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The Turnbull Govt: The New Face of Racism.

March 21, 2017

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The Turnbull Government, you know the one that dismissed marriage equality as a ‘peripheral issue’ has been obsessing over its apparent inability to slander black people and so today on Harmony Day has approved changes to the Racial Discrimination Act effectively watering down protections against racial minorities.

In a peculiar premonition of perhaps his own political fortunes [what’s left of] Malcolm Turnbull said that the language in a section of the Racial Discrimination Act had ‘lost credibility and will be replaced.’

Amendments to section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act will include the removal of the offences ‘insult’, ‘humiliate’, and ‘offend’ to be replaced by the higher test of ‘harass’.

The test to be applied in complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission will be the standard of a ‘reasonable member of the community’.

The commission will also have greater powers to filter complaints which are deemed to be frivolous or without merit and those who are the subject of the complaint will get an early warning when a complaint is lodged.

‘We are defending Australians from racial vilification by replacing language which has been discredited and … has lost the credibility that a good law needs,’ Mr Turnbull said.

‘We need to restore confidence to the Racial Discrimination Act and to the Human Rights Commission’s administration of it.’

The changes struck a balance between protecting people from racial vilification while defending and enabling free speech, and had support across the political spectrum, he said

Opposition leader Bill Shorten says consequences of this amendment will mean it is ‘easier for people to be insulted or humiliate on the basis of their race.’

‘This is not leadership, this is not what Australia is about,’ he said.

‘This isn’t about free speech; it’s about the prime minister appeasing his party.’

How much more will Australia throw overboard to save one man’s job?’

‘Labor will never support the right to be a bigot.’

The proposed amendment faces obstacles in the senate, with crossbencher Nick Xenophon saying his party ‘does not support the changes.’

‘The Nick Xenophon team does not support the Government’s proposed changes to section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.’

‘But we do support sensible changes to the process involved in the handling of such complaints so the process does not become a punishment.’

Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act currently makes it an offence to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate an individual or people based on race.

Liberal Senator James Paterson says he’s ‘very happy’ with the updates to the law.

‘I’m very happy but we must recognise it is a compromise.

‘The administration of 18C, up until now, has been woefully inadequate,’ he told Sky News.

The laws will be taken first to the Senate where they will be introduced by Attorney-General George Brandis.

 

 

 

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  1. March 21, 2017 6:53 pm

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  2. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2017 7:10 pm

    Well! Farnham Wal, will be disappointed! He “warned” us that today was Harmony Day!

    The TurnAbbott government – full of sensitivity, compassion, empathy and fkn lousy political timing …

    … nice foto of Mal the Bumbler and Brandis the Bigot!

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 21, 2017 8:27 pm

    This is a big waste of very limited political capital by Turnbull.
    But there is a costly legal and public service industry promoting litigation. I’m not in favour of make work programs for lawyers.
    I really think we’ve lost the plot when a cartoon attracts the opprobrium of Leak’s
    Charlie Hebdo would have been closed here

  4. March 21, 2017 8:34 pm

    “I think the message this sends is that certain sections of privileged persons want further privilege to insult, be racist, or prejudiced to others who are generally defenceless,” Little said. “To me that is embarrassing for a nation that is supposedly built on principles of a fair go and equality.”

    ABSA-FUCKN-LUTLEY!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/21/malcolm-turnbull-tries-to-contain-backlash-from-indigenous-and-ethnic-groups-over-18c?CMP=soc_568

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 21, 2017 11:04 pm

  6. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 6:18 am

    by replacing language which has been discredited

    Perhaps they should have read the actual law first

    If those terms are replaced with ‘harass’, then THAT term will need to be legally defined all over.

    Of course, if you start at the dictionary meaning “to annoy persistently”, does that mean that you can abuse someone a few times, just not ‘persistently’?

    And on Harmony day of all days. His political radar is so attuned isn’t it.

    Well, today they get to bash Unions again. That should be fun (until someone mentions ‘penalty rates’)

  7. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 6:20 am

    re the photo at the top of the page. They look more like they belong in a balcony abusing a frog and his entourage.

  8. March 22, 2017 7:46 am

    Talkbull is proudly displaying his leadership-void within his team; to the nation, again.

    Bananasby is absolutely correct (for a change) when he has said his voters DO-NOT pull him aside to tell him how `pressing` it is to them; that 18c-d gets mangled.

    Talkbull is trying placate the mr-rabbit fanclub within team-zombie; so is pissing what little public `credibility` he still possesses against da-wall; by trying to mangle 18c-d for them.

    Let`s face it tho, if bernie-keane (crikey) or barrie-cassidy (my-abc) was the convicted-racist; the clowntown teabags would not give a flying fcuk about 18c-d.

    (on my abc, Lambie has just slammed talkbull +18c bullshit)

  9. March 22, 2017 8:44 am

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  10. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 9:35 am

    “Charlie Hebdo would have been closed here”

    Exactly !

    The QUT case shows that the process is the punishment. And all because some lazy public servant wanted to “try it on” for some sit down money. IIts simply Karma that such a vindictive complainant will now be left a bankrupt over it.

    Not to mention the stress that 18c placed on a certain cartoonist with the complaint subsequently withdrawn.

    At the very minimum the law should be changed to allow frivolous claims to be dismissed immediately with any costs to be borne by the complainant

  11. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 9:46 am

    Not to mention the stress that 18c placed on a certain cartoonist with the complaint subsequently withdrawn.

    You mean the one that dragged it on simply because he could. That dead one?

    Bill Leak could have ended 18C complaint earlier, says Gillian Triggs

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/28/bill-leak-could-have-ended-18c-complaint-earlier-says-gillian-triggs

    Of course, the section in there that shoots down your Charlie Hebdo whine is

    Section 18D of the Racial Discrimination Act specifies publication “done reasonably and in good faith” as a defence against a racial discrimination complaint under section 18C.

    Even dolt was allowed to keep running his racist argument about “too white to be black”. He just wasn’t allowed to lie about it, as he had done.

    I note he doesn’t run this argument anymore at all. He claims it’s because he isn’t allowed ‘free speech’. The reality is, he has no argument without lying

    Which, of course, is why they want it ‘amended’.

  12. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 9:47 am

  13. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 9:57 am

    “Bill Leak could have ended 18C complaint earlier, says Gillian Triggs”

    And you know that she was relying on him using the “good faith” defence which being the fuckwit she actually is claimed he hadn’t sought to rely on that. So she is either totally incompetent or a liar.

    Take your pick

  14. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 10:01 am

    If he was under such ‘stress’, why not end it early by … proving you have no case to answer?

    Why drag it out like he did?

  15. March 22, 2017 10:11 am

    Keeping in mind that jonestown `and` boltsville plod are `quietly` worried about the level of hand shooters floating around the public, via black market.

    Then keep in mind trashing 18c.

    ,,,,Not to mention the stress that 18c placed on a certain cartoonist,,,,

    ,,,,Charlie Hebdo would have been closed here,,,,

    #parramatta #lint.cafe

    # ,, are teabags `really` sure they are making a good argument?

  16. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 10:45 am

    “Why drag it out like he did?”

    He didn’t. She withdrew the complaint

  17. March 22, 2017 11:14 am

    Hey teebz, braying media report that teh-usa and britannia won`t let passengers take lap-top computers (and-similar size-devices) into cabin, but must go in luggage `cargo` check-in.

    This is another episode of useless dumbfcuk media. Anybody that has seen `air-crash` knows aircraft have gone down due to fires started in cargo by batterys. No contact by braying media to ntsb, atsb and similar. Easy to predict another `air-crash-investigations` episode huh? (And Why-TF ntsb, atsb and rest NOT screaming their tits off.)

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    March 22, 2017 11:44 am

    Anyone actually at wheel in Canberra … ?

    ‘Cause if there is, they need to have their licence revoked … Australia is just parked in the middle of the road … going nowhere while the “crew” argue about shyte …

  19. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 11:49 am

    He didn’t. She withdrew the complaint

    He could have finished it, there and then.

    He didn’t.

    Instead, he let his mates do the bullying

    Woman behind Bill Leak cartoon complaint dropped charges due to ‘harassment’

    http://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2016/11/18/woman-behind-bill-leak-cartoon-complaint-dropped-charges-due-harassment

    Yea, poor widdle leak. What a crock.

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 22, 2017 11:52 am

    I have been out and about a number of times when some passerby has been speaking to their companion in their native tongue and some australian also overhearing this feels the need to yell “speak english” as if it is their god given right to determine who says what and how in this country. The non-english speaker hastily moves on in silence while the australian hero acts all offended by something that was NOT said to him, imagine if they had actually, deliberately, spoken to him! 🙄

  21. March 22, 2017 12:31 pm

    boo-of-teabag,,,,,,,,boardrooms know what they`re doing,,,,,,,,,,,fill the cargo hold with computers,,,,,,,,,wrap your computers in petrol-based polyester material,,,,,,,,,,,,,save the airline some petrol money,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,shortcut over the battle field,,,,,,,,,,they`re worth every penny,,,,,,,,

    The National Transportation Safety Board announced that it would dispatch an aviation investigator to assist the United Arab Emirates General Civil Aviation Authority

    On July 24, 2013, the GCAA released the final investigation report. The report indicated that the fire was caused by the autoignition of the contents of a cargo pallet, which contained “a significant number” of lithium type batteries and “other combustible materials”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6

    # ,, Asiana Airlines Flight 991 + South African Airways Flight 295 #yaaaay.boardrooms

  22. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 12:47 pm

    “Woman behind Bill Leak cartoon complaint dropped charges due to ‘harassment’……”

    LOL……………how did I know you would take that on

    She never presented any evidence of that ( did she go to the Police ?) and being another one after some sit down money what’s so surprising in her saying that anyway.

  23. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 12:53 pm

    And dont try and claim publication of her photo is harassment or “hacking” as she did. All newspapers do that. And just proves she’s too stupid to get her privacy settings correct

  24. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 1:16 pm

    another one after some sit down money

    You should know better. 18c isn’t a way of getting money.

    But, it’s pretty rich after you rabbitting on about poor widdle leak

  25. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 1:19 pm

    “You should know better. 18c isn’t a way of getting money.”

    And you should know that Cindy Prior demanded $5,000 from the QUT students for a guarantee not to pursue them.

    18c is a way of getting money. Prior wanted $250,000 in damages

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2017 1:36 pm

    Yep.

    Use the process to inflict some pain and then privately offer to settle.

    Is Tom R seriously suggesting that doesn’t happen?

  27. March 22, 2017 1:40 pm

    blubbering,,,,newspapers do that,,,,

    # ,, l haven`t checked team cheerers guardian link, but l will `deduce` that as both Leak and the convicted racist are part of the Limited-News stable of buffoons; `she` is being bullied, harassed, intimidated via the limited-news `press-pages`; and also being `pestered` (by the easily agitated trolls that hoover-up the bullshit on those press-pages;) on twitcher and fakebook platforms. The free-hate speech excuses peddled by the limited-news hate-speech factory is really a woeful way of a so-called `free-press` organization to behave; or `want` to behave. Just `what` is it that the limited-news trolls `want` to say, and to `whom`; that they `can-not` say now? Just how much of the convicted racists free-hate speech do you `really` believe is being `silenced`; with his own cable show; and unlimited column inches and blog provided by rupert? lt is no longer about qut; (if it ever was;) nor Leak now either; leaving only the convicted racist.

  28. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 1:43 pm

    “Is Tom R seriously suggesting that doesn’t happen?”

    Apparently……………..LOL

  29. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 1:50 pm

    “Even dolt was allowed to keep running his racist argument about “too white to be black”….”

    Yeah go figure

  30. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 1:57 pm

    Is Tom R seriously suggesting that doesn’t happen?

    Link

    Although, you’l have to show some evidence that in this case it did, else, it’s just another baseless slur

    Yeah go figure

    If it’s so easy, why has dolt shut up about it? The judge in his case specifically said, wtte “go for it”

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:02 pm

    18c isn’t a way of getting money.

    So what did you mean by that? Almost all conciliation and mediation processes will have private discussions about settlement including costs, financial consideration

  32. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:21 pm

    So what did you mean by that?

    There’s more money to be had simply suing for defamation.

    Those who took bolt to court could have made a mint through defamation.

    They chose to make a statement.

    Speaking of making statements, considering what the grubmint is trying to push through at the moment

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:22 pm

    I also see that the suggestion that CFMEU took industrial action due to workplace fatalities has been debunked
    ——–
    Just leaving Queensland, thankfully

  34. Re Conciliation And Mediation permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:24 pm

    (Use the process to inflict some pain and then privately offer to settle.

    ITT niggers and their supremacy labs, ‘ey?

    How’s that anniversary, the latest missed deadline since someone announced that the Tent Embassy should move on, going?)

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:25 pm

    Maybe, but defamation doesn’t effect the reputation the same way. An accusation of racism is particularly damaging.

    Mediation and conciliation is usually about money. It’s stupid or ignorant or incredibly naive to say otherwise

  36. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:29 pm

    I also see that the suggestion that CFMEU took industrial action due to workplace fatalities has been debunked

    I also didn’t see a link (again)

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:30 pm

    Later… 140 minutes to civilization

  38. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:30 pm

    metabagz?

  39. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 2:36 pm

    lol yomm, that’s some kind of ‘start’

    I don’t know about the ACTU secretary, but I’ve always said “Grocons part in their deaths’

    They are still held responsible (partly) for them. Yes, it’s not ‘Killing”.

    Not sure how that effects strike actions?

    (and yes, the CFMEU DO go on strikes for other things)

  40. March 22, 2017 2:40 pm

    l think if boo-melb goes`n checkz, might find the `group` of `too-white to-be-native for-blot` primary purpose was to force blot`n limited-news to post the `corrections` and remove (un)intentional errors about `them`n their family/s. To stop repeatedly inferring they were conning the `dreamtime` program. ETC ,, Result being, Limited-news ended-up having to `sanitize` blot columns`n blot-bog.

  41. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 3:37 pm

    “There’s more money to be had simply suing for defamation.”

    So now its “more money”.

    TomR backtracks again

  42. March 22, 2017 4:22 pm

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  43. March 22, 2017 4:41 pm

    No wonder the garden gnome fcuked off to nab.

  44. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 4:42 pm

    TomR backtracks again

    You’ll have to explain how, especially after you didn’t show any evidence to support your smear

  45. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 5:08 pm

    “You’ll have to explain how”

    You are now admitting some money can be made out of 18c. Like Prior extorting $5,000 from at least one of the students.

    Now you have dropped that and are saying more money can be made from defamation

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    March 22, 2017 7:24 pm

    Just leaving Queensland, thankfully

    And don’t come back!

    Go to hell! If you dislike paradise so much! 🙂

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    March 22, 2017 7:25 pm

    More of the same shyte I see … Farnham Wal’s back …

  48. March 22, 2017 7:56 pm

    “paradise”

    Yeah it’s paradise alright.

    Paradise for bogan redneck white trash…!!

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2017 8:36 pm

    If you have a phone number, I’ll give her a call next time I’m in Brisbane

  50. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 10:03 pm

    Well, that didn’t take long.

    Watch yer back AO

  51. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 10:08 pm

  52. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 10:16 pm

    “More of the same shyte I see … Farnham Wal’s back …”

    And more fucking moronic commentary from you .

    When did I say I would never return dickhead?

    Link ?

  53. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 10:18 pm

    Note “Never” you idiot

  54. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2017 10:28 pm

    When did I say I would never return dickhead?

    It was probably more of a hope than anything 😉

  55. Walrus permalink
    March 22, 2017 10:45 pm

    Yeah ya probably right 😀

    I’m pretty sure I just said “I’m outa here” when I took my temporary leave to OS and Canberra

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    March 22, 2017 11:38 pm

    See ya knew all along FW … LOL!

  57. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 23, 2017 7:02 am

    Any party or donation links to the LNP with this company? Smells very fishy!!!

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/company-digitally-transforming-centrelink-also-led-800-million-tax-office-bungle-20170321-gv3k4q.html

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 23, 2017 8:06 am

    Watch yer back AO

    It’s just a matter of time tomR, once the door is opened, this is where it’s unfair I believe, we should have the right to withhold our labour when conditions are threatened.

    …Gillian Triggs will give Hobart Oration, despite Telegraph attempts to shut down her speech to Tas audience…

    Why would anyone want to shut down her speech? She sure does get the RWNJ’s knickers in a twist doesn’t she? Where are the free speech warriors?

    How the free market failed Australia and priced us out of our own gas supply
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-20/ian-verrender-how-the-free-market-failed-australia/8368032

  59. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 9:02 am

    Why would anyone want to shut down her speech?

    I’m going to take that as a statement 😉

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7jNRMoUwAA-sM8.jpg:large

    As the Twit who Tweeted that said (but who is ;hidden’)

    What an absolute nonsense statistic. What’s the average when you include the vast majority of 18C cases, where the amount is $0.00?

    So much for the bogus claim that s18C doesn’t protect white people from racist abuse

  60. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 9:04 am

  61. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 9:05 am

    Better late than never Billy Boy.

    Or, will just be an ‘investigation’?

    Bill Shorten throws support behind federal ICAC following Sussan Ley scandal

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-throws-support-behind-federal-icac-following-sussan-ley-scandal-20170116-gts397.html

  62. shaneinqld permalink
    March 23, 2017 10:19 am

    ToM R

    Yes about time.

    The party that says it will make the law apply to their own as well as everyone else will face strong support form swinging voters.

    The party that says it will stop the rorts will win.

    The LNP now has a choice to make as well. Do they make their own members subject to the same scrutiny that they are imposing and demanding on unions and Centrelink beneficiaries or do they make wishy washy excuses to keep their snouts at the never ending flows of taxpayers money.

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2017 12:04 pm

    I really don’t give a crap where Triggs goes to promote herself.

    But the union apologists didn’t offer similar understanding to Dyson Heydon.

  64. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 1:04 pm

    But the union apologists didn’t offer similar understanding to Dyson Heydon.

    Heydon was going to appear a liberal fundraiser

    Triggs is going to appear at an environmental non-profit organisation?

    But I’ll bet you still don’t see the difference

  65. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 1:17 pm

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 23, 2017 1:36 pm

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2017 1:37 pm

    Yeah! The Bob Brown Foundation just couldn’t have anything to do with politics or political lobbying or grubby stuff like that.

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 23, 2017 1:49 pm

    It is hard to beat the ALP for corruption.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-two0EG0j-4J:www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/don-nardella-lived-in-a-caravan-park/news-story/39f304eabfdca893dae732e52df69a4f+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

    Victoria’s former deputy speaker Don Nardella says he lived in a caravan park since 2014 because his apartment in St Kilda was “not spacious enough”, an audit has found.

    A report by PwC tabled in parliament today showed that Mr Nardella claimed nearly $175,000 in secondary residence allowances over six years despite representing a Melbourne seat.

  69. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 4:10 pm

    Yeah! The Bob Brown Foundation just couldn’t have anything to do with politics or political lobbying or grubby stuff like that.

    Yes, but it is not a Political Party, is it?
    Even worst, it is not trying to raise money FOR a Political Party, is it?

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2017 4:26 pm

    Didn’t Heydon withdraw when he found out it was political?

    But obviously this has nothing to do with politics…

    Fighting for our rights – a ‘fair go Australia’
    “…a brave, inspiring and resilient champion of human rights. Gillian Triggs has defied the cruel political tide of modern Australian politics.” Bob Brown

    Tickets $50 / $25

  71. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 4:32 pm

    But obviously this has nothing to do with politics…

    Who said it did or didn’t dopey?

  72. Walrus permalink
    March 23, 2017 4:43 pm

    “Who said it did or didn’t dopey?”

    Dont look in a mirror dopey

    http://www.bobbrown.org.au/the_foundation

    Our Board

    Bob Brown – Environmentalist, Hobart

    Prue Cameron – Social Researcher, Melbourne

    Roland Browne – Solicitor, Hobart

    Mark Horstman – Journalist, Hobart

    Ben Oquist – Political Strategist, Canberra

    Sam East – Corporate Partnerships Executive, Hobart

    A non political organisation with a political strategist…..Mmmmmmmmmmmm

    Yeah nothing to see here………LOL

  73. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 4:49 pm

    wally, is it a Political Party, or isn’t it?

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2017 5:02 pm

    Is the Garfield Barwick Foundation a political party?

  75. Walrus permalink
    March 23, 2017 5:05 pm

    Getup is a charity and a political movement that just happens to actively campaign at polling booths on polling day

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2017 5:07 pm

    Nice to see Gillian Triggs supporting such an apolitical organisation !!

    The Sydney-based ‘Left Renewal’ group said to have set up as a splinter group within the NSW Greens looks like a hoax, former Greens leader Bob Brown said in Hobart today.

    “When no one will put their name to such a litany of anti-Greens policies, under the guise that it is a collective without individuals, you have to suspect the whole thing is a joke.”

    http://www.bobbrown.org.au/releases

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2017 5:10 pm

    No politics at all…

    oday, leaders of the Australian and Tasmanian environment movement including Bob Brown, Christine Milne, Peg Putt, Scott Jordan, Peter McGlone, Rob Blakers, Jenny Weber and Tasmanian Greens’ Leader and Forests’ spokesperson, Cassy O’Connor MP, and Tasmanian Greens Senator Nick McKim joined today to call on the Tasmanian Government ….

    “Wrong way, go back Will Hodgman,” Bob Brown said.

    “Will Hodgman is about to make a liar of Malcolm Turnbull …

  78. Ms Characterization permalink
    March 23, 2017 5:30 pm

    (Who said it did or didn’t dopey?

    Harold Laswell‘s ghost(s)-in-the-machine(s)?

    Phreespeech Kulchaworriers?

    Someone who can’t or won’t differentiate between a positive duty to be (im)partial in performance of prescribed educative functions under an enactment and a positive duty to refrain from (the appearance of) being partial in performance of prescribed judicial functions under an enactment?)

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 23, 2017 6:50 pm

    Sydney dam levels are now at 95%. We now have to pay $500K/per day in Sydney and $1.7M/day in Melbourne for desal plants we do not need.

    When will the lefties who preach global warming come out and apologise for all the expense they have caused us?

    http://www.waternsw.com.au/supply/dam-levels/greater-sydneys-dam-levels

  80. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 6:50 pm

    Welcome back toilet, good to see ya

  81. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 6:52 pm

    And, I’ll ask, again

    “is it a Political Party, or isn’t it?”

  82. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2017 6:55 pm

    When will the lefties who preach global warming come out and apologise

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2017 8:47 pm

    Hello HD!

  84. March 23, 2017 10:26 pm

    Greetings YomM…

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2017 10:34 pm

    Your intelligent cynicism has been missed.

  86. March 23, 2017 11:05 pm

    One of the key quotes from above article…

    “Today, conservatives decry “political correctness” for imposing a gag on ordinary people on behalf of a cultural elite. Yet that was pretty much exactly the logic of the old censorship regime that they backed: wealthy connoisseurs could ogle “artistic” nudes, while police ruthlessly suppressed racy magazines aimed at a mass audience.

    It took extensive direct action by leftists to smash the old system: think of Wendy Bacon and the libertarians at Tharunka setting out to shock the establishment with their provocations, even at the risk of prison. Yes, Virginia, people went to jail in Australia (real jail, that is: not the make-believe jail Andrew Bolt seems to think he faces) for publishing stuff that conservatives didn’t like.

    Until the late 80s, the term “political correctness” was almost never used in the mainstream media. Insofar as the phrase circulated, it did so on the left – but not in the way you might think.

    “Political correctness” was not a terminology devised by the Frankfurt School for the nefarious program of cultural Marxists. Rather, it was a joke, a gag employed by anti-censorious lefties in the US.”

  87. March 23, 2017 11:14 pm

    Politically jaded, YomM.

    Politically disengaged and somewhat nihilistic when a snakeoil merchant, fact corruptor & uber-rich arsehat like a Trump can hold sway with so much of the public; particularly here, amongst so many of those who decried so much of what he chestbeatingly stands for not so long ago, in the name of ‘conservatism’.
    Witness social conservatives rally behind their charlatan’s banner.

    A downward spiral of reason, rationality and political credibility.

    The litmus test being the way they would have screeched if the other side conducted itself in a semblance of the same manner. Nepotism, illiteracy, opportunism, arrogance, ‘fake news’ (wtf)…and on and on…

    I’m aghast.

    May as well live my life and fuck the world. The rest of the planet will implode long before there’s any rioting where I am…

  88. March 23, 2017 11:31 pm

    Also, fuck Brandis et al with a thousand clawhammers for their ongoing assault upon the internet under the mindnumbing guise of pantywetting antitewwawism…

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 23, 2017 11:45 pm

    hello hd 😘 😍 good to see you!

  90. March 24, 2017 12:05 am

    What a.c. said! ^

  91. March 24, 2017 12:07 am

    Sorry, posthumous hello to YomR! 🙂

    Sorry kneel, you deserve an Earthbound piano from the atmosphere.

  92. March 24, 2017 12:14 am

    I’m pleased by the familiarity of your gravatar, catgravel, I think it’s fucking tremendous, and I’m glad you’ve maintained it.

  93. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2017 6:34 am

    May as well live my life and fuck the world.

    Ah, I’ve missed your lucidity Yoilet ( 🙂 )

    That’s a line that’s tattoo worthy.

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 24, 2017 6:44 am

  95. March 24, 2017 7:26 am

    Hello boss! 🙂

  96. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2017 9:07 am

    Good on ya John Quiggin (thanks ao)

    My immediate reason for doing so is the government’s failure to respond, as legally required, to the Third Report of the Special Review undertaken by the Authority at the government’s request. The government has already indicated that it will reject the key recommendations of the review, particularly the introduction of an emissions intensity scheme for the electricity industry.

    I note josh friedenbutt has been very quiet since Jay Weatherill schooled him on a few fun facts. The main one being, if you want to keep trash talking someone, don’t cry when they strike back (oh, and fix the problem, instead of blaming the solution)

    Former prime minister joins debate as Australian Industry Group says it is not confident the risks to the country’s energy grid are being managed

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/24/emergency-intervention-urged-to-keep-open-hazelwood-power-plant?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

    who was it again who ‘axed’ the Carbon Price and reduce the RET and ARENA to impotent acronyms?

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2017 9:09 am

    By the way HD, how good was it that the Dogs won the premiership last year?

    That was a story to counter the most cynical of us football aficionados!

  98. March 24, 2017 11:36 am

    Nice to see Save-the-swampers like dunny dropping-by. Seems to be giving the-ronald way too much credit for global destruction and misery; for merely a few months in power. Sit back and enjoy the `show` dunny; l`m sure the-ronald will find many more ways over the next 8-years to unhinge braying media.

    +++++

    (Certainly! Had britannia managed to have their own Harold Laswell running things; there would be no auto-tewwa and laptop ghost(s)-in-the cabins-of flying-machine(s)?)

    +++++

    ,

    ,

    ,

    ,

    *this space is intentionally left blank*

  99. March 24, 2017 12:58 pm

    Some save-the-swampers need to realize the 24-hour fakenews fakecycle isn`t really there to help them.

    EG (-:

    Meet Julia. She has red hair, she has autism, she’s Sesame Street’s newest muppet.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-21/julia-gillard-to-replace-jeff-kennett-as-beyond-blue-chair/8372512

    ,

    Meet Julia. She has red hair, she has autism, she’s Beyond Blue’s newest muppet.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-20/sesame-street-introduces-new-muppet-with-autism/8370326

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2017 1:57 pm

    Has Trump proved to be a bigger F***WIT than expexted?

    I expected him to be a complete F***WIT but maybe he’s exceeded my expectations

  101. Repeating Patterns permalink
    March 24, 2017 3:05 pm

    ( EG 🙂

    If one reads the World Happiness Report as something other than a footie ladder, and digs down into the ‘within-country’ and ‘by-theme’ statistics, one might obtain a slightly different picture of the state(s) of the world(s); one might begin to wonder why certain latent(ised) themes appear to emerge out of the data globally; one might even observe that ‘mental illness’, like depression, is especially noted by the report as a significant source(?) of measured ‘misery’, even and especially in (parts of) that paragon of (egalitarian?) virtue, the (under?)developed West(?).)

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2017 4:11 pm

    This has haunted me all day … what a “telling” comment about today’s society!

    And how powerful the image and the words combine …

    armchair opinionator permalink

    March 23, 2017 11:45 pm

    hello hd good to see you!

    Thanks for passing it on KL

    And g’day to you, toylet!

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2017 4:13 pm

    ToM, yes and I think so …

    I notice the humour is startingtp wear thin now as people start to realise the international consequences of what he says (a lot!) and what he does (very little) …

  104. March 24, 2017 4:39 pm

    (not mainly explained by income inequality(?) but by differences in mental health, physical health and personal relationships(?) the biggest single source of misery is mental illness(?) despite the best efforts of capital(ized), democro(tized) leaderz(!) Income differences matter more-or-less in poorer countries, and matter less-or-more among the poor, but even their mental illness is a major source of misery. Shhh. Just don`t tell da-leaderz.)

  105. March 24, 2017 5:36 pm

    l didn`t realize you were such a squirter teebz. Surely ya`worked out by now he is way less of a fool than george-w, john-w, rabbit, dutch-prez and talkbull. #hold.on.to.ya.pussy

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2017 7:45 pm

    Yes TB, we are able to agree on that. Trump is entirely ego driven, a misogynist bully, crass in the extreme, a pathetic, delusional and insecure individual

    Only those f***ed in the head would find anything admirable about that c***

  107. March 24, 2017 7:58 pm

    I quite like Donald Trump.

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2017 9:04 pm

    l didn`t realize you were such a squirter teebz.

    I guess it comes from being shown how to fire a rifle in 1970 and waiting every day for two years to find out if I would have to aim it at someone and kill them!

    “Squirter”? … wonder if you’d say that to my face?

    Life is one big experience, tbagz … not everyone has the same …

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2017 11:05 pm

    Well… I suppose… if you like a***holes like that, he’s ideal!

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 25, 2017 12:48 am

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 25, 2017 6:51 am

    Treasurer Scott Morrison pushes crackdown on investor loans amid house price concerns
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasurer-scott-morrison-pushes-crackdown-on-investor-loans-amid-house-price-concerns-20170324-gv5sx1.html

    Treasurer Scott Morrison has urged financial regulators to crack down harder on loans to real estate investors amid revelations that foreign buyers are spending $8 billion per year on new homes in NSW and Victoria, locking out owner-occupiers…

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2017 9:49 am

    NEGATIVE GEARING and CAPITAL GAINS TAX condoned by the LNP are destroying Australia … Australian Society has become the Soylent Green of the Australian Economy …

    What happens to the economy when society is completely destroyed?

    Short sighted willie wankers the lot of them!

  113. Blow`it`out`me`Teabag permalink
    March 25, 2017 11:48 am

    CYCLONE being prepared for in bananaland on my #abc24

    Australian,,,,Society has become the Soylent Green of the Australian Economy,,,,

    # ,, haw, haw, got that right (-:

    wonder,,,,if you’d say that to my face?,,,,

    # ,, wonder no more, course l fcuking would (-:

    Just,,,,6 out of 75 senators are willing to forego pay rises,,,,

    # ,, nice idea, tho there is TWICE as many traitors demanding poverty in da-HoR

    Londenium

    # ,, l notice the `auto-tewwa` in london turned-out to be a bloke named `adrian`, a `converted` moooooooooslim, Where are `our` panicers?

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 25, 2017 1:40 pm

    NEGATIVE GEARING and CAPITAL GAINS TAX condoned by the LNP are destroying Australia

    Labor was in power for 6 years from 2007-2013 and had the numbers to pass any legislation. Why didn’t Swan show some foresight and do something? I think any govt legislation will just make things worse.

    We need higher interest rates to solve the problem which is only occuring in Sydney and Melbourne

  115. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2017 1:40 pm

    Taxpayer funded Bank Profits

    What a cuntry!

    The latest round of bank rate hikes for property investors is set to deliver a $500 million hit to the federal budget under negative gearing rules that allow interest charges to be clawed back through the tax system.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/financial-services/interest-rate-hikes-to-hit-budget-as-negative-gearing-bites/news-story/b80ce259546eac0860047b66e13b7151

  116. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 25, 2017 1:56 pm

    And i think we need a huge increase in interest rates back to more normal levels and that will stop a lot of people investing in property. Will also help retired people with money in the bank

    And why didn’t Swan do something about NG when he had the power to pass any legislation through Parliament?

  117. March 25, 2017 2:03 pm

    scoMo,,,,said it was was no longer just a question of housing affordability, but `frankly, also an issue about household debt .. and the need to make sure that is well-managed from a financial stability point of view`,,,,

    # ,, oh looky, the teabag treasury has finally caught-up to me.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasurer-scott-morrison-pushes-crackdown-on-investor-loans-amid-house-price-concerns-20170324-gv5sx1.html

    the,,,,share of loans taken out by investors had climbed above 50 per cent for the first time since the Prudential Regulation Authority took action to slow down bank lending to would-be landlords and NEGATIVE gearers in 2015,,,,#teebz

    ,,,,Of the $13.8 billion lent to investors in January, only $1.2 billion was for building new homes,,,,

    The,,,,Turnbull government is considering creating a new affordable housing finance corporation to lend millions of dollars to build community housing,,,,

    # ,, free market! , free market! , free market! , the teabags have screeched for ages. The teabag panic `must` be setting in for them to mention `community-housing`. l smell the sweet smell of teabag desperation running down their legs.

  118. March 25, 2017 2:21 pm

    Taxpayer,,,,funded Bank Profits,,,,

    # ,, yet over the years both teams have had the power to do something about it. #but.didn`t #yaaaaaay.team

    # ,, some just wasted all their time designing a special, special, very oh-so special mining-tax that raised? remind me again!

    # ,, oh that`s right, absolutely fcuking zero. #yaaaay.knife.team

  119. Spindizzy permalink
    March 25, 2017 6:08 pm

    (I don’t know; Van Badham might have her moments; it’s kind of tough absolutely to discount a contention that recently passed childcare reforms have next to nothing to do with child and/or childrens’ and/or familial and/or broader social wellbeing, indisputably beneficial early childhood education, or enabling mothers’ and others’ participations in secure, decently-paid jobs amidst a workplace market generally offering increasing job insecurity and wages-stagnation; not when SS Minister Scott Morrison once explicitly touted a multi-year, softly-softly-shock-doctrine-y childcare reform campaign as being entirely about an enhanced workforce participation which the Productivity Commission prospectus optimistically ventured was very marginal at best, and best considered as a deliverable over quite some time in the best of times, oh, and lots of lovely, immediate, purely-coincidental cuts; although, Modern Families Minister Simon Birmingham now reckons the Carnibus 4×4 really is about what’s best for mums and kids; and throughout all the choppings and changings, and a looming national partnership agreement on universal access to early childhood education renege-otiation, tailor-made faux-choice fiscal conservatisms have been a chalkline to best practice in something or another; but I say all that as someone who notionally much prefers the general contours of, say, the Swedish Educare model.)

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2017 9:11 pm

    SS Minister Scott Morrison with an overtone of Stalin! The worst of both worlds, M, the best of none!

    Do most mums really want to work and leave their kids in a stalag?

    The 21st Century is becoming more like Metropolis by the hour!

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 25, 2017 9:20 pm

    TOOOOOOOO Funny

    TB of Queensland locked up 50,000 people from 2007-2013. He now gives lectures in morality

  122. Givens permalink
    March 25, 2017 11:47 pm

    (TB of Queensland locked up 50,000 people from 2007-2013.

    Err, no; there are no people locked up, and there never were; there arewere only illegals; didn’t you receive Scott’s 2014 end-of-year memo, celebrating the big lexical-(re)definitional wins and the handy retroactive and prospective de facto and de jure immunities secured by, and for, an (ir)responsible minister via strong negotiations with the Senate crossbench in return for releasing some child hostages, err, children held, but not held-held, in detention, by Xmas (or quite a while later, but no matter, if an (ir)responsible minister happened, thereby, to become (ir)responsible for that, too)?)

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 26, 2017 1:53 am

    One Nation candidates vent their outrage about WA, Ashby, Nagle and Hanson
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/one-nation-candidates-vent-outrage-about-wa-ashby-nagle-and-hanson,10144#.WNWk1ZzdyOk.twitter

  124. March 26, 2017 6:12 am

    (For years social welders of the left like Vam Banhad fell for teabag Govts faux offerings; while Govt (un)welded the structure of society. It`s a heady time to be a corporate childcare provider, if not a worker, family or, you know, child. Think of the taxpayer sponsored profits that can be generated from the 24/7 (out)sauced child. Early learning campaigners such as Lisa Bryant are concerned that teabag Govts haven`t really learned about society and; proposed new activity tests, demanding parents must prove participation in work or study to receive assistance for an (out)sauced child. On-shore child gulags will reduce hours of subsidised care and create certainty for profits, create uncertainty for parents in unstable, casual jobs or complex circumstances. New billing systems encourage providers to further casualise the already (under)paid childcare workforce.

    For those unable to process what the actual changes mean, you`re not alone: childcare policy has become so labyrinthine and the compromises are so confusing it`s hard not to believe it`s deliberate. Advocates such as Eva Cox have been decrying the *too complex, overly bureaucratic* nature of Coalition childcare policy as *counterproductive* for years.

    Tho those of teh-left won`t admit that teabag faux child gulags main game is extracting as much taxpayer sponsored profit as possible; and based on the centrelink outsauce model. More Waste. It`s a heady time to be a corporate jobactive provider too.)

  125. March 26, 2017 9:09 am

    Penny Wong came-up with a cracker, `mr-talkbull is the monkey to the mr-rabbit organ grinder` (-: (-: (-: (-: #insiderp #barrie

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 26, 2017 12:43 pm

    Trump us now completely discredited through his failure on Obamacare (though he was already without any with intelligent people)

    What a F***WIT

  127. March 27, 2017 8:41 am

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  128. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 27, 2017 8:54 am

    Our debt now $483,000,000,000. Yet the government still wants to give $50,000,000,000 in tax cuts to companies like the big banks. The same big banks who have all just increased their rates blaming funding costs, when in reality it is because landing is lowing and they need to steal more from their existing customers to maintain those profits to keep their bonuses and obscene salaries at the top.

    Silence from the government over debt, yet they were almost deafening at their screeching when it hit $200,000,000,000 under the ALP. Silence from the government over the continual increase in interest rates by the banks out of any Reserve Bank cycle, yet they were screeching and blaming the ALP any time the banks went out of cycle, claiming nit would never happen under their watch, yet now it happens so regularly it is now ignored by MSM.

    The hypocrisy is overwhelming. The latest opinion poll I think is a far better reflection of mood at the moment than the smoothed and averaged poll of NewsCorp.

  129. shaneinqld permalink
    March 27, 2017 8:56 am

    *Lending is Slowing. Apologies

  130. shaneinqld permalink
    March 27, 2017 8:58 am

    Reb.

    I’ve told you before my holiday pictures are not for public viewing !!

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2017 10:31 am

    Silence from the government over debt, yet they were almost deafening at their screeching when it hit $200,000,000,000 under the ALP.

    When the Coalition tries to do something all the vested interest groups start squealing. We need to cut govt spending but nobody wants to do that. hence we are doomed.

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 27, 2017 10:41 am

    The guy in the photo appears to have dressed up. He must be on his way to one the all you can eat restaurants

  133. shaneinqld permalink
    March 27, 2017 12:03 pm

    ToM

    LOL

  134. Tom R permalink
    March 27, 2017 12:14 pm

    We need to cut govt spending but nobody wants to do that.

    Or we could remove the tax cuts that costello blew the budget with?

  135. shaneinqld permalink
    March 27, 2017 12:41 pm

    Tom R

    We could also simply remove concessions for the top and take super back to what Keating intended.

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 27, 2017 1:12 pm

    Or we could remove the tax cuts that costello blew the budget with?

    The last need people need is a tax increase. People are having trouble paying their bills. But i notice you missed the Swan tax cuts. This from Swans last budget

    http://budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/overview/html/overview_41.htm

    The Government has delivered $47 billion of tax cuts in our first four years since coming to office. In addition, we have provided further tax cuts as assistance for the cost of living impact of the carbon price from 2012‑13. Even after accounting for the small increase in the Medicare levy in 2014‑15 we will be delivering total tax cuts of around $20 billion a year over the next four years compared to the 2007‑08 tax scales.

  137. March 27, 2017 6:54 pm

    The so-called `under-utilisation-rate` which combines unemployment and underemployment levels is higher than it was during the 1990s recession.

    # ,, that UUrate sounds promising. lnstead of totally useless `unemployment` number.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace-relations/underemployment-of-young-people-is-the-highest-it-has-been-in-40-years-20170323-gv4q1o.html

    Almost one in five young people have fewer hours of work than they want, with underemployment in the youth labour force at its highest level in 40 years.

    When,,,,unemployment is taken into account, the proportion of people aged 15 to 24 who are either without work or enough hours of work

    is now at 31.5 per cent,,,,#told`ya-so

    # ,, good to see the churno`s take their head out of their arse and report what many of us had already deduced. Can they keep it up?

    He,,,,does 10 hours a week of volunteer work as a freelance graphic designer in the hope it will lead to a full-time job.(#it-won`t) He had about 20 hours a week of paid work at a takeaway food outlet in Adelaide until a couple of weeks ago,,,,

    # ,, usual `intern` con, they just get another intern.

    +++++

    Kaufland and Lidl are both owned by retail mega group The Schwarz Group, which is reportedly the fifth largest retail company in the world. Lidl provides a similar discount offering to Aldi, with private label products

    http://www.smartcompany.com.au/industries/retail/kaufland-confirms-coming-australia-aldi-rival-lidl-next/

    +++++

    Hey shane, what`s the amount the big-4 banks lose due to hacking? l haven`t seen that reported by braying media for quite a while now.

    +++++

    # ,, also enjoying the cacking by britannia spooks over `wotz-app` encripted messaging (-:

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2017 7:57 pm

    North Queensland battens down as … me bro goes for swim! Whoo-hoo!

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2017 8:01 pm

    We need to cut govt spending but nobody wants to do that. hence we are doomed.

    We actually need MORE REVENUE … why should the poor, sick, unemployed, old, carers of the sick, disabled, young and frail … have to pay for increased pollies perks, submarines, fighter aircraft, obscene bank profits, big business profit and salary grabs and politicians perks … when they pay little or NOTHING …

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2017 8:03 pm

    The guy in the photo appears to have dressed up. He must be on his way to one the all you can eat restaurants

    You seem to be very well informed on these all you can eat venues, ToM? Ah, you surf!

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2017 8:04 pm

    This from Swans last budget

    Four fkn years ago … you can’t blame Labor forever! Oh, wait!

  142. Shane in QLD permalink
    March 28, 2017 6:47 am

    Drain

    The banks refuse to reveal their losses due to hacking. It is not isolated.

    In addition apparently most hacking of any business not just banks is not revealed to the police for fear that their brand will be so damaged the business will go under.

    This was told to us by the senior police officer of fraud last year. So in reality the reported hacking is estimated to be far less than 10% of what actually happens.

  143. March 28, 2017 7:24 am

    not,,,,revealed to the police for fear that their brand will be so damaged,,,,

    # ,, good to self(non)regulation working so efficiently huh?

    reported,,,,hacking is estimated to be far less than 10% of,,,,

    # ,, l really hope the hackers can drain the caymans (-: and other off-shore hidey-holes.

  144. shaneinqld permalink
    March 28, 2017 8:16 am

    You wonder why I have no sympathy for farmers and yet I come from the land. Do NOT tell me the farmers are not aware, they certainly are and it disgusts me. This government has proven time and time again it does not care at all about the poor, the low paid or the uneducated workers.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/investigations/slavery-claims-as-seasonal-workers-from-vanuatu-paid-nothing-for-months-work-20170327-gv7k99.html

  145. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2017 8:57 am

    Four fkn years ago

    Yea, and the deficit four times less than it is now 😉

    I have no sympathy for farmers

    They are a breed apart, and arguably more reliant on the grubmint teet than even miners and fossil fuels are.

  146. March 28, 2017 9:08 pm

    wonder,,,,why I have no sympathy for farmers,,,,

    # ,, shane l agree 100% about the teabumpkins.

    # ,, near 2-decades ago l spent a lot of time in `backpackers`, back then they got the around $3-4/hr `picking`. lt is still $3-4, yet the cnuts and their `agents` thieve from them that little-bit they earned.

    # ,, all fully condoned and abeted by the clowntown facists.

    # ,, there will be no surprise here when the `financial-violence` converts to actual violence.

    # ,, BTW, l told folks here about it probably 4-years ago.

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