Exclusive: The truth you don’t want to hear but I’ll tell it to you anyway.
I’ve been ruminating lately with the idea that the world is in a state of complete and utter chaos and it’s only going to get worse.
For those of us who don’t go home from a hard day’s work and then stay glued to episodes of “The Farmer wants a shag,” “The Bachelorette” or the latest reality cooking show, the writing’s fairly clearly on the wall.
For the first time in modern history, today’s emerging generation of twenty somethings will be worse off than generations that have gone before. In Australia, home ownership is a thing of the past with today’s young workers relegated to the very real prospect of renting forever, unless they have access to a hand up from their parents.
Jobs growth is also lacklustre. University graduates find there just isn’t the jobs out there that they’ve studied for and find themselves stocking supermarket shelves or working in IGA for $2 an hour.
Europe is a basket case. With record youth unemployment sitting at 50% in some areas and showing no signs of improving and the entire region a living teeming tinderbox of social unrest, resentment towards immigrants and a resurgence in far right political movements.
China is also languishing with development slowing as the govt realises it can’t afford to build ghost cities that no one wants or can afford to live in. And while the US has seen some recovery since the GFC it’s hard to see any significant improvement.
Back home interest rates are at record lows (hardly a sign of a strong economy), and now the spectre of deflation suggests that people are simply prepared to hold off on the next big purchase with the prevailing sentiment being that prices will fall further.
The housing sector is cooling with those individuals who mortgaged themselves to the hilt in a low interest rate environment now perfectly positioned to suffer financial ruin when interest rates inevitably rise again.
When this transpires we will see (once again) scores of people with negative equity in their homes forced to service mortgages they can’t afford for a property that’s diminishing in value. And the entire Ponzi scheme has been promoted, aided and abetted by the banks, govts, real estate agents and property developers who all profit from keeping real estate values high.
When it does transpire, and it’s only a matter of time, the shit is really going to hit the fan.
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Jobs,,,,,growth is also lacklustre. University graduates find there just isn`t the jobs out there that they`ve studied for and find themselves stocking supermarket shelves,,,,,,
# ,, Ya`got a link to that reb, making claims like that without a link could be considered `elder-abuse` (-:
build,,,,,ghost cities that no one wants or can afford to live in,,,,,
# ,, we don`t have to look at china to see this problem reb, in the last few months l saw the same thing said about boltsville, lots of empty office tower space and lots of empty tower apartments, (and my guess, jonestown probably won`t be far behind) l forget which doco/news it was on, I`ll drop the link if l can remember.
either france24 or al-jazeerah earlier today,
The first of the `orlando` victims will be buried today, the westboro-teabags are going to turn-up
Nah. lt`s just that l`ve said something `you` happen to `agree` with
“University graduates find there just isn’t the jobs out there that they’ve studied for…..”
Maybe they were just never there in the first place.
Perhaps the entry score for Arts Degrees should be so high almost no one qualifies. And if they really want to do it charge them a fucking fortune. That should get there attention as to whether they are likely to find a job.
Since we need Engineers, Doctors, Nurses, perhaps charge a lot less but keep the entry scores quite high for QA purposes.
For IT the same.
No more accountants please. The more there are the less the existing ones can charge.
Jobs growth is also lacklustre.
Don’t worry! Milkum’s on the job(s and growth) …
And before ToM, Grammar Polizei arrive … I think you meant …
… teeming …
(“”””the entire region a living teaming tinderbox of social unrest”””””)
And in conclusion the ASX got walloped yesterday … so did all the retirees’ super! (Coupled with extremely low interest rates) no one seems to be safe!
Oh! Wait some are the Vacuum People … 50% of the wealth … One Percenters!
Nothing changes, nothing is new!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Once again, sreb, spot on analysis … bleak but true …
“When it does transpire, and it’s only a matter of time, the shit is really going to hit the fan.”
Pretty doom and gloom there, reb. The government has too large an incentive to let too much shit hit the fan.
“Europe is a basket case. With record youth unemployment sitting at 50% in some areas..”
Just think of it as a UI experiment. All they need to do is to up the dole a bit.
In fact it is the more socialist/protectionist countries who have the highest youth unemployment. But don’t worry Australian politicians on both sides are trying to catch up as quickly as possible.
“Oh! Wait some are the Vacuum People … 50% of the wealth … One Percenters!”
Ah yes – I see. Let’s take all their money and redistribute it. That will solve all our problems!
“I think you meant …
… teeming …
Thank queues, fixed…!
Thank queues, fixed…!
Ya big dick! Oh! What did I say! 😉
Let’s take all their money and redistribute it.
Great idea! That’s how ECONOMIES work … 101 … sorry 01 …
Rip to $$$ out and no-one can spend anything … except the 1% Centers … on Ferraris!
That helps the butcher the baker the condom maker, hey/
Rip to many $$$
“Milkum’s on the job(s and growth) …
yes, touting the typical tory mantra, as if somehow “jobs and growth” is the answer to everything.
Meanwhile the it seems like the entire system of capitalism is being brought to its knees.
This endless pursuit of jobs and growth is seen as the panacea to the world’s woes when in fact it’s exactly destroying the very planet.
At some point we’re going to reach “peak jobs and growth” and when growth is stagnating despite record low interest rates (around the globe), a rapidly expanding gap between the rich and poor, mass unemployment, civil unrest and faith in the political system to fix these issues diminishing you have to wonder whether that point has arrived.
“Rip
totoo many $$$”“Meanwhile the it seems like the entire system of capitalism is being brought to its knees.”
That is certainly the goal of some. It won’t end well. No one has developed a better system.
“”That is certainly the goal of some.””
What an odd thing to say.
I don’t think there are people “out to get capitalism” I think the system itself is fundamentally flawed in that perpetual growth is unsustainable.
“”The government has too large an incentive to let too much shit hit the fan.””
What, do you think the govt is going to bail out mum and dad investors who believed Joe Hockey’s diatribe when he said that there’s “never been a better time to borrow to invest” (in the low interest rate environment) when the shit hits the fan?
“”Maybe they were just never there in the first place.””
Agreed!
Yet the “Liberal” so-called pathway to success is to study hard and then get a high paying job.
Unfortunately, though, there are not enough jobs to go around for the number of qualified job seekers leaving university.
So there’s a pool of talented ppl now competing for jobs at Woolies with people who have no tertiary qualifications whatsoever. What hope do they have?
I don’t think there are people “out to get capitalism” I think the system itself is fundamentally flawed in that perpetual growth is unsustainable.
True enough reb, there are always those who will defend the rotting carcass of a system until their dying breath. They can’t even admit any failings, the belief is so strong that they can’t or won’t see that their magic pudding just doesn’t exist. Like finding out there is no santa clause.
Unfortunately, though, there are not enough jobs to go around for the number of qualified job seekers leaving university.
That’s when reality bites and they reach for drugs and alcohol to dull the senses.
When it does transpire, and it’s only a matter of time, the shit is really going to hit the fan
And it will, again. I just hope when it does we create a whole new system, that people refuse to fund the greed and avarice of the corporate cowboys and shysters. Surely it would be time to kill off the whole zombie system.
What, do you think the govt is going to bail out mum and dad investors who believed Joe Hockey’s diatribe when he said that there’s “never been a better time to borrow to invest” (in the low interest rate environment) when the shit hits the fan?
Of course not, we only bail out the big ‘players’ the ones that have grown obese on the money of others and are ‘too big to fail’.
Glenn Stevens and his housing bubble legacy
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-13/verrender-glenn-stevens-and-his-housing-bubble-legacy/7504150
…Saving to buy into the great Australian dream is now the exception rather than the rule. Sadly, it most likely will be this housing bubble, rather than his handling of the GFC, that will define Glenn Stevens’ legacy at the Reserve Bank…
…But his strategy since 2012 of deliberately firing up an already dangerously inflated east coast housing bubble to soften the blow from the unwinding of the mining boom, has placed the banking system and the economy in harm’s way.
In the process, the future wealth of generations of young Australians now will be determined by whether they inherit real estate from their parents. Saving to buy into the great Australian dream will be the exception rather than the rule.
Until last year, Stevens refused point blank to curtail housing lending, arguing macro-prudential policies were ineffective. While his position has now changed, many argue it was too little, too late.
Unfortunately, it most likely will be the housing bubble, rather than the financial crisis, that will define Glenn Stevens’ legacy…
Who was the hopeless ALP tosses on RN this morning? Criticising Turnbull for ‘demonizing’ paid firemen?
What a compete F**KWIT
No amount of that pap/crap will change the fact that this is how affiliated unions achieve their goals with their puppet governments
,,,,,,Once again, sreb, spot on analysis .. bleak but true,,,,,, #chuckle (-:
my-abc qanda-promo,,,,,,,,,,,,there`s never been a more exciting time for malcolm talkbull on qanda,,,,,,,,,,,,,,#ROFL
reb,,,,,competing for jobs at Woolies with people,,,,,,
# ,, competing for jobs at Coles/Woolies with `check-out` machinery
reb,,,,,Yet the `Liberal` so-called pathway to success,,,,,
# ,, didn`t eleventy say daddy should buy`em their house
Is a house a home, or an investment/asset?
Is Australia now just an investment machine … lifeless and decaying …
Education rooted
Health Care buggered
Sport fkd up
Business raped
Families destroyed
Cause … Unkontrolled Uber Kapitalism
The original design for Capitalism works … but the model has been over-modified so much that no-one can steer it anymore … and it is so overpowered that no-one can control it anymore … it will crash! Again! Soon!
What happened to THE PANAMA PAPERS?
“Maybe they were just never there in the first place”
Makes me wonder how training creates jobs, exactly?
It is far better to create the kind of economic conditions that stimulate the economy and where additional jobs are the by-product. Training would be taken care of by supply and demand.
Uber Kapitalism = Driving your private car as a taxi.
Now this is pretty funny
“The Australian Greens call on the Government to provide urgent mental health support to the Whyalla Community as part of any plan to assist in securing the future of the steel industry………….”My thoughts are with the 1100 steelworkers in Whyalla and 7000 across the country during this time of job insecurity. The Government needs to fight for this steelworks to continue operating to ensure Whyalla thrives into the future.”
http://greens.org.au/news/sa/government-must-fight-whyalla%E2%80%99s-future-greens
I suppose an electric furnace driven by renewables is what they are thinking …………..ROFLMAO.
Just one problem with that…………………..hehehehehehehehehehe !
“Uber Kapitalism = Driving your private car as a taxi.”
We’ve taken on Uber big time actually. Being up on the peninsula taxis barely come near the joint. Uber seems, in our experience to be largely driven (literally) by Uni students often driving one of the family’s cars.
Good for them.
Pity Duncan never considered that sort of thing………………..Oh that’s right he decided to become a crim instead.
Training,,,,,would be taken care of by supply and demand,,,,,
# ,, that`s the old model tinfoil`osy. Business now lobbies incessantly for govt to train in all manner their employees (and-future-employees)
# ,, Govt`s of both flavors at federal and state/s levels have been sucked into this nonsense, which will largely fail, as business need to invest in it`s `own` positions/jobs and `value` them.
“Pity Duncan never considered that sort of thing”
To be fair to poor old sainted Dunc, it’s highly unlikely his car would meet Uber’s standards.
(Uber is the only way to go. Unless the taxi industry changes its business model, they’ll go the way of photographic film.)
“………it’s highly unlikely his car would meet Uber’s standards.”
He should have kept a little bit more of the $60,000 that TomR and his cohorts at GetUp donated.
Obviously GetUp does not mean Get Off Your Arse
Just one problem with that…………………..hehehehehehehehehehe !
Got this from Bolt
http://www.minerals.org.au/news/earth_to_greens_no_coal_means_no_steel
Some instances of hypocrisy are so truly audacious in scale, so blissfully ignorant of irony, so completely lacking in self-awareness that they simply take the breath away.
A textbook example is the Greens’ support for the Arrium steelworks in Whyalla. To see the Greens supporting heavy industry (rather than deriding it as a big polluter) is a welcome development.
The problem is that the Greens want to phase out the use of coal. And coal is a primary feedstock for the steelworks in Whyalla (as well as Bluescope’s Port Kembla plant).
You cannot make steel in a blast furnace without coal. Australian steelworks use millions of tonnes of coal annually, all sourced from local collieries.
Incidentally, you cannot make wind turbines without coal. In fact about 220 tonnes of coal (both metallurgical and thermal coal) are required to produce a wind turbine.
The Greens need to explain how it is possible to shut down Australian coal mining and still make Australian steel. The only option would be to import coal from other producing nations.
“………it’s highly unlikely his car would meet Uber’s standards.”
You mean it was more of a “getaway car standard” ?
Even Bolt actually misses the critical point
taxi,,,,,industry changes its business model,,,,,
# ,, the first being state/s coughing-up and refunding hefty taxi-license-fees already paid ,, l wonder what the state/s will then turn to for `catch-up`revenue without taxi-license revenue????
Oh great…just what Sydney needs on a Friday.
Some idiot having his own “Bridge Climb” experience.
Obviously didn’t want to pay the $290 odd to do it the proper way
Oooops………the link
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/harbour-bridge-lanes-closed-in-police-operation/news-story/48adad3c2d7c415b946ff9861e1406bc
“l wonder what the state/s will then turn to for `catch-up`revenue without taxi-license revenue????”
That’s bugger all in the scheme of things because the taxi industry fights like crazy against new plates being issued.
Even Bolt actually misses the critical point
What is that?
My knowledge of making steel is zero. But apparently to make steel you need coal. So by shutting down our second biggest export (coal) it will also destroy our biggest export (iron ore)
My,,,,,knowledge of making steel is zero,,,,,
# ,, only of `making-steel` huh (-:
Training,,,,,would be taken care of by supply and demand,,,,,
# ,, that`s the old model tinfoil`osy. Business now lobbies incessantly for govt to train in all manner their employees (and-future-employees)
tru dat, that’s the old apprenticeship model … one I still endorse BTW … but industry and trades abrogated their responsibility to train for said industry and trades (a couple of exceptions) to Apprentice Training Organisations … stupid – farming out young people to anyone who’ll have ’em! 17 weeks job release training does no-one any good … the apprentice is crammed with knowledge that isn’t applied on the job and the employer (if they have one) is without some of the labour …
(“The good ol’ days” … five years apprenticeship, four at college, two nights a week (three hours each) and a day a fortnight – spread out over that period of time the new learning can be applied in the workshop … simples …)
Still got my apprenticeship indenture hanging in my study (remember you roots)… a contract signed by my parents, my employer, the state government and moi …
As for uni STEM is the way to go if you have high school kids … although my 14 yo g/daughter wants to be a paramedic …
We will need more cops too!!!! (Note: In my opinion more dangerous than the ADF!)
Are there any furnaces powered by renewables anywhere ?
Obviously,,,,,didn`t want to pay the $290 odd to do it the proper way,,,,,
# ,, oh FFS, `proper-way`, shit-loads of people climbed the fcuking thing BEFORE the GOUGING system was set-up, and the LAWS were introduced to ENSURE the fcuking GOUGE, it`s another example of taking-away from citizens
Oh I see so you can create a furnace to make steel without Coal …………………?
Are there any furnaces powered by renewables anywhere ?
Still not sure what you are talking about. You can get heat from renewables.
My knowledge of steel is zero. But i think they are saying you need the carbon from coal to make steel
It is heat+carbon from coal that makes steel.
“It is heat+carbon from coal that makes steel.”
Exactly !
Currently, unless TB has some chemical breakthrough he has yet to disclose, steel requires carbon.
An electric furnace cannot make steel without Coal somewhere in the process.
i.e. its more than just a fuel
Oh dear…………………
Seems the ordinary British citizen is a lot smarter than their pollies think they are.
Here comes Brexit
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-poll-most-brits-do-want-to-leave-one-week-to-go-before-eu-referendum-vote-a3273141.html
i.e. its more than just a fuel
So Bolt got it right. You cannot make a steel windmill without coal.
Gideon Skinner, head of political research at Ipsos MORI, said:
“The Leave campaign is getting their messages across, especially on the key public concern on immigration.
“But the Remain camp is finding it much harder to convince people that their core economic messages, both on the risks of Brexit and the benefits of staying, is going to have a personal impact on their lives.”
“So Bolt got it right”
Mmmmmm…….not quite IMHO.
He left out the “chemistry” part of it and seemed to be fixated on the fuel bit
God for the Brits they never adopted the €uro.
“God for the Brits they never adopted the €uro.”
Why are you mentioning “God” around here.
Are you not aware of TB’s fatwa upon that word ?
I remember being in the Republic of Ireland ( that’s the southern bit) in 1999 when it was still under the Irish Punt although artificially tethered to the Euro.
Revisited in 2003 and could not believe how much prices had risen.
much,,,,,harder to convince people that their core economic messages,,,,,
# ,, that`s the trouble with basing party, politics, and policy on screaming `wolf` and `sky-is-falling` l suppose
“Why are you mentioning “God” around here.”
Christ only knows.
He left out the “chemistry” part of it and seemed to be fixated on the fuel bit
Now yer cooking! Take ya pick!
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=electric+steel+furnace
Are you not aware of TB’s fatwa upon that word ?
Still making stuff up about me, wally … I’m agnostic we don’t have fatwahs … or papal edicts … nor influenced by any of them …
(“But there is another alternative to the current paradigm of steel production. The real issue is about the public obsession with infinite growth. We need to think carefully about what we really need steel for.”)
TB
Just make your point. Apparently coal is needed to make steel. It is not just the heat but the carbon from coal as well.
Please sumarise the point you are trying to make from your links.
“Generally, carbon is the most important commercial steel alloy. Increasing carbon content increases hardness and strength and improves hardenability. ”
http://www.thefabricator.com/article/metalsmaterials/carbon-content-steel-classifications-and-alloy-steels
Not that an article on Metallurgy matters much.
I’m sure TB knows far more about Metallurgy than the author
By the way Arc Furnaces work best with scrap metal
Yes, maybe there is something to be learnt here after all, it isn’t the heat produced by coal that is essential in steel production – it’s the carbon.
DO GREENS EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT??
“policy on screaming `wolf` and `sky-is-falling` l suppose”
You mean global warming?
much,,,,,harder to convince people that their core economic messages,,,,
No. l meant that.
# ,, remain vigilant squirter, eventually you`ll catch bob-brown dumping taker-loads of battery-acid on the barrier-reef (-: (-: (-: (-:
dumping,,,taNker-loads of battery-acid on the barrier-reef,,,,#correction
“eventually you`ll catch bob-brown dumping tanker-loads of battery-acid on the barrier-reef”
It wasn’t Bob. It was Sea Shepherd. Bob is only Chairman.
I’m sure TB knows far more about Metallurgy than the author
There ya go again … the little bit I know about metallurgy came from my high school metal work with an electric furnace ! Apprenticeship in the – wait – metal industry! And from being NS Supt @ a national reobar/steel mesh company … but I digress …
Without double checking, the original statement(s) was/were – “you can’t make “steel” without coal”
And as wally “discovered” – it should have been – you can’t make steel without carbon …
Steel was originally produced using timber!
http://www.worldsteel.org/steelstory/
Someone was attempting “prove” that you need coal to provide the high temp … I simply called BS, nicely.
By the way Arc Furnaces work best with scrap metal
Yep …
And a crucible is generally fused first with scrap for other application (eg pig or ore) … speeds up the melting process …
Naughty sea-shepard. Tankers such as you should NOT be `dumping` diesel in 500-Litre increments (or-less) just to impress Limited-News keyboard monkeys.
Steel was originally produced using timber!
How practical is this? Sounds like the ALP does not like coal or steel. WE should make all buildings from something other than steel.
WE should make all buildings from something other than steel.
er, we do …
Tell me, egg, do you know what nylon is made from …
“Steel was originally produced using timber!”
Thank God* for that “Little Black Rock” called Coal.
Otherwise we’d have no forests left
*Fatwa apparently now lifted by TB
“……And as wally “discovered”…….”
Yeah I discovered that in Science class approx. 40 years ago
*Fatwa apparently now lifted by TB
Applied by wally! FFS! Desperate or what!
Yeah I discovered that in Science class approx. 40 years ago
And yet you promote the LIEberal BS!
Are there any furnaces powered by renewables anywhere ?
Actually I can’t find any (doesn’t mean I won’t) … but in 1960 I wouldn’t find any nuclear power either …
Renewable energy is in its infancy, wally, and I suspect you know that …
… and I also suspect that renewable energy is the future of power around the world … and that, more than anything else will change the world (along with education and knowledge) …
In those third world countries you (and I) are so fond of!
Yeah I discovered that in Science class approx. 40 years ago
And yet rubbished me … knowing my background … duh!
Let the Facebook debate begin…………….Yaaaaaaaaawn
Well we agree on that, Wally! (actually quite a few things) …
eg GO MAROONS!
Enjoying my second Gentleman Jack ice and soda … to all, “Trashers”, “clink” … enjoy!
I have a James Squire Pilsener or 3 to get me through the night. Plus a bottle of pinot noir.
I must remember to pick up a case of Guinness tomorrow. It is now the season for it.
Although the tall can with the widget in it does not come close to a pint poured somewhere in Dublin’s Temple Bar district.
“”Although the tall can with the widget in it does not come close to a pint poured somewhere in Dublin’s Temple Bar district.””
True, but it’s a pretty good substitute…
Although the tall can with the widget in it does not come close to a pint poured somewhere in Dublin’s Temple Bar district.
Like I said … we agree on quite a few things!
The widgets are better than the bottles though (and I’m not a can man!)
“I’m sorry, surr, how can I help you!” (Every sentence began – “I’m sorry surr!”)
Luv da Irish but … had a ball! Sang “I Believe” in a (big) pub … mem’ries!
“I’m sorry surr!”
And here I was thinking it was only the Canadians who apologised all the time…. 🙂
Like I said … we agree on quite a few things!
Too funny, lefties agreeing with lefties.
Fact is you cannot make steel without coal. Coal is our second biggest export and iron ore is our biggest.
Give me islamic radicals any day. The Greens and ALP do more damage to Australia than radical Islam does.
Fact is you cannot make steel without coal. Coal is our second biggest export and iron ore is our biggest.
Yeah, t’s so big that they are giving the stuff away at record low prices. That’s the way to do it, dig up even more of the stuff and sell it dirt cheap! Nice
They’ve all got the shits real bad because of their own irrelevance to the australian people.
They demand to be interfering in our lives and bedrooms and creating all kinds of crazy fear & smear campaigns where they hold us to ransom through their ideology.
Go for it you nutters I say, knock yourselves out!
LOL!
news.com.au!
Sense of Humour Gauge
And here I was thinking it was only the Canadians who apologised all the time….:)
Certainly not the Tories! 😀
PNG court clear to consider detainee compensation:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/programmes/datelinepacific/audio/201804052/png-court-clear-to-consider-detainee-compensation
Transcript
The Supreme Court in Papua New Guinea has cleared the road for it to consider awarding compensation to asylum seekers in the Manus Island detention centre.
The court has allowed two cases involving the centre to be joined: the Namah case, that found the centre was unlawful, and the Lomai case, which could also result in Australia being ordered to take custody of the detainees.
Ben Robinson-Drawbridge asked the lawyer Ben Lomai when might the court decide on the compensation issue.
BEN LOMAI: Probably by the end of the month or anytime there after because on the 16th we are going there to try and resolve those disputed facts. If we can resolve some of those disputed facts in light of the Namah decision then we will apply for a substanding order, we only ask for two substanding orders one is to release all the asylum seekers back to the first port of entry. Second is to have their compensation paid to them. But the other consequences would be in terms of like getting the commonwealth to rejoin or the problems of enforcing the order, they’ve got to be a party to enforce the order. As I understand the supreme court in the Namah case have already involved them. That’s why one of the orders was for the Australian government and for Papua New Guinea’s government to make sure that they prevent a continuation breach of personal liberty of the asylum seekers. That’s what exactly happened when they opened the centre, so as to prevent the continuation of such breaches…
Pork barrelling and the hoax of ‘every vote counts’
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-17/cassidy-pork-barrelling-and-the-hoax-of-'every-vote-counts'/7519082
Less than 30 seats are genuinely up for grabs in this election and already we can see the funding promises being targeted there. Is it any wonder so many people are disenfranchised? Barrie Cassidy writes.
Malcolm Turnbull said on Thursday he wants everybody to treat their vote on July 2 as if that is the vote that will decide the election.
Nice line. Nice hoax.
The fact is fewer than 20 per cent of the population will cast a vote that really matters. The other 80 per cent live in electorates where the result is pre-ordained, and the major parties know it.
Of the 150 seats in the house of representatives, 30 seats at a stretch are genuinely in play.
That our system effectively disenfranchises so many people is disappointing. But it’s truly risible that those few who do live in the marginal seats get not only all the attention, but all the pork barrelling as well…
…But despite all that, the Prime Minister’s words are not totally wasted. When he says treat your vote as if it will decide the election, absolutely do so – in the Senate! Because at least in the contest for seats in that chamber the power of every vote is equal.
You can argue that the smallest states getting equal numbers of senators to the biggest states is hardly democratic either. But again that’s the system we have. At least in the senate contest every vote genuinely counts, no matter where you live…
my-abc,,,,,The fact is fewer than 20 per cent of the population will cast a vote that really matters. The other 80 per cent live in electorates where the result is pre-ordained, and the major parties know it.
Of the 150 seats in the house of representatives, 30 seats at a stretch are genuinely in play,,,,,
# ,, oh barrie, stop repeating my comments, nobody is listening
They`ve,,,,,all got the shits real bad because of their own irrelevance to the australian people,,,,,#and they`re all looking shit-scared since britain started shooting theirs!
#and they`re all looking shit-scared since britain started shooting theirs!
And they should be, they have to have some responsibility when they go about drumming up fear and hatred, dividing the country. The crosby/textor campaign manual is based on such fear & smear tactics. They can’t pretend innocence when someone who is not quite right in the head gets obsessed by the spoon fed hate and does something really tragic.
Why do conservatives hunger for war?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/federal-election/analysis/federal-election-2016-inside-former-pm-tony-abbotts-chaotic-misguided-military-deployments/news-story/7977fa6e3d073f6130fc4bf954944768
And they should be, they have to have some responsibility when they go about drumming up fear and hatred, dividing the country.
Not exactly, Jo Cox, who served for just 13 months and by all accounts before (significant) and after her murder (let’s call it what it is) she served Batley well. (I was born about 15K from there).
Murder or assassination can never be justified … never …
I’m surprised that no-one has had a pot shot at Trump tho’ … but then its usually the RWNJs that go for that …
No doubt someone will complain about this, but really, what possible reason is there to object?
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/17/government-wants-to-give-courts-power-to-disqualify-union-leaders
Does this remind you of anyone on the current campaign trail?
“He that uses too many words for explaining any subject, doth, like the cuttlefish, hide himself for the most part in his own ink.” John Ray
No wonder MALfunction rooted (an in joke for techies) the NBN …
No doubt someone will complain about this, but really, what possible reason is there to object?
You’ve really got it bad ToM … Unions BOO!
And the
Big Business Liberal Party is really running scared … more and more trivia each day …… whatever happened to …
JOBS & GROWTH!
“…The government has announced it will ban “corrupting benefits” being paid between employers and unions, and allow courts to disqualify union leaders to crack down on unlawful conduct…”
Don’t we already have existing legislation and agencies in place to deal with that kind of behaviour?
Another flip flopper in two paragraphs …
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/31/adversarial-industrial-relations-model-doesnt-work-says-business-chief
the ACCI and its affiliates around the country have been the worst advocates for industrial relations for decades … they actually train members in adversarial approaches to IR!
And this …
What about excessive banks profits, shonky financial advice, insurance company rip offs, wages rorts …
Hypocrisy writ large … wipe out the unions and what have you got … higher bank profits, Gina paying $2 an hour – all business paying $2 an hour – if at all! A country in economic shambles … just like the NBN only …
Hypocrisy writ LARGE!
jobs and growth my arse … closer to …
SLAVES & PROFITS!
Don’t we already have existing legislation and agencies in place to deal with that kind of behaviour?
Of course we do, KL … fraud and corruption are criminal offences … and if its “unlawful conduct” its —– “unlawful” …
On a side note I notice how the LibNits adverts are now becoming snarky as are the comments from certain Liberal pollies …
And odd that Cash’s annoying voice/”accent” hasn’t been mentioned by anyone … after The Mad Abbott’s supporters crucified, Julia Gillard …
TB,,,,,Murder or assassination can never be justified,,,,,
# ,, flip-flop. You argued the exact opposite when l pointed-out the `murder-by-drone` upon iraqi citizens teebz (-:
No wonder MALfunction rooted (an in joke for techies) the NBN …
No he didn’t I am not a Turnbull fan but FTTP would be too expensive and never be finished. After 5 years only 100K people were connected in 2013. Only 12M premises to go.
You only support NBN because it is ALP policy and do not care about Australia.
You,,,,only `dislike-fiber` because it is ALP policy and do not care about Australia,,,,,#imbecile
https://newmatilda.com/2016/06/16/parakeelia-privacy-and-the-need-for-a-federal-anti-corruption-body/
“…You only support NBN because it is ALP policy and do not care about Australia…”
You only support dud 2nd rate broadband because it’s Lib policy and do not care about what is best for all Australia. You just rattle off whatever malcolm and his team say without any thought whatsoever. The Libs know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
You only support dud 2nd rate broadband because it’s Lib policy and do not care about what is best for all Australia.
The Libs had a policy for Australia in 2007. WE are now stuck with the NBN. A govt company will always be slower and more expensive than private enterprise.
I cannot find the Coalitions policy for cities but for country areas Howard signed contracts for OPEL/Optis to give broadband for regional area but Conroy broke signed contracts.
http://www.techworld.com.au/article/395910/opel_would_serving_bush_broadband_today_turnbull/
Federal opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has used his National Press Club address to argue the decision to scrap the Howard government’s OPEL network for an NBN has denied the bush broadband services over the past three years.
Turnbull gave familiar arguments against the NBN saying the network is too costly, won’t result in more affordable broadband services and will stifle competition.
“For the 1.5 million or so Australians in remote or sparsely settled areas, the coalition and Labor technology approaches are very similar – fixed wireless and satellite,” he said.
“It is no accident the technologies to be deployed by the NBN are the same as those which would have been used by OPEL. And, had that scheme not been cancelled by Labor in 2008 would today be providing fast broadband to Australians in those areas.”
Shows being the richest Aussie don’t make you the smartest, hey!
Hey, Gina! That’s why!
# ,, flip-flop. You argued the exact opposite when l pointed-out the `murder-by-drone` upon iraqi citizens teebz (-:
Not related … ISIS and Taliban and Al-Qaeda are fair game … and if a drone saves one Diggers life I’m all for it!
Personally I’ve NEVER believed in political wars (especially civil wars) fought for the USA in ANY foreign country … I wonder why?
Stopping Iraq and its invasion of Kuwait … different kettle of fish …
And odd that Cash’s annoying voice/”accent” hasn’t been mentioned by anyone …
I don’t listen to her… and I hadn’t noticed that she had become PM,
FMD teebz, talk about ,,,,Not related,,,,,
Stopping,,,,Iraq and its invasion of Kuwait,,,,#hint-1991-NO-drones
and,,,,,ISIS and Taliban and Al-Qaeda,,,,,#wmd didn`t have anything to do with iraq(2003)
# ,, Until WE invaded and destroyed iraq(2003) and mass-murdered their citizens to help LOOT their oil
#flip.flop (-: you`re going a little bit teabag there, trying to rewrite `facts` and `history` teebz (-:
on my abc `planet-america`, l just saw their interview with `ronald-reagan-junior` (son-of-former-prez) ,, recommend-IVIEW ,, teabags won`t enjoy ,, reagan-jr gives the repugs a pretty good spanking
,,,,george-w is a war criminal and should be in jail,,,,
,,,,repugs oppose obama just to hurt him politically, even tho they know it would be good for their country,,,,,
The Australian government has defended its media blackout inside detention centres. The Coalition’s campaign spokesman, Mathias Cormann, this week said preventing access was part of “operational discipline” and suggested it prevented sharing intelligence information with people smugglers. He declined to give further explanation.
1940?
Stopping,,,,Iraq and its invasion of Kuwait,,,,#hint-1991-NO-drones
and,,,,,ISIS and Taliban and Al-Qaeda,,,,,#wmd didn`t have anything to do with iraq(2003)
# ,, Until WE invaded and destroyed iraq(2003) and mass-murdered their citizens to help LOOT their oil
yer prattling again …
ISIS and Taliban and Al-Qaeda exist … NOW!
I agreed with the defence of Kuwait against Iraq …
… not the later invasion of Iraq (GW 2) nor any other US invasion of sovereign soil earlier … eg to fight a civil war against Communists … let the fuckers fight it out themselves!
And we all know that GWI and GWII were over oil and Afghanistan was supposedly about 9/11 (I have no idea why – it seems from my research it was a Saudi funded op) …
BUT if a drone will save the lives of Aussie troops … I’m all for ’em … shimples?
1940?
I think you may find that is standard policy. This is what happened under Rudd/Gillard. The link is dated March 2013
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html
The federal government’s top legal adviser has told Australian Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs she cannot visit Nauru and Manus Island to assess and act on complaints from asylum seekers about conditions on the islands.
This is despite the centres being set up with Australian money and at Australia’s behest.
Legal advice from the Solicitor-General, sent to Professor Triggs’ office late last week, argued she did not have the jurisdictional power on Manus Island and Nauru to hear the complaints of people kept in offshore processing centres.
I think you may find that is standard policy. This is what happened under Rudd/Gillard. The link is dated March 2013
AND ITS WRONG!
AND STILL IS!
OPERATIONAL SECRECY IS WRONG!
We live in a democracy … not a Stalinist State!
I might also remind you that YOUR elected government has been in power for the last three years … criticise them …
you`re meandering all over the shop teebz, first,
BUT,,,,if a drone will save the lives of Aussie troops,,,,
# ,, l think you`ll find most (possibly-all) drones have been nowhere near adf-troops, they`re mainly used, say, EG to follow `taxi-drivers` home and blast them, plus a few dozen other `random` citizens to kingdom-come, not a `fighter` among`em (in most cases)
,
getting back to the original comment,
TB,,,,,Murder or assassination can never be justified,,,,,
BAGZ# ,, flip-flop. You argued the exact opposite when l pointed-out the (mass)`murder-by-drone`(2003) upon iraqi citizens teebz (-:
# ,, just as tinfoil`osy cannot distinguish between criticism of, the taxpayer-bludging catlick pedo-institution, and, what his family/friends do in the privacy of their own bedroom with their sky-fairy ,, ,, you can`t seem to distinguish criticism of the politicians and the top of the adf`n spooks that should be blamed IMO, and, the poor fcuking plebs sent into the quagmire that are blameless IMO
# ,, however, it is unsurprising that govts of teh-west, after saturating the public with fear-mongering and hate-speak for 15-years, eventually over-stimulate and over-agitate citizens until somebody does something drastic and there is blow-back
# ,, didn`t you notice how agitated `our` very own herd of fascists were, and how hard they stampeded across this blog when `duncan` asked a question????
AO,,,,,they have to have some responsibility when they go about drumming up fear and hatred, dividing the country,,,,,
# ,, armchair got it in one!!
Even Mordoch now recognises that the ALP FTTP (FTTH if you prefer) is superior!
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/heres-the-experience-of-four-different-aussies-on-four-different-nbn-technologies/news-story/d61affce22221d3d47e32507332c5639
This amused me …
And no, egg, I won’t explain why … just a waste of my time …
I don’t listen to her… and I hadn’t noticed that she had become PM,
Don’t be Fuckwit© all yer life ToM … you know exactly what I mean … unless you really are a dill ? That would bother me a bit … only a bit …
tbagz prattle … neelworld … two on one blog astounding!
BTW ToM … I’m impressed … I don’t listen to her … neither do I … as Employment Minister she’s an abject failure … employment is about employees not businesses …
tbagz – what bullshit
Even Mordoch now recognises that the ALP FTTP (FTTH if you prefer) is superior!
That is not the point. A Rolls Royce is superior to a Kingswood but who can afford one. How long would FTTP take to build and how much would it cost? From your link
Ms Chamberlin said after initially having to go to the ombudsman to expedite the installation process “because it was taking three weeks to dig a trench out the font of our house” during which there was no internet connection at all, the network performance has been great.
How many trenches would have to be dug around Australia to get FTTP? And with a govt company building it they may bankrupt the country. And i don’t believe the download times the lady talks about. I am on NBN-FTTN and download times are very fast. But so were download times when i had ADSL
That is not the point. A Rolls Royce is superior to a Kingswood but who can afford one. How long would FTTP take to build and how much would it cost? From your link
That’s all bunkum and lib party propaganda, we’re talking about a national investment for now and the future. You’re plain stupid if you think we’re not going to depend on hi-speed fibre for our future techno needs.
The party of innovation who spent their time destroying a national investment which would have taken us forward and carried into our children’s future needs. What boneheads!
A progressive party to vote for
https://www.australianprogressives.org.au/
AO
Please list your expertise in broadband? I suspect is is around about zero.
You only support NBN-FTTP because it is ALP policy. If it was Coalition policy you would be against it.
Please list your expertise in broadband? I suspect is is around about zero.
Much more insightful than your usual nonsense …
The French resistance that could take down a government:
http://www.solidarity.net.au/highlights/the-french-resistance-that-could-take-down-a-government/
vive la revolution!
“Do it once, do it right, do it with fibre”
https://www.internet.org.au/docs/media/451-18-april-2016-news-release-internet-australia-issues-a-revised-nbn-policy-calls-for-a-strategic-rethink-and-an-end-to-copper/file
AO
Your internet link said this
Making the call for a bipartisan NBN rethink, CEO Laurie Patton observed: “In 2007 a government was elected that undertook to build a modern broadband network delivering cable all the way to more than 90 percent of the nation’s premises
Laurie Patton is a liar. gee I wonder if he votes for the ALP?
Rudd in 2007 promised a NBN FTTN costing $4.7B and be finished by 2013.
It never happened.
ALP 2007 solemn election promise which fooled all of Australia
You only support NBN-FTTP because it is ALP policy. If it was Coalition policy you would be against it.
Fkn liar neil, don’t tell me what and why I support anything, as if you would have a clue, you would be the last to know.
i support the ALP NBN, even their latest revised one, because it is better for the nation, it is a nation building, progressive, forward thinking infrastructure which will benefit future generations to come. It is evidence based, best practice, you know the sciencey stuff that a cretin like you can’t relate to.
The liberal party is going to leave future generations of australians worse off in every way possible, economically, environmentally and technological, they are bereft of any decency or duty of care, they are economic and environmental vandals.
“Death To Traitors, Freedom For Britain”
That is a political statement from a terrorist.
…Are those who idolise ambitious grey men, who “tell it like it is” by lying, ready to listen to this man, now? Are you ready to hear this foreign, leftie poofter tell it to you like it is?
Or are you going to stick your fingers in your ears and scream DON’T POLITICISE THIS DEATH? It was not just a “death”. It was a murder. The murder of a female politician, with strong views, by a man who wanted to silence her. An act of terror in the realest sense.
Just about the most disrespectful thing we could do, is erase this murdered woman’s on-record, hard-fought politics from her life. If they don’t suit your agenda, tough. That is a good reason for you to reexamine your agenda; not for everyone else to shut up, because it makes you feel bad.
Politicians talk with nauseating frequency about “listening to people’s feelings”. Well, here are mine. Listen to them.
In my twenty-six years in this country, I have never felt more foreign, less welcome, more marginalised, or less safe. I am not alone. Hundreds of migrants I speak to feel this way. I spend every minute of every day trying to justify my existence, against a wall of blind hatred. It is that hatred that killed Jo Cox. And we all must look into our conscience and answer the question: “Have I contributed”?..
https://www.byline.com/column/11/article/1109
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/18/labor-seizes-on-treasury-advice-that-wealthy-get-most-from-negative-gearing
More MALfunction TurnAbbott lies …
And more … when does the truth become a lie … when the Lieberal party ditches the plan … because it was the truth … duh!
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/19/election-2016-malcolm-turnbull-drops-medicare-payment-plan-after-labors-privatisation-attack
Ya can’t make the truth a lie by changing the facts that were true originally- later!
TurnAbbott, comments here too, I reckon …
From, KLs, comment above … “”””@Shorten_Suite @latikambourke parakeelia funding LNP with Australian taxes”””””
In my electorate and the next, there is Liberal placards everywhere … and I’ve seen less than a dozen Labor … yep a dozen!
No Labor placards in my street (and its a bloody long street!) but Libs everywhere …
I just don’t get it (I live in a marginal too) …
No,,,,,Labor placards in my street,,,,,
# ,, no surprise here, the `team` are still paying for knifing kevin07`n jooLiar, l reckon. Teabag signs have been stuck-up in `main-street` business`s l`ve traveled thu for weeks now, and it should be noted, some of`em had kevin07 signs back in the day. l can`t say l`ve noticed any7 signs in the residential areas tho, now or before.
# ,, the `team` won`t make it, and it seems their `own` polling is showing-it at this stage, they will really need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to drag blib`s hated arse over the line.
… to drag blib`s hated arse over the line.
Do you live in Oz … ?
Just askin’ …
According,,,,,to a report from ABC News, the Coalition was provided with modeling from Treasury which showed the top 20% of incomes in Australia shared more than half of the negative gearing tax benefits, and the lowest quintile received just 5.2%,,,,,,
# ,, so the teabags are running with something that makes the rich richer, and has a by-product of making the poor poorer, really, is anybody `surprised` by this?????
# ,, post election prediction, if the teabags can get it passed the senate, we will be lumped with the 15%(or-more)gst
Parakeelia: The inner workings of the Liberals’ funding rort
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/06/18/parakeelia-the-inner-workings-the-liberals-funding-rort/14661720003388
…Perhaps the most outrageous aspect of the affair, though, is the evidence that the Liberal Party was double dipping on the taxpayer – not only funnelling money through Parakeelia to itself, but also using public servants to train members in how to use the system.
According to reports in the Fairfax papers, backed by leaked emails, parliamentary staff employed by something called the Coalition Advisory Service, recently rebadged as the Members and Senators Support Unit, were simultaneously working for Parakeelia. Thus the Liberal-owned company’s staff costs were apparently shifted onto the taxpayer.
“It clearly is fraudulent because those people are supposed to be ministerial advisers and instead they are seconded to another office where basically they do political stuff,” Jensen says…
…But legality is not the same as morality.
When the Liberal Party says it complies with electoral law, it is very much like when Google says it complies with tax law.
It means they have exploited another loophole.
And 13 years after Ron Walker assured the journalists at Fairfax that he had quit all associations with the Liberal Party, 11 years after he told shareholders the same thing and nine years after David Marr was assured the “oversight” would be fixed in a matter of days, Walker remains the major shareholder in Parakeelia.
In an email to The Saturday Paper on Thursday, the party assured us again: “Appropriate arrangements to transfer this shareholding will be made in due course.”
Just as in due course the Liberal Party will reform Australia’s corrupted donation laws…
ditched,,,,,the idea of outsourcing the Medicare payments system,,,,,
# ,, this too is bullshit, talkbull will of course `white-ant` any of the `public-services` which he pass thru the senate
# ,, it will join `jobactive` and `gulag` contractors at the treasury-taxpayer-trough, who will then provide laundered `donations` back to `both` teams #yaaaay.taxpayer.funded.corruption
… really, is anybody `surprised` by this?????
Well, not me! But others obviously are …
… and I want to know why information from the TREASURY is REDACTED!
Do all these religious nuts learn to lie, cheat and deceive in church … or is it that the whole concept of religion is a deception so it attracts like minded people?
Just as in due course the Liberal Party will reform Australia’s corrupted donation laws…
DUE FKN COURSE! I’m so sick of being treated like a fkn moron by the Liberal Party in particular and politicians in general!
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# ,, this too is bullshit, talkbull will of course `white-ant` any of the `public-services` which he pass thru the senate
So why keep supporting TurnAbbott? (eg … to drag blib`s hated arse over the line.)
Hated by whom? You ? If so … why?
AND! For the LIEberals
1. No mention of:
► Negative Gearing Welfare
► Trust Fund Welfare
► Super Tax Breaks for the Rich Welfare
► Multi-national Tax Dodge Welfare – Emphasising the PANAMA PAPERS
► Present Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare
► Post Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare
► Pollies International Travel Wastefulness
► Liberal Party Economic Incompetence
► Reduction or Stopping Private School Funding for Any Future Cases of Paedophilia
► PARAKEELIA (NEW)
► Gay marriage plebiscite wastefulness ($160 – 180 million)
► $9.4 billion Lodge wastefulness
Should TurnAbbott emigrate to the Cayman Islands and invest in Australia?
Thus,,,,,the Liberal-owned company’s staff costs were apparently shifted onto the taxpayer,,,,,
# ,, yet using a `free`mates-ute in his local area was `meant` to be `corruption`
# ,, corruption so bad apparently, that fake emails needed to be concocted
# ,, oh yes, return of the rabbit-govt with the new `no-judgment` hood-ornament is going to be a lot of fun
…I just don’t get it (I live in a marginal too) …
I think there’s huge $ pouring into the Libs from business. They havebeen running scams on the taxpayer. Everything business donates to them is a tax deduction and they’ve even managed to have their every party expense funded by the taxpayer.
Especially heinous since they spend all their time talking down any intrusions upon the public purse. Now we find they’ve been bleeding the taxpayer’s dry for decades!. Let’s not start on the pollie ‘entitlements’ and their entitlement to fleece us as for everything they can and more.
Hate to think how much government funding has gone into the pockets of the backers, should we start with rupert’s $880 million?
There’s never been a more exciting time to have the keys to the treasury coffers what?
There’s never been a more exciting time to have the keys to the treasury coffers what?
KL, coffers? Treasury REDACTIONS!!! Unspeakable! Who owns the fkn country? TurnAbbott and SloMo? & COMPANIES?
seems that `team-cheering` has set-in a little in bananaland, trouble distinguishing the NON-aligned can see blue-crap-leaders `and` red-crap-leaders
plib looks as sick as a dog tonight, l reckon she`ll get the boot
my-abc,,,,,,But there also is something else at work. When the Greens were included in the same list of issues in February last year, the `don`t knows` dropped significantly, often below 30 per cent. In other words, “don’t know” in many cases in the recent surveys was a surrogate for `,`neither of the above`,`.,,,,,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-17/steketee-trust-me,-we-find-it-very-hard-to-believe-our-leaders/7519178
# ,, maybe this hasn`t reached Limited-News bananaland editions yet (-:
► Liberal Party Economic Incompetence
It was the ALP who abolished the Pacific Solution resulting in 50,000 boat people costing us $15B-$20B to house. Apparently there are still 30,000 of these people in the system costing us billions more.
That cost most probably equals the revenue measures you have listed.
And by the way why didn’t the ALP enforce your list? They had the numbers to pass anything through parliament.
my-abc,,,,,,,As more and more voters cast around for alternatives, the Liberal and Labor parties have come up with a cunning plan. They are exchanging preferences between themselves rather than doing deals with the Greens or other smaller parties and independents. This may work in the short term to stop the Greens and Nick Xenophon’s Team from winning some lower house seats. But it has a downside.
It looks like the major parties ganging up not only against smaller groups but against voters. Xenophon`s description of it as a cartel may well resonate. Voters have the choice of not following the parties’ how-to-vote cards and there are increasing signs that they are doing so,,,,,,
# ,, there looks like there could be a political `aldi`(s) appearing to rattle the political-woolie-coles ,, what a shame
smh,,,,,Greens leader Richard Di Natale has challenged Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten to include him in the next leaders debate, claiming the rising “Green tide” is causing panic in Labor and Liberal ranks.
Under soft green lighting at the Greens national conference in Melbourne on Saturday morning, Dr Di Natale told the party faithful the establishment was running scared.
Comparing the old parties to the Coles and Woolworths duopoly, who “shut out the little guy” and stifle their competitors, he said excluding the Greens from last night’s televised leaders debate was a sign they were a growing threat,,,,,,
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/the-green-tide-is-coming-in-di-natale-challenges-turnbull-shorten-to-leaders-debate-20160514-gov4j7.html
# ,, Guffaw
# ,, Coles`n Woolies must `really` fcuking hate election-time now-a`days. All the negative-press they now cop, after successfully dodging most of it for 3-years.
tbagz waffle … this may well work, could be, might, looks like, there could be, increasing signs, may well resonate …
ls it `waffle` because,
1.you disagree with it
2.can`t counter it
3.don`t have the nads to make your own predictions like boo-melb
tweet,,,,,#faketradie installing a #fakeNBN,,,,,
# ,, ha-ha, l only saw the ad once and already twitter is reading my thoughts, maybe fakeTradie should stop working for the fakeIntellectual
Well look at what happens when you elect Labor
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/queensland-eight-times-more-in-the-red-since-bjelke/news-story/bc66b53801445507efa4b2320e4fc195
Total public debt in Queensland is eight times the levels of 30 years ago.
New economic analysis shows that, since 1986, the size of debt as a proportion of Queensland’s economic output, gross state product, has jumped from 4 per cent to more than 33 per cent, and rising.
The figures come after the Palaszczuk government last week delivered its second budget, raiding a public servant’s superannuation fund to pay $2 billion off its borrowings.
You know when govts start raiding Super funds the govt is in trouble.
Has then ever been a ALP govt that has not trashed the budget? ALP are nothing but economic vandals.
queensland-eight-times-more-in-the-red-since-bjelke?
Do you know how meaningless that is neil?
Qld has eight times less official corruption since bjelke
My hair is eight times shorter since bjelke
Live exports and offshore detention: the lie that diminishes us all
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/live-exports-and-offshore-detention-the-lie-that-diminishes-us-all-20160617-gpl9gf.html#ixzz4C4RC7lOH
…There’s talk of making it an offence to film the treatment of Australian animals overseas, just as it is now an offence for health workers to report what they’ve witnessed happening to human beings on Manus Island and Nauru.
The link is that if these things are happening offshore (even to those for whom we have responsibility) we can kid ourselves we are true to our values at home, all the more so if the details are kept from us.
It’s why the United States tortures its captives offshore, in secret locations.
Except that it doesn’t work. Cognitive dissonance is a technical term for the mental stress we experience when we know that we are doing something wrong.
Showing around Australia right now is Chasing Asylum, a movie made using hidden cameras in our offshore detention centres. For me the most chilling part is the interview with the former prison officer who says the people he locked up in Australia weren’t that badly off. They knew when they would be released.
Neither of our main political parties wants to stop shipping people and animals overseas. But the Greens and others do. We are able to make choices in the fortnight ahead, or we are able to turn our backs and tell ourselves it isn’t happening here…
Turnbull’s voice is not holding up, he’ll be croaking on qanda.
I’d be quite happy with a few Xenophon supporters holding the balance of power
Far more rational and stable than Greens or Windsor, Oakshott etc.
i support the ALP NBN, even their latest revised one, because it is better for the nation, it is a nation building, progressive, forward thinking infrastructure which will benefit future generations to come.
Any idea how much FTTP would cost? Did you read TB’s link. The people who had FTTP had no internet access for 3 weeks because they had to build a trench along the street. That would have to occur with every house in Australia who wants FTTP.
If you had to pay $500/month for Labors FTTP you would have a different opinion.
Do you know how meaningless that is neil?
Not meaningless at all. It means govt debt in Qld was 4% of GDP when Bjelke lost govt and was at 32% of GDP when Labor finished trashing the state. Qld now has $80B of debt. By comparison in NSW govt debt is close to zero.
ls it `waffle` because,
1.you disagree with it “”””” NO need to, its waffle – meaningless conjecture “””””
2.can`t counter it “”””” WHAT’S to counter – its meaningless waffle … even the polls are too close top call …
3.don`t have the nads to make your own predictions like boo-melb “”””” ToM is famous for meaningless waffle and conjecture before the event … haven’t set yourself a very high standard”””””
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Bullshit, noll, … no internet access for 3 weeks because they had to build a trench along the street. That would have to occur with every house in Australia who wants FTTP.
ALL the services are already underground in my street … cable to my home and there are plenty more … other streets in the country are underground too … so not “every house” …
Those that have to have trenches dug would have ADSL available …
Shrill nonsense …
TB
Most people do not have cable to their homes i would suspect. Apparently Turnbull as Communications Minister arranged to have cables already in use for Pay TV or something like that to be used in their multi-mix technology. But most streets would have to be dug up for FTTP to be installed
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/heres-the-experience-of-four-different-aussies-on-four-different-nbn-technologies/news-story/d61affce22221d3d47e32507332c5639
Ms Chamberlin said after initially having to go to the ombudsman to expedite the installation process “because it was taking three weeks to dig a trench out the font of our house” during which there was no internet connection at all, the network performance has been great.
“To give you an example, to download an episode of a TV show … it would probably take four to six hours in Southbank,” she said. “Now it takes probably 15 minutes. It flies.”
And the big advantage is you can download TV shows faster. But i suspect FTTN would be just fine.
And nobody knows how much FTTP would cost. If people had to pay $500/month for FTTP their opinions would change
Honestly TB, I have to reply –
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• “””””””””””””””””””
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So there you have it, please just include some random and nonsensical words
LOL! I knew you’d reply! LOL!
Clever too … ~(8-)
C’mon Julie! Substitute Julie Bishop (or anyone’s name for that matter) for Caroline Wilson and it is offensive … ’tis you who has missed the context entirely!
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/put-mcguire-comments-in-context-bishop/news-story/81174c18d33c997fd5705dedaa2810d0
Insensitive? Especially for a Foreign Minister …
Where is he. Pom-poms just don`t take `that` long to repair. Where is my team-cheerer. Drag him out from under his bed. Remaining in the fetal-position that long `is` unhealthy. (-:
onions! ,, panic! ,, boo! (-:
Insensitive?,,,,,Especially for a Foreign Minister,,,,,
# ,, Nah, l agree with jooLie on this one. Fcuk Limited-News trolls playing the `hurt-card` for themselves, yet lead the `hate-charge` on nonsense like `duncan`, Let the imbecile-herd wallow in their own filth.
“…C’mon Julie! Substitute Julie Bishop (or anyone’s name for that matter) for Caroline Wilson and it is offensive … ’tis you who has missed the context ..”
They make it sound as if Eddie made a proper apology! I heard it and it was nothing of the sort , he was deliberately insincere Eddie has a history of offensive commentary, channel 9’s audience is the older, chauvistic types who get a laff from his put downs and bigotry. Why there is even an audience for the immature and unfunny ravings off the footy show I’ll never know.
10:30PM June 19, 2016
http://www.google.com.au/url?q=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/federal-election-campaign-day-43-labors-campaign-launch-turnbull-in-sydney/news-story/264f376b98984db6f279fd4121868f43&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj0jYeZ_7XNAhVGHJQKHb1YDVcQqQIIHzAB&usg=AFQjCNGOAYQm0XbrEqjYu4GkO9PaVVJDEw
(hopefully jumps paywall)
teh-oz,,,,,Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten enter the final two weeks of the election campaign with an almost identical low satisfaction rating from voters as their parties are deadlocked at 50-50, writes Phillip Hudson.
The latest Newspoll, taken exclusively for The Australian, reveals the primary vote for both Labor and the Coalition edged up in the past fortnight.
The Coalitionâs primary vote returned to 41 per cent while Labor rose to 36 per cent.
The Greens are unchanged at 10 per cent with support for other parties and independents fell to 13 per cent.
Satisfaction with Turnbullâs performance fell over the past fortnight while Shortenâs satisfaction rating climbed. Turnbull remained the preferred prime minister over Shorten but more than one-in-five voters remain undecided,,,,,
teh-oz,,,,,Turnbull remained the preferred prime minister over Shorten but,,,,,
# ,, blib`s hated arse
teh-oz,,,,,more than one-in-five voters remain undecided,,,,,
# ,, possible code for, neither of`em
teh-oz,,,,,He confirmed that Labor offered a preference deal to his party, which he(#xeno) refused,,,,,
# ,, it seems blib`s hated arse is understood by xeno, really, how can xeno (or-greenz-or-indis) now possibly do a `deal` on preferences with blib, when blib has screamed long and loud he won`t cut a deal for a minority govt
# ,, yet again, another `issue` where blib shot himself in the head #yaaay.team
Tanya,,,,,Joan Plibersek is an Australian politician who has been the Member of Parliament for Sydney since 1998, and,,,,,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_Plibersek
# ,, been there long enough, piss-off
Albanese,,,,,In 1998 he unsuccessfully moved a private member`s bill that,,,,
# ,, don`t care, too long, fcuk-off too, times-up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese
Peter,,,,,Craig Dutton (born 18 November 1970) Australian politician,,,,
# ,, dumber, bigger zombie is hard to find, fcuk this one off too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dutton
tho not impossible, king of the zombies,
,,,,,Abbott won Liberal preselection for the federal Division of Warringah by-election in March 1994 following the,,,,,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott
# ,, fcuk off
ha-ha teabags, reportland are only trailing me by 6-months this time, `jobactive` also being used by organized crime
Go ALP! Go CFMEU!!!
OI!OI!OI!!
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/former-cfmeu-official-halafihi-kivalu-should-serve-suspended-sentence-for-blackmail-court-told-20160525-gp3f9s.html
sat-paper,,,,,,MAX Solutions already enjoyed the largest share of Australiaâs employment and disability employment services market (about 10 per cent), having earned $800 million from the federal government over the past five years under its existing employment department contracts.
The US company now dominates the `welfare business` in Australia,
having picked up 27 employment services contracts across the country, including 14 of the 51 regional Work for the Dole co-ordinator contracts. The next most successful provider â Mission Providence â will operate in 11 regions, including six Work for the Dole co-ordinator contracts.
The Saturday Paper can reveal MAX Solutionsâ highly successful tender bids were guided by the former Department of Employment senior employee who managed the purchasing process of the 2009 JSA tender, which awarded MAX Solutions its dominant market share.
The Work for the Dole co-ordinator contracts are worth $380,000 a year each,,,,,,
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/04/25/jobactives-work-the-dole-contracts-sold-us-companies/14298840001801
# ,, this teabag idea is riddled with faults and corruption. lt has actually put `paid-employed` workers at charity`s out of their job. The so-called charities receive a 3-grand `service-fee` per `dole-ee` for receiving the `free`labor, which has allowed them to sack their `paid-laborers`. Yes reb, the salvo-sucks are one of them.
# ,, there is 66 biz/charitie `brands` with their snout in the trough. Without a TRANSPARENT and IMMEDIATE party-donor register, we are totally buggered trying to find-out how many of them are pwning both teams. (icac-too)
# ,, check-out tonights reportland too.
After Q&A tonight the nation should save $180 million on an equality plebiscite and just vote anything but Liberal or Nationals to prove the point!
MALfunction TrustAbbott
(Melissa Parke…we can do better.)
This seems fair –
Malcolm Turnbull has clashed with host Tony Jones during his first Q&A appearance since becoming prime minister, accusing Jones of acting as a “spokesman” for the Labor Party.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/qa-malcolm-turnbull-accuses-tony-jones-of-being-a-very-good-spokesman-for-labor-20160620-gpnqep.html#ixzz4CAU01crq
“(Melissa Parke…we can do better.)”
Certainly the ALP and Green mongrels that caused the drownings can do better.
TurnAbbout claims we are the most successful multicultural nation in the world and we have to have a $180 million plebiscite on the civil rights of a section of the community …
And the naivety to believe nastiness and vicious attacks will not come? Especially from the Liberal Party defies belief …
MALfunction TurnAbbout is running scared it was pretty obvious on Q&A last night … the defence of his wishy washy explanations by news.com.au are embarrassing reading …
SAVE the COUNTRY $180 million …
Vote
✓ LABOR
… accusing Jones of acting as a “spokesman” for the Labor Party.
Piss weak outburst …
Like I said, running scared …
✓
LABORXenophonThe attack on volunteer firefighters by the Andrews government – as repayment to its Unionland paymasters is the most disgusting thing in Australian politics for a long time.
Volunteerism is one of the greatest features of Australian society. Sadly, we have always had treasonous unions. It is sickening to see the treasonous mongrels win out and have their stooge Andrews stab the volunteers.
Expect more of the same if Shorten is elected. If you want to sell out your country then by all means ✓ LABOR.
“…………….and we have to have a $180 million plebiscite on the civil rights of a section of the community … ”
Not just him
“Voters overwhelmingly want a direct say on issues such as gay marriage and to not leave the decision to politicians, according to a new study that endorses the position accepted by Malcolm Turnbull to hold a plebiscite………….The findings by the Centre for Governance and Public Policy at Griffith University show seven out of 10 voters do not agree with Labor’s pledge to have parliament decide on the issue of same-sex marriage within 100 days of the election, and instead prefer the position set by former prime minister Tony Abbott………”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/federal-election-2016-gay-marriage-for-voters-to-decide/news-story/36caa070fe77e60972482a89c408f074
That’s a fact. Andrews in just the local version of Shorten. A hack that’s propped up by the union voting bloc.
Selling out volunteers is entirely acceptable to ALP hacks, because they’re extendible and really don’t matter when it comes to ALP power
The sweetest outcome would be for Shorten to lose because he failed in the outer metro seats of Melbourne where the volunteers turned on the ALP
“And the naivety to believe nastiness and vicious attacks will not come? ”
Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate
Well apparently NSW is now debt free, running surplus budgets and spending record amounts on infrastructure. Shows what can be done.
I’ll have to ask TB how Queensland is doing on the debt front.
More victims of the Orlando shootings according to the NYT:
Orlando Killings Rob Young New York Muslims of a Cherished Holiday Respite
Very shrill here today … LOL!
Someone’s hurtin’ …
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Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate
I wonder why? One example …
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Bernardi+on+gay+marriage
We don’t need a debate! You can’t trust the people to make up their own minds.
What? Do you think this is some sort of democracy???
If anyone’s shrill it would be those north of the Tweed. Those marginals are just not tipping to the Left. Especially not in Sydney. Plus the LNP will get back Clive’s Fairfax and the ALP will lose Batman to the Greens. How amusing. And poor old Albo is no cert and Tanya should be worried come next election. It will probably be her turn LOL
How many public servants have been added to the Qld Public Service under Qld Labor ?
“Do you think this is some sort of democracy???”
I think you are thinking of Venezuela ?
That’s TB’s role model economy
I’d prefer our current political class did not make any decisions.
First, do no harm.
“TurnAbbout claims we are the most successful multicultural nation in the world and we have to have a $180 million plebiscite on the civil rights of a section of the community … ”
By the way
What the Fuck has multiculturalism got to do with Gay Marriage ?
I would have thought that new arrivals have a much higher traditionalist/religious view on Marriage anyway.
TB just cant work out what he’s trying to say these days. “A bit muddled up” …………………as geriatric nurses often say.
Anyone who believes democracy is the best system of organising society must surely agree a plebiscite is more democratic than a vote in parliament. The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way.
“The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way.”
In the EU that is not an issue! In fact democracy isn’t an issue. The EU Parliament can’t even initiate legislation.
That’s the problem with Leftists like TB
They like to lecture us on how horrible we all are as with his “……. the naivety to believe nastiness and vicious attacks will not come? “
What a shocker – nastiness and horrible attacks! Don’t tell me things are getting heated and people are speaking their minds! Can’t have that! Quick, quick call Nanny Triggs. She’ll call for massive damages for the “victims”. And TB needn’t worry. She won’t do anything that embarrasses the ALP.
Especially not in Sydney
I think the results could be interesting. However the betting odds make no sense. Sportsbet has the Coalition at $1.13 and Labor at $6.05. So the punters think the Coalition is a sure thing but Newspoll says it is 50:50. Makes no sense
But i will not be putting the Coalition No 1 for the first time in my life. My member was one of the 53 traitors. I will put that person No 2 so the Coalition will get my preference but apparently will lose $2.60 in funding.
AS for the Senate i will be voting for Conservative politicians in front of the LIbs. Labor and Greens will be at the bottom of my vote.
In TB’s world this is how everyone looks before going to bed each night……………..
Sweet Dreams………………………………..
tinfoil`osy,,,,,The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way,,,,,
# ,, Good thing john-w didn`t have a plebiscite before he reworded the federal marriage-act and just stepped on the gays throats (as-did with NT euthanasia) without one, and in what might be perceived as a `very` catlick-kristian thing, to then `demand` a plebiscite to then lift the jackboot from their throats, merely to please dog-clubs and sky-fairies.
The very rational and sane people at Black Lives Matter have a view on the causes of Orlando-style terrorism:
Pretty much par for the course in Lefty La-La Land.
“These forces and not Islam create terrorism.”
Yep……….and the attack on the Lindt Cafe was an attack upon chocolate lovers.
I figure that’s how it works.
ISIS has created a club for violent, homophobic, sexist, misogynist, criminals and assorted misfits. They used to be just isolated in their bizarre sociopathic attitudes.
But ISIS has made them into a religion!
says,,,,,it is 50:50,,,,,#noisepoll is full of crap
l take it the ,,,sportsbet,,,, numbers are for an `outright`govt kneel, not `watermelon` which was/is basically blib`s only chance
Nah, why should I be concerned about … “a reasoned debate” on gay marriage, human rights, equal rights … from people who think … if you’re not white, krystchun, middle aged, with kids and supporting (actively or passively) a tory, big business, big bucks backed political party … you are somehow — sub-human …
Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate
TB just cant work out what he’s trying to say these days. “A bit muddled up” …………………as geriatric nurses often say.
The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way. And the government can simply ignore it!
That’s the problem with Leftists like TB
And TB needn’t worry. She won’t do anything that embarrasses the ALP.
In TB’s world this is how everyone looks before going to bed each night……………..
I knew if I left you to your rightist ramblings you’d eventually prove my point … from simply nasty, sexist, ageist, ignorant (in the true sense of the word – regarding what a plebiscite actually is and its lack of “power” in parliament) … and a touch of pantzwetting – as my good friend and lost colleague, toylet, would say …
Of course I can expect a reasoned debate on a gay marriage plebiscite … yeah!
Thanks GUYS …
Looking forward to July 2 … keep up the
good“reasonable” work …the `war` of false differences is on again l see, `our` westboro-teabags pretending `this` flavored sky-fairy tastes better than `that` flavored sky-fairy, both which incidentally belong to the `same` dog. Others no doubt, will try to solve the nations problems with (blue/red, red+blue, purple) yard-signs in support of the (red/blue, purple, blue+red) swap-a-thon that never `really` changes anything.
I see there is a rumour going around that the Coalition will sell Medicare. The crazy thing about this idea is that who would buy it? I don’t think hospitals make any money.
“”Anyone who believes democracy is the best system of organising society must surely agree a plebiscite is more democratic than a vote in parliament. “”
So why don’t we have one before we decide whether or not to go to war with another nation?
“”The crazy thing about this idea is that who would buy it?””
Oh FFS.
Why don’t we just have direct democracy?
Why don’t we just look over there?
I would have thought it was addressing your question directly. Is that a possum?
Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate
“…Anyone who believes democracy is the best system of organising society must surely agree a plebiscite is more democratic than a vote in parliament. The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way..”
“…Voters overwhelmingly want a direct say on issues such as gay marriage and to not leave the decision to politicians, according to a new study that endorses the position accepted by Malcolm Turnbull to hold a plebiscite…”
In that case you’d think the plebiscite offered would be a binding one wouldn’t you? Not a non-binding one which some coalition mp’s have already threatened to reject if it doesn’t suit their personal belief system [because it’s all about them isn’t it?]
How often do we have to see businesses on TV who are in trouble for not paying their staff the correct wage before we realise it’s a systemic, nation wide issue, just the tip of the iceberg?
“The enemy is now and has always been the four threats of white supremacy, patriarchy, capitalism, and militarism. These forces and not Islam create terrorism.”
Yep, without those the rich white people who have given themselves grand titles and positions of power and enormous influence wouldn’t be able to create and maintain all the systems that oppress others, including poorer whiteys [who are still one rung above the brown people though].
lt`s still eleven days to the election, and the team-cheerer has been missing for a few days now, it`s not like him to have surrendered this early, unless of course he `knows` something. lt is also unusual ricky-pann hasn`t turned-up either.
“The crazy thing about this idea is that who would buy it?”
Exactly. Half or something like that of its revenue comes from the Taxpayer.
Why buy something when a legislative change (which aint going to happen anyway) would allow Private Hospital Companies to set up all over the place.
Oh that’s right I forgot……they already do.
And what is so wrong about outsourcing the bean counters when the NDIS already does the same thing.
Anyone notice how Shorten got very antsy when asked that question yesterday and refused to answer it
“………– regarding what a plebiscite actually is and its lack of “power” in parliament…….”
The Griffith University survey says you are completely wrong.
But there you go shutting down debate as always. Its your default position Mr Muddled
Oh
And I got polled by Galaxy last night too.
So that’s 2 polls in 2 weeks
Socialism in action:
Where are all the Chavez cheerleaders now?
The government that regulates everything destroys everything.
“The government that regulates everything destroys everything”
All this chaos in Venezuela is giving the Oil Price some support. They joint should go into complete meltdown shortly so I might go a bit long in Oil Search and Woodside shares soon.
Something about silver linings
“Where are all the Chavez cheerleaders now? ”
Living North of the Tweed River ?????????
“Why don’t we just have direct democracy?”
Because it might result in common sense prevailing………….
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36454060
“So why don’t we have one before we decide whether or not to go to war with another nation?”
Perhaps because Al Qaeda and ISIS are not “nations” but represent “clear and present dangers”.
Sounds like a movie………..
Sounds like a movie………..
Originally a novel … made into a film …
And to correct you again … Iraq is a country, so is Afghanistan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea … I can assure you, I wasn’t asked if I was interested in going to war in 1970 …
Your link to the Griffith Uni survey is paywalled BTW … but for anyone interested I have a copy of the article and will link it and comment later today …
Seems most of us are busy at the moment … 🙂
This link will get you to the Australian article about the Griffith University study.
Chuckle …
(GU – Centre for Governance and Public Policy
GU – Federalism, Regionalism and Devolution
GU – ‘Scrutineers’ examines marriage equality and the 2016 Federal Election (youtube)
AEC – What are referendums and plebiscites?
Anthony Green – Plebiscite or Referendum – What’s the Difference
AME – Why Australian Marriage Equality opposes a plebiscite on marriage equality (pdf))
So the so called fake tradie is a real tradie but the ALP used actors to play tradies!
Bill Shorten admits he’s been to a strip club “but left when I realised what it was”.
These things happen all the time. Bill was most probably hungry and wanted a pie so was looking for a pie shop. The entrances to a pie shop and a strip club are awfully similar so it is an understandable mistake.
Thanks M …
… unfortunately for us plebs the Australian puts a paywall up to the link … so here’s the article in full … (wally’s original extract is in bold – mine) …
What’s significant is that 52.4% of those surveyed said they had little or no trust in government … the survey also highlighted the following …
This demonstrates that the majority of those surveyed believed that a plebiscite actually determined the “decision” – when in fact it STILL has to be changed by parliament … given the disproportionately high number of religiously oriented representatives in Parliament, that decision may well give those with little trust in government more cause to feel that way!
There IS a possibility that politicians (particularly on the RIGHT) may vote NO in parliament as opposed to a YES from the plebiscite (a very strong probable outcome) …
John Howard changed the Marriage Act overnight … all it needs is to be changed back … overnight … the same way …
… and save the nation $180 million … we do have a problem with spending still – don’t we?
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/27/1085461876842.html
If a plebiscite is so “useful” why don’t we have them on the following issues too:
► Concealing Personal Investments in The Cayman Islands, Virgin Islands, Ireland etc
► Transparency of Government Actions At All Times
(ie Boat Turnbacks when bleeding obvious influence in an election)
► Voluntary Euthanasia
► NBN
► Multi-national Tax
► Negative Gearing
► Trust Funds
► Super Tax for Rich
► Pollie’s Perqs and Conditions
► Ex-Pollies Perqs
Intelligent discussion … GMAB!
So the so called fake tradie is a real tradie but the ALP used actors to play tradies!
So I hear … not too many “tradies”, I know, wear watches and wrist chains – especially in a hiviz and in what looks like a workplace – even you should know that ToM …
Works as a metal fabricator and in real estate apparently … and a bloke who’s worked with him – a tiler – said he’s OK … I, for one, am trying to am wondering what a metal fabricator – in the metal trades – has to do with a tiler in the construction industry?
Is he “still” a tradie or was he a tradie … I guess the whole truth will pop out eventually …
Either way, the ad is pretty awful …
Bill Shorten admits he’s been to a strip club “but left when I realised what it was”.
Haven’t you?
“Those who have worked with McLachlan say he is a plain-speaking dealmaker.
“He’s streetwise and there’s mongrel in him when there needs to be. That’s how he got ahead,” said one football industry executive. “He’s just very smart, he sees the big picture immediately and he’s been groomed for this for a long time.”
“This demonstrates that the majority of those surveyed believed that a plebiscite actually determined the “decision” ……..”
Really……………..where does it say that ?
or it could say…………………
This demonstrates that the majority of those surveyed believed that a plebiscite actually unequivocably “directed” to politicians the Will of the People and for them to act accordingly
Perhaps you meant to say that
“……..he sees the big picture immediately……..”
Mmmmmmmmm……………..”immediately ” ?
Didn’t the “joke” occur on Radio last week ?
MORE OUTRAGE……………!
‘Building a road is not like buying a handbag’, NSW minister tells MP
Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/06/21/18/33/building-a-road-is-not-like-buying-a-handbag-nsw-minister-tells-mp#8EP64RLSSYywW3sq.99
Of course buying a handbag is more complex.
Elini Petinos MP looks like she could be our second female premier…………………
The first one…………
The second one………….
New South Wales car number plate…………”The Hot Premier State”
Victoria’s entry
Queensland’s entry………
Queensland’s second attempt………
WA’s entry…………..
fakeTradie looks like the biz-owner to me, gold `bling` on both wrists shows he doesn`t do the `yakka`
Tasmania’s entry……………….now this is more like it……..
Then the Federal ALP gave us this……………..
Ooooops………………..I meant this
Ooooops………………..I meant this
Perhaps you meant to say that
NO! I meant to say … exactly this “This demonstrates that the majority of those surveyed believed that a plebiscite actually determined the “decision” ……..”
I meant to say … not the article … not the survey … and certainly not what you think I should say …
And …
Once again your attempt at childish football humour only reinforces a display of misogyny and sexism that highlights your disdain for women …
Sadly, that’s probably the reason that any new female contributors we have had here leave quickly … thank goodness, KL, is made of sterner stuff than you …
l enjoy the fact that blubbers is linking images from this teabag-site (-:
,,,,,The Boston Tea party was a peopleâs uprising against the abuse of government power against its citizens in 1773,,,,,,
,,,,,Their motto was: `NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION,,,,,
,,,,,And while this was part of American history the sentiment is universal,,,,,
http://austeaparty.com.au/web/about-us/
,,,,,We have borrowed and modified this saying to reflect citizens frustration with government engorgement and our apparent powerlessness to reduce or even restrict it,,,,,
,,,,,NO TAXATION WITHOUT REAL REPRESENTATION,,,,,
# ,, had they all been a tad smarter, they all would of included,
# ,, NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION as well
“Once again your attempt at childish football humour only reinforces a display of misogyny and sexism that highlights your disdain for women … ”
Actually I think he has better teeth than the average Yorkshireman/Queenslander.
Just because the the CATHOLIC CHURCH hasn’t changed in 2000 years doesn’t mean we can’t …
http://www.corybernardi.com/orwellian_influence_in_public_discourse
And wally just argues my case …
WALLY – Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate
Because you haven’t in a DECADE! That’s why!
“Because you haven’t in a DECADE! That’s why!”
LOL
not sure what point teebz was making with the link to sweet-cory
(helps to include a small quote)
,,,,,The Boston Tea party was a peopleâs uprising against the abuse of government power against its citizens in 1773,,,,,,
,,,,,Their motto was: `NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION,,,,,
That is what they say. However i think the Americans wanted to leave. When people want to do something they can always find some way to justify their actions.
wally … not yer friend … u can’t even get that right!
tbagz … do I care wot you try to think? Are you wally’s nephew?
As for kneel … its now completely mad …
on reportland they had your `firemen` `volunteers` onion-panic, they didn`t say what the `original` fight was between them, but the good news is they`re all going to take it out on blib (-:
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“wally … not yer friend … u can’t even get that right”
I WILL SLEEP WELL
ROFLMAO
How far back into your family ancestry does is a glass jaw your most prominent feature ?
Hey “Mr All Muddled Up”…….. said the geriatric nurse ?
Media has told us for decades “if you win #EdenMonaro, you win the election.” So this is the poll shock of #AusVotes
I think it is good for Australia if the ALP wins the next election. If Turnbull wins he will just drag the country further left and then the ALP will get back in anyway.
Best for Australia if the ALP gets back in and they destroy the country and then people will wake up and never vote for the ALP again.
One interesting point is that Howard/Costello took govt debt from 18% of GDP to zero. Well guess what, thanks to the ALP, TB, WAlrus, Reb, Splatterbum, AO we are now back to govt debt at 18% of GDP and exploding.
Another State of Orange Series Win!
GO MAROONS
I meant to say …
QUEENSLANDER!
Whose got a glass jaw then …
All the girls in BLUE scarpering south over the Tweed …
Eden Monaro maybe the tip of the iceberg too!
Nah, more likely eden-monaro will end its reign as the bell weather, great predictor, l can`t see where blib is going to secure 21+ seats myself, the graphic is nice to stimulate the team-cheerer, but no poll details.
Penny Wong 2016…………
“A plebiscite designed to deny me and many other Australians a marriage certificate will instead license hate speech to those who need little encouragement,”
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/not-one-straight-politician-knows-what-its-like-penny-wongs-deeply-personal-plebiscite-anguish-20160621-gpogvz.html#ixzz4CM68a5Kk
But wait a minute…………….
Penny Wong 2010………..
“On the issue of marriage, I think the reality is there is a cultural, religious and historical view around that which we have to respect.”
http://m.smh.com.au/federal-election/brown-horrified-at-wongs-antigay-marriage-stance-20100726-10rwj.html
What a lying Leftist mongrel she is……………!
“……….more likely eden-monaro will end its reign as the bell weather……..”
Agreed…….but look at the Lefties circle jerk in joy.
What they dont realise is the Seat has been extensively redrawn
I gotta say Elon Musk has always raised a suspicion for moi……………..
http://www.smh.com.au/business/innovation/tesla-chief-elon-musks-bid-for-solarcity-full-of-problems-20160622-gppqny.html
(Newz: ‘Not one straight politician knows what it’s like’: Penny Wong’s plebiscite anguish
Context: Penny Wong Speech – 28th Annual Lionel Murphy Memorial Lecture
Argument(s) to discuss/contest: liberal democracy, discrimination, hate, hate speech
What a lying Leftist mongrel she is……………!
…Strawman/Cherrypicking…)
(What they dont realise is the Seat has been extensively redrawn
I hadn’t realised that, ’tis true; Federal Election Preview – New South Wales:
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(I see there is a rumour going around that the Coalition will sell Medicare. The crazy thing about this idea is that who would buy it?
Good question…
…dunno.)
Good question…
Indeed … “Labor are lying” … doesn’t stand scrutiny … the “never, ever” statement came after … the beancounters were instructed to “look” at ways to “improve” Medicare and were found out … dropped the idea and then called out Labor for “lying” … change the rules call a foul “after” being “caught out” …
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“I’ve never seen, and nor do I see, a proposal to potentially privatise the payments system as … a way to privatise Medicare,” ………….”The evidence just doesn’t stack up………
“We also understand how important Medicare is to voters and that’s why it’s such a potent claim from the Labor Party but the AMA will always call governments to account, they will call oppositions to account.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-22/election-2016-medicare-ama-bill-shorten/7531978
Must be a NSW approach to life too …
PHIL Gould has had enough of the NSW Blues culture.
The former Origin coach slammed the downed Blues after their series loss on Wednesday night, labelling Laurie Daley’s side as “selfish”.
“It’s as frustrating as hell,” the Channel Nine commentator said during the post match show.
“Over a period I’ve said I’ve been astonished by the selfishness around this camp and this team and the leadership group and I don’t think it’s allowed the team to evolve and have its own culture and chemistry.
“It’s always been about a few individuals and not about the state and the team and it’s no good sugar-coating the bitter pill. Until that element is removed from it, NSW can’t get over the line against this side.”
NSW spends too much time trying to annoy, gouge, push down, lay on, niggle, knee, elbow and hurt the other team’s players that they just don’t score any points – they quite literally drop the ball constantly … and just gain a reputation for being bad sportsmen and lacking professionalism …
Then of course they blame the referees …
(“The AMA is the strongest voice in the medical profession and it needs to and will continue to speak out but it must be utterly impartial,” he says. “I have a proven record of making the case for the profession and the priorities I bring are to ensure the health system provides universal access to high quality services that are affordable and that there is an appropriate balance between public and private systems,” he said.)
the beancounters were instructed to “look” at ways to “improve” Medicare and were found out … dropped the idea and then called out Labor for “lying”
No. There was some discussion on outsourcing the payments system which Labor turned into selling Medicare.
Who would buy it? There is no money to be made in medical things. All Labor has done is stop the payments system being more efficient and saving some money.
The deceit of Labor suits TB of Queensland because he is as deceitful as Labor. Like attracts like.
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“The AMA is the strongest voice in the medical profession and it needs to and will continue to speak out but it must be utterly impartial,” he says.
Says the bloke who reckons the AMA was too lefty … and boasts of his relationship with the Liberal Party …
Never believe in coincidence in business … (that obviously includes politicised health and medical associations) …
TB
Just admit you were wrong.
the,,,,,Seat has been extensively redrawn,,,,,#correct ,,,,,#and some time ago on TV, one of the talking-heads reckoned there had been `demographic-change` in eden-monaro too, and seemed to indicate there was `enough` demographic change to alter its `status` even without the `redraw` aspect, l can`t remember if they reckoned one way or the other which `team` it would end-up favoring, as the discussion was on their `bell-weather` status
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/opinion-sorry-scott-morrison-but-youll-never-be-able-to-relate-to-a-gay-persons-experience/news-story/cefa1b66fc1d69d2fb36158d4ab2c2eb
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egg, yer a Dimwit … did you go to school? Or just grow up in the forest in Poland?
Imagine what will happen with a plebiscite on Gay Marriage …
Running scared? … I think so …
Good to see you support hate preachers and their supporters.
The question is did she provide a letter to support a hate preacher ?
Answer : Yes
And you are OK with that…………………………….Like WOW !
Here is your hero on the Charlie Hebdo massacre………………
“If you want to enjoy ‘freedom of speech’ with no limits, expect others to exercise ‘freedom of action’……………”
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25931274/junaid-thorne-backs-charlie-hebdo-killing/
ALY: Oh well I think it’s all a bit bizarre that a government that has supported my program, has supported a non-government organisation that I more than just a little something to do with, I was the founding chair of that organisation, a government that has in parliament, there in Hansard, applauded the work that I do, their minister applauding the work that I do, a government where I have worked with backbencher and frontbencher, MP, on the work that I do, and that suddenly now at the pointy end of an election the minister for justice turns around and tried this pretty despicable smear campaign. I think it debases the whole election and I think it debases his role as the minister.
Get out of your cocoon and read … and you wonder why NSW loses all the time … check above!
When it comes to the imbecile-herd that loiters way too much at Limited-News blogs, tonights `working` example is provided with thanks, by tinfoil`osy.
tinfoil`osy,,,,,Anyone who believes democracy is the best system of organising society must surely agree a plebiscite is more democratic than a vote in parliament,,,,,
# ,, this type of simple statement that easily impresses simple folk, that regurgitate simply their simplest style of thinking and showing how easily they are out-witted. They are told by blot, ipa, teabags or catlick church `a-plebiscite`, so that is what they obediently regurgitate, even tho, what it really is `a-non-binding-plebiscite`.
# ,, the trouble is `a-non-binding-plebiscite` merely makes the simple folk like tinfoil`osy a `useful-idiot` for the cause of, letting politicians off the hook from doing their job (in the first instance), bonfire-ing 150-$200-million taxpayer, and ultimately won`t decide anything.
# ,, Remember dummies, `non-binding` not only leaves the door open for teabags to disobey the `public-will` if the teabags don`t like the result. lt also leaves the door open to the `other-side` to disobey the `public-will` and insist the politicians `do-their-job-anyway`.
blib is being gutted on reportland tonight
… blib is being gutted on reportland tonight …
Gee plain packaging really had an effect your bias dial … wait for the sugar tax!
I haven’t watched any TV for 2 weeks.
I can’t take it anymore….
“Get out of your cocoon and read … and you wonder why NSW loses all the time … check above!”
You compare supporting terrorists to a football game ?
Like WOW.
What a fucking idiot you are !
there seems to be quite a bit of rage radiating out of bananaland now`a`days, seems everybody gets a fatwa for `anything` they say (-:
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no tv-news-media for 2-weeks huh reb, don`t worry, missing out on all that `mis-information` won`t hurt you one bit (-:
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/159f792557e9087c4b2af1202e3b223d
You compare supporting terrorists to a football game ?
Actually no … I was comparing you and your modus operandi as a commentator here …
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there seems to be quite a bit of rage radiating out of bananaland now`a`days, seems everybody gets a fatwa for `anything` they say (-:
Write bullshit aimed at me and get a reply … shimples …
If you read very carefully … the comments you object too are reactive … quite happy to discuss issues without the foul language, hyperbole, personal attacks and mind reading … but I won’t sit around and be abused … I’ve never backed down to bullying …
“………there seems to be quite a bit of rage radiating out of bananaland now`a`days, seems everybody gets a fatwa for `anything` they say (-: …….”
I think its because his “humour meter” is quite low these days.
Did anyone manage to watch Bilby get absolutely sliced and diced by Leigh Sales last night ?
He ended up like the Knight from Monty Python
I had a small bet on Brexit “Leave” earlier this morning at odds of $7.80. Sportsbet have now shortened “Leave” in to $2,51.
Wow !
Last time I looked on the SMH Live Blog it was going “Remain”
CNN – with just 8 out of 382 booths counted: Remain 46.9%; Leave 53.1%.
Ben Simmons – son of ex Melbourne Tigers US-import Dave Simmons and Australian mother – just went No 1 in NBA draft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Simmons
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The share market is realising Leave is a big chance. The banks are being hammered and the GBP is down over 3% against USD.
All Ordinaries down 2.4%.
Sportsbet: Remain $2.38; Leave $1.58.
(At these odds I can back Remain too so I can’t lose, no matter the result. I might see if Remain drifts even more)
Sportsbet now $1.85 each. (Those are pretty poor odds for a two horse race. Flip of a coin is $2.)
“All Ordinaries down 2.4%”
I’m disappointed it’s not by more ……………..:)
You’re buying, apparently. (Now down “only” 0.7%)
“You’re buying, apparently.”
LOL………..I wish I could move the market thus…………
Greenwich burough is apparently seen as the bellwether for London overall. Whatever its result it usually only differs to London (which is tipped overall as a “Remain”) as a whole by 1 to 2% apparently….per the BBC
NAB got down to $24.57 at one stage.
I think for important changes the vote needs to be in big favour. Something like 70:30 or 60:40. If it is 50.1 vs 49.9 for or against i think the status quo should apply.
That’s the trouble with democracy, Neil: majority rules.
You’ve really got to admire the Australian spirit for having a punt on something that could spell economic doom.
Dog bless Straya…!
This is nice…
http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
Here’s a Brexit game
http://bl.ocks.org/tophtucker/raw/d161169c785ac1eeec01c92f89bd0ecd/
My goodness
The toffs in Seven Oaks have voted to Leave
Just backed Remain at $6.75, so whatever happens I’ll have a nice win.
Oi, Oi, Oi!
Fun game, Walrus. Apparently I have no clue about British geography.
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“Apparently I have no clue about British geography.”
Having been there around 6 times I’m pretty useless as well.
If only they named their Boroughs after the local pubs I’d be a world beater
Some lessons for Aus perhaps….
“What drove us together is now driving us apart. A lot of the promised benefits of globalisation are not flowing through,” Mr Denton said.
“Citizens are asking ‘what’s in it for me?’ and they can’t see the benefits. There’s an expectation that trickle down economics was going to work — well the citizens reject that now.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-24/rba-briefs-government-and-opposition-on-implications-of-brexit/7540820
“Citizens are asking ‘what’s in it for me?’ and they can’t see the benefits. There’s an expectation that trickle down economics was going to work — well the citizens reject that now.”
I don’t know why “trickle down” is even mentioned when the EU is one of the most anti-competive organisations on the planet.
And that’s why the London financiial luvvies embraced it
You shouldn’t assume John Denton is giving some kind impartial advice to the ABC.
‘Appointed as an Officer of the Order of Australia (AO) in 2015 by the Governor-General in his capacity as Chancellor of the Order of Australia. He was recognised in 2015 “for his distinguished service to business and commerce, particularly in the legal profession, to the visual and performing arts sectors, to social welfare and the rights of refugees”.
‘He is recognised as one of the best labour law practitioners in the Asia Pacific by Asialaw Leading Lawyers Survey and one of Australia’s best government and trade lawyers in the Best Lawyers peer survey.’
http://www.corrs.com.au/people/john-w-h-denton/
l`m backing the `aldi-effect`. Aldi has kicked the shit out of Sainsbury on FMCG`s, which tells me the uk has a high level of junk-job citizens (who are missing out on ye-olde economic trickle benefits), if all the junk-jobbers vote, it`s `exit`, if junk-jobbers stay home, `remain` will win.
# ,, my bet `exit`
This is nice…
I like that sreb … should be more of it …
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Fkn CFMEU … hey?
http://www.news.com.au/finance/markets/australian-markets/pr-queen-roxy-jacenkos-husband-oliver-curtis-sentenced-to-two-years-in-jail/news-story/fc8b47fb82b647639e9eca5c4737e26c
ASX200 off by 160 points.
Excellent………..might dip my toe in a teeny bit
UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage conceded defeat 2 hours ago.
Now claims victory
Boris for PM !
“Nigel Farage conceded defeat 2 hours ago.”
Don’t think so.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Anyone still “brave” enough to back Remain can get $16 at the moment.
That’s strange ToSY as the SMH quotes him as below. OK its not a full blown concession but pretty close
“It’s been an extraordinary referendum campaign, turnout looks to be exceptionally high and looks like Remain will edge it,…….”UKIP and I are going nowhere and the party will only continue to grow stronger in the future.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/brexit-poll-live-the-uk-votes-in-eu-referendum-20160623-gpqo5d.html#ixzz4CSrY7jh4
Is a Leave vote xenophobic? Racist? Islamophobic? Homophobic? Misogynist? Or all of the above? Or something else altogether?
It’s all so confusing.
LOL………..Birmingham of all places has voted to leave.
Must be a bit of an anti-immigation push from its heavily immigrant population.
A bit of an “I got here first” sentiment
“looks like Remain will edge it”
Fair enough. Probably playing the underdog like they all tend to do.
More importantly, ITV is calling it for Leave. It’s over!
“It’s all so confusing”.
I don’t know either.
But it will keep Twitter in a state of perpetual outrage into the next millenia
Do they call that Brexting?
“More importantly, ITV is calling it for Leave. It’s over!”
Yep
It’s time for the Fat Lady.
Oh……….how deeply misogynist of me
Now that’ll upset the the perennially cranky one from north of the Tweed
Sportsbet hasn’t paid out yet. They’re offering $34 for Remain, and there’s no betting on Leave.
Make that $51.
Haha. The lefties on CNN are completely confused about what went wrong tonight. “Journalist” Christine Amanpour just called Farage xenophobic, amongst other things.
It’s starting.
“The lefties on CNN are completely confused about what went wrong tonight. …..”
What did the Lefties expect……………a Stalinist re-run………………?
“The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” – Josef Stalin
All Ords 180 down … people are really fkn stupid … either way it’ll be back up by the end of next week …
Oh … now its 170 … (8-)
CNN “journalist” Richard Quest: “Nobody can say they weren’t warned about the consequences of a Leave vote. George Soros, the World bank, the Prime Minister all warned us. Yet, the British people have spoken.”
“either way it’ll be back up by the end of next week …”
Most likely. Hope so. Traders would have had a great day today if they were on their toes. You could have bought and sold the same stock several times if you got your timing right. Not to mention currencies.
Looks like all of Scotland are Remain … most of Ireland … the big swing is in England and Wales …
Looks like a big boo-boo for David Cameron … closet socialist … BOO!
Amanpour: “Nigel Farage forced this referendum on David Cameron.”
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Dow futures down 3.45%, almost exactly matching our All Ordinaries.
ha-ha tinfoil`osy ,,,,,odds of $7.80. Sportsbet,,,,, that looks like a sweet`n shrewd bet on the `coin-flip` as you said. Well done. Hope it works out for`ya. (-: (-: (-:
Freedom triumphs – long live the Anglosphere!
And down with Unionland:
Its very close … but looks like a Leave decision … going to be interesting to watch what transpires in the next few months …
Trickle down economics … mmmm … seems to be a lot of disgruntled “receivers” …
(Well called too ToSY!) ~(;-)
Down with anyone who sounds as arrogant and easy with his fists as Mr Purcell describes …
Link would be nice …
Given our close ties with the UK I dont expect we’ll get invited to Eurovision next year.
The final counting areas are in All 382 have been counted. Final numbers: Remain 48.11%; Leave 51.89%.
“Brexit spreads across Europe: Italy, France, Holland and Denmark ALL call for referendums”
Given our close ties with the UK I dont expect we’ll get invited to Eurovision next year.
There are benefits then …
Hate to say it, but it is nigh on inevitable. The Progressive Elites who are immovable in their positions, and who are on a “Holier Than Thou” green rampage will come to rue the day. It is only a matter of time. Where do they think wealth is born? It only comes from productive enterprise, and they are leeches of the first order, and a drag on productivity. God help us.