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US pastor, who believes floods are God’s punishment, has home destroyed by flood

August 19, 2016

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A US pastor Tony Perkins, who believes natural disasters are sent by God to punish gay people, has fled his home in Louisiana after it was swept away by a devastating flood.

Perkins, who heads up the rabidly anti-gay “Family Research Council,” has revealed that he was forced to escape his property in a canoe with his family.

“This is a flood of near-biblical proportions,” Perkins said on his radio show.

“We had to escape from our home Saturday by canoe. We had about 10 feet of water at the end of our driveway. Our house flooded, our cars flooded.”

In a 2015 interview with Messianic Jewish pastor Jonathan Cahn, Perkins agreed that Hurricane Joaquin, a devastating storm that hit Hawaii last year, was “a sign of God’s wrath,” punishment for abortion and for the legalization of same-sex marriage.

“God is trying to send us a message,” he said at the time.

Perkins also frequently compares homosexuality to pedophilia. “It is a homosexual problem,” he said.

He also believes “the homosexual community” is engaged in behavior “that will destroy our nation”.

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2016 6:59 pm

    Read this story that said we are not to gloat with glee … or some shyte!

    All I can think of is:
    LOL! LOL!
    LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

    Praise be to the power of the Lawd!

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2016 7:00 pm

    US pastor Tony Perkins, who believes natural disasters are sent by God to punish gay people, has fled his home in Louisiana after it was swept away by a devastating flood

    A gay! Still in tha’ closet?

  3. August 19, 2016 7:04 pm

    dog works in mysterious ways…

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2016 9:55 pm

    Ain’t that the woof!

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2016 6:00 pm

    And what would she know?

    She’s only the CEO appointed by the ALP government after the last one resigned in protest over the shabby deal.

    The new CFA chief has refused to endorse the state government’s costing of the contentious new workplace deal and admitted the agreement is difficult to interpret.
    CFA chief executive Frances Diver told 3AW that the authority’s management was still working through the deal’s cost despite the government’s insistence it would be $160 million.
    However, documents leaked to The Sunday Age indicated the dealcould reach almost $700 million.
    Ms Diver, who has chosen for the role by the state government, said the agreement was not ideal and at 400 pages was the longest she had seen.
    “One of the problems I see is that it’s long, it’s complex. Its clauses interact with each other and I think it’s quite difficult to interpret,” she said.
    Ms Diver also conceded it “is a problem in some ways” that CFA management would have to engage in increased consultation with the United Firefighters Union as part of the deal.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/new-cfa-chief-frances-diver-admits-new-agreement-not-ideal-20160819-gqwelg.html

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2016 8:27 am

    Wrong fred, ToM … or are you deliberately lighting spot fires over the entire blog?

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2016 9:59 am

    I didn’t realise there was a thread on this debacle TB.

    …but it looks as if Danny’s hand picked CEO thinks the agreement is a crock. The only people defending it are Danny and his hack mates.

    …and Tom R.

  8. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2016 3:46 pm

    “The matters the union wants us to consult with them about they’re issues of safety,” she said. “So why wouldn’t we consult with them about issues of safety?”

    Why wouldn’t you defend it?

    Of course, the headline could just as easily be, The new CFA chief has refused not to endorse the state government’s costing of the contentious new workplace deal and admitted the agreement is difficult to interpret.

    But headlines are easy to right when someone isn’t making a judgement one way or another.

    I see they link to their previous garbage about modeling already shown to be wrong.

    Barrel, meet the bottom feeders lol

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2016 5:39 pm

    I didn’t realise there was a thread on this debacle TB.

    You seem to troll every new fred, sreb kindly puts up …

    I couldn’t GAFF about Mexican shyte …

    TR I think you meant “write” … your welcome … ~(:-)

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2016 7:32 pm

    Turnbull wants to diagnose rightwing populism? He should look to his own party
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/18/turnbull-wants-to-diagnose-rightwing-populism-he-should-look-to-his-own-party

    …Malcolm Turnbull’s main concern about rightwing populism seems to be that it leads to protectionism. Never mind the refugee scapegoating his party has engaged in or the populist ideals that got Tony Abbott elected

    Turnbull’s attempt to project seriousness and toughness on economic matters was overshadowed by a reminder of how the Liberal party actually wins elections…

    …Where Trump promises to “build a wall”; Abbott said he would “stop the boats”. Where Abbott promised to “end the waste”, Trump promises to “do better deals”. While Abbott pandered to climate change denying crackpots, Trump peddles conspiracy theories about his primary opponents. Each energised the rightward edge of his party.

    And both men have projected hypermasculine public images while prosecuting intensely personal, sexist campaigns against female opponents. While Trump talks about “crooked Hillary”, Abbott yelled about Julia Gillard’s “criminal government”…

    …In office, Turnbull may have wound back the rhetoric, but he hasn’t changed refugee policy at all, and seems unable or unwilling to rein in those members of his party who obsess about halal food or attend Reclaim Australia rallies.

    If he deserves any credit at all, it arises from the fact that his lack of evident enthusiasm in administering these policies has led the likes of Andrew Bolt to criticise him relentlessly.

    But that doesn’t change the fact that the Liberal party has been the principal agent in embedding an immigration system, and a kind of ambient public racism, that acts as a model for populist right wing groups in Europe and elsewhere. (Labor’s craven accommodation of this – after having initiated mandatory detention in the first place – is a discussion for another day.)…

  11. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2016 9:04 pm

    so true

  12. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2016 7:48 am

    so true

    What if you are an Angry White Man though?

  13. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2016 7:52 am

    TR I think you meant “write” … your welcome … ~(:-)

    by jove, I think you are write. Thanks TB (tnawm)

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2016 8:05 am

    I find it difficult to relate racism to capitalism … racism exists in all versions of economies and political systems … its cultural surely – instilled into children and bloodlines?

    And I can assure you, people of races other than “white” are/can be just as racist as anyone else …

    In my experience colour does not matter, culture does not matter, personal means (wealth) do not matter … if the people themselves are nice and treat each other with respect we are really all the same deep down … I’ve had some really interesting discussions with complete strangers around the world – simply by asking one question …

    I confess to sensing resentment in some third world countries … but not from everyone …

    I’ve been privileged to visit and live in other countries and cultures … everywhere I’ve been I’ve found human beings to be pretty much the same … family oriented, happy to work for a living to protect and feed their families, eager for their children to be successful (more than themselves) via education, to celebrate the good times, with family and friends, to share, and to help each other in loss.

    Only two things interfere with those expectations … organised religion and greed …

    1% of the population may own 50% of the wealth but they are also responsible for much of the poverty, wars and cruelty in the world …

  15. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2016 8:16 am

    1% of the population may own 50% of the wealth but they are also responsible for much of the poverty, wars and cruelty in the world …

    I AGREE!!!

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2016 8:19 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/22/rising-inequality-in-australia-could-cost-3-of-gdp-study-finds

    Inequality in Australia has grown between 2011 and 2014 and its impact on the economy could cost up to $500 per person by 2019-2020.

    This is the finding of a new paper from the Inclusive Prosperity Commission within Labor’s thinktank, the Chifley Research Centre.

    It suggested that if no action is taken to reduce inequality, it would eventually cost Australia 3% of GDP over the next 25 years.

    And so it continues – as wealth is sucked out of the economy … the economy falters … and society fails …

    The latest report of the Household, Income and Labour Dynamics in Australia (Hilda) survey, by the Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research, shows that the median incomes of Australian households have stopped growing since the global financial crisis. The Hilda survey also highlights the continuing issue of housing affordability and that those under 35 have largely missed out on the increase in wealth households have experienced over the past 15 years.

    You only need to look to the state of affairs in America right now to know the importance of household incomes.

    In real terms, the median household disposable income in the US is now just 0.6% above what it was in 1989, and is about 6% below what it was just prior to the GFC hitting in 2007.

    No society = no economy = no wealth = no control = chaos = control – by force … the cycle of poor and poverty paying the price continues … the elites win either way …

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2016 8:57 am

    I think it’s 1960s nonsense to make such an unequivocal connection between capitalism and racism.

    Yugoslavia had a socialist system for a couple of generations nd then lapsed into the worst racist genocide imaginable.

    Trite comments like that from Stokley Carmichael show a lack of depth of experience beyond how he feels about the USA.

  18. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2016 9:17 am

    Trite comments like + what would she know? + <show a lack of depth of experience beyond what she would say she knows, or lack thereof

    Am I write, or am I right?

  19. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2016 9:26 am

    This is from the afr story reb linked to in the previous fred. Which I have deemed to be too long 😉

    Michelle Rowland was initially denied leave to get back to Sydney and her sick baby, and arts minister Simon Crean was stopped from attending artist Margaret Olley’s state memorial. The convention that the Prime Minister and Opposition Leader were automatically paired was not respected. Until the Abbott office saw reason, Gillard could not attend a weekly meeting with the Governor-General, a practice which had existed since Federation, to discuss the assent of legislation.

    Ministers were frequently stopped from doing their job outside Parliament, whether at home or abroad. In 2012, Tony Burke, as environment minister, was barred from representing Australia in Brazil at a once-in-a-decade United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development.

    Then there was the parliamentary behaviour. Virtually every day at 2.50pm, the Opposition would suspend Question Time and move to censure the government for some rubbish reason. Gillard was always interrupted with frivolous points of order. In a bid to render the Parliament inoperable and collapse the government, the Coalition wilfully traduced the Parliament, its conventions and the office of Prime Minister.

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/election-over-so-what-could-possibly-go-wrong-20160817-gqucv0?btis

    It is nice to note that afr, who were not that vociferous in their outrage to yabots actions while they were being actioned, is at least acknowledging them in 20 20 retrospect. It is also a joy to behold whyney pyney whyniing whyningly about not being able to bludge whenever he wants because of Labors ‘threat’

    It would be more helpful if the media highlighted more just how well Labor are trolling the libs in this. As the ALP have stated, all malcaymnan need do to allow pairs is to acknowledge just why he needs them in the first place. malcayman saying he has a healthy majority, and the media relaying this info unquestioningly is all Labor are highlighting. Should malcayman acknowledge the precarious state of play, which is obvious to all, then they claim pairs will automatically be granted.

    Trolling at the Parliamentary level, you really have to admire that. 🙂

  20. Safety, In Numbers permalink
    August 22, 2016 9:59 am

    (Am I write, or am I right?

    It still lacks one thing: some authoritative Malsplaining?)

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2016 10:23 am

    Stokely was a dumb commo. He would say that. And like minded commos everywhere will agree with him.

  22. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2016 10:51 am

    Unfortunately the Greens don’t seem to be showing the world the way forward by enthusiastically adopting their euthanasia policy on a personal basis, notwithstanding the obvious benefits to the planet if these fuckers became extinct.

    Failing this I hope they get on board with the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.

  23. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2016 12:28 pm

    Well i have been banned from AIMN again. To my surprise i was allowed to post for a week or two. Then my comments went into moderation because people complained. Then i was banned.

    I was banned for saying we should be taking our refugees from UNHCR camps rather then those who pay $10,000 to come by boat.

    I was called a piece of filth because we have no compassion of those fleeing being bombed. But these people are safe in Indonesia. What about refugees who have no money to pay a smuggler?

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2016 1:16 pm

    Well i have been banned from AIMN again.

    If I were you I’d be working on a poetic apology for certain Trashers here rather than wasting everybody’s time stirring shit at AIMN …

    My guess is that if an apology isn’t forthcoming soon you could suffer the same fate with this Blogmeister – he has always operated under far stricter protocols than AIMN … ~(8-)

    (Note: Last time I commented at AIMN no-one said fkn BOO! Not even a g’day!)

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2016 1:29 pm

    Well i have been banned from AIMN again.

    That’s what you get for mixing with totalitarians.

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2016 1:49 pm

    What annoyed was that i made a reasonable point. Refugees without $10,000 cannot make it to Australia under Labors system. I was basically called a child molester for caring about refugees without money or those from the Sudan who could never make it to Indonesia.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2016 3:46 pm

    Oh never mind, here you go!

    What if you are an Angry White Man though?

    If you are an Angry White Man you gain political power through capital so that you are best placed to make the rules that grant you power over others.

    How Capitalism and Racism Support Each Other
    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/35804-how-capitalism-and-racism-support-each-other

    You Can’t Have Capitalism Without Racism:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kirsten-west-savali/you-cant-have-capitalism-_b_5809628.html

    Questioning Immigration is Not Racism
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/06/questioning-immigration-is-not-racism.html

    Can We Have Capitalism Without Racism? The Invisible Chains of Debt and the Catastrophic Loss of African American Wealth
    http://www.alternet.org/economy/can-we-have-capitalism-without-racism-invisible-chains-debt-and-catastrophic-loss-african

    https://twitter.com/WorldOfMarkyD/status/767590144241176576

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2016 3:48 pm

    And which is the alternative economic model that prevents racism?

  29. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2016 3:56 pm

    “If you are an Angry White Man you gain political power through capital so that you are best placed to make the rules that grant you power over others.”

    World peace through identity politics, envy and hatred. Communist cunts of the world unite!

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2016 4:35 pm

  31. August 22, 2016 6:06 pm

    “I was called a piece of filth”

    Oh the indignity.

  32. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2016 6:23 pm

    I was called a piece of filth

    Perhaps they have a policy of not swearing over there, which helped them refrain?

    Scott Morrison attacks super funds not investing in coal for ‘political reasons’

    Has nobody shown him the trajectory coal has taken on the market in recent years?

    Treasurer also tells radio interview he is frustrated superannuation funds do not invest more in Australian assets

    Perhaps they are just playing ‘follow the leader’, hey malcayman?

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2016 7:08 pm

    Oh the indignity.

    I was spat on!

    Has nobody shown him the trajectory coal has taken on the market in recent years?

    Wally’s obviously pissed off about that … and the rise of the free energy from renewables … either that or he’s on holidays … or building bamboo houses to ease his capitalist conscience …

    Surely villagers know how to build a home?

    Fish for a village for a week – or show them hos to fish for a lifetime …

    Wouldn’t it be a HIT if MALfunction and Lucky TurnAbbout INVESTED IN AUSTRALIA! Like the REST of us!

    Lucy, is really knowledgeable about the struggles of “ordinary” Australian families and tunes in once in a while …

    Born Lucinda Mary Hughes, Turnbull is the daughter of Tom Hughes, a former Attorney-General of Australia.[1] Her great-grandfather was Sir Thomas Hughes, the first Lord Mayor of Sydney. She was educated at Kincoppal School, Frensham School in Mittagong,[2] and the University of Sydney, where she graduated with a Bachelor of Laws (in 1982).[3] Turnbull also holds a Master of Business Administration from the Australian Graduate School of Management of the University of New South Wales.

    The Nation is controlled by a family of Born to Rule Multi-millionaire Elites … who couldn’t make a decision unless it meant making money for the Elites (1%ers – the Europeans are now naming the rich and incompetent!)

    Some Septic Tanks are just too stupid to realise that Trump is an ELITE! (Not interested in anyone exce3pt himself and his family – just like YOU and ME!

    In 1660 the Poms got wise, in 1765 the American Settlers woke up, in 1789 the French said fuck eating cake! Arseholes! Schoop!

    History WILL repeat itself and very, very soon!

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2016 7:30 pm

  35. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2016 9:08 pm

    who couldn’t make a decision unless it meant making money for the Elites

    You mean like chasing our car industry back over seas simply to bash bloody Unions with? Well, that worked out well, didn’t it.

    From the BI link from AO’s link

    But with Australia’s manufacturing industry having been hollowed out too over the past decade, the capital investment pipeline for both mining and manufacturing are gone. So the fall-off, when measured in terms of a percentage of GDP, is nothing short of spectacular in historical context, as shown in this chart from Macquarie:

    Yes, it WAS being hollowed out. And then, it got gutted, by hockey and the other leaners who were too stingy to put some investment in Australian jobs, but who are more than happy to plough Australian tax dollars straight back into overseas companies via their stupid company tax cuts.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2016 10:06 pm

    … more than happy to plough Australian tax dollars straight back into overseas companies via their stupid company tax cuts.

    That’s being Australia’s Economic Managers … TR …

    What fkn BULLSHIT!

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2016 10:09 pm

    The employment minister, Michaelia Cash, has struggled to explain exactly how Victoria’s Country Fire Authority is being subjected to a “hostile union takeover” in a new pay deal struck by the Victorian Labor government.

    Chuckle … ToM – Unions BOO! HOO!

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2016 1:09 am

    https://twitter.com/jeremysear/status/767689921565892608

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2016 7:00 am

    Honestly AO- what’s the point your Mark is making. The extract is illegible and without any explanation. What’s the point of you posting it?

  40. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2016 8:22 am

    What’s the point of you posting it?

    Because it confirms what the grubmint cannot.

    It’s all smoke and mirrors. And made up bullshit by the Usual Suspects.

    Employment minister fails to say how individual volunteer firefighters in Victoria would be worse off under union deal as Coalition unveils legislation to block it

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/22/cfa-dispute-michaelia-cash-stumbles-over-claim-of-hostile-union-takeover

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2016 8:42 am

    Isn’t the point that the volunteers are not being taken over. The CFA is a political issue masquerading as a workforce issue. It is a turf war and anti union empire building?

    How come everyone else has to accept the FWA umpire’s decision except these people. Why are they so special in the workforce?

    Should we all just do our own thing and abandon the IR system entirely? Personally, that is what I’d like to see and be a part of. A workers revolt yeah, it’s about time, let’s do it, bring the country to it’s knees!

    Do away with industrial relations rulings and bring back our right to strike and militant action when we don’t like the original outcome.

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2016 8:51 am

    Will this become malcolm’s ‘waterfront’?

    https://yourcfainfo.vic.gov.au/get-the-facts/

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2016 9:12 am

    How come everyone else has to accept the FWA umpire’s decision except these people. ”

    No one had to accept the non binding recommendation of a single commissioner

    But everyone other than the volunteers were able to be represented. If you don’t think that’s a denial of natural justice, you’re misguided

  44. August 23, 2016 9:19 am

    “And which is the alternative economic model that prevents racism?”

    Good question. Which resident anti-capitalist will be the first to answer it?

  45. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2016 9:22 am

    Cash says “it’s the vibe” lol

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2016 10:54 am

    “let’s do it, bring the country to it’s knees!”

    The ratbag unions are already doing their level best. Cheered on by the leftist cuntocracy.

  47. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2016 11:19 am

    Words fail

  48. August 23, 2016 11:42 am

    When dog was telling perkins all its p0ofter-bashing dressed-up as `dogs-wrath` you would thing dog might of mentioned perkins should build an `ark`.

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2016 1:38 pm

    So did the former union official turned FWA Commissioner make his (non binding) recommendations without hearing from the volunteers?

    Is that the fair process that everyone should be comfortable with? And the volunteers should just cop?

  50. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2016 1:56 pm

    Is that the fair process that everyone should be comfortable with? And the volunteers should just cop?

    Yea, the Fair Work aint Fair!!

    This is the same “Fair Work” that housed the likes of yabots cronies after all isn’t it

    No yomm, you stick with the likes of Michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash

    Never forgetting that ‘the vibe’ is ‘the vibe’ they created with their lies.

    yorr on a winner yomm, stick with it, after all, everything malcayman touches turns to gold, doesn’t it?

  51. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2016 2:52 pm

    The Germans have a lesson for us: how many culture-enrichers do we need to take in before we get to this:

    The German government plans to tell citizens to stockpile food and water in case of an attack or catastrophe, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung newspaper reported on Sunday.

    Germany is currently on high alert after two Islamist attacks and a shooting rampage by a mentally unstable teenager last month. Berlin announced measures earlier this month to spend considerably more on its police and security forces and to create a special unit to counter cyber crime and terrorism.

    “The population will be obliged to hold an individual supply of food for ten days,” the newspaper quoted the government’s “Concept for Civil Defence” – which has been prepared by the Interior Ministry – as saying.

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2016 3:22 pm

    It was a simple question Tom R, but you’re welcome to avoid answering it.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2016 3:34 pm

    Hope yer stocked up on yer meds, sb, it could be an arab spring, down under – this summer …

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2016 5:46 pm

    It was a simple question Tom R, but you’re welcome to avoid answering it.

    have you actually watched Michaelia Cash?

  55. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2016 6:37 pm

    It was a simple question Tom R, but you’re welcome to avoid answering it.

    If it is so simple, perhaps you can posit an answer for us?

    I have a simple question

    Do you agree with michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash?

  56. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2016 6:40 pm

    The German government plans to tell citizens to stockpile food and water in case of an attack or catastrophe

    Wasn’t that in reference to the Olympic Gold in soccer?

  57. August 23, 2016 6:59 pm

    l confess, l would really enjoy dumping half-a million `moosies` in splatts local area. #squirt.squirt.squirt

  58. Tom of Melbourne i permalink
    August 23, 2016 7:08 pm

    I haven’t caught up with what Michaela Cash said. Unfortunately I’m in Hicksville ie Brisbane.

    …but it would seem reasonable that any stakeholder effected by the instrument, decision or recommendation of FWA should be given the opportunity to put their case

    But considering the rights of non members isn’t something the union have on their list of priorities

  59. August 23, 2016 7:39 pm

    Of course,,,,,History WILL repeat itself and very, very soon!,,,,,TB, just look how rapidly history repeats itself around here. By stridently maintaining the correct level of ignorance folks can insist that 16-jets being shot-down is not enough to close airspace, to fringe waffling about firemen and ignoring the `main` game.

    An ABC investigation of recent political donations from the past two years reveals Chinese businesses are by far the largest foreign-linked donors to both major parties.

    Between 2013 and 2015 Chinese-linked companies and individual donors poured more than $5.5 million into Liberal and Labor party coffers.

    Analysts say Chinese political donations are one way Beijing seeks to gain influence in Australia.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-21/china-australia-political-donations/7766654

    # ,, yes, yes, l too can`t believe toolman did this good job

  60. August 23, 2016 7:50 pm

    “”it would seem reasonable that any stakeholder effected by the instrument, decision or recommendation of FWA should be given the opportunity to put their case””

    Indeed. And one of the chief proponents articulates the case like no one else possibly could…

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/crash-investigation-michaelia-crashs-fiery-car-wreck-interview,9387

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2016 9:29 pm

    Thanks reb

    “fingernails on a chalkboard”

    That describes Cash’s voice to me, it sets my teeth on edge just listening to her.

    I think the whole CFA thing is another lib party attempt to start a fire with two sticks, they hoped it would turn into a full on blaze, there’s plenty of air being blown onto it but the fire’s not starting.

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2016 9:31 pm

    I haven’t caught up with what Michaela Cash said. Unfortunately I’m in Hicksville ie Brisbane.

    I live in Brisbane and I’ve watched it … maybe you need to get some technology in Mexico City … and catch up with the rest of us …

    …but it would seem reasonable that any stakeholder effected by the instrument, decision or recommendation of FWA should be given the opportunity to put their case

    er, they have … and wow what decisions … build a bridge … no-one wants CFA members to become union members … but Liberal wierdos have such a fascination with eliminating their Achilles heel they can’t see the wood for the burning trees …

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2016 12:01 am

  64. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 3:44 am

  65. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 3:52 am

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 6:46 am

    Heavens! Some obcure academic an another state comments on athe Victorian CFA! That’s a worthwhile contribution

  67. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 8:24 am

    As worthwhile as michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash contributions?

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2016 8:32 am

    Heavens! Why am I not surprised the comprehension of the attachment above (11:52 AM) is negligible …

    … when it comes to anything Union BOO! Smoke gets in your eyes, ToM …

    I think you mean “obscure” …

    BTW he may be “obscure” to you … unfortunately you are not the centre of the universe nor does all that Melbourne sun shine out of your arse …

    Started the bridge yet?

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2016 8:36 am

    As worthwhile as michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash contributions?

    Don’t forget – “it affects morale” – as if Michaelia Cash would even know how to spell moral let alone understand it …

    Since when were workplace documents on protocol and procedure written with worker moral in mind … outcomes, productivity, health and safety, improved co-operation sure but for moral? FFS!

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 8:54 am

    Tom R an EBA is legally binding. Is a memorandum of understanding?

    Does it supercede the ageeement in any litigation?

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 9:10 am

    There I was thinking that the purpose of an EBA was to have conditions that are legally enforceable

    Which is why people like Tom R prefer EBAs to common law contracts, but now it seems that even a memo between parties is better than an EBA!

  72. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 9:46 am

    yomms babbling again.

    It really looks like this is simply a ‘turf war’ between the VFBV and pretty much everyone else. And it seems to because the Victorian Government is simply trying to add numbers of Paid professionals into areas that have predominantly been volunteers. But, with the expansion of the outer suburbs, and the lack of volunteers on the ground, this would seem to be a straight forward decision.

    Unless of course cheapskates like the libs want to stick their noses in and play petty politics.

    As the Tweet above shows, when in power, they did nothing at all for volunteers. As has been shown, volunteers in the effected stations don’t see a problem. And as was shown previously, the volunteers ARE under manned.

    Perhaps instead of stupid questions like “do we need 7 to do whatever”, the question should be, “are there enough volunteers”

    If the answer is no, what is the VFBV’s solution?

    Starting a war with those who help them seems to be the worst approach.

    Which makes me wonder. Who IS the VFBV? Considering they come from mostly rural areas, and rural peoples aversion to Unions is well known, what really is their end game? Do they really have the interests of volunteers at heart, or does their aversion to Unions rule their decisions?

    Below is an extract from a letter from the UFU to Premier Napthine outlining ‘fatal shortfalls identified’ in the recent fire response.

    On Sunday 9 February 2014 – the anniversary of the 2009 fatal bushfires – the following list was the direct outcome of this Government’s failure to
    keep to a programme to employ an additional 342 firefighters, increase staffed stations and appliances:

    http://greens.org.au/news/vic/dereliction-duty-victorian-fire-services-greens

    I could post the entire extract of shortcomings highlighted, but yomm could ignore them as easily here as there 😉

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2016 10:05 am

    Heavens! Some obcure academic an another state comments on athe Victorian CFA!

    Yeah what would a law professor know?

    I can tell you what I know. When it comes to dodgy legalities, our legal system being used and abused for entirely political purposes, the Libs have monumental form.

    …She said the new enterprise bargaining agreement required “seven paid firefighters [i.e. union members] to be present before CFA personnel are able to be deployed to a fire”.

    This is wrong…

    …Visiting Coldstream fire brigade in the Yarra Valley Ms Cash was challenged on her assertion, she responded by attacking the Greens’ Adam Bandt, who had called for her resignation for wilfully misleading the public on the matter, saying he was siding with a “militant union”.

    She then asked the media how could all the volunteers and exiled minister Jane Garrett be wrong?

    Pushed again, she finally said: “I think the use of the word deployed and dispatched – it may have been an incorrect use of wording.”

    Later in a trainwreck interview with David Speers on Sky News the minister again struggled to articulate how the agreement would affect the CFA, other than to say the deal would “undermine” volunteers.

    She raised the case of veteran Yarra Valley firefighter Don Bingham who had been fighting bushfires since the 1960s. But when pressed by Speers about what would happen to Don under the EBA, she could not answer.

    So how do a minister and her office get this so wrong? She admitted that she had not read the EBA – it is very long – but was briefed. Hours later she told Sky she had read the document, although on one occasion Speers had to lean over the desk to point out the clause being discussed.

    At best the performance was poorly timed political over-reach, it was incompetent, and at worst, to borrow a phrase from the Prime Minister, the behaviour was “sinister”, once again whipping up anger among firefighters about their fate for political purposes….

    …Hopefully for the sake of community safety, and public policy, the court can definitively rule and resolve it once and for all.

    This will provide some clarity and put an end to performances like the minister’s and perhaps end the politicisation of Victoria’s paid and volunteer firefighters…

  74. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 10:23 am

    Draw a line

    michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash
    Freehills
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaelia_Cash
    Workchoices
    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1651308.htm

    They have one aim, and one aim only.

    And it sure as hell ‘aint ‘volunteers’

  75. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 10:31 am

    Wow, the AFP are leaping into action for malcayman again re NoBN

    CANBERRA – Labor frontbencher Stephen Conroy has declared an “extraordinary attack on the parliament” with Australian Federal Police (AFP) raids at Parliament House into the leaking of classified documents from the National Broadband Network (NBN).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/08/23/nbn-leak-raids-at-parliament-house/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage

  76. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 10:45 am

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 11:39 am

    Yeah! The ALP minister resigned rather than make the agreement. The previous Board refused to sign it
    They won a Supreme Court injunction to decline to sign it, but the government dismissed them for refusing to sign it.
    The previous CEO resigned over it
    The most senior officers of the CFA have spoken against it
    Even Danny Andrews spoke strongly against the agreement before his union masters made him fall into line
    Then hand picked new CEO has expressed serious reservations about the agreement

    But according to a few union apologists here, it’s the Federal government that has politicised the issue!

  78. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 11:43 am

    But in a scathing letter, obtained by Fairfax Media, volunteer firefighters at Greenvale CFA in Melbourne’s north have condemned the Volunteer Fire Brigades Victoria association for highly public and inflammatory comments about the impact of the union deal.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/cfa-crisis-cracks-emerge-among-volunteer-firefighters-in-row-over-union-deal-20160616-gpkr18.html

  79. Tom of Melbwourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 11:49 am

    So we have a branch out of hundreds that aren’t supportive. Just get a similar commitment from another couple of hundred and you might claim a majority.

    But the interests and preferences of non members have not been a priority for unions and those that mindlessly support them

  80. August 24, 2016 11:49 am

    Between,,,,,2013 and 2015 Chinese-linked companies and individual donors poured more than $5.5 million into Liberal and Labor party coffers,,,,,

    # ,, while ignoring the `main` game, maybe we should pause and consider, how will china instruct `both-teams` they own on, the gay-marriage `delayed` vote, and do china `like` firemen.

    # ,, How does our `sports-fans` enjoy having both teams `owned` by the one owner???? #yaaaay.blib

  81. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 11:50 am

    Just get a similar commitment from another couple of hundred and you might claim a majority.

    I’m sorry, but do you have a letter from hundreds in support, or is it just the VFBV claiming this, and then leading people on with a litany of lies?

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 11:55 am

    … and Tom R and AO ignore the fact that the previous ALP minister, the previous Board, the previous (ALP) appointed CEO, the most senior officers are against the agreement.

    So was Danny before he got his instructions

    Even the new CEO hat expressed serious reservations

    But all that is ignored by Tom R and AO!

  83. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 11:59 am

    the previous ALP minister, the previous Board, the previous (ALP) appointed CEO, the most senior officers are against the agreement.

    And yet those that it impacts cannot see a problem.

    Even the new CEO hat expressed serious reservations

    I think you mean has “offered no position either way”

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 12:35 pm

    So you say the UFU speaks on behalf of the Award covered employees, but you dismiss the organisation representing volunteers speaking on behalf of the volunteers

    Figure that out

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 12:50 pm

    It is Joyce and capitalism suppressing the unions and the workers again!

    Qantas will also reward 25,000 workers who were hit with an 18-month pay freeze as part of the turnaround plan with a $3000 “record result” bonus.

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-posts-1b-profit-will-pay-first-dividend-in-seven-years-20160823-gqzk0z.html

  86. August 24, 2016 12:51 pm

    >From yesterdays pbs/sbs,

    # ,, the-ronald has self-funded his run with 52-mill of his own cash

    # ,, hilary has spent 108-mill on tv-adverts, the-ronald 5-mill

    # ,, hilary has hired 705-staff, the-ronald 82-staff (for-electioneering)

    # ,, (crooked)hilary has to explain 15,000 hidden/lost (new)emails to cia/fbi (yes, another batch)

    realise that,,,,,Trump is an ELITE! (Not interested in anyone exce3pt himself,,,,,#correct.TB

    # ,, and what aspect of the-ronald`s self-interest is continually being ignored by the unhinged teabag-media, could it be that he is a `premium` business owner, that needs consumers to be reasonably well-paid, so they have some cash left-over to spend in his businesses (hotels,casinos) and not the current model of working-poor that only spend at walmart(aldi)

    # ,, the ronald is also bang-on about the TPP, which is basically giving `diplomatic-immunity`-like status to foreign-monsters, while local business will be held to local laws.

    # ,, l don`t know enough about `nafta`, but l suspect there will be charades going-on like clothing mostly made in mexico and shipped into teh-usa in bulk, to be `finished` by having the `final-stitches` holding the `made-in-teh-usa` label and packaged going on. l suspect teh-ronald knows more reasons why `nafta` is mostly a dog for teh-usa.

  87. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 1:30 pm

    So you say the UFU speaks on behalf of the Award covered employees

    DUH, no I didn’t

    volunteer firefighters at Greenvale CFA in Melbourne’s north have condemned the Volunteer Fire Brigades Victoria association for highly public and inflammatory comments about the impact of the union deal.

    Yea, I can see why you and michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash get along so well 😉

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2016 1:37 pm

    Oh good. There I was thinking that your support for the EBA was because the UFU wanted it and so do the employees. But apparently that’s not what you think.

  89. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 1:39 pm

    But apparently that’s not what you think.

    It appears you really don’t know what you think, let alone anyone else yomm.

  90. August 24, 2016 1:47 pm

    The things one-percenters say. (They’d better do this soon, before global warming dangerous climate change wipes us out.)

    “The future of humanity is fundamentally going to bifurcate along one of two directions: either we’re going to become a multi-planet species and a spacefaring civilization, or we’re going to be stuck on one planet until some eventual extinction event. In order for me to be excited and inspired about the future, it’s got to be the first option.”

  91. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 1:53 pm

    Always go with EXPANSion Tony 😉

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3230854/

  92. August 24, 2016 2:00 pm

    stuck,,,on one planet until some eventual (#self-inflicted)extinction event,,,#correct

  93. August 24, 2016 2:41 pm

    “”Qantas will also reward 25,000 workers who were hit with an 18-month pay freeze as part of the turnaround plan with a $3000 “record result” bonus.””

    Wow! That must be really reassuring for all those workers (and their families) who were laid off during all the cost cutting…. 🙄

  94. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 2:50 pm

    who were laid off during all the cost cutting

    Their bonus was not working for a fuckwit!

  95. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 3:21 pm

  96. August 24, 2016 3:25 pm

    Our standards are no better.

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2016 3:46 pm

    “In order for me to be excited and inspired about the future”

    Yes. Of course. That is what is really important isn’t it, Elon? If you are not excited then the world is fucked, eh?

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2016 3:52 pm

    … and Tom R and AO ignore the fact that the previous ALP minister, the previous Board, the previous (ALP) appointed CEO, the most senior officers are against the agreement.
    So was Danny before he got his instructions…

    Don’t the pollies just sack everyone who doesn’t agree with them these days? mike baird taught us that and the friendly media didn’t raise a fuss about it for more than a day.

    …Qantas will also reward 25,000 workers who were hit with an 18-month pay freeze as part of the turnaround plan with a $3000 “record result” bonus…

    They could do better, they could give the staff shares in the company.

    “…And which is the alternative economic model that prevents racism?…”

    “…Good question. Which resident anti-capitalist will be the first to answer it?…”

    I’d start with Social Democracy, with an actual democracy working for people, with reclaiming our sovereignty from foreign ownership, with state intervention, regulation and control in the market.

    Neoliberalism is really on the nose. People are crying out for something fairer, the greens could do something in the social democracy line if they can get it together, it’s working for bernie sanders and jeremy corbyn. A social democrat government would be much welcomed by those who are not happy with the way we are governed and the inequality of neoliberal ‘trickle down’ economics.

    The Greens: Paddling hard but missing the wave
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/-the-greens-paddling-hard-but-missing-the-wave1,9388

    .…Fairer flows of wealth can be assured not only through minimum wage and tax policies, but also by slowing the mechanisms that unfairly pump wealth to the wealthy, like financial market speculation, developer capture of rising land values, unnecessarily concentrated ownership, and more.

    Yes I said a caring economy. The choice is not just between monster capitalism and big socialism, that’s a false dichotomy. Markets always function under rules and, at present, the rules are rigged to favour the rich. They can be changed to share wealth more fairly and to promote quality of life instead of more and more stuff. That’s why the post-war decades were better and we can do better again. All the green and social causes will be much easier to take care of if we’re pushing downhill, not uphill.

    …So most people don’t like our current direction, but they don’t know how to change it. There is the opening for a progressive political party…

    The message was clear:
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2016/august/1469973600/richard-denniss/message-was-clear

    …Many of these voters have been happy to support parties who blamed refugees for the low wages and the difficulty of seeing a doctor in regional Australia. For 15 years, immigration and terrorism have been used to distract some voters from the fact that it was neoliberalism that was undermining their way of life. But this tactic is beginning to backfire on the Coalition, who once told us that asylum seekers threw their children overboard and now complain about scare campaigns relating to health.

    Along with many Greens and ALP voters, there is now an army of former Coalition voters who have no faith that more tax cuts, more free-trade agreements and more privatisation will make them safe or happy. They don’t just want protection from terrorists, and they don’t just want protection for the manufacturing industry. They want protection from unemployment, illness and poverty….

  99. August 24, 2016 4:07 pm

    Qantas,,,,,,paid 2m tax on 1b profit,,,,,,

    # ,, 0.002% income tax, too bad we all can`t pay so little, for us the teabags were trying to increase the gst to 15% not so long ago

    # ,, with this level of tax-discounting, does qantas really expect `kudos` for so-called bonus to workers

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2016 4:13 pm

    Wow! That must be really reassuring for all those workers (and their families) who were laid off during all the cost cutting…

    Well i personally find it good news that Qantas made a profit and will still be operating and employing people rather than closing down.

    How many workers were laid off during the cost cutting?

  101. August 24, 2016 4:27 pm

    “Qantas paid 2m tax on 1b profit and 14b revenue. Tax flat on prior year”

    Qantas had carried forward tax losses of $2,850 billion. They’ve still got $1,474 billion to apply against future profits. They won’t pay any income tax till all those losses have been accounted for.

    Michael West would know this, but context like that won’t help him demonise evil capitalism.

    See Note 5, pages 27, 28, 29.

  102. August 24, 2016 4:37 pm

    Correction, those should be decimal points, not commas: $2.85 billion and $1.474 billion.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2016 4:45 pm

    Wow! That must be really reassuring for all those workers (and their families) who were laid off during all the cost cutting….🙄

    And they would have got …? if the “plan” had failed?

    Did the Leprachaun take a pay freeze? Ever? What’s his “bonus”?

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2016 4:53 pm

    Wage freeze … try freezing prices … LOL!

    Only wages are ever frozen!

    Sharpening the blades and oiling the tumbrils …

    I still prefer to live in a society, rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2016 5:20 pm

    “Michael West would know this, but context like that won’t help him demonise evil capitalism.”

    Yet another dishonest leftist mongrel promoting hatred of capitalism.

  106. August 24, 2016 5:40 pm

    Did,,,the Leprachaun take a pay freeze? Ever? What`s his `bonus`?,,,,

    # ,, yes teabags, that really DOES need to be answered

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2016 6:02 pm

    Yet another dishonest leftist mongrel promoting hatred of capitalism.

    Rather than another dishonest multimillionaires and acolytes promoting trickle down economics (translation: greed) that is slowly (but oh, so surely) destroying capitalism, democracy and the (so called) free world!

    And our society! The Empire is crumbling …

    Having the cake and eating ALL of it is a massive FAIL!

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2016 6:18 pm

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2016 6:35 pm

    Yes, just when people were thinking about the michaelia cash trainwreck interview

    Abbott & co?

  110. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2016 6:48 pm

    Once again – the reality:

    Exactly, and, if malcaymans claims are so good, then he would have no fear from whistle-blowers, would he?

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2016 7:02 pm

    NBN “reality” …

    Go to the NBN Roll out map … https://www.finder.com.au/nbn-tracker/map

    Put in this address … 60 Wakefield St, Sandgate QLD 4017, Australia

    Check the map and then google the address …

    WHY?

  112. August 24, 2016 7:11 pm

    Teabags bragging about qantas-worker-bonus need not breag too hard, according to sbs-news/onion reckons bugger-all workers are left to actually receive said bonus, majority out-sourced/sacked to `agents` in junk-job status, none of these(majority) get bonus.

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2016 7:22 pm

    Wow Qantas makes a good profit and all lefties can do is moan and complain. The same thing happened a little while ago when the Commonwealth Bank made a good profit.

    What do lefties want? For all our companies to be bankrupt?

  114. August 24, 2016 7:24 pm

    “What do lefties want?”

    An apology would be a good start.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2016 7:58 pm

    WHY?

    Its a fkn Masonic Care – ie old folks home … must watch some raunchy porn!

    An island amongst NBN “promised” within the next three years!

    Who paid who?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    An apology would be a good start.

    And jobs not put in jeopardy for BUMPER profits … trickle down economics … my arse!

  116. August 24, 2016 8:03 pm

    60,,,,Wakefield St, Sandgate QLD 4017,,,,

    Regis Sandgate Griffith – Nursing home in Sandgate QLD

    # ,, usually you`re dropping your resume to big-note, now ya`bragging about your home (-:

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2016 8:41 pm

    An island amongst NBN “promised” within the next three years!

    Not sure what you are raving on about. This is what your heroes promised in 2007.

    Labor commits to investing up to $4.7 billion into a new high speed national broadband network for 98 per cent of Australians. This will be fibre optic to the node. 12 megabits per second – and capable of upscaling. It will be laid out over 5 years in partnership with the private sector. In the 19th century, nation builders laid out the railway network. In the 21st century, nation builders are laying out high speed broadband networks.

  118. August 24, 2016 8:59 pm

    Wow,,,Qantas makes a good profit and,,,won`t pay the bonus to its `most-needy` workers. #that.was.so.fcuking.easy

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2016 9:55 pm

    # ,, usually you`re dropping your resume to big-note, now ya`bragging about your home (-:

    I. I don’t need to big note to anyone … ‘specially here … I do establish “why” I reach certain conclusions and under what circumstances … far more than most prattlers …

    2. “bragging” about a FREEMASON”s Old Folks Home – I think not … to start with I don’t believe in the Great Architect (or whatever) … I take it you missed my point … an island of NBN at a Aged Care Facility for the last couple of years I might add? WHY?

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2016 1:03 am

    ‘Angry white men’ much more intolerant of cultural differences than women
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/angry-white-men-much-more-intolerant-of-cultural-differences-than-women-20160823-gqz52q.html

  121. August 25, 2016 7:44 am

    According to that article and its attached quiz, those who disagree that everything about multiculturalism has been positive for Australia (a group made up largely of tradesmen, apparently) are now being ridiculed as Angry White Males. No room here for differences of opinion. That’s how things work now. If someone doesn’t hold the ‘correct’ opinion, they’re abused by the ‘compassionate’ and ‘tolerant’ chattering classes.

    Nice.

  122. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 9:49 am

    they’re abused by the ‘compassionate’ and ‘tolerant’ chattering classes.

    Fuck off Tony!

    (just helping yer creds 😉 )

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2016 10:46 am

    “Fuck off Tony!”

    Well done Tony. Although it is not hard to get the hating classes upset these days. They live their miserable lives in a permanent state of outrage these days. More proof that empty heads lead empty lives. Identity politics is a steaming pile of hate-ridden bigotry – the natural home of the dumb twisted leftist. Motherfuckers one and all!

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2016 11:16 am

    JOBS AND GROWTH THROUGH INNOVATION!

    More Talk Than Walk … Typical Economic Management from the LNP!

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/25/queensland-solar-projects-that-could-create-2600-jobs-at-risk-in-federal-cuts

    Just a Bunch of Buffoons …

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2016 11:19 am

    Although it is not hard to get the hating classes upset these days.

    LOL! The sole purpose of any tory comments these days … takes the heat of the slow stagnation by a lacklustre Liberal National Government …

    I noticed MALfunction turned up to waffle at the Olympics Teams … pity he never turns up when Diggers come home from fighting their fkn wars …

  126. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 11:29 am

    Although it is not hard to get the hating classes upset these days.

    Fuck off splattered arse (if you carnt take a joke that is ROFL)

  127. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 12:01 pm

    lol, morrison is hockeys leaner child

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2016 12:15 pm

    Scott Morrison says we have an earnings problem. Is that much different from the revenue problem that we didn’t have?

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2016 12:24 pm

    No room here for differences of opinion.

    Why is it that white australian males seem to have such a ‘difference of opinion’ from everyone else?

    When did anger and intolerance toward immigrants become merely a ‘difference of opinion’?

  130. Boaty McBoatpeopleface permalink
    August 25, 2016 12:37 pm

    (Nice.

    Dunno; is there a way to (in)distinguish between being (anti-)racist and being a(n anti-)racist?)

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2016 12:58 pm

    Just a Bunch of Buffoons …

    Well TB of Queensland. The buffoons did not lock up 8,469 children like you did. We are now spending $1B/year on all the people you locked up. You have yet to apologise.

  132. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 1:02 pm

    When did anger and intolerance toward immigrants become merely a ‘difference of opinion’?

    Yes, I don’t think many ‘angry white men’ understand that disagreement is not the same as intolerance.

    I laughed at this from Tony’s wiki link

    In Salter’s view, the current model of multiculturalism is flawed as it tends to be “asymmetrical” and exclude Australia’s historic Anglo-Celtic majority as a legitimate interest group

    Poor angry white men just can’t get a word in edge ways, can they?

    Which reminds me, what happened to the convicted racists paid gig at auntie speaking (again) about the problems (or not) of the indigenous?

  133. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 1:08 pm

    So, morriscum admits he lied to the electorate (no shit sherlock)

    We DO have a revenue problem (apparently, it’s Labors fault)

    “In other words, we have an earnings problem.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-levels-with-us-we-have-a-revenue-problem-after-all-20160825-gr0spp.html

    Can you imagine the problems they’d have if there was something like, say, a GFC? The mother of all ‘earnings problems’!

    As for the ‘taxed and taxed nots’, is this his first swipe at people hiding money in tax havens?

    Should malcayman be concerned?

  134. August 25, 2016 1:35 pm

    “When did anger and intolerance toward immigrants become merely a ‘difference of opinion’?”

    Or vice versa.

    In fact, the survey in question does not even mention anger in that context (that’s a term the SMH ‘journalist’ chose to use). It does mention intolerance, but conflates intolerance with ‘rejection of cultural diversity’:

    Page 48, Attitudes to Cultural Diversity.

    Level of intolerance

    The broad range of questions in the Scanlon Foundation surveys provides a number of perspectives for determining the level of intolerance in Australian society. The result obtained depends, in the first instance, on the question asked, in the second, on the
    interpretation of the results obtained.

    While there can be no definitive measure of the level of intolerance, on the basis of Scanlon Foundation polling and a number of additional surveys conducted over the last 30 years, there is support for the conclusion that the core level of intolerance is close to 10% of the
    population. Using a broader definition (incorporating both the strongest negative and next negative response), levels of intolerance and rejection of cultural diversity are probably in the range 25% to 30% of the population. On a heavily politicised issue such as asylum policy, strong negative sentiment alone can reach close to 30%.

  135. August 25, 2016 2:22 pm

    Deep in the bowels of ,,,an island of NBN at a Aged Care Facility,,, sits a room located behind the morgue that is the asis/asio interwebs splitter room, where all internet traffic is copied for `security` reasons, before hitting the under-pacific cable which emerges in southern california, where nsa/homeland do the same splitting and copying of everybody`s net-data.

    At first look, placing a sensitive `security` area among a small army of renown sticky-nosed old buggers does not seem believable, but the one place the old buggers won`t sticky-nose is the morgue. The asis/asio-techs that turn-up from time to time, are easily explained away as being there to `fix` the foxtel or `test` interweb connection. lt`s called hiding in plain sight.

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2016 2:33 pm

    Thanks for the explanation, tbagz …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Good to see Morrison has finally woken up* to the fact that if they want to buy more warplanes, submarines and bombs (even if they don’t fly, leak and fizzle – and cannot be refunded, repaired or replaced) they are going to need more money … just not from those Australians who have paid and now are stuck with the least income!

    Speaking of income and hiding it away … someone must have really pissed wally off this time … or he’s finally fallen of the swivel chair laughing his arse off …

    * why does it take the dopes so long?

  137. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 2:44 pm

  138. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 2:44 pm

  139. EXPANSion Pack permalink
    August 25, 2016 3:13 pm

    (…the one place the old buggers won`t sticky-nose is…

    Could be.)

  140. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 3:30 pm

    Awkward

    The federal police have been ordered to return the majority of the thousands of documents seized during a raid on the CFMEU’s Canberra headquarters in August.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/australian-federal-police-raid-of-cfmeu-canberra-headquarters-ruled-illegal-20151201-gld32v.html

  141. August 25, 2016 3:31 pm

    AO,,,,,Morrison says we have an earnings problem. Is that much different from the revenue problem that we didn`t have?,,,,,

    # ,, ha ha yes armchair, l saw this waffling on telly, trying to re-brand `revenue` to `earnings`, what a wanker ,, ,, unfortunately the clip ended with his waffling, l would have liked to see if teabag-media did any follow-up and call-out his bullshit re-branding (l`ll take the short-odd bet they didn`t)

    ,

    Thanks,,,,for the explanation, tbagz,,,,

    # ,, glad to clarify

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2016 3:59 pm

    Awkward

    Don’t let “you know who” know … he’s still struggling with the CFA fracas and its real interpretation … BOO!

  143. August 25, 2016 5:59 pm

    ln the fictional battle of difference between `this` team and `that` team, Ludlam just said on teh-drum `john-w was backed by the team when stepping on gays necks over marriage` and the `topic should have been done`n dusted in parliament instead of the expensive free-hate-speech plebiscite`.

    # ,, product differentiation is hard to find #yaaay.blib

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2016 6:01 pm

    From the Bernard Keane/ crikey link above

    “…We have consistently rejected Labor’s tax and spend approach,” Morrison insisted in his speech, which is a complete lie — spending is still well above the level of every Labor year but one, the 2009 GFC stimulus year, and taxation is well above any level reached under Labor. The Liberal Party is currently the party of tax-and-spend in Australia.

    This lie matters, because it’s not just about crass partisanship or hypocrisy, of which both sides are constantly guilty, but because it reflects a continuing incoherence from the Liberals about what their economic agenda actually is…”

  145. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2016 6:41 pm

    AO
    “We have consistently rejected Labor’s tax and spend approach,” Morrison insisted in his speech”

    doo
    “# ,, product differentiation is hard to find #yaaay.blib”

    Eyes wide shut lol

  146. August 25, 2016 6:45 pm

    When you listen to morrison`s speech, do you hear the term `taxed-nots` as the rich/corps signaling a `new` direction for the teabags????

    Or are the `taxed-nots` referring to the un/der/employed leaners and hear a reheating of the 2014-budget by the teabags??????

    # ,, me = reheating

  147. August 25, 2016 7:03 pm

    SPOKEN,,,,,,l will NOT be lectured to by THAT man! ,, ,, NO l will NOT,,,,,,,

    UNSPOKEN,,,,,,l will however be recruited by that man and his ideology to slash womens welfare AND NOT support gay-marriage ,, oh yes l will,,,,,,

    #yaaaaaaay.team

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2016 9:21 pm

    As I said earlier, tbagz, – “”they are going to need more money … just not from those Australians who have paid and now are stuck with the least income!”””

  149. Walrus permalink
    August 26, 2016 3:03 am

    TB Queensland PERMALINK
    August 22, 2016 7:08 pm

    “Has nobody shown him the trajectory coal has taken on the market in recent years?
    Wally’s obviously pissed off about that … and the rise of the free energy from renewables … either that or he’s on holidays … or building bamboo houses to ease his capitalist conscience …
    Surely villagers know how to build a home?”

    Of course villagers know how to build a house you fucking moron but it helps if a few westerners get together and sponsor decent timber on trucks and excavators to come to their areas to help.

      REB:

    Walrus I have heavily edited this post of yours due its heavily abusive nature – not just attacking TB but his wife. In light of this, I think you need to take a moment to reflect on your behaviour. It’s one thing to have a light hearted dig at each other occasionally, but what you just posted was unacceptable, no ifs or buts. I don’t like having to step in like this. So just have a think about it and choose your next comment wisely.

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2016 7:13 am

    Good morning walrus – 😅 I hope you’re well and fine, B/P OK now?

    ‘Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems‘ (
    http://theaimn.com/day-day-politics-explaining-neoliberalism/

    Armed police forcing women to strip off their clothing?

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2016 7:17 am

  152. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2016 7:47 am

    Does wally sound like an ‘alleged’ lefty to anyone else?

    Govt rejected an offer from Labor

    Well, oppositions are supposed to oppose, not govern, and Governments are supposed to reject, not …. oh, wait?

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2016 9:49 am

    It’s a topsy turvy world tomr!
    I don’t think the Libs left hand knows what the right hand is doing 🙂
    What a ride!

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 10:30 am

    So just have a think about it and choose your next comment wisely.

    And I apologise if any of my recent comments have caused resentment or harm …

    (We rarely see Kamahl but glad to see he’s alive and well)

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 10:36 am

    These are the type of comments that concern me …

    Mr Morrison cited the need to rein in spending, highlighting welfare and health services as areas where more sustainable measures could be introduced.

    He warned against being cynical of such economic challenges, saying “I do not want my kids to know what a recession is like”.

    Nothing has changed since 2014 … its always been an Abbottbull government … with Hockyson in charge of the fiscal purse … astounding … nothing learned, nothing gained, nothing rhymed …

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2016 10:44 am

    So there’s no room for greater efficiency in health and welfare?

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:09 am

    So there’s no room for greater efficiency in health and welfare?

    Not until Hockyson starts talking about the rest of inequitable and inefficient income and expenditure issues in this country …

    Would you like me to list a few?

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:13 am

    Lefties always want more tax rather than examining inefficient expenditure.

    I’m not inclined to keep coughing up to prop up government inefficiency

    The advocates of that are mainly people that are on the receiving end of government largesse

  159. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:20 am

    So there’s no room for greater efficiency in health and welfare?

    Wasn’t the same argument made about the ABS?

    It’s time to move past this vacuous ‘waste’ argument. Services have been slashed for years, time to look to the other part of the pie.

    The advocates of that are mainly people that are on the receiving end of government largesse

    You mean like millionaire retirees, overseas business’s, cayman island investors, fossil fuel companies, politicians.

    Those ‘people’?

  160. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:22 am

  161. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:24 am

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:26 am

    Yeah!! Of course there is no room at all for public sector efficiency!!

    Twice as many public sector workers than mining workers were hired in Australia’s 10-year resources boom, enlarging the bureaucracy and inflating public spending.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/public-service-is-australias-hidden-jobs-boom-20140429-37ggo.html

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:29 am

    I’m not inclined to keep coughing up to prop up government inefficiency

    So start fighting against the government inefficiencies that support rich people … rather than those in need …

    Shall I list a few?

    I know about them ’cause I’ve been paying a lot longer than you … including (if you have one) for your degree … schooling, health and support …

    If I’d known how many of your generation would turn out to be so self centred, mean and selfish … I would have withheld payment. Still I was happy to pay for people who couldn’t find work, studied hard and used the knowledge wisely and to support those people who had supported my generation to develop and prosper – including fighting a war …

    I guess its all in the way you look at it … you probably think a CEO earning $9,000,000 a year is quite acceptable … and a PM who squirrels away his capital in the Cayman’s …

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:34 am

    I think a public servant earing $1,000,000 is unacceptable

    The growth of bureaucratic overheads in a range of public sector organisations is a scandal.

    But you’re welcome to barrack for inefficiency

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:37 am

    Yeah!! Of course there is no room at all for public sector efficiency!!

    No-one said that … you did … most businesses can be run more efficiently – but that does not necessarily make them more effective … an improved productive outcome requires BOTH.

    … and services do need to be run – by people – who earn money – and spend in the economy and pay taxes and raise children – who go to work and earn money and —- ad infinitum … multiplier effect?

    But you know all this, I recall you telling us you have a degree in economics …

  166. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:38 am

    lols@yomm

    Whetton reckons the government could axe 5 per cent

    He ‘reckons’ does he.

    We are still in the midst of the massive stuff up called the 2016 Census, and idiots are still running this ‘bloated’ Public Service line.

    “It’s just a flesh wound!”

    Labor were running efficiency dividends for years running up to this article. Services were crying out even then that they could barely keep afloat.

    And then yabot came along and cut them off at the knees, resulting in an ABS that couldn’t run a Census, or even tell us the unemployment rate with any confidence.

    And the Black Knight continues to play the ‘waste’ card, cos someone ‘reckons’ something cos it happened before. Ignoring what Labor did in it’s recent years.

    The facts speak more than ‘reckons’ yomm. You cut the Public Service, you end up with no service.

    Which, of course, IS the end game for you and your ilk.

    At least be honest about it.

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:40 am

    I think a public servant earing $1,000,000 is unacceptable

    So do I! You really don’t absorb the content of other people’s comments, do you?

    And a $9 million pa salary for a CEO? (Neatly side-stepped I see)

  168. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2016 11:40 am

    I recall you telling us you have a degree in economics …

    I think he meant ‘hockeynomics’ TB

    As the Worlds Best Treasurer once said, it’s more of an art than a science, and yomms seems to an economic impressionist 😉

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2016 12:15 pm

    Unions exercising their democratic rights:

    “Protesting miners have beaten Bolivia’s deputy interior minister to death, local media is reporting. “

    Won’t be long before the CFMEU/Bikie cartel takes a leaf out of their comrades’ playbook. It is only a small step for them.

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2016 12:19 pm

    I think a public servant earing $1,000,000 is unacceptable

    There is a case for saying nobody in the PS should earn more then the PM which i believe is about $500K/year. They also get 15% Super. If you cannot survive on $500K/year well then too bad. But then people will say you will not attract the highest quality people. Well good, they could not do much worse with a new bunch of people who would like a $500K/year salary.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 2:14 pm

    I see someone intelligent has got hold of neel’s email address …

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 3:10 pm

    Won’t be long before the CFMEU/Bikie cartel takes a leaf out of their comrades’ playbook. It is only a small step for them.

    You are so, so, right, sb , … the bank CEO’s are now asking for a Harley Davidson in their remuneration package too … !

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2016 3:54 pm

    It seems that there is an epidemic sweeping the country although it has never afflicted me:

    Toilet Anxiety Is Real And It Is Affecting Australians

  174. August 26, 2016 4:56 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 5:12 pm

    You do read (and write) some shit, sb …

  176. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2016 5:13 pm

    Toilet Anxiety Is Real And It Is Affecting Australians

    Is THAT why he’s not posting much anymore?

    The advocates of that are mainly people that are on the receiving end of government largesse

    Sorry reb, I forgot about Hillsong (and religious indoctrination centres schools)

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 5:20 pm

    Wolf Cocklin must be one of those air headed lefty, commo, muslim loving CFMEU pricks!

    ++++++++++++++++++

    experiment – no caps typed …

    Christian … islam … muslim … Baptist … Methodist … Buddhist … hindu … jew … israeli … catholic … bible … torah … koran … Catlik* …

  178. August 26, 2016 6:18 pm

    new-daily,,,,,,,,Aldi has forced the big two into an unhappy cycle of endless discounting and range-cutting that has not been enough to stop them leaking market share. It leaves Coles and Woolies under siege on both fronts, lower margins and lower sales growth,,,,,,,,

    https://t.co/DhlMeXP5DG

    # ,, thanks armchair, l alway enjoy an aldi slaying the retail-duopoly yarn (-:

  179. August 26, 2016 6:28 pm

    “Walrus I have heavily edited this post of yours due its heavily abusive nature”

    That’s a shame, he probably made some good points..

    As an aside, I distinctly remember this blog’s (reb’s) first post. It was defiantly pro-profanity. “Is Joe Hockey just a fat cunt?”, or words to that effect.

    Oh well. It’s reb’s blog. There haven’t been that many banning,s either: only Nasking, Scaper, El gordo and Iain Hall that I can think of.

  180. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2016 6:31 pm

    That’s a shame, he probably made some good points..

    Fuck Off Tony!

    (still just helpin’ out ya creds 😉 )

  181. August 26, 2016 6:39 pm

    “(still just helpin’ out ya creds😉 )”

    Thanks, Tom R. 🙄

    I meant to say: Go fuck yourself!

  182. August 26, 2016 6:41 pm

    “”As an aside, I distinctly remember this blog’s (reb’s) first post. It was defiantly pro-profanity. “Is Joe Hockey just a fat cunt?”, or words to that effect.””

    Yes it was, and I’m ok with that. But the post I edited was just vile, disgusting and highly personal, attacking not just one of our posters but his family.

    If the only reason someone shows up here is to just hurl insults then their blogging experience will be short-lived.

    And before I’m accused of being biased, I wouldn’t allow the same things to have been said about you and your family.

  183. August 26, 2016 6:55 pm

    Like I said, it’s your blog.

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 7:12 pm

    That’s a shame, he probably made some good points..

    Wasn’t it not long ago that you accused meof being nasty …

    Take a long look at some of your comments aimed at me over the years …

    And we usually see you when you want to snipe or show off …

    But you will never find a comment where I have called you a c**t … as I was recently …

  185. August 26, 2016 7:15 pm

    You can go fuck yourself, too..

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 7:17 pm

    I have no idea what you are talking about … perhaps you can give me instructions based upon your wide personal experience … ~(8-D)

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 7:19 pm

    Abbotturn is still busy I see …

    Abbott said voters should not be anxious about the direction of some federal policies because he was sure the Turnbull government would make the right choices.

    “I’m sure the government will resist pressure to increase the renewable energy target,” he said.

    “I’m sure the government will strongly support the coal industry which will provide baseload power here and abroad for decades to come – and continue to employ tens of thousands of Australians.”

    “I’m sure it will work hard on the Queensland government to ensure that green sabotage and lawfare doesn’t stop the Adani mine.

    “I’m sure it will encourage the South Australian government to develop the nuclear industry that could be a subsidy-free money spinner for that state,” he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/26/tony-abbott-urges-turnbull-to-pursue-reform-to-counter-populist-politics

    Back to the Future … LOL!

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2016 7:19 pm

    …There is a case for saying nobody in the PS should earn more then the PM which i believe is about $500K/year…

    I think there is a case for nobody in the country earning more than the PM!

  189. August 26, 2016 7:21 pm

    How about this. Get fucked TB Queensland.

    You are a nasty piece of work. I have no respect for you whatsoever. You are a self-centered bigot of the first order. And how dare you play the victim in this!

    Do you understand that?

  190. August 26, 2016 7:24 pm

    And people wonder why some people don’t bother to comment here anymore..

  191. Beam`Me`Up`Teabag permalink
    August 26, 2016 7:59 pm

    l see tinfoil`osy is putting-up the tinfoil-hat argument again

    ,

    new-daily,,,,,,,,Aldi has forced the big two into an unhappy cycle of endless discounting and range-cutting that has not been enough to stop them leaking market share. It leaves Coles and Woolies under siege on both fronts, lower margins and lower sales growth,,,,,,,,

    https://t.co/DhlMeXP5DG

    # ,, thanks armchair, l alway enjoy an aldi slaying the retail-duopoly yarn (-:

  192. August 26, 2016 8:12 pm

    “”Like I said, it’s your blog.””

    Well that’s not really true is it.

    I can post a topic for conversation, but “the blog” as it were, is largely formed by the people who choose to comment here.

    The conversations that follow are really the essence of the blog, very little of it has to do with the fact that it is “my blog” as you attest.

    Sure, at the end of the day I can decide who comments here and who doesn’t, an authority that I’ve only (reluctantly) had to exercise on a few occasions due to a couple of individuals who either wanted to derail threads with their own pet agendas or were overly abusive to other ppl here.

    But the real essence of the blog is made up by the people who comment here and the statements they make about topics and about each other.

  193. Beam`Me`Up`Teabag permalink
    August 26, 2016 8:17 pm

    l see tinfoil`osy is running tinfoil-hat arguments again.

    ,

    new-daily,,,,,,,,Aldi has forced the big two into an unhappy cycle of endless discounting and range-cutting that has not been enough to stop them leaking market share. It leaves Coles and Woolies under siege on both fronts, lower margins and lower sales growth,,,,,,,,

    https://t.co/DhlMeXP5DG

    # ,, thanks armchair, l alway enjoy an aldi slaying the retail-duopoly yarn (-:

  194. Toot Toot Tinfoil permalink
    August 26, 2016 8:28 pm

    ls the spam trap choking on any `teabags` or `pixars`, or did l stuff my computer again.

    ,

    Tinfoil hat arguments by tinfoil`osy again.

  195. August 26, 2016 8:43 pm

    Sorry those comments been released now…

  196. August 26, 2016 9:11 pm

    Actually I’m pretty much fkn over it when it comes to even defending “common sense and decency” on this blog.

    If ppl don’t like other ppl on this blog then why don’t you just fuck off somewhere else.

    It really is that simple.

  197. August 26, 2016 9:21 pm

    “If ppl don’t like other ppl on this blog then why don’t you just fuck off somewhere else.”

    If ‘ppl liking other ppl’ was the point of this blog, then maybe you should have specified it from the outset. That certainly wasn’t the ‘vibe’ I got.

  198. August 26, 2016 9:36 pm

    Well what exactly do you want ToSY?

  199. August 26, 2016 9:37 pm

    I mean seriously, I really am quite over all this shit. And really wonder why I bother anymore…

  200. August 26, 2016 9:43 pm

    “Well what exactly do you want ToSY?”

    I want robust discussion between intelligent people who hold diverse opinions.

    I’d prefer it didn’t get personal, but when it does those same people should expect to get as good as they give,

    That is all.

  201. August 26, 2016 9:44 pm

    But if you don’t want to bother any more, I get that too.

    It’s been good while it lasted,

  202. August 26, 2016 9:50 pm

    “I’d prefer it didn’t get personal,”

    Yet you defend those who do get personal?

    You’re a fkn hypocrite mate.

    Like most LNP apologists.

    And no you won’t get rid of me that easily.

  203. August 26, 2016 9:53 pm

    “You’re a fkn hypocrite mate.”

    Whatevs, “mate”.

  204. August 26, 2016 9:55 pm

    You defend TB Queensland who is the biggest bigoted, hypocritical, personally abusive commenter on this blog. And you claim you’re not biased?

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2016 10:10 pm

    Well… that’s all very interesting… I quite like it here. And if there are to be nominations for bsnnings, I msy have one

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2016 10:11 pm

    Or even bannings…

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 10:17 pm

    TB Queensland who is the biggest bigoted, hypocritical, personally abusive commenter on this blog.

    Do you have evidence of that opinion?

    Defend? I don’t think so … shall I reply some of the comments at me from the rat pack a couple of weeks ago? sreb, did nothing … nor did I BTW …

    You only feel that way ’cause I don’t like organised religions … I like art tho’ … 🙂

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2016 10:19 pm

    “reply” should be replay …

    ToM, no one is being banned … as far as I know …

    And like you I quite like it here too …

    Something about a hot kitchen springs to mind …

    I do think it has become very personal over the last year tho’ …

  209. Toot Toot Furniture permalink
    August 27, 2016 12:06 am

    in Australia,,,,,,,and German cut-price multinational Lidl is the latest to sense an opportunity.

    The supermarket chain is due to arrive in Australia soon with a range of own-brand products that is deliberately kept to about 1500 items. Australian shoppers can expect to pay less wherever they shop as competition rises.

    If the UK experience is any guide, here`s what Australian shoppers can expect,,,,,,,,

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/your-budget/2015/06/15/australians-excited-lidl/

    To,,,,,,,,shake off a perception they cut quality to deliver lower prices, Lidl stocked a good range of wine and whisky. They stock champagne from Champagne, France for $20. The last word on whisky, Jim Murray, handed the Lidl brand Glen Orchy five year-old whisky a mark of 88.5 out of 100. Over Christmas the brand traditionally broadcasts its aspirations by selling lobster and Spanish Serrano ham cheaply. It famously wowed shoppers by offering caviar for less than two pounds. Australians should be secretly licking their lips at the chance to buy $16 packets of reindeer steaks,,,,,,,,

    # ,, l look forward to these dudes turning-up too

  210. Toot Toot Brother Tinfoil permalink
    August 27, 2016 12:35 am

    defend,,,,TB Queensland who is the biggest bigoted, hypocritical,,,,

    # ,, provided you `omit` the pedo-defenders, that coincidently, are the loudest`n most hateful moosie bashers

    ,

    I want,,,,robust discussion between intelligent people who hold diverse opinions,,,,

    # ,, then try starting with ya`self, merely regurgitating blot, `denial`, and other teabag-talk points is neither a `thoughtful-opinion` nor intelligent, it is just blog-spam

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 7:38 am

    Words … words … and nothing but words …

    Australia is not a secular country—it is a free country. This is a nation where you have the freedom to follow any belief system you choose. Secularism is just one. It has no greater claim than any other on our society. As US Senator Joe Lieberman said, the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not from religion. I believe the same is true in this country.

    So what values do I derive from my faith? My answer comes from Jeremiah, chapter 9:24:

    … I am the Lord who exercises loving-kindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things, declares the Lord.

    From my faith I derive the values of loving-kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfil their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way, including diminishing their personal responsibility for their own wellbeing; and to do what is right, to respect the rule of law, the sanctity of human life and the moral integrity of marriage and the family. We must recognise an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil. Desmond Tutu put it this way:

    … we expect Christians … to be those who stand up for the truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, then Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses.

    These are my principles.

    Principles are nothing unless acted upon … actions will always speak louder than words …

    I’ll let you figure out who said the words above …

    oh … and Australia IS a secular country …

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2016 10:06 am

    Personally, I quite like everyone here and enjoy their company, with only one exception.

  213. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2016 11:41 am

    I think there is a case for nobody in the country earning more than the PM!

    The case is stronger for govt workers since most do not generate any revenue. I notice their very generous Super Scheme has been replaced by the not so generous 15.4% accumulation scheme. It is still much better than most of the country who are on 9%.

    Fact is govt workers do not care about efficiency as much as people in the private sector because they do not need to. It used to be the case that govt workers got a lower paid job for increased job security compared to the private sector. Now they are getting both- good salaries and job security.

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2016 12:38 pm

    By the way, I think the burqa is a symbol of oppression of women.

  215. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2016 1:45 pm

    with only one exception.

    Don’t be too hard on yerself yomm, I’m sure you have some redeeming quality

    I think the burqa is a symbol of oppression of women.

    And the French cops actually oppressing that woman on the beach makes it OK?

  216. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2016 1:51 pm

    I meant to say: Go fuck yourself!

    Thanks Tony, but with the likes of splatteredarse and wally, it really is unnecessary.

    I get plenty of creds just from them two alone.

    But I do appreciate the effort 🙂

  217. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2016 1:55 pm

    WOOHOOO, faster (oops) sooner (oops) cheaper (OOPS!)

    And now, even slower. At this rate, we’ll be back to dial up speeds before he years out. Now that’s agile!

    More Australians to get slower NBN connections after company ditches some cable upgrades

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/more-australians-to-get-slower-nbn-connections-after-company-ditches-some-cable-upgrades/news-story/6448d5406f36e4d9dc9d9e0c87a7a0be

    yea malcayman, no wonder you want to root out any whistle blowers.

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2016 2:29 pm

    And now, even slower. At this rate, we’ll be back to dial up speeds before he years out. Now that’s agile!

    Did you read you own link? These are cable upgrades. These people already have cable. HFC i believe. They came to the conclusion that upgrading the cables was too expensive so they changed their minds. They still have cable.

    Sometimes i wish you lefties would just go away and die. FTTP would send the country bankrupt.

    I do not like Turnbull but FTTN was a good idea. I do not want to pay $500/month for internet.

  219. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2016 3:46 pm

    Sometimes i wish you lefties would just go away and die.

    Is this the part where I get all hurt? Or simply accuse you of behaving as an ‘alleged’ lefty?

    splatteredass will be upset.

  220. August 27, 2016 4:34 pm

    “”Sometimes i wish you lefties would just go away and die.””

    Charming. Is the same widdle Neil who came crying here coz he got his feelings hurt the other day at another blog…?

    It’s the same old tory story, they like to dish out hatred towards others but get all sooky and uppity when they cop some flak in return..

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2016 4:44 pm

    Charming. Is the same widdle Neil who came crying here coz he got his feelings hurt the other day at another blog…?

    Well i also got banned from posting which annoyed me more.

    But TomR really annoys me. He cannot change from ALP central propaganda. He did not even read the link he posted.

    There was some talk about upgrading HFC cables in his link. These are pay TV cables NBNCo purchased rather than duplicating cables into peoples home for internet access. It was too expensive to upgrade so they did not.

    If you people want to pay $500/month for internet pay for it yourselves.

    More Australians to get slower NBN connections after company ditches some cable upgrades

  222. August 27, 2016 4:47 pm

    the,,,Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not from religion,,,

    # ,, that`s quite a sad`n sorry interpretation and `selling-point` from the the senator isn`t it

    # ,, really, if there is no freedom `from`, then there is no freedom `of`

  223. August 27, 2016 4:50 pm

    “”He cannot change from ALP central propaganda. “”

    #Ironyalert

  224. August 27, 2016 4:57 pm

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  225. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2016 5:08 pm

    Did nil read the link?

    Did nil understand the link?

    Does nil know what “upgrade” means

  226. August 27, 2016 5:09 pm

    “It’s the same old tory story, they like to dish out hatred towards others but get all sooky and uppity when they cop some flak in return..”

    Guffaw. >a href=”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection”>Projection, much?

  227. August 27, 2016 5:13 pm

    Once we stop the lies about what won’t work, we need to target things that might work. We need to target the expensive loopholes that create no jobs and lots of inequality. We need to target infrastructure spending where Australia needs it most, not where the National Party want it most. And we need to target the creation of growth in the industries and regions that need it, not simply hope that a rising tide caused by a leaky tax system will lift all boats.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/target-the-havenots-liberals-up-to-the-same-old-tricks-20160826-gr1scu.html

  228. August 27, 2016 5:26 pm

    “Guffaw”

  229. August 27, 2016 5:44 pm

    Richard Denniss is the chief economist for The Australia Institute,,,,History and international experience tells us that economic benefits do not `trickle-down` to the people that need them,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/target-the-havenots-liberals-up-to-the-same-old-tricks-20160826-gr1scu.html

    # ,, one thing denniss missed was how both `teams` are getting donations from expensive `outsourced` contractors to operate gulags and sell dud courses to un/der/employed costing treasury mountains of cash

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:05 pm

    Now that’s agile!

    I think you meant … Now that’s INNOVATIVE!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There was some talk about upgrading HFC cables in his link. These are pay TV cables NBNCo purchased rather than duplicating cables into peoples home for internet access. It was too expensive to upgrade so they did not.

    If you people want to pay $500/month for internet pay for it yourselves.

    neel,

    You really do not have a clue about the subject of ADSL – ADSL2 – Cable – HFC – Fibre Optic – Wi-Fi or Satellite and Fuckwits like you follow/support trying to cobble together a 21st Century shitbox of a communications system … that is setting this country back more than a decade in business, commercial, education, health, military, training, entertainment (unless you reside in the Sandgate Masonic Aged Care Facility) and government services (ToM note – better NBN less PS!)

    The ignorance of Tories in Australia constantly astounds me … born to rule with no knowledge of how … (to do SFA themselves)

    … so rather than “die” (what a disgusting thing to say to anyone under any circumstances)AL research, STFU!, do some TECHNICAL RESEARCH on the subject, ignore the LNP PROPOGANDA, keep quiet on the subject, or, just piss off altogether and comment on Bolt’s Blog … you only comment here ’cause other blogs think you’re a wanker … (that probably includes Andy Bolt)

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:08 pm

    Trump’s doctor looks like the guy who prescribes you weed without even hearing your fake excuse.

    Or made up the Colonel’s 11 Herbs and Spices recipe FFS!!

    WTF have I been eating all these years!?!

  232. August 27, 2016 6:09 pm

    “just piss off altogether and comment on Bolt’s Blog”

    Here’s an idea, why don’t you ask your protector reb to ban all the “tories”. Then you can all bask in your intolerant lefty ignorance. Trouble is, you’ll have nobody to aim your spittle-flecked bile at.

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:21 pm

    Guffaw

    Guffaw alright … it’s something that Tories, like the pollies and the one’s here do all the time … transfer their thoughts to others … politically – on the opposite side …

    Remember what you said last night? I’ll replay if you can’t …

    And here’s the difference, ToSY … I’ve been saying it for years! You’ve just discovered it!

    But you’re NICE and I’m NASTY????????? Duh!

    Now do you understand why I don’t SNIPE – I attempt to explain my position and decision and why? Based on my knowledge, life/work experience and education … not to be attacked personally because there is no obvious alternative …

    Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

    But … ToSY … you post your art and then take swipes at our comments … we’d like to hear your opinions and why …

  234. August 27, 2016 6:26 pm

    “Now do you understand why I don’t SNIPE”

    You cannot be serious.

    Actually, I’m surprised one of you feeble leftoids haven’t accused Neil of issuing death threats.

  235. August 27, 2016 6:30 pm

    to,,,,ban all the `tories`,,,,

    # ,, oh brother tinfoil, where art thou, how can `our` pinkists ever find out the latest teabag-waffle from blot without `our` teabags telling them, who would tell them when to be frightened of moosies, who would tell them the benefits of nodes`n copper in a fiber-network, who would tell them that 16-jets shot-down are not enough for airlines to change their flight-path, the pinkists would never be able to find these nuggets of data without `our`teabags, amen

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:34 pm

    “just piss off altogether and comment on Bolt’s Blog”

    Here’s an idea, why don’t you ask your protector reb to ban all the “tories”. Then you can all bask in your intolerant lefty ignorance. Trouble is, you’ll have nobody to aim your spittle-flecked bile at.

    I just read this comment …

    I have NEVER WANTED to ban anyone! That IS the decision of the Blogmeister of ANY blog … (ask neel)

    sreb, is far from my protector … I’m just another commenter … and I like discussing issues with RWNJ … I actually boast about this blog because we have a middle, left, right mix that changes my thinking (occasionally) … and get in the shyte with my family – “aw, not the blog again!”

    I note, ToSY, that you don’t criticise, neel, for his Sometimes i wish you lefties would just go away and die.

    If you can find any comment that I have made to tell anyone to “go and die” … I’ll exit now!

    That is an awful comment … as are a few aimed at me recently …

    Psychological projection isn’t just a theory … you are enacting it right now!

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:35 pm

    spittle-flecked bile

    So… you say spittle-flecked bile like it’s a bad thing.

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:37 pm

    Actually, I’m surprised one of you feeble leftoids haven’t accused Neil of issuing death threats.

    HE did …. and I just DID!

    You feeble minded Fuckwit!

    Are you ready for a brawl … ’cause your heading there … just what do you want?

    Me to fuck off literally I suppose?

  239. August 27, 2016 6:39 pm

    “Are you ready for a brawl … ’cause your heading there … just what do you want?”

    Ooh, tough guy. Give it your best shot.

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:39 pm

    So… you say spittle-flecked bile like it’s a bad thing.</i.
    \
    You don't see an ageist insult when you see one, ToM … I'm even more perplexed! (I thought better of you – unless that comment was sarc*

    Or "here we go again" …

  241. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:42 pm

    I’d love to get fucked, but she keeps saying no 😦

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:42 pm

    Ooh, tough guy. Give it your best shot.

    You still don’t get it, ToSY, I don’t want to fight with you … or anyone here … you’re the antagonist … and because of my “life experience” I will not be shat on – by you or anyone!

    enuf!

  243. August 27, 2016 6:44 pm

    by,,,,denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others,,,,

    # ,, l wonder if there is a `specific-group` that constantly and habitually engages in doing this TB????

    # ,, Nope. Sorry. Nothing springs to mind at the moment (-:

  244. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:48 pm

    From the smh

    “Despite the fact that it was the Coalition that was happy to see the car industry leave, the Coalition is proposing to cut the meagre unemployment benefit of $263.80 per week that the displaced manufacturing workers will receive by $4.40 per week. That should create a few jobs for them”

    Remove their jobs, then remove their safety net, nice one guys

  245. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:49 pm

    You really do not have a clue about the subject of ADSL – ADSL2 – Cable – HFC – Fibre Optic – Wi-Fi or Satellite

    OK but i am willing to learn. Did you read TomR’s link? What was his point? The article was about people who already have cable. In what seems like a good idea Turnbull got NBNCo to purchase HFC cables from Telstra from people who have pay TV i guess rather than put in another cable for internet. Use what already has been built

    This from TomRs link

    The HFC connection upgrades, trialled and turned on in Redcliffe in June, promise wholesale internet download speeds of up to 100 megabits per second, and uploads up to 40mbps, with a future upgrade to lift download speeds up to one gigabit per second.

    But the company had expected the upgrades to cost $1800 per property rather than $2300 it actually cost.

    I say if these people want/need the upgrade let them pay for it themselves.

  246. August 27, 2016 6:51 pm

    “You still don’t get it, ToSY, I don’t want to fight with you … or anyone here”

    No you prefer one-sided invective, where you give it out but can’t take it when someone gives it back. Well I’ve had enough of biting my tongue, and I’m goind tol call you out every time you issue a hateful comment.. And if reb doesn’t like it, he can ban me.

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:57 pm

    “””””””””Well I’ve had enough of biting my tongue, and I’m goind tol call you out every time you issue a hateful comment.. And if reb doesn’t like it, he can ban me.”””””””

    Please define a hateful comment is commie c**t a hateful comment or acceptable from a tory c**t …

    Just establishin’ the ROE’s …

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 6:59 pm

    I say if these people want/need the upgrade let them pay for it themselves.

    They are you Dickhead (aw fuck here come ToSY) !

  249. August 27, 2016 7:02 pm

    “Just establishin’ the ROE’s …”

    It’ll be quite easy for me. Just about everything you say contains some form of personal abuse. Unless it’s directed at someone on your ‘team’,.

  250. August 27, 2016 7:09 pm

    Hey armchair, the frogs are getting all uptight`n stoopid over the `beach-berka`, which coincidently, according to sbs/france24, the sarcozy-teabag is trying to come back as prez, which of course is totally unrelated (-:

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 27, 2016 7:57 pm

    By the way, I think the burqa is a symbol of oppression of women.

    I think women should wear whatever they want.

    I think men should stop telling women what to wear and what not to wear. Just stop it.

    I commend France’s aspiration to be a secular country. I much prefer freedom from religion and freedom from funding religion than freedom of religion, that’s just an excuse for allowing taxpayers to be fleeced. The secular state has no business including religion anywhere in it’s services. Religion can exist, but on it’s own dime and on the efforts of it’s followers.

    France has got it wrong on this though.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2015/jul/20/france-feminism-hijab-ban-muslim-women

    I quite like this blog and the comraderie we have developed over the years. I too don’t know why anyone needs to get personally abusive either. Surely we are capable of making decent arguments without getting personal and nasty and disparaging of others.

    I understand tony’s ‘free speech’ argument and his need to defend it, but as bernard keane says, people pick and choose that based on ideology too. I much prefer that all people live comfortably without having hate speech directed at them for something they have no control over [skin colour, race, gender, sexuality etc]. I don’t agree that human rights are just ‘differences of opinion’ opinion is what 18D is for, not 18C.

    Free speech? It’s getting savaged, and the 18C crowd are silent
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/08/26/free-speech-its-getting-savaged-and-the-white-men-are-silent/

    …This week brought an egregious attack on free speech as the AFP entered Parliament House to pursue a whistleblower. Where were the 18C crowd who claim free speech is so important?…

    …There’s been little outrage from the media about this, despite the targeting of journalists — though as the government’s “special intelligence operation” amendments in 2014 and the mass surveillance law demonstrate, the mainstream media, especially Fairfax and News Corp, are slow to speak out in defence of their own rights — if they ever do.

    Also silent have been the 18C crowd. Andrew Bolt did speak out back during the election campaign about the raid on Labor, wondering why people shouldn’t know about the NBN debacle, although he didn’t mention the matter this week. But beyond Bernardi, nothing — not from IPA Senator James Paterson, or from David “angry white male” Leyonhjelm, or Malcolm Roberts, the diminutive foe of “international bankers”, or from the opinion pages of The Australian, which has been campaigning enthusiastically on 18C. Perhaps the latter would have been stirred to its usual “old man yells at cloud” level of high dudgeon if it had been Coalition senators and their staff being pursued by the AFP instead.

    Maybe it says something about the priorities of the 18Cers that they’re more angry about a nebulous and ineffectual restraint on their right to demonise minorities than a very real and practical demonstration of free speech being undermined by a government war against whistleblowers and journalists — and the politicians who support them.

    The message being sent to potential whistleblowers by the AFP investigation is, deliberately, chilling: there’s no safe place for you to go — politician or journalist, neither can protect you, and they’ll go after their digital records to try to identify you…

    Former IPA head: radicals ‘hijacked’ think tank
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2016/08/27/former-ipa-head-radicals-hijacked-think-tank/14722200003666

    …Across the broad right of politics, Denniss says, there are people who “relish participating in culture wars, who see their role as picking fights with progressives rather than delivering outcomes for society”.

    Damien Cahill notes that neoliberal policies have “never been popular with the voters”.

    Far better for those who push such policies that people focus on “other ostensible manifestations of chaos, disorder and breakdown, such as asylum seekers”.

    He notes Trump and Brexit, and says that the right of politics has shown itself “inclined to turn to racist discourse in order to solidify their electoral base”.

    He does not suggest this ugly new politics has been deliberately fostered by groups such as the IPA, only that it provides them convenient cover…

    Rundle: SDA has betrayed workers, union movement, Australia
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/08/26/sdas-coles-deal-betrays-retail-workers-guy-rundle-crikey/

    …Arising from a codded-up royal commission aimed at nobbling the CFMEU, it has hit the unions the Abbott government least wanted to damage. The CFMEU was barely ruffled by it, and the ABCC revival is set to fail. The major right-wing unions have been revealed as so closely bound in with corporate Australia as to be part of it. The latest revelations as to exactly how much they were sold out puts the cap on it — for years such unions have treated their members with a steadily growing contempt.

    The reasons are obvious: a two-tier process whereby the whole of the union leadership comes from the elite from which the Labor elite are drawn; the weakening of any notion of a working-class movement in favour of a “managed” society, in which capital and labour are merely two of many inputs; the transformation of unions by the rise of compulsory super funds; the escalating arms race of internal factional wars, and the need for funds to fight them; the self-selecting process whereby a Labor Party that has ceased to be a fighting outfit becomes a place in which those with an apparatchik personality rise to the top; and finally, a sort of organic contempt that develops among such elites for the people they represent…

    We should be promoting freedom of belief, not religious freedom
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/harris-freedom-of-belief,-not-religious-freedom/6875620

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 27, 2016 8:27 pm

    I’d love to get fucked, but she keeps saying no

    The timing isn’t right, maybe tomorrow 😉

  253. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2016 9:05 pm

    I think women should wear whatever they want.

    Me too, but I think the burqa represents oppression, subjugation of women by men.

  254. August 27, 2016 9:07 pm

    organic,,,,contempt that develops among such elites for the people they represent,,,,

    # ,, while l don`t disagree with most of their posts armchair, l do notice they don`t quite join all the evidence together either

    # ,, both teams are treating the voters with `contempt` as far as l`m concerned, l also don`t see a team `red` and a team `blue` either, but a `team-purple` that works against the rest of us, with the same `team-owners`

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-21/china-australia-political-donations/7766654

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 9:13 pm

    It’ll be quite easy for me. Just about everything you say contains some form of personal abuse. Unless it’s directed at someone on your ‘team’,.

    OK … that’s reciprocal then? Anything “your team” throws at me I can throw at you …

    Happy with that …

    38th Parallel thinking … I get that … nothing is new … nothing has changed …

    Your one-eyed thinking will eventually send you quite mad … did I break our protocol saying that? Just trying to establish your rules … in a nice way … 🙂

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2016 9:18 pm

    I understand tony’s ‘free speech’ argument and his need to defend it

    But he doesn’t want to “defend” mine he wants to curb it, KL … control and conquer? GMAB

    My “personal attacks” as ToSY calls them are usually a reaction … not an initiation …

    When people have no real argument they play the person not the issue …

  257. Walrus permalink
    August 27, 2016 9:27 pm

    Ok reb

    Fair enough

    But I’m not going to allow some jerk from Qld to just suddenly and it was suddenly simply just gratuitly attack something I do with others out of the blue.

    That jerk can criticise religious organisations all he wants but many people do get together and ship QUALITY TIMBER into that area. As YOU should realise bamboo is cheap but not timber AND excavators

    I did nothing to provoke that attack . He was out of line. That prick is a jerk who is bored with his life.

    He is has been to Vietnam on a holiday yet constantly addresses us condescendingly because he is a Nasho

    So what I served in the School cadets

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2016 9:35 pm

    Quite a lot of spittle-flecked bile about (and I don’t think that’s ageist)

  259. August 27, 2016 9:51 pm

    “you post your art and then take swipes at our comments”

    Indeed. Happy to take compliments… But then…

  260. August 27, 2016 10:00 pm

    To me a `jerk` is somebody that continually and stridently advocates poverty and associated hardships at home, then seeks `kudos` for minor off-shore quality timber donations, but that`s just me l suppose.

  261. Walrus permalink
    August 27, 2016 10:02 pm

    ” personal, attacking not just one of our posters but his family.”

    “His family” ??????????

    Since when is a suggestion of him needing ” close personalcare ” by his wife an “attack” ?

    Yet you allow him to just go untethered

    I’m quite happy to be locked from this blog if you feel so 18c about stuff

    I’d hate to see anyone offended around here

  262. Walrus permalink
    August 27, 2016 10:05 pm

    “To me a `jerk` is somebody that continually and stridently advocates poverty and associated hardships at home, then seeks `kudos` for minor off-shore quality timber donations, but that`s just me l suppose.”

    Yes it is you

    Only because you have done fuck all JERK

  263. August 27, 2016 10:06 pm

    You say “spittle-flecked bile” like it’s a bad thing.

  264. August 27, 2016 10:09 pm

    “Yet you allow him to just go untethered”

  265. August 27, 2016 10:24 pm

    Guffaw…

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  266. August 27, 2016 10:29 pm

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  267. Walrus permalink
    August 27, 2016 11:08 pm

    By the way reb

    That arsehole had no problem dragging Mrs Walrus into an argument just over a year ago

    No action from you then

    Ban me.

    But be honest and tell the rest why

    He’s a piece of crap

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2016 9:53 am

    So most of us here are into the 10th year of arguing about… not much.

    Not much has changed!

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 28, 2016 9:56 am

    It’s the ‘seinfeld’ of blogs 😆

  270. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 28, 2016 10:00 am

    neil = noooman!
    am I elaine?

  271. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 28, 2016 10:25 am

  272. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2016 10:54 am

    I must be George, I’d have got more action here last night by the looks of it

    Wally must be me dad “serenity now! ” 🙂

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2016 11:17 am

    AO you’d be an excellent Elaine!

  274. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 28, 2016 11:32 am

    So most of us here are into the 10th year of arguing about… not much.

    I wonder if anybody has changed their mind about anything? I wonder if anybody has won an argument with facts?

    Facts are irrelevant, arguments are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe.

  275. August 28, 2016 11:43 am

    “I wonder if anybody has changed their mind about anything? ”

    Well you betrayed everyone at the last election!

  276. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 28, 2016 11:44 am

    Facts are irrelevant, arguments are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe.

    That would be the most ignorant thing i’ve ever heard [i don’t mean that disrepectfully] only a RWNJ who has never had a critical thought in his life, could even think it!

  277. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2016 2:21 pm

    That would be the most ignorant thing i’ve ever heard

    Please, consider the source, and remember, it’s really just business as usual for the poster 😉

    I wonder if anybody has changed their mind about anything?

    The one that sticks out most for me is probably the same sex marriage issue, which I always considered to be a ‘niche’ issue. I didn’t realise the damage it does cause (along with all the stereo types associated)

  278. August 28, 2016 5:27 pm

    oh the irony ,,,,Facts are irrelevant, arguments are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe,,,,

    # ,, there is definitely a `group` of people in this world that operate like that, if `only` we could work-out who they are

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 28, 2016 6:51 pm

    Richard Denniss is the chief economist for The Australia Institute,,

    Richard Denniss is only a slightly worse liar than Stephen Koukoulas. After all these years the deceit of Labor supporters never ceases to amaze me. Deniss said this

    And that’s before the car industry shuts down next year. Despite the fact that it was the Coalition that was happy to see the car industry leave

    No Coalition supporter was happy to see the car industry leave. It left for the same reason all our other manufacturing has left.

    It is amazing. In the early 1980’s we used to make everything in Australia and now it is all gone. I believe our oil refining capabilities are the next to leave. Apparently we are now going to refine our oil in Singapore and import fully refined petrol.

    It is also a security issue. During the next war we are going to ask our enemy to stop fighting while we import the necessary supplies.

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2016 7:36 pm

    G’day! My biorhythms must be really bad at the moment … spent that last two days helping my son build a fence and abused at every turn …

    After the last personal attack I had planned to hang in here until we reached 1,000,000 hits …

    However, under the present circumstances that goal has been changed and reading the comments from wally, above, I feel it my duty to alter my original plans to wait till 1,000,000 hits and …

    … just stick around as long as I can to make life hard for the people here who seem to enjoy dishing it out but then fall into a fkn blubbering heap when they are “played” with …

    wally, I was wondering where you were! I was actually concerned for your welfare! It happened once before when you were absent … ask others here … I was concerned then … !

    I obviously misunderstood our “decade + relationship” … I have been to Vietnam, I do recognise the needs of the nation (and that we invaded the poor bastards) and recognise that I can’t afford to help them as you can … and while my National Service seems to give you angst – I might remind you that you had a choice to join the Cadets … I didn’t … nor did Cadets serve two years in an army at war … and never knew when they would be deployed to VN! Oh! Luck of it!

    Now! Having said all that I apologise for obviously deeply hurting your feelings – not intended … I just hope in future that you take into consideration other people’s feelings here on the best blog in the interwebby!

  281. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 28, 2016 7:47 pm

    …AO you’d be an excellent Elaine!…

    I was today. I went to a ‘black and white’ themed high tea with about 30 other women to celebrate a colleague who is leaving. The venue was very posh and there was literally a red carpet from the front door, down the steps and across the footpath!

    Having said that, I think they went for presentation and style over substance, the delicacies looked and tasted beautiful [almost too food-arty to eat] but there could have been more of them. I decided I would have bubbly to compensate 😆

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2016 8:05 pm

    “[almost too food-arty to eat] but there could have been more of them. I decided I would have bubbly to compensate

    Very wise decision AO, bubbly is a very healthy drink, it’s made from fruit!

    …and if there is one thing that annoys me, it’s an insufficient meal that errs on the side of arty presentation. Call me old fashioned, but I enjoy good quality in meal sized quantity accompanied by a gallon or 2 of outstanding red!

  283. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2016 8:07 pm

    “I wonder if anybody has changed their mind about anything?

    I have changed my mind about one thing – I underestimated the level of control unions have over the ALP

  284. August 28, 2016 8:36 pm

    changed,,,,my mind about one thing, I underestimated the level of control unions have,,,,

    # ,, Hehe Hehe Hehe, after being dragged kicking and screaming, penny starting to drop Huh????

  285. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2016 11:30 am

    “Is THAT why he’s not posting much anymore?”

    I have been commenting a bit – its not diddly squat so to speak. I just choose my topics. Politics is boring these days. I try to keep my end up by dropping in and shitting in the nest every now and then. Looks like people around here have been getting a bit offended lately!!!! Imagine that? Offence being taken at Guttertrash!

    I wish we could organise a jelly-wrestling match between Wally and TB.

  286. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2016 12:23 pm

    I have been commenting a bit

    Wow, the world revolves around a splattered arse apparently.

    I thought it would be obvious I was referring to a certain toilet boss, who hasn’t commented here for a while.

    but sb wants to make it all about hisself lol

    Speaking of stupid

    Where Joe Hockey talked of “lifters and leaners” Scott Morrison has decided that “there is a new divide – the taxed and the taxed nots”.

    Sigh.

    I guess then we can also say that there is a new divide in treasurers – those who simplistically view the world through ill-thought out binary oppositions, and those who don’t.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/aug/29/scott-morrisons-car-crash-logic-and-the-real-story-behind-the-taxed-nots?CMP=share_btn_tw

  287. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2016 2:22 pm

    “I thought it would be obvious I was referring to a certain toilet boss, who hasn’t commented here for a while.”

    I take your point even though you were replying directly to a comment I made. Still it was very cruel, Tom R. After all the nice things I’ve said about you. I’m a sensitive soul, you know and sensitivity seem to be flavour of the month around here.

    What’s new in the wacky world of ALP trolling? It is too easy these days, isn’t it? You need a better challenge. Perhaps, given the support you have shown them previously, you should make it your mission to rehabilitate the careers of Kevin Rudd and Craig Thomson.

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2016 3:02 pm

    Yep, that trickle down economy* is working well … what utter, greedy tripe!

    Earlier this week it was reported that Commonwealth Bank CEO Ian Narev’s total pay for the past year rose to $12.3m – an increase of 50%. Narev’s pay rise comes at a time when Australian workers are receiving the lowest growth in their wages ever recorded. Yesterday the ABS revealed that in the past year, wages in the private sector grew by just 1.9% in trend terms – marking four years of falling wages growth.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/aug/18/wages-growth-is-at-record-lows-unless-youre-a-commonwealth-bank-ceo

    The graphs are interesting too …

    *actually vacuum economics … sucking out of the economy … or being pissed on from high …

    50 fkn %! Robber Barons at work and play …

  289. August 29, 2016 3:25 pm

    “what utter, greedy tripe!”

    it’s a private company so they can pay their CEO what they like. It’s no skin off my nose. It’s not as if it’s taxpayer’s money. In fact, as a shareholder, I understand that if he got paid those bonuses it means he achieved certain KPIs, so probably made me money. Plus, the market for CEOs is global. Someone, somewhere in the world would probably offer him a similar package.

    Also this: “But while Narev’s pay rise is large, mostly it comes via bonuses with his fixed pay unchanged at $2.65m.”

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2016 3:41 pm

    No one is worth a 50% pay rise … especially $6,000,000 … particularly when employees are getting little or no pay increase – if you can’t see a double standard then I can’t help …

    The greed I refer to is the Banks’ and their “bumper (fee based) profits” … banks have some of the poorest service and most customer complaints of any industry … but they also have a captive market … ’cause that’s what it is a greed machine …

  291. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2016 3:47 pm

    I’m a sensitive soul, you know and sensitivity seem to be flavour of the month around here.

    Fuck Off slpatteredass!

    (I’ll help you out with yer creds too, cos I’m just a nice guy 😉 )

    As for high flying execs bonuses, I saw recently that one of the items mentioned in the milk wars was that the ceo of (???) had his bonuses tied to the rising price of milk.

    Miraculaously, whilst he was there, the price of milk was estimated to continue to rise. Many farmers claim they questioned these outlooks, were told all is good, and invested accordingly.

    Then the bottom fell out.

    Personally, ‘bonuses’ need a very close look at imo.

  292. August 29, 2016 4:17 pm

    “if you can’t see a double standard then I can’t help …”

    No, I can’t. But I don’t need any help. I understand how these kinds of salary packages work. Base salary plus bonuses in cash and/or shares. It is a possibility – remote, but feasible – that if everything went wrong this financial year and he (the bank, collectively) didn’t reach any of his (its) targets, then he would receive ‘just’ his base salary and no bonuses. Will Greg Jericho then write an article praising Narev for taking an 80% ‘pay cut’?

    No, because that’s not how the politics of envy works.

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2016 4:34 pm

    Will Greg Jericho then write an article praising Narev for taking an 80% ‘pay cut’?

    And you know that will never happen …

    No, because that’s not how the politics of envy works.

    It’s neither political* nor envious … the fact is that no-one is worth that much in any shape or form …

    Apart from the slow destruction of the economy that your side of politics seem so obsessed with …

  294. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2016 4:36 pm

    “Then the bottom fell out.”

    Oh Lordy! That must have hurt.

  295. August 29, 2016 4:38 pm

    “the fact is that no-one is worth that much in any shape or form …”

    That is not a fact. It’s a subjective opinion.

  296. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2016 4:41 pm

    One reason the ABS screwed up the census was the low wage they paid the head – $800k. Obviously not enough to attract high-calibre candidates.

  297. August 29, 2016 4:43 pm

    not,,,,as if it`s taxpayer`s money. In fact, as a shareholder,,,,

    # ,, well that`s NOT quite the case now tinfoil`osy, is it, when `shareholders` no longer `deduct` boardroom bonus and salary, then you can claim that, until then, they are at least `partially` taxpayer-funded by way of `foregone-tax` via those deductions

  298. August 29, 2016 4:44 pm

    “One reason the ABS screwed up the census was the low wage they paid the head – $800k. ”

    Is he still employed there? If he is, I’d say he’s probably missed a few KPIs – and bonuses if there were any on offer.

  299. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2016 4:44 pm

    “That is not a fact. It’s a subjective opinion.”

    Yes, but it is TB’s opinion which makes it a fact in certain parts of la-la land.

  300. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2016 4:49 pm

    “then you can claim that, until then, they are at least `partially` taxpayer-funded by way of `foregone-tax` via those deductions”

    I agree! Any company not paying 200% of its income in tax is a tax cheat. They need to pay their fair share which can’t really be defined and basically depends on the mood of the group wanking session on any particular day at Greens HQ.

  301. August 29, 2016 5:33 pm

    Splatts, lsn`t tinfoil`osy one of the critters around here that `claim` to be an `accountant`???? Keeping in mind tinfoil`osy Leaps to the defense of the wholesomeness, honesty, sweetness and all-round `goodness` of catlick-ism, don`t you think it is `at-least` a fair-point to point-out that tinfoil`osy is at the very least being `sparse` with the truth???? Surely he is not intending to diminish both accounting `and` catlick-ism with said `sparseness`????

  302. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2016 5:36 pm

    Oh Lordy! That must have hurt.

    Nah, it just went splatt!

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2016 5:40 pm

    One reason the ABS screwed up the census was the low wage they paid the head – $800k. Obviously not enough to attract high-calibre candidates.

    Indeed … thanks for backing me up … money is NOT a criteria for successful organisations … and its been proven over and over again …

    I agree! Any company not paying 200% of its income in tax is a tax cheat. They need to pay their fair share which can’t really be defined and basically depends on the mood of the group wanking session on any particular day at Greens HQ.

    And then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid … ♫ ♫ ♪

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2016 6:11 pm

    The climate sceptic Liberal MP Craig Kelly has been appointed chairman of the backbench environment and energy committee, with National party MP Kevin Hogan as secretary.

    I can feel TurnAbbott DD 2.0 coming on already! LOL!

    Turkeys for Xmas? Chuckle …

  305. August 29, 2016 7:03 pm

    milk wars,,,,was that the ceo of (???) had his bonuses tied to the rising price of milk,,,,

    # ,, l saw the same thing team-cheerer, 4corners???, and the amount of `fraudulent` bonus/s was 10-mill of the dairy-group`s money, and the dairy-group is made-up of the farmers `repaying` it for so-called `over-payment` for their milk

    # ,, don`t get too het-up over the farmers tho, most of them have applied outstanding stupidity and greed to put themselves exactly where they are #teabumpkins

  306. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2016 8:20 pm

    Executive share plans usually aren’t paid for a few years. They’re conditional on enduring success not on a single year’s performance

    Just thought you should get that fact right TB.

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2016 9:32 pm

    Just thought you should get that fact right TB.

    Why thank you, ToM … how much does a teller get? And what was their “pay” rise and or bonus …

    You really are defending the indefensible …

    The CEO’s we’re talking about are the 21st century version of the catalyst for the revolutionary period of the 18th century …

    1% Elites will bring down the Western Capitalist Democracies unless greed at the top end is curbed … a system is only as good as the people that operate it … as the USSR found out …

    Is milk the new “bread” … shall we have to drink water (ie cake)… will we keep warm by burning Parliament Houses … ??

    Defend the arrogance of Robber Barons by all means but beware the consequences …

    MAL is all about fairness and equity – apparently – walk the talk … other countries have curbed the excesses of senior execs – for good reason!

  308. August 29, 2016 11:23 pm

    Just,,,,thought you should get that fact right TB,,,,

    # ,, Fanny-May, Freddie-Mac, Bob-Joss era at westpac. As we`re talking about `facts` and gettin`em `right` (-:

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 8:15 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/30/malcolm-turnbulls-popularity-at-new-low-newspoll-show

    Primary has changed too …

    Turnabbott DD 2.0 sooner than you think?

    Kindergarten in Kanberra … LOL!

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 8:19 am

    Maybe my previous prediction of MAL winning the election and then a RWNJ Mad Abbott coup to grab back power may be on the Liberal horizon … ?

    Oh what have you done Australia … chuckle …

    Salary cap for senior executives …

    No perqs for post pollies … just basic super like the rest of us …

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2016 8:56 am

    Salary cap for executives? How would that work TB?

    Do you know exec pay has to be approved at an AGM? And there are significant issues for any board that has the pay recommendation rejected by the owners

    So do you propose removimg rhe rights of the owners from.determining exec pay?

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 10:27 am

    How would that work … easily … heard of Fairwork? They set caps and conditions every day for workplace remuneration in the workplace.

    AGM approval – Yes I do … but I also know that most AGMs are controlled and manipulated by voting blocs (as you should) … I’ve been to enough AGMs … and I’ve never “determined” pay – I’ve watched in silence as the bloc vote follows the decision made behind doors with the boys club …

    Removing rights from owners … you mean controls on remuneration the same as other workers? WoW!

    By all means pay them over the cap (award) … but if there were standards set, then people might question (they actually already do) the obscene take that senior execs are paid …

    You continue to support your Elites and I’ll continue to barrack for fairness and equity …

    What if we had a business and nobody showed up … the greed will eventually lead to a self fulfilling prophecy STRIKES! Let the executive make a profit then … they wouldn’t know where to start at a teller window …

    Keep the workers poor and struggling and controllable …

    Perhaps we should all get to vote on salaries for our fat cats too … we own Australia Post still – don’t we?

  313. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2016 10:48 am

    So you think FWA can set executive remuneration.

    Are you serious?

    And if you’ve never seen a company with activist shareholders that have organised rejection of board remuneration proposals, you’re not really up with that stuff

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2016 11:00 am

    I’ll continue to barrack for fairness and equity

    I don’t think that’s what you do TB. You’re as partisan as anyone here

    And more than many

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 11:02 am

    Chuckle …

  316. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2016 12:13 pm

    So you think FWA can set executive remuneration.

    They can set a minimum wage for a worker, why not a max?

    I heard someone recently ruminating about tying exec salaries to the lowest paid in their companies, say 100x the lowest. I think it was the Something Wonky podcast.

    If the exec wants to get more, then so must the workers.

    It’s interesting that execs often get shares in the companies that decide their pay as part of their package. It’s as obscene as pollies voting for their pay rises.

  317. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2016 12:33 pm

    Do the rules around union bargaining set a maximum?

    What a lot of partisan crap

  318. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2016 12:42 pm

    Do the rules around union bargaining set a maximum?

    They don’t need to, because the ceo will always pay the worker the least they can, and themselves the most.

    What a load of ignorant crap.

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 1:42 pm

    I just keep chuckling at the “defence mechanism” …

    Greed is Good! Mentality …

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2016 1:58 pm

    What a load of hypocritical crap. Unions can ask for as much as they want and extract (under pressure/industrial action) just as much as a company is willing to bear… but you want to place a cap on exec pay, even though the actual owners have to approve it.

    Ignorant, partisan and hypocritical

  321. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2016 2:13 pm

    Looks like the libs wibble wobbled their omnibus bill

    Labor says the Turnbull government has lied about its $6.1bn “omnibus” savings bill, tacking on measures that were not part of the opposition’s costings in the lead-up to the election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/30/labor-says-coalition-has-lied-and-included-additional-cuts-in-omnibus-savings-bill?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1472515085

    It was pretty much expected.

  322. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2016 2:15 pm

    Unions can ask for as much as they want and extract (under pressure/industrial action) just as much as a company is willing to bear

    You say that like it’s a bad thing?

    but you want to place a cap on exec pay, even though the actual owners have to approve it.

    I would have thought history would have been an example of why it isn’t a bad idea. Witness Whyalla. Witness the milk wars we find our selves in.

    There are countless examples of execs being paid millions whilst sending the company broke. Who votes again?

  323. August 30, 2016 2:34 pm

    Government setting executive salaries for private and publicly listed companies? What could possibly go wrong?

  324. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2016 3:03 pm

    Government setting executive salaries for private and publicly listed companies?

    I’m not sure about “setting executive salaries”, but it seems to me that something should be done to control the rampant abuses.

    Although, what?

    America tried it a few years ago, but it all back fired on them.

    Bloody Bill

    http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/02/05/465747726/-682-when-ceo-pay-exploded

  325. August 30, 2016 3:17 pm

    “Although, what?”

    Nothing. Companies and executives seem able to agree on salary packages without external interference assistance.

  326. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2016 3:22 pm

    Companies and executives seem able to agree on salary packages without external interference assistance.

    Yes, and, as I mentioned with the milk wars, not always with the best outcome for the company or workers, but ALWAYS with the best outcome for the executives.

  327. August 30, 2016 3:29 pm

    1) Are you saying that sometimes CEOs make poor decisions? I’m shocked!
    2) What are you calling milk wars?

  328. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2016 3:40 pm

    What are you calling milk wars?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-15/dairy-farmers-forced-to-sell-up-in-face-of-plunging-milk-prices/7730638

    I’m shocked!

    Join the club

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 3:41 pm

    Chuckle … ask the workers … (I suspect that the defenders either are or see themselves as the Elites they so vehemently defend) …

    Corporate governance experts Charles M. Elson and Craig K. Ferrere, faculty members at the John L. Weinberg Center for Corporate Governance at the University of Delaware, point to a more important reason: the way boards of directors set salaries. Their recently published analysis, “Executive Superstars, Peer Groups and Over Compensation – Cause, Effect and Solution,” showed that most company boards use a statistical technique called peer benchmarking to set CEO salaries.

    It usually works like this: a board’s first step is to gather a “peer group,” made up of companies that are in the same line of business, similar in size and have a variety of similar characteristics. Next, the board gathers data that specifies the level of CEO compensation at each company. To complete the process the board decides at what percentile they want to target their own CEO’s total compensation. Most boards set their chief executive’s pay no lower than the median (50th percentile) of the group, while boards at other companies could decide to place CEO salaries at the 75th or even the 90th percentile. And with other peer group companies using the same benchmarking process, it all but guarantees that CEO salaries will continue to rise.

    The proposed rule sharply divided the SEC commissioners, but won approval by a 3-2 margin.

    Commissioner Luis A. Aguilar said: “If comparing CEO compensation solely to the compensation of other CEOs can lead to an … upward spiral, then comparing CEO compensation to the compensation of an average worker may help offset that trend.”

    Another member expressed strong dissent. Commissioner Daniel M. Gallagher said: “There are no – count them, zero – benefits that our staff have been able to discern. As the proposal explains, ‘[T]he lack of a specific market failure identified as motivating the enactment of this provision poses significant challenges in quantifying potential economic benefits, if any, from the pay ratio disclosure.’”

    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/112013/executive-pay-how-much-do-shareholders-really-care.asp

    The irony of this situation is that communism is an extreme in people/resource/production control by government – when greed kicks in, its obscene (and in the case of the USSR the demise was extreme too) …

    … the capitalism we now experience in the Western nations (ie covertly controlled by corporations via a corrupt democratic system) is the opposite end of the economic – command system market system – pendulum … the extreme greed of a few is once again destroying the system …

    … who suffers? In both cases the poor, the weak, the young, the old, sick and infirm … who ends up fighting for either cause? … certainly not the Elites – who cause the same problem time and time again …

    … its not the systems that cause the problems … its just a few greedy pricks …

    And history repeats itself …

  330. August 30, 2016 6:04 pm

    exec pay,,,,even though the actual owners have to approve it,,,,

    # ,, keeping in mind the `largest-actual` owners doing all the boardroom `pay-approving` are other boardrooms, you don`t burn me and my pay-rise, l won`t burn you and your pay-rise, omitted by you-know-who #teabags

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2016 6:09 pm

    The problem with neoliberal economics

    Private tax is the great unspoken of neoliberal philosophy. And the rich are the winners
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/30/private-tax-is-the-great-unspoken-of-neoliberal-philosophy-and-the-rich-are-the-winners?cmp=oth_b-aplnews_d-3

    …Although the wealthiest households and businesses pay the majority of public taxes, they are also the largest recipients of private taxes. While national accounts often provide estimates of public taxes down to the dollar, this is unfortunately not the case with private taxes. This grey area is a gift to its beneficiaries. Given the sum of public and private taxes, it is possible the wealthy pay no net tax while the middle class and poor face significant net tax burdens as a result of the widespread imposition of private taxes.

    When neoliberal proponents promote support for lower taxes, they only ever refer to public, not private, taxes. Neoliberals have misled the public into supporting the reduction of public taxes while massively increasing private taxation in its three forms by stealth, without nominating it as taxation…

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 6:11 pm

    Partisan and Proud!

    As I had hoped … this will show the LNP for what it REALLY stands for!

    Labor and a group of Greens and independent MPs have separately given notice that they will introduce private members’ bills to legalise same-sex marriage.

    Greens MP Adam Bandt and independents Cathy McGowan and Andrew Wilkie gave notice on Tuesday of a cross-party marriage equality bill, in identical terms to one before the previous parliament.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/30/marriage-equality-labor-greens-and-independents-will-bring-forward-bills

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 6:16 pm

    G’day KL! Read that this morning but figured it may be a bit complicated for RWNJ residents here …

    I see the Libs are already in the shyte on so many fronts! Day One!

    Still ScoScum said “a little prayer” for the peasants … JC must be spinning on that cross!

  334. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2016 6:26 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/30/private-tax-is-the-great-unspoken-of-neoliberal-philosophy-and-the-rich-are-the-winners?cmp=oth_b-aplnews_d-3

    …exTen

    Another private tax that looms large and obvious – tolls for using private motorways (that could have been constructed more cheaply and thus tolled more cheaply if the government had borrowed the finance at lower rates than the private contractor and cut out all the pricey merchant banking middle men)…

    …whambulance 4h ago

    There is a fourth category of private tax, often overlooked – excessive corporate executive salaries.

    Those costs are well and truly passed to the consumer.

    FelixKruell whambulance 3h ago

    If that is the test, then everything is a tax!

    You buy products and services from these companies voluntarily. You only pay a price you think is fair value for the goods/services being bought. That company uses the revenue to cover costs and generate profit. That price doesn’t go up or down based on how much the CEO gets paid. In no way is that cost passed on to you.

    exTen FelixKruell 1h ago

    In what competitive free market economy do you delude yourself you exist in, Felix? You are being taxed incessantly and heavily by private monopolies and cartels. And a slice of your tax is going in political donations to politicians in order to keep it that way…

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2016 6:50 pm

    …and if there is one thing that annoys me, it’s an insufficient meal that errs on the side of arty presentation. Call me old fashioned, but I enjoy good quality in meal sized quantity accompanied by a gallon or 2 of outstanding red!…

    Me too tomM, from what I could see [how quickly the food went & leaving hardly any for me when I returned from taking a couple of photos] they should have doubled the food, they were even very skimpy on things like accompaniments, the cream & jam for scones, etc just one little shallow scoop of a bowl of each provided for about 6 people to share. You pay good money up front p/p for these things, it was a rip-off really.

    G’day KL! Read that this morning but figured it may be a bit complicated for RWNJ residents here …

    Not complicated at all TB, but yes, hard for ideologists to get their heads around.[or if they do, they don’t care] It was pretty easy for the commenters over there to understand though.

  336. August 30, 2016 7:08 pm

    as much,,,,as a company is willing to bear,,,,

    # ,, l tend to agree with this, having a govt-dept trying to `police` boardroom maximums would be impossible under the current corrupt system of `open-loop` holes and `in-pocket` pollies, and would be an exercise in futility.

    # ,, if we actually had pollies working for `us` and the `national` good, instead of `asset-striping` and incinerating mountains of treasury-cash on dud-programs/ideals of waste, we might be able to have better suggestions than the current `cut-our-way-out-of-stagnation`, but alas, l suspect we are going the way of japan

  337. August 30, 2016 7:29 pm

    Private taxes? That’s the first I’ve heard of such a notion. After reading the article I’m quite confident I won’t be hearing of it much again. It’s a laughable idea dreamt up by someone who has been predicting the end of our ‘property bubble’ for at least the last four years. (See his website at LF Economics.)

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2016 7:39 pm

    The Canadian Plan That Could Help Australia Beat Neoliberalism
    https://newmatilda.com/2016/04/27/the-canadian-plan-that-could-help-australia-beat-neoliberalism/

    Climate Change Authority splits over ETS report commissioned by Coalition
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/30/climate-change-authority-splits-over-ets-report-commissioned-by-coalition

    …A Climate Change Authority review charged with advising the government on how to meet its climate change commitments has led to an unprecedented split in its top ranks, with two of the body’s 11 members writing a dissenting “minority report”.

    Guardian Australia understands the official Climate Change Authority report will recommend Australia adopt an intensity-based trading scheme for electricity generators…

    Thanks to an alliance of activists, artists, unions and NGOs in Canada, a coherent alternative has been proposed and it’s called the Leap Manifesto. It’s already having an explosive impact on Canadian politics and a similar model could do the same in Australia.

    This political pimping just shouldn’t be happening, corporate money shouldn’t be anywhere near politicians. It is neoliberalism at it’s worst and both sides are waist deep in the muck.

    Labor Senator Sam Dastyari had Chinese interests foot the bill for travel entitlement repayment:
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-senator-sam-dastyari-had-chinese-interests-foot-the-bill-for-travel-entitlement-repayment-20160830-gr4mlh.html

  339. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2016 8:23 pm

    The Rise And Rise Of The Political Troll From The ‘Alt-Right
    https://newmatilda.com/2016/08/30/hillary-clinton-calls-out-the-trolling-alt-right-and-australians-should-be-listening/

    …Clinton has shone a spotlight onto the alt-right, and the mentalities the movement shares with Donald Trump. This is the attention they crave.

    Seeing how the American public respond from here will provide clues as to how those on fringes of the Australian right will manoeuvre and fare in the coming months and years…

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2016 9:11 pm

    Private taxes? That’s the first I’ve heard of such a notion.

    Me too … ToSY … but I think its a clever notion … and explains the increae in personal debt as opposed to government debt …

    And we all know who don’t pay enough tax … (clue: begins with E*****)

    Tolda ya so, KL! 😉

  341. August 30, 2016 9:25 pm

    “but I think its a clever notion … ”

    Not me. Rather than win the author a Nobel Prize in economics, that article will be more valuable as tomorrow’s fish and chips wrapper. (If The Guardian even even has a print version. I doubt it.)

  342. August 30, 2016 10:14 pm

    Rise,,,,And Rise Of The Political Troll,,,, seems to be fodder for the true believers to me armchair. You would do better to watch/record sbs/pbs-newshour or even planet-america on my abc to get a better look at hilary-V teh-ronald. l really don`t think the pundits and teabag-media have a clue when it comes to the-ronald. l still suspect the-ronald will pull some `last-minute` rabbits out of the hat very close to election day. As for matilda, they seem to be `hilary-cheering` which reminds me of one of the talking-heads l have seen say about a `hilary-poll` ,,,,we know we have to have a female-prez sooner or later,,,, ,,,,does it have to be her,,,,

  343. August 30, 2016 11:02 pm

    misuse,,,,of political entitlements make it clear that anti-corruption measures at a federal level are inadequate.

    Every State now has an anti-corruption commission. The Federal government is now the only jurisdiction without the infrastructure to confront corruption. Every time wrongdoing is exposed, one-off reviews or ad-hoc investigations are launched.

    We need a permanent commission to prevent corruption occurring and investigate claims as they arise. The Greens already have a bill to establish a National ICAC before before the Parliament,

    now the Labor and Liberal parties just need to support it,,,,

    # ,, can`t argue with that armchair, tho l suspect both teams won`t support it

    # ,, another case of NO product differentiation again #yaaaay.blib

    https://t.co/2JMzR3u83b

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2016 9:20 am

    Regardless of whether the proposition is the best way forward I think the only way there will be legislative progress on marriage equality is if there is a plebiscite

    Failure to apply this process will just result in a stalemate, which is the worst possible outcome

  345. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2016 9:34 am

    the only way there will be legislative progress on marriage equality is if there is a plebiscite

    Or Labor win the next election and just pass it through as almost every other bill is passed in our form of Governance, the same way the current act was passed in fact.

  346. Tom of Melbwourne permalink
    August 31, 2016 9:39 am

    Yep. So in you view it’s best to have at least another 3 years of discrimination and marginalisation.

    And rely on the ALP maybe winning

    That kind of proves the point I was making

  347. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2016 9:51 am

    So in you view it’s best to have at least another 3 years of discrimination and marginalisation.

    No, it appears to be the view of those who will suffering “another 3 years of discrimination and marginalisation”.

    I really don’t have a stake in game. So I’ll go with their opinions on this one.

  348. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2016 9:55 am

    I know that activists and advocates would prefer politicians to simply legislate. And that would be my preferred position.

    But that’s not going to happen because the government won’t break that particular election commitment

    So the only way there will be progess in this parliament is through a plebiscite

    But if you’d prefer just political positioning and stalemate for at least 3, that’s fine.

  349. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2016 10:03 am

    So the only way there will be progess in this parliament is through a plebiscite

    As not only “activists and advocates” but those simply impacted have noted, a plebiscite will not legislate, only allow hate to be sponsored by the state.

    If you think spending millions to enable hate speech (why do think they are pushing so hard for 18c right now?) on a plebiscite that so many haters have already said they will ignore, your idea of ‘progress’ differs vastly from mine.

    But you keep politically posturing, and ignore those impacted.

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2016 1:07 pm

    But that’s not going to happen because the government won’t break that particular election commitment

    Problem is ToM, that “promise” was made to/for a kryschun minority – within the Liberal Party!

    Majority government? I call BS!

    Government for all people? I call BS

    Innovation? I call BS!

    Jobs & Growth? I call BS!

    Economic Managers? I call BS!

    Competent Decision Makers? I call BS!

    Robber Barons and Thieves?

    This is NOT a religious decision it is a HUMAN RIGHTS decision … it is as easily changed as JWinstonH changed it originally …

    And anyone with half a brain (seems Liberal pollies are exempt) knows the majority of Australians either want equality in marriage or couldn’t GAFF about it …

    The Liberal Party and its twisted religiously driven “traditions” are smothering the country and denying real governance and development for the 21st Century … just fkn do it …

  351. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2016 1:35 pm

    As not only “activists and advocates” but those simply impacted have noted, a plebiscite will not legislate, only allow hate to be sponsored by the state.

    And taxpayers will be paying for the open slather of hatred and division against a section of our community. No, that’s not right, we shouldn’t be hosting such a thing.The haters should pay for their own bile and invective I think.

    As soon as they knew there was to be a plebiscite, the ACL lobbied for the repeal of 18C, why do they need to take out “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate” if they don’t intend to do their worst?

    …now the Labor and Liberal parties just need to support it,,,,

    We also need real time recording of all political donations. our politicians have had it too good for too long, they think they are above the laws of the land and above any public scrutiny.

    Now, why would the CEO’s want to be paid less? Bonuses are not related to performance at all, which is what tosy was trying to argue the other day, it seems to be a way of disguising remuneration.

    Australian CEO pay packets fall but bonuses rise, new study finds
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-31/australian-ceo-pay-packets-fall-but-bonuses-rise/7799656

    …A new report has revealed the pay packets of the leaders of Australia’s top-100 listed companies have shrunk to a decade low, as the use of bonuses among business elite are questioned…

    …Bonuses could be boosting bosses’ pay

    While fixed pay declined, however, the report found 93 per cent of ASX 100 chief executives received a bonus last year, the largest proportion since 2008.

    And for bosses who did receive a bonus, the median payout was 76 per cent of the possible maximum amount on offer.

    That suggests firms could be using bonus pay, which should be linked to a company’s performance — or outperformance — to boost their leaders’ fixed pay, Ms Davidson said.

    “Our concern is that bonus hurdles are not high enough to justify them being called bonuses,” she said.

    “So we’re really saying ‘what sort of expectations are being set by companies if CEOs are able to routinely earn 76 per cent of their bonus potential’.”…

  352. August 31, 2016 1:59 pm

    AO: “Bonuses are not related to performance at all, which is what tosy was trying to argue the other day”

    Of course they are. But, as Louise Davidson from your article says, “Our concern is that bonus hurdles are not high enough to justify them being called bonuses. So we’re really saying ‘what sort of expectations are being set by companies if CEOs are able to routinely earn 76 per cent of their bonus potential’.”

    So the new argument against CEO remuneration seems to be that if CEOs are achieving 76 percent of their bonus potential, the hurdles must have been set too low.

    What percentage of their bonus potential do these critics want CEOs to achieve? And at what point on that scale would they say bonus hurdles were set too high?

    If 76 percent achievement means bonus hurdles are set too low, would 25 percent mean they are set too high?

  353. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2016 2:32 pm

    The key responsibility of a board is retention of well performing executives.

    Shareholders don’t want executive churn in well performing companies.

    Poachung of executives is used by some companies to damage their competitors, not simply to recruit the best person for the job.

  354. August 31, 2016 2:43 pm

    “The key responsibility of a board is retention of well performing executives.”

    Yes. If critics have their way and companies set unachievable bonus hurdles, CEOs will look elsewhere, overseas even.

    Besides, it’s just as likely that rather than hurdles being set too low, companies have set realistic hurdles and are happy to see them achieved. Under that scenario, CEOs have done the job asked of them and should be paid the offered bonuses.

  355. August 31, 2016 4:53 pm

    achieving,,,,76 percent of their bonus potential, the hurdles must have been set too low,,,,

    # ,, mostly correct armchair

    # ,, the lowering of `base` with increase in `bonus` is mainly a public-relations `image-management` strategy to try and diffuse some of the metrics pertaining to carnivorous capitalism `wage` extremes which are being measured by some folks now-a-days.

    # ,, lmage difficulty occurs when boardrooms pay themselves 500-times the company`s lowest-paid-pa (or 500-years, or 10-lifetimes, if you prefer) while demanding the erosion of the lowest-paids. lt becomes a loud talk-point on things like qandaland.

  356. August 31, 2016 6:57 pm

    sbs-news,,,down in boltland they just charged kathy jackson with 70-corruption offenses related to the HSU,,,

  357. September 1, 2016 2:31 pm

    “”So the only way there will be progess in this parliament is through a plebiscite
    But if you’d prefer just political positioning and stalemate for at least 3, that’s fine.””

    Interesting that you somehow think that if the plebiscite is dumped, that automatically means that the whole issue of marriage equality somehow evaporates and everyone just moves on like it never existed…

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2016 3:24 pm

    I don’t think I said that.

    But I think the issue will probably stalemate and advocates will contue to make a sound case. It would then probably be an issue at the next election.

    And that would be a pity.

  359. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2016 3:33 pm

    And that would be a pity.

    What, that religious zealouts won’t be subsidised by the public purse to preach more hate?

  360. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2016 4:10 pm

    It would be a pity to allow a political stalemate to delay this for at least 3 years

  361. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2016 4:29 pm

    It would be a pity to allow a political stalemate to delay this for at least 3 years

    Considering the haters have already publicly declared that they will ignore the plebiscite, what makes you think having it will change the ‘stalemate’?

    And considering these same haters have already lobbied to be excluded from 18c, and now are agitating to remove it, what makes you think running it will be better than the current ‘stalemate’?

  362. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2016 4:53 pm

    What are you on about? Almost all ALP parliamentarians will support marriage equality even after a plebiscite. Many of the coalition will suport the result of the.plebiscite

    It will be a bitter little group that will remain opposed

    So if you would prefer to have 3+ years of political stalemate, that’s up ro you

  363. September 1, 2016 6:03 pm

    It’s the bitter little group that’s mobilising themselves into action to remove 18C so they can legally insult and offend people.

    Which just so happens to coincide with the lead up to the plebiscite.

    Perhaps it’s all just a coincidence*

    Yes, I would prefer 3 years of political stalemate if the alternative is a 3 to 6 month hate campaign which promotes hatred and hostility towards same-sex attracted people.

    Heck, the result is non-binding anyway, so it’s not a fait accompli as you seem to think.

    How many young people committing suicide as a result of some hate campaign are you prepared to accept to justify why the plebiscite is necessary?

  364. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2016 6:26 pm

    I think the type of campaign by bitter people will be just about as vigorous in the lead up to a parliamentary vote

  365. September 1, 2016 6:28 pm

    “How many young people committing suicide as a result of some hate campaign are you prepared to accept to justify why the plebiscite is necessary?”

    So a plebiscite will result in more suicides? What about an election campaign that was run on the promise of a plebiscite? What about the mere idea of a plebiscite? What about people who have previously disagreed with the idea of gay marriage, like Julia Gillard and Penny Wong? Did they also cause suicides?

  366. September 1, 2016 6:45 pm

    What about doing no more harm?

  367. September 1, 2016 6:46 pm

    “I think the type of campaign by bitter people will be just about as vigorous in the lead up to a parliamentary vote”

    Perhaps. But at least it won’t be televised.

  368. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2016 7:00 pm

    Heck, the result is non-binding anyway, so it’s not a fait accompli as you seem to think.

    How many young people committing suicide as a result of some hate campaign are you prepared to accept to justify why the plebiscite is necessary?

    HEAR! FKN! HEAR!

    I recall someone here recently asking has anyone actually changed in all our exchanges over the last decade … well I can assure you I have … after being brought as a homophobe, reading Joni and sreb’s comments I woke up to the human rights issues experienced by so may groups within our society … my focus had been on protecting my Mum (domestic violence) … but my focus was broadened by a decade of reading and writing on these blogs …

    And KL, I’m moving more and more towards a Bill of Rights that should deal with so much of this … but the fights will remain I suspect!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So a plebiscite will result in more suicides? What about an election campaign that was run on the promise of a plebiscite? What about the mere idea of a plebiscite? What about people who have previously disagreed with the idea of gay marriage, like Julia Gillard and Penny Wong? Did they also cause suicides?

    Let me try and answer those questions as a heterosexual, white, male … (I have no idea who or what you are) …

    1. Not necessarily … but it INCREASES the possibility (the idea is to REDUCE them).

    2. The plebiscite was always a delaying tactic by the RWNJ in the Liberal Party … certainly NOT a mandate from the PEOPLE. Not so sure

    3. Disagreed?

    4. Cause suicides? Now that’s nasty … to accuse particular people of causing death?

    BUT!

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2016/february/1454245200/penny-wong/it-s-time

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julia-gillard-changes-mind-to-support-samesex-marriage-20150826-gj8k24.html

    Do keep up!

    If you want me to I can demonstrate a whole range of “changing minds” throughout or political history – on both sides …

    Usually influenced by the PEOPLE …

    Cherry picking is fine … but expect to be called out every time …

  369. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2016 7:14 pm

    And it’s better to get the process out of the way in this term of parliament rather than having bitter types spend 3 or 4 or 5 years campaigning

    How many youths will suicide over the 3 or 4 years because of that?

  370. September 1, 2016 7:21 pm

    “Cause suicides? Now that’s nasty … to accuse particular people of causing death?”

    Is that what I was doing? Or asking a rhetorical question? You decide.

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2016 7:27 pm

    Well I didn’t introduce the cause of suicide, but I might as well pose the question to reb and TB – how many youths will suicide between now and a plebiscite in early 2017 due to a hate campaign?

    And how many will suicide between now and (say) 2019/20 when the ALP (maybe) wins an election and has a parliamentary vote, accompanied by an ongoing hate campaign that reaches its peak in 3 or 4 years?

  372. September 1, 2016 7:50 pm

    “I didn’t introduce the cause of suicide, but I might as well pose the question to reb and TB – how many youths will suicide between now and a plebiscite in early 2017 due to a hate campaign?

    Well that remains to be seen.

    What’s an acceptable number for you?

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2016 8:00 pm

    I didn’t introduce the subject of suicide, so maybe if you could quantify the number, in order to support your contention, I’ll let you know.

    …but why will there be fewer suicides by allowing this issue to fester for this term and maybe the next?

  374. September 1, 2016 8:30 pm

    Julia Gillard, Penny Wong, and TB Queensland have all changed their mind on this issue by listening to the arguments. Why do they now want to shut down public debate?

  375. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2016 10:53 am

    Did we have a “hate” debate over the Aboriginal Referendum of 1967 ?

  376. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2016 11:04 am

    If there is one thing that scares the shit out of leftists it is the fear that ordinary decent people might get to have their say. This is merely projection – dumb leftists can’t appreciate that others might be capable of debating an issue with out the vicious spite and bile that infects leftist discourse.

  377. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2016 4:18 pm

    leftists can’t appreciate that others might be capable of debating an issue with out the vicious spite and bile that infects leftist discourse.

    You understand that blot is allowed to debate as much as he likes about the colour of peoples skins, even after being found to be legally a racist.

    Hell, he may even be able to use viscous spite and bile as far as the courts are concerned. Their problem was, he used lies to throw his viscous spite and bile. That’s what brought him undone.

    It certainly hasn’t shut him up. It just means that more people are now aware that he is truly, legally, a racist.

  378. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2016 5:30 pm

    “It just means that more people are now aware that he is truly, legally, a racist.”

    Please provide a Link to where the judgement said that. Or are you just verballing a Judge again as usual ?

  379. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2016 6:04 pm

    Please provide a Link to where the judgement said that.

    er, he was found guilty by a court of law of racially vilifying someone. Pretty much the technical term for a racist wally.

  380. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2016 6:23 pm

    Just because he breached the Act does not make him a racist. As the Judge said he breached the Act because ………

    “at worst, (he was) dishonest and misleading and at best, grossly careless”

    Are those Uni students at QUT also racists if they have unknowingly at the time breached the Act ?

  381. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2016 6:24 pm

    And as I said where does the Judge call him a racist ?

  382. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2016 6:26 pm

    What act did he breach wally?

    Say it slowly now 😉

  383. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2016 12:05 am

    So if you breached the Motor Traffic Act

    By your logic you should never be allowed to drive. You obviously are a bad driver

    I just would like you to carry on Troll.

    I’m trying to really dumb it down just for YOU

  384. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2016 12:06 am

    Carry on 😄

  385. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2016 9:25 am

    By your logic you should never be allowed to drive.

    You understand that the judge did mention dolt was still allowed to discuss the topic his racism got into trouble for, don’t you?

    So even convicted racists are still allowed to discuss topics relating to racism.

    Perhaps you are the one who needs to read the judges comments?

  386. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2016 11:42 am

    too good tomR! 😛 🎯

  387. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2016 12:01 pm

    Carry On AO 😉

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2016 4:41 pm

    Watched “The Lady in the Van” this arvo … LOL!

    “Based on a mostly true story” – you need to watch ALL of the film to understand that …

    Takes a big fat swipe at the hypocrisy of the catlik church … and the damage it does to individuals … and itself …

    And the incompetence (or downright difficulty) of society to look after the homeless in a Western society … set in the 1960’s …

    Reminded me of my mad aunt (apart from the religion) to a tee. We somehow ended up “looking after her” for about four years (of misery!).

    I can see why the Poms made Maggie Smith a Dame! Brilliant!

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