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Drug Accused: “I thought it was banana bread”

May 2, 2017

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Not so hot-on-the-heels of our intrepid series of sordid drug smuggling scandals ostensibly dubbed “MY SCHAPELLE HELL,” the Australian travelling public has once again delivered another drug-fuelled tale of woe in the form of alleged drug smuggler Cassandra Sainsbury.

The story begins like this. Cassandra, a 22 year old Personal Trainer and Country Fire Service volunteer decided that, while saving for her forthcoming wedding,  it would be a good idea to visit Colombia, the world’s largest producer of cocaine on a so-called “working holiday.”

And why not? Adelaide to Bogota airport is a mere 23 hours away in travelling time, not to mention those enjoyable hours spent checking-in, sitting in transit and so on.

According to her own account of events, upon arrival, Ms Sainsbury was befriended by a “good samaritan” who offered to “show her around” and act as a “translator” during her stay.

Cassandra’s mother says that the nice man had been “helping her all week, taking her around and showing her places, and just being a nice guy.”

Good friends are hard to find, and when Cassandra mentioned that she’d like to buy some headphones as wedding gifts for friends back home, the benevolent translator apparently managed to obtain them at a bargain price with free gift wrapping thrown in to boot.

Your average punter may have baulked at the shoddy black plastic wrapping but heck they were cheap, and perhaps maybe it was just banana bread, a lump of coal, or some other suitable gift.

Not to be deterred, Cassandra stuffed the lot into her suitcase and trotted off to the airport where surprise of all surprises she was found to be hauling a suitcase full of charlie.

A couple of other things have since emerged.  Cassandra, hasn’t apparently volunteered for the CFS since 2014 and they have requested that her family take down the reference to the organisation from the crowd-funding page set up by Cassandra’s family.

A CFS spokesman said: “she is a former member of the Warooka Brigade and ended her service in July 2014”.

The president of the CFS Volunteers’ Association, Andy Wood, said he did not know Ms Sainsbury.

Nor has she been working as a PT for the last six months.

Her family insist she was set up, but Colombian police said her arrest was undistinguishable from a growing number of drug cases involving foreigners.

The 22-year-old was preparing to board a flight to London on her way back to Australia, which is kind of a long haul journey for a one week holiday.

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  1. May 2, 2017 11:46 am

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  2. shaneinqld permalink
    May 2, 2017 12:07 pm

    Her story seems as credible as Tony Abbotts election promises !!!

  3. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2017 12:12 pm

    She may possibly be a drug mule Shane, but there’s no reason to slander her like that.

  4. May 2, 2017 1:18 pm

    Her story doesn’t stack up.

    It looks more like date and walnut loaf if you ask me.

  5. shaneinqld permalink
    May 2, 2017 1:57 pm

    Sure its not treacle and fig Reb ?

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2017 2:07 pm

    They must have been bloody heavy headphones!!!

    Wedding gifts for friends? No wonder weddings these days cost $25,000!

  7. shaneinqld permalink
    May 2, 2017 2:25 pm

    Yes Tom R I am sorry I put her in the same league as Tony Abbott 🙂

  8. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2017 3:57 pm

    “I thought it was banana bread”

    Why do I get the feeling that, should she be able to return home, the libs might use her to try and sell the budget?

  9. May 2, 2017 5:10 pm

    Why would anyone want 18 pairs of bloody headphones for? either she’s starting her own recording studio or she knows someone with 18 heads who loves listening to music!

  10. May 2, 2017 5:56 pm

    Why would anyone travel to Colombia for 23 hours (excluding transit time) each way for a one week holiday in the world’s drug capital when you’re supposedly “saving” for your wedding?

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2017 6:38 pm

    When do these bogans wake up? Have we made them simpletons or are they born that way?

    Nature at work? As in Darwin’s Theory of Evolution?

  12. May 3, 2017 1:09 pm

    ls it any wonder. ln an asperational society, based on your wealthworth, and led by govt of `questionable` to put it kindly ethics; of course baby teabags will be attracted to high yield business of questionable ethics and disregard of others laws; just as business disregards our laws. We have gone full circle and baby teabags *sniff* are leading the way. The cost benefit analysis does require the evaluation of the quantity of choof or blo to not weigh too much more than the boogie board or headphone box tho.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2017 6:07 pm

    Cassandra’s … “I want nothing to do with this, call my lawyer …” DAD!

    How do you get rid of $2 million worth of drugs?

    http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a5d92f2eb434cdc543e1396d2d583d6e

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2017 10:24 pm

    Treating people with dignity and respect just don’t sit well with conservatives, those ‘human’ rights are such a bitch aren’t they? The freedom to be a consumer is all people need!

    The neocons have destroyed a generation.

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2017 10:31 pm

  16. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 4, 2017 5:01 am

    AO

    The amazing sentence in your comment above is this.

    “The company is required to deduct employees pay for the duration of the industrial action with a minimum of 4 hours”

    If someone removes their labour for 1 hour that is all they should have deducted. Funny how they can deduct more hours than the labour is withdrawn, yet so many businesses cannot pay overtime to an employee when they perform their duties.

    Yet the conservatives say the unions and employees have too much power. What utter shit.

    The laws have been changed so much to favour the theft of employees time that it astounds me.

  17. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2017 9:18 am

    A YOUNG PERSONS LOT
    …Brilliant & True

    I AGREE!

    The laws have been changed so much to favour the theft of employees time that it astounds me.

    I find it hard to feel sorry for the journos, considering the war they (farfacts) have waged against the Union movement over the years.

    And looks like Kudelka predicted it correctly (although, it was pretty obvious)

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2017 9:43 am

    I find it hard to feel sorry for the journos, considering the war they (farfacts) have waged against the Union movement over the years.

    And yet they are in a union too … bearing in mind that like most “workers” they are expected to “toe – the – line” … editors (management) put out the final copy … who toe-the-line of the Board or Mordoch …

    Agree with Shane on the shift of power … but the IR pendulum has never remained at six o’clock … the closest it came to that was the Hawke Keating Accords … since then the greed from Liberal supporting Robber Barons of Business and Banks has just swamped the Western World with vacuum economics and sucked economies dry in favour of a few Elites …

    It fascinates me that the least productive in a society accumulate the most … eg entertainers, sport stars, politicians, number shufflers – CEOs/accountants/tax consultants/financial advisors …

  19. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2017 9:48 am

    like most “workers” they are expected to “toe – the – line”

    If they can live with themselves.

    I haven’t been forced into that position luckily, although, I have refused some tasks because I quite bluntly pointed out … er, that’s just wrong.

    But not to the point my livelihood was affected.

  20. May 4, 2017 10:11 am

    I,,,,find it hard to feel sorry for the journos, considering the war they (farfacts) have waged against the Union movement over the years,,,,

    # ,, l`m a bit is the same boat team-cheerer, tho l view it beyond merely da-onions, with their industry-wide war on the `viewer` with all their various forms of FakeNews; it has had the predictable effect of both braying media organizations `and` pet-churnos putting the shotgun in their own mouth and discharging both barrels. Limited-news has cuts to come. Network-10 could be in its death-throes soon/too.

  21. May 4, 2017 10:22 am

    Oh, and by the way, remember all those extra fcuking dumb churnos inferring, implying, demanding the taxpayer funded churno employer should be sold-off as private dumbfcuks do everything cheaper and better. (-: #my.abc

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2017 10:44 am

    I haven’t been forced into that position luckily, although, I have refused some tasks because I quite bluntly pointed out … er, that’s just wrong.

    I have as a manager – particularly with H&S issue (both line and staff) … and one in particular very large company … (always fight for the troops – and they’ll fight for you)

    … although, The Minister, on more than one occasion said to me she didn’t know if I’d still have job when I came home – oddly enough I have reputation for speaking my mind 😉 … I did say “most workers” …

    tbagz, I suspect too, that a few of the ABC journalists have “jacked up” over the years …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just had an invitation to lunch … tough choice … so I’ll catch up later … enjoy

  23. May 4, 2017 11:12 am

    The twits are funny today armchair (-:

    Here`s bongo! (Replying to @theboltreport @rowandean)

  24. May 4, 2017 11:18 am

    “”oddly enough I have reputation for speaking my mind “”

    Aye, me n’awe..

  25. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2017 11:33 am

    “You wankers”

    well said that man!

  26. May 4, 2017 11:54 am

    Where are our in-house dumbfux l wonder. They always seem to go to ground when neo-teabagism implodes spectacularly.

    (todays working example; private enterprise is always better in every way; than govt stuff; especially media) (-:

  27. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2017 12:08 pm

  28. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 4, 2017 2:39 pm

    Wonder what’s happening at Buck Palace ?

  29. shaneinqld permalink
    May 4, 2017 2:41 pm

    I know I know most of you probably don’t care but according to the internet that’s just not the case !!!

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2017 4:44 pm

    Aye, me n’awe..

    hehehehe … poet – keetle!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Where are our in-house dumbfux l wonder …

    Homeless? That’s what happens when non-one listens to you anymore …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I know I know most of you probably don’t care …

    It’s not that I don’t care … I just don’t give a fuck!

    My bet:

    Abdication … long live the king and all that other shyte … Charles’ haven’t had a good run through history … they all seem to lose their heads eventually … will Charles III be the exception?

    WGAF? The Firm has been at this BS for centuries … Queen whatsit?

  31. May 4, 2017 5:01 pm

    Homeless?,,,,That`s what happens when non-one listens to you anymore,,,,

    # ,, chuckle (-:

    ,

    I,,,,know I know most of you probably don`t care but according to the internet that`s just not the case,,,,

    # ,, correct shane, the pinkists around here are raving repugs deluding themselves on the symbolic and in denial it would just be a clowntown power-grab, personally l`m much less worried about charlie big-ears and friends; and more worried about tony big-ears and zombie-friends (-:

  32. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 4, 2017 5:49 pm

    TB

    Go on, of course you give a fuck. Complaining means you give a fuck 🙂

    Drain

    “Chuckle” you are right the other big ears is of much more concern, hope he does not become the GG. Imagine the pics of them both, all ears and nothing else 🙂

    Regarding our in-houses I have skipped past their comments for weeks, have no idea what Neil has been saying and Walrus seems to have vanished (or he could be going under another name, he does that when he thinks he is being clever, rather than being honest)

  33. May 4, 2017 6:54 pm

    I have no more fucks left to give.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2017 9:26 pm

    LOL!

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 4, 2017 10:11 pm

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 4, 2017 10:46 pm

    …The laws have been changed so much to favour the theft of employees time that it astounds me…

    Me too Shane, unfortunately it is my opinion that Labor has capitulated and become the keepers of the capitalist agenda just as much as the Libs. Bill Shorten won’t change a thing either, the left of Labor need to mount a takeover and start reminding them them it always was and always is, a class war and stop giving away people’s labour rights to the enemy.

    The twits are funny today armchair…

    Yes, the free speech advocates are incensed – Australia just refuses to turn Libertarian fast enough! You can only have free speech as long as they agree with it.

    I,,,,find it hard to feel sorry for the journos, considering the war they (farfacts) have waged against the Union movement over the years,,,,

    Dutton’s powers unchecked and unjust, former Liberal immigration minister says
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/04/duttons-powers-unchecked-and-unjust-former-liberal-immigration-minister-says

    …The report also pointed to two current Coalition bills that seek to expand them even further under the current minister, Dutton. These powers, the RAP said, would further allow an immigration minister to “play god”.

    “Those decisions are not made in a transparent way in accordance with fair processes,” the report said.

    Peter Dutton says his claims about Manus violence came from ‘classified information’
    Read more
    “Rather, the minister is empowered to an alarming degree to make decisions based upon his whim, with scant regard for due process.”…

    …Report author Lauren Bull said: “Under Australian law, no other minister – not even the prime minister – is given anywhere near as much unchecked power.

    “It is fundamentally at odds with basic principles of democracy and the rule of law for one politician to have [that much] personal power to make such important decisions affecting people’s most basic of rights.”…

  37. May 5, 2017 1:48 am

    gobsmacked,,,,at executives getting million dollar bonuses or payments while sacking,,,,

    # ,, l don`t know why bongo is `gobsmacked` armchair, he is old enough and ugly enough to have seen so many `coal-face-workers` of all kinds get sacked; while executives and boardrooms get squillions in `bonus`. What the hell did he think would happen? Beats-me!

    ,

    # ,, armchair l disagree, the churnos can`t be blamed on the dutton zombies power-grab; boaties are stored with unlimited time-frames in off-shore gulags to deny boaties access to; lawyers, medical, happiness, dignity, `and` churnos for complaining.

  38. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 5, 2017 6:06 am

    Read this.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-predicts-malcolm-turnbull-could-dump-gonski-20-education-funding-plan-20170504-gvyw63.html

    Then read this.

    https://www.whitlam.org/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/364340/Br_Kelvin_Canavan_fms_speech.pdf

    For Tony Abbot to claim that historically the federal government has funded Catholic Schools and Historically it has been the LNP that has supported them is totally and utterly false.

    Whitlam ensured the funding to Catholic Schools and he also prevented hundreds of them from closing with his guaranteed funding.

    The truth is out there if you search for it instead of believing the biggest liar we have in politics these days. The man is a joke.

  39. shaneinqld permalink
    May 5, 2017 6:19 am

    AO

    I agree Labor has also capitulated to Uber Capitalism. They have abandoned their traditions to simply look at being re elected in the next election. If you hold to your beliefs then even if the other side is elected, they will be booted out when it is revealed that what they did was wrong for the country as a whole.

    This is why people are sick to death of the major parties and France is another example of this. They no longer believe the spin and lies told to get elected. The problem is our media are also Uber Capitalists for whom any policies or regulation that could affect their profits and greed needs to be castigated and destroyed, no mater how much those policies or regulation benefit the citizens. It needs to be construed into an opinion piece with hysteria and doom to scare the citizens into believing it.

    Example: 1 person at 1 mothers group turned away a white woman claiming the group was for mothers with non English speaking backgrounds and non white women to get together. This was reported in the Daily Telegraph as though it was the norm and Australia was loosing its culture and identity. The woman was disciplined, the other mothers were horrified and of course the decision was overturned. However the hysterical reporting made everyone think that this was somehow an instruction being given to all groups.

    I know because friends (who are rednecks for want of a better word) showed me the article (as I will never buy Murcdoch Papers) as though it was an all out attack on our values and way of life and why we need to stop immigration and all this lefty nonsense and take back Australia.

    It was ONE person at ONE mothers group.

  40. shaneinqld permalink
    May 5, 2017 6:20 am

    Reb

    A gay person with no more fucks to give. Do they exist ? 🙂

  41. May 5, 2017 7:15 am

    “”A gay person with no more fucks to give. Do they exist ?””

    Good point.

  42. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2017 9:20 am

    Why I don’t read Murdoch publications.

    Really just one to add to the list isn’t it Shane?

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2017 9:55 am

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/trumps-snub-of-pm-shows-just-how-much-australia-means-to-him/news-story/1ea4a1ae1bc87cc4e6d81b6bfc7a6957

    The URL above tells a tale I agree with … I’ve always believed most Americans are extremely naïve when it comes to the rest of the world … TurnAbbott has now been snubbed TWICE by Trump …

    Although I have no respect for TurnAbbott … Trump is not insulting the man he’s insulting the people of Australia …

    … and at the very least taking advantage of the relationship – and on the day remembering The Battle of The Coral Sea … and that could just backfire …

    Trump is just an uneducated, ignorant, insensitive prick! Would you employ him?

    Internet Speed: 36Mbps ..

  44. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2017 10:05 am

    Trump is just an uneducated, ignorant, insensitive prick!

    I would have thought he and malware would have plenty to talk about then. welfare bashing, health destruction, coal envy ………

    Australia’s laws on plain packaging of cigarettes and other tobacco products have been upheld at the World Trade Organisation after a five-year legal battle, Bloomberg news reported on Thursday.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global/2017/may/05/australias-defeats-wto-challenge-to-plain-packaging-of-tobacco

    well done nanny. Saving lives. It’s really all that matters.

  45. May 5, 2017 10:09 am

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  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2017 2:46 pm

    Internet Speed: 36Mbps ..

    If you want higher pay for it yourself. The poor in Australia cannot afford Labors FTTP

  47. May 5, 2017 2:51 pm

    lt is not ponzi-training tbagz,,,, Not even in Janesville tbagz,,,, Do not believe what you saw on pbs today tbagz,,,, (-: (here`s a taste, but footage not on pbs yet)

    pbs-org,,,,Janesville, Wisconsin is not unlike a lot of Midwestern blue-collar, middle-class towns in America. Since the economy began its nosedive in 2008, Janesville residents, civic leaders, and businesses have been plunged into an extended cycle of hardship and uncertainty. And like other towns in other states across the nation, Janesville has found itself at a crossroads: As a place with more people than jobs, how can it reinvent and restore itself, and at what cost?

    Almost exactly one year after the recession officially began, General Motors shuttered its Janesville Assembly Plant , the oldest GM plant in all of North America , where for decades locals had held down good-paying mostly union jobs making SUVs and pickup trucks,,,,

    +++++

    I,,,,know because friends (who are rednecks for want of a better word) showed me,,,,

    # ,, l`m sure you had to search high`n low to find rednecks in bananaland (-:

    +++++

    # ,, yes team cheerer, l saw the military grade packaging victory on my abc, everybody is impressed on behalf of team nanny (-:

  48. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2017 3:06 pm

    The poor in Australia cannot afford Labors FTTP

    You mean the ones who are going to be paying for the libs $50BILLION tax bonanza for big business

    THOSE poor?

  49. May 5, 2017 3:12 pm

    The,,,,URL above tells a tale I agree with,,,,

    # ,, chuckle, l`m not going to even waste my time clicking it teebz, clearly Limited-news is off its leash creating #FakeNews , had they bothered to watch my abc, Limited-news would have seen talkbull and the-ronald `and` rupert all fawning all over each other on the insipid dinner.

    (ps any snubbing talkbull gets instead of a fist, is going soft in my book)

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2017 3:47 pm

    If you want higher pay for it yourself. The poor in Australia cannot afford Labors FTTP

    According to my telco I will be connected for free, will get higher speeds (cable/fibre hybrid) and will pay no more … quote: ” … you are NBN ready”

    And WTF makes you think I’m fkn rich …

    Drivel from the keyboard … or do you use Dragon? My how that would burn!

    You know nuthin’, neel of sydl*ey …

  51. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2017 3:50 pm

    looks the abc is about to become right wing fodder .. again

    An anonymous informant has told Barrie Cassidy that Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has misrepresented the facts around a shooting at the Manus Island detention centre for political advantage, and has alleged that Border Force staff are being asked to “become politically biased”.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-05/whistleblower-rejects-duttons-manus-island-shooting-story/8500310?pfmredir=sm

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2017 3:58 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/05/corporate-tax-analysis-reveals-five-alcohol-companies-paid-nothing-from-2013-15

    Robber Barons at the Uber Kapitalism Game!

    ► Multi-national Tax

    ► Negative Gearing

    ► Trust Funds

    ► Super Tax for Rich

    ► Pollie’s Perqs

    ► Ex-Pollies Perqs

    RC on Corporate Tax Avoidance and Offshore Accounts – Now!

    RC on Banks, Insurance, Superannuation and Financial Services – Now!

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2017 4:08 pm

    looks the abc is about to become right wing fodder .. again

    TR, I’ve mentioned before that when I was a training manager in PNG we sent staff home because of confrontations in the street between PNG Police and PNG Defence Force personnel … very ugly too …

    PNG is now far more volatile than ever … I suspect* that the weapons were discharged by the organisation above … and probably nothing to do with the refugee camps.

    (The other issue that always enters my mind when commenting about PNG is that the country is extremely religious – extremely – but as Christians … the missionaries did a very effective job there … and Australia sends Muslims into that community … ? Duh!)

  54. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2017 4:22 pm

    the missionaries did a very effective job there

    My friend grew up there. His mother was not impressed with what the missionaries had done there at all. In her opinion, they are as much responsible for the state of the country as anyone is

  55. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 5, 2017 4:56 pm

    Drain

    It was the Telegraph not the Courier Mail and the rednecks were in NSW, but I do take your point.

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2017 5:56 pm

    In her opinion, they are as much responsible for the state of the country as anyone is

    And she would be dead right! They (we) literally destroyed a primitive culture that actually worked in many ways (cruel and twisted in some ways – aren’t we?) …

    The worst day was the kidnapping … but we dealt with that as a family … frightening tho’ …

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2017 5:58 pm

    It was the Telegraph not the Courier Mail and the rednecks were in NSW, but I do take your point.

    Chuckle … could have been worse, Shane … those Mexicans are absolutely unpredictable!

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2017 7:19 pm

    You know nuthin’, neel of sydl*ey …

    Nobody knows how much Labors FTTP would cost. If you remember it was first thought up on the back of a drinks coaster on a plane flight in 2009. There were no costings until years latter. It most probably would never be finished and bankrupt the country. There were only 100,000 connections in 2013 with 12 million to go.

    I got NBN and had to pay only $10/month extra but i do not believe they are charging enough to cover costs.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2017 7:26 pm

    There were only 100,000 connections in 2013 with 12 million to go.

    Yer a Dickwit, neel, fuck off until you can tell the truth!

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2017 7:51 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network#Half-yearly_data_of_customer_uptake

    There were 70,000 connection in June 2013, 100,000 when Labor lost govt and 130,000 connected by the end of 2013. And there are 12 million connections to be done for the NBN

  61. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2017 10:03 pm

    You know nuthin’, neel of sydl*ey …

    🙂

    And speaking of whinging idiots

  62. May 6, 2017 8:02 am

    Janesville pbs Transcript

    HARI SREENIVASAN: But, first, the story of what happened to Janesville, Wisconsin, after its biggest employer shutdown. It`s the hometown of House Speaker Paul Ryan.

    PAUL SOLMAN: All free. All donated. A larder for the hungry begun surreptitiously by teacher Deri Eastman in 2008, when this proud industrial town of 63,000 was knocked for a loop.

    PAUL SOLMAN: Even by the time the last Chevy Tahoe rolled off the assembly line, there were still 1,200 workers making $28 an hour, all laid off, along with thousands of others at local GM suppliers.

    PAUL SOLMAN: And what was the difference in pay?

    MIKE VAUGHN: It was a lot less pay. Yes, a lot less pay.

    # ,, should have said a number dill

    PAUL SOLMAN: The Vaughns are success stories. Mike has worked his way back up to the salary he earned at Lear. Both have found new work they like locally. But they turn out to be stunning exceptions. Fully two-thirds of those who went to Blackhawk Technical College never finished.

    AMY GOLDSTEIN: This was a heartbreaking thing that I heard over and over from some of the people who work at the college, that people started a course, but they need to grab any job they could because they just didn`t have the money.

    PAUL SOLMAN: But even more heartbreaking: the minority who did get a degree fared worse than those who did not.

    AMY GOLDSTEIN: The people who retrained ended up less likely to have steady work. They had bigger drops in their wages than the people who hadn`t gone back to school. So, the question is, why?

    You know it`s possible that those few jobs that were around in the community were absorbed by the people who didn`t retrain.

    PAUL SOLMAN: So that if you were retraining, you were stepping out of line.

    AMY GOLDSTEIN: Exactly.

    Another possibility is that if you were successful at retraining and you managed to shift into a new line of work, it`s very likely that you were starting at the bottom of the ladder.

    PAUL SOLMAN: But whatever the reasons, job retraining, one of the precious few economic policies pretty much everyone lauds, simply fizzled.

    # ,, lt is not ponzi-training tbagz,,,, This is my resume tbagz,,,, When l was a boy tbagz,,,, These kids aren`t even trying tbagz,,,, (-: (-: (-: (-:

  63. May 6, 2017 8:12 am

    Sorry Folks, Try Janesville pbs Transcript

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2017 8:44 am

    “Parents all around Australia will be delighted when they know that during football matches and cricket matches, live sporting events before 8.30, there’ll be no more gambling ads,” Mr Turnbull told reporters Friday morning in New York, where he travelled to meet US President Donald Trump.

    “This will be welcomed by Australian parents right around the nation.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/turnbull-announces-plan-to-restrict-tv-gambling-ads-to-protect-kids/news-story/d7f9134e6d44f2db1c227674c0f10fe3

    Its obvious that TurnAbbott has no school age kids in his family … 8:30? On Friday and Saturday nights … what planet does he live on own …

    And its not kids that are complaining … its ADULTS! No ciggie ads, now brewery ads, no FKN gambling ads …

    MALCOLM Turnbull has revealed what he discussed with Donald Trump behind closed doors in New York, describing the encounter as “more family than formal”.

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=malcolm+turnbull+trump+feels+like+family&spf=563

    So … TurnAbbott’s family keeps him waiting too when he’s invited round?

    Not hard to understand, tho’ …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sorry Folks, Try Janesville

    Looks like you need some re-training in computer ops, tbagz … 🙂

    BTW you have a real problem if you think you can sit in one job, one career, one skill set, all your working life … the only thing that never changes is change itself …

    Life long learning isn’t just a slogan … it actually IS a way of surviving … its just harder to do if you resist …

    And WTF would buy a Chevy Tahoe?

    GM went bust in Australia too … because they didn’t build to the market … most people don’t want a souped up ute or raunchy sedan designed for the American midwest!

    They should have re-trained in market research … instead of simply relying on a trade name from the forties – Holden …

  65. May 6, 2017 9:09 am

    problem,,,,if you think you can sit in one job, one career, one skill set, all your working life,,,,

    # ,, yet l`ve never claimed that

    # ,, the point IS re-re-re-training (with hexdebts) is pointless when govt is ACTIVELY destroying jobs, workers and consuption-base.

    # ,, take a look at bananaland. Tourism, ag, water `and` seafood industries under threat because clowntown is foisting `adani-coal` on the state.

    # ,, take a look at canoeland. Interferring by clowntown on their power, cyclone/s and `dared` auto to go. (ditto boltsville)

    # ,, the fcuking idiots makeing everybody miserable and causing the damage is the `rulers-from-afar`. clowntown, washington, brussels etc

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2017 10:36 am

    This link is interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network#Half-yearly_data_of_customer_uptake

    Only 80,000 premises were connected to FTTP by Dec 2013 and that is now up to almost 1 million. But i thought FTTP had been abandoned and the network was going to be FTTN? I got FTTP when the NBN was installed at my place. And 449,000 are connected via FTTN. So most people have a FTTP connection

  67. May 6, 2017 10:42 am

    Or is `simply-fizzled` a politically correct way for a network to say `ponzi-scam` teebz?

    PAUL SOLMAN: But whatever the reasons, job retraining, one of the precious few economic policies pretty much everyone(#both-teams) lauds, simply fizzled.

    # ,, lt is not ponzi-training tbagz,,,, This is my resume tbagz,,,, When l was a boy tbagz,,,, These kids aren`t even trying tbagz,,,, (-: (-: (-: (-:

    souped,,,,up ute or raunchy sedan designed for the American,,,, ,,,,market-research,,,,

    # ,, As you should know from previous, l agree with you on all the market/product failures.

    # ,, but the guys that got it in the neck, were the factory-guys, that made NO decisions.

    # ,, You `should` know other dud management decisions ran alongside,

    # ,, Who decided to run expensive networks of `single-brand` new car only, car-yards? lnstead of having channels of distribution thru existing car-dealers.

    # ,, Who decided to push-out independent motor-mechs by filling cars with electronic crap which required a `licensed-repairer` with access to expensive `diagnostic` machines; which also chained the auto-maker to loss-making; branded repair-shops, alongside the car-yard?

    # ,, no amount of pleb re-re-re-re-training will-ever/would save the plebs from disfunctional management, team cheered by halfwit govt.

  68. May 6, 2017 5:47 pm

    ls anybody else following the France election?

    While l reckon tweet above makes a damn fine arguement, after all braying media and its pundits have a pretty good history for wrongness,

    But France has a solid history in retreating!

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2017 6:17 pm

    But i thought FTTP had been abandoned and the network was going to be FTTN?

    This why we know you talk shit, neel, …

    FYE (edification) … new developments get priority for NBN installations … therefore their landline phones, internet access are all fibre … however, the LIBERAL HYBRID NBN also slows their access … simply because its a FKN HYBRID!

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2017 6:24 pm

    # ,, no amount of pleb re-re-re-re-training will-ever/would save the plebs from disfunctional management, team cheered by halfwit govt.

    I agree, as a training consultant, I refused more than one contract (I had to win! My livelihood) because its was training for training’s sake …

    However, I specialised in management, health & safety and competency based learning … my experiences were mostly positive …

    Plebs can’t run businesses any better than most management teams … ’tis the way of the world …

    CEO’s get those big numbers incase of failure … tides ’em over … golden parachute shit!

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2017 6:39 pm

    Yer a Dickwit, neel, fuck off until you can tell the truth!

    Well i said there were 100,000 connections in 2013. Ok so i was wrong. There were 80,000 FTTP connections by Dec 2013. There are now almost 1 million FTTP connections. I actually thought FTTP connections had been stopped.

    By the way i got FTTP and i am not a new development.

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2017 7:20 pm

    By the way i got FTTP and i am not a new development.

    Are you sure … ?

    Do a speed test …

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2017 7:33 pm

    Yes i am sure. I asked the NBN guys and they said it was fibre. I thought the Coalition had stopped fibre. But my link shows 80,000 people had FTTP in 2013 and now it is almost 1 million. So lots of people still are getting FTTP which i thought was stopped.

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2017 7:35 pm

    How do you do a speed test?

  75. May 6, 2017 8:47 pm

    chop it up and snort it.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2017 10:10 pm

    LOL! 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    neel, the NBN is a hybrid – they use whatever they can get their hands on telephone copper, HFC cable, fibre, satellite, wifi, tin cans and string … Julie Andrews …

    Speed test …

    https://www.ozspeedtest.com/

  77. May 7, 2017 6:29 am

    XX https://www.ozspeedtest.com WRONG.

    All speed tests are currently conducted from our Bogota technical office.

    Please contact our technical service officer, Cassie Sainsbury in person during office hours for further assistance.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2017 9:49 am

    ? tbagz ?

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2017 10:23 am

    Well i did the speed test and got 22.8 Mbps

    neel, the NBN is a hybrid

    Yes but i thought they stopped doing FTTP because it was too expensive.

  80. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2017 10:30 am

    but i thought they stopped doing FTTP because it was too expensive.

    Every time I read a post from NILIAR, I feel the urge to conduct my own (reb inspired) speed test.

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2017 11:02 am

    Actually speed test said 22.8 Mbps for line speed and 2.85 Mbps for download speed. Not sure what the difference is.

  82. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2017 11:13 am

    Great, time for another Speed test 🙂

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2017 1:32 pm

    Actually speed test said 22.8 Mbps for line speed and 2.85 Mbps for download speed. Not sure what the difference is.

    The first is download speed – its slow … the second is upload … OK …

    But you’ve just proven that the Liberal Government’s Hybrid NBN is a waste of anyone’s money … the original NBN would have given you speeds at least twice as fast as you have now … and possibly four times as fast …

    Your fault … you voted for duds …

    My speed is still 36Mbps … on cable … the closest Node is less than 500 metres away … so I expect higher speeds than I already get … for the same price …

  84. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2017 1:37 pm

    But you’ve just proven that the Liberal Government’s Hybrid NBN is a waste of anyone’s money

    But i gave FTTP. Actually for my use i cannot tell the difference between ADSL and FTTP. And for the one millionth time nobody knows how much Labors NBN would cost. It was thought up on the back of a drinks coaster with so-called costings coming years latter.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2017 7:29 pm

    neel, I can’t help you … your mind is obsessed and no longer accepts facts … just Tory propaganda …

    FYI, everyone knew that Labor’s NBN would be very expensive … most government projects are … but the smart Australians figure that a swift NBN is better value than seven subs

    AUSTRALIA is spending $50 billion over 30 years on 12 new submarines to upgrade our ageing fleet.

    Or the F35 fiasco IT WAS supposed to be Australia’s next generation fighter, a weapon capable of destroying and outrunning any enemy. Six years on from a $1 trillion investment, it appears incapable of both.

    Oddly enough the modern world runs on trade not war …

    … but as a Liberal die hard (who wouldn’t know the butt from the barrel) you won’t get that …

    Guess who wants to build subs and warplanes (when we should be building air and sea drones) The LIBERAL government.

    Guess what wars are won by? – COMMUNICATION!

    Guess which country has been crippled by its government in modern communication? The TURNABBOTT government!

    History will tell you which party takes over in times of war declared by a Liberal government (’cause it needs good management) – – can you guess? Go on … try.

  86. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2017 9:15 pm

    And for the one millionth time nobody knows how much Labors NBN would cost.

    And for the one millionth and one time

    https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-cos-second-corporate-plan-in-numbers-311348

    NILIAR!

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2017 9:48 pm

    TR, its painful … like discussing sex with a three year old!

    +++++++++++++++++++

    And for the one millionth time nobody knows how much Labors NBN would cost.

    Because, you voted ’em out, neel, now we will never know … but it would have been world class … what we have now as you have proven is third world class … drums in the jungle …

    Having a network and calling it the NBN is fine… what its actually capable of is another thing … FTTP would have been superfast … HYBRID NBN is what it is – slow, slow, fast, slow.

    neel, do you still have ADSL?

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2017 6:36 am

    FTTP would have been superfast

    Perhaps but super expensive. Nobody knows how much FTTP would cost or even the benefits. Labor said in 2010 there would be 1.3 million homes having access to FTTP by 2013. Absolute rubbish so why should i trust their costings? No Australian would pay $300/month for FTTP.

  89. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 8, 2017 7:54 am

    Pensioners, screwed by this government and then thrown $75 bone as a one off payment to help pay this winters electricity bill.

    FFS $75 is 27% of the MPs daily cash payment for staying in Canberra at their partners negatively geared investment property. Pensioners once, MPs every dog forsaken day they attend their place of work. A rort of epic proportions.

    It really sickens me and Xenephon has a lot to answer for. My support for than man has dissipated immensely and it will be interesting to see what happens to his party at the next election.

  90. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:09 am

    NILIAR is still rambling with lies backed up by ignorance I see. Irrelevant little worm.

    Bigger things are afoot, like Labor chasing hanson down the xenophonic rabbit hole.

    They better rectify this, else they’ll lose more votes than they’d garner from a crowd I wouldn’t want the vote of in the first place.

    xenophobic

  91. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:15 am

    and then thrown $75 bone as a one off

    And the media is spruiking it like it’s the play of the century.

    In the real world.

    Eastern seaboard consumers could see electricity prices rise by as much as 30 per cent by June, expert warns

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-08/experts-issue-power-price-warning-emissions-intensity-scheme/8499656

    And viva la France. They still have more guts than most of the rest of the world.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:28 am

    Duh!

    A Queensland man who had his leg completely torn off by a shark has been refused Centrelink payments after the welfare agency told him he wasn’t disabled enough.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:45 am

    It really sickens me and Xenephon has a lot to answer for.

    My feelings too, Shane, when the “deal” was struck … and it’s $125 per couple … $62.50 each … talk about being sold down the river …

    … what really pisses me off is that they think we don’t understand their fkn around with our money and our lives …

    13 pieces of silver …

  94. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:47 am

    Duh!

    My wife got a letter a day before Easter, which, by the time she got it (it was prepared 9 days earlier) told her she needed Dr’s evidence for her bad back. Which gave her 4 days after Easter to organise a Dr appointment (it MUST be with the Dr who has overseen her for the past seven years)

    She got to see him, only to be told, he was going on holidays and couldn’t do it until he gets back in a month.

    She finally got through to centerlink, with about 3 hrs to spare, and has got an extension .. for three weeks.

    Pretty sure she will be kicked off, purely through the rigidity (okay, I’ll call it as I see it, duplicity) of the system. Probably be better off if I quit work should that happen, which I really don’t want to do, as I finally found a satisfying job that suits me perfectly.

    I’m sure one of the levels of hell is reserved for whoever devised this system.

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:51 am

    Bloody unions! Oh! Wait!

    A worker has recovered $85,000 after the Fair Work Ombudsman found a Victorian seafood processing business underpaid him for 16 years.

    The general hand, who assisted in loading and unloading stock, was paid between $9 to $11.50 an hour, and worked an average of 22 to 35 hours.

    The Box Hill employer told the Fair Work Ombudsman the employee had been paid a lower rate because they believed he had a reduced capacity to carry out tasks, and had hired him out of compassion.

    But the ombudsman said the employer had failed to check their legal obligations.

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:56 am

    I’m sure one of the levels of hell is reserved for whoever devised this system.

    System? What system?

    Unless you mean systemic bastardry … ?

    (BTW not convinced hell exists … just sayin’… )

  97. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:57 am

    yep, Unions = BOO! TB 😉

  98. May 8, 2017 11:04 am

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2017 11:20 am

    FYI, everyone knew that Labor’s NBN would be very expensive …

    But we knew the importance of it to the nation’s future, we thought it was worth taxpayer funding, only the short sighted, clueless couldn’t see the value of it.

    Good to see Bill Shorten out spruiking for catholic schools this am, wish he showed the same enthusiasm for public schools.

    I thought that bill shorten ad was a parody, is it really real?

  100. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 11:25 am

    HOLY

    SHIT

    And he should know, he’s followed a few [facepalm]

  101. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 11:41 am

    Stick this where the sun gets way too often bramston

  102. May 8, 2017 11:50 am

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 11:50 am

    If the government scraps the media licencing fees … doesn’t that reduce Revenue?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Stick this where the sun gets way too often bramston

    That’s what I want in a leader … accepts the criticism … admits his mistake … and provides a remedy and a promise to change …

    But will it work with the snipers? and news.corpse …?

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 11:51 am

    reb of Melbourne

    May 8, 2017 11:50 am

    They should be able to spell TurnAbbott by now surely!

  105. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 11:55 am

    doesn’t that reduce Revenue?

    not for murdoch

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2017 12:52 pm

    Irrelevant little worm.

    Labors second NBN was thought up on the back of a drinks coaster on a plane flight costing who knows what finished who knows when. Costings did not happen until years after the NBN was started. Australians want affordable broadband not Rolls Royce broadband.

    The worst thing about the current NBN is that the govt is building it. This means it will take much longer and be more expensive than necessary. They had to come out to my place three times before they could get the NBN working. And to my surprise i got FTTP and cannot tell any difference between ADSL and FTTP for my purposes.

  107. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 1:42 pm

    NBN was thought up on the back of a drinks coaster on a plane flight

    Now you SEE why you are an Irrelevant little worm NILIAR

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 2:34 pm

    And to my surprise i got FTTP and cannot tell any difference between ADSL and FTTP for my purposes.

    AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

    Its not about YOUR purposes, neel … it about health, education, training, commerce, industry, military, manufacturing, agriculture and stuff we haven’t even thought about … as well as communication and entertainment … neither of which would interest you one iota, I’m sure …

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 2:37 pm

    … not for Murdoch

    I was referring to government revenue … you know the stuff they have very little of to spend on the upkeep/maintenance of society in general (but lots to spend on cops … and weaponry for air force and navy) …

  110. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 3:48 pm

    I was referring to government revenue

    I know, I was just pointing out where government revenue our taxes were actually going.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 4:35 pm

    Yep!

  112. May 8, 2017 4:44 pm

    have,,,,supported the ALP since a kid. I don`t support Shorten. I don`t like him or the company he keeps (IPA) & his wave thru with LNP,,,,

    # ,, ha-ha armchair, l`ve noticed that too. `Blibs-a-dud` is definitely being noticed a lot more by public now (greenz must be laughing) What-TF is wrong with these dcikheads? They only have to turn on the telly to see Plib performs way better that wishy-washy charlie brown-like blib. They still haven`t learned anything going on that dumb fcuking advert either; while l only saw TV-snips; why is blib fcuking about making ads 2-years away from election anyway? At the rate team-blib is going; the greenz have no fcuking hope dragging blibs sorry arse over the line next time.

    # ,, lt looks like we will head into 2019 being offered a double dose of bugger-all again; from two groups of destructive idiots. l don`t know if you`ve been working/ up-late at night. l`ve caught a couple of bbc/france24 aljazeerah reports on sars/bird-flu; in philipines and indonesia over the last couple of months; and fakenews aren`t telling us during the day. l wonder if this is because both teams have been `cutting` the csiro. Keep an ear/eye open as indo/ philipines are only one `hop` to png for the birds, then one more to us.

    # ,, l also see the braindead adf can`t stop sexually assaulting itself long enough to realize they`re being stuffed into F35 shaped coffins. You would think by now they would have woken up and paid the teabags a little `off-record` tooled-up visit. At least they have a network `compatable` with the rest of their equipment.

  113. May 8, 2017 6:13 pm

    reb!! ,, l love sean spicers `georgeW-isms` that mock prime meddler trumbull at the global level, too bad we can`t poach him from the-ronald

    shane!! ,, l agree the pension deal is crap, and xeno may have just democrate-like horse traded his way to extinction, l won`t be surprised if he takes a big hit for this horse trade.

    # ,, l see the anti-frexit save-the swampers are quite gleeful on my abc today; because macron won in france. They don`t realize that france needs to have its `own` version of `new-labor`, TonyBlair, `new-label slapped on the old box of crap`; more of the same, which is sure to grow Le-rustbelt before a frexit.

    # ,, Court Transcript. Only for `power-nerds`, (hearing against democats rigging against bernie)

    http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/042517cw2.pdf

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2017 6:15 pm

    Now you SEE why you are an Irrelevant little worm NILIAR

    Strange comment from someone who said Joe Hockey scared off the car industry by saying BOO.

    But it looks like there is truth in that allegation that the current NBN was thought up on a plane flight. I thought it was madness when i first heard the allegation but it looks like the plane flight happened and there is no doubt stuff was jotted down most probably on that drinks coaster

    But we need spending cuts in tomorrows budget but it ain’t gunna happen. The budget will be in deficit for years. So goodbye AAA credit rating. Looks like running surplus budgets is not as easy as Costello made it look.

  115. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 6:49 pm

    `Blibs-a-dud` is definitely being pushed hard by the media, and lapped up by idiots who spend their days counting coloured cartons

    But it looks like there is truth in that allegation

    Only to a moribund simpleton. After all of the evidence shown, you still persist with your lies.

    Well, persist away NILIAR!

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 7:11 pm

    l also see the braindead adf …

    neel’s cousin …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Looks like running surplus budgets is not as easy as Costello made it look.

    And you still don’t know why! FMD!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Any blood on your screen yet, TR …

    Still every good story has to have a protagonist and an antagonist to “work” …

    Speaking of … I’ve just finished my last (15) Reacher novel … (thank your neph, KL!)

    But I think there is a 16th – research tomorrow!

    That’s Tom Clancy and Lee Child … now where? 🙂

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2017 7:12 pm

    Only to a moribund simpleton. After all of the evidence shown, you still persist with your lies.

    What lies? To my surprise looks like there was a plane flight in 2009 and there is no doubt stuff was written down and modified on that coaster. The costings came several years latter. If the Coalition had been so disorganised you would have a different opinion about the NBN.

    But my concern is about the poor.They cannot afford to pay $300/month for the internet. Having a govt company build this thing is a big mistake.

  118. May 8, 2017 7:21 pm

    Ad-homs don`t fcuking help you team-cheerer. Viewers only need look at the sheer annoyance on Albo`s face over blibs `mighty-white` advert, (which didn`t get shown to Albo before release, seems to be done behind Albos back) to know blib is a fcuking dud. Your `denial` won`t help the greenz drag blibs useless arse into watermelon govt. Albo`s face says it all.

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 8, 2017 7:38 pm

    Yes, I don’t feel confident that bill shorten will lead the class war 🙂

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2017 7:39 pm

    If the Coalition had been so disorganised you would have a different opinion about the NBN.

    Its even MORE Dopey! That’s why your NBN connection is no different to you ADSL!

    They cannot afford to pay $300/month

    More LIES no-one pay $300 …

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2017 7:46 pm

    And you still don’t know why! FMD!

    Costello ran surplus budgets because he spent less than he received in revenue. That is why your list on ways to get more tax revenue would never work. If a Labor govt got more revenue they would just spend it. And looks like the current Coalition govt would as well.

  122. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:20 pm

    Your `denial`

    Is this where I point to the polls?

    I don’t feel confident that bill shorten will lead the class war

    He already is, and has been for years.

    The unhinging from the media prove it.

    Of course, getting lined up in with hunt commission isn’t ‘class war’, is it 😉

  123. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2017 9:40 pm

    Govt to introduce legislation for broadband tax

    https://www.itnews.com.au/news/govt-to-introduce-legislation-for-broadband-tax-460847

    That should read “Govt to introduce legislation for broadband tax to pay for liberals wrecking of our infrastructure”

    And they did it DELIBERATELY

    The same as our power woes

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2017 12:35 am

    Of course, getting lined up in with hunt commission isn’t ‘class war’, is it…

    I know what you mean tomR, but I’m just not happy with the direction that I feel a soulless Labor has been going for the last decade, I wonder too, if bill shorten is a big part of that. The ad that he apologised for reminds me of his ‘private school’ stuff-up last year. Who is his team that can come up with something like that ad? So fkn bland and pretty much shows where shorten thinks his votes are, the white middle class. Today we had a catholic, private school educated shorten out and about trying to score points by attacking the libs for cutting funds for catholic private schooling – where the fuck do public schools fit in his plans, if at all?
    We have the libs representing the wealthy elite and shorten the labor wealthy elite, it’s like ordinary people have been forgotten by all and can exist on the safety net in this country. No wonder australians have become so selfish and uncaring of others, it comes from the top down.
    I can’t wait to see if Labor’s left wing will be able to force Shorten Labor to policy concessions, would love to see an Albo doing a Jeremy Corbyn to Labor.

  125. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 9, 2017 5:23 am

    Now I know for sure that Mark Latham has lost the plot completely.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/exlabor-leader-mark-latham-joins-liberal-democrats-20170508-gw0dnp.html

  126. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 6:39 am

    where the fuck do public schools fit in his plans, if at all?

    With the original Gonski. You understand that, under the libs plan, the public system will be no better off also?

    But, I agree just looks like petty politics, and Labor should have done what Gonski originally proposed and cut the private schools, but, well, malware will find out now why Labor didn’t.

    I can understand why they want to hang him out to dry, and, their message is wider than just the private schools, but, that is what will be focussed on. It would be better if they just let that through, but, they are attacking the package as a whole.

    Shorten has said he agrees with the cutting of the private schools. He should follow that through.

  127. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 9:00 am

    under the libs plan, the public system will be no better off also?

    I call bullshit (oops)

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/09/schools-hit-list-revealed-online-tool-shows-gonski-20-winners-and-losers?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Which makes Labors opposition even worst.

    It’s not ideal, but it’s far better than what the libs have ever done before.

  128. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 9:32 am

    I haven’t watched the 4corners show yet, but, sounds like the abc doing a fair bit of selective reporting

  129. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 9:38 am

    I think (?) this article pretty much reflects your comments ao, and it is hard to disagree with them. Or the conclusion

    The problem for Shorten here is simple: he looks cynical. He looks like a typical politician, willing to say what needs to be said if it will get him a vote. And the problem with that is that it’s the message his opponents have been pushing for some time.

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/sean-kelly/2017/08/2017/1494225729/shorten-makes-some-mistakes

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2017 10:09 am

    What can I say? This little extract tells us all what stinks about our politcs and politicians

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/may/09/australia-federal-budget-2017-live
    …The story also contains a warning from the former Labor premier Anna Bligh, now chief executive of the Australian Bankers Association, on any bank levy.

    Any new tax or levy specific to banks could have serious unintended consequences. It has the potential to affect the stability of the financial system, compromise the ability of banks to finance economic growth and jobs, and would be a direct attack on the savings of mum and dad shareholders. It would also be inconsistent with the federal government’s objective of ensuring the financial system is unquestionably strong…

    Banking RC Anna?

    ‘Vendetta against young people’: Q&A audience member accuses Coalition
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/09/vendetta-against-young-people-qa-audience-member-accuses-coalition

    Looks interesting, I haven’t seen Q&A yet, I’ll do it now before going off to work.

    Tell me, was it any easier [politically] for Whitlam back in the day to give free education & health to the masses?
    I know the coalition has spent the decades undoing whitlam’s policies, they hated them, but Labor has been a willing partner in the zeal for neoliberal australia.

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2017 10:33 am

    Thanks for that link tomR

    …Labor, in backing the overegged claims that Catholic school fees will rise astronomically, has gone with the church instead, the same side Tony Abbott has chosen. What does that tell you?…

    yes, exactly

    also

    …Recently, Shorten and his treasury spokesman Chris Bowen have antagonised Labor’s Left by refusing to countenance adopting the “Buffett rule”, imposing a minimum tax rate on rich people. The Left has been testing its strength for some time now. If it gets the sense it is being treated as a “junior partner” in Labor’s march towards government, my guess is the pushback will be pretty hard…

    Does shorten have an inkling that people are unhappy with the major parties and how they operate? Or is he just being part of the arrogant duopoly, thinking that government will eventually come Labor’s way and people will just have to accept what they are given? More of the same, no introspection, we know what’s best.

  132. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 10:36 am

    but Labor has been a willing partner in the zeal for neoliberal australia.

    Except of course for

    NBN
    Gonski
    NDIS
    and their defense of

    Medicare
    TAFE
    Universities

    you know, those sort of things 😉

  133. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 11:01 am

    Does shorten have an inkling that people are unhappy with the major parties and how they operate?

    Yes, it seems bizarre to me too AO, and, I thought that they had been tapping into that.

    But, Shorten has, to date, been one step ahead of them all (the libs and hte media). Time will tell if he still is, or if this really is a major mistake.

    I note that both Labor and the Greens support the removal of funding for rich schools, but not any of hte remainder of the package. Yet the Greens were (last I heard) supporting it, and Labor opposing it.

    I’m still not sure who is right there

  134. May 9, 2017 11:30 am

    GOLD!

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  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2017 1:03 pm

    I note that both Labor and the Greens support the removal of funding for rich schools, but not any of hte remainder of the package. Yet the Greens were (last I heard) supporting it, and Labor opposing it.
    I’m still not sure who is right there

    I think private enterprise have had it too good for too long, they have two political parties representing them [LNP], I’d like to see Labor being proud of it’s union support and representation and opposing the continual rent seeking and taxpayer funding that private industry receives instead of being part of it.
    If the PHI can’t support itself, let it go like the car building industry, same for education. Taxpayers pay for public funded services and if people go outside of that they should be prepared to pay for it, where did this “I want to send my kids to a private school and I demand the taxpayers fund it” come from? John Howard & Costello have a lot to answer for – they created middle class welfare that is causing budget deficits forever. People think that if we fund welfare recipients, we should also fund their aspirations, somehow that is being fair!

    Way past time to tackle the free pass that religion receives in this country, it is enormous and it appears to be a bipartisan issue forced upon us by the politicians, it’s never even a public debate, why not?

    Causing a major split in Labor- why? Who in Labor wants to keep funding fossil fuels?

    I do hope he’s not!

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 9, 2017 1:39 pm

    BREAKING: Alan Joyce from @Qantas hit with cream pie at Perth business breakfast.

    A disaffected Qantas customer?

    I wish that became a trend – every time we don’t like the effects of their policies on us!

    Our politicians ensure they are well protected from any accidental contact with the public, we send shivers down their spines, they need security, barriers, police control etc

  137. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 3:02 pm

    I hadn’t seen this

    The NDIS and Gonski WERE fully funded under Labor

  138. May 9, 2017 3:18 pm

    4corners,,, l did watch it team-cheerer. lt seems under jooLiar and bananaland-alp they managed to set-up the `drain-the-nation` of gas system out of gladstone. The west-coast demands 15%-gas retained for local use. Once again, (for most of the reasons armchair said above) team-knifes dedication to neo-teabagism has fcuked the east-coast over. Your bleating/ alp-twits-bleating/ that my abc/ 4corners didn`t muck about with joolyas carbon not-a-tax-price is a load of crap. You can`t tax/price gas you don`t have. l know l have a reputation of being way too fcuking soft on braying media; but your blaming 4cornerz/ my-abc for not having gas is horse-shit. Blame needs to rest where it correctly belongs; with team-knife; under jooLiar for gas; and under blib for `mighty-white` advert bullshit.

    qantas,,, maybe `ground` crew were just giving joyce his bonus! (-:

    gonski,,, gonski2.0,,, gonski9.0,,, will all be filled with long-winded greasy terms, that won`t run on or produce fair, sensible results for public who will lose. l say that withOUT reading, or having to read any of it. lt will be a continual mangling by both teams; to the teams ideology; while `delivery` will always be different to whats promised. The treating of everything as a `market` by both teams will always ensure it is mangled.

  139. May 9, 2017 3:46 pm

    Yes l saw east-coast bank-whore bligh on reportland spouting their nonsense armchair. Well done to teebz for calling out she was a cnut ages ago.

    Too bad for team cheerer tho, it just reminded me bligh was premier when team-knife under joolya; set-up the east-coast `gas-drought` we now have. Everybody remembers joolya under blighs feet `photo-op` seeking during a flood/disaster right? #yaaay.team

  140. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 4:16 pm

    set-up the east-coast `gas-drought` we now have.

    Can you recall a little thing called a ‘Carbon Price’ team dribbler?

    Context, get some! And then turn your attention to the real wrecker, instead of thrashing about brainlessly and following the abc’s dog whistle away from the real culprit

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/tax-could-end-lng-advantage-20110712-1hc6t.html

  141. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2017 4:19 pm

    The NDIS and Gonski WERE fully funded under Labor

    How can something be fully funded when we are running $40B deficits?

  142. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 4:26 pm

    How can you be so stupid and still manage to breath successfully?

  143. May 9, 2017 4:28 pm

    “”I wish that became a trend “”

    I agree.

    There should be more “throwing of shoes,” “hurling of sandwiches” and “pies in faces..”

    Those who think they deserve a veneer of respectability simply for turning up in expensive suits deserve our unbridled scorn and ridicule…!

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2017 4:29 pm

    Surely you do not trust anything Banks or Swans says? But i guess you do since you are on the same team. One day the NBN will have to be added to the budget and that will blow the deficit.

  145. May 9, 2017 4:30 pm

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  146. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 4:36 pm

    The perfect budget night game

  147. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 4:39 pm

    for the ventilator

  148. May 9, 2017 4:55 pm

    Context, get some,,,,,, When you can`t build canoes, then how can you be expected to identify `context`, silly me, l`ll spell it out, again!

    From above. ,, The west-coast demands 15%-gas retained for local use.

    This is called MANAGING and GOVERNING team-cheerer, the west-coast govt `demand-on-biz` they `retain-for-local` use 15%-of-the-GAS.

    Not Open Slather.

    While on the east-coast we get,

    the east-coast `gas-drought` we now have.

    Due To Open Slather.

    Created by allowing biz to sell and spot trade contracts containing 100% of the east-coast Gas, because joolya and bligh FAILED to MANAGE the gas supply and FAILED to GOVERN biz and RETAIN a percentage of Gas for LOCAL use.

    You can`t carbon not-a-tax-price GAS you don`t have.

  149. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 5:03 pm

    You’re getting as stupid a nil

    read the links, and note the impact the Carbon Price would have had on lng exports

    This is the market controlling the flow.

    Until the market was destroyed.

  150. May 9, 2017 5:34 pm

    Nobody here gives a flying fcuk about `exports` you team-cheering peanut. lt is ALL about LOCAL costs going thru the roof DUE to NO local suppy available. lt also does NOT matter if a carbon-tax OR market pushes the price beyond `my` or biz ability to use it. Hence, family home went back to `open-fire`-place when gas heater died. Jobs will go where lots of GAS is used.

  151. May 9, 2017 6:12 pm

    You can never have too many unclassified hallucinogens.

  152. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 6:18 pm

    Nobody here gives a flying fcuk about `exports` you team-cheering peanut. lt is ALL about LOCAL costs going thru the roof DUE to NO local suppy available.

    You can never have too many unclassified hallucinogens.

    ROFL

  153. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 6:31 pm

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2017 6:39 pm

    Those who think they deserve a veneer of respectability simply for turning up in expensive suits deserve our unbridled scorn and ridicule…!

    I’ve always wondered what you wear to work, sreb! heheheh

  155. May 9, 2017 6:42 pm

    Oh l know reb. On one side we get told stickytaping legacy wires onto fiber networks is innovation, while the other side claims its abdicating of governing to market gouging is an election winner. #yaaay.team

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2017 6:44 pm

    After reading since my last comment … I’m fucking overwhelmed!

    Where’s the nearest Dictator … its the only way I can see to get rid of all the shit floating on the top! And I mean floating!

    What a disaster this country has become …

    I blame neel!

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2017 7:08 pm

    On one side we get told stickytaping legacy wires onto fiber networks is innovation,

    Wrong. My team says FTTP would cost who knows what finished who knows when. Furthermore we would have been the only country doing FTTP built by the govt. I might have a different opinion if private enterprise was building it. And it if was not conceived on the back of a drinks coaster on some plane flight. It reminds me of Soviet Russia for some reason.

  158. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 7:10 pm

    its abdicating of governing to market gouging

    Only if you ignore reality, nil(?)

  159. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 7:14 pm

    My team says FTTP would cost who knows what

    The same ones who said they would get rid of debt?

  160. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 7:18 pm

    A leaked draft copy of NBN Co’s latest corporate plan has provided further confirmation debunking the Coalition’s claim that Labor’s all-fibre version of the NBN could cost as much as $94 billion, as evidence continues to stack up that deploying fibre to the premises is not as expensive in Australia as previously thought.

    https://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/27/leak-shows-coalitions-nbn-costings-wrong/

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2017 7:28 pm

    It reminds me of Soviet Russia for some reason.

    So when did you emigrate to Australia?

    My team says FTTP would cost who knows what

    Like the LIBERAL HYBRID … but the difference is that we would not have had ongoing repairs to copper and cable for decades … and FTTP is guaranteed to be FASTER!

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2017 7:30 pm

    My team says FTTP would cost who knows what …

    MY TEAM? What fkn team? Neel Inc.?

  163. May 9, 2017 9:10 pm

    Sorry team-cheerer, but all you have accomplished is proving my points. Scroll up and take a look at yourself, you are just as willing to mindlessly chant your teams talk-points and practice `denial` (without even seeing 4corners) and blame every/anything else.

    Ultimately the solid Fact remains that the west-coast acted ethically and smart on gas and governed (not-abdicated) that 15%-gas remains local. lf you were smarter and more ethical yourself, you would be pissed that jooLiar, bligh and rest of east-coast fcuked you/us over on gas. lnstead you prefer denial, which aint any different to the stickytape gang.

  164. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2017 10:04 pm

    Will we see the words ‘backflip’?

    After nearly a decade of saying the problem was all on the spending side, the Liberal party has finally admitted that there is a revenue problem

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2017/may/09/australia-federal-budget-2017-10-graphs-you-need-to-see-greg-jericho?CMP=share_btn_tw

  165. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 10, 2017 7:04 am

    Seems like the LNP has turned into the ALP. This was far more an ALP policy budget than anything the LNP have been harping on about for the last 4 years. Not a bad budget really.

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2017 8:45 am

    After nearly a decade of saying the problem was all on the spending side, the Liberal party has finally admitted that there is a revenue problem

    Funny how the rules have all changed since the Libs have made a complete hash of the economy and governing in general! 😠

    And the media lets them get away with it, murdoch media providing the excuses and defending their team. No screaming headlines, no mayhem and madness as portrayed when Labor was in and actually trying to implement this stuff. What excuses will the sheeples who exist on a diet of the oz and skynews hear?

    Who in the media will call bullshit on their own? Lenore?

    Nothing will change for the rusted ons like kneel, he can have all the evidence pointed out to him and will still blather on about what he “can’t believe” because the cognitive dissonance starts to cause a painful storm in his head.

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2017 8:51 am

    This was far more an ALP policy budget than anything the LNP have been harping on about for the last 4 years. Not a bad budget really.

    Trying to win back votes is all it is. Would the hardliners, the conservative warriors like abbott and the libertarians like it? [I’m asking because I was at work and haven’t heard anything about it yet, haven’t switched on the telly or radio – just enjoying peace and coffee for the moment] ☮

  168. Tom R permalink
    May 10, 2017 9:15 am

    And the media lets them get away with it,

    Exactly. Most of what I have seen is .. Labor is toast because … the libs stole your idea.

    Will one stand up and say “Labor was right all along, we (all) were wrong”?

    Having said that, it doesn’t sound too bad

    Devil in the detail

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2017 9:18 am

    Gillian Triggs has said cuts to the 457 visa program and an increase in visa cancellations were being carried out “on what look to be racist grounds”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/09/gillian-triggs-says-coalitions-457-visa-changes-appear-to-be-motivated-by-racism

    …Triggs, the president of the Australian human rights commission, made the comments while addressing doctors at the Royal Australasian College of Physicians congress in Melbourne on Tuesday, where she was speaking about the moral and ethical obligations of physicians in the current political environment.

    “While asylum seekers have been declining in numbers, the number of those visa cancellations on character grounds are going up,” Triggs said.

    She said Australian-based detention centres like Western Australia’s Yongah Hill and Villawood in New South Wales were largely “out of sight and mind” for the public.

    “But they are filling up with visa cancellations,” she said, adding that she was concerned about a general “environment of nationalism, jingoism and populism being played out in a way that is racist and one that, in our experience in the Human Rights Commission, is increasingly based on some form of Islamic fear”.

    She added that she was pleased that the opposition leader, Bill Shorten, had pulled a Labor party advertisement called “Employ Australians First”, which used a group of predominately white Australians to promote the message “build Australian first, buy Australian first and employ Australians first”.

    “He has moved quickly to pull the ad but it’s extremely worrying [that it was created],” she said…

    You go girl!

    Triggs has more steel in her spine than anyone else in the country – let’s give her a medal for courage under fire!

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2017 9:22 am

    Looks like we will be in budget deficit for years owing more and more to foreigners.

    Howard/Costello turned a large budget deficit into a surplus within 12 months

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2017 9:22 am

    Will we see the words ‘backflip’?

    For once I’m waiting to hear Das Propoganda Mann Corman prattle on about the new budget compared to the 2014 Hockey Disaster or which he was a major part …

    I want to know why he’s still Finance Minister?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Not a bad budget really.

    But a big thumping for uni students – since when was a uni student “responsible” for a government “deficit” …

    Had they tackled NEGATIVE GEARING and CAPITAL GAINS TAX they could have actually helped uni students instead of kicking them when they were down and still coming to terms with cuts to their income via penalty rate cuts!

    And assisted first home buyers!

    And repaired the budget they fkd up buying big boys toys for the military!

    There should be legislation preventing any politician from owning any negatively geared property … ’cause that’s the main reason they won’t touch it!

    At least they left the pensioners alone this time … The Mad Abbott must be seething!

    No more “fixing” Labor’s mess, either … LOL!

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2017 9:26 am

    Triggs has more steel in her spine than anyone else in the country – let’s give her a medal for courage under fire!

    Chuckle …

    And she keeps sticking her head up over the trenches and getting shot at!

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2017 9:27 am

    Howard/Costello turned a large budget deficit into a surplus within 12 months

    … – – – … … – – – … … – – – … … – – – …

  174. I See A Chicane permalink
    May 10, 2017 9:56 am

    Not a bad budget really.

    Is it? Pull on this thread; and watch generously-staged Federal-State public-asset churns wind through under-developed back-corridors of (im)media(ted) amnesia. P’raps.)

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2017 10:16 am

    One day the debt from the NBN disaster will have to be added to the budget.

  176. May 10, 2017 10:43 am

    (Pull on this thread,,,, Hockey dared their boss to go,,,, Workers sacked are now `default-junkies` when they join centrally linked income support,,,, (non)random drug testing under guise of `participation` work readiness.)

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2017 10:59 am

    And repaired the budget they fkd up buying big boys toys for the military!

    oh ffs!

  178. May 10, 2017 11:34 am

    lt gets sillier by the moment doen`t it folks,,,, poor tony overheu feels bulldozed against his will,,,, so he needs to do a little lemon meringue pie p,o,o,ft,er bashing on joyce,,,, now there is no arguement l can make against boardrooms needing a pie bashing from time to time,,,, but tony-pie seems to have found the weakest reason. https://t.co/MOTVjqEx7J

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2017 11:43 am

    sorry forgot to put up quote marks for TB’s

    “…And repaired the budget they fkd up buying big boys toys for the military!…

  180. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2017 12:24 pm

    And repaired the budget they fkd up buying big boys toys for the military!

    Swan turned a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months.

    I see TB is telling lies again.The big boys toys for the military have not even arrived therefore have no effect on the budget at the moment

  181. May 10, 2017 12:35 pm

    Except they could have built 50-overpriced Labor-networks and kept a lot of `spare-change` instead of all the F35 coffins.

  182. Smashing(s) Saving(s) permalink
    May 10, 2017 1:09 pm

    (….under guise of `participation` work readiness.

    Pfft. Naturally, getting the kiddies and the oldies acculturated to the perfectly reasonable idea that (compulsory) ‘income (mis)management’ attaches to the (stigmatised) person(s), not (just) the(ir) ‘(trial) location(s)’, is all part of the super-intended extended community service; as are incremental upward adjustment(s) to (fortnightly) exposures to opportunities for enhanced (mis)application(s) of (withdrawal(s) (of) penalties; because it’s not as if like-minded regimens around the world aren’t in(to) the altruistic business of measurably reducing (otherwise-eligible) uptakes of (universal (basic welfare) payment(s) (safety nets), by as much as 30% and more in some comparably-advanced economies and for relevant (sub-)populations, and, thereby, of automatic stabilisers; with all the micro and macro benefits, and none of the (anti)social destructivities, one might almost expect of (mis)appropriat(iv)e piss-taking(s) on behalf of (a) broader, broadly grateful, broadly income(/outcome)-(in)secure (workaday) community(ies).)

  183. May 10, 2017 1:49 pm

    (Still pulling the thread,,,, Of course centrally linked oldies with connections to (big)pharma are (mis)users of medicare for entertainment purposes and can(not) be work(tillyadrop) ready under or over current system. The (un)caring govt understands the centrally linked oldies are a terrible example to the centrally linked kiddies that are not work(tillyadrop) ready either. Thank dog altruistic business is available to perform the outsauced fortnightly (non)pharma measurabilitys on centrally linked kiddies; on behest of (un)caring govt.)

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2017 3:07 pm

    M, re “value capture” (another new made up, shit, finance fiddle frase, to confuse the weary and wary) …

    Most people are till figuring out that “gearing” means borrowing!

    “We need a cultural gear change in the way that we look at urban infrastructure,” Mr Turnbull said. “Transport infrastructure changes a community. It can change it for good or ill. It can unite a community or it can divide it. It can create enormous value, enormous value in real estate, enormous value in added amenity. It has to be looked at in a complete urban context.”

    Devil in the detail … gambling with people’s lives and investor’s fortunes?

    EG!

    It can unite a community or it can divide it. When will it fkn end!

    Sharpen, sharpen … grease, grease … do the Elites know the end is nigh? And what that end results in?

    Vive la Revolucion!

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2017 3:10 pm

    “”””And repaired the budget they fkd up buying big boys toys for the military!””””

    oh ffs!

    What? You think they should be spending billions on big boys toys, KL? ‘Cause I don’t!

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2017 3:12 pm

    I see TB is telling lies again.The big boys toys for the military have not even arrived therefore have no effect on the budget at the moment

    Here we go again … its a BUDGET, kneel … it includes forecasts for spending (usually wrong) …

  187. May 10, 2017 3:28 pm

    made up, shit, finance fiddle frase, to confuse,,,,,, shit teebz, most of them in clowntown don`t even understand their own gobble de-gook and econo-babble. Take a look at all the times jooLiar droned `flexibility` at the masses; while trying to panda to biz; and notice too most of braying media didn`t challenge her anti-worker droning either; they were too busy with tims-gay nonsense l suppose.

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2017 4:20 pm

    Here we go again … its a BUDGET, kneel … it includes forecasts for spending (usually wrong) …

    But the budget was already stuffed. It has been stuffed since 2008 when Swan produced a $27B deficit

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2017 4:27 pm

    Here we go again …

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2017 5:38 pm

    TB,

    Malcolm Turnbull says his budget is “fair on every level.” Seriously, how out of touch do you have to be to think this is fair?

    Millionaires get a $16,400 tax cut
    Big business gets a company tax cut
    …and everyone else gets a tax hike.  

    Australians can see through this spin – but they need to hear the facts.  

    So we all need to step up and make sure our friends and family get the facts.  

    Check out our 50-second budget summary  and share it on Facebook: 

    This budget fails the fairness test miserably. 

    It fails on health. Medicare cuts will stay for 3 years, and veterans’ health has been cut.  

    It fails on education. University students will pay more for their degrees, earlier. University funding is down 2.5%. And it rips $22 billion out of schools compared to Labor’s original deal.  

    It fails on housing. Property investors still get more government assistance than first home buyers. 

    And it fails our economy. Growth is down. Employment is down. Wages growth are down. Jobs are forecast to be down by 95,000. The only thing that’s up is the deficit: it’s ten times bigger than the Liberals’ first budget predicted.

    Here in Parliament, we’re getting ready for Bill Shorten’s budget reply tomorrow night — but the fight against this unfair budget begins now. Let’s share the facts. 

    Chris Bowen 
    Shadow Treasurer

  191. May 10, 2017 5:56 pm

    Sorry armchair, the kouk wasn`t much,,,,,, l don`t think there is too many aussies that don`t realize (even at a subliminal level) that team zombie has cut back on their austerity `budget-emergency` fetish; and dumped zombie measures; is because team zombie fear the `re-election-emergency` pauline and corey may create. Not-blib. (-:

  192. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2017 6:06 pm

    Chris Bowen? Wasn’t he the guy who locked up 50,000 boat people?

  193. May 10, 2017 6:17 pm

    Or he could have built 50-overpriced ALP-networks and kept a lot of `spare-change` instead of all the F35coffins.

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2017 6:49 pm

    And will all of this welfare snooping upon people going to be delegated to another liberal party entity that is making money off them?

  195. May 10, 2017 8:52 pm

    ls anybody really fooled by the zombies `pink-washed`, pretending to be people friendly budget? Next they`ll be re-stickytaping the fiber!

  196. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2017 9:05 pm

    ls anybody really fooled by the zombies `pink-washed`, pretending to be people friendly budget?

    I suspect a lot of them have given up on budget repair and have prepared a budget the Senate will pass.

    Fact is we are in trouble. May 2014 was the time to cut but Australia and the Senate did not want this. So more foreign debt here we come.

  197. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 10, 2017 11:46 pm

    What? You think they should be spending billions on big boys toys, KL? ‘Cause I don’t!

    No, not at all TB, that comment was referring to the godbotherer who cream pied alan joyce in the tweet below it!

  198. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 11, 2017 7:21 am

    Anna Bligh parroting that the banks cannot afford the new tax of $1,000,000,000 per year when they make $30,000,000,000 per year astounds me. She has totally forgotten her roots and how the average person lives.

    I cheer the Government for introducing this tax and they should also make it law that it not be passed on to customers via new fees or charges.

    What I find hypocritical about this government once again is the way they hounded Wayne Swan when the banks increased rates out of the RBA cycle, when he suggest people change banks and when he said the banks need to be more competitive.

    Now we have the hypocrite Scott Morrison saying and doing exactly what this mob criticised Wayne Swan for. Are these mob totally blind to the way they criticise the other side and then implement so much of their policies or say exactly the same thing.

    Average swinging voter has seen the crap and smoke and mirrors now for 4 years

  199. Pollies First permalink
    May 11, 2017 7:48 am

    (Average swinging voter has seen the crap and smoke and mirrors now for 4 years

    Why so cynical?)

  200. May 11, 2017 7:57 am

    l agree shane, but you also have to understand a certain amount of smoke`n mirrors work; aided and abeted by extremely willing FakeNews. The `working-example` is the east-coast train bullshit. Bananasby spent a lot of (and-got) air-time waffling benefits of east-coast railway line. Today my abc is telling us, the east-coast train line has no budget for; 2017, 2018, 2019; and only `gets` a `budget` in 2020. So the teatards have zombie promised their voters; basically only `after`(lf) they get re-elected in 2019.

    But you can now watch just how often FakeNews gives the teabags and teabumpkins lots of air-time to peddle FakeTrain while denying air-time to greenz, indys, minors and even team-knife; to peddle their alternative ideas; as l`ve clue`d you up; put it on your watchlist. (-:

  201. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 8:48 am

    I cheer the Government for introducing this tax and they should also make it law that it not be passed on to customers via new fees or charges.

    Of course they won’t. They have chosen the banks to raise taxes for them, and, the banks, in turn, will have no RC

    And the taxpayer will just pay more … bank fees 😉

    Yes, it is already starting to look like this is coming undone, they tried to create a Labor Light budget, but without any of the thought, planning, caring or equilibrium that SHOULD come with that sort of budget.

    I mean, an airport, good idea

    Stranded in the suburbs with no transport infrastructure to it?

    Yet they are happy to build a ‘train to nowhere’, to keep their nat mates on side.

    Again, not a bad idea in itself, but, since there is no modelling ANYWHERE that shows it is affordable or even needed, why?

    Seems they are using the cover of ‘Labor Light’ to pork barrel, with no real overarching plan EXCEPT that pork barrel, but at the same time, are continuing to hit the middle and lower class, whilst continuing to grift billions to the real leaners, the already well off.

    Luckily, a few in the press are onto it

  202. May 11, 2017 8:49 am

    This is a cracker! #guardian

    ,,,,,Differences between Cameron and May were largely stylistic: Cameron was basically a PR man, May is a career bureaucrat and political infighter, whose handlers are now faced with the unenviable task of creating a personality cult around a figure almost entirely lacking in human qualities. Their solution is to take advantage of her even more dramatic lack of anything resembling a moral centre,,,,,

    # ,, tragically it sounds so familiar in so-called democracy`s hey?

  203. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 8:54 am

    It found families earning between $80,000 and $140,000 will lose the largest proportion of their pre-tax income, worth between 0.66% and 0.82% of their household income, because they will be impacted by the family tax benefits freeze and have to pay the full Medicare levy increase.

    Families earning less than $20,000 will see their income increase by 0.09%, while those earning more than $240,000 will lose just 0.60% of their income.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/11/middle-income-families-to-be-hardest-hit-by-budget-economists-say

    Oh, and, according to morrision (uea, the one who is taking from the poor and giving it to the filthy rich) Shorten is playing ‘Class War’

    It’s almost time there was some sort of Godwin’s Law for that phrase. It gets bandied about by the rich oh so often.

  204. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 8:58 am

    I also note that, in America, it seems people are currently looking back on Watergate as a minor break in comparison to trumps current escapades

  205. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 8:59 am

    WTF!

  206. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 8:59 am

  207. May 11, 2017 9:31 am

    Ha-ha team cheerer, tony-pie reminded me of 18-c-d mangling too, l saw on telly tony-pie is a raving team-skyfairy follower, can you see why l (other-folks) lack `team` dedication now?

    Speaking of team dedication, don`t wrap yourself too tight in the anti-ronald stuff at the moment, it will probably backfire. l dropped a PDF above on democatz being sued (fraud) class action for rigging against bernie; which isn`t getting much cover; and we all know which team FakeNews is on. Right? Or still not learning?

  208. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 9:52 am

    me of 18-c-d mangling too

    You’ll have to be (a lot) clearer. Yor ramblings are usually too indecipherable to even bother with. Learn English, or I’ll just assume this is more coloured carton counting on yor behalf.

    Yep, not even Labor Lite

    Thousands of low-paid Australians face an increase in their tax bill as the Federal Government’s changes to university fees and the Medicare levy combine to eat into their disposable income.

    https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/low-paid-graduates-face-higher-tax-ng-b88471284z

  209. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:11 am

    Still trying run yor garble through google translate are ya cheerie? Good luck with that

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:11 am

    No, not at all TB, that comment was referring to the godbotherer who cream pied alan joyce in the tweet below it!

    That’s a relief! 🙂

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:13 am

    Anna Bligh parroting that the banks cannot afford the new tax …

    Anna bLIE … classic case of spots and leopards!

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:16 am

    Again, not a bad idea in itself, but, since there is no modelling ANYWHERE that shows it is affordable or even needed, why?

    Look carefully for drink coasters, TR … 🙂

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:19 am

    … wonder if the pie-attack on Alan Joyce …

    The guy with the pie is an ugly looking prick, hey?

  214. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:21 am

    Anna bLIE … classic case of spots and leopards!

    Yep, no political party is free of them, but, more and more seem to be cropping out of my ‘team’ 😦

    Look carefully for drink coasters

    😆

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:22 am

    96% of politicians have a negative geared property … not including their spouse/partner holdings … legislators … my arse … UBER LEANERS

  216. Rushya permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:26 am

    (“The president cannot fire the FBI director while he’s being investigated by the FBI director”

    Meh. Dutton’s indubitably still ‘a bit’ correct: being shot at by drunk navymen, while bunking down for years at an illegal offshore detention centre, now redesignated an airforce base, which is and isn’t run from/by Canberra, possibly is mood-altering; but probably not quite so much as actually being shot for student-protesting the O’Neill Government’s eliminations of a dedicated taskforce and a police chief charged with investigating high-level political corruptions and issuing evidence-based, bench-backed warrants; a situation, thankfully, now resolved, with or without the in-country assistances of triple-digit numbers of AFP officers and other, slightly-more-secretive Australian personnel of a view to helping uphold and maintain lawn order across the Asia-Pacific region and/or prepare for upcoming APEC-contra-China festivities; in addition to very generous foreign aids granted, in timely fashions, by the Commonwealth, to same or similar effective ends; glossing over, of course, the juridically-well-regarded activities of any ad hoc interim tribunals rededicated to rooting out any real corruptions, no matter how minor or how real, in advance of upcoming elections, other than any utterly inconsequential matters sequestered for the duration in already-(un)reviewed and de facto-dismissed files; much as Nauru’s executive, administrative, and judicial apparati evidently have benefited from Australian Government (un)involvements; and Timor-Leste’s fortunes, too.)

  217. May 11, 2017 11:24 am

    So back to the ad-homs AGAIN team-cheerer. Perhaps if you actually; 1-read and knew the content of the `pink-twits` and team-urls you drop and; 2-learned how to use your web-browser find/search tool; you might fair a little better. l notice you dropped `thewest` link above; but l`ll bet you didn`t check on the 15%-gas they retain. Right?

    l`m guessing you didn`t understand `tony-pie` and 18-c-d. l just thought joyce might feel `offended` and ? and ? and `insulted` by both the pie-action; `and` the `phobic` explaination tony-pie gave for doing it. Clear?

  218. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 11:28 am

    l just thought joyce might feel `offended` and ? and ? and `insulted` by both the pie-action; `and` the `phobic` explaination tony-pie gave for doing it. Clear?

    He has every right to. So … wtf is yor issue?

    Apart form the fact that … 15% hasn’t had ANY affect on the price of gas in WA

    They pay the same as all

    And it is all tied in with the Carbon Price (and its removal)

    Unless of course, you have ‘alternate facts’?

  219. May 11, 2017 12:55 pm

    Okay team cheerer, lets ignore the east-coast living hand to mouth on Gas for the moment.

    Just look at the `two` supplies/markets on the west-coast; and lets even pretend the carbon-tax exists.

    Supply and market `one`, is the 15%-gas used in the local market, which costs `more` to households and biz within the local market. They cannot avoid, and will/do get hit with the carbon-tax. When Gas becomes too expensive for household gas consumers; many will do what my family did years ago; and re-open the chimney fireplace; or go for potbelly type; and return to deadtree technology. When Gas becomes too expensive for local-biz; they shut-doors; goodbye jobs.

    Supply and market `two`, is the 85%-gas shipped off-shore via multi/inter/national-biz. These are the same mob that use all the loopholes and tax-havens. Even IF on-paper they pay the carbon-tax, you can bet they`ll get all/most of it back one way or another.

    (1.Returning the poorest to `deadtree` technology is not a victory for neither environment or health/medical, its only ideology.)

    (2.the east-coast is managing to claw back 1% or 2% to keep local usage available, but the same two `supply/markets` exist, say 2%/98%)

    This is what l`ve been continually trying to point-out to you. The `carbon-tax-ideology` can only ever work when more and more consumers are in jobs that allow consumption on a growing carbon-tax product. Job-wise, more and more consumers are heading in the `opposite` direction. And into the arms of deadtree technology. (and black-market)

  220. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 2:14 pm

    Except of course for the awkward piece of evidence called ‘recent history’, which shows yor garbled message to be … garbled.

    The Carbon Price DID keep a lid on the abuse of the ‘market’.

    Removing it allowed them to reap the benefits, and WA’s vaunted 15% hasn’t affected prices AT ALL.

    But you just keep blaming Gillard, like you did Roxon, for simply doing what is best at the time, even for idiots too blind to see.

  221. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 2:58 pm

    Well, this bludget is unravelling faster than it takes to count coloured cartons in our bin

  222. May 11, 2017 3:25 pm

    The Carbon Price DID keep a lid on the abuse of the market.

    # ,, so you keep saying, but how? where is the financials? drop a snippet.

    # ,, it just sounds totally ridiculous to say a private-biz that owns 100% of the goods(gas) will suddenly sell its goods(gas) cheaper to the consumer once the govt adds a tax to the goods

    # ,, if that was actually true, wouldn`t we ALL be demanding a much higher GST on everything?

    +++++

    joyce,,,,,,has every right to. So ,, wtf is yor issue?,,,, #had ya`bothered to scroll-up ya`might realize we-agree dummy (-:

  223. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 4:10 pm

    had ya`bothered to scroll-up ya`might realize we-agree dummy

    If you wrote some kind of legible Eenglish, I might have some clue. As it stands, I’m still oblivious, hence “WTF” still stands

    WTF were you even trying to imply/say/dribble?

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 4:12 pm

    The Government misleads when it says welfare recipients will be “randomly” drug tested. People are going to be profiled and targeted

    Because that’s what they are good at …

    Tories are only a goosestep away from Fascists … Dutton and Tudge would have blended into the Third Reich so easily …

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2017 4:18 pm

    Tories are only a goosestep away from Fascists … Dutton and Tudge would have blended into the Third Reich so easily …

    Says the man who locked up 50,000 boat people and enjoyed doing it.

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 4:20 pm

    … it just sounds totally ridiculous to say a private-biz that owns 100% of the goods(gas) …

    Ah!

    You’re missing the main point that defeats your discussion … the gas (in fact all resources)* is owned by ALL Australians … the economy is owned by all Australians … government Revenue belongs to ALL Australians …

    *That’s one of the reasons that Citizenship is privilege not a right.

    ++++++++++++

    BTW, tbagz … just ’cause ToM’s slipped the noose don’t think you can get away with poor spelling and grammar … I think you meant …

    2-learned how to use your web-browser find/search tool; you might fair fare a little better.

    Just sayin’ …

  227. May 11, 2017 4:23 pm

    That link is a bit of an `own-goal` team-cheerer. lt is all about `east-coast` power troubles; which fairfax is trying to spin a pro-carbon tax line within. Nothing mentioned about NT or WA tho, as they both have their own power-grids.

    (from your link team cheerer)

    In a report to be released on Thursday, the Australian Energy Market Operator warns parts of south-eastern Australia could run short of gas within two years, potentially triggering electricity blackouts and household shortages for cooking and heating.

    (which leads to)

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/energy/battle-on-two-fronts-for-australias-gas-industry-20170308-gutc9u.html

    Australians could shiver through cold winters under an east coast gas shortage, regulators have warned, while the government waits on a review that could spark a mining-tax style war with the gas industry ahead of the May federal budget.

    # ,, this is `your` evidence, unfortunately it backed me (-:

  228. May 11, 2017 4:37 pm

    yes,yes,yes team cheerer, the west-coast consumer will probably be gouged hard on the 15%-gas govt `retained-supply` for locals; l don`t claim the west-coast `price-governed`. l`m sure pricing is left in the hands of some corporate AGL-like monster. lf they can afford it, they can have it. (unlike abdication which may lead to; its great you have the cash but the shelves are bare)

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 4:37 pm

    Says the man who locked up 50,000 boat people and enjoyed doing it.

    You keep on saying that, neel … but I’ve never supported offshore processing …

    HERE’S PROOF! (There have been other comments over the years … and other Trashers here will recall I have always supported onshore processing and called out Julia Gillard for it – often)

    THE GUTTER TRASH

    Manus Island Labelled “A Concentration Camp” for Asylum Seekers

    April 30, 2013

    TB Queensland permalink

    April 30, 2013 4:52 pm

    Yep! Onshore processing … more efficient, effective and economic …

    And I can provide a link … but find it yourself …

    So, that’s actually a big fat lie … neel … I expect an apology

  230. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 4:40 pm

    this is `your` evidence, unfortunately it backed me

    Oh yes, please do explain how?

    With English

  231. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2017 4:57 pm

    ou keep on saying that, neel … but I’ve never supported offshore processing …

    News to me that we locked up 50,000 people offshore. Is that Possible?

    We did lock up 50,000 people from 2008-2013. Where were they locked up? Perhaps here

    Wickham Point (established in Darwin in 2011)
    Curtin (near Derby, WA, reopened in 2010)
    Scherger (near Weipa, Queensland, established in 2010)
    Yongah Hill (near Northam, WA, established in 2012)
    There was also
    Inverbrackie Alternative Places of Detention opened 2010
    Leonora Alternative Place of Detention opened 2010
    Port Augusta Immigration Residential Housing reopened 2010″

    You obviously agreed to this because you voted for this

  232. May 11, 2017 5:30 pm

    this is `your` evidence, unfortunately it backed me (-:

    ,,,,south-eastern Australia could run short of gas,,,,

    ,,,,east coast gas shortage,,,,

    (both quotes in bold above)

    # ,, due to east-coast; bligh; jooLiar abdicating a `gas-reserve` for LOCALs

    # ,, west-coast GOVERNED; has 15%-Gas SUPPLY; retained for LOCAL

    # ,, west-coast has SUPPLY; east-coast NOT

    # ,, PRICING see May 11, 2017 4:37 pm

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 6:02 pm

    You obviously agreed to this because you voted for this

    So you don’t agree with vetting refugees and asylum seekers … ? Especially those without documentation ?

    But you are happy to send people to Manus Island and Christmas Island … and before you rant … YOUR LIBERALS have been responsible for four years …

    And just as we have not chastised YOU for towing genuine refugees back … in breach of UN Charter … no individual voter is responsible for the actions of the government of the day …

    I suggest you stop being childish argue by all means but with know facts and logic … not from the Young Liberals Song Sheet – it becomes tedious and boring …

    You cannot change the past – its gone … you can’t control the future – its not here … you can only influence today …

  234. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2017 6:09 pm

    But you are happy to send people to Manus Island and Christmas Island … and before you rant … YOUR LIBERALS have been responsible for four years …

    Nobody has been sent anywhere since 2013. The Coalition has do deal with all the people you locked up from 2008-2013

  235. May 11, 2017 6:15 pm

    There is never a greater display; when `this-team` takes position-A; and `that-team` takes position-B; of just how useless and alike both teams are. Both teams are so eager to stickytape themselves to their own useless positions; no matter how well the complexities of positions C,D,E,F, are explained to them. lt only results in `more` stickytape. #yaaay.team

  236. May 11, 2017 6:18 pm

    “”I expect an apology””

    AND IT BETTER BE A FUCKN’ POEM…!!

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 6:37 pm

    T,
    Tonight, Bill Shorten must tell the Australian people whether or not he will stand in the way of our fair and responsible plan to secure a better future for Australia.

    Tonight, Bill Shorten must answer four key questions:
    * Will Labor keep or reverse our small business tax cuts?
    * Will Labor commit to the future of the NDIS after leaving a $55.7 billion funding black hole?
    * Is Labor committed to real education funding after leaving a $22 billion funding black hole?
    * How will Labor deliver housing affordability for first home buyers without a new tax on housing?

    Or will Bill Shorten prove again that instead of the national interest his only focus is on his political self interest.

    Regards,

    Mathias Cormann
    Minister for Finance

    Who votes for these Fuckwits© and why has Cormann still got a Ministry? In the real world he would be on the dole …

    Silly questions I suppose when you consider Cash’s (tho’ the bung on accent is hilarious) rant with Porter and Tudge nodding along … it really is becoming Back to the Future …

    I do stand corrected … I thought it was back to 1950 … now I know, its back to 1850!

    Porter is interesting three undergrad degrees … a masters … and politics … like his g/father … father … one thing I really, really hate is oligarchies … particularly political oligarchies … because they know how to get the most out of the trough! You may wonder why I mention four degrees … because it takes time – ie no real world experience – and steeped in the … me elite … you peasant … belief …

    I do stand corrected … I thought it was back to 1950 … now I know, its back to 1850!

    (And I’m sick of listening to that royal twit Phillip!)

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 6:39 pm

    AND IT BETTER BE A FUCKN’ POEM…!!

    Yeah, sreb! This Dickwit© can’t string a coherent sentence together … !

  239. May 11, 2017 7:38 pm

    Reportland is wasting its (and-viewers) time on blib tonight. Guess who`s not watching. (-:

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 7:56 pm

    Reportland is wasting its (and-viewers) time on blib tonight. Guess who`s not watching. (-:

    You … what’s the prize?

  241. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2017 9:50 pm

    both quotes in bold above

    refer to conditions that have been exposed AFTER the Carbon Price was removed

    dopey.

    what’s the prize?

    He can spam you with stoopid for a while? 😉

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2017 10:56 pm

    He can spam you with stoopid for a while?

    I think you meant:

    He can spam you with stoopid for a while, longer?

  243. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 12, 2017 6:43 am

    Tom R
    “Yet they are happy to build a ‘train to nowhere’, to keep their nat mates on side.
    Again, not a bad idea in itself, but, since there is no modelling ANYWHERE that shows it is affordable or even needed, why?”

    The LNP state governments trashed the rail systems because of their ideological hatred of unions. There was this hysteria that the unions controlled the railways and as such the determination to starve the railways of support and let the lines and infrastructure disintegrate to a level where the services could no longer be provided. As a result we now have hundreds of thousands of extremely long trucks travelling on our one lane, so called highways, tearing up the roads in an horrific manner and forcing car drivers to take risks to overtake these massively long vehicles for which our roads are NOT designed.

    Metal on metal is the most efficient form of movement, no matter what the modelling says, if you have a more efficient form of transport, which will also stop the destruction of our roads and the thousands of accidents and losses of life, then it is a no brainer.

    When you have travelled country highways as much as I have over the last 40 years you witness and are personally affected by the devastating effect that the introduction of road trains and massively heavy vehicles has had to our roads. A repaired portion of a road in the country is lucky to remain repaired without any damage for 3 months, sometimes the destruction form these heavy and long trucks begins as soon as the repairs are complete, and of course the road repairs are done by private companies who do the work as cheaply as possible. Travel the Newell or the New England for 12 months and you might appreciate what keeping rail could have done for our transport.

    Problem is that the LNP do not want the government to own anything at all on behalf of its citizens. It wants private companies to own and run everything no matter how important it is for our future or the welfare or benefit of all the citizens. Shareholders come first to the LNP anyone else is simply a by product of profit and greed.

    Is someone able to advise me. Is a private contractor who builds a road required to provide a warranty of some sort for a period of time. For example if I was seeking quote for a road to be repaired I would demand that the contractor provide a guarantee of workmanship for a period no less than 5 years.

  244. shaneinqld permalink
    May 12, 2017 8:09 am

    Further to my comment on roads and trucks there is now breaking news of police raids on red star trucks after double fatality. Police have already founds signs of unrestricted loads and driver fatigue.

    No doubt there will be total silence and the usual bullshit about being a rogue operator. Yet there was another operator not long ago who had vehicles that we not maintained and speed restrictors were removed and they had caused deaths as well.

    A lot like the so called isolated case of franchisors which has turned into an avalanche. Problem is trucks kill.

  245. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 8:53 am

    Problem is trucks kill.

    And malware actively encouraged that, just so owners can gouge drivers more

    https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/get-trucked-scrapping-road-safety-remuneration-tribunal-endangers-all-our-lives,8875

    Is a private contractor who builds a road required to provide a warranty of some sort for a period of time.

    I don’t know the answer to that, but, considering this story, my guess would be ‘no’

    “We have a situation in Australia where a Chinese company engaged to build state Government infrastructure can import asbestos laden building products and threaten to sack workers who want to leave when the alarm is raised.”

    https://cg.cfmeu.org.au/news/cfmeu-officials-fined-under-“unjust-industrial-laws”

    And the CFMEU (and the workers) get fined! WTF?

  246. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 9:01 am

    I didn’t see any of Shortens budget reply last night (like why would I, so many better things to do), but I read one commentator sum it with wtte “You call THAT a Labor budget, THIS is a Labor budget”

    And this would be just one reason why

    Budget 2017: The sly slugs in Morrison’s crop of new taxes

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/news-federal-budget/2017/05/11/budget-2017-indirect-taxes/

    A little word called ‘Fairness’ The libs just don’t understand the concept.

    Fourth budget in a row the press has hailed as the GREATEST EVVA, fourth budget in a row to fall to shit within a week. I was listening to fran kelly and kard… something heaping praise on it on a podcast they do. That podcast is now ‘in the bin’

    Thanks churnos 😉

  247. May 12, 2017 9:30 am

    TB,,,,He can spam you with stoopid for a while, longer?,,,,

    # ,, So you`re joining team-cheerer in the mindless chanting of wonderful team `pricing` plans on `goods` they failed to secure `supply` of? #well.done.numb.nuts

  248. May 12, 2017 9:54 am

    Shane, l agree with you on the road-safety and dodgy-trucks and road-damage trucks do. The problem with the re-hashed promise of unicorn rail (both super-fast, and industry-cargo) is to actually find a route that does not get large sections wiped-out during floods, fires, stable ground etc And will be financially viable; including compensation for victims of `compulsory` aquisitions. The unicorn rail/s are a bit like `adani-coal`; private enterpreneurs and finance won`t touch-it either.

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2017 10:37 am

    Metal on metal is the most efficient form of movement, no matter what the modelling says, if you have a more efficient form of transport, which will also stop the destruction of our roads and the thousands of accidents and losses of life, then it is a no brainer.

    When you have travelled country highways as much as I have over the last 40 years you witness and are personally affected by the devastating effect that the introduction of road trains and massively heavy vehicles has had to our roads.

    Absolutely agree, Shane, spent half my career driving Queensland and Northern Rivers NSW roads … of all the countries in the world you would think that Australia would have a decent rail system … we need it to open up the country a bit more too!

    Did a lot of work at Cannington … the Icon Road Trains were literally road trains!

  250. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 10:42 am

    Seems Gonski 2.0 is unraveling along with the rest

    Principals in New South Wales have been warned not to rely on federal estimates of their funding by the state education department because Gonski 2.0 shortchanges the state by $1.8bn.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/11/gonski-20-nsw-urges-principals-to-fight-18bn-cut-in-school-funding

    I’m sure we’ll find some labor Lite policy that isn’t a total disaster? If you want to pretend you are Labor, just let Labor do it. At least they do it right

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2017 10:44 am

    So you`re joining team-cheerer …

    If I disagree, tbagz, I disagree … I reckon I have with everyone who comments here at one time or another … from the Blogmeister down to you … I thought that was part of the purpose of a blog to compare ideas … logically and clearly … some of the comments above do not fall into that category …

    The government(s) of Australia couldn’t negotiate themselves out of party invitation … they always virtually give the people’s valuable resources away*, always have … now why, I wonder?

    Australia is rich despite its governments … not because of them!

    *blood and treasure!

  252. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 11:22 am

    If I disagree, tbagz, I disagree

    I AGREE! 🙂

    Ah vaudeville, you gotta ‘love’ it 😉

  253. May 12, 2017 11:24 am

    For somebody who prides his-self on his training, leadership, managerial abilities; that`s really quite a weak answer.

    l would have thought comparing the `west-coast` and `east-coast` patterns of management would be quite obvious to you.

    While the east-coast was entrenched in `denial` under john-w; the west-coast (under their teabag l think) built a desal plant; with a renew power farm; and eventually switched-off a coal-plant. All without the hysteria that goes-on; on the east-coast. At some stage they also GOVERNED that 15%-of their Gas is retained for local use. Not neccesarily for generating electrictity; but for their state anyway.

    On the east-coast; they have hysteria over both `power` and `gas`. l suppose team-flavored hysteria is `good` hysteria; while non-team hysteria is `bad` hysteria. Now where have l heard that before; it sounds familiar.

    Yes,yes,yes, jonestown and boltsville are just as guilty as bligh and jooLiar for abdicating their own `gas-reserve` too.

    Yes,yes,yes, the west-coast could be hit by a cyclone too, and suffer like canoeland has too. But at least both states had the `nads` to govern themselves and not abdicate; which in itself deserves respect (and l don`t which fcuking team it was)

  254. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 11:39 am

    and l don`t which fcuking

    fer Gibbon

    https://www.theallusionist.org

  255. shaneinqld permalink
    May 12, 2017 11:54 am

    Drain

    We are not the only country on earth that suffers from floods, fires and unstable ground. Japan suffers form floods and earthquakes and unstable ground, yet look at their rail system.

    Feeble excuses are no answer to infrastructure that prepares us for the future and in my opinion is necessary in a country our size. We have so much flat ground that a few tunnels instead of going over the couple of ranges we have allows train some of the flattest stable land in the world.

    Economies of scale can be built in rail all over the country, just have to have some balls and vision past the next election.

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2017 12:22 pm

    For somebody who prides his-self on his training, leadership, managerial abilities; that`s really quite a weak answer.

    WTF does that mean? What on earth does that have to do with gas pricing? Lost the ball did we?

    And then you start rambling again … I don’t give a fk about who shafted who … and then had his baby … (that’s how you write) … soap opera …

    It’s not a competition between governments … they ALL fkd up … keeping 15% is good but the sale price is shyte … we’re being ripped off by governments everywhere … ’cause they are a bunch of ignorant* pricks and pussies

    *true sense of the word!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    just have to have some balls and vision past the next election.

    The lot ensconced in Canberra now have begun already, Shane!

  257. May 12, 2017 12:36 pm

    (and l don`t CARE which fcuking team it was) #obviously

    +++++

    Shane, l`m not exactly `anti-train`; but it has been a zombie-promise for decades now; and l just don`t think it will happen; lts also not a vote winner/killer for me either.

    Of course you`re bang-on with the Japs; they`ve had super-fast rail since 1960s; and they also weren`t `infected` with the budget-emergency govt mindset demanding ROI and cost-benefit stuff. They had a nation to rebuild. l just can`t see the east-coast overcoming this. They can`t even build a network; much more worrying that they think they are even `capable` of handling heavy industry.

    ,,,,We have so much flat ground,,,, Flood plains? Will they elevate? Or re-re-build after wash-aways?

  258. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 1:02 pm

    Will we get brave with the new airport (should it ever eventuate).

    I mean, he carps on about ‘innovation’

    http://www.nlr.org/news/the-endless-runway/

  259. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 1:11 pm

  260. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2017 1:36 pm

    fighting Mr Turnbulls cuts

    And that explains why Labor will never pay down debt or run a surplus budget. Well goodbye AAA credit rating and hello massive foreign debt

  261. Flutterbuys permalink
    May 12, 2017 1:47 pm

    (Whereas, I might, perhaps, think it’s nice that our East Asian friends and/or our/their busyness consortia have effectively forward-contracted to game the Australian gas (re)export/(re)import) market(s); even as they’re/we’re attempting to very generously clean-coal-technology-transfer the kind of supercritical, HELE-tech set-ups that Trumble’s mob were going on and on and on about wanting-but-not-demonstrably-having to seal-the-deal(s) mere months ago, when waving around a lump of premium product, predestined for (Austral-)Asian markets, at anyone feeling particularly courageous at 410PPM; if not Adani’s low(er)-grade, secondary product destined for India or wherever, once Whyalla is saved from the brink by a denominational MOU being floated by the Evironment Minister, and railroading concessional loans extended, to make the most of the hydrocarbons cashcow(s)*.

    * Not including, of course, the kinds of concessions one might almost have elected to derive under TPP and/or FTA ISDS provisions, if any, and otherwise available to be tried-on domestically, notionally as fair recompense for crown(s)-binding(s)s, for claims for (implied) losses/(frustration of) expectation(s) of profits, with any (im)material change of (exploitable) circumstance in the governance market(s)place(s).)

  262. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 1:50 pm

  263. May 12, 2017 1:51 pm

    Nice to hear canoeland is getting a new airport team-cheerer. Have you checked who is going to profit. Bananasby is rumored to cash-in big time if current zombie-rail gets-up. He owns a nice chunk of proposed route.

    +++++

    Competently based trainy trainy, managmenty trainy trainy, leadershippy trainy trainy, does not mean trainy trainy, l can read the very next paragraph trainy trainy. (-:

  264. shaneinqld permalink
    May 12, 2017 1:57 pm

    Drain

    Don’t we also have a nation to rebuild. One that has been allowed to go to rack a ruin at the asset sell off of public assets. One that has been scared shitless into thinking that debt is bad and now we are being told that there is good and bad debt.

    If rail is not such a good option then why on earth do coal and iron ore mines use trains instead of trucks ?

    Rail is the most obvious answer for a country our size, when a train gets rolling it requires almost no energy to keep it rolling, the distance between towns in Australia is vast.

    We have roads in flood plains where bridges are built in areas needed to avoid flood waters, surely we can build a bridge where required or are we now so dumb that we lack even the skill to build a bridge to cover a certain height without importing a 457 Visa worker ?

  265. shaneinqld permalink
    May 12, 2017 1:59 pm

    Drain

    I don’t give a rats arse if Barnaby benefits if it is the right thing to do. If it is the right thing to do then it is the right thing to do. Who owns any land is irrelevant if the route is the correct route.

  266. May 12, 2017 2:43 pm

    Shane, as l said l`m not `anti` l`m just skeptical. Sure, the teabags and teabumpkins will pink-wash themselves in people-friendly, nation-building slogans. They will be quite willing to bleed treasury; and `probably` enrich themselves and mates along the way. Even if they do build it; l am by no-way convinced it will be fit-for purpose. Then after it is built; it will be used as the `excuse` to cut medical, welfare and education; to the tune of `budget-emergency`. l just don`t see any change of the imbeciles mentality under prime meddler trumbull since his network sabotaging days.

  267. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2017 3:00 pm

    l`m not `anti` l`m just skeptical

    You spelt ‘irrational’ wrong

  268. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2017 3:42 pm

    I came across another way to determine debt. It takes into account foreign debt and foreign assets. So Japan may have a large debt but thy have foreign assets to cover that. WE are in trouble and need spending cuts yesterday

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_international_investment_position

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2017 3:44 pm

    Competently based trainy trainy, managmenty trainy trainy, leadershippy trainy trainy, does not mean trainy trainy, l can read the very next paragraph trainy trainy. (-:

    More ramblings rumblings from the cess pit?

    Your spelling and grammar assessment has returned – NYC …

    (Invoice Enclosed: $0.0)

  270. May 12, 2017 5:19 pm

    Shane!! On the upside!! We could build the fcuking thing and fill it to the brim with teabags and their cronies, on the very first, very fast, untested, maiden voyage. They could even name it Cinatit; in honor of their own economic `responsibility`. We could even strap the in-house to the cow catcher.

    (Cinatit being the treasury guard that saved Odin and his treasure.)

  271. May 12, 2017 7:02 pm

    Had mr-rabbit and newman joined forces to sign-away 100%-Gas on east-coast the competently based trainy trainy, managmenty trainy trainy, might have kicked-in (-:

  272. shaneinqld permalink
    May 13, 2017 6:31 am

    Drain

    Before politics became a junket and profitable career path for the greedy, politicians had vision, they had beliefs, they were passionate about projects to benefit all of our citizens. Now it is simply making money, giving themselves more, getting re elected and stuff the rest of us, we are simply a by-product of offloading everything our forefathers built for ALL OF US to private companies to squander the gains on greed and the wealthy. Even down to all of the lotteries and gambling which now benefits a few thousand shareholders rather than 21,000,000 citizens of all incomes.

    There was no doubt when electricity first came it ran at a loss, so would have the postal service, telecommunications, building the opera house, the snowy mountains scheme, the harbour bridge, the roads and railways, in fact just about everything in this country was built at a loss while we were a growing nation. Then as soon as anything became the slightest bit profitable and years of taxpayer support to build the infrastructure we have flogged it off for a ridiculous price to private companies to rape and pillage the population with ever increasing charges and fees to provide the insatiable appetite of bonuses for the top.

    Example the CBA was created to provide a service to the people of Australia. Once established it always made a profit and contributed to the bottom line of the country. It had branches everywhere including small country towns. It had a charter of service and not profit. It had the CDB which was designed to help rural farmers, small business and prospective start ups ( this part was closed down as it ran at a small loss, yet it was instrumental in many hundreds of thousands of success stories of the years). It employed tens of thousands of staff all over the country supporting many towns. It also kept a brake on profits of the other big 3 by not having outrageous return expectations of its shareholder the Federal Government. It paid all taxes and rates even though it was not required to do so. It trained people straight from school, giving them skills and qualities. It had its own college in Sydney to develop and grow its peoples knowledge. It was know as the university for the private banks who poached its staff all the time. It benefitted 21,000,000 people not to mention so many towns.

    Now it is shell of its former self. While it makes a fortune it has no soul, no social conscience qualities, a profit at all cost mentality, as minimal staff as required, a service level that is horrifically disgraceful in comparison to when it was publicly owned and sales driven targets that pressure staff to annoy the crap out of you every time you set foot in the branch, simply because otherwise the will be “Managed Out” of the organisation for failure to sell products to people that are truly not required or needed by the customer.

    Problem is they have all followed the same path because the CBA was no longer a brake to greed or profit.

    Most things privatised have been a disaster for our country as a whole but an amazing cash cow fo0r the top management and a few hundred thousand shareholders.

    Medibank being the latest disaster.

    Now there is a demand for a fucking Cost Benefit Analysis for anything and everything under the sun, wonderful catch cry from the LNP. If this existed when we first became a nation we would still have nothing at all. It is also funny how a Cost Benefit Analysis is demanded of the LNP for any policy proposed by the ALP but not required when it is a thought bubble or ideological election bride by the LNP and particularly Barnaby Joyce.

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2017 11:13 am

    I passionately agree with Shane re road transport and our broken political system!

    Senator Hinch recently touched on another issue, it gets little attention but I think it’s widely practiced by pollies and their wealthy elite mates.

    Budget 2017: Senator calls on AFP to investigate leak after $14b bank share wipe-out
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/budget-2017-senator-calls-on-australian-federal-police-to-investigate-budget-leak-after-14b-wipeout-20170510-gw1u0f.html

    Senator Derryn Hinch has called for the Australian Federal Police to investigate a leak that led to $14 billion being wiped off banking stocks in the hours before the federal budget.

    “The biggest story today wasn’t the super tax on banks, it was the leak,” Senator Hinch told Fairfax Media.

    The independent senator wrote to AFP Commissioner Andrew Colvin on Wednesday accusing the government of insider trading and requested a full investigation into the release of market sensitive information hours before the budget.

    “It appears to me to be a classic case of criminal insider trading involving the federal government,” he said. “It is a very serious thing, it could be a politician.”…

  274. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2017 12:55 pm

    Wayne Swan: ‘We simply have to get rid of neoliberal economics’

    That is code for saying we need more govt spending more govt debt and more deficit budgets. Yes let us spend spend spend with no responsibility.

  275. May 13, 2017 1:45 pm

    Yes, l got the nyti version of factually correct nb/network fakenews in my feed too.

    (factually correct fakenews? WTF?)

    Q1,,,Australia was the first country where a totally national plan to cover every house or business was considered,,, said Rod Tucker, a University of Melbourne professor and a member of the expert panel that advised on the effort.

    Q2,,,The fact it was a government plan didn`t necessarily make it doomed. In Australia, we have changes of governments every three years, which really works against the ability to undertake long-term planning, and the long-term rollouts of networks like this,,,

    ++++

    Q1,,,Australia had an aggressive, forward-looking, visionary government project to build a fiber network,,, said Mike Quigley, who was chief executive of the project until 2013. He added

    Q2,,,that opportunity`s been absolutely lost because of bad judgments, ideologically and politically driven,,,

    ++++

    ln both cases of Q2 above, the softly, softly corporate babble is used. Nobody the churno`s ever select uses the correct strength of language to describe the framing of events. How about the churno`s ask some of the pissed-off tech-nerds and general public. Would they use language that framed the situation more accurately? Would stronger terms like vandalism, destruction, wilfully-damaged, wrecked and others be used to describe the rabbit, talkbull, teabag treatment of the network? Which matches the language of offline folks in my life, and probably yours?

    Even the headline,

    How Australia Bungled Its $36 Billion High-Speed Internet Rollout

    1. `australia`, bullshit, it was the rabbit, talkbull, LNP teabags.

    2. `bungled`, bullshit, the teabags manufactured `fake-priorities` to use as `fake-excuses` to willfully vandalise a nationwide project because the `other` team made it.

    Google tells me the same story is mirrored at AFR and limited-news which l haven`t checked. l will bet blind both have timidly `fake-framed` the story too. #teabags

  276. May 13, 2017 1:54 pm

    lt looks like wordpress can`t digest nyti shortlinks, here is the url for above

    ++++

    FYI,,,, on telly in last 6-weeks, population ticked over to 24-mill

    ++++

    PELL,,,, not an iota of surprise here, he`s been outed for pedofiling

    ++++

    Swan/neo-teabagism,,,, his headline might be factually correct,,,, but he and his govts practised it too,,,, hypocrites,,,, open slather east-coast-gas is part of it,,,, so is jooLiars thumping of single-mums on misogyny-day,,,, so is all the signing-away of citizens rights via bin-laden laws,,,, the list goes on and on and on,,,, #yaaay.blib

    ++++

    Hinch/leak,,,, it was probably part of talkbulls strategy,,,, and done intentionally,,,, probably going nowhere

  277. Fcuk`You`Nyti`Teabag permalink
    May 13, 2017 2:13 pm

    what a cnut nyti is so l`ve used `a href` htm code this time, sorry folks, crap above NOT intended

  278. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2017 2:34 pm

    Q1,,,Australia was the first country where a totally national plan to cover every house or business was considered,,, said Rod Tucker,

    After Rudd and the ALP lied to us multiple times during the 2007 election saying they would give us FTTN costing $4.7B and finished by 2013.

    By the way i got FTTP. It took several months to be installed because they had to come out three times then it stopped working after 4 months so they had to come out again and i have to pay more for it compared to ADSL. They are still running out FTTP.

    This socialist disaster was thought up on a plane flight on a drinks coaster, costing us who knows what finished who knows when

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2017 2:43 pm

  280. May 13, 2017 3:06 pm

    By the way i got FTTP,,,,, That really is a shame.

  281. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2017 3:15 pm

    FTTP makes no difference for me. But i am willing to say we should have FTTP for the benefit of the country no matter what the cost but i have yet to see the benefits

  282. May 13, 2017 3:51 pm

    Shane, l agree with everything you say at May 13, 2017 6:31 am. Since john-w took over the teabags they have run around committing arson attacks on all public assets, treasury, and on most citizens; or let their corporate mates do the arson.

    ln short, they will never do anything that is `truly` in the nations good or citizens good. They will only run `scams` which they pink-wash as people-friendly, or green-wash as enviro-friendly, etc.

    They will also not change much; until they clean-house. The same critters put in opposition and then return is not a `change`, but only a delay, and most voters know it.

    Both teams are chewing thru leaders and suffering from failing to clean-house, tho it is manifesting in different ways. Team-knife has failed to rid itself of the `knife-era` and clinging to blib, which is diminishing future leaders albo and plib in the process, while building greenz and indy support.

    Team-zombie has filled itself with obedient fools that stand for absolutely nothing, which definitely includes talkbull. The fools obediently standing for nothing was even too piss-poor for the likes of Corey. Watch as he bites the zombies arse more and more as pauline does.

    Under our current system of corruption and stupidity l really doubt that `anything` can be turned around by them, maybe all we/voters can really hope for is halting or slowing `their` creation of more mess?

  283. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2017 4:06 pm

    ln short, they will never do anything that is `truly` in the nations good or citizens good.

    Yeah like the ALP locking up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013. There are still 30,000 of these people in community detention costing us $3B/year

  284. May 13, 2017 5:21 pm

    armchair, ultimately triggs is a goose for trying to defend `anything` about the 457-visa under the teabags. While there may be the ocassional `super-quack` desperately needed in a hospital. The majority is just scab`n slave labor for the likes of 7-11, or a federally operated blackbirding operation for agriculture. l hope triggs doesn`t beat the feminista drum too often, as you can bet the 457-visa is also part of the human trafficking of `exotic` women that arrived expecting to be a `nanny` and got forced into the cat-house. The visa scam is mainly about trashing wages.

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2017 7:16 pm

    … but i have yet to see the benefits

    YOU won’t … the rest of the country will ..

    But i am willing to say we should have FTTP for the benefit of the country no matter what the cost

    I think that means you finally agree with the … experts?

    As for this … There are still 30,000 of these people in community detention costing us $3B/year

    I suggest you STUDY this site … instead of the Young Liberals Weekly BS Sheet …

    http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/getfacts/statistics/aust/fast-tracking/

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2017 8:20 am

    KL … have a great Mothers’ Day …

    And of course, any other Mums reading … 🙂

  287. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2017 10:01 am

    I think that means you finally agree with the … experts?

    I doubt many experts would say that the govt should build the NBN. Private enterprise would do it more efficiently. I suspect the whole NBN will end up being a white elephant.

  288. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2017 10:56 am

    I doubt many experts would say that the govt should build the NBN

  289. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2017 10:57 am

    And Happy Mothering Sunday to all those mothering this day

  290. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2017 12:35 pm

    TomR

    Is there anywhere in the world where the govt is building broadband network? It sounds and feels like some socialist monstrosity.

    I heard a case at a unit complex were plumbers in No 7 cut through the NBN cables to 7, 8, 9 & 10. Turns out everybody had to ring up their service providers and NBN had to come out multiple times to fix the cut cables. A private company would have done all 4 at once. Worse was that one of the units did not use the NBN so that cable could not be repaired because that person did not have a provider

  291. May 14, 2017 3:52 pm

    (l wonder which lucky mummy on this fine hallmarks got to enjoy the devine attendance of blib; his mummy; or mummy-inlaw-gov`na? l do hope gov`na is recovering from her disappointment in her daughters downscale cross pollinating in moonee fcuking ponds. She does deserve better.

    ln all credit to blib; he did front the unbiased media this morn; to warn of morrisons unbudgeted building program down the street; and morrison was relying on `promotion` materials only.

    http://www.places.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/9066/955_1003_MaribyrnongSharedVision,0.pdf

    l`m certain prime meddler trumbull is also gratefull to blib; so he didn`t spend days, weeks, or even months; of wasting his time on promoting the caring Treasurers plans of building on contaminated land.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/decontamination-work-starts-on-languishing-maribyrnong-defence-site-20151117-gl0yo0.html

    Happy hallmarks all.)

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2017 5:32 pm

    I heard a case at a unit complex …

    Jesus Fucking Christ!

    Now I know what Purgatory is …

    … no wonder ToM, Splatterbum and Farnham Walrus no longer comment here …

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2017 5:34 pm

    It sounds and feels like some socialist monstrosity.

    That’s why the USA is laughing at TurnAbbotts’s HYBRID NBN … ya Dick …

    And did you wish ya Mum a Happy Mother’s Day?

  294. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2017 6:01 pm

    TomR

    I think you supported what i was trying to say. Only socialist/communist govts would build broadband. Looks we have become a socialist country. I see even the current Coalition govt is going to build the new airport at Badgerys Creek. What would the govt know about building an airport?

    Now I know what Purgatory is …

    Well if you must know TB it was at the place i was living. I was one of those unit 7,8,9 & 10 numbers. I rang up on behalf of everyone else but when NBN arrived they only fixed my cut NBN cable. We then found out everyone had to ring up their providers and NBN had to come out and fix each unit separately. And one of the units did not use the NBN even though it was installed so the cable the plumbers cut could not be repaired. A private company would fix all 4 cut cables at the same time.

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2017 6:14 pm

    … when NBN arrived they only fixed my cut NBN cable.

    You really have no idea how it works, neel …

  296. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2017 6:22 pm

    TB

    I am telling you what happened. Plumbers working in No 7 cut through NBN cables to 7.8.9 & 10. Each owner had to ring up their own providers and only then could NBNCo come out and fix the cut cables. Even if all 4 places had Telstra as their internet provider each place had to ring up and only then could NBNCo come out.

    One mistake we made was that i rang up on behalf of everyone else thinking when NBNCo came out they would fix all 4 cut cables at the same time. Nope, they could only fix mine since i was the one who rang up. I then had to tell the other 3 units that they would have to ring up their internet provider to get the cables fixed.

  297. May 14, 2017 6:38 pm

    Full of CRAP,,,, The plumber that worked for `7`, made it `7s` liability, 7 should have hired the cable-guy to fix `all` the cable/s,,,,,,,,,, you`re a mindless chanting dumbfcuk that knows nothing!

  298. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2017 7:16 pm

    I think you supported what i was trying to say.

    I’ve given up on given a fig what you say.

    You are so ideologically blinkered and steadfastly stoopid, that corresponding with you in any meaningful manner is detrimental to logical existence.

    Yet highlighting that stoopid still has its moments 🙂

    Example 999,965,334,006_a

    I doubt many experts would say that the govt should build the NBN.

    Considering the recent discussions about the obvious benefit of plane coasters

    Just f u c k i n g WOW! 😯

  299. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2017 8:18 pm

    you`re a mindless chanting dumbfcuk that knows nothing!

    Wrong. I told the truth. The plumbers fixing some sewage pipe in No 7 cut through the NBN cables going to 7,8,9 & 10. Each unit had to ring up their providers to get the cut cable fixed. And only then could NBNCo come out. They actually came out 3 times. And number 9 cannot be repaired because number 9 does not use the internet and therefore does not have a provider

    That is socialism at work. If NBNCo was a private company they would have fixed all 4 cables at the same time

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2017 8:29 pm

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2017 8:33 pm

    That is socialism at work.

    That’s privatisation at work – yer dill … four providers and one wholesaler … user pays …

    … and WTF does this mean?

    And number 9 cannot be repaired because number 9 does not use the internet and therefore does not have a provider.

    In a socialist country … it would be repaired anyway!

    How do you know so much about your neighbors … are you spying on them?

  302. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2017 9:24 am

    I have to say, I agree with this. In this case, it would be better to take what you can, and try and bring a fairer taxation base in other measures.

    I can understand why Labor are doing it, as the libs have tilted the taxation system back to far better suit those on high wages than low, but, for such a scheme, just keep it simple stoopids

    Labor using NDIS and Medicare levy ‘to play politics’, disability groups say

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/15/labor-using-ndis-and-medicare-levy-to-play-politics-disability-groups-say

  303. May 15, 2017 11:35 am

    lt was always a shrewd decision that the team locker room resisted the will of the members `and` not just `rush` back into govt. This allowed them the time to select blib as the best possible leader `ever` since joolya. This allowed the time; for the solid re-re-development of programs and policys, Gonski-3.9, Gonski-4.0, Gonski-4.0b, Gonski-4.1, Ndis-6.3, Ndis-6.3b, Ndis-6.3c, and Ndis-6.4 This allowed the time; for a nation struck down in grief over the loss of its first female prime meddler; for grieving citizens to recover. This allowed them the time; to create a fully analyzed, fully polled election strategy to defeat the greenz; `before` they ease back into govt under blib.

  304. dumbfcuk`laughed`at`by`teabag permalink
    May 15, 2017 11:47 am

    “And number 9 cannot be repaired”= provider `refuses to repair until provider can gouge

    +++

    dumbfcuk didn`t realize he could hire his own cable-guy to fix the lot in one hit (like plumber, electrician, gardener) so he got punked by the provider sales team

    +

    7(dumbfcuk) is still liable for `all` damage

  305. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2017 12:13 pm

    7(dumbfcuk) is still liable for `all` damage

    When the guy from NBNCo came out to inspect the damage he told me that the plumbers would have to pay for the damage. They should have rung up dial-before-you-dig. What he did not tell me was that each unit would have to ring up their internet providers to get each cut cable fixed.

    When the NBN guy came out to fix mine he agreed that it would be more efficient to fix all 4 cut cables at the same time but he could not because he would not get paid because he was not authorised to fix the others.

    And i would be surprised if you could get a cable-guy to fix NBNCo property

  306. dumbfcuk`laughed`at`by`teabag permalink
    May 15, 2017 12:45 pm

    dumbfcuk can`t possibly know if dig-dial has been updated by the fiber crew

    +

    dumbfcuk can`t know if da-plumber/s called dig-dial either

  307. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2017 12:50 pm

    can`t know if da-plumber/s called dig-dial either

    Plumbers told me they did not call dial-a-dig because the cables should have been installed deeper than they were. NBN guy told me plumbers would have to pay but did not tell me all units would have to ring up their providers to get their cable fixed. A private company would fix all 4 cut cables at the same time.

  308. dumbfcuk`laughed`at`by`Teabag permalink
    May 15, 2017 1:22 pm

    A private company would fix all 4 cut cables at the same time. #correct, but dumbfcuk called his `provider` to do it

    +

    cables should have been installed deeper than they were #correct, `original` fiber crew at fault

    +

    dumbfcuk can`t possibly know if dig-dial has been updated by the ORIGINAL fiber crew

  309. May 15, 2017 4:51 pm

    lt is absolutely fcuking delicious to see that dumbfcuk has been well and truly arsefcuked by his dodgy teabag-fiber network installation and is personally hitting him in the pocket.

  310. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2017 5:01 pm

    that dumbfcuk has been well and truly arsefcuked by his dodgy teabag-fiber network installation

    It is Labors FTTP. But i was talking about the mechanics of getting something fixed. Just for example if a unit complex has 10 units with FTTP and a plumber cuts all 10 cables each unit has to ring up their provider (eg Telstra, Optus, TPG) and NBNCo may have to come out 10 times to fix the 10 cut cables.

    That is socialism in action.

  311. Gone`are`the`Days`Teabag permalink
    May 15, 2017 5:09 pm

    Gone are the days,,,, of a swooning qandaland audience filled with feministas, gays, greenz, pensioners, pinkists and non-rabbit teabags,,,, of the swoonable leather jacket talkbull long dead,,,, replaced with a fiber-wrecking, unleading, prime meddler trumbull,,,, and all remaing swooning only exists with braying media.

  312. May 15, 2017 5:22 pm

    Where are dumbfcuks buried fibers cut?

    1-buried on dumbfcuks property with 10-Flats on it?

    2-buried out in the street, under road or/and footpath, not on dumbfcuks property?

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2017 7:08 pm

    Another decision made “with love”

    UNDERSTANDING THE MEDICARE CHANGES

    The government has introduced Medicare changes that affect how often you can have a bulk-billed eye test:

    If you are under 65 years old, you will now only be eligible for a bulk-billable eye test once every three years.*

    An unhealthy population is much easier to control … although productivity reduces along with government revenue … 🙄

    Sneaky shits! Never ending …

    Fair Go my arse!

    Do TurnAbbott and SloMo understand the term “disposable income”?

    Australians are onto you and your government! 47 – 53 is significant!

  314. May 15, 2017 7:40 pm

    RSL exec corruption on reportland tonight, ex-adf, ex-plod blows lid off it from inside, teebz will bleed he missed it.

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2017 9:56 am

    … teebz will bleed he missed it.

    Still full of assumptions, I see …

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2017 10:54 am

    Speed: 36 … getting closer!

  317. May 16, 2017 11:33 am

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2017 11:45 am

    And Q&A was a bummer for Slimy Birmingham and the LNP last night … its a wonder Chris Bowen didn’t split his suit jacket as he squeezed his hands together … matched with pursed lips and staring into the distance …

    Laressa (?) Waters was impressive from the Greens …

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2017 11:55 am

    Speed: 36 … getting closer!

    And if you got double that speed would it make any difference. And if you had to pay twice as much as you are paying now to get double your current speed would you do it?

  320. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2017 12:08 pm

    And if you paid twice as much for half the speed you’d have

    what malware created 😉

  321. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2017 1:07 pm

    YomR

    You cannot stop telling lies can you. Why would the NBN under the Coalition cost more? It is still NBNCo building the thing.

    You just tell lies for political purposes.

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2017 2:03 pm

    Why would the NBN under the Coalition cost more?

    Because the system resources were changed to HYBRID grid of fibre, copper, cable … a mix of — FFS! We’ve told you all this before … the NBN we are lumbered with is the LNP redesign and not the original ALP engineering and design of FTTP …

    And if you want to talk LIES …

    And if you got double that speed would it make any difference. And if you had to pay twice as much as you are paying now to get double your current speed would you do it?

    That’s LIES … you provide no evidence, no links just anecdotal beliefs and LNP propaganda …

    Here’s an extract from an email from my ISP …

    … we’ll make it easy for you to move to the network with no changes to your monthly bill, plan, contract period or home phone number …

    And yes speed makes a difference to most people … but no-one pay DOUBLE … and if your ISP tries – there are plenty of retailers ready for you business …

    Current speed: 36Mbps …

  323. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2017 2:14 pm

    Because the system resources were changed to HYBRID grid of fibre, copper, cable … a mix of — FFS!

    Yes but why would that cost more. Turnbull changed it to FTTN so it would cost less and be finished sooner. I know what you told me. Nobody knows how much FTTP to 90% of houses would cost,

    That’s LIES … you provide no evidence, no links just anecdotal beliefs and LNP propaganda …

    It is based on continual ALP lies who i would never trust and govts building things before. They are always more expensive.

    And i do not believe the providers are charging the true cost. One day the NBN cost will have to be included in the budget and only then will we see the cost.

  324. dumbfcuk`laughed`at`by`Teabag permalink
    May 16, 2017 3:40 pm

    dumbfcuk failed to answer,,,, May 15, 2017 5:22 pm,,,,, so dumbfcuk can`t prove it,,,, (which was dumbfcuks only chance)

  325. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2017 3:43 pm

    I might answer the question if you ask politely otherwise no i will not answer.

  326. dumbfcuk`laughed`at`by`Teabag permalink
    May 16, 2017 4:04 pm

    no i will not answer,,,,,, because l just got arsefcuked `hard“ by the teabag-fiber install crew and won`t admit it,,,,, then l got arsefcuked again by the teabag-provider `sales` team and won`t admit it,,,,, dumbfcuk just won`t stop bending over and its the alps fault

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2017 6:07 pm

    Yes but why would that cost more. Turnbull changed it to FTTN so it would cost less and be finished sooner.

    Two reasons

    1) MALfunction TurnAbbott had no idea what he was doing as Communications Minister and has no idea what’s happening outside his Sydley home! AND MAL WAS WRONG!

    The ALP got it right again … AGAIN! And the LNP FUCKED it UP again! YOU voted for the LNP! It’s your fault!

    2) The HYBRID System hastily redesigned by MALfunction is an engineering disaster (and MAL who happens to be married to a very successful businesswoman and had been left a motza to play with by his old man, couldn’t change a wheel on his fkn car!) … even the NBN techs will tell you that (if you ever asked them) and the Telstra techs just smile, giggle or laugh … because they know that eventually (hopefully in my lifetime) the NBN will HAVE to be FTTP to work … and that means MORE money and MORE waste … and JOBS for life …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I might answer the question if you ask politely otherwise no i will not answer.

    Politely? POLITELY! The person who accuses people of locking up refugees and asylum seekers … and won’t apologise (poetically) when proven wrong?

  328. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2017 7:47 pm

    The ALP got it right again … AGAIN! And the LNP FUCKED it UP again! YOU voted for the LNP! It’s your fault!

    The ALP almost never gets it right. Their 2007 election NBN policy was to only cost taxpayers $4.7B and be finished by 2013. The current policy was thought up on 2 plane flights. Why should i trust anything the ALP says?

  329. dumbfcuk`laughed`at`by`Teabag permalink
    May 16, 2017 8:13 pm

    The ALP almost never,,,,,, requires dumbfcuks to have a swollen rectum just to use fiber. That choice was an `optional` extra added later under teabag-fiber.

  330. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2017 8:58 pm

    … requires dumbfcuks to have a swollen rectum just to use fiber

    Just what does that mean?

  331. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2017 9:50 pm

    Yes but why would that cost more.

    There are quite few reasons.

    The main one is, there is now a range of technologies, which means, every roll out is different, and every area presents it’s own problems depending on which technology is connecting to which other technology, whereas, before, it was the same everywhere, you get it right once, you get it right everywhere. It also means technicians need much more experience and knowledge whereas previously, one technology was all that was required.

    The other main one was, they are now using obsolete technologies. Copper wiring for data transfer is an anachronism. Sure, it cost a lot in the early days for the Fiber, but, once that starts rolling out, the cost comes down as the quantity increases. Now, production firms have to re-tool to create what had been assumed was obsolete, while the firms tooled up for massive fiber output are now left hanging.

    And, of course, they had to renegotiate with Telstra, which then left NBN with fixing the issues in the pits, something NBNCo had previously bypassed.

    All in all, malware has saddled Australia with a giant copper noose around its future, when we were well on the way to having something that would keep us competitive

  332. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2017 9:13 am

    The truth will out!

  333. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2017 9:24 am

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2017 9:58 am

    And as I mentioned a couple of days ago … eye tests are now covered by Medicare every THREE years not every two years … nibble, nibble – chip, chip – nudge, nudge – wink, wink – know what I mean?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And in more good news …

    AUSTRALIA’S most senior Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, could soon face criminal charges after a lengthy investigation into historic child sex allegations.

    What happened to all the Pell supporters who commented here?

  335. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2017 10:10 am

    What happened to all the Pell supporters who commented here?

    witness protection?

  336. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2017 11:40 am

    Sure, it cost a lot in the early days for the Fiber, but, once that starts rolling out, the cost comes down as the quantity increases

    You may have shot yourself in the foot. That is the reason Turnbull changed the NBN to FTTN.For the vast majority of Australians FTTP is not needed. It is a Rolls Royce NBN that the average person can not afford. Plus it takes longer to roll out.

    But they are still doing FTTP. To my surprise i got it at my place. I suspect i got it because there was already in place piping from the footpath. The NBN people only had to push the fibre from the pits in the street through the tubes already underground.

  337. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2017 12:10 pm

    That is the reason Turnbull changed the NBN to FTTN.

    What, so we experience the expensive end of a fiber rollout, and then,he makes an ‘innovative’ switch to an obsolete technology, which turns out to be as expensive as fiber, as no one makes it anymore.

    Fiber is infrastructure, which, isn’t about what people want NOW, it’s what we will need in the (not too distant) future

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2017 12:42 pm

    … witness protection?

    Purgatory? 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++

    To my surprise i got it at my place

    And I suspect you got FTTB … didn’t you say you were on ADSL previously?

    Speed: 36Mbps

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2017 12:53 pm

    Fiber is infrastructure, which, isn’t about what people want NOW, it’s what we will need in the (not too distant) future

    The PC is a classic case … Commodore 64 early 80’s … Amiga late 80’s … PC late 80’s early 90’s … my first PC cost me $10,000 specially built for my new business … the one I’m using now I built for $3,400 two years ago… latest/best available motherboard, PCU, GPU, sound system etc … but 500x more powerful than my first …

    The other classic case … mobile phones … a more recent tech … 1973 phones were built into cars … not for the peasants … early mobile phones arrived in the mid 90’s! It’s actually taken since 1947 to get to what we have now in 2017!

  340. poppy`laughed`at`by`Teabag permalink
    May 17, 2017 2:38 pm

    lts Leadershippy trainy trainy adf/a style (-:

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2017 2:47 pm

    my first PC cost me $10,000 specially built for my new business

    And that explains why the Coalition does not want to do FTTP to 90% of homes.

    But there are 12 million connections to do. There will be millions left if the ALP wins the next election.They could do whats left FTTP

  342. May 17, 2017 3:02 pm

    Amazon,,,,,is scouting for retail space in Toronto, Teja said. That company made a big hiring push for its web services in Vancouver last August, posting 1,000 positions, and opened a data center in Montreal in December. Cisco and Microsoft are growing their footprints, and Google Canada organized a conference last year called `Go North` for Canadian startups,,,,,

    http://www.businessinsider.com/tech-moves-to-canada-after-trump-brexit-2017-4

    # ,, its a good thing that teabag-fiber has saved us from all these boaties bringing their filthy capital into Aust and trying to set-up their technology gulags in our country. Didn`t canadia get the memo that we don`t like that shit and sent Atlassian and their filthy $8-bill off-shore. We much prefer to be 56 on the fiber league-ladder and sliding. Now pass the stickytape please. l have copper to connect.

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2017 4:34 pm

    Wally’s back I see … 🙄

  344. May 17, 2017 5:23 pm

    blubbers, tinfoil`osy, boo-melb, splatters, phoenix,,,,,, l notice they gradually dropped off as the teabag-lines got more vile and more stupid to defend. Probably hunkering down at ipa or blot-bog to feel `cosy` and safe.

    l`m sure tinfoil`osy will be having a very difficult time at the moment as pell soils team-skyfairy (again) over pedo-filing by pell, `allegedly`.

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2017 5:42 pm

    lts Leadershippy trainy trainy adf/a style (-:

    Beware the 7.62 then … 🙂

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2017 5:53 pm

    According to my present ISP … my bundle price will not change …

    Speed description Up to 50/20Mbps. Actual speeds will vary

    Speed test: 36Mbps Down 1.8Mbps Up

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2017 6:58 pm

    comedy gold…

    SOP for One Nation “pollies”, sreb! Where do they dredge?

  348. May 17, 2017 7:43 pm

    somehow l don`t think treasury will see a cent out of culleton, he`ll probaby get a couple of months to serve `concurrently` in the gulag for the cash, skyfairy first `day` will probably be `broke` too, and yet again the comedy hits treasury

  349. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 18, 2017 7:12 am

    Reb

    It might be comedy gold but if that was my debt owing to the commonwealth, I would be taken to the cleaners. Unlike politician’s who seem to have everything forgiven, forgotten, or forged.

    In Brisvegas for conference.

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