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The Election: Is it Over Yet?

May 10, 2016

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Kill me now.

It’s only been day one of this so-called “election campaign” and already I’m over it. It seems like it’s been going on since 2007 and there are still 25 thousand more days to go to the election.

No wonder people are over politics.  Apparently only one in every two 18 year olds is enrolled to vote and frankly who can blame them, when the choice at this election is between Mr Sheen or Solvol soap.

Meanwhile the two major parties (and those inner city latte swilling mung bean munching elitist lefties that call themselves “the Greens) are already bickering over which way their preferences will flow with the prospect of a not-so-well hung parliament becoming a distinct possibility.

Smooth operator Richard Di Natalie and his mysterious supporters who inhabit the twittersphere in Matrix-esque fashion are protesting at any suggestion they’ve done back room deals with Libs while Labor is resolutely refusing to consider negotiating with the Greens should a hung parliament become increasingly likely.

The Greens, apparently, want to “teach Labor a lesson” presumably one that dictates that their idyllic principles aren’t for sale, while Labor scoffs with contempt at the Greens’ sanctimonious grandstanding.

Competition for the high moral ground has rarely been this fierce, and while it may be a position that’s highly fought for, it’s one that few parties occupy for very long.

Let’s face it, it’s difficult to claim that people setting themselves on fire is somehow for their own good, but you’ve got to hand it to Peter Dutton for having the chutzpah to attempt to carry it off.

I’m fairly convinced that Mathias Cormann isn’t actually a human being, and if he once was, he’s been replaced with some random voice activated slogan generating device.

The amazing thing is that despite the sheer loathsome nature of the government’s so-called policies, there is still some 50% of the population that’s considering voting for them.

I mean, are people that mind numbingly fucking stupid?

 

 

 

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  1. In_the_sticks permalink
    May 10, 2016 7:39 pm

    ‘I mean, are people that mind numbingly fucking stupid?’

    Does the name ‘Neil of Sydney’ ring any bells ??

  2. May 10, 2016 7:46 pm

    oh it`s fcuking delicious! (watching-reportland??) both talkbull and blib look sick, and not even 48-hours into the election (-: (-: (-:

    blib has a double-whammy, first, the greenz saying they look forward forming govt with team-blib, second, the otoole woman saying she wants boaties treated humanely and not abused in gulags

    #Go.Watermelon (-: (-: (-:

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2016 7:58 pm

    Be noice if they listened to the fkn PEOPLE! for a change instead of their own weasel waffling …

    I always thought that EU politiks was weird … yet here it are* in good ol’ OZ …

    * so wally will understand …

  4. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2016 10:48 pm

    The amazing thing is that despite the sheer loathsome nature of the government’s so-called policies, there is still some 50% of the population that’s considering voting for them.

    Loathsome policies? Like what.

    The only thing the ALP has to offer is more debt and unemployment. Why is that? Because that is what Labor always does. Whitlam, Hawke/Keating, Rudd/Gillard. All those govts were economic disasters.

    Actually the next election is a good one to lose because we will lose our AAA credit rating within 3 years and the govt in power will get some of the blame.

  5. Walrus permalink
    May 11, 2016 8:36 am

    “Loathsome policies? Like what.”

    That’s what I thought. If he’s talking about offshore detention (which I agree with) then the other 50% of the population must also agree with these so called “loathsome” policies.

    So put up or shut up.

    What are these “loathsome” policies ?

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 9:08 am

    What are these “loathsome” policies ?

    Good question, wally, they’re actually just another three word slogan … Jobs & Growth …

    As policies … there’s SFA!

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 9:26 am

    The Greens seem to be doing the right thing get rid of Albanese – he’ll be locked into defending his seat rather than out on the campaign trail.

    Then talking up the prospect of a coalition with the ALP.

    Let’s talk about how great that coalition would be!

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2016 9:29 am

    “Does the name ‘Neil of Sydney’ ring any bells ??”

    In that context Neil is Quasimodo on steroids!

    Also, the dumbest three word slogan is “three word slogan”.

    Also, amazingly, the Daily Terror has a pro ALP front page.

  9. Walrus permalink
    May 11, 2016 9:57 am

    Oh for fuck’s sake………………..

    Bring on the BREXIT vote

    “The EU is poised to ban high-powered appliances such as kettles, toasters and hair-dryers within months of Britain’s referendum vote, despite senior officials admitting the plan has brought them “ridicule……………………….”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/eu-to-launch-toaster-and-kettle-crackdown-after-brexit-vote-20160510-gos4jh.html#ixzz48Ihdkbla

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 10:22 am

    “high powered appliances” WTF does that mean?

    ———————————————-

    Correction … “As policies … there’s SFA!”

    The Liberals do have a policy … to retrospectively tax rich superannuants …

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 10:53 am

    PLUMBERS and electricians are Australia’s richest tradies, charging more than double what the average lawyer earns.
    National figures from job quote website serviceseeking.com.au reveal the average plumber charges $78.40 an hour, up 1.9 per cent on last year, and the average electrician charges $74.61 an hour, up 4 per cent.
    The average lawyer, by comparison, earns $37 an hour, according to PayScale.

    Lawyers need a union!

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/plumbers-electricians-australias-richest-tradies-charging-more-than-the-average-lawyer/news-story/4fee7c5920ff4624e53c5ca20f99e3cb

  12. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2016 10:58 am

    What are these “loathsome” policies ?

    Why don’t we start with ‘interns”, or, as it is has now been exposed as, welfare for big business.

    And that’s before we even look into $50billion of tax relief for the same businesses getting that welfare.

    And, with the same kick the poor policies from the 2014 budget STILL in there.

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2016 11:08 am

    never get between a liberal and the sniff of unearned profits

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2016 11:44 am

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2016 12:17 pm

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2016 12:53 pm

    Folks, Morrison & co flat out lying on RBA – serious concerns about negative gearing are also OFFICIAL!

    Not sure what Turnbull has said but i think the low interest rates are encouraging property investment. If interest rates go back up to normal levels i think there will be less property investment.

    And i am not sure what the solution is. I guess lefties say NG is pushing up property prices pushing people out of owning their own homes. But who knows? Maybe it is foreign ownership of property not NG per se that is causing housing price increases. I can remember in the late 1980’s property prices doubled in Sydney.

  17. Walrus permalink
    May 11, 2016 1:12 pm

    “Folks, Morrison & co flat out lying on RBA – serious concerns about negative gearing are also OFFICIAL!”

    That was 2 years ago during the height of the Boom when they were afraid of a Housing Bubble. Now things have calmed down considerably.

    Of course the Left fails to mention that the RBA also said abolishing Negative Gearing might also increase rents…………..Yeah funny how they missed that bit

  18. Walrus permalink
    May 11, 2016 1:14 pm

    I defy anyone to find an unsold NEW house or apartment in Sydney that would fit into the ALP’s NG policy.

    Its going to force investors into off the plan purchases with much greater risks attached.

    There goes your new housing supply

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 1:29 pm

    I tend to think the NG policy will encourage investors to demolish pleasant heritage/period homes and build new ones.

    There goes the pleasant streetscapes and traditional streets.

    Welcome to streets of overdevelopment and mcmansions

  20. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2016 1:53 pm

    I tend to think the NG policy will encourage investors to demolish pleasant heritage/period homes and build new ones.

    So you think NG is bad and should be abolished. That’s OK. But what i do not understand is why do lefties bring out these questions when the Coalition is in power? I can tell you right now if Shorten was in power lefties would not even bring up the topic.

  21. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2016 1:54 pm

    I tend to think the NG policy will encourage investors to demolish pleasant heritage/period homes and build new ones.

    Please explain?

  22. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2016 2:26 pm

    But what i do not understand is why do lefties bring out these questions when the Coalition is in power?

    Why do lib party trolls never ask relevant questions in any discussion? Why don’t they make a genuine attempt to engage and participate? Why do they keep saying the same stupid things over and over? 🙄

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 2:27 pm

    The NG policy is to encourage new development as the way of investing in property. Therefore if an investor wants to invest in housing in an established suburb with period homes, they will have to redevelop the site.
    The existing period home can’t be negatively geared, but tear it down and build a mcmansion – that can be negatively geared.

    Welcome to the ALP policy – subsidy for building mcmansions replacing existing period homes.

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 3:05 pm

    So this is an addition to an attractive period home, preserving the streetscape. Can the home be negatively geared?

    This is an ugly home in a period suburb. This development is what the ALP is encouraging as a tax deduction…
    http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/bdb907ca89be3b0b1af13d92cf3e5d8d?width=650

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 3:07 pm

    By the way – that addition is at the rear of the home.

    So the ALP wants to knock over this –

    …and build a mcmansion or 2 – with a taxpayer subsidy!

  26. May 11, 2016 3:31 pm

    teabag,,,,demolish pleasant heritage/period homes and build new ones,,,,

    # ,, too late, developers already can do this, in boltland anyway, a few months back, a mate emailed me about his cousin`s `vcat` woes and fcuking-up his suburb/street-scape

    # ,, but that`s all okay provided the rich cnut triples his profit, and the blue-collars only earn casual minimum and don`t get holiday pay, remember

  27. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2016 3:38 pm

    Why don’t they make a genuine attempt to engage and participate?

    If you are talking about me i did have a go

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/05/10/the-election-is-it-over-yet/#comment-126491

  28. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2016 3:44 pm

    Pretty sure a heritage home CAN’T be knocked down yomm.

    That’s kinda the point of the ‘heritage’ part of it 😉

  29. Walrus permalink
    May 11, 2016 3:52 pm

    “Pretty sure a heritage home CAN’T be knocked down yomm.”

    There are thousands of houses in inner 15km ring of Sydney built immediately post Federation. Not all are listed.

    Plus many are on much larger blocks than you’d build on these days. Buy the house rent it out subdivide, toss the tenants out, create battleaxe (even better if there is rear lane access) then build 2 double storeeys on the one divided lot.

    Ca…………..Ching……………..$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 3:54 pm

    Yeah, right, exactly the answer I expected. The heritage overlay will protect us from building lots of mcmansions to replace period homes.

    ***SURE***

    I think you usually say – ROFL – or something.

    The fact is that there are swathes of attractive suburbs that are full of 70 or 80 year old homes, the volume of the homes is what makes the streetscape attractive.

    …but the ALP policy is to give a tax break to the developers that want to knock them over and put up mcmansions!

    Your new next door neighbour – thanks to the ALP!

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 4:00 pm

    Does this have a heritage overlay? Should a developer be encouraged by a tax benefit to demolish this house and replace it with a new home?

    GO ALP!!

    https://b.domainstatic.com.au/w800-h533-2011563356_1_pi_150529_045145

  32. May 11, 2016 4:02 pm

    Hey *\0/* boo-of-melb is correct when it comes to ,,,,preserving the streetscape,,,, and the ambiance of the street/suburb in boltland (okay, went too far with `heritage`)

  33. May 11, 2016 4:07 pm

    team-cheerer, the new `residential` construction is fcuking ugly in jonesland, boltland and the west-coast, has been for ages, they`re okay if ya`inside em, but fcuking horrible from the outside

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 4:13 pm

    Your new next door neighbour – thanks to the ALP!

    That ‘s quite nice for a Sydney home …

    Getting all up tight with fairytales … you’re the one who invented destroying homes to build investment properties …

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 4:20 pm

    I think the ALP’s NG policy might start to look like Hewson’s answer on the GST on a cake.
    Ask Shorten whether an almost completely new/redeveloped house can be negatively geared, whereas one that is perhaps a little less redeveloped can’t.

    Show him and Bowen plans of redevelopment and ask the question. Watch them get al flummoxed and obfuscate.

    As developers are encouraged by the ALP to demolish period homes, let them accept responsibility for the ugly urban disaster they are encouraging with their tax subsidy.
    —————
    What are you talking about TB?

  36. May 11, 2016 4:27 pm

    So, have the front-yard `signs` been installed in bananaland yet (-:

  37. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2016 4:36 pm

    Buy the house rent it out subdivide, toss the tenants out, create battleaxe (even better if there is rear lane access) then build 2 double storeeys on the one divided lot.

    Because right now …. that just doesn’t happen ROFL

    ***SURE***

    Since it has worked up until now, I’m not sure why it would stop working just because of a negative gearing change.

    Things must be getting pretty desperate in the ng defense dept. 😉

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 4:45 pm

    Because right now …. that just doesn’t happen ROFL

    It happens now that existing properties and new ones are given equal tax treatment.

    BUT… it is the ALP policy to prefer demolition of period homes, so they should be pleased when swathes of houses in attractive streets are demolished and mcmansions or the like replace them.

    GO ALP!!

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 4:57 pm

    So this house can’t be negatively geared…

    But this one can!

    Bill should have fun explaining that!

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 4:59 pm

    It should be a “what’s the GST on this cake” moment.

    Will Laurie Oakes ask the question?

  41. May 11, 2016 5:03 pm

    Beard or No Beard. Bow-wow has always been `under-whelming`.

    # ,, perfectly paired with blib l suppose

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 5:43 pm

    So, have the front-yard `signs` been installed in bananaland yet (-:

    The Sunshine State respects the law … (wait fer it)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Things must be getting pretty desperate in the ng defense dept.

    Sillier and shriller … best way is to cut NG off altogether … no grandfathering … the Libs did that to the ETS and the Mining Tax … s’easy …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … it is the ALP policy to prefer demolition of period homes …

    Bill should have fun explaining that!

    Fairytale link, please? FMD what nonsense …

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 5:45 pm

    “Will Laurie Oakes ask the question?”

    You do know that it wasn’t Laurie Oakes … don’t you?

    Interviewed on A Current Affair, he was asked by Mike Willesee “As an example of this, if I buy a birthday cake and GST was in place, do I pay …

    Want a link?

  44. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2016 6:07 pm

    BUT… it is the ALP policy to prefer demolition of period homes

    What is wrong with that? if they are worth protecting, they are protected, else, it’s called progress.

    All of a sudden, yomm is against progress?

    Well, that really has always been the case

    FMD what nonsense …

    As I said above, if that is their argument, they’ve lost already 😉

    AND, if you want to argue birthday cakes, I’m just dying to see malcayman argue how enabling paying someone $4/hr is going to help someone with an award rate job?

    Happy birthday talcum

  45. Walrus permalink
    May 11, 2016 6:20 pm

    “Sillier and shriller … best way is to cut NG off altogether … ”

    What a great brain fart that is.

    So heaps on NG then flood the market with houses/apartments dropping values across the board, meaning banks have perhaps no security, breaching security covenants with their lenders overseas often also contingent on the bank share price, collapsing the entire banking system.

    WHAT A FUCKING STUPID IDEA .

  46. Walrus permalink
    May 11, 2016 6:21 pm

    “As I said above, if that is their argument, they’ve lost already”

    Think what you want………we have’nt even touched on rent effects

  47. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2016 6:24 pm

    we have’nt even touched on rent effects

    Don’t tell me, the RBA ignored all this shit too when they said ng needed addressing?

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 6:30 pm

    WHAT A FUCKING STUPID IDEA .

    What a fucking RORT!

    Why should the housing investment industry deny homes to young (and not so young) people … by using taxpayer’s money … y’know the one’s who can’t afford a home … while they are paying for someone else to get rich on their misery … now that’s ROBBER BARONS at their nastiest …

    And if home prices go down that’s a good thing – the market is inflated … as for the nonsense put about by MALfunction that the value of all homes will go down and we will “suffer” … if your selling and buying a home (its the same fkn market!) … if you want to make a profit on your NG home(s) … do it without welfare … leaners alright …

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2016 6:31 pm

    best way is to cut NG off altogether

    Is it? Who says? Not even the ALP wants to do that.

    Fact is whatever the ALP does to solve a problem usually makes it worse.

  50. May 11, 2016 6:31 pm

    Dear moonee fcuking ponds, are you happy now. You have managed to `punk` the rest of Australia by inflicting on us the so-called leadership of your candidate, blib stooten. Well fcuking done!

    lt has not been a bad effort by the dingy little electorate, that has managed to secure a Teabag-victory by stealth, after all, you`re not an accomplished cultural wannabee like South-Yarra, nor a feminista hot-spot like Frankston.

    Now the rest of the country just has to wait and see how far moonee fcuking ponds comedy will go, and what type of comedy it enjoys. Will moonee fcuking ponds persist in their current black-humor of keeping the teabags the more viable by re-electing blib.

    Or will moonee fcuking ponds dump blib so that the rest of the nation can enjoy the joke too!

  51. May 11, 2016 6:36 pm

    “If your selling and buying a home (its the same fkn market!) “

    Indeed. A point lost on the pantswetters.

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2016 7:12 pm

    Well that’s interesting. I thought that employers have been saying that people who work week-ends do it because it suits their lifestyle, they want to. So why wouldn’t a choice be given?

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2016 7:12 pm

    … if your selling and buying a home (its the same fkn market!) …

    I think you mean “you’re”

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 7:23 pm

    Indeed. A point lost on the pantswetters.

    Baffled too, sreb …

    Can’t put up an argument … seek the apostrophe …

    I think you mean “you’re”

    LOL! 3/4 of an hour for that gem … chuckle …

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 7:28 pm

    KL, did you read all that gobbledygook … seven day weeks are not the norm – still … doesn’t this Sunday penalty rate challenge interfere with the very concept of krystians resting on the seventh day and worshipping the idols in churches and what about the churchgoers – discrimination! Surely!

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 7:33 pm

    BOAT PEOPLE and their families

    Government won’t let ’em in … then won’t let them out! LOL!

  57. May 11, 2016 8:05 pm

    “Think what you want………we have’nt even touched on rent effects”

    I think you mean “haven’t”

  58. May 11, 2016 8:27 pm

    smh,,,,opposed to employees being given the right to refuse Sunday shifts,,,,

    # ,, oh that`s so funny, can`t half predict these dcikheads are going to have a shit-load of staff turnover, spending lots of time re-re-re-hiring

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2016 8:55 pm

    doesn’t this Sunday penalty rate challenge interfere with the very concept of krystians resting on the seventh day

    At the moment the penalty rate discussion is about people who are unemployed and cannot get a job because people find it hard to employ people on Sundays when they have to pay triple time. Some people would like some part time work on weekends but cannot get this work because of penalty rates.

  60. May 11, 2016 9:05 pm

    HORSE^SHIT

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2016 10:00 pm

    chuckle

    Leadership unrest resurfaces in the Liberal Kamp …

  62. Walrus permalink
    May 11, 2016 10:16 pm

    “Indeed. A point lost on the pantswetters.”

    Not when you are talking about bank lending valuation ratios it’s not.

    Any low iq moron can work that out.

    We end up with a market flooded with supply into the market but bank valuations and loans fixed on previous values.

    Oh I forgot you are one special type of moron

  63. May 11, 2016 10:55 pm

    Great to see Mad as Hell back on ABC TV…!

    “How would you describe the Japanese psyche?”

    “It’s a fermented rice wine.”

    🙂

  64. May 12, 2016 9:15 am

    “We end up with a market flooded with supply into the market but bank valuations and loans fixed on previous values.”

    Isn’t that how the free market works, or are you now arguing that the govt should intervene to ensure that property prices remain artificially high?

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2016 9:18 am

    The Greens’ star candidate in the Sydney seat of Grayndler says he preferred Tony Abbott to Bill Shorten because the conservative prime minister’s rule helped trigger street protests and civil disruption.
    And two senior members of the federal Greens party – lower house Melbourne MP Adam Bandt, and NSW Senator Lee Rhiannon – can be seen applauding their candidate’s call for civil disruption in the video.

    It’s nice to see our potential parliamentary representatives supporting orderly process in a parliamentary democracy!

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/star-greens-candidate-prefers-abbott-to-shorten-because-it-would-trigger-street-protests-and-civil-disruption-with-video–20160511-gosfrx.html#ixzz48ONDwnhm

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2016 9:28 am

    So, not for the first time, Q&A gives us another master class in leftism 101. The audience is wetting itself at the opportunity to have their biases confirmed and are gulled into giving thousands to a druggie. What could possibly go wrong? The only people dumber than the producers who gave the “victim” oxygen are the Q&A audience itself. The average IQ of Australians would double if we could kill off the entire Q&A viewership in one fell swoop.

  67. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2016 9:33 am

    “Isn’t that how the free market works,”

    No, you are effectively ring fencing one section of the market from the other by excluding investors from established homes and allowing them only into the market of new/off the plan..

    And we have yet to speak about rents yet. Have a look at comparable cities to Sydney around the World and you will see a much greater proportion of income going into rent.

    If an asset price drops its yield will go up to provide investor incentive

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2016 9:51 am

    “It’s nice to see our potential parliamentary representatives supporting orderly process in a parliamentary democracy! “

    That’s all the Greens are – dumb fucking commos like Rhiannon and Bandt with a pretty new paint job. The MO of these misfit morons is to bully and intimidate anyone with an opposing point of view and make nuisance of themselves rioting in the streets, leaving others to clean up after them and pay the bill. What they need is a good dose of their own medicine. They’d be the first ones whining for police protection if a bunch of angry skinheads got in their pretty little upper-middle class faces.

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:21 am

    …John Key, the Prime Minister of New Zealand, was ejected from the country’s parliamentary debating chamber yesterday when he repeated ignored the Speaker of the House’s calls to yield the floor, continuing to rant even after his microphone had been cut off.

    Key was defending his policy of permitting his country’s money-laundering offshore finance industry to continue unchecked, despite the Panama Papers’ revelations that NZ is the go-to laundry for Latin America’s corrupt elites…

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:25 am

    Great to see Mad as Hell back on ABC TV…!

    Indeed … laughed all the way through … sad about The Kraken tho’ …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Isn’t that how the free market works …

    A point lost on the pantswetters … they need all the help they can get …

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:28 am

    Turnbull and Wran were a pair of money-grubbing leftists – who could have guessed it? A bit like George Soros who made his fortune breaking the currencies of poorer countries. And now he spends it funding the fascist left.

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:38 am

    So, at the moment we’ve got the oz and others defending the taxpayer socialised wealth creation of superannuation and negative gearing while running dead on offshore wealth hideaways. Of course it’s all ‘class envy’ whenever the trickle up, zombie economics of the rich are exposed and the IPA and business groups [the real government of the country] rush into every media outlet they can find [the ABC as complicit as the rest of them].

    Duncan Storer is getting smashed by the wealth defenders while business is calling for forced penalty rate removal and $4.00 ‘internships’ which will drive down all wages in this country, even though it’s against the law, basically ‘slave wages’ but no worries, they can always change the laws to suit them. Our youth are being slaughtered so the rich can get richer.

    Plenty to think about when we vote soon.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:38 am

    No, you are effectively ring fencing one section of the market from the other by excluding investors from established homes and allowing them only into the market of new/off the plan..

    Bullshit! Investors can still buy homes just not with the help of taxpayers who can’t afford a home themselves … and take the risk like anyone else … homes are homes not fkn assets … and that’s the real problem … the greedy race for profits is destroying society … decisions made purely for profit …

    And its not “effectively ring fencing one section of the market from the other ” either … that’s what NG is doing … removing it would actually LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD ….

    Depends on how many NG properties you have to defend … hey, walter? Compared to people with kids and/or grandkids who need somewhere to live …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And you know its getting serious when news.com.au runs this as their top story …

    The whole world is a ticking time bomb at the moment …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/turnbulls-ticking-time-bomb-how-slipper-affair-could-derail-campaign/news-story/961389c63aee3b2549edfd02859789b4

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:46 am

    …and thanks to the ALP there will be a tax incentive to demolish period homes and put up mcmansions.

    So the ALP will take my taxes and give the cash to a developer who wishes to bulldoze existing houses!

    The guy who is bidding for the house in order to keep the period home as an investment – gets nothing!

    There goes the neighbourhood!

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:49 am

    Once the Greens and heritage groups figure out the effect of the ALP policy in Balmain, Marrickville etc in Sydney, or Parkville, Prahran etc in Melbourne – expect a reaction!

  76. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:50 am

    “Depends on how many NG properties you have to defend … hey, walter? ”

    Errr……………….I dont have any.

    That’s because I couldn’t be bothered with arsehole tenants. And the ASX offers a better return on average

  77. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:51 am

    Q&A gives us another master class in leftism 101.

    And the lolstralian gives us another masterclass in STOOPID

    The ‘Australian’ Tried To Go After Duncan From #QandA And It’s Backfiring Spectacularly
    Read more at http://junkee.com/the-australian-tried-to-go-after-duncan-from-qanda-and-its-backfiring-spectacularly/77963#qBC1ImDhPUF3cvUs.99

    But, thanks for highlighting that the most powerful voice in Australian politics pays the same “effective” tax rate as an uneducated male on minimum wage. What a wonderful Cuntry!

    And now, malcayman is being exposed for hiding away his loot, loot gotten it seems partly from the underpayment of some of the nations poorest.

    Class War?

    FUCK YEA! IT’S ON!

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:52 am

    Isn’t that how the free market works, or are you now arguing that the govt should intervene to ensure that property prices remain artificially high?

    There’s always room for rent seeking in the supposedly free market, you never hear the IPA bellowing louder than when they are defending the rent seeking profits of their private enterprise benefactors.

    ‘Milk levy’: Shoppers to pay an extra 50 cents a litre under plan being hatched by farmers
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/milk-levy-shoppers-to-pay-an-extra-50-cents-a-litre-under-plan-being-hatched-by-farmers-20160511-got15o.html#ixzz48OisElPZ

    Look at how outraged the business establishment is over any kind of [new technology] disruption to their business model of consumer exploitation.

    Are we sacrificing power in pursuit of a free market?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-01/dunlop-are-we-sacrificing-power-in-pursuit-of-a-free-market/7129176

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:55 am

    …and thanks to the ALP there will be a tax incentive to demolish period homes and put up mcmansions.
    So the ALP will take my taxes and give the cash to a developer who wishes to bulldoze existing houses!
    The guy who is bidding for the house in order to keep the period home as an investment – gets nothing!…

    Has there been any other person having this ‘vision’ of events to come, other than yourself tomM?

  80. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:56 am

    …and thanks to the ALP there will be a tax incentive to demolish period homes and put up mcmansions.

    There already is. Which is why we have heritage listings. You really are quite slow.

    I note that nobody wants to talk about the (possibly) illegal intern rort that longtime rorter of the low paid malcayman wants to inflict on the poorest.

    Just a few months ago, weren’t some suckers still rabbiting on about how ‘progressive’ our malcayman was/is?

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:59 am

    Junkee defends junkie – who’d a thunk that? How much did you give, Tom R? Duncan’s dealer must be over the moon with the response. The son he got addicted to drugs not so much.

  82. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:05 am

    “Of all the important and serious issues discussed in the article, picking the fact that Storrar doesn’t pay net tax and splashing it over the front page is a pretty cynical exercise in punching down on the Oz‘s part.”

    How can it be cynical when the stupid cnut demanded a tax cut on the zero tax he already pays.

  83. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:07 am

    “Duncan’s dealer must be over the moon with the response. ”

    Can you get $6,000 bongs ????????????????

    I note Duncan is not very prepared to share any of the $20,000 with any other charities.

    Seems he prefers “self giving”…………ROFLMAO

    Stupid Lefties

  84. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:07 am

    The son he got addicted to drugs not so much.

    Wow, it doesn’t take long for the ad homs to start does it.

    Maybe we could argue, ‘the son an unfair society helped to get addicted to drugs’?

    What is it with rich fucks blaming the parents … until it is the offspring of a rich fuck?

    Then, he’s just got in with a poor crowd 😉

  85. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:25 am

    ‘”the son an unfair society………..”

    Oh the self loathing of the Left knows no boundaries.

    Sounds like the kid who got off the drugs made the “right choices” thanks to that “unfair society” you bleat about …………………unlike his dumbfuck father.

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:27 am

    Has there been any other person having this ‘vision’ of events to come, other than yourself tomM?

    I don’t know AO, but the logic of providing tax relief to people who build new homes (and therefore have to demolish existing homes if they wish to invest in established areas) while denying the tax relief to anyone who would prefer to preserve the existing homes – seems unarguable.

    Even Tom R isn’t arguing that point, he just says – rely on heritage preservation rules!
    And relying on this when there is a tax incentive to demolish is hilarious!

  87. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:33 am

    Sounds like the kid is doing what kids do, blaming hte parents.

    And the lolstralian pretends it’s ‘teh trooth’

    low life fuckers

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:34 am

  89. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:34 am

    Even Tom R isn’t arguing that point

    Of course, that could be because there is no ‘point’ to argue.

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:41 am

    Even Tom R isn’t arguing that point, he just says – rely on heritage preservation rules!
    And relying on this when there is a tax incentive to demolish is hilarious!

    I think NG should be abolished completely, no tax incentive for any aspect of it. There should be no NG allowed to decrease taxable income.

    Let greedy investors play with shares.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:43 am

    Under the current NG rules those who preserve period homes are provided with the same tax benefit as those that demolish them.

    The ALP will only provide the tax benefit to the demolition crew in the future. So providing a taxpayer subsidy for housing demolition and the spread of mcmansions.

    Even Tom R doesn’t argue that point.

  92. Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:50 am

    “Let greedy investors play with shares.”

    I trust you have elected to have your Superfund in 100% cash. Otherwise you’d be a hypocrite…………….wouldn’t you ??????????????????

  93. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:52 am

    Even Tom R doesn’t argue that point.

    See above yomm, and see if you can work out WHY?

    Meanwhile, what is your opinion of PaTH? You know, something that is possible, not your stupid strawman.

  94. May 12, 2016 11:52 am

    Far be it from me to comment, but it seems that “Duncan” made a fairly pertinent point on Q&A and now it seems that through no fault of his own but rather the machinations and spurious agenda of the msm he’s enduring the indignity of being torn a new arsehole in the public domain.

    A cynic might think that all the furore over his drug use and relationship with his son seems like a smokescreen to diminish and detract from the point he was making, in my not so humble opinion…

  95. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:53 am

    Oh, and I AGREE! with ao, they should have cut the lot.

    But, baby steps 😉

  96. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:56 am

    A cynic might think that all the furore over his drug use and relationship with his son seems like a smokescreen to diminish and detract from the point he was making, in my not so humble opinion…

    Shit, you’ve just cast me asa cynic too reb …. ME!

    I recall the same thing happening when a person of a darker hue asked a very pertinent question, and a furor erupted over hte colour of his skin, rather than hte question.

    Who led that jihad again?

    And, do they pay the same effective tax rate as someone on minimum wage does?

  97. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 11:57 am

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has denied any wrongdoing after his name was found in the Panama Papers database.

    BUT

    I’m sure he has “questions’ to answer 😉

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 12:08 pm

    This is just what The Greens should be doing to Labor, pushing them to become more progressive instead of maintaining a lock-step position with the Libs, no matter how extreme right they are.

    Bernie Sanders Takes West Virginia
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35989-bernie-sanders-takes-west-virginia

    …Sanders keeps winning primaries, adding delegates and whittling away at Clinton’s pledged delegate lead (now up by about 286). He’s now won 19 primary contests (20 if you include Democrats abroad). In the face of a Democratic establishment and mainstream media eager to put the primaries behind them and get on to the main event, he keeps drawing massive rallies and demonstrating the power of his message.

    And he’s clearly pushing Clinton to move to a bolder agenda. She recently doubled down on her opposition to the president’s Trans-Pacific Partnership deal, opposing a vote in the lame duck session of Congress and calling for a new trade approach that works for working people. This week, she announced her support for a public option in Obamacare, and for allowing people of “a certain age” — 55 or 50 — to buy into Medicare. Sanders immediately dubbed it “Medicare for some” but it clearly demonstrates the continuing influence of his campaign to move Clinton and the party to a more progressive message…

    How many years after the event did they decide to start the investigation? Plenty of time to get rid of evidence.

  99. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 12:13 pm

    AFP ‘doesn’t have enough evidence’ to prosecute Mal Brough over Slipper’s diary leak

    Of course not ao, it is after all just something that a liberal lackey said under oath.

    Not really to be believed 😉

    Oh, and of course, brough admitting it on national tele

    Nothing to see here .

  100. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 12:14 pm

  101. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 12:17 pm

    Ah, there’s more to the story ao

    “What [the AFP] can get so far isn’t enough to bring the investigation to a head,” Mr Berger said.
    Mal Brough

    Mal Brough Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

    The AFP needs the court’s permission to use evidence from a civil case in a criminal prosecution. In this case, the evidence includes hundreds of sometimes lewd text messages sent and received from Mr Ashby’s phone in 2012 that were used in his case against Mr Slipper for sexual harassment.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/afp-doesnt-have-enough-evidence-to-prosecute-mal-brough-over-slippers-diary-leak-20160512-got8jb.html#ixzz48P6YaCvM
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    Here I was thinking they were going to wash their hands of it all

    Kind of like yomm etc have done over the libs policies

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 12:24 pm

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 12:41 pm

    That’s because I couldn’t be bothered with arsehole tenants. And the ASX offers a better return on average

    Well we agree on something …

  104. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2016 12:43 pm

    I AM NOT A CRIMINAL!!

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Before we get too excited about Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull being named in the Panama Papers – an unfortunate revelation in the midst of a federal election campaign – let’s actually look at the facts thus far.

    Malcolm Turnbull is not a criminal. And – based on the media reports that came out on Thursday – it appears he has not acted illegally.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/malcolm-turnbull-may-be-named-in-the-panama-papers-but-hes-not-a-criminal-20160511-got1sy.html#ixzz48PCIHypr
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    Not yet, anyway malcayman ROFL

    And with that, I’m OFF

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 12:44 pm

    … seems unarguable …

    My sense of humour just racked up a few notches!

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 1:27 pm

    From KL’s link above …

    Australia’s poorest families will be hardest hit by the federal budget when the new measures come into place, a new report from the Australian National University has revealed.

    The report, which looked at the “hip-pocket” measures expected to have an immediate impact on household budgets in the year 2018/19, showed there was a clear relationship between the impact of these measures and income levels.

    In particular the report said families who fall in the bottom 20 per cent of income distribution will most feel the effects of changes to family payments, childcare, taxation, tobacco excise and superannuation.

    According to the report, single parent families in the bottom 20 per cent are expected to be worse off by an average $1,209 in 2018/19, which represents a 3.7 per cent reduction in their disposable income.

    Meanwhile couples with children in the bottom 20 per cent will be worse off by $1,429 or 2.8 per cent.

    http://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2016/05/budget-hits-australias-poorest-families-hardest-anu-report-reveals/

    Now if they put some money away on the Virgin Islands or Caymans perhaps … or negatively geared a few properties … they’d have no problems – would they … ?*

    What a fair and balanced budget

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 1:30 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull is not a criminal. And – based on the media reports that came out on Thursday – it appears he has not acted illegally.

    That’s right, because the rich and powerful have corrupted democracy and made a mockery of the supposed progressive taxation system by stashing their loot in offshore tax havens to avoid paying their share of tax on it. They have also lobbied to ensure they can do it with impunity, got corrupted governments to make laws in their favour.

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 1:31 pm

    If ya don’t think there is a class war … here’s one reason your wrong …

    Our head of state is called a fkn QUEEN … and comes from a ROYAL family … nicknamed THE FIRM for a very good reason … the queen just happens to have been born and simply became the head of THE ROBBER BARONS …

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 1:34 pm

    I think we need a RC into the offshoring of company profits, our entire financial system, corporate donations to political parties and corporate welfare/subsidies 😉

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 2:04 pm

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2016 2:19 pm

    Say goodbye to this once the demolishers/developers get a tax incentive that the preservers don’t!

    The enduring appeal of Australian Federation architecture

    Federation housing (1888-1919) comes in a variety of sizes – including semi-detached– and in a couple of sub-groups, such as Arts and Crafts, which heritage architect Ian Stapleton of Sydney’s Clive Lucas, Stapleton and Partners, explains as being “usually architect-designed rather than builder-designed”.
    He explains this gracious residential typology that combines the qualities of British Queen Anne Revival and American Stick Style as “something terrific, because apart from Colonial, it was an Australian type of architecture”.

    http://www.domain.com.au/advice/whats-so-fabulous-about-federation-20160509-goqe0u/

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 2:28 pm

    Here are the occupations of everyone named in the Panama Papers

    Just ordinary Mums and Dads I see …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yer floggin’ a dead ‘orse, ToM … typical tory fantasy …

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2016 2:31 pm

    So it’s fantasy to say some people take advantage of tax incentives and benefits, that’s odd TB, because I thought that view was part of your political orientation.

  114. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2016 2:59 pm

    Sam Dastyari goes out of his way to show he is a moron. He is emblematic of the problems of the ALP – a young thrusting opportunist grabs a Senate seat in his early 30’s via his union connections. He now seeks to make a name for himself bashing multinationals. Trouble is he is as dumb as dogshit.

    https://amp.twimg.com/v/65a9b42d-c947-430b-99e9-fe89175e92b2

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 4:22 pm

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2016 4:26 pm

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 5:36 pm

    … some people take advantage of tax incentives and benefits … because I thought that view was part of your political orientation

    You sound as if you don’t believe people take advantage of the tax system … and welfare for the rich …

    Political orientation? Nothing to do with my political orientation (whatever that is) …

    I believe that we need a National ICAC and a Banking, Insurance and Financial Services Royal Commission … but that’s not political … that’s because the evidence so far points to fraud, misinformation, lies, deceit, unprofessional conduct, poor directorship and incompetent management in the Finance Industry …

    Rorting any system needs to be thoroughly investigated and a body set up to constantly monitor it … with FUNDING to follow up …

    You’re fairytale concept has the cities being ripped down to build new homes … well guess what … if that was to happen what do you think I’d be saying?

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 5:40 pm

    … a young thrusting opportunist grabs a Senate seat in his early 30’s via his union connections. He now seeks to make a name for himself bashing multinationals.

    Yeah! WTF does he think he is … leave dem multinationals alone, Sam!

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2016 6:04 pm

    “Yeah! WTF does he think he is … leave dem multinationals alone, Sam!”

    I wouldn’t mind that if he had a brain. Sadly, Sam is very stupid. Just another grandstanding pollie who doesn’t understand what he is talking about.

  120. May 12, 2016 6:08 pm

    blubbering,,,,you are effectively ring fencing one section of the market from the other by excluding investors from established homes and allowing them only into the market of new/off the plan,,,,

    # ,, Neg-gearing is effectively ring fencing one section of the market from the other by excluding `first-time-buyers` from `buying` and allowing them only into the market of `renting`

    # ,, FICKS DEBT FOUR YA

  121. May 12, 2016 7:06 pm

    there is a class war #tick

    # ,, but then we `devolve` with a working-example showing `leftists` start applying kooky ideology as well as teabags

    ,,,,,here’s one reason your wrong,,,,,Our head of state is called a fkn QUEEN ,, and comes from a ROYAL family ,, nicknamed THE FIRM for a very good reason ,, the queen just happens to have been born and simply became the head of THE ROBBER BARONS,,,,,

    # ,, now really, do you `all` think Liz insists we have neg-gearing, work-for-dole, off-shore gulags and invade iraq, afghanistan, korea`n vietnam???

    # ,, FFS the bitter children of the 50`s should have got over `morning-assembly` by now, just coz they weren`t imaginative enough when singing `dog-save-the-thing` (get over it, some of us had a ball) (-: (-: (-:

  122. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2016 9:42 pm

    Just another grandstanding pollie who doesn’t understand what he is talking about.

    Another option is that Dastyari knows exactly what he is talking about but is deceiving the people he is talking to.

    My opinion of the ALP and its supporters is that they are masters at deceiving people

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:15 pm

    Another option is that Dastyari knows exactly what he is talking about …

    Out of the mouths of …

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Wot the fuck are you on teebagz … weirder and weirder!

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2016 10:19 pm

    The Liberals (why do they insist in calling it The government) are shrivelling at the edges every day …

    50 days to go … will they survive the virus?

    GPs have launched a scathing attack on the Government’s changes to Medicare, and they may be Malcolm Turnbull’s most powerful enemy in this election campaign.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/turnbull-makes-powerful-enemy-in-gps-as-doctors-rally-patients-to-fight-spiralling-health-costs/news-story/1c9c8109a662a915f1105b478373b6e3

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 1:36 am

    Duncan Storrar: Q&A’s latest social media sensation
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/duncan-storrar-qas-latest-social-media-sensation,8974

    …The vultures of the press – the capitalist class and the politicians who don’t understand, or worse attack Duncan, like Willox did – say he is already getting more for the State than he pays in tax.

    This is not correct. Duncan, as he pointed out, pays GST and as a percentage of his income pays lots more GST than either Willox or O’Dwyer (on average about 34% of his income compared to 5% or 6% for Willox and O’Dwyer, according to Figure 16 from the ACOSS Inequality in Australia: A Nation Divided report).

    Second, tax and spending are two matters that are not susceptible of being netted off. One represents raising revenue and the other represents spending to achieve societal or other goals.

    Third, Duncan’s position has worsened in comparison to O’Dwyer and Willox over time. His wages have grown at a rate well below the rate the remuneration of the top 1% has grown.

    Fourth, Duncan’s wages and support payments mean he is close to the poverty line, which, for a couple with two children, was $841 per week in 2014. Every day is a struggle to make ends meet, even with government support.

    Fifth, the income the ruling class are taxed lightly on is not theirs. It is the unpaid labour of workers — workers like Duncan…

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 8:46 am

    What? You have someone –
    *with a long criminal record
    *that makes contentious remarks
    *on a (taxpayer funded) national current affairs program,
    *then gets a whole lot of money and
    *gets to be some kind of notoriety and
    *lots of acclamation
    …and his own criminal background isn’t supposed to be an issue?????

    The idea that a convicted criminal is a spokesperson/role model for the wailing left is hilarious

  127. Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2016 9:18 am

    “The idea that a convicted criminal is a spokesperson/role model for the wailing left is hilarious”

    But not at all surprising. The Left are naturally attracted to violent thugs like this absolute cnut Duncan Storrar

    Naive idiots the lot of them

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 9:43 am

    The idea that a convicted criminal is a spokesperson/role model for the wailing left is hilarious

    A guy asks a simple question on qanda, does that give the media licence to crucify him because they are ideologically opposed to what he says? Australians should never buy another newspaper again.

    As if the international criminal organisation known as murdoch media and it’s feral, attack dog non-journos are held in high regard anywhere.

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 9:55 am

    Isn’t he getting a whole lot of cash?

    Don’t you think people coughing up should know the guy is a convicted criminal?

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 10:34 am

    Isn’t he getting a whole lot of cash?

    He didn’t ask for it or expect it, now you malign him for something he had no control over? Is this some kind of downward class envy?

    Why penalty rates are just like CEO bonuses
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-13/robertson-why-penalty-rates-are-just-like-ceo-bonuses/7410766

    …Company leaders defend their huge salaries by saying bonuses incentivise CEOs to perform better. Doesn’t this same principle apply all the way down to the shop assistant and their Sunday penalty rate? Andrew Robertson writes…

    …The question that comes to mind is this: If, as company leaders tell us year in and year out, those at the top need to be paid enormous fortunes on top of their base salaries to get them to do a good job, why is it different at the bottom?

    How will cutting the salaries of the staff, that company leaders also repeatedly tell us are their most important asset, incentivise them to do better?

    How will that not trash morale and with it performance, and in the end, hurt the bottom line?

    And one final point. Before company leaders complain that I am comparing apples with oranges: yes, penalty rates are paid just for turning up. But so too are CEO bonuses.

    History tells us very clearly that bonuses get paid regardless of company performance…

    Why is it that the wealthy need carrots to perform better and then take the stick to workers because they believe workers perform better if they are whipped – just like horses and slaves?

    That’s a fundamental problem in this society, that class warfare is allowed to become the law of the land.

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 10:46 am

    If you choose to go on a taxpayer funded current affairs show and specifically ask contentious political questions and participate in a political debate, you’ve chosen to give up your anonymity.

    Is he declining the cash? If not, why shouldn’t his benefactors be aware that thwy are coughing up for someone with a long criminal record?

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 10:54 am

    yes, what about the enormous power imbalance between duncan and ltdnews? The barracking and campaigning media will just smash him and who cares about the consequences. Doesn’t he have mental health issues?

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 10:58 am

    Don’t participate in a public political debate if you don’t want the publicity

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 11:02 am

    Is he declining the cash?

    I have no idea, I’ll leave it to you to ferret it out.

    If not, why shouldn’t his benefactors be aware that thwy are coughing up for someone with a long criminal record?

    They already know, they don’t like a biased, bullying, corrupt media that is also a political player who abuses their power and campaigns on behalf of a political party. They want to decide australia’s government and not allow it to be left up to the voters.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if duncan gets even more money donated now.

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 11:07 am

    I see that his son says he shouldn’t be trusted with money.

    People giving their hard earned cash to him might like to know that kind of thing

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 11:11 am

    Massive 10pg attack on LAB Murdoch Daily Tele incl Shorten’s body

    We’ve seen it here, KL … can’t play the ball (eg no sensible answer) so play the man … typical private school bullies tactics, as played in rugby union …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Is this some kind of downward class envy?

    Simple fear … that often becomes a self fulfilling prophecy …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Malcolm Turnbull chastises the ALP for ‘class warfare’, then walked into the #Athenaeum for lunch

    This bloke was never serious about a Republic … never …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why is it that the wealthy need carrots to perform better and then take the stick to workers because they believe workers perform better if they are whipped – just like horses and slaves?

    Because nothing has changed – only technology and weapons … Robber Barons* still get rich by any means possible not just working at it … especially by taking advantage of those weaker than they are …

    Robber Barons still use the working class to defend and die for their riches … and reduce the risk to themselves … peasants on foot with pitchforks, against armored knights on horseback, swinging Toledo steel swords is a no brainer (in more than one way!) … and Robber Barons still live in their “castles” …

    Of course its a class war … nothing is new … nothing changes … just the way Robber Barons like it …

    *Note: Not all rich people are Robber Barons … but there does seem to be a glut of them at the moment … and the wannabe Robber Barons are also breeding too …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And Duncan may not be the bloke you’d have a drink with … but there is many thousands more struggling like he is AND doing the right thing … THAT’s the problem he highlighted not his particular circumstances …

    Once again the tories choose not to see the forest for the trees … ie the REAL issue behind the QUESTION …

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 11:14 am

    Don’t participate in a public political debate if you don’t want the publicity

    So, only the wealthy and the powerful are allowed to have political opinions and question the way the country is being run?

    Only the wealthy and powerful can question whatever they like and offer up ridiculous, propaganda and wacky extremist ‘theories’ without being publicly crucified and without a single probing question from a barracking media?

    I haven’t noticed the media taking their forensic [police bribes for illegal access to personal info] skills to the politician’s, business owners, IPA or other lobbyists, grubby personal lives and power plays.

    The difference between both tony abbott’s and duncan’s run ins with the law is money. Abbott had his parent’s money thrown at a team of high priced lawyers who ensured he never got a conviction or record. Duncan didn’t have that privilege.

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 11:22 am

    No. But if you have a background that you don’t like being in the media, don’t bother to go on the media.

  139. May 13, 2016 11:35 am

    l don`t even need to know what `duncan` asked. l can see by the amount of squirting by `our` pantswet-team that `duncan` has arse-fcuked the teabags on qandaland to the same extent that `zaky` did. Having a total stab in the dark, and gauging by the amount of pantswetting, `duncan`s comments or questions must have been highly relevant to the general public.

  140. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2016 11:40 am

    “Once again the tories choose not to see the forest for the trees … ie the REAL issue behind the QUESTION …”

    Horse feathers!

    The real question is why Q&A was so willing to give a platform to an ALP plant. Why did they let a violent criminal druggie con people out of $60k? The idiot producer should reimburse the people she enabled to be conned.

    And if your point is that there are people on welfare doing it tough – what a fucking surprise that is. Some of them may even be doing the right thing (although I’ve seen precious little evidence of that).

    The simple fact is that I don’t give a shit about the endless stream of victim cases that are shoved in our faces for political gain by stupid leftist trolls. I am not going to live my life weighed down by dumb guilt-tripping leftists out to score political points.

    It wouldn’t hurt to realise that life in Australia today is about as good as it has ever been for any bunch of humans in history. It would be even better if the anus-fingering leftists out to destroy the economic system that got us here would just shut up for five minutes. Or better still cut out their tongues and chop off their twitter fingers.

  141. May 13, 2016 11:44 am

    Of course `our` teabags will cling like useless limpets to the irrelevant `personal-demographics` of the question/comment maker `duncan`, even tho whether `duncan` is black, gay or `done-porridge` has no bearing on the comment or question. The only demographic that needs to be disclosed is whether he is an `ipa-stooge` or other, which DOES have bearing for the viewers.

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 11:51 am

  143. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2016 11:52 am

    The really funny thing is how the ultra-stupid faction of the left is doubling down on Duncan. They really should stop fellating this dead horse. They are wrong to think ordinary Australians will swallow anything just because they do!

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 12:00 pm

  145. May 13, 2016 12:41 pm

    transcript,,,,,,TONY JONES: We’ll come back to you if there’s a hung parliament. Lets go to our next question, it’s from Duncan Storrar.

    DUNCAN STORRAR: I’ve got a disability and a low education – that means I’ve spent my whole life working off a minimum wage. You’re gonna lift the tax-free threshold for rich people. If you lift my tax-free threshold, that changes my life. That means that I get to say to my little girls, “Daddy’s not broke this weekend, we can go to the pictures.” Rich people don’t even notice their tax-free threshold lift.

    ADAM BANDT: That’s right.

    DUNCAN STORRAR: Why don’t I get it? Why do they get it?

    TONY JONES: I’m going to start with Cassandra Goldie,,,,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4432624.htm

    # ,, as l said team-pantswet, the question/comment is totally relevant, but don`t let that stop you from being the `useful-idiots` you are for Limited-News which produce `churn` in a limpet like fashion from others (taxpayer-funded) work, to feed to you half-wits.

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2016 12:50 pm

    Looks like we are in trouble

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/budget-2016/budget-2016-1-trillion-foreign-debt-a-rating-risk/news-story/83250b17994fd0a78c9c5e5f16704e43

    Australia’s $1 trillion foreign debt is emerging as the biggest concern for credit ratings agencies as they consider whether to give formal notice that the government’s AAA sovereign credit rating is in danger.

    S&P Global Ratings’ analysis shows Australia’s foreign debt is more than twice the size of its foreign income from exports, dividends and royalties, which is more than any other country in the world except for Greece and the US. Australia is also spending 5.6 per cent of its foreign ­income meeting interest payments, which is more than any ­advanced country except for Spain.

    S&P is yet to give its verdict on the Turnbull government’s first budget but rival Moody’s was critical of the slowing pace of ­budget repair, which it said was still ­dependent on over-optimistic forecasts of economic growth and the government’s ability to cut spending.

    We are about to find out if budget deficits do not matter.

  147. May 13, 2016 1:13 pm

    my-abc,,,,,The High Court has thrown out a challenge to a new senate voting law targeting preference deals which helped micro parties and independents win senate seats.

    Family First Senator Bob Day had challenged the law, which changes the rules for voting above and below the line, saying they were unconstitutional and would disenfranchise voters who do not want to vote for the major parties.

    The ruling means the changes remain in effect for voting at the July 2 election,,,,,

    # ,, unsurprisement )-: )-: )-:

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-13/senate-voting-reform-challenge-thrown-out-by-high-court/7410986

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 1:54 pm

    If you don’t like media attention, don’t go on the media.

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2016 2:01 pm

    ALP advertising headquarters (aka the Q&A production unit) is being overrun by violent drug-fucked crims wanting their $60k. Some are having difficulty getting their lines straight. “If only the gubbmint gave me free drugs I could buy my ice-dreams for my daughters” isn’t cutting it with the public although Senator Dastyari thinks it is a perfectly reasonable request.

    The CFMEU has said that it is well placed through its Bandido business partners to supply drugs to any program. Senator Dastyari agrees that the Bandidos are much more reputable than any multinational pharmaceutical company.

  150. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2016 2:16 pm

    Fifth, the income the ruling class are taxed lightly on is not theirs. It is the unpaid labour of workers — workers like Duncan…

    THAT is the point that needs to be replayed again and again AO. Leaners lifting off the lifters

    *that makes contentious remarks

    Contentious?

    Remark?

    Time for yomm to check the dictionary again methinks.

    Don’t participate in a public political debate if you don’t want the publicity

    WTF!

    Even our pollies, who actually make the decisions, don’t have this kind of rabid character assassination thrown at them (unless of course you are the nations first female PM). It is a highly visible attempt to get anybody who dares questions the ruling classes monopoly on the debate to just Shut The Fuck Up!

    I see that his son says he shouldn’t be trusted with money.

    So yomms goto for ‘facts’ are the estranged son, who got …. how much money for his story?

    Has Duncan Storrar exposed a divide between politicians & voters?

    This shits me. The only politicians I’ve seen taking ‘offence’ are libs. All the others seem to think it is a valid question.

    Hardly ‘contentious’

    And, why the OUTRAGE over people giving money to a person who is doing it tough? What sort of nation of miserly scrooges have we become? (yes, that last was a fairly redundant question, we know the answer)

  151. May 13, 2016 2:22 pm

    teabag,,,,,If you don’t like media attention, don’t go on the media,,,,,

    # ,, Well here we are on wordpress, a social `media` platform. By the dot-point dill`s OWN ignorant opinion, everybody here should be `outed` so that Limited-News trolls can stalk all the trashers `and` harass our employers. Well done dumb-fcuk! You have (unexpectedly) out-done you own stupidity level, again!

  152. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2016 2:25 pm

    If you don’t like media attention

    According to yomm, having your past dragged through the mud through the lense of an estranged family member is “media attention”

    DUNCAN STORRAR: Why don’t I get it? Why do they get it?

    Yet that, is ‘contentious’?

    Has your Malibu smacked you on the back of the head recently yomm.

    If not, perhaps it should?

  153. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2016 2:26 pm

  154. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2016 2:28 pm

  155. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2016 2:40 pm

    A violent drug-fucked criminal is now the poster boy for the ALP. A true hero of the wanking classes. He is exactly the type of person the welfare state is calculated to produce and the ALP are so proud of him!

  156. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2016 2:51 pm

    fer sb

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2016 3:00 pm

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 3:04 pm

    Yep, a drug addled criminal who pays no tax goes on taxpayer funded national media to say he wants to pay less tax!!!!

    Then the wankers complain that he’s getting some attention from the media!

  159. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2016 3:17 pm

    I see, Tom R, that it is the habit of certain denizens here to deluge the place in Twitter excrement. So Fucking What? “Look over there” is as dumb an argument on twitter as it is anywhere else. The difference is that there are a lot more dumb turds on twitter waiting to swoon over such illogic provided it aligns with their views. The retailers of dumb twitter comments are like school kids giggling along with the crowd but too stupid to know that the joke is neither funny nor meaningful at all.

  160. Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2016 3:45 pm

    “It is a highly visible attempt to get anybody who dares questions the ruling classes monopoly on the debate to just Shut The Fuck Up!”

    Where was he questioning the ruling classes. He was whingeing about not getting a tax cut when he doesn’t pay net tax.

    So all people on over $80K p.a. getting a tax cut are part of the “ruling classes” obviously.

    I repeat……….TomR you must be more than one person posting under the same name as no one person could be as fucking dumb as you.

  161. Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2016 3:49 pm

    “A violent drug-fucked criminal is now the poster boy for the ALP.”

    Yeah………and his ex partner is scared of him.

    Hypocrites like AO and TomR get on here and malign Abbott for alleged misogyny BS but here they are holding up as a champion Duncan.

    Plus they embrace all things Islamic when it condones stoning and general repression of women

    There is no bounds to their hypocrisy

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 3:50 pm

    We are about to find out if budget deficits do not matter.

    Of course not … if you’re rich and greedy … someone else always pays …

    Maybe we shouldn’t have just “given” the RBA $9 billion or bought more F35’s for $24 billion or spent $50 billion on 12 subs or budgeted $200 billion for Defence …

    What about these beauties ..:

    ► Negative Gearing Welfare

    ► Trust Fund Welfare

    ► Capital Gains Welfare

    ► Super Tax Breaks for the Rich Welfare

    ► Multi-national Tax Dodge Welfare – Emphasising the PANAMA PAPERS

    ► Present Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare

    ► Post Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare

    ► Pollies International Travel Wastefulness

    ► Liberal Party Economic Incompetence

    ► Reduction or Stopping Private School Funding for Any Future Cases of Paedophilia

    ► Bean bag wastefulness

    ► Gay marriage plebiscite wastefulness

    ► $9.4 million Lodge wastefulness

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And just a reminder

    Another of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s investments is under scrutiny, with revelations he has a financial stake in the global parent company of the scandal-plagued 7-Eleven empire.

    Fairfax Media can reveal Mr Turnbull has shares in two international investment funds that invest in Japanese conglomerate Seven & I Holdings.

    Seven & I’s major subsidiary is Seven-Eleven Japan, which is the parent company of 7-Eleven in the United States. The US company in turn licences the billionaire Withers and Barlow family, who own Australia’s scandal-plagued stores.

    So will TurnAbbott sell his holding – y’know, as a point of principle?

    Turnbull states that he invested overseas so as to avoid potential conflicts of interest that may have occurred as a minister. For example, most Australian funds have some holdings in Telstra and this may have been a cause for concern for him when he invested as he was the minister for communications at that time. Finally, in the Turnbulls’ defence, most Australians have investments in funds, either directly or through their superannuation, and many of these hold overseas tax haven domiciled investments.

    We are all doing the same thing, although these decisions are made by the fund manager.

    So why all the kerfuffle?

    First, the average person in the street (who votes) doesn’t have the spare coin to invest in such funds, so it’s not fair – at least, that’s what the Opposition is hoping will play out in the media.

    Second, we expect that our leaders be squeaky clean and this means both legally and in appearance – the latter being a much higher hurdle which creates a problem when investing in companies domiciled in a tax haven, a known tax avoidance strategy.

    This is hypocritical because the government that he leads has been encouraging in G20 discussions to thwart tax evasion through profit shifting. It’s simply a bad look and on this point the Opposition appears to hold the high ground.

    … to avoid potential conflicts of interest … … isn’t that the Icelandic Excuse?

    In response to allegations Star Technologies had made donations to Russian politicians, Mr Turnbull’s spokesman said the Prime Minister was not aware of any such donations in the time before or after he was a director.

    On September 1, 1995, Mr Turnbull and Mr Wran resigned from Star Mining before stepping down from Star Technology later that month, citing work commitments in Australia.

    The details are included in documents obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists known as the Panama Papers but are not part of the publicly searchable database.

    … in the time before or after he was a director

    Does that mean he knew about donations when he WAS a director?

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 4:05 pm

    sb, wally and ToM – The Dodgy Brothers are funny to read … but better to watch …

  164. Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2016 4:06 pm

    “So will TurnAbbott sell his holding – y’know, as a point of principle?”

    You stupidy knows no bounds does it ?

    I’m so glad you have never shopped with any stores owned by Woolworths or Coles due to their links to child slave labour via the wholesaler they buy from sourcing from a Singapore firm that purchases in Sri Lanka which purchases from a firm that makes stuff from children it pays $1 per day to…………………..otherwise that would make you are fucking hypocrite.

  165. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2016 4:07 pm

    a drug addled criminal who pays no tax

    You got a link for that, else perhaps you’d like to recant?

    “Look over there” is as dumb an argument

    So, why are you lot and the assembled right wing throng playing it, instead of addressing the perfectly legitimate question as asked

    “Why don’t I get it? Why do they get it?” (tax cuts, for the slow ones)

    So all people on over $80K p.a. getting a tax cut are part of the “ruling classes” obviously.

    except that, not all people over $80K p.a. getting a tax cut are complaining about a very simple question, are they. Just few right wing morons

    Perhaps reflect on how dumb your position is before throwing the word around 😉

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2016 4:10 pm

    Yeah! $80k is the ruling class????

    It’s more crowded here than I thought

  167. May 13, 2016 4:25 pm

    Well done on the `duncan` tweets armchair, and getting team-pantswet `splashing` themselves (-: (-: (-: (-:

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 4:35 pm

    Just out of curiosity (and laziness) did someone actually write “the ruling class” before wally?

    Just askin’ …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “We can act as base-load [power], we can run 24/7 if that is what is needed and we have all the benefits that a coal plant offers to the grid.”

    The theory behind large-scale solar thermal is relatively simple, even if building it is not. Curved mirrors called heliostats are positioned in a field, reflecting the sun’s energy onto a tower with a receiver on top. A liquid material, such as molten salt, is pumped through the receiver where it is heated and then pumped back down to be stored in a tank. When electricity is required, the hot material is used to heat water, creating steam and turning a turbine.

    http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/may/13/tantalisingly-close-is-solar-thermal-energy-ready-to-replace-coal-fired-power

  169. May 13, 2016 5:40 pm

    The `salt-storage` would have been a good replacement teebz, before the coal-deniers spent years running their `denial-war`, which has resulted in grid abandonment on the west-coast, and will continue, including industry. Many of us are now hell-bent on getting off the grid now, no-matter what `grid-saving` efforts take place, so l doubt `any` replacement which will still rely on consumer-gouging will be worth the govt-spend. A much better bang-for-buck would be govt to loan `home-owners-in-hardship` (dole-office) for solar panels`n storage, which would 1-get them green, and 2-save poorer folk from corporate electric-bills.

    # ,, but that would require `true` innovation, that is well beyond our copper-class innovation-leader

  170. May 13, 2016 5:43 pm

    Politicians cannot `innovate` as they are merely blow-flies snared within the corporate-spider`s web.

    # ,, and front-yard signs won`t change that either

  171. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2016 6:27 pm

    Yeah! $80k is the ruling class????

    Yomm joins wally in the dunces corner lol

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 6:33 pm

    TR did you say ruling class or was it the usual – he said?

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 6:52 pm

    The `salt-storage` would have been a good replacement teebz,

    Been around for decades, tbagz … I guess coal’s been around as long as, wally … centuries … only the name changes eg Ned Ludd … the last pommie village I lived in was famous for its Luddite group …

    SOLAR and WIND power is ideal for this country … and we rarely hear about geothermal energy … another power source …

    What pisses me off is all the energy sources surrounding us an no-one want to use them … maybe ’cause it will reduce COSTS!

    Our home is powered for FREE! (Actually at a profit ..)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … links to child slave labour via the wholesaler they buy from sourcing from a Singapore firm that purchases in Sri Lanka which purchases from a firm that makes stuff from children it pays $1 per day to…………………..otherwise that would make you are fucking hypocrite.

    Your the hypocrite, Sir Walter, you accept it … I argue against it! Poor leftie that I am!

    I prefer to live in a global society, rather than survive in a global economy!

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 6:54 pm

    Your the hypocrite You’re for ToM … wally wouldn’t see that … save the “attack” on the player!

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 6:59 pm

    WE NEED A BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES ROYAL COMMISSION!

    DODGY LOANS

    While the practice has long been portrayed as the work of a few bad apples in the competitive mortgage broking industry, evidence is emerging that senior banking employees themselves may be involved in mortgage fraud.

    Last month, ABC business journalist Elysse Morgan revealed that her loan documents had been tampered with, telling Four Corners that she got them back from the bank to find that her income had been “massively inflated”.

    “There was a line that says ‘your monthly income’, and for my husband it was correct, but for me it was inflated by around 38 per cent,” Ms Morgan said. She said she had never found out who changed the figures on her loan application, and declined to name the bank when contacted by news.com.au.

    and then this …

    It may sound extraordinary, but Ms Morgan is not alone.

    FUCKING hilarious! Even news.com.au is stuffed!

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/banking/mortgage-fraud-is-the-dirty-secret-that-could-spark-a-financial-meltdown-economist-warns/news-story/53bf8bf125b31e39e0d05c61b3f34d06

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 7:01 pm

    Maybe, neel, is right … this is the election to lose … as the shite comes home to roost AGAIN!

  177. May 13, 2016 7:21 pm

    “It would be even better if the anus-fingering leftists out to destroy the economic system that got us here would just shut up for five minutes. Or better still cut out their tongues and chop off their twitter fingers.”

    😀

  178. May 13, 2016 7:23 pm

    it is always an election to lose teebz, tonight, talkbull and blib are in windsor at a `town-hall` yap session, both will do their utmost to faff it up (-:

  179. May 13, 2016 7:24 pm

    Jeezuz. Just watching PM Waffles and the uvver bloke in a ‘debate’ on Sky. I’m changing channels … now!

  180. May 13, 2016 7:40 pm

    Ha-ha, well said tinfoil`osy. Reportland has just started their blib and talkbull segment, the soundtrack ,, we`re on the road to nowhere ,, #guffaw

  181. May 13, 2016 8:05 pm

    ln moonee fcuking ponds they must have a fetish for bouncing man-boobs. Has everybody seen blib jogging on TV??? ,, l bet blib won`t be doing anymore election `jogging` clips once the chaser types notice. (-:

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2016 10:03 pm

    “It would be even better if the anus-fingering leftists out to destroy the economic system that got us here would just shut up for five minutes. Or better still cut out their tongues and chop off their twitter fingers.”
    😀

    Disturbing that anyone would find that comment amusing … demonstrates a particular mindset that harks back to the Spanish Inquisition …

    Nothing is new … nothing changes …

  183. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2016 8:56 am

    TR did you say ruling class or was it the usual – he said?

    I certainly said ruling class TB, I didn’t say anything about it being people on over $80k

    See how stupid works? Me neither 😉

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2016 11:56 am

    Agree … words in garbage out …

    Its a tory story … combine fiction with fact to confuse and obfuscate …

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2016 12:49 pm

    combine fiction with fact to confuse and obfuscate

    Get stuffed. That is the ALP purpose.

    I still remember the very first lie i was told by ALP supporters back on Dunlops blog in 2007.
    Unemployment went from 8% in 1996 to 4% in 2007. ALP supporters said Howard changed the way the unemployment rate was determined so the unemployment rate was manipulated.

    Never in all my life have i seen more deceitful people than ALP supporters.

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2016 5:14 pm

    He applied the emergency break to try and desperately slow the train before it collided with the vehicle

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/cctv-footage-shows-the-moment-a-polish-train-driver-saves-his-passengers-as-train-crashes/news-story/8b38fd8913d1ac9c0a2b20ee3b3b7593

    BRAKE! You morons …

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2016 8:30 pm

    Media failed Duncan Storrar, and the issues he raised
    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/media-failed-duncan-storrar-and-the-issues-he-raised-20160514-gov5ig.html#ixzz48cdv1ncu

    …Get a grip.
    If you can’t handle a question that challenges your world view – without personally attacking the man who asks it – you’re not mature enough to watch live TV…

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2016 9:21 pm

    yet seem so comfortable with corps bleeding billions from society

    Examples? I doubt if any multi-nationals are avoiding paying tax in Australia. They do not make anything here so there is no tax to pay. Just another dishonest leftie smoke screen.

    In fact the ALP was bending over backwards giving money to multi-national companies like Toyota, GMH, Ford

  189. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2016 9:57 pm

    If you can’t handle a question that challenges your world view – without personally attacking the man who asks it – you’re not mature enough to watch live TV…

    Are we going to hold everyone to that standard?

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2016 10:11 pm

    Are we going to hold everyone to that standard?

    There is a few around here that would … hey, ToM 🙂

  191. May 14, 2016 10:51 pm

    teabag,,,,Are we going to hold everyone to that standard?,,,,

    # ,, try again numb-nuts, there is a `large` clue in the `title`, after all, the `duncan` churn and hysteric followers is just more Limited-News generated troll-farming. Giving their Limited-brained devotees the usual sludge.

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2016 9:29 am

    There is a few around here that would … hey, ToM 🙂

    WTrue TB, there are some here who would prefer to speculate about the background and motivation of people that comment, rather than discuss the actual issues!

    (eg see above)

  193. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2016 9:57 am

    You mean like all those who attacked Duncan rather than address his question yomm?

    Those people?

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2016 10:20 am

    I’m not complaining, just observing whether – “If you can’t handle a question that challenges your world view – without personally attacking the man who asks it – you’re not mature enough to watch live TV…” – represents the standard that people are willing to observe.

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 15, 2016 10:27 am

    $185 mill spent on nannies for 60 families!

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2016 11:47 am

    (eg see above)

    Obtuse as usual … have you looked “above” … five days worth of comments!

    I have a suspicion that when the next polls come out my sense of humour will ratchet up a notch too … ~(;-)

  197. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2016 1:09 pm

    I have a suspicion that when the next polls come out my sense of humour will ratchet up a notch too

    Well if Labor gets back in you can show us how it is done

    We can go back to building FTTP and you can show us how wrong the Coalition was to do FTTN.

    You can get the budget back into surplus. Only fair since Labor got it into deficit in the first place.

    And you can allow open borders and see if you can break the record of Labor locking up 8,469 children.

  198. May 15, 2016 1:19 pm

    transcript/duncan,,,,,,I’ve spent my whole life working off a minimum wage. You’re gonna lift the ##tax-free threshold## for rich people. If you lift my ##tax-free threshold,## that changes my life. That means that I get to say to my little girls, ”Daddy’s not broke this weekend, we can go to the pictures.” Rich people don’t even notice their tax-free threshold lift.

    ADAM BANDT: That’s right.

    DUNCAN STORRAR: Why don’t I get it? Why do they get it?,,,,,,

    hint, Topic=TAX-FREE THRESHOLD

    teabag,,,,,If you don’t like media attention, don’t go on the media,,,,,

    teabag,,,,,Are we going to hold everyone to that standard?,,,,,

    teabag,,,,,there are some here who would prefer to speculate about the background and motivation of people that comment, rather than discuss the actual issues,,,,,

    teabag,,,,,I`m not complaining, just observing whether,,,,,

    # ,, and a fine job you`re doing too (-: tho it does seem that Limited-News sludge has great difficulty evaporating from tinfoil reinforced cubicles

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 15, 2016 2:18 pm

    If Dumbcunt Duncan wants a better life for his girls then he should make an attempt not to get them addicted to drugs like he did to his son. And the ALP would have a little more cred if they didn’t plant stupid stooges like Duncan in the media.

    The only interesting story to come of Q&A is the same story that arises from every episode: why do mongrel “journalists” think they can thieve public resources to push their political barrow. The ABC should be shut down.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2016 3:08 pm

    The ABC should be shut down.

    Surprised Newscorpse hasn’t put in an offer yet …

  201. May 15, 2016 3:21 pm

    Team-pantswet are still guzzling the Limited-News sludge l see. The `policy` question `duncan` asked is `valid`, whether it was asked by teh-public like duncan, a green or `team` politician, or anybody else. Even if asked by a leather jacketed teabag-leader in waiting.

    # ,, Oh Teabags, Will those trousers `ever` be dry???

  202. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2016 3:35 pm

    The ABC should be shut down.

    I wonder which political party the ABC supports?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CidGa3FU4AEGwhs.jpg:large

  203. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2016 4:17 pm

    not to get them addicted to drugs like he did to his son.

    Do you have evidence for that smear or just hearsay?

  204. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2016 4:29 pm

    I’m not complaining

    Says an anonymous “yomm of Melnibone”

    What does “hypocrite” mean again?

    An example of “not complaining”

    “If you don’t like media attention, don’t go on the media.”

    Of course, yomm himself has so far valiantly avoided requests to address the question in … question. Instead, he’s spent most of the time defending an attack on the person in questioning, and making up Shit about the “ruling class” being anybody above $80k, which I also note he has failed to address.

    Not that I’m “complaining” 😉

  205. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2016 4:30 pm

    Oh nil, the abc supports Labor because of
    .
    .
    .
    :drumroll:
    .
    .
    chris ulman 😆 😆 😆

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2016 5:23 pm

    The ABC does look incestuous

    Surprised Newscorpse hasn’t put in an offer yet …

    Who would buy it?

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2016 6:18 pm

    Thick …

  208. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2016 6:24 pm

    Thick …

    as a …….

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2016 6:59 pm

    TR … I was thinking – thick as two planks … ~(;-) … giggle …

  210. May 15, 2016 7:03 pm

    For those who are tired of paddling in the shallow end of the urinal with team-pantswet,

    Here is a spectacular feminista `self-implosion` by Jodie Foster (director) during film promo with a journo

    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36291925

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2016 7:07 pm

    Eat yer fkn words, neel!

    Labor started this and with a bit of luck WILL finish it PROPERLY!

    MALfunction fucked this country with the Liberal version of the NBN just as they will fuck this country with their misunderstanding of renewable energy as a business model …

    Economic managers … my arse! Fiddlers and farters …

    It gets better. Garlick, 43, has faster internet in his rural office — which overlooks scenic grape vines — than he did in the city. “At my old office, I went offline every time it rained,” he admits. As one of the first towns in Australia to be connected to the national broadband network (NBN), McLaren Vale has become a destination for people wanting to ditch the grind of the city for the serenity of a small town — without losing their internet connection.

  212. May 15, 2016 8:38 pm

    my abc tv news,,,,,trustworthy `ratings`, talkbull 5, greenz 4.5,,,,,

    and you guessed it ,,,,,blib 4,,,,,

    # so trashers, `4`what??? #dog.turds

  213. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2016 8:39 pm

    MALfunction fucked this country with the Liberal version of the NBN

    And what is your expertise in this area? Nobody knows how much FTTP would cost or how long it would take to build. As for your link about NBN in regional areas all of Australia’s regional areas would have had broadband years ago if not for Rudd/Gillard. One of the most destructive govts ever who did nothing but destroy things

    http://www.techworld.com.au/article/395910/opel_would_serving_bush_broadband_today_turnbull/

    Federal opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has used his National Press Club address to argue the decision to scrap the Howard government’s OPEL network for an NBN has denied the bush broadband services over the past three years.

    Turnbull gave familiar arguments against the NBN saying the network is too costly, won’t result in more affordable broadband services and will stifle competition.

    “For the 1.5 million or so Australians in remote or sparsely settled areas, the coalition and Labor technology approaches are very similar – fixed wireless and satellite,” he said.

    “It is no accident the technologies to be deployed by the NBN are the same as those which would have been used by OPEL. And, had that scheme not been cancelled by Labor in 2008 would today be providing fast broadband to Australians in those areas.”

  214. May 15, 2016 10:20 pm

    just catching `mad-as-hell` encore edition on my abc, you`re correct folks, brilliant, especially the `pell` skit (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

  215. May 15, 2016 10:42 pm

    Rehydrate the Kraken!

  216. Fast Broadband, Years Ago permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:03 am

    (Rehydrate the Kraken!

    And have a ball?)

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 9:16 am

    A DEFECTED car has been found at Noarlunga Downs after a police chase in the southern suburbs.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/defected-car-found-in-noarlunga-downs-after-pursuit/news-story/e44f3e11b89476640df6d87749b3c8e5

    Not once, not twice but thrice in one article!

    Its DEFECTIVE! You ignorant journalistic twat!

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2016 10:00 am

    More fkn waste by the LNP!

    Too funny. Labor abolishes the Pacific Solution leading to 50,000 boat people coming here costing us at least $15B and TB is worrying bout govt waste

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 10:59 am

    A married Iranian couple who were once refugees at Nauru have left Cambodia and returned to their homeland despite the potential dangers, in a further sign Australia’s $55 million deal with the south-east Asian nation has failed.

    The office of Immigration Minister Peter Dutton confirmed the development on Tuesday, but said Nauru refugees were still encouraged to move to Cambodia.

    It means Australia has paid Cambodia $55 million to permanently resettle just two refugees – striking a further blow to the much-maligned deal.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/blow-to-australias-55-million-cambodia-deal-as-two-more-refugees-reportedly-leave-20160308-gnda8q.html

    Yeah, neel …

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 11:01 am

    BTW, leading to 50,000 boat people …

    RUBBISH!

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/07/22/get-fact-were-there-really-50000-boat-arrivals-a-year-under-labor/

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2016 11:21 am

    RUBBISH!

    Did you read your own link? It says it was most probably a slip of the tongue but there were indeed 50,000 boat arrivals from 2007-2013 costing us at least so far $15B to house all these people and it will be continuing for years more.. Thank goodness the boats have stopped.

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2016 11:28 am

    I read your link again and it just shows how strange you lefties are.

    Apparently Abbott said in July 2013 we got 5,000 boat arrivals which extrapolates to 50,000/year which is correct.

    WE did indeed get 50,000 boat arrivals from 2007-2013 but Abbott was most probably quoting Bob Carr, the Foreign Minister

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/boat-arrivals-to-top-50000-carr-20130721-2qc36.html

    Asylum seekers arriving by boat could top 50,000 a year, making a tough response to stem the rise unavoidable, Foreign Minister Bob Carr says……..The spike in the numbers of people being brought by people smugglers makes it unavoidable,” he told Sky News.
    Advertisement

    “You have got 3000 people arriving a month. The annual rate is something like 40 to 50,000 a year if it continues at this level.

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 12:02 pm

    ALP refused to guarantee penalty rates!

    HILARIOUS!!

    Labor’s workplace relations spokesman has repeatedly refused to guarantee that weekend penalty rates would not be cut under a Shorten government, despite the opposition making the issue a key part of its campaign strategy.
    In a fiery interview on Melbourne radio station 3AW on Monday, host Neil Mitchell castigated Brendan O’Connor for saying voters should await the final decision of the independent industrial umpire.

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten later also refused to guarantee penalty rates would not fall under Labor, while saying only his party could be trusted to protect the “penalty rates system”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-brendan-oconnor-refuses-to-guarantee-penalty-rates-in-trainwreck-interview-20160516-govx1s.html#ixzz48mQZeYSX

  224. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 12:25 pm

    HILARIOUS!!

    IF the umpire says it, then they would have to follow. What else should they do yomm?

    A lot being made of something they have declared for a long time now. But still, very little on malcayman. A frantic “look over there” by the vested interests?

    btw, do you have a position on the question Duncan asked yet, or are you still working out ways to smear him further?

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 12:51 pm

    The Australian government’s plan to cut the corporate tax rate to 25% will deliver a $999m-a-year windfall to the US Internal Revenue Service (IRS) when fully implemented, a progressive thinktank has said.

    The Coalition government wants to cut the corporate tax rate from 30% to 25% by 2026-27, and the tax rate for small businesses from 28.5% to 25% by 2026-27. It hopes the move will boost gross domestic product, profits, jobs and wages.

    However, Australia and the US have a foreign tax treaty under which US companies in Australia pay the IRS the difference between the company tax rates in the two countries.

    The Australia Institute has noted that, while the US rate is 35% and Australia’s rate is 30%, if the difference grows as a result of a lower Australian rate, the IRS will collect more tax at the expense of the Australian Taxation Office.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/16/australia-company-coalition-tax-cuts-hand-1bn-a-year-america-thinktank-says

    LOL! Just give it away!

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 12:54 pm

    A question on negative gearing.

    Q: On the economy, on Friday night’s leaders’ debate you cited “Aussie” John Symonds on negative gearing but in 2013 on Q&A he said negative gearing does need to be looked at. He said: “It leans very highly to… the high income earners and that needs to be brought into line.” Haven’t you both changed your tune on this and why is that?

    The answer to this is Bill Shorten is terribly wicked and this is the same old Labor.

    Turnbull then cuts and runs from the press conference.

    I think you’d call this morning a minor car crash for both the major parties.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2016/may/16/australian-election-2016-new-poll-shows-coalition-leading-in-key-marginals-politics-live

    TurnAbbott does a lot of cutting and running … not so far removed from The Mad Abbott really … I guess, “shit happens” …

    Are we there yet?

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:06 pm

    What else should they do yomm?

    The question arises because the Greens have said they would legislate the penalties, Shorten won’t support this.

    I listened to Kim Carr obfuscate around the same issue on the ABC this morning.

    …so the ALP and Liberals have the same policy on penalty rate, that’s nice to know.

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:19 pm

    “…Apparently Abbott said in July 2013 we got 5,000 boat arrivals which extrapolates to 50,000/year which is correct…”

    Nothing you say is ever correct.

    extrapolation? just count the actual numbers not a fear mongering extrapolation of a cherry picked amount.
    Tell me genius, how many AS did come in 2013?

  229. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:23 pm

    The question arises because the Greens have said they would legislate the penalties, Shorten won’t support this.

    Which is quite stupid, as O’Connor pointed out to dil mitchell this morning.

    …so the ALP and Liberals have the same policy on penalty rate, that’s nice to know.

    Except that we know that the libs want to remove the umpire, and make their own rules.

    Still no position on Duncan’s question yet I note. Easier to bash the questioner than face the question, isn’t it?

  230. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:25 pm

    As far as I can see, the ALP and Liberals both say – wait for the decision of the umpire re penalty rates.

    Yes, it seems they have the same policy.

    Greens have a different policy on the subject, and I suspect some people will find legislative protection attractive.

  231. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:30 pm

    wait for the decision of the umpire re penalty rates.

    And, you have a problem with that?

    it seems they have the same policy.

    “seems”?

    and I suspect some people will find legislative protection attractive.

    Which they have, under Labors system.

    Of course, the Greens will play petty politics, and misrepresent what they are “legislating”

    They are legislating effectively a fixed rate, not a penalty rate. Penalty rates are able to be traded, the Greens would see an end to that. It is stupid. It is why I always choose Labor over the Greens, reality rules.

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:33 pm

    By the way… Duncan should stay out of the media if he prefers anonymity.

    He is a drug addled convicted criminal – so what part of that did I get wrong?

  233. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:34 pm

    So what if Malcolm Turnbull was named in the Panama Papers?

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/opinion/so-what-if-malcolm-turnbull-was-named-in-the-panama-papers-20160515-govfv2#ixzz48mmKCCze
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    What a cringeworthy article, And from the same guy who attacked Gillard continually for a renovation (already cleared) from 30 years ago.

    The fact is that it is highly unlikely that Turnbull has done anything wrong – as it turns out the business ultimately failed, and never earned any taxable profit to be taxed.

    But did he make a profit sinclair? I did read he got ‘fees’ (in the millions?)

    But, ignore all that for a moment. This is the PM of a country who is currently debating these kinds of ‘tax dodges’

    So yes sinclair, that is “what” that he is named as a tax dodger. Put that into perspective when he argues FOR the dodgers.

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:35 pm

    And, you have a problem with that?

    No, I just think it is funny that despite all the ranting and raving about penalty rates – it turns out that the ALP and Libs have the same policy on the subject! In fact it’s…

    HILARIOUS!!!!

  235. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:43 pm

    Duncan should stay out of the media if he prefers anonymity.

    No one said he wanted anonymity yomm. I mean, he wasn’t wearing a bur-qua or anything, was he. But, does asking a question require a forensic breakdown of your entire life to be plastered onto the front page of a paper, with specific attention given to unsubstantiated hearsay from people who may not have your best interests at heart?

    so what part of that did I get wrong?

    Drug addled. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t on drugs at the time, and there is nothing in any of the smear that points to his mind being addled by drugs at all, simply that he has taken them (in fact, lots do)

  236. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:47 pm

    it turns out that the ALP and Libs have the same policy on the subject

    But completely different views on it. I mean, have you EVER seen a Labor MP arguing for them to be cut?

    Yet the Greens have, and now want to play cheap and dirty politics with them.

    Which to me sums up their position

    And, we know the libs might have that policy, but it is not what they want. In fact, they have tried to remove it.

    So, you may think it is hilarious, I just know it is duplicitous

  237. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:48 pm

    Oh, and I note that, even though you found time to further smear Duncan, you STILL haven’t been able to face his question.

    That alone speaks volumes.

  238. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:55 pm

    OK – you win – let’s try – Heavy drug user and criminal – convicted on numerous occasions over many years who also introduced his son to drugs
    —————
    So the ALP and the Libs have exactly the same policies about dealing with penalty rates!
    • The Greens see penalty rates as similar to stuff like-
    • Maximum weekly hours
    • Requests for flexible working arrangements
    • Parental leave and related entitlements
    • Annual leave
    • Personal carers leave and compassionate leave
    • Community service leave
    • Long service leave
    • Public holidays

    What would those Greens know!

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 1:57 pm

    Well, personally I think I pay quite enough tax, and I recently had to write a painful cheque for a whole lot more!

    So perhaps if Duncan spent a little less on dope, he’d have enough to take his kids to the pictures.

  240. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 2:04 pm

    So the ALP and the Libs have exactly the same policies about dealing with penalty rates!

    No they don’t. Have you seen the libs IR policies? Stop making shit up.

    And again, you continue to smear this Duncan fella, and ignore his straightforward question. What is it about the question you fear so much?

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 2:14 pm

    What? Giving people that pay little or no tax a tax cut, when I think I could do with supporting a few less drug addled welfare recipients and chain dragging public servants.

  242. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 2:22 pm

    when I think I could do with supporting a few less drug addled welfare recipients and chain dragging public servants.

    See the link here for options available to the 1% yomm.

    But, to be pedantic, he wasn’t asking for a tax cut per se.

    Personally, I think those doing it tougher deserve more help from the Government than those spending their hours trying to make it harder for those worst off, and squirreling away their hoard from the society they live in.

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 2:30 pm

    Well I look at the amount of tax I pay – and think FMD! And People want me to pay more to give public servants a pay rise or to give even more to welfare recipients

    No, I don’t know about everyone else, but I pay quite enough in tax, and I think I should pay less

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 2:34 pm

    And, you have a problem with that?

    ToM, has never waited or the umpires decision … choosing to speculate and postulate is a modus operandi for him …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well, personally I think I pay quite enough tax, and I recently had to write a painful cheque for a whole lot more!

    And he makes shit up too …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    when I think I could do with supporting a few less drug addled welfare recipients

    Like the surfie folk you seem to spend a lot of time with … ? ~(8-I)

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 2:35 pm

    No, I don’t know about everyone else, but I pay quite enough in tax, and I think I should pay less

    So what %age do you pay?

  246. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 2:54 pm

    I pay quite enough in tax, and I think I should pay less

    Such a unique perspective (sarc)

    Like the surfie folk you seem to spend a lot of time with

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  247. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 2:55 pm

    So what %age do you pay?

    Is that on ALL his income, or just the “taxable” part?

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 3:13 pm

    Yes … TR … far more perqs to reduce income these days …

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 3:44 pm

    I pay plenty of tax, and suggesting I cough up more to help people like Duncan buy more dope doesn’t really make sense to me.

    People like Duncan should have their welfare payments quarantined so that they can’t buy narcotics.

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 3:45 pm

    And re Penalty Rates!

    The ALP wants them, but not enough to make them law.

    HILARIOUS!

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 16, 2016 4:17 pm

    They are legislating effectively a fixed rate, not a penalty rate. Penalty rates are able to be traded, the Greens would see an end to that. It is stupid. It is why I always choose Labor over the Greens, reality rules.

    Is that such a bad thing tomR?

    To be honest, I think that too much has been traded away already and we never get it back. I know in nursing, that lots of stuff gets traded without members agreement. I sure as hell don’t like wages and conditions traded away just so the union can have have better access to the work site & gain more members, or to publish their glossy magazine.

    I prefer the bargaining to be on bettering wages and conditions, but we seem to lose more and more and the productivity is already at stress levels, nurses already donate their own time [time = money] just to get the work done.

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 16, 2016 4:23 pm

    I’d also like to see much more dedication to increasing wages and conditions in female dominated occupations, equality with male dominated occupations would be good and importantly, valuing the work and worth of women and their contribution to the economy.

  253. May 16, 2016 4:32 pm

    “What? Giving people that pay little or no tax a tax cut, “

    At the risk of sounding rational, has it occurred to you that the reason Duncan doesn’t pay much tax is because he doesn’t actually have an income?

    I realise that some people struggle with comprehension .

    It reminds me of when my partner complained last year when he got fuck all money back in his tax return.

    But then he changed his tune when our accountant explained that the reason he got fuck all money back is because we pay fuck all tax in the first place. One of the perks of having a creative accountant.

    Someone has to pay tax. Obviously those who can afford a decent accountant and offshore bank accountants shouldn’t have to, but it’s hard to argue that someone who doesn’t actually have any source of income somehow isn’t paying their fair share. Even I can see that.

  254. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 4:54 pm

    Is that such a bad thing tomR?

    Penalty rates are already written into Awards. The Greens want to legislate this, which might make many awards invalid. Industrial relations should walk the line between workers and industry.

    At the risk of sounding rational

    Fuck Off and run yer own blog if you wanna start that sort of shit reb! 😉

    Duncan doesn’t pay much tax is because he doesn’t actually have an income?

    OUCH!

  255. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2016 5:07 pm

    Nothing you say is ever correct.

    extrapolation? just count the actual numbers not a fear mongering extrapolation of a cherry picked amount.

    What? I said Labor let in 50,000 boat people from 2007-2013 which is correct. Then TB jumped in and said my claim was rubbish and gave a link. It was the link that was rubbish. Then you jumped in to confuse things.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-07/abbott-says-asylum-seeker-arrivals-now-50000-under-labor/4871506

    Asylum seekers in Australian waters

    2013: 17,710
    2012: 17,202
    2011: 4,565
    2010: 6,535
    2009: 2,726
    2008: 161

    *Figures courtesy of DIAC

    That adds up to 48,700 which is approx 50,000

  256. Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2016 5:17 pm

    “At the risk of sounding rational, has it occurred to you that the reason Duncan doesn’t pay much tax is because he doesn’t actually have an income?”

    Yeah………the cnut probably has a negatively geared property

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 5:22 pm

    Industrial relations should walk the line between workers and industry.

    And of course if Labor followed the Liberals and Greens on this – yes the Greens – the Fairwork Commission becomes defunct … awards, pay rates, conditions would be dictated by legislation – not an independent umpire … exactly what the tories want … control over seven day weeks and $2 an hour …

    De natali is really overstretching … and there is every possibility that the Greens campaign to disrupt Labor at every turn will backfire on them … way too aggressive … with pop guns …

    The Award System has worked for Australia for decades and only the Germans have a system as effective – companies have worker reps on their boards … *

    (* I compared the Japan, USA, UK, Germany IR systems with Australia as an assignment at uni. … I was expected to prove the Award System needed to change … my research and paper proved otherwise – nothing is new)

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 5:27 pm

    Yeah………the cnut probably has a negatively geared property

    That would be a safe bet … apart from the fact that most of them are rich cnuts avoiding tax …

    Duncan ain’t rich – we’ve agreed on that at least … and that is actually the point …

    Rich = arrogant and selfish

    Poor – desperate and struggling

    Australia has lost its soul …

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 5:28 pm

    1% = 50% of wealth …

    Nothing is new …

  260. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 6:01 pm

    awards, pay rates, conditions would be dictated by legislation

    Which any Government of the day can change at will.

    Independent Unpire gets politicians out of it (as much as possible)

    The Greens are becoming one of my least favourite parties. Coasting in on years of work the Labor Party has done, and trying to sneak cheap votes of hteir supporters.

    Which in turn leads to a more likely liberal grubmint

    Nice work bozzos

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 6:02 pm

    At the risk of sounding rational

    It’s a minimal risk!

  262. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2016 6:04 pm

    it’s hard to argue that someone who doesn’t actually have any source of income somehow isn’t paying their fair share

    Duncan wanted a reduced tax threshold so that he could take his kids to the pictures, but he already doesn’t pay tax!

    How does reducing the tax threshold work for someone that already is below the taxable threshold?

  263. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 6:05 pm

    Hope yer humour is on the improve TB 😉

  264. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 6:12 pm

    Duncan wanted a reduced tax threshold so that he could take his kids to the pictures, but he already doesn’t pay tax!

    That isn’t exactly what he was saying yomm

    just saying 😉

  265. May 16, 2016 6:24 pm

    TB,,,,,fucked this country with the Liberal version of the NBN,,,,,

    # ,, Correct teebz. Having been conducting similar nbn conversation you and l have about nbn with two ex-telecom techs (one on east-coast, one on west-coast) you may like to know,

    # ,, both basically say my `nbn-fcuked-until-2050` prediction is `delusionally-optimistic`, and considering the `atlasian` loss to the nation as `only-the-beginning`

    # ,, we can basically forget about a `silicon-Aust` joining `silicon-alberta` and `silicon-valley` that the copper-class innovation-leader is spouting, that`s all bullshit, and we have been put too far behind to catch up, even if the teabags remained out of Govt for the next 30-years

    # ,, the reasoning is `silicon-china` already exists, tho fire-walled off from the rest of the world at the moment, except for when they probe`n hack all other nations networks

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 6:26 pm

    Hope yer humour is on the improve TB😉

    Aw! Fuck! That’s awful … * LOL! LOL! LOL!NGWAY TO GO! THO’!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    That isn’t exactly what he was saying yomm

    Planks or bricks, TR?

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2016 6:30 pm

    ToM … you should really read your “arguments”, sunshine … someone who doesn’t actually have any source of income … … unlike you?

  268. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2016 6:45 pm

    # ,, both basically say my `nbn-fcuked-until-2050` prediction is `delusionally-optimistic`, and considering the `atlasian` loss to the nation as `only-the-beginning`

    Well if Labor gets back in you can change it back to FTTP. It is still Labors NBN.

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 16, 2016 7:02 pm

    Which any Government of the day can change at will

    And they do. Which is the problem with our political system. The people are held hostage every three years to political ideology, there is nothing to protect us from government via corporate lobby and donations.

    Independent Unpire gets politicians out of it (as much as possible)

    How can anything ever be truly independent of government when politicians wield all power? Yes, they like to say it is so, to make us think it’s not so rigged, but the corrupt and corrupted politicians have ultimate power over everything.

    Coasting in on years of work the Labor Party has done, and trying to sneak cheap votes of hteir supporters.

    I don’t think labor has been paying too much attention to their ‘supporters’ they have been happy for the progressive vote to bleed off to the greens while they play ‘me too’ games with the libs and totally ignore progressives. What they are not even trying to work on is why voters have left them, they haven’t cared at all, the split from labor hasn’t been overnight either, it’s been a decade or two of bitter disappointment and neglect by labor.

    Liberal Lite is not an option for some of us.

  270. May 16, 2016 7:20 pm

    kneel,,,,if Labor gets back in you can change it back to FTTP,,,,

    # ,, l don`t know that there would be any point kneel. One of the ex-telecom`s reckon the copper-class `configuration` is not transferable to the fiber-to-user system, and most of the `nodes` and copper will just be ripped-out and chucked in the bin (quite a bit of waste, huh?)

  271. May 16, 2016 7:38 pm

    “So perhaps if Duncan spent a little less on dope, he’d have enough to take his kids to the pictures.”

    He has to buy his own dope? The sooner medical marijuana is made legal the sooner Poor Old National Treasure Dunc is on easy street. Choc tops for everyone!

  272. May 16, 2016 8:08 pm

    (rest assured, some here could not rewrite the software or cross pollinate if their life depended on it)

  273. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2016 8:08 pm

    # ,, l don`t know that there would be any point kneel. One of the ex-telecom`s reckon the copper-class `configuration` is not transferable to the fiber-to-user system, and most of the `nodes` and copper will just be ripped-out and chucked in the bin (quite a bit of waste, huh?)

    I think most of the NBN is yet to be built. You could leave whats done and do the rest FTTP. I think that should be possible.

  274. May 16, 2016 8:30 pm

    kneel,,,,,You could leave whats done and do the rest FTTP. I think that should be possible,,,,,

    # ,, l took that as a given kneel, by-pass or go around `node` and copper `areas`

    # ,, but when you said ,,,,change it(#areas) back to FTTP,,,, then see previous answer

  275. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 9:14 pm

    but the corrupt and corrupted politicians have ultimate power over everything

    And the greens plan just hands more to them. They are the ones enabling the libs wet dream, so if anyone deserves the label lib lite it would be them

  276. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2016 9:28 pm

    And a good question just asked over at pb

    If the greens are so concerned about penalty rates why didn’t they make a submission to fwa like Labor did?

  277. May 16, 2016 9:38 pm

    ha-ha, my abc mediawatch reports the `terror` discovered my `blibs-manboobs` heads-up (-:

    (also, the `duncan` bashing came across as `pathetic` teabags, keep guzzling the sludge)

  278. May 16, 2016 9:50 pm

    team-cheerer,,,,,if anyone deserves the label lib lite it would be them,,,,,

    # ,, now who`s kidding themselves (hint, stop drinking what yomm usually guzzles)

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2016 10:41 pm

    # ,, but when you said ,,,,change it(#areas) back to FTTP,,,, then see previous answer

    I meant leave the areas which have been done (FTTN) and do the rest FTTP. It would be interesting to see if FTTP is doable. I suspect the cost would be enormous and would take 50 years to finish. FTTP means laying cable in every street

  280. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2016 11:04 pm

    Looks like we do not need FTTP. When ultra high speed is available people chose the slower cheaper option.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/federal-election-2016-no-paying-customers-for-topspeed-nbn/news-story/4b4413b0cb11518da0f825b494bf1daf

    There are no paying customers on the National Broadband Network’s fastest service, undermining Labor’s rhetoric about the need for a “first-rate fibre” rollout.

    The Australian can reveal that the NBN Co’s “gigabit nation” service, announced 10 days before the 2010 election, is being used only on a trial basis by internet service providers. This is despite the ultra-fast service, pitched at businesses, of one gigabit per second having been available since late 2013……..Of NBN services that are also geared towards households, 33 per cent of consumers are on the slowest­ service, offering download speeds of 12Mbps, 47 per cent are on the second-slowest of 25Mbps and just 15 per cent are on the 100Mbps service.

    Former Telstra chief economist John de Ridder said consumers were not prepared to pay for 100Mbps “because they do not need it unless they have simultaneous users — kids — at home.”

    “Netflix needs only 25Mbps to stream ultra-HD quality video,” Mr de Ridder said.

  281. May 16, 2016 11:46 pm

    You`re back to guzzling the Limited-News sludge kneel, every time they `only` mention `download` speed instead of `upload` you`re getting sludge. The `money` and future is server-side, serving the next facebook, yahoo, google, `cloud` to the world. lt is part of the reason `atlasian` didn`t stay, couldn`t run `their` server from `their` chosen location.

  282. May 17, 2016 12:49 am

    Aaaah, Kneel of Shitney.

    Entropy (still) increasing in his worldview gland.

  283. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2016 3:52 am

    You`re back to guzzling the Limited-News sludge kneel

    The article posts facts which can be checked. People are choosing the cheapest internet option with the NBN, not the option with the fastest download speeds. I think the ALP is taking us for a ride about the benefits of ultrafast internet.

  284. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 6:57 am

    The article posts facts which can be checked.

    They were, here’s someone who did

    Fact-checking
    Delimiter believes that the raw figures quoted by The Australian are broadly correct.

    However, it also appears that the Murdoch outlet’s article this morning did not contain the full story or context with respect to the NBN company’s 1Gbps services.

    For example, it appears that there are a number of ISPs currently trialling 1Gbps retail services on the NBN, but that none have yet launched such a service commercially.

    This means that retail customers are currently unable to purchase the 1Gbps services, limiting uptake to zero.

    https://delimiter.com.au/2016/05/16/no-gigabit-demand-australian-continues-nbn-election-attack/

    The lolstralian hits it for six again 😆

  285. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 7:56 am

    What happened next was fascinating and awful. His ‘critics’ did not refute Storrar’s main point that a rise in the tax free threshold can change the daily life of a poor person. Probably because it’s irrefutable. Nor did they take up O’Dwyer’s bungled defence of a tax cut for the rich over the poor – which might even be defensible if you’re arguing from deep inside the closed loop of neo-liberal economics. Nope. They just pulled on the jackboots and kicked forty-seven flavours of shit out of an impoverished, uneducated man who’d done nothing more than ask a simple but surprisingly difficult question.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/blunt-instrument/crowds-bite-back-at-savage-response-to-duncan-storrars-simple-qa-question-20160516-gowmts.html

    A question yomm is still struggling to comprehend it appears. Although, finally (after much maligning, not by us, but by him off the questioner) we get to see that he would still prefer to have his top shelf bourbon over JimmyBeam than help out some young girls doing it tough. Nice.

    And Birmingham nails it at the end what this is all about, It isn’t murdor thrashing about without a plan, it is all about silencing dissent.

    He had dared to speak a simple truth – not even a particularly radical one. A couple of bucks means a helluva lot more to somebody without a buck to their name. For this, he had to be destroyed, and not simply refuted.

    Why?

    Because if you knock down an argument that threatens privilege and power, you always face the prospect of the argument being refined and returning to vex you. But if you utterly destroy the person who is bold or foolish enough to open their mouths and question you in the first place, you dramatically reduce the chances of anything like that happening again.

    KNOW YOUR PLACE PLEBS!! It’s a simple and graphic lesson to anyone else who dares challenge the ruling class (which some dopes seem to think means $80k+, or were they just thrashing about for relevance?)

  286. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 9:18 am

    “Why?”

    Because he’s still/or was a fucking drug addict who has been jailed and his wife is even scared of him.

    The bloke is an absolute arsehole who likely pays no net tax because of all the benefits he already gets chiefly from those who earn >$80K.

    And if this pig of a bloke really wanted to improve his lot he would stop the fuck worrying about what others receive each week and concentrate on what he receives and how he could earn more without having to slug the taxpayer for more and more and more.

  287. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 9:22 am

    “The Greens are becoming one of my least favourite parties. Coasting in on years of work the Labor Party has done,……..”

    I agree…………and it’s very amusing to watch

  288. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2016 9:43 am

    Essential reading:

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2016 9:47 am

    TomR

    From your link

    Although it has not yet announced its new NBN policy, it is not expected that Labor would return to its original Fibre to the Premises model if it wins the election. Instead, the party is expected to announce it will support a FTTdp model in which Fibre is extended to customers’ driveways but not their actual premises, as well as maintaining the existing HFC cable extension plans.

    Doing FTTP for the remaining unfinished NBN should be possible. I bet you the ALP does not do it if they get back in. I thinks the costs for FTTP are just too great.

  290. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:01 am

    What is it with the left and violence? Another Klintoon goon:

  291. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:11 am

    Meanwhile…………over at the Socialist paradise that is Venezuela…..

    “The cash-strapped government can’t even pay for basic imports such as sugar, flour and eggs. Many Venezuelans wait several hours in lines outside supermarkets, hoping shelves won’t be emptied out by the time they arrive.

    Reports of looting of staples like kitchen rolls, salt and shampoo — even chicken and underwear — throughout the country amid empty shops and soaring black market prices are a keen indicator of how desperate some have become.”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/15/americas/venezuela-slide-into-crisis/index.html

  292. May 17, 2016 10:12 am

    “And if this pig of a bloke really wanted to improve his lot he would stop the fuck worrying about what others receive each week and concentrate on what he receives and how he could earn more without having to slug the taxpayer for more and more and more.”

    Look that’s quite a spirited defence of Malcolm Turnbull but is there any need to call him a pig of a bloke….

    #justsayin

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:21 am

    NEGATIVE GEARING

    Seems its hard to make a case FOR negative gearing even if you work for news.com.au …

    Industry lenders are not really very good reference points ie John Symonds …

    The journo is obviously struggling to support TurnAbbott … a valiant but somewhat fruitless exercise …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/what-happened-last-time-we-messed-with-housing/news-story/ad060b7d2557bd382f4bba5d1fa9ca98

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    NBN!

    I thinks the costs for FTTP are just too great.

    They fkn are NOW! Thanks to the Liberal Party Against Australia …

  294. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:22 am

    he would still prefer to have his top shelf bourbon over JimmyBeam

    Don’t you read my comments? Jim Beam? As if I’d drink that, it’s for bogans! I don’t drink spirits – ever!

    Only outstanding Australian red.

  295. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:26 am

    “Meanwhile…………over at the Socialist paradise that is Venezuela…..”

    The only difference between Little Billy Two-Knives and the cat-strangling pig-of-a-bloke is that Two Knives will get us there slightly faster.

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:28 am

    What is it with the left and violence? Another Klintoon goon:

    Then I thought … why bother …

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:34 am

    I’d be more concerned about the Australian Liberal Party and IT’S choice of candidates and woes rather than countries half around the world … look over THERE!

    Well … LOOK OVER HERE!

    The Liberal party’s candidate for Fremantle in Western Australia was absent from a press conference with Malcolm Turnbull on Monday after documents revealed that he had misdescribed his work history on his application for preselection.

    Sherry Sufi, 33, incorrectly described his work experience on his application for endorsement by the Liberal party.

    The revelation, broken by the West Australian, has thrown Sufi into the national spotlight in the second week of the election campaign, putting pressure on the Liberal party to back its candidate, just as Labor and the Greens had to do in Victoria and New South Wales last week.

    It has also emerged Sufi has warned in the past that same-sex marriage could lead to polygamy and criticised an apology to the stolen generations.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/16/turnbull-campaigns-without-fremantle-candidate-after-true-work-history-revealed

    “misdescribed”? misfkndecribed? Is that a made up word for LIED or CHEATED?

  298. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:37 am

    “Seems its hard to make a case FOR negative gearing even if you work for news.com.au …”

    Allow me to preface my following statements with the observation that something did need to be done with NG but not like the ALP is proposing.

    Investors are attracted to NG because what they dont get in rental income they get in a tax refund. So it acts as a taxpayer subsidised rental .

    If you withdraw it then the asset will need to be repriced over the medium term to a rental yield that justifies its price. So the asset will either fall in value until the rental yield is once again attractive to investors or alternatively in order to maintailn its current value the rent will increase to a level that is attractive to the investor.

    Its very simple asset pricing really. And under the ALP it will happen one way or the other.

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:38 am

    My sense of humour is really firing up now …

    Labor has established a four point lead over the Coalition in two-party preferred terms, leading 52% to 48% in the latest Essential poll.

    Morgan and Essential! Week Two …

  300. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2016 10:48 am

    They fkn are NOW! Thanks to the Liberal Party Against Australia …

    Nobody knows how much FTTP would cost. FTTN has to be cheaper because only the main streets have to be dug up. I hope Labor wins the election and they can show us how FTTP is done

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 11:22 am

    So the falsely inflated asset will either fall in value …

    As a regular commenter here says … there fixed it for ya … ! (;-)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I saw yesterday that Chinese property investors have purchased $150 billion in the USA over (from memory) the last five years … beware the Chinese Commercial Invasion!

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 11:40 am

    Serious Question.

    I have relatives visiting from the UK soon … and they want to visit Sydney and are looking at a s/c unit in Surrey Hills for a week.

    I’m a bit like ToM is with Brisbane, regarding Sydney – two days and I have to get out … so I’m not really familiar with the city these days.

    So …

    A local question for local people … is Surrey Hills OK for a couple of tourists?

  303. May 17, 2016 11:58 am

    Tony Abbott claims Herr Bolt is ‘Our Finest Public Intellectual’…(guffaw)

  304. May 17, 2016 11:59 am

    It depends.

    There’s Surry Hills the cockroach infested drug den of misfits and derelicts, and then there’s the sophisticated latte sipping suburb of Surry Hills peroxide blonde bimbos and fake tan gym freaks.

    If they fit into either of those two categories or somewhere in between they should be fine.

  305. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 12:10 pm

    “………is Surrey Hills OK for a couple of tourists?”

    Well in the first place its spelt Surry Hills.

    Its very heavily terrace housing with main traffic busy streets being Cleveland, Bourke , Albion.

    Good access from airport by cab, prob $35 to $40 cab fare and good access to City/Harbour by very frequent buses along Oxford many of which have final detination at Circular Quay (Opera House and the Bridge and Rocks areas) for access across Harbour to Manly/Northern Beaches and lower northern burbs. Also buses along Oxford access to Bondi Junction (not Bondi Beach) big difference. They need buses to the Beach not Junction. Buses along Oxford also provide access to Darling Harbour

    We now have the Opal card here which is like the card system they have in London so you need to find out what they need to do for public transport access as tourists.Parking at a premium in Surry Hills so dont hire a car.

    Stacks of restaurants in Oxford Street and immediate side streets and all along Bourke Street at the Cleveland Street end. Gay pubs are chiefly along Oxford straight bars are mainly in streets leading off Oxford

  306. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 12:27 pm

    And since you are a lazy prick here’s some info on Opal for visitors

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g255060-c211899/Sydney:Australia:Opal.Card.Public.Transport.Smartcard.html

  307. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 1:01 pm

    Of course the other suburb you could look at is Newtown which IMHO blows Surry Hills clear out out the water as far as eating/drinking/buses (especially prices) are concerned.

    Just not as convenient to Bondi Beach if they want to visit that over hyped expensive eyesore.

  308. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 1:28 pm

    is there any need to call him a pig of a bloke….

    Well, for starters, he is hiding his money away overseas in tax havens, while making life harder for people like Duncan

    So it acts as a taxpayer subsidised rental .

    ROFL…….EXCEPT when..

    It is making it harder for first home buyers to buy a home
    Which means more of them are renting
    Which means more renters in rental market
    which means landlords can charge more
    Which means renters are paying more for this ‘alleged’ “subsidy”

    And yet the grubmint won’t subsidise an industry that put more back into the economy than making people homeless ever will

    Oh, and TB, the best suburb of Sydney is Adelaide ……… still 😉

  309. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 1:51 pm

  310. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 2:03 pm

    “Here is Duncan Storrar’s eloquent response to being demonised ”

    So a former drug addicted ex crim feels demonised…………………..too fucking bad.

    Oh cry me a taxpayer subsidised river………pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease

  311. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 2:12 pm

    too fucking bad

    wally’s headstone ™

  312. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2016 2:38 pm

    That lying drug-fucked turd is an ALP poster boy precisely because he is emblematic of the ALP. Like all junkies (and ALP politicians) he is cynically self-interested, a mentally unstable whining shit who blames everyone else for his failures and has absolutely no self-awareness at all. The only real difference is that (unlike many ALP pollies) Duncan is probably not a pedophile.

    He is the ordinary citizen par excellence that the ALP wishes to create. The lefty elite, the new Nomenklatura, want to govern society to thieve from the rich to provide for the poor. Then we will have true equality – the equality of poverty that so characterises socialist systems everywhere (except of course for the Nomeklatura).

  313. May 17, 2016 2:48 pm

    “That lying drug-fucked turd is an ALP poster boy precisely because he is emblematic of the ALP. Like all junkies (and ALP politicians) he is cynically self-interested, a mentally unstable whining shit who blames everyone else for his failures and has absolutely no self-awareness at all. The only real difference is that (unlike many ALP pollies) Duncan is probably not a pedophile.”

    And here I was thinking that he was simply pointing out the discrepancy between high income earners receiving a tax cut while low income earners were not..

    Did I miss something…??

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2016 2:48 pm

    A drug addict criminal who got his son addicted, goes on taxpayer tv and says he wants a tax cut. Then he complains that he’s lost his anonymity!

    …meanwhile the ALP barrackers want taxpayers to cough up more taxes so that dope head criminals can have an easier life!

  315. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 2:49 pm

    That lying drug-fucked turd

    Lying? Perhaps you have a link?

    drug-fucked

    You say that like it’s a bad thing?

  316. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 2:58 pm

    who got his son addicted

    Do you have evidence of that, or just hearsay?

    goes on taxpayer tv

    You mean like bolt, akers, etal (except, they get paid)

    AND, being a taxpayer, why shouldn’t he?

    says he wants a tax cut.

    What a unique individual

    Then he complains that he’s lost his anonymity

    LINK! Or are you verballing again?

  317. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 3:04 pm

    …meanwhile the ALP barrackers want taxpayers to cough up more taxes so that dope head criminals can have an easier life!

    …meanwhile the vociferous workchoice barrackers want the poorest taxpayers to cough up more taxes so that dope head criminals investors can have an even easier life!

  318. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2016 3:06 pm

    “Did I miss something…??”

    What discrepancy – if you look at the changes in thresholds over time there isn’t one. The low wage earners have done better overall. If you look at one point in time without considering the changes the ALP made then you certainly would miss something.

    And I’m pretty sure, based on his form, that the lying junkie would be more likely to buy his daughters drugs than actually take them to the movies even if he could scrounge some more money from somewhere. I’m pretty sure one reason the ALP decided to plant Duncan in the audience was to bolster their argument for euthanasia.

    Nirvana for the ALP is a country full of losers dependent on the government and grateful to politicians for throwing them scraps. The last thing they want is an independent self-respecting citizenry who desire nothing more than that politicians fuck-off out of their lives. The more losers there are the more supporters the ALP has. This explains everything you need to know about their policies.

  319. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 3:37 pm

    “Nomenklatura”

    What the fuck Splatter !

    I had to look that one up

  320. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2016 3:48 pm

    Nomeklatura – the robber barons of socialist societies. Useless grasping overpaid twats living large on the public teat. They ought to be sacked – every last one of them. Gillian Triggs, Mark Scott, Tim Flannery the whole of the ABC – knaves, cunts and thieves one and all. I don’t even know where to start.

  321. Equality Under Law permalink
    May 17, 2016 4:09 pm

    (Newscrop probably can afford to write off a hefty defamation payout as a business expense; but what of those obviously so addicted to publishing crap that it’s become their signature poison-pen piece, whether at the instigation of acclaimed workplace-mobbing masters or of their own initiative?

    And it’s not as if prior eloquence might have put any such lawless reprobates on specific notice that further aggravation could prove rather damaging; and bearing in mind that truth, if any, particularly that of a(n un)troothy kind, remains an utterly incomplete defence for considerable antisocial behaviour, if its assertion serves to defame rather than relevantly engage in public discussion of a substantive matter or matters and/or if and especially if accompanied by appreciable malice.)

  322. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 4:12 pm

    based on his form

    And that is based on ……….. rumours spread from somebody who admits to disliking him. But perpetuate the rumour for your overlords.

    What the fuck Splatter !

    It’s the nomenclature of the desperate.

    I don’t even know where to start.

    So, not with “Gillian Triggs, Mark Scott, Tim Flannery” then ❓

  323. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 4:23 pm

    if its assertion serves to defame rather than relevantly engage in public discussion

    You mean, like a certain racist blogger currently in the employ of the lefty ABC that is currently (bewilderingly) in trouble for allowing a zero net taxpayer the chance to speak WITHOUT monetary reward whilst said racist is payed by zero net taxpayers dollars to presumably spout more racist nonsense?

  324. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 4:37 pm

  325. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 4:41 pm

    “Newscrop probably can afford to write off a hefty defamation payout……..”

    Where has that drug addict criminal c*nt Duncan been defamed ?

  326. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 4:58 pm

    Where has that drug addict criminal c*nt Duncan been defamed ?

    You mean apart from this site?

    Apart from yomm specifically?

  327. May 17, 2016 5:01 pm

    When it comes to `duncan`, l see our bleeding heart, pinko leftists have not learned a damn thing.

  328. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 5:13 pm

    “Do you have evidence of that, or just hearsay?”

    Its a claim by his son. Did Duncan deny it ?

  329. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2016 5:20 pm

    It would be beautiful if Dropkick Duncan blew his $60k (or whatever it is now) paying some grasping lefty lawyer to run a hopeless defamation case! 🙂

  330. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 5:51 pm

    Its a claim by his son.

    Well, it an interpetation of what his son said by the lolstralian.

    So yes, hearsay.

    Did Duncan deny it ?

    See how quickly that escalated. A guy asks a question, and now finds himself where he must defend allegations slandered against him.

    A recap of recent defamation’s

    • That lying drug-fucked turd

    • who got his son addicted

    • Duncan wanted a reduced tax threshold so that he could take his kids to the pictures, but he already doesn’t pay tax!

  331. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 5:54 pm

    “……..paying some grasping lefty lawyer to run a hopeless defamation case!”

    What’s Julia upto these days ???????????????

  332. Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2016 5:55 pm

    “…….and now finds himself where he must defend allegations…….”

    So he didn’t deny it

  333. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2016 6:02 pm

    So he didn’t deny it

    Ah yes, welcome to Oz, where asking a question of the elites means you are guilty until proven forgotten.

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 7:07 pm

    Wally, thanks for the Surry Hills (sic)* info … much appreciated … and VERY informative …

    Keep up the good workS … seriously thanks …

  335. May 17, 2016 7:17 pm

    (Those that guzzle the sludge cannot detect if said sludge is that of a(n un)troothy kind, serves to defame, or is accompanied by appreciable malice. Tho won`t be a problem for those that may (or may not) sit in judgement of (possible, or probable) matters. Until then, the sludge will keep flowing as it must, as those that guzzle the sludge are addicted to their sludge, not withstanding, those that produce the sludge, are addicted to producing it too.)

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 7:25 pm

    Did I miss something…??

    No, sreb, but it seems, sb, missed a whole lot …

    And, sb, thanks for the insults … shows you have nowhere to go … if you really believe that people like sreb, TR, KL, toylet et al … match your over the top tirade I wonder at your narrow mindedness …

    Can you point out anyone here who talks about tories using that stupid sort of language …

    The word nasty springs to mind … typical right wing catlyk aggression … get over it …

    I’m pretty sure one reason the ALP decided to plant Duncan in the audience was to bolster their argument for euthanasia.

    See!

    Nomeklatura Obsessed with communism … it is the 21st Century and it is Australia … FFS! Extreme nonsense … and extreme lack of any compassion … very katlyk approach to life and others …

    Useless grasping overpaid twats living large on the public teat.

    Try this list and remember that 1% of the world’s population own 50% of the wealth … 50% of the worlds population own 1% of its wealth …

    ► Negative Gearing Welfare
    ► Trust Fund Welfare
    ► Super Tax Breaks for the Rich Welfare
    ► Multi-national Tax Dodge Welfare – Emphasising the PANAMA PAPERS
    ► Present Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare
    ► Post Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare
    ► Pollies International Travel Wastefulness

  337. May 17, 2016 7:43 pm

    splattering,,,,,whole of the ABC, knaves, cunts,,,,,

    # ,, l know, it`s terrible. Fancy my taxpayer funded abc `actually` letting a `taxpayer` ask a question, particularly on a show that asks `questions`, instead of having yet another corporate mouth-piece recite and regurgitate the same old lines. The sky is falling!

  338. May 17, 2016 8:01 pm

    TB,,,,,Can you point out anyone here who talks about tories,,,,,

    # ,, Pick Me! ,, Pick Me! ,, Pick Me! ,, Pick Me! ,, (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2016 8:28 pm

    LNP want to stick signs at my place! LOL!

  340. May 17, 2016 9:30 pm

    This Mocking-Jay knows that the empty `canoe-promises` that are pacifying District-5, and front-yard signs in District-4 will never stop the fascists (above) from demanding more Hunger Games.

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2016 9:30 pm

    Balmain is better than Surry Hills or Newtown.

    ….but I usuallybstay in Bondi or Bronte

  342. A Role To Play permalink
    May 18, 2016 3:07 am

    (Ah yes, welcome to Oz, where asking a question of the elites means you are guilty until proven forgotten.

    True; perhaps that’s why setting an agenda to zero net emissions of (un)question(able)s is such a distraction from the real job of pie-growing that it’s almost a job in itself. *Toasty*)

  343. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:30 am

    Wow Role To Play. Seems the libs role is to lie their arse off, and lapdogs like tony jones just nod their heads and hum

    wholesale electricity prices went up by 78%

    Fucken REALLY!

    And the response from the nodding head

    You’ve just started off another whole debate, so I’m going to wind you up there.

    No she didn’t ‘start of another debate’, she lied her fucking arse off you dickhead

  344. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:31 am

    And David Feeney proves stupid is contagious across ALL political persuasions.

  345. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:32 am

    ….but I usuallybstay in Bondi or Bronte

    Preferably at the expense of some poorer children, hey yomm.

  346. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 8:00 am

  347. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2016 9:27 am

    Maybe it’s time to do some overnight watering of the city square! Turn the sprinklers on at 2am!

    A defiant group of homeless people sleeping in the City Square are refusing to move, despite a one-year $750,000 funding extension for a rough sleeping accommodation program.
    The state government has extended the funding in a bid to shift the group, but it has so far failed to convince the campers, who say it could make matters worse.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/city-square-homeless-campers-750000-cant-convince-them-to-go-20160517-gox2wv.html#ixzz48xUnYCjd

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 9:57 am

    ….but I usuallybstay in Bondi or Bronte?

    Must have a had a big face lift since I was there (a decade ago admittedly) … I tend to agree with wally (!!!) Boni is over-rated … way over …

  349. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 10:36 am

    “….but I usuallybstay in Bondi or Bronte?”

  350. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2016 10:48 am

    Ian Marsh. Our political system is in gridlock.
    http://johnmenadue.com/blog/?p=6435

    …In the consideration of policy proposals, the system lacks what might be termed a ‘contemplative’ phase. Expert, political and public opinion needs to be engaged in transparent settings prior to decisions being taken by the executive. This is a fundamental gap…

    John Menadue. Are conservatives better economic managers?
    http://johnmenadue.com/blog/?p=6381

    …As Ian McAuley also points out, there is thirdly an assumption that rich people are clever and therefore better managers. Some clever people may be good managers but many rich people have the benefit of inheritance. Other rich people like developers, are able to manipulate governments to obtain concessions, but they don’t show much ability to compete in an open market without government support. As John Maynard Keynes reminded us we need to distinguish between speculators and business persons who really make things. He might have had people like Malcolm Turnbull in mind. When Malcolm really had a business management job, the NBN, he failed badly…

    Oh, the games they will play, Peter Dutton’s dead cat.

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2016 11:00 am

    “No, sreb, but it seems, sb, missed a whole lot … “

    So you either don’t understand the point I was making or you can’t be bothered answering it?

    “shows you have nowhere to go”

    I went somewhere and made a logical argument. I’m still waiting for you to stop whining and make a logical answer to it.

    “and extreme lack of any compassion”

    I have exactly zero compassion for New Class ideologues living on government funded sinecures – especially highly paid moralising mongrels like Mark Scott and Gillian Triggs.

    1% of the world’s population own 50% of the wealth … 50% of the worlds population own 1% of its wealth

    You say that like it proves something (other than it upsets jealous vindictive leftists). What is that, exactly?

    And while we are on the topic of really dumb arguments what exactly does babbling “Panama Papers” actually prove?

    Some of what is on your list is spot on. Other items are a bit more nuances than you make out but I guess it is a bit much to expect you to see that.

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:01 pm

    Why thanks, sb … BTW, babbling works both ways …

    Stupid is neither left nor right … greed is neither left nor right … human rights and respect … mmm …

  353. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:07 pm

    So you either don’t understand the point I was making or you can’t be bothered answering it?

    I can’t speak for reb, but I’ll give you my opinion of your ‘point’

    What discrepancy – if you look at the changes in thresholds over time there isn’t one. The low wage earners have done better overall.

    I note you limit it to ‘ changes in thresholds over time’ but ignore the many other, sometimes massive, changes that are made to other tax laws that benefit the rich. I think you will find that ‘over time’, the pendulum has swung a long way in their favour.

    what exactly does babbling “Panama Papers” actually prove?

    That the leader of a grubmint who is making a lot of noises about tax rorts (but doing little) has been busted as a one of the rorters himself.

    Which means the grubmint THEMSELVES are a vested interest.

  354. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:09 pm

    Some clever people may be good managers but many rich people have the benefit of inheritance.

    And, as we have seen from comments here, many rich people have no empathy, and would prefer to tread on those more unfortunate so they can keep every piece of silver they have gotten, through whatever means.

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:12 pm

    Dopey Dutton … subtle as a brick … thick as a brick … or both?

    In a chat on Sky News last night about the Greens’ proposal to get our refugee intake up to 50,000, Mr Dutton said: “They won’t be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English. These people would be taking Australian jobs, there’s no question about that. For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it, so there would be huge cost and there’s no sense in sugar-coating that, that’s the scenario.”

    To be clear: they’ll take all our jobs and also they won’t get jobs.

    Could he be genuinely oblivious to the fact that many asylum seekers are highly educated and qualified people fleeing their country for political reasons? That there is a long history of refugees contributing to Australia?

    Hell, down here in South Australia our Governor is a former refugee. But I guess if some Anglo Saxon wanted that gig, the Honourable Hieu Van Le nicked it from him.

    The only other explanation is that Mr Dutton is reaching out to Australians’ basest instincts; he’s deliberately feeding into red-neck mouth-breathing fears.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/rendezview/an-exercise-in-pig-ignorance-and-dogwhistling/news-story/39a953668dcd3c8129db924cff770066#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-topstories%7C5%7Clink%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1463537212487

  356. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:29 pm

    “I note you limit it to ‘ changes in thresholds over time’”

    Maybe that was because Druggie Duncan made his argument in terms of comparing thresholds.

    “That the leader of a grubmint who is making a lot of noises about tax rorts (but doing little) has been busted as a one of the rorters himself.”

    Really? How do you reach that conclusion.

  357. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:34 pm

    he’s deliberately feeding into red-neck mouth-breathing fears.

    It’s all they have left TB, And yes, it will feed into many people. But, at least Shorten is standing up against him.

  358. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:38 pm

    Maybe that was because Druggie Duncan made his argument in terms of comparing thresholds.

    Or maybe it was because you didn’t want to face the reality that, ‘over time’, the rich have benefited far greater than the poor with tax treatments. The fact that a person mentions one aspect does not negate all the other aspects. Except if, as I say, it doesn’t support your ‘argument’.

    And, if you had bothered to listen to Duncan, he DID mention other aspects, such as GST

    Cherry picking won’t help your argument, it’ll just make your hole deeper

    Really? How do you reach that conclusion.

    Since you mentioned the “Panama papers” yourself, I’d have thought that would have been obvious.

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:39 pm

    Wonder if Australia will follow suit ~(8-) … after all, we follow the USA around the world like puppies fighting their wars … and the iron is probably from here in the first place!

    The United States has slapped Chinese steelmakers with final import duties of 522 per cent on cold-rolled flat steel after finding that their products are being sold in the US market below cost and with unfair subsidies.

    The US Commerce Department said the duties effectively will increase more than five-fold the import prices on Chinese-made cold-rolled flat steel products, which totalled $US272.3 million ($A371.51 million) in 2015.

    Cold-rolled steel is primarily used in automotive body panels, appliances, shipping containers and construction.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/breaking-news/us-steep-duties-on-chinese-steel-imports/news-story/867fdbf9d11e2d1a21ea21f3e3baa66f

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:41 pm

    Since you mentioned the “Panama papers” yourself, I’d have thought that would have been obvious.

    Fair point, TR … sb, has certainly claimed to be “well read” …

    I still reckon TurnAbbott should live in the Cayman’s and invest in Australia …

  361. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:53 pm

    sb, has certainly claimed to be “well read” …

    Yea, it’s bizarre. He keeps carping on about about Unions and Bikies, even though turc exposed this as bullshit, and ignores a massive dump of tax rorters, including our own pm, and then wonders what all the fuss is about.

    Perhaps he meant well fed?

  362. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:55 pm

    “….and would prefer to tread on those more unfortunate so they can keep every piece of silver they have gotten, through whatever means.”

    And would prefer to tread on those more unfortunate DUE TO THEIR PATHETIC LIFE CHOICES so they can keep every piece of silver they have gotten VIA EDUCATION AND HARD WORK, .

    Fixed that up for you

  363. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 12:59 pm

    “And, if you had bothered to listen to Duncan, he DID mention other aspects, such as GST”

    I’m sure Duncan treats his body like a temple and only eats fresh food thus avoiding GST except on fuel and clothing.

    Surely large quantities of illegal drugs are GST free or does Duncan’s drug dealer have an ABN ?

  364. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 1:08 pm

    DUE TO THEIR PATHETIC LIFE CHOICES

    Yes, I’m sure Duncan chose to be born into poverty with a low iq and a father who molested him.

    You really are a brainless twat wally. … etal

  365. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 1:17 pm

    Oh so he didn’t choose to take drugs and it seems now you are OK with Duncan alleging bad behavior by his father yet you dismiss his son’s opinion of him.

    Fucking hypocrite

  366. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 1:35 pm

    So, you ignore that Duncan was born into poverty and with a low IQ

    Fucken imbecile

  367. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 1:58 pm

    It’s beyond me why more people don’t choose to be born to wealthy parents, like malcayman chose for his father to be a wealthy realty investor who bequeathed to him millions.

    Some people just make ‘poor life choices’ it seems 😯

  368. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 1:59 pm

    “So, you ignore that Duncan was born into poverty and with a low IQ”

    I know who the fucking gullible imbecile is.

    If Duncan has such a low IQ he certainly does not exhibit it in the statement that appears on the ABC website where they quote extensively from him.

    Let’s quote him for a moment……………..

    “Knowing this the right-wing press decided to write the stories they did without a care for me or my (now ex-partner’s) mental health. ………”As somebody who is training to learn to be a mental health advocate I ask, does News Corp have a mental health policy when it comes to dealing with people like me? Yes they do, they have thrown this out to show the world that power……….”Has News Corp broken the Mental Health Act by knowing I have issues, my partner has issues and still coming in boots and all? Isn’t there a duty of care instilled in the Mental Health Act?

    “These are questions for lawyers not me.”

    WOW……………..that’s pretty impressive coming from someone with a low IQ.

    Seems to me if there is a naive fucking imbecile around here you’ll get a glimpse of him looking back at you every time you look in a mirror …………..ROFLMAO

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-17/duncan-storrar-thanks-australia-for-support-after-qanda/7420918

  369. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2016 2:10 pm

    “sb, has certainly claimed to be “well read”

    Where have I made such a claim? Why the quotation marks?

    “Since you mentioned the “Panama papers” yourself, I’d have thought that would have been obvious.”

    How so? Please enlighten us on what crime Turncoat has committed here?

    Weren’t you the troll who argued the innocence of Thomson beyond all reason, even trying to deny that the judge found that that slimy grub Thomson did ion fact root whores. Perhaps you can find the judgment convicting Turncoat.

  370. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 2:15 pm

    that’s pretty impressive coming from someone with a low IQ.

    We’ll have to take the words of someone who is well fed red I guess?

    (of course, another possibility is somebody helped him write it, you know, being a “written statement” and all)

    But ignore the fact so many losers CHOOSE to be born into poverty, and CHOOSE to be born with low IQ’s

    They really only have themselves to blame, don’t they, mirror man

  371. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2016 2:42 pm

    Nick Cater has it aright:

    That a violent, drug-addled criminal should become an object for compassion is a measure of the moral confusion of today’s Left.

  372. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 2:51 pm

    violent, drug-addled criminal

    Why do heartless bastards need to speak of every transgression in the current tense?

  373. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 3:44 pm

    “………of course, another possibility is somebody helped him write it,……..”

    Really………you mean someone is now coaching him ROFLMA

    So they are not really his words then. Even though its his statement.

    It just gets funnier and funnier.

    Never knew a drug addicted ex criminal cnut could be so damn comedic

  374. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2016 3:52 pm

    The ghost-writer was probably the Unionland operative who planted him on Q&A in the first place. Douchebag Duncan should just take the $60k and move on. At least his dealer will be grateful.

  375. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2016 3:54 pm

    Why do heartless bastards need to speak of every transgression in the current tense?

    Heartless? That is statement is so leftie. Lefties have compassion and care about people while Liberal voters have no heart.

    It was that motive that caused Labor to abolish the Pacific Solution causing thousands of drownings and stopping poor refugees from UNHCR camps from having any chance of coming to Australia.

    Lefties are full of crap. They only care about themselves.

  376. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 4:17 pm

    you mean someone is now coaching him

    Why wouldn’t they? I mean, he is basically being forensically cross examined in a court of public opinion.

    So they are not really his words then.

    For someone who is supposed to be so well red, you have a bad habit of mangling the language don’t you.

    Douchebag Duncan should just take the $60k and move on.

    Duncan was quite happy to ask a simple question and move on, but the ruling elites (no, not anyone on more than $80k dopeys) just can’t seem to.

  377. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 4:25 pm

    “For someone who is supposed to be so well red, you have a bad habit of mangling the language don’t you.”

    Really ……………..”red” versus “read”

  378. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 4:30 pm

    If anything that cnut Duncan should not have complained about not getting the $6 tax cut. He shouild have showed his appreciation and thanked the net taxpayers subsidising his miserable fucking existence.

    I would prefer my tax cut go to net taxpayers over $65,000 p.a. and just not get one. Or towards Labor’s deficit.

    Anything but see that miserable cnut get any more $ to fill the pockets of his drug dealer.

    Fucking ungrateful cnut that he is.

  379. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 4:34 pm

    Really ……………..”red” versus “read”

    Yes, it looks like I’m gunna have ta put a sarc comment around everything from now on, dun’t it!

    He shouild have showed his appreciation and thanked the net taxpayers subsidising his miserable fucking existence.

    Don’t you mean he should have thanked his betters for paying him less so they can make more from his labour? Or that his tax dollars can now be used to supplement their health and their kids education?

    THOSE ‘net’ taxpayers?

  380. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2016 4:43 pm

    The leftie elites can’t seem to move on. This story would have died, but instead of admitting they made a mistake by adopting a violent, dumb, drug-fucked criminal as their poster boy and planting him on Q&A the lefties doubled down on stupid and kept arguing that poor violent thug Duncan is actually the victim here. And they moron mongrels of the left didn’t mean a victim of his own bad decisions.

    Instead of blaming society for every fucked-up failure, why not teach them the value of family values, thrift, hard work, honesty, sobriety, faithfulness, temperance and not threatening and beating people? That might actually help people like Dimbulb Duncan.

    Telling him that he is a poor victim of society and it is not his fault sentences him to permanent victim status. That of course is fine by ALP and Green types. In fact it is actually what they get off on. They need victims to give their miserable shrivelled souls some meaning in life. Then they feel virtuous because they can appear to care.

    But, of course, what they actually do is ensure perpetual victim status for an ever increasing number of ‘victims’. That is the end game of the ALP and the Greens – to reduce everybody to a life like that of poor degraded Duncan. Everybody except the New Class leftists who run the joint.

    It is just like the refugees – the left don’t care if they drown (“accidents happen” eh Sarah) just so long as the lefties feel good about themselves. What a pack of mongrel bastards they are!

  381. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2016 4:47 pm

    The Adina in Bondi is a fair place to stay.

  382. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 4:53 pm

    “It is just like the refugees – the left don’t care if they drown (“accidents happen” eh Sarah) just so long as the lefties feel good about themselves. What a pack of mongrel bastards they are!”

    Yep

    TomR exactly as described

  383. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2016 5:04 pm

    And they moron mongrels of the left didn’t mean a victim of his own bad decisions.

    Exactly!! Why aren’t the people that have overcome significant personal/family disadvantage the heroes and role models?

  384. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2016 5:10 pm

    Walrus, as is usual present company are excluded from my more venomous remarks. You know I have a deal of affection for the old Master Troll, Tom R.

    I was addressing a wider problem the hard left have – squaring their sanctified compassion with their murderous remedies.

  385. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2016 5:23 pm

    “Why aren’t the people that have overcome significant personal/family disadvantage the heroes and role models?”

    Lefties hate that lot. If everyone was like that lefties would be irrelevant. Hence Obama’s line: “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen”.

  386. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 5:28 pm

    “Exactly!! Why aren’t the people that have overcome significant personal/family disadvantage the heroes and role models?”

    Exactly !

    Instead we get the “Why do they get it ?……….,……….Why dont I get it ?” shit that spewed forth from Duncan’s fucked up head

  387. Another Role To Play permalink
    May 18, 2016 5:38 pm

    (Agreed, Nick’s aright; arguably to the extent that he has objectification completely arse-about; or, (pseudo-)resolving internal-external conflict(s) by (re/de)casting (self-and-other) people and (inter-)relations as (self-)evident(iary) token-labels, and (re)treating (im)measurably (in)to( a win)some (re)doubt’s fantasy projection’s contrived (im)morality play, is (n)either universally normative (n)or (auto-)hypnotically) (self-)serving well.)

  388. May 18, 2016 5:51 pm

    “”Why aren’t the people that have overcome significant personal/family disadvantage the heroes and role models?””

    I must’ve missed the bit where Duncan claimed to be a “hero” and/or “role model”…

  389. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 5:59 pm

    The leftie elites can’t seem to move on.

    Actually, if you were ‘well red (sarc)’ you might notice that it is actually the usual suspects who are now bringing Duncan up anytime the convo moves into inequality territory

    #justsaying 😉

    Telling him that he is a poor victim of society and it is not his fault

    LINK!

    the left don’t care if they drown

    So I am fair to say that you don’t care if they drown elsewhere, or set themselves alight under our watch because we treat them so badly?

    Walrus, as is usual present company are excluded from my more venomous remarks.

    You little funnel web you lol

    Why aren’t the people that have overcome significant personal/family disadvantage the heroes and role models?

    Who says they are not? This doesn’t mean that somebody who isn’t is simply disregarded.

    “Why do they get it ?……….,……….Why dont I get it ?”

    Good question. Got an answer?

  390. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 6:03 pm

    I must’ve missed the bit where Duncan claimed to be a “hero” and/or “role model”…

    The wannabe elites have left the plantation and are currently running with a variety of completely imagined scenarios, and funnily enough, happy clapping each other on the back as their stories get stranger and further from reality.

    And all because of one little question. It must have hit a nerve (well, a hip pocket anyway)

  391. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2016 6:17 pm

    “Got an answer?”

    Yep…………because he’s a drug addicted fuckwit who made bad choices and now lives by them. He’s responsible for his own present circumstances and he’s admitted as much.

  392. May 18, 2016 6:20 pm

    McAuley,,,,,pointed out that in the post-war years only Labor Treasurers, Paul Keating and Wayne Swan have won the prestigious Euromoney Finance Minister of the Year award. Peter Costello and Joe Hockey didn`t make it,,,,,

    http://johnmenadue.com/blog/?p=6381

    # ,, is it any wonder teabags, neither counting `to` eleventy, nor counting `on` eleventy has worked (-:

  393. May 18, 2016 6:26 pm

    In,,,,,world terms, Australia does not have a large government sector and Australian government revenue is modest in global terms,,,,,

    The,,,,,most successfully managed economies in the western world are the Nordics that have high taxation levels and high government spending,,,,,

    # ,, yet on both points, teabag-media merely regurgitates unquestioningly the politicians bullshit

  394. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2016 6:29 pm

    He’s responsible for his own present circumstances and he’s admitted as much.

    As I’ve pointed out, it is not ALL his fault. But that is neither here nor there. You are missing a point a well Red person may not.

    He said “WE”, not he 😉

    Unless, of course, if it is your contention that EVERYBODY on under $80 is a victim of their own self destruction?

  395. May 18, 2016 6:32 pm

    Turnbull,,,,,in mind. When Malcolm really had a business management job, the NBN, he failed badly,,,,,

    # ,, when talkbull couldn`t handle mere `management`, a half-decent media would be shredding talkbull on his `innovation` spouting, watch, they will never wake-up to this either

  396. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2016 6:57 pm

    Turnbull,,,,,in mind. When Malcolm really had a business management job, the NBN, he failed badly,,,,,

    Don’t agree. I don’t like Turnbull but the Coalition was handed this monstrosity, NBNCo to build the NBN. Contracts were signed and we have to go with building this thing. Turnbull made the decision that FTTP would bankrupt the country and never be finished. So he went with FTTN and using cables that have already been built.

    Lefties how about thinking about other people for a change rather than your fat stomachs?

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:17 pm

    Fuck that’s difficult to read … and pointless discussing … shrill comments always tell me one thing …

    Play the man … c’mon lads, play the man … fuck the ball* … this prick’s too good for us … put ’em all on the sideline … that’s the Private School Bully rugby team way! We’re always supposed to win … no matter what!

    Go The Barons!

    *question

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:21 pm

    I don’t like Turnbull but the Coalition was handed this monstrosity …

    WRONG … they took the NBN, gave it to MALfunction and the Liberal Ideology Team … and THEY turned it into the MONSTROSITY it is today …

    The LIBERAL party has destroyed Australia’s commercial capability in the 21st Century … just to satisfy a back to the 50’s mindset …

    I seriously doubt that TurnAbbott & Co know that you can actually buy colour TVs now …

  399. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:22 pm

    Fuck that’s difficult to read … and pointless discussing … shrill comments always tell me one thing …

    Are you talking about me?

  400. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:22 pm

    Lefties how about thinking about other people for a change rather than your fat stomachs?

    WTF does that mean … especially in the context of the NBN … more shrill babbling … tells you something, hey?

  401. May 18, 2016 7:23 pm

    “”Fuck that’s difficult to read … and pointless discussing …””

    Tip: I tend to just scroll past Nil’s comments.

  402. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:33 pm

    Tip: I tend to just scroll past Nil’s comments.

    I am still not sure he was talking about me. He said something was pointless discussing and then went to discuss something i said.

    So i am not sure TB was talking about me when he said this “Fuck that’s difficult to read … and pointless discussing … shrill comments always tell me one thing

  403. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 7:45 pm

    neel is right but wrong …

  404. May 18, 2016 7:48 pm

    Like I say, I just scroll on by..

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2016 8:06 pm

    I think I’m getting the hang of this Liberal Speak, sreb! After all these years … now I see the funny side … or not … maybe …

  406. Areas Under Curve permalink
    May 18, 2016 8:18 pm

    (The,,,,,most successfully managed economies in the western world are the Nordics that have high taxation levels and high government spending,,,,,

    A rising tide, a strong sense of communal wellbeing, a culture of distributional fairness approaching equality bi-directionally, genuine public-private partnership, and socially-and-economically-inspired fiscal coordination, really does lift all knorrs? It sounds perfectly horrid! How will managerialist capitalism, and transient CEOs earning hundreds of times the average new-record-low-wages-share-of-profits wage, ever get ahead of the greedy minimum-wage riff-raff dragging down full(er) civic, social, and economic participation(s)?)

  407. May 18, 2016 9:03 pm

    This Mocking-Jay knows that front-yard signs will never help the residents of District-4 understand teabag-speak, which is always fascism (scroll-up) couched in `reasonable` wording, but always a call for more Hunger Games.

    Tip #ditto

    And as the 2016 Hunger Games draw near, the citizens of District-2 should just forget about their matrimonial-equality wishes, the fascists (above) will be against you covertly too. The Capital and Capitol will continue to finance the fascists. Girl-On-Fire will continue to fight the good fight to no avail, `our` fascists will see to that too.

Go on say something, you'll feel better...

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