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Marriage Equality is not Malcolm Turnbull’s victory to claim

November 15, 2017

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While many of us are breathing a collective sigh of relief that the Marriage Equality postal survey delivered a landslide victory for the YES supporters, it would be disingenuous for Malcolm Turnbull to claim the outcome as a victory for his leadership.

Desperate to claim credit for almost anything that may resuscitate his dire polling, the PM has been hitting the airwaves to claim that the massive turnout is a vindication for his decision to inflict the postal plebiscite on the Australian public.

Make no mistake, many LGBTIQ people didn’t want this divisive plebiscite. We didn’t want to be subjected to the slanders, the undermining of our relationships, the attacks on our families, yet Turnbull went ahead all the same.

The plebiscite was always about delaying marriage equality. Orchestrated by prominent NO supporter Tony Abbott, the plebiscite (or postal survey as it later emerged) unleashed a torrent of abuse and accusations that had little to do with the matter at hand – allowing loving couples to marry.

The fact that Turnbull caved in to the postal survey proposal demonstrates his weakness as a leader. The fact that so many people voted isn’t vindication of his decision to go ahead with the postal survey. We didn’t have a choice.

Marriage equality wasn’t achieved because of Malcolm Turnbull. It was achieved despite him. It’s not his victory to claim.

 

 

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  1. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 16, 2017 5:55 am

    Totally agree reb Malcolm thinks that by standing there claiming some sort of victory that he will be seen as a hero. Actually he is seen as a spineless weakling who does not have the guts to stand up for what he believes in rather than submit to RWNJ. He is seen by the right as an enemy and he is seen by the left as just another RWNJ. Problem is most of us are not left or right but rather in the middle. Those of us in the middle are now more disillusioned as he has capitulated to the right and thrown out everything he believed in to keep his job. He was admired for his conservative yet progressive style, that all went out the window with his desire to please the ultra right. Now he is simply seen as a slithering politician, doing anything to keep his job and compromising all of his values and integrity. This $122,000,000 waste of taxpayers money is not some sort of saviour for the LNP it is a noose around their neck that will be remembered at election time for the crawling to the right and religious nutters that it truly was. What it did do is show that society supports LGBTIQ members of the community much more than many of us thought. What it did show was that so many people voted to spite the survey as most did not think it was necessary. What it did show was that the polls were right and Tony Abbott and the rest of the miserable religious cronies were wrong. What it did show was that parents support their children no matter what the sexual orientation over religious brainwashing and lies. What it did show is that we are progressive not conservative. I also think the result shows that never ever again, should a government spend this ridiculous amount of money on a survey instead of doing their job.

  2. November 16, 2017 10:35 am

    Yep, spot on Shane.

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2017 11:37 am

    For a couple of days it has almost felt like the old australia, the one we were proud of and glad we lived in, the days before john howard. It felt nice, I felt a nostalgic yearning for the days before hatred and division ruled.

    The Abbott monster is taking credit too…

    TONY ABBOTT BACKPEDALS AND TAKES CREDIT FOR SSM
    http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/national-news/tony-abbott-backpedals-marriage-equality/163875

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2017 11:50 am

    We have to stop the taxpayer funding of religion, it is the reason the country is being held hostage to religious influence and nonsense.

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2017 12:24 pm

    I don’t think NZ should care about relations with us

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2017 7:48 pm

    We have to stop the taxpayer funding of religion, it is the reason the country is being held hostage to religious influence and nonsense.

    But … but … what about religious freedom … Whatever TF that is?

    What about MY non-religious freedom?

    I hear you, KL!

    And people who used to comment here called ME a bigot? Fkn hypocrites all …

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2017 7:53 pm

    “He had previously called the Yes campaign “a war on our way of life”.” re The Mad Abbott …

    I know who and what is waging a war on Australians’ way of life …

    And whatever happened to Pedo Pell?

  8. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 18, 2017 11:18 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/18/government-shields-directors-after-taxpayers-foot-16bn-wage-dues

    How despicable is this. The biggest welfare recipients are the top and it is maddening. Where the hell is that Cash woman with the hysterical voice about this, still screaming about a few hundred dollars from a union. The ALP needs to use this information to its fullest extent to show hoe the LNP care for the top and not the bottom. We now know why they needed to slash payments to the poor. So they could prop up the lifestyle of the top criminals and thieves

  9. November 18, 2017 4:59 pm

    l agree reb/shane/@post The moment “l`m-a-stong-leader” spent the $122-mill. He `proved` he wasn`t. The only thing he proved is he is NOT fit-for `purpose` again, in a `godwin`-like telegraph wire-like fashion, yet again. Sorry talcum swooners. What a fcuking weak dud.

  10. shaneinqld permalink
    November 18, 2017 5:34 pm

    So the vote was a resounding yes by 62% but the right wing fuckers want their 38% minority permitted to introduce discriminatory laws. These are the same arseholes who claim a mandate when they are elected on 37% Primary vote and rely on preferences to keep their jobs and then treat those who did not vote for them (Namely those with social beliefs)with scorn and derision and pass laws to attack them and their government support. If Malcolm capitulates to Cory and Tony he will lose the next election by a landslide. 70% of Australia are not RWNJ and as such laws should not be agreed to at all.

  11. shaneinqld permalink
    November 18, 2017 5:35 pm

    Yes TB Pedo Pell seems to have disappeared under the radar, what is happening there ?

  12. shaneinqld permalink
    November 18, 2017 5:39 pm

    KL. When Australia became the first country to recognise Scientology as a religion, and grant it tax free status, the writing was on the wall for the country.
    When the Brethren ( lots out near Condobolin) leaders (while not permitting their own slaves to vote) push for others to vote for the LNP then religion is becoming a bigger influence in our politics not less like should be happening.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2017 7:28 pm

    Senator Bernardi attempted to further rally the religious troops, saying if only half the ‘no’ voters elected “decent Senate candidates” at the next election there would be up to a dozen politicians in the upper house to drive change.

    “We can no longer be silent, we can no longer sit back and rely on prayer to change the course of earthly events,” he said.

    “Prayer is important – never underestimate that. If you want to pray for things, pray for strength for those who are leading in this battle.”

    These people are sick … as in a Medieval Plague … change laws to suit the Catholic Church … Jesus fkn Christ!

    And they talk about religious freedoms … SECULAR FREEDOMS … if you want christian “freedoms” (’cause you don’t really want “religious freedom” for muslims/hindus/sikhs ad infinitum) go to PNG … or south America or the US of A deep south!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/failed-no-campaign-a-success-bernardi/news-story/4d5bda1f35249e84a89539da742b36c7

    Bring out yer dead!

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2017 9:16 pm

    Father Desmond O’Donnell said Christians of any denomination need to accept Christmas now has no sacred meaning.

    Dopey Dick!

    It never did have any “sacred meaning” FFS! It was hijacked by yer fkn religion … along with easter … and many other local “customs” and “celebrations” … ignorant hypocrite …

    And why are celibate boofheads called fkn “father” when they have no concept of the word or its meaning!

    More Medieval Crap!

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/18/irish-catholic-priest-urges-christians-to-abandon-the-word-christmas

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2017 9:25 pm

    “I’m just trying to rescue the reality of Christmas for believers by giving up ‘Christmas’ and replacing it with another word.”

    Try – Bullshit … or Bernadi Day … Abbott’s Gift … Howard Fest … perhaps celebrate Christ Day on the day he was actually born (or thereabouts) …

    Actually WGAFF …

  16. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 20, 2017 10:42 am

    I really want Malcolm to be replaced by a conservative like Tony Abbott or Peter Dutton because if they think they will get a better result with a RWNJ then bring it on. They will be decimated even worse.

    Malcolm is looking very tired and haggard from all the infighting and the weight of his conscience for backflipping on his beliefs to stay in power has made him wither and wilt.

  17. November 21, 2017 10:04 am

    >From afar; the bananaland election looks like “Both-Are-Duds” recycled and regurgitated by the duopoly. On telly l totally enjoyed seeing the teabag-panic when the churno asked `if they were pref-dealing with team pauline` and the tap-dancing to avoid giving a direct answer. What`s your take shane, do they look as crappy up-close as they do from afar? Can frontyard signage save the day. (-:

  18. November 21, 2017 10:26 am

    More on the dud front. Team knife are running KK in the bennalong by-election, and making much `ado` about it. l think the short-odd bet is kk won`t make it. KK was bounced as a very unpopular jonesland premier, and bennalong is usually a teabag seat, and when they finally did toss the teabag, knife-play and self implosion followed. (tho quite frankly, l wouldn`t mind kk getting up and sometime, in a back to the future moment, knifing blib)

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2017 1:13 pm

    The local One Nation candidate lives across the street (rental home) … turns out he has lost his builders licence SEVEN times … that’s probably why a finance company was trying to contact him … the dickheads phoned me and asked me if I would drop a note in his letterbox! FFS! “NO!”

    ON pick up all the wanker wannabe pollies – who can’t earn an honest crust … and see $$$$ in government …

  20. drainTheSwampTeabag.0jkm@gishpuppy.com permalink
    November 21, 2017 7:39 pm

    l hope a lot of bananalanders vote 1-greenz, 2-pauline, 3-knife and 4-teabag. lt would send all those `no-deal` fcukwits in the duopoly right into hysteria having to `deal` with the minors. (-: Too often tho, many seats around Aust have `entrenched` duds in them, and the voters `choice` is merely dud swappimg. Good luck!

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2017 11:13 am

    The Federal Government is considering a policy that will allow manufacturers to remove the weight measurement from the front of an item’s packaging.

    According to Mr Laundy, the introduction of this new policy will benefit consumers, businesses and industry alike, particularly focusing on how this measure would improve trade in Australia.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/the-sneaky-new-trick-companies-could-start-using-to-rip-you-off/news-story/296f1bbdb6f9f5c716931b1e3c0fafdc

    How many votes does big business actually fkn buy?

    Whatever happened to government for the PEOPLE of Australia … not the PROFIT obsessed Robber Barons …

  22. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 22, 2017 3:29 pm

    Tea Bag

    I don’t think either side are inspiring, however I can certainly do with another 3 years of the so called ALP do nothing government in comparison to 3 years of the LNP madness the 3 years before.

    TB

    So sad you have the ON candidate being that close to you. I agree they are loser candidates, just like Malcolm Roberts. Nut jobs with hysterical beliefs and conspiracy theories wanting to get onto the government teat and our taxes. I truly hope they win no seats at all.

    I have seen the satellite images of the devastation to forests as a result of Newman’s capitulation and support for bulldozing everything in sight. That is enough to make me not vote the LNP for a good many years. 645,000 hectares each year and counting.

  23. shaneinqld permalink
    November 22, 2017 3:30 pm

    BOO

    I want KK to win just to witness the expression on the LNPs and Malcolm’s faces.

  24. shaneinqld permalink
    November 22, 2017 3:32 pm

    TB

    That is a disgrace regarding the weight not being provided because they mislead us with box sizes to start with, so if we do not know the weight then we are truly hoodwinked. FFS when is this government going to get its head out of business arse and look after all of us. They all must have the brownest tongues form licking arses.

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2017 1:04 pm

    Unilever backs down over Streets boycott!

    Unions! BOO! General Public! BOO!

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2017 6:57 pm

    I know Amazon.au is “testing” … but jeese! Kindle ????? FMD!

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2017 7:03 pm

    Really “testing” … luckily I have a Sony 1 and 3 (for backup) … unfortunately Sony have exited the ebook market … so much for “competition” …

  28. November 24, 2017 10:10 am

    Streets and unilever! #suck.it.up.teabags (-:

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2017 2:11 pm

  30. November 28, 2017 8:22 pm

    1. burke is a grub 2. reportland reckons it was a secret burke was a grub 3. not a secret, l heard several times over the years burke was a grub from tradies and suppliers in different parts(states) of the country 4. burke was protected by a handfull of grubs in the network boardroom, and the feminista of the day that would not rock the boat to protect their own high earnings 5. these are the facts you need to know before the resident feminista returns from the echo chamber to screech at us all men have power and all men are bastards and they all protect the grub burke (-: (-: (-: (-:

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2017 12:03 pm

    …burke was protected by a handfull of grubs in the network boardroom, and the feminista of the day that would not rock the boat to protect their own high earnings 5. these are the facts you need to know before the resident feminista returns from the echo chamber to screech at us all men have power.

    The facts are enough in themselves.Australian men are completely gutless when it comes to challenging power in the workplace. What ‘feminista of the day’ had anything like the power in their jobs to challenge and change the system? If they tried, they would have been shown the door immediately.

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2017 12:04 pm

  33. November 29, 2017 2:10 pm

    Tweet,,, This is utter BS. He’s laying a fake foundation/sowing seeds of doubt, in preparation for any facts about allegations of sexual misconduct__ Correct. Lets hope grimshore doesn’t claim feminista-cred while giving burke damage control opportunities. There has been lots of burke smoke from many fires over the years. Spicer is unfortunately slamming the gate shut after the horse has bolted and long ago dropped dead. Back in the days of burke, ita and lisa were editors of mags, spicer, mammamia and other women were on the networks, all probably making great cash for the time and having contacts, which is power, to feminista-gurus like greer and summers. Surely with so many burke victims, they could have quietly funded a lawyer to drag burke by the nads into court with even just one victim.

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2017 12:42 am

    That Burke interview was very soft I thought.I usually avoid ch 9 because it’s always been such a ‘blokey’ channel, is there a culture there, does it come from the top?

  35. November 30, 2017 10:13 am

    l always avoid the grimshore fakenews but had burke/grimshore foisted upon me via reportland. 100%-agree, Good call ao, lt was soft fluff, arse covering to me as well. The networks do seem to have a lot of oink,oink, oink problems (radio-too) from what l’ve seen. All ultimately are culture and leadership failures. Matt Laur got smoked for oink today too (-: The barney post is interesting, Lets see where it goes.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2017 10:53 am

    That Burke interview was very soft I thought.I usually avoid ch 9 because it’s always been such a ‘blokey’ channel, is there a culture there, does it come from the top?

    I avoid adverts these days very easy to do … but I did watch the Bourke/Grimshaw show … some of the accusations are just that …

    I can’t find a transcript but one question … comment went like this:

    Grimshaw: ” I was told by a producer that he had heard that … ”

    Now I’m no fan of Burke … but I also think that the clip of him saying “I like nothing better than a good fk” was actually in context with the title of the Episode – “Do Australians Swear Too Much?” … a double entendre yes … sexual harassment? On national TV … nah …

    Can I remember what I said at a party 20 years ago? … I can’t remember two years ago!

  37. November 30, 2017 12:11 pm

    Looks like ol trainy trainy thinks the network would put burkes oink oink to air, instead of leaving it on the cutting room floor. The oink oink most likely occured OFF-camera teebz. Wrong side of history. He is a grub that cops a feel at every chance, and talks filth to women at every chance.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2017 5:05 pm

    Do you know it was cut? If so – why is being shown now? Times a-changing perhaps? And don’tget “illusional” that I’m defending the prat – I just don’t know – neither do you or anyone else … I’ve terminated the employment of two dickheads in two different workplaces for sexual innuendo, touching and harassment … and investigated and dismissed a “frivolous” (actually a bitter breakup – never date a fellow employee!) accusation …

    Hearsay is hearsay, whoever its is … arseholes included … if there IS serious complaints they should now be with the police … not Tracey Grimshaw’s “investigative team” …

    just sayin’ …

    And BTW, I was told that you’d been sending porn to one of the Trashers, tbagz, is it true!

  39. November 30, 2017 5:06 pm

    Haw! Haw! Haw! “im a strong leader” is having a royal-comm into banking coz the big4 banks told him to have one. lt doesn’t get any more screwy than this folks!

  40. November 30, 2017 6:24 pm

    Totally wrong. The only porn l have is your photos of your youthfull sexual experimentation in your adf-days. And l did not send them to one trasher. But to everybody on w0rdpres (-: (-: (-: This one is smoked too,,, Elizabeth Wagmeister and Ramin Setoodeh, two Variety reporters, said they had been working for months on a story about sexual harassment allegations by multiple women against Matt Lauer.,,, http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-30/matt-lauer-fired-over-alleged-sexual-misconduct/9209196

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2017 1:31 pm

    Totally wrong. The only porn l have is your photos of your youthfull sexual experimentation in your adf-days.

    So you did send porn to other people …

    … I can assure you it wasn’t me in your phtos … by the time I was in the ADF I was a father of a ten month old … my “youthful experiment” had been a HUGE success long before I was in jungle greens …

    Here’s a bit more for you … (I met KAK a few times in my youth when I sang at the local RSL – before I was called up)

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/inside-the-channel-9-boys-club/news-story/ef24cb5ffe32c01524ae952c10e68b30

    Small world, hey!

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2017 1:32 pm

  43. December 1, 2017 2:21 pm

    EXCELLLLLENT!!! (legacy fakenews outlets protecting weinstein, and barney), the,,, general consensus is that journalists are elite, out-of-touch and utterly untethered from the material concerns of regular people,,, http://www.jrhennessy.com/blog/2017/10/23/strange-bedfellows

  44. December 1, 2017 3:05 pm

    Hearsay,, l understand that is your pov teebz. For me, only one is hearsay, a co-worker that spoke during smoko his uncle had a run-in with burke, the foul mouthed octopus, and groped his 20ish hottie cousin and offend his aunt. The other half dozen dudes saw stuff. From my pov l either believe 1. burke is a grub 2. despite ratings, all Aust was anti-burke or 3. l was the lucky random blue collar bozo asis and asio trolled adhoc around the country planting anti-burke stooges along my travels for about a decade and a half; hoping one day this would be useful.

  45. December 1, 2017 7:59 pm

    l agree/ believe kenerly (just read) teebz, notice that “grub” and similar are always used when referring to burke. Notice that kenerly said the network had the culture and leadership problem too, as l did. Are we learning yet (-:

  46. December 7, 2017 6:45 pm

    Done and dusted. “im a strong leader” is trying to classify it as ‘his’ achievement, so will blib, from what l remember, the only ones that were with the rainbows the ‘whole’ time, and voted so, were da-greenz, not the duopoly. All the religiophob amendments got defeated too. @suck.it.up.teabags

  47. December 13, 2017 5:15 pm

    While l don’t usually like much of what freedom boy says/does that gets on telly, l have enjoyed seeing his proposing, and boyfriend saying yes in parliament being shown on some of the off-shore (bbc/vice/pbs) news shows. Something good for a change. (also glad to see the half dozen sour faced ‘no’imbeciles were shown globally too)

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