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Turnbull’s Latest Tax Plan another Gift for Labor

March 30, 2016

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Why settle for one tax when you can have two for twice the price?

That’s the latest thought bubble from the nation’s millionaire Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull who wants Australians to not just pay a Federal Government imposed income tax on your annual earnings, but a State imposed income tax too!

It sounds like a “great big new tax” and it is!  But this time your local State government will ask you to stump up the cash, ostensibly to pay for those luxuries you leaners have come to expect like a basic education and affordable healthcare.

After much ado over whether to increase the GST (or not), or to hike taxes on booze and fags (or not), or clamp down on the nation’s top 20 corporate tax evaders and get them to pay their fair share of tax (heaven forbid), the Federal Government, or at least Malcolm Turnbull, has decided that this whole “taxation reform thing” is simply too much hard work, so he’s offloading it to the States to take care of.  And frankly who can blame him when he has Scott Morrison as Treasurer.

Talking to reporters earlier today, Mr Morrison said:

“You don’t go to the tax supermarket and take every tax off the shelf and put it up as a way of managing the economy.”

No one quite knew what he was on about, but there’s nothing new about that.

Unveiling the new “great big new tax on everything” today, PM Turnbull said that the new initiative was about giving the States more “autonomy” about their income and expenditure, which presumably, is a “good thing” and/or a basic admission that the Federal Government hasn’t got a fucking clue.

The idea of introducing another income tax is likely to be a “hard sell” amongst voters (putting it mildly), and economists have been quick to react to Mr Turnbull’s proposal.

“Enormous Dysfunction”

CPA Australia boss Alex Malley was stunned by the proposal, saying it will create “enormous dysfunction” in Australia.

“It will create more red tape, more taxes, everything this government says it doesn’t stand for,” Mr Malley told The Gutter Trash on Wednesday.

“We are struggling to find how this is a sustainable model for the future,” he said.

“Retrograde and Flawed”

The Tax Institute described it as a “retrograde and flawed” concept.

The institute’s president Arthur Athanasiou said government time and resources would be “far better spent on reforming the present tax system.”

However the editorial team at The Gutter Trash think it’s a great idea and wholeheartedly encourage Mr Turnbull to take it to the Australian people as an official government policy in the lead up to the next election.

 

 

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  1. Walrus permalink
    March 30, 2016 5:05 pm

    What the Fuck is Turnbull smoking ?

    More $$$$$$ for me I suppose.

    Then again maybe not since I’m not taking on any new clients these days unless an existing one falls off their perch.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2016 5:36 pm

    I’m not taking on any new clients these days unless an existing one falls off their perch.

    Funeral Home investments, wally …

  3. March 30, 2016 6:02 pm

    “”More $$$$$$ for me I suppose.””

    That’s what I was thinking. it’s a tax accountant’s dream.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2016 7:03 pm

    I think you meant CPA* sreb …

    I notice that wally is winding down a bit … retiring early is he?

  5. Tabula Rasa On Offer permalink
    March 30, 2016 7:04 pm

    Australian Leaders’ Retreat

    Read the communiqué.”

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2016 7:28 pm

    I think having states take responsibility for raising the revenue they spend is a pretty good idea.

  7. March 30, 2016 7:47 pm

    But what about those States like Tasmania where wages are lower, there’s a higher level of unemployment and limited opportunities for growth, are they just expected to receive substandard levels of healthcare and education?

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2016 7:56 pm

    Has anyone EVER heard a state premier say they’re getting a fair share of commonwealth revenue?

    It is simply about time states had more responsibility for their revenue and expenditure. If all they are is a post box for the federal government – then get rid of them.

  9. March 30, 2016 8:15 pm

    But that means Tasmania would* become the poor impoverished bogan State with no hope of salvation…

    Riddled with crime, poverty and social injustice..

    Are we prepared to standby and just accept that that’s a consequence of govt policy?

    *would officially become…

  10. March 30, 2016 8:35 pm

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  11. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2016 8:43 pm

    If all they are is a post box for the federal government – then get rid of them.

    Or the Federal Government … tear up the Constitution … and we all become Colonies – or countries … but don’t expect to be accepted as refugees or asylum seekers from Victoria into Queensland …

    I think having states take responsibility for raising the revenue they spend is a pretty good idea.

    You really don’t think things through very thoroughly, ToM … flipping about with all these regressive brain farts simply indicates that Turnbull is no brighter than Abbott and Morrison either doesn’t have a clue or he’s not in the loop … just loopy!

    We could have a civil war — other countries do … but then who gets the $200 billion for defence or the F35s … chuckle …

    How many shots to the foot can the Liberals make … especially if their feet are continually in their mouths!

    Gaffe after gaffe after gaffe after gaffe … endless

    Just get on with governing for the country NOT THE BIG END OF FKN TOWN! Milkum!

    Quit trying to Milk us all!

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2016 8:45 pm

    Olympians To Dress As Young Liberals

    And they love the “retro look” apparel -lently (‘scuse 🙂 )

  13. March 30, 2016 11:04 pm

    However,,,,,,the editorial team at The Gutter Trash think it`s a great idea and wholeheartedly encourage Mr Turnbull to take it to the Australian people as an official government policy in the lead up to the next election,,,,,,,,

    # ,, We Certainly Do:-)

  14. March 30, 2016 11:16 pm

    teabag,,,,,getting a fair share of commonwealth revenue?,,,,,

    # ,, somebody might want to consult with nearby cubicles to discover `what` exactly constitutes as `sources` of `commonwealth/federal-revenue`, and may discover it is `mostly` generated by states-based activity, remember witch-bank and telecom are now stock-holder enterprises and federal have much less justification for existence than state/s do #privatization.fever.blow.back

  15. March 30, 2016 11:55 pm

    TB,,,,,We could have a civil war ,, but then who gets ,, the F35s,,,,,

    # ,, The Loser:-)

    ,,,,,How many shots to the foot can the Liberals make ,, especially if their feet are continually in their mouths!,,,,,

    # ,, Yeah this DD (if they actually have the nads) election is looking to maintain crapulence levels of previous elections aint it ,, continue on with the rabbit-regime re-labeled or return to the jooLiar-era under blib (who eventually will have to be knifed) ,, wonderful choices in the crapocracy!

  16. Cth Pty Ltd permalink
    March 30, 2016 11:57 pm

    # ,, We Certainly Do:-)

    Do we?

  17. March 31, 2016 8:35 am

    “”apparel -lently””

    *groan*

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2016 8:57 am

    I’ve heard Daniel Andrews waffle on about what a bad idea it is to give states more responsibility for raising their own revenue.

    That’s about enough to persuade me that it’s worth serious consideration.

    States hate accountability.

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2016 9:01 am

    Now off to Australia’s rainy capital – Brisbane.

    Fortunately I’ll be able to return to sunny Melbourne without having to chance food poisoning at one of the all you can eat “restaurants”

  20. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2016 10:33 am

    I’d have to see the detail before I could be convinced.

    For instance I have a friend who works in a very senior position in HR for a very large Department store which has its HQ in Melbourne.

    Nothing unusual in that you might say …………………….however she actually lives in Sydney. Every Monday morning she jumps on a 6:30am flight to Melbourne and returns on a 5pm flight every Friday. The company pays for her Melbourne flights and accommodation.

    So what state does she pay tax in.

    Or for that matter where would a long haul truck driver Sydney to Melbourne with a back load back to Sydney pay his/her tax ?

    What about an airline’s aircrew ? Where do they pay tax ?

    By all means abolish Health and Education Departments federally but that’s a separate conversation to be had I would have thought.

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 10:41 am

    It is simply about time states had more responsibility for their revenue and expenditure. If all they are is a post box for the federal government – then get rid of them.

    In that case, why do we need a federal government at all? If all responsibility is handed to the states, I think the federal govt is redundant, get rid of them all the federal politicians and we’d save more money.

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 11:40 am

    Good point and examples, wally … my son-in-law has been commuting to Melbourne for a year Monday out Friday back (Project Manager for a new mine) … and here’s an addition to your scenario, next week he will begin flying to the mine site … south of Mt Isa … three on one off …

    As I mentioned earlier a retro step … the colonies could have their own navies too – they used to …

    The problem is the obsession with money instead of service to the country …

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 11:48 am

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/03/30/turnbulls-latest-tax-plan-another-gift-for-labor/#comment-124788

    Interesting snippet from the story above …

    When asked whether the Commonwealth would withdraw from school funding altogether, Mr Turnbull said: “No, not at all”.

    But he did point to the possibility that it could withdraw from funding public schools.

    Are we becoming a franchisee of the Vatican?

    There has to be a hidden agenda for all these balloons to be flying and most of ’em being popped!

    And I keep coming back to the question … why would a multi millionaire want to be PM – who obviously doesn’t know how or really want the job … and the answer is too obvious – he is protecting and enhancing the incomes of himself and the big end of town …

    This latest income tax nonsense is being sold as no higher taxes … so what’s the point?

    Is Milkum TurnAbbout having another Pontius Pilate moment?

    Talcum alright … in fact jelly be more like, it wobbles one way and then the next — fits really well with Tip Custard … another ditherer …

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 11:58 am

    …The Australian can reveal that Dr Jensen secretly used his parliamentary letterhead to seek a publishing deal for what he described as his “controversial” first book, The Sky Warriors, about a fictional war between Australia and a coal­ition of Indonesia and China…

    …And for a Liberal MP who’s being backed by the evangelical Christian Right in the coming preselection vote, the unpublished novel contains some surprisingly graphic sex scenes.

    One of the female protagonists has breasts “as firm as they had been in her late teens” and moans in delight as her married lover gropes “her inner thigh until he felt the warm wetness with his hand”.

    “She pulled his trousers off, ripped the underpants off excitedly, and took him in her mouth,” Dr Jensen writes…

    …I am a Federal Member of Parliament,” he wrote to agent Victoria Gutierrez on his parliamentary letterhead.

    “The contents of this work will be controversial. If it is published then it must be under a pseudonym. The fact that I am the author must remain a closely guarded secre­t, known only to you.”

    When contacted last night, Dr Jensen rejected suggestions he had spent any time on the book after he was elected to parliament in 2004.

    He initially denied marketing the book to agents while a serving MP, but when told of the 2007 letter he admitted he had done so.

    Dr Jensen said he did not want The Australian to publish details of the book because it would be in­appropriate for a federal MP to be writing about a war between Australia and its neighbours.

    “These are not my current thoughts,” said the one-time defence­ analyst and physicist…

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 12:02 pm

    Will this Liberal Party I’m a krystchun farce ever end …?

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2016 12:06 pm

    why would a multi millionaire want to be PM

    You should ask the question of Rudd. Just before the 2007 election it became knowledge that Rudd was going to buy a holiday home on the Gold Coast and pay cash for it. When it was pointed out it would be a bad look for Rudd to pay cash for a multi-million dollar home just before the election he pulled out of the purchase.

    I do think Turnbull is power mad but he may have been bored with the job he had before he entered politics. Politics is an interesting job.

    And it is easy to work out why Labor people enter parliament. They get a higher paying job than they would get as a Union rep.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 12:18 pm

    “Turnbull’s half-baked tax plan – it’s really more about cutting services”

    …This policy thus introduces more incentive to cut revenue, and little incentive to improve services – the incentive on that side is to cut services and shift them onto the private sector.

    That’s fine if you think that is a good result, but let’s not pretend this is about improving government service delivery.

    If you are worried about service delivery, look at service delivery, not at the ability for states to lower taxes.

    If there is a funding issue for services because of an ageing population, then raise more revenue – don’t rearrange how the revenue is raised and hope the magic wand of reduced vertical fiscal imbalance will solve the rest…

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 12:51 pm

    If only we could drag the IPA and murdoch into the criminal court but of course they’d be protected by politicians.

    Exxon Mobil Climate Change Inquiry in New York Gains Allies
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/science/new-york-climate-change-inquiry-into-exxon-adds-prosecutors.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

    …More government officials are asking what Exxon Mobil knew about climate change.

    Attorneys general from Massachusetts and the Virgin Islands announced Tuesday that they would join Eric T. Schneiderman, New York’s attorney general, in his investigation into whether Exxon Mobil lied in decades past to investors and the public about the threat of climate change…

    …Mr. Schneiderman began his investigation in November. His staff is looking at whether statements the company made to investors about climate risks — some as recently as last year — conflicted with the company’s own scientific research.

    Part of that inquiry includes the company’s funding, for at least a decade, of outside groups that worked to dispute climate science, even as its in-house scientists were describing the possible consequences of climate change, along with the areas of uncertainty.

    The company has supplied thousands of documents in response to the inquiry. While the inquiry could be expanded to include other energy companies and trade organizations, none have been named so far.

    Many legal experts have questioned whether the actions and statements by Exxon Mobil can be construed as criminal and outside the protections of the First Amendment.

    Mr. Schneiderman said, “The First Amendment, ladies and gentlemen, does not give you the right to commit fraud.”…

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 1:01 pm

    KL … a certain purveyor of goods causing lung diseases got away with it for years … after they knew too …

    Wouldn’t that be a devastating Royal Commission … protected too … and it is so far reaching it will cause issue for generations

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 1:14 pm

    You should ask the question of Rudd.

    And some of us did … and he too had his wife to blame and a government privatisation scheme …

    However, right now we a have an emperor with no clothes, no idea, and quickly nose diving community support!

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 1:17 pm

    KL … a certain purveyor of goods causing lung diseases got away with it for years … after they knew too …

    While the taxpayers pick up the tab for the devastating health costs of corporate profits, the privatisation of profits with socialisation of the losses. The companies should be sued for the damage they cause to society in selling lethal goods. Perhaps governments should be sued for allowing them to legally operate when they know they are selling death products.

    Black lung disease coming back shows that both corporations and governments are letting people die for their profits.

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2016 1:43 pm

    And some of us did … and he too had his wife to blame and a government privatisation scheme …

    Too funny. But you still voted for Rudd anyway. Rudd did not buy the property for cash before the 2007 election. But he waited and paid cash for a $3M property in 2011

    http://www.domain.com.au/news/kevin-rudd-spends-31-million-on-holiday-house-20110215-1aud8/

    The Rudd family has purchased a holiday house at Castaways Beach, south of Noosa.

    According to the selling agents, Kevin Rudd and his wife, Therese Rein, have chosen well, describing the property as a “stunning contemporary” home. For $3.1 million you would expect nothing less.</i>

    why would a multi millionaire want to be PM

    I don’t know. You tell me?

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 1:48 pm

    that last photo and the details are bloody awful, KL! 100m!

    Wasn’t there a program to close all the unused bores off accessing the Arterial Basin … and Abbott’s lot stopped the funding?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In other “productive” news we have got eight bottles of wine – now racked … tried a sip yesterday – nearly blew my head off and very strong flavour – impressed!

    Grapes (crushed slightly – not mashed), water (from the tank) and sugar!

    No yeast … filtered via organza into the bottles.

    Few weeks and we should be ready for the official tasting …

    And the smell of honey now coming from the hive and the activity tells us that all is going well there too … big flurry of action every couple days – in the afternoon – as the new bees are shown how to fly …

    Queen lays about 1500 a day – they take three weeks to hatch … BUT … bees only live for about six weeks … we should end up with about 60,000 if al works well …

    Maybe some mead on the menu next year?

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 1:50 pm

    I don’t know. You tell me?

    Actually READ and COMPREHEND my comment … I did tell you!

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 2:02 pm

    That’s some very interesting wine and honey making that you are into TB. Would you say that making the wine is pretty easy? Do you use a commercial kit?

    From the crikey newsletter [$]

    CRIKEY SAYS
    You what, Prime Minister?

    Malcolm Turnbull has this morning handed Bill Shorten a ridiculously easy election campaign win. What was he thinking when he told ABC radio that his government wanted to stop funding public (but not private) schools? Was it a slip-up? A thought bubble? Or does he genuinely think it’s a good idea?

    Because he just made the Coalition’s re-election push just that little bit harder.

    Turnbull’s reasoning for continuing to fund private schools, but handing back responsibility for the funding of public education to the states, goes like this:

    “I suspect no federal government would retreat from funding and continuing to support the non-government school sector because there would be a concern that they would not get a fair go from state governments who obviously would have a competing interest with their schools.”

    The taxpayer-subsidised private school sector doesn’t get a fair go? Now that’s a hard sell.

    Labor will have a field day with this proposal — the Liberal PM from Point Piper, whose party is funded and supported by some of Australia’s richest individuals, wants to withdraw funding from the system that educates some its poorest.

    Even Bill Shorten can win votes on that.

    State income tax: a political problem in search of an economic solution
    [bernard keane]

    …Even assuming any benefits, however, state income taxes are still primarily about addressing the political problem of who is accountable for service delivery. Everyone can recite the cliche of the “blame game” (it was Kevin Rudd, back in 2007, who first ran a campaign on “ending the blame game” on health). Turnbull went to great lengths yesterday to emphasise how state income tax would end “this depressing blame game”. “This,” said Turnbull, “is the only way that we can genuinely reform our federation.”

    Except that the GST was supposed to address exactly this issue — in 1998 John Howard promised the GST would “guarantee the revenue we need to support the health, education, police and other services so important for a fair society”. Now, instead, another “growth tax” is needed to again guarantee the revenue we need to support health and education.

    Moreover, the GST didn’t stop the Howard government from dramatically escalating its funding for private schools, from $2.9 billion in 2000 to $6.2 billion in 2007, nearly twice as much as for public schools. This morning, the Prime Minister flagged that the government would continue to fund private schools while handing responsibility for public schools back to the states. A state income tax thus won’t magically erase politics from health and education — two of the most important issues in shaping how people vote. Rather, it will simply adjust the framework within which it is played out.

    State income taxes would probably deliver some modest long-term economic efficiency benefits, but they may not even be as large as the modest efficiency benefits of the now-ruled-out expansion of the GST. Instead, the idea is a political idea, from a government that is increasingly desperate to address the political problem that it lacks a tax reform policy worth the name… [my bold]

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2016 2:25 pm

    Actually READ and COMPREHEND my comment … I did tell you!

    Sounded like you were condemning one side of politics. Rudd is the wealthiest PM this country has ever had. Most of his wealth appears to come from his wife.

    Rudd was advised not to purchase a holiday home for cash just before the 2007 election because it would not be a good like for a Labor PM. And that is just Rudds holiday home not the place where he lives.

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 3:20 pm

    Rudd is the wealthiest PM this country has ever had…

    I think you’ll find it’s turnbull.

    Dutton’s trying another wedge on turnbull on abbott’s behalf. Remember the dead little boy who was washed ashore and made the world cry? Then abbott belatedly offered to take in another 4,400 odd asylum seekers to appear a little human. Turns out we’ve taken in 30 of them and now dutton goes for another disguised turnbull attack after the libs patience with abbott has worn thin and he’s been told to pull his head in.

    A little reminder

    Stuart Littlemore – Institute Of Public Affairs – ABC TV 2001

  38. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2016 3:55 pm

    “……..Then abbott belatedly offered to take in another 4,400 odd asylum seekers to appear a little human. Turns out we’ve taken in 30 of them…………”

    And this is why…………….

    FEARS that terrorists and economic migrants could be entering EU posing as refugees have been raised after Syria issued 10,000 passports in just one month through its embassy in Jordan.

    Lax new rules handed down from Damascus allows passports to be issued abroad with virtually no checks for just £250.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked

    Personally I dont care if we take a big fat ZERO of them if that is what it takes to keep the scum of the Middle East from infecting our superior culture.

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 3:55 pm

    Would you say that making the wine is pretty easy? Do you use a commercial kit?

    Seemed easy:

    … crush the grapes by hand (to split the skins only)

    … let the lot sit in a s/steel pan with a cover over for three days

    … heat some water (2x juice/pulp) and sugar (about 1/2 kilo)

    … add the water/sugar

    … load into two demijohns up with grape crush – skins, fruit, seeds, juice, water and sugar (we borrowed a couple of 5l demijohns from our son)

    … stick airlocks in the d/johns

    … allow it “cook” (bubble through the airlock) for 40 days

    … siphon off into wine bottles

    … rack …

    … wait

    … taste occasionally for “flavour”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Dopey Dutton and Crew really make Australia look like the mean spirited, for the very rich, country we have become … their fear is palpable!

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:01 pm

    Its OUR government, its OUR land, its OUR report and its OUR tax …

    Registered land ownership should not be a tax privacy issue … unless there is something shonky going on …

    WE are entitled to INFORMATION not more OBFUSCATION!

    The federal government’s new register of foreign-owned agricultural land will not be made completely public because of tax privacy laws.

    Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce is keen to deliver on his election promise for more transparency but acknowledges the need to balance privacy issues.

    “I want to see more information than what’s being delivered at the moment, and I’m going to go about the process of making sure that happens,” he said on Thursday.

    A summary list of the register is expected to be tabled on July 2.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/agriculture-land-register-wont-be-public/news-story/2a047e9f78cc87f946853c36f39d9fc7

  41. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:02 pm

    “Seemed easy:”

    Is that a recipe for making your own Vinegar ?

  42. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:04 pm

    I fixed it for you

    “… rack …

    … wait

    … taste occasionally for “flavour”

    … pour entire contents onto garage floor to remove oil stains”

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:06 pm

    Is that a recipe for making your own Vinegar ?

    If it is … it’ll be bloody good vinegar …

    I’d be more concerned about my coal shares, if I were you, as solar begins to take over …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/breaking-news/origin-shares-up-after-nsw-solar-deal/news-story/26ccb030f1c78ac88ddb16ce7f16291e

    BTW, we now own our solar system and getting a return … 😀

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:07 pm

    mmm … someone’s changed the smileys again?

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:09 pm

    … pour entire contents onto garage floor to remove oil stains”

    So negative, wally, and predictable … can you make a cup of coffee?

  46. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:20 pm

    “I’d be more concerned about my coal shares”

    I dont have any 100% coal shares. Besides BHP Billiton or Rio do not rely on coal alone. And even then it depends on whether it Thermal or Coking

  47. March 31, 2016 4:24 pm

    “”… taste occasionally for “flavour”””

    TB creating “wine” is like a crime against humanity.

    Haven’t we suffered enough?

  48. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:28 pm

    “Haven’t we suffered enough?”

    I think his aim is to sell it and poison the entire Catholic Church

  49. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2016 4:29 pm

    “”… taste occasionally for “flavour”””

    Even Hemlock has flavour

  50. March 31, 2016 5:01 pm

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  51. March 31, 2016 5:01 pm

    “”… taste occasionally for “flavour”””

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  52. Walrus permalink
    March 31, 2016 5:12 pm

    “”… taste occasionally for “flavour”””

    Perhaps he meant…………..

    “…..taste for occasional flavour”

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 5:26 pm

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 5:27 pm

    *snap* reb 😆

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 5:35 pm

    “But fundamentally, he is a cherry on top of a compost heap”

    Pure Keating magic … he should do standup (still) …

    And you can giggle all you want about my wine – ’cause you won’t get a fkn drop! 🙂

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 5:44 pm

    That’s blewett in the background.

    Cheryl kernot dropped in and mark di stef wondered if hers was a parody twitter a/c – no, it was her

    the fans got teary

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 5:55 pm

    It would have been a nice afternoon out!

  58. March 31, 2016 5:56 pm

    ’cause you won’t get a fkn drop!

    There is a god!

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2016 6:23 pm

    I think you’ll find it’s turnbull.

    Apparently Rudd is worth more than $200M mainly because of his wife. I doubt if Turnbull is worth that much.

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 6:38 pm

    Apparently Rudd is worth more than $200M mainly because of his wife

    Turnbull is worth more than $200M

    Is it rudd or his wife that earned the money? Because if you’re saying they are one and the same, then pollies should not be allowed to say they know nothing about what their wife’s assets, stocks & shares/financial portfolios when filling in their pecuniary interests register. It should be counted as combined income.

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 6:47 pm

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/malcolm-turnbull-the-member-for-net-worth-20150917-gjou0j#ixzz44Sq5R7Ui

    [2015]…An inspection of the new Prime Minister’s register of member’s interests shows a diverse portfolio conservatively worth about $200 million, spread across investment classes Australia and the world over…

    [2010] Malcolm Turnbull only MP to make Top 200 on rich list
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/politics/malcolm-turnbull-only-mp-to-make-top-200-on-rich-list/story-e6frgczf-1225871756887

    …The member for Wentworth remains the only parliamentarian on BRW’s Rich 200 with a net worth of $186m, thanks largely to rising markets…

    …The magazine estimates Kevin Rudd and wife Therese Rein’s worth at $56m, well below the $180m rich list cut-off, but enough to skew his side’s figures too…

  62. Vestment Opportunities permalink
    March 31, 2016 7:14 pm

    Grog’s Gamut: “This policy thus introduces more incentive to cut revenue, and little incentive to improve services – the incentive on that side is to cut services and shift them on to the private sector.”

    Di Natale: “The Abbott/Turnbull government has taken Australia’s hospitals to the edge of a funding cliff that will decimate the health system and its only proposal for dealing with this issue is to dump the problem entirely on the states and territories in a desperate act of political cowardice,” he said.”

    No, that’s not an agenda, or the only possible overt, covert, or latent proposal. Having gratuitously subsidised an unnecessary alternative to the universal public health system, the next step is to foster declining public health system performance, and then lower barriers to exit by offering clients a contrived choice in a pseudo-competitive marketplace between Private Health Inc and Medicare Redeformed, until States deduce that it’s more efficient to exit direct healthcare delivery. Likeways, it’s best to encourage an artificial choice between anti-Gonski State and subsidised Private schools, with Charter schools and education vouchers as an interim measure, until all ex-State schools can be effectively privatised. Ditto VET, Universities, Disabilities and Aged Care, etcetera, etcetera. Done Right, only the illusion of (a) government(s)-provided welfare (safety net) will be left, and all public goods and services can be delivered accountably by a well-regulated, lowered(-thence-raised)-barrier-to-entry, for-profit market-place seeking economies-of-scale, operating on a trans-State and/or trans-national basis, and still drawing down on the public purse, one way or another, wherever and whenever it requires assistance to achieve demos-popular, socially-agreed objectives. Or, something utopian/dystopian like that.

    ———————————————————

    Its OUR government, its OUR land, its OUR report and its OUR tax … Registered land ownership should not be a tax privacy issue … unless there is something shonky going on … WE are entitled to INFORMATION not more OBFUSCATION!

    The Age of Entitlement is over; information is a valuable commodity, not a right!

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 7:39 pm

    Lesson: Never get in the way of boomer fans and Paul Keating.

    And there is a reason for that!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There is a god!

    So sayeth King Tut! And don’t you fkn forget it!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I doubt if Turnbull is worth that much.

    So prove it … don’t just doubt it … you’ll become a wally!

    Even ToM provides links (sometimes) …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Meta, there is (has always been – something I noted on my trips overseas) a disturbing similarity between Western governments’ policies … and what is even more disturbing it is GOVERNMENTS not political parties … the Western World is controlled by a hidden cartel!

    I wonder who … ?

    The USA is crumbling as a nation as the lifeblood is sucked from it (this time internally) … the poor buggers fought an awful and bloody War of Independence over the same blood sucking by George III …

    And you wonder why kids no longer learn history?

    Australia may be an exciting place at the moment (questionable) … but is certainly a frightening place, STILL, for Baby Boomers … our lifetimes have been pockmarked by wars and potential wars … and it ain’t got no better, man! Thanks USA!

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 7:54 pm

    Just had a tasting! Even The Minister for War Water Finance & Fun … had a WOW that’s pretty good look on her face … and had another fkn drink!

    She always thought we didn’t put enough sugar in … I can assure you (sugar increases the alcohol content) there is enough! Blown away! Eat yer heart out wal and sreb!

    KABOOM!

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2016 8:10 pm

    …The magazine estimates Kevin Rudd and wife Therese Rein’s worth at $56m, well below the $180m rich list cut-off, but enough to skew his side’s figures too…

    I did a google search before i said Rudd and his wife were worth more than $200M.

    http://www.executivestyle.com.au/therese-rein-selfmade-millionaire-hits-big-time-1z5ke

    FORMER prime minister Kevin Rudd may no longer be A-list material, but his wife Therese Rein today joins one of the most exclusive clubs of all.

    At $210 million, she elbows her way onto the Business Review Weekly Rich 200 list at 199.

    That $56M figure for Rudd and his wife cannot be true.

  66. March 31, 2016 8:13 pm

    “She always thought we didn’t put enough sugar in …””

    I rest my case.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 8:32 pm

    I rest my case.

    Wrong again sunshine … she likes it! She usually likes sweet, bubbly, strawberry shite! (or fkn Mumm!) Extreme tastes … that’s why she married me!

    Your doin’ a wally on me …

    How you and wally can be wine experts without a taste astounds me … no it doesn’t … I’m surprised you won’t vote for the 1% TurnAbbout tho’ … 😀

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 8:33 pm

    wordpress really have rooted up the smileys .. does TurnAbbout own them?

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 8:34 pm

    You’re doin’ a wally on me …

    Get fkd ToM!

  70. March 31, 2016 8:45 pm

    teabag,,,,,,,heard Daniel Andrews waffle on about what a bad idea it is to give states more responsibility for raising their own revenue. That`s about enough to persuade me that it`s worth serious consideration. States hate accountability,,,,,

    # ,, the last thing the nation needs is seven whining premiers bleating about `their` apparent responsibilities, so l`m sure they will eventually conclude under talkbulls proposed brainfart that out-saucing state-revenue `collection` will done by the local cmfu2

  71. March 31, 2016 8:57 pm

    “”How you and wally can be wine experts without a taste astounds me … “”

    Let’s just say that we have a keen understanding of provenance.*

    *A concept that may well be alien to ppl living in QLD..

    #justsayin

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 9:02 pm

    *provenance*

    The sudden change from Hobart to Melburnian wine expert!

    LOL!

    BTW I really am astounded at the taste …

  73. March 31, 2016 9:09 pm

    blubbers,,,,,6:30am flight to Melbourne and returns on a 5pm flight every Friday,,,,,

    1. a system full of `innovation` and `intelligent-people` would have tax-paid in the `state-earned`

    2.a system of `lesser` intelligence and lesser innovation would have tax-paid in the state they reside

    # ,, So we all know its `option-2`, Right Folks:-)

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2016 9:37 pm

    Looks like we are in trouble

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2016/3/31/economy/brace-yourselves-credit-rating-downgrade

    Australia is one of 11 economies with a AAA credit rating. In the Asia-Pacific region, only Singapore and Canada rate as highly.

    But with federal budget deficits set to raise Australia’s public debt until into the next decade according to Treasury forecasts, it is not a matter of if but when the nation’s creditworthiness will be downgraded.

    In the wake of the 2008-10 global financial crisis, Australia experienced one of the fastest rises in public debt in the world because of historically large federal budget deficits that served no positive macro-economic purpose.

    I think the next election will be a good one to lose.

  75. March 31, 2016 9:38 pm

    blubbers,,,,,,,Personally I dont care if we take a big fat ZERO of them if that is what it takes to keep the scum of the Middle East from infecting our superior culture,,,,,,

  76. La Dolce Vita permalink
    March 31, 2016 9:53 pm

    (Mmmm. I was led to believe that ‘artisanal’ wine(s and ’boutique’ wineries) was a ‘sensational’ thing for ‘select’ quaffers (and providential (market-)makers), yielding ‘exceptional’ experiences from ‘extraordinary’ provenance(s).)

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 10:31 pm

    # ,, So we all know its `option-2`, Right Folks:-)

    Sarc … well done!

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2016 10:33 pm

    Exactly, Meta! Send me your address! 😀

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 31, 2016 10:50 pm

    nah, there’s no need for a federal ICAC or a RC into corporate corruption. We only need faith and trust in our excellent systems of governance 🙄

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/unaoil-scandal-draws-in-worleyparsons-peter-gregg-20160330-gnuqas.html#ixzz44Tmxpxgv

    …More Australians have been implicated in the growing scandal over corruption in the oil industry as the FBI joins forces with British and Australian police to investigate revelations of a huge global bribery racket.
    Backed by US Department of Justice anti-corruption prosecutors, the UK National Crime Agency, the Australian Federal Police and the FBI have launched investigations in response to a Fairfax Media-Huffington Post expose of widespread graft and bribery…

    http://www.smh.com.au/interactive/2016/the-bribe-factory/day-2/leighton-feature.html

    Senator Arthur Sinodinos’ complaints rejected by NSW Electoral Commission
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/senator-arthur-sinodinos-complaints-rejected-by-nsw-electoral-commission-20160331-gnvbr4.html#ixzz44TqcSZyW

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 10:29 am

    “The Commission is not prepared to retract its decision or any part of its statement or summary of facts,” said the letter to Mr Sinodinos’ lawyers Arnold Bloch Leibler

    KABOOM! Arty!

  81. April 1, 2016 10:40 am

    The Commission is not prepared to retract its decision or any part of its statement or summary of facts,”

    WOW!

  82. Walrus permalink
    April 1, 2016 10:44 am

    “………… in the state they reside

    # ,, So we all know its `option-2`, Right Folks:-) ”

    Clearly you have no idea as to how the ATO defines “residency”

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2016 11:01 am

    Spiv Sinodinos is emblematic of the liberal party. Its main occupation seems to be providing benefits to clients of Photios and Campbell.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 11:02 am

    wally, I think tbagz was agreeing with us …

    # ,, So we all know its `option-2`, Right Folks:-)

    tbagz can correct me … but see the 🙂 on the end of the sentence? … I took that to mean he was sarcing/joking … ie there is no “correct” answer …

    … in other words its the whole brain fart concept is a joke …

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 11:04 am

    g’day sb, I say we have a civil war (we fight everyone else’s) and start again … 😉

  86. Walrus permalink
    April 1, 2016 11:20 am

    “wally, I think tbagz was agreeing with us … ”

    The problem with tbagz is you need to run everything he says thru a fucking Enigma Machine.

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 11:47 am

    Chuckle! For the uninitiated!

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2016 11:58 am

    This link is brought to you by Walrus, TB, Reb, AO, TomR and all the deadbeats who voted for Rudd in 2007

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/breaking-news/aofm-sells-800m-of-treasury-bonds/news-story/70ac6f60f2582da8b044b538c6e0631f

    The Australian government has sold $800 million of November 21, 2020, Treasury bonds.

    The Australian Office of Financial Management (AOFM), which conducts bond auctions on behalf of the government, said the bonds were sold for a weighted average yield of 2.0315 per cent.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2016 1:25 pm

    TB thinks Rawson’s Retreat is upmarket (classy – it’s bottled!)

    No doubt his home brew will meet his personal taste requirements!

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 1:26 pm

    what’s your point, neel? Or did someone tell you to write it?

  91. Walrus permalink
    April 1, 2016 1:34 pm

    “The Australian government has sold $800 million of November 21, 2020, Treasury bonds.”

    So what ???????????

    That could just be a rollover at a lower yield than previously

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2016 1:41 pm

    what’s your point, neel? Or did someone tell you to write it?

    The point is we are doomed. The Rudd/Gillard govt started a runaway debt truck which most probably cannot be stopped.

    Worse for Australia is that 70% of any debt we accumulate is foreign

  93. Walrus permalink
    April 1, 2016 1:59 pm

    “The point is we are doomed”

    Ok…..well here……………… You better call these people

    https://www.beyondblue.org.au/

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 2:09 pm

    …Worse for Australia is that 70% of any debt we accumulate is foreign..

    Far worse for australians is the private debt burden that has accumulated since the corporations took over government.

    How Australian households became the most indebted in the world
    Philip Soos

    …The rapid rise of capital city house prices in the past two years has propelled Australia past Denmark with a ratio of 123.08% debt to GDP, analysis show…

    …Government, the FIRE sector (finance, insurance and real estate) and the mainstream economics profession deny the existence of a real estate bubble, but Australia’s economic history demonstrates they occur repeatedly, with all signs pointing to one today.

    Contrary to the analyses of the vested interests, the data clearly establishes Australia is in the midst of the largest housing bubble on record…

    …Captured by neoliberal ideology and the FIRE sector, government has no interest in stopping this immensely profitable yet dangerous gravy train, having enriched the already wealthy beyond avarice through privatisation of unearned economic rents rather than productive activity..

    Household debt the big threat to Australian economy
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/household-debt-the-big-threat-to-australian-economy/5435844

    Household debt dwarfs government debt

    One economist who is prepared to say whether that is sustainable is Steve Keen.

    He says rising private debt is a much bigger problem than yearly government deficits and overall government debt.

    “Government debt is trivial in this country. It’s of the order of 12 to 14 per cent of GDP in net terms, whereas household debt is of the order of 100 per cent of GDP,” he observed.

    “Now that interest rates have been dropped as low as they have by the RBA [Reserve Bank of Australia], household speculators are diving into the mortgage market once more and driving up household debt levels.”

    Adjusted for inflation, that is the highest level since 1988, and the equivalent of $80,000 per person.

    David Skutenko from the Australian Bureau of Statistics says the figure is not just high in historical terms, but by global standards our debt burden is among the highest in the developed world…

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 2:12 pm

    oops sorry, i didn’t give a link to the first article above

    How Australian households became the most indebted in the world
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/15/how-australian-households-became-the-most-indebted-in-the-world

    Bizarre Tax Debate Not About Economics
    http://adelaidereview.com.au/opinion/politics-opinion/bizarre-tax-debate-not-economics/#.Vv27VbuYBFF.twitter

    …”Other areas of the economy have a much higher priority than slipping a few dollars a week to those paying personal income tax or to companies that seemingly go nowhere near paying their fair share of tax.”…

    …At the current stage of the business cycle and the budget deficit blowing out fiercely under the policies of the Abbott and Turnbull governments, now is not the time to contemplate income and company tax cuts. There is no evidence of people leaving Australia in droves because of Australia’s income tax structure, nor are firms closing down their Australian operations because the company tax rules and rates are so oppressive.

    On the contrary.

    Net immigration remains strongly positive – it seems the tax system is not a deterrent for these new Australians. So too with new business start-ups, which according to Dun & Bradstreet data, reached a record high during 2015.

    All of which shows the bizarre debate about tax cuts from Turnbull and Treasurer Morrison is not about economics, but rather is about a Tea Party ideology that taxes should always be lowered. It is not good policy in the current circumstances…

    Income Tax: Back to 1915 with Malcolm Turnbull
    http://enpassant.com.au/2016/03/30/income-tax-back-to-1915-with-malcolm-turnbull/

    …AUSTRALIA FIRST had Commonwealth and State income taxes in 1915. It is a special type of conservative leader who can propose taking us back a century and claim it is a visionary policy, something for the future. It is nothing of the sort…

    Abbott’s Turnbull’s faceless men of the IPA: MIKE SECCOMBE
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/05/31/abbotts-faceless-men-the-ipa/1401458400

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 2:25 pm

    Health fund pay to make you sick: Michael Pascoe
    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/health-fund-pay-to-make-you-sick-020849151.html

    …From a public relations point of view, the timing certainly wasn’t good. In the same week that private health insurance premiums rise by 5.6 per cent, it’s been disclosed the new CEO of Medibank, our biggest health insurer, will have a potential annual pay packet of $6 million – 200 per cent more than his predecessor took home last year.

    And that predecessor himself scored a massive pay rise just by being CEO when Medibank was privatised and listed on the stock market in 2014. I guess Medibank CEOs can afford to pay their own private health insurance.

    Perhaps with a sub editor’s sense of mischief, the Australian Financial Review reported the appointment of the new boy, Craig Drummond, with the headline “Medibank CEO to tackle high costs”. Looks like excessive CEO pay isn’t considered a cost.

    There are two stories here: one about rising health insurance premiums, the other about on-going excessive and unwarranted CEO pay in the private sector.
    The one sure winner from the privatisation of a government corporation (e.g. Medibank, Telstra, Qantas et al) or de-mutualisation of a mutual (AMP, St George Building Society, NIB) is the CEO.
    The same job paying a merely rich salary in government or mutual ownership one day is suddenly worth a multiple of that the next.

    It’s a powerful incentive for ambitious but not necessarily especially talented managers to seek out a potential privatisation or demutualisation target and agitate for the change that will so generously reward them.
    And it’s an indictment of the boards that meekly go along with the idea that the CEO of a company listed on the stock market must be paid a vastly more than someone doing the same job at a non-listed entity…

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 2:27 pm

    Morgan Poll Updated Today April 1 ALP increases support in all Australian States
    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sogt5f?new_post=true

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 3:19 pm

  99. April 1, 2016 3:35 pm

    Turnbull: it is withdrawn, it is no longer a proposal…there will be no state levying of income tax..

  100. April 1, 2016 3:35 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 4:15 pm

    It was all just an april fool’s joke!

  102. Walrus permalink
    April 1, 2016 4:32 pm

    “…The rapid rise of capital city house prices in the past two years has propelled Australia past Denmark with a ratio of 123.08% debt to GDP, analysis show…”

    That analysis is bullshit as it uses a 100% fully drawn debt facility to measure household debt i.e. Homeowner who are $100,000 ahead on their mortgage of $500,000 are treated as still having a $500,000 mortgage

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 5:11 pm

    So there! >:D

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 5:13 pm

    smileys are emojis?

    😀

  105. April 1, 2016 6:00 pm

    the,,,,whole brain fart concept is a joke,,,,

    # ,, and now dropped/cancelled

    tbagz,,,,was agreeing with us,,,,#tick

    run,,,,everything he says thru a fucking Enigma,,,,#guffaw:-) Well done!

    ,

    no,,,,idea as to how the ATO defines `residency`,,,,AND,

    ie,,,,there is no `correct` answer,,,,

    # ,, if the brainfart went thru, `state/s` would define `residency` via the nsw-TO, tas-TO, qld-TO, etc and ,, after much expensive taxpayer-funded research to consider the `options` ,, We all know they would choose the `worst` one:-)

  106. April 1, 2016 6:44 pm

    on-going,,,,excessive and unwarranted CEO pay in the private sector. The one sure winner from the privatisation of a government corporation (e.g. Medibank, Telstra, Qantas et al) or de-mutualisation of a mutual (AMP, St George Building Society, NIB) is the CEO. The same job paying a merely rich salary in government or mutual ownership one day is suddenly worth a multiple of that the next. It’s a powerful incentive for ambitious but not necessarily especially talented managers to seek out a potential privatisation or demutualisation target and agitate for the change that will so generously reward them,,,,,

    # ,, which also often results in `consumer-rip-offs` and deterioration or disappearance of down-stream jobs, none of which is in the national interest, so much stuff has gone down the chute under the teabag-cult that both teams belong to

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 7:10 pm

    Re Boo comment …

    we have a CEO of Australia Post whose slashed deliveries, increased prices and earns $4.8 million for our for a worst letter service in my lifetime! …

    And $2 million of the $4.8 million was “donated” to the Islamic Museum … FFS! Run by his brother! FFS!

    Why would taxpayers donate $2 million to another fairytale fkn religion!

    And nothing is said or done!

    Because PROFIT is more important than SERVICE for a government agency … and this was set up by Rudd … and then condoned by Abbott and TurnAbbout …

    And because “letters” and “parcels” (the bit that makes a fortune!) are now “separate” “profit centres” … not communications “services” …

    Yes MILKUM we do SPEND too much … on a fkn Muslim managing director and group CEO of Australia Post and his fkn Islamic Museum brother … brother!

    Employ an ADULT who doesn’t believe in any fairytales … ie NO catlyks either!

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 7:12 pm

    That could just be a rollover at a lower yield than previously

    We’d better stop meeting this way, wally … 🙂

  109. Neilof Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2016 7:21 pm

    Far worse for australians is the private debt burden that has accumulated since the corporations took over government.

    Why? Most private debt is job creating.

  110. April 1, 2016 7:30 pm

    More,,,,,Australians have been implicated in the growing scandal over corruption in the oil industry as the FBI joins forces with British and Australian police to investigate revelations of a huge global bribery racket,,,,,

    # ,, don`t fret armchair, it won`t go anywhere, just as the `oil-4-food`/awb corruption was swept under the lino, we may as well just declare the corporates lily-white, (along with conniving govt/s) and get back to head-kicking the working-class and poor.

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 8:11 pm

    …we have a CEO of Australia Post whose slashed deliveries, increased prices and earns $4.8 million for our for a worst letter service in my lifetime! …

    …Because PROFIT is more important than SERVICE for a government agency … and this was set up by Rudd … and then condoned by Abbott and TurnAbbout …

    That was turnbull’s direct portfolio, Communications.

    The installed CEO did what they all do, close branches, lots of retentions/job losses and decrease in services. It’s too hard for australian CEO’s to think innovatively, they only know how to slash and burn and then after ruining the service, they hold their hand out for their $million wage.

    Remember when Turnbull came on TV to announce the new AP policy of not delivering letters every day, having a 2nd class system, we will only have mail delivery a couple of times a week and the sky rocketing parcel costs?

    Gotta make a profit, who cares about service to the community.

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 8:14 pm

    # ,, don`t fret armchair, it won`t go anywhere, just as the `oil-4-food`/awb corruption was swept under the lino, we may as well just declare the corporates lily-white, (along with conniving govt/s) and get back to head-kicking the working-class and poor.

    Or spend millions on hobbling the unions, ‘cos that’s where ALL the corruption is!

  113. Neilof Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2016 8:19 pm

    Gotta make a profit, who cares about service to the community.

    Times do change. When is the last time you have posted a letter? I used to pay my bills by cheque years ago, now i do it by bpay

    But $4.8M for a salary for anyone is insane. I bet you the CEO of Australia Post is paid a lot more than the same guy overseas.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2016 10:02 pm

    neel, sorta gets it but the ideology (brainwashing) keeps sucking him down …

  115. April 1, 2016 10:16 pm

    close branches,,,,lots of retentions/job losses,,,,

    # ,, retrenchments;-)

    Turnbull,,,,came on TV to announce the new AP policy of not delivering letters every day, having a 2nd class system, we will only have mail delivery a couple of times a week and the sky rocketing parcel costs,,,,(which is why they`re so tetchy in bananaland over aust-post, safari-suits with matching socks are only available by mail-order catalog now-a-days) yet the teabags will continue to `degrade` things until ultimate destructions, all the while calling the degrading an `achievement`, that`s `cult` mentality folks, and having both teams loaded with flat-planet cat-licks will never help either

    ,,,,smileys are emojis?,,,,

    # ,, whatever they are, they suck, word-press got too fcuking cute on that one ,, l just do the old plain:-) text;-) smiley without leaving the leading space to defeat word-press teebz;-)

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 11:07 pm

    # ,, retrenchments

    yes, didn’t notice!

    😳

  117. April 1, 2016 11:34 pm

    ideology,,,,,(brainwashing) keeps sucking him down,,,,,

    # ,, As long as the teabags keep serving shit sandwiches, there will always be those who will gobble them down and declare them delicious.

    wink;-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2016 11:41 pm

    Malcolm’s been there before, everything old is new again.

    It’s a big cut & past because one of the twitter commenters said the link is paywalled [you can get around it though]

    Laurie Oakes: A very messy state of play
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/laurie-oakes-a-very-messy-state-of-play/news-story/65ddfb74fbdbef43ec90abf37f5e7a31

    …WHEN prime minister Malcolm Fraser unveiled a proposal to return some income-taxing power to the states in 1976 he faced fierce critics, but few fiercer than Malcolm Turnbull.

    The young Turnbull wrote of Fraser’s plan: “It is nothing more than a cunning attempt to offload millions of dollars worth of government expenditure back on to the states without giving them any means, other than imposing an income tax, of raising the extra revenue needed.”

    States were not so much being sold a pup, Turnbull ­argued, as being given “a large, extremely hungry and undoubtedly treacherous hound”.

    Now, having himself unleashed the same hound, Turnbull can hardly be surprised at the response. Bill Shorten is stealing his lines, and doing it very effectively indeed.

    Shorten has also been making deadly use of the “No double taxation” slogan employed against Fraser by Turnbull’s mentor and one-time business partner, the late Neville Wran…

    …Wran’s “double taxation” scare was a factor, as it was again two years later when his government smashed the Liberals in what became known as the “Wranslide”.

    Fraser’s legislation to allow states to impose an income tax surcharge sat on the books, unused, for decades.

    Seeing it as electoral poison, no premier would touch it with a barge poll.

    Yet along came Turnbull last Wednesday with a similar proposal for a state income tax piggybacking on the federal one, just three months out from a likely double dissolution federal poll.

    Shorten and the Opposition thought it was Christmas. Some in the Coalition wondered if their leader was crazy.

    Tony Abbott, when the idea came across the prime ministerial desk during his tenure, kiboshed it instantly.

    Crazy or not, Turnbull certainly showed himself to be brave. Perhaps “crazy brave” is the appropriate label.

    By his willingness to make income-taxing power for the states an election issue, Turnbull dramatically shot down the claim he is Abbott-lite, with no real policies of his own.

    Crazy or not, Turnbull certainly showed himself to be brave. Perhaps “crazy brave” is the appropriate label…

  119. April 2, 2016 12:19 am

    l don`t think talkbull`s brainfart had any chance in hell armchair, even tho the jonestown garden-gnome jumps to every `talkbullism`, even he would have backed-out once state-based minimalist-govt teabags would have realized they would need a state-tax office, or massive expansion of state treasury workforce to run it, could you imagine a complete teabag-panic meltdown if one state decided to no longer allow dog-clubs to be tax-free, the state would tax them, then the dog-club would have to run to the feds for the `refund` under `federal` tax-free status, oh what a fcuking (entertaining) mess it would be:-) #brain.farts

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 2, 2016 12:38 am

    Have the racists and the bigots claimed the AFL? If this is an example of aussie pride these days, I’m happy to be unAustralian.

    AFL season 2016: Eddie wants life ban for people behind anti-Muslim banner
    http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-season-2016-eddie-wants-life-ban-for-people-behind-antimuslim-banner-20160401-gnwlc2.html#ixzz44a7XWi8p

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2016 9:35 am

    There’s the CFMEU, in your face, out in the open, hard headed confrontation …

    … and a Royal Commission led by a prejudiced dodderer of the Liberal Party incapable of reading emails … with outcomes that are a nonsense and thrown out of any court they’ve landed in … especially the court of public opinion …

    And then there’s sneaky backroom deception, lies and cheating … followed up by outraged denial and legal bravado … owned by MALfunction’s “advisor” the Artful “Dodger” Sinodinos …

    Demonstrating that the setting up of a Federal ICAC for $100,000,000 would have been better value than setting up a RC on Unions …

    … both of the political plays above “masterly” buggered up by a political party desperate to stay in power by any means possible and hell bent on destroying any possible barrier to the big end of town raping the purses of ordinary working people …

    A class war is underway … a self fulfilling prophecy of the Liberal Party … whose actions (and inactions) are now showing the younger generations … and many of those “swinging voters” just how the sleazy world of big business corporate governance really works … and how we are “ownd” and controlled by the greed of the One Percenters!

    Why would a multi-millionaire want to be Prime Minister and invest in the Cayman Islands rather than in his own country?

    It is possible the NSW Electoral Commission’s stance will force change to all such trusts and foundations, if the NSW party has to concede that the FEF is not actually an independent freedom-minded charitable donor. It has already highlighted, yet again, the need for a federal anti-corruption body.

    And that just happens to be exactly what the Senate crossbench is demanding be considered before it will allow the re-establishment of the building and construction industry corruption watchdog – a goal Malcolm Turnbull says is so important that if the Senate refuses it necessitates taking the whole nation to a double-dissolution election.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/02/a-tale-of-two-charitable-foundations-and-a-flood-of-donations-to-the-liberals

  122. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 2, 2016 10:14 am

    yet the teabags will continue to `degrade` things until ultimate destructions,

    Times change. People rarely use mail anymore. Why have a daily service for something that is not used? Same goes for banking. Years ago most people went to the bank on Fridays, filled out a withdrawal slip and got some cash to spend on the weekend. I have not been inside a bank for at least a year. If i need some cash i get it from the checkout when i shop at Aldi.

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2016 5:25 pm

    Speaking of Federal Government spending … how much as China and Malaysia paid towards Australia’s search costs for MH370?

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2016 9:12 am

    This may not be true for long if the ALP gets back in

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/04/03/no-asylum-seeker-children-left-in-detention.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=56ffd3f104d3015fca6b0d7b&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

    There are no asylum seeker children in Australian detention for the first time in a decade, after the last one was released from Darwin’s Wickham Point detention centre on Friday night.

    It marked the first time since Kevin Rudd came to power in 2007 that there have been no asylum seeker children held in detention in Australia……The number of children in detention peaked at almost 2000 in July 2013 and still stood at more than 1000 when the coalition came to power.

  125. April 3, 2016 2:13 pm

    Did `our` team-repug notice that the Kiwis voted on a `new` national table-cloth this week, and it got trounced, the Kiwis decided to stick with their red-star, jack-corned on blue, old table-cloth, what amount$ of kiwi-taxpayer hard-earned was tossed on the bonfire for that little exercise??

  126. April 3, 2016 2:31 pm

    rabbit,,,No cuts to health,,,

    rabbit,,,No cuts to education,,,

    rabbit,,,No cuts to my abc,,,

    talkbull,,,No cuts to announcables,,,

    talkbull,,,No cuts to brainfarts,,,

    talkbull,,,No cuts to backdowns,,,

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2016 4:28 pm

    MALfunction …

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 3, 2016 5:12 pm

    This may not be true for long if the ALP gets back in…</i.

    Is it true now?

    Has it only been 3 years of a ilberal Government? Haven't people suffered enough?

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2016 5:38 pm

    Good job the ADF can’t form a union, hey? 2% pay rise AND reduced work conditions …

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2016 5:42 pm

    And how much did they spend on those border farce medals? $10 million?

    While we do have a revenue problem in Australia … we certainly have a problem with spending … wasteful government spending …

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2016 6:02 pm

    I have always believed you find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say. And Labor will do it again if they get back into power. So this needs to be repeated

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/last-children-released-from-australian-detention-centres/news-story/db28676fea626281162f8960168449e5

    EVERY child locked up in Australian immigration detention centres is free for the first time since Labor’s shameful ­record of 8469 kids being ­incarcerated under Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard.

    8469 kids locked up by Labor. That is a record that will be hard to beat.

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 3, 2016 6:38 pm

    I have always believed you find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say. And Labor will do it again if they get back into power. So this needs to be repeated

    You certainly do.

    In this case we find out Dutton is a devious and manipulative liar, using the world’s most vulnerable people to play his cynical political games. Not a shred of decency in the man.

    This also needs repeating

    Asylum seeker children still in detention despite claims all have been released
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/03/asylum-seeker-children-still-in-detention-despite-claims-all-have-been-released?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …The government has reclassified sections of detention centres as “community detention” in order to be able to claim that all children have been released from immigration detention.

    The immigration minister, Peter Dutton, announced on Sunday there were no children left in detention, but a source within his department told the Guardian the “release” was “more bureaucratic sleight of hand than emancipation”.

    As an example, families with children in “held detention” in the “family compound” of Villawood detention centre were told by letter on Friday that their detention was now classified as “community detention”.

    They have been “released” from detention without moving…

  133. April 3, 2016 7:17 pm

    more,,,,,bureaucratic sleight of hand than emancipation,,,,,

    # ,, that`s a brilliant phrase, and doesn`t it describe the teabags so well, whether talking about boaties`n gulags, copper-class nbn, jobs-numbers, invasion-wars, health, education, dole-office or other, they`re so pre-occupied with `sleight-of-hand` that renders them useless on the `actually-doing` of anything good nationally or for citizens

    # ,, l notice team-repug didn`t have anything to say on #kiwi.table.cloth above (-:

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2016 7:34 pm

    more bureaucratic sleight of hand than emancipation”

    This is what the link says.

    Restrictions on movement have been eased – children no longer require guards to escort them to school – but families remain behind a steel fence. The alarm on the fence has been disabled and a gate opened, but people need permission to stay elsewhere overnight, or have overnight visitors.

    If the gate is now left open i would say they are no longer in detention. And it nowhere says how many kids the article is talking about. From what i have read there are 10 kids the article is talking about.

    Labor locked up 8,469 children. That should never be forgotten.

  135. April 3, 2016 7:36 pm

    I,,,,,have always believed,,,,,#obviously

    teebz mirror image (-: plain text smilies defeat the word-press monster too

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2016 8:25 pm

    According to this link there were 12 kids that have been in detention.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/all-children-freed-from-australian-detention-centres/news-story/81cbb6aa732611b184d0984ff8087055

    The final 12 children to be freed were comprised of five from mainland detention centres and seven from Nauru.

    Notice the lefties make a big deal about a tiny number of children in detention that have just been released. They are trying to make out there are still hundreds of kids involved in a bureaucratic sleight of hand.

    There are still 50 kids on Nauru but they are allowed to roam the island. I guess you could say they are detained by the island by they are not behind razor wire.

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2016 8:32 pm

    There are still 50 kids on Nauru but they are allowed to roam the island. I guess you could say they are detained by the island by they are not behind razor wire.

    Have you ever “lived” on an island for any length of time? Because people who have will tell you they become “stir crazy” and have to get off … FIFO miners get the same feeling – of being imprisoned …

    And for your edification, neel, this “lefty” railed against putting kids in detention and offshore detention at all!

    That’s the difference between us lefties and you neel … we complain about the government when its wrong … right … or left … or fkn upside down!

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 3, 2016 9:47 pm

    I guess you could say they are detained by the island by they are not behind razor wire.

    Don’t forget the hostile environment beyond the razor wire. There are other inhabitants on the island, the ‘free to go nowhere’ detainees receive a violent welcome from the people of their ‘host’ country and no care or safety provided at all.

    Nauru rapes: ‘There is a war on women’
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/immigration/2015/08/22/nauru-rapes-there-war-women/14401656002263

    …One woman lies catatonic in hospital after being raped and beaten. Another was raped and immolated. This is the world awaiting refugees released from detention on Nauru…

    …We have created a settlement program where lone teenagers are released upon an island where their existence is detested, and they face no prospects of education or employment. By phone they tell me they are routinely assaulted, and send photos of their injuries. They say they would prefer the relative security of the camps.

    It’s a settlement program that releases vulnerable single women to remote parts of the island, where they are preyed upon with impunity, and for whom justice is thwarted by their frightened reticence and a compromised police force. To this day, no convictions have been recorded for assaults on refugees.

    In Australia, the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, and the minister’s office, did not respond to detailed questions about the sexual assaults reported in this piece and conditions on Nauru for settled refugees…

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 3, 2016 11:51 pm

    Lingering questions over freedom for detention centre children.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/lingering-questions-over-freedom-for–detention-centre-children-20160403-gnx858.html#ixzz44lOIEgBi

  140. April 4, 2016 12:09 am

    Makes a mockery of recent `womens-week`, womens-minister and rosie-batty`s efforts, while implicitly out-sourcing rape `and` abuse to off-shore gulag, even tho |-:> and *\0/* will argue about `micro`-details ,, #yaaaay.canberra

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 8:49 am

    Workers are picking up the tab for our budget deficit
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-04/verrender-workers-are-picking-up-the-tab-for-our-budget-deficit/7295740

    …Of more immediate concern is that it is now clear the grand plan to fix Australia’s structural deficit is not through tightening middle and upper class welfare or removing distorting tax incentives such as negative gearing.

    It is through higher income taxes. That’s the only way the states could plug the funding gap for health and education. Otherwise, there’d be no point making the change…

    Career politicians and the slippery ideological slope
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-31/bradley-career-politicians-and-the-slippery-ideological-slope/7286784

    …Wilson typifies in many respects the kind of person who Liberal and Labor are choosing as our future leaders. These people are, I fear, lacking in the empathic understanding that society is not just the sum total of its individual members’ wealth.

    It isn’t just that their narrow worldview will make our already unequal society even more so; democracy itself won’t survive too much more of this…

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 9:11 am

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2016 9:22 am

    Lingering questions over freedom for detention centre children.

    Instead of rejoicing that there are no longer children in detention you spend time hunting around for articles suggesting there may be something wrong with the definition of the few remaining children that were in detention. Fact is they are no longer locked up.

    Labor locked up 8,469 children. They were used as a deterent

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/31/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard.

    And children detained in facilities on Nauru are suffering illnesses and mental conditions caused by unsanitary and inhospitable conditions on the island nation while all refugees are subjected to a broad “intention to dehumanise”……Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

    “Because they wanted to send a deterrent message, it was important to send some children, to say that children are not exempt from transfer,” Mr Lake said.

    Shame Labor, shame

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 9:30 am

    …Instead of rejoicing that there are no longer children in detention you spend time hunting around for articles suggesting there may be something wrong with the definition of the few remaining children that were in detention. Fact is they are no longer locked up…

    I can do what I like neil.

    I’ll leave you to rejoice in your own stupidity by acceptance of political propaganda designed to whitewash crimes against humanity.

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2016 9:45 am

    I can do what I like neil.

    Yes you can. But you should be rejoicing that the few remaining kids are no longer locked up.

    Did you read my link? Labor used young looking kids as a deterrent. It was a ALP Ministerial decision.

    Beats me how you can defend that.

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2016 9:59 am

    Beats me how you can defend that.

    No-one here ever has, is, or ever will!

    It is YOU who is POLITICISING the plight of these children … YOU!

    What you are doing is defending Dopey Dutton’s manipulation of the truth … a pastime that seems inherent in the tory mindset!

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2016 10:01 am

    I think we have seen some pretty effective Turnbull narrative re tax/spending/state demands

    Along the lines of …how can states demand more support from the federal government? They would not even consider being provided with their own revenue stream. They won’t try to sell their tax and spending priorities to their own constituents.

    It’s a fairly effective counter – and was probably his plan from the start. It’s unlikely Turnbull was serious about the reform. He probably just wanted an effective counter to the demands of the states – and they provided him with one.

  148. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 10:09 am

    But you should be rejoicing that the few remaining kids are no longer locked up.

    They are no better off than they were before therefore nothing to rejoice about. Are these people going to be resettled in australia?

    Dutton is cynically and cruelly using vulnerable children for his own political survival. What is freedom without liberty?

    South Australian, Indi and New England voters oppose current asylum seeker policy, support resettlement of refugees
    http://www.tai.org.au/content/south-australian-indi-and-new-england-voters-oppose-current-asylum-seeker-policy-support

    …In South Australia, the poll showed only 25.9% support for the current government policy of indefinite, offshore detention. 58% supported the resettlement of those assessed as refugees in Australia, while 11.5% support all arrivals being allowed to stay.

    In the regional electorates of Indi and New England voters also found strong support for the proposition that ‘those people found to be genuine refugees should be allowed to stay in Australia once their claims are assessed’. (see polling below)

    21% of Indi respondents and 31% in New England supported Manus and Nauru detention, but in both electorates more than half of respondents supported allowing those assessed as refugees to stay in Australia, even when they arrive by boat…

  149. Making Vaporware Work permalink
    April 4, 2016 10:42 am

    It’s unlikely Turnbull was serious about the reform.

    Good to know.

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 10:50 am

    😆

  151. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2016 11:43 am

    From your link ao

    That’s the only way the states could plug the funding gap for health and education.

    It also means that public health and education are restricted by the states ability to raise money from this one form of taxation. Meanwhile, the private education is still linked in to the feds and their limitless ability to raise funds.

    It’s a fairly effective counter

    Only if you don’t think about it at all. So, yea, in this media landscape, you’re probably right 😉

    The funniest thing was, malcayman launched this as a “stop the blame game”, and has finished by ………………. blaming the States ROFL

    I did like your link above ao that listed malcaymans vociferous opposition to such a plan decades ago. Still valid points too.

  152. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2016 12:02 pm

    I should take more time away, this is hilarious. Maybe they took it from the Onion site?

    A key supporter of former prime minister Tony Abbott says he is prepared to challenge Malcolm Turnbull for the prime ministership.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/kevin-andrews-prepared-to-challenge-malcolm-turnbull-for-leadership-20160404-gnxlrf.html#ixzz44orhk8oz
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  153. April 4, 2016 12:11 pm

    Kevin Andrews as PM…..?

    #bringiton!

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2016 12:20 pm

    …In South Australia, the poll showed only 25.9% support for the current government policy of indefinite, offshore detention

    Actually the current policy is to have nobody in detention. We stop the boats so there is no need to lock anybody up and we take our refugees from UNHCR camps. It is called the Pacific Solution which Labor dismantled in 2008 creating all this trouble.

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 12:41 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/kevin-andrews-prepared-to-challenge-malcolm-turnbull-for-leadership-20160404-gnxlrf.html#ixzz44oxkVLHi

    …He said that, while there “wasn’t anything particularly negative about Julie”, he had decided to challenge because “there hadn’t really been a contest for the deputy leadership”.

    Ms Bishop thumped Mr Andrews by 70 votes to 30 in the deputy leadership contest…

    The hard right, still seething. They blame the girl, julie bishop, for abbott being a huge tosser.

    I would prefer them to go off and form their own party, abbott included.
    Surely they must know they’d get few votes, somehow they feel entitled, australia and the libs must be held hostage to their loony antics.

    Abbott is on notice so another of them gets the tap on the shoulder to keep destabilising, up andrews pops, like one of those clowns with the big gaping mouth that you put a ball into.

    I’m completely sick of all the shenanigans. Let’s get a whole new political system, this one is wrecked beyond repair.

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 12:47 pm

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2016 12:47 pm

    Dutton is cynically and cruelly using vulnerable children for his own political survival

    Actually that is my opinion of lefties. I remember the stink kicked up over a relatively small number of children locked up by Howard. A report was commissioned and Howard followed the findings of the Children in Detention report and released all the children

    Labor gets in and locks up 8,000 kids and not much was said until Abbott won govt in late 2013

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2016 12:50 pm

    He probably just wanted an effective counter to the demands of the states – and they provided him with one.

    So sneakier and more slippery than Abbott … nice for the PM to fk around with our economy for his political survival … instead of getting on with making some “real” decisions …

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 12:52 pm

  160. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2016 12:55 pm

    #bringiton!

    #isitstillApril1?

    I thought malcayman saying the federal government will only bankroll private education was an April fools joke. But nothing is beyond this mob.

    and not much was said

    You really are an ignorant dope at times aren’t you nil. I guess you forgot all those links I gave you way back when Gillian Triggs was in the process of being mugged by the right wing circle jerk showing what a total load of bollocks that is.

    Yea, of course not

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2016 1:01 pm

    Gillian Triggs was in the process of being mugged by the right wing circle jerk showing what a total load of bollocks that is.

    Triggs did nothing until Abbott was elected which is why she was condemned so rightly by the Coalition. It just shows how partisan Labor supporters are. Can you imagine the outcry if Howard locked up 8,000 kids?

    I have always believed that Labor supporters put the ALP first and Australia second.

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2016 1:26 pm

    I think TB, it is reasonable to point out that the states demand more cash, but won’t take responsibility for raising the revenue.

    That’s not sneaky, that’s just a fact.

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2016 2:28 pm

    It’s a fairly effective counter – and was probably his plan from the start. It’s unlikely Turnbull was serious about the reform. He probably just wanted an effective counter to the demands of the states – and they provided him with one.

    Ya reckon … ToMMY? You said it yourself … probably his plan from the start? This walloper hasn’t got any plans!

    MALfunction TurnAbbout is a dud … his Captain’s Calls have less substance than the Mad Abbott’s …

    Putting a positive spin on it doesn’t make look good …

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2016 2:44 pm

    Providing state governments with the opportunity to prove exactly how vigorously they shun responsibility is quite reasonable.

  165. April 4, 2016 3:38 pm

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  166. April 4, 2016 3:40 pm

    Providing state governments with the opportunity to prove exactly how vigorously they shun the idea of introducing multiple unnecessary levels of chaos and bureaucracy responsibility is quite reasonable.

  167. April 4, 2016 3:43 pm

    So the rusted on RWNJs say it’s the PM calling the State Premiers bluff, isn’t it actually the case that it’s the other way around…

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  168. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2016 4:06 pm

    And still no-one tackles the One Percenter Welfare Package …

    ► Negative Gearing Welfare

    ► Trust Fund Welfare

    ► Super Tax Breaks for the Rich Welfare

    ► Multi-national Tax Dodge Welfare

    ► Present Pollie’s Expenses Welfare

    ► Post Pollie’s Expenses Welfare

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 4:06 pm

    …I think TB, it is reasonable to point out that the states demand more cash, but won’t take responsibility for raising the revenue…

    Providing some detail and policy around how it would work would have been a good idea.

    So the rusted on RWNJs say it’s the PM calling the State Premiers bluff, isn’t it actually the case that it’s the other way around…

    er, what exactly was this bluff?

    Stunts, trickery and ambushes around funding, hardly makes for serious and mature discussions. When does good government start?

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2016 4:14 pm

    When does good government start?

    When the ALP win the next election … they have a better than 50 – 50 chance now!

  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2016 4:19 pm

    MALfunction TurnAbbout is a dud

    I am not a fan of Turnbull but he has not locked up 8,000 children, trashed our borders, trashed the budget, exploded unemployment and left time bombs in the budget.

    The economic numbers have not changed since the 2013 election. That cannot be said about the Rudd/Gillard govt who trashed everything they touched. And yes i have heard of the GFC. After the GFC ended why didn’t the budget return to surplus or at the very least to a small deficit? Because Labor trashed the budget and greedy Labor supporters do not want spending cuts.

  172. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 4:33 pm

    Jane Caro: “It chilled my blood when Turnbull suggested the easy way out in education.”
    http://www.mamamia.com.au/jane-caro-education/#ZLkgkFhchRyQej64.99

    sleeping with the enemy

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2016 4:33 pm

    Providing some detail and policy around how it would work would have been a good idea

    I think it was pretty simple. Reduce federal income tax by 2% in about 3 years, and hand it directly to the states. States then decide whether they’d like to increase or decrease that amount.

    What more detail is required to simply begin a discussion?

    But of course the states ran a mile, because even considering the concept would have required them to stop engaging in blame shifting.

    States just was the money without the political opprobrium that goes with finding it.

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2016 4:40 pm

    When the ALP win the next election …

    It’s great to see that TB hasn’t lost his sense of humour!

  175. April 4, 2016 5:01 pm

    “”What more detail is required to simply begin a discussion?””

    A discussion? It was a 48 hour ultimatum.

    I’ve had hangovers that have lasted longer than Turnbull’s so-called “taxation reform” agenda…!

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 4, 2016 5:08 pm

    States just was the money without the political opprobrium that goes with finding it.

    Or do they realise it’s a poisoned chalice?

    If they agreed to that, why would we need to have a federal government anyway, let the states do it all!

    Imagine the savings to the budget by getting rid of one expensive layer of government and their entitlements ‘work expenses’ and upkeep!

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2016 5:54 pm

    Nah, the states just dismissed the idea, too much accountability for them.

    Our Danny Andrews particularly will run a mile from anything that might mean getting him focussed on less waffle and more substance.

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2016 6:26 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/generation-less-how-australia-is-cheating-the-young/news-story/189ec0da9d1423dcbf07b8b3ca5c79bd

    Interesting and well calculated read … one simple explanation for this dilemma is that people no longer understand the role of unions …

    The campaign to destroy the voice of workers has been very successful so far … the losses however are not simply generational, they are striking across the nation and in all areas of society … greed is the cancer of this economy and many across the globe …

    dog knows what the reckoning will turn out to be … ’cause there will be one … the Czars are alive and well in Russia …

  179. April 4, 2016 6:40 pm

    As a corporate-fluffer and full-time dumb-fcuk, of course you`d say,

    ,,,,,,,,it is reasonable to point out that the states demand more cash, but won`t take responsibility for raising the revenue,,,,,,,,#guffaw

    # ,, now we just have to wait`n see if blib is bright enough(not betting he is) to beat talkbull about the head, unfit and unable to full-fill the `federal-role` of revenue collection, only fcuking imbeciles would want 8-tax-collection-points instead of one, tho we do have boo-of-melb (-:

  180. April 4, 2016 6:54 pm

    reb/via,,,,,rusted on RWNJs say it’s the PM calling the State Premiers bluff, isn`t it actually the case that it`s the other way around,,,,,,

    # ,, agree, not only is the brainfart merely just `bad` that the talkbull-feds want to FULLY-abdicate tax-collection, it is much worse, it would be ABYSMAL for talkbull to PARTIALLY-abdicate their tax-collecting responsibility (which is why boo-of-melb likes it, too fcuking dumb to know any better)

    # ,, there could be an upside if FULL tax-collection went back to states/colonies tho, the Feds would have to go `cap-in-hand` for funding their war-mis-adventures and off-shore gulag-system

    # ,, [BTW yaaaaay panama] (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

  181. April 4, 2016 7:20 pm

    TB,,,,,they have a better than 50, 50 chance now,,,,,,

    # ,, Why? Did they get rid of blib? Or give moonee fcuking ponds to Zimbabwe? Folks don`t want to return to the `jooLiar-era` teebz, (and will probably continue to swoon for talkbull, even tho it will really be continuing in the rabbit-era, unwittingly)

    # ,, teabag-media aren`t really going too hard on talkbull

  182. April 4, 2016 7:31 pm

    bananaland blue koala sucks #justsayin

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2016 8:19 pm

    ahhh … tbagz, ya stepped in the ToM pit …

    as for blue fkn koalas … i’m not one whit interested in the Deadwood Coast and doesn’t go on there nor am I slightly stirred by the feigned frolicking and faux fun of the connonwelf kiddie games …

    … is Fiji allowed to play yet?

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2016 8:25 pm

    How many people tomorrow will be thinking … I wonder if, Mossack Fonseca, operate in the Cayman Islands … ?

    Just sayin’ …(-; )~

  185. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2016 9:12 pm

    That’s not sneaky, that’s just a fact.

    wow, you even admitted earlier it was sneaky, now you reckon its some kind of fact.

    What about the fact that the states are being allowed only this one tax with which to raise all the capital needed to fund public education and health.

    Their hands are tied, and so then will be the public system.

    And you reckon it aint “sneaky”

    What more detail is required to simply begin a discussion?

    Why dpn’t we start with FIFO workers? 😉

    Nah, the states just dismissed the idea

    On the same grounds that malcayman did all those years ago, it might be added 😉

    So I guess solid, stable grubmint is telling the states two days before a COAG meeting that he’s tearing up the rule book, and htey’d better accept that 😯

  186. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2016 9:26 pm

    I wonder if, Mossack Fonseca, operate in the Cayman Islands … ?

    Don’t worry TB, our intrepid media will be there to remind us “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” 😉

  187. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2016 9:50 pm

    malcayman, eat yer heart out

  188. April 4, 2016 10:24 pm

    cmfu2,,,,,The use of tax havens is part of the reason the last decade has seen the rich get richer,,,,,

    # ,, it`s all good`n well *\0/* that the cmfu2 is bleating and tweeting, yet obviously they and the rest of da`onions haven`t been twisting the teams (joolya,blib,kevin07) arms on the issue, and have been happy to let the workforce carry the can and the loop-holes remain, could this be cos some of them and their mates are doing it too, maybe the panama panaleaks will tell

  189. April 4, 2016 10:30 pm

    the greg sherridan teabag is trying to bag-splain they don`t like being called phobes when they`re being `phobic` ,, too fcuking dumb to realize they should just stop being phobic #stupid.stupid.stupid.stupid.fcuking.teabag

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 5, 2016 12:02 am

  191. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 7:10 am

    have been happy to let the workforce carry the can and the loop-holes remain

    Yea, that must be why the libs and their mates are so intent on wiping them out.

    Ya dopey shit.

    and 10 year funding was included in the 2013 Budget

    A little thing like facts doesn’t stop even the pm of the country continually lying about this though, does it?

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 7:17 am

    “””When the ALP win the next election … “””

    It’s great to see that TB hasn’t lost his sense of humour!

    Oh! How we laughed!

    ALP – 51 … Liberal Co-op – 49

    Shorten – 32 … Turnabout – 38

    And while we’re at it …

    Mossack Fonseca = THE ROBBER BARONS @ work stealing and cheating and deceiving!

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 7:21 am

    A little thing like facts doesn’t stop even the pm of the country continually lying about this though, does it?

    And that’s what continually pisses me off … they think ordinary folk don’t know!

    Call me a fool but don’t fkn treat me like one!

  194. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 8:34 am

    Mossack Fonseca = malcayman

    Keep that sense of humour up TG 😉

  195. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 9:03 am

    fer yomm, who ignores the reality cos he thinks it’s a ‘bwilliant wedge’ (or something)

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 9:42 am

    I certainly will, TH _:D

  197. April 5, 2016 9:52 am

    LOL…

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  198. April 5, 2016 9:54 am

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  199. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 10:03 am

    LOL! Cunning! Nah! Fucking dumb!

  200. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 10:05 am

    You gotta remember reb, if these companies had to pay tax, they’d be forced to go to countries where they don’t have to.

    Of course, they’d lose all those customers that pay the taxes that allows them to reap the benefits of a structured society but hey, ya can’t have it all 😉

    Same dumbarse argument the mining companies tried on, quite successfully too

    malcayman shows how much of a gutless wimp he really is.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 10:10 am

    Surely intelligent Australians can see all the slippery weaselling, fudging, flipping and flopping, farting and fiddling, dodging and weaving, obfuscating, lying, misleading and deceiving about income and expenditure by this RIGHT WING government is simply to PROTECT those people who are involved in Vacuum Economics … The Robber Barons … One Percenters … including we all suspect the Prime Minister!

    How much money has Gina got tucked away … ? And then has the hide to say we get paid too much!

  202. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 10:12 am

    Surely intelligent Australians

    😯

  203. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2016 10:31 am

    You gotta remember reb, if these companies had to pay tax, they’d be forced to go to countries where they don’t have to.

    I doubt the companies you talk about actually exist. This tax avoidance topic is just a smokescreen thrown up by lefties to demonise their opponents. Of course if Labor wins the next election nothing will happen re: alleged tax avoiding companies.

  204. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 10:47 am

    Of course if Labor wins the next election nothing will happen re: alleged tax avoiding companies.

    You don’t think their first step would be reintroducing their legislation that hockey ripped out as his first point of call?

    Sorry, I should have stopped at “You don’t think” 😉

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2016 10:50 am

    If it was typical ALP legislation it would have been useless. Just like the mining tax that collected almost no revenue. In fact i did see under some situation the Govt would have to pay the mining companies money.

  206. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 10:54 am

    If it was typical ALP legislation it would have been useless.

    Yes of course, that is the reason why hockey removed it, it didn’t work 😯

    The same reason the mining companies poured millions into stopping the mining tax, because it would have paid them money ROFL 😆

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2016 11:02 am

    The mining tax did not collect any money. It was just an added cost for mining companies.

    Labor are the masters at seeming to be doing something but actually doing nothing

  208. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 11:33 am

    turc continues to fall apart, just like nils logic bombs do

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 5, 2016 12:08 pm

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 12:55 pm

    The mining tax did not collect any money.

    Not much anyway … but it should have been brought in under Howard/Costello during the mining boom!

    It was repealed before it could actually do anything!

    And as has been revealed BHPBilliton and Rio Tinto had shelf companies to avoid tax!

  211. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2016 1:46 pm

    but it should have been brought in under Howard/Costello during the mining boom!

    And you people wonder why i have to repeat myself. The mining boom happened under Rudd/Gillard/Swan

  212. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 5, 2016 2:04 pm

    A Few Thoughts on this Morning’s Newpoll
    http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2016/04/a-few-thoughts-on-this-mornings-newpoll.html

    …Yet there are three points about Newspoll and some of its recent polls that should be kept in mind.

    Newspoll is a New Poll

    Longevity and past accuracy have given Newspoll greater credibility than other Australian polls.

    For three decades Newspoll has asked a consistent set of questions. To its credit The Australian has always presented the tables of results in full. The stories reporting the polls have had a tendency to emphasise change over stability, and concentrate too much on the current poll, but you can always read the poll results from the tables yourself.

    However, for all of Newspoll’s history, this year Newspoll is a new poll. It is now conducted by Galaxy Polls using different methodologies to the past three decades. Galaxy has a good record in national polling for its own polls in News Corporation newspapers, but it has also been shifting its own poll methodology.

    The new Newspoll methodology has yet to be used at a Federal election.

    Recently Newspoll has been reporting worse results for the government than other polls. Whether that is right or wrong will be better assessed once measured against an election result…

    Dodgy unions are not our worst corruption problem
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/australia-slides-down-world-anticorruption-rankings-20160404-gnxjjq.html#ixzz44vBnwviJ

    Wayne Swan talks tax evasion
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/wayne-swan-talks-tax-evasion/7299242

  213. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 2:16 pm

    this year Newspoll is a new poll.

    Which we happily ignored until it showed shit for the libs 😉

    #justsayin’

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 5, 2016 2:17 pm

    And you people wonder why i have to repeat myself. The mining boom happened under Rudd/Gillard/Swan

    You’re only repeating blinkered nonsense.

    It began during the howard/costello regime

    And how did they manage it? The decisions they made at the time have bankrupted the country since. The structural deficits in ongoing budgets have now trapped their own side.

    http://www.tai.org.au/content/peter-costellos-five-most-profligate-decisions-treasurer-cost-budget-56bn-year

    …According to the IMF, the Howard/Costello government were the most profligate in Australia for the last 50 years. Indeed, while the mining boom was gathering pace they cut taxes so far and so fast that they forced the Reserve Bank of Australia to rapidly increase interest rates…

    …1. Income tax cuts, primarily for the rich, during the boom. Worth $37.6 billion or $26.4 billion if you exclude bracket creep in 2011-12

    2. Capital gains tax discount. Worth $5.8 billion in 2014-15

    3. Got rid of fuel excise indexation. Worth $5.5 billion in 2013-14

    4. Superannuation tax cuts. Worth $2.5 billion in 2009-10

    5. The decision to convert ‘franking credits’ into cash refunds for shareholders

    The ATO estimates that Peter Costello’s decision to allow ‘excess’ franking credits to be refunded as cash cost $4.6 billion in 2012-13.

    These five changes are worth $56 billion per annum. This is likely to be a very conservative estimate since some of these costs were for earlier years. The total is likely to be much more.

    Putting this into context the budget deficit last year was $40.4 billion. The budget conversation would have been very different if these irresponsible and inequitable changes had not been put through by Mr Costello.

    The reason we have a budget deficit today is in no small part due to the efforts of Mr Costello. It is interesting that he is now calling on the government to cut spending to pay for the irresponsible tax cuts that he made that mostly benefited the rich…

  215. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 5, 2016 2:28 pm

    Wayne Swan talks tax evasion
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/wayne-swan-talks-tax-evasion/7299242

  216. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2016 3:16 pm

    It began during the howard/costello regime

    Yes the mining boom started about 3 years before Howard lost office and the Coalition saved $50B in their last three surplus budgets. How much did Swan save during a much bigger boom?

    The structural deficits in ongoing budgets have now trapped their own side

    Rubbish. If what Richard Dennis is true why didn’t Labor just reverse those 5 tax cuts mentioned?

    And what Dennis says is the exact opposite of what Koukoulas says. According to Stephen Koukoulas the Coalition was the highest taxing govt in Australian history and anybody could run a surplus budget if they taxed like Costello.

    Never in all my life have i seen a more deceitful and dishonest people than those who vote ALP/Greens

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 3:32 pm

    1. Income tax cuts, primarily for the rich, during the boom. Worth $37.6 billion or $26.4 billion if you exclude bracket creep in 2011-12

    2. Capital gains tax discount primarily for the rich. Worth $5.8 billion in 2014-15

    3. Got rid of fuel excise indexationprimarily for the rich. Worth $5.5 billion in 2013-14

    4. Superannuation tax cuts primarily for the rich. Worth $2.5 billion in 2009-10

    5. The decision to convert ‘franking credits’ into cash refunds primarily for the rich, shareholders

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 3:36 pm

    Never in all my life have i seen a more deceitful and dishonest people than those who vote ALP/Greens

    I suggest a mirror …

  219. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2016 3:45 pm

    TB

    The story has changed. The old story was the Howard/Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget.The new story is the Howard/Costello govt was the highest taxing ever and anybody could run a surplus budget if they taxed like Costello

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-14/koukoulas-the-better-economic-manager/4427680

    The budget papers also show that the Howard government was the highest taxing government in Australia’s history. In 2004-05 and 2005-06, the tax to GDP ratio reached a record high 24.2 per cent. In addition, there have been only seven occasions where the tax to GDP ratio has been in excess of 23.5 per cent of GDP and all seven were under the Howard government.

    In a similar vein, in the last 30 years, there have been 10 occasions when the tax to GDP ratio has been below 22.0 per cent of GDP and all 10 were under a Labor Government. To put simply, the Howard government was a high taxer, while the current Labor Government is a lower taxer.

    Never in all my life have i seen a more deceitful and dishonest people than those who vote ALP/Greens

  220. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 3:48 pm

    Just randomly in case Tony (or anyone else) is interested

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 4:14 pm

    er, thanks, TH …

  222. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2016 4:56 pm

    no probs TBVG 😉

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 5, 2016 5:07 pm

    In 2011 bernie sanders made a speech opposing a US/Panama FTA.

    Corporate media gatekeepers protect western 1% from Panama Leak
    http://www.3-mob.com/?p=24856#.VwNd36R97IU

    …Unfortunately the leaker has made the dreadful mistake of turning to the western corporate media to publicise the results. In consequence the first major story, published today by the Guardian, is all about Vladimir Putin and a cellist on the fiddle. As it happens I believe the story and have no doubt Putin is bent.

    But why focus on Russia? Russian wealth is only a tiny minority of the money hidden away with the aid of Mossack Fonseca. In fact, it soon becomes obvious that the selective reporting is going to stink…

    …There is no mention at all of use of Mossack Fonseca by massive western corporations or western billionaires – the main customers. And the Guardian is quick to reassure that “much of the leaked material will remain private.”

    What do you expect? The leak is being managed by the grandly but laughably named “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists”, which is funded and organised entirely by the USA’s Center for Public Integrity. Their funders include

    Ford Foundation
    Carnegie Endowment
    Rockefeller Family Fund
    W K Kellogg Foundation
    Open Society Foundation (Soros)

    among many others. Do not expect a genuine expose of western capitalism. The dirty secrets of western corporations will remain unpublished.

    Expect hits at Russia, Iran and Syria and some tiny “balancing” western country like Iceland. A superannuated UK peer or two will be sacrificed – someone already with dementia…

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 6:43 pm

    Tiler finished today just had old tiles lifted, floor stripped and new tiles re-laid …

    We started shifting furniture (and dismantling desks etc) at easter … expect another two/three days to re-assemble everything …

    Big problem is our modem is “a house away” and the Wi-Fi is terrible (worse than dial up)

    I keep losing comments!

  225. April 5, 2016 7:19 pm

    I keep losing comments!

    There’s nothing in the spasm filter…. 😯

  226. April 5, 2016 7:42 pm

    via-ao,,,,,it soon becomes obvious that the selective reporting is going to stink,,,,,

    ,,,,,There is no mention at all of use of Mossack Fonseca by massive western corporations or western billionaires, the main customers,,,,,

    # ,, l noticed the same thing last night armchair, on my teabag-media abc, frightened-4corners was ranting on about the kwok brothers of hong kong, and their link to `wilson-security/parking`, big fcuking deal l thought, how about going after the fcukers `based` in Aust.

  227. April 5, 2016 7:45 pm

    oh that explains it ,, the bananaland blue koala is in `southport` ,, fcuking `ice` freak (-: (-: (-:

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 7:53 pm

    There’s nothing in the spasm filter

    No problem your end, sreb … thanks for looking … it the bloody wi fi this end … I’ll have all the computers back up and running properly (and fkn faster) tomorrow (he hopes!)

    There’s four walls between the modem and the computers at the moment – on the dining room table …

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2016 7:54 pm

    spasm filter? Chuckle …

  230. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2016 9:25 pm

    Heavens…even Jonathon Holmes agrees that the ABC has a left bias!

    I

    n the capital cities, getting decent audiences on ABC local radio for a host with rightish views would be hard. By being even mildly right-wing, they risk alienating the ABC’s traditional audience. Over the decades, radio listeners have divided. If you favour the right, you go commercial; if you favour the left, you go to the ABC.
    If the ABC wasn’t funded by taxpayer dollars, no one would mind this situation. After all, the population is split roughly in half over politics, and both sides deserve to hear their views expressed.
    But the ABC is publicly funded. It does have a legal obligation to not favour one point of view over another.
    The leftiness of ABC radio output is doubly problematic when it comes to Radio National.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abc-radio-personalities-need-to-tune-out-their-leftwing-bias-20160404-gnyfse#ixzz44wym9n8T

  231. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2016 7:54 am

    spasm filter?

    I reckon that one must be chokka. I wondered where wally etal had got to.

  232. April 6, 2016 8:34 am

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  233. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2016 9:21 am

    Heavens…even Jonathon Holmes agrees that the ABC has a left bias!

    Do I GAFF, ToM?

    The crap from the RWNJ radio jocks is laughed at by most intelligent people …

    Reading some of your comments just lately its not surprising that you are a Trump fan …

    What right wingers want is a complete absence of an alternative point of view …

    … how else can someone who pays more tax than 99% of taxpayers fiddle more money into shell companies …~(;-)

  234. Giveth And Taketh permalink
    April 6, 2016 9:30 am

    (Heavens, indeed. Holmes’s observations do seem quite agreeable; and almost entirely reasonable. Moreover, as he almost might have suggested, in express fulfilment of a taking
    of care of what is being wished for, so very, very often, by unmockable right-of-centre-right commercial media personalities, it’s almost certainly the case that an all-embracing national public broadcaster could and really should cater for all tastes, and really must better reflect all point(s) of view(s), particularly of/for sizeable population centres and audience markets; putting to one side, of course, the incessant, and, by now, obviously irrational, whinging from a right-wing(?) commercial mediaplex – one which is about to be granted, like no other Western democracy would ever dream of (anti-anti-)trusting, another round of consolidations and concentrations under newly-relaxed media-ownership laws – that purely (un)commercial interests are being ‘crowded out’ by a(n un)’traditional’ Aunty; although, per some other relatively recent reviews, it would seem that the ABC also has been neglecting, and considerably so, centre-left and left-of-centre-left points of view in its coverage(s); no matter, Holmes’s general logic surely still holds, and the pluripotential remains for ABC management to effect extensive ‘re-balancing(s)’.)

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2016 9:55 am

    So Jonathan Holmes is wrong about the left bias of ABC broadcasters?

  236. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2016 10:17 am

    So Jonathan Holmes is wrong about the left bias of ABC broadcasters?

    No, you are wrong in your interpretation of his words.

    hint, the abc is more than just capital city radio presenters

    #justsayin’ 😉

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2016 11:26 am

    So Jonathan Holmes is wrong about the left bias of ABC broadcasters?

    I don’t know I’m biased …

    Is he right that the shock jocks are right wing biased …

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2016 11:44 am

    Another tory disaster in decision making …

    The CSIRO’s decision to sack about 120 climate scientists was motivated by an intention to move some of the organisation’s focus from science done in the public good towards science that makes money, internal emails suggest.

    The internal decision-making process behind the CSIRO’s decision to cut its climate research has been revealed in a 700-page document dump, delivered as part of a Greens-Labor inquiry into federal government budget cuts. Many key emails sent from private accounts were not included in the disclosure, but the documents reveal a shopping-list of controversial internal decisions.

    In March CSIRO executives told a Senate committee the organisation was not moving away from “public-good science”, but the emails appear to cast doubt on that assertion.

    They show one of the central reasons climate science could not continue to make money for the CSIRO was the federal government’s decision to cut grants for environmental research.

    They also contain a detailed analysis of all the climate research capabilities that would be scrapped, as well as surprisingly callous language in discussions about which researchers would be made redundant, with remarks from managers referring to employees’ age, their work hours and how strong their union links were.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/06/csiro-climate-cuts-about-cutting-public-good-research-documents-show

  239. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2016 11:45 am

    Is he right that the shock jocks are right wing biased …

    To my surprise Holmes is saying something that is worth talking about. Should taxpayers be funding a certain point of view?

  240. April 6, 2016 11:53 am

    “”To my surprise Holmes is saying something that is worth talking about. Should taxpayers be funding a certain point of view?””

    What, you mean like the schools’ chaplains program?

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2016 12:00 pm

    …so Holmes says the ABC has a left bias despite its legal obligation.

    But that’s apparently ok because…. it’s biased to the left!

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2016 12:02 pm

    What, you mean like the schools’ chaplains program?

    Good point. i actually agree. But the ABC gets more than $1B/year. It is so big it is starting to crowd out private journalism.

    And TB rages against right wing shock jocks. Well they are not being paid by the taxpayer. And left wingers can start up their own left wing radio stations.

  243. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2016 1:36 pm

    Should taxpayers be funding a certain point of view?

    of course not, and, even IF holmes perception of the capital city radio presenters is even correct, that is not saying that the ABC is biased that way.

    For the simple reason I pointed out above, and which yomm and other morons continue to ignore.

    Well they are not being paid by the taxpayer.

    tell it to bolt and the bevy of ipa shills being paid nightly on the Drum etc, you know, all that vast bulk of non capital city radio presenters who are very much in the minority of what the abc does.

  244. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2016 1:42 pm

    tell it to bolt and the bevy of ipa shills being paid nightly on the Drum etc,

    I do not spend too much time on the Drum. I i think it should not exist. Taxpayers should not be funding The Drum

  245. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2016 2:27 pm

    Taxpayers should not be funding The Drum

    taxpayers shouldn’t be funding ipa shills to regurgitate bullshit on the drum in place of informative commentators, or to push their (legally proven to be) racist dogma on a taxpayer funded show. Maybe they need a (seemingly) lefty capital city broadcaster hosting the show?

  246. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2016 2:41 pm

    So a respected ABC journalist is suggesting that the ABC doesn’t comply with its charter or the law.

    Tom R shows marvellous obfuscation in response.

  247. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2016 2:52 pm

    Tom R shows marvellous obfuscation in response.

    No, I pointed out your obfuscation. Now you want to make it about their charter. COnsider the multiple investigations which found, if anything, the abc is right biased. And you want to start a culture war on a the say of a person who then claimed THIS!

    The ABC’s answer has been to give half an hour here and there on Radio National to the likes of Amanda Vanstone and Tom Switzer – neither of them more than mildly right of centre.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abc-radio-personalities-need-to-tune-out-their-leftwing-bias-20160404-gnyfse#ixzz451DvESwe
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    I think that about sums it all up. And he considers radio capital city broadcasters to be “leaning more to the left than the right.” lol

    I’ll go with the multiple reports brought on by rwnb’s which found exactly what they didn’t want it ti find.

    But you stick with someone who thinks vanstone is “mildly right of centre.”

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  248. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2016 3:28 pm

    taxpayers shouldn’t be funding ipa shills to regurgitate bullshit on the drum in place of informative commentators,

    I get it. Lefties are informative commentators and should be funded by the taxpayer.

  249. Walrus permalink
    April 6, 2016 4:55 pm

    “…According to the IMF, the Howard/Costello government were the most profligate in Australia for the last 50 years. Indeed, while the mining boom was gathering pace they cut taxes so far and so fast that they forced the Reserve Bank of Australia to rapidly increase interest rates…

    …1. Income tax cuts, primarily for the rich, during the boom. ”

    LOL…………..oh really ?

    That’s not what this says……..

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/ABS-5302.0-BalancePaymentsInternationalInvestmentPositionAustralia-GoodsCredits-Original_Quarter-MetalOresMinerals-A3534882W.svg

  250. Walrus permalink
    April 6, 2016 4:56 pm

    Somehow the name of the chart gone walkabout.

    Its “Australian Mining Exports”

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 6, 2016 5:03 pm

    …taxpayers shouldn’t be funding ipa shills to regurgitate bullshit on the drum in place of informative commentators,…

    No, we shouldn’t have paid corporate mouthpieces on the ABC, they already have a day job. Same for the journalists who come on to be interviewed by another journalist. Get the lot off my ABC!

    We should be seeing expert academics and scientists and public servants. People who do know what they are talking about on any subject, not paid corporate shills who are full of opinion and bluster but a barren, fact free wasteland.

    The IPA can have a romp in the private media, they shouldn’t be infecting the public broadcaster with their ideology and propaganda.

    If t wasn’t for the ABC cowering to pressure from the libs/IPA those nutters like tim wilson and james patterson wouldn’t even have a public profile.

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 6, 2016 5:08 pm

    …They also contain a detailed analysis of all the climate research capabilities that would be scrapped, as well as surprisingly callous language in discussions about which researchers would be made redundant, with remarks from managers referring to employees’ age, their work hours and how strong their union links were…

    Disgusting, the minister responsible and management should be sacked.

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 6, 2016 5:24 pm

  254. Walrus permalink
    April 6, 2016 5:33 pm

    I’m sure the Lefties on here would find this quite sensible and reasonable since it comes from their political allies

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/extremist-groups-in-pakistan-are-protesting-new-laws-that-protect-women-from-violence/news-story/618b35a94ba4a67ff00edc1c6f871377

    Yeah lets throw open our borders again by electing the ALP

  255. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 6, 2016 5:54 pm

    If we’re so left-wing why did we consider giving Tim Wilson the mic? Faine hits back at Holmes
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2016/04/06/if-were-so-left-wing-why-did-we-consider-giving-tim-wilson-the-mic-faine-hits-back-at-holmes/

    …Faine was responding to comments by Media Watch-host-turned Fairfax media columnist Jonathan Holmes in The Age that perhaps the ABC was indeed too left wing. In terms of metropolitan radio, Holmes concluded, the ABC did lean left, but perhaps understandably, because this is where the market gap is: conservative listeners opt for commercial talkback. In regional areas, where the ABC has no competition, its presenters play things more politically neutral than they do in the cities, he wrote…

    There, it’s just business and all taxpayer funded organisations have to run like a competitive business these days.

    …Faine, one of those mentioned by Holmes in his piece, dismissed the criticism of his former colleague. ”Jonathan’s views are Jonathan’s views”, he is quoted as having said in a Friends of the ABC release. Faine added that the ABC “bend[s] over backwards to make sure there are all sorts of voices heard”.

    “We were putting some time into Tim Wilson being a fill-in host, so to say that we don’t do those things is demonstrably not true.”

    Faine dismissed the notion that politics had any effect on how he did his job. “I’ve got to think of the toughest questions I can of every guest — that’s my job and that’s what the audience expects of me,” he said.

    Faine’s comments are broadly in line with how ABC executives answer questions of bias. As Mark Scott recently told Media Watch:

    “We don’t do that kind of journalism. We don’t ask questions about our journalists’ voting pattern and where their ideology are. We look at the journalism that they put to air.”…

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2016 6:19 pm

    I’m sure the Lefties on here would find this quite sensible and reasonable since it comes from their political allies

    You really do live in the land of Extremism … just who are the “political allies” you mention?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Has anyone noticed all the shrill – look over there that must be a lefty crap all of a sudden?

    Milkum TurnAbbout and the Liberal Milkers must be down in the polls …

    Let’s talk about the real issues …

    ► Negative Gearing Welfare

    ► Trust Fund Welfare

    ► Super Tax Breaks for the Rich Welfare

    ► Multi-national Tax Dodge Welfare – Emphasising the PANAMA PAPERS

    ► Present Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare

    ► Post Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare

    ► Pollies International Travel Wastefulness

    ► Liberal Party Economic Incompetence

    ► Reduction or Stopping Private School Funding for Any Future Cases of Paedophilia

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2016 6:55 pm

    I know whose winning my Senate vote for Queensland at the moment!

    “And frankly, I don’t believe the PM will care. Malcolm Turnbull has shown little interest in the ABCC bill beyond using it as a stick to beat Labor and the crossbench.”

    Senator Lazarus said he wanted the legislation expanded to become a national corruption-fighting body across all areas, such as the NSW-based Independent Commission Against Corruption.

    If it wasn’t, it would not get his vote.

    “I mean we see on a weekly basis certain areas, even in Malcolm’s own political party, issues of corruption,” he said.

    “At the end of the day, to the average Australian, this isn’t a real important issue for them. Quality of living, the cost of living, the health system, the cuts to education that Malcolm has been announcing over the last couple of weeks, they’re real issues for the nation, not

    an ABCC or a commission that’s going to target one particular area.

    “So I guess that’s why I’m saying make it a national thing.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/turnbulls-threat-of-a-double-dissolution-election-falls-on-deaf-ears-in-the-senate/news-story/5c5c78ff540175d413657bdea5bce84e

    Who’d a thunk?

  258. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2016 6:56 pm

    The CSIRO’s decision to sack about 120 climate scientists was motivated by an intention to move some of the organisation’s focus from science done in the public good towards science that makes money, internal emails suggest.

    I tend to agree with this. Zillions of dollars are being spent overseas on AGW research. Lets spend our small research budget on cancer drugs, turning kangaroo skin into hats etc

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2016 7:49 pm

    Best of luck, ToM … I think you just highlighted the desperation (and extremism) of the contemporary Liberal Party … I was going to say … modern but a “modern Liberal Party” is the ultimate oxymoron …

    https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=T9sEV-RVxO7zB4rUlPgM&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Mandy+Rice+davies

    Y’see some of us have been around the tory crap for a lifetime …

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2016 7:50 pm

    … turning kangaroo skin into hats etc

    What a dopey prick you really are! Clueless … and cancerous …

  261. April 6, 2016 8:07 pm

    “She seems nice.”

    A quality candidate by all accounts…

  262. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2016 8:10 pm

    What a dopey prick you really are! Clueless … and cancerous …

    Strong words. I agree with the decision of the CSIRO. Let us spend our small research budget on useful things. Not on AGW which already has zillions of dollars being spent on by lots of other countries.

    These AGW researchers only care about themselves and their jobs.

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2016 8:20 pm

    If only all thieves could say they will not benefit from their work “ever again” … AND WALK AWAY SCOT FREE!

    On Wednesday his spokesman provided further clarity. “There are no offshore funds/trusts which the prime minister, Mrs Cameron or their children will benefit from in future,” he said.

    A statement on Tuesday had only said the Cameron, his wife and children are not currently benefiting from any offshore funds.

    Weaselly weaselly tory wonder words!

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/06/david-cameron-and-family-will-not-gain-from-offshore-funds-in-future

    Fkn sick of the lies, deceit, cheating, stealing, corruption and denials across the western “democracies” … its worse than the debacle of the USSR and for the same reason … GREED! POWER! CONTROL! And HYPOCRISY!

    And blithely accepted and condoned by the Vatican and its Robber Barons …

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2016 8:40 pm

    She has PhD which is quite good for a blonde politician, or even just a blond

  265. April 6, 2016 8:41 pm

    Hey dummy, holmes piece is an `imbecile-response` piece (blot`n hendo),

    and holmes big omission is talkbull has been flocking to my abc radio, not imbecile-radio like jones/hadley (as covered by mediawatch) which screams volumes. Rest assured there is many-a-thing to spank my frightened abc over, just not what the imbeciles point at.

  266. April 6, 2016 8:51 pm

    The,,,,,internal decision-making process behind the CSIRO`s decision to cut its climate research has been revealed in a 700-page document dump,,,,,

    # ,, unsurprising teebz, now that the reef is fcuked, it doesn`t need to be studied anymore, does it

  267. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2016 9:32 pm

    ,, unsurprising teebz, now that the reef is fcuked, it doesn`t need to be studied anymore, does it

    No. we do not need deadbeats telling lies to save their jobs. Whenever these people publish something it is always bad news. The reef is dying so send us more money. Lying pieces of shit.

  268. Moats And Logues permalink
    April 6, 2016 10:53 pm

    (Putting aside, or not, the actual issue(s) of environment(al impacts) and of climate change(s), and even Stern warnings which have been around for some time, notorious leftie, Dr John Hewson, as reported by suspect ABC lefties, had this to say about the state(s) of awareness within much of the business community, and the cogency of business units flying blind (or more than blind, if capability-elimination of gauges and lead(ing) indicators, were to become a good, public, public good paradigm): World headed to recession if climate change ignored, John Hewson warns.)

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 6, 2016 11:45 pm

    Institute for Public Affairs: the think-tank with arms everywhere
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/institute-for-public-affairs-the-think-tank-with-arms-everywhere-20160406-gnzlhq.html#ixzz453OBMjCj

    …I first encountered the IPA’s passionate retrograde years ago, in a city-planning debate at ABC TV. I’d expected cut-and-thrust, but was amazed by the aggression and the import of IPA Director Alan Moran’s defence of car-dependent sprawl. Sprawl had been the world’s bad guy for over a decade but Moran’s fossil-based fury was intense.

    Still, the IPA then seemed like harmless cranks. Now it seems they’re all but writing government policy. Even that’s not bad in itself. The wealthy are allowed their clubs, and governments must get ideas from somewhere. But when the private interest of Big Money consistently presents as public interest, it’s time to worry. Big time…

  270. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 7, 2016 8:40 am

    I had such a good laugh reading this article and thought some of you would also like to read it. I’ve pasted in full as never sure if it’s free access behind the Crikey $wall.

    Apparently the wealthy class see paying taxes as nazi [guy rundle]

    You know who wanted the rich to pay tax? Hitler!
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2016/04/06/you-know-who-wanted-the-rich-to-pay-tax-hitler/

    …Publication of the Panama Papers has brought the defenders of tax avoidance to some you-beaut Godwinning.

    I know that readers enjoy occasional updates on the doings of John McTernan, UK/Australian Labo(u)r’s intercontinental omnishambles, the arch-Blairite who went from Iraq War boosting to cash-for-peerages, to two Scottish elections that have reduced Labor to a single seat north of the border. In between he was hired at great expense to save the Gillard premiership. What’s our boy doing now? Defending the tax avoiders pinged by the release of the Panama Papers, of course. “Tax avoidance is an expression of basic British freedoms,” quoth the transcendent political genius in, where else, the UK Telegraph, arguing that the average voter will applaud the canny desire of the rich to minimise how much tax they pay, while only “the political class” will care. In the era of Corbyn, Bernie Sanders, and much more, this anti-elite ventriloquism by political lifers is getting a little old, no? Apparently not. What could possibly make this most stalwart defender of Tony Blair come out against busting global tax avoidance? Another pre-emptive strike, perhaps?

    Godwin alert! There’s a special and delicious type of Godwinning that involves corporate types comparing any form of taxation or regulation to Hitler. Its first appearance was years ago, with the low-tax fanatic Grover Norquist comparing progressive income tax with Nazism, because it identified the rich as a group “for special treatment”. Joe Aston had a crack at it in the AFR a few weeks ago, saying of a column by Jessica Irvine that suggested that quite a lot of the rich were cheats was the sort of thing that was “levelled at Jews in the town halls of Munich and Nuremberg in the 1930s”.

    Now, we have a third entrant, David Murray, who reacted to the idea that CEOs might have to take some legal responsibility for what goes on in their companies by focusing on the word “culture”:

    “He described ASIC’s proposal as anti-competitive because it might force all companies to adopt the same culture, and this would be one shaped by ASIC’s own image. Rather, he said different cultures should be used to boost competition.

    “‘To be completely candid, there have been people in the world that have tried to enforce that belief [that the same culture should be adopted]. Adolf Hitler comes to mind. If you want people to be free, you cannot do that,’ Mr Murray said.”

    This is a beauty, because it focuses on the code word “culture” — for regimes of practice in a business — in order to compare enforcing the law with the annihilation of a whole people. It reminds us what a ridiculous use of the word “culture” this is — and also of the bottomless self-pity and narcissism of the business class, who really believe that they are as persecuted by regulation as 6 million murdered people.

    No one will be surprised to learn that Murray is a climate change sceptic. They’re persecuted too. Just ask Dennis Jensen, if you catch him at the members’ entrance, carrying a cardboard box full of personal effects, sometime in the next few weeks.

    ***

    Which reminds us of an older item in the drive-bys file, the maiden speech a few weeks back, of James “Sprog” Paterson, the Libs’ newest tad-Senator. Sprog’s effort was the usual IPA boilerplate, apart from a plea to move the Australian embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Say what now? Ah, that is what is called in the US “the Adelson moment” after US super donor Shelton Adelson, whose generous support of right-wing candidates (he propped up Newt Gingrich’s run in 2012) always came with the proviso that moving the US embassy to the Holy City be a plank in the candidate’s platform — in Newt’s case, it was always fourth, or even third in his list of “Day One” imperatives. Now, we have no doubt that Sprog’s mention of such is nothing other than a commitment to diplomatic logistics, perhaps a longtime passion. But given his work history at a lobbying outfit that pretends to be a philosophical think tank, Sprog might want to avoid the appearance of using parliamentary speeches to give shout-outs in the future.

    ***

    Still no Maurice Newman this week, so the Oz had to buy in the wacky. It succeeded magnificently with this piece from Melanie Phillips, a UK correspondent who was once a leftie Guardianista, but who long since went to the apocalyptic wacky right, with an ultra-Zionist touch (she calls liberal Jewish groups who make mild criticisms of Israel “Jews for Genocide”). Phillips does not like these tattoos, which have been around for 20 years or so, and thinks they are a sign of rising paganism. The article is a mix of flatly wrong socio-blather — about a seven on the Maurice scale — which ends with suggesting that such cutting is a measure of an individualist and etc, etc society. To which one can only say — yes, imagine if a ceremony of mutilation were at the heart of the Judeo-Christian tradition. What then? The article itself is barely worth noticing (and Rupert’s bean-counters might like to know that it’s pretty similar to a piece Phillips wrote more than a decade ago for The Daily Mail), but together with the above entries, it’s a measure of something: how batshit unhinged the right is becoming…

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 9:45 am

    Another Liberal failure … right on the heels of the economic disaster of the current stagnation … NBN rolling backwards not forwards … now the environment … (no wonder they wanted to close down the CSIRO) …

    Australia’s emissions from electricity generation continue to rise and are now 5.5% higher than when the carbon price was repealed, new data reveals.

    The environment minister, Greg Hunt, claimed recently that Australia’s total greenhouse emissions had “peaked” in 2005.

    Declining electricity demand has been dampening electricity emissions and reducing the total increase in greenhouse emissions despite increases in emissions from land clearing and mining.

    But the latest data from Pitt and Sherry for the year to March 2016 shows total demand in the east coast electricity market increased for the 13th successive month and demand increased for the seventh successive month in the west.

    “There can be little doubt that the period of falling demand for electricity across Australia has now ended,” said Pitt and Sherry analyst Hugh Saddler.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/06/electricity-emissions-surge-by-55-since-removal-of-carbon-price

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 9:58 am

    it’s a measure of something: how batshit unhinged the right is becoming…

    My take on that too … shrill and scrambling … and use of the word “lefty” at any opportunity – contrived or no …

    And its because all the long held RWNJ’s have been let loose and their retrograde beliefs are being crushed by the tanks of logic and evidence … ’tis not the Dark Ages … but the Age of Enlightenment … confused by the right wing politickers as their Age of Entitlement!

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 7, 2016 10:19 am

  274. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2016 10:33 am

    NBN rolling backwards not forwards

    It is going faster than under Labor. After 6 years of Rudd/Gillard only 70,000 homes were connected.At that rate it would never be finished.

    right on the heels of the economic disaster of the current stagnation

    Too funny.The economic numbers are the same as under Labor in 2013 and we have an economic disaster

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 10:41 am

    “There is a big grey zone, there is no clear cut area.”

    The real reason a multi-millionaire wants to be prime meddler …

    Keep ’em hungry (in as many ways as possible), keep ’em drunk (drugged’ll do), keep ’em dumb, keep ’em entertained and you can keep ’em controlled …

    =======================================================

    The house that, neel, built …

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2016 11:01 am

    Actually we do have an economic disaster.

    The Rudd/Gillard govt started a runaway debt truck. It looks like it is now unstoppable

  277. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 7, 2016 11:17 am

    …If it was an election fought purely on competence, the incumbents would be in trouble. But findings in this week’s Essential Report point to a more existential challenge for a Liberal Party currently in an arm wrestle between its conservative and small-l Liberal traditions…

  278. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 7, 2016 11:23 am

    If only companies paid the same in tax as they do to the liberal party in donations 😉

    geggyg:
    06 Apr 2016 11:01:02am
    Yes the ATO is supposedly politically neutral. however it has to work within the guidelines , laws and regulations passed by Parliament. The ATO does make interpretations of some sections of laws that often left deliberately vague , but then those interpretations can be challenged in court .
    Labor passed the accountability law which recently showed how little the top 1500 businesses and income earners paid ( some of the low tax rates would have been justified due to prior losses etc) but Abbott/Hockey weakened that law so reasons for low taxes were not given.
    The L/NP may talk the talk on tax avoidance/evasion but one of Hockeys first actions was to sack 100 workers from the ATO’s investigation unit for tax avoidance and multinational tax avoidance , at the G20 he changed his position and said the ATO could reemploy 70 for that unit . in the MYEFO it was quietly stated that those 70 workers wouldn’t be reemployed . You can have great laws but if the enforcement teeth aren’t there the laws are next to useless.

    Milankovitch:
    06 Apr 2016 11:14:03am
    What did Labor do? Well for a start they introduced the “Tax Laws Amendment (Countering Tax Avoidance and Multinational Profit Shifting) Bill 2013” which the Coalition voted (surprise, surprise) AGAINST!

    Then of course after the Coalition came to power under Tony Abbott they slashed the workforce at the ATO making it much harder to pursue tax avoiders and evaders.

    Of course the Liberal Party is joined at the hip with the IPA which lives off tax deductible donations from cashed up donors to pollute public discourse with a constant stream of right-wing propaganda.

    Then of course there are quite a few companies who made large donations to the Liberal Party but didn’t pay a single cent of income tax. So actually the Liberal Party is in fact partly at fault here – far more than Labor is.

  279. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 7, 2016 11:27 am

    fark!

    ADF becomes yet another spy agency monitoring australians.

    Nobel Prize winner among hundreds of scientists worried by government control of science
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/nobel-prize-winner-among-hundreds-of-scientists-worried-by-government-control-of-science-20160405-gnzeif.html

    …A Nobel Prize winner and hundreds of Australian scientists fear new laws granting the Department of Defence power to monitor and control sensitive research are designed to intimidate the scientific community.

    Email correspondence between 470 fellows at the Australian Academy of Science, obtained by Fairfax Media, reveals some of the nation’s leading researchers are intimidated by the law and fear it will have a chilling impact on academic freedom.

    The laws, which came quietly into effect on Saturday night, require Australian scientists working on projects of interest to military or intelligence services to seek permission before consulting overseas colleagues.

    Those who discuss their work without permission risk fines or possible jail time. The laws provide the government with visibility and control over sensitive material that may pose a risk to national security…

  280. April 7, 2016 11:59 am

    Newsflash for Yom!

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  281. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2016 12:11 pm

    TB, “batshit unhinged” walks on both sides of the street. Here, for your delectation, is Bolt’s incisive takedown of Frightbat Farrelly’s mish-mash of paranoid lies and utter stupidity.

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 12:46 pm

    Federal Court judge labells lawsuit against the CFMEU as an “abuse of process”

    So people are realising that the emperor has no clothes … good!

    Not going so well for the tories – anywhere …

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 12:51 pm

    Bolt!

    The IPA is a benign, charitable organisation? Just as the history of the catlyk church has always been compassionate, caring and most of all krystian …

    Bolts definitely unhinged … I didn’t read the “mish-mash of paranoid lies” … so can’t/won’t comment …

    The IPA is good for you … like a big tablespoon of salt!

    BTW, I remember the weird Labor shenanigans of the 70’s/80’s so don’t fret too9 much …

  284. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2016 1:20 pm

    So what?

    Let’s see how many convictions are ultimately recorded.

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 6:16 pm

    Let’s see how many convictions are ultimately recorded.

    Like your other predictions less than you hope for … LOL! (51-49)

    Unlike my prediction of convictions for a future Royal Commission on the Banking & Finance Industry to far exceed any convictions of the CFMEU …

    … allegations of the CFMEU that seem to fail dismally in courts, daily and actually because they are based upon employers and/or their representatives lying, making legally mischievous accusations, misrepresentaton and quite frankly bullshitting for a cause …

    The CFMEU get in your face – I’ve dealt with them as a manager and a consultant … but they do it for a reason – their members … luckily for me I can discuss IR objectively!

    Finally, the RC on Unions was a farce, set up by an ignorant ideologue, supported by another smiley ideological ditherer, operated by an incompetent, illiterate, technically incompetent Liberal crony, nincompoop and supported by right wing lackeys who have only one thought … destroy, create chaos and then pretend to manage that chaos to their advantage …

    Some of us are enlightened to the “plan”, ToM … its fucked!

    Bill Shorten is sounding more and more like the Prime Minister this country needs …

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 6:20 pm

    Here’s something to take your mind of the impending doom, ToM …~(;-)

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 6:21 pm

    Not my “type” … I can assure you … (wait for it)

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 7:12 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/tara-brown-and-60-minutes-crew-detained-in-beirut/news-story/1f6a32ddc78805fe739083928d04e839

    Why do Australians think invading other countries is OK …

    Imagine the outcry if the tables were turned …

    Fkn national borders … free trade only works for the Robber Barons …

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2016 7:31 pm

    German paper won’t publish all Panama data

    The German newspaper that first obtained the so-called Panama Papers, a vast trove of documents on offshore accounts, says it won’t publish all the files.

    Sueddeutsche Zeitung said on Thursday the complete set of 11.5 million documents “won’t be made available to the public or to law enforcement agencies”.

    It says authorities have legal powers to obtain such documents from those suspected of wrongdoing, and in many cases there’s no public interest in revealing companies’ or individuals’ offshore business dealings.

    The Munich-based paper received the documents from an unidentified source more than a year ago and shared at least parts of them with dozens of other media outlets around the world, who reported the story in coordination with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.</blockquote.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/german-paper-wont-publish-all-panama-data/news-story/8e47eb975b8401e8fb52457b9c819d1b

    Clever, compromised, cowed, or now in comfortable credit???????????????????

  290. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 8, 2016 5:50 am

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 8, 2016 5:57 am

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 10:30 am

    For those who missed Newman’s folly …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-07/interview:-maurice-newman,-former-business-adviser/7309278

  293. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 8, 2016 10:58 am

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 12:24 pm

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has deflected criticism of delays in the rollout of the National Broadband Network claiming that, despite being slower than expected, the installation of the service will still be faster than the download speeds of the infrastructure.

    Turnbull continued by saying that unnecessary delays for what should be a fairly simple process is exactly what this version of the NBN is all about.

    “It’s about managing expectations,” Turnbull claimed. “When people think NBN we want them to think about how it’s taken much longer than they wanted and not really delivering on its promise. That will have them well-prepped for the infrastructure itself.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2016/04/07/turnbull-promises-nbn-rollout-will-be-faster-nbn-download-speeds

    Just got a pre-election flyer from my local Liberal fed rep … after he put in “a lot of work” with MALfunction, the NBN work will be starting in my area (FTTN or HFC) in late 2017 … but not according to the NBN roll-out map … they have NO plans to start in my suburb … nor estimated times …

    My suburb will be/is, however, surrounded by NBN … most odd …

  295. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2016 12:33 pm

    The NBN was thought up by Labor on the back of a drinks coaster because what Labor took to the 2007 election failed.

    Labor fooled most of the country to vote for them in 2007 because Australians are stupid.

    Anybody who believes what Kevin Rudd says is a fool

    Labor commits to investing up to $4.7 billion into a new high speed national broadband network for 98 per cent of Australians. This will be fibre optic to the node. 12 megabits per second – and capable of upscaling. It will be laid out over 5 years

    The ALP. Lying pieces of shit

  296. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2016 1:56 pm

    Personally, I think blogging enjoyment would be vastly improved if one or 2 had internet access cut off.

    Better/faster service isn’t in the public interest.

  297. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2016 2:04 pm

    Better/faster service isn’t in the public interest.

    Says the guy who thought guttertrash got from here to him just using wireless, so who NEEDS fiber ROFL

    Let’s see how many convictions are ultimately recorded.

    Pick a number. By my count it is still less than one.

    Which is far below the white collar crime being committed and protected by this mob.

    Interestingly, I caught a bit of 7.30 last night talking about Thiess, and they had (for balance, you see) brought up Thiess “allegations” of price fixing with the AWU

    They did forget to mention that, although the way Thiess structured their payments in house might not have been above board, turc showed that the Unions had no case to answer. They also repeated the furphy that it was for “lower wages”, ignoring the fact that the workers under the AWU were even better off than the CFMEU, when all was taken into account.

    AND that the project came in ahead of schedule, and within budget.

    What a loser Shorten is. ABC and balance means smearing Shorten at any opportunity. I note, when the smear initially got going, Thiess had clean hands. Now ………………

    But yomm, feel free to keep us up to date on any time turc actually reveals any PROVEN wrong doing by Unions. Meanwhile, you’ll be reminded of it abject failure that the media continue to ignore.

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 3:26 pm

    TR, ToM is just being his jolly, humorous self … he doesn’t actually mean what he writes … 51 -49 LOL!

    as for, neel, if the blog was a village he’d be the village – “special funny person” …

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 3:38 pm

    Even news.com are finally beginning to see Scott Morrison with the light turned on …

    “But apparently in the eve of an election when there is a few reports about banks, Bill Shorten’s up there in his ill-fitting suit, puffing his chest up, and saying we need to thump the table,” he said.

    It was a moment which jarred because the remark was a word picture as irrelevant as it was nasty. Had Mr Shorten been parading in a hula skirt, a rating of his clobber might have been warranted. This was pure, sneering, gratuitous ad hominem.

    There was anger behind it and a hint that the anger was not always under control.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/treasurer-scott-morrison-blasts-opposition-leader-bill-shorten-for-his-policies-and-choice-of-suit/news-story/0bf1ab10cd6d149afcc88fdc11538cdf

    Ya can tell Mordoch has just got married, hey!

  300. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2016 4:06 pm

    It was a moment which jarred because the remark was a word picture

    Yes, and you can easily see him sitting with hockey and cormann sucking the havanna’s and ridiculing the lower classes.

    Trading Places, they could make a movie about that 😉

  301. Walrus permalink
    April 8, 2016 4:11 pm

    “I think blogging enjoyment would be vastly improved if one or 2 had internet access cut off.”

    Agreed

    Faster internet for the Lefties just means they can display their stupidity faster

  302. Walrus permalink
    April 8, 2016 4:15 pm

    So Whyalla is about to become a ghost town I see. That should’nt be too much of a problem as given that SA is the renewable energy hot spot of Australia there should be plenty of those “Green” jobs to soak up the unemployed ay……………ROFLMAO.

    And there will be even more Green jobs next year in SA given that SA wholesale energy prices are tipped to rise by 50%.

    If they want to live like Greenies then they can live with the consequences too

  303. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2016 4:31 pm

    Faster internet for the Lefties just means they can display their stupidity faster

    doesn’t not 🙂

    So Whyalla is about to become a ghost town I see.

    Who’d have thunk that REMOVING the Carbon Price would have wiped it off the map.

    tabot and malcayman have reaped far more destruction than even their scariest scare campaign against that ever did.

    Luckily Bill (brookeneedsaTaylor?) is bringing it back in. Maybe that will be enough to save the town 😉

  304. Walrus permalink
    April 8, 2016 5:25 pm

    “Luckily Bill (brookeneedsaTaylor?)……………..”

    Yes I agree as I understand he’s a bit tired of Chloe ?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Taylor

  305. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 6:20 pm

    So Whyalla is about to become a ghost town I see.

    This isn’t a disaster for resident tories …

    … its a nice distraction from a lack of leadership and ideas from the most incompetent and amateur government Australia has ever suffered …

    … another labor dunnit moment …

    … but nothing creative to solve one of the most critical business failures this country has seen …

    How South Australia qualifies as – the renewable energy hot spot of Australia – is beyond me … more lala land …

    But ya gotta love the compassion for upwards of 30,000 PEOPLE … If they want to live like Greenies then they can live with the consequences too

    What a stupid comment … ironworkers – greenies … FMD!

    The owners of the ironworks couldn’t give a shit … they’ll have their money and lifestyle and move on … poor management decisions … maybe the unions should run some of these businesses without interference from ROBBER BARONS …

  306. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 8, 2016 6:27 pm

    The stench of corporate corruption catches up with the Coalition {Kohler]
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2016/4/8/economy/stench-corporate-corruption-catches-coalition

    …The Government is finally making it clear that it can’t fight an election on union corruption while at the same time ignoring the stink emanating from the corporate sector.

    The political atmosphere around corporates and wealthy people has turned dramatically toxic, arguably worse than that around the unions.

    In fact, in many ways the 2016 election should really be fought on corporate corruption, not union corruption, or at least both together: the behaviour of corporations and wealthy people, globally, looks rather worse than that uncovered by the Australian Trade Union Royal Commission…

    …The evidence of tax avoidance, bribery and corruption by corporations and the wealthy has simply become too great: the Coalition must distance itself from them all lose credibility, especially while trying to run an election on the bad behaviour of unions, or rather one of them, the CFMEU.

    What’s more, the trade union royal commission revealed plenty of bad behaviour by companies as well as unions…

  307. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2016 6:33 pm

    Apparently SA has the highest energy costs in Australia mainly due to renewable energy targets.

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 7:35 pm

    Apparently SA has the highest energy costs in Australia

    ‘Cause the poor sods can’t afford solar!

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 7:41 pm

    The polls must be shifting, Here comes the fear campaign from none other than Dopey Dutton! So fkn predictable …

    AUSTRALIA is home to nearly 200 people who are actively engaged in supporting terrorism and “well over” 100 others have left our shores to join Islamic State overseas, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton says.

    Mr Dutton said homegrown terror supporters, who were aiding the so-called Islamic State by providing financial or other support, represented a “very significant threat”, especially to young people who were being “indoctrinated online”.

    “Parents are horrified at the thought that their 17 or 18-year-old son or daughter could be radicalised online within a matter of weeks and then go to fight in the name of this terrible organisation,” he said.

  310. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2016 7:49 pm

    ‘Cause the poor sods can’t afford solar!

    Apparently SA the largest percentage of energy produced from renewable sources and therefore they have the highest energy costs in Australia.

    It does appear the Greens/ALP want to send us back to living in caves

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 8:51 pm

    Apparently SA the largest percentage of energy produced from renewable sources

    Link?

    ‘Cause if that’s true then they are being ripped off big time!

  312. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2016 9:02 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_South_Australia

    South Australia leads the nation in terms of renewable energy commercialization. Being a leader in green energy South Australia, with 8% of the nation’s population, captured 56% of the grid connected wind power, 30% of solar power and 90% of its geothermal developments.[5] With the advantage of being known for having some of the windiest and sunniest places in Australia, South Australia is considered to be a target for green energy investors.

    Hence they have the highest energy prices in Australia

    PS your solar panels were subsidised by the taxpayer

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2016 10:55 pm

    PS Coal is subsidised by the tax payer …

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2016 8:39 am

    Really looking forward to the “hilarious” round of Federal political polls!

    Y’ve gotta laff. hey!

    Good read by Lenore Taylor …

    So when the treasurer, Scott Morrison, turns up to insist (contrary to available evidence) that Australia does not have a revenue problem as well as a spending problem, and to claim that Labor wants to impose $100bn in taxes on ordinary Australians who are already being taxed quite enough, and to sneer that if the Labor leader “in his ill-fitting suits” thinks that is a way to grow the economy then he has “got rocks in his head”, a lot of those listening to him will have already formed the view that the extra taxes won’t hit them and will hit people wearing very well-fitting suits who damn well deserve to pay them.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/03/30/turnbulls-latest-tax-plan-another-gift-for-labor/#comment-125139

    Are the LibNits in deep shite, or what?

    Back to The Mad Abbott … ?

    Bring on the DD, I say!

  315. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 9, 2016 11:52 am

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2016 11:55 am

    Want to run the country like a business, MALfunction? Then do what businesses do go to a restaurant … you know the one subsidised in Parliament House by the taxpayers!

    How many kitchens and private rooms does Parliament need?

    Or just do what many businesses do – order in!

    We do have a spending problem and its plain to see where!

    One Percenter mentality!

    THE prime minister’s office spent more than $15,000 on a new oven in the Parliament House cabinet suite.

    Information tabled by the Department of Parliamentary Services confirms a total of $15,535 was spent on the oven, including $13,490 on its manufacture.

    The installation occurred in May last year, when Tony Abbott was still prime minister.

    The department said the appliance replaced a 24-year-old oven which was not repairable and presented a health and safety risk for chefs who were using it.

    During a Senate estimates hearing earlier this year, department secretary Robert Stefanic said $15,000 wasn’t an unusual cost for a commercial oven and not at the upper end of pricing.

    Yesterday, Malcolm Turnbull defended Deputy PM Barnaby Joyce’s use of a charter helicopter for a flight to the town of Drake at a cost of $4000 — even though the town is only a 40-minute drive away from his electorate office in Tenterfield.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/oven-for-prime-ministers-office-cost-more-than-15000/news-story/4bfa75ff039bfdc2caa23f6ba1ad1619

    which was not repairable

    TRY

    … “that was irreparable” … (only one oven – which is a question … not repairable!!!!)

  317. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 9, 2016 12:11 pm

    Malcom Turnbull’s challenge for real voting reform
    JIM MIDDLETON
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/topic/politics/2016/04/09/malcom-turnbulls-challenge-real-voting-reform/14601240003104

    …But if the barriers to senate entry have been too low, they remain too high in the house of representatives. And there is a choice here, if Turnbull means what he said when he told the house “there is nothing more important than that the men and women who sit in this chamber and in the senate reflect, as far as possible, the wish of the Australian people”.

    If that principle were applied to the house, the number of independents and minor party representatives would multiply exponentially. The Coalition would still be the biggest contingent, but without a majority. That would force a regime of negotiation either between the big battalions or between the government and the minor parties…

    …A regime that makes minority governments the norm might just moderate the temper of political behaviour as established parties vie to attract votes in the centre rather than pander to the edges. Public respect for the practice of politics may even be restored…

    …Mixed-member proportional is a mixture of geographical electorates and members elected according to their party’s national vote. As a consequence, it comes close to reflecting the will of the voters.

    If Turnbull is genuinely concerned about the quality of Australian democracy, he should put his money where his mouth is and finish the job…

  318. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2016 12:22 pm

    Are the LibNits in deep shite, or what?

    No Australia is. We needed another Howard in 2013 who would be willing ti risk a Parliament House riot to get the budget back into surplus.

    The next election would be a good one to lose because our credit rating will be downgraded which we will never get back. Let Labor take the blame since they created the runaway debt truck

  319. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 9, 2016 12:47 pm

    Rupert Murdoch’s US empire siphons $4.5b from Australian business virtu
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/rupert-murdochs-us-empire-siphons-45b-from-australian-business-virtually-taxfree-20150405-1meu0l.html

    …”As a result of doing nothing more than putting a new $2 company at the top of the Australian group they later returned that capital in cash and shares with little tax consequence.”

    Had these recent distributions been classed as dividends, News could have contributed a further $1 billion in tax to the Australian public purse. Dividends incur withholding tax at a rate of 30 per cent…

    …Asked whether News should be producing general purpose accounts, Professor Walker said: “It’s plainly anomalous that local subsidiaries of major multinational corporations can themselves decide they are not ‘reporting entities’ – and hence that they don’t have to comply with all Australian accounting standards.

    “The test is whether there are any users who might rely on published financial statements to make, or to evaluate, economic decisions. If directors say that some large proprietary companies are not ‘reporting entities’, they are ignoring the legitimate interests of employees, employees’ representatives, creditors, and the Australian Tax Office.

    The Corporations Act should address this shortcoming.”…

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2016 1:44 pm

    If Turnbull is genuinely concerned about the quality of Australian democracy, he should put his money where his mouth is and finish the job…

    LOL! How cynical!

    Does he know where his money “really” is? Does he know where his mouth is? Ah! On the end of his foot … !

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The next election would be a good one to lose because our credit rating will be downgraded which we will never get back. Let Labor take the blame since they created the runaway debt truck

    GUFFAW! Scapegoating possibilities already … the slide is very slippery!

    Chuckle.

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2016 1:51 pm

    Greg *unt really is daft and so fkn predictably stupid …

    From the link in KL’s comment above …

    Enamoured by stunning footage in David Attenborough’s latest documentary series, the Australian environment minister, Greg Hunt, took it as proof that the Great Barrier Reef remained an untouched beauty.

    I’m almost convinced that our world is run manipulated by morons …

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2016 2:02 pm

    Greg Hunt rebuked by Attenborough producer after upbeat spiel on Great Barrier Reef:

    Good let is de- industrialise Australia. No more energy guzzling steel mills. No more energy guzzling car makers. No more energy guzzling industries who employ people and produce CO2.

    The Greens/ALP truly want to send us back to living in caves

  323. April 9, 2016 5:18 pm

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  324. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2016 6:08 pm

    Why would a multi-millionaire with money in the Cayman Islands want to be Prime Minister?

    Especially after the Panama Papers …

    The Mad Abbott has one thing in his favour … he still has a mortgage … apparently …

    Simpleton?

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2016 6:09 pm

    And more CHORTLING!

    No need for bank royal commission: govt

    Government ministers are lining up to defend financial industry regulators amid Labor calls for a royal commission into the banking sector.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/no-need-for-bank-royal-commission-govt/news-story/59d01ac6974347faf9db8576f07a7748

  326. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2016 6:19 pm

    Yeah!! We need more broke people in parliament! Not successful ones!!

    (I’m off for a sensational bottle of red, and some food to go with it! )

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2016 6:43 pm

    Yeah!! We need more broke people in parliament! Not successful ones!!

    I prefer competent politicians who care about the nation and its people – ALL of its people – not corporate cowboys – ie ROBBER BARONS!

    Protecting each others arses!

    Y’know the “I pay more tax than 99% of Australians” – One Percenters! Or should that be the Panama Percenters? or maybe the Panama One Percenters?

    (I’m off for a sensational bottle of red, and some food to go with it! )

    Glad you can afford a “sensational” red … we make our own …~(:- )

    But Turnbull accused Labor of having no plans to pay for spending announcements.

    “That is a fundamental test for Mr Shorten, the numeracy test if you like that he can no longer shirk,” he told the Liberal conference.

    “How is he going to pay? Higher taxes, more debt or both?”

    A Labor party led by Shorten was a risk to Australia’s economic advancement, he said.

    “His is basically the Gillard agenda, with a new coat of paint.”

    Meanwhile, Victoria’s Liberal party faithful have been told that the kind of fraud their former state director indulged in would never happen again.

    Damien Mantach has pleaded guilty to 44 counts of obtaining a financial advantage by deception, and the party has moved to change its finance system.

    His successor as state director, Simon Frost, said he was shocked to discover the $1.5m fraud.

    “This appalling behaviour will never, ever be repeated,” Frost told the Victorian state council on Saturday.

  328. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2016 8:09 pm

    Why would a multi-millionaire with money in the Cayman Islands want to be Prime Minister?

    Rudd and his wife are worth more than Turnbull. At what point do you think a man with too much money should not enter Parliament?

    But i will admit i am not a fan of Turnbull. He is the first Coalition leader i can think of who loves himself more then he loves the country. But he is intelligent and does have talent but i guess like all humans he has major flaws.

    I prefer competent politicians who care about the nation and its peopl

    Nobody in the ALP is competent in anything other than stuffing up the country

  329. April 10, 2016 1:37 am

    kohler,,,,,The Government is finally making it clear that it can`t fight an election on union corruption while at the same time ignoring the stink emanating from the corporate sector.

    The political atmosphere around corporates and wealthy people has turned dramatically toxic, arguably worse than that around the unions.

    In fact, in many ways the 2016 election should really be fought on corporate corruption, not union corruption, or at least both together: the behaviour of corporations and wealthy people, globally, looks rather worse than that uncovered by the Australian Trade Union Royal Commission,,,,,

    kohler,,,,,The evidence of tax avoidance, bribery and corruption by corporations and the wealthy has simply become too great: the Coalition must distance itself from them all lose credibility, especially while trying to run an election on the bad behaviour of unions, or rather one of them,,,,,

    # ,, oh shit, the kohler-teabag is quoting `big-bad-bagz` instead of `our` imbecile-herd (-: (-: (-: (-:

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 10, 2016 10:02 am

  331. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2016 10:20 am

    Chinese fortune cracker …

    “You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich …” OIO !

    Someone should tell ’em you can’t help the rich by destroying the poor!

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy – for the rich!

    Time to watch Elysium again … methinks.

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2016 10:23 am

    The prime minister began on Saturday the task of managing public expectations before the May budget, warning it would focus on living “within our means”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/09/malcolm-turnbull-budget-victoria-damien-mantach

    I think he meant, “you will live within our meaness”

  333. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 10, 2016 12:45 pm

    Perth Airport project leaves Alcom Fabrications sub-contractors thousands out of pocket
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-10/perth-airport-subcontractors-owed-thousands-by-alcom/7313612

    …Several sub-contractors who worked on the expansion of the Perth Airport say they are owed hundreds of thousands of dollars from the project.

    Up to a dozen companies associated with the major airport expansion are believed to have folded as a result — including Alcom Fabrications which went into administration in February with more than $11 million in debts.

    Alcom’s administrator is investigating whether the company knowingly made false statements about its finances, allowing it to rack up debts it ultimately could not pay.

    Alcom has pointed the finger at the project’s head builder, Built Environs, claiming the larger company owes it more than $2 million.

    While Built Environs has launched a multi-million-dollar lawsuit against the airport authority — blaming the operator for delays that held up the project for more than a year…

  334. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2016 2:37 pm

    Apparently SA has the highest energy costs in Australia mainly due to renewable energy targets.

    Only if you believe what the libs tell ya to believe, and don’t actually follow the money trail. Seems very much like Wilsons parking, gouging the customer, and hiding it away in the caymans.

    SA Power Networks makes after-tax profits of $420 a year from each customer, while UK Power Networks makes $92.

    ……..

    It means SA Power Network’s ultimate owner is Mr Li, whose fortune of $36.2 billion makes him the world’s 15th richest person.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/sa-power-networks-owned-by-billionaire-li-kashing-makes-four-times-more-profit-out-of-us-than-its-uk-group/story-fni6uo1m-1226943633683

    And interestingly, or not

    SA Power Networks owner Li Ka-Shing named in global leak of tax of dealings of rich and famous

    http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/sa-power-networks-owner-li-kashing-named-in-global-leak-of-tax-of-dealings-of-rich-and-famous/news-story/23f55933d6ac6bc6e3c08c7c3026779b

    Yea, and the media attacked Labor for highlighting malcaymans own little slice of the panama pie. muppets

  335. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2016 2:48 pm

    “You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich …” OIO !

    But the rich have a … rich(?) history of destroying the poor. OIO !

  336. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2016 3:59 pm

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2016 4:47 pm

    Only if you believe what the libs tell ya to believe, and don’t actually follow the money trail

    Everybody knows renewable energy is expensive. Our power bills in NSW have increased because of increasing use of solar energy

  338. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2016 5:00 pm

    Everybody knows renewable energy is expensive.

    So, how do you explain the massive profit the owners of SA’s power company is making then? Which coincides with the massive rise in power bills

    And they get away with it because they fool morons into blaming something else.

  339. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2016 6:17 pm

    So, how do you explain the massive profit the owners of SA’s power company is making then?

    Dunno but the profits are presented in a strange way- profit/person rather than return on investment. So straight away i am suspicious. UK networks i would think have a much larger customer base.

    But everybody knows renewable energy is much more expensive than coal. So what is your point?

  340. That's How It Goes permalink
    April 10, 2016 6:38 pm

    (But everybody knows renewable energy is much more expensive than coal.

    *Cough*, blacklung, *cough*.)

  341. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2016 6:44 pm

    So what is your point?

    That the excessive price of electricity is quite obviously not because of renewables but on rich pricks gouging taxpayers

  342. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2016 8:42 pm

    That the excessive price of electricity is quite obviously not because of renewables but on rich pricks gouging taxpayers

    Then why are they not gouging the UK taxpayers?

    As soon as they presented the profits as profits/person instead on return on investment i smell a leftie spin.

    And $400 profit/person sounds awfully high. So i doubt that figure.

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2016 9:38 pm

    The Panama Papers don’t seem to have much traction … I wonder why?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And $400 profit/person sounds awfully high. So i doubt that figure.

    What about $399?

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 11, 2016 8:09 am

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 8:13 am

    Malcolm Turnbull’s radical plan to pay for fast train

    MALCOLM Turnbull is set to announce a radical new funding plan that could see a (sic) hopes for a high speed rail network for Australia’s east coast finally start to speed up.

    The Prime Minister has previously lent support to plans for a fast train in Sydney for starters, with a view to building a larger high-speed rail network, but hasn’t been able to explain how his cash-strapped government would hope to pay for it.

    Mr Turnbull said the new fast train would be a dedicated, one way, single line, alternating with up and down trains pulled (or pushed) by engines using a multi technology mix (MTM), including steam, diesel, electric and solar power … there would be stops along the way (designated nodes) these would then be accessed by interested communities along the route, either by constructing their own roads and/or branch lines … staff will come from work for the dole and uni undergraduates paying off their HECS/HELP debts …

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malcolm-turnbulls-radical-plan-to-pay-for-fast-train/news-story/57b0119d9400c6d73ee4fa6f0eb883ee

    Lot of hope in that story too …

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 8:14 am

    Great minds, KL!

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 8:26 am

    Because at root, the Panama Papers are not about tax. They’re not even about money. What the Panama Papers really depict is the corruption of our democracy.

    Following on from LuxLeaks, the Panama Papers confirm that the super-rich have effectively exited the economic system the rest of us have to live in. Thirty years of runaway incomes for those at the top, and the full armoury of expensive financial sophistication, mean they no longer play by the same rules the rest of us have to follow. Tax havens are simply one reflection of that reality. Discussion of offshore centres can get bogged down in technicalities, but the best definition I’ve found comes from expert Nicholas Shaxson who sums them up as: “You take your money elsewhere, to another country, in order to escape the rules and laws of the society in which you operate.” In so doing, you rob your own society of cash for hospitals, schools, roads…

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/commentisfree/2016/apr/10/money-offshore-corrupt-democracy-political-influence?CMP=share_btn_tw

    The right wing silence is earth shattering … and knowledge bearing … Robber Barons in hiding!

    If they want to put their money in overseas tax havens … why don’t they go and fkn live there … want the benefits of our society? Then contribute to our society – its not yours to own!

    I prefer to live in a society … not survive in a rich people’s economy!

  348. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2016 9:07 am

    I thought penalty rates were being considered by the FWA (ie the IR regulator that the ALP created)

    Which MPs have been involved in the hearings of the full bench?

    I think Mark Dickenson is full of crap mistaken.

  349. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2016 9:09 am

    Mr Turnbull said the new fast train would be a dedicated, one way, single line, alternating with up and down trains pulled (or pushed) by engines using a multi technology mix (MTM), including steam, diesel, electric and solar power … there would be stops along the way (designated nodes) these would then be accessed by interested communities along the route, either by constructing their own roads and/or branch lines … staff will come from work for the dole and uni undergraduates paying off their HECS/HELP debts …

    This announcement is just screaming for this kind of mockery TB. Nicely done 😉

    What the Panama Papers really depict is the corruption of our democracy.

    But UNIONS =BOO!

  350. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2016 9:17 am

    This announcement is just screaming for this kind of mockery TB. Nicely done

    TB has no idea how much FTTP would cost to build or how long it would take. And also he does not care.

  351. Walrus permalink
    April 11, 2016 9:39 am

    “Link?”

    Here……………ROFLMAO

    “The South Australian Government has released plans to make South Australia a green energy hub for Australia’s eastern seaboard………..”

    “South Australia leads the nation in terms of renewable energy commercialization. Being a leader in green energy South Australia, with 8% of the nation’s population, captured 56% of the grid connected wind power, 30% of solar power and 90% of its geothermal developments…………..”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_South_Australia

    Like I said. If they want to live like Greenies they can suffer the consequences too.

  352. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2016 9:45 am

    If they want to live like Greenies they can suffer the consequences too.

    But just because SA is leading in renewables, that doesn’t automatically mean that renewables are the reason for the price gouging. And, from the article I linked to, it is quite obvious they are the scapegoat.

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 9:54 am

    I see Peter, Paul and Mary are still performing, TR … (Thanks for the nod, BTW) … another TurnAbbout Transformer Moment …

    Like I said. If they want to live like Greenies they can suffer the consequences too.

    They certainly are suffering the rip off merchants … in a particular a multi billionaire “communist” …

  354. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2016 10:44 am

    And, from the article I linked to, it is quite obvious they are the scapegoat.

    You lefties publish one article and everybody is supposed to believe it.

    Why did the journalist present the profit as profit/person rather than profit on investment? Is it possible that the company makes $400 profit/person? Why are they supposedly gouging SA customers but not gouging UK customers with its sister company?

  355. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2016 11:05 am

    You lefties publish one article

    lolz, ltdnews is now a “lefty rag” priceless

    Why do you continue to bicker over the measurement when the discrepancy is right there to see?

  356. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2016 11:08 am

    Why do you continue to bicker over the measurement when the discrepancy is right there to see

    Because after years of reading leftie crap i am suspicious when data is presented in a strange way.

    I am also suspicious of the company getting $400 profit/person. Sounds awfully high.

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 11:18 am

    Because after years of reading leftie crap

    GUFFAW!

  358. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2016 11:23 am

    I am also suspicious of the company getting $400 profit/person. Sounds awfully high.

    Does this mean sherlock is starting to get it?

  359. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2016 1:50 pm

    Does this mean sherlock is starting to get it?

    Don’t these companies need govt approval for price increases? If so i doubt they would be allowed to increase prices if they were making $400/person.

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 3:52 pm

    Working for the People …

    Ciobo told ABC Radio the Chinese steel industry could be good for other parts of the resources sector.

    “Most of the steel made in China is actually being made with Australian iron ore. So indirectly Australia is the winner from China’s production of steel because we sell them the iron ore they use,” the minister said. “We recognise that there is an international oversupply of steel. So this isn’t about Australia or China per se, this is about what’s happening on international basis.”

    Ciobo wound that statement back when asked what that meant for workers facing the prospect of losing their jobs.

    “Not for one moment am I dismissive of the immense change that’s taking place and the real challenge that exists for workers. But the real question at the heart of this is what can we do as a government to ensure we have a strong industry in the future,” he said.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/11/union-condemns-steve-ciobo-for-saying-chinese-steel-would-benefit-Australians

    The script just gets dumber and dumber!

    I prefer to live in a society … not survive in a trade agreement economy!

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 4:01 pm

    Chinese investment in Australia jumps 60% to $15bn

    Real estate continues to dominate but money flows into renewable energy, healthcare, mining and infrastructure

    The Commercial Invasion continues … its always struck me as significant that there are literally hundreds of Chinatowns around the globe … are there any Germantowns, or Kiwitowns, or Russiantowns, or Chiletowns … nup … and anyone that thinks all the action is in Chinatowns’ restaurants … think again …

    What happens when an Australian government decides to freeze China’s Australian assets or even seize them …

    Will China become militarily aggressive …

    I prefer to live in a society … not survive in a Chinese Empire!

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 5:02 pm

    ARROGANT HYPOCRITE!

    THE National Australia Bank has warned that Australia faces losing its AAA economic credit rating, unless spending is reined in for the Federal Budget.

    The report by NAB’s global head of research, Peter Jolly, today came as a warning, while Treasurer Scott Morrison is knuckling down with just three weeks to go before he delivers his first budget.

    Mr Jolly’s report stated that Australia faces an upcoming Federal election with Commonwealth debt already “pushing against ratings agencies’ AAA boundary”.

    He indicated that more “fiscal restraint” will be needed “at least if keeping the AAA rating is … desired”.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/federal-budget/nab-warns-that-australia-could-lose-its-aaa-credit-rating-if-the-federal-budget-lacks-fiscal-restraint/news-story/103199bdc565557c28757d31e4f6d19a

  363. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2016 6:03 pm

    ARROGANT HYPOCRITE!

    Why? Peter Jolly is right. And anybody who voted for Rudd in 2007 will be responsible when we lose our AAA rating. The next election will be a good one to lose.

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 7:34 pm

    Jolly works for NAB … what was their profit last year?

  365. Making Allowances permalink
    April 11, 2016 7:34 pm

    If so i doubt….

    I so agree, NoS. I’d probably take an n% RoR on high-figure future forecasts for capital outlays and everyday operations, while floating around, looking for innominate megabucks investors in a capital-parking sector, in an n% world awash with accumulated capital seeking yield, and ZIRPy and NIRPy payola, too.

    After all, who wouldn’t opt for international arbitrage and a future income stream guarantee ultimately deriving from an effectively privatised taxation of a natural monopoly and captive consumer-base?

    Perhaps that explains some of the dissatisfaction which an under-resourced (legislation, head and subordinate; personnel; operating budget) AER sometimes expressed in being made responsible for affixing claims for OPEX, CAPEX, and RoR on debt according to defined, characteristically-Australian modeling, whilst being keenly aware of (ir)regularities in a global/ised market of/for energy markets (and capital markets? and regulatory environments?)?

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 7:35 pm

    And anybody who voted for Rudd in 2007 will be responsible when we lose our AAA rating.

    If we lose our AAA rating its because of the Liberal government who have now been playing kindy politics for almost THREE years …

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2016 7:36 pm

    See! M gets it!

  368. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2016 7:53 pm

    If we lose our AAA rating its because of the Liberal government who have now been playing kindy politics for almost THREE years …

    Nope. Rudd/Gillard started a runaway debt truck. The Coalition tried to cut spending in their first budget but were called mean and nasty.

    And why is it the Coalition always has to fix up the mess Labor creates? Why doesn’t ALP fix up the mess it creates just for once?

    Fact is we need spending cuts and it looks like nobody wants to do it. Well goodbye AAA,

  369. AAA Mess permalink
    April 12, 2016 3:32 am

    The Coalition tried to cut spending in their first budget…./i>

    Did they? Or is that only what they said they were doing, per one fuller rendering of their ‘plan’ for the compleat(ed) ‘economy’?

    Which is to ask: What ever happened with growing the pie; by shrinking the government; by making scorched earth of the commonwealth, the public commons, and public delivery of public goods and services; by laying waste to public agencies and their institutional expertises and memories; and by redistributing the ‘savings’, and then some, in favour of extraordinary expansions of public, private, and public-private subscriptions to dysregulated privateers’ pseudo-markets; with bonus ongoing record outlays, predicated on perpetual debt, one way or another, during and forever after the initial (anti-)social-contract period’s (un)surprising smash’n’grab?

    And where does all of that frenetic activity fit in with Treasury’s sober(ing) and consistent (long-term fiscal) advices that maintaining, broadening, and deepening revenue( source)s is critical to securing the viability and activity of ordinary, citizen-oriented government, in the present and into the future; especially considering the persistent (and credit-rateable) undermining(s) by a Howard-Costello/Abbott-Hockey/Turnbull-Morrison/Abbott-Dutton(?) Party plan, in furtherance of a ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’ which, habitually, involves choice expenditure-side and revenue-side structural burden increases, such that (a) made-bare budget(s) ‘naturally’ demand(s) that more ‘savings’ and more ‘living within our means’ (or not, if more, and more-costly, private debt just keeps going up and up and up, even as more and more public subsidies, concessions, transfers and outlays accrue to preferred ‘private’ rent-seekers) is (paradoxically, both reluctantly and jubilantly) required?

  370. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 8:14 am

    I see the lolstralian can’t let the bullshitshrapnel report go. They reckon that they’re onto something just because the report had been released to Labor. They forget to mention that, this is probably why Labor were so quick off the front foot labeling it the bullshit it is. Funny, the fact that the report is crap isn’t mentioned in their propaganda sheet?

    And apparently koche on sunrise was running this line too, forgetting (?) to mention the report is crap. But then, koche has always been a dipshit.

  371. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 8:18 am

    Oh oh, dad jokes are back in vogue. The return of the zinger? 🙂

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 10:15 am

    THE TICKET PRICE PROBLEM

    The planned high-speed rail network from Melbourne to Brisbane and would cost about $114 billion, or about $5000 per Australian.

    Let’s assume that the government is happy to build it and never actually pay the cost back. Let’s assume they only want enough to pay the interest on the money to build it.

    If the government borrows $114 billion, the interest cost would be about $3 billion a year. So a high-speed rail would need to make $3 billion in profit a year.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/tell-him-hes-dreaming-why-malcolm-turnbulls-plan-for-high-speed-rail-is-a-joke/news-story/a8cc200d15cce3133b2989f256ec2df9

    NBN springs to mind … although the VFT is just a straight line … 🙂

  373. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 10:21 am

    the BS (how appropriate) Report is paywalled, TR … you waste your money on the oz?

    Don’t tell me you have Foxtel too?!

    koche … yep!

    If anyone has been watching Odyssey you may be interested to know that its original title is American Odyssey and it ran last year in the US … rumour has it that series one is also the last … for those interested there are 13 episodes … we’ve got three to go …

  374. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 10:23 am

    ltdnews has doubled down on the stoopid

    although the VFT is just a straight line

    don’t we chat to each other in a straight line too TB?

    Speaking of “straight lines”, there seems to be a straight line from taxpayers pockets to telstra courtesy of the NoBN

    ACCC raises competition concerns over NBN’s Telstra HFC deal

    https://delimiter.com.au/2016/04/12/accc-raises-competition-concerns-nbns-telstra-hfc-deal/?utm_content=buffer3052b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    I mean, really, after paying telstra another $billions to bring them back into the process (WTF!), they are now paying them even more to do the job NoBN was supposed to do, but with fibre.

    FAAAARRRKK

    but, with stoopid as strong as the oo complaining that Labor ignored a bullshit shrapnel reports (as ANYBODY with half a clue should have done) what hope for this country to get anything done

    thanks murdor, you fucken tool

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 11:03 am

    … thanks murdor, you fucken tool …

    I think he’s using it at the mo’ … TR

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 11:15 am

    Everyone must be sitting around that Morriscum Budget Forum at the moment … all the usual RW suspects are absent again … must be recharging for the DD (even that’s gone off the boil) …

    Dire Straits for the Libs at the moment …

    Even Clivey looked and sounded more dodgy than usual last night on Lateline … seems its quite normal to send memo’s to staff with a different name … Terry Smith? FFS!

    And all purchases over $500 had to be approved by Clivey – er Tel … a company that size with vetting at $500 is in deep shit!

  377. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 12, 2016 1:03 pm

    Well another manufacturer bits the dust

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-11/orange%27s-electrolux-closes-its-doors-for-good/7315122

    Australia’s last refrigerator factory, the Electrolux plant at Orange in central west NSW, will roll its last fridge off the production line today, after producing around 12 million fridges in its lifetime.

    In 2013 Electrolux announced it would close the factory and move production overseas.

    This is getting ridiculous. Do we actually manufacture anything here anymore?

  378. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 1:20 pm

    you waste your money on the oz?

    lol TB, good one 😉

    nah, but, I find with some twitter accounts, following their link can get you behind the wall, if only to see the idiocy in its full glory

    Although, I just tried it from the one in this thread, and it didn’t work?

    Such a loss 😦

  379. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 1:25 pm

    Do we actually manufacture anything here anymore?

    at least with robbs wonderful fta’s, they’ll come running back.

    or not

  380. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 1:31 pm

    Well done nanny staters! That’s gonna upset the French coloured carton counters no end

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 1:57 pm

    And yet people continue to SMOKE!

    Absofknstounding!

    Disclaimer: Started @ 11 quit (cold turkey) @ 32)

  382. Walrus permalink
    April 12, 2016 2:03 pm

    “This is getting ridiculous.”

    Well this is why………………

    “As of 2013 China produced 779 million metric tons of steel each year, making it by far the largest steel producing country in the world. This is compared to 165 for the European Union, 110 for Japan, 87 for the United States and 81 for India.[52] China’s 2013 steel production was equivalent to an average of 3.14 cubic meters of steel per second.[53]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_steel_industry_%281850%E2%80%931970%29

  383. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 12, 2016 3:06 pm

    Just heard Bowen on the radio. He said we got our AAA rating under Rudd/Gillard. Like i have said before i have never seen anything more deceitful or shameless than an ALP supporter or politician.

  384. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 3:30 pm

    China’s 2013 steel production was equivalent to an average of 3.14 cubic meters of steel per second

    yea, and it’s all shit!

  385. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 3:32 pm

    He said we got our AAA rating under Rudd/Gillard.

    er, we did get all three AAA credit ratings under Rudd/Gillard.

    #justsayin’

  386. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 12, 2016 3:34 pm

    Well this is why………………

    The people i talk to say it is the high wages that destroyed our manufacturing industry. Our wages are high even when we compare them to high wage countries like the USA and Western Europe.

    Apparently people at Holden were on $100K/year for production line work. I think that also may include some overtime. But those wages were way above what people were being paid in other industries doing similar work

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 3:40 pm

    “As of 2013 China produced 779 million metric tons of steel each year …

    Military History 101 … reduce the war making ability of your enemy …

    WWI couldn’t build weapons nor ammunition …

    WWII couldn’t build weapons nor ammunition, nor tanks, nor warships nor aeroplanes (latter 1942 – the Boomerang)

    Production and manufacturing are not just a good idea they help nations to survive in times of global crisis and provide a bank of knowledge, skills, techniques and R&D (INNOVATION!) for a wide range of industries … one of the problems with losing our car building expertise is that we lose the expertise … job opportunities and strangely enough government income …

    … er, we did get all three AAA credit ratings under Rudd/Gillard.

    Chuckle …

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 3:45 pm

    Our wages are high …

    So is our cost of living … reduce costs?

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-cost-of-living-worldwide-2015-1

  389. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2016 4:10 pm

    The people i talk to say …….

    Apparently ………..

    Yea, that says it all doesn’t it.

    I bet they blame Whyalla’s woes on ‘teh’ Unions, and nothing to do with management fucking up big time.

  390. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2016 5:02 pm

    A fast train from Brisbane would be great. Anything to get out of this hole more quickly. Fortunately I don’t have to stay here to eat.

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 12, 2016 5:18 pm

    So is our cost of living … reduce costs?

    I spent some time in the USA and i was amazed how cheap things were. For the price of a big mac in Australia you could get a big mac meal (big mac, fries, drink) in the USA. When i got there a pair of Reeboks cost $50 but $250 in Australia. But there were also lots of low paid workers in the USA.

    But some wages are too high in Australia. The CEO of Australia Post is on $4.8M/year. I bet you the same job running the USA postal service would pay much less.

    And i think Holden/Toyota workers were overpaid. Way more than people doing similar jobs for other companies in Australia

  392. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 5:57 pm

    so are people paid too much, or do things cost too much, neel?

    ======================================
    Anything to get out of this hole more quickly.

    Happy to see you fuck off (as wally would say)

    Fortunately I don’t have to stay here to eat.

    Fortunately we don’t give a fuck … (as wally would say)

    Thanks wally …

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 6:06 pm

    A BERWICK Catholic school has assured parents that it is ‘accepting of all students’ following accusations of censorship and LGBTI discrimination in relation to a sex ed class.

    During a class at the end of term one, Year 9 students from St Francis Xavier College were asked to tear out the page in a health workbook that contained definitions for heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and asexuality.

    The page also contained questions about premarital sex, the ‘right’ age to become sexually active and what to say to a friend who was thinking about having sex for the first time.

    Principal Vincent Feeney said the decision was made because questions relating to premarital sex would be better answered in religious education class.

    My bold … “religious education classes” WTF … who supports these wankers!

  394. Walrus permalink
    April 12, 2016 6:24 pm

    “WTF … who supports these wankers!”

    Usually the child’s parents. That’s why they are sent there.

    Fancy parents having a say over a child’s upbringing.

    I’m outraged !

  395. April 12, 2016 6:25 pm

    “A fast train from Brisbane would be great. Anything to get out of this hole more quickly..”

    My sympathies.

  396. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 6:58 pm

    I’m outraged !

    No your not your supportive of Australian tax payers supporting a fairytale world that doesn’t recognise children of all “genders” … only two … narrow minded pricks or whatever …

    Life under the catlyks is simplistic to say the least … and stupid generally!

    I dont (sic) think anyone can blame any single party on manufacturing

    Neither do I … its woefully ignorant of all Australians … see above …

    I noticed … I’ve just taken three wacks in a row, bastards … not including neel’s garbled comment …

    All I can say is, (as wally would say), get fucked!

    I’ve spent most of the day repairing kitchen kickboards after the tilers finished – they are now all 4/5mm less … the new porcelain tiles are a little thicker than the old one’s … a bit like Melbornitis … next week the stainless steel laminate arrives … so I’ll be really pissed off after doing that!

    When do the next polls turn up … that should be fun …

    “Bill Shorten is up there in his ill-fitting suit, puffing up his chest and saying we need to thump the table,” Mr Morrison said in the clip.

    Mr Shorten was asked if the treasurer’s comments hit him where it hurt.

    “I think the problem is that Australia has an ill-fitting Treasurer,” he hit back, to the delight of the panel and viewers alike.

    https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=b7cMV6maJcvN8gej7YGQCA&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Shorten+…+illfitting+treasurer+

    I’m rooted … time for a WT & ice !! Or two!

  397. April 12, 2016 7:17 pm

    “”I dont think anyone can blame any single party on manufacturing””

    AGREED!

    However, in addition to ‘services’ there is huge potential for Australia to be leading the way in renewables, but there’s only one party who seems to dead against that, and is actively campaigning against the development of the renewable energy industry, instead favouring the fossil fuel industry that no other developed nation wants anymore… Can you guess which party that is…?

  398. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2016 7:25 pm

    It’s great to be in the civilised region of the country.

    I’m happy with the fast train as long as there is passport control.to stop the northern hicks from coming south.

  399. April 12, 2016 7:30 pm

    “I’m happy with the fast train as long as there is passport control.”

    I agree.

    A dress code should be sufficient.

    That should be suffice to weed out the riff-raff.

  400. April 12, 2016 7:36 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  401. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2016 7:39 pm

    A dress code is a very good idea. That would prevent every Queenslander (perhaps other than the Gold Coast metre maids) out of the civilised regions.

    I met a consultant type today, business attire with sweaty underarms. Their initials embroidered on the shirt cuffs.

    Even business types have no idea of suitable attire.

    It’s a disgrace.

  402. April 12, 2016 7:51 pm

    “Even business types have no idea of suitable attire.”

    This is true.

    I’ve noticed that it’s fashionable these days for otherwise ordinary suit-wearing professionals to wear colourful ‘whacky’ socks to express their so-called ‘individuality’.

    I say enough of this nonsense.

    It’s akin to businessmen wearing ties emblazoned with Disney characters in the late 80’s.

    It’s a self-serving childish affectation that screams “look at me, I’m different, I’m an individual” while simultaneously confirming that this particular individual is manifestly ill-equipped to carry out their duties in a professional capacity.

    Oddly enough, it seems to be a dress-sense favoured amongst those of warmer climates. Not mentioning any States in particular.

    But then, QUEENSLAND.

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2016 8:00 pm

    Double vent dark grey fine wool suit. Blue shirt, cotton. Neutral silk tie. Black leather shoes. Black cotten socks.

    Don’t bother to have your initials embroidered on any item of clothing unless you’re a 13 year old at school.

    Queenslander observe NONE of the above

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 8:01 pm

    What a couple of diddums …

    As if I GAFF what you lot wear … I’m retired … shorts, shirt and sandals … oh, that’s right your from the weather capital of Wonderland … raining one hour, freezing the next … anoraks and balaclavas …

    If you don’t want visit the Sunshine of The North … none of us up here GAF … just ask Bob … plenty tourists who spend money pop in …

    But you do both seem to spend an inordinate amount of business time here … is that because Queensland is really where the action is … 🙂

    Always amused with Victorian number plates too … “Victoria The Place To Be” … so WTF are spending all your time driving around Queensland for? Fuck off (as wally would say)

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 8:01 pm

    Wait for the … silly reply …

  406. April 12, 2016 8:10 pm

    “”Wait for the … silly reply …””

  407. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2016 8:20 pm

    … shorts, shirt and sandals …

  408. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2016 8:23 pm

    The most popular restaurant in Brisbane..

  409. April 12, 2016 8:48 pm

    Fine dining in Brisbane..

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 8:48 pm

    Yes, MALfunction … we don’t need a Royal Commission into Banking and Financial Services …

    The head of the Australian Securities and Investments Commission has admitted budget cuts enacted by the Coalition have compromised the corporate watchdog’s ability to engage in proactive investigations.

    Asic suffered a cut of $120m over four years in the 2014 federal budget.

    The chairman of the commission, Greg Medcraft, said the cuts had “absolutely” resulted in less surveillance.

    “Seventy per cent of our resources are devoted to surveillance and enforcement and when you have cuts in the budget what happens is actually you reduce the level of proactive surveillance because proactive surveillance is discretionary,” he told ABC Radio. “What it means is that we see people less than we may have in a proactive setting.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/12/asic-chief-coalitions-cuts-reduced-our-capacity-to-investigate

  411. April 12, 2016 8:50 pm

    “”… shorts, shirt and sandals …””

    That guy in the shorts is a real turn on..!!

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 9:03 pm

    Oh!! BTW … I’ve grown a beard! Son in law’s 40th is themed Medieval, Myths and Magyk … in a couple of weeks …

    I originally suggested I turn up in a suit and blue tie and a Liberal Party rosette … (Medieval, Myths and Magyk) … ?

    Anyhoo, I have been loaned a Musketeer outfit! Rapier an’ all! So by the end of the night they’ll all (70 of ’em) be yelling “One fer all .. an’ all fer one!”

  413. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 9:05 pm

    Queenslander observe NONE of the above

    You really are a dick!

    And putting up yer local footy club photos of what passes for tucker is just a Melbournian fraud!

  414. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2016 9:08 pm

    … I’ve grown a beard!

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2016 10:38 pm

    That’s the one, ToM … although I no longer have a pipe …

    You really are a big, dick …

  416. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 7:09 am

    I dont think anyone can blame any single party on manufacturing

    Well, some in the know certainly knew who to blame for Holdens demise.

    ”Are you seeing this question time attack on Holden?” read the text message, sent by a company insider. ”Taunting [Holden] to leave. It’s extraordinary.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/question-time-government-outrage-was-death-knell-for-holden-20131211-2z6io.html#ixzz45dzM8vUx
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    We cannot say for sure IF Holdens would have survived, But without doubt, this current mob made their decision highly untenable

  417. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 13, 2016 8:23 am

    “…My bold … “religious education classes” WTF … who supports these wankers!…”

    “…The page also contained questions about premarital sex, the ‘right’ age to become sexually active and what to say to a friend who was thinking about having sex for the first time…”

    That’s why you have 15 yo girls getting pregnant and 15 yo boys getting away with ‘boys will be boys’ and ‘the girl is a slut’ timeless attitudes.

    …were asked to tear out the page in a health workbook that contained definitions for heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and asexuality…

    Because as we all know, if the kids see those words, they will think deviation is OK [even if they are strangely ‘accepting of all students’]

    🙄

  418. Walrus permalink
    April 13, 2016 9:13 am

    “It’s akin to businessmen wearing ties emblazoned with Disney characters in the late 80’s.”

    I had one of those.

    I also fondly recall a denim shirt I had emblazoned on the back with various Disney characters e.g. Road Runner, Bugs Bunny, the Tassie Devil, Sylvester the Cat etc. The babes loved it and quickly started up conversation in discos and pubs.

    It got me laid 3 times.

    Oh the memories

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2016 9:38 am

    Blink blink …

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2016 9:48 am

    Sometimes the law is sillier than some TGT comments …

    Queensland man could be jailed for life after alleged relationship with adopted sister

    Judge Paul Smith says ‘in the eyes of the law’ the alleged perpetrator is considered to be the victim’s natural brother …

    The man now faces a maximum of life imprisonment for the more than 25-year-old offences.

    Another demonstration of the ignorance of politicians …

  421. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 10:22 am

    It got me laid 3 times.

    I’m fairly sure you meant to write “laid out” there, didn’t you?

  422. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2016 10:27 am

    Well, some in the know certainly knew who to blame for Holdens demise.

    Playing politics with the lives of people is shameful and typical for Labor supporters. Holden left for the same reason most of our manufacturing has left. And it is amazing how short a period of time it took.

    In the late 1970’s, early 1980’s we made everything in Australia and now it is mostly gone. If it was not for mining and agriculture we would be cactus. And the ALP/Greens want to stop people using coal our second biggest export.

  423. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 10:41 am

    Playing politics with the lives of people is shameful

    Yea, so perhaps hockey shouldn’t have played politics with Holden in QT then

    and now it is mostly gone.

    And the libs are making damn sure of it too.

  424. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 11:02 am

    lol

    And I’m not saying he’s completely wrong either 😉

  425. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2016 12:21 pm

    Yea, so perhaps hockey shouldn’t have played politics with Holden in QT then

    And therein is why most ALP policies fail. You are either too stupid, too deceitful too dishonest and/or too uncaring. And Hawthorne is wrong, there were no funding cuts.

    Whatever happened to this from 2010?

    http://pmtranscripts.dpmc.gov.au/release/transcript-18458

    So, I’m pleased to be here today with the Premier, with Minister Combet, with Holden and Mike, to announce some good news. And the good news is that the future of General Motors is now secure in this country for the next decade.

    Holden will be here in Australia producing cars for at least the next 10 years. That’s great news. And it’s as a result of a more than $1 billion co-investment between the Federal Government, the South Australian Government, the Victorian Government and of course Holden, which is investing strongly in the future of manufacturing Holden cars here in Australia

    Somebody is lying. Either Gillard or Holden.

  426. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 12:56 pm

    co-investment between the Federal Government

    Is the the same Federal Government that told them to Fuck Off!

    Oh, no, it was THIS Federal Government that did that. all deals are off when someone tells you that, context or not. (I’m pretty sure that would be in the fine print 😉 )

  427. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2016 1:01 pm

    TomR

    You really are a deceitful human. I got the date wrong. It was in 2012 that Gillard said Holden would be making cars for the next 10 years.

    Nothing more deceitful than an ALP supporter. The ALP does nothing but destroy the lives of people. The strange thing is that the people whose lives are destroyed keep voting ALP.

    Gillard lied. Holden lied. They both promised production for the next 10 years.

    Is the the same Federal Government that told them to Fuck Off!

    No. Hockey wanted to know what Holdens intentions were.

    It is about time we condemn people for lying. Gillard lied. Holden lied. They both said in 2012 Holden would be making cars for the next 10 years

  428. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 1:31 pm

    Hockey wanted to know what Holdens intentions were.

    Yea, I’m guessing saying that the government isn’t subsidising anything anymore (and then backing that up by not subsidising anything (manufacturing related anyway, wally kept his hand out) is just banter.

    Holden needed assurances. The Government wouldn’t give them. And then threatened them in question time.

    hockey etal killed our auto industry. Deliberately. We are now beginning to see the result of that bastardy.

  429. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2016 1:40 pm

    Yea, I’m guessing saying that the government isn’t subsidising anything anymore

    You immoral piece of filth. Govt funding was there until 2020
    http://www.business.gov.au/grants-and-assistance/manufacturing/ats/Pages/default.aspx

    The Automotive Transformation Scheme (ATS) commenced on 1 January 2011 and will run until 31 December 2020.

    The ATS will provide $2.5 billion in capped assistance and approximately $337 million in uncapped assistance.

    We have been over this a million times and you keep telling the same lies. After Ford left under Gillard, Holden wanted even MORE money. Hockey said what was promised was all they were going to get

    The reason the Australian govt locked up 8,000 children was because it was voted in by totally corrupt and immoral people

  430. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 2:20 pm

    Govt funding was there until 2020

    Is that the funding they had re-instate?

    It was clear what the Governments intentions were, to any moron, even you. Holden needed the certainty, and hockey etal certainly provided them with that.

    Hockey threatened them in Parliament, Holden left, Toyota followed knowing that alone, they couldn’t survive here.

    The death of our auto industry, and much of what is left of any manufacturing, and many other enterprises that relied on the automotive industry, is just a small part of the wreckage this mob has inflicted on our country.

    And all the time siphoning billions into their mates pockets.

  431. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2016 2:27 pm

    I was going to say your insane TomR. But you are not insane. You are immoral.

  432. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 2:42 pm

    I was going to say your insane

    I’m pretty sure you’ve called me every name under the sun nil, and yet none of them changes the simple fact that this mob is personally responsible for the death of our automotive industry

  433. Walrus permalink
    April 13, 2016 4:15 pm

    Excellent

    When Turnbull boards that plane for China tonight Barnaby Joyce will be officially running the Country.

    All you Lefties should be getting a knock on the door around midnight.

    Finally our chance to be rid of you all 🙂

  434. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2016 4:50 pm

    Is that the funding they had re-instate?

    Telling lies again. Typical ALP supporter. AFTER Holden announced they were leaving there was some discussion about stopping funding to save some money but the Coalition never went through with cutting the funding because they never had the numbers in the Senate to stop auto funding.

    I was going to say stop telling lies but there is not point. You are a born liar and will never stop telling lies. There was nothing to re-instate because nothing was cut.

    Funding was in legislation until 2020 and it would take an act of Parliament to change that and the Coalition did not have the numbers in the Senate to do that.

  435. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2016 6:34 pm

    All you Lefties should be getting a knock on the door around midnight.

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2016 7:19 pm

    I know how to set and fire a Claymore …

    Just sayin’ …

  437. April 14, 2016 8:49 am

    Essential reading for those who would enjoy a concise recap of the last three years under the LNP…

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/13/alarmism-economic-idiocy-and-orwellian-appointments-three-years-of-political-disaster?CMP=twt_gu

  438. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2016 8:59 am

    who would enjoy a concise recap of the last three years under the LNP…

    for the abridged version

  439. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2016 11:17 am

    Finance Minister Mathias Cormann all but confirmed the budget would contain tax increases.

    But he insisted the government would be focused on “taxing better” than Labor which was proposing to tax “in a bad way”.

    My dad’s bigger ‘n your dad … my dad’s a policeman … da da … da da … dah!

    How fkn childish can these dopes get …?

    Morriscum … “What I can tell you about revenue is our revenue measures are designed not to increase the tax burden on the Australian economy.”

    No burden on the economy … just the society …

    Dickhead …

  440. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2016 11:20 am

    Well lefties this is what your vote in 2007 did

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/budget/political-failure-leaves-morrison-only-tax-hikes-to-save-aaa-rating-says-moodys-20160414-go6k3e

    Australia’s debt had climbed to 35 per cent of gross domestic product, from 11.6 per cent a decade ago, she said, compared with the relatively stable 41 per cent average of other AAA-rated countries over that time.

    Worse for us is that most of our debt is foreign unlike most other Western Countries.

    Thanks TB, Reb, Walrus, Toilet and any other deadbeat who voted for Rudd.

  441. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2016 12:32 pm

    How fkn childish can these dopes get …?

    CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

    Well lefties this is what your vote in 2007 did

    fer nil

  442. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2016 12:46 pm

    Typical comment.

    Taking NO responsibility for the 8,000 children you locked up, rapes, murders etc. The runaway debt truck you lefties created. See what pluckaduck is doing in Queensland? Creating more debt like all lefties do.

    Do you lefties do anything useful?

  443. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2016 1:21 pm

    The runaway debt truck you lefties created.

    What runaway debt truck. If the libs had maintained Labors policies and expenditures, we wouldn’t have the runaway debt. The debt was all for the GFC, after that, Labor were on track to return to surplus

  444. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2016 1:31 pm

    The GFc was over by 2010.

    The ALP only produces debt and unemployment. Always had always will.

    TomR you do not care about people. You only care about the ALP being elected.

    And yes the GFC was responsible for the ALP locking up 8,000 children.

  445. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2016 1:43 pm

    The GFc was over by 2010.

    Tell it to those in America etal that lost everything

  446. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2016 1:48 pm

    When did the GFC end? Has it finished?

    Did the GFC cause 50,000 boat people to be locked up by the ALP? Did the GFC cause the ALP to lock up 8,000 children?

  447. Walrus permalink
    April 15, 2016 1:50 pm

    “Labor were on track to return to surplus”

    LMAO

  448. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2016 1:55 pm

    Labor were on track to return to surplus

    Really?

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    Wayne Swan 8 May 2012

  449. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2016 2:10 pm

    Really?

    That’s what the numbers were telling. Labors problem was promising it too early, in 2013, instead of 2016. But poor politics doesn’t change the facts.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-01/jericho-budget/4660850

  450. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2016 2:32 pm

    That’s what the numbers were telling.

    Have you ever checked the 2010 numbers published just before Gillard won the 2010 election?

    http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/Publications/2010/PEFO-2010/Report/Fiscal-Outlook

    Table 5 says Swans last two budgets should have been surplus budget of $5B and $6B dollars.

    Swans last budget was actually a deficit of $48B.

  451. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2016 2:47 pm

    Swans last budget was actually a deficit of $48B.

    ITS NOW 2016 … and Swan is no longer treasurer …

    … the LibNits are on Treasurer V 2.0 and still they wring their hands and pronounce the End of The World is Nigh!

    And do SFA!

    And the TurnAbbout governments have made it worse … a gift of $9 billion to the RBA … more fkn F35’s how many have we now on order? How many have we got?

    And a $200 billion boost to defence?

    Wages nosediving, full time jobs nosediving, manufacturing nosediving, renewable energy wallowing and could boost the economy … designing and manufacturing renewable energy products … developing energy storage systems … agriculture and aquaculture out in nowhere land and the infrastructure to service them almost none existent … roads, rail, water, townships …

    These dopes want a consumer led economy … (they’ve fkd society) … but aren’t willing or can’t see or don’t have the competence to know that you have to spend money to make money … in health, education and infrastructure …

    The nation is stagnating …

  452. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2016 3:04 pm

    And the TurnAbbout governments have made it worse

    Actually it is not worse. Hockeys first budget was a $39B deficit which is smaller than Swans last budget deficit.

    But even if what you say is true-so what? Everything got worse under Rudd/Gillard but that did not change your vote.

    And Rudd/Gillard locked up 8,000 children. That was not due to the GFC but a ALP policy change. And the taxpayer has spent $15B on one failed ALP mistake. Let alone all the others.

  453. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2016 4:59 pm

    Swans last budget was actually a deficit of $48B.

    Actually nil, it was $18 Billion, and falling, in line with the projections for a return to surplus by 2016.

    Everything else was hockey etal being dicks and bald faced liars. And that hasn’t changed

  454. Walrus permalink
    April 15, 2016 6:05 pm

    “Actually nil, it was $18 Billion, and falling,………..”

    You are so full of crap King Troll. $18B was not “actually”……………..the true deficit but yet another Swan forecast none of which proved accurate

    “The 2013 budget estimated total revenue of A$387.7 billion[1] and spending of A$398.3 billion, a deficit of A$18 billion,…………”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_budget,_2013#Deficit

  455. Walrus permalink
    April 15, 2016 6:08 pm

    “The government’s Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook (MYEFO) reveals a deficit for 2013/14 of A$47 billion, with deficits in subsequent years adding up to A$122.7 billion.”

    http://theconversation.com/all-options-on-the-table-hockey-unveils-myefo-experts-react-21575

  456. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2016 6:34 pm

    The government’s Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook

    Yes, and we all know what a load of unadulterated bullshit hockeys little loaded myefo was. The fact that you keep going back to that just shows how lost you are for a real argument.

    from your wiki link

    means a return to surplus is unlikely in the following two federal budgets.

    So, still in the projection to return to surplus by 2016

    Until hockey got in and fucked things up royally

    fucken myefo, hilarious

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-17/joe-hockey-myefo-budget-details/5162512

  457. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2016 7:52 pm

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    Wayne Swan 8 May 2012

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/overview/html/overview_44.htm

    According to Swan the 4 surpluses were going to be

    2012 $1.5B
    2013 $2.0B
    2014 $5.3B
    2015 $7.4B

    Swan is a liar/fool and so is anybody who believes in Swan

  458. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2016 9:42 am

    The tsunami begins … as coal dies and The Renewable Energy Era is born …

    Norway’s sovereign wealth fund, the world’s biggest, has excluded 52 coal-related companies in line with new ethical guidelines barring it from investing in such groups, Norway’s central bank said on Thursday.

    The move was seen as a sign of the growing influence investors wield in the fight against climate change.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/15/worlds-biggest-wealth-fund-excludes-52-coal-related-groups

  459. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2016 10:46 am

    as coal dies and The Renewable Energy Era is born …

    After destroying our manufacturing industry lefties now want to destroy coal mining our second biggest export.

  460. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2016 3:04 pm

    According to Swan the 4 surpluses were going to be

    Yes, but as I said, ignore what Swan foolishly promised, look instead to the actual numbers. They are what counts, and they told us we would be back in surplus by 2016.

    They are not Swans promises, they are Treasury’s figures. Without hockeys stoopid giveaways and tack ons.

  461. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2016 3:18 pm

    Yes, but as I said, ignore what Swan foolishly promised, look instead to the actual numbers

    ????

    They were the actual numbers. The Australian budget is an official document published by the govt. I am not sure what you are trying to say.

    On 8 May 2012 Wayne Swan told everybody with the backing of Treasury that there would be 4 surplus budgets of $1.5B, $2B, $5.3B and $7.4B from 2012-2015.

    It was a solemn declaration to the Australia people written in the 2012 budget.

    The numbers in 2012 said we would have 4 surplus budgets

  462. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2016 3:35 pm

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/bp1/html/bp1_bst1-01.htm

    The Government is returning the budget to surplus in 2012‑13 and will build growing surpluses over the forward estimates, while also spreading the benefits of the mining boom to help families on low and middle incomes and small business………The underlying cash surplus is expected to be $1.5 billion (0.1 per cent of GDP) in 2012‑13, rising to $7.5 billion (0.4 per cent of GDP) by 2015‑16. This follows a revised deficit of $44.4 billion (3.0 per cent of GDP) in 2011‑12 (Table 1).

  463. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2016 4:25 pm

    They were the actual numbers. The Australian budget is an official document published by the govt. I am not sure what you are trying to say.

    More edification, neel …

    1. an estimate of income and expenditure for a set period of time.

    eg AN ESTIMATE!

    Or

    Simple Definition of budget

    1 : an amount of money available for spending that is based on a plan for how it will be spent

    2 : a plan used to decide the amount of money that can be spent and how it will be spent

    3 : an official statement from a government about how much it plans to spend during a particular period of time and how it will pay for the expenses

    eg BASED ON A PLAN

    A budget is not “real numbers” it is a plan based upon estimates …

    That’s what, TR, IS saying … not “trying” to say …

  464. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2016 4:26 pm

    The underlying cash surplus is expected to be …

    See its a GUESS? Not real numbers at all …

  465. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2016 4:41 pm

    See its a GUESS? Not real numbers at all …

    OK i sort of agree but everybody knew Swan was lying. What are you trying to say?

    I was responding to this

    Yes, but as I said, ignore what Swan foolishly promised, look instead to the actual numbers.

    What did TomR mean by looking at the actual numbers? The budget papers are the actual numbers

  466. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2016 4:48 pm

  467. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2016 6:24 pm

    The budget papers are the actual numbers

    Jesus fkn wept … why do we bother!

    Arghghghghghgh!

  468. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2016 6:34 pm

    What did TomR mean when he said this?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/03/30/turnbulls-latest-tax-plan-another-gift-for-labor/#comment-125385


    Yes, but as I said, ignore what Swan foolishly promised, look instead to the actual numbers. They are what counts, and they told us we would be back in surplus by 2016.

    What actual numbers is he talking about?

  469. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2016 8:11 pm

    neel, I can’t speak for, TR, or what he meant but look at this … its ACTUAL spending …

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-spending

    Problem is WHAT the present government is spending on – mostly DEFENCE and BIG BUSINESS …

    … not EDUCATION and HEALTH … nor INFRASTRUCTURE … for ORDINARY AUSTRALIANS … the things that develop a country …

    … our only real DEFENCE threat is that China will want to expand here … and China knows that if that happens she will initiate WW3 (our NATO and US alliances and of course NZ our cousins across the Ditch would be her in an instant!) … and that is not part of the 500 year plan … (there are positives and negatives in all aspects of life) …

    The Liberal Party have also … through ideology set us back in the NBN (fibre optic communication) … and destroyed our ability to be INNOVATIVE … thanks to Tony Abbott … AND Malcolm Turnbull who was too weak willed to stop Tony Abbott earlier …

    The subject you try and understand (politics) is far more complex than Liberal good … Labor bad …

    Sometimes Labor is good … sometimes Liberal is good … mostly both are fkn BAD!

    Don’t get sucked into the ideological bullshit of either side … work kit out for OUR benefit!

  470. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2016 8:23 pm

    If this was the “inventor of the internet” AKA the “destroyer of the NBN” how would he have answered …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/canadian-pm-was-jokingly-asked-about-quantum-computing-and-gives-perfect-answer/news-story/4d54017269464a79552ecf90637903d1

  471. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2016 8:28 pm

    Stupidity extreme … dumb and dumber …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/mobilefriendly-movie-cinemas-may-be-coming-to-a-theatre-near-you/news-story/bb527139066c32a28ed841883da68a99

    In an attempt to attract Millenials they’ll isolate ALL the other film-goers … LOL!~

    Fuckwit Extreme!

    Put yer phkn phone away!

    Dumbest idea of the century!

  472. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2016 2:41 pm

    AUSTRALIA HAS A SPENDING PROBLEM!

    BULLSHIT!

    WE HAVE AN INCOMPETENT POLITICIANS PROBLEM!

    Bronwyn Bishop will receive $200,000 and …

    The Abbott government promised to ban the Gold Pass, which gave MPs free business-class travel for life in the 2014 budget.

    But after passing the House of Representatives in October 2014, the legislation to crack down on the perks have been conveniently placed in the too hard basket for 500 days.

    If the change are not passed before the election, more than 100 retired MPs who have had their free business-class flights revoked will be soon be able to fly again.

    NOW CONSIDER THIS!

    MEDALS ARE A CHEAP PAYOFF!

    Australians are indoctrinated to a belief that those who serve will be embraced by Defence and the Department of Veterans Affairs long after they leave. Cradle-to-the-grave, they call it.

    Across Australia, the faces of those who have known homelessness, post-traumatic stress disorder and suicide attempts, tell a different story. The government’s affairs when it comes to looking after young veterans remain badly out of order.

    Defence cannot shake a culture that sees those with mental injury sidelined and drummed out of service.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/how-were-failing-our-australian-veterans-left-with-posttraumatic-stress-disorder-and-homelessness/news-story/e400d62f1729585d481e5518edf2c64d

  473. Tom R permalink
    April 17, 2016 3:13 pm

    What actual numbers is he talking about?

    The actual numbers that Grog provided a breakdown for, as I linked to earlier

    In reality its predictions of the budget situation were pretty much on the money – perhaps even too conservative. But a year later the Government in a misconstrued desire to win the race of economic management through achieving speedy returns to a surplus, shifted the goal from 2015-16 to 2012-13.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-01/jericho-budget/4660850

    As I said, swan lost it when he got spooked by the “deficit disaster” ramped up by the libs and the msm, but that doesn’t change the fact of the numbers. Under those projections, we would have been in surplus by the end of this year. Those numbers now point to the never never. And that was all hockey etal

  474. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2016 9:18 am

    Government hits back at union ads

    A union advertising campaign that claims ice addicts have more rights than construction workers will have under a building industry watchdog have been labelled hysterical and disgusting by the Turnbull government.

    The CFMEU has begun airing the 30-second advertisements to coincide with parliament returning early to consider restoration of the Australian Building and Construction Commission.

    Attorney-General George Brandis said the commission’s powers were the same as those contained in existing Fair Work laws created by Labor and available to other regulators such as ASIC.

    Senator Brandis described the ads as hysterical and false.

    “It goes to show the depths to which the CFMEU will stoop in trying to protect their own position in this industry that the best they can do is run a campaign which is utterly dishonest,” he told ABC radio.

    Re: the bold (mine) … so what’s all the fuss about if the powers already exist?

    Whoo scary, Georgey … could you imagine this twit in court?

    http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/breaking-news/government-hits-back-at-union-ads/news-story/13ffb53134cff37702e71ceee0c66ceb

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see my sense of humour is holding up, too … 51 Labor 49 LibNits

    The 39-point margin that Mr Turnbull enjoyed over Mr Shorten as better prime minister at the start of the year has been halved to 19 points.

    Satisfaction with Mr Turnbull’s performance as prime minister has fallen for the fifth consecutive Newspoll survey, dropping another two points to 36 per cent.

    Mr Shorten’s satisfaction rating was down one point to 31 per cent.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/close-result-predicted-for-election-poll/news-story/70b27b30d4cb7169f292611452c709c9

  475. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2016 9:41 am

    As I said, swan lost it when he got spooked by the “deficit disaster” ramped up by the libs and the msm, but that doesn’t change the fact of the numbers. Under those projections, we would have been in surplus by the end of this year.

    Still not sure what you are talking about. Swan/Treasury got no projections right. In May 2008 Swan/Treasury were preparing a budget to fight inflation unaware of the GFC about to hit in a few months time

  476. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2016 12:24 pm

    2016 … Black Lung … we need unions because?

    Qld miner wins black lung compo claim

    A central Queensland coal miner has won a worker’s compensation claim due to suffering from black lung disease.

    Keith Stoddart, one of six Queenslanders diagnosed with the potentially life-threatening disease, was successful when employers Anglo-American decided not to oppose his claim.

    “At least I know they’ve recognised it and I’m not going through all this for nothing,” he told ABC Radio. “I just was told there’s not black lung anymore, and all this, when I first started.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-miner-wins-black-lung-compo-claim/news-story/b7f4f05e8107b4f572c264fec581ed36

  477. Tom R permalink
    April 18, 2016 1:19 pm

    we need unions because?

    Workers have the RIGHT for less pay

    Workers have the RIGHT for an unsafe workplace

    Isn’t that what those “truckies”* are fighting for?

    * in this context, “truckies” means their bosses, who want to exploit the drivers.

  478. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2016 3:35 pm

    … we need unions because?

    I haven’t seen anyone on this blog suggesting that we don’t need unions, what we need are unions that respect the law.

    …and with union membership at about 1 in 15 of the private sector, the majority of people don’t seem interested in union membership. These days the electorate expects legislated protection and employment conditions.

    The electorate punishes any government (or political party) that neglects to look after (or pay attentions to) their workplace interests.

    Unions tend to do a good job at putting themselves about of business – they’re on the nose because most people prefer to join organisations that are inclined to adhere to the law.

  479. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2016 3:36 pm

    …and that should be 1 in 7 of the private sector (but heading towards 1 in 15)

  480. Tom R permalink
    April 18, 2016 3:59 pm

    what we need are unions that respect the law.

    But what if the law doesn’t respect the law.

    A complaint from the construction union to the commonwealth ombudsman paints an extraordinary picture of heavy-handed tactics by special police taskforces, including a police officer allegedly warning one unionist he knew his children’s names and what time he dropped them off to school.

    The letter, sent by the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) on Tuesday, complains that police repeatedly attempted to question witnesses without their lawyers present and, in one case, demanded a junior employee grant access to union headquarters during a raid without first showing her a warrant.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/16/police-intimidation-claimed-in-building-unions-complaint-to-ombudsman?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    I’m still waiting for your massive list of convictions? Meanwhile, I’ll keep you up to date every time another dodgy accusation falls into a heap when the ACTUAL LAW gets around to them 😉

  481. Tom R permalink
    April 18, 2016 4:06 pm

    I wonder if jamesmates ™ are still looking through the same rose tinted goggles they wore back when?

    In my past experiences of bleached corals, the effect is patchy and, while one area is devastated, another will be mysteriously untouched. Yet the scale of this bleaching event has even the most sober and senior coral reef scientists worried. If the rhetoric from marine biologists is to be believed, then the Great Barrier Reef is now in the grip of a “bommie apocalypse”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/17/great-barrier-reef-worst-destruction?CMP=share_btn_tw

  482. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2016 4:10 pm

    When 1 in 7 people think union membership is worthwhile, you know it’s a losing battle.

    Unions are on the nose and they have been for a couple of decades…thanks for the reputation CFMEU!
    —————
    The public expects the government to provide decent minimum employment conditions and protections, so they’re not willing to cough up to have unions do it as well.

  483. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2016 4:18 pm

    The public expects the government to provide decent minimum employment conditions and protections, so they’re not willing to cough up to have unions do it as well.

    They might be soon …

    You are right about one thing though … this government is only interested in MINIMUM wages and conditions …

    I’ve said this before … unions are the result of poor management … and now rotten government … to the core …

  484. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2016 4:22 pm

    Why TB, do you think the government should set wages and conditions above the minimum? What would that standard then become?

    Although they do set conditions above the minimum – the public service for example, and isn’t that a benchmark in organisational efficiency and motivation?

  485. April 18, 2016 4:24 pm

    “”… and isn’t that a benchmark in organisational efficiency and motivation?””

    chortle chortle chortle….. 🙂

  486. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2016 4:33 pm

    … and isn’t that a benchmark in organisational efficiency and motivation?

    I get the impression you’d know a bit about that … with that big 99% more than other folks tax bill …

    do you think the government should set wages and conditions above the minimum?

    Well ya can’t have it both ways … ya either set the minimum or let the unions and business sort it …

    I’ve always been a fan of the award system … (tripartite) … independent umpire …

    Speaking of which … government doesn’t set minimum wages and conditions anyway!

  487. Tom R permalink
    April 18, 2016 4:54 pm

    thanks for the reputation CFMEU!

    I think you mean thanks to a long and unadulterated campaign of dishonestly and lies perpetuated for years by our media and their libs mates.

    Unions ARE a victim of their success. They have forced the system to have these standards (we’ll call them Awards, just fer arguments sake), and in the process set up a system that SHOULD look after itself. And, if you believed the papers, it does.

    But, the blatant greed of employers is boundless, which keeps Unions coming back, as we are seeing again.

    You need to question a business model that cannot afford to pay drivers a safe minimum hourly rate before it is put out of business. You also need to question an economic system that requires truck drivers to work unsafe hours just to earn enough money to live and a Government prepared to scrap a body set up to save drivers’ lives.

    https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/get-trucked-scrapping-road-safety-remuneration-tribunal-endangers-all-our-lives,8875#.VxGJwvs9Rls.twitter

  488. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2016 5:17 pm

    I think you’ll find that if the government sets NES and job security related standards through legislation, sets up an industrial regulator, employs lots of workplace inspectors, establishes workplace tribunals, selects the members of the tribunal, employs the tribunal members…it’s reasonable to suggest that the government sets minimum wages and conditions.

  489. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2016 6:23 pm

    it’s reasonable to suggest that the government sets minimum wages and conditions.

    No, its not …

    That’s like saying a government decides a trial … because they appoint judges and sheriffs and a police force …

    Do you know how awards are developed and changed?

  490. Walrus permalink
    April 18, 2016 6:28 pm

    “……and a Government prepared to scrap a body set up to save drivers’ lives.”

    Which its not designed to do. Its entire reason for existence was to put private operators out of business, boost TWU memberships and help out the big trucking companies.

    And why the fuck is the Government now into telling people what road haulage rate someone must charge.

    As far as real road safety is concerned why the fuck aren’t we looking at GPS technology to ensure drivers take their required breaks ?

    Its already used by the RMS in NSW to make sure overweight trucks do not try and rat run using residential streets not designed for heavy loads.

    But the TWU would probably fight against that too

  491. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2016 6:37 pm

    Wally, while I do agree with much of that comment … there’ is compelling evidence that pay rates are liked to accidents …

    Odd I agree but the research seems to support that …

    “private operators” who employ drivers … who take drugs to stay on the road … and drive way over their limits and are encouraged by owner/operators … you’re advocating one rule for big business and another for small business …

    My mate’s brother died in his 20’s ran his truck over a cliff … blood samples were not pretty … may mate, also ma truckie, committed suicide a couple of years ago … his method was certainly not pretty!

  492. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2016 6:38 pm

    DD ON!

  493. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2016 6:45 pm

    Which its not designed to do. Its entire reason for existence was to put private operators out of business, boost TWU memberships and help out the big trucking companies.

    That is what i have been hearing on talkback radio. Also stated was the private operators keep their trucks in better shape because they have to. Driver who work for the big trucking companies do not worry so much about the maintenance of their trucks. Also stated was the private operators were safer drivers

  494. Tom R permalink
    April 18, 2016 6:55 pm

    That is what i have been hearing on talkback radio

    ROFL

    😯

  495. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2016 7:09 pm

    Another thing i heard was that a private truckie may get a job to take stuff to say Mt Isa. So he doesn’t drive back empty he may offer half price for the return journey, something he cannot do if he has to charge a minimum price

  496. April 18, 2016 7:27 pm

    “”That is what i have been hearing on talkback radio””

    Nah, that’s just the voices in yer head Neil…

  497. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2016 7:51 pm

    TB, please look at NES. What do you think the NES are?

  498. Tom R permalink
    April 18, 2016 8:48 pm

    Nah, that’s just the voices in yer head Neil…

    Perhaps they are one and the same?

  499. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2016 9:23 pm

    TB seems to be under the archaic notion that it’s only tribunals and awards that regulate wages and conditions.

  500. April 18, 2016 10:26 pm

    Fuck youse all.

  501. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 19, 2016 12:15 am

    Owner operators?

    The ICA and ODA: The IPA’s sham anti-truckie astroturfing operation
    https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-ica-and-oda-the-ipas-sham-anti-truckie-astroturfing-operation,8896#.VxRkCjCDUA0.twitter

    …In short, Independent Contractors Australia (ICA) is a sham organisation representing the interests of big business, not independent contractors or owner drivers.

    Sourcewatch describes this body as follows:

    Independent Contractors of Australia (ICA) (also known as the Independent Contractors Association) is a front group for the Australian labour hire and recruiting industry, and employer groups. It campaigns to strip protections from contractors, often representing those campaigns as the opposite of their true purpose.
    The people behind the ICA are far from being “independent contractors”:…

    …The ODA calls itself a “division” of ICA on its website and lists its spokesperson as ICA executive director Ken Phillips. Has Phillips ever driven a truck? It seems unlikely.

    So, here we have the ODA, which is a front for the IPA, which is itself a front for big business. A front for a front for a front. Or, more succintly, an affront…

  502. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2016 6:43 am

    Fuck youse all.

    I AGREE!!

  503. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2016 7:23 am

    The ICA and ODA: The IPA’s sham anti-truckie astroturfing operation

    Yep, the libs are genius at getting workers to rip themselves off. Mind you, it really looks more that most actual “small” operators are too busy operating to get involved in political posturing. It’s the larger ones who actually use the smaller ones who want to continue being able to rip off the actual small ones. From where it looks from here. But, people on talk back said stuff 😉

    Perhaps these small operators should align themselves with the TWU rather than the ODA, who appear to be doing their best to keep the truckies undercutting each other, with no base in site

  504. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2016 8:27 am

  505. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2016 9:27 am

    TB seems to be under the archaic notion that it’s only tribunals and awards that regulate wages and conditions.

    The NES as a panel determines minimums … but seeks submissions and can be approached by any or all of the IR tripartite in its determination … a panel (ie larger than a tribunal) in any other words …

    The NES operates primarily as an Ombudsman … you may be impressed … I’m not … Hawke had the best process with the Accords … a good basic foundation for IR across the country …

    But for the Accord to work you needed someone like Hawke who really understood the way IR operated … strangely enough, someone with a strong union BOO! background …

    The watery process we now have is the reason wages and conditions for workers are deteriorating …

    Re-elect this government and the whole country will continue to stagnate …

  506. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2016 9:39 am

    NOW THAT WOULD BE INNOVATIVE!

    <iEstimated cost of moving all electricity, industry and transport onto renewables by 2050 would be $800bn, a saving of $90bn

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/19/modelling-shows-move-to-100-renewable-energy-would-save-australia-money

    But way too complicated for Milkum TurnAbbout & The Trashers … I wonder what Mal Brough is doing today?

  507. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 10:31 am

    National Employment Standards is a panel???

    NES takes submissions?

    Really TB?

  508. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2016 12:06 pm

    NES is a part of the Fair Work conglomerate … apologies for NES instead of FWC …

    This may “help” you ToM …

    Our role in minimum wage-setting

    The Fair Work Commission is responsible for reviewing and setting minimum wages for employees in the national workplace relations system.

    Each financial year the Commission’s Expert Panel for annual wage reviews conducts an annual wage review, and issues a decision and national minimum wage order for employees not covered by an award or agreement. The decision and order generally come into operation on 1 July of the following financial year.

    The annual wage review directly affects employees in the national system who are:
    •covered by a modern award or a transitional instrument, or
    •not covered by either an award or an agreement.

    The annual wage review process

    Conducting the review

    The annual wage review is generally conducted in the second half of the financial year, from March to June.

    The process involves:

    •written submissions from interested organisations and individuals

    •consultations before the Expert Panel

    •research commissioned by the Expert Panel.

    https://www.fwc.gov.au/awards-and-agreements/minimum-wages-conditions/annual-wage-reviews

    The National Employment Standards (NES) are 10 minimum employment entitlements that have to be provided to all employees.

    The national minimum wage and the NES make up the minimum entitlements for employees in Australia. An award, employment contract, enterprise agreement or other registered agreement can’t provide for conditions that are less than the national minimum wage or the NES. They can’t exclude the NES.

    The 10 minimum entitlements of the NES are:
    •Maximum weekly hours
    •Requests for flexible working arrangements
    •Parental leave and related entitlements
    •Annual leave
    •Personal carers leave and compassionate leave
    •Community service leave
    •Long service leave
    •Public holidays
    •Notice of termination and redundancy pay
    •Fair Work Information Statement

    Who’s covered by the NES

    All employees in the national workplace relations system are covered by the NES regardless of the award, registered agreement or employment contract that applies.

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employee-entitlements/national-employment-standards

    Yer a fkn worry, ToM …

  509. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 12:12 pm

    So NES can be changed by the FWA?

  510. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 12:21 pm

    The NES are 10 legislated employment conditions. They aren’t set by FWA or any other tribunal.

  511. Walrus permalink
    April 19, 2016 1:15 pm

    “National Employment Standards is a panel??? ”

    Yeah……….having read through more Awards than I’d care to that bit about the NES being a panel mystified me as well

  512. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 1:18 pm

    We have to excuse TB he’s from Queensland. .. and he’s getting on in years

  513. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2016 1:19 pm

    AS Wally would say, ToM, ….

  514. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 1:30 pm

    So TB didn’t you suggest that the government didn’t set employment standards?

  515. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 1:40 pm

    But that’s fine TB, everyone understands that old folks make some mistakes and get a little confused!

  516. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2016 3:43 pm

    having read through more Awards than I’d care

    And at over two feet thick each …………

    everyone understands that old folks make some mistakes and get a little confused!

    See above 😉

  517. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2016 3:53 pm

    But that’s fine TB, everyone understands that old folks make some mistakes and get a little confused!

    One I’ll let go but don’t start the ageism shit!

    Especially when you can’t make a valid point …

  518. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 4:07 pm

    Really TB!!???

    This exchange started because you (incorrectly) said – … government doesn’t set minimum wages and conditions anyway!””,/i>

    Which is clearly just crap. Now just own up!

  519. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2016 4:14 pm

    Here ToM …

    The annual wage review is generally conducted in the second half of the financial year, from March to June.

    The process involves:

    •written submissions from interested organisations and individuals

    •consultations before the Expert Panel

    •research commissioned by the Expert Panel.

    As it has ALWAYS done … business and government always argue against increases … unions always argue for …

    The panel is no more nor less than then the old tribunals …

    Government doesn’t just SET the changes … if it did it wouldn’t be arguing its case every time before the Expert Panel … would it?

  520. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2016 4:18 pm

    Does yomm really think the grubmint sets the minimum wage?

    I know cash WISHES she could. (and I’m not denying they exert (possibly) much pressure influence)

    Maybe he’s just having another oldie moment?

  521. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 4:35 pm

    What planet are you on TB? You said – the government doesn’t set minimum wages and conditions…

    So if legislation about hours of work, parental leave, annual leave, redundancy, public holidays…. Isn’t the government setting some minimum standards… WTF does the legislation represent??!!

    Then you say NES is a panel!???

    You seem completely out of touch with this system TB. But it’s only been in place for the best part of a decade.

  522. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 4:39 pm

    TB so far…

    … government doesn’t set minimum wages and conditions anyway!
    The NES as a panel determines minimums …
    The NES operates primarily as an Ombudsman

  523. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2016 4:42 pm

    yomms losing the plot methinks

    So, did TB say “… government doesn’t set minimum wages and conditions anyway” (seems a fair statement to me?)

    And do you think they do?

  524. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 5:06 pm

    *Are NES legislated?
    *Do NES set a minimum standard?
    *Was it the government that legislated NES?

  525. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 5:08 pm

    *Is FWA a public sector organisation?
    *Is it established by government?
    *Does the government select the FWC commissioners?
    *Does it set the minimum wage?

  526. Walrus permalink
    April 19, 2016 5:10 pm

    “And at over two feet thick each …………”

    Really……………….link please

  527. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2016 5:19 pm

    Really……………….link please

    You’ll have to chase yomm up for that one, it goes a ways back 😉

  528. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2016 6:55 pm

    yomms losing the plot methinks

    Becaue if he really understood (or wanted to) it means that the UNIONS BOO! have a voice in setting minimum wages … which they do …

    I’m not losing the plot … ToM never understood the PLOT!

    And yes I’m fkn angry at the cheap ageist shots! But to be expected when the Libs are looking rather silly …

    In one way it’s flattering that they need to slap me down – anyway they can!

  529. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2016 7:02 pm

    TB so far…
    … government doesn’t set minimum wages and conditions anyway!
    The NES as a panel determines minimums …
    The NES operates primarily as an Ombudsman

  530. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2016 9:18 pm

    yomm so far

    Government sets up an agency to independently set wages, therefore, Government sets wages 😯

    Won’t somebody tell our current unEmployment Minister.

    Asked whether she agreed with the concept of bringing Sunday rates in line with Saturday pay, Senator Cash said: “The position of the Government is clear: that is a matter for the Fair Work Commission.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-05/business-lobby-calls-for-penalty-rate-cut/7222972

  531. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2016 10:16 pm

    The Nazis won the war too TR … and they were a bunch of commies … apparently 😮

  532. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2016 6:37 am

    The Nazis won the war too TR … and they were a bunch of commies …

    It doesn’t really matter if it was Nazis OR Commies, they’re all Lefties anyway!

    apparently?

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