Minister tells Barnaby Joyce to “fuck off”

So…who wouldn’t tell Barnaby to F*** OFF!!

Apparently Trump is considering Romney as Secretary of State.

While Romney is just a Republican dolt, he’s at least mainstream politically and won’t lurch into an unexpected crisis the way a Trump clone would

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-22/noel-pearson-attacks-racist-abc/8044712

Mr Pearson accused the national broadcaster of needing Indigenous Australians to remain alienated and incarcerated, and leading short lives of grief, so it could report on misery and bleeding tragedy.

Pearson has a point even if he is a little conflicted

Enlightening isn’t it.

Not exactly the word I would have chosen reb.

I was thinking more along the lines of bemusement and despondency.

I mean, with yabot, we elected our trump years ago. The only difference is his toupée is a tad lower

The rest of us are just normal people.

us?

Sorry tosy, but especially of late, you really are coming across as more of a ‘them’ 😉

“I am much more terrified of being attacked by white Anglo Saxons on ice, than I am of being attacked by a terrorist.”

Yeah…………….whatever !

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31468970/woman-shot-in-bankstown-was-innocent-bystander-police-confirm-as-hunt-for-gunman-continues/#page1

(# ,, save-the-swampers are in denial and still in their echo chamber. The trump-train that hit them was driven by the working-poor, working-class, under-employed, poor, and their friends and familys, yeah sure, the gun-nuts, ku-klux-teabags, dog-fanatics and usual assorted repugs hitched a ride too, but they were never going to go democat were they.

Yes and/or no.)

Walrus:
Reading the story you linked to it appears to be a gangland drug shooting and not a terrorist shooting. How many people were robbed or attacked ( including doctors and nurses) by white people on ice on the same day that go unreported because it is such a common occurrence and not news worthy anymore. Ice is epidemic in country towns but I am yet to find a terrorist in a country town although I know many who are on ice and violent and robbing and bashing the elderly. Even those I do work for have them in their families. One is up on so many charges of theft and assault it amazes me how she is still on the streets. Yet not one o her thefts or assaults are reported in the media. Perspective is needed. It is like shark attacks, how many attacks from sharks compared to attacks from drug addicts, yet the media is hysterical when there is a shark attack.

“Reading the story you linked to it appears to be a gangland drug shooting and not a terrorist shooting.”

OK here ya go then

… I came up with a blank …

Word for word then 😉

..”…..“cryptic” seems to be catching!…..”

It’s quite usual for something to be cryptic to those of the least intelligence

DTS Teabag: I blame the candidate, you know, be responsible for your own actions and words and deeds. The braying media is not an excuse to tell lies. the first thing I was taught when I joined my previous bank employer was that there are no degrees of honesty. Now Rudy Guiliani, one of Trumps biggest supporters is now telling people that it is standard for politicians in the USA to lie to get elected. No wonder I detest most of them with a passion. the only truly honest politician I have ever met was Peter Andren may he RIP. It just seems the lies are getting bigger and with more of them at a time.

Did someone say something about Women being tired of of Men sexualising them all the time

and just come across looking like complete tools.

I read the same about those who revert to calling others trolls.

#justsayin

Also applies to grubmints who go after pensioners and leave political parties alone.

This is interesting. I doubt Wicks does his blog in his own time

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/michael-danby-staffer-exposed-as-proshorten-blogger/news-story/475b2577395e4d95fcabeee33585830a

A blogger who claims to run an independent website “blowing the whistle on anything that blows” has been revealed as a taxpayer-funded staffer on Bill Shorten’s team, working for federal Labor MP Michael Danby.

Peter Wicks works in Mr Danby’s Melbourne office, earning a salary of between $50,000 and $120,000…….The Australian sought comment from Mr Wicks about his dual roles as a blogger and political staffer, and whether he was receiving assistance with his blog. A fellow staffer in Mr Danby’s Melbourne office said Mr Wicks was in a meeting and not available, possibly for hours. Mr Wicks did not return later calls.

This government is a do nothing, rambling, knee jerk, ignorant, incompetent rabble

No govt has the solution to the negative gearing issue. Apparently you need to get 5% capital growth on the value of the property otherwise you end up losing money.

Around the world other governments have a solution … no property ownership tax welfare …

And you think the ALP would do that? Actually in the USA the interest payments on your own home are tax deductible.

“… investors simply want to make money and if they don’t they get a handout! ”

Or they put the rent up. Which will gradually happen if NG is kicked out the window. That’s how asset prices work. Their value uis determined by their yield,. So if the yield falls the value of the property will also fall unless the rents go up.

That’s how bonds work, that’s how equities work, that’s how commercial property works.

Its the laws of Finance 101 that you are playing around with. It wont happen overnight but rents will escalate over the medium term of 2 to 3 years.

In order for any asset to keep its value it must have an acceptable yield.

“…… a tax rebate…..”

Interesting you don’t know the difference between a tax deduction and a rebate.

I suggest you keep commentating. I like comedy

By the way. Check the proportion of income paid in rent in comparable overseas citie to that backwater of Brisbane and other cities like Sydney and Melbourne.

Overseas it’s much higher

NG whether you like it or not acts as a yield enhancer for investors.

Fiddle with it then there will be checks and balances in the asset value model

You might not like that but Finance 101 does not give a flying fuck about your version of valuation models

The ALP negative gearing policy supports demolition of heritage houses as a tax break.

That’s nice

it has a massive revenue issue

Don’t agree. All the govt has to do is cut spending by 10% and the problem is solved. The budget would be back in surplus and we would not need to borrow any more money from foreigners. Costello ran surplus budgets because he spent less than he received.

Subsidising investors is BS …

I think you can do something similar with shares. But NG may not be as great as people think. If interest rates go back up to normal levels i think people will lose money.

Given that there are no industrial sites in my suburb (for example), the only was to have a tax effective residential investment (under the ALP policy) will be to demolish an existing property and build a new one.

The ALP negative gearing policy encourages the demolition of existing housing in suburbs with heritage housing.

Is that clear enough?

Are you serious? You think my comment relates to legal protection of heritage buildings?

There are slabs of mature suburbs with delightful houses between 70 and 100 years old and the ALP’s policy encourages their demolition

Saw this at the bottom of the graudian article you linked to ao

The ‘latte libel’ is a brilliant strategy. The left cannot counter it with facts alone

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/28/the-latte-libel-is-a-brilliant-strategy-the-left-cannot-counter-it-with-facts-alone

Especially in a post-truth world.

Here is how it’s done. First, the latte libel narrowly redefines the category of working Americans (class) into white people living outside the big cosmopolitan cities – the victims. It then confects a new category, the latte-sipping ruling Democratic elite containing the plurality of categories of progressive identity politics including, notably in an election like this, women. It might also include the equivalent of the ABC in Australia, i.e. somewhat moderate journalists, and, of course, Guardian readers. Meanwhile, in this fictitious narrative, the actual Republicans escape any responsibility for their actions. They are the narrators posing as the champions of the working people, lambasting this many-headed “elite” for its indifference to the hardships of the same neoliberalism that Republicans themselves have championed.

run for your lives and your sanity!

not until after midday at least 😉

barney isn’t looking to hot right now lol

That’s right Tom R…. provide a tax incentive to demolish every hose like this!

Because that’s progress (according to someone who obviously lacks taste) .

https://b.domainstatic.com.au/w800-h532-2007746672_6_pi_150224_122053

Our friend Lee Rhiannon is sad to see Castro go

“…………over to cuba where their complaints were investigated, diagnosed and given treatment medications for no cost, there was an additional, welcoming, humanity from the medical staff?”

Yeah I remember…………………but do you really think the Cuban government had no idea they were visiting…………….you seriously don’t think they’d use it as a propaganda tool ?

Wow…………..!

“Vale Fidel Castro, extraordinary 20th century figure, survived 50 year embargo & 638 CIA attempts on life using ex-lovers & Mafia gangsters.”

Senator Kim Carr

Yeah…..he survived because he was a dictator you fuckwit and dictators tend to not bother with elections or just have “showpiece elections”.

What a fuckwit !

Yeah I remember…………………but butt butt ………… lol

Has turnbull been told what to say about Castro yet, or is his silence still golden.

I love the way the libs are about to ‘tweak’ his front bench.

Why is a Labor party in ‘crisis’ whenever their is front bench movement, but the libs are simply ‘refreshing’?

Also just CatchingUp, but it appears that brandis has thrown hockey under a bus?

I recall how when certain adversely affected peoples in England who disparaged thatcher after her death were belittled here by some who now seem to think that disparaging Castro after his death is quite OK

I’m not sure if ‘hypocritical’ is the correct word?

It’s about white male supremacy.

http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/in-which-pond-dallies-with-54-year-old.html#.WDunEOZ_eUk

So if you buy an investment house like the one in the photo, the ALP won’t give you a tax break, but if you drive a bulldozer through it and build a McMansion… You’ll get the tax break.

Yep, and Tom R vociferously supports that policy!! And AO too!

ALP policy
This good, and therefore can be negatively geared-
http://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/thumbnails/image/800px-Mcmansion_under_construction_1_4_1.jpg?itok=f-mmargE
This can’t be negatively geared, so it should be demolished by an investor –

“I recall how when certain adversely affected peoples in England who disparaged thatcher after her death were belittled here………”

So you’d cheer the death of Thatcher because you reckon her policies were the equivalent of Hitler , Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot and Castro

Now that an interesting case of equivalence

but if you drive a bulldozer through it and build a McMansion… You’ll get the tax break.

You mean like you currently do?

I wrote to our local council to register my objection when the demolition of Gough Whitlam’s childhood home was approved.

Poor widdle yomm was ignored. Perhaps you should have highlighted its heritage value instead of whining?

At the time, Boroondara Council said it had been unaware of the home’s history and had granted a demolition order.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-13/gough-whitlam-childhood-home-demolished-in-melbourne/7413298

Poor yomm, battling an uphill battle against Progress. People MUST live in his idealised standard of housing.

btw

Could you link for us the section in the ALP policy where it declares circumventing heritage listing orders?

Cheers

“LINK you illiterate dimwit!”

You are the fuckwit who started the equivalence argument

You are the fuckwit who started the equivalence argument

Ye, but yor the fuckwit ™ who claimed that I’d “cheer the death of Thatcher”

But the only way (under ALP policy) to invest in a house in

the “only” way?

You do understand that not everyone who invests in houses now access negative gearing, don’t you?

When I make a comment is it necessary to repeat everything I’ve already said?

The point is that a residential investor looking at an established suburb has the choice of a period home without negative gearing, or bulldozing it and building another house and gaining the tax benefit.

That’s the policy you support, a tax benefit for bulldozing houses!

I have no idea what you’re on about.

heritage

noun
1. something that is handed down from the past, as a tradition:
a national heritage of honor, pride, and courage.
2. something that comes or belongs to one by reason of birth; an inherited lot or portion:
a heritage of poverty and suffering.
3. something reserved for one:
the heritage of the righteous.
4. Law.
1. something that has been or may be inherited by legal descent or succession.
2. any property, especially land, that devolves by right of inheritance.
adjective
5. noting or relating to a product, place, etc., that evokes a nostalgic sense of tradition or history:
visitors to a heritage site in the Middle East.
6. noting or relating to an older, traditional breed of animal or plant:
raising pure-breed heritage hogs.

“I recall how when certain adversely affected peoples in England who disparaged thatcher after her death were belittled here by some who now seem to think that disparaging Castro after his death is quite OK”

“belittled” implies empathy for there point of view

You probably need to look that up

empathy
ˈɛmpəθi/
noun
noun: empathy

the ability to understand and SHARE the feelings of another.

“I see (above) that the personal attacks are firing up again”

Yes indeed

“LINK you illiterate dimwit!” – TomR

And I note, just like yomm, you are unable to back up your baseless attacks with any … evidence 😉

This is the society that the ALP/Greens want for us.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/27/venezuelas-currency-is-so-devalued-it-no-longer-fits-in-ordinary-wallets/

CARACAS, Venezuela — It’s not so easy to find someone who still uses a wallet in Venezuela, where inflation is expected to reach 720 percent this year and the biggest bill — 100 bolivars — is worth about 5 U.S. cents on the black market.,,,,,

Your own comments are the evidence

So, me saying that other people have celebrated someones death is the same as me celebrating someones death.

wallly, you are post-sense. You truly are an “illiterate dimwit”

You should actually take that as constructive criticism, not belittlement 😉

So, I take it there is no link then?

I can see why he doesn’t, wally tried and just proved my later assertion

ROFL-COPTER

You require???

TB, please don’t take yourself seriously

Wrong? You’re just too much of an ALP zealot to comprehend the adverse effects of any of their policies.

If there is a tax benefit for redevelopment and not one for established houses the money migrates to redevelopment.

Surely even you can understand that.

The ALP negative gearing policy encourages the demolition of existing housing in suburbs with heritage housing.
Is that clear enough?

Only if you can supply the part of the policy that says people can buy and destroy heritage housing in order to gain the tax advantage.

Until then, that’s just a plain lie defending a current policy of grafting tax payer dollars to wealthy investors at the expense of first home buyers.

If there is a tax benefit for redevelopment and not one for established houses the money migrates to redevelopment.
Surely even you can understand that.

That is pretty easy to understand. It is also an empty and vacuous defense. How many of those houses you post are heritage listed? You have no idea, do you.

Perhaps stop bringing up Heritage in yor “argument” or posting pictures of houses that are in all likelihood heritage listed themselves and we can focus on the fact that Labors policy focusses on the biggest gouger of tax payer dollars as first step in removing this welfare for the rich scheme

Ha Ha Ha !

“A stoush between a Queensland law student and Labor frontbencher Terri Butler over claims of a “racist smear” is bound for court after he bluntly rejected her apology as a “sham” …………”

Good on him.

I do hope he gives her a good lesson in her own arrogance and total ignorance !

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/see-you-in-court-student-rejects-labor-mp-terri-butlers-apology-and-vows-to-continue-lawsuit-20161128-gszarg.html

Yet another Union Arsehole exposed……….

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/australia-post-manager-on-suicide-watch-over-alleged-jim-metcher-abuse-20161128-gsz1h7

What? You tell me you “require” a link regarding a piece of logic and you have a problem with my polite reply?

They are the countries biggest ‘welfare’ recipients

I AGREE!

Yet they fleece this country of millions in tax dollars, and it’s just called “good financial planning”

Considering they have the ear (and other body parts) of those who write the ‘laws’ dictating “good financial planning”, I’ll keep calling it what it really is.

Welfare for the rich!

“$250,000 to fly to Paris to find out how to save money? ………..And $80,000 helicopter rides … ”

Indeed…….again !

“…..UPDATE 11.45am: PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd has blamed the states for the size of the 114-strong delegation Australia is taking to the Copenhagen climate summit……….”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/kevin-rudd-to-be-accompanied-by-up-to-113-officials-and-staff-at-copenhagen-climate-summit/story-e6frf7jo-1225809204186

ROFLMAO…………………………..Indeed !

I AGREE!

because he makes more sense than the lefty zealots

He certainly is a “heritage” commentator 😉

“I AGREE!”

Not actually what I was implying.

If what you said was actually true Rudd and Gillard could have fixed it .

If there was something true about your comments then its your Team that blocks basically everything going through the Senate since the LNP was elected.

Remember you were in coalition with the Greens who are not Murdoch backers.

Your Team could have fixed any mis-justice in tax laws…………….er if there was one.

If there was something true about your comments then its your Team that blocks basically everything going through the Senate since the LNP was elected.

This tax avoidance issue is just a smokescreen raised by the left to cover up their trashing of the budget. It was not the nice Rudd/Gillard/Swan who trashed the budget. It was the evil multinationals who are not paying their fair share of tax.

“Slavery existed before common law rights of defamation.”

Yes……….usual tactic………… lets all wander off down one of TomR’s dark alleys for no real reason at all………………other than his usual reluctance to stick to topic.

“You mean like the ones hockey immediately rolled back once he was in?”

Thanks for the completely pointless parade of newspaper front pages or as someone once said……….“Were you trying to prove some kind of point there or what?”

“Its you that don’t get it, wally …”

Oh coming from the Bush Lawyer up North.

Well that’s complete and utter bullshit. We shall await it being tossed out of Court without hearing then

You cannot go on national TV and accuse someone of being found to be a racist.

HE WAS CLEARED BY THE COURT.

WHAT PART OF THAT COMPLETELY ESCAPES YOU ?

Then again why should I be so surprised. I am dealing with TheBigot of Queensland

TRANSCRIPT

Butler :”I notice that when people talk about those QUT students, they never mention the FACT that one of them was alleged to have used the N word – I’m not going to say it – the N word in one of those Facebook posts.”

Eric Abetz noted Mr Thwaites denied that allegation.

Sheridan: “He said that was not him. He said that that was not him.”

Butler: “He would say that, wouldn’t he?”

Sheridan: “You’re presuming his guilt on national television but there’s no evidence against him.”

Butler: “I’m saying this is what the allegations were.”

Sheridan: “That is a racist smear in itself.”

but I’m guessing he was pissed.

Or sumfink

(As a lay observer, I really wouldn’t know who typed a benign ‘n word’ if it weren’t for young Callum’s defenders(?) repeatedly telling me via broadsheet, broadcast, and otherwise that Thwaites provided a sworn affidavit averring that it wasn’t he who typed the ‘n word’ using his Facebook account, and a court affirming that the ‘n word’ was used, and by someone apparently using a Callum Thwaites Facebook account, but that no evidence was presented by the plaitiff to the contrary of that defendant’s averral in support of a particular procedural motion, which motion succeeded, for summary dismissal, but not summary judgement, and severance of a party to a case, which case perplexingly has both been thrown out, according to the popular press, and remains ongoing in relation to other defendants, according to listed hearings at the Federal Circuit Court, and where the fact-not-in-dispute of the use of the ‘n word’, by somebody, remains apparent in the appendix to the decision of the QUT Stalker Page conversation , a factoid upon which all relevant parties ostensibly rely. Or, something gleanish like that.)

“Do you get it?”

Of course I do

The entire argument about 18c has something to do with the era of slavery

But nothing to do with defamation in 2016.

It’s quite obvious😣

“But nothing to do with defamation in 2016.”

Weren’t you the one bragging about how ‘righter’ defamation was because it was around before 18c?

Ya stoopids burning wally

And good to hear from you again toilb. I heard about a horrific crash your way recently that killed 4 young guys on their way to work and wondered about you then. Something like that can demoralize a small community so I hope all is well with you and yours

In typical fashion The Age reports a backdown by Xenephon over the ABCC.

Whereas it seems he got exactly what he wanted – a government procurement code rhat favours Australian industry

Thw Age really is a rag

Whereas it seems he got exactly what he wanted

So, he has 450GL for SA does he?

Sacked or redundant wally? Make yer mind up

I’d like an apology and a retraction… and … where’s Kamahl?
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Brisbane is such a hole.

I’d like an apology and a retraction

I’d settle for a link 😉