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June 16, 2016

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I’ve been ruminating lately with the idea that the world is in a state of complete and utter chaos and it’s only going to get worse.

For those of us who don’t go home from a hard day’s work and then stay glued to episodes of “The Farmer wants a shag,” “The Bachelorette” or the latest reality cooking show, the writing’s fairly clearly on the wall.

For the first time in modern history, today’s emerging generation of twenty somethings will be worse off than generations that have gone before.   In Australia,   home ownership is a thing of the past with today’s young workers relegated to the very real prospect of renting forever, unless they have access to a hand up from their parents.

Jobs growth is also lacklustre.   University graduates find there just isn’t the jobs out there that they’ve studied for and find themselves stocking supermarket shelves or working in IGA for $2 an hour.

Europe is a basket case.  With record youth unemployment sitting at 50% in some areas and showing no signs of improving and the entire region a living teeming tinderbox of social unrest, resentment towards immigrants and a resurgence in far right political movements.

China is also languishing with development slowing as the govt realises it can’t afford to build ghost cities that no one wants or can afford to live in.  And while the US has seen some recovery since the GFC it’s hard to see any significant improvement.

Back home interest rates are at record lows (hardly a sign of a strong economy), and now the spectre of deflation suggests that people are simply prepared to hold off on the next big purchase with the prevailing sentiment being that prices will fall further.

The housing sector is cooling with those individuals who mortgaged themselves to the hilt in a low interest rate environment now perfectly positioned to suffer financial ruin when interest rates inevitably rise again.

When this transpires we will see (once again) scores of people with negative equity in their homes forced to service mortgages they can’t afford for a property that’s diminishing in value.  And the entire Ponzi scheme has been promoted, aided and abetted by the banks, govts, real estate agents and property developers who all profit from keeping real estate values high.

When it does transpire, and it’s only a matter of time, the shit is really going to hit the fan.

 

 

 

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  1. June 16, 2016 4:02 pm

    Jobs,,,,,growth is also lacklustre. University graduates find there just isn`t the jobs out there that they`ve studied for and find themselves stocking supermarket shelves,,,,,,

    # ,, Ya`got a link to that reb, making claims like that without a link could be considered `elder-abuse` (-:

    build,,,,,ghost cities that no one wants or can afford to live in,,,,,

    # ,, we don`t have to look at china to see this problem reb, in the last few months l saw the same thing said about boltsville, lots of empty office tower space and lots of empty tower apartments, (and my guess, jonestown probably won`t be far behind) l forget which doco/news it was on, I`ll drop the link if l can remember.

  2. June 16, 2016 4:11 pm

    either france24 or al-jazeerah earlier today,

    The first of the `orlando` victims will be buried today, the westboro-teabags are going to turn-up

  3. June 16, 2016 4:20 pm

    Nah. lt`s just that l`ve said something `you` happen to `agree` with

  4. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2016 4:27 pm

    “University graduates find there just isn’t the jobs out there that they’ve studied for…..”

    Maybe they were just never there in the first place.

    Perhaps the entry score for Arts Degrees should be so high almost no one qualifies. And if they really want to do it charge them a fucking fortune. That should get there attention as to whether they are likely to find a job.

    Since we need Engineers, Doctors, Nurses, perhaps charge a lot less but keep the entry scores quite high for QA purposes.

    For IT the same.

    No more accountants please. The more there are the less the existing ones can charge.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 5:38 pm

    Jobs growth is also lacklustre.

    Don’t worry! Milkum’s on the job(s and growth) …

    And before ToM, Grammar Polizei arrive … I think you meant …

    … teeming …

    (“”””the entire region a living teaming tinderbox of social unrest”””””)

    And in conclusion the ASX got walloped yesterday … so did all the retirees’ super! (Coupled with extremely low interest rates) no one seems to be safe!

    Oh! Wait some are the Vacuum People … 50% of the wealth … One Percenters!

    Nothing changes, nothing is new!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Once again, sreb, spot on analysis … bleak but true …

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 5:38 pm

    “When it does transpire, and it’s only a matter of time, the shit is really going to hit the fan.”

    Pretty doom and gloom there, reb. The government has too large an incentive to let too much shit hit the fan.

    “Europe is a basket case. With record youth unemployment sitting at 50% in some areas..”

    Just think of it as a UI experiment. All they need to do is to up the dole a bit.

    In fact it is the more socialist/protectionist countries who have the highest youth unemployment. But don’t worry Australian politicians on both sides are trying to catch up as quickly as possible.

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 5:42 pm

    “Oh! Wait some are the Vacuum People … 50% of the wealth … One Percenters!”

    Ah yes – I see. Let’s take all their money and redistribute it. That will solve all our problems!

  8. June 16, 2016 6:09 pm

    “I think you meant …
    … teeming …

    Thank queues, fixed…!

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 6:14 pm

    Thank queues, fixed…!

    Ya big dick! Oh! What did I say! 😉

    Let’s take all their money and redistribute it.

    Great idea! That’s how ECONOMIES work … 101 … sorry 01 …

    Rip to $$$ out and no-one can spend anything … except the 1% Centers … on Ferraris!

    That helps the butcher the baker the condom maker, hey/

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2016 6:14 pm

    Rip to many $$$

  11. June 16, 2016 6:17 pm

    “Milkum’s on the job(s and growth) …

    yes, touting the typical tory mantra, as if somehow “jobs and growth” is the answer to everything.

    Meanwhile the it seems like the entire system of capitalism is being brought to its knees.

    This endless pursuit of jobs and growth is seen as the panacea to the world’s woes when in fact it’s exactly destroying the very planet.

    At some point we’re going to reach “peak jobs and growth” and when growth is stagnating despite record low interest rates (around the globe), a rapidly expanding gap between the rich and poor, mass unemployment, civil unrest and faith in the political system to fix these issues diminishing you have to wonder whether that point has arrived.

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 6:19 pm

    “Rip to too many $$$”

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2016 6:30 pm

    “Meanwhile the it seems like the entire system of capitalism is being brought to its knees.”

    That is certainly the goal of some. It won’t end well. No one has developed a better system.

  14. June 16, 2016 7:04 pm

    “”That is certainly the goal of some.””

    What an odd thing to say.

    I don’t think there are people “out to get capitalism” I think the system itself is fundamentally flawed in that perpetual growth is unsustainable.

  15. June 16, 2016 7:08 pm

    “”The government has too large an incentive to let too much shit hit the fan.””

    What, do you think the govt is going to bail out mum and dad investors who believed Joe Hockey’s diatribe when he said that there’s “never been a better time to borrow to invest” (in the low interest rate environment) when the shit hits the fan?

  16. June 16, 2016 7:13 pm

    “”Maybe they were just never there in the first place.””

    Agreed!

    Yet the “Liberal” so-called pathway to success is to study hard and then get a high paying job.

    Unfortunately, though, there are not enough jobs to go around for the number of qualified job seekers leaving university.

    So there’s a pool of talented ppl now competing for jobs at Woolies with people who have no tertiary qualifications whatsoever. What hope do they have?

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 9:38 pm

    I don’t think there are people “out to get capitalism” I think the system itself is fundamentally flawed in that perpetual growth is unsustainable.

    True enough reb, there are always those who will defend the rotting carcass of a system until their dying breath. They can’t even admit any failings, the belief is so strong that they can’t or won’t see that their magic pudding just doesn’t exist. Like finding out there is no santa clause.

    Unfortunately, though, there are not enough jobs to go around for the number of qualified job seekers leaving university.

    That’s when reality bites and they reach for drugs and alcohol to dull the senses.

    When it does transpire, and it’s only a matter of time, the shit is really going to hit the fan

    And it will, again. I just hope when it does we create a whole new system, that people refuse to fund the greed and avarice of the corporate cowboys and shysters. Surely it would be time to kill off the whole zombie system.

    What, do you think the govt is going to bail out mum and dad investors who believed Joe Hockey’s diatribe when he said that there’s “never been a better time to borrow to invest” (in the low interest rate environment) when the shit hits the fan?

    Of course not, we only bail out the big ‘players’ the ones that have grown obese on the money of others and are ‘too big to fail’.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2016 11:09 pm

    Glenn Stevens and his housing bubble legacy
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-13/verrender-glenn-stevens-and-his-housing-bubble-legacy/7504150

    …Saving to buy into the great Australian dream is now the exception rather than the rule. Sadly, it most likely will be this housing bubble, rather than his handling of the GFC, that will define Glenn Stevens’ legacy at the Reserve Bank…

    …But his strategy since 2012 of deliberately firing up an already dangerously inflated east coast housing bubble to soften the blow from the unwinding of the mining boom, has placed the banking system and the economy in harm’s way.

    In the process, the future wealth of generations of young Australians now will be determined by whether they inherit real estate from their parents. Saving to buy into the great Australian dream will be the exception rather than the rule.

    Until last year, Stevens refused point blank to curtail housing lending, arguing macro-prudential policies were ineffective. While his position has now changed, many argue it was too little, too late.

    Unfortunately, it most likely will be the housing bubble, rather than the financial crisis, that will define Glenn Stevens’ legacy…

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2016 8:10 am

    Who was the hopeless ALP tosses on RN this morning? Criticising Turnbull for ‘demonizing’ paid firemen?

    What a compete F**KWIT

    No amount of that pap/crap will change the fact that this is how affiliated unions achieve their goals with their puppet governments

  20. June 17, 2016 9:45 am

    ,,,,,,Once again, sreb, spot on analysis .. bleak but true,,,,,, #chuckle (-:

  21. June 17, 2016 10:04 am

    my-abc qanda-promo,,,,,,,,,,,,there`s never been a more exciting time for malcolm talkbull on qanda,,,,,,,,,,,,,,#ROFL

  22. June 17, 2016 10:17 am

    reb,,,,,competing for jobs at Woolies with people,,,,,,

    # ,, competing for jobs at Coles/Woolies with `check-out` machinery

    reb,,,,,Yet the `Liberal` so-called pathway to success,,,,,

    # ,, didn`t eleventy say daddy should buy`em their house

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:19 am

    Is a house a home, or an investment/asset?

    Is Australia now just an investment machine … lifeless and decaying …

    Education rooted

    Health Care buggered

    Sport fkd up

    Business raped

    Families destroyed

    Cause … Unkontrolled Uber Kapitalism

    The original design for Capitalism works … but the model has been over-modified so much that no-one can steer it anymore … and it is so overpowered that no-one can control it anymore … it will crash! Again! Soon!

    What happened to THE PANAMA PAPERS?

  24. June 17, 2016 10:24 am

    “Maybe they were just never there in the first place”

    Makes me wonder how training creates jobs, exactly?

    It is far better to create the kind of economic conditions that stimulate the economy and where additional jobs are the by-product. Training would be taken care of by supply and demand.

  25. June 17, 2016 10:29 am

    Uber Kapitalism = Driving your private car as a taxi.

  26. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:31 am

    Now this is pretty funny

    “The Australian Greens call on the Government to provide urgent mental health support to the Whyalla Community as part of any plan to assist in securing the future of the steel industry………….”My thoughts are with the 1100 steelworkers in Whyalla and 7000 across the country during this time of job insecurity. The Government needs to fight for this steelworks to continue operating to ensure Whyalla thrives into the future.”

    http://greens.org.au/news/sa/government-must-fight-whyalla%E2%80%99s-future-greens

    I suppose an electric furnace driven by renewables is what they are thinking …………..ROFLMAO.

    Just one problem with that…………………..hehehehehehehehehehe !

  27. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:35 am

    “Uber Kapitalism = Driving your private car as a taxi.”

    We’ve taken on Uber big time actually. Being up on the peninsula taxis barely come near the joint. Uber seems, in our experience to be largely driven (literally) by Uni students often driving one of the family’s cars.

    Good for them.

    Pity Duncan never considered that sort of thing………………..Oh that’s right he decided to become a crim instead.

  28. June 17, 2016 10:38 am

    Training,,,,,would be taken care of by supply and demand,,,,,

    # ,, that`s the old model tinfoil`osy. Business now lobbies incessantly for govt to train in all manner their employees (and-future-employees)

    # ,, Govt`s of both flavors at federal and state/s levels have been sucked into this nonsense, which will largely fail, as business need to invest in it`s `own` positions/jobs and `value` them.

  29. June 17, 2016 10:44 am

    “Pity Duncan never considered that sort of thing”

    To be fair to poor old sainted Dunc, it’s highly unlikely his car would meet Uber’s standards.

    (Uber is the only way to go. Unless the taxi industry changes its business model, they’ll go the way of photographic film.)

  30. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:50 am

    “………it’s highly unlikely his car would meet Uber’s standards.”

    He should have kept a little bit more of the $60,000 that TomR and his cohorts at GetUp donated.

    Obviously GetUp does not mean Get Off Your Arse

  31. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:51 am

    Just one problem with that…………………..hehehehehehehehehehe !

    Got this from Bolt

    http://www.minerals.org.au/news/earth_to_greens_no_coal_means_no_steel

    Some instances of hypocrisy are so truly audacious in scale, so blissfully ignorant of irony, so completely lacking in self-awareness that they simply take the breath away.

    A textbook example is the Greens’ support for the Arrium steelworks in Whyalla. To see the Greens supporting heavy industry (rather than deriding it as a big polluter) is a welcome development.

    The problem is that the Greens want to phase out the use of coal. And coal is a primary feedstock for the steelworks in Whyalla (as well as Bluescope’s Port Kembla plant).

    You cannot make steel in a blast furnace without coal. Australian steelworks use millions of tonnes of coal annually, all sourced from local collieries.

    Incidentally, you cannot make wind turbines without coal. In fact about 220 tonnes of coal (both metallurgical and thermal coal) are required to produce a wind turbine.

    The Greens need to explain how it is possible to shut down Australian coal mining and still make Australian steel. The only option would be to import coal from other producing nations.

  32. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:52 am

    “………it’s highly unlikely his car would meet Uber’s standards.”

    You mean it was more of a “getaway car standard” ?

  33. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:55 am

    Even Bolt actually misses the critical point

  34. June 17, 2016 10:58 am

    taxi,,,,,industry changes its business model,,,,,

    # ,, the first being state/s coughing-up and refunding hefty taxi-license-fees already paid ,, l wonder what the state/s will then turn to for `catch-up`revenue without taxi-license revenue????

  35. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:00 am

    Oh great…just what Sydney needs on a Friday.

    Some idiot having his own “Bridge Climb” experience.

    Obviously didn’t want to pay the $290 odd to do it the proper way

  36. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:02 am

    “l wonder what the state/s will then turn to for `catch-up`revenue without taxi-license revenue????”

    That’s bugger all in the scheme of things because the taxi industry fights like crazy against new plates being issued.

  37. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:04 am

    Even Bolt actually misses the critical point

    What is that?

    My knowledge of making steel is zero. But apparently to make steel you need coal. So by shutting down our second biggest export (coal) it will also destroy our biggest export (iron ore)

  38. June 17, 2016 11:13 am

    My,,,,,knowledge of making steel is zero,,,,,

    # ,, only of `making-steel` huh (-:

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:22 am

    Training,,,,,would be taken care of by supply and demand,,,,,

    # ,, that`s the old model tinfoil`osy. Business now lobbies incessantly for govt to train in all manner their employees (and-future-employees)

    tru dat, that’s the old apprenticeship model … one I still endorse BTW … but industry and trades abrogated their responsibility to train for said industry and trades (a couple of exceptions) to Apprentice Training Organisations … stupid – farming out young people to anyone who’ll have ’em! 17 weeks job release training does no-one any good … the apprentice is crammed with knowledge that isn’t applied on the job and the employer (if they have one) is without some of the labour …

    (“The good ol’ days” … five years apprenticeship, four at college, two nights a week (three hours each) and a day a fortnight – spread out over that period of time the new learning can be applied in the workshop … simples …)

    Still got my apprenticeship indenture hanging in my study (remember you roots)… a contract signed by my parents, my employer, the state government and moi …

    As for uni STEM is the way to go if you have high school kids … although my 14 yo g/daughter wants to be a paramedic …

    We will need more cops too!!!! (Note: In my opinion more dangerous than the ADF!)

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:24 am

  41. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:24 am

    Are there any furnaces powered by renewables anywhere ?

  42. June 17, 2016 11:27 am

    Obviously,,,,,didn`t want to pay the $290 odd to do it the proper way,,,,,

    # ,, oh FFS, `proper-way`, shit-loads of people climbed the fcuking thing BEFORE the GOUGING system was set-up, and the LAWS were introduced to ENSURE the fcuking GOUGE, it`s another example of taking-away from citizens

  43. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:28 am

    Oh I see so you can create a furnace to make steel without Coal …………………?

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:40 am

    Are there any furnaces powered by renewables anywhere ?

    Still not sure what you are talking about. You can get heat from renewables.

    My knowledge of steel is zero. But i think they are saying you need the carbon from coal to make steel

    It is heat+carbon from coal that makes steel.

  45. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:43 am

    “It is heat+carbon from coal that makes steel.”

    Exactly !

    Currently, unless TB has some chemical breakthrough he has yet to disclose, steel requires carbon.

    An electric furnace cannot make steel without Coal somewhere in the process.

    i.e. its more than just a fuel

  46. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:58 am

    Oh dear…………………

    Seems the ordinary British citizen is a lot smarter than their pollies think they are.

    Here comes Brexit

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-poll-most-brits-do-want-to-leave-one-week-to-go-before-eu-referendum-vote-a3273141.html

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:01 pm

    i.e. its more than just a fuel

    So Bolt got it right. You cannot make a steel windmill without coal.

  48. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:01 pm

    Gideon Skinner, head of political research at Ipsos MORI, said:

    “The Leave campaign is getting their messages across, especially on the key public concern on immigration.

    “But the Remain camp is finding it much harder to convince people that their core economic messages, both on the risks of Brexit and the benefits of staying, is going to have a personal impact on their lives.”

  49. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:03 pm

    “So Bolt got it right”

    Mmmmmm…….not quite IMHO.

    He left out the “chemistry” part of it and seemed to be fixated on the fuel bit

  50. June 17, 2016 12:13 pm

    God for the Brits they never adopted the €uro.

  51. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:26 pm

    “God for the Brits they never adopted the €uro.”

    Why are you mentioning “God” around here.

    Are you not aware of TB’s fatwa upon that word ?

  52. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:29 pm

    I remember being in the Republic of Ireland ( that’s the southern bit) in 1999 when it was still under the Irish Punt although artificially tethered to the Euro.

    Revisited in 2003 and could not believe how much prices had risen.

  53. June 17, 2016 12:32 pm

    much,,,,,harder to convince people that their core economic messages,,,,,

    # ,, that`s the trouble with basing party, politics, and policy on screaming `wolf` and `sky-is-falling` l suppose

  54. June 17, 2016 12:42 pm

    “Why are you mentioning “God” around here.”

    Christ only knows.

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:44 pm

    He left out the “chemistry” part of it and seemed to be fixated on the fuel bit

    Now yer cooking! Take ya pick!

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=electric+steel+furnace

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:47 pm

    Are you not aware of TB’s fatwa upon that word ?

    Still making stuff up about me, wally … I’m agnostic we don’t have fatwahs … or papal edicts … nor influenced by any of them …

  57. Thermal Meltdown permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:54 pm

    (But there is another alternative to the current paradigm of steel production. The real issue is about the public obsession with infinite growth. We need to think carefully about what we really need steel for.”)

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2016 12:56 pm

    TB

    Just make your point. Apparently coal is needed to make steel. It is not just the heat but the carbon from coal as well.

    Please sumarise the point you are trying to make from your links.

  59. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 1:21 pm

    “Generally, carbon is the most important commercial steel alloy. Increasing carbon content increases hardness and strength and improves hardenability. ”

    http://www.thefabricator.com/article/metalsmaterials/carbon-content-steel-classifications-and-alloy-steels

    Not that an article on Metallurgy matters much.

    I’m sure TB knows far more about Metallurgy than the author

  60. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 1:54 pm

    By the way Arc Furnaces work best with scrap metal

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2016 2:14 pm

    Yes, maybe there is something to be learnt here after all, it isn’t the heat produced by coal that is essential in steel production – it’s the carbon.

    DO GREENS EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT??

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2016 2:26 pm

    “policy on screaming `wolf` and `sky-is-falling` l suppose”

    You mean global warming?

  63. June 17, 2016 2:48 pm

    much,,,,,harder to convince people that their core economic messages,,,,

    No. l meant that.

    # ,, remain vigilant squirter, eventually you`ll catch bob-brown dumping taker-loads of battery-acid on the barrier-reef (-: (-: (-: (-:

  64. June 17, 2016 2:56 pm

    dumping,,,taNker-loads of battery-acid on the barrier-reef,,,,#correction

  65. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2016 3:21 pm

    “eventually you`ll catch bob-brown dumping tanker-loads of battery-acid on the barrier-reef”

    It wasn’t Bob. It was Sea Shepherd. Bob is only Chairman.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 4:21 pm

    I’m sure TB knows far more about Metallurgy than the author

    There ya go again … the little bit I know about metallurgy came from my high school metal work with an electric furnace ! Apprenticeship in the – wait – metal industry! And from being NS Supt @ a national reobar/steel mesh company … but I digress …

    Without double checking, the original statement(s) was/were – “you can’t make “steel” without coal”

    And as wally “discovered” – it should have been – you can’t make steel without carbon …

    Steel was originally produced using timber!

    http://www.worldsteel.org/steelstory/

    Someone was attempting “prove” that you need coal to provide the high temp … I simply called BS, nicely.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 4:28 pm

    By the way Arc Furnaces work best with scrap metal

    Yep …

    And a crucible is generally fused first with scrap for other application (eg pig or ore) … speeds up the melting process …

  68. June 17, 2016 4:35 pm

    Naughty sea-shepard. Tankers such as you should NOT be `dumping` diesel in 500-Litre increments (or-less) just to impress Limited-News keyboard monkeys.

  69. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2016 4:47 pm

    Steel was originally produced using timber!

    How practical is this? Sounds like the ALP does not like coal or steel. WE should make all buildings from something other than steel.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:24 pm

    WE should make all buildings from something other than steel.
    er, we do …

    Tell me, egg, do you know what nylon is made from …

  71. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:30 pm

    “Steel was originally produced using timber!”

    Thank God* for that “Little Black Rock” called Coal.

    Otherwise we’d have no forests left

    *Fatwa apparently now lifted by TB

  72. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:31 pm

    “……And as wally “discovered”…….”

    Yeah I discovered that in Science class approx. 40 years ago

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:43 pm

    *Fatwa apparently now lifted by TB

    Applied by wally! FFS! Desperate or what!

    Yeah I discovered that in Science class approx. 40 years ago

    And yet you promote the LIEberal BS!

    Are there any furnaces powered by renewables anywhere ?

    Actually I can’t find any (doesn’t mean I won’t) … but in 1960 I wouldn’t find any nuclear power either …

    Renewable energy is in its infancy, wally, and I suspect you know that …

    … and I also suspect that renewable energy is the future of power around the world … and that, more than anything else will change the world (along with education and knowledge) …

    In those third world countries you (and I) are so fond of!

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 5:44 pm

    Yeah I discovered that in Science class approx. 40 years ago

    And yet rubbished me … knowing my background … duh!

  75. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 6:03 pm

    Let the Facebook debate begin…………….Yaaaaaaaaawn

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 6:06 pm

    Well we agree on that, Wally! (actually quite a few things) …

    eg GO MAROONS!

    Enjoying my second Gentleman Jack ice and soda … to all, “Trashers”, “clink” … enjoy!

  77. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2016 6:29 pm

    I have a James Squire Pilsener or 3 to get me through the night. Plus a bottle of pinot noir.

    I must remember to pick up a case of Guinness tomorrow. It is now the season for it.

    Although the tall can with the widget in it does not come close to a pint poured somewhere in Dublin’s Temple Bar district.

  78. June 17, 2016 6:50 pm

    “”Although the tall can with the widget in it does not come close to a pint poured somewhere in Dublin’s Temple Bar district.””

    True, but it’s a pretty good substitute…

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 6:52 pm

    Although the tall can with the widget in it does not come close to a pint poured somewhere in Dublin’s Temple Bar district.

    Like I said … we agree on quite a few things!

    The widgets are better than the bottles though (and I’m not a can man!)

    “I’m sorry, surr, how can I help you!” (Every sentence began – “I’m sorry surr!”)

    Luv da Irish but … had a ball! Sang “I Believe” in a (big) pub … mem’ries!

  80. June 17, 2016 7:04 pm

    “I’m sorry surr!”

    And here I was thinking it was only the Canadians who apologised all the time…. 🙂

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2016 7:14 pm

    Like I said … we agree on quite a few things!

    Too funny, lefties agreeing with lefties.

    Fact is you cannot make steel without coal. Coal is our second biggest export and iron ore is our biggest.

    Give me islamic radicals any day. The Greens and ALP do more damage to Australia than radical Islam does.

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2016 8:53 pm

    Fact is you cannot make steel without coal. Coal is our second biggest export and iron ore is our biggest.

    Yeah, t’s so big that they are giving the stuff away at record low prices. That’s the way to do it, dig up even more of the stuff and sell it dirt cheap! Nice

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2016 8:59 pm

    They’ve all got the shits real bad because of their own irrelevance to the australian people.
    They demand to be interfering in our lives and bedrooms and creating all kinds of crazy fear & smear campaigns where they hold us to ransom through their ideology.
    Go for it you nutters I say, knock yourselves out!

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2016 9:01 pm

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 9:07 pm

    LOL!

    IF FRIDAY night’s live Leaders’ Debate is anything to go by, opposition leader Bill Shorten will be our next Prime Minister.

    news.com.au!

    Sense of Humour Gauge

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2016 9:09 pm

    And here I was thinking it was only the Canadians who apologised all the time….:)

    Certainly not the Tories! 😀

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2016 9:20 pm

    PNG court clear to consider detainee compensation:
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/programmes/datelinepacific/audio/201804052/png-court-clear-to-consider-detainee-compensation

    Transcript
    The Supreme Court in Papua New Guinea has cleared the road for it to consider awarding compensation to asylum seekers in the Manus Island detention centre.
    The court has allowed two cases involving the centre to be joined: the Namah case, that found the centre was unlawful, and the Lomai case, which could also result in Australia being ordered to take custody of the detainees.
    Ben Robinson-Drawbridge asked the lawyer Ben Lomai when might the court decide on the compensation issue.
    BEN LOMAI: Probably by the end of the month or anytime there after because on the 16th we are going there to try and resolve those disputed facts. If we can resolve some of those disputed facts in light of the Namah decision then we will apply for a substanding order, we only ask for two substanding orders one is to release all the asylum seekers back to the first port of entry. Second is to have their compensation paid to them. But the other consequences would be in terms of like getting the commonwealth to rejoin or the problems of enforcing the order, they’ve got to be a party to enforce the order. As I understand the supreme court in the Namah case have already involved them. That’s why one of the orders was for the Australian government and for Papua New Guinea’s government to make sure that they prevent a continuation breach of personal liberty of the asylum seekers. That’s what exactly happened when they opened the centre, so as to prevent the continuation of such breaches…

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2016 10:13 pm

    Pork barrelling and the hoax of ‘every vote counts’
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-17/cassidy-pork-barrelling-and-the-hoax-of-'every-vote-counts'/7519082

    Less than 30 seats are genuinely up for grabs in this election and already we can see the funding promises being targeted there. Is it any wonder so many people are disenfranchised? Barrie Cassidy writes.

    Malcolm Turnbull said on Thursday he wants everybody to treat their vote on July 2 as if that is the vote that will decide the election.

    Nice line. Nice hoax.

    The fact is fewer than 20 per cent of the population will cast a vote that really matters. The other 80 per cent live in electorates where the result is pre-ordained, and the major parties know it.

    Of the 150 seats in the house of representatives, 30 seats at a stretch are genuinely in play.

    That our system effectively disenfranchises so many people is disappointing. But it’s truly risible that those few who do live in the marginal seats get not only all the attention, but all the pork barrelling as well…

    …But despite all that, the Prime Minister’s words are not totally wasted. When he says treat your vote as if it will decide the election, absolutely do so – in the Senate! Because at least in the contest for seats in that chamber the power of every vote is equal.

    You can argue that the smallest states getting equal numbers of senators to the biggest states is hardly democratic either. But again that’s the system we have. At least in the senate contest every vote genuinely counts, no matter where you live…

  89. June 17, 2016 10:44 pm

    my-abc,,,,,The fact is fewer than 20 per cent of the population will cast a vote that really matters. The other 80 per cent live in electorates where the result is pre-ordained, and the major parties know it.

    Of the 150 seats in the house of representatives, 30 seats at a stretch are genuinely in play,,,,,

    # ,, oh barrie, stop repeating my comments, nobody is listening

  90. June 17, 2016 11:03 pm

    They`ve,,,,,all got the shits real bad because of their own irrelevance to the australian people,,,,,#and they`re all looking shit-scared since britain started shooting theirs!

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2016 11:54 pm

    #and they`re all looking shit-scared since britain started shooting theirs!

    And they should be, they have to have some responsibility when they go about drumming up fear and hatred, dividing the country. The crosby/textor campaign manual is based on such fear & smear tactics. They can’t pretend innocence when someone who is not quite right in the head gets obsessed by the spoon fed hate and does something really tragic.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 9:01 am

    And they should be, they have to have some responsibility when they go about drumming up fear and hatred, dividing the country.

    Not exactly, Jo Cox, who served for just 13 months and by all accounts before (significant) and after her murder (let’s call it what it is) she served Batley well. (I was born about 15K from there).

    Murder or assassination can never be justified … never …

    I’m surprised that no-one has had a pot shot at Trump tho’ … but then its usually the RWNJs that go for that …

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2016 9:45 am

    No doubt someone will complain about this, but really, what possible reason is there to object?

    The government has announced it will ban “corrupting benefits” being paid between employers and unions, and allow courts to disqualify union leaders to crack down on unlawful conduct.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/17/government-wants-to-give-courts-power-to-disqualify-union-leaders

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:39 am

    Does this remind you of anyone on the current campaign trail?

    “He that uses too many words for explaining any subject, doth, like the cuttlefish, hide himself for the most part in his own ink.” John Ray

    No wonder MALfunction rooted (an in joke for techies) the NBN …

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:42 am

    No doubt someone will complain about this, but really, what possible reason is there to object?

    You’ve really got it bad ToM … Unions BOO!

    And the Big Business Liberal Party is really running scared … more and more trivia each day …

    … whatever happened to …

    JOBS & GROWTH!

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:46 am

    “…The government has announced it will ban “corrupting benefits” being paid between employers and unions, and allow courts to disqualify union leaders to crack down on unlawful conduct…”

    Don’t we already have existing legislation and agencies in place to deal with that kind of behaviour?

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:52 am

    Another flip flopper in two paragraphs …

    The new head of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry says the adversarial workplace relations system no longer works and cries of “Work Choices” whenever a change is proposed are holding the country back.

    But he has pledged to work collaboratively with the trade union movement in a bid to boost Australia’s flagging productivity, saying the country must pull itself out of its competitive slump.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/31/adversarial-industrial-relations-model-doesnt-work-says-business-chief

    the ACCI and its affiliates around the country have been the worst advocates for industrial relations for decades … they actually train members in adversarial approaches to IR!

    And this …

    Turnbull vows to stop ‘excessive’ pay rises for construction workers

    What about excessive banks profits, shonky financial advice, insurance company rip offs, wages rorts …

    Hypocrisy writ large … wipe out the unions and what have you got … higher bank profits, Gina paying $2 an hour – all business paying $2 an hour – if at all! A country in economic shambles … just like the NBN only …

    Hypocrisy writ LARGE!

    jobs and growth my arse … closer to …

    SLAVES & PROFITS!

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:58 am

    Don’t we already have existing legislation and agencies in place to deal with that kind of behaviour?

    Of course we do, KL … fraud and corruption are criminal offences … and if its “unlawful conduct” its —– “unlawful” …

    On a side note I notice how the LibNits adverts are now becoming snarky as are the comments from certain Liberal pollies …

    And odd that Cash’s annoying voice/”accent” hasn’t been mentioned by anyone … after The Mad Abbott’s supporters crucified, Julia Gillard …

  99. June 18, 2016 11:06 am

    TB,,,,,Murder or assassination can never be justified,,,,,

    # ,, flip-flop. You argued the exact opposite when l pointed-out the `murder-by-drone` upon iraqi citizens teebz (-:

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2016 11:10 am

    No wonder MALfunction rooted (an in joke for techies) the NBN …

    No he didn’t I am not a Turnbull fan but FTTP would be too expensive and never be finished. After 5 years only 100K people were connected in 2013. Only 12M premises to go.

    You only support NBN because it is ALP policy and do not care about Australia.

  101. June 18, 2016 11:29 am

    You,,,,only `dislike-fiber` because it is ALP policy and do not care about Australia,,,,,#imbecile

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2016 11:54 am

    https://newmatilda.com/2016/06/16/parakeelia-privacy-and-the-need-for-a-federal-anti-corruption-body/

    “…You only support NBN because it is ALP policy and do not care about Australia…”

    You only support dud 2nd rate broadband because it’s Lib policy and do not care about what is best for all Australia. You just rattle off whatever malcolm and his team say without any thought whatsoever. The Libs know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2016 12:04 pm

    You only support dud 2nd rate broadband because it’s Lib policy and do not care about what is best for all Australia.

    The Libs had a policy for Australia in 2007. WE are now stuck with the NBN. A govt company will always be slower and more expensive than private enterprise.

    I cannot find the Coalitions policy for cities but for country areas Howard signed contracts for OPEL/Optis to give broadband for regional area but Conroy broke signed contracts.

    http://www.techworld.com.au/article/395910/opel_would_serving_bush_broadband_today_turnbull/

    Federal opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has used his National Press Club address to argue the decision to scrap the Howard government’s OPEL network for an NBN has denied the bush broadband services over the past three years.

    Turnbull gave familiar arguments against the NBN saying the network is too costly, won’t result in more affordable broadband services and will stifle competition.

    “For the 1.5 million or so Australians in remote or sparsely settled areas, the coalition and Labor technology approaches are very similar – fixed wireless and satellite,” he said.

    “It is no accident the technologies to be deployed by the NBN are the same as those which would have been used by OPEL. And, had that scheme not been cancelled by Labor in 2008 would today be providing fast broadband to Australians in those areas.”

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 12:07 pm

    Mining magnate Gina Rinehart has also waded into the debate, saying Australian politicians don’t “have the guts” to tackle government spending or cut government red tape.

    “India has the guts to do what it’s doing to cut at least federal red tape, with the consequent immense benefits to its people, driving investment, jobs, economic growth and living standards – why can’t Australia?” she said.

    Shows being the richest Aussie don’t make you the smartest, hey!

    India[edit]

    India has certain rules for safe usage of Asbestos products such as IS11769 Part 1, Part 2 & Part 3 as well as IS 12089 which states that Pictorial Warnings needs to be implemented at the Workplace, there is unfortunate no enforcing of the rules or the said standards. Hence Asbestos usage is prevalent without following these basic safety rules. On 21 January 2011, the Indian supreme court refused to ban asbestos in India. This judgment was passed down for case filed by an NGO in 2004. In spite of the health hazards, asbestos is widely used in India without any restriction.[19] Activists in India and abroad have tried to persuade the governments of Canada and Quebec to stop asbestos mining in Quebec since it is banned there. The Canadian government has repeatedly blocked asbestos being listed as a hazardous chemical by the UN even though it spends massive amounts of money to remove it from Canadian homes and offices.[20] While India recognizes it as a hazardous substance and has banned asbestos mining and its waste trade, it keeps its price low through patronage.[20]

    Hey, Gina! That’s why!

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 12:15 pm

    # ,, flip-flop. You argued the exact opposite when l pointed-out the `murder-by-drone` upon iraqi citizens teebz (-:

    Not related … ISIS and Taliban and Al-Qaeda are fair game … and if a drone saves one Diggers life I’m all for it!

    Personally I’ve NEVER believed in political wars (especially civil wars) fought for the USA in ANY foreign country … I wonder why?

    Stopping Iraq and its invasion of Kuwait … different kettle of fish …

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2016 12:52 pm

    And odd that Cash’s annoying voice/”accent” hasn’t been mentioned by anyone …

    I don’t listen to her… and I hadn’t noticed that she had become PM,

  107. June 18, 2016 12:58 pm

    FMD teebz, talk about ,,,,Not related,,,,,

    Stopping,,,,Iraq and its invasion of Kuwait,,,,#hint-1991-NO-drones

    and,,,,,ISIS and Taliban and Al-Qaeda,,,,,#wmd didn`t have anything to do with iraq(2003)

    # ,, Until WE invaded and destroyed iraq(2003) and mass-murdered their citizens to help LOOT their oil

    #flip.flop (-: you`re going a little bit teabag there, trying to rewrite `facts` and `history` teebz (-:

  108. June 18, 2016 1:56 pm

    on my abc `planet-america`, l just saw their interview with `ronald-reagan-junior` (son-of-former-prez) ,, recommend-IVIEW ,, teabags won`t enjoy ,, reagan-jr gives the repugs a pretty good spanking

    ,,,,george-w is a war criminal and should be in jail,,,,

    ,,,,repugs oppose obama just to hurt him politically, even tho they know it would be good for their country,,,,,

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 4:17 pm

    The Australian government has defended its media blackout inside detention centres. The Coalition’s campaign spokesman, Mathias Cormann, this week said preventing access was part of “operational discipline” and suggested it prevented sharing intelligence information with people smugglers. He declined to give further explanation.

    1940?

    Stopping,,,,Iraq and its invasion of Kuwait,,,,#hint-1991-NO-drones

    and,,,,,ISIS and Taliban and Al-Qaeda,,,,,#wmd didn`t have anything to do with iraq(2003)

    # ,, Until WE invaded and destroyed iraq(2003) and mass-murdered their citizens to help LOOT their oil

    yer prattling again …

    ISIS and Taliban and Al-Qaeda exist … NOW!

    I agreed with the defence of Kuwait against Iraq …

    … not the later invasion of Iraq (GW 2) nor any other US invasion of sovereign soil earlier … eg to fight a civil war against Communists … let the fuckers fight it out themselves!

    And we all know that GWI and GWII were over oil and Afghanistan was supposedly about 9/11 (I have no idea why – it seems from my research it was a Saudi funded op) …

    BUT if a drone will save the lives of Aussie troops … I’m all for ’em … shimples?

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2016 6:02 pm

    1940?

    I think you may find that is standard policy. This is what happened under Rudd/Gillard. The link is dated March 2013

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/official-barred-from-visits-to-nauru-manus-island-20130304-2fh2g.html

    The federal government’s top legal adviser has told Australian Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs she cannot visit Nauru and Manus Island to assess and act on complaints from asylum seekers about conditions on the islands.

    This is despite the centres being set up with Australian money and at Australia’s behest.

    Legal advice from the Solicitor-General, sent to Professor Triggs’ office late last week, argued she did not have the jurisdictional power on Manus Island and Nauru to hear the complaints of people kept in offshore processing centres.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 6:34 pm

    I think you may find that is standard policy. This is what happened under Rudd/Gillard. The link is dated March 2013

    AND ITS WRONG!

    AND STILL IS!

    OPERATIONAL SECRECY IS WRONG!

    We live in a democracy … not a Stalinist State!

    I might also remind you that YOUR elected government has been in power for the last three years … criticise them …

  112. June 18, 2016 6:41 pm

    you`re meandering all over the shop teebz, first,

    BUT,,,,if a drone will save the lives of Aussie troops,,,,

    # ,, l think you`ll find most (possibly-all) drones have been nowhere near adf-troops, they`re mainly used, say, EG to follow `taxi-drivers` home and blast them, plus a few dozen other `random` citizens to kingdom-come, not a `fighter` among`em (in most cases)

    ,

    getting back to the original comment,

    TB,,,,,Murder or assassination can never be justified,,,,,

    BAGZ# ,, flip-flop. You argued the exact opposite when l pointed-out the (mass)`murder-by-drone`(2003) upon iraqi citizens teebz (-:

    # ,, just as tinfoil`osy cannot distinguish between criticism of, the taxpayer-bludging catlick pedo-institution, and, what his family/friends do in the privacy of their own bedroom with their sky-fairy ,, ,, you can`t seem to distinguish criticism of the politicians and the top of the adf`n spooks that should be blamed IMO, and, the poor fcuking plebs sent into the quagmire that are blameless IMO

    # ,, however, it is unsurprising that govts of teh-west, after saturating the public with fear-mongering and hate-speak for 15-years, eventually over-stimulate and over-agitate citizens until somebody does something drastic and there is blow-back

    # ,, didn`t you notice how agitated `our` very own herd of fascists were, and how hard they stampeded across this blog when `duncan` asked a question????

    AO,,,,,they have to have some responsibility when they go about drumming up fear and hatred, dividing the country,,,,,

    # ,, armchair got it in one!!

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 6:43 pm

    Even Mordoch now recognises that the ALP FTTP (FTTH if you prefer) is superior!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/heres-the-experience-of-four-different-aussies-on-four-different-nbn-technologies/news-story/d61affce22221d3d47e32507332c5639

    This amused me …

    “To give you an example, to download an episode of a TV show … it would probably take four to six hours in Southbank,” she said. “Now it takes probably 15 minutes. It flies.”

    And no, egg, I won’t explain why … just a waste of my time …

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 6:45 pm

    I don’t listen to her… and I hadn’t noticed that she had become PM,

    Don’t be Fuckwit© all yer life ToM … you know exactly what I mean … unless you really are a dill ? That would bother me a bit … only a bit …

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 6:51 pm

    tbagz prattle … neelworld … two on one blog astounding!

    BTW ToM … I’m impressed … I don’t listen to her … neither do I … as Employment Minister she’s an abject failure … employment is about employees not businesses …

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 6:52 pm

    tbagz – what bullshit

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2016 7:17 pm

    Even Mordoch now recognises that the ALP FTTP (FTTH if you prefer) is superior!

    That is not the point. A Rolls Royce is superior to a Kingswood but who can afford one. How long would FTTP take to build and how much would it cost? From your link

    Ms Chamberlin said after initially having to go to the ombudsman to expedite the installation process “because it was taking three weeks to dig a trench out the font of our house” during which there was no internet connection at all, the network performance has been great.

    How many trenches would have to be dug around Australia to get FTTP? And with a govt company building it they may bankrupt the country. And i don’t believe the download times the lady talks about. I am on NBN-FTTN and download times are very fast. But so were download times when i had ADSL

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2016 7:36 pm

    That is not the point. A Rolls Royce is superior to a Kingswood but who can afford one. How long would FTTP take to build and how much would it cost? From your link

    That’s all bunkum and lib party propaganda, we’re talking about a national investment for now and the future. You’re plain stupid if you think we’re not going to depend on hi-speed fibre for our future techno needs.

    The party of innovation who spent their time destroying a national investment which would have taken us forward and carried into our children’s future needs. What boneheads!

    A progressive party to vote for

    https://www.australianprogressives.org.au/

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2016 8:54 pm

    AO

    Please list your expertise in broadband? I suspect is is around about zero.

    You only support NBN-FTTP because it is ALP policy. If it was Coalition policy you would be against it.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2016 9:26 pm

    Please list your expertise in broadband? I suspect is is around about zero.

    Much more insightful than your usual nonsense …

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:08 pm

    The French resistance that could take down a government:
    http://www.solidarity.net.au/highlights/the-french-resistance-that-could-take-down-a-government/

    vive la revolution!

    “Do it once, do it right, do it with fibre”

    https://www.internet.org.au/docs/media/451-18-april-2016-news-release-internet-australia-issues-a-revised-nbn-policy-calls-for-a-strategic-rethink-and-an-end-to-copper/file

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:20 pm

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:28 pm

    AO

    Your internet link said this

    Making the call for a bipartisan NBN rethink, CEO Laurie Patton observed: “In 2007 a government was elected that undertook to build a modern broadband network delivering cable all the way to more than 90 percent of the nation’s premises

    Laurie Patton is a liar. gee I wonder if he votes for the ALP?

    Rudd in 2007 promised a NBN FTTN costing $4.7B and be finished by 2013.

    It never happened.

    ALP 2007 solemn election promise which fooled all of Australia

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2016 10:51 pm

    You only support NBN-FTTP because it is ALP policy. If it was Coalition policy you would be against it.

    Fkn liar neil, don’t tell me what and why I support anything, as if you would have a clue, you would be the last to know.

    i support the ALP NBN, even their latest revised one, because it is better for the nation, it is a nation building, progressive, forward thinking infrastructure which will benefit future generations to come. It is evidence based, best practice, you know the sciencey stuff that a cretin like you can’t relate to.

    The liberal party is going to leave future generations of australians worse off in every way possible, economically, environmentally and technological, they are bereft of any decency or duty of care, they are economic and environmental vandals.

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2016 11:23 pm

    “Death To Traitors, Freedom For Britain”

    That is a political statement from a terrorist.

    …Are those who idolise ambitious grey men, who “tell it like it is” by lying, ready to listen to this man, now? Are you ready to hear this foreign, leftie poofter tell it to you like it is? 
    Or are you going to stick your fingers in your ears and scream DON’T POLITICISE THIS DEATH? It was not just a “death”. It was a murder. The murder of a female politician, with strong views, by a man who wanted to silence her. An act of terror in the realest sense. 
    Just about the most disrespectful thing we could do, is erase this murdered woman’s on-record, hard-fought politics from her life. If they don’t suit your agenda, tough. That is a good reason for you to reexamine your agenda; not for everyone else to shut up, because it makes you feel bad. 
    Politicians talk with nauseating frequency about “listening to people’s feelings”. Well, here are mine. Listen to them. 
    In my twenty-six years in this country, I have never felt more foreign, less welcome, more marginalised, or less safe. I am not alone. Hundreds of migrants I speak to feel this way. I spend every minute of every day trying to justify my existence, against a wall of blind hatred. It is that hatred that killed Jo Cox. And we all must look into our conscience and answer the question: “Have I contributed”?..
     

    https://www.byline.com/column/11/article/1109

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2016 3:34 pm

    The Labor party has seized on revelations the Coalition received Treasury advice months ago that said wealthy people were the biggest beneficiaries of negative gearing, but continued to campaign on the issue as bringing benefit to average Australians.

    According to a report from ABC News, the Coalition was provided with modelling from Treasury which showed the top 20% of incomes in Australia shared more than half of the negative gearing tax benefits, and the lowest quintile received just 5.2%.

    The redacted document, obtained under freedom of information laws, found capital gains tax discounts also benefited high-income earners. It said the top 10% of earners accounted for about 75% of the savings.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/18/labor-seizes-on-treasury-advice-that-wealthy-get-most-from-negative-gearing

    More MALfunction TurnAbbott lies …

    And more … when does the truth become a lie … when the Lieberal party ditches the plan … because it was the truth … duh!

    Malcolm Turnbull has ditched the idea of outsourcing the Medicare payments system to head off an intensifying Labor attack claiming his government will privatise Medicare itself.

    But the ALP has seized on new details of a Productivity Commission inquiry into competition for a range of government services, commissioned by the treasurer, Scott Morrison, to back its claim and pronounce the election a “referendum on Medicare.”

    “Medicare will never ever be privatised,” Turnbull said on Sunday after the Labor leader made the defence of Medicare the centrepiece of his official campaign launch. “It will never ever be sold. Every element of Medicare services that is being delivered by government today, will be delivered by government in the future. Full stop. That is the fact. What Bill Shorten is doing, is peddling an extraordinary lie, so audacious, it defies belief.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/19/election-2016-malcolm-turnbull-drops-medicare-payment-plan-after-labors-privatisation-attack

    Ya can’t make the truth a lie by changing the facts that were true originally- later!

    TurnAbbott, comments here too, I reckon …

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2016 3:43 pm

    From, KLs, comment above … “”””@Shorten_Suite @latikambourke parakeelia funding LNP with Australian taxes”””””

    In my electorate and the next, there is Liberal placards everywhere … and I’ve seen less than a dozen Labor … yep a dozen!

    No Labor placards in my street (and its a bloody long street!) but Libs everywhere …

    I just don’t get it (I live in a marginal too) …

  128. June 19, 2016 4:49 pm

    No,,,,,Labor placards in my street,,,,,

    # ,, no surprise here, the `team` are still paying for knifing kevin07`n jooLiar, l reckon. Teabag signs have been stuck-up in `main-street` business`s l`ve traveled thu for weeks now, and it should be noted, some of`em had kevin07 signs back in the day. l can`t say l`ve noticed any7 signs in the residential areas tho, now or before.

    # ,, the `team` won`t make it, and it seems their `own` polling is showing-it at this stage, they will really need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to drag blib`s hated arse over the line.

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2016 5:55 pm

    … to drag blib`s hated arse over the line.

    Do you live in Oz … ?

    Just askin’ …

  130. June 19, 2016 5:57 pm

    According,,,,,to a report from ABC News, the Coalition was provided with modeling from Treasury which showed the top 20% of incomes in Australia shared more than half of the negative gearing tax benefits, and the lowest quintile received just 5.2%,,,,,,

    # ,, so the teabags are running with something that makes the rich richer, and has a by-product of making the poor poorer, really, is anybody `surprised` by this?????

    # ,, post election prediction, if the teabags can get it passed the senate, we will be lumped with the 15%(or-more)gst

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2016 5:59 pm

    Parakeelia: The inner workings of the Liberals’ funding rort
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/06/18/parakeelia-the-inner-workings-the-liberals-funding-rort/14661720003388

    …Perhaps the most outrageous aspect of the affair, though, is the evidence that the Liberal Party was double dipping on the taxpayer – not only funnelling money through Parakeelia to itself, but also using public servants to train members in how to use the system.

    According to reports in the Fairfax papers, backed by leaked emails, parliamentary staff employed by something called the Coalition Advisory Service, recently rebadged as the Members and Senators Support Unit, were simultaneously working for Parakeelia. Thus the Liberal-owned company’s staff costs were apparently shifted onto the taxpayer.

    “It clearly is fraudulent because those people are supposed to be ministerial advisers and instead they are seconded to another office where basically they do political stuff,” Jensen says…

    …But legality is not the same as morality.

    When the Liberal Party says it complies with electoral law, it is very much like when Google says it complies with tax law.

    It means they have exploited another loophole.

    And 13 years after Ron Walker assured the journalists at Fairfax that he had quit all associations with the Liberal Party, 11 years after he told shareholders the same thing and nine years after David Marr was assured the “oversight” would be fixed in a matter of days, Walker remains the major shareholder in Parakeelia.

    In an email to The Saturday Paper on Thursday, the party assured us again: “Appropriate arrangements to transfer this shareholding will be made in due course.”

    Just as in due course the Liberal Party will reform Australia’s corrupted donation laws…

  132. June 19, 2016 6:05 pm

    ditched,,,,,the idea of outsourcing the Medicare payments system,,,,,

    # ,, this too is bullshit, talkbull will of course `white-ant` any of the `public-services` which he pass thru the senate

    # ,, it will join `jobactive` and `gulag` contractors at the treasury-taxpayer-trough, who will then provide laundered `donations` back to `both` teams #yaaaay.taxpayer.funded.corruption

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2016 6:06 pm

    … really, is anybody `surprised` by this?????

    Well, not me! But others obviously are …

    … and I want to know why information from the TREASURY is REDACTED!

    Do all these religious nuts learn to lie, cheat and deceive in church … or is it that the whole concept of religion is a deception so it attracts like minded people?

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2016 6:11 pm

    Just as in due course the Liberal Party will reform Australia’s corrupted donation laws…

    DUE FKN COURSE! I’m so sick of being treated like a fkn moron by the Liberal Party in particular and politicians in general!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    # ,, this too is bullshit, talkbull will of course `white-ant` any of the `public-services` which he pass thru the senate

    So why keep supporting TurnAbbott? (eg … to drag blib`s hated arse over the line.)

    Hated by whom? You ? If so … why?

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2016 6:16 pm

    AND! For the LIEberals

    1. No mention of:

    ► Negative Gearing Welfare

    ► Trust Fund Welfare

    ► Super Tax Breaks for the Rich Welfare

    ► Multi-national Tax Dodge Welfare – Emphasising the PANAMA PAPERS

    ► Present Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare

    ► Post Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare

    ► Pollies International Travel Wastefulness

    ► Liberal Party Economic Incompetence

    ► Reduction or Stopping Private School Funding for Any Future Cases of Paedophilia

    ► PARAKEELIA (NEW)

    ► Gay marriage plebiscite wastefulness ($160 – 180 million)

    ► $9.4 billion Lodge wastefulness

    Should TurnAbbott emigrate to the Cayman Islands and invest in Australia?

  136. June 19, 2016 6:19 pm

    Thus,,,,,the Liberal-owned company’s staff costs were apparently shifted onto the taxpayer,,,,,

    # ,, yet using a `free`mates-ute in his local area was `meant` to be `corruption`

    # ,, corruption so bad apparently, that fake emails needed to be concocted

    # ,, oh yes, return of the rabbit-govt with the new `no-judgment` hood-ornament is going to be a lot of fun

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2016 6:19 pm

    …I just don’t get it (I live in a marginal too) …

    I think there’s huge $ pouring into the Libs from business. They havebeen running scams on the taxpayer. Everything business donates to them is a tax deduction and they’ve even managed to have their every party expense funded by the taxpayer.

    Especially heinous since they spend all their time talking down any intrusions upon the public purse. Now we find they’ve been bleeding the taxpayer’s dry for decades!. Let’s not start on the pollie ‘entitlements’ and their entitlement to fleece us as for everything they can and more.

    Hate to think how much government funding has gone into the pockets of the backers, should we start with rupert’s $880 million?

    There’s never been a more exciting time to have the keys to the treasury coffers what?

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2016 6:43 pm

    There’s never been a more exciting time to have the keys to the treasury coffers what?

    KL, coffers? Treasury REDACTIONS!!! Unspeakable! Who owns the fkn country? TurnAbbott and SloMo? & COMPANIES?

  139. June 19, 2016 6:48 pm

    seems that `team-cheering` has set-in a little in bananaland, trouble distinguishing the NON-aligned can see blue-crap-leaders `and` red-crap-leaders

  140. June 19, 2016 7:07 pm

    plib looks as sick as a dog tonight, l reckon she`ll get the boot

  141. June 19, 2016 8:55 pm

    my-abc,,,,,,But there also is something else at work. When the Greens were included in the same list of issues in February last year, the `don`t knows` dropped significantly, often below 30 per cent. In other words, “don’t know” in many cases in the recent surveys was a surrogate for `,`neither of the above`,`.,,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-17/steketee-trust-me,-we-find-it-very-hard-to-believe-our-leaders/7519178

    # ,, maybe this hasn`t reached Limited-News bananaland editions yet (-:

  142. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 19, 2016 8:58 pm

    ► Liberal Party Economic Incompetence

    It was the ALP who abolished the Pacific Solution resulting in 50,000 boat people costing us $15B-$20B to house. Apparently there are still 30,000 of these people in the system costing us billions more.

    That cost most probably equals the revenue measures you have listed.

    And by the way why didn’t the ALP enforce your list? They had the numbers to pass anything through parliament.

  143. June 19, 2016 9:00 pm

    my-abc,,,,,,,As more and more voters cast around for alternatives, the Liberal and Labor parties have come up with a cunning plan. They are exchanging preferences between themselves rather than doing deals with the Greens or other smaller parties and independents. This may work in the short term to stop the Greens and Nick Xenophon’s Team from winning some lower house seats. But it has a downside.

    It looks like the major parties ganging up not only against smaller groups but against voters. Xenophon`s description of it as a cartel may well resonate. Voters have the choice of not following the parties’ how-to-vote cards and there are increasing signs that they are doing so,,,,,,

    # ,, there looks like there could be a political `aldi`(s) appearing to rattle the political-woolie-coles ,, what a shame

  144. June 19, 2016 9:07 pm

    smh,,,,,Greens leader Richard Di Natale has challenged Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten to include him in the next leaders debate, claiming the rising “Green tide” is causing panic in Labor and Liberal ranks.

    Under soft green lighting at the Greens national conference in Melbourne on Saturday morning, Dr Di Natale told the party faithful the establishment was running scared.

    Comparing the old parties to the Coles and Woolworths duopoly, who “shut out the little guy” and stifle their competitors, he said excluding the Greens from last night’s televised leaders debate was a sign they were a growing threat,,,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/the-green-tide-is-coming-in-di-natale-challenges-turnbull-shorten-to-leaders-debate-20160514-gov4j7.html

    # ,, Guffaw

    # ,, Coles`n Woolies must `really` fcuking hate election-time now-a`days. All the negative-press they now cop, after successfully dodging most of it for 3-years.

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2016 9:09 pm

    tbagz waffle … this may well work, could be, might, looks like, there could be, increasing signs, may well resonate …

  146. June 19, 2016 9:36 pm

    ls it `waffle` because,

    1.you disagree with it

    2.can`t counter it

    3.don`t have the nads to make your own predictions like boo-melb

  147. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 19, 2016 11:47 pm

  148. June 20, 2016 1:37 am

    tweet,,,,,#faketradie installing a #fakeNBN,,,,,

    # ,, ha-ha, l only saw the ad once and already twitter is reading my thoughts, maybe fakeTradie should stop working for the fakeIntellectual

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2016 5:54 am

    Well look at what happens when you elect Labor

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/queensland-eight-times-more-in-the-red-since-bjelke/news-story/bc66b53801445507efa4b2320e4fc195

    Total public debt in Queensland is eight times the levels of 30 years ago.

    New economic analysis shows that, since 1986, the size of debt as a proportion of Queensland’s economic output, gross state product, has jumped from 4 per cent to more than 33 per cent, and rising.

    The figures come after the Palaszczuk government last week delivered its second budget, raiding a public servant’s superannuation fund to pay $2 billion off its borrowings.

    You know when govts start raiding Super funds the govt is in trouble.

    Has then ever been a ALP govt that has not trashed the budget? ALP are nothing but economic vandals.

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 20, 2016 10:00 am

    queensland-eight-times-more-in-the-red-since-bjelke?

    Do you know how meaningless that is neil?

    Qld has eight times less official corruption since bjelke
    My hair is eight times shorter since bjelke

    Live exports and offshore detention: the lie that diminishes us all
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/live-exports-and-offshore-detention-the-lie-that-diminishes-us-all-20160617-gpl9gf.html#ixzz4C4RC7lOH

    …There’s talk of making it an offence to film the treatment of Australian animals overseas, just as it is now an offence for health workers to report what they’ve witnessed happening to human beings on Manus Island and Nauru.
    The link is that if these things are happening offshore (even to those for whom we have responsibility) we can kid ourselves we are true to our values at home, all the more so if the details are kept from us.
    It’s why the United States tortures its captives offshore, in secret locations.
    Except that it doesn’t work. Cognitive dissonance is a technical term for the mental stress we experience when we know that we are doing something wrong.
    Showing around Australia right now is Chasing Asylum, a movie made using hidden cameras in our offshore detention centres. For me the most chilling part is the interview with the former prison officer who says the people he locked up in Australia weren’t that badly off. They knew when they would be released.
    Neither of our main political parties wants to stop shipping people and animals overseas. But the Greens and others do. We are able to make choices in the fortnight ahead, or we are able to turn our backs and tell ourselves it isn’t happening here…

    Turnbull’s voice is not holding up, he’ll be croaking on qanda.

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2016 10:01 am

    I’d be quite happy with a few Xenophon supporters holding the balance of power

    Far more rational and stable than Greens or Windsor, Oakshott etc.

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2016 10:21 am

    i support the ALP NBN, even their latest revised one, because it is better for the nation, it is a nation building, progressive, forward thinking infrastructure which will benefit future generations to come.

    Any idea how much FTTP would cost? Did you read TB’s link. The people who had FTTP had no internet access for 3 weeks because they had to build a trench along the street. That would have to occur with every house in Australia who wants FTTP.

    If you had to pay $500/month for Labors FTTP you would have a different opinion.

    Do you know how meaningless that is neil?

    Not meaningless at all. It means govt debt in Qld was 4% of GDP when Bjelke lost govt and was at 32% of GDP when Labor finished trashing the state. Qld now has $80B of debt. By comparison in NSW govt debt is close to zero.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2016 10:55 am

    ls it `waffle` because,

    1.you disagree with it “”””” NO need to, its waffle – meaningless conjecture “””””

    2.can`t counter it “”””” WHAT’S to counter – its meaningless waffle … even the polls are too close top call …

    3.don`t have the nads to make your own predictions like boo-melb “”””” ToM is famous for meaningless waffle and conjecture before the event … haven’t set yourself a very high standard”””””

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Bullshit, noll, … no internet access for 3 weeks because they had to build a trench along the street. That would have to occur with every house in Australia who wants FTTP.

    ALL the services are already underground in my street … cable to my home and there are plenty more … other streets in the country are underground too … so not “every house” …

    Those that have to have trenches dug would have ADSL available …

    Shrill nonsense …

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2016 11:12 am

    TB

    Most people do not have cable to their homes i would suspect. Apparently Turnbull as Communications Minister arranged to have cables already in use for Pay TV or something like that to be used in their multi-mix technology. But most streets would have to be dug up for FTTP to be installed

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/heres-the-experience-of-four-different-aussies-on-four-different-nbn-technologies/news-story/d61affce22221d3d47e32507332c5639

    Ms Chamberlin said after initially having to go to the ombudsman to expedite the installation process “because it was taking three weeks to dig a trench out the font of our house” during which there was no internet connection at all, the network performance has been great.

    “To give you an example, to download an episode of a TV show … it would probably take four to six hours in Southbank,” she said. “Now it takes probably 15 minutes. It flies.”

    And the big advantage is you can download TV shows faster. But i suspect FTTN would be just fine.

    And nobody knows how much FTTP would cost. If people had to pay $500/month for FTTP their opinions would change

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2016 11:22 am

    Honestly TB, I have to reply –
    • #######
    • ^^^^^^^^^^
    • “””””””””””””””””””
    • ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    • @@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    So there you have it, please just include some random and nonsensical words

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2016 12:22 pm

    LOL! I knew you’d reply! LOL!

    Clever too … ~(8-)

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2016 3:39 pm

    C’mon Julie! Substitute Julie Bishop (or anyone’s name for that matter) for Caroline Wilson and it is offensive … ’tis you who has missed the context entirely!

    Eddie McGuire’s disparaging comments about journalist Caroline Wilson should be put in context, and commentary around the issue needs to be more robust, deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop says.

    The Collingwood president and broadcaster has publicly apologised for controversial on-air comments the AFL deemed disparaging and inappropriate, after saying he would pay $50,000 to see Wilson stay under a pool of iced water, before going on to describe Wilson as “like a black widow” spider.

    “If we’re going to take offence at every silly, offhand remark or attempt at humour, then we’re not focusing on the really important issues of the day,” Ms Bishop told reporters in Sydney on Monday.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/put-mcguire-comments-in-context-bishop/news-story/81174c18d33c997fd5705dedaa2810d0

    Insensitive? Especially for a Foreign Minister …

  158. June 20, 2016 4:12 pm

    Where is he. Pom-poms just don`t take `that` long to repair. Where is my team-cheerer. Drag him out from under his bed. Remaining in the fetal-position that long `is` unhealthy. (-:

  159. June 20, 2016 4:14 pm

    onions! ,, panic! ,, boo! (-:

  160. June 20, 2016 4:23 pm

    Insensitive?,,,,,Especially for a Foreign Minister,,,,,

    # ,, Nah, l agree with jooLie on this one. Fcuk Limited-News trolls playing the `hurt-card` for themselves, yet lead the `hate-charge` on nonsense like `duncan`, Let the imbecile-herd wallow in their own filth.

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 20, 2016 4:42 pm

    “…C’mon Julie! Substitute Julie Bishop (or anyone’s name for that matter) for Caroline Wilson and it is offensive … ’tis you who has missed the context ..”

    They make it sound as if Eddie made a proper apology! I heard it and it was nothing of the sort , he was deliberately insincere Eddie has a history of offensive commentary, channel 9’s audience is the older, chauvistic types who get a laff from his put downs and bigotry. Why there is even an audience for the immature and unfunny ravings off the footy show I’ll never know.

  162. June 20, 2016 4:53 pm

    10:30PM June 19, 2016

    http://www.google.com.au/url?q=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/federal-election-campaign-day-43-labors-campaign-launch-turnbull-in-sydney/news-story/264f376b98984db6f279fd4121868f43&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj0jYeZ_7XNAhVGHJQKHb1YDVcQqQIIHzAB&usg=AFQjCNGOAYQm0XbrEqjYu4GkO9PaVVJDEw

    (hopefully jumps paywall)

    teh-oz,,,,,Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten enter the final two weeks of the election campaign with an almost identical low satisfaction rating from voters as their parties are deadlocked at 50-50, writes Phillip Hudson.

    The latest Newspoll, taken exclusively for The Australian, reveals the primary vote for both Labor and the Coalition edged up in the past fortnight.

    The Coalition’s primary vote returned to 41 per cent while Labor rose to 36 per cent.

    The Greens are unchanged at 10 per cent with support for other parties and independents fell to 13 per cent.

    Satisfaction with Turnbull’s performance fell over the past fortnight while Shorten’s satisfaction rating climbed. Turnbull remained the preferred prime minister over Shorten but more than one-in-five voters remain undecided,,,,,

  163. June 20, 2016 5:05 pm

    teh-oz,,,,,Turnbull remained the preferred prime minister over Shorten but,,,,,

    # ,, blib`s hated arse

    teh-oz,,,,,more than one-in-five voters remain undecided,,,,,

    # ,, possible code for, neither of`em

  164. June 20, 2016 5:15 pm

    teh-oz,,,,,He confirmed that Labor offered a preference deal to his party, which he(#xeno) refused,,,,,

    # ,, it seems blib`s hated arse is understood by xeno, really, how can xeno (or-greenz-or-indis) now possibly do a `deal` on preferences with blib, when blib has screamed long and loud he won`t cut a deal for a minority govt

    # ,, yet again, another `issue` where blib shot himself in the head #yaaay.team

  165. June 20, 2016 7:02 pm

    Tanya,,,,,Joan Plibersek is an Australian politician who has been the Member of Parliament for Sydney since 1998, and,,,,,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_Plibersek

    # ,, been there long enough, piss-off

  166. June 20, 2016 7:08 pm

    Albanese,,,,,In 1998 he unsuccessfully moved a private member`s bill that,,,,

    # ,, don`t care, too long, fcuk-off too, times-up

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Albanese

  167. June 20, 2016 7:14 pm

    Peter,,,,,Craig Dutton (born 18 November 1970) Australian politician,,,,

    # ,, dumber, bigger zombie is hard to find, fcuk this one off too

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Dutton

  168. June 20, 2016 7:26 pm

    tho not impossible, king of the zombies,

    ,,,,,Abbott won Liberal preselection for the federal Division of Warringah by-election in March 1994 following the,,,,,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott

    # ,, fcuk off

  169. June 20, 2016 7:34 pm

    ha-ha teabags, reportland are only trailing me by 6-months this time, `jobactive` also being used by organized crime

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2016 8:39 pm

    Go ALP! Go CFMEU!!!

    OI!OI!OI!!

    A former CFMEU organiser who blackmailed a Canberra subcontractor between 2012 and 2014 should avoid spending time behind bars, a court has heard.
    Halafihi Kimonu Kivalu, 39, was arrested after damning covert recordings were played to the trade unions royal commission last July, in which he told formwork subcontractor Elias Taleb to pay him so he could “get some people off your back”.

    Kivalu blackmailed Mr Taleb in relation to work at a Yarralumla residential development between February 2012 and June 2013, and an apartment complex development in Braddon between September 2013 and January 2014.
    Kivalu – a Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union organizer between 2010 and November 2014 – made it clear to Mr Taleb that if he did not pay him $50,000 to secure the Yarralumla site, a competitor would pay and the work would go to them.
    Mr Taleb believed he needed to make the payments to keep the CFMEU from disrupting work at his sites.
    Kivalu, who is a former president of the ALP’s Dickson-Morning sub-branch in Canberra, was present when the CFMEU shut down Mr Taleb’s Yarralumla site in late 2013.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/former-cfmeu-official-halafihi-kivalu-should-serve-suspended-sentence-for-blackmail-court-told-20160525-gp3f9s.html

  171. June 20, 2016 10:12 pm

    sat-paper,,,,,,MAX Solutions already enjoyed the largest share of Australia’s employment and disability employment services market (about 10 per cent), having earned $800 million from the federal government over the past five years under its existing employment department contracts.

    The US company now dominates the `welfare business` in Australia,

    having picked up 27 employment services contracts across the country, including 14 of the 51 regional Work for the Dole co-ordinator contracts. The next most successful provider – Mission Providence – will operate in 11 regions, including six Work for the Dole co-ordinator contracts.

    The Saturday Paper can reveal MAX Solutions’ highly successful tender bids were guided by the former Department of Employment senior employee who managed the purchasing process of the 2009 JSA tender, which awarded MAX Solutions its dominant market share.

    The Work for the Dole co-ordinator contracts are worth $380,000 a year each,,,,,,

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/04/25/jobactives-work-the-dole-contracts-sold-us-companies/14298840001801

    # ,, this teabag idea is riddled with faults and corruption. lt has actually put `paid-employed` workers at charity`s out of their job. The so-called charities receive a 3-grand `service-fee` per `dole-ee` for receiving the `free`labor, which has allowed them to sack their `paid-laborers`. Yes reb, the salvo-sucks are one of them.

    # ,, there is 66 biz/charitie `brands` with their snout in the trough. Without a TRANSPARENT and IMMEDIATE party-donor register, we are totally buggered trying to find-out how many of them are pwning both teams. (icac-too)

    # ,, check-out tonights reportland too.

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2016 11:30 pm

    After Q&A tonight the nation should save $180 million on an equality plebiscite and just vote anything but Liberal or Nationals to prove the point!

    MALfunction TrustAbbott

  173. Sum Of Ideals permalink
    June 21, 2016 5:41 am

    (Melissa Parkewe can do better.)

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2016 10:12 am

    This seems fair –

    Malcolm Turnbull has clashed with host Tony Jones during his first Q&A appearance since becoming prime minister, accusing Jones of acting as a “spokesman” for the Labor Party.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/qa-malcolm-turnbull-accuses-tony-jones-of-being-a-very-good-spokesman-for-labor-20160620-gpnqep.html#ixzz4CAU01crq

  175. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2016 10:13 am

    “(Melissa Parke…we can do better.)”

    Certainly the ALP and Green mongrels that caused the drownings can do better.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2016 10:54 am

    TurnAbbout claims we are the most successful multicultural nation in the world and we have to have a $180 million plebiscite on the civil rights of a section of the community …

    And the naivety to believe nastiness and vicious attacks will not come? Especially from the Liberal Party defies belief …

    MALfunction TurnAbbout is running scared it was pretty obvious on Q&A last night … the defence of his wishy washy explanations by news.com.au are embarrassing reading …

    SAVE the COUNTRY $180 million …

    Vote

    ✓ LABOR

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2016 10:57 am

    … accusing Jones of acting as a “spokesman” for the Labor Party.

    Piss weak outburst …

    Like I said, running scared …

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2016 11:02 am

    LABOR Xenophon

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2016 11:07 am

    The attack on volunteer firefighters by the Andrews government – as repayment to its Unionland paymasters is the most disgusting thing in Australian politics for a long time.

    Volunteerism is one of the greatest features of Australian society. Sadly, we have always had treasonous unions. It is sickening to see the treasonous mongrels win out and have their stooge Andrews stab the volunteers.

    Expect more of the same if Shorten is elected. If you want to sell out your country then by all means ✓ LABOR.

  180. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 11:09 am

    “…………….and we have to have a $180 million plebiscite on the civil rights of a section of the community … ”

    Not just him

    “Voters overwhelmingly want a ­direct say on issues such as gay marriage and to not leave the ­decision to politicians, according to a new study that endorses the position accepted by Malcolm Turnbull to hold a plebiscite………….The findings by the Centre for Governance and Public Policy at Griffith University show seven out of 10 voters do not agree with Labor’s pledge to have parliament decide on the issue of same-sex marriage within 100 days of the election, and instead prefer the position set by former prime minister Tony Abbott………”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/federal-election-2016-gay-marriage-for-voters-to-decide/news-story/36caa070fe77e60972482a89c408f074

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2016 11:28 am

    That’s a fact. Andrews in just the local version of Shorten. A hack that’s propped up by the union voting bloc.

    Selling out volunteers is entirely acceptable to ALP hacks, because they’re extendible and really don’t matter when it comes to ALP power

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2016 11:31 am

    The sweetest outcome would be for Shorten to lose because he failed in the outer metro seats of Melbourne where the volunteers turned on the ALP

  183. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 11:38 am

    “And the naivety to believe nastiness and vicious attacks will not come? ”

    Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2016 12:56 pm

    Well apparently NSW is now debt free, running surplus budgets and spending record amounts on infrastructure. Shows what can be done.

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2016 2:22 pm

    I’ll have to ask TB how Queensland is doing on the debt front.

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2016 2:25 pm

    More victims of the Orlando shootings according to the NYT:

    Orlando Killings Rob Young New York Muslims of a Cherished Holiday Respite

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2016 2:33 pm

    Very shrill here today … LOL!

    Someone’s hurtin’ …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate

    I wonder why? One example …

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Bernardi+on+gay+marriage

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2016 2:38 pm

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2016 3:07 pm

    We don’t need a debate! You can’t trust the people to make up their own minds.

    What? Do you think this is some sort of democracy???

  190. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 3:29 pm

    If anyone’s shrill it would be those north of the Tweed. Those marginals are just not tipping to the Left. Especially not in Sydney. Plus the LNP will get back Clive’s Fairfax and the ALP will lose Batman to the Greens. How amusing. And poor old Albo is no cert and Tanya should be worried come next election. It will probably be her turn LOL

    How many public servants have been added to the Qld Public Service under Qld Labor ?

  191. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 3:30 pm

    “Do you think this is some sort of democracy???”

    I think you are thinking of Venezuela ?

    That’s TB’s role model economy

  192. June 21, 2016 3:31 pm

    I’d prefer our current political class did not make any decisions.

    First, do no harm.

  193. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 3:35 pm

    “TurnAbbout claims we are the most successful multicultural nation in the world and we have to have a $180 million plebiscite on the civil rights of a section of the community … ”

    By the way

    What the Fuck has multiculturalism got to do with Gay Marriage ?

    I would have thought that new arrivals have a much higher traditionalist/religious view on Marriage anyway.

    TB just cant work out what he’s trying to say these days. “A bit muddled up” …………………as geriatric nurses often say.

  194. June 21, 2016 3:36 pm

    Anyone who believes democracy is the best system of organising society must surely agree a plebiscite is more democratic than a vote in parliament. The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way.

  195. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2016 4:12 pm

    “The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way.”
    In the EU that is not an issue! In fact democracy isn’t an issue. The EU Parliament can’t even initiate legislation.

  196. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 4:26 pm

    That’s the problem with Leftists like TB

    They like to lecture us on how horrible we all are as with his “……. the naivety to believe nastiness and vicious attacks will not come? “

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2016 5:23 pm

    What a shocker – nastiness and horrible attacks! Don’t tell me things are getting heated and people are speaking their minds! Can’t have that! Quick, quick call Nanny Triggs. She’ll call for massive damages for the “victims”. And TB needn’t worry. She won’t do anything that embarrasses the ALP.

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2016 5:32 pm

    Especially not in Sydney

    I think the results could be interesting. However the betting odds make no sense. Sportsbet has the Coalition at $1.13 and Labor at $6.05. So the punters think the Coalition is a sure thing but Newspoll says it is 50:50. Makes no sense

    But i will not be putting the Coalition No 1 for the first time in my life. My member was one of the 53 traitors. I will put that person No 2 so the Coalition will get my preference but apparently will lose $2.60 in funding.

    AS for the Senate i will be voting for Conservative politicians in front of the LIbs. Labor and Greens will be at the bottom of my vote.

  199. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 5:45 pm

  200. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 5:47 pm

    In TB’s world this is how everyone looks before going to bed each night……………..

    Sweet Dreams………………………………..

  201. June 21, 2016 5:59 pm

    tinfoil`osy,,,,,The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way,,,,,

    # ,, Good thing john-w didn`t have a plebiscite before he reworded the federal marriage-act and just stepped on the gays throats (as-did with NT euthanasia) without one, and in what might be perceived as a `very` catlick-kristian thing, to then `demand` a plebiscite to then lift the jackboot from their throats, merely to please dog-clubs and sky-fairies.

  202. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2016 6:01 pm

    The very rational and sane people at Black Lives Matter have a view on the causes of Orlando-style terrorism:

    “The enemy is now and has always been the four threats of white supremacy, patriarchy, capitalism, and militarism. These forces and not Islam create terrorism.”

    Pretty much par for the course in Lefty La-La Land.

  203. Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2016 6:09 pm

    “These forces and not Islam create terrorism.”

    Yep……….and the attack on the Lindt Cafe was an attack upon chocolate lovers.

    I figure that’s how it works.

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2016 6:18 pm

    ISIS has created a club for violent, homophobic, sexist, misogynist, criminals and assorted misfits. They used to be just isolated in their bizarre sociopathic attitudes.

    But ISIS has made them into a religion!

  205. June 21, 2016 6:18 pm

    says,,,,,it is 50:50,,,,,#noisepoll is full of crap

    l take it the ,,,sportsbet,,,, numbers are for an `outright`govt kneel, not `watermelon` which was/is basically blib`s only chance

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2016 7:03 pm

    Nah, why should I be concerned about … “a reasoned debate” on gay marriage, human rights, equal rights … from people who think … if you’re not white, krystchun, middle aged, with kids and supporting (actively or passively) a tory, big business, big bucks backed political party … you are somehow — sub-human …

    Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate

    TB just cant work out what he’s trying to say these days. “A bit muddled up” …………………as geriatric nurses often say.

    The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way. And the government can simply ignore it!

    That’s the problem with Leftists like TB

    And TB needn’t worry. She won’t do anything that embarrasses the ALP.

    In TB’s world this is how everyone looks before going to bed each night……………..

    I knew if I left you to your rightist ramblings you’d eventually prove my point … from simply nasty, sexist, ageist, ignorant (in the true sense of the word – regarding what a plebiscite actually is and its lack of “power” in parliament) … and a touch of pantzwetting – as my good friend and lost colleague, toylet, would say …

    Of course I can expect a reasoned debate on a gay marriage plebiscite … yeah!

    Thanks GUYS …

    Looking forward to July 2 … keep up the good “reasonable” work …

  207. June 21, 2016 8:08 pm

    the `war` of false differences is on again l see, `our` westboro-teabags pretending `this` flavored sky-fairy tastes better than `that` flavored sky-fairy, both which incidentally belong to the `same` dog. Others no doubt, will try to solve the nations problems with (blue/red, red+blue, purple) yard-signs in support of the (red/blue, purple, blue+red) swap-a-thon that never `really` changes anything.

  208. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2016 8:11 pm

    I see there is a rumour going around that the Coalition will sell Medicare. The crazy thing about this idea is that who would buy it? I don’t think hospitals make any money.

  209. June 21, 2016 8:36 pm

    “”Anyone who believes democracy is the best system of organising society must surely agree a plebiscite is more democratic than a vote in parliament. “”

    So why don’t we have one before we decide whether or not to go to war with another nation?

  210. June 21, 2016 8:37 pm

    “”The crazy thing about this idea is that who would buy it?””

    Oh FFS.

  211. June 21, 2016 8:53 pm

    Why don’t we just have direct democracy?

  212. June 21, 2016 8:57 pm

    Why don’t we just look over there?

  213. June 21, 2016 9:13 pm

    I would have thought it was addressing your question directly. Is that a possum?

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2016 9:19 pm

    Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate

  215. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2016 9:33 pm

    “…Anyone who believes democracy is the best system of organising society must surely agree a plebiscite is more democratic than a vote in parliament. The trouble is the majority might vote the wrong way..”

    “…Voters overwhelmingly want a ­direct say on issues such as gay marriage and to not leave the ­decision to politicians, according to a new study that endorses the position accepted by Malcolm Turnbull to hold a plebiscite…”

    In that case you’d think the plebiscite offered would be a binding one wouldn’t you? Not a non-binding one which some coalition mp’s have already threatened to reject if it doesn’t suit their personal belief system [because it’s all about them isn’t it?]

    How often do we have to see businesses on TV who are in trouble for not paying their staff the correct wage before we realise it’s a systemic, nation wide issue, just the tip of the iceberg?

    “The enemy is now and has always been the four threats of white supremacy, patriarchy, capitalism, and militarism. These forces and not Islam create terrorism.”

    Yep, without those the rich white people who have given themselves grand titles and positions of power and enormous influence wouldn’t be able to create and maintain all the systems that oppress others, including poorer whiteys [who are still one rung above the brown people though].

  216. June 21, 2016 10:08 pm

    lt`s still eleven days to the election, and the team-cheerer has been missing for a few days now, it`s not like him to have surrendered this early, unless of course he `knows` something. lt is also unusual ricky-pann hasn`t turned-up either.

  217. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 9:11 am

    “The crazy thing about this idea is that who would buy it?”

    Exactly. Half or something like that of its revenue comes from the Taxpayer.

    Why buy something when a legislative change (which aint going to happen anyway) would allow Private Hospital Companies to set up all over the place.

    Oh that’s right I forgot……they already do.

    And what is so wrong about outsourcing the bean counters when the NDIS already does the same thing.

    Anyone notice how Shorten got very antsy when asked that question yesterday and refused to answer it

  218. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 9:14 am

    “………– regarding what a plebiscite actually is and its lack of “power” in parliament…….”

    The Griffith University survey says you are completely wrong.

    But there you go shutting down debate as always. Its your default position Mr Muddled

  219. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 9:15 am

    Oh

    And I got polled by Galaxy last night too.

    So that’s 2 polls in 2 weeks

  220. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 22, 2016 9:18 am

    Socialism in action:

    Hundreds of people here in the city of Cumaná… marched on a supermarket, screaming for food. They forced open a large metal gate and poured inside. They snatched water, flour, cornmeal, salt, sugar, potatoes, anything they could find, leaving behind only broken freezers and overturned shelves. They showed that even in a country with the largest oil reserves in the world, it is possible for people to riot because there is not enough food… Economists say years of economic mismanagement… have shattered the food supply. Sugar fields in the country’s agricultural centre lie fallow for lack of fertilisers. Unused machinery rots in shuttered state-owned factories…

    In response, President Nicolás Maduro has tightened his grip over the food supply. Using emergency decrees he signed this year, the president put most food distribution in the hands of a group of citizen brigades loyal to leftists, a measure critics say is reminiscent of food rationing in Cuba. “They’re saying, in other words, you get food if you’re my friend, if you’re my sympathizer,” said Roberto Briceño-León, the director of the Venezuelan Violence Observatory, a human rights group.

    Where are all the Chavez cheerleaders now?

    The government that regulates everything destroys everything.

  221. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 9:28 am

    “The government that regulates everything destroys everything”

    All this chaos in Venezuela is giving the Oil Price some support. They joint should go into complete meltdown shortly so I might go a bit long in Oil Search and Woodside shares soon.

    Something about silver linings

  222. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 9:29 am

    “Where are all the Chavez cheerleaders now? ”

    Living North of the Tweed River ?????????

  223. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 9:33 am

    “Why don’t we just have direct democracy?”

    Because it might result in common sense prevailing………….

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36454060

  224. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 9:39 am

    “So why don’t we have one before we decide whether or not to go to war with another nation?”

    Perhaps because Al Qaeda and ISIS are not “nations” but represent “clear and present dangers”.

    Sounds like a movie………..

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 11:26 am

    Sounds like a movie………..

    Originally a novel … made into a film …

    And to correct you again … Iraq is a country, so is Afghanistan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea … I can assure you, I wasn’t asked if I was interested in going to war in 1970 …

    Your link to the Griffith Uni survey is paywalled BTW … but for anyone interested I have a copy of the article and will link it and comment later today …

    Seems most of us are busy at the moment … 🙂

  226. June 22, 2016 11:35 am

    This link will get you to the Australian article about the Griffith University study.

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 12:50 pm

    Chuckle …

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2016 3:02 pm

    So the so called fake tradie is a real tradie but the ALP used actors to play tradies!

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2016 3:21 pm

    Bill Shorten admits he’s been to a strip club “but left when I realised what it was”.

    These things happen all the time. Bill was most probably hungry and wanted a pie so was looking for a pie shop. The entrances to a pie shop and a strip club are awfully similar so it is an understandable mistake.

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 3:22 pm

    Thanks M …

    … unfortunately for us plebs the Australian puts a paywall up to the link … so here’s the article in full … (wally’s original extract is in bold – mine) …

    Voters overwhelmingly want a ­direct say on issues such as gay marriage and to not leave the ­decision to politicians, according to a new study that endorses the position accepted by Malcolm Turnbull to hold a plebiscite.

    The findings by the Centre for Governance and Public Policy at Griffith University show seven out of 10 voters do not agree with Labor’s pledge to have parliament decide on the issue of same-sex marriage within 100 days of the election, and instead prefer the position set by former prime minister Tony Abbott.

    It comes as fewer than 50 per cent of voters say they have trust in federal politics.

    The study, to be released today at a Griffith University conference about the future of the federation, reveals only 44.8 per cent of people said they had a great deal or fair amount of trust in federal government, while 52.4 per cent said they had no trust or not very much trust.

    The study of 1222 people, taken early last month, found 70 per cent believed the people should vote on the issue of same sex-marriage, only 19 per cent believing it should be decided by parliament.

    And, despite the opposition’s vow to dump the plebiscite if it wins the election, the survey showed 72.7 per cent of Labor supporters backed a people’s vote on same-sex marriage, with 23.4 per cent favouring Bill Shorten’s position to have a vote by MPs.

    There was also a clear majority for a people’s vote on other issues.

    Who should decide

    Some 81 per cent said the people should decide whether Australia should become a republic and 70 per cent want a public vote on whether terminally ill patients should have access to physician- ­assisted suicide.

    A smaller majority supported a public vote to decide whether Abo­riginal and Torres Strait Islander people should be recognised in the Constitution (58 per cent); having fixed four-year terms for federal parliament (54 per cent); and decid­ing how many levels of government Australia should have (60 per cent).

    Voters were more comfortable with parliament deciding technical and policy matters, 57 per cent saying it should set levels for clim­ate change emissions and 58 per cent for MPs to determine the ­responsibilities for each level of government.

    AJ Brown from the Centre for Governance and Public Policy said the public’s position on same-sex marriage and physician-assisted suicide could reflect a view these were moral issues where politicians had no special expertise or frustration that parliament had failed to act despite public opinion showing support for change.

    “People want to have a direct say on fundamental questions about the structure of our federation, but they are happy to leave details of its operation to parliament,” Professor Brown said.

    “These results reinforce voter demand for the parties to map out their vision on big issues, including federal reform, especially in light of the demise of the Abbott government’s federation reform process.”

    What’s significant is that 52.4% of those surveyed said they had little or no trust in government … the survey also highlighted the following …

    The study of 1222 people, taken early last month, found 70 per cent believed the people should vote on the issue of same sex-marriage, only 19 per cent believing it should be decided by parliament.

    This demonstrates that the majority of those surveyed believed that a plebiscite actually determined the “decision” – when in fact it STILL has to be changed by parliament … given the disproportionately high number of religiously oriented representatives in Parliament, that decision may well give those with little trust in government more cause to feel that way!

    There IS a possibility that politicians (particularly on the RIGHT) may vote NO in parliament as opposed to a YES from the plebiscite (a very strong probable outcome) …

    John Howard changed the Marriage Act overnight … all it needs is to be changed back … overnight … the same way …

    … and save the nation $180 million … we do have a problem with spending still – don’t we?

    Gay couples will be banned from marrying or adopting children from overseas but will be allowed to inherit their partner’s superannuation under proposed changes to marriage laws announced today.

    Less than an hour after Prime Minister John Howard announced the changes to the Marriage Act, the government rushed legislation enabling the changes into parliament.

    Mr Howard said the Marriage Act would be changed to include a definition of marriage as the `voluntarily entered-into union of a man and a woman to exclusion of all others’.

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/27/1085461876842.html

    If a plebiscite is so “useful” why don’t we have them on the following issues too:

    ► Concealing Personal Investments in The Cayman Islands, Virgin Islands, Ireland etc

    ► Transparency of Government Actions At All Times
    (ie Boat Turnbacks when bleeding obvious influence in an election)

    ► Voluntary Euthanasia

    ► NBN

    ► Multi-national Tax

    ► Negative Gearing

    ► Trust Funds

    ► Super Tax for Rich

    ► Pollie’s Perqs and Conditions

    ► Ex-Pollies Perqs

    Intelligent discussion … GMAB!

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 3:31 pm

    So the so called fake tradie is a real tradie but the ALP used actors to play tradies!

    So I hear … not too many “tradies”, I know, wear watches and wrist chains – especially in a hiviz and in what looks like a workplace – even you should know that ToM …

    Works as a metal fabricator and in real estate apparently … and a bloke who’s worked with him – a tiler – said he’s OK … I, for one, am trying to am wondering what a metal fabricator – in the metal trades – has to do with a tiler in the construction industry?

    Is he “still” a tradie or was he a tradie … I guess the whole truth will pop out eventually …

    Either way, the ad is pretty awful …

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 3:33 pm

    Bill Shorten admits he’s been to a strip club “but left when I realised what it was”.

    Haven’t you?

  233. June 22, 2016 3:49 pm

  234. June 22, 2016 3:55 pm

    “Those who have worked with McLachlan say he is a plain-speaking dealmaker.

    “He’s streetwise and there’s mongrel in him when there needs to be. That’s how he got ahead,” said one football industry executive. “He’s just very smart, he sees the big picture immediately and he’s been groomed for this for a long time.”

  235. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 3:56 pm

    “This demonstrates that the majority of those surveyed believed that a plebiscite actually determined the “decision” ……..”

    Really……………..where does it say that ?

    or it could say…………………

    This demonstrates that the majority of those surveyed believed that a plebiscite actually unequivocably “directed” to politicians the Will of the People and for them to act accordingly

    Perhaps you meant to say that

  236. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 3:58 pm

    “……..he sees the big picture immediately……..”

    Mmmmmmmmm……………..”immediately ” ?

    Didn’t the “joke” occur on Radio last week ?

  237. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:04 pm

    MORE OUTRAGE……………!

    ‘Building a road is not like buying a handbag’, NSW minister tells MP

    Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/06/21/18/33/building-a-road-is-not-like-buying-a-handbag-nsw-minister-tells-mp#8EP64RLSSYywW3sq.99

    Of course buying a handbag is more complex.

    Elini Petinos MP looks like she could be our second female premier…………………

    The first one…………

    The second one………….

    New South Wales car number plate…………”The Hot Premier State”

  238. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:06 pm

    Victoria’s entry

  239. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:07 pm

    Queensland’s entry………

  240. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:10 pm

    Queensland’s second attempt………

  241. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:11 pm

    WA’s entry…………..

  242. June 22, 2016 4:12 pm

    fakeTradie looks like the biz-owner to me, gold `bling` on both wrists shows he doesn`t do the `yakka`

  243. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:13 pm

    Tasmania’s entry……………….now this is more like it……..

  244. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:17 pm

    Then the Federal ALP gave us this……………..

    Ooooops………………..I meant this

  245. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:24 pm

    Ooooops………………..I meant this

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 4:52 pm

    Perhaps you meant to say that

    NO! I meant to say … exactly this “This demonstrates that the majority of those surveyed believed that a plebiscite actually determined the “decision” ……..”

    I meant to say … not the article … not the survey … and certainly not what you think I should say …

    And …

    Once again your attempt at childish football humour only reinforces a display of misogyny and sexism that highlights your disdain for women …

    Sadly, that’s probably the reason that any new female contributors we have had here leave quickly … thank goodness, KL, is made of sterner stuff than you …

  247. June 22, 2016 5:17 pm

    l enjoy the fact that blubbers is linking images from this teabag-site (-:

    ,,,,,The Boston Tea party was a people’s uprising against the abuse of government power against its citizens in 1773,,,,,,

    ,,,,,Their motto was: `NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION,,,,,

    ,,,,,And while this was part of American history the sentiment is universal,,,,,

    http://austeaparty.com.au/web/about-us/

    ,,,,,We have borrowed and modified this saying to reflect citizens frustration with government engorgement and our apparent powerlessness to reduce or even restrict it,,,,,

    ,,,,,NO TAXATION WITHOUT REAL REPRESENTATION,,,,,

    # ,, had they all been a tad smarter, they all would of included,

    # ,, NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION as well

  248. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 5:42 pm

    “Once again your attempt at childish football humour only reinforces a display of misogyny and sexism that highlights your disdain for women … ”

  249. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 5:44 pm

    Actually I think he has better teeth than the average Yorkshireman/Queenslander.

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 5:55 pm

    Just because the the CATHOLIC CHURCH hasn’t changed in 2000 years doesn’t mean we can’t …

    http://www.corybernardi.com/orwellian_influence_in_public_discourse

    And wally just argues my case …

    WALLY – Good to see that you don’t believe Australians are capable of having a reasoned debate

    Because you haven’t in a DECADE! That’s why!

  251. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 6:08 pm

    “Because you haven’t in a DECADE! That’s why!”

    LOL

  252. June 22, 2016 6:21 pm

    not sure what point teebz was making with the link to sweet-cory

    (helps to include a small quote)

  253. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2016 7:23 pm

    ,,,,,The Boston Tea party was a people’s uprising against the abuse of government power against its citizens in 1773,,,,,,

    ,,,,,Their motto was: `NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION,,,,,

    That is what they say. However i think the Americans wanted to leave. When people want to do something they can always find some way to justify their actions.

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 7:35 pm

    wally … not yer friend … u can’t even get that right!

    tbagz … do I care wot you try to think? Are you wally’s nephew?

    As for kneel … its now completely mad …

  255. June 22, 2016 8:07 pm

    on reportland they had your `firemen` `volunteers` onion-panic, they didn`t say what the `original` fight was between them, but the good news is they`re all going to take it out on blib (-:

  256. June 22, 2016 8:56 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  257. Walrus permalink
    June 22, 2016 10:03 pm

    “wally … not yer friend … u can’t even get that right”

    I WILL SLEEP WELL

    ROFLMAO

    How far back into your family ancestry does is a glass jaw your most prominent feature ?

    Hey “Mr All Muddled Up”…….. said the geriatric nurse ?

  258. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2016 10:19 pm

    Media has told us for decades “if you win #EdenMonaro, you win the election.” So this is the poll shock of #AusVotes

    I think it is good for Australia if the ALP wins the next election. If Turnbull wins he will just drag the country further left and then the ALP will get back in anyway.

    Best for Australia if the ALP gets back in and they destroy the country and then people will wake up and never vote for the ALP again.

    One interesting point is that Howard/Costello took govt debt from 18% of GDP to zero. Well guess what, thanks to the ALP, TB, WAlrus, Reb, Splatterbum, AO we are now back to govt debt at 18% of GDP and exploding.

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 10:53 pm

    Another State of Orange Series Win!

    GO MAROONS

    I meant to say …

    QUEENSLANDER!

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 10:55 pm

    Whose got a glass jaw then …

    All the girls in BLUE scarpering south over the Tweed …

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2016 10:56 pm

    Eden Monaro maybe the tip of the iceberg too!

  262. June 22, 2016 11:45 pm

    Nah, more likely eden-monaro will end its reign as the bell weather, great predictor, l can`t see where blib is going to secure 21+ seats myself, the graphic is nice to stimulate the team-cheerer, but no poll details.

  263. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2016 9:58 am

    Penny Wong 2016…………

    “A plebiscite designed to deny me and many other Australians a marriage certificate will instead license hate speech to those who need little encouragement,”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/not-one-straight-politician-knows-what-its-like-penny-wongs-deeply-personal-plebiscite-anguish-20160621-gpogvz.html#ixzz4CM68a5Kk

    But wait a minute…………….

    Penny Wong 2010………..

    “On the issue of marriage, I think the reality is there is a cultural, religious and historical view around that which we have to respect.”

    http://m.smh.com.au/federal-election/brown-horrified-at-wongs-antigay-marriage-stance-20100726-10rwj.html

    What a lying Leftist mongrel she is……………!

  264. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2016 10:02 am

    “……….more likely eden-monaro will end its reign as the bell weather……..”

    Agreed…….but look at the Lefties circle jerk in joy.

    What they dont realise is the Seat has been extensively redrawn

  265. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2016 10:31 am

    I gotta say Elon Musk has always raised a suspicion for moi……………..

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/innovation/tesla-chief-elon-musks-bid-for-solarcity-full-of-problems-20160622-gppqny.html

  266. Autopoietic License permalink
    June 23, 2016 10:40 am

    (Newz: ‘Not one straight politician knows what it’s like’: Penny Wong’s plebiscite anguish
    Context: Penny Wong Speech – 28th Annual Lionel Murphy Memorial Lecture
    Argument(s) to discuss/contest: liberal democracy, discrimination, hate, hate speech

    What a lying Leftist mongrel she is……………!

    Strawman/Cherrypicking…)

  267. Preview Review permalink
    June 23, 2016 11:04 am

    (What they dont realise is the Seat has been extensively redrawn

    I hadn’t realised that, ’tis true; Federal Election Preview – New South Wales:

    “Famous bellwether electorate Eden-Monaro (LIB 2.9%) will as ever be a key contest to watch. Based on Queanbeyan and the high country to the south, the seat also includes parts of the far NSW south coast. The redistribution has removed Batemans Bay and now wraps the seat around the ACT to include Tumut and Yass. These changes have boosted the Liberal margin from 0.6% to 2.9%, which will help the seat maintain its record of being won by the party that formed government at every election since 1972. Sitting Liberal MP Dr Peter Hendy will defend the seat against the former Labor MP he defeated in 2013, Dr Mike Kelly.”

    )

  268. Strip Club permalink
    June 23, 2016 11:24 am

    (I see there is a rumour going around that the Coalition will sell Medicare. The crazy thing about this idea is that who would buy it?

    Good question…

    …dunno.)

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2016 11:39 am

    Good question…

    Indeed … “Labor are lying” … doesn’t stand scrutiny … the “never, ever” statement came after … the beancounters were instructed to “look” at ways to “improve” Medicare and were found out … dropped the idea and then called out Labor for “lying” … change the rules call a foul “after” being “caught out” …

    +++++++++++++++

  270. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2016 11:58 am

    “I’ve never seen, and nor do I see, a proposal to potentially privatise the payments system as … a way to privatise Medicare,” ………….”The evidence just doesn’t stack up………
    “We also understand how important Medicare is to voters and that’s why it’s such a potent claim from the Labor Party but the AMA will always call governments to account, they will call oppositions to account.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-22/election-2016-medicare-ama-bill-shorten/7531978

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2016 12:15 pm

    Must be a NSW approach to life too …

    PHIL Gould has had enough of the NSW Blues culture.

    The former Origin coach slammed the downed Blues after their series loss on Wednesday night, labelling Laurie Daley’s side as “selfish”.

    “It’s as frustrating as hell,” the Channel Nine commentator said during the post match show.

    “Over a period I’ve said I’ve been astonished by the selfishness around this camp and this team and the leadership group and I don’t think it’s allowed the team to evolve and have its own culture and chemistry.

    “It’s always been about a few individuals and not about the state and the team and it’s no good sugar-coating the bitter pill. Until that element is removed from it, NSW can’t get over the line against this side.”

    NSW spends too much time trying to annoy, gouge, push down, lay on, niggle, knee, elbow and hurt the other team’s players that they just don’t score any points – they quite literally drop the ball constantly … and just gain a reputation for being bad sportsmen and lacking professionalism …

    Then of course they blame the referees …

  272. One System, Two System permalink
    June 23, 2016 12:41 pm

    (“The AMA is the strongest voice in the medical profession and it needs to and will continue to speak out but it must be utterly impartial,” he says. “I have a proven record of making the case for the profession and the priorities I bring are to ensure the health system provides universal access to high quality services that are affordable and that there is an appropriate balance between public and private systems,” he said.)

  273. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2016 12:51 pm

    the beancounters were instructed to “look” at ways to “improve” Medicare and were found out … dropped the idea and then called out Labor for “lying”

    No. There was some discussion on outsourcing the payments system which Labor turned into selling Medicare.

    Who would buy it? There is no money to be made in medical things. All Labor has done is stop the payments system being more efficient and saving some money.

    The deceit of Labor suits TB of Queensland because he is as deceitful as Labor. Like attracts like.

  274. June 23, 2016 1:42 pm

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  275. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2016 2:22 pm

    “The AMA is the strongest voice in the medical profession and it needs to and will continue to speak out but it must be utterly impartial,” he says.

    Says the bloke who reckons the AMA was too lefty … and boasts of his relationship with the Liberal Party …

    Never believe in coincidence in business … (that obviously includes politicised health and medical associations) …

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2016 2:43 pm

    TB

    Just admit you were wrong.

  277. June 23, 2016 4:02 pm

    the,,,,,Seat has been extensively redrawn,,,,,#correct ,,,,,#and some time ago on TV, one of the talking-heads reckoned there had been `demographic-change` in eden-monaro too, and seemed to indicate there was `enough` demographic change to alter its `status` even without the `redraw` aspect, l can`t remember if they reckoned one way or the other which `team` it would end-up favoring, as the discussion was on their `bell-weather` status

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2016 5:26 pm

    I never chose to be gay. For that — and for my right to be treated equally before the law — I shouldn’t have to justify anything.

    Clearly, that’s something certain shortsighted politicians will never understand.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/opinion-sorry-scott-morrison-but-youll-never-be-able-to-relate-to-a-gay-persons-experience/news-story/cefa1b66fc1d69d2fb36158d4ab2c2eb

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    egg, yer a Dimwit … did you go to school? Or just grow up in the forest in Poland?

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2016 5:35 pm

    Imagine what will happen with a plebiscite on Gay Marriage …

    There’s been a theme today of fear and smear both at the national level and locally. I’ve dropped in a couple of times on a fight in the WA seat of Cowan today – the justice minister Michael Keenan making claims about Labor’s candidate in Cowan, the anti-radicalisation expert Anne Aly.

    Here’s an exchange from a radio interview Keenan has done in Perth today. The Labor candidate called in to ask for a right of reply. Keenan wouldn’t speak to her. Fair to say this didn’t go very well.

    Here’s the relevant section of the interview.

    Q: Dr Anne Aly is on the other line would you be interested in discussing this with her on air? Because you weren’t keen to do so before.

    KEENAN: Well look I’m very happy to debate my opposition counterpart who is David Feeney and I’ve been trying to debate him…

    Q: But not the person to whom you’ve made this allegation.

    KEENAN: Well look it’s very unusual for a government minister to debate a Labor candidate Geoff as you’re well aware. I’m very happy to…

    Q: What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that?

    KEENAN: I’m very happy to debate David Feeney who is my opposite number within the opposition about this and if you could facilitate that I would be very happy to do that

    Q: But Michael you also know that this is the allegation you’re making against Dr Aly, she wants to defend it and you won’t debate her on it. It does rather look as if you’re seeking to control the nature of the discussion and I just wondered whether people weren’t entitled to be aware of that.

    KEENAN: Well it doesn’t Geoff as you’re well aware it would be very unusual for a government minister to debate a Labor candidate…

    Q: She’s here and waiting you can talk to her now…

    KEENAN: …I’m, I’m very happy to debate my opposite number who happens to be David Feeney in fact we were due to have a debate in Canberra today but he cancelled. Now if you would like to facilitate that I would be very interested to know, for example, whether Mr Feeney supports the thoughts of the views of their candidate for Cowan.

    Q: There is one thing that I would like to ask you before we finish up and that is, you would also be aware that Dr Aly has been targeted in an anti-Islam social media campaigning, nothing to do with your party or the government, but I’ve got a post in front of me which depicts Dr Aly’s face on to a picture of a gun-toting, Quran waving, ISIS fighter saying she’s not the best choice for Cowan so vote for someone else, I’m just wondering: as the federal justice minister and the minister assisting the prime minister for counter-terrorism, is this, is this a slightly dangerous game to be playing?

    KEENAN: Well I don’t think it’s dangerous to point out the fact that the Labor party has candidates that don’t support their stated position on national security laws. That would actually be a very standard thing for political parties to do during an election. Um, the question is whether the Labor party’s candidates supports the sorts of things the Labor Party says that they support, now clearly in the case of their candidate for Cowan, that is not the case.

    Q: But would you also acknowledge too that your government has provided considerable support for Dr Anne Aly and the work that she does?

    KEENAN: But as I said Geoff we funded an organisation that she has something to do with, to run an early intervention program we certainly have not funded her to provide letters of support for known hate preachers and for people who are convicted criminals.

    Q: This is the end of our discussion. I’m sorry you can’t continue it with Dr Anne Aly but for now, thank you for your time.

    KEENAN: Well as I said Geoff I’m very happy to debate my opposite number any time you can get him on the program…

    Q: I really don’t think that is particularly relevant at this time, with respect Michael Keenan is the federal justice minister, Dr Anne Aly is Labor’s Cowan candidate. Dr Aly, good morning to you….

    ALY: Good morning Geoff.

    Q: What do you make of what you’ve just heard?

    ALY: Oh well I think it’s all a bit bizarre that a government that has supported my program, has supported a non-government organisation that I more than just a little something to do with, I was the founding chair of that organisation, a government that has in parliament, there in Hansard, applauded the work that I do, their minister applauding the work that I do, a government where I have worked with backbencher and frontbencher, MP, on the work that I do, and that suddenly now at the pointy end of an election the minister for justice turns around and tried this pretty despicable smear campaign. I think it debases the whole election and I think it debases his role as the minister.

    Running scared? … I think so …

  280. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2016 6:04 pm

    Good to see you support hate preachers and their supporters.

    The question is did she provide a letter to support a hate preacher ?

    Answer : Yes

    And you are OK with that…………………………….Like WOW !

  281. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2016 6:10 pm

    Here is your hero on the Charlie Hebdo massacre………………

    “If you want to enjoy ‘freedom of speech’ with no limits, expect others to exercise ‘freedom of action’……………”

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25931274/junaid-thorne-backs-charlie-hebdo-killing/

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2016 6:14 pm

    ALY: Oh well I think it’s all a bit bizarre that a government that has supported my program, has supported a non-government organisation that I more than just a little something to do with, I was the founding chair of that organisation, a government that has in parliament, there in Hansard, applauded the work that I do, their minister applauding the work that I do, a government where I have worked with backbencher and frontbencher, MP, on the work that I do, and that suddenly now at the pointy end of an election the minister for justice turns around and tried this pretty despicable smear campaign. I think it debases the whole election and I think it debases his role as the minister.

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2016 6:16 pm

    Get out of your cocoon and read … and you wonder why NSW loses all the time … check above!

  284. June 23, 2016 7:56 pm

    When it comes to the imbecile-herd that loiters way too much at Limited-News blogs, tonights `working` example is provided with thanks, by tinfoil`osy.

    tinfoil`osy,,,,,Anyone who believes democracy is the best system of organising society must surely agree a plebiscite is more democratic than a vote in parliament,,,,,

    # ,, this type of simple statement that easily impresses simple folk, that regurgitate simply their simplest style of thinking and showing how easily they are out-witted. They are told by blot, ipa, teabags or catlick church `a-plebiscite`, so that is what they obediently regurgitate, even tho, what it really is `a-non-binding-plebiscite`.

    # ,, the trouble is `a-non-binding-plebiscite` merely makes the simple folk like tinfoil`osy a `useful-idiot` for the cause of, letting politicians off the hook from doing their job (in the first instance), bonfire-ing 150-$200-million taxpayer, and ultimately won`t decide anything.

    # ,, Remember dummies, `non-binding` not only leaves the door open for teabags to disobey the `public-will` if the teabags don`t like the result. lt also leaves the door open to the `other-side` to disobey the `public-will` and insist the politicians `do-their-job-anyway`.

  285. June 23, 2016 7:58 pm

    blib is being gutted on reportland tonight

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2016 9:11 pm

    … blib is being gutted on reportland tonight …

    Gee plain packaging really had an effect your bias dial … wait for the sugar tax!

  287. June 23, 2016 9:18 pm

    I haven’t watched any TV for 2 weeks.

    I can’t take it anymore….

  288. Walrus permalink
    June 23, 2016 9:58 pm

    “Get out of your cocoon and read … and you wonder why NSW loses all the time … check above!”

    You compare supporting terrorists to a football game ?

    Like WOW.

    What a fucking idiot you are !

  289. June 23, 2016 10:46 pm

    there seems to be quite a bit of rage radiating out of bananaland now`a`days, seems everybody gets a fatwa for `anything` they say (-:

    ,

    no tv-news-media for 2-weeks huh reb, don`t worry, missing out on all that `mis-information` won`t hurt you one bit (-:

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 8:55 am

    You compare supporting terrorists to a football game ?

    Actually no … I was comparing you and your modus operandi as a commentator here …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    there seems to be quite a bit of rage radiating out of bananaland now`a`days, seems everybody gets a fatwa for `anything` they say (-:

    Write bullshit aimed at me and get a reply … shimples …

    If you read very carefully … the comments you object too are reactive … quite happy to discuss issues without the foul language, hyperbole, personal attacks and mind reading … but I won’t sit around and be abused … I’ve never backed down to bullying …

  291. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 9:15 am

    “………there seems to be quite a bit of rage radiating out of bananaland now`a`days, seems everybody gets a fatwa for `anything` they say (-: …….”

    I think its because his “humour meter” is quite low these days.

    Did anyone manage to watch Bilby get absolutely sliced and diced by Leigh Sales last night ?

    He ended up like the Knight from Monty Python

  292. June 24, 2016 9:25 am

    I had a small bet on Brexit “Leave” earlier this morning at odds of $7.80. Sportsbet have now shortened “Leave” in to $2,51.

  293. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 9:50 am

    Wow !

    Last time I looked on the SMH Live Blog it was going “Remain”

  294. June 24, 2016 9:59 am

    CNN – with just 8 out of 382 booths counted: Remain 46.9%; Leave 53.1%.

  295. June 24, 2016 10:02 am

    Ben Simmons – son of ex Melbourne Tigers US-import Dave Simmons and Australian mother – just went No 1 in NBA draft.

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 10:20 am

    ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

  297. June 24, 2016 11:08 am

    The share market is realising Leave is a big chance. The banks are being hammered and the GBP is down over 3% against USD.

  298. June 24, 2016 11:10 am

    All Ordinaries down 2.4%.

  299. June 24, 2016 11:16 am

    Sportsbet: Remain $2.38; Leave $1.58.

    (At these odds I can back Remain too so I can’t lose, no matter the result. I might see if Remain drifts even more)

  300. June 24, 2016 11:28 am

    Sportsbet now $1.85 each. (Those are pretty poor odds for a two horse race. Flip of a coin is $2.)

  301. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 11:32 am

    “All Ordinaries down 2.4%”

    I’m disappointed it’s not by more ……………..:)

  302. June 24, 2016 11:35 am

    You’re buying, apparently. (Now down “only” 0.7%)

  303. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 11:42 am

    “You’re buying, apparently.”

    LOL………..I wish I could move the market thus…………

  304. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 11:44 am

    Greenwich burough is apparently seen as the bellwether for London overall. Whatever its result it usually only differs to London (which is tipped overall as a “Remain”) as a whole by 1 to 2% apparently….per the BBC

  305. June 24, 2016 11:49 am

    NAB got down to $24.57 at one stage.

  306. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 24, 2016 11:49 am

    I think for important changes the vote needs to be in big favour. Something like 70:30 or 60:40. If it is 50.1 vs 49.9 for or against i think the status quo should apply.

  307. June 24, 2016 12:04 pm

    That’s the trouble with democracy, Neil: majority rules.

  308. June 24, 2016 12:06 pm

    You’ve really got to admire the Australian spirit for having a punt on something that could spell economic doom.

    Dog bless Straya…!

  309. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 12:39 pm

    Here’s a Brexit game

    http://bl.ocks.org/tophtucker/raw/d161169c785ac1eeec01c92f89bd0ecd/

  310. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 12:43 pm

    My goodness

    The toffs in Seven Oaks have voted to Leave

  311. June 24, 2016 12:44 pm

    Just backed Remain at $6.75, so whatever happens I’ll have a nice win.

    Oi, Oi, Oi!

  312. June 24, 2016 12:48 pm

    Fun game, Walrus. Apparently I have no clue about British geography.

  313. June 24, 2016 12:57 pm

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  314. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 12:58 pm

    “Apparently I have no clue about British geography.”

    Having been there around 6 times I’m pretty useless as well.

    If only they named their Boroughs after the local pubs I’d be a world beater

  315. June 24, 2016 1:00 pm

    Some lessons for Aus perhaps….

    “What drove us together is now driving us apart. A lot of the promised benefits of globalisation are not flowing through,” Mr Denton said.

    “Citizens are asking ‘what’s in it for me?’ and they can’t see the benefits. There’s an expectation that trickle down economics was going to work — well the citizens reject that now.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-24/rba-briefs-government-and-opposition-on-implications-of-brexit/7540820

  316. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:08 pm

    “Citizens are asking ‘what’s in it for me?’ and they can’t see the benefits. There’s an expectation that trickle down economics was going to work — well the citizens reject that now.”

    I don’t know why “trickle down” is even mentioned when the EU is one of the most anti-competive organisations on the planet.

    And that’s why the London financiial luvvies embraced it

  317. June 24, 2016 1:18 pm

    You shouldn’t assume John Denton is giving some kind impartial advice to the ABC.

    ‘Appointed as an Officer of the Order of Australia (AO) in 2015 by the Governor-General in his capacity as Chancellor of the Order of Australia. He was recognised in 2015 “for his distinguished service to business and commerce, particularly in the legal profession, to the visual and performing arts sectors, to social welfare and the rights of refugees”.

    ‘He is recognised as one of the best labour law practitioners in the Asia Pacific by Asialaw Leading Lawyers Survey and one of Australia’s best government and trade lawyers in the Best Lawyers peer survey.’

    http://www.corrs.com.au/people/john-w-h-denton/

  318. June 24, 2016 1:19 pm

    l`m backing the `aldi-effect`. Aldi has kicked the shit out of Sainsbury on FMCG`s, which tells me the uk has a high level of junk-job citizens (who are missing out on ye-olde economic trickle benefits), if all the junk-jobbers vote, it`s `exit`, if junk-jobbers stay home, `remain` will win.

    # ,, my bet `exit`

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:20 pm

    This is nice…

    I like that sreb … should be more of it …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Fkn CFMEU … hey?

    Justice McCallum said that while she accepted Curtis was unlikely to reoffend, a custodial sentence was necessary to deter others from committing white collar crimes, which were notoriously difficult to detect and prosecute.

    “I do not think any lesser sentence would be adequate,” she said.

    She said insider trading was not a victimless crime as it put the integrity of the financial system at risk, and was typically undertaken by privileged members of society motivated by greed rather than mental illness or addiction.

    Curtis’ legal team had sought a suspended sentence or intensive corrections order with home detention.

    Justice McCallum said her decision had been influenced by the fact Curtis did not show any remorse until after his conviction, and had offered limited co-operation with law enforcement authorities.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/markets/australian-markets/pr-queen-roxy-jacenkos-husband-oliver-curtis-sentenced-to-two-years-in-jail/news-story/fc8b47fb82b647639e9eca5c4737e26c

  320. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:21 pm

    ASX200 off by 160 points.

    Excellent………..might dip my toe in a teeny bit

  321. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:23 pm

    UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage conceded defeat 2 hours ago.

    Now claims victory

  322. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:24 pm

    Boris for PM !

  323. June 24, 2016 1:26 pm

    “Nigel Farage conceded defeat 2 hours ago.”

    Don’t think so.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

  324. June 24, 2016 1:34 pm

    Anyone still “brave” enough to back Remain can get $16 at the moment.

  325. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:36 pm

    That’s strange ToSY as the SMH quotes him as below. OK its not a full blown concession but pretty close

    “It’s been an extraordinary referendum campaign, turnout looks to be exceptionally high and looks like Remain will edge it,…….”UKIP and I are going nowhere and the party will only continue to grow stronger in the future.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/brexit-poll-live-the-uk-votes-in-eu-referendum-20160623-gpqo5d.html#ixzz4CSrY7jh4

  326. June 24, 2016 1:42 pm

    Is a Leave vote xenophobic? Racist? Islamophobic? Homophobic? Misogynist? Or all of the above? Or something else altogether?

    It’s all so confusing.

  327. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:43 pm

    LOL………..Birmingham of all places has voted to leave.

    Must be a bit of an anti-immigation push from its heavily immigrant population.

    A bit of an “I got here first” sentiment

  328. June 24, 2016 1:44 pm

    “looks like Remain will edge it”

    Fair enough. Probably playing the underdog like they all tend to do.

    More importantly, ITV is calling it for Leave. It’s over!

  329. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:44 pm

    “It’s all so confusing”.

    I don’t know either.

    But it will keep Twitter in a state of perpetual outrage into the next millenia

  330. June 24, 2016 1:46 pm

    Do they call that Brexting?

  331. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:47 pm

    “More importantly, ITV is calling it for Leave. It’s over!”

    Yep

    It’s time for the Fat Lady.

    Oh……….how deeply misogynist of me

    Now that’ll upset the the perennially cranky one from north of the Tweed

  332. June 24, 2016 1:49 pm

    Sportsbet hasn’t paid out yet. They’re offering $34 for Remain, and there’s no betting on Leave.

  333. June 24, 2016 1:49 pm

    Make that $51.

  334. June 24, 2016 1:52 pm

    Haha. The lefties on CNN are completely confused about what went wrong tonight. “Journalist” Christine Amanpour just called Farage xenophobic, amongst other things.

    It’s starting.

  335. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:57 pm

    “The lefties on CNN are completely confused about what went wrong tonight. …..”

    What did the Lefties expect……………a Stalinist re-run………………?

    “The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” – Josef Stalin

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 1:59 pm

    All Ords 180 down … people are really fkn stupid … either way it’ll be back up by the end of next week …

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 2:00 pm

    Oh … now its 170 … (8-)

  338. June 24, 2016 2:00 pm

    CNN “journalist” Richard Quest: “Nobody can say they weren’t warned about the consequences of a Leave vote. George Soros, the World bank, the Prime Minister all warned us. Yet, the British people have spoken.”

  339. June 24, 2016 2:03 pm

    “either way it’ll be back up by the end of next week …”

    Most likely. Hope so. Traders would have had a great day today if they were on their toes. You could have bought and sold the same stock several times if you got your timing right. Not to mention currencies.

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 2:06 pm

    Looks like all of Scotland are Remain … most of Ireland … the big swing is in England and Wales …

    Looks like a big boo-boo for David Cameron … closet socialist … BOO!

  341. June 24, 2016 2:09 pm

    Amanpour: “Nigel Farage forced this referendum on David Cameron.”

    🙄

  342. June 24, 2016 2:11 pm

    Dow futures down 3.45%, almost exactly matching our All Ordinaries.

  343. June 24, 2016 2:19 pm

    ha-ha tinfoil`osy ,,,,,odds of $7.80. Sportsbet,,,,, that looks like a sweet`n shrewd bet on the `coin-flip` as you said. Well done. Hope it works out for`ya. (-: (-: (-:

  344. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2016 3:17 pm

    Freedom triumphs – long live the Anglosphere!

  345. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2016 3:18 pm

    And down with Unionland:

    “The staff member behind the counter told him he couldn’t take all of the stickers, and the man said: ‘I’m from the UFU and I can do anything I like’,” Mr Purcell said.

    “We both then said to the man to bring the stickers back, that we want to defend the CFA. He bounded right back in and got right in my face and punched me.”

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 3:20 pm

    Its very close … but looks like a Leave decision … going to be interesting to watch what transpires in the next few months …

    Trickle down economics … mmmm … seems to be a lot of disgruntled “receivers” …

    (Well called too ToSY!) ~(;-)

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 3:31 pm

    Down with anyone who sounds as arrogant and easy with his fists as Mr Purcell describes …

    Link would be nice …

  348. Walrus permalink
    June 24, 2016 3:42 pm

    Given our close ties with the UK I dont expect we’ll get invited to Eurovision next year.

  349. June 24, 2016 4:03 pm

    The final counting areas are in All 382 have been counted. Final numbers: Remain 48.11%; Leave 51.89%.

    “Brexit spreads across Europe: Italy, France, Holland and Denmark ALL call for referendums”

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2016 4:43 pm

    Given our close ties with the UK I dont expect we’ll get invited to Eurovision next year.

    There are benefits then …

  351. Garry permalink
    September 29, 2016 6:37 pm

    Hate to say it, but it is nigh on inevitable. The Progressive Elites who are immovable in their positions, and who are on a “Holier Than Thou” green rampage will come to rue the day. It is only a matter of time. Where do they think wealth is born? It only comes from productive enterprise, and they are leeches of the first order, and a drag on productivity. God help us.

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