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Pauline Hanson: Sideshow Freak or simply misunderstood?

March 7, 2017

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She’s considered a racist, redneck homophobe and imbecilic tadpole by pretty much everyone outside Queensland, but Pauline Hanson’s rapidly gaining a foothold in other parts of Australia including what’s lovingly called “Western Australia.”

But who is Pauline Hanson, and why would anyone really want to know?

These are two seemingly contradictory questions that not many people are asking and frankly who can blame them.

Those teetering on the brink of curiosity would have been well served to catch Ms Hanson displaying her knack of tapping into the “vibe” of what she calls “people out there” during a bizarre interview with Tracy Grimshaw on Channel Nine’s bastion of prime-time TV journalism “A Current Affair.”

Speaking to a somewhat bewildered Ms Grimshaw, who is now the size of a medium size dwelling, Hanson claimed that Muslims are “taking over Australia’s suburbs” by offering people “suitcases full of cash” to move out, and questioned whether there are any “good ones” living here.

Hanson denied her views were extreme and said she was speaking for “ordinary Australians” when she expressed fears that the country was being “overrun by Muslims.”

“I hear Australians that have lived just nice, quiet lives in their suburbs and then they’ve had Muslims come in there who have changed their suburbs,” Ms Hanson told the program.

“They’ve built these mosques and they have their cars parked across the driveway or they have rubbish thrown over their fences.

“Or they go and knock on their door because they won’t move out and threaten them. ‘Listen mate, you better take this suitcase full of cash and get out of here.’ It’s having an impact on our educational system and, you know, in our schools and our swimming baths. [It’s] their attitude.

“The burqa should absolutely go. This is Australia.”

“The full face covering I think is wrong. If they want to live that way and have their sharia law, then I suggest they go to a Muslim country.”

Asked if she believed there were any “good Muslims” living in Australia, Ms Hanson suggested they were difficult to spot.

“I believe there are some that want to live a good life and a quiet life,” she said.

“But you tell me — you line up a number of Muslims, who’s the good one?”

“Where are the Muslims who want to speak up more? Why aren’t we hearing from them?”

“How often do we ever hear from them Very, very rarely,” she said.

“Everything’s that been thrown and everything over the years, with all the media where were they, Tracy? Not to be seen. All right? I couldn’t care less what anyone says about this,Because I’ve got my self-esteem and self-respect and I really don’t care.”

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A line up of Ahmadiyya Muslims – hellbent on destroying our way of life during Clean Up Australia Day. But which one is the good one?

Ms Hanson, also said Australia was at risk of becoming a “third-world country” if the major parties did not get their act together.

“The grumbling from the people — they’re actually fed up with both sides of politics, whether it be Liberal, Labor or the Nationals, and they certainly don’t want the Greens.

“’People actually want to see One Nation in power. And that’s what I’m picking up all the time.”

ALL. THE..TIME…

 

 

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  1. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 7, 2017 6:46 pm

    If more people vote for the greens at the WA election than for ON will Pauline Hanson admit she is totally wrong and that there are plenty of people who want to vote greens and that the only THEY she was talking about were the rednecks living next door to her.

  2. In_the_sticks permalink
    March 7, 2017 7:36 pm

    Sideshow freak, and perfectly undertstood..

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    March 7, 2017 7:43 pm

    Line up a number of white Australians and name me the good one …

    I have no idea what the comment above means … just as I have no idea what Hanson says …

    (why do people call it Pauline or Pauline Hanson when they call Malcolm TurnAbbott … TurnAbbott … or Bill Shorten .. Shorten … its fucking dumb call it dumb … )

  4. Paulines`Favorite`Teabag permalink
    March 7, 2017 8:34 pm

    Shane,,,,If more people vote for the greens at the WA election,,,,

    # ,, sorry shane, the west-coast voters are much more likely to join the North_2/3rds of bananaland and vote for team-pauline over greenz. The pinkists should just chill-out and enjoy team-pauline eating the teabumpkins and teabags lunch. (-: There will probably be `much-fun` after the west-coast ballot, watching clowntown work itself into a panic.

    ,

    post,,,,Hanson, also said Australia was at risk of becoming a `third-world country` if the major parties did not get their act together.

    `The grumbling from the people; they`re actually fed up with both sides of politics, whether it be Liberal, Labor or the Nationals, and they certainly don’t want the Greens,,,,

    # ,, team-pauline is quite correct here, l reckon, they might even manage to bite team-blib a little too, the west-coast leader seemed a greasy-dill from what l saw on reportland last night.

  5. March 7, 2017 9:23 pm

    Hanson, also said Australia was at risk of becoming a `third-world country`

    A bit like Queensland really.

  6. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 9:59 pm

    Line up a number of white Australians and name me the good one …

    Tom R 🙂

    Hanson, also said Australia was at risk of becoming a `third-world country`

    A bit like Australia really.

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 7, 2017 10:14 pm

    BTW Did Ms Hanson or her small biz mates pay the higher Macca’s base rate on other days of the week?

    What is the point of that comment?

  8. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 10:18 pm

    What is the point of that comment?

    Obviously the bit that’s a bit sharp for you. 😉

  9. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2017 10:19 pm
  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 7, 2017 10:55 pm

    Obviously the bit that’s a bit sharp for you.

    I heard a small cafe owner complaining about the arrangement McDonalds made with the Union. For a slightly higher pay rate throughout the week McDonalds does not pay penalty rates on the weekend. They also get the slightly higher pay rate on the weekend. But it is still lower than the small cafe owner has to pay on the weekends because the cafe owner had to pay penalty rates.

  11. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 8, 2017 7:42 am

    PFT

    Hanson also said we would be overrun with Asians and she has finally admitted she was wrong. Now it is Muslims and Single Mothers. Grab an issue that is inflammatory and run with it as hard as you can. Create controversy and conflict with Fake News ( eg Vaccinations)

    If the Greens get a higher vote than ON will you stand beside her and also admit you were wrong.

    I do not profess to know the outcome but Ms Hanson seems to think she speaks for EVERYONE when she keeps using the words THEY and I am told all the time.

    Obviously she only speaks to listens to the citizens of her choosing.

    I await the result with interest.

  12. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2017 8:48 am

    So, the cafe owner was complaining that maccas pays their workers more throughout the week? Is that what you are saying nil?

    Also, in regards to the (un)FWC deliberations, they rested their decision on the ‘disutilty’ of working Sundays. They even went so far as to argue wtte ‘we don’t go to church as much’ (how lame is that, which just highlights how lame their decision is)

    BUT, my issue is, why just these lowest paid. Is ao on the chop, after all, ‘disutilty’ would be experienced by all on the same basis, wouldn’t it?

    Why is it limited to just the hospitality and retail industries?

    Is it just a matter of time before higher paying jobs get the axe too, or will they keep this as the current class war it so obviously is?

    Yes, agencies should have the power to make informed decisions. They should also be required to show, with evidence, how they got there. The (un)FWC haven’t been able to do that. Instead, they have cut the lowest paid workers pay (and ONLY them) at a time when pays are stagnant anyway.

    It is what happens when a grubmint politicizes agencies that should be independent, but as we all know, that does not happen under a liberal regime.

  13. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2017 9:00 am

    Now it is Muslims and Single Mothers.

    I’m gobsmacked how the media just run with this and ignore her past. It’s so blatantly aimed at vilification of the de jour vilification yet she is allowed to get away with it.

    Of course, the media being the media are there for themselves, and I did read a (tin foil hat) assessment that the msm (7 in particular) are quite keen to court her until a vote on upcoming media laws is settled.

    Luckily for Oz, hanson does more damage to herself the more she is seen. The downside is, it takes attention away from the damage the libs do to themselves the more they are seen.

    Luckily, there are still some in the msm with sense, and the ability (and power) to use it

    It has cost the budget a lot of money to make the prices of homes as hard to afford as they now are.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/politicians-have-worked-hard-to-make-houses-so-dear-20170306-gus3dh

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 8, 2017 9:32 am

    So, the cafe owner was complaining that maccas pays their workers more throughout the week? Is that what you are saying nil?

    Yes that is what i heard. But less on the weekend. Apparently the Union made this arrangement with McDonalds to abolish penalty rates for a slightly higher base rate which does not change on the weekend. The cafe owner said she did not like it because she had to pay penalty rates on the weekend.

    So what was the point of Bongiornos tweet?

  15. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2017 10:00 am

    So what was the point of Bongiornos tweet?

    I’m typing slow, so try and keep up.

    apparently, hanson said she heard from cafe owners what you heard.

    She said wtte that maccas don’t pay penalty rates to their workers like cafe owners do on Sunday because the Unions ‘abolished’ them.

    All bono was doing was pointing at that penalties were “traded” (temporarily) for an overall higher rate of pay throughout the week.

    It seems to be point missing from both you and hanson

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 8, 2017 10:39 am

    It seems to be point missing from both you and hanson

    No. I am not trying to make a point. Furthermore i made the statement that McDonalds had traded away penalty rates for a slightly higher base pay rate.

    The Cafe Owner on the radio said she cannot afford to pay penalty rates on the weekend so does not open. I did not know Hanson even made a comment.

    I just wanted to know the context of Bongiornos tweet

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 8, 2017 11:46 am

    Forgive this small intrusion, I’m just on m way out.

    Happy IWD!

    At ease now :).

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2017 1:55 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/07/catholic-church-children-buried-at-tuam-ireland

    And you wonder why I find organised religions a blight on the planet … especially the Catholic Church … a global hypocritical litany of death and child abuse … global!

    Still happening and still being denied …

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2017 1:57 pm

    Morals, Morals, Morals

    Driscoll was an arsehole working with arseholes … and I see another LNP member has jumped ship to the Hanson Whorehouse …

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2017 1:59 pm

    At ease now 🙂

    Happy IWD to you, KL … well earned too!

    Put a word in for all those blokes who DO try and make a difference … 😉

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2017 3:11 pm

    And you wonder why I find organised religions a blight on the planet … especially the Catholic Church …

    But they catholics don’t have is on their own.

    http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2017/mosul-oil/

    “Oily residue is pouring down from the sky.”
    One of Islamic State’s parting shots – setting oil wells on fire – is still making people sick in northern Iraq.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2017 3:14 pm

    But they catholics don’t have is on their own.

    I may be pedantic, but I need to correct myself!

    But the catholics don’t have it on their own.

  23. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 8, 2017 3:27 pm

    All bono was doing was pointing at that penalties were “traded” (temporarily) for an overall higher rate of pay throughout the week.

    By the way that sounds like something you could do with Workchoices.How long has it been legal to do something like that?

  24. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2017 3:42 pm

    By the way that sounds like something you could do with Workchoices.

    And that’s what they’d want you to believe.

  25. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 8, 2017 4:19 pm

    Morals, Morals, Morals

    Where on earth have we found all this political scum we currently have from both sides of the duopoly.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/cory-bernardis-1m-secret-show-why-the-parliamentary-rules-are-broken-20170308-gut9jo.html

  26. Harold permalink
    March 8, 2017 4:30 pm

    “Our Father
    Who Art in Heaven
    Harold be they Name”

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2017 5:35 pm

    It’s interesting that I hear some people lamenting that we don’t have more progressive leaders like Justin Tredeau and Angela Merkel.

    • Tredeau is a genuine progressive, and the fact that his parents were so prominent in politics hasn’t done him any harm (you’d know his mum & dad – Margaret Tredeau and Fidel Castro)

    • Angela Merkel is a Christian Democrat – hardly a progressive political movement – centre right, with a philosophy based on Catholicism

    Has the political pendulum swung so far that Christian Democrats are regarded as progressives?

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 8, 2017 5:37 pm

    And that’s what they’d want you to believe.

    Well i am willing to give Howard the benefit of the doubt. But i bet you pre-workchoices you could not trade away your penalty rates for a higher salary like the Union did with McDonalds. I wonder what the benefit is for both sides. Neither side would have agreed unless there was benefit.

  29. March 8, 2017 6:26 pm

    setting,,,,oil wells on fire,,,,

    # ,, chuckle, the `in-house` teabag is un-fcuking-believable aint it, dozens of `wells`, storage-tanks and pipelines have been going-up in smoke since da-catlicks(john-w,george-w,bliar) invaded iraq. Only occasional accident pre-invaded, like everywhere else. lt doesn`t suit the ipa-echo chamber to have a memory of that tho, as it would burn any remaining brain-cells their imbecile herd possess.

    # ,, but it doesn`t stop there, does it. This teabag `direct-action` has probably put `multiples` of our national pollution levels into the environment. And you can bet that neither `team` has calculated `warfare-enviro-damage` into their calculations for carbon-tax and/or `trading` scams either.

    # ,, Still reckon we`re not `all` fcuked?

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2017 7:38 pm

    But they catholics don’t have is on their own.

    You always deny the detail, ToMMy

    And you wonder why I find organised religions …

    And because more Catholics have bleated hypocrisy, lied, cheated, deceived, and stolen from me … I said …

    especially the Catholic Church

    As for setting oil wells on fire – that exactly what the Allies did in WWII and wars following … retreating troops have always had a “scorched earth” policy …

    Shifting to Muslims shows how shallow a person you really are … did you read the link (I doubt it) … all you have to do is read the link itself … centuries of church abuse … nay … millennia …

    It astounds me that there are still “defenders” of any “faith” …

    … and each morning I see the shiny Catholic school buses, bought using the public purse when local state school kids … catch a city bus, walk, ride a bike …

    Elitist inequality everywhere ..

    And ToM … I see you avoided my question of penalty rates … typical Catholic hypocrisy …

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2017 7:38 pm

    Oh dear forgot to close off the bold …

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2017 7:40 pm

    But i bet you pre-workchoices you could not trade away your penalty rates for a higher salary like the Union did with McDonalds.

    LOL! Its almost as funny as Looney Toons !!

  33. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 8, 2017 7:57 pm

    LOL! Its almost as funny as Looney Toons !!

    What is what i said funny? Apparently the Union made a deal with McDonalds to remove weekend penalty rates in exchange for a slightly higher wage. I suspect this would have been illegal before Workchoices. It does look like some people liked some aspects of Workchoices and have included some of the policies in new Union agreements. Same goes for cashing out annual leave which has now become possible in some organisations.

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2017 8:20 pm

    You’re so thin skinned TB. You seem to enjoy dishing it out but object to the return.

    1. Are child abusers citing clauses of the bible to as a legitimate reason for the abuse?
    2. I’m not a catholic, never have been – not even a lapsed one.
    3. And you accuse others of making inaccurate judgements

  35. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2017 9:27 pm

    Has the political pendulum swung so far that Christian Democrats are regarded as progressives?

    A true Conservative is, at their core, progressive, or, at worst, accepting of progressiveness, but in a very orderly fashion. The saying I’ve been hearing a lot lately is ‘Playford was the best Labor Premier this state had”.

    What we have now masquerading as ‘Conservatives’ are actually Obstructionist.

    So why can’t a Christian Democrat be progressive?

    I suspect this would have been illegal before Workchoices.

    I suspect you don’t have a clue.

  36. March 8, 2017 9:31 pm

    You`re so thin skinned boo-melb. You enjoy dishing it out but cowardly don`t supply explainers ya`self.

    1. Child abusing catlicks, citing `baby-cheeses` use `dog` as a `cover` for pedo-filing. 2. You defend pedo-filing, yet see `sufficient-wages` as a sin. 3. And you have NO judgement.

  37. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 8, 2017 9:45 pm

    I suspect you don’t have a clue

    Correct but prove me wrong. Before Workchoices could you trade away weekend penalty rates for a higher wage like the Union did with McDonalds?

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 9, 2017 5:17 am

  39. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 5:46 am

    ffs nil, google AWA

  40. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 6:19 am

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 9, 2017 6:55 am

    ffs nil, google AWA

    We were not talking about women. The Union and McDonalds made an arrangement to abolish penalty rates for a higher base salary. Sounds like Workchoices to me.

  42. shaneinqld permalink
    March 9, 2017 7:30 am

    Malcolm Turnbull the remover of diversity and the remover of jobs.

    This in 2014

    Read the last paragraph. Says it all with arrogance of total ignorance of those becoming unemployed.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/your-brisbane/briz-31-facing-bleak-future-20140915-10haqr.html

    Now this in 2017

    Free TV being swallowed up. Monoliths being allowed to monopolise the airwaves. Once again it appears donors are the winners, not the public and diversity.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/briz-31-ceases-television-broadcast-but-online-future-has-huge-potential-20170308-gutvuy.html

    The continual consolidation and monopolisation in all aspect of our lives is the moves of dictators.

  43. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 9, 2017 8:16 am

    Malcolm Turnbull the remover of diversity and the remover of jobs.

    In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling. Anybody who wanted a job could get one.

    In 2013 unemployment was at 5.8% and rising thanks to Rudd/Gillard and anybody who voted for them

  44. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 9:30 am

    Damn catholics…

    Yep, if it weren’t for the Crusades, who knows what might have happened 😉

    We were not talking about women.

    Is there some kind of facepalm icon handy fer wordpress? 🙄

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2017 10:20 am

    Yeah!! And Angela Merkel with all those catholic traditions of the Christian Democrats.

    Germany is just so anti asylum seeker and anti islam as a result of all that.

  46. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 11:01 am

    You know that Angela Merkel’s a Lutheran don’t you yomm?

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 11:23 am

    2. I’m not a catholic, never have been – not even a lapsed one.

    Did I say you were?

    Thin skinned … yeah … ToMMY … LOL! Unlike you.

    So thin skinned I’ve been targeted for ten years from your side of “bipartisan” politics …

    You seem to enjoy dishing it out but object to the return.

    I don’t “dish it out” … I have opinions … that many RWNJs find offensive … mainly because its the truth …

    Choose to dish on me then I will not turn by back nor the other check … I tend to react … to any threat as I have been trained and educated to do …

    And BTW many people here have “tried” to dish it out but tend to get carried away and become offensive … the difference between free speech and hate speech that seems to be lost on right wing ideologues …

    … did you actually read the story from Ireland and the mass grave of children in the cess pit? Or just run off at the keyboard?

    Now my questions to you about penalty rates? Y’know from an Elitist’s perspective …

    Or do you think its fair that millionaires don’t pay tax but workers at the bottom end of the chain get a pay cut … and the LNP says “hurray!!!!”

    Its insidious control …

    You being a high paying taxpayer should be angry about that?

    Germany is just so anti asylum seeker and anti islam as a result of all that.

    I think you meant Islam …

    Your comprehension or bitterness is so bad you still don’t read details …

    And you wonder why I find organised religions a blight on the planet …

    ALL RELIGIONS CAUSE MORE DAMAGE TO SOCIETY THAN ANY OTHER CAUSE I CAN THINK OF – INCLUDING NATURAL DISASTERS!

    They all encourage war, famine, starvation, disease, murder, rape, pillaging, instability, child abuse, stealing, lies, deceit … the list goes on …

    Not just one religion ALL religions …

    The Mightier Than Thou pomposity of the Catholic Church (who have a direct influence over me and mine via government) is absofknlutely astounding! And has more impact on me personally …

    But I am talking about ALL religions get it? Not just one! And you like many right wing ideologues are so one eyed you only see the crude attacks by the radical Islamists … while avoiding the covert and deceitful attacks by other religions …

    Rant over!

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2017 11:33 am

    Tom R – that’s why I talked about the party rather than her specifically. Those christians (Particularly Christian Democrats) and their catholic traditions just ruin everything don’t they?

    Those Christians have been a shocking blight on asylum seekers and engagement of other cultures – just ask TB.
    ————-
    You should review your comments TB, you’re very willing to dish is out.

    And if you weren’t suggesting I’m a catholic, what does this mean? –
    And ToM … I see you avoided my question of penalty rates … typical Catholic hypocrisy …

  49. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 2:16 pm

    I think they mean ‘Carbon Price’ 😉

  50. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 2:29 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-09/looming-gas-shortage-will-threaten-nations-power-supplies/8337204

  51. March 9, 2017 3:17 pm

    So I have received this complaint via The Gutter Trash mailbox:

    You are almost as foul-minded and foul-mouthed as Pauline Hanson when you make a sexist remark in one of your reports about Tracy Grimshaw’s body size “Speaking to a somewhat bewildered Ms Grimshaw, who is now the size of a medium size dwelling,”.

    It is sexist and lends nothing to the story.

    Pot calling the kettle black.

    How can it be considered sexist when I also called Joe Hockey a “fat cunt”.

    And saying she is the size of a house, isn’t really foul mouthed or foul minded is it? I mean, certainly not by my standards.

    The problem these days, is that people are just far too politically correct. It’s getting to the point where you can’t say anything.

    What is wrong with people.

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2017 3:40 pm

    Maybe just a bungalow

  53. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 4:04 pm

    So I have received this complaint via The Gutter Trash mailbox:

    People are just so mean, aren’t they reb

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 4:40 pm

    What is wrong with people.

    Ask ToM … I don’t know?

    And if you weren’t suggesting I’m a catholic, what does this mean? –
    And ToM … I see you avoided my question of penalty rates … typical Catholic hypocrisy

    Thin skinned people, perhaps? … lack of a sense of humour? … sarcasm is just a word?

    And actually, sreb … I think you are far more foul-mouthed and foul minded than Pauline Hanson … and far more fkn intelligent and knowledgeable … than the secret “GT Mailbox” sender …

    OMG! Not TG herself!

    I blame ToM … he’s been shitty all week … is Tom actually male?

    He’s still avoiding my question about Penalty Rate Cuts …

  55. March 9, 2017 4:56 pm

  56. March 9, 2017 4:58 pm

    “”OMG! Not TG herself!””

    No, but a “former Fairfax, Guardian, Irish Times, The Bulletin, BBC and RTE television journalist” apparently.

  57. March 9, 2017 5:23 pm

    from my abc24,,,,sweet katie-ellis is not standing for re-election, citing `family-reasons`,,,,

    # ,, not too long ago premier garden gnome said the same thing, tho now has joined nab high-flyers.

    # ,, l wonder if Ellis has `really` quit team-blib because; A.blib won`t make it, B.team xeno will probably knock-off her canoeland seat anyway, C.got a better corporate offer (-:

    +++++

    # ,, there is also lots of wikileaks fun, da-spooks have had their hacking tools and info dumped online, fcuking serve`em right for trying to inflict `1984` on everybody (-: Lots of LOLs to come on this one (-: (-: (-:

    +++++

    # ,, dude was also on spruiking solar with battery, not certain who dude was, possibly elan-musk, dude was pointing out the govt unable to supply `stable` gas to generators, and public should move to `self-power` and the grid feed-in price will eventually collapse.

    +++++

    boo-melb,,,,1. Are child abusers citing clauses of the bible to as a LEGitimate-REAson for the abuse?,,,,

    # ,, still don`t get it, do`ya fool, trying to even `pose` there is a `legitimate-reason` for child abuse, IS PEDO-defending.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 5:26 pm

    Does he/she have journalistic qualifications … ?

    Ahhh … a guessing game ?

    Mmmm … pommie by the look of the “resume” … and “former” ?

    Aw fk not the – Farnham Bear? Chuckle!

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 5:32 pm

    …and public should move to `self-power` and the grid feed-in price will eventually collapse.

    Aw ya!

    # ,, still don`t get it, do`ya fool, trying to even `pose` there is a `legitimate-reason` for child abuse, IS PEDO-defending.

    Typical Catholic hypocrisy … whether you are Catholic or not … still defending the FAITH!

    Just following orders … ain’t enough …

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 5:34 pm

    Bugger! FB was a Canuck! Mmmm …

    So I don’t waste precious time (at my age 🙂 ), is it someone we know … or are you a bit concerned about saying who?

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 7:37 pm

    Accident ? My arse … John Howard & The Private Schoolboy Bullies are still at it …

    Accident? GMAFB!

    Politics writ large …

    Is there an election on somewhere?

    At the same time as TurnAbbott is saying we trust the intelligence of the Australian people …

    HYPOCRITES!

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 7:37 pm

    Actually BULLSHIT ARTISTS!

  63. March 9, 2017 8:08 pm

    hey teebz, did you see on reportland, some businesses that use a large whack of juice are now returning to `own` generators and diesel. They reckon it is 30% cheaper than the grid-gouge. Yaaaaayyy back to the 1920s teabags! Also predicting east-coast black-outs in not too distant future. Oh just how fcuking delicious will it be if boltsland and jonesland have several blackouts on talkbulls watch, pissing of 58%-of population and creating havoc upon what remains of manufacturing. Yaaaayy Privatization Fever!

    # ,, as far as l know, this is only the 2nd item by reportland since the west-coast parliament identified grid abandonment over 2-years ago (but l`m not counting, wink,wink)

    +++++

    #correction ,, dude was big-wig from `tesla`, not elan-musk. (March 9, 2017 5:23 pm)

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 8:21 pm

    This guy is a trollop!

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trollop+meaning&*

    Note: prime minister … not … Prime Minister … it’s the little things that count! (Hey, ToM)

    The prime minister says the revelations are “very concerning” and he’ll be holding an urgent meeting of chief executives of east coast gas companies to find out how they plan to help their customers.

    “We need to have a very serious discussion about how they’re going to address this,” he told a business summit in Sydney on Thursday.

    Many changes were needed in the market to fix the issue, he added.

    But the PM laid the blame squarely on the states, mainly Labor governments, saying they were blocking onshore gas resource exploration and development.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pm-blames-states-for-gas-shortage-crisis/news-story/5b3eec906196a1a3ff19c93367335649

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 8:23 pm

    #correction ,, dude was big-wig from `tesla`, not elan-musk. (March 9, 2017 5:23 pm)

    Musk IS Tesla …

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 8:55 pm

    Something just dawned on me … yeah,I can be slow sometimes … but accusing someone of being “thin skinned” is a political insult … business people don’t generally use that term …

    So now we know that ToM is politically oriented … opposed to unions BOO! … and not in business … and (unless he’s fudging) not a Mick …

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2017 9:02 pm

    Christian democracy is a political ideology which emerged in nineteenth-century Europe under the influence of conservatism and Catholic social teaching, as well as Neo-Calvinism
    In practice, Christian democracy is often considered centre-right on cultural, social, and moral issues (and is thus a supporter of social conservatism), and it is considered centre-left “with respect to economic and labor issues, civil rights, and foreign policy

    No doubt they promote child molestation and all sorts of anti social behaviour, right TB?

    I mean look at Germany under Angela Merkel.

  68. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 9:24 pm

    It’s quite clear why yomm is so concerned about trying t link a current political party with it’s roots hundreds of years ago (and failing spectacularly I might add), anything to NOT talk about Penalty rates.

    And I can see why

    Is there ‘masses of evidence’ to support penalty rate cuts?

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/is-there-masses-of-evidence-to-support-penalty-rate-cuts,10090

    Yep, still waiting for this ‘masses’ of evidence.

  69. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2017 9:35 pm

    Is it passing strange to anyone that the country with the largest gas supplies in the world has a gas shortage?

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 9, 2017 9:52 pm

    Is it passing strange to anyone that the country with the largest gas supplies in the world has a gas shortage?

    Well you should be happy. Less burning of those nasty fossil fuels producing CO2 and allegedly destroying the planet.

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2017 11:37 pm

    Looney Tunes!

    dadaddadadadddadada!

  72. March 10, 2017 12:24 am

    blib should condemn cmfu2 #boo.hoo

    lf you notice teebz

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/03/09/03/33/qld-unions-to-rally-after-penalty-rate-cut

    Just like `christ-shun`, other people are also deciding `prime-meddler` is no longer deserving of any capital letterz (-:

  73. Try`Again`Teabag permalink
    March 10, 2017 12:57 am

    try-again,,,,dude was ANOTHER big-wig from `tesla`,,,,

    #hint, Lyndon rive

  74. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2017 6:28 am

  75. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2017 6:33 am

    Looks like renewables are the only answer.

    Too bad the libs killed investment in that area, for the short term anyway. Means we are stuck on the back foot, again.

    Some of the Queensland coal seam gas fields that inspired the construction of those three plants have turned out to be less productive and costlier than originally hoped.

    That has forced LNG operators to turn to the east coast’s conventional gas supplies, mainly from South Australia and Victoria, to fulfil their export contracts.

    These raids of the domestic market are putting huge upward pressure on local gas prices; gas was cheap until the LNG export boom kicked off.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-09/gas-prices-will-rise-and-there-is-not-much-we-can-do-to-stop-it/8340536

    I notice that tool uhlmann is very quiet these days.

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2017 7:54 am

    Looks like renewables are the only answer.

    No we need more coal fired power stations. There is no shortage of coal in Australia

  77. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2017 8:56 am

    There is no shortage of coal in Australia

    Or extreme weather events.

  78. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2017 9:07 am

    Outstanding article by Katharine Murphy. Finally, finger pointing where it belongs. EVERYWHERE! (well, I note she is silent on the media’s role in the ‘Carbon Price/tax’ wars) but I’ll take it when I can get it 🙂

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/09/australias-energy-policy-is-a-world-class-failure-and-abbott-wears-the-gold-medal-of-blame

  79. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2017 9:16 am

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2017 10:53 am

    March 10, 2017 6:28 am

    John Howard “accidentally” walked with a CH 7 & CH 9 camera crew into a union protest. Whatever

    My thoughts exactly when I saw the footage … if that was an “accident” then he should be sacking his security team (that we still PAY FOR!)

    Accident my arse!

    Now what needs a look over there? Penalty Rates? Renewables/Energy? Budget? NBN?**

    **We’ve been informed we should get the NBN here sometime between April and June … wonder how slow it will be?

    Telstra inform me that all our equipment is NBN capable and ready to go – I know … guess why, Telstra?

    I see ToMMy’s gone all quiet now too? 😉

    Must be discussing his reply to my questions re Penalty Rate cuts (perhaps the government will do a backflip and legislate not to go ahead?

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2017 11:04 am

    **We’ve been informed we should get the NBN here sometime between April and June … wonder how slow it will be?

    Well you are lucky to be getting connected. I don’t like Turnbull but changing the NBN from FTTP to FTTN means the NBN will be finished before you die.

    But having the govt build this thing is a mistake. Govt entities take 5x longer to build things than private enterprise.

  82. March 10, 2017 11:16 am

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  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2017 11:26 am

    What was wrong with workchoices? I see some of the things in Workchoices are now allowed. You can cash out you annual leave. McDonalds abolished Penalty rates for a slightly higher base pay which the Union agreed to.

    I think people hated Workchoices because lefties need something to hate

  84. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2017 11:46 am

    Has yomm hacked nils account?

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2017 11:49 am

    I’m spending a miserable day on the gold coast. What a waste of time, people should come here for a lesson in bad taste.

    5pm flight back to civilization

  86. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2017 12:13 pm

    5pm flight back to civilization

    FAARK

    Why do you have to come to Adelaide again?

  87. March 10, 2017 12:31 pm

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2017 3:49 pm

    I’m spending a miserable day on the gold coast. What a waste of time, people should come here for a lesson in bad taste.

    That’s because its full of Mexicans and bikie gangs flogging guns, drugs ‘n’ girls … and each other …

    … I wondered what that funny smell was coming from the South.

    Queenslanders don’t go to the GC … too many “visitors” … notice all the street signs are in Japanese … slowly converting to Chinese … ?

    Money, money, money …

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2017 3:52 pm

    Why are people always wonderful and caring after they curl their toes?

    Ironic if Bill Leak ended up in Dreamtime, hey?

  90. March 10, 2017 4:02 pm

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  91. March 10, 2017 5:25 pm

    tweet,,,,Union members hailed hero`s after finding Australian War criminal during Sydney rally! #auspol #realnews @TurnbullMalcolm,,,,

    # ,, fcuking brilliant tweet! (-: (-: (-: (-:

    +++++

    Govt,,,,entities take 5x longer to build things,,,,

    # ,, crap. Which `utility` did business build quicker than Govt kneel?

    +++++

    but,,,,changing the NBN from FTTP to FTTN means the NBN will,,,,

    # ,, never be `technologically` competitive with world leading fiber networks and ensures tech-businesses will continually leave Aust to be based in silicon valley or singapore, so they can `serve` their tech to the world. Wonderful legacy for ya`kids kneel, l`m sure they`ll thank you. Atlassian must be a 9-bill or 10-bill loss to the nation by now.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2017 5:35 pm

    pointless argument, tbagz … like blowing on jelly …

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2017 6:54 pm

    Here’s a challenge any “businessman” worth his salt would take up tomorrow!

    Now, will Weatherill? Or TurnAbbott?

    This will show the mettle of and commitment to the people of SA … roll it out in one state and the others will follow … after all we are a Commonwealth of States still – aren’t we?

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/10/elon-musk-i-can-fix-south-australia-power-network-in-100-days-or-its-free

  94. March 10, 2017 6:55 pm

    like,,,,blowing on jelly,,,,

    # ,, oh teebz, l don`t expect kneel (or-boo) to suddenly discover `knowledge`, or even common sense. l do however think it is a good thing to show `viewers` passing-by what a `spectacular`, anti-innovation, anti-investment, `anti-business`, teabag `own-goal` the copper-not-fiber network is, which will remain mangled with copper dead-zones well past 2100. Glad kneel reminded me. (-:

  95. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2017 6:58 pm

    he copper-not-fiber network

    There were only 100,000 FTTP connections when Labor lost govt in 2013. And there are 12 million connections to be done. FTTP would never be finished.

  96. March 10, 2017 7:06 pm

    Did you notice `crickets` from the duopoly, too busy grandstanding and name-calling like kinder-kids, real leadership,

    #yaaay.blib ,, #yaaaay.teabags

  97. March 10, 2017 7:55 pm

    part-2 like,,,,blowing on jelly,,,,

    # ,, it is always good to show viewers the next episode of `run-teabag-run` from the ipa-troll farm. As we can all see, can`t answer question at March 10, 2017 5:25 pm, but waffles shit about `connections`, (which nobody gives a flying fcuk about) and can`t even provide the `weakest` evidence to even try and prove `own` statement.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2017 7:59 pm

    By the way 1. I’ve posted my opinion on penalty rates many times. ANd even had a debate with TB, I see no reason to repost my opinion on demand.

    By the way 2. My meetings on the ugly gold coast were all with Queenslanders. They confirmed it, but I could tell because I had to speak very slowly.

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2017 8:08 pm

    I just did a google search on “all you can eat restaurants gold coast”

    There were 4,800,000 of them, that’s odd because it seemed like more.

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2017 10:29 pm

    1. I’ve posted my opinion on penalty rates many times.

    Link?

    Or you could simply tell us whether you think … at this time … it is fair to cut wages of people on the lowest end of the work system …

    And BTW … I’m right here … “ANd even had a debate with TB” … third party – not in the room with me nonsense – doesn’t make you sound superior … although you probably didn’t realise what you were doing (just to give you the benefit of the doubt – cause that’s how rich folk talk down to “poor” folk … and I’m afraid I’m far from “poor” … ) …

    You seem to have an obsession with eating out at “all you can eat restaurants” … personally I can’t stand them … “4,800,000” that’s more than the population of fkn Brisbane and the GC combined … not more BS surely?

    Unless you have a link of course …

    BTW who pays for all this travel and Friar Tucker? Taxpayers?

  101. March 10, 2017 10:56 pm

    “”There were 4,800,000 of them, that’s odd because it seemed like more.””

    I can only imagine a few of them must’ve closed down since the last time I was there then.

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2017 1:02 am

    I see the ALP is saying we should not be exporting natural gas overseas when we have shortages. But gas when burned produces CO2 which according to the ALP will kill us.

    What does the ALP believe?

  103. Gone, Walkabout permalink
    March 11, 2017 1:07 am

    (Ironic if Bill Leak ended up in Dreamtime, hey?

    Not really.)

  104. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2017 7:39 am

    I’ve posted my opinion on penalty rates many times.

    Yep, and, according to you, it is all the responsibility of the Party NOT in power, who have argued long AGAINST reducing penalty rates, and are now saying the will introduce legislation to OVERTURN the retrograde decision.

    What does the ALP believe?

    What they always have, that we live in reality, unless you believe the garbage murdor spurts out.

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2017 9:54 am

    This just gets better! A Nike moment – Just Do It!

    ONE of the world’s leading entrepreneurs has weighed into South Australia’s energy crisis, boldly claiming he can fix the problem for $33 million and in under 100 days.

    Elon Musk on Friday said his US-based company, Tesla, could build a 100MWh battery farm less than four months after a contract being signed.

    Such a system, he said, would go a long way to preventing a repeat of recent blackouts due to load-shedding. Tesla recently launched a similar, but smaller, system in California.

    According to figures quoted by Mr Musk, the SA system would cost $33.2 million. Shipping, taxes and installation costs would be extra.

    His comments, via Twitter, were prompted by a challenge from fellow tech-billionaire, Australian Mike Cannon-Brookes.

    The exchange came after Tesla’s battery division boss, Lyndon Rive, said the company was capable of installing battery storage in SA of up to 300MWh.

    Mr Cannon-Brookes, the founder of software company Atlassian and estimated to be worth $2 billion, asked Mr Musk: “If I can make the $ happen (and politics), can you guarantee the 100MW in 100 days?”

    PayPal co-founder Mr Musk, who has a fortune of $13 billion and launches advanced spacecraft via his SpaceX company, responded with: “Tesla will get the system installed and working 100 days from contract signature or it is free. That serious enough for you?”

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2017 9:57 am

    REPRISE

    Here’s a question for you, ToMMy …

    How do you feel about 200,000 lower paid workers having their pay cut when profits and GDP are soaring … politicians are breaking the rules and spending and investing like its their last Christmas?

    How do you feel about that?

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2017 1:54 pm

    I’ve said in the past that whether students work on their Wednesday off or a Sunday, it doesn’t make a huge difference to them.

    So for clarificatuon… I think bona fide full time students can work on Saturdays and Sundays with lower penalties.

    Full time workers can keep the penalties.

    I think that’s about the 5th time I’ve outlined my opinion.

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2017 3:15 pm

    Why do you select students to take the “fall” …

  109. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2017 4:05 pm

    So, you don’t support the ‘independent’ umpires decision then yomm?

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2017 4:10 pm

    Aw, TR … now we’ll go off on the silly “look over there” argument

  111. March 11, 2017 4:26 pm

    afr,,,,reduction in battery costs per unit of capacity, and the `Powerwall-2` would pack twice the capacity of its predecessor `14KWh` in a case 30 per cent smaller, for the same cost,,,,

    http://www.afr.com/news/tesla-battery-boss-we-can-solve-sas-power-woes-in-100-days-20170308-gut8xh#ixzz4atL3LYpb

    ,,,,Battery storage is in its infancy but Mr Rive said he expected `100-percent` of Australian households with rooftop solar,,,,

    ,,,,`The worst possible outcome` would be to continue investing in the grid as solar panels and storage were rolled out to millions of households, he said,,,,

    # ,, there sure is a lot of `convergance` of teabag failures about. Trickle down, privatization fever, investors rorted, stranded assets.

    ,

    ARE WE LEARNING YET

    # ,, tweet by tweet, the-ronald smashed fake-news pollsters, pundits, talking-heads and teh-usa duopoly system.

    # ,, tweet by tweet, atlassian and tesla just smashed the teabag govts and biz-buddies mangling of power grid.

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2017 6:00 pm

    FWC hasn’t yet made a decision about how the Sunday penalty rate changes will be implemented. So I’m expecting a fairly long period of phasing and a range of protections.

    But no one has to agree with the decision, it’s whether people accept the outcome of the (ALP) process.

  113. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2017 6:22 pm

    But no one has to agree with the decision, it’s whether people accept the outcome of the (ALP) process.

    Yes, but the (ALP) process. was based on a panel using evidence to base their decisions on, not ‘the vibe’

    This is a poor as the libs currently blaming Labor for the robo debt catastrophe, because Labor introduced the robo, but the libs introduced the decision to remove human oversight that rendered it catastrophic

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2017 6:38 pm

    Yep, Shorten (as IR Minister) specifically gave the FWC the power to make this decision, and then spits the dummy when they make a decision!

    But that’s quite unsurprising given Shorten’s character.

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2017 6:56 pm

    Shorten must have really screwed up the legislation if he lets a Full Bench of his own appointees make a decision based on “the vibe”

    But in any event, the decision can be appealed to the Federal Court, but naturally the ALP and unions don’t like using that process, it’s too orderly.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2017 6:58 pm

    Now I’m off for a 2008 Kay Brothers Amery Block 6 Shiraz! And some food to go with it!

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2017 7:11 pm

    `own-goal` the copper-not-fiber network is, which will remain mangled with copper dead-zones well past 2100. Glad kneel reminded me. (-:

    FTTP would never be finished and bankrupt the country. Labors NBN which we are stuck with is a socialist nightmare. Lefties always go for govt doing things but private enterprise is more efficient. I got connected. NBN people came out several times because they could not make the connection to the street. After several months i got connected. The one thing i do like about the NBN is that it is wi-fi so i do not have to stick a cable into my computer.

    But NBN people are so inefficient.

  118. March 11, 2017 7:22 pm

    armchair

    Rising,,,,temperatures of the seas due to global warming can promote the growth of some pathogenic bacteria. The bacterium Vibrio vulnificus, for example, has led to cases of disease around the Baltic sea during heatwaves. An additional problem is the growing amount of microplastic particles in the oceans. These particles can harbor bacteria-containing biofilms on their surface,,,,#and act as `little-boats` to distribute globally.

    http://www.chemistryviews.org/details/news/9627711/Pathogens_on_Microplastic_Particles.html

    ,,,,Helmholtz-Center for Polar and Marine Research, and colleagues have found potentially pathogenic Vibrio bacteria species on microplastics in the oceans for the first time. The team took water samples from 62 locations in the North and Baltic Seas and investigated the plastic microparticles found in the samples. On 19 of 135 particles(#14%), evidence of Vibrio bacteria could be found,,,,

    ,,,,the results do not mean that the number of bacteria on the particles is larger than in the surrounding water,,,,

    # ,, saw elsewhere, microplastics attract (like-magnet) various other chemicals to them, making them quite a variety of floating `bug`farms, some quite toxic, which are `enhancing` species of `superbugs` known to be deadly. #4corners?

    # ,, but l guess its all fine, with all the time clowntown squanders wrecking fiber networks and power systems, they must have the next-gen of penicillan in ample supply. (-:

  119. March 11, 2017 8:40 pm

    bananaland reef

    Mass,,,,coral bleaching is occurring on the Great Barrier Reef for the second consecutive year, Australia`s lead management agency for the Reef confirmed today,,,,

    http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/media-room/latest-news/coral-bleaching/2017/second-wave-of-mass-bleaching-unfolding-on-great-barrier-reef

    ,,,,The bleaching is part of a `global-event#` affecting the world`s coral reefs over the past two years,,,,

    # ,, they couldn`t possibly mean `global-cooling` could they. (-:

    ,,,,The aerial survey of the Reef, the first for 2017, found severe bleaching in offshore reefs from north of Ingham to the northern extent of the survey near Cairns,,,,

    ,,,,This year more bleaching is being observed in this central part of the Reef, which last year escaped widespread severe bleaching,,,,

    ,,,,Dr David Wachenfeld said the survey confirmed anecdotal reports from visitors and reef surveys of bleaching from marine park rangers and commercial operators,,,,

    ,,,,Dr Neal Cantin from the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS) said the recurrence of widespread coral bleaching in back-to-back summers indicated there was not enough time between last year`s extreme heat event for the corals to fully recover,,,,

    ,,,,`We are seeing a decrease in the stress tolerance of these corals,` Dr Cantin said. `This is the first time the Great Barrier Reef has not had a few years between bleaching events to recover`,,,,

    ,,,,`Many coral species appear to be more susceptible to bleaching after more than 12 months of sustained above-average ocean temperatures.`,,,,

    # ,, does anybody really think that the bananaland reef is `not` a dead-duck in not too distant future.

  120. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2017 9:53 pm

    Rising,,,,temperatures of the seas due to global warming can promote the growth of some pathogenic bacteria.

    OK if global warming is so bad lets ban our coal and natural gas exports which are 2 of our biggest exports. If we ban coal exports we will also have to ban our biggest export, iron ore, because you need coal to make steel. So you ALP supporters want to ban our 3 largest exports. We don’t make anything here anymore so mining is all we have left and you lefties want to destroy that as well.

    Other than destroying Australia why do ALP supporters exist?

  121. March 11, 2017 11:41 pm

    On da-west coast, team-pauline 0-seats/59, undecided-7, teabumpkins-6, teabags-10, team-blib-36, ha, ha, ha, you all cacked ya-self for nothing (-:

    At teabag-HQ the talking-head said teabags had many of their teabag-cheerers coming up to them a saying,

    `l am not voting for you because of debt and poor economy`

    How fcuking delicious, the west-coast teabags have been hoisted by their own petard, placing `over` importance in economy`n debt. #suck.it.up.teabags

    Now we get to enjoy clowntown teabags `entrenched` in their own panic and get to watch blib `strut` about pretending he has competence. (-: (-: (-: (-:

  122. West`Coast`Teabag permalink
    March 12, 2017 12:14 am

    29-seats to win, pauline-0,

    undecided-5, teabumpkins-4, teabags-13,

    holy-crap batman, the teabags are eating the teabumpkins lunch!

    team-blib-37

  123. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 12, 2017 6:36 am

    Pauline made a major mistake in referencing the Libs. Many of her protest voters were from the other side as well. She showed just how rusted to the Libs she really is and that she is no more independent than a Lib at question time.

    This has truly damaged her brand which will forever be LIB (lite or right depending on your own interpretation).

    Funny that the likes of Bernardi, Abbott and Abetz claim the right is where the votes are.

    Seems like the country’s voters have had enough of the right giving to the rich and taking from the poor and have actually swung decidedly left.

    Abetz own brother lost his seat. Eric so lucky he is a senator or he would have been out on his arse as well.

    WA voters have given me hope that there actually is humanity underneath the hysteria of greed and self serving interests.

    Now it is up to the ALP in WA to be honest, hard working, fair and humble.

    No claiming allowances just because you can or rorting or pay rises for yourselves. If they already exist stop them. if the rules are grey make them black and white. Clean up the stench of politics with your majority. You will gain far more respect in doing so.

  124. shaneinqld permalink
    March 12, 2017 6:38 am

    **preferencing** bloody auto correct 🙂

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2017 9:10 am

    Labor splurged $60,000 on a stylist and new wardrobe for Chloe and Bill Shorten during last year’s marathon federal election campaign.

    Well, I’d only say that the people that kicked in a few bucks must be delighted that the money went to more ill fittings suits for Bill and some nice dresses for Chloe!

    1. Chloe doesn’t need much help with styling – she seems to carry off the style well
    2. No amount of money will make Bill’s suits fit. Are his arms unusually short? Because the cuffs of every suit reach his knuckles.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-party-spends-60000-on-election-image-makeover-for-bill-and-chloe-shorten-20170310-guv6bn.html

  126. shaneinqld permalink
    March 12, 2017 9:22 am

    Turnbull is in a quandary. If he had stuck to his own beliefs this result would have strengthened him immensely. Instead he swung to the extreme right which is now obviously being soundly rejected.

    If this swing happens at the next federal election the LNP would be all but wiped out.

    What I am amazed about is that usually only 10% of voters actually elect a government unlike the rusted on partisans, however now that number seems to be on the increase.

  127. shaneinqld permalink
    March 12, 2017 9:30 am

    ToM

    $60,000 to come within a whisker of winning government after being totally written off is money very well spent in my opinion.

    My arms are unusually short as well.

    I presume after your comments you are the world best model and being the perfect ultimate specimen of humanity of which improvement is impossible.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 9:52 am

    http://www.news.com.au/

    LOL! Find the story on the WA election …

    … the location is hilarious … if you wanted any evidence of Murdoch political leanings … and attempts at playing down Liberal disasters … this is it!

    Like ToM a very bipartisan approach …

    And the number of soft “human interest” stories in all our news outlets is really starting to grate …

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 10:02 am

    Now I’m off for a 2008 Kay Brothers Amery Block 6 Shiraz! And some food to go with it!

    Says the bipartisan who wants kids, uni students and struggling families to take a pay cut …

    What hypocrisy …

    BTW, TR, did I say we’d get more look over there shyte?

    And I see the panic is starting to set in …

    No argumentative substance – “we’ve lost the ball” just “play the player”

    Well, I’d only say that the people that kicked in a few bucks must be delighted that the money went to more ill fittings suits for Bill and some nice dresses for Chloe!

    You can just ne a ten year old in the playground …

  130. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2017 11:29 am

    Instead he swung to the extreme right which is now obviously being soundly rejected

    What do you mean by extreme right? Tax cuts for small business?

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2017 11:31 am

    Many of her protest voters were from the other side as well. She showed just how rusted to the Libs she really is and that she is no more independent than a Lib at question time.

    Exactly shane, she started out as a lib many years ago, before getting kicked out of the party. The loony tunes anti-vax stuff was for the nutters who back her and she needed to be condemned for campaigning against decades of good public health policy. And, surely no-one can vote for someone who has allowed the disgraced James Ashby to get back into federal politics in any capacity..

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2017 11:43 am

    What do you mean by extreme right? Tax cuts for small business?

    If he gives any cuts to business while squeezing the pensioners and the poor he’s gone.

    The two things that are hurting him are climate change denialism and do nothingness which has ruined business planning and a refusal to act on negative gearing and CGT.

    Then there’s the debt and economy.

  133. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2017 12:07 pm

    and a refusal to act on negative gearing

    Rising house prices is an unsolvable problem but good to use for propaganda purposes for the rusted on left.

  134. shaneinqld permalink
    March 12, 2017 12:13 pm

    Neil

    Turnbull

    NBN
    Climate Change
    ETS
    18C
    RC into Banks
    RC into Business
    ABCC
    Tax Cuts for Business
    Screw the Poor and Pensioners
    Screw the ABC

    Just a few things he has changed his mind on over the last few years.

    WA election shows that it is not the right the people are supporting but the left with a fairer go for all being the desire and the rich to pay their fair share of tax to keep the country going. No doubt Abetz, Bernardi and Abbott will pull their heads in for a while for fear of having them chopped off.

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2017 12:28 pm

    NBN

    It is still Labors NBN. Turnbull changed it from FTTP to FTTN so it gets finished before we all die. Looks like Labor will win the next election so you can do whats remaining back to FTTP

    Screw the ABC

    Really? Do you think you may be exaggerating?

    and the rich to pay their fair share of tax to keep the country going

    And what is their fair share and what did Swan do about this problem when he could get any legislation through Parliament?

  136. shaneinqld permalink
    March 12, 2017 1:16 pm

    NBN.

    It is not Labours NBN it is Turnbulls rejigged, bastardised NBN.

    Yes Screw the ABC remember NO cuts Tony and then that being supported by Malcolm and now we have a former News Corp employee as the ABC boss selected by the LNP and really do you think she can keep herself unbiased ?. So yes they are screwing the ABC to all of us who are bipartisan that is.

    Why are you harping on about Swan. The LNP are in power, you have this totally blind and deaf attitude that I somehow love the ALP. For FUCKS sake Neil I hate them both.

    I have told you before and shown you figures that the rich have had massive tax cuts for the last 30 years, so their share of tax has been dramatically reduced while their share of income has dramatically increased. Your memory seems to be failing you at exactly the same time and the same place and for the same reasons over and over again.

    How about we all go back to paying the same rate of tax as we did in 1980 when I first started work. That would be fair. There would be no deficit either !!!

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2017 1:23 pm

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 1:32 pm

    THE POWER OF THE VATICAN

    A Leopard Can’t Change Its Spots

    The Pope may be retreating from his crackdown on pedophile priests as Vatican bureaucrats do all they can to undermine reform efforts, a senior Australian Catholic official has warned.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/vatican-undermines-abuse-reform-aust-body/news-story/47fdf0d95eea60dfaa2b55cccdb19323

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 1:37 pm

    ScoMo for months said mum & dad investors ” nurses, police, teachers “

    The same people the Liberal/National hypocrites will target to to reduce their penalty rates?

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2017 1:40 pm

    It is not Labours NBN it is Turnbulls rejigged, bastardised NBN.

    Turnbull changed it to FTTN because it is cheaper and was faster to build. FTTP would have bankrupted the country. You might like to read this

    https://www.techworld.com.au/article/395910/opel_would_serving_bush_broadband_today_turnbull/

    Federal opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has used his National Press Club address to argue the decision to scrap the Howard government’s OPEL network for an NBN has denied the bush broadband services over the past three years…….“It is no accident the technologies to be deployed by the NBN are the same as those which would have been used by OPEL. And, had that scheme not been cancelled by Labor in 2008 would today be providing fast broadband to Australians in those areas.”

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 12, 2017 1:48 pm

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 1:51 pm

    Six of the eight State/Territory government are now Labor led … just NSW and Taswegia Liberal … Turnbull has just been sent a massive message by WA!

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2017 2:05 pm

    I see Kate Ellis has announced her retirement from Parliament. Apparently since she entered Parliament before 2004 she will be on a Superannuation payout of $200K/year indexed for life.

    She also had a go at John Howard. Howard said women would never be 50% in Parliament because they look after kids. Ellis said that was rubbish then announced that was the reason she was leaving Parliament.

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 3:07 pm

    Shane, I empathise I thought you lasted quite a long time, actually …

    For FUCKS sake Neil I hate them both.

    Just move the computer screen a bit further away … 😉

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2017 4:01 pm

    http://theconversation.com/factcheck-is-50-of-all-income-tax-in-australia-paid-by-10-of-the-working-population-45229

    The top 10% of income earners pay 52% of the tax. How much more should they pay?

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 5:15 pm

    Since high income earners usually have greater scope for minimising tax through deductions, such as negative gearing,

    The Treasurer’s statement that the top 10% of incomes from working age persons pay 50% of personal income tax is correct. This reflects the progressive nature of Australia’s personal income tax system, which is applied to a society that features significant income inequality.

    The progressive nature of income taxation in Australia plays a very significant role in altering the distribution of disposable income (after-tax) and provides Australia with a more equal distribution of disposable income.

    The Elites and the Peasants … a significant income inequality is significant …

    How much more should they pay?

    Depends on how many bombers (and bombs), tanks (and shells) and submarines (and torpedoes) the government wants to buy … the Peasants end up at the sharp end … and the Elites enjoy the rear …

    How much blood and treasure should the Peasants lose compared to the Elites?

    All things in life are relative … not just money … and power …

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2017 5:58 pm

    I think 10% paying more than half the total seems about right. Having 10% pay (say) 2/3 of the tax take seems a little excessive.

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2017 6:01 pm

    …and I pay about 40% of my income in tax, and I’d prefer not to may more to help keep bureaucrats and their mates employed.

  149. shaneinqld permalink
    March 12, 2017 6:34 pm

    ToM

    They paid a significant percentage more in 1980 when I first started work and we were not in the mess we are in now. I also did not hear the bitching, whinging, class warfare hysteria from the wealthy in those days. They actually understood that society needed support to keep it functioning properly. A healthy, stable, evenly wealth distributed society is a much better society to live in.

    If you pay 40% then you are most certainly in the top percentile and earning a hell of a lot more than the average mean wage. In 1980 would be paying over 60% so you have already enjoyed over 30% tax cut over the years. How much more do you think the country can cope with in tax cuts, rorts and deception and tax avoidance, while providing services to more and more Australians.

  150. March 12, 2017 7:34 pm

    Pauline,,,,made a major mistake,,,,

    # ,, l agree shane. She made two actually.

    # ,, First was her `deal` with the teabags, l haven`t seen the west-coast `senate` outcome/s, but l suspect it will follow their `house` outcome and go team-blib.

    # ,, Second, she got bogged-down in vax-denier rubbish.

    # ,, FYI. l did watch some of the seat-by seat results on my abc24, and noticed; greenz were often double percentage 3rd-place when NO teabumpkins and NO pauline was running for the seat. Where `pauline` was running, she was often the strong 3rd place, tho not always.

    +++++

    Did everybody notice? Tweet by tweet, Atlassian has dragged the zombie prime meddler to a tesla meeting! (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: #solar.me.up.teabag

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 7:38 pm

    I think 10% paying more than half the total seems about right. Having 10% pay (say) 2/3 of the tax take seems a little excessive.

    I don’t and I did … and I paid tax from 14yo did you? The latter half of my career as a small business consultancy The Minister and I paid way over 40% …

    I pay about 40% of my income in tax You need to employ a better accountant/tax consultant … or your fibbing nah, lying …

    Well diddly do … emigrate to the Cayman’s or the Bahamas, or live here and reap the benefits of the best society in the world (still- almost!) … me, me, me, me …

    If we 90% all fucked off (to the Caymans – “say”) and left the 10% that you love so much you’d: drown in your own shit … get stuck in the desert … your car would blow up or just stop … you’d starve to death … die of an injury or disease … your kids would be illiterate and numerically devoid … drown in the ocean … kill each other off …

    In your world ToM, (to quote Lee Childs) “if it doesn’t happen to you … it doesn’t happen!”

    People are STRUGGLING!

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2017 8:55 pm

    … me, me, me, me …

    And that is why people vote Labor. People want stuff for free from the govt. It is called greed.

    For FUCKS sake Neil I hate them both.

    I don’t. I find the ALP and its supporters deceitful. Also their policies do not work. After dropping our borders the ALP let in 50,000 boat people. I estimate we have spent $20B on a problem Howard had solved.

    Has anybody from the ALP apologised for one of the worst policy failures out our history? No and the ALP never will.They will remain unrepentant to the bitter end.

  153. March 12, 2017 9:12 pm

    Josh Park-Fing, 18, died when he fell from a flatbed tractor trailer and struck his head while engaged in a Work for the Dole program at the Toowoomba Showgrounds on April 19 last year.(#2016)

    http://the-pen.co/work-for-the-dole-leads-to-dangerour-work/

    # ,, more of the same really, to `placate` arse-holes and `justify` a lousy $250-or-less per week, the teabags are resorting to killing kids via (mostly-pointless) dole-work program.

    +++++

    l see the in-house ipa-troll is blathering on tax, while ignoring many of the top-taxed are the same critters paid at boardroom-like levels, and engage in the zero-tax options of caymaning and other off-shoring. Well dummy, who did ya`think was going to `pay`, the `bottom-30%` or so CAN`T (pension,underemployed), they don`t `have` it. Seems ya`been sold a pup! #yaaaaay.boardrooms #yaaaay.teabags

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2017 9:40 pm

    … or your fibbing nah, lying …

    To be a high income earner, you require some basic grammar.

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2017 10:14 pm

    l see the in-house ipa-troll is blathering on tax, while ignoring many of the top-taxed are the same critters paid at boardroom-like levels, and engage in the zero-tax options of caymaning and other off-shoring.

    That comment makes no sense. Apparently the top 10% of earners pay 50% of the tax the govt collects. If they were avoiding tax the govt would not get half the money it gets.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 11:06 pm

    To be a high income earner, you require some basic grammar.

    Yeah? I’ve seen some of yours too!

    Your attention to other people’s detail demonstrates a very insecure individual …

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 11:09 pm

    Western Australia preference deal a mistake, say Barnaby Joyce and Pauline Hanson, but Turnbull sees no evidence of federal concerns in rout of Liberals

    LOL! What a Fuckwit … stupid is … this bloke could couldn’t hit a fly with a shotgun!

    Go MAL! Please!

  158. March 12, 2017 11:09 pm

    Talkbull-Corp using loopholes, paper-entities and off-shoring; banks $9-bill profit at zero-ish-tax at da-caymans. A lousy $10k or $15k per week is just not enough for a harbourside prime meddler to keep-up `appearences`. So talkbull brings-in from the islands $20-mill per year so he can live da-lifestyle and donate to a zombie-team.

    Tax in Aust is paid on the $20-mill `crumbs` and, not on the $9-bill `bakery`. Ditto for gina, packers, murdochs, boardrooms and the rest of the elite. The elite also `cultivate` a merry troup of useful idiots, that like rats, follow their ipa-pied-piper, to cover the tax breaks the elite enjoy.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 11:11 pm

    To be a high income earner, you require some basic grammar.

    And an understanding of the difference between spelling and grammar … you must befluking it … or fudging it …

    I know two illiterate millionaires … so that fucks you theory … well, one is dyslexic …

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2017 11:11 pm

    your

  161. Verticals'n'Horizontals permalink
    March 13, 2017 1:54 am

    (Did everybody notice? Tweet by tweet, Atlassian has dragged the zombie prime meddler to a tesla meeting!

    No?

    If you have a large amount of variable renewable energy, wind and solar, isn’t it obvious that you need storage? Isn’t it blindingly obvious that you do?”)

  162. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 13, 2017 5:39 am

    Neil

    You have once again resorted to the childish rant over immigration. The ALP have stated on numerous occasions that the decision was wrong and they agree with the governments current immigration policies other than the nazi type secrecy of operations. But this is oblivious to you.

    As you have once again resorted to the immigration comment, no matter what we discuss, consider our debates closed. I am truly over it and will simply skip past the comments of someone who cannot open his eyes or ears beyond what he chooses to see and hear.

    All the best Neil.

  163. shaneinqld permalink
    March 13, 2017 5:51 am

    According to Colin Barnett and Malcolm Turnbull the Liberals were booted because
    “It was time” Honestly if they believe that then they are in La La Land.

    Funny the Nationals look to have retained their total number of seats despite being betrayed by the Liberals and dumped like dogs, what wonderful loyal partners the Liberals turned out to be.

    On the other hand the Liberals jumped in to bed with ON which resulted in a massive loss of seats, with voters telling them they will vote against them because of the preference with ON and the betrayal of the NP.

    ON jumps in to bed with the Liberals on preference and totally stuffs its reputation as the party of protest. For some blind ignorant reason PH thought all of her voters were racist, conservative and hate dole bludgers and single mothers who cannot work. Turned out they were not and when she simply wanted to grab seats in a power play she showed her true colours. IN addition the banning of the ABC is something the NAZI party did to control the media. It proved to me that the only media that is truly independent and she cannot control is the ABC, otherwise why ban it.

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2017 10:21 am

    ToM keeps on telling us what a wonderful place Mexico City is (Melbourne for the uninitiated)

    No wonder he can’t wait to get back … people in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks at real ones …

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/music-festivals/moomba-2017-thousands-flock-to-festival-amid-heavy-police-presence/news-story/1bf5263c36858ef7b985e443c48bfe8e

  165. March 13, 2017 10:33 am

    she,,,,cannot control is the ABC, otherwise why ban it,,,,

    # ,, Nah shane, l reckon she got that bit correct. Unfortunately my abc is too often doing the teabags job for them, particularly when it comes to indi`s and minors, all while being too soft`n fluffy with the teabags, you know, the cnuts with `actual` power.

    # ,, l`m guessing you haven`t lived on the west-coast before/ for very long, but l think you`re pretty correct on the `too-much` pauline aspect, the dole/ single mother bashing would not have gone down well either, particularly from an east-coast loud-mouth that is benefitting from the unfair gst carve-up. Pauline would have done a lot more for her candidates by saying less, as the east-coast `arrogance` would have irked many too.

  166. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2017 11:40 am

    You have once again resorted to the childish rant over immigration. The ALP have stated on numerous occasions that the decision was wrong

    Really? I have not seen that. perhaps you could provide me with a link.

    Shane you said both sides of politics are as bad as each other. I gave you an example to show they were not. There is no way a Coalition govt would have locked up 50,000 people. Only socialists would do that.

    Same goes for the budget. Swan turned a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months. There is no way Costello would have done that stimulus rubbish and we have been in deficit ever since.

  167. March 13, 2017 11:59 am

    They`re having a lot of fun over at coffee-2 (-:

    https://theaimn.com/wa-liberal-landslide-buries-turnbull-hanson/

    ,,,,The Drum is an exclusive club where success talks to itself in public,,,,

    ,,,,Of course there are local factors. Barnett`s switched-on plan to privatise state electricity in WA seems a turn off for voters. It`s worked so well in other states. In Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania, prices soar as systems become less reliable,,,,

    ,,,,Like their federal counterpart, the WA Liberals are lean on policy,,,,

    ,,,,Barnett is blown away by the Tsunami of unpopularity that is the Turnbull government,,,,

    # ,, feel better boo-melb, da-lefty`s fell for the fake-news too!

    ,,,,28 Australians were among the 298 passengers killed when MH17 a Boeing 777 flying civilians was blasted out of the sky over Ukraine by a Russian missile, an act for which Hanson`s beloved strong leader, Vladimir Putin, refuses to take responsibility,,,,

  168. Ohmage To Catatonya permalink
    March 13, 2017 12:29 pm

    (“Malcolm Turnbull’s government stands ready to fund and support serious proposals for new energy storage projects which have been “long neglected” in Australia’s electricity system, after an hour-long phone call yesterday to US clean energy multi-billionaire Elon Musk.”

    Meh, the ultimate environmentalists’ ultimate environmentalist is still lightyears ahead in the radical experimentation stakes: “[Dams] can be a potential source of zero-emissions power as well as water storages.)

  169. shaneinqld permalink
    March 13, 2017 12:45 pm

    Drain

    The ABC might be running a bit scared after Abbott and Turnbull but it is still not beholden to advertising revenue or an owner the likes of Rupert Murdoch. This however could change under the current slash, burn and privatise at all costs LNP.

  170. shaneinqld permalink
    March 13, 2017 12:48 pm

    Never been to Melbourne yet. Will give an opinion when I eventually visit. Naturally I will be unable to afford the luxurious accommodation the likes of Reb and ToM would utilise. My reporting would cover park benches and under bridges 🙂

  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2017 1:08 pm

    It`s worked so well in other states. In Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania, prices soar as systems become less reliable,,,,

    I think you will find most price rises in NSW have been due to renewable energy. The solar rebate scheme to encourage people to switch to solar is expensive and the cost is passed on to electricity uses

  172. March 13, 2017 6:03 pm

    Shane,,,,The ABC might be running a bit scared after Abbott,,,,

    # ,, it goes back well before mr-rabbits (no)cuts to my abc. lt started well back in the john-w era with more and more teabag stooges being loaded into my abc boardroom and upper management; to hollow-out and white-ant the nations `most-trusted` institution.

    # ,, unfortunately the over-paid and spine-free critters, (previously known as journalists) have been more interested in saving their over-paid skins and remaining political `players` have aided and abeted the teabags destruction. They have largely abdicated properly informing `viewers`, holding to account and challenging `power`, and thrown both my abc `and` so-called journalism (as a `profession`) under the bus.

    # ,, limited-news, rupert and my abc do share the same delusion of just how big and just how important limited-news is in Aust, and an easy trap for those that don`t dig into topics and actually research things. The largest media org (based on number of viewers) is not my abc, and definitely not limited-news either. lt is facebook, with at least half the population on it, and checking facebook 3-plus times daily.

    # ,, but then when we look at `influence`, then this week shows Twitter and Atlassian are `king`, and probably will be for at least 6-months. Limited-news has probably `never` wrangled a premier `and` prime meddler so strongly and so rapidly, even tho it seems to be their sole reason for existing.

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2017 6:23 pm

    ,, it goes back well before mr-rabbits (no)cuts to my abc. lt started well back in the john-w era with more and more teabag stooges being loaded into my abc

    Really? I thought hawke/Keating stacked the board with lefties stooges and Howard was trying to bring in some balance by having one or two conservatives on the board rather than wall to wall lefties

  174. March 13, 2017 7:59 pm

    BALI cop killing, british dude got 6-years and NOT appealing, connor got 4-years and `undecided` on appeal status #my.bet she won`t #reportland

  175. shaneinqld permalink
    March 13, 2017 8:56 pm

    Drain

    I tend to agree with you, however I think the PM that caused the most hate of the ABC would be Abbott. I never used to hear rural people claiming the ABC was bias until Abbotts accusations, when the ultra right of the liberal party took the reigns.

  176. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2017 9:15 pm

    ,, it goes back well before mr-rabbits (no)cuts to my abc. lt started well back in the john-w era with more and more teabag stooges being loaded into my abc boardroom and upper management

    I would doubt there were any Conservatives left after Hawke/Keating stacked the board. Just tell me the name of one ABC presenter who you think would vote for the Coalition? I doubt any of the major presenters on the ABC vote for the Coalition.

    Name me a Hadley , Bolt, Price etc who front a ABC program? They place is a taxpayer funded branch of the ALP.

  177. March 13, 2017 10:15 pm

    Shane, l agree that mr-rabbit has tried to blacken and damage my abc, in the `loudest` and most public way possible, while trying to emulate his idol john-w, who tried to `covertly` damage my abc as quietly as possible.

    When it comes to ,,,,the most hate of the ABC,,,, you really need to distinguish between `reality`, perception, and the `attempting-to` manufacture perception.

    Untold effort in the `attempting-to` manufacture perception around my abc, has been vigorously pursued by the teabags, teabumpkins, limited-news and ruperts trolls like blot, and assorted ipa-trolls and similar outfits.

    The `reality` is public survey after public survey has rated my abc in the top-5 `most-trusted` organizations and institutions for `at-least` the last two decades; AND my abc and the supreme court have held the top-2 spots for at least the last 5-years. (tho they may have swapped 1st and 2nd spots during)

    FYI. The ,,,,the ABC was bias,,,, and its variations come out of the blot-ipa and limited-news echo chamber which is mostly delusional, and is mainly preaching to the already converted wing-nut. The main problem of my abc is its `fake-balance`, not bias.

    Remember, you can dress the turkey in a fine suit. You can give the turkey plenty of money. You can give the turkey a fancy job title. But when you observe it closely, its still a fcuking turkey.

  178. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 5:02 am

    Drain

    Agree, however reality can always be manipulated by hysteria and so can surveys. While it still might be a fcuking turkey, people can see something totally different through rose coloured glasses. Also repeat a lie enough and it slowly becomes a truth.

    Abbott and Co have claimed Bias so many times that many people believe it, yet I like and dislike the ABC a times and that to me means it is providing balanced reporting.

  179. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 6:17 am

    Who would have thought.
    Electricity Privatisation has been a disaster for consumer and a profit boom for private companies.
    When are people going to realise it simply once again moves the wealth form all of us to a few rich arseholes determined to screw the citizens of every dollar they possibly can.
    We no longer own the asset, we no longer control the price, we no longer receive the income, we no longer receive the tax, we have to subsidise loss making areas with even more taxpayers money.

  180. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2017 9:15 am

    Glad to see the voters give the racists a kick up the backside finally (both parties)

    How low is this. Gestapo tactics? Big Brother IS watching

    The Tax Office has been forced to admit it secretly handed sensitive employment details on its own workforce to a private firm in an attempt to voter-profile an all-staff industrial ballot.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/busted-public-services-voter-profiling-exposed-20170310-guv8uy.html

  181. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 9:21 am

    Tom R

    The ATO is being disgraceful and I have no doubt this is at the insistence of the LNP, who else would want to victimise staff in relation to industrial action. Really shows how despicable they have become to implement their ideology. Hopefully the WA election will stop the dictatorship unfolding underneath the façade of Federal Government. I suggest the employees take the ATO to court for privacy violation and sue them for as much as they can get, maybe the employees will get more than the miserly amount this thieving government is offering all public servants except for themselves of course.

  182. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2017 9:41 am

    I have no doubt this is at the insistence of the LNP

    They have corrupted everything they touch.

    @The abc (see Nick Ross, ulman, guthrie)
    @The office of the Solicitor general
    @The Human rights commission
    @The Department of Immigration (or whatever they label it now)
    @The Federal police
    @The ABS
    @The ATO

    and of course, let’s not forget,
    @The FWC

    And they can only get away with it because or gormless media actively enable it

    I did note some idiot mentioned earlier about manufacturing.
    And this is all they have been able to achieve

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 10:14 am

    @Centrelink

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 10:15 am

    @VET (just saw the photo above)
    @Education

  185. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2017 10:21 am

    This could be a long list 😦

  186. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 14, 2017 10:59 am

    Too funny. Natural totalitarians talking about totalitarian behaviour.

    You lefties will never be happy unless every govt dept is stacked with lefties. I remember the outcry when 2 conservatives were appointed to the ABC board.That is 2 out of 5

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 11:16 am

    @Economy
    @Energy

  188. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 11:28 am

    @TAFE.

  189. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 11:57 am

    Watching the announcement live at the moment Tom R.

    The media are asking some truly ridiculous questions. If I was Weatherill, I would be giving back as good as they ask. He is however being very diplomatic. They are doing this because the privatisation of the market has failed and simply screwed it of profit and assets. Now the government is stepping back in and journalists are asking why the government will own the plant. Because private arseholes did not switch on a generator and let SA have blackouts that’s why. We can no longer trust thieving private companies because they screw the citizens all the time.

    Nationalise all power like it used to be as far as I am concerned. It is a necessity not a luxury.

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 12:06 pm

    Massive storm about to hit us …

    @Weather

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 12:08 pm

    Nationalise all power like it used to be as far as I am concerned. It is a necessity not a luxury.

    It was always state owned … however, I agree it should be nationalised and state or regionally managed …

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 12:10 pm

    And water

    And roads

    And bridges

    And ports

    And railways

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 12:11 pm

    And airports

    And shipping ports

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2017 12:11 pm

    I don’t mind having an activist in the HRC, but (arguably) Triggs was political rather than just active.

    I think ABC fails in it’s charter, and tends to give the Greens (or green oriented academics) as much air time on current affairs shows as the ALP or Libs.

    I think Guthrie might be just what the ABC needs with a focus on getting programs to air as the priority rather than staff engagement as a priority.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 12:11 pm

    And car parks

    See where all the revenue has gone?

  196. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 12:16 pm

    Hope you ride out the storm ok TB, watching it on the radar for a while now. Give us an update after it passes.

    Nationalise State or Federal doesn’t worry me, it simply removes greed and poor maintenance

  197. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 12:21 pm

    ToM

    Your thinking of the ABC failing its charter is just not correct. Thinking or Having an opinion does not make it fact. The ABC has been investigated so many times now over bias it is truly revealing how we come to believe an opinion even if the facts prove otherwise.

    Regarding Guthrie getting programmes to air as the priority, do you know how many programmes she has totally axed, never mind getting them to air, she is axing them as fast as her signature on documents will let her.

  198. March 14, 2017 12:51 pm

    I was just lamenting this morning how I used to enjoy the Sunday Arts show on ABC followed by The Movie Show with Margaret and David. Both axed.

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2017 2:51 pm

    I thought Margaret and David retired. Or maybe just passed away from a combination of old age and boredom

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 4:37 pm

    You miserable pair of old farts! You must bothy live in Melbourne …

    Although the ABC’s SAS was full of old farts and weirdos … mostly from Melbourne or MONA (how well named) …

    Lateline has certainly been crippled … I’m surprised Charlie Pickering is still there – he must a have ducked really low and often!

    Hope you ride out the storm ok TB

    Thanks, Shane …

    As for the storm … fair bit of heavy rain – (not enough here – both tanks were just below half and are now just a little over three quarters full) … very loud thunder … then a bit of wind … and then its just faded away … I believe from local news some parts of Brisbane were hit pretty hard … lost roofs …

  201. March 14, 2017 4:40 pm

    Margaret and David packed it in when they were told the show wasn’t going to be continued due to the the cuts.

    “”You miserable pair of old farts! You must bothy live in Melbourne …””

    Yes, it’s the city of culture you see.

    A concept that Queenslanders would be unfamiliar with. 😉

  202. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 5:10 pm

    I remember someone who originally moved from Tassie to Melbourne and now he has the audacity to call himself cultured. Cultured yoghurt maybe 🙂

  203. March 14, 2017 5:25 pm

    LULZ…. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  204. shaneinqld permalink
    March 14, 2017 5:30 pm

    Maybe the ALP idiots should have never sold of the Commonwealth Bank in the first place. One of the worst decisions ever made and destroyed the CDB which was the only bank that helped struggling farmers and small businesses and those with great ideas. Allowed the big four to close branches everywhere and turn to corporate greed over and above customer service.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/could-labor-break-up-the-big-four-banks-alp-frontbencher-says-it-could-happen-20170314-guxk2v.html

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 14, 2017 6:51 pm

    I see South Australia is spending $500M building anew gas powered power station. This is after doing this. This power station could have been upgraded at a fraction of the price if not for the stupidity of Labor?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-09/explosives-demolish-playford-power-station-chimney-stack/7828528

    A controlled explosion has brought down a huge chimney stack at the decommissioned Port Augusta power station in South Australia.

  206. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2017 6:53 pm

    Maybe the ALP idiots should have never sold of the Commonwealth Bank

    I AGREE!

    I was always kind of ambivalent about the bank sell off, it is essential services like electricity and communication that I feel very strongly about, but, well, banking IS an essential service, isn’t it really.

    Although, I don’t think they will go as far as to it. They have an uphill battle getting the infrastructure services back from the shonks, but Wetherill(?) has taken the first step, and left the Feds in his dust. He played it beautifully.

    I look forward to the full barrage of ‘communist takeover’ in the ltdnews stables tomorrow 😉

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 7:03 pm

    A concept that Queenslanders would be unfamiliar with.

    You haven’t made me laugh so much for quite a while, sreb! LOL!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I look forward to the full barrage of ‘communist takeover’ in the ltdnews stables tomorrow

    TARP …

    THE AUSTRALIAN Revolution RECOVERY PARTY! It Re – Covers Everything!

  208. Play`it`Again`Teabag permalink
    March 14, 2017 7:08 pm

    and,,,,of course, let’s not forget, @The FWC,,,,

    Keep going team-cheerer,

    @casa

    @atsb

    @asis

    @asio

    @copper-network-telco-dept

    @electric-dept

    @military-dept

    also currupted, `starved` or loaded with imbeciles.

    @courts now all loaded with `bin-laden` laws that stripped `our` rights

  209. March 14, 2017 7:27 pm

    Have to laugh. First story l saw on the news was,

    The `private-biz-does-better-than-govt` teabags are now being solidly arse-fcuked by their rampaging `energy-market-white-elephant`.

    1.canoeland-govt buying (and-owning) lot`sa batteries.

    2.canoeland-govt buying (and-owning) new `gas`generator/s.

  210. Play`it`Again`Teabag permalink
    March 14, 2017 7:37 pm

    I,,,,think Guthrie might be just what,,,,

    # ,, guthrie is the gift that just keeps giving, just not in the way `you` and you`re ilk think

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 8:56 pm

    The South Australian government’s plan to direct energy market operators on gas supply and intervene with the national regulator during periods of high demand could be in contravention of the national electricity market.

    FFS! Frydenburg … get some knowledge and information … and get some BALLS at the same time …

    This Federal Government is hell bent on destroying Australia at the expense of ideological profiteering …

    it reeks of ROBBER BARON mentality … it is so fkn sickeningly obvious it hurts!

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2017 8:58 pm

    …guthrie is the gift that just keeps giving…

    What cock! That arrogant, ignorant **** wouldn’t “give” you the time of day … if you didn’t wear a “I love Turnbull” tie …

  213. March 14, 2017 9:32 pm

    What,,,,cock! That arrogant, ignorant (cnut?),,,,

    # ,, guthrie `is` already doing much to scatter the teabumpkins to the wind, possibly more than team-blib could ever dream of, don`t underestimate my abc `wreckage` to rural service/s such as shortwave and the `dud`, expensive, failure/s coming to replace.

    +++++

    @insurance ,, since 9-11, if a plane plows into ya`home and kills everybody, if ruled `act-of-tewwa` all insurance is void, unless `extra` tewwa clause has been specifically requested and paid for. Ditto for `other` tewwa, eg `auto-tewwa`, `truck-tewwa`

  214. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 14, 2017 9:47 pm

    This Federal Government is hell bent on destroying Australia at the expense of ideological profiteering …

    What should the Feds do? SA wants to shoot itself in the foot. They blow up coal fired power stations and then when they get into energy trouble the build a new gas fired power station.

    Sounds like madness to me.

  215. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 15, 2017 6:46 am

    Once again the outstanding results and benefits of Privatisation are revealed. The word now stinks so bad that any government proposing to sell off anything will face the wrath of voters. Irrespective of utter bullshit and crap spun by those who have an ideology of privatisation the voters are waking up. When your health is screwed while you are in hospital it wakes up even the most die hard voters of either side of politics.

    LNP and ALP stop selling our assets you mob of thieving useless stinking rorting arseholes.

    http://www.watoday.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/medibank-prepared-for-challenging-calls-from-its-members-after-secret-policy-changes-20170314-guxznd.html

  216. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 7:43 am

    The LNP in WA lost 15.6% of their vote. Of this over 60% went to the ALP. Only 30% went to ON. So those of the extreme right hysterically claiming that we need to lurch further and further to the right and the public are demanding this, have been proven totally incorrect.

    Wake up Malcolm and move back to the centre. Stand on your previous good morals and beliefs and stare down the few extremists who are making your life and ours a misery.

  217. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 8:38 am

    Knew this ages ago, yet we still want to give business $50,000,000,000 in tax cuts as well. The thieves and leaners in this country are not the unemployed and the pensioners, however it seems only the voters can see this and not the politicians.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/japanese-government-taps-more-benefit-from-australian-gas-than-us-20170314-guxy4n.html

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 8:57 am

    Knew this ages ago, yet we still want to give business $50,000,000,000 in tax cuts as well

    The initial tax cuts are to small business eg pubs, clubs, cleaning companies. If some pub has a little extra cash because tax on his previous years profit is lower it may encourage him to put on extra staff on Friday night, Saturday, Sunday and see how it goes. Companies will spend money more efficiently than giving the govt the money.

    And it should be repeated, unemployment in 2007 was at 4.3% and falling. We had no problems until people voted for Rudd

  219. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 9:20 am

    What should the Feds do?

    Fix the national market they stuffed up, for their mates?

    Re-introduce the Carbon Price/RET (or EIS, or anything that will give certainty to a market THEY made uncertain)

  220. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 9:33 am

    The initial tax cuts are to small business eg pubs, clubs, cleaning companies.

    Do you have a link for that? You keep rabbitting on about that, but how much of OUR $50 Billion are these small businesses going to get?

    And no, a pub isn’t going to put extra staff on, they will put what staff is required to run. Even if it’s cheaper, they aren’t going to put someone on just ‘cos’

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 10:04 am

    Fix the national market they stuffed up, for their mates?

    The uncertainty has been caused by SA doing things like this

    https://climatism.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/playford-coal-station-blowup-jobs1.jpeg?w=575&h=324

  222. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 10:21 am

    ToM R

    We are soon to be the biggest exporter of gas yet we earn less than a 10th of what the second largest exporter earns in royalties and now Japan earns more for our gas than we do.

    Politicians selling us out for nothing to keep their big business mates happy. Just disgraceful negotiations and terms for our gas. Sack anyone who was involved in any negotiations if they are still in parliament from any party. They have destroyed our income potential for the whole community.

  223. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 10:26 am

    fer nil

    “The reality is, the technology we are using here is old, the cost structures are high and there’s no longer a place for us in the market,” Mr Dimery said.

    “It was inevitable. It is inevitable that more coal-fired power stations will close into the future.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-09/port-augustas-coal-fired-power-station-closes/7394854

    I await your link for the tax cuts expectantly 😉

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 10:46 am

    “It was inevitable. It is inevitable that more coal-fired power stations will close into the future.”

    Because the taxpayers are subsiding renewable energy. They could have upgraded the coal fired power station that the ALP blew up for a tenth of the cost of building that new gas fired power station they are going to build. And from your link

    The mine had employed more than 250 people.

    250 people at the coal mine lost their jobs when the ALP blew up that coal fired power station.

  225. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 11:02 am

    Because the taxpayers are subsiding renewable energy.

    Do you think that station was built, and operated, without subsidies?

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 11:32 am

    The initial tax cuts are to small business eg clubs, pubs, butcher shops etc followed by big business. I notice the deceitful Shane from Queensland has changed his language. He now says the tax cuts are to business rather than big business.

    https://www.liberal.org.au/our-plan/backing-small-business

    Small business is the engine room of the Australian economy, employing 4.7 million Australians. … We will:

    Cut the small business company tax rate to 27.5 per cent for small businesses with a turnover less than $10 million……. The company tax rate will be progressively lowered to 25 per cent by 2026-27 for all companies.

    Plus other stuff.

    Maybe you should send a Christmas card to the 250 coal miners who lost their jobs when the ALP blew up that coal fired power station.

  227. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 11:56 am

    That’s all very well nil, but how much of OUR $50 Billion is going to these ‘small businesses”?

  228. Fake News from the Left permalink
    March 15, 2017 1:15 pm

    “….. but how much of OUR $50 Billion is going to these ‘small businesses”?”

    I thought the businesses were getting to keep THEIR money. That’s what a tax cut is.

  229. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 1:44 pm

    Fake News from the Left

    How about giving a $50,000,000,000 tax cut to the poor instead of giving it to those at the top of the tree. Would put more money back into the economy than the blood suckers at the top exporting higher profits to the cayman islands while employing no more staff than they had to in the first place.

    Giving a tax cut IS OUR MONEY. How about we have a referendum on the tax cut. I think you rightist extremists harping on about YOUR MONEY and would be in for a rude shock at the outcome.

    The WA election shows what voters think of Asset Sales and Tax Cuts while killing the less fortunate in our society.

  230. Fake News from the Left permalink
    March 15, 2017 2:05 pm

    “PR exercise to try and avoid an RC once again.”

    That’s more fake news.

    It was demanded by ASIC which hardly makes it a stunt

    http://asic.gov.au/about-asic/media-centre/find-a-media-release/2017-releases/17-065mr-asic-accepts-enforceable-undertakings-from-westpac-and-anz-to-address-inadequacies-within-their-wholesale-fx-businesses/

  231. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 2:12 pm

    That’s all very well nil, but how much of OUR $50 Billion is going to these ‘small businesses”?

    Don’t know but according to you lot multi-nationals do not pay much tax here so who knows. But one thing i do know is that if a small pub gets say an extra $20,000 because of the tax cut he will more than likely put on some extra staff if only for Friday night, Saturday and Sunday. If the govt got that extra $20,000 they would more likely waste it and would never employ as many people as private enterprise would.

    Furthermore we are only having this discussion because Rudd/Gillard increased unemployment from 4.3% to 5.8%. The ALP knows to destroy jobs. After blowing up that power station, 250 workers at the coal mine lost their jobs.

  232. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 2:20 pm

    FNFTL

    Read you own link and the EU links. ASIC has accepted undertakings. Westpac clause 3.16 and the ANZ clause 4.17 OFFERED to make donations in addition to the other actions in their offers to ASIC. ASIC simply accepted the undertakings which included community compensation. This then makes them enforceable undertakings. Nothing like making offers to make yourself look good when caught out doing the wrong thing.

  233. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 2:56 pm

    Don’t know

    I’m getting the feeling that’s the inscription your headstone will carry.

    Yet you keep using this ‘small business’ argument like it means something

    So, all small business get $1 Billion, and big business gets $49 Billion; of OUR money.

    That’s one scenario

  234. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:03 pm

    Yet you keep using this ‘small business’ argument like it means something

    I keep using it because the first tax cuts are to small business which employ 4.7M Australians.

  235. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:07 pm

    Butyou don’t seem too concerned with the possibility of lavishing $49 Billion on already lucrative big businesses.

    What happened to the ‘budget emergency”?

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:10 pm

    I thought the businesses were getting to keep THEIR money. That’s what a tax cut is.

    Ah! Ah! Another economics professor …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s more fake news.

    What’s “fake” … the breaches – law breaking? the payment – fines – for breaking the law?

    Or your … “its a stunt” comment … or the fact that the banks “will” drag it up as a “look what we’ve done” at every opportunity … particularly when the dreaded Royal Commission is mentioned …

    Fake Fact or simply The Truth … the banks rob society left .. right … and centre and continue to do so …

    Making profit is not the sole purpose of businesses particularly super businesses … they have social responsibilities … four of them if memory serves …

  237. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:21 pm

    Butyou don’t seem too concerned with the possibility of lavishing $49 Billion on already lucrative big businesses.

    The Liberal Party has always been the party of small business. You lefties like to play the class warfare game. I was just correcting the lies by people like Shane from Queensland who said the $50B of tax cuts went to big business

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:25 pm

    If we have an energy security issue … does that make the TurnAbbott government — terrorists?

  239. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:27 pm

    who said the $50B of tax cuts went to big business

    So, he should of said “$49B of tax cuts went to big business”?

    PEDANT!

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:28 pm

    The Liberal Party has always been the party of small business.

    Now that IS fake news … the bastards never did anything for us … in fact the Howard government was the worst of all!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I was just correcting the lies by people like Shane from Queensland who said the $50B of tax cuts went to big business

    Mmmm? Next you’ll be telling us that Shane is “wire tapping” Neel Towers …

  241. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:33 pm

    does that make the TurnAbbott government — terrorists?

    🙂

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:36 pm

    So, he should of said “$49B of tax cuts went to big business”?

    No, Shane should have told the truth. Shane has no idea who gets the $50B of tax cuts. Just like me.

    Now that IS fake news … the bastards never did anything for us … in fact the Howard government was the worst of all!

    Unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard. In 2007 anybody who wanted a job could get one until you voted for Rudd.

    The ALP BLOWS UP JOBS

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-09/port-augustas-coal-fired-power-station-closes/7394854

    The company closed its coal mine at Leigh Creek, which fuelled its Playford A power station late last year, but trainloads of coal have been making the journey to the power station several times a week until only recently.

    The mine had employed more than 250 people.

    Alinta chief executive Jeff Dimery said the closure was sad for workers but inevitable.

  243. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:44 pm

    TB

    Agree regarding Howard doing nothing. He did nothing for the average worker. He did give tax cuts ( a hell of a lot more to the wealthy than the poor) but most of those have been well and truly eaten up for the average worker by the GST as prices have increased. Problem is the tax cuts are now killing us with budget deficits as no government is game enough to make the top pay a fairer share.

    Not reading what Neil has to say, just skipping right over them, so have no idea what he is saying or accusing me of and don’t care.

  244. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:47 pm

    The hysterical right wing LNP member seems to be tempering his comments and outbursts after the disaster in WA for Libs, NP and ON. Abetz, Bernardi and Abbott seem to be hiding under the carpet as well

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/george-christensen-cools-on-rebranding-lnp-in-queensland-20170315-guyek0.html

  245. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 3:50 pm

    The ALP BLOWS UP JOBS.

    Yea, like the time they told Holden to bugger off, right 😉

  246. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 4:00 pm

    Yea, like the time they told Holden to bugger off, righ

    Telling lies helps nobody. Why do it TomR? You just confirm to me that like all ALP supporters you do not care about people.

    The ALP govt blew up a power plant and destroyed the lives of 250 people at the coal mine.

  247. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 4:03 pm

    and destroyed the lives of 250 people at the coal mine.

    OR

    they went and worked at all the windfarms being built.

    It’s called progress nil

    Unlike telling a car factory to bugger off without replacing their jobs

  248. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 4:07 pm

    they went and worked at all the windfarms being built.

    Totally taxpayer funded

    Unlike telling a car factory to bugger off without replacing their jobs

    Why tell lies? I guess it is in your nature. Manufacturing died in Australia because it is too expensive to make stuff here.

  249. Fake News from the Left permalink
    March 15, 2017 4:16 pm

    “OFFERED”

    That would be true if the EU actually stated that. It actually says “undertakes”

    But it does not

    More fake news from you

    But I suppose disgruntled ex bank employees are like that #deadwood

  250. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 4:43 pm

    FNFTL

    It says the ANZ and Westpac “Undertake”. When you undertake to do something, you are offering to do it under certain conditions. Petty symantics by yourself does not change the fact the EUs are offers from the Banks to ASIC.

    Disgruntled employee ? I left I was not sacked or retrenched. I actually left twice and both times was asked by management to stay.

    #deadwood. You assume far too much. Is that you Walrus ?

  251. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2017 4:52 pm

    “Is that you Walrus ?”

    Well spotted Shane. I knew if I gave your “cage” a good rattle you might twig…….LOL

    I have been away a while……….I see not much has changed.

    TB is just as cranky as ever and TomR still a fact free zone

  252. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2017 4:55 pm

    Undertake = to put oneself under obligation to perform; also : to accept as a charge or responsibility .

    “Offer” does not = Undertake

  253. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 5:07 pm

    Problem is the tax cuts are now killing us with budget deficits as no government is game enough to make the top pay a fairer share.

    Why don’t you lefties make up your minds. Koukoulas says the Howard/Costello govt was the highest taxing ever

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-14/koukoulas-the-better-economic-manager/4427680

    The budget papers also show that the Howard government was the highest taxing government in Australia’s history. In 2004-05 and 2005-06, the tax to GDP ratio reached a record high 24.2 per cent. In addition, there have been only seven occasions where the tax to GDP ratio has been in excess of 23.5 per cent of GDP and all seven were under the Howard government.

    Why don’t you leftie liars tell the truth just for once. You hate people and you want to stuff your fundamentalist job destroying beliefs down everybodies throat

  254. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 5:58 pm

    Under the terms of their agreement with ASIC they OFFER to undertake to do certain things. The banks have put an OFFER to ASIC it can accept of reject that offer which includes undertakings the Banks are making to ASIC.

    I knew it had to be you Walrus because you are one of the few that just cannot help himself and must use a personal attack in there somewhere. Rattling the cage with logic and debate would raise my opinion in a more positive way !

  255. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 6:06 pm

    Problem is the tax cuts are now killing us with budget deficits as no government is game enough to make the top pay a fairer share.

    What about these tax cuts?

    http://budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/overview/html/overview_41.htm

    The Government has delivered $47 billion of tax cuts in our first four years since coming to office. In addition, we have provided further tax cuts as assistance for the cost of living impact of the carbon price from 2012‑13. Even after accounting for the small increase in the Medicare levy in 2014‑15 we will be delivering total tax cuts of around $20 billion a year over the next four years compared to the 2007‑08 tax scales.

    Wayne Swan gave tax cuts every year and then bragged about it. Swan even provided a Table showing how much bigger his tax cuts were compared to Costello

  256. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2017 6:19 pm

    “Rattling the cage with logic and debate……”

    That would be pretty pointless………….

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/undertake

    1) to take upon oneself, as a task, performance, etc.; attempt:

    2) to promise, agree, or obligate oneself

    3) to warrant or guarantee (followed by a clause):

    4) to take in charge; assume the duty of attending to:

    Nothing about “offer”

  257. Tom R permalink
    March 15, 2017 6:37 pm

    and TomR still a fact free zone

    Well, to be honest, it’s only because the ‘facts’ I’m using are based on nils meanderings 😉

    welcome back (or should I say, back into the light)

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2017 7:43 pm

    … like all ALP supporters you do not care about people.

    You are an ALP supporter!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++’

    #deadwood. You assume far too much. Is that you Walrus ?

    Chuckle … beat me to it … again!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Offer” does not = Undertake

    Doen’t that prove Shane’s original point … a PR moment for the banks …?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Swan I no longer in government nor the Treasurer … SloMo/Morriscum/?// is … and he’s doing a wonderful job … of rooting the economy via the peasants!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why don’t you leftie liars tell the truth just for once. You hate people and you want to stuff your fundamentalist job destroying beliefs down everybodies throat

    Gee … the Liberal Mantra … do unto others in case they blame you!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Nothing about “offer”

    Once again proving that banks, financial industry “experts”, accountants, insurance companies, and the financial industry (ie shoving other people’s money around and gambling on the outcome) are full of smoke and mirrors, fiddling, deceit, charlatans … the list is just too long …

    Cranky? … nah … suffered ’em all (ie ripped off) at one stage or another … and avoid ’em like the plague …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I suppose its Farny Wal now … 🙂

  259. shaneinqld permalink
    March 15, 2017 8:05 pm

    So who completed the undertakings that were delivered to ASIC. ASIC or the Banks ?.

    If it was the Banks it was an OFFER to ASIC to undertake to do things.

  260. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2017 9:07 pm

    Now that IS fake news … the bastards never did anything for us … in fact the Howard government was the worst of all!

    No. The fact is like Shane you tell falsehoods. John Howard did not lock up 8,469 children like you did.

  261. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2017 9:55 pm

    I’m not playing your stupid games Shane . Play it with others .

    “Undertaking “as defined by the online dictionary above or can’t you read

  262. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2017 10:02 pm

    “welcome back (or should I say, back into the light)”

    I think I kind of missed you😅

    I have been lurking. But have been holidaying and working in Canberra with Mrs Walrus back and forth to Oz as house is having 4 bathrooms (ensuites in that) plus kitchen and some landscaping plus full interior and exterior repainted decorated.

  263. March 15, 2017 10:41 pm

    twitcher account. Came back

    ,

    SaveTheSwampers like @chucktodd

    ,

    ADF claims it doesn’t track where it bombs?

    ,

    Shut up. Eat pancakes! Be glad

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2017 11:02 pm

    I’m not playing your stupid games Shane .

    Looks like a win already, Shane … 😉

  265. Walrus permalink
    March 15, 2017 11:25 pm

    If you say so.

    But you have always been satisfied with childish rubbish so no surprise there. Check the definition for the word “offer”

    Anyway “Simple Shane” can’t find the word “offer” within the def of “undertaking” and I’ll leave it at that.

    You can back him TB but I’m not going on with his frankly stupid fucking argument which I’m not surprised you agree with.

  266. March 16, 2017 12:17 am

    “But have been holidaying and working in Canberra”

    No one deserves such a vile and heinous form of punishment.

  267. Pyramid Schemes permalink
    March 16, 2017 12:39 am

    (What is undertaking?)

  268. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 6:27 am

    No one deserves such a vile and heinous form of punishment.

    You moved TO Melbourne. Which begs the question. What was your crime?

    You can back him TB but I’m not going on with his frankly stupid fucking argument which I’m not surprised you agree with.

    yep, welcome back wally 🙂

  269. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 16, 2017 6:44 am

    ,Didn’t take you long to become foul mouthed, personal and abusive Walrus. Will now simply roll past your comments each and every time. All the best.

  270. shaneinqld permalink
    March 16, 2017 6:52 am

    Pyramid

    Thanks for the link

    Lots and Lots of the word “Offer” in it and it proves my point that an undertaking is an “Offer” to ASIC.

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 8:12 am

    Welcome back IATW.

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 8:26 am

    I see the ACTU supports law breaking, subject to believing the law to wrong.

    That’s a great standard! On that basis-
    • Religious zealots can retain their right to beat their wife, or engage in vigilante ‘eye for an eye’ Justice
    • Tax cheats who don’t believe in the current system can decide they’d prefer not to pay tax
    • Racists can simply flout 18C because they are sincere racists
    I wonder whether the new ACTU secretary would extend the same optional law observance to those she would disagree with.

  273. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:04 am

    yomm believes Ghandi and Martin Luther King are Criminals?

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:09 am

    Both were disenfranchised

    You’re arguing that the CFMEU thuggery is like Ghandi!!!

    Hilarious!! But bizarre.

  275. shaneinqld permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:13 am

    ToM

    I agree, however the conservatives cheered on the union movement in Poland when they broke the law under communism to push for democracy.

    Sometimes laws do deserve to be ignored or broken. It all depends at the time and circumstances and your own conscience.

    I am sure you think, like I do that many of the laws against women in Saudi Arabia are brutal and should not exist and I am sure you supported the women that broke the law and drove cars in an attempt to get the law overturned.

  276. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:15 am

    fer yomm, fer ‘context’ (or, in his case, accuracy 😉 )

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:18 am

    Poland wasn’t a parliamentary democracy Shane. People had no ability to change unjust laws through the democratic process.

    Civil disobedience is acceptable when there is no democtatic alternative.

  278. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:29 am

    Civil disobedience is acceptable when there is no democtatic alternative.

    how quickly the worm turns lol

    Welcome aboard yomm 🙂

  279. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:55 am

    What? Do you think the right to protest and demonstrate is what this is about?

    You’re clearly muddled on this

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:02 am

    There are some prominent people around who endlessly assert (and maybe even sincerely believe) that 18C is a limitation on their rights to freedom of speech.

    Do you think they’re entitled to flout the law?

  281. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:21 am

    Do you think the right to protest and demonstrate is what this is about?

    That’s precisely what this is about yomm, the Workers right to Civil disobedience.

    There is nothing more obscene to my ears than “illegal strike action”

    Do you think they’re entitled to flout the law?

    You mean like blot did. I’m glad he did, it highlighted the extent of the law, and the extent of his bigotry.

  282. March 16, 2017 10:23 am

    “Tax cheats who don’t believe in the current system can decide they’d prefer not to pay tax”

    Or they can just join the Liberal Party, or both.

  283. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:45 am

    I agree with breaking unjust laws. But you don’t use violence like the Unions would. After breaking the unjust law you then take the penalty for breaking that law eg thrown unto prison

  284. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:46 am

    I see. So you support the right of bigots to write hateful and racist stuff as long as that is their belief.

    Glad we’ve clarified that.

  285. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:59 am

    “Will now simply roll past your comments each and every time”

    Fine by me oh you precious snowflake

  286. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:59 am

    “Welcome back IATW.”

    Thanks ToM

  287. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 11:02 am

    “No one deserves such a vile and heinous form of punishment.”

    Yes I know but everyone has their price. How do you think I paid for all the renovations

  288. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 11:20 am

    I don’t think so Neil. Civil disobedience is understandable without democracy.

    A democracy provides the right to protest, demonstrate and politically campaign for change.

    Simply deciding to flout the law is a minefield because laws exist to protect people and institutions,

    If people simply accept the consequences of their action, the people that may be harmed aren’t protected by the law.

  289. March 16, 2017 11:22 am

    This is the best thing I’ve seen on TV this year!

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  290. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2017 11:37 am

    At which point it might be worth asking – why not just build an even bigger battery system and dump the idea of a new gas generator altogether?

    INDEED! Fiddling and farting with decision making is a common trait amongst Western “profit driven” politicians of all colours, shapes and ideologies!

    The idea of using diesel generators as a standby really defeats the purpose surely!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/15/why-a-gas-generator-south-australia-there-are-better-options-to-lower-power-prices

    It would be funny if it wasn’t so life-threatening! Reactive government at its best worst!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/16/turnbull-2bn-snowy-hydro-electric-expansion

  291. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 11:42 am

    So you support the right of bigots to write hateful and racist stuff as long as that is their belief.

    As long as they are happy being prosecuted for it yomm 😉

    This is the best thing I’ve seen on TV this year!

    He’s got ’em by the goolies

    Priceless

    And, they deserve every bit of it.

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 11:51 am

    No. I don’t think it’s right for anyone to vilify an ethnic group, or to beat their wife, just because that reflects their religion or philosophy

    Where’s the protection for the likely victim in that?

  293. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 12:02 pm

    Meanwhile the ALP’s Andrew Leigh shows up the danger of an ALP government with a show of extraordinary and humiliating ignorance about financial markets.

    What a dope………………….Massive FAIL

    “But on Monday, Dr Leigh put on the most incredible display of corporate/financial sector ignorance we have ever seen by a Treasury portfolio frontbencher. Period.”

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window/labors-andrew-leigh-humiliates-himself-on-share-registry-ignorance-20170314-guy6k6#ixzz4bRkN9Sj3
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

  294. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 12:18 pm

    Where’s the protection for the likely victim in that?

    “just’ laws 😉

    Will we see ulman apologise?

    South Australia shows up the federal government … and rightwing commentary</i

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2017/mar/16/south-australia-shows-up-the-federal-government-and-rightwing-commentary?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 1:12 pm

    So you’re willing to have people harmed as long as the perpetrator is willing to accept the consequences.

    That’s F***ED

  296. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 1:31 pm

    That’s F***ED

    Not as F***ED as the convoluted way that you came to that erroneous accusation

  297. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 1:50 pm

    Really?

    How do you decide which laws can be broken? You’ve already said racial vilification is ok as long as the perpetrator is willing to throw themselves to the mercy of the legal system

  298. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 1:56 pm

    You’ve already said racial vilification is ok

    LINK!

    (and READ what I wrote about blot before claiming something)

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:19 pm

    As long as they are happy being prosecuted for it yomm

    Have I misrepresented this statement?

  300. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:33 pm

    Have I misrepresented this statement?

    You missed a bit

    ” 😉 “

  301. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:36 pm

    The secret of the gas crisis is that it is bullshit
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/03/16/there-is-no-gas-crisis-in-australia-but-suppliers-are-artificially-keeping-supply-low/

    …The only real gas crisis is that suppliers are artificially keeping supply low to drive up prices…

    Five journalists facing charges make plea on source protection
    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/five-journalists-facing-charges-make-plea-on-source-protection-20130402-2h4dr.html

    …”The wealthy and powerful in Australia are increasingly using courts to prevent the public having access to information they have a right to know,” said MEAA director of media, Paul Murphy.

    “No journalist should face criminal conviction for doing their job ethically and in the public interest. Such journalism is a cornerstone of our democracy.”…

    The Australian is howling offence. But calling Bill Leak a racist is ‘free speech’ too
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/15/the-australian-is-howling-offence-but-calling-bill-leak-a-racist-is-free-speech-too

    While conservatives kick the CFMEU, employers get a free pass
    Oooooh no, Sally McManus said “illegal” strikes might not be as bad as workplaces so dangerous employees are killed.

  302. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:43 pm

    Yep.

    The law is optional. But only for the left

  303. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 3:04 pm

    But only for the left

    brandis is a lefty?

    While conservatives kick the CFMEU, employers get a free pass

    As it always was, and always will be ao 😦

  304. Conflict Of Lores permalink
    March 16, 2017 3:17 pm

    (Yep?

    The law is optional. But only for the left?)

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 4:59 pm

    Just as a matter of interest, which non left political party, employer organisation or right wing lobby group advocates breaking the law?

  306. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 5:18 pm

    “The law is optional. But only for the left”

    Yep……….that’s why heads of Unions get away with stealing members money.

    That’s OK according to TomR

  307. March 16, 2017 7:05 pm

    l see our in-house `Game-of-Drones` is in full swing by the `usual` suspects RE mcmannus. So now we are being recited the usual phurphies of how `thuggish` and dangerous the cmfu2 are. Yes, its the same cmfu2 that had a smiling war-criminal wandering amoungst thousands of them quite unharmed. ln our `Game-of-Drones` we ignore the cmfu2 are not in the export/ import business that may or may not be making 9-mill hand shooters from india and china available to public (with full clips) for around 4-hundred bucks. Just where these 9-mills pop-up, well, we will all just have to wait`n see. ln our `Game-of-Drones` we also pretend that `random-elements` will never happen to us, no aircraft wheel bouncing down the road will kill my family (it will `only` get the tradie in his ute, ha, ha), nor will any pushed-over the-edge looney kill my family in an `auto-tewwa` or `cafe-tewwa` event (it will `only` get the cleaner and the maintenance guys, ha, ha). Oh yes, in our `Game-of-Drones` our superior arrogance shields us from all dangers.

    +++++

    l am also enjoying the public arse-fcuking the canoeland premier has teabag-josh, while talkbull trys to cure his relevence deprivation at snowy-hydro since canoeland premier has cuts deals with Atlassian and Tesla.

  308. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:40 pm

    which non left political party, employer organisation or right wing lobby group advocates breaking the law?

    Or defends it 😉

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:26 pm

    Wrong thread… I blame the ordinary red I had with an ordinary meal…

    How is the Spycatcher case relevant?
    Wasn’t it a legal argument about whether an application for a suppression order by the Thatcher government would be granted on Australia?
    That was an example of the rule of law.

  310. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 17, 2017 6:10 am

    ToM

    What about the media reporters who refuse under court order to reveal their sources to provide us with truthful information that thugs like politicians and big business are trying to cover up ?

  311. shaneinqld permalink
    March 17, 2017 6:23 am

    ToM

    The Murdoch Media are right wing and they advocate breaking the law by obtaining information from sources and then refusing to reveal those sources when ordered under a court of law.

    Funny how a Union Whistle Blower is a Champion and deserves protection and immediate and unreserved praise form those who hate unions, however a Big Business Whistle Blower will face the full force of the law for breaching confidentiality rules, or employment conditions, or any other legal argument a company can throw at the employee under the guise of confidentiality and employee employer breach, with hardly a whimper from the LNP.

  312. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 9:02 am

    Yes Shane, there are a range of examples of people who have sincere beliefs that break the law.

    They all have an excuse, journalists, opponents of 18C, religious zealots… all believe in the legitimacy of their reason to break the law.

    People in responsible leadership positions should promote observance of the law – not just choosing to observe those laws that are consistent with their own beliefs – because they wouldn’t extend the same rights to those with an opposing view.

  313. shaneinqld permalink
    March 17, 2017 9:11 am

    ToM

    So glad you agree that there are more than just the CFMEU that you seem to detest with an unhealthy hatred.

  314. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 9:16 am

    there are a range of examples of people who have sincere beliefs that break the law.

    Ghandi
    Martin Luther King
    Nelson Mandela

    People in responsible leadership positions should promote observance of the law

    Like Shirtfronting people? I’d have thought that would come under the jurisdiction of “assault”, or at least, “threatening language”?

    I mean, imagine if I just walked up to someone on the street and shirtfronted them, no matter how much of a dick they were?

  315. March 17, 2017 9:51 am

    I watched the Sally McManus interview on ABC iview last night and try as she might Leigh Sales couldn’t land a killer blow on the unflappable McManus.

    It was quite a sight to behold – watching Sales get all hot and flustered with McManus simply slapping down each and every attempt to get some possible rise out of her.

    It was brilliant!

  316. March 17, 2017 9:55 am

    As McManus pointed out, workers who stopped work to protest the deaths at the Grocon site were accused of breaking the law.

    Sometimes civil disobedience is necessary to bring about change.

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  317. March 17, 2017 9:59 am

    So ToM do you support doctors who break the law to speak out about the abuse that’s going on in Australia’s offshore detention centres, or is your view that they should obey the govt and remain silent?

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 10:21 am

    hehe love this …

    The state’s law says the following activities do not count for overtime pay:

    The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing for shipment or distribution of:

    (1) Agricultural produce;
    (2) Meat and fish products; and
    (3) Perishable foods.

    The drivers argued, due to a lack of a comma between “packing for shipment” and “or distribution”, the law refers to the single activity of “packing”, not to “packing” and “distribution” as two separate activities. As the drivers distribute – but do not pack – the goods, this would make them eligible for overtime pay.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/16/oxford-comma-helps-drivers-win-dispute-about-overtime-pay

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 10:30 am

    I can understand why a doctor who observes mistreatment would wish to report this regardless of the law.

    I can entirely understand why, during the Vietnam War, people decided to resist registering for conscription – against their legal obligations.

    But reb, do you respect the rights of people to make racist remarks because they argue (and maybe sincerely believe) 18C limits free speech?

    It is particularly irresponsible for political/organisational leaders to encourage or facilitate the breaking of laws in a democracy.

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 10:37 am

    So TurnAbbott does support penalty rate cuts (and any other wage cuts I would suspect!)

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says his government supports the cut to Sunday penalty rates in retail and hospitality and will offer a view on how it should be phased in.

  321. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 10:46 am

    It is particularly irresponsible for political/organisational leaders to encourage or facilitate the breaking of laws in a democracy.

    You mean like the libs are currently doing in regards to 18c?

  322. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 10:48 am

    in retail and hospitality

    What about other occupations?

    Or is this just blatant class warfare?

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 11:01 am

    I thought some libs are lobbying for change to 18C. I haven’t seen any saying to law should be broken

    Do you have a link?

  324. March 17, 2017 11:27 am

    Reportland, yes reb, mcmannus handed Leigh her arse as she went thru her teabag-checklist. l watched it twice, caught the late-late re-run too. Reportland-crew making themselves look stupid, failed under fairness`n balance l reckon. Also seemed to be `advocating` within questions, implying `striking` is some kind of `super-crime`, yet as mcmannus pointed out, killing 5-workers `is-not`. (plus 3-kids not mentioned by mcmannus) #yaaaaay.grollo

    +++++

    Twitcher.

    @tonyhwindsor MTs leadership void exposed by Jay. So MT innovates #FakeNews headlines only. No substance. MTs time running out. #Snowy

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 11:28 am

    Or is this just blatant class warfare?

    Discrimination … but I remember a particular commenter here telling us that the government didn’t support a change … when obviously they do/did all a long?

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 11:36 am

    Nothing much on the biggest corporate fine in Australia too …

    … a massive story of TABCORP breaches of anti money laundering and anti terrorist laws … reported yesterday, squibbed and buried today …

    … but when it comes to the CFMEU, ACTU, and strikes WOW! (Locks outs are not illegal apparently) …

    With the AFP, news, and big business on side … and let’s not forget Dutton’s Special Forces Border Patrol … it looks like the ADF may be next … strolling the cities with Steyr in hand … particularly building sites?

  327. shaneinqld permalink
    March 17, 2017 11:48 am

    TB

    Yes, the government supporting cutting penalty rates was glaringly obvious, even to those who denied it. The denial was simply parroting the party line at the time. Now Malcolm will have to explain to hundreds of thousands of voters why it is better for them to get less money while being better for them to give business more money. He will also have to explain how creating one of the biggest class warfare attacks on the poor is not class warfare.

  328. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 12:08 pm

    It’s odd that when a single (former AMWU official) made a non binding recommendation about the CFA dispute, all the union apologists were were demanding that the CFA Board accept the decision of the umpire”

    Now we have a full bench of FWC (all ALP appointees) that hear a couple of years of evidence, review hundreds of submissions and issue an actual decision at the end of all that, but it’s unacceptable!! And apparently Turnbull’s fault!

    Hilarious!

  329. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2017 12:09 pm

    Now Malcolm will have to explain to hundreds of thousands of voters why it is better for them to get less money while being better for them to give business more money.

    Perhaps you should ask the FWC first. But i am all for it if it gets more people into work. We are only having this discussion because the ALP took unemployment from 4.3% to 5.8%. Even though the GFC is over the economic numbers are not falling to their pre-GFC levels

  330. March 17, 2017 12:09 pm

    “I thought some libs are lobbying for change to 18C. I haven’t seen any saying to law should be broken Do you have a link?”

    I’m still trying to figure out what you’re actually saying, never mind having “a link”……

  331. March 17, 2017 12:12 pm

    “”Now Malcolm will have to explain to hundreds of thousands of voters why it is better for them to get less money while being better for them to give business more money. He will also have to explain how creating one of the biggest class warfare attacks on the poor is not class warfare.””

    I know right, it’s hilarious!

    An own goal if ever there was one…

  332. shaneinqld permalink
    March 17, 2017 12:19 pm

    ToM

    The decision of the full bench of the FWC brought down a ruling that actually makes workers WORSE OFF. That is the difference. IN addition it has been selective in what workers it makes worse off. That is discrimination and class warfare of the worst order.

    The decision is wrong irrespective of who stacked the board, was on the board, stood in the room, had a cup of tea with the board, did the board members hair and make up. It is wrong.

  333. March 17, 2017 12:21 pm

    “”I can understand why a doctor who observes mistreatment would wish to report this regardless of the law.””

    So you are ok with people breaking the law.

    Glad we got that cleared up.

    For a moment there I thought you were admonishing union officials for doing the same thing, when peoples lives are at stake.

  334. shaneinqld permalink
    March 17, 2017 12:24 pm

    reb

    The thing is so many of those working on weekends in the retail industry are majorly affected in LNP seats. Especially rural seats. Each one of those employees has a family of siblings, children, parents, cousins and the rest. It will be interesting when I travel south west again to see what the opinions of the rusted on LNP supporters are in relation to their own children getting less money for their job. Already on the nose with their pensioner attacks.

  335. March 17, 2017 12:36 pm

    yes Shane, it seems like the LNP have already given up on winning the next election and are simply trying to ram thru as many changes as possible to cut costs and maximise profits for their big business bosses.

  336. shaneinqld permalink
    March 17, 2017 12:47 pm

    reb

    Never thought of it that way, but maybe you are onto something there.

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2017 12:54 pm

    nd are simply trying to ram thru as many changes as possible to cut costs and maximise profits for their big business bosses.

    The Coalition had nothing to do with the FWC decision. And “The Shack” is big business? The pizza shop i buy my pizzas from on Saturday night is big business? The corner pub i go to from time to time is big business?

  338. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2017 1:26 pm

    “……..and are simply trying to ram thru as many changes as possible to cut costs and maximise profits for their big business bosses.”

    Is that so…………?

    “Many workers in the retail, fast food and warehouse and distribution industries are covered by Enterprise Agreements which have been negotiated by the SDA.”

    http://www.sda.org.au/resources/enterprise-agreements/

    Aldi Agreement – Brendale 2015
    ALDI DANDENONG AGREEMENT 2013
    ALDI DERRIMUT AGREEMENT 2012
    ALDI JANDAKOT AGREEMENT 2015
    ALDI MINCHINBURY AGREEMENT 2012
    ALDI PRESTONS AGREEMENT 2013 – VARIATION
    ALDI PRESTONS AGREEMENT 2013
    ALDI STAPYLTON AGREEMENT 2012
    BEST AND LESS ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2013
    BETTS GROUP AGREEMENT – 2013
    Big W – Stores Agreement – 2012
    Bras And Things Enterprise Agreement 2014
    Bunnings SDA Retail Trade Agreement – 2013
    BUNNINGS WAREHOUSE SMALL FORMAT AGREEMENT 2013
    BWS ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2013
    COLES LIQUOR GROUP RETAIL AGREEMENT – 2014
    COLES SUPERMARKETS AUSTRALIA PTY LTD & BI-LO PTY LTD RETAIL AGREEMENT 2011
    COSTCO WHOLESALE ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2016-2019_Decision_January_2017
    COSTCO WHOLESALE AGREEMENT 2012-2016
    DAN MURPHYS AGREEMENT 2012
    DAVID JONES ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2012
    Decision 2016 FWCA 4320 16 December 2016
    Dominos Pizza Agreement – 2009 (AV Staff Pty Ltd)
    DULUX TRADE CENTRE AGREEMENT 2016
    FREEDOM RETAIL ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2013 – 2016
    HARRIS SCARFE AGREEMENT – 2011
    IKEA ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2013
    KFC NATIONAL ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT – 2010
    KMART AUSTRALIA LTD AGREEMENT 2012
    Lovisa Enterprise Agreement 2014
    Masters Agreement – 2014
    MCDONALDS AUSTRALIA ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2013
    MOZI ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2013
    MYER STORES AGREEMENT – 2010
    NONI B ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2014
    Officeworks Agreement – 2012
    PGFG ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2013
    Pizza Hut Queensland – SDA Employee Relations Agreement 2014
    PRICELINE RETAIL EMPLOYEES ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT – 2013
    PROUDS RETAIL EMPLOYEES ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT – 2011
    Red Rooster Agreement – 2009
    REJECT SHOP AGREEMENT – 2014
    SFG NATIONAL RETAIL ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT – 2011
    SUPER RETAIL GROUP ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT – 2015
    SUZANNE GRAE AGREEMENT – 2012
    TARGET AUSTRALIA RETAIL AGREEMENT 2012
    Tasty Trucks – Agreement – 2015
    WOOLWORTHS LIQUOR AGREEMENT 2012
    WOOLWORTHS NATIONAL SUPERMARKET AGREEMENT 2012
    WOOLWORTHS PETROL ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT – 2012

  339. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 1:36 pm

    was there a point to that spam wally?

  340. Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2017 1:39 pm

    And here is Bill Shitten the “workers friend”

    “He later had to admit that the workers covered by a deal with the cleaning company, Cleanevent, which the AWU originally negotiated in 1998 and renewed in 2004 and 2006, would have been “vastly better off” without the deal. So much for his earlier claim to be the quintessential workers’ friend. ..”

    https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/bill-shorten-faces-unions-royal-commission

    And who set up the mechanism to cut penalty rates, who set up FWA, who appointed the Commissioners who made the decision.

    Shorten already has form in regards to “better outcomes” for workers.

    Bill is the “Workers Friend” ?…………………I say BULLSHIT !

    Dont blame the LNP blame Shorten

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 1:44 pm

    If the FWC got it so wrong, it’s interesting that no one has appealed the decision. That’s the left – complain about rights, but don’t exercise appeal rights.

  342. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 1:48 pm

    The left thinks it’s ok to break the law as long as the law is one they disagree with.

    They don’t hold the same principled position for those exercising their conscience about an opposing value/opinion

    But that’s the left for you.

  343. March 17, 2017 2:02 pm

    “The left thinks it’s ok to break the law as long as the law is one they disagree with.”

    So doctors are all lefties then, is that what you’re saying?

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 2:04 pm

    Probably Greens.

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 2:09 pm

    Yep, thought so…

    When the esteemed Royal Australasian College of Physicians met in Cairns in May the agenda was dominated by the rights of asylum seekers, divestment from fossil fuels and the administration of transgender medication.
    While the doctors worked their way through a playbook that seemed more at home at a Greens Party conference

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-01/lewis-our-jobs-no-longer-define-how-we-vote/6585894

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 4:00 pm

    For a moment there I thought you were admonishing union officials for doing the same thing, when peoples lives are at stake.

    PLATINUM!

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 4:10 pm

    … are covered by Enterprise Agreements which have been negotiated by the SDA.”

    And have a limited lifespan Next EBA negotiations what do you suspect will happen?

    Defending the “thin edge of the wedge” is simply hypocrisy …

    And SDA Union has been a “little soft” in negotiations in the past …

  348. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 17, 2017 5:49 pm

    ToM

    I really didn’t think you were so hysterically rusted to the right.

  349. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 6:19 pm

    I really didn’t think you were so hysterically rusted to the right.

    Oh Shane, that’s just Priceless 😆

    vastly better off” without the deal

    and renewed in 2004 and 2006

    One word (made from two)

    Workchoices.

    So, the libs bring down working wages, and it’s the Unions fault

    The stupid here know no bounds

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 6:44 pm

    We don’t usually award two PLATINUM Awards in one day, Shane … but …!

    I really didn’t think you were so hysterically rusted to the right.

    PLATINUM!

    (ToM is secretly bipartisan … apparently ~(8-D

    The stupid here know no bounds

    That’s OK they’re the one who come and go … it’s always hard to defend the indefensible …

    At least I get pissed off with left … whatever that actually is these days …

  351. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2017 6:56 pm

    Shane, since when has the rule of law and respecting the umpire’s decision been the definition of right?

  352. March 17, 2017 7:19 pm

    Tom, since when has breaking the rule of law and disrespecting the umpire’s decision been the definition of left?

    {see, two can play that game}

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 8:03 pm

    chuckle!

  354. shaneinqld permalink
    March 18, 2017 6:51 am

    ToM

    When you start the left and lefty accusations, despite my being one of the people that actually attacks both sides, you justified my comment.

  355. shaneinqld permalink
    March 18, 2017 7:14 am

    ToM

    I was in a union that had 1 strike in 75 years. Yet during my employment I witnessed the following things.
    1) Accusations against me by my manager of writing fictitious loans for family, for which the Union stood by my side. They were all lies and yet I was not permitted to see what accusations my manager had written and sent off to head office. The most stressful time of my life. Absolutely nothing happened to my manager and I had to move as I could no longer work with him.
    2) A frauds investigation manager who said he might not find the thief but he will get someone.
    3) Unethical and disgraceful targets forcing staff to sell products to customers for which they had no need and which could financially disadvantage them.
    4) Bonuses paid to bosses behind the scenes to pressure staff to accept AWAs.
    5) A discussion with a very senior boss only one down form the CEO who told me point blank that if I talked about what we had discussed they would deny what we were talking about exists. Good honesty and integrity there.
    6) The destruction of employees future careers due to the greed of bosses where staff were made not releasable for a promotion as their current boss wanted to keep them.

    Bending the rules within the law until the rules are useless is rampant throughout business, yet if you mention anything you are howled down as a lefty, pinko, greenie, socialist, communist. No !!! maybe we just want things to be fair on both sides of the ledger.

    It is the same as where is the RC into business after the RC into Unions? There has been so much more theft of workers wages, manipulation of 457 visas, lies from franchisors and destruction of franchisees, flouting of laws, than there was ever to come out of the Union RC, yet we cannot have an RC into Business practices. Where are the criminal charges against the franchisors and franchisees. Can you not see why those of us in the middle are disgusted in the political ideology of all this. It is unfair and totally unAustralian to attack one side so mercilessly while remaining silent at the disgraceful actions of the other side.

    This doesn’t change the opinion of rusted on so called left or right voters, but it does make those of us who switch our vote sick to the stomach. WA has proven that beyond doubt.

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2017 9:16 am

    … and I back Shane’s comments 100% … I was on both sides of the coin – at different times … a (reluctant) union rep and a line and staff manager …

    I await replies with interest …

    (Shane, a close family member works for a major bank and all the issues you mention continue today … banks see employees and a resource not people … )

  357. March 18, 2017 10:20 am

    There,,,,has been so much more theft of workers wages, manipulation of 457 visas, lies from franchisors and destruction of franchisees, flouting of laws, than there was ever to come out of the Union,,,,#correct

    # ,, plus biz have killed workers, customers and public, not onion or `protest` group.

    +++++

    so,,,,hysterically rusted to the right,,,,

    # ,, both of`em are, devout, braindeads that refuse to see fact. l guess that`s why they settle for the zombies and their greasy leader with no vision, no leadership, no nads and no technical knowledge, and not much time remaining. (don`t know if reb`s[fanboi] still powdering his arse with Talcum)

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2017 3:36 pm

    Shane, I don’t think anything I have said endorses any of the behavior you’ve referred to.

    As l’ve said on many occasions, I was a full time union official, and I was responsible for many of the types of activities you refer to. I was an effective advocate for many employees who had been unfairly dismissed or wrongly accused.

    I don’t recall that I’ve ever been critical of those activities by unions.

    My criticism has always been on the poor ethics, the cavalier attitude towards the law and the conflict between the industrial/membership objectives of the union and the political ambitions of union officials.

    I also don’t recall that I’ve endorsed any unsavoury or unethical business practices by banks or anyone else. But there’s not much discussion about rthat here because it’s not a point that gets debated.

    So if you think all that makes me some right wing zealot, I’ll have to disagree with you.

  359. March 18, 2017 4:25 pm

    “I don’t recall that I’ve ever been critical of those activities by unions.”

    “I DON’T RECALL…!!”

    ToM’s sounding more and more like George Brandis with each passing day…. 🙂

  360. shaneinqld permalink
    March 18, 2017 6:41 pm

    ToM

    How many times have you bashed Unions on this site and how many times have you bashed business.

    I bash both sides of the political spectrum. I also agree when unions have gone too far. I am yet to see you criticise the other side. Silence is not an excuse, simply saying you have not endorsed behaviour is not an excuse either.

    I have not seem you post one criticism against the other side. I have not seen you post one positive comment about a union.

    I called you a rusted on right wing supporter because you resorted to the lefty accusations of which I gave you more credit.

  361. shaneinqld permalink
    March 18, 2017 6:47 pm

    TB

    I know they still exist and that is why we need an RC. I have many friends still in there. The day they privatised the CBA was the day they totally fucked the banking system in this country. They also destroyed the CDB. The only bank that would lend on anything at all if the plan and figures stacked up. Now it is all greed, theft and profit for shareholders.

    Very rarely do I agree with Pauline Hanson. Bring back the peoples bank and bring back integrity, honesty and decency in the banking industry where service exists for the right reason.

  362. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2017 7:05 pm

    . The day they privatised the CBA was the day they totally fucked the banking system in this country.

    Interesting? Who is THEY? Oh yes it was Paul Keating who privatised the Comm Bank. If it was Howard you would have mentioned his name.

  363. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2017 9:43 pm

    Shane, you know something about banks and post comments on the basis of your experience.

    I’ve worked in the highly politically charged environment of a union, so I post about my experience and knowledge.

    Working as a full time official and delegate to peak councils, as well as ALP conferences provides a different type of insight and experience to (say) TB’s experience as (an apparently press ganged) workplace delegate.

    Most of the discussion here is about subjects were people diverge in opinion, rather than agree. It isn’t a site that has a discussion along the lines of-

    Shane – banks are unethical and rip people off.
    TB – Shane’s right
    AO – I agree with TB
    Reb – AO is right
    Tom R – We need a Royal Commission, as the ALP so rightly suggests but the Liberals oppose.
    TB – Tom R has nailed it
    Tom – yeah
    Teabagz – ^^^### Trump### is right>>>

    I’m afraid I kind of don’t see the point of that type of discussion

  364. Hendos`Favorite`Teabag permalink
    March 18, 2017 10:57 pm

    Wow Shane! Ya`being lectured to from atop a mountain of bullshit @March 18, 2017 3:36 pm.

    Lets check the `working-examples` boo-melb has supplied us, shall we. (-:

    boo-melb,,,,anything I have said endorses,,,,

    # ,, teh-ipa wish list

    boo-melb,,,,I was a full time union official,,,,

    # ,, yet his hysteric bleating so often shows he has no idea what an onion-reps `tasks` are

    boo,,,,and I was responsible for many of,,,,

    # ,, boo`s own `fight-picking` on my #mh17 tweet proves beyond any doubt boo-melb has absolutely no fcuking clue on; ohs, public-safety, duty-of care. Not only `basics` for onion-reps, but also `basics` for general `industrial-plebs`.

    boo,,,,My criticism has always been on the poor ethics, the cavalier attitude towards the law and the conflict between the industrial/ membership objectives of the union and the political ambitions of union officials. I also don’t recall that I’ve endorsed any unsavoury or unethical business practices by banks or anyone else. But there’s not much discussion about rthat here because it’s not a point that gets debated,,,,

    # ,, trying to seize the moral high-ground using `ethics`, law, cavalier attitude; by only applying it to `Side-A` (onions/ workers) and refusing to apply it to Side-B (biz) is a true sign of people with no-ethics themselves, no judgement, and no knowledge of `ethics`, usually used by advertisers and lobbyists. Smart ethical people will also take into account any recent `Law-mangling`, and by who.

    boo-melb,,,,all that makes me some right wing zealot,,,,#correct

    # ,, often proven by his hysteric anti-onion bleating, yet when others here show public/ workers killed, what they get is the usual episode of `run-teabag-run`, the lobbyist(ipa) tactic of silence in the face of; being off-ipa-approved talk-point.

    Advertising pretending to be discussion.

  365. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2017 11:04 pm

    yomm – Unions = BAD!

    I’m sure he’s support this though.

  366. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 19, 2017 6:47 am

    ToM

    A more balanced article on breaking the law, from a person I consider to be more middle of the political spectrum as well. A good read. No hysteria just facts.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/sally-mcmanus-knows-breaking-unjust-laws-is-just-part-of-the-process-for-winning-rights-20170317-gv0iir.html

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2017 10:00 am

    RIP

    Chuck Berry

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