Skip to content
Advertisements

Latest Newspoll shows Coalition could lose election!

May 30, 2016

574b5fd6da9bb_3411118_20160529001260407881_original_1280x720-1bkmnum

***A GUTTER TRASH EXCLUSIVE REPORT***

Despite sections of the mainstream media speculating that the Coalition is “likely” to win the election even though recent polls show Labor leading, The Gutter Trash can reveal that secret Newspoll research shows that the Coalition may well lose.

The analysis, prepared for The Australian and leaked today to The Gutter Trash shows that in the past eight weeks the Coalition has suffered a 6 per cent swing against it in two-party-preferred terms in Queensland, a 7.3 per cent swing in Western Australia and 3.6 per cent deterioration in NSW – enough to lose the election.

The polling also shows that in South Australia, Nick Xenophon’s party has attracted one in five primary votes at the cost of the Coalition, Labor and the Greens.

The Coalition leads in two-party-preferred terms in Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland, is tied in NSW and trails in Victoria.

If the swings in each state were repeated in a uniform manner on July 2, Turnbull would lose office just nine months after toppling Abbott.

In Queensland, the decline of the Palmer United Party appears to have favoured Labor and the Greens, with the ALP’s primary vote leaping by six points and the Greens up almost four points as the government has dropped 2.7 points.

Western Australia is where Labor has improved the most, with a 7.2 per cent rise in primary vote and a matching lift in two-party support as the Coalition’s core vote tumbled by 8.2 per cent.

 

 

 

 

Advertisements
640 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:14 pm

    You must ask me about my sense of humour right now … ~(:-D

  2. Walrus permalink
    May 30, 2016 4:49 pm

    hehehehehehehehehehehehehe……………!

    ALP Primary stuck on 36% and poll using preference flows from last election when PUP had a greater influence.

  3. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 5:59 pm

    If the swings in each state were repeated in a uniform manner on July 2, Turnbull would lose office just nine months after toppling Abbott

    And he would of got away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky Bills kids

  4. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2016 6:04 pm

    ALP Primary stuck on 36%

    5 weeks to go, and it isn’t ‘stuck’, the trend is all in the right direction. 😉

    I’m not sure if I’d be happier if Labor win just for the policy reset, or to witness the Unhinging Part II

  5. Walrus permalink
    May 30, 2016 6:21 pm

    Read it and weep…………………………….. LOL

    http://australianpolitics.com/2013/02/25/alp-federal-election-results-since-1910.html

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2016 6:31 pm

    I’m not sure if I’d be happier if Labor win just for the policy reset, or to witness the Unhinging Part II

    The unhinging…always!

    I think it’s already started.

  7. May 30, 2016 6:33 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2016 6:42 pm

    if the Libs are so popular, why is it that they haven’t put up any policies, only more slogans and fear campaigns? Still nothing of substance to present to the people.

    If they think they are going to hoodwink everyone again by keeping their planned mugging of the public a secret, they’ll really need to try harder.

    Don’t you think people are a bit wary of what the libs will want to do if they get the chance again? They haven’t got over the shock of tony abbott’s failed budget and political agenda yet and malcolm is not the messiah, he is the wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2016 7:21 pm

    Still nothing of substance to present to the people.

    To some people, KL, $50 billion to the Robber Barons!

    That’s supposed to trickle down … there’s only one thing that trickles down from The Robber Barons …

    What’s amusing is that some commenters here think everyone gets there by hard work and application … as if the rest just bumble along behind the master’s carriage …

    And some even confuse political systems with economic theory …

  10. May 30, 2016 7:58 pm

    Its not true Malcolm and Morrison are using trickle down economics. They want to give the lot to the top 1%. Malcolm has not only invented the internet he has invented ” trickle up economics.”

  11. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2016 1:41 am

    Newspoll: enough to lose: key states swing against Coalition
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/newspoll-enough-to-lose-keystates-swing-against-coalition/news-story/8c67d20b18465daad6b817be6fdbc7e8

    …The Turnbull government is facing the prospect of losing 10 seats in NSW, six in Queensland and three in Western Australia, with a significant slump in support in the key election battlegrounds.

    An analysis of Newspolls over the past two months, taken exclusively for The Australian, reveals the Coalition has suffered a 6 per cent swing against it in two-party-preferred terms in Queensland, a 7.3 swing in Western Australia and 3.6 per cent deterioration in NSW — enough to lose the election…

  12. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 7:56 am

    Chris Nelson has been expelled from party

    Wow, I saw that on the news last night, but they didn’t mention that link. Like most things, it’s what the media don’t tell you that is most worrying.

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2016 9:18 am

    “What’s amusing is that some commenters here think everyone gets there by hard work and application …

    Still no mention that Bill is a katlick…who went to one of the most expensive private school bully factories schools in the country… and a katlick one at that!

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2016 10:17 am

    …Andrew Bolt has Bolter heritage. If his ancestors are European I’m afraid they did a runner from their homeland. Unless they were actually transported as convicts (could Bolt have crim-heritage?) his heritage is one of flight, we might call it evasion, even skirting, shirking, ducking, darting, dodging, side-stepping, bypassing, eluding and equivocating.

    We could call the migration of his forebears any of those things but these characterisations aren’t exactly ready-to-hand because Bolt is white. Instead we tend to describe settler’s movements as pioneering, as leading the way, breaking new ground, laying down tracks, forging and initiating.

    We reserve the less adulatory terms for mobility for refugees and Aborigines – you know, displaced people…

  15. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:07 am

    It’s not all going Labors way though.

    Still a big task for them to win. Time to start raising the damage the libs have done to the Environment, NBN and NDIS.

  16. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 11:19 am

    Must read – brilliant piece by Liz Conor in New Matilda

    It was, thanks AO etal 😉

    I hadn’t heard dolts slime at Nova Peris, but it goes without saying it would be there. And it was.

    And this is the kind of scumbag theirabc gets to host a reconciliation program? A convicted bloody racist!

    The abc is broken, and, IF Labor win, they really need to take action against it. Getting rid of the ltdnews hack that has just been put in place there would be a great start, but, I think that horse has bolted.

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2016 12:43 pm

    Just watching turnbull on abc24 [before I go to work] making a real hash of a childhood cancer presser. It’s obvious he’s struggling to think on his feet, umming and ahhing throughout.

    Just call it a ‘gotcha moment’ if you can’t or won’t be honest about the effects of your policies.

    …Neil Mitchell: “Are you aware of the transition to retirement scheme?”

    Julie Bishop: “I’m certainly aware that we have one, yes.”
    Neil Mitchell: “How does it work?”
    Julie Bishop: “Well, Neil, this is obviously a ‘gotcha’ moment. It’s not my portfolio.”
    Neil Mitchell: “This is the point. Neither you or Josh Frydenberg understand Transition To Retirement and this is where you’re hitting average people, not the fat cats, the average people.”
    Julie Bishop: “I don’t accept that’s the case.”
    Ms Bishop also said she thought the Coalition was unbeatable at the upcoming election…

    …New research published today by the Centre for Workplace Leadership and the Department of Employment from their national survey of leadership in Australian organisations show the public sector significantly outperforming business in both radical and incremental innovation…

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 31, 2016 12:44 pm

  19. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 2:02 pm

    Julie Bishop: “Well, Neil, this is obviously a ‘gotcha’ moment. It’s not my portfolio.”
    Neil Mitchell

    I actually agree with the asbestos queen here. The gotchas are just cheap thrills for media morons without a clue. Do they realise that pollies are in a portfolio, and, as in QT, you ask the person in that portfolio.

    I don’t think ANYBODY could or should be across the entirety of the policy platform, it is just too broad, unless of course, you want people with just a simple, cursory understanding, and no depth

    Another fail by the media imo, who should know better

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 2:46 pm

    Still no mention that Bill is a katlick…who went to one of the most expensive private school bully factories schools in the country… and a katlick one at that!

    Do keep up … it was “mentioned” months ago …

    2/10 must try harder
    TB

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2016 2:51 pm

    Nathan Scholz is could be a katlyk too … but I like is style! Very Christian … and logical too … its not going to encourage him to employ more staff than he needs … so kaching!

    Better than a one off $960 cheque and no GFC!

  22. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:19 pm

    I haven’t heard Shorten speak much about his cat likin’, but I have heard him speak about his education. He has acknowledged how lucky he was to have such a privileged education, and how he wishes all people had the same such privilege.

    Hence Gonski.

    Compare that with the million dollar malcayman, and how he claimed during the debate he ahd ‘humble’ origins. ROFL

    The guy hasn’t got a clue. Being grifted millions by daddy isn’t “humble”, in my humble opinion.

  23. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2016 3:39 pm

    lol, and yes, Lucy is hitched to the other dude. The lolstrayan just can’t get anything right.

  24. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2016 7:33 am

    Awkward

  25. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2016 7:36 am

    And this isn’t awkward, it’s just outright insanity


    Private school students to receive $1000 more in government funds than public students by 2020

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/private-school-students-to-receive-1000-more-in-government-funds-than-public-students-by-2020-20160531-gp8av8

    The worst part, imo

    Disadvantaged schools are being starved of wealthy and high-performing students, who are flocking to wealthier government and non-government schools.

    Wealthy schools are taking on more affluent students and shutting out poorer and low-achieving students through entrance exams and high fees, according to the report.

    This has the consequence of leaving the underfunded state schools to deal with more problem students as a percentage with less resources.

    How the hell did we get here?

  26. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2016 8:01 am

    And this one is just sublimely stupid

    Former federal treasurer Joe Hockey tried to block the release of five-year-old hire car travel details by arguing it could put him at risk by allowing prediction of his movements in a heightened terrorism environment.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-sought-to-block-cabcharge-details-citing-terrorism-risk-20160530-gp776y.html

    I’m guessing poor people are safe from terrorism, cos, they don’t drive cars ya know.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2016 8:25 am

    You’re in good company TB!
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2016/jun/01/australian-election-2016-bill-shorten-malcolm-turnbull-campaign-politics-live?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …And another thing(s)
    From AAP, Senator Nick Xenophon has posed for the men’s magazine GQ Australia, dressed by Target. AAP reports:

    Standing in front of posters emblazoned with ‘make ship happen’ Xenophon’s Target suit would likely be the first of its kind to be photographed for men’s magazine GQ Australia.
    In a press release Mr Xenophon reveals he refused to be styled by the magazine, sticking to his rigid $100 clothes cap for the shoot which he says includes Lowes shoes and Kmart undies.
    The June/July issue of the magazine, which has Liam Hemsworth on the cover, features a Q&A with the senator who talks about his dislike of being called a politician and his respect for ‘charming’ prime minister Malcolm Turnbull.
    ‘In state parliament, I had the title The Honourable and after 10 years they told me I could apply to have the title for life, to put it on my letterhead. I loathe that crap,’ he tells the magazine.
    The magazine will hit newsstands on Monday.”…

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2016 8:53 am

    Government agencies are twice as likely to be involved in innovation as private companies, research finds

    Typical of “innovation” by government agencies! We have so much to be thankful about!!

  29. June 1, 2016 9:04 am

    “which he says includes Lowes shoes and Kmart undies.”

    Styled by TB, fashionista to the stars!

  30. Nativity Plays permalink
    June 1, 2016 9:32 am

    (How the hell did we get here?

    Really, I haven’t even the faintest inkling.)

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2016 9:46 am

    I was going to vote for the Xenophon party, but I’m not sure I can bring myself to support anyone who wears polyester suits, ties and shirts.

  32. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2016 10:36 am

    The scary thing no one’s noticed about the NBN raids

    You mean how politicised it was, or the fact that they allowed a “suspects” image to be splashed across the front pages (which brings us back to the political point)

    Even Labor now accepts, I think, that the AFP was doing its own thing, in pursuit of a complaint by NBN Co.

    You don’t “think” too well johnno

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2016 10:50 am

    “…had the title The Honourable and after 10 years they told me I could apply to have the title for life, to put it on my letterhead. I loathe that crap,’ he tells the magazine…”

    There’s the difference, Abbott & Co would defend that system to their deaths.

  34. June 1, 2016 12:18 pm

    l still think this will be a `shock`n`awe` election. The teabags will lose seats, but manage to squeak back in, but be stuck with an even more un-compliant senate. Teabag-lite will lose albo and plib, leaving the team with less alternative leaders, and therefore stuck with blib as opposition leader for the next decade. Of course, all the useless critters will be returned, talkbull, andrews, dutton, juLie, odwyer, bow-wow and blib.

  35. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 12:44 pm

    Oh Dear…………….this is a bit of a set back for the “True Believers”……….ROFLMAO

    “The Australian Bureau of Statistics said on Wednesday gross domestic product expanded 1.1 per cent in the first three months of the year, compared with a revised 0.7 per cent in the final 2015 quarter.

    The figure was even better than hurriedly-revised economists’ estimates.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/gdp-growth-accelerates-in-first-quarter-20160531-gp8nna.html#ixzz4AIAWVsiT

  36. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2016 1:27 pm

    There’s only one thing I see being “set back” here

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2016 1:27 pm

    Thank goodness the Senate blocked their planned budget then!

    (Guardian)
    “…Both sides are claiming national accounts figures as a reason voters should back them. The Coalition says it is not taking growth for granted but opposition says strong result is driven by exports and not a blueprint for growth…”

  38. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 1:32 pm

    Thanks for the graph King Troll.

    Your link shows GNI and GDP crashing in the lead up to the 2013 election.

    But that is to be expected with Gillard/Rudd

  39. June 1, 2016 2:00 pm

    blubbering about domestic product while ignoring that 31% of worker-consumer-force is casual-part-time-junk-job-status and growing will be a moot-point as stagnation sets-in, if not already begun #teabags

  40. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 2:03 pm

    “………. ignoring that 31% of worker-consumer-force is casual-part-time-junk-job-status and growing……..”

    Stop crapping on. If you really gave a flying ratz you’d call for and overhaul of employments laws.

    But you wont because ya full of shit

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2016 3:12 pm

    How the hell did we get here?

    Vote Liberal …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You’re in good company TB!

    After reading your quote, KL – in so many ways … The Honourable title has been tarnished so much its barely visible!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m not sure I can bring myself to support anyone who wears polyester suits, ties and shirts.

    ‘Course ya can, sunshine … just smile and agree, hey? And apologise when your wrong, zylophone, does …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The figure was even better than hurriedly-revised economists’ estimates.”

    WoW! Just say the words and it happens … The Happy Clappy Broad Church of The Liberal Devotees … as if any government actually controls GDP … this one certainly spends it!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Your link shows GNI and GDP crashing in the lead up to the 2013 election

    Check out the whole graph and it proves my earlier point … up and down like a brides nightdress … all passion and out of control … Liberals can no more control (or guess) GDP than Labor … and certainly not Treasury …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Jobs and growth … ? But only for big business it seems not tradies … too much @ $163, 000 pa it would appear … who’s playing “class war” … how much do TurnAbbott and Jones earn between them? For sitting on their arses all day … and neither of them could fit three wires to a power point properly …

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/01/election-2016-malcolm-turnbull-above-inflation-pay-rise-construction-workers-union

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2016 3:39 pm

    Vote Liberal …

    Not really TB. WE locked up 8,469 children because you voted for Rudd. And if Labor gets back in they will do it again.

  43. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 4:19 pm

    You seriously believe a labourer deserves $151,794 ?

    You seriously have rocks for brains

    “A Deloitte ­Access Economics report shows unskilled labourers in Melbourne’s CBD are now being paid more than $150,000 a year.Carpenters working under union deals receive $163,825, while an entry-level labourer earns $151,794.”

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/unskilled-labourers-paid-over-150000-per-year-on-melbourne-cbd-building-sites-report-finds/news-story/cadc702211e6327c820b537e6f41f3ed

  44. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 5:41 pm

    Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!……..And you dare bring up class warfare………….what a crock of shit

    “Shorten is quite a Dickhead” (Part 500000000000002…..Act 1……..)

    “…….The opposition leader toured a renewable energy distributor, which boasted a BMW i8 hybrid sports car. Mr Shorten reckons it’s a car fit for his political opponent and grabbed the opportunity to take a dig at Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s wealth.

    “It looks more like Mr Turnbull’s car than mine I’m afraid,” he said while inspecting the expensive ride.

    But he may have overestimated the prime minister’s car budget.Before taking on the nation’s top job, Mr Turnbull got around in a Prius before upgrading to a Fiat. Both are small, economical and relatively inexpensive vehicles……..”

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/06/01/00/11/alp-pledges-100m-for-household-renewables

  45. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 5:42 pm

    “Shorten is quite a Dickhead” (Part 500000000000002…..Act 2……..)

    “I also have to say the Storm are the underdogs slightly under the bookies market and I am partial to backing the underdogs,”

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/state-of-origin/bill-shorten-in-embarrassing-state-of-origin-gaffe/news-story/b81269fecb0fbb304a6f33fef40c99de

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 1, 2016 5:55 pm

    Oh noes!

    Stonehenge could be toppled by moles if the climate change continues apace, a United Nations report claimed yesterday.

  47. Walrus permalink
    June 1, 2016 5:59 pm

    “Stonehenge could be toppled by moles if the climate change continues apace,………”

    ROFLMAO !!

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2016 6:15 pm

    You seriously believe a labourer deserves $151,794 ?

    Why not? You couldn’t do his job? How much do you get swivelling on your chair?

    Ever heard of supply and demand …

    Don’t whinge go and get a real job!

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2016 6:21 pm

    relatively inexpensive vehicles

    Yeah that’s why there are so many on the road … FMD, wally … most people know they are heaps of crap, and rich folk drive Pious (sic) to make people think they care about the environment … Direct Action in action …

    “I also have to say the Storm are the underdogs slightly under the bookies market and I am partial to backing the underdogs,”

    Is that all you’ve got? Jesus fkn wept!

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2016 6:23 pm

    Not sure if the article is behind a paywall. I can cut & paste if you find it interesting [as I do]

    Guy Rundle describes Troy Bramston as ‘boy bramston’

    Greens Derangement Syndrome: part III
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/06/01/greens-derangement-syndrome-part-iii/#.V06SJtrhC3I.twitter

    Labor remains unable to think straight about the Greens.

    …By “protest vote mentality”, the Boy means that Greens voters don’t conspire in his fantasy that Labor is still the Whitlam-Hawke-Keating party, unifying progressive forces. The Greens’ vote is growing precisely because it isn’t a protest vote anymore. The Greens voters of Northcote, Thornbury, etc (in Batman), are public servants, academics, consultants, media people, tech people. They know that they run the knowledge economy, and that they will eventually run the whole economy, and they want to vote for a party that will express the whole of their values, not merely a part of them. Their vote is growing not out of protests, but because they can see power within their grasp — both in a renewed control of the Senate crossbenches, and possibly as part of a crossbench in the lower house, should the result be close.

    The Boy is equally blind to the appeal of Jim Casey, the Greens candidate in Grayndler, because of his remarks about the “end of capitalism”. Given that books with titles like PostCapitalism are bestsellers across the world at the moment, and that that radical outfit Goldman Sachs is contemplating “how it would survive in a post-capitalist world”, I’d say it’s something a lot of people — especially Greens and inner-city Labor voters — are thinking about. But people aren’t drawn to Casey because of stray remarks a few years ago. They’re drawn because he’s a worker, a firefighter, and a rank-and-file unionist. As much as Grayndler voters respect Albanese, they know he’s part of Labor professional politics. Casey is the sort of person who could have been a Labor candidate decades ago — but now, would never be able to fight his way through the uni cliques that form the Labor political caste.

    Labor remains unable to think straight about the Greens. How much longer will they continue to waste not only resources but psychic energy on their agonised contemplation of their rivals? Until it has been definitively established that it has cost them an election, I guess. Why can’t they give up a few inner-city seats, move their social policy further to the centre, and take the fight to the suburbs where they should be? Because most of Labor’s leadership are, in their predilections and personality, more green and inner city than they are suburban. They have the same tastes and worldview as most of the Di Natale Greens 3.0, and they don’t really want to abandon the Whitlamite conception of Labor as the party of progressive reason. But their monopoly on that is long gone. Until they realise that and make some sort of accommodation – similar but not identical to the right’s accommodation of the Country Party in the 1920s, and as has just occurred in New Zealand — they’ll continue to defy reason…

    Poll Bludger: why the ageing population is about to decimate the Coalition
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2015/09/07/poll-bludger-why-the-ageing-population-is-about-to-decimate-the-coalition/

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2016 6:40 pm

    A Deloitte ­Access Economics report shows unskilled labourers in Melbourne’s CBD are now being paid more than $150,000 a year.Carpenters working under union deals receive $163,825, while an entry-level labourer earns $151,794.”

    And people wonder why we lost our manufacturing industry. ALP supporters only care about themselves.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2016 7:34 pm

    And people wonder why we lost our manufacturing industry. ALP supporters only care about themselves.

    You do realise that these skilled, knowledgeable and experienced people still earn LESS than the fkn magical $180,000 …

    SUPPLY AND DEMAND! Not POWER AND CONTROL … if you want to live in a free market not Uber Kapitalism … let it happen …

    Tories are the new fascists … or re-born fascists … raiding and jailing … and spying on the population without cause …

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2016 7:47 pm

    You do realise that these skilled, knowledgeable and experienced people still earn LESS than the fkn magical $180,000 …

    Do nurses earn $150K/year?

    These deadbeats get their high wages because of industrial muscle, threats, intimidation and are the true Robber Barons. Greedy immoral pigs who only care about themselves.

    We lost our automotive industry because of these people.

    It is typical that you support such immoral wages. Don’t care about people, don’t care about justice, don’t care about anything except your big fat stomach.

  54. June 1, 2016 7:57 pm

    somebody is hoovering-up bullshit at deliotte,,,,,while an entry-level labourer earns $151,794,,,,,, as 16-hour days on 13-day fortnights won`t get that high ,, you`ve been punked

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2016 8:06 pm

    Someone must be employed by the libs full-time to sit and think up all the ways that they can possibly lie, cheat and steal their way to power. Nothing is verboten to them, they are a rancid outfit.

    …This week the government quietly launched its “A PaTH To Jobs” website, spruiking the internship program for young people announced as part of the 2016 Budget.

    Many business groups have withdrawn their support for the $750 million Prepare-Trial-Hire program — it includes a $4 an hour internship — and employment law experts have called it illegal.
    The website gives you the option to register your interest in the PaTH program as an employer or job seeker by providing your address, email and phone number, and says the employment minister will contact you with more information.

    But the website doesn’t make it clear in any fine print about who is getting your contact information — the government or the Liberal Party.
    Is this a website to register interest in a government policy — or a way to mine email addresses for the Liberal party’s election campaign?
    A quick search reveals the domain is owned by the Liberal Party of Australia and is authorised by Liberal Party director Tony Nutt…

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2016 8:19 pm

  57. Redacted permalink
    June 1, 2016 8:34 pm

    (Not really…WE locked up 8,469 children because you voted for Rudd. And if Labor gets back in they will do it again.)

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2016 8:59 pm

    Redacted

    Not sure what you are raving on about. Fact is TB of Queensland, Walrus, Splatterbum, Reb AO, Toilet and anybody who voted for Rudd in 2007, voted for locking up 8,469 children.

    Leftists never change. No point in arguing with them. I am the only person who posts on this blog who voted for Howard in 2007.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

  59. June 1, 2016 9:16 pm

    l see the `alarmist-warmist-leftists` are paddling in their own `transparency` hypocrisy again. Free-range teabags like sweet-cory receive no credit when they `do` disclose their phobic-sexist-oligarchist pathway to fascism. #shame.on.you

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2016 9:20 pm

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    And you certainly prove that evey day!

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2016 9:33 pm

    And you certainly prove that evey day!

    Really? This is what you did.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/last-children-released-from-australian-detention-centres/news-story/db28676fea626281162f8960168449e5

    EVERY child locked up in Australian immigration detention centres is free for the first time since Labor’s shameful ­record of 8469 kids being ­incarcerated under Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

  62. June 1, 2016 9:43 pm

    never change,,,,,No point in arguing with them. I am the only person who posts on this blog who voted for Howard in 2007,,,,, #white.power!!!! ,, #tea.pride!!!!

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2016 9:48 pm

    Devil take the hindmost! Inside the IPA and Leyonhjelm’s Libertarians
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/devil-take-the-hindmost-inside-the-hr-nicholls-society-and-leyonhjelms-libertarians,9029

    …Meanwhile, down at the “adult” end of the terrace, Senator Leyonhjelm got stuck into the cigars and basked in the glow of his fans — Sam Kennard, Darren De Bertoli and Matt Barrie.

    There’s some money there. Money that hates government. Dangerous money.

    It was around then I realised what these people want. And why Tregonning and Koh had been invited.

    Libertarians want the freedom to employ staff at as far below award as they can, they see immigrants as a resource to exploit, they resent paying tax, they don’t give a rat’s about the environment, they don’t care about any future but their own.

    And they love to indulge — especially drugs and booze. Sex if they can. The last thing a Libertarian wants is to get busted by a fricken sniffer dog.

    They have a right to do anything they please. And the devil take the hindmost…

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2016 10:12 pm

    wally

    QUEENSLANDER!

  65. June 2, 2016 7:13 am

    Mount-up Teabags. More shock`n`awe.

    Woof-Woof,,,,,The result could be a repeat of 1998 – a sizeable swing to Labor for only a modest return of new seats. Yet for Shorten personally, that would bring an upwelling of affection from the Labor faithful, casting him as a defeated leader who had fought the good fight for `Labor` values – very useful if your challenger is the darling of the rank-and-file, the Left`s Anthony Albanese,,,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016-opinion/election-2016-is-bill-shorten-taking-labor-on-a-secret-twoelection-strategy-20160531-gp84oc.html

    Woof-Woof,,,,,All of this suggests Shorten may well be already thinking about his own survival as leader beyond the horizon. Don`t expect him to use the term or even to accept the logic, but

    the inescapable conclusion is that he has a two-election strategy having concluded months ago that gaining the 19 Coalition seats needed to win on July 2 is unachievable.

    Inevitably, he will deny this as he must. But such thinking would only be prudent.,,,,,

    # ,, Prediction, lots of *\0/* *\0/* *\0/* *\0/* *\0/* *\0/* coming soon!!!!

  66. June 2, 2016 8:15 am

    my-abc,,,,,,Jobs and growth is the mantra

    but the Coalition is also selling `brand Turnbull`.

    The signage behind the Prime Minister at his press conferences

    urges voters to back the `Turnbull Coalition Team`,

    which cuts against the claim that he has lost his lustre.

    `Every election is fundamentally built around a leader,

    particularly in the Liberal Party we put great store by the attributes of the leader and the leader puts his or her stamp on the party,` he said. `This is very much about Malcolm Turnbull as a liberal but

    Malcolm Turnbull’s liberals taking this country through the next decade.,,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-23/contrasting-strategies-of-turnbull-and-shorten/7435828

    # ,, To aid certain `cheerers` in understanding `branding`, this is why you `must` make absolutely certain the `brand-built-leader` is `absolutely-hated` by the public before your team `knifes` him/her, and not just the over-paids that work with him/her.

  67. June 2, 2016 8:34 am

    Labor,,,,,remains unable to think straight about the Greens. How much longer will they continue to waste not only resources but psychic energy on their agonised contemplation of their rivals?

    Until it has been definitively established that it has cost them an election, I guess.,,,,,

    # ,, What? ,, Next month!!! ,, That soon??? (-: (-: (-:

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 9:02 am

    Bolt nails it again: The Greens want snipers to shoot dogs who attack penguins. Killing sharks or crocodiles that kill humans – not so much. Peter Whish-Wilson – just another hypocritical hyphenated hippie.

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 9:09 am

    Libertarians di Natale and the Greens want the freedom to employ staff personal servants at as far below award as they can”

    Fixed it!

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2016 9:36 am

    Yes, that’s interesting. Shoot dogs (that may be pets that have gotten out of the backyard) but leave the sharks alone!!

    Green logic.

  71. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 9:45 am

    Leaving sharks alone is nothing .

    How about catching a flight to Sydney and arriving in Goulburn if you are lucky.

    You see the Greens don’t actually want any airports in Sydney…………

    “52. Oppose the construction of any new large jet airport within the Sydney basin airshed and support the commencement of a process to identify a potential site for the relocation of Kingsford Smith Airport to outside the Sydney basin, taking into account stringent environmental and social criteria;”

    http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/nsw/transport

  72. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 9:47 am

    “wally

    QUEENSLANDER!”

    TB fuck off………………. 🙂

    Seriously I don’t know what Laurie Daley is on about. The Blues just fumbled their way thru 80 minutes.

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2016 10:15 am

    “Seriously I don’t know what Laurie Daley is on about.”

    He’s a wanker from way back: Google “Tooley Daley

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 10:41 am

    wally – in fairness I only watched the second half … family pick-up at the airport and the bloody Topfield stuffed the recording something it rarely does!

    Anyhoore: Daley, are you referring to his dummy spit about refereeing? “cause it was atrocious … why spend millions on vid refs and not use them … BTW QLD wuz robbed more than once!

    Good games from all the rookies on both sides too!*

    Still the MIGHTY MAROONS flag is up and flying on the deck this am!

    GO QUEENSLANDER!

    *and only limited thuggery from the usual suspects …

  75. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 10:43 am

    “………are you referring to his dummy spit about refereeing? ”

    Yup !

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2016 12:53 pm

    Be better next time … we’ve gotcha in the Couldron! Whoo hoo …

    (Where went to see the first State of Orange – for FREE! My mate had four freebies … we had a ball!)

  77. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 1:41 pm

    “… we’ve gotcha in the Couldron! ……….”

    Yep probably………………….anyway back to the ramparts

  78. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 1:45 pm

    “Why not? You couldn’t do his job? ”

    Are you a total fucking dropkick…………..I dont want the job. The pay is shit.

    But what incentive is there for anyone to be enterprising (or even go to Uni) when unskilled shitheads from the CFMEU can earn that in their closed shops (building sites).

    You Lefties are fucking morons !

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 2, 2016 1:58 pm

    You Lefties are fucking morons !

    Walrus you voted for these deadbeats in 2007. Check out Table 4 from this link

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2016-17/content/bp1/html/bp1_bs10-03.htm

    In 2007-08 net debt was minus $44B. That means debt was not zero but less than zero. We had money in the bank earning $1B/year in interest. One of the few countries in human history with no Federal govt debt.

    All gone. Destroyed by Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them

    PS queue TB saying he voted for Rudd because he wants a society not an economy.

  80. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 2:05 pm

    Oh fuck off !

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 2, 2016 2:13 pm

    Can’t handle the truth Walrus?

    Why did you vote for Rudd?

    Debt in 2007 was minus $44B. Not zero but less than zero. Money in the bank. All gone.
    Unemployment was 4.3% and falling.

    What caused you to put a cross for the ALP?

  82. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 3:49 pm

    “What caused you to put a cross for the ALP?”

    Seriously NoS you must sit in front of the TV with a Costco sized jar of vaseline watching John Howard speeches on Youtube with ya pants down by your ankles beating your monkey harder and more harshly than you’d bash a car thief caught in the act.

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 2, 2016 4:21 pm

    To proud to answer the question hey Walrus?

  84. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 4:29 pm

    “What caused you to put a cross for the ALP?”

    Only a fucking circle jerking illiterate like you would mark a ballot paper with a cross.

    I’d trust Duncan to be able to NUMBER the boxes more than you

  85. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 4:51 pm

    That’s a Self Help book ToM.

    I think he’s doing fine jerkin’ his own gherkin

  86. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2016 4:59 pm

    Or Choking Kojak, Adjusting the Antenna,doing the Five knuckle shuffle………….. however you wanna call it

  87. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2016 7:46 am

    I see the libs are using the Governments resources as their own plaything. Born to rule mentality?

    And they are not only doing it in a most underhanded and devious manner (illegal?), they are doing with amazing (and potentially damaging) incompetence.

  88. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2016 7:55 am

    # ,, What? ,, Next month!!! ,, That soon??? (-: (-: (-:

    lol, teambagger takes mark kennys outpourings as gospel, and, even more revealing, revels in it, almost as if he really wants the baccy supporting libs back in power?

    No to both mark n bagz, Shortens denial will be because, his plan, at the moment, is to win. NOW.

    IF he doesn’t, then his plan will be to win next time.

    It’s a fairly simple and straight forward thing, that even kenny twistings and turning can’t really hide.

    And the media wonder why they are becoming more and more irrelevant.

    Seriously NoS you must sit in front of the TV with a Costco sized jar of vaseline watching John Howard speeches on Youtube with ya pants down by your ankles beating your monkey harder and more harshly than you’d bash a car thief caught in the act.

    wally, our own literary pickering.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 9:21 am

    Labor is furious with the ABC over its Vote Compass website, arguing it misrepresents the ALP’s position on election-deciding policies including penalty rates and boat turn-backs.

    But, but, but… vote compass was designed by political scientists and you can’t argue with the science! I mean they’re the experts!

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-labor-in-stoush-with-abc-over-vote-compass-20160602-gpa4xc.html#ixzz4AT17ZVd3

  90. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2016 9:42 am

    Here’s a hint yomm

    New ABC boss Michelle Guthrie has been sent a blistering letter by Labor

    It “may” be scientists (that’s also debatable), but, as the abc has shown repeatedly (eg Nick Ross), they are political pawns for the libs at them moment, and, under this new partisan appointment, it will only get worst.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 9:55 am

    The concept of universal income is gaining ground across Europe as technological advancements make some jobs obsolete. Finland and the Netherlands have pilot programs in the works and a recent poll found that nearly 70 per cent of people across member states would support the idea, The Guardian reports.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/switzerland-to-vote-on-universal-basic-income-in-referendum-on-sunday/news-story/37385386f57f383576cd9689afd13d5e

    Fucking Marx, hey? … and yet the 1%ers will still try to suck the economy dry …

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 9:58 am

    ‘It “may” be scientists (that’s also debatable),

    Heavens! There I was thinking that they spend years studying to gain a qualification, then then post graduate study and more years of research. They’ll have their work peer reviewed and published in independent professional journals.

    But it’s debatable? And the ALP knows better?

    Sounds like the ALP is denying the science.

  93. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:04 am

    Sounds like you are confusing science with marketing. It may have been designed by political scientists, but there are plenty of marketers, journalists and simple managers stirring the pot.

    The ‘scientists’ aren’t responsible for the interpretations included, such as the ones disputed by Labor.

    Garbage in, garbage out. It’s almost an abc motto at the moment.

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:10 am

    Mr Turnbull’s personal rating with voters as Prime Minister is declining at a pace matching his popularity collapse as Opposition Leader, an analysis by Newspoll pollster David Briggs shows.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/approval-decline-of-turnbull-mark-1-and-turnbull-mark-2-in-synch/news-story/47a7cadbe08c95463d5720419d296a14

    And a month to go … !

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:14 am

    A former federal Liberal candidate who campaigned shoulder to shoulder with John Howard has spoken of a shift in political outlook and dismay with his old party that prompted him to join the Greens.

    Neil Ennis, a lifetime Liberal voter who ran twice for the party, including in the seat of Brisbane in 1993, registered as a member of the Greens in February.

    The small business owner represents a sizeable segment of the growing Greens base whose traditional allegiances lean right.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/03/former-liberal-candidate-for-brisbane-joins-greens-saying-hes-ashamed-of-party

    ‘Twill be a close run thing, methinks …

  96. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:16 am

    “The concept of universal income is gaining ground across Europe as technological advancements make some jobs obsolete. ”

    Just like the first home buyers grant helped inflate house prices Universal Income will simply feed into inflation until an equilibrium is reached where the Universal Income will be a barely a subsistent income if even that.

    Its just such an incredibly populist but totally fucking stupid idea

  97. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:20 am

    By the way TB the Iron Duke of Wellington (who was Irish as you know) actually said……….

    “It has been a damned nice thing — the nearest run thing you ever saw in your life”

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:37 am

    So the ABC is lying when they say Vote Compass is designed by political scientists?

    Or are you denying the science?

  99. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 10:51 am

    I trust that the Lunatic Left’s flag counters will be out in force today to ridicule her for the same reasons they ridiculed a former Australian PM………………..lest they be actual fucking hypocrites

    “But lest they were confused as to which country they were in, Clinton surrounded herself with a dozen American flags………….”

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/hillary-clinton-ridicules-donald-trump-do-we-want-his-finger-anywhere-near-the-button-20160602-gpairi.html#ixzz4ATP8JG00

  100. June 3, 2016 11:20 am

    “Its just such an incredibly populist but totally fucking stupid idea”

    It sounds like something Sarah Hanson Young would dream up.

  101. June 3, 2016 11:27 am

    my-abc,,,,,An 18-year-old cadet at the Australian Defence Force Academy (ADFA) in Canberra has been charged over the alleged rape of a fellow Defence member on Saturday.

    The Campbell man was arrested by detectives yesterday and taken to the ACT Watch House, and will appear before the Magistrates Court today.

    He has been charged with sexual intercourse without consent.

    It was alleged he raped an 18-year-old woman while she was sleeping,,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-03/adfa-cadet-charged-with-rape-of-sleeping-woman/7474142

    # ,, l see there is big change and `improvement` over at adfa

  102. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2016 11:43 am

    Or are you denying the science?

    There is no ‘science’ in the application of the scientific tool yomm.

    Scientists may have developed the Internet, but they are not responsible the for stupid you spout.

    Just like the first home buyers grant helped inflate house prices Universal Income will simply feed into inflation until an equilibrium is reached where the Universal Income will be a barely a subsistent income if even that.

    Yes, I had heard that argument against it too wally. It will be interesting to see what Finlands program shows once it has settled in.

  103. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2016 12:17 pm

    Another one bites the dust.

    FWBC action against CFMEU organiser dropped after agency admits it had wrong man

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-02/action-against-union-dropped-after-agency-names-wrong-man/7472874

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 1:05 pm

    # ,, l see there is big change and `improvement` over at adfa

    About the same as the rest of society I’d say … Twankers© are everywhere …

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 3, 2016 1:18 pm

    “About the same as the rest of society I’d say

    I think that comparison is the relevant test.

    Take paedophilia among politicians. That is 100% an ALP problem. For obvious reasons.

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 1:21 pm

    “There is no ‘science’ in the application of the scientific tool yomm. “

    Denier!

  107. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 3, 2016 1:37 pm

    The introduction of universal basic income and legalisation of drugs will undoubtedly bring about the perfect society.

  108. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 1:58 pm

    “The introduction of universal basic income and legalisation of drugs will undoubtedly bring about the perfect society.”

    All the Duncan’s of the World will thrive.

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 2:54 pm

    A leader!

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 3:49 pm

    ARTIFICIAL intelligence and the Internet of Things are changing the way we work.

    In fact, more than 50 per cent of NSW jobs are at risk of computerisation over the next 10 to 15 years, according to the recent Future Workforce Trends in NSW: Emerging Technologies and their Potential Impact Report.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/the-jobs-of-the-future-that-robots-wont-take/news-story/4e6f40db32512e465bec43f66ae98d0b

    Tories of course are still stuck in 1950 … as the world changes around them … one way or another

    “The concept of universal income is gaining ground across Europe as technological advancements make some jobs obsolete. ”

    Just think of all those PS and fat cats who won’t need have a job … nor will we need accountants, financial planners or superannuation “experts” … surely that’s a reason to “seriously” consider it! ~(;-D)

    Then there’s robot cars … no bus drivers, cabs or Uber … train drivers … pilots?

    Maybe we’ll all have to go to church five days a week … we’d need two days rest after that but we shall all be cleansed … praise the lord foe he hath given us the Universal Income …

    The Universal Church of Incoming?

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 4:01 pm

    Speaking of 1950 transposed to the 21st Century …

    Here began the myth of Australia’s classless society – and as that myth yet persists for some, let’s test it. In January, a Sydney cleaner arrived at his premises of work an admirable 45 minutes before his shift. With another worker, he used office facilities to prepare two hot drinks, as other staff had welcomed him to do.

    The cleaner believed he had “good rapport” with the office management and often talked to them. This was perhaps everyone’s mistake: back in 1865, Mrs Beeton herself recommended that “the mistress never converses with her servant, never speaks but to gently give an order, ask a question, or say good morning or good evening.”

    One so inclined could argue that failure to police with rigidity the roles of master and servant explain the poor cleaner’s subsequent fate. On the way to the office lift, a manager stopped him. “You are not allowed to make coffee,” she said. The cleaner apologised.

    Yet the manager remained affronted by the impertinence of his drink preparation, and considered it “serious misconduct”. She reported the incident, escalating her complaint through the chain of subcontractors that lay between her and him. Preparing a cup of coffee without her permission was deemed by his employers to be theft, so the cleaner was fired.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/03/is-australia-egalitarian-ask-the-worker-sacked-for-using-a-post-it-note

  112. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 5:29 pm

    ” … as the world changes around them … one way or another …….”

    I’m still waiting for the paperless office / society.

    Still waiting………………………..

  113. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 5:32 pm

    “……………..surely that’s a reason to “seriously” consider it! ”

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm !

    Shouldn’t we first consider if its sustainable before we consider whether its desirable ?

    Or am I just being my usual fucking self…………………….PRACTICAL

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 5:49 pm

    Or am I just being my usual fucking self…………………….SLOW

    Yep …

    I’m still waiting for the paperless office / society.

    Well in the AI robot world you won’t have a fkn office … see … s-l-o-w

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 6:12 pm

    Even the banks recognise that change is upon them …

    “If we don’t innovate successfully we’re toast,” he told a small gathering of business leaders hosted by free-market think tank The Centre for Independent Studies on Thursday.

    “Not we’ll lose a bit of profit, we’ll lose a few customers — we’re toast. And I’m talking over a decade, not over six months, but it is an existential imperative for us to innovate.

    “And you can just look around and all sorts of parts of the industries that we’re in — whether it is lending or payment systems — you can just see that the legacy business model is not going to work. It’s actually got to evolve.”

    Mr Narev refuted the notion that innovation and technology is only the domain of the start-up, describing Commonwealth Bank as the “big dog sleeping on the porch”.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/banking/ian-narev-says-its-innovate-or-die-for-commonwealth-bank/news-story/727a288aaa1234afb5eda58af2e8bbb9

    Paypal is the 21st Century banking model … thanks, Elon Musk … CEO of Tesla Motors … and little know Founder of – Paypal …

    There’s now and there’s 1950!

    eg my $80 smart watch has arrived* … and is very smart!

    I own two Citizen EcoDrive watches $500+ each … my oldest (1992) has just died and I seriously looked at a Samsung Gear S2 Classic … $500+ …

    Thank you my 21st Century, Chinee frends !

  116. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 6:16 pm

    “Yep … ”

    1) OK lets take the extreme example……………everyone decides they cant be bothered going to work because the guaranteed basic income is enough for them to live on.

    So who pays for it then ?

    2) Let’s take a microeconomic view of it. Let’s say 25% of bakers want to work fewer hours = fewer loaves of bread being produced for same level of demand = prices go up therefore guaranteed basic income is not so generous after all

    Its a fucked idea but I’m not surprised you are backing it

  117. Walrus permalink
    June 3, 2016 6:19 pm

    “………my $80 smart watch has arrived* … and is very smart! ”

    You do realise that as soon as you put that smart watch on your wrist the World will finally have its first living breathing oxymoron.

  118. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2016 6:33 pm

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 3, 2016 7:15 pm

    This election is revelation time for hypocrites like di Natale and Feeney and now we have slumlord and tax avoider Xenophon. Who said leftists aren’t cunts then?

  120. June 3, 2016 7:17 pm

    “Thanks, Elon Musk”

    Wait, TB, isn’t he a one-percenter? A robber baron even? Probably not a Catholic though, so there’s that. 🙂

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 7:21 pm

    Its a fucked idea but I’m not surprised you are backing it

    I’m not surprised you don’t …

    Let’s say 25% of bakers want to work

    And I thought you had faith … would you work with a “foundation income”? … I would … because all my life I’ve wanted to do better … for me … and my family …

    And, I suspect, so have you … that doesn’t diminish those 70% that don’t … the normal state for human beings is the easy way … you and others here agonise over that … why?

    Because it worked for you? The bible says you have to?

    In my case it was for my family … and still is!

    The difference is that I don’t expect other people to be like me or my family and we know we are different … you do expect people to be just like you …

    And BTW … robots will cook better bread than you can … and the poor sods who go to work at three o’clock in the morning … won’t have to …

    Try working a 22:00 to 06:00 hour shift for 12 months!

    WAKE UP!

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 7:33 pm

    Wait, TB, isn’t he a one-percenter? A robber baron even? Probably not a Catholic though, so there’s that.

    Like all the tories here, you miss the point …

    Elon Musk is a 1%er – BUT! He is a true innovator … he has not made is fortune by sucking the economy dry for his benefit but poured it into real INNOVATION … do you use Paypal?

    … not the wordy shite of TurnAbbott who destroyed INNOVATION in this country by following the “leadership” of Tony Abbott and fucking up the NBN – the most important infrastructure this country has ever seen! And he will be reviled for it for decades to come!

    Elon Musk did not make his fortune by sucking the economy dry but by developing the future …

    Attack my comments by all means but don’t confuse Robber Barons with those who genuinely advance society – like Elon Musk (at this stage anyway) …

    … richness (it’s actually a word) can be a virus too … just like silliness …

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 7:34 pm

    TurnAbbott is a True Follower!

  124. June 3, 2016 7:38 pm

    “Elon Musk is a 1%er – BUT!”

    Soo confusing. It’s hard to know who to hate these days. Tories, obviously. And Catholics. But we now have different categories of one-percenters. I wonder how much tax Musk pays?

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 7:48 pm

    But we now have different categories of one-percenters.

    There never has been … it’s just your (and others here) who don’t get the explanation … I’m a capitalist … I retired early because I am a capitalist … but I made sure that I didn’t make money over the suffering of others … ROBBER BARONS don’t give a shit!

    If Elon Musk shuffles his money … like Malcolm Turnbull in the Caymans … he’ll cop the same shit!

    That’s the category!

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 7:48 pm

    TB – and we know we are different …

    Quite…

  127. June 3, 2016 8:02 pm

    “There never has been … it’s just your (and others here) who don’t get the explanation”

    I never have understood your obsession with robber barons, seemingly because I don’t understand the definition. Likewise, I naively assumed the hated one-percenters would included all those in the top one percent. Apparently it depends on certain arbitrary criteria, decided by … someone.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2016 8:28 pm

    Personally I’ve got it in for the top 0.1%. I really loathe the 0.1%, the 1% seem ok.

    To join the top 1 per cent you needed $227,534.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/you-need-how-much-to-be-uber-rich-our-top-earners-are-taking-home-more-20150511-ggyzom.html#ixzz4AVjOuQ3h

  129. June 3, 2016 8:42 pm

    Should (good) one-percenters be receiving billions in taxpayer dollars? I’m not sure, but I’m not the expert in these matters.

  130. June 3, 2016 9:08 pm

    Here’s one for Team Trump(et):

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2016 11:15 pm

    TB – and we know we are different …

    Now that really is putting words in my comments, Thomarse … you could at least make a case – or be creative … on second thoughts that needs thoughts … still playing the man I see … must be a Melbourne thang …

    ———————————————–

    “”” but I made sure that I didn’t make money over the suffering of others … ROBBER BARONS don’t give a shit!”””

    And if that’s too hard to understand … then you have really got a problem with comprehension … among other things …

  132. June 4, 2016 12:09 am

    “but I made sure that I didn’t make money over the suffering of others … ROBBER BARONS don’t give a shit”

    Okay, that’s your definition then? Just so I’m clear, can you give me an example or two?

  133. June 4, 2016 12:11 am

    “And if that’s too hard to understand … then you have really got a problem with comprehension … among other things …”

    Comprehension maybe. The other things would be, what? Tory Catholic?

  134. June 4, 2016 3:27 am

    This is `about` 93% bullshit blubbers,,,,,2) Let`s take a microeconomic view of it. Let`s say 25% of bakers,,,,,

    # ,, First tho, l will also vain gloriously acknowledge you are also `probably-possibly` about 8% or less correct when it comes to franchise out-fits like bakers-delight which depend on murky `supply-side` contracts, and `branding-fees`, and `rock-bottom` employees. Which is the same model as well known krusty-burger and kentucky-duck.

    # ,, Last l heard, 60% of FMCG bread is sold via woolie-coles duopoly, the `price-setters`, supplied via `industrial-bakery-factories`. Considering `ireland`, considering `dairy-supply-chain-woes`, considering `the-aldi-effect`, considering `lidl-coming-soon`, your argument doesn`t hold water. ie-it`s-bullshit

  135. Post Capitalist Post permalink
    June 4, 2016 5:33 am

    (‘Tis all a mystery, perhaps.

    Nevertheless, even the wiki rendition of robber barons seems to subtly ‘rob’ (some) actors of (some of) their agency(ies), awareness(es), and potential(s), by proffer-preferring a(n un)justifiably-‘objective’, historico-(p)recursive, par-‘utilitarian’ calculus.)

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 9:30 am

    Al I can say is thank Christ for, Meta!

    Explained nicely and simply thanks …

    Probably a bit complex for anyone who prefers denial tho’… o_O

  137. June 4, 2016 10:55 am

    “Explained nicely and simply thanks … Probably a bit complex for anyone who prefers denial tho’…”

    I prefer the other kind of simplicity

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 11:47 am

    This is not simple enough?

    the idea that business leaders in the United States from about 1865 to 1900 were, on the whole, a set of avaricious rascals who habitually cheated and robbed investors and consumers, corrupted government, fought ruthlessly among themselves, and in general carried on predatory activities comparable to those of the robber barons of medieval Europe

    As I said … anyone who prefers denial …

    Nothing changes … only the weapons and the faces …

  139. June 4, 2016 11:59 am

    “business leaders in the United States from about 1865 to 1900”

    Can you give an example of that kind of business leader in 2016 Australia?

  140. Tom R permalink
    June 4, 2016 12:22 pm

    Can you give an example of that kind of business leader in 2016 Australia?

    harveyfuckennorman springs to mind

    And the treatment of the Dick Smith brand another

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2016 12:52 pm

    Gerry Harvey is robber barron? Heavens!

    Is Lindsay Fox?

  142. June 4, 2016 1:13 pm

    l seem to recall gina hancock demanding 2-bucks a day slaves from africa, disagree on gerry harvey tho team-cheerer, he didn`t take a salary for years which made boardroom types bleat incessantly, now he takes 50K as wages, gerry is also great on `evaluating` the 95% of very fcuking ordinary management and boardroom types, yes gerry has faults, but he is also great value. FYI woolies fcuked dick-smith electronics

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 3:22 pm

    … he didn`t take a salary for years which made boardroom types bleat incessantly, now he takes 50K as wages …

    Wow he must be a great saver …

    In 2014, the Business Review Weekly assessed Harvey’s net worth at A$1.55 billion; an increase of A$9 million on the 2013 BRW Rich 200 list.

    Gerry’s been ripping us for years!

    Here’s another example Colgate-Palmolive just fined $18 million for washing machine liquid scam along with $9 million for Woolworths $9 million … Unilever not known at this stage and Cussons are at trial v ACCC …

    Not hard to find Robber Barons if you LOOK … 7Eleven?

    C’mon you can try!

    Fkn unions, hey!

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 3:24 pm

    And BTW not all Robber Barons are rich pricks … but they try desperately to be rich – at the expense of others!

  145. June 4, 2016 3:36 pm

    I get it now. Companies are robber barons.

  146. Tom R permalink
    June 4, 2016 3:59 pm

    I get it now. Companies are robber barons.

    You always were smart tosy 😉

  147. Tom R permalink
    June 4, 2016 4:12 pm

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 4:36 pm

    I get it now. Companies are robber barons.

    Close … but not quite … keep trying … here’s a clue – companies don’t breathe …

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 4:37 pm

    TR, actually ToSY’s just trying to be smart 🙂

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 5:32 pm

    ‘Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. The hands can’t hit what the eyes can’t see.’

    RIP …

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 5:40 pm

    IF YOU work in an office every day, start preparing for changes.

    Your role may look entirely different or may not exist at all within a few years, according to a new study from communications software provider Unify.

    More than one-third of so-called knowledge workers — defined in the study as employees who “think for a living,” such as directors and business owners in a variety of fields including healthcare, financial services, public education, automotive and energy/utility — believe the roles they are in today won’t be around at all within the next five years, and 65 per cent think their jobs will look much different.

    Fluctuating work environments, the rise of independent workers and digital transformations will likely play roles in how knowledge-worker positions change in the coming years, the researchers said.

    “The modern work environment is complex, busy and constantly changing,” the study’s authors wrote. “People, specifically knowledge workers, are often the most valuable resource a businesses has, but they too face the onset of change — through new technologies, new entrants into the workforce and uncertainty about the future of their roles.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/will-your-job-exist-in-five-years/news-story/42eac06c1bdc8350db6bb16957d4904e

    Yep, that “stupid” idea about a universal income might just come in handy for a lot of people sooner than we expected … hey?

    The only thing that never changes is change itself …

    Except for Robber Barons and greed!

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 4, 2016 6:09 pm

    So according to TB there is only one group of people who are bad- Robber barrons. Everybody else is OK.

  153. June 4, 2016 6:14 pm

    “Close … but not quite … keep trying … here’s a clue – companies don’t breathe …”

    I see. Can you give me the name of a 21st century Australian robber baron?

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 6:25 pm

    Can you give me the name of a 21st century Australian robber baron?

    Wally … ?

    You really are being silly … ToSY …

    Find out the names of the CEO’s of :

    Colgate- Palmolive

    Cussons

    Woolworths

    Unilever

    Just to start …

    Then have a good look at the people who got away with the shite that caused the GFC … start with Goldman Sachs …

    Dork!

  155. June 4, 2016 6:39 pm

    Okay, now I’m starting to see where you’re coming from. The CEOs of certain publicly listed companies are robber barons. Got it.

    (What about the boards? Or middle management? Or other employees? Or shareholders, who hold shares in a company whose CEO is a robber baron?)

  156. June 4, 2016 6:47 pm

    Robber Baron:

    “Mr. Cook has been a long-time champion of Colgate’s global oral health improvement initiatives.Through the “Bright Smiles, Bright Futures” oral health program, Colgate has reached more than 750 million children in more than 80 countries and in 30 languages with oral health education programs recognized by dental health agencies around the world. In the United States, this program of in-school curriculum, mobile dental vans and community awareness reaches millions of children and is complemented by a commitment to promote professional education in underserved communities.

    “Mr. Cook serves on the boards of Catalyst, the women’s leadership organization, and New Visions for Public Schools, a New York City education organization.”

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 6:56 pm

    The CEOs of certain publicly listed companies are robber barons. Got it.

    Do you understand duty of care and due diligence? Or are you neel’s, cousin?

  158. June 4, 2016 7:04 pm

    “Do you understand duty of care and due diligence?”

    Yes, but I can’t help thinking the description of a public company CEO as a robber baron is quite different to the description of Carnegie, Vanderbilt etc you posted above. Whatever.

    (I will also note that for someone who complains about others playing the man, you’re not too bad at it yourself.)

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 8:21 pm

    Thank you … we all reap what we sow! (Galatians 6:7) 😀

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 8:24 pm

    Yes, but I can’t help thinking the description of a public company CEO as a robber baron is quite different to the description of Carnegie, Vanderbilt …

    Robber Barons come in many shapes and sizes …

    I’m watching a TV series right now (fiction) that deals with Robber Barons … its from Denmark (subtitled) called – Follow The Money …

    You might find it interesting …

  161. June 4, 2016 8:39 pm

    “Robber Barons come in many shapes and sizes …”

    Whatever you want to define them as, evidently.

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2016 11:07 pm

    Still trolling ToSY … chuckle …

  163. June 5, 2016 3:58 am

    Yes teebz, `thrilla-in-manilla` and `rumble-in-da-jungle` will be getting another run on sbs soon #cassius.clay

    lt`s also nice to see the return of troll-foil`osy running his flat-earth defense of paper-entities and (un)kristian, (un)charitable attitudes that would make cheeses and his dog proud.

  164. June 5, 2016 6:14 am

    More,,,,,than one-third of so-called knowledge workers — defined in the study as employees who ”think for a living,” such as directors and business owners in a variety of fields including healthcare, financial services, public education, automotive and energy/utility — believe the roles they are in today won’t be around at all within the next five years, and 65 per cent think their jobs will look much different,,,,,

    # ,, Looks like a good way to fcuk-up their own pay-grade and inflict more misery on the `down-stream` work-force and help some of the businesses crash`n burn. #nothing.new

  165. June 5, 2016 9:13 am

    “Still trolling ToSY … chuckle …”

    Good argument. 🙄 I think we all know who’s trolling.

    I’ve asked you several times to name just one present day Australian robber baron. (You know, the ones you bang on about, every hour of every day.) But you haven’t, because there isn’t one who could live up (down?) to your imagined boogeyman. Your robber baron mantra in the context of modern Australia would be exposed as meaningless.

  166. June 5, 2016 9:44 am

    As you know tinfoil`osy it`s all about `choice`, and some prefer the choice of standing safely in the middle of their flat-earth listening to stories about `talking-snakes` in `apple-gardens` from their `moldy-book-of-cheeses`, instead of the very frightening `choice` of practicing the teachings of `cheeses` or thinking for themselves, in case they fall off the edge.

  167. June 5, 2016 9:55 am

    Just watch insiderp on my abc, there has been a lot of Talkbull clips running negative line, the `swoon`level must be dropping for Talkbull, as he has turned away from his `charm` and resorting to the negative stuff, he didn`t even last to `half-time` to the election. Very telling.

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2016 12:10 pm

    Being a robber baron is a state of mind, and you don’t have to be rich (apparently).

    So anyone can be a robber baron!

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2016 12:24 pm

    Nice try lads … but it don’t wash … you know what a Robber Baron is … playing dumb doesn’t really suit either of you …

  170. June 5, 2016 12:42 pm

    Since when do cat-licks `play` dumb???? ,, lt`s entrenched.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2016 12:53 pm

    I found this article very interesting …

    POLITICIANS are in full election mode, arguing any topic they feel will win votes, from marriage equality to national broadband — but they are failing to address the key value held by Australians, a landmark survey has revealed.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/revealed-australians-value-care-for-the-elderly-housing-affordability-and-accountability-above-all/news-story/a0bc3bd8ab02c8e5be249effdec519bc

    It also give you an opportunity to take the survey. It also shows Australian values compared to other countries in the world …

  172. June 5, 2016 2:05 pm

    lt is no surprise the `results` support our NON-teabags teebz, but when l see this from Limited-News,

    ,,,,,News Corp Australia has joined forces with more than a dozen leading organisations from corporate Australia, charities, the university sector plus individual philanthropists to run a national competition for ideas that can solve some of the country’s toughest problems,,,,,

    l tend to suspect it is just another `topic` Limited-News will/wants-to/end-up mangling and/or wrecking in the same manner Limited-News has shit-canned every other idea such as `renews` and `nbn`. When was the last time you `actually` saw Limited-News `lobby` in either the `national-good` or `betterment-of-citizens` instead of corporates.

  173. June 5, 2016 6:44 pm

    “Nice try lads … but it don’t wash … you know what a Robber Baron is … playing dumb doesn’t really suit either of you …”

    Yeah, no worries TB. Name one. Just one!

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2016 7:03 pm

    Name one. Just one!

    See above … gormless! FMD! Troll or not to troll! Named! FFS!

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2016 7:05 pm

    LOL! Just in my inbox!

    .I wouldn’t be where I am today without my dad. Raising me as a single father, I was the main object of everything he wanted to achieve.
    https://www.liberal.org.au/
    T–
    I wouldn’t be where I am today without my dad. Raising me as a single father, I was the main object of everything he wanted to achieve. He didn’t have much money but he worked hard and sacrificed so that I could go to school and achieve what he couldn’t.

    This election will decide the kind of country our children and grandchildren will inherit. We owe it to them to do what is necessary to leave them with a strong Australian economy and a secure future.

    Please watch and share this video with your friends. (https://www.facebook.com/malcolmturnbull/videos/vb.53772921578/10154307193016579/?type=2&theater)

    Regards,

    Malcolm Turnbull
    Prime Minister

    Desperate or what … no wonder the trolls are busy!

  176. June 5, 2016 7:08 pm

    “See above … gormless! FMD! Troll or not to troll! Named! FFS!”

    Still no name.

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2016 7:37 pm

    Looks like Malcolm is worried. I think this may be the first election i will not give the Liberal Party my No 1 vote. My MP is one the 53 who voted for Turnbull. There is an Independent running who used to be a Liberal party guy so i may put him first and Liberal Party second. I guess they will eventually get my preferences but i could never vote ALP.

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2016 8:08 pm

    Yer a dick, ToSY … or pissed every night … or just lonely … you even named the CEO of Colgate Palmolive yourself … $18 million fine for cartel behaviour … cheating consumers is fkn fraud …

    The PM of Iceland?

    What has happened to the Panama Papers? Come to think of it!

    … and you think that’s OK? ‘Cause he play the good guy? Naïve or just stupid … ?

    Give it a rest …

  179. Nameless In Gaza permalink
    June 5, 2016 9:17 pm

    (So anyone can be a robber baron!

    Could be.)

  180. June 5, 2016 9:38 pm

    “Yer a dick, ToSY”

    Yet still no name. The

  181. Later In Life permalink
    June 5, 2016 11:09 pm

    (Desperate or what …

    Curiously enough, it might have been the case that every time young Oedipal-Malcolm returned from holidaying in America, he was oozing with voluble venom for dear-old, free-spirited, remarried Mom; and that he might have been just as kindly outspoken about his loser Dad, battling away, literally and figuratively, to make Malcolm the centre of his Father’s world. An angry young man, utterly deprived, by his own account, no matter his considerable material circumstances or apparent relative advantages, might have been the impression he gave to peers at the time. That kind of ‘loyalty’ no doubt shines through in his retrospective?)

  182. June 6, 2016 12:12 am

    “Yer a dick, ToSY … or pissed every night … or just lonely ”

    Hmm. Is that addressing the argument, or playing the man? They’re the words of a very small man, if you ask me,

    Name just one robber baron.

  183. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2016 9:56 am

    Has anyone noticed that the initials of our 2 major political leaders are BS and MT ?

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 10:06 am

    So anyone can be a robber baron!

    Yep! And there’s plenty of wannabes!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Name just one robber baron.

    Here’s another one … from above (thanks TR) Gina Rinehart … money at any cost – especially other people’s … from $2 an hour to nuclear weapons to her children.

    You’ve been told already, ToSY. More than one. Comprehension skills 0/10.

    I played the “ball” and scored. You want to keep playing me … so yes I played the “man” deliberately. dick.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    wally, I had noticed BS … but missed MT I must say … about sums it up, actually …

  185. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2016 10:12 am

    …Name just one robber baron…

    I will name the entire 1% of the world’s wealthiest.

    The economy is run by and for them, they are so powerful that they own and control governments. That’s a robber baron.

    That 7-11 owner who set up a business model based on the illegal underpayment of wages to mostly foreign workers would have to be a robber baron [and all his underlings who knowingly operated the slavery are complicit]

    Financial capitalist system – all robber barons. Rupert Murdoch – one of the worst.

    Gina rinehart – most definitely.

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 10:22 am

    To some extent you are right, KL. People like Graeme Wood who gave $1m to the Greens (and no owns them according to Xenophpon’s rule), or George Soros who made his billions attacking the currencies of countries with speculative market manipulation are obviously thieving leftys. But surely the worst of the worst are other leftists like the Kim family in Korea, the Castro brothers who have kept millions of Cubans in poverty for half a century, Obama’s chum Hugo Chavez who has driven the people of Venezuela to economic disaster, Mao who murdered at least 30 million of his own people, Pol Pot and his attempt to live the leftist dream. The true monsters are leftists of that ilk – collectively the greatest mass-murderers in history.

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2016 10:33 am

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2016 10:50 am

    I’d look first at conservative catholics

    TB has a twitter account?

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2016 11:04 am

    Here’s another one … from above (thanks TR) Gina Rinehart … money at any cost – especially other people’s … from $2 an hour to nuclear weapons to her children.

    So Gina pays her workers $2/hr. Link?

    Gina actually gives people jobs. If people think digging up iron ore is easy home come everybody is not doing it?

  190. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2016 11:08 am

    Name just one robber baron.

    Do you mean apart from all those already named, name just one?

  191. June 6, 2016 11:11 am

    ” from $2 an hour to nuclear weapons to her children”

    Goodness. I hope her children aren’t getting paid $2 an hour or they might get upset and nuke us all.

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2016 11:20 am

    …Dear, oh dear, as Malcolm’s approval rating sinks by the day, and the eight-week campaign starts to look like a possibly fatal error, the right are going ever so slightly off the rails. There was a whole crop of crazy, which there is no point going through, except for low blows and shits ‘n’ giggles, as the whole squad falls apart. So let’s get started …

  193. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2016 11:39 am

    Quick poll

    How many people here think a newly minted Muhammad Ali would/should have been allowed to ask a question on Q&A?

    Hypothetically speaking 😉

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2016 11:44 am

    To some extent you are right, KL. People like…

    Doesn’t matter if their politics are left or right sb, a robber baron is a robber baron. It’s how they create, make and keep their $ that defines them.

    New-tech moguls: the modern robber barons?
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/jul/01/new-tech-moguls-robber-barons

    Monopolies, collusion, cartels and corporate corruption and abuse of power are all examples of robber barons.

  195. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2016 11:46 am

    Monopolies, collusion, cartels and corporate corruption and abuse of power are all examples of robber barons.

    And that would encapsulate the likes of Eddie Obeid etal too.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 11:51 am

    Like this one … KL

    Nationals deputy leader Fiona Nash has lashed Bill Shorten over his “prehistoric” comments about women organising childcare.

    Senator Nash has called on the opposition leader’s female colleagues to denounce the “disgraceful” statement about men relying on women to look after day care.

    “That is prehistoric language and I’m extremely surprised that Tanya Plibersek and other Labor women haven’t come out and condemned Bill Shorten for making those comments,” she told reporters in Tamworth on Monday.

    Here’s part what he said (the “bad bit” apparently) …

    “When I think of a family sitting on the couch, I understand how frustrated working mums are with the logistics of childcare,” he said.

    “I understand how difficult it is for a working woman with the kids trying to work out how on earth does she go to work if 80 per cent of what she’s earning gets eaten up in childcare fees?

    “Let’s face it, men in Australia rely on women in Australia to do the childcare and to organise the childcare.

    “So what I would say to the family sitting on the couch is this: ‘I’ll make sure that it’s easier for both of you to go to work if that’s what you choose to do’.”

    And oddly enough this is a Change.org petition aimed at Michaelia Cash …

    Something needs to be done about our country’s appalling childcare situation. I work 3 days a week and receive childcare rebate that is capped at $7,500 per child. I’m not eligible for childcare benefit, but by no way am I well off. My job pays well, yet currently since my Childcare rebate has run out I am actually paying to go to work. Only to keep my place in the workforce and keep building my superannuation. Yes, it’s my choice to work, but with cost of living these days, the choice is really out of my hands. Plus, why shouldn’t I be able to work? Just because I’m a mother doesn’t mean I have lost all interest is having a career and life outside of my children. Yet, in this so called ‘lucky country’ this right costs me money? My husband runs his own business so I do all childcare pick ups and drop offs and I’m the one who rushes to pick up my children when they’re unwell. My sick leave runs out, my work doesn’t get done. However, on the days I am at work. I work hard, I’m focused and determined to set a good example for my children. Yet this is not appreciated or considered by the leaders of our country. I’m expected to work for very little or for free. In a world where women are supposedly encouraged to return to work and women are considered equals……how is this even fair? We’re expected to suck it up and if we don’t like it just get a new job or quit all together? This situation is completely unfair and ridiculous. I know I’m not the only one in this situation, it’s time to change Australia!

    I seriously guess that most working mothers and fathers would agree!

    As grandparents we’ve relieved a lot of that load for our kids … not everyone has that benefit …

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 11:57 am

    It’s how they create, make and keep their $ that defines them.

    Yep, KL …

    Why does it have to be political? Why does it have to be so difficult to see that Robber Barons are just that … thieving leeches … Is it because wannabe’s – wannabe?

    Why so defensive of Robber Barons?

    Note: All rhetorical questions … we know the answer.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 12:07 pm

    From KL’s link to Christine Milne’s tweet.

    Interesting “numbers game” … AU Peabody “owes” bankrupt US Peabody companies …

    “In 2015 Peabody Australia lost $2.7bn … its Australian operations owe $5.7bn in intercompany loans to US subsidiaries named in bankruptcy filings,” Barnden said in a statement. “The holding company has negative equity of $6.5bn … the 2015 financial statements reveal a net current asset deficiency of $4.8bn. Despite this the financial statements say reasonable grounds exist to believe the company is solvent.”

    And further down …

    “The extreme financial distress faced by Peabody Australia raises questions about just how reassured we can be that the company remains solvent,” Barden said. “Mr Frydenberg needs to revisit the assurance he provided in April in light of the information available in the recently released financial statements.”

    It was also revealed on Thursday that multinational mining giant, Glencore, will close its Tahmoor coalmine in New South Wales by early 2019 with the loss of 350 jobs, the latest victims of low prices hurting the sector

    The future of coalmining in Australia has become a contested issue in the election campaign.

    The mining industry is demanding the resignation of Labor candidates who have signed a 350.org “pledge” porting a ban on fossil fuel subsidies an end to political donations from fossil fuel companiesand is lobbying mine workers to vote against parties who “threaten” their jobs.

    (My bold)

    Who owns the Liberal Party? Fossil fools supporting fossil fuels!

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2016 12:54 pm

    Political correctness gone right-wing
    https://overland.org.au/2016/06/political-correctness-gone-right-wing/

    …Think of the tearoom bigot who, once upon a time, could voice old-fashioned sexism or racism without challenge. These days, he (schooled by Andrew Bolt and the like) moans about political correctness when, for the first time, a workmate answers back. In that scenario, he’s objecting to someone else exercising a privilege that previously he’d monopolised. He’s complaining, in other words, about freedom rather than censorship: upset that someone who’d once mutely endured bullying now feels able to say, ‘Actually, I don’t like it when you call me that name.’

    While it might be uncomfortable to be thus challenged, it’s scarcely censorship. It’s still not censorship if the one-time bully thereafter feels constrained about voicing certain opinions because he realises other will think less of him if he does…

    …Behold the authentic voice of right-wing political correctness, increasingly the common sense of Australian conservatives. Free speech belongs only to those we like – and everyone else should be crushed like bugs…

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2016 1:26 pm

    Here’s part what he said (the “bad bit” apparently) …

    Sounds true to me TB and certainly what other working women with young kids tell me too. That change.org petition is spot on with the reasons women do not advance in career and superannuation/finances as men do. They are also pilloried by society if they choose career over children too. It’s a bit of a no win situation.

    I hope this guy gets annihilated at the ballot box

  201. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 2:36 pm

    That Sparrow twat is at least funnier than Brendan O’Neill, KL. Not nearly as smart mind you but way funnier. His whine about the left’s war on ANZAC encountering some resistance was hilarious. He forgot to mention the billions of government funding tipped into unis to prop up the dumb leftist view of history. In fact none of his bullshit blathering holds up. Conservatives aren’t the ones who have introduced and enforced speech codes. It takes a particularly dumb and obnoxious leftist to do that. The last serious attempt was Underpants Conroy and the idiot ALP and their stooges like Finklelfuckwit trying to censor the press. Jeff forgot about that in his little list of lies. And he forgot that the attempt by the Libs to lessen the coverage of the anti-free speech legislation sent the left into paroxysms of rage. At least his article did convince me of one thing – the stupidity of governments funding the likes of Overland – tripe produced by the stupid for the stupid – lap it up lefties!

  202. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2016 2:39 pm

    trying to censor the press

    I think you mean “adhere to the same guidelines” as broadcast press is subjected too.

    Unless of course you have some evidence of this so called “censorship”?

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 2:50 pm

    The world would be infinitely worse off it wasn’t for many of those in the one percent. The whole idea is that if you come up with something that lots of other people think is valuable then you get very wealthy. That way everyone is better off.

    In a world dominated by jealous leftist mongrels there is only stagnation and starvation. No one is allowed to make a profit without some jealous green-eyed loon wanting to appropriate it.

    The true enemies of humanity are not the people who innovate, make things and get products to market. The real enemies are the mongrel leftists who want to fuck up the system to make themselves feel important and virtuous. Whether it is the ALP and the Greens drowning people at sea, Lenin starving people to death, Mao with the cultural revolution or Che Guevara personally executing 10,000 Cubans, leftists are the enemy of humanity.

    It is increases in wealth that have given us the ability to live comfortably and for a long time relative to other times in history. Leftists have never created wealth. And the really sad fact is that they don’t even care. It is all very well for upper-middle class leftists (and leftism is a recreation of the upper-middle class – the stupid ones at least) to complain about wealth creators. That merely means they are all right Jack and they don’t give fuck about really poor people.

  204. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2016 2:54 pm

    Leftists have never created wealth.

    Pretty sure Bill Gates is pretty left in his leanings, as is the author of Harry Potter, just to name a couple off the top of my head

  205. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:08 pm

    “Unless of course you have some evidence of this so called “censorship”?”

    Go fuck yourself you stupid troll. We’ve had this argument before. In the end Underpants dropped his censorship legislation because the people would not wear it. Sure the ALP would like to shut up its media critics. But the Australian people saw right through that ham-fisted attempt at fascist subversion of the press.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:08 pm

    Here is Victoria, the ALP government is about to sell out a volunteer organisation (CFA) to appease a unionised metro group of firemen.

    This is likely cause significant disaffection with the ALP, at the next election available opportunity.

    The deal is typical of ALP powerbrokers – just appease the unions and F**K anyone who shows goodwill and community spirit.

  207. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:09 pm

    for mista ‘go fuck yerself’

    https://theconversation.com/conroy-proposes-media-reforms-the-experts-respond-12769

  208. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:16 pm

    Are you able to explain just how the CFA is being “sold out” for us non vics yomm?

    (this could be interesting)

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:19 pm

    That explains it then – that silly fucker Gates has been giving it away lately.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:23 pm

    The whole idea is that if you come up with something that lots of other people think is valuable then you get very wealthy.

    Shit! Even you miss the point, sb … deliberately or just trolling … its the way that some of them go about making their wealth and then how they maintain or expand it that’s the problem … its not a complicated concept …

    I admire people who develop stuff from the ground up or build a successful career from nothing via hard work and determination … (not all Robber Barons earn it initially BTW … some start with a large fortune … and end up with a small one 🙂 )

    And I still hold copyright to stuff I wrote … and occasionally flog some …

    It is increases in wealth that have given us the ability to live comfortably and for a long time relative to other times in history.

    Not everyone … certainly not the bottom 50% … and the 1% don’t get there all by themselves BTW they need help … and many nick ideas from their union member employees!

    And the really sad fact is that they don’t even care. It is all very well for upper-middle class leftists (and leftism is a recreation of the upper-middle class – the stupid ones at least) to complain about wealth creators. That merely means they are all right Jack and they don’t give fuck about really poor people.

    It is all very well for upper-middle class leftists (and leftism is a recreation of the upper-middle class – the stupid ones at least) to complain about wealth creators.

    Yer still missing the point … its about wealth abusers, who steal, cheat, deceive and lie themselves into wealth and its maintenance … not genuine creators … and there are many wealthy philanthropists …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Swiss have rejected the Universal Income …

    Based on a partial count of results from 19 Swiss cantons (states) on Sunday, the gfs.bern polling group calculated that 78 per cent of voters opposed the measure against 22 per cent in favour.

  211. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:23 pm

    Tom R, can you explain why the union brought an action in the first place and got its union crony mate to rule in tis favour? Safety issues I suppose? Hahahaha.

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:26 pm

    (this could be interesting)

    Agree …

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:29 pm

    For ToM, TR, sb … a link always helps …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-06/victorian-premier-returns-from-us-trip-for-cfa-showdown/7479856

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:30 pm

    On my first read I’m not inclined to agree with …

    “The proposed EBA undermines volunteers, our culture, allows the UFU [United Firefighters Union] operational and management control of CFA and are discriminatory.”

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:38 pm

    The union doesn’t cover the CFA area, and the notion that a volunteer group has to consult and agree with a union is bizarre – but there we are – that’s the ALP and unions for you.

  216. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:41 pm

    “In 2015 Peabody …….Australian operations owe $5.7bn in intercompany loans to US subsidiaries named in bankruptcy filings,………“The holding company has negative equity of $6.5bn … the 2015 financial statements reveal a net current asset deficiency of $4.8bn.

    “The extreme financial distress faced by Peabody Australia raises questions about just how reassured we can be that the company remains solvent,” Barden said.

    Actually not necessarily. If they are reading straight off the financials the $5.7bn would already be included in the net current asset deficiency of $4.8bn.

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 3:49 pm

    “Shit! Even you miss the point:”

    Shit, even you miss the point: which was that I was replying to an attack on all one-percenters, not jus those who earn their money in a way you don’t approve of.

    “Not everyone … certainly not the bottom 50% “

    Everyone. Including the bottom 50%.

  218. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2016 4:12 pm

    Is there a problem afflicting the CFA that is soooooooooooo bad that only the Union can fix it. From the other side of the border it seems to me that the CFA has functioned admirably well in the past.

    Clearly I must be completely mistaken in that observation.

    So the Union is riding to the rescue of the CFA I assume ?

  219. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2016 4:21 pm

    ROFLMAO…………

    Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery in 2005:

    “But since 1998 particularly, we’ve seen just drought, drought, drought, and particularly regions like Sydney and the Warragamba catchment – if you look at the Warragamba catchment figures, since ‘98, the water has been in virtual freefall, and they’ve got about two years of supply left, but something will need to change in order to see the catchment start accumulating water again…. So when the models start confirming what you’re observing on the ground, then there’s some fairly strong basis for believing that we’re understanding what’s causing these weather shifts and these rainfall declines, and they do seem to be of a permanent nature…”

    And here are the facts…………………….

    Warragamba Dam
    Monday 06 June
    Percentage Full 92.9%
    Percentage Change in Last Week 5.9% increase

    http://www.waternsw.com.au/supply/dam-levels/greater-sydneys-dam-levels

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 4:47 pm

    If they are reading straight off the financials the $5.7bn would already be included in the net current asset deficiency of $4.8bn.

    But wouldn’t they be insolvent? And they owe to the US companies … deliberately complex? Doing a Clive Palmer?

    Flannery was never going to be right we both know that … but I will make another prediction … there will be another drought … 🙂

    SE Qld is now criss crossed by pipelines between dams and that will make a difference.

  221. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 5:10 pm

    Of course this election is the last chance to save the reef according to Tim. Just like Copenhagen and every other climate summit has been the last chance. I’m sure Tim has done very nicely playing Chicken Little.

  222. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2016 5:12 pm

    “Is there a problem afflicting the CFA”

    The problem is that it is not unionised. And now the Unions have taken over the running of Victoria they will just have to knuckle under.

  223. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2016 5:26 pm

    “But wouldn’t they be insolvent?”

    Technically Yes however it also depends upon whether they have guarantees of ongoing support from their lenders and whether their asset valuations are recent and correct

    They probably are insolvent but you cant always judge that just from the financials as they might be able to trade out of their difficulties.

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 5:42 pm

    … just from the financials as they might be able to trade out of their difficulties.

    But doesn’t that article say that their creditors are the US Peabody companies who have opted for bankruptcy?

    And isn’t trading insolvent illegal?

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2016 6:11 pm

    … but I will make another prediction … there will be another drought …

    But there are better solutions than zillion dollars desal plants. As usual the ALP went for the wrong solution.

  226. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2016 6:24 pm

    “And isn’t trading insolvent illegal?”

    Yes but you are missing my other point being they may have the support of their lenders.

    I’m just saying that the financials often do not tell the entire story but they are a good place to start.

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 6:54 pm

    “Suppor from their leaders”

    … meaning Peabody US?

    Or the Australian Government subsidies and guarantees?

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 6:55 pm

    But there are better solutions than zillion dollars desal plants. As usual the ALP went for the wrong solution.

    Like what … criticise by all means … but offer an alternative …

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2016 6:59 pm

    Trump’s World?

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/philippines-presidentelect-rodrigo-duterte-sparks-street-executions-after-public-call-to-arms/news-story/ca7a9b93e7048b60e961354cf36ffe87

    Be careful what you wish for …

    What happens when the drug dealers turn out to be innocent grudge …

  230. June 6, 2016 7:23 pm

    I find it hilarious that either Herr Bolt doesn’t care (kudos) or is unaware that three qtrs of his ‘base’ are ‘christian’ conservatives.

    As soon as I read the short diatribe, I knew they’d be pissing their knickers in comments. They don’t fail to disappoint. For some reason, a shitload of them can’t separate ‘christian’ from ‘conservative’; although, despite the obvious logical contortions involved, they love to pile on Islam (conservative as fuck!).

    Amusing…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/another_hung_parliament_coming/#commentsmore

  231. June 6, 2016 7:25 pm

    * they don’t fail to disappoint OberstBolt, I should’ve said

  232. June 6, 2016 7:26 pm

    Cheer-up teabags, no need to get all shrill and unhinged just because 25% of voters are saying they won`t vote for either team, just sit back`n relax and tune-in to my abc and watch windsor give bananasby a spanking qandaland tonight (-: (-: (-: (-:

  233. June 6, 2016 7:34 pm

    Please be quiet, I’m trying to watch the Bolt Report.

    (Is an Uber Capitalist the owner-driver of an unmarked taxi?)

  234. June 6, 2016 7:41 pm

    and,,,,,F**K anyone who shows goodwill and community spirit,,,,,

    # ,, `community spirit`, `goodwill`, clearly `your` fields of expertise

  235. June 6, 2016 7:50 pm

    “Please be quiet, I’m trying to watch the Bolt Report.”

    Rupert’s bitch. 😉

    * you know his shit is actually free? he just tricks cnuts into paying for it.

    (joking, but not joking )…fuck, it’s been so long since I tried to italicise like dat, I almost forgot (myself)…)

    No discernible retort to the differentiation between ‘conservatives’ & ‘christians’ btw? Not the same beast. Was faint praise of AdjutantBolt, if read how intended by the author.

  236. June 6, 2016 7:52 pm

    * I almost forgot how to spell too…

  237. June 6, 2016 7:58 pm

    Guffaw. Practice makes perfect.

  238. June 6, 2016 8:07 pm

    Almost out of political engagement…and practice.

    But oddly compelled to read & sporadically comment again, maybe. 😯

  239. June 6, 2016 8:20 pm

    Heh. I know the feeling.

  240. June 6, 2016 9:16 pm

    Lol @ ToSY’s video… 🙂

  241. Alpha permalink
    June 7, 2016 12:21 am

    (l tend to suspect…

    I try not to be quite so suspicious. Still, a My Big Idea campaign(?) format does seem an interesting take on a co-operative ad-venture with the Australian Futures Project and the Barrett Values Centre (the Centre’s surveyed by-country dominant vis-a-vis desired values rankings really are quite informative)…

  242. Beta permalink
    June 7, 2016 12:22 am

    …A more cynical iteration, however, might be persuaded to observe that NewsCrop has been somewhat busy of late attempting to insinuate its business into the lucrative conferences sector, B2B and industry ‘leaders’ events predominantly; even some with peak engagement being a key selling point; a busyness practise perhaps already better-developed overseas, where manufacturing and selling ‘the political’ has almost become a beginning- and end-product in itself, for those participants apt to appreciate decalogue games?)

  243. June 7, 2016 6:06 am

    (Realist`s could not easily over-look Limited-News recent Corporate-Adventuring-And-Parasite-ing campaigning for copper-injected-node non-networks, or sun-proofing and wind-proofing of burnable-dirt. Nor can realist`s over-look Limited-News sponsorship of anti-personal-Liberty`s to defend mythical sky-critters fears. There is little chance of Limited-News redemption from their support of [corporate-gulag operators off-shore taxpayer-funded enrichment programs with laundered financial feedback-loops for both teams] either.)

  244. June 7, 2016 7:37 am

    (The alarmist-warmist-pinkist-lefto`s are at it again, creating king-tide mythology, just because the east-coast is getting a little washing this week. Hockey-stick graphics provided by the ipa prove irrefutably there is no polar-icecap-melt increasing the ocean`s volume or increasing fictional king-tide frequency or power.)

  245. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 9:41 am

    “Or the Australian Government subsidies and guarantees?”

    Yeah……….just like one of those Failed/Failing Renewables companies

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 9:48 am

    Yeah……….just like one of those Failed/Failing Renewables companies

    They need to appoint a Robber Baron … hey?

  247. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 9:57 am

    You might note I have stayed out of trying to define a “robber baron”

  248. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 9:57 am

    Does TomR now support Daniel Andrews’ backflip with triple pike ?

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:07 am

    Great work by Danny Andrews, he’s really given a free kick to the Libs over this issue.

    He got involved over the head of his minister, and undermined her negotiations, he’s put the interests of a union in front of a volunteer organisation and he’s about to commit to a deal that will cost HUGE $$$$$

    More evidence that the ALP (and Danny specifically) is the puppet of avaricious unions.

    A deal between the Victorian Labor Premier and the militant firefighters’ union is threatening to hamper Bill Shorten’s push to win seats in his home state.
    With many marginal seats either in Labor’s sights, or needing to be sand bagged, fears are growing that Premier Daniel Andrews’ decision to back in a deal with the United Firefighters Union will damage the ALP campaign.
    Mr Andrews’ controversial decision has infuriated tens of thousands of volunteers who are panicked that it will undermine their work. The CFA board is “seriously concerned” it will reduce their ability to allocate and manage resources.
    Labor’s most marginal Victorian seat is McEwen, which covers bushfire-prone areas and has thousands of CFA volunteers. One of the seats the ALP has the most chance of picking up, Corangamite, is also in a high-risk bushfire zone.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/cfa-crisis-pain-looms-for-federal-labor-in-marginal-fireaffected-seats-20160606-gpcr12.html#ixzz4AqauA2qd

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:18 am

    NBN!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/joyce-slammed-for-suggesting-slower-internet-speeds-sufficient-for-remote-australia/news-story/a5317afee163769544eb30d0205bac68

    “Because one side decided to go for the top standard, the other side had to oppose it — that’s one of the great tragedies of this.”

    As usual, the debate was followed closely by those on social media, many of whom were critical for what they saw as Mr Joyce’s short-sightedness on the issue.

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:35 am

    As I’ve said the CEO of one of the companies involved in building the (ALP) NBN once said to me- ‘it will not be completed, it’s too expensive and ambitious’

    He’s a whole lot smarter than anyone who comments here, smarter too than the politicians.

    So this is the guy who was in charge of rolling out a huge part of the the NBN and stood to make lots of money, but his observation was that the community wouldn’t get value for money.

    Probably a robber baron TB.

  252. June 7, 2016 10:39 am

    That smh item seems to be just slop yomm. l understand why you`re gobbling it down, `firemen` have an `onion`, so you`re running your usual onion-panic. But really, what the hell does `firemen` in boltland, OR `volunteers` in boltland, have the fcuk to do with talkbull and/or federal???? Smells like imbecile fodder to me, or is there more to it in boltland the rest of us have missed????

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:40 am

    ‘it will not be completed, it’s too expensive and ambitious’

    Self-fulfilling prophecy … how the fuck can you say -because he said that – so it will be … unless he knew it was to be sabotaged by the Liberal Party … ?

    Now that’s a Robber Baron! Let’s make a mozza from the taxpayers while we really fuck it up.

    “it will not be completed” ? Tell me how it can be completed … not how it can’t.

    ‘Whether you think you can, or you think you can’t–you’re right.’

  254. More? permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:41 am

    (That’s one way to solve a perceived national deficit of professional firefighters, I guess; not that Greg Hunt seems to have consulted wiki about the frequency, ferocity, or potential need for rapid (multi-)jurisdictional, multi-agency responses to state(s)-based flare(s)-up(s), and the like, recently.)

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:43 am

    Nah yer right tbagz … just another look over there … read the thread above – quite a few LOTs …

    TurnAbbott’s on the run, methinks …

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:54 am

    I know a few volunteers and I think they will be likely to vote against the ALP at the first opportunity,

    On election night I think you’ll observe towns on the outskirts of the city turn on the ALP.

    Pakenhan, Berwick etc, that would normally be inclined towards the ALP. Also around Geelong, where the ALP might have hoped for a swing to them after the closure of Ford.

    Danny has really screwed this up. But that’s hardly surprising because he’s a true f***wit

  257. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:57 am

    “……….perceived national deficit of professional firefighters………..”

    I think we need a few good snipers to take out the scumbag arsonists who create this perception duly swallowed up by the Left that Climate Change is responsible for all the bushfires.

    A National cull of arsonists would be very appropriate and a lot cheaper

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 10:59 am

    TB, you really don’t know what you’re talking about with all the crap about robber barons. Your earlier comment about that particular CEO is proof.

  259. June 7, 2016 11:08 am

    Seems to back me and gerry on boardrooms,

    ,,,,,,As I`ve said the CEO of one of the companies involved in building the (ALP) NBN once said to me- `it will not be completed, it`s too expensive and ambitious`,,,,,,

    # ,, taking the big-bucks, BUT,

    # ,, doesn`t believe in the mission

    # ,, promoted beyond competence

    # ,, creating a `back-door` for future failure

    (yes, yes, l`m sure you`re in `adoration` of him/her)

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 11:34 am

    Your earlier comment about that particular CEO is proof.

    Of what? That he has a negative opinion of the NBN but went ahead and made money from it anyway?

    I’d never employ someone who said … “this can’t be done – but I’ll make a few bob out of it anyway” … you, it seems would …

    Having said that … I’ve only got your “mem’ries” of the “conversation” … I wasn’t there …

    I’s all about interpretation concerning a Robber Baron mindset (in simple terms – I don’t give a flying fuck about anyone else) …

    … what is intriguing/pleasing is that everyone leaning >>>>>>>> is now obsessed with Robber Barons … even after the breed has been thoroughly explained to you in this and other threads … by those who lean <<<<<<<<<<<<<< …

    In conclusion remember Alan Bond? Christopher Skase? Rene Rivkin?

    Read through this article and you may remember some of the names there too …

    https://barnabyisright.com/2013/04/18/massive-fraud-in-australian-listed-investment-company-lic-sector/

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 11:59 am

    No, but he was a whole lot smarter than you (or me or Conroy) and came up with innovative planning and replication models that allowed the NBN program to be more efficient than those existing, but he cautioned politicians and bureaucrats about the degree of difficulty and cost estimations.

    ***the stupid initial cost estimations of NBN bureaucrats were based on contracted Telstra work and never included the types of union intervention, manning and work practices that go with multi billion $ projects. You’d think the ALP union hacks would have realised this – but no, they didn’t

  262. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 12:25 pm

    “… what is intriguing/pleasing is that everyone leaning >>>>>>>> is now obsessed with Robber Barons … ”

    You can count me out of your obsession with the “robber baron” argument. As I said before I cant be bothered with your “Sherwood Forest and Sheriff of Nottingham” rubbish

  263. June 7, 2016 1:23 pm

    Obviously,,,,,he was a whole lot smarter than,,,,yomm and explained-away his own capabilities and leadership deficit as, bureaucrats! onions! difficulty! tasks! and oh&s! which always impresses devout readers of the junior manager handbook.

  264. June 7, 2016 1:33 pm

    blubbers,,,,,Has anyone noticed that the initials of our 2 major political leaders are BS and MT,,,,,

    # ,, Yeah, but you missed the most interesting one. `BJ` which may explain the recent out-bursts of `man-L0ve` for bananasby by our very-own corporate-fluffer #nttawwt

  265. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:17 pm

    the stupid initial cost estimations of NBN bureaucrats were based on contracted Telstra work and never included the types of union intervention

    Got a link for that? So far, Labors initial FTTP models numbers haven’t been shown to be wrong. malcaymans on the other hand have been shown to be as if they were drawn on the back of a napkin

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:28 pm

    TURNABBOTT weak as piss … trying to control the agenda and replies … who would actually be replying?

    THE Prime Minister has announced that he will take part in the first online leaders’ debate to be hosted by news.com.au and Facebook.

    Now he has challenged Opposition Leader Bill Shorten to join the debate.

    Speaking to reporters at Picton, in Sydney’s west, this afternoon, Malcolm Turnbull said the news.com.au Facebook Live format would enable millions of Australians to participate in real time on smartphones and other devices.

    “We have reached agreement with, subject to Mr Shorten participation, with Facebook and news.com.au to hold the first online leaders’ debate,” Mr Turnbull, who is pushing for the debate to be held early next week, said.

    Still hasn’t accepted the Q&A challenge … running scared …

  267. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:28 pm

    The CFA debacle is more about territorial posturing at the top levels than anything to do with firies or volunteers, which makes this interesting

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:29 pm

    … and came up with innovative planning and replication models that allowed the NBN program to be more efficient than those existing,

    I hope you don’t mean the BS NBN we are presently building …???

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:31 pm

    or should I say … having jerrybuilt … or tonybuilt … or mallybuilt?

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:33 pm

    You can count me out of your obsession with the “robber baron” argument.

    And here you are opting in again.

    BTW I’m not arguing … my Robin Hood analogy was to explain that not much has changed … I keep waiting for Richard the Lionheart to turn up … 😉

  271. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:42 pm

    who would actually be replying?

    yabot?

    I’m trying to get them to have a twitter debate

    #stopthewaffle

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:44 pm

    Gawd … The Naked Emperor … has no balls!

    TuenAbbott is a fkn actor … and a really, really bad one … “”a facebook debate would allow every Australian to be involved … its the modern way that a face to face debate can’t match … “”

    .. what fucking nonsense MALfunction … 70-90% of dialogue (communication) is Non Verbal! Something that your minders will have told you, I’m sure … eye twitch, smirk, tone of voice, shift of the shoulders … all the things that complicate limited written English … but tell most people what you really mean …

    What garbage … what happened to treating Australians as educated adults not childish morons …

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:46 pm

    Why don’t we have facebook or twitter trials and save all that money!

  274. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:46 pm

    Seems like not ALL CFA members agree with their liberal appointed board 😉

    malcaymans going to end up with egg over his poor little rich boys face for this I reckon.

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:46 pm

    I think TB, I have already said it was the ALP NBN.

    I’m passing on some details of stuff that is clearly not on the public record and Tom R wants a link!

  276. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:51 pm

    The company you keep hey

  277. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 2:55 pm

    and Tom R wants a link!

    What an idiot, he should just take you at your (dubious) word.

    You said that (Labors FTTP) NBN didn’t take into account certain scenarios. (Labors FTTP) NBN modeling is on public record. Surely you can work out the linkability there?

  278. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 3:04 pm

    fer wally

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 7, 2016 3:40 pm

    I hope you don’t mean the BS NBN we are presently building …???

    And your expertise in this area is what? This NBN is still Labors NBN and was thought up on the back of a drinks coaster on some plane flight because the broadband proposal Rudd took to the 2007 failed.

    My expertise in this area is that most Labor policies do not work.

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 4:13 pm

    So the storms in Sydney are due to carbon emissions Tom R?

  281. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 4:28 pm

    “The company you keep hey ……….”

    Has it been established 100% that its the same person or is this just one of your slurs which can hardly be called “huge” since it involves a former PM

    So Big Fucking Deal !

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 4:35 pm

    Whoo! Getting shrill again … doesn’t take much … hey? 😀

  283. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 4:36 pm

    “fer wally”

    Usual stupid Lefty caption. Those storms roll in every 20 years or so.

    Even I remember the storm of April or May ’74.

    Nothing to see there.

    I’m pissed off that the (apparently all uninsured) residents are blaming the Council and are implying they will seek compensation. If you live by the sea then you got to expect it to get angry from time to time.

    When we moved into Palm Beach we were shown a beach frontage along the ocean just to the South. Mrs Walrus loved it but I was having none of it knowing what can happen every generation or so.

    So we moved to an elevated property with pretty much 360 deg views. And besides I need to be able to scour the area so I can start boiling the oil up on the ramparts as I see my enemies on approach. 🙂

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 4:36 pm

    And your expertise in this area is what?

    Obviously more than you.

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 4:44 pm

    The original estimations didn’t include adequate manning for traffic management or 2 man crews for working in most pits, the original NBN (ALP) estimations didn’t include the cost of basic safety procedures!

  286. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 5:11 pm

    “So the storms in Sydney are due to carbon emissions Tom R?”

    Didn’t you know ToM ?

    Climate Change now causes King Tides

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-07/nsw-storm-cleanup-insurers-may-not-cover-sea-surge-damage/7483720

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 5:28 pm

    … I can start boiling the oil up on the ramparts as I see my enemies on approach.:) …

    Ah! So you do know about Robber Barons!

  288. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2016 5:34 pm

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 5:38 pm

    A guttertrasher!

    sreb? sreb? sreb? Where are you?

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 5:42 pm

    Has Bill Shorten fallen for a sleight of hand?

    Mr Turnbull explained that election campaigns traditionally have three debates between the leaders. He and Mr Shorten have already participated in the Sky News People’s Forum in western Sydney and the National Press Club event in Canberra

    Why only THREE! It’s a fkn long election … believe me, I’ve seen a few!

    … haven’t we, wally? 😀

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 5:46 pm

    Can’t wait for this! But I bet the Liberal Party could!

    KEY insight into one of Australia’s biggest national security leaks will be given when police release the notorious “Page 5” of their investigation into the breach.

    The Administrative Appeals Tribunal has ordered the Australia Federal Police to make public its report on the affair at 9am, June 17.

    It is expected to reveal what police knew and suspected about the leaking, 13 years ago, of a top-secret intelligence paper written for the Office of National Assessment by Andrew Wilkie, now an MP.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/australian-federal-police-ordered-to-release-report-into-one-of-our-biggest-intelligence-leaks/news-story/a172218b82a4e20ea532b2a327c729bb

  292. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 6:16 pm

    Climate Change now causes exacerbates King Tides

    Fixed!

    The original estimations didn’t include adequate manning for traffic management or 2 man crews for working in most pits, the original NBN (ALP) estimations didn’t include the cost of basic safety procedures!

    Like I said yomm, you are making the allegations, you need something to back it up. There has been no contradiction to labors NBN estimations. If there was, they would put it out. The fact they haven’t, shows you are just making shit up.

    Labors NBN was in construction for a couple of years. There was none of your claims found. The only failure was perhaps that the targets were too ambitious, but, that wasn’t going to affect the price.

    So, like I said, put up, or … just keep on making up bullshit 😉

  293. June 7, 2016 6:47 pm

    l wonder if yomm will ever tell us what his daughters thoughts are on rudds-rollout and malcolms-mangling. Had it been the rabbits-rollout (instead of rudds/juliars/previousPMs) and an engineer that worked his way up from unionised-tradie, told yomm it was `too-dear` and `ambitious`, somehow l doubt yomm would be spouting it to us, and he makes no indication of whether he thinks the nation will be better-off with `this-centuries` technology instead of `last-centuries` technology.

  294. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 6:59 pm

    Tom R doesn’t bother to provide any evidence of a link between the storms inSydney and climate change/carbon emissions… but insists on a link to justify personal experience!

    It’s a thing with the unthinking left – TB does the same thing!

  295. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 7:30 pm

    Lol yomm. It’s not like there’s been a lack of links showing just that, but here’s more for ya

    http://takvera.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/cyclone-frequency-declining-while.html

    And I’m not asking for a link to you personal experience I’m asking for something to show labors plan was lacking as you claim . Should notbe too hard should it

  296. June 7, 2016 7:32 pm

    That`s quite funny team-cheerer, they`ve got big-baccy engaging in rampant teabag-panic (good), l really don`t mind big-baccy cacking itself over military-grade packaging, tho l do realize nanny-teamers can`t understand how the NON-aligned that don`t believe in `teabag-topia` also don`t believe in `nanny-nirvana`. (-: (-: (-:

  297. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2016 8:29 pm

    What? That’s your proof that severe storms in Sydney were caused by carbon emissions and climate change!!???

    Very funny.

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2016 8:54 pm

    It’s a thing with the unthinking left – TB does the same thing!

    Do you have a link for that … ?

    Now you really are making shite up … sign of desperation … anyone who reads my comments (and there seems to be a few THOUSAND) will verify that I provide more links than most here … especially YOU.

    Lots of I believe and I thinks from you over the years … just getting snarky isn’t going to get TurnAbbott over the line … I ain’t going away … we know your modus operandi ToM …

    As Wally would say … get fucked …

  299. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2016 9:27 pm

    While you are looking for links yomm, you could perhaps dredge up one where I said storms were ’caused ‘ by agw

    Shouldn’t be difficult, well, compared to your other task it shouldn’t 😉

  300. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2016 9:59 pm

  301. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2016 11:14 pm

    A KEY insight into one of Australia’s biggest national security leaks will be given when police release the notorious “Page 5” of their investigation into the breach.
    The Administrative Appeals Tribunal has ordered the Australia Federal Police to make public its report on the affair at 9am, June 17.

    Religious education under review in Queensland schools after proselytising claims

  302. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 8, 2016 12:13 am

  303. Finite Jest permalink
    June 8, 2016 12:55 am

    (Very funny.

    Very funny, perhaps, is an ‘Our Plan’ for a ‘Strong New Economy’ which doesn’t seem to have undertaken even a rudimentary SWOT analysis; maybe that’s why it sotto voce adverts to itself on a ‘no guarantees‘ basis for this ‘very uncertain world’ we live in, as we ‘transition’ constructively from a ‘mining boom‘ to an ‘ideas boom‘ fuelled by ‘investment‘?)

  304. Finite Jest permalink
    June 8, 2016 12:56 am

    (Nevertheless, Malcolm ‘rainmaker‘ Turnbull & Co, and VC-EO Larry ‘the water-divining science is settled‘ Marshall, no doubt, do have ‘making an impact’ on ‘future prosperity‘, in the ‘public interest‘, well under control; after all, maybe ‘growing the pie‘ still is all there is to existence/life on Earth?)

  305. June 8, 2016 5:40 am

    (Taxpayer-FUNDED warmism-alarmism-pinkism-lefto`s from THEIR-abc are at it again, trying to dupe the public with unproven pseudo-science. Informed readers should not fall for it. Recent ballistic tests conducted by the ipa show conclusively that, for the last three years that the oceans contain exactly the same amount of water in each and every (weekly) period. Outrageous statements, such as,

    ,,,,,what is the impact of higher sea levels on storm surges?,,,,,

    are purely to distract informed readers from recent pie-growing reports, that show to the left`s dismay, a bountiful harvest of pie-crops last quarter.)

  306. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 7:46 am

  307. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 9:22 am

    “…you could perhaps dredge up one where I said storms were ’caused ‘ by agw”

    Fuck you are a bullshitter TomR.

    You are the one that directly linked to this whereby you are clearly implying a direct link to agw.

  308. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 9:24 am

    Here is a written character assessment of TomR

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disingenuous

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2016 10:54 am

    LOL! Guess what!

    https://www.thrifty.com.au/racq-offers.aspx

  310. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 12:32 pm

    implying a direct link to agw.

    I didn’t “imply” it, I SAID IT!

    Search on this thread for someones genius reply that includes the word “exacerbates”

    BUT

    I did not say it “causes” it. It is a little more complex than that

    It’s this thing we call the English language. I’d advice you to learn it someday.

  311. June 8, 2016 12:39 pm

    “I’d advice you to learn it someday.”

    😯

  312. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2016 1:05 pm

    The Age-

    Federal Labor’s move to run bigger budget deficits over the next four years would place Australia’s AAA credit rating at risk, according to three of Australia’s most reputable economists.

    Independent economist Saul Eslake, the Grattan Institute’s John Daley and Industry Super’s Stephen Anthony all said Labor’s decision had increased the risk that Australia’s credit rating could be knocked down a notch by international ratings agencies, which would potentially drive up borrowing costs for federal and state governments and hurt the economy.

  313. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 1:07 pm

    Weĺl said tosy 😉

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2016 1:21 pm

    I think you meant ‘advise’

  315. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 1:34 pm

    I think you meant ‘advise’

    I’d rather have typo’s than be either illiterate or .. what was the word? disingenuous?

    #justsayin’

  316. June 8, 2016 1:34 pm

    blubbers,,,,,Has anyone noticed that the initials of our 2 major political leaders are BS and MT,,,,,

    # ,, Yeah, but you missed the most interesting one. `BJ` which may explain the recent out-bursts of `man-Love` for bananasby by our very-own corporate-fluffer

  317. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 8, 2016 1:40 pm

  318. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 1:42 pm

    It couldn’t be he of Trash fame, could it?

    Has him mum let him Twit?

  319. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 1:47 pm

    Turnbull will tackle Bill anywhere he isn’t

    Lord Buffering is looking quite stupid with his facebook debate I reckon AO

    especially as it starts to buffer.

    That really would be the icing 😉

  320. June 8, 2016 2:25 pm

    Sent: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:10:59 -0800

    blubbers,,,,,Has anyone noticed that the initials of our 2 major political leaders are BS and MT,,,,,

    # ,, Yeah, but you missed the most interesting one. `BJ` which may explain the recent out-bursts of `man-Love` for bananasby by our very-own corporate-fluffer

  321. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 3:36 pm

    “I did not say it “causes” it”

    You are so full of fucking shit. As soon as you are challenged on anything you change your story.

    If you were not implying it caused it then why post a photo with a caption………………..

    “That’s it Liberal Voters, keep ignoring Climate Change”

    Like I said you are just so full of fucking shit

  322. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 3:42 pm

    “That’s it Liberal Voters, keep ignoring Climate Change”

    Because it is impacting on weather systems.

    Please, point out where I ‘changed’ any story.

    Or are you going to do a yomm, demand a link, receive it, and then stamp your little tootsies

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:14 pm

    I think it’s a pretty cheap political shot to post images of houses and property destroyed by storms, and suggest that this is due to the policy stance of one of the parties

    Now if Tom R says his wasn’t what he meant, exactly what is the point he was making?

  324. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:16 pm

    Trust the Libs to take secret donations to a new low.

    Federal ICAC…now!

    Election 2016: MPs giving taxpayer funds to Liberal Party-linked company and donor
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-mps-directing-taxpayer-funds-towards-liberal-partylinked-company-and-donor-20160608-gpe87q.html#ixzz4AxvZ9VtJ

    …You don’t know it, but you might be one of the Liberal Party’s largest donors.
    A company Liberal MPs direct taxpayer funds towards to keep tabs on voter behaviour is becoming a major source of income for the party, raising questions about whether taxpayers are indirectly footing the bill for donations.

    …Fairfax Media can reveal nearly all Liberal MPs pay a company, Parakeelia Pty Ltd, $2500 a year to use “Feedback” software, money understood to come from their taxpayer-funded office allowances.

    Parakeelia is registered to the same inner-Canberra office building as the Liberals. The company’s directors include the Liberal Party’s federal director, Tony Nutt, and president, Richard Alston. It is registered with authorities as being associated with the party.
    Last financial year, Parakeelia transferred $500,000 to the federal Liberal division, making it the party’s second-biggest single source of funds. The year before it came in fourth with $400,000; before that $200,000…

  325. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:22 pm

    “…….you could perhaps dredge up one where I said storms were ’caused ‘ by agw”

    “I did not say it “causes” it”

    So you say the above………and Link to

    “That’s it Liberal Voters, keep ignoring Climate Change”

    But you claim you never said………. “I did not say it “causes” it”

    Well what the fuck does the Link mean then ?

    Like I said you are just so full of shit.

    By the way you never did offer an explanation of why Flannery’s observation of the Reef were acceptable but not Snacty’s mates you hypocrite.

    And how’s Flannery’s predictions on Sydney’s Warragamba Dam doing.

    You very carefully never address any of those little problem areas do you………………..Like I said full of shit

  326. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:24 pm

    “Now if Tom R says his wasn’t what he meant, exactly what is the point he was making?”

    Exactly

    The shithead obviously cant read his own Links

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:24 pm

    Has him mum let him Twit?

    Is that gravatar an egg or tiny penis … neither of them look fully formed.

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:27 pm

    On its own last weeks storm looks like any other bad week of weather … but combined with all the other extreme weather events both here and across the world … floods, snowstorms, droughts, coral bleaching, sinkholes and disappearing islands …

    You would have to consider climate change as a factor …

  329. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:30 pm

    Perhaps the point I was making was the point I have made all along, that agw amplifies these events

    That of course is the most obvious conclusion

    But keep running yer heads around in circles pretending it’s something else 😉

  330. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:33 pm

    Interesting word that TB ‘factor’

    Do ya reckon the brains trust will get it?

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:35 pm

    So the storms in Sydney were “amplified ” by the Libs policy?

  332. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 4:57 pm

    “agw amplifies these events ”

    So AGW now affects the gravitational pull of the Moon, the Sun, and the Earth’s rotation therefore influencing King Tides.

    Yeah I get it !

  333. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 5:27 pm

    So, wally and yomm both said HRRRMFF lol

  334. June 8, 2016 5:35 pm

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has rejected a `decree` from cable channel Sky News and Queensland`s biggest-selling newspaper to appear at a peoples` forum in Brisbane, instead opting for a live Facebook debate next week.

    Sky News hosted a peoples` forum in week one of the campaign at Windsor RSL which averaged only 54,000 viewers.

    A second debate at the National Press Club, hosted by the ABC, scored better ratings but was judged to be dull and overly stilted.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/federal-election-2016-turnbull-rejects-sky-news-decree-in-favour-of-facebook-debate-20160607-gpdf15.html

    ,

    And by the way, we see reports today the Prime Minister is looking for a national debate that`s live and interactive, with questions from Australian citizens and social media. If only such a thing existed.

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4452793.htm

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 8, 2016 5:55 pm

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2016 6:09 pm

    Did I mention massive bushfires overseas and here …?

    Blizzards … melting permafrost in Siberia and elsewhere …

  337. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 6:19 pm

    Or fires like this………..

    “AIC research indicates that Australia has an average of 52,000 bushfires a year with possibly half being either deliberately lit or suspicious.”

    http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/property%20crime/arson.html

  338. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 6:21 pm

    Don’t get ’em going again TB

    I’ve seen enough stoopid for one day.

    wally’s moon rant was the low point for me.

  339. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 6:22 pm

    Perhaps you meant accidental…….like lightning and stuff

    http://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/hazards/bushfire/basics/causes

  340. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 6:23 pm

    Or perhaps you meant fires started by these things…………

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-28/powerline-failures-linked-to-bushfires/5050204

  341. Walrus permalink
    June 8, 2016 6:24 pm

    “………wally’s moon rant was the low point for me.”

    Go and howl at it. You’d make more sense

  342. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2016 6:29 pm

  343. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2016 7:04 pm

    floods, snowstorms, droughts, coral bleaching, sinkholes and disappearing islands …

    You would have to consider climate change as a factor …

    Sounds like you are following company policy without giving any thought to we are being conned. Same goes for the NBN-FTTP. As long as it is Labor policy you will support it even if it is bad for Australia

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2016 7:33 pm

    …and now we have the ALP promising bigger deficits!!

    Great! That will make everything ok

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2016 7:34 pm

    I’m thinking tiny penis …

  346. June 8, 2016 7:42 pm

    There is a lot of buffering on Reportland tonight, and l`m watching via telly #talkbull

  347. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2016 7:48 pm

    Higher deficits!!

    Go Labor!!

  348. June 8, 2016 8:08 pm

    FMD, Reportland gave the whole show to talkbull that spent the bulk of the time speaking lots of words and telling us nothing but glorified slogans. l still don`t see in talkbull anything but a self-promoting snake-oil salesman and still don`t understand what about him makes the qandaland audience swoon. At least he can string more than three words together l suppose, but unfortunately most of it is meaningless babble.

  349. June 8, 2016 8:08 pm

    Well that was a remarkably successful interview for Talcum on 730. His media people must be thrilled…!

  350. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 8, 2016 8:22 pm

    Well that was a remarkably successful interview for Talcum on 730. His media people must be thrilled…!

    He developed a terrible cough, I thought Leigh should offer him a glass of water to moisten his parched throat.

  351. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2016 9:35 pm

    He has to get used to being parched when he finally fks off to the Cayman Is. – his real home – apparently …

  352. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 8, 2016 9:38 pm

  353. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2016 9:45 pm

    The Age-

    If you are the leader of a party known for sending a cashed-up budget into the red when last in office, then the last thing you should do is behave in ways that confirms your opponents’ worst depiction of you.

    That’s effectively what Bill Shorten has done with his “10-year economic plan”, which promises bigger surpluses in the so-called medium term – 10 years from now – but admits the deficit will first go backwards over the conventional four-year budget cycle.

  354. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2016 10:14 pm

    If you are the leader of a party known for sending a cashed-up budget into the red when last in office, then the last thing you should do is behave in ways that confirms your opponents’ worst depiction of you.

    Why? Humans are tribal and generally facts are irrelevant. Anybody with a brain knows the ALP trashes everything it touches but half the Australian population are ALP supporters.

    It is laughable to think the ALP could ever get the budget back into surplus. I guess the current Coalition govt is incapable also. I think we are doomed.

  355. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2016 5:48 am

    …That’s effectively what Bill Shorten has done with his “10-year economic plan”, which promises bigger surpluses in the so-called medium term – 10 years from now – but admits the deficit will first go backwards over the conventional four-year budget cycle…

    And guess what? The LNP have only offered us 10 years of company tax cuts costing us $10 billion [way to make the tax avoiding companies pay their share of the tax burden malcolm!]. And don’t forget the submarines on the never never, how much are they going to cost?

    Anybody with a brain knows the ALP trashes everything it touches but half the Australian population are ALP supporters.

    Rusted on LNP supporters don’t have brains, they have hyperactive anal sphincters that are regularly triggered by their own party.

  356. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2016 6:00 am

    Nationals have failed rural Australia
    http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/3952397/nationals-have-failed-rural-australia/

  357. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 8:49 am

    I got polled by Reachtel last night

    Whoopeeeeee !

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2016 9:01 am

    I heard an interesting point on ABC’s PM last night – corporate tax is a bigger share of GDP now, than when the corporate tax rate was 49%.

    Interesting… the tax rate has fallen significantly, but the government has more.

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 9:22 am

    I must confess to being nonplussed about this too … will confuse a lot of people …

    If you are the leader of a party known for sending a cashed-up budget into the red when last in office, then the last thing you should do is behave in ways that confirms your opponents’ worst depiction of you.

    That’s effectively what Bill Shorten has done with his “10-year economic plan”, which promises bigger surpluses in the so-called medium term – 10 years from now – but admits the deficit will first go backwards over the conventional four-year budget cycle.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No, not a tint penis … a half formed embryo … ?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And guess what? The LNP have only offered us 10 years of company tax cuts costing us $10 billion [way to make the tax avoiding companies pay their share of the tax burden malcolm!].

    That’s becomes the choice … $50 billion to business over 10 years or the same for education, health, welfare …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Greens Senator says a banking Royal Commission could grant regulator power to recover ‘ill-gotten gains’

    I’d prefer they go for a Federal ICAC – that covers the lot!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  360. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 9, 2016 9:23 am

    This is socialism. This is what the Greens and ALP left have in store for Australia:

    Until recently, Julio Noguera worked at a bakery. Now he spends his evenings searching through the garbage for food.

    “I come here looking for food because if I didn’t, I’d starve to death,” Noguera said as he sorted through a pile of moldy potatoes. “With things like they are, no one helps anyone and no one gives away meals.”

    And which Australians petitioned Chavez to come here and teach us his socialist ways? That would be the usual cavalcade of cnuts from the great Australian bastions of stupidity – the ABC, Greens, Australian Dems, Universities, CFMEU, Socialist Alliance and yet another hyphenated peace activist:

    • Andrew Ferguson NSW Secretary, CFMEU Construction and General Division

    • Antony Loewenstein – Independent Journalist

    • Casper Cumming – Swinborne Student Union President

    • Charlotte Boss-Walker -Peace Activist (Tas)

    • Craig Bulley – Worker’s Radio

    • Dick Nichols – National Co-ordinator, Socialist Alliance

    • Dr Alastair Grieg Senior Lecturer, Australian National University: Faculty of Arts

    • Jakalene X – Indigenous community activist

    • John Pilger – Independent Journalist

    • Kerry Nettle – Australian Greens Senator for NSW

    • Kerryn Williams – Editor, Green Left Weekly

    • Keysar Trad – Islamic Friendship Association

    • Mathew Chuk – General Secretary, National Union of Students 2007

    • Natasha Stott-Despoja – SA Australian Democrats Senator

    • Phillip Adams – Journalist, Republican of the Year 2005

    • Tim Anderson – Lecturer, Faculty of Economics and Business, University of Sydney

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 9:28 am

    I got polled by Reachtel last night … Whoopeeeeee !

    Don’t know why your excited … you get owned every day here … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Interesting… the tax rate has fallen significantly, but the government has more.

    “Interesting”? I thought you were a highly qualified expert in economics … ?

    When you figure it out I’ll still be here … ~(8-)

  362. June 9, 2016 9:35 am

    “”I got polled by Reachtel last night””

    Yes, well, they have to contact certain demographics for balance…

    BTW, one of my colleagues delivered a presentation to a room full of accountants the other night regarding the removal of the accountants exemption on 1 July (Wally will know about this)..

    “What a pack of arrogant, stuck up condescending w@nkers” was his conclusion.

    *slight chuckle.

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 9:38 am

    TR … beware the troll … keep it starved … it’ll search deeper in the forest …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Didn’t MALfunction show that he was simply The Mad Abbott in sheep’s clothing … I suppose its better than being an Emperor with no clothes …

    No wonder he wants to play on twitter and facebook, his NVC’s tell you everything … from the false smile, to the mean spirit displayed when he doesn’t like the question, to the vigorous pointing of fingers and waving of hands … TurnAbbott truly is a hypocrite polls are important, then they aren’t, then they are all in five minutes … and where does he get his anecdotal crap from – most people like the idea of a plebiscite – what utter BS most people want Marriage Equality sorted and now not another wasted $64 million …

    It’s like watching a B grade version of Yes, Prime Minister!

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 9:42 am

    But, but, but … he wore the uniform!!!!!!!

    Even the army has the occasional dickhead or six …

  365. June 9, 2016 9:55 am

    Yes armchair, l`ve been wondering if canoeland has fallen for recent canoe-bribes too. l wish dunny would turn-up more often and give us a `team-free` assessment on it.

    # ,, good to see everybody `enjoyed` as much as me, last nights `toffee-waffle` on reportland

  366. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 9, 2016 10:00 am

    “Mr Hastie took aim at his former boss, retired army chief and Australian of the Year Lt-Gen. David Morrison. “David Morrison politicised the ADF long before I ever put my mug on a billboard. In fact, he hastened my exit from the army into politics,” Mr Hastie said.

    Mr Hastie has received strong support from Labor State MP Paul Papalia, a former navy diver.”

  367. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 10:03 am

    “The accountants’ exemption currently permits a recognised accountant to recommend whether a client should establish or wind up an interest in an SMSF without being licensed under the Australian Financial Services (AFS) licensing regime. If you want to be able to continue to provide this advice from Tuesday 1 July you must be appropriately licensed in some capacity.”

    I already got my licence so it wont affect me so much. It actually will mean I can charge more.

    But it does now mean people with SMSF’s will need to pay more for advice.

  368. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 10:15 am

    “……most people want Marriage Equality sorted and now not another wasted $64 million … ”

    Really ????????????

    Perhaps we should have a plebiscite on whether that’s actually true

  369. June 9, 2016 10:16 am

    sunraysia,,,,,,Obviously Mr Broad doesn`t need to state his views on anything as he has the safest seat in Australia, or maybe he doesn`t want to become a laughing stock like his National`s leader Barnaby Joyce who picks on small animals and frequently puts both feet into his mouth,,,,,,

    # ,, there is nothing like the teabumpkins to make the teabags `look` visionary, yet the arse-hatz keep voting for these un-useful critters

  370. June 9, 2016 10:35 am

    “”But it does now mean people with SMSF’s will need to pay more for advice.””

    True dat.

  371. June 9, 2016 10:54 am

    As,,,,,,that staff member pointed out, further attacks on staff and conditions may destroy good will between staff and TAFE. In their words,

    `If everyone worked to rule, TAFE would not be able to respond to training needs.`

    It is time for the Baird Government to do the right thing and properly support TAFE staff and students, restoring funding and reining in the runaway private sector, our young people deserve better. ,, Sonia Hornery MP, State Member for Wallsend,,,,,,

    http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3933191/the-private-sector-is-no-replacement-for-tafe/

    # ,, teabags still not learning, the garden-gnome aint exactly hearing talkbulls `innovation` message is he???? ,, didn`t boltland fcuk-up their `tafe`system years ago????

  372. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 11:08 am

    I got polled by Reachtel last night

    Are you able to sit down yet?

    corporate tax is a bigger share of GDP now, than when the corporate tax rate was 49%.

    Did this coincide with something called the GFC perchance?

    Mr Hastie has received strong support from Labor State MP Paul Papalia, a former navy diver

    I note they don’t go into any details. Sometimes, details can ruin a good story 😉

  373. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 11:10 am

    I understand that Bill Shorten had a debate with an empty chair last night.

    Also heard that leigh sales did too.

  374. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2016 11:15 am

    Did this coincide with something called the GFC perchance?

    No, if you have a look at the corporate tax share of GDP you’ll see that it is significantly higher now than when the rate was 49%, and that’s many years ago.

    It seems to support the views expressed by Keating and Shorten (before he changed his mind) that the rate was too high.

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 11:25 am

    But it does now mean people with SMSF’s will need to pay more for advice.

    So, a self managed s/fund isn’t exactly a self managed s/fund but another attempt to avoid taxes but actually costs more because you need to pay someone to give you “advice” … LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Perhaps we should have a plebiscite on whether that’s actually true

    There have been umpteen polls on the subject all (to my knowledge) in the affirmative – get it done!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No, if you have a look at the corporate tax share of GDP you’ll see that it is significantly higher now than when the rate was 49%, and that’s many years ago.

    And now the profiteering by big business particularly by the banks is higher … so guess who’s paying for it?

    And the 49% WAS too high then … many people paid the price for the GFC but nary a business “failed” nor an executive “jailed” …

    Lies, damned lies and statics …

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 11:25 am

    statistics

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 11:26 am

    oh, and much lower movement in incomes at the bottom end of the pay scale … but profits soaring …

  378. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2016 11:30 am

    So TB thinks it’s profiteering to have corporate taxes at a higher share of GDP!!

    That makes about as much sense as any of his anti business comments

  379. June 9, 2016 11:51 am

    that,,,,,the rate was too high,,,,, squealed the imbecile herd, while ignoring the white-anting of services/infrastructure and the waste it generates, as does the waste generated by gulag-operations and jobactive-welfare-parasites that cost treasury-taxpayers squillions, and are secured in place by bribes to both teams. Need we look at the nbn.

  380. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 9, 2016 11:58 am

    “There have been umpteen polls on the subject all (to my knowledge) in the affirmative – get it done!”

    The “umpteen polls” fall into the category of “Lies, damned lies and statics”. It is a potentially divisive issue. A plebiscite will settle the matter and be more accurate than any poll. What are you afraid of?

    Now people understand the full agenda – suing people with a different point of view, perverts in kids dunnies, 13 year old girls forced to role play girls with multiple sex partners – this thing will not get through a plebiscite. Big Gay fucked up badly by letting us see the full program a bit early.

  381. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 12:07 pm

    “……..but another attempt to avoid taxes………..”

    Well you better back that up or really show the world your pig ignorance !

  382. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 12:09 pm

    “What are you afraid of?”

    Running out of nappies

  383. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 12:12 pm

    Australia’s company income tax revenue, as measured for these purposes, includes taxes on superannuation funds levied on contributions and earnings (which are effectively taxes on individuals’ savings) and petroleum resource rent tax revenue.

    Might explain some things fer yomm

    As might this

    But a one or two point cut in the corporate tax rate in 2011 is not the same as the five percentage point cut Turnbull is proposing today. The two policies not only differ in magnitude but also in how they would be funded and the context (such as other tax settings) in which they would operate.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/07/labor-has-not-backflipped-on-corporate-tax-cuts-here-are-the-facts

    changed his mind indeed. Not

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 12:26 pm

    Well you better back that up or really show the world your pig ignorance !

    Just testing … LOL! 🙂

  385. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 12:28 pm

    “But a one or two point cut in the corporate tax rate in 2011 is not the same as the five percentage point cut Turnbull is proposing today. ”

    Bullshit……he’s not proposing it in one hit as Kenneally implies

    “changed his mind indeed. Not”

    More bullshit bullshit………………from the usual suspect

    “The budget includes plans for the small business tax rate to drop 1 per cent to 27.5 per cent this year, and for a small business to be redefined as having turnover of less than $10 million, five times the current level to qualify.

    By 2023–24 all companies big and small will enjoy the 27.5 per cent rate, and three years later it will drop to a flat 25 per cent.”

  386. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 12:29 pm

    So you have had 12 plus hours.

    I’m still waiting on an explanation as to how AGW created the King Tides

  387. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2016 12:31 pm

    I see, I had a look at the information on the ATO site.

    That clearly demonstrated that companies now bay a higher probation of tax/GDP that they did when the rate was 49%

    Go argue with the ATO

  388. June 9, 2016 1:00 pm

    now,,,,,bay a higher probation of tax/GDP that they did when the rate was,,,,,#whatever

    # ,, it`s just slop while there is so much wasted, unfit for purpose f35 junk, node`n copper, then de-node and de-copper, open cheque-book wars, until `you` and the rest of us `actually` know how many cents in the dollar go up in smoke via `waste`, and loop-holes shut, arguments on this `rate` of that rate are pretty much total bullshit.

  389. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 1:07 pm

    he’s not proposing it in one hit as Kenneally implies

    oh, NOW, you want to get down to technicalities.

    Did Shorten propose them in conjunction with another tax measure perhaps?

    I’m still waiting on an explanation as to how AGW created the King Tides

    I’m still cleaning of the coffee from monitor after reading that you somehow think that greenhouse emissions are able to affect the location of the moon in relation to the Earth and Sun.

    All the scientists seem to agree it is simply sea levels and storm intensities, but you’ve taken it to another level altogether.

    Are a scifientist perhaps?

    Go argue with the ATO

    And continue to ignore the other uglies in the room, such as things like effective taxes on individuals’ savings being included in this equation.

  390. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 1:11 pm

    “…….after reading that you somehow think that greenhouse emissions are able to affect the location of the moon in relation to the Earth and Sun.”

    But I didn’t say that. You implied that the damage was caused by Climate Change.

    But the damage was caused by an East Coast Low (which are quite common) and the coincidental King Tides.

    So how does Climate Change create King Tides ?

    I’ll just patiently wait right here

  391. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 1:13 pm

    “And continue to ignore the other uglies in the room, such as things like effective taxes on individuals’ savings being included in this equation.”

    Usual tactic…….lets take a walk down the garden path rather than confront an uncomfortable fact

  392. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2016 1:14 pm

    Shorter Tom R – the comparisons made by the public servants in the ATO aren’t to be believed

  393. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 1:17 pm

    But I didn’t say that.

    It’s not nice, is it?

    You implied that the damage was caused by Climate Change

    No, I implied Climate Change played a role, you ‘implied’ the rest. It’s no fault of mine your fevered imagination ran away with you.

    So how does Climate Change create King Tides ?

    Slowly again, for the slow ones, it doesn’t, but is DOES amplify them (as I pointed out over 24 hrs ago)

  394. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 1:18 pm

    the comparisons made by the public servants in the ATO aren’t to be believed

    shorten yomm

    the comparisons made by the public servants in the ATO are to be interpreted any way I like, and any non conforming data is to be ignored.

    btw, WHAT COMPARISONS Mr Linky

  395. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 1:24 pm

    Usual tactic

    Yep, Facts 😉

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2016 1:54 pm

    It’s getting to be like the time that TB denied that the debt to GDP ratio here is about where Greece was a generation ago.

  397. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 2:06 pm

    I’m still waiting for TB to justify what he said earlier.

    As is the usual Leftie tactic they disappear without trace once challenged.

    TomR just tries to go off on another tangent so as not to answer when challenged……….and that’s a Fact

  398. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2016 2:20 pm

    hat the debt to GDP ratio here is about where Greece was a generation ago.

    Same goes for Spain. Debt was 35% of GDP in 2007 and now it is at 100%.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/government-debt-to-gdp

  399. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 2:40 pm

    I’m still waiting for TB to justify what he said earlier.

    Trouble with CPAs* … no sense of humour …

    June 9, 2016 12:26 pm

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That clearly demonstrated that companies now bay a higher probation of tax/GDP that they did when the rate was 49%

    Shite!!! We’d better reduce it to zero then! Oh! Wait …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Are a scifientist perhaps?

    Chuckle … clever … (It’ll go right over wally’s head tho’ …)

    Walmart is certainly looking for a brawl … are the tories in the shit again?

    And ToM too! Back to Greece … and oddly worded “comparisons” …

    Russia, China,Venezuela, Mexico, USA … no mention of Spain yet …

  400. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 2:59 pm

    TomR just tries to go off on another tangent so as not to answer when challenged

    You’ll have to ask me a question I haven’t answered first.

    Go ahead, ask one.

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 3:09 pm

    Are you Australian …?

  402. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 3:13 pm

    sure mate 😉

  403. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 9, 2016 3:13 pm

    “Go ahead, ask one.”

    Dear Tom R

    Do you support the ALP’s Socialist Objective, namely “The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields”?

    SB

  404. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 3:18 pm

    SB

    Are you sure you’re not wally after his polling last night?

    and

    Yes. Especially ” to the extent necessary” 😉

  405. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 3:37 pm

    ……………..Yes. Especially ” to the extent necessary”

    ROFLMAO………..that’s what Hugo Chavez thought

  406. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 3:41 pm

    that’s what Hugo Chavez thought

    As did Henry Ford 😉

  407. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 9, 2016 3:42 pm

    Indeed Walrus. The thing is based on a non sequitur – that socialising industry, production, distribution and exchange will actually do anything beneficial at all (apart from benefitting the Nomenklatura). Chavez showed us exactly how beneficial that is.

  408. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 3:54 pm

    “As did Henry Ford”

    Link ?

  409. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 4:11 pm

    Good ol’ Henry Ford …

    There’s an argument you see around sometimes about Henry Ford’s decision to pay his workers those famed $5 a day wages.

    At the time, workers could count on about $2.25 per day, for which they worked nine-hour shifts. It was pretty good money in those days, but the toll was too much for many to bear. Ford’s turnover rate was very high. In 1913, Ford hired more than 52,000 men to keep a workforce of only 14,000. New workers required a costly break-in period, making matters worse for the company. Also, some men simply walked away from the line to quit and look for a job elsewhere. Then the line stopped and production of cars halted. The increased cost and delayed production kept Ford from selling his cars at the low price he wanted. Drastic measures were necessary if he was to keep up this production.

    The $5-a-day rate was about half pay and half bonus. The bonus came with character requirements and was enforced by the Socialization Organization. This was a committee that would visit the employees’ homes to ensure that they were doing things the “American way.” They were supposed to avoid social ills such as gambling and drinking. They were to learn English, and many (primarily the recent immigrants) had to attend classes to become “Americanized.” Women were not eligible for the bonus unless they were single and supporting the family. Also, men were not eligible if their wives worked outside the home.

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 4:13 pm

    Whatever happened to The Panama Papers?

  411. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 4:19 pm

    Still in Panama

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 4:43 pm

    The “Excellence” funding raid, and the high-handed manner in which Brandis announced it, set off national protests against the Coalition’s cultural policy. A campaign under the banner of Free the Arts was launched. There were dance-offs and anti-Brandis Facebook spoofs.

    “We need to make sure we have an economy that is strong and growing,” the minister argued at one point. “Because an economy that is strong and growing means individuals and corporate philanthropists are in a position to purchase artworks and support individual artists. A stronger economy is better for artists.”

    Unfortunately, the statistics say otherwise: employment in the Australian Bureau of Statistics’ “arts and recreation services” category has fallen by 16,000 in the past year. Dreyfus ridiculed Fifield’s stance as “trickle-down for the arts”.

    As a result, for the first time in 20 years, cultural policy has become an election issue

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/09/memo-to-the-coalition-dont-come-to-an-arts-policy-debate-without-an-arts-policy

  413. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 9, 2016 4:49 pm

    Hmmmm. Henry Ford benefitted the US economy whereas Chavez completely trashed the economy of Venezuela. There are probably one or two differences between them.

  414. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 9, 2016 4:52 pm

    “As a result, for the first time in 20 years, cultural policy has become an election issue” for luvvies and sundry other wankers who live of government grants.

  415. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2016 4:59 pm

    Good ol’ Henry Ford …

    What was the point of the link? The article states that a wage of $5/day was a good wage in those days. Most probably double what most other people were earning.

  416. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 5:01 pm

    “As a result, for the first time in 20 years, cultural policy has become an election issue”

    Yawn.

    Its the same as any other career choice. If you are any good people will pay you for your service or product.

    You just want to subsidise fucking grubs like this one…

  417. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 5:03 pm

    “What was the point of the link?”

    I have no idea what he’s on avbout.

    Have you noticed the chief of the Trolls has suddenly disappeared ?

  418. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2016 5:45 pm

    Neither have i. I guess he is trying to say Henry Ford was a Robber Barron but TB does not say. We can only speculate.

    This is what Wikipedia has to say

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#The_five-dollar_workday

    Ford was a pioneer of “welfare capitalism”, designed to improve the lot of his workers and especially to reduce the heavy turnover that had many departments hiring 300 men per year to fill 100 slots. Efficiency meant hiring and keeping the best workers.[23]

    Ford astonished the world in 1914 by offering a $5 per day wage ($120 today), which more than doubled the rate of most of his workers.[24]

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 5:46 pm

    I wouldn’t do a “whooo ooo ROFLMAO” just yet … like me TR will keep turning up … but I notice others have grown tired of your BS … for good reason …

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 5:49 pm

    You’ll love this, wally … egg, won’t understand it at all … and sb will make a mess with carrot bits all over his keyboard …

    LG!

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 5:49 pm

    Oh, I suppose I should include the LINK!

    http://www.betterworld.net/quotes/society-quotes.htm

  422. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 6:15 pm

    Ford was a pioneer of “welfare capitalism”, designed to improve the lot of his worker

    hmm, sounds a bit like some kind of democratic socialism to me, especially if you are inclined to the latter part of Labors ideals that focus on “to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields”?

    Obviously, Ford did it for purely capitalist reasons (he made more money)

    But, that alone should tell you something 😉

  423. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 6:18 pm

    the chief of the Trolls has suddenly disappeared ?

    It’s called a life. As fun as it is answering your same questions repeatedly, then being told I’m not .. again, I have other things to do, like scissoring the lawn or polishing the driveway.

  424. Walrus permalink
    June 9, 2016 6:28 pm

    “…..but I notice others have grown tired of your BS…….”

    LOL………looks like TB has gone all shrill………………..must have run out of nappies

    “As did Henry Ford”……….”But, that alone should tell you something”

    Yeah…..his name juxtaposed with Chavez like you did is fucking ridiculous.

    But it is your usual illogical thought process

    “like scissoring the lawn”

  425. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2016 6:33 pm

    his name juxtaposed with Chavez like you did is fucking ridiculous.

    So it successfully highlights your stupidity of mentioning Chavez then, cheers 🙂

    Now, back to the lawn

  426. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2016 6:59 pm

    Company tax: the Four Rentseekers sing a song of bullshit
    Business has come out swinging at critics of the company tax cut — but its attack is riddled with flaws.
    http://linkis.com/www.crikey.com.au/20/m5osl

    …Both business and the Coalition have upped their already extraordinary rhetoric about the Coalition’s proposed tax cut for big companies. Today in the Financial Review, the executives responsible for the biggest business lobby groups — the Business Council of Australia, the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, the Australian Industry Group and the Minerals Council of Australia — launched a broadside at opposition to the tax cut…

    …Business weren’t the only ones upping the hype. Yesterday Arthur “I don’t recall” Sinodinos accused Labor of “sovereign risk” in opposing the tax cut. The Coalition — and business — famously redefined “sovereign risk” during the mining tax debate to mean “anything we don’t like”, but Sinodinos, to his credit, found a new way to mangle the meaning of the term, applying a concept originally intended to denote uncertainty created by regulatory change to retaining existing regulatory arrangements. Perhaps Arthur had had yet another memory lapse and forgot what it actually meant. Remember, all of this “war on business” stuff isn’t about imposing a new tax on business, but failing to deliver a truly massive tax cut to big business…

    For sale: waterfront property. Expected lifespan: maybe 50 years.
    http://linkis.com/www.crikey.com.au/20/m5osl

    …Climate change and related flooding is not a surprise. Should we be paying for rich people to build new pools?

    The lesson of the pool that sailed to sea is clear: from now on, nobody should buy a coastal property and expect it not to wash away. And the government must make it explicit it won’t help anyone who does.

    Should we compensate landowners whose property is ruined by a combination of storms and sea-level rises? There is a clear case for helping those who bought when the risks were not clear. But we must draw a line in the sand as to when those risks became clear — and the sooner the better…

    …Australia is a country that comes to the aid of those hurt by forces beyond their control. But that leaves the public purse open to exploitation by those who want to privatise gains and socialise losses. We should guard against being exploited by making it very clear that future sea-changers will not be publicly insured…

  427. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2016 7:20 pm

    Go ALP!!

    Federal Labor’s decision to allow bigger budget deficits over the next four years would place Australia’s AAA credit rating at risk if it is elected, according to three of Australia’s most reputable economists.
    The opposition has also confirmed it would allow the deficit to deepen further still – and miss its five-year plan to return the budget to balance – rather than spring surprise spending cuts on voters if it wins the July 2 election and the fiscal outlook worsens.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/federal-election-2016-labor-budget-plans-risks-aaa-rating-say-economists-20160608-gpe6ld.html#ixzz4B4XZbgve

  428. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 7:56 pm

    Yeah…..his name juxtaposed with Chavez like you did is fucking ridiculous.

    That’s a big word for you, wally … fucking?

    But it is your usual illogical thought process

    “like scissoring the lawn”

    How would you know … you don’t have one …

    according to three of Australia’s most reputable economists.

    And yet the Libs never listen to economists! Doesn’t Saul champion removal of negative gearing?

  429. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2016 8:05 pm

    Doesn’t Saul champion removal of negative gearing?

    Yeah, and weren’t his views on that paraded around by ALP barrackers, but they’re silent on his observations about the dangerous impact of ALP economic policy

  430. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 9:43 pm

    … but they’re silent on his observations about the dangerous impact of ALP economic policy

    er … didn’t I say … Doesn’t Saul champion removal of negative gearing?

    Shakes head … do these people actually read what they right? ………………. sic!

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2016 10:47 pm

    21st Century ROBBER BARON – Coles!

    Supermarket giant Coles has shunned the industrial umpire by refusing to lift the penalty rates of tens of thousands of its low-paid workers left worse off under its cosy deal with the shop assistants’ union.

    Coles has defied the Fair Work Commission, which had pressed it for undertakings to boost the pay of many of its workers.

    Instead the retailer will in effect scrap its contentious 2015 deal with the Shop, Distributive & Allied Employees Association (SDA) and revert to an old agreement.

    Coles claims no workers will suffer a reduction in their base rate of pay as a result of the move.

    But the company has not addressed the commission’s main concern – tens of thousands of workers being paid penalty rates significantly lower than the workplace award, the basic wages safety net.

    Last week the full bench of Fair Work found the Coles deal failed the better off overall test (BOOT), intended to ensure workers are paid more under workplace agreements than the award.

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Coles+penalty+rates+fair+work

  432. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 9:04 am

    What a debacle! Danny Andrews’ government – full of incompetent liars.

    A government minister misrepresents the conversation she has with the President of the Fair Work Commission, to make a political point, then hours later claims she only “misspoke”

    Lied is the correct description

    The ALP (puppet of unions) is really looking great here in Victoria!

    A senior government minister has been forced to mount a humiliating retreat after claiming in Parliament key elements of its industrial deal with the firefighters union had been cleared by the Fair Work Commission boss.
    In the latest debacle capping off a shambolic week for the Andrews government, Industrial Relations Minister Natalie Hutchins was forced admit to Parliament that she “mispoke” after claiming Fair Work president Iain Ross had said the deal would improve diversity in the fire services.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cfa-crisis-fair-work-says-there-are-no-veto-powers-for-union-20160609-gpf7b6.html

  433. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 10, 2016 9:45 am

    OMG, a politician lied 😯

    I’d be more surprised if any of them told the truth!

  434. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2016 9:48 am

    Looks like Queensland is in trouble thanks to the ALP.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/nsw-smashes-it-in-the-real-state-of-origin-as-queensland-budget-falters/news-story/5bf6aeb96da8dae983b2a3a2040e45f0

    Next week’s Queensland budget will show again that, sooner or later, the state will need much more than clever accounting tricks or raids on the pension fund if it’s to grow and prosper……. The truth is that Queenslanders are suffering from fiscal constipation, with the budget stuck between rising costs, falling revenues and unsustainable public debt, which will hit $80 billion by 2018-19………..How is it that Queensland can emerge from a record property, mining and wages boom with little more than a lot of debt and a bad hangover?

    When will people learn? The ALP produces nothing but debt.

  435. June 10, 2016 9:54 am

    While we `may` be stuck with the canberra `duopoly`, Let`s hope `amazon` head our way and kick the shit out of our `retail` duopoly (-: (-: (-: (-:

    reuters,,,,,,Amazon (AMZN.O) has launched a British version of its U.S. AmazonFresh food delivery service, stepping up the pressure on the traditional big supermarkets already locked in a brutal price war.

    In a long-anticipated move to break into Britain’s 178 billion pounds ($257 billion) grocery market, the world’s largest online retailer launched AmazonFresh on Thursday in parts of central and east London.

    Britain has one of the world’s most developed online grocery markets with the big four retailers Tesco (TSCO.L), Sainsbury’s (SBRY.L), Wal-Mart’s (WMT.N) Asda and Morrisons (MRW.L) already competing with specialist delivery firm Ocado (OCDO.L),,,,,,,,

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-britain-grocery-idUSKCN0YV09G

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 9:58 am

    The ALP produces nothing but debt.

    Campbell Newman is/was LNP … and like this Federal Government spent like a madman … blaming (like you) the ALP all the way …

  437. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:07 am

    Labor’s decision to allow bigger budget deficits over the next four years would place Australia’s AAA credit rating at risk if it is elected,

    You mean, in the same way as the libs?

    massola is a being just a little mishevious here, isn’t he.

  438. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:08 am

    TB

    The Coalition is always handed a trashed budget. It is hard to put humpty dumpty back together again.

    John Howards first budget produced a parliament house riot. Sadly we do not have a politician like that anymore who is willing to take the hard decisions.

  439. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:09 am

    21st Century ROBBER BARONS at work/play …

    The New Zealand-born businessman, who made his fortune importing luxury cars through his company Ateco, had an agreement with the council to landscape the reserve but went too far and also built the fence with a locked gate preventing public access.

    Now in the face of council objections he has been ordered to tear down the illegal aluminium fence and let the public in.

    Lawyers for neighbour Muriel Balkin, fearing her million dollar views could be compromised, have fired off a letter to the council demanding it make a new agreement that does not allow trees, plants or shrubs higher than 1m on the reserve.

    Mr Crichton claimed the fence was a requirement of a $20 million public liability insurance policy after works left a steep, terraced slope on the site.

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=car+dealer+fences+off+council+beach

    The link to this story was posted a few kilometres above (hint sreb) … but as usual, either no-one read the link, or chose not to acknowledge that we really do have Robber Barons still trying to steal land from the peasants … 🙂

    Its the arrogance that stands out!

  440. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:16 am

    “How would you know … you don’t have one … ”

    Well you better tell the dogs.

    They keep crapping on it frontyard and backyard. But at least they know where to crap on unlike you

  441. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:16 am

    And John Howard was the worst Treasurer this country has seen …

    And just to get rid once and for all the – “it woz Labor’s fault” – line, you keep spouting …

    When John Howard was Treasurer, net Government debt rose at a steady pace, hitting 7.5% of GDP when Fraser lost the 1983 election. In 1996 dollar terms, 7.5% of GDP is around $40 billion which is in fact the real level of net government debt “inherited” by the Hawke Government when it won the 1983 election.

    Recall, by way of context, the fact that the Fraser Government “inherited” zero net government debt from the Whitlam Government in 1975-76, so all of the build up in government debt in the Fraser years was self imposed by the Coalition, its policies and the business cycle.

    Coming back to the issue of the $96 billion net debt inherited by the Howard Government in 1996, it’s a fact that 42% of it was bequeathed from the Fraser Government and left for Labor to deal with during its term of government.

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2024-labor-or-liberal-government-debt

  442. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:18 am

    Well you better tell the dogs.

    What happened to the tower? You should keep a copy of your “stories” … 🙂

  443. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:19 am

    It’s little wonder the libs are outspending Labor 2 to 1 on advertising is it. The taxpayer is funding their re-election bid.

    The Liberal campaign is resisting calls for greater transparency about its financial relationship with a voter monitoring company run by the party, as it can be revealed state MPs also use taxpayer money to pay it amounts likely exceeding $100,000 a year.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/federal-election-2016-mystery-deepens-over-parakeelia-as-cormann-ducks-question-20160609-gpfmp1.html

  444. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:21 am

    You’d have a dog handler wouldn’t you and someone to trim the lawn – they may use scissors and you don’t even know! Or … do you handle shite yourself … just to mingle with the ordinary folk? 🙂

  445. June 10, 2016 10:23 am

    lnstead of trying to wrangle a herd of zombies, this looks like a much better job teabags.

    my-abc,,,,,,Former federal treasurer Peter Costello has been named as the new chairman of Channel 9, replacing David Haslingsden who will step down on March 1.

    `I am delighted to take over the role of chairman,` Mr Costello said in a statement.

    `This is an exciting time of change in the media sector and NEC [Nine Entertainment Co] is now strongly positioned to take advantage of these developments.`,,,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-25/former-treasurer-peter-costello-appointed-new-channel-9-chairman/7198418

  446. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:24 am

    Federal ICAC and a RC on Financial Services! (not just the banks)

    And what’s happening with The Panama Papers!

    Cover up? Venezuelan toilet paper?

    Went quiet all of a sudden.

  447. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:26 am

    massola is a being just a little mishevious here, isn’t he

    I’m not sure.

    Bowen says the ALP deficit will be higher over the budget cycle ne by then debt/ GDP ratio will be higher.

  448. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:33 am

    ne??? …so

  449. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:33 am

    I’m not sure.

    Does he mention anywhere WHY the GDP is so high, especially since the last mob promised to make it better, not worst?

    Labor are dealing with that, and attempting to keep some kind of fairness in hte budget.

    But massola doesn’t give a shit about that.

  450. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:37 am

    And what’s happening with The Panama Papers!

    They’ve been moved to the Cayman’s 😉

    Quiet also is the libs zombie cuts. It’s all eyes on Labors cuts, and ignore the zombie cuts from 2014 (except of course where they can link, however loosely, Labors cuts back to them)

    Cuts which of course Labor have not itemised yet 😉

  451. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:40 am

    “What happened to the tower? ”

    I have no idea what you are on about. But here it is…………….

  452. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:52 am

    Really? The ALP propose higher deficits and loading up the next generation with higher debit (and therefore more limited ability to respond to an economic downturn)… and you think that’s good economic policy?

    Talking about their 10 year plan… Yeah, that makes sense because if we look back to 2006 we know how accurate forcasting would have been.

    Proposing even higher debit on the basis of fairness is weak and irresponsible.

  453. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:03 am

    …higher deficits for the full term of the next parliament…then still higher deficits for (most of or all) the following term of parliament, then apparently in the 3rd term of an ALP government they might get the deficit under control.

    That’s an ALP “plan”

  454. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:05 am

    The ALP propose higher deficits and loading up the next generation with higher debit

    You forget about bringing the surplus back at the same time as the libs, without throwing everyone (multinationals not included) on the scrap heap.

    We HAVE structural deficit. That is now accepted. We must fix it.

    Labor proposes a long term fix, the libs, smash the poor.

    Interestingly, the meeja complained about hte short term vision. NOW, when we have it, it’s all about “who gets surplus first”

    muppets!

  455. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:07 am

    “….That’s an ALP “plan”……”

    You left out the part where it is conditional on them being returned to Office 3 or 4 times. Otherwise all bets are off

  456. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:19 am

    The ALP neglects to point out that by the end of their 2 terms of higher deficit, the debt to GDP ratio will be higher

    So the task of paying it off will be more difficult , the policy options for the neat generation will be more limited

    The ability to respond to a downturn will be more difficult

    But just ignore that because in the 4th term of a Shorten Government it will all be fine!

  457. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:22 am

    neat = next

    (this device is not recognising all my handwriting)

  458. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:36 am

    Otherwise all bets are off

    As it is with ALL ‘plans’

    As I said, the ALP have a longer term plan (much because the policies they implement now won’t see savings until several years, eg, negative gearing)

    But they are sensible, long term plans.

    Just like the meeja ‘claimed’ was missing.

    Now, however ……..

    muppets!

    this device is not recognising all my handwriting

    Simple spelling mistakes doesn’t explain the overall stoopid yomm.

    #justsayin’

  459. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:39 am

    But here it is…………….

    I thought it would be much bigger and more —- ivory looking …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Both parties have ten year “plans” * … the big difference is (as TR hinted above) is how they deal with the deficit … the Liberals want to give tax away to business to the tune of $50 billion in the belief that some of it will translate into jobs and growth – ie trickle down … experience tells us that trickle down economics doesn’t work (massive business profits and – stagnating incomes) … the cost of this is reduced services to all Australians … focus on profits (ie Jobs & Growth)

    The ALP want to remove middle class welfare within negative gearing and super tax for the rich and chase multinationals (and other businesses) for taxes unpaid … in other words if you live work and profit from a society – pay to keep it – educated, healthy, well fed and happy … fairness for all … and a reasonable living standard for all … and business will do what it always has … work to make a profit …

    The service industry was always worth more than mining anyway?

    And tourism is set to boom … in the next ten years (signs in Japanese will be replaced by Chinese) …

    If we make a concerted effort we could also set up a renewable energy industry!

    * try taking either “plan”* to a boardroom … and try to flog it as a “plan” … dead horse springs to mind …

  460. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:42 am

    And just to get rid once and for all the – “it woz Labor’s fault” – line, you keep spouting …

    Not really. Koukoulas is a false prophet. No wonder you link to him Like attracts like.

    Koukoulas likes to play funny games with numbers to fool people. However deceitful human beings like being fooled. Koukoulas is easily the most dishonest unethical economist i have ever seen. He is not mistaken, Kouk misleads people. I guess because people like being mislead. An honest person would NEVER trust Kouk.

  461. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:42 am

    (this device is not recognising all my handwriting)

    Neither do we … 🙂

    Simple spelling mistakes doesn’t explain the overall stoopid yomm.

    Did you mean … “simple selling mistake” … ?

    Just askin’ …

  462. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:43 am

    malformed egg with a tiny penis … or was that gravatar the image of an empty head …

  463. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:50 am

  464. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:56 am

    *Deficits will be higher under an ALP government.
    *The debt to GDP ratio will be higher .
    *Therefore the options for the next generation will be limited.
    *We will be less able to respond to an economic downturn

    …but let’s not worry because either the 3rd or the 4th term Shorten Government will make it all ok.
    —-
    BLAME THE MEDIA!

    Actually the point was made by well respected economists that ALP barrackers have quoted, but only when convenient

  465. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 11:59 am

    Where is Reb ?

    This thread is getting longer than Lawrence of Arabia

  466. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 12:00 pm

    That was not a Demand

    It was a hint

  467. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2016 12:03 pm

    The govt just borrowed another $500m. Not repaid until April 2029. One for the kids to repay? #ausvotes

    — Stephen Koukoulas (@TheKouk) June 10, 2016

    This is what Koukoulas thinks about debt.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3751658.htm

    The problem with the Australian level of gross debt now and this is the Basel three requirements for looking after banks in the post GFC world is we don’t have enough debt.

    Kouk is pure evil and it is no wonder Labor supporters link to him. Kouk thinks debt is not a problem and the more the better.

  468. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 12:08 pm

    I saw that interview with Judith Sloan………….she blew him (in a figurative sense) completely out of the water. It was hilarious watching him stumble.

  469. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 12:09 pm

    There must be a Reachtel poll out tonight. Seeing as I was polled a couple of nights ago

  470. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 12:22 pm

    That’s not a Robber Baron……………………..now this is a Robber Baron

    http://hotcopper.com.au/threads/guvera-ipo.2649056/

    PS Dont let anyone reach into your wallet for a piece of this IPO.

    Just “short it” and watch it sink

  471. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 12:28 pm

    “After the 43rd Parliament, I was exhausted. Getting a Senate and a House of Representatives to work together for a full term was hard work.

    Oh…..so we have him to thank for being the hero of the 43rd parliament

  472. June 10, 2016 12:31 pm

    Yes, yes, of course that`s it, simple teabags with stupid `devices` explains `all` the stoopid they post (-:

  473. June 10, 2016 12:47 pm

    because,,,,,either the 3rd or the 4th term Shorten Govt,,,,,#guffaw

    # ,, l`m not convinced blib could stump-up a watermelon-govt, let alone an outright `1st`-term one

  474. June 10, 2016 1:07 pm

    Sloan,,,,,she blew him,,,,,

    # ,, Judith has been deep-throating for the corporates for as long as l can remember, and it kind of makes a mockery of her `professor-ship` quals with some of the nonsense she hsa spouted over the years,

    # ,, more of that ponzi-education l`ve pointed to previously teebz, sloan is a great example of a `professor` with absolutely no wisdom of the `greater-picture`, basically a glorified teabag talking-head

  475. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 1:34 pm

    Here in Victoria this is a huge favour for Shorten!! It will keep reporting of their financial irresponsibility off the front page!

    Daniel Andrews’ Emergency Services Minister Jane Garrett has quit the cabinet over the proposed deal with the militant firefighters union.
    At an emergency cabinet meeting on Friday morning the Premier accepted her resignation.

    Amazing! Doing a grubby deal with a militant union to sideline a group of volunteers, and undermining the responsible minister.

    Danny Andrews – dumb or hack or both?

    He’s clearly not up to the job.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/emergency-services-minister-jane-garrett-has-resigned-20160610-gpg0on.html#ixzz4B8ySilLM

  476. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 1:44 pm

    ….and not only that… Go Danny!!

    Ms Garrett, 43, who is also Labor National Vice-President, had been seen as a rising star in Labor ranks.

    A good media performer, many thought she was a party asset, so much so that moves had been considered to find her a safe seat for the 2018 election to avoid a painful fight with the Greens in her inner city seat.

    Ms Garrett had shared the CFA and volunteers’ concern that the deal, as it stands, would undermine the role of volunteers and management to do their job.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/emergency-services-minister-jane-garrett-has-resigned-20160610-gpg0on.html#ixzz4B91TnQN9

  477. June 10, 2016 1:51 pm

    Our Watch,,,,,CEO Mary Barry has called on the media to help write a new story linking gender inequality to violence against women to ultimately create long-lasting generational change,,,,,

    ,,,,,The media play an important role in dispelling myths,,,,,#guffaw #oh.mary

    ,,,,,Australians and politicians are now starting to take a more “clear-eyed” look at the social and cultural context in which violence arises, as can be seen in the new ‘Stop It At The Start’ campaign which has the full backing of the federal, state and territory governments.,,,,,

    ,,,,,It tells the story of this inequality and lack of ##respect,,,,,

    # ,, while true, it lacks two other components that teabag-media won`t figure-out either, #girl-on-girl-respect and #self-respect

    (but one out of three aint bad)

  478. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2016 1:56 pm

    , Judith has been deep-throating for the corporates for as long as l can remember

    Koukoulas said this.

    The problem with the Australian level of gross debt now and this is the Basel three requirements for looking after banks in the post GFC world is we don’t have enough debt. Australia is one of two countries, the other one being Singapore, that got special dispensation because they don’t have enough debt to look after the banks and the RBA is guaranteeing the bank deposits. So we’ve got gross debt that’s ridiculously low

    Koukoulas is a fraud, liar, false prophet, evil, immoral, unethical, dishoneat and corrupt. One of the worst human beings to walk on this planet.

  479. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 2:23 pm

    Hilarious!! Go Danny!! Go union/political hacks!!

    Suppress those volunteers!

    The government has given the Country Fire Authority board until 5pm to accept the controversial deal with the firefighters’ union or face dismissal.

    The ultimatum was delivered on Friday afternoon by Deputy Premier James Merlino, as he was announced as a replacement for former Emergency Services Minister Jane Garrett.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/emergency-services-minister-jane-garrett-has-resigned-20160610-gpg0on.html#ixzz4B9BMT6Ku

  480. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2016 2:45 pm

    Jane Garrett is something unique in Unionland politics – a person with spine and decency.

  481. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 3:13 pm

    Odder and odder, forsooth … !

  482. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 3:53 pm

    This is great news, and it will ensure that this pathetic government is put under more pressure during the next week or 2.

    Go Danny!

    …Bill Shorten must be delighted!!

    (this is what a government run by union hacks looks like)

    A Supreme Court Judge has granted Volunteer Fire Brigades Victoria an interim injunction to stop the Country Fire Authority from signing a controversial pay deal until Tuesday.
    The ruling was made just hours before the deadline imposed by the State Government.
    Premier Daniel Andrews had given the CFA board until 5pm to sign the agreement with the United Firefighters Union or risk being sacked.
    Justice Michael McDonald said he would grant the injunction and adjourn the case until Tuesday, June 14, at 2:15pm.
    Justice McDonald said he was “satisfied that there is a serious question to be tried” in regards to whether the volunteers had been adequately consulted on the agreement.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cfa-crisis-supreme-court-grants-interim-injunction-on-firefighters-pay-deal-20160610-gpghcf.html#ixzz4B9XUciLY

  483. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 4:06 pm

    “[But] it is deeply concerned about the decision to allow ADF members to march in uniform in an event which patently allows participants to mock and vilify religious faith, and which also has a political agenda,” he wrote.

    Silly man … we all know that all religions have a political agenda … maybe ADF members shouldn’t be seen in churches, mosques, temples and other religious gathering grounds …

    Shakes head …

  484. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 4:08 pm

    …Bill Shorten must be delighted!!

    My guess is that he’ll do what he’s always done … abide by the impartial umpires decision … its nothing to do with Federal politics anyway … ToM BOO!

  485. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2016 4:15 pm

    “Shakes head …”…………………….Rattles

    Fixed !

  486. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 4:17 pm

    “impartial umpires decision”

    Hilarious!

    I just had a look at how matters are normally allocated, by FWA panels. Former AMWU hack Julius Row isn’t even on the panel that deals with the firefighters, he is allocated clerks!!

    What was the arrangement to get a tame ALP oriented commissioner/former union hack to look after this dispute?

    https://www.fwc.gov.au/at-the-commission/members-panels/the-panel-system

  487. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2016 4:24 pm

    My guess is that he’ll do what he’s always done” you mean there is someone left for him to backstab?

  488. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 4:28 pm

    GO ALP appointees/hacks!!

    Favours returned!

    LABOR has been accused of blatant hypocrisy and stacking Fair Work Australia with union ”mates” after five of its six appointments as new commissioners had union backgrounds.
    Among the appointees are Julius Roe, national president of the left-wing Australian Manufacturing Workers Union.
    Also appointed were ACTU senior industrial officer Michelle Bissett, a senior official with the shop assistants’ union, David Ryan, and Anne Gooley, a former union official and principal at labour-friendly law firm Maurice Blackburn

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/fair-work-stacks-up-well-for-unions-20091215-kujy.html#ixzz4B9gmDYpf

  489. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 6:06 pm

    Shakes head …”…………………….Rattles

    No, wally, that’s for “shakes tail” … noice try tho’ …

  490. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 6:14 pm

    … you mean there is someone left for him to backstab?

    If its good enough for MALfunction?

    ” … we’ve lost thirty newspolls” … says MAL … don’t get too cocky … MAL is led by the party … Bill leads his!

    Hypocrites abound!

  491. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 6:18 pm

    LABOR has been accused of blatant hypocrisy and stacking Fair Work Australia with union ”mates” after five of its six appointments as new commissioners had union backgrounds.

    BOO! the LIBERAL PARTY has been in government for almost THREE years …

    Obsession … all tory appointees/hacks want to discuss is LABOR!

    Because there’s nothing to talk about the tories’ do nothings …

  492. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2016 6:55 pm

    Well I never! Who would ever have thought that TB would prefer “Look over there” to actually criticising the ALP?

  493. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 7:08 pm

    “impartial umpires decision”

    Is TB serious? He can’t be.

  494. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 8:15 pm

    “Look over there” to actually criticising the ALP?

    Go back a decade and you’ll find that I have on many occasions … and if you read real close … I still do … on this fred even … as for you … communists under my bed!

    Just how fkn old are you!

    Is TB serious? He can’t be

    No more than you, BOO!

  495. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2016 8:34 pm

    Here’s a great example of the ALP government observing the “impartial umpire’s decision”

    Hours later, proceedings were commenced by the Andrews government to sack the CFA board, which had been in lock step with Ms Garrett over its opposition to the agreement.

    The mass sackings came despite the Supreme Court granting an injunction sought by the volunteers’ association preventing any workplace agreement being signed before June 22.

    So the CFA board is bound by an actual injunction by a supreme court judge (rather than an FWA hack tainted recommendation), but the Danny Andrews moves to sack them!!

    Complete rabble, but that’s what happens when you get a government that is the puppet of unions

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/emergency-services-minister-jane-garrett-has-resigned-20160610-gpg0on.html#ixzz4BAgBGFDV

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:01 pm

    Pumpkin Patch underpays its employees … fkn unions!

  497. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:57 pm

    If true this will make Labors NBN useless

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/alphabet-execs-want-to-beam-high-speed-wireless-internet-into-the-home/news-story/28908983c1f33a41a6bf9dfa88a38870

    GOOGLE’S parent company Alphabet is working on a way to beam high speed internet into people’s homes without having to use underground cables.

    While Google has been laying fibre optic cable for four years, new technology could make it possible to deliver super high speed wireless internet from “point to point”……………..It’s likely still a very long way off, but if the technology proves as viable and effective as Alphabet hopes, not only would it reduce the cost and complexity of connecting homes to high speed internet, but it would leave other technologies such as the NBN’s FTTN in the dust

  498. Dubble Dissolution permalink
    June 11, 2016 1:38 am

    (Whereas enjoying the solitude, far from the noisy world of not-barracking on risk-of-risk-of-risk parametrics, especially any (ill)founded on potentially-iffy quotelets, perhaps, is to be recommended; even as process(es) and deliberation(s) roll(s) on; it also may be the happenstance that a later Massola agreement represents an (in)explicable would v. could transform; a (de)construction not necessarily at variance with latest Massola recountal?)

  499. Satisficing Uses permalink
    June 11, 2016 2:22 am

    (If true this will make Labors NBN useless

    if true

    ————————————

    Koukoulas is a fraud, liar, false prophet, evil, immoral, unethical, dishoneat and corrupt. One of the worst human beings to walk on this planet.

    As I understand Koukoulas’s orthodox(?) statement(s) about the (inter)relationship(s) between Basel III, banks, and government ‘debt’, it has something to do with cars; in which case, what may be driving present(ed) discussion about government-related AAA ratings, among other matters, may have as much, or more, to do with big banks and their (re)product(ion)s as with government?)

  500. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 9:26 am

    If true this will make Labors NBN useless

    You should read ALL the article, neel.

    It’s likely still a very long way off, …

    They’re working on a cure for comprehension too …

  501. June 11, 2016 12:04 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  502. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 12:48 pm

    He’s POSH! 😀

  503. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 12:50 pm

    Labor just sent an email asking for a $5 donation for advertising …

    LNP just sent an email asking for a donation of $25 for advertising …

    Tells a bit about the parties’ demographics … hey?

  504. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2016 12:59 pm

    I get 4 or 5 emails every day from the ALP, all asking for money, each from a different person (Bill, Chris, Tanya etc) but with the same email address. The email address isn’t monitored so no replies accepted.

    That says something about how much Bill, Chris, Tanya and the ALP care about feedback.

  505. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2016 2:36 pm

    They’re working on a cure for comprehension too …

    My comprehension is OK. Most things the ALP does do not work. The NBN could be the biggest white elephant in history.

  506. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 11, 2016 2:45 pm

  507. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 3:09 pm

    I get 4 or 5 emails every day from the ALP …

    Yep, the same as the LNP … FMD, ToM … they both do the same fkn thing! And you try to make out only Labor does it … duh!

    Don’t worry about it tho’ your masters are just as (un)subtle …

  508. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 3:10 pm

    My comprehension is OK.

    No its not … you just provided proof …

  509. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2016 3:21 pm

    I’m just balancing it up TB. You seem to think the ALP is preferable in their method of soliciting for cash

  510. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 3:25 pm

    Fast forward to 2016 and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has nailed the routine – he’s out on the road looking relaxed, friendly and visibly having fun.

    But Turnbull looks bored, awkward and arrogant.

    His security personnel are also more aggressive towards the travelling media representatives compared to Shorten’s and that is costing him good shots.

    There’s also sometimes a lack of imagination.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pms-campaign-lacking-active-verbs/news-story/382c2ec29061267f9164fbcd340b4798

  511. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 3:27 pm

    Read the comments below the article …

    Later, a female protester confronted Turnbull about the Adani coal mine, Nambour hospital and refugees.

    The Liberal senator James McGrath shot back at her: “Who pays your dole?”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/11/malcolm-in-rudd-heartland-llamas-pythons-and-bush-poetry-in-nambour

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You seem to think the ALP is preferable in their method of soliciting for cash

    How on earth do you reach that conclusion?

  512. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2016 4:07 pm

    No its not … you just provided proof …

    What proof? Most things the ALP does destroys the lives of people. It is an evil political party.

    We had a better broadband policy back in 2007 but Labor abolished it.

    http://www.techworld.com.au/article/395910/opel_would_serving_bush_broadband_today_turnbull/

    Federal opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has used his National Press Club address to argue the decision to scrap the Howard government’s OPEL network for an NBN has denied the bush broadband services over the past three years.

    The Coalition had a broadband policy for the cities as well. We are now stuck with Labors NBN for good or bad.

    A NBN built by the govt is so socialist and will be expensive and slow to build. Thank you ALP.

  513. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 4:22 pm

    Proved it again …

  514. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2016 5:19 pm

    Go Danny! More favours for your militant mates. F**K those volunteers

    This is what a government looks like when it is contorted
    it is controlled by the self interested union affiliates…

    Furious CFA volunteers have aired their anger at the government, with some threatening to resign, in response to the CFA board being dismissed by newly-appointed Emergency Services Minister James Merlino.

    The board’s sacking came despite the Supreme Court granting an injunction sought by the volunteers’ association preventing any workplace agreement being signed before June 22.

    http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/sacked-minister-resurfaces-as-cfa-resignations-begin-20160611-gpgxuu.html

  515. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2016 5:22 pm

    …typo due to my handwriting . But contorted probably makes sense

  516. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 11, 2016 5:30 pm

    …This is what a government looks like when it is contorted
    it is controlled by the self interested union affiliates…

    Yet you had no such problem with casino mike sacking councils and installing his own people in an act of pure self interest.

  517. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 5:38 pm

    As per usual … ignored my question after you accused me … ToM!

    “”” How on earth do you reach that conclusion? “””

  518. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2016 5:59 pm

    Yet you had no such problem with casino mike sacking councils and installing his own people in an act of pure self interest.

    Who’s that?

  519. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2016 6:00 pm

    This is an interesting look at how councils operate in Sydney!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rats_in_the_Ranks

  520. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 6:16 pm

    Robber Barons at work …

    A Coalition candidate has quit after it emerged he owns a Frankston brothel called Paradise Playmates.

    Taiwan-born massage therapist John Min-Chiang Hsu resigned as the Liberal Party candidate for the Victorian seat of Calwell after his ties to the brothel were revealed on Saturday.

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Liberal+candidate+brothel+owner

    Those fkn unions BOO!

    BTW ToM … accusation … reply … ?

  521. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 6:25 pm

    Larry Hand! FMD dragging the sewers now, TOM! That was 20 years ago! One Fuckwit!

    TurnAbbott is in deepshit and you obviously know it! Shall I bring up JBP’s shenanigans …

    Stick with 2016 … oh, wait … too hard for The Master Turnbull & His Puppets …

    Shorten will destroy the tories on the hustings … Shorten man of the people … TurnAbbott POSH Cayman Islands resident wannabe …

  522. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2016 6:32 pm

    Shorten man of the people …

    Shorten is an ALP guy and therefore an evil person. Like all ALP people he will destroy the lives of good people helping other people.

  523. June 11, 2016 6:45 pm

    “A Coalition candidate has quit after it emerged he owns a Frankston brothel called Paradise Playmates.”

    Brothels are legal in Victoria, as is owning a licenced brothel. He is a small business owner. His ‘mistake’ was that he had “not fully declared his business interests prior to applying for endorsement as required”. A bit harsh considering several sitting MPs have recently been found out for exactly the same thing. Without penalty!

  524. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2016 7:16 pm

    Tony

    What is your point in posting something like that? Has it occurred to you the allegation could be wrong? And if true that is disgraceful. The man should be thrown out of the party.

  525. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 7:20 pm

    Proved your lack of comprehension again … sperm? Mmmmm

    ToSY really is an “artiste” in so many ways!

    And understands the Aussie political psyche so well!

    A bit harsh considering several sitting MPs have recently been found out for exactly the same thing. Without penalty!

    We like links around here … hey ToM?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oi! ToM!

    As per usual … ignored my question after you accused me … ToM!

    “”” How on earth do you reach that conclusion? “””

    Well?

  526. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 7:22 pm

    The man should be thrown out of the party.

    FUCK! Even, egg, gets it!

  527. June 11, 2016 7:29 pm

    Neil, I don’t get your point. The only thing this person has done wrong is a failure to declare a certain financial interest. He was a candidate. As you can see from my links, actual MPs are guilty of the same thing, and suffer no consequences.

  528. June 11, 2016 7:33 pm

    BTW, did TB call Feeney or Xenophon ‘robber barons’, or do his ‘principles’ only apply to one side of politics?

  529. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2016 7:41 pm

    Neil, I don’t get your point.

    My point is that MP’s should not be involved in industries that have a hint of immorality. Brothels enslave women.

  530. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 11, 2016 7:48 pm

    Firefighters must support pros
    http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/3961383/firefighters-must-support-pros/

    …There has been quite a lot of discussion about the Country Fire Authority enterprise bargaining agreement (EBA) in the past week.

    I am a CFA volunteer and prior to being asked to participate in the protest rally last Sunday, I had little interest in the EBA negotiations.

    Instead of blindly following, I decided to read the final recommendation so that I could make up my own mind about how we (CFA volunteers) would be affected.

    After reading the recommendations that were handed down by Fair Work Commissioner Julius Roe, I find it hard to understand why so many people are opposing his recommendations.

    I didn’t see anything in the final recommendation that would adversely affect CFA volunteers and I have no reason to believe that my role as a volunteer firefighter will change…

    …I think it’s disappointing that some politicians have become involved with this EBA and are trying to gain political mileage by attempting to create division within the CFA.

    It’s not fair that I have been put in a position where I have been asked to choose a side.

    We are all firefighters, we all wear the same uniform and do what is needed to keep our communities safe.

    Now, more than ever, we need to remain united and support the paid professional firefighters who are well overdue having their enterprise agreement finalised…

  531. June 11, 2016 7:49 pm

    “Brothels enslave women.”

    Do they Neil? Or do they offer jobs in the world’s oldest profession, in a relatively safe environment (compared to street-walking, for example)?

  532. June 11, 2016 7:55 pm

    “My point is that MP’s should not be involved in industries that have a hint of immorality.”

    The trouble with that argument is whose version of morality do we use to judge these things. I prefer a society organised by laws.

  533. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 11, 2016 9:09 pm

  534. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2016 10:03 pm

    Links? Are you implying you don’t know what I’m referring to TB?

    No brothels in that lot … the oldest “profession” – do you have a link for that?

    I prefer a society organised by laws. Religious hypocrisy … what happened to morals?

    Only a week ago you were defending the church … mmmmm

  535. June 11, 2016 10:08 pm

    “No brothels in that lot … the oldest “profession” – do you have a link for that?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_profession_(phrase)

    “Religious hypocrisy … what happened to morals? Only a week ago you were defending the church … mmmmm”

    Link? Apparently we like links here, not just assertions.

  536. June 11, 2016 10:12 pm

    Wiki: “The oldest profession in the world (or The world’s oldest profession) is a phrase that, unless another meaning be specified, refers to prostitution.”

  537. June 11, 2016 10:19 pm

    “Religious hypocrisy … what happened to morals?”

    When some here have argued for or against something on moral grounds, I have ridiculed them as “moralising moralisers”. In a free society the rule of law is preferable.

  538. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2016 11:13 pm

    WOW!!

    There Are 1200 CFA branches and less than 3% of them have so far supported the grubby deal! Just get another 500 on board AO and those tweets might have some credibility.

  539. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2016 8:38 am

    BTW, did TB call Feeney or Xenophon ‘robber barons’, or do his ‘principles’ only apply to one side of politics?

    Actually … YES!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You seem to think the ALP is preferable in their method of soliciting for cash

    How on earth do you reach that conclusion?

  540. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2016 8:45 am

    In a free society the rule of law is preferable.

    In fact I agree with you ToSY … but think of all those “moralising moralisers” who vote LIBERAL, guess what will be on topic at churches this morning?

  541. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2016 9:01 am

    Even news.com.au understands what ROBBER BARONS are …

    Environmentalist children have attempted to gatecrash a lavish Liberal Party fundraiser attended by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

    Following a whirlwind tour of Queensland electorates, the Prime Minister returned to Sydney on Saturday in time to attend the $10,000-a-head Vaucluse event hosted by entertainment baron Justin Hemmes.

    It is understood couples were forking out up to $12,000 to be there. Greenpeace climate and energy campaigner Nikola Čašule, present at the small protest, said they found out about the fundraiser when it was revealed in The Sydney Morning Herald.

    “It shouldn’t be closed door events like this that decide public policy. Everyone should have a voice on the issues that concern them,” he told Fairfax Media.

    “Children are the ones that are going to be most affected by climate change and politicians are not acting.”

    Mr Turnbull recently restated his view that, “in an ideal world”, political donations from corporations and unions would be banned and a cap placed on donations from individuals.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-youngsters-try-to-gatecrash-justin-hemmes-liberal-fundraiser-20160611-gph5es.html

    I had no idea who Justin Hemmes was until I read an article that named him … always pays to read the last para at news.com.au

    http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/2016-federal-election-rolling-coverage-of-the-campaign-day-35/news-story/57b6dace9ca349196d7dcac3f7365ef5

    … so I checked him out …

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Justin+Hemmes

  542. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2016 12:25 pm

    TB you think soliciting small amounts of cash shows some type of difference between the parties . Why?

  543. June 12, 2016 12:25 pm

    “Actually … YES!”

    No, you did not. (A simple key-word search proves it.)

  544. June 12, 2016 12:26 pm

    “but think of all those “moralising moralisers” who vote LIBERAL, guess what will be on topic at churches this morning?”

    I’m sure I wouldn’t know.

  545. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2016 12:50 pm

    Go Danny! This will be in the media for the next 3 weeks!

    Bill should be delighted, because is an example of a bad government that makes bad decisions to help out their militant mates

    … and community organisations can go F** K themselves!

    Furious CFA volunteers have aired their anger at the government, with some threatening to resign, in response to the CFA board being dismissed by newly-appointed Emergency Services Minister James Merlino.

    The board’s sacking came despite the Supreme Court granting an injunction sought by the volunteers’ association preventing any workplace agreement being signed before June 22.

    http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/sacked-minister-resurfaces-as-cfa-resignations-begin-20160611-gpgxuu.html

  546. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2016 1:03 pm

    Even news.com.au understands what ROBBER BARONS are …

    What is your point? Justin Hemmes is corrupt or he is just wealthy? There are lots of wealthy ALP voters.

  547. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2016 1:30 pm

    Justin Hemmes is corrupt or he is just wealthy? Is he corrupt – I don’t know … but I know he’s buying favours from the Caretaker Prime Meddler @ $10,000 a SEAT!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TB you think soliciting small amounts of cash shows some type of difference between the parties . Why?

    Read “carefully” my original comment … why do you lot have to have every comment explained to you … ?

    Here I’ll help you out – again!

    “””” Labor just sent an email asking for a $5 donation for advertising …

    LNP just sent an email asking for a donation of $25 for advertising …

    Tells a bit about the parties’ demographics … hey?””””

    NOTHING about SOLICITING … but about – value and demographic …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sure I wouldn’t know.

    I know …

  548. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2016 1:57 pm

    … and community organisations can go F** K themselves!

    Thats been the attitude from governments for a long time now. The only ones who get preferential treatment are those run by organised religion or make large donations. Environmental organisations are disparaged and laws made to stop them from protesting in NSW. Lucky for the CFA that they are in Vic and even allowed to protest.

    For people who spend their days making laws to force upon the rest of us, they don’t worry too much about obeying the laws themselves.

    Ziggy’s whistleblower hypocrisy
    https://delimiter.com.au/2016/05/31/ziggys-whistleblower-hypocrisy/

  549. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2016 2:48 pm

    Do you seriously suggest that the ALP isn’t sending out requests for $20?

    Honestly TB…

  550. June 12, 2016 3:02 pm

    “Do you seriously suggest that the ALP isn’t sending out requests for $20?”

    More, actually.

    “the Libs asked for $50 donations upfront, the ALP gave the option of a $5 or $33 donation.”

  551. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2016 3:19 pm

    Starting price ALP $5 … off you go ToSY …

    Found it for you …

    Got a spare $5? The LNP would like you to give it to them to help “fight back the heavy-handed union attempts to take over workplaces and the construction industry”.

    Timing their donation pledge mere hours after news broke the Brisbane office of the CFMEU was being raided by the Australian Federal Police, LNP state director Lincoln Folo sent an email asking supporters for a $5 donation to help tackle what he labelled the union’s “$10 million war chest and its 64,000-strong paid army”.

    Terrified of the unions … if I recall the email I received it said the unions BOO! beat Howard at the 2007 elections … LOL!

  552. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2016 3:20 pm

    Wish I had a spare fkn $5 it wouldn’t be going to any political party that’s for sure …

  553. June 12, 2016 3:35 pm

    “Wish I had a spare fkn $5 it wouldn’t be going to any political party that’s for sure …”

    I think we can all agree on that one.

  554. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2016 8:17 pm

    Whooo … hooo

  555. Smoking Jacket permalink
    June 13, 2016 1:31 am

    (Excuse me it’s kind of you to ask but we are just going to talk about the flood and the storm here in Tasmania and the way in which we’re supporting the community here. We can talk about politics on another occasionother political issues on another occasion if that is alright.)

  556. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2016 8:33 am

  557. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2016 10:02 am

    It’s disgraceful the way Trump has tried to make political capital out of the Orlando tragedy

    He’s a compete c**t

  558. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2016 10:17 am

    Agree, ToM … absofknlutely!

  559. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2016 10:28 am

    Australia become the same as USA … no thanks …

    BLOOD banks are calling for donations after a mass shooting in Orlando — but an outdated federal law prevents gay and bisexual men from contributing, angry critics said Sunday.

    My guess its from the early days of HIV (and all blood would be tested now anyway) … and simply left on the statutes …

  560. June 13, 2016 10:40 am

    I suppose there’ll be another #illridewithyou campaign, to support the real victims here: Muslims on public transport dealing with the threat of islamophobia.
    /sarcasm

  561. June 13, 2016 10:46 am

    “but an outdated federal law prevents gay and bisexual men from contributing, angry critics said Sunday.”

    How would they even enforce that? Even if there’s a form to fill in and you have to declare your orientation (which I doubt), what are they going to do if a gay person who wants to donate blood ticks ‘heterosexual’?

  562. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2016 11:26 am

    Good point … ToSY!

    Although this is the same mob that asks, on the entry form, if you’ve ever been a member of the Nazi Party or Communist Party when you hit LAX! And keep on asking every time you fly there …

  563. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2016 11:44 am

    Looks like the actual election campaign is beginning TODAY

    Labor are going to hit malcayman hard on his nobn. yabots set him (and the libs) up to fail

  564. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2016 11:47 am

    NBN for three solid weeks. + medicare, + Gonski.

    the libs are in for a sordid time I hope.

    In announcing a policy to ditch Malcolm Turnbull’s favoured method of broadband delivery entirely, Labor has made a political decision that will play well with large portions of the electorate, who have never been sold on the idea that his decision to pursue fibre to the node (FTTN) was technically or financially prudent.

    Despite the slightly odd choice of announcing its decision to return large parts of the NBN to fibre to the premise on a public holiday for many Australians, this is a bold move that hits the government (and particularly the Prime Minister) in a notable weak spot.

    http://www.afr.com/technology/web/nbn/labor-goes-almost-all-in-on-fibre-nbn-posing-big-questions-on-turnbulls-fttn-20160612-gphheq

  565. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2016 11:49 am

    Also interesting that while Parkeelia continues to unfold under the noses of a disinterested media, yomm finds time to complain about being asked for $5

    Perspective fog right there!

  566. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2016 12:14 pm

    Interesting article …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/banking/questions-over-spate-of-suicides-among-deutsche-bank-executives/news-story/f03c963669d7e01e8d9cca2f64240567

    We need a RC into Financial Institutions and a Federal ICAC … now

    And just what did happen to The Panama Papers!

  567. June 13, 2016 7:04 pm

    Well that didn`t take long did it??? (boo-melb`s family at it again)

  568. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2016 9:50 pm

    LATELINE!

    Does Bananaby Juice know that driving with one hand and a coffee in the other is breaking the law?

    Driving with undue care and attention!

    Hope the cops raid his house tonight!

    Fuckwit©!

  569. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 9:07 am

    Does Bananaby Juice know that driving with one hand and a coffee in the other is breaking the law?

    Was Barnaby talking about that f**kwit Shorten? And his prang with a parked car?

  570. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 9:11 am

    How we laughed! A prize f**kwit

    Shorten crashes into a parked car – coffee or phone?

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/shorten-sideswipes-parked-cars/6947290

  571. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 9:41 am

    Plent of Fuckwits© around, hey, ToM? ~(:-)

    You’d think, Bananaboy would have learned from Bill …

  572. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2016 9:51 am

    This clearly has nothing to do with Islam. It is caused by Christian homophobia, or Donald Trump, or the gun laws or anything, anything but Islam.

    Meanwhile Milo tells it like it is:

    Only one presidential candidate is being honest about it, which is why, if you are gay, there’s really only one choice in this election. (It was Latino night at the gay club, incidentally — Hispanics may wish to consider that, too.)

    We’ve also learned in the past few hours that the killer was already being watched by the FBI. This happened in Brussels, too. Both times, the security services dropped the ball. Something tells me that they’d be a lot more vigilant, and a lot less lenient to their surveillance targets, under a Trump administration.

    It’s not just gay people under threat. Atheist satirists in the west now live in fear of being executed because they drew the wrong cartoon. Women face the terrifying prospect of being attacked at night for wearing a short skirt.

    The barbaric cultures of Raqqa, Riyadh, and Kabul now prowl the streets of Cologne, Paris, and Orlando, Florida.

    Atheists, previously wedded to the political left, have started to grow sick of the constant Islam apologia. Left-leaning atheists like talk show host Dave Rubin and cult YouTuber Carl Benjamin have realised that the right is a greater ally against this barbaric, dark-age ideology than the left ever will be.

    Muslims are allowed to get away with almost anything. They can shut down and intimidate prominent ex-Muslims. They’re allowed to engage in the most brazen anti-semitism, even as they run for office in European left-wing political parties.

    And, of course, politicians and the media routinely turn a blind eye to the kind of sexism and homophobia that would instantly end the career of a non-Muslim conservative — and perhaps get the latter arrested for hate speech when he dared to object.

    We are now living with the consequences of that tolerance. Gays executed in nightclubs. Cartoonists lying in pools of blood. Women abused en masse.

    Once again, this isn’t about “radical” Islam. This isn’t a tiny fringe. In Britain, a 2009 Gallup survey found that not one Muslim believed that homosexual acts were acceptable. Not one! And another poll this year revealed that over half of British Muslims believe gay sex should be illegal.

    96 per cent of Palestinians believe that homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle choice, according to Pew Global data — making “Queers for Palestine” perhaps the dumbest movement since Semites for National Socialism.

  573. Tom R permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:04 am

    Seems milo’s as ideologically ignorant as you and that imbecile trump are.

  574. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:05 am

    Some interesting graphs in this article …

    In effect Howard was a very good downhill skier – good at looking good while things were easy; but the Rudd (and Gillard and Keating) governments were much better at outperforming the rest of the world.

    And surely that is the best guide of economic management.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/jun/14/new-research-abbott-and-turnbull-the-worst-economic-managers-since-menzies

  575. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:09 am

    So, sb, that’s the talking … what’s the walking with all these Muslims? What do you propose we do?

    Arrrest ’em, badge ’em and/or stick ’em in concentration camps …

  576. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:12 am

    So that means the Orlando shooter had nothing to do with Islam, Tom R?

  577. Tom R permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:14 am

    What do you propose we do?

    First step, stop listening to fuckwits like trump.

  578. Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:29 am

    Looks like David Cameron might be a goneski as PM after next week

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/eu-referendum-pound-falls-to-new-low-as-market-jitters-rise-a3270086.html

  579. Tom R permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:33 am

    So that means the Orlando shooter had nothing to do with Islam

    Of course no, but it isn’t all about Islam either.

  580. Tom R permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:35 am

    In fact, the Orlando shootings has more to do with Crazy and Americas gun laws than anything else.

  581. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:40 am

    Looks like David Cameron might be a goneski as PM after next week

    Got a cousin and his wife staying with us in October … and wants to transfer some £s here … not a happy chappy … (with the exchange rates) …

  582. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:47 am

    TR, the Orlando murderer seems to have been influenced heavily by his father!

    (Don’t know how they do it – my kids never listen to me! 😉 )*

    And I still believe that the USA is like a giant mental asylum … ready to explode (which it does – often) …

    *Not true of course – but that type of “influence” (madness) begins in the cradle

  583. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2016 11:45 am

    “In fact, the Orlando shootings has more to do with Crazy and Americas gun laws than anything else.”

    What a brain-dead disgusting piece of shit you are.

    How unsurprising that the Leftist/Islamofascist alliance is in full effect on this one.

  584. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2016 11:51 am

    “Orlando shooting: gay death cleric Farrokh Sekaleshfar preaching in Sydney

    Speaking of the Leftist/Islamofascist alliance what are the chances that KL’s socialist crew that goes around shutting people up will turn up for this guy? Didn’t think so.

  585. Tom R permalink
    June 14, 2016 12:13 pm

    What a brain-dead disgusting piece of shit you are.

    Whew, at least you didn’t call me trump!

  586. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 12:25 pm

    He seems to have found a religion that supports all his rangeof hatreds.

    To me, that’s a big part of the problem, nutcases have a religious philosophy that gives comfort to are many of their inclination to violence and insane prejudices.

  587. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 1:14 pm

    If it’s part of the unsavoury culture of the Catholic Church to prey on kids, why is it unreasonable to identify the ugly culture that Islam seems to encourage?

  588. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 1:25 pm

    If it’s part of the unsavoury culture of the Catholic Church to prey on kids, why is it unreasonable to identify the ugly culture that Islam seems to encourage?

    No-one is saying its unreasonable … but what do you propose to do? Talk is cheap … should I spy on my neighbours? What?

  589. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 1:27 pm

    Whew, at least you didn’t call me trump!

    Trump’s the good guy in this case – I think?

  590. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 1:56 pm

    It seems to me that Islam has more fundamentalist nutcases than other religions.

    Their superstitions, tolerance and practices are medieval .

  591. June 14, 2016 2:00 pm

  592. Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2016 2:02 pm

    “In fact, the Orlando shootings has more to do with Crazy and Americas gun laws than anything else.”

    Yeah

    And the Lindt Cafe incident was actually an attack on chocolate lovers

  593. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 2:21 pm

    Ranting doesn’t fix the problem your concerned about … what would you do?

    +++++++++++++++++

    David Burge? Mmmmm … that gravatar looks familiar?

  594. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 2:28 pm

    THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!

    LOL! What an actor! (Poor one too!)

    No wonder he runs a mile from any meaningful discussion with Bill Shorten … TurnAbbott is a control freak … and to have so much detail stage managed also tells you (and the Australian voters) he running scared …

    He’s asking the questions FFS! His job is to provide answers … what a convoluted idea of roles …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/welcome-to-the-malcolm-turnbull-show/news-story/2b3ffbb8989cc37f9f92f51ce270afd6

  595. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 2:57 pm

    The violent nutcases no longer need to feel marginalised. They now have a whole religion (with a million of other violent nutcases) to justify their slaughter and ugly prejudices

    … and they’re a community now.

  596. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 3:37 pm

    (with a million of other violent nutcases)

    You have a link for that …?

    You still haven’t said what you want to DO about it?

  597. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:00 pm

    He’s asking the questions FFS! His job is to provide answers … what a convoluted idea of roles …

    I bet it was by ‘invitation only’ and you must have rehearsed the lines.

    Typical libs style ‘meet the people’ event, except they never want to meet just anybody, it’s only for the rusted on supporters.

    It’s not even the liberal party anymore, it’s the TTCT Party [The Turnbull Coalition Team] he’ll need to change that logo for the vote papers or TTCT won’t get too many votes, their voters won’t have a clue who they represent [or was that the dastardly plan all along!]

  598. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:01 pm

    I’m quite ok with an increase in surveillance. More monitoring of violent nutcases seems like a good idea (bikies and drug dealers too)
    Put community safety as the main consideration in bail and release judgements (for example that f**kwit from the Lindt cafe siege should have already been in gaol)
    I’m beginning to think banning the burqua for women under 18 would be reasonable. Don’t allow it in public until a woman is notionally an adult
    Perhaps requiring the safe schools program to be run in all schools, including Islamic ones (yes and Catholic ones too)
    Look for every opportunity to demonstrate violent nutcases (and any perverse religion that gives them comfort) aren’t acceptable
    Call out the ‘community leaders’ that equivocate in their condemnation of jihadists and associated nutcases
    Prosecute them for inciting hatred.

    …that’s a start

  599. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:21 pm

    There’s about 1.6bn muslims in the world TB

    The most fanatical 0.06% (one in 1600) gives a million

  600. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:24 pm

    “… should I spy on my neighbours?”

    You already do. You told us about it. They are catlicks aren’t they? 🙂

    There are a few things the government can do based around the idea of promoting Western values.

    The first thing is to point out that practices which seek to imitate the barbarous activities of the Prophet and the first three generations of his followers will not be tolerated.

    Next is for the Government to identify the Muslim Brotherhood influence in Islamic affairs in Australia, call it out and have nothing to do with anyone associated with the Brotherhood or its front organisations. Thus the Mufti of Australia would be persona non grata on that basis.

    Next, given the violent Wahhabist version of Islam promoted around the world by Saudi Arabia, the Government should closely monitor all mosques, schools and institutions which have received significant Saudi funding.

    Mandatory life sentence for FGM.

    End prison Dawah.

  601. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:33 pm

    ToM

    Surveillance seems to be working – it seems to be the lack of follow up and action … and poor decision making. And I agree re bikies and d/dealers.

    Bail … I’ve always believed that poor decisions for bail need to have consequences for the bailers whether individuals or committees … once again poor decision making …

    Burqas are a problem … and not a Qoran requirement as some argue … but what changes on a woman’s 19th birthday?

    Safe schools program … yes … and not just catholic schools all schools … I’d prefer to see ALL private schools closed and true religious education in public schools – ie all religions, history, beliefs, geography etc … religion “should” be an adult decision – religions prefer the easier option – to brainwash children …

    Demonstrate unacceptable and violent behaviour by all means … I thought we did that as a nation … but not all individuals agree …

    Call out ANY community leaders that equivocate on ANY violent and unlawful acts … do all members of the catholic church condemn priestly pedophiles?

    Its a bit difficult to jail someone for “hatred” … may as well be jailed for swearing … unless you meant acts of hatred – ie vilifying immigrants on public transport?

    Suggestions:

    Ensure equality for all people … men, women, gay, transgender …

    Ensure that religious organisations are not operated by men but must have equality in the management of that religion or organisation … Freemasons spring to mind …

    Ban all religions

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The ad I produced is up and running on the “clients” website …

    If you want to see the ad I produced head to … http://www.lenenjan.com.au/SLICA.php

  602. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:37 pm

    You already do. You told us about it. They are catlicks aren’t they?

    No, the catlicks were friends (lived behind us – gate in fence! And travelled o/seas with them) … they downsized recently … lived there 30 years … don’t know where you got spying from …

    But I have a family of Muslims live next door … have a pleasant relationship with them … never had a problem … should I spy on them?

  603. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:39 pm

    “should I spy on them?”

    What did you have in mind?

  604. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:40 pm

    Be A Lert. Not A Larmed.

  605. Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:50 pm

    We spy on our neighbours inadvertently as we have a few security cameras hidden around the joint the vision for which does grab the roadway out the front and part of both neighbours front yards and driveways. I think they do the same to us. I’m quite comfortable with it and it does act a a deterent to the unwashed

  606. Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2016 4:53 pm

    “Ban all religions ” = Ban all Freedom of Thought

  607. June 14, 2016 5:08 pm

    “Ban all religions”

    That should work.

  608. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 5:16 pm

    Its a bit difficult to jail someone for “hatred” …

    I don’t thnk so, we have plenty of laws about inciting hatred, anyone giving comfort to Jihadists is inciting hatred.

    … but what changes on a woman’s 19th birthday?

    Give young women a chance to get into the life they prefer rather than the one her father chooses for her

    Demonstrate unacceptable and violent behaviour by all means …

    We don’t really do that. There is too much chanting of Islamophobia, and it’s a religion not a race, or nationality

    … do all members of the catholic church condemn priestly pedophiles?

    I don’t know TB, you’re the in-house expert on all things catholic, I’ve not heard any giving comfort to them recently. Can you show where this has happened in the past few years?

  609. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2016 5:41 pm

    Ban all religions

    Voting for the ALP is a religious act.

  610. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 5:55 pm

    Be A Lert. Not A Larmed.

    My dear old Mum once gave me a card (fer something) that said …

    Be alert … the world needs more lerts!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Nowt, lad … I have no intention of “spying” …

    +++++++++++++++++++++=+++

    “Ban all religions ” = Ban all Freedom of Thought

    “Ban all religions”

    That should work.

    My point exactly … if you get your freedoms … in a democracy so does everyone else …

    BTW, wally, brainwashing children into religion in schools is NOT freedom of thought (interesting that you use caps)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I don’t thnk so, we have plenty of laws about inciting hatred, anyone giving comfort to Jihadists is inciting hatred.

    And never applied to the Liberal Party haters, I’ve noticed … mm …

    Give young women a chance to get into the life they prefer rather than the one her father chooses for her

    How does a burqa change that? I’m suggesting banning the burqa just as we ban motorcycle helmets in banks … aren’t burqas also disallowed in “some” (?) courts … (back to 70-90% comms are NVC)

    We don’t really do that.

    Chanting Islamophobia … and yet you’all get upset about catlicks when I fire up!

    Its more than Islam its violence in so many ways (I’ve lived it and my father was not Islamic!) … have you not seen or heard the push against Domestic Violence?

    I’ve not heard ONE of my catlick friends (Yeah, I do!) condemn priestly pedophilia … is that tacit acceptance … as you are accusing the general population of Muslims having?

    But I don’t condemn my friends (the church YES! – something people here don’t understand) … just because they are catlick … but to condemn a religion for the act of how many in Australia?

    Compared to Muslim Jihadists … perpetrators of domestic violence score much higher on my list of arseholes in Australia … and homophobes for that matter …

    Using your methodology all husbands (and some wives) should be jailed …

    If only life was so simple …

    Quite frankly I believe the surveillance of by our authorities is adequate but I question the decisions of goody two shoes who have no responsibility for their actions!

  611. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 5:56 pm

    Voting for the ALP is a religious act

    More proof …

  612. June 14, 2016 6:00 pm

    teabag,,,,,Give young women a chance to get into the life they prefer rather than the one her father chooses for her,,,,,

    # ,, well folks, we now have confirmation the resident hypocrite doesn`t let his daughter see his blog-comments (-:

  613. June 14, 2016 6:06 pm

    tweet,,,,,,Doing an article on *vomits* politics. Is there a term for the IPA/NewsCorp/Liberal partnership? If not can we coin one, pls? #AusPol .. Nick Ross (@NickRossTech) June 14, 2016,,,,,,

    # ,, Nope. Sorry. Nothing springs to mind at the moment Nick (-:

  614. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 6:33 pm

    Chasing the big buck fks everything …

    http://www.news.com.au/sport/olympics/paperwork-blunder-places-stadium-in-jeopardy/news-story/882228b54ebd2dd7364194f3299e3d8b

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “”””””””””# ,, Nope. Sorry. Nothing springs to mind at the moment Nick (-:””””””””””””””

    LOL! Of course …

    Dickwits Incorporated!

  615. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 6:39 pm

    Tip of the iceberg alright …

    Human-caused climate change appears to have driven the Great Barrier Reef’s only endemic mammal species into the history books, with the Bramble Cay melomys, a small rodent that lives on a tiny island in the eastern Torres Strait, being completely wiped-out from its only known location.

    It is also the first recorded extinction of a mammal anywhere in the world thought to be primarily due to human-caused climate change.

    An expert says this extinction is likely just the tip of the iceberg, with climate change exerting increasing pressures on species everywhere.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/14/first-case-emerges-of-mammal-species-wiped-out-by-human-induced-climate-change

    Coal is good for people!

  616. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2016 6:49 pm

    Human-caused climate change appears

    As soon as the word “appears” appears you just know the report is bunkum. But lefties like to have their suspicions reinforced. The fact is the continued funding for this guys job depends on further bad new re: climate change.

    Why is it that ALP supporters are always attracted to false things?

  617. June 14, 2016 6:55 pm

    TB,,,,,I`ve not heard ONE of my catlick friends (Yeah, I do!) condemn priestly pedophilia .. is that tacit acceptance .. as you are accusing the general population of Muslims having?,,,,,

    # ,, the trouble is teebz, there is two (broadly) types of people in this world, the 1st type of people is the `forensic` type, they follow the evidence, science, reasoned argument etc to make their decisions on how they want things to be and do things.

    The 2nd group is the `cultist`, that gets an idea in their head and never budges from that point of view, no matter how much forensic fact, evidence, science is discovered.

    # ,, the global `and` national problem/s is, the `rulers` of most nations are `cultists`

  618. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2016 7:26 pm

    bizarre bullshit evident in some comments here

  619. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2016 7:30 pm

    Prosecute them for inciting hatred.
    …that’s a start

    Of course all religions, especially the fundy christians like the ACL and other zealots won’t agree, they incite hatred and peddle hatred of others to their flock too.

    Burqas are a problem … and not a Qoran requirement as some argue … but what changes on a woman’s 19th birthday?

    And why not that garb that the men wear too, the little hat and long dress, I guess that could capture jews and christians too. When is a woman allowed to dress as they choose?

    IMO, the way to go is to stop funding religion and allowing them to flourish at taxpayer’s expense. Stop giving all those lobbyists and ‘think tanks’ charitable status.

    Give young women a chance to get into the life they prefer rather than the one her father chooses for her…

    That goes for all the religions, call it what it is – child abuse. Get religion out of schools and homes.
    Don’t allow kids to have religious instruction until they are 18 yo and choose to do so as thinking adults, make it illegal until then, like gambling.

  620. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2016 7:35 pm

    …Ban all religions…

    Yep, good idea.

    I’d vote for any party that bans them and stops us funding them, that’s the deficit problem solved in one policy!

  621. June 14, 2016 7:38 pm

    Grubby antics from the CWU on Reportland tonight. #feeding.anti.onion.cult #here.comes.a.deluge

  622. June 14, 2016 7:48 pm

    “I’d vote for any party that bans them and stops us funding them, that’s the deficit problem solved in one policy!

    To the extent we “fund” religion, that’s fine. Stop doing it.

    As for banning religion, what could possibly go wrong there? I’m sure they would all abandon their beliefs overnight. Problem solved. World peace at the stroke of a pen.

  623. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2016 7:49 pm

  624. June 14, 2016 8:03 pm

    Primate caused global-cooling produced `snow-capped` coral. (-:

  625. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2016 8:04 pm

    PM pressed on arrangement that sends taxpayer funds to party-owned company
    http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/pm-pressed-on-arrangement-that-sends-taxpayer-funds-to-partyowned-company/news-story/4026e1a563c37e9f4c2713aa7d54ecef

    …IT LOOKS like one of the neatest business models ever to involve taxpayer money and the direct financial benefit of a political party.
    And that is why Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull will face increasing accusations the Liberals are milking public funds in cynical fashion…

    Wow, pauline has competition for the hate votes.Plenty of hate talk in this political party. Should they be banned?

    Malcolm wants it all ways, wants to make mealy mouthed progressive sounding commentary but then says we should do nothing. Sorry but you’re the PM, it’s in your power to make the decision.

  626. June 14, 2016 8:35 pm

    tweet,,,,,Polling shows Kelly O`Dwyer`s seat within Greens’ grasp after collapse in support,,,,,

    # ,, l think this one`s `wishful` thinking myself armchair. While it would be excellent to see odwyer bounced by anybody really. Unfortunately in politics, the more useless the critter is, the more luck the critter has at election time. As the `new-model` bronny-copter in training, surely the odwyer critter will be cemented-in there for decades, just as underwhelming critters like bronny, john-w, rabbit, blib, talkbull and bow-wow shall-be/have-been.

  627. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2016 10:04 pm

    Re: Ban all religions … my original comment was tongue in cheek … obviously impossible …

    … for the straight of mind … ~(:-)

  628. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2016 9:19 am

    1. Greens are preferencing Fred Nile in front of a gay indigenous candidate – who happens to be a Liberal Party candidate. The Greens are so ethical!

    2. Bill Shorten weighs into the debate over council amalgamation in metro Sydney, but won’t comment on the use of federal laws to undermine a volunteer organisation (CFA) because it’s a state issue! Mr Consistency!

    The deal with the fireman’s union is yet another example of the unsatisfactory control unions have over the ALP, against the public interest

  629. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2016 9:20 am

    3. Can we have a new thread please?

  630. Walrus permalink
    June 15, 2016 9:45 am

    I think Comment Number 4,163 a few weeks ago mentions a request for a new thread too

  631. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2016 10:17 am

    Look at what TBs vote has done to Queensland

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/queensland-budget-2016-curtis-pitts-reckoning-day-will-come/news-story/4dd3fd2cb08337512eba95400c88f485

    When it comes to analysing a state budget, there are two key variables to look for. What’s happening to employee expenses and what’s happening to government debt.

    On both scores, the Queensland government’s mark is a fail……….The day of reckoning will come and, it is not far away. Were the federal government to lose its AAA rating, Queensland would very quickly be marked down a further notch or two. Note Queensland was the first to lose its AAA rating after successive Labor governments racked up massive increases in debt and ramped up the size of the public service.

    Rather than face the obvious facts that asset sales are required to reduce the excessive level of government debt, and that public sector employee expenses must be seriously constrained, the government would prefer to take a series of short-run decisions that will ­inevitably end in tears.

Go on say something, you'll feel better...

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: