Turnbull’s Latest Tax Plan another Gift for Labor

What the Fuck is Turnbull smoking ?

More $$$$$$ for me I suppose.

Then again maybe not since I’m not taking on any new clients these days unless an existing one falls off their perch.

“Australian Leaders’ Retreat

Read the communiqué.”

# ,, We Certainly Do:-)

Do we?

I’ve heard Daniel Andrews waffle on about what a bad idea it is to give states more responsibility for raising their own revenue.

That’s about enough to persuade me that it’s worth serious consideration.

States hate accountability.

I’d have to see the detail before I could be convinced.

For instance I have a friend who works in a very senior position in HR for a very large Department store which has its HQ in Melbourne.

Nothing unusual in that you might say …………………….however she actually lives in Sydney. Every Monday morning she jumps on a 6:30am flight to Melbourne and returns on a 5pm flight every Friday. The company pays for her Melbourne flights and accommodation.

So what state does she pay tax in.

Or for that matter where would a long haul truck driver Sydney to Melbourne with a back load back to Sydney pay his/her tax ?

What about an airline’s aircrew ? Where do they pay tax ?

By all means abolish Health and Education Departments federally but that’s a separate conversation to be had I would have thought.

why would a multi millionaire want to be PM

You should ask the question of Rudd. Just before the 2007 election it became knowledge that Rudd was going to buy a holiday home on the Gold Coast and pay cash for it. When it was pointed out it would be a bad look for Rudd to pay cash for a multi-million dollar home just before the election he pulled out of the purchase.

I do think Turnbull is power mad but he may have been bored with the job he had before he entered politics. Politics is an interesting job.

And it is easy to work out why Labor people enter parliament. They get a higher paying job than they would get as a Union rep.

And some of us did … and he too had his wife to blame and a government privatisation scheme …

Too funny. But you still voted for Rudd anyway. Rudd did not buy the property for cash before the 2007 election. But he waited and paid cash for a $3M property in 2011

http://www.domain.com.au/news/kevin-rudd-spends-31-million-on-holiday-house-20110215-1aud8/

The Rudd family has purchased a holiday house at Castaways Beach, south of Noosa.

According to the selling agents, Kevin Rudd and his wife, Therese Rein, have chosen well, describing the property as a “stunning contemporary” home. For $3.1 million you would expect nothing less.</i>

why would a multi millionaire want to be PM

I don’t know. You tell me?

Actually READ and COMPREHEND my comment … I did tell you!

Sounded like you were condemning one side of politics. Rudd is the wealthiest PM this country has ever had. Most of his wealth appears to come from his wife.

Rudd was advised not to purchase a holiday home for cash just before the 2007 election because it would not be a good like for a Labor PM. And that is just Rudds holiday home not the place where he lives.

“……..Then abbott belatedly offered to take in another 4,400 odd asylum seekers to appear a little human. Turns out we’ve taken in 30 of them…………”

And this is why…………….

FEARS that terrorists and economic migrants could be entering EU posing as refugees have been raised after Syria issued 10,000 passports in just one month through its embassy in Jordan.

Lax new rules handed down from Damascus allows passports to be issued abroad with virtually no checks for just £250.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked

Personally I dont care if we take a big fat ZERO of them if that is what it takes to keep the scum of the Middle East from infecting our superior culture.

I fixed it for you

“… rack …

… wait

… taste occasionally for “flavour”

… pour entire contents onto garage floor to remove oil stains”

“I’d be more concerned about my coal shares”

I dont have any 100% coal shares. Besides BHP Billiton or Rio do not rely on coal alone. And even then it depends on whether it Thermal or Coking

“Haven’t we suffered enough?”

I think his aim is to sell it and poison the entire Catholic Church

“”… taste occasionally for “flavour”””

Perhaps he meant…………..

“…..taste for occasional flavour”

Grog’s Gamut: “This policy thus introduces more incentive to cut revenue, and little incentive to improve services – the incentive on that side is to cut services and shift them on to the private sector.”

Di Natale: “The Abbott/Turnbull government has taken Australia’s hospitals to the edge of a funding cliff that will decimate the health system and its only proposal for dealing with this issue is to dump the problem entirely on the states and territories in a desperate act of political cowardice,” he said.”

No, that’s not an agenda, or the only possible overt, covert, or latent proposal. Having gratuitously subsidised an unnecessary alternative to the universal public health system, the next step is to foster declining public health system performance, and then lower barriers to exit by offering clients a contrived choice in a pseudo-competitive marketplace between Private Health Inc and Medicare Redeformed, until States deduce that it’s more efficient to exit direct healthcare delivery. Likeways, it’s best to encourage an artificial choice between anti-Gonski State and subsidised Private schools, with Charter schools and education vouchers as an interim measure, until all ex-State schools can be effectively privatised. Ditto VET, Universities, Disabilities and Aged Care, etcetera, etcetera. Done Right, only the illusion of (a) government(s)-provided welfare (safety net) will be left, and all public goods and services can be delivered accountably by a well-regulated, lowered(-thence-raised)-barrier-to-entry, for-profit market-place seeking economies-of-scale, operating on a trans-State and/or trans-national basis, and still drawing down on the public purse, one way or another, wherever and whenever it requires assistance to achieve demos-popular, socially-agreed objectives. Or, something utopian/dystopian like that.

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Its OUR government, its OUR land, its OUR report and its OUR tax … Registered land ownership should not be a tax privacy issue … unless there is something shonky going on … WE are entitled to INFORMATION not more OBFUSCATION!

The Age of Entitlement is over; information is a valuable commodity, not a right!

Looks like we are in trouble

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2016/3/31/economy/brace-yourselves-credit-rating-downgrade

Australia is one of 11 economies with a AAA credit rating. In the Asia-Pacific region, only Singapore and Canada rate as highly.

In the wake of the 2008-10 global financial crisis, Australia experienced one of the fastest rises in public debt in the world because of historically large federal budget deficits that served no positive macro-economic purpose.

I think the next election will be a good one to lose.

(Mmmm. I was led to believe that ‘artisanal’ wine(s and ’boutique’ wineries) was a ‘sensational’ thing for ‘select’ quaffers (and providential (market-)makers), yielding ‘exceptional’ experiences from ‘extraordinary’ provenance(s).)

“………… in the state they reside

# ,, So we all know its `option-2`, Right Folks:-) ”

Clearly you have no idea as to how the ATO defines “residency”

“wally, I think tbagz was agreeing with us … ”

The problem with tbagz is you need to run everything he says thru a fucking Enigma Machine.

This link is brought to you by Walrus, TB, Reb, AO, TomR and all the deadbeats who voted for Rudd in 2007

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/breaking-news/aofm-sells-800m-of-treasury-bonds/news-story/70ac6f60f2582da8b044b538c6e0631f

The Australian government has sold $800 million of November 21, 2020, Treasury bonds.

The Australian Office of Financial Management (AOFM), which conducts bond auctions on behalf of the government, said the bonds were sold for a weighted average yield of 2.0315 per cent.

what’s your point, neel? Or did someone tell you to write it?

The point is we are doomed. The Rudd/Gillard govt started a runaway debt truck which most probably cannot be stopped.

Worse for Australia is that 70% of any debt we accumulate is foreign

Far worse for australians is the private debt burden that has accumulated since the corporations took over government.

Why? Most private debt is job creating.

Gotta make a profit, who cares about service to the community.

Times do change. When is the last time you have posted a letter? I used to pay my bills by cheque years ago, now i do it by bpay

But $4.8M for a salary for anyone is insane. I bet you the CEO of Australia Post is paid a lot more than the same guy overseas.

I have always believed you find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say. And Labor will do it again if they get back into power. So this needs to be repeated

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/last-children-released-from-australian-detention-centres/news-story/db28676fea626281162f8960168449e5

EVERY child locked up in Australian immigration detention centres is free for the first time since Labor’s shameful ­record of 8469 kids being ­incarcerated under Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard.

8469 kids locked up by Labor. That is a record that will be hard to beat.

Lingering questions over freedom for detention centre children.

Instead of rejoicing that there are no longer children in detention you spend time hunting around for articles suggesting there may be something wrong with the definition of the few remaining children that were in detention. Fact is they are no longer locked up.

Labor locked up 8,469 children. They were used as a deterent

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/31/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard.

“Because they wanted to send a deterrent message, it was important to send some children, to say that children are not exempt from transfer,” Mr Lake said.

Shame Labor, shame

I can do what I like neil.

Yes you can. But you should be rejoicing that the few remaining kids are no longer locked up.

Did you read my link? Labor used young looking kids as a deterrent. It was a ALP Ministerial decision.

Beats me how you can defend that.

I think we have seen some pretty effective Turnbull narrative re tax/spending/state demands

Along the lines of …how can states demand more support from the federal government? They would not even consider being provided with their own revenue stream. They won’t try to sell their tax and spending priorities to their own constituents.

It’s a fairly effective counter – and was probably his plan from the start. It’s unlikely Turnbull was serious about the reform. He probably just wanted an effective counter to the demands of the states – and they provided him with one.

It’s unlikely Turnbull was serious about the reform.

Good to know.

From your link ao

That’s the only way the states could plug the funding gap for health and education.

It also means that public health and education are restricted by the states ability to raise money from this one form of taxation. Meanwhile, the private education is still linked in to the feds and their limitless ability to raise funds.

It’s a fairly effective counter

Only if you don’t think about it at all. So, yea, in this media landscape, you’re probably right 😉

The funniest thing was, malcayman launched this as a “stop the blame game”, and has finished by ………………. blaming the States ROFL

I did like your link above ao that listed malcaymans vociferous opposition to such a plan decades ago. Still valid points too.

Dutton is cynically and cruelly using vulnerable children for his own political survival

Actually that is my opinion of lefties. I remember the stink kicked up over a relatively small number of children locked up by Howard. A report was commissioned and Howard followed the findings of the Children in Detention report and released all the children

Labor gets in and locks up 8,000 kids and not much was said until Abbott won govt in late 2013

Gillian Triggs was in the process of being mugged by the right wing circle jerk showing what a total load of bollocks that is.

Triggs did nothing until Abbott was elected which is why she was condemned so rightly by the Coalition. It just shows how partisan Labor supporters are. Can you imagine the outcry if Howard locked up 8,000 kids?

I have always believed that Labor supporters put the ALP first and Australia second.

MALfunction TurnAbbout is a dud

I am not a fan of Turnbull but he has not locked up 8,000 children, trashed our borders, trashed the budget, exploded unemployment and left time bombs in the budget.

The economic numbers have not changed since the 2013 election. That cannot be said about the Rudd/Gillard govt who trashed everything they touched. And yes i have heard of the GFC. After the GFC ended why didn’t the budget return to surplus or at the very least to a small deficit? Because Labor trashed the budget and greedy Labor supporters do not want spending cuts.

Providing some detail and policy around how it would work would have been a good idea

I think it was pretty simple. Reduce federal income tax by 2% in about 3 years, and hand it directly to the states. States then decide whether they’d like to increase or decrease that amount.

What more detail is required to simply begin a discussion?

But of course the states ran a mile, because even considering the concept would have required them to stop engaging in blame shifting.

States just was the money without the political opprobrium that goes with finding it.

Nah, the states just dismissed the idea, too much accountability for them.

Our Danny Andrews particularly will run a mile from anything that might mean getting him focussed on less waffle and more substance.

That’s not sneaky, that’s just a fact.

wow, you even admitted earlier it was sneaky, now you reckon its some kind of fact.

What about the fact that the states are being allowed only this one tax with which to raise all the capital needed to fund public education and health.

Their hands are tied, and so then will be the public system.

And you reckon it aint “sneaky”

What more detail is required to simply begin a discussion?

Why dpn’t we start with FIFO workers? 😉

Nah, the states just dismissed the idea

On the same grounds that malcayman did all those years ago, it might be added 😉

So I guess solid, stable grubmint is telling the states two days before a COAG meeting that he’s tearing up the rule book, and htey’d better accept that 😯

malcayman, eat yer heart out

have been happy to let the workforce carry the can and the loop-holes remain

Yea, that must be why the libs and their mates are so intent on wiping them out.

Ya dopey shit.

and 10 year funding was included in the 2013 Budget

A little thing like facts doesn’t stop even the pm of the country continually lying about this though, does it?

Mossack Fonseca = malcayman

Keep that sense of humour up TG 😉

You gotta remember reb, if these companies had to pay tax, they’d be forced to go to countries where they don’t have to.

Of course, they’d lose all those customers that pay the taxes that allows them to reap the benefits of a structured society but hey, ya can’t have it all 😉

Same dumbarse argument the mining companies tried on, quite successfully too

malcayman shows how much of a gutless wimp he really is.

Surely intelligent Australians

😯

Of course if Labor wins the next election nothing will happen re: alleged tax avoiding companies.

You don’t think their first step would be reintroducing their legislation that hockey ripped out as his first point of call?

Sorry, I should have stopped at “You don’t think” 😉

If it was typical ALP legislation it would have been useless.

Yes of course, that is the reason why hockey removed it, it didn’t work 😯

The same reason the mining companies poured millions into stopping the mining tax, because it would have paid them money ROFL 😆

turc continues to fall apart, just like nils logic bombs do

It began during the howard/costello regime

Yes the mining boom started about 3 years before Howard lost office and the Coalition saved $50B in their last three surplus budgets. How much did Swan save during a much bigger boom?

The structural deficits in ongoing budgets have now trapped their own side

Rubbish. If what Richard Dennis is true why didn’t Labor just reverse those 5 tax cuts mentioned?

And what Dennis says is the exact opposite of what Koukoulas says. According to Stephen Koukoulas the Coalition was the highest taxing govt in Australian history and anybody could run a surplus budget if they taxed like Costello.

Never in all my life have i seen a more deceitful and dishonest people than those who vote ALP/Greens

Just randomly in case Tony (or anyone else) is interested

no probs TBVG 😉

Heavens…even Jonathon Holmes agrees that the ABC has a left bias!

I

n the capital cities, getting decent audiences on ABC local radio for a host with rightish views would be hard. By being even mildly right-wing, they risk alienating the ABC’s traditional audience. Over the decades, radio listeners have divided. If you favour the right, you go commercial; if you favour the left, you go to the ABC.
If the ABC wasn’t funded by taxpayer dollars, no one would mind this situation. After all, the population is split roughly in half over politics, and both sides deserve to hear their views expressed.
But the ABC is publicly funded. It does have a legal obligation to not favour one point of view over another.
The leftiness of ABC radio output is doubly problematic when it comes to Radio National.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abc-radio-personalities-need-to-tune-out-their-leftwing-bias-20160404-gnyfse#ixzz44wym9n8T

(Heavens, indeed. Holmes’s observations do seem quite agreeable; and almost entirely reasonable. Moreover, as he almost might have suggested, in express fulfilment of a taking
of care of what is being wished for, so very, very often, by unmockable right-of-centre-right commercial media personalities, it’s almost certainly the case that an all-embracing national public broadcaster could and really should cater for all tastes, and really must better reflect all point(s) of view(s), particularly of/for sizeable population centres and audience markets; putting to one side, of course, the incessant, and, by now, obviously irrational, whinging from a right-wing(?) commercial mediaplex – one which is about to be granted, like no other Western democracy would ever dream of (anti-anti-)trusting, another round of consolidations and concentrations under newly-relaxed media-ownership laws – that purely (un)commercial interests are being ‘crowded out’ by a(n un)’traditional’ Aunty; although, per some other relatively recent reviews, it would seem that the ABC also has been neglecting, and considerably so, centre-left and left-of-centre-left points of view in its coverage(s); no matter, Holmes’s general logic surely still holds, and the pluripotential remains for ABC management to effect extensive ‘re-balancing(s)’.)

So Jonathan Holmes is wrong about the left bias of ABC broadcasters?

No, you are wrong in your interpretation of his words.

hint, the abc is more than just capital city radio presenters

#justsayin’ 😉

What, you mean like the schools’ chaplains program?

Good point. i actually agree. But the ABC gets more than $1B/year. It is so big it is starting to crowd out private journalism.

And TB rages against right wing shock jocks. Well they are not being paid by the taxpayer. And left wingers can start up their own left wing radio stations.

tell it to bolt and the bevy of ipa shills being paid nightly on the Drum etc,

I do not spend too much time on the Drum. I i think it should not exist. Taxpayers should not be funding The Drum

So a respected ABC journalist is suggesting that the ABC doesn’t comply with its charter or the law.

Tom R shows marvellous obfuscation in response.

taxpayers shouldn’t be funding ipa shills to regurgitate bullshit on the drum in place of informative commentators,

I get it. Lefties are informative commentators and should be funded by the taxpayer.

Somehow the name of the chart gone walkabout.

Its “Australian Mining Exports”

I’m sure the Lefties on here would find this quite sensible and reasonable since it comes from their political allies

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/extremist-groups-in-pakistan-are-protesting-new-laws-that-protect-women-from-violence/news-story/618b35a94ba4a67ff00edc1c6f871377

Yeah lets throw open our borders again by electing the ALP

The CSIRO’s decision to sack about 120 climate scientists was motivated by an intention to move some of the organisation’s focus from science done in the public good towards science that makes money, internal emails suggest.

I tend to agree with this. Zillions of dollars are being spent overseas on AGW research. Lets spend our small research budget on cancer drugs, turning kangaroo skin into hats etc

,, unsurprising teebz, now that the reef is fcuked, it doesn`t need to be studied anymore, does it

No. we do not need deadbeats telling lies to save their jobs. Whenever these people publish something it is always bad news. The reef is dying so send us more money. Lying pieces of shit.

The NBN was thought up by Labor on the back of a drinks coaster because what Labor took to the 2007 election failed.

Labor fooled most of the country to vote for them in 2007 because Australians are stupid.

Anybody who believes what Kevin Rudd says is a fool

Labor commits to investing up to $4.7 billion into a new high speed national broadband network for 98 per cent of Australians. This will be fibre optic to the node. 12 megabits per second – and capable of upscaling. It will be laid out over 5 years

The ALP. Lying pieces of shit

Better/faster service isn’t in the public interest.

Says the guy who thought guttertrash got from here to him just using wireless, so who NEEDS fiber ROFL

Let’s see how many convictions are ultimately recorded.

Pick a number. By my count it is still less than one.

Which is far below the white collar crime being committed and protected by this mob.

Interestingly, I caught a bit of 7.30 last night talking about Thiess, and they had (for balance, you see) brought up Thiess “allegations” of price fixing with the AWU

They did forget to mention that, although the way Thiess structured their payments in house might not have been above board, turc showed that the Unions had no case to answer. They also repeated the furphy that it was for “lower wages”, ignoring the fact that the workers under the AWU were even better off than the CFMEU, when all was taken into account.

AND that the project came in ahead of schedule, and within budget.

What a loser Shorten is. ABC and balance means smearing Shorten at any opportunity. I note, when the smear initially got going, Thiess had clean hands. Now ………………

But yomm, feel free to keep us up to date on any time turc actually reveals any PROVEN wrong doing by Unions. Meanwhile, you’ll be reminded of it abject failure that the media continue to ignore.

“I think blogging enjoyment would be vastly improved if one or 2 had internet access cut off.”

Agreed

Faster internet for the Lefties just means they can display their stupidity faster

Faster internet for the Lefties just means they can display their stupidity faster

doesn’t not 🙂

So Whyalla is about to become a ghost town I see.

Who’d have thunk that REMOVING the Carbon Price would have wiped it off the map.

tabot and malcayman have reaped far more destruction than even their scariest scare campaign against that ever did.

Luckily Bill (brookeneedsaTaylor?) is bringing it back in. Maybe that will be enough to save the town 😉

Apparently SA has the highest energy costs in Australia mainly due to renewable energy targets.

Why would a multi-millionaire with money in the Cayman Islands want to be Prime Minister?

Rudd and his wife are worth more than Turnbull. At what point do you think a man with too much money should not enter Parliament?

But i will admit i am not a fan of Turnbull. He is the first Coalition leader i can think of who loves himself more then he loves the country. But he is intelligent and does have talent but i guess like all humans he has major flaws.

I prefer competent politicians who care about the nation and its peopl

Nobody in the ALP is competent in anything other than stuffing up the country

Apparently SA has the highest energy costs in Australia mainly due to renewable energy targets.

Only if you believe what the libs tell ya to believe, and don’t actually follow the money trail. Seems very much like Wilsons parking, gouging the customer, and hiding it away in the caymans.

SA Power Networks makes after-tax profits of $420 a year from each customer, while UK Power Networks makes $92.

It means SA Power Network’s ultimate owner is Mr Li, whose fortune of $36.2 billion makes him the world’s 15th richest person.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/sa-power-networks-owned-by-billionaire-li-kashing-makes-four-times-more-profit-out-of-us-than-its-uk-group/story-fni6uo1m-1226943633683

And interestingly, or not

SA Power Networks owner Li Ka-Shing named in global leak of tax of dealings of rich and famous

http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/sa-power-networks-owner-li-kashing-named-in-global-leak-of-tax-of-dealings-of-rich-and-famous/news-story/23f55933d6ac6bc6e3c08c7c3026779b

Yea, and the media attacked Labor for highlighting malcaymans own little slice of the panama pie. muppets

Everybody knows renewable energy is expensive.

So, how do you explain the massive profit the owners of SA’s power company is making then? Which coincides with the massive rise in power bills

And they get away with it because they fool morons into blaming something else.

(But everybody knows renewable energy is much more expensive than coal.

*Cough*, blacklung, *cough*.)

That the excessive price of electricity is quite obviously not because of renewables but on rich pricks gouging taxpayers

Then why are they not gouging the UK taxpayers?

As soon as they presented the profits as profits/person instead on return on investment i smell a leftie spin.

And $400 profit/person sounds awfully high. So i doubt that figure.

I thought penalty rates were being considered by the FWA (ie the IR regulator that the ALP created)

Which MPs have been involved in the hearings of the full bench?

I think Mark Dickenson is full of crap mistaken.

This announcement is just screaming for this kind of mockery TB. Nicely done

TB has no idea how much FTTP would cost to build or how long it would take. And also he does not care.

If they want to live like Greenies they can suffer the consequences too.

But just because SA is leading in renewables, that doesn’t automatically mean that renewables are the reason for the price gouging. And, from the article I linked to, it is quite obvious they are the scapegoat.

And, from the article I linked to, it is quite obvious they are the scapegoat.

You lefties publish one article and everybody is supposed to believe it.

Why did the journalist present the profit as profit/person rather than profit on investment? Is it possible that the company makes $400 profit/person? Why are they supposedly gouging SA customers but not gouging UK customers with its sister company?

Why do you continue to bicker over the measurement when the discrepancy is right there to see

Because after years of reading leftie crap i am suspicious when data is presented in a strange way.

I am also suspicious of the company getting $400 profit/person. Sounds awfully high.

I am also suspicious of the company getting $400 profit/person. Sounds awfully high.

Does this mean sherlock is starting to get it?

If we lose our AAA rating its because of the Liberal government who have now been playing kindy politics for almost THREE years …

Nope. Rudd/Gillard started a runaway debt truck. The Coalition tried to cut spending in their first budget but were called mean and nasty.

And why is it the Coalition always has to fix up the mess Labor creates? Why doesn’t ALP fix up the mess it creates just for once?

Fact is we need spending cuts and it looks like nobody wants to do it. Well goodbye AAA,

I see the lolstralian can’t let the bullshitshrapnel report go. They reckon that they’re onto something just because the report had been released to Labor. They forget to mention that, this is probably why Labor were so quick off the front foot labeling it the bullshit it is. Funny, the fact that the report is crap isn’t mentioned in their propaganda sheet?

And apparently koche on sunrise was running this line too, forgetting (?) to mention the report is crap. But then, koche has always been a dipshit.

ltdnews has doubled down on the stoopid

although the VFT is just a straight line

don’t we chat to each other in a straight line too TB?

Speaking of “straight lines”, there seems to be a straight line from taxpayers pockets to telstra courtesy of the NoBN

ACCC raises competition concerns over NBN’s Telstra HFC deal

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/04/12/accc-raises-competition-concerns-nbns-telstra-hfc-deal/?utm_content=buffer3052b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I mean, really, after paying telstra another $billions to bring them back into the process (WTF!), they are now paying them even more to do the job NoBN was supposed to do, but with fibre.

FAAAARRRKK

but, with stoopid as strong as the oo complaining that Labor ignored a bullshit shrapnel reports (as ANYBODY with half a clue should have done) what hope for this country to get anything done

thanks murdor, you fucken tool

you waste your money on the oz?

lol TB, good one 😉

nah, but, I find with some twitter accounts, following their link can get you behind the wall, if only to see the idiocy in its full glory

Although, I just tried it from the one in this thread, and it didn’t work?

Such a loss 😦

Well done nanny staters! That’s gonna upset the French coloured carton counters no end

“This is getting ridiculous.”

Well this is why………………

“As of 2013 China produced 779 million metric tons of steel each year, making it by far the largest steel producing country in the world. This is compared to 165 for the European Union, 110 for Japan, 87 for the United States and 81 for India.[52] China’s 2013 steel production was equivalent to an average of 3.14 cubic meters of steel per second.[53]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_steel_industry_%281850%E2%80%931970%29

China’s 2013 steel production was equivalent to an average of 3.14 cubic meters of steel per second

yea, and it’s all shit!

Well this is why………………

The people i talk to say it is the high wages that destroyed our manufacturing industry. Our wages are high even when we compare them to high wage countries like the USA and Western Europe.

Apparently people at Holden were on $100K/year for production line work. I think that also may include some overtime. But those wages were way above what people were being paid in other industries doing similar work

A fast train from Brisbane would be great. Anything to get out of this hole more quickly. Fortunately I don’t have to stay here to eat.

“WTF … who supports these wankers!”

Usually the child’s parents. That’s why they are sent there.

Fancy parents having a say over a child’s upbringing.

I’m outraged !

I dont think anyone can blame any single party on manufacturing

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=abs+gdp+manufacturing+Australia&view=detailv2&&id=E29E2D500940D1B31A608103A6AD7584A75052DE&selectedIndex=9&ccid=8BgM9aiU&simid=607987501128617322&thid=OIP.Mf0180cf5a89441fa49a98e98496fdb76o0&ajaxhist=0

A dress code is a very good idea. That would prevent every Queenslander (perhaps other than the Gold Coast metre maids) out of the civilised regions.

I met a consultant type today, business attire with sweaty underarms. Their initials embroidered on the shirt cuffs.

Even business types have no idea of suitable attire.

It’s a disgrace.

Double vent dark grey fine wool suit. Blue shirt, cotton. Neutral silk tie. Black leather shoes. Black cotten socks.

Don’t bother to have your initials embroidered on any item of clothing unless you’re a 13 year old at school.

Queenslander observe NONE of the above

… shorts, shirt and sandals …

Well, some in the know certainly knew who to blame for Holdens demise.

Playing politics with the lives of people is shameful and typical for Labor supporters. Holden left for the same reason most of our manufacturing has left. And it is amazing how short a period of time it took.

In the late 1970’s, early 1980’s we made everything in Australia and now it is mostly gone. If it was not for mining and agriculture we would be cactus. And the ALP/Greens want to stop people using coal our second biggest export.

lol

And I’m not saying he’s completely wrong either 😉

co-investment between the Federal Government

Is the the same Federal Government that told them to Fuck Off!

Oh, no, it was THIS Federal Government that did that. all deals are off when someone tells you that, context or not. (I’m pretty sure that would be in the fine print 😉 )

Hockey wanted to know what Holdens intentions were.

Yea, I’m guessing saying that the government isn’t subsidising anything anymore (and then backing that up by not subsidising anything (manufacturing related anyway, wally kept his hand out) is just banter.

Holden needed assurances. The Government wouldn’t give them. And then threatened them in question time.

hockey etal killed our auto industry. Deliberately. We are now beginning to see the result of that bastardy.

Govt funding was there until 2020

Is that the funding they had re-instate?

It was clear what the Governments intentions were, to any moron, even you. Holden needed the certainty, and hockey etal certainly provided them with that.

Hockey threatened them in Parliament, Holden left, Toyota followed knowing that alone, they couldn’t survive here.

The death of our auto industry, and much of what is left of any manufacturing, and many other enterprises that relied on the automotive industry, is just a small part of the wreckage this mob has inflicted on our country.

And all the time siphoning billions into their mates pockets.

I was going to say your insane

I’m pretty sure you’ve called me every name under the sun nil, and yet none of them changes the simple fact that this mob is personally responsible for the death of our automotive industry

Is that the funding they had re-instate?

Telling lies again. Typical ALP supporter. AFTER Holden announced they were leaving there was some discussion about stopping funding to save some money but the Coalition never went through with cutting the funding because they never had the numbers in the Senate to stop auto funding.

I was going to say stop telling lies but there is not point. You are a born liar and will never stop telling lies. There was nothing to re-instate because nothing was cut.

Funding was in legislation until 2020 and it would take an act of Parliament to change that and the Coalition did not have the numbers in the Senate to do that.

who would enjoy a concise recap of the last three years under the LNP…

for the abridged version

Well lefties this is what your vote in 2007 did

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/budget/political-failure-leaves-morrison-only-tax-hikes-to-save-aaa-rating-says-moodys-20160414-go6k3e

Australia’s debt had climbed to 35 per cent of gross domestic product, from 11.6 per cent a decade ago, she said, compared with the relatively stable 41 per cent average of other AAA-rated countries over that time.

Worse for us is that most of our debt is foreign unlike most other Western Countries.

Thanks TB, Reb, Walrus, Toilet and any other deadbeat who voted for Rudd.

Typical comment.

Taking NO responsibility for the 8,000 children you locked up, rapes, murders etc. The runaway debt truck you lefties created. See what pluckaduck is doing in Queensland? Creating more debt like all lefties do.

Do you lefties do anything useful?

The GFc was over by 2010.

The ALP only produces debt and unemployment. Always had always will.

TomR you do not care about people. You only care about the ALP being elected.

And yes the GFC was responsible for the ALP locking up 8,000 children.

When did the GFC end? Has it finished?

Did the GFC cause 50,000 boat people to be locked up by the ALP? Did the GFC cause the ALP to lock up 8,000 children?

Labor were on track to return to surplus

Really?

The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

Wayne Swan 8 May 2012

That’s what the numbers were telling.

Have you ever checked the 2010 numbers published just before Gillard won the 2010 election?

http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/Publications/2010/PEFO-2010/Report/Fiscal-Outlook

Table 5 says Swans last two budgets should have been surplus budget of $5B and $6B dollars.

Swans last budget was actually a deficit of $48B.

And the TurnAbbout governments have made it worse

Actually it is not worse. Hockeys first budget was a $39B deficit which is smaller than Swans last budget deficit.

But even if what you say is true-so what? Everything got worse under Rudd/Gillard but that did not change your vote.

And Rudd/Gillard locked up 8,000 children. That was not due to the GFC but a ALP policy change. And the taxpayer has spent $15B on one failed ALP mistake. Let alone all the others.

“Actually nil, it was $18 Billion, and falling,………..”

You are so full of crap King Troll. $18B was not “actually”……………..the true deficit but yet another Swan forecast none of which proved accurate

“The 2013 budget estimated total revenue of A$387.7 billion[1] and spending of A$398.3 billion, a deficit of A$18 billion,…………”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_budget,_2013#Deficit

The government’s Mid-Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook

Yes, and we all know what a load of unadulterated bullshit hockeys little loaded myefo was. The fact that you keep going back to that just shows how lost you are for a real argument.

from your wiki link

means a return to surplus is unlikely in the following two federal budgets.

So, still in the projection to return to surplus by 2016

Until hockey got in and fucked things up royally

fucken myefo, hilarious

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-17/joe-hockey-myefo-budget-details/5162512

as coal dies and The Renewable Energy Era is born …

After destroying our manufacturing industry lefties now want to destroy coal mining our second biggest export.

Yes, but as I said, ignore what Swan foolishly promised, look instead to the actual numbers

????

They were the actual numbers. The Australian budget is an official document published by the govt. I am not sure what you are trying to say.

On 8 May 2012 Wayne Swan told everybody with the backing of Treasury that there would be 4 surplus budgets of $1.5B, $2B, $5.3B and $7.4B from 2012-2015.

It was a solemn declaration to the Australia people written in the 2012 budget.

The numbers in 2012 said we would have 4 surplus budgets

See its a GUESS? Not real numbers at all …

OK i sort of agree but everybody knew Swan was lying. What are you trying to say?

I was responding to this

Yes, but as I said, ignore what Swan foolishly promised, look instead to the actual numbers.

What did TomR mean by looking at the actual numbers? The budget papers are the actual numbers

What actual numbers is he talking about?

The actual numbers that Grog provided a breakdown for, as I linked to earlier

In reality its predictions of the budget situation were pretty much on the money – perhaps even too conservative. But a year later the Government in a misconstrued desire to win the race of economic management through achieving speedy returns to a surplus, shifted the goal from 2015-16 to 2012-13.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-01/jericho-budget/4660850

As I said, swan lost it when he got spooked by the “deficit disaster” ramped up by the libs and the msm, but that doesn’t change the fact of the numbers. Under those projections, we would have been in surplus by the end of this year. Those numbers now point to the never never. And that was all hockey etal

As I said, swan lost it when he got spooked by the “deficit disaster” ramped up by the libs and the msm, but that doesn’t change the fact of the numbers. Under those projections, we would have been in surplus by the end of this year.

Still not sure what you are talking about. Swan/Treasury got no projections right. In May 2008 Swan/Treasury were preparing a budget to fight inflation unaware of the GFC about to hit in a few months time