One Nation candidate warns of Nazi style covert gay ‘Mind Control’ program
*****AN EXCLUSIVE GUTTER TRASH INVESTIGATION*****
- Gay Lobby using “Nazi style mind control program” claims One Nation
- Brainwashing technique orchestrated by two homosexuals from Norway
- No one is safe!
One Nation continues to attract interesting characters with the Party’s candidate for Bateman in Western Australia announcing that the gay community covertly uses a ‘Nazi style mind control program’ to convince people to support marriage equality.
Michelle Meyers was initially announced as the party’s candidate to take on Southern River MLA Peter Abetz, but she’s been relegated to the seat of Bateman – where she’ll take on the Liberals’ Dean Nalder.
Last year Meyers took to Facebook to express her outrage at Christians who were accepting of the LGBTI community.
THE GENDER INDUSTRY’S SECRET AGENDA
“Are you wondering why even some Christians are being swayed by the gender industry’s pitch and push for same sex ‘marriage’ and acceptance of fake families?” the One Nation candidate asked.
She goes on to explain the the LGBTI community use a disingenuous mind control program created by two unnamed homosexuals from Norway.
‘NAZI BRAINWASHING TECHNIQUE BEHIND GAY MARRIAGE PUSH’
While declining to go into the specific details, Meyers says the gay community’s ‘secret mind control program’ is similar to ‘brainwashing techniques’ developed by the Nazis and the Soviets.
As she does in several other posts, Meyers describes gay people as being ‘unnatural, unproductive and unhealthy.’
The candidate labels the children of gay and lesbian people “fake families”.
The Gutter Trash approached One Nation’s Michelle Meyers, and WA leader Colin Tincknell for comment but they have yet to respond.
theguttertrash.com 
lol, this is the mob some lib used the term ‘sophisticated’ for
ROFL
Trump really is a great F***WIT.
Talking about a terrorist attack in Sweden when there was none. He’s an ignorant bully, he can’t stand scrutiny or criticism. Totally unsuited and incompetent.
Trump makes me want to puke and I really sympathise with the people of the US who’ll have to put up with the c***
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-20/ato-admit-working-hours-are-below-community-standards/8284384
Tax office employees knock off at 4.51… it’s probably a safety issue. If they finished any later, they’d eat an extra couple of Tim Tams, and be even fatter.
Trump makes me want to puke and I really sympathise with the people of the US who’ll have to put up with the c***
We do agree on some things, Tom!
Unfortunately WE suffer the US Administration too!
I have a long memory – all the way back to the Vietnam War and the disaster that was for Australia … to add to the disaster McNamara admitted in 1995 that the Vietnam War was a mistake … tell that to the families of the two Nasho mates I knew! And the 200 I didn’t know who also died!
ToM
completely agree regarding Trump.
Regarding the ATO did you read number 3 bullet point where they acknowledge many staff work longer hours.
Spotted, Shane!
The libs should be destroyed at the ballot box for their kissing up to one nation, but they won’t be. Every one of hanson’s candidates is an out and out wack job, and the libs are trying to pretend they should be acceptable to voters.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/why-australias-public-sector-is-failing/news-story/e57e88140bf068081462792cb10081fb
Inept management and uncompromising staff, that’s our public service.
Rich tax targeted … and about time too! Especially those 30 millionaires that pay no tax at all …
http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/internal-labor-push-to-tax-the-rich/news-story/de9fb6895831b40c7051cefc19586e8d
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-push-to-introduce-buffett-rule-to-stop-the-rich-paying-low-rates-of-tax-20170221-gui1l7.html
Rich tax targeted …
We are running $40B deficits. targeting the few rich we have in Australia will be as useful as tits on a bull at reducing the budget deficit.
Deport all Russian scientists then …
BTW a deficit come about when a government overspends (particularly on the wrong things) … as this one has … and when it doesn’t collect enough revenue … as this one does …
After four years in government, this Coalition can no longer blame Labor … either they run the ship or not …
How much is that going to raise TB?
And are you sure TB? The Age reports
Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen says Labor will not take a “Buffett rule” cracking down on wealthy tax avoiders to the next election.
In a decision that puts Mr Bowen and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten at odds with the Left of the Labor Party, Mr Bowen ruled out supporting the push, revealed by Fairfax Media, to adopt the Buffett tax as policy.
When I started work the company tax rate was 45% and it is now 30% a decrease of 33.33% yet there was never the hysteria then over having to pay tax like there is now. How many businesses have increased their staff by 33%, no one unless they are outsourced overseas. So it is ridiculous to state that cutting tax will create more jobs, the evidence does not show this. Why is there the outrage over paying tax now at 30% when there was never the outrage and claimed class warfare when they were paying 45%. Greed has set in at the top and is infecting so many.
ToM
Did you read the whole story of the link you provided regarding the PS. The last 2 sentences say it in a nutshell and once again nowhere in that story is the acknowledgment that most ATO staff work longer hours than they are paid for even if their official finishing time is 4.51pm.
When I started work at the CBA many years ago when it was government owned we were paid a flat salary and no overtime. However if all the work was complete ( and I mean fully complete) we could leave early, this created efficiency and a commitment to getting the job done as competently and as fast as possible with little to no errors.
If we could not balance we often stayed until well after 7pm trying to find the error with NO Overtime. Here was the incentive to do a correct job every time.
Then the bank in its wisdom just before it was prepared to be sold off stated we had to stay at work for every minute of every day and they would pay overtime.
So staff then developed the attitude, well we have to stay until the exact time so why rush or do things properly first time, we can take our time, plus if we have to stay late we will be paid overtime.
In 1983 the maximum personal tax rate was 60% on amounts over $35,788. Allowing for actual rate of inflation on a compounding basis up to today the amount where the maximum personal tax rate should kick in is $121,401. Yet it does not kick in until $180,001. A difference for high income earners of $57,600 or 47% higher than when it should kick in. In addition the maximum tax rate has been reduced by 25% to 45%. Now tell me how the high income earners are paying so much more than their fair share of tax. And this is all without the luxuries of minimisation and offsets and negative gearing they now benefit from as well.
Facts prove entirely otherwise.
The tax office ordinary hours are less than other parts of the public service. That’s all that was being sought. But typically bureaucrats give nothing.
Shane tax rates have to fit within an international range. Surely you’d acknowledge that.
ToM
I do acknowledge that to some extent. However some countries have no tax at all and a society in ruins, should we also go down that path ?.
What I cannot acknowledge is the outrage at the top these days of those who have benefitted more than any others and accumulated wealth more than any others by means of tax cuts, avoidance schemes and perks that average citizens cannot utilise simply because they do not have the disposable income after their living costs.
Then the bank in its wisdom just before it was prepared to be sold off stated we had to stay at work for every minute of every day and they would pay overtime.
That sounds like something Unions would advocate rather than Management
That sounds like something Unions would advocate rather than Management
You really don’t have a clue …
That sounds like something Unions would advocate rather than Management
You really are clueless … aren’t you?
ToM
Public service weekly hours vary between 36.75 hours and 37.50. The ATO are on 36.75 hours. You need to know what they gave up or traded off during enterprise bargaining at the time to receive those hours.
EG: While in the bank we had an RDO once every 4 weeks which translated to 13 per year. In our EBA we agreed to one per month within our EBA to save another condition they wanted to remove. In the next EBA the Bank insisted we work the actual extra hours to make up for a day off per month, so no longer was it a free RDO we actually had to work the hours.
Very easy to pigeon hole a condition when not knowing how it was achieved in the first place or what was traded for it. This government has been trying to remove many conditions while offering a payrise that is less than inflation (while giving themselves everything under the sun including a turning up allowance) and when your staff are angry about negotiating for over 3 years to achieve any payrise they are going to be pedantic and that is managements fault for lacking the ability to negotiate but rather lay down dictatorial conditions with no flexibility at all.
Neil
Who worked there you or me ?
This is what we get when braying media won`t challenge power and only acts as a megaphone for the teabags and echo chamber for fringe details.
,,,,Every one of hanson’s candidates is an out and out wack job, and the libs are trying to pretend they should be acceptable to voters,,,,
After decade/s saturated in boat-hate, gay-hate, moosie-hate, worker-hate since the john-w days; of course some citizens will be effected/infected. Really, how can they distinguish the difference from teabag-hate and hanson-hate which braying media has and continues to megaphone? lf you saw the last episode of qandaland; you would have seen brandis trying to pass-off teabag-bile on several topics; with dear old piers (now-an-editor) there to reinforce the bile and act as back-up.
Surely you remember `occupy`? When global citizens told their decrepid so-called democrisies to start running `fair` govts? That was the warning shot across the bow, which they ignored. Brexit, frexit, anyExit, the-ronald and whatever manifests in Aust. No surprise here.
Keep in mind the silver-lining, team-hanson (and-team-corey) may be strapping on the dildos, but they`re only going to fcuk teabumpkins and teabags.
Neil
Management did it because they thought they were being ripped off by the staff a few minutes a day by leaving early instead of looking at the big picture.
Management did it because they thought they were being ripped off by the staff a few minutes a day by leaving early instead of looking at the big picture.
Still find it hard to believe. management have 2 options.
1. Pay a salary and workers work for free if working overtime
or 2. Pay a wage and pay overtime if working after hours.
Sounds like a Union was arguing for No 2.
You can find it as hard to believe as you like.
Comprehension is not Neil’s strong point, Shane…
HEER! HEER!
What’s really heartbreaking is the solid, logical explanations from, Shane … and it still doesn’t “register” …
Public servants-
* eat taxpayer funded Tim Tams
* wear cardigans
* pair a tie with a short sleeved shirt
* long socks witth sandals during warm weather
Need I go on to prove that they are inefficient and overlaid?
“overlaid?”
Need I go on to prove that they are inefficient and overlaid?
Well your obviously not a legal eagle based on that tripe!
Hey Teebz, can you believe the fcuking stupidity of the boltsville teabags? That retail complex is built within the `original` airfield `buffer-zone`. The greedy stupid cnuts have made it impossible for a `floundering` aircraft to emergency/ flatland back onto the airfield property, instead of houses!!!! #yaaaay.teabags!!!
Overlaid!! I could claim that was deliberate. No.
Currently assessing whether Brisbane or Perth is the biggest hell hole/blight on civilised society.
I think Brisbane wins.
* no surf or real beaches
* more rain
* more humid
* too close to civilised people
* more inclined to vote for odd balls
* TB
What’s really heartbreaking is the solid, logical explanations from, Shane … and it still doesn’t “register” …
I thought people on salaries don’t get paid overtime.
I knew an auditor who had to work to 11PM every night for 2 weeks and be at work the next day at 7AM to get the job finished on time. That person was not paid overtime.
Why would a bank manager change his staff from a salary where overtime is not paid to a wage where you get paid if you work after hours?
* no surf or real beaches
Neither does Melbourne. And it is only an hours drive from Brisbane to the Gold Coast.
Need I go on to prove that they are inefficient and overlaid?
Oh do yomm, cos nothing ‘proves’ anything like an angry old man typing out dot points on a blog 😉
I note your story, while passing out all of the tired old gems, doesn’t actually support your ‘dot points of prufe’
* “shortest working weeks” (although it grudgingly admits many work much longer without pay)
* “do not meet ‘community standards'” (I guess it depends on what ‘community’ you are in at the time, because my ‘community’ doesn’t support unpaid work)
*”They will not receive back pay.” (Yes, this one does really support your case that they are “overlaid”, doesn’t it.
Here’s a thought, IF they really want the workers to work longer, why not pay them for the privilige? Instead of relying on them working for nothing, as they currently (wrongly) do?
Industry claims we are in a 24hr working environment and that is why penalty rates should be reduced or scrapped. I am in western NSW and the only shops open on a Sunday are.
Woolies (as it is the only supermarket in town)
Hotels and Clubs (have always been open on weekends)
Petrol Stations ( also always been open on weekends)
Cafes ( always been open on weekends)
Closed are Council, Banks, Solicitors, Chemists,( although 1 opens for 2 hours for prescriptions),Library, Accountants, Furniture shops, Bakery, Butchers, Real Estate Agents, Government Office, Post Office, Court, Jewellers, Hair Dresser.
Now tell me we are in a 24hr working environment !!!!!!!
When politicians and other industries start operating 24hrs a day I will agree. Until then it is simply an attack on wages by those who want more without hiring more staff.
ToM
I have never been to Perth so cannot compare, although I visit Brisbane regularly for work and conferences I am not a fan of any city. As for TB being there I am sure there are millions of other people as well 🙂
Neil
People put on AWAs like I was under Howard were not paid overtime. People who work beyond the standard working hours should be paid overtime otherwise their labour is being done for free and the employer is stealing from them. If I stole from my previous employer I would be sacked. No degrees on honesty unless you are the employer apparently.
I am in western NSW and the only shops open on a Sunday are.
Perhaps more places would be open if employers did not have to pay penalty rates. We are talking here about people looking for some part time work. Not full time workers.
ToM
I think you will find that the only tax payer funded Tim Tams these days are in Parliament House. I worked for both Telecom and CBA when they were government owned and during my employment they both shut down any cafeteria or food outlets for employees, except of course for the top. We had to supply everything from our staff clubs which received $0 from our employer.
What is wrong with wearing a cardigan ?. Are you some fashion guru yourself.
What is wrong with a tie and short sleeve shirt. I feel the heat terribly and our ridiculous dress code that came from England is just ridiculous and uncomfortable. That’s why we need so many Air Cons going as we are dressed for England rather than for Australia. What you wear doesn’t make you intelligent, by any means and sometimes it makes you a crook.
Long socks with sandals . Will give you that one but I see that more at bowling clubs rather than public service offices.
Neil
Rubbish, Coles got approval to open 24 hrs in Tamworth. It lasted 6 months. not because of the wages they were paying but because you can only serve the same number of customers in a certain radius no matter what times you open. I know, my sister worked there and the numbers of people shopping out of normal trading hours was next to nothing. They pulled the plug.
People who work beyond the standard working hours should be paid overtime otherwise their labour is being done for free and the employer is stealing from them
Shane
Further up the page you were complaining that the Bank did not pay overtime and you liked it that way. You made this point at 3.10PM
If we could not balance we often stayed until well after 7pm trying to find the error with NO Overtime. Here was the incentive to do a correct job every time.
Then the bank in its wisdom just before it was prepared to be sold off stated we had to stay at work for every minute of every day and they would pay overtime.
I wish you would make up your mind.
Neil
Read this and tell me it is better for Penalty Rates to reduce.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/why-low-wage-growth-hurts-20170222-guj18g.html
More than 2000 megawatts of coal and gas generation failed during NSW’s power scare this month, when AGL Energy ordered Australia’s largest smelter to curtail its production for more than three hours to avoid blackouts across the state.
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/gas-and-coal-failures-were-behind-nsws-power-scare-aemo-20170221-guiesi#ixzz4ZSEsoCSj
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I guess SA could have done that (we still do have production here, but not for long, thanks hockey), but, instead, the operator decided to shut off multiple times the amount of residences than was needed. And that’s after they ignored the weather forecasts and refused to ask available energy resources to come online.
I’m still deciding if it’s gross incompetence or by design. It’s just coincidental that this gross incompetence always happens to SA (by the national market), yet for NSW, renewables from ACT and Queensland are frantically scrambled to save the day.
Either way, it stinks to the core
Neil
You really cannot comprehend anything can you. When we were not paid overtime we were allowed to leave early. This was accepted as a trade off for no overtime.
The Banks staff costs exploded when they mandated work to time and paid overtime.
I worked no overtime under John Howards work choices because I was pressured terribly by the Bank ( ringing every day and sometimes 2 and 3 times day)to sign up to an AWA over the EBA only to find out my boss and all the bosses above him received a bonus for every employee they could coerce into accepting an AWA ( we were not aware of this until much later)
The Banks staff costs exploded when they mandated work to time and paid overtime.
If true you should be happy since staff were getting more money.
But is this true? I thought salaried workers do not get paid overtime. Like i said i knew auditors who worked from 7AM=11PM for 2 weeks to get the job finished and did not get one extra cent. I think that is normal for people on a salary but that was a long time ago and things may have changed
Read this and tell me it is better for Penalty Rates to reduce.
Shane we are talking about people who want some part-time work on a weekend. Not full time workers and i am accused of low comprehension.
The thing that qets me shaneinqld is that they still call it ‘wage growth’
For the Pedants, I think a more accurate description should be coined 😉
Neil
I have many friends and customers in the hospitality industry and that is their only job, so it is not simply some students who want to work a few hours on a weekend like you claim. They are given rosters 2 weeks in advance and told what days they will work including weekends. So when they get lower penalty rates they will qualify for a health care card costing us heaps on the PBS. They will qualify for Centrelink support costing us in taxpayer support. All to give the owner of the business a bigger profit as taxpayers expense. Once again it is money to the top being taken from the bottom and subsidised by taxpayers.
Now do you comprehend ?
Your auditors were probably under an AWA like I was. If you are on an AWA you simply have to get the job done no matter how long it takes you. These are no longer permitted.
Why would I be happy about increased costs to my previous employer which resulted in increased inefficiencies.
Shane we are talking about people who want some part-time work on a weekend.
Except when the business works out is better to just get the full time workers to work those times .. for the same rate. Then they can have their weekends on Wednesday and Thursday 🙂
Tom R
We are simply following the USA where wages are so low the government has to give millions of them assistance to survive, even full time employees working at places like Walmart. What this does is give taxpayer money to big business via the back door. they pay low wages and make massive profits, while taxpayers prop up the employees to enable them to survive. And then the conservatives become hysterical over welfare. If fair wages were paid by business instead of just at the top welfare would not be needed for so many.
Eric Abetz has always railed against employee wage increases but has always voted for his own selfish pay rises and new allowances. So have most politicians but his hypocrisy astounds me.
even full time employees working at places like Walmart.
And yet these are the same businesses arguing for lower taxes (for them) and smaller grubmint.
They want their cake, and everyone elses
Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen says Labor will not take a “Buffett rule” cracking down on wealthy tax avoiders to the next election.
Shorten and Bowen are on the right, it’s being whispered that labor’s left might have the numbers at conference, I’m thinking that’s where the headline has come from. If they do, it will be policy won’t it? Maybe Shorten won’t be leader, or will he do some dirty back room dealing to save himself?
The only taxpayer funded timtams would be in the boardrooms, staff bring in all their own food where I work. The policy is that only part time employees are asked to do o/time and this will be paid at ordinary rates as an ‘extra’ shift. Full timers are not allowed to do o/time unless things are really desperate and if they work any hours over and above full time they will be paid o/time for them [as they should].
shaneinqld
February 23, 2017 9:52 am
so very true shane!
Our government wants to go down the same route. I’ve always thought it ridiculous that the
So Islam is a feminist religion that accepts domestic violence, but only as a last resort.
That’s nice.
oops, don’t know how that happened!
cont’d…
i’ve always thought it ridiculous that the taxpayer funded childcare money goes directly to the business who immediately increases it’s fees while pocketing the cash.
I think it should go to the families.
Your auditors were probably under an AWA like I was.
No, in the late 1970’s early 1980’s people on a salary did not get paid overtime. I have no idea what the rule is now but i suspect it is the same. Accountants got paid a salary not a wage. Salaried people never got overtime.
I have many friends and customers in the hospitality industry and that is their only job
Well if they have a job why would they want to work 7 days/week. Surely they want to spend the weekends with their families?
We are talking about unemployed people who want to do some weekend work
I think it should go to the families.
Yes, it’s like the ABC childcare fiasco never happened isn’t it
So Islam is a feminist religion that accepts domestic violence, but only as a last resort.
That’s nice.
So Islam is a feminist religion that accepts domestic violence, but only as a last resort.
That’s nice.
whoa! *skids to a halt* Where’d that come from?
Surely they want to spend the weekends with their families?
From the mouths of babes
Well AO a woman spokesperson said Islam was a feminist religion on Q&A recently and a spokesman said that hitting your wife was permissible as a last resort.
I think his definition of Islamic feminism is very quaint
Well AO a woman spokesperson said Islam was a feminist religion on Q&A recently and a spokesman said that hitting your wife was permissible as a last resort.
Need to change the topic?
whoa! *skids to a halt* Where’d that come from?
Was thinking the same, KL?
Just been having fun reading Shane v neel … any cracks in your PC monitor yet, Shane?
Need to change the topic?
To garbled ramblings of a confused old man? Is that actually a ‘topic’?
Neil
They work 7 days a week because they are casual and only get at times 3 hours a day. They work what hours they get to survive. Like so many others do. You find very few full time positions in retail and hospitality, except for management. In addition low hours prelcudes the business from paying the super contribution. Hence why they want many part time and causal employees. All that will happen is hours will drop for those currently employed and a new person will start on 10 hours a week and the unemployment rate will drop due to smoke and mirrors as it now says they are both employed.
No TB.
Neil has a right to his opinion and it forces me to investigate further to make sure I have my facts correct. For example, my taxation details and how much the wealthy have been discounted over the years. I had to find all the years and then do a spreadsheet to come up with the true figures
No I’m in a taxi in Perth so I’ve not read all the comments yet.
AO
It is ridiculous to any person who actually digs deeper than the politically or greed motivated headline in a policy.
I have no doubt Menzies would be furious at where his Liberal party has headed. Along with many others turning in their graves at what we are doing. In their day there was a decency in how much profit you made in comparison to others and your employees. Now it is greed at all costs imported from the supposed best country on earth which has massive poverty levels, horrific killings, and no health for all while having the most billionaires on the planet.
Well I can tell you for a fact the auditors at the bank were paid overtime.
They wonder why so many of us hate them all.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/victoria/speaker-telmo-languiller-to-repay-40k-over-second-residence-allowance-perk-20170222-guj5qo.html
They wonder why so many of us hate them all.
yes shane, its like they deliberately set the system up to ensure they can live off as many taxpayer funded perks as they can and then bank their entire salaries. I bet he has negative geared the 2nd house too!
Well I can tell you for a fact the auditors at the bank were paid overtime.
Will OK. My understanding is that people on salaries do not get paid overtime. This would include accountants/auditors, bank workers, school teachers etc. I know University lecturers do not get paid overtime and sometimes their day does not stop when they get home. Most spend hours into the night writing grants, preparing lectures, doing online research etc.
That is why i find it strange when you said it was bad when bank workers started to get paid overtime.
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/umpire-to-deliver-penalty-rates-decision/news-story/d0aa49c166f1afa1a6b541aa7036b58e
And this will be monitored how? Will penalty rates increase if there IS no “likely” changes and the “savings” simply become “profit”?
What a crock …
PM Trumble’s gone if he insists on cutting tax for business.
Actually this penalty rates decision might have killed him off anyway, there’s a lot of parents with kids working hospitality who will have to fund them from their own pocket [if they can]. How many supposedly small business owners are actually subbies on a wage [another business rort].
TB
Totally agree
It is always such a good thing to cut the wages of the lowest paid and create even more working poor.!!!!
My understanding is that people on salaries do not get paid overtime.
It depends on what was arranged when the salary was constructed.
I know I told my previous employer that, if he wanted me to work weekends, I would only do it if I was paid penalty rates.
I never worked weekends, whilst others did, for nothing. It’s all negotiable when Salaries are in play
Nope, they will pocket the extra and make no changes at all.
At `first-look` the wage-cuts seem a teabag-victory. On every other measure, its a spectacular `own` goal. Watch. Let`s see how well the `west-coast` teabags go.
It really is a joke.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/maybe-clive-palmers-depressed-nephew-clive-mensink-should-come-home-judge-20170223-gujjyk.html
As I’ve said before, bona fide full time students should be exempted from being paid the weekend penalty rates
No I’m in a taxi in Perth so I’ve not read all the comments yet.
Nothing new there then … do you actually do anything – apart from travel and personally biased mini travelogues …
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
spectacular `own` goal. Watch. Let`s see how well the `west-coast` teabags go.
My thoughts precisely, tbagz …
Problem is the people who suffer most from this right wing nibbling at the 49% Class income and conditions … seem to vote for the wankers (read One Nation, Katter et al) and ——— the fkn LNP!
One seat majority! This should see them pushed under the bus for a decade!
Slowly bleeding the economy dry and shoving it in the Cayman bank accounts … end of fkn entitlement? … BS! … how many weeks a year do politicians have to turn up to Canberra?
These boofheads couldn’t run a chook raffle at an RSL football dinner!
And Fair Work Commission relied on a submission by the – Productivity Commission!
Meanwhile some excellent news …
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/23/australia-post-chief-executive-ahmed-fahour-expected-to-quit-after-pay-row
Pity WORKERS who just had their pay slashed from not much to very little can’t reign in protest!
5.6 x 7 = $39.2 million
Looks as if the FWC Full Bench (that handed down the penalty rate decision) had plenty of former union officials
I suppose TB you would have preferred them to ignore the evidence and submissions and just rely on…? The vibe?
So we have a full bench with plenty of former union officials operating under ALP legislation, that conducts the award review that the ALP required, handing down a decion… and the ALP and their barrackers are complaining!!
Hilarious!
This should see them pushed under the bus for a decade!
What has the Coalition got to do with this decision?
how many weeks a year do politicians have to turn up to Canberra?
I think a Politicians main job is to serve their electorate. They also work on policies etc. They do not need to spend much time in Canberra other than to pass legislation they have been working ob in their electorates
Teebz, there is also the `own-goal` factor where smaller towns depend on folks coming in from the country-side and capital cities to spend-up in their town. This will decline. You will soon see towns bleating that there isn`t the money coming into town, and two out of five cafes, shops, etc have closed. #yaaay.small.biz.council There is also nice silver-lining that this will be kicking-in just before talkbull wants an election. #yaaaay.teabags
You will soon see towns bleating that there isn`t the money coming into town, and two out of five cafes, shops, etc have closed.
They are closed because they have to pay double time on Sundays.
Do lefties care about people?
Looks as if the FWC Full Bench (that handed down the penalty rate decision) had plenty of former union officials
If you’d have used dot points, I’d have been convinced yomm. That’s just lazy
Abetz accused of restacking Fair Work ahead of his Cabinet dumping
http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/abetz-accused-of-restacking-fair-work-ahead-of-his-cabinet-dumping-20150917-gjoysn
But I’m sure our msm will jump on the Bash Bill Bandwagon without any consideration of actual reality, after all, if they’ve gotta be up posting other peoples tweets for a high paying salary, then some poor bastard may as well be around to make them their coffee for peanuts
… if they’ve gotta be up posting other peoples tweets for a high paying salary, then some poor bastard may as well be around to make them their coffee for peanuts
That nailed it! Used to be male chauvinism … now it just chauvinism!
Elites and Workers … who started the Class War? It’s been on for centuries … The Revolution is just around the corner … let them drink instant!
History repeats itself …
I suppose TB you would have preferred them to ignore the evidence and submissions and just rely on…? The vibe?
I saw your “vibe” in action during the TURC …
And yes, I do question the “evidence” because it’s none existent …
And this is why … look closely at the text I have bolded below … that’s not “evidence” that’s supposition at best … guessing at worst!
As I said earlier if the “evidence” is found not to support the suppositions/guessing – will the penalty rates values be re-instated?
This is not a fkn game this is a government ripping a society apart for greed and power!
Its like going back to the 1950’s! Without a union foundation!
Keep it up and it will become a self fulfilling nightmare for the Tories!
This is not a fkn game this is a government ripping a society apart for greed and power!
The FWC is not the govt
This is not a fkn game this is a government ripping a society apart for greed and power!
That’s interesting TB. It’s the creation of the ALP and headed by an ALP appointed president conducting the award review required by the ALP
It’s the creation of the ALP and headed by an ALP appointed president conducting the award review required by the ALP
*That has been gutted and stacked and cajoled by the lnp
you forgot to add that last bit yomm, so I put it in a dot point, as prufe 😉
Yes, from that quote TB, it’s easy to see who is following ‘the vibe’. A well stacked board of sycophants, that’s who
Wow
“they’re not giving anything up”
https://twitter.com/jeremysear/status/834863064725942274
Really? Ian Ross FWC President and former ACTU official presided over a process that took years and it was to do the Libs a favoir?
Got a link to support that?
Got a link to support that?
Are you slow, or just stupid?
https://theguttertrash.com/2017/02/14/one-nation-candidate-warns-of-nazi-style-covert-gay-mind-control-program/#comment-137212
No, all you have to do is identify which members of the full bench are among those that Abetz stacked it with.
It’s simple enough. Are you referring to Iain Ross or the others?
Doesn’t matter who made the decision (left white or brindle – I don’t care) its shortsighted and ignorant of the damage it will cause to the economy …
As I watch these fools piddle around the edges of a weakening economy – to protect the Elites and damage the welfare of the weaker members of our society … I can only imagine what their restrictive economic management would have been like in 2009 – had they unfortunately have been in power then …
… I can only imagine what their restrictive economic management would have been like in 2009
The decision has nothing to do with the govt. TomR says the Coalition govt stacked the board but he did not provide any numbers. How many were appointed by the Coalition govt?
And if Costello was Treasurer in 2009 we would not be having the huge deficits were are running now and we would not have locked up 8,000 children if the Coalition had been in govt from 2007-2013
No, all you have to do is identify which members of the full bench are among those that Abetz stacked it with.
I’m going with “stupid”
Industrial relations lawyer Tanya Cirkovic, a former legal partner of Liberal Party identity Michael Kroger, and Christopher Platt, who worked at the Australian Mines and Metals Association were appointed commissioners.
Both Mr Platt, currently employee relations manager at BHP Billiton’s Olympic Dam project, and Ms Cirkovic have addressed the conservative HR Nicholls Society.
Barrister Tony Saunders was also appointed a commissioner while Geoff Bull, another former AMMA employee appointed to the commission by Bill Shorten was promoted to the position of deputy president.
“I’m going with “stupid”……”
Is that because it suits you ?
Presiding over the decision were
Justice Ross, as President,VP Catanzariti, Dep Pres Asbury, Comm Hampton,Comm Lee
None of whom are in your “Link”
None of whom are in your “Link”
I’m still going with ‘stupid’, s you obviously don’t understand the concept of ‘stacked’
When Shorten made appointments, it was a “broad church”, not just one side replacing the other.
Also, these people ‘preside’, they don’t ‘dictate’
Stupid seems to be only word to describe it (obtuse might, but I’m not really prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt)
There was poor little blib, harmlessly sitting on his rock and leading the opposition for the next decade, while maintaining the teams flaws and structual deficits. Then the teabags go and yank blib off his rock with their wage-cuts wet-dream, and drag him back into `viability`. Well done teabags.
TurnAbbott Alternative Facts!
(just arrived in my inbox)
So many holes in those statements its hard to know where to start!
Once upon a time in Liberal La la Land … ?
Doesn’t matter who made the decision
That’s very interesting TB. Yesterday you were in such a hurry to blame the government
l see the dumbfcuk of boltsville is trying to pretend that minimal wages getting cut is the major solution for his state. l would have thought not putting business on airfield buffer-zones and having aircraft plow thru the roof was. Good to see he is also ignoring lazy franchise owners won`t work their own business on sunday too.
Here are the members of the Full Bench that made tthe decision about penalty rates, whcih Tom R suggests it has been stacked by Abetz!
JUSTICE ROSS, PRESIDENT
VICE PRESIDENT CATANZARITI
DEPUTY PRESIDENT ASBURY
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON
COMMISSIONER LEE
Now… how many were appointed by the ALP government , and how many of them were appointed by the Liberals?
The hilarious point is that ALL 5 were appointed by the ALP!!!
So we have a Full Bench of the Fair Work Commission (the so called “independent umpire”)-
• Operating under ALP legislation
• With all 5 members being ALP appointees
• Conducting a review of Awards that the ALP required
…making a decision based on the evidence presented, and TB blames the government and Tom R blames poor old Eric Abetz!
Hilarious!!
fer yomm
When Shorten made appointments, it was a “broad church”, not just one side replacing the other.
ToM
While the ALP might have created the fair work commission and appointed the current bench, it seems to be the Government ( along with its donors) that is taking delight in and celebrating the reduction in wages for the poorest in our nation.
and appointed the current bench
That’s not entirely true Shane. Labor may have appointed the members initially, but it was the libs who moved them up the ladder, and replaced worker friendly members with their chosen ones. It is no longer a balanced board
it seems to be the Government ( along with its donors) that is taking delight in and celebrating the reduction in wages for the poorest in our nation.
Perhaps because some unemployed people may get a job.
In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling. Anybody who wanted job could get one. By 2013 unemployment was at 5.8% and exploding. People are trying to find a way to get a job for the hundreds of thousands of people who lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard
prime meddler blib stooten #not.so.funny #undeserving
but it was the libs who moved them up the ladder
Which ones?
Which ones?
😯
TomR
What are you trying to say? You said this
Labor may have appointed the members initially, but it was the libs who moved them up the ladder,
Are you saying the Libs mover up the ladder Labor people who they thought would be more employer friendly?
So because there might and I mean might,be a few more jobs, the government is perfectly valid in celebrating the lowering of the rest of the lowest paid workers wages. What a sick greedy and demented world we live in.
Tom R’s motto for himself!
Neil
It is amazing how many people forget where they started and who helped them along the way as they climb the corporate ladder.
Shane
It is amazing how many people forget that in 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling. In 2007 anybody who wanted a job could get one.
That is until greedy people voted for Rudd/Gillard
Yesterday you were in such a hurry to blame the government
I still do … maybe I should go right the top … now, Rupert or the Pope?
The hilarious point is that ALL 5 were appointed by the ALP!!!
As I said – I – don’t – -care … you do because you’re ideologically driven like the government …
You don’t give a stuff about the consequences for those who don’t have your extensive income …
ALP – LNP – ON – NXT – WGAF Party! low paid (often struggling) people and their families have just been given a pay cut … based upon shonky guesses, government hopes and big business donations … and a basic ignorance of how an economy works …
And you find it “hilarious” … I find it cruel, callous, mean spirited, selfish, ideologically driven folly …
I see TB, so when you said (just yesterday) – “,i>This is not a fkn game this is a government ripping a society apart for greed and power!“… you weren’t talking in the context of penalty rates? How could I have mistaken that, just because you were talking about penalty rates!
for yomm, because he’s so stupid
Of course, if he had read that, he might not have looked so …. what was that word?
Perhaps because some unemployed people may get a job.
“perhaps” … maybe … might … shoulda … coulda … woulda …
Executive salaries should be reduced so we can pay for more workers and improve the service in banks and business …
The “more jobs” mantra is a furphy … no-one puts on more staff because the penalty rates have been reduced … small restaurants and bars won’t open Sundays because of this decision … if they can’t open now then they shouldn’t be in business now … or not open …
Reduced penalty rates means a bit more in the pockets of the business owners … nothing more nothing less … the Sheriffs of Canberra … what we really need now is a fkn Robin Hood …
I also think stupid ignores the fact that Labor have argued against cutting penalty rates, and have previously stated that if they were cut, would do anything in their power to restore them.
The libs have remained silent, except of course to argue publicly for lower rates. But of course, it’s all up to the lib stacked FWA 😉
there,,,,might and I mean might, be a few more jobs,,,,
# ,, in 18-months time, nope, not overall, all that will happen, as it always does, is make all effected workers reassess, and put lots of employers on the re-re-hiring treadmill where there is zero income and zero profit. Ultimately for some businesses, it will have the effect of business sticking their shotgun in their own mouth and discharging both barrels. As it always does.
It really is so entertaining talking to Tom R & TB, it’s a pity I have to work from time to time.
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We have “the independent umpire” –
• Operating under ALP legislation
• Conducting an award review the ALP required
• Determined by full bench of 5 – all ALP appointments
So who’s to blame for the decision – the Liberals of course!!!
It really is so entertaining talking to Tom R & TB
I think you mean ‘trolling’, as refusal to read links, then quotes, then quotes AGAIN is beyond stupid, it’s just ignorant trolling.
I guess if you don’t read it, it didn’t really happen hey
Tom R – it’s the Liberal’s fault! And “the vibe” proves it!
And “the vibe” proves it!
That’s funny, you were the one crapping on about ‘the vibe’ earlier, until TB showed that the ones who used ‘the vibe’ were in fact the libs stacked FWA.
Seems even dot points can’t help you now
Neil
For the last and definitely final time we had a GFC. If you mention unemployment again out of context of the discussion and raise Kevin Rudd and 2007 without any acknowledgement of what happened WORLD WIDE in 2008 you can consider our debates over. Enough is Enough. I know how bad it was, I organise finance.
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Good-on the cafes on rebs sbs tweet, for at least trying to be smart. The cuts don`t kick-in for about a year tho, and thats when the rubber will hit the road. Then we will see if they can `actually` resist.
libs stacked FWA
So just remind me again which of the Full Bench members were appointed by the Libs?
So just remind me again which is dumbest
yomm
wooden plank
So… just how did the Libs stack the full bench?
For the last and definitely final time we had a GFC.
So the GFC caused Labor to lock up 50,000 boat people? No, ALP policies suck.They did not defend our borders.
Same goes with unemployment. ALP policies suck. I believe if Howard/Costello had won the 2007 election unemployment would have reached 4.8% rather than 5.8% ie 1% point lower than it is at the moment and we would not be discussing penalty rates. We are only talking about penalty rates because there are thousands of people without work thanks to Rudd/Gillard
Team-cheerer, the `project` was still a failure, even if there is some legalise jargon that differs a `carbon-tax` from a `carbon-price`. Any money forcibly taken from `people` by, or on behalf of govt is a TAX as far as the common pleb is concerned. Even if jooLiar was `technically` correct, she still lost the war due to her lack of nous on the `marketing` front. Had jooLiar had any nous, the project would have been called `carbon-tax` anyway, then she would have been free to explain the project, instead of burning ALL air-time over the `label`.
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Stan grant is fcuking excellent as deputy on reportland. Craps all over toolman.
“”Stan grant is fcuking excellent as deputy on reportland. Craps all over toolman””
Doesn’t he just. Leaves Sales for dead too….
Leaves,,,,Sales for dead too,,,,
# ,, agree, especially in his `even-ness` and `firmness` with interviews, no matter who or which team, a stable, solid and strong interview
While Lateline is miserable blancmange of human interest stories these days …
Had enough this week and – click! Well done government and the new CEO …
Found this. Not sure what is the difference between the Full Bench and this list but it looks like most appointments happened under Rudd/Gillard
https://www.ausgovboards.gov.au/boards/fair-work-commission
Tom R – Of course, if he had read that, he might not have looked so …. what was that word?
Were those people you refer to on the full bench, otherwise your comments seems to have little relevance to the Full Bench decision, but please… tell me why it is relevant to the decision.
So a quick recap is in order…
• Tom R said the FWC Full Bench decision was because the government “stacked” the Commission
• TB just blamed the government
But…
• Each one of the 5 members of the Full Bench was appointed by the ALP
• The President is a former ACTU official
• They conducted the review under ALP legislation
• The award review was according the process established by the ALP
• It’s the decision of Full Bench of the “independent umpire” Tom R and TB so willingly refer to when convenient
I’d prefer to say they’re wilfully blinkered
While,,,,Lateline is miserable blancmange,,,,
# ,, l usually watch sbs2-vice now-a days, tho the few times l`ve seen it, l noticed emma and tj are no longer in latelineland.
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# ,, l couldn`t resist watching the-ronald at cpac-2017 late last night. lt was as funny as fcuk, great entertainment from the-ronald, and oh-boy fake-news sure did get a pumelling. To me, it gets even funnier when l see the newsreader on my abc reporting on cpac-2017 and showing footage of it, with NO sound. Obviously not wanting to let viewers `hear` the-ronalds fake-news rant. #thin.skins
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,,,,wilfully blinkered,,,, #seems there is a lot of that going around now-a days #pot.kettle
I’d prefer to say they’re wilfully blinkered
I’d prefer to say, you are still stupid.
Just because they picked the ones that Labor put on the commission, doesn’t mean that they are not private industry shrills. Labor make the mistake every time of doing things fairly, ie, picking people from both sides. Along come the libs, and just stack it from one side.
Which means, the whole process is lopsided.
But you’s rather just repeat simplistic lib talking points and “Blame Bill” (for playing the game fairly)
Do you think it is ‘coincidence’ that they ALL just happened to picked by Labor? Or is it by design? So the libs, and their sprukers, can go, see it is their fault. That is simplistic nonsense, especially in light of how stacked the FWA has become on the side of ‘kick the poor’
Do you think it is ‘coincidence’ that they ALL just happened to picked by Labor?
So just tell me how the Libs (or business) have put pressure on FWC President Iain Ross (you know the former ACTU official) to select the compliant Full Bench, and then put pressure on Ross to come up with the (unanimous) decision they want
doesn’t,,,,mean that they are not private industry shills,,,,
# ,, To me it looks `more` than that team-cheerer. l reckon there is a big of nra-style astroturfing behind some of it. lf l was the boss of a woolie-coles monster that also own other stuff like target, kmart, hardware and other branded food or fashion. l might start an astroturf outfit, and call it the `small-business-liberation-front`. l would then get the `sblf` to go and tell bakers-delight franchise owners that their major problem is plebs `pay-rates`; not top-dollar westfield-rent; not top-$ franchise license rates; not surging power bills; not top-$ oven and equipment rental; not restriction and gouging on bread-mix supplied by bakers-delight-hq; not the shortage of consumers on weekends. l would use my `sblf` to recruit as many franchise and sole-traders as l could, let them be `members` to help fund my `sblf`, and stoke the existing limited-news/ipa-troll network to bleat about wages.
# ,, The REASON. l know that every time the workforce gets jolted, l know that there is ALWAYS a percent of franchises and sole-traders that go belly-up as the workforce `re-assess`, which is always good for `my` monster conglomerate of businesses. lt will be a patchwork of things that go belly-up, and it doesn`t matter, as l cash-in where-ever and what-ever fails. When bakers-delight go belly-up, my supermarkets win. When main street shoes or fashion go belly-up, my kmart, big-w, department store wins. The best part is l used my `small-business-liberation-front` members to fund their own demise.
So just tell me how the Libs (or business) have put pressure on FWC President Iain Ross
Perhaps
*Gillian Triggs
*Ken Henry
*Nick Ross
might be able to enlighten you?
Just disgusting
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/labor-speaker-and-deputy-should-quit-over-epic-rorts-victorian-opposition-says-20170225-gul63f.html
I don’t care who set up the FWC. The decision is wrong and for the LNP to be celebrating the outcome while giving $50,000,000,000 to big businesses shows where their ideology lies.
while giving $50,000,000,000 to big businesses shows where their ideology lies.
The initial tax cuts are to small business which are the largest employer of people in Australia. I guess the idea is to help small business employ some of the people who lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard.
I really do not like ALP supporters giving their opinions on how to help business employ people since unemployment usually goes up under Labor.
Just disgusting
To say the least
• TB just blamed the government
► TB blamed the whole fkn charade Fair Work Choices my arse …
ToM you’re comprehension is so narrow minded and ideologically inclined you can’t see the forest for the trees …
Yesterday I commented – above:
“”””ALP – LNP – ON – NXT – WGAF Party! low paid (often struggling) people and their families have just been given a pay cut … based upon shonky guesses, government hopes and big business donations … and a basic ignorance of how an economy works … “””
Its not the appointments that give me the shits its the DECISION … its WRONG … whoever appointed, influenced, donated, paid, and reported …
The decision is so stupidly mind-blowing on so many levels – including, political, IR, economic and failing the weaker members of what was a great society!
… did the tory government argue in favour of a cut and cheer when it was decided … did the ALP opposition argue against it … and vow now to continue to fight it?
Just disgusting
To say the least
Agree … if this was business they’d all be out on the street – quick smart – stealing is a sackable offence and this IS stealing …
And, ToM, I don’t care which politician steals from all of us – it is wrong!
if this was business they’d all be out on the street – quick smart –
Really? Have you seen how some of these Bankers/mining/energy/media execs behave?
Oh that’s right, they’re called ‘bonuses’ 😉
fairfax,,,,,Greens leader Greg Barber said the latest spate of breaches should put the establishment of an independent MP watchdog back on the agenda.
“Unless the party leaders put up their hands to lead change, then no change will happen,” he said. “We need to make sure the entitlements meet community standards, they have to be transparent, and then they have to be administered at arms length – by a parliamentary standards commissioner.”,,,,,
# ,, sounds like boltsville has `clowntown-disease` too, along with aircraft disruptions to `on-airfield` businesses. Seems you-know-who lacks judgment on just `who` need their pay-perks clipped as well. Even when its really just theft.
# ,, here l was thinking jonesland was `king` of crime, stupidity and grubbiness, yet once again boltsville is competing `vigorously`. l wonder if boltsville-plod will go after two-buck crooks at woolie-coles `self-checkoutz` like jonesland-plod do. #yaaay.democrisy
Really? Have you seen how some of these Bankers/mining/energy/media execs behave?
Fair call, TR … I should have said, if the pricks worked with me … but then I wouldn’t have employed them in the first place!
(EXAMPLE) When I studied for my B.Bus HRD … I studied interviewing techniques …
I had a dilemma – with all the checks I was expected to do, when interviewing someone for employment … I’d always used my ten second rule … from the moment an interviewee entered my office he/she was under “assessment” … and I usually made up my mind in about ten seconds … NVC’s play a big part …
I was telling, The Minister, of my dilemma and she came up with a solution that worked well for me … accept my ten second rule and then apply the techniques I was studying to verify my initial assessment … it’s worked for me ever since!
… and I usually made up my mind in about ten seconds …
You could write a book about that TB.
World’s best practice recruitment!
• Forget nervousness!
• Don’t pay any attention to reference checks
• Criminal record is irrelevant
• Job related questions are for amateurs
TB can pick competence in 10 seconds! And this is from someone who says they are qualified in competency based assessment!!
FMD
FMD
Going on your recent posts, I was under the assumption that had already passed?
TB can pick competence in 10 seconds!
Still cherry picking comments to score cheap shots I see, ToM … “”””and then apply the techniques I was studying to verify my initial assessment …””””
Thank goodness for education and learning … you should try it one day …
• Forget nervousness!
Who said I did?
• Don’t pay any attention to reference checks
Who said I did?
• Criminal record is irrelevant
Who said it is? (in fact I employed two guys who had served time – who served the business well)
• Job related questions are for amateurs
See above … ToMarse … clue to the clueless … “applied techniques”
Talk about LaLaLand …
… who says they are qualified in competency based assessment!!
As far as we all know your the highest paid shithouse cleaner in the land …
And ToM … no-one got to the interview stage without research … reference checks … I thought that would be a given to most commenters here … apart from neel, and now obviously you …
I’ll remember in future tho’ …
Your limited comprehension staggers me … is neel, you’re alter ego?
Bizarre TB, according to you –
• someone expresses interest in a job,
• without actually committing,
• or negotiating salary and conditions,
• or establishing their actual willingness to accept a job,
…but you think it’s your right to disclose to 3rd parties that they’re seeking to leave their current job and gossip to others that they’ve applied for a job.
You clearly have no idea about respect for applicants, you have breached the your basic responsibility to guarantee the confidentiality or the process…and not only that you say ”your” process is to decide in 10 seconds and then have some other period (what is it 20 or 30 minutes?) of time wasting window dressing.
That is a disgraceful process, particularly for someone who boasts about their commitment to competency assessment.
It’s a good thing you’ve retired because these days you’d be sued for breach of privacy.
…but you think it’s your right to disclose to 3rd parties that they’re seeking to leave their current job and gossip to others that they’ve applied for a job.
I hadn’t been reading real closely, so perhaps you can highlight how you came to this conclusion from TB’s comments?
TB did reference checks and “research” of candidates prior to interviewing them.
Most people are in employment and haven’t actually provided permission to head off and discuss their employment history, capability, circumstances, reliability, personal traits etc.
People expressing interest in changing jobs are entitled to have this treated confidentially, not discussed with other parties prior to them even discussing whether they want the job,
They might meet TB and (understandably) decide – NO WAY AM I WORKING FOR HIM!
But TB will already have gossiped about them, which has the clear potential to prejudice their relationship with their current employer and other potential employers.
They should pay it back, be fined and there should be byelections when this happens. Give the people a chance for revenge against this mentality where they can muddy the waters and claim amazing amounts of money. Keep the bastards honest. I have had a gut full of the lot of them.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/speaker-telmo-languiller-resigns-over-expense-scandal-20170224-guklo7.html
Also people enter into “restraint agreements” which prevent employees fro working for direct competitors, in similar positions for a period. This doesn’t stop them from applying for jobs and trying to work out whether the restraint period will apply.
At the point of application the status of this would be unknown to TB but heading off and discussing them is particularly prejudicial to their standing and relationship with their current employer. Even if the “research” isn’t with their employer, the rumour mill will be off and running.
People that understand good recruitment practice understand the need to protect teh interests of all candidates.
But TB –
* Makes his mind up in 10 seconds
* Gossips to 3rd parties about candidates before he’s even met them for his 10 second assessment
So you “assumed” he just broke their confidences.
I know when I apply for jobs, I give permission for who they can contact, and who they can’t (usually my current employer only)
But you just leap to the assumption. Was it ‘the vibe’ again?
This is poor recruitment practice
* making your assessment before asking a series of specific position related questions
* conducting reference checks before both parties have agreed that the opportunity is likely to be suitable for both
TB’s methods of recruitment might be common, but it represents poor practice.
Australia’s march towards corporatocracy
http://www.themandarin.com.au/75684-australias-march-towards-corporatocracy/
…Privatisation, declining regulatory oversight, and de-skilling of the public service can only entrench corporate power at the expense of public interest. Australia appears headed down the road to full-blown corporatocracy.
Confounding the familiar government narrative of reckless spending binges by Labor, the Coalition actually has the record of greater profligacy when it comes to showering billions of dollars of taxpayers’ money on external consultants…
conducting reference checks before both parties have agreed that the opportunity is likely to be suitable for both
I’ll take that as an admission that you made up that bit about TB doing checks without permission then 😉
FYI, it is common practice to allow potential employers to do background checks BEFORE they expose too much of their practices to you. But of course, you’d know that, wouldn’t you?
and de-skilling of the public service
And yet the libs are so keen to point the blame at the public servants the moment there is any blowback for their own crippling decisions
I’ve done work for companies that have had the archaic and poor practice of doing reference checks before even meeting the candidate.
Following discussion those (previously) inconsiderate, ignorant and lazy managers comprehend why it is poor practice.
Going for a job is probably one of the most stressful experiences for most people, and a lot experience it only a few times during their working life Therefore the responsibility of employers is to make it a positive experience – even if they aren’t successful.
• Making your mind up in 10 seconds and then paying lip service to some additional process is incredibly disrespectful to applicants
• Doing some type of reference check even before meeting the candidate is disrespectful and likely to be damaging to the careers of those that are unsuccessful
Senior executives wouldn’t tolerate that process and there is no reason to apply different standards to other people in the workforce, is there?
ToM
Most senior executives would not have to complete and online application.
Most senior executives would receive an interview and not simply a message saying we will contact you if we determine you are suitable for an interview.
Most senior executives would not be told that they will not be contacted to let them know they were unsuccessful.
Most senior executives would not be treated like another piece of asset to be kept in the dark and ignored during the decision making process.
As most staff are not given the opportunity of a face to face interview, just when do you think background checks and other information investigation are completed by these big monoliths to determine if someone is suitable for an interview. It certainly isn’t after the interview that’s for sure.
It is not what you know but rather who you know and how far you can crawl up managements arse.
When I first started employment you attended an entrance selection test which covered such useless things as Maths, English, Comprehension and Accuracy. Now you are interviews and asked to take a 366 questions psychology with the most ridiculous questions imaginable with nothing about Maths, English, Comprehension and Accuracy but rather whether you will place the company above your family, whether you think emotion is good or bad, whether you can cross sell products nobody needs to achieve targets etc etc.
Shane, with the greatest of respect, I think I have some experience in executive search and recruitment
Companies don’t rely on an old boys network in my experience recruitment is painstaking and thorough – and despite that the decisions aren’t guaranteed to be particularly good.
My point is that most executives would not participate in a process that lacks confidentiality because of the reputational damage about being unsuccessful.
There is no reason that similar standards shouldn’t apply to the rest of the workforce – it’s about providing respect to candidates who are finding the whole recruitment process quite stressful. Poor practice just promotes the stress, it also reflects poorly on the company doing the recruitment.
• Making your mind up in 10 seconds and then paying lip service to some additional process is incredibly disrespectful to applicants
Unlike you, ToMMy, I can’t read minds nor make up as much shit … but I can read NVC’s pretty well … however relying on that is not enough … and who decided I was just employing “executives” …
The “ten seconds” comment was silly in light of your pedantic nature – but other more intelligent commenters and lurkers would have got the gist of my statement. In fact reading other comments, they did …
You may have “some experience etc” … and talking of being “respectful” one of the practices these days I find very disrespectful is not advising people that they have been unsuccessful …
Having said that, I suggest rather than your attempts at belittling my comments and me at every turn (which only demonstrates your own insecurity and ego tripping) … you should spend less time behind closed doors “talking the talk” … and more time walking the walk with the real people in business … plane trips and travelogues don’t cut it at the mine face …
I could make up shit about you easily enough … I can imagine what the underlings say about you …
Unfortunately, once again, you achieved your objective – as someone who pays “more tax than most Australians” … got us off the subject of PENALTY RATES for the lowest paid!
I doubt you have ever had any respect for anyone than yourself …
And BTW … if I had decided that I would not be employing someone – I told them – as nicely as possible – when the interview was over … so that they could then continue their job search … I’ve sat waiting expectantly myself … and had two separate jobs offered to me six months after the interview … saying we’ll be in touch is cruel! And cowardly.
ToM
I consider many of my responses to be poor practice for all prospective employees yet this is now the norm, do it online, no contact, total ignorance and indifference to peoples hopes of being employed. A disgraceful attitude by departments now called Human RESOUCES ( now a resource to be used and disposed of ) than Personnel Department which is a much better term for the people being expected to perform for your business and a much better term of respect for prospective employees that you are commenting about.
Most people who work in HR are cunts.
most?
Are you sure you are not underestimating there reb?
The money and the system behind the right wing propaganda war on everyone.
Robert Mercer: the big data billionaire waging war on mainstream media
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
…With links to Donald Trump, Steve Bannon and Nigel Farage, the rightwing US computer scientist is at the heart of a multimillion-dollar propaganda network…
…We’re not quite in the alternative reality where the actual news has become “FAKE news!!!” But we’re almost there. Out on Twitter, the new transnational battleground for the future, someone I follow tweets a quote by Marshall McLuhan, the great information theorist of the 60s. “World War III will be a guerrilla information war,” it says. “With no divisions between military and civilian participation.”
By that definition we’re already there…
The “ten seconds” comment was silly
Finally I agree with you.
Shane I agree that the practices yo outlined are unacceptable for any application – whether a machine operator or a senior executive.
The poor practice also damages the brand and standing of the business, it makes no sense to be lazy/take short cuts when people are showing interest in a company
ToM
Agree with you completely and it all came from the good old USA. You know so called worlds best practice !!!!
“”Are you sure you are not underestimating there reb?””
I was going to say they’re all cunts, but there’s some I haven’t met yet.
We’re not quite in the alternative reality where the actual news has become “FAKE news!!!”
This is obviously not referring to Oz the Grate, we’ve been there for quite a time now 😉
A dud from the initial concept …
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/chinas-claim-it-has-quantum-radar-may-leave-17-billion-f35-naked/news-story/207ac01ff3107d21a9f36e54b6f0fbab
And The Mad Monk upped the ante even tho’ it had been questioned :
Pity the pilots …
I was going to say they’re all cunts, but there’s some I haven’t met yet.
So many of them have a union background, it’s understandable
Got a link?
da-manderine,,,,more than 120 cases have been filed internationally under various `free-trade` agreements. Water and waste management giant Veolia sued the government of Egypt for lifting the minimum wage. Canada is being sued for a ban on fracking. Germany was sued for its phasing out of nuclear power. All these actions were taken under ISDS clauses in free trade pacts,,,,
,,,,Surely ISDS clauses, as anti-democratic and anti-national interest as they are, are concocted and consented to by bureaucrats and politicians perverted by the influence of the very same legal and advisory firms whose multinational clients stand to benefit from ISDS lawsuits. The game is stitched up. Transparency is key, yet there is zero public visibility of these machinations,,,,
# ,, sounds like `diplomatic-immunity` for corporations armchair. Too bad some arse-hole around here didn`t work that out (-: (-: (-;
# ,, pretty good mandarine post armchair, l don`t know about you, but the only nit-pick l would have is the `tense`, as in `its-coming`, which as far as l`m concerned, its `already-here` and in many aspects, well entrenched.
# ,, l hope the mandarine `dig` into the `govt-contractor` aspect more, its loaded with fraud and treasury theft, the jobactive/ centerlink ponzi scheme would be a good place to start.
Just who runs this country? The Gestapo?
And this paragraph is “disturbing” to say the least!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/27/centrelink-recipients-data-released-by-department-to-counter-public-criticism
Sorry shane. Whether they are called personnel or hr is a load of crap. While it might be smart, reasonable, etc to `head-hunt` and intensively interview multiple times boardroom and those others paid `extravagantly` for long periods, and `sort` hundreds of candidates. Most of the hr/p-dept stuff is pure bullshit, to `justify` their own existance, particularly for the bottom level, casual, short-term, junk-job worker, which is being `processed` the same way. Over the last 2-plus decades l have taken `4-week-jobs` in various factories and other places, between construction jobs. l ALWAYS know l have a total fcuking imbecile in front of me as soon as l hear `where-do-you see-ya`self-in 5?-years`. And l no longer want the job. This is just a fcuking time-waster, carrying on with bullshit. l usually reply `not-here`.
Drain
We will agree to disagree I detest being called a human resource. A resource to me is a pen or a computer etc. I much prefer to be part of personnel. So it might be crap to you but it certainly is not to me. Most of the other bullshit you talk about, which I agree with, came in at the same time as the change to a Human Resource
The Gestapo?
They’re pussies compared to what we have
Sorry shane.
The real problem is that line managers have abrogated their responsibility to interview and employ people … and their is STILL a good reason for that … most managers are still promoted via Peter’s Principle … they are not trained to select staff … and the other end of that is discipline and if necessary terminate staff …
Problem then is that HRM are not experienced in line management needs … (staff management appointments are different – as our resident pedant has attempted to point out)
I detest being called a human resource
Strange you should say that, Shane … my major is HRD (definitely NOT HRM) and I’ve always struggled with the HR? A resource is a crane …
Shane, it doesn`t matter the `brand` of the bullet, whether it is `hr` or `personnel` or other, previous or future. lt is way more important to understand the bullshit they go on with, so you don`t get shot. Tho Teebz has spent time in this bubble, he is bang-on with the promoting the imbeciles to the point of catastrophic failure.
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Did everybody up-thread screeching about fake-news; enjoy sweet zoe-daniels learning some lessons on reportland tonight? The comedy was fantastic. (-:
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Following reportland my abc had science talking-heads on; which said 90% of world reefs are doomed. As l said ages ago (to-dumpty) #too.late