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Jay Weatherill tears Josh Frydenberg a new one on national TV!

March 16, 2017

The insipid  Josh Frydenberg has had his arse handed to him on a plate by SA Labor Premier Jay Weatherill during an extraordinary press conference in Adelaide earlier today.

Tensions flared, as a sheepish Frydenberg was left reeling from a severe lashing from the SA Premier who accused the Federal Government of “disgraceful” conduct.

Mr Weatherill called the Snowy River Hydro expansion announcement by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull as a “$2 billion insult” to South Australia, while branding the Commonwealth’s overall approach as reactive and panic-driven after years doing nothing.

“It shows that the Commonwealth government are in a white knuckled panic about national energy policy. It is a $2 billion admission that the national energy market has broken and there needs to be public investments to actually fix it up.”

“We have today this two billion-dollar insult where money is being spent to keep the lights on in Sydney at a time when we’re facing energy shortages over the coming summer,” Mr Weatherill said.

“That’s why our plan is about acting … in South Australia’s interests.”

“It’s about making sure that we can stand on our own two feet, because we know that we’re being let down by a federal government that’s anti-South Australia.”

Both men had been attending the press conference to mark the switching on of a so-called “virtual power plant;” a connected series of solar-powered batteries across the city.

Mr Weatherill said it was “an outrage” that Mr Frydenberg would try to claim credit for the solar scheme after being so critical of his government’s “ideological” fixation with renewable energy.

Mr Frydenberg has been deeply critical of the SA Weatherill government’s emphasis on renewable energy, as well as its recent decision to build a new state-owned gas power plant.

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  1. March 16, 2017 1:24 pm

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  2. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 1:29 pm

    “PM @TurnbullMalcolm is so concerned about SA’s power needs he’s planning to spend $2B on NSW Snowy Hydro that’s not connected to SA.”

    That’s just a stupid comment since such investment would free up otherwise required baseload coal power to go to SA rather than NSW or Vic.

  3. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 1:33 pm

    That’s just a stupid comment since such investment would free up otherwise required baseload coal power to go to SA rather than NSW or Vic.

    That’s kinda recursive in it’s stupidity wally

  4. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 1:37 pm

    I see the abc is trying to polish the turd, saying Jay ‘gatecrashed’ the presser (in his own state ROFL)

    This is more to my liking

  5. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 1:39 pm

    meanwhile, in the real world

  6. March 16, 2017 2:00 pm

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  7. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:04 pm

    Mr Dunlop still has it.

    I mean, the feds have been kicking SA for years (yes, canoe land goes back to the previous mob, and we won’t forgot who killed kenny Holden)

    I’m just surprised that frydy was so surprised (as shown by his face)

    I guess he’s so used to bullying and bullshitting that getting a dose of reality was totally new to him

    And, apparently, Victoria knew nothing about the Snowy Mountain brain fart (weren’t the libs trying to flog that off just last year?)

  8. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:13 pm

    lol “It’s about to be”

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:14 pm

    It has been raining again in Sydney so once again the Global warming scare has been proved wrong. Victoria built a desal plant for a total cost over the lifetime of $20B- $30B and has never been used. Sydneys desal plant is not needed.

    Now we have to bail out SA because they blew up their coal fired power station because coal is evil or something

  10. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:20 pm

    fer nil

    Unemployment climbed from 5.7 to 5.9 per cent in February as an estimated 6,400 jobs were lost over the month.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/abs-employment-jobs-data-february/8359312

    They’re doing a wundafull job, aint they?

  11. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:33 pm

    Unemployment climbed from 5.7 to 5.9 per cent in February as an estimated 6,400 jobs were lost over the month.

    And it was 4.3 per cent and falling in 2007 before the ALP trashed the joint.

    By the way unemployment only fell below 6 percent under Hawke/keating for only a few months. For 13 years it was above 6 % and at 11 % when Keating became PM

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 2:57 pm

    Well that’s one for the books!
    Politicians scoring political points about energy policy.
    Never happened before… unless I’m mistaken.

  13. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 3:06 pm

    unless I’m mistaken.

    Never happened before… 😯

  14. March 16, 2017 3:11 pm

    Reblogged this on The Grovely Gazette.

  15. john o'callaghan permalink
    March 16, 2017 3:32 pm

    There is no doubt that Jush Friedmybrain has had a Barry Crocker,and he is starting to make a habit out of it…………

  16. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 4:33 pm

    So SA blows up its last coal powerstation and then relies on renewables, a gas station that wont fire up fast enough and the base load fossil fuel power of other states and then has 4 blackouts.

    But its someone else’s fault………………………………..LOL

  17. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 4:55 pm

    But its someone else’s fault

    er, you understand that, even when the national market forced blackouts on us, we had spare capacity unused here?

  18. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 5:19 pm

    Yes….Yes……all these sudden blackouts……….its all just a HUGE coincidence you know

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2017 5:57 pm

    So SA blows up its last coal powerstation and then relies on renewables

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    https://climatism.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/playford-coal-station-blowup-jobs1.jpeg?w=575&h=324

    Furthermore 250 people working at the coal mine supply coal to the power station lost their jobs.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2017 7:33 pm

    Want to read some lies, neel … try this …

    T,
    Today I addressed the National Press Club on how the Liberal Federal Government is working for you in 2017.

    As Liberals we are determined to foster and reward the great Australian spirit of having a go and taking a risk. Our policies are focused on enabling people to do their best – not setting limits and telling them what is best.

    The difference between the Liberal Government and Bill Shorten’s Labor could not be more stark.

    Labor stands for higher power prices, higher taxes, higher spending and less trade. They want to return to the border protection policies that led to 1,200 tragic deaths at sea.

    But your Liberal Government is creating jobs, reducing the cost of living, securing our borders and repairing the budget so that we can afford better healthcare and education.

    Our policies are making the economy more competitive and jobs more secure. They include tax cuts that will put more money back in the hands of workers and enable small businesses to invest more. And our export trade deals are opening up new markets for Australian goods, creating thousands of new jobs, particularly in regional Australia.

    We are easing cost of living pressures on families, with a childcare package that will make it more affordable and available.

    Electricity prices will be lower and energy supplies more reliable, under my Government.

    We are providing strong border security with policies that reduce the threat of terrorism and allow us to have a generous immigration system.

    Everything we do as a Government is designed to make your lives better, safer and more prosperous. And the opportunities we are providing are built on strong foundations of economic and national security.

    You can read my full speech here. (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2017/02/01/MTNPC?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=be413b9255-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_03_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-be413b9255-57938261)

    Regards,
    Malcolm Turnbull
    Prime Minister

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2017 8:07 pm

    And more LIES!

    “To be honest, I didn’t even know Jay was going to be here.”

    Suddenly the strained suburban tableau made sense. An ambush! In genteel Adelaide of all places.

    Except the ambush theory became a bit frayed when it became known later that AGL had known for a week the premier would be present at the festivities on Thursday.

    A bit strange that the company would have neglected to tell Frydenberg his chief combatant was also popping by.

    And it turns out AGL did tell Frydenberg Weatherill would be present. On Wednesday night. So the minister was warned. Which made the “I’m the victim here guys” protestation from Frydenberg somewhat thin.

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    March 16, 2017 8:15 pm

    And more LIES!

    “To be honest, I didn’t even know Jay was going to be here.”

    Suddenly the strained suburban tableau made sense. An ambush! In genteel Adelaide of all places.

    Except the ambush theory became a bit frayed when it became known later that AGL had known for a week the premier would be present at the festivities on Thursday.

    A bit strange that the company would have neglected to tell Frydenberg his chief combatant was also popping by.

    And it turns out AGL did tell Frydenberg Weatherill would be present. On Wednesday night. So the minister was warned. Which made the “I’m the victim here guys” protestation from Frydenberg somewhat thin.

    Comment!

    NewmanOldjoke tonyjg01 6h ago

    Right-wing projection, standard LNP behavior :”Always accuse your opponent of your own failings”.

    Absofknlutely!

    This country is run by kindergarten kids … without a kurriculum or karers!

  23. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2017 9:50 pm

    a gas station that wont fire up fast enough

    LINK!

    There was plenty of time, if the national market had allowed it.

    and then has 4 blackouts.

    I recall three, two when extreme weather events (not sure where they came from) destroyed large portions of vital infrastructure (although, the wind farms operated throughout it all)

    And another, when the national market refused to turn on the available power. Yet bent over backwards for NSW, the coal state, even going so far as to force industry to shut down, whereas in SA, they not only forced blackouts on families, they shut down 10 times more than they needed to.

    Oh, and through them all, the gas generators failed, multiple times. Coincidence? Or was it just another gambit to reap profits from their other generators?

    “To be honest, I didn’t even know Jay was going to be here.”

    I don’t think josh friedenbutt spoke one thing that was accurate today. Interestingly, the local media are pretty ho hum about it all. A few references to friedens moaning lies and that’s about it. A stark contrast to when malcayman got snarky on Shorten.

  24. Walrus permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:00 pm

    Yes it’s a coincidence. It’s a conspiracy.

    Probably Murdoch inspired

    Everything has a back story in your World

  25. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:18 pm

    SA is now going to spend $500M on a new gas fired power station. And anybody with a brain knows when the govt builds something it will cost double that because the Unions will be rorting.

    I have a better idea. Why not upgrade a coal fired power station for i guess $50M, save the jobs of 250 coal miners and save the state some money. However we cannot do that because Weatherill did this

    https://climatism.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/playford-coal-station-blowup-jobs1.jpeg?w=575&h=324

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2017 10:24 pm

    How is the Spycatcher case relevant?

    Wasn’t it a legal argument about whether an application for a suppression order by the Thatcher government would be granted on Australia?

    That was an example of the rule of law.

  27. March 17, 2017 7:40 am

    Atlassian hooking-up the Tesla and canoeland battery deal on Twitter has become world-wide news and shown on bbc, pbs, france24, aljazeera and more, and makes the canoeland premier look pretty good, especially after pounding coal powered teabag-josh. The best the teabags can come-up with is sending talkbull without pants to the top of Mount-Snowy on all-fours to `present` himself to the world. Not satisfied with their success so far, they also send teabag-josh to reportland without pants to `present` himself to the viewers. While teabag-josh makes claims that clowntown will do snowy-bullshit and `force` states to as well, or with or without states, Leigh eventually tells teabag-josh that boltsville owns about 1/4 of `snowy`, clowntown owns about 12% and jonestown owns well over half. And as all teabags know, the `minor` shareholder can`t really force the majority to do much at all.

    # ,, l hope the canoeland battery install happens, and works successfully. lt might inspire other states to ditch the clowntown fools and go battery themselves.

    # ,, On `gas`, the west-coast retains 15%-for `local` use.

  28. Snowy`Scam`Teabag permalink
    March 17, 2017 8:36 am

    clowntown(13%), jonesland(58%), blotsland(29%)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowy_Hydro_Limited

    # ,, so, utter bullshit from the zombies?

    ,

    Everybodys 2nd favorite Tweet! (-:

  29. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 8:55 am

    Everything has a back story in your World

    Yes, and do you know where I got those back stories from. The reports into the incidence that found a massive failure on the part of the regulator, and massive, “unexplained” freak weather events that brought down major portions of infrastructure that were never designed to withstand that sort of force.

    Why not upgrade a coal fired power station

    Because coal fired gas plants are not economically viable. Which is why Playford was closed. By the Private operators, not the state Government as you keep implying. Same as in Victoria

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2017 10:18 am

    So now its a competition … FFS!

    Malcolm Turnbull has used his expansion plans for the Snowy Hydro to try to outdo South Australia on battery storage, saying it would provide 20 times the capacity of the battery system proposed by the premier, Jay Weatherill.

    At least it took the Centrelink fiasco off the front page!

  31. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 10:26 am

    He also said the NBN would be cheaper and sooner

    Well, it turned out more expensive, later, and slower, as it was designed to be

    What kind of damage could he do to the Snowy (has any journo asked him yet about the previous plans to flog it off?)

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2017 10:48 am

    Because coal fired gas plants are not economically viable. Which is why Playford was closed

    And the coal station explained why. They cannot compete with taxpayer funded wind and solar. Take away the govt subsidies and coal would kill renewables

    Well, it turned out more expensive, later, and slower, as it was designed to be

    How do you know? Only 100,000 premises were connected to FTTP when Labor lost office. Only 12 million premises to go. FTTP would never be finished and would bankrupt the country.

  33. March 17, 2017 10:51 am

    Twitcher

    ,

    ,

    ,

  34. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 11:48 am

    Take away the govt subsidies and coal would kill renewables

    I’ve mentioned before the subsidies received by the coal industry. It’s just a reality even the energy companies can understand

    How do you know?

    Experts in the field ALL agree. I’ll go with them, rather than a pollie

  35. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 4:52 pm

    Jay Weatherill’s public boilover with Canberra marked a line in the sand a year out from the 2018 election, writes Tom Richardson. And, once again, the Liberals – both state and federal – have been outmanoeuvred by the SA Premier’s political gamesmanship.

    http://indaily.com.au/opinion/2017/03/17/richardson-a-new-game-jay-weatherills-rules/

    Yep, he’s got them chasing their arses. Of course, most of the media can’t work out why they are (or for many, even if they are)

    But malcayman got schooled by li’l Jay this week

    Malcolm Turnbull just realised he’s left holding a $2 billion bill for the Snowy Hydro plan
    Read more at https://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbull-just-realised-hes-left-holding-2-billion-bill-for-the-snowy-hydro-plan-2017-3#QlIR3Lrf4fBABObu.99

  36. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2017 6:14 pm

  37. Divvie Vestment Environment permalink
    March 17, 2017 7:35 pm

    (Probably Greens.

    Depends on how one ‘lawfully’ (re)defines building work, ancillary sites, unlawful picketing, unlawfulness generally, and appropriate penalties, amongst the fineprint, one almost might suppose.

    Then again, presumably, Andrew Wilkie’s initial concerns…

    …contra/pro other preliminary musings…

    “Australia’s longest serving federal resources minister says there are concrete proposals that can come out of today’s meeting of energy bosses. Ian Macfarlane, who’s now the chief executive of the Queensland Resources Council, says the looming gas shortage is a political failure. He says the finger pointing must stop though, and suggests solutions such as cargo swaps, more gas exploration, and protecting companies from protesters.”

    …also have been solidly addressed in this week’s ‘agreement’, referenced by sundry governmental spruikspersons, including Energy Minister Frydenberg and Water Minister Joyce, and since (re)presented to select ‘social licensors’, for formal and substantive scrutinies and/or ratifications of said renewed agreeable terms, conditionalities, warranties, undertakings, enforceabilities, etcetera, if any?)

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 17, 2017 8:43 pm

    I’ve mentioned before the subsidies received by the coal industry. It’s just a reality even the energy companies can understand

    The govt get billions of more in revenue than any subsidies coal mining companies may get. At the moment renewables except for hydro appears to be highly govt subsidised. That is OK. If CO2 will kill the planet we should be subsidising renewables

  39. March 18, 2017 8:59 am

    Australia is poised for widespread political instability as more than one in four voters flee the two-party system, political analysts say.

    Disgust and disappointment with major parties is approaching historic levels as Australians follow British and Americans voters and reject new age politics.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/politics-at-tipping-point-as-one-in-four-voters-flee-labor-and-the-coalition-20170317-gv0a25.html

    Is power flowing Labor’s way? – watch as government ebbs and flows between Labor and the Coalition in the years since world war two.

    A major realignment of political fault lines looms and if Europe and America are any indications, Australian politics could revert to protectionism versus free trade.

    Previously, a 25 per cent primary vote for non-governing parties has been a red warning light for major Australian political parties.

    In the 2016 federal election, the warning light started blinking deep amber, with a primary vote of 23 per cent for the minor parties in the House of Representatives.

    Now, opinion poll after poll point to the vote for the minor parties breaching the 25 per cent tipping point at the next federal election due in 2019.

    Each was followed by massive political dislocation with political fault lines shifting and major parties crashing to oblivion, rising out of the ashes or embracing platforms espoused by new minor parties.

    #SNIP

    “Oligarchies have formed around the western world because there are these permanent political classes that cannot be dislodged via elections. This class includes the major political parties, the taxpayer funded media, much of the academia, the bureaucracy, and many large corporations. Many people feel they just don’t get a say any more,” he said.

    “In the case of Brexit, voters were fed up with the left wing political establishment which cared more about attending cocktail parties in Brussels than addressing real and immediate issues at home.”

    # ,, both paras, told`ya so!

    “The gendered traffic lights in Melbourne is a small but telling example. Bureaucrats were more concerned with politically correct virtue signalling to make themselves feel good rather than fixing real problems people face every day, like traffic congestion and crime.”

    # ,, watch out teabags, here comes the rustbelt (-: (-: (-: (-:

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2017 9:10 am

    tbagz,

    That last full para reminded me of the Brisbane City Council’s recent ratepayer funded exercise … replaced all the local street signs – that were quite serviceable – with new ones, the difference? They now have a black and white BCC logo on them!!!!

    Waste …

  41. March 18, 2017 9:28 am

    When you start the left and lefty accusations, despite my(#hate-both) being one of the people that actually attacks both sides, you justified my(#prove-our) comment.

    # ,, l know shane, our in-house game-of-droners hadn`t worked that out yet (-:

  42. March 18, 2017 9:39 am

    black,,,,and white BCC logo on them,,,,

    # ,, bananatown is copying boltsville and jonestown waste teebz (sorry to hear), and they probably copied some poverty stricken wrecked city in teh-usa rustbelt. Folks without enough work/cash to live properly can at least feel better looking at colored/logo-ed street signs. They are probably being rolled-out in holden-hill and geelong as we speak.

  43. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2017 11:36 am

    The govt get billions of more in revenue than any subsidies car manufacturing companies may get

  44. Logo Therapy permalink
    March 18, 2017 11:38 am

    (Leftie academics are most worrisome, indeed; apparently, they sometimes even think they notice if and when budget bullets naturally, nay, compassionately, are preferred over budget butter, if and when publicised policy is (being) made on the (inside-)run, if and when birefringence is (being) diligently deployed to deftly disguise lying ayes; we, the righteous, we, the pre- and post-political, we, the first and the last of the free, must resist* the leftist long march through the instachooseshuns!)

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2017 1:36 pm

    The govt get billions of more in revenue than any subsidies car manufacturing companies may get

    Why don;t you admit the car industry was dead. Telling lies helps nobody. Local car sales went from 25% of the market to only 10% under Labor. It was dead when the Coalition won govt.

    And for the one millionth time the Coalition continued the car subsides which Labor legislated.

  46. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2017 1:44 pm

    It was dead when the Coalition won govt.

    Then why did hockey have to tell them to FO?

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2017 2:53 pm

    I think we may have had this conversation before. Hockey said what was legislated was all they were going to get.

    One thing i have learned from these blogs is that ALP supporters do not care about people. In fact the ALP destroys the lives of people. If Howard was in power we would still have a car industry.

    This is what the ALP does best

    https://climatism.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/playford-coal-station-blowup-jobs1.jpeg?w=575&h=324

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2017 3:12 pm

    If Howard was in power we would still have a car industry.

    What’s the difference between moron, idiot and imbecile again?

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2017 3:20 pm

    Also the ALP locked up 50,000 people from 2007-2013. Because that is what socialists do.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

  50. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2017 5:59 pm

    What’s the difference between moron, idiot and imbecile again?

    It’s pretty all encompassing in nils case 😉

  51. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2017 6:09 pm

    Is this called “poking the bare”?

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2017 7:02 pm

    Couldnt make it any simpler?

    In 1996 unemployment was at 8%. In 2007 unemployment was at 4%.

    The ALP does not care about people

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2017 11:17 pm

    In 2007 unemployment was at 4%.

    Do you think that year has any economic significance, neel?

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 19, 2017 10:02 am

    The GFC is over. Why hasn’t the unemployment rate gone back to 4% and the budget back in surplus?

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2017 10:16 am

    neel … here’s a clue … BOOM!

  56. Tom R permalink
    March 19, 2017 11:27 am

    BOOM!

    you spelt ‘tabot’ ……………… right 😉

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 19, 2017 12:24 pm

  58. Tom R permalink
    March 19, 2017 1:06 pm

    Great Barrier Reef tourism headed for tough times as coral bleaching worsens

    http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/bleaching-is-a-real-bitch-great-barrier-reef-tourism-headed-for-tough-times-20170317-gv0y2v.html

    reminds me of a certain landscaper who liked to masquerade as a scientist lol [sob]

  59. Tom R permalink
    March 19, 2017 1:11 pm

    I can’t watch insiders any more ao. I can’t barely watch any abc (or any msm, they are lost)

    eg

  60. March 19, 2017 1:33 pm

    (Logo`s? Or Lo`goners?

    in the 1840s to justify the war with Mexico and it was also used to divide half of Oregon with the United Kingdom. But manifest destiny always limped along because of its internal limitations and the issue of slavery

    With all these teabags claiming to be different flavored. Oligarchy, Aristocracy, Military junta, Plutocracy, Stratocracy, Timocracy, Theocracy, Kritarchy, Particracy, Technocracy, Autocracy, Despotism, Illiberal democracy, Semi-authoritarian, Dictatorship!

    How will we ever really be able to choose the better tyrant, when one teabag

    ,,,,expansion of democracy was largely limited to Americans of European descent, and voting rights were extended to adult white males only. There was little or no progress (and in some cases regression) for the rights of African-Americans and Native Americans,,,,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonian_democracy

    Looks much like the next teabag.

    ,,,,only two states, Vermont and Kentucky, had established universal white male suffrage by abolishing property requirements,,,,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffersonian_democracy

    No amount of therapy will help us.)

  61. March 19, 2017 2:01 pm

    smh,,,,Oligarchies have formed around the western world because there are these permanent political classes that cannot be dislodged via elections. This class includes the major political parties,,,,

    ,,,,the taxpayer funded media,,,,

    # ,, CORRECTION, the smh (my post above) is omitting the cross pollination of teh-usa braying `shareholder` owned media, that either owns shareholdings in `unsavory` other companies, or, IS owned by `unsavory` companies (during george-w era).

    # ,, `unsavory`, being missile, (boeing/ lockheed) weapons, oil/fuel (exxon) and others that made-up war-profiteers, no wonder braying media were a cheer-squad huh?

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2017 2:46 pm

    ASTOUNDING … doesn’t work for Trump … why would Malfunction TurnAbbott think it would work for him? Oh, wait!

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2017 2:55 pm

    … reminds me of a certain landscaper who liked to masquerade as a scientist lol [sob]

    Reminds me of a “boatie” who had “seen” the Barrier Reef himself and there was no problems at all in his scientific assessment … an hour snorkelling I think.

    Came from Melbourne too – if memory serves …

  64. Tom R permalink
    March 19, 2017 4:21 pm

    This has summed it up perfectly about leak and the lolstralian

    Bill Leak was not brave. There is nothing brave about the persecution of minorities. There is nothing brave about tracing clichés. Leak became a martyr for free speech but in reality he was a martyr for the right to be wrong. His was the freedom of a coward.

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2017/03/18/the-freedom-coward/14897556004364

  65. Tom R permalink
    March 19, 2017 4:21 pm

    an hour snorkelling I think.

    Yea, that’s the one I was thinking of, ran away in a huff a while ago.

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 19, 2017 7:09 pm

    Looks like this AGW scam is costing Victorians a lot of money. Victorians could have all been given a rainwater plant much cheaper than the cost of this desal plant.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-desal-deal-8m-bill-for-annual-minimum-water-order/news-story/001a98adb6e79358185ccfc06f9329de

    VICTORIANS will be paying for ­desalinated water every year even if dams are full, under a secret plan to introduce a new minimum order.

    The first water from the multi-­billion-dollar Wonthaggi desal plant is set to flow as early as today, after a power failure is fixed and operator Aquasure completes preliminary tests to deliver 50 gigalitres the Andrews Government ordered last year.

    Apparently it was finished in 2012 and has never been used. Total cost over 20 years is greater than $20B

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2017 7:51 pm

    Yea, that’s the one I was thinking of, ran away in a huff a while ago.

    Mmmm … pretty typical … if you can’t cope with real facts, that trump (sorry, couldn’t help myself) Liberal Fake Facts … they just fuck off … or just blame someone else, I’m reliably informed.

    You may have been thinking of the, rockshifter – who couldn’t possibly snorkel (or schnorchel – as my Pommie cousin corrected me) … you have to breathe and swim at the same time …

    Those were the days !

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2017 11:59 pm

    The last major coal power plant in Beijing has ceased operations, making the Chinese capital the first city in the country to have all its power plants fuelled by clean energy.

    Do you ever get the feeling that Australia is in reverse these days ———– and speeding backwards!

  69. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 12:33 am

    Do you ever get the feeling that Australia is in reverse these days ———– and speeding backwards!

    Not really. I tracked down the article. It also said this

    The city promised to shut its four coal-fired power plants between 2013 and 2017 and build four plants fuelled by natural gas. Three of these gas plants have already been built and are operational.

    So they are replacing coal with gas. And gas produces CO2 when burned just like coal. And furthermore

    Despite this symbolic shutdown, the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post daily reported on Sunday that the city, which has over 30 million inhabitants, cannot produce enough electricity to meet its own energy demand.

    Beijing is therefore dependent on supply from coal-fired power plants in the neighbouring provinces of Hebei and Inner Mongolia, where environmental regulations are not enforced so strictly.

  70. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2017 6:07 am

    Your problem nil (as it is for many Australians) is the source of your information.

    It may well be true that power is now imported.

    It is also true that power was imported before (if this is the case, your info is from ltdnews pamphlette)

    The facilities will be replaced by four gas-fired stations with capacity to supply 2.6 times more electricity than the coal plants.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/beijing-to-close-all-major-coal-power-plants-to-curb-pollution

    And as for your stupid about C02 “just like coal”

    “Most pollutants come from burning coal, so the closure will have a clear impact to reduce emissions,” Tian said. “The replacement with natural gas will be much cleaner with less pollution, though with a bit higher cost.”

    Gas burns about 50% cleaner than coal fyi

    Not perfect but, as scientists agree, the most economical gap fill measure on our way to total renewable coverage (which we would be had yabot not destroyed all our investment drivers in those technologies.)

  71. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2017 6:24 am

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 7:23 am

    TomR

    TB’s quote was deceitful which i guess is why he didn’t give the link. Beijing is converting from one fossil fuel (coal) to another fossil fuel (gas).

  73. March 20, 2017 8:10 am

    While talkbull V canoeland, atlassian and tesla has been going on.

    l have been watching this since `about` nov/dec 2016.

    l saw this on pbs newshour/sbs at which `deniers` have screamed `fraud` and frighten pbs, which pulled their original video of the Petros-Zografos generator from site.

    The reddit-physics nerd-blog seem to have found several other science experiments that prove the greek dude correct. lt is very interesting.

    Of course l can`t possibly resist this one, offgrid-energy, `and` frightend braying media. (-: l`m going to cack myself laughing if the reddit nerd-blog announces the greek dude has started generator production before talkbull ends his blathering on $2-bill snowy mangling.

    (Petros Zografos is the greek dude.)

  74. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2017 9:21 am

    Beijing is converting from one fossil fuel (coal) to another fossil fuel (gas).

    (gas) (which produces half the C02 emissions as coal)

    And we are ???

    running around parliament with lumps of coal and blaming transmission line being blown over by unprecedented winds on .. wind turbines 😯

    The stoopid is strong within our cuntry

  75. March 20, 2017 9:43 am

    When a prime minister goes on television and promises he will provide `leadership`, as Malcolm Turnbull did on Wednesday over the supposed crisis in gas and other energy supplies,

    you have to wonder what he thinks his job is if not to lead. All the time.

    The PM has singled out Victoria for its poor decision making(#guffaw) on energy, a day after the SA government announced an ambitious power plan, that Turnbull has also criticised. Courtesy ABC News 24.

    Yet as voters quickly realised in the months after Turnbull replaced Tony Abbott in the nation’s top job, he does not have it in him.

    # ,, ha-ha teabags, even the feminista are no longer swooning for talkbull

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 10:02 am

    (gas) (which produces half the C02 emissions as coal)

    I got the impression from reading the article that the Chinese are worried about the particulates from coal rather than the CO2

    The stoopid is strong within our cuntry

    Certainly is, especially in SA. They blow up a coal fired power plant destroying the jobs of 250 coal workers and then announce they are going to build a gas fired power plant for $500M. They could have upgraded the coal plant for 10x less.

  77. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2017 10:22 am

    They blow up a coal fired power plant

    Do you realise how many plants have been ‘decommissioned’ recently?

    Do you realise that SA HAD a plan for power, before yabot destroyed investment in renewables, and the libs destroyed the national energy market (they seem to specialise in destroying Labor creations)

    fer the teabag (stick to science, not dreams)

    http://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.5.8201/full/

  78. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2017 10:33 am

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2017 10:36 am

    TB’s quote was deceitful which i guess is why he didn’t give the link.

    All you have to do is copy the quote – calling me deceitful won’t make you any more intelligent … just demonstrate your continual stupidity and lack of knowledge …

    As demonstrated by this … deceitful comment …? Beijing is converting from one fossil fuel (coal) to another fossil fuel (gas).

    Because you had just been informed by TR that natural gas emits far less Co2 than coal (fairly common knowledge these days) … and chose to ignore TR’s comment (to get spiteful with me) or simply didn’t comprehend the data …

  80. March 20, 2017 10:36 am

    Ousted West Australian Nationals leader Brendon Grylls has warned the carnage of the WA state election is far from over for the Liberal Party.

    The former member for the Pilbara appeared on 6PR’s Morning Program on Friday morning to discuss being ‘turfed out’ of government by disenchanted voters.

    Mr Grylls was one of seven ministers from the Barnett Government’s cabinet to lose their seat, after he conceded defeat in the Pilbara to Labor candidate Kevin Michel on Tuesday.

    He told Gareth Parker that the fall-out from the state election was only just beginning.

    “Even now we’re seeing Malcolm Turnbull and others suggest that this might be a bit hairy for the Federal Liberals in Western Australia,” he said.

    “Abso-bloody-lutely it will be a bit hairy. They reckoned the public were waiting with baseball bats for Colin Barnett and the Nationals, and I think they’re getting something a bit more serious for the next Federal election.”

    #teabagPanic

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2017 10:54 am

    like I said tbagz … people want to put the brake on, depress the clutch and force the pollies into!

    Liberals are not creative by habit or ideology – let’s face it most of them rely on a religious fairytale to get through life … not science, knowledge, innovation and leadership …

    I’ll check the Greek bloke out but after seeing so many like this over the years either de-bunked or “disappeared”??? Open mind.

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 10:56 am

    Because you had just been informed by TR that natural gas emits far less Co2 than coal (fairly common knowledge these days)

    Is that the reason China is doing it? I get the impression that coal produces more particulates than natural gas. I doubt if CO2 has anything to do with it.

    Most people reading your post would think China is converting to renewables. I doubt a greenie would call natural gas “clean energy”

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2017 11:01 am

    The stoopid is strong within our cuntry

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2017 11:10 am

    Union officials who carve out pay deals laced with a “corrupting intent” would be thrown behind bars under new laws proposed by the Turnbull government.

    The prime minister wants employers or union officials found making secret payments other than for clearly legitimate purposes jailed for up to two years.

    I agree … it would follow that a Royal Commission into banking and the financial sector should reach similar conclusions concerning dodgy deals in insurance, loans, investment and superannuation … in many cases far more money is stolen from clients and members … doing much more damage … jail ’em all I reckon … dodgy pollies too!

  85. Walrus permalink
    March 20, 2017 12:55 pm

    Listen up you pack of useless arseholes

    It’s Harmony Day tomorrow

    http://www.harmony.gov.au/

  86. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2017 1:19 pm

    It’s already unraveling for poor widdle malcolm

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2017 1:54 pm

    mmm … good AFR opinion piece … the pumping bit always intrigued me … the energy used would always be high … never did make sense … I could just see the engineers at the PNG Elcom reading that story (PNG Elcom generate almost 100% of all power from hydro) … the eyes would be rolling …

    Storage batteries make far more sense … than boosted gravity storage … one is passive (nearly all the energy is available) the other is simply energy exchange with massive losses (30%) …

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 2:02 pm

    … the pumping bit always intrigued me … the energy used would always be high … never did make sense

    Me to. And i am sure Snowy Hydro do it all the time. Makes no sense but i saw a statement where Snowy Hydro pump water uphill using off-peak electricity which is cheap and then flow it back down during high peak times where electricity is more expensive. Apparently it works.

  89. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2017 2:24 pm

    Yes, the idea is that use excess energy to pump it up, in order for it to be used later when needed.

    Unfortunately, excess energy is in short supply. Fine idea if we have it.

    And the return is something like losing 30% of the energy

    Far better for now to simply invest in batteries, same principal, except you use 100% of stored energy, instead of losing 30% pumping it back up.

    A good idea for the long term perhaps, but will do nothing until our energy problems are attended to.

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 3:28 pm

    Unfortunately, excess energy is in short supply. Fine idea if we have it.

    Since in NSW we have not blown up our coal fired power stations i think we do. I saw that story on a blog post and the tone of the post was that Snowy Hydro do it all the time.

    They pump the water uphill at night time using off-peak electricity and then flow it downhill during peak times to generate peak electricity which they charge a lot more for. If the peak electricity cost is 5X off-peak electricity it may not cost anything. In fact Snowy Hydro may make a profit.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 20, 2017 5:09 pm

    It’s a pity Toilet Boss isn’t here to enjoy the misery of the Australian cricket team!

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2017 5:54 pm

    It’s a pity Toilet Boss isn’t here to enjoy the misery of the Australian cricket team!

    “… enjoy the misery …” shakes head … is that like – “celebrating heart attacks” … or “seeing the wonder in a word dribble”?

    Its the poor quality of games played here that keep, HD, away … more’s the pity …

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2017 5:59 pm

    keep up nil

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 9:42 pm

    keep up nil

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-31/japan-coal-power-plants/8224302

    The Japanese government is moving ahead with its plans to build up to 45 new coal fired power stations.

    Media player: “Space” to play, “M” to mute, “left” and “right” to seek.
    Audio: Japan plans 45 new high-energy, low-emissions HELE coal fired power plants. (ABC News)

    The power plants will utilise high energy, low emissions (HELE) technology that use high-quality black coal.

    Japan is the largest overseas market for Australian coal producers, taking more than a third of all exports.

  95. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2017 9:59 pm

    The Japanese government

    In all seriousness, what in the seven shades does that have to do with renewables (and a mighty effort by the AEMO, a complete opposite to their treatment of SA) saving NSW from blackouts?

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 10:41 pm

    I was not commenting on your link.

    You people keep saying coal is dead but Japan says it is not. I am not sure why you posted that link.

    I has previously been commenting on the weird idea of using electricity to pump water uphill and then generate electricity when it comes back down. It made no sense because pumping water uphill would be energy intensive.

    But it you do it at night time using cheap off-peak coal fired electricity and then generate hydro electricity during peak times it may make sense. I think i read somewhere that Snowy Hydro does that all the time.

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2017 10:51 pm

    … low emissions (HELE) technology that use high-quality black coal.

    More propaganda from the Mining Resources Council based in Qld where most of the black coal is … black just burns hotter and better and quicker than brown coal (NSW) and is used mainly in furnaces …

    Once and for all “clean coal” does not exist … ’tis but a myth …

    I think i read somewhere that Snowy Hydro does that all the time.

    And you asked me for a link for a quote! FFS it just get worse!

    I think I read that Russia is going to send all its scientist here next year.

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 20, 2017 11:08 pm

    Once and for all “clean coal” does not exist … ’tis but a myth …

    Well if you say CO2 is a pollutant which is what i think you are trying to say you would have to say clean natural gas does not exist which is what Beijing is converting to.

    And you asked me for a link for a quote!

    This is a blog where suggestions can be made. Can you provide a better suggestion than the one i have given as to why Snowy Hydro would pump water uphill using electricity and then generate less electricity on the way back down?

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 20, 2017 11:39 pm

  100. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 21, 2017 9:15 am

    Imagine if our arsehole politicians had not privatised the CBA what we could have achieved for everyone including First Home Buyers.

    Imagine the extra income being pumped through the rest of the community rather than into the banks coffers.

    http://www.mortgagebusiness.com.au/breaking-news/10920-disgraceful-asic-boss-slams-mortgage-market?utm_source=MortgageBusiness&utm_campaign=21_03_17&utm_medium=email&utm_content=1

  101. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2017 9:27 am

    “ABC now suffers “bias fear””

    God only knows why AO, they are one of the biggest spruikers for the coalition.

  102. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2017 9:57 am

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2017 10:36 am

    Can you provide a better suggestion than the one i have given …

    Read back up the thread … I already have …

    FYI I was involved with coal seam gas extraction development in the 1990’s … so yeah I know a bit about it.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2017 10:45 am

    An AUS PM with offshore accounts stands next to a minister who failed to declare a $1.4m property, to rebuke “rorting”

    Hypocrisy writ large … they also defend the banking, insurance and financial industry the biggest thieves in the country … (and exempt from the Competition & Consumers Act 2010)

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2017 10:47 am

    Real Aussies waking up?

    the new opinion survey puts Labor well ahead of the Coalition on a two-party preferred basis, 55% to 45%.

    The latest poll also charts a 16% increase in voter perceptions that the Liberals are “divided” since that question was last asked in June 2016, just before last year’s federal election.

    Voters are also more inclined than they were last June to characterise the government as being “too close to the big corporate and financial interests”, “out of touch with ordinary people” and “will promise to do anything to win votes”.

    (For neel)

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/21/labor-stretches-to-10-point-lead-over-coalition-guardian-essential-poll-finds

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 21, 2017 10:53 am

    Is this what you are talking about?

    I could just see the engineers at the PNG Elcom reading that story (PNG Elcom generate almost 100% of all power from hydro) … the eyes would be rolling …

    Storage batteries make far more sense … than boosted gravity storage … one is passive (nearly all the energy is available) the other is simply energy exchange with massive losses (30%) …

    No-one would do boosted battery storage if what you say is true unless they could pump it up using cheap electricity and then flow it back down and generate electricity you could sell at a higher price which is what i suspect Snowy Hydro does

  107. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2017 11:37 am

    unless they could pump it up using cheap electricity and then flow it back down and generate electricity </i.

    Just few points. With battery, there is no "flowing up" (which uses more energy than it produces)

    There is no 'flowing down". The energy is simply stored, ready to be used whenever.

    And finally, batteries don't "generate" electricity, they just store already generated energy

    [Pedant alert] (probably should have put that at the top 🙂 )

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 21, 2017 12:21 pm

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 21, 2017 1:31 pm

    Real Aussies waking up?

    I can here those people smuggler engines warming up. Apparently we spent $12B housing the asylum seekers Rudd/Gillard locked up from 2007-2013 and $3B/year since.

    So we re up to ~$20B cost for a problem Howard had solved.

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 21, 2017 1:57 pm

    I can hear the bigots warming up.

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 21, 2017 3:25 pm

    I can hear the bigots warming up.

    Why is wanting to control your borders being bigoted? For some reason lefties do not like borders. And we have spent $20B because the ALP could not do border control properly. There are still 30,000 people in detention costing $3B/year. What a waste of money.

    But looks like Australia wants to drop control of our borders again by electing Labor.

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 21, 2017 3:31 pm

    Coalition’s 18C overhaul a hollow and operatic outbreak of gesture politics
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/21/coalitions-18c-overhaul-a-hollow-and-operatic-outbreak-of-gesture-politics?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …For months, the Australian has run a full-tilt campaign on 18C that looks, quite frankly, borderline unhinged to anyone outside Holt Street.

    Somewhat idiosyncratically for a news outlet, the Australian’s campaign elevates and champions one form of freedom while ignoring other curbs on free speech that are actually meaningful if you want to expose wrongdoing by powerful people, which is supposed to be the bread and butter of journalism…

    …To cut a long story short, a freedom debate, if that’s what we are having, should actually be about all restrictions on speech, not just the ones that a certain section of society find inconvenient…

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