EXCLUSIVE: LNP ECONOMIC PLAN FOR AUSTRALIA REVEALED!
August 30, 2016
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If that was it, I would be happy reb. But considering the omnishambles bill they just tried to sneak(?) through, and morrisons ‘taxed nots’ garbage, their agenda is obviously still, kick the poor.
Is this a part of anything? Anything at all?
Maybe it’s “The Plan”?
The Liberal chairman of the Coalition’s environment policy committee, Craig Kelly, has questioned solar and wind power subsidies and would like a cost-benefit analysis of future emission reductions policy, due to be reviewed next year.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/31/coalition-environment-committee-chairman-takes-aim-at-solar-subsidies
The most positive thing about a Turnabbott Government is that they are all talk and very little action …
As long as the ALP walks behind the Emperor’s Parade and sweeping up the bullshit, all will be well in three years (or less), I suppose … ~(8-D
>>>>>>>>>>> Vote LNP “Part Time Jobs & Greed” <<<<<<<<<<<<
& Greed
Greed is why people vote ALP. The people saw Costello running surplus budgets but wanted the money spent on themselves.
Hence Rudd won govt and then locked up 50,000 people.
The libs REALLY want Labor to take the gloves off it seems.
Of course, the media were all behind yabot doing it, all aghast when Labor mentioned they’d do it.
What will be their reaction now?
The libs REALLY want Labor to take the gloves off it seems.
What? Instead of locking up 8,469 children you want to lock up 20,000 kids?
What next?
An Apology neel … for stuffing up the new parliament … this is all your fault!
TB
You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.
From 2007-2013 the Australian Labor Party locked up 50,000 boat people. 8,469 of those were kids.
No way in a million years would a Coalition govt do something like that.
So the ALP is accepting money from the Chinese again. Maybe the Libs do too.
I find this worrying.
Of course one opinion could be that the Chinese are giving money expecting nothing in return.
Maybe the Libs do too.
ROFL
And Kathy Jackson charged for 70 offences …
How we chuckled …
And Kathy Jackson charged for 70 offences …
Another ALP deadbeat charged. What a surprise
A union official charged with corruption? There must be some mistake.
A union official charged with corruption?
Isn’t this the one the libs held up as a ‘Lion’?
Of course they’d pick the crookest of the lot to side with 😉
“Of course they’d pick the crookest of the lot to side with😉”
There’d be a lot of competition for that title. 😉
Isn’t this the one the libs held up as a ‘Lion’?
Yep, and I waited for the snipes …
A union official charged with corruption? There must be some mistake.
And then …
There’d be a lot of competition for that title.😉
That’s really quite nasty …
It’s like saying all bank executives are crooked …
“That’s really quite nasty …”
Is it?
“It’s like saying all bank executives are crooked …”
Really?
There’d be a lot of competition for that title.
That’s true.
Really … 🙂
That’s true.
Well, you being the expert an’ all … 😉
it would be better if it didn’t have a $107mil error:
$100M error? Rudd/Gillard wasted that amount of money before breakfast most days.
ICAC Baird & Corruption
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/icac-baird-and-corruption-par-excellence,9415
Wow Mike Baird corruption
Tree clearing for the much-needed light rail
Land grabs for WestConnex have created an impression of poor process
On council mergers … the government failed to sell the reforms efficiently”.
What else do you have? NSW is running surplus budgets and is now almost debt free with billions being spent on infrastructure. He did say one good thing
Baird has done one decent thing — the extension of the light rail service on the old goods line in Inner West Sydney from its temporary terminus at Lilifield to Dulwich Hill. The extended line has been successful beyond expectations.
The NSW Liberal govt is a million times better than the Labor govt of Eddie Obeid
Untold: Britain’s dirtiest murder cover-up has become a must-listen podcast
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/jun/22/untold-daniel-morgan-murder-britains-dirtiest-cover-up-has-become-a-must-listen-podcast?CMP=share_btn_tw
…‘This is not a whodunnit,” says Peter Jukes. “It’s a story about the biggest cover-up in the history of British police, and how they got away with it.”
Jukes is talking about his new podcast Untold, which probes the brutal murder of private eye Daniel Morgan in the car park of a south London pub in 1987 – and the three decades of intrigue that followed it. The serial is on its third episode, and is topping the iTunes charts. Morgan’s is the most investigated murder in British history, and yet you probably haven’t heard of it. This is believed to be because the case involves not only the Metropolitan police and private detectives, but also – crucially – the News of the World newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch that would later be at the centre of the phone hacking scandal…
http://www.untoldmurder.com/eps/
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-30/jane-garrett-to-lodge-complaint-over-peter-marshalls-conduct/7799012
Former emergency services minister Jane Garrett will make a formal complaint against the head of the United Firefighters Union Peter Marshall over what she called his “distressing conduct” towards her.
Now let’s watch the union and ALP hacks attack Ms Garrett for making this allegation.
And the ALP barrackers will be condemned by their silence.
The bullying and outrageous behaviour of this union official iis typical of union negotiating tactics
Of course they’d pick the crookest of the lot to side with
Whereas Tom R constantly defends the UFU and misogynist Peter Marshall
The racist fucks at the Human Rights Commission failed to apply their own rules to the accused QUT students:
The mongrels in charge of the HRC should be investigating their own blatantly racist conduct. The fascist abomination that is the HRC should be abolished.
…Now let’s watch the union and ALP hacks attack Ms Garrett for making this allegation…
No, let it all out, it’s the only way to tackle it. If they have behaved as stated, they deserve everything coming to them. I know that politics is a tough game and players seem to feel free to bully and intimidate with impunity but surely employment standards do apply to them too. Clean it all up, on both sides.
UFU and misogynist Peter Marshall
I think you mean ‘alleged’ don’t you yomm.
Andrews also has been accused of similar I note.
Either this is the most misogynistic Government since yabots, or … someones telling porkies.
Considering the ‘side’ making the claims hasn’t been that great with facts to date, I think ‘alleged’ is being nice.
Gottliebsen on the massive changes coming due to Coles decision; including much higher wages
HOW DARE THEY!
(Another Prophet of disaster, who says this ship is lost ♫ ♫ ♫ )
Right. Alleged.
No doubt you’ll defend this misogynist bully as successfully as you defended Craig
RICHARD WOOLCOTT. Do we need a White Paper on Australia’s foreign policy?
http://johnmenadue.com/blog/?p=7571
…A major problem which I see is that we seem to be in a period of fairly intense political and bureaucratic infighting over Chinese activity, especially on the South China Sea. My concern is that there are serious divisions within the Coalition and also divisions within the ALP.
The rise of social media means that it is more likely to attract controversy than was the case with the first 2003 White Paper, with which I was closely involved. I would be happy to put forward views on what I would regard as the obvious needs now for an updated foreign, security and trade policy in the context of the greatly changed world of 2016, and ahead of us…
typical ulman, all about Sam Dastyari and his fully declared $1600 yet ignores Julie Bishop and the obscured half million entirely.
If Labor declared like the libs, no one would have known.
Not that it makes what Dastyari did right, but shows WHY declarations must be made.
their abc is chasing Dastyari a lot over this. Why?
“”their abc is chasing Dastyari a lot over this. Why?””
He’s quite popular and “hip”..
The LNP don’t have anyone in their ranks who can compete with that.
chrissie pyne perhaps reb?
When it comes to mincing Dastyari certainly can’t compete.
When it comes to mincing Dastyari certainly can’t compete.
LINK!
“their abc is chasing Dastyari a lot over this. Why?”
Because he’s a self-righteous, hypocritical knob?
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He’s quite popular and “hip”..
And as dick … what makes him different?
HE SAID SO HIMSELF …
Difference between Sam D and the LNP … they
spendwaste everyone’s time trying to “defend” being a dick!Build a bridge … and get over it!
And yes Sam D WAS a fkn dick! How stupid … how much do we pay these people? $1600?
Duh!
Because he’s a self-righteous, hypocritical knob?
That’s so nasty! But a self description is also apt.
Are you sure?
It is greed that is destroying Australia.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/loy-yang-power-plant-staff-will-receive-a-20-per-cent-pay-rise-over-four-years/news-story/38366b2d2575e61a40d468de8945f6a2
WORKERS at Victoria’s biggest power station will receive a 20 per cent pay rise over four years under recommendations to end a long-running dispute with the militant CFMEU…..They were demanding $180,000 a year for a four-day week, pay to walk to work from a car park, and more generous superannuation entitlements.
Sounds like these guys are getting paid way over $100K/year and want even more. And people wonder why our manufacturing industry has left.
Memo to Malcolm:
Oh……….so you must have broken into this joint Splatter as the “doors were bolted firmly shut” last night and first thing this morning…………………e.g. Site was Shutdown with all Threads closed to comments.
Or was it just your persuasive personality and good character that got you past the “Security”
Looks as if I’ll be in the US on election day. That should be fun!
The Napa Valley I trust ?……with Fifi of course
It is all Neil’s fault: if the stupid mongrel had written a poem of apology this never would have happened.
Yeah that c*nt has a lot to answer for
The rise of Trump
This morning’s NZ earthquake
The Syrian War
You name it and you’ll see his name stamped all over it
It is all Neil’s fault: if the stupid mongrel had written a poem of apology this never would have happened.
I am not going to apologise for not putting my Liberal local member No 1. This person was a Turnbull supporter. Malcolm has talent but he loves himself more than he loves the country.
For the first time in my life I did not put the Liberals No 1. Turnbull caused me to do that.
Glad to see things back to normal reb. Show day here in the sunny state so I didn’t see any of this until now.
A small learning experience perhaps of just what a plebiscite may mean for some people?
Also heard that grubmint wasn’t grubminting last night, Labor were, and would have got a Bank RC up and running if the Greens weren’t as lazy as the libs 😉
I also note that to the msm this is due to the nasty Labor ‘ambushing’ them, whilst ignoring the fact that most of the libs were hightailing back home as quick as they could.
Clock watchers?
The same mongrels who want to hit workers harder and make them work longer hours.
Hypocritical pricks!
lol, and yea, they (the msm) need to be reminded of this repeatedly
“If it happened in our industry, it’s called
‘unlawful industrial action!'”
How about…………………..
If it happened in another industry, it’s called
‘bullying!’
“A major Labor Right-affiliated union is seeking to exempt itself from anti-bullying laws in a bid to counter internal bullying and harassment claims made against a senior official.
The test case brought by the Communications Electrical Plumbing Union, representing electricians, plumbers, postal and telecommunications workers, could potentially exclude major unions from the workplace laws which otherwise cover most employers…..”
“Val Butler is accusing divisional assistant secretary John O’Donnell of bullying and harassing her through phone calls and emails, including allegedly saying “I’m going to get you c–t”……………”
I expect our usual Union apologist to now enter stage Left
http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/union-wants-exclusion-from-fair-work-bullying-laws-20160901-gr6jtt
I expect our usual Union apologist to now enter stage Left
Why would anyone defend bullies?
yea, it’s not just the libs calling it a stunt, the msm have fallen in line too
I don’t know what’s going on around here. I’m doing back to back shifts, I logged on yesterday and the blog was closed tight, I felt a bit down and a little upset, like I do when having an argument with a family member. Today the blog is wide open and you’re all having a party. 🙄
Are you OK reb? That’s the important thing.
…WORKERS at Victoria’s biggest power station will receive a 20 per cent pay rise over four years under recommendations to end a long-running dispute with the militant CFMEU…..They were demanding $180,000 a year for a four-day week, pay to walk to work from a car park, and more generous superannuation entitlements…
Obviously the value accorded to women’s work and worth needs a huge turn around! Half of this society is bludging off the back of the other half!
“Half of this society is bludging off the back of the other half!”
Yes, and our half is not happy about it. 😜
…put it another way – Thursday was parliament’s third day back, after three months off,and Coalition pollies gave themselves an early mark…
Exactly, bloody disgusting, lazy bastards. They think a lobbyist party with grub and drinks provided for their benefit is onerous.
These people need a shake up.
..I am not going to apologise for not putting my Liberal local member No 1. This person was a Turnbull supporter. Malcolm has talent but he loves himself more than he loves the country…
News for you neil, they all do. none of the seat warmers are there for anything but personal power and greed. We should get rid of the lot of them at the next election.
No-one vote!
…Yes, and our half is not happy about it…
haha, nicely done tosy, I was expecting some blowback! 😁
😉
Turnbull & the slackers just got a masterclass
I think we need a site where no one can can call anyone a C@@t or an arsehole or a scumbag just to keep Reb onside
Let’s call it ……………..something just really so inoffensive
I’m thinking
Something really easy to type in
Something really simple
How about …………just about free speech
What about ………
A blog called ……..18C ?
The whole of North Queensland must be 18, see
Or at least s blindly ignorant as wally the 18c@@t
“A major Labor Right-affiliated union is seeking to exempt itself from anti-bullying laws in a bid to counter internal bullying and harassment claims made against a senior official.
It’s like right wingers everywhere in the world are just bullies who throw their weight around, threaten, harass and intimidate others as a way of life. Ugly people, living ugly lives, I’d rather we tighten up all the laws and constrain them even more, not just the unions, do it everywhere, if people can’t behave themselves, piss them off and get them out. Where has all this right wing nastiness and self importance come from?
The whole of North Queensland must be 18, see
Have a look at Nth Qld’s political representation and you get an idea about the people who live there.
the people who live there.
inhabit?
I still remember a kid like wally at the mill daycare I was dropped off at, when my Mum was a wefter int’ mill … seems he never get the sand out of his knickers either …
IMO, this letter writer is still not outraged enough. There’s much more to be angry about and it’s the stealing from taxpayers pockets – who is asked to reduce their lifestyle, pay more and suffer/sacrifice more when corporations refuse to pay their proper taxes?
We’re also talking about greedy shareholders who accept that other people are asked to pay more or suffer more whilst they are receiving the $ that are basically being stolen from them
I see UFU Secretary Peter Marshall regarded gangster Mick Gatto as one of his best mates, but of course Marshall wouldn’t be a bully. NO!
If only the ADF had a union … I wonder if the Security Personnel who “guard” ADF bases are in a union … or is the government beholden to the business they work for via donations?
As a soldier I worked 24/7 -supposedly they still do … (eg worked an eight hour day shift on A Vehicles – Armoured – and then a night guard on Vic Barracks – 1800 hrs – two hours on two hours off until 0600 hrs – then back to base in the morning … and another eight hour day shift on A Vehicles … then home to my wife and child … )
Why pay for CIVILIAN security to “guard” a military facility? Only one reason I can think of – payoff!
The interruption that summed up the government’s woes
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2016/09/02/scott-morrison-sky-news/
…His wrecking manoeuvres extended to being obstructionist in the Senate and trying to hound Labor’s Craig Thomson and the newly-independent Speaker Peter Slipper from office.
Now Labor leader Bill Shorten is using tactics from the same playbook, while its author Tony Abbott enjoys the carnage from the relative safety of the backbench.
Malcolm Turnbull is in the invidious position of reaping what Tony Abbott sowed, and Labor gleefully reminds him of this every time it invokes Mr Abbott’s line about being in office but not in power…
Malcolm Turnbull is losing grip on power, Coalition MPs reveal
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2016/09/02/turnbull-leadership-in-doubt/
Malcolm Turnbull is in the invidious position of reaping what Tony Abbott sowed,
And not being intelligent or intellectual enough to compete with Bill Shorten a much more competent and experienced opponent than Gillard was to Abbott …
TurnAbbott is really – to coin an appropriate Aussie phrase – up shit creek!
Outclass … Outwit … Outplay… Outlast!
MALfunction – Management material? My arse!
History will show that MILLIONS of voters were SLEEPWALKING in 2016!
Even neel woke up for a day at least!
Powerful and touching. The first indigenous woman to be elected to the HoR was sung into parliament by her sister. It moved me to tears.
Pat Dodson defends the older but equally extreme & loony abetz brother to make bad taste speech. wtf votes for these abetz brothers, are they the living example of australia’s fascist leanings/
WA Liberal Peter Abetz ‘bad taste’ on gay marriage: Pat Dodson
http://www.smh.com.au/wa-news/wa-liberal-peter-abetz-bad-taste-on-gay-marriage-pat-dodson-20160428-gohcrj.html
…”There was solidarity and a sense of sensitivity with some of the members walking out, particularly from the National Party and others, so I don’t think it detracted from it at all,” he told reporters.
“You could say it was bad taste but we live in a democracy.
“He just wasn’t on point.
“I just don’t believe you should discriminate against people. We shouldn’t be trying to tell people how they ought to think when you’ve never walked in the shoes that they’ve walked.”
Mr Barnett said he apologised to Professor Dodson for Mr Abetz’s comments after the sitting.
“This was Pat Dodson’s day … and I think it was inappropriate,” Mr Barnett said…
If only the ADF had a union … I wonder if the Security Personnel who “guard” ADF bases are in a union … or is the government beholden to the business they work for via donations?
http://adso.org.au/
http://adso.org.au/latestnews/56-adf-current-issues/448-adf-pay-offer-joint-union-bulletin
…Your three main Defence unions, CPSU, AMWU and PA are united in condemning the unfair ADF pay deal which provides for pay increases of only 1.5% per annum and cuts leave…
How you are being robbed by multinationals:
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/how-you-are-being-robbed-by-multinationals-20160901-gr65ql.html
…The 11.5 million pages recently released in the first tranche of what have become known as the Panama Papers revealed truly shocking global tax avoidance and tax evasion – but they dealt with the behaviour of wealthy individuals and their tax advisers. They did not deal with similar behaviour by multinational corporations and their very highly paid tax advisers. The latter is a much bigger problem…
Saudi Arabian women take to Twitter to demand independence from men
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/social/saudi-arabian-women-take-to-twitter-to-demand-independence-from-men-20160904-gr89cv.html
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Just how many parliamentarians are influenced by religious fairy tales … I wonder?
KL, re bees … thanks for that info …not that we could do much about it if they covertly included it in the mosquito helicopter sprayers that hit the local creeks every year!
Our bees swarmed a couple of weeks ago … around 20,000 left the hive … looks like we have a new queen but won’t know for sure until about two weeks from now … nerve wracking stuff 🙂 … we had nicked 5kgs of honey before they swarmed, quite different to shop bought …
“looks like we have a new queen ”
Alan Jones?
So if Dastyari used the rules beyond reasonable is the problem Dastyari or the rules?
So if Dastyari used the rules beyond reasonable is the problem Dastyari or the rules?
er, both yomm
I cannot fathom what goes on in these peoples minds when they get others to pay their own bills.
It’s a mentality that seems to permeate through the entire collective in Canberra
“It’s a mentality that seems to permeate through the entire collective in Canberra”
Canberra is just one big debating society. No one cares much about good policy. It’s a stageshow that has an Awards night every 3 years with the Awards being an ego stroked and a higher paying salary (as a PM or Minister or via the Committee System)
They play for very high stakes that being personal ingatiating themselves.
Having been there just a few days ago I dont know why we even bother commenting on that pack of c**nts.
I dont know why you even bother commenting on that pack of c**nts.
Fixed it fer ya wally 😉
I was listening to Melbourne ABC this morning.
Red Symons called the canonisation of Mother Theresa “a hall of fame thing”
Hilarious!
Who’s have thought, a media outlet being ‘factually’ incorrect.
Melbourne ABC
That reminds me, I must watch Dumb and Dumber again soon.
Alan Jones?
whoo! you are awful! 😉
Oh, dear … not double standards AGAIN?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/05/workers-have-been-banned-from-calling-out-scab-where-are-the-freedom-senators
double standards AGAIN?
Interested to hear from those freedom speech warriors now hey TB
Why is that double standards TB?
Do you think union officials should have the option of screaming obscene abuse at people that are simply going to work?
Do you think union officials should have the option of screaming obscene abuse at people that are simply going to work?
Speaking for myself, no
But then again, I’m not arguing for ‘free speech’ like some rabid brain deads.
Although, banning ‘scab’ is just pathetic. I can understand banning the obscenities, but ‘scab’, or ‘rat’, really.
What else do you call the scabby rats?
And to be clear, they are actually going to somebody else’s work, not theirs. In fact, they are going to the work of those rightfully (mostly) calling them scabs.
Abusing people that are simply going to work is unacceptable. They didn’t decide to use another maintenance contractor . They just wanted a job.
So if necessary have a crack at the managers that made the decision but this is the very behavior by union zealots that is ugly
Abusing people that are simply going to work is unacceptable.
But they aren’t “simply going to work” though, are they yomm
“they’re driving down others’ wages and conditions for their own benefit.”
The author asks the pertinent question.
“Is it unreasonable to dissuade strikebreakers from destroying hard-won awards? ”
Of course, I’m sure in your closeted world, it would be.
What? Are you suggesting they’re working for less that the award??
Got any evidence to support that?
What? Are you suggesting they’re working for less that the award??
You’re an idiot yomm, where did I (or the author) say that?
“But then again, I’m not arguing for ‘free speech’”
Of course you aren’t. But the issue is harassment, not free speech.
Is it unreasonable to dissuade strikebreakers from destroying hard-won awards?
What does that mean? So you’re not talking about “awards’?
But the issue is harassment, not free speech.
Tell it to 18c
I thought these tools said it was legal to be a bigot? If bigotry isn’t harassment, wtf is?
So you’re not talking about “awards’?
So. Talking about an award is equivalent to saying someone is working for below the award now is it?
Well, maybe in yommland it is
Shall I await either your apology, or link to your claim?
…Canberra is just one big debating society…
I know I’m on painkillers at the moment, but i do agree with wally 😛 😵
Take the dastyari ‘payments’ and times them by every member of the HoR and the Senate and you have the trough mentality that exists between all the MPs, they all do it. Every now and then one of them gets caught and there is a scrum and a pile on, just business as usual until the next time. It was only a month or two ago when their hands were in a plastic bag full of rolex watches, like a lucky dip at a kids party. WTF does that?
Why won’t they agree to a federal ICAC or Integrity Commission?
There would be no more troughs and glittery rivers of ‘gifts’ would dry up or become part of an audit-able record.
Neither party will be the first to agree to one because they are at a financial disadvantage if the other doesn’t go along. It’s a farce and it shows the reckless addiction to power and money that both of them have. If this happened outside of parliament they would both be declared a criminal organisation.
Our pollies have had it too good for too long, the party should be over.
Really? I didn’t notice any mention of “equivalent ” … only “destroying hard won awards”
So what do you mean by these workers destroying hard won awards if they aren’t being paid less that the award? Which award conditions are being “destroyed”?
So what do you mean by these workers destroying hard won awards if they aren’t being paid less that the award?
It’s all about putting downward pressure on wages and conditions isn’t it yomm, which over times, feeds back into the minimum awards and conditions set.
But you know that already, don’t you. It’s kinda your game isn’t it.
I also suppose that’s the closest I’m going to get to an apology too isn’t it.
What a lot of crap. You quote the author talk about “destroying awards”
Then somehow turn “destroying ” into “downward pressure” or something. Do you have some evidence for this “downward pressure”?
What a joke!
Do you think union officials should have the option of screaming obscene abuse at people that are simply going to work?
I don’t believe ANYONE should be allowed to scream abuse at ANYONE … but it seems to happen verbally and … dare I say in writing on blogs!
But I don’t want changes to 18C …
Some people want to make it legal to scream obscene abuse …
Do you?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
But the issue is harassment, not free speech.
Mmmm … removing 18C would it then become free speech? Are you both on the same meds?
Let me get this right (‘scuse the pun) … if you want to “harass” someone its not free speech and must be controlled by law … but if you want to abuse someone’s race, gender, age, colour etc eg anything that they have no control over its is (should be) free speech?
Just askin’ … ?
Do you have some evidence for this “downward pressure”?
lol
Sacking an entire workforce and then trying to rehire them the next day for far less than they were on.
And you want ‘evidence’
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Sacking an entire workforce and then trying to rehire them the next day for far less than they were on.
Its called the “contractor ploy” (shift the duty of care and tax and admin – whoo hoo), ToM … but you knew that … with all your time spent with Unions BOO! and as a consultant and stuff …
Comes from the JBP era of the 70’s … got a lot of infrastructure done that way … along with a rising number of industrial accidents injuries and deaths … but it certainly got the job done …
“Sacking an entire workforce and then trying to rehire them the next day for far less than they were on.
Could be, but is are they “destroying” an award or are they paid above award?
I’m only correcting the incorrect point you repeated, but at least now you’re walking away from it with all the qualifications you’ve put around it.
… but it certainly got the job done …
Which ‘job’ was that TB, the actual infrastructure or the job of driving down the workers entitlements?
Interestingly, with all this talk of ‘taxed-nots’, it doesn’t seem to appear to the morons pushing that line that the main reason for the larger number of people falling into the ‘taxed not’ category simply reflects the growing divide between the well off and the less well off.
This is what happens when Award rates are continued to be pushed down, through actions like what happened at CUB.
I’m only correcting the incorrect point you repeated
No you are not, you are now rambling “but is are they “destroying” an award or are they paid above award?” Is that even Eengleesh?
Of course, to push down an Awards minimum over time, you don’t have to pay under the Award yomm, you just have to lower all the surrounding incomes enough to keep downward pressure on wages. This has the effect of lowering ALL wages, minimum included.
If only there was evidence of that.
Could be, ROFL
Which ‘job’ was that TB, the actual infrastructure or the job of driving down the workers entitlements?
Both … maybe I should have said “jobs” …
Outcomes seem to be more important than the methods to achieve them, to a certain group of people who want to control society …
Let’s call them Robber Barons … 🙂
Mine too, and describes my g/daughter perfectly!
Over the last week I’ve thought about my earlier comments on marriage equality
So, I think the ALP and independents should try to have the parliament make the legislative changes, and if they are successful – that’s great.
If they are not successful, I think they have a duty to support a plebiscite
That’s probably a good compromise, ToM …
The reason I say “probably” is that I struggle with spending $160,000,000 on a plebiscite that no-one has to anynotice of …
The original Marriage Act was changed at the whim of the then PM John “The Little Rodent” Howard … why not now?
Its the “Catholic Senators Effect” (and of course MAL has a foot in the Christian Camp – ‘scuse the pun – too) … this is not about politics or public opinion it’s about the church* crossing the line and dabbling in state matters – again …
*The church has this strange belief that they “own” marriage … a human right.
hahahahhaha
bigot supporter loses bid to keep his secrets.
George Brandis loses legal bid to keep ministerial diary records secret
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/06/george-brandis-loses-legal-bid-keep-ministerial-diary-records-secret?CMP=share_btn_tw
The original Marriage Act was changed at the whim of the then PM John “The Little Rodent” Howard … why not now?
Exactly. Screw these other fops “if we do this, you do that”
It’s a card trick to make you look elsewhere.
Basic equal rights shouldn’t be a populist vote. It’s a RIGHT!
We shouldn’t even be talking about this, least of all paying haterz millions to spout their hate.
They already have that right (as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody)
So Tom R, if the parliamentary vote doesn’t change the act, do you think we should wait for a parliament that will ?
if the parliamentary vote doesn’t change the act
reflect on what you are saying yomm
In how many ways can an act be changed?
should wait for a parliament that will ?
That is the only way it will.
If the majority of both houses of parliament endorse the change, that’s great.
If they don’t and the Liberals will accept the outcome of the plebiscite in this term of parliament and make the consequential amendments, why are you opposed to a plebiscite in those circumstances?
and the Liberals will accept the outcome of the plebiscite
You really need to keep up with events yomm
… the Liberals will accept the outcome of the plebiscite in this term of parliament and make the consequential amendments, …
Link?
Some won’t but many will. So with the support of the ALP etc, the vote would get up. So I struggle to see the problem you have with that approach.
So I struggle to see the problem you have with that approach.
It’s not me who has the problem, it is those who will be victimised for the duration of the hate fest. I’ll support them and their opinion in this.
struggle,,,,with spending $160,000,000 on a plebiscite that no-one has to anynotice of,,,,
# ,, recently the britannia consulate has been hosting on-ground gay-marriage at their boltland location/s for britannia/aussie couples ,, ,, keep that in mind
# ,, the boltland `gay-lobby` SHOULD be squeezing the boltland-premiers nuts to cut a `deal` with the britannia consulate, the `deal` being allowing aussies to become `britannia-citizens` for say 72-hours (then revoking/canceling) just long enough to allow `marriage` and associated `paper-work` to be done, for a larger `fee` gay-newly-weds could opt for the 6-week `honeymoon-package` which includes `visas`. The gay-lobby leadership need to get on the front foot tho, and either innovate or be innovated on.
# ,, now wouldn`t making boltland the pink-marriage capital be great, with the added bonus of all the unhinging of kanberra teabags (-:
So I struggle to see the problem you have with that approach.
As well you might! Quick answer – I don’t trust the Liberal Party to tell the truth … want some linkS … ?
As I said why bother … John Howard did it with a quick few seconds of writing …
What’s changed?
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tbagz … the UK “marriage” (and subsequent revoke) would not be recognised in Australia … the Oz Act refers to the “marriage between a man and a woman” … only …
Sam Dystari was foolish in so many ways …
But watching the LNP try to make him a scapegoat for what they all do, must be hilarious for anyone who actually understands Australian hybrid American Republican politics …
The government can’t make any traction in Parliament and an Opposition Senator that constantly makes them and their supporters look foolish gets the “political – play the man, not the ball” – makeover … Leigh Sales in the journo pack ? Now that’s something to question, surely?
I can just see the banking and financial INDUSTRY directing the MALfunction Party in what to do with Dastyri … as they dig their own hole deeper … giving BIG BUSINESS more control over what the LNP (think) they control …
It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so fucking serious!
Suffer the little children … ?? ?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/06/paedophile-marist-brother-asked-mother-if-boy-left-suicide-note-inquiry-told
missing the point, try keeping up, after recent stupidity in canoeland of shitty treatment of gay couple in tragic (and fatal) circumstances, canoeland now recognizes `fully` gay partnerships (both `defacto` and married) and `rights` at the state-level, while you lot were waffling about firemen, boltland followed suit, so really `gay-rights` are equal at the state-level for canoeland citizens, but not at teh-federal, more correctly,
,,,,(and subsequent revoke) would not be recognised in,,,,kkkanberra
there is the opportunity for innovation and leadership to be had, neither will come from inside the `kkkanberra-bubble`, outside the bubble many things are possible
Nothing to see here
Firefighter stoush: Secret report for CFA reveals anti-union ambitions
The Country Fire Authority commissioned a secret report that recommends thwarting the union presence in the organisation, abolishing its influence over decisions and hiring firefighters on non-union individual contacts.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/firefighter-stoush-secret-report-for-cfa-reveals-antiunion-ambitions-20160905-gr9dtc.html
Goes some way to explain why the CFA keeps agreeing and then reneging on the eba. It’s all about Union bashing.
Although, that became apparent once the libs got involved.
What are you on about? The CFA is under attack by an uncompromising union and they get some legal advise about their legal options
Is there a problem with anyone understanding their legal options? Are you seriously suggesting that a union or employer should remain unaware of their legal rights?
“Are you seriously suggesting that a union or employer should remain unaware of their legal rights?”
Settle down ToM,
Just remember the old saying…………………..
“Never argue with an Idiot as eventually you will find yourself arguing at their level whereupon they will always win based on years of experience”
“Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time!
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money!”
“But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise,………”
Yeah that me alright
“…………there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time!…….”
So that’s where the Tax Office sends the guilty.
TomR’s house
Is there a problem with anyone understanding their legal options? .. in respect to curtailing the coverage of Unions to protect employees.
You forgot to finsih the sentence yomm 😉
So that’s where the Tax Office sends the guilty.
I prefer to call them ‘the prayed-nots’ 😉
yesterday we heard from the former (ALP appointed) CEO of the CFA that the agreement was a crock, also the current CEO of the MFB.
But Tom R just knows that the agreement is a great one, and will promote world peace! And end poverty!
There is no one in any position of credible operational authority that is supporting this agreement.
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There is no one in any position of credible operational authority that is supporting this agreement.
Because they are interested in their own personal POWER rather than the professionalism of the ——– firefighting professionals …
It’s like wally and the CPA* … fighting a bunch of book-keepers, who wanted to be accounting consultants … without the appropriate knowledge and skills FFS!
Only difference being that the FFU are willing to work with the book-keepers …
Your counter claims, TOM, are tainted by 10 long years (minimum) of unions BOO!
And the fact that the Federal Government has popped in to stir the pot makes it obvious that elimination of the unions is centremost to any reality check by the LibNits concerning firefighting safety for union members and volunteers … management never give a flying fuck about OH&S unless it saves ’em a quid … especially government management … or in the case of MALfunction mismanagement …
There is no one in any position of credible operational authority that is supporting this agreement.
Except of course for those integrated stations that this eba actually affects. They don’t have a problem with it. You can’t get closer to “credible operational authority” than that.
And, the more you hear about Garrett, the worst she sounds.
After months of spinning its contents, Garrett finally released the report of the Fire Services Review on the 16th of March 2016. As firefighters had hoped, the report reflected what had actually been going on: morale had been driven to its “lowest in decades”, due to a “fundamental disconnect between the senior management and operational firefighters” that had become an “almost uncrossable chasm” in the case of the MFB. While acknowledging that there was blame on all sides, the Review pointed the finger squarely at the abovementioned “deliberately ideological attack on the UFU” as the driver of hostilities and destroyer of morale.
View at Medium.com
shimples!
“It feels like wave after wave of the kids dying from the 1970s until now,” he said.
Trying to comprehend the brutality, fear, sadism and sexual assaults that were dealt out to children in care, it’s still happening today though, we’ve got kids in adult jails, kids brutalised in detention and in our designed-to-crush-the -human-spirit, off shore gulags.
How can we keep on allowing it? What kind of society are we?
On the Drum tonight they talked about john howard and his 50’s view of women [shared by tony abbott] and the ‘deep ideology’ against quotas or affirmative action for more women running through the liberal party.
The real problem with John Howard’s comments about women in parliament
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/the-real-problem-with-john-howards-comments-about-women-in-parliament/news-story/2af743b1d802de50916a11082d8f9d5c
…FORMER Prime Minister John Howard threw an apparently sexist cat among the Twitter pigeons today. Speaking at the National Press Club in Canberra, Howard was asked about the poor representation of women in the 45th parliament.
He said: “I’m not sure you will ever have a 50-50 thing because it is a fact of society that … there (are) still women playing a significantly greater part of fulfilling the caring role in our communities, which inevitably place some limits on their capacity … It is not a terrible thing to say, it just happens to be the truth.”
It was a “face palm” moment…
This is not a problem of attitudes held by generations past.
This is a problem of the now…
They could try some sleuthing with julie bishop’s donations [ever wonder why she is untouchable?] and the money that goes through IPA and bernardi. How long was parakeela of interest?
http://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace-relations/abc-staff-to-vote-on-first-strikes-in-a-decade-20160907-gralen.html
Hundreds of staff at the ABC will vote on launching industrial action for the first time in 10 years, including potentially large-scale strikes that could disrupt programming.
ABC strikes inevitable, KL … don’t they have a new boss?
Imagine if all those pesky unions were finally eradicated!
Oh! What fun the Robber Barons* would have!
Should we call them “Elites” now? Nah! Makes the bastards sound special!
” firefighting professionals … “
You mean greedy union cunts. I’d much rather have volunteers defend my property in fire season. They are well trained and they are there for the right reason.
What sort of relationship did Shanghai Sam have with the Chinese that he could just tell them to pay his bills, or ask them for $40k?
Until he explains this he has no place in public life. But then that is how things go down in Unionland!
How good would it be if the ABC workers go on strike forever!
And right on cue … shadowtroll turns up …
I can’t help thinking that some of the comments are made while waiting at Centrelink …
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They are well trained and they are there for the right reason.
A closet commie! … let’s all work as volunteers then …
As Gene Roddenberry envisaged …
“How good would it be if the ABC workers go on strike forever!”
LOL
That’s exactly what I thought.
Like who is going to notice except the vile Left of the Twitterati ?
No one else gives a fuck.
“Until he explains this he has no place in public life.”
Next time he aggressively questions someone about anything allegedly shadowy they’ll simply retort………..
“How can you of all people ask that with a straight face”
He’s pretty much finished in his “inquisitorial” roles
Looks like two – faced tony, the former minister for indigenous and we’ll known supporter of himself doing little things for aboriginals for a week every year, has done it again. Shown his true colours.
I wouldn’t believe a word he or the lying rodent say ever.
How come rodent is crawling all over the place anyway? Is he the PM in disguise?
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-08/conservatives-lock-in-against-treaty-with-indigenous-australians/7825298
Journalists congratulating themselves on Dastyari.
Exactly. After massolas latest load of bullshit abot “he ‘may’ have briken ALP rules” (he didn’t by the way. It’s clear Dastyari stepped down for one reason, to try and get the collectives attention back on real issues.
Yes, lets’ see how interested they are in Bishop, or brandis, or … what about $60k for a degree? Bloody silence. actually, worst than that, hunting down the whistle blower.
I’d much rather have volunteers defend my property in fire season.
As long as they don’t collapse half way through because yomms chosen supplicants of “credible operational authority” poisoned their arses!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFA_Training_College,_Fiskville
In May 2016 the inquiry found that the firefighter’s claims were justified, and that CFA management had knowingly used dangerous practices and been aware of the contamination for some time
Yea, these are the ones who are secretly hiring Union busting lawyers and spreading lies about what is in the eba. Who comes first? Not the bloody volunteers, that’s for sure.
c’mom journos, stop patting each other on the back in a pathetic display of gutter journalism and go after the big targets. Yea, thought not.
“Jon Faine mentioned this morning that Julie Bishop also received pearls and other things apart from donation from Chinese business…..”
I dont know if she did or didn’t but did she actually ask for them (just as Shanghai Sam asked for payments to be made) and did she then give a speech differing from her party’s own policy.
I’ll just wait here patiently for a Link
I’ll just wait here patiently for a Link
You and me both wally, you and me both.
But then, that’s really the problem, isn’t it 😉
Yes, well
Since Arthur Sinodinos set the benchmark for soliciting funds for personal gain, malfeasance in office and ‘cant remember nuffing’ nobody should be getting questioned about funding or asking for funding.
nobody should be getting questioned about funding or asking for funding.
I understand that was in jest AO, but really, what Dastyari did doesn’t pass any test, sniff, pub, or simple decency.
But, on the scale of what others get up to, it’s such small biccies. Why go after him so hard and long and relentlessy.
WordUp in the Twit terateri is …. banks.
They wanted him gone, along with the banking RC
Let’s see who steps up to fill his shoes, and see what treatment they get.
Oh I see, the dirt unit again. Yes, it figures, the coalition doing the banks (political) assassination for them.
A normal day’s work for that pack of hyenas called the Liberal Party.
How come rodent is crawling all over the place anyway? Is he the PM in disguise?
Exactly what I thought, KL! In fact “said” to The Minister at lunch!
As for Dystari … he was a twit … admitted to being a twit … resigned from the front bench … and destroyed a good opportunity to stick it to banks (couple of which, have between them, had to pay back 49 million in fees!)
But the LibNits can’t help themselves … its like watching a pack of hyenas … the story is dead, gone, won’t come alive ever again …
What is interesting is LibNit pollies attacking Dystari while at the same time hiding their own hands in pockets, snouts in troughs and under the table and DEFENDING foreign donations …
FFS! Just how stupid do pollies think Australians are … if someone gives you a donation its not because they have spare cash!
Even people who donate to the church expect “good works” to come from it!
Fucking HYPOCRITES all!
“WordUp in the Twit terateri is …. banks.”
The high altar of the Lunatic Left !
Of course they have the evidence to back up that allegation ……………of course.
The bees will be going … !
The Minister was hospitalised for a couple of nights a few weeks ago, when she passed out sitting at her computer – lots of tests and no answers (we initially thought it may have been some cream she was using for skin cancer) … she’d been stung on the finger that morning, tho’ at the time not considered …
… yesterday she was stung on the forehead and spent the next 1/2 hour in the recovery position in the back garden! Proof positive – bee sting.
She’s had a few stings before (three in one hit on one occasion) and no problem but something has obviously changed (still thinking the cream) …
Anyhoo! Luckily we know a professional bee-keeper and he’s visiting tomorrow!
Really interesting for the last twelve months.
The hive has also swarmed twice this month and I don’t think suburbia is the place for hives.
We did harvest 10 kilos but the price was way too high!
The life learning continues.
Of course they have the evidence to back up that allegation ……………of course.
Your kidding surely?
You’re … just in case … 🙂
Not that anyone noticed
Just what did the government bully boys expect … protection by the media?
The efforts to eradicate both the unions and the ABC tell a story that is pretty obvious … and its the nasty ones who put their heads up … PING!
TR, Sam may have ignited a short fuse … wonder what the meejya won’t do?
People in glass houses …?
JULIE BISHOP personally received free ipad. Airfares & accommodation From Chinese corporation
I would think there is a big difference. It looks like politicians get gifts all the time. Rudd received stuff like that. I remember Abbott gave Obama a surfboard. As long as it is declared everything should be fine.
Dasterdly asked the Chinese to pay his bills. I think that is a big difference. And this is after he publicly supported Chinese foreign policy which lots of countries disagree with. And it was also against ALP policy.
Where will it end? I see Abbott and the rodent have decided to play games while turnbull is away. The rodent is always looking ahead to stymie any possible progressive action on aboriginal australians getting a treaty with white australia. Also trying to protect the corporate liberal donors from scrutiny or being stopped. Meanwhile that organisation of bernardi’s has been set up as a huge protection racket for liberal party donors.
Yeah!!! Sam was so transparent he asked people to pay his bill!!
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Currently in Lerth, as if Brisbane isn’t bad enough
sssh, I hope I have provided the correct attributes for these cut & pastes
[Bernard Keane, Crikey $wall]
If donations are a sackable offence, here are eight more pollies who should have gone
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/09/08/eight-people-who-should-have-resigned-like-dastyari/
If we’re going to start pinging politicians who break no donations laws but behave “unethically” then there are plenty who could have resigned already.
The Coalition and some in the media (where there is gloating about their role in his resignation, even though the mainstream media relies on political donations, channelled into political advertising spending, to prop up their businesses) insist that it’s somehow different that Dastyari had a bill paid by a donor. That appears to assume that money given for one purpose somehow magically can’t be used for a different purpose — cash is funny like that.
Or is it that Dastyari — though he denies this — appeared to adjust his position on the South China Sea to suit that of his donors? In which case, what about the Liberals receiving millions from the big banks and protecting them from a royal commission and trying to dismantle the Future of Financial Advice reforms? Or Labor receiving millions from manufacturing unions and trying to prop up manufacturing? Once you admit that donations can influence policy positions, there seems an awful lot of it about.
But even if we don’t know exactly what the new standard is, rest assured that someone else is going to come under the same pressure as Dastyari, because there was plenty of worse behaviour under the old standard than that of the junior senator from NSW, and the sums involved have a lot more zeroes in them…
…Tony Abbott, Stuart Robert and Ian Macfarlane: All three were given Rolex watches worth tens of thousands a pop by Chinese billionaire Li Ruipeng in the lead-up to the 2013 election, and kept them, claiming they thought they were fake and only worth a few hundred dollars. Macfarlane spoiled the giggle when he was told they were genuine and they had to return them.
Andrew Robb: Robb led the charge against Rudd over Beijing Aust-China in 2008, but his fundraising body accepted $100,000 from Chinese businessman Xiangmo Huang while Robb, as trade minister, was negotiating Australia’s trade deal with China. Hypocrisy, much?
Brian Loughnane: as federal director of the Liberal Party, Loughnane oversaw the acceptance of three massive donations to the Liberal Party from one of the UK’s most famous tax exiles, Michael Ashcroft — $1 million in 2004, $250,000 in 2010 and $250,000 in 2013. Did Ashcroft’s donations encourage the Liberals to resist efforts to improve global tax transparency?
And what about donations from domestic sources? Where were the resignations here?
Bill Shorten: Right before Bill Shorten’s appearance before the trade union royal commission, the Victorian branch of the ALP suddenly remembered a donation to Shorten from eight years before, of what turned out to be nearly $70,000. Eight years is now the new all-time record for late disclosure and looks set to be the record for many years to come.
Tony Abbott (again): It wasn’t eight years, but in 2014, Tony Abbott’s fundraising body made a disclosure four years late of donations to the NSW Liberal Party. Like Shorten, there were no consequences for the failure.
Arthur Sinodinos: Stood down while Australian Water Holdings was investigated, ‘Alf-a-Recollection Artie “I don’t recall”ed his way through his Independent Commission Against Corruption evidence and claimed not to know that the company of which he was a director didn’t donate to the party of which he was treasurer. He’s now a cabinet minister again. Sinodinos was also copied in to emails about the use of Free Enterprise Foundation donations to the Liberal Party and mentioned in the NSW Electoral Commission’s report on the use of the FEF to get around NSW donation bans, but unsuccessfully tried to get the NSWEC to omit him from the report. It’s OK, Arthur — if your ICAC evidence is any guide, you’ll soon forget this indignity.
Honourable mentions: the WA Liberals accepting donations from Chinese businesses with no interests in that state and the federal ALP for taking $850,000 from a mainland Chinese property developer just before the 2013 election.
But apart from Shorten’s and Abbott’s respective state branches, no one in any of these cases did anything in any way illegal or inconsistent with the relevant electoral laws — although the use of the FEF remains subject to a dispute between the NSW Liberals and the NSWEC (Simon McInnes of the NSW Liberal Party stood down in March). And in nearly every case, Dastyari’s $1600 bill is a pittance compared to the sums involved. But if we’re going to start imposing some sort of ethical test in the absence of real reform, then look out for some turnover in politics…
[Josh Taylor, crikey $wall]
GetUp gears up to go after ‘low-hanging fruit’ of political donations
https://www.crikey.com.au/2016/09/08/getups-new-strategy/
GetUp’s new strategy will target four core areas: human rights, economic fairness, environmental justice, and democratic reform. And political donations might be first cab off the rank.
…“We’ll be pushing those politicians that are in marginal seats to hold them to account. We’re keeping a very close eye on politicians that have got elected, or are new to parliament to hold them to make sure they are actually representing their communities,” he said…
…In the area of economic fairness, GetUp is working with tax experts from UTS to work out what equitable policies it can push, such as superannuation tax reforms, and closing tax loopholes. GetUp is still working out its approach to democratic reform, but a ban on foreign donations and more transparency over donations are “low-hanging fruit” (particularly now), as well as working for changes so people can enrol to vote right up until and on election day…
…“I want us to be a large social movement who can wield real political influence. The right, despite the fact in the majority of cases the policies they push are not something the majority favour, are seeing many more successes on the policy front. I think the scale is a big challenge for us, how do we give more agency to people over who is selected in their local seat or the makeup of our parliament generally.”…
AO
My first thought and i could be wrong is that you are insane. Politicians get gifts all the time and there is nothing they can do about it.
Dasterdly went and asked the Chinese to pay his bills. If you cannot see the difference you are in need of help. The money was not for the ALP but for himself.
Not against the rules as they exist, but is it ethical to charge the taxpayer for expenses when you get invited to a personal function eg weddings, parties etc and what about political fundraising events, bike rides and personal fitness events, shouldn’t they be prepared to put their hand in their pocket for some of their personal expenses. I think people want to be a politician because they know they are on a lifetime gravy train. Heaps of money and additional add-ons for very little effort.
Perhaps the inviter should offer to cover the expenses of the invitee – or will that be unacceptable to our pollies who are used to living it up like celebrities on taxpayers money? The corporations could deduct the cost of the pollie from the planned party donation.
Perth. I am becoming Catching Up?
I don’t think you ever will, ToM … 🙂
…Politicians get gifts all the time and there is nothing they can do about it.
They can knock them back or make some rules around gift giving etiquette eg all gifts are official, not personal gifts and can be no more than a certain token value eg $100.00.
Expensive ‘gifts’ from political donors are not gifts, they are bribes for expected favours and access or a thanks for favours rendered aren’t they?
The pollies are not meant to be in the job for personal graft or presents, don’t they do it all for their devotion to public service? Public servants [most] have very clear rules around gifts and codes of conduct. These MP’s are supposed to be our very top public servants, supposed to have exemplary standards and uphold the values and principles of public service. It’s not a corporation and australian pollies should stop behaving like celebrities or CEO’s/executives of ‘corporate australia’ and the wealthy elite and get back to being public servants, keep their feet on the ground and stop trying to tear down the public service and the people who provide it for them, it’s a culture thing.
…Dasterdly went and asked the Chinese to pay his bills. If you cannot see the difference you are in need of help. The money was not for the ALP but for himself.
And he still did not break any of their official rules did he? [I know the rules are deliberately elastic and virtually unbreakable]
I see no difference in abbott accepting a $60,000 education gift for a daughter from a company that lobbies for [and gets] changes to legislation that they then profit from and dastyari asking for a payment [which is equally wrong]
How many degrees of ethicality can the liberal party supporters split their black & white, biased thinking into? Talk about cognitive dissonance – it should be the party’s motto, something catchy like ‘The Home of the Hypocrites’