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It’s War! Abbott tells Turnbull “I’m not going anywhere!”

June 29, 2017

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He’s never really disappeared off the scene but Tony Abbott’s rabid display of treachery and butt-thuggery in the form of his so-called “manifesto” a 10-point plan that Tony is convinced is precisely what the Liberal Party needs right now in order to win the next election convincingly and in such a way that recreates a vision of a white washed Australia from the 1950’s complete with hills hoist in the yard and a bucket of nappies in the laundry.

It takes a certain level of self-delusion to be so utterly convinced that an individual who was heading for electoral annihilation only a few short years ago, should suddenly think that doubling down on the policies that made him so completely unelectable then, should now offer the hope of salvation, and apparently just what the doctor ordered to rescue Australia from the growing left wing threat.

But then Abbott’s is a most unique mind.

With a cavalcade of successive polls suggesting that the Coalition is heading for certain defeat at the next election it’s no wonder tensions are reaching boiling point within the ranks of the Liberal party, with the pent up hatred they usually reserve for the electorate and Labor now being visibly directed towards each other.

It’s delicious to witness. What with the crusty old conservative religious freaks of Abetz, Andrews and Abbott carrying on as though they represent the undying dignity of traditional Liberal values (whatever they are) launching an all-out assault on the flamboyant and comparatively progressive Christopher Pyne over his remarks that gay marriage will become a reality sooner rather than later.

Who hasn’t grabbed a microphone at some royal old piss up in a public venue after a few sherbets only to utter a few words one may live to regret, but for Chrissy to claim that it was a private conversation that was leaked is simply laughable. It was broadcast over the venue’s PA system FFS.

At any rate, it all makes for remarkable entertainment, but it certainly makes one wonder “how long can this sorry charade go on?”

 

 

 

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292 Comments leave one →
  1. shaneinqld permalink
    June 29, 2017 10:58 am

    I would have had far more respect for Christopher Pyne if he simply stuck to his guns and remained quiet. Now that he has apologised it emboldens the gang of 4 ultra conservatives even more to try to undermine any progression for our country.

    If Tony thinks he can win the next election as PM he has become the most deluded person in the country. If you choose him as leader again LNP prepare for a wipeout of even larger proportions than what the polls currently predict.

    Still there is a long time to the next election and anything can happen.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2017 11:10 am

    … complete with hills hoist in the yard and a bucket of nappies in the laundry.

    You make that sound like a bad thing?

    I do hope The Mad Abbott supplants TurnAbbott soon … another three polls to go, I think, would make it 16?

    And of course as the census showed the Catholics are losing their grip … hypocritically/ironically most of the kids at the local Catholic primary school are anything but Caucasian … LOL!

    No wonder Shorten is quiet – let the Tories rip ’emselves apart!

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2017 11:12 am

    And of course as a Catholic … The Mad Monk proves the point re: deceit, lies, cheating … wonder if they have listening devices in all the confessionals … what a protection racket they could run!

  4. Tom R permalink
    June 29, 2017 2:40 pm

  5. shaneinqld permalink
    June 29, 2017 2:45 pm

    Tom R

    Exactly Tony Abbott is only supported by those who are either so right they will fall over if not weighted down and those who do not have quality education.

    The ALP only have to replay his 2013 election promises and then replay every backflip and his goose is cooked well and truly.

  6. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 29, 2017 2:53 pm

    I could argue about that list but this lie cannot be argued about

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/speech/html/speech.htm

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    In an uncertain and fast‑changing world, we walk tall — as a nation confidently living within its means.

    This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time.

    This was a promise made to the Australian people with the full backing of Treasury.

    The ALP also promised in 2007 a NBN costing $4.7B and finished by 2013

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 29, 2017 2:54 pm

    By the way that promise was made by Wayne SWan in May 2012. It turned out to be one of the biggest lies in Australian history

  8. Tom R permalink
    June 29, 2017 3:38 pm

    It turned out to be one of the biggest lies in Australian history

    It turned out to be repeated by every treasurer since 😉

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 29, 2017 3:52 pm

    It turned out to be repeated by every treasurer since

    Really?

    Did Hockey in May 2014 say the next budget would be in surplus? News to me.

  10. Tom R permalink
    June 29, 2017 4:10 pm

    lolz nil

    yea, it may not have been in May 😉

  11. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 29, 2017 4:24 pm

    Hockey made his surplus promise when in Opposition based on the lies in Swans budgets. Swans budgets promised surplus budgets and Hockey made his statements based on those lies

  12. Tom R permalink
    June 29, 2017 4:44 pm

    based on the lies in Swans budgets. same information Swan had, treasury.

    And ever since, the same projections are coming out

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2017 7:13 pm

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz … @ guess who?

  14. June 29, 2017 8:18 pm

    Abbott was last seen running through an empty Parliament house in his budgie smugglers screaming obsceneties and placing plans of nuclear submarines under Turnbulls chair.

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 29, 2017 8:46 pm

    based on the lies in Swans budgets. same information Swan had, treasury.

    Not really. Swan ordered Treasury to push spending decisions around to get his promised surplus.

  16. June 29, 2017 9:08 pm

    Talkbull is rabbits puppet anyway. Nobody cares how hard or how often rabbit arse-fcuks his puppet adf-style; while claiming everybody is `straight`. The poodle is not fooling anybody.

  17. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2017 8:49 am

  18. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2017 9:51 am

    This is quite an evisceration of yabots time as pm. Finally

    This man of few regrets – who gave a knighthood to Prince Philip; did more than anyone else in this country to create uncertainty around energy investment;

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/abbotts-undermining-like-rudd-before-him-is-making-the-coalition-unelectable-20170629-gx18cs#ixzz4lRF38zNQ
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    Yet most STILL blame renewables.

    And, the msm has been at pains to tell us that Labor never paid for Gonski. Yet

    Abbott is angry, apparently, that the Gonski 2.0 deal short changes Catholic schools, apparently forgetting that his own 2014 budget included $36 billion in cuts to schools,

    I’m sure most of the msm will ignore this minor detail

  19. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2017 9:54 am

    And, speaking of Gonski (the real one, not the lib destroyed one)

  20. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2017 10:32 am

    Renewables are the main cause of electricity price rises

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/households-will-pay-up-to-400-more-for-power-because-of-the-rising-cost-of-wholesale-electricty/news-story/e48382071b273f212ab1b3584262517c

    The rising wholesale electricity price, which makes up 45 per cent of a household’s bill, has also increased ­because of soaring investment in renewable energy ­instead of coal….Energy Minister Don Harwin yesterday confirmed to The Daily Telegraph that ­increases were on the way after a period of stability for several years. After disastrous Labor policies on gold plating and the botched solar bonus scheme, NSW electricity prices rose more than 100 per cent over seven years from 2007…………….Wind and solar power are sold more cheaply to the national electricity market than coal and gas due to federal subsidies. But renewables provide intermittent supply and when the wind stops or sun doesn’t shine, coal and gas power stations have to ramp up supply, driving up the spot price. “NSW is headed down the same path as South Australia,” the Australian Power Project’s Nathan Vass said.

  21. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2017 1:13 pm

    Luckily, I can’t access the article. WHo’d have thought, a lib blaming Labor. Here’s some reality

    “We are deeply disturbed by the greed of a few fossil fuel generators,” he said in a letter to customers this week. “This, together with a lack of government policy around future renewable energy targets has resulted in a major market failure for which electricity consumers are having to pay a heavy price.”

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/enova-hits-out-at-greed-of-fossil-fuel-generators-as-prices-jump-79976/

  22. Tom R permalink
    June 30, 2017 1:40 pm

    lol, the same guy in nils link

  23. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2017 8:44 pm

    So there is a leftist in the NSW govt?

    Fact is coal is the cheapest generator of electricity. Labor in Victoria put royalties on brown coal to make coal generated electricity more expensive. And State govts around Australia gave solar generated power rebates to make it more competitive.

    Just come out and say it. CO2 is destroying the planet so we will have to pay more for electricity by using renewables. But do not say renewables are cheaper than coal. They are not and never will be

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2017 11:50 am

    Solar energy is now cheaper in Australia than retail power prices in most capital cities after dropping 58 per cent in the past five years, the Climate Council says in a new report.

    I do not believe it.

  25. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 2, 2017 4:34 am

    FSANZ. Just another Government Department corrupted by Private and Political Influence. To remove a website shows just how degraded our departments have become at the influence of Lobbyists and Private Greed Interests. NO longer the good of the people but rather the profit of the company must come first.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/study-finds-potentially-toxic-nanoparticles-in-australian-baby-formula-20170622-gwwb2j.html

  26. Neil of sydney permalink
    July 2, 2017 1:48 pm

    Solar energy has its problems

    http://www.environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/6/21/are-we-headed-for-a-solar-waste-crisis

    Last November, Japan’s Environment Ministry issued a stark warning: the amount of solar panel waste Japan produces every year will rise from 10,000 to 800,000 tons by 2040, and the nation has no plan for safely disposing of it.

    Neither does California, a world leader in deploying solar panels. Only Europe requires solar panel makers to collect and dispose of solar waste at the end of their lives……..Solar panels contain toxic metals like lead, which can damage the nervous system, as well as chromium and cadmium, known carcinogens. All three are known to leach out of existing e-waste dumps into drinking water supplies.

  27. shaneinqld permalink
    July 2, 2017 3:41 pm

    Once again profits before lives and self regulation rather than government inspection. I wonder when all this will end. Hopefully one day people will see through all of this extreme privatisation, self regulation and greed and understand that we actually do need government and public servants to protect our lives from the greed of extremists through regulation and inspection by public servants and not outsourced to the lowest cost provider who can then be manipulated and bribed.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/victoria/exploding-glass-balconies-in-melbourne-apartments-expose-faulty-building-products-20170628-gx0lwf.html

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2017 5:25 pm

    Shane, this has been going on for a long time … I remember a number of cases in Brisbane …

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/glass-plummets-from-cbd-highrise-20090826-f00l.html

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2017 5:30 pm

    Fact is coal is the cheapest generator of electricity.

    Actually its the Sun … 😎

  30. July 2, 2017 6:50 pm

    exploding glass,,,, also happening with glass shower screens`n doors from china #yaaay.outsaucing #yaaay.offshoring

    as l`ve said many times before, all these teabag-failures are `rapidly-converging`

  31. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2017 9:33 am

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2017 11:06 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/03/malcolm-turnbull-commits-to-run-and-win-as-prime-minister-in-2019-election

    This bloke back-flips on anything and everything including himself!

    Malfunction Tremble …

    People aren’t reaching for the remote to turn the sound down – they just skip to the next channel … and will at the next election …

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2017 11:09 am

    Graphs are interesting, TR!

    The $125 pension/seniors electricity hand out is really just a patronising LNP gesture … or maybe its austerity pork barrelling …

    Jokes all round … not!

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2017 5:10 pm

    More LNP stupidity … these morons have no idea how the real world and the real economy works!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/03/young-jobseekers-could-be-retail-interns-under-new-welfare-program

    Not ALL unemployed kids get welfare … do they work for 12 weeks for nothing … who’s going to monitor the programs …

    Why don’t they have an AWARD for directors and managers and especially bank CEO’s … how come The Mad Abbott was paid at all – he failed ALL of the KPI’s he set for himself …

    This lot needs to be junked and soon before they completely destroy the economy and make 90% of the population destitute … keep ’em hungry? Think that was tried once – in France a couple of hundred years ago … they should read the history!

    Everywhere you turn you see people being stripped of income, work hours and dignity as the Elites hoard wealth and laugh up their sleeves at the poor sods who voted in the Business Party AKA LNP – its like living in a sci-fi film, what’s next … euthanasia at 65 and soylent green for supper?

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2017 5:51 pm

    This lot needs to be junked and soon before they completely destroy the economy and make 90% of the population destitute

    TB- nothing has deteriorated under the Coalition unlike under Labor. And you have yet to apologise for this i suspect because you cannot wait to do it again

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/07/31/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard……Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2017 6:11 pm

    TB- nothing has deteriorated under the Coalition unlike under Labor. And you have yet to apologise for this i suspect because you cannot wait to do it again

    You first …

    Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2017 1:21 pm

    Personally TB i wish you would just rollover and die.

    My original statement stands … let’s start …

    Penalty rate cuts
    Pensioners harassed by Centrelink
    NBN a complete failure

    To be continued …

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2017 6:14 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/03/colombia-three-men-union-alejandro-rodriguez-manuel-bermudez-victor-hugo-prada

    The Mad Abbott & Acolytes will love this …

    I confess to shaking my head tho’ …

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2017 6:22 pm

    NBN a complete failure

    Which NBN are you talking about? The one Rudd took to the 2007 election or the one Rudd thought up on a plane flight?

  39. July 3, 2017 11:00 pm

    This,,,lot needs to be junked and soon before they completely destroy the economy and make 90% of the population destitute,,,

    No hope in that. The braindead adf, afp-plod, asis, asio and any other spooks are all bought-off; or that fcuking braindead they cannot identify sabotage of the nation from within.

    +++

    ln boltsville they are running a bi-partisan cover-up of their inferno-cladding.

    +++

    qandaland,,, alice springs edition,,, aboriginal `welfare-card` (own by teabags) costs the treasury 8K/per-card/pa,,, to `manage`(deny) the aboriginals their cash. #more.fcuking.rip.offs

    +++

    Yes. l saw the latest work-for-dole slavery-for-retail scam too.

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2017 7:31 am

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2017 9:27 am

    Minister for sport Greg Hunt offers to intervene in cricket pay dispute. @CFMEU happy to help too!

    That’s how a liberal free market works m8

    Hunt doesn’t understand Separation of Powers OR Industrial Relations protocol … dumber and dumber …

    We pay these donkeys, “how much!” And for “how long!”

    LOL!

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2017 11:41 am

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/radical-new-plan-to-remove-incapacitated-president-trump/news-story/724b15950dcfd274c373450b4ca8332c

    The headline is just waiting in the wings too!

    “Trump You’re Fired!”

    or

    “Donald Your Fired!”

    Or more with more empathy …?

    “Donald, You’re Services Are No Longer Required”

    Can’t wait.

  43. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 4, 2017 11:55 am

    John Howard and Bronwyn Bishop. Please Explain ?????

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/aveo-shares-slump-after-accc-announces-investigation-20170703-gx3q8j.html

  44. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 5, 2017 2:51 pm

    Yet another outsourcing disaster. Licences used to be tested and issued by government employees.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wa-news/fortunately-nobody-killed-more-than-300-fake-truckie-licenses-in-wa-20170705-gx4xxv.html

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2017 3:32 pm

    Shane,

    The Department of Transport has either cancelled or is in the process of cancelling the 326 licences.

    This should be “The Department of Transport has either cancelled or is in the process of cancelling the 326 licences.” And one RTO should be fined (it used to be $3000 per “award” – Statement of Attainment, Certicate, Diploma, Adv. Diploma or Associate Degree) and be struck off …

    Mmmm … $978,000 fine?

    Usually the states still issue the licence (ie conduct the assessment)?

  46. shaneinqld permalink
    July 6, 2017 12:11 pm

    TB

    The states might issue the licence but the testing and confirmation of competency has been outsourced to private operators. Just like building approvals and inspections for local councils.

    If one more person tells me that WIFI is the future for the internet I will explode. I have WIFI and it slows dramatically as soon as it hits around 7am due to mobile phones being used. I pay $99 per month for a lousy 12Gig. Telstra through the NBN advertises $99 for 100Gig and this also includes Telstra TV. I cannot have fibre or cable as I live 8km from town. Only 8km from town and WIFI is patchy, slow and cumbersome. Our analogue mobile phone system was so much better 15 years ago than the shit we have now. Thanks so much Paul Keating and John Howard and now Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull between you all you destroyed a publicly owned company that covered every single square inch of our land mass and replaced it with privately owned companies only interested in heavily populated areas and stuff the rest of our land mass which is patchy at best and non existent at worst.

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2017 12:26 pm

    shane, can you get a land (telephone) line to your property? Or satellite? (second should be going up soon)

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Re: Licences … the state should do the final assessment for the licence – I’ll bet they by-passed that process … and there are a number of licence testers in WA out of work …

    Like all systems competency based learning is only as good as the people who operate it!

    Makes me wonder about RTO auditing too! (Carried out by the states – although it is a National Training System … )

  48. shaneinqld permalink
    July 6, 2017 1:37 pm

    Yes have landline but cannot get adsl or nbn. Have not investigated satellite yet but have been told by others that it is very expensive, one of my clients and it and it was costing them $1,000 per month.

  49. shaneinqld permalink
    July 6, 2017 1:42 pm

    Just another LNP politician destroying workers wages for their own greed. My God I hate politicians with a passion and the hypocrites like Jeff Kennett make a mockery of our political pensions. Sick and tired of this. The poor employees losing their jobs are being paid far less than the pensions Jeff earns despite making money everywhere else. Hope the Union campaign ramps up to big heights.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/workplace-relations/jeff-kennetts-tech-company-in-crown-casino-pokies-dispute-20170705-gx5673.html

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2017 3:31 pm

    Shane read the BT article above … and this made me shake my head …

    But, without an enterprise agreement, Amtek wages are set by the industry’s safety net, known as the award.

    The author, Nick Costano, sounds like he’s just discovered what a fkn “award” is! “… known as the award …”

    Time for all the unions to step up their recruiting programs!

    I do worry for my g/kids …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re: “cannot get ADSL or NBN” … are you expected to rely on a mobile phone? That’s sounds odd …

    Some retailers have their own ADSL set up (iiNet is one, I think) …

    Problem for you of course is that your fixed phone is supposed to connect via the NBN … and landline cut off …

    My broadband has been dropping in and out since we became NBN “ready” … maybe its all the new connections? I’ve decided to wait out the 18 months on my cable and see what happens …

  51. shaneinqld permalink
    July 7, 2017 8:13 am

    TB

    I worry for all the future generations, they are being conditioned to accept casual employment, no stability, less benefits, less wages, no annual leave, no sick leave, no long service, no training unless they pay for it themselves, work for free for experience, losing their job once they turn 21 as the employer can get someone cheaper, no home ownership, a polluted and foul planet denuded of flora and fauna.

    Greed forcing the individual to fend for themselves has become the norm thanks to big business.

    Will give you an update regarding internet after I do some more investigating in a few weeks.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2017 8:36 am

    I worry for all the future generations, they are being conditioned …

    Yep, backwards further every day … I see the bubonic plague is still around too!

    Bloody broadband has dropped out four times in half an hour … v/annoying …

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2017 2:29 pm

    Just discovered the cause of my broadband drop outs … the cable at the wall had unscrewed! Only one culprit … our Neato robot vac!

    I had already called Telstra and they were about to send out a tech out when I found the problem … luckily they had a good laugh … (BTW talking to a “person” within a minute – on the phone for five minutes … impressed.

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2017 6:14 pm

  55. Ouch`Teabag permalink
    July 7, 2017 9:33 pm

    Did everybody see the prime meddler for `innovation` got well and truly arse-fcuked by the canoeland premier today. lt was fanfcukingtabulous. The rabbits puppet didn`t need to go to the other side of the planet to remain irrelevant. He could have stayed harbourside.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2017 12:45 am

    Behind dramatic G20 clashes a deep demand for a better world
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/behind-dramatic-g20-clashes-a-deep-demand-for-a-better-world,10481

    “…Ahead of this week’s mass demonstrations, the NoG20 International coordination said in a statement:

    ‘The politics of neoliberalism and war is decided in the heart of our cities, closed off to citizens, protected by a militarized police force and backed up by the suspension of political rights. This shutting-down of democracy has one purpose only: to defend the indefensible. Our demonstrations speak for and of a different world.’ …”

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2017 9:08 am

    It’s becoming a case of “stop the world I want to get off” … everywhere you turn there’s some arsehole trying to ruin run your life or destroy others’ …

    And every time you analyse the world problem today it leads you to just a few words … GREED … FEAR … POWER … CONTROL … all negative …

    … what about … SHARE … UNDERSTAND … EMPOWER … EQUAL …

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2017 9:30 am

    Will The Mad Monk challenge, Malfunction Tremble when the polls reach 16 negatives for the LNP … ? Two to go?

    Malcolm Turnbull has lost ground to Bill Shorten as the nation’s preferred prime minister, according to the latest Newspoll data.

    Mr Shorten gained on Mr Turnbull after weeks of Liberal party infighting but Mr Turnbull remains the preferred prime minster with 41 per cent of voters naming him over Shorten, who received 33 per cent of the support.

    The poll, conducted for The Australian, also shows Labor leading the Coalition by 53 to 47 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.

    The new poll came as Mr Turnbull tried to downplay a growing rebellion in his party over same-sex marriage.

  59. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 10, 2017 4:03 pm

    TB

    What amazes me is that the hard right think that if Abbott was leader the poll would be better. How can that be if the ALP vote is up. Right Wing Nutters would never vote for the ALP they would move their vote to another conservative party like ON. So it is the true swinging voters that have shifted. They have seen the unfairness in so many policies and have swung away from the LNP. If Abbott was PM the polls would be worse not better.

    Looks bad for the LNP no matter who is leader, now that the centre has shifted and seem permanently shifted.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2017 5:49 pm

    Agree, Shane, add to that the drama that is occurring in the Greens – who almost “had me”!

    Time for a Baby Boomers’ Party, I reckon! 🙂

  61. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 11, 2017 7:23 am

    Yet they wonder why we hate them with a passion.

    To refuse to agree to ethical standards just shows they are in there for the money and the greed. Thieving politicians. Only 53 of 226 sign up.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/majority-of-federal-mps-refuse-to-sign-up-to-tony-fitzgeralds-ethical-standards-20170710-gx820x.html

  62. July 11, 2017 8:39 am

    Where is the team-swooner? He should be chortling his nuts off now that the canoeland premier is getting worlds biggest battery. l can`t wait to see the dildo that battery is going to be used in, before being shoved up Friedburgers arse. Think warm thoughts Josh.

    ++++

    l suppose ol`trainy trainy will be creating lots of but,but,buts now that the adf have been caught-out killing un-armed citizens and weapons `dropping` in our middle east (mis)adventures. (as l predicted adf were doing too, when teh-yanks were caught)

    ++++

    Regular bleating on my abc mediawatch is the `ad-revenue` moving to the online monsters google and facebook, and away from traditional fakenews outlets and churnalists. That was last night too. These fcukers aint learning a fcuking thing. This morning, my abc breakfast clap-trap ran again, mh17 as tewwa on the 3rd anniversary of the shoot-down. Once again they had the poor fcuker who lost both parents on to fullfill the role of useful idiot and talking head. Still no on-air admission of 16-war jets being shot down before mh17. Still no aknowledging they died because the airline was taking a shortcut over a warzone to save petrol money. And still not picked up by so-called mediawatch.

  63. shaneinqld permalink
    July 11, 2017 8:47 am

    Why doesn’t the LNP act like this when it is a pay rise for the poor worker. Instead of hysterically claiming the country will go broke and objecting to every pay rise for the poor but 1 in the last 30 years. Where is the LNP attacking the Cricketers Association and introducing laws to stop this outrageous actions. No there is money involved and donors involved.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/settle-it-malcolm-turnbull-and-theresa-may-weigh-in-on-ashes-strike-20170710-gx8jnm.html

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2017 10:20 am

    CHORTLE!

    “The sensible centre, to use Tony Abbott’s phrase, was the place to be and it remains the place to be now,” Turnbull said.

    “In 1944 Menzies went to great pains not to call his new political party, consolidating the centre right of Australian politics, ‘conservative’ – but rather the Liberal party which he firmly anchored in the centre of Australian politics.

    “He wanted to stand apart from the big money, business establishment politics of traditional ‘conservative’ parties of the right, as well as from the socialist tradition of the Australian Labor party – the political wing of the union movement.

    “We took the name ‘Liberal’ because we were determined to be a progressive party, willing to make experiments, in no sense reactionary but believing in the individual, his right and his enterprise, and rejecting the socialist panacea.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/11/turnbull-challenges-abbott-party-liberal-not-conservative

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2017 10:23 am

    Hi all, just some items of interest on twitter this am.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2017 10:50 am

    KL, what a depressing collection of tweets … reinforces my decision some years ago to avoid both Facebook and Twitter … both well named in fact!

    TAX the buggers and their Family Trusts I say! ‘Tis only an avoidance scheme – I knew of relatives who “paid” their two daughters – both under 16 and both collecting Austudy because the Family Trust reduced the taxable income of their (now) multi millionaire parents! (You can guess their religious leanings I’ll bet!)

    What happened to good manners and respect in this country? Sky News stole them!

    Why is Latham still around … the man was/is a nutjob!

    And finally …

    433mbps!!!!

    To put that in perspective we struggle to get better than 25mbps in most Oz homes … and 100mbps is the highest on offer!

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2017 7:13 am

    I’m impatient for the revolution.

    Neoliberalism: The Law Of The Jungle And The Monkey On Our Back
    https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/12/social-justice-or-the-jungle-and-the-monkey-on-our-backs/

    The author, in answer to a comment:

    …Mike Dowson · Director at Metascape
    That’s the big question, Roslyn, isn’t it. Jim’s suggestion is relevant. We have power as voters. But this power is wasted if we presume a binary contest between parties which are both in thrall to big money.

    Having thought about this a lot, I believe there is no simple solution. It will require reform of our financial and monetary systems and political donations, greater transparency and public accountability, and the systematic elimination of corruption, nepotism and rent-seeking from the halls of power.

    Of course, that’s going to be difficult. There will be great resistence. It is possible, if we – ordinary citizens – put aside our differences and come together on what we have in common – the need for our governments to represent us all. As Jeremy Corbyn recently said, they are few, we are many. Once we get back our democracy, we can build policy from the ground up, instead of choosing from the limited options offered by big business.

    I think that has to begin at the grass roots, in communities – both geographical and sectional. There are signs of it. Many people are working towards it. Organisations like this are trying to link people together:..

    https://neweconomy.org.au/

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2017 9:38 am

    NENA looks interesting, KL …

  69. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 12, 2017 12:46 pm

    The biggest culture of theft., lies and deceit in this country is business. When is the RC going to happen ?

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/security-guards-who-spoke-with-fair-work-threatened-with-sack-ombudsman-claims-20170712-gx9hr5.html

  70. shaneinqld permalink
    July 12, 2017 12:51 pm

    TB

    Every day is a day of depression at the moment. Then we have Craig James this morning spouting how good business says the economy is, based on, as usual, a survey. Surveys are only as good as what is asked and who returns them. I would like to know 1) What questions were asked. 2) how many were asked to complete it 3) how many actually responded 4) were they small or big business.

    He also started spouting that wages were growing and employment demand was growing. What a crock of shit, wages are stagnated except for those at the top like Craig James. If we took away their wage increases and bonus increases wages would be 0% increase.

    In addition lower penalty rates are now starting to kick in so wages will actually go backwards if you remove the likes of Craig James and those at the top.

  71. shaneinqld permalink
    July 12, 2017 1:35 pm

    There are times when cutting the young off the teat of taxpayer support is warranted.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/cbd/should-i-use-the-ole-size-16s-lecturer-goes-on-rant-after-being-faced-with-empty-classroom-20170712-gx9gu4.html

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2017 2:31 pm

    shane, re the lecture story … while I sympathise with any presenter and an empty room (happened to me once at Blackwater – I wondered why I had such a crowded room the first session – two groups had been given the same date!).

    Unfortunately “learning” is still misunderstood by many lecturers, teachers and trainers … “adults and children learn best by ‘doing'” … not by being talked at …

    I learned not to train people but to facilitate the learning process a quite different approach … its not about the lecture/teaching/training technique but helping people to become competent (ie applying the learning) using tasks and exercises to modify behaviour (and occasionally attitude) … and competence includes being capable of applying both skill and knowledge in the real world …

    (Yeah, I miss it occasionally!)

  73. shaneinqld permalink
    July 12, 2017 2:59 pm

    Bought some Cadbury Turkish Delights and Flakes yesterday. Now made in New Zealand so guess who is now off Cadbury chocolate. I am a staunch Aussie supporter whenever I can.

  74. shaneinqld permalink
    July 12, 2017 3:20 pm

    TB

    One of my clients advertised a position and 16 people were booked for interviews from employment agencies. Only 2 turned up everyone else had excuses.

    I sympathise as well but if a class is totally empty and there are no reasons why, no date conflicts, no contagious virus of which they all contracted and no public holiday, there is something wrong.

    I fully support welfare, you know that, but I also am sick of those rorting the system and if not one single student turned up something is wrong.

    We do learn by doing, but there is also a certain amount of theory and practical exercises. My previous employer had a college we used to attend to be trained as well as do theory before dealing with customers.

    We all have different approaches, however this does not excuse not turning up for a lecture, or appointment , or meeting or anything else when you are being financially supported by the taxpayer without a good reason in my opinion. Otherwise it smacks of entitlement.

    I had no choice in who my trainer/facilitator was or whether I liked or disliked his method. I had to attend. That is being responsible and accepting that not everything is done exactly the way we would like.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2017 4:01 pm

    shane, your talking to someone who did one of the last five year apprenticeships in QLD … two three hour nights a week (after an eight hour day) – got home after 10:00! One day a fortnight … and in the 90’s a five year distance ed degree working full time/travelling and a couple of teenage kids … I “get” commitment and agree with your comments re: “entitlement” …

    ‘Tis truly a different world …

  76. shaneinqld permalink
    July 12, 2017 5:42 pm

    TB

    You would be aware that in the finance industry there is a lot of brouhaha regarding home loans to clients that they could not afford, so I did a simple calculation today just out of interest because the lending rules are changing all the time and mostly at the behest of the government departments who are simply bean counters and not in the real world.

    All of the funders have servicing calculators that we input a clients income, assets, liabilities and living expenses to calculate whether a loan can be serviced.

    With all these hasher restrictions the following transpired.

    The system increased customers actual monthly commitments by $2,531.
    The system increased customers actual monthly living expenses by $1,477
    The system reduced the clients actual monthly rental income by $2,696

    This resulted in an overall negative change to my clients ability to service a loan by $80,448 or $6,704 per month.

    Giving my client 33% less capacity to service a loan. If they think this can continue then the lending market will simply dry up. Taking 33% off capacity to service in the name of conservative lending is simply too ridiculous for words.

    Also destroys First Home Buyers as well, when the allowance for possible changes in circumstances gets out of control.

    Prudent and sensible lending yes, ridiculous assessment levels and living expenses no.

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2017 6:34 pm

    Those number sound ludicrous! Low/no wage increases … and CoL increasing almost weekly … we really are going backwards …

    Elites and peasants …

    Although I see you quote “monthly rental income” … are you a fan of negative gearing???

    I’m presently reading “Too Big To Fail” by Andrew Ross Sorkin … and the disgusting “bonus” and salaries these (mostly men) ROBBER BARONS earned each year … and got away with (walked away) scot free in the end …

    The Uber Kapitalist Syztem has been well and truly rooted by the Yanks … WEST … how to destroy your economic system … greed! Never fails …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just got our power bill … we are owed … yep owed … $600 (half year total) … that original $6000 investment is still paying up … amortised three years ago … noice to beat the buggers at their own game … our ex-resident CPA could never understand the concept of investing in solar energy … chose to criticize rather than look at the business facts …

    As long as we profit I’ll stay on the grid … as soon as we pay I’ll install a battery …

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2017 10:26 pm

    QUEENSLANDER!

  79. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2017 6:12 am

    If they think this can continue then the lending market will simply dry up.

    What do you mean, it’s all fine out there, the papers told us so.

    https://johnjohnsonson.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/how-fairfax-is-destroying-the-property-market-to-save-itself/

  80. shaneinqld permalink
    July 13, 2017 6:32 am

    TB

    You would know from previous comments that I am not a fan of negative gearing at all. It should be removed for all new investments.

    Having said that it is part of the industry I am in and at this stage a legal benefit for those who wish to invest in property. It would be improper for me to not support my clients in relation to negative gearing options. Also my clients would simply go to someone else and thereby destroying my own business.

    I may not support negative gearing, but I do want to have a business so I can pay my bills.

    The figures I provided had nothing to do with negative gearing for the servicing exercise.

  81. shaneinqld permalink
    July 13, 2017 7:16 am

    Tom R

    I am aware of all the tricks of the Real Estate world with Auction Rates being one of the most concocted statistics of all.

    Just when have you ever heard a Real Estate agent telling you that now is not the time to buy or sell ?. It is always a buyers market and always a sellers market because if it was not then they would not have properties to sell or buyers to purchase. No matter what the economy or market, a real estate agent will tell you NOW is the time. There has NEVER been a better time. I have OTHER OFFERS so you need to pressure your broker to get finance as quickly as possible. Blah Blah Blah it becomes white noise to me but stresses First Home Buyers in particular.

  82. shaneinqld permalink
    July 13, 2017 7:21 am

    Once again the underhanded tactics of big business to achieve profit and greed.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/exposed-big-tobaccos-behindthescenes-astroturf-campaign-to-change-vaping-laws-20170712-gx9lsl.html

  83. July 13, 2017 7:31 am

    I`m,,,impatient for the revolution,,,

    For sure neoteabagism is a destructive force for all non-elite citizens, and l enjoyed the explainers in the matilda post armchair, but it is still just a symptom of our (so-called democracy`s) system. The main problem is the system itself. lt doesn`t punish perpetrators or `enforce` what most of us would consider right, just or correct.

    For example, lf some arsehole was smashing up your car with a sledge hammer, you would just phone the plod to take the vandal away to the gulag. But when the vandal/s is a minister and/or prime meddler, there is no plod for us to call, to stop them smashing up and sabotaging our network. (or anything else EG medicare, pensions etc) The compulsory tri-yearly attendance for non-choice selections will never cut it.

  84. July 13, 2017 7:49 am

    wages,,,would be 0% increase,,,

    Correct Shane, agree.

    lower,,,penalty rates are now starting to kick in so wages will actually go backwards,,,

    And my little predictions here is 1) Aldi is the big winner, and 2) Those shopping strips that think chopping their lowest paids wages is a big `win`, will be finding it totally opposite in 18-months time.

  85. shaneinqld permalink
    July 13, 2017 8:41 am

    Drain

    Agree, there will be substantial casualties in the shopping strips, especially the restaurants that state they cannot open unless wages are slashed. They might open but many will close their doors for good. The only benefit will be to big franchises like McDonalds and KFC as more people take up the cheapest food options due to less income.

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2017 9:32 am

  87. July 13, 2017 9:46 am

    Opponents of Adani’s vast new Queensland mine have howled at the premier after she told them they would not stop coal mining in the state.

    Protesters interrupted Annastacia Palaszczuk’s town hall meeting in Cairns on Tuesday night, chanting “no, no, no” in opposition to the mine.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/premier-faces-howls-over-adani-mine-at-town-hall-meeting-20170711-gx9ebj.html

    But the Premier told them jobs were vital and coal mining would not cease in Queensland: “Coal is going to be a part of our energy mix for many years to come,” she said.

    “Rubbish!” the protesters howled in reply.

    They later interrupted the meeting by bursting into song.

    # ,, the resident feminista aint going to like this!

    The Premier’s comments came on the same day her government announced a plan to fight climate change and help protect the Great Barrier Reef by cutting Queensland’s carbon emissions.

    The plan includes aims to “de-carbonise” the state’s emissions-intensive energy sector.

    But while that plan is being executed in Queensland, Adani will be allowed to mine and export the state’s coal so it can be burned in India’s power stations, with India to account for those emissions.

    # ,, Yes! , lt`s another fcuking DUD!! (-: (-: (-: (-:

  88. July 13, 2017 10:08 am

    Part-2 Deputy DUD

    Queensland will have zero net emissions by 2050, under a plan to drive down carbon pollution announced by the state government.

    Deputy Premier Jackie Trad said the Queensland plan was necessary to help the nation implement the Paris Agreement.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/queensland-to-aim-for-zero-net-emissions-2050-target-20170711-gx8qo2.html

    “We know that the Turnbull LNP government at a federal level has failed to provide the national leadership that this country needs in order to meet our obligations under the Paris Agreement,” Ms Trad said.

    “That’s why the Palaszczuk government is taking action now.”

    # ,, FMD armchair, bananaland has chicks-in-charge that are equal rabbit puppets to talkbull. You always reckoned things would be `better` with the chicks in charge. They seem to be oozing the same level of delusion the dudes ooze. #bye.bye.reef

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2017 10:13 am

    The Premier’s comments came on the same day her government announced a plan to fight climate change and help protect the Great Barrier Reef by cutting Queensland’s carbon emissions.

    Queensland Premiere: “Yesterday I couldn’t spell hypocrite, today I are one …”

    From Anna to Annastacia … what next … Annachronism?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Still there is some good news in Queensland …

    Queensland 22 – NSW 6 … another State of Orange* WIN!

    GO MAROONS!

    QUEENSLANDER!

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2017 10:53 am

  91. July 13, 2017 12:06 pm

    From,,,Anna to Annastacia,,,

    lt does seem bananaland is having quite a run of duds in charge teebz, not that the other states are immune. What always sticks out like dogs balls to me is the `sameness` among the lot of them. AP and talkbull are both incinerating taxpayer hardearned on adani and the paris weather club. Both are waffling the same nonsense, pretending it will be somebody elses pollution, and pretending their teams are different while doing identical things. lt also shoots the shit out of claims that having female govt quotas will make things better for the country/citizens. All working examples so far say otherwise. #fcuking.duds #corporate.puppets

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2017 10:34 am

    Dopey Dutton has been quite quiet since this story first broke … unless he’s down with Asian Flu? 🙄

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/border-force-officer-quits-amid-inquiry/news-story/1bf4a182db28939ca18483d4d93837a8

  93. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 16, 2017 6:01 am

    Political motivation on a disgraceful scale. Guarantee will not happen to rural areas with white farmers in larger states who vote LNP.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aec-cuts-will-disempower-the-nt-labor-mp/news-story/982f213691b66145dc3fe71aa1de08d0

  94. July 16, 2017 8:14 pm

    Did everybody see the termite mound in hawaii that went up in smoke. Poor standards or not enforced. No fire sprinklers. The perfect groundwork for the taliban with a box of matches. #yaaay.boardrooms

    ++++

    Whether they are spouting `innovation` or `recalling` menzies, the teabags are nothing but a herd of destructive imbeciles. After decades of doing all they can to fcuk-up manufacturing and heavy industry, poodle is now mincing for a `military-industry` while others have been bleating for a `space-agency`. #clueless.cnuts

  95. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2017 9:43 am

    I wonder if our cricketers will be brought before justice hayDon?

    Australian cricket’s pay dispute is a wonderful ad for joining a union

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2017/jul/16/australian-crickets-pay-dispute-is-a-wonderful-ad-for-joining-a-union

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2017 10:33 am

    Just what the world (and Australia) needs – more weapons … we could export Poodles instead … to China and Bali?

    Christopher Pyne has committed not to export weapons “willy-nilly” if Australia followed through on his ambition to become a major arms exporter.

    “We simply wouldn’t do so willy-nilly. We have a particular process for that.”

    And we’ve seen how effective the government’s “processes” are!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/17/pyne-wants-australia-to-be-major-arms-dealer-but-vows-not-to-export-weapons-willy-nilly

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I wonder if our cricketers will be brought before justice hayDon?

    I bet more witnesses would go into bat for the cricketers!

  97. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2017 4:38 pm

    I bet more witnesses would go into bat for the cricketers!

    I see what you did there 😉

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2017 6:15 pm

    HOW MUCH!

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2017 6:23 pm

    TurnAbout is an even bigger FOOL than I had suspected! (Centre right, my arse!)

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/17/malcolm-turnbull-expected-to-promote-dutton-during-national-security-overhaul

    NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! A thousand times NO!

    Why are we seeing history repeated? The world has leaned so far to the right I’m surprised that we aren’t heading for the Sun … oh, wait!

    Short history lesson!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2017 6:24 pm

    I see what you did there 😉

    Cleverman! (Interesting TV! BTW)

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2017 12:38 am

    …Cleverman! (Interesting TV! BTW)…

    I’m loving that show TB!

    Matt Canavan got shot down on QandA I thought.

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2017 10:41 am

    Missed Q&A *, but read the article in The Guardian … I can’t see why people still support the government? (Although the Old Guard has disappeared from TGT) …

    * We’re watching a TV series thriller called “Shooter” … really good show – ex-marine sniper set up and accused of assassinating Ukraine President …

  103. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2017 1:10 pm

    but read the article in The Guardian

    As did I

    There is no transcript on the website, so maybe AO can decipher this for me?

    Terri Butler, the opposition frontbencher from Queensland, evaded a question from host Tony Jones about whether federal Labor opposed a mine state Labor supported, saying the “role of federal Labor in this project is to form a view” on whether a government loan was appropriate – and that it was not.

    So, did she there is no view yet, or “that it was not”?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/18/matt-canavan-exporting-adani-coal-does-not-affect-australias-emissions?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Why do ‘journalists’ feel the need to mangle the English language so badly when desribing a simple event?

  104. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2017 2:49 pm

    Cool, the transcript is up now

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4678266.htm

    TERRI BUTLER
    Tony, the role of federal Labor in relation to this project is to form a view about whether to support the federal money going into it. Bill’s been really clear. We don’t support federal money going into this mine. We don’t support taxpayers’ money going into this mine, whether it’s the rail line or the mine. And we don’t support a billion-dollar concessional loan from the NAIF going into this particular project. And I think Bill’s been clear about that. Jason Clare’s been clear about that.

    Seems pretty clear to me. yet to the churnalist, that is ‘evaded a question ‘??

    WOW!

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2017 3:29 pm

    Seems pretty clear to me. yet to the churnalist, that is ‘evaded a question ‘??

    WOW!

    Do journalists go to school? (Primary at least, surely!)

    Maybe its the teachers? … they have trouble with spelling and grammar too …

    (My Mum wanted me to be a journalist – obviously way out of my league – I understand most grammar and have a reasonable grasp of spelling!) …

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2017 5:07 pm

    …Seems pretty clear to me. yet to the churnalist, that is ‘evaded a question ‘??
    WOW!…

    IIRC, it was Tony Jones who wanted her to say whether Labor supported the mine, she wouldn’t answer yes or no, he was unhappy about that and asked it again, wanting a yes or no answer. The bit you pasted tomR was her answer to him, she didn’t really say.

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2017 5:31 pm

    IIRC? Whew – had to look that up in the UD …

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2017 5:38 pm

    The bit you pasted tomR was her answer to him, she didn’t really say.

    She didn’t actually say what the transcript says?

    I thought the transcript, TR, put up was self explanatory …

    We don’t support federal money going into this mine. We don’t support taxpayers’ money going into this mine, whether it’s the rail line or the mine. And we don’t support a billion-dollar concessional loan from the NAIF going into this particular project.

    Three “we DON’T support’s”?

    What did I miss … ?

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2017 5:58 pm

    …Three “we DON’T support’s”?
    What did I miss … ?

    She said they didn’t support taxpayer’s money funding it, but didn’t really answer the question asked – whether Labor supported the mine at all.

    Qld Labor wants the mine doesn’t it?

    The Ineligibles: What makes you have to leave Parliament?
    https://moadoph.gov.au/blog/the-ineligibles/

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2017 9:43 pm

    Ahh, I see, KL, yes, its always struck me as odd how the Palaszczuk Labor government, is so determined to see Adani go ahead … and Fed Labor isn’t …

  111. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2017 9:03 am

    She said they didn’t support taxpayer’s money funding it

    Which was the original question. She clarified that when she answered.

    It’s really not the Governments place to just ban a legal operation, is it. Let the market decise, and, that is Labors position.

    But, the questioning was all to do with a Government loan (except jones question to Butler)

    She clarified her answer, and answered it completely. If he had wanted to chase his poorly formed question down that avenue, he could have.

    On another topic, that is truly amazing about the Greens senators. Even more amazing, at least one is a lawyer.

    Sad to see them go though, as they are both very good performers.

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2017 10:29 am

    Sad to see them go though, as they are both very good performers.

    Exactly what I said last night …

    Along with … “they could call me up for NS in 1970/71 … yet I didn’t become an Australian Citizen till 1984!

    “And how can we have a Head of State who isn’t Australian?”

    (The Minister – a Viking by birth and by nature 🙂 – had to declare her “allegiance” to Australia – ie apply for citizenship before she turned 21 – in the early 70’s)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A big WELL DONE to JB Hi-Fi for deciding NOT to cut penalty rates for their staff!

    Credit where credit is due …!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Some Liberal pollie on the radio this morning saying that business donated equally to both major parties and the Liberals, “were not beholden to big or small businesses” … they were a “Menzian party” whatever the fk that means … maybe they should try being a party for Australians!

  113. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2017 11:14 am

    Some Liberal pollie on the radio this morning saying that business donated equally to both major parties

    Not sure if their equals equals others equals?

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2017 12:18 pm

    Foxtel’s $30m budget funding questioned after FOI reveals documents on sport deal ‘don’t exist’
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-19/foxtel-foi-request-30-million-sports-deal/8722656

    The new Department of Home Affairs is unnecessary and seems to be more about politics than reform
    https://theconversation.com/the-new-department-of-home-affairs-is-unnecessary-and-seems-to-be-more-about-politics-than-reform-81161

    ‘Submit to your husbands’: Women told to endure domestic violence in the name of God
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-18/domestic-violence-church-submit-to-husbands/8652028

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2017 12:50 pm

    Submit to your husbands’: Women told to endure domestic violence in the name of God
    .

    Research shows that the men most likely to abuse their wives are evangelical Christians who attend church sporadically

    The “research” sounds a bit light, methinks … although Catholics would only confess to another man (no female priests!) and not a questionnaire and Muslims would simply plead a lack of understanding and ignore the question anyway … perhaps atheists and agnostics are more tolerant …?? 🙂

    I recall telling people it wasn’t, The Minister, going through menopause (when she brought it up) … WE were going through menopause …

    Just sayin’ …

  116. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2017 12:52 pm

    Foxtel’s $30m budget funding questioned

    Holden’s would be interested methinks

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2017 2:07 pm

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2017 3:32 pm

    If Immigration, Border Force, AFP and ASIO all come under a Home Affairs Department … who will check on Immigration, Border Force, AFP and ASIO?

    Dopey Dutton?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Refugee and fracking activists a ‘bunch of cockroaches’, says Liberal pursuing Senate vacancy

    It sounds like a noice man … ??? Speaking of Herr Abetz …

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2017 6:07 pm

    CLICK ENERGY!

    I joined OneBigSwitch a couple of years ago and on their recommendation we switched to Click …

    They just bumped their Solar Tariffs up … not just for new customers – for ALL customers – we have gone from Retail 11cents to 15cents onto the grid … our son’s bill with AGL just dropped 2cents!!! On contract! Did I mention Click! Energy have no contracts?

    Provide the service and the $$$$s will folla!

  120. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 20, 2017 6:21 am

    What a bunch of Hypocrites. Slash the ABC while giving it to Foxtel. Plus refusing to release evidence of a cost benefit study.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/poorly-planned-foxtels-30-million-government-handout-questioned-20170719-gxebax.html

  121. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2017 9:00 am

    Slash the ABC while giving it to Foxtel

    The list of what they aren’t prepared to pay for is long, especially when you compare it to any good this may have (apart from positive coverage from murdor)

    Social Security
    Health
    Public Schools (which they have successfully shovelled off to the states, without any idea how they will pay for it)
    Manufacturing (Unions!)

    I could go on.

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2017 9:01 am

    Morning folks! 🙂

    Wow, don’t tell Andrew Bolt

    Philanthropy funds serious journalism in US. Why not here?
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/philanthropy-funds-serious-journalism-in-us-why-not-here/

    Flawed by design: why superannuation fails women
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/flawed-by-design-why-superannuation-fails-women-20170719-gxe7nj.html

    …Labor has a blind spot with women. In 1983 the newly elected Hawke government ratified the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women as it had to, but entered two reservations. It wouldn’t ratify the bit about employing women in combat roles, and it wouldn’t ratify the bit about guaranteeing women paid parental leave.

    That’s right. Australia put itself in the unlikely company of Swaziland, Lesotho, Papua New Guinea and the United States as being the only countries of any size not to ensure that women who had children got paid while on leave…

  123. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2017 9:01 am

  124. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2017 9:13 am

    not to ensure that women who had children got paid while on leave…

    Don’t we currently have a paid parental leave AO, despite the fights from the libs?

  125. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2017 9:26 am

    Flawed by design

    That truky is a cringeworthy article AO

    He slams every progress Labor has made, claiming ‘it’s just not far enough’ (ignoring the steps they made after, as they politically were able, and the fact that they are over 30 years ago), but then gushes over abbotts unfair and impossible red herring ppl, that he himself reneged on, like he’s the coming saviour.

    Sounds like a liberal toady to me, which peter martin often does btw.

    The fact that super is unfair is mainly due to policies pushed and forced on us by libs, that just make workplace conditions unfair for all, which results in it being unfairer for women, as that was the starting point.

    But yea, BlameLabor. friggin lightweight he is

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2017 9:42 am

    Jobs ‘black market’ underpaying vulnerable workers, audit finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/17/jobs-black-market-underpaying-vulnerable-workers-audit-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …“The figures themselves are far in excess of what we thought the problem was,” Morey said. “There is a business model in Australia where people think they can pay community rates rather than the legal rates in this country and it’s a real problem across the board.”

    Morey said foreign workers were often scared to speak out about being paid too little.

    “Some people are just fearful of coming forward to complain about employers for the ramifications that may occur from that, such as having their visa cancelled,” he said…

    …The worst industries for underpayment were hospitality and cleaning, according to the union…

    And no penalties either?

    Why aren’t ordinary Australians demanding this exploitation is stopped?
    I think we have too many bigoted and judgemental, neoliberal ideologues now, people just don’t care about others anymore, especially migrants and minorities. As long as they can shut themselves away in their secure mansions and negative gear their way to wealth, Australians just don’t give a damn.

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2017 10:02 am

    That truky is a cringeworthy article AO

    I knew that would provoke a response!

    But, women’s financial equality and security has certainly been ignored by both parties. IMO, there is still an attitude that women should be dependent on men. Why has it been such a struggle for Australian women in a country where the men pride themselves on being fair minded, egalitarians? [and need the female’s financial contributions in order to live well]

    How would men feel if women were equal to them in every aspect of their lives, if they couldn’t feel superior to them? Hardly bears thinking about!

    Male contributors here excepted of course!

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2017 10:36 am

    What a bunch of Hypocrites. Slash the ABC while giving it to Foxtel. Plus refusing to release evidence of a cost benefit study.

    And on top of that …

    The commercial free-to-air TV industry did not receive an equivalent gift but the government did abolish its licence fees in the May budget. The move, which saw broadcasting licence fees and datacasting charges abolished, will save them $130m and was welcomed by Nine, Ten and Seven.

    Fifield said licence fees were being abolished because they were from an era when television had a mass audience.

    “In today’s media environment, licence fees are a relic of a bygone age of regulation,” he said.

    $130 million giveaway to big business … $130 million that can’t be spent running the country … do these morons realise Australia has to be operated with all sources of income …

    This is like the Uber debacle … no licence fees? Why? When cabbies have/had to pay $thousands$ …

    Then the LNP burbles that the budget is in crisis and needs to be balanced … what fkn morons …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    $9! Where do I pay! Half of my pension but WGAF!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    I watched Four Corners last night … more disgusting Roman Catholic paedophile cover ups in the USA … and district attorneys thwarted by statutes of limitation … 69 priests named …

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/

  129. Tom R permalink
    July 20, 2017 10:45 am

    But, women’s financial equality and security has certainly been ignored by both parties.

    ?
    http://www.alp.org.au/delivering_equal_pay

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2017 12:23 pm

    Start fighting IR or prepare for the world according to Sally McManus
    http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/start-fighting-ir-or-prepare-for-the-world-according-to-sally-mcmanus-20170719-gxe5xv#ixzz4nKJ0SmCQ

  131. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 21, 2017 6:42 am

    When does the deception stop and honesty start. How on earth can we trust anything in relation to our political system anymore from any of them.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/more-than-13000-spent-on-member-registrations-in-bid-to-buy-the-liberal-party-20170720-gxf9jz.html

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    July 21, 2017 10:07 am

    I want to know if the Blogmeister is OK?

    sreb, come out, come out, wherever you are?

  133. shaneinqld permalink
    July 21, 2017 2:25 pm

    Me too TB hope he is ok.

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 22, 2017 9:02 am

    Uh oh!

  135. July 22, 2017 9:56 am

    I’m alive. Mostly over at twitter and the Guardian lately..

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2017 12:01 pm

    I’m alive. Mostly over at twitter and the Guardian lately..

    Alive is good!

    Mostly? Does that mean that you aren’t alive if your not on twitter or at the Guardian …? 🙂

    I think I’ve made four – maybe five comments at the Guardian … have you noticed no-one comments on news.com.au? Wonder why? (But not much)

    Trivia: Micardis is no longer on PBS – just like Zoton … … what a lovely grubmint, slowly chippin’ away … although it seems to be the whole Western World is crumbling … like all Empires I suppose …

    Putin must be pissin’ himself silly …

    Anyhoo, good to get a ghostly comment … 😈

  137. July 22, 2017 2:45 pm

    “Micardis is no longer on PBS ”

    NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO…….!!!!!!

  138. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2017 6:25 pm

    Does that mean that you aren’t alive if your not on twitter or at the Guardian …?

    Until someone retweets, he is neither dead OR alive 😉

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2017 8:53 pm

    NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO…….!!!!!!

    Won’t get that on twitter or Guardian, mate! 🙂

    I “think” generics are … this fkn mob is not only out to rob us blind but knock us off as quickly as they can …

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Until someone retweets, he is neither dead OR alive 😉

    Please explain? 😉

  140. July 22, 2017 9:14 pm

    Just finished watching Trainspotting 2. Surprisingly good movie. 4 stars from me.

  141. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2017 9:48 pm

    Please explain?

    What, you want (more) pictures? 🙂

    4 stars from me.

    Out of?

    My only question is, do the sheets get it again? If not, I’m not watching!

  142. July 23, 2017 8:42 am

    4 or out 5.

    Yes the sheets get it again, vomit this time.

    And there’s a terrific “”choose life”” soliloquy from Renton.

    *this comment may contain spoilers.

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2017 4:16 pm

    I confess I have never watched either Trainspotting film … a virgin in so many ways … ^^’

  144. Walrus permalink
    July 24, 2017 1:59 pm

    So I see the usual rabid lunatic Lefties are still hanging out here

  145. Walrus permalink
    July 24, 2017 4:18 pm

  146. Walrus permalink
    July 24, 2017 4:19 pm

    This joint’s deserted LOL

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2017 5:36 pm

    We’re all struggling to stay alive … under the worst Tory government this country has ever seen …

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2017 7:27 pm

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2017 7:29 pm

    Not deserted … just sharpening the blades and greasing the tumbrils … the end is nigh … 😡

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2017 7:43 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/24/warren-entsch-shoots-down-duttons-postal-plebiscite-on-marriage-equality

    YES! A plebiscite has no worth whatever … and this is an equal right s issue … guess which side of politics is against EQUAL rights? Equal ANYTHING!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oddly enough Gillian Triggs has never “inspired” me but I think she nailed this one concerning Dopey Dutton! And Malfunction Tremble!

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2017 7:43 pm

    Ooops! Not often I get excited these days … just kidding …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/24/gillian-triggs-warns-duttons-super-ministry-endangers-separation-of-powers

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2017 9:22 pm

    Speaking of inequality (ie greed) destroying our country … watch Four Corners!

    Sickening stuff!

  153. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 25, 2017 5:49 am

    I never saw Four Corners TB will have to try and catch up when I get back from western NSW. That’s the problem when visiting your mother. She has the remote control :).

  154. shaneinqld permalink
    July 25, 2017 5:53 am

    Having a Plebiscite on any terms and in any way is simply a waste of money, as it is Non Binding so why the hell does the LNP claim the ALP and Greens are denying the people their say. The way to have a say is a Referendum where it is a binding vote of the will of the people, not a Plebiscite poll that can be ignored by the likes of Abetz, based on their religious convictions and not their supposed secular requirements under the law of the land.

  155. shaneinqld permalink
    July 25, 2017 6:00 am

    Morrison caught out again telling lies. The last 4 paragraphs reveal this.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-rejects-labor-claims-of-worsening-inequality-as-bill-shorten-plans-tax-overhaul-20170724-gxhf7r.html

    The 4th last paragraph reads.

    “Inequality is staring over the fence and noticing another guy has a jet ski and you don’t have one,” Dr Laming said.

    Dr Laming that is Envy not Inequality you twit, there is a real difference that your side of the political ledger seems to ignore and use Envy to belittle those that seek a fairer equality for all.

  156. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2017 6:43 am

    I never saw Four Corners TB will have to try and catch up when I get back from western NSW.

    Worth doing

    And xenophony has his grubs all over it too.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nick-xenophon-water-backdown-clears-the-way-to-abcc-win-for-turnbull-20161129-gt03s0.html

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2017 9:49 am

    Dr Laming that is Envy not Inequality you twit, there is a real difference that your side of the political ledger seems to ignore and use Envy to belittle those that seek a fairer equality for all.

    Absolutely, shane! Well put … I see Laming is a medical doctor by trade,

    Profession – Ophthalmic surgeon ((re-registration denied in 2013)

    … who oddly worked as a management consultant? He’s also an dog botherer … Anglican Church Grammar School … and had enough time and money to go to:

    University of Queensland;
    University of Sydney;
    Harvard University;
    Charles Darwin University

    He’d certainly have a real handle on equality!* In all his travels and adventures he doesn’t seem to have learned much at all!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Laming

    And we pay these fools how much!

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2017 9:54 am

    TR, The Minister had to tell me to stop ranting at the TV more than once!

    The FC show epitomises the greed being perpetrated by politicians in the name of capitalist, “free” market!

    Democracy is bought and sold like any other commodity!

    Actually ANYTHING is bought and sold in the rotting Uber Kapitalism we struggle in today … the Elites are like a virus destroying a lifestyle ALL Australians should have a share in …

    … it seems democratic socialism really needs a big boost from somewhere – I hope Bill Shorten has a Manifesto soon!

  159. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2017 11:56 am

    Takes some pretty big balls to put out some revisionist crap like this

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2017 1:52 pm

    TR, paywall on the twitter link … this is the article and more importantly – the comments!

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/stuck-in-the-nbn-slow-lane/news-story/540ff6a0d059cb318ad025f5d856f30c

    The comments would be hilarious if it wasn’t so fkn serious!

    And the ignorance and right wing “reasoning” is straight out of neel’s playbook …

    And of course don’t forget the personal attacks on the author (a professor n less)

    And NO alternative solutions …

    When do WE say “told ya so”?

    Pathetic Tory iggorance on show.

  161. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 25, 2017 2:11 pm

    TB Paywall on your link as well and I refuse to pay for Murcdochs next putrid campaign to save Turnbull in a few years.

  162. shaneinqld permalink
    July 25, 2017 2:14 pm

    Yes TB the rabid right always use envy as a terrible trait against anyone who believes in a more equitable society. I do know that if there for some reason happens to really be a God so many of these arseholes will be burning in the fires of hell for all eternity when they face judgement and how they treated their fellow man. Sad part is it is all fairytales and deep down they know it. That’s why they act the way they do.

  163. shaneinqld permalink
    July 25, 2017 2:30 pm

    Tom R

    The hypocrisy of the Australian is breathtaking, however they have probably come to realise that as they flood sites with adds containing video and sound they are using up and fucking peoples allowances on the internet and only regret what they have done because it limits their revenue for greed. I cannot afford to be on heaps of websites when my wifi allowance is 8G and if I want more it costs a fortune. I swear over 6G is used with bloody ,moving and sound adds that are prevalent everywhere.

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2017 5:40 pm

    TB Paywall on your link as well and I refuse to pay for Murcdochs next putrid campaign to save Turnbull in a few years.

    Shane, Google – “Australia could have had a world-leading broadband network.
    We blew it.”

    https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=Australia+could+have+had+a+world-leading+broadband+network.&spf=1500968235463

    That’s why they act the way they do.

    Yep … just a smokescreen for cheating, lying, stealing, deceit and deception … oh, and manipulation – they take great delight in “winning” … as an agnostic I would take great delight in meeting some of the bastards and bitches at the pearly gates … if they exist … 🙂

    Oddly enough The Minister and in fact all our family follow the basics of the 10 Commandments from the bible … pity our “believer” family, friends and acquaintances DON”T!

    … realise that as they flood sites with adds containing video and sound they are using up and fucking peoples allowances on the internet and only regret what they have done because it limits their revenue for greed.

    LOL! NOW! Told ya so!

    So many chickens so many roosts … the LNP Tories should open a chook farm … no-one would be able to afford them …

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2017 5:42 pm

    Shane, click Trump X

  166. shaneinqld permalink
    July 25, 2017 7:45 pm

    TB

    What do you mean click Trump X

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2017 9:51 pm

    Shane, when the Subscription window comes up just click the X (ie close it) – it has Trump’s ugly mug on it …

  168. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 25, 2017 11:42 pm

  169. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2017 6:00 am

    Mummy’s fault

    Citizenship is one thing, wait until he finds out she got him a sex change at the same time without telling him

  170. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 26, 2017 6:03 am

    AO

    Really interesting details of when Canavan and his mum became Italian citizens. As for the different response from the Government when it is one of its own, shows just how despicable the current Government is and the cling to power at all costs while trying to crucify anyone else for doing the same thing.

    Greens respect level up 2
    LNP down 1

  171. shaneinqld permalink
    July 26, 2017 6:06 am

    TB

    Thanks for the heads up. I read the article, but was amazed once again how the Australian censors the responses so there are none blaming Murdoch or the LNP for the fiasco. Just ones that blame the ALP. Manipulation of the media in a most pathetic way. Problem is rural people think that because there are 20 letters for and 1 against that this is the way the public feel, not that the publisher has manipulated the number of responses they print to suit their own agenda.

  172. shaneinqld permalink
    July 26, 2017 6:39 am

    Trump has created the biggest disaster for his Presidency yet. When you involve peoples kids there will be anger.
    The comments on every posting about anything on the Boy Scout Facebook is about parents taking out their children and donations drying up.
    I was amazed reading them. Having the scouts Boo president Obama really was the final straw. Some of the comments compare it to Hitler youth and that’s exactly what it seemed like.
    How the Scouts Movement recovers from this will be interesting. They have still not apologised for politicising the movement yet every second comment demands that they do this. Silence will not absolve them that’s for sure.

    https://www.facebook.com/theboyscoutsofamerica/

  173. shaneinqld permalink
    July 26, 2017 6:41 am

    I notice our previous accountant has posted a video of what is between his ears !!!

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 9:41 am

    Citizenship is one thing, wait until he finds out she got him a sex change at the same time without telling him

    Mummy’s Boy? Was my response last night!

    How much do we pay these morons! They can’t even run their own lives – let alone Australia …

    Liberals – always blame someone else …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I notice our previous accountant has posted a video of what is between his ears !!!

    Chuckle …

  175. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2017 9:44 am

    Was my response last night!

    Mummy’s …

    I notice our previous accountant

    who ❓

  176. Walrus permalink
    July 26, 2017 9:52 am

    Oh how hilarious Shane…………..you are so quick witted having taken only around 36 hours to dream that original gem up. I bet you had to go somewhere to get inspiration for something as quick witted as that. I thought with your simple intellect it would take at least 48 hours

    Actually it just kinda proves what a light weight upstairs you actually are. Not to mention that promise you made months ago to not even comment on my posts anymore.

    But you being a complete airhead obviously cant even remember that now. You cant even keep promises to yourself. ROFLMAO at you

    You are a joke.

    I cant believe they let such fools like you who struggle with the basics of accounting and taxation anywhere near the finance industry.

    In a professional sense you are an illustration of the disgrace that is financial regulation within this nation.

  177. Walrus permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:07 am

    Shane does not read my posts so this should not confuse anyone else on here

    From the Oz.

    And I agree with this new policy

    “The federal government has launched a war on aggressive negative gearing strategies to depreciate the value of second-hand household items to save on tax, including air-conditioners, ovens, carpets and pool equipment.

    Draft legislation released by the federal Treasury for the first time reveals in detail sweeping proposed changes to rules on ­deductions for “plant and equipment” in residential premises, typically used by landlords to limit their tax bills.

    The draft bill, proposed to apply retrospectively from the start of this month, notes what it calls “integrity concerns” with how household items have been allowed to be valued under previous law. The Australian understands Scott Morrison is concerned that buyers of rental houses and units have effectively been reallocating a significant part of the value of the properties into household goods, which can then be easily written off for tax.

    Treasury has estimated this costs the budget bottom line up to $260 million over the budget’s four-year cycle.

    A growing proportion of sale contracts for rental premises in recent years has included a breakdown into two parts of properties’ values: the non-depreciable value of land and buildings, and household items that potentially can be depreciated for negative gearing.

    BDO senior tax partner Tony Sloan said yesterday: “By including this breakdown in sale contracts, incoming landlords have until now been able to justify an inflated tax deduction for many household items…………….”

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:14 am

    Really interesting details of when Canavan and his mum became Italian citizens.

    yeah, ready for a quick getaway maybe? I’m sure if a labor pollie had that story in their background, we’d know all about it from the oz warriors.

    As for the different response from the Government when it is one of its own,

    yeah, funny that, I expect nothing less from LNP. Abetz was in the senate for a decade or more when he was a dual national and got away with it.

    I was just reading about the possibility of a number of italian dual citizen pollies the day before this came out

    Eric Abetz vs Scott Ludlam and Larissa Waters: Why the s44 double standard?
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/eric-abetz-the-greens-and-s44-why-the-double-standard,10519

    …Similarly, ex-PM Tony Abbott was tardy in proving he revoked his British citizenship — a matter which remains contentious…

    …One thing is for sure, though: s44 is likely to claim more victims before this act in Australian politics is played out. Some, like Waters and Ludlam will resign honourably, while some will do everything in their power to save their political skins — and some, like Eric Abetz, may even somehow succeed…

    …Tony Magrathea • 6 days ago
    And then there’s the Italian job. Italian citizenship is automatic if your parent is Italian. A lot of MPs are impacted by this. http://www.esteri.it/mae/en… How many are in Canberra talking to Pier Francsco (ambassador) di Natale,Albanese,fierravanti-wells,bernardi,vasta,ciobo… all need to show confirmation they renounced…

    Malcolm Roberts’ s44 conundrum: The Rajiv Gandhi connection
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/malcolm-roberts-s44-conundrum-the-rajiv-ghandi-connection,10523

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:14 am

    Mummy’s … ???? I see you’re getting at … what gender is he/she now?

    “The Italian authorities have ­confirmed that the application for Italian citizenship was not signed by me … I have not received any correspondence from Italian authorities about my citizenship status and they have not been able to provide any such records.

    “In the short time, available I have not been able to obtain definitive legal advice as to whether my registration as an Italian citizen, without my knowledge or consent, was valid under Italian law.

    https://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/the_meeting_place/post/matt-canavan-sends-coalition-into-a-spin

    ++++++++++++++++++

    who ❓

    CPA … 🙂

    Oh how hilarious Shane…………..you are so quick witted having taken only around 36 hours to dream that original gem up.

    Took you a coupla months … So I see the usual rabid lunatic Lefties are still hanging out here … people in glass houses … 😛

  180. Walrus permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:16 am

    “Took you a coupla months … ”

    Been swanning around in Europe and the UK. It is Summer over there ya might realise

  181. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:20 am

    No, looks like the media are going to be very sympathetic to canavan

    from the article in the smh story [tweeted below]

    …The Deputy Prime Minister denied Senator Canavan’s mother applied for Italian citizenship on his behalf at the same time as his father was sentenced to seven years’ jail for fraud.

    Bryan Michael Canavan was sentenced to more than seven years’ jail in 2007 for embezzling almost $1.6 million from food giant Nestle Australia.

    Canavan and other man, Phillip Michael Gardiner, pleaded guilty to two counts of fraud which took place between January 2001 and May 2004.

    “I don’t particularly want to go into the details of that,” Mr Joyce said. “What that can show you is the incredible character of a person such as Matthew Canavan, that he is, you know, in tougher times he has come through as an exemplary character and exemplary person.”…

    …Greens leader Richard Di Natale on Wednesday called on Senator Canavan to resign.

    “The advice we received is that ignorance is no excuse,” Senator Di Natale said.

    “If he is a dual national he is ineligible to stand. I have sympathy for Senator Canavan but our job is to uphold the law. If we don’t, what example are we setting for the community?”…

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:27 am

    “The federal government has launched a war on aggressive negative gearing strategies to depreciate the value of second-hand household items to save on tax, including air-conditioners, ovens, carpets and pool equipment.

    I’d prefer this headline … The Federal Government Has Repealed All Negative Gearing Tax Deductions …

    Gearing should be Positive not Negative … why should taxpayers support any investors … when they struggle to house themselves … first home residents (or owner/residents) should be the only people to get a tax break on a mortgage as in Canada …

    A home is not a asset … when it becomes an asset then the gearing costs should be worn by the investor …

    In this Uber Kapitalist society nothing is safe from the “Market” not even WATER it seems …

    The very things people need to survive are being priced to poverty levels … the system is broke and need fixin’ … the many are not simply here to please the few!

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:33 am

    If Canavan gets away with this then the Waters and Ludlum should too … in fact their’s is a more reasonable case – they were actually children … Canavan by all accounts was 26!

    How come we have a Head of State who isn’t Australian?

  184. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:46 am

    sums it all up

  185. Walrus permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:52 am

    “…….in fact their’s is a more reasonable case – they were actually children …”

    They were aware they were born in a foreign country. That should have piqued their interest especially since Ludlam was questioned about it 3 years ago and did not respond.

    Carnavan was not born in Italy and neither was his mother by all accounts.

    I have some sympathy for both Waters and Carnavan.

    I have none for Ludlam

  186. Walrus permalink
    July 26, 2017 10:52 am

    “Ludlum”

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 26, 2017 11:01 am

    Canavan’s father was an accountant.

    https://tonymagrathea.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/postscript-to-end-is-nigh.html#comment-form

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 26, 2017 12:47 pm

    Canavan’s caravan of confusion should have hit the road
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/07/26/canavans-caravan-of-confusion-should-have-hit-the-road/

    [sorry, I’ve copied a fair bit as it’s $walled]

    …so it’s fair that, instead of resigning, the High Court should consider his position. It’s more of the charmed media life that Canavan seems to lead. His extremism on coal (he called for a boycott of Westpac for not wasting enough shareholders’ money on unviable coal projects) and on abortion (he stood up for the rights of those nutjobs who harass women outside reproductive health clinics) rarely seem to get mentioned in media coverage. Instead, Canavan is portrayed as an energetic rising star of the LNP. And now, here he is, a victim of his mother’s application for Italian citizenship — he didn’t even know and he’s never even been there. Surely it’s just a minor hurdle in his ever-upward career trajectory? Not like those sloppy Greens senators.

    In fact, Canavan’s case compares poorly with those of Ludlam and Waters. They, too, didn’t know they were citizens of New Zealand and Canada, respectively, courtesy of their parents. Ludlam at least was a kid when he was brought by his family to live in Australia, where he was naturalised as an Australian. He can remember being in New Zealand. Waters was a baby, the child of Australians temporarily in Canada who moved back home soon after. Waters acquired Canadian citizenship like you’d pick up a cold while travelling. Indeed, the relevant Canadian laws were changed just after her birth — as the law stood when she was born, she wouldn’t have been a Canadian, but the new law was retroactive.

    Canavan, however, can’t blame being a baby or a kid. He was an adult, in his 20s , when in circumstances that are difficult to quite work out, his mother acquired Italian citizenship — possibly something to do with Canavan’s father pleading guilty to a major theft — and in doing so, somehow, acquired it for him as well…

    Gillian Triggs: Australian government ‘ideologically opposed to human rights’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/26/gillian-triggs-australian-government-ideologically-opposed-to-human-rights?CMP=share_btn_tw

  189. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 26, 2017 1:54 pm

    AO

    Be interesting to see what unfolds with Tony Abbott.

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 2:17 pm

    I have never “rescinded” my UK birthright I never sought to … I’m a proud Australian, have an Aussie passport and served in the ADF – before I became an Australian citizen?

    Weird? Wonder if I’m entitled to compensation for being pressganged by the Australian Federal Government … ??? Mmmmm …

  191. Walrus permalink
    July 26, 2017 4:41 pm

    “Wonder if I’m entitled to compensation for being pressganged by the Australian Federal Government…”

    Another “Stolen Generation” I’m sure

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 5:58 pm

    I was lost but now am found …. 🙂 I think .. :/

  193. July 26, 2017 6:05 pm

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 6:09 pm

    Australia’s banks have nothing to hide from a royal commission but fear it would “seriously damage” their global reputation and hurt their customers, according to former Labor premier Anna Bligh.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/26/banks-fear-serious-damage-to-reputation-from-royal-commission-anna-bligh-says

    Ahhh … like the TURC? Now I understand why The Mad Abbott got Acolyte Haydon a job … FMD!* And why the Malfunction Tremble constantly brings up union association as if that’s a bad thing … even Farnham Walrus is in a union FFS! And they could do with a RC alongside the banks … (where did the word bank come from anyway?)

    * (sarc alert)

    Nothing to hide – “seriously damage” … oxymoron or what …

    Anna BLie … as we all know in Queensland … I’m still trying to figure out the “hidden agenda” with her Labor predecessor and Adani? ‘Cause the majority of Queenslanders aren’t keen at all!

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 6:13 pm

    Christ, sreb, I’ve never in my life had goosebumps ALL over my body – that clip is … bugger … speechless …

  196. July 26, 2017 6:33 pm

    All the more poignant with his passing, TB.

  197. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 26, 2017 6:34 pm

    reb

    I had forgotten how beautiful Gurrumul sings Amazing Grace, my favourite rendition ever. Thanks for reminding me.

  198. July 26, 2017 6:40 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  199. July 26, 2017 6:41 pm

    No worries, Shane…

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2017 7:53 pm

    All the more poignant with his passing, TB.

    46 I read this am but no mention of cause? Sad dai …

  201. shaneinqld permalink
    July 26, 2017 8:08 pm

    No wonder so many have lost respect for the courts when a Magistrate does this.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/obscenities-fly-as-man-calls-magistrate-c-tells-police-sit-down-dickhead-20170726-gxiw1d.html

  202. shaneinqld permalink
    July 26, 2017 8:10 pm

    TB

    The news said due to illnesses from childhood and failing kidneys. Such a tragic loss of a man with an angelic voice. We should have heard much more of him.

  203. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2017 6:11 am

    Canavan, however, can’t blame being a baby or a kid. He was an adult

    and ………..

  204. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 27, 2017 10:37 am

    Gurrumul was much too young to die and is another example of aboriginal health needs not being met. Lovely clip with paul kelly who is no stranger to aboriginal communities, I saw him at the katherine hotel 25 odd years ago! So sad and so preventable, I think it was kidney disease wasn’t it? He should have lived a much longer life and would have had he not been aboriginal and living in a remote community. An ethereal voice, now silenced.

    I knew there was a reason I liked jay weatherill

    …Labor has not announced its policy, but at the last election Labor did not promise a full return to the model that was running before 2013 because of all the disruption it would cause to construction contracts and getting people connected. So saying Labor’s version would be more expensive and slower is entirely hypothetical and like Malcolm Turnbull saying he could finish the roll-out of his version of the NBN by 2016.

    At some point, a government is going to have to bite the bullet and decide: is the NBN a nation-building piece of infrastructure that should be on budget, or is it merely an asset to get done as quickly as possible and then flog off to cover the costs?

    Unfortunately, while all this goes on, Australian broadband users are the losers…

  205. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 27, 2017 11:41 am

    Someone needs to give this woman a medal! Courage under fire and has shown more spunk and intelligence with truth to power than anyone else in this country.

    WOW, that’s a complete turnaround!

  206. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2017 12:47 pm

    @chriskkenny a Right Wing Fuckwit

    I still can’t think of a better descriptive term for him.

  207. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2017 12:57 pm

    lol

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2017 2:35 pm

    It is starting to look less like Canavan was unaware he was Italian and more like fraud.

    Why would you say you had dual citizenship if you didn’t or didn’t know? Is there a hidden agenda here?

    Or if he’s just a dumbfk why did he hold a Federal Government Ministry?

    HOW MUCH do we pay these “people”?

  209. July 27, 2017 4:02 pm

    Apparently you can’t apply for citizenship or a passport on someone else’s behalf which kind of blows a gaping hole in Caravan’s defence.

  210. July 27, 2017 4:04 pm

    Exhibit B your honour:

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  211. July 27, 2017 4:06 pm

    //platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  212. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 27, 2017 4:36 pm

    You beat me reb.

    Looks like many of them are rotting carcasses trying to stay in there for the money. That goes for all of them. Every politician needs to provide evidence, if not quit. A Stat Dec is not enough. Even out here in western NSW my friends that are rabid LNP voters think Canavan should go. So even they see the stench and hypocrisy.

  213. shaneinqld permalink
    July 27, 2017 4:40 pm

    Roll on next Poll. Wonder what it will show after NSW Govt water fiasco and dual citizenship debacle. Along with Inequality rising and corruption being rife.

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2017 5:38 pm

    ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

    Lying, hypocritical pricks all!

    Bring on the tumbrils! And the guillotines*! Vive la Freedom!

    *gee – a – teens … OK?

    Seems we’ve got another example of a Lying Nitwit Person … LNP! 10 years voting rights! FMD … I can’t vote in Pommieland and I was born there!

    My kids and my grandkids were brought up to tell the truth … ’cause eventually the truth with come out!

    What sort of parents bring these lying, cheating, deceitful robbers up? Answer: Religious fkn zealots!

    So, sick of the bastards!

    Rant to be continued! ~

  215. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2017 6:27 pm

    Rant to be continued!

    On tender hooks here 😉

  216. July 27, 2017 6:33 pm

    I’m waiting on the edge of my seat..

  217. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2017 6:37 pm

    lol

    I’m full up to pussy’s bow with frustration and despair. Here are just a few of the things that have got me riled this week alone

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/27/it-is-infuriating-and-exhausting-to-be-this-angry-i-blame-my-mum?CMP=share_btn_tw

  218. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2017 6:45 pm

    I’m waiting on the edge of my seat.

    Sorry, didn’t realise it was you

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2017 7:19 pm

    Clickbait! 🙂

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2017 7:20 pm

    Tender hooks? LOL!

  221. July 27, 2017 9:17 pm

    For tB..

  222. Gigalitres permalink
    July 27, 2017 10:41 pm

    (Try RAGE!

    Very trying.)

  223. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 28, 2017 8:30 am

    Update, Facebook must nearly be in meltdown with the number of comments on their website.

    Trump will be responsible for the demise of the BSA. Looks like there is money involved as well with AT&T and the BSA CEO.

    Still good to see they have finally relented and are allowing all comments rather than doing a News Corp with selective posting.

    https://www.facebook.com/theboyscoutsofamerica/

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 28, 2017 8:33 am

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2017 10:32 am

    So we have no “empirical evidence” that he was not a British citizen when he was elected?

    But insists HE believed he was not British … but, but that’s not empirical evidence, Malcolm – its made up shyte – like most of his waffle …

    One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts has attempted to clarify his citizenship status after a spokesman reportedly said he was “choosing to believe he was never British” .

    I love it when politicians own BS bites ’em on the arse!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/27/one-nation-malcolm-roberts-choosing-to-believe-he-was-never-british

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    For tB..

    “Disabled by the owner” LOL!

  226. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 28, 2017 11:06 am

    I love it when politicians own BS bites ’em on the arse!

    He’s no politician, he’s like the IPA reps, tim wison & james patterson, they all represent big business interests.
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/how-an-extreme-form-of-climate-science-denial-has-found-a-home-in-australias-senate-89147/

  227. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2017 12:13 pm

    ******************SMH BREAKING NEWS***************************

    Pauline Hanson renames her Party as “Two Nations”

  228. shaneinqld permalink
    July 28, 2017 3:14 pm

    I am also watching with interest the outcome of the Senate vote in the USA over Their Affordable Care Act and the attempt to repeal it.

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 28, 2017 3:15 pm

    Wage fraud will continue until politicians stop it. They can – but will they?
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/27/wage-will-continue-until-politicians-stop-it-they-can-but-will-they

  230. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2017 3:35 pm

    Pauline Hanson renames her Party as “Two Nations”

    With her sister going in, perhaps it should be ‘two heads’?

  231. shaneinqld permalink
    July 28, 2017 3:36 pm

    Repeal of Obamacare fails. Trump will have a heart attack !!!!

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2017 6:06 pm

    Woah! McCain kills the ObamaCare repeal! Scaramouche shows the real reason The Dump engaged him … and Oz Parliament is about to crumble …

    We live in interesting times … stretch the population sooooo far and something always snaps … the RWNJ always create the world they fear the most … self fulfilling prophecies are always the best! LOL!

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2017 6:18 pm

    O-kay. British officials confirmed Malcolm Roberts renounced his citizenship only on December 5 – after July 2 election

    Roberts will need “empirical evidence” of that! … chuckle!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Trump will have a heart attack !!!!

    But HE won’t need ObamaCare … I do not want Australia swamped with the awful USA version of democracy and Uber Kapitalism!

    Ban all mobile phones!*

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2017 7:11 pm

    Not so funny now … tbagz!

    Mr Robinson said it was hard to know what effect the chaos in the White House will have on America’s relations with Australia.

    However a top former top US Federal Reserve economist has warned Australian households and businesses are directly suffering the consequences of growing economic policymaking dysfunction in Mr Trump’s Washington.

    Vincent Reinhart told Fairfax the dysfunction pushed the dollar through 80 US cents for the first time in two years, which in turn made life difficult for America’s trading partners including Australia.

    Chief economist for ABC Bullion Jordan Eliseo told news.com.au the ramifications went even further.

    “The political shenanigans in Washington are a negative for the US dollar, as well as for confidence about global growth,” he said.

    “For Australia, the recent strong rally in the AUD complicates matters for the RBA, who would prefer the currency to head lower.

    “Despite their justifiable concerns about house prices and household debt, they will inevitably end up cutting interest rates further to support domestic growth rates and inflation levels.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-anthony-scaramuccis-rant-sends-white-house-into-civil-war/news-story/438299a82f0862df1cd7d5a1c65ec263

  235. July 28, 2017 7:24 pm

    ******************SMH BREAKING NEWS***************************

    Pauline Hanson renames her Party as “One Family”

  236. July 28, 2017 7:26 pm

    Is anyone else watching The Handmaid’s Tale…?

    It’s gripping TV and very fkn disturbing. The best thing to grace our screens in years!

  237. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 28, 2017 7:58 pm

    Is it on free to air reb ?

  238. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2017 8:08 am

    Is it on free to air reb ?

    It’s on SBS on demand Shane. I’ve watched about the first seven episodes. It’s not bad, but not sure I’d call it ‘gripping’. Disturbing, for sure.

    THIS is gripping 🙂

    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/07/28/16/42/xenophon-party-under-states-funding-aec?ocid=Social-9News

    THIS is disturbing (especially after ignoring abbott for years, and calling people ‘Birthers’ for wanting to know)

  239. July 29, 2017 9:52 am

    So now ___they`re resorting to not just spinning today`s news, but faking up the future. It`s low, it`s desperate, it`s tawdry and it has absolutely nothing to do with journalism or the truth___

    http://failedestate.com/?p=1434

    # ,, Good to see mr-D getting `back` on track (-: Team-cheerer will like.

    ++++

    __economist has warned Australian households and businesses are directly suffering the consequences of growing economic policymaking dysfunction in Mr Trumps__

    # ,, usual utter dribble coming out of limited-news teebz. Not trump, not korea, not anything else, our clowntown zombies are strangling our economy, our confidence, to death from the bottom. Junk-jobs equals junk-confidence, junk-consumption, and no sight of hitting bottom either. Then add in all the liabilitys on treasury that are part of the package.

    ++++

    Not so funny now .. tbagz!

    # ,, wrong, everything is still a fcuking riot (-: whether it is old clown-hair replacing spicer with the-mooch, or 33% preventing talkbull pushing him over the line by strapping himself to the repug-anchor (-: (-: (-:

    ++++

    Agree shane, da-greenz were ethical by admitting and quitting promptly when finding their 2nd citizenship. No surprise the teabumpkin or one-nation teabag weren`t.

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 29, 2017 10:30 am

    Is anyone else watching The Handmaid’s Tale…?

    Yeah, I binge watch when i can on SBS demand, makes me think a lot about society and men vs women
    Also watched Cardinal which i thought a bit gruesome.

  241. July 29, 2017 11:14 am

    blubbering,,,And I agree with this new policy,,,

    # ,, Well done idiot! All that shows is what a mindless buffoon you are! When l or others here said they need to slam-shut some of the loopholes; you always blubbered against it. Now that limited-news is spouting it; you agree! #dumbfcuk

    ++++

    t-c,,,Don`t we currently have a paid parental leave AO,,,

    # ,, that utterly depends on who `we` is team-cheerer.

    # ,, lf `we` is the high-flying career-girls in govt, boardrooms, university faculty, talking-head media; that already have excessive cash and vacation time lavished upon them. l`m sure `we` do.

    # ,, lf `we` is checkout chicks and other junk-jobs, without holiday-pay and working-poor pay-rates. l`m sure `we` do not. Despite all the `feminista-washing` that is in full swing at the moment. #childcare.ditto

  242. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 29, 2017 12:16 pm

    I will vote for the Greens policy on neg gearing, labor under shorten is [again] too namby pamby about their changes, not wanting to spook investors or offer up change from their neoliberal ideology. The vote on becoming a republic is nothing really, it seems fake progressivism to me, while remaining very fixed in the centre right of politics.

    $51 billion budget bonus in Greens plan to curb negative gearing
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/51-billion-budget-bonus-in-greens-plan-to-curb-negative-gearing-20170728-gxkrz4.html

  243. July 29, 2017 1:22 pm

    l`ve always thought the greenz pro-repug stance has cost them a lot of votes/seats armchair. lt is a shame the greenz have retained this dud ideal when the science AND the economics has lined-up so spectacularly with the greenz `enviro` side of things. Had they dumped their repug frightener; they would really be eating blib`s lunch today. (-:

  244. July 29, 2017 2:21 pm

    The greenz neg-gearing idea might help `some` armchair, but not the `many` as junk-jobs still won`t pay-off the homeloan or even the rent. Take a look at the current situation. Checkout chicks have been chucked out of work due to `auto-self` checkouts. When they signup for `dole` they now become work-for dole-slaves to get their lousy 265/week; while retailer gets free worker plus 1000/cash. Govt has now destroyed this job-market too, as retailer will just keep getting free workers plus cash; and never create job/s. The greenz plan won`t get past this.

    (and notice the feminista minister `and` feminista talking-heads are silent here too)

    Prediction, the feminista talking-heads peddling `childcare` for career-girls will end-up having their kids left with work-for dole-slaves too

  245. July 29, 2017 2:55 pm

    stretch __the population sooooo far and something always snaps .. the RWNJ always create the world they fear the most__#agree

    self __fulfilling prophecies are always the best__

    Bring __on the tumbrils! And the guillotines__

    # ,, those days are long-gone, cold-war trainy trainys should understand that; yes the kiddies will need to rise-up one day, and; when the kiddies overwhelm the plod, the braindead adf will give the kiddies the business-end of their latest and greatest war-toys to defend the tyrants.

  246. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2017 3:46 pm

    I see someone left the door to the kindie open again.

    The vote on becoming a republic is nothing really

    Yes, and it risks doing exactly what it has seem to have done, taking the attention away from their economic argument.

    I agree with the aim of the Greens plan AO, but, housing is balanced on a (currently taxpayer subsidised) investor scheme. You can’t just pull the legs out from underneath it. It takes time, else you risk a crash. That is always my issue with the Greens, they are all or nothing (except when they can under cut Labor it seems, and end up with a raw deal eg Gonski)

    jeez the lolstrayan is pathetic

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2017 4:35 pm

    Is anyone else watching The Handmaid’s Tale…?

    Nah, gave up after episode three … the Yanks seem to have discovered sex is OK on TV and now marry* it with as much violence as you can stomach … voyeurism at its worst!

    * deliberate …

    Just finished Season 1 of “Colony” … start Season 2 tonight … I’m about to check out “Falling Water” and “Taboo”, too … and keeping an eye out for the next Season of “The 100” …

    I can also recommend “SSGB” … great series …

    l`ve always thought the greenz pro-repug stance has cost them a lot of votes/seats armchair.

    Ironic that The Firm all have British citizenship and our pollies have to be Tru Blue?

    And I hope you’ll all feel comfortable paying for Charlies next free holiday later this year … we’ve had a few “visits” lately as The Firm gears up for a right royal performance of – The Queen is Dead Long Live The King! And the next generations gear up for a hard slog raking it in, showing their teeth and pressing the flesh – all the while telling the peasants how hard their lives are!

    Surely a “royal” head of state for Australia in 2017 is farcical?

  248. July 29, 2017 5:03 pm

    T-C___doing exactly what it has seem to have done, taking the attention away from their economic argument__

    # ,, lts a fine display of lacking judgment. Did you notice team-cheerer; it was all done under blibs own steam, no aid from the zombies. l saw blib blathering at the team-meeting on my abc24, so underwhelming.

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 29, 2017 5:04 pm

    He’s a disgusting hack that Chris Kenny, just a hired gun to make any attack on progressive thinking people.

    Yes, I didn’t like the greens doing deals with the enemy, I can’t see how they could agree on anything at all.

    I don’t think I’m a fan of the way DiNatale wants to take the greens which appears to be working in with libs. I’m hopeful they will push labor more to the left though, we so desperately need some progressive policies and plans in this country. Just give people something to vote for, for gods sake!

  250. July 29, 2017 5:36 pm

    paying___for Charlies next free holiday__

    # ,, billions wa$ted destroying iraq, billions wa$ted destroying fiber network, billions wa$ted tormenting boaties in gulags. Cold-war anti-royals insisting dud policys remain will never win-over the non-aligned voters. Yes its a dud, unless you call opposition a success.

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2017 5:47 pm

    I’m hopeful they will push labor more to the left though, we so desperately need some progressive policies and plans in this country. Just give people something to vote for, for gods sake!

    Absofknlutely! KL!

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2017 6:01 pm

    Cold-war anti-royals insisting dud policys remain will never win-over the non-aligned voters.

    WTF are you babbling about now?

    December 2016 …

    In a new poll released by the ANU Australian Electoral Study, support for an Australian head of state has hit 53 per cent. It outpointed the 51 per cent result in a Newspoll earlier this year.

    Before The Referendum it was 61% and sabotaged by The Rodent – J. Howard, DW

    (speaking of wasted billions killing people in their own country!)

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 29, 2017 6:29 pm

    I still think Abbott’s certificate of renunciation looks a bit suss. He’s got mates in the UK bureaucracy looking after him I think.

  254. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2017 6:53 pm

    He’s got mates in the UK bureaucracy looking after him I think.

    Yea, somethings not right there AO

    Is Abbott’s UK citizenship renunciation letter genuine? It’s hard to say, because it looks dodgy and the British Home Office won’t confirm it.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-abbotts-letter,10547#.WXvv_oUIeOQ.twitter

    Trouble is, they pursue this, they’ll be called ‘Birthers’. But watch the rest of the msm go into conniptions over every other person who has foreign heritage. There’s a stink about it, regardless of if he’s legit or not.

  255. July 29, 2017 6:57 pm

    The repug yarn is a circle-jerk among the latte-belts of clowntown, boltsville and jonestown. lt is not anywhere near a priority to most citizens. Neither is redesigning the national tablecloth. There is bugger-all repugs on the west-coast or north 2/3rds of bananaland, or rural Aust. The territory is probably similar, and has much more interest in statehood and stopping clowntown interferring in their decisions EG voluntary euthanasia, native title towns and mining _ The `oh-just trust-us` model blib is trying to peddle will fail miserably among those of us that distrust both teams of neo-teabags. lt won`t even convince the prime-elizabethan repug! lt is a trivial dud ideal spouted by blatherers that won`t be supported by majority once the `details` are declared or remain hidden.

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 29, 2017 7:01 pm

  257. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 29, 2017 7:11 pm

    No, nothing shorten has said makes me feel there is any genuine attempt at change in the ‘politics as usual’. He’s just wanting to wedge turnbull on a republican divide. It’s still cynical power games with the voters as the losers and just furious about their inability to demand change. Is shorten talking up a federal ICAC?

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2017 8:11 pm

    Some opinionated commenters are blinded by the cigarette light! I repeat!

    In a new poll released by the ANU Australian Electoral Study, support for an Australian head of state has hit 53 per cent. It outpointed the 51 per cent result in a Newspoll earlier this year.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Is shorten talking up a federal ICAC?

    We wish, KL!

  259. July 29, 2017 8:49 pm

    (In a new poll = circlejerk) l`m sure you got fed plenty of `landslide` polls before last referendumb.

    +++

    Some indys and greenz want an icac armchair, pretty sure blib is anti-icac along with the rest of the neo-teabags.

  260. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2017 10:32 pm

    OMG all the Abbott birthers in the comments

    Exhibit (A)

    The media treating questions on one with ridicule and disdain, whilst they are simultaneously putting out calls for everyone to scrape under rocks for all the others.

    It’s transparently corrupt

  261. Shane in QLD permalink
    July 30, 2017 6:58 am

    Why on earth did Shorten bring up a Republic. I am not getting any inkling anywhere that this is an issue. He has opened up himself to an attack from the LNP ( Barnaby is already onto it) that he is not interested in the things people really care about at the moment. Bill stick to policy and stop trying to wedge with something that currently is a million miles away. Stick to Penalty Rates, NG, GST CGT, Electricity, Renewables, Environment etc etc. You have many things to promote, don’t add anything that is not important at the moment and sit back and watch the LNP implode.

    The Greens policy on housing is exactly what we need, with just a few tinkerings at the edges of it. When the biggest users of NG is 583,000 out of a population of 24,000,000 which invest in 2 or more properties or 2.43% of the population it leaves 97.57% who can vote to remove the benefits to the top 2.43%.

    It will be the young who will see the Greed as they are the main ones affected by Housing and Penalty rates. As their wages begin to be cut and the Car Industry shuts down it will be interesting to watch the Privileged try to squirm they way out of losing their benefits while slashing the benefits of the poor.

    Words are only words but when it affects actual pay packets the words become reality. The watch the fireworks.

  262. July 30, 2017 10:49 am

    Why __on earth did Shorten bring up a Republic__

    # ,, the only reasons l can see shane, is, 1-try to wedge talkbull, but talkbull knows the population is `further-away` than his repug run; so own goal by blib. 2-try to shore-up some of the demographics that make-up `the-base`; big-city latte-belts; and cold-war anti-royalz that are unhappy with their lot and have been fooled into believing its the royalz fault and not the politicians.

    not __getting any inkling anywhere that this is an issue__

    # ,, because its not. lts the basics for many; shelter, energy, and the ability to afford them.

    He has opened up himself to an attack from the LNP ( Barnaby is already onto it)

    # ,, yep, the abetz zombie was on TV earlier, folks don`t come up to eric demanding a repug, its jobs and electricty, ETC

    # ,, l reckon for each `one` blib shores-up of his base; he pisses off a dozen non-aligned voters myself, it seems such a spectacular gift to the zombies; when there is so many topics to club the zombies with and desperately needed. #lacks.judgement

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 30, 2017 10:50 am

  264. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2017 11:14 am

    Bill stick to policy and stop trying to wedge with something that currently is a million miles away.

    Exactly. He’s had turnbull on a hiding to no where, and then brings htis up.

    Then again, He’s had turnbull on a hiding to no where, after he did the same to abbott, so, he does know what he’s doing. There may be a longer game afoot (so to speak 🙂 .

    It looks stupid right now though.

  265. July 30, 2017 11:47 am

    It __looks stupid right now though__#agree

    # ,, l`m watching blib at the team meeting on my abc24 T-C, blib started off kinda crappy, but has started hitting nails on the head with the `dual-class` taxation system and unfairness that goes with it. This is the `right-stuff` and l hope he dumps the repug crap soon.

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2017 6:11 pm

    Coincidence is an odd occurrence but in truth very, very rare – particularly in business and it seems politics …

    Bill Shorten announces Labor’s developing Tax Policy …

    Malfunction Tremble announces a thwarted terrorist attack …

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2017 6:35 pm

    Pretty obvious by any standards by now … the LibNits ain’t no economic managers!

    Certainly not nation builders … is that by design, stupidity, or, incompetence?

    The problem we all seem to have is that there is so much rubbish happening every day that everything takes a back seat … until the next crisis … and the next … and the next!

  268. July 30, 2017 6:39 pm

    Correct. l noticed that you noticed too. (-: This is the 2nd tewwa-wade that seems to be oh-so politically convenient. lf things get any more teabag-convenient folks will be dying in paris-tunnel auto-wrecks.

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 31, 2017 6:06 am

  270. July 31, 2017 9:47 am

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  271. July 31, 2017 11:26 am

    This one had some good LoLs in it armchair,

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2017/07/28/josh-bornstein-right-hypocrite/

    __graveyards littered with politicians who embraced Christian family values and condemned `the homosexual lifestyle` only to be caught vigorously participating in it__

    # ,, this has always been one of my favorites, l`ve always laughed my nuts off when one of the queer bashing repugs has been caught-out queer `doing` (-: (-: (-: (-:

    __Throughout his campaign for the presidency, Donald Trump repeatedly asserted a ”massive election fraud” and demanded an investigation.

    ”The electoral college is a disaster for democracy” he tweeted__

    # ,, old clown hair really got the echo chamber braying with this, and still is! Did you notice tho, the author totally omitted legacy FakeNews outlets have totally abdicated even trying to hold teabag-power to account? Or that legacy fakenews outlets act as cheersquads for teabag-govts? (eg-iraq) And act as pr agents for teabag-govt messaging? (eg-MH17) And fail to challenge teabag-govt statements? (both) And omit facts from the viewers? (both)

  272. July 31, 2017 11:33 am

    the `boom` tweet is echo chamber stuff, rehashed by saveTheSwampers armchair, l looked it up a while ago after an AJ or pbs show, try this wiki

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

    lt (wiki) seems to have most of the detail (fact) that AJ/pbs reported, without the noise.

  273. July 31, 2017 3:11 pm

    For years now, l have known thru yank doco`s that; in winter, in teh-usa `snow`states, the poor and homeless commit crimes intentionally so they can go to jail for a few months during winter, or receive medical treatment they cannot afford.

    As Aust becomes more `americanized` under mainly teabag-govts, this part of the story has not been generally told to the public. Not to the level the horse-shit has been promoted anyway.

    Finally, here is my abc`s attempt to catch-up with the hidden aspects of `americanization` we are constantly being attacked with.

    ___the rate of reoffending is worse: there are estimates that more than one-third of women in Victoria’s state justice system will return to prison within two years of being released.

    Over the past decade, the state’s female prison population has climbed by more than 70 per cent.

    One former inmate, Kerry, said that for many, reoffending was deliberate. A way to get back to safety___

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-21/can-victorian-prisons-learn-from-the-us-female-justice-system/8707928

    Prediction, the talking-head feminista circuit will ignore or only give `minimal` attention to the topic. #yaaay.americanization

  274. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 31, 2017 3:17 pm

  275. July 31, 2017 4:15 pm

    @TonyAbbottMHR __Sure we can make the country more equal but only by making it less prosperous. Get real, @billshortenmp__

    # ,, Well there it is armchair! The very 1984 teabags in full honesty.

    # ,, Remember their 1984ish `work is the best welfare` crack.

    # ,, Why-TF any breeder votes for these fcukers has always got me stuffed. They really do believe that `prosperity` needs most to be slaves with only a few super-wealthy. l really do look forward to things getting `bloody` for these cnuts. As history continually shows it does.

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2017 7:43 pm

    “””””Bring __on the tumbrils! And the guillotines__ “””””

    # ,, those days are long-gone, cold-war trainy trainys should understand that; yes the kiddies will need to rise-up one day, and; when the kiddies overwhelm the plod, the braindead adf will give the kiddies the business-end of their latest and greatest war-toys to defend the tyrants.

    … those of us who lived (has it gone?) through The Cold War understand many things you seem not to, t bagz … keep up the good work … 😉

    … BTW the ADF all have families and oddly enough opinions and options! This is not Venezuela …

    So, which opinion makes sense … mmmmm … the one above or the one below?

    # ,, Why-TF any breeder votes for these fcukers has always got me stuffed. They really do believe that `prosperity` needs most to be slaves with only a few super-wealthy. l really do look forward to things getting `bloody` for these cnuts. As history continually shows it does.

    You are or you aren’t?

  277. August 1, 2017 11:32 am

    Hey trainy trainy __did you see last nights 4cornerz? __our 5-eye tyrants supporting and sponsoring `other` tyrants __still feel safe`n cosy with your encryption and vpn? __if the primates don`t smoke`emselves `en-mass` (they won`t be waiting for no space-rock) then the super-rich primates will be confined secured, gated areas, hoping the poor outside can`t get in, or snatch their kids and send them back piece by-piece until the ransome is paid __this model is already operating in africa and s-america __how soon till it spreads?

  278. August 1, 2017 4:14 pm

    This is not Venezuela _ YET (-:

    which _opinion makes sense__ its all about `context`, but as ya`asking

    The rabbit tweet is spouting rwn-jobbery. Sooner or later they`ll provoke some white rwnj to go all columbine or oklahoma-city on them. All homegrown, no moooosie in sight.

    The kiddies. Comrades that believe in `el-revolucion` might want to keep in mind the arab-spring. The tyrants have incredible toys at their disposal, both war-toys and tech-toys that give them incredible advantage. l`m sure you really don`t want a `kiddie-spring`.

    The adf have options, blindly obey, and sexually assault each other.

    The adf have opinions, the same opinions as asis, asio, afp-plod and teabag-duopoly, with a little weapons `dropping` on the side. (along with the usual cold war scary scary)

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2017 5:05 pm

    … how soon till it spreads?

    Did I tell you I spent 1988 in PNG? Guess what … nothing is new …

    The adf have opinions, the same opinions as asis, asio, afp-plod and teabag-duopoly, with a little weapons `dropping` on the side.

    What do you suggest?

    Maybe we should reinstate military national service …

  280. August 1, 2017 7:01 pm

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  281. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2017 9:30 pm

    LOL!

    And I wish ALL pollies were BANNED from heckling schoolkids in what should be a learning environment not a political backscene!

  282. August 2, 2017 12:02 pm

    Why __on earth did Shorten bring up a Republic_

    Shane!!! _ Just been speaking with a friend that is a self-admitted raving-repug and ex-kevin07 voter, who has gone greenz since kevin07 was knifed, and has friends in both camps. He reckons blib is doing the `full-leftist` and repug thing to try and woo-back the kevin07 voters and jooLiar-voters that abandoned team-knife and (mostly) went greenz. He reckons the `full-left` swing by blib is much more about defeating the greenz and not defeating the zombies. He said he doesn`t trust blib and his team and is staying greenz.

    (that`s a better explainer than mine)

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