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Internal War Erupts as the Liberals go Postal over Same Sex Marriage!

August 3, 2017

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The far right and marginally less far right of the Liberal Party are set to slog out the battle over same sex marriage at a meeting that’s been hastily convened by so-called “leader” Malcolm Turnbull.

The Canberra show down is set for Monday at 4:00pm.

Bizarrely, but perhaps not unsurprisingly, given his propensity to buckle under the slightest hint of pressure with the intestinal fortitude of a damp lettuce leaf, Talcum, as he is affectionately known amongst the velvet slipper and twin-set brigade of inner Wentworth, has decreed that he won’t actually participate in the meeting.

Instead he’ll leave the actual bloodletting to take place between Liberal moderates led by same sex marriage advocate Warren Entsch and the barely repressed rabid mongrels on the right spearheaded by Tony Abbott and Eric Abetz.

Leadership aspirant, and who we may as well call the Prime Minister anyway, given that the incumbent has more or less given up on the role, the always affable Peter Dutton has suggested that the whole thing go postal, a clever ruse to give those most likely to oppose same sex marriage – crusty old middle class Coalition-voting property owners – a greater sway in influencing the result.

Of course, the postal vote still carries the risk of being influenced by ‘public opinion’ or what’s commonly known as democracy, so plan B is to simply ignore the postal plebiscite should it not deliver the outcome the antediluvian homophobes are hoping for.

Which makes you wonder why a $40 million postal vote is being considered in the first place.

The fact that it’s supported by the likes of Dutton, Abetz and Abbott sends a clear signal that it’s designed to deliver a “NO” outcome.

Of course, the hilarity in all of this, has to be when former Prime Minister Tony Abbott insisted earlier this week that a failure to deliver the plebiscite would be “breaking a pact with the electorate to honour an election promise.” Humour isn’t Abbott’s strong point but the irony was lost on him.

Since that brain fart, it’s been revealed that Abbott previously declared that the plebiscite was “dead, buried and cremated” when it failed to win parliamentary approval last time around. So it’s kind of odd, but not surprising, that he’s thrown his support behind it, given that the alternative is the shocking possibility that MPs could actually do what they’re elected to do and have a free vote in Parliament.

The whole thing’s spiralling out of control with senior sources telling The Gutter Trash that even if this issue can be settled and the moderates placated, the party will plunge headlong into another split, this time over energy and with the conservatives leading the revolt.

In the interim, I suggest investing in popcorn shares.

 

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  1. August 3, 2017 4:57 pm

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  2. August 3, 2017 7:11 pm

    Just posting this here because it’s pretty bloody funny… 🙂

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/08/03/shortest-political-interview-ever-federal-mp-cut-after-29-seconds

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2017 9:49 pm

    LOL!

  4. In_the_sticks permalink
    August 6, 2017 7:47 pm

    Should make for an interesting party room meeting tomorrow. Will be interesting to see if the moderates get up, they’ve certainly made enough noise about it.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2017 10:16 pm

    I don’t think any of the LNP know how to get it up … bunch of fkn whimps!

  6. In_the_sticks permalink
    August 7, 2017 6:20 pm

    Aaaaand, they’re sticking with their current policy. Like a dinosaur stuck in a tar pit, thrashing a bit and going nowhere but down

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2017 6:53 pm

    … that this is the hill they’re going to die on.

    Let’s call it Calvary … god rest all their souls …

  8. August 8, 2017 12:32 pm

    “Like a dinosaur stuck in a tar pit, thrashing a bit and going nowhere but down”

    Leaders don’t break promises, says Turnbull..

    This is going to be his legacy:

    1. stuffing up the NBN
    2. doing nothing on climate change
    3. doing on nothing on marriage equality

    I wonder how he can even face himself in the mirror. 😯

  9. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2017 7:03 pm

    I think the funniest thing about this is if howard hadn’t played silly buggers all those years ago, his mob wouldn’t currently be tearing themselves apart doing nothing now

    Priceless

  10. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 9, 2017 8:52 am

    reb

    The legacy of the LNP since 2013 has been to

    1) Tell the most lies to get elected in the first place
    2) Break every promise made
    3) Attack the minorities and those at the bottom while gifting those at the top
    4) Trash anything Gillard instituted,
    5) Bully the senate,
    6) Remove their own PM after claiming to never lower themselves to that level
    7) Hold an election we didn’t need costing hundreds of millions of dollars
    8) Almost lose the election we didn’t need
    9) Repeat No 3 again and again with the assistance of Murdoch

  11. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2017 11:53 am

    Commonwealth Bank’s ‘IT glitch’ defence questioned
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2017/08/07/cba-it-glitch-defence-questioned/

    Governance experts and former insiders have questioned the Commonwealth Bank’s decision to blame thousands of alleged money laundering breaches on a software glitch.

    Alarm bells’: former ABS head says gay marriage postal vote is not the agency’s job
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/08/08/marriage-postal-vote-abs/

  12. August 9, 2017 4:34 pm

    Weak Harbourside Puppet

  13. August 9, 2017 5:00 pm

    Asked at his news conference, ”Isn`t a postal plebiscite just a way to have the parliament follow? Why aren`t you leading?”, Turnbull replied: ”Strong leaders carry out their promises. Weak leaders break them. I`m a strong leader.”

    It was an unconvincing ”Me Tarzan” moment.

    http://theconversation.com/marriage-equality-lobby-and-labor-must-decide-how-to-handle-postal-ballot-82223

  14. Scoop the Swoop permalink
    August 9, 2017 5:51 pm

    Power is like being a lady… if you have to tell people you are, you aren’t.

    If you set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing.

  15. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2017 6:53 am

  16. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2017 9:13 am

    What the actual?

    Lobbyists on both sides of the marriage equality debate will be free to distribute misleading and deceptive material ahead of the same-sex marriage postal vote, because the usual campaign rules have been discarded.

    In order to circumvent the Senate, the Turnbull government’s optional marriage survey will be conducted by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, meaning the safeguards of the Commonwealth Electoral Act would not apply.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rules-against-malicious-campaign-material-will-not-apply-to-samesex-marriage-postal-vote-20170809-gxskoj.html

  17. August 10, 2017 3:37 pm

    Weak Harbourside Puppet @TurnbullMalcolm LOSES

    Rabbits Sister (-:

    We Will Decide (-:

  18. August 10, 2017 4:11 pm

    CHALLENGE TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE POSTAL VOTE FILED IN HIGH COURT

    http://ymlp.com/zBugXy

  19. Walrus permalink
    August 10, 2017 4:29 pm

    “………why Turnbull’s postal plebiscite is such a terrible failure of leadership. ”

    That’s funny. Weren’t both Shorten and Wong members of the Gillard and Rudd governments who refused to do ANYTHING about SSM.

    At least the LNP have a butchered plan. Not what everyone wanted as an outcome but one which gets it “off the table”. Its upto the SSM advocates to put their case. Sure some of the LNP MPs still probably wont vote for it if “Yes” wins but enough will to ensure it passes.

    Of course we never do hear much about the ALP MPs with large anti SSM electorate………….Burke…………..Bowen etc

    Everyone knows a possible PM Shorten just wants to bring it in as his personal trophy.

    And here’s Gillard 20 March 2011.

    “I think for our culture, for our heritage, the Marriage Act and marriage being between a man and a woman has a special status…………”Now, I know people might look at me and think that’s something that they wouldn’t necessarily expect me to say, but that is what I believe……….”I’m on the record as saying things like I think it’s important for people to understand their Bible stories, not because I’m an advocate of religion – clearly, I’m not – but once again, what comes from the Bible has formed such an important part of our culture.”

    Let me repeat one bit…………..LOL

    “…..but once again, what comes from the Bible has formed such an important part of our culture.”

    I expect the endlessly outraged “snowflake” from Queensland to defend Gillard.

    But hang on he never reads my posts anyway LOL.

    In fact there’s hardly anyone left on here these days

  20. August 10, 2017 4:32 pm

    “In fact there’s hardly anyone left on here these days”

    Maybe you could invite all your friend along to join in.

  21. Walrus permalink
    August 10, 2017 4:48 pm

    What happened to ToM and that pest NoS ?

  22. August 10, 2017 4:59 pm

    Don’t know.

  23. Walrus permalink
    August 10, 2017 5:10 pm

    And now I introduce Penny Wong…………….

    “On the issue of marriage I think the reality is there is a cultural, religious, historical view around that which we have to respect,” she told Network Ten on Sunday.

    “The party’s position is very clear that this is an institution that is between a man and a woman.”

    I’ll just repeat a l’il bit

    “…….here is a cultural, religious, historical view around that which we have to respect,”

    So dont give me that crap about the ALP being better than the LNP.

    Neither has cred on the issue but at least we are seeing some sort of foggy pathway to getting there by the LNP but yet again the SSM advocates dont want a bar of it………………………..Hypocrits …………it’s all about the Team not the Principle with you Lefties

  24. August 10, 2017 5:33 pm

    Nah blubbrz, its an `own-goal` by talkbull, most won`t even vote, voters know the zombies won`t pass gay marriage even `if` it was 100%-yes.

    Voters also know they didn`t have a `poll` when john-w slammed his jackboot down on gays throats over marriage; on natives throats over `sorry`; or on NT citizens throats over voluntary euthanasia; tho john-w would have incinerated treasury to stop any one of them.

    The ghost of john-w stalks talkbull today on gay marriage; and the ghost of john-w will stalk talkbull tomorrow over voluntary euthanasia as the state/s pass it. The ghosts name is rabbit.

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2017 5:37 pm

    in my inbox …

    Last night the Turnbull Government secured two key reforms.
    https://www.liberal.org.au/?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261
    T,
    Last night the Turnbull Government secured two key reforms.
    1. We passed legislation to stop secret and corrupt payments (https://www.facebook.com/LiberalPartyAustralia/posts/10155469849087464?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) between employers and unions.
    2. We stopped Labor’s attempt to overturn key reforms (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2017/08/09/senate-upholds-building-reforms?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) to tackle CFMEU intimidation (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2017/08/09/senate-upholds-building-reforms?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) and fix the building industry.

    These reforms were secured despite strident opposition from Labor, and builds on the Government’s success in re-establishing the Australian Building and Construction Commission (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2016/11/30/coalition-delivers-promise-restore-australian-building-and-construction?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) , creating the Registered Organisations Commission (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2016/11/22/parliament-delivers-protection-and-accountability-members-registered?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) and protecting volunteer firefighters (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2016/08/22/fair-work-amendment-protect-victorian-volunteer-firefighters?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) and owner-operator truck drivers (https://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2016/04/19/coalition-bill-puts-truckies-back-road?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) from hostile union takeover.

    With Mr Shorten, nothing changes.

    As boss of the Australian Workers’ Union, his union received countless dodgy payments from employers – payments that would be illegal under the new legislation.

    As Workplace Relations Minister, he let the CFMEU off the leash by abolishing the Australian Building and Construction Commission.

    If he becomes Prime Minister, he’ll put union bosses first, at the expense of small businesses, taxpayers and the economy.

    We cannot let that happen.

    LIKE (https://www.facebook.com/LiberalPartyAustralia/posts/10155469849087464?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) and SHARE (https://www.facebook.com/LiberalPartyAustralia/posts/10155469849087464?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=d76eb10575-budgetinreply_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-d76eb10575-57938261) on Facebook to show your support.

    Regards,

    Michaelia Cash
    Minister for Employment

    AND THIS

    T,

    If it were up to me, Malcolm Turnbull’s $122 million postal survey on marriage equality would never happen.  

    It’s a colossal waste of time and money — and it’s already unleashing hateful insults. 

    But if it goes ahead, I will be voting yes, and I will be campaigning for a YES vote. I will knock on doors, I will make calls, I will encourage every Australian to vote. And I’m asking you to join me.

    The decks are stacked against us. Turnbull and his allies have done everything they can to set this up to fail. So it’s going to take some doing:

    http://www.itstimeformarriageequality.org.au/

    I completely understand why some people might see this offensive plebiscite and want to boycott the whole thing. But that’s what they want us to do.

    To LGBTI Australians, I want to say this: I’m sorry this is happening. I know you are frustrated and angry and sad and bewildered by how it has come to this – but I want you to know you are not alone in the fight ahead.

    We support marriage equality – and we will stand with you to make it happen. It’s time to organise and fight back, send a message to this government and to our country that cannot be ignored. 

    So let’s work together and vote YES in the marriage equality survey. Click here to let us know you’re part of it, and we’ll keep in touch over the coming weeks with more you can do.

    http://www.itstimeformarriageequality.org.au/

    In solidarity, 

    Bill Shorten

    Which one reads like a paranoid and simply frenetic?

    And which one reads like a leader/politician serving the PEOPLE of Australia?

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2017 5:44 pm

    And the Closet Catholic strikes again I see …

    “…….here is a cultural, religious, historical view around that which we have to respect,”

    How will you vote?

    I will be voting YES!

    So what happened to stonings and beheadings and crucifixion and burnings and the rack and drownings and the religious traditions go one … respect? respect?

    Can Christians marry Jews yet? ‘Cause they couldn’t in 339AD … the book I’m reading now is a history of Jerusalem – Jews, Christians and Moslems … it is horrendous …

    Respect? GMAFB!

    Its 2017 …

    Not 1017 …

    And I forgot death by boiling water!

    BTW not a fan of Gillard in many things … or Rudd and commented at the time …

  27. August 10, 2017 5:58 pm

    Everybody here seems to think the poll will get off the ground. l`m not so sure the multi-court challenges will all fail myself. On TV wilkie seem to make several good points, and others probably will too.

  28. August 10, 2017 6:43 pm

    I’m almost tearful with the idea that I have to participate in a public opinion poll that will determine whether I’m deserving enough to enjoy the same rights as others simply due to my sexuality.

    It’s dehumanising and humiliating, and without wishing to sound melodramatic it reeks of pre-Nazi Germany.

    This is where we have been led to as a society and a nation under the Turnbull government.

    I won’t forget this lightly, and I imagine I’m not alone in feeling this way.

    Gay people, our friends, families and people who abhor this sort of discrimination and government funded vilification won’t forget this lightly.

    My only hope is that Turnbull’s conduct in this regard will be rewarded in kind at the ballot box at the next election.

  29. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2017 6:57 pm

    Weren’t both Shorten and Wong members of the Gillard and Rudd governments who refused to do ANYTHING about SSM.

    No

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-19/same-sex-marriage-bill-voted-down/4270016

    it reeks of pre-Nazi Germany.

    It’s soaked in fascist overtones reb, especially this bit

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/aliceworkman/the-public-wont-see-the-same-sex-marriage-legislation-its?utm_term=.hjmKeNv71#.fdWO52rZp

    coupled with

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rules-against-malicious-campaign-material-will-not-apply-to-samesex-marriage-postal-vote-20170809-gxskoj.html

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2017 6:57 pm

    I’m almost tearful

    Get angry, mate! You taught me well!

    And these pricks talk about the Nanny State … you’re right its more like the Nazi State!

    Just remember this … the majority of Australians are with the LGBTI members of our society …

    All this LNP government keeps trying to do is divide and conquer Australians by gender, by age, by wealth, by health, by politics, by income dilution, by religion (or not), by welfare … the list goes on …

    Who’s next?

    Vote YES!

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2017 7:00 pm

    Expecting some protest marches if the shit hits the fan … (with any luck it’ll hit The Mad Abbott!)

  32. August 10, 2017 7:03 pm

    “Get angry, mate! You taught me well!”

    That will no doubt come later..

    Right now, I just feel sad and deflated.

    I can’t believe this is what Australia has been reduced to.

    First they came for the Muslims… etc etc..

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2017 7:21 pm

    sreb, did you read the rest of my comment?

    “””Just remember this … the majority of Australians are with the LGBTI members of our society … “””

  34. August 10, 2017 7:26 pm

    Yeah I know. But the fact that this whole thing is being sanctioned by the govt is jaw dropping.

    I didn’t really feel like a 2nd class citizen b4 the survey was announced, but now I definitely do. That’s the sad part. It’s degrading.

  35. August 10, 2017 7:27 pm

    l agree reb, the zombies `do` go thru the routine of queer stomping, boatie stomping, worker stomping, etc, etc. Don`t let it get you prematurely dejected or depressed. Wilkie might just stomp the zombies poll and save folks the misery.

  36. August 10, 2017 7:33 pm

    Thanks bagz.

  37. August 10, 2017 8:13 pm

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  38. August 10, 2017 9:00 pm

    Wilkie __have lodged an application asking the High Court to stop the Federal Government`s postal vote on the issue__

    http://www.themercury.com.au/news/politics/tasmanian-mp-andrew-wilkie-and-friends-lodge-high-court-bid-to-stop-samesex-marriage-postal-vote/news-story/73fbbbac19d04439fab5f078394214dd?nk=6f724edaa88912351e9944dd4c178d24-1502361858

    We will argue the Government cannot validly undertake a postal vote and also

    that it cannot fund the exercise without parliamentary approval.

    Mr Hunyor said the Australian Bureau of Statistics

    didn`t have the authority to hold the postal vote

    as gay marriage wasn`t a statistical issue.

    # ,, no authority to waste the cash, no authority to waste dept-resources

    # ,, yep, that`s how l see it too

  39. August 11, 2017 3:57 am

    Good morning teabags. lf the wilkie/court stuff FAILS and the `optional` marriage `poll` goes ahead. l will not be badgering co-workers, neighbors, family or friends that aren`t going to vote, (like an outraged feminista trainy trainy team swooning convention) l will merely ask them if l can take `custody` of their `unwanted` polling papers. #wink.wink

  40. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 11, 2017 8:31 am

    reb

    Hoping to make you smile.

    How about we all wipe our arse with the form and then mail them back to Tony Abbott at Parliament House.

    A good skiddy of shit for someone who resembles same, it could be our bowel screening deposit ( if we are arrested) 🙂

  41. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2017 8:55 am

    What could go wrong?

    SHOCKING homophobic comments made by the Turnbull government minister now in charge of the agency which will conduct the gay marriage postal vote have come back to haunt him.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/abs-minister-michael-mccormack-made-shocking-comments-about-gay-peoples-sordid-behaviour/news-story/c515ad845e9c4d6f5c53440688e403a0

  42. shaneinqld permalink
    August 11, 2017 9:18 am

    Tom R

    There will be much dragging up of history from both sides I think. My father was a terrible bigot until he found out there were gays in the family. Then he realised that they were not something to be feared or hated like his religion had told him all these years.
    He woke up to the fact that they were exactly the same and all around us in all walks of life.

    Hell one of the farmers he wool classed for came out after being married for 29 years and 4 kids, and dressed in womens clothes with the big fake nails and high heel shoes. Was hilarious to see him out changing a tractor tyre with grease all over his dress and broken nails.

    The point is people do change their minds and do regret comments they made many years ago. I choose to take what they are saying now, not what they said 20 years ago. I will not crucify McCormack for comments made that long ago.

  43. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2017 9:53 am

    “And the Closet Catholic strikes again I see …”

    As usual no answer to the hypocrisy that I pointed to in my post……………..just the usual bluster and bigotry about a particular religion.

    Why am I not surprised.

    By the way……….the woman on the left was brought up Catholic

  44. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2017 9:53 am

  45. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2017 9:54 am

    A double dose of Tony Abbott is sure to fuck up your day LOL

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2017 10:17 am

    HOW TO MAKE AUSTRALIA A TARGET!

    So where is the referendum? Or even a plebiscite? Not even a “government postal survey”?

    Hypocrisy? Double standards?

    PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull says Australia will come to the aid of the United States if North Korea attacks America.

    In an interview this morning, Mr Turnbull said the US had no stronger ally than Australia.

    “We have an ANZUS agreement and if there is an attack on Australia or the US then each of us will come to the other’s aid,” he told 3AW.

    “Australia will come to the aid of the US just as if there was an attack on Australia, the US would come to our aid.”

    What a fuckwit!

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2017 10:25 am

    As usual no answer to the hypocrisy that I pointed to in my post……………..just the usual bluster and bigotry about a particular religion.

    Way out of your league again …

    You will be voting YES?

    (BTW – I was brought CofE … so?)

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2017 10:28 am

    (BTW – I was brought up C of E … so?)

    And to accuse me of “bluster and bigotry” … to coin an acronym ROFLMAO! 😉

    You will be voting YES, of course?

  49. August 11, 2017 10:34 am

    “How about we all wipe our arse with the form”

    It’s certainly a novel concept.

    But to be sure, I’d probably throw some anthrax into the envelope too.

  50. August 11, 2017 10:39 am

    “As usual no answer to the hypocrisy that I pointed to in my post”

    I think you’ll find that I was very vocal about Julia Gillard and Penny Wong’s position on ssm a few years ago.

    Times have changed and attitudes towards ssm have changed in the space of just a few short years with many other developed nations adopting ssm.

    Heck, even Angela Merkel who is personally opposed allowed a free vote in Parliament and it passed without any fuss.

    Only a narrow minded individual would stick to their guns while the rest of the world moves on.

  51. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2017 10:57 am

    “I think you’ll find that I was very vocal about Julia Gillard and Penny Wong’s position….”

    I wasn’t referring to you…………but rather someone north of the Tweed who has trouble accepting the hypocrisy of his “team” when they has so many opportunities whilst in Office.

    If I can be bothered I’ll vote Yes. It has no effect on me whatsoever.

    Just to get on with other stuff

  52. shaneinqld permalink
    August 11, 2017 11:08 am

    reb

    I just hope the paper is soft, because there is nothing worse than coarse dunny paper 🙂

    Anthrax will negate any excuse for a bowel cancer test.

    Still amazes me Turnbull has stuck with this as it truly will be his Achilles heel and he will have his legs cut from underneath him at the next election.

    TB

    We only have plebiscites when the religious right want them on things that they want to see stay illegal. John Howard unilaterally changed the marriage act without any need to waste hundreds of millions of dollars or seeking the right of the public to have their say. We are never asked about wage increases for MPs or whether they should go to jail for theft when found rorting the system.

  53. August 11, 2017 11:21 am

    I don’t recall being asked whether we should go to war with North Korea…

    I guess ssm is a more dangerous prospect. 😯

  54. shaneinqld permalink
    August 11, 2017 11:37 am

    Watching on ABC News 24 that 200 refugees will be settled in Armidale. Barnaby ion the background looks as excited about it as a bowel movement. Probably cant force any more PS to move form Canberra through his pork barrelling exercises that have no cost benefit analysis.

  55. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2017 11:51 am

    “I guess ssm is a more dangerous prospect.”

    I’m scared

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2017 11:53 am

    I think you’ll find that I was very vocal about Julia Gillard and Penny Wong’s position on ssm a few years ago.

    And so did I … and Gillard’s treatment of welfare for single mums …

    But as has been commented earlier both sides of politics have a shameful past on the issue of ssm … but the past and the present antagonism towards ssm has and is being driven by religious zealotry and bigotry … no other reason … no other reason … no other reason …

    Who governs the country – the Vatican or the People of Australia … The Mad Abbott or TurnAbbott?

    History tells us that religions of all colours and concepts have caused more pain and suffering than any natural disaster … “beliefs” in gods or a god is fine, just keep the fairytale to yourself and don’t foist “your” belief on others and make them miserable …

    The Tories in the LNP are going to bring this government to its knees …

  57. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2017 11:54 am

    Cori Bernadi will vent his spleen about opening up our society to polygamy, paedos and beastality as usual and the Left will go all anti Christian blah blah blah.

    I mean in the end when we finally gave women the vote did we then openly discuss perhaps letting dogs and cats vote too ?

  58. shaneinqld permalink
    August 11, 2017 12:02 pm

    TB

    Abbott and the conservative so called Christians are governing us through fear, something the catholic church has been an expert at for many years. I would like a dollar for every time I was told I would burn in hell or be in purgatory for ever in the afterlife. The catholic god only became a god of love and forgiveness after Vatican II. Before that he was a god of hellfire and damnation. My grandmother ensured that the old god lived on in my families lives well after Vatican II and Tony and his like minded nutters also seem to be living before Vatican II. Its a wonder he didn’t do a captains pick during his short lived PMship and enforce latin as the main language on the parliament.

  59. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2017 12:03 pm

    As usual no answer to the hypocrisy that I pointed to in my post…

    I did 🙂 (maybe not in hte way you appreciated)

    Although, Gillards personal abstinence from a stance was quite pathetic, considering her stance on so many many similar issues. It reeked of political pressure from dinosaurs.

    But, at least a vote was had.

  60. shaneinqld permalink
    August 11, 2017 12:07 pm

    LNP must be shitting themselves. After claiming that they did not need to do anything about hate during the postal opinion poll, they are now proposing legislation to stop the hatred they claim would not exist. Maybe that is what Barnaby was thinking about.

    This is going to tear this government down and it deserves it. Maybe then we will get an RC into the Banks as well ( something the overwhelming majority support). In a way I hope the post poll actually happens.

  61. August 11, 2017 12:28 pm

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  62. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2017 1:29 pm

    And where does One Nation stand?

  63. shaneinqld permalink
    August 11, 2017 2:07 pm

    One Nation stands exactly where they stand and they will stand there and defend their right to stand where they stand and will not answer questions to the ABC or other left wing media about where they stand and that is exactly where they stand.

  64. August 11, 2017 2:41 pm

    “And where does One Nation stand?”

    Knee deep in shit as usual I s’pose..

  65. August 11, 2017 3:16 pm

    On my abc24 reports, wilkie is in/at boltsville court to oppose the poll. A 2nd group is in/at jonestown court to oppose poll. Today.

    +

    l agree shane, there really is not a political upside for the zombies outside the zombie party room. Talkbull has jumped into the gay marriage postal quicksand to placate the zombies, and hopes the zombies will haul him out before he goes under. Meanwhile, the rabbit is pied piper-like leading away half the zombies. The only real political `danger` here is blib `luring` the zombies away from the cliff-edge they are about to walk over.

    +

    All that long-form blubbering above is `old-hat`. (jooLiar-Penny) lt is largely copy/paste of my comments. (only l it said in `real` time)

  66. August 11, 2017 4:05 pm

    Some time ago l told folks here there is a doco that did the forensics on the titanic which proved that neo-teabagism white-anted the engineering of the titanic and doomed it before it even left dock. l think somebody wanted to see it, teebz? l just caught an ad for sun-8.30 on sbs2/vice called ,, titanic, the new evidence. l think that`s the show.

  67. August 11, 2017 4:30 pm

    Wilkie on my abc24, has secured the hearing on 5th+6th sept. l think you might find your `poll` misery will not go beyond that date reb (-: _ recommend everybody catch wilkie on TV themselves to get full detail(quite a bit)

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2017 4:50 pm

    One Nation stands exactly where they stand …

    Actually the buggers have a One Nation van parked across the road … bright orange and pale blue and 20x mug shot of some ugly bloody woman …

    I keep getting this mage of spray paint cans …

    And for the record …

    … some of you may recall that we allowed Labor election signs to be planted in our front yard for the last state election … NOT THIS YEAR … and I sent the local member an email telling them why!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    lt is largely copy/paste of my comments. (only l it said in `real` time)

    How wonderful your perfect life must be for you … 🙄

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2017 4:53 pm

    l think somebody wanted to see it, teebz?

    If its about the poor quality steel used in construction … I told you about it in “real” time … 😀

    Ta, tho’ … 😉

  70. August 11, 2017 5:26 pm

    the __poor quality steel used in__ #rivots

    _I told you about it in “real” time__ (-: (-: (-:

    NOT __THIS YEAR__ #front yard signage solutions not cutting it huh? (-:

    sent __the local member an email__

    # ,, ha ha, l`m betting they didn`t exactly `enjoy` that. Did they bother to reply beyond the `stock` communications `blather` that everything seems to get as an answer now-a days. lf ya`really want to piss`em off, stick an indy/greenz sign in. (-: (-: (-:

  71. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 11, 2017 6:00 pm

    Bloody amazing, the RBA has criticised the banks ( especially the CBA ) for having a culture of sales over service. ASIC is also investigating.

    Staff and their UNION could tell and was telling these fucking idiots, 15 fucking years ago that this was happening and evolving.

    But rather the staff were made redundant, considered dead wood, old school, unable to cope with the change and the Union a left wing bag of nutters who need to be destroyed at all costs. Began with David Murray !!!!!.

    Yep the fucking imported management and super fund shareholders who were pals with management knew better than the long term loyal staff.

    Now the Bank is tarnished, its reputation shot and facing an RC hopefully it has shit in its own nest and deserves everything it gets. Amazing staff churn in comparison to 15 years ago. No career progression, outsiders brought in all the time.

    I just hope the poor working staff ( not the latte sipping management level) are not made scapegoats again like they have been every other time there has been a scandal.

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2017 10:36 am

    #rivots

    I’m think you meant “rivets”

    Did they bother to reply … told them not to because all I expected would be … the `stock` communications `blather`

    stick an (sic) indy/greenz sign in … and a One Nation sign and really confuse the neighbours …

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2017 10:42 am

    Shane, the NAB has had a “culture” of sales over service for at least a decade that I know of … their Performance Appraisals” are based on sales – NOT service …

    And I don’t know where they get their “management” “team” from … but it reminds me of James Hardies’ (full of incompetent engineers and chemists) … where NAB is full of incompetent accountants … not a professional manager amongst ’em …

  74. shaneinqld permalink
    August 12, 2017 4:56 pm

    TB

    It all began when the CBA was sold off, all the big 4 began this same culture of sales and profit, irrespective of a clients actual needs. Cohen Brown was the culture imported from the USA by the NAB and then taken up by the CBA. Went on for years with our banks making massive payments to the company for each and every sale achieved while using their push and push and ask and badger culture from that bastion of sales culture the USA.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2017 7:25 pm

    using their push and push and ask and badger culture from that bastion of sales culture the USA.

    Same thing happened in mining … but the banks’ unions are not quite as powerful as the CMFEU!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Have you noticed how SHRILL Mal-f-f-f-f-f-unction is sounding lately … days are numbered … along with the LNP … based on my experience of politico el stupido!

  76. August 12, 2017 9:21 pm

    “”Have you noticed how SHRILL Mal-f-f-f-f-f-unction is sounding lately””

    Absolutely! He’s obsessed with Bill Shorten.

    I guess MT’s not the messiah after all.

  77. shaneinqld permalink
    August 13, 2017 11:25 am

    reb

    They are all obsessed with Bill Shorten. Usually indicates that their policies are on the nose with voters so they need to be shrill about something else to make the voters worry about non existent matters while they are being screwed.

    Either attack Bill Shorten or talk up terror and immigration fears.

  78. August 13, 2017 1:07 pm

    I __guess MT`s not the messiah after all__

    He has struggled to find a swooning qandaland audience since his minister for telegraph-wire days.

    or __talk up terror and immigration fears__

    Has everybody noticed talkbull has been clinging like a limpet to the `tuff-tork` going on between the-ronald and korea too.

  79. August 13, 2017 4:36 pm

    I’m a strong leader.

    #justsayin

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2017 5:42 pm

    I’m a strong leader.

    #justsayin

    Cha-chuckle …

    I had a thought this afternoon (one a day is sufficient) …

    So I did some research … this is SA storage battery … ah la Elon Musk … costing …

    Industry suggestions published by Forbes claimed the 100MW battery farm would cost between $A200 million and $A240 million.

    Speaking to reporters on Saturday, Premier Jay Weatherill dismissed this price range and despite

    refusing to reveal the exact cost to taxpayers, he said the project would fall well within the $150 million set aside for renewable energy alternatives.

    Tesla’s battery division head Lyndon Rive originally suggested a price of $US400-600 kWh, which would put the cost of the 100MWh system at around $A66 million.

    Musk himself had previously quoted significantly less than prices previously suggested, with his estimates putting the system at around $A33 million.

    How much does this silly postal survey cost?

    $122, 000,000 ??? I’m sure you see my point …

    BTW all the things that, Mal-f-f-f-f-f-unction, lectured the energy “6th Formers” about is not a problem for Click Energy … they already do that and more …

    And another thing … The Minister suddenly said to me this arvo … bust fkn day, hey!

    She said, “We have to register to do this postal survey!” … now how many other people will make the same mistake?

    I can’t help thinking … this is really to help, Mal-f-f-f-f-f-unction, and then I think WTF for! Sort your own LNP shyte out …

    And deep down I know its always going to be about civil rights …

    Vote YES!

    I like the line from Insiders … post early and post often! Chuckle …

  81. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2017 8:24 am

    How much does this silly postal survey cost?

    Exactly. And let’s not forget, SA (and Aus generally) has a lack of power generation capacity (renewable or other) simply because of obbotts ant-renewable stance.

    He agitated against renewables, but didn’t offer any other alternatives. Saying ‘go coal’ is not giving the certainty investors need, especially when they can all see the end of coal on the ever closing horizon.

  82. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2017 8:30 am

    I’m a strong leader.

    A long shower should fix that reb 😉

  83. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 14, 2017 9:26 am

    CBA CEO to retire in 2018. What a surprise and he will receive his golden handshake and be thanked for all of his contribution to the CBA while the Bank has lurched from crisis to crisis the top arseholes simply walk away as though nothing has happened.

    Financial Services side shattered, Insurance Arm shattered, Reporting Honesty Shattered. All in the name of greed and profit.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2017 10:18 am

    CBA CEO to retire in 2018

    (I note that a sub-heading in the Guardian … is CBA CEO Retires (cough!) … 😉

    Weak as piss … he should have resigned over a year ago – and the chair of the board … they both have a duty of care towards the business, its shareholders and customers but more importantly to the laws of Australia … and national security.

    The pair of them (indeed all the board) should be languishing in jail!

    But of course we have a piss weak oops .. strong leader who just happens to be some sort of a super hero banker/investor/entrepreneur (not that any of those skills have been displayed in his present employment – he must be having a rest) and he needs to prepare for any leakage from his own investments … I suppose …

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2017 10:20 am

    All in the name of greed and profit.

    Yes its a shame that both words are now synonymous … I’ve always believed in capitalism … but I detest the current Uber Kapitalism … profit at any cost – especially to someone else …

    Klassix Robber Baron …

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2017 10:21 am

    A long shower should fix that reb 😉

    Now, now, he does live in Melbourne! 😀

  87. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 14, 2017 11:34 am

    TB

    What has amazed me is some of the comments on my industries blogsites where they are saying the CEO has been made the scapegoat of mischievous actions by lower staff.

    What an absolute load of crap, we all know the fish rots from the head. I must say one thing though and that is that this culture began long before Narev became CEO he just kept going with the model he inherited.

  88. August 14, 2017 4:51 pm

    “”CBA CEO to retire in 2018″”

    How amusement. Only last week he was telling Leigh Sales that he had “the full confidence of the board” and “wasn’t going anywhere..””

    It’s all so mind numbingly predictable…

    And as Shane says, no doubt he’ll walk away with a $40m golden handshake.

  89. August 14, 2017 5:34 pm

    l`m a strong leader is desperately strongly holding onto strongly his kiwi deputy strong leader so that he can continue strongly leading his stong one seat ahead strong government of strongly strongliness despite kiwi leader confirming strongly the strong deputy is certainly strongly a kiwi citizen by strong birth right.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2017 6:04 pm

    What has amazed me is some of the comments on my industries blogsites where they are saying the CEO has been made the scapegoat of mischievous actions by lower staff.

    Welcome to Groupthink, Shane …

    As a reminder to others …

    http://department.monm.edu/cata/McGaan/Classes/Scat302/Groupthk-symptoms.htm

    I must say one thing though and that is that this culture began long before Narev became CEO he just kept going with the model he inherited.

    As a management troubleshooter for more than one national company … I disagree, Shane … under the circumstances Narev was employed, it was his DUTY to stop the rot … if not he and the Chair of the Board at the very least should be CHARGED …

    … I know Diggers deployed to Iraq, Syria and – oddly enough Afghanistan! Supplying resources to the enemy is treason …

    Not that this government understands the concept wrapped up in profiteering themselves …

    BTW, you may have a touch of Groupthink!

    And as Shane says, no doubt he’ll walk away with a $40m golden handshake.

    Just like the bastards who were responsible for the GFC! (Read: “Too Big To Fail”)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    l`m a strong leader is desperately strongly holding onto strongly his kiwi deputy …

    Seems the Labor Party is the only party able to manger its members and the country …

    How the fk can to govern a country if you can’t manage your own party and people Mr MAL-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-unction?

  91. August 14, 2017 6:07 pm

    “under the circumstances Narev was employed, it was his DUTY to stop the rot … if not he and the Chair of the Board at the very least should be CHARGED …

    That’s not my experience.

    While we may never know, I suspect the Board simply turned a blind eye, so long as the profits kept rolling in and increased year on year.

    Keeping a safe distance allows for plausible deniability.

    The fact that he’s been allowed a more than gracious exit confirms they condoned his conduct (and still do).

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2017 6:11 pm

    Detect any PANIC here? (Just into my inbox)

    Bill Shorten wants to hit all Australians with more than $150 billion in higher taxes.

    Bill Shorten wants to hit all Australians with more than $150 billion in higher taxes.
    https://www.liberal.org.au/?utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=f34711cc46-20170814_shortens_latest_bill&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-f34711cc46-57938261
    T,
    Bill Shorten wants to hit all Australians with more than $150 billion in higher taxes.

    Shorten wants to increase taxes on your pay packet, on your home, on electricity, on small businesses and on investment.

    This would increase pressures on household budgets, damage the economy and cost jobs.

    Please LIKE and SHARE to spread the word. (https://www.facebook.com/LiberalPartyAustralia/photos/a.173321122463.160263.13561467463/10155483593152464/?type=3&theater&utm_source=Liberal+Party+E-news&utm_campaign=f34711cc46-20170814_shortens_latest_bill&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51af948dc8-f34711cc46-57938261)

    In contrast, the Coalition is implementing its plan that will:
    * grow our economy in order to create more and better paid jobs,
    * guarantee essentials services that Australians rely upon, and
    * reduce the cost of living pressures on Australian families.

    Regards,

    Scott Morrison
    Treasurer

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2017 6:16 pm

    That’s not my experience.

    Nor mine … but as “troubleshooter” I had a lot of “bombs” tossed my way!

    I suspect the Board simply turned a blind eye,

    YES I agree … but boards can be – for want of better word – “educated” to the consequences – and THAT can be unpleasant for the “messenger” too …

    Did I ever tell you The Minister once said to me, “I never know if you will come home one night without a job”!

    She’s still here after 50 years! Wonderful Lady!

  94. August 14, 2017 6:24 pm

    Like reb, l saw narev run the usual pr playbook on reportland and leigh didn`t really get much more. They can always seem to find another rotten fish head to replace the current rotten fish head with. The rotten fish heads continue to get $sqillions off shareholders for doing damage, and now committing/abetting crime. The absence of laws and law-enforcing at the top will one day bite the govt arse so hard, it will only take one kaboom! , both govt and narev has just been lucky so far.

  95. August 14, 2017 7:17 pm

    Groupthink _ Herdthink _ Clubthink _ Teamthink _ CultThink

    my abc __Daniel Taylor, 26, was charged with intending to use more than $2.25 million to import tobacco__

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-09/ibrahim-drug-raids-court-appearance/8788638

    # ,, don`t let`em lecture you too hard shane, most of`em can`t apply it. When l pointed out ages ago that the military-grade packaging on baccy won`t be `measurable` coz the massive tax-hikes will drive many to black market baccy and highly distort `quit` numbers. And l got wall of `teamthink` from just about everybody here for quite a while, which l gave the nickname `team-nanny-roxon`.

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2017 9:05 pm

    Still smokin’ tbagz … illegal baccy has been around since tax was applied!

    ‘Twere smuggled in by Poldark … FFS!

    BTW, the baccy corps lost their case in Singapore .. they must have been pissed off with plain packages!

  97. August 14, 2017 10:52 pm

    illegal __baccy has been around since tax was applied__

    # ,, correct. Nice to see the return of team nanny roxon teamthink.

    # ,, but you neglected to include `evidence` of how much illegal baccy, and when

    Hint, 08/2017 __more than $2.25 million to import tobacco__

  98. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2017 5:39 am

    but you neglected to include `evidence` of how much illegal baccy, and when

    As did you (hint, using one number doesn’t compare …. anything)

    http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/24/Suppl_2/ii76.full

    Please LIKE and SHARE to spread the word.

    (just don’t share it with the PBO) 😉

    The Parliamentary Budget Office has been forced to disown modelling released by the Turnbull government that claimed Labor’s tax plan would put a $150 billion tax bill on families and small businesses.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/parliamentary-budget-office-disowns-150-billion-turnbull-government-costing-20170814-gxvmad.html

  99. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2017 5:51 am

    BAAAAA rnaby lol

  100. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 15, 2017 7:45 am

    reb

    You are spot on , “keeping a safe distance allows for plausible deniability”

    Before it was sold our training was called In Focus. Focus on service, Focus on the Customer, Focus on accuracy, Focus on Honesty, Focus on Teamwork.

    Then it all changed

    Tell your team below you to achieve results but don’t determine how, import selling pressure techniques from the USA, however only discuss actual pressure on staff to achieve results by any means through personal conversation or phone calls, but never in writing, to ensure a trail to the top never existed.

    A manager in a country town west of Dubbo was made a terrible scapegoat for the first sales process introduced into the CBA in the 1990s. The loan decisions were made by head office because the manager could not approve the size of these loans, the manager was hailed a hero for exceeding all expectations, shit hit the fan when the economy started to falter, manager sacked, head office guys moved or promoted. The name of the process was called Individual Commitment to Excellence in Selling. ICES.

    The board and top management including the CEO could claim plausible deniability simply because they are so removed from reality. They tell the next management line what has to be achieved and then turn a blind eye to anything. Otherwise how can there be systemic failure in Financial Services Arm, Insurance Arm, Austrac Reporting Arm and now nonce again the Insurance Arm (through Credit Card Insurance).

    If selling Credit Card Insurance ( to protect you from unemployment or illness from your income) to students and the unemployed who will NEVER qualify for the benefit is rewarded to achieve targets, then the rot has set in from the head down.

  101. shaneinqld permalink
    August 15, 2017 7:50 am

    TB

    Detecting a lot of PANIC by the LNP

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2017 10:22 am

    , but you neglected to include `evidence` of how much illegal baccy, and when

    ‘Cause its illegal you dork! There ARE no official counts … shakes head

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Parliamentary Budget Office has been forced to disown modelling

    Another – “it would be comical if it wasn’t so serious but too many Australians will believe the shyte” – moments!

    We’ll wait for the emailed retraction? Will we?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Detecting a lot of PANIC by the LNP

    And now MAL-f-f-f-f-f-f-unction has “found” five “possible” Labor pollies who “may have” dual citizenship …

    news.com.au is having a conniption over it!

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/citizenship-scandals-to-hit-labor-with-governments-sights-set-on-five-mps/news-story/9107606d3cedbc87a40cb4f75cc09e23

    With any luck Rupert The Robber Baron will wank himself to death …

    And that other LNP wanker Georgie Brandy couldn’t stop dribbling last night (7:30 Report) he almost choked on the drivel he was spouting …

    This mob just has to go … I blame the Yanks!

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2017 10:23 am

    The Parliamentary Budget Office has been forced to disown modelling

    Noice find, BTW, TR! Thanks!

  104. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2017 10:32 am

    Priceless

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2017 11:27 am

    Why the Catholic Church is DISEASED! By sick old white men …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/15/melbourne-archbishop-says-hed-rather-go-to-jail-than-report-child-abuse-heard-in-confession

  106. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 15, 2017 11:50 am

    Tom R

    The hypocrisy of Barnaby Joyce is utterly astounding and I hope it is raised in Question Time.

  107. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2017 12:36 pm

    and I hope it is raised in Question Time.

    I’m pretty sure it will

    As well as this stupidty about Labor ‘conspiring’ with a foreign power.

    They asked a public questions ffs ROFL

  108. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2017 1:34 pm

    Unbelievable. And all because they are too lazy to check their heritage

  109. shaneinqld permalink
    August 15, 2017 2:05 pm

    Julie Bishop is hysterical on ethics. This form the woman who fought asbestos victims on behalf of the Asbestos Industry.

    Julie look back at your own ethics first I would suggest.

  110. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2017 3:30 pm

    This is just getting ridiculous.

    This mob have just assumed they are above the law

  111. shaneinqld permalink
    August 15, 2017 3:59 pm

    Reading the last few sentences of this report shows that the USA has become a dictatorship along the lines of North Korea anyway. All to scared of retribution to stand up for what is right. What a sad time for the so called bastion of democracy and freedom.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/world-business/mercks-leader-took-a-stand-against-trump-what-about-the-other-ceos-20170815-gxwjh6.html

  112. August 15, 2017 4:04 pm

    There __ARE no official counts__

    # ,, correct, and l`ve said so, all along.

    # ,, the team nanny roxon echo chamber `rapidly` screamed success after millitary grade packaging (and massive tax hikes) was applied; and pointed to lower `white` market baccy sales figures as evidence.

    # ,, what is missing from the teamthink echo chamber is; the `soaring` quit numbers from quit organizations to somewhat `match` the `plunge` in the `white` market. Hint, quit org/s numbers remained at `usual` incremental level.

  113. August 15, 2017 4:44 pm

    Julie Bishop is hysterical on ethics. This form the woman who had no problem with israel/mossad using Aust passports for crimes in 3rd countries. Always has been a #brainless.bitch

    Which of course makes her the `perfect` deputy zombie.

  114. August 15, 2017 5:36 pm

    Hey armchair, did you catch the greenz 4corners episode last night? You might want to check it out. lt seems the jonestown-rhiannon sub-group is fcuking things up for the rest of the greenz.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2017 6:07 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/15/raging-auspol-fever-hits-as-coalition-loses-its-mind-over-citizenship

    heheheheh!

    Don’t PANIC Mr MAL-e-e-e-e-erring! LOL! ROTFLMAO!

    So where are the Crusaders? Come out, come out wherever you are … ? Chuckle!

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2017 6:11 pm

    All we need now is to find out Dopey Dutton has/”is entitled” to dual citizenship!

    Oh! How we would giggle and chortle!

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2017 6:24 pm

    And from the Mordoch Bunkers …

    Ms Bishop told reporters in Canberra it would be “very difficult to build trust” with a Labour government should the opposition party win the upcoming New Zealand election, which will be held on September 23.

    I somehow have a suspicion that Death Stare Bishop won’t have to be concerned about “building trust” with the next NZ Labour government … LOL!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/citizenship-scandal-could-spread-to-labor-party-after-barnaby-joyce-confirmed-a-kiwi/news-story/10be0741fe5b9de9771dfe386adfc729

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2017 6:33 pm

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-ann-sudmalis-scrambling-to-confirm-uk-citizenship-status-20170815-gxwcov.html

    No wonder MAL–f-f–f-f-f-f-f—f-f-f——–f-f-function wants to go to war with The Trump Trollop!

  119. August 15, 2017 7:30 pm

    CHRISTINE MILNE: They said they would not join the Australian Greens unless they could regard their elected members as delegates to be directed by a committee in NSW and they had no ability of their own to make decisions.

    That was really hard-fought and it was apparent that there would be NO Australian Greens unless NSW was given an exemption and therein lies the problem that has been with us for more than 25 years.

    BOB BROWN: It’s not just the members who have been cheated there, it’s the voters.

    Voters like to have an MP they like the look of getting in and being true to her or his electoral platform and performance.

    The NSW Greens don’t trust that or the voters.

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2017/08/10/4716390.htm

    +++snip+++

    # ,, in short, the looney nsw-greenz frighten voters away from aust-greenz

    LOUISE MILLIGAN: Former Greens Leader, Christine Milne, is venting years of frustration at her NSW colleagues.

    CHRISTINE MILNE: Grassroots democracy in NSW is a smokescreen.

    The members in NSW don’t know the half of what goes on.

    They only know what a central committee allows them to know.

    As the leader of the Australian Greens, I wasn’t able to directly contact the members in NSW.

    The central committee in NSW would decide whether it was appropriate that I contact the members, when I could contact them, and they also exercised the right to censor what I had to say.

    +++snip+++

    The NSW Greens champion consensus – meaning 75 per cent of delegates must agree to a decision for a vote to be carried.

    But that means that a quarter of the delegates can, if they organise effectively, block the majority. Lee Rhiannon’s faction is accused of regularly using this tactic.

    JUSTIN FIELD, NSW GREENS MLC: You’ll have a few people block just everything as a matter of course.

    # ,, l find it hard to believe dinatal, brown and milne are merely `bullying` rhiannan and don`t have `legit` complaints @@armchair

  120. August 15, 2017 8:05 pm

    lf the 4corners, milne, dinatal, brown side is correct, the jonesland-greenz are quite `animal-farm` aren`t they.

  121. August 15, 2017 8:56 pm

    lt IS the braindead-adf, yes, yes it certainly is. Before ol`trainy trainy starts bleating, he should watch tonights sbs-insight episode with jacqi-lambie.

  122. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2017 6:05 am

    what is missing from the teamthink echo chamber is; the `soaring` quit numbers from quit organizations

    I’ll assume that you’ll ignore this link as adroitly as you ignored my last.

    It happens when your head is stuck so far up your own fundament to see the reality

    The body of studies considered for the PIR show that the tobacco plain packaging measure is having an impact by reducing the appeal of tobacco products, increasing the effectiveness of health warnings, and reducing the ability of the pack to mislead. The studies also provide early evidence of positive changes to actual smoking and quitting behaviours.

    http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/content/tobacco-plain-packaging-evaluation

  123. Big`Bad`Teabag permalink
    August 16, 2017 7:46 am

    gvtv6f

    I`ll __assume that you’ll ignore this link as adroitly as you ignored my last__

    # ,, wrong T-C, l checked both. l`m not looking for mere statements saying “we-reduced”, what l`m looking for is actual `numbers`/data (year by year or quarter by quarter) EG white market sales fell `x` and quit-orgs increased `y` for 2017, and 2016, and 2015

    (then l can estimate the black market size)

    +++

    l just saw bananaland greenz larisa waters on latelineland. No matter how much emma pushed waters about should have tried to dodge like barney has, waters was intelligent and ethical from start to finish, she was wrong, law was clear, her fault, nobody elses. Ludlam was the same according to waters. Class act and excellent person all the way. Big loss to the rest of us. (probably ludlam too)

  124. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2017 8:56 am

    l`m not looking for mere statements

    You really are lost, aren’t you. Did you read any of the scientific studies that were linked to from that assessment, you know, the ones with the numbers?

    then l can estimate the black market size

    So, back to coloured carton counting. There is so much data in that one link, but you’ll shows ’em, won’t ya ROFL

  125. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2017 9:08 am

    The level of stupid displayed by our grubmint is akin to that shown by certain ccc’s here

  126. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2017 9:11 am

    fer the ccc

  127. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2017 10:32 am

  128. shaneinqld permalink
    August 16, 2017 10:56 am

    One Nation wants the ABC to have the words Fair and Balanced inserted into its charter as it is funded by the taxpayer.

    One Nation is also funded by the taxpayer and as such those pricks should also have Fair and Balanced inserted into their charter as well.

    Malcolm Roberts would have to be one of the least Fair and Balanced persons I am aware of in regards to Climate Change and human activity. The big hypocrite.

  129. shaneinqld permalink
    August 16, 2017 11:20 am

    We have a terrible outbreak of a nasty flu. I had it for 2 weeks myself. The media are asking why are people still going to work when they have the flu, stay at home.

    Well there are reasons people now go to work with the flu, even my own sister.

    1) Pressure from management to turn up at all costs.
    2) Threats of dismissal if taking sick leave.
    3) There will be no relief and you will simply have twice the work for the number of days you are away.
    4) Casuals do not get sick leave and as a result do not get paid if they stay home.
    5) Casuals NEED MONEY to survive and pay bills.

    Honestly do these cretins even understand what happens as you casualise and destroy the middle class.

    You think it is bad now, it will only get worse year by year.

  130. shaneinqld permalink
    August 16, 2017 12:42 pm

    The blood sucking leeches in Parliament have all had their allowances increased due to cost of living increases in Canberra, while the arseholes lowered Penalty Rates for the likes of my sister on low and casual income.

    So sick to death of where our country is heading. The greed of corporations and our politicians knows no boundaries anymore. Not one MP has offered not to accept this increase and give it to the poor or the disabled or charity. Nope just siphon off as much as you can you greedy arseholes.

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2017 3:43 pm

    Nope just siphon off as much as you can you greedy arseholes.

    Even after they lose their seat! Ad infinitum!

  132. August 16, 2017 8:02 pm

    Did __you read any of the scientific studies__

    # ,, yes T-C i did, a `pir` pdf 57-pages, but didn`t contain the info l am after.

    # ,, `if` the info `is` buried in `any` of them, then its a bit of a failure on those promoting team nanny roxon.

    # ,, the first rule of teamsmanship is promote the team, the first rule of victories is promote the victory.

    EXAMPLE

    * jan/2009 annual baccy white market sales `number` (link direct to baccy industry-group)

    * jan/2009 annual smoke quitters `number` (link direct to quit-org)

    * jan/2010 annual baccy white market sales `number` (link industry-group)

    * jan/2010 annual smoke quitters `number` (link quit-org)

    * jan/2011 Tax hikes and `packaging` BEGINS !!!

    * jan/2011 annual baccy white market sales `number` (link industry-group)

    * jan/2011 annual smoke quitters `number` (link quit-org)

    * jan/2012 annual baccy white market sales `number` (url industry-group)

    * jan/2012 annual smoke quitters `number` (url quit-org)

  133. Quitting Quitting permalink
    August 16, 2017 10:02 pm

    (….learn how to smoke Winnie Blues….)

  134. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2017 8:51 am

    then its a bit of a failure on those promoting team nanny roxon.

    It was unequivocal

    The studies also provide early evidence of positive changes to actual smoking and quitting behaviours.

    I’ll leave you to count coloured cartons into the future in your never ending need to hate everyone and everything

    “And never live in Adelaide” lol, nice one meta

  135. shaneinqld permalink
    August 17, 2017 9:00 am

    Fairfax allowed this comment to be posted. I am totally disgusted especially since I have a Down Syndrome Niece. The last 2 sentences are disgusting.

    ALP Apologist

    The hated NDIS is an unaffordable ALP con.
    We don’t need it.
    The nation can’t afford it.
    Why should we squander Billions on non-productive members of society.
    That is not the role of government.

  136. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2017 9:00 am

    Honestly do these cretins even understand what happens as you casualise and destroy the middle class.

    I think the answer is an unequivocal (again) YES

    The question is, do they enjoy the misery they create, or does their greed just override their empathy?

  137. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2017 9:08 am

    Why should we squander Billions on non-productive members of society.

    Do they mean kiwi politicians?

  138. shaneinqld permalink
    August 17, 2017 9:10 am

    Must give Fairfax credit the comment has been removed.

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2017 10:31 am

    Why should we squander Billions on non-productive members of society.

    Some “people” really degenerated to rhetoric of the 1930’s so quickly its astonishing …

    The commenter certainly doesn’t understand the risks that living a “normal” life can bring “anyone”, anywhere, anytime at any age!

    Benefits of living within a society seem to be forgotten in the Technology Age …

    It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when the plug is pulled!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Must give Fairfax credit the comment has been removed.

    News Ltd would follow up with a story agreeing with it …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I just had a thought flash!

    Does MAL-f-f-f-f-f-f-unction have Cayman Island citizenship? 😮

  140. August 17, 2017 5:15 pm

    T-C __do they enjoy the misery they create__

    # ,, definitely yes, there is a tyranny aspect to a lot of what they do, EG incinerate billions of treasury to persecute boaties in gulags.

    +++

    You`re teamthink really makes you misunderstand me T-C. l would be quite happy to report to you (EG 80% of white market sales drops are `quitters` and only 20% go black market) if the numbers show it. Unfortunately l haven`t seen quit-orgs overwhelmed in quitters, so it is quite reasonable to deduce 98% of white-sales falls transfered to black. l find the kilometers of page-waffle scribbled in support of team nanny roxons packs/tax; while failing to do a highly effective, easy to digest `Listed-Timeline` (example-above) an `extraordinary` oversight of the echo chamber.

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2017 6:16 pm

    I detest Pauline Hanson and all One Nation, stands for, sits down for, or lays down for … they are twits of the lowest order … BUT …

    … I also detest the burqa …

    If overseas female visitors to Islamic countries are expected to show respect by wearing head-covering, because it is offensive to the culture (Hanson got that right it IS NOT a religious requirement) … then …

    … Australian culture should be respected by Muslims … we are an OPEN society … and read people’s NVCs and respect women’s right to wear what they want … if they chose a burqa … then their face (70% of NVCs are facial expression) should be exposed …

    If Muslims are here to become Australian there should be no problem … if its for “other reasons” then – why come here?

    Unfortunately, Hanson does have a point …

  142. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2017 7:05 pm

    Unfortunately, Hanson does have a point …

    If you ignore a little thing called ‘multi-culture’

    So, do we force Sikhs to get rid of head (whatever they are’s)

    Make Hindus get rid of that dot in their forehead?

    Tell poms to wash? 😉

  143. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2017 7:11 pm

    do a highly effective, easy to digest `Listed-Timeline` (example-above) an `extraordinary` oversight of the echo chamber.

    So Precious, scientific articles that show evidence of quit rates just aint good enough, you need a pie chart or something.

  144. August 17, 2017 7:27 pm

    Oh nanny, my nanny. ^^

    +

    Hey teebz, did you see reportland last night, (as-predicted) the chopped-up telegraph-wirez are a total pig-sty and underpaid sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-contractors just walk away from many jobs.

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2017 7:30 pm

    So, do we force Sikhs to get rid of head (whatever they are’s)

    Make Hindus get rid of that dot in their forehead?

    Tell poms to wash? 😉

    I think the burqa is different … you do realise that male terrorists use the burqa as a disguise?

    And courts have ruled that witnesses remove burqas …

    And BTW, I’m not a fan of multi culturalism … I’ve yet to see any benefit …

    And I have showered every day since I boarded the immigrant ship in Southampton … sometimes twice … (only bathtubs in my house – hate ’em still) … 🙂

    Oh, and Sikhs wear turbans … a family just moved in across the road … ignorant prick he is … four times I’ve tried to say “g’day” or “hello” … always got the turned back … and that’s one more courtesy than I give new neighbours … and he’s another fkn taxi jockey …

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2017 7:32 pm

    you need a pie chart or something.

    Nah, bar charts are more descriptive (I thoroughly enjoyed Statistics!)

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2017 7:44 pm

    Hey teebz, did you see reportland last night,/I>

    No, tbagz, turned TV off and went sleep … BUT … I just read the transcript … so I’m not surprised … as usual with MAL-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-unction’s Mob total confusion …

    And these Dickwits criticised the insulation batts scheme … poor management is poor management … at least they aren’t dealing with the risk of deadly AC voltage … however, there are other risks – confined space being the most obvious along with earth moving equipment.

  148. August 17, 2017 8:09 pm

    Do you remember a certain dumbfcuk bleating about his block of units `cut` telegraph-wirez (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2017 8:19 pm

    Malcolm. Strong as a used teabag

    That’s insulting, tbagz 😀

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2017 8:24 pm

    Chuckle … last sentence is the “clincher” … speaks to direct or indirect …

    Canberra – The Rumble in The Jungle! LOL!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/senator-in-hot-water-on-business-dealings/news-story/2b92982110e6f5771d9bf80f7107c5c7

    Knowledge really IS power!

  151. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2017 9:46 pm

    This mob are just pathetic, and low

  152. Staying, Quiet permalink
    August 17, 2017 11:20 pm

    (Knowledge really IS power!

    Perhaps: “I can advise honourable Senators that on the basis of the solicitor-general’s advice the PM has indicated to me that he sees no reason for me to stand aside from my portfolio responsibilities.”)

  153. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2017 6:16 am

    he sees no reason for me to stand aside from my portfolio responsibilities.

    As long as someone
    else picks up the tab
    😉

  154. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 18, 2017 7:17 am

    TB

    Totally agree I detest the Burqa as well. It is technically not a religious garment. There is no other religious item that deprives people of seeing the face and expressions of intent of those they are interacting with in public.

    I detest Pauline but she is correct on this. How about the LNP have a plebiscite on this matter as well, after all it is another religious issue like the SSM issue

  155. shaneinqld permalink
    August 18, 2017 7:20 am

    The LNP have a cabinet meeting and determine Fiona Nash will keep her positions.

    Talk about Born To Rule Arrogance.

    A cabinet meeting and not our constitution determines who is in our parliament.

    Unbelievable !!!!!!!

    They should be removed for refusing to abide by the constitution. They are turning into a dictatorship.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2017 9:28 am

    They should be removed for refusing to abide by the constitution. They are turning into a dictatorship.

    Time for another DD, methinks … although Sir Peter Cosgrove seems to lean to the right – quite a bit …

  157. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2017 9:46 am

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2017 11:40 am

    LOL! Sum cleva folk around!

  159. August 18, 2017 4:15 pm

    l`m a strong leader is also desperately strongly holding onto strongly his britannia senator strong minister so that he can continue strongly claiming during parliament break he is the strong leader of the strong government of strongly strongliness so that his partyroom will not separate him from his strong leadership strongly.

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2017 1:56 am

    …I detest Pauline but she is correct on this. How about the LNP have a plebiscite on this matter as well, after all it is another religious issue like the SSM issue…

    Won’t work shane and it’s the reason that george brandis had such a spray yesterday. If we won’t allow their [muslims] freedom of religion, it’s possible to not allow christian freedoms either eg right to discriminate etc

    Organised religion is quite united when it comes to self interest and protecting their privilege.

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2017 8:52 am

    KL, just read that NBN story … and the comments below .. some twerp called Payback defending the disaster we still call NBN …

    Some people can only see as far as the tip of their nose …

    My Telstra cable still gives me 36Mbps … when I “have” to go to NBN (2018) … I can only get 25Mbps at the same price … I need to pay an additional $20 to go to 50Mbps … or I can simply change my Bigpond email address and join up with Aussiebroadband and get 100Mbps for the same price I pay now!

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2017 11:29 am

    My Telstra cable still gives me 36Mbps … when I “have” to go to NBN (2018) … I can only get 25Mbps at the same price … I need to pay an additional $20 to go to 50Mbps

    Same here TB, my area has been NBN ready for about 6 mths, at first I was excited to go over but then started reading all the complaints. I’m going to stay on ADSL 2+ for as long as possible now, despite being flooded with NBN offers!

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2017 12:27 pm

    Religious zealots (like Abbott) who oppose same-sex marriage are trying to impose sharia law
    http://secrets-1.com/whats-happening-now/religious-zealots-like-abbott-who-oppose-same-sex-marriage-are-trying-to-impose-sharia-law/

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2017 7:08 pm

    Saw Arnie this morning! He nails it!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    ODDem does too! Great analogy!

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2017 7:35 pm

    Nick Zylophone has dual citizenship!

    I want to know:

    DOES MAL-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-unction HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP WITH THE CAYMAN ISLANDS?

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