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March 10, 2016

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Hello everyone

l’m currently overseas in the sunny and tropicale locale of Pulau Pinang otherwise known as Penang Island. It is very hot.

I was going to go parasailing today, but lying on the couch seemed like a better idea. Maybe tomorrow.

Anyway, I just thought I’d start a new thread as the other one’s getting s tad long.  Feel free to talk amongst yourselves…

 

cheers

reb.

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  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 11, 2016 9:38 am

    Happy holiday, reb. I hope you are relaxed and comfortable, calm in mind and sensually satisfied.

    Don’t you worry about this place. The haters keep hatin’ and the masturbators masturbatin’. And that’s just my contribution.

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 11, 2016 9:38 am

    Actually I’m bored of politics. The world needs more reggae.

  3. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 10:22 am

    Actually I’m bored of politics.

    Seems a lot of rwdb’s are these days. It’s perplexing 😉

  4. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 10:24 am

    Perhaps this is why so many are “bored” with politics?

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/what-a-web-they-weave?utm_term=.edGmwJ20w#.moG89xmo9

  5. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2016 10:28 am

    I’m sick and tired of hearing about this.
    Doe this guy think her has some sort of “ownership” over his ex-wife and who she chooses to see.

    Grow a set you wimp

    She’s your EX WIFE.

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 11, 2016 10:49 am

    Tom R, I think politics now is not quite the same high-speed trainwreck under R/G/R/A. More like a slow dance of the dead with Turnbull and Shorten spewing mealy-mouthed platitudes without saying much.

  7. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 11:02 am

    high-speed trainwreck

    lol

    Yet the policies we are still talking about, NBN, Gonski, Carbon Price, yea, that came from a “train wreck”?

    And you wait until the election is called, and Labor starts running the ads detailing just what malcayman did to the NBN

    Yes, Labor had massive turmoil going on, but the difference is, they still provided good Governance, not like this mob, who seem heel bent on mutual destruction, and don’t seem to care who goes down with them.

  8. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 11:15 am

    And you want to see a train wreck, look no further than one of the few things this mob actually did

    Multibillion-dollar federal funding cuts to Victoria’s health system over the next decade equate to closing down two major institutions, like the Royal Melbourne Hospital which employs about 9000 people, state government officials say.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/federal-health-funding-cuts-equivalent-to-closing-two-major-victorian-hospitals-20151104-gkqpac.html#ixzz42Y5KYmZS
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  9. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 11:38 am

    I’m still trying to figure out what policy trainwreck there was – a leadership bloodletting sure, but trainwreck?

    Gillard actually did stuff despite Abbott … and Abbott didn’t do stuff because his stuff was shite!

    It still is shite … wrapped in a golden glow gleaned from Milkum TurnAbbout’s smirk …

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 11:58 am

    liars … cheaters … deceivers … hypocrites all …

    Gawd save us … ’cause the Liberal Party won’t …

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/11/bronwyn-bishop-endorses-account-that-abbott-office-overruled-choppergate-apology

    Proofs in the pudding!

  11. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 12:09 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out what policy trainwreck there was

    It’s just vacuous repetition of vacuous msm memes, no figuring taken into account 😉

  12. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2016 12:15 pm

    Yet the policies we are still talking about, NBN, Gonski,

    Too funny. Labor just has to announce something for Labor supporters give nothing but praise. FTTP would never be finished. Why not give praise when Labor actually finishes something not announces something?

    Gillard actually did stuff despite Abbott

    Yep TB she certainly did. With your approval she locked up 8,000 children.

    Labor also sent unemployment from 4.3% to 5.8% very quickly. Budget was trashed. Unemployment was trashed. Everything was trashed.

    To say TB you are deluded is an understatement.

  13. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 12:38 pm

    lol

    I say “vacuous”, and look what appears 😉

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2016 12:46 pm

    I say “vacuous”, and look what appears

    And while i am at it this is what TB of QUEENSLAND, TomR, Reb, WAlrus and any deadbeat who voted for Rudd caused.

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report/2-onshore-detention-and

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]

    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides.[75]

    TomR every act of self harm in detention centers is your fault (and TB OF QUEENSLAND) because you restarted a problem John Howard had solved

  15. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 1:06 pm

    lols, malcayman the bully

    Malcolm Turnbull issues crossbench ultimatum: pass industrial relations bills or face double dissolution poll

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-11/malcolm-turnbull-issues-crossbench-ultimatum-on-dd-election/7238848

    he’s just full of hot air. Right at the bottom of the article, the loaded blank is revealed

    Labor has also questioned whether the Government is serious about asking for the Senate to reconsider its position, given the two bills are not listed on the notice paper.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  16. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2016 1:44 pm

    “And while i am at it this is what TB of QUEENSLAND, TomR, Reb, WAlrus and any deadbeat who voted for Rudd caused.”

    Oh NoS……….it is so difficult for us to be in the presence of someone so fucking perfect as you.

    I myself do find it difficult to fly like an eagle whilst in the company of penguins.

  17. March 11, 2016 1:54 pm

    Lol 🙂

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2016 2:01 pm

    .it is so difficult for us to be in the presence of someone so fucking perfect as you.

    Walrus you voted for Rudd. So you are responsible for all the damage Rudd did.

    What is worse lots of people want Labor back.

    I myself have some problems with voting for the Coalition.

    What is the difference between voting for Shorten or Turnbull?

  19. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 2:24 pm

    I myself have some problems

    That’s certainly apparent.

    What is the difference between voting for Shorten or Turnbull?

    I think it begins with FTT and ends in ski 🙂

  20. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2016 2:31 pm

    No. Both of them put their personal beliefs above what is best for Australia. And that is the first time i have ever said that about a leader of the Coalition.

    Labor supporters putting their personal beliefs above what is best for Australia is normal.

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 2:36 pm

    I myself do find it difficult to fly like an eagle whilst in the company of penguins.

    LOL! Bit of respect for the pigeons, wally … oh, penguins …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I heard the Cayman Islander in SA last night talking to that bastion of business bastardry the Chamber of Commerce …

    You’d think Milkum had just invented “innovation” FFS … pity he didn’t discover it when he became Communications Minister … or was that Minister for Innovative Destruction …

    The man’s a do nothing mouthing moron … GIGO …

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 2:38 pm

    … the first time i have ever said that about a leader of the Coalition.

    There’s more to come, neel …

    Word in the unis is that the Libs are going to allow more Russian scientist into Australia to lecture in Science Departments around the country …

  23. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2016 3:22 pm

    lol TB 🙂

    Poking the (Russian) bear there 😉

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 4:06 pm

    its true! TR! Honest!

  25. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2016 5:26 pm

    We should all be very scared…………very scared of the upcoming generations of uberstoopids………..

    http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sport/nrl/news/2016/3/photo-cronulla-sharks-nu-brown-put-mobile-phone-in-microwave-and-blows-up/

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 7:27 pm

    Time for a Royal Commission on the real crooks in business … The Robber Barons …

    A Perth father has accused the Commonwealth Bank of being immoral after it loaned his 20-year-old son $15,000 at 17.8 per cent interest despite his only needing $5500 for a car.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/cba-criticised-over-car-loan/news-story/011ad9a67c5691739f0439b6433b27e5

    In my lifetime I’ve had five major battles over this sort of bully tactics … including the Federal Government!

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 7:28 pm

    And this Robber Baron too!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/confusion-reigns-as-550-of-clive-palmers-queensland-nickel-workers-face-axe/news-story/c6e5ac54fe02d8ec26866f4fd6975c96?sv=5c1c90d7bb5d8b9576af3763a5344f25

    As a Queenslander all I can say is … Clive Palmer you’re an arsehole of an owner!

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 7:39 pm

    And I’ve just read an article that all 550 employees “will” be re-employed (or is that employed?)

    The heartache and pain of the employees and their families as he played them as pawns is truly disgusting and heartless …

    Many footballers (of all codes) are dumb twats with a lot of money … but there’s a lot of rich twats in business too … “let’s use nuclear bombs to extract iron ore”, said Gina …

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 11, 2016 8:36 pm

    ,i.l’m currently overseas in the sunny and tropicale locale of Pulau Pinang otherwise known as Penang Island. It is very hot.

    Again? Are you ever at work? 😆

    I’m sick and tired of hearing about this.
    Doe this guy think her has some sort of “ownership” over his ex-wife and who she chooses to see.

    Unfortunately, that’s exactly what they do think walrus.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2016 10:18 pm

    A new study showed men make the biggest profits, but women make more money for their clients

    Saw that on Drum last night (?), KL …

    Greens now find themselves in the position where they oppose the DD Bills, but may agree to pass Senate voting reform Libs *need* to call DD

    The Greens seem to have become more “right” since the change of leadership, KL … that’s all three “major” (?) parties …

    We do need a centre left leader somewhere!

  31. March 12, 2016 5:23 am

    Hello everyone,,,,,l`m currently overseas in the sunny and tropicale locale of Pulau Pinang otherwise known as Penang Island. It is very hot.

    I was going to go parasailing today, but lying on the couch seemed like a better idea. Maybe tomorrow.,,,,,#drunk.couch.potatoe:-)

    #some good news to read on the couch, enjoy`ya self:-)

    my.abc,,,,,Tony Windsor v Barnaby Joyce: Deputy PM says he’s ready for a fight

    One of the most senior members of the Turnbull Government, Barnaby Joyce, has said he is looking forward to the challenge posed by the re-emergence of long-time political rival Tony Windsor.

    Mr Windsor has announced his intention to run as a candidate in the seat of New England for the next election.

    Already the fierce political and strategic muscle flexing is playing out, after Mr Windsor travelled to Canberra for a well-publicised media conference to confirm his intentions, while Mr Joyce stationed himself in Tamworth’s main street for a media event pre-empting the outcome.,,,,

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-10/joyce-prepared-for-battle-against-windsor/7235642

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2016 1:02 pm

    Word in the unis is that the Libs are going to allow more Russian scientist into Australia to lecture in Science Departments around the country …

    That is most probably something Labor supporters would do. I have met more people who believe in open borders who vote Labor than vote Liberal.

    Science is the first profession with open borders. Some time ago the powers that be decided that English should be the language of science. And guess what? Every scientist from non-English speaking countries want a job in English speaking countries because they are nicer countries to live in and the pay is better.

    You may say why do people employ them? Well they area talented but they are willing to do things nobody in Australia would do. They will work for half wages.

    Apparently the white Australia policy was not entirely racist. Unions did not want Chinese because they would work for half wages and drive the wages of everybody else down. Substitute the Chinese for Russians and you have the same thing.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2016 1:33 pm

    TR? see? 😀

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2016 1:38 pm

    TR? see?

    Stupid comment from a man who locked up 8,000 kids.

    If Labor gets back in how long do you think it will take before we have 50000-100,000 boat people/year arriving at our shores?

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2016 1:42 pm

    The Trump rallies are looking more and more like a beer hall putsch …

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2016 1:43 pm

    Stupid comment from a man who locked up 8,000 kids.

    Why is it stupid?

  37. Narratonic Scale permalink
    March 12, 2016 2:11 pm

    The world needs more reggae.

    Ja(h).

    At the moment, German citizens are hearing much about possible political alliances that bring the colors of the national flags of Kenya, Jamaica and, yes, even Germany to mind.”

  38. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2016 5:45 pm

    TR? see?

    да ТБ я видел , что ; )

  39. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2016 5:46 pm

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2016 7:19 pm

    да ТБ я видел , что

    Cleverarse … 🙂

    Интересно, если Неель может читать по-русски

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2016 8:44 pm

    The dog always tickles

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2016/mar/11/surely-we-have-to-take-some-responsibility-for-electing-this-giant-man-baby

    …wellsy32 6h ago

    Sorry but I barely got a chuckle out of this diagram; too close to the actual truth to be funny. To think that two and a half years’ of Tory ‘government’ can be represented by a diagram drawn in an afternoon?

    Now we have a clown who could talk under wet cement with a mouthful of marbles, telling us he is eggsarted over and over again.

    What has happened to this country?

    YouthWasted wellsy32 6h ago

    Eggsarted.

    Egsarlent.

    CoinneachOdhars YouthWasted 3h ago

    Air hair lair to you old bean.

    …LewisWinders 22h ago

    “Giant man baby”. Hee hee.

    Hee hee hee hee hee.

    Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee…

  42. Tony permalink
    March 12, 2016 8:46 pm

    “The world needs more reggae.”

    Or less.

  43. March 12, 2016 9:07 pm

    Or some rehab.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2016 9:21 pm

    That is not only brilliant, KL, but fkn TRUE!

    And the Libs ranted (and still do) about R/G/R … hypocrites all!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    I just re watched the 4 Corners story again on the Comm Health debacle … the James Hardy of banks …!

    The CEO not once said he would investigate or immediately look into the process/problem/procedure/ he just said “sorry” and I’ll talk to the complainants personally …

    ALL of ’em Mr Narev! Or just those on the show! There’s too many!

    Shareholders should be leaving this UNETHICAL organisation by the droves with what as been revealed … but the greedy wannabe Robber Barons won’t … and then eventually they’ll wonder why they are in the back of the tumbril … “I didn’t do anything” 😮 …

    The Group’s statutory net profit after tax (NPAT) for the half year ended 31 December 2015 was $4,618 million, which represents a 2 per cent increase on the prior comparative period. Cash (NPAT) was $4,804 million, an increase of 4 per cent on the prior comparative period. Cash Return on Equity was 17.2 per cent.

    The Board declared an interim dividend of $1.98 per share – unchanged from the 2015 interim dividend.

    I have one simple message RESIGN NAREV …

    His upbringing and life experiences didn’t make him a better man it made him a heartless banker!

    Narewczewitz was once the family name. His parents, Freda and Robert, are Jewish Holocaust survivors who met in New Zealand after World War II. Narev, in turn, faced personal loss when his wife died from breast cancer in 2003. He remarried in 2007.

    Either he doesn’t know what’s happening or doesn’t care … either way he needs to RESIGN!

    The CEO of VW in Germany resigned … the CEO of VW USA resigned for cheating over cars!

    This guy is residing over people’s lives and waffles more than Milkum TurnAbbout!

    And thinks we believe him … ?

    He couldn’t give a shit!

    RC on unions?

    If this doesn’t trigger a RC on Financial Services … then we have a massive problem in this country that TurnAbbout will ignore or can’t handle … the emperor has no clothes!

  45. March 12, 2016 9:26 pm

    “As a Queenslander all I can say is … Clive Palmer you’re an arsehole of an owner!”

    Is that the same “Go Clivey” Clive palmer you used to barrack for when he was a gadfly to the coalition government? I thought so.

    #blowwiththewind

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2016 10:24 pm

    Is that the same “Go Clivey” Clive palmer you used to barrack for

    You never did understand sarcasm, irony or cynicism, ToSY … do you really think I would support one of Joh Bjelke Peterson’s, Gold Coast White Shoe Brigade?

    Silly boy … 😀

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2016 10:25 pm

    #blowwiththewind

    right up yer arse! Sunshine!

  48. March 12, 2016 10:32 pm

    #rewritehistory

    #fuckwit

  49. March 12, 2016 10:42 pm

    Hugh Ramsay, Self Portrait in White Jacket, 1902.

    http://content.ngv.vic.gov.au/retrieve.php?size=1280&type=image&vernonID=70432

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2016 12:08 am

    #fuckwit

    I think you meant Fuckwit©

    Just sayin’ …

    #keepontrollin’

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 13, 2016 10:08 am

    You get to read one free article each week, this one is well worth it.

    The rich people who pay no tax
    MIKE SECCOMBE
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/03/12/the-rich-people-who-pay-no-tax/14577012002989

    Lost in the tax debate are the billions hidden in the cash economy, and the complex systems concealing the incomes of the very rich..

    …Another option, if the government is to address the widening gap between its revenue and expenditure, what it used to call the “debt and deficit disaster”, is to get serious about taxing capital. Shifting the tax focus from income to wealth.

    Australia’s tax system is very gentle with wealth…

    …Let’s start with outright tax evasion. This is what makes a lot of small business people – the tradie who’ll do it cheaper for cash, the fish shop owner who won’t accept credit cards – very rich.

    “The cash economy taskforce estimates it to be worth about $10 billion,” says Ann O’Connell, director of tax studies at Melbourne Law School.

    Other estimates suggest it is much bigger than that. One credible proposition suggests 14 or 15 per cent of the whole economy is black.

    The introduction of the GST by the Howard government was supposed to curtail the cash economy but has actually served to foster it, O’Connell says.

    Dale Boccabella, of the school of taxation and business law at the University of New South Wales, agrees. Now theses dodgers evade both income tax and GST.

    “The main area is the provision of services to the household sector,” he says. “And try as hard as they do, the ATO has limited capacity to make inroads.”

    The aspect of it that particularly nettles Boccabella is the “complete deafening silence” on the part of politicians about widespread tax evasion in the small business sector. He contrasts this with the strong criticism of the tax practices of large corporates and multinationals. But small business is a bigger problem, he says…

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 13, 2016 11:48 am

    More readings: three free articles per month [you can get more by tweaking your computer]

    Editor’s Note March 2016
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/nick-feik/2016/01/2016/1456750800/editor-s-note-march-2016

    …In 2014, Malcolm Turnbull said Australia’s tax system was “too tough on people earning income, i.e. the entrepreneurs, the people who are growing and driving, younger people in jobs, working hard, making money in their businesses. It is too tough on them. But it is incredibly concessional to older people who have made their money.”…

    …Right now, the danger for Turnbull is that he risks becoming better known for selling out his beliefs than acting on them…

    DIABOLICAL
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/december/1448888400/robert-manne/diabolical

    …Unless by some miracle almost every climate scientist is wrong, future generations will look upon ours with puzzlement and anger – as the people who might have prevented the Earth from becoming a habitat unfriendly to humans and other species but nonetheless failed to act.
    One hundred and twenty years have passed since the Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius discovered the basic cause of global warming…

    Pell and damnation
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/mungo-maccallum/2016/22/2016/1456105762/pell-and-damnation

    Germ welfare
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2016/march/1456750800/karen-hitchcock/germ-welfare

    Public health and personal responsibility..

    …To catch a respiratory or gastroenterological virus you need to let it into your body. It can’t pass through skin; its portals to your guts and lungs are the mucus membranes of your major public orifices (mouth, nose, eyes). Inhale a sick person’s breath and you’re a goner. Same if you touch a “fomite” (an object they’ve touched) and then put your finger to one of your portals. Air breathed by someone with the measles virus remains contaminated for two hours after they’ve left the room. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends keeping a distance of 6 feet between yourself and a person with a cold. Try following that advice in a peak-hour train mid winter. CDC also recommends that sick people wear surgical masks in public, to protect those around them, “if tolerable”…

    If you go into a hospital for treatment here it’s deemed as ‘safe’ a 3 foot distance between patients [although some need complete isolation] and then of course there are those ‘magic’ non-porous curtains!

    http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body.aspx

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 13, 2016 12:20 pm

  54. March 13, 2016 1:37 pm

    TB,,,,,,I just re watched the 4 Corners story,,,,,,

    # ,, tell me again how great it was to privatise witchbank and have them focused on cheating the policy holders of comm-insurance and targeting pensioner depositors in a predatory manner instead of remaining in citizens hands and working for citizens benefit? ,, #teabags

    moon.dog,,,,,There is no evidence they were doing it to each other even though they were certainly doing it to the nation. lt`s all a bit grubby and accordingly we need someone to blame,,,,,,

    # ,, fitting in so many ways nowadays

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 13, 2016 1:56 pm

    reb, reporter at large [still] 😆

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2016 1:59 pm

    I’m in KL but I haven’t been arrested yet..

    You’re obviously not a journalist … or not trying hard enough … I’d check you’re phrasing carefully …

    Having fun I hope! 😀

  57. March 13, 2016 2:19 pm

    Just waiting at the airport waiting to catch the flight back to Melbourne…

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2016 2:30 pm

    Donald Trump is about as appealing as Clive Palmer.

  59. March 13, 2016 2:32 pm

    Hey armchair, l notice ya`reading-up on germ warfare. l suggest you watch the documentary on super-bugs/food (probably-sbs) next time its on. Modern farming (cattle and pigs) is feeding stock penicillin and gm-corn to fatten them faster, resulting in stock producing super-e.coli and other super-bugs that resist penicillin. lt shows the whole absurd chain of events, feed-lot e.coli rich run-off into streams and rivers, which the water is drawn and sprayed on crops (spinach out-breaks and recalls) down-stream, the use of bleach in the slaughter house to treat meat contaminated when intestines are nicked and contents flow onto the meat during butchering. Filthy pens and feed-lots cause stock illness, so fed even more antibiotics. Cattle which are `grass-eaters` being fed corn, which also ramps-up super-bug production in gut, so fed more antibiotics or/and chemicals. lt`s really a crazy cycle.

  60. March 13, 2016 2:46 pm

    You should be loving Clive, he gets to live your wet-dream and sack a heap of blue-collars.

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2016 2:59 pm

    Why come back to Melbourne?

    Brisbane has the humidity of Malaysia, but with the added benefit of Queenslanders

  62. March 13, 2016 3:36 pm

    facing,,,,,,outbreaks of viruses whose names still make us tremble: Ebola or Zika. Rejecting measures that protect the greater community from headline horrors wouldn`t be framed as `alternative` or `freedom of choice`,,,,,,#sars?

    # ,, my bet is despite the best efforts of the anti-vax imbecile herd, natural occurring bugs will still be a long way down the list of causing extinction-like event, much more likely efficient channels of distribution, denial and cover-up by greed-fueled imbecile herd will get there first

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 13, 2016 6:01 pm

    Sleeping with the enemy.

    Richard Di Natale under pressure over Greens-Coalition deal on Senate voting changes
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/richard-di-natale-under-pressure-over-greenscoalition-deal-on-senate-voting-changes-20160301-gn7gue.html#ixzz42lMxCahC

    …Greens leader Richard Di Natale is under pressure from within his own party, the union movement and the party’s supporter base not to allow the Turnbull government to run to a double dissolution election on the back of controversial Senate voting changes which could wipe out the crossbench.
    Greens senators are unanimous in their support for voting reforms, which have been a long-held ambition for the party since the Bob Brown era, but some senators are worried at the prospect of a double dissolution…

    …He has stated that the Greens would not do anything to actively facilitate a double dissolution but will back voting reforms no matter what the electoral fall out for the party.
    On Tuesday, his office said there was no change to that position.
    Unions have been registering their displeasure with the Greens amid talk of direct threats to withdraw funding to the Greens. A double dissolution election would likely clear the way for the return of the Australian Building and Construction Commission and unions also fear a potential Coalition majority and the return of policies like WorkChoices…

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2016 6:04 pm

    … but with the added benefit of Queenslanders …

    Absofknlutely!

    Some of have experienced Melbourne w-w-w-w-w-w-weather … raincoat, sunscream! … overcoat, shorts, umbrella, trackies, sandals, wellies (ask sreb) … all in an hour!

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2016 6:10 pm

    KL, re Greens … but will back voting reforms no matter what the electoral fall out for the party.

    How short the political memory! At least the Democrats tried to “keep the bastards honest” …

    Di Natali is beginning to look more like, Di Snake in De Grass ..

    An “upwardly mobile” lad with lots of degrees and an urge to excel! (at all costs … it would seem)

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2016 6:11 pm

    Oh, and Di Natale is a catlyk … always helpful in Canberra politics … y’know lies, deceit, cheating … the usual …

    And fuck the folk …

  67. Tony permalink
    March 13, 2016 8:40 pm

    Jeez, he’s part of the evil 25%, then? (One out of four people you meet every day is “catlyk”, you fucking bigot!)

    “The 2011 census identified that 61.1% of Australians classify themselves Christian: 25.3% identifying themselves as Catholic.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Australia#Demographics

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2016 11:17 pm

    Ahhh ToSY … but 52% of pollies are catlyk – over represented IMO … should be 25.1 (and .2 “other catlyk” – whatever that is)

    I too have a link to the CIA … 😀

    Just sayin’

    #keepontrollin’

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 14, 2016 1:46 am

    … but 52% of pollies are catlyk

    And how many of the pollies identify as christian eh?

    How many are male + white + christian?

    Or middle-aged + male+ wealthy + white + christian?

    Definite over representation I’d say 😉

    Even more reason to have reform of the voting process

    http://rightnow.org.au/artwork/political-representation-in-australia-how-representative-is-our-parliament/

    THERE IS NO DEAL
    http://greens.org.au/no-deal

  70. March 14, 2016 5:46 am

    network-7,,,,,,,,new-england POLL, windsor-52, bananasby-48,,,,,,,

    ,,,,,first teabumpkin leader to lose seat,,,,,#guffaw ,, #go.windsor

    # ,, l see tinfoil`osy is still blowing his bugle for the pedo-defending-catlick-camp ,, #yaaay.tinfoil`osy

  71. Neg Entropy permalink
    March 14, 2016 8:43 am

    lt`s really a crazy cycle.

    Shhh.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2016 8:46 am

    Yeah!
    And what a f***wit that Ed Husic is! He’s a MOOSLEM. He even talks about his religion as if it’s a good thing!!

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 14, 2016 10:11 am

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2016 11:03 am

    He even talks about his religion as if it’s a good thing!!

    And we know that NO religion is good, hey, ToM …

    … otherwise we would have peace and goodwill across the globe …

    … believe what you want but don’t foist your extreme religious ideas, thought bubbles and traditional beliefs on everyone else …

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2016 11:10 am

    Gee the pork barrel rolled out quickly …

    … and here I was thinking the Liberal Government (and its supplicants) told us there was no money left …

    Thy cup runneth over … $200 billion to go to war … $600,000 for a bridge … $40,000,000 A YEAR for 22 politicians retirement … and a new $670,000 office for the laugh a minute boss of a decaying political party …

    The Liberal Government did get it partly right it is SPENDING as well as INCOME that’s the problem …

    Infkncredible … someone should write a book TV series …

  76. March 14, 2016 11:20 am

    ls everybody else enjoying deputy-dog`s foaming at the mouth on TV as much as l am?:-)

    ,

    tinfoil`osy,,,,,part of the evil 25%, then? (One out of four people you meet every day is `catlyk`, you fucking bigot!),,,,,,

    # ,, that`s a sad story ,, and isn`t of much interest to me

  77. March 14, 2016 11:36 am

    teabag,,,,,He even talks about his religion as if it`s a good thing!!,,,,,

    # ,, know how ya`feel, definitely too much of that going on

    #go.clive

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 14, 2016 11:39 am

    PlayUp: PM Malcolm Turnbull got money out, staff missed super and pay
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/playup-pm-malcolm-turnbull-got-money-out-staff-missed-super-and-pay-20160309-gnf5xg#ixzz42piVXSZ6

    …Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and his family have retrieved some of their investment in a failed tech start-up as other wealthy and famous investors face losing $100 million, thanks to a deal struck with the company’s former chairman, ex-NSW Premier Nick Greiner.

    The former staff at PlayUp, a sports technology start-up, are owed at least $3.7 million with the company now in liquidation after former employees recently took winding-up action over wages and superannuation going unpaid in 2015 – at the same time a loan to Mr Turnbull and his son Alex Turnbull was being repaid with 12 per cent annual interest…

    Turnbull looks more dodgy than decisive these days:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-14/matthewson-turnbull-looks-more-dodgy-than-decisive-these-days/7243804

    …Unlikely senatorial hero, Ricky Muir, is on to Turnbull’s game, and has announced plans to bring forward the Senate vote on the ABCC legislation. If the Government is to honour its deal with the Greens not to debate the bill this week, it will have no choice other than to block Muir’s motion.

    That will be awkward considering how important Turnbull claims the ABCC to be. Additionally, Muir’s stunt may feed into voter concern that the PM is developing a habit of not being completely frank with us…

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 14, 2016 11:43 am

    … believe what you want but don’t foist your extreme religious ideas, thought bubbles and traditional beliefs on everyone else …

    Yes TB, you should take your own advice.

    Thy cup runneth over … $200 billion to go to war

    Australia certainly did not spend that much.

    $600,000 for a bridge

    sounds cheap

    $40,000,000 A YEAR for 22 politicians retirement

    And what did Hawke/Keating do about this? Defined benefit schemes for politicians were removed by Costello. But it will take years for this scheme to end. Apparently it was banned in 2004. Since then politicians have Super like the rest of us. But every politician who entered Parliament before 2004 will get a fully indexed pension for life when they leave Parliament

  80. March 14, 2016 12:04 pm

    Windsor knocking-off deputy-dog will unhinge the teabumpkins:-)

    my-abc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Joyce secured 46 per cent of the primary vote, compared to Mr Windsor’s 44 per cent. A calculation of expected preference flows pushed Mr Windsor ahead in the poll 52 points to 48,,,,,,,,,,

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-14/joyce-says-he's-the-'underdog'-in-fight-for-his-seat/7243846

  81. Better Fare permalink
    March 14, 2016 12:24 pm

    “Mr Joyce said New England voters would fare better with a senior Government representative lobbying for their interests, and would lose out if he was dumped. “It’s quite obvious, and a statement of the bleeding obvious, that from the office of the Deputy Prime Minister you’ve got a vastly better chance of getting through the important issues of New England, than as a backbencher in what will — for all intents and purposes — be the opposition,” he said.”

  82. March 14, 2016 12:33 pm

    greenz,,,,,,,,Fact: There is no preference deal with the Liberal Party. ,, ,, It is disappointing that Anthony Albanese and the Labor Party are spreading lies to scare progressive voters,,,,,,

    # ,, once again armchair, the `team` are spending lots of effort shitting in their own nest, instead of confronting the teabags, l suppose we can`t really expect any better from blib considering kevin07 ,, #dumb.fcuks

  83. March 14, 2016 1:14 pm

    (fcuking dragonista put an `oz` link that redirected to `subscribe`, which is pointless for my abc to do, so l dug this out of googl)

    afr,,,,,,Crossbench Senator Ricky Muir will move to weaken the government’s case for a double dissolution election this week by calling for an immediate debate and vote on the legislation to bring back the construction industry watchdog, the Australian Building and Construction Commission (ABCC).

    In consultation with the Greens, the government has cleared the three Senate sitting days for this week to debate and pass the rules which will reform Senate voting and stop microparty senators, such as Senator Muir, gaming the preference system to win spots.

    It is contemplating then holding a double dissolution election – which is a full Senate election and, due to the Senate reforms, would wipe out Senator Muir and six other microparty crossbenchers.,,,,,,

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/ricky-muir-to-call-malcolm-turnbulls-bluff-on-double-dissolution-drive-20160313-gnhqsz

    afr,,,,,,,When the Senate sits on Tuesday, Senator Muir, backed by other crossbenchers, will move a motion calling for the suspension of debate on the Senate voting reforms so the ABCC legislation can be debated and voted on.

    He said if the government blocks his motion, it cannot then legitimately accuse the Senate of refusing to deal with the ABCC legislation and then cite it as a trigger.,,,,,,

  84. March 14, 2016 1:39 pm

    There are some interesting things going on at the moment, Windsor returning to knock-off deputy-dog, interesting, dio wang wanting a federal icac, interesting, ricky muir trying to knock some more shine off talkbull, interesting, even clive`s nickel-troubles is interesting.

    # ,, interesting things don`t seem to include blib

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2016 2:56 pm

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and his family have retrieved some of their investment in a failed tech start-up as other wealthy and famous investors face losing $100 million, thanks to a deal struck with the company’s former chairman, ex-NSW Premier Nick Greiner

    This reeks of trading while insolvent … and employee entitlements now come before debtors – by law – so that’s in breach of the Companies Act …

    I wouldn’t expect TurnAbbout to understand morals, ethics or the law (he’s proven to be a dill) but surely his religious upbringing would have told him it was wrong …?

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2016 3:08 pm

    … even clive`s nickel-troubles is interesting.

    Not for 550 workers and their families …

    Go Clivey! Please!

    And that reminds me … ToSY …

    … just to prove a point.

    The comment below is unedited and unadulterated in any way … the “Please!” Is significant to the meaning of my sentiment …

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    TB Queensland permalink

    November 12, 2014 6:27 pm

    Yes, funny about that.

    Why don’t you, dicks, ever get sarcasm? ? ? ? 🙄

    Clivey’s been overshadowed by a sheepish little lass from Tassie … 🙂

    Go Clivey! Please!

    Just sayin’

    #keepontrollin’

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2016 9:11 pm

    ROBBER BARONS busily AT WORK

    STUDENTS have warned the government that slugging them with extra fees could have dire effects on universities, as well as Malcolm Turnbull’s popularity.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/student-union-representatives-warn-government-against-hiking-up-uni-fees/news-story/83287d896d0a2a25f9557d84956d22f6?sv=700bba32f52cf39d76255bbb5db0e7bb

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Milkum TurnAbbouut is held in thrall to the EXTREME RIGHT WING of the Liberal Party … an equivalent to the British Conservative Party who uphold the “values” of the 1930 Downton Abby TV show (and the unusually – read right out of true character – caring conservative family) … this was the period of 9 year olds working in mines and factories FFS! Where’s that TV series …?

    I shudder every time I’ve visited the “stately homes” – especially in Yorkshire – the opulence and indulgence is insulting … to ordinary folk …

    And just remember … the emperor has no clothes …

    As a child I was taught that Caesar was “hero” then I read the real history about how he destroyed Rome’s Republic …

    TurnAbbout destroyed Australia’s Republic … and its INNOVATIVE NBN …

    Speaking of whom … whatever happened to the “face of innovation”? Wyatt Roy? AFP investigation?

  88. March 14, 2016 9:45 pm

    “The comment below is unedited and unadulterated in any way … the “Please!” Is significant to the meaning of my sentiment …”

    Duck and weave! Why don’t you link to all the comments before that where you didn’t add the “significant” “Please” on the end.

    #bullshitartist

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2016 10:18 pm

    Why don’t you link to all the comments before that where you didn’t add the “significant”

    YOU link ’em … you’re the one bitching …

    FMD, ToSY you’ve got it bad!

    “Clivey” also tells intelligent people that I was having ago! I din’t refer to Mr Palmer, or Clive Palmer, nah … Clivey … ya know old fuckwit Clivey! You show ’em luvvie!

    That was TWO fkn years ago! Get a life, or see a psychiatrist!

    Keep trying to “entrap” me at your peril … I remember a silly bear wot tried that …

    I do confess that I made a conscious choice to play here with all the misfits … rather than suffer the nonsense and hypocrisy of AIMN … but sometimes I wonder why …

    Organised religion is a classic case of good men and women doing nothing – while evil exists … sorry to upset the apple cart you were forced to endure as a child …

    … I told ’em to fuck off! At nine I was a bit more polite – actually I tried to avoid a good hiding – but still copped shit! So guess wot?

    The troof hurts, hey?

    And where’s the intelligence of, toylet, these days! Miss ya mate!

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2016 10:19 pm

    #keepontrollin’ … chuckle 😀

  91. March 14, 2016 10:39 pm

    “The troof hurts, hey?”

    People who’ve been here for a while know who’s telling the truth. I’ll let them decide.

  92. λόγος permalink
    March 15, 2016 12:15 am

    People decide?

  93. March 15, 2016 12:28 am

    TB,,,,,conscious choice to play here with all the misfits,,,,,

    # ,, congratulations, wish granted it seems ,, l think you`ll find tinfoil`osy is another `cubicle-dweller` with little life experience or understanding outside his own bubble, hence he is usually `reduced` to picture spamming, pedo-club defending and sniping from the sideline, instead of discussing `any` of the many topics/links that are on the page.

    #go.clive

    # ,, my abc `business` had a good report on the nbn tonight teebz (iview) ,, in short, all the fiber to user/rudd roll-out is correct as me/you/nickross have said, will be behind rest of world under copper-class ,, already wasted heap$ mangling tech for politics ,, privatization will incur `entrenching` the money lost, the hodge-podge will be lucky to be able to raise 27-bill tho the cost is 56-bill, pushed out by the teabags ,, another reason why Windsor returned too, national interest of nbn

  94. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 7:13 am

    Looks like the Greens have the Unions offside big time

    Unions are threatening to campaign against the Greens and withhold financial support if its deal with the Turnbull government for Senate voting changes leads to the return of the Australian Building and Construction Commission.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/unions-lash-greens-over-senate-deal-20160314-gnij3z?btis#ixzz42uSCcGHr
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    And Adam Bandt reveals just how much he and his party exist within their own reality

    “Any union worried about the next Senate should be saving their criticism for conservative parties and independents who are prepared to vote to attack workers’ rights,” he said.

    Yea, do a secret deal with the libs, and then just blame then for outcome. Really adam?

    It is reminiscent of their holier than though positions on an ETS and the Malaysian solution, that has ended up with us having no ETS and torture camps on remote islands, and the Greens sitting there on their Lilly white pedestal pointing fingers at everyone but themselves, like they had no hand in the outcome.

    We have already seen some major flaws in the initial deal the Greens were going to rush through fixed up by Labors opposition. What else is there that they have missed?

    I’m also bemused as to how we have a plebiscite for a Marriage equality bill, but major changes to our voting system are just pushed through with private back room deals and little to no oversight.

    It seems all back to front to me.

  95. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:40 am

    “I shudder every time I’ve visited the “stately homes” – especially in Yorkshire – the opulence and indulgence is insulting … to ordinary folk … ”

    Yeah just like the Palace of Versailles, the castles of Europe, the Emperors Palace in Tokyo, the King of Thailand’s Palace, the mansions of Bel Air, the mansions of Point Piper and Toorak

    OH MY DOG………..rich people………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh……….!

    I suggest you build a bridge someday and just……GOY……………that means get over yourself

    Just because you choose to be Mr Average does not mean the rest of us should be

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:52 am

    “Clivey” also tells intelligent people that I was having ago!

    Never occurred to me. I just assumed you supported Palmer because he was not a professional politician and appeared to be anti-Abbott. If you were being sarcastic it never clicked with me and i doubt anyone else

    It is reminiscent of their holier than though positions on an ETS and the Malaysian solution, that has ended up with us having no ETS and torture camps on remote islands

    It is comments like that which makes me believe that Labor supporters are deluded. Sending 800 boat people to Malaysia and taking 4,000 in return is not a solution. Like most ALP policies it would make the problem worse.

  97. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:56 am

    “I just assumed you supported Palmer because he was not a professional politician and appeared to be anti-Abbott. If you were being sarcastic it never clicked with me and i doubt anyone else……”

    Yep !!!!!!!!!

    I think someone has already said……………

    “People who’ve been here for a while know who’s telling the truth. I’ll let them decide.”

  98. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:56 am

    Like most ALP policies it would make the problem worse.

    That wasn’t the initial outcome.

    More questions on voting reform. Why the mad rush for such an important piece of legislation?

    Proposed Senate voting changes could lead to increase in ‘exhausted’ votes: experts

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-15/senate-voting-changes-will-increase-exhausted-votes-experts/7245828

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:58 am

    “The Trump rallies are looking more and more like a beer hall putsch … “

    Of course they do. Rabid leftist Brownshirts rain down violence to disrupt Trump. Sanders supporters are a bunch of Soros-funded goons.

    And of course if you are really stupid leftist then, obviously, it is all Trump’s fault.

  100. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 10:07 am

    I’ll let them decide.

    Yep, and from memory, any “alleged” support for clivey was along the lines of “fuck ’em all”

    Not sure if others recall it differently? 😉

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 10:24 am

    “I just assumed you supported Palmer because he was not a professional politician and appeared to be anti-Abbott. If you were being sarcastic it never clicked with me and i doubt anyone else……”

    Yep !!!!!!!!!

    I think someone has already said……………

    “People who’ve been here for a while know who’s telling the truth. I’ll let them decide.”

    Did I mention “intelligent” people?

    OH MY DOG………..rich people………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I did mention “intelligent” people …

    I don’t mind rich people … I actually know a couple … and most of my family and friends are “comfortable” …

    It’s the people who become rich at the expense of other people and the society that helped them get there … and there is still a lot of ’em around …

    1% of the population have how much of the nation’s wealth again?

    I suggest you build a bridge someday and just……GOY……………that means get over yourself

    More appropriate in reverse methinks … you need to defend excesses – I don’t … you need to defend greed – I don’t … you need to defend arrogance – I don’t … you need to defend NSW State of Origin record – I don’t …

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 10:32 am

    The Sturmabteilung (SA; German pronunciation: [ˈʃtʊɐ̯mʔapˌtaɪlʊŋ] ( listen); literally “Storm Detachment”) functioned as the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party.

    It played a significant role in Adolf Hitler’s rise to power in the 1920s and 1930s. Their primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties, especially the Red Front Fighters League of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), and intimidating Slavic and Romani citizens, unionists, and Jews – for instance, during the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses.

    The SA have been known in contemporary times as “Brownshirts” from the color of their uniform shirts, similar to Benito Mussolini’s blackshirts

    “Leftist Brownshirts”?

    LOL! How to twist a tale … or is it just the ignorance of modern “journalists” or the twisting of history by the right?

    And just who threw the first punch I wonder … a populist wannabe extreme right wing POTUS candidate’s supporter … or those protesting his right wing claptrap … ?

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 10:54 am

    And I certainly wouldn’t want to defend Donald Trump!

    Stanton took aim at Trump’s polarising position on immigrants, Muslims and refugees and accused him of inciting violence at his rallies.

    “I’ve watched you retweet racist images. I’ve watched you retweet racist lies. I’ve watched you take 48 hours to disavow white supremacy,” Stanton wrote.

    “I’ve watched you joyfully encourage violence, and promise to ‘pay the legal fees’ of those who commit violence on your behalf. I’ve watched you advocate the use of torture and the murder of terrorists’ families. I’ve watched you gleefully tell stories of executing Muslims with bullets dipped in pig blood. I’ve watched you compare refugees to ‘snakes,’ and claim that ‘Islam hates us’.”

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/humans-of-new-york-founder-pens-powerful-open-letter-to-trump-the-hateful-one-is-you/news-story/26aba51bfd9b9ea6a760267e1757e6f4

    Go Donny! Please!

  104. March 15, 2016 10:59 am

  105. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2016 11:33 am

    “I’ve watched you joyfully encourage violence, and promise to ‘pay the legal fees’ of those who commit violence on your behalf. I’ve watched you advocate the use of torture and the murder of terrorists’ families. I’ve watched you gleefully tell stories of executing Muslims with bullets dipped in pig blood. I’ve watched you compare refugees to ‘snakes,’ and claim that ‘Islam hates us’.”

    Besides getting a bit exagerated (especially the snake bit if that’s what he did say) he’s quite appealing

    “……..and claim that ‘Islam hates us’.”……….”

    That’s pretty much right as well.

    On September 11 2002 I was on a Nile cruise ship in Aswan waiting to depart whilst a replay of the 9/11 attack exactly 1 year earlier was on a giant TV screen.

    It was extremely disturbing to watch EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Arabic crew scream with joy and break out in laughter as each plane smashed into the WT Towers.

  106. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 11:34 am

    the twisting of history by the right?

    Hand that man a cigar 😉

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 15, 2016 11:39 am

    I’m also bemused as to how we have a plebiscite for a Marriage equality bill, but major changes to our voting system are just pushed through with private back room deals and little to no oversight.

    I’m not bemused by that tomR, I’m annoyed by it, so much of our so-called democracy is a stitch up and fait accompli presented to the voters because of done deals behind closed doors amongst the political parties and lobby groups. That seems to be how our political system works these days.

    The Greens are happy to wear the blame, it’s only labor crying foul because it is something they don’t want to get up [how much of their preferences get the seat warmers, faction warriors/faction deals in?]

    We’ve had cosy self-interested stitch-ups between labor & liberal for years and are just expected to cop it sweet when so much more should be done to benefit the suckers voters [federal ICAC, civil liberties, security].

    I’ve thought long & hard about the issue and changed my mind so many times, but throughout it all, I come back to voters deciding where their preferences should go is a good thing. The system shouldn’t be so complicated and lengthy that the easy and lazy option for the voter is to vote above the line where the secret deals for preferences are made in the interests of the major parties. that’s the reason we have so many dud politicians on both sides where you wonder who could possibly vote for them [joe bullock, cory bernardi, eric abetz]. Never mind that females are often put into the non-winning positions while the duds get promoted into assured places.

    Anything that puts the votes and preferences in the hands of the voters is the right thing to do and yes, I will always look for the best principle of the thing and preference harvesting + setting up minor parties every election cycle purely to feed votes back to yourself is unprincipled, cynical, manipulative practice.

    I’m still in favour of it!

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 11:44 am

    I come back to voters deciding where their preferences should go is a good thing.

    Me too BUT … my understanding is that if you vote above the line as 99% of voters will do … you cannot vote below the line and vice versa!

    I don’t mind the weirdos getting up it keeps the majors on their toes … and what sort of democracy is two major parties (well, one coalition) and a wannabe greens … ?

    The system we have at the moment is crude but effective …

  109. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 11:53 am

    I come back to voters deciding where their preferences should go is a good thing

    I don’t disagree with that at all AO. But, I also agree that, when changing it, make sure it is right, else, it is better to keep it as it is.

    As the link above shows, this new system will introduce just a different set of problems. Fix it right, and especially don’t rush it through just to suit the libs timeframe.

    And no, the greens are never happy to wear the blame. Like all political parties, it’s everyone elses fault.

    I don’t mind the weirdos getting up it keeps the majors on their toes

    Exactly, it worked during Gilllards time, and it has worked now with Muir etal

    They are unrepresentative swill, but, our pollies need something like that to keep us in check

    Something along the lines of it is easier to fool 1,000 Athenians than it is to fool one Spartan King (or wtte)

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 15, 2016 11:56 am

    Me too BUT … my understanding is that if you vote above the line as 99% of voters will do … you cannot vote below the line and vice versa!

    I always vote below the line. Anyone can vote BTL but people are put off even more by table cloth sized BTL spread sheets and numbering 100+ candidates who are mostly made up of ‘party for a day’ crop ups, deliberately designed to feed votes into the majors. That kind of cheating is simply taking the electorate for mugs.

    Now people will be able to vote above the line and still choose where their preferences go.

  111. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 11:58 am

  112. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 12:00 pm

    Now people will be able to vote above the line and still choose where their preferences go.

    But what if they don’t care, they only want to pick the one party and be done with it?

    That seems to be where this latest issue arises.

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2016 12:10 pm

    I don’t mind the weirdos getting up it keeps the majors on their toes

    That is another reason why i thought you supported Clivey

  114. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 12:13 pm

  115. March 15, 2016 12:13 pm

    “”The system we have at the moment is crude but effective …””

    I’m not so convinced.

    The system we have is rotten to the core, and is heading in the same direction as the Tory rule in the UK where those who have in entrenched wealth are the ones pulling the strings.

    Large corporations fund the parties that protect their interests. And then those elected toadies simply pander to those corporations who funded their election campaigns.

    I don’t “buy” the “argument” that there isn’t enough money to fund a decent health and education system for all.

    It’s a furphy that’s been propagated by the Tories for decades now and has simply allowed to be left unchallenged.

    Funny how there’s never enough money to prop up the hospital system, but they can always find tens of billions for defence, even in the wake of their so-called “budget emergency” – another great lie foisted on a gullible public and acquiescent media.

    In fact the system we have here isn’t too dissimilar to the political systems that our so-called “elected leaders” criticise in Asia.

    The only difference is the amount of $$$ involved in the corruption.

    In Malaysia, PM Najib is sacking Ministers who pose a threat to his leadership. In Australia our PM gives them plush jobs in the US or as envoy to the UN.

    The end result is the same, simply get them out of the way.

    And now we have the Greens making deals with the Libs, a prospect that would’ve been anathema just a few years ago.

    The reality is that there are very few politicians in “the system” who are actually interested in what’s best for the country and its citizens.

    The vast majority are in it for themselves and the post parliamentary lucrative entitlements.

    The rot needs to stop, and it needs to stop at the top. But given that they’re responsible for setting their own remuneration, we’re unlikely to see anything like that happening in the foreseeable future.

    No, the only thing that will force a change is a mass revolution, and given that most ppl are too busy numbing what’s left of their senses with episodes of The Bachelorette, MKY and Home Away, that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon.

  116. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2016 12:21 pm

    “That is another reason why i thought you supported Clivey”

    I actually thought he related to Clive’s love for Dinosaurs

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 15, 2016 12:31 pm

    So the ABCC is responsible for investigating workplace fatalities?

  118. March 15, 2016 12:35 pm

    blib has turned-up to bore the press club, suck it up toolman

  119. March 15, 2016 12:38 pm

    blib just claimed ,,,,,he`s setting the agenda,,,,,,#ROFL

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 12:43 pm

    Well said, sreb! Hear! Hear!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I much prefer training walruses …

  121. March 15, 2016 12:51 pm

    reb,,,,,most ppl are too busy numbing what’s left of their senses with episodes of,,,,,

    # ,, l agree with the rest of your (great)rant reb, except this bit about the punters, ever since TV`s have had `remote-controls`, once boof-head politicians start waffling circular nonsense, they don`t even last 2-minutes before the viewer hits the remote for another channel, and the politicians know this, so l reckon it`s the waffling politicians fault, not the viewers

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 15, 2016 1:09 pm

    I agree reb. Our system is rotten to the core and has been for far too long, the voters have been held hostage to the collusion and corruption in the system. Of course there’s money for health and education etc, that’s why we pay our taxes. We don’t pay taxes to support rent seeking private enterprise in a trickle up economic redistribution by stealth or to support the lifestyle of the political class. We don’t pay tax to support private health and education either, that’s supposed to be paid for by the user. We don’t pay tax so religion can get a free ride, we should have the government provide our services without the piety and the sermons.

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 15, 2016 1:26 pm

    I think the proposed changes to Senate voting are fine.

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 15, 2016 1:55 pm

    What is the history? Hitler’s national socialists went about violently disrupting events they didn’t like. Now Sander’s socialists go about violently disrupting political events they don’t like.

    Leftists are such dumb cunts – too stupid to argue with people so they have to go and shout down and intimidate people they don’t like. And then they blame the victims of their fascist hate tactics.

  125. March 15, 2016 2:00 pm

    This is The Greens today…

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  126. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 15, 2016 2:08 pm

    I get it KL. We pay our taxes so leftist mongrels can colonise the ABC and use it for their propaganda and we pay our taxes so leftist deadshit deadenders can infest the schools and indoctrinate kids with leftist filth and we pay our taxes so that society can be taken over by government funded leftist arsewipes hell bent on dividing society into competing interest groups.

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 15, 2016 2:50 pm

    We pay our taxes so the government will provide us with services sb. We’ve only lost out since the services that were previously provided by government have been sold off to private enterprise who privatise their profits and socialise their losses, all with the acceptance of the government. We’re just the mugs who pay for it. The taxpayer’s have their taxes forcibly removed from them to supposedly fund necessary services for the good of the nation. Over decades the service is paid for and becomes a community owned asset and everyone is happy, then it gets sold off to business for private profit for next to nothing and the taxpayer [who already owned it remember] as consumer is now paying more and more for services that they previously owned.

    That is how the NBN will go too.

    The problem is ideology – who the government want to ‘gift’ their mates with our money, just a different set of rent seekers whichever political party is in power.

    Do we really need to sink enormous sums into defence and does defence need to outsource to private enterprise? How many politicians end up owning shares in the companies that they gift millions and billions of our funding to, how many go straight from politics to the boards of these companies? Let’s not forget the peculiar rent seeking of our squattocracy where socialising losses and privatising profits is the MO.

    This is The Greens today…

    Wasn’t that a stunt?

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 15, 2016 3:13 pm

    That’s true.

  129. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2016 3:56 pm

    “We’ve only lost out since the services that were previously provided by government have been sold off to private enterprise who privatise their profits and socialise their losses…”

    Please point out when Qantas, CBA, Telstra, Medibank et al have ever had their losses socialised ?

  130. March 15, 2016 3:57 pm

    network-9 discussing 40-bucks a pack smokes and tax-hike, talking-head neil mitchel claimed ,,,,,,black market `chop-chop` is 20% of baccy market,,,,,,, ,,,,,it`s-huge,,,,,, if correct team-nanny-roxon, you all just got pwned:-)

  131. March 15, 2016 4:14 pm

    blubbering,,,,,Please point out when Qantas, CBA, Telstra,,,,,

    # ,, witchbank reneging on insurance payments and predatory cheating pensioners,

    # ,, telecom seem to have been getting a lot of `payments` since the nbn started, also a lot of new `copper` too,

    # ,, all have trashed jobs, probably off-shore too, all of which ultimately cost treasury

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 15, 2016 4:17 pm

    Please point out when Qantas, CBA, Telstra, Medibank et al have ever had their losses socialised ?

    Didn’t qantas run to government for more money? granted they didn’t get it, but they wanted it bad, they ended up going on a company strike and stranding it’s passengers with government collusion. Didn’t the banks run to government for protection from the GFC? telstra was protected when john howard did not separate retail and wholesale and look at how it’s behaved since. Medibank/medicare had always been socialised and owned by the public. Do you think that health is a profit making industry? [unless you are a private health company eg medibank private et al, then you pick the ops that make profits and ditch the loss making ones to medicare] and taxpayers pay for the private health rebates and we also pay a medicare subsidy if we choose not to buy into private health?

  133. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 4:21 pm

    What is the history?

    er, that Nazis aren’t “lefties”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

    Cos, you know … lefties!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3486176/Trump-supporter-sucker-punches-black-protester-face-unprovoked-attack-cowboy-hat-wearing-fan-Donald-NOT-arrested.html

    What is undemocratic is when you have a voting system which doesn’t allow the will of the people to be expressed

    And, as is pointed out in the article I linked earlier, this “solution” simply replaces one problem with another.

    Why not think it through properly. Why the rush?

    if correct

    ROFL

    I’ll go with ALL of the indicators showing that it is a huge success, rather than a “talking head”. Does he CCC’s?

  134. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2016 4:42 pm

    “Didn’t the banks run to government for protection from the GFC?”

    Yes they did but that had nothing to do with “socialising losses” it was because the GFC had frozen over the credit markets meaning no one could borrow without government guarantees (overseas it resulted in bank takeovers)

    “Didn’t qantas run to government for more money? granted they didn’t get it, ”

    Yep and Joe Hockey refused

    “…., they ended up going on a company strike and stranding it’s passengers with government collusion”

    That was under Rudd/Gillard era and was not directly linked to any losses but was linked to malevolence by the Unions

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 15, 2016 4:43 pm

    And, as is pointed out in the article I linked earlier, this “solution” simply replaces one problem with another.

    What is the ‘new’ problem tomR? [I must have missed that bit, I’ve been out & about in-between commenting] . Can I have it again?

  136. March 15, 2016 4:48 pm

    “”not directly linked to any losses but was linked to malevolence by the Unions””

    By whom I wonder, you and YoM? 🙂

  137. March 15, 2016 5:02 pm

    Hell hath no fury…

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  138. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2016 5:12 pm

    “When Senator Wong call you mate you are basically a dead man.”

    So Wong complains about being gagged when she wass part of a government that wanted to gag the Press

    Fucking Hypocrite !

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 15, 2016 5:14 pm

    going on a company strike and stranding it’s passengers with government collusion

    They’ve got some hide!! Using the law and all. What is ever going to happen to unions if companies use the law!???

  140. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 5:25 pm

    By whom I wonder, you and YoM?

    lol, beat me to it reb

    Using the law and all.

    lol, your defence of a company stranding its entire passenger list without warning on some trumped up bullshit about “Unions BOO” is “it’s legal” ROFL

    4ao 🙂 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-15/senate-voting-changes-will-increase-exhausted-votes-experts/7245828

  141. Flying High permalink
    March 15, 2016 5:26 pm

    Large corporations?

    ———————-

    “While the first priority is the domestic rollout of the service, expansion into regional and international flights is being explored. “

  142. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 5:26 pm

    she wass part of a government that wanted to gag the Press

    Fucken Bullshitter ! 🙂

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 5:30 pm

    Hitler’s national socialists went about violently disrupting events they didn’t like.

    They certainly did … national socialists are extreme RIGHT wing … don’t let the term socialist fool you …

    In the USA the democrats are called liberals …

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 5:32 pm

    Fucken Bullshitter !

    Having just read some of the comments I’m astounded at the slippery twists and turn of the language to make a “point” …

    Its actually a bit sad …

  145. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2016 6:01 pm

    “…your defence of a company stranding its entire passenger list ”

    The sudden strikes by your Union mates in the weeks leading up to that point pretty much ensured there would eventually be no future passenger list.

    Finally after doing fucking nothing to alleviate the situation that do nothing grub Gillard finally got FWA to sort it out and they did

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 6:14 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/gall-of-states-on-school-funding-minister/news-story/3aa9be5e15c4714eda5dcc433be2eaec

    The minister also said there were limits to how much schools could reverse disadvantage caused by a child’s upbringing.

    Its these little drops of arrogance that tell a great deal about the Liberal Government …

    What does Birmingham mean? Its not worth bothering … or the poorer end of the socioeconomic aren’t worth it … or Gonski is a waste of time …

    MBA with little real life experience …

  147. March 15, 2016 6:26 pm

    “”Having just read some of the comments I’m astounded at the slippery twists and turn of the language to make a “point” …””

    You mean, you’ve only just noticed…………?? 😯

  148. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 6:44 pm

    The sudden strikes by your Union mates

    Fucken Bullshitter !

    QANTAS long-haul pilots have voted to take protected industrial action against the airline for the first time in 45 years, as the carrier urged their union to continue negotiations over pay and conditions.

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/archive/business/qantas-pilots-strike-for-long-haul-jobs/story-e6frg2qu-1226092482311

    Not really “sudden” are they, since “sudden” strikes are not protected.

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 7:31 pm

    You mean, you’ve only just noticed…………?? 😯

    Who the fk are you?

    Welcome to the blog BTW … ❗

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 7:45 pm

    Who runs this country … here’s a clue!

    Proposed laws that intend to increase tenfold the fines for coal seam gas and mining protesters in New South Wales have been strongly criticised by the Law Society of NSW and the NSW Bar Association, just as they are expected to be rushed through both houses of parliament.

    The Robber Barons in Parliament!

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/15/nsw-anti-protest-laws-attack-democracy-law-groups

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 7:49 pm

    Clive Palmer could be forced to shoulder the $100m cost of cleaning up his Queensland Nickel operation under proposed state laws that would expand the chain of corporate responsibility for pollution.

    Unless your governed by a “national socialist”***** government … ref, sb for “explanation” …

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 7:52 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/15/iran-refuses-to-take-back-asylum-seekers-who-have-been-forcibly-returned

    Hypocrites? Incompetent? Amateurs? Adult!!!! You bet you are … you bet I am …

  153. State Of The Union permalink
    March 15, 2016 7:57 pm

    “In the USA the democrats are called these-are-not-the-people…”

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2016 8:37 pm

    Hypocrites? Incompetent? Amateurs?

    TB

    It was your vote in 2007 that let 50,000 boat people into the country. You restarted a problem that Howard had solved and cost us $15B- $20B housing all these people.

    About time you started taking responsibility for the damage you caused by voting Rudd in 2007.

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 8:42 pm

    Can anyone hear a squeak?

  156. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:01 pm

  157. Tony permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:07 pm

    “The clue is in the name. Subsequent generations of Leftists have tried to explain away the awkward nomenclature of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party as either a cynical PR stunt or an embarrassing coincidence. In fact, the name meant what it said.”

  158. March 15, 2016 9:10 pm

    “My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.”

  159. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:16 pm

    The clue is in the name.

    yea, like the “Liberals” 😉

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1yzgrk/leftists_become_incandescent_when_reminded_of_the/

    And just remember, the closest things on the political spectrum are the extremes, or so it has been opined.

    Chill out and enjoy tosy, your time will come

  160. March 15, 2016 9:22 pm

    Thanks Tom R. I’ll, take that on board. 🙂 But seriously, have a look at this if you want to challenge everything you think you know on this topic.

    (You too, Meta. I think you have the intellectual wherewithal to give a reasoned critique on his dissertation.)

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:31 pm

    Well, what a pair of pillars of integrity. Wicks and Tommo.

    Anyone got the phone number of the local brothel? …and got a credit card I can use?

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 15, 2016 9:34 pm

    Yeah! The unions took legal action!!!

    …and Qantas responded with …. legal action!

    It’s just not fair when that happens. Unions can’t win if companies observe legalities.

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 10:02 pm

    … to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.”

    Socialism is NO MORE an economic system than democracy is … the communist economic system that people tend to ignore in their ignorance is called a Command System … (look it up because I’m sick of educating right wing ignorance on this fkn blog!)

    Democracy and communism and socialism are political systems any one of them could operate either a Command System economy, a Capitalist economy or … as in the case of modern China … a hybrid capitalist/command system …

    Socialism is different to communism (look it up … ) … communist state have elections WOW!

    National socialists believe in gods and soothsayers and astrologists and mythology and legends and all sorts of other shite … its a right wing political hang up … “just believe” …

    Stalin was a left wing dictator, paranoid and an arsehole … Hitler was a right wing dictator paranoid, racist and an arsehole – build a fkn bridge and get over it!

    We don’t want either in this country … but the Yanks are heading for the latter! For which we will suffer!

    Can you live with the consequences of defending a national socialist Fuckwit© called Trump whose, paranoid, racist, nationalistic, aggressive, narcissistic and an arsehole … and a presbyterian … dog bless it!

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2016 10:09 pm

    But seriously, have a look at this if you want to challenge everything you think you know on this topic.

    How many elections did Hitler hold?

    Your reading opinion not fact! jesus f christ no wonder you “defend” your beliefs so ardently …

  165. March 16, 2016 1:55 am

    tinfoil`osy,,,,,(You too, Meta. I think you have the intellectual wherewithal to give a reasoned critique on his dissertation.),,,,,,,

    # ,, yeah meta, it` all your fault:-)

    # ,, from tinfoil`osy`s `tripod` link,

    tripod,,,,,Hitler the Greenie,,,,,

    tripod,,,,,The Nazis were in fact probably the first major political party in the Western world to have a thoroughgoing `Green` agenda.,,,,

    tripod,,,,I take the following brief summary from Andrew Bolt,,,,#ROFLMAO

    # ,, only in blot and tinfoil`osy-land would all the smoke from all the ovens, pollution and destruction from military explosives to natural and man-made environments would be explained-away as a `green-agenda`, oh how fcuking dumb you really are tinfoil`osy, but if you`re happy swallowing this guff, enjoy ya`self:-)

  166. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 8:58 am

    …and Qantas responded with …. legal action!

    That grounded their entire fleet, and stranded every single passenger, and potentially threatened Australia’s very economic position.

    If any UNION ever went that far it would and should be castigated just as joyce was castigated.

    But you seem to support that kind of bullying thuggery, as long as it is done by the corporates, and as long as you consider it “legal”.

    malcayman hides his cash away in a known tax haven. It is legal. It sure as hell aint right.

  167. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 9:26 am

    It is very easy to miss complexities in the the politics of the past and thus draw wrong conclusions about them.

    I AGREE!

    Yet the author then attempts to do just that. I mean, the swastika was used elsewhere. That’s really an argument to support his case ffs! Even Coca Cola used the friggin Swastika, before the Nazi’s ruined it for everyone. I guess that PROVES Hitler was a Pepsi hater?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#North_America

    He then uses modern politics interpretation of “left” and “right” (or, to be fairer, his own interpretation of “left” and “right” ) to further his argument, AFTER warning us of the “complexities in the the politics of the past “.

    And then, to cap it all off, he uses bolt.

    BOLT! ffs tosy

    I did however come across this refutation of your initial article, and he uses the politics of the time to back his argument

    Yet, by this very definition, Hitler wasn’t a socialist. Marxism is defined by class war, and socialism is accomplished with the total victory of the Proletariat over the ruling classes. By contrast, Hitler offered an alliance between labour and capital in the form of corporatism – with the express purpose of preventing class war. Marxists regarded this as one of the stages of capitalist development and few at the time legitimately interpreted the Third Reich to be a socialist society. The radical George Bernard Shaw, for example, certainly expressed sympathy for Hitler when he came to power but later described the dictator’s socialism as fraudulent – as a way of buying off the inevitable revolution. He wore, in Shaw’s opinion, “the latest mask of capitalism.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100261121/hitler-wasnt-a-socialist-stop-saying-he-was/

    But, as I alluded to above, since the extremes of both sides of politics are in fact, very close, it becomes easy to try and persuade others that one is in fact the other. Especially if you deny the facts of what and how Hitler achieved such economic success in 1930’s Germany. And it wasn’t by using Socialist means, but by privatising much of Germany’s industries, and then Nationalising their works.

    I mean, VW did well out of it, didn’t they 😉

    Indeed, while the Nazis continued the Weimar Republic’s policy of nationalisation, they also privatised quite a few things, too: some steelworks, four major banks and the railways. The profit generated almost 1.4 per cent of the state’s income from 1934-38. Industrialists did well in the Nazi years, helped by a state policy of crushing the unions and emphasising full employment over raising pay. It is true that the economy was socialised in the latter part of the 1930s, but not for the sake of building socialism. It was to prepare for war.

    But Hitler also used language as a great politician does, telling people what they want to hear

    He appealed to all classes of Germans. The name of the Nazi Party itself was deliberately all inclusive – the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/elect.htm

    But it wasn’t as “all inclusive”, was it. The corporations did very well out of it.

    Money was flowing in from German industrialists who saw the Nazis as the wave of the future. They invested in Hitler in the hope of getting favors when he came to power. Their money was used to help pay the growing numbers of salaried Nazis and fuel Goebbels’ propaganda machine.

    And, in case you aren’t convinced, “socialism”, in all its ‘isms’, isn’t just for ‘teh’ left. It might not suit your “ideal” of ‘teh’ right (in the same way that communism doesn’t suit my ‘ideal’ of the left), but the reality is what the reality is, no matter how often revisionists want to revise it.

    Right-wing socialism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_socialism

    I also note the Hitler was an aspiring artist at one time. I won’t be drawing any parallels there though. One tree does not make a forest (and all that) 😉

  168. March 16, 2016 9:38 am

    GOLD!

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  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2016 9:50 am

    Speaking of the Nazis’ has anybody heard of the Belamy salute? It was used in the USA until the Nazis started to use it. Then the USA replaced it with the hand over the heart salute in 1942

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

  170. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 9:51 am

    Hitler didn’t do safe schools either

    #justsaying

  171. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 9:52 am

    This is an issue that needs attention. It’s a problem that has been growing for years. And yes, the previous Labor Governments should have done more (imo)

  172. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 10:34 am

    The thing I like (and dislike) about twitter, is its brevity.

  173. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 10:36 am

    The witch hunt continues

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 10:58 am

    … the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

    Oh, like “Howard’s Aussie Battlers” … 🙄

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 11:11 am

    Speaking of the Nazis’ has anybody heard of the Belamy salute?

    No, I hadn’t, neel, interesting info …

  176. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 11:13 am

    Oh, like “Howard’s Aussie Battlers”

    Actually, that probably turned out to be too true.

    The Aussies were Battling cos of Howard 🙂

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 11:14 am

    Hitler didn’t do safe schools either

    But he did have Hitler Youth … and chaplains …

  178. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 11:18 am

    No, I hadn’t, neel, interesting info …

    well, that settles it then, Hitler was an American sympathiser (who also liked Coca Cola) 😯

  179. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 11:20 am

    But he did have Hitler Youth … and chaplains …

    Yea, but, historically speaking, that doesn’t really lead to “safe” schools now, does it?

  180. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2016 11:37 am

    A pointless campaign.

    If you want the job you need to sign this clause and opt out or no job or no job after 5 months. When will the Union movement ever learn

    “At the Fair Work Commission on Monday, the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union made the case for “automatic conversion” that would make casual workers permanent after six or 12 months unless they “opt out” and want to remain casual.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/battle-begins-over-demands-to-make-casual-workers-permanent-20160314-gnie0p.html#ixzz431Pk28bJ
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  181. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 11:51 am

    A pointless campaign.

    Why is it pointless?

    How can someone who has worked somewhere for 12 months 8 hours a day, 52 weeks a year, be considered “casual”?

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 11:56 am

    Malcolm is erudite and charming, but that doesn’t translate into a better deal for artists.

    http://www.artshub.com.au/news-article/opinions-and-analysis/trends-and-analysis/sasha-grishin/turnbull-fails-to-woo-the-arts-vote-250691

    ToSY will be pleased with this … and BTW

    (You too, Meta. I think you have the intellectual wherewithal to give a reasoned critique on his dissertation.)

    Meta will never critique … not their modus operandi … had you been taking notice over the last decade …

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:01 pm

    Here is a picture of American kids doing the Bellamy salute

  184. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:04 pm

    Here is a picture of Aussie workers thanking their corporate overlords for being allowed to work full time hours on a casual hire

  185. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:05 pm

    “Why is it pointless?”

    Well if there is an “opt out” clause dont you think that will determine whether he gets the job or not ?

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:06 pm

    Missing the point, wally, capital needs labour to operate and labour needs capital to be able to work … its a symbiotic relationship – losy on many people and from both side of IR … and the relationship needs a flexible approach … on BOTH sides … not just capital (management) …

    Lazy management play the casual game … and the threat of “just do it! Now! Do you want a job or don’t you – ’cause there’s the gate!”… will be ringing in someone’s ears as I type this comment.

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely …

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:07 pm

    Well if there is an “opt out” clause dont you think that will determine whether he gets the job or not ?

    Could you expand on that?

    (I think you meant …”he or she” …)

  188. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:12 pm

    dont you think that will determine whether he gets the job or no

    That’s the argument the employers will run, but, when push comes to shove, will they want to take a chance on another untried, or stick with someone they know performs.

    Having heard the amount of whinging from employers over their inability to find good workers ……. 😉

  189. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:28 pm

    And where does this casualisation of the workforce end? $3 a day, an hour? Oh, looks like we are already @ $3/hour

    With our car plants closing down and manufacturing jobs going offshore, we are increasingly accustomed to jobs being lost overseas. What is new and will come as a shock to most of us is that for the first time, the federal government is allowing foreign workers on Australian shores to be paid $3 an hour despite our federal minimum wage of $17.29.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/government-intends-foreign-crews-to-replace-local-crews-in-our-maritime-industry-20160315-gnjadk.html#ixzz431cCv6XJ
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  190. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:30 pm

    “………will they want to take a chance on another untried, or stick with someone they know performs.”

    The employer can decide on that.

    It might be (this is just an example) that his job is totally contingent upon the annual renewal of a single customer contract. If its not renewed then he isn’t either.There are plenty of those situations around.

    To force them to make someone permanent after 6 months will just result in shorter hire periods of less than 6 months

  191. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:42 pm

    will just result in shorter hire periods of less than 6 months

    Sounds like a typical scare campaign, with nothing to back it up.

    If a business doesn’t have a contract the following year, then getting rid of full time employees is simple. It is not the onerous task corporations pretend

    But, if a business doesn’t have a contract the next year ………… ya don’t really have a business, do you?

  192. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:53 pm

    “But, if a business doesn’t have a contract the next year ………… ya don’t really have a business, do you?”

    If its one of multiple contracts then you are incorrect.

  193. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2016 12:55 pm

    A freight forwarding company would be an example whereby it employs on the basis of annual contract renewals. I have a client like that. I dont do its accounts (cant be bothered) but I do do other stuff for them.

  194. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 1:09 pm

    If its one of multiple contracts then you are incorrect.

    If its one of multiple contracts then you are most probably able to move employees about.

    an example whereby it employs on the basis of annual contract renewals.

    Yes, nice to know its employees are seen in the same light as a yearly paper contract. You miss the entire point, This is human beings we are discussing. People who would like to plan for futures you cannot plan for on a casual income.

    At least the yearly contract has a years certainty. A casual has NONE!

  195. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2016 1:17 pm

    “If its one of multiple contracts then you are most probably able to move employees about.”

    More likely cutting their hours back.

    Which means you need a casual to be able to do that.

    Thanks for proving my point by the way 🙂

  196. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2016 1:39 pm

    More likely cutting their hours back.

    More likely sounds more like another scare campaign to me.

  197. March 16, 2016 3:32 pm

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  198. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2016 4:02 pm

    Quite often I ask myself where does all our money go ?

    Mrs Walrus has just bought one of these for our hounds.

    http://www.domain.com.au/news/the-bendable-taco-chair-you-didnt-know-you-needed-20160316-gnk3f6/

  199. March 16, 2016 4:26 pm

    In only six months, he’s pulled out of Gonski funding, gutted the TAFE system, announced $650 million in cuts to Medicare, stalled momentum on a republic, backed Abbott’s divisive $500 million plebiscite plan, called for a review of Safe Schools, failed to condemn the homophobia of his colleagues, slashed funding to the CSIRO resulting in 350 climate science job losses, endorsed Abbott’s pathetic emissions targets and direct action plan, echoed Abbott on coal, heavily subsidised the fossil fuel industry, approved one of the world’s largest coal ports close to the Great Barrier Reef, appointed Australia’s first wind farm commissioner, ruled out a shift to emission trading, mocked Labor’s “reckless” renewable energy target and ripped $1 billion from the foreign aid budget.

    When Tony Abbott was ousted in September, The Saturday Paper ran a brilliant and scathing editorial on his Prime Ministership:

    “Abbott governed for the past and the few conservatives desperate to continue living there. He governed against science and in contempt of the environment. He governed in opposition to social equality, in terror of reform. His was a government of fear and avoidance, a rolling sideshow anxiously avoiding the fact it had nothing to add and no idea what to do….

    “He treated law like a plaything. He made policy at odds with the country’s own constitution. He fought consensus and held out against change. He refused humility. He let run the island camps where women and children are raped and men killed. He turned in from the world. He mocked treaties. He failed obligations…

    “He was a coward with reform. He left the tax system lumbering and unfair. He failed to articulate policy. He hectored the ABC, cowing it and becoming ludicrously involved in editorial processes.”

    Conveniently for The Saturday Paper, they’d written two political epitaphs for the price of one.

    https://newmatilda.com/2016/03/16/tonys-onions-malcolms-muddles-still-the-worst-australian-government-ever/

  200. March 16, 2016 4:29 pm

    “”Mrs Walrus has just bought one of these for our hounds.””

    So when did you move to Penriff?

  201. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2016 4:39 pm

    “So when did you move to Penriff?”

    That’s pretty much exactly what I was thinking although it was more a Mt Druitt thought

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Penriff

    Anyway “apparently” its going to be shipped to some friends in the UK and I then have to get another friend who works for Toll Ipec to get it back here.

    FMD !…………..something else for me to do

    And yeah it really blends in nicely with the black leather lounges

  202. March 16, 2016 5:32 pm

    cheerer,,,,,But, if a business doesn’t have a contract the next year ,, ,, ,, ya don`t really have a business, do you?,,,,,

    # ,, l hear`ya team-cheerer, but unfortunately l tend to agree with blubbers on this one, many businesses in their rush to shove their work-force into labor-agents so they could rip-off their holiday pay, have in many cases gutted their business to `single-item` output and `single-client` out-fits. They have often `de-skilled` their work-force and have no chance of regaining lost business. Free-trade dumping has then added to their woes.

  203. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2016 6:54 pm

    Reb

    I have been reading leftists articles for a long time so i knew your link would be full of lies. Lefties like to tell lies to demonise their opponents

    slashed funding to the CSIRO resulting in 350 climate science job losses

    Not true. Funding has been diverted to more important areas.

    echoed Abbott on coal

    OK but is Labor any different? Coal exports exploded under Rudd/Gillard. Selective morality

    heavily subsidised the fossil fuel industry,

    What new subsidies did the Coalition introduce?

    appointed Australia’s first wind farm commissioner

    And lefties say this is a bad thing?

    He let run the island camps where women and children are raped and men killed

    These were set up by the Rudd/Gillard govt.

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 7:20 pm

    So when did you move to Penriff?

    No comment! I may accused of envy for the RICH!

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 7:39 pm

    sreb? the Rudd pic confused me … then I clicked the gravatar … I assume the pup?

    My kids (the real drain on the coffers – no foldy beds for them!) grew up with a pedigree boxer* (three national champs in his line) …

    … oddly enough The MInister and I had/have the same initials so our kids have T as their first name … our dog was named (not by us) Trek …

    … at six months he ran into the side of a car and broke both front legs … the vet bill was $200, one leg plaster splint the other a metal plate (a year later he could run like the wind!) … he’d cost us $60 to buy (well over a weeks wages then) … my old man said why didn’t you just buy another three? Dick!

    Mum was funny she said “you know you’ll never be able to breed him?” (‘Cause he had broken legs?)

    … when he was 13 he began to simply fall over, only for a few seconds, but became very frail …

    I had him put down just before we went to PNG … he would never have survived and we could never bring him home (three year contract) … broke our hearts – I rarely cry – but I did on the way home …

    … we have never wanted another pet …

    Sorry to indulge …

    * All kids should have a dog … a friend when no one else is around … (ie They’re in trouble!)

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 7:41 pm

    Here is a picture of American kids doing the Bellamy salute

    And then you got greedy!

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2016 7:48 pm

    And then you got greedy!

    What are you talking about now? Since you vote Labor it has to be something about how more moral and ethical you are than anybody else.

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2016 9:17 pm

    What was the point of putting up a photo … you had already provided interesting information … that included the photo BTW … move on …

    What has morals and ethics to do with it? … except in your mind …. no one else’s …

  209. Something Like That permalink
    March 17, 2016 6:01 am

    …explained-away as a `green-agenda`…

    It’s true; I’ve read Adolf’s Green Paper: the ‘law of the jungle’ is only natural.

    That’s why the deemed-weak liberals, democrats, social democrats, socialists, communists, humanitarians, parliamentarians, constitutionalists, Age of Enlightenment losers, and every other degenerate pussy without requisite quotient of Drumpf tiger-blood leaping in their veins had to go.

    Oh, except the Conservative Right, what with their folksy ultra-nationalist ways and their Wilhelm Reich-esque thing for strong authority figures; they could stay, for a while; in the bottom drawer of the Cabinet, to make up the numbers and to get a special Nuremberg mention as active enablers of the total will-to-power exercise.

    But, who could have known a sub-set of German people in a Weimar Republic might and did harbour restive, born-to-rule, contra-democratic, there-can-be-only-one, winner-takes-all sentiments. After all, the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei didn’t rise and rise and fall on its own; it inhabited an inherited ecosystem and merely enlarged an existing niche; pro-German, pro-Pan-German, anti-Russian, anti-Jew, anti-Marxist thus so, anti-Anglo-French, pro-Monarch/Monarch-ambivalent, counter-Revolutionary.

    In any event, it’s chewing over the world-concept of making Germany Greater again that’s worthy of the heroic struggle, not just who pays, or how, for the grists to the mills; although, as every good Marxist knows, it’s always the best for any totalising State to incorporate the (industro-)capitalists into a (perma-)war-setting economy, and, believe me, the Völk(isch) had the best social-capitalists and ideo-coloni(ali)sts, naturally.

    Until they didn’t.

  210. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2016 9:19 am

    What was the point of putting up a photo … you had already provided interesting information … that included the photo BTW … move on

    Not sure what you are talking about but i provided a photo of the Bellamy salute because not everybody may have read the link.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/650-million-people-cant-get-a-safe-drink/news-story/4fbf49dcd435dc14567635e7f22405a3

    And lots of people do not have flush toilets. Apparently in India people in rural areas have to walk one hour from where they live otherwise they will pollute the village. So they only go to the toilet twice/day. In the morning and night.

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 10:15 am

    ToSY will love that, M … I think ❓

    Chuckle … luv yer monologues too …

  212. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2016 10:21 am

    it’s always the best for any totalising State to incorporate the (industro-)capitalists into a (perma-)war-setting economy

    Both extremes are closer than the middle of each side, yet most opposed, or “Something Like That ”

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 10:23 am

    The TurnAbbout honeymoon is definitely over I’d say … I just wish he’d gat off his arse and go to work …

    FEDERAL police have launched a formal investigation into the dealings former Turnbull government minister Stuart Robert had with a Chinese mining company.

    “The matter is now being investigated and while this occurs, it is not appropriate to provide further comment,” an Australian Federal Police spokeswoman said on Thursday.

    Mr Robert resigned from the frontbench after it was determined he had breached ministerial standards in taking a personal trip to China in 2014 that involved witnessing the signing of a mining deal and discussions with government officials.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/federal-police-investigate-former-minister/news-story/f6ec8736abce1a811222503965f7abdb?sv=7ae6b2edeb8b0bec02f069e39f97c6e3

  214. March 17, 2016 10:29 am

    There’s a mighty judgement coming (although I could be wrong)…

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  215. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 10:48 am

    There’s a mighty judgement coming …

    Yes, I’m getting those signals from a few sources … nothing seems to tie up though … none of the basics seem to apply with economies and investments …

    … and there is a lot of money printing happening … all that does is dilute the value of everyone else’s …

    … and the military of a number of countries seem to be jostling for “position” …

    … and unusual “incidents” last night I heard that an Argentinian coastguard ship fired at and sank a Chinese “fishing boat” in Argentinian waters …

    Australia is in limbo … nothing is happening and people are waiting for TurnAbbout & Morriscum to stop farting and just dump …

    … economic constipation can easily spread to the brain!

    And then along came Drumpf!

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 10:52 am

    Is it ironic or coincidence that Donald Drumpf has a Germanic background?

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2016 10:59 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/manildra-had-20-meetings-with-nsw-ministers-before-new-ethanol-laws-introduced-20160316-gnkefz.html#ixzz436w24pGW

    …The NSW Greens have previously pointed out that Manildra, Australia’s largest ethanol producer, has donated $4.3 million to the Liberals, Nationals and Labor since 1998.
    In NSW, major retailers must try to ensure ethanol accounts for 6 per cent of all petrol sold, via the E10 blend, while retailers owning fewer than 20 sites are exempt.
    Despite this, ethanol accounts for only about 2 per cent of all petrol sold in NSW.
    The government’s legislation is expected to require smaller retailers to sell E10 for the first time to reach the 6 per cent mandate…

  218. March 17, 2016 11:15 am

    … and unusual “incidents”

    Yes, there certainly are.

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 11:33 am

    But what an exciting time to be an Australian!

  220. March 17, 2016 11:35 am

    Yes, I’m feeling decidedly agile and innovative.

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 11:38 am

    Some Politicians Need to Be Punished … KL!

    As for coal … sell, sell, sell … its those bloody windfarms I tells ya!

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 11:43 am

    Yes, I’m feeling decidedly agile and innovative.

    Just what happened to the “face of innovation” …

    (I think that TurnAbbout invented innovation when he invented the internet) …

    http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/6e372c1f69e8729308284428caeded2f

    Must be in close contact with Mal Brough and Chrissy Pain and whatsisname Ashby these days …

  223. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2016 11:56 am

    … economic constipation can easily spread to the brain!

    lol TB. You’ve been reading to much Meta with linguistic limbos like that methinks 😉

    There’s a mighty judgement coming …

    Yes, and Labor, who seems to have laid quite a solid foundation for tackling this, are now wasting their time playing politics with SSM and the Greens.

    Seems they have forgotten who the real enemy is.

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2016 11:57 am

    … and there is a lot of money printing happening … all that does is dilute the value of everyone else’s …

    That is one of the few things you have said i agree with.

    Too bad your Labor mates do not agree. Over at AIMN they say we are sovereign in our own currency so debt is not a problem. We can just print money anytime we want to pay our debts so we cannot go bankrupt.

  225. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2016 12:13 pm

    We can just print money anytime we want to pay our debts so we cannot go bankrupt.

    That’s true to an extent nil, it just has other negative effects, like the one mentioned. Which is why it is best avoided.

    It just doesn’t seem that America, (and possibly China) really care about those effects.

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2016 12:17 pm

    That’s true to an extent nil, it just has other negative effects, like the one mentioned. Which is why it is best avoided.

    Another miracle has occurred. TomR has just said something i agree with. Go over and spend some time at AIMN. According to MMT (Modern Monetary Theory) because we are sovereign in our own currency, debt is not a problem. We can just pay off our debt by money transfer. No need to do any work.

  227. March 17, 2016 12:20 pm

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  228. Etch-A-Sketch permalink
    March 17, 2016 12:35 pm

    No need to do any work.

    Hmm. MMT seems to imply precisely the opposite; as it’s raison d’etre.

  229. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2016 1:28 pm

    According to MMT

    I’m not an expert on that, but does the theory mention the downsides?

    Countries have been doing it for years, the US is the biggest practitioner, which is funny, considering they claim to be against “big government”. Unless of course they can use their big grub mint to finance their big (private) business.

  230. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2016 1:33 pm

    “We can just pay off our debt by money transfer. No need to do any work.”

    Yeah……………I agree to0.

    We can print as much money as we like. And if we need to repay our debts in US dollars (usually the case) we’ll just print some of those as well. I’m sure the Yanks wont mind us printing some of their dollars.

    And if someone else wants Euros………..no problem we’ll print those too.

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 2:34 pm

    And if someone else wants Euros………..no problem we’ll print those too.

    For a very large fee … ’cause the value is diluted every one printed …

    So much for a democracy linked to a free market capitalist system … about as clever as a communist command system on steroids …

    =================================================

    lol TB. You’ve been reading to much Meta with linguistic limbos like that methinks 😉

    Well, I;ve been reading M for a some time now … but I think my turn of phrase is a little more urbane … M uses terms like … raison d’etre.

    I’m not just that posh … 🙂

  232. March 17, 2016 2:59 pm

    “”I’m not just that posh …””

    You don’t say….

  233. March 17, 2016 3:32 pm

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  234. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2016 3:54 pm

    “”I’m not just that posh …””

    Yeah…………..you’re just very Bolsh

  235. March 17, 2016 4:04 pm

    via-reb,,,,,,Household debt as % of GDP ,, Australia: 122%,,,,,,

    # ,, hey dumb-fcuks, it`s (still) all about `jobs`, not printing money, 21% un/under-employed, another chunk of population floating `above` poverty-line, near-working-poor, stuck paying bills on credit-card and getting nowhere.

    ,,,,,There`s a mighty judgement coming#yep (although I could be wrong)#nah,,,,

    # ,, when the credit-card bubble bursts, all hell will probably break loose

    # ,, l`d guess that `122%` in non-homeloan debt??

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 6:49 pm

    You don’t say….

    Mmmm … thought I’d get a snipe from wally first …

    Aha! Here ”tis …

    Yeah…………..you’re just very Bolsh

    You have no idea, wally …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    when the credit-card bubble bursts, all hell will probably break loose

    And those of us who don’t have a credit card bubble will then have to pay up for those that do … again!

    This version of capitalism doesn’t do much for the savers … and never has …

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 6:56 pm

    Australia is giving $8 million to help Indonesia breed cattle.

    This is to be able to sell breeding stock – apparently …

    Wonder how much we will earn from breeding stock and how much from beef cattle?

    You wouldn’t let these dicks anywhere a business … but here they are fucking up running the country …

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 8:23 pm

    Is it just me or does George Christensen come across as a big, fat, lazy, ignorant, slob you wouldn’t invite home?

    And WTF keeps electing him and others like him?

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 8:25 pm

    And then I saw this … ,

    Only one school has withdrawn from Safe Schools since a review into the anti-bullying initiative thrust the program into the spotlight, and 32 more schools have signed up.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/11/safe-schools-32-more-schools-sign-up-and-only-one-leaves-after-furore

    Good onya OZ!

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 8:38 pm

    This “government” is a fkn shambles …

    … the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd debacle and subsequent governance look positively competent and professional …

    … compared to …

    … TurnAbbout/The Mad Monk/TurnAbbout adult amateur show currently playing!

    Wiffle woffle …slip, slop, slap … flip, flop … and absolute limbo in both economy and society …

    All with a smile, an emperor with no clothes, and a backbencher who is deceitful, lies, cheats and fucks anything he plays with! And plays puppet master with Milkum TurnAbbout!

    Shambolic! Useless! Incompetent! Hypocrites!

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2016 9:28 pm

    Is it just me or does George Christensen come across as a big, fat, lazy, ignorant, slob …

    Another example of TB’s bigotry.

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2016 10:10 pm

    … the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd debacle and subsequent governance look positively competent and professional …

    How many children did Abbott lock up?

    TB of Queensland locked up 8,000 children. There are now only 34 children in detention.

    TB of Queensland turned a $20B budget surplus into a $20B budget deficit within 12 months.

    TB of Queensland took unemployment from 4.3% to 5.8% very quickly.

  243. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2016 11:41 pm

    “Another example of TB’s bigotry.”

    Yep !

    A very pathetic cunt in so far as freedom of thought / religion goes

    I’m not big on religion I only hate its incitement to violence or other silly stuff

    TB is truly tormented by an English orthodox.

    Quite pathetic but not surprising coming from him

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2016 11:56 pm

    A very pathetic cunt …

    Silly, silly man! No argument – resort to pathetic foul language insults … you have no case and no defense of the actions of these religious, conservative nutters …

    I just watched one on my TV lie twice …

    Bigotry weeps from all the last two of three (neels a twit) comments … the bigotry is the Christian Lobby’s attack on people they consider – what -? … no better than the Nazis attack on Jews in Germany …

    Bigotry isn’t about religion its about … a person whose habitual state of mind includes an obstinate, irrational, or unfair intolerance of ideas, opinions, ethnicities, or beliefs that differ from their own, and intolerance of the people who hold them.

    If you consider any of my comments about organised religion – particularly the catlyk hypocrisy -they refer to particular bigotry and actions of those religions …

    Rarely do religions follow the “teachings” of their texts … I have no problem with religion … but I have an enormous distaste for hypocrites …

    As proven above …

    JC must be dizzy from spinning on that cross!

  245. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2016 7:59 am

    Is it bigotry, or a valid question?

    Or just plain sad that something as biting as this needs to be posted in order to try and slam home some simple truths

  246. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2016 9:39 am

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 10:13 am

    I’m not big on religion I only hate its incitement to violence or other silly stuff …

    Well you certainly whizz to its defence quickly enough for one who clams to be “not big on religion” …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As for ToM …

    Another example of TB’s bigotry.

    Another example of sniping for sniping’s sake … and ignorance of the word bigotry …

  248. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2016 10:23 am

    “Well you certainly whizz to its defence quickly enough for one who clams to be “not big on religion” … ”

    As usual you completely miss the point blinded by your own old Anglican bigotry.

    Last time I heard people in this country have freedom of thought. If they wish to believe in a God then fine.

    But you and your grotesque thought process equate the way they look to their freedom of thought.

    That makes you the pathetic angry a***hole you are everyday

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 10:32 am

    Liberal opponents of the reform tried to link marriage equality with the Safe Schools program and Safe Schools with paedophilia, giving the nation a foretaste of the nasty narratives that will be deployed during a plebiscite campaign.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/18/this-week-in-marriage-equality-a-foretaste-of-the-nasty-narrative-that-will-dominate-a-plebiscite

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Y’know I just thought … what did my earlier comment have to do with religion?

    “””Is it just me or does George Christensen come across as a big, fat, lazy, ignorant, slob you wouldn’t invite home?

    And WTF keeps electing him and others like him?””””

    Not a mention of religion? And by definition (see above) not about bigotry.

    Is it because ToM and wally relate the comments from Christensen and Bernardi to religious beliefs that they both share?

    Are ToM and wally homophobes … and don’t support gay equality in our society?

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 10:34 am

    Last time I heard people in this country have freedom of thought. If they wish to believe in a God then fine.

    You miss the point … the thoughts don’t stay in their heads it relates to behaviour far too often!

  251. March 18, 2016 11:07 am

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  252. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 11:11 am

    Well, wally, do you agree with the Safe Schools program review findings or not?

    Are you a catlyk or not?

  253. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2016 11:14 am

    Bigotry weeps from all the last two of three (neels a twit) comments

    No you said this

    … the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd debacle and subsequent governance look positively competent and professional …

    Your comment is wrong. The Coalition has not trashed anything. They may not have improved the economic numbers but nothing has got worse.

    There are now only 34 children in detention. Labor/TB locked up 8,000 kids

  254. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2016 11:25 am

    That makes you the pathetic angry a***hole you are everyday

    Comments like that can’t be good for your own self esteem hey wally 😉

    #justsaying

  255. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2016 11:34 am

    They may not have improved the economic numbers

    Already leader for dumbest comment of the day. Well done nil 😉

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2016 11:41 am

    Already leader for dumbest comment of the day. Well done ni

    Why? Nothing has got worse.

    In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling. In 2013 unemployment was at 5.8% and rising

    In 2007 debt was zero. In 2013 debt was 10% of GDP and exploding.

    In 2007 there were no children in detention. Labor locked up 8,000 children.

    All the economic numbers got worse under Rudd/Gillard. Economic numbers under the Coalition have not changed.

  257. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:02 pm

    Economic numbers under the Coalition have not changed.

    😯

  258. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:11 pm

    Why the smiley face? The economic numbers have not changed under the Coalition.

    Under Rudd/Gillard/TB/TomR our debt went from zero to 10% of GDP in no time flat. Unemployment exploded. Our borders were destroyed. 8,000 children were locked up

    The economic numbers under Rudd/Gillard were destroyed

  259. March 18, 2016 12:11 pm

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  260. March 18, 2016 12:16 pm

    “”They may not have improved the economic numbers but nothing has got worse.””

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  261. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:29 pm

    Not sure what you are laughing about.

    Unemployment went from 4,3% to 5.8% under Rudd/Gillard. Hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs under Labor.

    Unemployment is still at 5.8% so nothing has got worse

  262. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:31 pm

    When you get called a Tory for the 156th time in a row and it’s starting to hurt

    What’s starting to hurt is watching the left side of politics rip itself apart, and all while I was very happy watching the right do it.

  263. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:32 pm

    It’s interesting watching the Unions support the same journos who were out for the blood while they were employed.

  264. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:34 pm

    Hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs under Labor.

    Yea, but Labor had a GFC to contend with.

    What’s ya mates excuse?

  265. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:38 pm

    What’s ya mates excuse?

    Turnbull is not my mate. But the unemployment rate has not changed under the Coalition.

    Unemployment exploded under Labor

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:40 pm

    Comments like that can’t be good for your own self esteem hey wally 😉

    #justsaying

    I think a survey would find wally winning the angry and shrill stakes … be interesting to see how he answers my last two questions …

    I suspect an adroit break the leg tackle, or an eye gouge, or a filthy sledge or sumfin’ … just to avoid the game and try to take the players out …

  267. March 18, 2016 12:43 pm

    blubbering,,,,,A very pathetic cunt,,,,,

    # ,, says the dude who`s life`s work is aiding and abetting theft from the poor, FMD, talk about a lack of self-awareness ,, #teabags

  268. March 18, 2016 12:49 pm

    “”What’s starting to hurt is watching the left side of politics rip itself apart””

    Yes, I remember when the Greens and Labor used to be friends. Now they hate each other.

    And teh Greens are now besties with the Libs.

    Strange days.

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:51 pm

    But the unemployment rate has not changed under the Coalition.

    Up until this week it was 6% …

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/unemployment-rate

    But new jobs are not being created so it will increase …

    The country is in limbo … it has stalled … only the government could make it move … but they have only trashed things not supported a smooth flow … NBN, climate change, infrastructure, education, health, pensions, child support the list goes on …

    If the government doesn’t know what its going to do so people will be careful with spending and that slows the economy, businesses slow or fold and put people out of work who then need welfare but daren’t spend any …

    … ’cause the government is stalling with shite that could be fixed with a stroke of the pen and a conscience vote (even those with religious thoughts and beliefs) … instead of governing the country …

    Christ the Pommie Governors or Port Phillip did a better job with less support and resources!

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 12:53 pm

    And teh Greens are now besties with the Libs.

    One man can changeth the world as we know it!

    Mark has been a very naughty boy!

  271. March 18, 2016 12:57 pm

    guardian,,,,,Only one school has withdrawn from Safe Schools since a review into the anti-bullying initiative thrust the program into the spotlight, and 32 more schools have signed up,,,,,

    # ,, yes teebz, l noticed that on the TV too, the program is `opt-in`, tho the fcuking teabags have tried to `distort` it as a `mandatory-gay-training-program` targeting kids, as l`ve said before, the teabags are really horrid fcuking things

  272. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2016 1:10 pm

    Up until this week it was 6% …

    So it hasn’t changed. There is not a lot of difference between 5.8% and 6% unemployment and it is now back to 5.8% so nothing has changed.

    It was at 4.3% in 2007 until the people on this blog voted for Rudd in 2007

  273. March 18, 2016 1:13 pm

    teabag,,,,,Another example of TB`s bigotry,,,,,

    # ,, Really? ,, How so?

  274. March 18, 2016 1:52 pm

    thenewdaily,,,,,Only Australia failed to improve on any of the six variables and record deterioration in more than three areas.

    Disturbingly, the data shows no progress since Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Treasurer Scott Morrison replaced the hapless Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey last September.

    For the six months from August 2015 to February 2016, gross debt increased by $25.05 billion,,,,,#via.reb

    # ,, chickens coming home to roost for teabags that flushed value-add jobs down the gurgler, sold-off assets that were `levers` they could pull (think-telecom/nbn) as infrastructure based work programs, in favor of a glorified dirt-delivery service and `tourism` dependent on foreign economies ,, #dumb.fcuks

  275. March 18, 2016 2:25 pm

    The Safe Schools review has been released in full. Read it here http://bit.ly/1R2TFhi

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2016 3:06 pm

    For the six months from August 2015 to February 2016, gross debt increased by $25.05 billion

    Well the Coalition tried to do something in their first budget but were called mean and nasty. It does look like the Coalition has given up trying to get the budget back into surplus. And the ALP will never get the budget back into surplus.

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 3:31 pm

    The Safe Schools review has been released in full. Read it here

    Nah … I’ll just wait for the silly comments, sreb … and then use it as a reference manual … 🙂

  278. March 18, 2016 3:31 pm

    Hey dummy, you do realize ,,,,,,,,For the six months from August 2015 to February 2016, gross debt increased by $25.05 billion,,,,,,,,, is the talkbull era (which hasn`t changed from the rabbit era) and has nothing to do with team blib ,, Can you say `imbecile`:-)

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2016 3:38 pm

    and has nothing to do with team blib

    Don’t agree. Rudd/Gillard started a runaway debt truck which cannot be stopped. The Coalition tried to do something in their first budget but it looks like they have given up

  280. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2016 4:42 pm

    “Well, wally, do you agree with the Safe Schools program review findings or not?”

    So you miss the point yet again.

    It has nothing to do with the Review and all to do with you drawing a bizarre correlationship between what someone believes in and how they look.

    And what the fuck has my religion if I have one got to do with the above.

    If I was asked are there an even number of stars in the Universe or an odd number how the fuck would I know ?

    For those same reasons I’m agnostic meaning I prefer not to have an opinion

  281. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2016 4:46 pm

    “..says the dude who`s life`s work is aiding and abetting theft from the poor, ”

    Really………..where’s the proof you fuckwit ?

    And after spending a considerable amount of time doing volunteer work in Cambodia tell me you clinker what have you done for the poor lately ?

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 4:53 pm

    Mmmm slide side tackle … how does this become bigotry …?

    “””Is it just me or does George Christensen come across as a big, fat, lazy, ignorant, slob you wouldn’t invite home? “””

    What’s the difference to this …

    A very pathetic cunt …

    or

    That makes you the pathetic angry a***hole you are everyday

    And this does not answer my questions … very floppy …

    For those same reasons I’m agnostic meaning I prefer not to have an opinion

    Agnostic about what Safe Schools or being a chrystian … or both?

    Simple yes or no would suffice …

    Me – agnostic about a “super being” … Safe Schools … I agree wholeheartedly

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 4:56 pm

    And after spending a considerable amount of time doing volunteer work in Cambodia tell me you clinker what have you done for the poor lately ?

    Do you claim the trip on your tax? Do you preach to the natives?

    Altruism does not sit well with the comments you make on this blog …

  284. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2016 5:05 pm

    No and No

    And get fucked !

  285. Weighty Political Matters permalink
    March 18, 2016 5:09 pm

    Is [George Christensen] just a fat cunt? And should his particular fit-for-Office be promoted to NQ, with Go Clivey!?

  286. March 18, 2016 5:13 pm

    “”The PM Must Realise That Christensen And Co Are The Real Bullies When It Comes To Safe Schools””

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/mark-dreyfus/george-christensen-and-co-are-the-real-bullies-when-it-comes-to-safe-schools_b_9493862.html?utm_hp_ref=au-blog

  287. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2016 5:22 pm

    “”The PM Must Realise That Christensen And Co Are The Real Bullies When It Comes To Safe Schools””

    Really……………….here’s some good old Leftist bullying

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/senator-cory-bernardi-accuses-lefty-totalitarians-of-trashing-his-office-threatening-staff-20160318-gnlwjl.html

  288. March 18, 2016 5:29 pm

    bagz,,,,,says the dude who`s life`s work is aiding and abetting theft from the poor,,,,,

    blubbers,,,,,where’s the proof,,,,,,

    # ,, your `own` claims of being an `accountant`, an industry based on aiding and abetting thieves in stealing from the poorer ,, ,, no, no, you`re not the thief that goes into the store and steals the donation-tin for the homeless beside the cash-register ,, you`re the `assistant` that advises the thief which stores have donation-tins ,, and where the best places to hide`em once they`re stolen ,, you have no fcuking standing on the `ethical` front

    blubbering,,,,,time doing volunteer work in Cambodia,,,,,

    # ,, big fcuking deal, you trot-off to a foreign land occasionally to ease your conscience and show-boat with some mates

    AND,,,,,tell me you clinker what have you done for the poor lately ?,,,,,#in australia

    # ,, Let me guess, you do the full-joolya, you do absolutely nothing about grossly unjust and unfair tax-system as an `accountant` (parasite) just as joolya did nothing on gay-marriage, yet you want to show-boat about occasional off-shore `generosity`, yet do nothing about `continual` poverty creation at home.

    1.get some fcuking ethics

    2.apologize to TB

  289. Tracked Records permalink
    March 18, 2016 6:00 pm

    Really……………….here’s some good old Leftist bullying

    Terrible stuff, and most unChristian; overturning furniture and telling someone of considerable public standing and much repute to leave the House of the People, merely because he occasionally, or daily, demeans and dehumanises some people, and all of them thereby, whilst living off the proceeds of his unrevealed agenda and a portion of their taxes, that is.

  290. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2016 6:13 pm

    “2.apologize to TB”

    Go fuck yourself

  291. Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2016 6:15 pm

    “….tell me you clinker what have you done for the poor lately ?”

    Yeah…….as I suspected of you

    Absolutely fucking diddly squat from you…………fucking hypocrite

  292. March 18, 2016 6:39 pm

    blubbering,,,,,diddly squat from you,,,,,

    # ,, still show-boating l see ,, you forget, l`m one of the bottom 30% or so bumping along the bottom economically ,, one of those that have been junk-jobbed that you get oh so fcuking gleeful when more jobs are trashed ,, tell us genius ,, what do you propose those that battle to stay off the bread-line do for the poor/er ,, WITHOUT CAPACITY

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 7:33 pm

    No and No

    Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you that this very night, before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.”

    Really……………….here’s some good old Leftist bullying

    Would you like to see some good rightist bullying … and they are right whingers … but why bother I don’t hold with violence of any kind … left, right, religious, homophobic, domestic … they’re all dicks …

    How do you know that it was leftist anyway … cause Cory said so … ? I can think of a number of factions that would be violently offended at Bernardi … but no its totalitarian leftists … when its Bernardi who wants to be the totalitarian …

    Wonder how he got on with his grandfather …

    As for the first “no” … why do you object to Safe Schools?

    Gender isn’t a choice … and dealing with bullying about it needs to be dealt with … schools AND parents opt IN … would you want your children to bully someone just because they were different? Bernardi is a bully … he has two sons … what sort of role model is he?

    Another question then raises its ugly head … if you are an agnostic with regard religion … do you agree with the School Chaplain program?

    Because religion IS a choice … religion is a belief as you stated earlier.

    I’ll leave the second “no” to another time …

    (This is called discussing the issue rather than telling people to go and fuck themselves or avoiding direct questions)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    tbagz … thanks … but wally (like a few others here) doesn’t apologize – he’s way to angry and bitter that someone may challenge his privileged (in his mind) status quo …

    Its nice that someone expects an apology for the outburst …

    The Pommie Anglican background amused me tho’ … I went to a CofE primary school … all of six years … I’ve already stated that I wouldn’t accept the fairytales then …

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 7:34 pm

    “….tell me you clinker what have you done for the poor lately ?”

    What have you done for the poor in Australia lately?

    Charity begins at home …

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 8:45 pm

    OK wally … I want to know why you are a NO for Safe Schools …

    I’m only 15 and have already been through hell. I’ve been the victim of really bad homophobic bullying at school.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/nathan-whitmore-makes-a-passionate-plea-to-help-bullying-victims/news-story/289ae8dd31e435b6f28b9232ffa855ce

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 8:46 pm

    I gotta say this … no I’ll wait for wally’s reply!

  297. March 18, 2016 9:50 pm

    If only Safe Schools had been around when I was a boy.

  298. March 18, 2016 9:55 pm

    I probably wouldn’t have taken that overdose and ended up in a coma for 3 days, but heck it’s more important to not offend the dog botherers eh walrus?

    Heaven forbid we infringe upon their rights to inflict their hatred upon others.

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 10:32 pm

    Heaven forbid we infringe upon their rights to inflict their hatred upon others.

    Sorry, sreb, its the totalitarian lefties that do that! Do keep up!

    Shakes head …

  300. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2016 10:32 pm

    Heaven forbid we infringe upon their rights to inflict their hatred upon others.

    Well there wouldn’t be much activity here…

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2016 10:40 pm

    Are you a catlyk, ToM … wally, conveniently (thought he) avoided the question?

  302. Walrus permalink
    March 19, 2016 12:23 am

    “diddly squat from you…………fucking hypocrite”

    And that still stands you total Fucktard !

  303. Walrus permalink
    March 19, 2016 12:42 am

    Are you seriously fucking retarded or something ?

    You total fuckwit I’m agnostic you fucking dickhead

    What the fuck is wrong with you moron?

  304. Walrus permalink
    March 19, 2016 1:03 am


    I probably wouldn’t have taken that overdose and ended up in a coma for 3 days”

    And so do a lot of people

    Short or Fat or Black or Slow or Tall or Birth Marked or Disability

    Don’t give me your bullshit ” I’m gay and everyone hates me crap ”
    And in 2016 I’m bullied

    Bullying is bullying

    Your point ?

  305. Walrus permalink
    March 19, 2016 1:22 am

    My point is it’s about all bullying

    Not just sexuality which the LEFT
    Tried to make it

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2016 9:43 am

    My point is it’s about all bullying

    Not just sexuality which the LEFT Tried to make it

    Then why pick on the Safe Schools program helping non heterosexual kids …

    That’s why Christensen and Bernardi bullied the program and who you leapt to defend …

    Religious thoughts turning into bad behaviour … its not a lifestyle choice … if you believe in a superior being it was her choice!

    What is a lifestyle choice is belonging to a religion – any religion …

    … so why do we have a Christian School Chaplain Service in secular schools …?

    … that should be reviewed …

    And why call me names pathetic cunt … pathetic angry a***hole … bigot … after this single comment …

    “””””Is it just me or does George Christensen come across as a big, fat, lazy, ignorant, slob you wouldn’t invite home?

    And WTF keeps electing him and others like him?”””””

    Or was it that you thought you could bully me? Or didn’t think at all?

    Why do you think I confront you all the time?

    Because I’ve been confronting bullies all my life* … and always will.

    But the hand of friendship is always there.

    (*and I mean ALL my life)

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2016 12:29 pm

    And now for something completely different!

    All I can say is …

    FUCKING FINALLY!

    The IMF now says income distribution matters for growth. “Specifically, if the income share of the top 20% (the rich) increases, then GDP growth actually declines over the medium term, suggesting that the benefits do not trickle down. In contrast, an increase in the income share of the bottom 20% (the poor) is associated with higher GDP growth. The poor and the middle class matter the most for growth,” an IMF discussion paper said.

    The OECD is preoccupied with inclusive growth, too. “The linkages between the productivity and inequality challenges are still to be fully explored,” it said in a paper. “Each may have its own solution, but there is also good reason to think that there is a nexus between them.”

    Slow on the uptake but eventually the “experts” running the show recognise the dreadful Vaccum Economics* destroying society … I hope!

    Now they need to do something about it …

    Here’s a clue … or two …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome

    http://www.techinsider.io/ontario-announces-basic-income-plan-2016-3

    The economy is not about helping people make as much money as possible to lord it over others …

    … the economy should be about improving the way we live with dignity, live stress free and safe and enjoy life as a society and individuals …

    Planning and living has elements of good/bad management and good/bad luck … ask any retired couple caught in the aftermath of the GFC …!

    For people to say I’ve got more than you because I worked for it, fools no-one … except the fools …

    Uber Kapitalism really is an abject failure … thank The Robber Barons … and greed …

    *Trickle Down Economy to the vultures …

  308. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 19, 2016 12:34 pm

    … the economy should be about improving the way we live with dignity, live stress free and safe and enjoy life as a society and individuals …

    Says the man who voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.

  309. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 19, 2016 12:43 pm

    Oh and i forget to mention, interest rates for home loans were at 18% under Keating and people were going under left, right and center.

    We had almost three years of double digit unemployment under Keating, TB’s hero.

    I hope nobody believes anything TB of Queensland says. He would vote ALP if the devil himself was leader.

  310. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 19, 2016 1:22 pm

  311. About All Of Us permalink
    March 19, 2016 6:06 pm

    So, Birmingham & Co‘s all sorted now on talking points for the Broad Church’s agile and innovative socio-ethics syllabus for the 19th Century: change isn’t coming, illiberation is still ideal, no evidence is evidence and belief is too, a political stitch-up isn’t and a cover-up isn’t either, K Thanks & STFU.

    One query, or a few, still, though, Birmo: if (anti-)bullying is (anti-)bullying, and if the core Safe Schools content in question, which is now beyond question, and not beyond question, by everyone except, and especially by, the usual suspects, is simply an educational resource available from the Safe Schools Hub, like every other school-safety-and-wellbeing-related resource of its kind, was and, is available for use by schools and teachers, why the odd digression from basic school safety and wellbeing into a discursion about the inherent perils of religiously-inspired pastoralisms; and why the fabrication of a special set of threshold-escalations, gates-keepings and balance-tippings generally limiting schools and teachers and students just using in classrooms, applying in schools what are basic resources associated with (a) basic school safety and wellbeing issue(s); isn’t that freshly-Government-created circumstance somewhat antithetical to the general and specific school safety and wellbeing objectives immediately rehearsed, and decidedly perverse; particularly for State schools; given that the only available inference(s) to be drawn, other than prevalent operation of sheer prejudice, is that a silent or not-so-silent recitation of an ‘Our Father Who Art’ somehow is good enough grounds for objecting absolutely to actual, on-the-ground provision of an (un)der)acknowledged needful, specific component of general school safety and wellbeing (education), and to Safe(r) Schools; or that effectively (un)de(r)-resourcing (applied) school safety and wellbeing (education) somehow is considered a (dys)functional virtue, which amounts to same thing?

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2016 7:27 pm

    That should convince wally and ToM, M … 😀

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2016 7:29 pm

    WoW! As predicted but that didn’t take long! LOL!

    When is that DD due?

    Oh, dear, Milkum … so amateur …

  314. About All Of Us permalink
    March 19, 2016 7:40 pm

    Respectfully, heaven forbid the co-existence of anyone who would permit the esteem(ing) of everyone. But lo, what rough(ed up) beast slouches towards/away from Canberra?

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2016 7:42 pm

    Meet The Real Bigots

    The changes sharply reduce the lesson content, restrict it to secondary schools, shift the program to a government website, remove all links to other material and sites, and add a requirement that students get parental consent and schools get parent-body consent before opting to use its materials.

    The education minister, Simon Birmingham, said this was a “strong but measured response” to the concerns raised by Christian groups and conservative MPs

    My bold …

    So what about a “strong and measured response” to the SECULAR parents’ and grandparents’ objections to Christian RELIGIOUS School Chaplains????

    Hypocrites!

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2016 7:54 pm

    Nicely “cobbled” together, M … problem is the “haters” won’t read the links …

    What this really demonstrates is the radical right control of the Liberal Party is demonstrably deeper that we could have anticipated … Simon Birmingham is “non-believer” …

    So who is

    1) Puppet Master?

    2) The Puppets?

    Associate one with the above

    The Mad Abbott & The Religious School Bullies

    Milkum TurnAbbout & The Wannabes

    In this destructive, regressive, national charade?

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2016 11:02 am

    HAPPY International Day of Happiness! 😀

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2016 8:08 pm

    Here It Comes Milkum PuppetMan!

    West Australian Premier Colin Barnett says he is a “little surprised” by a ReachTEL poll showing support for the opposition higher than for the government.

    The poll questioned 1248 voters and showed Labor would smash the government if an election were held soon, with the opposition leading by 12 points on a two-party preferred basis.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/barnett-surprised-by-negative-poll-result/news-story/8e235f2d2c9e874a2247093f80f0d01d

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2016 11:14 pm

    MOVIE REVIEW

    The Railwayman

    Must see film …

    TB: ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

    The Minister: ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2016 11:18 pm

    AND the BIGOTS are ToM? WALLY?

    Opposition to the Safe Schools anti-bullying program is rooted in the homophobia and bigotry of some government MPs, Labor and the Greens say.

    The opposition spokeswoman on education, Kate Ellis, said the prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, had capitulated to the “deeply offensive behaviour” shown by some on his backbench.

    “I have no doubt that there are some members of the Liberal and National parties who have displayed homophobic behaviour in recent days and weeks and who have made some utterly disgusting statements,” she told reporters on Sunday.

    The leader of the Greens, Richard Di Natale, went even further in his criticism.

    “This is not some nuanced debate about the sort of program that is being delivered in a school,” he told Sky News. “This is a view based in prejudice, based in homophobia, based in bigotry and it needs to be called out.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/20/coalition-opposition-to-safe-schools-lgbti-program-based-in-homophobia-say-greens

    TurnAbbout The Puppet!

  321. March 21, 2016 12:24 pm

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  322. Tony permalink
    March 21, 2016 8:47 pm

    “Sky News will now have more balance”

    🙂

  323. March 21, 2016 9:48 pm

    Clarice Beckett, Evening, St Kilda Road, 1930

  324. Tony permalink
    March 21, 2016 10:41 pm

  325. March 21, 2016 11:03 pm

  326. Walrus permalink
    March 23, 2016 9:14 am

    “AND the BIGOTS are ToM? WALLY?”

    Seriously, when they were churning out total Fuckwits they reached a never before attained state of perfection when you popped out.

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2016 1:19 pm

    Thou shalt receive in bounty whatever thy sow …

  328. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 23, 2016 1:34 pm

    Thou shalt receive in bounty whatever thy sow …

    So true. 8,000 children locked up just for starters. $15B spent housing all the people the ALP locked up.

    Hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard

    2.4 Mental health impacts of detention

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]

    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides.[75]

    All those 4,313 incidents are on your head TB because you voted for Rudd.

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2016 1:59 pm

    9.Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

    Tut tut …

  330. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 23, 2016 2:03 pm

    Tut tut …

    If you are referring to me, i am telling the truth.

    It is about time Tb you started taking responsibility for your vote. You need to admit to the lives you destroyed because you voted for the worst PM ever, Kevin Rudd.

  331. April 14, 2016 8:53 am

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  332. Walrus permalink
    April 14, 2016 12:49 pm

    And again

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