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The Libs weren’t the only ones humiliated at the Election

July 4, 2016

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It’s hilarious to witness the goons at the LNP attempt to lay the blame of the election outcome at the feet of the Labor Party and attribute their monumental drubbing to a single last minute so-called “fear campaign.”

Make no mistake, this entire election campaign was orchestrated by Malcolm Turnbull, endorsed and championed by his sidekicks Morrison, Pyne and Bishop, and it’s those incompetent morons who should be held accountable for its outcome.

For the benefit of those with short memories including Leigh Sales and Chris Uhlmann, it was:

  • Malcolm who took the extraordinary step of proroguing Parliament
  • Malcolm who insisted that senate reform was necessary
  • Malcolm who went to the Governor General demanding a double dissolution election
  • Malcolm who insisted on a mammoth eight week election campaign

All this has been executed at great taxpayers’ expense, and now Malcolm finds himself with no mandate to govern, no authority to lead his own party, and a nation facing an impotent government for the next three years.

And if that’s not enough, he’s thrown in Pauline Hanson for good measure.

Of course his ego still thinks he can win, but his political career is over.

The silver lining is that he’ll join his predecessor as one of Australia’s shortest serving Prime Ministers.

 

 

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  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 5, 2016 9:53 am

    Of course they are not journalists. They are presenters. Other people do the research. On good day they can ask a tough question. That’s about it.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2016 10:31 am

    Emperor Malcum as no Clothes … nice to see others can see that too … now …

    Still, the Cayman’s are nice at this time of year …

    I wonder if SIR Peter began perusing his copy of the Australian Constitution at the beginning of the campaign or in the last couple of days?

    SIR Peter was a good selection for GG I think but one does have to be wary that the GG does have a leaning to the right … like many GG’s in the past … and one I especially remember from the 1970’s …

    What interesting times we Orstrailyuns embrace …

    In the meantime … a little tune for Emperor MALfunction …

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 6, 2016 8:07 am

    Xenophon and McGowan will be far more balanced than self important /verbose Ookebhott and the bitter old prick Windsor

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2016 9:02 am

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2016 10:09 am

    Meanwhile in Petrie we have another three years of Dumb Lukey sitting on his lazy, fat arse collecting $200/400,000 a year for doing sweet FA!

    He’s billed as a small business owner – that’s the business his old man built from scratch … when he retired he handed it over to, Lukey, (who had never worked in the business) … what a disaster that turned out to be …

    I used to have a beer with his old man after he did any work for us … when I first met Lukey Howorthless he’d just taken over and turned up as the new “owner” … I fucked him off within the first half hour … found him on his mobile, tromping around our lounge room* carpet in his dirty work boots … wanker!

    *that meant he’d also tromped through another two rooms without permission …

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2016 10:46 am

    People trust the Dr’s more than politicians, I saw signs about fee rises and petitions in waiting rooms, chemists and also pathology rooms.

    The real winners of the Mediscare campaign are doctors and the medical industry
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-real-winners-of-the-mediscare-campaign-are-doctors-and-the-medical-industry-20160704-gpyloz.html#ixzz4DaDGnKTL

    Malcolm Turnbull’s downfall was that he wasn’t allowed to lead
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/malcolm-turnbulls-downfall-was-that-he-wasnt-allowed-to-lead-20160705-gpyrmc.html

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2016 10:49 am

    An impoverished estate
    The Australian media prioritised personality over policy during this election campaign
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/russell-marks/2016/05/2016/1467688568/impoverished-estate

    …After interest rates hit “emergency lows” (in Abbott’s language) under the Labor government, they continued to drop under Abbott and Turnbull. Australia’s rate of productivity had flattened and then commenced a sharp decline under Abbott until Turnbull’s ascension. Inflation has continued unabated.
    And Australia’s truly horrific levels of household debt, which were holding relatively steady under Labor, have zoomed off into the stratosphere. Household debt is much more dangerous and much less serviceable than government debt, but the media’s entire focus has been on the latter.

    In a capitalist economy, where consumption is the end goal of production, it makes no sense to apply the brakes while economic activity is already sluggish. Yet all of the Abbott–Turnbull government’s policies have been designed to contract the economy. Cutting social spending means taking disposable income out of the pockets of low-income earners. Pursuing a budget surplus means withdrawing stimulus from the economy, and shifting the debt burden to households. Increasing the cost of primary services (such as general practitioners) can only lead to a greater burden on the much more expensive tertiary services (such as hospitals). None of this analysis formed any part of the election coverage in Australia’s news media. Whenever the ABC brought up the government debt (which is uncharacteristically expanding at the same time as household debt, which indicates a significant problem), Scott Morrison said it would be worse under Labor. And that was where the subject was left…

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2016 11:29 am

    Exclusive Brethren MET school gets record funding
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/exclusive-brethren-met-school-gets-record-funding-20160704-gpy31p.html

    …An exclusive private school run by an “extremist cult” that warns children to stay away from the outside world and bans its graduates from physically attending university receives more in government funding per student than up to a third of the state’s public schools.
    Data obtained by Fairfax Media from the MySchool website reveals that a school run by Protestant religious sect, the Exclusive Brethren, receives $800 more in public funding per student than Homebush West, which has been forced to ban children from running in its playground due to overcrowding.

    …In total, more than 600 public schools across the state receive less public funding per student than the Brethren institution, which has been rebranded as part of the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church…

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2016 12:59 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull’s downfall was that he wasn’t allowed to lead

    Nah, KL, his downfall was that he can’t lead … No Clothes … ie “he’s a successful business man, y’know” … translation … “he’s got a lot of money” … somewhere, just not in Australia …

    How’s that help jobs n growth … investing in a foreign country …

    Aussies are easy going but we’re not dumb …

    Milkum has too many chinks in the non-existent armour …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Australian media prioritised personality over policy during this election campaign

    The Australian media has a lot to answer for in so many unprofessional ways! Needs a real shake up … even the ABC has become shonky with Uhlman and that twit from Sky now making rather silly opinion statements … and Tony Green is just a wandering geek …

    Bill Shorten says “there is a chance that Turnbull may be considering a snap election” and the ABC says … “but he has no evidence” … chance and may should tell you that he’s speculating not saying Turnbull will do it … bunch of highly paid opinionated Fuckwits™!

    Inflation has continued unabated.

    It’s actually unhealthily low – thus the extremely low interest rates …

  10. July 6, 2016 1:41 pm

    “Milkum has too many chinks in the non-existent armour …”

    It’s that sort of casual racism that’s so quintessentially typical of people from Queensland…

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2016 2:37 pm

    Sorry, my bad, “Milkum has too many chinks in the non-existent armour …”

    Should read – “Milkum has too many poles holes in the non-existent armour …”

    Pauline would never have questioned me like that … must ask her about LGBTI and how we feel about them … I’ll get back to you …

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 6, 2016 2:40 pm

    There really is something odd about Queensland, they produce-
    • Pauline Hanson
    • Clive Palmer
    • Joh Bjelke Peterson
    • Vince Gair
    • Kevin Rudd
    • TB

  13. July 6, 2016 2:44 pm

    I read on Twitter the other day…

    “When god was thinking of paradise, he made Queensland. Why he filled it with dickheads is anyone’s guess..”

  14. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2016 2:55 pm

    Why he filled it with dickheads is anyone’s guess.

    cos Victoria had a sign up that said “piss off, we’re full of ’em already”

    btw, GREAT article reb. #mediafail

    mind you, it’s really just the way it’s been for several years now, although, the abc really stepped up to the plate in vacuous stupidity this time.

    It still shouldn’t be detroyed though, it should be rehabilited, with a clean out being the first step, top down.

  15. July 6, 2016 3:42 pm

    Thanks Tom..

    One thing that shits me is the way the media – especially including the ABC – have simply adopted the terminology “mediscare” campaign rather than even attempting a veneer of impartiality.

    Mind you witnessing J Bishop on ABC 730 last night and ScoMO on ABC radio this morning crying tears into their cornflakes over what Labor “has done to them” was priceless.

    The sense of entitlement of the born to rule mob is truly a thing to behold especially when they see the prize slipping between their fingers…

  16. July 6, 2016 3:42 pm

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  17. July 6, 2016 3:46 pm

    “the abc really stepped up to the plate in vacuous stupidity this time.
    It still shouldn’t be detroyed though, it should be rehabilited, with a clean out being the first step, top down.”

    The purge has already begun. 😆

  18. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2016 4:05 pm

    The purge has already begun.

    Yea, that’s not really starting at the top, in fact, it’s just another example of them silencing dissent, which seems to have become quite blatant these days.

    Just ask Nick Ross

  19. July 6, 2016 4:15 pm

    “Any commitment been given that archived ABC Drum articles will be retained now that the site has been closed?”

    No worries. They’re safely stored away in the Ultimo dungeon basement. They’re sure to be in high demand.

  20. July 6, 2016 4:51 pm

    Don’t know how we’ll get by without this , either. It’s a Unit, forcrissakes!

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2016 4:53 pm

    “seriously @corybernardi, if you were any more in the closet you’d be in Narnia”

    🙂 🙂 There isn’t enough humour lately.

  22. July 6, 2016 5:57 pm

    Can’t wait till Ms Clinton’s the commander-in-chief leader of the free world POTUS.

  23. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2016 6:04 pm

    It’s funny watching all the outrage of Clinton having a private email account.

    Just like malcayman does.

  24. July 6, 2016 6:09 pm

    “It’s funny watching all the outrage of Clinton having a private email account.”

    Oh, is that all it’s about? My bad. 🙄

  25. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2016 6:15 pm

  26. July 6, 2016 6:17 pm

    Three (1) word (2) slogans (3). Labor doesn’t use ’em.

  27. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2016 6:18 pm

    “Oh, is that all it’s about”

    What, there’s more?

    To be honest, I really don’t follow us politics. Ours is depressing enough

  28. July 6, 2016 6:24 pm

    “To be honest, I really don’t follow us politics.”

    Doesn’t stop you making snarky, uninformed comments though. 🙂

  29. July 6, 2016 6:32 pm

    “”Doesn’t stop you making snarky, uninformed comments though””

    Jesus, if that’s the benchmark no one would say anything around these parts.

  30. July 6, 2016 6:34 pm

    “Jesus, if that’s the benchmark no one would say anything around these parts.”

    Too right.

  31. July 6, 2016 6:46 pm

    post,,,,,All this has been executed at great taxpayers expense,,,,,

    # ,, Yes it was. And it would have been very easy to have a 3rd-box along-side the other ballot-boxes for say `yellow` ballot-papers, which could have had QUESTIONS on them, such as,

    Q1.Should the Canberra Govt stop opposing Voluntary Euthanasia, Y? N? A?

    Q2.Should the Canberra Govt stop opposing Gay Marriage, Y? N? A?

    # ,, The canberra fcukwits could `actually` gather some `directional` information at election times and give them a `basis` to practice some actual `democracy` at very little co$t of taxpayer hard-earned.

    # ,, lnstead, the fcukwits `choose` to burn 150-to-200-mill of taxpayer cash on teh plebiscite.

  32. July 6, 2016 6:46 pm

  33. July 6, 2016 8:28 pm

    I can’t imagine the lying rodent is going to sleep well tonight…

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  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2016 11:46 pm

    I can’t imagine the lying rodent is going to sleep well tonight…

    I heard that story on my way home tonight reb.

    I think the three amigos will sleep like babies. They have no consciences.

    I heard Blair say that he “acted in good faith” as if that means he’s exonerated and didn’t need to use good judgement, caution and exhaust all UN measures.

    Is that all you need to do to justify taking a country to war and killing hundreds of thousands of innocents?

    Can we all get away with murder by saying ‘oh but I acted in good faith’

    They rushed into war with glee and no amount of soldier honouring, medals and minute silences will takes away the pain of death and destruction they caused.

    That not nearly enough, I want the Hague and trials.

  35. July 7, 2016 12:52 am

    the,,,,Hague and trials,,,,#and Jail for the three of`em, for mass murder and destruction of iraq, but it shouldn`t stop there either, spill-over into syria and now turkey is based on their so-called wmd invasion. Then there is Libya too, which teabag-media `nearly` totally ignore.

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 1:08 am

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2016 9:47 am

    The attack on Blair is merely incompetent leftist loon Corbyn trying to deflect criticism of his miserable showing in the Brexit debate.

    Getupthemselves! must be chuffed, but I don’t know how many greying public servants will hear Cory’s call.

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:05 am

  39. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:15 am

    Trouble in Paradise.

  40. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:26 am

    Whilst there is plenty of jibbering about the major parties winning/losing seat and lots of media commentary I notice Richard De Nitale is a bit quiet about losing a Greens Senator from South Australia.

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:39 am

    …but I don’t know how many greying public servants will hear Cory’s call…

    Cory’s just looking for more conservative power within the libs. They should call his bluff and tell them to leave the coalition and form his own party and take kevin, abetz and the others with him. The libs would be liberated from their nonsense if they go and perhaps able to attract more voters their way.

    How many votes do you reckon cory’s mob would get in an election?

  42. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:40 am

    Chilcot’s judgment is utterly damning

    Will any within the msm ask howard his opinion?

    Labor warned them at the time they were making a mistake.

    As for Di Natale, shouldn’t the question be, WHY do the libs STILL not accept that their problem lies with their 2014 budget, which they were still trying to sneak past the electorate. Luckily, enough of the electorate were awake to it. If the msm did their job, more would be.

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:40 am

    Been checking the election results around the traps (why are they all fkn different?) and reading comments …

    I’ve never heard of sore winners before … but there seems to be a lot of tories around whinging about losing seats and Pauline Hanson and preferential voting and anything else they can think of … knowing

    But not much now about the The Emperor … finally exposed as a fraud … maybe that’s what it is … and they something to blame for his abject failure … its always someone else’s fault … preferential voting, opposition tactics, stupidity of voters, the senate vote, on and on …

    Maybe if policies were directed at sustaining Australian society rather than pumping profits into international business and banking they may crack the ideal – Diktat …

    … oh, and lets’ not forget the biggest and boldest liars of all … the Liberal Party … the 2014/15 Budget will go down in history …

    I stillprefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

  44. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:42 am

    Fairytale policies ??????????????

    Increasing single pension by $100 pfn and couples by $150 pfn
    No including home is assets test
    No further sales of public assets
    Citizen initiated referendums
    Pro euthanasia policies
    Allow young Australians upto the age of 38 to use Super to help purchase a home
    Better country of origin labeling laws to assist Australian industries
    Better training programs in university and trades education

  45. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:49 am

    why are they all fkn different?

    I have noted that the abc always lean towards the libs with undecided, claiming victory when it is undecided.

    They even called it a draw one night when Labor actually had more seats tallied.

    The biggest exposure this election has been the total surrender of the abc to the liberals will. When next yabot asks, are you with us, the answer will be unanimous.

    And, leighthelib sales has been exposed as the light weight cheerleader she has always been

  46. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:50 am

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:54 am

    the 2014/15 Budget will go down in history …

    For the good of Australia that was the time to get the budget back into surplus but Australians did not want to

    I stillprefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

    It is the greed of ALP supporters as to why we are still in deficit. Put everything on the Mastercard and stuff the next generation

    ALP supporters like to think they have a superior morality whereas the reality is that they only care about themselves

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:00 am

    But not much now about the The Emperor … finally exposed as a fraud …

    Fine TB, but it seems that he’s beaten Shorten, so what does that make your man?

  49. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:04 am

    “The Bali bombing, the #lindtcafe siege, “would not have happened”…”

    That’s up there with the stoopid butterfly flaps its wings in Africa and an aircraft crashes in South America 3 hours later crap

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:04 am

    And, leighthelib sales has been exposed as the light weight cheerleader she has always been

    Really? I think you’re just unhappy that your mob has been beaten. With any luck, your man Shorten will stay in the job for another 3 years, by then he will be the longest serving opposition leader not to win an election!

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:05 am

    I just saw andrew wilkie’s presser on abc24, he’s absolutely vindicated in every way, he foretold all that has happened since the illegal war commenced

    Will we ever see john howard face such an inquiry into our involvement? Will we ever see andrew bolt facing an inquiry?

    Thank goodness for decent people like wilkie in australian politics, he’s head and shoulders above the rest and john howard and his media mates vilified him.

  52. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:06 am

    “The Bali bombing, the #lindtcafe siege, “would not have happened”…”

    And if only Truman had not dropped a couple of big bombs the World might have had even better Toyotas, Nissans and Hondas

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:14 am

    Put everything on the Mastercard and stuff the next generation

    They have to put everything on the mastercard because everything has been privatised and public services are completely run down and understaffed/under financed. That is why private debt is sky high and more of a concern than government debt. There is more to economics than balancing the budget. You don’t worry about leaving an even larger debt burden to the next generation with climate change cleanup, education and medical expenses.

    Libs are economic vandals. There will always be higher private debt, higher corporate welfare, higher unemployment, lower wages and lower public services under a liberal govt!

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:17 am

    “The Bali bombing, the #lindtcafe siege, “would not have happened”

    This is typical of the utter genius of the left wing commentariat.

    The Bali bombing took place in 2002. Well before the Iraq war. But that will not stop the lefty moonbat pack caterwauling their ignorance. Getting it right is not nearly as important as moral posturing and virtue signalling.

    Scratch a leftist – find a goose!

  55. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:21 am

    “Thank goodness for decent people like wilkie in australian politics, he’s head and shoulders above the rest and Julia Gillard broke her promise to him and stabbed him in the backjohn howard and his media mates vilified him.

    Fixed for ya. Again.

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:23 am

    AO

    Unemployment is always higher under Labor. It all started with Saint Gough who was handed unemployment at 2% and promptly doubled it to 4%.

    Name me one Labor govt that has reduced unemployment. Answer= none

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:49 am

    Fine TB, but it seems that he’s beaten Shorten, so what does that make your man?

    Ask yer mate the punter?

    Well considering the doping up that the media gave “your man” … Shorten came from behind like the man he appears to be … of the people …

    In fact he surprised the shit out of me … and obviously thousands – nay millions of other proud Australians …

    And, BTW, he banks in Australia …

  58. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:50 am

    Monster of delusion – No Australian media

    Sorry ao, just saw that. But yes, missing in action.

    Put everything on the Mastercard

    If mastercard had rates of 2%, I bloody well would!

    I think you’re just unhappy that your mob has been beaten

    Do you really think going from an absolute trouncing to essentially a draw is being beaten? That’s hilarious.

    The best part is, in three years time (should this mob last that long), Labor (led by Bill Shorten) are in a prime position to do a reverse trouncing.

    Watching the media collective then will be interesting.

    Is there any doubt any more that without the support of the media, the libs would already be a husk.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:54 am

    Really? I think you’re just unhappy that your mob has been beaten.

    I don’t think any ALP supporter can be disappointed … knocking off a landslide 10% swing to the LNP is a massive win …

    No mandate … careful consideration of governance … the upper house to weave through … no-one is unhappy …

    Apart from the obvious lemming mentality of the media … look ther’ be a dragon … !

    I cannot think of one journo that I would trust as far as a Liberal Party restaurant!

  60. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:55 am

    The Bali bombing took place in 2002. Well before the Iraq war

    True, bu doesn’t change the essential truth behind it all. We had been sticking our nose into foreign disputes with only our interests in mind. Do you recall Timor

  61. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:55 am

    Just fer nil

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:59 am

    Libs are economic vandals. There will always be higher private debt, higher corporate welfare, higher unemployment, lower wages and lower public services under a liberal govt!

    Hear! Hear!

    And the reason they are whinging is that the election was so close they can’t/won’t get their weaselling way as easily as before …

    MasterCard … who uses a fkn mastercard …

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:01 pm

    Thank goodness for decent people like wilkie in australian politics, he’s head and shoulders above the rest and Julia Gillard broke her promise to him and stabbed him in the back – John Howard and his media mates vilified him.

    If you are going to continue to edit other people’s comments … do it correctly!

  64. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:03 pm

    “Shorten came from behind like the man he appears to be…”

    If he did why doesn’t the current ALP Primary Vote reflect that ?

    By the way the Primary Vote for the ALP is still falling due to the current strong flow of postal votes to the LNP

  65. July 7, 2016 12:03 pm

    “The Bali bombing took place in 2002. Well before the Iraq war. ”

    You just don’t get it do you splatterbottom? Facts aren’t important when you’re claiming the moral high ground.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:05 pm

    BREAKING] S&P revises Australia outlook to negative from stable; rating affirmed at AAA

    FUCK! Even Standard & Poors are Liberal supporters … is that why they missed the GFC!

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:07 pm

    Hear! Hear!

    You are just a deluded or immoral human being TB. All 3 Labor govts in the lifetimes of Australians were economic disasters

    I stillprefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

    A large chunk of the Australian population is on govt welfare. Throw in Public servants and anybody else working for the govt and you have close to half the country spounging off private enterprise. People vote for self interest. Only a fool would think otherwise

  68. July 7, 2016 12:08 pm

    Maybe the Iraq war wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t for the Bali bombings being so fresh in the memories of Blair, Bush and Howard. The chicken and the egg.

  69. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:11 pm

    Other breaking news.

    Mike Baird has banned Greyhound racing in NSW

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/nsw-premier-mike-baird-announces-ban-on-greyhound-racing-after-special-commission-of-inquiry-20160707-gq0fw3.html

    Call me a Lefty …………………….. I actually agree with that.

  70. July 7, 2016 12:11 pm

    “FUCK! Even Standard & Poors are Liberal supporters”

    Yes, how dare they maintain our AAA rating? It’s more important to make the Libs look bad, even if it’s bad for the country.

  71. July 7, 2016 12:14 pm

    I don’t bet on dish lickers, so couldn’t care less. But I do know greyhound racing is quite a big industry. This will affect thousands of people.

  72. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:20 pm

    “This will affect thousands of people.”

    Probably.

    But dogs emerged with us from caves and forests. We basically dont chase prey these days nor do most dogs.

    They should just chase balls. Something many of us should probably also do with them rather than punch keyboards all day

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:21 pm

    BREAKING] S&P revises Australia outlook to negative from stable;

    We have been downgraded from stable to negative. Next will be the loss of our AAA thanks to TB, Walrus, AO, Reb, Toilet, Rudd, Gillard.

    It is a certainty because greedy Australians do not want to run surplus budgets. Has there ever been a more self centered deadbeat than TB of Queensland?

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:28 pm

    The terror threat we face in this country right now is a direct result of Howard’s decision to invade-Wilkie

    Yep. If Muslims in Australia are disaffected about our foreign policy or anything else then we need to change our policies to get in line with their thinking. Otherwise the “terror threat we now face …..”

    In lefty la-la land every day is Take It Up The Arse For Islam Day.

    Take for example the letter from the mongrel Grand Mufti of Australia which is little more than a veiled threat that if people continue to criticise Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, the elected President of the Australian National Imams Council, then the Muslim youth might take it the wrong way and hearken to the message of ISIS. Obviously the vile Sheikh Shady is not part of a “tiny minority”. And criticising him, according to the Wilkie approach will only inspire further terror.

    The real problem here is that the “official Muslims” have views aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood. They should be shunned by our political leaders in favour of those who are more democratically attuned. And we should not hesitate to criticise those with vile views.

  75. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:29 pm

    “…….thanks to TB, Walrus, AO, Reb, Toilet, Rudd, Gillard.”

    No….No….No…..that no longer washes.

    By your own admission you didn’t even vote LNP.

    As this has occurred post-election you also own the responsibility now by voting for instability.

    Delcons are so dishonest with the Truth.

    Never trust a Delcon…….they are the most dishonest low lives I have ever sseen.

    ALP supporters are far more trustworthy

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:32 pm

    “Call me a Lefty ……………………..”

    You fucking leftist. The bookies will be sending round the heavies to cut off your tusks, use them to stake you out in the back yard and let a dozen starving greyhounds feast on you.

  77. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:41 pm

    “The bookies will be sending round the heavies to cut off your tusks, use them to stake you out in the back yard and let a dozen starving greyhounds feast on you.”

    I dare not look at myself in the mirror

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:42 pm

    By your own admission you didn’t even vote LNP.

    It is not over until the fat lady sings. Who knows, my vote may cause Turnbull to resign and join the Labor Party

    We can only hope.

    For the first time in my life i did not vote for the Liberals in the lower house but i did vote for Conservative candidates. And for the first time i voted below the line in the Senate and put Conservative 1-12. ALP/Greens did not get a vote.

  79. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 12:59 pm

    “For the first time in my life i did not vote for the Liberals in the lower house …….”

    So being a Delcon you voted 1 for Anarchy.

    Our credit rating would have been OK under for a while.

    But no……..stupid Delcons like yourself voted for instability.

    At least ToSY has always been conservative. But you are just like a crying/screaming/shitting/pissing/vomiting 1 year old tossing the toys out of the cot.

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 1:02 pm

    Walrus

    Your stupid comment just confirms to me you feel guilty about voting for Rudd in 2007.

  81. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 1:04 pm

    It is a comment upon your stupidity……it’s not a stupid comment.

    Bloody Anarchist !

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 1:07 pm

    Like i said Walrus your comments confirms to me that you have a guilty conscience.

    But at least you have a conscience.

    I could not vote for Turnbull after what he did

  83. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 1:10 pm

    “The negative outlook on Australia reflects our view that prospects for improvements in budgetary performance have weakened following the recent election outcome,”…….
    “Given the outcome of the July 2, 2016, double-dissolution election, in which neither of the traditional governing parties may command a majority in either house, we believe fiscal consolidation may be further postponed.”

    Note to our resident Delcon it reads ……….”neither of the traditional governing parties may command a majority ”

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

    Even S & P are saying IT IS YOUR FAULT

  84. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 1:15 pm

    Toooo funny Walrus

    Just own up and admit your were wrong for voting for Rudd in 2007

  85. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 1:20 pm

    “Toooo funny Walrus”

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

    You have finally betrayed Australia’s future prosperity with your selfish desire for our own version of Anarchy.

    Shame………Shame………….Shame !

  86. July 7, 2016 2:12 pm

    “”No….No….No…..that no longer washes.

    By your own admission you didn’t even vote LNP.””

    WALRUS IS RIGHT!!

    You have single-handedly destroyed this country!

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 2:39 pm

    Worse than all the wars we’ve fought for other people – in – their – own – countries — mmmm …

  88. July 7, 2016 2:58 pm

    “”Ratings agency S&P has moved Australia’s credit outlook from stable to negative””

    You did that Neil…. YOU!

  89. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 3:43 pm

    Message for NoS the Anarchist………………..

    Shame……………..Shame………………………..Shame

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 4:27 pm

    Neil has ruined the country and betrayed his own party!

    That is shameful.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 4:27 pm

    Katter is certainly ignorant enough to play with the Coalition (reminder- he was in the Nats!)

    What’s wrong with this comment from Katter today … ?

    Katter unplugged:

    Let’s deracialise the issue. The government has been bringing 620,000 people into Australia each year. The economy has only got 200,000 jobs and over 200,000 school leavers. I mean is this madness? The whole country’s economy must collapse. I mean clearly, 500,000 people are forced on to the dole each year as a result of the government bringing 620,000 people into the country. As far as I’m concerned, it’s in line with the job creation which will be down to 100,000 and if you go to persecuted minority groups, and I will be very specific, the Christians in the Middle East, the Jews in the Middle East and other parts of the world and the Sikhs in India, they will fill your 100,000.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2016/jul/07/malcolm-turnbull-to-meet-bob-katter-as-coalition-inches-towards-government-politics-live

    This twit has been on the public teat since 1993!

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 4:30 pm

    neel, has demonstrated just how selfish he is … not only destroying the economy but society as well … its been his plan all along …

  93. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 4:49 pm

    Using my limited hacking skills I was able to hack into Neil’s computer and without him realising I was able to take a webcam snap of him contemplating his next evil comment

  94. July 7, 2016 4:55 pm

    And he was on Mad as Hell last night..

  95. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2016 4:58 pm

    Mad As Hell was awesome last night. (Not that I watch the leftist ABC)

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 5:11 pm

    Well it looks like all the people who voted for Rudd in 2007 are out in force. Thankfully i did not vote for Rudd in 2007.

    It should be noted that in 2006 Costello celebrated debt free day. In 2007 our debt was reduced even further to minus 3.8% of GDP ie less than zero.

    Nine years latter debt is now at 18% of GDP and we are now going to lose our AAA credit rating.

  97. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 5:13 pm

    “(Not that I watch the leftist ABC)”

    You mean if, in a hypothetical World, you actually did watch it last night you are sure it would have been funny.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 5:38 pm

    Mad As Hell was awesome last night. (Not that I watch the leftist ABC)

    LOL! Fkn GOLD!

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 5:41 pm

    Does latter rhyme with Katter … its a fkn secret message … kunning … so kunning …

    neel is now trying to bring Milkum down via Katter … of course!

    Katter wants to shoot ’em all! Is he a Muslim? neel, I mean not Bob!

    Three years of LNP in power has finally taken neel over the edge …

    What a plot!

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 5:58 pm

    AEC

    ALP previous parliament 55 … this one 71 …

    Answer yer earlier question, ToMMY?

    Guess two more for ALP and three for Libs …

    What a schmozzle MALfunction has created … decision maker – my arse … leader – my arse … man for the people – my arse … Robber Baron for big business – absofknlutely … rich, spoilt, sook – absolutely!

    Prime Meddler material … careful what you wish for …

    Malcolm Turnbull is a LOSER in so many ways! I blame The Mad Abbott …

    MALfunction needs to go and live in the Caymans* and invest his dough in Australia …

    http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-20499.htm

  101. July 7, 2016 6:14 pm

    “Malcolm Turnbull is a LOSER in so many ways! I blame The Mad Abbott …”

    Yeah, that makes sense.

  102. Walrus permalink
    July 7, 2016 6:21 pm

    “ALP previous parliament 55 … this one 71 … ”

    The story of this election can be told via the seat of Lindsay in Western Sydney where a conservative Liberal resigned from the Liberal Party and ran against the sitting Liberal AND PREFERENCED the ALP.

    And idiot Delcons like Neil probably voted for him. And now the country if fucked !

    Plus the trend of postal votes tells the story of the Mediscare campaign (whether you believe it or not) and its effects

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2016 6:53 pm

    Plus the trend of postal votes tells the story of the Mediscare campaign (whether you believe it or not) and its effects

    C’mon, wally…

    … even the LNP (call it was it is) said they would gain from the postal votes … what bothers me is that the postal votes go back to the party who sent them … surely the self addressed envelope should go to the AEC …

    The voting system in this country is so archaic and I’m beginning to believe hasn’t changed since 1901!

  104. July 7, 2016 7:19 pm

    AO,,,,,,and take kevin, abetz and the others with him. The libs would be liberated from their nonsense if they go and perhaps able to attract more voters their way.

    How many votes do you reckon cory’s mob would get in an election?,,,,,,,

    # ,, lsn`t the voting results bizarre armchair, l am pretty sure tassie has cleared-out the teabags and has gone `red` everywhere, except for wilkie, then, in the senate they retain the bitter and looney teabag-abetz. l wonder what kick-backs are in play to keep abetz around.

  105. July 7, 2016 7:34 pm

    boo-melb,,,,,,,,,will stay in the job for another 3 years, by then he will be the longest serving opposition leader not to win an election!,,,,,,,,#yaaaay.blib

    # ,, of course blib is cemented-in as a long-term opposition leader, the `team` failed to learn their lesson from the jooLiar-era for knifing kevin07, thus they failed to `clean-house` of the `betrayers`, then they doubled-down the team-stupidity and made one of the betrayers team-leader and over-riding `membership-will` in the process.

    # ,, But l really don`t mind, blib is a great asset for building `indi-greenz-xeno-other` support (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: #yaaaaay.blib

  106. July 7, 2016 8:01 pm

    AO,,,,,wilkie`s presser on abc24, he`s absolutely vindicated in every way,,,,,

    # ,, yes armchair, yes wilkie was, absolutely

    # ,, john-w and blair were all too quick to present themselves in the `all-fours` position to george-w to obtain `favorite-pet` status from an american prez

    # ,, now blair and john-w will be continually returned to their `all-fours` position to receive their `Legacy` from folks like Chilcot and Wilkie (-: (-: (-: (-: #Go.Chilcot #Go.Wilkie

  107. July 7, 2016 8:31 pm

    (Not that I watch the leftist ABC)

    # ,, l wish my leftist abc stopped showing inane blot`n credlin clips #reheat.the.krakan

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 10:26 pm

    I think john howard had a touch too much make-up on in that ‘no regrets, no apologies’ presser, the ABC make-up dept has obviously had some staff cuts.

    # ,, lsn`t the voting results bizarre armchair, l am pretty sure tassie has cleared-out the teabags and has gone `red` everywhere, except for wilkie, then, in the senate they retain the bitter and looney teabag-abetz. l wonder what kick-backs are in play to keep abetz around.

    Apparently abetz has iron fist control over the libs in tassie. No surprise that abetz is no 1 on the ticket and malcolm’s man [?coleman] was delegated almost unwinnable no 5 position. It’s all about shoring up a delcon power block in the libs. Note there are no women in abetz senate ticket too.

    What good sense tassie showed in swinging hard to the ALP.

    Business backlash for Liberals’ Federal Election priorities
    http://www.themercury.com.au/news/national/federal-election/business-backlash-for-liberals-federal-election-priorities/news-story/6d1bb7443b601a9e69c28d282cb417d4

    ..THE Federal Liberal Party in Tasmania has lost touch with “the average person on the street” and business deserted it during the Federal Election campaign, the state’s biggest commerce group says…

    TASMANIAN Liberal powerbroker Eric Abetz says thereis no need for a state-based autopsy of the federal election campaign despite the party losing its three sitting MPs.
    http://www.themercury.com.au/news/politics/federal-election-eric-abetz-backs-hierarchy-after-amigos-swept/news-story/ff9c4405718ab8490b75d85b29ef8c5e

    Senator Eric Abetz: why dumping me was a big mistake
    http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/senator-eric-abetz-why-dumping-me-was-a-big-mistake-20160311-gngg6e.html#ixzz4Dj0f1Yy0

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:00 pm

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:24 pm

    Paul Keating on John Howard & Chilcot.

    The Bali bombings happened in 2002. The invasion of Iraq happened in 2003.

    What is keating saying?

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2016 11:36 pm

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:08 am

    😆

  113. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2016 7:21 am

    I see that sales was gushing in her admiration for Howards ability to remain resolute in the face of overwhelming evidence contrary to his stance

    That’s truly embarrassing leigh

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2016 9:21 am

    • Abbott is a throwback to the 50s
    • Shorten is a puppet of the unions (like Andrews)
    • Turnbull is that he is in the party that contains Abbott and his mates

    A hung parliament with (on this occasion) some sensible independents, may not be a particularly bad outcome, given the options

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2016 9:22 am

    • Turnbull is that he is in the party that contains Abbott and his mates

  116. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 9:50 am

    “The voting system in this country is so archaic and I’m beginning to believe hasn’t changed since 1901!”

    I agree.

    I think everyone should be sent a code in kind of like a scratchie to be scratched only at the polling station.

    Once done they key the code into a computer as their ID (widescreen due to Senate) the screen then displays the HoR ballot paper and using touch technology they number the boxes on screen, then “Lodge” (if its intentionally informal they must acknowledge that then “Lodge” regardless). Then pretty much same with Senate.

    Then they also print their 2 ballots and also put them in a secure box as per current system.

    Hey Presto !

    The preliminary result is available at 6:01pm and to make it more transparent the physical ballots are counted by the AEC (no great rush) in the days following to ensure there is no discrepancy (i.e. computer hacking) before the election is confirmed by the AEC

  117. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 10:52 am

    I have bad news for you TB

    You are about to die………………..

    “RESEARCHERS have discovered new details about a disease which can kill humans in just 24 hours — with a simple sniff………”Researchers at Griffith University and Bond University have unearthed information about the pathogenic bacteria Burkholderia pseudomallei, which has been described as “prevalent” in Northern Australia and is responsible for the deaths of 89,000 people every year.”

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australian-researchers-discover-bacteria-kills-victims-in-a-day-and-it-only-takes-a-sniff/news-story/1f77eb9507bdcb8448d5bdea937d030b

  118. July 8, 2016 10:56 am

    “I think everyone should be sent a code in kind of like a scratchie”

    Interesting approach…

    How about a bingo game where some caller just randomly shouts out names and we just scramble to check them off on the vote card…

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 8, 2016 11:00 am

    I think the current system is OK. Better to be slow and steady and get the correct result. One main problem is that ID is not required to vote.

  120. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 11:03 am

    “Interesting approach…”

    Well it is a typically Australian way since voting for any of them is a Gamble.

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 8, 2016 11:19 am

    Not really. If you vote ALP you get increased unemployment, debt, trashed borders, trashed everything.

    The ALP exists only to destroy people.

  122. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 11:29 am

    “…….thanks to TB, Walrus, AO, Reb, Toilet, Rudd, Gillard.”

    “If you vote ALP you get increased unemployment, debt, trashed borders, trashed everything.”

    How many times do I need to remind you.

    Because you didn’t vote for the LNP you voted for Chaos or the ALP by default.

    So whenever you now say ………….thanks to TB, Walrus, AO, Reb, Toilet, Rudd, Gillard you might as well add Neil of Sydney to that list as you now have a fully paid membership of that Conga Line of losers………….

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 8, 2016 11:37 am

    Well it might be better for Australia if the ALP gets back in. The people smugglers are turning on the diesel engines, the ratings agencies are getting out their downgrade books, the unemployment agencies are getting ready for the increased unemployment.

    I am sick of fighting the ALP. If Australia wants Labor let them have them

    When they trash the country maybe people will wake up and see what the ALP really stands for.

  124. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 11:49 am

    “When they trash the country maybe people will wake up ……………..”

    Personally………….by then hopefully I’ll be laying on a beach in Bhoput earning 7%, sipping on a Singha, reading NoS on my Ipad still whingeing about the World and ready to pack my bags after 2 months and move onto my next sunny spot in Thailand or Malaysia for another 2 months

  125. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 11:51 am

    “Well it might be better for Australia if the ALP gets back in.”

    Well maybe you should vote directly for them next time rather than dilly dally around their fringes with you Delcons who often prefrerence the ALP first.

    Shame……………….Shame…………………Shame

  126. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 11:53 am

    Cant wait…………………..

  127. July 8, 2016 11:58 am

    “When they trash the country maybe people will wake up ……………..”

    Yes but as Walrus said the other day, it is YOU that trashed the economy. You destroyed the LNP’s chance of majority government due to your own shallow, selfish vendetta against Talcum.

    YOU RUINED THIS COUNTRY.

  128. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:01 pm

    You know i have never heard anybody from the ALP apologise for the damage they did to Australia.

    One of the first things the ALP did was abolish the Pacific Solution. 50,000 boat people latter, thousands drowned, thousands of acts of self harm in Gillards detention centers not one of them apologized. And 8,469 children locked up.

    They are too shameless to apologise. WE are not dealing with normal people here. We are dealing with immoral scum who can never admit they were wrong

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:06 pm

    … ready to pack my bags after 2 months and move onto my next sunny spot in Thailand or Malaysia for another 2 months

    I understand that, wally seeing that you live in Sydney … my 6% allows me to live in Queensland 12 months a year – beautiful one day – perfect the next!

    Its a pity but I have it on good authority that visas for anyone south of the border are now very limited … for a negotiable deposit I may be able to sort something out for you … let me know … 😉

    Note: Apparently pensioners just got a $2 pay increase … or $1 a week, or $0.1428 a day mmmm … generous …

  130. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:09 pm

    “Note: Apparently pensioners just got a $2 pay increase … or $1 a week, or $0.1428 a day mmmm … generous …”

    Spend it quickly. As per my earlier post people in Northern Australia only have 24 hours to live

  131. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:15 pm

    “You know i have never heard anybody from the ALP apologise for the damage they did to Australia.”

    And you put your vote into the hands of a Delcon who will have no influence whatsoever over the future running of the Country

    You effectively voted for Chaos.

  132. July 8, 2016 12:25 pm

    ” I’ll be laying on a beach in Bhoput earning 7%, sipping on a Singha, reading NoS on my Ipad still whingeing about the World and ready to pack my bags after 2 months and move onto my next sunny spot in Thailand or Malaysia for another 2 months”

    We’re not so different you and I… 🤔😳

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:37 pm

    We’re not so different you and I… 🤔😳

    LOL! I could just see you two lying alongside each other on a black sand beach! 😀

  134. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:40 pm

    “We’re not so different you and I…”

    Horrifying………………..!

    Penang is rather nice.

    What’s that area with all the hotels (I think just a little North of main Penang might be wrong) where the hotels front onto the beaches and all the paragliders congregate with the massage ladies ?

  135. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:41 pm

    Better than a fucking Pebble Beach like Brighton UK.

    Although Bournemouth is rather nice

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:43 pm

    As per my earlier post people in Northern Australia only have 24 hours to live

    Thanks for the heads up, wally, but I don’t live in N Oz … that’s over the Capricorn …

    Still I’m closer now to end of the conveyor belt than I was ten years ago, anyway … these days I just enjoy each day as it comes and love everyone equally … apart from a couple of people … more than a couple I suppose … well more than that … actually there’s quite a few give me the shits occasionally … well more than the shits – they fuck me right off …

    Well thanks for the fucking warning, arsehole!

    😉

  137. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:54 pm

    “Well thanks for the fucking warning, arsehole!”

    LOL

    I am a self made man you know

  138. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 12:55 pm

    And the Isle of Wight is rather nice…………….Yep been there too

  139. July 8, 2016 2:13 pm

    “”What’s that area with all the hotels””

    Batu Ferringhi.

    As it happens, I will be there next weekend…. 🙂

  140. July 8, 2016 2:16 pm

    “”I just enjoy each day as it comes and love everyone equally””

    Jesus christ.

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2016 2:28 pm

    Yes my son?

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2016 2:29 pm

    sreb, how do you know all this religious stuff?

  143. July 8, 2016 2:45 pm

    It was pummelled into me at a young age. Fortunately I met some more enlightened ppl later in life..

  144. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 3:48 pm

    “Batu Ferringhi.”

    Bastard…………………..I really liked the night food market they had next to our hotel. It was a huge roof structure open all sides with lots of food counters plus plenty of cheap restaurants with the night market of dodgy souvenirs accross the road.

    Satay Chicken………………………………..YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !

    Even those Moooooooooslim peoples were quite polite.

    Not like them A-Rab ones

  145. July 8, 2016 3:54 pm

    “”It was a huge roof structure open all sides with lots of food counters plus plenty of cheap restaurants with the night market of dodgy souvenirs accross the road.””

    That”d be the Long Beach food court…! I eat there all the time..!

    The stay chicken is to die for!

    The local Mooslims hate the Arab Mooslims BTW… They give the local ones a bad name…

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2016 4:08 pm

    I was in Phnom Penh about a week ago, I don’t think I’ll be back

  147. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 4:16 pm

    “That”d be the Long Beach food court…”

    Yep that’s it.

    It’s a very civilised muslim country Malaysia. In our hotel we could even get real bacon and eggs for breakfast.

    Unlike Egypt where for the very first time I had to make do with “Beef Bacon”

  148. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 4:20 pm

    “I was in Phnom Penh about a week ago, I don’t think I’ll be back”

    At least you dont have to be careful in not accidentally wandering into a previously unknown uncleared minefield (yep they still exist) or stumble over a piece of unexploded ordinance from a warplane from 50 years ago

  149. Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2016 4:22 pm

    “Keep Refrigerated”……………………..I wouldn’t go to that amount of trouble once opened

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2016 10:00 pm

    That”d be the Long Beach food court…! I eat there all the time..!

    The stay chicken is to die for!
    Oh FFS! Start a new Foodie Travelogue in Asia fred!

    🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I was in Phnom Penh about a week ago, I don’t think I’ll be back

    With you ToM … our trip to SE Asia didn’t impress me much …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Agree wally, open cook and eat!

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2016 10:00 pm

    or open, heat and eat?

  152. July 8, 2016 11:20 pm

    Lets play with guns! As we all know teabags, when teh-usa goes a tad stoopid two things automatically happen. One being, teh westboro-teabags will sooner or later turn-up to spout their `dog-hates-fa/gz` message of `Love` to those deep in misery. Two being, teh NRA-teabags will also roll-up to spout `the only thing that stops a bad-guy with a gun is, a good-guy with a gun`.

    After these recent `grassy-knoll` events, things are going to be very interesting.

    ,,,,,,,,Eleven police officers have been shot and five killed after snipers fired on officers at a Black Lives Matter protest in Dallas, officials said,,,,,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-08/dallas-police-shot-dead-by-snipers/7581276

  153. July 9, 2016 5:48 am

    CCTV-news, Dallas police chief (black-dude) on cornered dead sniper/gun-man said ,,,,,,,he wanted to kill white people particularly plod and was angry over `recent` police shootings of black-folk,,,,, #blow.back

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2016 8:59 am

    For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    Newton’s Third Law

    (eventually)

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 10:15 am

    I’m a bit confused now, is Dallas a terrorist attack or lone [mad] shooter or ambush shooter?

    Just heard on ABC that top police person blames social media.

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 11:01 am

    How GetUp! boosted Labor in Election 2016
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/07/09/how-getup-boosted-labor-election-2016/14679864003471

    …Senator Eric Abetz is a bad loser. The Tasmanian Liberal powerbroker, his army of far-right conservatives wiped out at the election, was bilious when he went on Lateline on Monday night…

    …More than any other factor, Abetz said, the GetUp! campaign was responsible for the 10.5 per cent swing that ended Nikolic’s political career…

    …But Abetz was wrong to focus on the amount of money spent. Wrong first because GetUp! spent only about a third of the claimed $500,000, and second because it was not the number of dollars that counted, it was the number of people. Not just in Bass, but all over the country.

    Ever since the election, the conservatives have been sniping at one another about the reasons for their poor showing in Saturday’s election. But the key to it, the available evidence shows, is that the conservative parties lost the ground war. Their opponents outgunned them when it came to directly interacting with voters in vulnerable seats. They actually talked to the people.

    The GetUp! campaign was something unprecedented. It was by far the biggest, best-organised campaign run by an organisation not directly affiliated with a party…

    …Dickson, for example, held by the minister for immigration and border security, Peter Dutton, on a relatively healthy margin of 6.7 per cent, was not on the 22-seat list of the ACTU.

    That’s because the union list included seats simply on the basis of the margin by which they were held. Whether the incumbent was a moderate Liberal or the hardest of the hard right was of no concern to them.

    The GetUp! campaign, however, chose targets on a slightly different basis. Margins were a consideration but so was ideology. So they went after Dutton. He survived, but a swing of about 5 per cent against him means his seat is now marginal…

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 11:15 am

    Mediscare testing
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2016/07/09/mediscare-testing/14679864003463

    …Denniss says this election finally buried the effectiveness of trickle-down economics. A huge swath of the electorate simply did not buy that if you give tax cuts worth $50 billion to huge corporations, and tax cuts to those earning above $80,000, the benefits will trickle down to them. Especially as, even on the Treasury’s own modelling, those benefits were 11 years away and were minuscule. The jobs Turnbull was talking about were not theirs….

    …Research by the Australian National University has picked up a new mood in Australia, where a majority nominated as their preferred model a future based on community wellbeing rather than free enterprise or strong individualism…

    …And this leads to the potency of the “Mediscare”. Despite some reports suggesting this was a light-bulb moment late in the campaign, nothing could be further from the truth. An internal report on the strategy points out that Labor’s field and digital teams had been listening and learning from voters and gathering data and modelling on voters’ relationship to Medicare for two years…

    …The Australian reported that midway through the campaign the Liberals were running so short of cash they went cap in hand to billionaire James Packer. Labor, by contrast, had raised $1.1 million online from small donors over the campaign. According to the internal report, Labor raised more than $2 million during the election cycle. The report proudly concludes: “This is the most an Australian political party has ever raised online during a campaign.”

    Turnbull’s “I have a scream” speech on election night betrayed his anger and hurt. He was reluctant to even front the cameras. His difficulty coming to terms with a failure he blamed on Labor and everyone else, including the voters, had some of his closest allies worried. “The boss is in a bad place,” was the way it was put to me…

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 11:58 am

    Alarmism, economic idiocy, and Orwellian appointments: three years of political disaster
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/13/alarmism-economic-idiocy-and-orwellian-appointments-three-years-of-political-disaster?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …Can the relentless incoherence and incompetence of the government be attributed to a particular blend of capitalism and religion that has found favour in the US?…

    Journalism, power and taking sides: Tim Dunlop
    View story at Medium.com

    …What I’m interested in, then, is this: what is the underlying process or presumption that causes this disconnect between audience expectation and professional practice?

    As it happens, we were offered a bit of a window into the process by a Tweet made recently by Leigh Sales, the host of the ABC’s political program, 7.30. She made it after watching a press conference by former prime minister, John Howard…

    …Leigh Sales has one of the most high-profile political jobs in the land, but in Tweeting what she did she was telling her audience that she is maintaining standards and practices that fundamentally contradict their expectations.

    She and other journalists can, of course, simply dismiss all this as yet another example of the Twitter “echo chamber” and reassure themselves with declarations that Twitter is not representative of the wider audience, and that the views expressed there can be safely ignored.

    But I think that would be a mistake…

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2016 12:05 pm

    …Research by the Australian National University has picked up a new mood in Australia, where a majority nominated as their preferred model a future based on community wellbeing rather than free enterprise or strong individualism…

    Proving that most people …

    Prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 9, 2016 12:25 pm

    Prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

    Not really TB. You prefer to live in a country where the ALP is in power, no matter how corrupt immoral or dishonest.

    The reason people vote for the ALP is because of greed, They want free health, free education, free everything without doing any work

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 12:50 pm

    The reason people vote for the ALP is because of greed, They want free health, free education, free everything without doing any work

    None of those are free.

    People are happy to pay for it and own it [collectively’] through their taxes, not a privatised system where the usual rent seekers are handed the $ to exploit people without doing any work.

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2016 1:43 pm

    I really can’t comprehend why people have such an objection to making a small payment for their personal medical expenses.

    Any sensible debate political debate about that issue is now dead. Bizarre

  163. July 9, 2016 1:44 pm

    Dunlop did a good job on that one armchair, tho l disagree with,

    dunlop,,,,,Not in any sort of the-customer-is-always-right,,,,,,

    had dunlop known and explained to viewers that the taxpayer(customer)-funded my abc should not be operating on the low `advertising-marketing` level of `ethics` that commercial news-media are operating under (when they`re not hacking phones or organizing kidnappings off-shore) and understood windsors tweet was spot-on for what `should` be the level of ethics of my abc news and interviews.

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2016 1:54 pm

    I really can’t comprehend why people have such an objection to making a small payment for their personal medical expenses.

    1% Percenter … obviously … and doesn’t know anyone with a chronic or terminal disease …

    You’ll “comprehend” one day …

    If you prefer living outside the community that supports you I hear the Cayman’s are nice this time of year …

    I’m proud to have helped support four generations of Australians in my lifetime …

  165. July 9, 2016 2:06 pm

    dunlop,,,,,they will never get a chance to question John Howard  ..  turns into a frustration with the profession who they see as having the power to do something about their concerns, and failing to do it,,,,,#correct

    dunlop,,,,,No-one is right or wrong, both sides just have different expectations about the nature of the job,,,,,#back.flip

    # ,, or dunlop too doesn`t understand that news-media abdicating from holding power to account when the rest of us can`t, is `devaluing` itself to the viewers (which mirrors govt`s gutting themselves by abdicating to collect enough tax to operate itself, same type of stupidity)

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2016 2:16 pm

    TELSTRA is cutting more than 300 customer service jobs as it continues to outsource call centre work to the Philippines.

    “We have talked to our people about a proposal to make changes to our contact centre and Telstra business teams that will see a total of 326 roles impacted nationally,” Telstra said.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/telstra-outsourcing-leads-to-job-cuts-across-australia/news-story/09635d7a3c9c90089a196723235218c0

    Who on earth thinks this is acceptable?

    Jobs and growth?

    Give big business a tax break and it will lead to more jobs – – – in the Phillipines? (Currently being controlled by a madman?)

    Yeah, great policy!

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2016 2:18 pm

    Without a price, anything is overused and becomes inefficient. If an employee wants a medical certificate to get a day off work, I don’t see why they can’t pay. And I’m qite ok to have old aged pensioners exempted.

    The current system will collapse at some point unless there is a better system of allocating scarce medical resources

  168. July 9, 2016 2:20 pm

    ,,,,I really can`t comprehend,,,,#correct

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2016 3:06 pm

    … dodgy assumptions are not worth replying to … but …

    ****Abolishing health insurance rebate would save $3b: analysis*****

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abolishing-health-insurance-rebate-would-save-3b-analysis-20140109-30kkc.html

  170. July 9, 2016 5:24 pm

    Progress from the AEC: “1 of 150 House of Representatives seats have been declared.”

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 5:37 pm

    The current system will collapse at some point unless there is a better system of allocating scarce medical resources

    There is.

    Stop giving taxpayer’s funds and rebates to the private health industry and there will be plenty for a quality medicare for all citizens.

    Those who want to go outside that system should be happy to fund it themselves.

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 9, 2016 6:13 pm

    I see from the AEC website the Coalition have 76 seats which means they can form govt. But that is down from 90 seats at the last election. That change in leadership does not appear to have worked out so well.

    Anyway it most probably does not matter how many seats the Coalition have, they do not have numbers in the Senate to pass legislation

  173. July 9, 2016 6:57 pm

    ,,,,Without a price, anything is overused and becomes inefficient,,,,#penicillin

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2016 7:58 pm

    especially for STDs … (or whatever they changed it to)

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 8:24 pm

    …Without a price, anything is overused and becomes inefficient…

    Plain and utter BS that could only be uttered by a committed neoliberal.
    Luckily, the tide is turning against this nonsense.

    If an employee wants a medical certificate to get a day off work, I don’t see why they can’t pay.

    If the employer is demanding the medical certificate then he/she should pay for it. People don’t need to be bothering doctors with minor complaints like coughs and colds that fix themselves with rest and time.

    We all have days when we’re too sick to be at work, or have pressing family/carer needs and know that we’ll be OK the next day. Why not let the employee have the time off without a certificate? They’re only getting it because of an employer demand, that’s an inefficient waste of everyone’s time.

    Why Let them have a certain number of days off a year for personal health reasons and over and above that they should get a medical certificate.

    Medicare architect suggests making business pay for sick certificates
    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/medicare-architect-suggests-making-business-pay-for-sick-certificates-20150206-138eae

    …Employers, not employees, should pay for medical certificates because it is employers who need them, academic says…

    …Professor Deeble, who co-wrote proposals that formed the basis of Medicare, suggested the certificates employers require to verify a worker’s illness should be billed separately by Medicare, and the amount then recouped through a levy on business.

    “It’s got nothing to do with healthcare, so why not?” Professor Deeble said.

    “The person who requires the medical certificate is the employer. The [sick] person doesn’t want it. It is a service to business, because otherwise it would have to set up its own clinics, or they’d have to just accept their employees’ word.”…

  176. July 9, 2016 8:31 pm

    “”I see from the AEC website the Coalition have 76 seats which means they can form govt. “”

    No Neil, they only have 74.

    But if you had voted for them it would probably be 76.

    How can you sleep at night…?

  177. July 9, 2016 8:57 pm

    It’s devastating. Nobody had Neil pegged as a traitor. The country may never recover.

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 9:07 pm

    Where are you toiletboss??

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2016 9:25 pm

    How can you sleep at night…?

    😆 *snort* He doesn’t sleep, he waits

    It’s devastating. Nobody had Neil pegged as a traitor. The country may never recover.

    If we lose our AAA rating it will be entirely neil’s fault.

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2016 10:01 pm

    So advocacy of economics is neo liberalism these days.

    I’ll now know to ignore bulls**t labels in the future

  181. July 9, 2016 11:18 pm

    deeble,,,,,,The person who requires the medical certificate is the employer. The [sick] person doesn`t want it. It is a service to business,,,,,#so really teabags like boo-melb should be bleating incessantly for quacks to charge employers `directly` a fee (say-$70) for patient visits requiring a `sickie-cert` and not bill medicare, for teabag-flavored `efficiency` the `sickie-cert` and `invoice` could be all on the one sheet of paper.

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 1:36 am

    …You don’t need to be an economist to call out crap when you hear it. But unless people start calling it out and stop worrying about “what the markets think”, then one of the richest countries in the world, living at the richest point in world history, might continue to believe that we “can’t afford” to invest in a better health or education system. Indeed, we might even continue to believe that we need to double our coal exports in order to fund the fight against climate change.

    Economics doesn’t tell us that we need to cut taxes for the rich or cause climate change if we really want to help the poor. And “the markets” don’t tell us that either. Those are the sentiments of some wealthy people, and some politicians who represent them. But they say it in econospeak because it sounds so ridiculous in plain English…

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/july/1435672800/richard-denniss/clowns-and-treasurers

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 8:40 am

    I see, that’s interesting. But do you agree that we use money to distributed the stuff we use?

    Why is it that the left desperately wants a market (and price) on carbon and is so disdainful about using markets for other public policies?

  184. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 9:38 am

    …Why is it that the left desperately wants a market (and price) on carbon and is so disdainful about using markets for other public policies?…

    The left is quite rightly disdainful of the lassez faire market, the left also recognises the reality of the world we live in right now. The carbon price should have been the accepted mechanism to combat climate change in this market based economy of today. But liberal party donations rule and the rest is history. To deny the science is just cynical politics or plain stupidity imo.

    As I said, the tide of public opinion is turning, our political and corporate leaders should be worried.

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 9:53 am

    Yep, the left wants the market to regulate carbon, apparently because it is the most efficient way to allocate who produces it.

    But when a price is suggested as a mechanism to assist allocating other resources that are in short supply it’s neo liberalism

    That’s just hypocritical bulls**t

    (with the greatest of respect)

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 9:54 am

    It seems AO that you’re a neoliberal on those occasions you find convenient

  187. July 10, 2016 9:59 am

    teabag,,,,advocacy of economics,,,,#without any regard whatsoever to people or planet is neo-teabagism.

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2016 10:22 am

    But if you had voted for them it would probably be 76.

    I put my local Liberal candidate No 3 because this person supported Turnbull. I put two conservative candidates 1&2. I briefly thought about putting the Labor candidate at No 3 but i could not bring myself to do it. I should have checked but didn’t but under our preferential voting system i suspect the Liberal party will eventually get my vote.

    My Local liberal candidate lost the seat to labor.

  189. July 10, 2016 10:50 am

    ,,,,disdainful about using markets for other public policies?,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-10/unprecedented-10000-hectares-of-mangroves-die/7552968

    # ,, chuckle

  190. July 10, 2016 11:10 am

    Kitty- that article from The Monthly is great reading…

    It never ceases to amaze me how so many ppl pay so much attention to what these so-called “economists” have to say about anything when they really haven’t got a fkn clue.

    It was only six months ago they were saying our dollar would be at US 60 cents by now.

    Clueless, the lot of them.

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 11:10 am

    It seems AO that you’re a neoliberal on those occasions you find convenient

    I don’t know why you would think that tomM.

    But when a price is suggested as a mechanism to assist allocating other resources that are in short supply it’s neo liberalism

    What are these ‘other’ resources of which you speak?

    Medicare is certainly not in short supply, it has never had greater demand, it just needs to be funded properly and valuable resources not directed to people who use the private health system. Perhaps some public funding of the defence system could be reduced to put funding into the healthcare of all australians?

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 11:19 am

    Well, apparently it’s ok for you to suggest I’m a neoliberal because of my preference to use a price signal for a scarce resoure – because I think it will assist efficient allocation -of the resource, and limit over consumption.

    You have the same view about using price to limit over consumption of another resource.

    Therefore you seem to find neo liberalism convenient regarding your preferred policies. You’re a selective neo liberal

    Just like me apparently

  193. July 10, 2016 11:22 am

    “”What are these ‘other’ resources of which you speak?””

    That’s what I was going to ask.

  194. July 10, 2016 11:23 am

    “”a price signal for a scarce resource “”

    But healthcare isn’t a “scarce resource.”

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 11:26 am

    Kitty- that article from The Monthly is great reading…

    I thought so too reb, richard denniss easily explains the complex [non scientific] economic theatrics we get handed to us by politicians.

    I bought his book [only $10.00 ebook]

    https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/econobabble

  196. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 11:34 am

    Don’t you think crowded outpatients, the long queues in Medical rooms are examples of scarcity?

    You might prefer to think it is an essential service and therefore should be free. But we pay plenty for most essential goods and services.

    But the question remains – if it is neo liberalism to rely on a price for one form of public policy, why not apply same label to another policy that relies on the market/price?

  197. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 11:46 am

    Has wally got his own cartoon? 😆

    “…Well, apparently it’s ok for you to suggest I’m a neoliberal because of my preference to use a price signal for a scarce any resoure – …”

    With a little change and you have just explained neoliberal economics

    because I think it will assist efficient allocation -of the resource, and limit over consumption.

    Have you thought of any other ways that the allocation could be efficient? I’m sure there are plenty of health experts who can [and do] and ‘price signal’ is not the first and most effective one.

    If the government wants price signals, it should stop supporting health insurance
    https://theconversation.com/if-the-government-wants-price-signals-it-should-stop-supporting-health-insurance-38389

    …Whether by design or accident, the government seems to be undermining the principle of Medicare as a universal tax-funded program, paving the way for private health insurance to play a role in funding primary care.

    But private insurance, by its very nature, suppresses price signals and encourages over-servicing and cost escalation. It is an expensive way to fund health care…

    …Exempting the rich from price signals

    The specific co-payment idea came from the government’s Commission of Audit, which saw it as a first step in a stealthy but radical transformation of health services away from universalism, towards a US-style system with “an expanded role for private insurance” to “cover all services covered by Medicare and public hospitals”.

    Medicare would be reduced to a service for the “indigent” (to use the US term).

    Despite dumping the co-payment, health minister Sussan Ley still wants to “reduce the number of bulk billed consultations to people who can afford to pay something”. This suggests she sees Medicare as a charity or distributive welfare system, not a universal system as it was originally envisaged.

    As the freeze on Medicare reimbursements bites harder, bulk-billing will probably fall (as intended), resulting in mounting pressure on the government to change the legislation and permit private health insurance to cover the gap.

    The Commission hypocritically calls for people with means to take “individual responsibility for their health care”, but to be guided by “price signals” while they are herded into private health insurance.

    But private insurance is no more about “individual responsibility” than Medicare is: it’s still about handing over responsibility to a third party. Far from incorporating “price signals”, it simply changes the message from “Medicare will pay for it” to “HCF/BUPA/Medibank Private will pay for it”. This incentive for over-use is known as “moral hazard”.

    Co-payments and personal savings

    It’s easy to forget that we already have co-payments in health care. Out-of-pocket expenses, not covered by public or private insurance, account for 18% of health care expenditure, in line with other prosperous countries.

    But the breakdown of out-of-pocket expenses is messy and haphazard; a reflection of the “silo” arrangements in the health department. Expenses fall heavily on dentistry, specialist services and non-prescription medications. Many are uncapped, meaning the consumer is left bearing open-ended risk…

  198. July 10, 2016 11:48 am

    “Don’t you think crowded outpatients, the long queues in Medical rooms are examples of scarcity?”

    Nope I don’t. I see it as a lack of funding and poor planning.

    As KL mentions we spend billions on defence at the expense of health and education, not to mention the $50 billion dollar tax cuts for the top end of town.

    Health and education simply aren’t priorities for the LNP.

    I don’t think you can cry poor that something is scarce when the political reality is that it’s being deliberately starved.

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 11:52 am

    You have the same view about using price to limit over consumption of another resource.

    Actually, no I don’t tomM

    If you go back to years ago when we were all debating action on climate change, my preference was for a direct carbon tax and it still is.

    I would accept a carbon price, using the market mechanism that others prefer, over doing nothing at all.

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 12:17 pm

    “That’s the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things don’t work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital.”

    Noam Chomsky,

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 12:36 pm

    Yes, and I decided I’d be persuaded that the government was serious about climate change when they addressed the planning inefficiencies in their own system.

    Neo liberalism?

    so your position can be characterised as – when other policy mechanisms can’t be implemented, rely on price / market

    Neo liberalism at it’s finest!

  202. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2016 12:39 pm

    I thought so too reb, richard denniss easily explains the complex [non scientific] economic theatrics we get handed to us by politicians.

    Too bad Richard Dennis tells falsehoods. He is up there with Koukoulas in telling lies.

    Lie number 1 “Costello squandered a mining boom”

    The mining boom did not start until 2005 but the biggest boom in history happened from 2008-2013 ie under Rudd/Gillard who wasted the lot.

    Lie number 2 Rather than stockpile the windfall, Costello and Howard introduced permanent tax cuts

    There are 2 lies in that statement by DEnnis. Costello did stockpile the mining boom windfall from 2004-2007 into the Future Fund and there is no such thing as a permanent tax cut. Any tax cut is not permanent but can be legislated away and Gillard had the numbers to do so.

    No wonder you lefties agree with Dennis. Like attracts like

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 12:45 pm

    Domeone might just explain why it is in the public interest to have me (and everyone on my income) get “free” medical care?

    I just turn up to the doctor without coughing up a cent. Why exactly is it such a great thing (for low income earners to pay more tax) to give free things to high income earners?

    Apparently having high income earners pay for (part of) their own health care is neo liberalism

    That’s left logic

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 12:51 pm

    Someone…

    ( handwriting recognition doesn’t always work)

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 1:37 pm

    It’s a reasonable question. Why do people like reb and AO think it is neo liberalism to suggest that high income earners pay somethg to see a doctor?

    Is making rich people pay “neo liberalism”?

    That’s left logic for you!

  206. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 1:39 pm

    I just turn up to the doctor without coughing up a cent.

    That’s universal health care.

    Funny thing is, I always have to make a co-payment when I see my doctor.
    Some research showed that bulk billing is more prevalent in wealthy areas.

    Why exactly is it such a great thing (for low income earners to pay more tax) to give free things to high income earners?

    It is because you’re a neoliberal that you don’t see medicare for what it is, universal health care.

    To quote from the above given link:

    “…Despite dumping the co-payment, health minister Sussan Ley still wants to “reduce the number of bulk billed consultations to people who can afford to pay something”. This suggests she sees Medicare as a charity or distributive welfare system, not a universal system as it was originally envisaged…”

    We all pay tax [collectively] through our progressive tax system to fund our universal health care, so that all of us, rich and poor, have equal access to good quality health care. That is what medibank/medicare has been all about. Equality and equal access.

    It is where it has been distorted over the years [by both major parties] that the problems have arisen. The original concept of the universality of medicare has been bastardised to the point of no longer working as it should.

    Wealthy companies not paying the tax that they should, spending millions on accounting firms to dodge their tax liabilities.

    Offshoring of wealth to dodge tax

    The medicare rebate or tax concession for having private health insurance.

    Public funding of PHI and diversion of taxpayer funds to private enterprise which should be funding itself by the fees collected from the people who choose to use it.

    The liberals have hated medicare from the time of it’s inception, they have never supported a universal system of health care.

    Just to talk about ‘neoliberalism’ and my beliefs, of course you may have a different opinion and that’s fine, but I will never accept the desecration of our universal health care system..

    We now live under a global system of neoliberal economics, labor and liberal have both been fervent neoliberals for decades, as a consequence we are all neoliberals now [whether we want to be or not].
    Labor tries to make it more fair and reduce the inequality that comes with the market system through government intervention, but the liberals would rather practice lassez faire “let the market rip” economics and reduce or remove government interventions and leave the people who miss out in this great ‘market prosperity’ or have misfortunes in their lives to charity.

    Which is why I choose to vote for the greens.

    http://greens.org.au/healthcare

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 1:57 pm

    I see. So you prefer to have me (on a high income) just turn up to a doctor and pay nothing. Therefore imposing a higher burden on low income earners

    Longer queues and higher tax for them

    And your rationale is – i don’t understand because I’m a neoliberal and that’s universal health care!!

    Brilliant! FMD

  208. July 10, 2016 2:10 pm

    “”Funny thing is, I always have to make a co-payment when I see my doctor.””

    Oddly enough so do I. $80 for 15 mins, and I think I get $30 back on Medicare.

    The thing that shits me is that I have to see a doctor every 6 months just to get a repeat prescription. And you can’t get a repeat prescription without making an appointment. It’s just a fkn rort.

  209. July 10, 2016 2:14 pm

    “”So you prefer to have me (on a high income) just turn up to a doctor and pay nothing””

    I’m quite happy for you to pay as much as you like ToM. Perhaps you could just make a donation while you’re there.

    What I don’t like is ppl who can least afford being forced to pay for basic healthcare while multi-nationals are avoiding paying taxed we’re giving $50 billion in tax cuts to large corporations..

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 2:21 pm

    I go a doctor that just bulk bills. It happens to be the most convenient.

    I pay zero, nothing. It’s free!

    If you’re concerned about middle class welfare, why is health your special exemption?

    …and if you’re concerned about underfunding of health, why is it so abhorrent to have some means testing?

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 2:32 pm

    Bizarre! I’m in favour of limiting middle class welfare, providing a new stream of funding for health, reducing the tax burden on low income earners.. and that makes me a neoliberal
    AO and reb like providing welfare to high income earners and somehow that makes them “of the left”

    Labels are just bulls**t and this is more evidence

  212. July 10, 2016 2:38 pm

    “”If you’re concerned about middle class welfare, why is health your special exemption?””

    I’m quite happy for wealthy ppl to pay more. The last time I looked that’s how our taxation system works.

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 2:44 pm

    Fine. So am I. People on high incomes can make a payment to see a doctor – welcome to being a neoliberal.

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 3:05 pm

    And now Shorten has conceded defeat. He must be delighted with the Victorian government and the way they handed control of a group ofvolunteers to a militant union

    How many volunteersdoes he think will give it away10%? 20%?

    Will that advance public safety?

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2016 3:12 pm

    while multi-nationals are avoiding paying taxed we’re giving $50 billion in tax cuts to large corporations..

    Well i am not sure that is true. If the multi-nationals are avoiding tax why isn’t the ATO on to them? If the ATO is understaffed they can pick on the big ones starting with Apple. I doubt there is much avoidance going on here because the multi-nationals do not make anything here. It may be a different story overseas.

    And the $50B in tax cuts is initially going to small business which is the biggest employer in Australia

  216. July 10, 2016 3:39 pm

    “People on high incomes can make a payment to see a doctor”

    I already do, as mentioned above.

    You’re complaining that people like you don’t, and you don’t.

    Can you see what’s wrong with this picture?

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 3:45 pm

    When you make it optional for people like me to pay (or.not) for a medical appointment , how it that a public benefit?

    How does giving me stuff for free make those on low incomes better off?

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 4:49 pm

    “…How does giving me stuff for free make those on low incomes better off?..”

    It doesn’t make them worse off.
    They can also have the same bulk billing service.
    If we didn’t have bulk billing, those on low incomes wouldn’t go to the dr, they couldn’t afford it.

    You could tell your dr you’d like to pay his full fee because you can afford it.

    Can’t really keep up with this conversation, I’m at work now (some of us work on Sunday arvo)

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 4:56 pm

    If people like me get stuff for free from the public purse, that automatically means there is less public revenue to do something else – like increase the old aged pension, or provide more support or indigenous communities, or put more money into public hospitals – but that’s just economics – and apparently economics = neo liberalism

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2016 5:26 pm

    Which doc do you go to ToM … I’ll come and collect your $80 …

    I’m still trying to figure what your argument really is …

    eg You may be well off now … but life has a nasty habit or changing your health quickly … and thus your social standing …

    I have relatives who have worked hard have uni qualifications and done well, others who have little or no quals and made a fortune just landed the right job and subsequent mentors, tradies who struggle and tradies who’ve become multi millionaires …

    There is always someone better, luckier and quicker than you … there are also people worse off, unluckier and slower …

    Never judge others by your own achievements!

    Should we go back to Fire Companies … if you weren’t a member of the insurance run firefighters — they let it burn … that works really well …

    We could do the same with police or paramedics, hey?

    Kapitalism has limited applications … just like democratic socialism … its not a blanket solution …

    Bit like religion … not all of us are FOOLED!

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2016 5:39 pm

    Hey! WALLY!

    These dicks are so far behinds us at The Gutter Trash!

    The eight-day wait for the federal election result Australia has just endured may be a thing of the past, as Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten backed electronic voting in their victory and concession speeches on Sunday.

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2016 5:41 pm

    I’m still trying to figure what your argument really is …

    If i can butt in I think the idea of some kind of payment is to stop people going who really do not need to go. Some kind of price signal. I think Hawke briefly thought about doing this. The price of a nice cup of coffee should do it. The trouble with free things is that they are abused.

    Personally i do not go to the doctors very often but it is nice not having to pay something when you turn up. It could make things more difficult for the receptionist collecting money

    I do have private health insurance and it annoyed me when AO said i get a rebate. I am actually contributing extra money to the system which i would not be doing if i wasn’t paying insurance

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2016 6:01 pm

    I’m still trying to figure what your argument really is …

    I’m trying to figure out why getting rich people to pay make a contribution to the cost of a doctor’s visit is “neo liberalism” and why AO and reb are so staunchly against it and why giving high income earners free doctors is somehow part of progressive left ideology

    …but there we are… pricing stuff and economics is just some right wing neo liberal agenda

  224. July 10, 2016 6:30 pm

    “”I’m still trying to figure what your argument really is …””

    Join the club.

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2016 6:34 pm

    …but there we are… pricing stuff and economics is just some right wing neo liberal agenda

    LOL! But you pay more tax than 99% of Australians … duh! It’s our thank you for being part of our SOCIETY …

    And yes ToM, I paid in $$ until I became “eligible” for a National Health Program” that monitors my cholesterol, blood pressure, weight and general wellbeing … my “payment” was to reduce the above … ie preventative medicine … and I thank you for your contribution …

    A nation will become wealthy if it is healthy and educated … that creates JOBS & GROWTH …

    And FYI my being healthy and alert has assisted my family to be successful … fer instance I spent the afternoon with my 18 yo g/son who had an awful first semester at uni … but is now back on track! Payment for assisting the nation professionally – nil … as a grandfather lots a luv and thanks!

    That’s the REAL world! Economics phut!

  226. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 7:51 pm

    “…some kind of payment is to stop people going who really do not need to go…”

    So, politicians are dr’s are they? They decide who is really sick and who and when we should see a dr?

    Might as well do away dr’s altogether!

    “…I do have private health insurance and it annoyed me when AO said i get a rebate. I am actually contributing extra money to the system which i would not be doing if i wasn’t paying insurance…”

    How are you putting extra in when you’re taking it out by way of a rebate (to avoid your medicare obligation)

    Do you know how much the PHI to people who can afford to pay more tax, costs the nation?

    That money should be going into public health.

  227. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2016 8:08 pm

    How are you putting extra in when you’re taking it out by way of a rebate (to avoid your medicare obligation)

    As far as i know i am not avoiding my medicare obligation.I may get a rebate which means it does not cost as much. My understanding is that private insurance is extra money which the insurance companies uses to help pay for my bills when needed.

    It would be financially better for me not to have insurance. Some people say you may get treated sooner if you have insurance. I had a friend who broke his ankle while playing soccer. Because he had private health insurance he was able to get operated on Saturday night. Without insurance he would have had to wait until Sunday

  228. July 10, 2016 8:23 pm

    Sportsbet has paid out on Coalition being the sworn-in government. Hung parliament is still in question.

  229. July 10, 2016 8:26 pm

    Won’t someone call me a neoliberal? I’ll wear it as a badge of honour.

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2016 8:30 pm

    Is AO right? People who have private health insurance don’t pay the medicare levy?

  231. July 10, 2016 9:06 pm

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2016 9:19 pm

    “…Ditching the PHI rebate could save the federal govt as much as $10billion over the next 4 yrs and 10’s of billions in the next decade, new figures from the PBO show…” (abc 31/3/2016)

    So, now we know that neil is responsible for our health and economic messes.

    Good work neil, what a betrayal of your country!

  233. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2016 9:29 pm

    Neil, don’t you have google?

    OK your link says this

    The base income threshold is $90,000 for singles and $180,000 for families.

    There would be lots of people below those threshold levels that have private health insurance. My understanding is that private health insurance is extra money into the system

    And i wrong, ignorant or uncaring? My understanding is that everyone still pays the 2% Medicare Levy. Whether people who earn more than $90,000 pay the MLS or insurance, what is the difference?

  234. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 10, 2016 10:01 pm

    Ditching the PHI rebate could save the federal govt as much as $10billion over the next 4 yrs and 10’s of billions in the next decade, new figures from the PBO show

    Ditching the rebate may say the govt some money but all that would happen is that people would leave private health insurance and then the govt would have to spend more money on the public health system. Most probably more than the $10B saved abolishing the rebate.

    I know lots of older people who are not wealthy but have PHI because they think they get better treatment which i am starting to doubt. I think lefties just do not like anything by private enterprise and want to socialise everything on principle.

  235. A Bettor System permalink
    July 10, 2016 11:48 pm

    (I’ll wear it as a badge of honour.

    Good for you.)

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2016 12:40 am

    Won’t someone call me a neoliberal? I’ll wear it as a badge of honour.

    Nope, not going to 😆

    …The Public Health Association said it was time the prime minister took another look at how that money could be better spent because the costs of the rebate far outweigh the benefits.

    ‘This is effectively Robin Hood in reverse – taking from the poor and giving to the rich,’ the association’s chief executive Michael Moore said.

    ‘Australians have the right to equitable health care and this cannot be achieved by pouring money into the private health system.’…

    …Senator Di Natale said the private health insurance rebate was a public policy disaster that had completely failed to achieve its stated objective of easing pressure on public hospitals….

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/federal/2016/03/31/doctors-voice-support-for-rebate-plan.html#sthash.uVzVrsGo.dpuf

  237. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 8:19 am

    AO

    Whatever you say PHI is extra money into the system. You are just against anything private.

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2016 10:35 am

  239. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2016 10:42 am

    Therefore imposing a higher burden on low income earners

    And then you complain that those on a higher income pay more tax ???

    You’re really not thinking all that hard, are ya yomm. 😉

    I’d have thought that having worked in industry as you have claimed, you’d understand the benefits of having a healthy populace.

    My question is, why the hell are low income workers subsidising rich people for their private health insurances, private insurances that do nothing but raise the overall cost of ALL health services?

  240. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2016 10:44 am

    now implores the ALP to work with Libs.

    My guess is they will, to a point, nothing like yabot did with Gillard.

    The libs can be trusted to self destruct without the ALP helping them out. Popcorn all around 🙂

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 11:16 am

    Caramel please …

  242. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2016 11:38 am

    Michael west is a journo who was sacked [made redundant] by fairfax. He did the big corporate corruption stories

    [crikey] Investigative business journalist Michael West, who was recently told by The Sydney Morning Herald his skillsset wasn’t “aligned with Fairfax strategy going forward”, this morning launched his new website — a home for the journalism he has every intention of continuing even though he no longer has one of Australia’s major media companies behind him.

    West’s latest investigation was due to run in the Fairfax papers the week after he was sacked (a term he uses — Fairfax says it was a redundancy). He took the story with him. It’s live this morning on both his website and The New Daily, which has syndicated it. It looks at the role of the big four accounting firms — PwC, Deloitte, KPMG and Ernst & Young — in both facilitating tax minimisation for their clients and advising governments on how to combat it…

    …[This has been West’s bread and butter for years at Fairfax, and he says stories on tax avoidance and minimisation have always struck a chord with a wide readership. So have stories on the energy sector — another area West plans to keep reporting on. He’s hopeful he can figure out a business model to keep doing what he did at Fairfax independently,

    On the business model, he says he’s got a few ideas but is coy on the specifics. He says he has a potential backer, but it’s early days.

    “I will take contributors, I will syndicate, and I will look to do special projects for particular funding as well,” he said. “My state at the moment is zero income, small child, large mortgage.”

    On the website’s name (michaelwest.com.au), West seems ambivalent. “I always wanted to make story first and not myself. Unhappily, Fairfax have somewhat made me a martyr for the crime of journalism.”…

    …“I think in this area of the media, there’s such a hole now. You have Fairfax being gutted of experienced journalists in this area. There’s very few people left who can read a balance sheet, very few who have the courage to go after big corporate stories.”[crikey, today]

    I think Michael West is someone worth supporting financially and I’m going to make a contribution. I don’t know why they keep the useless journos who just re-type press releases for the government and let these good investigative ones go.

    http://www.michaelwest.com.au/

  243. July 11, 2016 12:22 pm

    WEST,,,,,,,The Big Four have, under a Rasputin-like cloak of illusion strayed from their original and critical role of verifying the accuracy of financial accounts for all stakeholders, to be “accountants of fortune” merely representing the accounting position for multinationals and developing aggressive international tax avoidance practices,” he told michaelwest,,,,,,

    http://www.michaelwest.com.au/oligarchs-of-the-treasure-islands/

    # ,, hit this one teebz+armchair (team-denial needn`t bother)

  244. July 11, 2016 12:46 pm

    Joyce told Sky News on Sunday: ,,,,,The first aspiration is the agreement remains confidential. That’s aspiration one, two, three, four, five and six,,,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/federal-election-2016-barnaby-joyce-wants-coalition-agreement-to-be-secret-20160710-gq2cah.html

    #yaaay.teabag.transparency

  245. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 12:50 pm

    My question is, why the hell are low income workers subsidising rich people for their private health insurances,

    Well i have never seen the figures. PHI is not cheap. Is it cheaper than paying the MLS? Anyway there are lots of pensioners with PHI and other lower income workers. They seem to think it is a good idea otherwise they would not take out insurance.

  246. July 11, 2016 12:55 pm

    sky,,,,,,,Doctors and health groups have thrown their support behind a Greens plan to get rid of government-funded private health insurance rebates.

    The rebate costs taxpayers $6 billion each year, and the Greens want that money injected into the public hospital system instead, labelling the rebate ‘unfair, inflationary and inefficient’.

    The Public Health Association said it was time the prime minister took another look at how that money could be better spent because the costs of the rebate far outweigh the benefits.

    ‘This is effectively Robin Hood in reverse – taking from the poor and giving to the rich,,,,,,

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/federal/2016/03/31/doctors-voice-support-for-rebate-plan.html

    # ,, FMD, sky better trot out blot and the rest of team-teabag to counter this little blooper before rupert`s on the phone and reaming arses.

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 1:03 pm

    The rebate costs taxpayers $6 billion each year, and the Greens want that money injected into the public hospital system instead, labelling the rebate ‘unfair, inflationary and inefficient’

    Yes i read that. And how much in premiums do people in PHI pay? It may be a lot more than the rebate costs the taxpayers

  248. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2016 1:13 pm

    It may be a lot more than the rebate costs the taxpayers

    It SHOULD be a lot more, it is “PRIVATE” health insurance, it shouldn’t have ANY public money invested in it. And the Greens are correct, it IS ‘unfair, inflationary and inefficient’

  249. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 1:26 pm

    Be nice to see the figures. If the PHI rebate costs the taxpayers $6B but Australians are paying $10B in premiums this is extra money into the system. As for being inefficient- who knows.

    I just think you lefties do not like anything private.

    Same goes for the NBN. We get this govt company building something private enterprise could do much cheaper. They may be doing FTTP overseas but it is private enterprise doing it.

  250. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2016 1:32 pm

    As for being inefficient- who knows.

    Consider the instant rise in premiums the moment the rebate kicked in. Then consider, that private health industries were then able to charge more, for the simple fact that private insurers were charging/making more.

    Then consider that the public system, which is now funding this private system, has to compete in many areas against this publicly funded private system for limited resources, which now are charging more.

    If that cannot help you work out if it is ‘unfair, inflationary and inefficient’, I’m not sure what can.

  251. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 1:39 pm

    Then consider that the public system, which is now funding this private system,

    Not if the premiums are greater than the $6B cost to the taxpayer. All those medical procedures funded by PHI would then have to be done by the public system if the rebate was abolished and people stopped paying PHI.

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2016 1:42 pm

    …Yes i read that. And how much in premiums do people in PHI pay? It may be a lot more than the rebate costs the taxpayers…

    You want PHI you pay their premiums WITHOUT any taxpayer funded rebates. That’s your choice. And that’s how private enterprise is supposed to work, you want it, you buy it, no asking for others to pay for it and don’t expect poorer taxpayers to fund your choices if you can’t afford to pay them yourself.

    You wonder why the deficit is so high, well look at your own expectations.

  253. July 11, 2016 1:48 pm

    Resident-lmbecile,,,,,,,,,,NBN. We get this govt company building something private enterprise could do much cheaper,,,,,#except that telstra didn`t

  254. Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2016 1:58 pm

    “It SHOULD be a lot more, it is “PRIVATE” health insurance, it shouldn’t have ANY public money invested in it. ”

    I assume then you are quite happy to carry that same principal over to subsidies for renewable energy like privately owned Windfarms and Solar Power Farms plus Motor Vehicle Manufacturing , Submarine Building and the Whyalla steelworks all of which have a particular relationship in a State which shares borders with Victoria, NSW and WA

  255. July 11, 2016 2:01 pm

    Yeah teabags, that`s all fine`n dandy, when you `overlook` the fraud part, where the insurance only covered the amount the insurance-company could `claim` back off medicare and left the consumer `paying-the-extra` anyway.

  256. Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2016 2:03 pm

    “You want PHI you pay their premiums WITHOUT any taxpayer funded rebates. That’s your choice. ”

    Absolutel WRONG !

    Straight from the ATO…….

    “The Medicare levy surcharge (MLS) is designed to reduce the demand on the public Medicare system……….You will be required to pay the MLS if your income for MLS purposes is above the base income threshold and you or your family do not have an appropriate level of private patient hospital cover. This applies unless you are exempt from paying the Medicare levy and your dependents are also exempt or have an appropriate level of private cover…….The base income threshold is $90,000 for singles and $180,000 for families. However, you do not have to pay the MLS if your family income exceeds the threshold but your own income for MLS purposes was $21,335 or less.”

  257. July 11, 2016 2:04 pm

    FYI blubbers, canoeland shares a border with all mainland states and nt #just.saying

  258. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2016 2:04 pm

    I assume then you are quite happy to carry that same principal over to subsidies

    It works in reverse too wally.

    The same mob who happily plough taxpayers dollars into the bloating of our health system are the same ones who sold out the likes of Holdens for the ‘stand on your own’ principle.

    The only difference of course is, Holdens and subs etc are competing globally, whereas the public/private health are competing locally against each other.

    So, the free enterprise dimwits happily plough money into a system that does nothing but make that system more unaffordable, whilst refusing to put any money into systems that allow them to compete internationally.

    The Greens are 100% correct in their summation here. It is ‘unfair, inflationary and inefficient’.

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2016 2:08 pm

    All those medical procedures funded by PHI would then have to be done by the public system if the rebate was abolished and people stopped paying PHI.

    And all that money would be going back into the public system to pay for it and more.

    Then consider, that private health industries were then able to charge more, for the simple fact that private insurers were charging/making more.

    And all those ‘extras’ that taxpayers are paying for, gym memberships, wacky alternative practitioners selling non-evidence based snake oil treatments etc

    Things that people should be buying from their own pocket and not subsidised.

  260. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 2:12 pm

    And all that money would be going back into the public system to pay for it and more.

    Like i have said many times not if the premiums are in excess of the $6B taxpayer subsidy. From what i have seen the public system could not cope if nobody paid PHI.

  261. July 11, 2016 2:26 pm

    blubbers,,,,,,,carry that same principal over to subsidies for renewable energy like privately owned Windfarms and Solar Power Farms plus Motor Vehicle Manufacturing,,,,,#generally-YES

    # ,, `subsidy` is usually econo-babble for `gift-to-biz`

    # ,, just as `investment` now-a-days is econo-babble for `flogging-off` stuff, usually `public-assets`

    # ,, l disagree that private/govt health (or-education) is the `same` thing, as the `private` system is merely used to `white-ant` the govt-system, instead of making the govt-system the best possible, see finland.

  262. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2016 2:37 pm

    Things that people should be buying from their own pocket and not subsidised.

    Exactly.

    But god forbid we subsidise a manufacturing industry that hat has to compete globally against cheap labour, poor health and safety and high tariffs.

    They just need to harden up

  263. July 11, 2016 2:55 pm

    FMD, you don`t have to be dense to be an accountant, but you can be.

    ,,,,Straight from the ATO,,,,#yes,yes,correct

    BUT THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE,,,,You want PHI you pay their premiums WITHOUT any taxpayer funded,,,,,,,

    ,,,,The Medicare levy surcharge (MLS) is designed to,,,,,,,,#allow spine-less politicians off the hook by abdicating their own responsibility of governing and raising enough taxation to govern properly, allowing them to remain frightened of corporations and the rich and fail to govern the nation for the majority.

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2016 3:01 pm

    I still haven’t seen a rational explanation as to why someone on a plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ gets to see a doctor without paying a cent.

    Plenty of stuff like – “because it’s universal health care” but nothing by way of actual explanation.

  265. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 3:04 pm

    But god forbid we subsidise a manufacturing industry that hat has to compete globally against cheap labour, poor health and safety and high tariffs.

    We still do. Applications are open if you want to apply

    https://www.business.gov.au/Assistance/Automotive-Transformation-Scheme

    And the PHI rebate is an incentive for people to take out insurance. Every extra insurance policy holder means less stain on the Public system . It would collapse without PHI

  266. July 11, 2016 3:13 pm

    Same here.

    I still haven’t seen a rational explanation as to why imaginary-sky-fairy on a plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ gets away without paying a cent.

    ,

    I still haven’t seen a rational explanation as to why corporate-revenue on a plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ gets away without paying a cent.

    ,

    I still haven’t seen a rational explanation as to why boardroom-salary on a plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ gets away without paying a cent.

    # ,, or so fcuking little via off-shoring and havens

  267. Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2016 4:01 pm

    “You want PHI you pay their premiums WITHOUT any taxpayer funded,,,,,,, ”

    Another clueless statement from the usual peddlar of crap.

    Currently they get penalised if they dont you dolt. That’s why they have to pay for PHI.

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 4:12 pm

    #yaaay.teabag.transparency

    My first, second, third and fourth thoughts exactly, tbagz!

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 4:14 pm

    … before rupert`s on the phone and reaming arses.

    These days I think he’s busy reaming someone else …

  270. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2016 4:15 pm

    I still haven’t seen a rational explanation as to why someone on a plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ gets to see a doctor without paying a cent.

    I’m beginning to believe that that is solely because you are stupid

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 4:25 pm

    So, the free enterprise dimwits happily plough money into a system that does nothing but make that system more unaffordable, whilst refusing to put any money into systems that allow them to compete internationally.

    And why should a Health INSURANCE (or any insurance) have shareholders at all … its a service not a cash cow …

    Things that people should be buying from their own pocket and not subsidised.

    I can assure you that when we “finally” took up PHI the catch-up cost was horrific … and considering the TB household is luckily rarely in need of any treatment we have paid far more than we have claimed … leaving me to speculate that the money we could have saved would have been spent churning the economy not a bunch of shareholders who probably visit the Caymans regularly …

    As I said earlier re firefighters – some things are community funded …

  272. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 4:50 pm

    Currently they get penalised if they dont you dolt

    That is what i thought. Also it is not a taxpayer subsidy for the wealthy since the wealthy do not get the rebate. Only the poorer people get the full rebate

    we have paid far more than we have claimed

    Well you should be happy. That money was used to help sick people.

    Also if the PHI companies get say $4B in premiums and it costs the budget $6B AO would have a point. But if they get $10-$15B in premiums it is helping the health system because it is extra money.

  273. July 11, 2016 5:49 pm

    Yes,yes,,,,,,Currently they get penalised if they dont,,,, #which is still just part of the `tinkering` to make-up for the abdication of governing properly isn`t it. The reality is most of Aust understand and WANT govt to have universal-health, NOT some usa-like crap system. Dumbfcuks bleat anti-medicare, but have no problem with open cheque book wars, gulags, dud-f35`s, and kpmg-crooks costing govts trillion.pa.

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 5:52 pm

    Well you should be happy. That money was used to help sick people.

    And that’s why you’ve single handedly brought this nation to its knees …

    … that money went to people who are in PHI … not Medicare!

    Russian logic at its best worst!

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 5:56 pm

    with open cheque book wars, gulags, dud-f35`s, and kpmg-crooks costing govts trillion.pa.

    Indeed tbagz …

    Next remember to mention – Goldman Sachs … 😉

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 5:58 pm

    I would like to see the Cost Benefit Analysis for Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan … F35 purchases … submarine purchases …

    Over to MILKUM & Co. …

  277. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 6:08 pm

    … that money went to people who are in PHI … not Medicare!

    But they would be if not for PHI. From what i have seen if people stopped paying PHI and relied on Medicare it would cost the country much much more.

    And what is the difference between premiums or taxes helping sick people?

    It should be mentioned that the full rebate goes to the lowest income earners.

    I think lefties are against anything private and naturally want the govt to do everything

  278. July 11, 2016 7:01 pm

    “”I still haven’t seen a rational explanation..””

    Let me think…

    Could it because…

    NOBODY CARES.

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 7:23 pm

    Let me think…

    Could it because…

    NOBODY CARES.

    Wrong, laddie, because there ain’t one! Pure Liberal dribble economics …

    Like the drivel above from neel above … translation please?

    But they would be if not for PHI. From what i have seen if people stopped paying PHI and relied on Medicare it would cost the country much much more.

    Prove it … I’m not interested in right wing soothsaying … “from what I have seen” is bollocks and doesn’t cut it …

    Your decision making has brought Australia to a standstill!

  280. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 7:34 pm

    Prove it … I’m not interested in right wing soothsaying … “from what I have seen” is bollocks and doesn’t cut it …

    OK i get your point. But you people are saying that the PHI rebate costs the country $6B which i think is true. But that does not take into account the money put into PHI by premiums.

    If insurance premiums are more than approx $6B the country saves money.

    I think at the moment no side can prove their point

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 7:56 pm

    If insurance premiums are more than approx $6B the country saves money.

    Wot? How?

  282. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 7:59 pm

    Because most of that insurance money goes to treating patients. I guess there are expenses running the insurance companies plus they would like to make a profit.

    If the insurance companies do not pay for the health care medicare would.

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2016 9:37 pm

    … they would like to make a profit

    … out of people’s suffering … brilliant! Why?

    Decisions should not all be made – to make a profit!

    The Western World has lost the UBER KAPITAL plot!

  284. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2016 10:12 pm

    You lefties always try and make out you are morally superior to anybody else.

    We are talking about do PHI rebates cost the country money. I think not. I think the subsidies cost $6B but premiums paid are most probably a lot more than that. The country saves money with PHI.

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2016 12:00 am

    …the subsidies cost $6B but premiums paid are most probably a lot more than that. The country saves money with PHI…

    How do you see that neil?

    The only way the country saves money on PHI is if PHI is funded by it’s members with it’s members own money. No subsidies and assistance from the taxpayer or public health system at all.
    I know there is a penalty if you don’t have PHI but that was the stick created by howard to force reluctant people to take out PHI. Without it, the PHI industry is stuffed and losing money, it is the taxpayers of the country, the poor people who can’t afford PHI themselves, who are propping up the lifestyle choices of the wealthier.

    Private health should be able to stand alone and make their profits off their own enterprise and members, from those who choose to belong to it and pay into it without any tax relief, like any other business eg home and car insurances.

    It is a national disgrace and the sooner the rebate goes the better.

  286. Less Stain permalink
    July 12, 2016 12:06 am

    (If the insurance companies do not pay for the health care medicare would.

    Yes; that’s clear from the interventions from 1997-onwards, when the PHI industry effectively was in terminal decline; fortunately, it remains the case that a government-revivified PHI industry “is designed to supplement and take pressure off publicly funded health services”, rather than operating as some kind of gratuitous boondoggle which siphons off a ‘pool of contributors’ otherwise comprising a fair percentage of the taxpaying public and direct contributors to a universal health insurance scheme, and billions in government subsidies in cash and in kind, in management expenses, in competitive advertising and alluring product differentiations not involving duplication and waste and divided loyalties, in nominal net margins at the end of within-pseudo-market supply-chains, and in over-the-odds out-of-pocket imposts; truly, it was the case that users of Medicare were overusing increasingly-scarce medical resources, and, without an appropriate price signal in a carefully-cultivated marketplace, would have continued to so do; and now, thankfully, even the latest half-double-decaffeinated-half-caf-with-a-twist-of-lemon crisis of confidence in Medicare will be averted, by subtly making it gappy-to-impossible for stand-alone bulk-billing to be maintained in the medium-term, even as PHIs coincidentally are being invited into the public-private/private-public practice of primary healthcare. Or something like that.)

  287. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2016 3:06 am

    The only way the country saves money on PHI is if PHI is funded by it’s members with it’s members own money.

    Well if the rebate costs $6B and PHI members pay $10B in premiums the country saves approx $4B.

    All those procedures funded by insurance premiums would have to be paid by Medicare if PHI did not exist.

  288. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2016 8:48 am

    NOBODY CARES.”

    Well as if I care about that.

  289. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 12, 2016 11:20 am

    I sometimes wonder what a society of pompous xenophobic passive-aggressive bigots with a collective inferiority complex would be like but I have no inclination to go to Queensland to find out.

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2016 11:34 am

    Good!

  291. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 12, 2016 12:15 pm

    🙂

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2016 12:23 pm

    😉

  293. Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2016 1:12 pm

    “… out of people’s suffering … brilliant! Why?”

    Even I draw the line at investing in small arms companies or gambling companies as they make profits … “out of people’s suffering “.

    How’s that investment in Metal Storm going TB ?

    Here’s a walk down memory lane for ya …………………

    Kettle meet TB the Pot

  294. Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2016 1:15 pm

    Ooooops !

    Wrong Link

  295. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 12, 2016 4:01 pm

    Obama really isn’t a Socialist:

    It bothers me a little when conservatives call Barack Obama a “socialist.” He certainly is an enemy of the free market, and wants politicians and bureaucrats to make the fundamental decisions about the economy. But that does not mean that he wants government ownership of the means of production, which has long been a standard definition of socialism.

    What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the private sector. …..

    What socialism, fascism and other ideologies of the left have in common is an assumption that some very wise people — like themselves — need to take decisions out of the hands of lesser people, like the rest of us, and impose those decisions by government fiat. [Which is precisely why leftists say that the common people can’t be trusted with a plebiscite]

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2016 4:04 pm

    So you prefer our Diggers to fight AK47’s, RPGs, .50 cal machine guns with .303’s, wally … or crossbows?

    OK …

    Even I draw the line at investing in small arms companies or gambling companies as they make profits …

    But do you invest in Private Health Insurance companies in Australia?

    I wouldn’t get too altruistic … two different fields … methinks …

  297. Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2016 4:12 pm

    “But do you invest in Private Health Insurance companies in Australia?”

    Nope !

    There is much greater growth potential and investment upside in a company called Invocare who do this sort of thing………………

    Just waiting for a bit of a correction on the share price at the moment as Winter sees a high level of demand according to ABS statistics that I looked at

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2016 4:16 pm

    LOL! Trying to rewrite history again … fascists and socialists worked together? As opposed to fascists and communists?

    Playing words again … shifting the right to left while retaining the purity of the right … now that really IS fascism …

    Stalinism and Hitlerism were abhorrent … run by vicious crackpots – another one now resides in the Kremlin, apparently …

    To attempt to apply late 19th century/mid 20th century socio-political descriptions to early 21st century structures is naïve in the extreme … and only for the extremely gullible …

    Australia has just demonstrated that it will not tolerate extremes in any political sphere – left, right, centre or any combination of such!

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2016 4:18 pm

    There is much greater growth potential and investment upside in a company called Invocare who do this sort of thing…

    Another dying business …

  300. Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2016 4:31 pm

    “Australia has just demonstrated that it will not tolerate extremes in any political sphere”

    Really………….last time I looked this nasty piece of shit just got re-elected by the “naïve in the extreme … and ……extremely gullible …”

  301. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 12, 2016 4:39 pm

    No surprise that truly vile communist mongrels are quite at home in the Greens. No doubt Lee supports the same democratic principles exhibited by the Soviet Union she was so devoted to.

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2016 6:44 pm

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    FFS talk about sore winners and whingers … its almost as if you want a Chinese Communist System … one party, elections and no religions … aw fuck! Nearly …

    There are Dickwits©, Fuckwits® and Dopes™ in politics and political opinions … Dopey Dutton lives in Queensland … he should emigrate South!

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2016 6:48 pm

    “Australia has just demonstrated that it will not tolerate extremes in any political sphere”

    Perhaps I should have explained it to you a little better wally … seeing as how you have suddenly become neel v2.0 … extremes in policy from any side … this country is still governed by two main parties …

    And FYI I have no idea who the woman is that you are insulting … seems to be a Tory Trait …

    Do you ever say nice things about your political adversaries?

  304. July 12, 2016 8:08 pm

    Just saw the return of black-lung to bananaland-coal workers on reportland teebz, big-coal is claiming `system-failure`, my bet, `systematic-willful-boardroom-blindness-negligence`. #teabags

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2016 10:37 pm

  306. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2016 10:56 pm

  307. July 12, 2016 11:23 pm

    tweet,,,,,,,,@vanbadham I’ve had a gut full of dickheads getting a say just so the ABC can lay claim to ‘impartiality’. @GuardianAus , DebbieSpillane (@DebSpillane) July 12, 2016,,,,,,,

    tweet,,,,,,,,@DebSpillane @vanbadham @GuardianAus Not every position has equal merit. Balance does not include having sexist misogynist views aired. , WomenWithoutReligion (@Womenwthoutrlgn) July 12, 2016,,,,,,,,

    # ,, Oh teabags, Look at this! Even the `twitter-feminista` agree with `my` criticisms of my abc, the `fake`-balance of loading-up shows with teatards to mindlessly-chant teabag nonsense. #Guffaw (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

  308. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2016 9:29 am

    Rohan Connelly is a football writer, and I happened to be looking at pre season tips a few nights ago, including his.

    He was wildly inaccurate in his predictions for 7 teams. He seems not to know anything about his claimed area of expertise. Why are we re tweeting his views on any subject?

  309. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 9:39 am

    I’ve had a gut full of dickheads getting a say just so the ABC can lay claim to ‘impartiality’.

    I’ve had a gutfull of this so-called ‘balance’. It’s been a joke for years.

    I love the image at the top of this post reb, but I disagree with the ‘finally’ bit. Most have known for years we don’t have journalists here, least of all at theirabc.

    And, yomm wants to dismiss someone, cos they aint a soothsayer. Typical. Is he being ‘hysterical’?

    Have you worked out WHY a health system might work better when EVERYONE is able to access health for free yet yomm (a health system that ideally is funded from a progressive tax system that doesn’t subsidise private industries or let massive corporations plunder our riches with no return)

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2016 9:45 am

    No, what I’m saying is – he’s a football writer, and clearly not very good at that, so why use his comments on anything else as having any veracity?

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2016 9:48 am

    No, I haven’t seen a single reason for having someone on $100000000 a year going to the doctor and not paying a cent

  312. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 9:55 am

    “I’ve had a gut full of dickheads getting a say just so the ABC can lay claim to ‘impartiality’.”

    If you watched the entire Q&A you would have seen chief fright bat Van Badham already hysterical. Earlier in the show she went on an hysterical rant about Tony Abbott and “Canadia” and “Onions” right out of the blue

    The woman is a true fuckwit of the highest order.

    In fact if there were Australia Day honours for Fuckwit of the Year she’d be on the stage lined up with half a dozen other Leftist scumbags.

    She couldn’t give a fuck about DV. Its all about scoring for her “team”

  313. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 9:57 am

    “I haven’t seen a single reason for having someone on $100000000 a year going to the doctor and not paying a cent”

    Nor I.

    So its OK for Gina Reinhardt to wander down to her local GP and get bulk billed according to TomRoll.

  314. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 10:03 am

    he’s a football writer

    Yes, so not a soothsayer. None of the ‘experts’ get many ‘predictions’ right.

    So its OK for Gina Reinhardt to wander down to her local GP and get bulk billed according to TomRoll.

    As long as she pays her proportionate taxes .. YES!

    If she wants a tummy tuck .. then go get private health.

    The woman is a true fuckwit of the highest order.

    Are you speaking from your ovaries now?

  315. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 10:04 am

    going to the doctor and not paying a cent

    You (deliberately?) miss the point about them paying taxes.

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 10:09 am

    … so why use his comments on anything else as having any veracity?

    Because he’s a person … like you … with an opinion … WTF are you on just lately …

    Do you agree with what Price said?

    Do you agree with what van Badham said?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No, I haven’t seen a single reason for having someone on $100000000 a year

    If you earn that much and feel so strongly about free health – two things you should consider:

    1. You don’t actually need to visit a doctor if you’re sick … I’m sure one would gladly visit YOU and charge appropriately.

    2. WTF are you doing here all day?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And finally

    GO MAROONS!

    QUEENSLANDER!

  317. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 13, 2016 10:11 am

    “I’ve had a gut full of dickheads people I disagree with getting a say just so the ABC can lay claim to ‘impartiality’. Obviously. Because its their ABC.

  318. July 13, 2016 10:57 am

    You know, if you’re feeling so aggrieved about seeing the doctor for free, perhaps you should see a doctor who doesn’t bulk bill and free up that appointment space for someone less fortunate who might appreciate it more than you.

    Not every decision we make in life is dictated by a “price mechanism ” you know. Although I can imagine that some people who don’t have a basic sense of decency might struggle with that concept.

    Just saying…

  319. July 13, 2016 11:01 am

    “a progressive tax system that doesn’t subsidise private industries”

    Like the car industry?

  320. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 11:19 am

    So its OK for Gina Reinhardt to wander down to her local GP and get bulk billed according to TomRoll.

    Actually it is ok, I doubt she does though, her GP probably gets summoned out to her. I guess it really does depend on whether she pays any tax towards the medicare of ‘other australians’ or not.

    On qanda, I saw a steve price who was spoiling for an argument, he was so ready for it he hardly took any notice of the questioner and the fact that his sister had suffered an awful death. He showed no sympathy whatsoever for the man at his first outburst and then tried to do so after he realised his mistake [after the other commenters sympathised] when he got another go at it, too late, the damage was done. I notice how the next day on his show with bolt he tried to make out he was ambushed, I doubt it, he was the one who was defending ‘his good mates’

    Why should people just keep excusing this public misogyny time and time again, letting them apologise and then saying let’s forget about it now and have them go on just as before. Why do we even need to listen to them in this day and age? There must be some men in the country who can talk on air without offending half the country every time they open their mouth These are repeated offences from a repeat offender, even the footy clubs eventually sack a footballer after numerous offences without an sign of rehabilitation.

  321. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 11:39 am

    “Why should people just keep excusing this public misogyny time and time again,…..”

    Because people like Caroline Wilson excuse it on her own radio station 3AW

    3AW transcript………….

    Dwayne Russell: “We’d have to sell tickets for those who want to push you, Caro, I reckon.”

    Caroline Wilson: “That’s very funny Dwayne. Hysterical.”

    Tony Shaw: “And hold her under Dwayne”

    Caroline Wilson: “Oh, boys……….”

  322. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 11:46 am

    Not every decision we make in life is dictated by a “price mechanism ” you know.

    That would be knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    Medicare = priceless.

    Although I can imagine that some people who don’t have a basic sense of decency might struggle with that concept.

    It’s easy to believe in ‘price rules’ when you’ve always been mollycoddled and advanced by the collective labours of others in your little society of one.

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2016 11:46 am

    Nope.

    Paying tax doesn’t (or shouldn’t) guarantee endless doctor visits for well off hypochondriacs (for example)

    Subsidised service without means testing just results in over use and inefficiency.

    Pay taxes for as long as you wish, you won’t be guaranteed a pension

  324. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2016 11:59 am

    I notice how the next day on his show with bolt he tried to make out he was ambushed, I doubt it,

    He was ambushed. He was told before the show he was going to be asked that question. He however was not told the person who was going to ask the question had a sister who died from DV.

    I think Price was trying to say too much was being read into what was said. There were some tasteless jokes told and then they apologised. The ABC was trying to link bad taste jokes to DV which i guess could be true.

  325. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:16 pm

    PS I was unaware AO that you listen to 2GB

  326. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:30 pm

    I think Price was trying to say too much was being read into what was said. There were some tasteless jokes told and then they apologised. The ABC was trying to link bad taste jokes to DV which i guess could be true.

    A Price signal?
    Except he was aggressively defending mates who had publicly done wrong, refusing to accept that they should be disciplined in any way, just a pretend apology if they force you to and then move on until the next time on blokey media.

    This was done on air by a few media bigtimers who think they are untouchable. How much advertising revenue have they cost the station? Women pay for the footy tickets too.

    Women in this country really have had a gutful of this unfunny rubbish.

    No wonder the divorce rate is so high.

    You don’t need to be too smart to work out that disrespect, putting down, bullying and targeting for ‘bad taste jokes’ is the foreplay for DV and worse. Wasn’t that the standard MO of our ADF rapists?

  327. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:32 pm

    PS I was unaware AO that you listen to 2GB

    I was unaware that you do, problem?

  328. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:37 pm

    Like the car industry?

    We don’t. Just sayin’

    So why do we subsidise private industries whose only competition is the public system, but abandon those whose opposition is international pressures such as tariffs, poor pays and poor health and safety systems?

    He showed no sympathy whatsoever for the man at his first outburst

    Yea, that was the first thing I noticed when he launched into his defense of the footy misogynists, he said wtte “I know all those people you mentioned”, and I thought, you knew his sister?

    I listened to part of his defense of himself with blot on their radio ‘show’, and they spent most of the time attacking Van Badham (?)

    The worst aspect is, neither are stupid, and I get the feeling they both now the issue, but their running defense, which includes attacking vanbadham, is just appalling.

    Why can’t they get dickheads with opposing views who aren’t misogynistic fuckwits?

    Paying tax doesn’t (or shouldn’t) guarantee endless doctor visits for well off hypochondriacs (for example)

    Except it COULD!

    hypochondriacs exist with or without a public system.

    At the moment, the public subsidises said hypochondriacs in the private sector, at a more expensive manner than if it simply subsidised a truly public health system

    Because people like Caroline Wilson excuse it on her own radio station 3AW

    So, are you claiming she somehow supports these people wishing to drown her? If not, just what ARE you claiming? That she silently tolerates it?

  329. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:38 pm

    Paying tax doesn’t (or shouldn’t) guarantee endless doctor visits for well off hypochondriacs (for example)

    Even hypochondriacs have real illnesses.

    Doctors treat mental as well as physical problems. In fact the local GP is the gatekeeper for all referrals [the AMA is a very powerful union] to any speciality, you can’t see anyone without first going through your GP. And if you are treated by a specialist you are then handed back to your GP for ongoing management between specialist visits.

  330. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:42 pm

    Except he was aggressively defending mates who had publicly done wrong,

    No, he was defending them against what was said about them. They were not advocating nuclear war. They said some tasteless jokes which Price did not agree with and then they apologised. You lefties are strange people

  331. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:47 pm

    “Except he was aggressively defending mates who had publicly done wrong, ”

    “Publicly done wrong” Really…………….?

    So why didn’t Caroline Wilson attack her own colleagues on 3AW for the same “offence” ?

    Was it because Eddie and his mates are on a rival Radio Station perhaps ?

    Per the transcript already provided above but here it is again

    3AW transcript………….

    Dwayne Russell: “We’d have to sell tickets for those who want to push you, Caro, I reckon.”

    Caroline Wilson: “That’s very funny Dwayne. Hysterical.”

    Tony Shaw: “And hold her under Dwayne”

    Caroline Wilson: “Oh, boys……….”

  332. July 13, 2016 12:47 pm

    We don’t. Just sayin’

    Really? What’s all this then?

  333. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:51 pm

    So why do we subsidise private industries whose only competition is the public system,

    Like the murdoch media?

    So, are you claiming she somehow supports these people wishing to drown her? If not, just what ARE you claiming? That she silently tolerates it?

    I think she knows how she feels about it and she let everyone know at the time, that she felt mcguire had ‘crossed the line’. Is she not allowed to have her own feelings? We need walrus [and others] to mansplain to us how the woman feels?

  334. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:53 pm

    I think Price was trying to say too much was being read into what was said

    Actually, that was kinda the point of the question. Do we not read enough into what may seem to some as harmless banter. price’s reaction was a stark lesson that the question has far more merit than maybe even the questioner anticipated.

    TARANG CHAWLA asked: Sam Newman has courted controversy yet again for defending Eddie McGuire, who “joked” about drowning Caroline Wilson. I work as an Ambassador for Our Watch. Male violence is the leading cause of death and disability for women in Australia. My sister Nikita was stabbed to death with a meat cleaver by her partner in January 2015. She was 23. How will politicians and the media play a better role in bringing about long overdue cultural shifts so tragedies like mine are not normalised?

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4470729.htm

    Price is a living embodiment of exactly WHY the media need to change their ways

  335. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:57 pm

    “Price is a living embodiment of exactly WHY the media need to change their ways”

    Then so is Caroline Wilson for not challenging her colleagues at 3AW

  336. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:58 pm

    “That she silently tolerates it?”

    Yep !

  337. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 12:59 pm

    Unless it comes from her competition over at Triple M.

    Then she makes it an “issue”

    Cant have it both ways

  338. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:00 pm

    Really? What’s all this then?

    Perhaps you missed the headline

    “Closure of the motor vehicle producers”

    And that came about because hockey told them no more subsidies.

    But for private health and private schools, more, more more!

  339. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:03 pm

    Then so is Caroline Wilson for not challenging her colleagues at 3AW

    Since we have no idea of the context of that conversation, I suppose we take your word for how it appeared then?

    Yep !

    Get our from under your rock.

    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/caroline-wilson-eddie-mcguires-ice-pool-attack-took-me-back-to-the-bad-old-days-20160620-gpn1kv.html

  340. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:05 pm

    Unless it comes from her competition over at Triple M.

    You mean, unless it comes from people who are not attacking he personally, as they have done repeatedly in the past.

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:08 pm

    There are thousands of people starving to death and lefties only care about what Eddie McQuire may or may not have said

  342. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:09 pm

    Caroline Wilson: “That’s very funny Dwayne. Hysterical.”

    sarcasm is lost on some people.

    They were not advocating nuclear war.

    I. rest. my. case.

    That’s the point van badham was trying to make. The trivialisation of a deadly serious issue.

  343. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:16 pm

    “Since we have no idea of the context of that conversation, I suppose we take your word for how it appeared then?”

    Well why dont you crawl from under your rock and go and listen to it. Otherwise you’ll just have to go by the transcript.

    As usual you still dont have a reason

    And your Link pretty much proves she should have included her own colleagues with Eddie and also that she cant take criticism.

    She likes to dish it out and then hides behind DV in order to attack a rival radio personality conveniently forgetting her own colleagues.

    Just like you she’s a hypocrite

  344. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:17 pm

    “sarcasm is lost on some people.”

    That still does not explain why she didn’t publicly attack her own colleagues.

  345. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:19 pm

    “There are thousands of people starving to death and lefties only care about what Eddie McQuire may or may not have said”

    WRONG !

    They also care about the fact that there are no dead bodies floating around off Christmas Island.

    It’s all about the “Team’s Scoreboard” NoS.

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:22 pm

    There are thousands of people starving to death and lefties only care about what Eddie McQuire may or may not have said?

    You fucking ignorant prick! Women and children are battered and murdered in this (and other countries) by men who have no thought for the vicious harm both mental and physical they cause … and its ignorant bastards like you who play stupid games and ignore what’s been happening for centuries!

    “Lefties” as you a re wont to call us care about BOTH those issues and more …

    Get back under your rock … the truth may hurt your eyes!

    Its time to admit that too many men turn the other way! And too many women!

  347. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:25 pm

    That still does not explain why she didn’t publicly attack her own colleagues.

    was that a sarcastic comment by any chance?

  348. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:26 pm

    “And too many women!”

    Yes…I agree…..like Caroline Wilson wilfully turning the other way in regards to her colleagues at 3AW but attacking her rivals at Triple M

  349. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:28 pm

    OK Why pick on Eddie McQuire? Eddie votes for the ALP.

    Lefties are just being stupid. Lots of people make stupid comments. Why pick on Eddie who votes Labor?

    Answer= lefties are playing politics

  350. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:29 pm

    Obviously you Lefties cant explain why Wilson didn’t attack her colleagues with the same energy she laid into McGuire.

    I’ve asked enough times I think.

    By the way I’m certainly no fan of McGuire. He’s a dickhead in public and he’s a dickhead behind the scenes as well. I have some friends at TCN 9 Willoughby in Sydney who will attest to that

  351. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:32 pm

    Obviously you Lefties cant explain why Wilson didn’t attack her colleagues with the same energy she laid into McGuire.

    No, of course not (unless of course you remain under your rock)

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/07/04/the-libs-werent-the-only-ones-humiliated-at-the-election/#comment-130072

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/07/04/the-libs-werent-the-only-ones-humiliated-at-the-election/#comment-130070

  352. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:33 pm

    She likes to dish it out and then hides behind DV in order to attack a rival radio personality conveniently forgetting her own colleagues.

    3AW transcript………….
    Dwayne Russell: “We’d have to sell tickets for those who want to push you, Caro, I reckon.”
    Caroline Wilson: “That’s very funny Dwayne. Hysterical.”
    Tony Shaw: “And hold her under Dwayne”
    Caroline Wilson: “Oh, boys……….”

    Push her where and how?

    Was there any selling of tickets, increasing the donation for more time under, personally jumping in and holding her under, standing around outside and bombing her? She’s a black widow?

    Seems eddie has become an even bigger bully. i still remember ‘the boning’ of how long ago?

    Triple M’s football commentary culture ‘a sexist boys club’, former employee says
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-21/triple-m-commentary-culture-a-sexist-boys-club-exemployee-says/7530604

    …The former Triple M employee, who asked to be known as ‘Cathy’, worked in a technical role in the box during Triple M’s football coverage for a couple of years.

    She told Drive with Rafael Epstein on 774 ABC Melbourne the culture was “absolutely” sexist, including the attitudes of some of the commentators.

    “It’s football, and I love football, so I was kind of expecting that, but I didn’t expect it to be so school yard,” she said.

    “I’m someone with a sense of humour, I’m not the most PC person in the world … [but] I felt like the misogyny was coming from a real place.”

    She said she was not overly surprised by the comments made about Ms Wilson last week.

    “When I heard that, I couldn’t believe it. But could very well believe it, I just couldn’t believe they were doing it on-air,” she said…

    I’d go so far as to say it’s the culture of the whole channel, I try to avoid watching channel 9 for that reason.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-20/eddie-mcguires-history-of-gaffes/7525802

  353. July 13, 2016 1:40 pm

    Perhaps you missed the headline “Closure of the motor vehicle producers”

    No, but you must have missed the bit where it says “The ATS will provide up to $2 billion in assistance to the industry between 1 January 2011 and 31 December 2017.”

    And this other relevant bit “Holden and Toyota will cease manufacturing at the end of 2017”.

    So yes, we do (currently) subsidise the Automotive industry. We shouldn’t, but we do.

  354. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:41 pm

    “I’d go so far as to say it’s the culture of the whole channel,”

    I trust you are including 3AW in that.

    Still no explanation about 2 faced Caroline Wilson !

  355. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:44 pm

    “No, of course not (unless of course you remain under your rock)”

    You might as well remain under your Rock you Troll.

    You still give no explanation just “look over there”………………………your usual MO

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2016 1:55 pm

    So if I subsidise the motor vehicle industry…. I should get a free car.

  357. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 2:33 pm

    No, but you must have missed the bit where hockey told them “no more for you”

    As he was telling all manufacturing at the time.

    Of course, they can leave the assistance up there, now their job of destroying the industry is accomplished.

    That doesn’t change the fact that hockey told manufacturing, you’re getting nothing, whilst ploughing billions more into private health and education.

    You still give no explanation just “look over there”

    Says the ostrich.

    “unless it comes from people who are not attacking he personally, as they have done repeatedly in the past.”

    I should get a free car.

    Perhaps you are in need of a free trip to a psychiatrist?

  358. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 2:37 pm

    So if I subsidise the motor vehicle industry…. I should get a free car.

    Sure, and if I subsidise the fossil fuel industry I should get a free mine or if I pay more tax than foxtel cable television pty ltd than I really should get a TV channel.

    We’re all winners!

  359. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 2:41 pm

    Perhaps you are in need of a free trip to a psychiatrist?

    Must be a hypochondriac, he’s only in it for the free bulk billing. If SOME people get something for free they will overuse it 😆

  360. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 2:44 pm

    We’re all winners!

    I’m not sure that’s what malcaymans thinking right now ao 😉

    Sometimes, even when you win, you lose 😆

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 3:16 pm

    I’m sorta glad I’m busy today!

    I’ve read a lot of bullshit from the usual suspects over the years but recently the obtuse and contortionist “arguments” have become more bizarre … the only constant seems to be the ignorant bliss of neel the wonder boy …

    Absofknlutely astounding shite!

  362. July 13, 2016 3:32 pm

    In even better news, I’ve just been upgraded to business class!

  363. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 3:34 pm

    “Says the ostrich.”

    Why dont you just answer the question instead of just commenting on it you fucking GOOSE !

    Plenty of “look over there” absolutely no answer.

    You are totally fucking clueless.

    Wilson seized the McGuire saga simply to do some pay back.

    If DV was the real issue she would have attacked her own colleagues

  364. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 3:34 pm

    “In even better news, I’ve just been upgraded to business class!”

    What…….on “Scoot” ?

  365. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2016 4:05 pm

  366. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 4:05 pm

    Ooh, LOOK, OVER THERE!

    “unless it comes from people who are not attacking he personally, as they have done repeatedly in the past.”

    or THERE!

    sarcasm is lost on some people.

    Here I was thinking wally was a walrus. I WAS WRONG!

  367. What permalink
    July 13, 2016 4:14 pm

    (If structures of power and influence like the media convey that it’s OK to speak over women and interrupt them, to hold them responsible for your own feelings, to pay no heed to the reality and consequences of female suffering and write off a woman’s contribution to debate – not with engagement of content but a single reductive gendered insult – then the old culture of woman hating is going nowhere.)

  368. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 4:14 pm

    As nil just proved, in order to make vanbadham look hysterical, you have to alter reality.

  369. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 4:17 pm

    So as usual you have no answer just “look over there”

    Just as I thought

  370. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 4:25 pm

    Just as I thought

    I’m sorry, I’m going to need some evidence of this ‘thought’ you claim you have in your possession. Nothing today seems to indicate that you have this claimed ‘thought’.

    Apparently, providing you with specific comments addressing your point is “look over there”

    I guess it is, because “LOOK OVER THERE”, there are specific comments addressing your straw man. All you have said about them is “look over there”

    Well, yes, I’m looking, I see the points, but then, you ignore them, or perhaps dismiss them?

    Why?

    Do your ovaries inhibit your view perhaps?

  371. July 13, 2016 4:38 pm

    What…….on “Scoot?”

    FKN BITCH! 😡🖕😊

  372. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 4:40 pm

    Excellent….so in the absence of any similar venomous attacks upon her colleagues at 3AW of the type she served upto McGuire it can be concluded that her attack on McGuire was simply “payback” under cover of the issue of Domestic Violence.

    You have yet to answer the question so at this stage I’d like to say

    Thankyou for proving my point !

  373. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 5:17 pm

    In addition to a thought, ostrich now claims to also have a point

    Classic

  374. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 5:31 pm

    Not so fast, you asserting your ‘conclusion’ doesn’t make it so wally.

    tomR is right you’ve ignored the specific comments that addressed your ‘conclusion’ critically and then rushed to provide a ‘look over there’ as if it means something.

    You’ve done just what steve price did, not respond to the issue but go off on a tangent in the hope of dragging the conversation into your territory.

    Not a chance.

    [badham] “…he deliberately deviated from the question that was being asked to defend his mates and make it all about himself. I was sitting beside him for the show and picked up resentment from him, he was getting nervous and tetchy. In my job at the guardian, I get this from people like steve price all day long, a small minority of very angry, very threatened men. A small cohort who are fighting like cornered rats…”

  375. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 5:39 pm

    “In addition to a thought, ostrich now claims to also have a point”

    Well one of us has to. You wont answer the question.

    And you are too fucking clueless to even consider the evidence other than to point towards possible “sarcasm”. And even if it was “sarcasm” she still restricted her venom to Mcguire et al………who are rather conveniently her radio rivals.

    Only the fucking chronically stupid and most fucking gullible could possibly see otherwise and not surprisingly you tick those two boxes big time with one of these……………….

  376. Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2016 5:46 pm

    “You’ve done just what steve price did, not respond to the issue”

    This is what you stated earlier……….

    “I think she knows how she feels about it and she let everyone know at the time, that she felt mcguire had ‘crossed the line’……”

    So I’ll ask you since our resident Troll has not a clue.

    Why did she not attack her 3AW colleagues with the same outrage she showed McGuire ?

    Answer : ” PAYBACK TIME ”

    And I’m no Eddie lover. The guy is a dickhead (even from Sydney we can tell that ) but here we have a case of massive confected outrage.

  377. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 13, 2016 5:56 pm

    “Why should people just keep excusing this public misogyny time and time again, letting them apologise and then saying let’s forget about it now and have them go on just as before.”

    Spare us the faux-outrage, KL. Your comments frequently include racism, sexism and ageism, generally targeting old white men. Your comments about DV are limited to attacks by men when in fact DV is a greater problem in lesbian relationships (and that’s no bull).

    If people want to get all hysterical about the use of the word “hysterical” they should just settle themselves down with a jar of anal lube a administer good self-fisting. They’ll end up experiencing the same level of satisfaction and we won’t have to read their self-righteous drivel.

    TB wins the prize for moral posturing and virtue signalling for his 1.22pm wank. (The prize being a very large beach towel to wipe his rancid yet strangely runny semen off his contorted face.) If he got that angry about a few words, imagine his outrage at government which knowingly lured 1,200 people to drown at sea for no other reason than hubris. Oh wait …….

  378. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 6:07 pm

    And you are too fucking clueless to even consider the evidence …

    I know who’s clueless …

    Like I said a few days ago its like watching bricks trying to build a wall …

    What would you know wally, you’ve been a misguided misogynist defender and culprit for as long as I’ve read your comments …

    I just hope that your written comments don’t translate into similar actions in the real world …

    I still recall my mum covered in blood sitting in the corner of her kitchen – with food and smashed crockery all over the room … as my father poured another beer …

    Your lack of empathy for women is not only disturbing, its insulting to anyone who has suffered physical, emotional and psychological humiliation by a man – simply because they are (usually) physically stronger …

    Lucky you if you have never experienced it … or seen it!

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 6:08 pm

    TB wins the prize for moral posturing and virtue signalling for his 1.22pm wank.

    Get fucked you ignorant fucking brick!

  380. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 6:39 pm

    As i said ostrich, she only used venom against those who had used venom against her, not sarcasm

    But keep yer head firmly planted in the soil if that’s yer wish

  381. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2016 6:41 pm

    Like watching pricks building up their balls more like it TB

  382. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 6:51 pm

    Why did she not attack her 3AW colleagues with the same outrage she showed McGuire ?
    Answer : ” PAYBACK TIME ”

    Where’s the audio, not just a small segment of a transcript you’re quoting wally and the link for that matter?

    I hardly call her quite measured and reflective words about the incident as an ‘outrage’ I just had a listen to them.

    The outrage has came from others in the media and the wider audience.

    As far as I can judge, she’s a good journo who does her job as most of the commenters in the link below acknowledge. Eddie doesn’t like being held to account and doesn’t take criticism well, he prefers the boys club. I’d agree, the entire ‘banter’ was all about payback – his, he certainly instigated it and relished in it.

    http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/06/21/its-not-caroline-wilson-but-eddie-james-and-danny-who-need-to-go/

    …Lroy said | June 21st 2016 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

    I think thats the whole point.. hes not some 19 year old footy player from the bush who posted a dumb video on youtube.. this bloke is the head of Channel 9, hosts TV shows and is President of the most famous club in the land.

    How can he possibly remain part of this ”prevent violence against women” campaign after shooting his mouth of like that?

    Sorry, I think his position is untenable now.. he was lucky not be be censured by the AFL after his Goodes faux pas. You’d have to think the board at Channel 9 will be having a good look at him over this. If any CEO of any publicly listed company in Australia had said what Eddie had, he/she would have been sacked already.

    Thats got nothing to do with being politically correct, his joke wasn’t even remotely funny, and its inconceivable that he didnt know it was about as offensive as it can get. he may as well have made a joke about giving your wife a slap across the chops if she burnt your dinner.

    Sorry Ed, loved you on the footy show, but this latest incident shows either an arrogance, or stupidity that most of us were not aware you had in you… really, we thought you were better than that…

    michael RVC said | June 21st 2016 @ 10:44am | ! Report

    …Caro is a brave and brilliant journo in a male bravado dominated industry. She has rightly called this one out and she is also right, it is out of order and deserves the scrutiny and criticism. Interesting………last night on OTC Jason Dunstall made the comment about what was “äcceptable” back in the day….etc etc……..and his comment is completely understandable to someone my age. However, upon reflection, the question is……..acceptable to whom? Obviously not the target, which in too many vases were women. It wasn’t acceptable to them then and obviously it isn’t now. Fair enough, we need to lift the game into the 21st century…

  383. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 6:58 pm

    Spare us the faux-outrage, KL. Your comments frequently include racism, sexism and ageism, generally targeting old white men.

    let me guess

    Because they are so in the minority? 🙄

    they have to rail against such an unfair system, the new victims [if we lived in a topsy, turvy world]

  384. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2016 7:08 pm

    Wow. nuclear war may be about to start and lefties are worried about what Labor supporter Eddie mcQuire says

  385. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 7:18 pm

    If people want to get all hysterical about the use of the word “hysterical” they should just settle themselves down with a jar of anal lube a administer good self-fisting. They’ll end up experiencing the same level of satisfaction and we won’t have to read their self-righteous drivel.

    We’ll leave that to you for your own self-pleasuring upon reading your words in print – takes all kinds, but you could even do it while listening to old mate pricey jerking off. Must be why you insist on flaunting your arsehole over every page!

    Most of us know how the word ‘hysterical’ originated [except the moronic dinosaur steve price it would appear] perhaps his dickhead mate eddie knows.

  386. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 7:27 pm

    Like watching pricks building up their balls more like it TB

    Nah, pricks are actually sensitive!

    These discussions bring back some awful memories for me …

    And I apologise if some people thought I took the “high moral ground” and “deserved” a virtual prize!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wow. nuclear war may be about to start and lefties are worried about what Labor supporter Eddie mcQuire says

    May _ who knows … nuclear war = we’re all fucked … Labor Supporter mcQuire????

    You are a fuckin airhead of the silliest kind … check you leaking taps … Russian Scientist Labor Immigrants just fucked your plumbing … you’ll drown!

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 7:28 pm

    I hope!

  388. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 7:44 pm

    Survivor advocate Tarang Chawla’s challenge to Steve Price
    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/survivor-advocate-tarang-chawlas-challenge-to-steve-price/news-story/a188725853ee6570ff00ec7ad284c118

    …Steve, sexist comments thinly disguised as “banter” are part of a complex problem.
    They feed a culture of male privilege and entitlement that lead to victim-blaming, justifying violence and excusing misogynistic attitudes.
    It doesn’t have to be that way, and accepting that won’t take away your privilege.
    As others on the panel pointed out – we’ve come a long way. But there’s still a long way to go to make gender equality a reality in our country.
    Steve, you can get upset because your mates’ jokes weren’t that all funny, or you can be upset because women are being murdered.
    It’s your call, mate…

  389. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 8:11 pm

    These discussions bring back some awful memories for me …

    And I apologise if some people thought I took the “high moral ground” and “deserved” a virtual prize!

    No need to ever apologise to me TB, you stood up for your mum all those years ago and you may well have saved her life.

    Won’t it be a wonderful world when hardly anyone has to re-live such memories? ❤

  390. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2016 8:21 pm

    Labor Supporter mcQuire????

    Yep McQuire votes Labor. If lefties knew this AO would be saying something different

  391. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2016 10:12 pm

    Eddie McGuire has been approached by the ALP a couple of times to stand for parliament.

    His brother is already an ALP MP

  392. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 10:37 pm

    What’s wrong with people … over the border …

    NSW win State of Origin with a huge penalty rate against QLD … and they want to have a biff up!

    Dopey or dumb?

    Referees – absolutely incompetent …

    Series QLD 2 NSW 1 … as usual!

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2016 10:39 pm

    Won’t it be a wonderful world when hardly anyone has to re-live such memories?

    Yes … and thanks KL! 🙂

  394. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2016 10:59 pm

    If lefties knew this AO would be saying something different

    I doubt it, I couldn’t care which way ‘mcquire’ votes.

    Eddie McGuire has been approached by the ALP a couple of times to stand for parliament.

    At least his brother doesn’t make national headlines for all the wrong reasons [as far as I’m aware] I don’t know anything about him though, I’ll remember to watch out for the family trait!

    I think we should try to avoid family dynasties when it comes to politics, surely there are enough unrelated people in the country to choose from [I also know that political inbreeding affects both sides]. Why entrench the corruption and treat power as an inheritance?

  395. Walrus permalink
    July 14, 2016 9:14 am

    “The prize being a very large beach towel to wipe his rancid yet strangely runny semen off his contorted face”

    LOL

    That’s truly Shakespearean Splatter

  396. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 9:25 am

    Hang on, so, you are implying that the ALP are in the wrong somehow because of “which way ‘mcquire’ votes”

    Does this mean that there is an acknowledgment, no matter how grudgingly, that mcquire just might be a misoginisyc asshole after all?

  397. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 9:28 am

    NOTHING. TO. SEE. HERE. !!!

  398. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 9:32 am

    misoginisyc ????

    And just to prove that the ALP has it’s own share of misoginisyc misogynistic twats.

  399. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2016 9:45 am

    So the left went into a spin at the thought of professional women being paid their salary to take parental leave, but think it’s fine for rich people to pay zero for a visit to the doctor.

    I don’t get the standards of ‘the left’

  400. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 9:54 am

    I don’t get the standards of ‘the left’

    I don’t get the thinking of the stoopid.

    The argument against that, was, with a ‘budget emergency’, lavishing that, unfunded, is just stupid.

    Whereas a full medicare cover for all WAS funded (until some idiot started pushing those funds into the private sector), and cutting taxes from those who it was supposed to help support.

    You really need to go away and have a read up about taxes yomm. They truly should not be one giant churn back to those paying them.

  401. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 9:56 am

    How the hell does this happen, after all the shit we’ve been through recently.

    Easy, remove ‘red tape’, and fight for the cheapest materials you can (which can no longer be checked because … red tape)

  402. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2016 10:04 am

    So the funding for parental leave (to allow professionals to take time off at their actual salary) was to come out of a tax on the biggest businesses in the country.

    And you argued against that, but you’re in favour of giving every rich person in the country free doctor visits.

    That’s the great logic of the left

  403. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2016 10:06 am

    Your comments about DV are limited to attacks by men when in fact DV is a greater problem in lesbian relationships (and that’s no bull).

    Simple maths could tell me that’s not true, unless you are somehow saying that there are more women in australia in lesbian relationships than in heterosexual ones. Pretty sure [without even checking] that’s not true. Yes, I know that there is DV in lesbian relationships, just as there are in male-to-male relationships, perhaps there is a higher ratio too, but the vast majority of DV numbers is in the general heterosexual community.

    Besides, does it matter? Should we accept it any lesser in gays than we do in the general community?

    And WTF does any of that have to do with the debate about eddie? Talk about diversion and put-down! This discussion has really proved the point that van badham was making about steve price [and men defending sexist male behaviour], with the honourable exceptions being tomR, TB and meta.

    Anyway, I’m not really into reading and watching porn, so will leave you to your own sexual imaginings/punishments I think.

  404. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 10:24 am

    was to come out of a tax on the biggest businesses in the country.

    Which, IF it went ahead, would have been far better going back into a public health system that works.

    Fix that first.

    And, it is not only “giving every rich person in the country free doctor visits.”, it is giving EVERY person, regardless of wealth (or anything else, free MEDICAL treatments.

    Whereas, the ‘women of substance’ scheme, gave MORE taxpayer dollars to those who needed it less.

    I don’t disagree with it entirely, but not at the expense of more pressing issues, like basic health cover for all.

    And, of course, it never went ahead, did it.

  405. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 10:28 am

    and that’s no bull

    Do we HAVE to take your word for it? Supporting linkages would be appreciated 😉

    I’m not really into reading and watching porn

    Sorry, but I have a weakness (and a tendency to pronounce it incorrectly apparently)

  406. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2016 10:34 am

    Rich people “need” health cover that gives them free medical visits? Uncapped?

    While professional women should be financially penalised because they have a child?

    That’s left logic

  407. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 10:46 am

    Rich people “need” health cover

    ALL people ‘need’ health cover.

    Not ALL people get paid a professional womans rates.

    That’s stoopids logic. Ignoring the ALL bit, whilst focusing on ‘teh’ rich.

  408. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2016 10:52 am

    Yep, so force a professional woman suffer a financial penalty for having a child (that’s your position)

    Make sure rich people get the taxpayer to provide endless free medical appointments (that’s also your position)

    Left types make great sense in the allocation of scarce resources!

  409. July 14, 2016 11:01 am

    In,,,,even better news, I`ve just been upgraded to business class!,,,,,,,

    # ,, Hangin`out with the `accountants` huh. Lucky You. (-:

  410. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 11:10 am

    (that’s your position)

    You not only ignore the ALL in the equation, you also ignore the words that I have written

    I don’t disagree with it entirely

    it’s called reading yomm

    Make sure rich people get the taxpayer to provide endless free medical appointments (that’s also your position)

    You do understand that, ideally, rich people are also ‘teh’ taxpayer, and (ideally) pay a lot more than the poorer people.

    Are you beginning to cotton on to this yet?

  411. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 11:12 am

    On closer inspection, it is beginning to look like wallies really an ostrich, and yomm is the Gutters answer to barnaby

  412. July 14, 2016 11:19 am

    Oh-the-dumb-fcuk,,,,,Subsidised service without means testing just results in over use and inefficiency,,,,,

    # ,, perhaps boo-melb might want to investigate the `efficiency` of teh-usa `social-service-void` instead of gargling-mindlessly teabag flavored crap

    # ,, might want to dig deeper into history to find out `why` various towns and `states` implemented `public-medical` services too

  413. July 14, 2016 11:33 am

    AO,,,,,,,,he(#price) tried to make out he was ambushed, I doubt it, he was the one who was defending `his good mates`(#blot),,,,,,

    # ,, you`re correct armchair, price `ambushed` himself spectacularly after badham spanked the teabags (-: (-: (-: (-: #qandaland

  414. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2016 12:48 pm

    So Tom R, you’re arguing for the principle that if people pay tax they’re entitled to access the benefit?

  415. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2016 12:49 pm

    Hooray for mindlesss personal trolls!!!

  416. July 14, 2016 12:51 pm

    So Leftist`s, ethical quagmire, am l a `misogynist` if l enjoy the idea of jooLiar in a chaff sack, with blib???? Or chaining planet-janet and the devine-miss-m to a lump of cement along with dear-old-piers and blot???? Before `ocean` dumping.

    (keep in mind the most ethical items mentioned are the lump of cement and the chaff sack)

  417. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2016 1:39 pm

    Personal trolls are like having a personal jester! Although I’m unsure which end is speaking.

  418. Walrus permalink
    July 14, 2016 1:41 pm

    Ever since the freezing cold snap of this week I have noticed the wife is staring through the window a lot.

    If it gets any worse I might have to let her in.

  419. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 1:41 pm

    you’re arguing for the principle that if people pay tax they’re entitled to access the benefit?

    It depends on the ‘benefit’, doesn’t it. Should a successful professional be able to get a low income supplement?

    A broad based medical scheme is the most cost effective

    Here’s some food for thought for people who want to send a ‘price signal’ for visiting a GP

    Diagnosis 3 was November’s Bettering the Evaluation and Care of Health (Beach) report which exposed the stupidity of the stated aim of the GP tax to cut GP visits by 1 million consultations a year.

    The report found Labor reforms to reward longer consultations are working, with GPs spending more time with their patients, and diagnosing an increasingly complex series of health issues.

    The average consultation time is now 14.4 minutes, almost a minute longer than just three years earlier.

    The authors of the report are clear that spending on GP services is a sound investment that is reducing pressure on the health budget.

    http://www.alp.org.au/the_facts_on_medicare_don_t_lie_it_s_affordable_and_effective_without_a_gp_tax

  420. Walrus permalink
    July 14, 2016 1:43 pm

    14 Pakistanis have been killed in Bradford UK overnight

    It was not a terrorist attack, but a bunk bed collapsed.

    Police are blaming AL IKEA

  421. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 1:46 pm

    If it gets any worse I might have to let her in.

    With you?

    You’re a cruel ostrich aren’tya

  422. July 14, 2016 2:51 pm

    Dumb is not of itself a bad thing. Like a netballer who can`t spell her name but can see a gap in the defence half a second before anyone else. Or a dancer who couldn’t tell you which way a door opens but can touch you with his movement. Sometimes dumb is just another word for being unable to explain what comes naturally or instinctively.

    And then sometimes dumb is exactly how it sounds: lacking real thought, responding by rote, abandoning imagination and continuing to do so long after signs of life have escaped

    https://www.facebook.com/BernardZuelWritings/

  423. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2016 3:30 pm

    Barnaby Joyce share the level of research that goes into his decisions

    It wasn’t barnaby;s decision. It was the decision of the NSW govt. It is a strange world where a NSW Liberal govt is in bed with the Greens to stop Greyhound racing. Seems a bit harsh. Why not clean up the sport rather than abolish it?

  424. Walrus permalink
    July 14, 2016 3:52 pm

    “Why not clean up the sport rather than abolish it?”

    This is why

    “A Sydney greyhound owner and trainer appeared earlier in the day and denied using rabbits for live baiting, saying he kept them for his grandchildren and as food for himself.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-30/rabbits-were-for-food-not-live-baiting-says-greyhound-trainer/6815364

    “Greyhound Racing NSW (GRNSW) will reluctantly withdraw eight ongoing inquiries that arose from footage aired on the Four Corners Making A Killing program after it was determined that the covert footage obtained by Animals Australia breaches the Surveillance Devices Act 2005 and potentially exposes GRNSW to criminal prosecution.

    A number of witnesses that gave evidence at the Special Commission of Inquiry into the Greyhound Racing Industry in NSW have subsequently refused to answer questions or assist GRNSW’s inquiries. Accordingly as GRNSW has no power to compel witnesses to attend and/or answer questions, and the Special Commissions of Inquiry Act 1983 prevents admissions of wrongdoing by witnesses being used in other proceedings, GRNSW concluded there was insufficient evidence to lay charges against these participants.”

    https://www.thedogs.com.au/NewsArticle.aspx?NewsId=7361

    The industry deserves no mercy

  425. July 14, 2016 4:17 pm

    The,,,,,,,,industry deserves no mercy,,,,,,,

    # ,, You`re making the wrong noises. Better get back on the tea-trolley. Think of the $$$$$

  426. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 4:22 pm

    Why not clean up the sport rather than abolish it?

    Too much ‘red tape’

    We must abolish all ‘red tape’ rather than have people comply.

    http://workinglife.org.au/2016/07/13/asbestos-discovery-sparks-national-alert/

  427. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2016 4:23 pm

    I see the image of my personal troll jester/butler, and know that there’s someone who carefully reads everything I write. I don’t even need to read any of their comments – I just know that they read and think about mine!

    It’s a great service

  428. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 4:40 pm

    and know that there’s someone who carefully reads everything I write.

    [sigh] If only you’d do the same for me before going of the rails and looking all barnaby for us 😉

  429. July 14, 2016 4:46 pm

    “The industry deserves no mercy”

    I disagree. Mike Baird has made a massive fuck-up boo-boo on this one.

  430. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 4:54 pm

    The industry deserves no mercy

    Not many had the same of opinion of the live trade with Indonesia around here I recall. And that was only a temporary halt.

    I tend to agree with tosy. If the Government cannot control a few dog owners, what hope for the rest?

  431. July 14, 2016 5:12 pm

    Is Mike Baird a wowser? He introduced NSW’s lockout laws and enforced 10pm bottle shop closures. Now he’s banning greyhound racing.

    You’d have to ask the resident expert on all things Christian, but maybe it’s a Catholic Protestant thing? “Baird also studied at Regent College in Vancouver, Canada, initially intending to enter the Anglican ministry”

  432. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2016 6:51 pm

    The other thing about Greyhound racing is that i think it is private industry.I don’t think they get any money from the govt. It creates jobs and generates tax revenue

  433. July 15, 2016 8:34 am

    Over-night there was another out-break of teabag-panic in france, car-crash, fire-works, stampede. #abc24

  434. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 8:57 am

    Yet medicare is a ‘money pit’?

  435. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 9:14 am

    So Margo is a cretin as well as an anti-Semite.

  436. July 15, 2016 9:21 am

    Bastile day in`nice` is being reported as an `attack` by bbc/abc24, the `Lorry` zig-zag thru crowds, 60+ `dead`, plod shot dead lorry-driver, dog-knows `injured` #lock.down

  437. July 15, 2016 9:44 am

    At least 70 dead in france #bbc/abc24

  438. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 10:13 am

    “I disagree. Mike Baird has made a massive fuck-up boo-boo on this one.”

    I agree he has not sold it very well but ………

    1) The Industry has been previously warned to clean up its act.

    2) Dogs are carnivores unlike horses.

    3) Dogs have multiple births each year producing multiple offspring and multiple slow unwanted dogs

    4) Because dogs are reasonably portable many of these dogs are housed in private
    ordinary residential homes/rural properties.

    5) Live baiting does not actually require a open air racetrack. It can be conducted in a shed
    or large room with a live rabbit (or whatever) tied to a string and used to taunt the dog.

    Its pretty difficult to police an industry like that

  439. July 15, 2016 11:03 am

    he,,,has not sold it very well but,,,,

    Premier Garden Gnome has collapsed like a house of cards under the smallest breeze from the Pinkists. Why are you letting the pinkists swing you around the room by your nads. Previously teabags have been pro-cruelty when it comes to poultry(in the millions), pigs, sheep, goats, cattle(in tens thousands). Suddenly you derail your own tea-trolley because a few bunny`s(pests) get chomped or a few mutts get bumped-off. Think of the $$$$$. l am sending kneel over to your joint to strap you securely to your tea-trolley. #dill

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