Turnbull Govt hits 2017 in Success Mode!
The Turnbull Government has entered 2017 much as it left 2016.
In tatters.
Only this time it has ramped up its tendency to create self-inflicted disaster with renewed vigour.
Many of us, myself included, are only just returning to work after a couple of weeks away from all the mayhem to find that not just a handful of people had been affected by the Centrelink extortion racket but in fact many thousands of elderly pensioners have been sent letters of demand requesting payments of ostensibly ‘misappropriated funds’ amounting to thousands of dollars.
One colleague I spoke to today said his mother had received one such letter, and when she called Centrelink to enquire, was threatened that if she didn’t pay it they would look through her history to find more monies owing.
As one former Turnbull adviser said, if Centrelink was a private company, it would be shut down for fraud.
On the back of Census debacle, this is one catastrophe the LNP Government cannot afford. Particularly when you consider retirees traditionally make up the Government’s support base.
The inimitable Sussan Ley, property investor extraordinaire and occasional Health Minister, has also declared that she will return some of the costs associated with her trip to the Gold Coast to make a spur-of-the-moment purchase in an investment property while apparently visiting a family to talk about their medicine.
Nevertheless, she insists that she’s done nothing wrong, and despite standing down while a so-called “independent” investigation into her other expenses takes place (conducted by the Govt no less, how’s that for independence), maintains that she’ll back in the job soon, doing what she does best. Investing in real estate.
A handful of cabcharge vouchers cost Peter Slipper his job. So it’s difficult to see how Ley can survive this little foray.
All this, and we’ve barely entered week two of the new year.
Meanwhile Malcolm Turnbull is nowhere to be seen.
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Yes Reb isn’t it funny that pensioners and unemployed are rorting the system, yet when it is an MP rorting the system, it is called entitlement. No matter how vague the wording of government business these so called peoples representatives know in their hearts what is and isn’t valid expenses, yet their own conscience seems to fail them each and every time they lodge these bogus claims. A pox on all of the them and as for the rules they should be made black and white.
“isn’t it funny that pensioners and unemployed are rorting the system, yet when it is an MP rorting the system, it is called entitlement.”
Isn’t it just.
IT’S A DISGRACE!
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https://newmatilda.com/2017/01/06/the-turnbull-governments-centrelink-robo-debt-debacle-continues-to-grow/
Set the debt collectors on her … NOW!
If the government did run the country like a business … Sussan Ley would be out on her arse for stealing and the police called .
Expert comment here …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/09/bronwyn-bishop-blames-socialists-for-criticising-sussan-ley-over-expenses
LOL!!!!!!!!
Those fkn socialists BOO! LOL!
😆 These scoundrels and wasters inhabit a place where no-one tells them of their own stupidity, they have no idea they are hated for their squandering of taxpayers money. When they become pollies, they hit the jackpot bigtime in this country, they [and their family] never again put their hand in their own pocket for a thing.
Bronwyn Bishop blames ‘socialists’ for criticising Sussan Ley over expenses
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/09/bronwyn-bishop-blames-socialists-for-criticising-sussan-ley-over-expenses
…Bishop, who exited politics after an expenses scandal for chartering a helicopter from Melbourne to Geelong to attend a Liberal party fundraiser, told Sky News on Monday that Ley was being attacked by “people behaving like a pack of dogs”.
Bishop said when she resigned in 2015 as Speaker of the lower house she had so because Tony Abbott had asked her to, and said her staff had arranged her travel.
“I can only imagine that Sussan Ley’s travel was done in exactly the same way, but I have no personal knowledge of that,” she said. “But I do know that there are socialists out there who want to attack free enterprise and anyone who sticks up for it.
“And I know that socialists, like alcoholics, will blame anyone but themselves. And whereas alcoholics can damage their own family, socialists can destroy the whole country.”…
Alcoholics damage the whole country too, the total costs to society of alcohol-related problems in 2010 was estimated to be $14.352b.
Clueless, entitlement mentality from someone who actually was in a position to know better.
snap TB!
Clueless, entitlement mentality from someone who actually was in a position to know better.
I’m afraid I beg to differ, KL, after reading BB’s claptrap … obviously didn’t learn a fkn thing … “because Tony Abbott asked her too” …
Bishop is the ultimate hypocrite … blame “socialists” because they blame anyone but themselves … er isn’t she blaming socialists for what Ley and indeed she did to tax payers … stealing?
We really do need a Federal ICAC and soon!
Bishop is the ultimate hypocrite … blame “socialists” because they blame anyone but themselves …
It’s the US teabag style of politicking that the lib/nats and their corporate buddies have imported from the US. They forget it’s a completely different culture here, most of us aren’t extreme capitalists.
We really do need a Federal ICAC and soon!
Yes, time Shorten got a backbone and put it on labor’s agenda. Trouble is, our politicians are so corrupted by their entrenched system of brown paper bags full of money, none of them have clean hands.
If we stole from our employers, we’d be referred to police and gaoled, why should they steal and be able to pay it back or quietly resign?
It’s the entire reason ‘the rules’ are deliberately vague, to ensure they are never caught by them [unless you’re peter slipper and the LNP are out to get you]
Centrelink staff do what the government tells them … all my contacts with Centrelink staff have been positive … especially the Financial Information Service (FIS) consultant/advisors … brilliant … recommended – free to ANYONE …
While the advert is really clever it should have aimed at the LIBERAL GOVERNMENT who have orchestrated the attacks on the vulnerable in our society when ever they come to power …
One good thing … most of them vote!
Sussan Ley replaced by dodgy arthur sinodinos 😱 – because we’ve all totally forgotten about his [almost $20 mil] AWH corruption by now! 😂
“…Damn it feels good to be back…”
For the times they are returning!
Keep pushing and someone will eventually fall over!
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The 5th last paragraph says it all. No longer is business prepared to invest in employees training or job progression. They would rather fob it all off to the tax payer while reaping the benefits of experienced staff. My how things have changed since I was first employed. Once again the greed of business ( remembering I have my own small business) continues to astound me, screeching for lower taxes all the time while contributing less and less to our society and its citizens.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/auditorgeneral-to-examine-2m-grant-to-former-senator-bob-day-20170109-gto99o.html
Bronwyn Bishop blames the socialists, honestly, does the woman even understand the meaning of the word. She is one of the biggest socialists in the country. Her wages for her whole life were paid by tax payers. Her benefits and living expenses paid by the taxes of others and now her disgraceful pension for life is also paid for by tax payers. She squandered and spent tax payers money at every opportunity. She is a massive socialist of monumental proportions and the wrong type of socialist at that, almost a communist for her own income.
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Amongst many politicians and public servants there is no sense of “custodianship” around taxpayer funds. They look at that cascading tap of TP funds as never ending.
There must be thousands of areas of waste within the PS. I could probably shave at least 40% off their mobile bills alone given the chance.
But does anyone in the PS bother ? No they just renew the contact over lunch I expect every year department by department.
I used to be the finance director for a reasonably large listed mining company and I was fanatical about getting a good deal for shareholders when it came to expenses. I’d actually feel personally affronted if I got a whiff that someone was getting a much better deal than I.
Its tough getting the cheapest but you should always try. And if you need to lie to the pricks then do so. And dont be afraid to have a colleague with you to play good cop bad cop
I dont mind declaring “war” on supplier/service provider. They aint my friends and I had no desire to be invited to corporate boxes in my own time. I couldn’t think of anything more boring than hanging around a group of individuals who only wanted to have you there because you were worth $X of their sales budget.
Shit, wally, you sound almost human … 🙂
“Shit, wally, you sound almost human ”
Now that’s going a bit too far 🙂
“”Shit, wally, you sound almost human …””
I was thinking someone must’ve hacked his account.
“I was thinking someone must’ve hacked his account.”
Nah…………you don’t make many friends in the Finance area of a mining company. You gotta be happy to be feared and loathed simultaneously. Marketing and PR are the main enemy followed by HR (why the fuck do we need a glorified Payroll Dept ?) then the engineering areas and the geologists.
The blokes/gals who get their hands dirty are just happy that you still allow a monthly piss up and sausage sizzle ( doubt you’d be allowed to do that now on premises given Work Safety stuff now)at the Company’s expense whilst you rain down hell on those with credit cards.
There were no romps in any Red Turbo Spa Room under my reign 🙂
The only ones that like you are the owners/shareholders and they just think you are a fucking boring shit so you find polite conversation a bit hard to come by.
… followed by HR (why the fuck do we need a glorified Payroll Dept ?)
LOL! Didn’t get on site much as a “Director” then?
The only ones that like you are the owners/shareholders and they just think you are a fucking boring shit so you find polite conversation a bit hard to come by.
If this is the beginning of your NY resolution I’m impressed … the truth is out there …
Most mining execs I met eg BHPB Australian President and quite a few HR and H&S Senior Managers were very interesting people … especially their backgrounds …
“they just think you are a fucking boring shit.”
An extract from “Confessions of an Angry Accountant” by IATW. Available at all mediocre bookshops…
“Didn’t get on site much as a “Director” then…”
Plenty of times. Quite a few robust discussions were held when I was on site as the CEO had directed me off the record (he didn’t want to be seen as orchestrating it as this was a case of he being good cop and me being arsehole cop) to go in very hard.
In fact some idiot geologist (name escapes me) spent 6 months on company expense looking at mining prospects in FNQ. When I enquired WTF was he doing ( after being 2 months in the job) he claimed valuable research.
Then I insisted we visit where he was and all he could come up with was an exercise in absolute unrestrained fucking stupidity to alluvial mine with massive dredges the Gilbert River in FNQ.
I shut him down as soon as I got back to Sydney
Then he wandered off to Victoria where he wanted to mine the gold tailings around Ballarat and Bendigo. So I insisted we “let him go”.
All he was interested was in high risk high capex stuff
“eg BHPB Australian President”
I know the current one Canadian born Mike Henry I assume not him as he is very new to the job and you are retired
I know the current one Canadian born Mike Henry I assume not him
No, I don’t wally, (know of him of course) BHPB had a large chunk of my life as a consultant … the President I knew (well) was an ex WWII Ranger! And his successor.
I used to train Senior Management for a few mining organisations … not Directors – they knew how to present information and deal with the media – apparently …
The only Canadian I knew was the Mine Manager at Ok Tedi … when I asked him where the top of the mountain had gone (as I looked down into the big hole into the mountain itself) … he replied, laconically … as only a Canuk can … down the Fly, TB, down the Fly …
And it was! … The Fly River was just grey sludge! (A river the local Nationals used to survive – PNG is primarily a subsistence society …
I’m not sure you understand the role of geologists either, wally … search, find, exploit … just like a Finance Dept. … only one is progressive …
And BTW … HR (why the fuck do we need a glorified Payroll Dept ?)
Because (Bean Counters Inc.) don’t “get” (struggle with) Basic Wage, Awards, Penalty Rates, Workers Comp, Holiday Pay, Entitlements, Family Hardship … HR … IR … OHS&W … HRD … Environment … Recruiting … PR … Media Communication … Housing … and particularly miners’ families … oh, and unions BOO! and so many other things that happen in the real world!
In fact the Department that rules the roost on most mine-sites and organisations is IT … the ultimate in empire building! (And usually supported – blindly by … The Finance Department!)
Hilarious! The answer is India… I haven’t seen this
(no surf on the Surf Coast)
Does anyone actually listen to Kelly O’ Dwyer … all she does is dribble nonsense …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/10/parliamentary-expenses-government-to-clarify-what-official-business-means
And “oddly” enough we haven’t heard form the Pauline Hanson Pig in the Trough Club !
c’mon Pauline!
Í dont know what to say so here goes
“I’m not sure you understand the role of geologists either, wally … search, find, exploit … just like a Finance Dept”
It’s only “exploit” if you make or can make it profitable. His “projects” were a joke. So yes I certainly know what a geologist is supposed to be doing and he was not doing it
“”Taxpayers billed for Julie Bishop’s trip to exclusive polo match””
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/01/10/taxpayers-billed-julie-bishop-trip-polo-match/
It’s only “exploit” if you make or can make it profitable.
Like I said … different world to yours … different values (pun!) …
Now back to the LIBERAL PARTY TORIES screwing the little folk they seem to treat as peasants and themselves as royalty!
Can anyone tell me anything the Liberal government has done positively to improve the COUNTRY in the last 3 1/2 years… rather than themselves personally or their big business mates globally?
Is NoS still on school holidays ?
“……screwing the little folk they seem to treat as peasants and themselves as royalty!”
Maybe……but as I said yesterday they are not the only ones
From the Oz today
“Labor frontbenchers Chris Bowen and Brendan O’Connor charged taxpayers more than $10,000 each to take their families to Darwin during the 2015 July school holidays while they met with business owners, unions and attended a politics in the pub event.
The Australian can also reveal that in the three years to June 2016 Bill Shorten spent by far the most of any MP on family travel, claiming $123,114.
Mr Bowen claimed four nights of travel allowance for a five-night Darwin trip from July 3-8, 2015, at a cost of $1744 and flew his wife and two children across on “family traveller” airfares at $2688 per person.
The opposition Treasury spokesman’s personal flights and Comcar travel in Darwin meant his trip, partly taken over a weekend, cost $13,052.
Mr O’Connor went to Darwin with his partner and daughter between July 3 and 6 — but The Australian was told the two families did not socialise with each other despite the MPs appearing together at a pub. The opposition employment spokesman charged the public purse for three nights’ travel allowance at $1308 and for flights for himself and his family totalling $8832, making the total cost of his trip $10,140.
The reason listed for both MPs’ travel was “official business”.
Mr Bowen said his trip included an inspection of what was then the largest construction project in the world, the Inpex LNG gas facility. “In recognition of the fact that I got to spend some time with my family while not attending to official business, I did not claim for every night I was in Darwin,” he said.
A spokeswoman for Mr O’Connor said he had adhered to the rules “at all times” and met with a “range of stakeholders, including employers and unions”.
MPs are entitled to family reunion travel in limited circumstances to allow their spouse and dependent children to join them on parliamentary, electorate or official business and help “balance their work and family responsibilities”.
Mr Shorten’s travel claims include $55,531 in the first half of last year, when his wife Chloe accompanied him through much of the election campaign.
Malcolm Turnbull spent $14,441 on travel for his wife Lucy and other family members in the first half of last year and has spent only $29,240 in the past three years on family travel.
The second biggest spender was former Labor Northern Territory senator Nova Peris, who amassed a travel bill for family members of $109,541.
Former National Party leader Warren Truss claimed $104,214 in family travel expenses over his final three years, while his deputy and then successor Barnaby Joyce has claimed $75,700.
Of the politicians who do not represent remote electorates and are not leaders, stood-aside health minister Sussan Ley was the biggest spender on family travel over the past three years with claims totalling $66,412. After Mr Shorten, the biggest spending Victorian is Abbott social services minister Kevin Andrews who spent $61,959.”
Maybe……but as I said yesterday they are not the only ones
And that’s true … and its not as if they aren’t on a bloody good salary … how many businesses would put up with such shyte … $200,000 plus increases for committees, chair, ministers and shadow ministers … all up around $300 – $500,000 pa PLUS a $100-200,000 electorate EXPENSES allowance and still they claim on top … and then live high on the hog when they lose their jobs … forever!
I’m with KL, Bill of Rights and Federal ICAC!
Is there a lawyer offering off-peak rates at the moment ?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/geoffrey-edelstens-former-wife-leanne-nesbitt-takes-out-avo-against-man-she-was-living-with/news-story/79e390e023ddbfbe41ab09cb06656b77
https://au.be.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/a/33784635/what-caused-anthony-bell-and-kelly-landrys-split-yahoo7-be/
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/former-aussie-cricketer-stuart-macgill-handed-avo-from-girlfriend-julie-singleton/news-story/08ef5f081e9562da82381d1847a97966
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/dash-cam-drama-wife-who-rammed-husbands-campervan-slapped-with-avo/news-story/cb9a3d02771f2fcd16ab3203ad32e9b8
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/nsw/2017/01/10/mercedes-corby-fronts-court-faced-with-an-avo.html
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/news/bryce-cartwrights-ex-girlfriend-brittany-hura-faces-court-over-social-media-death-threat-nrl-rugby-league-penrith-panthers/54toko445u4y18trtfuua5e8p
Bill of Rights……….No way
Even Bob Carr opposes it and gives very good examples of why
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2442550.htm
post,,,,create self-inflicted disaster with renewed vigour,,,, #ROFL
# ,, yes. hasn`t it been exactly that!
# ,, l knew these two topics would be getting a screeching here (-;
,,,,Sussan Ley, property investor extraordinaire and occasional Health Minister,,,,
,,,,if Centrelink was a private company, it would be shut down for fraud,,,,
# ,, l noticed the centrelink bullshit was done just before xmas to fcuk-up folks annual `break`/holiday too, a couple of my neighbors had their xmas stuffed by getting threat-letters just before xmas. The wee bit of money they manage to squirrel away for a little bit of modest family xmas get-together, then `duressed` by govt so they can`t even `really` enjoy it. #govt.fcukers
# ,, no doubt the lavish-taxpayer funded, neg-geared health minister will-be/has inflicted cuts/increases on average sick-punter already earning fcuk-all; to cover her property portfolio junkets.
# ,, hate to point-out to the resident feminista (again) that scumbags with vaginas is not an answer, we just need less [preferably-none] scumbags. #yaaay.team
Is there a lawyer offering off-peak rates at the moment ?
You do read some shyte, wally! (Most of it made up is my guess!)
As for Bob Carr and a BofR … all his arguments can be countered legally … criminal damage is criminal damage FFS. Pull my fence down that’s illegal nothing to do with right of passage … knock The Minister over in the street she has rights to both criminal and under the BofR …
Learn from the mistakes of BofR that were written over 300 years ago …
Holland now runs its trains 100% on wind-power … for the times they are a changing!
And if Carr has objections then he should voice them in writing the terms of the Australian BofR … I sometimes think Carr is a bit too right of the Labor side of politics … a BofR would have crucified the NT government recently … its about the weakest link in our society … not the rich and privileged …
,,,,Sussan Ley, property investor extraordinaire and occasional Health Minister,,,,
:::::::::::::::: Spontaneous too! Just like her ministerial decisions! ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
,,,,if Centrelink was a private company, it would be shut down for fraud,,,,
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: But, but, Australia should be run like a business! Look, look, the PM is a multi millionaire – RIPPING OFF AUSTRALIA! We are surrounded by ignorant morons who cant see past their noses and the other half past their dicks! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
# ,, no doubt the lavish-taxpayer funded, neg-geared health minister will-be/has inflicted cuts/increases on average sick-punter already earning fcuk-all; to cover her property portfolio junkets.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: right again! PBS scripts up $1.10 … and other scripts removed, affecting chronic sufferers … what next? Concentration camps? ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
# ,, hate to point-out to the resident feminista (again) that scumbags with vaginas is not an answer, we just need less [preferably-none] scumbags. #yaaay.team
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: and then comes the biased prattle ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Still 3/4 isn’t bad !!!
TB,,,,right again!(#wish-l wasn`t) PBS scripts up $1.10 ,, and other scripts removed, affecting chronic sufferers,,,,
# ,, yep (,,chronic-sufferers,,) that`d be right teebz, grind those in desperation into the ground some more, can`t fight back. Scumbags always beating-up on weak, sick, powerless.
,,,,then comes the biased prattle,,,,
# ,, l know. They don`t talk like `that` deep inside the echo chamber; where everybody concerns themselves with political correctness and the metrics of `personal-demographics`; while simultaneously ignoring the fact that both teams would only fill their teams with the same type of scumbag/s; and still get nothing `good` done. (-:
,,,,Spontaneous too! Just like her ministerial decisions!,,,,
# ,, nothing like $60ishK on dozens of treasury-funded flights to be `spontaneous`, oh-yes, the Ley-scumbag really does believe we are `all` that stoopid. We really can`t hold it against her quality of making `decisions` tho, same calibre as talkbull, john-w, jooLie, mirrabella, rabbit and bronny-copter. #troughsnouts #teabags
# ,, l did enjoy the odwyer critter trying to `announce` the work-expense `review` on behalf of talkbull tho, bumbling along, trying to look convincing, and `not`. (-:
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From Rebs link
“MP travel expenses are in the spotlight again after revelations Julie Bishop had an empty government VIP jet to pick her up after a private dinner in Perth.”
Why the fuck didn’t she reduce the cost and just have Sussan Ley pilot the fucking thing ?
FIXDIT,,,,I know that `teabags`, like alcoholics, will blame anyone but themselves. And whereas alcoholics can damage their own family, `teabags` can destroy the whole country,,,,
# ,, it is oh-so quaint to see the thieving bronny-copter blaming `socialists` (who-ever the fcuk they are) and; defending the thieving-Ley. lt is also a working example that their troughsnouting is entrenched; Ley learned absolutely nothing from the bronny-copter (and-slipper) events; and neither did bronny-copter! #teabags
# ,, the-ronald, with only about a week remaining of the pilot episode; the cia managed to try and peddle bullshit about the-ronald; to which the-ronald replied ,,,these are the same people that said saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction, the story is fake,,,; the cia, while trying to defend its reputation; rapidly found itself at the bottom of the echo chamber with CNN, merril-streep and the rest of the save-the swampers! Old clown-hair wins again! (-: (-: (-: #still.not.learning
During a neighbors new-year bbq, l over-heard other guests speaking about ridiculous smokes price. Guest reckoned he got 5-packs for the price of one, beating previous info of 3-for one. That means baccy-price `falling` on blackish market and `awash` (plenty available) and nanny nirvana slipping further away from military-grade packaging wet-dream. #team.nanny.roxon
# ,, did anybody on team-nanny notice that jonesland had a record `bust` of `coke` last week or so???? and that jonesland plod reckoned it won`t make a dent in the price `and` availability of `coke` on the streets???? #yaaaay.team
“”Australia ranks 50th in the world for average internet speeds””
Good on us for having a go…
http://www.crn.com.au/news/australia-ranks-50th-in-the-world-for-average-internet-speeds-at-96mbps-447211
As long as we keep expanding the copper and `achieving` good judgment, Tonga will never catch us!
Last I checked we were at 64th (from 40th) … but I think that was speed not average …
https://www.fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php
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Mal’s been sighted on the beach … Cayman Islands!
MPs of both the LNP and the ALP are determined to destroy what little respect anyone still had for them. Amazingly it has been the Greens ( you know the ones that the right hysterically like to blame for anything they cannot blame the ALP for) that have for years called for black and white expenses rules and a Federal ICAC. No wonder people are leaving the 2 big parties in droves. The only time they vote together is to feather their own nests. The LNP appear ( and I use this word loosely) to be the worst trough snouters, plus they want to take everything from the poor and elderly to prop up their own entitlements of epic proportions. Talk about Sherriff Of Nottingham economics. It is a DISGRACE !!!!
I think that in the exalted air of australian government, RAAF planes are commonly used as taxis, the pollies spend a lot of time and money telling us they are just the same as the rest of us, but in reality, they demand to be treated like royalty on our $ and they think their time is so valuable that only a plane or a chopper will do.
Why can’t the sporting clubs and companies that invite the MP’s [and their entourages] to their events pay for those expenses? Business always expects to socialise their expenses to the taxpayer and when you get an MP that also believes their work and their play is one and the same, well, taxpayers will wind up paying. Why can’t Gina pay for the pollies she expects to come running whenever she beckons?
A BoR would put a stop to the entire country being taken hostage to the whims and nasties of whichever government comes to power. If our elected parliaments are producing people of the calibre of hanson, culleton, roberts, bob day, lleyonhjelm, bernardi and christensen and if the major parties insist on strict straight jacketing of their [supposedly representative] MP’s then we really need a BoR to protect us from the abuse of power by tyranny. We should have our inherent rights no matter who comes to power Politicians want all the power to themselves, including the power of corruption and they make the laws to suit their own self interest. When our democracy has been so undermined and eroded by the political parties and they no longer represent the will of the people, only the party, then we need a BoR.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/10/24/bill-rights-rein-the-rogues/14456052002543
…Parliamentary supremacy may, in theory, amount to an expression of democracy in its purest form. In reality, though, it does little to insulate against a government determined to ensure that “the rules of natural justice do not apply”…
RAAF,,,,planes are commonly used as taxis,,,,
# ,, l think they only hitch a ride on already existing raaf-flights, which probably saves treasury cash armchair.
# ,, bills-of-rights, boards of review, and fed-icacs all sound nice, but shouldn`t afp-plod be doing `their` job anyway, and sniffing-out theft and corruption in clowntown, just as jonestown-plod or boltsville-plod do????
SA Govt to compensate those without power for 48 hours after that massive storm. For heavens sake I was without power for 5 frigging days and lost all my food, had no water as water relied on electric pumps from tanks. Had to shower at friends places. This was in Mooloolah Valley on the Sunshine Coast so not an isolated area at all. What a mob of girlymen whingers we have become and always demanding money from the Government.
In addition I hope Malcom Turnbull is going to rage against the WA LNP government because people are without power after a storm in Perth so it must be their renewables policy.
…# ,, bills-of-rights, boards of review, and fed-icacs all sound nice, but shouldn`t afp-plod be doing `their` job anyway, and sniffing-out theft and corruption in clowntown, just as jonestown-plod or boltsville-plod do???? …
That’s why we need a BoR – people could assert their rights over a clearly politicised and cowardly department. The AFP do exactly what the govt tell them to do and they are hopelessly compromised by a pro LNP bias. I’ve really noticed how these supposedly ‘independepent’ bodies like AFP, DPP, AEC, MP’s wages etc are nowhere near independent, it’s just a word that they put out to the public to appear democratic. Look at how gillian triggs has been treated when she has tried to be independent of government.
Teabag: Are you trying to tell us that RAAF planes are only used when they are flying from the exact spot a minister is in to an exact spot a minister wishes to go to ?. If that is the case then there are fairies at the bottom of your garden to go and have a look at 🙂
re steve ciobo in the news about travel expenses and sporting events being ok as people keen to talk business.with pollies and they showcase their business.
Whatever happened to telephones and offices, watching the TV even?
Or business/industry paying for the flights as well as the special seating and partying? Not one person seems to have thought of that. And, would they pay for the entire family and their celebrity style accommodation?
Why do the pollies need to travel so much anyway? Once you’re in power don’t they come to you?
Plus, the approval for RAAF flights is made by the defense minister!
Federal politicians spend over $600,000 on ghost jets
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/federal-politicians-spend-over-600000-on-ghost-jets/news-story/e55c4a2442f70cf8f25b631a2d545794
…Pollie-chartered RAAF jets flew without passengers on 107 occasions at a cost of $610,571 from July to December last year, the Herald Sun has reported.
Perth-based ministers and MPs who chartered the RAAF nine-seater Challenger Jet rather than taking commercial flights to Canberra accounted for the greatest proportion of the bill.
It costs up to $18,000 to fly an empty plane from Perth to Canberra, but wage costs for the RAAF crew increase that price.
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and her partner David Panton chartered two empty flights between Perth and Canberra in October last year.
Finance Minister Mathias Cormann, Employment Minister Michaelia Cash, Justice Minister Michael Keenan and Social Service Minister Porter chartered an empty plane which flew from Canberra to Perth on a return trip on September 20 last year at a cost of $17,996 to bring them back to be sworn in as cabinet ministers.
Senator Cormann and other MPs including Andrew Hastie, Senator Chris Back, Steve Irons and Senator Linda Reynolds chartered another empty jet at a cost of $16,740 to fly to Canberra for a sitting week in November last year instead of taking available commercial flights.
Empty planes were also chartered for shorter routes, with former treasurer Joe Hockey sending an empty plane back to Canberra at a cost of $2,390 after he and advisers flew to Melbourne for a PricewaterhouseCoopers forum in July 2015.
Five “special purpose aircraft” operate out of the RAAF Fairbairn air base in Canberra, but they are usually only used when a commercial airline seat is not a viable option…
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/come-fly-with-me–australia-gets-its-air-force-one-20161007-grxbbf.html
The LNP appear ( and I use this word loosely) to be the worst trough snouters
Hard to say. Gillard as PM got free travel to a wedding because she had some official duties which just happened to be on at the same time at Byron Bay.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/julia-jets-off-to-a-vip-wedding/news-story/238017071de7e648eaeb89a809a65365
FRESH from being returned in a farcical leadership spill, Julia Gillard yesterday flew to northern NSW on a taxpayer funded VIP jet for a staffer’s wedding and several low key announcements.
Pollie,,,,chartered RAAF jets,,,,
# ,, yeah agree, this shouldn`t be going-on armchair, l always thought they were just hitching a ride on `existing` flight, clearly lts just more troughsnouting and elitism.
(maybe defence, foreign affairs in warzones flights needed)
# ,, keep ya`garden fairies to ya`self shane (-:
Hahahahahahahaha….
Sussan Ley quits but still insists she hasn’t broken any rules……!!
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/malcolm-turnbull-reveals-sussan-ley-has-given-notice-of-her-intention-to-resign/news-story/4be8915ba35f2ef89a67557454574dd9
First thing l saw on TV-news not too long ago was; bananaland teabumpkin jumping ship to join team-hanson. Followed by talkbull waffling that Ley resigned (sacked). l wonder if the ship jumping in bananaland `stimulated` the sacking in clowntown. (-:
https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/socialism-is-on-the-march-dark-days-for-people-with-lots-of-money-and-excellent-connections,9923
“…Sussan Ley’s resignation proves socialism is on the march and the peasants are revolting! Managing editor David Donovan reports on these latest alarming attacks on people with lots of money and excellent connections…”
Neil that is why I said loosely, however I think you will find there are far bigger rorters than Gillard. Look at Bronwyn Bishop for example and the hundreds of thousands she charged and she is not even the PM. The rorts seem to be much larger and far more entrenched in the LNP but the ALP deserve just as much criticism for being part of the duopoly that supports this terrible theft of taxpayers money.
Shane, Well written replies are wasted on kneel, he has spent years with his head up the teabags arses. (-:
,,,,The rorts seem to be much larger and far more entrenched in the LNP but the ALP deserve just as much criticism for being part of the duopoly that supports this terrible theft of taxpayers money,,,#agree
,,,Look at Bronwyn Bishop for example and the hundreds of thousands she charged and she is not even the PM,,,
# ,, there is also more problems within the system. Bronny-copter got off with thousands, while slipper less than one thousand, had thousands spent prosecuting slipper. Where is the `prosecutions-dept` and afp-plod. in most jurisdictions, they are usually `officers-of the-court` and don`t need crime `referred` to them, but can `initiate` on `own` knowledge of crime. We all know bronny-copter and Ley are basically thieves, yet watch as both afp-plod and prosecutor don`t bring charges `or` investigate. And a braying media worth half its weight in turnips should know this, and pursue it.
Thanks KL, GOLD!
Of course socialism is on the march, Bronwyn!
As you know, fascism always flies first class.
I don’t wear necklaces (I do have four dress rings – please don’t!) … but I’m considering this
https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/71441752/sterling-silver-guillotine-pendant?ref=market
Perhaps we need an icon
I,,,,don`t wear necklaces,,,,
# ,, They clash with my suits!
# ,, Hey shane, got any opinion on the bananaland teabag defecting to team-hanson?? lt must be good to shake-up the local box of primates. (-:
I’m not Shane… not a massive shift from the LNP boofheads to the ON bigots, really if you think about it …
I heard something about him doing an advert for Paulinus …
Teabag. I do have an opinion the defection to ON. Steve Dickson stated last year he was not defecting and was a loyal team player with the LNP. That shows the ethics and standards of the man and the worth of his word. The use of Medicinal marijuana as the reason for defection is the biggest excuse I have heard yet for trying to blame his own party for leaving. I would say the same thing if it was an ALP MP doing the same. I do not care of they defect, but telling lies only a few months ago and then making feeble excuses as to the reason is not a person I would vote for in any party.
I have been stating this for many years. It all started with the privatisation of the CBA under David Murray as CEO and the arrogant culture change from service to absolute profit while he was CEO. Wages changed to bonuses and commissions based on sales of anything and everything to anyone rather than a salary to provide a service. Staff given unachievable targets and then managed out of their employment after many long years of faithful service simply because they could not change form a service culture to a greed culture, from caring about the customer to caring about profit. Could have told all of these investigating bodies 15 to 20 years ago without the need for expensive reports. Anyone with two eyes and two ears ( other than capitalist extremists) could see what was unfolding. The CBA was the peoples bank and the most trusted bank until it was sold off to become yet another greed factory.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/banks-begin-to-unwind-vertical-integration-but-victims-continue-to-fight-20170104-gtm6kw.html
Could have told all of these investigating bodies 15 to 20 years ago without the need for expensive reports.
Me too, Shane, and I’m not in the “industry” … however we have a very close relative who has worked for NAB for quite a few years now … and they have had more than one issue … many (not all) of the managers have limited/no management skills whatsoever … and how Area Managers are “promoted” (with carte blanche decision powers to move about people like chess pieces) is beyond me …
It reminds me of James Hardie … all their managers were engineers – the HR Manager was a chemist FFS! With resultant OH&S disasters …
Julie Bishop cancels Polo appearance. Is that because.
1) It really was nothing to do with work in the first place?
2) She can no longer drain us of money at the moment given the outrage?
3) It was really personal and she is too tight to pay for the trip herself?
I would say all of the above. It is a DISGRACE I tell you.
TB
NAB actually started it they imported an aggressive ales technique from the USA, but actually abandoned it. Then the CBA under an American General Manager Personal Banking took the same system on and it was the catalyst for everything that has happened since. Wells Fargo has nothing on the banks in Oz.
IT IS A DISGRACE!
I was invited to that polo day through a company that I deal with. I can’t think of anything more annoying to do on a day of leisure
If I’d felt that I should have gone because of work responsibilities, I certainly would have claimed expenses
Neil that is why I said loosely, however I think you will find there are far bigger rorters than Gillard. Look at Bronwyn Bishop for example
Big difference between Gillard and BB. Gillard used taxpayer funds for personal gain. Gillard arranged low key appointments in Byron Bay so she would not have to pay transport to a wedding. BB got nothing out of the helicopter trip other than to destroy her reputation.
The rorts seem to be much larger and far more entrenched in the LNP
Any evidence for this? This topic only seems to get into the media when the Coalition does the rorting. The media falls asleep when the ALP have their snouts into the trough.
If I’d felt that I should have gone because of work responsibilities, I certainly would have claimed expenses
And I’d want some bloody good business reasons and outcomes, not a “feeling”, before I paid your expenses claim!
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The media falls asleep when the ALP have their snouts into the trough.
Perhaps its only LNP commercial pilots cum health ministers who can buy a $785,000 apartment on the GC on “the spur of the moment” from an LNP donor (after numerous visits to the GC) … and who takes advantage of negative gearing.
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Speaking of negative gearing – does Kevin Andrews really own over 200 negative geared properties?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/how-property-investing-politicians-have-skin-in-the-game-on-the-negative-gearing-debate-20150326-1m8s36.html
http://blog.australiaboomtobust.com/2015/03/2015-changes-to-politicians-property-portfolio/
TB
Did you read your own link?
It said the Coalition MP’s had 331 properties and the ALP had 162. Take away the superior numbers the Coalition has in Parliament and the few fat Coalition cats who have 40 properties and there is not much difference between the Coalition and the ALP in property ownership.
What i found interesting is that the Greens had 16 properties. How many Greens are there in Federal Parliament?
Neil.
The government of the day is YOUR LNP. Those responsible to introduce legislation and policies at the moment are YOUR LNP. The ones who can clean this up and stop all the rorting and make the rules black and white are YOUR LNP. They have refused to do this for the last 4 years despite voter anger while attacking a few unemployed and pensioners.
They are all a pox ridden carcass of thieves but the ones who CAN LEGISLATE and fix this at the moment are YOUR LNP.
Do you get it ?. Can you see past your partisan determined hatred of the ALP.
I will hound the ALP once they are back in government. However at the moment the government is YOUR LNP.
Regarding investment properties no matter how you want to shape and reshape the numbers 331 is almost double 162 no matter who is rorting taxpayers under negative gearing.
Regarding investment properties no matter how you want to shape and reshape the numbers 331 is almost double 162 no matter who is rorting taxpayers under negative gearing.
The article was dated 2015. At the 2013 election the Coalition won 90 seats and the ALP- 55. Almost double. Take away the few fat cat Coalition MP’s like Clive Palmer with a million properties there is no difference between the Coalition and the ALP in the number of investment properties they own.
I miss this enlightening edication
Take away the few fat cat Coalition MP’s like Clive Palmer
ROFL
And Gillard attending a wedding (which bronnie had attended MANY such events), whilst being wrong imo, was covered by the extremely loose and generous rules.
bronnie etal have gone because, apart from making extensive use of these already generous rules, went too far, and (most probably) broke those rules.
ley is the glaring example. She couldn’t provide proof of grubmint business for many of her trips to the Gold Coast.
Can’t recall too many Labor MP’s doing that. Bringing up Labor MP’s taking their families on holidays is a Straw Man. You may disagree with the rule, but it is still there. They were well within their rights, and provided all the documentation needed. The libs have a habit of having no reason, or making one up after the vent (see yabot and his book tour for examples)
Speaking of stupid
“It really is pretty sad, isn’t it?” Ms Hanson said. “It’s bloody idiots out there, ratbags. It’s pretty sad when it’s basically shutting us down for being proud of who we are as Australian citizens.”
http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/it-really-is-pretty-sad-pauline-hanson-slams-politically-correct-australia-day-lamb-ad/news-story/c4313cd6326d129d45acd4cd9a510f8d
Is she is referring to the Royal “WE” there??
She best not be referring to ME!! Cos I’m a “proud Australian citizen” and I fucken loved it 🙂
… there is no difference between the Coalition and the ALP in the number of investment properties they own.
But you are the only one bleating … NEGATIVE GEARING is middle class WELFARE …
Nothing to defend …
You may disagree with the rule, but it is still there. They were well within their rights, and provided all the documentation needed.
I emphatically do … there are rights and responsibilities, my family has always been encouraged to concentrate on responsibilities …
My employees never paid for my families holidays … I DID! (and occasionally still do)
ALL politicians need to be reined in … I want people who are intelligent and can think logically not the fkn aliens who populate our seats of democracy now and suck every five cents off the floor!
What still astounds me is who votes for these fuckwits?
Did Julie Bishop just cancel a trip to a polo match? And did she really visit 26 cities where the West Coast eagles were playing?
My employees never paid for my families holidays
Oops employers …
She best not be referring to ME!! Cos I’m a “proud Australian citizen” and I fucken loved it
HERE! HERE! (For ToM ***)
Which part didn’t Hanson understand? Another “please explain” moment, methinks!
And credit ratings are valuable how?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/14/moodys-864m-penalty-for-ratings-in-run-up-to-2008-financial-crisis
“ALL politicians need to be reined in”
I AGREE!
But that is missing the point here. These plebs are ripping off an already too generous bonus.
I note when the Labor guy who took money from a Chinese businessman got busted the focus didn’t turn to others. It was just him and what he did wrong. As it should be. But when a lib is caught, again, systematically ripping off the system, it becomes a “they’re all as bad as each other “, when quite obviously this is not the case.
Change the system for sure, but don’t let ley get away with it on a “they all do it ” excuse. They don’t all do it to that extreme. Most/many keep within the extremely generous guidelines.
I think it’s a great ad.
Pauline Hanson is a fucking moron.
Maybe they should do one with her in it, sitting under a foil sun shade just haten everyone
lol… 🙂
This is a good summary of the government’s achievements…
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2017/jan/15/the-governments-horrific-start-to-the-year-is-fully-deserved-and-completely-appropriate
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bogus-enrolments-and-charity-help-deliver-poll-win-for-intaj-khan-20170114-gtrgai.html
More ambition without ethics. Hope he gets into parliament and sets new standards in rorting expenses!
lol yomm, “Ben Schneiders”, say no more 😉
Hows all his #turc ‘scoops’ going?
I’m glad actual journalists are taking note of real stories at last though
The government’s horrific start to the year is not only fully deserved, it is completely appropriate. The Centrelink shemozzle and entitlements abuses are a wonderful amalgam of the absence of respect for those on welfare and the tin-eared political nous which characterises this government.
Let’s not pretend that Centrelink issuing faulty debt notices is just a case of IT gone wrong.
Faults where people are issued debt notices of $14,000 due to the system incorrectly duplicating employers, or because it hamfistedly averages annual income over 52 weeks are not really IT glitches, but rather are part of the policy design.
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If raising revenue is the only concern, the key is to make the system as cheap as possible, and thus you remove the “costly” humans and make it automated. But you would only do this if your desire for revenue outweighed your respect of the people who you know will receive erroneous (and dare one suggest, fraudulent) debt notices.
And we know the government has no respect for those on welfare.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2017/jan/15/the-governments-horrific-start-to-the-year-is-fully-deserved-and-completely-appropriate?CMP=share_btn_tw
And to ramp this up as callously as they did around Christmas time of all times just highlights what disdain they feel for anyone receiving any form of welfare (we should revert to calling it Social Security)
The government’s horrific start to the year is fully deserved and completely appropriate
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2017/jan/15/the-governments-horrific-start-to-the-year-is-fully-deserved-and-completely-appropriate
Sharks never sleep: There are scarier things at the beach than shark attacks
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-15/sharks-never-sleep-shark-attacks-fear-facts/8180252
but,,,,rather are part of the policy design,,,,
receive,,,,erroneous (and dare one suggest, fraudulent)#Tick! debt notices,,,,
And,,,,we know the government has no respect for those on welfare,,,,
# ,, So now the worm turns team-cheerer. For at least 12-months l have been telling you-lot there is a shit-load of `policy-design` and `fraudulent` govt-activity/s applied against those on welfare; by BOTH teams. What do you expect when both teams get away with inflicting bullshit and fraud against `welfarers`; of course it emboldens govt to go further, to the cheering of the loonies.
# ,, Sharks never sleep #squirt.squirt
What a bleeding expensive disaster!
http://www.news.com.au/technology/f35-has-long-list-of-deficiencies-says-pentagon-operation-testing-and-evaluation-office/news-story/d188a16c3c48ba7409804e01b22de14c
And Tony Abbott spent how much to buy another 58!!!!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-23/australia-to-buy-58-more-joint-strike-fighters/5405236
I knew it!
If ashby becomes an MP we know our democracy is dead.
The corrupt Sinodinos is brought back too.
It is a cynical use and abuse of political power and the australian voters are treated as mugs.
The revolution needs to be now!
Your belly laugh for this morning from a classic Loon Pond post!
http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/in-which-pond-moves-on-from-judeo.html#.WHv_3Rt97IU
And now, oh valiant world, we have a man who loves to grope pussies as the leader of the United States …
Labor 54 Coalition 46 two party preferred … now that’s a belly laugh, KL!
😀
Trump would be a huge belly laugh if it wasn’t so serious. What a complete F***WIT!
He’s everything people are entitled to loath
“”Labor 54 Coalition 46 two party preferred “”
Gee, it’s just aswell Talcum didn’t use poll results as a reason to sabotage his boss… 😯
“He’s everything people are entitled to loath”
I think you mean “loathe”..
😉
Chuckle @ sreb … or/and ToM?
The,,,,US is making a trillion-dollar investment in the next-generation jet,,,,
# ,, the-ronald has already wrangled Lockheed over the waste and failures the same week he wrangled boeing over airforce-1.
,,,,Delivery`s now about 10-years late,,,,
,,,,Despite it`s incomplete state, a partially operational squadron of the Marine Corps` F-35B was deployed to Japan last week,,,,
# ,, this will be worth watching, Let`s see how many of these flying trash-cans end-up in the scrap-yard.
# ,, with only 4-days remaining of the pilot episode, the-ronald has dropped the cia-director into the echo chamber to give comfort to remaining save-the swampers. l hope they appreciate it.
# ,, l am looking forward to season-1 starting. l am certain the unhingement of the save-the swampers will be fantabulous. The echo chamber will go into over-drive, with braying media leading the charge, but tweet by tweet, they will be defeated. (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:
OK, my mistake!
http://grammarist.com/spelling/loath-loathe-loth/
Tom of Mistakes … ToM … 😉
“”OK, my mistake!””
Admitting that you made a mistake is the first step.
The next step is an apology.
I believe you’re familiar with the format we require…..
“I believe you’re familiar with the format we require…..”
Anything less is unacceptable
I believe you’re familiar with the format we require…..
Wadda we want? POEM!
When do we want it? NOW!
Wadda we want? POEM!
When do we want it? NOW!
Wadda we want? POEM!
When do we want it? NOW!
Aw … wally … FFS!
Hey shane, l just saw the dickson defector on reportland. After seeing the well-fed bananaland teabumpkins and teabags bleating their usual blather; while dickson reckons he has requests for medical-choof/products from his electorate; l reckon dickson is `probably` doing the correct thing and trying to serve his electorate; (instead of serving-the-team). Dickson `seemed` to be the much-lesser scumbag to me.
Are the qld libs against the legalising of medical cannabis?
I found this one…
I just feel so much guilt,
That my words and actions built.
I know, what I did was wrong,
Tried to avoid it, and be strong.
Following me has been the truth,
It was hurting like a tooth.
A second more, I could not deny,
Not apologizing was a lie.
I’m so sorry, from deep inside,
Clearly guilty, my hands are tied.
It was obviously, all my fault,
I have opened my inner vault.
l don`t know armchair, tho generally speaking, the teabags are the deepest entrenched in the `war-on-drugs` echo chamber and l doubt bananaland teabags would be different, tho shane or teebz might figure different.
apology poems must be personal and original …, ToM …
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Are the qld libs against the legalising of medical cannabis?
Good question, KL … I didn’t think they were but are dragging their feet …
Must have got a move on …
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-13/medicinal-cannabis-new-laws-allow-access-qld-patients-any-age/7927944
“”I found this one…””
What, you mean you didn’t write it yourself….?
Where’s the sincerity in that….??
But it expressed my sentiments so will!
Particularly-” I have opened my inner vault.”
No one wants to see what’s in your inner vault, ToM.
We’re still trying to figure out what’s on display outside!
😛
“But it expressed my sentiments so will!”
“so will!” you now apologise proper like?
But it expressed my sentiments so will!
Giggle! Two poems coming up?
I have opened my inner vault
Actually that should be three poems … that’s such a disgusting thing to say!
(Tha’do ‘ave ta write caref’l, like, now don’ tha’ ) 😀
Blame auto correct… but this is soooo sincere!
I’m really sorry for my recent actions,
Selfishly searching for your reactions.
What I did was not very kind,
I don’t know what, got into my mind.
Something wrong with my psychology,
From my heart I bring this apology.
I know there are no valid excuses,
Negative feelings arguments produces
I’m really sorry, I truly care,
What I did was completely unfair,
Hope you forgive me over time,
I feel awful about my crime.
UBER KAPITALISM? U Bet!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/16/eight-people-earn-more-billion-economics-broken
Blame auto correct… but this is soooo sincere!
http://www.anitapoems.com/apology-poems.html
Now we had deception and lies to a tawdry series of comments from, ToM!
Don’t you realise we are all Google Freaks on this blog!!!!
have!!!!!!!
That was a nice poem ToM.
Let me forward it to the Poem Apology Review Committee for their consideration.
Poem Apology Review Committee Report
Rubbish!
Refer second poem on first page …
http://www.anitapoems.com/apology-poems.html
A little plug for the good warrior and his new book:
So now everyone is going to get sit-down money? That is definitely not a better future!
above, ya`poem is very nice,
but soon you`ll return to ya`usual vice,
when next ya`get the urge to scribble,
out will come the usual dribble,
,
on the worker, onion or boater,
you`ll remain a corporate deep-throater,
improved judgment won`t be seen,
remember MH seventeen (-: (-: (-:
“So now everyone is going to get sit-down money? ”
Yep SP ………………….yet another bullshit theory from the Left
Hawke`s,,,,recent call for the state governments,,,,
https://t.co/E9SxnLkTLL
# ,, and todays `working-example` is provided by teh-conversation, proving over-educated dumbfcuks with a stack of `degrees` DO lack fcuking common sense.
# ,, the tyrants that legislated away Aussie citizens rights and privacy, blew untold treasury cash on iraq, F35-junk; are persecuting gays, terminally-ill, boaties and unemployed; fcuked the general employment with dumping, agents and `daring` industry to leave; all come out of clowntown. Not the State/s.
# ,, you don`t need a uni-degree to be a fool, but it helps over at teh-con!
For a cnut that has made a career sitting on his arse blubbering; it strikes me as kind of funny that he is blubbering about others `sit-down` money. #teabags
So now everyone is going to get sit-down money? That is definitely not a better future!
Guess who’s created it? And yes, its NOT a better future!
http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/breaking-news/big-firms-embrace-artificial-intelligence/news-story/ce4927d38d379b554b4550903d37a80e
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=universal+income
Oddly enough I believe the world and its resources belong to everyone equally …
Kapitalism is as dismal a failure as communism in Russia was but for the same reason … GREED! Russia’s democratic/kapitalism seems to be suffering the same problem as communism did! USA has been the “model” for failure …
Some people want more than they could possibly use …
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Good kapitalism news for us … we recently switched from AGL to Click Energy … Click have a weird system whereby you pay $100 for the first two months and then the solar generation is calculated on the third month – because that’s when the meters are actually read … after three months we have earned $548 … that’s two grand a year … when we installed our second system (we originally had 1Kw) and boosted it to 4.5Kw (Queensland has a 5Kw domestic system limit) we were paying $300 a quarter … we amortised the cost of the system over three years (capital outlay $6000) … so now we are reaping the benefits of our kapitalist investment …
Yep SP ………………….yet another bullshit theory from the Left
So what’s the answer? Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?
Coal is the answer to reducing emissions? FMD …
… and just where is Jobson Growthe these days?
BTW – its not a BS theory nor is it from the left.
“‘Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?””
Maybe YoM, Walrus, Niel, ToSY or the other tory fuckers can enlighten us, cos I sure as hell aint seen any evidence…
But I won’t be holding my breath..
Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?
I was thinking NBN, Fair Work, NDIS, Gonski, Plain Packaging, Carbon Price just to name a few, then I realised it was the other mob being referred to.
As FPMPK said,
If this mob were a car, you’d have to clean bugs off the rear windshield, they are going backwards that fast
Trashed the NBN, NDIS, Gonski, Carbon Price ( just to name a few) 😉
“But I won’t be holding my breath..”
How about denying you pathetic fuckers of your much coveted trophies AKA floating dead bodies at sea.
That must really piss you lot off
With you pathetic bunch its not the outcomes that count anyway its the “Team” and possible talking points.
NDIS, NBN,Gonski ?????????
Talk about ROFLMAO.
Leaving the Nation burdened with billions of dollars in unfunded programs is some sort of achievement ???????????????
That is soooooooooo sooooooooooooo funny .
But it does sort of display the typical low IQ of a Lefty from a rust belt state
Meanwhile, from the self professed ‘superior economic managers’ (how much is the budget deficit again?)….
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fallen-well-short-of-standards-audit-slams-immigration-department-over-nauru-and-manus-island-contracts-20170117-gtsvb0
From your Link
“The ANAO also concluded the contracts themselves lacked effective guidelines and management mechanisms, owing partly to the “great haste” with which the detention centres were established in 2012-13. Many faults persisted in later contracts, the ANAO said.”
Exactly who was in Government in 2012/13 ?????
Oh plus when did the riot occur and who was in government.
This bit might jog your memory
“Those involved have now been charged with offences including affray, riot and larceny.
Immigration Minister Tony Burke is also threatening to refuse or cancel the visas of those found to be responsible. ”
So who was in government when it was uninsured…………..?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-22/125-asylum-seekers-charged-over-violent-nauru-riots/4834098
A word of advice…………………Try harder next time
And more from that wonderful Link of yours…………
“The auditor identified that speed was of the essence when the then Labor government opted to establish offshore processing centres on the islands in 2012. Contracts were described “only in general terms”, while service standards were “not articulated” and delivery timeframes were not clearly established in the contracts.”
Now who was it that overturned the Boat Policies of the LNP on taking power in 2007 ?
And who realised they needed detention centres quickly in 2012 lest the Nation continue to watch as people drowned.
But you dont care about that because you need dead bodies (better if they are children too) to pump your scorecard up so you can beat your Lefty chests.
Its only the Team that matters to you
In case you hadn’t noticed Walrus, I’ve been quite critical of Labor in the past, so I really don’t know what you’re on about..
“Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?”
“Control” is the operative word there. You are not in control if you can’t get your legislation through the Senate. We probably need to follow the UK and make it so the Senate can only delay legislation, and when it comes to money bills, not even delay them for very long.
Having said that, Abbott did stop the drownings. Of course this made elitist refugee-pimping ratbags vey sad. They would prefer the tingling sensation of their own moral rectitude even if it means a few thousand refugees perish.
He also got rid of the Carbon tax. Sadly he did not introduce legislation making Green scaremongering scaremongrels liable for the massive wasted expenditure they caused like the multi-billion dollar white elephant desal plants.
Also the theft of public funds by a cabal of political hacks at the ABC continues unabated as they use the national broadcaster as their private Pravda.
And the Senate destroyed all attempts at effective legislation to limit thuggery and corruption by the union/bikie cartel. The CFMEU should be a designated terrorist organisation.
Now with the ALP plant Turncoat as PM nothing worthwhile will happen even if the vain vacuous vacillator can draw himself away from the mirror long enough to make a decision.
Leaving the Nation burdened with billions of dollars in unfunded programs is some sort of achievement ???????????????
Of course. Gillard wanted the kudos for introducing these schemes even though the stupid crook had not a clue about how to pay for them. Maybe she thought if she rooted another union official the money would appear out of nowhere!
Tim Blair is always a great read:
NOSTRADUMBARSE STRIKES AGAIN
“Australian cities will run out of water. Perth will be a ghost town. China will ditch coal. Our planet will become sentient. Tim Flannery’s list of climate predictions is long and almost always wrong.”
“In case you hadn’t noticed Walrus, I’ve been quite critical of Labor in the past, so I really don’t know what you’re on about.”
Intellectual integrity like that is rare. I joined just before fair-minded people had the opportunity of calling out ALP hypocrisy on whore-rooting union official Craig Thomson. Reb, you did good with that. Unfortunately ALP stooges like Tom R had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the truth. Here is a clue – if you ever cite Independent Australia as a source for anything then you should put a bullet through your brain as it has ceased to actually think!
Notwithstanding the exemplary integrity of the proprietor, some of the commenters here are stuck in their usual ruts. In fact if Tom R set up his own blog it would consist entirely of ALP propaganda. He should call it “Slut in a Rut”. Or maybe “Stooge in a Groove”. Or “One-track Mindlessness”.
“Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?”
And the tories go bonkers attacking the “left” … its such a simple question but no-one can answer it except to say ” its all the left’s fault” …
Well four years is enough to either fix the previous stuff ups, or fuck ’em up even more … I’m going for the latter … with additions!
And if you think that snotty, little schoolboy comments about people drowning is something to be cheered and jeered then you need to take a strong look at your own morals before accusing other people …
I’d hazard a guess that all of the commenters here who despise the tory greed and claims of entitlement and superiority, have criticised ALP governments both Federal and State …
… defending the indefensible seems to be a rightwing modus operandi … from the Prime Meddler to backwater blog commenters … usually by attacking the messenger(s) … and shifting the blame …
Now …
“Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?” 😀
ROFLMAO!!!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/18/malcolm-turnbull-names-greg-hunt-to-become-health-and-sport-minister
“And if you think that snotty, little schoolboy comments about people drowning is something to be cheered and jeered then you need to take a strong look at your own morals before accusing other people … “
The murderous cunts who got rid of the Pacific Solution at a time when it wasn’t hurting anyone – virtually no one in detention and no boats coming – did so ONLY to feel good about themselves. There was no other reason to do it. The consequence was well over a thousand that we know of where drowned. But there is no acknowledgement of that, no self-reflection by the murderers, only pathetic comments like yours!
The moral mongrels who did that deserve a lot more than to be jeered for the rest of their miserable lives. You can run interference for them if you like – being a rusted on ALP barracker means you needn’t have any moral qualms about that or anything else just so long as you toe the damnable party line.
And, TB, before you even think about coming up with some dumb “look over there” argument (which is always your go to position in these cases) just forget it. It is irrelevant to the point under discussion.
“”Abbott did stop the drownings””
How would we know they if they’ve actually stopped?
The moral mongrels who did that deserve a lot more than to be jeered for the rest of their miserable lives.
The problem is that WE on this site get blamed … and called names … WE are well aware of what happened and WE complained about it at the time …
It is irrelevant to the point under discussion.
I think I know the point … I began by asking …
“Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?”
“look over there” argument (which is always your go to position in these cases) ..
So who’s looking over there … and giving out commands and control … … just forget it …
… accuse others of what they do …
Forgive them for see not what they are
Now …
“Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?”
“Your lot’s been in “control” for four years now and what have they achieved?”
Yeah……..see……….preventing drownings is a real problem for ya like I said.
No dead kiddies………..no talking points
The problem is that WE on this site get blamed
Rightly so. Anyone with a brain knew what would happen if Rudd abolished the Pacific Solution.
That is what TB, Walrus, Splatterbum, Reb, TomR, Kittylittler et al voted for in 2007.
“That is what TB, Walrus, Splatterbum, Reb, TomR, Kittylittler et al voted for in 2007.”
Did your mum finally run out of high rotation episodes of Playschool ?
Walrus
Just admit you got it wrong in 2007. If you do that you will be doing something nobody who votes for the ALP will ever do- they got it wrong.
With,,,,you pathetic bunch its not the outcomes that count anyway its the `Team` and possible talking points,,,,
# ,, careful you don`t chop ya`own head off with that sword you`re swinging blubbers, it has a very sharp `back-edge`
“Just admit you got it wrong in 2007.”
I already have you nit wit !
Now tell ya mum to contact me directly so I can get some high rotation loop recordings of Humphrey B Bear over to your joint.
had,,,,to be dragged kicking and screaming to the truth. Here is a clue,,,,
# ,, if the-ronald does even a `half-decent` job between now and next clowntown election; you folks entrenched in the echo chamber may find `our` rustbelt train steaming into clowntown sooner than you ever dreamed; putting remaining teabumpkins, teabags and teabag-lite together on the opposition bench; and NO, the clowntown press pack won`t see it coming either. #yaaay.team
“The problem is that WE on this site get blamed … and called names … WE are well aware of what happened and WE complained about it at the time … “
Yeah TB I can still remember your shrill denunciation of Rudd at the time and I am constantly amazed at your vigilance in calling out ALP and leftist types who want to weaken the current border protection policy. Or not.
Actually, I don’t care if YOU get blamed. You lie down with dogs, you end up a dogfucker.
None of that affects the abject failure of the murderous pricks to own up for the consequences of their actions, much less show any contrition. Even more contemptible are those still pushing to restart the gruesome trade with onshore processing.
The question you asked is what have “your lot” (and they are anything but my lot) done? The answer I gave is that they stopped the drownings. Apparently you didn’t like hearing that but you can hardly complain that discussing the drownings was irrelevant. Stoping the ALP drawings was a major achievement. Hell even Gillard and Bowen tried but they were too stupid and gormless to do any good.
“How would we know they if they’ve actually stopped?”
People don’t drown if they don’t get on rickety boats. The boats have stopped leaving Indonesia, essentially because the people smugglers have been deprived of a product to sell. Julian Turdisde and the rest of the refugee advocacy industry are desperate to reverse this position and so spend their days faking moral outrage in an effort to change the policy and put the smugglers back in business..
The,,,,boats have stopped leaving,,,, #bullshit they`re just diverted to different routes. The sacks-of-crap that make up the clowntown govt don`t give a flying fcuk about their `own` citizens. The `pretense` they `care` about drowned foreigners (often whom they were bombing) is only swallowed by splattering imbeciles, hook, line and sinker. All the govt has done is convinced you to become a racist-by-stealth, and you aint bright enough to realize it. #teabags
All the govt has done is convinced you to become a racist-by-stealth
What has race got to do with the topic?
“What has race got to do with the topic?”
Neil………..Dont feed the Troll……….. Neil dont feed the Troll
“How would we know they if they’ve actually stopped?”
Because there are still people waiting in Indo for a policy change so they can jump on a boat again.
OK, in four years the present government has “stopped the boats” … that’s a good thing we all agree … I’m surprised the LNP slogan wasn’t:
“Stop the Drownings!”
This year seems to be:
We Do Nothing!
Maybe I should ask … In four years what haven’t they done? (And sb, they are YOUR lot … you spend way too much time defending THEM – and looking down your nose at criticism of Big Business, Banks, Financial and Insurance) … here comes that double edge from wally!
Whump!
Actually, I don’t care if YOU get blamed. You lie down with dogs, you end up a dogfucker.
Can’t help yourself … I love a lack of self control … and mean-spiritedness … makes for a much more reasoned and logical discussion … Or not.
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What has race got to do with the topic?
# ,, John-w successfully founded `boat-hatred` based on all the english speaking, white skinned, blue eyed, blond haired boaties that frighten the racial puritans goose stepping within his teabag party. Thank dog we have sweet eric and sweet corey defending his legacy. #yaaay.freedom
“YOUR lot … you spend way too much time defending THEM – and looking down your nose at criticism of Big Business, Banks, Financial and Insurance”
I suppose they are” MY lot” too
Even though I do seem to recall a rant of mine covering Oligopolies and Duopolies like the 4 “Pillars”, the 2 Supermarkets, the 2 petrol compnanies, the 2 political partiers and finally the 2 fucking breweries.
How soon we forget
“I love a lack of self control … and mean-spiritedness … makes for a much more reasoned and logical discussion….”
ROFLMAO…………..If anyone has a lack of self control and mean spiritedness its your Lefty mates over in da USA letting out the greatest collective whinge and tanty in all of human history just because your favourite gal Hillary failed to get over the line……….LOL
Mike Moore being fucking idiot again
How soon we forget
You assumed that my reply to sb included you … I suppose they are” MY lot” too
And then put words into other people’s comments … you suppose, believe, expect, assume, reckon and conclude way too much, wally …
If anyone has a lack of self control and mean spiritedness its your Lefty mates
I have no lefty mates in the USA … or don’t you comprehend my comments? Ever?
I think the USA is populated by childish morons – hence the childishly obnoxious, tweeting misogynist, racially biased, profit oriented, nationalist President Elect … BTW! a REPUBLICAN that you obviously haven’t comprehended yet …
I’m with Alexander! $41,000 is a LOT of money for 20 yo to save!
Whaterver happened to service? Oh, that’s right … PROFITeering!
http://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/buying/first-homebuyer-loses-41000-deposit-after-nab-cancels-loan/news-story/5b4d4e392b12ff6978d37e62c05bd979
“Having said that, Abbott did stop the drownings.”
Link!
Oh, thats right, you can’t prove it can you because they won’t tell us
Oh, and the boats are still coming. Recall the last election, and they revealed it to us, to stoke the fear up a notch
“BTW! a REPUBLICAN that you obviously haven’t comprehended yet …”
ROFLMAO……he’s about as Republican as Pauline Hanson is LNP………not much
It really gets to you how your hero Hillary didn’t make the grade LOL
“Oh, thats right, you can’t prove it can you because they won’t tell us ”
You really should stay in more.
The ABC has done plenty in regards to people waiting to jump on boats at first sign of change. Especially during the last election as did other media outlets. That’s why Billy Boy’s ALP voted to retain LNP policy…….or claimed to.
I think the USA is populated by childish morons
So TB is clearly a racist.
“……….with Mr Tashevski-Beckwith insisting that the bank entered into a contract with him through its employee and must now uphold its end of the deal….”
What’s this “insisting” bit. You either have a written loan approval which is all signed or you dont.
Sounds to me like he had no written documentation/loan agreement. Just a “verbal undertaking” from some goose who had no authority to guarantee anything outside bank guidelines.
“… or don’t you comprehend my comments? Ever?”
Yeah……….but I’m not the only one
It really gets to you how your hero Hillary didn’t make the grade LOL
Your comprehension has really become worse … Yeah……….but I’m not the only one
Paranoia has increased too ..
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So TB is clearly a racist.
Since when was moronic a race? Or children?
Still no sincere apology either.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
…from some goose who had no authority to guarantee anything outside bank guidelines … who was employed by NAB who have a duty of care for actions of its employees … (later terminated or not!) …
I’d appeal to your compassion for the young bloke but then you immediately jump to the defence of the bank … something about Profiteers …
This is not a case of caveat emptor … its a case of fraud … how much profit did NAB suck out of the economy last year? (And how much did it have to pay back?)
You referred to a population
“I’d appeal to your compassion for the young bloke but then you immediately jump to the defence of the bank”
If anyone has a comprehension problem its you.
I merely pointed out there is NO…………that is CAPITAL “N”……………….CAPITAL “O” mention of a written loan agreement.
In the absence of any documentation I will reserve my judgement
But what sort of idiot proceeds on the basis of (I note) an alleged verbal “Yes” despite being told the loan is outside guidelines ?
Even if it was within the sqm guidelines you’d still be an idiot to proceed.
TB……………”Defender of the Idiot”
You referred to a population
You referred to a race … populations are often made up many races … Jesus Christ this is hard!
Not hard to prove the bank has a duty of care …
TB……………”Defender of the Idiot”
Ya, reckon?
“Not hard to prove the bank has a duty of care … ”
Really…..so where is the signed loan agreement ?
All I can see from your post is an alleged conversation and an alleged “Yes” from an ex employee.
So from contract exchange until settlement ( usually 6 weeks in NSW…Victoria ?) he didn’t bother to confirm his loan in writing ?
Like I said
TB……………”Defender of the Idiot”
Is religion a race?
And is it racist to say you dislike Greeks or Germans or Iranians?
And with your typical broad brush bigotry you’ve insulted the people who elected Obama twice… as well as the majority of American voters who chose for Clinton.
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Is religion a race?
And is it racist to say you dislike Greeks or Germans or Iranians?
Are you and, wally, always a pair Fuckwits©, ToM, or just when you visit TGT?
Do you always have so many questions you can’t answer?
Do you just bumble through life, looking for the dream wave?
Do many people laugh at what you say?
Do you have a permanent grin?
Are your eyes constantly shifting?
Do you know how many questions you ask in a day?
Have you any idea how many banal simple questions you’ve asked me?
Did you know that most questions you ask have a simple straightforward answer?
Can even write two lines of poetry?
Do you always cheat when asked a question?
Did you know that the Earth is flat?
“Are you and, wally, always a pair Fuckwits©, ToM, ”
So much for your wish for “peaceful” discourse for the the New Year you Fucking Hypocritical Loser
So TB, you’re the one how thinks Americans are childish morons! But you hate been pressed for justification of your narrow minded bigotry.
Yes, “nearly” but not “quite”.
• Mexicans are dishonest (Trump)
• Americans are childish morons (TB)
But Trump is a racist, but TB (apparently) isn’t.
The ABC has done plenty in regards to people waiting to jump on boats at first sign of change.
Ever heard of a term “On Water Matters” dopey?
So TB, you’re the one how thinks Americans are childish morons! But you hate been pressed for justification of your narrow minded bigotry.
… I was doing fine … but you always think you’ll sneak an insult in … read your comments above “Idiot” … what do you expect? You think your glass house is shatterproof!
• Mexicans are dishonest (Trump)
• Americans are childish morons (TB)
Trump’s accusation is accusing Mexicans of criminal intent … (flaccid attempt at another insult)
I’m just saying USA citizens are in many ways childish and stupid (based on personal experiences) … and if I recall, you too have spent time there …
The USA like Australia is made up of many races (’cause of immigration, see!) and mostly Caucasian – the race I belong to … 😉
… white 79.96%, black 12.85%, Asian 4.43%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.97%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.18%, two or more races 1.61% Hispanic 15% …
… now Mexico …
… mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 62%, predominantly Amerindian 21%, Amerindian 7%, other 10% (mostly European)
See the difference … probably not … I suspect another inane question will follow … 🙄
“Ever heard of a term “On Water Matters” dopey?”
Seems to me you are the biggest Dope around these parts.
You reckon that Indonesia would not disclose drownings ?
Do you seriously think the ABC has not been seeking information if there was any ?
So all those news items about people waiting for a rule change/////////////………..are they paid extras are they ?
You truly are King Dope
Here’s your coronation crown……….it fits perfectly
Situation normal … can’t argue the point … attack the player … that lasted about two weeks … sets a standard … Or not!
I blame sb and his trolling … stirs the tories up and fks off to the jungle again …
So let’s follow the TB logic –
* On one hand he says – America is diverse, multicultural and there is really no such thing as an American “race”
* But he also says Americans are childish morons
What is it TB, are Americans diverse and therefore you can’t generalise about them, or somehow are Americans sufficiently homogenous that you can generalise about them?
What is it TB, are Americans diverse and therefore you can’t generalise about them, or somehow are Americans sufficiently homogenous that you can generalise about them?
There ya go inane questions …. !
You called me a racist …! Now I’m a general!
People generalise about everything!
You generalise about Brisbane all the time … you’ve never complained about being called a Mexican! Hombre!
Silly, obtuse questions … you said I couldn’t generalise about Americans … not me …
Answer your own twitter .. I don’t have an account … Praise Be !
ToM … I’ve played this sort of shit for a lifetime (with union reps, line managers, senior managers and consultants) … tuck it away … you’re firing blanks … it really doesn’t work! LOL!
“Situation normal … can’t argue the point … attack the player … that lasted about two weeks … sets a standard … Or not!”
Fuck you are truly an idiot that keeps on giving
And a hypocrite rolled into one pathetic parcel of bigotry
Thanks again for proving my point, wally! LOL!
Do you seriously think the ABC has not been seeking information if there was any ?
the abc? The same abc who asked questions before and got labelled “against us”
The same abc who pointed out the faults in the NBN and had that journalist removed?
the same abc who claimed SA lost it’s power because of Wind Farms lol
yea, they can ask “fearlessly” all they want. All they get is “On water matters”
So it seems that wally is happy being treated like a Mushroom. Seems legit!
“Jesus Christ this is hard!”
An exclamation I hear frequently from those first encountering my morning glory!
Well….you have no evidence of drownings.
Obviously that leaves you very disappointed. Without a floating dead 2 year old to hold up as a trophy you just have to accept there are no more boats coming.
Perhaps you might feel better becoming a citizen of the EU ?
“Thanks again for proving my point, wally! LOL!”
What that you cant hold back from being the first to use abusive language towards another poster in the New Year ?
We all knew you had a very low trigger point.
I’ve played this sort of shit for a lifetime
…and you’re still no good at it
Well….you have no evidence of drownings.
And you cannot prove there haven’t been.
This is the issue with secretive agendas.
Of course, you can trust what dutton says 😉
So why has the ALP adopted the turnback policies if they are soooooooooo ineffective.
I dont expect an answer as I’m tired of your stupid trolling
You still refuse to answer why the Indo et al have not shown evidence of any drownings or does Dutton and Bishop also control them ?
So just go away and get your jollies off to your photo collection of drowned 3 year olds (whilst you sit in the dark ).
You’ll probably feel better then
Like I said……..you love your “trophies”
“And you cannot prove there haven’t been.”
Exactly what would you accept as proof?
There are no reports of drownings, no mayday calls and no refugee boats reported as leaving leaving Indonesia for Australia. Most non-trolls would accept that it is reasonable to conclude that the drownings have stopped.
So why has the ALP adopted the turnback policies if they are soooooooooo ineffective.
Because they are gutless and folded to the concerted attack from the libs and the media on a problem too big for any of them to handle.
Exactly what would you accept as proof?
Well, answers to questions from journalists about what goes on out there would be a start.
https://newmatilda.com/2016/06/23/the-coalitions-border-security-lies-are-coming-undone/
So TomR’s view is
3 year old drowned victim washed up on a beach = Successful ALP policy (as per 2007 to 2013)
No drowned 3 year old washed up on a beach = Failure of LNP policy (as per 2013 to 2017)
6 years of drownings = Policy Success
4 years of no drownings = Policy Failure
That’s about as callous as any Lefty could expect.
In fact that’s channeling Lee Rhiannon from the Greens
So TomR’s view is
Nothing that evolves from your demented imagination, that’s fer sure 😉
Might I remind you that you are the only one around here that wants to return to something like 2007 to 2013 policies that saw 1200 estimated dead
And even the ALP agrees on that figure and its policy failure. That’s why its now adopted LNP policy.
Not because they are in your words “gutless” but because they are not callous like you are.
You really are down there with the dregs of the Left
Might I remind you that you are the only one around here that wants to return to something like 2007 to 2013 policies
Like I said, “Nothing that evolves from your demented imagination” is my view.
My preference is to go back way further than that, to before howards time, who started us down this path of national shame.
I was always in favour of the Malaysian Solution (which we find out even yabot is now, the psychotic asshole), but that was a solution brought on by the depths we had already sunk. Thanks again howard.
Malaysian Solution
Remind me again – that was supposed to stop the boats by sending people to Malaysia? How many was that? How many were we to take in the exchange?
that was supposed to stop the boats
No, it was to control the flow of people escaping tyranny. They are still trying to escape. We just made our country less appealing than almost anywhere else on earth, by making the life of those who escaped tyranny a living hell.
And for that, we should remain eternally shamed.
No, it was to control the flow of people escaping tyranny.
So Indonesia is tyrannical? Then why don’t the Indonesians come here by boat?
I was always in favour of the Malaysian Solution (which we find out even yabot is now, the psychotic asshole)
What you should be doing is apologise for abolishing the Pacific Solution which caused all this trouble. You should also apologise for telling lies about Abbott. What Abbott said is that no matter how much an abomination the Malaysian Solution was perhaps the govt of the day should be allowed to have it polices passed by the Senate.
So Indonesia is tyrannical?
nil, you truly are beyond hope
Mate you should be apoligising for abolishing the Pacific Solution.
But you never will.
Every rape, murder, acts of self harm in detention centers from 2008 is the responsibility of Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them
l see our `in-house` teabags are still trying to defend john-w`s boat-based racism by clubbing the pinkists with `fake` concern about drownings to try and hide their racism. #wankers
Well,,,,answers to questions from journalists about,,,,
# ,, yeah, good luck with that one team-cheerer
with `fake` concern about drownings to try and hide their racism. #wankers
Well i never mentioned the drownings but i am glad you did. There were 1,200 that we know off. Most probably 4 or 5 times more.
The thing that bugs me is the unfairness of it all. We have people in Indonesia with safe haven but $$$$$$10,000 to pay a smuggler to get to Australia while people in camps get told they cannot get into Australia because the boat people have jumped the queue.
Every rape, murder, acts of self harm in detention centers from 2008 is the responsibility of Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them
I assume you’ll hold howard and yabot etal to the same standards. But I’ll bet you won’t.
I assume you’ll hold howard and yabot etal to the same standards. But I’ll bet you won’t.
Well finally. The first hit of guilt emerges. But being a good ALP supporters you will never admit total responsibility.
Howard had been there and done that. He had solved the problem. You lot restarted the problem.
50,000 boat people latter, $15B latter, rapes, deaths and acts of self harm latter nobody from the ALP or the people who voted for that immoral party has ever admitted responsibility.
And ALP supporters never will. So there is no point in having an argument.