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  1. July 14, 2016 8:38 pm

    Fucque ewe yew queynte.

  2. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2016 9:59 pm

    You cun’t say that tosy, it’s rude

  3. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 9:06 am

    France is in mourning again. They are getting hit from all sides.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/14/nice-bastille-day-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle?CMP=share_btn_tw

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 9:21 am

    Actually they are mainly getting hit from one side – the cunty Muslim side.

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 9:56 am

    I was in France this time last year, and had thought about going back this year. I quite like Nice.

    It’s dreadful.

  6. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 10:15 am

    Where is our Religious Commentator this morning ?

  7. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 10:16 am

    Is it too early to whisper………………………………………..Islam ?

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 10:22 am

    It seems like only yesterday that Sonia McMahon died (actually it was 2010 I was shocked to learn) and now Lady Susan has departed this mortal coil. Together with Junie Morosi and Ainsley Gotto* they were the sparkling icons of a bygone era of glitz and glam. It is hard to recapture the steamy sensual frisson, that added touch of lust and lustre which infused the politics of the era. Especially when we have to make do with Tim Mathieson and Peta Credlin and the like (no disrespect intended of course!)

    *Some of us are old enough to remember the famous line of a sacked minister attributing his demise to the influence of Gotto on PM John Gorton as follows: “It wiggles, it’s shapely and its name is Ainsley Gotto.”

  9. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 10:27 am

    “Is it too early to whisper………………………………………..Islam ?”

    It is always too early. Just like the other 27,000 terror attacks since 9/11 carried out by Muslims this has nothing, nothing at all, to do with Islam. I will let you know what the real cause in just as soon as I read the Guardian.

    And remember, the real victims in all of this are of course the innocent Muslims who will be “Islamophobed” as a result of the Nice attack.

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 10:42 am

    The real cause of the Nice massacre is obviously trucks. France has notoriously lax truck laws. It is very easy to buy a weapons-grade truck capable of killing dozens of people in one incident. And now trucks are going about killing people willy-nilly.

    France needs to update its truck laws to the same standard as its gun laws.

  11. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 10:46 am

    Friday prayers start at Noon.

    I wonder what will be said in the Mosques around Lakemba ?

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 11:08 am

    “Friday prayers start at Noon. “

    It seems a bit strange that a bunch of blokes who spend Friday arvo on their knees waggling their arses in the air also pretend to be anti-gay. But then homosexuality is only banned on earth. In heaven good Muslims get boys as well as 72 virgins. The bum waggling is probably due to their rapturous contemplation of heavenly pleasures.

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 11:09 am

    “I wonder what will be said in the Mosques around Lakemba ?”

    Something along the lines of Keep on Truckin’ I guess.

  14. July 15, 2016 11:38 am

    About now, the citizens of france might be wanting their own chilcot-like report on why the sarcozie-teabag joined `our` middle-east disaster, when their previous-prez had kept them out.

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 11:51 am

    Unsurprisingly, the terrorist was a Muslim of Tunisian origin.

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 11:58 am

    That’s a surprise SB.

    Probably didn’t have a driver’s license

  17. July 15, 2016 12:03 pm

    So what do we do about this Muslim scum?

  18. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 12:03 pm

    “Unsurprisingly, the terrorist was a Muslim of Tunisian origin.”

    I don’t remember us invading Tunisia.

    Did any Australian Catholics or Church of England types take part in the “Troubles” when Northern Ireland was at war with itself ?

  19. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 12:05 pm

    “So what do we do about this Muslim scum?”

  20. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 12:25 pm

    You are underestimating the magnitude of the problem, Walrus. That doesn’t even take out Tunisia, much less deal with Boko Haram, ISIS in Libya, Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb, Abu Sayyaf , Jemaah Islamiyah, Lashkar-e-Taiba‎, Indian Mujahideen, or any of the countless other Islamic terror groups.

  21. July 15, 2016 12:29 pm

    I much prefer Boko Haram’s earlier stuff.

    Like “a whiter shade of pale..”

  22. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 12:30 pm

    “You are underestimating the magnitude of the problem, Walrus.”

    You are absolutely correct.

    I must have a bit of pesky dove in my DNA somewhere…………

  23. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 12:45 pm

    ““So what do we do about this Muslim scum?””

    Nothing. Given that we can’t even name the problem there is no real political will to solve it.

    Perhaps France or some other European country will finally get sick of being permanently living in fear of Muslim terrorist attacks and take some serious but likely very unpleasant action. Or even better, one of the more pusillanimous countries will be overrun to the point of adopting Sharia law. When that happens we may convince ourselves of the need to take some action.

    One of the real problems is the desire of the left to see diversity as a good in itself and ram it down the throats of the general populace. It looks like we are going to learn the hard way about the limits of diversity and the differential abilities of various groups to integrate.

    In the meantime we should go along with the Greens and lefty refugee advocates and continue Muslim immigration apace. In fact I think that it can be used to eliminate white privilege.

    The way to do this is to ensure that whites are in a minority and Western culture, the foundation of white privilege, is destroyed by multiculturalism. We need to import as many Muslim refugees as is possible. Islam is a great religion for this purpose as it will seek to dominate rather than integrate.

    And if you are raped by any of the new culture-enrichers the politically correct thing to do is to lie to police about their identity so as not to encourage racism! When we finally get to the stage where politicians are prepared to tell the real truth rather than the politically correct truth then maybe we can actually do something useful.

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 12:50 pm

    “I much prefer Boko Haram’s earlier stuff.

    Like “a whiter shade of pale..”

    Get with the times, man. They only had 16 vestal virgins in that old song. You get 72 nowadays. What’s not to like about that?

  25. July 15, 2016 1:02 pm

    #illrunoveryou

  26. July 15, 2016 1:07 pm

    Fairfax seems a bit clueless as to why this happened.

  27. July 15, 2016 1:13 pm

    Same with the NYT:

    “What We Don’t Know

    • Who committed the attacks, and why.”

  28. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 1:21 pm

    From ToSY’s Fairfax link

    “The reason for the crash remains unclear”

    Brakes perhaps ……………….?

    If so the Police are rather harsh to shoot the poor old truck driver.

    #religionofpeace

  29. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 1:25 pm

    “The reason for the crash remains unclear”

    I bet the truck driver was playing Pokemon Go.

    It’s the only rational explanation

  30. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 1:27 pm

    Solidarity bro – #I’llridewithyou in your big new truck.

  31. July 15, 2016 1:31 pm

    It was a “crash”, some kind of accident, apparently. Maybe the driver spilled his coffee.

  32. July 15, 2016 1:49 pm

    “Solidarity bro – #I’llridewithyou in your big new truck.”

    That’s gold Sb!

    Reminds me of the time ToSY took the piss out of me over that whole I’ll ride you with you nonsense…

  33. July 15, 2016 1:53 pm

    Julie Bishop has said our thoughts and sympathies are with the victims and their families. Under Abbott it would have been thought and prayers.

  34. July 15, 2016 2:03 pm

    I noticed that too ToSY, I prefer “sympathies” although I’m not even sure if I’d go that far.

    Maybe a compromise would be “our thoughts that shit happens…”

  35. July 15, 2016 2:14 pm

    Or a more honest message: “We send our thoughts and thank the gods Australia is a hell of a long way from the Middle-East. Have a nice rest of the day.”

  36. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 2:44 pm

    Shi’ites Happen?

  37. July 15, 2016 2:44 pm

    Richard Di Natale has gone with “thoughts” and “condolences. He does, however, offer a solution:

    “In the face of attacks like this we must strengthen our commitment to peaceful democracy, respect for diversity and building cohesion in our global community.”

    Yeah, whatever.

  38. July 15, 2016 2:55 pm

    Unconfirmed reports have the driver yelling allahu bullbar.

  39. Cnuts permalink
    July 15, 2016 3:07 pm

    I said, “That souns like the end of the song. What about the beginning?

    He said, “Thats jus it you see thats why he wer too late he never come in to it at the beginning.”

    I said, “You never sung no beginning if youd sung it he cudve come in to it.”

    He said, “I never sung no beginning becaws you wont never fynd no beginning its long gone and far pas. What ever youre after youwl never fynd the beginning of it thats why youwl all ways be too late. Onlyes thing youwl ever fynd is the end of things. What ever happens itwl be what you dint want to happen. What ever dont happen thatwl be the thing you wantit. Take your choosing how you like youwl get what you dont want.” ”

  40. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 3:26 pm

    Actually they are mainly getting hit from one side – the cunty Muslim side.

    Yes, that is certainly true. But, as has also been mentioned here, what do we do about the problem.

    I see some usual suspects with the usual answer, bomb ’em more!

    Which, after the revelations within the Chilcott report, is exceedingly ignorant.

    Bombing them more is why we are here.

    Undoubtedly, especially with ISIS, we are at a point where force is required (it appears)

    But the only way to stop this in any meaningful manner is at street level. At the moment, ISIS are winning that battle.

    As long as knee-jerk reactions rule the day, this will continue.

  41. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 3:37 pm

    So far in 2016 there have been 1,268 Islamic attacks in 50 countries, in which 11,664 people were killed and 14,087 injured. There is a list of them here.

    That number of deaths is trivial (as in .0002%) compared to the 55 million people who die world wide each year. So lets no all get our knickers in a knot. It really is a tiny price to pay for living in a world of diversity. We need to tell those French pussies that this is merely an irritant (as Waleed Aly would say) and that they should just get over themselves and on with the business of taking in more Syrian (and Tunisian) refugees.

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 3:52 pm

    “Bombing them more is why we are here.”

    You ignorant cunt.

  43. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 3:54 pm

    You ignorant cunt.

    Well, you’ve convinced me.

    http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-blueprint-for-armageddon-i/

  44. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 4:08 pm

    Angela Merkel’s invitation for the Middle East to come to Europe worked out well.

    I guess she’s just waking up having breakfast in her secure compound in her Aryan neighbourhood

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2016 4:10 pm

    Tom R this is supposed to be a cunty thread. There is not enough cuntiness about your comments.

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2016 5:20 pm

    I don’t remember us invading Tunisia.

    The French conquest of Tunisia occurred in 1881. Tunisia gained independence with Habib Bourguiba and declared the Tunisian Republic in 1957. In 2011, the Tunisian Revolution resulted in the overthrow of President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, followed by parliamentary elections. The country voted for parliament again on 26 October 2014,[19] and for President on 23 November 2014.[20]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia

  47. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 5:26 pm

    “The French conquest of Tunisia occurred in 1881. Tunisia gained independence with Habib Bourguiba and declared the Tunisian Republic in 1957.”

    59 years later………………..Oh that makes sense

    “The country voted for parliament again on 26 October 2014,”

    Yeah……..who wants Democracy

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2016 5:39 pm

    Here’s a clue … how many years did France “rule” Tunisia? … one of the most vicious colonial powers BTW …

    Ya think there’s no resentment there?* Whatever fkn religion they are … all religions are a menace to the planet … but bloody (literally) European (and more recently US) regimes created a legacy we all now suffer …

    At the moment a bunch of murderous thugs is waging war against the Western world in the name of religion because they are shit scared that their archaic way of life is at risk …

    One truck – one driver brings a nation to its knees … incredible …

    * I grew up with people resentful of the toffs in London (and they still are – apparently) … based on the fkn War of The Roses! And we know that York is the real capital of England!

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 5:48 pm

    Yeah TB! TB is correct!

    That’s why the people of Tahiti, bits of Canada and their old bits of South America are also driving trucks though crowds of people

    Of course this outrage has nothing to do with the culture/religion of the middle east

  50. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 5:58 pm

    There is not enough cuntiness about your comments.

    I like to think that my comments are bringing the cant out in others.

    eg, you 😉

    Of course this outrage has nothing to do with the culture/religion of the middle east

    Or the perpetual degradation of that area by ‘teh’ West. All for their own good mind you.

  51. Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2016 5:59 pm

    “I grew up with people resentful …………………………”

    Wow…….who would have thought ?

    🙂

  52. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:01 pm

    Of course this outrage has nothing to do with the culture/religion of the middle east

    Of course, we probably do need to wait and see. As ‘merica shows us repeatedly, and even though yomm refuses to acknowledge, extremist Muslims are not the only extremists out there.

    Crazy comes in a wide variety of shades

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:07 pm

    Or the perpetual degradation…

    I don’t think so. I first visited the middle east over 3 decades ago. There was a strong pro western orientation, some meanspiritedness, but over the years (during other visits I’ve formed the opinion that) the religious zealots and general nutcases have gained ascendency.

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:16 pm

    I think most of South America and Africa as well as Australian indigenous people have suffered exploitation and dispossession at least as much as the middle east.

    There is something about the middle east that is violent, and simply blaming the west doesn’t explain it. It’s dumb.

  55. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:21 pm

    I don’t think so.

    The world according to yomm

    I reckon there’s an oscar in that for ya somewhere 😉

    the religious zealots and general nutcases have gained ascendency.

    Interesting, around the time ‘merica really started sticking their nose into things. Just when they are gettin’ up, kick ’em back on down again.

    Who put Saddam in again?

    Who tore him back down.

    Who enabled ISIS (read Chilcot if in doubt)

  56. Canutes permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:23 pm

    (Crazy comes in a wide variety of shades

    Correct, peace‘n’prosperity is black‘n’white.)

  57. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:23 pm

    and simply blaming the west doesn’t explain it.

    Of course not, there is much more involved (see my link above to Dan Carlin)

    But ignoring the wests role is just as dumb.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/intelligence-files-support-claims-iraq-invasion-helped-spawn-isis

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:24 pm

    I think I’m entitled to pass an opinion because I can comment from observations of the middle east over 35 years.

    Can you?

  59. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:29 pm

    peace‘n’prosperity is black‘n’white

    A psychopathic poet?

  60. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:31 pm

    I think I’m entitled to pass an opinion

    Perfect choice of words yomm.

    I just passed something too. Now the families looking at me funny.

    Offer your opinion all you want, don’t complain when someone disagrees (or points out the view of a tourist is not the view of a resident)

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:38 pm

    I realise I’ve only been a tourist, but an experienced and interested tourist.

    I was in Egypt (for example) a week before Anwar Sadat was assassinated, things like that provide perspective.

    And back then the middle east had a sizable pro-western and educated population

    All you can say is – I’ve read an article on a blog (or something)

    And all the arguments about the behaviour of the west don’t explain why other groups that have suffered even more privations don’t drive trucks through crowds of innocent people.

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:45 pm

    Of course this outrage has nothing to do with the culture/religion of the middle east

    Yes it does ya dill … the culture that we infiltrated … we should have simply let the stupid fuckers fight amongst themselves … but then OIL reared it ugly head … and we spent litres of young Australian blood and billions of $$$ of treasure!

    Short memories or what!

    I don’t think so. I first visited the middle east over 3 decades ago. There was a strong pro western orientation, some meanspiritedness, but over the years (during other visits I’ve formed the opinion that) the religious zealots and general nutcases have gained ascendency.

    FMD! ToM … I thought you were intelligent … WHY? What was the cause?

    I was in Egypt in ’97 … pro western … nah … a good life and happiness is all they wanted … associated us with the Diggers of WWI and WWII and fuck The West … yer ideaoligy is getting in the way … or wishful thinking …

    Fear by the “controllers’ of the ” faith” in the EAST – of the West … you may recall me commenting about the Muslim Brotherhood and them taking over Egypt – “be careful what you wish for?” … well guess what – its like HIV all over the Middle East …

    I think I’m entitled to pass an opinion because I can comment from observations of the middle east over 35 years.

    But you also comment one things you obviously have no experience in – constantly – taking some sort of high moral ground doesn’t make you immune from terrorist action …

    If you had been in Nice … how would three decades of visiting the ME have helped …

    Having experienced a riot in PNG (in the middle of the fkn thing) does not make me an expert on arseholes!

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 6:56 pm

    I have personally experienced…

    OR

    I read some stuff on a blog (or an article by someone)…

  64. July 15, 2016 6:58 pm

    Let’s just say all this inconvenient Islamobother is a direct result of European colonisation and US aggression. What then? Are TomR and Richard Di Natale saying we should accept certain aggrieved Arab types driving trucks over crowds of innocent people because it’s all our own fault? We started it, so we’ve got it coming. Men, women, children, it doesn’t matter. You know, Crusades, Iraq, and all that. We should cower in the corner and thank our new overlords for each beheaded non-believer, because we really, really deserve it.

    Fuck that.

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2016 7:04 pm

    The argument – “the west is mean” doesn’t explain why all other regions that were colonised or dispossessed haven’t turned to such violence.

    There is an angry culture in the middle east.

  66. July 15, 2016 7:16 pm

    “over the years (during other visits I’ve formed the opinion that) the religious zealots and general nutcases have gained ascendency.”

    There seems to be a certain amount of truth to that.

    IT DIDN’T ALWAYS SUCK TO BE A WOMAN IN AFGHANISTAN

  67. In_the_sticks permalink
    July 15, 2016 8:08 pm

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2016 8:24 pm

    There is an angry culture in the middle east.

    But you just said it wasn’t!

  69. July 15, 2016 8:50 pm

    NSW Premier Mike Baird announcing the state remained strong in its support for France.

    “France, your flag flies proudly & defiantly on Sydney’s bridge,” he tweeted.

    “We stand with you. And our hearts grieve with yours.”

    Good on ya Mike. You fuckwit.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2016 9:39 pm

    You know, Crusades, Iraq, and all that. We should cower in the corner and thank our new overlords for each beheaded non-believer, because we really, really deserve it.

    Cower if you want to … I fkn won’t … but I will give the fuckwits who made stupid decisions for their own aggrandisement a hard time … and anyone who defends ’em!

    Our politicians have been fucking up for years … you vote the fuckers in all the time but you never say enough is enough!

    When a politician, their family and their supporters pick up a fucking rifle and go and fight their dumb fuck wars then I’ll support them …

    Read some history, invading other people’s countries (whoever you are) doesn’t always end up in your favour …

    Fight against wars or go and fight the fuckers yourself – don’t expect others to do it for you …

  71. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2016 10:15 pm

    “Fuck that.”

    And try reading comments before making up shit.

  72. July 15, 2016 11:56 pm

    “Why can’t we all just get along”

    ~ Jason Donovan

  73. July 16, 2016 9:15 am

    “And try reading comments before making up shit”

    You are correct, Tom R. While you did say Islamist terrorism is all (mostly? partly?) our fault (“bombing them more is why we are here”, “ignoring the west’s role is just as dumb”), you didn’t say we should cower in the corner. You said something about winning at street level, whatever that means. My bad.

  74. July 16, 2016 9:18 am

    As for the drivel that is TB’s last comment, it doesn’t even deserve a response. It’s just an incoherent rant.

  75. July 16, 2016 9:19 am

    Iraq. Syria. Libya. Now Turkey. #well.done.teabags

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:06 am

    The most dispossessed people haven’t engaged in terrorism, so why is it that people of the middle east are so inclined?

    Western intervention just doesn’t explain it, but considering a culture where anger and violence is acceptable/mainstream helps explain the inclination.

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:13 am

    Angry, violent, aggro men are made, even performing acts of terror upon their own family. they are not born to kill and maim.

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:29 am

    The argument – “the west is mean” doesn’t explain why all other regions that were colonised or dispossessed haven’t turned to such violence.
    There is an angry culture in the middle east.

    The IRA – a brief history
    http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/The-IRA–a-brief-history/2005/03/11/1110417685604.html

    The most dispossessed people haven’t engaged in terrorism, so why is it that people of the middle east are so inclined?

    Muslims Are the VICTIMS of “Between 82 and 97% of Terrorism-Related Fatalities”: US Government
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslims-are-the-victims-of-between-82-and-97-of-terrorism-related-fatalities-us-government/5516565

    ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll.html

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:36 am

    History of terrorism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_terrorism

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:40 am

    When overt anger is an acceptable way of conducting routine transactions, are you suggesting that culture has nothing to do with the inclination for violence and terrorism?

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:42 am

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:43 am

    In any market place in the middle east there are routine harsh and angry exchanges that are confronting. There is always a simmering frustration that you feel will explode at any time.

    I’ve not had that sense anywhere else

    But there we are, there’s another article that says it’s not their fault.

  83. July 16, 2016 10:52 am

    teabag,,,,,,,,culture where anger and violence is acceptable/mainstream helps explain the inclination,,,,,

    # ,, well done no-nads, you just explained the 30,000+ `internal-tewwa` murders per year in teh-usa, usually done by `all-amerikan` white-guys

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2016 11:01 am

    When overt anger is an acceptable way of conducting routine transactions, are you suggesting that culture has nothing to do with the inclination for violence and terrorism?

    I am suggesting that a person’s background [including early home life, culture, religion, life experiences] has much to do with violence and terrorism, but not all.

    Nature v nurture: research shows it’s both
    https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2015/05/nature-v-nurture-research-shows-its-both

    …“There has still been conjecture over how much variation is caused by genetics and how much is caused by environmental factors — what people call nature versus nurture,” Dr Benyamin said.

    “We wanted to resolve that by revisiting almost all the genetic twin studies conducted over the past 50 years, and comparing all of them together,” he said.

    Although the contribution of genetic and environmental factors was balanced for most of the traits studied, the research showed there could be significant differences in individual traits.

    For example, risk for bipolar disorder was about 70 per cent due to genetics and 30 per cent due to environmental factors.

    “When visiting the nature versus nurture debate, there is overwhelming evidence that both genetic and environmental factors can influence traits and diseases,” Dr Benyamin said.

    “What is comforting is that, on average, about 50 per cent of individual differences are genetic and 50 per cent are environmental…

    Can extremism be described as a mental health problem?

    Radicalisation: A mental health issue, not a religious one
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22630160-200-radicalisation-a-mental-health-issue-not-a-religious-one/

    …Research in the US following the 9/11 attacks suggested that having sympathies for terrorist acts and violent protest is a sign that people are susceptible to future radicalising influences. We took that as our starting point and assessed these kinds of sympathies in men and women of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin living in the UK.

    We found that these views were uncommon – they were held by just 2.5 per cent of our sample – and were unrelated to poverty, political engagement, or experience of discrimination and adversity. However, we did find a correlation between extremist sympathies and being young, in full-time education, relative social isolation, and having a tendency towards depressive symptoms…

    http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/16426/1/The-Psychology-of-Extremism.html

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2016 11:13 am

    In any market place in the middle east there are routine harsh and angry exchanges that are confronting. There is always a simmering frustration that you feel will explode at any time.
    I’ve not had that sense anywhere else

    Not a boardroom, a road rage incident, a household terrorised by DV, gang violence or even military styled police vs protesters?

    I’ve seen it and been a victim of it in hospitals, dealing with the supposedly ordinary public.

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 11:24 am

    I think you underestimate the level of simmering anger that is regarded as mainstream AO.

    Here the behaviour occurs, it isn’t regarded as normal, normal people are offended by such behaviour.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 11:26 am

    I enjoy having a personal jester!

  88. July 16, 2016 11:38 am

    Hate to be a party pooper armchair, but why is it only `foreign` extremism.

    Remember all the `cowboy-talk` john-w, george-w and blair used in gee-ing-up and recruiting dills into the iraq mis-adventure. lt is exactly the same `tool` the death-cult/s use with all the `allah-talk`, not an iota of difference apart from the label.

    Remember, When WE do it to THEM it`s `freedom-fighting`. When THEY do it to US it`s `tewwa`

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2016 12:20 pm

    Remember all the `cowboy-talk` john-w, george-w and blair used in gee-ing-up and recruiting dills into the iraq mis-adventure. lt is exactly the same `tool` the death-cult/s use with all the `allah-talk`, not an iota of difference apart from the label.
    Remember, When WE do it to THEM it`s `freedom-fighting`. When THEY do it to US it`s `tewwa`

    I agree totally, extremism is not only practiced by foreigners, we have our own versions too. The US military is full of fundamentalist christians going to war to save western christianity and ‘values’. We have quite zealous attempts to assert christian belief here in australia, there’s a lot of god bothering and strident nationalism in the extreme right wing and the supposedly non extreme who want to control how we live [cory bernardi, tony abbott, kevin andrews, the abetz brothers etc]

    One army under God?
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2014/09/religion-and-american-armed-forces

    …He calls the new religious mentality “dominionism”—a pejorative term for forms of Christianity that want to build religious principles into earthly power structures. One sceptical definition of “dominionism” describes it as “a theocratic view that…heterosexual Christian men are called by God to exercise dominion over secular society by taking control of political and cultural institutions.”…

    What is normal and how do you get it?

    “…Here the behaviour occurs, it isn’t regarded as normal, normal people are offended by such behaviour…”

    “…In any market place in the middle east there are routine harsh and angry exchanges that are confronting. There is always a simmering frustration that you feel will explode at any time…”

    It’s a harsh world to live in when you have little money, few prospects and little control over any aspect of your own life. Harsh lives and uncertain survival don’t always make pleasant, easygoing people and when the people and systems you are meant to trust and help you treat you even worse?

    Poverty in the Middle East
    http://www.borgenmagazine.com/poverty-middle-east/

    Saudi Arabia’s riches conceal a growing problem of poverty
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/saudi-arabia-riyadh-poverty-inequality

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-receives-3-1b-in-us-aid-while-the-middle-easts-poor-struggle-to-survive/210438/

    …However unlikely its implementation, one solution to the global unrest and record-breaking displacements and migration faced by the world today would be for the U.S. to begin transition to a “peace economy,” as Sean Nevins reported for MintPress News last year. Rather than building its economy through unsustainable, endless warfare and intervention, the U.S. could begin diversifying those billions into other industries and sustainable forms of aid to help the needy and displaced created by its imperialist policies…

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2016 12:42 pm

    On another topic The Greens want to destroy us just like ISIS

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/warning-of-energy-crisis-to-hit-the-nation/news-story/9083700ceb88fe18480c1e289c1654f3

    An energy crisis in South Australia created by an over-reliance on untrustworthy and expensive wind and solar will force the state Labor government to seek greater access to cheaper coal-fired electricity from the eastern states.

    This comes amid rising concern that federal renewable ­energy targets will force other states down the path taken by South Australia, which has the highest and most variable energy prices in the national electricity grid.

    Who is more dangerous? ISIS or THe Greens?

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 12:56 pm

    It’s a harsh world to live in when you have little money, few prospects and little control over any aspect of your own life.

    And yet our indigenous people don’t resort to terrorism, nor do the people of South America etc.

    The culture explains the inclination for violence, that is the differentiator.

  92. July 16, 2016 2:16 pm

    economist,,,,,,heterosexual Christian men are called by God to exercise dominion over secular society by taking control of political and cultural institutions,,,,,,

    # ,, translates to ,, heterosexual `sky-fairy believing` men are called by `dog` to exercise domin(at)ion over secular society by taking control of political and cultural institutions #yaay.protecting.democracy.and.freedom

    ,

    # ,, did you notice this bit at the end armchair,

    ,,,,,,mixing nuclear weapons with apocalyptic end-time theology is very dangerous,,,,,,

    # ,, the repugs are already loaded with team-cheerers of `the-4-horsemen` and will always egg-on the rest of the repugs towards the `end-of-times`, not exactly a recipe for considered, well thought-out decisions, and we are mirroring the with the likes of abetz, corey etc

  93. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2016 3:09 pm

    While you did say Islamist terrorism is all (mostly? partly?) our fault

    Partly (just for your future reference) 😉

    winning at street level, whatever that means.

    Ideally, you need to improve the lives of people, not make them worst. The people drawn to ISIS have been downtrodden for so long, that the limited largesse ISIS offer seem better.

    And, even though the fault is shared between their own Governments and interventionalists, the blame, to them, will lie mainly with the interventionists.

    We (‘teh’ West), need to be agents of mercy, not retribution, which so often are.

    Western intervention just doesn’t explain it

    No, there are many reasons. The Wests intervention is just one aspect. But we, being of the west, are able to do something positive about that. Simply declaring WAR on the latest manifestation of the problem doesn’t make it go away. As history as shown, it only feeds it.

    And yes, the Arabs ARE a hot blooded group, just like the Hispanics, the Greeks, the Irish, and the Americans.

    Domestic violence and a history of bashing your wife once again early marker for mass violence and terrorism

    Awkward timing for the prices of this world, is it not?

    There is always a simmering frustration that you feel will explode at any time.

    You should get down to the Pooraka Markets at 5am yomm 😉

    On another topic The Greens want to destroy us just like ISIS

    It is nothing to do with relying on wind power and solar, which punch above their weight, it is relying on a privatised national energy market that is gouging customers (ie, SA)

    “it needed urgent reform of the national energy market rules”

    But blame the renewables, cos ignorance…

    Power prices spiked sharply again this week, but energy analysts say that wind and solar are not at fault, pointing out that gas prices have jumped to record highs, and the interconnector to Victoria was constrained due to delayed work on network upgrades.

    As RenewEconomy has pointed out on numerous occasions in the past week, the huge spikes in electricity prices are a direct result of increased gas prices, which have hit record highs across the country and in South Australia have been more than twice the price of other states, on occasions.

    This is blamed on increased demand from the current cold snap, the need to supply the big LNG export terminals, and unexplained blockages in supply elsewhere in the network.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/murdoch-coalition-go-guns-blazing-wind-solar-74901

  94. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2016 3:16 pm

    And yet our indigenous people don’t resort to terrorism

    I seem to recall a former Pm and opposition leader being threatened in our Capital not too long ago.

    And as poorly treated as the Aboriginal people are, I cannot recall the last time they were targeted by a drone missile with the US flag emblazoned on the side.

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2016 4:33 pm

    And we do give our indigenous welfare to live on and social services along with our oppression.

    Tell me why is a lone crazed Muslim a terrorist when he kills, but a right wing christian killer is a “lone crazed gunman”

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 5:34 pm

    “I seem to recall a former Pm and opposition leader being threatened in our Capital not too long ago.

    Yeah!! terrorism, slaughter of hundreds…
    ——–
    Tell me why is a lone crazed Muslim a terrorist when he kills, but a right wing christian killer is a “lone crazed gunman”

    It’s the intention of the act

    That Norwegian nutcase Anders Breivik was a terrorist because terror was his objective. Mass murderers aren’t terrorists because they don’t commit the slaughter with some sense of political or philosophical justification.

    Islam fundamentalism seems to provide violent misfits/nutcases with the philosophical justification for their behaviour.

    And in the middle east there is an acceptance of anger that isn’t acceptable here. That’s cultural.

  97. July 16, 2016 6:05 pm

    Can everybody please remain frightened.

  98. July 16, 2016 6:22 pm

    “Partly (just for your future reference)😉”

    Got it. 😉

  99. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2016 6:22 pm

    Can everybody please remain frightened.

    I don’t know about frightened, but I’m certainly alarmed when I read a self proclaimed tewwa tourerist expert ignore the bit about being blown to pieces from bombs and the level of anger felt within a community

    Mass murderers aren’t terrorists

    Actually, yomm, some do it mainly for the terror it inflicts within society, or segments of.

    Crazy is a broad church.

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2016 6:52 pm

    As for the drivel that is TB’s last comment, it doesn’t even deserve a response. It’s just an incoherent rant.

    Actually I’m surprised that I even answered you’re ill-informed and poorly researched and “raging” words of inconsequence … hidden behind artistic favour protected by people who actually fight for YOUR society that you don’t even support. Physically! … in times of war you need to do things … not paint shit! Not play intellectual general on a blog!

    Let’s just say all this inconvenient Islamobother is a direct result of European colonisation and US aggression. What then? Are TomR and Richard Di Natale saying we should accept certain aggrieved Arab types driving trucks over crowds of innocent people because it’s all our own fault? We started it, so we’ve got it coming. Men, women, children, it doesn’t matter. You know, Crusades, Iraq, and all that. We should cower in the corner and thank our new overlords for each beheaded non-believer, because we really, really deserve it.

    Fuck that.

    So how are YOU going to FUCK THAT? Paint a fucking picture? Or take up a fucking rifle!

    You’re the ranter and driveller … walk the talk …

    As for the drivel that is TB’s last comment, it doesn’t even deserve a response. It’s just an incoherent rant.

    Because you have no idea how to comment … you couldn’t even pick up a weapon let alone, load and fucking fire it – in the right direction – and yet you expect other people to do it FOR YOU!

    Blah! Blah! Blah!

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2016 7:00 pm

    And yet our indigenous people don’t resort to terrorism, nor do the people of South America etc.

    The culture explains the inclination for violence, that is the differentiator.

    No- dopey … our regime of helping those worse off than we are (meaning YOU and ME) makes a difference …

    And od some research FFS! There are more beheadings in S/Am than the ME!

    BTW .. the indigenous population of Australia is – 0.5% …

    Your ignorance (in the true sense of the word) knows no bounds …

  102. July 16, 2016 7:04 pm

    ‘Actually I’m surprised that I even answered you’re ill-informed and poorly researched and “raging” words of inconsequence’

    I think you meant your ill-informed and poorly researched and “raging” words of inconsequence.

    Other than that, you’re still ranting.

    And raving.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2016 7:07 pm

    You should get down to the Pooraka Markets at 5am yomm😉

    I’ve never been nor know where they are, TR , but I get the impression either ToM has lived an extremely sheltered life, look as life from an ivory tower perspective (he does pay more tax than 99% of Australians), or is simply a poor judge of character and global, perspective …

    I’m going for the latter …

  104. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2016 7:08 pm

    I think most Islamic people live in Western countries because they are nicer countries to live in. On Q&A the other night an Iraqi got up and asked a question. After a while to my surprise he said he was glad the Americans removed Saddam because of the way he was treating his people.

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2016 7:10 pm

    Crazy is a broad church.

    You do know that’s how the Liberal Party describe themselves, TR?

    Of course you do … but maybe the acolytes don’t!

    LOL!

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2016 7:12 pm

    I think

    Unfortunately – you don’t!

    That’s why that’s as far as most of us get …

  107. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2016 8:11 pm

    TB, not many people are upset that Saddam was removed. I guess the issue is should the Americans/British have removed him.

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 8:46 pm

    Violence (and maybe terrorism) seems to be directly related to the level.of influence women have un the culture.

    Observation by Fifi

  109. July 16, 2016 9:05 pm

    You`re well paired then. Fifi needs her head read too. The death-toll of Florida and Nice combined is about the same as two or three drone-bombs, and `we` (obama) has dropped hundreds of them.

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:04 pm

    Hilarious! It’s all so entertaining!

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 10:33 pm

    Well, that’s a surprise…

    The Islamic State has claimed responsibility for Thursday’s night’s truck attack in Nice that left 84 people dead, according to ISIS-affiliated Amaq news agency, as French police announced they had made five arrests in connection with the incident.

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/bastille-day-attack-french-police-make-arrests-after-nice-truck-attack-20160716-gq79fa.html

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2016 11:07 pm

    Hmmmm….

    Facts can be inconvenient…

    List of countries by intentional homicide rate

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2016 10:11 am

    No, it’s not the culture, it’s not that women are so marginalised, it’s us! It’s all our fault!

    Pakistani social media star Qandeel Baloch has been allegedly strangled by her brother in what appears to be an “honour killing”, shocking the nation.

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/pakistani-social-media-star-qandeel-baloch-strangled-in-apparent-honour-killing-20160716-gq7boc.html

  114. July 17, 2016 1:03 pm

    You can`t blame teh-usa Govt because `Qandeel` has a rwnj-teabag brother, neither can you blame the Pakistan-Govt because your daughter has a rwnj-teabag father.

  115. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2016 2:34 pm

    Well, that’s a surprise…

    Hardly.

    What’s surprising is that you seem to be taking them at their word.

    Do you put this down to your tewwa tourist eXpurt creds.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2016 2:51 pm

    There was a time when people travelled extensively in order to experience different cultures and gain some experience of the world.

    Travelling used to be a good thing to do, now apparently travelling is to be disparaged, as some seem to think it is better to rely on the observations of others or read an article.

    Good for them, it’s obviously better to stay at home and read an article.

  117. July 17, 2016 3:17 pm

    Traveling is supposed to `broaden-views` and `expand-knowledge` of the traveler. Clearly it isn`t always the case, as some travelers will still prefer to abdicate thinking for themselves and recite from the junior managers hand-book.

  118. July 17, 2016 4:05 pm

    smh,,,,,,Mr Abbott and Foreign Minister Julie Bishop led Australia’s response in what was widely regarded as one of their finest hours in office. Mr Abbott was among the first in the world to point the finger at Russia and call for an explanation from President Vladimir Putin,,,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-yearns-for-justice-over-mh17-attack-20160715-gq6lgt.html

    # ,, 2-years on, and teabag-media remain `wisdom-free` regurgitating rabbits `finest-hours` with no mention of airlines `duty-of-care` to its customers/passengers.

  119. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2016 4:35 pm

    There was a time when people travelled extensively in order to experience different cultures and gain some experience of the world.

    There was also a time when those people used to know what the term ‘tourist’ meant.

  120. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2016 4:42 pm

    hahahahahaha

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2016 5:01 pm

    There was a time that living and working overseas wasn’t called tourism.

    Being on a bus was tourism, and staying home when travel was so available was called isolation.

    Relying on the experience of others to form a view was regarded as being wilfully cloistered

  122. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2016 5:01 pm

    Just to bring the thread back to it’s topic

    THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS REALLY DIDN’T ‘THINK THROUGH’ THEIR COFFEE MUG DESIGN…

  123. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2016 5:09 pm

    Relying on the experience of others to form a view was regarded as being wilfully cloistered

    So, are you arguing for me to ignore your experience?

    Your wish is granted 😉

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2016 5:45 pm

    Yep, if you disparage others that have made the effort to directly experience and observe other cultures, you are either deliberately ignorant or wilfully cloistered or narrow minded

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2016 6:12 pm

    Relying on the experience of others to form a view was regarded as being wilfully cloistered

    Does visiting 37 countries, working in five, living in three count?

  126. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2016 6:18 pm

    if you disparage others that have made the effort to directly experience and observe other cultures, you are either deliberately ignorant or wilfully cloistered or narrow minded

    NotToSelf

    Don’t call yomm a Pretentious, Pompous self Obsessed Twat.

    It may indicate that I am cloistered.

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2016 6:31 pm

    What indicates you’re cloistered is the way you rely on articles by others to form your opinion

    Insular might be a better description

  128. Dis And Dat permalink
    July 17, 2016 7:33 pm

    (No matter where you gothere you are.)

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2016 7:40 pm

    Relying on the experience of others to form a view was regarded as being wilfully cloistered

    Or does “others” only refer to YOU?

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2016 8:49 pm

    No. But I’m not quite sure why visiting countries to experience the culture needs be be looked down on.

    I mean it’s not as if I’m making people look at slides of Buckingham Palace.

  131. July 17, 2016 8:55 pm

    Anecdotal evidence is acceptable if it supports approved narratives. Otherwise, not so much.

  132. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2016 10:02 pm

    Are you referring to yomms anecdotes there Tony

    It’s not that I disagree with them, it’s more his ignoring every other day etric except a scary night with the locals

    Perhaps he should have told them of his love of cricket

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2016 10:06 pm

    I mean it’s not as if I’m making people look at slides of Buckingham Palace.

    Nah, just silly court jesters … 😀

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2016 10:34 pm

    …(No matter where you go – there you are.)

    😆 😆 think about it, that’s the funniest thing ever, thanks meta!

  135. July 18, 2016 6:10 am

    (We need not be too harsh on boo-melb tho, as we only need to look at the well-traveled, taxpayer-funded fools in canberra for proof that `travel` does not necessarily impart wisdom nor broaden views, boo-melb is NOT alone.)

  136. July 18, 2016 6:41 am

    CCTV/sbs news, gun-play in teh-usa, baton rouge Louisiana, 3-plod dead, 3-plod shot, gun-man(s) still on loose.

  137. July 18, 2016 7:05 am

    On my abc24, baton rouge `lone` gun-man was killed in shoot-out.

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2016 9:26 am

    Obama is getting the race war he (and Lynch) have worked so hard to foment.

  139. July 18, 2016 9:37 am

    “I mean it’s not as if I’m making people look at slides of Buckingham Palace.”

    Lol…

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 9:47 am

    Does anybody take personal responsibility anymore?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/eddie-mcguire-blames-painkillers–for-his-offensive-comments-about–adam-goodes/news-story/1a5b43dc1807c1c1bc65d1ee2d1f38d7

    Eddie McGuire blames painkillers for his offensive comments about Adam Goodes

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2016 10:34 am

    Some Liberals have become very bitter and twisted since Turnbull took over.

    Bolt has become obsessive compulsive about him.

    Apparently he has nothing else to say

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2016 10:39 am

    culture

    Police investigate vile Instagram account set up by Brighton Grammar students
    http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/police-investigate-vile-instagram-account-set-up-by-brighton-grammar-students-20160717-gq7tfn.html

    …A Melbourne mother who spoke out in disgust on her Facebook page after discovering that photos of her young daughter were uploaded onto the social media page, told Fairfax Media that she received a threatening phone call from from an “old boys’ club” parent on Sunday night.

    The caller, who phoned on a blocked number, said the Instagram account “was a group of boys having fun”…

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 10:42 am

    A lot of people do not like the way Turnbull got to be PM. Abbott lost the 2010 election and then spent three hard years as Opposition leader and then won the 2013 election.

    Abbott should have been allowed to see out the three years as PM. Turnbull has some talent but i suspect his decision making abilities may not be very good.

    There is a big difference between intelligence and wisdom. Plus Turnbull loves himself too much

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2016 10:56 am

    Yeah! A vain politician is so very unusual Neil.

    Abbott might have been popular with the elderly, blue rinse set (although I’d have to observe that Miglo’s friends didn’t seem so fond of him!), but rational people loved Abbott in much the same way as they loved Gillard.

    Both were abrasive, set in their thinking, and an embarrassment internationally (but that’s just an observation!)

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 11:06 am

    But where are all those Greens and ALP voters Turnbull was going to bring to the Coalition? I think Abbott would have won with a much bigger majority. For the first time in my life I put my local Liberal candidate No 3.

    Turnbull is too treacherous for a lot of Coalition voters.

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 11:26 am

    Plus apparently Turnbull has just given $1M to fund his re-election. Nothing wrong with that i suppose but it may put pressure on some people not to vote against Turnbull on some issues because they may think the donated money helped them get re-elected.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2016 12:00 pm

    Labor won more primary votes than Liberals …

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 12:18 pm

    Yeah and how many Labor voters put Turnbull No 1? All Turnbull did was scare away 1 million Coalition supporters. So much for the great vote winning powers of Turnbull.

    Actually this election was a good one to lose. We will lose our AAA rating within 3 years and the mud will stick to whoever is in power.

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2016 1:31 pm

    Plus apparently Turnbull has just given $1M to fund his re-election.

    They’re now saying it was $2M.

    Labor won more primary votes than Liberals …

    They always do, the libs have never been able to win govt in their own right, they have to combine 4 parties into 1 coalition to contest government, the parties are created simply to keep labor out.

    Austerity is the giant ‘natural experiment’ that cost a British treasurer his job
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/austerity-is-the-giant-natural-experiment-that-cost-a-british-treasurer-his-job-20160714-gq66fx

    Liberals ignore the moderate middle at their peril
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/insight/liberals-ignore-the-moderate-middle-at-their-peril-20160716-gq761k.html

    What about meee?
    Tony Abbott ‘yearns for justice’ over MH17 attack
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-yearns-for-justice-over-mh17-attack-20160715-gq6lgt.html

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2016 1:46 pm

    For the first time in my life I put my local Liberal candidate No 3.

    Yes, you destroyed the coalition.

    Voting for the ALA mob must have felt so liberating!

    Never mind, cory’s getting his australian conservatives together, all that slick US corporate funding will buy some christian conservative anti gay marriage attention. Of course it will turn out to be yet another liberal coalition vote funnelling enterprise – have they got room for another pew in that broad church or will they be churning the same old voters?

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 2:01 pm

    They always do,

    No they don’t The Liberals won more votes than Labor at the 2004 election and most probably at the 2013 election. Trouble with that election is that you could not vote Liberal in Qld because they joined with the Nats.

    But definitely in 2004.

    But i never trust an ALP or Greens supporter. Remember people saying all you have to do is make Turnbull leader and millions of ALP and Greens supporters will vote Coalition?

  152. July 18, 2016 2:43 pm

    smh,,,,,after discovering that photos of her young daughter,,,,,

    # ,, did you notice `who-uploaded/took-the-photos` was `omitted`???? (bet the chicks are `supplying` these stupid photos in the first place)

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2016 2:50 pm

    According to the AEC it’s 7 votes between labor & lib in herbert
    http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-20499-165.htm

    No they don’t The Liberals won more votes than Labor at the 2004 election and most probably at the 2013 election.

    Nope, not the direct vote of first preferences for the liberal party. It’s only when they add the votes of their coalition partners and get preferences that they can win.

    2010 First Preferences ALP – 4,711,363 LIB – 3,777,383

    2013 First preferences
    Australian Labor Party 4,311,365 Liberal 4,134,865

  154. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2016 2:58 pm

    It’s only when they add the votes of their coalition partners and get preferences that they can win.

    And I still find it hard to wrap my head around the fact that the nats get around 1 million votes, and 20 something seats, the Greens get over 1 million, and 1 seat.

    I don’t know a better system than ours, but really, there must be one.

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 3:02 pm

    I said at the 2004 election

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_2004

    Liberal Party of Australia 4,741,458
    Australian Labor Party 4,408,820

    And most probably at the 2013 election. Trouble with 2013 election is that the vote for LIbs and Nats are counted together in Queensland. You cannot separate them

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_2013

    Australian Labor Party 4,311,365
    Liberal Party of Australia 4,134,865
    Liberal National Party (QLD) 1,152,217

  156. July 18, 2016 3:04 pm

    smh,,,,,,,In this they`ve(#teabags) been led astray by noisiness of their media cheer squad and the libertarian think-tanks. The Murdoch press has yet again demonstrated its inability to deliver the tabloid voter,,,,,,#Guffaw (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

    # ,, the ever-shrinking number of Limited.News readers

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2016 3:21 pm

    You were right for 2004 neil, that was a swing to the libs wasn’t it?

    ALP – 4,409,117
    LIBERAL – 4,741,458

    2016 national first preference
    LIBERAL – 3,746,982
    ALP – 4,547,127

    …And I still find it hard to wrap my head around the fact that the nats get around 1 million votes, and 20 something seats, the Greens get over 1 million, and 1 seat.
    I don’t know a better system than ours, but really, there must be one…

    I’m seriously thinking that preferential voting is very flawed. I’d like reform and think the proportional voting system would be better, it will do away with a few marginal seats determining who wins govt. I think it is a fairer representation of all voters and won’t skew towards a duopoly by the two majors which, imo, has assisted with the corruption and cronyism we are seeing in our parliament and pollies.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-10/how-would-the-parliament-look-under-proportional-voting/7495912

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-11/sparrow-political-reform/4950554

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 3:28 pm

    I don’t know a better system than ours, but really, there must be one.

    You have to get the Greens to live together like the Nats do.

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2016 3:42 pm

  160. July 18, 2016 3:44 pm

    team-cheerer,,,,,,,,I don`t know a better system than ours, but really, there must be one,,,,,,

    # ,, Don`t fret. There isn`t. All systems are oligarchies. The only difference is the marketing messages(distractions).

  161. July 18, 2016 3:55 pm

    A voting system that benefits citizens `more` and the oligarchy `less` armchair???? #won`t.happen

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2016 3:56 pm

    So many “spot fires” around the world at the moment … let’s hope its doesn’t start a massive bushfire in our neck of the woods …

    Have I ever told you that history oft repeats itself?

    Similar spot fires before both WW ..

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2016 4:40 pm

    …If Tony Abbott ever had the guts to take on the real findings of the Dutch Safety Board’s inquiry into the MH17 atrocity, he’d also be seeking justice for the victims from a airline that ignored the most basic of safety considerations in choosing to use disputed airspace over eastern Ukraine on this day two years ago…

    #as a mother, my mum always said “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”

  164. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2016 4:51 pm

  165. Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2016 5:04 pm

    “I must be allowed to discuss Sonia Kruger’s German ancestry without being called a racist!”

    Which again illustrates rather neatly how fucking stupid the Left actually are.

    Islam is a religion not a race you morons.

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2016 5:42 pm

    For oppressed white people everywhere FUCKATOL …

    That makes me feel better … do you WANT me to become a racist?

    ‘Cause I know how! Seems really easy! jeeesus fkn christ (fk off with the cap C) …

    I learnt it early in life – “fuck off ya Pommie bastard!”

    And it continues today – hey wally?

  167. July 18, 2016 5:43 pm

    (The `close-working-team/s` tend to mainly deliver un-earned rewards to un-elected sponsors instead of the good government Australia expects from their elected representatives.)

    ,

    (Great `iron-oligarchy` link M. Funny to see a `smart-guy` like RM work it all out, then conclude `benito` was the answer.)

  168. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2016 5:48 pm

    but surely vegemite must play a part as well?

    Well, if you can make beer from it (according to our msm) then it MUST play a part!

    Islam is a religion not a race you morons.

    😯

    “I must be allowed to discuss Sonia Kruger’s German ancestry without being called a racist!”

    Moreon(?) that later I guess 😉

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2016 5:51 pm

    If the world is such a fabulous place … and it is – I’ve been privileged to see a great deal of it … along with wally, sreb and ToM here and many of my friends and family …

    Why are we ruled, controlled, deceived, lied to and cheated by so few fkn arseholes!

    The more I read about Erdoğan the more he reminds me of a leader named Adolf – different religion/ideology but (I suspect) very similar modus operandi!

    BTW, ToM I spent time (as a tourist is Turkey) … in 2016 the coup is out of character – something “jars” … I know, gut feelings don’t count … but I played at soldiering – and then read a lot of books … does that count?

  170. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2016 5:59 pm

    And, ignoring wallys erroneous inanity of people having a go at a German ancestry and ‘racism’

    According To Science, There’s No Such Thing As Race

    http://www.iflscience.com/environment/science-says-there-no-such-thing-race/

  171. July 18, 2016 6:05 pm

    crikey,,,,,according to the DSB(#dutch-safety-board) report.

    The first was self evident. The airlines had elected to fly over a war zone in which there had been at least 16 aircraft shoot downs in the preceding weeks. And they had ignored the consequences of an airliner losing altitude in the event of an engine failure in accepting air traffic control advice not to fly over that area at less than 32,000 feet.

    (In such an event the various twin engined jets that used that airspace on that day would have descended to around 26,000 feet, and had the operational crisis been a cabin depressurisation, they would under the rules have needed to drop to 13,000 feet or less.)

    The reason the media overwhelmingly didn’t report these findings was that it relied upon an evasive sound and light show presentation by the DSB that starred the reconstructed forward section of the shattered Boeing 777 and never mentioned matters that were explained in blunt detail in the actual documentation.

    It seems that almost none of the media actually read or understood the report that was issued by the DSB. They were suckered, and they suckered their readers or viewers,,,,,,

    # ,, and on the VERY day, l said,

    # ,, it took a while, but its good to at least see crikey (no-longer?) has its head up its arse, too bad we can`t say the same about the rest of their colleagues, better late than never

    # ,, Let me know the next time the dsb agree with `our` cubicle dweller

  172. Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2016 6:11 pm

    “And, ignoring wallys erroneous inanity of people having a go at a German ancestry and ‘racism’……”

    Unlike you of course who ignore the fact that the stupid Leftist moron I quoted was more interested in attacking Sonya Kruger rather than what she said.

  173. Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2016 6:14 pm

    “The social services sector has called for an immediate summit, warning that the state’s rapid rush into green energy has created uncertainty for both households and employers.

    SA’s power charges have soared in the past week, hitting more than seven times the Victorian price and almost eight that in NSW, because the state’s market is isolated from the rest of the Australia.”

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/key-sa-employers-on-verge-of-shutting-down-as-power-prices-surge-during-storms/news-story/e397f45514f90115ad4da65a009feb44

    If all those stupid cnuts in SA want to use renewables then let them suffer for it.

    Cheap Renewable Energy = BULLSHIT !

  174. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2016 6:19 pm

    Actually, the tweeter very cleverly attacked what kruger said. Hardly surprising that someone who thinks that even mocking someone for stupidity is ignoring what she said. They are simply deriding it.

    As I was to you for crapping on about ‘islam aint a race’ when they very clearly mentioned her German ancestory.

    Of course, we can argue about ‘what is race’ till the cows come home, but that’s a completely different argument to your brain melt.

    Try typing AFTER you’ve calmed down perhaps, don’t ‘race’ off to the keyboard 🙂

  175. July 18, 2016 6:20 pm

    “According To Science, There’s No Such Thing As Race”

    Good to know. Which means there is no such thing as racism or racists. If you disagree, you are a denier. The science is settled.

  176. July 18, 2016 6:25 pm

    ,,,,,because the state`s market is isolated from the rest of the Australia,,,,,,

    # ,, teabag media are punking you. There is 3-power-grids in Aust, West-coast(wa), East-coast, and central(NT) ,, canoeland IS definitely connected/part-of the east-coast grid, my sparkie-mate was only telling me this in the last month or so.

  177. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2016 6:27 pm

    Cheap Renewable Energy = BULLSHIT !

    For the slow (or just plain stupid)

    As RenewEconomy has pointed out on numerous occasions in the past week, the huge spikes in electricity prices are a direct result of increased gas prices, which have hit record highs across the country and in South Australia have been more than twice the price of other states, on occasions.
    This is blamed on increased demand from the current cold snap, the need to supply the big LNG export terminals, and unexplained blockages in supply elsewhere in the network.
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/murdoch-coalition-go-guns-blazing-wind-solar-74901

    But keep peddling murdochs bullshit like a vacuous moreon(?)

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/07/14/rostrum-26/#comment-130272

  178. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2016 6:28 pm

    The science is settled.

    RACIST!

    or is it scientist?

  179. July 18, 2016 6:30 pm

    Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke discusses Black Lives Matter.

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2016 6:33 pm

    Cheap Renewable Energy = BULLSHIT !

    I’d go for a Royal Commission on charges myself … but then that’s a logical approach … not an investor rant …

    Just who owns Australian gas?

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2016 6:36 pm

    Our ever reliable jester is at it again!! Hilarious!!

  182. July 18, 2016 6:42 pm

    Hysterical.

  183. July 18, 2016 6:47 pm

    Oh yeah blubbers, l forgot this too, canoeland is a `nett` exporter of electricity to jonesland and boltland.

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2016 7:57 pm

    As RenewEconomy has pointed out on numerous occasions in the past week, the huge spikes in electricity prices are a direct result of increased gas prices

    After reading leftist crap for years i doubt gas is more expensive than solar/wind. But even if true why doesn’t SA use coal like most of Australia? I guess because gas produces less CO2 than coal. But coal is the cheapest source of electricity but Greens want use to use windmills. Is it difficult to ship coal to SA?

  185. Darkening Green permalink
    July 18, 2016 8:09 pm

    (“Resources is to the Australian economy what the baggy green is to Australian sport: totemic; iconic; indispensable to our national story and synonymous with our national identity.)

  186. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:42 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/energy-price-reveals-folly-of-renewables/news-story/8a18dd4b193039ec6b6138e682192e55

    It is unusual for any story related to South Australia to appear on the front page of this newspaper. But when wholesale electricity prices in that state reached more than 30 times the prices recorded in the eastern states last week, the broader interest in the issue is obvious.

    To give you a feel for the figures, last Thursday at 1.45pm, the wholesale power price in South Australia was recorded at $1001 per megawatt hour, compared with prices of between $30/MWh and $32/MWh for the eastern states. At one point, the maximum price in the state hit $1400/MWh.

    Unsurprisingly, several companies operating in South Australia, including BHP Billiton and beleaguered steelmaker Arrium, warned state Treasurer and Energy Minister Tom Koutsantonis that they might temporarily close their plants because of the high and erratic electricity prices

    Greens should be happy. Factories closing down means less CO2 production. SA has the highest energy prices because renewable energy is very expensive.

  187. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 8:44 am

    “For the slow (or just plain stupid)”

    Slow and Stupid are those that don’t recognise Gas as a fossil/Non Renewable fuel. You can hardly blame Gas when its your fucked up system of Sun and Wind machines not being able to supply enough power.

    You wanted this Crap so you can live with it Moron.

    “…………to give you a feel for the figures, last Thursday at 1.45pm, the wholesale power price in South Australia was recorded at $1001 per megawatt hour, compared with prices of between $30/MWh and $32/MWh for the eastern states. At one point, the maximum price in the state hit $1400/MWh………”

    Yet the chief Troll on this site has no clue as to why that would be other than to blame Gas

    ROFLMAO

  188. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 8:51 am

    “………..Dr Andrew Jakubowicz, a professor of sociology at the University of Technology Sydney, said such comments have been made for several years by politicians including Pauline Hanson and Donald Trump, …….”In a sense, this has just been let run, and a fairly vulnerable group of people basically been abandoned to this sort of hysteria. It’s not a good look and I think we’re in line for some difficult times ahead.”…………..”

    Did he say “…….this sort of hysteria.” ?

    So Kruger’s comments are being labelled “hysteria”………………Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm dont I recall someone on Q&A last week being called a sexist and mysoginist for calling someone “hysterical”

    So where are the Lunatic Left . Why are they not charging in to defend Kruger as they did for Van Badham ?

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sonia-krugers-migration-comments-highlight-uncomfortable-reality-for-australian-muslims-academic-20160718-gq8bwa.html

  189. July 19, 2016 8:53 am

    I happen to be in Ipoh at the moment (Malaysia), and the local Malay ppl are nice and pleasant. I think some of them might be Muslims but then I haven’t asked.

    Do you think I should so I know who to avoid in future?

  190. July 19, 2016 9:26 am

    You might need to start a `Gay-Pride` march to `flush` them out. (-:

  191. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 9:36 am

    The almost daily muslim attack on Westerners…………Yeah……..nothing to worry about at all.

    “German police have killed a 17-year-old Afghan man who seriously injured four people with an axe on a commuter train in the country’s south.. ”

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/axewielding-man-injures-more-than-20-in-germany-report-20160718-gq8jcn.html

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 9:39 am

    The Malaysian government has some guidelines which may be of interest to you, reb.

    Govt endorses guide on how to spot gays. Point four is a worry:

    •Muscular body and a fondness for showing off the body by wearing clothing, such as by wearing V-necks and sleeveless tops

    •A preference for tight and bright coloured clothes

    •An inclination to be attracted to men

    •A tendency to carry big handbags, similar to the kinds used by women

  193. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 9:40 am

    Walrus, nothing to see here. Nothing to do with Islam. All the fault of the West. Just ask any leftist.

  194. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 9:54 am

  195. July 19, 2016 9:56 am

    Walrus if you’re going to post that photo of me that you assured me you would keep private you should at least ask me first…!! 😡😡😡

  196. July 19, 2016 9:56 am

    “”You might need to start a `Gay-Pride` march to `flush` them out. (-:””

    Lulz 😊

  197. July 19, 2016 9:58 am

    •An inclination to be attracted to men

    Yes that one’s a bit of a giveaway..

  198. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 9:59 am

    Interestingly the guidelines don’t mention the wearing of pantyhose.

  199. July 19, 2016 10:10 am

    blubbering,,,hardly blame Gas when its your fucked up system of Sun and Wind,,,,,

    # ,, so are you claiming (free)wind and (free)sunshine has suddenly tripled in price to `free`, while still only supplying `less` than 10% of grid-power, causing `industrial-volume`(MW/h) price to `soar` wildly????? #Limited-news-is-punking-you #lt.has.to.be.the.FUEL.dopey

  200. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:18 am

    “# ,, so are you claiming (free)wind and (free)sunshine has suddenly tripled in price to `free`,”

    If it’s so “free” why are we subsidising it in order to exist ?

  201. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:36 am

    Slow and Stupid are those that don’t recognise Gas as a fossil/Non Renewable fuel. You can hardly blame Gas when its your fucked up system of Sun and Wind machines not being able to supply enough power.

    And until a complete system is built, renewables won’t be able to.

    But at least you acknowledge that the gouging (there is no other words) lies at the feet of outragous gas prices, coupled with a failure of the NEM to do what it was supposed to do, provide power when needed.

    Consumer gas prices are tipped to surge by 30 per cent over the next five years as a boom in Australian LNG exports puts pressure on local supply.

    http://indaily.com.au/business/2015/07/23/household-gas-prices-tipped-to-surge/

    And, in fact, it is because of renwables that the price surges have actually dropped over time, as wind and solar kick in at times of highst eed (especially solar on the hot days)

    This graph below, from the Australian Energy Regulator, shows the number of high price events – peaks of more than $5,000/MWh – across Australia over the last 15 years. As can be seen, they are currently running at their lowest levels ever, and have fallen rapidly since the build out of large-scale wind and rooftop solar.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/wind-solar-removed-major-price-spikes-south-australia-48504

    Yet the chief Troll on this site has no clue as to why that would be other than to blame Gas

    As can be seen, that is for a very good reason.

    If it’s so “free” why are we subsidising it in order to exist ?

    One might ask the fossils the same of the fossils

  202. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:38 am

    “The reasons for South Australia’s high power prices compared to the rest of the country remain the same as they were before a single wind turbine or solar panel was installed there – a heavy reliance on expensive gas power plants and only a small number of companies generating that gas power in the state’s energy market,” said Mr Butler.

    “It is not a coincidence that both gas prices and electricity prices have surged recently in the cold weather, as the two are closely linked.

    “Renewable energy has been a remarkable success story in South Australia, and now delivers more than 40 per cent of the state’s power. While this has been targeted by opponents of renewable energy, this contribution has been achieved with no impact on the reliability of the system.

    https://www.cleanenergycouncil.org.au/news/2016/July/south-australia-power-prices-gas-renewable-energy.html

  203. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:41 am

    So Kruger’s comments are being labelled “hysteria”………………Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm dont I recall someone on Q&A last week being called a sexist and mysoginist for calling someone “hysterical”

    That’s not what he said, he said she has been exposed to a form of hysteria. You’ll have to point out where he called her ‘hysterical’

    Walrus, nothing to see here. Nothing to do with Islam

    Glad you at least finally admit it. The asshole in France was just a nutjob. He wasn’t even a Muslim nutjob at that. Just a nutjob.

  204. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:45 am

    “One might ask the fossils the same of the fossils”

    As usual you miss the entire point……………No one said fossil fuels were “free”

  205. July 19, 2016 10:47 am

    You should know better by now, l don`t do the `team-defending` thing. Simple mathematics `should` tell a `so-called-accountant` that Limited-News was spouting pig-shit again, for industry-volume MWh`s to price 30-ish bucks to 1400-ish bucks is what % of variation????

  206. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:49 am

    No one said fossil fuels were “free”

    As the reports show, they certainly aren’t

    So, you are happy to subsidise something we have to pay through the nose for, but against subsidising something that will be far cheaper, and far more ecologically sustainable.

    Go figure

  207. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:51 am

    “Go figure”

    no no no.

    Go figure why SA’s power costs are upto 30 times NSW ?

    We dont have much Gas in NSW so dont blame Gas

  208. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:54 am

    Guess why bill shorten is being asked to save Kim carr

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/kim-carr-dumped-from-frontbench-by-faction-20160718-gq8l4w

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 10:58 am

    a heavy reliance on expensive gas power plants

    And why is SA using gas rather than the much cheaper coal? Well i suspect gas is a little bit greener than coal since it produces less CO2 than coal.

  210. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 11:00 am

    We dont have much Gas in NSW so dont blame Gas

    Wow, just WOW!

    Guess why bill shorten is being asked to save Kim carr

    Is it because the libs have just made the biggest cabinet with the least women, and ….. Labor? 😉

    And why is SA using gas rather than the much cheaper coal?

    Because we have an abundant supply which WAS cheap, until the companies gouged us by charging whatever they can make on the international market.

  211. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 11:19 am

    TomR

    SA has high energy prices because 40% of their power comes from renewables. I bet you they use gas rather than coal because it produces less CO2 than coal and is more green. After destroying our manufacturing industry ALP/Greens want to destroy our coal industry which is our second biggest export.

    And you cannot make steel without coal. It is the carbon+heat of coal which makes steel.

  212. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 11:41 am

    “Wow, just WOW!”

    Yeah whatever you moron.

    Most of our Gas is shipped from interstate and we are subjected to the same price pressures as SA

    “The gas basins with the largest recoverable reserves are the Carnarvon and Browse basins in Western Australia; the Bonaparte basin in the Northern Territory; the Gippsland and Otway basins in Victoria and the Cooper-Eromanga basin in South Australia and Queensland. ”

    Do you notice something missing Troll ?

    Its starts with “N”………………………New South Wales

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Australia#Natural_gas

  213. July 19, 2016 11:52 am

    afr,,,,,,,Mr Shorten owes Senator Carr a favour because Senator Carr shifted a small but critical number of Left votes behind Mr Shorten and away from Anthony Albanese in 2013, which ensured Mr Shorten beat Mr Albanese for the leadership,,,,,,

    # ,, l`m sure carr will get to return to the shadow ministry sometime in the next 6+ years, it`s way to early to fret over this armchair (-:

  214. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:01 pm

    “SA has high energy prices because 40% of their power comes from renewables. ”

    Neil…………….. the Troll does not deal in facts

  215. July 19, 2016 12:04 pm

    theage,,,,,,,,Singh is likely to be returned to Parliament as a result of a grassroots push by voters who went below the line to vote for her directly rather than the ALP ticket,,,,,

    ,,,,,with electoral analysts saying it could be a game-changer for future elections and a challenge to the way factional operators have been able to ride roughshod over the wishes of branch members and voters,,,,,

    # ,, its always good to see the `operators` and factions get arse-fcuked armchair

  216. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:15 pm

    Victoria is the next State to shoot itself in the foot.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/victoria-aims-for-40-renewables-by-2025-to-add-5400mw-wind-and-solar-53932

    Victoria’s Andrews government says it will set a renewable energy target of 40 per cent by 2025, making it the latest state in Australia to introduce a target for large-scale renewables development more ambitious than that of the federal Turnbull government and underlining the political divide over wind and solar.

  217. July 19, 2016 12:25 pm

    blubbering,,,,,because 40% of their(#canoeland) power comes from renewables,,,,,

    # ,, hey dummy, that weakens even more Limited-news and YOUR argument

    # ,, 40% renews = free fuel

    # ,, 60% = $$$$$ expensive fuel

  218. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:37 pm

    “,, 40% renews = free fuel ”

    How many times do you need to be told ?……………………it’s not “free”

  219. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:38 pm

    SA has high energy prices because 40% of their power comes from renewables.

    Even though I just demonstrated that to be untrue.

    Its starts with “N”………………………New South Wales

    Interesting you use the ‘N’ words there moreon(thatlater)

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/power-shock-nsw-families-pay-highest-electricity-prices-in-the-world/news-story/75368ed35e0a817d403868636253e616?nk=6d2daae5e317646e34dd60f0bda24ea6-1468895782

    the Troll does not deal in facts

    Except of course for … you know, all those “facts” I just posted 😯

  220. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:42 pm

    “Generators with the required flexibility (peaking generators using natural gas) produce expensive electricity, but are becoming more and more needed as the penetration of wind and solar in our energy generation mix increases. This is why electricity prices have risen in South Australia…….Wind farms and other renewable-energy generators also undercut the prices offered by efficient, base-load, coal and gas power plants, because they receive guaranteed, non-market, returns from selling Generation Certificates to electricity retailers under the Commonwealth Government’s Renewable Energy Target (RET) Scheme…..Under RET, electricity retailers must buy enough certificates to demonstrate their compliance with the RET scheme’s ever-increasing annual targets.

    http://indaily.com.au/business/analysis/2016/01/19/crunching-the-numbers-on-sas-high-electricity-prices/

  221. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:45 pm

    ROFLMAO

    The Troll posts an article paid for by the One Big Switch people

    “The international price comparison by Melbourne-based CME was done for One Big Switch, which today launches the Big Energy Switch in a bid to create group-discounted power offers.”

  222. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:46 pm

    it’s not “free”

    Just a damn sight cheaper than fossils

  223. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:50 pm

    In Euros

  224. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 12:51 pm

    The Troll posts an article paid for by the One Big Switch people

    Is that any different from articles from murdoch, who is a fossil paid for by fossils

    Stick to the data, if you can.

    As the very first coment in hte link from InDaily did, and blew their ‘claim’ out of the water. Their only response, ‘SA Still has the most expensive power’

    We have had expensive power ever since the libs first privatised the system. It’s nothing new. And, as my previous link showed, apparently, NSW now has the most expensive power. Oh, who to believe. I’ll go with those willing to back up their claim with FACTS!

    View story at Medium.com

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 1:36 pm

    I believe electricity prices in NSW have risen because of renewable energy eg solar rebate scheme but they do not appear to be as high as in SA. Fact is renewable energy is expensive.

    The first sentence in TomRs link says this

    MORE than a million NSW households are paying more for electricity than any other developed nation.

    That may be true since the solar rebate scheme was introduced but how do our prices compare to SA? That sentence could still be true. The sneaky author should compare prices within Australia as well and not just overseas.

  226. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 2:22 pm

    The sneaky author

    ROFL. Now you’re just being paranoid (sarc)

    Although, it’s a shame that SA is no longer considered part of ‘our world’ by certain elements (not that thats a bad thing)

    ‘Believe’ all you want nil. I’ll stick to the facts 😉

  227. July 19, 2016 2:30 pm

    # ,, 40% renews = free fuel

    blubbering,,,,How many times do you need to be told ? .. .. it’s not ”free”,,,,

    # ,, Well l would LOVE to hear the teabag explainer of how wind is not free `fuel` and how sunshine is not free `fuel` and who has convinced teabags to pay them for sunshine `fuel` and/or wind `fuel` (not the `machinery`)

    # ,, hint, when l go `off-grid` l will be PAYING for the `machinery` (panels and batteries), l will not be paying for the FUEL (sunshine) that runs the machinery

  228. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 2:53 pm

    Well l would LOVE to hear the teabag explainer of how wind is not free `fuel` and how sunshine is not free `fuel`

    Because wind towers and solar panels are expensive to build, maintain, and then distribute.

    The only bonus is, the source of energy is free. Harnessing it isn’t. Unlike fossils, where you pay (exorbitantly) for all facets.

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 2:53 pm

    ROFL. Now you’re just being paranoid (sarc)

    No after years of reading articles by deceitful lefties i know how they operate.

    MORE than a million NSW households are paying more for electricity than any other developed nation.

    Which million? I think there are several million households in NSW. Which million did the author selectively pick? And i notice you use Murdoch when it suits. But there are thousands of articles against your one link

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/electricity-bills-in-south-australia-already-nations-highest-set-to-increase-further-as-months-get-colder/news-story/81d618bd182e1a0dbaca99cdb85d905f

    Electricity bills in South Australia already nation’s highest, set to increase further as months get colder

  230. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 2:57 pm

    Rita Panahi nails it:

    Kruger has been called a racist, bigot, Islamaphobic and even compared to Hitler.

    Of course there is plenty of vile sexist abuse mixed in with the bile-filled hate; she has been labelled a bitch, bimbo, whore, slut and the c-word repeatedly.

    She’s even been told to kill herself…

    Meanwhile, feminists stay silent as another woman is eviscerated online for the crime of voicing an opinion that differs from the standard PC lines expected from the media and political elite…

    It’s interesting to see the same folk who were apoplectic with rage when a fringe dwelling feminist was called “hysterical” a week ago are happy to join in the abuse Kruger has endured today.

  231. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:00 pm

    No after years of reading articles by deceitful lefties i know how they operate.

    ROFL it was the daily tewwa. A ‘hotbet of lefties’ ROFL

    And i notice you use Murdoch when it suits.

    Like you just did 😉

    It is an example of the deliberate misuse of Language by media. Nicely highlighted thanks nil

    The unfortunate truth is, do we know the absolute truth? Welcome to murdochs meddling.

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:10 pm

    Of course there is plenty of vile sexist abuse mixed in with the bile-filled hate; she has been labelled a bitch, bimbo, whore, slut and the c-word repeatedly.

    …well, they only used those offensive words to her, as everyone understands the real indicator of misogyny is standing near a sign…

  233. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:11 pm

    Kristina Keneally, Sky News, yesterday:

    “I can think of 12 Australians off the top of my head who would be a better ­secretary-general, and one of them is my labrador.”

    Rudd was such a great embodiment of ALP values they appointed him leader twice!

    Now Turnbull is trying to foist him on the UN.

  234. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:11 pm

    voicing an opinion that differs from the standard PC lines

    If you consider highly bigoted remarks to be “voicing an opinion”, don’t complain when people ‘voice their opinion” back at you.

    I haven’t seen these alleged extreme replies, they are uncalled for, but calling her a dumb bigot doesn’t seem to be far from the truth.

    Basically, if you are parroting hansons lines, you really need to take stock of what you are parroting

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:13 pm

    TomR

    It could well be that NSW is paying higher electricity prices than any other developed nation. But there is no way we pay more than SA. The author is talking about the world outside Australia

  236. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:16 pm

    Now Turnbull is trying to foist him on the UN

    Considering your hatred of the UN, I thought you’d be glad they’d be lumped with him?

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:18 pm

    they are uncalled for

    WOWIE!! Uncalled for!

    Whereas standing near a sign is misogyny

  238. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:18 pm

    The author is talking about the world outside Australia

    The author (apt terminology for a ltdnews journalist) is doing precisely what those other murdoch minions are doing. Taking cherry picked data, and plugging it into the story that suits their agenda, and ignoring the elephant in the room.

  239. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:27 pm

    WOWIE!! Uncalled for!

    How many of these ‘alleged’ misogynist calls were made by people attempting to become PM?

    And I’ll highlight ‘alleged’

    Rita Panahi is a serial bullshit artist, so, until the facts …

    I’m sure there are, twitter brings out the worst in all.

    But does calling someone a bitch change the fact that she’s a bigoted moreon?

  240. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:29 pm

    “don’t complain when people ‘voice their opinion” back at you.”

    Yeah, Tom R. Coz if it isn’t directed at a leftist then it isn’t misogyny, right. And don’t roll your eyes around here!

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:33 pm

    How many of these ‘alleged’ misogynist calls were made by people attempting to become PM?

    There I was thinking that it might have been a matter of principle to you, but it seems not.

  242. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:35 pm

    Coz if it isn’t directed at a leftist then it isn’t misogyny

    You’ll have to point to the post/posts that

    1) proves this happened

    2) ignores that I said “they are uncalled for”

    🙄

  243. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:36 pm

    There I was thinking that it might have been a matter of principle

    C) above

    🙄

  244. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:37 pm

    “….as everyone understands the real indicator of misogyny is standing near a sign…”

    There must be more than one indicator then as I could have sworn some bloke got labelled a misogynist for glancing at his wrist watch.

    Clearly such an act is above the same level as an “honour killing” as we never hear the scum filled Left complain very loudly, if at all, about those

  245. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:40 pm

    we never hear the scum filled Left complain very loudly, if at all, about those

    That’s because your ears are like your eyes

    Wide Shut!

  246. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:47 pm

    Calling someone a misogynist is fine as long as it –
    *involves standing near a sign
    *the person standing near the sign wants to be PM, and
    *he isn’t a member of the ALP

    On the other hand, calling a woman – bitch, bimbo, whore, slut and the c-word – is “uncalled for” …. but let’s not get too bothered by that behaviour.

  247. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:51 pm

    but let’s not get too bothered by that behaviour.

    Or is it, let’s concentrate on alleged behaviour, and ignore the rancid bigotry that unleashed it?

  248. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:55 pm

    “…….but let’s not get too bothered by that behaviour.”

    Or this behaviour…………..

    “Labor figures – including some who were also involved in Mr Danby’s campaign – confirmed the men were arrested…………..Several were staggered at the brazenness and stupidity of the vandalism rampage, allegedly committed by four middle-aged men in the early hours of the morning….”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/friends-of-labor-leader-bill-shorten-arrested-for-alleged-vandalism-spree-on-election-morning-20160715-gq6viw.html

  249. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 3:59 pm

    allegedly committed

    So many ‘allegations’

    I recall when it was ‘alleged’ that SA’s power price surges were all because of Wind Power.

    Until we examined the evidence.

    Maybe I’ll wait for the police to examine the evidence too 😉

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:03 pm

    YEAH!! They were (apparently) provoked!!

    So it is ok to use words like – bitch, bimbo, whore, slut and the c-word – as long as someone has provoked you by expressing a (possibly ignorant) view!!

    It’s just one step removed from the excuses that perpetrators of domestic violence use-
    * she provoked me
    * she deserved it
    * she asked for it
    * it was what was coming to her

  251. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:07 pm

    Business as usual in Unionland:

    Andrew Landeryou, David Asmar, George Droutsas and Dean Sherriff were arrested for allegedly vandalising Greens and Liberal polling material at multiple polling stations from Elwood to Port Melbourne, and allegedly driving at volunteers who tried to stop them.

    All four men were heavily involved in the election campaign of Michael Danby, the Labor MP for Melbourne Ports, who is likely to be re-elected with a reduced margin after a tight, three-way battle for the seat.

    Mr Landeryou, a controversial former blogger, is a personal and political confidante of Mr Shorten, while another close ally of the Labor leader, Mr Asmar, has been linked to a mammoth branch-stacking scandal.

  252. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:08 pm

    “I recall when it was ‘alleged’ that SA’s power price surges were all because of Wind Power.”

    No longer allegations………..they were proven despite you ignoring the facts

  253. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:14 pm

    Tom R, I think Panahi had you in mind when she wrote: “If you don’t agree with Kruger then come at her with some facts, figures and counterpoints, not just crazed abuse.”

  254. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:14 pm

    they were proven despite you ignoring the facts

    You mean, these ones?

  255. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:18 pm

    “If you don’t agree with Kruger then come at her with some facts, figures and counterpoints, not just crazed abuse.”

    She’s had that in spades. Of course, you (or wally, one of the moreons anyway) labeled that ‘attacking’ her too

  256. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:28 pm

    More facts this time from the evil Fairfax empire

    “Energy experts say South Australia’s heavy reliance on wind energy is compounding its problems in two ways, first by forcing the remaining baseload generators to earn more revenue in shorter periods of time when the wind isn’t blowing, and secondly by forcing baseload coal and gas generators out of the market altogether. ”

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/energy/south-australia-intervenes-in-electricity-market-as-prices-hit-14000mwh-20160714-gq5sac#ixzz4EpkD5VvO
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  257. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:30 pm

    The way you have dealt with Kruger is emblematic of your style, Tom R.

  258. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:31 pm

    I don’t disagree with that at all wally.

    But, doesn’t that line “forcing the remaining baseload generators to earn more revenue in shorter periods” indicate that these generators are gouging?

    Of course, once some large scale solar plants get online, and/or the national market is fixed up, then they will go the way of the dodo.

  259. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:32 pm

    Whereas it isn’t “attacking’ her to call her – bitch, bimbo, whore, slut and the c-word – that’s merely ‘uncalled for”

  260. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:33 pm

    The way you have dealt with Kruger is emblematic of your style

    What, pointing out bigotry when I see it? Bad, naughty me

  261. July 19, 2016 4:34 pm

    Kruger is just another easily frightened teabag spouting the `pauline-talk`. l doubt Kruger is a misogynist, l think the word you`re looking for is phobic.

  262. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:37 pm

    “…indicate that these generators are gouging?”

    No it indicates that they have a much shorter period of time to recoup their fixed costs

  263. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:48 pm

    This was posted earlier but needs to be posted again. This is the man the ALP foisted on us.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/kristina-keneally-rudd-is-a-psychopathic-narcissist/news-story/fa86daa11496d6338e88e49810632ac1

    FORMER NSW premier Kristina Keneally has described Kevin Rudd as a ‘psychopathic narcissist’, suggesting her dog would make a better candidate for the UN secretary-general.

    Appearing on Sky News this afternoon, Ms Keneally, said she was not a Rudd fan and her view was shared by many serving Labor members.

    “I’m just going to say what no other Labor figure – because they’re all still in office, won’t say, the man is a psychopathic narcissist and that’s not just my opinion, that’s the opinion of a whole range of people who are currently sitting in the parliament,” she said.

    “I can think of 12 Australians off the top of my head who would be a better secretary-general and one of them is my Labrador so let’s be blunt here, she has a lot more empathy than Kevin Rudd.”

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 4:53 pm

    An outstanding performance as always!!

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:11 pm

    …Meanwhile, feminists stay silent as another woman is eviscerated online for the crime of voicing an opinion that differs from the standard PC lines expected from the media and political elite…
    It’s interesting to see the same folk who were apoplectic with rage when a fringe dwelling feminist was called “hysterical” a week ago are happy to join in the abuse Kruger has endured today….

    So in the mind of RWNJ’s, if you are of the same gender you must automatically agree with what she says just because she’s a sista?

    Not that I’ve ever noticed Panahi sticking up for any women she disagrees with on an ideological basis, usually she’s sinking the stiletto.

    What was sexist about the criticism that kruger got? Was it based on her looks or gender stereotyping? That would be wrong and should be called out. But she can certainlybe criticised by women [and men] who don’t agree with her brand of bigotry #as a celebrity who is using her microphone and popularity to mouth off about complex, divisive issues and inciting hatred toward another group of people.

    #as a mother, we are considered to be experts…on our own kids, that’s all.

    [please bear in mind that I’ve only just got home from work and haven’t caught up with what’s been going on yet]

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:16 pm

    What was sexist about the criticism that kruger got?

    Gee, I don’t know. Maybe stuff like bitch, bimbo, whore, slut and the c-word isn’t really sexist.

  267. Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:27 pm

    “……..who don’t agree with her brand of bigotry #as a celebrity who is using her microphone and popularity to mouth off about complex, divisive issues and inciting hatred toward another group of people.”

    There it is again as is the usual Lunatic Leftist “branding exercise”…..dare to voice a different opinion and automatically you are labelled a “bigot”

  268. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:33 pm

    “Bad, naughty me”

    Precisely. Name calling is not logical argument. Merely calling her a bigot rather than using facts reasoned argument is exactly your style.

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:37 pm

    It isn’t bigotry or racism if the broard brush criticism is of Is5

  270. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:37 pm

    Gee, I don’t know. Maybe stuff like bitch, bimbo, whore, slut .

    Yes, that is sexist. Where was that coming from?

    As I said, I’m only just catching up [while cooking a meal]

    and the c-word isn’t really sexist

    Does that mean the c-word that became quite a feature here on the other thread was actually of sexist intent?

    Jamila Rizvi: Five facts to fight Sonia Kruger’s fear of Muslims
    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/five-facts-to-fight-sonia-krugers-fear-of-muslims/news-story/f3167335462ab1949fcc36f3c5934e1b

  271. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:39 pm

    dare to voice a different opinion and automatically you are labelled a “bigot”

    Can you think of a more perverse form of bigotry than denying people based solely on their religion?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2016/jul/19/pauline-hanson-sam-dastyari-qanda-muslim-video

  272. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:41 pm

    “There it is again as is the usual Lunatic Leftist “branding exercise”…..”

    That is all the left have got. Did you see that mongrel Murrandoo screeching abuse at Pauline Hanson yesterday. Or the hysterical bunch of wannabe thought police trying to shut her up outside the ABC studios. They don’t have a brain to bless themselves with. If they did they would not be leftists.

  273. July 19, 2016 5:45 pm

    l wouldn`t worry about it armchair. Somebody is in `over-drive` pretending he is all `feminista` outrage defending an over-paid, phobic, talking-head spouting nonsense. He will soon return to form of demanding the poorest of women are over-using medicare, should lose weekend OT-rates and are no9t allowed an onion.

  274. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:46 pm

    Where was that coming from?

    ‘apparentlies’ apparently

    But, as long as people who were happy to defend misogynists in our political system can now start waving their little flag in defense of something that might (or might not) have been said on twitter or elsewhere, we can all ignore the rampant bigotry that the likes of hanson and kruger are rattling.

    Apparently, Spouting bigoted bullshit is the perfect time to now, finally, become interested in misogyny

  275. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2016 5:53 pm

    Did you see that mongrel Murrandoo screeching abuse at Pauline Hanson yesterday.

    What, THIS ‘abuse’

    “Now you are kicking the Muslims around, you are just a racist redneck with your red hair,” he says.

    “Go away, go back to Ipswich and your fish and chip shop, you’re disgraceful, you are intellectually dishonest and you are not welcome here.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-17/aboriginal-leader-murrandoo-yanner-yells-at-pauline-hanson/7635506

    HTFU

    After the ‘abuse’ Aborigines copped from her, she got off light. All he did was yell at her some hard truths. Fuck, if only he had abused her. THEN you might be able to complain.

  276. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:03 pm

    Apparently, Spouting bigoted bullshit is the perfect time to now, finally, become interested in misogyny

    Where were all these white knights and dames when julia gillard copped it mercilessly?

    After all that time and effort put into denying it over steve price and eddie, we’ve come to a screeching, shuddering U-Turn. That was so quick, my head is spinning [or is it the wine I just drank?]

    I’d like to see all the evidence of this genderised, sexism though, I can’t see much on my twitter feed, maybe it’s elsewhere, could you link to it please?

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/07/19/09/36/sonia-kruger-responds-to-criticism-over-call-to-ban-muslim-immigration#QGfBWK76lO1vq0Jr.99

    [kruger] …“I acknowledge my views yesterday may have been extreme. The reaction overnight – in the papers, online and via social media – demonstrates there are a myriad of opinions in Australia of which I fully appreciate.

    “It is a hugely complex and sensitive issue, it’s an issue with no simple answer – and it’s an issue that cannot be fully discussed in a short televised segment…

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:11 pm

    Name calling is not logical argument.

    So why do you do it?

    Are you special?

    Why does wally do it, is he special?

    Why does ToM do it, is he special?

    Amazing …

    dare to voice a different opinion and automatically you are labelled a “bigot”

    Or “Lunatic Leftie” …

    Astounding …

    Did you see that mongrel Murrandoo screeching abuse at Pauline Hanson yesterday. Or the hysterical bunch of wannabe thought police trying to shut her up outside the ABC studios.

    Support for Hanson …

    Astounding …

    Plebiscite may be postponed till 2017 …

    And so it begins …

  278. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:17 pm

    Speaking of name calling i remember being abused by lefties on Tim Dunlops blog way back in 2007. I must admit blogs were an eye opener to the hatred of lefties. My personality started to change and i started to get more aggressive and started to give some abuse back. The internet does lower peoples behaviour or perhaps the real person starts to emerge.

    I remember TB telling me to go and post somewhere else where my comments would be more appreciated.

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:29 pm

    I must admit blogs were an eye opener to the hatred of lefties.

    Open both eyes and you just might see the nastiness of the tory RWNJs!

  280. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:36 pm

    Islam is shit. It has no redeeming features whatsoever. I am talking here of Islam as practised by the Prophet. The less Islam we have here the better off we will be.

    The lefty media try to hide the identity of Muslim criminals from the public. Lefty politicians are no better. Lefties get their rocks off appearing to be virtuous, but how many refugees get settled in inner city suburbs? SFA! Instead, they are sent to live among and murder and rape and rob those awful redneck Westies.

    There is a problem when a prominent cartoonist has had to change his residence on police advice essentially because too many Muslims are intolerant cunts. And I’m not talking about that unfunny piece of canine excrement, FDOM. He is strictly from the take it up the arse from Islam school of cartooning. The fact that gutless fools like him are being cowed into grovelling subservience is another example of the price we all pay for importing the mental illness that is Islam.

    There is no reason to keep importing social problems. There are very few countries with sizeable Muslim populations and no terrorism. Islam has bloody borders.

    So why not take a pause and wait until we get some answers about the extent of the problem, how it is being addressed and how we can ensure we get workers into the country rather than welfare addicts.

    There are more pleasant ways of stating the underlying issues here, but seeing as I will be screeched at anyway, WGAF.

    I hope we don’t have any politicians as morally degraded and mentally ill as the German woman pollie who lied to police about the identity of her Arab Muslim rapist because she did not want to promote racism. In the end, when one of the European countries goes down (and I don’t mean just being cowed into selling out their freedoms and values because that process is well underway) maybe Australia will learn a lesson and try to protect itself.

  281. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:44 pm

    “Open both eyes and you just might see the nastiness of the tory RWNJs!”

    What a silly old hypocrite you are. You only ever attack from one direction.

  282. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:47 pm

    Gas cartels having a field day on Australian consumers [Michael West]
    Gas cartels having a field day on Australian consumers Michael West 19 July 2016, 4:30pm 2

    …Australia’s energy prices continue to soar while our gas customers ship our gas thousands of miles and still pay less than we do. Michael West and Bruce Robertson​ report.

    IN JAPAN, they pay a lot less for Australian gas than we do in Australia.

    Last month, the spot price in Japan was US$4.27 (AU$5.67) per gigajoule (GJ) whereas the average spot price paid in Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide in June was US$6.87/GJ.

    Australian consumers paid, on average, 60% more for gas produced in Australia than did our customers in Japan.

    This is even more bizarre when you consider that, before the gas is shipped 6,000 kilometres to Japan at a cost of US$0.75GJ, it first has to be liquefied at an LNG plant at a cost of US$1.50/GJ.

    We are being skewered — every consumer and every business which uses gas is being gouged. Spiralling energy prices – electricity costs have doubled in recent years too – are all part of the train wreck which is Australia’s energy policy…

    …Not only is our East Coast gas market controlled by a cartel of three producers, Santos, Origin Energy and the Exxon/BHP marketing nexus in the Bass Strait but gas distribution is also controlled by a fabulously profitable pipeline troika.

    Australian Energy Regulator (AER) data shows the return on equity of one pipeline asset is a dazzling 159% – the sort of return which would have been quite acceptable to Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman’s Sinaloa Cartel in Mexico.

    As pensioners shiver this winter – “energy poverty” is on the rise – the gas cartel may also send more manufacturing businesses in Australia to the wall, or drive them offshore, as has been the case with leading fertiliser group Incitec…

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:55 pm

    What a silly old hypocrite you are. You only ever attack from one direction.

    Please explain?

    It obviously gets up your fkn kilt!

    Thanks for demonstrating my point again … you silly old prick.

    Talk about escalate a conversation … you can’t even see your own hypocrisy.

    You once said we had more in common than I thought … I don’t think so … (not that I ever did) …

    Do you really know what a hypocrite is?

  284. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 6:56 pm

    So, dumfuck leftists drive up the price of energy with their RET, which drives investment and jobs out of the country and now the stupid fuckers want to blame gas producers or anyone but themselves. We’ll never hear the end of this meme. But that is the way it is on planet stupid. The only way this will end is if we figure out how to grow brain cells in otherwise empty leftist heads.

  285. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2016 7:08 pm

    TB, the argument goes like this:

    1. You always attack from the ALP/left point of view. Always.
    2. When ever anyone criticises ALP/left you respond with “look over there” the others are just as bad. It is like a nervous tick. It isn’t a rational way to argue but you can’t help yourself.
    3. Telling people to “open their eyes” when you are so rusted on ALP/left is monumentally hypocritical.

    And look at this way, TB: we are both opinionated old windbags. The difference is you are slightly more moderate in your expression. I’m prepared to hammer both sides whereas you have real trouble criticising the ALP. You are a bit more tribal like that. The differences aren’t that great.

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2016 8:55 pm

    The differences aren’t that great.

    You have no idea … as I thought …

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2016 8:56 pm

    The new resources minister, Matthew Canavan, has warned there is still a level of uncertainty about the impact of carbon emissions on global warming and described the Adani Carmichael coalmine as an “incredibly exciting project” for Australia.

    And so it continues …

  288. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2016 9:02 pm

    And so it continues …

    Thank goodness. After destroying our manufacturing industry you now want to destroy coal mining which is our second biggest export. Is there anything you lefties do not want to destroy?

  289. July 20, 2016 1:45 am

    “And look at this way, TB: we are both opinionated old windbags. ”

    Far be it from me to disagree…

  290. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:03 am

    Right-wing commentators can’t have it both ways on Islamophobia and free speech
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/rightwing-commentators-cant-have-it-both-ways-on-islamophobia-and-free-speech/news-story/05daeab3faf9aca2c65fdb5ecf837b40

    …THE gospel according to many a right-wing columnist is that all people to “the Left” of centre are abusive put-down artists spewing “bile-filled hate” and dedicated to shutting down free speech, if not with their abuse, then by the insidious promotion of political correctness.

    If you want proof of this, so declared Righty-right commentator Rita Panahi earlier today, look no further than the torrent of abuse TV host Sonia Kruger copped for her (ill-considered) call for Muslim immigration to Australia to be stopped…

    …The Right can’t have it both ways. They can’t howl down (and slag off at) anyone and everyone who takes issue with what they regard as sacred Rightman’s business and claim to be upholders of free speech at the same time. Nor can they claim political correctness is stifling debate when millions of words each day on the airwaves, in print and on social media illustrates otherwise…

    Embattled Sonia Kruger has few friends in TV willing to publicly support her after Muslim comment
    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/embattled-sonia-kruger-has-few-friends-in-tv-willing-to-publicly-support-her-after-muslim-comment/news-story/b7e7cfbc7932c256be42fc9b5ebc2ba7

    Lindt Cafe inquest: dramatic scenes as victim Tori Johnson’s mother storms out
    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/lindt-cafe-inquest-dramatic-scenes-as-victim-tori-johnsons-mother-storms-out/news-story/c1031c5637555ee19a5e335cb074047e

  291. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 8:54 am

    Thanks for the link to the independent story AO it proves that the gas companies are gouging us.

    And saying that they need to recoup their investments is rubbish. These plants are designed as fill ins for when demand is higher than supply. That is their role. They were used also when the coal fired stations were still in use.

    This is just another example of power companies screwing the users and blaming a scapegoat

  292. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 9:00 am

    Thanks for the link to the independent story AO it proves that the gas companies are gouging us.

    Then why isn’t somebody doing something about it?

  293. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 9:13 am

    Then why isn’t somebody doing something about it?

    Ever wonder WHY I get pissed of with the msm nil?

  294. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 9:55 am

    “These plants are designed as fill ins for when demand is higher than supply. That is their role. They were used also when the coal fired stations were still in use.”

    That’s quite an amusing comment and proves that you either didn’t bother reading the Link or more likely your comprehension skills are lacking……………but we already knew that bit

  295. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 10:01 am

    Santos Limited “gouging” its way to 2 years of losses (source Annual Report 2015)

    Earnings per share (cents)
    2008 94.7
    2009 50.8
    2008 251.4
    2009 52.0
    2010 59.8
    2011 84.8
    2012 54.4
    2013 53.3
    2014 (95.6)
    2015 (234.2)

    No wonder Michael West was booted from Fairfax

  296. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 10:11 am

    or more likely your comprehension skills are lacking

    lacking?

    http://www.afr.com/business/energy/gasfired-power-station-bids-for-sa-low-carbon-contract-20160210-gmqctd

    Santos? They are just one with their fingers there. And they have bigger stakes in other projects, that obviously aren’t doing well.

    The story was mainly about APA

  297. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 11:02 am

    Just as i suspected. SA went for gas because while it is still a fossil fuel it produces less CO2 than coal. If they had stayed with coal, SA would have no problems. And from TomRs link the Greens do not even want to use gas.

    If the government was serious about limiting carbon dioxide emissions, the tender would be limited to renewable energy projects only,” said Mark Parnell, Greens energy spokesman and leader in the SA Parliament.

  298. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2016 11:08 am

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 11:21 am

    “And look at this way, TB: we are both opinionated old windbags. ”

    Certainly not in your league though …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As I recall power prices have been skyrocketing for well over a decade … if I recall around the time power was privatised …

    And FYI … I generate enough power to be self sufficient (if I chose) and supply to the grid … and my rates have escalated … our own power storage in a few of years I’m guessing … with a neighbourhood consortium for support …

    Its early days for renewables … a horse and buggy was more efficient than the first cars too … (and renewables is not just wind and solar)

    And the scienceand technology improves by the day …

    Power supply should be a government NFP service not a profit centre for shareholders … that’s the real problem … see wally’s comment above …

  300. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 11:31 am

    Well at least the guy stole the money from his party. This guy stole from all of us

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/eddie-obeid-and-son-moses-charged-over-30-million-coal-deal-20160706-gpzycv.html

    Corrupt former Labor minister Eddie Obeid and his son Moses have been charged over a $30 million coal deal, as authorities tighten the net around the one-time powerbroker and his family over a series of business deals……..The conspiracy charges relate to a lucrative coal tenement the Independent Commission Against Corruption heard was created “smack bang” on top of the Obeid family’s rural property Cherrydale Park while Obeid was in office.

    What i don’t understand is why some mud does not stick to Bob Carr like it did to Bjelke Peterson and his corrupt ministers?

  301. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 11:53 am

    “A MOTHER and her three daughters have reportedly been stabbed in France because they were ‘scantily dressed’. …..According to local reports, the motive of the attack is unclear but the man had allegedly made references about the females being ‘too lightly dressed’……..French media reported that the attacker was a Muslim although that has not been confirmed.”

    However, local prosecutor Raphael Balland told La Parisian: ‘The motive of the attack is very unclear….‘No religious connotation word has been pronounced.’

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/mother-and-daughter-stabbed-in-france-for-being-scantily-dressed/news-story/2ce577ad3c01548f6be3323397aead3e

    I wonder if Sportsbet is offering odds on that one ?

  302. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 12:05 pm

    “Power supply should be a government NFP service not a profit centre for shareholders … that’s the real problem …”

    No the real problem is that neither party has a policy in regards to allocation of gas for domestic use only.

  303. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 12:17 pm

    Its early days for renewables

    What is wrong with coal? WE have enough for hundreds of years.

  304. July 20, 2016 12:20 pm

    “As I recall power prices have been skyrocketing for well over a decade …”

    Indeed! I have a one bedroom unit in Tassie, and the water bill is $1200 a year.

    $1200 a year.

    For fucking water!!!

  305. July 20, 2016 12:22 pm

    “What is wrong with coal? ”

    Let me think…

    Could it be that “it kills people…?”

  306. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 12:22 pm

    Perhaps they are into watersports ????????

  307. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 12:26 pm

    Could it be that “it kills people…?”

    What can i say. How many people die digging coal?

  308. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 12:27 pm

    “What can i say. How many people die digging coal?”

    Let’s ban cars too

  309. July 20, 2016 12:43 pm

    “Aussie dollar could rally to US80c unless RBA cuts rate, AMP says”

    Which is also an expert prediction.

    Predictions are worthless.

  310. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 12:50 pm

    Predictions are worthless.

    Who could ever forget this

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/speech/html/speech.htm

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    In an uncertain and fast‑changing world, we walk tall — as a nation confidently living within its means.

    This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time.

    Wayne SWan Budget Speech 8/5/2012

    In a just and moral world Wayne Swan should be in prison. Same goes for Treasury who made those predictions

  311. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 1:01 pm

    “Predictions are worthless.”

    But you do believe in Climate Forecasts dontcha ?

  312. July 20, 2016 1:29 pm

    “But you do believe in Climate Forecasts dontcha ?”

    Yes, that’s different. They’re prophecies, not predictions.

  313. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2016 1:31 pm

  314. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2016 1:42 pm

  315. July 20, 2016 1:49 pm

    “Yes, that’s different. They’re prophecies, not predictions.”

    That’s right, bible science trumps science science..

  316. July 20, 2016 1:50 pm

    I see some cunt’s building an ark.

    Like that’s going to be useful..,

  317. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 1:52 pm

    Let’s ban cars too

    Windmills to . Not sure how many people die building windmills but apparently thousands of birds die from these things

  318. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 20, 2016 2:27 pm

    “However, local prosecutor Raphael Balland told La Parisian: ‘The motive of the attack is very unclear….‘No religious connotation word has been pronounced.’”

    No wonder Pauline Hanson is so popular. Maybe if politicians and government officials stopped covering up for the Religion of Pieces people would have some confidence in them.

    As it stands. most people have stopped taking notice of the politically correct spin-driven drivel spouted by mainstream politicians who will soon realise they have no audience left to lie to.

  319. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 20, 2016 2:38 pm

    Guess they will have to change the name of the school as well: blockquote>Teachers at the prestigious northwest Sydney school, Cheltenham Girls High School, have been asked to stop referring to students as “girls”, “ladies” and “women”, and use only gender-neutral language, The Daily Telegraph today reported.

    The request was put to teachers at a staff meeting earlier this year discussing the implementation of the Safe Schools anti-bullying program, the newspaper reports.

    It was suggested to teachers that by using such language they could be seen to be breaking the law and could be at risk of being sued by LGBTI students.

    Yet another example of LGBTI bullies shoving their agenda down our throats. And yet another reason the gay marriage plebiscite will be lost.

  320. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 3:05 pm

    Maybe if politicians and government officials stopped covering up for the Religion of Pieces people

    Wow, so, it turns out the guy in France is not a Muslim, so you go with ‘cover up’

    You’re starting to make the loud munktoon seem sane these days splatarse

  321. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 3:08 pm

    If they had stayed with coal, SA would have no problems

    We have had problems long before we decided to go renewables. The problems, I think, were WHY we went renewable.

    No the real problem is that neither party has a policy in regards to allocation of gas for domestic use only.

    BINGO

    It is a failure of the political class (from both/all sides) to put profits before people. And when they write articles about pensioners freezing because of renewables, that’s just doubling down on the heinous behaviour of those involved.

    For fucking water!!!

    In TASSIE fer chrissies sake!

    Yes, that’s different. They’re prophecies, not predictions.

    Let’s not forget also unfolding before our eyes 😉

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 3:37 pm

    Let’s ban cars too

    And stupids … we have too many hoomans on erf now …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see some Australian* cunt’s building an ark.

    * Ed.

  323. July 20, 2016 3:44 pm


    Let’s not forget also unfolding before our eyes😉”

    I already have.

  324. July 20, 2016 3:48 pm

    “Wow, so, it turns out the guy in France is not a Muslim”

    Not sure that’s correct.

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 3:50 pm

    … have been asked to stop referring to students as “girls”, “ladies” and “women”, and use only gender-neutral language

    I read that story this am and have been wondering on and off all day what “gender-neutral” language you could use … peeple – hooman – hey, you … then I got it!

    GUYS!

    Lets ban morons who run private schools …

    And yet another reason the gay marriage plebiscite will be lost.

    If there ever is one … LOL! What a joke … TurnAbbott is still the same weak willed twat he started out as …

    Yet another example of LGBTI bullies shoving their agenda down our throats.

    Far be it from me to disagree…

    … infectious isn’t he? 😀

  326. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 3:56 pm

    Not sure that’s correct.

    Are you going on his name, or his beliefs?

    Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, the man who used a 19-ton delivery truck to kill 84 people in Nice last week, had spent the days before the attack searching online for violent crash videos and religious material, but had no connection to radical organizations.

    https://news.vice.com/article/the-nice-truck-attacker-was-into-crash-videos-but-not-islam

  327. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 3:59 pm

    “…….shoving their agenda down our throats. ”

    Could you please choose your words with a bit more care

  328. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:00 pm

    Could you please choose your words with a bit more care

    Plunging their agenda up our arses?

  329. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:01 pm

    “The family were attacked while on holiday in the village of Garda-Colombe in the Hautes Alpes near Montpellier in the south of France.”

    So what’s Montpellier got to do with Nice ?

  330. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:04 pm

    “Bouhlel’s uncle, Sadok Bouhlel, stated his nephew was indoctrinated about two weeks prior to the attack by an Algerian member of the Islamic State group in Nice.[33] According to authorities, Bouhlel watched many ISIS beheading videos and researched in depth the Orlando shooter Omar Mateen”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Lahouaiej-Bouhlel

  331. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:08 pm

    And from Sydl*ey’s Northern Beaches!

    CLAPPING has been banned at a Sydney primary school which has introduced “silent cheering”, “pulling excited faces” and “punching the air” to respect students who are “sensitive to noise”.

    The school now only allows its pupils “to conduct a silent cheer” when prompted by teachers and says the practice “reduces fidgeting”.

    Elanora Heights Public School, which is on Sydney’s northern beaches, announced its new “silent cheer” policy in latest school newsletter.

    The latest example of a political correctness outbreak in Australian schools, which have banned hugging, singing Christmas carols, celebrating Australia Day and singing the word ‘black’ in the nursery rhyme ‘baa baa black sheep’.

    The ban on clapping at Elanora Heights Primary School emerged on the same day that an exclusive girls school banned teachers from calling “ladies” or “women” in favour of “gender-neutral” terms.

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:15 pm

    LOL! HAAHAAHAA! Onya, Miranda! Dopey twit!

    Or …

    The Case of Look Before You Leap!

    Teachers at Cheltenham Girls high school in Sydney were never told they should avoid referring to students as “girls”, “women” or “ladies”, despite claims in the Daily Telegraph on Wednesday that they had been asked to use gender-neutral language.

    The front page story by Miranda Devine claimed the request to use gender-neutral language at the all-girls school in north-west Sydney was made at a staff meeting to discuss the implementation of the Safe Schools program earlier this year.

    According to the story, titled “School bans girls”, teachers were told “that if they did not support decisions of LGBTI students they would be breaking the law, would be considered homophobic and were not welcome by the school”.

    The allegations made in the Daily Telegraph are being investigated at the request of the New South Wales education minister, Adrian Piccoli, as is departmental policy for any public complaint.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/20/teachers-at-sydney-high-school-never-told-to-use-gender-neutral-language

    More made up shyte! More right wing tripe? Dripping everywhere … LOL!

  333. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:15 pm

    Bouhlel’s uncle

    And he is the only one to even mention it (apart from ISIS, who would be quite happy to claim responsiblity)

    Investigators have found no link, apart from watching videos.

    Of course, what isis HAS done could have influenced him, just as watching videos of truck crashes can also.

    But by all reports, he was not a ‘practising’ muslim, he was just a nutjob.

  334. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:21 pm

    More made up shyte! More right wing tripe?

    It’s everywhere, it’s everywhere.

    Murdoch media gets it hopelessly wrong on wind energy. Again.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/murdoch-media-gets-hopelessly-wrong-wind-energy-53381

    10 Tips To Help Murdoch Reporters Write Great Energy Articles!

    http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/10-tips-help-murdoch-reporters-write-great-energy-articles/

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:24 pm

    “”””QUEENSLAND

    While the rest of the nation is going to shiver, Queensland will continue to enjoy springlike conditions for a while yet.

    Southeast Queensland is in the midst of a heatwave with the town of Standthorpe enjoying its hottest July day in 78 years today recording a top temperature of 23.2C.

    Brisbane is set for a balmy 28C on Friday and could beat the hottest July day on record at 29.1C, the Courier-Mail reported.””””

    Beautiful one day, perfect the next!

    The weather truly is fabulous at the moment!

    Our new hive is almost FULL of honey … how quick was that?

    Won’t nick any until later in the year … needs to mature (apparently) and provides the hive with food of course … (depends on how many flowers there are – naturally winter is slow)

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:24 pm

    he was just a nutjob.

    …and isn’t it great that nutjobs now have a religion/philosophy that provides some purpose and justification for their sociopathic inclinations!

  337. July 20, 2016 4:27 pm

    People named Mohamed are generally Muslim. And they don’t usually renounce their religion for fear of losing their head.

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:28 pm

    Beautiful one day, perfect the next!

    Do you remember that link I provided TB – the one that demonstrated that Melbourne ahs –
    * more hours of sunshine per day, on average, than Brisbane
    * less rain on fewer days than Brisbane

    You’ve fallen for the propaganda.

    Brisbane is fine if –
    * you prefer stifling humidity
    * hours away from a genuine beach
    * plenty of rain and regular floods

  339. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:32 pm

    People named Mohamed are generally Muslim

    Yea, and I’m considered a ‘Christian’

    That doesn’t make me one. Perhaps you should watch Sam Dastyari completely confuse the crap out of pauline hanson on QandA when she ended up thinking he was a Muslim.

    It’s stupid on a stick

  340. July 20, 2016 4:34 pm

    You’ll also find France’s prime minister has spoken about this person’s radicalisation. (Can’t give a link at the moment. Doing three things at once.)

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:34 pm

    Yeah!! Just a nutjob!

    But he had a “clear and recent interest” in radical Islamist movements, Mr Molins said.
    From 1 July, Lahouaiej-Bouhlel made more or less daily internet searches for verses of the Koran and “nasheeds” – jihadist propaganda chants. He also researched the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Fitr.
    Investigators found photos of dead bodies and images linked to radical Islamism on his computer, including the flag of so-called Islamic State, the cover of an issue of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo – attacked by gunmen in January 2015 – and photos of Osama bin Laden and Algerian jihadist Mokhtar Belmokhtar.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36801763

  342. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:35 pm

    …and isn’t it great that nutjobs now have a religion/philosophy that provides the opportunity to place the blame somewhere.

    (hint, the ‘nutjobs’ here is not referring to the assailant either) 😉

  343. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:37 pm

    “But by all reports, he was not a ‘practising’ muslim, he was just a nutjob.”

    And Man Monis also was not a practising Moslem as he sexually molested women and probably was an accessoriy to the murder of his wife……………but of course he was not a terrorist either despite what the Coroner’s evidence might say.

  344. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:37 pm

    Wow, he googled Islam

    That doesn’t make him a radical jihadist you idiot.

  345. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:39 pm

    As the string of record-breaking global temperatures continues unabated, June 2016 marks the 14th consecutive month of record-breaking heat.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/20/june-2016-14th-consecutive-month-of-record-breaking-heat-says-us-agencies

    Damn those scientist soothsayers, getting it right time and time again.

  346. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:40 pm

    And Man Monis also was a nutjob, as the inquest heard. The tactical response did not treat him as a jihadist, as his behaviour did not fit the mould.

  347. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:40 pm

    “Lahouaiej-Bouhlel made more or less daily internet searches for verses of the Koran and “nasheeds” – jihadist propaganda chants. He also researched the Islamic holiday of Eid al-Fitr. …Investigators found photos of dead bodies and images linked to radical Islamism on his computer, including the flag of so-called Islamic State, the cover of an issue of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo ”

    ToM in the eyes of our chief Troll that is purely coincidence

  348. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:42 pm

    ToM in the eyes of our chief Troll that is purely coincidence

    You do understand that searching your computer would most probably find those images also. It’s called the cache.

  349. July 20, 2016 4:42 pm

    Apparently we’re now redefining the definition of Muslim. Why are some people so wilfully blind to the real problem we are facing here?

  350. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:43 pm

    “And Man Monis also was a nutjob, as the inquest heard”

    Only from one witness, plenty of others have labelled him a terrorist.

    “The tactical response did not treat him as a jihadist, as his behaviour did not fit the mould.”

    You cant conclude that. That evidence is still underway

  351. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:43 pm

    Maybe if politicians and government officials stopped covering up for the Religion of Pieces people

    How about we have no political endorsement or public funding of any religion? Just. stop. it.

    None of them should exist and flourish because of public policy and the forced taxation of all citizens, just get the fkn religions out of the public space.

    I’ll agree with Pauline, let’s have this national debate, but let’s not make it only about muslims, let’s get them all in the spotlight and debate the need for their reliance on the public purse and their mandate for imposing personal, private religious belief over the general community and public policy.

    Shall we start a petition?

    It’s Time!.

  352. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:44 pm

    “Why are some people so wilfully blind ..”

    Because it might provoke a terrorist apparently to carry out the stuff terrorist do……..like terrorize

  353. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:45 pm

    Apparently we’re now redefining the definition of Muslim. Why are some people so wilfully blind to the real problem we are facing here?

    I know what the problem is

    Religion

  354. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:46 pm

    Why are some people so wilfully blind to the real problem we are facing here?

    Yes, why are people trying to blame all atrocities on one religion, when the underlying cause is often quite different.

    You cant conclude that.

    I didn’t, it was what the chief of the tactical response said at the inquest to explain their response.

  355. July 20, 2016 4:46 pm

    “That doesn’t make him a radical jihadist you idiot.”

    You said he wasn’t a Muslim. You keep changing your position.

  356. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:51 pm

    Pauline would probably lose a bit of support if the Grand Fucking Mufti of Australia actually stopped sipping on his sandy coffee and got off his arse and came out an screamed in protest at EVERY act of Muslim terrorism that occurs.

    Instead he sits on his arse all day chomping on his homous and tabouli without a care in the world.

    People are fucking really pissed off with the complete silence and not surprisingly are also pissed off with the Muslim community for a perceived lack of condemnation from their entire community.

    They sit there watching like silent spectators until someone in the broader communityactually says “I’ve had a gutful of Muslims” like Sonia Kruger did

  357. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:53 pm

    “..it was what the chief of the tactical response said at the inquest to explain their response.”

    Which one ?

    It’s not over yet and one of them has changed some admissions even today

  358. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 4:54 pm

    ‘In ISIS inspired sieges the maximum chance of survival of the hostages is through early intervention by police,’ the inquest heard from a report by UK terror experts.

    But the forward commander maintained that ‘time was his friend’ during his second day giving evidence, telling the inquest that ISIS attacks were more violent than events in the Lindt cafe.

    ‘They commence with a high level of violence, high levels of death, whether by a person-borne bomb or automatic gun fire, they are not a siege situation,’ the detective chief superintendent with 35 years’ experience said.

    Because of these differences, storming the cafe to end the siege was not the best strategy and police persisted with their contain-and-negotiate approach, he added.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3697147/Mother-Lindt-Cafe-siege-hostage-Tori-Johnson-calls-police-commander-absolute-disgrace.html

    You said he wasn’t a Muslim. You keep changing your position.

    Yes, and he was as muslim as I am christian or as muslim as Sam Dastyari is.

    But then, you knew what I meant, didn’t you?

    Anyway, life time for me 🙂

  359. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 5:09 pm

    We have had problems long before we decided to go renewables. The problems, I think, were WHY we went renewable.

    You think? So according to you SA went for renewables because they were having trouble with coal?

    Why is it you lefties are on the wrong side every time?

  360. Positioning Your Change permalink
    July 20, 2016 5:17 pm

    (Islam must change: War hero MP Andrew Hastie leads radical push.)

  361. July 20, 2016 5:19 pm

    Did everybody notice the nelson teabag was gushing over kevin07 today????

  362. July 20, 2016 5:23 pm

    “Not sure how many people die building windmills…”

    I’d say it would be in the millions if I had to put a figure on it.

  363. July 20, 2016 5:25 pm

    “Yet another example of LGBTI bullies shoving their agenda down our throats. ”

    True. Just you wait until its compulsory.

  364. July 20, 2016 5:28 pm

    “But then, you knew what I meant, didn’t you?”

    Yeah, no. I thought when you said he wasn’t a Muslim, that’s what you meant. This is going to be so much harder if I have to read your mind as well.

  365. July 20, 2016 5:29 pm

    “Plunging their agenda up our arses?”

    I nearly fell of my chair reading that!! 😆😆😅

  366. July 20, 2016 5:30 pm

    “silent cheering”, “pulling excited faces” and “punching the air” to respect students who are “sensitive to noise”.

    FFS…🙄🙄🙄

  367. July 20, 2016 5:33 pm

    “People named Mohamed are generally Muslim. ”

    Gee, who knew.

  368. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 5:34 pm

    “But the forward commander maintained that ‘time was his friend’ during his second day giving evidence,…..”

    Yeah well that judgement went well………………….

    Pretty much explains why you would use him in your argument I guess

  369. July 20, 2016 5:37 pm

    “Instead he sits on his arse all day chomping on his homous and tabouli without a care in the world.”

    NTTAWWT

  370. July 20, 2016 5:38 pm

    “People are fucking really pissed off with the complete silence and not surprisingly are also pissed off with the Muslim community for a perceived lack of condemnation from their entire community.”

    Fair point.

  371. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 5:48 pm

    * more hours of sunshine per day, on average, than Brisbane
    * less rain on fewer days than Brisbane

    * you prefer stifling humidity
    * hours away from a genuine beach
    * plenty of rain and regular floods

    As long as you believe that and you can only get a temporary visa out of Mexico that’s fine with me …

    Wonder how the Muslim populations compare …

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 5:53 pm

    NTTAWWT … hehe, kettle – pot black?

    The Grand Mufti shouldn’t be the GM IMO … not active enough … and poor English skills*

    I suppose he is the GM of Australian Islam (2.2% or less than 500,000 Australians) … not ALL Australia …

    *alert!

  373. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 5:56 pm

    George Christensen threatens to vote against Coalition’s superannuation changes

    And so it begins …

    The Unravelling of House Liberal …

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:00 pm

    Schwartz talked extensively about the 18 months he spent working with Trump, and said he would have titled the book The Sociopath.

    “I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is … I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilisation.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jul/19/trump-co-writer-says-candidate-could-end-civilisation-the-art-of-the-deal-tony-schwartz

  375. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:09 pm

    “I suppose he is the GM of Australian Islam”

    Nope………only Sunni Islam.

    Which also makes me wonder why the Shi-ites don’t display some enthusiatic “product differentiation”………………like free range and non free range et al

  376. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:09 pm

    “George Christensen threatens to vote against Coalition’s superannuation changes ”

    Good !

  377. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:10 pm

    “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilisation.”

    I better go long on Gold then

  378. Walrus permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:12 pm

    Might go long on Wheat and Hog Bellies as well.

    Even after a nuclear apocalypse there is always some cash to be made from starving people

  379. Revisionary Testimony permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:21 pm

    (Speaking of nutjobs, the Lindt Cafe outcome likely is what happens when a mentally unstable person is left to their own devices in a room with and without a calculating sociopath; the police likely didn’t read the basic situation wrong; ultimately, they, like everyone in the critical moments that morning, including Man ‘had a plan, didn’t expect to die, easily manipulated’ Monis, had their (respective) hand(s) forced by….)

  380. July 20, 2016 6:21 pm

    True,,,,,,Just you wait until its compulsory,,,,,,

    Somebody already thinks it is (-:

  381. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:29 pm

    The Unravelling of House Liberal …

    Not really. The Coalition has a long history of members crossing the floor. You get thrown out of the ALP if you do that.

  382. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:32 pm

    Yeah, no. I thought when you said he wasn’t a Muslim, that’s what you meant.

    Yea my bad. I didn’t say ‘practicing’ or ‘real’ muslim. He’s a muslim by …. what, locality ffs

    for a perceived lack of condemnation from their entire community

    Yes, but, whose fault is that, the muslim community for responding to the atrocities, or the media for largely ignoring that, and then letting morons like hanson repeat that rubbish unchallenged?

  383. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:34 pm

    ??I better go long on Gold then??

    Pray for us all, wally …

    … gold will vaporise BTW … invest in cockroaches …

  384. July 20, 2016 6:36 pm

    Contrary to the Daily Telegraph’s report, there was never any instruction given to avoid use of “girls”, “ladies”, “women” or other gender-specific terms at Cheltenham Girls High School.

    Full article at the guardian

  385. July 20, 2016 6:38 pm

    I always thought Grand Mufti was a day when we could wear fancy dress to work..

  386. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:46 pm

    Just went to check the GM out …

    On the website …

    “””””14th July 2016

    Dr Ibrahim Abu Mohammed – Grand Mufti of Australia·Friday, 15 July 2016
    My deepest sympathies are with the victims and families of the recent attack in France, whilst celebrating Bastille Day.
    We continue to stand united in condemnation against such evil acts on humanity.”””””

    Nope………only Sunni Islam.

    He is Sunni but was “elected” by the Australian Islamic Council do you have a link to where the Shi-ite dis-endorse him?

    Just interested … (Sun Tzu)

  387. July 20, 2016 6:46 pm

    (lt seems teabag-media are trying to blame the plod for `monis` and lindt. Plod had already dragged `monis` to court multiple times. lt was the court/s-judge/s that kept letting `monis` loose to do as he pleased. Had nothing to do with the rest of the muslim citizens either, haters.)

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:52 pm

    I always thought Grand Mufti was a day when we could wear fancy dress to work..

    Isn’t it when it gets really cold (as in Mexico or Taswegia) and you should wear a big mufti around your neck?

  389. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 6:55 pm

    lt seems teabag-media are trying to blame the plod for `monis` and lindt.

    And so they should – how many fkn shots were fired by the rozzers in the end?

    I couldn’t believe when I first saw the rush …

    Should have called in SAS at the start … trained, skilled and experienced … even the AFP would have been better than the state cops!

  390. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 7:23 pm

    Live long and prosper! Yeah …

    Mate’s wife just rang – his blood pressure skyrocketed from 75 to 175 in an hour … he has a pacemaker that actually slows or stops his heart … seems its not working …

    Poor sod found out in the UK on holidays a couple of years ago … collapsed in a park twice and again on the way out … 66 yo … just retired …

    Politicians need their heads read … retire @ 70 live till 110 what fkn nonsense …

  391. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 7:40 pm

    TURKEY COUP

    Something about the Turkish military coup doesn’t seem right to me … and I can’t tell you what it is … ’tis simply a “gut feeling” … Erdogan strikes me as an Islamic “Hitler” … just too slippery and slick … I hope I’m right but I don’t see this coming to a nice ending … there will be a lot of blood on the streets of Turkish cities methinks and its a bloody bigger country than you think (one I’ve visited and travelled, ToM, further than the Peninsula BTW) …

    If Turkey returns to Islam as Erdogan is leading it … Europe will be in deeper trouble than it is now …

    Spot fires …

    Even this “story” seems too Tom Clancy to me …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/turkeys-president-erdogans-aircraft-was-being-tracked-by-rebel-f16-fighter-jets-when-it-vanished/news-story/6f5da655efda23dd438fb7f73da6956f

  392. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2016 8:01 pm

    Wow TB, 4 posts. You must think your views are important.

    I noticed you posted a comment by your hero the Grand Mufti. Does it ever cross your leftists brain that the Grand Mufti posts what he is supposed to say?

    The reality is that the Grand Mufti wants us all dead. He just cannot say that.

  393. July 20, 2016 8:08 pm

    ’tis simply a “gut feeling”

    It’s the vibe.

  394. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 8:15 pm

    Want to know why people can’t afford homes (not houses for profit) … read this dumb arsed article …

    And count the ifs … and for the dumb “journalist” … its not “if you can bare it” – its – “if you can bear it” … (ask ToM)

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/wealth/how-should-you-really-spend-your-house-deposit/news-story/231fc444776e3faec64951e4ee4d71b6

    No-one ever tells you that once you OWN your home the pricks in your state capital and Canberra can’t touch you! Even if you lose your job you have a base from which to search for the next one and you’re not “ownd” by anyone!

    ‘Tis not hard … save half, spend half … own a home and then invest … “there is always a way!”

    “If you don’t like your job! You don’t like where you live! Move, you’re not a tree.” – Jim Rohn*

    (*I was given a ticket to see, Jim Rohn, in Brisbane, in the early 80’s, by my then boss/mentor, after asking me how he could reward me for a project I’d completed for him – my mate had organised his visit to Oz and told me he was pretty good … Jim was a multi millionaire three times over – he lost two lots – he was brilliant – his anecdotes still are)

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 8:16 pm

    It’s the vibe.

    Just being honest, ToSY

    My the Force be with you!

  396. July 20, 2016 8:19 pm

    Obviously when it all `kicked-off` at the end, there was excessive shooting and flashbangs, but the plod were trained `tactical`, but l was referring to `all` the other failings before hand.

    TRIMMING THIS and IGNORING THIS ,,,,,Plod had already dragged `monis` to court multiple times. lt was the court/s-judge/s that kept letting `monis` loose to do as he pleased.,,,,

    MAKES AN INFERIOR and unworthy argument (as is flying over known hot battlefied) from the `prevention` is better than `cure` aspect.

    # ,, asio`n afp-plod weren`t much help either

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

  397. July 20, 2016 8:26 pm

    “My the Force be with you!”

    Always. 😜

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2016 8:28 pm

    Wow TB, 4 posts. You must think your views are important.

    I noticed you posted a comment by your hero the Grand Mufti. Does it ever cross your leftists brain that the Grand Mufti posts what he is supposed to say?

    The reality is that the Grand Mufti wants us all dead. He just cannot say that.

    Did anyone ever tell you that your brain is like a dead toad and filters light and knowledge like a festering carcass a thousand years dead, sifting like sands in a wash of acid and caustic nonsense, incoherent dribble and pustulating like yellow and green bile from your ears, nostrils and gob … onto you melting keyboard ?

    Acknowledgement : splatterbum – for his inspiration and encouraging me to experiment more …

    I have no time for the dumb Grand Mufti you fucking moron!

    The Grand Mufti can’t speak English you fucking imbecile! His staff post his shyte.

    You have no proof the Grand Mufti wants anyone dead you fucking moron!

    And nor do I support or agree with anything Islam … ignoramous … it was the GM’s comment not mine!

    May Allah strike you! Dickhead.

    What is it with the bunch of right wing fuckwits on this blog that put their own thoughts, twisted ideas and words into other people’s comments …

    FEAR!

  399. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2016 8:31 pm

    Populist rage puts global elites on notice
    http://www.afr.com/news/world/populist-rage-puts-global-elites-on-notice-20160720-gq9gt5

    …Real income stagnation over a far longer period than any since World War II is a fundamental political fact. But it cannot be the only driver of discontent. For many of those in the middle of the income distribution, cultural changes also appear threatening.

    So, too, does immigration – globalisation made flesh. Citizenship of their nations is the most valuable asset owned by most people in wealthy countries. They will resent sharing this with outsiders. Britain’s vote to leave the EU was a warning.

    So what is to be done? If Mr Trump were to become president of the US, it might already be too late. But suppose that this does not happen or, if it does, that the result is not as dire as I fear. What then might be done?…

    When Brandis met the ACL on gay marriage: our FOI denied
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/07/18/attorney-generals-discussions-australian-christian-lobby-kept-secret/

  400. July 20, 2016 8:33 pm

    Seems your mate is living the john-w wet-dream

    `work till ya drop`

    ,,,,Politicians need their heads read,,,,,#agree #sorry about your mate, hope he is ok now

  401. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2016 9:09 pm

  402. July 20, 2016 9:26 pm

    l was watching the `fromelles` memorial earlier. At the end they played the `new` national anthem. Fcuk l hate it, it sounds like a herd of wailing teabags being wound thru a wringer. They should have stuck with the old anthem.

  403. Temperate To The Max permalink
    July 21, 2016 12:09 am

    (Fair point.

    Very.

    ——————————-

    Barnaby Joyce rejects Pauline Hanson’s policies, saying every religion has ratbags

    How did those Upper House Hansonite votes get in the Lower House Nationals jar, and/or vice versa?)

  404. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 21, 2016 8:59 am

    Love your new style, TB. Now I just have wean KL off her Twitter tick and into a class on creative cursing.

    Maybe now that Twitter has permanently banned Milo “How can I be racist when I suck so much black dick?) Yiannopoulos people will realise it is merely an asylum for dumb leftist trolls.

    Also, speaking of dumb leftist trolls, the Guardian fibbed to us about Cheltenham Girls High. It pretended nothing happened when in fact staff were requested to ditch gender specific language. It turns on the use of the word “instructed”, which the Tele did not use in its stories. Straw man much.

    Meanwhile, according to the leftist dogfuckers at the Teacher’s Federation “mum” and “dad” need to be banned as words students use to describe their parents:

    Teachers have been advised to no longer use the terms ‘mum’ or ‘dad’ and young boys are being encouraged to dress up as girls in new education guidelines.

    The instructions have been released by the NSW teachers’ union on ways to address LGBTI issues within the school environment, reported The Daily Telegraph.

    The latest guidelines for ‘non-gender-specific free play,’ come in the wake of a string of drastic political correctness measures taken by Australian schools.

    Bring on the plebiscite:

    *Even if you don’t like the message, the iceberg may come in useful in bed – kinda like ice cubes and a butt-plug in one handy device. I should patent that.

  405. July 21, 2016 9:46 am

    “I should patent that.”

    Well you did think of it first, oddly enough…

  406. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 21, 2016 9:57 am

    Actually, reb I’d be shocked if it hadn’t been tried before. “There is nothing new under the sun” as my late mother used to say (though I doubt she had this in mind). All you’d need is a set of moulds in various sizes and some flavouring.

  407. Walrus permalink
    July 21, 2016 10:24 am

    “Wow TB, 4 posts. You must think your views are important.”

    At least he’s a consistent fucking Leftist Lunatic unlike you who go on espousing the virtues of the LNP over the years then when confronted by a slightly Left leading leader you go off reservation and vote for Independent Chaos.

    You now OWN the chaos that is about to descend upon us.

    You have completely destroyed this country with your traitorious desertion from the Liberal heartland.

    Thanks to you there will now be a plague of toads and we will probably now see the mass slaying of all newborns.

    I hope you are proud of yourself

    There must be a special place in Hell reserved for you by Sir Robert Menzies.

    Shame……….Shame………….Shame

  408. TB Queensland permalink
    July 21, 2016 10:49 am

    Thanks to you there will now be a plague of toads

    Should arrive tomorrow with their football, wally … that’ll fix ‘im …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    #sorry about your mate, hope he is ok now#

    Thanks tbagz … let I’m out at midnight … he thought he’d had five “events” over a couple of weeks but had actually had five (pacemaker keeps count) … he’s fine at the moment according to the phone call we just got … looks like a second ablation to his heart … via the groin … I’ll see him on Saturday – told him, I reckon he just likes them playing around his nether regions!

    Live each day! ‘Cause the conveyor belt keeps moving!

  409. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 21, 2016 10:51 am

    Nice sub-title for the blog, reb.

  410. July 21, 2016 11:34 am

    “You now OWN the chaos that is about to descend upon us.”

    So does Neil…

    LEST HE FORGET

  411. Tom R permalink
    July 21, 2016 11:35 am

    Nice sub-title for the blog, reb.

    That’s your opinion, anyway!

  412. Tom R permalink
    July 21, 2016 11:39 am

    LEST HE FORGET

    Somehow, I don’t think many here will let him.

    Of course, we all must take our share of the blame.

    I mean, I tried to convince youse alls with pesky facts and figures. But after TB’s sterling effort last night, ribald Vogon poetry seems to be the persuader of choice.

  413. Tom R permalink
    July 21, 2016 11:40 am

    OK, I can’t do ribald, so I’m sticking to the tried and failed

  414. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 21, 2016 11:42 am

    So does Neil…

    He was talking about me. For the first time in my life i did not vote for my local Liberal candidate because this person voted for Turnbull to replace Abbott. And guess what? This person lost the seat and i am happy.

    Traitorous actions should never be rewarded.

  415. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 21, 2016 11:48 am

    “ribald Vogon poetry” 🙂

  416. July 21, 2016 11:48 am

    I have posted Rostrum part 2 seeing as this thread is getting too long.. please continue “the discussion” if you can call it that, over there…

    Do you cunts have any idea how difficult it is to administer a blog from a mobile phone?

    No, no one ever thinks about me do they??

    It’s always; “my taxes, my superannuation, my renal failure……”

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