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Angry Pensioners slam Entitlements Cuts

February 13, 2017

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A GROUP of elderly people feel ‘victimised’ and ‘trapped’ after government cuts age pension entitlements.

Pensioners are up in arms after changes to the Age Pension assets test announced earlier this year mean that their age pension payments will be slashed.

“BETRAYED”

Jenny Freemantle, 65, said: “This has made me very angry. I’ve been a Liberal voter all my life and I feel very betrayed.”

“You’ve got all these young people sitting on the dole, and all these foreigners coming here to take our jobs and destroy our way of life. It’s a disgrace.”

“VICTIMISED”

Irene Bedford, 78, added: “We feel victimised by this, as we are the ones who have been working all our lives and now we’re being unfairly targeted because other people refuse to work.”

“ANGRY”

James McGuigan, 82, said: “This has made a lot of us, 14 to be exact, extremely angry as we are relying on pensions to get by.

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  1. February 13, 2017 4:46 pm

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  2. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2017 7:28 pm

    Gawd, strewth! Where did you get that lot from!

    Seriously the answer comes from New Zealand (oddly enough!) … I have a Kiwi friend 88 yo his wife 76 yo … they are asset rich but income poor – and can’t get the pension … it was his rants that led me to check what he was saying about the NZ system …

    In NZ a couple who reaches the age of 65 is entitled to $30,000 – period! No assets test, no income test.

    Australia’s pension is $34,000 but with many pitfalls for retirees … (I’m sick of advising people for free!)

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2017 8:10 pm

    But then that closely translates to a “living income” … for all those phantom checkout persons … and ghostly service station staff (I remember when two bob was needed to serve yourself petrol on SATURDAYS and SUNDAYS!) … and all those misty folk who built cars and parts …

    The world is changing – dramatically! Pity our politicians ALL COLOURS ALL CODES … don’t have the INTELLIGENCE to see beyond their noses or dicks!

    Do I sound angry? There’s a good reason … I’ve been experiencing (and suffering) the childish incompetence and wanker deceit of so-called “political leaders” for almost seven fkn decades … the standouts – Hawke and Keating!

  4. shaneinqld permalink
    February 13, 2017 8:15 pm

    This shows just what a dictator Pauline Hanson truly is. Does not surprise me one bit given how aggressive she is on telly.

  5. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2017 10:05 pm

    I don’t really have much pity on the pensioners any more. Time after time (thanks Cindy) they have been screwed over by the libs, yet they always come back for more. They are at the bottom of my list for any sympathies.

    Meanwhile, truth comes out. After yabot admitted that they voted down the Malaysian Solution for cheap politics (and killed who knows how many seeking asylum as a result), we now have the admission that it never WAS a Carbon Tax, which anybody with half a brain knew.

    Of course, they could never have pulled that off without the complicit support of the msm.

    Peta Credlin admits the climate change policy under Julia Gillard’s Labor government was never a carbon tax, but the coalition used that label to stir up brutal retail politics.
    Credlin, the former chief of staff to Tony Abbott when he was prime minister and now a political commentator for Sky News, said the coalition made it a “carbon tax” and a fight about the hip pocket rather than the environment.
    “That was brutal retail politics, and it took Abbott six months to cut through and when he did cut through Gillard was gone,” she told Sky News on Sunday.

    https://thewest.com.au/politics/carbon-tax-just-brutal-politics-credlin-ng-s-1674127

  6. February 13, 2017 10:56 pm

    “I don’t really have much pity on the pensioners any more”

    Neither do I.

    They were quite happy to vote for the Libs when their target was the young and unemployed, foreigners or same sex couples.

    Now suddenly they’ve got the shits cause their pensions have been cut.

    Bet that won’t stop them from voting for them again tho.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2017 11:29 pm

    Where do these twisted voters come from … The Walking Dead? Oh, wait!

  8. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2017 6:42 am

    So, there’s ALREADY an EXTRA $50Billion tax cut, even before harbourside goes through with his selfish $50 billion grift to big business.

    And the poor just keep getting kicked.

    Tax sink hole: Gas multinationals claim $50 billion more in relief credits in a year

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-sink-hole-gas-multinationals-claim-50-billion-more-in-relief-credits-in-a-year-20170213-gubmfv.html

    And they just can’t stop themselves protecting their mates.

    The Turnbull government will change native title laws to protect land use agreements thrown into doubt by a recent court ruling, including a controversial deal between Adani and traditional owners of its proposed Queensland mine site.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/13/coalition-to-change-native-title-laws-to-protect-mining-and-agriculture-deals?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  9. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2017 6:51 am

    Bet that won’t stop them from voting for them again tho.

    Nope. Most are relegated to reading murdochs rags, or watching today tonight, ploughing the lib line between vapid stories of fighting neighbours, and here in SA, constant bitching about a hospital that sprung a leak in bathroom 7A on the fourth floor, or has wallpaper sagging in corridor East A.

    It’s all quite depressing really

  10. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2017 6:52 am

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2017 8:08 am

    here in SA…

    I’m currently in Adelaide and it’s far more civilised than Brisbane or Perth.

    But it seems very 80s. In Sydney and Melbourne there has been a lot of buildimg development. I can’t see much here..

    That’s not a bad thing, the city is nicely preserved. But the lack of brand new glass towers probably suggests a lack of business investment.

    I’m just sitting in a cafe on King William St and thinking that the people here seem entirely normal. It’s so refreshing after being in Brisbane so often!

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2017 8:13 am

    And no doubt Tom R will be criticising Nick Xenephon today as the CFMEU has full page adverts in The Advertiser attacking him!

  13. February 14, 2017 11:35 am

    “”I’m currently in Adelaide and it’s far more civilised than Brisbane or Perth.””

    This is true.

    I quite like Adelaide. It has the charm and character of Hobart but on a slightly larger scale. Also the people ‘seem’ quite normal as you rightly point out.

    HOWEVER!

    Have you tasted their tap water? It tastes like shit!

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2017 3:28 pm

    Yes, Adelaide is civilised. People don’t wear white shoes, bermuda shorts with Hawaiian shirts tucked in.

    I didn’t see a single all you can eat buffet.

    Very refreshing! How unfortunate that I have to go to Brisbane for a couple of days.

  15. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2017 6:36 pm

    And no doubt Tom R will be criticising Nick Xenephon today as the CFMEU has full page adverts in The Advertiser attacking him!

    That was so yesterday. Today it’s the human headline in the headlights.

    Not that xeno doesn’t deserve it, it’s just that he’s been done and roasted already.

    I can’t see much here..

    You mean like the hospital, the tunnel under the parklands, or the South road extensions?

    I didn’t see a single all you can eat buffet.

    Again, you just need to know where to look. The burbs is where that is at. (Salisbury etc, the classy joints)

  16. February 14, 2017 6:48 pm

    No defence of the tap water Tom? 🙂

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2017 7:38 pm

    I didn’t try the tap water! Next time that pleasure awaits,

    Tomorrow evening I’m off to Brisbane for 2 days of slumming it, bad taste, bogan infested, humid misery

  18. February 14, 2017 7:49 pm

    “2 days of bad taste, bogan infested, humid misery”

    So after you’ve visited the tourist attractions, then what …?

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    February 14, 2017 9:14 pm

    Again, you just need to know where to look.

    Not a mention of the pie and pea floaters, TR … obviously a narrow minded perspective on lifestyle … I graduated in Adelaide and confess I found the city underwhelming … but the country around it is fascinating!

    Bit like Brisbane … I never venture into the CBD – unless someone wants to hand over cash …

    Seems the Mexicans visit a motel and a pub and that’s how we all live … some people can’t see past their noses or dicks …

    Spent the day in the countryside alongside a local river crossing with a couple of friends … glass of wine (or two), BBQd porterhouse steaks, salad and home made apple pie …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    “2 days of bad taste, bogan infested, humid misery”

    Sounds like you have some issues with whoever books your trips, ToM … try a hotel in the CBD … rather than the Salvo hostel in downtown South Brisbane … or give me a call and I’ll tell you where to go … 🙂

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2017 9:58 pm

    Adelaide hotels are quality, with an old world charm. Hotels in Brisbane have the charm of Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    February 14, 2017 11:45 pm

    ho hum …

  22. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2017 6:28 am

    No defence of the tap water Tom?

    I’m not getting in a fight I know I can’t win.

    But we’ve got Coopers. That mare than makes up for it 😉

    I find it interesting that the revelation that Credlin never considered the Carbon Price to be a tax is largely ignored by the msm, particularly in light of recent price signals perpetrated by the fossil fuel generators.

    It is as disinteresting to them as yabots revelation that they shouldn’t have voted against the Malaysian solution.

    Such hypocrisy and raw political machinations are just ‘meh’ to our msm (except if Shorten dares not succumb to the grubmints ‘agenda’)

  23. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2017 6:39 am

    Seems the Mexicans visit a motel and a pub and that’s how we all live

    Yep, after being to a few capitals, I’m amazed how similar they all are. My favourite (to visit) is Sydney. Love the Harbour, the activity, and the swirling streets. They’d drive me crazy if I had to live there though. And their zoo. Where Giraffes get a million dollar view to chew leaves. But there is something surreal watching the animals with the Opera House and Bridge in the background. It’s also a good workout for the calves 🙂

    And I guess I was lucky as Adelaide had a very vibrant music scene back when I into the out. Although, from what I hear now, it is still pretty strong. Mad March is on all year round, it’s just not as much or as centralized.

  24. Shane in QLD permalink
    February 15, 2017 6:39 am

    ToM

    When in Brisbane I stay at the Treasury Hotel. Absolutely beautiful in my opinion. But then I like old world buildings with heritage and history that have huge rooms you can actually walk around in with massively high ceilings and large marble bathrooms, rather than a tiny box all white and sterile with a few chrome fittings to make it look flash which is the Hilton or the Sofitel. The Treasury Hotel is the best hotel I have stayed in the whole of Australia and at most times cheaper than the other big names who offer far less in amenities and size.

  25. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2017 6:40 am

    For the conspiracy theorists

    Although, with the news yesterday of someone being booted for collusion (?) with the Ruskies, who knows

    https://toe.prx.org/2017/01/885/

  26. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2017 6:42 am

    Shane, yomm would be lost without his chrome fittings, you just know it.

    I think to him, that is ‘class’ 😉

  27. February 15, 2017 9:33 am

    “”I never venture into the CBD – unless someone wants to hand over cash …””

    😯

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2017 10:38 am

    We watched Goldstone last night … the Aussie outback “thriller”(?) … it’s very slow and very tame but the scenery is spectacular!

    If you really want to see our country it’s not in the cities (especially the CBDs) … its out west in the desert … (north from Taswegia, SA and Mexico … east from WA … NT head south …)

    The USA is the same the scenery away from the cities is spectacular … come to think of it every country I’ve visited is more interesting out of the city!

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    “”I never venture into the CBD – unless someone wants to hand over cash …””

    Translation: You’d have to fkn pay me …

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2017 11:49 am

    Check out Trump’s policy advisor Stephen Miller on YouTube … frightening stuff!

    What’s next – Nacht der langen Messer?

  30. shaneinqld permalink
    February 15, 2017 1:06 pm

    “”I never venture into the CBD – unless someone wants to hand over cash …””

    Now what is your profession in the CBD when you take cash Reb ?

  31. February 15, 2017 5:50 pm

    That’s what I was wondering Shane..

    Drug dealer?

    Male gigolo…??

    Times must be tough in the TB household…. 😉

  32. February 15, 2017 6:52 pm

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  33. February 15, 2017 8:23 pm

    Hey teabags, l`m still lovin the-ronald, season-one is fan-fcuking-tabulous! Every nite l turn on my abc fake-news and laugh until my sides hurt at the foaming and frothing. l particularly enjoyed it when pauline started TRUMPeting `drain-the billabong` last week, and blib and talkbull puffed themselves up and started mimicing some of the-ronalds slogans/ tuff-talk, and `serving citizens`. #chuckle But didn`t the teabag-panic set-in when sweet corey left the teabags to `make-australia great-again`. #guffaw then to top it all off, some chick is running under a `frexit` banner in france, and doing well. (-: #globalteabagpanic

    Save the-swampers on twitter are also producing some minor, tho very fine comedy too! Here`s a taste. (-:

    ,

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2017 8:46 pm

    Male gigolo…??

    Times must be tough in the TB household….

    🙂

    Someone has to pay for the new lounge, new TV, new water fkn tank! (and install it!)

    🙂

  35. February 15, 2017 9:17 pm

    Even tho they`re demented old cnuts, l don`t want them thrown into destitution. l also don`t subscribe to the way the teabags operate. Cut everybody`s throat so we can loot it for teh-rich. Most of claiming to be christian while they do it. Neither do l subscribe to the fund-retired, or fund handicapped (but not both, which is how it`s being sold this week) while refusing to collect $26-bill on gas exports, and more corporate gifting.

    And yes, before teebz jumps down my throat, they `are` demented old cnuts, anybody who says ,,,,been a Liberal voter all my life,,,, is a fcuking dill that only mindlessly team cheers, and can`t tell the difference between `national-management` and a fcuking footy match.

    While this ,,,,other people refuse to work,,,, fiction, is being swallowed by the other demented old dill, that cannot, under their own steam, work out that times are very different since `they was a boy/girl`, and there just aint the jobs. But let`s not be too hard on those being eased into senility with fake-news being constantly brayed at them. (-:

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2017 10:01 pm

    Something keeps popping into my head … if privatisation and free markets are so good, why do we need “regulators” to set the price for power costs, private health costs, water costs, and whatever costs of LIVING that I’ve missed?

    But doesn’t a regulator smack of communism? If the free market is so good why don’t we have a free market?

    These should be government provided services in a democracy anyway … but they have abrogated their responsibility to govern … so they can concentrate on staying in power to do NOTHING …

    The personal attacks on Bill Shorten tell a massive story … the government is frightened, incompetence, lacks creativity and leadership – because it is so ideologically driven by its master – BIG business (check out CBA’s massive 2% increase profit and increase in interest rates)… so its “play the man” (Bill Shorten) not the ball (policies) … because Bill Shorten has answers and Malcolm Turnbull is a profiteering investor – businessman my arse, wouldn’t last a week in any good business – dithering Dickhead© …

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2017 10:09 pm

    And yes, before teebz jumps down my throat …

    What for? “Demented old c**ts that still vote for the Libs” … ? Maybe “some demented old dicks” who vote Liberal might be better … but you knew that … just not creative enough to figure it out …

    Questions – what does old actually mean to you? Why do older people automatically have to be “demented” … ?

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2017 10:28 pm

    … so its “play the man”

    Honestly TB, you amaze me with your bias on occesions. I suppose all the “Mr Harborside mansion” is all about policies and not “playing the man”?

    …and by the way, I think you mean “it’s”

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2017 10:52 am

    I suppose all the “Mr Harborside mansion”

    You should ask Peta Credlin … its her name for TurnAbbott

    Honestly TB, you amaze me with your bias on occesions

    And you amaze me with your naivety – constantly …

    BTW, I think you meant occasions …

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 16, 2017 11:38 am

    So the Shorten os so unoriginal that he’s unable to come up with his own nickname

    What a dill.

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2017 11:57 am

    What?

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 16, 2017 3:37 pm

    British Airways to cut travel perks for employees who remain on strike

    Sounds fair.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/15/british-airways-tries-to-break-strike-by-threatening-to-cut-staff-perks

  43. February 16, 2017 4:21 pm

    From his balcony on his harbourside mansion, talkbull often claims rising tides `lift` all boats. While blib is not an answer to anything either, he is correct to rubbish talkbull, who can only see the rising `luxury` boats, and not those financially drowning.

    During the new calendar break, my neighbor told me some things that puts both blib and talkbulls s.t.e.m bullshit into doubt. She told of one of her classmates from her uni-days. He was going along okay financially by working multiple low-paid (junk)jobs. He finally landed a uni-level, uni-pay job, so he quit his 2or3or4 (l don`t actually know how many) pleb-jobs to `do-better` at the uni-level job. Now like me, everybody would think that`s the correct thing to do, right? Nope, wrong. The uni-job was only for 26/28-weeks, then sacked, and the cnuts at the interview/s said it was full-time/long-term. He is now WORSE-off by ditching the pleb-jobs and taking the so-called `better` job. Any `gain` he received in pay has fully evaporated, life up-ended, scambling to just get `work`. Would have definitely been better-off financially staying in the pleb-jobs.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2017 4:39 pm

    the Tories big campaign against Bill Shorten is really picking up … he must have them panicking … the funny thing is – he doesn’t have to do anything … the Liberals are their own worst enemies .

    Back to the Unions Boo!

    Last night, the Senate voted to strengthen our reforms to Australia’s third largest industry, the building industry.
    https://www.liberal.org.au/?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=5432b6f7df-Standing+up+to+bullies&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-5432b6f7df-57938261
    T,
    Last night, the Senate voted to strengthen our reforms to Australia’s third largest industry, the building industry. Read more here (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2017/02/16/government-strengthens-building-industry-reforms?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=5432b6f7df-Standing+up+to+bullies&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-5432b6f7df-57938261) .

    In the last year, the Coalition Government has successfully passed four key pieces of legislation to help everyday Australians needing protection from powerful union bosses.
    * We protected 35,000 owner operator truck drivers (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2016/04/19/coalition-bill-puts-truckies-back-road?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=5432b6f7df-Standing+up+to+bullies&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-5432b6f7df-57938261) by abolishing a tribunal established by Bill Shorten that was driving them out of business.
    * We protected 60,000 Country Fire Authority volunteer firefighters (https://www.facebook.com/SenatorCash/photos/a.210874455604932.63524.204751982883846/1567637033261994/?type=3&theater&utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=5432b6f7df-Standing+up+to+bullies&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-5432b6f7df-57938261) from hostile union takeover.
    * We passed legislation that will make it much harder for union officials to misuse members’ money (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2016/11/22/parliament-delivers-protection-and-accountability-members-registered?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=5432b6f7df-Standing+up+to+bullies&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-5432b6f7df-57938261) .
    * We have reformed the building industry (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2016/11/30/coalition-delivers-promise-restore-australian-building-and-construction?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=5432b6f7df-Standing+up+to+bullies&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-5432b6f7df-57938261) to protect 1.1 million construction workers, 300,000 small businesses and all taxpayers from union thuggery.

    In each case, Labor did the bidding of the union bosses. When it comes to standing up to union bullies, Mr Shorten has shown he is the weakest Labor leader in decades.

    By contrast, the Coalition has made a clear statement – our economy and our country will not be held to ransom.

    When union bosses step on everyday Australians, we will stand up to them.

    Regards,

    Michaelia Cash
    Minister for Employment

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  45. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2017 4:41 pm

    Would have definitely been better-off financially staying in the pleb-jobs.

    … “definitely” … ??? Who knows … BTW its written … STEM not s.t.e.m. … I can olny assume you know the meaning of the acronym …

  46. February 16, 2017 4:53 pm

    ,,,,Who knows,,,, yes HE does know DEFINITELY, as HE told my neightbour #isThisAnExampleOfNonSenility (-:

    +++++

    With many things in the fake-news, `frexit`, teabag-built dam in california, dodgey air-traffic control, and sham contracting in his own town, the in-house dumbfcuk thinks britannia-air workers need to be the `focus`

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2017 7:00 pm

    #isThisAnExampleOfStupidStatements

    No-one could tell what “your neighbour’s friend’s” future would be -especially you – (three handed fact checking!) … that he couldn’t lose all his “pleb” jobs in the same 26 week period … ? Possible or Probable …

    Not sure what your point is – beware applying for better jobs? – businesses can fail? – check the honesty of employers? – don’t study, ignorance is good? – casual employment is great? – casual employment is more reliable than full time? – or even part time work? … the country is on very, very slippery slope into Sewerage Creek managed by dem rich boys wot got all de money, and a big boat ! ??? All we got is dem barbed wire canoe tings and no fkn paddle!

    Give us all a clue …

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2017 7:10 pm

    And the NEGATIVE GEARING farce rolls on …

    Turnbull toughened his response to echo the finance minister’s line.

    “I can confirm the statement by the finance minister this morning was absolutely correct and the government has no intention or plan to change capital gains tax or negative gearing,” the prime minister told the house.

    “That has been our position, is our position, the only party with a commitment to increasing capital gains tax and abolishing negative gearing is the Labor party.”

    But the Liberal backbencher John Alexander, who has been leading an internal push on housing affordability, declared negative gearing and CGT needed to be on the table. “All of these things should be considered,” Alexander told Guardian Australia.

    He said when he had first sought to have a parliamentary inquiry into home ownership, he’d had a debate with the then treasurer, Joe Hockey, who didn’t want the process to examine negative gearing. “The point that I argued was it’s pointless to do something if you’re not going to look at that,” Alexander said Thursday.

    “It’s a very major part of what forms the market price of housing in Australia, because more than a third of it is held by investors who have access to negative gearing. The other factor is the discount on capital gains tax, which is another incentive for investors.

    “Taking away the advantages of the investor by how much money they can borrow, and therefore how much money they can deduct … and also looking at the capital gains tax situation, to me is just, you know, so obvious that we need to do these things.”

    Alexander said there were “components of Ponzi-ism to our housing market, and we’ve got to bring reality back to it”.

    My bold.,

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/16/malcolm-turnbull-rules-out-changes-to-capital-gains-tax-or-negative-gearing

    Blackmail Australian taxpayers with more tax … but maintain tax breaks for investors? GMAFB!

    Australian society is being screwed by investor politicians! Investment is not productive … it is theft! Of our homes, our resources, our environment, our lifestyle and our environment!

    How could anyone support a Prime Meddler who invests in the Cayman Islands and then says “investment is good for Australia”? Hypocrisy writ large!

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2017 8:32 pm

    Compare this to … Mr Harbourside Mansion …

    Nasty is as Nasty does …

    This is “playing the man not the ball”, Tom … if you can’t tell the difference … then you are a True Tory …

    What we saw there was the biggest glass jaw in Australian politics. We had his snivelling personal explanation earlier in the week, almost bursting into tears that the mean people on the government side had said nasty things about him.

    He can’t take it and he can’t take the truth about his own hypocrisy, and there he is, standing up here, abusing the standing orders, defying the Speaker to give his torrent of abuse. Well, I will say this, Mr Speaker.

    If the honourable member for Watson wants to know what my views are or my party’s views are on those issues, then you look to us, and we stand for a non-discriminatory immigration program, we stand behind Australia, the most successful multicultural society in the world. We support the United States Alliance, the bedrock of our security, which is not what the Greens party supports.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/feb/16/reports-coalition-planning-cut-to-capital-gains-discount-to-fix-budget-politics-live

    Private school bullying nastiness, enhanced by a Catholic church belief, encased in Liberal Party Tory hypocrisy!

    MALfunction showing his real colours! How hard that must have been for the last two years – even nastier than the that Dickhead Abbott!

    Turncoat – fucked the Republic Referendum now he’s fucking Australia!

    Go home to the Cayman Islands where you really belong!

  50. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2017 9:17 pm

    Xenephon sues CFMEU

    Yep, line em up. Has xeno got the AFP onto them yet lol

  51. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2017 9:38 pm

    This is “playing the man not the ball”, Tom … if you can’t tell the difference …

    Yep, while the ‘harbourside’ jab has the undercurrent of the personal, it is used primarily directly relating to policy, the 1% bleeding the 99% drier. harboursides attack was pure venom, with no point other than to try and humiliate. And I think it’s clear people see that. Even if the msm refuse to.

    And harbousides whole gutless attitude came into glaring clarity today when he said wtte “Question Time is not a time for questions” lol

    Mr SHORTEN (Maribyrnong—Leader of the Opposition) (14:52): My question is to the Prime Minister. Has the Prime Minister’s office, the Treasurer’s office or the finance minister’s office, or any junior Treasury minister’s office, requested any advice or any modelling in relation to capital gains tax changes?

    Mr TURNBULL (Wentworth—Prime Minister) (14:52): The business of government is not going to be delved into by this fishing expedition. The reality is that, as the honourable member knows, Treasury officials—

    The SPEAKER: The Manager of Opposition Business on a point of order.

    Mr Burke: If we are not allowed to ask questions—

    The SPEAKER: No, on a point of order.

    Mr Burke: On a point of order on ministerial responsibility according to Practice: if we are not allowed to ask about the business of government, why are we here?

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansardr%2F345ee0b5-7f9d-47ea-a37c-53d1b10edff0%2F0157;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F345ee0b5-7f9d-47ea-a37c-53d1b10edff0%2F0000%22

    I haven’t seen the news, but I’ll assume that bit won’t get any airtime.

  52. February 16, 2017 9:47 pm

    country,,,,is on very, very slippery slope into Sewerage Creek,,,,

    Well that`s the closest you got, too busy skimming and trying to get a `gotcha` l suppose.

    Not,,,,sure what your point is,,,, The point is folks need to be careful pursuing so-called stem-degree(with 50K to 100K hex-debt attached) and think they won`t be crapped-on in a really big way, need to think HARD. All l did was show you one of the ways somebody HAS already been crapped-on. Other than that, take it as you want. But to me it still looks as tho a uni-degree (with hex-debt, plus govt fetish for offshoring, plus china and india producing shitloads of stem-trained,) won`t be of much help to most. #subprimeEmployment #junkjobs

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2017 7:31 am

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2017 7:34 am

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2017 7:44 am

    I must have missed the media headlines that should have shrieked following this story. Democracy? More a fraud on the people!

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2017 8:13 am

    https://twitter.com/ReclaimAnglesea/status/

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2017 9:21 am

    Some group is contributing to 2 parties!!

    What a scandal!! I’ve never heard of that before!! Except for the a range of unions that contribute to the ALP and Greens.

  58. Shane in QLD permalink
    February 17, 2017 9:41 am

    ToM

    With the wages BA are paying their cabin crew its no wonder they are going on strike. What is BA Management earning at the same time?

  59. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 9:43 am

    ToM

    If you cannot see the difference between a union contributing to two parties just like business do, and a political party doing it then there is no hope for you.

  60. February 17, 2017 10:25 am

    Shane, as far as l`m concerned, they all seem to `lawfully` engage in secret funding. Donations are not declared to the voter until it is `too-late`, which seems to be about 18-months post-election. This is yet again showing the actual stupidity of the lot of them. l reckon there would be large voting rewards for those that `declared` instantaneously their `received` donation details to voters. lt would seize great moral high-ground.

  61. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 10:45 am

    Drain

    I agree. Ban all donations from anyone. Politicians from 60 years ago and before would be turning in their graves to see how parliament has become a greed centre for career politicians rather than a place for the benefit of all its citizens. Claiming you need to pay a fortune for the best is utter garbage. High remuneration does not automatically result in common sense or fairness, it breeds greed and theft. Just look at CEOs of business these days.

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2017 12:25 pm

    It’s the right of BA cabin crew to go on strike and it’s the right of BA to retaliate by withdrawing travel perks.

    That’s why I said it seemsreasonable

    Cabin crew generally live off their travel allowances rather than their wages.

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2017 12:27 pm

    Shane

    I don’t believe it. You said something i agree with. Politicians used to work for nothing apparently. Paying them good incomes does not necessarily lead to a quality govt.

    But the job is tough. I think the work is interesting but you lose privacy for your personal life. You would have to offer me at least $1M/year before i would even think about running for govt. I guess we should be grateful that some people want to do it otherwise we would be in trouble.

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2017 12:28 pm

    I presume the donations were legal.

    Unions provide both donations and affiliation fees to the ALP. The recent analysis has only focussed on donations. That’s just a small part of the total funding they provide to the ALP.

    Unions are seriously conflicted

  65. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 12:40 pm

    Tom

    The ALP was created BY THE UNIONS how is it a conflict. The unions are NOT another political party. Paying funds from one party to another is simply buying legislation, even more underhanded than donations.

  66. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 12:58 pm

    Neil

    There are thousands of volunteers who work for the good of the community for free in all walks of life. They do not need massive salaries to perform their community work, they do it because they believe in what they do. I do understand that politicians should be paid a salary, but it should be no more than twice the average ( the real average) salary of workers. All expenses need to be valid and the same as employees. Wage rises should be the same as all of the rest of the public servants. Super should be the same as the rest of us. Maybe the actual PM should get a bit more but no one else. This way they would be true politicians living the same as the rest of us instead of closeted millionaires at the taxpayers expense. How dare they claim a daily allowance simply to turn up to work. Blood sucking leeches the lot of them.

    I have no doubt there are many good people who would do a good job for 1/4 of what they are paid now. Problem is those currently in there seek to destroy anyone who is not in the greed club. Anyone who is elected seems to be brow beaten into submission or gets the greed bug.

  67. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 1:00 pm

    ToM

    You are aware that the LNP gave the new senators from the minor parties and independents 3 extra staff each. Just another bribe as well and more taxpayers money.

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2017 1:01 pm

    As the late Jihn Button said- it’s time for an amicable divorce between unions and the ALP.

    Unions aren’t the mass representatives they once were and the ALP should realise this. The ALP could include a.range of other representative organisations but unions won’t have thwir.voting rights diluted. That’s why the ALP is just a subsiduary of groups like the CFMEU

  69. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 1:14 pm

    No matter what your rhetoric and rant the unions created the ALP. Then you rant about their influence. The unions are still the largest representatives of employees in Australia much to the LNP hatred and vilification of them along with the removal of rights of employees and attempted destruction of them to force all employees to be slaves without representation while all businesses have representation including myself of an association that is just a union under another name and unlike a union member I CANNOT operate my business unless I belong to the association under government law so go figure that out. If I am not a member I lose my licence. Talk about laughable hypocrisy.

    It is time for an amicable divorce of all donations from all political parties.

  70. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 1:20 pm

    Neil

    In relation to loss of privacy I tend to agree, however they lost their privacy many years ago as well and were not paid millions of dollars. It is a choice, as well as their own fault. Both the big parties have dirt units trying to dredge up anything and everything against their opponents or their families. Instead of debating legislation they turn personal and nasty and that is their own fault for brining it on themselves due to their own actions.

  71. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 1:21 pm

    Sorry Anna you will now lose whatever respect I had for you.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/anna-bligh-to-head-banking-lobby-group-20170217-guf8f9.html

    ABA just another union ToM

  72. February 17, 2017 1:38 pm

    while,,,,all businesses have representation including myself of an association that is just a union under another name and unlike a union member I CANNOT operate my business unless I belong to the association under government law,,,,

    # ,, oh shane, you shouldn`t have spilled those beans, we have been enjoying his stupidity for years, based on him not knowing that.

    time,,,,for an amicable divorce of all donations,,,,

    # ,, while ethically l agree shane, tho l would like to know the `hit` to treasury/ taxpayers before giving it the final green light. At least with proper transparency, we voters would get to know `before` we vote if both talkbull `and` blib are owned by the banks, for example.

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2017 1:46 pm

    but it should be no more than twice the average ( the real average) salary of workers

    You overlook one point. They have no job security. They could lose their jobs every 3 years. And then what?

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2017 2:27 pm

    They have no job security.

    No one has … or ever has had …

    <You would have to offer me at least $1M/year before i would even think about running for govt.

    God forbid! The way things are deteriorating politically … even you might scrape in … after all Hanson did …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Shane, re Anna B-lie … my thoughts exactly …

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2017 2:29 pm

    Shane, reading your replies to ToM takes me back many years now … and much head shaking …

  76. February 17, 2017 2:40 pm

    Wow! bananatown plod have announced there is a drug floating about that is 10,000 times stronger than morphine. Warning it can be peddled as `anything`, and will kill on first use, it (has-offshore) also can kill just by touching it. Possibly transported out of state.

    ,,,,They have no job security,,,, #boo-fcuking-hoo neither does many of us.

    ,,,,They could lose their jobs every 3 years. And then what?,,,, #they can suck-it up princess, and think themselves lucky that they `earned` top-coin for 3-years straight, unlike many others.

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2017 2:42 pm

    No one has … or ever has had …

    You obviously were not born here. Most people had jobs for life. Under Menzies if you did not like your job and up and left and got a job somewhere else

  78. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 2:56 pm

    Neil

    Job security was thrown to the wolves with the deregulation of the labour market and the government allowing part time and casual employment while continually bowing to big business reducing the minimum hours worked which is now only 2 hours for a casual job. It costs many people almost that whole 2 hours of income in transport. The extension of trading hours demanded by business.

    Next was the privatisation of most of our public assets which employed many thousands of people CBA, Qantas, Airports, Telecom the list is endless. The drive for profit overrode the service to the people of Australia and it still does.

    Then along came workchoices. Salaried employees with no overtime. Employees being sacked and replaced with contractors or forced to become contractors themselves so they are then self employed and forced to quote for the job they once did with no security at all.

    Greed trumps equality every time.

    You want job security, don’t vote for the LNP.

  79. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 2:58 pm

    If I earned $200,000 for 3 years with all expenses paid plus a myriad of allowances I wouldn’t need to work for a long time.

  80. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 3:01 pm

    TB
    good to know you agree about Anna. Morals are simply non existent with politicians current or ex.

    Regarding ToM and years ago, I know, for some reason the word Union is like some sort of poison yet the words Association, Society, Member make it all hunky dory and they are such wonderful groups.

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2017 3:09 pm

    You want job security, don’t vote for the LNP.

    Get stuffed. Who could ever forget this?

    Sept-Dec 1991- 10.1, 10.0, 10.2, 10.4
    Jan-Dec 1992- 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 11.2
    Jan-Dec1993- 10.9, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 10.8, 11.0, 10.8, 11.0, 10.7, 10.9, 10.8, 10.6
    Jan-April 1994- 10.4, 10.3, 10.3, 10.1

    Those numbers were the unemployment rate under hawke/Keating.

    The ALP will never and has never reduced unemployment. And the ALP never will because the ALP is the party of debt and unemployment

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2017 3:12 pm

    I think it’s now about 10 years that Shane, TB, AO, Reb (and others) and I have been exchanging barbs, opinions and provocations.

    Some latter illiterate blow hards like to prace in and pretend they know some of the history.

    They don’t

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2017 3:16 pm

    Shane, the issue isn’t unionism. It’s the spexific behaviour of some of the officials and the conflict between their political or industrial objectives and their unsavoury influence in the ALP.

    As a former union official and ALP conference delegate I think I’m well versed in some of these issues

  84. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 3:22 pm

    Neil

    The unemployment rate has nothing to do with job security and once again you resort to personal abuse as usual. Do you have the capacity to debate someone who doesn’t use shock words for attention.

  85. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 3:25 pm

    ToM

    I was a union delegate and leader for 2 unions during my employment years so I also think I am also well versed in these issues. Were you a union official of the CFMEU because you seem to know so much about virtually only 1 union.

  86. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 3:38 pm

    ToM

    Has it been 10 years, my how the time has flown 🙂

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2017 3:46 pm

    and once again you resort to personal abuse as usual

    I do not like people telling lies

    You said job security is not possible under the LNP.

    At least i did not lock up 8,469 children like you did when you voted for Ruddd in 2007

    Unemployment was at 4.3% in 2007 and exploded to 5.8% by 2013

  88. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 4:10 pm

    And once again back to locking up children. What on earth does that have to do with what we are discussing ?

    Can you comprehend that the unemployment level is nothing to do with job security. If you have 20 full time people and 20 casuals working 10 hours or more ( even thought they want a full time job) the unemployment rate is exactly the same.

  89. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 4:13 pm

    Neil

    While the unemployment rate remained fairly stable falling from 5.8% to 5.7% over 44,000 Full Time jobs were lost in the month of January. There is your loss of job security for 12 month under the current LNP.

  90. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 4:14 pm

    Sorry should read 1 month

  91. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 4:22 pm

    Link for you Neil because I am such a liar.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-16/unemployment-jobs-abs-data-january/8276040

  92. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 4:25 pm

    Between 2007 and 2013 we had a thing called the GFC.

  93. February 17, 2017 4:50 pm

    Shane, teh-abs mythical 6ish% unemployment numbers are meaningless, and have been for years, only dumbfcuks like pollies and braying media peddle them. Even teh-abs don`t think they are much use. FYI, the `poverty-line` in aust is about $600/week. Some of the `charity` orgs have had some interesting info on %-of ausies below povery line (l forget where) but paints a much `truer` indicator of the situation, l reckon. For a start, there is more `under`employed below povery-line, than unemployed, also a percentage of unemployed is continally `breached` (kicked-off-dole) which is fudging the number/s too.

    Yes, yes, the `bank` numbers are probably correct, many full-time jobs evaporated, all jobs created are junk-jobs. As has been month after month, for most months going back a few years.

  94. February 17, 2017 5:34 pm

    Toot. Toot. Teebz, do you remember about 18-months or so ago, we were talking about a train that went arse over and was carrying a toxic load(cyanide,acid,etc) which spilled in bananaland? Have you heard any more about it? (offline l`ve heard chinese whispers that some kind of cover-up went on, to not spook public about robotic machinery, unconfirmed)

  95. Tom R permalink
    February 17, 2017 6:50 pm

    Between 2007 and 2013 we had a thing called the GFC.

    That’ll be news to nil, I’m sure 😉

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2017 7:46 pm

    You obviously were not born here. Most people had jobs for life. Under Menzies if you did not like your job and up and left and got a job somewhere else

    That has to be the dumbest comment you’ve ever made, neel … you know I wasn’t born here … however I worked here for 45 fkn years …

    … no-one has job security it is a workplace myth … that some people work in one job for life may be true – but it was never guaranteed … BTW I was self employed for 16 of those 45 years … still no job security!

    You want job security, don’t vote for the LNP.

    Hear! Hear!

    I do not like people telling lies

    So why do you do it … ?

    You said job security is not possible under the LNP.

    Especially under a LNP government … most people don’t which way they will jump next!

    Link for you Neil because I am such a liar.

    I wish I had your patience, Shane!

    My excuse is that I’ve been dealing “it” for long time!

    Between 2007 and 2013 we had a thing called the GFC.

    Conveniently mind-washed from all Tory rusted ons …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    TBAGZ

    Shane, teh-abs mythical 6ish% unemployment numbers are meaningless, and have been for years, only dumbfcuks like pollies and braying media peddle them.

    One reason to get an education … when I went back to college in 1987 … we were taught that the unemployment rate would always be at 6% or lower … and there were five reasons why … however, in 1987 the ABS used full-time jobs as the basis for that number … t5hink about it …

    FYI, the `poverty-line` in aust is about $600/week.

    If that’s the case age pensioners are way off! They receive maximum 34,000 a year!

    (I haven’t checked your numbers but I suspect $62,000 pa may be a tad high.)

    Toot. Toot. Teebz,

    Indeed I do, tbagz, and no, I haven’t heard anything … and that is very unusual – many of my model railway colleagues still have very strong ties in the real world …

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Some latter illiterate blow hards like to prace in and pretend they know some of the history.

    They don’t

    And you do? Please explain?

    I see no “illiterates” amongst your list – as for “blow hards” – mirrors can be very revealing … 🙂

    Just sayin’ …

    BTW… to prace in and pretend … this time I no fkn idea what you meant!

    As a former union official and ALP conference delegate I think I’m well versed in some of these issues

    So am I but I don’t tar the whole union movement with same brush … that’s like saying all Muslims are terrorists … oh, wait!

    Were you a union official of the CFMEU because you seem to know so much about virtually only 1 union.

    Indeed, Shane, and the most difficult union to deal with (in my case as a manager and a training consultant – but difficult doesn’t mean “all bad”)

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2017 7:48 pm

    That’ll be news to nil, I’m sure

    I think everything is news to, neel, and then he comes back and then he comes back and then he comes back …

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2017 7:55 pm

    No job security my arse!

    Many Fuckwit ex-politicians find employment (for big money) others just go back to their old jobs (for big money!) …

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/feb/17/peter-garrett-on-midnight-oils-global-tour-theres-no-way-we-wont-say-what-we-think

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2017 8:02 pm

    Everything TurnAbbott touches turns to mud …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/the-big-lie-that-nbn-customers-are-being-sold/news-story/c5cd88a0a26a70a2183d635809de1519

    Except his investments on the Cayman Islands, I guess …

    And he just spent $25,000 on a solar system … when he could have installed a mini clean coal power station in the backyard for $3,000,000 … what a dummy!

  100. shaneinqld permalink
    February 17, 2017 8:20 pm

    TB

    I would not call it patience I do enjoy a good debate, but do not see the need to lower the debate to name calling. Name calling is now out of control by our politicians. I enjoy being challenged but not abused, being challenged makes me re examine my own information to make sure I am happy with it.

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2017 8:23 pm

    Between 2007 and 2013 we had a thing called the GFC.

    The GFC is over. Why hasn’t the unemployment rate gone back down to 4.3% and the budget returned to surplus?

    By the way the current unemployment rate is lower than at any time under hawke/keating

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2017 10:33 pm

    … makes me re examine my own information to make sure I am happy with it.

    Fair call, Shane, but it does get wearisome after the fifth or sixth check (and some folk still don’t believe the real truth or actual facts … 🙂

    See below!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The GFC is over. Why hasn’t the unemployment rate gone back down to 4.3% and the budget returned to surplus?

    Ask the present government – four years of economic, environmental, ideological, developmental, overspending, incompetent management bumbling government … that’s why …

    By the way the current unemployment rate is lower than at any time under hawke/keating

    How long ago was that?

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2017 11:18 pm

    So much for Trumps wall …

    Meanwhile in Mexico

    //s.imgur.com/min/embed.js

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 18, 2017 3:51 am

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 18, 2017 10:46 am

  106. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2017 3:11 pm

    Why not back in 2010?

    Because Credlin hadn’t told them to write that yet 😉

  107. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2017 3:41 pm

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2017 3:49 pm

    Nah! MALfunction was alright … solar system … fk the plebs!

  109. February 18, 2017 3:55 pm

    pa,,,,may be a tad high,,,,

    my neighbour down the street on dole (said he gets about $250/week) has several times told me `they could double me dole and chuck a hundred bucks at it, and l might hit the poverty line`, and the last number l heard on tv was over $500 and heading towards 600.

    Anyhoo, l dug this up, but a its a year old.

    Posted on: 3 May 2016,,,,Single adult ,, $520.51,,,,

    http://www.tai.org.au/content/australia-fails-hold-poverty-line

    lf l was to do a bit of brainstorming, l might `guesstimate` the following,

    300/week rent,

    150/week grocerys, personal and home needs, eg 21-meals, medicine, clothes, shoes, $15-lite-bulbs, toothpaste, detergent, soap etc

    150/week, utilities and transport, eg electric/gas, phone/internet/mobile, bus`n train or fuel`n rego, parts`n service etc

    (obviously there is no allowance here for `disasters` of any type)

    ls any of my guesstimate excessively high for an `individual` to live a relatively humble, yet normal existance in jonestown or boltsville? (as in, not in poverty)

  110. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2017 4:24 pm

    What about smokes?

    And are they the real deal, or the infamous colourless cartons?

    Meanwhile, this grubmint is pushing people over the edge

    Centrelink’s debt collection ‘pushed him over the edge’

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2017/02/18/centrelinks-debt-collection-pushed-him-over-the-edge/14873364004249

  111. Shane in QLD permalink
    February 18, 2017 6:25 pm

    yes Tom R if they think 4 people dying over the greed of employers during the installation of batts necessitated a royal commission, what will happen once the suicide numbers over centrelinks horrific debt collection demanded by this government are revealed. I predicted this would happen and it is happening, probably on a scale we will never truly know.

  112. February 18, 2017 6:26 pm

    Toot. Toot. Found it!

    As,,,,boss of Rio’s iron ore business, Harding oversaw the development of a very sophisticated rail system for Rio Tinto in Western Australia, where almost all of the miner’s railways are now able to carry driverless trains to haul its iron ore. The revenues of Rio’s iron ore division dwarf Aurizon’s market cap of $10.5 billion.

    Analysts expect that automated trains will be one of many efficiencies that Harding could eventually introduce at Aurizon even at the risk of strong opposition from unions, some politicians and possible regulatory issues.

    Other efficiencies at Aurizon that analysts have focused on include continuing to reduce staffing levels and the move to one integrated technology system rather than many legacy systems inherited from QR National that should improve productivity,,,,

    http://www.afr.com/business/transport/trains/little-light-at-end-of-tunnel-for-aurizon-on-growth-20170107-gtnmqu

    # ,, aurizon = train owner of julia creek spill

  113. shaneinqld permalink
    February 18, 2017 6:37 pm

    Neil

    Which is better for all our citizens and which costs us a hell of a lot more in welfare ?

    1) An unemployment rate of 10% where only the 10% who are unemployed need assistance from the government or

    2) An unemployment rate of 5% where the 5% who are unemployed need assistance from the government PLUS 30% of those employed also need government assistance because they are not full time and work only limited hours. EG My sister works 12 hours per week and also gets benefits and a health care card but she is not considered unemployed for statistical reporting purposes.

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2017 7:02 pm

    Shane

    Not sure what you are raving on about. In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling. That is until you voted for Rudd in 2007.

    Labor never has and never will reduce unemployment because their policies suck and they encourage people to rely on the govt.

  115. February 18, 2017 7:11 pm

    debt,,,,collection agency called Dun and Bradstreet,,,,

    # ,, if it was my family, these fcukers would be the first l would haul into court, sue`em for everything and anything.

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2017 12:47 am

    https://twitter.comhttps://twitter.com/KieraGorden/status/832531768980803584

  117. Shane in QLD permalink
    February 19, 2017 6:12 am

    Neil

    If you cannot comprehend what I had written in simple plain language then there is no point continuing the debate !

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2017 11:30 am

  119. February 19, 2017 2:35 pm

    l have seen the ipa wishlist ages ago armchair, murray did a good job on its progress and layout.

    (heres`ya buggered tweet)

    # ,, l`m not sure the save-the swampers at the boltsville rally will be on the-ronalds radar. l don`t think old clown-hair can see that far over `his` wall. (-:

    simple,,,,plain language then there is no point,,,,

    # ,, Correct shane. Our `in-house` teabags (kneel,blubbers,boo) are not here for `educational` purposes. Entertainment Only. So just enjoy them slipping-over in their own dribble.

    # ,, l have also had a change of heart on blib, l hope the team keep him in charge for the next decade.

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2017 8:48 pm

    From my crikey weekender:

    “…Rumours are swirling that Albo, not Shorten, will lead the next Labor government. And please explain: just how sophisticated is One Nation?…” 

  121. shaneinqld permalink
    February 19, 2017 9:15 pm

    I support the Federal Government 100% on this. However I would prefer they hire also a number of shooters full time to wipe them out completely. I do not think shooting them is inhumane due to the terrible destruction they are wreaking on our wildlife. The shooters could also take out foxes at the same time. While I would consider myself a greenie I do wonder about some other greenies making death threats over a feral cat that is decimating our wildlife which is found nowhere else on earth.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/war-on-feral-cats-australia-aims-to-cull-2-million-20170214-gucp4o.html

  122. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2017 12:13 pm

    If you cannot comprehend what I had written in simple plain language then there is no point continuing the debate !

    Shane

    I was not in a good mood when i made my comment and still am not in a good mood. I was not interested in playing lefties games.

    Fact is in 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling. All destroyed by Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them.

    We are now having arguments about balancing the budget about which taxes we should increase. JUST CUT SPENDING.

    But nobody wants to cut spending so it looks like we will have budget deficits for the next 10 years at least meaning our foreign debt will explode.

  123. Shane in QLD permalink
    February 20, 2017 4:26 pm

    Neil

    Fact is after 2007 we had the GFC in 2008. You don’t think that would cause the unemployment rate to climb ?

    When Gough Whitlam was ousted by Malcolm Fraser the unemployment rate was 4.6% when Malcolm Fraser was ousted the unemployment rate was 9.0% an increase of 95% during his reign. When Keating was ousted it had gone from 9% to 8.5% a decrease of 5% while allowing for fluctuations for both governments during their terms. The outcome at the end of their term was much better for Keating than it was for Fraser.

    We can cut spending, how about we cut the police that protect you, the ambulance that rushes to your aid, the hospital that looks after you when you are sick, the fireman that puts out those massive fires we have had in NSW lately, the nurses who care for the sick, the carers of the elderly, the workers who repair our roads, the public trains and buses that move our workers to enable the private companies to make massive profits, the judges that sentence our criminals, the corrective services officers who keep our criminals form escaping, our border control staff who keep disease and introduced species from our soil. I could go on and on.

    Alternatively we can make the mega wealthy pay a bit more, make the multinational corporations pay a fairer share of tax, remove negative gearing, lower the tax free threshold on capital gains, not give $50,000,000,000 to big corporations who are outsourcing their staff overseas. Stop all politician perks. I could go on and on.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2017 6:44 pm

    I was not interested in playing lefties games.

    No … just right wing tory games …

    Fact is after 2007 we had the GFC in 2008. You don’t think that would cause the unemployment rate to climb ?

    The GFC has been wiped from collective memory of any right wing voter … let’s face it they don’t even realise that the LNP (soon to be the LONP) Coalition has been in power for four years now and people are still saying — WTF!

    JUST CUT SPENDING.

    On what, exactly?

    Pollies perks?

    Submarines that don’t exist and will be obsolete before they hit the water?

    F35s that no-one except dodos expect to be combat ready – ever – The Mad Monk bought another 24!

    “Cleanish dirty” coal power stations?

    The Environment?

    Negative Gearing?

    Capital Gains Tax?

    $50 billion to companies that don’t pay tax anyway? Or way below the 25% suggested?

    Pay and conditions for the ADF? (That’s the mob that fights wars for the LNP!)

    Unemployed (some of them actually have families to support!)

    Age Pension?

    Education?

    Health?

    NDIS?

    Subsidies for Russian Scientists?

    Why not just concentrate on COLLECTING TAXES OWED by the RICH!!

  125. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2017 6:47 pm

    Your ideas may sound good but i bet you they will not work.

    I see you mentioned Gough. he was handed unemployment at 2% and promptly doubled it to 4%. I believe he started a generation of unemployment Australians were not used to.

    He also trashed the budget. In one year he increased spending by 20% apparently. Some how or other he increased revenue by 20% so he still ran surplus budget but the budget was destroyed with reckless spending.

    A 10% spending cut would get the budget back into surplus meaning we do not have to borrow any more money from overseas to fund our deficits

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2017 6:56 pm

    I don’t know about the rest of Australia … but if you have a solar system and you want to remain on the grid … you’re limited to a 5kW inverter!

    Asked whether his solar panels were enough to provide power to three average homes, Turnbull agreed that his personal 14.5kW system on the roof of his Point Piper home, with battery storage, was a “large array”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/20/turnbull-says-own-rooftop-solar-not-inconsistent-with-clean-coal-message

    MALfunction is only a fucking Prime Minister and a fkn poor one at that … Australia is supposedly an egalitarian country … y’know all men born equal shyte …

    I really get pissed with the “mighter than thou” mentality of the right wing of politics in general but particularly of the incompetent Dickheads in Australia at the moment!

    Born to rule – these boofheads couldn’t measure their noses or their dicks without help – and even then they’d dispute the “science” … wankers all!

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2017 6:56 pm

    A 10% spending cut would get the budget back into surplus meaning we do not have to borrow any more money from overseas to fund our deficits

    PROVE IT! HOW!

  128. February 20, 2017 7:43 pm

    Yes Teebz, last week on telly l noticed one of the talking-heads had a jab at talkbull for belting canoeland and promoting mangling their renew grid in favor of coal while the harbourside is decked-out in latest`n greatest solar stuff.

    l don`t if you have seen the harmonic/ resonanece, that splits hydrogen from water. Some greek geezer has invented it, shown on vice or aljazeera. lt looks very interesting, and my bet is that `if` it scales-up, its game-over for the teabags coal defending. l`m absolutely certain the sky-scrapers, westfields and other monster `properties` will be snaping it up for their own use. They`ve been wanting bio-fuel/s for ages, and to get off the grid. That`ll fcuk clowntown well`n truly, and their coal bullshit.

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2017 8:37 pm

    PROVE IT! HOW!

    Last official figures for budget spending/revenue are from 2014. Spending = $412B Revenue = $388B

    A 10% spending cut would see us back in surplus. I guess that means PS salaries cut by 10% also

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2017 2:59 am

    There will always be higher unemployment under an LNP govt – it’s how there wealthy business donors like it, people begging for any job they can get and taking any wage they feel like paying.

  131. shaneinqld permalink
    February 21, 2017 6:27 am

    Neil

    You are aware that Whitlam Like the rest of the world especially the USA) suffered from the 1973 Oil Embargo. Read here

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

    You may want to see what happened to the USA rate at the same time. Read here

    https://www.melbourneinstitute.com/downloads/working_paper_series/wp1997n24.pdf

    Whitlams underlying cash balance 1972 $866 1973 $348 1974 $1,150 1975 $181

    Frasers/Howards underlying cash balance 1976 -$1,499 1977 -$1,266 1978 -$2,037 1979 -$2,142 1980 -$1,322 1981 -$184 1982 +$348

    Whitlams effect on the underlying cash +$2,545,000,000
    Frasers effect on the underlying cash -$8,102,000,000

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2015-16/content/myefo/html/16_appendix_d.htm

  132. shaneinqld permalink
    February 21, 2017 6:29 am

    Neil

    How do you trash the budget if you increase spending by 20% to your citizens welfare through services including free medical for all via Medibank and free University for all while increasing income by the same amount ? The underlying cash effect shows the reality that Whitlam produced a surplus every year even with an oil embargo.

  133. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2017 7:39 am

    There will always be higher unemployment under an LNP govt

    Why tell lies AO? Whitlam was handed unemployment at 2% and promptly doubling it to 4% ending a generation of full employment for Australians and setting in motion a generation of high unemployment

  134. February 21, 2017 10:30 am

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  135. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2017 10:50 am

    Fucking unions!*

    THE nation’s largest bank, the Commonwealth Bank, has come under fire for allegedly failing to correctly pay thousands of employees their correct superannuation entitlements less than a week after posting record billion-dollar profits.

    Tipped to affect thousands of employees and run into “millions of dollars” of payments, CBA employees at the lower end of the pay scale including those in branches, call centres and administration centres could be impacted by the lack of payment.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/banking/the-commonwealth-bank-comes-under-scrutiny-for-alleged-nonsuper-payments-to-employees/news-story/b5130f907ac1719fbd8139424043b1e2

    8Great big sarc alert!

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2017 10:51 am

    Hockey looks a bit like a brass monkey … we can always hope!

  137. February 21, 2017 11:04 am

    Ha Ha. Last week tv-news show boltsville has had its air-control white-anted under privitization/ outsaucing. Today, plane crash in boltsville. But,but,but, `boardrooms should do what they want to`, `its da-onions fault!`, `outsaucing is alway better`. #cha.satchels

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2017 11:32 am

    How do you trash the budget if you increase spending by 20% to your citizens welfare through services including free medical for all via Medibank and free University for all while increasing income by the same amount

    Whitlam took spending to record levels. He is a typical socialist. Eat drink and be merry and stuff the next generation. The figures from your link are amazing- Table D1shows spending increases of 19.9% in 1974-75 and 15.7% in 75-76. Somehow or other Gough increased taxes to cover the massive spending. But his last budget was in May 1975 and that was in deficit.

    Most Labor people remind me of someone who trashes a room and then expects someone else to clean up the mess.

    And Gough ended a generation of full employment and started a generation of high unemployment. And his free education did not last long.

  139. February 21, 2017 12:32 pm

    Business on business on business destruction. Fate does have a sense of irony. We can be certain `our` cha-satchels will be mute on this one for quite a while, at least until the ipa approved junior managers handbook is released. The `incineration-zone` contains the loading-docks and stock areas of several businesses and the aircraft. The aircraft suffered `catastrophic` engine failure soon-after/on take-off, it then plowed thru the arse end of a `retail-complex`. Was the engine failure due to boardroom mangling aircraft maintenance? There was five people on the plane owned by `corporate` and leiseure flights. We all know the worker-pilot doesn`t count, but did one boardroom manage to smoke 4-members of another boardroom? Just how stuffed is this building now? Oh yes, its all `outsaucing` on `outsaucing` too.

  140. Shane in QLD permalink
    February 21, 2017 2:47 pm

    Neil

    If the increase in spending is for health, education and ensuring all of the countries citizens receive the same level of care and education how on earth can you complain about it.

    You simply refuse to acknowledge the enormous benefits to the country and employers when citizens are healthy and well educated.

    His free education and free health care didn’t last long because he got sacked remember by a despicable senate of LNP members who blocked supply.

    Calling Gough a socialist, I certainly hope you have private health insurance and only use private hospitals otherwise you are a socialist yourself.

  141. shaneinqld permalink
    February 21, 2017 2:57 pm

    Gough did not end a generation of employment, the world economy and technology did that, otherwise only Australia’s unemployment rate would have risen at the time he was in power.

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2017 2:58 pm

    I think we need to draw the distinction between service providers and bureaucrats

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2017 5:34 pm

    His free education and free health care didn’t last long because he got sacked remember by a despicable senate of LNP members who blocked supply.

    I thought free university education ended when Hawke/Keating introduced HECS.

  144. Flying`High`Teabag permalink
    February 21, 2017 6:11 pm

    limited-news,,,,Two of the four American victims of this morning’s crash have been identified. They were among a group of US golfers on the trip of a lifetime, playing the world’s best courses,,,,

    ,,,,Family have named two of those killed as Greg De Haven and Russell Munsch, both from Texas,,,,

    ,,,,Mr De Haven, 70, was a retired FBI agent, while Mr Munsch was a founding partner of Munsch Hardt law firm,,,,

    ,,,,A statement from the US embassy says four citizens were killed in the crash,,,,

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/light-plane-crash-in-essendon-melbourne/news-story/8398331921c08955076188d96637e8d9?nk=f645727996e1457077988622e5c7a9d9-1487659794

    # ,, lts a good thing we follow teh-usa like lemmings. Glad there aint any `negative` effects teabags.

  145. Rust`Belt`Teabag permalink
    February 21, 2017 7:37 pm

    Hey teabags, it looks like tonights sbs-insight is going to focus on the aussie `rustbelt`. l`m watching to see if they get stuck into braying media and fake news as well. Be careful tho, you might find-out what real `frighteners` are.

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2017 10:38 pm

    …He is a typical socialist. Eat drink and be merry and stuff the next generation…

    Wrong. All of his reforms had the next generation in mind and how to improve their lives and prospects. The people who are running this country now all benefitted from his education and health reforms. Now, the next generation is paying for everything, their own education, their own health [bastardised medicare] and they will be paying for the environment mess left to them by the current greedy generation. For the first time, current policies and politics will leave the next generation worse off.

    We ought to be ashamed.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2017 11:14 pm

    Is this a covert immigration ban on Muslims? Or an covert Christian Crusade? FFS! Its 2017 no 1017!

    Immigration Minister Peter Dutton insists Australia will reject Central American refugees that pose a risk under the swap deal struck with the US.

    The Trump administration has agreed to honour a deal to take refugees held on Nauru and Manus Island in exchange for Australia accepting refugees from Central America.

    Mr Dutton said Australia would look at each case and determine whether it would take them.

    “Some of the examples I’ve been given are Christians who are trying to flee that part of the region, trying to escape gang violence,” he told Sky News on Tuesday.

    “I won’t be taking people who I think are a risk to our national security or would detract from our community.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aust-will-vet-central-american-refugees/news-story/1f6486674e8558f8f2b434d4e7088a5b

    Does Dopey Dutton realise that the gangs referred too are Christians? Its Central America … FFS!

    Whose running the country – the Pope? Or the Prime Muddler …

    Christian? As if they are squeaky clean?

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2017 11:16 pm

    … they will be paying for the environment mess left to them by the current greedy generation

    No, KL, its not a generation war … its the Elites and the Poor … age has nothing to do with the current state of affairs … pure greed does … and it comes in all shapes, sizes and generations …

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2017 11:39 pm

  150. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2017 6:24 am

    “A Royal Commission would cause reputational damage to the big banks.”

    Yea, cos the catlick church is suffering imeasurably from the media attack on the tens of thousands of victims it has on it’s hands. It’s almost as vitriolic as the media’s attack on the Unions during the vacuous TURC witch-hunt [sarc] which exposed ……… corruption in the building Industry (ouch)

    Just how much of a glass jaw does this mob have?

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/scomo-says-hell-deal-with-banks-directly-not-anna-bligh-20170219-gugjmr?btis

  151. February 22, 2017 1:43 pm

    not,,,,a generation war ,, its the Elites and the Poor,,,,

    # ,, l think both points have merit, and you`re missing the `generation` point a bit teebz.

    # ,, Remember back in the days of asbestos, corruptable teabags finally got frightened once they realized `their` kids were exposed in every building and every street when cars hit the brakes, and could just as easily die miserably like the blue-collar slobs they hate are.

    # ,, This `generation` of pollies are doing the equivalent of demanding every building and every brake-pad contains `double` the asbestos, and `fcuk-our-own-kids`.

    # ,, Take a look at talkbull, loads `his` harbourside with solar, while demanding `public` supports soon-to-be stranded grid-assets. (my bet is clowntown will waste a heap of treasury on `adani` too)

  152. shaneinqld permalink
    February 22, 2017 3:15 pm

    If a Royal Commission caused reputational damage to the Banks then obviously the Banks were doing something wrong and isn’t that the reason to have a Royal Commission, just like this mob did into the unions. I have no doubt an RC into the banks would find a lot more problems than the one into the unions

  153. shaneinqld permalink
    February 22, 2017 3:20 pm

    Neil

    Hawke/Keating did end free university and it is a disgrace they did. Our leaders of today enjoyed so many benefits from Whitlam yet are happy to destroy the character and policies of the man. Policies they benefitted immensely from. Who was in the protests at the time demanding free education remain, none other than Mr Age of Entitlement himself Joe Hockey who when he got into politics and was on the gravy train changed his mind and wanted to make it even more expensive to attend university after his free education.

    I am just as happy to criticise the ALP as I am the LNP, something you seem unable to do yourself.

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