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  1. February 24, 2017 1:57 pm

    “”Hours after savage attack on Malcolm Turnbull, Tony Abbott pledges ‘full support’ for PM””

    🙂 🙂 🙂

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hours-after-savage-attack-on-malcolm-turnbull-tony-abbott-pledges-full-support-for-pm-20170224-gukfvt.html

  2. February 24, 2017 2:30 pm

    The LULZ keep on coming… 🙂

    “what an utter destructive force, an utter waste of space this man has been…”

    http://www.afr.com/opinion/tony-abbott-even-his-friends-now-say-he-is-a-liar-and-a-clunkhead-20170224-gukkca#ixzz4ZZMepHgD

  3. February 24, 2017 4:08 pm

    “His hatred is profound, his anger is deepening and his impatience is growing”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-24/tony-abbott-political-assassin-analysis-by-chris-uhlmann/8301248

  4. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2017 6:25 pm

    we’ll cut the RET, to help with your power bills

    yea, righto yabot, what about this?

    Government modelling shows power prices will fall if RET stays

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-modelling-shows-power-prices-will-fall-if-ret-stays-20140624-zskbd.html

    Which grubmint was that modelling done under again?

    I suppose, if they can get away with the Carbon Tax lie, even AFTER they admit it was never a Carbon Tax (hence, no lie), with the media’s help, they can get away with anything.

    Will the media help them out this time?

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2017 8:02 pm

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2017 10:31 am

    Fahour is being touted as being successful, because Australia Post made a profit of $197 million this year …

    That’s typical in the 21st century – decisions are always made about making money …

    Stop to think … the SERVICE from Australia Post had DETERIORATED … that isn’t success … that’s abject failure … but lots of money was made … hey?

    Uber Kapitalism … for the Elites …

    The Revolution is coming …

    Join The Revolution Party today!

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2017 10:32 am

    Update …

    Join TARP – The Australian Revolution Party – we cover everything!

  8. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2017 1:17 pm

    Stop to think … the SERVICE from Australia Post had DETERIORATED … that isn’t success … that’s abject failure … but lots of money was made … hey?

    I AGREE!

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2017 2:55 am

  10. February 27, 2017 7:25 am

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  11. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2017 9:24 am

    well done malcayman

    It looks like our msm was correct, malcaymans attack on Shorten WAS a game changer 😉

  12. February 27, 2017 10:03 am

    LULZ… 🙂

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2017 2:19 pm

    Surfing great Kelly Slater has called for a “serious” shark cull in the waters off the island of Réunion, after a surfer was killed in the area last week, bringing the number of attacks to 20 since 2011.
    The 11-time world champion posted to his Instagram account, saying there was a “clear imbalance happening in the ocean there” and the French government “needs to figure this out ASAP”.

    And not just on Reunion!

    As a friend recently observed – How would bushwalkers feel in there were wild packs of hungry wolves roaming parkland?

    http://www.theage.com.au/sport/kelly-slater-calls-for-serious-shark-cull-on-reunion-island-20170227-gulzcr.html

  14. shaneinqld permalink
    February 27, 2017 3:03 pm

    Wild packs of hungry wolves do roam many national parks. Its a risk you take, same as bears in other National Parks.

    Killing everything in sight seems such a great answer by so many who think only Human Beings deserve protection and the whole planet.

    I go swimming in the ocean and accept the risks of sharks, jelly fish, stone fish, blue ringed octopus, etc etc. I would never want them all killed just so I could swim in the ocean. Do you not think that our trawling everything in the ocean for food could be causing the so called problem we have. Life is full of risks but somehow we believe we should kill things to reduce that risk rather than accept it or look at what we have done to cause it.

  15. February 27, 2017 3:20 pm

    Finally, someone shining some light on the reality of the penalty rates cuts..

    To the extent that businesses achieve nothing more than spreading essentially the same amount of sales over longer opening hours – which I think is quite likely – they’re likely to be worse off rather than better.

    The economy-wide benefits will be small, as will the net gain in employment.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/dont-be-sure-lower-penalties-mean-more-jobs-20150806-giti4j.html

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2017 3:27 pm

    8 fatal wolf attacks in North America in 100 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America

    72 fatalities in Australia in the past 50 years, and the number is increasing!

    There’s a big difference in the scale of the danger Shane.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2017 3:32 pm

    What utter HYPOCRISY!

    The Turnbull government can afford to breathe a sigh of relief.

    Its standing in opinion polls may have slumped, but figures due later week look set to show a solid rebound in economic growth during the final three months of 2016.

    New data shows company profits soared 20.1 per cent in the December quarter – the biggest quarterly jump in more than 15 years – raising the views of economists ahead of Wednesday’s release of the Australia’s latest growth rate.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/soaring-profits-a-boost-to-gdp-growth/news-story/2c5705323470d354542f2594128fabd0

    Pity the people on penalty rates can’t breathe a sigh of relief!!!!

  18. shaneinqld permalink
    February 27, 2017 6:21 pm

    ToM

    Scale of danger is relevant to what you are doing. So you think we should kill species to reduce the scale to a scale pre determined by humanity.

    Do you think it has something to do with less food for the sharks because we are stealing it all or is that not an issue you contemplate.

    How many wolves have been shot and killed in the USA. Maybe this is why there are so few attacks. Probably be extinct in all but zoos soon. Maybe we should only have sharks in Aquariums.

    ttp://www.oregonwild.org/about/press/one-thousand-wolves-killed-western-united-states

    10 people a year are killed by bee stings in Australia, shall we cull and exterminate bees.

    Species other than our own have a right to existence and their own territory, if we venture into that territory we take the risk.

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2017 7:32 am

    …Do you not think that our trawling everything in the ocean for food could be causing the so called problem we have…

    YES!

    And climate change has impacted on the temperature and acidity of the oceans.

    We need to cull humans. Instead of rushing into global wars we could educate and support women in third world countries so they might have contraceptive choices.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/22/david-attenborough-radio-times-interview-population_n_2524315.html

    ..David Attenborough has described humans as a “plague on Earth” that need to slow down breeding to stop the world’s population being reduced by more brutal means…

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2017 7:42 am

    Political donations: New data maps industries’ web of influence
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-09/political-donations-industry-dataset/8229192?pfmredir=sm

  21. February 28, 2017 12:29 pm

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  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2017 3:07 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-an-invitation-from-cory-bernardi-to-tony-abbott-20170227-gumpiu.html

    Even more evidence that The Greens just have no idea.

    Senator Di Natale asks Mr Fahour if he thinks his faith or ethnic background “has played a role” in discussions about his salary.

    FMD –
    • Mr Fahour is a public servant who is paid almost $6,000,000 a year. That’s quite a lot of money.
    • It’s 10 times as much as the Prime Minister, about 5 times as much as the Governor of the Reserve bank.
    • It’s a lot more than most CEOs of ASX companies.
    • So what’s it got to do with “faith” or ethnic background”- the fact is he’s paid an excessive amount for a public servant.

    The Greens are FITH.
    Greens leader Richard Di Natale sees the dilemma of Australia Post. He wonders if the government could do anything in relation to private sector pay to “level the playing field”.

    And how would the Greens propose to level the field? Obviously not by having the public sector benchmark themselves against other public servants.

    He’s running the f***ing Post Office and he’s paid about 10 times as much as his counterpart in the USA!!!

  23. Tom R permalink
    February 28, 2017 3:56 pm

    It’s probably because pooleen hanson rabbitted on about the fact that he gave money to an Islamic institution, and then held him out, and only him, as an example of salaries gone mad.

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 28, 2017 4:08 pm

    and then held him out, and only him, as an example of salaries gone mad.

    Perhaps because he is a Public Servant earning 10x more than the PM. There is a case for saying nobody in the PS eg ABC should earn more than the PM. If they don’t like it they can go somewhere else.

    And it annoys me that PS get 15.5% Super when everybody else is on 9%

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2017 4:27 pm

    Pauline Hanson is a f***wit. And I don’t think rational people support her and her redneck mates.

    She’s popular in Queensland you know.

    But the Greens seem to want to pay this guy plenty without saying it.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2017 7:46 pm

    He’s running the f***ing Post Office and he’s paid about 10 times as much as his counterpart in the USA!!!

    Now yer cooking! AND fucked the SERVICE up too!

    he gave money to an Islamic institution, and then held him out, and only him, as an example of salaries gone mad.

    Not just an Islamic Museum (actually) but run by his brother-in-law or sister in law anyway nepotism rears its ugly head …

    As for the fush end chup shep owner she can only cook chups and then has to study the fush … doing both creates a real problem … One Nation!

    Did I tell you my parents ran a chippy when I was a kid (11yo) ? My bedroom was over the shop … half a crown to rumble and eye a hundredweight bag of potatoes (do yer own numbers) … in a cold wet cellar, in a UK winter … delivered to three mills each lunch (came home from school at lunchtime and hopped on my bike) sixpence “tip” from each mill … 🙂

    And ToMMy gives me shit every comment … he ain’t lived!

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2017 8:39 pm

    THis woman is destroying the ABC … and she doesn’t earn $5.6 million!

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/28/michelle-guthrie-says-it-is-not-her-job-to-lobby-for-abc-funding

    Stupid? Incompetent? Or Liberal ideologue? Or all three?

    She has single handedly destroyed Lateline and Regional radio!

  28. March 1, 2017 1:15 am

    guardian,,,,In response to concerns raised that people without shortwave would lose the emergency broadcasts during floods, fires, and cyclones, Guthrie said the ABC was not the emergency broadcaster in the NT.

    A spokesman for the ABC later clarified Guthrie was referring specifically to ABC shortwave as an emergency service provider,,,,

    # ,, l saw part of this on my abc24, and the chick grilling guthrie was fantastic, while guthrie waffled nonsense in reply to just about everything. The `only` thing guthrie seemed interested in was `teh-budget` of my abc, not the `charter`, and not aware she was basically taking a chunk of the budget/ services `away` from rural aussies, and `give` it to capital-city aussies that have plenty of access to other media. The guardian is `failing` by not including that part. And guthrie is just a willful teabag stooge.

    # ,, on the feminista front, guthrie, like many other of our lame chicks-in-charge, will make many baulk at those `quotas` we keep getting told we should have. l suppose mammamia will be giving guthrie a free pass too.

  29. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2017 6:35 am

    THis woman is destroying the ABC

    That was kinda in the job description 😉

  30. shaneinqld permalink
    March 1, 2017 7:05 am

    Guthrie needs to stop and take a breath, In the bush we are constantly told the ABC is our emergency broadcaster. They never tell you the ABC is your emergency broadcaster only when it suits them and their transmission types. If shortwave is the only means of communication in certain areas, then it must be maintained at any cost. Barnaby where the hell are you in protecting the rural and isolated communities ?. Oh that’s right fighting and demanding staff move to Armidale for your pork barrelling exercise while losing most experienced staff.

  31. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2017 9:18 am

    Guthrie needs to stop and take a breath

    Why? She is doing precisely what she has been tasked with. As bad as she is, don’t take it out on her, take it out on malcayman, who is driving this.

    And to think, the abc bent over backwards to appease him before the election that saw Labor get turfed out. Idiots!

  32. March 1, 2017 4:23 pm

    the,,,,election that saw Labor get turfed out,,,,

    # ,, still in denial hey team-cheerer. You obviously still don`t accept the team self-imploded by knifing kevin07. While my abc has turned to crap on many levels, they didn`t knife kevin07. You still don`t comprehend (or-want-to) that when the team knifed kevin07, they also crapped all over the swing voters, that grit their teeth and voted for the kevin07 surrogate (local-member). The team has also failed to `clean-house` from the `knifing-era`, so they are stuck with blib (who is also soiling plib and albo future leaders) building votes for xeno, greenz, hinch, lambie, others. Also not my abc`s fault. lf you noticed today, talkbull was pounding blib pretty good at QT today. The system that provided `wage-cuts` was set-up by the team, and is independent. Created in the `image` of blib`s previous life. lt is a very fcuking sad day when the zombies can get to walk away as wages get chopped because the so-called `workers-friends` made possible the wage-cuts. l also think these polls are a little bit bullshit, 2-party preferred particularly, as it maintains a delusion that it will be `blib` or `talkbull`, and the rest don`t exist. Let`s see what happens on the west-coast, or whether sweet george christiansen is still a teabumpkin at next election. Never has there been a more `exciting` time to be an australian voter WITHOUT a team. Just ask Shane.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2017 6:13 pm

    CLASS WARS LIBERAL STYLE … IS THIS CHEMICAL WARFARE AGAINST THE POOREST AUSTRALIANS?

    A No Brainer Alright!

    Tobacco Treatment Specialist Dr Colin Mendelsohn from the University of NSW School of Public Health has calculated that a pack-a-day smoker on 20 cigarettes a day spends $7,300 a year on cigarettes — with that number increasing by 12.5 per cent each year in tobacco taxes.

    By contrast Associate Professor Mendelsohn assesses the typical cost of “vaping” or using nicotine e-cigarettes for the same period would be $1,150 per year — an annual saving of $6,150 for every smoker who switched.

    Scientific studies have also found that vaping is 95 per cent safer than smoking but the TGA last month upheld a rule banning liquid nicotine — even though cigarettes riddled with deadly cancer-causing substances are still freely available at every supermarket and corner store.

    “So vaping is at least 85 per cent less expensive than smoking and 95 per cent safer. You will be richer and healthier if you make the switch to vaping,” Associate Professor Mendelsohn told news.com.au.

    “To me, that’s a no brainer.”

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/decision-could-cost-millions-of-australians-6000-a-year/news-story/aee8a80a977219665fd73315f42c5112

  34. shaneinqld permalink
    March 1, 2017 6:27 pm

    This morning I read the speech that Donald Trump was going to make. I did not want to watch him as I do not find him or his demeanour appealing. However reading his speech I found myself agreeing with many of the things he had to say. Not all but many. The thing is many of his aims and goals go completely against the Republican model as I know it. Could this be a change of heart by republicans or are they simply along for the ride. Will they implement what he wants or will they thwart it to ensure their own agenda. I truly am prepared to give this man 12 months and see what he has achieved in that time. Building a wall between the USA and Mexico sounds silly but if it achieves what he aims for it to achieve then it might be a good thing. I know so much of it is rhetoric but it is what people want to hear.

    Unlike Pauline who votes in tandem with the LNP on every matter that she may as well be an offshoot. It seems Donald has a mix of proposals that hang from both side of the fence. Hopefully the republicans will be too scared to go against him.

    If he achieves nothing then he is a false prophet and they will vote accordingly. If he has told lies and does not do what he says he will do he will face their wrath as well as lose their vote. If he manages to achieve a lot of what he promises then he will be a hero.

    I just hope someone keeps his hands off the nuke buttons.

  35. shaneinqld permalink
    March 1, 2017 7:00 pm

    TB

    Looks like big tobacco is more important than the welfare of our citizens pockets and health.

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 1, 2017 7:04 pm

    CLASS WARS LIBERAL STYLE … IS THIS CHEMICAL WARFARE AGAINST THE POOREST AUSTRALIANS?

    Well i clicked on the link and it said this

    That’s how much a typical smoker could save if they switched to e-cigarettes but the Therapeutic Goods Administration last month ruled to keep the quitting devices illegal.

    So nothing has changed. The quitting devices were illegal and the new decision keeps them illegal. So what is your point?

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2017 7:14 pm

    I did not want to watch him as I do not find him or his demeanour appealing.

    Bullies have never been my favourite people … especially obscenely rich ones who inherited the wealth …

    I truly am prepared to give this man 12 months …

    And only twelve months …

    Building a wall between the USA and Mexico sounds silly but if it achieves what he aims for it to achieve then it might be a good thing.

    Building walls in modern history has never achieved much … its not as if Mexicans are “invading” militarily … the reason Hadrian built “his” wall … and Qin Shi Huang built The great Wall of China …

    Will Trump station snipers as the Russians did on the Berlin Wall … always struck me as “odd ” that the Israelis do to others (and worse) what was done to them … the Torah doesn’t mention turning the other cheek tho’ …

    I know so much of it is rhetoric but it is what people want to hear.

    Who?

    Unlike Pauline who votes in tandem with the LNP on every matter that she may as well be an offshoot.

    She is … kicked out of the Liberal Party …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Hanson

    But now the Tories are more right wing … and it seems so are a large proportion of voters … in all Western style democracies … shiver …

    If he achieves nothing then he is a false prophet …

    I’d put money on that … he’s a puppet … with a hidden agenda of his own … grunt, grunt … way too unpredictable …

    If he has told lies …

    We know he does …

    I just hope someone keeps his hands off the nuke buttons.

    Mmmm … you’re fired!

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2017 8:21 pm

    So nothing has changed. The quitting devices were illegal and the new decision keeps them illegal. So what is your point?

    You don’t live with yer Mum at all, neel, do you? … you live in a lunatic asylum run by Russian scientists!

    Comprehension has never been your strong point …

    I switch between you being a dumb high school student, a dementia sufferer, a moron, an idiot or an imbecile …

    Let me clarify for you …

    So vaping is at least 85 per cent less expensive than smoking and 95 per cent safer</b.. You will be richer and healthier if you make the switch to vaping,” Associate Professor Mendelsohn told news.com.au.

    85% less expensive means … a safer (by 95%) experience for an annual saving of $6000 … for people that smoke – but a big drop in revenue for the government from tobacco excise!

    BUT LESS REVENUE for the arsehole government ruining every true Australian’s life … bit by fkn bit …

    REVELATION!

    Your just a Liberal Party robot!

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2017 8:22 pm

    Your just a Liberal Party robot!

    Don’t you fkn dare ToMMy!

  40. Feeling`Swampy`Teabag permalink
    March 1, 2017 8:27 pm

    Shane,,,,every business only employs enough people to do a passable job, no more and no less ( well sometimes[#often] less ),,,,

    # ,, yep agree, and it is also another weakness being entrenched into our system so that china and india can eat our lunch.

    +++++

    Hey Teebz, mendleson is probably a baccy-stooge. They have been claiming unstudied `vapes` are `much` safer since day-one, and big-baccy has been buying them up. Also funny to see you making the `safer-smoke` argument too, when l said `that` team-nanny roxon jumped all over me. To me, outlawing the thousands of chemicals in smokes was also a no-brainer that would have gone well with the military-grade packaging. lnstead of just tax-hiking consumers onto black market.

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 1, 2017 8:38 pm

    85% less expensive means … a safer (by 95%) experience for an annual saving of $6000 … for people that smoke – but a big drop in revenue for the government from tobacco excise!

    Then why didn’t Labor do something when in power? Anyway your link said this

    Therapeutic Goods Administration last month ruled to keep the quitting devices illegal

    What has the Therapeutic Goods Administration got to do with the govt? I would suspect most govts would go with the advice they receive if govt has anything to do with this decision and the decision was to keep the device illegal. Perhaps they had a good reason we do not know about.

    Anyway your motive is obvious. Just to trash people you do not like. Facts and honesty have nothing to do with your post.

  42. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2017 9:43 pm

    and 95 per cent safer

    Got a link fer that?

    The dangers of buying electronic cigarettes

    Some overseas studies suggest that electronic cigarettes containing nicotine may be dangerous, delivering unreliable doses of nicotine (above or below the stated quantity), or containing toxic chemicals or carcinogens, or leaking nicotine. Leaked nicotine is a poisoning hazard for the user of electronic cigarettes, as well as others around them, particularly children. Dangerous and lethal doses of nicotine can be absorbed through the skin. Electronic cigarettes containing substances other than nicotine have not been assessed for safety.

    https://www.tga.gov.au/community-qa/electronic-cigarettes

    Personally, I’d think it prudent to determine the safety of these things before pushing their potential. I know for a fact my son, who never smoked, is now hooked on these things. He now has smokers cough, after only six months. And is getting every bug he comes in contact with.

    They may be ‘illegal’ as a Therapeutic , but they are being sold by the truck load as a recreational product. Personally, I’d like to see them banned as that as well until more/some studies are done as to their effects.

  43. Feeling`Swampy`Teabag permalink
    March 1, 2017 9:59 pm

    That`s interesting team-cheerer, l thought teebz was abandoning team-nanny a little too rapidly.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2017 11:53 pm

    Got a link fer that?

    Try here …

    TB Queensland permalink

    March 1, 2017 6:13 pm

    Electronic cigarettes containing substances other than nicotine have not been assessed for safety.

    Yep, its the byproducts of tobacco that are the problem (cancers etc) … nicotine is an addictive narcotic …

    I’m only quoting a medic … I hate the shyte …

    I quit smoking at 32 (started at 11) I hate the things … but after going cold turkey (I smoked 30+ a day) I’m sympathetic to the nicotine addiction problem …

    I know for a fact my son …

    And I get that too!

  45. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2017 5:51 am

    Try here …

    Yes TB, I understand that you took that from a quote in a ltdnews story. But his claim is at odds with the TGA, who state that

    There is currently insufficient evidence to conclude whether e-cigarettes can benefit smokers in quitting, or about the extent of their potential harms. It is recommended that health authorities act to minimise harm until evidence of safety, quality and efficacy can be produced. NHMRC is currently funding research into the safety and efficacy of e-cigarettes for smoking cessation.

    Yet the ltdnews quote comes out with a very specific figure of “95% safer”, and, since it is ltdnews, I thought a quick google was in order

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a17137/vaping-smoking-study-problems/

    😉

  46. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2017 6:06 am

    fer the swampy thing. You seem in need 😉

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:06 am

    Any action that is intended to make smoking less socially acceptable is fine with me.

    Only a complete imbecile would wish to return to gaudy, youth appealing cigarette packaging etc.

    Or maybe an incomplete imbecile)

  48. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:25 am

    Or maybe an incomplete imbecile

    That seems closer 😉

    Although, not sure about ‘any’ action.

    As I said, all e-cigs seem to do is re-invigorate the ‘cool’ smoking. And, we really don’t know the implications. As I said, I’ve watched my son go through … well, what I did when I started smoking the real things (long kicked now)

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:46 am

    Any action that is intended to make smoking less socially acceptable is fine with me.

    Well you would have to take that up with the TGA

    Therapeutic Goods Administration last month ruled to keep the quitting devices illegal

    TB posted the link to try and slime the Coalition. I doubt they had anything to do with the decision. If TGA is a govt department i guess the relevant Minister just goes with the given advice. Same goes for that abortion drug Tony Abbott allegedly banned. The advice at the time was that it was not safe. That is why Plibersek did not approve the drug until the latter years of the ALP govt.

  50. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2017 10:32 am

    Yesterday Mr Abbott released the advice prepared by his department
    ……….
    Labor’s health spokeswoman, Julia Gillard, said RU486 should be dealt with like every other pharmaceutical, by the experts at the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/ban-on-abortion-pill-to-stay/2005/11/15/1132016796635.html

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 11:08 am

    The TGA did not approve RU486 until 2012 otherwise Labor could have approved it in 2007 when they won govt

    http://www.smh.com.au//breaking-news-national/abortion-pill-ru486-approved-by-tga-20120830-25344.html

    The controversial abortion pill RU486 will be widely available in Australia from later this year after the national drug regulator approved its registration.

    The drug has been available here since 2006 but only under tight controls.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 11:10 am

    TB posted the link to try and slime the Coalition.

    Paranoid ideologue …

    Same goes for that abortion drug Tony Abbott allegedly banned. The advice at the time was that it was not safe

    Link?

    The only document that banned it was the bible … fancy making a failed priest health minister … can’t manage the economy, can’t manage, health, can’t manage, welfare, can’t manage education and training …

    Can lie, cheat, deceive, steal and obfuscate …

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 11:49 am

    Paranoid ideologue …

    I call it as i see it. You spend your miserable life telling lies about people who have a different opinion to you

    Link?

    Obviously you made your post too early

    http://www.smh.com.au//breaking-news-national/abortion-pill-ru486-approved-by-tga-20120830-25344.html

    The controversial abortion pill RU486 will be widely available in Australia from later this year after the national drug regulator approved its registration……..Federal Health Minister Tanya Plibersek on Thursday welcomed the listing of RU486 and a drug used in conjunction with it called misoprostol.

    “The TGA is an independent body and the Australian government has not intervened in the listing process,” Ms Plibersek said in a statement.

    The article was dated 2012. The deceitful ALP did not get around to putting it on the PBS until 2013 just before they lost govt.

    If the Bible had anything to do with it why did not Pluckaduck do something in 2007 when Rudd won govt?

  54. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2017 1:10 pm

    From your link nil

    In February 2006 parliament – following a passionate conscience vote – stripped then health minister Tony Abbott of the right to veto the drug and handed regulatory control to the TGA.

    yabot tried to stop the TGA from evaluating it, because of “advice prepared by his department”

    It does take a while for these things to go through an assessment period.

    It could have been earlier if yabot hadn’t played dog

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 1:15 pm

    Can lie, cheat, deceive, steal and obfuscate …

    TOOOOOOOO funny. The master of these things gives me his opinion.

    TB have you apologised for locking up 8,469 children? No? I guess you never will because you have no concept of wrong

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 1:20 pm

    In February 2006 parliament – following a passionate conscience vote – stripped then health minister Tony Abbott of the right to veto the drug

    Then why did it take to 2012 for the TGA to give the drug the green light? Sounds like some politics was going on. Abbott was just following the advice he received. ALP deadbeats wanted the drug legalised no matter how dangerous it may or may no have been

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 2, 2017 2:55 pm

    I think phasing in the penalty rate changes will start in 2018, with a minor change, and complete the reduction over 3 years.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 3:24 pm

    Pointless ideological nonsense … how to stir up the peasants – take their daily bread away from the poorest in the land!

    How quickly politicians forget.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 2, 2017 3:55 pm

    What? Did all those ALP appointees stir up the peasants!?

  60. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2017 4:13 pm

    What? Did all those ALP appointees stir up the peasants!?

    Irrelevant who appointed them. It happened under THIS grubmint.

    Interesting to note, this is about the only time this grubmint has refused to intervene with an “independent” agency

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 2, 2017 4:51 pm

    ALP legislation. ALP award review. ALP appointtes.

    You’re clutcing at straws to blame the government

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 4:53 pm

    In February 2006 parliament – following a passionate conscience vote – stripped then health minister Tony Abbott of the right to veto the drug and handed regulatory control to the TGA.

    By the way that statement sounds like lefties throwing their weight around. Same goes for TB saying those smoking things should be legalised against TGA advice. RU486 was thought to be dangerous at the time. Abbott just followed Departmental advice.

    Why is it that Labor supporters always play politics with the lives of people.

    BUT LESS REVENUE for the arsehole government ruining every true Australian’s life … bit by fkn bit …

    REVELATION!

    No TB. e-cigarettes are still illegal because the TGA says so. If you want to make them legal get into govt and legalised them.

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 5:19 pm

    ALP legislation. ALP award review. ALP appointtes.

    You’re clutcing at straws to blame the government

    (I think you meant “appointees” and “clutching”) 🙂 😀

    And … NO.

    The LNP argued for the pay cut (still are) … the ALP argued against it (still are)

    The LNP were so overjoyed at the ideological “thin edge of the wedge” win they were wetting themselves with joy … the ALP were (still are) pissed off!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Same goes for TB saying those smoking things should be legalised against TGA advice.

    I didn’t say it … these “experts” did … I’d ban nicotine smoking, from any source, tomorrow!

    Tobacco Treatment Specialist Dr Colin Mendelsohn from the University of NSW School of Public Health has calculated that a pack-a-day smoker on 20 cigarettes a day spends $7,300 a year on cigarettes — with that number increasing by 12.5 per cent each year in tobacco taxes.

    By contrast Associate Professor Mendelsohn assesses the typical cost of “vaping” or using nicotine e-cigarettes for the same period would be $1,150 per year — an annual saving of $6,150 for every smoker who switched.

    Scientific studies have also found that vaping is 95 per cent safer than smoking

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 5:21 pm

    So ToSY, Wally and splatterbum formed a little clique and went off to play somewhere else?

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 5:32 pm

    I didn’t say it … these “experts” did … I’d ban nicotine smoking, from any source, tomorrow!

    No TB. You were playing politics with the lives of people. You found a link which slimes the Coalition and then you posted it. Like all lefties you do not care about people.

  66. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2017 6:13 pm

    You’re clutcing at straws to blame the government

    Yep, Blame Bill

    How long have this mob been in power again?

    The LNP argued for the pay cut (still are) … the ALP argued against it (still are)

    And that’s all anybody needs to know 😉

  67. March 2, 2017 6:19 pm

    team-cheerer March 2, 2017 9:25 am

    Fully agree TomR. l think big-baccy has plowed into e-cig as a `gateway` To (or-Back-to) baccy, which is why the west-coast outlawed the `sale` of them (l-think) tho not wasting time on `possession`. (as-far as-l-know) One thing l don`t understand is why is it that X-smokers seem to really, really, really, really, HATE baccy, while those of us that either don`t smoke, or only smoke `non-regularly` (just don`t want it blown in our face) don`t get bothered by it. Does the same happen with problem drinkers, choof, pharma, street-drugs X-consumers?

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 7:20 pm

    The LNP argued for the pay cut (still are)

    Link?

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 7:35 pm

    I almost put up a link …

    I have a link … but you can find it yourself … it will help you to research at school …

    Just keep making silly statements …

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 8:13 pm

    but you can find it yourself

    Why don’t you help me out. You said this

    The LNP argued for the pay cut (still are)

    Why play games?Just show me the link. I think the Coalition did want something done with penalty rates. I would like to see what they said.

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 2, 2017 8:15 pm

    The LNP argued for the pay cut (still are)

    I’m also interested in seeing some evidence of that

  72. March 2, 2017 8:31 pm

    The teabags are in full-retreat today and don`t want to `own` any of their own wet-dreams. Sabra asked talkbull on radio 4-times whether he thought the `wage-cuts` were `good`, to which he blatherer and fluffed each time. So much for leadership and vision huh? The abcc wet-dream is being run from too. Dude crushed to death from falling load on construction `barge`, dude has 16-month kid, and one in oven. Teh-onions saftey-rep was denied access for inspection by construction-corp. #yaaaaay.abcc #preventable

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 8:59 pm

    Jobson Growthe … my arse … she’s on holiday in the Cayman Islands!

    Control the peasants! Fetch me another port, Dutton, there’s a good chap …

    ONE …

    … no defence of penalty rates here …

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2015/s4322137.htm

    Just a reminder … “evil exists where good folk do nothing” …

    At law, you are as guilty of “omissions” as you are of “acts” … that cause harm to others …

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:08 pm

    Just a reminder … “evil exists where good folk do nothing” …

    Tb- Penalty rates were introduced to stop people working on the weekend. Back in the day when Australians were more religious the idea was that a man should stay at home on the weekend and spend some time with his wife and kids. So penalties were introduced to keep a man at home on the weekends.

    Times have changed.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:14 pm

    Times have changed.

    Yes they have … but not the cost of survival in LNP controlled Commonwealth … in fact real wages are declining …

    And if religious times have changed – why can’t same sex couples marry?

    Tb- Penalty rates were introduced to stop people working on the weekend.

    I’d like to see a link for that …

    According to your Liberal mates and you … isn’t a cut to the wage of people working on Sunday to increase jobs?

    Bizarre comments for over a decade now …

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:21 pm

    in fact real wages are declining …

    Like you give a stuff. All you care about is stuffing your fundamentalists beliefs down everybodies throat.

    I know all about you. You locked up 8,469 children from 2007-2013.That is all i need to know what you are.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:48 pm

    I see TB, so when you specifically say – The LNP argued for the pay cut (still are)

    You mean they’ve not done that.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:54 pm

    You mean they’ve not done that.

    Amusing … but childish …

    TWO …

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-mps-plot-to-strip-workers-weekend-and-holiday-penalty-rates-20140307-34cw8.html

    Fool some of the people some of the time …

  79. March 2, 2017 9:57 pm

    Guffaw! Somebody just arse-fcuked the teabag fundamentalist with their own ipa-junior managers handbook. (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 9:58 pm

    Like you give a stuff.

    I give a stuff for many reasons … my father fought for the pay and conditions of workers … I fought for pay and conditions of my teams … I have adult and teenage grandchildren who work weekends and study … I have friends who work weekends – to make ends meet …

    You know nothing – neel of sydley!*

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2017 10:05 pm

    THREE … (but not last)

    And to finish off the evening express … an ideological look at penalty rates …

    New Resources Minister Josh Frydenberg has backed Sunday penalty rates reform, declaring it “an area we need to look at’’ as the ACTU opposes any changes in the area.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/josh-frydenberg-backs-reform-of-sunday-penalty-rates/news-story/1c0178d3725a37f00219723d4a253b3c?sv=c9564eb5826233c696497e40885822b

    Apologies gratefully received …

    Of course the fkn LNP wanted the penalty rates cut (why would you argue they didn’t?) … and the ALP couldn’t believe the stupidity of the decision … neither can I …

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Brisbane Broncos 26 …. Cronulla Sharks 18

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 8:39 am

    TB- you specifically said the Libs argued for a pay cut. I can’t see that ducking discussion about the subject represents that.

    In the deep north, do you speak the same language as us?

  83. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2017 8:48 am

    you specifically said the Libs argued for a pay cut.

    How do you interpret this then?

    New Resources Minister Josh Frydenberg has backed Sunday penalty rates reform, declaring it “an area we need to look at’’

    Or was he implying they should get more?

  84. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2017 8:58 am

    Tell ’em they’re dreamin’

    Like the AFP will do anything against their Masters

    Centrelink: Labor asks police to investigate release of welfare recipient’s data

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/02/centrelink-labor-asks-police-to-investigate-release-of-welfare-recipients-data

    Although tudge should go for this. But, then again, he should go simply for the robodebt fiasco.

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 3, 2017 9:03 am

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 3, 2017 9:19 am

    Parmalat dispute shows it’s unfair bargaining, not penalty rates, that is the real danger to Aussie workers [$wall]
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/03/02/echuca-parmalat-workers-locked-out-for-months-offered-lower-pay-and-conditions/

    Workers in a dairy plant in regional Victoria have been locked out of their factory for months, and their employer wants to cut their pay and conditions in a new deal. And it’s all completely legal…

  87. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2017 9:24 am

    Govt tacitly saying our education system is great at producing lots of burger flippers, not so good with skilled workers. Think about it

    They have, and their outcome is as desired. This time by bastardising Gonski (with the help of the )liberal) states)

    I suppose that’s Bill’s fault too?

    The sad truth about education: it’s easier to blame someone else than fix the problem
    ……….
    There’s more. Although the non-government sector enrols less than 20 per cent of all disadvantaged students, the nine-year increase for non-government schools was 9.8 per cent, whereas the increase for government schools was only 3.3 per cent.

    So, does spending more money buy better school performance? Not if you spend it on more of the wrong things.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-sad-truth-about-education-its-easier-to-blame-someone-else-than-fix-the-problem-20170227-gumq31

    Still lining the pockets of the spivs, at the expense of most taxpayers, and with a bastardised version of Gonski (yep, Bill’s fault)

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 9:39 am

    “It’s the vibe” isn’t the same as specifically “arguing ”

    But I speak English, not Outpost

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 9:42 am

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-sessions-russia-20170302-story.html

    Another example of Trump’s corrupt administration

  90. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2017 10:02 am

    “It’s the vibe” isn’t the same as specifically “arguing ”

    ROFL

    Says the guy who crapped on for years about a certain “Carbon Tax” lie that never was \

    ROFL

    Heads up, I speak Eenglish too, and I know exactly what he (and the rest) are saying. He is saying that he backs Sunday penalty rates reform

    It’s pretty black and white.

    And, why is malcayman so ready to intervene with the ‘independent authority” on truckies or the cfa yet is silent on this issue

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2017 11:08 am

    “…which quietly passed the House of Representatives on Thursday with bipartisan support…”

    And the ALP said … it seems the government can’t be trusted with personal information? FFS!

    How stupid are these overpaid idiots …?

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2017 11:16 am

    There are none so blind, ToMMy … as those who do not wish to see …

  93. No Mandate permalink
    March 3, 2017 11:55 am

    “In the past, the Government has got a number of things wrong. All governments do. I seek, however, to admit it,” ….”For example, I don’t think our actions on the CARBON TAX were right. That’s why I changed it and moved towards a floating price…..”To begin with we didn’t have a MANDATE for it. Furthermore, a floating price is the best response to changing international markets, so I have changed that.”

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 11:59 am

    It’s entirely reasonable to request that you show where the Libs have specifically argued for the reduction , because ducking the issue really doesn’t qualify as arguing dor it.

    But that’s ok TB, you’re from both Yorkshire and Queensland and therefore prone to exaggeration

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 12:01 pm

    for…

    …. hand held devices aren’t good for spelling!

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 12:51 pm

    with Liberal MPs suggesting higher rates of pay across the seven day working week as a possible trade-off

    From your link Shane… restructuring rates is what unions constantly negotiate.

    Unnamed sources suggesting changes to penalties be compensated in some other way isn’t really arguing for a pay reduction.

  97. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2017 1:07 pm

    Mr Turnbull said that Sunday penalty rates, which can be up to twice the weekday hourly wage and are in excess of the time and a half paid in some sectors on Saturday, was an artifact of history.

    “The only reason they’re different, I assume, is history,” Mr Turnbull said Fairfax radio station 3AW, adding that “of course” Australians now lived and worked in a seven day economy.

    Again, pretty unambiguous

    Except for illiterates

    Of course, he uses ‘could’ get higher rates, but that hasn’t been the outcome, has it. When Unions negotiate, it’s a MUST have better rates.

    Are you ready yet to aplogise to TB?

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 1:51 pm

    One person’s obfuscation is another’s vociferous support. It seems quite common.

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2017 2:33 pm

    But that’s ok TB, you’re from both Yorkshire and Queensland and therefore prone to exaggeration

    That’s a bloody convincing argument … ToMMY …

  100. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2017 3:05 pm

    I wouldn’t call what you are doing ‘obfuscation’ yomm, it seems closer to trolling 😉

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 3:16 pm

    What? Being contentious and discussing comments is trolling!

    Everyone is a troll here! That’s nice.

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2017 3:23 pm

    But I speak English, not Outpost

    er, you actually speak Mexican …

    What? Being contentious and discussing comments is trolling!

    Being obnoxious and sounding like a very close cousin of neel’s, is …

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2017 4:04 pm

    One person’s obnoxiousness is simply pointed enquiry to another.

  104. March 3, 2017 4:29 pm

    Did we `all` notice everybody`s favorite tweet came back into play today?

    Remember when fake-news and idiot pollies followed mr-rabbit down his `shirt-fronting` rabbit hole by ignoring 16-jets had already been shot-down over a war-zone?

    Well `in-house` idiots will feel comforted that the real-deal didn`t slaughter mr-rabbit at the (g20/g8?) today, and shook the meek-looking mr-rabbits hand. No nads for any `shirt-fronting` after all.

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2017 4:41 pm

    One person’s obnoxiousness is simply pointed enquiry to another.

    Just how much of that bottle have you finished off?

  106. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2017 6:23 pm

    Being obnoxious

    A far better terminology for what yomm is doing 😉

    Next thing you know, he’ll start claiming he was never a vociferous supporter of workchoices 🙂

  107. March 3, 2017 6:35 pm

    armchair, l read a similar post elsewhere that doesn`t make my fake news bunny-ears twitch as much as crikey does.

    gorg,,,,About 65 workers at the Parmalat dairy factory in Echuca, Victoria, have been locked out since January 18 in a dispute over the company`s plan to radically slash pay for new employees,,,,

    # ,, my bunny-ears think this is `reasonable`, it is `their` gates, and they lock them as they please.

    gorg,,,,Parmalat is a national dairy company, whose brands include Pauls, Oak and Vaalia,,,,

    # ,, my bunny-ears think they may be `too-big` to fail

    gorg,,,,In February last year it was bought by French-based company Lactalis, the largest dairy manufacturing company in the world,,,,

    # ,, my bunny-ears tell me rich folks selling stuff to each other is called `investment`.

    gorg,,,,Emmanuel Besnier, CEO of Lactalis, has a personal worth of $6.7 billion and in 2015, Parmalat Australia`s sales revenue was $1.65 billion,,,,

    gorg,,,,The company proposed a 9% wage rise over three years for existing workers on the condition that all newly-hired `workers` would be paid 20% less than `existing` employees,,,,

    # ,, my bunny-ears are fretting that it will take too long for Besnier to get his next billion, so sacking `existing` workers and re-hiring them for less as `new` next month sounds `reasonable`.

    # ,, as we scrolled down the page, my bunny-ears laid-back in fright of the photo of lee-rhiannon.

    https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/workers-locked-out-dairy-giant-parmalat

  108. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 3, 2017 6:52 pm

    ToM

    MPs suggesting government intervention is nothing other than wanting penalty rates reduced. Proposing alternatives from a government that has given no pay rise to its own employees for three years while sucking us dry themselves with allowances and rorts demonstrates what utter crap they spin from their mouths.

    You want to see what happens with tradeoffs then read Drains comments above.

    Living in a bubble where the weekly wage will increase as a trade off is obviously something from Disneyland.

    This will be the death of this government as the hundreds of thousands to be effected have relatives and friends.

  109. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2017 9:45 pm

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2017 10:09 pm

    Are you ready yet to aplogise to TB?

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2017 10:13 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/03/turnbull-ramps-up-national-security-rhetoric-saying-australia-is-destroying-isis

    Well that makes me feel safer … what stupidity … next Turnbull will be telling ISIS where our troops are based and that they have been out burning mosques and pillaging villages … what an incompetent fool!

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2017 7:37 am

    It’s time for TB to apologize for his exaggeration and hyperbole

  113. March 4, 2017 8:13 am

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  114. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2017 8:36 am

    lol reb, yomms having a barnie moment from the sounds lol

    I blame all the CARPS!

  115. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 4, 2017 8:54 am

    Just another company and NOT a union being corrupt and flouting the law. When is the RC going to commence because companies are now far worse than any union and that includes the CFMEU, ToM.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/world-business/how-uber-used-secret-greyball-tool-to-deceive-authorities-in-australia-20170303-guqm23.html

  116. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 4, 2017 3:28 pm

    This will be the death of this government as the hundreds of thousands to be effected have relatives and friends.

    The current govt had nothing to do with the decision. Although i suspect they would have welcomed it.

    Facts is hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard. It would be nice if the people who lost their jobs under Labor could get some work

  117. March 4, 2017 3:32 pm

    Shane, l reckon the uber thing will go down in a screaming heap for many. The greyball tool proves that uber is intentionally breaking laws and by default uber drivers too. Smart gun-runners and local drug-lords will be loving uber-drivers tho. No officer, its `their` car and `their` drugs, delivery with built-in alibi. And the driver will be fcuked because uber-corp will resist co-operation and won`t be forwarding evidence that saves `driver` and also convicts uber-corp of tax-cheating or law-breaking. Like most things tho, the public will have to endure another topics cycle of useful-idiots being used to wreck something; with govt-fools unable to see the forest from the trees.

  118. March 4, 2017 5:03 pm

    Well, it seems my abc has been trolling the joint reb. Stan grant has been given the friday reportland slot, called `the-link`.

    Pinkists, heftys, leftists, treehuggers, alarmists and other assorted NON-teabags that want to get out of the fake-news echo-chamber should definitely iview/youtube the-links first episode, first story. lt starts with grant asking aussies on the street about politicians, with follow-up interview with a yank dude (democat-cheerer) and get some `good` info for yourself. #highly.recommend (and you know l don`t say that very often)

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2017 7:41 pm

    It’s time for TB to apologize for his exaggeration and hyperbole

    The difference between mine and yours, ToMMy … is that mine tend to turn out to be right … very right … always right … and ideologically right wing causation …

    Never gloat to terrorists … just go in and blister them … they don’t know where it comes from unless … YOU FKN TELL THEM!

    TurnAbbott: “Australia is destroying ISIS …”

    Dumb and the dumbest … “shit happens” … but not it seems to Tory … Prime Meddlers

  120. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2017 7:59 pm

    … very right … always right …

    That wound looks to be in need of some salt 🙂

  121. March 4, 2017 10:19 pm

    Funny seeing the fact-free fcuker `demanding` apologies from others. #wanker

  122. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 5, 2017 6:26 am

    Hello RC where are you ?. How long can this government hold out against business corruption which is far more endemic than any union corruption, affecting many more lives and with massive amounts of money.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/im-just-a-brokendown-old-shearer–cba-faces-grilling-over-comminsure-20170303-guq7qm.html

  123. shaneinqld permalink
    March 5, 2017 6:53 am

    Spent some time with my Aunt and Uncle in Tamworth a couple of days ago. Die hard LNP voters. They are two of the 330,000 that had their pensions and health care slashed by the LNP at the start of this year. Guess who they are not voting for at the next election? and no they are not voting for ON either. While their votes alone will not change a seat that is rusted to the LNP at the moment. I wonder if it will swing back to Independent at the next election. One can only hope.

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 5, 2017 12:09 pm

    They are two of the 330,000 that had their pensions and health care slashed by the LNP at the start of this year

    How much were they slashed by? By the way were are in debt and rising thanks to Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them.

    Every stinking mess this country is facing was caused by Labor and the people who voted for them. Apparently we are spending $3B/year housing the 50,000 boat people Labor let into Australia

  125. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 5, 2017 12:18 pm

    Read the second last paragraph in this story. Pity the government didn’t acknowledge that with the ABC rather than slash funding and beat the broadcaster into submission.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/fake-news-has-arrived-in-queensland-politics-20170303-guqh97

  126. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 5, 2017 1:07 pm

    I agree with Trump about the media being fake. I guess it shows the bias of humans and who they vote for.

    Take the asylum seekers issue in Australia and the amount of money we spend housing these people. Apparently since 2013 we are spending $3B/year housing the people Labor put into detention. There are a million references on how much has been spent under the Coalition.

    But try and find how much was spent from 2007-2013 when Rudd/Gillard were locking all these people up and it is hard to find anything. The media was silent.

  127. shaneinqld permalink
    March 5, 2017 1:19 pm

    Pauline Hanson supports removing penalty rates. After her rants at the amount spent by the Federal Government I expected her to propose removal of the rorts and allowances she and the others enjoy at our expense, but sadly no. Only the lowest paid and the welfare recipients should have things taken from them. Hypocrite !

  128. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2017 2:15 pm

    By the way were are in debt and rising thanks to Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them.

    Except for the facts.

    Late last Friday the Finance Department revealed Australia’s net government debt is now $323,821 million. That is just over double the $161,253 million left by Labor in September 2013.
    ………………………

    That net debt has now doubled. Gross debt — the amount on which interest must be paid — is now $476,945 million, an increase of 97.9% over Labor’s level.

    https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/03/01/austin/

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 5, 2017 2:39 pm

    Except for the facts.

    The facts are Rudd/Gillard started a runaway debt truck which the Coalition has not been able to stop. It might have helped if the Senate had passed the spending cuts in the 2014 budget but they were called mean and nasty.

    Remember those stupid graphs with the arrow pointing out our low govt debt was back in 2014. Well it is not low any more. The May 2014 budget was the time to cut spending but Australia did not care.

    DEbt in2013= minus 3.8% of GDP ie less than zero
    Debt in 2013 =12%of GDP and exploding
    Debt in 2017 = 19% of GDP and we are in trouble

  130. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2017 3:06 pm

    runaway debt truck

    There was nothing runaway about it. Under Labors Treasury projections, it would have been almost paid off now.

    I guess they didn’t plan to give away billions to the rich without first working out, or at least making sure, it could be paid for.

    Remember …… the GFC?

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 5, 2017 3:20 pm

    There was nothing runaway about it. Under Labors Treasury projections, it would have been almost paid off now.

    Are you a comedian? Projections like these?

    http://budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/speech/html/speech.htm

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    In an uncertain and fast‑changing world, we walk tall — as a nation confidently living within its means.

    This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time.

    Wayne Swan Budget Speech May 2013

    Most of the Treasury officials from 2007-2013 should be in prison because none of their projections were even close to the actual outcome.

  132. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2017 3:32 pm

    Yea nil, those ones.

    They had a plan, that has been shown in reflection to have been accurate, although delayed.

  133. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 5, 2017 3:49 pm

    Have you seen the Treasury projections in the 2010 PEFO? Swans last budget was supposed to be in surplus.

    There was nothing accurate in Treasury projections from 2007-2013. Also as Swan stated to the whole world in his 2012 Budget Speech his next and last budget in May 2013 was supposed to be a surplus.

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    March 5, 2017 4:44 pm

    As the pope leaves Rome for a retreat to mark Lent, rebellion and turmoil are in the air

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/04/vatican-civil-war-conservatives-battle-francis-lent

    God Save the Pope … because no-one can save the Vatican …

    The Right Wing Disease (RWD) is everywhere it seems …

  135. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2017 6:00 pm

    … because no-one can save the Vatican …

    Neither should they, after what the RC uncovered.

    I’ve lived in filth I’ve lived in sin
    And I still smell cleaner than the shit you’re in

  136. March 5, 2017 6:16 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  137. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2017 9:20 pm

    Everyone is already positioning themselves

    I guess that includes those with Popcorn?

  138. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2017 9:41 pm

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    March 5, 2017 11:15 pm

    Yeah, let them eat cake!

  140. Tom R permalink
    March 6, 2017 10:01 am

  141. The Truth is Out There permalink
    March 6, 2017 10:33 am
  142. The Truth is Out There permalink
    March 6, 2017 10:34 am

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2017 11:19 am

    Yep, ALP legislation, ALP appointments, ALP specifically provided FWC with the power to reduce penalties… but… BLAME THE LIBERALS!!

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2017 11:31 am

    So perhaps one of the ALP barrackers could explain why Shorten (as IR Minister) introduced the specific amendment that gave the FWC the power to reduce penalty rates

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2017 12:39 pm

    Roberts?

    The ISSUE is that the review does not reflect the current economic picture … wages are going down (haven’t seen a lifestyle or cost of living analysis for some time – convenient?)

    Business profits are going through the roof … why even GDP is up … everything but wages and conditions for employees …

    A review into penalty rates should have seen that …

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2017 12:43 pm

    But your into Roberts’ style conspiracy theories, ToM …

    Not once have I heard you express any sympathy for the people who will lose pay … all I read is – its all Labor’s fault especially Bill Shorten … and you accuse me of being partisan?

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2017 1:21 pm

    No TB, I’ve posted about the issue several times. But you’re the one who said the ALP always opposed this.

    But the fact is Shorten changed the legislation to allow this.

    And the entire process is the one the ALP introduced, that must really annoy you in view of your earlier comments

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2017 1:25 pm

    You might recall this comment TB…

    “the ALP argued against it (still are)

    It’s both partisan and fact free!

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 6, 2017 2:00 pm

    Yep, ALP legislation, ALP appointments, ALP specifically provided FWC with the power to reduce penalties

    Wow just imagine if the Coalition had done something like that under Howard. The violent lefties would have been out in force.

    If it helps small business employ more people reducing penalty rates may be a good idea.

  150. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 6, 2017 7:06 pm

    ToM

    Maybe the ALP changed its mind. Isn’t that what many LNP members have done over climate change, changed their mind.

    I believe it was wrong of the ALP to give the commission those powers, however the ALP then argued against reducing penalty rates. The LNP smirked and cheered the decision and I also showed you evidence of LNP members also threatening to override the decision if it did not reduce penalty rates.

    I would much rather someone change their mind and argue against taking money from the poor, than support the change while giving $50,000,000,000 to those already making record profits while slashing staff and outsourcing jobs overseas.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2017 7:40 pm

    But you’re the one who said the ALP always opposed this.

    They opposed the decision … and still do … or are you so one-eyed?

    You are obsessed with the fact that the process was set in train by Labor* … who never expected a CUT … the review would be expected to increase along with wages, cost of living, profits, GDP …

    The only thing that hasn’t risen is … wages … and these dolts hurt the lowest paid in the country!

    *like all supporters of the LNP and the slashing of income of anyone struggling to survive …

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2017 7:46 pm

    Another “mortified” LIBERAL Minister buying property (negative gearing? CGT? Anyone)

    While they gloat over a Sunday penalty pay cut for the poorest in the land!

    It would be funny if it wasn’t so frigging cruel, cold hearted, self-centred and elitist!

    Sick people … hey, ToM?

    Michaelia Cash is “mortified” she missed the deadline to declare the purchase of an investment property, Malcolm Turnbull has said.

    Cash bought an investment property in Floreat, Western Australia, which she declared on 21 January, then declared a Bankwest mortgage for an investment property on 21 February.

    On Monday Fairfax Media reported that from the purchase date of 4 November, the employment minister took 78 days to declare the house and 109 days to declare the mortgage.

    Under the rules, knowingly failing to update the register within 35 days can constitute a “serious contempt” of the Senate. The report said Cash had only declared the mortgage after she was asked about it on 20 February.

    Asked about Cash’s failure to meet the declaration deadline on 3AW on Monday, the prime minister said she was “mortified” and had apologised.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/06/michaelia-cash-mortified-to-miss-investment-declaration-deadline-turnbull-says

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2017 7:51 pm

    And another Fuckwit LIBERAL Minister …

    Beef is produced! Gas is a “natural” resource (ie it belongs to ALL Australians)

    One mindset – profit, profit, profit … for their mates!

    So much its hard to keep up!

    Resources minister uses a steak analogy to argue against domestic gas reservation policy, saying rationing doesn’t work in other markets

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/06/reserving-natural-gas-for-australian-market-wouldnt-have-good-outcome-says-matt-canavan

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2017 8:07 pm

    They opposed the decision … and still do … or are you so one-eyed?

    Then is Shorten incompetent or dishonest? He specifically introduced the legislation to provide this very power to FWC.

    It must be annoying to be such a dyed in the wool baracker and inconvenient facts keep popping up.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2017 8:23 pm

    …and the ALP has been opposed to this decision for the period they’ve been in opposition, while they were in government-
    * they changed legislation to provide this specific power to the FWC
    * provided the requirement that FWC conduct this very review
    * nominated every member of the full bench that made this decision

    Other than all that they are opposed to all this.

    Which bit of that did I get wrong TB?

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2017 9:04 pm

    they changed legislation to provide this specific power to the FWC

    TO REVIEW! NOT CUT!

    Which bit of that did I get wrong TB?

    None … but the decision is wrong … I don’t give a shit about the politics … I give a shit about kids who work on Sundays … and all the other people who work on Sundays … and more particularly the cold hearted “don’t give a shit” attitude of Liberal ideologues like you …

    The ahahah Labor shot themselves in the foot BS doesn’t affect me … Shorten if anything made a disastrous mistake … but that doesn’t make the decision RIGHT (or does it? Arrogantly right!) Elitist thinking …

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 6, 2017 9:06 pm

    than support the change while giving $50,000,000,000 to those already making record profits while slashing staff and outsourcing jobs overseas.

    The initial tax cuts are to small business which employs 4.7M Australians. I do not think many small businesses outsource jobs overseas.

    And i am not sure how poor are people who work on the weekend are. I could be wrong but i suspect a lot of them are students living with their parents.

  158. March 6, 2017 10:12 pm

    Shane, that fairfax post is a cracker, l LOL the whole way thru.

    Even crazy-clive was funny and correct. (-:

    l hope you aren`t getting too unhinged on the braying-media`s behalf, as they have been peddling fake-news well before the-ronald started belting them.

    Take a look at our local braying-media, limited-news produces endless pr-drivel for the teabags which is occassionally diluted with information, resulting in near 100% fake-news. At the other-end of `their-own-spectrum` is my abc, which goes to great pains to ensure that airtime-minutes spent on `reality`(truth,fact) is `balanced` with equal airtime minutes of `denial`, resulting in a `minimum` of 50% fake-news. And don`t forget all the examples of fake-news in the mediawatch database, which highlights the networks and press dressing-up pr, promotion and all the other forms of advertisings as so-called `news`, to deceive the viewer.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2017 10:56 pm

    Yeah right TB. There’s nothing political about your commentary on the subject, particularly not this-

    The LNP argued for the pay cut (still are) … the ALP argued against it (still are)

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2017 11:11 pm

    Just trying to shut you up answering another tedious question … ToM

    What’s yer problem? You consider yourself to be bipartisan ? LOL!

    Sleep tight don’t let the money bugs bite …

  161. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 6:47 am

    He specifically introduced the legislation to provide this very power to FWC.

    With the expectation that decisions would be made with compelling evidence, not ‘the vibe’

    Yes, they were stupid for thinking the libs would play by the rules. But that doesn’t make Labor or Shorten responsible for what happens under this grubmint.

  162. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 7:00 am

    This is another area where Labor have failed, by allowing the spivs and libs to get their hands on essential services, the NDIS just the latest of Labors well intentioned policies that has been bastardised to fill the pockets of the wealthy with taxpayer dollars. They did it with Gonski too. But this one is what upsets me the most, as they are now using the failure of privatisation to fight against renewables.

    Submissions made to the inquiry show that despite promises of cheaper power costs in Victoria, prices for consumers in Melbourne alone have increased 85.9% since privatisation. At the same time profits are flowing to private companies, widespread evidence shows that our communities are being damaged.

    In 2009, 173 people died during the Black Saturday Fires. The inquiry was told that:

    “Victoria’s Bush Fire Royal Commission made substantive findings about the contributing factors that led to the electrical fires which caused 119 of 173 deaths. The major contributing factors in all of the electrical fires were the age of the assets and the reduction in inspection timeliness and quality.”

    This is an industry quoted as making $2.7bn in profits while reliability and quality have significantly declined.

    Recent blackouts in South Australia too were attributed to the decisions of the private operator to withhold supply in in the face of high prices rather than a failure of sustainable power generation.

    The inquiry also heard that both the Singapore and Chinese Governments, as majority owners of distribution companies in Victoria, have stipulated that the purpose of owning Victoria’s assets is to use the profits to subsidise their national networks, helping keep cost of electricity low in China and Singapore.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/06/from-public-good-to-profit-margin-how-privatisation-is-failing-our-communities?CMP=share_btn_tw

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 7, 2017 8:44 am

    TB you post stuff that is simply not factual, and get annoyed when this is pointed out.

    For example, this is entirely at odds with your previous partisan comment- … I don’t give a shit about the politics …

    Clearly you do, and some of your comments are only based on your politics and have nothing to do with facts

  164. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 8:51 am

    I love they way they repeat their numerous accusations numerous times only to admit in the final line that they are all wrong

  165. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 9:05 am

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 7, 2017 9:30 am

    Double standards?

    How long did David Feeney wait to declare his properties?

  167. Political In Discretions permalink
    March 7, 2017 9:44 am

    (‘Tis still a mystery, then, how certain penalty rates in certain industries seemingly endured entirely unadjusted between then-IR Minister Shorten’s (im)probably (un)prompted and (un)characteristically shortsighted 2012+1 amendment and 2016+1/2017, despite Collier et al’s year-after-year-after-year-after-year broadsheet salivations and broadside salvos, and despite determined declamations by small business representatives and big business unions – in public, incessantly before the bench, in the runs-up to and wash-ups from elections precedent and subsequent, and in the instant case – just to fall over in another scheduled general review; which review specifically (de)compartmentalized certain acclaimed matters; and which side-review the full bench (self-)managed objectively, and delimitedly, but not so delimitedly as to subject itself to any particular, or any, testing other than a (self-)satisfied(ying) (re)interpretation of (re)presented prevailing legislative objects; and, apparently undeterred by prior ratiocination on the subject, proceeded to lop off one of the longer-standing limbs of penalty rates so-called, while fully and (un)reservedly embracing the promoted (in)comprehensive dictates of economic-rationalist (dis)utilitarianism underpinning the presumed real busyness of the modern awards framework’s social bargain; with the ensuing practically-charged and politically-loaded issue(s) of now-(re)become-transitionally/transactionally-necessary (re)balancing(s) minimised and/or maximised for further consideration(s) and determination(s) on (an)other one-of-seven/five-plus-two day(s), and/or apt for (in)direct) legislative oversight (all submissions gratefully received) and/or demotic feedback; or not?)

  168. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 9:44 am

    wow yomm, how did any other poli get into that, it’s about people being victimised by a poli, who in turn gets away with what she is victimising people with (or similar, for the pedants)

    talk about bi-polar

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    March 7, 2017 11:20 am

    For example, this is entirely at odds with your previous partisan comment- … I don’t give a shit about the politics …

    Out of context AGAIN … I don’t give a shit about the politics involved in the Penalty Pay Pillaging … THE politics not all politics …

    And I’m wondering why you give a shit about what I write here … you don’e seem to understand a word of it …

    Clearly you do, and some of your comments are only based on your politics and have nothing to do with facts

    As do yours … is this your Walter Mitty persona?

    Here’s a question for you, ToMMy …

    How do you feel about 200,000 lower paid workers having their pay cut when profits and GDP are soaring … politicians are breaking the rules and spending and investing like its their last Christmas?

    How do you feel about that?

    (Christ, even Christmas automatically gets a cap C … now jewish nuh, muslim nuh, Christian hahahaha … Buddha yes! islam nuh,

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    talk about bi-polar

    Odd you should say that today … TR … I removed it from my comment last night … “”””You consider yourself to be bipartisan ? LOL!”””

    I originally wrote … You consider yourself bipartisan or are you just bi-polar?

  170. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 11:57 am

    … I removed it from my comment last night …

    Yea, but did you remove it, or did I steal it?

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    March 7, 2017 1:56 pm

    Great minds?

    A Special Report For ToM of Malborn*

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/07/the-polling-on-penalty-rates-shows-populism-is-not-a-monolithic-beast

  172. March 7, 2017 3:54 pm

    How,,,,do you feel about 200,000 lower paid workers having their pay cut when profits and GDP are soaring,,,,

    # ,, more fool you teebz. By now should have deduced `every` comment he makes is a variation of ipa/teabag-troll crap. Of course he doesn`t give a flying fcuk about their wage-cuts or if they get sacked. #ditto.kneel

    # ,, l also noticed that you-lot didn`t notice that; `bystander-death` and `bystander-injury` had seeped into Aust`s news items in 2016. Watch as they become more `familiar` like `car-jacking` has.

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 7, 2017 4:45 pm

    A Special Report For ToM of Malborn*

    I presume TB, that this is you (again) not giving a flying f*** about the politics

  174. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 4:46 pm

    http://www.chaser.com.au/national/minister-who-forgot-about-buying-house-luckily-still-remembered-to-negatively-gear-it/

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 7, 2017 4:58 pm

    There sure are some happy places around.

    North Korea has barred Malaysians from leaving the country, prompting Malaysia to take tit-for-tat action, as police in Kuala Lumpur sought to question up to three men hiding in the North Korean embassy over the murder of Kim Jong Nam

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/north-korea-sends-malaysia-envoy-packing/news-story/439a4c2ab4b6501e1828e028f2cb6b97

  176. March 7, 2017 5:37 pm

    Yet l`m sure you approve of the work conditions. #teabag

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    March 7, 2017 7:37 pm

    I presume TB, that this is you (again) not giving a flying f*** about the politics

    And I presume that this is you, ToMMy, avoiding my question by asking another?

    Play silly games – get ’em back … no wonder you don’t like Unions! BOO!

    Answer my question above and I’ll answer yours …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    10!!!!* Rental properties – no wonder we don’t see any movement in NEGATIVE GEARING or CGT!

    The ordinary folk of this country are being pillaged by politicians, big business and big banks! – literally!

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    There sure are some happy places around.

    WTF does that mean? Are you on straight oxygen now?

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