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October 8, 2016

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Brought to you by dinner at the reb household…

Me:  “I won’t get all political”

Me: *half a bottle of red later*

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2016 2:11 pm

    Two women have reportedly been arrested in the outskirts of the southern Malaysian city of Johor Bahru on charges of violating Shariah codes on same-sex sexual activity

    Someone should have told these men (who no doubt went to private schools) to be more sensitive about Malaysian culture

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2016 7:11 pm

    You’ll be pleased to know (I hope) that my rellies from the UK think that what they have seen so far, Oz is “wonderful” (you really need to get out of the GC and Brissy when you visit, ToM – confidentially* I avoid both cities unless REALLY necessary!) … they’re in Cairns right now … back here next week, then off to Sydley* … and we will meet in Sids and the visit a very secret place …

    BTW, ToM, unless something has changed the last time I checked Brisbane was the biggest metropolitan area in the country … guess where I live! 🙂

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2016 7:13 pm

    Whoa! Just saw your last post, ToM!

    Women? or Men? (Just curious)

    I’m guessing here – which private school did you attend?

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 8, 2016 9:38 pm

    Whoa! Just saw your last post, ToM!

    I can’t understand it. Please explayne!

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 8, 2016 9:56 pm

    Pity your government dared the car manufacturing industry to leave Australia

    More lies from ALP supporters. Ford announced they were leaving under Gillard. But lefties should be happy. No more carbon polluting manufacturing

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-27/maccallum-ford-closure/4714806

    Another kick in the guts for Julia Gillard and her government: Ford is to close its Australian manufacturing operation, putting some 1,200 employees out of work with further spin offs for suppliers and for the city of Geelong.

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2016 10:00 pm

    KL,

    Quote … “”” Two women have reportedly been arrested … “””

    ToM … “””” Someone should have told these men … “””

    (I “think he meant” … ladies … )

    As for my … “”” I’m guessing here – which private school did you attend?”””

    Tom’s been very “defensive” of private school “boys” in their 20/30’s!

    Remember he pays more tax than 90% of Australians … can’t be a 1%er – Elite tho’ … they don’t pay any tax …

    .

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 8, 2016 11:54 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-27/maccallum-ford-closure/4714806

    There is little doubt Ford’s decision to close its Australian plants will be blamed on Julia Gillard.

    No Mungo. Ford closing is being blamed on the current govt who were not in power when Ford announced they were going to leave.

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2016 7:00 am

    “Grab them by the pussy!”

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 8:55 am

    No that wasn’t a mistake. it was sarcasm.
    A response to all the prattling about the underwear incident being indicative of white male privilege (from private schools at that)
    People in their 20s are prone to behave like that and it isn’t really limited to Australian males from private schools
    Anyone that thinks that has really had a particularly isolated existence

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2016 9:16 am

    Me too, after all, that’s why he was there.
    I expect him to reappear sooner though.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2016 9:55 am

    No that wasn’t a mistake. it was sarcasm.

    Was it?* ?

    People in their 20s are prone to behave like that and it isn’t really limited to Australian males from private schools

    True .. but not all are from very privileged families who consider themselves above the cattle class … had it been one of my lot:

    1. In their 20’s or 30’s they couldn’t afford to be there
    2. Would have been briefed on the risks in foreign countries
    3. Would have relied on DFAT for help – most Aussies are right out of that loop and DFAT employ local staff (I experienced their “assistance” in PNG)
    4. They would have ended up in jail!
    5. Certainly wouldn’t have access to a senior Federal Minister.
    6. And certainly would not have a fast track career

    Build a bridge

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 10:15 am

    Had it been your lot…who knows?

    Anyone that can afford an interstate holiday in Australia can afford one in Malaysia, the airfares are cheap and the accommodation is far less than here.

    Going to a particular school has nothing to do with it.

    With regard to the cultural insensitivity of those privileged white males from private schools – I wonder how many of the bogans that rioted at Cronulla a few years ago were from private schools

    …and how many of all those Queensland bogans that vote for Pauline Hanson are from private schools

    But I agree with you on this TB – you really do need to build a bridge.

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 10:17 am

    Re affordability – currently the RETURN airfare to KL is less than $500, so what’s that about “couldn’t afford to be there”?

  14. October 9, 2016 10:54 am

    Of course, Australians wouldn’t find anything offensive at all if a group of Muslim women decided to turn up to the Melbourne Cup wearing the full Burqa.

  15. October 9, 2016 11:00 am

    “Going to a particular school has nothing to do with it.”

    It has everything to do with it.

    It was clearly orchestrated and premeditated. And the type of behaviour that characterises the sense of boorish entitlement that typifies the born to rule investment classes.

    It’s a generations old tradition of the wealthy to go ‘slumming it’ to poor neighbourhoods. Not a lot has changed.

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 11:33 am

    I have no idea. I’ve never seen any women in a burqa at the Cup, why do you think they would be arrested and locked up for 4 days?

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 11:45 am

    Yes, look at all those private school boys!

    http://dylan-zd.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/beach-party-lost-world-of-tambun.html

    And yet there is still no sensibility for that Malaysian cultural event where the Budgie 9 misbehaved – A CAR RACE is so full of culturally sensitive types.

  18. October 9, 2016 11:52 am

    “do you think they would be arrested and locked up for 4 days?”

    Not necessarily, but I think there’s a pretty good chance it would make the front page of the Tele and have Pauline Hanson screeching that our way of life is under threat, don’t you think?

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2016 12:00 pm

    The ‘boys’ were all closer to 30 than 20 yrs. One was a staffer to Pyne – shouldn’t he have had some idea about diplomacy abroad or at the least, how to get info? Now it seems he has lost his job (and immediate career plan) because of stupidity.

    They planned to make an impact and they did. At least they appeared a bit contrite when confronted with the consequences of their actions.

    I doubt they are worried, the dads will fix everything for them. They got the top lawyers straight away. That’s just what you do isn’t it?

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 12:09 pm

    Yes, at Malaysian grand prix cultural sensitivity is critical – everyone is so devout!

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 12:12 pm

    Yep!! All those people at a car race would have been really offended by some yobbos in speedos! Because car races are all about cultural sensitivity!

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 12:22 pm

    They were all on their 20s and I really don’t think the event was indicative of anything other than there being a yobbo element in all demographics

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 12:26 pm

    And if Anwar Ibrahim had been more “culturally sensitive” he might not have been gaoled!!

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  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 1:46 pm

    Yes! There’s a photo of young men behaving like bogans at an event designed for bogans – it’s a CAR RACE!

  27. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2016 1:53 pm

    People in their 20s are prone to behave like that and it isn’t really limited to Australian males from private schools

    Yea, but these are from the young libs incubator. You know, the ones who want to ban certain dress codes from our country because ……….?

    But they are quite happy for their little sychofants to run around the world inflicting our dress code on them, even those who have laws against it.

    It’s called hypocrisy yomm.

    I mean, I recall a certain nobody who gave a certain ranga no latitude at all for the “I was younger then” defense.

    Which seemed fine on the surface, until something like this exposes tehir …. what’s that word I’m lookinng for?

    I’m also not sure how pictures of fully clothed women WITHOUT the Malaysian flag hugging their little flag poles has anything to do with what the young Burqa ban party libs were up to

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 1:57 pm

    When Julia Gillard claimed to be “young and naive” she was in fact about 35 and a partner is a major law firm.

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 9, 2016 2:03 pm

    Yea, but these are from the young libs incubator.

    Really? We know one of them was but what about the other 8?

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 2:06 pm

    So we have a bunch of men in their 20s, at a car race (with grid girls who are dressed just like… grid girls) who show their speedos. But the car race is apparently some showcase of Malaysian culture.

    Somehow these people are ostracised as “insensitive white privileged males who went to private schools” and this is regarded as serious social commentary by some in the left.

    Bizarre in the extreme

    Were the bogans in the Cronulla riot privileged white males that went to private schools? Or all the Queensland dills that vote for Pauline Hanson? Or Clive Palmer?

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2016 2:44 pm

    Chuckle – Cronulla is in NSW … ToM … (we do agree that they were bogans tho’)

    Ostracised … nope … but we do expect more from aspiring community leaders and government advisers …

    Desperate arguments for desperate times … even our fearless Liberal Leader said they were a bunch of Fuckwits™ … or would have in bogan language, as you would know …

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/togs-out-for-the-boys-togs-out-for-the-boys?utm_term=.mePJVpoLW#.htB2rjRm4

    I get the impression you don’t quite understand what “privileged upbringing” means*… I suppose if you believe its all rights and no responsibility … wot mor kan i say …?

    *to the rest of us 49%ers …

  32. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2016 2:48 pm

    When Julia Gillard claimed to be “young and naive” she was in fact about 35 and a partner is a major law firm.

    And one is about 28 and a member of chrissie pynes office

    What’s yer point. Only Labor people can be young and stupid? Others are just typical ockers?

    Were the bogans in the Cronulla riot privileged white males that went to private schools?

    No, they’re just bogans , who “insensitive white privileged males who went to private schools” love to denigrate as ‘bogans ‘ due largely to their behaviour (and bank balance of course)

    Turns out they’re just the same (except with white privilige to protect them when they BREAK A LAW!)

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 2:58 pm

    Right so being in your mid 30s is the same as being 28?

    And calling the wearing of speedos at a bogan event – a case of the sense of entitlement of privileged white males who went to private schools- this is serious social commentary by left types!!???

    Amazing!!

  34. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2016 3:04 pm

    Right so being in your mid 30s is the same as being 28?

    Pretty much. Of course, seems the discerning difference to you is the political persuasion, not they few years counted on a hand.

    this is serious social commentary by left types

    More a statement of the bleedin obvious, which you are refusing to acknowledge.

    Bogans are denigrated, rightly, for bogan behaviour, but white privileged liberal incubators need to be given a pass because ……………. your turn yomm

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 3:07 pm

    No I’ve called them bogans. That’s the difference- i think bogans exist across all demographics

    But the left seem to have various sub categories of bogans

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 3:09 pm

    35 is 25% older than 28.

    People generally mature with the passing of the years… but maybe not in your world Tom R

  37. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2016 3:16 pm

    35 is 25% older than 28.

    Not to a 65 year old

    Of course, a 10 year old is 25% older than an 8 year old. Easy game to play for someone 25% older than you are today yomm 😉

    But the left seem to have various sub categories of bogans

    Actually, that was kinda what I pointed out you were doing.

  38. October 9, 2016 3:55 pm

    “35 is 25% older than 28.”

    You’re really clutching at straws now.

    lol..

    LOL

  39. October 9, 2016 3:57 pm

    We should however, pause to remember that YoM has been a long-standing defender of the budgie smuggler, however I was up until now, convinced that it was fairly limited to “on water operations.”

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2016 4:35 pm

    Chuckle … its only been a few days away from TGT( entertaining my rellies) but I’d begun to forget how some of these freds just burble along …

    Anyhoo, back to running the boarding house and operating the one day SUV tours pretty soon.

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2016 4:48 pm

    …however I was up until now, convinced that it was fairly limited to “on water operations.”…

    LOL

    Very entertaining to read this after my day at work!

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2016 4:51 pm

    Now to watch Insiders, it must be close to wine time, days off tomorrow TGIF

    haha, still laughing at tomM’s posts 😆

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 4:52 pm

    So given that this is how the Malaysians see “culture” at their grand prix, exactly whose sensitivities are being offended?

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2016 5:11 pm

    Are you saying that malaysians have no right to take offence at anything foreigners do in their country? How dare they decide for themselves!

  45. October 9, 2016 5:19 pm

    “How dare they decide for themselves!”

    I know!

    Just like how YoM was blathering the other day about how gay people really ought to feel about the plebiscite.

    LOL

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 5:20 pm

    I’m suggesting that feigned outrage by the left here about the behavoiur of bogans at a car race is stupid

  47. October 9, 2016 5:25 pm

    That’s right, these so-called “Malaysians” should just “suck it up” when Australia’s investment class bogans decide to strip down to their undies, ridicule the Malaysian flag and get pissed at the same time.

    It’s not “our fault” they can’t see the funny side.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 5:29 pm

    Yeah! The Malaysians can get offended by whatever they like – they get offended when Paul Keating called their PM a recalcitrant

    They got very offended when foreigners had the audacity to report that a $1,000,000,000 political donation had found its way in to the private back account of their Prime Minister!

    And they got really annoyed and offended when some other countries objected to the prosecution of Anwar Ibrihim on false sodomy charges, and he was gaoled for years.

    Yep, those Malaysians law makers are sensitive and we need to be careful never to offend them.

  49. October 9, 2016 5:33 pm

    I’m sorry but was there actually a point in all of that…?

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2016 5:42 pm

    It’s not “our fault” they can’t see the funny side.

    exactly, *sniff* just who do they think they are?

    I’m too tired to be outraged at anything, feigned or not, would a raised eyebrow do?

  51. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2016 5:47 pm

    “Yep, those Malaysians law makers are sensitive and we need to be careful never to offend them.”

    Unless of course yor a lib loafer

    Then it seems to become a pre requisite

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2016 6:44 pm

    Did I mention that budgie smugglers are offend cultural sensitivities but this doesn’t?

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2016 7:11 pm

    “How dare they decide for themselves!”

    INDEED!

    I’m suggesting that feigned outrage by the left here

    Your words, ToM … I’m outraged nor is it feigned … I’m just disappointed at the young adults you seem to be determined to defend at all personal cost … FFS! I had children to look after at 22 (and they wouldn’t do this shyte) and these turkeys are acting like 14yo overseas at 30 … and that’s OK? …

    I know a lot of employers (other than Leighton it seems) that wouldn’t employ them … loose cannons at worst – scatterguns at best!

    Seems a uni education, lots of money and travelling the world isn’t really the answer?

    Although … I’ve always said – education is quite different to intelligence …

    Yep, those Malaysians law makers are sensitive and we need to be careful never to offend them.

    Oh! Wot sreb, said …

    So given that this is how the Malaysians see “culture” at their grand prix, exactly whose sensitivities are being offended?

    Yer a worry ToM … its a male dominated society … y’know … like the catliks … only worse … and I know what most people (male and female would prefer to look at!) …

    LOL

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2016 7:11 pm

    That big LOL is showing off, sreb!

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2016 7:12 pm

    Ooops … I’m NOT outraged nor is it feigned

  56. October 9, 2016 8:35 pm

    Why can’t these bloody Indonesians understand that we Australians like to have a bit of a spliff when we’re on holiday….??!!

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  57. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2016 9:21 pm

    It’s interesting how yomm has become an instant expert on Malaysian sensitivities, even better than they do, it’s almost as if he’s holidayed there

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2016 10:59 pm

    Why can’t these bloody Indonesians understand that we Australians like to have a bit of a spliff when we’re on holiday….??!!

    Are they completely insensitive to our culture? 😝

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2016 10:01 am

    After watching the Insiders edit compilation of the Banking Enquiry last night, it was very obvious it was scripted and the questions given to the CEO’s to work out cartel answers long before they were called … still treating the Australian electorate as uneducated simpletons …

    Its also obvious that TurnAbbott is aiding and abetting the Robber Barons, (people call banks), to pillage and plunder the people of Australia …

    I look forward to the next polls … and TurnAbbott telling us that they are not important (unless you want to roll the PM of course!)

  60. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2016 11:07 am

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 10:39 am

    Marriage Act amendments exposure draft

    These are the key points on the draft amendment released by George Brandis:

    1. The definition of marriage would change: The definition of marriage in s5 of the Marriage Act would be changed to replace “a man and a woman” with “two people”.

    2. The conditions for a valid marriage would stay the same: It will continue to be the case that a marriage would be void if, for example, the parties are in a ‘prohibited relationship’, consent was not real, or one or both parties are not of marriageable age.

    3. Foreign same-sex marriages would be recognised in Australia: All valid marriage solemnised under the law of a foreign country, including same-sex marriages, would be recognised in Australia if they are consistent with Australian law. A foreign marriage would not be valid in Australia if the marriage would be unlawful in Australia, for example, if the parties are siblings, in a parent-child relationship, or are polygamous.

    4. Existing protections for ministers of religion would be retained and strengthened: ministers of religion would be able to refuse to solemnise a marriage on the grounds that the marriage is not the union of a man and a woman, if that refusal conforms to the doctrines, tenets or beliefs of the minister’s religion, or is necessary to avoid injury to the religious susceptibilities of adherents of the religion, or if (irrespective of the teachings of his or her church) the minister has a conscientious objection to same-sex marriage.

    5. Marriage celebrants (including those who are not ministers of religion) would be able to refuse to marry a same-sex couple: In addition to the existing law whereby marriage celebrants are under no obligation to solemnise marriage, the Marriage Act would be amended to allow marriage celebrants who are not ministers of religion to refuse, on the basis of conscientious or religious beliefs, to solemnise a marriage on the grounds that the marriage is not the union of a man or a woman. Religious bodies and religious organisations would also be able to refuse to provide facilities, goods or services for the purpose of solemnisation of a same-sex marriage, or for purposes reasonably incidental thereto, if the refusal conforms to the doctrines, tenets or beliefs of the religion, or is necessary to avoid injury to the religious susceptibilities of adherents to that religion.

    In the event that the parliament passes the plebiscite bill, the government proposes the establishment of a joint select committee to review and report on the exposure draft. The composition of the committee would be as agreed by the government, the opposition, and crossbench parties.

    Paras 4 and 5 make a mockery of the Liberal Party and its ridiculous control by the Catholic Church! Chinese businessmen (China!) may make donations for influence … The Vatican has “sleepers” from fkn birth! For free!

    Why do politicians like Preying Brandis think that we are all fools like him!

    What a waste of time, money and governance!

    20 civilised countries have accepted the human rights of the LGBTI to marry … is Australia so stuck in the Dark Ages?

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 1:58 pm

    I see the wind turbines recently struck Victoria too 120,000 homes without power … fkn renewable energy … hey?

  63. Walrus permalink
    October 11, 2016 3:40 pm

    “…….Paras 4 and 5 make a mockery of the Liberal Party and its ridiculous control by the Catholic Church! Chinese businessmen (China!) may make donations for influence … The Vatican has “sleepers” from fkn birth! For free!

    Why do politicians like Preying Brandis think that we are all fools like him! ”

    LOL

    Seems the hate speech is off to a flying start courtesy of the hypocritical Left

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 5:08 pm

    You should read some of your own comments … wally …

    power and control … a born to rule concept … from immaculate conception … I suppose …

    Here’s another hero … guess who …

    He’s extremely complicated, both religiously and politically. He’s been reported to have been a Catholic, a member of the Dutch Reformed Church, a Presbyterian and he married his third wife in an Episcopalian church.1

    In his most recent interviews about religion, he’s said he is Presbyterian:

    “I believe in God. I am Christian. I think The Bible is certainly, it is THE book..First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica Queens is where I went to church. I’m a Protestant, I’m a Presbyterian. And you know I’ve had a good relationship with the church over the years. I think religion is a wonderful thing. I think my religion is a wonderful religion”

  65. Walrus permalink
    October 11, 2016 5:51 pm

    “You should read some of your own comments”

    Really……………I don’t give a flying fuck what anyone’s religous beliefs are (except radical Islam)

    It’s only you that goes on and on ad nauseum never posting any proof just the usual crap over and over and over again.

    Around here you are the one with the gigantic chip on your shoulder.

  66. October 11, 2016 6:06 pm

    “never posting any proof”

    Yeah! Let’s just ignore the cavalcade of Catholic priests hauled before the courts in the last thirty years..

    “never posting any proof”

    LOL

  67. October 11, 2016 6:11 pm

    Seems the hate speech is off to a flying start courtesy of the hypocritical Left

    Yeah, nah.

  68. Walrus permalink
    October 11, 2016 6:15 pm

    So we can have 2 military plebiscites, a national song plebisite, a constitutional convention plebescite, a Queensland Council amalgamation plebescite but not a gay marriage plebescite because of hypothetical suicides caused by hate speech which seems to be spewing mostly from those in the pro same sex marriage lobby tossing anti religous sentiments at every opportunity.

    Oh how we laughed.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 6:57 pm

    Around here you are the one with the gigantic chip on your shoulder.

    “never posting any proof”

    So we can have ………………

    Oh how we laughed.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 7:19 pm

    It’s only you that goes on and on ad nauseum never posting any proof just the usual crap over and over and over again.

    er, I generally provide comment and QUOTES and LINKS … associated with my comments … a quick study of your radical, racist, sexist and personal attack opinions shows a dearth of supporting evidence …

    To have a chip on one’s shoulder refers to the act of holding a grudge or grievance that readily provokes disputation.

    (Link supplied on request) 🙂

    I hold no grudge or grievance … I just highlight the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church … and when I do – you whizz out of the woodwork and say …

    I don’t give a flying fuck what anyone’s religious (sic) beliefs are (except radical Islam)

    Any sane person (welcome to the group) ) would NOT support radical Islam … but too many commenters blanket blame Muslims … are all Catholics paedophiles? (Anyway this is about the HUMAN RIGHTS or LGBTI PEOPLE … )

    See how you have made it a personal attack? … read the fred above … as I say defend the Catholic Church by all means … but you must provide evidence to the contrary … rather than score points trying to get me pissed off to piss off – not happening …

    As the politicians of the party you support seem to constantly believe … we are not all fools … quite frankly I believe you are a closet fairytale believer … (simply because of the way you react!)

    4. Existing protections for ministers of religion would be retained and strengthened:

    Why? (The Minister and I married in a church 48 years ago to placate our parents FFS!) Can you not see the hypocrisy there? ‘Cause I can see the hypocrisy of the Liberal Government … after two terms I’m still waiting for something positive from them …

    Now, wally, discuss the issues … not ME … stalking is illegal … even if you do love me!

  71. October 11, 2016 7:53 pm

    Jesus. Today is the first time I can recall that TB Queensland called the Catholic Church by its correct title, including proper capitalisation.

    What happened to katlicks and kristyins? A bit hate-speechy in the current climate?

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 8:13 pm

    What happened to katlicks and kristyins? A bit hate-speechy in the current climate?

    FMD there’s no satisfying micks … and you’re so full of free speech?

    I can call hypocrites whatever I like … hey, ToSY! 🙂

    4. Existing protections for ministers of religion would be retained and strengthened:

    So what happened to separation of church and state? Hypocrisy writ large …

    This is a HUMAN RIGHTS issue …

    That’s two out of the woodwork … more to come …

  73. October 11, 2016 8:14 pm

    all dog-clubs contain devout non-thinkers dedicated to fairy tails

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 8:17 pm

    So whose leading the government again?

    Malcolm Turnbull has refused to rule out a free vote in parliament on same-sex marriage after the federal Labor caucus decided to block a plebiscite.

    The prime minister said the parliament would press ahead with a plebiscite but refused to answer questions about what he would do next when the Senate inevitably blocked the non-binding vote.

    The deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, ruled out a free vote and reiterated that the government’s policy was to hold a plebiscite while speaking on radio national.

    (Link on request)

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 8:19 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/11/george-brandis-says-he-was-not-aware-of-political-games-attack-on-solicitor-general

    So amateur and incompetent in so many ways! Born to rule? Born to fuck up!

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 8:22 pm

    Just waiting for the personal attacks … better be quick … I’ll be busy after tomorrow!

    But …

  77. October 11, 2016 8:30 pm

    “FMD there’s no satisfying micks … and you’re so full of free speech?”

    Good. So I trust you’ll be reverting to your usual bigotry?

  78. October 11, 2016 8:34 pm

    “are all Catholics paedophiles? ”

    Probably a question you should answer, given your blanket remarks about ‘katlyks’.

  79. October 11, 2016 8:44 pm

    cry me a river blubbers, if dog-nuts kept their dog in the privacy of their own bedroom, instead of foisting their dog upon all aspects of others lives, including atheists, we wouldn`t have any reason to mock the dog-nuts would we. Blubbering nonsensically when medical (abortion,voluntarty-euthanasia), education/science (darwin), gay marriage folks bite dog back when dog-nuts stick their snout into these folks business is utter bullshit #teabags

    # ,, the dog-nuts start all these fights

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 10:36 pm

    Wrong again …

    Bigotry – intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.

    I have no intolerance towards organised religion … I call out the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church where I see it … I also call out any other religion’s hypocrisy …

    Especially when their bigotry impacts on other human beings and their rights as a citizen …

    And just to belay the usual silliness … yes, I do condemn radical Muslims and radical actions against my society (just not all of ’em …)

    In fact I know Catholics who are quite happy to see same sex marriage accepted … the members are usually way ahead of the club management …

    (Probably a question you should answer, given your blanket remarks about ‘katlyks’

    Once again you need it spelled out for you … as all Muslims are not radical … all Catholics are not paedophiles …

    Can you give me an example of a “blanket” remark about Catholics I have made that is not true?

    (Think carefully – I challenge the church and its rulings … and those who never challenge them … or the hypocrisy of “love and peace” and remarks by Catholic believers … who supposedly have knowledge of the bible and JC’s teachings … purportedly the first socialist on the planet … )

    Waiting …

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2016 10:38 pm

    Correction …

    (just not all of ’em …) should read … (just not all Muslims …) …

  82. October 11, 2016 10:56 pm

    “all Catholics are not paedophiles …”

    Christ, really? There’s a shock.

    What was it you have against katlicks, again?

  83. Walrus permalink
    October 11, 2016 10:58 pm

    And don’t give me that bullshit about demanding a free vote in parliament because ” that’s why we elect MPs ……… d’uh”

    The ALP has bound all its MPs to a binding vote as per their National Conference.

    Since when did the electorate vote at an ALP conference ?

  84. Walrus permalink
    October 11, 2016 11:26 pm

    After 2 elections which means the next one

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 12, 2016 10:30 am

    …The ALP has bound all its MPs to a binding vote as per their National Conference.
    Since when did the electorate vote at an ALP conference ?…

    When you vote for them you know they have a binding vote it’s not a secret.

    The LNP does the same, although they pretend not to – when was the last time a courageous MP actually crossed the floor when it made a difference eg when they didn’t already have the numbers so the vote didn’t matter?

    Haven’t noticed you complaining about that real lack of democracy before, the party discipline.

    Whatever happened to the convenient ‘conscience’ vote?

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2016 10:37 am

    Your friend Barnaby Joyce crossed the floor against the Howard Government 19 times.

    I don’t think the ALP accepts that kind of pattern

  87. Walrus permalink
    October 12, 2016 10:48 am

    “Whatever happened to the convenient ‘conscience’ vote?”

    Excellent so you now concede that a Parliamentary vote is not a conscience vote. It is in fact a “National Conference vote”

    Like I said since when did the electorate vote at an ALP conference ?

    That’s why a pleb is needed so at least MPs can vote “under the cover of it”

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 12, 2016 10:49 am

    Your friend Barnaby Joyce crossed the floor against the Howard Government 19 times.

    And the howard govt had a significant majority, it was token stuff where it didn’t matter except to placate the national party voters.

    Has he ever crossed the floor in minority govt? Where his vote changed the outcome?

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 12, 2016 10:53 am

    Excellent so you now concede that a Parliamentary vote is not a conscience vote. It is in fact a “National Conference vote”

    I don’t concede anything, I’ve often complained about the lack of democracy that is created by discipline in party voting. I’ve also long complained about the conscience vote as being undemocratic behaviour, tomM should be able to recall that.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2016 11:07 am

    Its all a simulation anyway … what if?

    “Forty years ago we had Pong – two rectangles and a dot. That’s where we were. Now 40 years later, we have photorealistic, 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously and it’s getting better every year. And soon we’ll have virtual reality, we’ll have augmented reality,” said Musk. “If you assume any rate of improvement at all, then the games will become indistinguishable from reality.”

    It’s a view shared by Terrile. “If one progresses at the current rate of technology a few decades into the future, very quickly we will be a society where there are artificial entities living in simulations that are much more abundant than human beings.” …

    … On the other hand, scientists can look for hallmarks of simulation. “Suppose someone is simulating our universe – it would be very tempting to cut corners in ways that makes the simulation cheaper to run. You could look for evidence of that in an experiment,” said Tegmark.

    For Terrile, the simulation hypothesis has “beautiful and profound” implications.

    First, it provides a scientific basis for some kind of afterlife or larger domain of reality above our world. “You don’t need a miracle, faith or anything special to believe it. It comes naturally out of the laws of physics,” he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/11/simulated-world-elon-musk-the-matrix

    Note the attached link* 🙂

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2016 11:15 am

    And a win for the peasants!

    Four former federal politicians have lost their High Court challenge over reduced post-parliamentary perks.

    The four – Howard government defence minister John Moore, Hawke government minister Barry Cohen and Labor MPs Barry Cunningham and Anthony Lamb – employed the same legal principle made noteworthy by the Australian comedy movie The Castle.

    They argued their entitlements under the Superannuation Act and to a life gold travel pass were their property which had been acquired by the Commonwealth other than on the just terms required by a section in the Constitution.

    Link supplied on request

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 12, 2016 1:20 pm

    The ALP has bound all its MPs to a binding vote as per their National Conference.

    The coalition makes a production about not binding their MP’s, about being free to vote their conscience always, except it’s not true is it? If a cabinet member voted against the government, they would very quickly be shown the backbench.

    Excellent so you now concede that a Parliamentary vote is not a conscience vote. It is in fact a “National Conference vote”

    None of them are paid to vote according to their conscience, they should be representing their constituents. Their voting record and their religious and business affiliations should be published far and wide.

  93. Walrus permalink
    October 12, 2016 1:36 pm

    “………..they should be representing their constituents. ”

    And who did the constituents vote for with a plebiscite as one of their election promises ?

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2016 1:37 pm

    I’d prefer to have a local MP how is at least able to consider the lobbying of local constituents, rather than one who is simply required to follow the dictates of national conference, where all the deals are predetermined by hacks and warlords, and based on the exchange of offers and power.
    ————
    Having at least the theoretical option (or more) of crossing the floor makes the backbench a little more unruly and that isn’t a bad thing

  95. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2016 4:14 pm

    Eltham takes part ulman over his wind farm ‘heresy’ with a pesky thing called facts. Will there be a retraction? I note media watch wasn’t touching it with a ten foot pole. Hardly surprising

    Saddler gives perhaps the best succinct explanation of what happened on September 28: a cascade of events triggered by the loss of transmission towers.

    “Had the storm not taken out the whole of one 275kV line and the northern segment of two others (leaving just one fully operational), there would have been no blackout,” he wrote. “The final triggering event was the loss of output from six wind farms, presumably because they tripped out because of their protection settings.”

    “The load then switched to the Heywood Interconnector (within a fraction of a second), which was overloaded and tripped, followed immediately by the two gas generators online at the time.”

    Saddler explained that the wind turbines shut down to protect themselves in the wake of the transmission failure – a fact confirmed by Neoen Australia yesterday. “There is probably an issue about the protection settings being ‘too conservative’,” he added.

    https://newmatilda.com/2016/10/12/media-blackout-abc-bias-and-the-assault-on-renewables/

    From the link within the link

    The Hornsdale wind farm shut itself down in the seconds leading up to the South Australian blackout to protect itself, the local chief of its French owner says.

    ……….

    Mr Woitiez told The Australian Financial Review that the Siemens wind turbines had behaved exactly as they were supposed to after three of South Australia’s four main north-south transmission lines failed during a once in 50 years storm two weeks ago.

    He raised questions about the failure of two gas-fired System Restart Ancillary Services or “SRAS” generators to restart AGL Energy’s Torrens Island gas turbines shortly after the statewide blackout, saying the blackout might not have been as bad if they had worked.

    So, will ulman and the other ‘heretics’ offer up an unconditional apology, or even a simple retraction of previous baseless accusations?

    Yea, I didn’t think so 😉

  96. October 12, 2016 4:21 pm

    GOLD!

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  97. Walrus permalink
    October 12, 2016 4:53 pm

    “He raised questions about the failure of two gas-fired System Restart Ancillary Services or “SRAS” generators to restart AGL Energy’s Torrens Island gas turbines shortly after the statewide blackout, saying the blackout might not have been as bad if they had worked. ”

    Still blaming fossil fuel generators which have been shutdown!

    Oh how we laughed

  98. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2016 6:00 pm

    Oh how we laughed

    Yes, at your complete lack of understanding.

    The gas generators have not been ‘shut down’

    do try to keep up.

    Although, considering ‘keeping up’ would mean acknowledging your ignorance, I can see why why you don’t want to 😉

    LOL

  99. October 12, 2016 9:44 pm

    “Eltham takes part ulman over his wind farm ‘heresy’ ”

    Does he? Or is he another non-power system engineer commenting on the news?

  100. October 12, 2016 9:45 pm

    Oops.

    LOL

  101. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2016 9:51 pm

    Does he? Or is he another non-power system engineer commenting on the news?

    I’m guessing you missed all the experts he referenced in yor rush to igniore reality …… again, along with the link to the ownders of the Hornsdale wind farm who confirmed that the wind farms went down for the same reason as the interconnector, self preservation.

    ergo, Yor lol is unwarranted 😉

    LOL

  102. October 12, 2016 9:52 pm

    ROFLMAO!

  103. October 12, 2016 10:07 pm

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 13, 2016 2:02 am

    Neoliberalism is creating loneliness. That’s what’s wrenching society apart
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/12/neoliberalism-creating-loneliness-wrenching-society-apart

    ….Anyone can see that something far more important than most of the issues we fret about has gone wrong. So why are we engaging in this world-eating, self-consuming frenzy of environmental destruction and social dislocation, if all it produces is unbearable pain? Should this question not burn the lips of everyone in public life?…

  105. October 13, 2016 7:26 am

    Interesting article Kittylitter..

    “Endless competitions on television feed impossible aspirations as real opportunities contract.

    Consumerism fills the social void. But far from curing the disease of isolation, it intensifies social comparison to the point at which, having consumed all else, we start to prey upon ourselves.”

    I think there’s a lot of truth in that. And I suspect it’s one of the main reasons underpinning the rise in domestic violence.

    A friend of mine is a police officer based in one of Melbourne’s affluent suburb and says that most of their call outs are for domestic violence incidents.

    Previously he worked in St Kilda, where the call outs were mostly for the things we’d expect – drug and alcohol incidents, theft and assaults.

    It’s interesting that in the posh suburbs, it’s the silent epidemic of violence behind closed doors that takes up most of their time.

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 13, 2016 7:29 am

    Suddenly coal prices are booming. Will the entire country be next?
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/suddenly-coal-prices-are-booming-will-the-rest-of-the-country-be-next-20161012-gs0bgd

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 13, 2016 8:13 am

    What is the point of a plebiscite if it’s non-binding? It would be a totally useless waste of money and an exercise in futility.

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 13, 2016 8:26 am

    I think there’s a lot of truth in that. And I suspect it’s one of the main reasons underpinning the rise in domestic violence.

    There’s so much stress and pressure on people to contribute to the all-powrful market. We have no power over our own lives, we’re fodder for the machine, we have the power to consume and feed the monster.

    Most people with no power and control over their own lives will lash out at those closest to them. Kids bear the brunt too, so much stress in lives these days.

    The clean-up cost of such stress is left to governments, corporations just blame the individual, not the toxic workplace, yet the same corporations call for less taxes. Socialising the burden in costs [human and financial] to the taxpayer.

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 13, 2016 9:17 am

    There’s an interesting editorial in the SMH on the politics applied by both sides to marriage equality today.

    I can’t link at the moment, but it is a reasonable discussion about why a plebescite would have been a reasonable approach And the safeguards that could have been applied to hate speech

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 13, 2016 9:19 am

    It also outlines that the Greens previously supported a plebiscite. Expedient changes in position is typical of that rabble

  111. October 13, 2016 9:30 am

    I think a lot of ppl were amenable to the idea of the plebiscite before it became clear that the right wing nut jobs wanted to dismantle laws that protected people against hate speech.

    Secondly, the fact that taxpayers funds would be used to prosecute a case of active discrimination against a minority group.

    It’s the first time in my living memory, that a population’s own money would be used to mount a campaign effectively vilifying themselves.

    To somehow express ‘surprise’ that people found this objectionable is astounding.

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 13, 2016 9:39 am

    Yes, and the SMH suggested that there should have been regulation over the type of propaganda. It also suggested limiting public funding of the campaigns.

    Seems reasonable and balanced . But now there’s a political stalemate and the extremists have specifically thanked Shorten for this. They say they will now have more time to train anti equality volunteers.

    The current outcome is … nothing and no prospect of progress

  113. October 13, 2016 9:51 am

    Bill Shorten was for the plebiscite before he was against it.

  114. October 13, 2016 9:56 am

    “Seems reasonable and balanced”

    To whom exactly?

    oh yeah, those not on the receiving end of the vitriol.

  115. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2016 10:10 am

    “I think a lot of ppl were amenable to the idea of the plebiscite before it became clear that the right wing nut jobs wanted to dismantle laws that protected people against hate speech.”

    That’s right………..so you have 18c to protect you.And the hate speech seems to be mostly coming from the Left.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 13, 2016 10:19 am

    Maybe that’s fair. But an opportunistic stalemate isn’t so sensational either.

  117. October 13, 2016 11:25 am

    Coming soon!

    I offer my expert thesis on post-natal depression:

    “Why can’t women just suck it up and get on with life”

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2016 11:56 am

    The current outcome is … nothing and no prospect of progress

    And a strong YES vote would not necessarily change that … we simply cannot trust politicians … nor the extreme views on either side …

    It’s prudent to consider that the original legislation was changed with a John Howard captain’s call wave of a biro!

    It can just as easily be changed back!

    $200,000,000 to simply prove a point that the majority of reasonable Australians recognise as a simple change is ludicrous and shows the parlous state the Liberal Party is currently suffering created solely by right wing religious zealots (ho the irony of that word) …

    To make so many people (even if it is a minority) face a National “discussion” about “their” sexuality and lives is cruel in the extreme … and as the bogans like to say “unAustralian” …

    What happened to the simple concept of a Fair Go!

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2016 11:58 am

    That’s right………..so you have 18c to protect you.And the hate speech seems to be mostly coming from the Left.

    Link?

    Both eyes open?

  120. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2016 12:05 pm

    Apparently it’s World Chicken Day

    http://www.goodfood.com.au/recipes/recipe-collections/30-chicken-dinner-winners-20161012-gs17xd

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 13, 2016 12:34 pm

    Was the original vote a captains call? I think people like Julia Gillard and Penny Wong may have voted in favour of the change in 2004

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2016 1:15 pm

    Was the original vote a captains call? I think people like Julia Gillard and Penny Wong may have voted in favour of the change in 2004

    Link to the actual parliamentary vote?

    If Turnbull agrees … why not do it now?

    Funny … the right fight a royal commission on the financial industry but happy to turn ordinary people’s lives upside down … and what for? A basic human right …

  123. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2016 1:44 pm

    “Link to the actual parliamentary vote?”

    Here………………..

    “The Labor shadow Attorney-General Nicola Roxon on the same day the amendment was proposed said that the Labor Opposition would not oppose the section of the legislation amending the Marriage Act. The bill was supported by Labor policy. Labor argued that the amendment did not affect the legal situation of same-sex relationships, merely putting into statute law what was already common law.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_Act_1961_(Australia)#Support_for_the_bill

  124. October 13, 2016 2:31 pm

    DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Whingeing. Contemptuous. Unpatriotic. Damn the Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people.

  125. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2016 3:41 pm

    In light of the census debacle, and the ongoing cuts to the ABS whose figures on anything cannot be relied on these days, their desire to grab and hold peoples personal data is truly scary.

    Brandis wants two-year jail sentence for re-identifying govt data

    http://www.itnews.com.au/news/brandis-wants-two-year-jail-sentence-for-re-identifying-govt-data-439295

    I mean, the fact that he wants to criminalize something proves it can be done, so their protestations about or data being safe with this data anonymisation is just bullshit. Couple that with the ongoing cuts to the ABS, and yea, it’s not going to be long before people hacking our data isn’t going to be the fear, it is the grubmint on selling our data we’ll have to worry about.

  126. October 13, 2016 4:00 pm

    I’d just like to thank Tom R for keeping us uo to date with all Labor’s talking-points.

    Guffaw!

  127. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2016 4:08 pm

    Labor’s talking-points.

    So, you think the underfunding of the ABS and the anonymisation of our data is a Labor talking point?

    fyi, Labor support the anonymisation of our data. (although, I don’t think they feel that should coincide with a reduction in ABS funding)

    so, like yer lol, the guffaw appears to have … arrived a little early should we say 😉

  128. October 13, 2016 4:14 pm

    “So, you think the underfunding of the ABS and the anonymisation of our data is a Labor talking point?”

    I was fooled by the Labor Party letterhead.

    ROFL!

  129. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2016 4:17 pm

    I was fooled by the Labor Party letterhead.

    Or perhaps you were fooled by the fact that the comment wasn’t a simple one dimensional rant?

  130. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2016 4:19 pm

    btw, any apologies for the misrepresentation of wind farms yet?

    Thought not 😉

  131. October 13, 2016 4:30 pm

    “btw, any apologies for the misrepresentation of wind farms yet?”

    Not really.

    HEH!

  132. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2016 4:43 pm

    “Link?”

    And then you have Fairfax columnist John Birmingham describing those opposed to SSM as “a sweating pig circus of morons and bigots”

    And it not just in Australia

    http://allenwestrepublic.com/2015/04/01/update-high-school-coach-vile-threat-to-local-christian-owned-pizzeria/

    There are plenty of others

  133. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2016 4:52 pm

    Not really.

    Is that a picture of Don Qixulman?

  134. October 13, 2016 4:55 pm

    “Is that a picture of Don Qixulman?”

    No. It’s Sir Tristan Eltham, NPSE.

    😆

  135. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2016 5:07 pm

    Wikipedia seem to have put it on the wrong page 😦

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2016 5:45 pm

    Here………………..

    Apologies, wally, I should have written … Link?*

    That fkn asterisk, hey?

    Eight years ago some of us railed against the Labor Party for its ignorance over marriage equality

    However! In 2004!

    PM targets gays in marriage law

    May 27, 2004 – 2:04PM

    Mr Howard said the Marriage Act would be changed to include a definition of marriage as the `voluntarily entered-into union of a man and a woman to exclusion of all others’.

    The laws currently do not define marriage.

    “We’ve decided to insert this into the Marriage Act to make it very plain that that is our view of a marriage and to also make it very plain that the definition of a marriage is something that should rest in the hands ultimately of the parliament of the nation,” Mr Howard told reporters.

    ”(It should) not over time be subject to redefinition or change by courts, it is something that ought to be expressed through the elected representatives of the country.”

    And the DIFFERENCE now is that a majority on BOTH sides of parliament have expressed support for a change back to “two people” …

    Living in past? Or advancing into the future?

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/27/1085461876842.html

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2016 5:54 pm

    Walrus permalink

    October 13, 2016 4:43 pm

    ?Wot?

  138. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2016 6:44 pm

    In light of ao link this morning, carrying on in that vein

    The way to a better work-life balance? Unions, not self-help

    https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2016/oct/11/way-to-better-work-life-balance-unions-not-self-help?CMP=soc_568

    Also saw this, haven’t read it yet.

    https://www.cfmeu.org.au/sites/cfmeuvic-7-x.com.au/files/uploads/ToughJobs_23_9_16.pdf

    Forward
    Rising inequality is a key threat to Australia’s future economic
    growth and an urgent challenge to Australian decision-makers.
    After the global financial crisis and the peak of the mining boom,
    our economy should be well-placed to resist the economic and
    political pressures which can make us more unequal over time.
    However, we can see emerging economic threats which demand a
    long-term policy response.
    The cost of housing and health care is rising, education funding is
    inadequate and poorly targeted, retirement income is threatened,
    and at the heart of working life, unemployment is rising and real
    wage growth is too slow.
    These problems do reflect some of the challenges of economic
    change, but they also reflect the price working people are paying
    for the conservative policy consensus. The conservative plan
    for Australia is one which is quite explicitly designed to weaken
    our tax base and labour market institutions, to limit wages and
    incomes and shrink the social democratic state. At best, this
    misunderstands the relationship between economic growth,
    living standards in middle Australia and strong public finances; at
    worst, it is a deliberate effort to redirect the benefits of economic
    growth from people who work toward vested interests.
    So the CFMEU’s paper ‘Tough Jobs’ is a particularly timely report
    from the front line of the political economy of modern Australia.
    It names the key problems, makes a strong case for immediate
    policy measures to address them, and sets a platform of analysis
    and advocacy to restore the link between fairness and growth
    that is such a key feature of the Australian social and economic
    model.
    The Chifley Research Centre has been delighted to work with
    the union on this important project and we look forward to the
    discussion which will follow its release.
    Michael Cooney
    Executive Director
    Chifley Research Centre
    May 2016

  139. October 14, 2016 7:58 pm

    guardian,,,,Endless competitions on television feed impossible aspirations as real opportunities contract. Consumerism fills the social void,,,,

    # ,, While l enjoyed the article on kids in brittania, what l have noticed is both parents are now slaves to the corporation and kids are now left to the care of nanny-iproduct. This seems to be `another` price being paid for the destruction of decent jobs.

    reb,,,,affluent suburb and says that most of their call outs are for domestic violence incidents. Previously he worked in St Kilda,,,,

    # ,, l`m not sure `area-demographics` ring terribly true now a-days reb. Monster mortgages and job destruction is spidering thru all areas, demographics, trades, professions and education levels. Really, did anybody anywhere get qualified in their trade or profession to have their employment meted-out in minimal increments like children getting lollies meted-out??

    # ,, l have also noticed there is an `anti-domestic` campaign about rising DV. Does anybody here `really` believe that continual `job/money/mortage-pressure` won`t result in some form of blow-back within society (DV, drugs, crime, violence, booze) in some form??

    # ,, lt always comes back to jobs folks.

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 15, 2016 7:49 am

    Does anybody here `really` believe that continual `job/money/mortage-pressure` won`t result in some form of blow-back within society (DV, drugs, crime, violence, booze) in some form??

    No, but I do notice that the govt & corps are getting off scot free, their constant productivity pressures are what is causing the problems. Govt goes into bat on behalf of the corporations leaving the unions [that they have both attacked mercilessly] to protect workers. Welfare has to pick up the broken pieces – cheap price they say, as they scream about the cost of welfare out of the other side of their mouths.

    I feel positive that people are now recognising the harm being done to families/society in the name of the economy. Not really hopeful that the govt and corps will do anything about it. Let’s face it, we’re all cannon fodder for the 1% and the politicians who enable them [both brands].

    Abbott was stupid in his usual extreme to put up a trump tea bag defence but it’s pretty much the same stupid political strategy that his uglies/conservative group is playing anyway.

    But we can always have a big scare to act as a destraction to the serfs can’t we? [see below]

    Pauline Hanson Wants To Fix The NBN Because Kids “Keep Getting Beaten By Gamers From Overseas”
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    …The National Broadband Network (NBN) had the capacity to be a truly transformative piece of national infrastructure. It could have re-shaped our economy, the way we live and work and the delivery of key services. Sadly, it’s lurched from disaster to disaster.

    It’s been subject to huge political controversy and just last month it emerged that the company rolling out the NBN was abandoning its plan to use Optus’ cable network… after paying $800 million for it.

    But thankfully there’s a special parliamentary committee with oversight for the NBN, to make sure the project stays on track. Because there’s no group of people better at spending money efficiently and smartly than politicians.

    ..The Joint Standing Committee on the National Broadband Network was formed this week and is made up of Coalition, Labor and minor party politicians. Pauline Hanson ran for a position on the committee, because in between hating halal food and being a men’s rights activist she’s really into the internet apparently, but lost out to Stirling Griff from the Nick Xenophon Team. Luckily enough, a Nationals senator just happened to resign immediately after the ballot and offer his place up to Hanson.

    Good to see the Coalition government looking out for Pauline!…

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 15, 2016 8:27 am

    Factional fanfare on the boil again within Labor and Liberal parties
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/14/factional-fanfare-on-the-boil-again-within-labor-and-liberal-parties?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    George Brandis urged to respect rule of law by former Liberal attorney general
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/17/george-brandis-urged-to-respect-rule-of-law-by-former-liberal-attorney-general

    …A former Liberal party attorney general has written to the federal incumbent, George Brandis, reminding him of the critical importance of the rule of law and the separation of powers in a democratic society.

    John Dowd, who served as the first law officer of New South Wales from 1988 to 1991, raised concerns that the government had budgeted insufficient funds for the Office of the Australian Information Commission (OAIC) and was “emasculating a statutory body, which can only be abolished by statute”.

    Dowd wrote to Brandis on Monday in his capacity as president of the Australian section of the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ), which aims to protect the rule of law.

    The government introduced legislation in 2014 to abolish the OAIC – a body that handles complaints about privacy issues and freedom of information decisions – but has yet to secure adequate support in the Senate to do so.

    Dowd said the government had allowed the freedom of information commissioner position to remain vacant since the beginning of this year, had recently called on the privacy commissioner to serve as the acting information commissioner, and had not allocated sufficient funds for the OAIC to discharge its statutory obligations.

    “The result is that the government is seeking to achieve executively what it cannot achieve legislatively,” Dowd said in the letter to Brandis…

  142. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2016 10:58 am

    Just tuned in to senate hearing. MacDonald being an utter arsehole to Gleeson. Disgraceful behavior by a Senator.

    It’s exactly the same belligerence they displayed against Triggs. I also saw a piece yesterday where Gleeson told them to leave his family (specifically his daughter) out of the proceedings.

    What kind of gutless bullies do we have running this cuntry?

  143. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2016 11:00 am

    And I see poor old ulman is still playing the victim. Imagine how the wind farms feel then you obnoxious twat.

  144. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2016 11:02 am

    re previous Gleeson comment

  145. October 15, 2016 12:37 pm

    “Imagine how the wind farms feel”

    Sad?

    :rofl:

  146. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2016 12:53 pm

    Sad?

    I BLAME ulman. He’s been tilting again

    :rofl:

    I think you meant 😆 😉

  147. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2016 1:23 pm

    Brandis MUST be toast (under normal operating procedures that is 😉 )

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 15, 2016 1:24 pm

    Interesting comment on Labors NBN

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/alan-kohler/i-was-wrong-on-nbn-its-a-turkey/news-story/d127c72bbabec0c2d9ee4923d3ec8d4b

    I was wrong on NBN: It’s a turkey

    Unhappily, Australia’s national broadband network is a white elephant and, to mix metaphors, an albatross around the nation’s neck……..It’s now clear that my colleague Stephen Bartholomeusz was right all along: the thing is a dud, a donkey, a pasty pachyderm, and it would have been much worse if the original FTTH plan had gone ahead…….TPG’s share price crashed from $12 to $8.50 after its results came out last month, and has since kept falling to below $8, because it has now dawned on the market for the first time how much more the NBN will cost in wholesale access charges than Telstra’s ADSL……What’s to be done? Nothing. As an NBN insider told me with a rueful shrug this week: “We are where we are.”

  149. October 15, 2016 1:57 pm

    “I was wrong on NBN: It’s a turkey”

    Teh Twitter won’t be happy.

    😯

  150. October 15, 2016 2:20 pm

    tweet,,,,I`m optimistic that the next president will be a universally loathed radioactive disaster who will deligitimize every function of government,,,,

    # ,, l think tinfoil`osy found the tweet of the day

    ao,,,,Abbott was stupid in his usual extreme to put up a trump tea bag defence,,,,

    # ,, l reckon rabbit is reflecting the east-coast leadership void of talkbull and repositioning himself as `true` zombie leader and wrangler, while talkbull`s mate, premier garden gnome backflips over greyhounds.

    ao,,,,we`re all cannon fodder for the 1% and the politicians who enable them [both brands],,,,

    # ,, l know. l agree. lt is blatantly obvious and makes me wonder just `who` asis, asio and our military `swear allegience` to, and what constitutes as `treason` now a-days. They sure aren`t defending `nation and citizens`, that`s for sure.

  151. Rulemaker(s')'s Prerogative(s) permalink
    October 15, 2016 3:34 pm

    (Quaere: Whether, and what, Malcolm’s reassuringly confident comment, about having had the benefit of Brandis’s and Gleeson’s advices at different times, has, if anything, to do with the timing of Brandis’s (un)surprising rulemaking(s), on the PM’s, and on the GG’s, accessibilities to Gleeson’s advisabilities, and its implication(s), if any, for timing(s), more broadly considered?)

  152. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2016 4:13 pm

    Interesting comment on Labors NBN

    Except of course, it is a comment on the liberals NoBN

    He draws his conclusion on the fallout of what is happening now under turnbulls stuff up, and somehow makes the claim it would have been worst under Labors proposal. I guess the fact he doesn’t even attempt to outline how is due to the fact that the issues he highlights about TPG’s share price wouldn’t have eventuated under Labors FTTH plan.

    Pretty much everything he highlights as a failure now is directly a result from moving away from Labors plan. But it’s the lolstralian. We shouldn’t expect analysis, simply claims.

    Teh Twitter won’t be happy.

    They haven’t for a long time, for pretty much the same reasons I just highlighted above.

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 15, 2016 4:17 pm

    TomR

    Labors FTTH would cost double what FTTN would cost and take 5 times longer to build.

    It was a disaster from the beginning because it was socialist.

  154. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2016 4:24 pm

    Labors FTTH would cost double what FTTN would cost and take 5 times longer to build.

    Shouldn’t that be 500x

    oh, and LOL

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 15, 2016 6:53 pm

    It was a disaster from the beginning because it was socialist.

    LOL ©

  156. October 15, 2016 9:10 pm

    What mystifies me team-cheerer, is canoeland is a very forward looking, smart place at the state level when it comes to getting off their arse about renews, but then at the federal level canoeland re-send a backward looking, knuckle dragging rock-ape like sweet corey back to kanberra. #mind.boggles

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 15, 2016 10:19 pm

    101
    I mean LOL

  158. October 17, 2016 9:49 am

    Remember when all the so-called “experts” said the dollar would sink to 60 US cents…

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-australian-dollar-is-in-demand-2016-10

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2016 2:40 pm

    Australians’ dress standards overseas: Are we a nation of slobs?

    http://www.traveller.com.au/dress-code-opinion-are-we-a-nation-of-slobs-or-do-we-just-love-casual-clothing-grv95c

    Personally, I can’t stand Bintang singlets on fat people with sunburn – and that seems to be the dress code for young Australians across quite a lot of Asia.
    On the other hand, I’ve observed the behaviour of young Brits, Germans and Swedes in Spain and Greece, and they would probably regard a Bintang singlet as over dressed.

  160. Tom R permalink
    October 17, 2016 2:55 pm

    Personally, I can’t stand Bintang singlets on fat people with sunburn

    So, as long as I stick to the night life, I’m fine 😉

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 18, 2016 12:40 am

  162. Tom R permalink
    October 18, 2016 7:20 am

    does that mean IPA now are the govt?

    They have been ever since rudd got yabot elected.

    Interesting that the day malcayman revives his war against Unions, we hear about three deaths on building sites, and Bob Day is exposed for ripping off families and workers alike.

    Will the media be able to draw a line?

    I can imagine the outrage they will show should Labor link the deaths and lack of safety concerns. Of course, it was different with Pink Batts, wasn’t it? (well, yes)

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 18, 2016 7:24 am

    Scott Morrison’s claim ABCC will boost wages shows it is fast becoming a magic pudding
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/18/scott-morrisons-claim-abcc-will-boost-wages-shows-it-is-fast-becoming-a-magic-pudding

    …The treasurer, Scott Morrison, has found a new argument to support the reintroduction of the Australian Building and Construction Commission: it will “support wage growth”.

    …The government’s case for the ABCC is fast becoming a magic pudding. It will simultaneously increase profits, decrease consumer prices, prevent excessive wage rises and support increases in wages.

    Extraordinary claims demand proof and, if the government has reason to believe these are all simultaneously possible, voters deserve to see it…

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 18, 2016 7:25 am

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 18, 2016 8:12 am

    Well, plenty to talk about today! The IPA libertarians staged a takeover of the ABC and the australian government.

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2016 10:02 am

    So I suppose we’ll get all the nonsense about re-establishment of the ABCC being anti union.

    It’s not anti union, it’s just pro lawful behaviour

  167. Tom R permalink
    October 18, 2016 10:11 am

    it’s just pro lawful behaviour

    ROFL

    Where’s the law BEFORE this happens. The Unions were there, but blocked. By the LAW!

    Three Dead Construction Workers in Four Days!

    https://sourceable.net/three-dead-construction-workers-in-four-days/

  168. Tom R permalink
    October 18, 2016 1:13 pm

    lolz

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2016 3:51 pm

    So bullying, intimidation and standover tactics are acceptable as part of a union OHS campaign?

  170. Tom R permalink
    October 18, 2016 4:10 pm

    So bullying, intimidation and standover tactics are acceptable as part of a union OHS campaign?

    You’ll have to point out where I have said that.

    Although, with laws designed to keep Unions OUT of work-sites that are now being exposed as negligently dangerous, perhaps they should?

  171. Tom R permalink
    October 18, 2016 4:11 pm

    The collapse of Bob Day’s company, Home Australia, shines a light on what is a serious and common problem in the construction industry, according to the CFMEU.

    CFMEU National Construction Secretary Dave Noonan said that companies going into liquidation is an ever increasing feature of the construction industry with devastating consequences for small businesses, workers, families and the community.

    “One in five insolvencies in Australia are in the construction industry.

    “Following a Senate Inquiry into this issue last year, the Education and Employment Committee made a raft of recommendations to protect small business and workers – that do not appear to be on the Turnbull Government’s agenda.

    “Instead they are fixated on industrial relations and going after workers, rather than address the systemic issues that wreak havoc on the community and the economy.”

    Mr Noonan pointed to the collapse of Tagara in Bob Day’s home state of South Australia earlier this year as a case in point.

    “The collapse of Tagara left 700 small businesses out of pocket to the tune of $27 million.

    “Tagara director Tullio Tagliaferri was actually the president of the South Australian Master Builders Association at the time.

    “Construction companies routinely break the law in this country and get away with it,” he said.

    “Yet Bob Day supported bringing back the ABCC that punishes unions and workers rather than deal with more profound and pressing issues that require a major legislative overhaul.”

    https://www.cfmeu.org.au/news/collapse-bob-day’s-company-highlights-serious-problem-construction-industry-0

  172. October 18, 2016 6:18 pm

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  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2016 7:45 pm

    Apparently it isn’t appropriate to seek lawful and orderly conduct on building sites because some builders go broke

  174. Tom R permalink
    October 18, 2016 9:37 pm

    Apparently it isn’t appropriate to seek lawful and orderly conduct on building sites because some builders abuse the law and prevent Unions from inspecting areas until they clean up adequately for inspection, then resort back to their cheap shortcuts once the Unions have gone.

    See how the “law” works against workers yomm?

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2016 8:24 am

    I see the CFMEU has incurred over $8m in fines during the past decade.

    Fines don’t appear to change the thuggish behavoiur

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2016 10:11 am

    NBN pushes for high speed copper
    http://www.innovationaus.com/2016/10/NBN-pushes-for-high-speed-copper?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter%2082%20October%20192016&utm_content=Newsletter%2082%20October%20192016+CID_2cc2c31126a145f66212796c99813340&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=NBN%20pushes%20for%20high%20speed%20copper

    …No formal announcement has been made, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that NBN Co is looking at G.fast as the technology it will use to squeeze fibre-like speeds out of the copper connections that will deliver the NBN to most of Australia’s homes and businesses…

  177. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2016 10:52 am

    Fines don’t appear to change the thuggish behavior

    What “thuggish” behaviour?

    millions spent on a political witch hunt. Where’s the prosecutions that attest to this alleged “thuggish behavior”?

    Although, we did see lots of evidence of “thuggish behavior” from the building companies, AND the employment of bikies to get their desired outcomes.

    Funny that everything the Unions are accused of, the actual companies were exposed of actually doing.

    Perhaps we need a Building Industry Royal Commision (BIRC)

    How would Bob Day etal look after that I wonder?

    One thing for sure, the courts would be busier than they are after the TURC fizzer

  178. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2016 10:55 am

    When Katter mentions 3 deaths in the building sector Turnbull smirks.

    If that is true, that is horrific. As horrific as trying to trade away workers protection with loosening gun laws. (think about those two trade offs for a moment, and couple that with the intimidation of workers from both the previous ABCC, and the BI as seen in evidence from the TURC)

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2016 12:02 pm

    I think that if the builders and developers are allowed to work in a neoliberal designed ‘free market’ and basically allowed to decide which laws they will obey and which they won’t, we should not be hobbling the unions. It should be fair, open slather, no rules for both sides.

    There is no justice for workers killed through unsafe conditions when the penalties are so small [if business owners can be held to account at all] and companies are the donors to the government.

    Business and government want to keep the unions hands tied behind their backs with regulations while they do whatever they like, reap enormous profits and treat the workforce and community with contempt. People really are tired of the inequality and the trashing of scarce resources for private profit.

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2016 12:09 pm

    Perhaps we need a Building Industry Royal Commision (BIRC)

    That is what is required, really look into how it operates and look into political lobbying and donations, lets see who our fine political representatives are really working for.

  181. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2016 12:34 pm

    There is no justice for workers killed through unsafe conditions when the penalties are so small [if business owners can be held to account at all] and companies are the donors to the government.

    Again, “think about those two trade offs for a moment”. There is a straight line there.

    Why is it that the financial punishment for a workplace death is “spare change” compared to the huge fines about to be imposed on unions who disrupt trade?

    It is becoming increasingly apparent that the government is putting private profit ahead of working people.

    ……….

    A stark example of this is the huge disparity in responses and penalties issued on unlawful industrial action versus a workplace death. Essential Energy, for example, was fined $300,000 for the preventable death of a worker electrocuted at work. By contrast, the Construction, Forestry, Mining, and Energy Union was fined $1.25 million for engaging in unlawful industrial action against Grocon. Our legislators continue to fail to see that priorities are wrong when market considerations take precedence over a human life.

    Who were the CFMEU fined against again, I seem to recall that name

    Grocon ordered to pay $250,000 fine for Carlton wall collapse which killed three

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-21/grocon-fined-250000-over-fatal-wall-collapse/5908292

  182. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2016 1:14 pm

    Waiting on the retrations in 3 .2 .. none

    Safety settings that kicked in during SA’s wild storms caused a number of wind farms to disconnect or reduce their output in the lead up to the state-wide blackout, the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) has said.

    But it said the most well-known characteristic of wind power — variation of output with wind strength — was not a material factor in the blackout.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-19/sa-weather-safety-settings-caused-wind-farms-to-fail-blackout/7945450

    I wonder why chris’TheHeretic’ulman didn’t write that story?

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2016 2:31 pm

    I don’t mind if there is a royal commission into workplace safety, but how is that relevant as to whether unions behave in a lawful manner on building sites?

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2016 6:08 pm

    Perhaps the Liberal National Party Coalition are really stupid … or just ideologically determined to create financial confusion, chaos and crisis … just so they can apply “stringent” economic management policies to control foolish investors … or maybe they really are as incompetent as they appear to be …

    Despite several warnings from its own advisers and eminent organisations that negative gearing and capital gains concessions distort investment choices and encourage excessive borrowing and leverage, the government continues to sit on its hands.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/19/coalition-asleep-at-the-wheel-as-household-debt-warning-gets-louder

    In his financial systems inquiry, David Murray put up in flashing red lights that negative gearing and capital gains concessions are “major tax distortions” that “encourage leveraged and speculative investment”. He’s not alone. The Grattan Institute has also pointed out repeatedly that “the greater leverage encouraged by negative gearing arrangements also reduces the stability of the Australian financial system”. And most recently, the IMF got in on the act, saying “tax distortions favouring debt over equity should be gradually eliminated”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/19/coalition-asleep-at-the-wheel-as-household-debt-warning-gets-louder

  185. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2016 6:20 pm

    but how is that relevant as to whether unions behave in a lawful manner on building sites?

    What part about “unions were unable to ‘lawfully’ enter a building site where people then died” is confusing you yomm?

    or maybe they really are as incompetent as they appear to be

    That really is looking to be the correct answer TB 😉

  186. October 19, 2016 6:34 pm

    Words and music by Robert Allen Zimmerman, Nobel Laureate. Performed by Destiny Hope Cyrus, Rocket Surgeon

  187. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2016 6:40 pm

    Rocket Surgeon

    🙂

  188. Walrus permalink
    October 19, 2016 6:42 pm

    “And most recently, the IMF got in on the act, saying “tax distortions favouring debt over equity should be gradually eliminated”.”

    And then up go rents or down go prices because that’s how financial asset pricing works in the real world. Not in a presentation paper

    Just look at the proportion of income that goes in rent overseas in cities comparable to Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. It wont happen overnight but after 2 or 3 years renters will be worse off

  189. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2016 7:16 pm

    I see, so the fines at the rate of over $150,000 PER WEEK, every week for about the past 10 years, is due to safety?

    Are you serious?

  190. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2016 8:06 pm

    Are you serious?

    Why wouldn’t anyone be serious about safety?

    Unless you’re a big corporation who find that LAWS make it cheaper to allow people to die rather than implement adequate safety measures.

    LAW does not equate to right.

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2016 9:42 pm

    So all those fines relate to a safety campaign?

  192. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2016 9:55 pm

    So all those fines relate to a safety campaign?

    What, it’s not good enough that most do, it must be ALL?

    But, at fear of repeating myself

    The CFMEU were fined millions for picketing Grocon on safety issues

    Grocon were fined $250,000 for the deaths of three people due to their lax safety issues.

    And you are content with the LAW here?

  193. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2016 7:19 am

    Morrison really is a dumbfuck©

    I’m just surprised he didn’t go the whole hog and just blame Avocados

    Renew Economy highlights what every other news outlet doesn’t. Wind power is NOT the only power source in SA. EVERYTHING failed.

    But the report also points to two other major problems.

    The first is that fossil fuels are not a panacea as some would wish. The diesel and gas generators paid handsomely to provide black start services to the state both failed, one within 15 seconds, causing the blackout to last much longer than it would have done otherwise. AEMO refuses to name the failed generators, citing “confidentiality” agreements.

    The three diesel generators that should have provided power to Port Lincoln also failed – two tripped almost immediately and the third had to be shut down.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/storm-of-controversy-erupts-over-aemo-blackout-report-41690

    But everything focuses on the failure of the software at the windfarms. Why?

    And where is ulman etals apology? Nowhere, instead, he now quadruples down into absolute stupidity.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-19/wind-power-loss-key-event-in-sa-blackout-report-finds/7947478

    No mention of gas generator failing anywhere I note. I’m not reading it again, the stupid in it just burns. he’s still on his “asynchronous nature of wind power” jihad, which flies in the face of what even AEMO say. If he doesn’t lose his job over this, it is proof positive that the abc needs a clean out from the top up.

    And the first step would to be to offer Nick Ross his job back, as the abc need real technical writers, not armchair experts tilting at wind farms

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 20, 2016 8:29 am

    And you are content with the LAW here?

    No, not at all, it is grossly inadequate, an insult to the families.

    I don’t mind if there is a royal commission into workplace safety,

    Not a narrowly defined workplace safety, there should be a RC into the entire industry, including political lobbying and party donations. Shine a light on the lot of it.

  195. October 20, 2016 8:58 am

    “EVERYTHING failed.No mention of gas generator failing anywhere I note. ”

    Probably because they didn’t.

    “The five synchronous thermal generators operating at the time of the event remained connected and operated up until the SA system disconnected from the rest of the National Electricity Market (NEM). The operation of these generators was not materially impacted by the system faults experienced during this event.” (Page 5)

  196. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2016 11:40 am

    You didn’t read my link too closely did you tosy. If they were all fine, why was there a blackout?

    I also note that you don’t want to acknowledge the failure of the gas backup

    And, while our msm circle jerk around windmill tilting the failure of so many towers goes unquestioned

  197. Walrus permalink
    October 20, 2016 1:20 pm

    So that lying scumbag Triggs has been caught out lying again…….

    “Upon further reflection I accept that the article was an accurate excerpt from a longer interview. I had no intention of questioning The Saturday Paper’s journalistic integrity,”

    “I have today written to the committee to clarify my statement. I answered questions regarding the article in good faith and based on my best recollection.”

    You bullshit artist Triggs

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/it-is-not-looking-good-for-her-coalition-rounds-on-gillian-triggs-after-she-admits-misleading-senate-20161019-gs6g82.html

  198. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2016 1:28 pm

    Triggs has been caught out lying again…….

    again?

  199. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2016 1:28 pm

    Speaking of bullshit artists 😉

  200. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2016 1:30 pm

    He got quite a bit wrong. How can he be there after so many inaccuracies blaming something that is not to blame?

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 20, 2016 2:06 pm

    Yes, I see that Triggs made some highly disparaging remarks about parliamentarians. Then she denied saying it.

    Her remarks were highly intemperate for someone in an apolitical position. And now she has been shown to be a bullshit artist.

  202. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2016 2:22 pm

    Yes, I see that Triggs made some highly disparaging remarks about parliamentarians.

    One can hardly blame her. Not that it excuses her, which of course they won’t But, after being falsely accused of lying before, this will probably be fatal for her. Even though she has admitted her mistake.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/ian-macdonald-and-barry-osullivan-are-these-coalition-senators-the-rudest-men-in-australia-20161019-gs5mcr.html

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 20, 2016 2:25 pm

    It wasn’t simply a mistake, she ran off at the mouth in her disparagement and then – blamed the media

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 20, 2016 2:35 pm

    So Mongrel Triggs is now officially Lying Mongrel Triggs!

  205. October 20, 2016 2:36 pm

    She misspoke.

  206. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2016 3:42 pm

    So Mongrel Triggs is now officially Lying Mongrel Triggs!

    I’m sure after having that falsely thrown in her face by official lying mongrels for the past few years, I’m not sure that will bother her at all by now.

  207. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2016 3:57 pm

    KFC time in Parli.

  208. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 20, 2016 4:07 pm

    I’m sure after having that falsely thrown in her face by official lying mongrels for the past few years, I’m not sure that will bother her at all by now.

    From 2007-2013 The ALP and Walrus, TB of Queensland, Splatterbottom, Reb, AO, TomR (who i almost forgot) and anybody who voted for Rudd in 2007 locked up 8,469 children.

    During this time when Triggs should have acted, Triggs did nothing. Triggs only got out of bed when Abbott got elected in 2013

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2016 4:15 pm

    LOL! LOL! ROFL! ROFLAO!

  210. Walrus permalink
    October 20, 2016 4:32 pm

    Oh dear…………………..the sisterhood on Twiter……………..their collective heads must be exploding about now

    “BREAKING: Gable Tostee has been found not guilty in the murder trial over the death of Warriena Wright. ”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/verdict-imminent-in-gable-tostee-trial/news-story/e01491d2bf70d19e792eabf1e2aa4240

  211. October 20, 2016 6:56 pm

    “the sisterhood on Twiter”

    “Twiter”

    🙂

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2016 7:05 pm

    LOL! LOL! ROFL! ROFLAO!

  213. October 20, 2016 7:46 pm

    I think he means The Twiter.

    ROLF!

  214. October 20, 2016 8:05 pm

    or… “The Twitters”….

    LOL.

  215. October 20, 2016 8:08 pm

    To be fair, it must be hard sorting out your walk shorts, socks and sandals, and keeping up with what the “young folk” are doing with computers these days, as well as preparing tax returns for yer clients…

    We really shouldn’t mock.

  216. October 20, 2016 8:09 pm

    FLOG! 😆

  217. Walrus permalink
    October 20, 2016 10:20 pm

    “We really shouldn’t mock”

    Ok I should have said Twat-er

    By the way I’m trying not to do so many tax returns these days

    Too boring ! 😀

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2016 10:56 pm

    Twater?????

    We really shouldn’t mock

    oh yes we should! LOL!

    By the way I’m trying not to do so many tax returns these days

    That’s right! Its “advising” older people how to “invest” now? 😀

    LOL! LOL! ROFL! ROFLAO!

  219. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2016 6:27 am

    Ok I should have said Twat-er

    Twotter?

    btw, It’s been an interesting week in politics.

    Apparently, they have been arguing with Bill over a bill that we called an election over. I’m not sure of the finer details of said bill, as it’s been largely lost over arguments of who has the biggest dick within the defense portfolio, and who is the actual leader of the grubmint. All I can garner from the ‘debate’ is that there is a sticking point on said bill over how many shots a shotgun can legally fired at a Union member within a minute?

    Oh, and apparently the best way to determine how to save money is to send everyone determining how to save money over to France for a few days rather than use the expensive boardroom they are leasing back from the new owner to determine that sending everyone over to France for a few days rather than use the expensive boardroom they are leasing back from the new owner to determine how to save money may not actually save money in the first instance. A trip to the Bahamas for a review meeting should confirm this one would think.

    Trump really is starting to look like a saner option at the moment.

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2016 12:11 pm

    LOL!

    If only I wasn’t do busy!

    Still comments aren’t really necessary as the Coalition rips itself apart! LOL!

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2016 8:29 am

    THERE are reports of a shark attack at Broken Head in northern NSW.

    The incident occurred around 6.30am at the beach near Byron Bay and is believed to involve a surfer.

    I go to that part of the coast from time to time, and I think there is a change in local sentiment about shark protection. It’s moving from – “we’re in their environment what do you expect?” … to – “this is serious, it’s hurting the tourism industry, killing kids, we’d better do something”

    Shark numbers seem to have recovered sufficiently, so it’s time to put in place more control over the numbers.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/there-are-reports-of-a-shark-attack-at-broken-head-near-byron-bay-in-northern-nsw/news-story/66c9205438eb548ce399bccf09a30f0b

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 10:11 am

    “we’re in their environment what do you expect?” … tru dat!

    it’s hurting the tourism industry ($-) … always a winner …

    And we’ll have to ask the Japanese researchers back soon for the whales …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-23/humpback-whale-population-increasing-like-crazy-say-scientists/7872122

    Life’s really hard for some …

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2016 10:15 am

    I don’t think the tourism industry around Byron Bay see themselves are just after $

    Most see themselves as having an eco friendly life and providing sustainable jobs

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 10:40 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/24/coalition-using-technical-argument-to-hold-down-minimum-wage-says-union

    Schofield said the recent decline in the value of the minimum wage had “pushed too many workers into poverty”.

    “The approach of the government to the Fair Work Commission is weak and inconsistent: on one hand it is leaving penalty rates to the commission, on the other it is opposing lifting the standards of the lowest paid,” she said.

    Schofield said the proposed target was not inconsistent with the Fair Work Act, because it was a “benchmark” that would still allow the commission to consider other factors.

    She said the government was using “legal or technical arguments” to oppose the interests of the lowest paid, siding with employers.

    “[The government] will be involved in any measure to cut pay. There’s been an incremental assault on workers’ rights over many years so we’re disappointed but not surprised.”

    The ACTU secretary, David Oliver, said: “Unless a medium-term target is set, Australia’s lowest paid workers are at risk of becoming a US-style underclass of working poor who are trapped below the poverty line.”

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 10:49 am

    The LIBNITS are bloody slow learners, hey?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/24/coalition-says-cost-gap-between-private-vocational-trainers-and-tafes-staggering

    The federal government plans to overhaul the system to restrict loans to courses that meet skills shortages and are most likely to end up with students getting a job.

    Birmingham said the old system meant too many students were being signed up for courses simply to boost enrolment numbers or to provide “lifestyle choices” that didn’t lead to work.

    “While I understand some people may want to broaden their experiences, ultimately we need to ensure precious taxpayer money is used to support students doing courses with strong employment outcomes, which also increases the prospects of people being able to pay back their government loan,” he said.

    It is the VOCATIONAL Education & Training sector after all … ! FMD!

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 12:43 pm

    Just a bunch of INCOMPETENT NINCOMPOOPS pandering to The Robber Barons … these boofheads couldn’t run a FISH & CHIP SHOP!

    Labor has ridiculed a warning by Scott Morrison that buying a house without a dual income has become an almost “unreachable goal” in parts of Australia, saying he must have been asleep for the past few years because it was not a new problem and the government had failed to act.

    In an advance copy of a speech to be given in Sydney on Monday, Morrison said property prices had risen so much since 2000 that a 20% deposit on a median home loan was now more than 100% of annual household disposable income.

    “This is slightly above the decade average but well above the 60% levels that were the norm prior to 2000,” Morrison’s speech said.

    He promised the housing affordability problem would become a priority for the Turnbull government.

    Labor’s social services spokeswoman, Jenny Macklin, said Morrison could not be serious about housing affordability if he was unwilling to reform negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/24/labor-says-scott-morrisons-speech-shows-he-has-been-asleep-during-housing-crisis

    I think she meant … “negative gearing and the capital gains tax WELFARE”

    Where do these people live? Oh, wait!

  227. October 24, 2016 5:23 pm

    Another great call by Dreyfus.

    ROLLMOP!

  228. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2016 5:54 pm

    Yes, and it is clear who should have resigned.

    But Gleeson proves he’s got class.

  229. October 24, 2016 6:40 pm

    “Yes, and it is clear who should have resigned.”

    No. It’s clear who resigned, and who didn’t.

    Dreyfus has the Midas touch. Everything he touches turns into a muffler.

    FLOORMAT!

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 24, 2016 7:06 pm

    A clear conflict of interest

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 7:16 pm

    Brandis is a pure gold Liberal Party born to rule arsehole … and a legal ant … no wonder Gleeson couldn’t work with him …

    Brandis is one of those people with qualifications who can’t use them professionally … or tries desperately to manipulate the system to his will …

    Whoever voted for the little prick should hang their heads in shame!

    This government can’t even spell Westminster System and certainly doesn’t respect it!

    Hypocrites all …

    No. It’s clear who resigned, and who didn’t.

    What does that mean?

    Brandis LIED to Parliament .. there is EVIDENCE …

    I know who stinks …

    (Awful fkn things!)

  232. October 24, 2016 7:21 pm

    “What does that mean?”

    It means I get to sit here in the warm glow of smugness knowing Dreyfus has been made to look like a fuckwit. Again!

    ROOFTILER!

  233. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 24, 2016 7:37 pm

    Coalition’s housing affordability inquiry scrapped amid growing market fears
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalitions-housing-affordability-inquiry-scrapped-amid-growing-market-fears-20161024-gs9jbo.html

    …Mr Alexander said at the time it painted a picture of a nation turning from a “commonwealth”, with huge home ownership, into a “kingdom” made up of landlords and serfs. One of the ideas considered by the committee was a winding back of capital gains submissions…

    …Opposition Leader Bill Shorten strongly criticised the government for saying nothing about housing affordability during the election other than to attack Labor’s plans to wind back negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions.

    “They rubbished Labor’s plans,” he said. “Now, belatedly they are engaging in a cruel hoax. They are pretending to want to do something about housing affordability, yet all they’re proposing is the states make some administrative changes.”…

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 7:54 pm

    It means I get to sit here in the warm glow of smugness knowing Dreyfus has been made to look like a fuckwit. Again!

    How do you draw that conclusion … because Gleeson was a better man than Brandis?

    This is about people’s careers and livelihoods … Brandis is a coward … Dreyfus just did his job – well …

    A pity that Gleeson felt betrayed and no longer able to work with … another arsehole …

    Supporting Brandis’ unbecoming behaviour is what’s destroying the real Australia and feeding the One Nation’s …

    Mealy TurnAbbott will be lucky to see a full term as PM … with the rabble he supports …

  235. October 24, 2016 8:01 pm

    “How do you draw that conclusion … because Gleeson was a better man than Brandis?”

    If you say so.

    LOLLIPOPLADY!

  236. October 24, 2016 9:27 pm

    Latest Morgan Poll:

    Federal 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 45 ALP 55.

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 24, 2016 10:33 pm

    How do you draw that conclusion …

    Must be the only person who has!
    Bookshelves brandis has shown himself to be not only a liar, but a fool of the first order., A controlling bully who brings his office into disrepute. He has misled parliament, he should go.

    Here’s another who has misled parliament, he sacked the official who refused to compromise his own integrity by lying for joyce.

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 24, 2016 10:35 pm

    Looks like there are no parliamentary standards anymore. They were trashed under Abbott but are completely absent now. Why does anyone even bother to show up each day?

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 10:55 pm

    LOLLIPOPLADY!

    Sniffing the turps, ToSY? Or sucking on yer paintbrushes again? 😉

  240. Walrus permalink
    October 24, 2016 10:56 pm

    “Federal 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 45 ALP 55.”

    Is there an election tomorrow ?

    At least Gleeson having met with Dreyfus during the election period has some honour

    You won’t find Gillian Triggs in a room with anyone even called Honour

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 11:00 pm

    Federal 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 45 ALP 55.

    You gotta link, sreb?

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2016 11:03 pm

    Is there an election tomorrow ?

    No … but it will be sooner than you think … no confidence? Another DD? This government is so incompetent it will simply fail the people … IS failing the people …

    No peasants … no economy … shimples …

  243. Walrus permalink
    October 24, 2016 11:25 pm

    A Republic is closer due to idiots like the Tasmanian Governor

    Which is good

    But what a fucking idiot

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-22/walk-together/7957204

  244. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 25, 2016 12:58 am

  245. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2016 5:38 am

    From the Malcom Farr link above AO

    HE IS a skilled lawyer most Australians have never heard of but Justin Gleeson’s resignation today highlights a massive and a continuing controversy in the nation’s senior legal circles.
    Mr Gleeson quit as Solicitor-General today making “perfectly plain” he didn’t retreat from criticisms of Attorney-General George Brandis.
    He is at the centre of a storm over the independence of legal advice given to government and whether it might be tainted by politics.
    In his resignation letter he said he and Mr Brandis could no longer work together, because there was no trust.
    He has left the job as Australia’s number two law officer not because he concedes Mr Brandis was right in their dispute, but because he considered he was totally wrong.
    His departure will not end the row between the two, it will magnify it and allow a liberated Mr Gleeson to publicly defend his position.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/why-justin-gleesons-resignation-matters/news-story/30e37ff42ed4ec2c0e8bb1825e51d99d

    And I’m sure Dreyfus will be there every step of the way to watch brandis hang himself out even further.

    And yes, in a ‘normal’ grubmint, there is no way a figure like brandis could still be there, But this grubmint aint normal by any stretch of the imagination. It’s just an extension of the yabot grubmint with a different jacket

  246. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2016 7:20 am

    Nice to see the bankrupt tradie destroyer bob day is going to remain in parliament long enough to have his vote on the ABCC legislation.

    Will we see malcayman doing a run rabbit run episode to avoid a ‘tainted vote’

    It just sums up what the ABCC is all about when the likes of someone like day is voting for it.

    I also see that the grubmint is now blaming the states for the sudden ‘housing afford-ability’ crisis.

    We need more houses apparently to …. achieve what exactly?

    Lower house prices?

    But, wasn’t addressing negative gearing, which would lower house prices (or raise them, it was a confusing time), destroy our economy? Wouldn’t building even more houses have the same effect.

    And what about all those unoccupied houses we already have? What was the reason behind those again?

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/thousands-of-empty-homes-adding-to-sydneys-housing-crisis-experts-say-20160323-gnpc52.html

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2016 8:32 am

    I think getting rid of negative gearing would probably assist to reduce housing demand, and therefore help limit price increases.

    But I can’t stand the ALP policy, which is to provide it for new housing, because all that does is encourage the demolition of existing housing stock in areas that have a period character. There aren’t enough parts of the country that have a historical character, and the ALP proposes to encourage redevelopment of the few areas that have this.

    But my observation is that (in my part of town) quite a lot of the increases are due to bidding by overseas buyers, and limiting this will also reduce demand (and therefore limit price increases)

  248. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2016 8:48 am

    But my observation is that … I read ltdnews and get my ideas from them 😉

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2016 9:56 am

    I think getting rid of negative gearing would probably assist to reduce housing demand, and therefore help limit price increases.

    But I can’t stand the ALP policy, which is to provide it for new housing, because all that does is encourage the demolition of existing housing stock in areas that have a period character.

    I absolutely agree, ToM, get rid of negative gearing completely ad infinitum … and the tax breaks on capital gains for investors …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But my observation is that … I read ltdnews and get my ideas from them

    Oddly enough so do I (occasionally!) 😉

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2016 9:57 am

    And of course ltdnews IS limited … 😀

  251. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2016 11:09 am

    get rid of negative gearing completely ad infinitum …

    Yes, but even Labors half arsed attempt to role it back was met with outrage and doomsday scenarios.

    Which brings me back to the grubmints ‘argument’. Just what is it they hope to achieve by releasing more land?

    Will a churno ask them that question? And then perhaps take the brave step and remind them about their opposition to Labor’s negative gearing changes.

  252. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2016 11:37 am

    Property investment is usually used to generate a tax loss. That’s not the case with most other investments. And no one is priced out of the share market because everyone is in via superannuation.

    Our level of agreement doesn’t extend too far TB.

  253. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2016 11:40 am

    Property investment is usually used to generate a tax loss.

    Any ideas how releasing more land will alleviate that?

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2016 11:41 am

    More land means more housing is capable of being built. That’s the supply side.
    Negative gearing is the demand side (so is limiting foreign investment)
    It’s reasonable to deal with both if you want to reduce pressure on prices
    But you’d only see the ALP position Tom R

  255. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2016 12:15 pm

    It’s reasonable to deal with both if you want to reduce pressure on prices

    Hang on, so it is to reduce house prices.

    I thought that was a bad thing.

    And, we already have a building boom. If that hasn’t done anything for prices, why will more do anything?

    Australia built more houses than ever before in the September quarter of last year.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/charts-australia-is-in-the-midst-of-a-building-boom-never-seen-before-2016-1

    morrison etal are simply playing the old ‘look over there’ line, which, if you look, turns out to be absolute bullshit

    It’s not an ALP line yomm, it’s simply reality

  256. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2016 12:17 pm

    Speaking of reality

  257. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2016 12:31 pm

    So you think it’s all a demand issue and nothing to do with housing availability/supply?

  258. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2016 2:32 pm

    So you think it’s all a demand issue and nothing to do with housing availability/supply?

    I’m sure ‘supply’ is the main reason. But it is not, imo, or from what the data tells us, because of too few dwellings. It is what is done with those dwellings once purchased.

    Which means, morrisons ‘solution’ will only exacerbate the existing problem (and probably give these ‘investors’ a new treasure trove to play in)

    Why are new home sales plunging, but rental is becoming harder?

    http://www.economiccalendar.com/2016/08/29/australia-hia-new-home-sales/

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2015/apr/30/crisis-rent-its-now-impossible-for-most-poor-families-to-find-a-home

    (yes, I understand they are a year apart, but I don’t think anyone will argue that renting has got any easier recently)

  259. Shane in QLD permalink
    October 26, 2016 7:18 am

    The problem with land release is that massive amounts of land have already been purchased by big developers such as Stockland. Between the Sunshine Coast and Brisbane the developers already own large swathes of land. They simply release it in a trickle at a time, thereby keeping land prices inflated to achieve their aim of higher and higher prices along with lower and lower land sizes, getting the same return on 440 SQM that they used to get with 800SQM. Roads are now as thin as possible to fit in even more blocks for sale. How about the developers be required to release all the land they already own rather than dribble it out forcing prospective owners to enter ballots and be drawn out of a barrel to see if they are the lucky one to obtain one of the very limited releases. Once this trickle of land is sold they then miraculously have another trickle of land in their proposed estate for release to the next lot of lottery hopefuls.

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2016 8:03 am

    I agree Shane. I also think he easier to rezone old industrial sites to residential, and governments should sell the development rights above railway line
    I also think regulations re apartment development need to be eased. There is really no reason to require each apartment to have a parking space. It’s costly, and in the inner city people use public transport and uber. There’s no reason to encourage people to drive
    There’s a lot of factors to assist to reduce price pressure on housing and dealing with the tax breaks are only part of the solution

  261. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2016 8:04 am

    Hi Shane, and yes, that is also a big issue, but largely out of Governments hands, unless they want to restrict developers?

    I put a post up on the other thread about this, even Jason Alexander agrees with “Labor lines’

  262. shaneinqld permalink
    October 26, 2016 8:37 am

    Hi Tom M. I agree about the rezoning as well, however I think it has to do with environmental issues, there are numerous Industrial areas that have been rezoned residential only to find toxic waste seeping out into peoples yards requiring evacuations and compensation being paid to home owners by councils. I think this is why the slow to act seems to be the norm. While tax breaks are only part of the solution they are a very big part. For example I am off to see a client this morning who is looking at buying 3 investment properties to reduce his taxable income through negative gearing. He is my client so I will support his actions as they are perfectly legal at this stage. However do I agree with him reducing tax while growing a portfolio of wealth at the same time, when I cannot secure loans for FHB as clients like him drive home prices out of their reach. No I do not. NG needs to be phased out. Even if it is over 25 years with a 4% reduction each year it would be a start back to normality for the property market. Stockland has just announced a development in Brisbane for another 380 units, even though there are a massive amount to come online in the next 12 months.

  263. shaneinqld permalink
    October 26, 2016 8:42 am

    Hi Tom R.

    It is not out of government hands at all. If an investor buys a licence from the government to develop a mine for example, they have a limited time period to develop that mine. If land is sold to developers it should also have a limited time frame for development of the developer is fined. This hoarding land by developers to have a trickle out release can easily be solved by having that time period imposed, just like covenants the developers place on land purchasers when they go to build each individual block.

    I agree with most a the ALP proposals, and as for Scott Morrisons comments I have never heard such waffle in all my life simply to smoke screen the announcement that the inquiry will be scrapped.

    Also can anyone tell me why Scott Morrison has to talk over everyone with such an angry aggressive tone, I now turn off listening to him, even if his points were valid, he is such an angry man.

  264. shaneinqld permalink
    October 26, 2016 8:48 am

    Tom M

    Funny you talk about parking spaces for units. I can tell you that every client I have assisted to purchase a unit has always insisted on having a car space, even if it is for visitors to perk their car. It seems to be a deal breaker for all of my clients, but I agree with your logic. One I am assisting at this moment looked at numerous units and settled on one because it actually offered 2 car spaces. Not next to each other which he was unhappy about, but it was the only one he could find that had 2. I also agree regarding selling space above railway stations and those units should be car space free as the train is directly below where you live. I also think consideration should be given to space above certain roads and even the train lines themselves as well.

  265. shaneinqld permalink
    October 26, 2016 9:00 am

    The way I see all these sackings and resignations from the PS is that the PS has been turned political simply because they want a PS full of yes people. Yes to their own political ideology and yes to everything that comes with it. The PS is there for the people to advise the peoples government of the day without fear or favour. They are employed on their merits, however now they seem to be employed on their ideology. This is not the Westminster system the LNP crow so much about loving and holding dear to their hearts. Seems only select pieces of the system are good, and only when it suits their ideology. A pox on them all. Morality out the door with those who are being removed. Reminds me so much of Campbell Newman actually. Stacking of the PS by either side is a disgrace.

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2016 10:42 am

    Our level of agreement doesn’t extend too far TB.

    Maybe you should try harder … 😉

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2016 11:06 am

    Housing has gone the same way as everything else in our society …

    … homes have becomes investment properties …

    … sport has become a sponsored betting (investment) program …

    … retirement super/pensions are now primarily investment gambling …

    … learning is now just a means of making money – rather than improving the opportunities, possibilities and livelihoods for people …

    … democracy has become a vehicle for big banks and big business to manipulate the market, create their own investment opportunities, re-create a society of underpaid peasants and destroy anyone who challenges their profit driven blitzkrieg (ie unions, shareholder groups, watchdogs, whistleblowers) …

    The economy IS failing, it is crumbling away bit by bit, as the 1%ers become more and more greedy and manipulative … a simple return to the era of The Robber Barons …

    Investors are compensated for investment “losses” by the government … and its always the savers that pay for it!

    Serfs with reduced income will simply reduce spending, churning slows, the multiplier effect fades until the economy fails fails … don’t know any Aussies who would eat cake instead of bread these days, do you?

    Want to be like the USA – expect the “street” crime issues … and civil unrest.

    Maybe TurnAbbott’s idea is the old create chaos to control it plan … maybe we’ll see a few fat cats on a trip to the Philippines to find out how to “eliminate” our citizens …

    Just sayin’ …

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2016 11:21 am

    Welcome to our future?

    Muncie emerged as a factory city at the turn of the 20th century – becoming home to a number of glass manufacturers, iron and steel mills, industrial factories and fabricators, with a growing working class community – which continued to expand as General Motors and other auto-part makers invested in the town in the 20s. Half a century later, as Guardian photographer David Levene discovered when he explored Muncie, the effects of recession, foreign competition and changes in the labour market began a process of long industrial decline.

    https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/oct/25/middletown-muncie-factories-photo-essay-midwest

  269. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 26, 2016 1:39 pm

    I think low interest rates are distorting things. Why put money into a term deposit where you can barely get a 2% return when you could buy property, negatively gear and maybe make 5-10% return.

    I think if people could get 6% on a term deposit there would not be as many property investors. It would mean you would have to pay a higher rate for a loan but it would also mean a huge reduction in property investors

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2016 2:17 pm

    … it would also mean a huge reduction in property investors

    Except the investors with their own funding source …

    … removing negative gearing and capital gains tax WELFARE FOR THE RICH, would have the greatest impact on reducing prices … and more importantly … giving first home buyers an opportunity to buy a HOME …

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2016 2:21 pm

    And more tax in the coffers of the PEOPLE!

  272. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 26, 2016 2:28 pm

    Perhaps. But if interest rates go back up to more normal levels i bet you that half the property investors would up and leave

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2016 3:48 pm

    The government has adequate tax in my opinion. It’s just that it spends too much of it on lazy public servants

  274. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 26, 2016 4:38 pm

    lazy public servants

    Lazy? Greedy would be more accurate. These deadbeats would die for a pay rise before they did anything useful for Australia.

  275. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2016 4:41 pm

    It’s just that it spends too much of it on lazy public servants

    Is the ‘lazy’ public servants who have a run a successful Census, up until it was outsourced to a private institution?

    Bring back the ‘laziness’ then I say!

  276. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2016 5:28 pm

    Oh, right.

    (I think I meant lazy, fat and overpaid public servants)

  277. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 26, 2016 6:22 pm

    I am guessing the census was outsourced because the new way of doing a census by computer, the PS has no experience with.

    They are fat lazy overpaid bludgers who will always vote ALP because they only care about themselves.

  278. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2016 7:02 am

    I am guessing

    I AGREE!

  279. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 27, 2016 8:26 am

    Is the ‘lazy’ public servants who have a run a successful Census, up until it was outsourced to a private institution?
    Bring back the ‘laziness’ then I say!

    me too

  280. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2016 10:38 am

    How bad does it have to get before he is sacked?

    Hard to tell, but I get the feeling we are soon going to find out.

    As for barnaby, what a tool. I hope his doctoring of Hansard blows up in his face like it should. Hows this for ignorance.

    “The love of one’s country is best delivered when you own that country,” Joyce said. “I may like your car but I love mine. Likewise I find your house very interesting but I want to go home to mine …

    Yea barnie, and who forced our cars to all be made overseas now? And meanwhile, the main architect of that betrayal of Australian workers now has them paying for his bloody childcare services, this while receiving a pension AND a public servant salary.

    Perhaps this is the ‘lazy’ public servants yomm is constantly referring to?

  281. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2016 11:01 am

    Yep, we’re really short of money when a government minister can’t get a public servant to drive their dogs around

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-27/minister-apologises-for-using-taxpayer-money-to-chauffeur-dogs/7969838

  282. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2016 11:12 am

    Yep snouts in the trough, the lot of ’em

    Does this mean you think hockeys triple dipping into the public purse is OK though yomm?

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2016 11:21 am

    From ToM’s link ….

    Outside Parliament, Mr Herbert conceded he had made a mistake.

    “I made a mistake in trying to look after the dogs because of problems I had with my timetable, my schedule,” he said.

    “That was a mistake which I’ve acknowledged and which won’t happen again and I’ve apologised for it.”

    Mr Herbert said his workload dramatically increased when he took on the Corrections portfolio, which “played havoc” with his domestic arrangements.

    “Being a minister in senior portfolios, it’s a tough job. It’s a really tough job and sometime you make mistakes, and this was one of them,” he said.

    “its a tough job” ’cause your just another overpaid incompetent c*** … when will this waste and BS ever stop! On all side of politics …

    They mumble about running states and Australia like a business but 99% of the greedy pricks couldn’t produce a smell in a fart factory!

    Budget deficits all over the country and these dicks ponce around like Nero!

    There must be a better way to attract intelligent people into parliaments and councils!

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2016 11:52 am

    WARNING: Contains the ‘n’ word

    At least its being discussed by many people now … TR!

    Recall when I originally brought up my “list” and it got poo-pooed by the usual suspects?

    What we need now is ACTION to save society from a ruined economy for the few!

    A home is a home NOT an investment asset!

    I confess I’ve only ever owned two … our first home we owned in 11 years on one tradies wage … the one we now own we’ve lived in (and improved) for over 30 years …

    And if ya need money in a hurry ya can’t just sell a bedroom! Shares are much easier …

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