New Poll: Coalition faces election wipeout!
Malcolm Turnbull has taken another hammering in the polls with the latest Fairfax Ipsos poll showing that Labor has opened up a 10 point lead against the government on the election-deciding two-party preferred stakes. Labor now leads the Coalition by 55 per cent to 45 per cent.
Had an election been held on Saturday, the government would have suffered a catastrophic wipeout losing 24 seats with the moronic Peter Dutton (rumoured to be considered “leadership material” amongst the LNP faithful) being one of the casualties.
It’s almost as if the public don’t like the idea of their penalty rates being slashed, or an apparent inability to appreciate how important it is for society to allow racists to spurt hatred without fear of retribution.
The figures are particularly damaging for Talcum as they are worse than the figures he used to depose Tony Abbott as leader back in 2015.
Loyal deputy Julie Bishop, took a short break from her ministerial duties of hosting cocktail parties and fashion parades to lend her support to Turnbull’s leadership.
“The party room has his complete support,’” she said.
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“The party room has his complete support,’” she said.
How many times have we heard that said by both sides over the last 10 years.
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“The party room has his complete support,’” she said.
What next a bunker deep under Parliament House …
TurnAbbott has experience in double dissolutions … maybe he should consider the one thing that he was successful at achieving – oh, wait!
Words … words … words … as the nation crumbles around them … economic managers? Govern for all Australians? Create jobs? Innovation? Growth? Education? Health? Support the poor? Uni students? Unemployed? Sick? Weak? Frail? and Old?
Words … words … words …
A successful nation is a healthy and educated nation that looks after those in need …
What we have is a mean spirited, weak-kneed national “leader”, puppet mastered by a Liberal (what an oxymoron) Gang who simply feed their need for greed!
Here come the play the man not the ball tactics aimed at Shorten …
Shorten as PM. It doesn’t work for me. Bowen – fine, he’s intelligent and doesn’t have Shorten’s entrenched dishonesty.
ToM
I do not mean you as you have given an alternative as in Bowen.
What I find so funny is you can always pick the rusted on voters of either side, no matter who the other side put in as leader they don’t like them. They cannot see anything good in any leader of the other side.
While Shorten doesn’t work for you he almost won government at the last election. The current Turnbull government only won against him by a bees dick. If Abbott was still leader at the last election he would have been giving the concession speech to a much more reduced party. The LNP in QLD, gone after 1 election. The Vic LNP gone after 1 election. WA LNP removed in the biggest landslide in WA history. CLP in the NT gone in landslide. TAS LNP likely to lose at next election barring a miracle.
So I think Shorten may not be as bad an opposition leader (to those who matter, the swinging voters) as we are led to believe by this con artist government. If all they have is Shorten at the next election then they will certainly be gone as well, if not earlier.
… doesn’t have Shorten’s entrenched dishonesty …
Far more intelligent and visionary than the present (no clothes) Emperor …
And we all know you have no personal bias … re anything to do with unions … investment bankers you seem to like …
I want someone who can WALK the TALK! For THE PEOPLE … just ONE!
This really is shameful!
OVER 30% OF AUSTRALIAN YOUTH HAVE NO JOB OR ARE UNDEREMPLOYED
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/27/third-of-australian-youth-have-no-job-or-are-underemployed-report-finds
Far more intelligent and visionary than the present (no clothes) Emperor …
Bizarre TB, I had a little to do with Shorten in the past. He’s no visionary, a typical hack on the make.
TB’s visionary!! Hilarious. Apologies TB, I thought for a moment you were serious. Very droll!
He’s no visionary, a typical hack on the make.
Except of course for all the wages he increased, and lives he saved.
So yea, in yomms eyes, a Union ‘hack’
That must explain why Shorten is so popular wiht his union colleagues!
https://redflag.org.au/article/australias-worst-union-and-its-grub-alp-leader
Yep, Bill and Cesar!! What a pair of 100% decent guys!!
almost,,,,won government at the last election,,,,
# ,, its a `perspective` thing shane. These elections in clowntown are YUCK elections most of the time. You say blib `almost-won` where l would say blib `just-pushed` talkbull over the line. Had team-knife both cleaned house `and` had a go-getter with `some` competence, the teabags would have been toast. Unfortunately team-knife don`t get their act together and retain `structural` problems which always/continually trip them up. Example, they all have to mindlessly chant they all agree with da-policy, or they get dis-endorsed. The problem here is then penny wong gets cornered on qandaland to blather the anti-gay marriage policy (against her own personal relationship) in an unconvincing manner; which viewers can tell she is lying. And they continually repeat this type example/error again and again.
# ,, work it out. The teabags only represent the billionaire 0.01%, yet team-knife are funded by 15% of the workforce. They should be miles in FRONT of the teabags, NOT BEHIND!
ToM really has got the disease bad … maybe Pauline has a vaccination for it … ?
So yea, in yomms eyes, a Union ‘hack’
And it still fascinates me, TR, that Beaconsfield has never been mentioned with regard to Shorten’s positive role in the rescue … by either side of politics … think about it.
(Side note: The Minister and I visited Beaconsfield Mine in 2012 … it was just about closed by then but what a dreary place it was … they have a museum of course and a concrete pipe to demonstrate what space Webb and Russell had to survive in … gave me the creeps having been underground in both coal and hard-rock mines … got goosebumps writing!)
I can’t understand why Shorten is such a hero out of Beaconsfield. Which union official, or manager (or even an OHS officer) wouldn’t put time in on a site where workers are trapped underground.
Shorten did no more than could have been reasonably expected of him.
Stable work is the passport for our young people to build a good life for themselves,
# ,, sounds familiar (-:
Young people starting out today face a much harsher job scenario than their parents and grandparents did.
# ,, hex-debt uni-degree won`t help da-majority either, only lucky few
# ,, did ya`see the 4corners `econonomic-recovery` episode out of teh-usa teebz, rich have got staggeringly more richer, `middle`-working-class have been hollowed-out; creating explosion in `working-poor`; not matter how much they work; pay-level/ low-hours, can never earn `sufficient` to get ahead.
# ,, and it IS already here too.
Barbie says President Trumble has her full support…. goodbye Malcom,dont hit the door on your way out!
But that`s engaging in pixie-dust teebz, blib has been a fcuking disaster in clowntown, along with several others in team-knife, `beaconsfield`, `da-onion`, ETC is neither here nor there, judge him on the spectacular self-implosion he helped during the jooLiar and kevin07 era, and the total lack of judgement that took; judge him on NOT going for gay-marriage when they `actually` had power, not the `noise` since; and most importantly judge him on the total free ride to victory blib and his ilk have given the teabags. (no amount of wd40 will free you)
Shorten did no more than could have been reasonably expected of him.
Shorten did what his chosen Profession required of him.
To help workers.
What a grub!
Where was malcontent when all this was happening.
Stuffing his money away in the Caymans
What exactly did Shorten do to rescue miners?
“Beaconsfield has never been mentioned with regard to Shorten’s positive role in the rescue”
Being accessible to the media isn’t rescuing anyone.
Maybe TB means – Shorten’s positive role in managing the media.
Wikipedia must be controlled by the Liberals!! The summary of the rescue at Beaconsfield neglects to detail Bill’s role in drilling a new rescue tunnel, entering the unstable tunnel to confirm that the miners were alive!!
It’s a disgrace that Bill’s role in the rescue isn’t detailed!!
In any event, doing all the media stuff is really, really difficult.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaconsfield_Mine_collapse
Maybe TB means – Shorten’s positive role in managing the media.
You really have a serious psych problem, ToM …
“””””””””””And it still fascinates me, TR, that Beaconsfield has never been mentioned with regard to Shorten’s positive role in the rescue … by either side of politics … “”””””””””””
You are the one making the fuss … not me … or are you saying that Shorten had a negative role?
And as TR said … where was TurnAbbott … in any national crisis but his own!~
MALfunction even fkd up a winnable Republic Referendum!
“Weak as piss” … said a Pommie teacher to me on Samos Island at the time … a fkn Pommie!
In any event, doing all the media stuff is really, really difficult.
No one else was doing anything with the media.
You really are a Dick, Tom … I’m sure I’ve clashed with you (and your brothers and sisters and cousins) in so many boredrooms* I’ve lost count!
What exactly did Shorten do to rescue miners?
Who said he was ‘rescuing’ him?
You really should desist from making shit up yomm.
TB said – Beaconsfield has never been mentioned with regard to Shorten’s positive role in the rescue
As if doing media interviews is part of the rescue. But that’s TB for you because he also describes Shorten as “visionary”
Great, a knife wielding, glib visionary for PM!
Drain
I agree it is perspective.
Turnbull was going to be the saviour, the polls showed them losing a few seats but never the result where he only just fell over the line. Some will think Shorten lost the election for the ALP. I believe he nearly won it. The LNP lost 16 seats, not 5 or 6 but 16. If Shorten is so bad that would not have happened. It might have under Abbott but it would not under Turnbull unless the swinging voters supported policies from Shorten. Swinging voters are far more intelligent than rusted on supporters in my opinion as they make decisions on policy and actions not on blind ideology.
Again… Wikipedia is simply outrageous! It fails to talk about the essential role of media interviews in the rescue of trapped miners!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mine_rescue
Everyone knows that all those efforts in rescuing people trapped in an underground mine would fail if there wasn’t someone like Our Bill getting his head on the TV! That’s a job far more important than drilling tunnels and risking your life entering an unstable mine to rescue those trapped!
TB is of course right – Bill to the rescue!
As if doing media interviews is part of the rescue.
Yea, because Unions have no impact on safety concerns do they, the miners do that our of their kindness.
Companies and unions can inform the public about rescue efforts. That’s fine.
But to characterise Shorten’s media work as part of the rescue is bizarre. It diminishes the dedicated and dangerous work of actual rescuers
But TB always wants to give Our Bill a boost.
Saw this comment on Brisbane Times and could not put it better myself in regards to so many things these days that have become political.
“We have entered an age where people think their own ignorance and opinion is just as relevant as scientific evidence”
Another “own goal” for Talcum…
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/03/28/majority-voters-oppose-18c-race-hate-law-reform
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“…….that Beaconsfield has never been mentioned with regard to Shorten’s positive role in the rescue … by either side of politics …..”
Are you serious ?
The TV cameraman plus the sound man should also be included as a “positive role”………………..In fact dont forget Naomi Robson’s “positive role” providing eye candy.
Oh and while we are at it dont forget Richard Calton gave up his life during the rescue. A martyr to reporting on the rescue
But to characterise Shorten’s media work as part of the rescue is bizarre.
Do you think anyone would have survived if it wasn’t for the work of the Unions over hte years?
You really exist in a cloud.
Are you serious ?
You obviously are not, to completely ignore the safety provisioning and training the Unions FORCE these mining companies into.
The media appearances are simply to remind the families that hte Unions are there, after all the years of background work they have done, against great opposition from the companies and the libs.
Despite this, we still have one of the better safety records.
So Tom R (or TB) could you describe Our Bill’s “positive role in the rescue”?
could you describe Our Bill’s “positive role in the rescue”?
You mean apart from being the head of the organisation who provided all the safety and training mentioned previously against fierce opposition to it?.
Bill’s “positive role in the rescue”
As someone who was in Tassie at the time, my understanding is that Bill was providing a valuable role in acting as a conduit between the emergency service workers and the concerned families of those trapped below.
Beaconsfield is a small town that depended on the mine for its survival. I imagine all those affected by the potential closure of the mine, and the impact this would have on their livelihood and futures would have appreciated someone who was working with the operators of the mine and representing the interests of the workers.
Could you describe “our Bill’s negative role in the rescue?”
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Bill’s negative role in the rescue
He took a private plane from a billionaire there. Bloody social climbing wannabe!
LOL… 🙂
I’m not saying it was negative, but he was involved in media management and liaison.
It’s demeaning to the brave people going into the mine shaft to describle media management as “rescue”
FFS- fronting the cameras and talking to people isn’t “rescue”
He took a private plane from a billionaire
I thought that was for his holiday in the Caribbean. Did he use it to go to Tasmania too?
I thought that was for his holiday in the Caribbean.
Wrong pm 😉
“”I’m not saying it was negative, but he was involved in media management and liaison.””
And that was a bad thing because…….??
Wrong?? How’s that?
When Labor leader Bill Shorten was palling around with the billionaire price fixer Richard Pratt in the 1990s and early 2000s, he went on a vacation to Easter Island, Argentina and Cuba.
Covering the long distances wouldn’t have been tiring. Shorten and his first wife, financier Deborah Beale, flew in the Pratts’ private jet, according to Jeanne Pratt, the family matriarch.
Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/bill-shorten-flew-in-richard-pratts-private-jet-to-cuba-20170209-gu8z2k#ixzz4cZioQloD
And that was a bad thing because…….
Exactly
And, he’s in a UNION!! (BOO!!!)
Media liaison doesn’t qualify in “rescue”
But fortunately Shorten stuck to what he’s good at – smarming around the media, he left the actual “rescue” to professionals.
But if TB wants to call media liaison – “rescue” – well…he’s the expert.
flew in the Pratts’ private jet,
AAAGGHH!!!
WANNABE!!
No worries… I’m only informing you because you said -wtong PM
And that was a bad thing because…….??
Because ToM is just a pedantic prick who occasionally falls into his own traps …
A mine rescue such as Beaconsfield relies heavily on communication … not just underground … but on the surface too … (and in between)
Its snide comments like the ones above that make me think ToM’s never been involved in emergency issues … I suspect he reads a lot, travels a lot and talkfests a lot … actually “doing stuff” ain’t in his repertoire …
Perhaps to satisfy your pedantic nature, ToM, I should have said ” a positive role in the rescue “communications management system” ” FFS! Indeed!
It was a given that Bill Shorten wasn’t underground with a pick and shovel … the experts were doing that – they weren’t expert in facing the media … and as someone with expertise with the mining industry and the media Bill Shorten was relaying information to family, friends and those of us who were seriously interested in what was happening … not when the mine would open next and hopefully make some money (that’s another story) …
As for crass statements – they just keep coming from Farnham Wal … Richard Calton gave up his life during the rescue. A martyr to reporting on the rescue
Shakes head …
“”he left the actual “rescue” to professionals.””
And that was a bad thing because…….??
Being pedantic has nothing to do with it TB, it’s simply that you are so determined to reflect favourably on Shorten, giving him plaudits and compliments, exaggerating the importance of his role… why would I overlook that nonsense?
You certainly don’t when a comment is posted that you disagree with.
Qld’s reliance on coal must be the reason for the blackouts in nth qld 😜
…the government would have suffered a catastrophic wipeout losing 24 seats with the moronic Peter Dutton (rumoured to be considered “leadership material” amongst the LNP faithful) being one of the casualties…
I do hope that the godbothering voters of dickson have decided that peter dutton is no christian, ‘little’ lone pm material. Would love to see him wiped out!
‘little’ lone pm material.
chuckle.
Qld’s reliance on coal must be the reason for the blackouts in nth qld
Meanwhile, this tools just trolling now, it’s all he has left
“But if TB wants to call media liaison – “rescue” – well…he’s the expert.”
You are missing the point ToM…………….it’s to do with “the vibe”……………….”it’s in the vible”
LOL
“Meanwhile, this tools just trolling now, it’s all he has left”
Yes….yes………..”trolling” is now equated with spreading facts
A gutsy government would re-nationalise power and water, the privatisation of essential services was never put to voters because it would not have passed. National assets paid for by taxpayers sold off to politicians mates and donors for future profits. The pollies become beneficiaries through their own [*cough* wives] share ownership [insider tradings] and they also manage to get jobs at the companies after being turfed out by voters.
Helen Razer: Paleo Pete talks shit, but so do our alleged leaders, so who can blame him?
Mmmmmmmm………………no matter how hard I look I dont see Bill’s name anywhere…..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-15/paramedics-honoured-for-bravery-during-beaconsfield-rescue/5674656
“”no matter how hard I look I dont see Bill’s name anywhere…””
So we’ve got ToM complaining that Bill was in the media and Walrus complaining that he was not.
SNAFU.
There seems to be a conspiracy to ignore Our Bill’s role in the rescue of those miners at Beaconsfield.
Firstly Wikipedia neglects to mention his role in the rescue, narrowly focusing on the people actually doing the rescuing, rather than applauding the heroic efforts of those long rambling speeches to the media!!
Then we have more evidence of conspiracy in that he wasn’t given an award for his bravery in talking to reporters! It’s a disgrace!
I might see if I can watch the tele movie of it tonight! Does anyone know who played Our Bill in the starring role? Hugh Jackman? Denzel Washington? Chris Hemsworth?
“So we’ve got ToM complaining that Bill was in the media and Walrus complaining that he was not.”
Err……no……..my link is in relation to people involved in the rescue and given bravery awards.
Or perhaps Bill won a Walkley Award in 2006……?…………….but no he’s not on that list either.
“Does anyone know who played Our Bill in the starring role? Hugh Jackman? Denzel Washington? Chris Hemsworth?”
I cant believe it Tom………………………….no one plays his character
Here is the full cast
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1975368/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ql_1
So IATW, they have actors playing reporters in the show… who are they supposed to be talking to?
I thought the whole story was about Bill!!
More evidence of media bias against him!!
Personally, I think Cameron Diaz should play Bill.
”trolling” is now equated with spreading facts
You mean about how it was the extreme weather events that caused the blackouts?
Or that Wind power continued to produce electricity all through the blackout?
Or that AEMO didn’t get the wind farms to adjust their settings, as other countries had done, so that they could actually provide their electricity to the grid?
THOSE facts?
Nah, he just sticks with his bolt inspired cherry picking, and ignores all them 😉
“More evidence of media bias against him!!”
Alternatively it could be………………..
You certainly don’t when a comment is posted that you disagree with.
OK, ToM, what is your “informed” opinion of a Prime Minister who shuffles money into the Cayman Islands?
Do you?
SNAFU
NINO©
Nonsense In Nonsense Out
ToM and Farnham Wal working as a team … ooops Tag Team …
Pathetic actually!
Always noice to know you’ve stirred the possum(s) … chuckle …
It`s demeaning to the brave hard working people going into the mine shaft, day after day to do the hard-yakka, and to then `describle` them as bludgers and dole-fairys (as ipa trolls do) when they lose their job and get their living kicked-out from beneath them thru no fault of their own. #teabag
During a late-night sitting, Senator Lambie told the chamber she wanted them to know what is was like “to be at the bottom of the crap pile”.
“It is shameful and embarrassing, but we do it not because we want to but because circumstances put us there,” she said.
“And for you to take more money off those people, you have no idea how bloody tough it is, every little cent counts to those people.
“If you really realised the damage that you are doing to that part of society, you would stop doing it.
“We’re not living when we are like that, we are surviving, we are in a bloody war zone and we are surviving.
“We are surviving to put bread on the table to make sure our kids can get the basics in life, so our kids can go to decent schools if we want that choice.
“I drove an unregistered car .. [I drove] without having a licence because I couldn’t renew it.
“I want you know what it is like to be at the bottom of the crap pile through no fault of our own.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-23/praise-for-lambies-emotional-senate-speech/8381726
# ,, Yes dumbfcuks, l noticed that you-lot didn`t notice this (Lambie).
# ,, l also noticed you didn`t notice the abuse of the handicaped on 4corners either.
# ,, There is a lot of folks now-a days, on `the bottom of the crap pile through no fault of our own.
# ,, Yet you still reckon `this` team or `that` team are a fcuking answer? Wake-up!
Yes dumbfcuks, l noticed that you-lot didn`t notice this (Lambie).
# ,, l also noticed you didn`t notice the abuse of the handicaped on 4corners either.
# ,, There is a lot of folks now-a days, on `the bottom of the crap pile through no fault of our own.
What do you think this is? Q&A?
I’ve been out of work with two little kids and a wife to support … and $1 in my pocket, a mortgage and food to put on the table … then I mowed over the last dollar in my pocket! It now sits in my study in bits in laminated plastic … as a reminder! Along with my indentures and a degree! (in the 70’s no dole for six weeks)
I’ve been on the bottom of the crap heap! Just like Lambie and I saw her impassioned speech … and sympathised with her pain and passion!
BUT … there’s so much garbage going on in Australia and around the world it IS difficult to keep up …
But don’t blame this website … start your own … oh! wait!
# ,, Yet you still reckon `this` team or `that` team are a fcuking answer? Wake-up!
Wake up? To what? One Nation? NXT? Nationals? Derryn Hinch? Katter? Lambie? Bernardi?
WHO?
Paleo Pete really is a dangerous Fuckwit! Of the worst kind!
WHO?
You’ll find the answer is likely to be Trump or Putin.
Along with my indentures and a degree!
# ,, and how long did it take to pay-off ya`hex-debt?
# ,, and how long did it take to pay-off ya`hex-debt?
Why do you ask??
Re: Cyclone Debbie …
To all energy suppliers, state governments and the Federal government …
Constantly replanting power poles and sticking cables in the air is false economy … put the fkn cables underground – once and for all!
tweet,,,,It took 4 AEMO reports, but the ABC has finally admitted @CUhlmann’s SA energy reporting was wrong,,,,
# ,, Yet toolmans interviewing was always (im-peck-a-)bull. We all know the unruly `fans` (operated by-pinkists;) blew down the `pylons`; no matter how much engineering-denial my abc gets Nick to produce; in their name of `balance`. (-:
Should Ayaan Hirsi Ali face the wrath of 18C?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/its-time-to-shut-all-islamic-schools-says-antiradical-islam-campaigner-ayaan-hirsi-ali/news-story/02aae873a62c03a48c6eae4552a4540b
It took 4 AEMO reports, but the ABC has finally admitted @CUhlmann’s SA energy reporting was wrong
Yet he continues with his trolling habits (whilst misleading listeners)
Imagine if it was a ‘lefty’ reporter doing what he is doing?
Documents seized during controversial police raids seeking material leaked from NBN Co will be withheld from the police investigation and will not be allowed to be used “in any prosecution or other legal proceedings”, after a ruling by federal parliament’s powerful privileges committee.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/28/documents-seized-in-hunt-for-nbc-co-leaks-to-be-withheld-from-police-investigation?CMP=share_btn_tw
Good!
Of course, nobody will be held to account for the partisan method in which the raids were staged. What is most telling is the story doesn’t even broach the subject. Ah, our msm 😉
Should Ayaan Hirsi Ali face the wrath of 18C?
Read 18D and then tell us what ya think (I’ll go with ‘no’) 😉
“Pathetic actually!”
So says TheBigot
What a hypocrite you are
oh oh, Hueys back
Or is it Duey?
I always get them 2 mixed up.
“………the privatisation of essential services was never put to voters because it would not have passed.”
For your information the New South Wales LNP took electricity privatisation to the last election as a key promise and won easily
Read 18D and then tell us what ya think (I’ll go with ‘no’)
Possibly, but one of the problems is the “case to answer” process – that’s “the process is the punishment” objection.
that’s “the process is the punishment” objection.
Even Gillian Triggs agrees the process (that she was forced to work under) should be changed.
Why change the wording to weaken it also? Why not change just the process
I’m pointing out that many left people cheered for the process when it was applied to tbe QUT students and wanted the process applied to Bill Leak.
LOL…………another liar ?
From the Oz
“The claim by ACTU secretary Sally McManus that she headed the student union at Macquarie University for more than two years is in dispute, with no records showing she ever held the post.
On her LinkedIn “experience” profile, Ms McManus says she was president of the student union at North Ryde, in Sydney’s northwest, from August 1991 to August 1993, for “2yrs 1 mo”.
She also told The Australian in an interview published on March 17 when she took over the Australian union movement’s top position that “at 19, she was elected student union president”.
Macquarie University records show Ms McManus was elected in August 1990 as one of 21 councillors of the Macquarie University Students Council, and held this position until August 1991. She was not elected to the student union council in any elections in 1991, 1992, 1993 or 1994.
The chairperson, or president- equivalent, of the student union for those years was, in order, Pip Cummings, Lucy Blamey, Jamie Parker and Ian Archer-Wright.
Ms McManus yesterday declined to respond to questions from The Australian asking if she could explain her LinkedIn claim, or to say whether other details on her profile were correct……….”
And who wouldn’t want to boast about the political success of their student days!
Peter Costello and Michael Kroger were the powerful organisers on the Monash campus and ran the ALP branch with an iron fist back in my day!
another liar ?
From the Oz
lol 🙂
Bloody unions at it again! Oh, wait?
http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/radio-rentals-faces-classaction-lawsuit-over-rent-try-1-buy-scheme/news-story/c2bd3a9a1cb63959680a3a878ac03988
I always get them 2 mixed up.
Chuckle!
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Peter Costello and Michael Kroger were the powerful organisers on the Monash campus and ran the ALP branch with an iron fist back in my day!
Infiltrators? Or just discovered their “talents” were better suited to the Liberal Party … if memory serves the much vaunted W Churchill played with all the political parties at one time or another … but his Tory mindset never left him …
BTW, I’m still waiting for your opinion on a Prime Minister who squirrels away his investments in the Caymans rather than in the country he supposedly “leads” …
I see Wal’s lost for words again …
back tostill name calling with no real purpose … pathetic actually! 🙂I see TheBigot’s lost for words again … back to still name calling with no real purpose … pathetic actually!
You can’t have it both way. The left continually calls anti Islam protests “racist”
BTW, I’m still waiting for your opinion on a Prime Minister who squirrels away his investments in the Caymans rather than in the country he supposedly “leads” …
If i can butt in Turnbull claimed he invests there to avoid a conflict of interest. Most investment funds have shares say in Telstra and when he was Communications Minister people would say he has a conflict of interest.
You can’t have it both way.
Wow yomm. Talk about missing the point, completely
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/details-emerge-of-alinta-offer-to-keep-sas-last-coalfired-power-station-open/news-story/b4ab464faa28ba689562ef5d140e3fe0
Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg has labelled Jay Weatherill the “premier with no clothes” after it emerged the South Australian government knocked back a $25 million offer to keep the Northern coal-fired power station open.
Details of the previously secret offer from Alinta Energy to keep South Australia’s last coal-fired power station operational in return for just $25 million from the Weatherill government have today been revealed, a fortnight after the Premier flatly denied it and accused The Australian of promoting false information.
Hitting out at the SA Labor leader for preventing the release of the letter outlining the rescue bid, Mr Frydenberg said the deal would have provided more energy security than the $550m energy plan the state has since unveiled.
wally just got pwnd too ROFL
Was that story from the lolstralian nil?
Better check yer sauces 😉
I see TheBigot’s lost for words again … back to still name calling with no real purpose … pathetic actually!
Farnham Wal is really desperate now … resorting to plagiarism! LOL! 🙂
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The left
Who is this “The left”,ToM?
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wally just got pwnd too ROFL
Not having a good day old, Farnham Wal …
… nor is the government … they are literally screaming … in panic!
Bill Shorten this and AWU this even tried to dirty Dryfus … big bounce!
TurnAbbott “works for all Australians” apparently …
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Tom I’m still waiting to hear your opinion on a Prime Minister who keeps all his own treasure in the Cayman’s? Rather than in the banks in Australia … perhaps he can’t trust them? Or any financial institution … but there is one place he’d do alright … an industry super fund … 🙂
I don’t stash money off shore, though I’d imagine some of it is in overseas shares.
That’s probably the case with everyone with superannuation.
I’m not sure what your point is TB. Can you guarantee that all your investments are in Australia?
By the way where did Rudd keep his money? I know his wife moved their money/business to Britain to avoid a conflict of interest.
“…..wally just got pwnd too ROFL”
Err…….no not based on the facts
The fact she got the names messed up just show her total incompetence
“I’m not sure what your point is TB”
Just more elderly rambling from TheBigot I’d say
“Can you guarantee that all your investments are in Australia?”
Of course he cant. Mr Know It All actually knows very little
Yet another one for the “Our Dams Will Never Again Be Full File”
LOL
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-weather-warning-issued-as-cyclone-debbie-remnant-collides-with-cold-front-20170329-gv8s34.html
The fact she got the names messed up
Don’t you mean that the lolstralian just didn’t do basic backgrounding?
Who is this “The left”,ToM?
That’s what I was thinking.
“”.no not based on the facts””
Yes, she’s “totally incompetent”. If only she got her news about her own life from The Australian instead….
“Don’t you mean that the lolstralian just didn’t do basic backgrounding?”
ROFL……………………you mean like answering questions posed to her which she refuses to answer ?
Possibly these “left” people regard anti Islam views as racism.
“If only she got her news about her own life from The Australian instead….”
Are you implying the Oz deliberately misquoted her LinkedIn account ?
If not she must be incompetent or a liar or both.
You do tend to see CVs like that quite often
Possibly these “left” people regard anti Islam views as racism.
so you mean “socialists” are “The left” …
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I don’t stash money off shore, though I’d imagine some of it is in overseas shares.
That’s probably the case with everyone with superannuation.
I’m not sure what your point is TB. Can you guarantee that all your investments are in Australia?
Well that’s a weasely answer, ToM, I didn’t ask about you or me … my point is how do you feel about a Prime Minister who deliberately stashes his fortune in another country deliberately …
You must have taken your cue from today’s Question Time … waffle and ignore … its Tory Time … Wal’s got a similar problem, really good at putting out shit but doesn’t like it thrown back … very Liberal strategy …
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Are you implying the Oz deliberately misquoted her LinkedIn account ?
They have history …
Are you implying that The Mayor of Blue Mountains Council is lying as well as McManus … but the Mordoch Fake News isn’t? LOL! 🙂
You do tend to see CVs like that quite often
True … mostly from accountants, bank managers, financial managers, CFO’s, insurance managers, ex-conmen/women … but they try to hide their backgrounds
Must log in and find Wally Farnham … chuckle …
Can you guarantee that you have no overseas investments TB?
Turnbull has given a answer
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/malcolm-turnbull-dodges-shortens-fearsome-cayman-attack-leaving-labor-in-murky-waters-20151015-gka5f6.html
And yes, he had been quite deliberate about ensuring his millions weren’t invested in Australian funds because most of them bought, say, Telstra shares. He had, after all, spent some years as the Communications Minister, and he didn’t want the potential for conflict of interest claims to be levelled when he was making decisions about, say, Telstra.
Funds based in the US usually had two arms, he explained patiently, one of which involved a home in the Caymans or some other tax haven so their investors – a lot of whom were nationals of other countries – didn’t have to pay the 15 per cent withholding tax that would otherwise be payable to the US.
He and Lucy, thus, got the full return on their investments, and they paid the full Australian tax on them without enriching America’s coffers first. Everyone was a winner, and he hadn’t dodged his country’s tax at all.
“Can you guarantee that you have no overseas investments TB?”
Can you guarantee that your investments are 100% Australian…??
Geeze, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel this game.. 🙄 🙄 🙄
TB is the one whinging about off shore investments.
Oh right.
Well maybe when TB can tell us that he has 200 million dollars in offshore investments I might consider him to be worthy of some criticism.
Given that that’s unlikely, you’re really just coming across as just trolling.
🙄
And perhaps you could try less sniping
you mean like answering questions posed to her which she refuses to answer ?
er, accusations, they are accusations
And if she spent her days answering vapid claims, she’d not have time for things like this
http://www.actu.org.au/actu-media/speeches-and-opinion/speech-by-actu-secretary-sally-mcmanus-at-the-national-press-club
Are you implying the Oz deliberately misquoted her LinkedIn account ?
Surely not ROFL
So what does the lol do, doubles down
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/sally-mcmanus-clarifies-macquarie-uni-student-union-past/news-story/128d239348932907ad933a7c8883dcc0
[hint] It was the reporter who mixed up the student bodies, not Sally McManus. But Sorry seems to be the hardest word
The funniest thing about the lolstralian is, when you go to their site, it has a big banner about ‘fake news’. Yet they practically invented it!
And poor widdle wally, pwnd and pwnd again. When will he learn to stop believing such ltdnews?
TB is the one whinging about off shore investments.
Let’s get all emotional! Whinging? It was a simple question … but because you c-c-c-c-can’t answer it truthfully you first answer with a question and then tell me my reasonable question is “whinging” … that is fkn hilarious! LOL! 🙂
TurnAbbott has no fkn clothes … I noticed one of the Tory ministers used my emperor cliché today too!
Let’s get see who catches this one …
I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!
TR, in the military self inflicted wounds are a chargeable offence!
Latham needs to be landed on a desert island somewhere and forgotten …
SKY … the unbiased news … LOL!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/29/mark-latham-sacked-by-sky-news-after-controversial-remarks
I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!
And that is why people vote ALP. Greed. They want things from the govt for free. Well there goes the budget, our credit rating, our industry etc
“, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel this game.. ”
If you say so……so glad you gain such great comfort from your own comments these days.
However just a little advice…… you’d be laughed out of a undergrad debating society
And that is why people vote ALP. Greed.
What a strange mind you must have, neel …
However just a little advice…… you’d be laughed out of a undergrad debating society
Have you ever debated anything? Astounding … undergrad??? FMD!
you’d be laughed out of a undergrad debating society
Says the one who uses a fake news site for his ‘facts’ ROFL
The woman has absolutely no idea and lives in another world. Throws accusations at the other side while demanding she did nothing wrong. I hate both sides for their theft but this woman is truly a nut job.
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/bronwyn-bishop-defiant-over-expenses/ar-BBz0ZL5?li=AAavLaF&ocid=spartandhp
I hate both sides for their theft
All sides?
But yes, one side does it with aplomb
Priceless
(read it and weep wally)
Attack on union leader Sally McManus by the Australian newspaper backfires
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/30/attack-on-union-leader-sally-mcmanus-by-the-australian-newspaper-backfires?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet
burn ROFL
ACTU sources said the union movement didn’t bother responding to questions from the Australian any more because they were “irrelevant”.
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
But yes, one side does it with aplomb
And they probably nick them from the cafeteria!
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Attack on union leader Sally McManus by the Australian newspaper backfires
No retraction in news.com..au … funny that!
ToM R
Yes all sides as you are aware. All of them disgust me, it is just that some disgust me more with their attitude as well.
More Pure Pwnage, this time to hanson
‘Show me anything I’ve said that’s racist’: Pauline Hanson’s racism challenge
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/03/29/pauline-hanson-racism-challenge/
Yep TB, fish in a barrel 😦
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“”perhaps you could try less sniping””
Where’s the fun in that..? Besides, someone’s gotta take up the slack now that ToSY’s fucked off..
But,,,,don`t blame this website,,,,
# ,, where did l do that peanut? l merely pointed-out dumbfcuks don`t notice things.
(# ,, and yes l noticed brexit/legs-it and noticed you-lot didn`t, including the resident feminista, but that`s another story, but a good example)
so,,,,much garbage going on in Australia and around the world it `IS`(#very) difficult to keep up,,,,
# ,, absolutely agree, and braying media don`t really help most of the time either.
Wake,,,,up? To what? One Nation? NXT? Nationals? Derryn Hinch? Katter? Lambie? Bernardi? WHO?,,,,
# ,, make-up ya`OWN mind. l am just pointing-out the duopoly have been shoulder-to-shoulder when marching the nation down the facism-road and ripping away citizens rights. Do you really think EITHER are the answer?
The Australian needs to get out of the political gotcha moment culture it now has against one side of politics. We also need to introduce laws like Canada where you must publish the Truth. But that is a laugh when Murdoch controls so much of our media and both sides seem to bow to his authority.
shane,,,,Throws accusations at the other side while demanding she did nothing wrong. I hate both sides for their theft but this woman is truly a nut job,,,,
# ,, oh yeah, bronny-copter is a life-long blue blood of the north-shore, nobody would be more `entitled` in their own mind than her. Unfortunately team-knife are so incompetent and coated in own-dirt, they can`t/don`t capitalize on the harbourside`n north-shore imposed unfairness.
shane,,,,introduce laws like Canada where you must publish the Truth,,,,
# ,, agree we should have had law like canadia years ago, agree we won`t get`em due to rest of braying medias `infactuation` with rupert press.
# ,, teh-oz hasn`t made profit for over a decade now, and exists because jonestown and boltsville mast-head profits props teh-oz up.
# ,, once the public in jonestown and boltsville decide to stop supporting (buying) local rupert garbage, teh-oz `and` local rupert garbage should disappear. We can only await that glorious new era. (-:
(canoetown, bananatown and rest, markets too small to save rupert press)
Even Paul keating agrees about our zombie economics..
And this is what zombie economics has got us AO 😦
Late last Friday, Australia’s Treasury quietly released a nifty statistic. It revealed that government gross debt is now $483,080,000,000.00. That’s $483.1 billion.
Of this, $213.1 billion has been added by the Coalition since the 2013 election. This is more than the Labor governments of Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard added in their six years and nine months.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2017/03/26/coalition-debt-exceeds-labor/
And this is what zombie economics has got us AO
If they were the stats for a Labor govt there would be screeching and screaming from the rooftops, we would all be doomed and the world as we knew it would have ended.
But, it’s the libs, so no need to worry, it’ll all be fixed with a wink & a nod!
“”If they were the stats for a Labor govt there would be screeching and screaming from the rooftops,””
So true.
What ever happened to the budget emergency they were screaming about a few years ago?
mcmanus,,,,experiments in privatisation had failed(#miserably),,,,#agree
# ,, but this bit
McManus,,,,declared that `neo-liberalism` had run its course,,,,#wrong
# ,, even if neo-teabagism was halted immediately, and a full recovery system was put in place by Govt, there would still be `about` 35-years of wreckage in the pipeline; still to flow.
# ,, there has already been too much of the population that has had too much of their own `earning-capacity` squandered under neo-teabagism; leaving them without super, home, or finance for the `needed` requirements to live in Aust.
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# ,, armchair, l saw part of mcmanus press club speech; and she seems impressive. l hope she doesn`t grubby herself with `corrupt-looking` deals; as on first look; she looks a very promising leader; and at the moment; l would quite happily swap her for blib.
… we would all be doomed and the world as we knew it would have ended.
Mmmmm … it may actually have done so, KL.
Liberal The Economic Managers, hey? Talk, talk, talk, talk … buy the Actionless Liberal Puppets at your local toy shop! They talk but they can’t walk …
And today we have a Special Offer … The Sunshine State Liquid Sunshine Display Bottle … a beautiful clear plastic bottle containing clear Liquid Sunshine fresh from Queensland … just $5* a bottle plus shipping and handling (we combine S&H) …
5% will be donated to TARP …
Of this, $213.1 billion has been added by the Coalition since the 2013 election. This is more than the Labor governments of Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard added in their six years and nine months.
I thought you lefties said debt was not a problem. By the way that statement cannot be true.
Swan ran deficits of $-27B, $-54B, $-47B, $-43B, $-18B and $-48B. That is a total of $237B of debt added under Rudd/Gillard.
The author does not understand the difference between net and gross debt. Gross debt may have been $58B when the Coalition lost office but net debt was $-44B. Yes that is minus $44B ie less than zero. Rudd ran through all that $44B in the bank before we stated to have a positive figure for debt
Hey teabags, Just let me know when toolman or the clowntown teabags start kicking the shit out of bananaland premier for `power` failure and `creating` cyclones. (-:
…as on first look; she looks a very promising leader; and at the moment; l would quite happily swap her for blib…
I like her too, I think she is a very hard worker. I have noticed how quickly Bill distances himself and Labor from her and other union reps whenever they are in the news.
Bill will look after Bill’s career, I have no doubt about that, he is so determined not to be wedged by the libs that he disappoints me every time. I always feel Bill’s labor is part of the problem, not the solution, but would love to be wrong about them.
“…Our economic debate would be much better if we were honest about who is rich and who is poor, and not pretend we’re all in the middle somewhere…”
Does earning $180,000 make you rich? Let’s not pretend about who’s rich and who’s poor
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/30/does-earning-180000-make-you-rich-lets-not-pretend-about-whos-rich-and-whos-poor?CMP=soc_567
And this is what zombie economics has got us AO
In 2006 govt debt was zero. In 2007 it was less than zero ($-44B). It was the ALP who started a runaway debt truck
Actually nil, as you well know, it was a little thing called the GFC
Is it just me, or does she sound a bit like yomm?
Michaelia Cash fails to justify claim low-paid workers often in high-income households
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/30/michaelia-cash-fails-to-justify-claim-low-paid-workers-often-in-high-income-households?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
How lost is our grubmint?
Actually nil, as you well know, it was a little thing called the GFC
And it was socialist reckless spending/lending which led to the GFC. Not neoliberal economics whatever that is.
And it was socialist reckless spending/lending which led to the GFC
Go on, give us your already discredited link
SA exporting it’s wind technology 🙂
This:
View at Medium.com
Brad Norington, who apparently doesn’t know the difference between a Students Union and Uni Union, was on the UNSW Students Union in 1983. pic.twitter.com/731zuK6dvt
— Paul Kidd (@paulkidd) March 30, 2017
KL! Are implying that The Australian (ie Mordochs Fake News) set out to defame the new Secretary of the ACTU?
I don’t believe it! Shocked! Stunned!
Is it just me, or does she sound a bit like yomm?
Nah … even ToM couldn’t make so much dumb shit up … and we’ve picked up “ghost” writers before …
Although TR, ToM’s always been a bit shy of links too and prefers beliefs or thinks or opinions …
reb of Melbourne
March 30, 2017 3:40 pm
This:
And you really only ONE reason not ten … (although they all strike a chord especially 1 and 10!)
Liberal Economic Managers? … couldn’t manage a fk in a brothel!
BTW … The Sunshine State Liquid Sunshine Display Bottles … are flying off the shelves … (and coincidentally the wind has just picked up a notch!)
Go on, give us your already discredited link
Why don’t you give me a link which shows neo-liberal economics caused the GFC?
My understanding is that reckless spending/lending caused the GFC. That is something lefties do.
quickly,,,,Bill distances himself and Labor from her and other union reps whenever,,,,
# ,, anything even `mildly` frightening appears and blib starts trying to look as `teabag-lite` as possible, which l find quite sickening.
blib,,,,will look after Bill’s career,,,, ,,determined not to be wedged by the libs,, ,,disappoints me every time,, ,,Bill`s labor is part of the problem,, ,,love to be wrong about them,,,, #DITTo!!
# ,, did ya`see blibz me-too performance in bananaland, me-too-ing and standing beside talkbull as they pissed in each others pockets.
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grogsgamut,,,,politicians and those in the media unwilling to label even the very highest earners as wealthy. Such an attitude has engendered policy which favours high income earners, even as the gap between the rich and poor continues to grow,,,,
# ,, while l`m sure grogs numbers and data are correct; one thing l notice is nobody is calling `bullshit` on the uselessness of data labelled `household-income`. Like ilo/abs bullshit unemployment numbers; the household number/s is often bulolshit too, a `household` getting 60k-pa would be labelled `NOT-POOR`.
# ,, A `house-hold` of 4-people on pension/s ARE poor and struggle to function normally.
Where’s the fun in that..? Besides, someone’s gotta take up the slack now that ToSY’s fucked off..
You do have a way with words, sreb … seems you’ve managed to peeve the remaining
rightiesTories right off …Did you guys know its raining here pissing down in Brissy!
Who’s in Sydney?
Wha-a-a-a-a-T!
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/mustafa-bashir-wont-face-jail-for-beating-his-wife-because-she-was-too-intelligent/news-story/8e1a1f551751cc9714f3f99ad5eb0cb8
“(read it and weep wally)”
Weep about what ?
Her LinkedIn account created by her was wrong in the name of the body then when requested to answer questions she refused. I notice she has now changed it.
Asked if anything else was wrong on her LinkedIn cv she refused to answer
She has a bit of a background of incompetence. She accused Groton of killing 5
She’s incompetent
Chuckle …
Cyclone hits Queensland
Did the entire state go into blackout ?
Nope
Her LinkedIn account created by her was wrong in the name of the body
It wasn’t ‘wrong’, it just wasn’t the complete name. As she pointed out, it’s a linkedin account [which isn’t a cv]
Asked if anything else was wrong on her LinkedIn cv she refused to answer
I still love this
“ACTU sources said the union movement didn’t bother responding to questions from the Australian any more because they were “irrelevant”.”
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Here’s a tip wally, don’t use the lolstayan as a sauce, or, if you do, verify their story for them 😉
And here comes the lol, attacking another messenger
The hotel cleaner Labor paraded before TV cameras yesterday to campaign against the government on penalty rate cuts is a union branch executive member who cannot be sure her employer will reduce her pay.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/humble-cleaner-margarita-murraystark-a-union-campaigner/news-story/21a898d3ef136bc339333f598c64141a
Exactly how does it matter if she is a Union member?
And their best defense is ‘they might not pass on the cuts we have enabled’ ROFL
(and pigs might fly)
“As she pointed out, it’s a linkedin account [which isn’t a cv]”
Err……….most competent people would still get it right. Especially when you are in a senior position and hence usually paying for the subscription.
It’s the same as stating you worked for McDonalds when it was actually Hungry Jacks
Yeah………I can see how you’d get it mixed up………if you are a dumbfucker
It’s the same as stating you worked for McDonalds when it was actually Hungry Jacks
How so? They are different words
And upon further reading, she didn’t even leave anything out, that was my mistake.
She was President of the Macquarie University student union, as her linkedin said, not the student union council, as the dope cliamed.
Do you see how words work now wally.
So, a journalist
makes a false claimlies, and it’s the targets fault he’s an idiotShall I get you another shovel so you can dig further?
Speaking of shovels. Priceless
http://www.theshovel.com.au/2017/03/30/michaelia-cash-low-income-found-in-high-income-households/
https://twitter.com/jeremysear/status/847580397500223488
Is wally brandis?
“Is wally brandis?”
You could be on to something there… 😉
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Did the entire state go into blackout ?
Nope … but the bit that has lost power is twice as big as SA … and that’s ’cause the fkn power poles fell over …
Your point?
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-power-outages-the-deadly-risk-now-cyclone-debbie-is-over/news-story/c78de2f2d4bfb2afc19e5a1a1b0234ab
http://www.mygc.com.au/ex-tc-debbie-rolling-updates-power-outages/
Shall I get you another shovel so you can dig further?
Please!!!!
Hate to disappoint everyone but we’ve run out of The Sunshine State Liquid Sunshine Display Bottles
We do still have some cans of Pure Liquid Sunshine if anyone is interested.
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“Your point?”
The point is that a cyclone hitting part of the state did not throw the entire state into blackout.
Aisle 10 of Bunnings………….get your own shovel
The point is that a cyclone hitting part of the state did not throw the entire state into blackout.
That’s a good thing then …
The cyclone didn’t hit all the state … its a big state … where it hit is still blacked out … mainly ’cause the power lines got blown down … but they’ll just put ’em back up again and get ’em blown down again and then they’ll … ad infinitum … false economy …
Just been reading about the 18C defeat to the government …
… since Bill Leak’s death, every time I have read something about 18C, it reminds me of the articles about Bill Leak’s death where so many people said he was stressed over the attacks on him for his cartoon … one going as far as saying “it probably caused his death” …
Does anyone else see the irony in that?
“Does anyone else see the irony in that?”
No…………..because it’s the “process”
For Neil…
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And then gagging debate on it.
Seems to be the Attorney General’s “process” for most things …
Strange how quiet media are on debt & deficit these days when it was top news under Labor
Well not really, its still Labor’s fault isn’t it? 😉
No…………..because it’s the “process”
What, that killed the cartoonist?
Does anyone else see the irony in that?
Should I explain it to him, TR?
Could take a while … it would include the word “empathy” … and a smattering of “sympathy” …
Quite removed from … debit and credit and profit and loss (oops) …
saying,,,,`it probably caused his death` ,, Does anyone else see the irony in that?,,,,
# ,, oh yes, had one of the aboriginals died that was being harrassed by the convicted racist, and somebody said that, limited-news would have gone into meltdown.
# ,, the same type of irony is in play over russia at the moment, the `real-deal` convinced rustbelters to vote for the-ronald, (brexit, teresa, blib, master-chef) apparently it had nothing to do with democracys going to shit. lt was `all` the real-deal. (-:
Could take a while … it would include the word “empathy” … and a smattering of “sympathy” …
Just don’t use “harass” 😉
I see xon has shown he’s a big L lib again.
People will wake up to him, sooner than later I’d hope
Hey teabags. There is NO dog. Ya`just a bunch of pedo-defenders. After all, if there was a dog, and floods and cyclones are dogs wrath; then dog should have been able to hit the den-of-evil in clowntown by now. Not blow away half of bananaland and wash away half of jonesland.
I see xon has shown he’s a big L lib again.
Well spotted that man!
Xylophone is also a big M moron … read and weep …
…People will wake up to him, sooner than later I’d hope…
I’m already awake to him.
Has there ever been any progressive independents? I only ever see ‘liberals-in-disguise’.
l didn`t catch enough of the xeno topic until latelineland, that one-off bullshit for pensioners, big fcuking deal, very disappointing to see xeno be a teabag selling-out pensioners, even if he was making some gains for canoeland power.
… that one-off bullshit for pensioners, big fcuking deal,
Yep … poor trade a one off $260 million traded for multiple billions for YEARS – most of which will end up in the USA and other overseas companies …
Stupid is as stupid does!
We really are being pillaged and burned!
Where’s Joan of Arc when you need her!
For Neil…
That tweet is a load of crap. I replies to Billionaire Jewells
most of which will end up in the USA and other overseas companies …
I would think most small business is local. Things like pubs, clubs, cleaning companies. I would be surprised if any of the small business tax cut would go overseas
The “small” businesses you refer to are way under $50million turnover … and why should they pay less than ordinary citizens?
People like ToM, pay 45% (well supposed to anyway) 😉
“………most of which will end up in the USA and other overseas companies …”
Really…………….but you Lefties are constantly accusing overseas companies of paying no tax. So how can they benefit from a tax cut ?
You really like to have it both ways…………….as Splatter would have said its just a gigantic circle jerk from your side
But this is more dribble data ,,,,$50million-turnover,,,, l take it that `turnover` means `gross-income` of the biz? And once again NO other data that helps viewers understand. Just what is the `usual` other elements of this size biz? Gross-profit? Net-profit? boardroom-salary? dividend/return%? taxpaid? ETC l am always unconvinced by these blue-sky statements. For all we know 50-mill income might only have 2-mill expenses and result in 48-mill profit before tax. There is never ANY proper data released along with these type of teabag bleatings.
accusing overseas companies of paying no tax. So how can they benefit from a tax cut ?
Little Tax waly, little tax
Soon to be, VERY little tax
I would think most small business is local
Well, show us how much of the $50Bil is going to local, small business. All studies I’ve seen into it show that most is going overseas, to benefit other countries.
… and why should they pay less than ordinary citizens?
The idea is to help small business employ more people. especially those who lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard
most,,,,of which will end up in the USA and other overseas companies,,,,
# ,, from what l`ve seen, that`s true, and the big-4 banks swallow a big chunk of it too.
blubbering,,,,you Lefties are constantly,,,, ,,,,gigantic circle jerk from your side,,,,
# ,, yet when there is an `actual` opportunity for the so-called accountant (#guffaw) to put some actual `knowledge` into the thread, he once again kicks an OWN-GOAL by only posting ad-homs and troll-statements.
from what l`ve seen, that`s true,
Link? So the local pub i spend Saturday night at sends its profits overseas?
Investment bank says only 30% of the money forgone in corporate tax cuts is likely to contribute to economic growth
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jun/01/goldman-sachs-analysis-of-company-tax-cut-finds-benefits-would-go-offshore
Link? So the local pub i spend Saturday night at sends its profits overseas?
Read the comments properly before replying … some of the “gain” will go to your local pub … but I bet the staff levels aren’t increased … because your income will reduce in time in so many ways you won’t be able to afford to go to the pub and then the publican will reduce staff … and their will be even less tax paid … and the economy will slowly churn to a stop … then we will have to fight someone else’s war ’cause they are in trouble …
its just a gigantic circle jerk from your side of politics … the Elites …
Nearly 350 Australians have parked funds in Swiss bank accounts managed by financiers and lawyers promoting tax-evasion schemes, the federal government says.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/01/hundreds-of-australians-identified-with-funds-in-swiss-bank-accounts
Bet they don’t earn $60,000 pa … and I’d bet they have negatively geared property … !
its just a gigantic circle jerk from your side of politics
On my side of politics unemployment went from 8% in 1996 to 4% in 2007. The current unemployment rate is the lowest it ever got under Hawke/Keating. Unemployment was at 11% when Keating became PM.
I find it funny when a ALP supporter care about unemployment
I find it funny when a ALP supporter care about unemployment
Twisted sense of humour …
… matches the lack knowledge, education and life/work experience I guess …
s’OK tho’, you’re not the only one …
On my side of politics unemployment went from 8% in 1996 to 4% in 2007.
Yea, thanks for that Keating 😉
AO
Peter Andren, the best politician ever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Andren
Yea, thanks for that Keating
Unemployment was at 11% when Keating became PM. By the way the current unemployment rate is the lowest it ever got under Hawke/Keating.
Unemployment was at 11% when Keating became PM. By the way the current unemployment rate is the lowest it ever got under Hawke/Keating.
Your ignorance knows no bounds … it’s 2017 not 1987 … you really are an uneducated twit!
Well people are saying how high unemployment is. The current rate is the low point for the Hawke/Keating govt. The fact is Howard took unemployment to 4.3%. I doubt we will ever see that again because people wanted the rock star Rudd.
Crap Shane. The only dude that went to parliament with good intentions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
Did you read the link drain ? Not crap in my eyes and the eyes of many other swinging voters.
I have a 50/50 feeling towards the Coalition but the ALP locked up 50,000 people from 2007-2013. You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.
Apparently we spent $12B housing all the people the ALP locked up from 2007-2013 and $3B/year since. So we are up to $20B wasted on a problem John Howard had solved.
I detest the ALP/Greens. People who do nothing but destroy the lives of people.
Of course l read da-link shane, l wouldn`t have been able to razz you if l didn`t. (-: l see why ya`like the guy, but l don`t get carried away with `heros-past` too much. The world we live in is getting stupidier by the moment. Take a look around and see how often some folk wear their `imbecility` proudly as a badge of honor.^
This isn’t about boosting jobs & growth. It’s about rewarding donors, creating more budget pressure to be eased by deflating spending cuts
Too funny. When Keating became PM unemployment was at 11%. The man has no idea how to create a job. Neither does the ALP.
The ALP only knows how to lock up 50,000 people
Should we kill 333 Adult Japanese People to confirm they are healthy and breeding well ?. It disgusts me, we have all changed our culture over the centuries and it is time Japan did the same. Just because it was done 100 years ago does not make it right inn this century.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/whale-watch/japan-kills-333-whales-in-antarctic-20170331-gvbfva.html
AO Keating is right as I have pointed out before. Business has had tax cuts of over 38% over the years and how many Banks, Service Industries, Retail etc employ more than 38% of the full time equivalent than they did before the tax cuts.
Profits are still growing bigger every year while employees are screwed to no wage increase at all while the big boys at the top pocket obscene bonuses. A business will only ever hire the amount of staff absolutely needed and if they think they will need more staff when their customers who are employees and pensioners get shafted is just stupidity on a grand scale from the greedy corps wanting to make their profits higher at citizens expense.
This tax cut voodoo economics is such a smoke and mirrors deception by the top.
I am not sure why anybody takes any notice of what Keating says. We had almost 3 years of double digit unemployment under him. Unemployment was at 11% when he became PM
I guess he is part of the ALP team and people on the same team don’t care about facts.
We had almost 3 years of double digit unemployment under him.
When Keating became PM unemployment was at 11%.
On my side of politics unemployment went from 8% in 1996 to 4% in 2007.
Something about ‘trajectory’ comes to mind, so I’m just gonna let that sit and fester fer a bit 😉
No unemployment was high for all 13 years under Hawke/keating. I think the average was 8% for all those years.
Oh shane, just prepare your harpoon. We will all need to engage in a little `scientific-japping`, `scientific-boardrooming`, and `scientific-clowntowning` sooner or later.
#get.with.the.program
grogsgamut,,,,In effect Howard was a very good downhill skier. Good at looking good while things were easy; but the Rudd (and Gillard and Keating) governments were much better at outperforming the rest of the world. And surely that is the best guide of economic management,,,,
# ,, the damn pinkists at guardian are stealing my quotes again teabags
… so I’m just gonna let that sit and fester fer a bit …
I know what should fester … I get headache from shaking my head … and realigning my eyes!
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Spent all day putting the new 55″ TV on the wall … discovered cable pockets and used those too!
The Minister is exceptionally happy with the result! Me too 🙂
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And surely that is the best guide of economic management,,,,
Some people don’t “get” context, tbagz …
,In effect Howard was a very good downhill skier. Good at looking good while things were easy;
You lefties are deluded. Govt is never easy.
Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution and we got 50,000 boat people costing us i estimate $20B so far. The GFC had nothing to do with that. It was bad govt policy to dismantle the PS.
++++Govt is never easy.++++
LOL! Unless you are a Labor govt. … LOL!
Howard/Costello made govt look easy because they knew what they were doing. Lefties are too stupid to understand.
FFS! BOOM!
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Looks like Xenophon has had his Meg Lees moment by getting into bed with the LNP over the tax cuts and has sold his soul.
From all the comments I am reading appears the Xenophon Party will be toast at the next election and go the way of the Democrats.
Looks like Xenophon has had his Meg Lees moment
Meg Lees did the right thing. The GST is a good tax. The best thing about it is that it taxes people who avoid taxes. Even criminals have to shop and they have to pay GST on what they buy. If i had the power i would put the GST on everything and not exclude food.
reb
Looks like the newspoll result is slowly catching up to the ipsos poll. Newspoll gone from 4 to 6.
If i had the power i would put the GST on everything and not exclude food.
To make it even harder for poorer people to survive … GST is a regressive tax … hurts the bottom end of society … the Elites have so much disposable income an increase in GST is a blip on the screen …
Fresh food is not included for a very good reason … think about it … oh, wait!
You really should go back to school … I know its school holidays but ask you mum if she can find a tutor …
Why is the world populated by morons!
Why are these Dickwits© still in government … when will these cock-eyed (or should I say twat-eyed) brain-farts come to an end …
These wankers couldn’t find a pea in fkn pod!
Where do they live? Elysium?
Join TARP today! The Australian Revolution Party – so much to cover, so little time!
Fresh food is not included for a very good reason
It makes the GST more complicated and expensive to operate when you have exemptions. I take your point but 10% on everything may not be as bad as you think. It would also pick up money from tourists who shop in Australia
Why are these Dickwits© still in government
Unemployment went from 4.3% to 5.8% under Labor and the budget went from a $20B surplus to a $27B deficit within 12 months. You really think Labor has any solutions?
You really think Labor has any solutions?
More than this mob (eg, Gonski, NBN, NDIS …….)
Mr Denmore got his numbers right which is unusual for a Labor supporter. Although i think debt at 12% of GDP is the number when Labor lost govt for debt.
However it should never be forgotten that net debt was minus 3.8% of GDP ie less than zero when Rudd won govt. We were one of the few countries in human history with no govt debt until Rudd/Gillard trashed the budget
You keep forgetting about a little thing called the GFC nil.
Is that on purpose?
The GFC does not explain a turnaround of a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit withing 12 months. We did not get a massive $47B drop in revenue in one year due to the GFC
Mr Denmore got his numbers right which is unusual for a Labor supporter.
Getting numbers right is often the easy part understanding the factual evidence of how they come about is something else … that you seem to grasp … the mining boom was not a result of government policy … but the results for ordinary Australians should have been far better than Howard/Costello managed … the GFC for instance is some kind of fantasy for you … not real … not impacting on the NUMBERS … as for Australia being part of the world … that to seems to escape you wandering grasp … the present fiasco with natural gas is the same as the mining boom – poorly managed by the government to the point that Australians can’t supply themselves with enough gas and at better prices than the Japanese selling Australian gas … and we have the largest supply in the world … once again the Elites robbing the Peasants … with the collusion of the Government …
FKN Sheriff of Nottingham and King John all over again … I can’t wait to see what Robin Hood looks like!
A Never Ending Story …
This is a devestating assessment of malcaymans destruction of the NBN, and the resultant WASTE of $Billions in taxpayer dollars.
The current situation is a result of the change to the MTM with its totally unrealistic timetables (every premise in Australia to have at least 25Mb/s by the end of 2016) and unrealistic financials (peak funding to be $29 billion, now $46-49 billion).
The original project was, of course, made more difficult by the unrelenting attacks on everything that NBN Co did in the 2009 to 2013 period. Statements were made by the then Shadow Minister that: two satellites were not needed as there was already plenty of satellite capacity, that the projected take-up rate was way too optimistic, that the ARPU projections were ridiculously high.
He has proven to be wrong on every one of these issues as he was on the MTM costs and timing. He was equally wrong on his statements that the original FttP would have needed $94 billion in peak funding – where he got that number from I have no idea.
Unfortunately, almost all of his pronouncements were treated as well-informed criticism by much of the media at the time.
http://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/77533-nbn-mess-blame-laid-squarely-at-turnbull-s-feet.html
It was also known at the time that this woould be hte result, but the ‘free speech’ warriors silenced anyone who stated the obvious.
The GFC does not explain a turnaround of a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit withing 12 months.
It does if you are a practitioner of history, especially history as it happened, not as it was re-written by murdor
the mining boom was not a result of government policy … but the results for ordinary Australians should have been far better than Howard/Costello managed
The mining boom did not start until 2004. Money from the boom was banked by the H/C govt. Biggest boom in history happened from 2008-2013 ie under Rudd/Gillard
http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/commodity-prices.html
Commodity prices are still higher than any time from 1996-2007
nil, a ‘mining boom’ is not just about commodity prices, it is also about how much is being bought (amongst other things)
try and keep up
Thanks for reminding me. Mining exports like coal and iron ore also exploded along with commodity prices. The best terms of trade EVAH happened from 2007-2013
hmm, terms of trade hey nil
What else happened around the time it went up like that?
Well i was mainly replying to TBs comment that H/C wasted the mining boom. It was one of the first lies i was told by lefties. I had assumed it started in 1996 and ended in 2007 based on ALP comments. It actually started in 2004 and Howard saved the extra revenue from the boom. It actually exploded from2008-2013 and commodity prices are still high and TOT are OK so why is the budget in deficit?
One Nation has undertaken a restructure that solidifies the power of federal leader, Pauline Hanson, and her chief of staff, James Ashby, making them president and secretary of a new incorporated entity.
Chief of fkn staff … is Hanson “the president” now … what fkn nonsense …
And Ashby corporate secretary!? … how fkn dangerous is that … a decade ago the LNP would be slavering as The Mad Abbott gave chase … awhooooo!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/04/one-nation-restructure-makes-james-ashby-party-secretary
(every premise in Australia to have at least 25Mb/s by the end of 2016)
Well sometime between April and May … we are scheduled to have NBN … my current speed is 36Mbps … on “fast” cable … other members of my family – in the same street – until “recently” were getting 100Mbps on CABLE …
I look forward to providing you with exciting or (expected) shitty news …
It actually exploded from2008-2013 and commodity prices are still high and TOT are OK so why is the budget in deficit?
Because the PRICE of commodities including iron and coal fluctuate – you dolt!
I promised myself I wouldn’t reply to this crap (thanks TR!) … must be the “facilitator of learning” in me …
It’s going to be hilarious to witness the unravelling of One Notion in the coming weeks not to mention the summersaults of Cormann and Michaeilia White Trash..
Because the PRICE of commodities including iron and coal fluctuate – you dolt!
What is your point?
My point is that Howard did not waste the boom since it did not start until 2004 and the Coalition saved $50B in their last 3 budgets. But if anybody wasted the boom it was Labor since the boom happened between 2008-2013
So small business is being screwed by big business and not unions. I have no doubt the response from this government will be deafening silence just like the disgrace in the franchise industry and the hundreds of millions of theft of wages from employees.
Unless it involves a union we maintain silence!! If it involves a union we hysterically scream from the top of our lungs about the damage being done by unions. The ideology stands out a mile.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/small-business/finance/pretty-close-to-extortion-mars-kelloggs-and-fonterra-pushing-loans-on-small-business-20170331-gvb56f.html
reb
Did you watch 4 corners, I haven’t seen it , is it worth watching ?
Yes Shane, definitely worth watching…Especially to see the level of vitriol coming from former Hanson supporters…
I’m still at the pub, and so far, nobody has been able to tell me about the benefits of the company tax.
I will persevere (for the cuntry) 😉
I can. It gives small business mare money to spend. maybe even put on some extra staff.
maybe even put on some extra staff.
prove it.
A business will already have the staff it needs to operate
Any extra taxpayer dollars will go one place, profits
Well if a pub gets a higher profit the owner may use the money to clean the carpets, upgrade the bathroom etc and that will create some extra work.
I wonder who said this ?
“This measure will provide an immediate fillip to business confidence, as well as permanently increase both the incentive for companies to retain earnings and the relative attractiveness of corporate investment in Australia, with consequential beneficial effects on employment.”
Answer…………….Paul Keating 1993
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-29/fact-check-labor-on-corporate-tax-cuts/7549754
Shane!! agree, xeno did a meg, and will probably pay for it #what.a.dill
Dumbfcuk!! gst is good for poor, in the same way bullets are good for teabags #what.a.dill
Shane!! ,,,,small business is being screwed by big business and not unions (#or-workforce),,,, #CORRECT
Reb!! pauline`n arseby need to `explain-the plane` #4corners
Shane!! agree with reb, watch it #4corners
Armchair!! RE ultra-teabagism gormless hoax, fairfax provided a working example of why the teabags keep bullshitting their way thru, everybody else fcuks about with fluff #save.the.swampers
Armchair!! RE Freeing up the rich to exploit the poor, this has good explainers in it on how the teabags keep winning, but they crueled themself by trying to blame the-ronald and brexit. None of it (like-fairfax) was the reason rustbelters voted brexit/the-ronald.
“We will cut the company tax rate to 29 per cent for all Australian companies to stimulate investment across the economy … A lower company tax rate will increase investment, raise productivity, and increase the real wages of working Australians.”
-‘Creating jobs and skills in Australia’ Labor election policy 2010
“I stand for bringing the budget back to surplus in 2013 because we want the Government to have a strong balance sheet. I stand for cutting company tax because that’s going to help our businesses grow and help them offer people jobs.”
-Julia Gillard 2010 election Community Forum
“What this proposal, as well-meaning as it might seem, what it fails to recognise is that we need to encourage employment participation, not greater welfare dependency. Friends, corporate tax reform helps Australia’s private sector grow and it creates jobs right up and down the income ladder.”
-Bill Shorten March 2011
“Cutting the company income tax rate increases domestic productivity and domestic investment. More capital means higher productivity and economic growth and leads to more jobs and higher wages.”
-Bill Shorten August 2011
So now `you` are relying on blib`n jooLiar quotes? l just don`t find them as `meaningful` as you do blubbers.
Answer…………….Paul Keating 1993
Its now 2017! that was 24 years ago and we all paid taxes – even companies … well maybe not you …
And the rest of your comments reflect different times and certainly different ideological decisions …
The government has been running the kindy for over four years … and we are swamped in debt … the country is bordering on revolution … and going backwards economically …
Keating would never have given the money sucking Elite leechers a massive honey pot … at the expense of the casual and part time workers of Australia …
As for the Bill Shorten quotes … that too was long before the real greed was evident to most people … particularly politicians … most Aussies are not feeling like Aussies … they are feeling like Automatons being used and abused by the Elites … as usual!
A company tax cut will not stimulate this economy any more than cutting welfare to people who are in desperate need …
Decisions based upon compassion and understanding will always reap better benefits to the nation that those decisions based upon PROFIT AT ANY COST!
neel!
What’s amusing about neel is that he accuses the ALP of doing all the things and making all the decisions that the LNP make …
And anyone who has worked for any business knows that they will not put on more staff … they always work to the minimum and then use overtime with existing staff … so what a great reason to reduce penalty rates …
It is one big ideological con job … and Aussies are (finally – once again) waking up to the BULLSHIT
BTW … ToM pays more than 90% of Aussies now!
What a luvvie …
Which govt did this?
Economic reform included the floating of the Australian dollar, deregulation of the financial system, dismantling of the tariff system, privatised state sector industries, ended subsidisation of loss-making industries, and the sale of the state-owned Commonwealth Bank of Australia. A fringe benefits tax and a capital gains tax were implemented.
l quite enjoyed the link-free hogwash. Really, who the fcuk ever believed jooLiar or blib anyway? We all know profits will `soar` once we strangle as much of the `consumer-side` of the economy as possible. Nothing is stronger for profits than consumers with insufficient jobs and insufficient pensions.
Wow! somebody was going to have quite a party, nearly a ton(90%) of `ice`. #sbsnews Can you imagine the size of the `esky`? The plod went on to say it won`t make a dent in the amount on the streets. #yaaay.prohibition
Anna it all happened after the privatisation of the CBA when the charter of the bank changed from “Providing a service to the people of Australia” to ‘Profit for shareholders”. It allowed all the banks at the time to slash services and close branches and centralise everything. When a discharge which used to take on average 1 day now takes on average 21 days there is something seriously wrong with the system.
Another glaring example of privatisation gone mad. Medicare is now another classic example
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-bankers-association-head-anna-bligh-concedes-banks-face-implosion-of-public-trust-20170405-gvdzi0.html
Thanks reb and drain will watch it when I get a chance.
Just another day of business ripping off workers wages not a union !
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/retail/united-petroleum-busted-by-fair-work-ombudsman-for-underpaying-staff-20170405-gveaps.html
Decisions based upon compassion and understanding will always reap better benefits to the nation that those decisions based upon PROFIT AT ANY COST!
I think that is why Labor abolished the Pacific Solution. Labor was more compassionate. 50,000 boat people and $20B latter Labor has yet to apologise for one of the biggest policy failures ever.
Apart from what TB said, that they are all completely different circumstances and rates, this stood out for me
The Gillard government argued that its tax cuts were affordable over the forward estimates, paid for by proceeds from the Minerals Resource Rent Tax in the context of a budget that was to return to surplus by 2013.
Similarly, the current Coalition Government says that its tax cuts are affordable over the forward estimates. It bases its calculations on assumptions and projections that may ultimately prove as inaccurate as those relied on by the Gillard government.
And projections that saw the budget return to surplus.
The projections now are for more deficits. So I think we can work out what ‘pays for’ this lot of cuts.
This is how lost the abc is.
Labor has yet to apologise for one of the biggest policy failures ever.
You ignore the libs role in this. The Malaysian Solution ring any bells?
Not to mention the ‘megaphone diplomacy’ yabot etal participated in at the time
You ignore the libs role in this. The Malaysian Solution ring any bells?
There you go again. A complete inability to say Labor got it wrong. Labor should have apologised and gone back to the Pacific Solution but were too proud to admit they got it wrong. They wanted their own solution which never would have worked. Abbott stopped the boats within one month of getting into power.
There are still 30,000 asylum seekers in detention costing us $3B/year
A complete inability to say Labor got it wrong
There you go again.
Your complete inability to recall what others say or do.
Why did you bring up the Malaysian Non-Solution? It never would have worked and was an abomination anyway. Just admit Labor got it wrong. Only an ALP supporter would agree to this
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-02/malaysia-swap-deal-on-youtube/2820400
The Immigration Department will film the first group of asylum seekers processed under the new refugee swap deal with Malaysia and post the video on YouTube.
The move is part of the department’s internet campaign to deter asylum seekers from making the trip to Australia by boat.
The department says the detainees will be filmed as they are moved from Christmas Island, board a plane to Malaysia and check into accommodation in the South-East Asian country.
It never would have worked
Then why did the libs block it?
(So, here we are, n-years later, with the ‘problem’ of ‘irregular migration’, its myriad causes and consequences, for all involved, solved; or, at least, we’re well on the way to solution; a solution which optimizes outcomes for everyone, and accounts for all the quantitative and qualitative costs and gains, for every person?)
(After n-years of building n-gulags for n-profit and hijacking n-boats on highsea containing n-boaties; we can calculate 1*0.95 n-percentage of boatproofing of clowntown fourshore; which generates n-zombie n-happiness. Provided we don`t mention da-planes.)
Shane!! Yes, l saw capt`n bligh on reportland explaining; how defending the gouging bank-monsters was good for consumers; and not a reversal of career; to leigh.
TomR
The correct answer is to apologise and say the ALP got it wrong. Abbott stopped the boats within one month of getting into power.
But apparently we have 30,000 boat people still in community detention costing us $3B/year. Perhaps they should be allowed to stay and let them go on the dole. It would be cheaper
Abbott stopped the boats within one month of getting into power.
Link?
But apparently we have 30,000 boat people still in community detention costing us $3B/year.
So what would you have done with the poor buggers … ?
The LNP government has been in power now for FOUR (repeat FOUR) YEARS +
Perhaps they should be allowed to stay and let them go on the dole. It would be cheaper
Oh! That’s the answer … based on profit and loss … what about finding them and there children a place in a peaceful society … educating them (and their children) and training them for work … what’s left of it … even the banks are going robot now … no tellers … and no money … (look it up) … shakes head …
The world is changing but we have morons running it from the 1950’s … where jobs were plentiful and civilian technology was a valve operated radio!
A long way from nano tech!
TB
You should be apologising for the mess you created.
So what would you have done with the poor buggers … ?
If it was me i most probably would let them stay but i am a weak human being. I have no idea what trouble that could cause.
Fact is there is large scale people movement around the world. I guess the poms up and left the EU because they lost control of their borders and they are being swamped by immigrants.
The Barnett government was in office for 8 1/2 years and has left the state in this position. So much for the LNP being better budget managers !
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wa-news/wa-has-the-worst-set-of-finances-since-the-great-depression-mcgowan-20170406-gvf03h.html
Bernie Fraser points out the obvious
Former Reserve Bank boss Bernie Fraser has savaged the Fair Work Commission’s cuts to penalty rates and the Turnbull government’s company tax cuts, saying the measures will further entrench inequality but do little to produce jobs and growth.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/former-rba-governor-bernie-fraser-says-penalty-rate-cut-will-produce-inequality-not-jobs-20170406-gvezd1.html
btw, what happened to our own wesley snipes last night. I missed his pastes of literal crap with which to rebut in the morning 🙂
The Barnett government was in office for 8 1/2 years and has left the state in this position.
I’m pretty sure that’s Bill Shortens fault you’ll find Shane 😉
You should be apologising for the mess you created.
No I shouldn’t … if you actually knew how to research anything you would find that KL and I particularly argued on this blog for onshore detention and release …
You’re the one that needs to apologise … for voting Labor …
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/turnbull-governments-threat-to-chase-down-multinationals-for-unpaid-taxes-ignores-one-big-contradiction/news-story/8ec5a3a68c6b462afd3f3f868cc2c768
I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy!
Oh TB, I don’t think it is ‘ignoring’ anything.
Just like the robodebt, it’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
The proposed company tax cuts for big business are like a ticking time bomb, with the revenue loss building significantly over time.
They are doing a costello all over again. And any shortfall, is just another excuse to kick the plebs. It’s Class Warfare writ large. Yet the media (and most especially their abc) only call it that when Shorten speaks.
They know where their bread is buttered.
Breaking news: about 30 mins ago, the US has launched 50-60 cruise missiles against Syrian military airbase – will Russia respond?
Breaking news: about 30 mins ago, the US has launched 50-60 cruise missiles against Syrian military airbase – will Russia respond?
And or Iran?
Trump’s not so funny now, hey?
I suggest someone sends him a copy of On The Beach – although it may already be too late …
Tom R
Of course it is Bill Shortens fault. Considering he has never been PM, yet he is blamed for everything under the sun.
… everything under the sun
Its Shorten’s fault if the sun don’t shine too, Shane!
Or if it’s too hot, too cold, too bright, too dull … ad nauseum …
Unfortunately sunshine blinds a lot of voters and that’s why TurnAbbott shifted to attacking Shorten rather than policies …
TB so true about the sun. Took Trump less than 6 months to launch some bombs even though he was against attacking Syria himself a few years ago.
can anyone recommend a good cheap printer to airprint with an ipad ?
https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/hp-deskjet-wireless-inkjet-mfc-printer-3632-hpdj3632?cm_mmc=google-_-pla-_-Inkjet%20Printers%20$26%20Multifunctions-_-HPDJ3632&cm_mmca1=NULL&cm_mmca3=conversion&cm_mmca9=columbus&CAWELAID=620015440001371096&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=34435309358&CATCI=pla-55733401733&catargetid=620015440002665561&cadevice=c&gclid=CMq4p77RkdMCFUhwvAodtTUFhg
Price $35
After reading the article … you’d have to say Bonnie & Clyde were terrorists … and Ned Kelly certainly was …
Murderous little thugs more like … and how come it took the police so long to catch them …
“Trump’s not so funny now, hey?”
At least he’s not like the useless Obama.
He’s sending a clear message to Asad by destroying an airbase. If you use chemicals expect to lose a lot of military assets
Replacement ink cartridge $35,000.
LOL
Just buy another printer
Replacement ink cartridge $35,000.
CLASSIC GOLD!
BTW, what’s “airprint” … WiFi?
We’ve owned a Fuji Xerox CP205W now for over a decade … colour laser and toner lasts for ages (easy to change too) … and photos are excellent quality and of course don’t fade.
He’s sending a clear message to Asad by destroying an airbase. If you use chemicals expect to lose a lot of military assets
Its a civil war, many factions too, in the middle of an ISIS insurgency … however much I dislike the bastard Assad and his vicious attacks really are not our business …
“Its a civil war…”
Trump’s message is “we know it’s a civil war”………………”But it needs to be a more civil civil war”
I just couldn’t resist 🙂
btw, welcome wes 😉
The molan-teabag has been on telly spouting the teabag tuff-talk in favor of the mess the-ronald just stepped-in. At least its a change from having to defend adf/a from sexually assaulting itself.
The Barnett government was in office for 8 1/2 years and has left the state in this position. So much for the LNP being better budget managers !
Well you win some you lose some. But it is nice to see the Coalition stuffing up the budget instead of Labor all the time.
Well you win some you lose some. But it is nice to see the Coalition stuffing up the budget instead of Labor all the time.
WTF?
In the Guardian article above, Lenore Taylor also tells us of a fellow reporter’s adjustment to Australian [Sydney] life from New York.
Taxi for Mr Cave?
Is Damien Cave, the Australia bureau chief for the New York Times, finding the adjustment to Sydney life harder than he anticipated? This week he offered a “few random Australia thoughts” which seemed a bit, you know … sad. Amid further complaints about the quality of the wifi and general cost of living, and fresh from his piece on “Australia’s Great Reef” – sic – the veteran of postings in Miami, New York City, Mexico City and Baghdad sounded somewhat gloomy.
In the Guardian article above, Lenore Taylor also tells us of a fellow reporter’s adjustment to Australian [Sydney] life from New York.
Lenore Taylor = Andrea Meade
thewest,,,,assigned a job to a medical priority-one customer,,,,
,,,,but her modem had not arrived. ,,,,if I did the job, she would have had no phone connection for I don`t know how long. Now I`m not doing that, so I contacted Service Stream but they said if you don`t do the job, you don`t get paid,,,,
# ,, this is the main problem with all this `outsaucing`, bulling results by `often` know-nothing money makers that only hoover-up the cash, while risking `publics` lives and denying the properly `trained-and law-abiding` the ability to do proper-job and money. Same problem in construction.
# ,, my bet is the public will fall victim to some serious `wreckage` in the future, due to zombie-outsaucing; under the false-dogs of `competition` and `economy`.
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# ,, on TV news l heard boltsville has around 80,000 empty `apartments` in the city(inner), l guess most folks don`t want to live in the high-rise glorified termite mounds. What a surprise. (-:
# ,, armchair try amanda meade
satpap,,,,aggressively pursuing repayment. Some 20,000 letters a week – as many as were formerly sent out in a year – were going out,,,,
# ,, on TV, talkbull is vigorously attaching himself to the-ronalds `anti-tyranny` syria bombing; while forgeting his teams iraq tyranny; and failing to remedy the zombie robo-tyranny, boatie-tyranny and personal liberty-tyranny.
# ,, the `selective` applications of various types of `tyranny` at-home and abroad are really quite `spectacular` now-a dayz aren`t they.
Centrelink leaks more private data
That really is reprehensible, on any measurement.
That really is reprehensible, on any measurement.
The really disgusting thing is that the ALP turned a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months. Destroying the budget most probably forever.
I think we are doomed and leftists do not care
Wow my favourite bottle of wine has dropped in price. You can now get Precious Earth for $2.69 at ALDI
https://www.aldi.com.au/en/groceries/liquor/wine/laundry-detail/ps/p/precious-earth-shiraz-merlot-2014/
And you can red wine even cheaper. You can get 4L of cask wine for $8.99. That is approx 5 bottles of wine.
https://www.aldi.com.au/en/groceries/liquor/wine/laundry-detail/ps/p/albertsons-reserve-soft-dry-red-cask/
Wait til TB finds out.
When the feds drop the ball, the state(?s) pick up the slack.
Renewable energy production in South Australia has hit the state’s target almost eight years ahead of schedule.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-10/south-australia-renewable-energy-target-reached-early/8429722
Looking forward to ulman the energy ex-spurts take on this
So much stoopid, so little time
Ah, aren’t we ‘led’ by some wonderful peeps AO 😦
Scott Morrison makes case for negative gearing change – despite ruling it out
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2017/apr/11/scott-morrison-makes-case-for-negative-gearing-change-despite-ruling-it-out?CMP=share_btn_tw
It’s clear that they rule for a specific group, isn’t it.
Ah, aren’t we ‘led’ by some wonderful peeps AO
Penny Wong has 3 properties. However the link says none of those are investment properties which i do not understand
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/03/pollies-cut-property-exposures/
Penny Wong (from 2 residential properties to 3, but no investment properties)
The experts agree, Turnbull’s NBN is ‘a national tragedy’
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/04/10/the-experts-agree-turnbulls-nbn-is-a-national-tragedy/
Except, none of these experts work at their abc …. anymore. This will prove to be one of the biggest job killers in our history. WITH the NBN, we would at least stay competitive. We will find ourselves a neglected backwater if the full fibre option isn’t run out.
And yet these bozzos want to cut into it even more in order to further line the pockets of investors at the expense of families
One-third of Australians are being underpaid superannuation
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/12/one-third-of-australians-are-being-underpaid-superannuation?CMP=soc_568
We will find ourselves a neglected backwater if the full fibre option isn’t run out.
There are 12 million premises in Australia. Looks like Labor will win the next election so they can complete the NBN by doing FTTP.
Just look at the list of privatisation ( selling our publicly owned assets to rich bastards to rape and pillage) for the 1990s alone. Check the list at the end. The bastard politicians have sold us out at every single opportunity to their mates. We will own absolutely nothing in the future and the pollies will still get their perks and pensions and allowances. The thieving pack of arseholes. This doesn’t include everything palmed off since December 1997 either.
Click to access bu-1297-2.pdf
This poll shows just what aussies think of privatisation yet the arseholes elected claim to have mandates to sell of the likes of Medibank Private. It should be law that we have a referendum before the sale of any public asset. Being elected does not entitle you the claim of a mandate to sell of anything, it simply means you were the least hated party at the time. hate the lot of you!!!!!
Down with my mum at the moment and she has received the letter that she needs to change her landline to the nbn. Rang Telstra who are apparently now organising it for her, however there are two glitches for my elderly mum that I can see.
1) Her cord phone probably will not work with the new fibre so she is going to have to get a new phone. Telstra will not say whether it will or wont work but they advise more likely it will not.
2) Her phone will not work in the event of a blackout which are far more common in the country and she will not have a mobile, so what do the old people do if something happens to them in a blackout, when all the druggies and thieves work out the elderly are helpless in a blackout ?
Forgot link on poll here it is. Apologies.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-11/lewis-and-woods-voters-still-sceptical-of-privatisation/6083982
, so what do the old people do if something happens to them in a blackout
That has always been the case with Labors NBN. These days it is not so much of a problem because most people have mobile phones which hopefully are charged before a blackout occurs. Apparently you can get a battery backup for the NBN which you have to pay for yourself.
Another disgraceful privatisation of a profit generating and sensitive government instrumentality without public approval. So sick of the sell off to greedy profit driven companies. No doubt the costs will increase massively like all the others adding to the cost of housing for first home buyers.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/nsw-land-titles-registry-leased-for-26-billion-to-hastings-funds-management-first-state-super-20170412-gvjcfw.html
There were always free battery backups available under the real NBN. I have no idea what the current situation is. They probably don’t either.
This mob have trashed so much.
There were always free battery backups available under the real NBN.
Do you have a link for that? But home phone not working has always been a feature of Labors NBN so you need a battery backup if the power fails.
Of course I do nil, but I was replying to Shane
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-users-complain-about-battery-backup-276366
It’s no wonder the libs don’t want to touch it, it feathers their nests
The latest tax data proves it: negative gearing benefits the rich the most
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2017/apr/13/the-latest-tax-data-proves-it-negative-gearing-benefits-the-rich-the-most?CMP=share_btn_tw
Tom R
Looks like another slash to the original NBN by the LNP.
Having to need battery backup sounds like an added hassle. This whole thing is just an abomination. And it looks like the NBN battery does not work well
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/nbns-cheap-inferior-batteries-lasting-only-a-third-of-expected-lifespan-angering-consumers-20151021-gken1y.html
NBN customers are becoming increasingly angry that a wall-mounted battery – once compulsory – is dying years earlier than expected, leaving them with a surprise, out-of-pocket maintenance cost.
And battery retailers say the NBN-supplied product is “cheap and inferior”, lasting only a tiny fraction of the expected lifespan……..The battery has been labelled as a “wall wart”, and was once the single biggest source of complaints from users in NBN test sites.
The old system had a UPS so the telephone worked during a blackout.
The old system had a UPS so the telephone worked during a blackout.
So, as I challenged you before, show me where you can buy a phone that will work without electricity in todays market?
Looks like another slash to the original NBN by the LNP
Shane
FTTP was not Labors original NBN. Labors original NBN was what they took to the 2007 election. It was supposed to be finished by 2013 and only cost $4.7B. It went nowhere.
The current NBN was thought up ob the back of a drinks coaster on some plane flight
Labor commits to investing up to $4.7 billion into a new high speed national broadband network for 98 per cent of Australians. This will be fibre optic to the node. 12 megabits per second – and capable of upscaling. It will be laid out over 5 years in partnership with the private sector
The current NBN was thought up ob the back of a drinks coaster on some plane flight
After much research and much input from professionals in the field
After much research and much input from professionals in the field
Sounds like you are speaking from a position of knowledge. The first thing you should do is
1.Apologise to Australia for telling lies in 2007. Rudd told a lie to win the 2007 election.
Furthermore you should tell us what this input from professionals was.
Shane should also front up and stop telling lies. No Shane, the current NBN was not Labors original NBN. Labors original NBN which was a lie to win the 2007 election was thrown into the bin.
The current NBN originated on the back of a drinks coaster on a plane flight because Conroy could not otherwise get approval from Rudd about what to do next.
fer nil
I was here a year ago @nd this blog was good.
Now just a boring echo chamber
Close it !
Alien
Is that because you do not like the echo ?
Is that because you do not like the echo ?
Just thought I’d echo that one 😉
After much research and much input from professionals in the field
Like to see some evidence for that. I would be interested to know whose idea the current NBN was.
faark nil
Don’t bloody ask again nil, consider this done and dusted. again.
NBN experts submit regulatory review to govt
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/273959/nbn_experts_submit_regulatory_review_govt/
TomR
There is nothing about NBNCo in that link. My understanding is that the Rudd govt put the NBN out for tender and nobody could be found to build it. I think your link is talking about the NBN Rudd took to the 2007 election.
So on the back of a drinks coaster the current NBN was born. The Rudd govt would establish a govt company to build a FTTP NBN coating at least 10x more than what they took to the 2007 election. I don’t think there was any research and input into the current NBN.
TomR
I think your link dated Jan 2009 is talking about tenders for Labors 2007 election policy which all failed. This is what Rudd announced a few months later.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/broadband-gets-go-ahead-20090406-9v8m.html
The Federal Government and private sector will invest up to $43 billion over eight years in a super-fast national broadband network, in the “single biggest infrastructure decision in Australia’s history”.
In a bombshell decision this morning, the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, announced that none of five bidders for the national network – including Optus and Melbourne group Acacia – were up to scratch.
The current NBN was thought up on a plane flight because their 2007 election NBN was thrown into the bin
There is nothing about NBNCo in that link.
Well duh
NBN was the result of the Experts Panels deliberations. So why would it be there before they have even submitted the review?
But, go play with yourself on this in future. I’ve shown you, …. again, the deliberations that went on. Deliberations made by a panel of experts, then decided on, apparently on a flight to Canberra. The last is irrelevant, and ignores the Expert Panel which advised the Government in this area.
What? Your link was talking about Labors original NBN taken to the 2007 election. There were contenders which were all eventually thrown into the bin. Your link did not say anything about Rudd creating a govt company to build Labors 2nd NBN. That was the one thought up on the back of a drinks coaster on a plane flight.
I was here a year ago @nd this blog was good.
Now just a boring echo chamber
Chuckle, I was here a week ago and the only echo I hear is neel and NBN … steel cans?
Norfolk Is. internet is slow as shyte and as expensive as a Liberal Dinner Party!
There’s a couple of NBN signs around the place … but I suspect that refers to the comms satellites that the LNP originally attempted to block (irony) … but the N Islanders are really pissed with the Government takeover … most suspect something sinister or suspect … they may be right …
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I don’t think there was any research and input into the current NBN.
Yer right neel … the Prime Meddler (the Tory Tech Head) designed THE CURRENT NBN, a Hybrid NBN of copper, cable, wifi and a bit of fibre … whenever you hear “hybrid” – duck for cover!
TB
Did you read my link? This is what happened to the NBN policy Rudd took to the 2007 election.
In a bombshell decision this morning, the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, announced that none of five bidders for the national network – including Optus and Melbourne group Acacia – were up to scratch.
That is all the link TomR gave said also. There were some contenders and my link shows they were thrown into the bin.
A few months later Rudd announced their 2nd NBN thought up on a plane flight and written down on a drinks coaster. One side had the costings and the other side had the plan.
alien,,,,echo chamber,,,,
lt is modelled o the `real-world` alien.
The zombies throw the `same` sticks into the long-grass, over and over and over, and the pinkists chase the sticks.
and the pinkists chase the sticks.
I’m not chasing the turd like stick nils throwing anymore
That level of stoopid defies all logical reasoning
Although, that level of stoopid isn’t restricted to nil. There’s a lot of it about.
Idiocracy, here we are 😦
TomR
You lied to me again. Your link did not show any costings or input from professionals in the field saying the current NBN built by NBNCo would be a great idea. It just said they were going to make a decision on the 5 applications to build Rudds 2007 election promise. As we all know the expert panel threw all applications into the bin.
My understanding is that the current NBN was thought up on a plane flight with costings on one side of a drinks coaster and the plan on the other side. If the expert panel made costings/plan for the current NBN it should be publicly available somewhere
” You lied to me again.”
You lied when you said you loved me, and I had no cause to doubt you.
But I’d rather go on hearing your lies, than to go on living without you.
I’m wondering if the bloke in this article happens to go by the name of ‘Neil of Sydney’ as one of his many online identities ?
http://www.theage.com.au/national/investigations/revealing-the-secrets-of-one-of-australias-worst-online-trolls-20170413-gvklv8.html
You lied when you said you loved me, and I had no cause to doubt you.
not tonight 🙂
not,,,,chasing the turd like stick,,,,
That won`t last long. No pinkist can `resist` the temptation of a good `stick-chase` among the long grass, and `countering` the stick, no matter how stupid the stick is. Look at clowntown.
Once again a coalition government does not support a fair wage rise for the poor, amazing that their own voters support a wage increase. Seems many of them must have family that at being hurt by wage freezes while the top enjoy luxury, wage increases and obscene bonuses. People are not leaving the coalition because of 18c I think they are waking up to how unfair the policies of the Coalition are when it comes to the majority of us.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/even-coalition-voters-believe-the-minimum-wage-is-too-low-polling-finds-20170416-gvlpdo.html
Yet another theft of peoples wages from a sector that is getting lower penalty rates as a result of the fair work commission decision. An RC into the wages theft scandal is now more than overdue it is necessary, this is becoming an horrific theft of hundreds of millions of dollars from the lowest paid in our community and yet the Turnbull government continues to bang on about giving tax relief to the top. No wonder they are polling so badly.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/workplace-relations/celebrity-chef-adrian-richardson-reimburses-staff-after-failing-to-pay-penalties-20170416-gvls7w.html
The Turnbull needs more money to spend on weapons … shimples …
The problem as always is that the Tories always expect the poorest end of town to supply not only all the treasure needed but the blood that goes with fighting for nonsensical ideological beliefs …
eg Christianity is better then Islam
eg Democracy and a Market Economy is better than Communist and Command System …
eg Coal is better than Renewableseg The USA knows they are right even when they are wrong and tell whoppers to the World
If they don’t believe us let’s just bomb the shyte out of ’em! God is on our side! **
“””” …. would create more than 2,500 jobs “for decades to come” … “”””
What fkn shortsighted, self centred, ignorant morons this government is seeded with … there are 750, 000 Australians out of work!!
These dopes couldn’t find a cross in a cathedral!
Yes TB no money for the poor but weapons to protect them while they try and survive the slashing and burning. Hypocrisy.
Tony Abbott says people are sick of politicians who change their minds to swing with voters. Funny that he was one of the biggest weathervanes while opposition leader and PM. The man is a joke. Regarding curbing spending, he needs to start with himself and all the other trough feeders.
Yep TomR lied. He said the current NBN was produced
After much research and much input from professionals in the field
When i asked for a link he gave me this
Contenders for the NBN include national proposals from Terria-Optus, Acacia and Axia NetMedia; and state bids from TransACT, and the Tasmanian government. Canadian-based company.
I already knew that there were contenders for Rudds NBN which was then thrown into the bin.
I really would like to see a link that the current NBN was the product of my research and from professionals in the field.
As far as i know it was thought up on the back of a drinks coaster.
I know, I shouldn’t bite, but the stoopid doesn’t stop
A six-week review into the regulatory environment
ie, it wasn’t just the bids, it was broader than that
Now go back to trolling others.
Lots of assumptions there TomR. Your link went on to say
The report written by a panel of eight industry experts will be reviewed by the Department of Broadband Communications and the Digital Economy (DBCDE) before the winner of the NBN tender is announced.
As we no there was no winner. All bids were thrown into the bin. I find it hard to believe that there was no research and input into the current NBN. If there was there should be a link somewhere.
If there was there should be a link somewhere.
And I know this will have no effect
Rod Tucker, who sat on the expert panel that advised Senator Conroy to adopt the national model
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/conroys-baby-still-in-cradle-20090909-fgoy.html
I thought the Rudd 2007 election policy was a national model. Looks like there was not much research or input from professionals for the new policy. I like this from your link
Since the Prime Minister sent eyeballs spinning by announcing his Government would build the network, highly intelligent people all over the country have been developing a panoply of cost estimates.
So basically when Rudd announced this new policy nobody knew how much it would cost or how much people would have to pay. So much for caring about the poor.
nobody knew how much it would cost or how much people would have to pay
Except perhaps the “Expert Panel”
The ones who helped to design it. Not ‘highly intelligent people”, which, as you have shown, is in very short supply in this cuntry
Even with all of this evidence, you still cannot accept the fact that it wasn’t a thought bubble on the back of a coaster, but was a plan devised with the input from professionals ion the field.
No amount of evidence will persuade someone as blockheaded as yourself. Your stupidity is legion.
TomR
From your recent link
For now, Senator Conroy is able to deflect questions by pointing out that an implementation study is under way, and that it is impossible to discuss the finer points of the network, such as who, where, when and even what. That study, by McKinsey & Company and KPMG, is expected to be finished by February and will address network design, governance, ownership caps and ways to attract private sector investment.
And that was after they had announced the new NBN. Labor had no idea about anything. I think the drinks coaster had everything however. I hope they did not lose it.
“new” NBN is of TurnAbbott’s making … he was even more dopey about technology that Conroy!
A cobbled together copper, cable, wifi and fibre hybrid is akin to saying that a cross between and cheetah, dolphin, elephant and Pharlap would be the fastest hybrid in the world … not even in the race … that’s why they use thoroughbreds … just like we should be using 100% fibre to the premises … run the whole race with the best horse, trainer, and jockey, (ie FTTP) or lose the bet!
MALfunction has lost the bet … but we lose the money!
Net Speed today 36Mbps …
And that was after they had announced the new NBN.
You mean, the one that resulted from the input from professionals in the field? That one?
Any time you are ready nil, I will accept your apology 😉
You mean, the one that resulted from the input from professionals in the field? That one?
Your first link was dated 22/1/2009 and said there were 5 contenders to build Labors 2007 election policy in 2007. Those contenders were thrown into the bin. That is the link where you said there was professional input into the current NBN. The current NBN was not even a thought in January 2009.
On 7/4/2009 they announced a new NBN without an apology saying what they took to the 2007 election was a dud.
http://ministers.treasury.gov.au/DisplayDocs.aspx?doc=pressreleases/2009/036.htm&pageID=003&min=wms&Year=&DocType=
The Rudd Government today announced the establishment of a new company to build and operate a new super fast National Broadband Network.
Your last link then said the concept was then sent out to see if the thing could actually be built.
No apology. You are telling lies again. The current NBN was just a thought bubble with no costings or anything. Conroy again
For now, Senator Conroy is able to deflect questions by pointing out that an implementation study is under way, and that it is impossible to discuss the finer points of the network, such as who, where, when and even what. That study, by McKinsey & Company and KPMG, is expected to be finished by February (2010) and will address network design, governance, ownership caps and ways to attract private sector investment.
Your first link was dated 22/1/2009 and said there were 5 contenders to build Labors 2007 election policy in 2007.
its 2017 … the present government is RESPONSIBLE for the mish mash of technology based on FTTN that now constitutes our NBN … a trashing of FIBRE TO THE PREMISES … the present LNP government has doubled the price and halved (or more) the speed and capacity of Australia’s NBN … after FOUR years in government (added to the previous four years “stonewalling” there is no way ANYONE can defend the MALfunction TurnAbbott government for destroying Australia’s commercial, defence, technical, medical, educational, training, agriculture, environmental, meteorological and social communication …
All based on the waffle of a bunch of ideological zealots that would sooner see our country building weapons of war and more fkn cathedrals to the Cloud Fairy in the sky!
It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so bloody sad, wasteful and destructive for ALL Australians … for generations to come (if they ever can) …
We are being pillaged big time …
Your first link was dated 22/1/2009 and said there were 5 contenders to build Labors 2007 election policy in 2007
It never said it MUST choose them. It was broader, as the ‘regulatory framework’ explains.
It was quite obvious that none of the plans suited the countries need, and that another plan was adopted, from this input.
If you cannot understand English nil, then go back to school and learn it, and don’t waste peoples time with this absurd amount of stupidity you display.
And, of course, costings etc would come AFTER the template is decided on, not before. The template that came about as a direct result of the Expert Panels deliberations. You really are as thick as two planks.
So yes, anytime you are ready, offer me an apology.
It was quite obvious that none of the plans suited the countries need, and that another plan was adopted, from this input.
So labor lied to win the 2007 election. Remember how excited voters were about Labors 2007 policy?
If you cannot understand English nil, then go back to school and learn it, and don’t waste peoples time with this absurd amount of stupidity you display
I can understand English. The current plan was a thought bubble. That is OK. Some good ideas have been thought bubbles. But you said it was the results of professional input. The only professional input i saw was them throwing Labors election policy into the bin. Who know who thought up NBNCo building the network. It could have been Kevin Rudds dog for all we know.
If you cannot understand English nil, then go back to school and learn it
For some time I thought neel was a schoolchild … then he (or she) made some comments that led me to believe that he was in dotage … particularly his/her comments about Russian scientists … and of course his/her comments change so much I reckon its more than one person … my suspicion is the Young Liberals … only they could be so collectively dumb on so many subjects!
Read the comment above mine – carefully ..
The only professional input i saw was them throwing Labors election policy into the bin.
That is because you cannot read. Or comprehend.
the present LNP government has doubled the price
Who says? Nobody knows how much FTTP would cost or how long it would take to build. And i will continue to believe it was the idea of Kevin Rudds dog until proven otherwise.
Nobody knows how much FTTP would cost or how long it would take to build.
Some more links with words ‘n’ stuff. It’ll be above your head, because of the aforementioned words ‘n’ stuff, but others might like it 🙂
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1925965
So this is the NBN timeline
1. Rudd lies to win the 2007 election promising NBN costing $4.7B and finished by 2013
2. Election promise put out for tender. None good enough according to expert panel. Election proposal thrown into bin
3. Kevin Rudds dog comes up with the idea for the govt to build a FTTP NBN costing who knows what finished who knows when
4. Start building NBN
5. Proposal put out for review by professionals in the field.
lt is an interesting time `now` isn`t it?
The recent power-grab in Turkey backed by the `conservative` islamic citizens, may just end-up delivering a `kalifate` the death-cult, death-cult, death-cult, always wanted.
While in the north pacific teh-usa saber rattling is in overdrive leaving everybody wondering if the-ronald or Kim-Jong has the nads to pull the trigger.
Cold war geriatrics and teabag zombies now have something to squirt about.
Cold war geriatrics and teabag zombies now have something to squirt about
Don’t you mean some of us might be right? And you might be a little naïve?
Lesson 1: Wars happen quite “regularly” on this stupid fkn planet!
Lesson 2: No-one really knows when
Lesson 3: Because of Lesson 2 – Be Prepared!
Thus endeth the Final Sermon! FFS read “behind” the news cycle!
People piddling about with “its all OK, nothing to worry about” … gave us WW2 … Korea … Vietnam (The American War) …
Then we had …
Iraq … WMD … BS! (because Saddam had threatened Bush Snr … Bush Jnr decided to teach Saddam a “lesson” … at the expense of thousands of Iraqi men women and children
Afghanistan … 15 YEARS, because of 9/11 … that was carried out by ……… wait for it ……. Saudi Arabians … FFS keep up …
Cold war geriatrics and teabag zombies now have something to squirt about.
“” Cold war geriatrics “”” .. you’re just an self centred, inexperienced, ignorant Dick, who thinks he should be heard – because? … you know nuthin’, tbagz, hope for the best but plan for the future … I was taught NOT to be a pantzwetter … I was taught to Improvise, Adapt, Overcome*!
Fucking patronising twit!
BTW, I’m retired – not retarded! Age is a state of mind and a number! As you constantly display!
The USA has destroyed itself – yes – DESTROYED – Australia is following closely!
market manipulation, Robber Barons, greedy banks, fraud, the USA stink is everywhere …
The Chinese Commercial Invasion is well underway …
And we have a bunch of greedy investors running the country …
Frightening stuff!
nil misses, deliberatley, stupidly, blindly? the bit between 2 and 3
Rod Tucker, who sat on the expert panel that advised Senator Conroy to adopt the national model
Or does he think that a politician is bright enough to draw a plan on the back of a coaster that is agreed by ALL industry experts to be the best option to choose?
Australia is following closely
c’mon TB, we are leading in some areas. We had yabot before they had Trump 😉
Rod Tucker, who sat on the expert panel that advised Senator Conroy to adopt the national model
Even if true Labor lied to win the 2007 election. Rudd promised a NBN costing $4.7B and finished by 2013
I was taught NOT to be a pantzwetter
# ,, and a fine job you`re doing too, (-:
# ,, seems like you have had a lot of fun `self-identifying` too, (-: (-: (-: (-:
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washpo,,,,The most immediate crisis right now is this crazy fat kid,, Mr. McCain said on MSNBCs ,,Morning Joe,, ,,Everything I have read about him is he is not rational,,#Guffaw
washpo,,,,The Arizona Republican said Mr. Kim is the worst kind of adversary because,,,,
,,,,he is an irrational person with nuclear weapons,,,,#ROFL #cold.war.geriatric
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/7/john-mccain-applauds-airstrikes-warns-biggest-thre/
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# ,, but lets look at some `real` problems in the world for a change (-:
Liberal actress Susan Sarandon revealed Tuesday that she had to change her phone number after President Trump won the election because Hillary Clinton`s supporters wouldn`t stop harassing her.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/13/susan-sarandon-angry-hillary-clinton-supporters-fo/
# ,, quite funny, save-the-swampers that don`t like hillary (-:
c`mon TB,,,we are leading in some areas,,,#Tick
We,,,had yabot before they had Trump,,,#Tick
(in britannia, sweet teresa couldn`t do the job after all, and has resorted to `calling` an election, reckon l know where that`s heading too)
Even if true Labor lied to win the 2007 election
Is that some kind of an apology nil? Is that what you are attempting there?
NBN downgrade was pure politics Abbott style
And malcayman was the one who lied to the media, and caused media people to lose their jobs, in his destruction of it.
He needs to be made accountable.
There is a big hole in Malcolm Turnbull’s 457 visa plan
Nice to see some in the msm taking him to account on this, will any of the others pick up the baton, and expose this for the cheap politics it is?
It’s a long list of white men getting yet another reward for the jobs they are already paid to do. The lawyers. The doctors. The superannuated politicians.
Male or female its still a long list of people getting yet another reward for the jobs they are already paid to do …!
without reading the `micro-details`, my bet is the 2-types of visas that talkbull is replacing the 457 with; will be bugger-all but a `rebranding` exercise; accompanied by a bit of panto and weasel-words while mimicing the-ronald. The usual clowntown production of `followership` and NOT leadership! (-:
… and expose this for the cheap politics it is?
All TurnAbbott and The Mad Abbott have ever done is re-invent the wheel … all they need to do with the 457 legislation is alter the Regulations … a Dopey Dutton Departmental responsibility not parliament … waste of parliamentary resources, waste people’s time, pure ideology AGAIN …
Internet speed today: 36Mbps
(for the pedantics – although they seem to have diminished lately – this is download speed)
on my abc24, `vague` report of chemical/s used in mosel against aussie?/iraqi? force/s by death-cult?
aussies okay, but report `vague`, intentionally?
maybe syria/russia claims of death-cult bringing/using chemical/s not untrue?
And malcayman was the one who lied to the media, and caused media people to lose their jobs, in his destruction of it.
Not sure what you are trying to say. It was Labor who lied in 2007. What did the Coalition lie about?
Also there is not a lot of information around about what went on between the rejection of Labors 2007 election policy and the new/current NBN. So saying there was no input is a reasonable assumption until proven otherwise. It should also be stated that we are one of the few countries where the govt is building a broadband network.
Welcome to 1984 …
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/security/vpns-become-even-more-important-as-isps-start-collecting-your-online-metadata/news-story/3fd498fa3a192687ce264bd3a72d5cb6
One free VPN … pay for “extra time, places, speed” …
https://hide.me/en/
What did the Coalition lie about?
What don’t they lie about?
You might find this timeline interesting, TR … neel, will look at the pictures …
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-27/nbn-complete-by-2019-promise-check/5546884
TB
I was talking about the NBN. Your link is interesting but the current NBN is not what Labor took to the 2007 election which caused a lot of people to vote for them
I find it interesting that Labor gets the govt to build the thing. So socialist. I suspect it makes it easier to control people in the future. So socialist. It will take longer to build and be more expensive. So socialist.
Fcukwit^^^
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Hey teebz, you do realize anything you use that is based in the silicon valley/ california/ teh-usa is server-side copied by homeland since 2003ish. Those vpns won`t stop the spooks trolling you across the interwebs.
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ls it just me, or is talkbull actually getting crappier?
What did the Coalition lie about?
Let’s talk about YOUR LIES nil
You know, an NBN plan without input from professionals in field.
Or will you now apologize for your blatant LIE! 🙂
which caused a lot of people to vote for them
they took the updated one to the next election, which they won.
Where’s your sorry LIAR!
Or will you now apologize for your blatant LIE!
I was just repeating the allegation made on social media
they took the updated one to the next election, which they won
And that makes it OK? Most people have no idea that Labors 2007 election promise was thrown into the bin, By the way i think i found what you were looking for but the fact information is so hard to find says something.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2017/april/1490965200/paddy-manning/network-error
When Conroy received the expert panel’s advice, the only way he could get to brief the PM was to jump on that plane with him. In the end it took two flights to get Rudd, Conroy and the advisers onto the same page. A proposal went to cabinet, and some three months later, on 7 April, Rudd and Conroy jointly announced the “single largest nation-building infrastructure project in Australia’s history”, trumping the Snowy Hydro scheme and the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Decrying the Coalition’s broadband record – “over a 12-year period, there were some 18 failed plans” – Rudd committed Labor to building a $43 billion NBN, running fibre all the way to 93% of homes, delivering 100 Mbps download speeds, while the rest of the country would get a minimum of 12 Mbps via wireless or satellite. The rollout would take eight years, starting in 2010.
I was just repeating the allegation made on social media
And that makes it OK? 😯 😆
LIAR! 🙂
Can this mob not get ANYTHING right?
I mean ANYTHING??????
Those vpns won`t stop the spooks trolling you across the interwebs.
Thanks exspurt … don’t use one then … shimples … BTW, I will continue … worth every dollar of the 70pa …
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I was just repeating the allegation made on social media
That’s even worse than, “I was just following orders”, social fkn media!!!! GMAB!
That’s even worse than, “I was just following orders”, social fkn media
All someone had to do was provide a link but nobody did.
When Conroy received the expert panel’s advice, the only way he could get to brief the PM was to jump on that plane with him. In the end it took two flights to get Rudd, Conroy and the advisers onto the same page
So the plane flight story was true but what did this expert panel say? I guess it was do FTTP built by the govt costing who knows what finished who knows when
l noticed the pinkists are back to fetching the nbn-stick from the long grass; instead of explaining what blib reckons he is going to do for rural; to counter the teabags `decentralizing` of govt depts to rural. l notice blib has gone to ground on this one; and the teabags will probably pull a few winners from the resulting box of suggestions. lt will be interesting to see what they suggest.
All someone had to do was provide a link but nobody did.
I’m a nobody 😦
but what did this expert panel say? I
“Here’s a coaster, you bloody well come up with something”
NILIAR! 😆
(lt will be interesting to see what they suggest.
I, for one, welcome the new, new casual casualisation of the workers of the world and the refactorisation of extra-democratic dormitory designations; possibly warranting a(n inter)national (dis)interest being found in the capital idea of regional skills hostages; especially given last quarter’s narrow avoidance of a technical recession, thanks to all the busyness of accelerating dissavings nationwide and accelerating rentier returns to crony capital concentrations in the financial and corporate hq districts of the itsnoddabubbell cities; in any event, it makes perfect sense to (dis)integrate as much as possible, as expeditiously as possible, so that even more of the wealth and even less of the privilege, and/or vice versa, is spread up/down/around the countryside(s).)
Project Feminista!
When it comes to chicks-in-charge, we often have our resident feminista screeching `misogyny` at us when we criticize these lame-arse critters because they`re female. As you all know l enjoy a good `working-example`, so as it is happening, put britannia prime meddler teresa-may on your watch-list. With 3-years to go, she has called a `snap` election, even tho just a few months ago she took the top job amid her claims that; she had the `leadership`; and she had the `ability` to do the `main` task of brexit. Her snap election at the first hurdles faced; proves to me she didn`t.
my bet: brenda in bristol = bye bye teresa
(stay turned for next episode starring fiona nash)
Crackling (M) … all this Tory government’s scratching(s) around the edges of policy are ideological pigs of ideas … 😉
here ya go tbagz …
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/apr/18/does-brenda-from-bristol-have-the-best-reaction-to-the-election-news-video
BTW … I think you meant …
(stay TUNED for THE next episode starring fiona nash)
ToM seems to have abandoned us …
(Govern-mental cubicle dwellers, bean counters, junior managers and arsesorted proper gandists (dis)jointed from their familiar life and income; scattered nationwide; away from itsnoddabubbell cities and away from itsnoddababbell people; can only be a good thing. The tyranny of distance will definitely slow down the delivery of tyranny.)
Good ole ‘aussie values’ gets another workout. Tell me when it’s safe to turn on the TV again.
…”It threatens our universal health system through seriously weakening the ability of Medicare as a single funder to control costs,” Mr Menadue writes.
“We have seen the enormous damage that PHI [private health insurance] has wrought in the US. We are steadily going down the same dangerous path.
“On present trends, we will have a divided healthcare system. One system will be for the wealthy with a safety net system for the indigent.
“The Australian government today knows that PHI is in real trouble. But for ideological reasons it wants to prop up what John Howard foisted on us in 1999.”…
What do we do with the home grown wife beaters? The ones where ‘aussie values’ prevent their mates from mentioning it or ridding it forever from our society?
I could be in in deep shit here!
Rotary? Nup! Apex? Nup! CleanUp Australia Day? Nup! Church? Nup! No mention of Lions? Buffalo Lodge? National Party? Mosque? Synagogue?
In fact I’ve never voluntarily joined any civic club or religion in all the years I’ve lived here … for good reason … most of them are peopled by right wing bigots FFS!
I am however a member of an association … and a hobby club … oh and a couple of business institutes … maybe that will save me from deportation …
Its like living in a ‘sick’com!
Citizenship Quiz
Ha-ha. The resident feminista is hoovering-up talkbull based `aussie-values` twits and re-inforcing, on-message, bananasby based `wife-beater` twits; totally unaware this is merely been created because team-pauline is breathing down the teabags neck. You should know by now that desperation and teabag-panic has well and truly set-in when they start pretending they care for chicks (or-anybody). Remember how much they care for girl-boaties? They don`t seem to mind bombing the shit out of brown girls in iraq, afghanistan, syria, libya and turning them into refugees. `Aussie-value` teabags didn`t mind dropping bombs and poison on yellow girls in vietnam, laos and cambodia either.
…totally unaware this is merely been created because team-pauline is breathing down the teabags neck.
No, I’m very aware of Hanson and Abbott & Co
‘Girls’ [of all colours] are always inferior to the men, even the lowliest brown, yellow or brindle man will feel superior to women [of all colours].
The 3 most important things to this government are as follows.
1) Changing 18C while demanding freedom of speech in English preferably.
2) Making Immigrants Answer Questions about our so called Values while slashing
Domestic Violence funding.
3) Giving tax breaks to the wealthy, while slashing assistance to pensioners and the disabled.
Now if we had a poll which included those 3 things along with following.
1) Making the rich pay their fair share of tax.
2) Ensuring business pays correct wages instead of stealing form their employees.
3) Fund Medicare properly so we all have equal health outcomes.
4) Have a RC into the Banks.
5) Maintain Overtime at current rates instead of slashing it to please greedy employers.
6) Slash Politicians benefits and rorts and travel allowances.
7) Solve the Public Servant dispute.
That now gives 10 options. I guarantee that the govt’s so called top 3 would be relegated to 8,9, and 10.
The Turnbull debacle needs to speak to people on the streets and not their monetary supporters, when it comes to the issues that the majority of citizens are actually more concerned about. Go on have a referendum on the most important issues Malcolm. I dare you, you have become such a disappointment, especially to us swinging voters.
Let`s recap. l`ve been banging-on for about 2-years now about; the layers of `jobactive` contractors `managing` dole-ees each month; about 3/4-mill UNemployed and 1.1-mill UNDERemployed; (being the better part of 2-mill `fees` per month) with usually less than 80K-mostly junk-jobs available per month; and peddling ponzi-training scams for courses in `trades` where there is a `glut` of people `trained` already; (such as 7-11 customer service; or airline baggage staff;) and work-for dole-scam that put some employed charity staff out of work; so `charity` can receive 3K-per head for receiving free labor-staff. All of which is around 95% waste and of no use to the dole-ee.
Now the folks at coffee-2 have found the `card-scam` put in place to rip-off treasury and troughsnout for the elite; (which fits the teabags modus operandi of inserting `private` layers of cost to treasury; commonly known as outsaucing;) which l have no reason to doubt.
Where is braying media in all this, too busy creating fakenews and too frightened to report on our corrupt oligarchy, no doubt.