US pastor, who believes floods are God’s punishment, has home destroyed by flood

And what would she know?

She’s only the CEO appointed by the ALP government after the last one resigned in protest over the shabby deal.

The new CFA chief has refused to endorse the state government’s costing of the contentious new workplace deal and admitted the agreement is difficult to interpret.
CFA chief executive Frances Diver told 3AW that the authority’s management was still working through the deal’s cost despite the government’s insistence it would be $160 million.
However, documents leaked to The Sunday Age indicated the dealcould reach almost $700 million.
Ms Diver, who has chosen for the role by the state government, said the agreement was not ideal and at 400 pages was the longest she had seen.
“One of the problems I see is that it’s long, it’s complex. Its clauses interact with each other and I think it’s quite difficult to interpret,” she said.
Ms Diver also conceded it “is a problem in some ways” that CFA management would have to engage in increased consultation with the United Firefighters Union as part of the deal.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/new-cfa-chief-frances-diver-admits-new-agreement-not-ideal-20160819-gqwelg.html

I didn’t realise there was a thread on this debacle TB.

…but it looks as if Danny’s hand picked CEO thinks the agreement is a crock. The only people defending it are Danny and his hack mates.

…and Tom R.

TR I think you meant “write” … your welcome … ~(:-)

by jove, I think you are write. Thanks TB (tnawm)

1% of the population may own 50% of the wealth but they are also responsible for much of the poverty, wars and cruelty in the world …

I AGREE!!!

I think it’s 1960s nonsense to make such an unequivocal connection between capitalism and racism.

Yugoslavia had a socialist system for a couple of generations nd then lapsed into the worst racist genocide imaginable.

Trite comments like that from Stokley Carmichael show a lack of depth of experience beyond how he feels about the USA.

This is from the afr story reb linked to in the previous fred. Which I have deemed to be too long 😉

Michelle Rowland was initially denied leave to get back to Sydney and her sick baby, and arts minister Simon Crean was stopped from attending artist Margaret Olley’s state memorial. The convention that the Prime Minister and Opposition Leader were automatically paired was not respected. Until the Abbott office saw reason, Gillard could not attend a weekly meeting with the Governor-General, a practice which had existed since Federation, to discuss the assent of legislation.

Then there was the parliamentary behaviour. Virtually every day at 2.50pm, the Opposition would suspend Question Time and move to censure the government for some rubbish reason. Gillard was always interrupted with frivolous points of order. In a bid to render the Parliament inoperable and collapse the government, the Coalition wilfully traduced the Parliament, its conventions and the office of Prime Minister.

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/election-over-so-what-could-possibly-go-wrong-20160817-gqucv0?btis

It is nice to note that afr, who were not that vociferous in their outrage to yabots actions while they were being actioned, is at least acknowledging them in 20 20 retrospect. It is also a joy to behold whyney pyney whyniing whyningly about not being able to bludge whenever he wants because of Labors ‘threat’

It would be more helpful if the media highlighted more just how well Labor are trolling the libs in this. As the ALP have stated, all malcaymnan need do to allow pairs is to acknowledge just why he needs them in the first place. malcayman saying he has a healthy majority, and the media relaying this info unquestioningly is all Labor are highlighting. Should malcayman acknowledge the precarious state of play, which is obvious to all, then they claim pairs will automatically be granted.

Trolling at the Parliamentary level, you really have to admire that. 🙂

Well i have been banned from AIMN again. To my surprise i was allowed to post for a week or two. Then my comments went into moderation because people complained. Then i was banned.

I was banned for saying we should be taking our refugees from UNHCR camps rather then those who pay $10,000 to come by boat.

I was called a piece of filth because we have no compassion of those fleeing being bombed. But these people are safe in Indonesia. What about refugees who have no money to pay a smuggler?

Well i have been banned from AIMN again.

That’s what you get for mixing with totalitarians.

who couldn’t make a decision unless it meant making money for the Elites

You mean like chasing our car industry back over seas simply to bash bloody Unions with? Well, that worked out well, didn’t it.

From the BI link from AO’s link

But with Australia’s manufacturing industry having been hollowed out too over the past decade, the capital investment pipeline for both mining and manufacturing are gone. So the fall-off, when measured in terms of a percentage of GDP, is nothing short of spectacular in historical context, as shown in this chart from Macquarie:

Yes, it WAS being hollowed out. And then, it got gutted, by hockey and the other leaners who were too stingy to put some investment in Australian jobs, but who are more than happy to plough Australian tax dollars straight back into overseas companies via their stupid company tax cuts.

Honestly AO- what’s the point your Mark is making. The extract is illegible and without any explanation. What’s the point of you posting it?

How come everyone else has to accept the FWA umpire’s decision except these people. ”

No one had to accept the non binding recommendation of a single commissioner

But everyone other than the volunteers were able to be represented. If you don’t think that’s a denial of natural justice, you’re misguided

Cash says “it’s the vibe” lol

Words fail

So did the former union official turned FWA Commissioner make his (non binding) recommendations without hearing from the volunteers?

Is that the fair process that everyone should be comfortable with? And the volunteers should just cop?

It was a simple question Tom R, but you’re welcome to avoid answering it.

If it is so simple, perhaps you can posit an answer for us?

I have a simple question

Do you agree with michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash?

As worthwhile as michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash contributions?

There I was thinking that the purpose of an EBA was to have conditions that are legally enforceable

Which is why people like Tom R prefer EBAs to common law contracts, but now it seems that even a memo between parties is better than an EBA!

Wow, the AFP are leaping into action for malcayman again re NoBN

CANBERRA – Labor frontbencher Stephen Conroy has declared an “extraordinary attack on the parliament” with Australian Federal Police (AFP) raids at Parliament House into the leaking of classified documents from the National Broadband Network (NBN).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/08/23/nbn-leak-raids-at-parliament-house/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage

Yeah! The ALP minister resigned rather than make the agreement. The previous Board refused to sign it
They won a Supreme Court injunction to decline to sign it, but the government dismissed them for refusing to sign it.
The previous CEO resigned over it
The most senior officers of the CFA have spoken against it
Even Danny Andrews spoke strongly against the agreement before his union masters made him fall into line
Then hand picked new CEO has expressed serious reservations about the agreement

But according to a few union apologists here, it’s the Federal government that has politicised the issue!

So we have a branch out of hundreds that aren’t supportive. Just get a similar commitment from another couple of hundred and you might claim a majority.

But the interests and preferences of non members have not been a priority for unions and those that mindlessly support them

Just get a similar commitment from another couple of hundred and you might claim a majority.

I’m sorry, but do you have a letter from hundreds in support, or is it just the VFBV claiming this, and then leading people on with a litany of lies?

the previous ALP minister, the previous Board, the previous (ALP) appointed CEO, the most senior officers are against the agreement.

And yet those that it impacts cannot see a problem.

Even the new CEO hat expressed serious reservations

I think you mean has “offered no position either way”

It is Joyce and capitalism suppressing the unions and the workers again!

Qantas will also reward 25,000 workers who were hit with an 18-month pay freeze as part of the turnaround plan with a $3000 “record result” bonus.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-posts-1b-profit-will-pay-first-dividend-in-seven-years-20160823-gqzk0z.html

So you say the UFU speaks on behalf of the Award covered employees

DUH, no I didn’t

volunteer firefighters at Greenvale CFA in Melbourne’s north have condemned the Volunteer Fire Brigades Victoria association for highly public and inflammatory comments about the impact of the union deal.

Yea, I can see why you and michaelia “it’s the vibe” cash get along so well 😉

But apparently that’s not what you think.

It appears you really don’t know what you think, let alone anyone else yomm.

Always go with EXPANSion Tony 😉

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3230854/

Wow Qantas makes a good profit and all lefties can do is moan and complain. The same thing happened a little while ago when the Commonwealth Bank made a good profit.

What do lefties want? For all our companies to be bankrupt?

An island amongst NBN “promised” within the next three years!

Not sure what you are raving on about. This is what your heroes promised in 2007.

Labor commits to investing up to $4.7 billion into a new high speed national broadband network for 98 per cent of Australians. This will be fibre optic to the node. 12 megabits per second – and capable of upscaling. It will be laid out over 5 years in partnership with the private sector. In the 19th century, nation builders laid out the railway network. In the 21st century, nation builders are laying out high speed broadband networks.

lol, morrison is hockeys leaner child

Just a Bunch of Buffoons …

Well TB of Queensland. The buffoons did not lock up 8,469 children like you did. We are now spending $1B/year on all the people you locked up. You have yet to apologise.

So, morriscum admits he lied to the electorate (no shit sherlock)

We DO have a revenue problem (apparently, it’s Labors fault)

“In other words, we have an earnings problem.”

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-levels-with-us-we-have-a-revenue-problem-after-all-20160825-gr0spp.html

Can you imagine the problems they’d have if there was something like, say, a GFC? The mother of all ‘earnings problems’!

As for the ‘taxed and taxed nots’, is this his first swipe at people hiding money in tax havens?

Should malcayman be concerned?

(…the one place the old buggers won`t sticky-nose is…

Could be.)

AO
“We have consistently rejected Labor’s tax and spend approach,” Morrison insisted in his speech”

doo
“# ,, product differentiation is hard to find #yaaay.blib”

Eyes wide shut lol

TB Queensland PERMALINK
August 22, 2016 7:08 pm

“Has nobody shown him the trajectory coal has taken on the market in recent years?
Wally’s obviously pissed off about that … and the rise of the free energy from renewables … either that or he’s on holidays … or building bamboo houses to ease his capitalist conscience …
Surely villagers know how to build a home?”

Of course villagers know how to build a house you fucking moron but it helps if a few westerners get together and sponsor decent timber on trucks and excavators to come to their areas to help.

Walrus I have heavily edited this post of yours due its heavily abusive nature – not just attacking TB but his wife. In light of this, I think you need to take a moment to reflect on your behaviour. It’s one thing to have a light hearted dig at each other occasionally, but what you just posted was unacceptable, no ifs or buts. I don’t like having to step in like this. So just have a think about it and choose your next comment wisely.

So there’s no room for greater efficiency in health and welfare?

Wasn’t the same argument made about the ABS?

It’s time to move past this vacuous ‘waste’ argument. Services have been slashed for years, time to look to the other part of the pie.

The advocates of that are mainly people that are on the receiving end of government largesse

You mean like millionaire retirees, overseas business’s, cayman island investors, fossil fuel companies, politicians.

Those ‘people’?

Well… that’s all very interesting… I quite like it here. And if there are to be nominations for bsnnings, I msy have one

in Australia,,,,,,,and German cut-price multinational Lidl is the latest to sense an opportunity.

The supermarket chain is due to arrive in Australia soon with a range of own-brand products that is deliberately kept to about 1500 items. Australian shoppers can expect to pay less wherever they shop as competition rises.

If the UK experience is any guide, here`s what Australian shoppers can expect,,,,,,,,

http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/your-budget/2015/06/15/australians-excited-lidl/

To,,,,,,,,shake off a perception they cut quality to deliver lower prices, Lidl stocked a good range of wine and whisky. They stock champagne from Champagne, France for $20. The last word on whisky, Jim Murray, handed the Lidl brand Glen Orchy five year-old whisky a mark of 88.5 out of 100. Over Christmas the brand traditionally broadcasts its aspirations by selling lobster and Spanish Serrano ham cheaply. It famously wowed shoppers by offering caviar for less than two pounds. Australians should be secretly licking their lips at the chance to buy $16 packets of reindeer steaks,,,,,,,,

# ,, l look forward to these dudes turning-up too

I think there is a case for nobody in the country earning more than the PM!

The case is stronger for govt workers since most do not generate any revenue. I notice their very generous Super Scheme has been replaced by the not so generous 15.4% accumulation scheme. It is still much better than most of the country who are on 9%.

Fact is govt workers do not care about efficiency as much as people in the private sector because they do not need to. It used to be the case that govt workers got a lower paid job for increased job security compared to the private sector. Now they are getting both- good salaries and job security.

with only one exception.

Don’t be too hard on yerself yomm, I’m sure you have some redeeming quality

I think the burqa is a symbol of oppression of women.

And the French cops actually oppressing that woman on the beach makes it OK?

WOOHOOO, faster (oops) sooner (oops) cheaper (OOPS!)

And now, even slower. At this rate, we’ll be back to dial up speeds before he years out. Now that’s agile!

More Australians to get slower NBN connections after company ditches some cable upgrades

http://www.news.com.au/technology/more-australians-to-get-slower-nbn-connections-after-company-ditches-some-cable-upgrades/news-story/6448d5406f36e4d9dc9d9e0c87a7a0be

yea malcayman, no wonder you want to root out any whistle blowers.

Sometimes i wish you lefties would just go away and die.

Is this the part where I get all hurt? Or simply accuse you of behaving as an ‘alleged’ lefty?

splatteredass will be upset.

Charming. Is the same widdle Neil who came crying here coz he got his feelings hurt the other day at another blog…?

Well i also got banned from posting which annoyed me more.

But TomR really annoys me. He cannot change from ALP central propaganda. He did not even read the link he posted.

There was some talk about upgrading HFC cables in his link. These are pay TV cables NBNCo purchased rather than duplicating cables into peoples home for internet access. It was too expensive to upgrade so they did not.

If you people want to pay $500/month for internet pay for it yourselves.

More Australians to get slower NBN connections after company ditches some cable upgrades

Did nil read the link?

Did nil understand the link?

Does nil know what “upgrade” means

From the smh

“Despite the fact that it was the Coalition that was happy to see the car industry leave, the Coalition is proposing to cut the meagre unemployment benefit of $263.80 per week that the displaced manufacturing workers will receive by $4.40 per week. That should create a few jobs for them”

Remove their jobs, then remove their safety net, nice one guys

Quite a lot of spittle-flecked bile about (and I don’t think that’s ageist)

“To me a `jerk` is somebody that continually and stridently advocates poverty and associated hardships at home, then seeks `kudos` for minor off-shore quality timber donations, but that`s just me l suppose.”

Yes it is you

Only because you have done fuck all JERK

By the way reb

That arsehole had no problem dragging Mrs Walrus into an argument just over a year ago

No action from you then

Ban me.

But be honest and tell the rest why

He’s a piece of crap

AO you’d be an excellent Elaine!

That would be the most ignorant thing i’ve ever heard

Please, consider the source, and remember, it’s really just business as usual for the poster 😉

I wonder if anybody has changed their mind about anything?

The one that sticks out most for me is probably the same sex marriage issue, which I always considered to be a ‘niche’ issue. I didn’t realise the damage it does cause (along with all the stereo types associated)

Richard Denniss is the chief economist for The Australia Institute,,

Richard Denniss is only a slightly worse liar than Stephen Koukoulas. After all these years the deceit of Labor supporters never ceases to amaze me. Deniss said this

And that’s before the car industry shuts down next year. Despite the fact that it was the Coalition that was happy to see the car industry leave

No Coalition supporter was happy to see the car industry leave. It left for the same reason all our other manufacturing has left.

It is amazing. In the early 1980’s we used to make everything in Australia and now it is all gone. I believe our oil refining capabilities are the next to leave. Apparently we are now going to refine our oil in Singapore and import fully refined petrol.

It is also a security issue. During the next war we are going to ask our enemy to stop fighting while we import the necessary supplies.

“I wonder if anybody has changed their mind about anything?

I have changed my mind about one thing – I underestimated the level of control unions have over the ALP

I’m a sensitive soul, you know and sensitivity seem to be flavour of the month around here.

Fuck Off slpatteredass!

(I’ll help you out with yer creds too, cos I’m just a nice guy 😉 )

As for high flying execs bonuses, I saw recently that one of the items mentioned in the milk wars was that the ceo of (???) had his bonuses tied to the rising price of milk.

Miraculaously, whilst he was there, the price of milk was estimated to continue to rise. Many farmers claim they questioned these outlooks, were told all is good, and invested accordingly.

Then the bottom fell out.

Personally, ‘bonuses’ need a very close look at imo.

Salary cap for executives? How would that work TB?

Do you know exec pay has to be approved at an AGM? And there are significant issues for any board that has the pay recommendation rejected by the owners

So do you propose removimg rhe rights of the owners from.determining exec pay?

So you think FWA can set executive remuneration.

Are you serious?

And if you’ve never seen a company with activist shareholders that have organised rejection of board remuneration proposals, you’re not really up with that stuff

Do the rules around union bargaining set a maximum?

What a lot of partisan crap

Looks like the libs wibble wobbled their omnibus bill

Labor says the Turnbull government has lied about its $6.1bn “omnibus” savings bill, tacking on measures that were not part of the opposition’s costings in the lead-up to the election.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/30/labor-says-coalition-has-lied-and-included-additional-cuts-in-omnibus-savings-bill?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1472515085

It was pretty much expected.

the only way there will be legislative progress on marriage equality is if there is a plebiscite

Or Labor win the next election and just pass it through as almost every other bill is passed in our form of Governance, the same way the current act was passed in fact.

So in you view it’s best to have at least another 3 years of discrimination and marginalisation.

No, it appears to be the view of those who will suffering “another 3 years of discrimination and marginalisation”.

I really don’t have a stake in game. So I’ll go with their opinions on this one.

So the only way there will be progess in this parliament is through a plebiscite

As not only “activists and advocates” but those simply impacted have noted, a plebiscite will not legislate, only allow hate to be sponsored by the state.

If you think spending millions to enable hate speech (why do think they are pushing so hard for 18c right now?) on a plebiscite that so many haters have already said they will ignore, your idea of ‘progress’ differs vastly from mine.

But you keep politically posturing, and ignore those impacted.

The key responsibility of a board is retention of well performing executives.

Shareholders don’t want executive churn in well performing companies.

Poachung of executives is used by some companies to damage their competitors, not simply to recruit the best person for the job.

And that would be a pity.

What, that religious zealouts won’t be subsidised by the public purse to preach more hate?

It would be a pity to allow a political stalemate to delay this for at least 3 years

Considering the haters have already publicly declared that they will ignore the plebiscite, what makes you think having it will change the ‘stalemate’?

And considering these same haters have already lobbied to be excluded from 18c, and now are agitating to remove it, what makes you think running it will be better than the current ‘stalemate’?

And it’s better to get the process out of the way in this term of parliament rather than having bitter types spend 3 or 4 or 5 years campaigning

How many youths will suicide over the 3 or 4 years because of that?

Well I didn’t introduce the cause of suicide, but I might as well pose the question to reb and TB – how many youths will suicide between now and a plebiscite in early 2017 due to a hate campaign?

And how many will suicide between now and (say) 2019/20 when the ALP (maybe) wins an election and has a parliamentary vote, accompanied by an ongoing hate campaign that reaches its peak in 3 or 4 years?

I didn’t introduce the subject of suicide, so maybe if you could quantify the number, in order to support your contention, I’ll let you know.

…but why will there be fewer suicides by allowing this issue to fester for this term and maybe the next?

Did we have a “hate” debate over the Aboriginal Referendum of 1967 ?

leftists can’t appreciate that others might be capable of debating an issue with out the vicious spite and bile that infects leftist discourse.

You understand that blot is allowed to debate as much as he likes about the colour of peoples skins, even after being found to be legally a racist.

Hell, he may even be able to use viscous spite and bile as far as the courts are concerned. Their problem was, he used lies to throw his viscous spite and bile. That’s what brought him undone.

It certainly hasn’t shut him up. It just means that more people are now aware that he is truly, legally, a racist.

Please provide a Link to where the judgement said that.

er, he was found guilty by a court of law of racially vilifying someone. Pretty much the technical term for a racist wally.

And as I said where does the Judge call him a racist ?

So if you breached the Motor Traffic Act

By your logic you should never be allowed to drive. You obviously are a bad driver

I just would like you to carry on Troll.

I’m trying to really dumb it down just for YOU

By your logic you should never be allowed to drive.

You understand that the judge did mention dolt was still allowed to discuss the topic his racism got into trouble for, don’t you?

So even convicted racists are still allowed to discuss topics relating to racism.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to read the judges comments?

Carry On AO 😉