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Minister tells Barnaby Joyce to “fuck off”

November 18, 2016

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Acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce and a table of ministers have been told to “f**k off” and a female minister has been called a “c**t” by South Australia’s Water Minister Ian Hunter, during a heated discussion over irrigation of the Murray Darling Basin.

The bizarre tirade targeted Victorian Water Minister Lisa Neville and Barnaby Joyce who is acting Prime Minister while Malcolm Turnbull is busy doing something else not really.

The rant then continued outside, with Mr Hunter telling department staff to also “f**k off” before heading off to buy an ice-cream.

He also called Ms Neville — a fellow Labor minister he today accused of not supporting SA on the plan — a “c**t” before telling all ministers present to “f**k off”.

The Gutter Trash called Mr Hunter for comment this morning, but he just hung up.

However, when asked if Mr Hunter had unleashed a string of expletives including towards Ms Neville, his office did not deny it had occurred but described the exchange as a “private conversation”.

Asked again if he had called Ms Neville a “c**t” his office said he had no further comment on the incident.

Earlier this morning, Mr Hunter demanded that Barnaby Joyce be sacked from the water portfolio, accusing him of “tearing up” the basin plan and attacked Ms Neville, claiming he got a better deal when the Liberals were in power.

“Malcolm Turnbull either has to pull him into line or sack him and hand over the ministry for water to somebody like Senator Ruston,’’ he said.

Victoria and NSW have each stated in recent months that they do not want to see any further water buybacks under the plan, and want to focus on measures to get similar environmental gains without taking more water from the system.

“Quite frankly I got more support when the Victorian Government was run by the Liberals and we had a National party minister who was also committed to delivering the plan,” Mr Hunter said.

“I’m outraged that NSW and Victoria have decided they don’t want to deliver the plan because it’s too difficult for them.”

“I’m even further outraged that the Federal Government is going to let them get away with it, he said.”

 

 

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336 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2016 10:21 pm

    So…who wouldn’t tell Barnaby to F*** OFF!!

  2. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2016 1:41 pm

    Every parties got f**kheads, and we seem to have more than our fair share in SA Labor 😦

    That doesn’t make what they are doing with the Murray right, but it doesn’t help your argument at all.

    Meanwhile, speaking of c**t’s

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2016 1:15 pm

    Apparently Trump is considering Romney as Secretary of State.

    While Romney is just a Republican dolt, he’s at least mainstream politically and won’t lurch into an unexpected crisis the way a Trump clone would

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2016 2:57 pm

  5. November 20, 2016 5:27 pm

    l guess it is more evidence we need our own Trumpty-dumpty to throw into the swamp and club our swamp-critters like baby seals.

    # ,, tb seems to like a graph

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2016 7:30 pm

    # ,, tb seems to like a graph

    You should learn to interpret them … unless you are a Robber Baron in disguise (it won’t last for too long, BTW)

    For instance …

    … we have our self made business person – everyone should be clever like me and our “I pay more tax than anyone” therefore I know everything better than you and our “I’ll advise, suggest and recommend how/where you can invest your hard earned – read gamble – but it may cost a bit for the arrumph advice” and our I couldn’t GAFF about anyone else lets bet on the outcome and fuck the consequences -Whoo hoo! …)

    And then we have you tbagz … no commitment, no values, no concerns, no alternatives, no opinions, no problems … just bagging anyone and everything … shimples …

    LG!

  7. November 20, 2016 9:07 pm

    just,,,,bagging anyone and everything,,,,

    # ,, really? , sure about that?

    # ,, Or is it that l resist jumping head-first into the various echo chambers that braying-media and cheer-squads create.

    ,,,,no alternatives, no opinions,,,,

    # ,, that is noise of somebody that seems trapped within an echo chamber, instead of seeing what is going-on outside. l am pretty sure l told you the-ronald would win, and that blib wouldn`t, (and probably won`t again even tho the echo-chambers say blib will, similar echo-chambers that said the-ronald wouldn`t)

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2016 11:22 pm

    Pretty sure, probably, similar and gambling doesn’t cut it … warbling and waffling like any wannabe meedjya apprentice …

    Keep up the good work of confusion says …

  9. November 21, 2016 2:15 am

    Don`t be ashamed teebz, no need for the ad-homs either, you`re not the only one that has been sucked into the echo-chambers. On tonights news, did you see the protesters, both save-the-swampers `and` ku-klux-teabags protesting in `boltsville` of all places. Don`t tell me the same thing is going on in bananatown.

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2016 9:27 am

    Trump is a narrow minded bigot, he appeals to the same demographic as Pauline Hanson.

    Hopefully he will break a range of his election promises

  11. November 21, 2016 4:08 pm

    While,,,,Romney is just a Republican dolt, he`s at least,,,,

    http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1611/19/cnr.05.html

    ROMNEY,,,,Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University,,,,

    TRUMP,,,,The last election should have been won except Romney choked like a dog. He choked. He went .. I can`t breathe,,,,

    TRUMP,,,,I backed him. You can see how loyal he is. He was begging for my endorsement. I could have said, Mitt, drop to your knees. He would have dropped to his knees,,,,

    # ,, a kindred spirit to boo-melb (-:

    # ,, Teabags should love the-ronald, he produced a `show` and financed it with $100-mill of his `own` cash. Production costs came in `under` budget ($65-mill last l heard) and viewer `ratings` were thru the roof across 30-states which secured a 4-year deal with the networks.

  12. November 21, 2016 4:30 pm

    “What’s past is prologue.” ~ William Shakespeare, The Tempest

  13. November 21, 2016 5:07 pm

    Maybe so, but Shakespeare never won the Gold bagz-award for best Ad-Lib performance by a guest-star in a pilot episode. That honor belongs to Joe-Biden when he heard Anthony Weiner was hiding Hilary`s email on his computer.

  14. November 21, 2016 5:56 pm

    Peak Oil update.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2016 7:10 pm

    “What’s past is prologue.” ~ William Shakespeare

    And then we have …

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/history-repeating-itself

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2016 7:13 pm

    Here’s one factual gem …

    “Is it only in the army in the Philippines that Americans sometimes commit deeds that cause all other Americans to regret?

    [Theodore Roosevelt 1901 relating reports of water torture in the Philippines to lynching in the south]”

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2016 10:38 am

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-22/noel-pearson-attacks-racist-abc/8044712

    Mr Pearson accused the national broadcaster of needing Indigenous Australians to remain alienated and incarcerated, and leading short lives of grief, so it could report on misery and bleeding tragedy.

    Pearson has a point even if he is a little conflicted

  18. Walrus permalink
    November 22, 2016 11:03 am

    ***********************NEWS FLASH*********************

    Peter Dutton speaks the truth and singles out a specific ethnic group as an example of policy failure by PM Malcolm Fraser (and which is backed up by Immigration Department advice at the time) and the Left cant help itself but call him a racist.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/view-from-the-street/malcolm-turnbull-must-condemn-peter-duttons-unacceptable-racism-20161121-gsuhy5.html

  19. November 22, 2016 12:16 pm

    “”Peter Dutton speaks the truth and singles out a specific ethnic group””

    In the same vein, we could say there wouldn’t be any white trash bogans too in QLD if it weren’t for “mistakes” made in immigration, (but you already knew that).

  20. Walrus permalink
    November 22, 2016 12:34 pm

    “…….we could say there wouldn’t be any white trash bogans too in QLD if it weren’t for “mistakes” made in immigration”

    No we actually couldn’t say that……………

    The numbers speak for themselves – drive by shootings in Sydney and Melbourne, recruits to death cults like ISIS, lack of integration even amongst third generation members of this community born in Australia. Over represented reliance on Welfare, over represented in our prison populations.

    And clearly you have never visited Lebkemba.

    And so why does the NSW Police Force have a Middle Eastern Crime Squad ?

    Clearly by definition they are a pack of racists too.

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 22, 2016 12:37 pm

  22. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2016 1:03 pm

    Pearson has a point even if he is a little conflicted

    pearson has a conflict, end of story.

    Or perhaps you could ‘elaborate’ on this point?

    Is the abc so powerful it can force grubmints to continue to remove funding for already underfunded Aboriginal resources whilst continuing to ply ever more funding into already well resourced (and white) areas?

  23. November 22, 2016 1:34 pm

    “Spare me the fucking white fragility. Being called a racist is nothing like being on the target end of racism itself. ”

    If everyone’s racist then nobody’s racist.

  24. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2016 1:48 pm

    If everyone’s racist then nobody’s racist.

    😯 ❓

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2016 1:58 pm

    Dutton is a Dope of the First Order … therefore anyone who supports him must also be a dope … (according the theories espoused above) …

    Pearson is a sideline sniper … he should run for a seat if he thinks so much is wrong … One Nation perhaps?

    The ABC is being controlled by the “right” now or didn’t he notice recent appointments and “role changes” … never new the ABC had so much power and influence …

  26. Walrus permalink
    November 22, 2016 2:04 pm

    “Dutton is a Dope of the First Order … therefore anyone who supports him must also be a dope …”

    If there is no problem then why have a NSW Police Middle Eastern Crime Squad ?

    Or are the really dopey idiots the one’s that say he is a dope. (See theory espoused above)

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 22, 2016 2:30 pm

    Pearson has a clear-eyed view of the left. He understands their mongrel motives better than most.

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 22, 2016 2:38 pm

  29. November 22, 2016 3:15 pm

    tweet,,,,Heil Trump chant with nazi salutes,,,,

    # ,, save-the-swampers are in denial and still in their echo chamber. The trump-train that hit them was driven by the working-poor, working-class, under-employed, poor, and their friends and familys, yeah sure, the gun-nuts, ku-klux-teabags, dog-fanatics and usual assorted repugs hitched a ride too, but they were never going to go democat were they.

    # ,, another thing save-the-swampers haven`t admitted is, on election day hilary must have gone down in a screaming heap, as she was unable to face her cheer-squad at hilary-HQ and fulfill the role of `consoler-in-chief` after her phone call to the-ronald.

  30. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2016 3:29 pm

    He understands their mongrel motives better than most.

    You mean like reporting inadequacies is equivalent to creating them?

    The more I read here, the more I understand how trump got elected.

  31. November 22, 2016 3:47 pm

    Labor politicians should keep calling their opponents racists.

    ‘Deplorables’ is another good one. (See how that worked out for Hillary and the Dems.)

  32. November 22, 2016 4:04 pm

    “”The more I read here, the more I understand how trump got elected.””

    Enlightening isn’t it.

  33. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2016 4:08 pm

    Enlightening isn’t it.

    Not exactly the word I would have chosen reb.

    I was thinking more along the lines of bemusement and despondency.

    I mean, with yabot, we elected our trump years ago. The only difference is his toupée is a tad lower

  34. Walrus permalink
    November 22, 2016 4:18 pm

    “Not exactly the word I would have chosen reb.”

    How about “Truth”

    That’s right it’s usually 2 words

    Or 2 words “Politically Incorrect” or “Straight Talk”

  35. November 22, 2016 4:22 pm

    Half the commenters here are what I call a basket of self-obsessed, superficial, morally-posturing, name-calling know-nothings.

    The rest of us are just normal people.

  36. Walrus permalink
    November 22, 2016 4:43 pm

    “I call a basket of self-obsessed, superficial, morally-posturing, name-calling know-nothings.”

    I think you meant………………… “elites”

  37. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2016 5:06 pm

    The rest of us are just normal people.

    us?

    Sorry tosy, but especially of late, you really are coming across as more of a ‘them’ 😉

  38. November 22, 2016 5:21 pm

    “Sorry tosy, but especially of late, you really are coming across as more of a ‘them’😉”

    FU say so.

    Here’s How the ‘Hamilton’ Cast Reacted When Hillary Clinton Attended their Show

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2016 5:41 pm

    Enlightening isn’t it.

    Exactly what I was thinking …

    I think you meant………………… “elites”

    There ya go boasting again, wally* … the Elites are the 1%ers ie The Robber Barons … ya know the tax avoiders … with laws suitably adjusted by the corporate government now in power …

    *Or just the usual comprehension problem …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    FU say so.

    Well you’re certainly not one of us … with your recent Trump support … that’s called taking a side … well done … at least we know where you stand …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What’s disturbing is all the extreme right wing anger and bitterness around the world even tho’ they drive most democratic governments now – including our own … still not happy …won’t be satisfied until everyone is either cowed and tugging forelocks … chanting “Sieg Heil!” … or writing anti (what/whoever the current anger is aimed at) slogans with them …

    Bizarre …

    Do we all get a weapon … or did Howard have a long term plan in mind?

    … the AFP seems to have been on-side for some time, the ABC has been successfully invaded … are we approaching the main putsch against the people?

    What an exciting time to be an Australian* …

  40. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 22, 2016 5:43 pm

    I am much more terrified of being attacked by white Anglo Saxons on ice, than I am of being attacked by a terrorist.

  41. November 22, 2016 6:01 pm

    “The rest of us are just normal people.”

    Yes, but whose side are you on…?

  42. November 22, 2016 6:06 pm

    See,,,,how that worked out for Hillary and the Dems,,,,

    # ,, it was just multiple accounts of bad judgement by the latte-belt echo chamber, there was never a basket of deplorables, there was just the usual idiots and a train full of rustbelters.

    # ,, more bad judgement was the euphoric `her-turn` attitude when the-ronald beat the 16-teabags, and democats rigged against bernie, once it became hilary-v the-ronald, they were doomed.

    #hint, Who says braying-media can`t be wrong 17-times straight.

  43. Walrus permalink
    November 22, 2016 6:26 pm

    “What’s disturbing is all the extreme right wing anger and bitterness around the world…..”

    Was it Right Wing anger and bitterness you said ?

  44. Walrus permalink
    November 22, 2016 6:29 pm

    “I am much more terrified of being attacked by white Anglo Saxons on ice, than I am of being attacked by a terrorist.”

    Yeah…………….whatever !

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31468970/woman-shot-in-bankstown-was-innocent-bystander-police-confirm-as-hunt-for-gunman-continues/#page1

  45. November 22, 2016 6:37 pm

    “Do we all get a weapon … or did Howard have a long term plan in mind?”

    As a previous commenter would have pointed out:

    Squirt, squirt!

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2016 6:56 pm

    Yeah…………….whatever !

    That’s always a killer* explanation …

    What you have never realised is that you and others here relate to the Trump supporters … the rest of us don’t relate to any hard protests or anger from the USA …

    We live in Oz FFS! This is not the 51st State no matter how much you would like it to be …

    I feel for the Canucks … right next door! On the same estate …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As a previous commenter would have pointed out:

    Squirt, squirt!

    So you finally shit your pants, ToSY! It had to come, I guess … 😀

  47. November 22, 2016 6:57 pm

    Does military training help one absorb frighteners so easily. Or is it the safari suits.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2016 7:51 pm

    Yep the left is really in trouble … ask TurnAbbott! LOL!

    On Tuesday Turnbull smiled directly into the void of his own leadership, because publicly condemning Dutton – the most powerful conservative figure in the government – isn’t a viable option, not unless you want to go to war, not unless you have the appetite to play for keeps.

    And unfortunately for Turnbull, it is not only the immovable object of Dutton, and Dutton’s acolytes and boosters, and that irreconcilable ideological fault line that runs down the centre of this government, triggering internal convulsion after internal convulsion – there’s the long shadow of Trumpism, and Hansonism, which is emboldening negativity, and truthiness, and intolerance, and encouraging Australian politicians to dust off their worst, most calculated instincts, and share them as a cynical “empathy” gesture with voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/22/malcolm-turnbull-smiles-into-the-void-of-his-own-leadership-in-dutton-row

  49. November 22, 2016 8:11 pm

    Hah! The sooner the Libs give Turnbull the arse the better. His political radar is so good he visited New York during the election and met with Hillary but ignored Trump. His advisors are so clever that they had to ring Greg Norman for Trump’s number, after Trump won the election.

  50. November 22, 2016 8:23 pm

    “His advisors are so clever that they had to ring Greg Norman for Trump’s number, after Trump won the election.”

    I know, plenty of LULZ around over that one, or should I say plenty of LOOFS!

  51. November 22, 2016 8:25 pm

    Off topic,

    Just watching Nigella and she appears to have lost a lot of weight.

    Coke’ll do that to you.

    Did I just overhear her saying “I’m going to smear these Nigella seeds all over my tits?”

    I do believe I did… 😯

  52. November 22, 2016 8:27 pm

    “I can’t take much credit for this transformation because it’s all down the temperature of my oven”

    If you say so Nigella, if you say so…. 😯

  53. November 22, 2016 8:28 pm

    This,,,,is not the 51st State,,,,

    # ,, now who is deluding themselves. When was the last time we didn`t have a prime meddler run off to teh-usa to kiss the prez between the cheeks???? They can`t wait to do it.

    # ,, quite frankly the rest of your rant is quite ignorant. You really do delude yourself if you think rustbelters, gays, women, blacks, immigrants, don`t have commonality in teh-usa, uk and Aust.

  54. November 22, 2016 8:29 pm

    “I’m dolloping in quite a lot because the chick peas and cauliflower can withstand a bit of heat.”

    I’m sure they can…. 😯

  55. November 22, 2016 8:30 pm

    “I love having an implement in my hand”

    You don’t say… 😯

  56. November 22, 2016 8:31 pm

    “I know that there’s quite a lot here, not that that’s stopped me before…”

    😯

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2016 9:14 pm

    I quite like Nigella. Buxom is fine with me.

  58. Amerika Ink permalink
    November 23, 2016 1:32 am

    (# ,, save-the-swampers are in denial and still in their echo chamber. The trump-train that hit them was driven by the working-poor, working-class, under-employed, poor, and their friends and familys, yeah sure, the gun-nuts, ku-klux-teabags, dog-fanatics and usual assorted repugs hitched a ride too, but they were never going to go democat were they.

    Yes and/or no.)

  59. November 23, 2016 3:23 am

    (conservation groups across the United States began demanding the preservation of the remaining Great Dismal Swamp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Dismal_Swamp#Preservation )

    ,

    (Toot Toot

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Central_Railroad_System#Steam_operations )

  60. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 23, 2016 6:18 am

    Walrus:
    Reading the story you linked to it appears to be a gangland drug shooting and not a terrorist shooting. How many people were robbed or attacked ( including doctors and nurses) by white people on ice on the same day that go unreported because it is such a common occurrence and not news worthy anymore. Ice is epidemic in country towns but I am yet to find a terrorist in a country town although I know many who are on ice and violent and robbing and bashing the elderly. Even those I do work for have them in their families. One is up on so many charges of theft and assault it amazes me how she is still on the streets. Yet not one o her thefts or assaults are reported in the media. Perspective is needed. It is like shark attacks, how many attacks from sharks compared to attacks from drug addicts, yet the media is hysterical when there is a shark attack.

  61. shaneinqld permalink
    November 23, 2016 6:25 am

    The Alt-Right movement says America belongs to white people. I thought it belonged to the Indians and then white people invaded and shot and killed the Indians and stole their land in the name of white people and here are the white people claiming America is for the whites. I am white but I also see hypocrisy and have some knowledge of history as well.

  62. shaneinqld permalink
    November 23, 2016 7:01 am

    Reading the latest news about Donald Trump it appears he has done a Tony Abbot and lied to the public to get elected. The promises he made, including investigating Hillary Clinton, seem to now be being broken one after the other. I just cannot fathom how politicians of all persuasions can lie so much and then simply change their mind once elected. If they break their promises we should hold another election as they have been elected by deception and there are no degrees of honesty. Whether I agree with his policies is irrelevant, he lied to get elected.

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2016 8:36 am

    and lied to the public to get elected

    Donald Trump and Tony Abbott don’t have that record on their own!

  64. Walrus permalink
    November 23, 2016 8:41 am

    “Reading the story you linked to it appears to be a gangland drug shooting and not a terrorist shooting.”

    OK here ya go then

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2016 8:42 am

    It is like shark attacks…

    I’m not so sure about that, for example, there is huge publicity about deaths from a cowards punch, or any home invasion etc.

    But I think deaths in the ocean from sharks are becoming as common as deaths from drowning. We see plenty of action about prevention of drowning, but nothing to prevent sharks.

    As I tell shark lovers – you’d feel different about your bush hikes if koalas and kangaroos were man eaters!

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 10:40 am

    … you’d feel different about your bush hikes if koalas and kangaroos were man eaters!

    You don’t have Dropbears in Mexico?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Here’s a good news story … for a change …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/financial-advisors-face-new-standards/news-story/2f340c188930e21e6f7ef09b79fab3c5

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 10:49 am

    A “cryptic” photo of Curtis Cheng and everybody has to read, wally’s, mind?

    … I came up with a blank …

    Looking forward to any other interpretations … 😀

  68. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2016 11:57 am

    … I came up with a blank …

    Word for word then 😉

  69. November 23, 2016 11:58 am

  70. November 23, 2016 12:06 pm

    YOU ARE STILL CRYING WOLF

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 12:28 pm

    “cryptic” seems to be catching!

  72. November 23, 2016 1:52 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  73. Walrus permalink
    November 23, 2016 2:01 pm

    Seems to me that the only ones that can hear a dog whistle are the Elites.

    The deplorables only hear common sense

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 3:10 pm

    You want to look up the term Elite … yer, wally … ya talking about yerself!

    Comprehension – nil …

    And Hitler was a Communist too … duh!

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 3:16 pm

    the people who have the most wealth and status in a society : the most successful or powerful group of people.

  76. November 23, 2016 3:17 pm

    “Half the commenters here are what I call a basket of self-obsessed, superficial, morally-posturing, name-calling know-nothings.”

    Also humourless.

  77. November 23, 2016 3:28 pm

    Persuasion Versus Populism

  78. Walrus permalink
    November 23, 2016 3:45 pm

    ..”…..“cryptic” seems to be catching!…..”

    It’s quite usual for something to be cryptic to those of the least intelligence

  79. November 23, 2016 3:55 pm

    just,,,,cannot fathom how politicians of all persuasions can lie so much and then simply change,,,,

    ,,,,no cuts to this, no cuts to that, no cuts to my abc,,,,

    # ,, but who do you blame for that shane??? Do you blame the `candidate`(any-flavor) for telling the `lie`??? Or do you blame braying-media for merely acting as an advertising outlet for all candidates??

    # ,, when the-ronald threw the big, fat, juicy, bimbo-hair `outrage` into the echo-chamber, did you jump into the echo chamber with braying-media and indulge yourself on the outrage???? Did you defend the the foxtard along with braying-media using all the grandest of political correctness???? Did you notice by the end of it, the foxtard lost the bimbo-hair, while old clown-hair kept his???

  80. November 23, 2016 3:58 pm

    Election night: (According to Paul Krugman, this is his specialty): “If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.”

    Now: Markets Live: Wall St parties like it’s 1999

  81. November 23, 2016 4:28 pm

    Two weeks after Election Day, most Americans say President-elect Donald Trump will ultimately do a good job as president, though fewer approve of the way he’s handled the transition so far, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll.

    A narrow majority (53%), say they think Trump will do a very or fairly good job as president, and 40% say they have a lot of confidence in Trump to deal with the economy, a share that outpaces the percentage who had that much confidence in Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan ahead of their first inaugurations.

  82. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 23, 2016 6:17 pm

    DTS Teabag: I blame the candidate, you know, be responsible for your own actions and words and deeds. The braying media is not an excuse to tell lies. the first thing I was taught when I joined my previous bank employer was that there are no degrees of honesty. Now Rudy Guiliani, one of Trumps biggest supporters is now telling people that it is standard for politicians in the USA to lie to get elected. No wonder I detest most of them with a passion. the only truly honest politician I have ever met was Peter Andren may he RIP. It just seems the lies are getting bigger and with more of them at a time.

  83. November 23, 2016 6:29 pm

    ” Now Rudy Guiliani, one of Trumps biggest supporters is now telling people that it is standard for politicians in the USA to lie to get elected.”

    Really? I’m not saying it’s not true, in most cases it probably is. It just doesn’t sound like something a politician would admit to. Naturally you would have a link to support your assertion?

  84. November 23, 2016 7:04 pm

    Shane l don`t don`t doubt your ethics or disagree that you use them in your daily life.

    ,,,,The braying media is not an excuse to tell lies,,,,

    Todays working example is the-ronald has backed-down from `lock-her-up`, brayed long and loud from braying-media.

    At around 4am today viewers would have seen the-ronald announce multiple topics on al-jazeera/bbc, one being the `lock-her-up` backdown, another being one of the first things he will do is scrap the dud-TPP deal and take other job building and job stabilizing actions. The braying-media ran long and loud on `lock-her-up`. Not exactly an `honest` report is it???

  85. November 23, 2016 7:11 pm

    sorry tinfoil`osy, link or no-link, shane is in the ball-park on rudy, been on telly

  86. November 23, 2016 7:34 pm

    U.S. equities closed higher on Tuesday, hitting new all-time highs, as investors digested housing data and kept an eye on President-elect Donald Trump’s policy agenda.

    The Dow Jones industrial average rose about 70 points, closing above 19,000 for the first time ever, with Home Depot contributing the most gains.

    TRUMPSPERITY!

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 10:45 pm

    It’s quite usual for something to be cryptic from those of the least intelligence

    Agree!

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 10:47 pm

    Two weeks after Election Day, most Americans say President-elect Donald Trump will ultimately do a good job as president,

    And we know how accurate the polls are … duh!

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 10:51 pm

    Really? I’m not saying it’s not true

    Naturally you would have a link to support your assertion?

    Naivety 101 … and here I was thinking you’d followed the election studiously? 🙄

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2016 11:12 pm

    PATHETIC!

    THE Government tonight is confirming it has turned its high level legal officers on a 66 year-old Sydney man for using the Medicare logo on a non-profit website.

    But it hasn’t explained why it is not taking legal action against Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, Health Minister Sussan Ley, prominent Coalition MPs and the ALP for doing the same thing.

    The Commonwealth Solicitor, on behalf of the Department of Human Services, has sent a threat of court action against retired grandfather Mark Rogers who has been running a web site supporting Medicare for two years.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/activist-grandfather-feels-legal-wrath-for-doing-what-politicians-have-been-doing-for-months/news-story/063e445d3b30074ab178080801aea697

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2016 1:05 am

    Letting Catholic priests into Australia was a mistake: Centuries of failed migration policy must not be repeated
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/richard-cooke/2016/23/2016/1479858182/letting-catholic-priests-australia-was-mistake?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Today%20%20Wednesday%2023%20November%202016&utm_content=Today%20%20Wednesday%2023%20November%202016+CID_26932cd6ac27d4002b1696074411755d&utm_source=EDM&utm_term=READ%20MORE

    …Now, some bleeding hearts might suggest that the Catholic Church is not all bad. That its priests and lay members tend to the sick and poor and otherwise make a valuable contribution to Australian society. But under the Dutton scheme, we must give crimes their due weight, and this huge quantity of good works is easily outweighed by a small number of outrages.

    And it gets worse. After all, no-one has been harmed or killed by a Lebanese Muslim terrorist attack in Australia. Meanwhile, Catholic child abuse has thousands of victims. Contrast the way that the two groups co-operate with the police. While Australian Muslims have generally worked with authorities (and have even been complimented for that work), this is not true of the Catholic Church…

  92. November 24, 2016 8:01 am

    “and here I was thinking”

    SNIGGER!

  93. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 24, 2016 8:17 am

    Tony: If you watched the news you would have seen Rudy saying exactly that, just without using the specific word lie.

  94. shaneinqld permalink
    November 24, 2016 8:25 am

    DTS Teabag: The braying media are not the President Elect ! Donald Trump is the President Elect. The braying media do not force a President to lie or to abandon promises.

    In relation to an ‘honest’ report, choosing to focus on one promise is not a lie is it?. Of course they will focus on what promises he has broken, focusing on the promises he keeps is of no consequence.

    Having said that I am more interested in the promises politicians break because at the election we were told their promises and voted for or against them accordingly and would expect them to keep their word. If they don’t then I do want to know so I can make an informed decision to vote against the liars. I vote Independent mostly anyway.

  95. November 24, 2016 8:31 am

    “Tony: If you watched the news you would have seen Rudy saying exactly that, just without using the specific word lie.”

    Oh, so he didn’t say “it is standard for politicians in the USA to lie to get elected”. Thought not.

  96. November 24, 2016 8:33 am

    Why People Lost Their Minds When A Brooklyn Store Played ‘Sweet Home Alabama’

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2016 8:37 am

    And now we have a lying, narcissist, misogynist, racist, protectionist, isolationist, non-tax paying, property developer who has been bankrupt as US President…and is the hero of the anti-teabag.

  98. November 24, 2016 8:42 am

    “Four out of ten Germans fear their country is being subverted by Islam, according to a new study into attitudes towards immigration and religion. And 34.7 per cent say they feel like a stranger in their own country. New research has also revealed that 28 per cent of people say they can no longer express an opinion ‘without getting into trouble’. The same number believe governing parties deceive the electorate, in a report which raises concern about polarisation and violence in Germany.”

  99. shaneinqld permalink
    November 24, 2016 8:57 am

    Tony; You can say the same thing with different words, you are just being pedantic now.

    So how about you look up the recording and view it for yourself rather than snide backhanded remarks as though I am telling a lie.

  100. November 24, 2016 9:04 am

    Shane, if you’re going to ‘quote’ someone, use their actual words. Otherwise, you’re just making shit up.

  101. shaneinqld permalink
    November 24, 2016 9:28 am

    Tony: Utter garbage, anyone with half a brain can interpret what the words being used in conversation mean, you do not have to use the exact words to state what a person is actually saying. Making shit up is when what you are saying, does not reflect the actual intention of the words that were spoken. View the footage and then get back to me about whether I was making shit up.

  102. November 24, 2016 9:38 am

    “you do not have to use the exact words to state what a person is actually saying”

    Shane, you admit Giuliani didn’t use the word ‘lie’, yet that’s what you told us he said. So you heard what you wanted to hear, then made up your own words to ‘prove’ it.

    You can have the last word. I’ve already wasted too much time on your juvenile form of ‘argument’.

  103. November 24, 2016 11:18 am

    This one’s for all the private hire-car drivers out there.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2016 11:44 am

    SNIGGER!

    That sums up your personality and contributions here precisely … I do hope you keep trying ’cause you are …

  105. November 24, 2016 11:54 am

    “That sums up your personality and contributions here precisely … I do hope you keep trying ’cause you are …”

    EFF YOU say so. (Because, apparently, you’re some kind of expert in analysing personalities over the internet.)

    FUCKWIT!

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2016 12:04 pm

    Ain’t Augustine: Rudy Giuliani compared Donald Trump to a saint. Then things got silly.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/10/rudy_giuliani_compared_donald_trump_to_a_saint_and_then_things_got_silly.html

    Shane, if you’re going to ‘quote’ someone, use their actual words. Otherwise, you’re just making shit up…

    “Definition of Paraphrasing – University of Newcastle
    https://downloads.newcastle.edu.au/library/tutorials/…/referencing-paraphrasing.html
    Paraphrasing is using your own words to express someone else’s ideas whilst … Check that you have kept the meaning of the original source;…”

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2016 12:14 pm

    FUCKWIT!

    “Analysed” it pretty well I’d say … 😀

  108. Walrus permalink
    November 24, 2016 12:17 pm

    Did someone say something about Women being tired of of Men sexualising them all the time

    Uterus dress for #ARIAS 😘 MADE BY @emeliejanrell @crapdiem

    A post shared by Tove Lo (@tovelo) on

  109. November 24, 2016 12:18 pm

    “Check that you have kept the meaning of the original source”

    Exactly. But we don’t know the meaning of the original source, do we? Because Shane won’t tell us what Rudi actually said. Why would that be, do you think?

  110. November 24, 2016 12:20 pm

    ““Analysed” it pretty well I’d say”

    Yes, you would.

  111. Walrus permalink
    November 24, 2016 12:22 pm

    “….you’re some kind of expert in analysing personalities over the internet.”

    LOL

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Internet%20Psychologist

    “They have a tendency to point out things that people say and use them as evidence to “prove” they are a certain way in real life. Often, they are wrong, as they tend to stretch the truth of the facts they are given to fit a negative image of the person they are “evaluating” and just come across looking like complete tools. “

  112. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2016 12:49 pm

    and just come across looking like complete tools.

    I read the same about those who revert to calling others trolls.

    #justsayin

    Also applies to grubmints who go after pensioners and leave political parties alone.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2016 1:28 pm

    Yes, you would.

    Yes, you would … who’s on first?

    +++++++++++++++

    Charge of the Heavy Breathing Brigade … 😀

    Just a reminder …

    “….Because, apparently, you’re some kind of expert in analysing personalities over the internet.” – Tony of South Yarra

    That was ToSY’s analysis … of me … “apparently” … not my assertion hers.

  114. November 24, 2016 1:34 pm

    “Donald Trump is the oldest and wealthiest person elected president, the first not to have had a public office or high military command, the first to pay for his own campaign, and the first since Washington to waive his salary. He has defeated the Clintons, the Bushes, the Obamas, and almost all the dishonest, myth-making national press (including David Remnick). The national political press has declined even more precipitously than the political class, and the president-elect was elevated despite the animosity of both, a signal achievement whose significance those who have been vanquished show no signs of grasping.”

  115. November 24, 2016 1:35 pm

    ‘That was ToSY’s analysis … of me … “apparently”’

    LAME!

  116. November 24, 2016 1:58 pm

    ROLF!

    Law and order, Queensland style.

  117. November 24, 2016 3:24 pm

    In,,,,relation to an `honest` report, choosing to focus on one promise is not a lie is it?,,,,

    # ,, so what are you (and save-the-swampers) complaining about. During the pilot episode the-ronald ensured the braying media had a big, fat, juicy `outrage` (e.g.bimbo-hair) to `focus` on. Just because the-ronald knew how to use their own `focused` braying against themselves, when he told rustbelters that `corrupt corporate media`, won`t tell you the truth, tell lies, etc during his 1-2-hour rallies thru the rustbelt, and then each night rustbelters were provided a working example via braying media of only replaying ad-nauseum the `outrage` and little of anything else.

    The,,,,braying media do not force a President(candidate) to lie or to abandon(lie),,,,

    # ,, the braying-media considers themselves as king-makers and players Shane, remember that just as they endorsed-hilary, they and their hand-picked pollsters and pundits were telling the viewer/voter the `other` guy was the `sure-bet` too. To pretend that braying media is a neutral, fair or honest collective with viewers and voters best interest at heart is a lie. You need to turn your question on its head and ask yourself, Can a `truly-honest` candidate actually survive the corrupt braying-media???

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2016 4:49 pm

    Meanwhile in the real world …

    Senior executives have created a “poor compliance culture” at the four major banks and should be named and shamed when customers are mistreated, a parliamentary inquiry has found.

    The report on the banks by the the House of Representatives economics committee said it was unacceptable that no senior executive had lost their job over a string of scandals that include the provision of poor financial advice at National Australia Bank and the mishandling of life insurance claims at Commonwealth Bank.

    “The major banks have a ‘poor compliance culture’ and have repeatedly failed to protect the interests of consumers,” the report said.

    “This is a culture that senior executives have created. It is a culture that they need to be held accountable for.”

    The report expressly rejected an assertion by NAB chief executive Andrew Thorburn – who like his counterparts at ANZ, CBA and Westpac, appeared before the committee in October – that financial planners were responsible for their own misconduct.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/breaking-news/bank-execs-to-blame-for-breaches-inquiry/news-story/d46797cecd7a6705b146b4d328ab4336

  119. November 24, 2016 5:11 pm

    ,,,poor compliance culture,,,=Willful-Blindness

  120. November 24, 2016 5:47 pm

    I’m literally shaking (with schadenfreude-induced laughter) after watching this.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2016 6:58 pm

    It was to do with the Chinese and the Afghans “and the opium and the immigration”.

    LOL! Good read, sreb!

    If you listened carefully, you might have heard legions of constitutional experts falling off their bar stools in admiration.

    We know someone else who does that! Chuckle! 🙂

    So next time we see ROFLMAO! … we know it’s written in admiration … should have known that all along! 😀

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2016 7:00 pm

    schadenfreude

    /ˈʃɑːd(ə)nˌfrɔɪdə,German ˈʃɑːdənˌfrɔydə/

    noun

    noun: Schadenfreude; noun: schadenfreude

    pleasure derived by someone from another person’s misfortune.
    “a business that thrives on Schadenfreude”

    Mmmmm …

  123. November 24, 2016 7:21 pm

    No need for the definition, I already knew it. I used the word schadenfreude deliberately. The humiliating defeat of the Democratic Party in the US election made me feel all warm and fuzzy.

    GUFFAW!

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2016 7:51 pm

    Still missing the point ToSY …

    No need for the definition, I already knew it.

    I knew, you knew what it meant … 😉

  125. November 24, 2016 7:55 pm

    So what, exactly, is your point?

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2016 8:00 pm

    Another Coalition Failure … straight out of the NBN: Liberal Ideology Fuck It Forever Handbook …

    The federal government’s Direct Action carbon reduction policy appears to be running out of steam, with participation from industry dropping, the cost of the program rising and the budget for emissions reduction nearly exhausted.

    The Clean Energy Regulator announced on Thursday it would pay a further $367m to polluting industries, in return for a commitment for them to reduce carbon emissions by 34.4m tonnes.

    It is the smallest of four auctions held by the regulator, and leaves about $440m left in the emissions reduction fund for further carbon abatement contracts.

    With about 83% of the fund now spent, the federal government’s central climate policy is almost exhausted, with no further funding committed to the program.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/24/direct-action-carbon-reduction-policy-running-out-of-steam

    Did Direct Action ever have any “steam” …

    So where is Greg Hunt exactly?

  127. November 24, 2016 8:08 pm

    “The humiliating defeat of the Democratic Party in the US election made me feel all warm and fuzzy.”

    And I guess that’s all that really matters.

  128. November 24, 2016 8:20 pm

    You guess you are, you guess I am.

  129. November 24, 2016 8:27 pm

    🙂

  130. Walrus permalink
    November 24, 2016 9:20 pm

    “You can have the last word. I’ve already wasted too much time on your juvenile form of ‘argument’.”

    Oh come on ToSY Shane unlike the rest of us never needs to Link anything it’s just that Shane reckons ” its in the vibe”

  131. November 24, 2016 9:34 pm

    ” its in the vibe”

    I think you mean “it’s in the vibe”

  132. Walrus permalink
    November 24, 2016 9:38 pm

    But of course 😀

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2016 10:45 pm

    There’s a lot of trump adulation about it seems and he hasn’t even had a day in office yet!

    Come back when the POTUS elect has done something.

  134. Walrus permalink
    November 25, 2016 9:20 am

    “Come back when the POTUS elect has done something.”

    But he has……..he has

    He’s pissed off all you pantz wetting Lefties

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2016 9:26 am

    This is interesting. I doubt Wicks does his blog in his own time

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/michael-danby-staffer-exposed-as-proshorten-blogger/news-story/475b2577395e4d95fcabeee33585830a

    A blogger who claims to run an independent website “blowing the whistle on anything that blows” has been revealed as a taxpayer-funded staffer on Bill Shorten’s team, working for federal Labor MP Michael Danby.

    Peter Wicks works in Mr Danby’s Melbourne office, earning a salary of between $50,000 and $120,000…….The Australian sought comment from Mr Wicks about his dual roles as a blogger and political staffer, and whether he was receiving assistance with his blog. A fellow staffer in Mr Danby’s Melbourne office said Mr Wicks was in a meeting and not available, possibly for hours. Mr Wicks did not return later calls.

  136. November 25, 2016 9:54 am

    Looks like Brandis is really up shit creek this time…

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/33318001/1-billion-bell-group-bombshell/#page1

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2016 10:30 am

    NEGATIVE GEARING needs to disappear! If you don’t fix major issues — they will continue to flare up like an infection …

    The Turnbull government’s policy on negative gearing has come under fresh attack from a senior NSW Liberal minister.

    Rob Stokes, the NSW Planning Minister, has said the policy does nothing to improve supply where it is needed, but does help some people reduce their taxable income at the expense of other Australians.

    Stokes will use a speech on Friday at a Centre for Economic Development of Australia event to call on Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison to rethink their party’s policy.

    “Why should you get a tax deduction on the ownership of a multimillion dollar holiday home that does nothing to improve supply where it’s needed?” Stokes’s speech says.

    “We should promote investment in the type of housing that is needed by the burgeoning populations in cities like Sydney.”

    “We should not be content to live in a society where it’s easy for one person to reduce their taxable contribution to schools, hospitals and other critical government ­services — through generous federal tax exemptions and the ownership of multiple properties — while a generation of working Australians find it increasingly difficult to buy one property to call home.”

    (My bold…)

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/25/negative-gearing-nsw-minister-savages-federal-coalition-policy

    This government is a do nothing, rambling, knee jerk, ignorant, incompetent rabble … intent on one thing and one thing only, snouts liberally covered in $$$ and staying in power so that they can gobble up even more $$$… if they want to continue to be fed they need to heed their employers …

    Keep shitting in the landlord’s bed and eventually you’ll be evicted …

    … even the Elites, 1%ers, or Robber Barons (whatever you choose to call them have a limited life in the realm of peasantry …

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2016 11:50 am

    This government is a do nothing, rambling, knee jerk, ignorant, incompetent rabble

    No govt has the solution to the negative gearing issue. Apparently you need to get 5% capital growth on the value of the property otherwise you end up losing money.

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2016 12:37 pm

    No govt has the solution to the negative gearing issue

    Around the world other governments have a solution … no property ownership tax welfare …

    I didn’t get any tax welfare for owning a business – in fact I paid MORE tax … and for a number of years – before I earned any money …

    Apparently you need to get 5% capital growth on the value of the property otherwise you end up losing money.

    The RISK of any investment … particularly speculative … if you want to live in a capitalist environment … enjoy the rewards but suffer the consequences … don’t expect people who do the hard yakka for a living to do the lifting for the leaners …

    We are short of HOMES for new home buyers — not taxpayer subsidised ASSETs for investors …

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2016 12:51 pm

    Around the world other governments have a solution … no property ownership tax welfare …

    And you think the ALP would do that? Actually in the USA the interest payments on your own home are tax deductible.

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2016 1:02 pm

    There ya go, neel, you’ve found one solution already …

    http://www.alp.org.au/negativegearing

  142. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2016 1:51 pm

    I think the negative gearing problem is a problem nobody is capable of solving. It is a major problem in Sydney and Melbourne but nowhere else. And if your investment property does not go up by 5% in value/year you are losing money. If interest rates go back up to a more normal level i think the problem will be solved.

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2016 2:58 pm

    Problem? For who … Taxpayers? First home buyers? Investors?

    At least you recognise that its a problem …

    (It is not a taxpayer responsibility to ensure that someone makes a profit … nor are they responsible if someone suffers a loss … )

    People who buy a HOME usually sell and buy in the same market … for somewhere to live … investors simply want to make money and if they don’t they get a handout!

    Ludicrous …

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2016 3:06 pm

    The Federal Government certainly has a spending* problem!

    Barnaby Joyce has used a regulatory order to move the commonwealth pesticides regulator to his own electorate to ensure it cannot be challenged – a move that will cost taxpayers $25.6m.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/25/baranaby-joyce-ensures-agency-move-to-his-electorate-cant-be-challenged

    Barnaby Joyce is a cockhead … Deputy Prime Meddler alright!

    Even the NFF oppose the move …

    On Friday the NFF voted to oppose the relocation of the Authority from Canberra, with CEO Simon Talbot raising concerns about a loss of talent if staff opt for a redundancy, instead of relocating.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-24/federal2c-state-mps-slam-nff-vote-on-pesticides-authority-m/6569896

    Maybe Bananaby should move his family to Norfolk Island … ’cause “all knowledge” doesn’t reside in his fkn Canberra office either.

  145. Walrus permalink
    November 25, 2016 3:54 pm

    “… investors simply want to make money and if they don’t they get a handout! ”

    Or they put the rent up. Which will gradually happen if NG is kicked out the window. That’s how asset prices work. Their value uis determined by their yield,. So if the yield falls the value of the property will also fall unless the rents go up.

    That’s how bonds work, that’s how equities work, that’s how commercial property works.

    Its the laws of Finance 101 that you are playing around with. It wont happen overnight but rents will escalate over the medium term of 2 to 3 years.

    In order for any asset to keep its value it must have an acceptable yield.

  146. November 25, 2016 11:05 pm

    That blubbering may be so, but still has nothing to do with `1st-home` buyers locked-out by the double-whammy of rocketing-home price and growing junk-jobs. You might also want to consider that these so-called `investment` properties are no good to most of them either, as the `strata` setup is considerably more expensive to run.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2016 1:27 pm

    Its the laws of Finance 101 that you are playing around with.

    Well boo hoo … its not all about profit and Robber Baron wannabes …

    … its primarily about housing families … so that they can live comfortably and contribute to the society that so many want to rape and plunder!

    In order for any asset to keep its value it must have an acceptable yield.

    Asset value fluctuates constantly in any investment … but just because the price of, say, gold goes down an investor can’t claim a tax rebate … Shimples 101 …

    Do you mean homes … ’cause a home is not an asset … or do you mean the people who are assets in society and oddly enough make the economy churn – that’s Economics 101 …

    Even the millionaires to be, that set up the woolen and cotton mills in the late 1800’s, knew that … they not only built mills but affordable terrace houses for the workers … Business 101 …

    Society needs an economy (just not necessarily Uber Kapitalism) and an economy needs a society … (not necessarily a vacuum up and piddle down economy) …

    Ya can’t take it with you … Life Death 101 …

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2016 1:59 pm

    Housing prices in Sydney doubled in the late 1980’s in one year. I think it was 1987. Not sure why that happened. So what is happening now is not new.

    I suspect the low interest rates are forcing investors into housing because the yield elsewhere is low. Outside Sydney and Melbourne houses are affordable. On the outskirts of Sydney you can still get a 2 bedroom unit for 350K or a 3 bedroom townhouse for $500K. Leave Sydney and the rest of NSW is affordable.

    If there is a problem there is one political party incapable of solving the problem. The ALP. The ALP just uses economic problems for political purposes. They huff and puff and do nothing and their cheerleaders fall in line.

    Our high immigration rates are also contributing to high house prices.

  149. November 26, 2016 8:12 pm

    Swamp Critters,,,,just uses economic problems for political purposes. They huff and puff and do nothing and their cheerleaders fall in line,,,,#keep dancing in the tunnel dill, sooner or later the rustbelt-train will clean you up too (or-ya`kids)

  150. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2016 9:20 pm

    keep dancing in the tunnel dill, sooner or later the rustbelt-train will clean you up too (or-ya`kids)

    Not sure what you are trying to say but the ALP causes nothing but trouble. Look at the budget. Swan turned a $20B budget surplus into a $27B budget deficit within 12 months. That is a $47B turnaround. The GFC does not explain such a turnaround.

    In 2007 which is not that long ago the Commonwealth was debt free. We were one of the few countries in human history with no debt. Now debt is at 18% of GDP and exploding. I believe the debt increase is unstoppable thanks to Rudd/Gillard.

    In 2008 there were only 6 boat people in detention. Rudd abolished the Pacific Solution and we ended up locking 50,000 boat people up.

    The ALP trashes everything it touches.

  151. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2016 11:44 pm

    “…… a tax rebate…..”

    Interesting you don’t know the difference between a tax deduction and a rebate.

    I suggest you keep commentating. I like comedy

    By the way. Check the proportion of income paid in rent in comparable overseas citie to that backwater of Brisbane and other cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

    Overseas it’s much higher

    NG whether you like it or not acts as a yield enhancer for investors.

    Fiddle with it then there will be checks and balances in the asset value model

    You might not like that but Finance 101 does not give a flying fuck about your version of valuation models

  152. November 27, 2016 2:44 am

    guardian,,,,through generous federal tax exemptions and the ownership of multiple properties .. while a generation of working Australians find it increasingly difficult to buy one property to call home,,,,

    blubbering,,,,you don`t know the difference between a tax deduction and a rebate,,,,

    # ,, big-deal, whether it is technically wrongly referred to as `rebate/deduction/exemption` or just plain`ol `loop-hole` is neither here nor there, all it really shows is you`re a blubbering wanker that cheers for poverty and hardship in your homeland, and then expects kudos from the very people you cheer AGAINST, when you `donate-timber` off-shore.

    # ,, what a true fcuking wanker

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2016 11:03 am

    The ALP negative gearing policy supports demolition of heritage houses as a tax break.

    That’s nice

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2016 2:10 pm

    NG whether you like it or not acts as a yield enhancer for investors.

    … that explains your position precisely … “yield enhancer”?

    Its a (legal) tax avoidance scheme for property investors … keep sucking and the teat eventually will run dry …

    Subsidising investors is BS …

    This government not only has a spending issue (especially based upon poor decisions) … it has a massive revenue issue … and NG and associated capital gains is part of the problem … in business you make a profit or suffer a loss … in the case of NG you make a profit or break even … from suffering a loss …

    Small businesses don’t get that sort of break … they pay tax … can’t pay tax you go under and/or get fined by the ATO …

    No wonder every man and his/her dog wants to own as much property as possible … while rents rise and first home buyers are left on the footpath …

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 27, 2016 2:47 pm

    it has a massive revenue issue

    Don’t agree. All the govt has to do is cut spending by 10% and the problem is solved. The budget would be back in surplus and we would not need to borrow any more money from foreigners. Costello ran surplus budgets because he spent less than he received.

    Subsidising investors is BS …

    I think you can do something similar with shares. But NG may not be as great as people think. If interest rates go back up to normal levels i think people will lose money.

  156. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2016 4:45 pm

    The ALP negative gearing policy supports demolition of heritage houses as a tax break.

    Could you link for us the section in the ALP policy where it declares circumventing heritage listing orders?

    Cheers

    Costello ran surplus budgets because he spent less than he received. taxed us more than he required.

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2016 5:52 pm

    Given that there are no industrial sites in my suburb (for example), the only was to have a tax effective residential investment (under the ALP policy) will be to demolish an existing property and build a new one.

  158. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2016 7:19 pm

    So yor short answer is NO then ?

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2016 7:26 pm

    The ALP negative gearing policy encourages the demolition of existing housing in suburbs with heritage housing.

    Is that clear enough?

  160. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2016 7:46 pm

    Is that clear enough?

    Building new houses encourages that, this is why we have heritage laws.

    Could you link for us the section in the ALP policy where it declares circumventing heritage listing orders?

    Cheers

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2016 9:21 pm

    Are you serious? You think my comment relates to legal protection of heritage buildings?

    There are slabs of mature suburbs with delightful houses between 70 and 100 years old and the ALP’s policy encourages their demolition

  162. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2016 9:41 pm

    So, yomm is against progress. Interesting

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2016 12:10 am

    No link tho’ …

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:49 am

    There are slabs of mature suburbs with delightful houses between 70 and 100 years old and the ALP’s policy encourages their demolition..

    Don’t forget the other part of Labor’s policy:
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-truth-about-negative-gearing,8688

    …And what about rental prices?

    Critics would argue I am focusing only on housing prices, not rents. Negative gearing is designed to lower rents by allowing investors to rent at a loss. The problem here is that renting at a loss is still a loss unless something else is going on. That something else is capital gains.

    Negative gearing only makes sense as an investment strategy because investors make their real money by buying low and selling high. So it works only if house prices are increasing. To the extent it contains rents, it only does so “relatively” — rents rise less rapidly than house prices, but both go up because of the scale of new demand.

    In some market segments, especially the bottom end, new supply can make things worse. Indeed, “new supply” often increases rents because it demolishes older, cheaper housing to make newer, fancier and more expensive housing. On this score, the best part of Labor’s announcement is the reduction in the tax concession for capital gains

  165. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 8:44 am

    Saw this at the bottom of the graudian article you linked to ao

    The ‘latte libel’ is a brilliant strategy. The left cannot counter it with facts alone

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/28/the-latte-libel-is-a-brilliant-strategy-the-left-cannot-counter-it-with-facts-alone

    Especially in a post-truth world.

    Here is how it’s done. First, the latte libel narrowly redefines the category of working Americans (class) into white people living outside the big cosmopolitan cities – the victims. It then confects a new category, the latte-sipping ruling Democratic elite containing the plurality of categories of progressive identity politics including, notably in an election like this, women. It might also include the equivalent of the ABC in Australia, i.e. somewhat moderate journalists, and, of course, Guardian readers. Meanwhile, in this fictitious narrative, the actual Republicans escape any responsibility for their actions. They are the narrators posing as the champions of the working people, lambasting this many-headed “elite” for its indifference to the hardships of the same neoliberalism that Republicans themselves have championed.

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 9:07 am

    So, yomm is against progress. Interesting

    FMD, being concerned about the demolition of traditional houses is “against progress”!!!

    How do you figure that? My point is that (under ALP policy) if you wish to invest (tax effectively) in residential real estate in an established suburb you’ll need to demolish a house.

    No link tho’ …

    Is that the standard you’re now going to apply to your own opinions and comments TB?

  167. November 28, 2016 10:15 am

    team-cheerer,,,,Especially in a post-truth world,,,,

    # ,, so your team is going to be running around with this ,,,post-truth,,, clap-trap, well let`s look at some `post-truth` then, the rustbelt-train, just like the brexit-train, was driven by the working-poor, and those that were hit by these trains `were` the `elite` including braying-media, that never saw them coming. That guardian post is largely crap.

  168. November 28, 2016 10:58 am

    ‘Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s oddly warm remembrance of Fidel Castro set social media aflame.’

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/trudeaueulogies

  169. November 28, 2016 11:04 am

    Hmmm.

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has declined to mark the passing of the former Cuban leader

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:06 am

    Saw this at the bottom of the graudian article you linked to ao

    Is that how they manage to get a certain cohort of people to vote against their own financial interests, to vote to make themselves worse off? Or, is that what the additional racism does, gets them fired up hatin’ on each other and they forget that they will be screwed by the real elites?

  171. November 28, 2016 11:09 am

    that,,,,(under ALP policy) if you wish to invest (tax effectively),,,,

    # ,, what a load of horse-shit. Apart from the brief kevin07 victory, when was the last time `you` saw zombie-lite do anything `effective` in the last two decades???? #yaaay.blib

  172. November 28, 2016 11:11 am

    Trudeau’s turn from cool to laughing stock

  173. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:15 am

    How do you figure that?

    Because, if anything is worth saving, it is heritage listed. If it isn’t, it’s just an outdated abode that is ready for upgrading.

    Could you link for us the section in the ALP policy where it declares circumventing heritage listing orders?
    Cheers

    gets them fired up hatin’ on each other and they forget that they will be screwed by the real elites?

    More of the latter I think ao, but I am always amazed at friends of mine who constantly vote liberal, but constantly whine about what the libs do to make their lot worst of.

    I had a mate who railed for years about Unions (still does, he still doesn’t think they had anything to do with his conditions, it was all his hard work apparently)

    He recently worked out that he was being ripped off with his super, and has discovered this wonderful thing called “Industry Super funds”, which performed far better

    He refuses to believe the Unions would have anything to do with them, and, if they did, then they would perform better without them.

    In-ground hatreds overrule common sense every time

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has declined to mark the passing of the former Cuban leader

    Our fearless leader is not afraid to say nothing! 😉

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:19 am

    Pauline’s strategy is to be another ‘tea party’ she’s against any taxes, against climate change and intelligent, thinking people. Plenty of hate to go around though.
    We’re already seeing and hearing her red highness non-stop, as the weirdo mp’s take centre stage with their angry, fuming passions fueled by james fkn ashby, soon it won’t be safe to turn on the TV or radio!

    It’s the deplorables and the zombies, run for your lives and your sanity!

  175. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:19 am

    Is that how they manage to get a certain cohort of people to vote against their own financial interests, to vote to make themselves worse off?

    Drain`TheBoo` comes to mind here 😉

  176. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:25 am

    run for your lives and your sanity!

    not until after midday at least 😉

  177. November 28, 2016 11:32 am

    Trump: “Today, the world marks the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decades. Fidel Castro’s legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights.

    “While Cuba remains a totalitarian island, it is my hope that today marks a move away from the horrors endured for too long, and toward a future in which the wonderful Cuban people finally live in the freedom they so richly deserve.

    “Though the tragedies, deaths and pain caused by Fidel Castro cannot be erased, our administration will do all it can to ensure the Cuban people can finally begin their journey toward prosperity and liberty. I join the many Cuban Americans who supported me so greatly in the presidential campaign, including the Brigade 2506 Veterans Association that endorsed me, with the hope of one day soon seeing a free Cuba.”

    National, World Leaders React to Castro’s Death

  178. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:32 am

    barney isn’t looking to hot right now lol

  179. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:33 am

    National, World Leaders React to Castro’s Death

    Australia

    ”                                       “

  180. November 28, 2016 11:35 am

    ‘Former prime minister Tony Abbott was less restrained, and unleashed a scathing attack on Mr Castro’s legacy, who died on Friday night Cuba time.

    ‘Mr Abbott described him as a brutal dictator who killed thousands of people and reduced his country to poverty, while being an enemy of both US and western values, as well as human decency.

    ‘”Frankly his legacy is a bad one … and not one that should be celebrated in anyway,” Mr Abbott told Sky News.’

  181. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:40 am

    Former prime minister

    I know it’s a difficult concept to wrap yer hed around 😉

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:51 am

    That’s right Tom R…. provide a tax incentive to demolish every hose like this!

    Because that’s progress (according to someone who obviously lacks taste) .

    https://b.domainstatic.com.au/w800-h532-2007746672_6_pi_150224_122053

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:55 am

    Who cares what abbott says, who is it that keeps him in the media, his best mates at the oz?

    ‘”Frankly his legacy is a bad one … and not one that should be celebrated in anyway,” Mr Abbott told Sky News.’

    Same as abbott’s himself, so stop. it.

  184. November 28, 2016 11:57 am

    of,,,,people to vote against their own financial interests, to vote to make themselves worse off,,,,

    # ,, for many it doesn`t make an iota of difference (womens-welfare, gay-marriage) whether zombie or zombie-lite gets in, and until cheer-squads recover from their own denial and understand that, they will continue to consider 14%-blib as an asset for `them`, but really blib`s-leadership is an asset for xeno and greenz #yaaay.blib

  185. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 12:03 pm

  186. November 28, 2016 12:37 pm

    Pauline`s,,,,strategy is to be,,,,

    # ,, l really don`t know what`ya bleating about armchair. xeno and greenz probably won`t gain pauline seats, but pauline is taking seats off teabumpkins and teabags and making them cack themselves. What`s not to like??? (-: Do you want the seats to go back to the teabumpkins?

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:13 pm

    No bagz, I do not!

    Happy to wait with baited breath to see if the qld libs will concoct another ‘get pauline’ attempt [like abbott’s ‘australians for dishonest politics’ or dish more dirt on james ashby [surely they’ve got plenty in their dirt files] or try to take her party down in some other unexpected way – the white shoe brigade at the gold coast is pretty good at dirtbag skullduggery and assassination!

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:16 pm

    Our friend Lee Rhiannon is sad to see Castro go

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:23 pm

    In-ground hatreds overrule common sense every time

    In-ground belief systems over-rule common sense and scientific research every time.

    Mind you, the belief system doesn’t stop them from being completely dishonest, lying, cheating dirtbags, like hanson and ‘show me some more data’ roberts making sure they snorkel a long, long way away from any coral bleaching.

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:35 pm

    Our friend Lee Rhiannon is sad to see Castro go…

    “…Fidel Castro liberated Cuba from corruption, exploitation. From opposing Apartheid to bringing healthcare to Third World he inspired so many…”

    Remember that michael moore doco where he took americans [who had sacrificed their own health when saving others during 9/11 and been left to rot by their own insurance companies and US health system] over to cuba where their complaints were investigated, diagnosed and given treatment medications for no cost, there was an additional, welcoming, humanity from the medical staff?

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:38 pm

    The ALP seeks to hand tax breaks to property developers who will demolish these houses, with the vociferous support of Tom R

  192. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:50 pm

    “…………over to cuba where their complaints were investigated, diagnosed and given treatment medications for no cost, there was an additional, welcoming, humanity from the medical staff?”

    Yeah I remember…………………but do you really think the Cuban government had no idea they were visiting…………….you seriously don’t think they’d use it as a propaganda tool ?

    Wow…………..!

  193. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:53 pm

    with the vociferous support of Tom R

    You don’t have any support for saving tax payers dollars to millionaires propping up their portfolios?

    Could you link for us the section in the ALP policy where it declares circumventing heritage listing orders?

    Cheers

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:55 pm

    The ALP seeks to hand tax breaks to property developers who will demolish these houses, with the vociferous support of Tom R

    They do not tomM, property developers already get whopping tax breaks, ALP policy seeks to curtail them.

    You have completely ignored the planned changes to capital gains concessions which will prevent exactly that [because investors can’t make money from it].

    You really do show your party room credentials sometimes.

  195. November 28, 2016 1:55 pm

    Fidel Castro liberated Cuba from corruption, exploitation. From opposing Apartheid to bringing healthcare to Third World he inspired so many

  196. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:56 pm

    “Vale Fidel Castro, extraordinary 20th century figure, survived 50 year embargo & 638 CIA attempts on life using ex-lovers & Mafia gangsters.”

    Senator Kim Carr

    Yeah…..he survived because he was a dictator you fuckwit and dictators tend to not bother with elections or just have “showpiece elections”.

    What a fuckwit !

  197. November 28, 2016 1:57 pm

  198. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 1:58 pm

    Yeah I remember…………………but butt butt ………… lol

    Has turnbull been told what to say about Castro yet, or is his silence still golden.

    I love the way the libs are about to ‘tweak’ his front bench.

    Why is a Labor party in ‘crisis’ whenever their is front bench movement, but the libs are simply ‘refreshing’?

    Also just CatchingUp, but it appears that brandis has thrown hockey under a bus?

  199. November 28, 2016 2:09 pm

    The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on the death of former Cuban President Fidel Castro:

    “It is with deep sorrow that I learned today of the death of Cuba’s longest serving President.

    “Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century. A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.

    “While a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for “el Comandante”.

    “I know my father was very proud to call him a friend and I had the opportunity to meet Fidel when my father passed away. It was also a real honour to meet his three sons and his brother President Raúl Castro during my recent visit to Cuba.

    “On behalf of all Canadians, Sophie and I offer our deepest condolences to the family, friends and many, many supporters of Mr. Castro. We join the people of Cuba today in mourning the loss of this remarkable leader.”

  200. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 2:12 pm

    I recall how when certain adversely affected peoples in England who disparaged thatcher after her death were belittled here by some who now seem to think that disparaging Castro after his death is quite OK

    I’m not sure if ‘hypocritical’ is the correct word?

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2016 2:24 pm

    The alt-right isn’t only about white supremacy. It’s about white male supremacy.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/25/the-alt-right-isnt-just-about-white-supremacy-its-about-white-male-supremacy/?tid=pm_business_pop

  202. November 28, 2016 2:31 pm

    “seem to think that disparaging Castro after his death is quite OK”

    You mean like this?

  203. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 2:40 pm

    It’s about white male supremacy.

    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/in-which-pond-dallies-with-54-year-old.html#.WDunEOZ_eUk

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:03 pm

    So if you buy an investment house like the one in the photo, the ALP won’t give you a tax break, but if you drive a bulldozer through it and build a McMansion… You’ll get the tax break.

    Yep, and Tom R vociferously supports that policy!! And AO too!

  205. November 28, 2016 3:13 pm

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:19 pm

    ALP policy
    This good, and therefore can be negatively geared-
    http://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/800px-Mcmansion_under_construction_1_4_1.jpg?itok=f-mmargE
    This can’t be negatively geared, so it should be demolished by an investor –

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:29 pm

    And this is hardly partisan AO. I wrote to our local council to register my objection when the demolition of Gough Whitlam’s childhood home was approved.

    Neighborhoods lose their appeal through over development and the ALPs policy provides a carrot to demolish established housing.

  208. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:30 pm

    “I recall how when certain adversely affected peoples in England who disparaged thatcher after her death were belittled here………”

    So you’d cheer the death of Thatcher because you reckon her policies were the equivalent of Hitler , Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot and Castro

    Now that an interesting case of equivalence

  209. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:34 pm

    “Neighborhoods lose their appeal through over development and the ALPs policy provides a carrot to demolish established housing.”

    And if the replacement building(s) is sold as new a foreign investor can buy it.

    Great policy

  210. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:35 pm

    but if you drive a bulldozer through it and build a McMansion… You’ll get the tax break.

    You mean like you currently do?

    I wrote to our local council to register my objection when the demolition of Gough Whitlam’s childhood home was approved.

    Poor widdle yomm was ignored. Perhaps you should have highlighted its heritage value instead of whining?

    At the time, Boroondara Council said it had been unaware of the home’s history and had granted a demolition order.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-13/gough-whitlam-childhood-home-demolished-in-melbourne/7413298

    Poor yomm, battling an uphill battle against Progress. People MUST live in his idealised standard of housing.

    btw

    Could you link for us the section in the ALP policy where it declares circumventing heritage listing orders?

    Cheers

  211. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:41 pm

    And if the replacement building(s) is sold as new a foreign investor can buy it.

    But they can build, the foff back home hey?

    So you’d cheer the death of Thatcher

    LINK you illiterate dimwit!

  212. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:46 pm

    “LINK you illiterate dimwit!”

    You are the fuckwit who started the equivalence argument

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 3:51 pm

    No. But the only way (under ALP policy) to invest in a house in (say) Hawthorn or another established suburb is to demolish an existing house.

    That’s what you’re advocating

  214. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 4:13 pm

    You are the fuckwit who started the equivalence argument

    Ye, but yor the fuckwit ™ who claimed that I’d “cheer the death of Thatcher”

    But the only way (under ALP policy) to invest in a house in

    the “only” way?

    You do understand that not everyone who invests in houses now access negative gearing, don’t you?

  215. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 4:15 pm

    The Australian Taxation Office has only one company in its highest risk category for tax avoidance – Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation.

    http://www.afr.com/news/policy/tax/rupert-murdochs-news-corp-is-atos-top-tax-risk-20150510-ggy6cf#ixzz4RCz9ayNa

    Remember that next time you see his minions rabbiting on about ‘waste and welfare’

    They are the countries biggest ‘welfare’ recipients

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 4:19 pm

    When I make a comment is it necessary to repeat everything I’ve already said?

    The point is that a residential investor looking at an established suburb has the choice of a period home without negative gearing, or bulldozing it and building another house and gaining the tax benefit.

    That’s the policy you support, a tax benefit for bulldozing houses!

  217. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 4:21 pm

    When I make a comment is it necessary to repeat everything I’ve already said?

    ROFL

    Could you link for us the section in the ALP policy where it declares circumventing heritage listing orders?

    Cheers

  218. November 28, 2016 4:30 pm

    Oh Cuba. Did you receive kudos for your generous medical staff and equipment donations to the poor that over shadowed somebody`s timber donation?

    Oh Canadia. Did you select a leader that is smart, genuine and pure class all the way?

    Oh Australia. Did you select another miserable, do nothing good, wrecker and phoney on just about every level?

    #yes,you,did

  219. November 28, 2016 4:35 pm

    “They are the countries biggest ‘welfare’ recipients”

    Really? How do you work that out?

    “They have said, ‘We are not required to talk to you before we file a tax return,’ and they are right,” Mr Konza said of the unnamed Q1 company.

    “We say, ‘If you don’t want to co-operate in that manner, then you can expect that we’re going to have to do audits and reviews on you all the time, because we won’t have any other way of seeing things’,” Mr Konza said.

    “And they have said, ‘We intend to demand all our rights and meet our responsibilities under the act.'” … News Corp Australia chief executive Julian Clarke told the corporate tax avoidance inquiry on April 8, “I would define it as this: we want to pay, we must pay, the right amount of tax – no more and no less. That is our corporate position.

    “So I sit here today confident that we are doing exactly that with the corporate laws that apply in Australia.”

    k

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 4:35 pm

    I have no idea what you’re on about.

    heritage

    noun
    1. something that is handed down from the past, as a tradition:
    a national heritage of honor, pride, and courage.
    2. something that comes or belongs to one by reason of birth; an inherited lot or portion:
    a heritage of poverty and suffering.
    3. something reserved for one:
    the heritage of the righteous.
    4. Law.
    1. something that has been or may be inherited by legal descent or succession.
    2. any property, especially land, that devolves by right of inheritance.
    adjective
    5. noting or relating to a product, place, etc., that evokes a nostalgic sense of tradition or history:
    visitors to a heritage site in the Middle East.
    6. noting or relating to an older, traditional breed of animal or plant:
    raising pure-breed heritage hogs.

  221. November 28, 2016 4:39 pm

  222. November 28, 2016 4:44 pm

    “The fact that News Corp is the subject of the ATO’s highest level of scrutiny is partly due to its history. It’s been in long-running legal battles with the ATO.

    And traditionally, it has mainly won because its tax minimisation strategies – while morally questionable – are legal under global tax laws.

    Even the courts have said so.”

    Just another baseless twitter outrage.

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2016 4:55 pm

    Is that the standard you’re now going to apply to your own opinions and comments TB?

    So it’s your opinion? Didn’t I read that you said it was ALP policy?

    The ALP negative gearing policy supports demolition of heritage houses as a tax break.

    And then …

    The ALP negative gearing policy encourages the demolition of existing housing in suburbs with heritage housing.

    So is it a policy, or just your opinion …

    Mmmm …

    Quite a few links in my comments if you ever look … that usually (not always) support my opinion* …

    *My opinions were/are sometimes based on personal experience and observation … and they should be pretty obvious … even to you … (Clues: in my opinion, I’ve seen, I’ve done … etc )

    Just taken time to read the above since my last comment … I see (above) that the personal attacks are firing up again … Classic Trump? Quick studies …

    So, I take it there is no link then?

  224. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 4:56 pm

    “I recall how when certain adversely affected peoples in England who disparaged thatcher after her death were belittled here by some who now seem to think that disparaging Castro after his death is quite OK”

    “belittled” implies empathy for there point of view

    You probably need to look that up

    empathy
    ˈɛmpəθi/
    noun
    noun: empathy

    the ability to understand and SHARE the feelings of another.

  225. November 28, 2016 4:58 pm

    It’s instructive to note how the SMH’s Deputy Editor, BusinessDay inserted her opinion “while morally questionable” into that news report. Just as well our system runs on laws, not someone’s opinion of what is moral..

  226. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 4:58 pm

    “I see (above) that the personal attacks are firing up again”

    Yes indeed

    “LINK you illiterate dimwit!” – TomR

  227. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 5:14 pm

    Yes indeed

    Did I belittle you 🙂

  228. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 5:16 pm

    And I note, just like yomm, you are unable to back up your baseless attacks with any … evidence 😉

  229. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 5:20 pm

    I dont have to as it’s already done . You trying to draw a parallel is enough

    Your own comments are the evidence

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2016 5:21 pm

    This is the society that the ALP/Greens want for us.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/27/venezuelas-currency-is-so-devalued-it-no-longer-fits-in-ordinary-wallets/

    CARACAS, Venezuela — It’s not so easy to find someone who still uses a wallet in Venezuela, where inflation is expected to reach 720 percent this year and the biggest bill — 100 bolivars — is worth about 5 U.S. cents on the black market.,,,,,

  231. November 28, 2016 5:40 pm

    HA ,,,noun: empathy,,, what a fcuking joke, the blubbering dill with no empathy towards others what-so ever, is fleeing to the `empathy` definition #chuckle

    # ,, the reagan-puppet and thatcher-puppet left a wake of wrecked citizens caused by `their` turns of arse-fcuking their own countries #suck.it.up

    ,

    washpo,,,,increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery .. including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human `trolls,` and networks of websites and social-media accounts .. echoed and amplified,,,,

    # ,, ha ha armchair, washpo is part of the braying-media with no self-awareness

    # ,, from TV talking heads, braying that 1% of news was fake that came from non-media, the joke later being that they removed established-media from the `investigating` (meaning if fake/junk reports had `any` influence, most of the fake/junk that `influenced` came from braying-media) #guffaw

  232. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 5:41 pm

    Your own comments are the evidence

    So, me saying that other people have celebrated someones death is the same as me celebrating someones death.

    wallly, you are post-sense. You truly are an “illiterate dimwit”

    You should actually take that as constructive criticism, not belittlement 😉

    So, I take it there is no link then?

    I can see why he doesn’t, wally tried and just proved my later assertion

    ROFL-COPTER

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 6:08 pm

    Negative gearing tax breaks for new houses

    No negative gearing tax break on existing houses

    Tom R requires a link to explain ALP policy to him!

    IJSHICBI

  234. November 28, 2016 7:26 pm

    Your,,,,own comments are the evidence,,,,

    # ,, often true, and yes , includes me

    # ,, we all remember how often l have (or-others) have told you zombie-lite is a crap selling point for your team, and/or how there is not an iota of difference between `this` team and `that` team on many topics, and how joolya was a dud, that the unmarried, atheist dud was too dumb to pick the low-hanging fruit of gay-marriage and voluntary-euthanasia, and didn`t have the leadership nous to wrangle her zombies on these topics, and `our` loudest team-cheerer was all but,but,but, #yaaay.team

    ,

    # ,, tho there is nothing quite like a `working` example (-:

    denton,,,,that both Canada and California have enacted their own voluntary assisted dying laws. Meaning there are now over 100 million people in the world who have full choice about what happens to them at the end of their life. None of them Australians,,,,

    http://www.gogentleaustralia.org.au/transcript_andrew_denton_s_npc_address

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2016 8:23 pm

    IJSHICBI??? Gibberish!

    Tom R requires a link to explain ALP policy to him!

    Actually I require a link that supports your opinion of the ALP Policy?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And again!

    I dont have to as it’s already done . You trying to draw a parallel is enough

    Your own comments are the evidence

    What’s already done? Proof?

    Trying to draw parallel is proof? Of what?

    Which comments? Proof?

    Putting your words and thoughts in other people’s comments is typical, classic, unstable, nonsense as per Trump … you’ve been playing that game for years …

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 9:14 pm

    You require???

    TB, please don’t take yourself seriously

  237. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2016 9:38 pm

    No yomm, all I asked for was something to back up yor previous assertion which you have been unable to provide. Or you could just admit that the assertion was wrong

  238. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2016 9:43 pm

    Wrong? You’re just too much of an ALP zealot to comprehend the adverse effects of any of their policies.

    If there is a tax benefit for redevelopment and not one for established houses the money migrates to redevelopment.

    Surely even you can understand that.

  239. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2016 10:41 pm

    “TB, please don’t take yourself seriously”

    ROFL

    Someone has to take TheBigot of Queensland seriously

    Even if just himself

  240. November 28, 2016 11:12 pm

    Did everybody see today`s swamp-panic over `backpacker`tax??? Does everybody realize it is largely bullshit, and quite the non-event???

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2016 11:16 pm

    Someone has to take TheBigot of Queensland seriously

    LOL! Says the, wally “I’m Not a Catholic” … but I really hates dem Muslins (sic) …

    All I want to see is ToM providing a link to ALP Policy rather than his speculation … 😀

  242. November 29, 2016 12:34 am

    a,,,,link to ALP Policy rather,,,, pointless don`t you think??? Are you seriously expecting blib to make it `out-right`??? Maybe as part of a `watermelon` outfit, other than that, blib won`t make it.

  243. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2016 2:55 am

    about time!

  244. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 3:44 am

    The ALP negative gearing policy encourages the demolition of existing housing in suburbs with heritage housing.
    Is that clear enough?

    Only if you can supply the part of the policy that says people can buy and destroy heritage housing in order to gain the tax advantage.

    Until then, that’s just a plain lie defending a current policy of grafting tax payer dollars to wealthy investors at the expense of first home buyers.

    If there is a tax benefit for redevelopment and not one for established houses the money migrates to redevelopment.
    Surely even you can understand that.

    That is pretty easy to understand. It is also an empty and vacuous defense. How many of those houses you post are heritage listed? You have no idea, do you.

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2016 7:43 am

    So your only response is to rely on a narrow definition of heritage, after I’ve clarifed, provided a broader definition and.posted photos as examples.

  246. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 8:27 am

    Perhaps stop bringing up Heritage in yor “argument” or posting pictures of houses that are in all likelihood heritage listed themselves and we can focus on the fact that Labors policy focusses on the biggest gouger of tax payer dollars as first step in removing this welfare for the rich scheme

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2016 9:07 am

    I’ve been courteous enough to use a range of words, post the common definition, provide photos of the types of houses I’m referring to.

    But there is no acknowledgement of any of that from you, your only point is lapsing into the singularly narrow the town planning version of heritage.

    …and none of the images of the houses I’ve posted will be listed as heritage by the town planners and you simply won’t even acknowledge the (possibly unintended) consequences of the ALP policy.

    The ALP will provide a tax incentive to demolish established (bygone era) homes to build new ones.

    Australia is a new country, and the little architectural history we have should be preserved, and tax breaks that encourage demolition are misdirected.

  248. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 9:28 am

    Ha Ha Ha !

    “A stoush between a Queensland law student and Labor frontbencher Terri Butler over claims of a “racist smear” is bound for court after he bluntly rejected her apology as a “sham” …………”

    Good on him.

    I do hope he gives her a good lesson in her own arrogance and total ignorance !

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/see-you-in-court-student-rejects-labor-mp-terri-butlers-apology-and-vows-to-continue-lawsuit-20161128-gszarg.html

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2016 9:50 am

    tomM, you do realise that heritage housing is being destroyed now, under the existing NG arrangements?

    A record 800 ‘historic’ houses being demolished every week in Australia
    http://www.afr.com/real-estate/a-record-800-historic-houses-being-demolished-every-week-20160502-goklne

    Changing the NG policy and CGT might be a solution.

    How do you think it is is best to make housing affordable for younger people, so that they can stop renting and own just one home?

    Top Gears: How negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount benefit the top 10 per
    cent and drive up house prices.
    http://www.tai.org.au/sites/defualt/files/Top%20Gears%20-%20How%20Negative%20Gearing%20and%20CGT%20benefits%20top%2010%20per%20cent.pdf

  250. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2016 9:53 am

    Good on him.
    I do hope he gives her a good lesson in her own arrogance and total ignorance !

    Where’s all the money coming from, who is funding the student?
    Could it possibly be the IPA/Libs?

  251. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 9:56 am

    “Where’s all the money coming from, who is funding the student?”

    Who cares………perhaps its percentage of any award case.

    He could just put up a crowd funding appeal and he’d be swamped with cash

  252. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2016 10:42 am

    AO, in my suburb there are houses being demolished every week. Bulldoze a 100 year old house and build a McMansion that occupies the entire block.

    It destroys the reason people want to live in the area.

    So providing a new and additional tax benefit to demolish 100 year old houses is bizarre and irresponsible

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 10:43 am

    We know from the Gonski review that class and educational outcomes are correlated.

    Which is why we need to reallocate our education resources on the basis of student need, rather than the preservation of privilege. And we know from the social determinants of health framework that health outcomes are closely correlated with class as well.

    Housing is just as much a human right as education and health. If you do not have a place to call home, it is very hard to look after your health. It is hard to go to school or Tafe or university. If you do not have a safe and appropriate place to call your home it is hard to connect with other people, to feel as if you are part of society.

    As the poet Maya Angelou writes: “The ache for home lives in all of us. The safe place where we can go as we are and not be questioned.”

    With housing, however, we tend not to imagine that it is government’s responsibility to ensure that no one misses out on it.

    We rather view the market as the “normal” mechanism by which housing is allocated.

    Further to this, some see housing, particularly with the aid of unfair and inefficient settings such as negative gearing, as a speculative sport rather than a fundamental human right.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/29/housing-inequality-is-a-failure-to-govern-and-the-market-is-not-the-answer

  254. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 10:47 am

    I’ve been courteous enough to use a range of words

    lol

    Pity they were the wrong ones 😉

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 11:00 am

    DONALD Trump’s impending presidency is hitting Australians where it hurts most: interest rates.

    First home buyers can expect a tougher, more expensive mortgage market courtesy of the property-developer-cum-leader-of-the-free-world, economists say.

    And it’s already begun, with Westpac, St George, Bank of Melbourne, BankSA, Rams, ME and Ubank hiking mortgage interest rates by up to 60 basis points on Monday, and the other major banks expected to follow.

    The news late on Friday sparked fresh calls for a Royal Commission from those outraged by lenders’ “greed”, with borrowers still smarting from the big banks’ refusal to pass on the full benefits of the Reserve Bank’s August cash rate cut.

    “My opinion just changed again. We need a banking royal commission,” Nationals MP George Christensen wrote on his Facebook page.

    Labor Senator Katy Gallagher took the opportunity to excoriate Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, accusing him of “running a protection racket for the big banks”.

    But experts say there’s another culprit behind the banks’ move, and he’s holed up at Trump Tower trying to decide who will be his Secretary of State.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/banking/us-election-result-hits-australian-home-buyers-with-mortgage-interest-rates-on-the-rise/news-story/c47b87969d51419e0861068587d076a8

    Elites running the government and what do you get GREED! GREED! and MORE GREED!

    I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 11:03 am

    I’ve been courteous enough to use a range of words

    “”” You require???

    TB, please don’t take yourself seriously “”””

    o_O

  257. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2016 11:10 am

    What? You tell me you “require” a link regarding a piece of logic and you have a problem with my polite reply?

  258. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 11:50 am

    yomm continues to politely refuse to acknowledge his error 🙂

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2016 11:50 am

    The answer is not to repeal 18C, it is to have a Bill of Rights, we shouldn’t be having our inherent human rights advanced or removed at the whim of politicians.

    So providing a new and additional tax benefit to demolish 100 year old houses is bizarre and irresponsible

    tomM, now that’s not the policy or even the tax benefit is it?
    If you halve the CGT at the same time, what does that do?

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 12:17 pm

    What? You tell me you “require” a link regarding a piece of logic and you have a problem with my polite reply?

    If you troll back* you’ll see I was simply using the same adjective as the previous commenter …

    Courteous indeed!

  261. November 29, 2016 12:47 pm

    “yomm continues to politely refuse to acknowledge his error🙂”

    So do you.

    “Remember that next time you see {Murdoch’s] minions rabbiting on about ‘waste and welfare’ They are the countries biggest ‘welfare’ recipients

  262. November 29, 2016 12:50 pm

    Melbourne psych-rock band with understated name and two drummers plans to release five albums next year.

  263. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 1:39 pm

    They are the countries biggest ‘welfare’ recipients

    I AGREE!

    Yet they fleece this country of millions in tax dollars, and it’s just called “good financial planning”

    Considering they have the ear (and other body parts) of those who write the ‘laws’ dictating “good financial planning”, I’ll keep calling it what it really is.

    Welfare for the rich!

  264. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 1:39 pm

    “So do you.”

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehe !

    It seems to happen to him a lot these days. Lots of statements very little or no facts or link to them.

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 1:42 pm

    “Remember that next time you see {Murdoch’s] minions rabbiting on about ‘waste and welfare’ They are the countries biggest ‘welfare’ recipients“

    Indeed they are … and wasteful with it too … $250,000 to fly to Paris to find out how to save money?

    Any good Australian bookkeeper would have been able to tell them … probably for free …

    And $80,000 helicopter rides …

    … the list goes on …

    Unfortunately its not just Murdoch’s minions its ALL politicians – past and present – …

    … but only one lot seems to blame and target the poor, sick, unemployed, uni students, older Aussies and kids!

  266. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 1:42 pm

    “…….Considering they have the ear (and other body parts) of those who write the ‘laws’ dictating “good financial planning”

    ROFLMAO…………………………..Indeed !

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/when-rudd-met-murdoch-subject-menu-was-secret/2007/04/21/1176697161133.html

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/gillard-to-lunch-with-murdoch/story-fn6bqphm-1226016186778

  267. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 1:48 pm

    “$250,000 to fly to Paris to find out how to save money? ………..And $80,000 helicopter rides … ”

    Indeed…….again !

    “…..UPDATE 11.45am: PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd has blamed the states for the size of the 114-strong delegation Australia is taking to the Copenhagen climate summit……….”

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/kevin-rudd-to-be-accompanied-by-up-to-113-officials-and-staff-at-copenhagen-climate-summit/story-e6frf7jo-1225809204186

  268. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 1:55 pm

    I do hope he gives her a good lesson in her own arrogance and total ignorance !

    It’s funny isn’t it. Those who are railing against 18c, who want to remove the words “insult” or “offend”, are quite happy to sue somebody because they have “allegedly” been “smeared”

    You couldn’t make this shit up.

  269. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 1:56 pm

    ROFLMAO…………………………..Indeed !

    I AGREE!

  270. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2016 1:59 pm

    It was great to see toilet boss commenting this morning.

    There should be more of it – because he makes more sense than the lefty zealots

  271. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 2:02 pm

    because he makes more sense than the lefty zealots

    He certainly is a “heritage” commentator 😉

  272. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 4:14 pm

    “Those who are railing against 18c, who want to remove the words “insult” or “offend”, are quite happy to sue somebody……..”

    So when exactly were the laws of defamation formed .

    Clearly you were not aware that common law rights of defamation pre-existed 18c.

    TomR believes no one was sued for defamation prior to the advent of 18c……..

    ………my my how amusing

    ROFLMAO

  273. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 4:27 pm

    “I AGREE!”

    Not actually what I was implying.

    If what you said was actually true Rudd and Gillard could have fixed it .

    If there was something true about your comments then its your Team that blocks basically everything going through the Senate since the LNP was elected.

    Remember you were in coalition with the Greens who are not Murdoch backers.

    Your Team could have fixed any mis-justice in tax laws…………….er if there was one.

  274. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 4:46 pm

    Your Team could have fixed any mis-justice in tax laws

    You mean like the ones hockey immediately rolled back once he was in?

    http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/election-2013-newspapers.html

  275. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2016 4:46 pm

    If there was something true about your comments then its your Team that blocks basically everything going through the Senate since the LNP was elected.

    This tax avoidance issue is just a smokescreen raised by the left to cover up their trashing of the budget. It was not the nice Rudd/Gillard/Swan who trashed the budget. It was the evil multinationals who are not paying their fair share of tax.

  276. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 4:47 pm

    Clearly you were not aware that common law rights of defamation pre-existed 18c.

    Slavery existed before common law rights of defamation.

    Were you trying to prove some kind of point there or what?

  277. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 4:56 pm

    “Slavery existed before common law rights of defamation.”

    Yes……….usual tactic………… lets all wander off down one of TomR’s dark alleys for no real reason at all………………other than his usual reluctance to stick to topic.

  278. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 4:57 pm

    “Were you trying to prove some kind of point there or what?”

    Wow………just like Wow………………..you still dont get it………. ROFLMAO at ya

  279. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 5:02 pm

    “You mean like the ones hockey immediately rolled back once he was in?”

    Thanks for the completely pointless parade of newspaper front pages or as someone once said……….“Were you trying to prove some kind of point there or what?”

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 5:14 pm

    Slavery existed before common law rights of defamation.

    Were you trying to prove some kind of point there or what?

    Its you that don’t get it, wally …

    The point was this …

    Do we also go back to slavery …

    … are you so desperate to slander, insult or defame someone you blame for their race or colour or gender …

    Shall we bring back Debtors Proison… remove the age that a child can go to school …

    Bring back the knighthoods … the Workhouse …

    What about beheadings, drawn and quarterings …

  281. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 5:49 pm

    “Its you that don’t get it, wally …”

    Oh coming from the Bush Lawyer up North.

    Well that’s complete and utter bullshit. We shall await it being tossed out of Court without hearing then

    You cannot go on national TV and accuse someone of being found to be a racist.

    HE WAS CLEARED BY THE COURT.

    WHAT PART OF THAT COMPLETELY ESCAPES YOU ?

    Then again why should I be so surprised. I am dealing with TheBigot of Queensland

    TRANSCRIPT

    Butler :”I notice that when people talk about those QUT students, they never mention the FACT that one of them was alleged to have used the N word – I’m not going to say it – the N word in one of those Facebook posts.”

    Eric Abetz noted Mr Thwaites denied that allegation.

    Sheridan: “He said that was not him. He said that that was not him.”

    Butler: “He would say that, wouldn’t he?”

    Sheridan: “You’re presuming his guilt on national television but there’s no evidence against him.”

    Butler: “I’m saying this is what the allegations were.”

    Sheridan: “That is a racist smear in itself.”

  282. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 6:10 pm

    Sheridan: “He said that was not him. He said that that was not him.”

    Butler: “He would say that, wouldn’t he?”

    For your information the Court said it was not him

    She tried to breath life back into an allegation that the Court had already dismissed

    I hope she enjoyed her 39th birthday LOL

  283. November 29, 2016 6:19 pm

    Nigella Alert!

    8:00pm tonight ABC 1

  284. November 29, 2016 6:36 pm

    blubbers,,,,Your Team could have fixed any mis-justice in tax laws,,,,

    # ,, Exactly! sorry pom-poms but blubbers has`ya by the short`n curlies there, the team frittered away much of their time`n energy trying to make a very, very, very special mines-tax instead of just slamming-shut some of largest and unfairest loop-holes that already were there. The team were too busy trying to appease the rest of zombies including braying-media that they ended-up canibalizing themselves.

  285. November 29, 2016 6:48 pm

    “It was great to see toilet boss commenting this morning.”

    I’m going out on a limb here, I know, but I’m guessing he was pissed.

  286. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 6:49 pm

    You cannot go on national TV and accuse someone of being found to be a racist.
    HE WAS CLEARED BY THE COURT.

    I AGREE!

    You also (should not be allowed) to BE A RACIST and then lie to support your racism.

    Like dolt. Who was found guilty BY THE COURT

    Do you get it?

    8:00pm tonight ABC 1

    I think you meant “herabc” 😉

  287. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2016 6:56 pm

    but I’m guessing he was pissed.

    Or sumfink

  288. November 29, 2016 7:11 pm

    Another tasty dish served up on my abc, the food will be good too!

    ,

    You,,,,also (should not be allowed) to BE A RACIST,,,,

    # ,, ditto, but you should also NOT scream `racist` at folks cleared by the court, which seems to be what the billy-sitch did, which totally fcuks and white-ants their `own` argument #yaay.team they just won`t stop shooting themselves in the head, will they??

    ,

    Do,,,,we also go back to slavery,,,,(#visas/backpackers) ,,,,Shall we bring back Debtors Proison,,,,(#donDale) ,,,,the Workhouse,,,,(#jobactive) ,,,,What about beheadings,,,,(#iraq) ,,,,drawn and quarterings,,,,(#gitmo)

    # ,, rest assured we(and-allies) have plenty of `surrogates` in place already!

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 7:16 pm

    Yet another Union Arsehole exposed……….

    I’ll take notice when you link bank CEO’s …!

    Insurance CEO’s …!

    Financial Management CEO”s …I

    and …

    Corrupt Accountants …!

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 7:19 pm

    Oh coming from the Bush Lawyer up North.

    Well that’s complete and utter bullshit. We shall await it being tossed out of Court without hearing then

    er, … wrong subject …

    You should know by now that I let the courts decide … court cases … not that it stops you being confused …

    And this Bush Lawyer did take on the Commonwealth and … win!

    Your credentials are?

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 7:23 pm

    I’m going out on a limb here, I know, but I’m guessing he was pissed.

  292. November 29, 2016 7:44 pm

    Prediction, the rustbelt-train will arrive in geelong sooner, rather than later. #toot.toot

  293. Mulberry Bushlawyer permalink
    November 29, 2016 8:02 pm

    (As a lay observer, I really wouldn’t know who typed a benign ‘n word’ if it weren’t for young Callum’s defenders(?) repeatedly telling me via broadsheet, broadcast, and otherwise that Thwaites provided a sworn affidavit averring that it wasn’t he who typed the ‘n word’ using his Facebook account, and a court affirming that the ‘n word’ was used, and by someone apparently using a Callum Thwaites Facebook account, but that no evidence was presented by the plaitiff to the contrary of that defendant’s averral in support of a particular procedural motion, which motion succeeded, for summary dismissal, but not summary judgement, and severance of a party to a case, which case perplexingly has both been thrown out, according to the popular press, and remains ongoing in relation to other defendants, according to listed hearings at the Federal Circuit Court, and where the fact-not-in-dispute of the use of the ‘n word’, by somebody, remains apparent in the appendix to the decision of the QUT Stalker Page conversation , a factoid upon which all relevant parties ostensibly rely. Or, something gleanish like that.)

  294. November 29, 2016 8:09 pm

    Nigella: “My dates are hot and they are very sticky”

    😯

  295. November 29, 2016 8:38 pm

    “In the summer of 1973, I experienced life under Castro when I went on an extended trip to the island organized by the pro-Castro Center for Cuban Studies. Traveling around the country, I observed close-up what it was like to live in the Communist state and I didn’t like what I saw. Afterwards, I wrote about it for the left-wing magazine Liberation, which consequently was bombarded with angry letters calling me a traitor to the Left. Later, I included the experience in my memoir describing how it contributed to my political transformation.”

  296. November 29, 2016 8:52 pm

    (There is probably little doubt that less-than-bright wannabe ku-klux-teabags flock to fakebook to setup `stalker` pages, where plod is the best stalker, and spout a-words to z-words, and display to the world they are fools. Does that mean we should have billy-sitches from government displaying the same level of stupid on national TV?)

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2016 8:57 pm

    Nigella: “My dates are hot and they are very sticky”

    Dates? Is that a double entendre … 😉

    (That’ll confuse wally … ToSY is already confused … and high … it seems …

  298. November 29, 2016 9:04 pm

    “ToSY is already confused … and high … it seems …”

    Eff You say so. 🙄

  299. November 29, 2016 9:21 pm

    One for Queensland internet sobriety detectors.

  300. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 10:20 pm

    “Your credentials are?”

    I must admit I have lost count over the years

    Against the ATO and others like state gov it was carried in our clients favour 8 times in general appeals against assessments around 40 over around 11 years

    How many times did you win again ?

    You were the one that asked LOL

  301. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 10:24 pm

    “Do you get it?”

    Of course I do

    The entire argument about 18c has something to do with the era of slavery

    But nothing to do with defamation in 2016.

    It’s quite obvious😣

  302. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2016 10:40 pm

    But I have lost 25

    How many have you won again ?

    😀

  303. November 30, 2016 12:51 am

    “I’m going out on a limb here, I know, but I’m guessing he was pissed.”

    How reflexively dismissive of you.

  304. November 30, 2016 1:04 am

    Perhaps he was just working antisocial hours?

    Perhaps he should just keep his opinions to himself, lest they be neutered by (incorrect) insinuations.

    Perhaps he is a very busy human.

    Admittedly, perhaps he hasn’t been around much for a very long time…but whence was snacty last active? And if snacty typed nonsense, would that mean he was intoxicated?

    Perhaps he thinks the political landscape is rather intriguing, contemporarily; but fist pumping from conservatives seems premature & misplaced.

    Perhaps he was incredibly wrong about the level of rancour in the USA’s electorate & the ability of snake-oil sloganeers to penetrate the moderation bubble.

    Who knows.

  305. November 30, 2016 1:07 am

    Having said that, I think that the last time I posted (before yesterday, for the literalists) was prior to the Australian Federal Circus…and I was probably sozzled then.

    I have curtailed myself.

    Thankyou, YomM, for your warm reception.

  306. November 30, 2016 1:11 am

    Hands up, who wants Australian politics to be more like North American (not Canada, obviously, Bolt told me they have a Castro-loving violent leftard in charge) politics?

    * fuck that

    Hands up, who’s backing Bernardi’s wet-dream-party financially, or imperatively?

    ** guffaw…

  307. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2016 2:30 am

    😆

    Missed you toiletboss

    yes, something has got the zombies all stirred up, I can smell their stench fouling the air.

    Hoping you and your family are well and fine, your daughter must be an unstoppable force by now! Don’t be too much of a stranger!
    [just off to bed myself]

  308. November 30, 2016 6:16 am

    Welcome back dunnySoiledByHerTurnMythAndFrightenedIntoSavingTheSwamp

    the,,,,political landscape is rather intriguing,,,,

    # ,, l loved loved every moment and couldn`t look away. The `script` was brilliant. The `star`s performance was magnificent, as co-star after co-star and braying-media went down in a screaming heap.

    but,,,,fist pumping from conservatives seems premature,,,,

    # ,, oh yeah, that particular `bubble` just may burst and is too far away for visionless teabags to be able to foresee, tho will be great fun too.

  309. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2016 7:12 am

    “But nothing to do with defamation in 2016.”

    Weren’t you the one bragging about how ‘righter’ defamation was because it was around before 18c?

    Ya stoopids burning wally

    And good to hear from you again toilb. I heard about a horrific crash your way recently that killed 4 young guys on their way to work and wondered about you then. Something like that can demoralize a small community so I hope all is well with you and yours

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2016 8:34 am

    Hi HD, I always enjoy your sharp comments.

    Don’t be a stranger!

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2016 8:42 am

    In typical fashion The Age reports a backdown by Xenephon over the ABCC.

    Whereas it seems he got exactly what he wanted – a government procurement code rhat favours Australian industry

    Thw Age really is a rag

  312. Walrus permalink
    November 30, 2016 9:53 am

    How hilarious !

    The CFMEU successfully gets its own members sacked

    “Anglo American has started sacking workers at the German Creek coal mine in Queensland after the Fair Work Commission endorsed a redundancy campaign that has been made possible by a strike by CFMEU members that began more than 100 days ago.”

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/mining/coal/anglo-american-freed-to-sack-german-creek-strikers-20161129-gt026y#ixzz4RRQId8GP
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

  313. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2016 10:05 am

    Whereas it seems he got exactly what he wanted

    So, he has 450GL for SA does he?

    Sacked or redundant wally? Make yer mind up

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2016 12:06 pm

    Against the ATO and others like state gov it was carried in our clients favour 8 times in general appeals against assessments around 40 over around 11 years

    I don’t think you really want a tit for tat … cases involving WH&S, Business – including the ATO 3/3 wins, copyright and business and personal contracts (APIA you may remember) … (quals in OHS, contract and business law) … and that’s fronted the cases … not engaged a lawyer.

    And I didn’t “start” it you did … Oh coming from the Bush Lawyer up North.

    You really are a wally – wally …

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2016 12:10 pm

    HEY! toylet of the Buffalo Lodge! Noice ta read ya again, bro!

    Still spot on! 😀

  316. November 30, 2016 12:56 pm

    “How reflexively dismissive of you.”

    Remember the days when people around here would have humorous digs at one other?

    Me neither.

  317. November 30, 2016 1:48 pm

    “”Remember the days when people around here would have humorous digs at one other?””

    Yeah, but then they got all precious and demanded apologies about being called catlicks etc…

  318. November 30, 2016 1:59 pm

    Yeah, that might have been the turning point. But I will take issue with one point: calling the bigot in question a bigot is not quite the same as demanding an apology.

    But, whatever.

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2016 3:06 pm

    I’d like an apology and a retraction… and … where’s Kamahl?
    —–
    Brisbane is such a hole.

  320. Walrus permalink
    November 30, 2016 3:48 pm

    “I don’t think you really want a tit for tat … and that’s fronted the cases … not engaged a lawyer.”

    Always happy to…….just need to get stuff out of storage to count them all.

    And yes plenty of those instances without a lawyer. And I just realised I have not counted the number in front of Commissioners.

  321. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2016 4:24 pm

    I’d like an apology and a retraction

    I’d settle for a link 😉

  322. November 30, 2016 4:59 pm

    I’d settle for a poem.

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2016 5:17 pm

    Really, wally? WGAFF!

    ++++++++++++++++

    I’d settle for a wall across the border

    ++++++++++++++++

    I blame Trump …

  324. Walrus permalink
    November 30, 2016 5:37 pm

    “Really, wally? WGAFF!”

    Apparently you do……………you started the ball rolling

    Oh yes………….how conveniently you forget.

    Comes with the age I suspect

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2016 7:37 pm

    Apparently you do……………you started the ball rolling

    er, no … you did! Can’t you remember? You seem to be making up more and more shit each day …

    Oh coming from the Bush Lawyer up North. That’s how this began, wally, and you just keep escalating …

    Comes with the age I suspect

    Age is a number … as far as I know out of anyone’s control …

    … stupidity isn’t, as you prove constantly …

    … try arguing the issues and not the person and you may gain some respect …

    … your comments consistently demonstrate a low self esteem, typical of most bullies, misogynists, racists, sexists and obviously ageists …

    In your case, you don’t conveniently forget … you just forget … and then make shit up …

  326. Walrus permalink
    December 1, 2016 9:14 am

    “er, no … you did!”

    Er no…who asked this…….?

    “Your credentials are?”

    “… your comments consistently demonstrate a low self esteem”

    Yeah whatever…………….thanks Bush Psychologist

    As is your usual MO you deny what is quite easily proven as emerging from your pathetic excuse for grey matter.

  327. December 1, 2016 9:17 am

    Prime Minister Attacks “Rich White Kids From Europe” Picking Australia’s Fruit..

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/its-always-ze-germans?utm_term=.cfgeznXM3#.du676geOa

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2016 1:02 pm

    Re: Rich White Kids … The Prime Meddler really is as thick as a brick … fiddling again as the nation burns …

    The backpackers are backpackers for a good reason … and its not ’cause they’re rich and necessarily white … I’d be very surprised if every dollar they earn isn’t spent HERE!

    TurnAbbott is becoming more like AbbotTurn each day …

    The country will return to some normalcy next week anyway … Parliament closes down till early February next year …

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