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New Research confirms “Religious People” Struggle with Reality.

October 26, 2016

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Unsurprisingly, a new study has reached the landmark conclusion that religious people ‘are more likely to have a poor understanding of the world’ let alone a tenuous connection to reality.

Interestingly, the study finds that those with a “belief in god” are more likely to think that inanimate objects, such as metal and oil can “think and feel”.

Researchers say that the findings suggest that people’s lack of understanding about the physical world means they apply their own rules, ‘resulting in belief in demons, gods, and other supernatural phenomena.’

The study comes from the University of Helsinki, where researchers went as far as comparing religious people with those with autism, after finding they struggle to understand the realities of the world.

Additionally, people with strong religious beliefs tended to have a warped understanding of widely understood and scientifically proven phenomenon, such as the science behind volcanoes and wind.

Marjaana Lindeman and Annika Svedholm-Häkkinen, who led the study, told The Gutter Trash:

‘The more the participants believed in religious or other paranormal phenomena, the lower their intuitive physics skills, mechanical and mental rotation abilities, school grades in mathematics and physics, and knowledge about physical and biological phenomena were.’

The study involved 258 Finnish participants, who were asked how much they agreed with the statement ‘there exists an all-powerful, all-knowing, loving dog’ and if they believed in paranormal phenomena; such as ghosts and psychic visions.

They were also tested on a range of other topics, including intuitive physics skills and understanding of basic biology.

The results showed that religious people tend to base their actions on instinct, rather than analytical thinking.

A study in 2013 by researchers at the University of Rochester suggested that religious people tend to have a lower IQ.

It suggested that those with high IQs had greater self-control and were able to do more for themselves – so did not need the so-called “benefits” that religion provides.

But, in the interests of ‘balance,’ other studies have found the religious people tend to be happier than those who do not believe in dog.

ARE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HAPPIER THAN ATHEISTS?

A study in 2014 by the Austin Institute for the Study of Family and Culture found that a strong correlation exists between religious affiliation and ‘personal happiness.’

The institute surveyed a sample of 15,738 Americans between the ages of 18 and 60. Of the more than 15,000 sampled, 45 percent of those who attend a religious service on a weekly basis described themselves as ‘very happy,’ while only 28 percent of those who said they ‘never’ attend said the same.

Those who said they never attend religious services are twice as likely to say they are ‘very unhappy’ as those who attend services weekly.

According to the study, this connection between religion and happiness stems from “social support” within these so-called “religious communities.”

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2016 7:54 pm

    Chuckle … I think its now over to TGT’s Catholic Defenders! 🙂

    Can’t wait …

    (BTW it does explain many of the comments here … ) 😉

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2016 9:14 pm

    Looks like – TB the early years

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2016 9:45 pm

    Looks like – TB the early years

    How would you fkn know …

    You’ve never been very good at humour, ToMarse … ageism suits your mean spiritedness and self centred comments tho’…*

    … as I said I can’t wait for the Defenders of the Faith to show their love and peace …

    That’s ONE …

    Here they come …

    (*FYI religion is a choice … age is way out of even your control) 😀

  4. Moonbase Theta permalink
    October 27, 2016 3:31 am

    (Ignorance is bliss?)

  5. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2016 11:49 am

    Ah, Blissfull ignorance

  6. drooghead permalink
    October 27, 2016 5:49 pm

    Families, when a child is born, want it to be intelligent.
    I, through intelligence
    having wrecked my whole life,
    only hope the baby will prove
    ignorant and stupid.
    Then he will crown a tranquil life
    by becoming a cabinet minister.

    –Chinese poet 蘇軾 Su Shi (1037-1101), also known as Su Dongpo, on the birth of his son.

    Religious people, i.e. ignorant and stupid, are always going to be happier. It has always been so.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2016 6:21 pm

    LOL!

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2016 7:24 pm

    I tend to think there would be a lot more outrage from “the left” if the US or Israel was bombing Aleppo.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2016 7:47 pm

    You do write some shit, Barnaby ToM …

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2016 7:52 pm

    Really TB, I think we get a huge reaction for “the left” if Israel responds to some missiles, but there’s Russia, just bombing the crap out of civilians, and nothing from “the left”

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2016 9:36 pm

    What BS … Australian “left” politics don’t support Russia or the despot Assad … WTF did you dream that up?

    Just what do you want …? Unless you missed it … all the shock jocks are right wing!

    I suggest you broaden your horizons politically rather than sitting on a fkn surfboard all day dreaming!

    What drivel … to even suggest that Australian “left” supporters condone bombing fkn hospitals … and kids …

    We are all Australians … its comments like yours that create a stupid ideological divide in this country …

    Your problem is that you don’t think enough …

    Sicko …

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2016 9:41 pm

    I see… so it’s no use marching and protesting unless it’s our side dropping the bombs

  13. Walrus permalink
    October 27, 2016 11:18 pm

    I agree Reb

    “2 blokes and a cocker spaniel do not constitute a family”

    – Paul Keating

    What a fucking Catlick idiot he was

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2016 10:48 am

    Nice article from Scientific American: The Liberals’ War on Science.

    Add to the list of irrationalists all the leftist hippie buffoons of the type that attends Burning Man, Gaia worshipers, tree huggers and the gender-nutters who think it is a good idea to convince school kids that a rational lifestyle might involve irreversible surgery and a lifetime of drug-taking to become what biologically you are patently not and when in the vast majority of cases the dysphoria will resolve itself by early adulthood.

    And if you’ve only voted for one political party all your miserable life you are a rusted-on Holy Church of the ALP acolyte, eh TB?

    Oh yes, also the leftist anti-Semitism exemplified by the decision to hold Israel to a higher standard than anyone else is illogical although of a piece with the irrational murderous fanaticism of the left.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2016 1:26 pm

    – Paul Keating

    What a fucking Catlick idiot he was

    Another wandering remark … note – read the title above again … Keating “said” he was a “practising Catholic” but avoided saying he was “gay” … ?

    And if you’ve only voted for one political party all your miserable life you are a rusted-on Holy Church of the ALP acolyte, eh TB?

    Is ideology a religion … I’m not sure … belief is based on what ifs … ideology is based up observation of action or inaction and the negative or positive outcomes derived, short and long term, from those decisions …

    … however, if you are referring to me in particular (how lovely) you too, as others here do, assume too much, sir … it would be so much nicer if people didn’t try to re-create my life for themselves …

    I see… so it’s no use marching and protesting unless it’s our side dropping the bombs

    WTF are you rambling on about … what protest and march do you want to follow?

    Isn’t the RAAF dropping enough bombs in Syria for you, or somefing? Write a letter to the government … they’ll make you happy … its a right wing party BTW … you’ll love them … 😎

  16. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2016 2:44 pm

    I was just sayin’, TB. I have noticed among relatives and friends a certain type who take their political allegiance as a matter of faith. Although in some rare instances you are capable of criticising the ALP, but only after noting that the other mob are just as bad or worse. 🙂

  17. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2016 4:45 pm

    “Is ideology a religion …”

    They are both in the category of irrational belief system. Not that there is anything wrong with that. We all have irrational beliefs.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2016 6:21 pm

    Yep, the left went into a lather about Israel and wanted to boycott a chocolate shop or something, but Russia bombs the crap out of a civilian area….

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2016 6:58 pm

    … but only after noting that the other mob are just as bad or worse.

    Well spotted, sb, its my strong sense of justice (oddly enough a reason given by The Minister to trick an innocent 21 yo into marriage!)

    Please pass on your observation to the rabid RWNJ that still attack the man not the ball … oh, wait! 😉 BTW neither “mob” is worse … as TR says they are both the worst! 🙂

    More fact to “ideology” (and its impacts on people) than belief in fairytales … although – here whips in my sense of justice – fairytales seem to carry a lot of IMPACT!

    ToM likes BOMBS! BOO!M …

    The upshot is that I agree with this … I have noticed among relatives and friends a certain type who take their political allegiance as a matter of faith.

    I have a “pigeon pair” (let ’em google, I say) … one is right winged … ‘tother left winged … (what a PUN!) And I’m proud of that … and you would know why!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yep, the left went into a lather about Israel and wanted to boycott a chocolate shop or something, but Russia bombs the crap out of a civilian area….

    WTF has got up your nose … aren’t lefties against ALL wars … lefties aren’t religious – most wars are – religious … tories luv wars … any idea how much a bomb costs? Let alone how much it costs to drop one … plane, pilot training …

    What are you blathering about?

    Instead of silly comments … state your case … or see a psychiatrist … or just contact sreb and have a nice chat and a shiraz.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2016 7:03 pm

    Off to Uluru (and Kaltukatjara) with my rellies from UK … enjoy yer weekend …

    And please, ToM, chill …

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2016 9:25 pm

    I’m off to the races and then to the US to watch the election!

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2016 9:37 pm

    Enjoy,ToM … best of luck with both … 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Are the world’s “leaders” now so corrupt! Or stupid? Or think we are?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/28/un-hires-assads-friends-and-relatives-for-syria-relief-operation

    Do they not realise that eventually we will all say enough! And the tumbrils will rumble once again?

    Thick as fkn bricks!

    Can anyone still knit?

  23. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2016 12:33 pm

    More examples of how a grubmint led by ideologues struggle with reality

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2016 7:47 pm

    Dutton’s got his own little propaganda unit going. Fascism central. I’m sure he thinks he’ll be the next LNP leader and PM. Plenty of taxpayer money available for political aspirations and plotting against the citizenry.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/immigration-department-spends-millions-on-leadership-classes-20161028-gsddc3

    …Last week it was revealed the department’s paramilitary Australian Border Force had started a podcast to get its message out. Mr Dutton said the podcast was aimed at circumventing the “left-wing media”…

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2016 9:13 am

    Haven’t found anyone who likes Trump. Although no one seems very fond of Hilary either

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 31, 2016 10:44 am

  27. Tom R permalink
    October 31, 2016 11:13 am

    So, our grubmint has taken trumps lead, and is going to ‘build a wall’

    There is no depths this cuntry will go to try and shore up votes.

    Time for Labor to man up (but recent history tells me that won’t happen)

    Into The Abyss: Right On Cue, Desperate Malcolm Turnbull Turns On Minorities

    https://newmatilda.com/2016/10/31/into-the-abyss-right-on-cue-desperate-malcolm-turnbull-turns-on-minorities/

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 31, 2016 12:20 pm

    Time for Labor to man up (but recent history tells me that won’t happen)

    If they don’t, they may as well join the coalition, they are of no value to anyone.
    Labor sold out to the corporations and the neoliberal agenda decades ago. Now they try to convince people that they are the worker’s friend when they sat by while everyone lost jobs, conditions and entitlements and most importantly, they lost protective regulation. I feel so sorry for the younger generations that have been thrown to the wolves by both lib and labor.

    Has anyone in the Coalition ever actually met a pregnant woman?
    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016-opinion/has-anyone-in-the-coalition-ever-actually-met-a-pregnant-woman-20161023-gs8zeu.html

  29. Business-As-Usual Visa permalink
    November 1, 2016 12:40 am

    (“When children visit Parliament I always assure them that this place is devoted to them, it is here after all we make the decisions that will secure the nation they will inherit, it will secure their future. Of course in the fury of day to day debate that’s easy to overlook, but scientists like yourselves understand better than most that we are all engaged in a very long game. You look beyond the horizon, you imagine what can be, what might be, and so should leaders too. It is our duty to ensure that the world we leave to our children and grandchildren is a better one than that which we inherited from our forebears.”)

  30. November 1, 2016 10:02 am

    While l have no doubt that many of dogs followers have,,,,tenuous connection to reality,,,, which is blatantly obvious on so many topics. But the,,,,strong correlation exists between religious affiliation and personal happiness,,,, sounds like utter bullshit to me. Utah(mormons) are the highest consumers of pep-pills (anti-depressants), and anybody who has seen news, current-affairs or fact-based shows on escapees of various dog-clubs will also know this is bullshit. (mormons, scientology and other isolationists that `shun` their kids if they leave the dog-club, hello topeka)

    Once again it is also another bad week for catlicks, as pell gets reamed again on his pedo-antics and hiding other pedos. Yes, yes, yes, tinfoil`osy, l know `all` catlick priests are not pedo-files, but it does seem that many catlicks `are` reduced to being pedo-defenders now a-days.

    We are now in the final week of entertainment which l have completely enjoyed, it was such fun for the fbi to tell us that crooked hilary had hidden a pile of dodgey emails at anthony wieners joint, before the-ronald gets to drain the swamp. l hope he does a good job so he can drain ours too.

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2016 8:41 pm

  32. Tom R permalink
    November 2, 2016 7:28 am

    CMFEU fined $4 million for protesting against Grocon. Grocon fined just $250K for killing three people through bad safety practices

    Something very wrong with laws when this is the outcome ao.

    Looking after business before people, it’s called priorities.

    I would love to find out who the secret person was who was going to ‘save’ bob day? Did he have connections to the libs? After the story I read yesterday about the libs handing him almost $2million to fund about 20 building trades (in a pretty dodgy manner imo) then I wouldn’t put it past them. Anything so they can get their ABCC back to so they treat construction workers worse than criminals.

  33. Tom R permalink
    November 2, 2016 7:50 am

    OK ao, I see now what the bob day issue is now, and it’s none of the other dubious ones I have heard about, it is something else. Dodgey brothers building company

    The concerns relate to a potential financial interest the former Family First senator had in his Adelaide electoral office, and whether it had breached the pecuniary interest rules for parliamentarians.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-02/what-is-bob-day-accused-of-and-what-will-happen-next/7986622

    The ABC understands legal advice given to the Government suggests Mr Day’s electorate office arrangements may have breached the section.

    Though the Commonwealth paid no rent for his office space, it does have a lease agreement in place with the owners of the building.

    Mr Day used to own the building but sold it to associates after he was elected.

    He backed the loan his associates used to pay for the sale, creating the possible constitutional breach.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-02/bob-day-high-court-case-would-set-a-legal-precedent/7986660

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2016 9:14 am

    Funny how the constitutional breaches only matter sometimes. What about when Abetz sat for years in the senate as a german citizen and then when that case went to the high court it was thought he’d done it for so long, everyone should just shrug their shoulders of it. Same for abbott I guess. That must be one of the constitutional rules the pollies don’t worry about – being the nation of immigrants that we are. dog help TB, did he come to oz as a 10 pound pom by boat? You can be the biggest scoundrel and waster of all time [that’s all of the lib/nats and most of labor] and that’s OK, just don’t be penniless, don’t be bankrupt, our law founded upon property rule can’t abide it!

    LOL

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2016 9:25 am

    I might add that our constitution can also accommodate all manner of thievery by MP’s from taxpayers without penalty at all, the rules are elastic and can stretch to infinity, but that is done by upstanding people of calibre, people who are not bankrupt, therefore entitled. The only way they get thrown out on thievery is if the coalition wants them out or they are from the labor or greens and indy parties

    LOL

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2016 9:33 am

    I would love to find out who the secret person was who was going to ‘save’ bob day?

    They have very wealthy donors and can gather together a collection of wealthy donors very quickly for a single purpose like saving ‘their’ side of politics to continue to rule over all others eg property developers, miners, IPA members, murdoch, turnbull himself. Even giant overseas donors/corporations are appreciated – cory bernardi is very active in that space [money never sleeps they say]

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2016 9:48 am

    ‘Misuse of public money’: government hands Bob Day-linked institution nearly $2 million:
    …The federal government handed a $2 million grant to a small trades training school chaired for a decade by senator Bob Day, the crossbencher whose business woes are a threat to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s bid to resurrect the building industry watchdog.

    The one-off allocation, made without any competitive tender process, will let the vocational college in Adelaide’s north trial Senator Day’s pet project, a new apprenticeship system known as “student builders”…

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2016 10:32 am

    While the senate is down one

  39. Tom R permalink
    November 2, 2016 11:13 am

    Robb has promised not to “pick up the phone” for 18 months.

    That’s just ludicrous. I hope that’s some kind of joke.

    Either way, robb sold out Australia’s interest with the fta, and now gets his payment.
    spivs and shonks, that’s who’s governing us at the moment.

  40. Tom R permalink
    November 2, 2016 3:11 pm

    Did someone mention spivs and shonks?

    The Abbott government approved Bob Day’s potentially unconstitutional office deal against the advice of its own bureaucrats, who raised specific concerns about his financial stake in the building.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-approved-bob-days-office-deal-despite-departmental-advice-not-to-20161102-gsg8rf.html

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2016 3:11 pm

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2016 4:18 pm

    Just as a matter of interest I found THAT cartoon by Bill Leak offensive and confronting… but it was also very pointed.

    I don’t think it should be illegal to draw/write that cartoon

  43. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 4, 2016 4:51 pm

    It is no surprise that Leak is being crucified. Nor is it a surprise that persecution is being led by the government agency charged with enforcing leftist morals and acting as thought police against any alternative views.

    Anything that hints at people taking personal responsibility for their own lives and circumstances will provoke an outpouring of righteous mewling from the left. For example it is apparently hate speech to “blame the victim” as they phrase it. Victims give meaning to the vacuous lives of leftists. Their ideal society is one were everyone is a victim – each grateful for the caring leftists who alone know how to make a perfect world!

    Bill Leak mentioned the unmentionable. His biggest mistake is to imply that if people take some personal responsibility things may improve for them without the ministrations of lefty do-gooders. Leftists are a cancer on society. They are proof that humans have a suicide gene and they are the living expression of it.

    Leftism is nothing more than a mental illness that afflicts the middle and upper classes when they decide that their lives are incomplete without a deep and abiding feeling of their own moral superiority.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2016 6:36 pm

    … is it only me who has noticed the inverse correlation of religion entering oz politics and the fall in morals?

    Bloodyfknhilarious … LOL! (or in some circles ROLF – apparently)

    Why is the trewf always so funny! (well it would be if it weren’t so fkn damaging!)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Leftists are a cancer on society.

    I think you mean … “organised religions are a cancer on society”

    🙂

  45. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2016 10:35 am

    Bill Leak mentioned the unmentionable.

    I don’t recall him mentioning anything about the abuses going on in Don Dale etal?

    It is no surprise that Leak is being crucified.

    I’m glad we agree on that 😉

  46. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2016 10:38 am

    Sucked shit!

    Carlton & United Breweries facing ‘excessive’ costs from industrial dispute

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/carlton–united-breweries-facing-excessive-costs-from-industrial-dispute-20161104-gshwxu

    As an aside, I no longer drink Carlton Cold, I’ve gone back to our foreign owned local brew.

    Yaaay Choice!

  47. November 5, 2016 11:38 am

    I went to New Zealand.

    And now I am back.

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 5, 2016 12:02 pm

    Welcome back, reb. I hope you had a nice time there.

  49. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2016 12:48 pm

    One does not simply walk into New Zealand!

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 5, 2016 12:52 pm

    Leak’s crime was to suggest that people take personal responsibility for themselves and their families. This is anathema to the left who blame “society” and then seek to re-create it in their own misshapen image.

    Those who buy into the left’s victim view of the world end up like poor Cindy Prior, living in a parallel universe where everybody else is responsible for their troubles and short-comings:

    Simone Shaw, a psychologist who conducted a long interview and examination, said in a 13-page report that Ms Prior was “unlikely to attribute personal responsibility to events that occur in her life”.

    “As a result of this personality style, she is likely to blame and ­begrudge others when she perceives she has been mistreated, which appears evident in relation to the incident on 28 May, 2013,’’ Dr Shaw reported.

    “She may be blindly uncritical of her own behaviour and insensitive to negative consequences ­associated with her behaviour, tending to minimise the negative impact that her behaviour has on others and on herself.

    Victimhood is central to the leftist project. Cindy Prior is the perfect example of a leftist victim – quick to take offence, scream racism and hold her paw out for a $250k.

    The left need people like Cindy to live in an alternate reality where the world is dominated by evil racists and every perceived slight needs to be litigated.

  51. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2016 1:13 pm

    Leak’s crime was to suggest that people take personal responsibility for themselves and their families.

    No it wasn’t, it was to to insinuate that Aboriginal fathers do not care at all about their children.

    If it was as you suggest, why would the (media?) council have forced them to put up articles specifically from Aboriginals about that?

    Balancing all of these considerations, and after consulting with key complainants, the Press Council considers that the best outcome in the public interest is to promote free speech and the contest of ideas through the publication of two major op-ed pieces in The Australian, providing Indigenous perspectives on the cartoon and shedding light on the underlying issues.
    With the agreement by The Australian to publish these items prominently, we believe that the complaints have been effectively resolved through an appropriate remedy, and no further action will be taken by the Press Council.

    http://www.presscouncil.org.au/media-release-6-sept-2016/

    Interestingly, I haven’t seen those “prominent” articles.

    I think they call that ‘revisionist history’ sb 😉

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2016 1:25 pm

    Is, sb, becoming more irrational … or just deliberately irritating?

    G’day, sreb, or should I say brew … ?

  53. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 5, 2016 1:30 pm

    “No it wasn’t, it was to insinuate that Aboriginal fathers do not care at all about their children.”

    Why can’t you just tell the truth? The cartoon insinuates that there are some deadbeat dads who are aboriginal. But apparently that is saying the unsayable. Which is precisely why that problem will never be solved! In lefty la-la land individuals are never responsible for their actions or circumstances. The holy trinity of “society”, Rupert Murdoch and Gina Rhinehart are always to blame.

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 5, 2016 2:15 pm

    In fairness Leak also showed an Aboriginal policeman requesting responsibility from an Aboriginal parent.

    It’s not as if there was an insinuation that it was whites reqesting it.
    ————
    Today I saw a house displaying a Trump flag. It was untouched by graffiti. I found that quite odd as i felt inclined to pop into a shop and purchase a can of spray paint.

  55. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2016 2:31 pm

    The cartoon insinuates that there are some deadbeat dads who are aboriginal.

    At least you moved on to it being specifically about Aboriginals now, and not just “people”

    And it is not as if you understood the message, and neither did everybody else, as the press councils fig leaf to murdor shows.

    Has leak done anything about the atrocities that Don Dale exposed AT ALL?

    Or has he just continued to blame it all on Aborigines.

    Here’s some light listening for you.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2016-10-30/7964472

    It should highlight that the issues surrounding Aborigines is far removed from leaks cartoons. I’ll bet he daren’t ever draw a cartoon depicting a rich mayor grafting millions to already well of whites while ignoring the underclass under his very nose.

    Once leak starts drawing something not so blatantly racist and that addresses the REAL issues, not the isolated outcomes, then maybe he’ll stop being called what he so obviously is.

  56. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2016 2:36 pm

    Is, sb, becoming more irrational

    perhaps yor just reading him more TB? 😉

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2016 3:35 pm

    … perhaps yor just reading him more TB?

    I have been travelling around with rellies a lot these last few weeks (BTW Uluru IS worth a trip) and I was just trying to catch up … so you are probably correct … I was reading rather than the usual skimming … 🙂

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 5, 2016 3:51 pm

    depictinga rich mayor grafting millions to already well of whites while ignoring the underclass under his very nose

    I’ve just had a look at a sample of his cartoons, and I’d suggest that he considers any subject suitable for his work. That’s what cartoonists do

  59. November 5, 2016 6:34 pm

    Tom R thinks cartoons should be policed.

    LOAM!

  60. November 5, 2016 7:04 pm

    You can spend a week in Auckland in a day.

    I was there for three days.

    It felt like a life sentence.

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2016 11:23 am

    ToSY finally gone over I see …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Noice lunch here …

    http://www.theedgerestaurant.net.au/

    … on Friday …

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 6, 2016 11:40 am

    I’ve never been to New Zealand. I think it is a place I’ll visit when I’m TB’s age.

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2016 6:48 pm

    I think it is a place I’ll visit when I’m TB’s age.

    Next year?

  64. November 6, 2016 7:42 pm

    ROLF.

  65. November 6, 2016 11:17 pm

    Only three days to go!

    ls everybody enjoying the teabag-panic as much as l am???

  66. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2016 10:00 am

    Tom R thinks cartoons should be policed.

    You’ll have to walk me through yer analysis there tosy.

    As far as I’m concerned, dickheads can draw what they want, but they shouldn’t complain about being called dickheads for doing so. If they don’t want to be called dickheads, then maybe they should, of their own volition, reflect on what they are drawing.

    Until then, they’ll continue to be called dickheads.

    I see yomm reckons leak does a a wide variety of crap. But fails to highlight even one that might be considered supportive of Aborigines and the predicament they have been forced into.

    ls everybody enjoying the teabag-panic as much as l am???

    I get the feeling that they are more relieved he’s not going to be hammered as much as was earlier predicted. But then, he still might be. Here’s to hoping 🙂

  67. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2016 10:09 am

    Thank dog for this. The local Labor grubmint has been pushing hard for a dump, looks like cooler heads prevailed.

    Two thirds of a citizens’ jury deliberating the Nuclear Fuel Cycle Royal Commission does not want South Australia to store high-level nuclear waste “under any circumstances”.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-06/sa-citizens-jury-vote-against-storing-nuclear-waste/7999262

    I often wondered if this was another reason the abbot grubmint hit SA jobs so hard, to try and force Weatherills back against a wall. It’s no secret that, once Holdens go, this place will become a ghost town. More so even 😉

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 7, 2016 10:19 am

    Senator roberts is having a presser

    Yes! that’s exactly what the jeebus has been doing all this time – why has no senator stood up and denied him so emphatically!

  69. November 7, 2016 10:24 am

    “Until then, they’ll continue to be called dickheads.”

    I see. In your world “being called dickheads” is the same as being called before the HRC to plead before Grand Inquisitor Triggs.

    LOLAPALOOZA!

  70. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2016 10:27 am

    Is there a formal protocol for removing Senators or MPs who become clinically insane while in office?

    I think it’s pretty clear he left the plantation quite a while ago. But as to the question, this seems to fit this grubmints modus operandi 😉

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2016 10:30 am

    Yep, ToSY’s, flying … high! 😀

  72. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2016 10:32 am

    In your world “being called dickheads” is the same as being called before the HRC to plead before Grand Inquisitor Triggs.

    Again tosy, you’ll have to highlight from my comments what leads you to this belief?

    Of course, IF he has a case to answer, he should. But then, I recall a couple of guys got in similar bother for drawing a guy copulating with a dog (and fair enough too, it went too far imo)

    So please, are you able to back up your assertion?

    Or will you do a yomm and just keep making them regardless?

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2016 10:32 am

    Is there a formal protocol for removing Senators or MPs who become clinically insane while in office?

    “Empirically” insane before he was “in office” …

  74. November 7, 2016 10:35 am

    “Of course, IF he has a case to answer, he should. ”

    Ergo, in his own words, Tom R thinks cartoons should be policed.

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 7, 2016 10:53 am

    How is it going with David Lleyonhjelm’s racial discrimination case? We don’t seem to be hearing much from the 18C warriors about him.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-07/politics-live-november-7/7996664
    …Labor on 18C

    Tony Burke has weighed in on commentary surrounding the Racial Discrimination Act.

    My colleague Uma Patel was listening in as the labor frontbencher arrived at Parliament House this morning.

    She writes that Mr Burke said:

    “I think they’re all (Australians) a bit sick of hearing people who will never be the target of racial discrimination become the experts on why it’s not a problem”…

  76. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2016 11:11 am

    Ergo, in his own words, Tom R thinks cartoons should be policed.

    If you mean in the same way that EVERYTHING in the public sphere is policed, then yea.

    You know, the same way the dog botherer ‘policed’ the chaser 😉

    “Empirically” insane before he was “in office” …

    fair point 🙂

  77. November 7, 2016 11:35 am

    ‘Because there is a broad ban in academic circles on “blaming the victim,” it is generally considered unacceptable to question the reasonableness (let alone the sincerity) of someone’s emotional state, particularly if those emotions are linked to one’s group identity. The thin argument “I’m offended” becomes an unbeatable trump card . . . Everyone is supposed to rely upon his or her own subjective feelings to decide whether a comment by a professor or a fellow student is unwelcome, and therefore grounds for a harassment claim. Emotional reasoning is now accepted as evidence.’

  78. Orang or Tang permalink
    November 7, 2016 11:38 am

  79. Walrus permalink
    November 7, 2016 12:43 pm

    “If you mean in the same way that EVERYTHING in the public sphere is policed, then yea.”

    That’s interesting. I didn’t hear your howls of protest over this cartoon. In fact why didn’t Gillian soil her undies over it. Or Mr Tim (Whatever his name is) the Race Commissioner ?

    But hey…with Tom R…..it’s the “Team” that counts not the principle

  80. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 7, 2016 1:47 pm

    “…Everyone is supposed to rely upon his or her own subjective feelings to decide whether a comment by a professor or a fellow student is unwelcome, and therefore grounds for a harassment claim. Emotional reasoning is now accepted as evidence.’…”

    That’s how the RWNJ’s operate. Everything is based on ‘gut feeling’ and ‘all my friends say’, apparently how you feel about something is as valid as scientific research. Academics are shunned, yet any irrational crackpot idea to counter objective reasoning is put forward as reasonable and rational. Any effort to educate and inform is seen as “voices being silenced” although no one can ever find where their opinions have actually been silenced, most times they are megaphoned.

  81. November 7, 2016 2:30 pm

    “That’s how the RWNJ’s operate.”

    If you say so.

    GUFF!

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2016 2:53 pm

    FBI clears Hilary Clinton again.

    What will the F***KWIT Trump have to say now? He should just F**K OFF!

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 7, 2016 3:35 pm

    “…What will the F***KWIT Trump have to say now? He should just F**K OFF!…”

    He’s sticking with it being rigged. Not sure if it was still rigged when they decided to reinvestigate, he went quiet then.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/malcolm-roberts-climate-change-press-conference-starts-bad-ends-even-worse-20161106-gsjg86.html

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 7, 2016 3:43 pm

    Abolishing Section 18C: AKA free speech for the few://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abolishing-section-18c-aka-free-speech-for-the-few,9697

  85. Walrus permalink
    November 7, 2016 4:44 pm

    “Sorry, link here”

    Pity John Pissant failed to give any solid examples to back up his claims. Just his opinion dealt out as fact

  86. November 7, 2016 5:36 pm

    “Just his opinion dealt out as fact”

    ROOF!

  87. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2016 5:45 pm

    In fact why didn’t Gillian soil her undies over it.

    Something about ‘truth to power” rings true there.

    But, if they had a problem, then perhaps they should have gone through the correct channels (you know, like 18c or something). But no, there were just summary sackings, based on ‘gut feeling’ and ‘all my friends say’.

    Talk about ‘policing cartoonists’ We had execs as judge, jury and executioner there. No law, just ‘gut feeling’ and ‘all my friends say’. At least leak is given the opportunity to mount his defense. Mind you, still waiting to see him comment on the actual abuse at Don Dale, rather than ‘look over there’ ………

    The thin argument “I’m offended” becomes an unbeatable trump card

    See above, and reflect on ao’s comment about the RWNJ’s, and the insightful “guff” which was all you could manage.

  88. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2016 5:47 pm

    “Just his opinion dealt out as fact”

    Can you highlight where he claimed it was fact?

    I mean, the opening paragraph says

    John Passant discusses freedom of speech

    Or isn’t that sort of ‘free speech’ allowed?

  89. Walrus permalink
    November 7, 2016 5:48 pm

    “ROOF!”

    Sorry ToSY I’m trying to work out what your comment might mean. Is it something to do with this ………..?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=roofing

  90. November 7, 2016 5:52 pm

    T”alk about ‘policing cartoonists’ We had execs as judge, jury and executioner there. No law, just ‘gut feeling’ and ‘all my friends say’.”

    What are you even talking about?

    “See above, and reflect on ao’s comment about the RWNJ’s, and the insightful “guff” which was all you could manage”

    Perhaps I could have summoned up one final, all-consuming effort and said something more meaningful and fact-free, like: “That’s how SJWs operate”, but I couldn’t be bothered!

    FLOOR!

  91. November 7, 2016 6:17 pm

    AHRC Cartoon Police:

  92. November 7, 2016 6:53 pm

    “Less than a month ago, it was a foregone conclusion among many election modelers and forecasters that Clinton was on pace for a resounding Electoral College victory. Now, those same forecasters are hedging their bets, acknowledging there is a greater likelihood that Trump could pull off a Nov. 8 shocker.”

    “forecasters” 😆

  93. November 7, 2016 8:20 pm

    Experts,,,,hedge bets as election tightens,,,,

    Thanks tinfoil`osy that was a nice find. According to tonights sbsnews, this is a little over-blown

    ,,,,Tens of millions have already cast their ballots, with election experts predicting that 40 percent of the voting population will have voted before Tuesday. Here`s what to watch for as the remaining 60 percent head to the polls,,,,

    Sbs reckons 10-mill have already voted, and `estimate` 60-mill `yet` to vote, which seems a little closer to the voting maths l already knew.

    l have thoroughly enjoyed the stream of cack running down the legs of repugs, democats, and teabag-media since the-ronald beat jeb-w and the other 15-repugs for nomination.

    l will also thoroughly enjoy the-ronald winning and keeping the cack running down their legs for 4-years. After all, who says pundits and teabag-media can`t be wrong 17-times straight???? (-:

  94. November 7, 2016 8:41 pm

    lt has also been a bad few weeks for `pretend-feministas` and `onion-panic-ers` too. (Let`s hope they have fled the country and are hiding away safely at venice beach.) ln a recent 3-week period, boardrooms have managed to willfully, recklessly, negligently, kill one construction worker in jonestown, boltsville and the west-coast, TWO in bananatown, and FOUR members of the public in a bananaland fun-park. To add insult to mass-murder, the fun-park boardroom-boss paid herself `about` $3/4-mill bonus.

    During the same period, the cmfu2 killed nobody.

  95. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 3:08 am

    What are you even talking about?

    GUFF-AWE

    You might need to go back into your little memory bubble to recall what happened to the actors around the comic in question 😉

    AHRC Cartoon Police:

    What are you even talking about?

    Human Rights Commission had ‘no role’ in racial vilification court case against QUT students

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-07/18c-racial-vilification-facebook-qut-case-hrc-denies-involvement/8002598

    Or have you been listening to murdor/our grubmint again?

    “forecasters”

    Surely they had “models” at least?

  96. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 3:14 am

    And back on ‘message’ with leak

    It is completely impossible to explain to thick-witted, dumb reptiles of the Shanahan kind that after a couple of centuries of enduring black bashing, more even black bashing, dressed up in the guise of “truth telling” remains, at its ignoble heart, black bashing …

    Not once does the Shanahan give this a nanosecond’s thought. What’s Hogarth, scribbling away in England, got to do with a proud and entrenched history of colonial black bashing?

    Not once either does Shanahan explain how Leak uses humour to get his message, or his racist black bashing, point, across.

    Instead there’s the usual blather about “valid arguments” …

    Sam Goldfish had the right response to this sort of well-meaning, earnest blather which confuses satire with morally uplifting activities …

    ……………………………..

    “A message? A valid argument? Just draw a cartoon that’s funny. Messages are for Western Union. If you’ve got a message, send a telegram. Or write a leaden column for the reptile Oz. If the Oreo and the fundamentalist Catholic can do it, anyone can.”

    Dorothy gets the reptiles in the pond, and loons the perfect descriptor

    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/please-wont-someone-end-reptile.html#.WCCmz_l_eUk

  97. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 3:40 am

    As someone once said … GUFFAW!

    Hinch wants proof of Abbott citizenship

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/11/07/17/14/hinch-wants-proof-of-abbott-citizenship

    Is hinch ROOFING yabot?

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2016 9:02 am

    “The poll of 1,846 people, published in the Australian, found the opposition is leading the Coalition 53% to 47% on a two-party preferred basis.

    The poll, taken from last Thursday to Sunday, represents a 3.4% swing against the Coalition. If repeated at the next election, it would indicate a loss of 17 seats for the Turnbull government … “

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2016 9:07 am

    Less than five months since the last election …it will only get worse for TurnAbbott now …

    The government’s a dead fish … will achieve nothing, except more rancour as the economy and the country continue to stagnate … the Robber Barons continue on their way raping and pillaging and the peasants get less and angry at the incompetence and greed of a government for banks and big business …

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 8, 2016 9:59 am

    It is a bit rich for Lying Mongrel Triggs to accuse Turnbull of being misleading.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2016 10:01 am

    But that’s what RWNJ’s are … deceptive, misleading, lying, greedy, cheating … dithpikable!

    .

    😀

  102. November 8, 2016 10:24 am

    “You might need to go back into your little memory bubble to recall what happened to the actors around the comic in question😉”

    I still don’t know which cartoon comic you’re talking about.

    LOLL!

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 8, 2016 10:32 am

    But that’s what RWNJ’s are … deceptive, misleading, lying, greedy, cheating …

    I think you need to look in the mirror more often

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2016 12:36 pm

    Jobs ‘n’ Growth?

    RBA “mining bust – over” … “construction boom – finishing” …

    Jobs ‘n’ Growth?

    Part time and casual jobs increasing … full time decreasing …

    Jobs ‘n’ Growth?

    Plebiscite?

    Jobs ‘n’ Growth?

    Illegitimate senators?

    Jobs ‘n’ Growth?

    Cheating Pensioners

    Jobs ‘n’ Growth?

    $250, 000 junket to France

    Jobs ‘n’ Growth?

    ad fkn nauseam!

    Fiddling and piddling with taxpayers hard earned while Australia burns …

    But that’s what RWNJ’s are … deceptive, misleading, lying, greedy, cheating …and absolutely incompetent … based on retrospective ideology.

    Give the Prime Meddler a fiddle to play and complete the picture!

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 8, 2016 1:00 pm

    Why doesn’t your comment apply to the ALP?

  106. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 1:02 pm

    I still don’t know which cartoon comic you’re talking about.
    LOLL!

    Yea, cos reading back is so difficult for some.

    Here’s a hint

    In fact why didn’t Gillian soil her undies over it.

    (you know, the comment I was responding to)

    It is a bit rich for Lying Mongrel Triggs to accuse Turnbull of being misleading.

    So does the fact that she was badgered into saying something she very quickly corrected excuse the lolstrayan and turnbull for making shit up (and not correcting the record)

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2016 1:17 pm

    Jobs ‘n’ Growth?

  108. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 8, 2016 1:29 pm

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/speech/html/speech.htm

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    In an uncertain and fast‑changing world, we walk tall — as a nation confidently living within its means.

    This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time.

    Wayne Swan 8/5/2012

  109. November 8, 2016 1:48 pm

    “Recall what happened to the actors around the comic in question”

    Nothing?

  110. Walrus permalink
    November 8, 2016 1:57 pm

    Its pretty clear that Triggs is a serial liar

    7:30 Report last night.

    Triggs to Leigh Sales………………

    “On that particular matter … what we did was do what we normally do which is investigate the facts, get a sense of what each of the parties is saying and then attempt to conciliate the matter….“And in good faith we tried for 13 or 14 months. I think this one was difficult because the parties took different points of view. There were a number of students that had said different things and so the issues in relation to each of them was different.”

    From Calum Thwaites one of the students

    “They never had any contact with us. I never received one piece of correspondence from the commission. There is absolutely no truth in what she said about that last night on 7.30 and to Fairfax Media. She was claiming that the students were being consulted from the start by the commission and that there was this ‘good faith’ dialogue but that is completely false.

  111. Walrus permalink
    November 8, 2016 1:58 pm

    “Recall what happened to the actors around the comic in question”

    Get your facts right TomR.

    Mike Carlton resigned

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 8, 2016 2:13 pm

    Mongrel Triggs is an habitual liar which is why she has been elevated to Lying Mongrel Triggs. She is nothing more than an ALP stooge playing politics with the lives of others.

  113. November 8, 2016 3:13 pm

    Watch a vegetarian eat meat for the first time in 22 years

  114. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 3:35 pm

    facts, they seem to be a moving feast don’t they 😉

    However, the Herald later took a harder line and informed Carlton he was suspended from writing his weekly column for four to six weeks. Carlton resigned immediately.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/aug/06/sydney-morning-heralds-mike-carlton-resigns-over-gaza-column-reaction

  115. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 3:49 pm

    She was claiming that the students were being consulted from the start by the commission

    You’ll have to highlight where she said that, as here actual words are

    So the first obligation is to accept the complaint and then to investigate it and conciliate it.

    On that particular matter and I have to remind you that this is still before the Federal Court against the university and one student and others but what we did was do what we normally do which is investigate the facts, get a sense of what each of the parties is saying and then attempt to conciliate the matter.

    And in good faith we tried for 13 or 14 months. Normally we conciliate about 76 per cent of matters within three or four months. That’s normal.

    She never said that they consulted with them, they looked at the facts, and then try to get a sense of it. She also highlighted that, when they did try and contact them, at least one was “difficult to connect”

    It’s the lolstrayan twisting words again, and mixing timeframes (just as they did with the bit about her speaking to Labor ministers about the Children in Detention report), as this is three year old case, when did the “13 or 14 months” fall in amongst that?

    So let’s be frank here, it’s the lolstrayan bullshitting this time, again. They should have stuck with the one time they badgered her out (and which she corrected) and be done with it.

    But that’s not how their ‘free speech’ works, is it 😉

  116. Walrus permalink
    November 8, 2016 4:07 pm

    “You’ll have to highlight where she said that, as here actual words are…..”

    Why dont we start right here…………..

    “So the first obligation is to accept the complaint and then to investigate it and conciliate it.

    So what does the word “conciliate” mean in your World ?

  117. Walrus permalink
    November 8, 2016 4:08 pm

    “….(and which she corrected)…”

    I recall her saying she “reflected upon” her previous answer.

    Meaning she got caught up in her own lies and had to admit it.

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 8, 2016 4:09 pm

    So let’s be frank here …. you are a being a troll, Tom R.

    Lying Mongrel Triggs said “And in good faith we tried for 13 or 14 months.”

    How could Jackboot Gillian and her goons have tried (in good faith) to conciliate the matter without even talking to the accused?

    And how was it acting in good faith to give the students 3 days’ notice of the conciliation (out of the blue after a year of silence) and refuse their request for an extension of time to prepare.

    Triggs should have told Shakedown Cindy to piss off given that her case had no chance of success as the court found.

    Triggs has well and truly earned the title Lying Mongrel.

  119. Walrus permalink
    November 8, 2016 4:17 pm

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/conciliation

    “The process of adjusting or settling disputes in a friendly manner through extra judicial means. Conciliation means bringing two opposing sides together to reach a compromise in an attempt to avoid taking a case to trial.”

  120. November 8, 2016 4:29 pm

    The Guardian: “Columnist leaves after being told he would be suspended for abusing readers criticising his article on the Israel-Hamas conflict”

    LOLLY!

  121. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 4:33 pm

    So what does the word “conciliate” mean in your World ?

    I’m guessing the same as yours.

    But note, that was after the investigation, which could have taken months. The concilliation part would only be at the end, of …. where did that time frame fall again.

    They are simply trying to put words into Triggs mouth, again.

  122. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 4:41 pm

    Good

    Labor will vote against the Turnbull government’s lifetime ban on refugees and asylum seekers who arrive by boat from entering Australia, casting doubt on whether the controversial plan can pass the Parliament.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-to-vote-against-turnbull-governments-lifetime-refugee-visa-ban-20161108-gskaup.html

  123. Walrus permalink
    November 8, 2016 4:48 pm

    “They are simply trying to put words into Triggs mouth, again.”

    Yeah……………by quoting her

    You are just trolling……….again !

  124. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2016 4:59 pm

    by mis-quoting her

    fixed it wally 😉

    which is investigate the facts, get a sense of what each of the parties is saying and then attempt to conciliate the matter.

    How long did that take?

    She also specifically mentioned that at least one student they were unable to contact for a period of time.

    She spoke in sentences wally, but the lolstrayan cherry picks a section here, and a section there, and creates an accusation out of that, ignoring the actual content of what she is saying.

    They’ve been shown to be wrong previously in regards to Triggs doing exactly the same thing before.

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2016 5:22 pm

    THE results of a NASA test into “warp drive” technology have been leaked onto the internet — and apparently show it is possible.

    The findings appear to be good news — that the new technology that could fly spaceships to Mars, put men on the moon in four hours and make flying cars possible actually works in theory.

    The much-anticipated review of EmDrive space propulsion was not supposed to be released until December according to the International Business Times.

    When talking to the International Business Times about his invention previously, he said: “This technology is a quantum leap — it would enable vertical takeoff and landing for aeroplanes, it’s quiet and it uses liquid hydrogen as a fuel, so it’s green too.

    “We will go to Mars, but the most important thing is what EmDrive will do for the rest of the world. It will be solar power stations, city-to-city long-haul flights using hydrogen. It’s green and convenient and will change our world in the next few decades.”

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/nasas-warp-drive-engine-works-and-it-could-take-humans-to-mars-in-weeks/news-story/757094f568430af8139264e60b3a9d2f

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 8:33 am

    One of the problems with 18c and the HRC (in my opinion) is that it encourages conciliation based on the payment of money.

    On the other hand, and equivalent mechanism in the Fair Work Commission – about settling claims of bullying, specifically excludes conciliation about payment.

    This means that the parties have to deal with the behaviour, and corrective actions, and can’t just claim and argue about “go away money”

    I think this model should be introduced into the HRC proceedings, and if a party seeks actual damages – take it to an actual court.

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 9, 2016 8:42 am

    TB, surely you don’t believe everything you read in Rupert’s rag?

    ToM, I think you’ll find that the go away money was paid after the commencement of the case in the actual court:

    A woman seeking $247,470 in a racial vilification row against ­academics, jobless students and a top Queensland university ­offered to drop students from the case in return for $5000 ­payments.

    The Australian can reveal that at least two students, who were accused by indigenous woman Cindy Prior of racial vilification over their posts on a QUT Facebook page in May 2013, accepted confidential settlement offers and were removed from the legal case in the Federal Circuit Court.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 9:20 am

    Well, I think the HRC will conciliate about money during their conciliation process, whereas the Fair Work Commission is specifically prevented from that during conciliation and arbitration about bullying.

    HRC should only be able to conciliate about the behaviour and corrective actions (such as statements).

    The availability of conciliation about money just encourages claims that lack substance.

    …but this QUT case demonstrates that the review of 18c is warranted.

  129. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 9, 2016 9:45 am

    I agree.

  130. Warrantabilities permalink
    November 9, 2016 10:12 am

    (I think this model should be introduced into the HRC proceedings, and if a party seeks actual damages – take it to an actual court.

    A bit like the Federal Circuit Court? Where it could still be sent to conciliation, once an action was effectively commenced, at the time that it was effectively commenced? And primary respondents could be made responsible for notifying secondary respondents, and at relatively short notice? And such a court could entertain joint-and-several matters, not just the very special 18C sub-component which preoccupies the kiddies, in what could still be a live and ongoing case, despite journalisms to the contrary?

    Nah, because the OZ’s OTT beatup/Morris QC’s latest, if not greatest, cheaptalk, especially concerning the AHRC/Triggs, would be seen through instantly, for the BS it is.

    (Particularly since young and aggrieved Calum apparently has provided a Stat. Dec. stating on oath that someone other than his goodself must have commandeered his Facebook account to post text which was published (on a QUT affiliated? Facebook page) of a kind which an interested observer may have supposed might have lent some substance to a certain aspect of Prior’s more involved and more extensive (workplace?) complaint(s); and since a court has accepted that Stat. Dec. and has determined that Prior or Prior’s representatives provided no evidence to the contrary in response to application(s) for summary dismissal(s), and effective severance of some of those secondary parties, but, significantly, not application(s) for summary judgement, the only real person left who could potentially be being defamed, per Morris QC’s looming legal threat, as reported today by Hedley Thomas, by implication, is Mr/Ms Nobody.)

    Or, without the OZ’s half-arsed reporting and OTT campaigning, one might almost have some chance of working out what a rather unexciting piece of (in)judicious administrivia might be about.)

  131. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 9, 2016 10:35 am

    Nah, because the OZ’s OTT beatup/Morris QC’s latest, if not greatest, cheaptalk, especially concerning the AHRC/Triggs, would be seen through instantly, for the BS it is.”

    Wrong! Blathering leftists can’t see anything at all. Blinded by their dumb ideology they just know that the default leftist position is always right.

    If Shakedown Cindy had no evidence of authorship of the nasty comment then she had no right to extort $250k from anyone.

    Thomas has reported matters accurately whereas Lying Mongrel Triggs is habitually unable to tell the truth.

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 11:07 am

    Or, without the OZ’s half-arsed reporting and OTT campaigning, one might almost have some chance of working out what a rather unexciting piece of (in)judicious administrivia might be about.)

    Who is paying Morris QC?

    Yes, young libbers looking to help out the party with their ongoing 18C mission, they infect the QU and QUT with their aggressive ‘young tony abbott’ political tactics of yesteryear. Hedley thomas looking for a scoop. The oz looking for anything to ‘get triggs’ on. Funny about that stat dec. Young lib types wave them about like sick notes from the dr!

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 11:25 am

    So there is a comment about use of computers by non indigenous people at QUT. And that becomes a money making opportunity for an… opportunist.

    But AO, you see that as some liberal issue, rather than an attempt to misuse the law to extort some.cash from students

    Honestly???

  134. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2016 11:33 am

    Thomas has reported matters accurately

    yea, he’s got such an exemplary history of that doesn’t he. AWU and Gillard ring a bell?

  135. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2016 11:34 am

    misuse the law

    Either that, or the law was used correctly and justice was served?

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 11:47 am

    This is how you get a message out and start a conversation about serious issues of race relations – not the way bill leak does it by insulting and racially provocative stereotyping. I didn’t feel this was racist by the author, it actually made me think about conservative religious belief beyond the colour of the skin and race of the subject. Bill leak doesn’t have the intellect for it, he has to ‘smash ’em down with a sledgehammer’ [like all the other oz journo’s]

    “Of course she’s her own person, she can think for herself and can vote for whoever she wants” I don’t dare tell her what to do.

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 11:49 am

    sorry, forgot it wouldn’t show the all important picture for captioning.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 11:55 am

    But AO, you see that as some liberal issue, rather than an attempt to misuse the law to extort some.cash from students

    Yep, i have always seen it as having being made into a political opportunity to assist the libs with their 18C push. The qld young libs are feral animals.

    Perhaps it became a cash issue once the nastiness started and opportunity for conciliation was lost ??

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 12:00 pm

    Cartoonists are provocative and will exaggerate – that’s the nature of cartoons. They should make people uncomfortable – eg Charlie Hebdo

    If you prefer bland and unprovocative cartoons- fine, but don’t bother to censor the ones you don’t like.
    —————
    Either that, or the law was used correctly and justice was served?

    When the law encourages people to react in an opportunistic money making/commercial way, it’s a bad law.

    The Gillard Government realised this when they specifically prevented FWC from being able to conciliate about monetary settlements in bullying cases.

    In FWC neither party can even raise the prospect of a financial settlement.

    The HRC should be required to apply the same standard and prevent this crap that is just based on go away money.

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 12:01 pm

    AO – I’m not aware that the students involved in this case were liberal party members. Were they?

  141. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2016 12:22 pm

    They should make people uncomfortable

    So, being racially vilified is simply “making people uncomfortable”

    Spoken like a truly privileged white male

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 12:24 pm

    AO – I’m not aware that the students involved in this case were liberal party members. Were they?

    Ha, I have no idea tomM!

    If you prefer bland and unprovocative cartoons- fine, but don’t bother to censor the ones you don’t like.

    I agree!

    Just don’t buy the oz, don’t encourage them..

    The cartoons are drawn with their audience in mind.

  143. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2016 12:31 pm

    Is pointing out that something is a racist stereotype censoring, or just pointing out that something is a racist stereotype?

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 12:40 pm

    They should make people uncomfortable – eg Charlie Hebdo

    I thought they were supposed to be funny first and then make a point or critique about our society and issues of the day.

    If the point is lost in criticisms of the author, his and his employer’s racist intent and the author having to mount expensive defences of his work like writing a column of his own, his employer mounting a defence on his behalf, plus segments on TV and radio from friendly media to broadcast his defence about his opinion or message, then I think he has not got his confused message across.

    Actually, what was his message – accusing aboriginal men of not knowing the names of their children?

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 12:52 pm

    They should make people uncomfortable.

    They should make ‘certain’ people uncomfortable it seems, people of another race.

    For being born aboriginal? Something they have had no control over and can never do anything about, no matter how much they achieve in life?

    So, being racially vilified is simply “making people uncomfortable”…

    It makes other people feel very superior and comfortable in their privileged status, even when you’re white trash, you’re still always better than them!

    And that’s exactly what the racial discrimination law is all about and white privilege wants the right to continue to offend, insult and vilify others without thought or penalty. It is ‘the australian way’

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 9, 2016 1:02 pm

    “Who is paying Morris QC?”

    Shakedown Cindy – losers pay costs in proper courts.

    The reason the usual malignant leftist cunts are out in force against Leak’s most excellent cartoon is because he committed a major sin against the Holy Leftist Scriptures – he suggested that people take some personal responsibility. That is the last thing on the leftist agenda. Having people take responsibility for themselves and their family undermines the entire leftist project of nanny-state infantalisation of the citizenry. Imagine if everyone did that? Lefty lives would be devoid of meaning as there would be no victims left to care for. The entire leftist project is about turning citizens into victims.

  147. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 9, 2016 1:08 pm

    The real racist in this mess is the hypocritical mongrel Burney who vilified “white middle aged men”. Why isn’t that stupid twat dragged through Jackboot Gillian’s star chamber for her comment which is overtly racist, sexist and ageist.

  148. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2016 1:10 pm

    he suggested that people take some personal responsibility.

    Unless of course you work at Don Dale it seems.

  149. November 9, 2016 1:14 pm

    The election is close. Go Trump!

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 1:27 pm

    i can’t wait to see Trump make a total tool of himself by either –
    * declining to concede, or
    * conceding in his self righteous, pompous COMPLETE F***WIT manner!

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 1:40 pm

    Having people take responsibility for themselves and their family undermines the entire leftist project of nanny-state infantalisation of the citizenry.

    Much better to have an authoritarian fascist Corporatocracy, complete with police, cameras and dogs everywhere and your every move, personal and electronic, monitored by the state. Corporations can do whatever they like but citizens have no rights at all, other than to consume. Throw in some religion, that will keep them compliant and stupid.

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 1:47 pm

    Sounds just like Australia!

  153. November 9, 2016 1:59 pm

    betting markets now have Trump favourite to be president..

  154. November 9, 2016 2:00 pm

    id be investing in bricklayers supplies about now.

  155. November 9, 2016 2:03 pm

    “betting markets now have Trump favourite to be president..”

    I took some $5.50 earlier today.

    ROLF!

  156. November 9, 2016 2:17 pm

    I just backed Hillary at $4.60. Now I can’t lose, no matter what happens.

  157. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:18 pm

    🙂

  158. November 9, 2016 2:18 pm

    She’s now $5.20, Trump $1.14.

  159. November 9, 2016 2:22 pm

    “DOW FUTURES DOWN NEARLY 500 POINTS”

    AXS down 2.8%, also. Doesn’t worry me. The same thing happened after Brexit. The markets bounced back stronger than ever. It’s an opportunity.

    BUY!

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:24 pm

    I just backed Hillary at $4.60. Now I can’t lose, no matter what happens.

    DILL!*

    (*oh yes you can … )

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:25 pm

    Citizens rights are being curtailed by the nanny-state thought police. It is the leftist project to have a compliant and grateful citizenry addicted to welfare.

  162. November 9, 2016 2:26 pm

    “DILL!* (*oh yes you can … )”

    Okay, I’ll bite. How?

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:26 pm

    Hang on to your $4.60, ToSY … ’cause here we go …

    https://www.google.com/finance?cid=10584617

  164. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:27 pm

    Exciting times: Trump will win. Lefttist heads will explode and the rapist’s wife will go to jail.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:28 pm

    It is the Right Wing project to have a compliant and religious citizenry addicted to warfare.

    There ya go fixed it for ya!

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:34 pm

    Exciting times: Trump will win. Lefttist heads will explode and the rapist’s wife will go to jail.

    And we can all watch to see if the dollar drops further than the bombs!

    Note: History repeats itself … constantly … the Western Empire is crumbling and the only people that see it are the real LEFTISTS you fear … Russia, China, N Korea, Phillipines … then add extreme religions … and the naive RWNJ’s vote to destroy their own world …

    Would be hilarious if it wasn’t so fkn serious … hope you lot can defend yourselves …

    The HRC will fade into the background very quickly with Trump at the wheel …

    The “extremes” are on the right … not the left … corporate power and religion …

  167. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:37 pm

    Lefttist heads will explode and the rapist’s wife will go to jail.

    And the potus will be in front of child rape charges before the year is out.

    What a world 😉

  168. Rhetoricals, Rhetoricals permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:38 pm

    (The HRC should be required to apply the same standard and prevent this crap that is just based on go away money.

    I was vaguely under the impression that go-away/money was why so much of the ‘efficient administration of justice’ was devolved to conciliation/mediation as the dispute resolution mechanism of (almost mandatory) first resort; even the Federal Circuit Court appears to reflect a bit of informal ‘compromise’; so what, exactly, would make one think that the court(s), and/or the governments and/or the taxpayers underwriting any such ad hoc intuitions, would want to be first in line for being subject/ed to clogging with/in even a relatively small number of the thousands of complaints/cases, typically involving relatively uncontroversial matters and relatively insignificant quanta, which parties usually can, and very often do, resolve among themselves, with a bit of non-arbitral prompting; unless the instant cross-jurisdictional cross-fertilisation is apt to spawn new and much-increased-but-(in?)appropriately-delimited powers for the Star Chamber so-called (by some) and prospect of enhanced concurrent/consequent jurisdictional exposure(s)? Particularly when the apparent cause for the good idea involves a singular case in which, thus far, an actual judge has specifically declined a clear opportunity to deem ‘this crap’ as being ‘crap’, aka frivolous or vexatious, and the matter appears to involve relief being sought for loss of wages, aka money, among other reliefs which have, or might (have) be(en) sought, which claim(s) wouldn’t necessarily disappear, or not at least without (being seen to be) running foul of equitable notions about wrongs having remedies, or necessarily become abandoned, possibly, and probably, merely diverted, or, and better yet, duplicated/dispersed/fragmented among and between fora.)

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 2:42 pm

    BTW the All Ords were over 32 points UP this morning …

    What an exciting time to be a child of the Universe … 😦

  170. November 9, 2016 2:45 pm

    Here comes the Rust-Belt.

    Prepare to be Drained!!!! (-:

  171. November 9, 2016 3:06 pm

    Just bought some more shares in a certain bank, down nearly 3% on the day with a fully-franked dividend to be paid next month.

    GO TRUMP!

  172. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 9, 2016 3:09 pm

    “And the potus will be in front of child rape charges before the year is out.”

    Obama did what?

  173. November 9, 2016 3:14 pm

    The cubicle dwellers and surfing pinkists hiding-out at venice beach must be slitting their wrists about now!! (-:

  174. November 9, 2016 3:17 pm

    I demand we have a new weekly thread called “ToSY’s Gambling Tips.”

    I’d be an avid reader.

    You can stick your pictures up your arse.

  175. November 9, 2016 3:19 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  176. November 9, 2016 3:19 pm

    If anyone still thinks Hillary can win, the odds are now $12.00!

  177. November 9, 2016 3:26 pm

    A TAB punter put $73,000 on Hillary this morning at odds of $1.22. He’d be feeling very sick at the moment.

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 4:01 pm

    Trump remains a F***WIT!

  179. Walrus permalink
    November 9, 2016 4:02 pm

    “………….BUY!…………..”

    Correct……………..just not quite yet……………for me anyways

  180. Electoral Collage permalink
    November 9, 2016 4:04 pm

    (Prepare to be Drained!!!! (-:

    Guilty confession: part of me has secretly been hoping that Joe Wurzelbacher‘s dream finally comes true, and that the Trump Truck Competition really pays off; but only because I’m a bit of a fan of Vermin, err, Beef Supreme.)

  181. November 9, 2016 4:07 pm

    “Correct……………..just not quite yet……………for me anyways”

    I know. It could be worse (better) tomorrow. But that’s okay. I’ll just buy some more.

    GET ON THE TRUMP TRAIN!

  182. November 9, 2016 4:34 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  183. November 9, 2016 4:44 pm

    (More than guilty confessions and a fan of trucks and cheeses need to be learned by teabag-media and its dribbling followers that CAN manage to be rightly wrongly 17-consecutive times straight. They will continue to fail to learnificate the rustbeltifications that have remained for so long, for so many. The rust-belters, as l predicted, would brexit-like join the-ronald to demonstrate their opposition to continually being thrown under the truck of dud-deals.)

  184. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2016 5:04 pm

    lol

    Just wondering, if any yanks try to get here by boat………………??

  185. Walrus permalink
    November 9, 2016 5:10 pm

    I wonder how Angela Merkel fancies her chances at her upcoming election ?

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 5:29 pm

    But wait! There’s more!

    Trump is a Presbyterian. In an April 2011 interview, on the 700 Club, Trump said, “I’m a Protestant, I’m a Presbyterian. And you know I’ve had a good relationship with the church over the years. I think religion is a wonderful thing.

    ROPL!

  187. November 9, 2016 5:35 pm

    dot point, brexit `remains`

    dot point, the-ronald `remains` (-:

    dot point, the fcukwit `remains` in its cubicle

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 5:40 pm

    Blame the media????

  189. November 9, 2016 6:30 pm

    I think it’s dishonest for the msm to say that One Nation celebrated Trump’s win with champagne. It was probably Queen Adelaide or Lambrusco.

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 6:40 pm

    Blame the American people … !

    The German people thought that Hitler would bring them into the “golden age” … look how that worked out? …

    … in the fifties I was taught to hide under my school desk in the event of a nuclear attack … how dumb was that?

    … in the seventies I was handed rifle to stop the “domino effect” of Communism … Vietnam is now a Communist state … how wasteful was that? …

    … now it looks like we have an arsehole who has no idea about trade, defence, international relationships, alliances, BUSINESS, government, race relationships, negotiation … in fact anything that a GOOD government should do …

    And what’s worse the Dems look like they will take the Senate … and like Australia will grind to a HALT!

    All this is destroying peoples’ superannuation … and none of us can VOTE!

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 6:43 pm

    It was probably Queen Adelaide or Lambrusco.

    Killawarra Dusk … I reckon … certainly ain’t a dawning of a new age …

  192. November 9, 2016 6:50 pm

    On my abc they have reported on the `ticker` hilary has just called the-ronald to concede, the numbers are hilary-215 and theRonald-289, with 2-states remaining anthony green predicts you can add 10-or 12-points to those numbers as final result.

    l do hope the resident feminista can quickly recover from her fetal position under her bed and enjoy the unhingement with me. #4moreYears (-:

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2016 7:04 pm

    I think Minchinbury is the choice of people like Pauline Hanson

  194. November 9, 2016 7:09 pm

    And,,,,what`s worse the Dems look like they will take the Senate,,,,

    # ,, on my abc they reported (between drying tears) the repugs have both congress and senate #justsaying

    # ,, l must say l have enjoyed the `stunned-mullet` blather coming out of my abc today too, zoe daniel was at hilary-HQ and had looked like she had been crying previously, zoe probably thought she was going to report `history` (shatter glass ceiling, first female prez, feminista stuff) ,, unwittingly of course zoe did report history (first `double-rejected` female) tho.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 7:23 pm

    The iggorance of some commenters here astounds me …

    The “Free World” (LOLLOLLIP!) has just been soundly Trumped and they don’t even know (the consequences to them) it …

    Politics is not a gambling game … the USA has just elected its own Duterte … wait for the “arresting” of “illegals” …

    21st Century Monopoly!

    At our expense!

    The world is full of morons …

  196. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 9, 2016 7:30 pm

    Strange thing is i think Clinton is for free trade and open borders. Trump wants to build a wall and look after American workers.

  197. November 9, 2016 8:17 pm

    Wow!! my abc just reported hilary didn`t front her cheer-squad at hilary-HQ about `conceding`, she sent a bloke out to speech-make to them. lts a good thing the-ronald is the `bad-sport` in this event. (-:

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 9, 2016 8:18 pm

    “…l do hope the resident feminista can quickly recover from her fetal position under her bed and enjoy the unhingement with me. #4moreYears (-…”

    Bring it on I say!
    The establishment and political class should realise, people really are fed up with them.
    Hope it happens here too, our pollies are on notice now, will they change their ways?
    Pauline hopes her dreams of being PM are realised.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2016 8:23 pm

    That’s a bother, KL!

  200. November 9, 2016 9:53 pm

    and,,,,political class should realise, people really are fed up with them. Hope it happens here too, our pollies are on notice now, will they change their ways?,,,

    # ,, nope, they won`t learn a damn thing, our ku-klux-zombies in canberra couldn`t organize a gay-marriage if their life depended on it.

    ,,,,Pauline hopes her dreams of being PM are realised.,,,

    # ,, which has made me re-think my anti-repug stance, l am now in favor of a usa-model, popularly elected prez with power. The rust-belters and others trampled definitely need to able to throw a fresh turd in the swamp to agitate already `embedded` swamp critters. None of these `hood-ornament` repug-models should even be considered. (-:

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