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Honey, we stuffed the Economy.

May 17, 2017

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There’s an almost endless list of examples you can point to as evidence of the Coalition’s abject incompetence since claiming the adults were in back in charge, however none will come close to slapping the banks with a debt levy.

While on the surface, it may seem like a “good thing” given that so many of us have a “hate-hate” relationship with the Big Four and their cartel-like behaviour in shifting interest rates to whatever flight or fancy takes their whim, however the stark reality is that, as past behaviour attests, they’ll simply shift the costs of the bank levy onto the consumer – you and I.

So expect interest rates to rise in direct correlation to the financial impost they will incur as the bank levy invariably passes through the Senate.

And this will simply send the economy into a downward spiral. Households will be forced to cut back on retail spending, which will see the economy contract. This will spur business owners into further pleas for more wage cuts sorry, I mean “workplace flexibility” (in addition to the recent penalty rates cuts), which will curtail retail spending further when those employees can no longer afford life’s basic necessities.

Recent stats show that 1 in 5 households are already in mortgage stress. So there’s going to be carnage when interest rates inevitably head northwards.

The Coalition squibbed the opportunity to do anything about housing affordability in the recent budget. Now they’ve gone and done the unthinkable – they’ve actually pulled the trigger on the very thing that’s going to propel interest rates higher.

But of course, if you own your own harbourside mansion at Point Piper debt-free, then you’ll be completely unaffected, while the banks continue to reap billion dollar profits and are set to receive a multi-billion dollar handout for their trouble.

Perhaps that was the idea all along.

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212 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2017 6:52 pm

    Insightful take, sreb …

    But the ephelant* in the kitchen is that 96% of pollies own negatively geared property! (Not including their wives, partners and concubines) …

    The Bank Levy was just another cynical political cheat! To avoid a Royal Commission!

    You can’t have it both ways … either they are the better economic managers than anybody and KNEW the consequences of their decision …

    … OR they’re just a bunch of INCOMPETENT Dickwits©! Who need to find a real job – preferably in the Cayman Islands!

    Choose!

    And to flog the uni students again is just plain stupid – do the LNP want uni students to vote ALP for the rest of their lives? Dumb!

    Do the LNP want the country to deteriorate even further economically? Morons

    Do the LNP expect BIG Business and Banks to prop up society? Ignoramous

    Do the LNP expect that Revenue will just appear by employing 457 Visas? Stupid is …

    Dumb & Dumber!

    How much do we pay these Fuckwits©?

  2. May 17, 2017 7:53 pm

    The Bank Levy was just another cynical political cheat! To avoid a Royal Commission!

    Agree! Agree! Agree!

    And what’s more, the sheeples bought it, as it “appeared” to be punishing the banks.

  3. Wont`be`around`Teabag permalink
    May 17, 2017 9:36 pm

    For now the drooling, swooning, braying media sheeple and `select` on-camera sheeple have fallen for it. Will it still hold `fool-the-sheeple` water in 2019? Will talkbull still be (non)leader in 2019? #probably.not

  4. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2017 10:28 pm

    This bank levy sound like something the ALP would do. Seems like socialists have won. Sucking money from people through taxation means people have less money to spend and a person spending money will create more jobs than a govt spending the same amount of money

  5. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 6:13 am

    This bank levy sound like something the ALP would do.

    Except of course, that’s patently wrong, because, they didn’t.

    They taxed where the ones paying it would pay it, not the worker.

    I did hear they will pass it through, just so it will be clear that the libs are doing what they always do, loading the public up with Government debt

    Uni students pay
    mortgage holders pay
    Internet connections pay (for malwares bastardy)
    And every worker pays for an NDIS that was already paid for.

  6. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 6:22 am

    Does anyone realise that the budget projections are based on massive wage rises.

    This, after the libs finally got what they have fought so long and hard for.

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2017 6:53 am

    just so it will be clear that the libs are doing what they always do, loading the public up with Government debt

    It isLabor that loads up govt debt. By the way we are doomed. We need spending cuts not tax increases. It looks like the Coalition has given up and proposed a budget the Senate may pass. The current forecast is for a surplus in several years time. I will believe it when i see it.

    But it shows how great Howard/Costello were. They were handed a totally trashed budget from Keating and produced a surplus budget within 12 months with unemployment at 7-8% and economic conditions similar to when Labor were running deficit budgets

  8. shaneinqld permalink
    May 18, 2017 7:22 am

    We lost all control of banks when the scumbag ALP privatised the CBA. While the LNP cheered the decision. All pox ridden locusts of epic proportions.

    Of course they will pass it on, there is no brake lever for profit and greed anymore. If a competitor starts to encroach on the big 4 one of them swallows it up. Even Aggregators in the broker network have been mostly swallowed up by the big 4.

  9. shaneinqld permalink
    May 18, 2017 8:09 am

    Private Enterprise.

    The breeding ground for greed, theft and corruption. Total disregard for the law is such common place in so many businesses now that we seem to have lost all control.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/workplace-relations/mamak-restaurants-face-more-fines-for-allegedly-underpaying-staff-20170517-gw77fj.html

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2017 8:27 am

    Robber Barons at work … and play …

  11. shaneinqld permalink
    May 18, 2017 8:28 am

    TB

    When does the 3 year eyetests start from. I was going to have one done next month ?

  12. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 9:13 am

    lol

  13. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 9:38 am

    The more malware gets whacked with his nbn failure, the better

    But things now have gotten so bad for Malcolm Turnbull that one of America’s leading newspapers has performed a community service by warning the rest of the world about his second-rate National Broadband Network.

    http://www.innovationaus.com/2017/05/NYT-What-not-to-do-on-broadband

  14. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 9:56 am

    No Shit Sherlock

    Well, they got what they wanted.

    The Grattan Institute’s Danielle Wood says if something more likely is projected, like wage growth of around 2 per cent, which is what we’ve had for the past three years, the projected surplus disappears.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/hacking-the-budget-the-tricks-that-make-everything-look-rosy-20170517-gw6ndf.html

    We lost all control of banks when the scumbag ALP privatised the CBA.

    I hate to say it Shane, but I AGREE!

    They need the clammy hand of elected officials to (help) keep them honest, no matter how much it ‘stymies’ them.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2017 10:10 am

    Shane …

    When does the 3 year eyetests start from. I was going to have one done next month ?

    Since January 2015 – apparently … The Mad Monk and FKU Hockey will have a lot to answer for historically, methinks …

    https://www.humanservices.gov.au/corporate/budget/budget-2014-15/budget-measures/health-matters-and-health-professionals/medicare-benefits-schedule-comprehensive-eye-examinations

    I do confess I thought it was “upcoming” …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Shane, TR, unfortunately the ALP has been responsible for selling off far more public assets than the “economic money managers” … Anna bLIE was a classic …

    Income earning assets should never be sold!

  16. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 10:38 am

    Assholes

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2017 11:06 am

    Sounds OTT, TR … any proof of origin?

  18. May 18, 2017 11:21 am

    on my abc talkbull just said another `rabbit-ism`, work is the best type of welfare,

    so fcuking clueless, and not challenged by FakeNews

  19. May 18, 2017 11:33 am

    While l couldn`t read `all` of it teebz, it probably is true, l`ve seen a couple of pleb bashing gleeful cnuts over the years, (like-boo`n blubbers) and knew telecoms that told me of their gleeful bosses to sack them (similar to reported)

    most of them are not owners tho, that have the pleb stomping`n staring attitude, its fcuk-knuckles with no trade/tech qual, and probably no degree either, (deadwood hanger-on trying to justify their own existance)

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2017 11:43 am

    … work is the best type of welfare,

    So stop paying private wanna be Human Resource companies squillions wasting money on talkfests … take back the government responsibility re establish Commonwealth Job Centre’s around the country …

    … re-organise and fund TAFEs … actually employ people in apprenticeships contracted to employers …

    … actually initiate infrastructure – do it don’t talk it!

    Fund research in unis … not more talkfests …

    Investigate better ways to train our teacher and trainers to concentrate on learning not teaching and training …

    Trial a basic living income … not all Australians are capable of working … and the admin is more cost effective anyway …

    Consider a “Commonwealth Service” for all school leavers over 17 … 18 months working for the country … civil or military … environment, construction, remote, communications etc … they’ll then have a better idea of what to study and work at … a working gap year?

  21. May 18, 2017 12:20 pm

    l don`t disagree teebz, but what l was getting at is `work/job` is NOT welfare and braying media is too stupid to realize. l would like to see talkbull go to iraq and tell adf staff (while-armed) that work is the best welfare, and how grateful they should be for receiving said welfare. We probably wouldn`t see any more fawning, selfie taking adf-crews with talkbull on the telly.

  22. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 12:43 pm

    It’s apparently from a senate inquiry TB

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2017 2:28 pm

    It’s apparently from a senate inquiry TB

    Then names will be named and charges laid … won’t they? 🙄

  24. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 2:36 pm

    Then names will be named and charges laid … won’t they?

    Under this mob? 😯

  25. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2017 3:11 pm

    Under this mob?

    This is what happened under your mob

    2.4 Mental health impacts of detention

    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]

    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides.[75]

  26. May 18, 2017 3:51 pm

    Did dumbfcuk notice west jonestown is having its bus privatization foisted upon it, while north shore and harbourside are retaining govt buses, under teabag-state govt.

  27. May 18, 2017 4:45 pm

    ,,,,Last year, the restaurant operators were penalised $294,848 for underpaying six employees at the Mamak restaurant at Haymarket, in Sydney. The employees included five visa-holders who were paid as little as $11 an hour, resulting in more than $87,000 in underpayments under the Restaurant Industry Award from 2012 to 2015,,,,

    # ,, Shane, this is another example of what shits me to death. lf a bunch of louts go into a business, (or-workers) and STEAL $87K from the business, they will get sent to the gulag. However, when employers STEAL the same amout from workers, there is no gulag! We are even worse than the yanks in this aspect. When 7-11 got busted for ripping-off systematically their workers in teh-usa, they got the gulag! (8-years l think)

  28. Bananaland`Teabag permalink
    May 18, 2017 5:21 pm

    We all know federal-teabags are trying gift `adani-coal` $1-bill, my abc has just reported bananaland-alp want to gift `adani-coal` a $350-mill `royalty` holiday. Not a fcuking iota of team difference yet again. l wonder if any of`em will ever get around to giving the poor a `poverty` holiday. #probably.not

  29. Tom R permalink
    May 18, 2017 6:13 pm

    six of those deaths were suicides

    Compared to

    1 asylum seeker murdered by guards, several deaths, including 2 because of alleged medical neglect

    I’ll see if you can spot the difference.

  30. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2017 6:34 pm

    I’ll see if you can spot the difference.

    Yeah and what about the other 6?

    Mate you are shameless. You can add to that Labor locked up 8,469 children.

    Calling you evil is an understatement

  31. May 18, 2017 7:32 pm

    Bernie Sanders supporters are suing on behalf of a potentially immense class of donors and party members, and claim that the DNC charter requires the chairman to “exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the presidential candidates and campaigns.”

    But which is the real position of the Democratic Party? Should we buy their public rhetoric that they are establishing a fair process to include everyone and prevent abuses? Or should we believe what they say under penalty of perjury, that their rules are non-binding and party officials are always free to go back to business as usual?

    Democrats use them to wriggle out of paying staff the way the party insists other employers should pay theirs. From one side of its mouth the party talks like a predatory, pin-striped employer, and from the other, it denounces businesses and Republicans if they object to their hypocritical version of “economic justice.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/donkeys-or-asses-democrats-bray-but-wont-pay/article/2621938

    # ,, SaveTheSwampers and braying media unhinging over the-ronald today, tend to be pushing `her-turn` sins out of the spotlight at the moment.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2017 9:42 am

    TB

    When does the 3 year eyetests start from. I was going to have one done next month ?

    Shane (and any other males) … I’ve just had blood taken for tests (a regular half year check) … this time I was told the PSA (prostate cancer) test is no longer covered by Medicare … I will be sent a bill – apparently … pricing between $20-$50 a lot of money to those on a pension …

    Chip, chip, chippin’ away … its a dangerous road they taking … Medicare IS under threat!

  33. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2017 9:51 am

    Yeah and what about the other 6?

    You really are quite unbelievable at times.

    And now the grubmint goes after pensioners

  34. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2017 10:20 am

    So, have the Greens changed their tune again yet?

    State education ministers have claimed they are united against the Turnbull government’s new school funding model and will keep their fight up in schools and in the Senate.

    ………

    The NSWTF has released a hit-list based on state government data that shows NSW public schools are set for a $846m cut in 2018 and 2019.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/18/state-education-ministers-unite-against-gonksi-20?CMP=share_btn_tw

    SA released a list to, and it was quite extensive

  35. May 19, 2017 5:49 pm

    Al Jazeera’s Shihab Rattansi, reporting from Quantico, Virginia, where Manning was detained at a US Marines base for three years, said her leaks “revealed the normality of lies and brutality” by the US government.

    “In the end, it was Manning who was punished, not those at the highest levels of the US government whose actions were exposed,” Rattansi said.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/wikileaks-source-chelsea-manning-set-released-170517033051249.html

    # ,, l`m glad to see manning `actually` got released. No sign of the warcriminals heading to the gulag/s tho.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2017 6:05 pm

    I used to live in your world, tbagz … and realised I lived in reality … nothing is knew …

    John Lennon got it right in so many ways … “What If we Had a War And nobody Came?” “Give Peace A Chance” “Imagine” …

    But the world is full of wannabe Dickwits© who follow a few rich Fuckwits©

  37. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2017 7:44 pm

    You really are quite unbelievable at times.

    Mate in 2008 just before Labor in a burst of stupidity abolished the Pacific Solution there were only 6 boat people in detention. Labor increased that to 50,000

    Every problem we have in detention centers is because of the ALP because there was nobody in detention centers until Labor trashed everything

  38. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2017 10:00 pm

    Labor increased that to 50,000

    With a little help from their friends 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/01/08/its-official-australians-hate-asylum-seekers/#comment-41438

  39. May 20, 2017 8:35 am

    “Society advances one funeral at a time.”

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2017 6:02 pm

    Every problem we have in detention centers is because of the ALP because there was nobody in detention centers until Labor trashed everything

    And, and … the ALP spent all the money ’cause there was no GFC … we know … I feel dreadful … that so many d Dumbarses© believe The Young Liberal Propaganda … especially dumb blue haired old pricks who should know better … The Holocaust is just left wing propaganda told by Russian Scientists kidnapped from Auschwitz …

    Yep, we know all that, neel …

  41. May 20, 2017 7:38 pm

    For those tired of 15yo ipa pig-shit.

    The Swedish Prosecutor has now dropped that investigation because all avenues to pursue it have been exhausted.

    The announcement means the WikiLeaks leader no longer faces sex crime allegations in Sweden, although British police say he is still wanted in Britain for jumping bail in 2012.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-19/swedish-prosecutors-end-investigation-into-assange-allegations/8542998

    # ,, my bet is britannia can maintain its stupidy quite a while longer, even tho sweden-arse-licking-teh-usa got its tongue stuck.

    ++++++

    That`s the hippy`s Lennon. Confused? Cold-war pinkists usually follow the `other Lennon` (-:

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 21, 2017 11:31 am

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/the-boats-will-be-back-under-bill-shorten-no-matter-his-denials/news-story/653b1d62ae2041f15d5ec01ba18c23fe

    As he continues to lift in the polls, Bill Shorten’s going to start promising us he won’t restart the boats, but being soft on immigration is in Labor’s DNA. ………Kevin from Queensland got in and thought he could get away with dismantling the Coalition’s tough border protection policies to win friends in inner-city latte land but the people-smugglers had other ideas. Almost immediately their trade started up again and as I watched them from opposition, Labor was utterly powerless to stop it. The Rudd-Gillard-Rudd record of chaos must not be forgotten: 800 boats, 50,000 illegal arrivals, 17 new detention centres, 8000 children in detention and 1200 deaths at sea (that we know about).

    “That was then, this is now,” Bill Shorten will say.

    Don’t be fooled.

    Some of you might look at Chris Bowen and see a man trying hard to be a credible shadow treasurer but I see the man whose record as immigration minister should disqualify him from any future office. Under Julia Gillard, 398 boats and 24,447 people arrived on Mr Bowen’s watch; the worst record of any immigration minister in Australian history. Hapless, reckless and completely inept; is it any wonder people are worried what he would do to the economy if this was his previous ministerial effort?

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2017 5:35 pm

    Start living in today’s world … neel …

    A new analysis of the combined impact of the Turnbull government’s budget measures suggests women earning below-average wages could be hit with effective marginal tax rates of 100%.

    A study of budget initiatives by the National Foundation for Australian Women, to be released on Monday, says a combination of an increase in the Medicare levy, the freezing of family tax benefit rates and earlier repayment requirements for student loans “are particularly harsh for women”.

    The study notes the proposed increase in the Medicare levy will affect women on incomes greater than $21,644 and, for women who are eligible to receive family tax benefit part A, the rates are frozen for two years.

    “Those who pay childcare fees will continue to face high effective marginal tax rates,” the report says. “University graduates will start repaying loans when they reach income levels of $42,000 per year.

    “These changes hit those on earning well below the average wage and are particularly harsh for women.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/21/budget-analysis-shows-some-women-hit-with-effective-marginal-tax-rates-of-100

  44. May 21, 2017 6:56 pm

    A,,,,,study of budget initiatives by the National Foundation for Australian Women, to be released on Monday, says,,,,,

    # ,, l wonder what/if ,,,,National Foundation for Australian Women,,,, had `anything` to say when joolya chopped into single-mums welfare. #justsayin

    # ,, l`ve been noticing more`n more, many of these `quoted-groups/reports` take political `sides` and go mute when it rattles their team.

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2017 7:10 pm

    … had `anything` to say when joolya chopped into single-mums welfare. #justsayin

    I’m not a member of any group (BRMA notwithstanding) …

    … but I can assure you I was VERY vocal about THAT nonsense (as if single mums end up single by themselves, FFS!)

    And one of the reasons Gillard lost any support I had for her (let’s face it, Rudd, was a Dickwit©) … as the, then, local Fed member found out on a “footpath stop” discussion … and the local member lost her Fed seat and went on to be the state government AG, FFS! A simpleton if ever I met one!

    This country is governed raped by every snout feeding moron in the country!

    It’s become the 51st State of the Union of Stupid Australians …

  46. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2017 9:26 pm

    and go mute when it rattles their team.

    You’re obviously a blinkered idiot

    https://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox&q=gillard+single+parent+pension&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 21, 2017 9:48 pm

    “These changes hit those on earning well below the average wage and are particularly harsh for women.

    Govt debt was minus $44B in 2007 ie less than zero. It is now at $346B an increase of $390B in just 10 years. We cannot go on like this. Everybody needs to take a cut.

  48. defending`the`vile`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2017 11:13 pm

    Gillard,,,,cut it again in late 2012 when, on the same day as her celebrated ”anti-misogyny speech”, she announced that 80,000 sole parents who had previously been spared would be moved from the PPS to the lower Newstart benefit within months,,,,

    ,,,,Both governments exploited prejudice against single mothers to justify their cuts, claiming they were designed to ”increase women’s participation in the workforce”. In fact they did the opposite, removing incentives for single mothers to work or study and trapping them in such abject poverty they had little time, or energy, to do any more than survive,,,,

    https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/56930

    # ,, Wow! team-cheerer, a google link. You seem to be rapidly sinking to the same level as the in-house dumbfcuk. lts a sheer fcuking `disgrace` that you mindlessly even `try` to defend jooLiar on this one. Next you`ll be crowing on her behalf for her pro-gay marriage crap since leaving, even tho she didn`t vote for it or sell it either when in power. The greenz are going to (quite-rightly) eat your lousy teams lunch.

  49. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2017 6:15 am

    lts a sheer fcuking `disgrace` that you mindlessly even `try` to defend jooLiar on this one.

    As I said, a blinkered idiot.

    I wasn’t defending her. I was pointing out that she copped a lot of flak for it.

    As this mob should also.

  50. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2017 6:23 am

    yes, totally f….d

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 9:58 am

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/ato-boss-coached-staff-to-say-alleged-fraud-was-mainly-fake-news/news-story/9a0dacb5103f86ecc5612bf4e8d3da10

    Does anyone else find this rather silly?

    The AFP has said it does not believe Michael Cranston knew about his son’s alleged activities beyond the warnings he issued over the phone.

    He obstructed justice FFS! Conspired to defraud FFS! The father is as guilty as the sone in that he aided and abetted with confidential information … and warning his son meant he knew what was going on! FFS!

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 10:02 am

    Everybody needs to take a cut.

    Not everyone … just the leaners … here’s a sample …

    ► Negative Gearing Welfare
    ► Trust Fund Welfare
    ► Super Tax Breaks for the Rich Welfare
    ► Multi-national Tax Dodge Welfare – Emphasising the PANAMA PAPERS
    ► Present Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare
    ► Post Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare
    ► Pollies International Travel Wastefulness
    ► Liberal Party Economic Incompetence
    ► Reduction or Stopping Private School Funding for Any Future Cases of Paedophilia
    ► Gay marriage plebiscite wastefulness
    ► $9.4 billion Lodge wastefulness

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 10:08 am

    NBNvnow fully f*cked

    Old boys club, TR … round and round we go … down and down we go … I really am getting fed up with this “oh, his family has been around forever, Nigel … my grandfather knew his great uncle …”

    I was happy to become an Australian to get away from all the private school, he knows who knows him, shyte …

    But its back with a vengeance … what about apoointing someone with good management skills and a technical background … not a frigging nukalear scientist … with an admin (get someone else to do all the work) background …

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2017 11:11 am

    Not everyone … just the leaners … here’s a sample …

    And the govt will never get back to surplus following your ideas. The govt is getting plenty of money. We need spending cuts. If the govt gets more money they will just spend it.

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 12:11 pm

    Do you ever read your own comments … neel?

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2017 12:18 pm

    Yes. By going after more income the govt is showing that it has no stomach to cut spending. If you give the govt more money they will just spend it. A govt looking for more revenue is a govt never going to run a surplus budget

  57. May 22, 2017 1:30 pm

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  58. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 2:33 pm

    Yes. By going after more income the govt is showing that it has no stomach to cut spending.

    And here are examples … to CUT spending!

    ► Negative Gearing Welfare
    ► Trust Fund Welfare
    ► Super Tax Breaks for the Rich Welfare
    ► Multi-national Tax Dodge Welfare – Emphasising the PANAMA PAPERS
    ► Present Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare
    ► Post Pollie’s Expenses & Perqs Welfare
    ► Pollies International Travel Wastefulness
    ► Liberal Party Economic Incompetence
    ► Reduction or Stopping Private School Funding for Any Future Cases of Paedophilia
    ► Gay marriage plebiscite wastefulness
    ► $9.4 billion Lodge wastefulness

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So SlowMo has said that the bank levy is tax deductible … and the banks are saying that the levy will be passed onto punters (could not call them customers or clients) … so who actually pays (suffers the loss), again?

    And who actually makes the profit?

    What a con … I say we need a Royal Commission into Banks, Superannuation, Financial Institutions, Tax Advice and Loan Companies … all at once or one at a time … oh and offshore investments such as the Cayman Islands …

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2017 3:32 pm

    And here are examples … to CUT spending!

    Don’t see too many spending cuts there. Fact is nobody wants their precious spending program cut.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 4:01 pm

    Don’t see too many spending cuts there.

    Look more closely … oh wait!

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2017 4:19 pm

    How about a list of govt programs we could cut?

  62. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 22, 2017 4:35 pm

    reb

    As soon as she hired that scumbag Ashby I knew they were a sneaky underhanded pair. The leaked recording shows just how immoral and underhanded Ashby is. Then they go on TV as though there is nothing wrong because the proposal never got implemented. The problem Ashby is your suggestions that the AEC be rorted and then you state you will deny the conversation. Hanson needs to sack him now or her name will be mud, much like his.

  63. May 22, 2017 4:49 pm

    shane!! ashby is a scumbag, pauline should never have `adopted` him, l agree

    ++++

    teebz!! not implying/saying you were a member, justsayin on the `fakenews` aspect

    ++++

    teamcheerer,,,,You`re obviously a blinkered idiot,,,,

    teamcheererBackPeddling,,,,I wasn`t defending her.(#crap) I was pointing out that she copped a lot of flak for it,,,,

  64. May 22, 2017 4:55 pm

    Shane,

    Agreed, though Hanson is either an ignorant moron or incredibly gullible.

    I think it’s both.

    That “wtf moment” during that clip is priceless! 🙂

  65. shaneinqld permalink
    May 22, 2017 5:26 pm

    reb

    It is priceless, I saw the whole thing on the telly. If looks could kill she would have dropped him there and then. I think she is gullible, however I also think she is so set in her mind that she will only listen to what she wants to listen to and who for that matter. What I cannot understand is how she hooked up with Ashby in the first place. Why on earth would you want him anywhere near your party after his history. Does he have something on her ? All I know is that her credibility is being trashed more and more as each week passes.

  66. shaneinqld permalink
    May 22, 2017 5:27 pm

    Drain

    why did she ‘adopt’ him ?

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 5:41 pm

    How about a list of govt programs we could cut?

    They ARE government “programs” for the RICH …

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 5:48 pm

    Ashby, Wyatt Roy and Brough and Pyne should all be serving sentences for treason …

    … trying to bring down an elected government anywhere else – they would be … but then we have the infamous AFP …

    No wonder I sympathise with the miners at Eureka! And they were the original Mexicans FFS!

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2017 5:52 pm

    why did she ‘adopt’ him ?

    She probably didn’t … like all leeches, he latched onto her!

    sreb, ignorant moron or incredibly gullible I agree both … as are the people who vote for her … disenfranchised is the buzz word!

    I confess I’m becoming disenfranchised every day! The world has gone bonkers!

    Thank Christ, (grrr – capC!), for Charlie Pickering!

  70. May 22, 2017 5:58 pm

    No idea shane. l can only go on paulines learning difficulties, and ashby`s advanced training in `greasy` weasel-wordiness. Bad choice by pauline. Pauline `should` have known arseby was pure poison after the `slipper` stuff, as most others would.

  71. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2017 6:13 pm

  72. May 22, 2017 6:40 pm

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  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2017 6:43 pm

    … trying to bring down an elected government anywhere else – they would be … but then we have the infamous AFP …

    Any evidence for that or that that what you want to believe?

    And we need to start to cut govt programs to get the budget back into surplus but it aint gunna happen. It is amazing how quickly things change. Going from zero govt debt in 2007 to $390B of debt in just 10 years. And the people who caused all this debt ie the ALP and their supporters show no shame.

  74. May 22, 2017 7:24 pm

    October 11, 2012 9:48 am,,,,Yes fans of the duopoly, after Joolya and Mr-Rabbit screeched at each other, they voted together to cut pensions. Not their own salaries which range from 170K$ to Joolyas 470K$,,,,

    https://theguttertrash.com/2012/10/09/tony-abbott-dies-of-shame-in-question-time/#comment-9885

    # ,, team-cheerers with a `boner` for jooLiar; should resist calling those of us that never fell-for the misogyny-day bullshit `blinkered` or other nonsense; and stop looking foolish.

  75. Same`Post`Teabag permalink
    May 22, 2017 7:33 pm

    Further down. Same post.

    October 13, 2012 3:15 am,,,,what I was trying to point out to everyone, that the `news` feminism angle was total bullshit and merely a distraction from the `event` of taking an axe to certain pensions/welfare-benefits needed by WOMEN. Sadly, I didn`t even attract the attention of our resident feminista, who was too distracted by the smack-down screeching and cheer-Leading,,,,

  76. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2017 10:04 pm

    Any evidence for that or that

    I see Bill Shorten is busy highlighting the libs form on the NDIS. It’s been classic

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2017 11:34 pm

    So that is proof they were trying to overthrow the govt?

    No wonder i do not believe anything Labor supporters say

  78. blib`is`no`help`Teabag permalink
    May 22, 2017 11:36 pm

    Your over inflated boner for blib won`t help you either.

    But,,,,.given the budget also carried with it a tax cut for those earning more than $180,000, a continuation of the company tax cuts, and increased penalties for those luxuriating on the $535.60 a fortnight under Newstart, it also begged the question of what it says about the ALP that such a budget could be considered ”Labor-lite”?,,,,,

    ,,,,,It suggests that you don’t need a very progressive budget to get that moniker; a worrying thing for the ALP and explains somewhat the response in the past two weeks by Bill Shorten and Anthony Albanese,,,,,

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2017/may/21/liberals-raise-budget-white-flag-but-labor-cant-put-up-mission-accomplished-banner

    ,,,,,The ideological battle over how you can return the budget to surplus appears to be won, but that is not the war and in truth it was always a sideshow,,,,,

    ,,,,,How and to whom government services and benefits are delivered, what rights you have at work, whether or not your family has decent access to education, health and child care, are always of much greater concern to voters than how the budget is predicted to return to surplus in four years time,,,,,

  79. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 23, 2017 6:57 am

    James Ashby also owns the company that prints the campaign material for One Nation. What a sleaze profiting from the candidates personally as well. Surely there has to be some stitch up between him and Hanson and siphoning of funds. It certainly is starting to look that way. Looks like One Nation is no different to the rest of them and in it for the money and greed. Reputation trashed the party deserves to be annihilated at the next few elections.

  80. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2017 9:08 am

    It certainly is starting to look that way.

    Yep. Bring the popcorn 😉

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2017 10:05 am

    Asked the same question last night!

  82. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2017 10:06 am

    It is looking like banks are going to be the big winners from the bank levy?

    The pass on the levy to consumers (taxpayers). So it costs them nothing.

    Yet they claim that as a tax deduction. Which means, they make that money, paid for, AGAIN, by the taxpayer

    So, the taxpayer is basically paying this levy twice, for no change to the budget bottom line, and a feathering of the banks nest?

    WTF!!

    Yep, you gotta remember, this was designed by a banker.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2017 10:08 am

    Speed: 36Mbps …

    Techs in street … adding cable (underground Telstra) to those homes without … how will that affect speed??? I queried … raised eyebrows, sideways glance and silence was the reply … mmmm

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2017 10:10 am

    Yep, you gotta remember, this was designed by a banker.

    Yep, a shonky one too!

    “I think Cayman again this year, darling?”

  85. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2017 10:10 am

    yet he can still afford to donate $400 million?

    I’ll assume that’s all tax deductible? 😉

  86. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2017 10:20 am

  87. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 23, 2017 11:13 am

    My thoughts are with the families in Manchester at this time.

  88. shaneinqld permalink
    May 23, 2017 11:15 am

    Tom R

    Yes paying no tax and then receiving almost royalty coverage for Philanthropy is a sour aftertaste in my mouth.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2017 11:55 am

    My thoughts are with the families in Manchester at this time.

    Aye, lad! (way too close to some of my family – ov’r Pennines!)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We could all not pay any tax and just donate to whatever charity – or religious order – we choose that would keep the wheels churning, hey? 🙄

    One for the rich and one for the plebs!

    (There has always been a fawning arrogance about Twiggy that I detest … can’t quite put my finger on it …)

  90. May 23, 2017 12:58 pm

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  91. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2017 1:41 pm

    My thoughts are with the families in Manchester at this time.

    Yes, sounds like a terrible incident.

  92. May 23, 2017 2:42 pm

    HA HA. Great `working-example` on display today. We have swooning FakeNews over 1st-class citizen twiggys cherry-selective charity self-promotion; to cherry-selected 2nd-class citizens; with prime meddler trumbull hanger-on stealing as much twiggy lime-light as he can. Great to see the 2nd-class citizens around here that don`t get to `off-shore` and don`t get the `tax-loopholes` are not falling for the corporate public relations exercise. #americanisation

  93. Where`is`my`Teabag permalink
    May 23, 2017 3:21 pm

    Where is boo-melb now-a-days? l`m a tad surprised he hasn`t turned-up to crow on behalf of twiggy and boardroom brilliance! He must be hunkered down in the ipa tea-caddy to feel `safe`. (-:

  94. May 23, 2017 3:55 pm

    teebz,,,,Techs in street ,, adding cable (underground Telstra),,,,

    # ,, most likely NOT techs, but outsauced to agents with low-paid plebs that haven`t even done it before, techs will be doing the `connecting`, not `laying` cables now`a-days

  95. No`longer`techs`Teabag permalink
    May 23, 2017 4:01 pm

    teebz,,,,Techs in street ,, adding cable (underground Telstra),,,,

    # ,, most likely NOT techs, but outsauced to agents with low-paid plebs that haven`t even done it before, techs will be doing the `connecting`, not `laying` cables now`a-days

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2017 6:11 pm

    … most likely NOT techs, but outsauced to agents

    Bit like you tbagz… 😉 I think you meant “outsourced” … probably lucky for you that ToM isn’t around … 🙂

    I’m sure the “labourers” dug the trench, tbagz, under the supervision of the two techs (who were there to connect – as you cleverly noted) that I spoke to … just as the traffic controller put up the signage … according to AS/NZ Standards …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Specifically, the committee has obtained a report of investigation dated March 14, 2016, showing that general Flynn told security clearance investigators that he was paid ‘by US companies’ when he traveled to Moscow in December 2015 to dine at a gala with Russian president Vladimir Putin,” the letter continued. “The actual source of the funds for general Flynn’s trip was not a US company, but the Russian media propaganda arm, RT.”

    Conflict of interest? Or what?

    But the POTUS and FLOTUS are loved in Israel just like the NetenYahoos!

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2017/may/22/they-love-us-trumps-and-netanyahus-overheard-in-israel-video

  97. May 23, 2017 8:22 pm

    Yeah teebz, working for the civil-engineer/contractors as TA/Labor `used` to be reasonably good, no matter which `utility` crew you were on. Always knew how long the job went for, pay`n conditions, ability to run your `professional-diary` etc. Unfortunately all the `sauce` has gone to these fcuking agents that fcuk you about in all manner, and many of them seem to have gone the way of the airport ground crews. lts become another `sector` where the greedy cnuts prefer to give the cash to the agents and not the guys doing the job. l haven`t done it for a while, but l still know guys that do it from time to time when desperate, and like myself hate the take-over by the agents, and less pay, info, or stupid fcuking `rosters` etc.

  98. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2017 9:09 pm

    Where is boo-melb now-a-days?

    Probably got sick of watching one ranting schitzo rant to itself all day

  99. May 24, 2017 12:52 am

    Just caught the arse-end of qandaland, this Ruski dude has the best explainer of the-ronald and so-called democracy`s l`ve seen/heard for quite a while.

    Qandaland/MIKHAIL ZYGAR,,,,,You know, I can say that people… all the people are afraid of having no alternative, that they have no… They cannot participate and they cannot affect… influence their future. I think that’s the problem, not only for Russia. That’s the problem for a lot of countries in the world. And… When I was speaking about Russian propaganda, I can tell that it has changed a lot during the last few years.

    And the current main message of Russian propaganda is not that we are the best and that… let’s say, America, is our enemy. No! The new message is that we’re all the same. We’re… They are the same dirty bastards as we are. They are as corrupted, all the elections in the world are fraud. All the policemen are brutally killing innocent people.

    All the politicians are corrupted; look at the Panama Papers. Democracy does not exist. All the liberal values, that’s all bullshit. That does not exist. And I think a lot of people in Russia really believe that that’s true. There is no point in looking for any alternative. No other… There is no alternative. No other future. And I’m afraid not only Russians believe in that. When we see… Trump triumph in America that’s probably… probably that means that a lot of people in the United States do not believe in that democracy, in that liberal values.

    When a lot of people in Europe are voting for extremists, they are not… They’re doing that not because of Putin has brainwashed them. No! Because they do not believe in progress. There is no progress in which we used to believe in for decades. Nothing is… If nothing is better in the way it should be, it means the model is wrong.

    # ,, l agree with Mikhail.

  100. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 24, 2017 7:20 am

    Sadly I have to agree with Alan Jones today. I have not heard or seen of 1 single Muslim leader condemning yesterdays most cowardly attack on innocent children.

    We have political leaders around the world condemning the attack, yet complete and utter silence from the Muslim world.

    Where are all the Muslim countries leaders condemning the attack, where are all the Mufti’s condemning the attack. Where is the call to attack this extremism at the source, the extreme leaders preaching division and hatred.

    I also agree that we now have to have an honest conversation about this.

    I have the most beautiful Muslim clients, however now is the time to start talking about this without the hysteria of being called a racist.

  101. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2017 8:35 am

    Sadly I have to agree with Alan Jones today. I have not heard or seen of 1 single Muslim leader condemning yesterdays most cowardly attack on innocent children.

    I will, if we find out none have.

    As in previous attacks, they Muslim community have been out condemning, but it isn’t highly advertised.

    I wondered this morning when I saw jones ranting, why didn’t they get a representative on? I don’t know if they had tried and failed?

    We probably won’t know.

    But, if they don’t, then the entire (Muslim) community will suffer (more) for the actions of a few

  102. shaneinqld permalink
    May 24, 2017 8:54 am

    Tom R

    They have challenged the Muslim Leaders to condemn the actions. Why haven’t any of them called a TV Station? Why haven’t they called a Radio Station?

    The entire muslim community will suffer more for the actions of a few, for simply not speaking out themselves and that is their choice not the terrorists choice. If they choose to remain silent then they deserve the ramifications of their own inaction and condemnation.

    So sick of eggshells and trying to justify the entire community. They need to start justifying it themselves.

  103. May 24, 2017 9:02 am

    ” If they choose to remain silent then they deserve the ramifications of their own inaction and condemnation.”

    Agree, and heck if they claim they’re not getting any mainstream media coverage they can always voice their concerns on social media.

  104. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2017 9:05 am

    They need to start justifying it themselves.

    WOW. “They” didn’t do anything.

    http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/muslim-organisations-in-leicester-condemn-manchester-arena-terror-attack/story-30348230-detail/story.html

  105. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2017 9:23 am

    Why they are not alongside megaphones like jones…? Guess you’ll have to ask the stations that one.

  106. shaneinqld permalink
    May 24, 2017 9:45 am

    Tom R

    They are capable of calling a TV or Radio Station are they not? I don’t have twitter or facebook. People want to see and hear on MSM. I noticed you had to go searching for responses. We should see many visible responses. No doubt the media would throng to a media response by the leaders of the Muslim community.

  107. shaneinqld permalink
    May 24, 2017 9:53 am

    reb

    Agree on your comments. Regarding the lashing I did hear Julie Bishop say she would investigate.

    I have no desire to ever set foot in Indonesia. What I find the worst in that story is the crowd baying for more and being disappointed when the lashing paused. They are now breeding blood thirsty citizens brainwashed by religion to welcome and encourage violence and pain against other human beings. A Medieval world of which I have no desire to contribute by way of tourist dollars.

  108. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2017 10:00 am

    I noticed you had to go searching for responses.

    Exactly.

    I hear the same thing about Labor and them getting their message out all the time.

    I discovered that this was not from lack of Labor trying.

    We are very poorly served by the media in this cuntry.

  109. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 24, 2017 10:04 am

    Tom R

    Sunrise asked them to come out and condemn the attack. They could have called channel 7 one minute after that challenge and I have no doubt they would have been speaking to Kochie or Sam. How many have taken the challenge ?

    This I not a case of poorly served at all, this is a case of not taking up a challenge that would calm a lot of very angry people.

  110. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2017 10:07 am

    Sunrise asked them to come out and condemn the attack.

    Do you mean they called them directly, or just said on air they should, without even doing a simple search as I did to confirm if they have or haven’t?

    Which, as you saw, they had.

    It’s called journalism for a reason, although, I know the brekkie shows are ‘entertainment’ (if you like that sort of torture)

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2017 10:23 am

    email from NBNco:

    Hello TB,

    Welcome to gen nbn™ – the new generation of digital Australians who are doing extraordinary things. The nbn™ network has arrived and – “”my address”” – is ready to be connected.

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  112. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2017 10:36 am

    The problem I have with Indonesia is that it is the largest Muslim country in the world! And our closest neighbour …

    I’ve never been to Indonesia but I recall talking to a colleague who travelled extensively around the world for a large multinational … he told me Indonesia was the only place he had ever felt “uncomfortable” … and he was not easily “disturbed”.

    After thinking about the above … maybe the imam(s) here prefer to maintain a low profile just in case their cousins in Indonesia fire up one day … and look south west?

    We really should be spending money on drones instead of F35s and subs … both air and naval … armoured vehicles too?

  113. May 24, 2017 11:23 am

    “”What I find the worst in that story is the crowd baying for more and being disappointed when the lashing paused””

    Yes, it’s quite sickening.

    I’ve seen the video on line and it’s disturbing.

    It seems that gay people are increasingly being singled out and punished in Indonesia and Russia but for what purpose is beyond me..

  114. shaneinqld permalink
    May 24, 2017 11:37 am

    Tom R

    What was to stop any religious leader calling channel 7 and stating they condemn the attack and end the challenge. Absolutely nothing. Trying to continually justify people who do not condemn atrocities committed in the name of their religion no longer washes with me after this attack on children.

    reb

    Right wing religious ideological hatred, no other reason.

    TB

    If the Imams here decide to maintain a low profile after the attack on innocent children it just shows how poor their own personal faith and beliefs truly are.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2017 12:02 pm

    reb

    Right wing religious ideological hatred, no other reason.

    TB

    If the Imams here decide to maintain a low profile after the attack on innocent children it just shows how poor their own personal faith and beliefs truly are.

    Fair call on both, Shane …

    Evil exists where good men people do nothing …

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2017 12:05 pm

    Disgusting!!!!

    The online editor of conservative publication Quadrant has said it would have been preferable for the Manchester bomb to be exploded in the ABC’s Q&A studios on Monday night, blowing up host Tony Jones and the panellists.

    “This morning, mere hours after Jones’ guests pocketed their ABC taxi vouchers and repaired to hotel rooms paid for with taxpayer dollars processed through the Sydney writers’ festival, mere children were torn to pieces on the other side of the world,” Roger Franklin wrote in a piece published online on Monday.

    “Life isn’t fair and death less so. If there had been a shred of justice that blast would have detonated in an Ultimo TV studio. Unlike those young girls in Manchester, their lives snuffed out before they could begin, none of the panel’s likely casualties would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity’s intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty.”

    The ABC has called the article “a new low in Australian public debate” and demanded an apology and the removal of the article from the Quadrant website. In a strongly worded letter to the editor of Quadrant, the ABC managing director, Michelle Guthrie, said ABC staff had to be reassured of their safety and safety experts had to be called in to assess if there had been any damage to security from the inflammatory words.

  117. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2017 1:28 pm

  118. May 24, 2017 2:10 pm

    One Notion, the gift that keeps on giving…

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  119. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2017 4:20 pm

    more gifts

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  120. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2017 4:26 pm

    lol

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2017 6:03 pm

    Turnbull’s “Snowy 2.0” revealed to be double the cost, and years late.

    From big things little things grow?

    Q: How do you make a small fortune?

    A: Start with a fkn big one!

    MALfunction TurnAbbott is a waste of space … not the full sandwich … dullest knife …

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2017 6:06 pm

    Pauline Hanson asked today if cows are alive when they’re slaughtered under halal certification.

    How much do taxpayers waste on this silly bitch?

    Absofuckinglutely astounding!

    The ignorance is – dare I say it – STUNNING!

    Shakes head … cleans screen … again …

  123. May 24, 2017 6:14 pm

    Oh shane, the only thing Jones proves is the gay community `does` have a bad example and should nail the closet door shut; and the only thing kochieSam proves is how sucky my abc breakfast is.

    When do you think we will here them all squealing about warcriminals needing to go to the gulag/noose for mass murder and destruction of iraq, with spillover into syria/others based on total lies? You won`t. You won`t even see them learn anything. Instead you will see FakeNews continue to peddle/drown-out fact/truth for the elite. Mh17, seth-rich, dnc-fraud, manning, wikileaks, snowden, sweden, assange, all contain info being avoided/distorted by braying FakeNews media.

    Mikhail (above) was probably too `intelectual` for our uni-degree holders here; but l think his explainer also transcends just politics; you could swap a lot of other topics into his quote and would be pretty acurate too.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2017 6:45 pm

    How funny …

    An Aboriginal Elder fell into the pool of reflection and BARNABY Juice saved him … LOL!

    I know I shouldn’t but Barnabas? LOL!

    Best wishes to the Elder of course …

    Have to clean the screen again!

    I’ll end up dehydrated!

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2017 6:52 pm

    Mikhail (above) was probably too `intelectual` for our uni-degree holders here;

    Do you mean here – as in TGT? Or here – as in Australia?

    BTW I think you meant “intellectual” … undergrads know that … 🙂

    And another thing … … all contain info being avoided/distorted by braying FakeNews media.

    As opposed to your comment above?

    Just sayin’ …

  126. May 24, 2017 8:04 pm

    Kind of proves my/mikhail`s point, folks are `fatigued` by the `noise`, folks then choose to avoid the many topics and concern themselves with `spleling` and `granma`.

    as,,,,in TGT? Or here; as in Australia?,,,,

    # ,, why exclude pauline-country?

  127. teebz`preferred`Teabag permalink
    May 24, 2017 8:28 pm

    all contain info being avoided/distorted by braying FakeNews media.

    As opposed to your comment above?

    # ,, Which aspect/s teebz?

  128. May 25, 2017 2:32 am

    Shane, by the standard `you` place on moosies then; every gay needs to apologize profusely publicly for every vile thing jones says; and every bananalander needs to apologize profusely publicly for every brainfart pauline utters.

    Things are `not` as they (seem) get reported.

    ++++

    FakeNews,,,,not speaking out themselves and that is their choice not the terrorists choice. If they choose to remain silent then,,,,

    FakeNews,,,,Sadly I have to agree with Alan Jones today. I have not heard or seen of 1 single Muslim leader condemning yesterdays,,,,

    FakeNews,,,,speaking to Kochie or Sam. How many have taken the challenge ?

    This I(s) not a case of poorly served at all, this is a case of not taking up a challenge that would calm a lot of very angry people,,,,

    ++++

    realnews,,,,bbc are reporting manchester bomber was dobed-in to plod on two seperate occasions by two seperate (muslim?) friends/family five years ago (according to an anon `community-worker` that told bbc),,,,

  129. shaneinqld permalink
    May 25, 2017 7:19 am

    Drain

    Talking about spelling and grammar.

    Why so many unnecessary punctuation marks in your comments, can you not simply comment using correct punctuation rather than hundreds of them. It would save you hours of keystrokes and my eyes.

    As for your comments relating to gays apologising for everything Jones or Hanson says, what a pathetically poor attempt at wedging someone. Jones has not killed people. Hanson has not killed people. If you cannot interpret the difference then you have far less intelligence than your over punctuated comments allude to.

    So my opinions and observations are now Fake News. Keep that up and I will simply scroll past your own comments.

  130. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2017 9:29 am

    As for your comments relating to Muslims apologising for everything Jones radicals ………

    Yes, I see you point 😉

  131. shaneinqld permalink
    May 25, 2017 10:11 am

    Tom R

    Did you watch sunrise ?

  132. shaneinqld permalink
    May 25, 2017 10:14 am

    Tom R

    What Quran quote are your twitter links referring to that they claim was refused to be revealed? Nothing was refused to being revealed in the interview. I watched it and was very impressed by Imam Tawhidi.

  133. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2017 11:26 am

    Did you watch sunrise ?

    I HAVE STANDARDS!

    (They are low, but still higher than that 😉 )

  134. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2017 11:35 am

    What Quran quote are your twitter links referring to

    Open the tweet in a new tab

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2017 1:10 pm

    # ,, Which aspect/s teebz?

  136. May 25, 2017 4:09 pm

    Shane, first-off, sorry l offended you with my `lazy` short-style quote label.

    The full quote-label should be; Shane-Re-Echoing-FakeNews

    Yes, yes, l was well aware you were only `re-echoing` the same tired, lazy `narrative` that fakenews trots out with after each and every `misery` event; a narrative that is total bullshit by the way; and bbc has shown the start of that narrative is crumbling.

    Sadly, the manchester narrative is rapidly mimicing the lint-cafe narrative; oops, we(govt) were warned about the guy or should have known, but we were too busy making budget savings.

  137. May 25, 2017 4:45 pm

    The new-york narrative mimics the boltsville `auto-tewwa` narrative too shane.

    Chalabi,,,,there was an incident in New York, just before…just before I left to come here in which a man ran over some pedestrians in Times Square and the media very quickly lost interest basically because his name wasn`t Mohammed, effectively,,,,

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4651256.htm

    (this has mikhail (above) too, which l noticed l forgot)

  138. kochieMels`favorite`Teabag permalink
    May 25, 2017 5:21 pm

    Did,,,,you watch sunrise ?,,,,

    lts true that kochieMel and kochieSam have owned the timeslot for decades in the ratings-war; but l don`t think many around here are going to `admit` to ever watching it (-:

  139. shaneinqld permalink
    May 25, 2017 5:41 pm

    Tom R

    Here is the very next verse 5.33 after the verse you linked.

    “The recompense of those who fight Allah and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is their disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great torment.” (Qur’an 5:33)

  140. shaneinqld permalink
    May 25, 2017 5:42 pm

    Drain

    Regarding budget savings, how on earth will the LNP pay for more anti terrorism measures while giving $50,000,000,000 tax cuts at the same time?

  141. May 25, 2017 6:14 pm

    Shane, as far as l`m concerned, `all` govts(global) have a bottomless well of stupidity to draw upon; and unlimited resources funded by treasury; which enable govts to spread their stupidity as far and wide as they wish. That`s why l don`t believe any of`em.

    There is really no point asking me or anybody else how the teabags will pay for `this` while doing `that`, as the teabags really only have one plan, which is basically `Reverse-RobinHood`, take from the poor and give to the rich, and the rest is just `noise` to create cover.

    Of course they will try to gift 50-bill to the rich; then run around screaming budget-emegency or similar, wanting to cut this and that; 20%-gst and more `levies/tax` hitting mostly the poorer, you know, the same old song. Just don`t let FakeNews know the secret (-:

  142. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2017 6:54 pm

    Here is the very next verse 5.33 after the verse you linked.

    All pertinent, if you ignore the ‘innocent’ bit 😉

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2017 7:49 pm

    Drain

    Regarding budget savings, how on earth will the LNP pay for more anti terrorism measures while giving $50,000,000,000 tax cuts at the same time?

    And more F35s and subs and armoured vehicles … the list goes on … somewhere in the background are private schools peddling religion … if we’re they are honest!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TR, I’m having trouble following your discussion could you clarify for me?

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2017 8:11 pm

    And more F35s and subs and armoured vehicles

    It was the ALP who ordered the F35s and wanted 12 subs built in Adelaide

    Anymore lies you want to tell?

  145. May 25, 2017 9:16 pm

    I`m,,,,having trouble following your discussion could you clarify for me?,,,,

    # ,, teebz, team-cheerer and shane are having a battle quoting skyfairy at each other. lt looks like a `lose-lose` situation to me. Shane thought l `wedged` him, tho l was only giving working examples of how a `group`(here) is not responsible an individual (in-britannia) or other sub-group actions elsewhere. l think team-cheerer is on the same track.

  146. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 5:43 am

    TR, I’m having trouble following your discussion could you clarify for me?

    It has to do with a quote from the tweet thread above. It reads

    “Whoever kills an innocent human being, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and whosoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he saved the life of all mankind.”

    To which Shane replied with

    “The recompense of those who fight Allah and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is their disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great torment.” (Qur’an 5:33)

    I simply pointed out that, I didn’t believe many of those young girls at the concert were engaged in a ‘fight’ with Allah.

    Hell, the murderer would have no idea if any of the victims were even Muslim themselves.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending any religion, and, ALL religions have text that can be interpreted in many ways.

    I’m pointing out that our media is shit, and have a chosen narrative they are pushing without getting both sides of the story

    eg, they let jones crap on about “no Muslim leader condemning’ the attack”, when I showed several instances of that happening.

    Did they correct the record? I don’t need to spend hours of my day watching vacuous ‘infotainment’ to know the answer to that.

    Shane can confirm for me it seems. 😉

    I also think the Muslim leaders need to do more than they do. Especially when you have powerful voices misinforming the public. I’d like to say from a position of ignorance, but I doubt that.

  147. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 6:48 am

  148. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 26, 2017 8:27 am

    I hope the right wing nutters rushing to the defence of Margaret Court and her comments claiming freedom of speech are not the same right wing nutters who only a few weeks ago wanted to banish and destroy Yassmin Abdel-Magied for freedom of speech.

  149. shaneinqld permalink
    May 26, 2017 8:39 am

    Tom R

    There are far more quotes of calls to violence in the Quran then there are calls to peace.

    I agree on the interpretation issue as it is the same with the bible.

    However, how many people have been killed in the name of radical Muslims over the last 15 years in comparison to radicals of any other religion or group around the world. We have a major problem. Just how many terrorist training camps around the world that are not Muslim do you know of?.

    Powerful voices misinforming the public are from both sides including the Muslim leadership.

    You seem to think the media would not broadcast Muslim Leaders standing up and condemning terrorist attacks. I think they would.

    Muslim leaders need to take control and action on the radicals. They need to shun them and they need to stop pussyfooting around the edges simply because they are all Muslims.

  150. shaneinqld permalink
    May 26, 2017 8:44 am

    Tom R

    In relation to ESSO and all the other arseholes isn’t it about time the ACTU did some advertising showing facts and figures and do it regularly. Out them on TV and Radio. The LNP might have trashed the unions and ripped out their teeth, but they cannot stop them from advertising. When the unions only put these things on their own website or publication they are preaching to the converted. They need to fight them at the media posts where most people watch and read and they need to do this to win over the retired as well who represent a major voting block.

  151. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 9:27 am

    However, how many people have been killed in the name of radical Muslims over the last 15 years in comparison to radicals of any other religion or group around the world.

    Undeniably true. Of course, how many non Muslims children have been killed by Western artillery targeted to those areas?

    Out them on TV and Radio.

    You understand the media support the likes of ESSO. I took perhaps too much delight to see the same churnos who fed the #truc frenzy by exquisitely transposing every salacious accusation leveled at the Unions, only to play a dead bat when the truth came out, and who helped the frenzy against Sally McManus for daring to say that we should rebel against unjust laws, only to find themselves on the receiving end of corporate mistreatment and breaking those very laws they had so recently championed.

    Our media is shit, and, if you don’t think they don’t want to help the Muslim cause, just reflect back on the sunrise/daybreak? drivel with jones making a completely false statement, and please, show me the correction they have since put out?

    They are one of the main reasons our polity is so broken. They have a lot to answer for

  152. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 9:31 am

    The LNP might have trashed the unions and ripped out their teeth, but they cannot stop them from advertising.

    Except, as you just mentioned, they have just been trashed and had their teeth ripped out.

    I’m not sure people understand just how much the legal costs and requirements of the turc witch hunt costs, and still costs, the Union movement as a whole? They had massive requirements placed upon them for documentation and evidence to be provided. Plus the hours of legal representation it took.

    Resources that would have been far better utilised fighting assholes like esso

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2017 9:38 am

    Thanks, TR … I tend to agree with BOTH points of view … but I have seen and heard some very strong action/words from the Islamic community in Manchester … last night’s 7:30 Report as an example …

    I confess that I’ve fought the hypocrisy of christian religions since a little kid … and for good reason into my adulthood …

    The West is now paying dearly for OIL … the current dramas were caused by the Gulf wars and of course a millennia of shoving the Middle East around …

    And … as I have said in the past … we should never get involved in civil wars …

    And the West have killed children … impossible to deny USA “collateral damage” … and “shock and awe” tactics …

    What is disturbing is that the extremists seek asylum in the West and then attack the country that harboured them …

    We cannot condemn all muslims, just as I cannot condemn all catholics … I don’t know them all … but the actions of so many make it difficult not to …

    And finally … if our expert anti-terrorist organisations are doing so well … why do they “always” know about the terrorists “before” the event but can’t prevent the action?

    The father of the Manchester bomber should have had red lights flashing all over him!

    (Luckily none of my UK relatives were harmed … they live just 26 miles away and I was concerned about a couple of my cousins’ children – whom I’ve met)

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2017 9:44 am

    They need to fight them at the media posts where most people watch and read and they need to do this to win over the retired as well who represent a major voting block.

    Agree, Shane, although many of those “retired” are watching the IR Pendulum swing way too far to the Right (Employers) …

    Labor IS the party of the Unions and they should be proud of that … people still have no idea of the effort that people took, for many years, to gain the benefits that workers now enjoy … but are slowly being whittled away …

    Note: I was a metal trades union rep for a couple of years … and as a manager a member of the MTIA …

    The only time I can remember all parties getting a fair go was during the Hawke/Keating Accords!

  155. shaneinqld permalink
    May 26, 2017 9:50 am

    The areas targeted are terrorist training cell areas or sympathisers. We do have to react somehow when citizens are blown to smithereens by extremists !.

    What utter garbage about the media with you stating they don’t want to help the Muslim cause. They are reporting violence and death and as such the cause of this violence and death is Islamic Extremists. Just as the media reported the IRA and their horrific actions.

    Sunrise has no need to apologise or make a correction. They had two Muslim Leaders as guests who had radically differing opinions and amazingly the one who points out violence in the scriptures and advocates peace is spat on and abused when taken to western Sydney by channel 7 previously. Shows the peaceful nature of them doesn’t it.

    Our polity is broken from our own personal actions.

    No matter what your comments in relation to the unions and the media it does not stop the unions from advertising. Maybe they can ask members for a fighting fund like they have so many times before. I agree about TURC but unions need to either advertise and point out what is happening and what they are trying to defend or they will die. I am sure advertising on smaller radio stations and country areas are far cheaper than the cities and would be preaching to those who are not converted.

    At least I am coming up with ideas and not always excuses !

  156. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 9:54 am

    wow, talk about FOS

  157. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 10:00 am

    More laff’o’lympcs

  158. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 10:25 am

    Sunrise has no need to apologise or make a correction

    Of course not. jones can just lie all day long and it’s all fine

    it does not stop the unions from advertising.

    It’s called money Shane, something that they have been bled dry of by this current mob

  159. shaneinqld permalink
    May 26, 2017 10:32 am

    “It’s called money Shane, something that they have been bled dry of by this current mob”

    I suggested a fighting fund , you again suggest excuses.

    Jones did not lie. I had not seen any comments from any leaders either and I was watching it unfold and the news sites on the internet. A little bit of social media is not the same as calling a TV Station or a Radio Station or a Main Stream Newspaper to vent your disgust and total opposition to the terrorist attack. Especially after you are challenged to do so. If I was a leader I would have contacted them all. I would have done everything to vent my disgust. I would have done all in my power to get my message of total opposition and anger to the community that is seething with hatred of these extremists. I would not have simply posted a comment on facebook or twitter of which many of us do not belong or subscribe to.

  160. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 11:00 am

    I had not seen any comments from any leaders either

    And he reinforced that belief by telling you none had

    Yet many had, at the time of his statement. And he has not corrected the record. And, if I had not shown you, you would probably have still been under that impression.

    At a time like this, ramping up prejudice is a terrible thing to be doing.

  161. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 11:08 am

    Why don’t Labor get in front of the media and say this (yes, that’s a redundant question, I know)

  162. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 11:50 am

    That look lol

  163. shaneinqld permalink
    May 26, 2017 12:50 pm

    Asking for leaders to condemn terrorist atrocities in the name of their religion by extremists is ramping up prejudice ?

    Honestly Tom R you really exaggerate things to the extreme yourself at times.

  164. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 2:04 pm

    Asking for leaders to condemn terrorist atrocities in the name of their religion by extremists is ramping up prejudice ?

    No, stating that those leaders aren’t condemning terrorist atrocities when they quite obviously were and then refusing to set the record straight is ramping up prejudice.

    Don’t try and put words into my mouth, that’s yomms job 😉

  165. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 2:07 pm

  166. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 2:38 pm

  167. May 26, 2017 2:45 pm

    One of the people that you are re-echoing is Jones who is a fakenews bully if ever there was one; a nasty hypocrite that specializes in personal attacks thru his microphone on the weaker elements of society; bashing moosies and unemployed and junkies are his favorites. The bully is also a coward that remains in his closet, too frightened to admit to his own personal details publicly, in case he gets some of what-he dishes-out.

    Shane,,,,Asking for leaders to condemn terrorist atrocities in the name of their religion by extremists is ramping up prejudice ?,,,,

    lts crap shane. No aussie needs to defend, appologize or explain `actions` of anybody in britannia. Period. No matter how much FakeNews pretends aussies do.

  168. May 26, 2017 3:52 pm

    We,,,,have a major problem,,,,

    # ,, yes shane, we do

    Just,,,,how many terrorist training camps around the world that are not Muslim do you know of?,,,,

    # ,, Let`s just look at `who` exactly `provided` those training-camps, shall we

    # ,, afghanistan, teh-usa, cia armed a little group ran by a charming fellow named bin-laden to kick russia and build his trainy camp/s #our.team

    # ,, iraq never had, but now has lots of trainy camps, all due to teh-usa, Aust, britannia wmd-lies #our.team

    # ,, syria, iraq spillover, total mess, lots of groups trainy camping #our.team

    # ,, Libya promised usa-protection for handing over its wmd/s, obama broke promise and armed rebel/s that have turned Libya into one big trainy camp #our.team

    (manchester bomber has been to Libya, dad`n brother too)

    Could the narrative screamed at shane by FakeNews be merely to distract the viewers from historical facts?

  169. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2017 4:52 pm

  170. May 26, 2017 5:14 pm

    Wow team cheerer! keating hit gold, the twits on that thread are fantastic!

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2017 6:35 pm

    Massive costs. Untold skill and experience lost. Families disrupted.

    How to run a country … like a business? What fkn nonsense … none of these Fuckwits© could run a fish and chip shop that’s why we Pooolyn … making money off the teat!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Absofuckinglutely

    Does Paul Keating know that he as breached my copyright? FFS! Paul! Your one of my heroes!

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2017 6:38 pm

    Flattered tho’ … 🙂

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 26, 2017 6:40 pm

    Your one of my heroes!

    No wonder. Govt debt went from 7% of GDP to 18% of GDP under keating and we lost our soon to be lost again our AAA credit rating. Unemployment was at 11% when keating became PM.

    No wonder TB likes Keating

  174. May 26, 2017 7:08 pm

    Shane won`t like todays sbs-news; reported by iraq churno embedded with our-team, teh-usa allied, iraq soldiers that are just grabbing un-armed civilians and torturing them for no reason except `fun`; all caught on film.

    (here comes next-gen of tewwa)

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2017 10:06 pm

    Neil of Sydney

    Who?

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2017 10:08 pm

    … soon to be lost again our AAA credit rating

    Thanks to the poor economic management over the last FOUR years by the LNP Military Circus …

  177. May 26, 2017 10:20 pm

    There is more to life than aspirational dumbfcuks that want the worlds 56th best set of telegraph wires. Tomorrow lndo will send schapel corby back to bananaland.

  178. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 26, 2017 10:22 pm

    Thanks to the poor economic management over the last FOUR years by the LNP Military Circus …

    No deadbeat. Labor blocked the spending cuts in the 2014 budget. We have been running budget deficits since 2008 thanks to YOU and the ALP. Fact is we are doomed and you do not care like all ALP supporters

  179. May 26, 2017 10:58 pm

    Yes team cheerer, fate did bite fairfax churnos on the arse over mccmannas #chuckle

  180. shaneinqld permalink
    May 27, 2017 7:36 am

    Tom R

    These are your exact words at 11.00am yesterday.

    “At a time like this, ramping up prejudice is a terrible thing to be doing.”

    So please explain to me how I am putting words I your mouth. That sentence in the context your wrote it could mean nothing else. Just in case it does mean something else please enlighten me.

    Drain

    I am not oblivious to history, that does not excuse what is happening by extremists from one specific religion. You still did not provide any evidence of any terrorist training camps that are not muslim.

    You paint the west as a horror fest of killers and murderers. The west also saved the Yazidi from total genocide, (just one example) they have also protected many minorities from the atrocities around the world.

    Mistakes have been made and I have readily acknowledged them. Bush should never have invaded Iraq for a start.

    Your comments seem to be making excuses for the existence of the camps.

    What I am sick to death of is the total attack on the west. If our society is so bad, so terrible, so murderous, so despicable and so mean why do people flee to the West and not to these other countries. How many flee to the countries you have mentioned.

    If there were Christian groups doing all of this I would be demanding the Pope condemn it immediately and call a press conference. You don’t need to be of the particular sect to condemn actions.

    I can see from peoples comments who can actually see reason and between stories rather there own one sided political ideology viewed through stained glasses.

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2017 8:04 am

    … we are doomed… doomed … I tell youse!

    The End is Nigh … !

  182. May 27, 2017 8:21 am

    Shane, its neither here nor there that they are mooosies, we `teh-west` have created the trainy camps, proped up all the tyrants in the area, dumped the jews there to ease our conscience for ignoring the 1930s-40s genocide of jews, murdered their chosen leaders to replace with puppets, trampled and killed them during two of largely our world wars, and cheated them out of promises/deals for fighting with/for us; which has been `near` continual for the last 100-years. WE have ripped the corks out of so many bottles and have no hope in hell of stuffing all the genies back in. Yes, yes moosie is the rally-cry to attract the loose nuts; but if they were all christian; we would still have screwed them all and they would still have a `rally-cry`; just like ireland did; just like teh-usa did after 911 or pearl harbor. Take a look at saudi, one of the most brutal and unjust places, but as long as our team can keep getting their oil; and they keep buying up big our weapon; WE don`t make a squeak about them; even tho its the particular `flavor` of islam the tewwa is based-on.

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2017 1:59 pm

    The End is Nigh … !

    And it is about time you apologised for the damage your vote in 2007 caused.

    In 2005 we were debt free. By 2007 we had $44B in the kitty earning $1B/year. WE are now up to $390B of net debt costing is billions of dollars in interest mainly to overseas investors.

    What a traitor to Australia you are.

  184. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2017 4:52 pm

    So please explain to me how I am putting words I your mouth.

    Gladly 🙂

    You said
    Asking for leaders to condemn terrorist atrocities in the name of their religion by extremists is ramping up prejudice ?

    I replied
    No, stating that those leaders aren’t condemning terrorist atrocities when they quite obviously were and then refusing to set the record straight is ramping up prejudice.

    There is a big difference from asking for them to say something, and outright proclaiming that they are silent (when they are not)

    that does not excuse what is happening by extremists from one specific religion.

    I AGREE!

    And once we acknowledge that they are extremists (and that EVERY ideology has them), then we can perhaps target the real problem, instead of laying at the feet of the particular ideology.

    I mean, when Right Wing Dingbats go off the deep end and open fire (which they do with disturbing frequency), do we attack Right Wing Dingbats as a whole, or the Dingbat who went off the reservation?

    But I AGREE!, the Muslim leadership NEED to be more pro-active.

    AND, they were. We were just oblivious to it.

    I lay the blame for that at the feet of the media, not the Religious leaders.

    Has jones apologised for his slur yet?

    Has nil apologised for taking up precious internet capacity?

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2017 7:19 pm

    What a traitor to Australia you are.

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2017 7:20 pm

    Is anybody else sick of hearing Schapelle Corby!?

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2017 9:00 pm

    FFS! Leave it alone … we spent 15 fkn years in Afghanistan an its still a basket case!

    If politicians want to fight there … give ’em all a rifle and some grenades … and send their kids with them … read some history …

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-12024253

    Keep fighting in the Middle East and suffer the consequences here … and the rest of the Western world … THIS IS A RELIGIOUS CIVIL WAR … and these days there are alternative OIL supplies … give it a break FFS!

    The shadow defence minister, Richard Marles, has signalled Labor would be open to increasing defence force numbers in Afghanistan if needed, as conditions on the ground deteriorate.

    He says al-Qaida is increasing its presence in Afghanistan, Islamic State is playing a role, the country is experiencing an insurgency, and “we can’t afford to see Afghanistan lost”.

    Marles said Labor had asked for a briefing from the government regarding last week’s request from US Pentagon officials for the Australian defence force to commit more troops to the troubled country.

    The US request followed a recent Nato call for an increased contribution from Australia as part of a possible allied surge in Afghanistan, the Australian reported.

    And finally … the way Trump has treated the PM and this country … fuck his “request”!

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 29, 2017 10:00 am

    Hi y’all, I’m still here.

    Am on holiday in Tassie, using the The River Cafe’s free wifi at Beauty Point – beautiful but chilly!

    This is my view

    https://assets.atdw-online.com.au/images/0772b562289314c3139f73a8c523acf3.jpeg?rect=194,0,3076,2307&w=800&h=600

    Don’t tell me that wealth comes from hard work in this country. No wonder lobbying is the job of choice for our post career politicians

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2017 11:03 am

    G’day KL!

    We’re talking about another trop to Taswegia … luv the place and the people … have you driven down the road into Queenstown yet? 🙂

    Shouldn’t that be Sir Jeremy Christian the Crusader? Jeremy is a very British name for a Yank, hey?

    The right wing in any form hate the ABC … because its unbiased … in their world there is only winning and losing … its a battle for supremacy and control … not fairness and progress … for making as much money as possible … not living a full life as a contributing member of society …

    As for the billionaires … let’s call them what they are ROBBER BARONS …

    “Nothing is new”, (Aish, our Egyptian Guide, 1997)

    Enjoy the rest of your holiday … well-earned I would guess …

  190. May 29, 2017 2:06 pm

    Hi KL…! 🙂

  191. May 29, 2017 4:46 pm

    smh,,,,Game of Mates will convince you that seeking favours, be they planning approvals or the right to build casinos or toll roads, is what makes Australia go round. Certainly it makes Australia’s job market go round. Local council planners move into positions with developers, state and Commonwealth government ministers take up positions with companies they used to regulate and former Treasury officials sit on the boards of private banks. The book’s appendix on movements in and out of the offices of mining ministers is eye-popping,,,,

    ,,,,There are two implications. One is that Australia needn’t feel particularly worried about taxing billionaires. It doesn’t much stifle innovation. That’s not how Australian billionaires make their money,,,,

    ,,,,The other is that it that our high earners hurt us in ways that those in other better-run countries do not. They not only get ahead of others in the queue to build casinos and tunnels and the like; their lobbying can get casinos and tunnels and motorways built in the wrong place,,,,

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/game-of-mates-how-billionaires-get-rich-at-our-expense-20170526-gwe0dp.html

    #game.of.teabags

  192. May 29, 2017 5:48 pm

    request,,,,from US Pentagon officials for the Australian defence force to commit more troops,,,,

    # ,, What a joke the whole teabag-mess has turned into.

    # ,, tv talking-heads are saying Aust is sending `30`-adf trainy trainy types, (yeah, that`s gunna work)

    FYI ,, in `todays` money, vietnam cost Aust $6-bill ,, so-far, $12-bill has been incinerated in iraq`n afghan, with NO-end in sight #compare.the.stupid

  193. May 29, 2017 7:52 pm

    The cold-war geriatric mccain was just on reportland pontificating teh-usa doesn`t like this and doesn`t like that, most of which are global-messes teh-usa created. More of the same. Of course it will work! (-:

  194. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 30, 2017 6:32 am

    Tom R

    At the time I said I had not heard any condemnation and that was true. I still completely disagree with your statement that this is the medias fault, I have no doubt whatsoever that if a Mufti rang channel 7 had said I have something to say, they would have flown there in their helicopter in 5 mins.

    There are extremists in all religions, but at this moment in time the absolute majority of murderers, shooters, bombers, throat slashers and kidnappers are MUSLIM extremists. Therefore should we not attack the majority sources and be holding real discussions about why the majority are Muslims and this includes acknowledging when violence and discrimination is preached in this country by Muftis or Religious leaders.

    KL

    Would expect nothing less than Sky News removing a poll which is not suitable to their ideological privatise and swallow up policy, despite it coming from their own audience. Shows that their audience prefer diversity and not manipulation.

    Billionaires as a result of political connections just shows how corrupt and damaged our so called democracy has become as a result of the despicable duopoly we have.

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2017 12:14 pm

  196. May 30, 2017 1:56 pm

    “Australia is desynchronising from the global growth uplift,”

    Or in other words, the LNP has fucked the economy and has no hope of resuscitating it.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/australia-getting-left-behind-as-dollar-shares-lag-20170530-gwg68v.html?google_editors_picks=true

  197. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2017 2:43 pm

    Hi KL, jealous, yes I am 🙂

    Hope you are enjoying your hols

    Thanks for the pics though, I visited via google maps and street view. Nice spot

  198. Random Hashtag permalink
    May 30, 2017 3:51 pm

    #I do hope y’all copy Margaret Court and boycott Qantas due to its partnership with Emirates Airlines as well as Etihad Airlines since both are UAE Airlines ” # and according to Wiki

    -Article 354 of the Federal Penal Code states, “Whoever commits rape on a female or sodomy with a male shall be punished by death.” While English translations of the Arabic text are in some dispute, it is generally felt that this is a prohibition against rape, and possibly consensual sodomy.

    Mohammed bin Nukhaira Al Dhahiri, Minister of Justice, Islamic Affairs and Auqaf stated, “There will be no room for homosexual and queer acts in the UAE. Our society does not accept queer behaviour, either in word or in action”

    In 2008, two lesbian tourists were given a one-month jail sentence and then deported for engaging in public displays of affection while visiting a beach.[9] The trial, reportedly the first of its kind, prompted the police to create a special task force to combat homosexuality and other “indecent acts” from taking place on the beaches.[10]

    On 7 June 2012, a Belgian man admitted to police that he was in a homosexual relationship with a Filipino. He was arrested and jailed for a year to be followed by deportation.[16]

    So if we change the name of Margaret Court Arena I guess y’all will support a name change for Etihad Stadium.

    Anything other than that would make you a hypocrite wouldn’t it ?

    So boycott Qantas just as Margaret is where possible

  199. May 30, 2017 6:06 pm

    guardian,,,,In the wake of Brexit and then the inexplicable triumph of Trump, domestic politics has been framed by many pundits around the consensus that we were facing our own imminent populist moment,,,,

    # ,, By trying to sell mr-rabbits victory as trump-like, l think this really shows most of braying media just DO NOT understand the brexit and the-ronald victories.

    # ,, mr-rabbit won (a long term inside player that helped create many miseries since the john-w days), favored by braying media. Voters, sick of the alp knifing kevin07, sick of jooLiar after clawing into power; voters then kicked the alps teeth down its throat.

    # ,, both brexit and the-ronald(outsider) won, NOT favored by braying media. Voters made up of ignored rustbelters and `occupy` kicked the elites teeth down their throat; the elite includes braying media `and` both teams of their duopoly.

    # ,, there is NO brexit here; and our system doesn`t allow for `the-ronald` event; even when the voters select the team because they `really-like` the leader; the stupid grubs within the team will tear that leader down (kevin07) to then replace with somebody the voters really hate (jooLiar); the ONLY thing voters here can do is dump the duopoly on a seat-by seat basis and trying to label it as `populist` or other crap only shows how unhinged FakeNews really is.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2017 6:14 pm

    I suspect that Donald Trump Esq. has well and truly fucked the “populist movement” in Oz … and only confirmed the good riddance of The Mad Abbott (a monk – in money terms) … in exchange for another multi millionaire so-called “nationally leader” … TurnAbbott is out for one person only …

  201. May 30, 2017 7:03 pm

    Just been laughing hard at sbsnews on britannia. Teresa doesn`t seem to be enjoying her `snap` election. l`m going to laugh even harder if a 3rd-player drags the other dude into watermelon-govt instead of teresa. (-:

    +++

    teebz, seat-by seat basis is how our system works, and is meant to. The duopoly have (of-150-seats) 76(teabags) and 65?(blib) with the remaining handfull to indys and other teams. There is really no `populist-movement` in the popularity contest (which mostly is chosen by; who voters hate least) There really is bugger-all `likeness` between Aust and the-ronald, no matter how much fakenews squeals. Take a look at how teams and system work, braindead moonee fcuking ponds will vote for the alp `brand` no matter how much of a dud their-boy is nationwide (repeating the kim-beazley electorate); there will never be a `populist-movement` here. And we have lots of dud-duopoly electorates like this that will always prop-up the `brand` no matter how crap their-gal or their-guy is.

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2017 7:26 pm

    … there will never be a `populist-movement` here

    Never say, never!

  203. May 30, 2017 7:42 pm

    Wrong teebz

    there will never be a `populist-movement` here(in moonee fcuking ponds)

    #or the other `brand-rusted` electorates (-:

  204. May 30, 2017 8:14 pm

    hahah.. Are you in Monee Ponds swamp draining teabag? I used to work there!

  205. DNC`Teabag permalink
    May 30, 2017 10:28 pm

    Nah reb, its an `explainer` edit to teebz and previous comment, that (by his reply) seemed to think `here` meant Aust. (and next time ya gotta go to moonee fcuking ponds take a club, l know a blib that needs clubbing)

    ++++

    Gets interesting.

    scoop,,,,In accordance with his previous statement on this matter, Kim Dotcom’s solicitors in New Zealand have today sent the following letter to Robert Mueller, Special Counsel appointed to investigate interference with the 2016 United States presidential election and related matters:

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1705/S00469/kim-dotcom-approaches-special-counsel.htm

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2017 10:00 am

    Nah reb, its an `explainer` edit to teebz and previous comment, that (by his reply) seemed to think `here` meant Aust.

    sigh! I know you expect people to read between the lines and hashtags and misplaced commas, absent capitals and missing full stops, tbagz … but when you are talking international politics – ie “populist movement” – one would surmise that “here” meant Australia … “seemed to think”? FFS, say what you mean … don’t expect other people to do your thinking for you … sigh!

  207. June 1, 2017 6:28 pm

    May 29 2017 at 4:29 PM Here ya`go team-cheerer (-:

    http://www.afr.com/news/stalled-poll-numbers-vindicate-budget-opposition-labor-20170528-gwf5dv

    # ,, teabags(47%) v team-knife(53)

    # ,, talkbull(45) v blib(33) v anybody-else(22)

    # ,, somebody is letting down the team!

  208. June 22, 2017 7:35 pm

    No, no, no, team-cheerer. Photo`s of team-leader candidates just don`t cut it.

    +

    Pot,,,Calls Out Kettle,,, (-: (-: (-: (-:

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