Past Performance is no guarantee of Future Returns
The Royal Commission into Banks and Financial Services has in the space of just a few short weeks uncovered a cavalcade of allegations concerning the so-called Big 4 – ANZ, Commonwealth Bank, Westpac NAB, and also at AMP.
So far the Commission has heard evidence that involves alleged bribery, forging documents, the repeated failure to verify customers’ living expenses before lending money, and selling insurance to people who can least afford it. Charging dead people for services long after they’d passed away also rated a mention.
The Liberal National Coalition fought tooth and nail to hinder the Royal Commission only finally conceding its inevitability when the Banks, in a fit of self-flagellation, wrote to the Government requesting it, and that Labor together with members from within the Government’s own ranks had the numbers to force it into being.
In November last year, Turnbull called the decision to launch the inquiry “regrettable” while John Howard went a step further deriding calls for a Royal Commission as “rank socialism.”
“Our banks demonstrated in 2009 that they were among the best-run, the most prudentially supervised, and the most well-capitalised in the world,” Howard said.
Those lofty protests all seem rather quaint in hindsight, with Liberal heavyweights like Scott Morrison and Kelly O’Dwyer attempting to rewrite history saying that the inquiry wouldn’t have happened without the Government’s intervention. A most creative recalibration of past events if ever there was one.
There’s much wailing and gnashing of teeth at the Big 4, with some already announcing that they plan to sell off their advice arms to give some semblance of “independence.”
What happens to AMP remains to be seen but some are speculating that its entire business model is “basically fucked.”
But are the Banks and Product Providers really capable of the reform that’s needed to restore trust?
This particular observation from Aleks Vickovich suggests not (recommended reading).
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AMP have made the man who forced a changed toxic culture onto the staff of the CBA while I worked there, that has resulted in the mess revelaed in the RC, their Chairman.
Reb, it loooks like everything I had always manitained is now starting to be revelaed. Pity the RC has such limited investigative powers because there is so much more to all of this.
The CEOs from 1996 to now all need to be charged because those in 1996 started the culture change of profits and greed over customers welfare and all CEOs since then have simply maintained the status quo. Pity their multi million dollar golden handhakes cannot be clawed back now that the companies are suffering badly as a result of their culture implementations.
“Pity the RC has such limited investigative powers because there is so much more to all of this.”
The Libs have indicated they’re willing to extend the inquiry if the Commissioner asks for an extension. The final report is due early next year, coinciding with Talcum’s indicative timeframe for an election.
I imagine if Labor gets in they’ll extend the inquiry and broaden its terms of reference (hopefully).
NBA played silly buggers with our last mortgage (the house we live in now) in 1984!
They suddenly changed our $24000 mortgage to $20000 mortgage and $4000 personal loan and the interest shot up! Too late to switch banks too!
Probably because we had paid our last loan off in 11 years … not 25!
We took great delight in paying the lot off in 1987 … never a bank loan again (nor any loan!)
But we did get a letter demandin $1900 dollars in 1988 when we were in PNG … we apparently had been $20 short in payment … “Dear David (the bank manager) here’s a copy of our final payment” … “Dear TB, apologies for our oversight etc … ”
‘Nowt is new!
Ooops NAB!
Reb is that extend the inquiry in terms of time, or in terms of reference, there is a big difference.
Just time at this stage.
Thats the problem, they know so many of their CEO mates would be dragged before the RC and face questioning over their culture impositions on bank staff and the outcome of those changes. Can’t have their rich mates implicated !!!
face questioning over their culture impositions on bank staff
Hear! Hear! Shane … I have a family ,ember who works at the frontline (counter) for one of the big four … contemptible treatment … incompetent management … despicable KPI’s and performance review tactics …
but,but,but, dotpoint need to cut the ‘red’ tape as boardrooms can self regulate dotpoint watchdogs are a ‘waste’ of taxpayer resources dotpoint boardrooms need to make a ‘return’ to shareholders dotpoint boardrooms are worth ‘every’ penny @won’tAnybodyThinkOfTheDotPoints
aleks “on face value his appointment reeks of the cronyism and corruption the royal commission is uncovering, and an unlikely enabler on the road to redemption” @while l agree with aleks conclusion (and shane above), murray has been a high priest of the economism cult incinerating workers and customers to the profit-dog just as flatearth popes incinerated roundists to the skyfairy. Both were the ‘inflicters’ engaged in willful blindness and lied to prop them up. Institutionalised folk have had it ‘inflicted’ upon them, workers, slaves, serfs, prisoners and welfare receivers have various forms of ‘cruelty’ forced upon them by others higher up the food chain.
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TB: I was one of those staff as well, the rot set in as soon as Paul Keating decided to privatise the bank and this allowed the CEO and management to make so much more by the way of wages and bonuses. Bonuses did not exist when it was publicly owned. I blame Keating just as much as well.
BOO: It is so damn funny that the LNP are screeching that the regulators were asleep at the wheel when the LNP are the staunch supporters of self regulation and most of the problem has been self regulation along with swallowing up their competition and becoming too big to fail thanks to the government. So their self regulation was the problem not the regulators who have had funding and staff slashed to the bone.
BEAM: He has also been a darling of the LNP and was also selected by the ALP. He actually was a young employee just like myself and apparently was hopeless in branches and there was thoughts to let him go, however he was moved from branch into ivory tower and the rest is history he climbed the ladder, probably as a result of who he knew more than anything.
Reb: I think there will be an election called very soon and then watch the hysteria of reds under the beds, Tax, Tax and more Tax. Debt now under control. Big Business will go broke if they don’t get billions in tax cuts.
BOO: It is so damn funny that the LNP are screeching that the regulators were asleep at the wheel when the LNP are the staunch supporters of self regulation
I don’t think that is true. Hawke/keating deregulated the banking industry. Costello re-regulated the industry with the creation of APRA
Neil: I am not talking about the deregulation of the banking industry. I am talking about the culture and self regulation of the internal mechanisms of the banking industry. The culture had nothing to do with deregulation which was about floating our currency and allowing the entry of foreign banks for competition, not bank culture.
Bank culture and self regulation commenced with privatisation of the CBA. The LNP under Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull have slashed the regulators budgets and staff. They have now made ASIC to be funded by those it investigates rather then by government, can you see a problem with that or are you totally blind ?. They were also the ones who claimed a RC was not needed and when they did relent have placed strict limitations on what the RC can investigate. Pity it is not as all encompassing as the RC into unions. I am going to be one of them who has to pay more yet ASIC will be open to coercion from big business who pay them more. Have never seen big bank staff charged and lose their jobs and livelihood yet many brokers have. If you were actually listening to the RC you would have heard that the governing body for Financial Advisers was being manipulated and threatened by the very advisers it was supposed to control. Costello did not re regulate the banking industry I assure you, he simply set up APRA as a smoke screen because nothing change and it became even worse under their watch to the extent we were doing low doc loans for anyone who had a pulse right up to 100% of the value of their home, all of this prior and up to 2004 so you cannot blame the ALP and while I detest Paul Keating for selling off the CBA the LNP were all for it because it was their policy as well.
Isn’t this Blog supposed to be dead ?
Is this a zombie blog now ?
“”Is this a zombie blog now ?””
Well now that you’re here..
Looks like the Coalition made a mistake not having a RC but shouldn’t the customer have some responsibilities. What about “buyer beware”. I am not been following the RC so i am not sure what has been found.
2 years before the GFC i got a call from the Commonwealth bank who had noticed i had a reasonable amount of money in a low interest rate account. They arranged a meeting and advised me to put the money into a Colonial First State account. They showed me all the graphs on how the share market goes up and down but over the long term it always goes up.
WEll the GFC hit and i lost $15,000 . Then i needed the rest of the money so had to pull it out so the $15,000 was lost forever. Should i blame the bank for bad advice?
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“I am not been following the RC so i am not sure what has been found.”
Where are you, Mars…??
The only thing that sticks in my mind re RC is that finance advisors have been giving some shocking advice. Is there more?
“creation of APRA” After tonights 4corners; your team will come off smelling of zombie; (and your guardian echo chamber will go into overdrive tomorrow); and blib will nearly have a 50/50 chance of not defeating himself. Better untangle your telegraph wires and DO some homework. , . “apparently was hopeless . . he was moved from branch into ivory tower” @shane Well said. l’ve told our in-house zombies the (near) identical thing happened in factory jobs too. The (multi)skilled worker/s depart when it goes to crap, while the duds are often made supervisors. . , l consider the term self(non)regulation as nothing more than imbecilesDelight. As we could always get rid of ‘customs’, gulags, plod and courts; and let everybody ‘self’regulate. (and enjoy the teabag panic) (-: Reportland is running hilary denial tonight.
OK beam me up, 4 corners is over. What is the scoop? Or whatever U are trying to say
PS I am not up on the Royal Commission. All that sticks in my brain is that some finance people have been giving bad advice. Is there something else?
Groundhog Day?
Neil : There is plenty more Neil but of course you would much rather just simply screech 11% unemployment under Keating and you hate ALP supporters and Kevin Rudd killed refugees at sea. That is what your life and comments revolve around or revert to any time you are challenged. You are a parrot of epic proportions.
Beam: How to take control of a company and its culture. Promote those who say yes, silence those who question and manage out all those who say no. Thats what happens when you get a boss who is driven by profit and greed and ego.
TB: Seems so 🙂
… when you get a boss who is driven by profit and greed and ego.
Or promoted to his/her Level of Incompetence (Peter’s Principle)
Accounting may be a profession … but so is (good) management … would you promote a qualified manager to the CFO spot? I doubt it … (would probably refuse anyway) but it always seems to work ‘tother way. (Best accountant >> manager … best saleperson >> manager … successful tradie
fucks up runs small businessFunny that … hey!
“All that sticks in my brain”
I think you mean “all those sticks in my brain”.
“and you hate ALP supporters”
Well they did lock up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 and have never apologised. There are still 20,000 in community detention costing us $1B/year
Neil, you proved my point exactly with your response. I rest my case.
Shane
I find the ALP and its supporters offensive. That is my opinion right or wrong
driven by profit and greed and ego
Let me guess… that’s a bad thing…
“driven by profit and greed and ego”
Comments like that is why the ALP annoys me. Their supporters think those characteristics only exist in the Coalition. However in contrast the ALP has a pure heart.
It is ALP greed why the budget is in deficit. Spending cuts is the only way to get the budget into surplus but greedy ALP want the services
InHouseOne “not been following the RC so i am not sure” Yet you’re making lots of comments and looking a little-lot stoopid. l told ya’dummy DO your homework. Start with the ten or so linked items reb included in this post. Then see comments in reb previous post where there are more links. “sticks in my brain” As above. This aint the guardian. lnHouseTwo “Is this a zombie” lts probably your mirror.
Looking stupid is normal for me. Could not be bothered looking at the links. What sticks in my brain is lots of bad advice from the banks. tell me about it.
Two years before the GFC Comm Bank rang me up and set up an appointment. They showed me lots of graphs. Share market goes up and down but if U leave your money in long enough you will make lots. I paid $800 to join Colonial First State and lost $15,000 when the GFC happened 2 years later. In January 2009 i had to remove my money from CFS because i had just purchased some property and needed the money.
There is such a thing as “buyer beware”
InHouseThree ”Let me guess .. that’s a bad thing”
Not if you’re Macron Le Frog hopping away with; 6-decades of decent jobs and; 6-decades of hefty profits for your part of the submarine pond; along with a chunk of another nations sovereignty tucked into your pocket. http://www.afr.com/news/submarine-contract-makes-france-and-australia-even-closer-leaders-20170708-gx7hq2
My newly renamed & reinvigorated Union is loving this shit.
Makes the hard sell on the Amazing Tax Cuts for Big Business all the harder.
So happy to find life here…
*just sayin’
I realise that this isn’t the forum for it, but has anyone else here read ‘The Terror’ (Dan Simmons)?
A magFUCKINGnificent book I read a few years ago…mayhaps the title compelled me?…entirely possible.
Anyhoo…it’s now an impeccably cast, acted and shot AMC Series. A historical combobulation of the attempt to find the Northwest Passage.
Well worth the effort. Not many things energise my profundity glands anymore…not in the digital world at least; but a good book is a great experience…and put to the screen well, can be transcendental.
They actually only found the wrecks of the Terror & Erebus in recent years…2016 & 2014, respectively.
Anyway, if you like a bit of true horror, psychological & visceral…it’s directed by Ridley Scott. Check this shit out…
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3974.The_Terror
Thanks, toylet, “acquiring” S01E1 – E2 – E3 as I tap! Looks good … I’ll get the ebook later today …
Just finished The Women’s Murder Club series (James Patterson) and now into the Alex Cross series (also JP) … and we need a replacement for Designated Survivor (just finished Series 2)
So happy to find life here…
Me too … ‘specially you sunshine! 🙂
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“”the attempt to find the Northwest Passage””
😯 😯 😯
“”So happy to find life here…””
🙂
“”Check this shit out…””
That looks right up my alley, Boss. I’ll definitely be searching it out..
I’ve given up on The Walking Dead, which after a couple of interesting initial seasons has just turned into a rather dull soap opera with the occasional zombie. Likewise Fear The Walking Dead.
I enjoyed the first season of Colony, the alien invasion thing, but I think it’s been canned.
Have you guys seen the movie Annihilation? It was originally meant to be screened in cinemas but the producers ended up selling it to Netflx because it was considered “too intellectual” for US audiences..! It’s quite a good alien invasion type thing too.
The Walking Dead
I wondered if you were considering renaming the site reb?
But yea, it’s gone to shit (the series, not yer site 😉 )
But, if I may
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.theage.com.au/national/charges-against-cfmeu-pair-dropped-in-blackmail-case-20180516-p4zfks.html
Hi HD, it’s great to see you about! I This blog is a bit like getting the Beatles back together – there’s only 2 left!
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TB, I’ve read a couple of books by James Paterson – I think they’re crap! He’s a production line of literary repetition
One the other hand – Harlen Coban (not the Myron Bolitair series) is quite good, ditto James Lee Burke. Also Carl Hiaasen is hilarious for crime novels
Hi yomm, great day, isn’t it 😉
“”I’ve read a couple of books by James Paterson – I think they’re crap! He’s a production line of literary repetition.
What, the IPA Handbook…??
That’s sensational ! Celebrate by necking a quart of alcohol! Go union!! OI! OI! OI!
yes, they should really celebrate with Chardonnay, like bankers would (if they were ever found NOT GUILTY 😉 )
“”like bankers would (if they were ever found NOT GUILTY 😉 )””
😀 😀 😀
Yes! I would like to congratulate them on being found
that there is not quite enough evidence to pursue a prosecution, so charges did not proceednot guiltyNot
Quite
Enough
Evidence
Let me guess
They still have ‘questions to answer’?
Did you know there is a difference between standards of evidence in criminal and civil cases?
I suppose the CFMEU just coughed up $9,000,000 to Boral became…. they want to do Boaral a favour!
>From 2013, “Services for a number of customers on the National Broadband Network (NBN) in Queensland and parts of New South Wales have been restored after severe weather and flooding in the area. Thousands have been evacuated in the flood-stricken state after heavy rain ..” https://www.zdnet.com/article/nbn-co-telcos-continue-to-combat-qld-flood-outages/
l wonder if canoetown or boltsville had their nodes washed out in their flooded areas last week.
dunny “My newly renamed and reinvigorated Union is loving this shit.”
Yes its fun watching the national puppet factory being hysteric over the onions (along with the usual team coolaide guzzlers here) while pretending they didn’t get dragged kicking and screaming to investigate thieving amp and banks. l can’t wait to hear the dribble on how boardrooms look after shareholders and their shareprice. (-:
“l wonder if canoetown or boltsville had their nodes washed out in their flooded areas last week.”
What is your point? I cannot work it out.
“while pretending they didn’t get dragged kicking and screaming to investigate thieving amp and banks. ”
The Coalition thought it would be a waste of time. Interestingly Labor voted against having a RC in 2015. I wonder why they changed their mind?
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/senate-votes-down-call-for-royal-commission-into-financial-sector-misconduct-20150624-ghwos1.html
I think they’re crap!
So?
Did you know there is a difference between standards of evidence in criminal and civil cases?
And?
“I’ve given up on The Walking Dead, which after a couple of interesting initial seasons has just turned into a rather dull soap opera with the occasional zombie. Likewise Fear The Walking Dead.”
Couldn’t agree more.
As for Annihilation, I have watched it and thought it was excellent. Very different, beautiful to look at, thought provoking, strangely disturbing and gored up enough to satisfy my fake violence gland!
Would like to comment further, but, to avoid spoilers, see a lot of congruence with some certain bipeds becoming photosynthesisers unto one of my favourite games ever, The Last Of Us.
I reckon most thinking people who don’t mind being a little unsettled would enjoy The Terror. The novel is immense. The Series is very well done.
Epic…a benchmark in interactive storytelling, imho. Gritty as fuck…
”the attempt to find the Northwest Passage””
*snigger
Nice to see TomR on deck!
Still swinging in the new era of an inevitable Business Party Regime takeover of South Australia.
I watch with amusement.
Something which also amuses me is the rising crescendo of squeals from Eastern Staters, who laughed at SA, without much insight or comprehension, about our power prices…as the electricty chickens come home to fucking roost upon their bills.
* also, THAT SHowdown loss was gutwrenching…even though we had no right to be 1pt up with 40sec to go…
* I was at the Prelim Against Geelong last year…the closest I’ve ever come to a religious experience
It must hurt (?) YomM…but seeing that many people in your streets last (?) week is kinda indicative of disgruntlement with the lot of working people…no?
I have been in protracted negotiations for 4 years, no pay rise. Stalling and obfuscating is a legitimate tactic employed by Big Business, apparently. You couldn’t make this shit up.
We have recently had a win, with industry wide implications, because we were being given 10 times 7 hours sick leave every year, but deducted at 8 hours due to fantastical logical & roster contortions. It took years & much obdurate resistance to even force a decision…ultimately in our favour. The amount of hurdles and appeals we had to extricate ourselves from were stupendous. The system is heavily rigged in favour of Big Business.
I am well aware that the ALP set up the FWC.
I am not partisan…I just know what I loathe more; ie. Conservative politics.
Go Union.
They can’t piss on this fire.
Also very happy to see you here, YomM!
it was considered “too intellectual” for US audiences..!
They were probably right. We got about 10 minutes in and called it a night 😉
as the electricty chickens come home to fucking roost upon their bills.
It’s kinda beautiful/frustrating to watch to watch the complete lack of reportage from the msm on how successful the batteries are. Be interesting to see if the libs will do what they usually do, come in for one term, fuck everything up, then stand on the sidelines and snipe for the next decade.
We had some lib doorknocker come to our place whinging about power prices before the last election. I asked the snotty little shit if he recalled who sold it all off, and he said this election is about now, not ancient history. At least he gave me a good laugh as I slammed the door on his precocious mug.
I am well aware that the ALP set up the FWC.
I am also aware that the libs have tinkered with it, which tilted it even further in Big Businesses favour.
Congrats on the ‘win’ such as it is.
The novel is immense.
His always are. I loved Carrion Comfort and Hollow Man, and Hyperion was very good, but I lost the plot halfway through (not a unique happening for me 🙂 )
Ahhh! Noice ta be back! 😉
Noice ta be back!
If it doesn’t fit the definition of blackmail, it might not be ……. blackmail ????
So sayeth the AFFR
Dummy Spits all round ROFL
btw, a big THANX to ya reb
Not sure what prompted the change of heart, but glad the ol’ gangs back together
even Wallace 😉 (not sure about nil)
” I asked the snotty little shit if he recalled who sold it all off, ”
What U should be saying is that no matter how expensive we have to switch to renewables to save the planet. TRying to make out renewables are cheaper is just stupid. I see SA has spent $100M renting some diesel generators because their power supply is so unreliable.
It is blowing up coal fired power stations causing the problems
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/demolition-job-last-sa-coalfired-power-station-blown-up/news-story/fa7f5083f7b2315acf612d6ddab14639
So… the CFMEU paid Boral $9,000,000 and gave them an enforceable undertaking, any idea why they did that?
fer yomm
http://robertcorr.com/2018/05/cfmeu/
fer nil
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/tesla-giant-battery-south-australia-reduce-cost-power-outage-backup-system-fcas-a8348431.html
So… the best response is… discuss this with the link!
But the link appears to address discontinuance of the prosecution, rather than the fact that CFMEU has given an enforceable undertaking about it’s behaviour and coughed up $$$$$$ MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS… to Boral!
the fact that CFMEU has given an enforceable undertaking a
#ChangeTheRules
Is that better yomm 😉
IT’S ALL LABOR’S FAULT!
Unemployment rate climbs to 5.6 per cent in April
https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/unemployment-rate-climbs-to-5-6-per-cent-in-april-20180517-p4zfu5.html
a big THANX to ya reb
You’re welcome..
CFMEU paid $$$$$$$ MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS UPON… and provided an enforceable undertaking because they flouted the law!
So individual may not be guilty of blackmail but the evidence is that they don’t observe the law.
because they flouted the law!
NASTY, MEAN Unions, FLOUTING the (unjust)law just to protect vulnerable workers
#ChangeTheRules
Speaking of books …
Jerusalem: The Biography … Simon Sebag Montefiore
Read it and understand* why Trump is responsible for every death in Gaza this week … along with Netanyahu … who should be remembered as The Butcher …
*And why Jerusalem is so stupidly “important” to three religions that supposedly believe in the same “god” … and “love” …
* End of Days …
dunny “squeals from Eastern Staters, .. roost upon their bills”
Don’t take any yabbadabbadoo from east coast braindeads. The canoetown battery is fcuking fantabulous. AND so is canoetownNET, that will be totally ‘node’free and telegraph wire free. (links to both on previous post/s)
I also notice the teabags are trudging toward the cliff edge when it comes to the female demographic. lnstead of just letting the zombies trudge off the cliff edge; the fcuking east coast pinkists and greenists are out trying to shoo the zombies away from said cliff edge. @FFS don’t any of these cnuts learn. Even the 0dwyer critter has cottoned on and started a femalezombie fund.
” I asked the snotty little shit if he recalled who sold it all off, ”
So U are still trying to make out that SA’s electricity price increases are due to privatisation? It would have been sold/closed anyway because SA Labor does not believe in coal. In fact they made a big deal of blowing up Playford power station. Price rises are due to renewables which is OK if coal is destroying the planet. But they are not cheaper than coal produced electricity. Hundreds of people lost their jobs at the power station and Leigh Creek coal mine when Labor blew the power station up
http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/smoke-stack-at-alintas-port-augusta-power-station-blown-up-in-controlled-blast/news-story/161dd6a64fe13e269d6f0b738804ff40
YouKnowWho “But the link appears to address discontinuance of the prosecution, rather than @SHRiLL!! @daOnions @SHRiLL!! @cmfu2 @SHRiLL!!”
Who says ‘Past Performance is no guarantee of Future Performance’
rebs fairfax “with insecure work, record low wages growth, rising cost of living pressures, and 1.1 million underemployed people”
“End of Days” And drowned nodes too.
Late last year, “another research team found using on-the-ground measurements that one catchment in Greenland abruptly started melting 80 percent faster” starting in 2003. , , The findings “align with other, aforementioned observations about the Arctic: that the sea ice is melting at its fastest rate in 1,500 years and the alarmingly warm winter in the Arctic, replete with a heat wave in February. And almost everywhere scientists look in the cryosphere, they find it rapidly dribbling away.” @GlugGlugGlug @CanWeSwimTeabags https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/4/11/17219020/greenland-ice-melt-climate-change
is “so stupidly ‘important’ to three religions” @agree
with “Netanyahu .. remembered as The Butcher” @tick
why “Trump is responsible for every death in Gaza this week” @echoChamber
Not brittania betraying their palistine allies and dumping the jews of europe there to ease the guilt of the colonial powers shame for not defending/ admitting the mass murder of jews when the ruskis told them much earlier. Nor the 7-decades of colonial powers profiteering and pumping up israel/ stomping palistine. Nah. Blame the guy thats been in power for 2-years. Not the 7-decades of dumbfcuks that came before.
Trump is responsible for every death in Gaza this week …
Jerusalem: The Biography … Simon Sebag Montefiore
Read the above text first!
We all know the “modern” political history … ’tis much deeper … you could blame a whole range of people for the history over 2000 years (actually 5500) … but one stupid Trump decision was responsible this week for 60 of the thousands killed over the last
I repeat … Trump is responsible for every death in Gaza this week …
Scroll up. l used ‘this week’ in your quote. lts ‘anti-ronald’ echo chamber. lt is pretending the-ronald is the only player that has ‘agency’ in the situation. The palistine protesters have some minimal ‘agency’ and chose to protest, some chose to chuck rocks etc. The israel military-politico-landGrab-developer-apartheid complex has most of the ‘agency’ this week, just as they have for the last 3500ish weeks (7-decades). (Yes, the short odd bet is; in the future when we look back; the-ronald will have joined the 7-decades of duds even tho he tried some different stuff.)
#ChangeTheRules
So… we need to change the rules to allow secondary boycotts??
What’s up motherfuckers!
This is fcuking Gold. “He’s a production line of literary repetition” @SelfAwareness
Hello Tony!
Oh dear god.
What’s up motherfuckers!
unemployment?
https://cg.cfmeu.org.au/news/settlement-still-not-justice-john-lomax
Yeah! So apparently paid Boral $$$$$$$$$$ MILLIONS & MILLIONS for no reason! They didn’t do anything! Maybe they should ask Boral for their money back – and say – by the way, please excuse us from that enforceable undertaking – that was all a mistake too!
Oh dear god.
YES! MY SON!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What’s up motherfuckers!
Wages!Chuckle … G’day Goldilocks … 🙂
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“Malcolm Turnbull needs to explain if damages have been paid, why they’ve been paid and how much has been paid.
And someone should be in jail for wrongful arrest … (at the minimum dismissed from the
serviceForce!… and the Board of Directors (ie the LNP CABINET!) should resign – after all Malfunction said the bank directors and senior managers should – didn’t he?
I can assure you that Boral has not/is not a squeaky clean corporate citizen, ToM!
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/record-penalties-in-concrete-price-fix-case
They were playing cartels back in the early 80’s with company I worked for! Modus operandi for them … and still is … apparently … leopards spots springs to mind …
for no reason!
No, for reasons of a broken Industrial System
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5786243772001
Asio and afpPlod have been useful redsUnderBeds imbeciles for the teabagHerd for decades, no doubt asis, miltaryIntel, otherSpooks will be too. When we have teabags demanding my abc staff pay is disclosed publicly (l-agree) we should also not allow court appointed compensation on behalf of Govt fcukups to remain secret either. All treasury spends should be reported to public in a straightforward manner. @Lomax
Oh, right – stopping secondary boycotts are an unreasonable limitation of the rights of unions??
Is that your contention Tom R?
But hang on, the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS & MILLIONS CFMEU paid to Boral were about “Right of Entry”?
no, it was paid because they tried to make the work sites a safer place
Bullies!
So, a secondary boycott is ok if the intentions are pure?
Do you think workplace safety reps can be elected by employees, or is required that unions tell employees who their safety reps are?
And this evening I’ll be having a cask of bowlers run fruity lexia with some Chinese food!
…no, I’m channelling TB there! I’m having a St Henri 2008 at one of my favourite restaurants!
I’m channelling TB there!
That’s unfair.
And unkind.
We all know that money is no object when it comes to TB and dining out.
fruity lexia ——- FFS! Casks FFS! Very 60’s shit! How old are you?
Oddly enough I knew one of the owners of Sizzlers – I wouldn’t eat there … LOL!
Hasn’t it gone under?
BT just got paid 3 Mumm and a noice bourbon for a couple of ads!
TeamCheerer “lack of reportage from the msm on how successful the batteries are”
Vice “But it’s since been made clear that everybody’s lights went out because massive storms knocked over three transmission lines and more than 20 towers on Wednesday afternoon. Of course, that doesn’t mean politicians have stopped” https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/9bjdpp/did-renewables-contribute-to-south-australias-power-failure-not-really
Agree 100% TC. The legacy FakeNews outlets gave oodles of fake coverage to fake nonsense on behalf of fake leader while faking it up for the fakers. Vice did manage to cut thru the shit. Trapped with their charter and fakeBalance my abc did not. https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/59p9db/elon-musk-to-use-australia-as-teslas-renewable-energy-testing-ground
How can half a dozen megalomaniacs threaten almost 7 billion people with war?
Yes, fine some dining recommendations for TB…
https://www.theurbanlist.com/brisbane/a-list/brisbanes-all-you-can-eat-meals
hailed “the $50 billion submarine contract”
the “Cherbourg headquarters of DCNS, the French company which will manufacture Australia’s new fleet of subs. Mr Macron said the decision to award the contract to DCNS was an honour for French industry” linkAbove @MacronLeFrog
dotpoint “Biz is always better/cheaper then Govt. SHRiLL!!”
Le Frog Repug owns 75% of NavalGroup/DCNS (-:
dotpoint “Da Onions!! , Millions!! , cmfu2 , SHRiLL!!”
CFDT(onion), CGT, CFTC, FO, CFE-CGC et UNSA @HawHawHaw
Hey TC, you would do better to stop fetching thrown sticks from the long grass and shove some of ‘initials’ above into frogTranslate. Some have frogFakebook too. (it looks like Aust has paid for the deepwater port/shipyard upgrade at Cherbourg too)
ToM yer repeating on me! FFS!
Bugger! Did I miss the royell * wedding! Must be a babe on the waaa …
Actually I watched … “To Hell and Back” …
Can anyone translate BooSpeak?
I watched … “To Hell and Back” …
So did I.
Also known as the royal wedding. Under duress I might add.
“BooSpeak“
Maybe if Catching Up was around she could lend a hand.
In December last year, “Australia and France formally sealed a $50 billion agreement under which French naval contractor Naval Group will build a new fleet of diesel-electric submarines based on its nuclear Barracuda. ”
https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/turnbull-opens-office-for-submarine-project-in-france-ng-b88531690z
The massive assembly hall, “which will be required in Adelaide when work begins on the Australian submarines in 2022, allows for one submarine on the finishing line and another on the assembly line. A workforce of 2800 people will be needed in Adelaide. ”
In early 2016 DCNS “was left reeling after details from more than 22,000 pages of documents relating to submarines it is building for India were published in The Australian newspaper, leading to concerns about the company’s ability to protect sensitive data. ”
Nope. The kiddies hexdebted stem trainy trainy isn’t a ponzi scheme. If they’re frogs.
“Catching Up” LOL!
Don’t tell me V is a fkn fan!!!!!! (“Under duress”) or did you mean undressed? 🙂
Nope. The kiddies hexdebted stem trainy trainy isn’t a ponzi scheme. If they’re frogs.
tbagz, is much easier to understand than Boo (chuckle)
The standards that cold war breeders walk past are the standards their kiddies are stuck with. Even minipiglo knows that.
On the subject of banks – I’m always amazed that people just cough up so much in fees, they know credit card interest is exorbitant – about 10 times other rates of interest, but they carry the debt from month to month.
Avaricious banks just cash in on the consumer laziness
No. ‘LazyConsumer’ is just the term mentally lazy dills accept from corporations that have the (non)regulatory system stacked heavily in corporate favor. They(biz) know it is impossible for the average consumer to sift thru the ‘finePrintBabble’ on CreditCards, HomeLoans, bankAccounts, electricity, mobilePhone, phoneLine, gas, homeinsurance, medicalinsurance, autoinsurance, superannuation, payTv, isp, to get a decent deal. The right for biz to ‘alterTerms’ and invent fees (for no service or product) compounds the consumers problem in an era of growing junkjobs and weak govt gutting itself. Are we learning yet?
Avaricious banks just cash in on the consumer laziness
‘Cept when they all charge exorbitant fees 😦
“Cartel” comes to mind (and that now seems to include most Credit Unions)
Turnbull rejected “Ms Ley’s bill, saying the government supported the live(meat) trade that respected animal welfare and was taking action to ensure welfare was maintained while preserving the jobs of thousands of farmers and export markets. ”
Internal opposition to “the bill is coming from the Nationals, with former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce saying while exporters who did the wrong thing should be kicked out of the industry, it was vital the trade remain viable. ”
http://www.afr.com/news/sussan-ley-builds-support-to-ban-terminal-live-sheep-trade-20180521-h10bl3
Well, from thievingBankers to telegraphWires, it looks like LiveMeat will be another topic our inHouse bots won’t want to talk about due to spectacular TeamFailure. I remember once upon a time; when ‘that’team told the meat trade to clean up its act; how hysteric and shrill our inHouse bots got.
AFR “If you had a dog in a car all day in hot conditions, the owners would be charged with animal cruelty, yet it is OK for over a thousand sheep to go into international waters, suffer heat stress, suffer lack of ventilation, suffer lack of water and die in cruel, inhumane conditions. ” Where are my bots? l’m quite sure l said very similar about the LiveMeat last time. (and our bots were hysteric) Anyway ya’slice it, the teabumpkins were fully warned. Now the zombies have pissed this against the wall too. Spectacular ‘OwnGoal’ against their own voters. @yaaay.teabags
Avaricious banks just cash in on the consumer laziness
I agree ToM … personally we have NEVER paid a “late payment fee” and we pay $45 a year for our account … we only have $4000 credit but load it with a couple of our own (ie we overpay a couple of $K) … works for us …
BTW, I also feel a bit the same about people who lose $100s of thousands investing in “get rich quick” schemes (no such thing BTW) and then whinge and whine … a true case of caveat emptor if ever there was one in my view …
“a true case of caveat emptor if ever there was one in my view …”
Yes there is something called buyer beware. Most of the things from the RC seem to be bad advice from financial advisors. Comm Bank rang me up 2 years before the GFC, I followed their advice and ended up losing $15,000. And I had to pay $800 for the privilege to open to account I lost the money in.
The RC however may reveal some worse things
I also feel a bit the same about people who lose $100s of thousands investing in “get rich quick” schemes
Bitcoin is flavour of the month at the moment.
A total scam in my not-so-humble opinion.
You would think that the mere fact that you only have the option to “buy” Bitcoin in Australia, and not actually “sell” it, would be enough to ring alarm bells for the most “carefree” of “investors,” but no, ppl are flocking to it like lemmings.
Bitcoin……?…………………I still fail to see what it’s intrinsic value actually is
Bitcoin………………?……………….I still fail to see what it’s intrinsic value is
Ooooooops !!!!!
enough to “ring alarm bells ” When compared to what? The current ‘safeAsBanks’ RC? What bit-like coin-like trading systems do is; give any pleb in the world their own cayman-like, swiss-secret-like system; with no ‘taxAgent’ required. You are also NOT limited to any nation.
Bitcoin………………?……………….I still fail to see what it’s intrinsic value is
About the same as fiat money … nowt!
fiat money
noun: fiat money
inconvertible paper money made legal tender by a government decree.
It gets worse …
inconvertible
adjective: inconvertible
not able to be changed in form, function, or character.
(of currency) not able to be converted into another form on demand.
‘Tis simply paper with print …
The real reason banks lend to hopefully foreclose on homes – they see as assets – and where the term “bricks and mortar” comes from … turning nothing into something …
Remember the GFC? About home dodgy home loans in the USA!
OWN YOU OWN HOME … however hard it seems!
There is always a way!
flavour “of the month ” l won’t be surprised if some type of global-coin free from all deepstate, 5eyes teabags takes off in not too distant future. Faith based unbacked global coin will be just as good as faith based unbacked local-coin or faith based unbacked yank-coin. The ‘OwnGoal’ of pushing digital transactions upon the plebs will eventually result in the plebs moving to the best deal they can get.
“I still fail to see what it’s intrinsic value is”
I think you mean “its”.
The mayor of Logan seems like a typical Queenslander who is interested in politics, development, donations…
The mayor of Logan seems like a typical Queenslander who is interested in politics, development, donations…
Pauline Hanson has “dealt a blow to the Federal Government by withdrawing her party’s support for the Coalition’s company tax cuts.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-22/pauline-hanson-effectively-withdraws-support-for-company-tax-cut/9785774
Hanson said “she regretted pulling out of a deal with the Government, but it had failed to deliver on a string of her demands, including reducing the immigration rate, building a coal-fired power plant in north Queensland and lowering spending.”
Hanson now says “the Federal Government has not done enough to reduce debt, and the company tax cuts would not create enough jobs in the short term.”
Hanson reiterated “her party’s support for changing the petroleum resource rent tax, to make large companies pay more tax.”
The two Centre “Alliance senators (formerly the Nick Xenophon Team) are also unprepared to back the company tax cuts now.”
@delicious to see the battle of the arseBackwards
I see ToM is dribbling again …
Mexico the land of (s)truth … all the pollies in Victoria must be squeaky clean now? GUFFAW!
2014 “The Atlantic recently ran an article with the provocative title “How Sugar Daddies Are Financing College Education?”. The article starts off with a dramatic and movie worthy story/scene about a young woman at Princeton University who is whisked away to NYC in a limo for a midnight dinner, late night sex, and then promptly returned to campus in time for her 10 AM class. Her benefactor is allegedly a 60-something Wall Street Banker. Our beautiful young Princeton student and her sugar daddy met on a website called Seeking Arrangement. ”
https://ordinary-times.com/2014/09/20/are-women-turning-to-prostitution-to-pay-for-college/
@stop picking on inHouseThree Teebz. When he gargles for yank-crap here, he understands fully what he is getting. @yaaayHexDebt
December 2017 “the Commonwealth official is under internal investigation and has been suspended. In a statement, a Defence spokesperson said the investigation had ‘not had any impact on the construction of the Cherbourg facility’ but said it would be inappropriate to release more details ‘at this time’. The spokesperson would not say if the suspended employee was still being paid.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/submarine-fraud-investigation/9263458
“Australia’s $50 billion Future Submarines program has been hit by allegations of fraud, with a Commonwealth official being investigated for misappropriating funds. .. The investigation has been confirmed by senior defence officials ”
@The kermits of cherbourg must be laughing their nads off at Aust for giving away 6-decades of jobs to them. (which equates to a full workforce generation, and half of the generation after them) And the kermits several onions too. @yaaayOutsaucing
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/victoria-rations-flu-vaccine-to-vulnerable/news-story/f312aab0387c2ef7fef98fbc66130f63
Economic Managers … these pricks can’t manager flu vaccine … how many PEOPLE live in Australia …
24 fkn million!
BTW Teebz. l’ve noticed the info on just ‘how many Nodes got drowned during floods?’ and ‘how many nodes got incinerated during bushfires?’ is hard to find over at telegraphWireCo and the cost to replace’em.
In December 2011, “Simon Sebag Montefiore presented on BBC Four a three-part history of Jerusalem, based on his book and by the title Jerusalem: The Making of a Holy City.” @which bigbad bagz has seen Teebz. Notice the preRonald date. Both doco and book were out well before the rustbelt train sped theRonald to victory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem:_The_Biography
Over at your guardian echoChamber is this cracker. “Jerusalem is the holy city,” writes Simon Sebag Montefiore, “yet it has always been a den of superstition, charlatanism and bigotry . . . the cosmopolitan home of many sects, each of which believes the city belongs to them alone. “Jew, Christian and Muslim alike feel compelled to rewrite its history to sustain their own myths. “A hundred patients a year,” Montefiore notes, “are committed to the city’s asylum suffering from the Jerusalem syndrome, a madness of anticipation, disappointment and delusion.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jan/29/jerusalem-biography-simon-sebag-montefiore-review
“White flight” …. yes those ALP guys are so committed to multi culturalism
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-24/foley-apologises-for-white-flight-comments/9796548
dohpoint Cherbourg Fabrication and Military Engineering Union
But you’ll love this.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mh17-missile-ukraine-2014-russia-military-netherlands-deaths-investigation-a8366721.html
Audio previously released by Ukranian “officials appears to show a panicked militant saying MH17 was shot down in the mistaken belief it was a military plane. ‘It was 100 per cent a passenger aircraft,’ he tells a superior. ‘There are civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper. ”
All findings from “this forensic investigation confirm the earlier conclusion of the JIT that Flight MH17 was shot down by 9M38 series missile,” said Jennifer Hurst, of the Australian Federal Police. ” And here is afpPlod dedicating itself as useful political imbeciles once again. Nobody ‘still’ seems to have asked why mh17 was ‘allowed’ to fly over a whiteHot battlefield containing jumpy, bombed ground warriors that had already ‘nailed’ 16-warbirds.
(Teabag syndrome, aka Teabagism, a madness of denial, greed and arseBackward delusion.)
yes those ALP guys are so committed to multi culturalism
It’s a ‘broad’ church.
(or, in this case, a narrow one?)
Just not as ‘broad’ as some 😉
“White flight” …. yes those ALP guys are so committed to multi culturalism
Sometimes it is! Chuckle …
Foley did apologise but was a dickhead for even saying it …
This may explain it…:
the former Army private “crashed into a cameraman on her way into court for the verdict on allegations she plotted to rob an RSL just a week after robbing a military bank. The 26-year-old pleaded guilty to armed robbery after she held up the Australian Defence Credit Union on Richmond’s military base with a replica pistol and balaclava at 3:30pm on February 7, 2014. After robbing the credit union, Royna and her co-accused Tayla Stahl-Smith made off with $2,685 in a getaway vehicle while the base went into lockdown.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-24/sarah-royna-found-guilty-of-robbing-rsl-and-military-bank/9795636
YouKnowWho probably thinks ‘whiteFlight’ is another malaysia-air boardroom fcukup he needs to defend. He might want to look into the destroyed ambience of suburbs that are having the slums of the future built in them with multi-strata residences built on ‘single’ home lots. @exodus
TBs Limitednews “Only Victoria’s children, elderly and the sick will be able to get the flu vaccine until the federal government can ensure a “solid supply” for all people, the state government says. ” @you have to wonder how many ‘vax-deniers’ are in clowntown. We will all be royally fcuked if we get a hendra, sars, etc outbreak.
New South Wales Greens “senator Lee Rhiannon has announced she will retire in mid-August to make way for current state Upper House MLC Mehreen Faruqi. ” @Lets hope her ‘crimson-politburo’ disappears too, and give da-greenz more appeal among the punters.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-25/greens-senator-lee-rhiannon-to-resign-within-months/9799348
Here is the waste. “The Australian Government announced in the May budget it would put $50 million over four years towards the prosecution costs ”
Here are the seeds of many future ‘OwnGoals’ and misery. “Russia should pay compensation to the families of the 38 Australians killed by the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 in 2014, according to Foreign Minister Julie Bishop. ”
It was “just 50 kilometres from the Ukraine-Russia border and the investigation into who brought it down continues. The deadly incident happened during the war in Donbass. ”
Here is the teabags making useful idiots of victims families. “Ms Bishop said the families of victims want to see Russia held to account. ”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-25/bishop-demands-compensation-from-russia-for-mh17/9801056
So flying primates, Whats the bet life insurance won’t pay-up for deaths caused by flying into warzones?
Qantas would only say: “We don’t fly over the Ukraine. For London to Dubai we fly 400 nautical miles(640Km) south of the region. ”
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-28364306
the US’s Federal “Aviation Administration in April issued a Notam (notice to airmen) that prohibited US airliners from flying over the Crimean region of Ukraine and nearby areas of the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov. After the crash of MH17 it widened that to cover the whole of Ukraine. ”
Most of the decisions about a route are taken by airlines. But they must avoid no-fly zones. The area where the Malaysian airliner crashed had a no-fly zone in place up to 32,000ft (9,754m). The airliner was flying at 33,000ft (10,058m).
Oh Look!! Apple announced plans to “build a 400,000-square-foot, state-of-the-art data center in Waukee, Iowa, to better serve North American users of iMessage, Siri, the App Store and other Apple services. Like all Apple data centers, the new facility will run entirely on renewable energy from day one. ” @TelegraphWires
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/08/apples-next-us-data-center-will-be-built-in-iowa/
Irish Prime Minister Leo “Varadkar says the country has voted resoundingly Yes to liberalise its strict abortion laws. Varadkar claimed Ireland was united , with men and women, nearly every age group and every social class opting for reform in Friday’s referendum. ”
the electorate have voted “to end the country’s all but blanket ban on terminations, with another, by The Irish Times, recording 68 percent in favour of ditching the prohibition. ” @good to see the irish set themselves free of arseBackward teabag syndrome. And WhereTF is the resident feminista? (-:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/ireland-s-pm-hails-quiet-revolution-of-abortion-vote
Home ownership has long “been synonymous with the Great Australian Dream, mainly because up until recently buying a house was an achievable goal for the vast majority of citizens. Not so in 2018: as a new report from the Grattan Institute highlights, home ownership rates are falling dramatically, especially among young people and low income earners. The report bluntly states that home ownership now ‘increasingly depends on who your parents are’. ” @due to teabag syndrome.
https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/mb5nqq/want-to-buy-a-house-in-australia-hope-you-have-rich-parents
How are dem poles TeamCheerer. TeamKnife up again against the zombies on twoParty pref’d. Yet 17% tumbles again against talkbull on pref’d leader. Do you reckon the team will keep/dump blib after next election if/when the zombies trudge over the line? l noticed on insiders the zombies are already screeching(hysterically) the boaties will restart if blib gets in, all triggered coz ‘Ged’ said neverEnding imprisonment was cruel. lt is also quite a blunder being the last team caught in the duelCitizen phaff phoo.
Over at my abc (chuckle) @shane @teebz
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-14/verrender-are-we-really-a-nation-of-bludgers/7243708
“GreyBags: 14 Mar 2016 10:30:31pm
“Unfortunately the level of sociopaths in management is higher than the average for society. People who talk themselves into high paying jobs then make every one else’s life a misery. They often promote people just like themselves to perpetuate the problem. ”
“The good manager is a rare bird. In my over thirty years in the workforce, the number of useless or dictatorial managers far out weighed the good ones. Way too much kiss up and kick down. Way too much blaming the lower ranks for their own incompetence. Too many in such places as the BCA and the AIG etc that can only consider attacking workers as the solution to all their problems. Cut someones penalty rates and they are not more productive, just more of their value adding goes into the pockets of those at the top.“
Over at my abc (chuckle) @shane @teebz
Noice to see you Catching Up finally, tbagz, must be all that trainy-trainy taking hold on bits of your brain … keep up the comprehensive comprehension coaching … learning is often a slow but effective process for many people …
If it wasn’t then less people would vote LNP … 🙂
“If it wasn’t then less people would vote LNP …”
Why would U want to vote ALP? FRom 2008-2013 Rudd/Gillard locked up 8,469 children. Only the ALP would do something like that
I love it when Kneel makes my point …
“Foley did apologise but was a dickhead for even saying it … ”
Plenty of people in Sydney believe Foley was bang on the money. Fact is we have a Middle Eastern ghetto in western Sydney.
Fact is we have a Middle Eastern ghetto in western Sydney.</i<
The point is… imagine the non stop outrage for ALP types if Dutton or Morrison (or similar) had said that!
I love it when Wally and ToM make my point too …
ghetto(s) “in western Sydney ”
Well you do seem partlyCorrect if you mean (scareyScareyMooosies) imigrants are dumped in rundown workingclass areas; and not pointPiper; and not rabbit or ofarrels electorates.
For the most part; the slums of the future (residential wastelands and jobdeserts) will be those ‘shiny’new developer benefitting stratas from strathfield to redfern; created coz most councils rubberstamped and outsauced town planning to the profiteers.
In contrast, burwoods westfield center had to give up land ‘and’ widen side streets (and trafficlights? crossings?) so trafficflow was not wrecked; the council imposed ‘conditions’ on the development. (yes, westfield paid for the lot)
“I love it when Kneel makes my point …”
What was your point?
then “less people would vote LNP ”
While ‘I’ understand (and agree with) you Teebz. When it comes to politics l am much less prepared to ‘blame-the-viewers’ than you. Look at all the times teamKnife have sold itself as ‘teabag-lite’, me-tooing along with scribbling away viewers ‘rights’ for so-called security reasons; indulging in never ending ‘econo-babble’ and its so-called ‘importance’; and were part and parcel of the 15ish years of the anti-gay war and waste. TeamKnife in ‘deed’ and word has created its own misery with viewers, which has given the zombies a free ride to keep trudging over the line. The shallow political reporting by the Legacy FakeNews outlets does not help the average, alienated viewer with politics, hence, viewers switch’off’. QuestionTime on my abc provides a regular working example of; most of the pollies in a smartarse, nameCalling, kindergarten environment, shitting on viewers by NOT answering questions properly, and wasting viewers time.
when “ Kneel makes my point ”
As a telegraph wire devotional you had many excuses/links to why your team said its better. But later, when incinerated/drowned ‘nodes’ start appearing due to bushfire/flood you suddenly go quiet on ‘node’ replacement costs. @rememberTheSavings
Turnbull clashed with “Mr Joyce when his affair became public earlier this year and he subsequently banned ministers having sex with their staff. Today the PM said he would have a private conversation with Mr Joyce about the interview agreement. “It’s certainly not a course of action that I would have encouraged him to take,” Mr Turnbull told LAFM. “People are making judgments about it, I’ve said it’s not something I would have encouraged him to do, in fact quite the contrary,” he said. ”
I’m absolutely Lovin the fact that; every time talkbull turns around, he is being ‘impregnated’ by barney. (-:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-29/australians-disgusted-barnaby-joyce-sold-his-story/9810418
O’Dwyer later told “Sky News she did not think a parliamentarian should take money for an interview and, “I don’t think their spouse should either”.
lsn’t the odwyer critter the minister for feminista-ism? Doesn’t the odwyer critter have the teabag responsibility to support vikki in her effort, right, choice of cashing-in, media whoring and profiteering? Just where does the odwyer critters devotion to her ministry position and party ‘exactly’ lay? Your team is blundering again.
@rememberTheSavings
Is that aimed at me? … or … kneel? I assume kneel … (ie The Savings that have blown out to infinity for the next two generations!)
WTF, paid? How much! Try doing that in the real world …
Still that will definitely improve some candidate’s chances … 🙂
“WTF, paid? How much! Try doing that in the real world … ”
Not sure about what happens in private companies but i am starting to hate socialism even more. People in the PS used to be in defined benefit super schemes which were very very generous. In 2006 that was changed to a very generous accumulation scheme. They get now “only”15.4% Super which is still much higher than everyone else.
Socialism fails to take into account human nature. When people have access to easy money from the taxpayer they will find some way to justify paying themselves higher wages/benefits
Socialism fails to take into account human nature.
WTF does that mean?
Try doing that in the real world …
Yes, Barnaby would access the benefits available in the public service, which have very little resemblance to anything available in the “real world”
“WTF does that mean?”
It means that humans are basically greedy. Socialism thinks man is basically good. Any govt program which does not think humans are greedy will fail
Socialism thinks man is basically good.
Could you provide a link for that?
Socialism thinks man is basically good.
And our racist Government just lies
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-30/khaled-merhi-cleared-after-weapon-found-to-be-fly-swat/9815708
Socialism thinks man is basically good.
Does it then follow that democracy thinks PEOPLE are basically bad?
What about social democrats? Some people are good, some people are bad?
And our racist Government just lies
Bugger is that what it was? I’ve got one in my garage … I modified it for static grass application on my model railway!!!
Should I be concerned?
What is Australia becoming? (Has become?)
That firefighter’s agreement must be sensational, if the Victorian Human Right Commission is going to argue against its certification.
Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commissioner Kristen Hilton will appear in the Fair Work Commission to argue against the deal, which has been several years in the making but which Ms Hilton believes entrenches discrimination in the Metropolitan Fire Brigade.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/controversial-firefighter-deal-faces-rights-challenge-20180530-p4zign.html
approved, “paid personal leave ” For Eleven Weeks!! The Last time l did the math, backbenchers got paid 3900/ week. So barney will probably drain treasury of near 45k while on his impregnation recovery hideaway. l sure wish l could knockup my bosses daughter, wife, sister or secretary and receive the same level of lavishing upon me! @outOfTouchThievingCnuts (plus vikki’s media cash-in, near 200k)
“And our racist Government just lies”
I should have also said that socialists ie ALP/Greens, believe they are more moral than anyone else. That is another reason why their policies always fail
Well done kneel. “When people have access to easy money from the ” shareholder “they will find some way to justify paying themselves higher wages/benefits and fcuking over the lower ranks, as GreyBags (no-relation) pointed out.” You pretty much explained thieving cba, amp, nab, wbc, anz, etc huh? Just take any glorified clerk and tell them they are superior and wonderful and ‘they’ deserve everything and give them a dresscode and a rank, and pretty soon they will be goosestepping all over anybody they can.
“When people have access to easy money from the ” shareholder ”
People in private enterprise have to do things to generate income. people in govt get their money from those people in private enterprise who do things.
People in private enterprise may or may not be immoral but at least they generate their own money to pay their salaries. Same goes for prostitutues, porn stars, strip club workers etc. They generate their own income from private enterprise.
Public Servants get their salaries from the people i mentioned.
I’m enjoying a rather nice 1997 Coonawarra Cab Sav. #Justayin
another “reason why their policies always fail ” l think you will find both those teams will be enthusiastic to talk about ‘node’ replacement costs as soon as they find the info. You and your team are running scared when it come to node replacement ‘costs’ for your telegraphWire system. And ‘running’ makes you look a little-lot stoopid.
People in “private enterprise , , but at least they generate their own money , pornstars ” So do carjackers, burglars, robbers, drug/gun runners and blackmarket. And fee-for No-Service, which is just theft by direct account access, no different to hackers.
I’m enjoying a rather nice 1997 Coonawarra Cab Sav. #Justayin
And, obviously, the witty and intelligent (*cough*) comments …
if the Victorian Human Right Commission is going to argue against its certification.
She is actually arguing in favour of casualisation
I smell another plant.
Looks like Michaelia may have to Cash in her chips pretty soon … looks like the proverbial may have come home to roost and its shit is really going to make a mess on Malfunctions shiny top!
Can’t wait!
ToM can you enlighten me on your comment immediately above?
I’m enjoying a rather nice 1997 Coonawarra Cab Sav. #Justayin
Sounds sensational ! I need one of those this evening
I smell another plant.
Yeah!! Right – obviously a conservative lawyer stuck in there (by the ALP) to reject their agenda…
Kristen was previously the Executive Director of the Public Interest Law Clearing House and has extensive knowledge of current civil law and human rights issues and the needs of marginalised and disadvantaged individuals. She has practiced in the private profession and in a number of community legal centres including the PILCH Homeless Persons Legal Clinic. She received a Churchill Fellowship in 2007 and was honoured as the Law Institute Community Lawyer of the Year in 2006.
https://www.humanrightscommission.vic.gov.au/home/about-us/organisational-structure/the-commissioner
hmm, so, she’s a lawyer
Glad you’ve cleared that up
And she is arguing for casualisation of the workforce
nice
Characterise it as you wish – but she is an ALP appointee with a background in human rights and protection of disadvantaged & homeless people.
She takes her job serious enough to risk the wrath of the people who appointed her.
(Read all about it. Bog-standard statutory amicus appearance, with leave, to elucidate a general interest and particular concerns, subject to Tribunal determination, meets reasonability test(s), subject to Tribunal determination, in (de)weaponised workplace (dis)agreement. Although, and presumably, in arguing for a modicum of employee-related workplace flexibility, management might be a little more upset than workers at additional costs, mildly enhanced potential union membership and opportunities for union activity, and implied mockery made of Michaelia’s gripings about excessive station and etcera quora, depending on employees’ needs and rejigged rosterings requirements. Or, how many professional, unionised labour-units in the MFB does it take to put out a foreseeable dumpster fire?)
how many professional, unionised labour-units in the MFB does it take to put out a foreseeable dumpster fire?
A lot less than the ‘casualised’ ones, because that’s what they are trained for
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-21/whos-responsible-for-fires-when-urban-meets-rural/9464660
… who should fight fires where urban meets rural …
What a ludicrous headline … Answer: the most fkn qualified (skill, knowledge, experience) … professional, trumps (I hate that word!) amateur every time …
Who would want on the streets professional police* officers … or weekend warriors?
Have you noticed that police services are back to police forces … and the psychologically more “effective” (read “intimidating”) Nazi BLACK!
And she is arguing for casualisation of the workforce
er, did I miss that bit?
Who is more likely to be responsive to a fire in the locality, a rorting and bullying unionised gang or the community/people whose houses are underc threat (and who voluntarily undertake their training)?
Quite frankly l’m Lovin the highly visible (near) nationwide display of teabagSyndrome in the last 48-hours. (-: Starting in Jonestown we got a building going up in smoke while in the process of stripping said building of ‘grenfell’type inferno-cladding. Just to add to this weeks town of smoke. Not to be outdone by jonestown stoopid, boltsville competes rigorously in the stoopid stakes with their plod faking booze tests, most likely to beat some teabag halfwits time’n motion metrics and QC going out the window. l won’t bother with the boltsville ‘fireman’ battle as inHouseThree will supply all the stoopid on that. On to clowntown we can find west-coast michalia stridently reinforcing her image as basty-nitch in front of the ‘committee’ and ‘hunt’ swallowing a double helping of humblepie for being abusive to an NT mayor.
Glad to see sbs/vice is rerunning Olly Stones the realdeal interview(s). @yep.watching
Who is more likely to be responsive to a fire in the locality, a rorting and bullying unionised gang or the community/people whose houses are underc threat (and who voluntarily undertake their training)?
Neither …
A full time professionally trained and equipped fire service.
Conundrum of the week has to go to yank ABC network over ‘Roseanne’. First we have the roseanne teabag with all her re-run and ‘comeback’ success, just wouldn’t stop wearing her verbal bedsheets in public. This triggered a severe outbreak of teabag panic within the network even tho they all knew about the bedsheets before the ‘comeback’. In their panic and premature speculation the network held a public crossburning of the show along with the ratings victory and the associated profits, believing it would keep ‘them’ off the cross. Give it a couple of weeks. Back on Fox!!
a rorting and bullying unionised gang
LINK!
The only bullying going on is by the federal grubmint and the volunteers (a small portion of them)
Who is more likely to be responsive to a fire in the locality,
If you’d bothered to read the article, you’d know the answer
The bullying and sexism in MFB has been endemic for years, the HRC investigated and has written a report, but the union has taken action to suppress publication.
A state Labor MP has publicly hit out at fire union boss Peter Marshall, accusing him of trying to silence firefighters who have raised concerns about sexual discrimination at work.
Wendouree MP Sharon Knight told Parliament on Wednesday that the United Firefighters Union needs to “stop this nonsense” of attempting to suppress a Human Rights Commission report examining workplace bullying and sexism in the fire services.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/labor-mp-hits-out-at-fire-union-boss-over-sex-discrimination-review-20180307-p4z36q.html
You understand that the sexual discrimination alleged there is amongst the white collar workers, not the Union affiliated Professionals, don’t you yomm?
View at Medium.com
So… do you have a link for that? And can you advise exactly which organisation applied for the suppression order?
😯
just cos
View at Medium.com
FuckOffNazis “I like the way she got to the crux of the matter without detouring via fear mongering. The Liberals refuse to for obvious political reasons. Labor can’t manage to communicate it this clearly. McManus seems like she could walk Bob Hawkes path if she chose to walk it. “
DrFriendless “Yes, she communicates well. Blib Stooten always always seems fake to me. ”
???
Unfortunately @it does look like blib will properly soil sally by association long before blib exits the political scene. Albo and Plib are already well soiled for no effect and, the well focusgrouped ‘un-believe-a-blib’ slogan seems to be matching existing viewer opinion.
The nation’s two largest reservoirs, “Lake Mead on the Arizona/ Nevada border and Lake Powell on the Arizona/ Utah border, were brim full in the year 2000. Four short years later, they had lost enough water to supply California its legally apportioned share of Colorado River water for more than five years. Now, 17 years later, they still have not recovered. ”
http://theconversation.com/climate-change-is-shrinking-the-colorado-river-76280
This ongoing, unprecedented event “threatens water supplies to Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, Denver, Salt Lake City, Albuquerque and some of the most productive agricultural lands anywhere in the world. ” @TeabagPanic @June2017
Higher temperatures also “increase daily plant water use and evaporation from water bodies and soils. In sum, as it warms, the atmosphere draws more water, up to 4 percent more per degree Fahrenheit from all available sources, so less water flows into the river. ”
large precipitation increases “will not occur. The Colorado River Basin and other areas around the globe at essentially the same latitudes, such as the Mediterranean region and areas of Chile, South Africa and Australia, are especially at risk for drying because they lie immediately poleward of the planet’s major deserts. These deserts are projected to stretch polewards as the climate warms. In the Colorado River basin, dry areas to the south are expected to encroach on some of the basin’s most productive snow and runoff areas. ” @At least we would still have Our Guano sifters.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-04/denmark-burka-ban-niqab-muslim-europe-security-threats/9830848
Denmark has become the latest European country to dictate what a woman can and can’t wear. Its parliament passed a new law imposing a penalty of 1,000 Kroner on anyone who wears a garment that hides the face in public.
Denmark has long been a model of progressive policy and tolerance.
It is interesting to note that the people of a country with such an inclusive and open-minded tradition are reacting to cultures that decline to embrace the Danish way of life
Why we should NEVER get involved in civil wars religious, communist, political, wotever!
(Korea – Vietnam – Iraq – Afghanistan … Cambodia, Mayanmar, Palestine on and fkn on … read history from well before the first millennium … nothing changes – nothing is new!
Why should OUR blood and treasure be wasted on other country’s playing Group Dynamics … forming, storming, norming, performing, adjourning …
If you wonder where the Western World is right now … adjourning … we have been destroyed by the same Elites that destroyed the USSR!
It is interesting to note that the people of a country with such an inclusive and open-minded tradition are reacting to cultures that decline to embrace the Danish way of life
ToM
It’s also interesting that China prefers to challenge the Western democracies before it takes on the Eastern Sharia … ever played chess?
(… ever played chess?
No?
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Denmark has long been a model of progressive policy and tolerance.
That’s odd; I watched Borgen; and came away with the distinct impression that a regressive/revivalist fascistic streak exists prominently in the toolkit of Danish political culture; often whipped into action by their version of Unca Rupert’s News Of The World, in support of their version of Unca Rupert’s The Sun‘s attempts to manipulate elections (and domestic(ated) and foreign(er)-relations policies), on behalf of their version of Unca Rupert’s The Times, which seemed more interested in the Right people, or even the wrong people for the Right reasons, securing Office, and thereby Treasury; as against decidedly-unDanish and deemed-altogether-too-tolerant-to-be-tolerated/insufficiently-conservative Parties and factions; but, that apparently false impression’s the difference between a(n un)mediated (un)reality, I guess.)
(Regular campers with Smedley, well informed by Unca Rupe’s talking fox, will have noticed China has remained outside the game of ‘world-police’ and left Smedley to play with ‘Eastern-Sharia’ to Smedley’s detriment. Neither is China likely to play ‘fashion-police’ as northern white ‘inclusive and open-minded tradition'(al) powder kegs have done.)
people “whose houses are underc threat ”
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44381957
Go #Queenslander!
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/brisbane-poo-jogger-identified-as-corporate-hot-shot/
I go for a jog each night, I take a transistor, a mobile and a dog. For the dog, I take a few plastic bags to collect his turds, but so far I have not taken a toilet roll for myself… only in Queensland is a toilet roll an essential part of the daily jogging routine!
An alien from outer space lands in boltsville and observes two earthicans. One earthican squeezes out a hefty turd. The second earthican picks up the turd and carries it around in a bag. The alien promptly invites the dog to the galactic supreme being conference.
… only in Queensland is a toilet roll an essential part of the daily jogging routine!
What’s worse is the shithead was an advisor to Aveo … gawd knows what he recommended!!!
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/42f4f2ddc35f55447bc81b1f01a421cd9eb22348/0_224_6720_4032/master/6720.jpg?w=1920&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=e7ffe9149bff6d1a455578ca314a4dd2
LOL! Loved MONA!
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/jun/09/dark-mofo-mona-founder-unperturbed-by-controversy-over-inverted-crosses
This is an interesting read
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:z1Nxx9veOwwJ:https://www.innovationaus.com/2018/06/NBN-financially-doomed-from-the-start+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
NBN Co was doomed to be a “financial disaster” regardless of whether it used Labor’s all-fibre model or the current multi-technology mix, respected independent telecommunications analyst firm New Street Research has told a joint parliamentary committee.
New Street’s respected senior analyst Ian Martin said taxpayers faced a bill for around $30 billion on write downs to the value of NBN Co under the MTM model and that the cost could have been as high as $60 billion under Labor’s all-fibre model……..He said that New Street had estimated NBN Co would ultimately be worth about $20 billion, which was about the same as its debts, leaving no value in its equity. Even, under the MTM model, which has roughly doubled the speed of the rollout, Mr Martin believes cost recovery is not possible.
“I think that ultimately in future when the government decides what to do with the NBN the taxpayer will lose something in the order of $30 billion.
That’s not interesting nil, it’s old, and discredited
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2652938&p=19&#r370
I read the link. I did not see any discrediting. I did see the comment that the article was a piece of fiction because we cannot go back in time and say what would have happened if we continued with fibre like Ian Martin said
I did see lots of comments about cvc fees.Apparently high CVC fees mean Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds especially at peak times. martin says the CVC problem would have even been worse with fibre
Groundhog Day, TR …
Neel, has already told us he doesn’t understand the technology … let alone (mmm) the spelling!
MALfunction NBN = DISASTER!
I’m surprised that the NBN wasn’t mentioned last night on Q&A … although the audience was slightly right wing LIBERAL biased … IN Elizabeth SA?! And still whinging? VOTE ALP morons!
martin (sic) says the CVC problem would have even been worse with fibre
That demonstrates ignorance at both (supposedly) expert and nong levels.
MALfunction NBN = DISASTER!
Really TB? Like you would know. It was a disaster when thought up on a plane flight in 2009. Turnbull made it cheaper and quicker to build. Giving everybody fibre requires an underground conduit which most homes do not have. Main problem is high CVC fees charged by NBNCo meaning Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds. Nothing to do with changes made by Turnbull
(I, for one, welcome our innovative innovation of a high-price, volume-restricted, patchworked bridge-to-the-future, and look forward to public taxpayers and private taxcollectors reaping the opportunities gains of foregone low-price, high-volume, two-way-producers-and-consumers-traffic via the splendid social-engineering(s) wrought, over the coming decades; particularly now that Bill Morrow has established that an OPEL network was, and is, peak- I(di)oT, and is subject to (un)reasonable-use restrictions on gametheoretics, and to rollout of 5-Eyes-compatible-and-Amerikorp-sourced 4.5G.)
oh nil of nil
Had the NBN Co been rolling out a predominantly FttP network, then the question of bandwidth would not arise and any shortfall would be easily identifiable as the fault of the RSP. And any RSPs who were found lacking, would have been forced out of the market by “good old-fashioned retail competition forces”.
“This concept of an active and competitive retail market place was built into the planning of Labor’s original FttP network,” Prof Tucker said. “In those original plans it was correctly assumed that a competitive retail marketplace would resolve bandwidth shortfall issues, and customers would churn to those RSPs with good reputations for delivering the bandwidth they promise.”
https://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/79195-full-fibre-plan-would-have-forced-adequate-cvc-purchase-claim.html
volume-restricted
And there you have it 😉
And FYI … I have a consistent 94mbps Fibre/HFC hybrid… for which I pay the premium price at a 50% discount from Telstra … (after I threatened to move to Aussiebroadband – with numbers to prove my case)
HOWEVER! I fall into a cohort of about 400,000 … not good enough! Mr TurnAbbott …
And why EVERYTHING in this country has to be a profit centre and not a service really pisses me off …
Welcome to the 51st State – and we all know how well the other 50 States aren’t doing.
has to be a profit centre and not a service really pisses me off …
yep, I even heard senator hidden cash the other day saying that Government is like a corporation
No it bloody well aint! Well, no it bloody well shouldn’t be anyway
“And why EVERYTHING in this country has to be a profit centre and not a service really pisses me off …”
Most people drive the cars they can afford not the cars they would like to drive like a Ferrari. Same goes for the NBN. Labors FTTP would bankrupt the country
Labors FTTP would bankrupt the country
LINK!
Because NZ showed us how it’s done
FTTP costs $4,000 to install compared to $2,000 for FTTN.
NZ is different. The company building the network did not have to pay anybody megabucks for access to the network like NBNCo did to Telstra
FTTP costs $4,000 to install compared to $2,000 for FTTN.
LINK!
Becuase, I think you’ll find that, FTTN (or whatever mix they are currently on) is getting more expensive, whereas Labors would have decreased the more they did (See my reference to NZ 😉 )
Diagram is from NBNCo report. $4405 FTTP and $2172 for FTTN
NZ is different. Much smaller. Company building is private not govt. Also did not have to pay megabucks for access to the network like NBNCo did to Telstra. Plus i think i read somewhere NZ already had a FTTN network so changing to FTTP is just an upgrade not starting from scratch
lol nils, no report from nbnco can be accepted as anything but propoganda
“The Committee considers that the assumptions and conclusions set out in the Strategic Review are unreliable in the case of all examined scenarios,” the interim report states.
https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/541480/committee_slams_nbn_strategic_review_coalition_slams_committee/
The telco deploying New Zealand’s own version of the National Broadband Network has revealed that it was able to cut the cost of deploying its Fibre to the Premises model by 29 percent in a single year in 2015 and will cut it evern further this year, bringing the overall cost down to a comparable level with rival mdoels such as Fibre to the Node.
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/03/09/nz-brings-fttp-costs-fttn-levels/
TomR
U seem to spend most of your time hunting around for links that support what u want to believe.
And if you don’t believe the $4,000 versus $2,000 cost for FTTP vs FTTN from NBNCo where would u get the costs from?
And even in NZ FTTP is expensive and does it factor into the equation the fact that Chorus did not have to pay megabucks for network access like NBNCo did to Telstra?
One advantage of FTTN is that is can be built much quicker giving NBNCo revenue. FTTP would take much longer to build and NBNCo needs the revenue now
And if you don’t believe the $4,000 versus $2,000 cost for FTTP vs FTTN from NBNCo where would u get the costs from?
I don’t disagree that’s what they WERE.
I disagree that they would have stayed at that price
Like I said TR … groundhog day … wonder if neel knows the difference between MBps and Mbps?
How many kb in a Gb …
What the NBN fibre is actually made of … does copper corrode or rust … the population of NZ compared to Australia … how the NBN speed is calculated … the difference between upload and download … how many hybrid formats does NBNCo enlist … the life expectancy of copper compared to fibre … why fibre is far more effective and efficient than all other forms of transmission (presently known) … does The Grinch have NBN … can rabbits communicate telepathically underground … what really happened to unicorns … and is it true Malfunction TurnAbbott invented the interwebby and is Bananaby Choice’s godfather?
Bated breathe I waiting am!
And how much would your NBN fibre cost and how long would it take to build? Is it worth the extra cost?
Just listening to the Victoria Human Rights Commissioner speak about her concerns regarding the MFB EBA.
There is no “casualisation” – her concern related to the right of people to request part time or flexible start/finish times for family/carer reasons
Quite unlike the way Tom R characterised the issue.
(I was, perhaps, mildly more interested in the casual idea that professional(ised/ising) career paths might be enhanced by having Craig make a piggybacked appearance: to discuss skipping and/or attenuating ‘fit for duty’ and ‘operational fighter…in the field’ stages of career development, and having Craig parachuted into operational firefighter management and beyond, where a background in professional firefighting per se arguably isn’t strictly necessary to participate in all sorts of firefightery and/or firefightery-related things, and the generic skills of being lesser hotelier gentry might come to the fore, without any particularly (dis)agreeable limit(s) on Craig’s more or less consultative (re)orderings of the worklives and working conditions of (in)subordinate(d) employees; but only because Michaelia seemed both a better exemplar of the other kind, or even the same kind, of ((in)direct) (anti-)discrimination)) equity a Victoria Human Rights Commissioner might or might not have have mused about in a slightly fuller submission to a FWC and become somewhat indisposed on the matter for personal/professional-managerial-workplace-restructuring reasons.)
And how much would “your NBN fibre cost and how long would it take to build? Is it worth the extra cost? ”
We are still waiting on your teams replacement costs of drowned and incinerated nodes kneel. (Costs that do not exist on the fully buried fiberToUser system.)
Add to the node cost, 8-bill atlassian float, add nearly 2-bill atlassian profit since float, add all brain-drain costs of fleeing tech-nerds ‘inventions’ and ‘biz’ to off-shore, kiwiland, canadia, singapore and silicon valley. Add the loss of investments of biz not coming to Aust or fleeing Aust, as telegraphWire system and ‘electricity’ war is seen by biz as a ‘weakness’ to biz markets and investing; And a ‘threat’ to the existing consumer base and biz.
Peddlers of teamZombie telegraphWires better learn how to do a ‘swot’ analysis.
By the way dummy, l’ve worked on a few underground (repair/install) service jobs over the years. One item YOU are being screwed on by YOUR team is; the transfered costs. Nodes mean more footpath and road cuttings. YOU will personally pay higher rates to YOUR council as footpath/ road life is shortened once they are hacked into and never last as long as when the ‘heavy’ machines make them. They usually crack around the ‘patching’ and water gets in under road and weakens tarmac and washes away supporting roadbase. Go have a look in your own street/ area.
I’m sure blib entered qandaland as 29% and departed as 17% @yaay.blib
her concern related to the right of people to request part time or flexible start/finish times for family/carer reasons
And, was there ever an issue there? Or was she making mountains?
U seem to spend most of your time hunting around for links that support what u want to believe.
I think you mean “evidence” 😉
And, was there ever an issue there? Or was she making mountains?
It certainly wasn’t about casualisation – which is what you said.
She point out that ambulance services, police, other emergency services have provisions that support people who seek flexibility for carer and family reasons.
Sensible people know this flexibility is vital in supporting (particularly) women getting back into the workforce, but that is something that the UFU don’t really care about
Just listening to the Victoria Human Rights Commissioner speak about her concerns regarding the MFB EBA.
I just listened to that myself.
It seems, her issue isn’t with the EBA, which allows for “the right of people to request part time or flexible start/finish times for family/carer reasons” (clause 43.3), it’s with the rostering.
That’s not the EBA’s problem, that’s managements!
And she’s blaming the Union?
https://www.3aw.com.au/tom-elliott-podcasts/
3AW Drive with Tom Elliott, June 13 at about the 1.30 mark
Not sure how the UFU is stopping that?
It was also interesting that a proud anti union man like tom elliot was in fact defending the Union in this. Strange bedfellows.
The ” Connections Cost Per Premises ” argument is total BullShit anyway kneel/ teamCheerer. Once they(teabagGovt) started buying-up Legacy telegraph wire and counted them as “connections” they were just pork barreling their rich mates. Example, say WireCo paid $one-mill for legacy rupert cable which had one-mill ‘sites’ connected; then WireCo paid one-dollar per connection. The fiber can never be done for one-dollar per connection. And telegraph wire will never perform to the level of fiber. Period.
yes, rostering of part time employees who have a family/carer responsibility should be part of a management’s job.
But in the proposed MFB EBA it requires the union to agree! Why does a union have to agree to an hours change for someone that has family responsibilities?
This isn’t causualisation Tom R (as you said) – it is just stupid, and typical of the nonsense that comes with out of control union claims.
“And telegraph wire will never perform to the level of fiber. Period.”
So what? U want to pay $500/month for fibre pay for it yourself.
Also i only understood the last sentence. U will have to speak in English if U want me to understand what u are saying
Why does a union have to agree to an hours change for someone that has family responsibilities
Because they need to ensure that the remaining workers are covered for their own protection.
Like I said, it’s a management issue, and one management are happy to disrupt as long as the Union keeps getting the blame.
U will have to speak in English if U want me to understand what u are saying
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No, the union doesn’t need to be part of that decision process. Management consults with the employees effected and has the responsibility to balance reasonable requests with operational demands.
If the other employees aren’t happy with the outcome, they ask the union to intervene – what’s wrong with that approach?
So, it’s a management issue.
(Not sure how the UFU is stopping that?
At a guess, by (quasi-)resisting part-time and flexified employment as normalised pandemic of the modern managerialist workscape; embedded in recruitment and hiring, where ’employee request’ is/n’t necessarily an issue, because notice of the new and improved flexibility arrangements, either way, is become a very successful feature of the employment contract in some nominally-(in)comparable workplaces and jurisdictions. Or, the EBA indirectly discriminates against a class of (potential) employees, some of whom might be performing (un)paid carer work or have other (un)der)recognised anti-discriminatory-/equal-opportunity-enlivening qualities as (potential) employees, and there are lots of general studies and statistics about (potential) employees as a total class, and reducing that total (potential) employee class down to an actual employment-eligible/employed subset, one ready, willing, and able, in the first instance, to work full-time, is so unfair and arguably unlawful, even if and especially if existing employees on the whole and/or employer (dis)agree to that, for whatever good/bad/indifferent/changeable reason, because some among the potentially excluded remainder of the total potential employee class might otherwise make fantastic (potential and/or actual) employees if only their (potential) employee requests were met.)
see clause 43.3 meta
improved flexibility arrangements
Yes, it’s become a wonderful marketing tool for driving down conditions.
“he ” Connections Cost Per Premises ” argument is total BullShit anyway kneel/ teamCheerer. Once they(teabagGovt) started buying-up Legacy telegraph wire and counted them as “connections” they were just pork barreling their rich mates. Example, say WireCo paid $one-mill for legacy rupert cable which had one-mill ‘sites’ connected; then WireCo paid one-dollar per connection. The fiber can never be done for one-dollar per connection. ”
What are U talking about?
U will have to speak in English if U want me to understand what u are saying
Funny … actually neel is a big fan of Russian!
И телеграфная проводка никогда не будет работать до уровня волокна. Период
Better?
What are U talking about?
Transalation …
Vot are U talking about?
See fkn Russian …
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So, it’s a management issue.
It usually is … that’s why we need unions … 🙂
that’s why we need unions
Yea, so managements got a scapegoat 😉
Most people accept that many women are unable to access work because they have carer and family responsibilities .
I think it is pretty well bi-partisan that great effort has to be made to provide this flexibility, but the UFU doesn’t see accommodating this issue as a priority.
but the UFU doesn’t see accommodating this issue as a priority.
Can you highlight where the UFU is not allowing this, as, even the radio guy admitted they do.
(Can you highlight where the UFU is not allowing this, as, even the radio guy admitted they do.
Clause 9? Although, a VHREOC might prefer to nominate some other abstracted clause(s), from some other certified workplace(s) agreement(s), relevant in some other jurisdiction(s), and relevant to some other(s) evolved networking(s) of workplaces interrelationships, for some other working environment(s), when comparatively assessing a particular workplace’s (un)reasonably considered and expressed operational requirements.)
Yea, so managements got a scapegoat 😉
Oh! I just saw the WINK! 😉
wot M said – I think ???
A couple of unions I’ve worked with could be described as arseholes … if you have not seen the way the management teams operate!
Many of the management teams work well with unions … apart from the arsehole unions …
Do you get the impression that I’ve worked with/trained BOTH side!
I can assure you the IR Pendulum has swung massively in favour of “management” … why the ” “? Red Peter’s Principle …
I should also resurrect Maslow … mmmm
A couple of unions I’ve worked with could be described as arseholes
They can be their own worst enemies.
I recall when they actually fought for our factory to introduce a 4 day week/10hr days. The factory workers loved it, saw 4 day week and thought, you beaut. None of them realized they were losing their Saturday and Sundays. And the Union fought for this shit, cos they said there was a pay rise attached lol
Imagine the world without unions … or just read history …
Imagine the world with educated/qualified managers … or wait for the history …
Imagine the world without unions
It’s obviously coincidence that wage drops and work conditions have coincided with Union membership falls
he ” Connections Cost Per Premises ” argument is total BullShit anyway kneel/ teamCheerer. Once they(teabagGovt) started buying-up Legacy telegraph wire and counted them as “connections” they were just pork barreling their rich mates. Example, say WireCo paid $one-mill for legacy rupert cable which had one-mill ‘sites’ connected; then WireCo paid one-dollar per connection. The fiber can never be done for one-dollar per connection.
I would really like to know what this is talking about
(What are U talking about?
I think U was type-talking about WireCoN paying for legacy rupert cable; upgrading/ repairing and maintaining legacy rupert cable at WireCoN’s expense; and WireCoN’s gifting rupert back the use of rehabbed legacy rupert cable on a first dibs basis for legacy rupert activities until WireCoN is 100% of 92% complete; thus introducing contention into WireCoN; for no obvious or explained WireCoN benefit; almost on a par with WireCon’s buying, scrapping, and delay-replacing legacy Optsus cable, because legacy Optsus cable was/is crap; and then there’s the telegraphwires, bought and (un)bought again for mucho rubles, although WireCon said it wouldn’t know what state of disrepair the telegraphwires were in, but were happy to buy more and more and more and more copper, and even happier to award longterm maintenance contracts to their original owners and dismaintainers; either that, or U is type-talking about how physically building a network differs from virtually building a network by buying-up bits and pieces of prior-subscriber-bases and their legacy hardwares, and pretending that ‘connection’ to WireCon is a real metric of ‘build’ costs, and not a makey-uppy metric to disguise-but-not-really the overvaluation of WireCon’s accumulated crappola assets which had long since been amortised by and were increasingly becoming liabilities to their legacy owners, and a great way for WireCoN stooges to plunder bonuses.)
What is WireCon? What is legacy rupert cable? Just spit it out. I cannot see the point in writing like you do
I cannot see the point in writing like you do
hmm, I might keep that quote for other occasions too 😉
In a few short years lnHouseThree’s kid/s will be out’n about; overnight fcuking her boy/girl friend, (possibly, likely, in one the 3500ish inferno-clad, grenfell type structures in boltland) as young people do. Of course there is no need for firemen. Who says boltsvillage burning to the ground is actually a bad thing?
So “what? U want to pay .. don’t understand ”
Scroll up dummy, you raised $2000 WireCo costs, and 4000 fiber costs. You keep thinking the ‘joke’ is on teamKnife and its supporters. The real ‘joke’ is on your OWN kid/s and gkids for all the reasons above. The telegraph wire costs and losses will continue to accrue long after we are cozy in our coffins. You still don’t know the drowned ‘node’ replacement costs kneel?
телеграфная проводка никогда (-:
(Excellent points Meta. Pointedly made!) @ROFL
ls everybody still swooning over blib on qandaland? l didn’t watch the blib-a-thon, he tends to annoy me. Other news snippets were highly unimpressive, or did blib get fakeNews’d?
Well a little clearer. But people buy the cars they can afford not the cars they would like to drive. Same with the NBN. FTTN is expensive enough. Labors FTTP would bankrupt the country. It is also much slower to build. FTTN means more connections quicker generating some cash flow
Still would like to know what legacy Rupert cable is
what “ legacy Rupert cable is ”
https://www.afr.com/technology/web/nbn/foxtel-locks-nbn-into-troubled-hfc-network-through-turnbulls-telstra-deal-20171203-gzxqk8
But “people buy the cars they can afford not the cars they would like to drive.” @horse @shit
Nations need to build/buy the utility infrastructure the nation needs to stay in viable biz competition in the modern world. Or they’re toast.
FTTP “would bankrupt the country. It is also much slower to build.” @more @horse @shit
You keep reciting accountancy based, too expensive “imbeciles-delight” which is the fodder of fools unable to comprehend the “expense” of NOT doing it. lf we had the same type of teabag imbeciles in the past, the nation would NOT have water, gas, telecom or electricity. You might want to see the vicenews story on india’s water and sewer problems to learn about the “expense” of NOT-DOING things. Node Price kneel???
hmm, I might keep that quote for other occasions too 😉
Oh, so many occasions … 🙂
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the nation would NOT have water, gas, telecom or electricity
You missed RAILWAYS! (Get those fk B Doubles off the highways!)
what “ legacy Rupert cable is ”
Just as I thought u got it wrong. Labor purchased the HFC network to decommission it. Since we had paid all this money Turnbull thought since HFC is fibre perhaps we could use it. But it was LABOR who purchased the HFC network
http://ministers.treasury.gov.au/DisplayDocs.aspx?doc=pressreleases/2011/070.htm&pageID=003&min=wms&Year=&DocType=
The Gillard Government today welcomed the announcement by NBN Co and Optus that they had entered into an agreement that will see Optus decommission its Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) cable network and migrate customers to the National Broadband Network (NBN).
You “missed RAILWAYS! ” Nah, l would have added it, austpost, sewers, drainage, but it would have been ‘too lengthy’ for inHouseOne to comprehend. Just like he doesn’t comprehend anything. lncluding Decommission. (-: (-:
I understand decommission. But it was Labor who purchased the HFC network to decommission it. Turnbull had the idea that since NBNCo had purchased it we may be able to use it, I guess the contract had to be rewritten.
But Labors FTTP is very expensive and slow to build which is why Turnbull made the changes he did
(….which is why Turnbull made the changes he did
да)
BTW the problems with slow speeds ATM have nothing to do with changes made by Turnbull. High CVC fees charged by NBNCo means Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds especially at peak times. Just google “CVC and NBN”
People are not even going for the highest speeds U can get with copper because of the cost
All that the high cost proves is; that WireCo is too expensive because talkbull is an imbecile (and his team of zombie swooners) just as the gay marriage poll was a 123-mill spend to prove he is a weak leader. Just lucky that teamKnife will keep floundering under un-believe-a-blib.
DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO GO THERE BECAUSE I. WILL. GO. THERE.
Who says Michaelia doesn’t know how to please ‘her’ man?
“All that the high cost proves is; that WireCo is too expensive because talkbull is an imbecile (and his team of zombie swooners”
Like most ALP voters you do not care about poor people. Apparently it costs approx. $2,000 to install FTTN and $4,000 for FTTP. For individual installation it costs $15,800 for FTTP. Pay for it yourself if you want it
Apparently it costs approx. $2,000 to install FTTN and $4,000 for FTTP.
You really need to keep up to date nil
NBN Co has been insisting for 4 years that the cost of rolling out FTTP in Australia remains constant at $4400 per premises. But many FTTP operators around the world have reduced the cost of FTTP by as much as 50 per cent by incorporating improved construction techniques. For example, in New Zealand, Chorus has reduced the costs of FTTP deployment by 44 per cent over the past few years, using a variety of approaches.
https://www.smh.com.au/technology/why-nbn-cos-justifications-for-not-rolling-out-fibre-to-the-premises-are-misleading-20170712-gx9dti.html
I don’t think the price for building FTTP would ever come down because we have the govt building this thing
Think what you like nil, but thems the fax
THE Turnbull Government is scrambling to rule out any sell-off of the ABC after the Liberal party membership voted in favour of privatisation on the weekend.
On Saturday, the Liberal federal council passed a motion with a two-to-one majority calling on the coalition to sell off the ABC, except in regional areas.
Would anyone really care if the ABC was sold? It’s a self-interested media beat up by the self-interested ABC.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/concerns-for-future-of-abc-after-liberal-federal-council-votes-to-sell-off-public-broadcaster/news-story/c0c702d211132a94805b13de138840d7
It’s a self-interested media beat up by the self-interested ABC.
So, the commies at theirabc got them poor happless libs to vote for selling it off, against their will.
Is that what you really believe TomM?
No, but the ABC is all bothered about the subject, no one else seems to be. Certainly the suggestion doesn’t worry me.
no one else seems to be.
Perhaps not in yor li’l circle anyways 😉
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2018/06/09/mitch-fifield-the-ipa-and-the-abc/15284664006345
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-18/derrick-belan-sentenced-to-four-years-jail/9881922
Go union!
Would anyone really care if the ABC was sold? It’s a self-interested media beat up by the self-interested ABC.
You and the Liberal Party seem to “care” …
… the rest of us are happy to have an unbiased (often tongue in cheek) AUSTRALIAN approach to political BULLSHIT from ALL sides of politics rather than NEWSCORP rallying cries for the far RIGHT!
FEAR breeds religious fervour … and its so, so obvious …
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
(….which is why Turnbull made the changes he did
да)
As … * … alias “M” demonstrates …
Go union!
Can’t wait for the RC on Banking and Financial Services charges, court cases and imprisonments … can’t wait, can’t wait … c a a n ‘ t w a a i t …………………… zzzzzzzzz
At least Queensland now has corporate manslaughter legislation!
LOL! Just saw your “source” – mobile.abc.net.au./news …
Certainly the suggestion doesn’t worry me.
As an Australian it should!
WOOHOO, they finally got one.
I guess, if you cast yer net wide enough, you’ll get a few small fish whilst all the big ones go about protecting workers rights
fer context 😉
And, in light of the #NBN fiasco, you can’t blame netflix for the traffic congestion. They went above and beyond to minimise their footprint.
Ans interesting article about Netflix Open Connect
https://media.netflix.com/en/company-blog/how-netflix-works-with-isps-around-the-globe-to-deliver-a-great-viewing-experience
Like I said TomR. Just google “CVC and NBN”. Speed problems have nothing to do with changes made by Turnbull but everything to do with high CVC fees charged by NBNCo meaning Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds
Speed problems have nothing to do with changes made by Turnbull
FTTP “had” much (SHITLOADS) more capacity, therefore, NBN “could have” charged less for more. #lordbufferingofwentworth created a congested system, where bandwidth is now a premium, and lacking in many areas, therefore, CVC charges will be pushed higher.
Do you get it yet nil?
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labors-nbn-triple-the-costs-and-glacial-speeds/news-story/6699c4a288dc2a402efda86cf93153d2
Slow connections plaguing the National Broadband Network would have been even worse under Labor’s gold-plated scheme because the costly bandwidth charges that are causing the problem would have been up to three times higher.
The assessment comes from New Street Research’s Ian Martin, who added that if NBN Co had stuck with the former Labor government’s plan the likely losses to taxpayers over the scheme would have been “$50 billion to $60bn”, as opposed to an estimated $30bn under the Coalition’s approach.
Mr Martin, who advises institutional investors on telco stocks, said it was not possible to model how slow NBN connections would have been under Labor’s fibre-to-the-premises model, because they would have been so glacial and service costs so high that consumers would have rejected the scheme outright.
“Under the original plan bandwidth charges would have to double or triple,” Mr Martin said. “It’s an impossible dream because the market just won’t bear the cost, it wouldn’t work.
And, we’re back where we started 😦
https://theguttertrash.com/2018/05/12/past-performance-is-no-guarantee-of-future-returns/#comment-145426
yes we are
https://theguttertrash.com/2018/05/12/past-performance-is-no-guarantee-of-future-returns/#comment-145433
and yet you went back to what you even acknowledged was a ‘piece of fiction”
It said what Ian Martin said cannot be proved right because we cannot go back in time. But it should be possible. High cvc fees charged by NBNCo is the problem which would be worse with a full fibre network
which would be worse with a full fibre network
If Labor hadn’t changed them, which, they have proved, they will change when the needed.
It’s made up shit. No wonder you keep going back to it.
Not sure what you are saying. CVC fees are needed to pay for the running costs and to make a profit. The only way to solve the CVC problem is to write off the cost of the NBN and add it to the govt debt. then you could remove cvc fees or at least keep them small
The only way to solve the CVC problem is to write off the cost of the NBN
Or, increase bandwidth 😉
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-01/telcos-cry-foul-over-controversial-nbn-charge-for-bandwidth/8762404
Australian internet providers are in open conflict with the National Broadband Network, urging the wholesaler to drop its controversial charge for bandwidth.
At the moment every internet provider has to purchase how much bandwidth they need per month from the NBNco.
The more they buy, the less likely their speeds will slow down during peak hours.
This charge is called the Connectivity Virtual Circuit (CVC) and NBN chief executive Bill Morrow insists it is needed to eventually recover the cost of building the network and make a modest return on the Government’s $49 billion investment.
Another fantabulous 48-hour news cycle folks. While some dribbled their devotion over obsolete telegraph wires; l noticed optsus couldn’t deliver soccer (likely due to dud WireCo supply) and had to be bailed out by a taxpayer funded broadcaster. @HawHawHaw There was also some wonderful teabag on teabag punch-on somewhere. @What.a.shame Nothing has the lefties squirting harder tho, than the privatize my Abc scary scary. Quite frankly l reckon its not too bad of an idea. The construction ‘industry-super’ funds would be the perfect investors. Just think how great qandaland would be when freed from its shackles of fakeBalance and able to ‘campaign’ on behalf of its new owners. (-:
Via TeamCheerer/ SMH “it becomes clear that FTTP is now cheaper to roll out than ever, and the rate at which it is being rolled out around the world is accelerating. There is no good reason why Australia should not be enjoying FTTP. There are few better examples of how to embrace FTTP than in New Zealand. Chorus is efficiently getting on with the job of rolling out FTTP in New Zealand, while NBN Co seems to be fixated on finding excuses for why Australia is not able to do the same. ”
That was a good find TC. Nothing but excuses and fcukups coming out of WireCo now, so picking arguments with kiwiFiber, looks like pretty soon auckland will be the next mega-tech area, a la silicon valley, while our imbeciles drag us backward.
Chorus in NZ is not a good comparison. They did not have to pay megabucks for access to the network like NBNCo did to Telstra
(….problem is to write off the cost of the NBN and add it to the govt debt….and make a modest return on the Government’s $49 billion investment
Is that (not) what a (former-)merchant banker, blooded by Packer in the Bond-era, and graduated to Goldman Sachs senior partnership, and latterly a unit-investor in New York funds of Cayman funds of inter alia vulture funds, said might (not) be the optimal fate of/for a less-for-more-is-more-(f)or-less-like-comparative-(sub-)standard-overseas-retail-Telco-operatives-in-competive-markets-just-ignore-that-we’re-talking-about-a-government-backed-nation-building-infrastructure-operating-a-wholesale-quasi-monopoly’s-ARPU’s-max-revenue-generating’s-P&Lsomethings’s-(double(d)(-cut-)price-(un(crystallised)-write(s)-down(s)-NB(MTM)N’s (fire)sale?)
At the moment every internet provider has to purchase how much bandwidth they need per month from the NBNco.
And, if there was more bandwidth (you know, like was available under FTTP) it would be cheaper to purchase.
They did not have to pay megabucks for access to the network like NBNCo did to Telstra
Whose fault was that again.
And, after Labor paid for it … ALL, malcayman gave it back, and now pays them for access,again
Better financial managers ROFL
“Whose fault was that again.”
Not sure what U are raving on about. NBNCo had to pay Telstra megabucks for their network. That happened under Rudd/Conroy. Testra was not going to give NBNCo their network for nothing. In NZ, Chorus did not have to do that for some reason so they can build FTTP cheaper.
Who sold telstra?
Who, after Labor had paif mega bugks to get it back, renegotiated, again, and ended up paying them, again?
And look how telstra repay all this largesse
https://outline.com/cgrTJd
Face it nil, the libs have made a total cluster fark of our telecommunications industry. Howrd did it first, and then malcayman came along and outdit howrds stuff up. The only ones who benefit from their decisions are the spivs
I got told (offLine) kiwiFiber is already down to 1700/1800 per connection, which makes it already cheaper than the teabag-node system. They(wireCo) haven’t told us how many 10000’s these teabag-nodes cost which kiwiFiber didn’t waste cash on either.
The only ones who benefit from their decisions are the spivs
You say that in a way that seems to disparage spivs
You say that in a way that seems to disparage spivs
Oh, did I?
https://varchitectthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/mission_accomplished_baby.jpg?w=300&h=300
“I got told (offLine) kiwiFiber is already down to 1700/1800 per connection, which makes it already cheaper than the teabag-node system. ”
What planet do U live on? Everything the ALP does is more expensive than anywhere else. U live in leftie laa laa land where everything is free and Labor does everything better.
The only thing the ALP is good at is locking up people. ALP locked up 50,000 boat people last time. A record for Australia
Then I got told (onLine) kiwiFiber is already down to 1100/1600 per connection and zero for nodes, which makes it already cheaper than the teabag-node system. They(wireCo) haven’t told us how many 10000’s these teabag-nodes cost which kiwiFiber didn’t waste cash on either.
https://hotcopper.com.au/documentdownload?id=uOMxKKzFkiWRTLKhOROKAxjvSDYL4wq%2BwBf%2Fv%2FR36rFiGug%3D
While you were busy typei-talki-panicking ultraFast highSpeed kiwiFiber costs fell again.
You say ‘spiv’ like it’s a bad thing.
I agree with Yom.
I agree with Yom.
You mean that I call them spivs like it’s a b-b-bad thing? 😉
OK if New Zealand can do fibre so cheap why cannot NBNCo do it for the same price?
Because the LIBERAL NATIONAL COALITION GOVERNMENT fucked up the original rollout into a HYBRID DISASTER …
cleverbridge has offices in Chicago, Cologne, San Francisco and Tokyo.
Cleverbridge collects payment for software …
I just paid one of my invoices from them, along with 10% GST … a couple of questions struck me …
Just how will our “clevergovernment” actually enforce receipt of said GST?
Have I simply had my payment increased by 10%?
Does cleverbrige pay ANY corporate tax or am I simply doing that for them?
Does any other government in the world expect other countries’ businesses to charge a GST/VAT type tax?
Will Geoffrey Hardly Normal become any more wealthy?
On “vat/gst” ,, l think you’re probably fretting the small stuff hey? ,, The 90% you are paying for your software, (music, film) that you can’t sell on secondhand market when finished with, or give to friends etc
In this case only five bucks – however, you missed my point … it has JUST been collected … doesn’t come into force till 1st July … price gouging?
And from little things … ? Watch yer pennies … better in my pocket than theirs …
I’ve actually asked for a refund of the $5 … the reply will be interesting … if I get one …
cleverbridge are not renowned for customer service around here … typical accountants company … “we jus’ collects da moola, man …” (And can’t read legal documents – hidden in full view on government sites!
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/busi/cargo-support-trade-and-goods/importing-goods/duty-rates-and-taxes/low-
refund “of the $5” ,, Yeah, understood Teebz, of course it will be a gouge excuse, until one of the big-sites, apple, google, fakebook, etc decide they don’t want to be pushed about by a jumped-up minor nation with weak imbeciles in Govt and actually decide to test/ boycott that nation.
OK if New Zealand can do fibre so cheap why cannot NBNCo do it for the same price?
#murdoch
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/should-australian-women-be-allowed-to-carry-tasers-and-pepper-spray/news-story/b08dd65a7d56a032fd89f97328f13f04
Should Australian women be allowed to carry tasers and pepper spray?
I bought my daughter a few cans of pepper spray when I was in the US recently. I’ve asked her to carry it in her hand (and not in her bag) if she is walking alone.
ToM … don’t know about Victoria but they are illegal in Q.
Just checked for you … illegal in Vic
http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?document_id=37788
Seems WA considers them “controlled weapons” … licensed?
Yes, I know they’re illegal, but I think it is reasonable that women carry them.
If it gives my daughter a chance to run then it’s worth the risk
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-warn-public-of-serious-sex-offender-on-the-run-in-victoria-20180625-p4znjc.html
Police warn public of serious sex offender on the run in Victoria
Serious sex offenders should be required to wear tracking devices – or left locked up.
In any event how does it protect women by having a “serious sex offender” pop into a police station from time to time – does he only attack women at 10am?
We again have an outpouring of emotion about the recent rape and murder of a young woman, following all the outpouring of emotion last time it happened.
The current system isn’t working to protect women and it’s time for some serious change, predators simply should not be allowed in the streets.
No argument here, ToM (unusual, hey?) … there a five women in my family aged from 16 to – The Minister …
I do believe the men in my family are also at risk in some areas … (youngest is 14)
“Predators” (I call them arseholes) have always been around …
And woe betide any of them playing silly buggers around here … my son and I would be most displeased … and we have four other men to call on …
Prevention, I agree, is still the best approach … along with risk assessment by possible “victims” …
The world has never been a “gentle” place …
You may recall that (along with The Minister and our then 16yo son) … I lived in PNG for 12 months …
BTW is there a “system” …?
Yes, “I know they’re illegal,”
but “I think it is reasonable that”
That’s mighty white of you. Just as long as sallyMc don’t engage in this hypocrisy hey!
Yes TB, “arseholes” is a reasonable term, there is such a history of them reoffending – violence against women is in the most serious category and the usual rules about parole, bail and rehabilitation don’t seem to work.
Agree, ToM
Any informed lawyer, magistrate, police and/or prison officer will tell you that recidivism has always been and still is the major problem …
I’m a three times and you’re out person (from my Interaction Management days) …
But with these arseholes … once and see ya!
We could always reopen Port Arthur … or Kingston on Norfolk Island 🙂
They could both do with an income boost!
Pity is, those places are beatifully spectacular!
We need a really shithouse Pacific Island … drop in minimal supplies every six months and let Lord of the Flies syndrome do its work!
Can everybody please remain frightened. “We will decide” which wogs we allow to come here and the manner we store negroes offshore. “We will decide” who gets to keep their rights or whether we murder them and destroy their homeland. “We will decide” if pedos in frocks and thieves in banks need to front the court. “We will decide” in all manner who gets treated decently regardless of class, sex, or other personal demographic, just don’t paint cocks on the grass.
“”We need a really shithouse Pacific Island …”
Why reward them with a warm climate. I favour Macquarie Island between Tasmania and the Antarctic.
Macquarie’s fine, wally … further away the better … any islands in the Antarctic?
Can someone translate Boo … please!
(Can someone translate Boo … please!
Something about psychosocial manipulations, moral panics, (zero-)risk(y) bias(es)…and Turing tests?)
tnx M ???
After all these long years of providing YouKnowWho with daily ethical trainy trainy; it has finally paid off; with your student correctly identifying one form of ‘predator’ behaviour all under his own steam. For that alone you both deserve mucho kudos and congratulations. However you cannot rest on your laurels as your student will always struggle to identify the pixar listed ‘predator’ behaviours the ‘elite’/ system engages in. l can only encourage your continued hard work with your student.
That’s mighty white of you. Just as long as sallyMc don’t engage in this hypocrisy hey!
the ” Coral Sea cable system, which Australia is funding ”
signed ” a $136 million contract to build undersea cables from Australia to the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea.”
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/contract-signed-for-pacific-data-cables
Wow! Just how lucky is solomon and png? We get to pay for their telegraphWires too! I wonder if we’ll be throwing in the ‘nodes’ as well? Now we just have to wait’n see if vanuatu ends up suing our arse off for stuffing up their cable biz with that wonderful tpp teabag idea. The OwnGoals just keep’a coming.
If it gives my daughter a chance to run then it’s worth the risk
One rule for your Daughter, another for a Union!
What if it was a Union breaking laws in order to protect YOUR daughter on the work site (as opposed to previously somebody elses daughter/son)?
No Tom R, I’m a parent who is taking a personal decision in the interests of my daughter’s personal safety.
If I was leading a public organisation, and advocating a legal change, I would have a different responsibility. People in public positions have a responsibility to maintain a sense of lawful behaviour.
I think it’s great that people that lead public organisations advocate changes to law, organise protests, or campaigns etc – but they should not specifically advocate organised breaking of the law.
Can someone translate ToM … please!
I might exceed the speed limit from time to time, because that’s my personal decision – and I will accept the consequences of that action if I’m fined.
But if I was in a position of authority, it would be entirely irresponsible for me to advocate that everyone should ignore road regulations they don’t like.
Can someone translate ToM … please!
Yes
One rule for yomm, one rule for Unions
No, imagine your outrage if the head of some business group went on TV to advise business to only pay tax if they felt like it
Tom R – one rule for unions and a different rule for everyone else
(What else is no rule, same rule, and differant rule?)
went on TV to advise business to only pay tax if they felt like it
yea, right 😉
https://www.skynews.com.au/page/business-news
They call it ‘tax minimilsation’
Can “ someone translate ” Your student is struggling again. The first struggle is ‘comprehension’ as your student thinks ” leading a public organisation ” is part of his argument; even tho da-onions, churches, political-teams and biz-organizations are normally identified as Private-Clubs. Your student then struggles to understand the term ‘one-rule for-all’ and its concept. Can you imagine the inHouse hysteria had somebody else’s daughter; a german backpacker that had never worked on construction before; and plummeted to her death on a perth construction site; and da-onions, her parents, or sallyMc had obtained illegal weapons and distributed those weapons to da-members? @TeabagPanicMeltdown
They call it ‘tax minimilsation’
Really? This isn’t about unions or business using tricky legal means to minimise their obligations. Unions will use every legal tactic available to them to avoid the bits of the law they consider too limiting. Some businesses do likewise regarding tax.
This is about an organisational leader specifically advocating breaking the law. Has the leader of AIG or BCA specifically said – “companies should stop paying tax..”?
This is about an organisational leader specifically advocating breaking the law.
Which is just what you proposed.
Remember, a ‘Union’ isn’t a business, it’s a ‘union’ of Individuals
Has the leader of AIG or BCA specifically said – “companies should stop paying tax..”?
I’ll leave you to decide 😉
The advisor or promoter tells participants that, by operating their business or income producing activities through such a foundation, participants are able to ‘opt out of,’ or disregard the tax system.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-the-figjam-philanthropist,11644
Yea, our ‘Philanthropic’ pm. What a load of shit he spouts!
This is about an organisational leader specifically advocating breaking the law.
I think you meant “turning a blind eye” …
Have you been following the RC on Banking & the Financial Industry.
AND I can assure you from very personal experience that businesses flout HS&W laws every hour of every day to “make a quid”.
You seem to think that the Robber Barons are there for the people … I call BS on that … and I can guarantee you that when right wing governments are charged with governing HS&W laws it gets slacker!
Twice as many people die in workplaces as on the roads … think about why!
I know you like links ….
https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/statistics-and-research/statistics/fatalities/fatality-statistics
https://bitre.gov.au/statistics/safety/fatal_road_crash_database.aspx
Don’t confuse the poor boy TB 😉
“”Twice as many people die in workplaces as on the roads … think about why!””
But from your Link…………………….
“”As at 1 June, there have been 58 Australian workers killed at work in 2018.
In 2017, the preliminary data show there were 187 Australian workers killed at work, compared with 182 workers in 2016…………..””
So far 170 have died this year on NSW roads. Then add the other states and territories
http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/statistics/index.html
Coincidence? I think not.
Yes, wally, my mistake the figure I was quoting for workplace fatalities was between 2003 – 2018. Road fatalities are higher.
Still way too many workplace accidents …
… and the current Dreamworld inquest is very telling … I discussed predictions with a couple of managers I know before it began … we predicted … legislation non compliance, lack of (or not enforced) policies – procedures – protocols, inadequate or no training (including induction), unqualified personnel, poor maintenance – lack of programmed maintenance plans, incompetent senior management (read lazy) … an obsession with profits …
Seen it all before in so many industries, professions and workplaces … I could count on one hand the businesses that I still know who do ALL of that well …
Will the Queensland Government have the balls to enforce their corporate manslaughter laws I wonder.
Re workplace fatalities – it depends on how you define an death due to work, for example – most asbestos exposure occurs in the workplace and there are literally thousands dying as a consequence of the exposure.
On the other hand, if you only include actual work incidents – there are relatively few.
ToM … asbestos has not been used in manufacture since 1984 … so there will be very few “workplace” deaths … and you are correct the legacy is still with us, our children, grandchildren and every other generation to follow …
And deaths will occur for many families associated with workers in asbestos (including building trades, engineers and people in the auto industries – brakes and clutch discs were riddled with the stuff) … a friend of ours died at 60 from mesothelioma – her father’s overalls were washed at home …
Only workers deaths are recorded … in 1992 I oversaw the testing of ex-workers every two years – a cohort of 400 men … every year there was at least three negative diagnoses …
But your “argument” is irrelevant when dealing with “reportable deaths” … they are from the workplace …
And as usual you choose an extreme and unusual circumstance …
BTW it was the unions that carried the case against James Hardie … !
“”Coincidence? I think not.””
No comment ToM?
ToM
This is a more interesting case … for workplace reportable deaths …
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/german-police-arrest-56yearold-worker-accused-of-murdering-colleagues-over-18year-period/news-story/100a45328b942b00dda1d1d3c06da1ac
My first reaction was 18! in one workplace!
I am not a believer in coincidence … especially 18 of the buggers!
Gawd! I am having problems with numbers today … 21 deaths in 18 years! Even worse.
… asbestos has not been used in manufacture since 1984 … so there will be very few “workplace” deaths … If only that were true.
Probably not many ‘recorded’ workplace deaths
But I have a mate who’s a chippy, who got out, cos he’s sick of getting halfway through a job and discovering that the place is filled with asbestos (this is before he worked out he himself would have to determine what it was)
Another person who just last year was working on a Government site, and halfway through the Union shut ’em down.
Turned out the stuff they were ripping down was all asbestos. They’d been there for weeks with no protection.
The Government had contracted it out with asbestos removal contracted in. After the company subbied it, to various other sub subbies etc (you know the story), the actual contracted one weren’t advised of the asbestos removal. Someone pocketted that. Now others may die, for someones tidy profit.
And I haven’t heard anything about it since.
Probably not many ‘recorded’ workplace deaths
My point, TR, “workplace” … asbestosis and mesothelioma are both awful …
I recently lost my usual cool 😉 when a mate told me his builder mate had recently done some work for his daughter (who I know very well) they had cut a large servery hatch into the wall between lounge and kitchen, completely sheeted in fibro (the modern sheeting term is “fibre cement” BTW) … his daughter has a six year old … I got the “it’ll be right, mate” … couldn’t believe that in 2018 and my mate knows my HS&W background …
The fibre that gets you is measured in microns and invisible to the human eye …
Ironically you can safely drink water that may have asbestos in it …
No excuse for ignorance … consequences are often based upon laziness … as you pointed out (or PROFIT!)
I’ve had a few trips this year, which I enjoy. I’m in Paris for the week, and was last here 3 years ago.
Nothing much changes in these cities in that time, but I notice a huge effort going into encouraging bikes and alternative transport.
Electric bikes and scooters are used to beat the traffic congestion.
Paris has a fantastic metro but it has also become over congested. I suppose encouraging bike riding might ease a little of thus too.
One of the things that annoys me about Australia is that people think they have to dress as if they’re in the Tour de France to ride a bike. Requiring helmets also discourages casual use of the bike hire schemes. The nanny state helmet requirements and the cycling culture in Australia puts us a long way behind European cities.
puts us a long way behind European cities.
Yes, Bike Helmet laws are stupid. Study after study show the negative impact far outweighs the positive safety aspect.
The day they came in, was the day kids stopped riding bikes to school
The day they came in, was the day kids stopped riding bikes to school
Link?
Here’s one …
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2012/10/15/cyclists_without_helmets_triple_their_chance_of_death_by_head_injury.html
I remember the BS from workers AND management when safety hats were made mandatory on building sites … try going on a site now without one …
And those fkn seat belts in cars – how stupid … and bloody uncomfortable …
And how stupid to have to work on a roof with a fkn harness or scaffolding!
And ask the lekkies about having to do first aid training EVERY year!
Cycle helmets won’t stop accidents (especially to those cyclists who ride two and three abreast on a single lane road … but they do REDUCE INJURIES to those who are in an accident.
All my kids rode to school … with a helmet on …
Jeese … get over it …
BTW, don’t they wear helmets in the Tour de France etc? Good enough for the pros ????
Just sayin’
I’ll see your link, and raise it one 😉
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/index.html
And those stupid Formula One Grand Prix drivers. If they didn’t have their helmets on surely their vision would improve. Same goes for any Motor Cycle Grand Prix.
So, I should wear a helmet driving to work?
If you are on a bicycle (being the environmental zealot you are I’d hope you are pedaling) then definitely.
If driving a car the roof should surfice
I just about choked on my muesli yesterday when I read this. Talk about a sense of entitlement. And a tad narcissistic I might add………………..
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/from-today-i-ll-be-paying-45-a-day-to-go-to-work-20180701-p4zouo.html
Here, people hop on their bike to go and get their milk and bread, in Australia people don’t get on a bike unless they are dressed for the peloton.
There is now a cycling culture in Australia that id dominated by the MAMIL When I was a youth a bike was widely used as a means of transport for everyone, now it is mainly sued as a form of exercise for men.
If driving a car the roof should surfice
What about convertibles?
Now yer being really silly! (and/or clutching at handlestraws) Chortle!
BTW “cyclehelmets.org” as an unbiased link … chortle …
BTW “cyclehelmets.org” as an unbiased link … chortle …
sure, but they have the studies (plural) to back up their claims. 😉
The Personnel Manager at James Hardie once said to me, “if we had been as safety conscious with asbestos as they are with electricity, we would still be using it today” …
I just shook my head … I was wearing a hard hat at the time … you see different risks require different solutions …
Helmets for bikes = pretty detailed risk analysis …
… whinging bike riders can still ride two abreast – while I have to drive around them with a one metre gap – or slow to pedal power with a dozen cars behind me … where’s the give and take?
60% …? Plural
https://www.google.com.au/search?newwindow=1&source=hp&ei=PhU7W_j8PNjn-AaC9IHYCQ&q=risk+of+injury+not+wearing+cycle+helmets&oq=risk+of+injury+not+wearing+cycle+helmets&gs_l=psy-ab.12…1447.12377.0.13843.41.36.0.2.2.0.565.7262.2-14j4j2j3.23.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..16.23.6619.0..0j0i131k1j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.0.XvkjplvL_AQ
I liked this from up near the top of your results 🙂
http://www.essentialkids.com.au/activities/sport/the-argument-for-an-end-to-mandatory-bike-helmet-laws-20180309-h0x9gr
“What about convertibles?”
A good one would have a roll bar
The legal requirement to wear a helmet limits people riding bikes to those wanting to be part of the peloton crew.
No one jumps on their bike to get milk and bread. People used to do that in Australia. They still do here.
The cycling culture has become the domain of middle aged men.
The legal requirement to wear a helmet limits people riding bikes to those wanting to be part of the peloton crew.
Wot nonsense … I dodge kids on the footpath going to school every morning on my walk …
Helmets could save your life or the life of your loved one.
‘Ti not rocket science …
95% of bike riders in Australia these days are middle aged men in lycra -MAMILS
Here (the country of the Tour de France) 95% of cyclist are just people using bikes as a routine transport option, MAWIOC- middle aged women in ordinary clothes.
Cycling has been hijacked by up themselves blikes in Australia, and the requirement for helmets is part of the problem.
wots a “blike” … 😉
Knee pads, elbow pads and leather gloves are on the table too
That’s quite an interesting typo… “blike” a bloke on a bike?
” Re workplace fatalities – it depends on how you define an death due to work ”
@Sigh!! ,, Your student requires still more trainy trainy, l strongly urge you to teach him to read your links! ,, @(June 28, 2018 9:26 am)
asbestos “has not been used in manufacture since 1984 @in-Aust @agree
The good news tho Teebz is, we successfully over-rode our material safety laws; and wasted all those clean-up dollars by; outsaucing building inspectors to private-biz; and having foreign importers defraud us; so we now have loads of building materials installed all over the place; containing between 15% and 28% asbestos; or/and recycled asbestos material, along with the inferno-cladding. So when we get a grenfell event, expect the surrounding area to get a good asbestos shower as well.