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June 15, 2016

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Gather round everybody.

I just thought I’d check in on how you’re all going in this so-called “election campaign.”

Personally I’ve tuned out completely.

I can hardly bring myself to watch the evening news on ABC TV these days, ‘little lone’ (sic) hang around to watch the 7:30 report.   And as for those children’s breakfast TV shows otherwise known as Sunrise and Today, well you can forget about it.

How many more weeks of this complete and utter bullshit must we endure.

So, anyway, for those who are similarly disaffected and are unsure what to do given the complete media managed stage fest of verbal gymnastics, obfuscation, diversion and outright untruths, I have prepared this simple yet easy to use “How to vote” card.

Remember; your vote doesn’t really count.

 

 

 

 

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96 Comments leave one →
  1. June 15, 2016 10:34 am

    3. Can we have a new thread please?

    No.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2016 10:42 am

    No

    Thank you

  3. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2016 11:49 am

    1. Greens are preferencing Fred Nile in front of a gay indigenous candidate – who happens to be a Liberal Party candidate. The Greens are so ethical!

    lols@yomm from the other thread.

    Did you have any ‘context’ for that inanity? I just heard it on Something Wonky. Apparently, on their HTV cards, they put the libs very last (number 10 or something) and nile second to last

    ROFL

    With preferences like that

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  4. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2016 11:51 am

    NBN chairman Ziggy Switkowski wilfully and deliberately breached the Caretaker Conventions, ignoring official advice to publish an inflammatory article defending the NBN during the Election Campaign, according to an investigation by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet.

    https://delimiter.com.au/2016/06/15/ziggy-deliberately-breached-caretaker-conventions-2/?utm_content=buffer4918f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2016 11:53 am

    Yeah! Greens prefer that f**kwit Fred Nile to a gay indigenous candidate!

    It’s their deal, but you’re welcome to support it

  6. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2016 11:57 am

    hmmm, the stoopid is strong in this one.

    I’m sure hte gay local candidate will have much pull withing the rwlp, since even their leader can’t make changes he ‘claims’ he wants

    ROFL

    Just remember, ALWAYS put libs last!

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 12:01 pm

    I’m bored already (again) …

    Can we have a new fred, please …

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 12:10 pm

    NBN chairman Ziggy Switkowski wilfully and deliberately …

    Yeah, I can just imagine … “don’t do it, Ziggy, don’t do it …” snicker, giggle, chortle “no-one can touch you anyway!” …

    Cheats, liars and thieves …

    Switkowski, fkd up Telstra too … he’s a fkn nuclear physicist (from memory) … no management quals at all … and obviously not a quick learner … but a good stooge!

  9. Walrus permalink
    June 15, 2016 12:12 pm

    European Council president Donald Tusk warns………………………..

    “As a historian I fear Brexit could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also Western political civilisation in its entirety,” …………“Every family knows that a divorce is traumatic for everyone … Everyone in the EU, but especially the Brits themselves, would lose out economically.”

    I call BULLSHIT !

    The only ones that need to shit themselves are the Lefties, the Deadweight nations making up the Euro and the bureaucrats in Brussels

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2016 12:14 pm

    Ziggy does what he wants. Corporate Australia has no problem with campaigning for their preferred party. I wonder if the NBN Co donates to the libs.

    The Libs are a law unto themselves, laws and conventions don’t apply to them only others must strictly adhere to them.
    It’s how they operate – always grubby and always on the wrong side of the law but their people installed in high places (AFP etc) protect them from any consequences.

    https://delimiter.com.au/2016/06/15/union-slams-job-ads-seeking-irish-workers-nbn/

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2016 12:21 pm

    He is a petition to sign to protest against the union hacks and their ALP puppets from taking over an organisation of volunteers

    http://handsoffthecfa.com.au

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 12:23 pm

    Essential polling is out for this week.

    It has the two-party preferred vote at Labor 51 to Coalition 49, compared with 50-50 last week.

    The only thing in the primary vote numbers that has changed is Labor is up one from 36% to 37%, off the back of independents/others, down one. “Others” do not include Xenophon who remains on 4%.

    Sense of Humour Gauge

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2016 1:12 pm

    Yeah! Fred Nile and his sidekicks are much more rational than the Libs

    No wonder the Greens prefer Fred’s mates

  14. Walrus permalink
    June 15, 2016 1:28 pm

    “Sense of Humour Gauge ”

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehe………………..I doubt you’ll be laughing on the evening of 2 July.

    Private polling is saying the ALP will barely pick up any seats in Western Sydney.

    Perhaps is is due to the threats by Albanese to axe the Westconnex………….ROFLMAO

    Which would help alleviate transport delays in Western Sydney.

    Face facts………You aint gunna get the number of seats you hope.

    And I think Essential is pretty close to the ALP Machine and is relying on 2013 preference distributions.

    I’ll sit here and giggle at you

  15. Walrus permalink
    June 15, 2016 1:29 pm

    “Yeah! Fred Nile and his sidekicks are much more rational than the Libs”

    Yeah he’s a huge supporter of same sex marriage aint he…………….

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 1:31 pm

    I’ll sit here and giggle at you

    I’m sure you will … how many eggs do you have?

  17. Walrus permalink
    June 15, 2016 1:44 pm

    This is why every little threat coming out of the ALPs mouth about the Westconnex is a shitload of votes less for them.

    So let Albo bleat all he wants to keep his inner city darlings on side. In fact the more he bleats the better

  18. Walrus permalink
    June 15, 2016 4:10 pm

    Some nice(?) man with a lot of facial hair just knocked on our door.

    He was from the Greens apparently

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 5:22 pm

    Sounds more like the JWs, wally … they door knock all year for their candidate to run you life! 😀

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 5:24 pm

    Gawd … “your” … before ToM the Grammar Police turn up!

  21. June 15, 2016 5:39 pm

    Remember,,,,,your vote doesn`t really count,,,,,#outside bananaland

    the,,,,,ALP will barely pick up any seats in Western Sydney,,,,,

    # ,, Haven`t you heard, blib has a `four-term` strategy, cemented-in as opposition leader.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2016 6:04 pm

    Remember sign here to send a message to hacks and their puppet in government

    http://www.handsoffthecfa.com.au/

  23. June 15, 2016 6:05 pm

    How about dat `firemen` onion???? #feeding.da.panic (-:

  24. June 15, 2016 6:12 pm

    plod,,,,,Elder abuse is defined as any act within a relationship of trust that results in harm to an older person. This can include emotional abuse, financial abuse, physical abuse and neglect. Sexual abuse can also occur,,,,,

    http://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2016/06/13/qps-commits-tackling-elder-abuse/

    # ,, They know which teabags around here are engaging in it, and who it is `directed` at (-:

  25. June 15, 2016 6:36 pm

    I walked past a nice “elder abuse” stall in one of Melbourne’s period arcades at lunchtime today. It was festooned with purple fabric and elderly silver-topped ladies wearing matching purple and black fabric. It was all very proper and nicely organised.

    A sort of Toorak version of the CWA.

  26. June 15, 2016 6:43 pm

    delimiter,,,,,In what the CWU called `a clear pitch to Irish backpackers`, the ad goes on to say: `Bring the family and stay in one spot or travel across the country .. Terrific opportunity to see the great southern land.`

    While the post does not mention the NBN specifically, it seeks workers on Australia`s `largest telecommunications project`,,,,,

    # ,, Yep, reinforces what others have told me, (tradies-mines) which clive also mentioned, even if the `job-agent` advertises, Aussie applications are filed in the shredded, so that claims of `nobody-applied` and 457`s can be used. Which gets me back to that `education` point l keep asking TB, but he runs from. WTF is the point of kids getting `80K-hex-debt-quals` when they will never be allowed a ROI on those quals???? (and never be able to knock-down the hex-debt either)

  27. June 15, 2016 6:45 pm

    Aussie applications are filed in the ,,,,shreddeR,,,, #correction

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 7:22 pm

    Remember,,,,,your vote doesn`t really count,,,,,#outside bananaland

    Bit like the State of Orange … hey!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Which gets me back to that `education` point l keep asking TB, but he runs from. WTF is the point of kids getting `80K-hex-debt-quals` when they will never be allowed a ROI on those quals???? (and never be able to knock-down the hex-debt either)

    In English would help … “run from” !?

    Although I’m getting an impression that its my fault that Labor didn’t stop the boats from, egg and now its my fault that people with qualifications can’t get jobs? A

    As a qualifier, tbagz, I worked in the VET profession not a uni …

    If you think you have a better answer to gaining quals … what is it?

    If not vote Liberal … Jobs & Growth seems to be your answer …

    Oh … and quite smoking ya wanker!

  29. June 15, 2016 7:25 pm

    This explains why Malcom Turnbull didn’t bother to mention LGBTI people in his post-Orlando statement…

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/15/orlando-there-is-more-than-one-way-to-be-terrified

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2016 7:26 pm

    Donations are ‘other receipts’ now? Why is the Liberal party so frightened of telling us who donates to them and where the money comes from? Are they scared some mafia money can be traced?

    Bill Shorten attacks Liberal-Parakeelia ‘scam’; Malcolm Turnbull, Mathias Cormann dodge questions:
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/bill-shorten-attacks-liberalparakeelia-scam-malcolm-turnbull-mathias-cormann-dodge-questions-20160615-gpjdug.html

    …But at that time she was listed in staff directories as collecting a taxpayer-funded salary as a government adviser in Parliament House.

    Money coming into Liberal accounts is marked as “other receipts”, a category of income other than donations but which can include interest on investments. Political scientists note such payments have become increasingly important to political parties and little is known about them.

    Other companies that sent money to political parties under the heading “other receipts” in 2014-15, according to electoral commission filings, include Coles, Woodside Petroleum and many major banks.

    Receipts, including from the tax office, electoral commission and finance department are also marked “other receipts”…

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2016 8:20 pm

    Have you checked the AFP?

    Walking the line: DFAT boss on policy and separation of powers
    http://www.themandarin.com.au/66321-walking-the-line-dfat-boss-peter-varghese-reflects-on-the-separation-of-powers/

    …“Ministers should know and respect these boundaries, and most of the time they do both. Ministerial staffers can sometimes have a less developed understanding of the boundaries — usually there’s a direct correlation between the age of the staffer and depth of his or her understanding.”

    But it doesn’t do for a public servant to spend too much time worrying about the behaviour of political operators; that is for the public to judge, after all. Varghese places “ultimate responsibility” for keeping the bureaucracy apolitical at the feet of the bureaucrats and particularly leaders like himself.

    “I have little sympathy for public servants who say they’ve crossed the line because of pressure from a minister or a staffer,” he said.

    “Their duty as a public servant is to know where the line is and ensure they stay on the right side of it…

    …To aid other defenders of “the line”, he described some behaviour that should never be tolerated from ministerial staffers.

    “There is no room in our system for staffers to ask for a submission to be withdrawn or to insist on a particular recommendation in a departmental submission, or to ask to see a submission in draft,” Varghese said.

    “These should be no-go areas and all public servants should have the confidence of knowing that when they resist such approaches, they will be fully backed up by their departmental leaders.”…

    …“The public service, meanwhile, has lost depth when it comes to policy thinking,” said Varghese.

    “And so we have had the two systems, political and bureaucratic, talking past each other and each nursing a quiet disappointment with the other…

    …“However we got here, we must find a way out,” the DFAT boss urged.

    “We must rebuild, at both the public service and political level, a capacity for deep policy thinking because without it, we will not be able to chart our way through the many economic and other challenges we face as a nation.”

    More optimistically, he thinks public servants stand a better chance of “regaining policy depth” than political parties, because he feels the bureaucrats at least recognise the problem whereas most politicians are yet to…

  32. June 15, 2016 9:04 pm

    TB,,,,you have a better answer to gaining quals .. what is it?,,,,

    # ,, Yes, l do consider answering with a `question` RUNNING (see-above) particularly, when my original point was kids will need to be very fcuking careful selecting `80K-hex-debt-quals`, if at all, NOT,,,gaining quals,,, and ,,

    # ,, l even provided the `delimiter` working example, really, WTF will be the point of Aussie-kids getting `telco`-quals, when the govt-controlled install is going straight to ireland for workers, or canoe-building quals, when the govt is(was) hell-bent on outsouce/off-shoring the job/s.

    # ,, FYI my `point` was ALWAYS that `education` has been reduced (to what may be ultimately pointless for students) to merely a `profit-generation/ponzi-scheme`. Look at it harder teebz.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 9:10 pm

    TurnAbbott – reason to vote Liberal … Brexit? WTF!

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2016 9:22 pm

    Look at it harder teebz.

    Maybe you should look at it “harder” …

    … ’cause I don’t understand a word of that little rant … sounds like a personal issue to me …

    Unless someone can interpret … ?

    Try getting some training in written communication …

    I can assure you .. people with degrees still earn more in a lifetime than those without … and the modern catchcry … have a look at … STEM …

  35. June 15, 2016 9:45 pm

    HISTORICALLY,,,,people with degrees still earn more in a lifetime than those without,,,

    1-doesn`t necessarily translate to the FUTURE

    2.OMITS percentage of `degree-holders` EARNING `degree-paying-jobs` AND percentage-NOT-having `degree-paying-jobs`

    and,,,,the modern catchcry STEM,,,,#yeah-catch-cry

    1.maintains a pretense that china and india don`t do `stem`

    2.maintains a pretense 457`s won`t be offered `stem`jobs first, just like delimiter above

  36. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 9:23 am

    Union funds ALP election campaign. Andrews is elected. Andrews changes the law at the behest of and to the advantage of unions. It doesn’t get any more nakedly corrupt than that.

    This miserable mongrel attack on volunteer fire-fighters is about as low as it gets. (And for the really dumb cunts whose first reaction is “Look over there” – just don’t. That is a really stupid response and merely an attempt to justify Unionland corruption.)

  37. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 9:39 am

    “This miserable mongrel attack on volunteer fire-fighters is about as low as it gets.”

    It demonstrates to me just how Left inclined Victoria actually is. Which is not surprising given its historic heavy reliance on manufacturing.

    I doubt the same type of thing could happen in NSW to a volunteer organisation. People here would be marching on Macquarie Street egged on by talkback radio hosts.

    In Victoria there just doesn’t seem to be much of an “uprising”

    Some might draw a comparison to the amalgamation of Local Councils here but most people dont really care that much and are happy to see a few councillors kiked out the door of their palaces with the exception of a few in rural areas.

  38. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 9:43 am

    “Look at it harder teebz.”

    ROFLMAO

    I just scroll past those posts these days.

    Just couldn’t be bothered lumbering the heavy friggin’ Enigma machine over to my desk every hour or so.

    Life’s too short to be decoding babble all day

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 9:53 am

    teabagz … your making claims (guesses) … where’s your links …

    I’m still trying to figure out what your trying to say, BTW … “don’t study get a job”?

    Or “there is no jobs why study”?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Advertisment:

    The Liberal Party Laundromat is located at a – PO Box 6004 KINGSTON ACT 2604 – please send all donations over $500,000 to this address …

    Time that all politicians were paid by salary, including expenses and superannuation matching any other Australian workers’ entitlements …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Four Australian Catholic organisations have announced they are completely divesting from coal, oil and gas in what they say is the first joint Catholic divestment anywhere in the world.

    The move comes as prominent Jewish rabbis, Muslim clerics, Anglican bishops and other religious leaders call on the Australian government to protect the Great Barrier Reef, stop approving coalmines and remove subsidies to the fossil fuel industry, in an open letter published by the Guardian.

    Chuckle … decisions for the “faithful” …

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/16/catholic-orders-take-their-lead-from-the-pope-and-divest-from-fossil-fuels

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 16, 2016 9:56 am

    Yep. It is an outrageous attack on volunteers and demonstrates exactly how an ALP government will put the interests of their masters in front of the’interests of everyone else.

    I always had plenty of time for Keating but it was the unions and organised interest groups that f**ked his attempts at reform during his last term.

    Unions are poison in the ALP, and this attack on volunteers is the latest example

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 16, 2016 9:59 am

    couldn’t be bothered lumbering the heavy friggin’ Enigma machine over to my desk

    Very funny and entirely accurate.

  42. June 16, 2016 10:23 am

    got,,,,,,young people studying harder, managing more debt, and working harder, with much higher skills required at entry level in a really casualised, unstable world of work with little return on their investment in sight,,,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/young-people-today-are-overqualified-underemployed-and-swimming-in-debt-report-20160615-gpjc7l.html

    # ,, not to mention then having `their` job offered to 457`s off-shore

  43. June 16, 2016 10:32 am

    or,,,,,53.6 percent, of bachelor`s degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed, the highest share in at least 11 years. In 2000, the share was at a low of 41 percent, before the dot-com bust erased job gains for college graduates in the telecommunications and IT fields,,,,,

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/53-of-recent-college-grads-are-jobless-or-underemployed-how/256237/

    # ,, yes, it`s teh-usa, and yes it` a bit old, but it is where we are heading

    So,,,,,,is a college education simply less valuable than in the past? In some respects, yes. According to the Census, the number of Americans under the age of 25 with at least a bachelor’s degree has grown 38 percent since 2000. Not nearly enough jobs have been created to accommodate them,,,,,

    recent,,,,,graduates are now more likely to work as `waiters, waitresses, bartenders and food-service helpers than as engineers, physicists, chemists and mathematicians,,,,,,,

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 10:45 am

    Unions are poison in the ALP, and this attack on volunteers is the latest example

    Big business and lobbyists are poison to a democracy and good society, especially big business with concealed donors & donations and concealed funding disguised as ‘think tanks’ or ‘research institutions’ that don’t conduct research only produce political opinion] think IPA and bernardi.

    New research: Abbott and Turnbull the worst economic managers since Menzies
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/jun/14/new-research-abbott-and-turnbull-the-worst-economic-managers-since-menzies

    …The findings by economist Jim Stanford showed that on all but two measures, the performance under the Abbott/Turnbull government has been worse than that under the Gillard government.

    Only on the measure of growth of government debt as a share of GDP is the Abbott/Turnbull government “better”. But even if you agree with the proposition that lower government debt is a good thing, the Abbott/Turnbull growth of 2.16% of GDP is only marginally better than the 2.26% of GDP growth observed under the Gillard government…

    But real wages growth since the Fraser government has been much weaker than it was previously and the current Abbott/Turnbull government has seen the worst performance ever. The government can also claim the post-WWII record of lowest growth in personal income.

    The records don’t stop there however. The current government has also seen the largest expansion of private household debt, beating that observed under the Howard government.

    Record low wages and income growth coupled with record increase in household debt. Not really something you’d want to boast about…

    Negative gearing fires up crowd at Guardian Live election event in Sydney
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/16/ustralian-election-2016-turnbull-shorten-coalition-greens-labor-briefing?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …A rare real estate agent opposed to the scheme speaks up as panellists including Tanya Plibersek and Trent Zimmerman debate fairness

    Rarer than a campaign without slogans, or a streetwalk without selfies, is a real estate agent opposed to negative gearing. But such a specimen was spotted on Wednesday evening at Guardian Live’s special election event in Sydney.

    “If most people realised the benefits people are getting from negative gearing, it would stop tomorrow,” the agent, John Knott, told the panel, who included Labor’s deputy leader, Tanya Plibersek, and the newly elected Liberal Trent Zimmerman.

    Fairness was the theme and, six weeks into this marathon 2016 campaign, it was negative gearing that most animated the crowd…

    Yet neither of the big parties will agree to a federal ICAC?

  45. June 16, 2016 10:48 am

    It,,,,,,,,,,,is nearly impossible to find a job that you can apply for directly,” says one 28-year-old job hunter who spoke to Newsweek via Twitter.

    The process, many millennials say, is very discouraging. “You’re like, ‘I’ll do anything and apply for everything, but usually it’s an electronic filing and you’re spending all your time on it and never hear back,” says the Washington, D.C., graduate. She estimates that, on average, friends who graduated along with her applied for 60 jobs before landing one.

    “So far, I have applied for around 30 jobs, if not more, and have heard back on two of them,” she says. “I didn’t get either job because I don’t have enough experience. These are entry-level jobs, but experienced people are taking them,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/06/05/millennial-college-graduates-young-educated-jobless-335821.html

    # ,, you may have noticed l`ve pointed this out too #ponzi.jobs #junk.jobs

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 10:53 am

    And of all people guess was defending Parakeelia … arfur sinodinos … he’d be the expert, hey? Wink, wink, say namore!

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 10:54 am

    # ,, you may have noticed l`ve pointed this out too #ponzi.jobs #junk.jobs

    You agree with the concept of Universal Income then?

  48. June 16, 2016 11:02 am

    Hey teabags, did everybody see the `likely-hood` of seat wins`n losses on telly last night, it was quite interesting, bananaland isn`t going to be the `main-game` as previously spouted. lt now seems to be canoeland with the most seats changing, one of them being the poodles, so let`s hope that is the case. The two-big teams both look like losing seats to greenz and xeno. Windsor looks like neutering bananasby in new-england too. The team-cheerer is out of luck tho, blib will fall-shorten by ten-seats for an outright `team`-govt.

  49. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 11:23 am

    “And of all people guess was defending Parakeelia … arfur sinodinos …”

    I’d have thought Bill Shithead and his extraction of $ from a Builder to pay for an ALP staffer in exchange for a never completed Saftety Course/Report would have been more blatant abuse/concealment.

    Oh……….thats right he did suddenly remember to declare it ………Eventually………..approximately 15 minutes before he took the stand at the RC

  50. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 11:31 am

    Was anything illegal about the Parakeelia arrangement ?

    Does the ALP do something similar ???????????????????

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 11:31 am

    Eventually………..approximately 15 minutes before he took the stand at the RC

    The Libs would have theirs hidden so thoroughly in third party entities that no-one knows about and they’ve been benefiting from them for decades. It could have been mafia money and illegal donors, the links have been exposed already. Concealed donations and donors through special funding entities should be made transparent so the public knows just who is backing them like they do with labor, we know they get the union money.

  52. June 16, 2016 11:35 am

    agree,,,,,with the concept of Universal Income,,,,,

    l`m a `realist` teebz. l agree with the concept of personal personal Liberty`s, gay-marriage, voluntary-euthanasia, etc ,, but look at the cross-pollinating imbecile-herds we have in canberra that are too fcuking stupid to even pick these low-hanging fruits (hello-jooLiar)

    # ,, yeah sure, on first-look, l can agree with `UI`, but the reality is the canberra imbeciles hell-bent on fcuking us over and getting 457-slaves in, or off-shoring our jobs to china completely, then demand folks try-to-survive on poverty-level dole (or-disabled-elderly-pension) are `ever` going to change tack to `UI`, it just won`t happen.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 12:04 pm

    Universal Income (UI) or something similar will arrive sometime in the future … gradually … as our scientists, tech heads, engineers and mathematicians make more and more breakthroughs …

    Gene Roddenberry was way ahead of everyone else … no-one was “paid” in his 23rd Century but worked at what they wanted to do … and oddly enough, rivalry and ambition still reared its ugly head … often portrayed with episodes at the Academy …

    Imagine a world where people had sufficient resources to enjoy life and put all their energies into whatever they shone at! Or wanted to achieve …

    (Its well known now that money is not a motivator – simply a maintainer …)

  54. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 12:29 pm

    “Imagine a world where people had sufficient resources to enjoy life and put all their energies into whatever they shone at! Or wanted to achieve … ”

    I dont need to imagine it.

    If you get off your arse rather than whingeing its already here

  55. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 12:31 pm

    “………… special funding entities should be made transparent so the public knows just who is backing them like they do with labor, we know they get the union money.”

    Clearly you have no problem with Unions being subject to the same disclosure requirement as Companies then…………..

  56. June 16, 2016 1:13 pm

    I’m not sure if ” the dole for everyone ” is my idea of utopia…

  57. June 16, 2016 1:13 pm

    world,,,,,where people had sufficient resources,,,,#to-just-survive-even

    # ,, won`t happen teebz, `the-world` has produced enough food and medicine to feed and medicate the population of the `whole-planet` post ww2. lt has been a `choice` based on profiteering largely, to not feed and medicate the whole population.

    # ,, EG. lt has been a `choice` in teh-usa (and-ussr) to not feed/medicate/shelter impoverished citizens, if favor of `space and `military` taxpayer-funded corporate/oligarch enrichment programs.

    # ,, Rest assured, both teams here will be getting laundered donations from the private nauru gulag operators and job-active`providers` now entrenched in the dole/welfare system.

    # ,, l also don`t see fakebook and atlassian stepping away from their billions anytime soon either. #roddenberries.are.an.acquired.taste (-:

  58. June 16, 2016 1:29 pm

    Once again it`s nearly election time in canberra and both teams have offered-up their bucket of mud for voters to choose from. Once again the voters are stuck trying to figure-out whether the blue-bucket or red-bucket is more diluted with pig-shit. Once again teabag-media is pretty-much useless and claim neither bucket contains pig-shit. Once again voters know better.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 1:49 pm

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 1:51 pm

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 2:29 pm

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 3:08 pm

    “I’m not sure if ” the dole for everyone ” is my idea of utopia…”

    Spot on, reb.

    UI is a profoundly stupid idea. I can see it will be taken up with alacrity in certain circles. Increasing dependency on the state is crazy. It will make life less meaningful for many who won’t be able to find work.

  63. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 3:39 pm

    “Increasing dependency on the state is crazy.”

    It ignores the Law of Supply and Demand. Those who want to work harder to get more fresh meat, fresh vegetables, better beeer, better wine, better cars etc etc more electricity, more overseas travel will just push prices up making the whole idea for those on fixed incomes completely redundant.

    We already have it…….its called the dole and the tax free threshold.

    Whether they are high enough is a separate argument.

    “UI is a profoundly stupid idea”

    No its not. UI is a profoundly FUCKING stupid idea

  64. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 3:40 pm

    Has anyone noticed that if you completely ignore “Beam`Me`Up`Teabag’s” comments they slowly become more lucid ?

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 4:13 pm

    It will make life less meaningful for many who won’t be able to find work.

    Or more meaningful work … might be a problem for ROBBER BARONS obsessed with gathering nuts in May …

    But think of all the things people could do because they want to …

    I’m “retired” but I can assure you I don’t sit on my arse tapping keyboards all day … and my kids will tell you we’ve saved ’em a fortune in childcare, fuel and food over the last decade …

    UI doesn’t mean you have to stop working … “trials” have shown people more willing to look for work and to continue working after the retirement “date” … UI can be supplemented by additional work if you want to … dismissing new concepts out of hand would have seen the Industrial Revolution stopped in its tracks! As it turned out the Industrial Revolution I grew up in left some awful scars on people, lifestyle and the country … while once again the Robber Baron landlords and mill owners (often one and the same) made a motza … and rubbed shoulders with the real Robber Barons …

    The phrase “dark Satanic Mills”, which entered the English language from this poem, is often interpreted as referring to the early Industrial Revolution and its destruction of nature and human relationships.[8]

  66. June 16, 2016 4:30 pm

    @blubbers, Nah. lt`s just that l`ve said something `you` happen to `agree` with

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 4:47 pm

    “…which entered the English language from this poem, is often interpreted as referring to the early Industrial Revolution and its destruction of nature and human relationships…”

    And it’s still happening. Loss of penalty rates, kids in care because both parents trying to buy a house. No close family supports to call upon for some. Wages decreasing while business profits up. IR is all about getting more out of workers for less. All the pressure on people now causes physical and mental illnesses.

  68. June 16, 2016 4:49 pm

    (UI),,,,,or something similar will arrive sometime in the future,,,,,

    # ,, not under the current system teebz, maybe after a nukie-war, a penicillin-proof super-bug outbreak, a global-cooling event, or some other major global disaster that belts the primates for six, then, maybe

    # ,, just `not` before a future (or slowly creeping up on us) disaster

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 4:57 pm

    “Or more meaningful work …might be a problem for ROBBER BARONS”

    Of course! Everything is the fault of those F#@##@ ROBBER BARONS. They’re always stalking TB, controlling his every thought. Even his tin foil hat doesn’t stop them.

    ROBBER BARONS!
    ROBBER BARONS!
    ROBBER BARONS!

    Remember the war? You know what????? The Red Baron was a Robber Baron! Coincidence or what????? Look, look, look. He’s coming to take me away!!! The Red Robber Baron in his Yellow Submarine. He’s coming. He’s coming! La-La-La-La-La .. We’re all bound for La-La Land!

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 5:21 pm

    There are some leaked Democrat documents here.

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 5:45 pm

    I think I’ve derailed a Robber Baron, wally … oh the shame … 🙂

    Denying the truth will get ’em every time! And guilt of course …

    So, sad … well not really … one down … 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% to go … ~(;-D)

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 5:47 pm

    Oh sorry … I thought that was wally! Sorry, wal … I should have known after reading all your level headed comments …

    sb’s a pretty good gotcha though! hey? ~(;-)

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 5:58 pm

    If you want to see something really funny look at these silly old leftists take on the kids. Gives you hope for the younger generation!

  74. June 16, 2016 7:15 pm

    “”UI is a profoundly FUCKING stupid idea””

    Agreed.

  75. June 16, 2016 7:16 pm

    l just saw plib on sbs-news at her daily blather to the public, her facial and body language looked unconvincing, perhaps you might say `whipped`. l wonder if the predictions last night of the `team` falling-short by 10-seats is the reason, and starting to show.

  76. June 16, 2016 10:07 pm

    Punters think the election result is a foregone conclusion.

    (I wouldn’t take such a short price, however. Odds-on, look on.)

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 11:05 pm

  78. For Whales permalink
    June 17, 2016 2:01 am

    ((Its well known now that money is not a motivator – simply a maintainer …)

    Douglas McGregor’s XY Theory
    Frederick Herzberg’s motivation and hygiene factors
    Nudge Theory

    —————————

    # ,, just `not` before a future (or slowly creeping up on us) disaster

    ….shhh….)

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2016 9:14 am

    It is the well known facts that are the most dubious.

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:08 am

    AN Islamic preacher who once called on God to “destroy the enemies of Islam” and “prepare us for jihad” dined with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull at Kirribilli House on Thursday night.

    Sheik Shady Al-Suleiman, the national president of the Australian National Imams Council, was among a group of religious leaders and prominent Islamic Australians hosted by Mr Turnbull at an Iftar dinner to mark the holy month of Ramadan at Kirribilli House.

    The Australian-born Sheik Shady has previously said he believes AIDS is a “divine punishment” for gays and wants adulterers stoned to death.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/malcolm-turnbull-holds-first-iftar-dinner-for-ramadan-as-a-prime-minister-but-is-teased-on-nbn/news-story/9c2a32084efec897e4da6406dd870661

    I hope someone will question this tonight at the facebook faceoff … muslims total 2.2% of the population fact!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It is the well known facts that are the most dubious.

    See above … ignorance is bliss … and practice makes perfect …

    A little known fact, is that a “pay-rise” usually lasts about six weeks in “emotional” and “productive” terms but positive reinforcement (that’s actually free!) will provide constant improvements and productivity increases …

    The Hawthorne Experiment is an interesting read … works in practice … and costs … $O

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:01 am

    TB, as to your question of a couple of days back “What would you do?” I would ensure that the government has no dealings with Muslim Brotherhood types and their ilk. It is actually not hard to work this stuff out. The fact is that the “leadership” of the Muslim community is riddled with ratbags who have radical views. By employing the “radical Islam” terminology and using it to distinguish the ratbags we could at least have an honest discussion. The government would also not be lending its prestige to the mongrel element of the Muslim community.

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:09 am

    Surprisingly, I agree with you, sb, the Muslim Brotherhood is an extremely dangerous organisation … I railed against them gaining power in Egypt (before the “election coup”) … and recall a comment I made to someone then, “be careful what you wish for”!

    Maybe MALfunction is desperate for votes ?

    Surely imams inciting violence should be either jailed or deported?

    Just as catlik pedophile priests should have been decades ago …

    Both religions protected by followers of the “faith” at all costs …

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:51 pm

    DOUBLE GAFFE!

    He Who Would Be Emperor – has no clothes … nor cognitive recognition skills – it would seem?

    PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull has admitted he did not know about hateful comments made by a controversial Islamic preacher until he was dining with him.

    Mr Turnbull had dinner with Sheik Shady Al-Suleiman, the national president of the Australian National Imams Council, at Kirribilli House on Thursday night.

    The sheik was among a group of religious leaders and prominent Islamic Australians to attend the Iftaf dinner to mark the holy month of Ramadan and promote cross-cultural relations.

    The Australian-born Sheik Shady has previously said AIDS “is a divine punishment” for homosexuals and adulterers should be stoned to death.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/prime-minister-responds-to-sheik-shady-alsuleimans-controversial-invitation-to-kirribilli-house-dinner/news-story/60fc2a50e41506afd5c0f7bad8d38c76

  84. June 17, 2016 12:52 pm

    No sign of the team-cheerer in the last couple of days. Not taking election predictions well l take it. Ten-seats shorten of a `team`-govt. Hope somebody can drag him from his fetal-position under his bed soon. (-: (-: (-: (-:

  85. June 17, 2016 1:04 pm

    to,,,,,,distinguish the ratbags we could at least have an honest discussion. The government would also not be lending its prestige to the mongrel element of the,,,,,

    # ,, monkey-pod

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2016 3:30 pm

    It seems that Islamic state has tens of millions of supporters throughout the Islamic world.

  87. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2016 3:46 pm

    An interesting comment:

    Calling Islam a religion of peace is dangerous and reductive. Like the other two monotheisms that precede it, it has blood on its hands. It’s time we Muslims start looking inward at our own communities so that the bloodshed can stop. I’m convinced that Mateen’s attitude is not fringe. It can be found everywhere from Mecca to my own mosque in New York City.

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2016 4:19 pm

    Great job by the ALP!

    Danny does a grubby deal with a militant union who wants to control an organisation of volunteers, then-
    • Sacks the (female) minister who was responsible for emergency services, who didn’t support the deal
    • Sacks the board who didn’t support the deal (despite there being an injunction against any CFA board signing the deal)
    • Gets the resignation of the (female) CEO of the CFA

    Danny says the new board will promote a new culture and diversity! So far he has forced out a female minister and a female CEO

    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MILITANT UNIONS USE THEIR MUSCLE TO RUN THEIR PUPPET GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE PUBLIC INTEREST

    The final opponents to Premier Daniel Andrews’ controversial deal with firefighters have been sacked or quit as the bitter dispute continues to hound his government.
    CFA chief executive Lucinda Nolan quit on Friday afternoon, less than two hours after the defiant board was formally sacked.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cfa-crisis-chief-executive-lucinda-nolan-resigns-20160617-gplp2g.html#ixzz4BoZCzFJW

  89. June 17, 2016 4:47 pm

    Loading a fiber network with copper,

    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MILITANT teabagS USE THEIR MUSCLE TO RUN THEIR PUPPET GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE PUBLIC INTEREST

    # ,, Lessons Learned from the Prime-Meddler(s) no doubt

  90. June 17, 2016 5:03 pm

    Calling catlicks a religion of peace is dangerous and reductive. Like the other two monotheisms that precede it, it has blood on its hands. It’s time we catlicks start looking inward at our own communities so that the childrape can stop. I`m convinced that Pell`s attitude is not fringe. It can be found everywhere from teh-Vatican to my own church in south yarra.

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:05 pm

    You are very big on the fallacy of false equivalence today, Retardland.

  92. June 17, 2016 5:09 pm

    Geez, Bill almost utters a forbidden word.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:30 pm

    THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MILITANT UNIONS USE THEIR MUSCLE TO RUN THEIR PUPPET GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE PUBLIC INTEREST

    I get so high when ToM does a unions BOO! act … so inspiring hilarious!

    As another opinionhater here might say ROFLMAO …

    Thanks goodness, allah and christ that we have so much humour to break the monotony of an election that looks like giving the senate even more independents …

    Well done Emperor MALfunction! (and tom)

    😀

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:32 pm

    Geez, Bill almost utters a forbidden word. Keep trying ToSY … whatever point you’re trying to make … arts not being supported by the Liberal Party or somfink?

  95. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:34 pm

    “…….It can be found everywhere from teh-Vatican to my own church in south yarra.”

    WTF …………”south yarra” ?

    I think ToSY just ordered some new steel gates

  96. June 17, 2016 6:21 pm

    and which `equivalence` would that be squirter????

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