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Sorry not sorry

May 26, 2016

sorry_not_sorry

“An apology would be nice” is how Neil of Sydney finished one of his characteristic posts the other day in response to something Splatterbottom said.

To his credit SB responded with an apology of sorts, which some may have perceived as what’s commonly called “taking the piss.”

It’s a remarkable coincidence given today’s apology was asked for, and received on International “sorry” and notable for the simple fact that apologies are seldom forthcoming at The Gutter Trash.

So given that it all looks like we could use a bit of practice, today we take a bloody good hard look at what an apology is worth, why we demand it and whether or not it actually does any good.

According to experts, in order to really apologize, you have to:

  • Acknowledge that you did something wrong.
  • State exactly what it is that you did to cause the problem so that the recipient knows that you understand what you did.
  • Own and feel sorrow for the feelings you’ve hurt or the damage that you’ve done.
  • Want to make amends in any way that you can.
  • Expect nothing in return for your apology.
  • Work to make resolution for your wrong until the debt is satisfied.
  • Work as hard as you can to never make the same mistake again.

But where’s the fun in all of that?

The danger is that you could be seen as soft, or worse a Greens supporter.  No the real art of an apology is to clearly convey that it’s the other person’s fault and the fact that you’re being compelled to apologise is both an inconvenience, imposition on your busy time, and a disgusting slur on your otherwise impeccable character.

Here are some tips for apologising that you can practice at home:

“I’m sorry, but what the fuck is wrong with you?”
“I’m sorry I got angry with you, but, you know, you kind of deserved it.”
“I’m sooooooo soooorrrrryyyyy!”
“Excuse me for living!”
“Get over it.”
“Don’t make me hit ya (again).”
“Look what you made me do now.”
“Whatever.”
“I’m sorry you took it the wrong way.”
“I’m sorry you’re not smart enough to understand.”
“I’m sorry, but I really wish you could see my side.”
“I’m sorry you caught me doing that.”

 

Or you could write a poem.

Poems are nice.

 

 

 

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251 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2016 9:53 pm

    Sorry if I’ve ever caused offence to the imbeciles here

  2. May 26, 2016 10:01 pm

    I’d like a poem please.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2016 11:18 pm

    Sorry if I’ve ever caused offence to the imbeciles here

    What about the morons, idiots and cretins … 25% of an apology is no apology at all!

    And discriminatory!

  4. May 26, 2016 11:23 pm

    l `acknowledge` that l have on occasions mocked our teabags. l also `state exactly` that l should maybe show more tolerance of the teabag-cult and other cults generally. l have heart-felt `sorrow` for our teabags and their cult. To make `emends` to our teabags, and expecting nothing in `return` for this apology, my `resolution` is to no longer try and impart wisdom upon the thinking-impaired.

  5. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2016 7:19 am

    yomm, you can’t really apologise to yourself

    Even if you think you’re MILF

    (4reb)

  6. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2016 8:05 am

    Clives not sorry

    “I was their biggest donor, I certainly declared all my donations but there’s a whole heap of people that don’t.”

    Mr Palmer said two former party treasurers, including Michael Yabsley, resigned because they were not allowed to see the party’s accounts.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-26/clive-palmer-turns-liberal-wrecking-ball/7449858

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2016 8:51 am

    Rumours swirl in wake of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard’s split

    I heard that Amber named the dog as the co-respondent

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/why-johnny-depp-and-amber-heards-marriage-unraveled-so-quickly-20160526-gp4zhq.html#ixzz49nyHIy27

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2016 10:53 am

    I am truly sorry dear Kneel
    That you’re so full of self-righteous zeal
    Your comments are a treasury
    Of narcissistic self-pleasury
    Not sharp, more like cold semen congealed.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2016 11:17 am

    Right up your alley, wally …

    Advert! Speaking of … got to go to work …

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2016 12:47 pm

    I thought this was funny

  11. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2016 1:15 pm

    Rumours swirl in wake of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard’s split

    Did barnaby have a hand in helping them PAAAAAART! ?

  12. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2016 1:31 pm

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2016 2:35 pm

    The resignation merely highlights the stupidity of the original appointment.

  14. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2016 2:40 pm

    Well, she certainly got your goat up, which, alone, is enough, imo 😉

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2016 3:04 pm

    You leave my goat of this! She is very cute and not for the likes of you.

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2016 3:12 pm

    I’d like a poem please.

    I find it annoying that Patty from Perth isn’t mentioned in this article

    The worst poems by 7 great writers
    ————-
    William Wordsworth
    And to the left, three yards beyond,
    You see a little muddy pond
    Of water–never dry
    I measured it from side to side:
    ‘Twas four feet long, and three feet wide.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/the-worst-poems-by-7-great-writers/

  17. Well, Well, Well permalink
    May 27, 2016 3:19 pm

    (Nothing is impossible to those who see the invisible?)

  18. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2016 3:49 pm

    More hippy weirdness:

    Earlier this month, a professor at Santa Monica College led students in an ‘EcoSexual Sextravaganza’ in which participants ‘married the ocean.’

    Leaders of the event distributed rings to the students, announcing “with this ring, I bestow upon the sea the treasures of my mind heart and hands—as well as my body and soul. With the power vested in us, we now pronounce you ‘married to the sea.’

    Some students then made their way down to the water, where they were urged by event organizers to “consummate” the marriage and “make love with the water.”

    “Stick your toes in the water … or any part of your body that you want.”

  19. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2016 4:12 pm

    “More hippy weirdness:”

    They love the Kool Aid

  20. Prakticalities permalink
    May 27, 2016 5:38 pm

    (Poems are nice.

    True.)

  21. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2016 6:30 pm

    Anyone ready to say sorry to Duncan?

  22. Ready, Almost permalink
    May 27, 2016 7:08 pm

    Anyone ready to say sorry to Duncan?

    I’ll admit to being almost tempted at one point in time, but must have thought better of it…

    “Now that Duncan Storrar’s name has been associated with $60K in a trust account to be applied towards his daughters’ educations and unspecified charities* he could go out buy a car and consider this…………………………..if he’s really serious about working and bettering himself. But maybe the “Why dont I get it ?” attitude precludes such thought”

    See what you made the Hard Left do now; the Hefties had to defund and underfund inefficient and undignified drug and alcohol clinics, and mental health outreach services, and family violence refuges, and community legal services, and offendor rehabilitation programs, and public hospitals and community health care centres, and gp and pathology services, and public schools, and higher education institutions, and etcetera, and etcetera, and etcetera; but not roads, roads, roads, funneled through corporate mates, for poor people who don’t have cars or drive very far; or have any job or income security in these accelerating uber-un(der)employment times; so we could teach them the value of family values, thrift, hard work, honesty, sobriety, faithfulness, temperance and not threatening and beating people; because that’s how the Hard Left rolls: it wants to sentence people to permanent victim status, to casually victimize people permanently; whole families and entire socio-economic (under)classes if need be; especially those who simply may not be capable of doing more than they’re already doing, by dint of personal history, life circumstance, general or specific health, congenital or acquired disability, educational access and attainment, necessarily undertaking umpteen low-pay and lower-and-lower-paid jobs as a member of the working poor, struggling, successfully or not, to make a bare living, and/or available, relevant personal and/or community resources; and no amount of adjusting the absolute or relative tax burden(s), or tinkering with transfers, or progressively coordinating commonwealth receipts and expenditures could or should change any of that; other than that which has been, is being, and will continue to be done.

    …I guess I’ll have to revise that cursory assesment, to lend impetus to giving a Hefty haircut to former-First Bloke Tim’s patronising Men’s Sheds, and to add Father Bob’s wake-n-bake Foundation to the hit-list, now.)

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2016 7:50 pm

    Keep dem cards and letters comin’, M!

    Dem fkn Hefties gotta problem, bro!

  24. May 27, 2016 7:57 pm

    Non, Je ne regrette rien.

    .

  25. May 27, 2016 8:33 pm

  26. May 27, 2016 8:46 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2016 10:14 am

    Hohoho hahaha … eheheh … apologies, my sense of humour may be getting out of control!

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2016 11:35 am

    But, but, but…we like him because he sledges Barnaby Joyce… so he must be nice and worth retweeting… to make absolutely hilarious political points

    AMBER Heard has accused Johnny Depp of domestic violence.
    Heard arrived at a Los Angeles court overnight with a bruised face and with photos taken last weekend just after the alleged incident in which she claims Depp physically assaulted her with his iPhone.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/hook-ups-break-ups/amber-heard-filed-for-divorce-from-johnny-depp-after-beating-with-iphone/news-story/e0e80f356bd177bfa4ccaba5a7c8e62b

  29. May 29, 2016 10:58 am

    FMD, you`re deep-throating for bananasby now?? ,, And going teabumpkin?? ,, Don`t do it ,, Have `some` dignity.

  30. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2016 7:35 pm

    It takes a special kind of stupid to make a bloated, white privileged wife beater to look smart compared to you

    barnies a special kind of individual, that’s for sure.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2016 7:36 pm

    Shorten seems to be using numbers, he’s be more effective if he used dot points

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2016 7:37 pm

    “trust Labor”

    Dot points – that’s better Bill

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2016 5:39 am

    What debate? No wonder the country’s media goes feral whenever a member of the public asks a simple question on qanda [that they won’t answer]

    After watching that ridiculous format of a ‘debate’ where turnbull and shorten have a choreographed interview session for the top job, I am convinced there was no point to it at all. most boring and useless thing ever.

    They ought to be apologising for that waste of time.

  34. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 6:49 am

    They ought to be apologising for that waste of time.

    But instead, the media are telling us how dull and boring it was. Hello muppets, you lot organised it. You lot asked the questions. So, whose fault is it?

    Probably Bills 😉

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2016 8:22 am

    I wonder how the rules of that debate were devised.

    Why are the pollies so averse to anything that’s not tightly scripted and controlled?

    They need the informal town hall style debate where the public ask the questions (heaven forbid!)

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2016 9:20 am

    Sounds as if two episodes of The Strain was good choice … ~(;-)

  37. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 9:33 am

    I wonder how the rules of that debate were devised.

    By Lucy Turnbull?

    Why are the pollies so averse to anything that’s not tightly scripted and controlled?

    Actually, Shorten has attended literally dozens of Town Hall meetings, in addition to Street Meets, where he has not once been seen to run away from a question. My bet is he would have been itching for a debate with questions from the audience rather than the hollow claptrap the media serve up

    Of topic, bu I see hockey was actually living the ‘age pf entitlement” while preaching against it.

    He makes Slipper look like a choir boy

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/was-joe-hockey-taken-for-a-ride-the-taxi-driver-cabcharge-dockets-and-secret-investigation-20160529-gp6ki1.html

  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 9:46 am

    “Anyone ready to say sorry to Duncan?”

    Why apologise to a violent criminal druggie who has just come into $60k+. Since when does Mr White privilege need an apology? Another winner of the lottery of life, eh? Or the leftist lottery of Q&A at least.

  39. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 9:59 am

    Since when does Mr White privilege need an apology?

    Nobody said he needed one, I just wondered if anyone who spent their days slandering someone who asked a simple (unanswered) question would present with one.

    I see you remain as unapologetic as ever, ignorant perhaps of your own ignorance?

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 10:40 am

    Tom R, it was a stupid whining question with much appeal to victim pimps everywhere. The rest of the population saw right through the two-faced scrounger. Dunnycan, if you really where that concerned for your daughters your behaviour would have been rather different. Your decision to be a violent drug-fucked criminal affected those dependent on you. The only possible good you can do is to serve as an example to others about how not to live your life. At least your son got off the drugs you addicted him to.

    People need to understand that their actions have consequences and that they have choices to make. People who make the right choices should be praised and people who make really dumb choices (drugs, violence, crime, becoming a leftist) should be shamed and condemned.

    The problem for people like Drugcan is that leftists need more like him to justify their miserable existence. The ALP needs them as a pool of voters. Hence they don’t teach them the values they need to get beyond their situation – thrift, hard work, temperance, sexual morality, honesty and the like. Instead the message from the mongrel left is hate, spite and that their failure is all someone else’s fault. That is why leftists are a blight on society.

  41. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 10:49 am

    it was a stupid whining question

    That didn’t get an answer.

    people who make really dumb choices

    No need to bring hockey into this.

    Actually, I read that malcayman tried on the “poor little rich boy” routine last night. claiming his daddy was poor. I mean, he only left him with millions, whereas Duncan is leaving his children thousands (courtesy of “The rest of the population saw right through the two-faced scrounger”) 😉

    Hence they don’t teach them the values they need to get beyond their situation

    You mean like being born to a rich white family?

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 10:59 am

    thrift, hard work, temperance, sexual morality, honesty and the like

    Heavens! Some of that seems quite restrictive.

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2016 11:00 am

    Thing is, lefties aren’t miserable, they are happy & positive people.

    It’s the right who only see life as an existence of frugal greed, who look at what can’t be done and shouldn’t be done rather than why not be done. Heaven forbid they give someone a helping hand when they need it or just smile occasionally.
    The right is negative and myopic about humanity, they think everyone should live a pious, boring and miserable life just as they do. They are not happy until they’ve stopped everything that is good and decent in people.
    We must all be full of selfish grasping greed, envy and anger just like them!

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 11:03 am

    “That didn’t get an answer.

    We’ve already traversed this. If you are too dumb to understand I can’t help you further.

    “You mean like being born to a rich white family?”

    No. I said what I meant. I don’t need to know about your personal circumstances.

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 11:13 am

    “Thing is, lefties aren’t miserable, they are happy & positive people.”
    Lefties are hateful mongrels whose main game is the politics of envy and division. Identity group politics – stupid generalisations, bigotry and hatred. It is what they get off on. Their biggest fear is not enough victims.

    “Heaven forbid they give someone a helping hand when they need it or just smile occasionally.”

    You wouldn’t have a fucking clue! There are plenty of studies to show that conservatives are happier (and more generous with their charitable giving). Leftists only want to spend what they can thieve from others.

  46. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 11:40 am

    We’ve already traversed this.

    traversed is the correct term. So, what was the answer, and don’t give me this “he pays no ‘net’ tax crap, because, we ‘traversed’ that.

    And, I’m guessing the ‘study’ in your link goes to one of snactys favourite linkages, the famous 404 😉

    http://www.gospelpolitics.com/debunking-the-conservatives-give-more-to-charity-myth.html

  47. Tea's Gone Cold permalink
    May 30, 2016 11:55 am

    (Dunnycan, if you really where that concerned for your daughters your behaviour would have been rather different.

    Yeah, D, you should have chosen better for your daughters.

    Oh, wait, the actual economic question was even more pertinent to women in the workforce, and still goes unanswered, besides the usual backhander and the silent-treatment .

    Well done, contemporary economic girly-men of Treasury and Finance, for clarifying that!

    I guess the ‘rest of the population’ can know that all the Right-eous really have to offer is vile abuse, attempted shaming, crude condemnation, misguided braggadocio, and lop-sided accounts?)

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 12:05 pm

    Nah, lefties are just pissed that another ALP set-up on Q&A has come unstuck. At least we can have a chuckle that the real losers are the morons who gave $60k. Druggo’s dealer will be happy. Meanwhile, this is yet another example of public resources being stolen by politicised fuck-ups who have colonised a public asset.

  49. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 12:08 pm

    ALP set-up on Q&A

    You mean, someone asking a (still unanswered) question from a person of self claimed low intellect is an ALP set-up?

    Or is just that said person of self claimed low intellect made the libs and their spruikers look like prime class dolts?

  50. Walrus permalink
    May 30, 2016 12:31 pm

    “…………question from a person of self claimed low intellect is an ALP set-up?”

    You admitted yourself that his later public statement had been honed by someone else.

    How quickly and conveniently you forget these little facts.

  51. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 12:34 pm

    You admitted yourself that his later public statement had been honed by someone else.

    First off, it was a hypothesis.

    Secondly, what the caaarp does that have to do with your claim it was an ALP set-up?

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2016 12:55 pm

    You wouldn’t have a fucking clue! There are plenty of studies to show that conservatives are happier (and more generous with their charitable giving). Leftists only want to spend what they can thieve from others.

    Its like tories wear reversible sentences …

    Blanket statements are just that … blankets …

  53. Walrus permalink
    May 30, 2016 1:11 pm

    “Secondly, what the caaarp does that have to do with your claim it was an ALP set-up?”

    Because it was such a stupid fucking question coming from a welfare dependent drug addicted arsehole that it could only have come from someone with sympathies similar to you.

  54. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 1:16 pm

    So, it was a stupid fucking question.

    So someone as stupid as Duncan couldn’t have thought of it himself??

    And, if the question is so stupid, why won’t anyone answer it, instead of just spouting stupids?

    I think wallies lost the plot ………again 🙂

  55. Walrus permalink
    May 30, 2016 1:35 pm

    “why won’t anyone answer it”

    It has you just refuse to acknowledge that bracket creep must be addressed

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2016 1:41 pm

    “…fucking question coming from a welfare dependent drug addicted arsehole that it could only have come from someone with sympathies similar to you…”

    Which brings us back to RWNJ and judgmental attitudes. If you’re poor you have to be deserving poor ie squeaky clean before any common compassion be earned. Can’t be treated like a human being if you haven’t been pure and innocent.

  57. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 1:41 pm

    It has you just refuse to acknowledge that bracket creep must be addressed

    Why are just those on 80k subject to bracket creep?

    And, it really doesn’t need addressing, even the libs acknowledge that. We haven’t had any real wage growth for a few years now.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 2:09 pm

    ”If you’re poor you have to be deserving poor ie squeaky clean before any common compassion be earned. Can’t be treated like a human being if you haven’t been pure and innocent.

    Not quite.

    Why a drug addicted criminal (who also got his son addicted) deserves so much sympathy (and money) is beyond me.

    People are entitled to make bad decisions and screw up their lives, just don’t ask me to cough up more taxes for people that are likely to spend it on drugs.

    If there is some spare tax cash sloshing around, I can think of a few dozen more deserving causes that Duncan.

  59. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 2:31 pm

    who also got his son addicted

    Is that a fact, or did you read it in the lolstralian?

    I can think of a few dozen more deserving causes that Duncan.

    You mean like hockey?

    Interesting that there is so much outrage over a question there is no valid answer for, yet hockey making Slipper look like a model citizen ………. silence.

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 2:41 pm

    I think his son made the comment and I’ve not seen anything that refutes it.

    Handing over lots of taxpayer money to people like Duncan causes actual taxpayers to lose confidence in the system.

    I don’t look for particular ways to miinimise my taxes, but if there was a push to get me to pay more tax so that it could be handed over to Duncan and his mates, I’d be off to the best tax advisor around.

    There are dozens of genuinely deserving cases in front of Duncan and his drug affected mates.

  61. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:01 pm

    I think his son made the comment and I’ve not seen anything that refutes it.

    I think his son made a comment, and the lolstralian interpreted it that way

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:07 pm

    “Which brings us back to RWNJ and judgmental attitudes.”

    There is nothing particularly wrong about being judgmental (or discriminating for that matter). You seem to have judgmental attitudes about RWNJs (whoever it is that you slag off in that category).

    The whole reason we are not still living short brutish lives is that free markets have been allowed to flourish. That has enabled hundreds of millions of people to escape grinding poverty. Socialism has contributed little of any value to the process. It is an ideology leading to the destruction of wealth, not its creation.

    This is not an issue about the “deserving poor”. It is about teaching the culture and values that might help people in straightened circumstances better themselves. The problem is that leftists ratbags are more interested in social division and class warfare to do anything useful.

    What I don’t get about leftists is there utter refusal to learn from history. Whether it is the success of market economies as against the utter failure of socialist dungheaps, or whether it is looking at how disadvantaged people and groups overcame disadvantage.

    Take Jews, probably the group that has suffered the worst discrimination over the longest time in human history. They didn’t improve their lot through any welfare scheme or leftist equal opportunity plan. They got there through strong families, hard work, thrift, education and culture. You might also want to check out other groups who have improved their lot.

    If you want to see the difference degraded cultural values make, look at the lot of Pakistanis versus Indians in the UK. The main difference here is Islam. No surprise then that Indians have the lowest unemployment and Pakistanis the highest.

    Sadly, leftists want us all (except the Nomenklatura) to be Duncans. Otherwise they would not validate self-destructive behaviours and mock those who advocate personal responsibility. I’ll tell you this. I grew up in a poor suburb with a lot of social problems. I know that those who got the message about hard work, self-discipline and decent values are the ones that had better lives. The schools I went to had large migrant and aboriginal cohorts. There is absolutely nothing you can say that will detract from that experience. On the one hand I have cousins who were pregnant at 13 and 15 respectively. I have relatives and friends who have sunk down the slippery slope from dole to disability pension (usually diagnosed with depression). Their lives have been effectively over for years. On the other hand I have a sister who has been married to an aboriginal chap for 40 years. He set up his own business and never claimed a benefit or handout. And his kids (that would be my nieces and nephew) are well down the same track. He is a good conversationalist and he doesn’t have much time for your leftist.

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:10 pm

    Got any evidence for that – or is that another hypothesis?
    ============
    But in any event, there is a finite amount of cash the government has to spend, and this means priorities. Just about every old aged pensioner (for example) is probably a higher priority than Duncan.

    Coughing up more $$$$$$$$$$ for drug affected criminals is a low priority (in my opinion)

  64. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:33 pm

    The whole reason we are not still living short brutish lives is that free markets have been allowed to flourish.

    So, scientific advances don’t really count?

  65. Walrus permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:35 pm

    “We haven’t had any real wage growth for a few years now.”

    Unless you are part of the CFMEU gang and can just extort builders. But yeah I suppose if you are working for a mushroom company and still governed by an agreement entered into by Blib then yeah you either now have no job or you are on less pay

  66. Walrus permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:42 pm

    “I think his son made a comment, and the lolstralian interpreted it that way ”

    You really should seek out the facts rather than just continually bullshit your way through your life

    He was directly quoted………….

    Aztec Major,

    “He doesn’t deserve it,” …………. “He’s used drugs. He’s not the person he’s making himself out to be.”……………“I guess I wanted to get to know him but it was while I was living with him, he was using drugs, and I got addicted with him and that was the start of my downward ­spiral”.

    I’ve been clean since November 2014”………….“I’ve earned myself an apprenticeship as a spray painter in Geelong,” ……“I keep myself out of trouble. I came to the conclusion the best solution was to cut all the crap out of my life. I had to cut him out. I sort of see him as the kind of person I don’t want to be.”

    “To put it in my best words, it’s been eating away at me, all this money being donated to him, it’s ridiculous,” ……….“The public should know what kind of person he is. It’s good that people want to give money but they should give it to a good cause. I don’t need it. I’m working now. The Cancer Council would be my suggestion.”

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:45 pm

    “So, scientific advances don’t really count?”

    It is the market which means the improvement in knowledge is transferred into useful things which are disseminated in the most effective manner. Markets drive innovation.

  68. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:49 pm

    and I got addicted with him and that was the start of my downward ­spiral

    There is a difference between “with” and “by”.

    It’s also interesting that all of the sons problems are the fathers fault, but the fathers problems are his own creation.

    I wonder if there could be another factor at work here? [sarc]

  69. May 30, 2016 3:51 pm

    “”Your decision to be a violent drug-fucked criminal””

    I know. It’s such an attractive career choice isn’t it.

    My only surprise is that more people aren’t taking it up.

    Perhaps the barriers to entry are set a bit too high.

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:56 pm

    “I wonder if there could be another factor at work here?”

    Leftist “thought” [sarc].

    The law of cause and effect is not hard to work out.

    If you tell people that they are not responsible for their decisions and actions and ultimately their lives, then their lives will inevitably be more fucked-up than if they took responsibility. OTOH there will be more Labor voters, and that is why leftists want to create more victims. And it is why their policies are calculated to do so.

  71. May 30, 2016 3:58 pm

    “that is why leftists want to create more victims.”

    I see it now.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 3:58 pm

    Cough up more cash for drug affected criminals. Meanwhile leave old aged pensioners in poverty.

    Great priorites

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:08 pm

    “It’s such an attractive career choice isn’t it.”

    It is certainly a common enough career choice. I’ve done a few self-destructive things myself, but I’ve not thought that they were anything but my choice and my problem.

  74. Freemarket Opium Warez permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:10 pm

    People are entitled to make bad decisions and screw up their lives, just don’t ask me to cough up more taxes for people that are likely to spend it on drugs.

    That’s really your best macro-economic consideration of an announced Federal Budget measure (dis)affecting 100-20% or 100-30%, let’s average it at 100-25%, of the Australian population?

    Because that didn’t seem to be the crux of the macro-economic or the micro-economic discussion had on Q&A, whether that of Duncan in asking a question, or any of the panellists interracting with the question simpliciter and/or in combination with already-effected and/or further-proposed measures detailed in the Commonwealth’s Budget.

    If there is some spare tax cash sloshing around, I can think of a few dozen more deserving causes that Duncan.

    No doubt you can; but how will you ever get around to elaborating on them (before we all succumb to putting it off, as a matter of (in)urgent presented priority, for an older age), or (self-)testing them, or promoting them to an Australian (blogging) community eager for agile and innovative answers, to all and for all, while you’re apparently still so very, very, very busy distracting yourself, and almost distracting others, with the thought-terminating cliche of Duncan-the-intrinsically-undeserving-whatever (and even that explicit rehearsal of ingrained prejudice(s) remains controvertible on the grounds of social-liberal engagement with the question(s), and with the person(s), and with the citizen(s), and with the taxpayer(s), if one had actually been interested in the broader discussion, and mooted incidence(s) and utilities and loci of/for taxes and transfers, actually had on Q&A)?)

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:18 pm

    Cough up more cash for drug affected criminals. Meanwhile leave old aged pensioners in poverty.
    Great priorites

    They all deserve more. We are a wealthy country and can afford it, I don’t buy that argument at all.

    Yes, priorities really are the problem. We’d have plenty for all if we stopped funding the already wealthy. The same people have their hands in the lolly jar constantly, the wealthy are just as dependent on the govt lollies as much poorer pensioners and they take more than their share.

    Private schools, private health, private religion, private industry and that’s before we get started on NG and super/family trust perks.

    If you can’t afford all those very private costs outright then don’t expect to sponge off poorer taxpayers for your ‘aspirational’ lifestyle.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:21 pm

    The whole reason we are not still living short brutish lives is that free markets have been allowed to flourish. That has enabled hundreds of millions of people to escape grinding poverty. Socialism has contributed little of any value to the process. It is an ideology leading to the destruction of wealth, not its creation.

    No-one here will argue that.*

    We will argue that the greedy Uber Kapitalism model is now grinding all those millions of people BACK INTO poverty by the upsurge in Robber Barons … greedy arseholes that take from the poor … the King Johns and the Sheriff of Nottingham actually did exist and are back with us today! And you defend them instead of taking them to task.

    *Only that early in human history socialism worked very well … cavemen took care of the greedy …

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:30 pm

    Priorities – for every dollar you hand to a drug affected criminal, there’s a dollar less for old aged pensioners, or indigenous development programs, or schools in a low socio economic area, or to employ an extra nurse or to provide more affordable health care or to help set up a school in Java…

    There is a long way to go before drug affected criminals like Duncan and his mates get in front of those groups for a taxpayer funded handout.

    …and that’s regardless of how much you tighten the tax system. Tighten it all you like and I’d still say give more money to schools, or foreign aid etc. I don’t see drug affected criminals as being particularly deserving. It’s best to get the crowd funding brigade to cough up more and more.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:35 pm

    Take Jews, probably the group that has suffered the worst discrimination over the longest time in human history. They didn’t improve their lot through any welfare scheme or leftist equal opportunity plan.

    Not exactly … but they had quite a bit of help … and still do …

    On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a Partition Plan for Mandatory Palestine. This specified borders for new Arab and Jewish states and an area of Jerusalem which was to be administered by the UN under an international regime.[14][15] The end of the British Mandate for Palestine was set for midnight on 14 May 1948.

    Even the Jews need a leg up …

    He is a good conversationalist and he doesn’t have much time for your leftist.

    And that means?

    Statistically only 30% of the population is “upwardly mobile” … that doesn’t mean the remaining 70% are useless …

    Higher taxing … more economically level societies ie gap between rich and poor thrive over those with great disparity …

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:41 pm

    vitriolic rhetoric over nothing (a question on Q&A) is simply to distract from real issues …

    … will big business get away with avoiding tax and getting a pay rise …

    … or will education, health and home building flourish with the $50 billion giveaway being spent on people who, combined, will build a nation … not just suck the economy dry …

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:43 pm

    I’m not sure SB’s reference to Jews was about the past few decades TB. I think he was taking a longer view…

  81. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:46 pm

    Markets drive innovation.

    Perhaps, but, it doesn’t HAVE to be a free one.

    Do you remember a little thing called the “Space Race”

    it was a battle between ideologies, but science was what drove it.

  82. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:53 pm

    Cough up more cash for drug affected criminals. Meanwhile leave old aged pensioners in poverty.
    Great priorites

    Actually, if you have seen the “priorities”, Labor want more cash to tackle both, whereas the libs want to gut them and give the cash to already massively profitable corporations.

    See the priorities yomm?

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:58 pm

    The ALP want to cough up more for drug affected criminals?

    Every dollar to them is a dollar less for pensioners. Do you get that? It’s called arithmetic.

  84. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 5:07 pm

    The ALP want to cough up more for drug affected criminals?

    Rehabilitation is far better (and cheaper, for the cheapskates) in the long run, than simply locking them up.

    That has been shown time and again.

    Of course, dealing with it at the source is the best answer, ie, prevent the extreme poverty, and there will be less of that problem.

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2016 6:29 pm

    Socialism has contributed little of any value to the process. It is an ideology leading to the destruction of wealth, not its creation.

    Who says that obtaining wealth and material goods is the be all and end all of life? I’d rather see the destruction of wealth than the destruction of the globe and all the life it sustains. Capitalism is the problem not the solution.

    I don’t see drug affected criminals as being particularly deservingt’s best to get the crowd funding brigade to cough up more and more…

    Same for the wealthy, time they coughed up more and more of their own cash instead of being subsidised, lots of them are into the drugs too, but it’s all ok if they happen to be well off crack heads isn’t it?

    And there you go with the judgement again. I could say the same about the cost to the public purse from the twin addictions of alcohol and tobacco. You don’t mind the billions that get ploughed into those each and every year. Why should drugs be singled out as a particular evil, just because the righteous types prefer the other two poisons. It’s time to either legalise the drugs or criminalise the other two.

    …Even the Jews need a leg up

    And a hand out.

    Every dollar to them is a dollar less for pensioners. Do you get that? It’s called arithmetic.

    No, it’s not an either or situation. I could say that every dollar given to the NGers, the subsidies for wealth and legal tax havens via the taxpayer is a dollar less for pensioners and it would make just as much sense as what you’ve written.

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 6:41 pm

    No, it’s not an either or situation.

    Yes it is. Governments raise a finite amount of money. It needs to deploy the cash according to priorities. Even you agree with that (sometimes), because you are arguing that there should be more to government services and less to companies. That’s your view of priorities in the revenue/expenditure equation.

    My view is that people like Duncan are a LONG way down the list of priorities.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2016 7:07 pm

    “Rehabilitation is far better”

    What’s that got to do with Duncan? I recall he wanted a tax cut so that he could take is daughters to the pictures.

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2016 7:31 pm

    I think he was taking a longer view…

    You mean the centuries they were persecuted for the crucifixion death of Brian Jesus … how ironic that the “heart” of kristianity is in the centre of Rome … the real crims …

    Hypocrites all … but they all need a leg up …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What’s that got to do with Duncan?

    TR, could I suggest that you are being trolled … they don’t GAFF about Duncan … just stirring up shit because they have nothing else to peddle … as Shorten said to TurnAbbott …

    “I genuinely lead my party whereas your party genuinely leads you.”

    I just want someone to actually lead the country for the people … not for profit …

  89. May 30, 2016 11:30 pm

    teabag,,,,,My view is that people,,,,,are a LONG way down the list of priorities,,,,,

    ,,,,,Yes it is. Governments raise a finite amount of money. It needs to deploy the cash according to priorities. Even you agree with that (sometimes), because you are arguing that there should be more to government services and less to companies. That`s your view of priorities in the revenue/expenditure equation,,,,,

    ,,,,,My view is that people,,,,,are a LONG way down the list of priorities,,,,,

    # ,, so says the junior managers hand-book

  90. May 30, 2016 11:37 pm

    teabag,,,,,cough up more for drug affected criminals,,,,,

    ,,,,,Every dollar to them is a dollar less for pensioners. Do you get that?,,,,,

    # ,, Avoid minimal `prevention` spends at all costs!!!!!

    # ,, Better to jail`em at 100K-per-head/per-year

    ,,,,,It`s called arithmetic,,,,,

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2016 2:02 am

    You do realise that duncan has mental health issues don’t you? And that people with mental health problems use drugs and alcohol to alleviate their symptoms? and that they use them at a much higher rate than in the general community [50% of them – arithmetic!]

    You know that mental health is suffering from a severe lack of funding and services in this country? [more arithmetic]

    I thought you mustn’t know about that part of duncan’s history because you haven’t mentioned it once [my arithmetic]

    It’s called statistics, which is also…arithmetic.

  92. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 6:56 am

    Every dollar to them is a dollar less for pensioners. Do you get that? It’s called arithmetic.

    I can, and $50billion given to corporations would go a long way to deal with aged pensions and extreme poverty.

    they don’t GAFF about Duncan

    That is patently obvious. They can see the pendulum turning where those worst just might get treated a little better, and this just might be to their own detriment. Heaven forbid they have a little less to claim back each year, and the poorer have a little more to spend each year. We can’t have that, can we?

    You know that mental health is suffering from a severe lack of funding and services in this country?

    And watching malcayman running around the country telling everyone he’s doing all he can, with the nodding heads (ie, msm) nodding away for him, is just sickening. Can one of them call him on this bullshit?

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 9:13 am

    ”You know that mental health is suffering from a severe lack of funding and services in this country?

    Fine, provide additional funding for mental health, and I won’t object.

    But Duncan said he wanted more cash for his leisure, did he mention better funding and support for mental health?

  94. May 31, 2016 9:15 am

    It seems like some people around here are holding Duncan to a much higher account than they hold our MPs.

  95. May 31, 2016 9:17 am

    I mean, Duncan just asked a legitimate question on national television, it’s not like he’s the fkn Prime minister or something, FFS…🙄

  96. May 31, 2016 9:19 am

    “”But Duncan said he wanted more cash for his leisure””

    Actually, Duncan simply asked why rich people were getting a tax cut while low income earners were not…

    (But I see what you did there)…

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 9:25 am

    Yeah! If only there were more Duncans in parliament!

    ..they’d certainly put the Greens out of business when it comes to the dope smoking non achievers demographic.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 9:36 am

    “Actually, Duncan simply asked why rich people were getting a tax cut while low income earners were not…

    He said –

    “I’ve got a disability and a low education, that means I’ve spent my whole life working for minimum wage,”
    “You’re gonna lift the tax-free threshold for rich people. If you lift my tax-free threshold, that changes my life. That means that I get to say to my little girls, ‘Daddy’s not broke this weekend. We can go to the pictures.’
    “Rich people don’t even notice their tax-free threshold lift. Why don’t I get it? Why do they get it?”

    That sounds to me like he wants a tax cut, and as I understand it.. he works occasionally, gets a disability pension and studies (apparently).

    So I just want to know how much of a tax cut he would want.

  99. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2016 9:40 am

    .”.Yeah! If only there were more Duncans in parliament! ..they’d certainly put the Greens out of business when it comes to the dope smoking non achievers demographic.”

    TomR could be the campaign manager. He reckons he’s pretty good at selling mediocrity in all its various stages

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 9:48 am

    Yeah! If only there were more Duncans in parliament!

    FFS give it a rest … the story’s sucked dry ..

    I actually watched all of Q&A last night (I usually watch bits as I pass the TV) … what a bunch of fkn twits …

    …. Terry Butler was the biggest pain in the arse politician I’ve seen on TV in a long time … she even made Waffles Ciobo look intelligent …

    … someone has got into Lambie’s ear about nuculear (sic) power … and Germany’s power prices have skyrocketed since wind and solar power apparently (hard to believe with solar panels from one end of the Republic to the other!) …

    … Di Natale dealt well with Central Queensland job losses and renewable energy plants well (but was cringe-worthy arrogant) …

    Zylophone played the usual well rehearsed tunes …

    … and we got another how do I survive and get out my son out of the poverty rut question … just to keep ToM occupied for the remaining four weeks …

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 10:29 am

    So lets look at Dungheap.

    It takes a special someone to name his daughter after a variety of marijuana. Obviously Dunnycan is a mongrel of the first order. Except of course to ALP victim pimps to whom he is their ideal – a permanent “victim” and therefore a permanent ALP voter.

    And how much tax is he going to pay on his $60k+ windfall?

    If his combined income last year was $30,000, and the Go Fund Me page delivers him more than $46,000, he may have to start paying tax, or indeed child support for the two daughters he has with ex-partner Cindy-Lee

    The tax avoiding leech is paying nothing on the $60k+ he earned for his performance as an ALP stooge. It is a wonder he didn’t get an additional bonus looking at the gushing words of his scumbag Q&A handler:

    Q&A producer Amanda Collinge described him in a tweet as a “new national hero”

    Now for Dogfucker Duncan’s whine:

    “I’ve got a disability and a low education, that means I’ve spent my whole life working for minimum wage [I haven’t actually spent my whole life working. I’m also into collecting benefits, taking drugs and intimidating people.] You’re going to lift the tax-free threshold for rich people,” Mr Storrar directed to the panel.

    “If you lift my tax-free threshold, that changes my life [when I’m actually paying tax]. That means that I get to say to my little girls, ‘Daddy’s not broke this weekend, we can go to the pictures’ [of course there are other things I could have done if I really wanted to take the girls to the pics but that is what my scriptwriter told me to say].

    “Rich people don’t even notice their tax-free threshold lift. Why don’t I get it? Why do they get it? [Rich people fund my life and cover for me because I don’t pay child support. But I WANT MORE FROM THEM]”

    Transalation: “I’m a leech and I want more. You owe me. You already support me and pay my child support but I want more. In fact every time anyone else gets any benefit whatsoever I want more. It doesn’t matter that my tax-free threshold (when I actually pay tax) was increased previously. That is my good luck and if your threshold goes up then I want more from you. And don’t you worry about my dealer. This is all about my daughters.”

    Yet another Q&A set-up gone wrong. Of course Q&A’s leftist clients are covering for them. Everyone else knows the game: The ABC is just a billion dollar a year boondoggle to support leftist causes.

  102. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:04 am

    “the greedy Uber Kapitalism model is now grinding all those millions of people BACK INTO poverty by the upsurge in Robber Barons … greedy arseholes that take from the poor … the King Johns and the Sheriff of Nottingham actually did exist and are back with us today! And you defend them instead of taking them to task. “

    You’re a big boy now, TB. Time to shove your prejudices aside and apply reason, not fairy stories and nursery rhymes, to analysing the world.

    The real advances in raising people, hundreds of millions of people, out of poverty has come about by liberalising markets. China tried socialism and all they got was poverty, misery and death. Lots of death. At least 30 million murdered by socialism. Then they freed up the market, just a little. And guess – what hundreds of millions of Chinese people were lifted out of abject poverty. And as part of that process some people have become super-rich. Take Jack Ma for example – just imagine all that white privilege which enabled that robber-baron to win the lottery of life.

    And KL, fyi, the lifting of hundreds of millions of people out of poverty doesn’t happen without wealth creation. It is precisely the wealth that lifts them out of poverty. You may have your relatively comfortable middle class lifestyle. So generating the wealth necessary to lift millions of others out of poverty is something repugnant to you which is why you said:

    I’d rather see the destruction of wealth than the destruction of the globe and all the life it sustains. Capitalism is the problem not the solution.

    So yeah, Bob Brown can live in his idyllic country house with an open wood fire sending CO2 into the atmosphere and the poor of the world cane remain mired in misery. All that so leftist arsewipes can feel good about themselves in their trendy inner city enclaves. Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury:

  103. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:04 am

    But Duncan said he wanted more cash for his leisure,

    God forbid the serfs have LEISURE!!

    FFS give it a rest … the story’s sucked dry ..

    But, the story is bigger than one question that nobody can supply a reasonable answer to

    It’s also about priviliged white males shooting down anyone who dares raise their voice in reason, questioning “why?”

    And this campaign has already has a lot of it

    Paying a high price for embarrassing the government

    https://theconversation.com/paying-a-high-price-for-embarrassing-the-government-60190

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:06 am

    But, but what about Duncan’s white privilege? Or maybe it isn’t white privilege so much as choosing drugs, crime and violence over honesty, decency, thrift and hard work.

  105. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:23 am

    But, but what about Duncan’s white privilege?

    I don’t think you can compare ones ‘white privilige’ of being born into poverty with another whose father bequeaths him millions of dollars to ‘get started with’ without looking like a complete wanker

    And you didn’t.

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:23 am

    “God forbid the serfs have LEISURE!!

    I’m 100% happy for Duncan to have all the leisure he wants…

    Just don’t ask old aged pensioners to go without an increase, or indigenous people to go without a school/house/medical facility, or stop the government from helping to build an extra school in Java… just so that Duncan and his mates can somehow get his requested tax cut and take his kids to the movies!

    maybe he can figure out how to get some cash for that himself…or get the crowd funding brigade to kick in the movie tickets to Duncan and all his mates!

  107. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:28 am

    Just don’t ask old aged pensioners to go without an increase, or indigenous people to go without a school/house/medical facility, or stop the government from helping to build an extra school in Java

    Perhaps you can point to where that has been raised, somewhere other than your fevered imagination that is.

    The libs want to do all that, whilst still kicking the poor, all so they can DOLE out billions to their rich mates.

    As Duncan noted, a similar break to him means his weekends are not spent sitting around, idle, with all the dangers that ‘idle hands’ come with, OR, he can treat his kids to some small joy in their week.

    But you’re too stingey, preferring to maintain top shelf luxury living for yourself (at the behest of the taxpayer) whilst you watch his daughters wallow.

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:31 am

    “I don’t think you can compare ones ‘white privilige’ of being born into poverty with another whose father bequeaths him millions of dollars to ‘get started with’ without looking like a complete wanker”

    True that. Inherited wealth is a consequence of having rich parents, not being born white. But then again anyone who brandishes the term “white privilege” is, self-evidently, a loser in the lottery of life. At least so far as the allocation of intelligence goes.

  109. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:34 am

    Inherited wealth is a consequence of having rich parents

    Wow, he’s finally there. And, so do you recognise the accuracy of Nova Peris’s words when she said “Aboriginal people have no inherited wealth.”, and the point that she was making?

  110. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:34 am

    “……the story is bigger than one question that nobody can supply a reasonable answer to”

    Yet again it’s because you just refuse to acknowledge that bracket creep must be addressed as it has not been addressed for number of years now so dont bother us with your recent low wage growth crap. It extends back further than that

  111. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:36 am

    “Aboriginal people have no inherited wealth.”,

    How many “rich” parents do you think there are exactly ???????????????

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:38 am

    ”Perhaps you can point to where that has been raised, somewhere other than your fevered imagination that is.

    Of course I raised it. The point related to priorities. Give cash to Duncan and his mates, that’s less tax to spend on old aged pensions etc.

    Give cash to Duncan, and you’ll need to make some other saving, and I know the ALP will stop a company tax cut. But it still comes down to spending priorities.

    There’s a very, very, very long queue in front of Duncan and his criminal dope smoking mates for some taxpayer largesse.

  113. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:40 am

    Yet again it’s because you just refuse to acknowledge that bracket creep must be addressed

    Stop making shit up

    Bracket creep might be all the rage but the tax statistics tell a different story

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/mar/21/bracket-creep-might-be-all-the-rage-but-the-tax-statistics-tell-a-different-story

    Even matty agrees

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/bracket-creep-nothing-to-see-here-says-mathias-cormann-20160217-gmx1t7

  114. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:45 am

    and I know the ALP will stop a company tax cut

    So then what are your rabbitting on about? Nothing as usual

    But it still comes down to spending priorities.

    And as I said, Labor’s priorities are for the less fortunate, not most fortunate .. son.

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:47 am

    “Aboriginal people have no inherited wealth.”

    Guess what – neither did I. That makes them like most Australians. So fucking what?

    And “Aboriginal people” are now more equal than other Australians under the law. No wonder the Aboriginal population is going through the roof – just supply and demand I suppose.

  116. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:47 am

    How many “rich” parents do you think there are exactly ???????????????

    You mean, apart from me? 🙂

  117. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:50 am

    Guess what – neither did I.

    Were you born into abject poverty, or were from middle class, like most of us.

    No wonder the Aboriginal population is going through the roof

    So, you are feeling threatened by the invasion, are you? 😆

  118. May 31, 2016 11:58 am

    “”I don’t think you can compare ones ‘white privilige’ of being born into poverty with another whose father bequeaths him millions of dollars to ‘get started with’ without looking like a complete wanker
    And you didn’t.””

    😅😅😅

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 12:08 pm

    And as I said, Labor’s priorities are for the less fortunate”…

    Best not to confuse ‘drug taking criminals” with ” the less fortunate”

    I’d prefer to top up the benefits for the “less fortunate”

  120. May 31, 2016 12:12 pm

    Yes, it is puzzling the way in which “drug taking criminals” insist on pursuing that particular vocation when they have so many other opportunities available to them.

    They’ve really only got themselves to blame.

  121. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 12:22 pm

    They’ve really only got themselves to blame.

    True. If only there was something like a system that benefits the already rich more than it does the poor to share the blame with.

    I mean, if Duncan is worried about being poor, why the fuck doesn’t he just Negative Gear something? Or set up an account in the malCaymans?

  122. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2016 12:31 pm

    Matthias said this…………….

    “Bracket creep is a problem, bracket creep is a drag on growth and we would want to address it to the extent that we sensibly can,”

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 12:31 pm

    “Were you born into abject poverty, or were from middle class, like most of us.”

    So now you want to make a different argument? What happened to the last one? Oh that’s right it was stupid so you are having another crack with a different argument.

    Yes, it is puzzling the way in which “drug taking criminals” insist on pursuing that particular vocation when they have so many other opportunities available to them.

    It is just human nature. We all have choices to make.

    What exacerbates the situation is teaching people that they are victims rather than how to take responsibility for their lives. The victim-pimping nanny-staters are much happier with the learned helplessness of “victims” than teaching the skills and attitudes necessary to have ago.

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 12:36 pm

    I mean, if Duncan is worried about being poor, why the fuck doesn’t he just Negative Gear something? Or set up an account in the malCaymans take a long hard look at how he has fucked up his life with drugs and violence, how well he has been treated by a society which ahs supported him and his children and decide to clean up his act, give up the drugs and violence and make a go of it? Or he could get work as an ALP stooge, pocket $60k tax free and keep on whining.

  125. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 12:44 pm

    So now you want to make a different argument?

    Actually, no, it was always that one. Were confusing the Nova Peris with Duncan? Were you doing this on purpose?

    matty also said this

    “Obviously given what is happening in terms of comparatively lower wage inflation and what is happening in terms of of comparatively lower inflation right now, bracket creep, to the extent that is it a problem, and it is, it is slightly less of a problem than it was, that gives us a little bit of room to recalibrate in a more affordable fashion our ambition in this area.”

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/bracket-creep-nothing-to-see-here-says-mathias-cormann-20160217-gmx1t7#ixzz4ACJH0hiG
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    but, obviously, bracket creep isn’t a problem for below $80k. And, it’s even less of problem when you take grogs comments under advisement.

  126. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 1:05 pm

    “Actually, no, it was always that one. “

    Silly me. Here I was thinking you were talking about inherited wealth.

    “And, so do you recognise the accuracy of Nova Peris’s words when she said “Aboriginal people have no inherited wealth.”, and the point that she was making?”

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2016 1:42 pm

    And KL, fyi, the lifting of hundreds of millions of people out of poverty doesn’t happen without wealth creation. It is precisely the wealth that lifts them out of poverty. You may have your relatively comfortable middle class lifestyle. So generating the wealth necessary to lift millions of others out of poverty is something repugnant to you which is why you said:

    It’s the inequality of the wealth creation that is the problem. The poor are still poor, but there are a few who are mega wealthy. It has been shown that instead of increasing wealth to all, the trickle up neoliberal economic policies have created enormous disparities and inequality – you never acknowledge that.

    Now they want austerity measures imposed on the poor, why can’t they be lifted out of poverty by the very wealthy paying their share instead of salting their wealth away in tax havens, how does that help lift people out of poverty?

    You just parrot the zombie economics without any thought at all. A rising tide doesn’t float all boats, it just creates a few ocean going liners while everyone else is sitting in tinnies.

    It’s time to expose the myths of the neoliberal economic model
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/30/its-time-to-expose-the-myths-of-the-neo-liberal-economic-model

    ..It’s the same thinking that underpins the Treasury’s justification for the company tax cut: it will eventually improve productivity via increased foreign investment and thus real wages will go up (despite it having virtually no impact on employment growth).

    Productivity is a wonderful thing – increasing it improves all economic outlooks. The problem is over the past decade productivity growth has been falling and no one is really sure why…

    …The authors note that there actually scant proof that the standard policies of encouraging foreign investment and reducing deficits and debt levels has improved economic growth.

    They found that it’s tough to actually establish “the benefits in terms of increased growth” from these polices but that the costs from “increased inequality are prominent”. Even worse for those who desire economic growth above all else, they found that the “increased inequality in turn hurts the level and sustainability of growth.”

    The authors note that their study of economies found that “austerity policies not only generate substantial welfare costs due to supply-side channels, they also hurt demand – and thus worsen employment and unemployment”…

    Election 2016: The potential problem with the Turnbull government’s company tax claims
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-the-potential-problem-with-the-turnbull-governments-company-tax-claims-20160529-gp6ika.html#ixzz4ACWrxzQw

    …However, in Dr Murphy’s detailed report to Treasury, the scale of any new compliance by companies has been set at a high level: “… the reduction in profit shifting from the company tax cut reduces payments abroad by around $4 billion…” he wrote.

    Even if that return is achieved, and other economists said this cannot be assumed without further explanation from Treasury, Dr Murphy warned other taxes would need to increase anyway to cover the remaining shortfall of the company tax cut.
    These could include an, “increase in personal income tax through bracket creep; an increase in personal income tax through an income levy; and, a reduction in spending through government efficiency savings”.

    Neither Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull nor Mr Morrison have stated definitively where the money to pay for the company tax cuts would come from…

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2016 1:49 pm

    How very unoriginal.

    Bracket creep IS the government’s economic plan!

    Morrison (sort of) reveals the budget strategy: bracket creep
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/morrison-sort-of-reveals-the-budget-strategy-bracket-creep/news-story/a0d9fc60bd9547cf1eed3dceedc821be

    …The reason the unmentioned (and unmentionable) bracket creep is the key is that Australia has a structural budget deficit as well as a cyclical one, and bracket creep is the only element of the government’s plan that is structural. Growth and commodity prices are cyclical.

    The point of Moody’s two-page comment was to express doubt that spending cuts alone would “meaningfully advance the government’s aim of balanced finances” and that revenue increases would be needed as well.

    Well, that is exactly what the Government is planning — to increase revenue over the next four years. That is, the forward estimates in the budget will show revenue going up and the deficit coming down, although, as with all revenue forecasts, this may or may not actually happen. What matters in any budget is whether the revenue forecasts are credible, and thanks to bracket creep, they will be…

  129. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2016 1:55 pm

    “You just parrot the zombie economics without any thought at all. A rising tide doesn’t float all boats, it just creates a few ocean going liners while everyone else is sitting in tinnies.”

    OK………..explain the explosion of the low and middle classes of China then and our record inbound tourism and apartment sales.

  130. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 1:59 pm

    Silly me. Here I was thinking you were talking about inherited wealth.

    “Were confusing the Nova Peris with Duncan? Were you doing this on purpose?”

    explain the explosion of the low and middle classes of China then

    You mean, the one with Communist Party in charge?

  131. May 31, 2016 2:14 pm

    “”Productivity is a wonderful thing – increasing it improves all economic outlooks. The problem is over the past decade productivity growth has been falling and no one is really sure why…””

    Maybe we’ve reached peak capitalism?

    Yes there is s burgeoning middle class on China coz basically they now manufacture everything the western world buys, but cracks are already showing there..

    One reason, I suspect, that the Chinese are buying up property here, is to have a safety net and escape route should it all go pear shaped in China.

  132. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 2:16 pm

    peak capitalism

    How do you get things trending on twitter?

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 2:31 pm

    You’re a big boy now, TB. Time to shove your prejudices aside and apply reason, not fairy stories and nursery rhymes, to analysing the world.

    You’re a big boy now, sb. Time to shove your prejudices aside and apply reason, not fairy stories and nursery rhymes, to analysing the world.

    Fixed it for ya … now …

    Once upon a time …

    Socialism was around long before capitalism and the command system and it worked, small farms and villages traded resources and skills and generally got along … until a certain type of people wanted power and control over everyone else’s resources … and so began the cycle of war and famine paid for in blood and treasure by the same peasants who actually grew, made and lived off the very resources the ROBBER BARONS stole from … supported by none other than … you guessed it … the CATHOLIC CHURCH in Rome …

    … people became fed up with the feudal system controlled by the few that robbed the many … how to get rid of the Robber Barons … and … the church …

    … along came communism and with it … the command system … and that also worked until those same types of people also became greedy and started to suck resources out of that system rather than share those limited resources with the people …

    … in one particular case it collapsed dramatically – USSR – and became a manipulated democracy with a perpetual president and a twisted capitalist system manipulated by those same people who had manipulated the command system with a massive mafiosa underground and a nation that is slowly drinking itself to death on vodka … out of misery and frustration … almost back to square one … if only they could get rid of the ROBBER BARONS … and the – Russian Orthodox church …

    … democracy been manipulated for decades and capitalism is now failing as an economic system because those same types of people – yep the ROBBER BARONS – still manipulate and control the system that you so love … and BTW so do I … to suck resources out of the capitalist system for themselves … and destroy the very society that grows, creates, innovates, manufactures, maintains and nurtures them …

    … in the USA the “home” of modern capitalism – the nation is paranoid … and is in self destruct mode as I write … and the plague is spreading … across the Western World …

    … the villagers have finally had enough … the ROBBER BARONS are still stealing, still sending young men (and now women) to war, spending huge amounts of treasure on weapons and preparing for the next war, the churches still pay no taxes AND still influence The Robber Barons in their manipulation of the population …

    Fairy tales … what bullshit!

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    For the record (and distinction):

    Political systems: Democracy, socialist, communist, dictatorship, fascist, tribal

    Economic systems: Barter, trade, command, market (capitalist), hybrid,

    And let’s not forget the capitalist “joke” (only capitalists know where a little bull comes from) …

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:15 pm

    “It’s the inequality of the wealth creation that is the problem. “

    That is only a problem to envious avaricious fools (i.e. leftists). I don’t give a flying fuck that Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or Jack Ma is worth billions. There is nothing wrong with that per se. Would you rather Jack Ma was worth nothing and two hundred million people were still starving? Because that is where the jealousy of the cunt-headed left gets you. Hateful jealous fools who would rather see people starve than people prosper unequally.

    You can see what happens when the market is cut out and the State takes control of production. The essence of a market is that the person who comes up with the best solution profits and in some cases profits mightily. Socialism is a disastrous equality of poverty.

    “The poor are still poor, but there are a few who are mega wealthy.”

    That didn’t happen in China, did it? The poor aren’t still as poor. They are better off and a few people are infinitely better off. Under the previous socialist way there was an equality of misery. Socialism is like this: a genie grants a young man one wish. He muses “My brother has a large herd of beautiful goats.” The genie asks “Should I grant you also a herd of goats”. The young man says “No. I want you to kill my brothers goats.” That sort of seething hateful jealousy is the motivation of the left. Successful people are not examples to motivate people and to be imitated. They must be beaten and robbed because of their success.

    “You just parrot the zombie economics without any thought at all. A rising tide doesn’t float all boats, it just creates a few ocean going liners while everyone else is sitting in tinnies.”

    You just parrot leftist idiocy. Have you ever thought “How have people actually been lifted out of penury?” What works? Look at the countries that have improved the lot of their people? Here is a clue – socialism didn’t do it. Socialism has never produced the economic growth necessary to lift people out of poverty. Why are the dummies who wrote to Chavez inviting him to come here to teach us economics still lefties in good standing. Why? They’re as dumb as dogshit and dangerous to boot. And speaking of ocean liners, where do you think the US economy would be without Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Oracle and Facebook?

    Leftists sicken me.

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:17 pm

    From AO’s link

    The median debt to GDP ratio of the 13 AAA rated countries is just above 40 per cent. Ausralia’s is currently 36 per cent according to Moody’s estimate, having risen from 10 per cent in 2008, while the median has been more or less flat.

    So, poor effort by Australia, and if it keeps rising at this rate it will be 38 per cent in 2018 — still below the median, mind you — and become a “credit negative” by 2021.

    Will we actually lose the AAA credit rating? Only if the government has a rush of blood and actually does something about bracket creep and cuts income taxes.

    Fact is we are doomed. What people forget about comparing our debt with other nations is that ours is mainly foreign. Japan has a huge debt but it is mainly domestic. Big difference.

  136. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:22 pm

    Leftists sicken me.

    Have you tried antibiotics? Or a pill?

  137. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:29 pm

    TB, I’d love to argue with you but I can’t make any sense of your rambling comment.

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:29 pm

    A generation ago the debt of Greece is where we are now. They elected Andreas Papandreou and PASOK who went on a spending binge – because the debt was manageable

    Papandreou was an economics professor at several US universities.

  139. May 31, 2016 3:30 pm

    ” cunt-headed left ”

    There’s an expression you don’t hear everyday.

  140. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:37 pm

    There’s an expression you don’t hear everyday

    You’re spending too much time on that lefty twiiter. You need to spend more time back here reb 😉

  141. May 31, 2016 3:38 pm

    “Leftists sicken me.”

    Interestingly enough, a number of my vomit inducing leftist mates are highly successful individuals in their own right. You would probably know a couple of them if I were to be so gauche as to name drop.

    In saying that I wonder how they sleep at night being both independently wealthy AND left leaning politically.

  142. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:39 pm

    “You mean, the one with Communist Party in charge?”

    Displaying your ignorance in relation to how capitalism works in China.You obviously have never been near there or Vietnam.

    Of course how do you explain India then ?

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:46 pm

    TB, I’d love to argue with you but I can’t make any sense of your rambling comment.

    MY rambling comment … GUFFAW!

    A generation ago the debt of Greece is where we are now.

    What cock … link?

    Greece, China, Vietnam, India, Venezuela the list goes on …

    We live in fucking Australia!

    In saying that I wonder how they sleep at night being both independently wealthy AND left leaning politically.

    Soundly, I would guess!

  144. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:51 pm

    Displaying your ignorance in relation to how capitalism works in China.

    Or your ignorance of how it doesn’t.

    You can’t have it both ways. I understand that China is a very capitalist country, but they are still controlled by communists, which gives them an almighty advantage over countries like America.

    They are a unique blend, which might indicate to you, especially as you are the one spouting their “success”, that flat out capitalism might not be all it is cracked up to be.

    Most things work best with the best aspects of each chosen.

    eg my preference is a blend of Socialism and capitalism.

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:59 pm

    ‘What cock … link?

    As usual TB displays his ignorance and prejudice. It’s all here TB.

    Your apology is on its way, no doubt.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/government-debt-to-gdp

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 4:01 pm

    I’m sure that you’ll be able to figure out that you have to choose the “max” tab to see the debt level of about 30 years ago.

  147. May 31, 2016 4:16 pm

    “Your apology is on its way, no doubt.”

    Please note that anything less than a poem will be considered unacceptable.

  148. Ambit Claims permalink
    May 31, 2016 4:21 pm

    (I see it now.

    I don’t. Maybe I need spectacles.)

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 4:22 pm

    Yes. A poem would be appropriate.

    (How I miss Patricia from Perth with her poems… and Catching Up with her ability to make TB seem young and coherent)

  150. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2016 4:26 pm

    “Or your ignorance of how it doesn’t.”

    India ??????????????????

    Or doesn’t trickle down apply there either

  151. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2016 4:33 pm

    “Australia’s 1.8 million lowest-paid workers will be awarded a minimum wage rise of 2.4 per cent – an extra $15.80 a week.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/fair-work-commission-rules-australias-lowestpaid-workers-to-receive-1580-a-week-minimum-wage-rise-20160531-gp84tp.html

    Looks like that Deadbeat Drug Addicted Arsehole Duncan can finally…………

    a) Take his kids to the movies every weekend

    or

    b) Buy a couple of extra pills per week from his dealer

    or

    c) Cut down on his shifts since he’s so overworked

  152. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 4:36 pm

    “In saying that I wonder how they sleep at night being both independently wealthy AND left leaning politically.”

    Despite all the hyper-ventilation, leftism is a disease of the ego. Wealthy and successful people crave social acceptance and love disporting their exquisite consciences at trendy soirees as much as the next tosser.

  153. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 4:51 pm

    “There’s an expression you don’t hear everyday.”

    They should get together with dickheaded RWNJs and have a rollicking good time bonking each others’ brains out.

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2016 4:55 pm

    A generation ago the debt of Greece is where we are now.

    Remember when the lefties said our debt is low compared to everyone else? Well it is not low anymore. Blind Freddy could see what was going to happen except for leftists.

  155. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 5:11 pm

    India ??????????????????

    Read the line just before my comment and you just might get a reference of what I was referring to.

    Duncan can finally

    Except, if you’d been following, he is now almost unemployable thanks to a prolonged character assassination by the right wing media.

    Nice job lads.

  156. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2016 5:26 pm

    Then Duncan needs to cash in on election season. He’s done quite well so far as an ALP stooge!

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 5:46 pm

    ToM …

    Could I suggest you look at a comparison … try this list … and compare Greece to Australia … Debt to GDP …

    Unless you’re guessing what it would be under the big spending Liberals $100 billion added in less than three years … if they fall over the line …

    My sense of humour is soaring right now!

    Apologies welcome here too …

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 6:39 pm

    Are you just being deliberately evasive TB?

    A generation ago Greece had debt to GDP of about 35%.

    Thwy chose not to deal with it and kept spending. We have the same choice

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2016 6:59 pm

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 7:05 pm

    Thwy chose not to deal with it and kept spending. We have the same choice

    Spending where? Is the question … spending on big business or spending on the real tax payers …

    You pay more tax than anyone … so you say … so you stand to gain more from the Liberals giveaways … than anyone else … obviously you agree that government should spend on you.

    The Greeks didn’t pay tax … and the government invested poorly (as Goldman Sachs – ring a bell?) … I was there in 2010 and talked to Greeks on the street … they had, had enough of trickle down bullshit!

    This government wants to give money away to big businesses who don’t pay tax NOW!

    defend that at your peril …

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 7:10 pm

    Maybe you should take a leaf out of Warren Buffet’s life, ToM … surely a hero of tory contributors here …

    “Now Buffett has added to his list of atypical pronouncements by saying that America’s super-rich should pay more tax if the country’s debt problems are ever to be solved.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/aug/15/warren-buffett-higher-taxes-super-rich

    Or maybe he knows it won’t happen?

  162. May 31, 2016 7:12 pm

    Socio-economic ‘status’ certainly has an influence upon the ‘flavour’ of commentary here.

  163. May 31, 2016 7:17 pm

    At least we don’t have to vote for, or against, Trump here?

    I’d like some ‘conservative’ opinions, honest ones, about the ‘Trump Scendancy’?
    I tend to believe Australian ‘conservatives’ can probably recognise the shit & bluster of Trump?

    I get the whole political disenfranchisement thang…fair enough, politicians of all sides have a fucking lend! But TRUMP?! seriously.

    Analyse what the fuckwit says.

    LCD realpolitik at its most base.

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2016 7:28 pm

    This government wants to give money away to big businesses who don’t pay tax NOW!

    Like Toyota, Ford, GMH?

    I am not up on the Coalition tax policy but i guess they hope business will employ more people if they get some tax relief. I don’t believe they are out to help their big business mates. And traditionally the Coalition supports small business not big business.

    And only a fool would ignore our govt debt problems. In 2007 Federal govt debt was zero. Now it is who knows what and increasing rapidly. We will lose our AAA rating after the next election so it will be a good election to lose.

  165. May 31, 2016 7:39 pm

    ” I don’t believe they are out to help their big business mates. And traditionally the Coalition supports small business not big business.”

    Utter, utter, utter shit!

    Buttressed by this nonsensical disclaimer…”I am not up on the Coalition tax policy ”

    Yay, for partisan arsehattery!

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 7:39 pm

    I am not up on the Coalition tax policy …

    Your’e not “up” with anything, neel so STFU!

    Hope is NOT leadership! Its fkn hope …

    And traditionally the Coalition supports small business not big business.

    More fkn BS!

    In 2007 Federal govt debt was zero. GFC you fucking fool! And Howard Costello spending more on votes that any Australian government in history!

    We will lose our AAA rating after the next election so it will be a good election to lose.

    We will if we give taxpayers’ money to the tax avoiders!

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 7:40 pm

    Yay! toylet!

  168. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2016 8:20 pm

    Utter, utter, utter shit!

    Traditionally the Coalition is a small business supporter because they employ the most people. The tax cuts will initially favor small business.

    GFC you fucking fool!

    I have heard of the GFC but it is over. Although it does look like world conditions are still shacky. Why has not the budget returned to surplus and unemployment dropped back to 4.3%

    And Howard Costello spending more on votes that any Australian government in history!

    Really? I think that is wishful thinking. H/C were running $20B surplus budgets. Swan was running $40B deficits. Who was spending more?

    WE have a spending problem not a revenue problem. Nobody wants to cut spending.

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 8:22 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/beauty/face-body/is-pawpaw-ointment-the-new-baby-formula/news-story/674303be837d21075fc5acd30ea66a21

    Do we really need a free trade with everyone … or should we just trust the market economy that actually works …

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 8:28 pm

    Australia does have a spending problem alright … just one more example!

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/politicians-not-only-get-paid-to-come-to-work-they-get-paid-to-live-somewhere-and-to-have-dinner/news-story/27e1f78d5b1164fd31e32ba3a3991566

    … the villagers have finally had enough …

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy manipulated by the rich!

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 8:32 pm

    Up to two logos now … wait for the ten logos and TurnAbbott has really turned into The Mad Abbott …

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/31/election-2016-malcolm-turnbull-accuses-labor-of-declaring-a-war-on-business#img-1

  172. May 31, 2016 8:32 pm

    “I tend to believe Australian ‘conservatives’ can probably recognise the shit & bluster of Trump?”

    Trump is an example of the cult of celebrity, and is taking advantage of the disillusionment with the Washington beltway.

    If you ask me, he will beat Hillary.*

    *Mind you, any predictions are worthless, even mine.

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 8:54 pm

    Disgusting!

    FWC president Iain Ross said Australia’s low inflation and robust economy should be used to give the lowest paid workers an extra $15.80 a week from July 1 to $672.70.

    Annual income: $38,980!

  174. May 31, 2016 9:03 pm

    “If you ask me, he will beat Hillary.”

    And, just say that were to happen, do you think that that would be a net positive for the USA?…much less the rest of its allies?

    I’m not sure that he would beat Hillary (did I mention, I hate political dynasties?)…for some reason I keep expecting the US voting public to wake up, rather than fall deeper in thrall. Still, I never would’ve entertained the idea that Trump would’ve even been a serious choice six months ago (symptomatic of the political malaise, imo). The Republicans are lying in the bed they made for themselves; I doubt Trump was their intention.

    Impossible to outright discount the possibility now.

    Even Bolt is doing some (credibility eroding) revisionism, as he subtly repositions his ducks behind a Trump Presidency (after his better instincts called bullshit on Trump long ago).

    Definitely an example of The Cult of Celebrity. The worst reason to make someone a leader; entwined with The Cult of Ego Self-worship. Fuck Trump, and the increasing hordes who venerate him.

  175. May 31, 2016 9:20 pm

    I think Trump will mobilise previously uninterested citizens to get off the couch and vote. And if the American public actually elects him, isn’t that an example of democracy at work? (I’ve spoken of my reservations about democracy e.g, the tyranny of the majority.) Besides all that, the President is only one (of three) branches of the US government.

  176. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2016 10:23 pm

    I’d like some ‘conservative’ opinions, honest ones, about the ‘Trump Scendancy’?

    Trump is not a career politician so that is good. He has lots of real world experience. He also is not a Bush or a Clinton so that is also good.

    Other than that i don’t know much about him.

  177. May 31, 2016 11:13 pm

    ” And if the American public actually elects him, isn’t that an example of democracy at work?”

    Yes, just like when Hamas get democratically elected…and we all know how accepting the Great Bastion of Western Democracy is with regard to that result!

    If Trump does get the throne, I think he’ll see the Republicans politically disembowelled for years to come.
    He can’t possibly follow through with the deluge of populist shit he’s promising the politically ignorant.

    Still, he’s really only mobilising a certain (admittedly large…and growing) demographic enamoured with his belligerent nonsense. It remains to be seen just how much of the population he ‘represents’.
    The counter-mobilisation, those who recognise the unworkable (even dangerous) nature of Trump as POTUS, may be similarly large.

  178. June 1, 2016 2:39 am

    dunny, from day-one, both the repug-teabags and demoCats shot themselves in the head using `joke` candidates.

    The repug`s ran the-ronald hoping it would attract new/1st-time/young voters, which backfired, as punters put 16-establishment teabags in the trash in favor of the-ronald.

    The demoCats drafted dear-old `independent` bernie to offer a `fake` choice against hillary, but also included a `poison-pill` to help their team suicide, by NOT allowing bernies `registered-independents` into the pre-selections (meaning bernie probably keeps 100% of their support) while we watch the `registered-demoCats` numbers be carved-up between hillary and bernie.

    Of course to independents, young, new, anti-establishment and even some demoCats, the pre-selections look (and-are) pre-ordained for hillary and a `stacked-deck` against bernie.

    The difference is, with the repugs, they will do what teabags do best, and quickly get behind the-ronald and mindlessly-chant the teabag-lines (and as we `all` know, with no doubt, mindless chanting teabags chanting mindlessly `is` what they do best).

    With the demoCats, hillary will get the nomination, bernies demoCats will `stay-home`, bernies `independents` more will go to the-ronald than hillary and even more `stay-home`.

    (there has been some great stats on planet-america on my abc and meet-teh-press)

    #women dislike hillary almost as much as they dislike the-ronald

    #young and first-time voters are mainly in the-ronald and bernie `camps`

    #ronald v hillary = the-ronald is always `well-ahead`

    #ronald v bernie = too close to call

    (tho of course stats can and will change)

    # ,, l still think the-ronald will end-up winning(prez) dunny

  179. Never A Dull Moment permalink
    June 1, 2016 8:53 am

    (Socio-economic ‘status’ certainly has an influence upon the ‘flavour’ of commentary here.

    It’s almost like a potluck, sometimes.

    Analyse what the fuckwit says.

    As to the POTUSA, who knows; a little dune buggy could quite conceivably become a monster truck, in due course; if it hasn’t already.)

  180. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 9:12 am

    “………..he is now almost unemployable thanks to a prolonged character assassination by the right wing media.”

    He is now almost unemployable thanks to a prolonged career of criminality and drug taking.

    Fixed it !

  181. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 9:14 am

    “This government wants to give money away to big businesses who don’t pay tax NOW!”

    Usual crap……………….if you dont pay tax as you claim……..how the fuck can you benefit from a tax cut ?

  182. June 1, 2016 9:30 pm

    “It’s important to understand that 90% of all addictions begin in the teen and young adult years, a time when most people – especially in the middle class – are in school. “

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/01/drug-addiction-income-inequality-impacts-recovery

    Just fkn sayin’

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 8:56 am

    reb, that article seemed like an exercise in telling the Guardian audience precisely what it wanted to hear. Some of it seemed reasonable and some counterintuitive to say the least. There was no attempt to differentiate correlation and causation.

    Legalising drugs will make it much easier for schoolkids to score and send a message to them that it isn’t wrong to take drugs. On the other hand that will create more work for victim pimps and more ALP voters. Hence the “solutions” proposed in the article.

    If there is any genuine concern about unemployment then the minimum wage should be abolished or much reduced. There is a strong correlation between high minimum wages and unemployment.

    The decisions to start or stop taking drugs are ultimately individual choices. Teaching people decent values (honesty, hard work, thrift, temperance good manners) is something the left will never advocate, especially when it can blame the system and while demanding to be put in control of it.

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 9:14 am

    What a fuckwit that David Morrison guy is! In the interests of truth in labelling the term Australian of the Year should be redesignated Wanker of the Year.

  185. June 2, 2016 9:26 am

    ,,,,counterintuitive to say the least.,,,no attempt to differentiate correlation and causation,,,,

    # ,, Portugal

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 9:45 am

    Speaking of monumental hypocrites “Despite Being in the Top 5% of Earners, Bernie Sanders Pays Half the Taxes of the Average Citizen“.

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2016 11:04 am

    Johnny Depp has long history of abusing Amber Heard: source

    But let’s not worry about that, because he is sooooo entertaining – the way he sledges Barnaby Joyce!

    Go Johnny!!

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/hook-ups-break-ups/johnny-depp-has-long-history-of-abusing-amber-heard-source/news-story/3d8e3fecfcaca6c02655632ae881d504

  188. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 11:38 am

    From ToM’s link

    “The shocking claims come as Heard’s dire financial situation was revealed, with court papers showing the actress spends much more than she earns”

    Put it on the Spendometer !

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 2, 2016 12:05 pm

    Long history of abuse?

    http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depps-ex-vanessa-paradis-defends-actor-from-outrageous-domestic-abuse-allegations-report/

    …Johnny Depp‘s ex partner, Vanessa Paradis, has reportedly written a letter defending the “Alice Through the Looking Glass” star from Amber Heard‘s recent domestic abuse allegations.
    “He is a sensitive, loving and loved person, and I believe with all my heart that these recent allegations being made are outrageous,” Pardis allegedly said in a handwritten letter obtained by TMZ.

    “In all these years I have known Johnny he has never been physically abusive with me and this looks nothing like the man I lived with for 14 wonderful years,” the letter continues.
    In it, Paradis defends Depp’s character, refuting abuse allegations brought by Depp’s estranged wife Amber Heard, Paradis reportedly called the actor “a sensitive, loving and loved person” in the letter.

    Depp’s first wife, Lori Anne Allison, also spoke up on behalf of the actor, TMZ reported. She called him a “soft person,” saying he never once got physically abusive during their marriage from 1983 to 1985…

    [letter]
    “To whom it may concern,
    Johnny Depp is the father of my two children, he is a sensitive, loving and loved person, and I believe with all my heart that these recent allegations being made are outrageous, in all the years I have known Johnny, he has never been physically abusive with me and this looks nothing like the man I lived with for 14 wonderful years.
    Sincerely,
    Vanessa Paradis
    May 27th 2016
    Los Angeles”

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2016 12:22 pm

    That’s fine. Someone who wants to keep a stready stream of cash provides a favourable reference.

    That means the violence just didn’t happen!

    We love Johnny beccause he sledges Barnaby! Anyone that does that can’t be a wife beater!

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 2, 2016 12:34 pm

    Don’t worry about your bigotry tomM, you would have no idea of any of their motivations, do you know them all personally?

    If Depp has done it, he deserves all condemnation, but since when has DV been political? Only when a right wing barracker wants to turn it into a point scoring game.

  192. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 12:49 pm

    Yeah ToM………………..afterall didn’t you realise

    ‘It’s not wise to marry a bisexual’ says showbiz commentator Peter Ford’s

    So it’s Amber’s fault

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/dl-people/dl-entertainment/its-not-wise-to-marry-a-bisexual-peter-fords-take-on-johnny-depp-and-amber-heard-may-be-the-worst-yet-20160530-gp6wxa.html

  193. Deppgate permalink
    June 2, 2016 1:12 pm

    (Say it ain’t so; there’s no recurrent pattern of trial-by-tabloid-media-peers routinely displacing the courteous rigours of due process and diligent deliberation discernible among the righteous on a rampage!)

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 1:18 pm

    If there is any genuine concern about unemployment then the minimum wage should be abolished or much reduced. There is a strong correlation between high minimum wages and unemployment.

    Duh?

    Teaching people decent values (honesty, hard work, thrift, temperance good manners) is something the left will never advocate, especially when it can blame the system and while demanding to be put in control of it.

    Duh? Duh?

    LOL! Yer having a lend … a leftie problem! temperance? Good manners?

    GUFFAW!

    Stirred but not shaken!

  195. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 2:29 pm

    The leftie problem is that they don’t teach people virtues which may help them in life. Instead they teach primary school kids that a reasonable life choice is major surgery and a lifetime of drugs and hormones to turn them into something they are not.

    They want to implement an anti-bullying program which the Marxist hired to devise the program gloats was not about bullying but more about changing society and forwarding her sick sexual agenda.

    Truly, by the time the leftists are through there will be no dog left unfucked in the entire country!

  196. June 2, 2016 2:31 pm

    General David Linguacopper’s Style Guide:

    Using the term ‘guys‘ to address a group could offend those who do not self-identify as ‘guys‘.

  197. June 2, 2016 2:38 pm

    Was this worth waiting 16 years for? I’m not sure, but about a month ago I seriously considered giving up..

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 2, 2016 2:42 pm

    So it’s Amber’s fault

    No, it’s not, none of us know whose fault it is [yet], but let’s have a trial by media anyway. And bananaby joyce has nothing to do with it either, though for all the sense some make in trying to link the two, we might as well blame him, perhaps we could blame pistol & boo?

    There is a strong correlation between high minimum wages and unemployment.
    Duh?

    I think there’s a stronger correlation between liberal governments and higher unemployment. Employer groups desire high unemployment, they get to pick & choose their labour and get away with even more exploitation.

    A return to full employment in Australia will require significantly higher deficits
    http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=33200

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 2, 2016 2:59 pm

    I think there’s a stronger correlation between liberal governments and higher unemployment.

    I don’t. Who could ever forget this?

    Sept-Dec 1991- 10.1, 10.0, 10.2, 10.4
    Jan-Dec 1992- 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 11.2
    Jan-Dec1993- 10.9, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 10.8, 11.0, 10.8, 11.0, 10.7, 10.9, 10.8, 10.6
    Jan-April 1994- 10.4, 10.3, 10.3, 10.1

    Those numbers are the unemployment rate under Keating. Unemployment was at 11% when Keating won the 1993 election.

    Unemployment was at 2% when Menzies was PM. Anybody who wanted a job could get one. If you hated your job and got another job the next day under 23 years of Conservative rule.

    That is until people elected Gough who destroyed our low unemployment country

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 3:08 pm

    Truly, by the time the leftists are through there will be no dog left unfucked in the entire country!

    So by that time you’ll be buggered! LOL!

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 3:10 pm

    Was this worth waiting 16 years for? I’m not sure, but about a month ago I seriously considered giving up..

    Lifeline Australia >>>>>>>> 13 11 14

  202. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 3:27 pm

    TB, I know there are no Marxists in Australia anymore (as you so often lecture us). Funnily enough however, the Victorian ALP government decided to appoint one (Roz Ward) to set up their Safe Schools program. She said:

    “… Safe Schools Coalition is about supporting gender and sexual diversity. Not about celebrating diversity. Not about stopping bullying.

    At the Marxism 2015 Conference the same Roz Ward said:

    I was the person who set up Safe Schools … in Victoria … To smooth the operation of capitalism the ruling class has benefited, and continues to benefit, from oppressing our bodies, our relationships, sexuality and gender identities alongside sexism, ­homophobia and transphobia.

    So TB, not only are there Marxists here, they occupy positions of power thanks to leftist ALP governments. The ALP government sacked her after a wave of public revulsion but that won’t stop the dirty leftist fuckers of the ALP from trying again to put their Marxist mates in positions of power.

  203. June 2, 2016 3:32 pm

    Yeah, thanks TB, but that’s the last thing I’d ever do. Literally. 😯

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 4:09 pm

    So TB, not only are there Marxists here, they occupy positions of power thanks to leftist ALP governments.

    Can’t argue that … bit like the fascists in the tories … rightists eg Bernardi … Hanson … Heffernan …

    Not many but enough!

    Extremes don’t bother me unless there’s a LOT of the buggers … luckily in this country they usually get pissed off – in so many ways – especially on the left side … the right seem to be so much more tolerant … chuckle …

    =========================

    Yeah, thanks TB, but that’s the last thing I’d ever do. Literally.😯

    ToSY, I wouldn’t have stuck it up if I thought that … I like your paintings too much 🙂

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2016 4:10 pm

    DISTURBING text messages allegedly exchanged between Amber Heard and Johnny Depp’s assistant suggest the Pirates of the Caribbean star had become violent even before their marriage.
    “When I told him he kicked you, he cried,” Depp’s assistant Stephen Deuters allegedly texted Heard in May 2014, according to Entertainment Tonight. “It was disgusting. And he knows it.”
    Heard replied that it wasn’t the first time he’d behaved that way.

    ….but, but, but… he doesn’t like Barnaby Joyce, and therefore he’s on OUR side!

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 4:17 pm

    Stop it Tom! Demonstrating leftist hypocrisy is like shooting fish dogs.

  207. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 4:22 pm

    TB, if Bernardi is your idea of a fascist or in any way equivalent to a Marxist then you have lost the plot entirely. You are so determined to show some kind of equivalence that thought and logic are absent. Time to turn your brain on and your prejudices off.

  208. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 2, 2016 5:21 pm

    Tom of Melbourne PERMALINK
    June 2, 2016 4:10 pm

    ….but, but, but… he doesn’t like Barnaby Joyce, and therefore he’s on OUR side!

    Where’s your blockquote from tomM, I’ve been out, have I missed a link?

    Who does like bananaby?

    I doubt that depp is anyone’s side but his own.

    Bananaby used the pistol and boo situation for straight out populist politicking, his red-facing ranting was all over the media, making sure it became a national [?international] incident, he big noted himself throughout and he was also quite disparaging and inflammatory with his comments.

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 5:32 pm

    You are so determined to show some kind of equivalence that thought and logic are absent.Time to turn your brain on and your prejudices off.

    And there’s the rub …

    My brain IS turned on and if I have a prejudice at all, it’s agin organised religion (all of ’em) and the disaster they continue to bring to the world … but particularly the katlyks because of the over representation in our governments and associated influence … (and dog knows how my prejudice has been fuelled over the last 40 years) …

    And yes, I do attempt to balance your politically (and recently religious) biased ramblings (God knows what turned you into a Crusader) … and there is a perfectly good reason for that … in May, 8,000 people visited here … and I know you think you preach the Word … but I’ve got some really, really bad news for you … and the 8,000 … you can’t feed ’em … with just loaves and fishes …

    The American Dream has turned into the American Nightmare because they created a society that you espouse … we do not want that Plague to reach these shores … if you believe in an Unterschicht … then reducing or eliminating the minimum wage will achieve just that …

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 5:33 pm

    TB, if Bernardi is your idea of a fascist or in any way equivalent to a Marxist then you have lost the plot entirely.

    Tagged … why not?

  211. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 5:38 pm

    “……but particularly the katlyks because of the over representation in our governments and associated influence …”

    Got a Link for that ?

  212. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 5:39 pm

    Trust KL to be on the side of the rich one-percenter who thinks even his dogs are above the law! Lefty one-percenters are beyond criticism in la-la land.

  213. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 5:41 pm

    Its OK TB I found your Link…………

  214. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 5:43 pm

    TB I can’t follow your …… stream ….. of consciousness ….. ramblings. They are …. just so much … incoherent spittle …. dribbling down an old …. man’s chin.

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 6:50 pm

    … dribbling down an old …. man’s chin. …

    The last resort of a loser … so close … just lost me … DICK!

    Typical … play the man not the ball … sad really … I expected better …

    You once said we have more in common than not … wrong … age is not a lifestyle choice … argue my opinion by all means …

    The personal shit just means I struck a chord …

    Many of us have raised ourselves above our birth start … because some of us remember it … we still help people to lift themselves … the bitter, the churchgoing network and the arrogant want to keep others down …

    To be successful we need an Unterschicht … for the 30% to be successful … where I come from the odds are too WRONG!

    I prefer to live in a society, not survive in the one percenters’ economy!

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 6:58 pm

    TB, if Bernardi is your idea of a fascist or in any way equivalent to a Marxist then you have lost the plot entirely.

    Tagged … why not?

    Not answered … like any question … too long means … you agree with Bernardi … or can’t answer the question …

    … did I tell you I was a line manager … and training consultant in (among other things) verbal, NVC and written comms! Add that to my comment above! See a pattern?

    The 8,000 who visited this SITE! might!

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 2, 2016 7:30 pm

    I prefer to live in a society, not survive in the one percenters’ economy!

    Not really TB

    You prefer to live in a society where the ALP is in power no matter how bad the economy is. You would say the same thing if you lived in Venezuela

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 8:17 pm

    You would say the same thing if you lived in Venezuela

    You would not have a fucking clue what I think! And I don’t live in Venezuela … noe your fucking La La Land!

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 8:24 pm

    So Negative Gearing causes a slump … before the election … WOW! Who woulda thunk!

    NEW unit owners, and developers, are learning a rarely taught lesson in Australian real estate. Pproperty is not always the golden ticket to increasing wealth.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/buying/offtheplan-apartments-are-under-the-spotlight-as-prices-slump/news-story/e14b4bddcd1e2e8126e41064051edc0c

    That’s just awful … especially for all those landlords on the minimum wage … hey?

  220. Word permalink
    June 2, 2016 9:28 pm

    (Using the term ‘guys‘ to address a group could offend those who do not self-identify as ‘guys‘.

    Almost; but a bit more relationally dynamic; perhaps? Take Eminem’s Rap God (The Real Slim Shady also works) as an example; it explicitly (self-)identifies (a) discursive community(ies), (a) lexis(es), (a) threshold(s) for communicative (in)competency(ies), (a) basis(es) for (in)authority(ies), locus(i) of power(lessness(es), etc. The concept of altercasting, within the broader context of role theory, might also prove a useful analytic tool?)

  221. June 2, 2016 10:10 pm

    Somebody is displaying a lot of `man-Love` over bananasby recently #nttawwt

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 2, 2016 11:20 pm

  223. June 2, 2016 11:33 pm

    (Or is it just `more` gobbledegook-speak generated by the dudes and dude-ettes at the politically-correct-pinko-leftist-teabag-rightist-talking-head-asylum in a desperate hope of trying to cling limpet-like to some form of relevance during their Hunger Games, while inadvertently providing vain glorious fodder for the Mocking-Jays. Well, see`ya guys, l am leaving your roof-space via the `man-hole` now, and off to see some `Fairy` Penguins!!)

  224. June 2, 2016 11:49 pm

    Sorry Meta, I have no idea what point you’re trying to convey. Try Orwellspeak, perhaps?

  225. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 3, 2016 9:36 am

    TB: “Tagged … why not?

    Not answered … like any question … too long means … you agree with Bernardi … or can’t answer the question …

    … did I tell you I was a line manager … and training consultant in (among other things) verbal, NVC and written comms! Add that to my comment above! See a pattern?

    The 8,000 who visited this SITE! might!”

    QED. That reads more like senile dribble than reasoned argument.

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:00 am

    … did I tell you I was a line manager … and training consultant…

    Only about 10000000000000000 times

  227. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:08 am

    LOL @ ToM

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:15 am

    And took shit from dickheads … for a limited time …

  229. June 3, 2016 10:55 am

    Do I Have to Number all the Squares Above the Line to put the major Parties last?

    Yes,,,,,The AEC will only count preferences you fill in. With the abolition of preference tickets, parties can no longer fill in preferences for you. If you want to put the major parties last, or any other party last, you have to number every other square,,,,,

    # ,, (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

  230. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 11:38 am

    “And took shit from dickheads … for a limited time …”

    Oh…………..are you leaving the Blog .?

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe………………………….

  231. June 3, 2016 12:25 pm

    Lol… 😀

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 1:00 pm

    Oh…………..are you leaving the Blog .?

    How could I ever leave you, wally …

    And let you have your way …!!! ~(;-)

    Farnham Bear I am not! ~(:-D)

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 1:01 pm

    … you have to number every other square,,,,,

    No, every square … surely …

  234. Team Trumpet permalink
    June 3, 2016 3:15 pm

    (Speaking of penguins, what’s black and white and red all over?)

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 3:39 pm

    Remember how James/Sancty was ridiculed for posting his personal observations about diving on the Great Barrier Reef?

    Let’s see how we go with Tim…

    A few weeks ago I dived the Great Barrier Reef, near Port Douglas. It was one of the saddest days of my life. I am haunted by what I’ve seen.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-great-barrier-reef-is-losing-its-adjective-and-its-our-fault-20160602-gp9qsh.html#ixzz4AUYdkY1D

  236. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 3:43 pm

    “Let’s see how we go with Tim…”

    Yes…….lets see our village TomRoll laughs and points and ridicules Timmy’s anecdotal evidence

  237. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2016 3:52 pm

    If the ALP is worried about CO2 why don’t they ban coal production and exports? Here is a picture of aussie exports of coal

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 4:06 pm

    mmm … big stockpile …

    AGL is one of Australia’s leading integrated energy companies and largest ASX listed owner, operator and developer of renewable energy generation in the country. AGL has already invested over $3 billion in renewable investments, including AGL’s Nyngan and Broken Hill solar plants, Australia’s largest utility-scale solar photovoltaic (PV) power plants.

    https://www.agl.com.au/about-agl/how-we-source-energy/renewable-energy

    Coal mining will run out of power eventually – under its own steam … so to speak 🙂

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 4:07 pm

    BTW that graph stops about 2012/13 … significant … didn’t the government change about then?

  240. June 3, 2016 4:13 pm

    According to that article,Tim Flannery’s infuriated. Infuriated!.

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 4:54 pm

    Those fkn unions!

    WOOLWORTHS has been ordered to pay a $9 million fine for its part in an deal which duped Aussie customers into paying more for laundry detergents.

    The scam, nicknamed “project mastermind” by executives at Colgate-Palmolive and its competitor Unilever Australia, involved a deal between the companies to stop selling laundry concentrate and start selling “ultra concentrate” in 2009.

    Ultra concentrate is cheaper to produce, store and transport, but the savings were never passed on to customers. The deal allowed Colgate-Palmolive to halve the size of the product, but keep its detergents at the price of the discontinued laundry concentrate.

    Colgate-Palmolive was fined $18 million in April over the scam. In the Federal Court on Friday, Woolworths admitted to “being knowingly concerned in the making of, and giving effect to” the agreement between Colgate-Palmolive, PZ Cussons and Unilever.

    Justice Jagot the “the penalty reflects the objective seriousness of the contraventions”.

    PZ Cussons has maintained its innocence and is fighting the case, which is listed for hearing next Tuesday 7 June.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/woolies-comes-clean-over-laundry-scam/news-story/daf4b83cb7d319f2d90a7978b1e4e4a8

    Oh! Wait!

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2016 5:46 pm

    BTW that graph stops about 2012/13 … significant … didn’t the government change about then?

    Well here is another graph.

    If ALP/Greens people think CO2 is destroying the planet they should ban coal eports. I got the graphs from this wikipedia article.Coal exports exploded under Rudd/Gillard

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_Australia#Production_and_reserves

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 6:02 pm

    Coal exports exploded under Rudd/Gillard

    You really do live in wally wanker world, neel … the drop is related to GFC and China’s downturn …

    … coal exports aren’t banned … however, ALP had a Carbon Tax that would have morphed into an ETS … but that’s another story … now the Liberal Party pays polluters with taxpayer money … odd …

    Both Labor AND Greens want develop renewable energy systems as quickly as possible to wean the nation and hopefully the world off coal – it isn’t “good for people” BTW … but just as people whinged about those new fangled motor cars … it takes time to get the horses off the road – and stop the slipping in the shit syndrome … especially if you own massive stables of horses (ie coal mines as opposed to solar or wind farms) … Robber Barons also have a tendency to slow society’s progress …

  244. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2016 6:16 pm

    the drop is related to GFC and China’s downturn …

    Drop? What drop? Coal exports are double what they were in 2007.I will believe the ALP wants to do something about CO2 when they ban coal exports which is our second largest export.

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2016 10:32 am

    Another example of how being a rich and famous actor automatically allows them to have great wisdom and insight. Just like (alleged) wife basher Johnny Depp.

    ACTRESS Megan Fox believes Chelsea Handler’s aborted foetus has been communicating with the comedienne via her pet dog Chunk. Seriously.
    The Transformers star, 30, told Handler, 41, that her aborted baby uses the body of her pet dog to provide comfort to the funnywoman.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/megan-fox-to-chelsea-handler-your-aborted-baby-is-in-your-dog/news-story/05c7e4d9ae248b16897f604f9686b96d

  246. June 4, 2016 11:55 am

    Actually it`s,,,,,Another example of how,,,,, Limited-News serves-up idiotic slop to it`s punters and how readily their punters gobble-down the slop. #teabags

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 5:58 pm

    Actually … I’m seriously considering NOT completing a Census Form …

    ABS

    We ask the general public for their cooperation, and most people provide information willingly. If you do not complete the Census form, the Australian Statistician has the power to direct you in writing to provide the information. The Census and Statistics Act 1905 provides for penalties of up to $180 a day for failure to complete and return a form.

    Might just check that out …

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