So Donald’s The President, Now What?
November 9, 2016
Look he might be insane, but that shouldn’t prevent anyone from becoming the leader of the so-called “free world” and arguably the most powerful nation in the world.
Heck, here in Australia, we have our fair share of nut jobs occupying the hallways of power with the likes of Bernardi, Hanson, Abetz and Christensen haunting Turnbull’s every thought and movement, so who are we to mock when the USA seeks out the most heinous individual to lead their own languishing nation from the depths of depravity into some neverneverland. Not I for one..
Well maybe just for a little while.
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theguttertrash.com 
Lie back and enjoy it? FFS!
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/an-increasingly-isolationist-american-could-undermine-our-protective-ring-of-superpower-agreements/news-story/e363d745570dc944483cce9f1881b0c8
And I just saw TurnAbbott answering Aunt Sally questions from Leigh Sales on 7:30 … this government is a fkn kindergarten looking for a sandpit …
For the life of me, I just cannot understand why she lost.
Oohlalalalalalollipop!
All the experts predicted a Hillary win.
FRODO!
likes,,,,of Bernardi, Hanson, Abetz and Christensen haunting Turnbull`s every,,,,
# ,, you`re giving them too much blame/credit reb, ultimately talkbull put himself exactly where he is, under his own steam, due to his own ego and own lack of judgement, he doesn`t even have godwin gretch to blame for it.
# ,, l don`t think the world or teh-usa really have that much to worry about, they all survived 8-years of george-w (except iraq, libya, syria, turkey, afghanistan) and l really doubt the-ronald will be anywhere near as destructive despite all the pants-wetting of over-ripe bananas and teabag-media. (-:
Angry bigots now have a president. That’s nice for them.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/the-guardian-view-on-president-elect-donald-trump-a-dark-day-for-the-world
Was trump correct all along?
Was the election rigged?
More like complacently, and outright anger. He’s not a stupid man. He waited until he and his ilk had ripped the guts out of middle America with their ‘trickle down’ mentality and, once all that anger was turned onto one person, in he came as the ‘savior’
Will be interesting watching him save anything.
So, is this a good reason for compulsory voting? Seems to be, whoever can get the most people agitated in America, wins
hehe
You posted as I was typing reb
Mr Trump connected with the anger that many poor and white voters feel. But what can he really do about it?
That’s the big question. I’ll have to try and read your link later, gotta run now.
Well, at least Putin and isis are happy I guess
On the bright side, most people had similar misgivings about Reagan – back in the 1980s, and he didn’t really screw things up as much as expected.
A great victory for the deplorables:
The American people have taken their country back from the elites. Brilliant!
If Trump can do it so can Cory!
(That’s the big question.
Nope; not thinking about it; there’s cute kitten videos to watch.)
How’s that Paris Climate Agreement looking now
LOL
Luckily the Rapist’s Wife hasn’t been convicted yet so Obama can’t pardon her!
I’m waiting for the Lefties to call for the execution of Julian Assange
On the bright side, most people had similar misgivings about Reagan – back in the 1980s, and he didn’t really screw things up as much as expected.
That’s what I was thinking. He’s got a system of government in place, how will he be able to stuff it up? Of course he can make ideological changes, if he’s anything like reagan and thatcher, it will be the people that supported him who will be feeling the pinch, so he will soon feel very unloved.
Or, he could become another abbott, and just do crazy, dumb, stupid things that are beyond belief just because he’s in charge of the world and had a major rush of blood to the head! They say he’s a narcissist too, we’d hope he’d be concerned about a legacy, wasn’t abbott though?
Bananaby is worried about trade and he’s going to hotfoot it over there asap to prostrate himself before the new king’s feet and offer up australia’s riches to him.
Michael Moore’s “Morning After To-Do List” Facebook Post For Democrats Is Going Viral
https://www.good.is/articles/moore-five-point-plan
Morning After To-Do List:
1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.
2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn’t let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must “heal the divide” and “come together.” They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off.
3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that’s about to begin.
4. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You’re fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.
5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above). Let’s try to get this all done by noon today. — Michael Moore
“How many US Presidents have been congratulated by the KKK?”
Of course the Democrats had as a Senator until 2010 one time KKK Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd. No doubt he congratulated Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton and Obama.
“Markets Soar On Trump Bump”
Gee, who could have seen that coming?
FLOP!
“Gee, who could have seen that coming?”
LOL………….yeah got one up on me that’s for sure
Brendan O’Neill:
Some RWNJ or other: “Supporters of Brexit and Trump were continually maligned by the dominant media narrative (validly or otherwise) as primitive, stupid, racist, xenophobic, and irrational. In each case, journalists who spend all day chatting with one another on Twitter and congregating in exclusive social circles in national capitals — constantly re-affirming their own wisdom in an endless feedback loop — were certain of victory. “
Carney makes a very good point. It will be entirely wasted on leftist howler-monkeys venting their righteous rage on the deplorables.
The American people have taken their country back from the elites. Brilliant!
Duh? That’s a Keeper!
Leak
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/63c1cc976d12f18b74699ec24dfa519f
I think it’s fine for the public (such as us here) to comment that Trump is a prick, arrogant, loudmouth, misogynist, racist, ill informed, bigot and entirely unsuited for President.
But I don’t think making such comments is the responsibility of political leaders. Their job is to do the best for the country, and insulting the newly elected leaders of trading partners and allies isn’t really part of the role, or even in the best interests of the country.
“This chick’s unbelievable meltdown”
LAMO!
For what it’s worth – nothing! – I predict Mr Trump will do such a good job as POTUS that he will be elected for a second term with an increased majority.
EIGHT YEARS!
ASX up 3%.
Evidently investors are happy about a Trump Presidency.
“””Bill Shorten MP
21 hours ago.
Every time the people of the United States choose a new President, it has consequences for the world – and for Australia.
The American people have spoken and as always, Australia will respect their decision.
Australians should also know our alliance with the United States has grown and thrived for seven decades – no matter who’s in charge.
It is far bigger than any individual, far more powerful than any personality – and it will endure.
The friendship between our nations is strong enough for honesty.
I will always call it as I see it.
If I see women being disrespected, I’m going to call it out.
If I see people being discriminated against because of the colour of their skin or their religion, I’m going to call it out.
As the alternative Prime Minister of this country, Australians are entitled to know where I stand.”””
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Let’s see what happens from here … Ronald “Which Button?” Reagan managed eight years … Richard “I’m Not A Crook” Nixon … managed five years …
😀
“As the alternative Prime Minister of this country, Australians are entitled to know where I stand.”””
Yeah……………like when you said …………
“I dont know what the Prime Minister said…………..But I support whatever it was she said”
What a pathetic fucking idiot !
#illstandbyyou
What a slimy little Turd Bull Shittin’ is.
“What a pathetic fucking idiot !” “What a slimy little Turd Bull Shittin’ is.”
Yes and yep.
I’ve just had the displeasure of watching Peter Van Onselen on Sky. He is devastated by what the American electorate has done to itself.
MAROON!
Given how stupid Trioli is, this is hilarious:
Perhaps the Guardian should pay closer attention to its headline pages and the juxtaposion of signs in a crowd
Utterly stupid fucking Leftists
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-us-election-2016-live-reactio
What a pathetic fucking idiot !
So, that doesn’t tell you that he stands with his PM, regardless of her position (and since he knows her well, can trust her decisions). It’s called having confidence in your leader, and your choice of them as such. I note he never uttered anything remotely like that about rudd
But I don’t think making such comments is the responsibility of political leaders.
I AGREE!
Like it or lump it, we have to work with the madman, and whilst we can spout nonsense for as long as we like, politicians are …. politicians
Well, they were, now we have trump. Let’s see how that works. (Although, yabot was allowed to spout nonsense and get away with it)
IT WAS RIGGED! 🙂
Well, it certainly seems unjust anyway.
Will pyne declare Clinton the actual winner just because she got more actual votes?
ROFLMAO…………………….I dont go there very often but this is what is posted on the Guardian website………………Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
“Since you’re here …
…we have a small favour to ask. More people are reading the Guardian than ever but far fewer are paying for it. And advertising revenues across the media are falling fast. So you can see why we need to ask for your help. The Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism takes a lot of time, money and hard work to produce. But we do it because we believe our perspective matters – because it might well be your perspective, too.
Fund our journalism and together we can keep the world informed………..”
“Will pyne declare Clinton the actual winner just because she got more actual votes?”
LOL…….TomR rejects election result……………….demands rule changes ansd immediate re-run until the required result is recorded
As,,,,the alternative Prime Minister of this country, Australians are,,,,
# ,, Guffaw!!!! blib stooten won`t have learned a damn thing!!! l hope tinfoil`osy cashes-in on blib`s next `teabag-lite` election run #yaaay.blib
our,,,,journalism and together we can keep the world informed,,,,
# ,, chuckle ,, the industry is still oblivious and in denial
TomR rejects election result
You’ve always had issues with comprehension, haven’t ya wally.
How in the hell did you get that from me pointing out pynes stoopidity?
(and I did highlight my first line with a smiley, perhaps I should have just said [sarc] for the slower, dumber ones)
How in the hell did you get that from me pointing out pynes stoopidity?
I agree … talk about making shyte up and putting it in someone else’s post …
I bet wally talks over everyone at the BBQ and dinner parties too … if he’s “invited” …
Maybe just dyslexic?
“Well, it certainly seems unjust anyway.”
https://bmmphotopoetry.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/support-that-complete-and-utter-bullshit-700×700.jpg?w=665&h=665
WELL DONE nice find tinfoil`osy
The,,,,indisputable fact is that prevailing institutions of authority in the West, for decades, have relentlessly and with complete indifference stomped on the economic welfare and social security of hundreds of millions of people. While elite circles gorged themselves on globalism, free trade, Wall Street casino gambling, and endless wars (wars that enriched the perpetrators and sent the poorest and most marginalized to bear all their burdens), they completely ignored the victims of their gluttony, except when those victims piped up a bit too much ,, when they caused a ruckus ,, and were then scornfully condemned as troglodytes who were the deserved losers in the glorious, global game of meritocracy.,,,,
# ,, AND it is not like they were not pre-warned, OCCUPY went global and told govts of teh-west that the SYSTEM needed to be made fair for their OWN citizens, which teh-west ignored.
30 Years of Trump opinion. Hasn’t changed much.
Yep, like I said wally, comprehension just aint yer strong suit is it
Meanwhile, has pyne made a statement yet?
So you didnt say this
“Well, it certainly seems unjust anyway.”
For,,,,many years, the U.S. ,, like the U.K. and other Western nations ,, has embarked on a course that virtually guaranteed a collapse of elite authority and internal implosion.(#true) From the invasion of Iraq to the 2008 financial crisis to the all-consuming framework of prisons and endless wars, societal benefits have been directed almost exclusively to the very elite[#true] institutions most responsible for failure[#true] at the expense of everyone else.[#true]
It was only a matter of time before instability, backlash, and disruption resulted.[#true] Both Brexit and Trump unmistakably signal its arrival.[#yes] The only question is whether those two cataclysmic events will be the peak[#no] of this process, or just the beginning.[#yes] And that, in turn, will be determined by whether their crucial lessons are learned[#no] ,, truly internalized[#no] ,, or ignored[#yes] in favor of self-exonerating[#yes] campaigns to blame[#yes] everyone else.
# ,, my predictions
So you didnt say this
“Well, it certainly seems unjust anyway.”
Yes, but that’s not the same as saying I reject the result, I’m just highlighting how unjust their voting system seems, you know, the same system that elected Obama etal
It’s a ridiculous system, for many reasons.
Like I said wally, comprehension and you just don’t mix.Personally, I think it first fails you at the logic level, after that, there’s really no hope fer ya 😉
Perhaps it’s just a result of
an anxietytoo much murdochianismsYes, it was left-wing populism, which at the very same time was a revolt over Left arrogance.
Only in Murdochian la la land …
http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/in-which-pond-spends-some-quality-time_10.html#.WCQen_l_eUk
Funny watching leftie heads exploding at the election of Trump. But it does show how morals change. Fifty years ago a man who had been married 3 times would have never made it into politics because it showed that this person could not keep his word. Trump lied to his first two wives to be faithful.
While I’m at the Pond, Dorothy takes a screengrab that highlights the hypocrisy and entitlement of the lolstrayan
http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/in-which-pond-goes-out-into-real-world.html#.WCQga_l_eUk
“It’s a ridiculous system, for many reasons”
Yeah……………..let me name your first reason and second reasons
1) Your team lost the Presidential Race
2) Your team lost in the Senate
LOL
“Trump lied to his first two wives to be faithful.”
You have a short memory NoS……………..
“Clinton previously had been confronted with allegations of sexual misconduct during his time as Governor of Arkansas, including a civil lawsuit filed against him by former Arkansas state employee Paula Jones, alleging that he had sexually harassed her. Lewinsky’s name surfaced during the discovery phase of Jones’ case, when Jones’ lawyers sought to show a pattern of behavior by Clinton that involved sexual relationships with other government employees.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky
LOL
The heads of the Faifax fashion department have also exploded
http://www.executivestyle.com.au/is-donald-trump-the-worstdressed-president-ever-gsmaox
Walrus
Bill and Hillary are still married.
bleat bleat bleat team-cheerer,
,,,,,,Electoral College map showing the results of the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Donald Trump (R) won the popular vote in 30 states (denoted in red) to capture 306 electoral votes. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D) won the popular vote in 20 states and the District of Columbia (denoted in blue) to capture 232 electoral votes.,,,,,,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
# ,, SCORE the-ronald 306, hilary 232,
# ,, OR 30-states to 20-states
# ,, 48-states are winner-takes-ALL
# ,, bleating coz mike moore is bleating is just crap, obama won under the identical system hilary was thrashed under, suck it up princess
I imagine bill shorten is setting himself up for the next election, getting ready to try and tap into the plenty of voter discontent that we have here, unfortunately labor has been a the forefront of it all, lab lib need to get serious and start thinking of people not the business lobby.
“…Bill and Hillary are still married…”
Oh well then, as long as he stays married, he mustn’t be a shit anymore 😆
“It’s a ridiculous system, for many reasons”
Yeah……………..let me name your first reason and second reasons
1) Your team lost the Presidential Race
2) Your team lost in the Senate
LOL
Your team won I suppose … what fkn teams are you prattling about?
Still making shyte up …
… no-one on this site (to my knowledge) lives in the Useless States of Asininity … and have no vote for the “teams” … although a few should emigrate …
If Trump was a Democrat I’d still call him out on the crap he’s waffled … he’s either lied (deceived) to his supporters and won’t do anything he promised them (be interesting if he tried) … or he’s lied to the rest of the USA (World) – “I’ll be a president for all Americans” – and will attempt to do what he said he would do … lose – lose …
… Trumps own “team” called him out and many refused to support him … says a lot about the man … and about anyone gloating over his “win” …
Its not the left right politics … its the nasty, crass, offensive comments emanating from his foul mouth!
Reagan was a simpleton, Bush was simply dumb, Trump is unpredictable and dangerous!
There’ll be a lot of lights on late in the think tanks this year!
is,,,,unpredictable and dangerous!,,,,
# ,, over-ripe bananas are fleeing to the frighteners very quickly now a-days #chuckle
Is DOnald Trump the worst dressed President ever?
http://www.executivestyle.com.au/is-donald-trump-the-worstdressed-president-ever-gsmaox
I say YES!
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/trumps-farright-supporters-panicking-the-real-don-is-too-soft/news-story/d4181d9d5ddc7db30848ba8a010500a8
TOLP! 😀
1) Your team lost the Presidential Race
2) Your team lost in the Senate
I’ll let you in a secret wally, I don’t have a ‘team’ in ‘merica
All I know is, their electoral system is farked. And the more I learn about it, the more farked it sounds.
Its not the left right politics … its the nasty, crass, offensive comments emanating from his foul mouth!
Well said TB. But, you see, that’s probably the real reason WHY wally likes him.
pyne is such an ignorant twat
(30 Years of Trump opinion. Hasn’t changed much.
Downtrodden Middle America’s rapporteur’s all taxi-drivered up in the deblacked White House, yo. First stop on the Trumponomics tour is 175 ahead–of-the-curve basis points of directing Treasury to declare China’s a currency manipulator)
I will wait and see how Donald Trump performs before making a decision. I did not like his aggression and threats, however I think the most disappointed people will be the voters who have elected him on the grounds that he will bring back jobs and make America great again. I just feel that in 2 or 3 years time they will realise that it is the extreme capitalism system that sent the jobs offshore and Donald is an extreme capitalist. Reading how Walmart operates would show them that these massive companies drive the export of jobs with their own purchasing tactics. In addition the concentration of wealth drives the poor to buy the cheapest not the locally made superior product. I think he is a lot like Tony Abbott was. Tell the voters what they want to hear. Promise the earth. Then when elected do a 180 backflip at the first budget. Lets see how it unfolds.
Lets see how it unfolds.
Yes, there is a possibility he will make America great again. It is slight, but still there. My money, should I be forced to put it anywhere though, would be on him further stoking the wallets of the elites to the detriment of those who elected him.
First Brexit, now the White House: working class and once-were middle class citizens, who’ve seen their horizons shrink as economic globalisation and technology diminish their incomes and prospects, are having their revenge.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-10/us-election-trump-victory-a-class-backlash-against-economic-ine/8011712
The Grapes of Wrath have ever been bitter
Trump has more in common with the left than economic rationalists in terms of economics.
• He’s protectionist,
• An economic interventionist
• Wants to choose winners
• Uses infrastructure spend to stimulate the economy
• Doesn’t see increasing government spend and tax cuts as mutually exclusive
It’s exactly the type of bulls**t economics that many on the left advocate
It’s only on social policy that Trump departs from the left.
So in terms of economics and social policy, Trump is the polar opposite to people like me. But he does share a range of opinions with the left
Obama stoked the race war – guess which side the real haters are on:
‘People Have to Die’: Anti-Trump Protester Calls For Violence on CNN
Black Mob Viciously Beats White Trump Voter – “You voted Trump? You gonna pay for that shit!”
‘Die Whites Die’: Anti-Trump Rioters Vandalize NOLA Monuments
ToM. here is a website that consistently got the Trump phenomenon right. Their take on Trump’s economic policies looks interesting.
Trust you to link to that communist traitor Harry Dexter White, Meta.
“I’ll let you in a secret wally, I don’t have a ‘team’ in ‘merica”
LOL yeah that’d be right
So why the comment about unjust ?
Good to see you and TB ‘s coping mechanism have crashed ROFLMAO
The great unhinging continues
“The great unhinging continues”
DNC Staffer Screams At Donna Brazile For Helping Elect Donald Trump
Jackboot Gillian must be jealous of the Spanish system: Spain: Government Encourages Citizens To Inform On Neighbors, Family Members That Violate LGBT Privileges Law
I’ll let you in a secret wally, I don’t have a ‘team’ in ‘merica
In the past i would have said the Coalition and the Democrats are similar with the Republicans to the right of both and the ALP to the left of the Democrats.
Now everything is confused. Hilary is for open borders and free trade and Trump is for building walls and protectionism. Even in Australia Howard tightened gun laws not the ALP. And it was Hawke/Keating who dropped the tariffs, deregulated the banking industry and sold the Commonwealth Bank.
Thanks SB, I’ll look at that.
But now economic policy is becoming a debate between protectionist vs free trade, with the left inclined to protectionism, along with demagogues like Trump.
Not just the left, ToM. I thank that the Nats are protectionist as was the DLP.
This link has a catalogue of cuntery including this from the ever-prescient Paul McGeough:
Maybe Paul needs to adjust his clichéd bog-left mindset.
BTW, ToSY, thanks for the tip …
http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/punter-wins-100000-on-trump/news-story/d075894c67ef0565ddb465f34bdc092f
😀
…Trump has more in common with the left than economic rationalists in terms of economics.
• He’s protectionist,
• An economic interventionist
• Wants to choose winners
• Uses infrastructure spend to stimulate the economy
• Doesn’t see increasing government spend and tax cuts as mutually exclusive
It’s exactly the type of bulls**t economics that many on the left advocate…
How do you see that?
I would say it is exactly what the far right advocate – try the nationals and one nation. Any wonder pauline was clinking the champagne glass as she sees a possibility of being PM if she can play it like trump, any wonder that bananaby will be hotfooting to the US to beg for the [now defunct] TPP scraps they daydreamed about?
Expect the far right of the libs to be sounding a lot like trump/one nation and causing massive headaches for the libs. Abbott hasn’t given up either.
Yes, the left, the Nats, DLP, Xensphon, Trumpists all aligned on protectionism – strange bedfellows
But the left and Trump are also closely aligned on increasing public debt on the pretext of creating jobs – the left don’t seem to understand that their economic policy is a mirror of Trump’s.
Good to see you and TB ‘s coping mechanism have crashed ROFLMAO
Look in the mirror*, sunshine, and you’ll see who’s unhinged … making shit up again … and again … and again …
*although you do seem to spend a lot of time on the floor …
As I said AO, Trump is like One Nation on social policy, and like the left on economics – protectionist, using debt for economic stimulus, interventionist. It’s much the same as many on the left advocate.
“BTW, ToSY, thanks for the tip …”
It wasn’t a tip. It was obvious to anyone who looked past what the ‘experts’ were saying.
Besides, if I can get odds of $5 about an outcome that should be closer to even-money ($2), I’ll take the bet, every time.
So why the comment about unjust ?
So, you think stopping citizens from voting is just?
Somebody tried the same thing on here a while back up at the Cape, until it was pointed out how …. unjust it was.
But you keep on living in your own little fantasy world of what people say. Like yomms list, which can be as equally attributed to the libs as it can to Labor.
You know, selling the farm and all that 😉
“This is what America has voted for.” Unhinging continues as generation snowflake wets its pants.
Sorry team-cheerer (November 11, 2016 7:27 am) but tinfoil`osy has found the best explainer so far.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/
Over at my (taxpayer-funded) abc they have been nothing but a pro-hilary, anti-ronald, bunch of soft-cocks, cheer-squad with no foresight or understanding what so-ever. They can shove their 20/20 hindsight blather clear up their own arse as far as l`m concerned. Even limited-news did better than them this time.
Now something to knock Trump off the headlines – A href=”http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-11/leonard-cohen-dead-at-82/8017496″>Leonard is dead!
Like yomms list, which can be as equally attributed to the libs as it can to Labor.
Really? I wasn’t commenting on a partisan divide, only observing that many on the left advocate economic policies that are exactly the same as Trump’s
that many on the left advocate economic policies that are exactly the same as Trump’s
On borders it appears that the left want open borders and Conservatives want secure borders.
Really?,,,,I wasnât commenting on a partisan divide,,,,
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# ,, since when
,
(splatters mangled link)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-11/leonard-cohen-dead-at-82/8017496
Trump shares his economic lunacy with the left. But he shares his nonsensical social policies with the right.
He is the polar opposite of rational
GUFFAW!
Everyone here should watch this.
Commentary: The unbearable smugness of the press
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
Great video – ” you can fuck off to your safe space”.
If ever there was an election result that proved that the media have marginal (or no) influence on elections, it must be the election of Trump.
The US media correctly reported that Trump was a complete F***WIT, every mainstream media organisation in the country!
But Trump won anyway.
Another “left” fallacy has been exposed.
Maybe the MSM was so fanatical in their Clinton worship that they were a factor in pushing people to vote Trump. People saw right through them and (were) revolted.
The media are a deeply embedded part of the political elite. When it came out that CNN was feeding debate questions to Hillary ahead of the debates I reckon a lot of people were influenced by that, not to mention that the MSM behaved like a bunch of self-righteous politically correct tossers.
lf that is the best you can come up with after reading tinfoil`osys excellent `intercept` link above, then you`re fcuked, and just lifted kneel off the bottom of the `comment-quality` list. On the upside, as teabag-media has plummeted to the level of mindless-chanting, know-nothing, corporate-fluffer, you can enjoy a `career-change` if you so wish.
I wasn’t commenting on a partisan divide, only observing that many on the left advocate economic policies that are exactly the same as Trump’s
no because
Trump shares his economic lunacy with the left. But he shares his nonsensical social policies with the right.
Except, as I said, much of your list is across both sides, except you said he specifically shared with “the left”
Watching the reaction of some trump ‘barrackers’ here is perhaps a scary insight of what might unfold over the next few years.
Gracious winners they are not. Along with not being very good at understanding plain old Eenglish.
The stupid, it burns
Two white men have lodged a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission claiming they have been racially vilified by an Aboriginal politician who claimed the push to amend the Racial Discrimination Act was being led by “white men”.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/allanclarke/racism-complaint-against-aboriginal-politician?utm_term=.ayzRG4QNA#.lrwnZz61v
Thus spake, The Mad Monk!
Now you know what The Mad Abbott really thinks of the plebiscite HE initiated … an expensive poll with no value whatsoever …
If anyone really believes that Trump will improve the status of the people who elected him at the expense of the leeches, referred as the Elites (a group he aspires to constantly) … is really pissing in the wind …
Trump will either be resign, be impeached, be assassinated, or taken down by the mob who gave him the job …
All those minority groups he both insulted and later charmed will be incensed when the reality hits … its begun already … the neo-nazis, KKK, white supremists are already busy in the USA …
From the news.com.au more MSM behaving like a bunch of self-righteous politically correct tossers. … apparently …
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/messages-of-hate-spreading-across-us-following-trump-victory/news-story/90a4d0274f7130f3352a26a6c4354e32
Not a word from the president elect … and all still breaking the law … politically incorrect tossers, bullies, thugs, cretinous morons all … just a bunch of
dicksdons really …An interesting four years coming up and a few beer halls and burnings being busily planned, methinks … idle hands?
Watching the reaction of some trump ‘barrackers’ here is perhaps a scary insight of what might unfold over the next few years.
My thoughts too … but not surprised …
Gracious winners they are not. Along with not being very good at understanding plain old Eenglish.
Yep, we saw the same fearful mindset when TurnAbbott in July … the LibNits won … but carried on like a pan of pork chops on heat … I know it was only one seat … but winners on the right are not grinners but whingers …
If the Republicans hold a majority in the House, Congress and Senate isn’t that tantamount to a dictatorship as the USA political system is constructed? (ie no GG fall back as in Oz)
Interesting thought … 😮
Wow!! l can`t believe the amount of teabag-panic our pinkists in canoeland and bananaland have running down their legs. He aint in until January. l think l will wait until the-ronald `actually` does something squirtworthy before l join(if) in.
Like yomms list, which can be as equally attributed to the libs as it can to Labor.
Really???
I thought one of your main objections to the liberal party’s economic policy is that they don’t deliberately use increasing public debt as an economic stimulus. They don’t spend on infrastructure as a form of job creation.
isn’t that tantamount to a dictatorship as the USA political system is constructed?
How is it a dictatorship if the outcome reflects the result of a democratic election?
They don’t spend on infrastructure as a form of job creation.
And they should … historically tried and true … from the early Guvners’ General … one of the big issues during the mining boom was a lack of port facilities … and still is … this country exports raw materials FFS!
Gold, merino wool, coal, iron ore, LNG, soldiers*, and imports goods and wounded soldiers* …
We need more rail, commercial standard roads, and port facilities (preferably owned by the people of Australia) … with interest rates so low, now is the time to create more jobs … not send people to France to see how they can “save” money at $250,000 a pop!
Waste is in the government sphere!
The Multiplier Effect is a simple concept that the “business manager” now pretending to “run” the place doesn’t seem to understand … building football stadiums is not building infrastructure for productive enterprises … as in our next area of boom … agriculture!
We should be looking at ways to utilise the Centre to grow tucker for Asia … and ourselves … plants and animals … not wringing our hands over a fkn plebiscite that no-one wants …
How is it a dictatorship if the outcome reflects the result of a democratic election?
If one party “owns” the lot (House, Congress, Senate) there is no checks and balances within government – eg open slather can’t be stopped – tricky question, hey?
Especially if only 25% of the population voted for the President … (see above)
Now that’s not the “voice of the People” … that’s the “whim of the rabble” …
God Save America!
Trump was elected, as were the Republicans. Get over it cry babies.
Really TB, are you serious. The Republicans are so united across the 3 tiers of government that it’s a dictatorship???
Most political systems don’t have compulsory voting, and that doesn’t make them any less democratic.
(by the way “congress” is the HoR and the Senate)
And they should … historically tried and true …
That’s just an opinion, but the point is that the “right” prefer not to increase debt to fund infrastructure, the left thinks this is good policy.
On this point (and others) the left is with Trump.
Really TB, are you serious. The Republicans are so united across the 3 tiers of government that it’s a dictatorship???
Now that’s an opinion!
United? FMD I’d like to see them in disarray! Many Republicans disowned Trump! And still do …
Most political systems don’t have compulsory voting, and that doesn’t make them any less democratic.
I know …
… I’m talking about the ease of passage through Congress from the WHouse if all are held by the Repubs (or the Dems for that matter)
I dislike extremes in any political system … particularly one that seems to impact on me and mine halfway across the world … when I have no input!
And Congress has no BRAKES!
Imagine a Labor landslide in the HoR and the Senate here … I’d be very concerned about that too …
Firm believer in “balance” as,sb, has pointed out more than once … I’ve experienced extremes more than once in this country … inequality has always been an issue for me …
(by the way “congress” is the HoR and the Senate)
True – I stand corrected …
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… historically tried and true …
That’s just an opinion
It’s a fact … for a modern approach try the Snowy River Scheme … for a historical approach try Guvner Bligh … there are many others …
… – always remember the Six Ps … not much doing in development of 21st agribusiness in Oz …
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Trump was elected, as were the Republicans.
Get over it cry babies.Trump IS a Repub … you don’t seem to understand the implications as I discuss above with ToM …
DON!
“you don’t seem to understand the implications”
TRUMPWETTER!
open,,,,slather can`t be stopped,,,,
# ,, crap, look at all the `lock-step` troughsnouting both teams in canberra engage in
,,,,tricky question, hey?,,,,
# ,, only to those belonging to a cheer-squad or refuse to rethink their `own` position and re-assess the situation eg. peter-costello
# ,, so teebz, what do you think of costello?????
heads-up armchair, as we semi-regularly discuss the uselessness of teabag-media, yesterday l noticed an advert on one of the commercial networks running a `panic`story on penicillin shortage and the dangers of various `super-bugs`. We were probably discussing it here 18-or 24-months ago. l`m glad they`re trying to catch up. (-:
TRUMPWETTER!
Transactional Analysis would be a good read for you, ToSY …
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,,,,tricky question, hey?,,,,
# ,, only to those belonging to a cheer-squad or refuse to rethink their `own` position and re-assess the situation eg. peter-costello
What does that actually mean? You have rethunk your own position? … ’cause you have never had one … do you … waft in the breeze is what most people here would say (I think) … ’tis easy to criticise …
# ,, so teebz, what do you think of costello?????
In what context? As a person, as a family man, as a politician, as a minister, as a treasurer, as a wanna be PM … why do I have to do all your work for you? I can’t read minds …
tbagz … get something straight … you are not a journalist … never will be … so stop trying and give an opinion for once …
… even ToSY attempts that these days …
“Transactional Analysis would be a good read for you, ToSY …”
If you say so.
FROG!
not,,,,a journalist ,, never will be,,,, #correct, l won`t be getting that particular industries lobotomy anytime soon
stop,,,,trying and give an opinion,,,, #that`s hypocritical, l seem to recall a certain banana being pissed off when a teabag told him to `shut-up`, l think the banana replied along the lines of `on a blog, thatz what theyre for!`
as,,,,a wanna be PM,,,, custard??? #like you teebz, l thought costello was spineless for not having a challenge, but l have rethunk it, l now think costello was well aware of just how bad the zombie-herd was, so he was levering john-w to `anoint` him as zombie-leader and get the zombies in line.
Leonard Cohen.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/one-man-warned-us-all-along-that-donald-trump-would-become-president/news-story/e2fcea114b11d5d19615f5aa7b08a0cc
I thought one of your main objections to the liberal party’s economic policy is that they don’t deliberately use increasing public debt as an economic stimulus. They don’t spend on infrastructure as a form of job creation.
Yes, I know, this is what they claim, and what they argue loudly against, but, reflect on the direction the public debt is traveling yomm, and then see where this debt is going. There is a lot of money being ploughed into ‘infrastructure’. Well, privatisation of infrastructure, but it is still public money being put in, the NBN being the most obvious.
That’s just an opinion, but the point is that the “right” prefer not to increase debt to fund infrastructure, the left thinks this is good policy.
No it isn’t, it is a historical fact.
The main prop for the economy in the first quarter was the government’s national school’s spending program, which added 0.9 percentage points to GDP. Consumer demand held up, despite the impact of aggressive interest rate hikes by the Reserve Bank of Australia.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/markets/mining-sector-investment-to-speed-up-recovery-from-slowdown/story-e6frg926-1225874550046
And I know you’ll love this one 😉
Alan Austin concludes his three part analysis of Labor’s GFC legacy eight years on, with history’s verdict.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/labors-gfc-legacy-the-verdict-of-history-part-3-and-conclusion,9705
The difference is, Labors spending is targeted, and well advertised, the libs spending is targeted to spivs and shonks, while pretending not to happen, which makes it far less effective.
Spending has not been curtailed. At 25.9 per cent of GDP, it is higher than any of Wayne Swan’s budgets, bar one.
Just a year ago, the Treasurer railed against the waste and profligacy of his predecessors and the desperate need to rein in spending.
There was little of that tonight. He instead has opted for a high-risk stimulus strategy that looks more like the budget delivered by Swan when the world was gripped by the worst financial crisis in history.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-12/verrender-budget-2015-this-looks-a-lot-like-swan-style-stimulus/6464574
I’m guessing any of trumps spending will be targeted towards the same spivs and shonks our libs favour. Time will tell
Michael Moore wasn’t the only one to see it coming.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-will-win-in-a-landslide-the-mind-behind-dilbert-explains-why/
I hope he continues to be correct
Did the United States Just Elect a Monster?
No. Clinton’s team of cognitive scientists and professional persuaders did a terrific job of framing Trump as scary. The illusion will wear off – albeit slowly – as you observe Trump going about the job of President and taking it seriously. You can expect him to adjust his tone and language going forward. You can expect foreign leaders to say they can work with him. You can expect him to focus on unifying an exhausted and nervous country. And you can expect him to succeed in doing so. (He’s persuasive.) Watch as Trump turns to healing. You’re going to be surprised how well he does it. But give it time.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152955248046/i-answer-your-questions-about-predicting-president
Dorothy isn’t so convinced
Take a chill pill? Have a breather? With Sarah Palin given a portfolio, along with a cabinet of deplorables? Fuck that for a meaningless bit of gratuitously stupid advice ..
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Give Trump a chance? That has as much chance as giving peace a chance, or giving a snowflake in hell a chance, or angry macho men pissing into the wind with the expectation and hope there won’t be any splashback …
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You see, for all the delusionals and optimists out there, if Trump doesn’t go ahead and deliver his promises – completely impossible to fulfil as they are – his base will be mightily displeased.
If he tries to wriggle out of them, he’ll be just another politician. Scales will fall from eyes, the delusionals and the deplorables will wake up, and there will be much anger in the land.
But any time he attempts to enact some of the more important bits of his monumentally silly ideas, the more he will antagonise those who maintain some semblance of rationality. There will be much anger in the land …
http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/in-which-pond-reads-bromancer-and.html#.WCYbZuZ_eUk
I’m guessing the truth of it all lies somewhere between the two extremes. Lying awake at night sweating over a person who couldn’t be trusted with a Twitter account now holding the codes to a nuclear arsenal just isn’t good for the complexion.
“just isn’t good for the complexion.”
🙂
Yeah, it’s all good, nothing to be concerned about…
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/ku-klux-klan-to-hold-victory-parade-for-donald-trump-after-election-win/news-story/e64668e5aed796f83ae29f90cd8e7ec7
This will make it all better … whew!
Alan Austin concludes his three part analysis of Labor’s GFC legacy eight years on, with history’s verdict.
You could argue about that forever. But we hit the GFC with unemployment at 4%, govt debt was zero and our economy was zero. And the GFC was a northern hemisphere thing. Nobody is going to refer to it as GFC-A. ie GFC minus Australia
KKK 2016 = Brownshirts 1921?
Why Trump is not as popular as many think … its the system, stoopid!
Clinton … scored just 228 electoral college votes compared to 290 for Donald Trump, despite winning more of the popular vote, with 60,274,974 votes compared to Trump’s 59,937,338.
The last graphic is interesting …
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/startling-maps-show-alternative-vision-of-breakdown-of-us-voters/news-story/b1935cd6537d72af6131d68a89006807
It’s hardly unusual for a politician to win the popular vote and not win enough seats, or electoral college votes, to form the government.
It isn’t just the US system that produces that outcome, and only proportional representation reflects the specific voting intentions, are you advocating that TB?
ToM
I advocate proportional representation as it is the true democratic result of an election. Everything else is gerrymandered in some way.
ToM, how did the “foundation” (original) democratic system(s) operate?
How does democracy generally work in any group? Does a particular faction get extra votes?
Does it work for a presidential election?
The fact is that more votes were actually cast for Clinton across the country … the collegiate system is a virtual poll … not terribly accurate …
I have to confess that I’m not a Clinton “fan” as it seems some here think … I just particularly dislike Trump and what he stands for …
In our own system I have always been in two minds with regard first past the post, and preferential …
The real problem is the majority of voters are not very well informed … or at least easily influenced by short term promises and hang the long term consequences …
I guess too that my comments are based on life experiences of seeing effective governments and ineffective governments … one of them being the Qld JBP gerrymandered state …
one of them being the Qld JBP gerrymandered state …
Well the gerrymander was put in place by the Labor govt. Joh got the benefit. But the gerrymander never stopped Labor being elected as far as i know. The Coalition always got more votes. But i could be wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_Assembly_of_Queensland#Queensland.27s_.22gerrymander.22_1948.E2.80.931989
The Queensland “gerrymander”, first introduced by the Australian Labor Party (ALP) government of Ned Hanlon in 1949 used a series of electoral zones based on their distance from Brisbane.
Hey team-cheerer,
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152955248046/i-answer-your-questions-about-predicting-president
# ,, this ones a cracker, a good explainer of the `how` (-:
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teebz,,,,scored just 228 electoral college votes compared to 290 for Donald,,,,
# ,, these numbers are wrong teebz, total college-votes should be 538, l posted correct numbers above
# ,, folks are being `played` with the nonsensical `popular-vote/hilary-really-won` crap, in the same way blib `really-won`, just not in the 77-seats talkbull retained
# ,, l have seen the `red` state graphics(maps) on TV, right across the rust-belt and down thru the guts of teh-usa, the states were fully `red` with blue-dots(hilary) on them. The blue dots were the big-town and big-city, inner-suburb, college educated, well-paid hilary voters ie.latte.belt
Since we are talking about unfair results this has to be one of the worst
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_state_election,_2014#Lower_house
In SA Labor won with 47% of the 2PP. The Coalition lost with 53%
In SA Labor won with 47% of the 2PP. The Coalition lost with 53%
Hence my comment about pyne whyning 😉
DA!
via-teebz,,,,not simply a hypocrite, he`s a straight faced liar, unpredictable, self centred and selfish and soon the person with THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE POWER in the world,,,,
# ,, reagan, george-w, slick-willy, obama(at-times), hilary(if-won)
# ,, don`t these frighteners apply to all prez`s tho, even on a `from-time` `to-time` basis????
,,,,not simply a hypocrite, he`s a straight faced liar, unpredictable, self centred and selfish,,,,
# ,, john-w, blair, rabbit, jooliar, blib, talkbull
# ,, seem like stock-standard frighteners that apply to all so-called democratic politicians to me
oh ohz
Oh team-cheerer, that is just a `but.but.but.` by the proven know nothing washpo, reinforcing their know nothing status. When the basket of deplorables(rust-belters) gave the `system` the finger via 30-year-hilary as part of said system, they only did what rust-belters in the-uk did with brexit. lt will be fun to see what rust-belters in geelong, broad meadow, olden ill and lizabeth do next time round.
# ,, these numbers are wrong teebz, total college-votes should be 538, l posted correct numbers above
Correct, tbagz, those numbers I quoted came from the news.com article I linked …
Here’s an interesting technicality tho’ …
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/11/13588048/electoral-college-petition-clinton-trump
…It isn’t just the US system that produces that outcome, and only proportional representation reflects the specific voting intentions, are you advocating that TB?…
I am, I think proportional representation reflects the people best. Why have preferential voting which serves to favour the two major parties? They have shown that they have completely abused the notion of a democracy and ‘by the people, for the people’ it’s nothing but corruption and snouts in troughs to entrench and enrich themselves and their affiliated interests and backers at our expense.
Time to get out the bleach and clean up the whole stinking lot of them.
on,,,,left-leaning social media circles is that electors from states Trump won should be urged to support Clinton instead. A Change.org petition to this effect has more than 500,000 signatures. Weirdly enough, this actually seems to be technically possible,,,,
# ,, correct but won`t happen, as an example texas has 38-electors with 38-college votes, the electors have taken an oath to the state to cast college votes as public voted, texas will jail the electors for `disloyalty` if they don`t. See my wiki link above for better explainer.
Legal position,,,,Twenty-one states do not have laws compelling their electors to vote for a pledged candidate.[2] Twenty-nine states plus the District of Columbia have laws to penalize faithless electors, although these have never been enforced.[1] In lieu of penalizing a faithless elector, some states, like Michigan and Minnesota, specify the faithless elector`s vote is void,,,,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
# ,, sorry teebz, this link, `disloyalty`, lucky l checked me browser history (-:
# ,, sorry teebz, this link, `disloyalty`, lucky l checked me browser history (-:
‘Tis rather complex actually … no such thing as democracy, market capitalism, socialism, communism, command system … all are bastardised and prostituted by – guess who … the Elites … Elysium is looking more and more like future reality …
A system of fairness is needed … not all people are born equal … Equalism … a basic living income (for all adults) … and anything over that you earn to enhance your lifestyle (and pay an income tax on) …
The Greedies* won’t like that idea … everyone should be upwardly mobile – a myth … only 30% of working people are upwardly mobile … the remaining 70% are happy to do a satisfying, productive, days work for a reasonable income …
Shimples … !
Read Elites, 1%ers and let’s not forget The Robber Barons!
When they have raped, pillaged and burned the peasants out of existence … they will then turn on each other until they disappear right up their own arses … greed is, after all, a load of shit!
ToSY, thanks for proving my point … smug, play on words, is exactly the way that Robber Barons work … and their acolytes …
You should know by now that I have said almost exactly what Friedman said! Greed existsin all societies!
The big difference I have is that I acknowledge it but I don’t accept it!
Friedman, smirk, thinks its fine, as do his acolytes.
I follow none of the “heroes” of capitalism nor any other “accepted” economic system … as Friedman pointed out – all are UNFAIR!
All political systems “leaders” manipulate the economic system to the advantage of the Robber Barons … it has always been so as Friedman cynically points out … it has to change!
The poorer pay more tax, the poorer struggle harder, the savers pay for “downturns”, the poorer fight the fkn wars …
I’m no longer poorer … but I know what its like to be there!
“You should know by now that I have said almost exactly what Friedman said! Greed existsin all societies!”
So what’s your alternative to the only system that has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty? Or will you just continue to whinge about Robo Barinz and Uber Kapitalism?
MILT!
“You should know by now that I have said almost exactly what Friedman said!”
That is utter CARP!
Hearing this, I’m even happier about President Trump..
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/australian-surfers-face-12metre-swell-in-big-wave-tour-event-at-jaws-20161111-gsnrb8.html
That looks like it might be fun.
That is utter CARP!
You’d, KOWTOW!
Tony.
My alternative would be a system exactly the same as Norway. You know, that country without debt that has a capitalist system with social outcomes. For example if you are caught speeding you pay a percentage of your income as a penalty not the same amount for everyone. In this way all citizens are affected equally. Unlike here where the rich don’t give a damn as a $300 fee is nothing to them. There are a myriad of ways to make the country fair. It is just that the mega rich want more not less. They have a disease an addiction that blinds them to the plight of the rest of their fellow citizens. If not then why do they have more than they or their children can ever spend, yet do not employ more people with the massive excess simply to make the world a better place. One of the biggest changes to Australian employees was when annual wage rises for all changed from a $ amount to a % amount. This has simply increased the divide so dramatically between the top and the bottom.
My alternative would be a system exactly the same as Norway.
sshhh, we don’t mention The Norway around here shaneinTBland 😉
http://assets.amuniversal.com/7fef9290e81a012feea0001dd8b71c47
I think the US system of primaries is far more participative than our system.
And given Australia’s small political gene pool I’ve thought it is suitable for us.
But it does give people like Trump a platform
“My alternative would be a system exactly the same as Norway.”
Yes, I’m all for lower speeding fines! I suppose the King has to do something with all that oil money. And I’m sure we can all agree Christianity should be a compulsory school subject..
NORGE!
(By the way, it is most amusing to see resident anti-monarchists pointing out what a positive thing it is to have the checks and balances of a Governer General.)
*Governor
Christianity should be a compulsory school subject..
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(By the way, it is most amusing to see resident anti-monarchists pointing out what a positive thing it is to have the checks and balances of a Governer General.)
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DILBERT!
Patterns
CPI▼ Wages▼ Jobs (real jobs)▼ Available Work▼ Revenue (Taxes)▼ Welfare►
Prices▲ Profits▲ House Prices▲ CEO/Politician Income/Conditions▲ Government Waste▲ Welfare for the Rich▲
Tony. I am not an anti monarchist. The more checks and balances and negotiation the better IMO. That’s why I support Independents over the Duopoly. What are you on about in relation to Christianity being a compulsory subject at school. In Norway students are introduced to all religions, their purpose and their history from the age of 8. Not for conversion but rather for education as a whole. Far more different than our government sponsored Christian prophets placed inside our state schools costing hundreds of millions of dollars.
Hear! Hear!
I’d prefer high school rather than primary school – for ALL children.
Religion IS a lifestyle choice … and should really be reserved for adults … HS would be a compromise …
In Norway students are introduced to all religions, their purpose and their history from the age of 8. Not for conversion but rather for education as a whole.
That was my understanding too shaneinqld, which is why I wondered about tosy’s comment.
The monarchist one confused me as much, but I thought one question mark a day was enough (thanks for asking it for me TB 😉 )
2 noteworthy lessons from the US election-
1. Trump won despite the media being almost universally against him. Every news source ran anti Trump front page articles every day.
That should put paid to the view that the media has a pervasive influence on political sentiment
2. Trump’s economic agenda is protectionist, choosing winners, interventionist and uses government stimulus to kick start the economy – straight out of the left economic playbook.
… straight out of the left economic playbook.
Interesting … could you send me a copy, please, I can’t seem to find it.
Why do I get the impression that the very right wing Donald Trump is being massaged into someone from the left?
A bit like the “Hitler was Communist” meme …
As if arseholes don’t exist on the right … and if they do their shit don’t stink?
2. Trump’s economic agenda is protectionist, choosing winners, interventionist and uses government stimulus to kick start the economy – straight out of the left economic playbook.
Trump’s populist agenda has been anti neoliberalism and anti globalisation, same as hanson, is she seen as from ‘teh left’? Trump’s whole existence and fortune has been based on the opposite of those, let’s see how he puts his economic promises into practice when his personal team and party is full of corporate lobbyists and hardline neoliberals & libertarians. Let’s see if his own party will accept his policies. Let’s see how long he lasts as leader if the corporations don’t like his policies
Will he be impeached?
Looks like some in nsw have shifted against the baird govt, I’ve never thought of the shooters & fishers as ‘the left’ either.
You could insert Labor where the below links have ‘Democrats’ and it would be equally valid.
It was the Democrats’ embrace of neoliberalism that won it for Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/rise-of-the-davos-class-sealed-americas-fate
Democrats once represented the working class. Not any more
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/democrats-working-class-americans-us-election
Did you happen to catch the catalyst episode on Tick induced Meat Allergy?
Be very careful how you remove ticks “freeze it, don’t squeeze it”
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/4570488.htm
Elders talk about Trump in a tram
http://the-pen.co/elders-talk-trump-tram/
…The lady, with an obvious accent, was talking about the recent election of Trump in the USA and she was scared about it.
“It reminds me when we were young in Germany”, she said. “It is very much like that. Mind you, Hitler had some good ideas…
…The lady looked, muttered a few choice words in German softly, and in English said, “I am worried it may all happen again because people have forgotten.”
1,,,,won despite the media being almost universally against him,,,,#tick
That,,,,should put paid to the view that the media has a pervasive influence,,,,
# ,, crap. lt only `puts-paid` to teabag-medias claims as `gatekeeper` and other such nonsense they cling on to, for their own claims of adding `context` and being an `informed` or `reliable` source of information, instead of the bunch of know nothings they `actually` are when it comes to `complex` information of all types.
2,,,,Trump`s economic agenda is protectionist,,,,blah-blah-blah
# ,, until sometime after january, is really just the blather of know nothing teabag-media that has been `wrong` 17-times straight and won`t want to inconsistent, the wisdom-free recital brigade will go along with them.
“I thought one question mark a day was enough”
Yes, yes. It’s all so very confusing.
the very right wing Donald Trump…
On the right only in terms of his social policy, he is advocating economic policies that are similar to those of Bernie Sanders
“The appellants have emphasised that the Act requires the teaching to give pupils a
thorough knowledge of the Bible and of Christianity in the form of cultural heritage
and the Evangelical Lutheran Faith, while it merely requires knowledge of other
world religions, beliefs and ethical and philosophical topics.”
(International Criminal Court, CASE OF FOLGERØ AND OTHERS v. NORWAY, PDF 604 K)
*Actually EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS
(I found the judgement file via the ICC website)
The comedy continues at my abc, whether it is newby and her taxpayer funded tick-bites, or their tales from teh-usa, as lisa-millar returns to washington from london.
Crooked hilary is now claiming it is the fbi`s fault she lost the `her-turn` election. #if.i.win and over stimulated frightbats are doing a lot of flapping in some of the cities `latta-belt` #if.i.win (-:
The comedy continues right (‘scuse the pun) here tbagz!
Jesus wept!
In 1985 Bertram Gross had a vision of life today
Friendly Fascism::
https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Friendly_Fascism.html?id=DtWlPwAACAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en
Soros-funded astroturfers demonstrating against democracy. That’s how the left rolls these days!
Thanks, KL.
What’s really odd is how many people either don’t see it or warmly embrace it … until they are living it and its way too late …
And so predictable … ’cause history repeats … mainly thanks to The Robber Barons – and of course, their Wannabes …
“The author shows how the chronic problems faced by the U.S. in the late twentieth century require increasing collusion between Big Business and Big Government in order to “manage” society in the interests of the rich and powerful.”
Thank heavens the people voted down Klintoon who is all of that.
I found the judgement file via the ICC website
Thanks tosy, So that confirms that Norway doesn’t have a compulsory Christian subject, it has a compulsory religious subject.
You had me worried there for a minute 😉
Mind you, it is the economic side of Norway’s equation that is often overlooked here, you know, things like their own resource tax, which seems unpalatable to some here for some reason
You sound surprised, sb … The Mad Abbott does speaking engagements while we are still paying him … and overseas …
And who pays for the speshul royals to wander around the Australia (the World) on constant holidays? Taxpayers … sponsoring the richest of the rich, because of a lucky birthing … a fkn fairytale alright … for the royals …
The whole political “class” shit is killing democracy … left, right and fkn centre!
Hijacked doesn’t even come close …
A multi billionaire wants to be president of the USA to help the poor folk … FFS!
Does any politician want to help anyone but themselves and their Robber Baron mates … and if they do step out of the mould like Bobby and Jack Kennedy – we know what happens …
And when it all comes to a bloody, sticky, messy end … whose children and grandchildren are given a weapon to fight their fkn wars? Not the Elites that’s for sure …
Round and round the bullshit goes where it all ends everyone knows!
“… and if they do step out of the mould like Bobby and Jack Kennedy – we know what happens …And when it all comes to a bloody, sticky, messy end … whose children and grandchildren are given a weapon to fight their fkn wars?……”
Are you talking about Vietnam and someone like this…………………
“………. whose children and grandchildren are given a weapon to fight their fkn wars?”
Indeed !
“……………pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and success of liberty.”
-Kennedy Inauguration
“Now we have a problem making our power credible and Vietnam looks like the place.”
-Kennedy speaking to James Reston of the New York Times
George Will: “Sixty-nine out of 99 State Legislative Chambers are now controlled by the Republicans. There are 34 Republican Governors. Twenty-four States have Republican Governors and the entire control of the Legislature. Only six States have Democratic Governors and Democratic Legislatures.That means if you’re looking for a deeper bench for Presidential Candidates for the Democratic Party you have to start with 16 Governors, is all they’ve got. Furthermore, one third of the House Caucus of the Democratic Party are from three States: Massachusetts, New York and California. They’re in danger of becoming what the Republicans were thought to be in danger of becoming: a regional party.”
ROLF!
Are you talking about Vietnam and someone like this…………………
I’m talking about all the fkn wars! Its always the 50%ers that pay … even the GFC saw the perpetrators get away scot free … the savers paid the price … again …
George doesn’t stop there. Rant continues:”People felt condescended to, and there’s something about Progressivism that just is condescension: ‘We know what your Health care ought to be. Be quiet and take your medicine. We know how much water should come through your showerhead. We know what kind of toilets you ought to have. We’re going to change your light bulbs. Be quiet and take our direction.’ And people are tired of it.
GOLF!
Rant continues
Yes, it does 😉
ROLF!
Beware the landslide … democracy works best with a balance of power … not totalitarian power … or why bother with an adversarial Westminster style at all?
Maybe the predictions will eventuate …?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/heres-what-baba-vanga-predicted-for-2016-and-the-192833607.html?ref=gs
And is the last Pope already here?
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/pope-francis-pontiff-nostradamus-stmalachy/2013/03/14/id/494661/
Yes, it does
Is copying and pasting other people’s rants (with the occasional cryptic comment) … actually a rant?
The-ronald, reportland, mediawatch, qandaland, latelineland. lt`s magic monday teabags, don`t forget to tune-in to my abc tonight for the freshest of `frighteners` and meet the loudest of `pants-cackers`, all while trying to hide how wrong their hilary-cheering was. This is a once in a lifetime spectacular on my abc, guaranteed. (-: #YouKnowIwill
actually a rant?
The way some are wetting themselves, perhaps it’s more of a ‘pant’ 😉
I see that Obama has offered to stay on a bit longer than usual to help trump do the basics
ROFL …
After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/leading-contender-for-donald-trump-s-chief-of-staff-is-rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-1479069597
I get the feeling ‘mericas in fer an extremely long 4 years
…… COPTER
Certain people here will love this. Others? Not so much.
GULF!
There’s something wrong with the HRC when people can lodge a complaint because they want to have a talk to a cartoonist.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-14/racial-discrimination-complaint-against-bill-leak-dropped/8022394
…and the first improvement is to prevent monetary settlements during conciliation. Conciliation has to be about corrective statements and actions, not about an opportunistic money grab.
“there’s something about Progressivism that just is condescension”
This is because Progressivism is entirely driven by the need of the upper middle class intellectual ‘elite’ to feel good about themselves. It is all about seeming, not doing, about virtue signalling and moral vanity.
“Cartoons like this make me feel like it doesn’t matter what I do or how hard I try, it’s never going to be good enough and people will always be able to reduce me and my people and my family to such horrible degrading cartoons.”
ROFLMAO……………………………..She needs a spray on tan before I’ll believe any of her crap about her “aboriginality”…………….what a fucking joke.
We,,,,know what kind of toilets you ought to have. We`re going to change your light bulbs.,,,
# ,, Nah tinfoil`osy, most of that quote (at-least-half) is crap. What pisses-off poverty battling rust-belters is they struggle to afford the damn expensive energy efficient light bulbs is the first place so they can reduce their electric bill, only to then lose any benefit what-so ever by being gouged harder by the privatized electric company.
# ,, lt basically doesn`t matter to rust-belters that, 1.team-A gouges the shit out of them by privatization-fever, OR, 2.team-B gouges the shit out of them with a carbon-not-a-tax-price.
‘She needs a spray on tan before I’ll believe any of her crap about her “aboriginality”…………….what a fucking joke.’
I feel triggered by that! I’m going to the safe space where I can ease my anxiety with colouring books and play dough.
So, the HRC is a failure because it allowed someone to get done by 18c
the HRC is a failure because it allowed someone to not get done by 18c
the HRC is a failure because it allowed someone to not even get looked at by 18c
Have I got this right yet?
History Teacher Removed From Classroom For Comparing Trump To Hitler.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-to-hitler-comparison-teacher-suspended_us_58286a2be4b060adb56edd4e
“I feel triggered by that! I’m going to the safe space where I can ease my anxiety with colouring books and play dough.”
LOL
History Teacher Removed From Classroom For Comparing Trump To Hitler.
Was it because that is slandering trump, or hitler?
I’m going to the safe space
While 18c survives, there is no such place (or so we are led to believe)
the,,,,safe space where I can ease my anxiety with colouring books and play dough,,,,
# ,, that`s where most of hilary`s latte-belt are, you won`t get any peace`n quite as they`re all whining but,but,but, it was `her-turn`, the fbi are to blame, all the chicks chose hilary, she couldn`t lose after winning the debates, all the polls said she would win, mike-moore promised us, bob-deniro fought for us, preserve the swamp!! (-:
I’ve always liked Jerry Brown, Californian Governor, dated Linda Rondstadt, progressive of the 1970’s. The era of my youth
He’s again governor of California after a 35 year break. It’s great to see mature people saddle up again.
liked,,,,Jerry Brown,,,, #chuckle
again,,,,governor of California after a 35 year,,,, #still.not.learning #preserve.the.swamp (-:
The irrefutable thing the-ronald victory has exposed is just how very, very teabag-lite most of the pinkists really are. Oh they `talk` a good game about how desperately the system needs changing and how much the type of candidates needs changing. But now that there is somebody totally new, the thrashed hilary pinkists have joined the 16-thrashed groups of repug-teabags, and teabag-media to scream `save-the-swamp` too. (-: (-: (-: (-:
Tonight on my abc, #4corners is showing we don`t need to worry about our off-shore privately-run-for-profit gulags. Rest assured everybody, we also have on-shore privately-run-for-profit gulags for kids too.
I believe it is pretty hard to know what the reality of the election of Donald Trump is, as a result of the following. For me the following indicates not so much a democracy but rather a system designed to manipulate the vote of the people. Both Republican or Democrat alike.
1) The election is held on a working day. Now benefitting the elite instead of the farmers it was designed to help in 1845.
2) The majority of workers have more than one job only working a few hours at each one and probably lack the time to vote.
3) The queues were horrendous at many booths with voters having to wait hours, so if they had jobs they would have no time.
4) Many booths that were open in 2012 were actually closed in 2016.
5) The states have individual rules, regulations and voting systems.
6) 46.6% of Americans did not vote.
7) If any of the reasons listed have caused the massive number of non voters, then their system is rigged and not true democracy at all.
It points out to me how wonderful our system is.
1) Our election is held on a Saturday pretty much benefitting no one.
2) The majority of our workers still have 1 job, but that is dramatically changing at an astounding rate.
3) I have never waited more than 20 mins to vote and I have voted in many different locations having moved constantly with my previous employer.
4) Booths are open in an amazing number of places, to even the smallest hamlet with only a few farmers.
5) The rules and regulations and voting papers are exactly the same from the top to the bottom of the country.
6) We have compulsory voting which ensures most of us at least take a small interest in our politics. Those who do not wish to vote can simply turn up and collect their ballot paper and shove it in the box unmarked.
7) All of these reasons prove to me that we have a much more democratic system than the supposed most democratic nation on earth.
“2) The majority of workers have more than one job only working a few hours at each one and probably lack the time to vote”
If by majority you mean one in 20. (It just didn’t sound right, Shane, so I used this new thing called The Google.You should try it.)
“The vast majority of working Americans spend their time at one job, but that isn’t the case for everyone. In 2012, roughly 5% of the U.S. working population held more than one job at the same time.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/01/21/states-people-working-two-jobs/4719485/
“US Confusion Centre”. 😆
MARK!
“Lawyers want PMs from John Howard to Malcolm Turnbull in dock over asylum detention”
Oh noes – not lawyers! Who would ever have guessed that Julian Turdside is a dumb leftist cnut?
“Can we please stop having panels of just white people “debating” what is and what is not racist? Thank you. “
Fuck off, Seth. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, even racist purveyors of identity politics like your dumb self!
“How fucking stupid “
That is a bit rich coming from a sad old anti-Semite such as you, Mike. Like the Chasers, you used to be funny once but now you are all bitter old men, clueless and deeply unfunny.
Mind your noodle – questions of infidelity precipitate noodle tossing:
Fuck off, Seth. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, even racist purveyors of identity politics like your dumb self!
But people like seth, brown skinned people, people directly affected by racism, aren’t being invited to come on qanda and debate racism are they?. It is white people who are, especially middle aged white men.
That is a bit rich coming from a sad old anti-Semite such as you, Mike. Like the Chasers, you used to be funny once but now you are all bitter old men, clueless and deeply unfunny.
He wasn’t trying to be funny. As always you rush to attack the person and completely ignore the message.
Feel better, now you’ve got that shit off your liver?
…I believe it is pretty hard to know what the reality of the election of Donald Trump is, as a result of the following. For me the following indicates not so much a democracy but rather a system designed to manipulate the vote of the people. Both Republican or Democrat alike…
You’re absolutely right shane, it’s a wonder anyone manages to vote in the US when it is so obviously arranged to exclude as many people as possible, I notice that it appears to affect workers more than anyone else, I wonder if employers give time off for their workers to perform their civil duty.
That’s why we need a federal ICAC.
Ok Tony lets change that one to over 8,000,000 Americans work more than 1 job.
“Feel better, now you’ve got that shit off your liver?”
Nah, I try to talk sense to those leftist morons but they rarely listen. At least I have something to smile about – the tears of clowns:
Doesn’t bother me sb, I want a shake up in politics, shame it’s not happening here. One day australians will stop being sheeple, being told what to think and do and then open their eyes to what is really going on.
How long before trump gets impeached?
Maybe that’s worth a bet!
“I want a shake up in politics, shame it’s not happening here.”
Well, a shake up is what you got with Trump. And it could well happen here. Turnbull, the smug elitist that he is, is looking vulnerable. Especially after the fall of Troy.
Don’t despair, if Trump can do it, Cory can!
““”Don’t despair, if Trump can do it, Cory can!””
Nah, he;s too much of a religious nutter for Australia’s considerably more secular society.
Pauline on the other hand, that might be a different story.
Heck, Michaelia White Trash thinks the sun shines out of her @rse.
But, but, Hillary won the popular vote.
https://mobile.twitter.com/20committee/status/796193578431184897
shane,,,,voting booths,,,,
Some of that is crap, some is true shane. You have to take it as 51 different systems. (50-states and DC) For example colorado has NO voting booths, citizens register if they want vote (post-office, l think), voters get their ballots by mail/post-office, they have the ballots weeks before voting deadline, voters can send-in/post-office their ballot `anytime` before deadline. Other states DO have `away` ballots like Aust does, tho maybe not all(check-this).