Conclusions
There’s a scene in the movie Children of Men where the character played by Michael Caine (Jasper Palmer) walks outside of the family home to be knowingly shot dead by government officials who suspect he’s colluding with other anarchists who fail to subscribe to the prevailing government’s ethos.
The movie points to a dystopian future where the media and the government are complicit in forming popular opinion and actively encourage citizens to commit suicide as a way to lessen the burden on the rest of society.
While we may not have arrived at this stage yet, I fear our current government has set us upon a path that could see such a scenario unfold in the distant future. Let’s face it, voting citizens are just an unnecessary inconvenience to an otherwise omnipotent government.
While this prediction may seem melodramatic, consider for a moment, the state of things in Australia.
Our current media landscape is dominated by three main players; Fairfax, News Ltd, and the government funded/subsidised ABC and SBS.
As most of us already know, News Ltd content, and its coverage is pretty much exclusively pro-conservative in its leanings and this extends to the current government.
Fairfax has, for the last ten to 15 years or so, presented a fairly ‘balanced’ view when it comes to political coverage, however this has become compromised in recent years in no part due to its declining audience, and therefore an increasing pressure to present coverage that is favourable to its ever reducing base of corporate advertisers .
If you’ve ever wondered why Fairfax continues to spruik residential property as a “sure fire” investment you need only consider that the weekend real estate supplement in both The Age and Sydney Morning Herald respectively, are responsible for the overwhelming majority of its revenue. This, despite recurring figures that show we’re heading towards a monumental property crash.
The ABC, already on life support after savage budget cuts, is under increasing pressure to provide pro-government coverage (irrespective of whoever is in power), for its very survival, a move that serves as both a disservice to Australians (who fund it) and pushes it further towards becoming a government propaganda channel, rather than a mechanism for holding the government of the day to account as per its charter.
Scott Morrison and Mathias Cormann would have us all believe that the economy is doing fine and the future is rosy, but you’d have to be a moron to believe this is true.
Interest rates are at record lows, not because the economy is doing well, but because it’s on life support, and with no prospect of recovering any time soon.
Trump is rapidly heading the world towards an international trade war that will see share markets tumble and plunge the world into economic crisis.
Meanwhile in Australia, we have among the highest (if not the highest) level of household debt in the developed world, high levels of underemployment, escalating job insecurity, and wage stagnation.
The Turnbull govt is busy slashing penalty rates and subsidising big business – with OUR money – while telling us ‘we’ve never had it so good.’
This whole sorry saga is about to some crashing down on our heads and it will be all thanks to the neo-cons at the LNP.
My advice – get out of debt now, while you still can.
BTW, that’s not me in the photo.
It’s ToM.
Great read, sreb! Still “got it”, pal.
Trump is rapidly heading the world towards an international trade war that will see share markets tumble and plunge the world into economic crisis. That historically leads to a blood and treasure wasting war … check out the 1930’s …
My advice – get out of debt now, while you still can.
Or at the very least don’t vote Liberal, LNP, Conservative, One Nation or any Independent crackpots – especially to the Senate … Hinch, Katter, Leyonjhelm spring immediately to mind …
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BTW, that’s not me in the photo.
It’s ToM.
I knew that – no helmet – and blowing in the wind … 🙂
And that’s after going to the hairdresser!
Nice post reb. l haven’t seen the film yet, tho it sounds a little soylent green. The legacy outlets have not served viewers well for decades now, l have always considered it pretty gutless of them (say) to scream about ‘ruski’ corruption and oligarchy while remaining near silent on ‘our’ corruption and oligarchy. Currently legacy outlets ‘scream’ about the-ronald, in lockstep with their echo chamber off-shore, so l don’t share the teabagPanic if/when the-ronald shakes up the system.
My mistake. I said 95% of people here didn’t bother with dressing for the peloton when riding a bike.
It’s more like 99.9%
It’s a wonder they’re not all dead with their lack of safety features!
“95% of people here didn’t bother with dressing for the peloton”
The “peloton”. Is that like a festival of Morris dancing or something similar..?
Cycling in lycra makes men look healthy!!
Just look at Tony Abbott!
Are these people on suicide missions?!! They all need lycra and a crash helmet!
http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/2012/01/simply-beautiful.html
You do realise that all those cyclists are on wide bikeways and crossings with lights?
(Are you one of those riders who think a red light means GO for bikes and stop for cars)
Cycling in lycra makes men look healthy!!
Just look at Tony Abbott!
I rest my case … it obviously causes severe brain damage too!
You are, of course, referring to this Tony Abbott?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-11/tony-abbott-in-bike-helmet/5014484
Now if Abbott had worn a helmet when he was a child?? (He was a child …?)
Now if Abbott had worn a helmet when he was a child?? (He was a child …?)
Are these people on suicide missions?!!
No, but these guys are … whoo! Look and they wear helmets!
https://www.funker530.com/russian-special-forces-2018/
So.. ALP supporters generally no longer recommend Kevin Rudd and Mark Latham,
That means (on their own admission) that the ALP barrackers get their choice wrong 40% of the time (based on the past 5 leaders) or 50% of the time (if we count Rudd twice in the past 6)
Given that Latham and Rudd were apparently such duds, but were vociferously supported by ALP barrackers, what’s the point of accepting their word that Shorten will be such a great leader?
I’m busy at the moment but … I shouldn’t talk to hurriedly about … DUD leaders?
I have big rocks and you obviously live in a glass house … 🙂
Nothing for me to be worried about, I can’t recall a politician I’ve recommended…although i voted for Rudd
Rudd was a dick, but he (with the Labor party) did far more good than howard did for his entire time in office.
Latham would have been similar (and dumped just as quickly)
“Rudd was a dick, but he (with the Labor party) did far more good than howard did for his entire time in office.”
Garbage.
Swan was handed a budget with a $20B surplus and within 12 months had turned it into a $27B deficit and we have been in deficit ever since. We were debt free in 2007 until Rudd/Swan trashed the budget
Rudd was a dick… Latham would have been similar
Fine… but why should we have confidence that Shorten will be a non-dick given that you say 40% of the recent ALP leaders have been dicks
(No conclusions. Yet.)
Rudd .. “ did far more good than howard did for his entire time in office. ”
Sorry Day. Rudds fiber rollout. Wrangled the GFC. No doubt about it teamCheerer, rudd did way more in his 2years than the zombieOf96 did in 11years. But you are mistaken that rudds achievements will transfer to 29% in upcoming fedVote or even sooner byElections. Many folks still stinging from being knifed; and single mums beaten up by jooLiar. The federal election will not be blibs to win, but will be the teabags to lose.
BTW, l`m really enjoying the trumptyDumpty balloon protesters are displaying in britannia while theRonald visits their dud leader.
TomR
Rudd/Gillard did more good than Howard? Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 costing us $10-$15B and costing us $1B/year since 2013 for the 20,000 still in community detention.
Rudd/Gillard turned a $20B budget surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months and we have been in deficit ever since. They took unemployment from 4.3% and falling in 2007 to 58% and rising by 2013.
Basically Rudd/Gillard trashed everything they touched
Basically Rudd/Gillard trashed everything they touched
I think you’ll find that it was Wall Street in 2008!
Trump’s Disaster is only months away!
The GFC is over but the budget is still in large deficit with unemployment lower than any time under Hawke/Keating. Shows you how great Howard was. He got the budget back into surplus within 12 months of winning govt with unemployment at 8%
Trump`s “ Disaster is only months away ” @FakeNews
The Legacy outlets echoChamber has been saying that on a daily basis for nearly 4years now. Can l now hear ‘impeachment’ from all our leftists out there? (-: (-: (-:
(Can l now hear….
‘Nyet’?
Shows you how great Howard was.
да, да, да, да.)
Over at LimitedNews “ unchanged two party vote of 51/49 ” (teamKnife/teabags)
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll-malcolm-turnbull-leaves-bill-shorten-in-the-dust/news-story/7a3b6110427fa43d00597bf7f04bd49c?nk=b5ec4848ff1b2e078b4827e956cc1f5b-1531683964
“ Turnbull increased his rating as preferred PM by two points to 48 per cent. ”
” Shorten dropped two points to 29 per cent. “
@To me, it really doesn`t look like blib will do any better at the next fedVote than he did earlier, all that seems to be happening is albo, plib and others are having their lustre diminish while hanging on to blib. l just can`t see voters wanting to swap to blib, so we’re probably going to be stuck with the current wuss again. @fcuk.its.annoying
The “ real criminals are the Australian government, ” Senator Wilkie said.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/senators-refer-timor-leste-spy-case-to-afp-for-investigation
Independent “ MP Andrew Wilkie has written to the Australian Federal Police, urging the agency to investigate whether Australia’s foreign spy agency ASIS broke the law by allegedly bugging the offices of Timor-Leste’s cabinet in 2004. ”
Mr Wilkie joined “ with fellow crossbenchers, Centre Alliance Senator Rex Patrick and Greens Senator Nick McKim, to claim the alleged bugging could constitute “conspiracy to defraud” under Section 334 of the ACT’s Criminal Code, according to the letter to the AFP that has been seen by SBS News. ”
@Another working example of our ethics being led by non-duopoly folk. For those of us NOT team aligned; this looks like teabag-lite me-tooing with the teabumpkin and teabag zombies. Just whereTF is blib and teamKnife on this? And whyTF are they not supporting wilkie,greens,patrick with this? Equally grubby perhaps? No fcuking ethics from the spooks either huh?
Agree! Tbagz!
I’m a big fan of Wilkie … one of my family spent 10 months in E T (UNTAET) … two days leave – in Darwin … his family had moved from Townsville to Brisbane!
No fcuking ethics from the spooks either huh?
Ethics?
Religions? Politicians? Business? Charities? Journalists? Banks? the list goes on … we live in Sodom … or Gomorrah! (According to well bastardised fairy tales.
What an egotistical a***hole Musk has proven to be.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/elon-musk-s-pedo-slur-british-cave-diver-considers-legal-action-20180716-p4zrtv.html
Agree ToM … very disappointed with Musk … mouth as big as his ego …
(Equally grubby perhaps?
Stranded with the clap after guzzling spiked champagne?)
(Also agreed; an immensely short-sighted and offensive response by Musk; and, perhaps, not at all presaged by someone’s dubbing spelunkian basecamp as ‘Pattaya Beach’; but, his protypically-alpha idea(s) of the ‘sub’ and, possibly more intriguingly, (re)deployable robust (de)formational pneumatic tubing, with a lot, lot more imagineering/(re)iterative (re)design work, potentially could result in workable beta model(s), potentially with a wide range of applications, including safety and rescue in adverse operating environments; ergo, definitely not just PR per se.)
#MyHealthFail is starting to make #CensusFail look decidedly professional
TR just read that the opt out site crashed – overloaded with people trying to escape!
Can these people manage anything – except abject failure?
Nice find TC, any of the shit that google gives people to load into their webpages also includes ‘scripts’ that hoover up user data. Clearly the dumbfcuks in clowntown are fcuking clueless to this and will end up letting google hoover up and sell citizens medical data.
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(Yes. The over inflated ‘SubX’ ego was on display.)
Happy 4th anniversary to those that enjoy partially crumbed journalism and joy flights to locations where war-birds get smoked.
I’ve opted out.
Why would you trust these fuckers with anything.
(MARTIN “ FERGUSON, MINISTER FOR RESOURCES AND ENERGY, 2007-2013: ” @So during both the kevin07 era ‘and’ jooLiar era Ferguson seems to be upholding/ defending the asis/ asio/ zombie corruption against eTimor. What a fcuking insult to the boots-on the-ground folk that provided peacekeep/ security/ rebuild/ aid to get eTimor functioning normally. Only to have their efforts undermined by the teabag infected asis/ asio/ spooks.)
When it comes to ‘ethics’ and ‘taxAgents’; l wonder if the inHouse blubberer noticed the ATO started agreeing with bigBad bagz this week. (-: (-:
The world has gone mad when a council is considering a ban on surfing at Bondi for “safety reasons”
Bondi often has great surf and it generally breaks well off shore. The northern end already bans fibreglass boards during summer.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/waverley-council-wants-to-ban-surfing-at-bondi-beach/news-story/6f94b98d23b4bc25f0e8357faf88fe7b
…meanwhile, cyclists ride their bikes on footpaths without any speed restriction!
The world has gone mad when people consider bans on surfing and bike riding instead of the very public displays of Government mismanagement of people’s information they didn’t agree for them to have in the first place
https://www.smh.com.au/technology/government-left-red-faced-by-health-privacy-commissioner-s-website-bungle-20180717-p4zs1t.html
I’ve opted out.
Why would you trust these fuckers with anything.
We’re all done here too …
(I hope we are both referring to the Medical Records Opt Out Scramble and not TGT?) Chuckle!
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What a fcuking insult to the boots-on the-ground folk
Most of ’em I know are well aware of why they went in the first place … can you really imagine Australia suddenly “relieving” Indonesian occupation under arms?
Nah! I always suspected a big US stick waved at Indonesia in the background … and don’t forget the long term presence of the UN (one of mine was there from day 2 for 10 months with ADF and UN)
… public displays of Government mismanagement of people’s information they didn’t agree for them to have in the first place
The ignorance concerning technology and privacy is absolutely astounding … globally …
fick as bricks!
My medical records are mainly about the flu and repairs due to activity, I don’t think I can be bothered worrying about who might look at them
I don’t think I can be bothered worrying about who might look at them
she’ll be right. mate 😉
What could go wrong?
Considering that this Government is already targeting people with drug issues, have shown that they will use the information they have for retribution purposes, the fears of third parties getting a hold of information is really the lest of our worries
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/16/my-health-record-privacy-cybersecurity-and-the-hacking-risk
I don’t think I can be bothered worrying about who might look at them
Even when we become a satellite territory of the New USSR!
Ya see ToM … the Jews gave up info before the Nazis came to power in 1933 (couldn’t happen – they said … the Weimar Republic was a democratic republic, they said … )
Trust not thy government – for the future shall engulf thee …
BTW, ToM, yo are making decisions about your medical records NOW … things can change medically within hours!
Elon musk has apologised I see … good on him …
Obviously ‘another’ wise decision!
Your guardian echoChamber “ once the data is out, it’s out. You can never get it back. The danger in building such systems is that it`s enough if they fail once. ”
@Start the clock! Shall we measure the time until the first hack in weeks or months??
Shall we measure the time until the first hack in weeks or months??
Well we know it won’t be the Russians, Donny said so …
Well we know it won’t be the Russians, Donny said so …
What a small minded, snivelling sycophant he has turned out to be. Even worse than anticipated.
Depends how you look at it folks. During the pilot episode theRonald had said he would make his own decisions and not blindly follow the spooks that claimed saddam had wmd and the sycophants in congress that blindly followed. So theRonald is probably playing nicely now to not fcukup the mid-terms. On the other end of this is the spooks and dems can’t make a single fcukup for next six years. Which may be worth the temporary cow-tow.
Trump has his head so far up Putin’s arse it explains the brown shade of his complexion.
Stuck in the echoChamber huh?? You should watch oliver stones interviews with the realDeal; stone even asked the realDeal about yank elections, Putin basically said it didn’t matter to him who wins; they all say many things before winning; but once their (yank) system/congress get hold of them, they all turn into the same thing. Which is quite accurate. Remember ‘hope’ and ‘change’?? Lots of ‘hope’ may have been delivered. Not much ‘change’ tho. The realDeal was also fully aware he could sink any candidate he wanted to; by publicly supporting them. All Putin would have to do is say how much he looked forward working with prez hilary on their many projects; and she would be a goner.
At least the misogynistic racist wears goggles when he shoves his head up Putin’s arse.
Image of Trump getting a bit of Putin out of his brown nose – Trump is not simply satisfied with being a brown nose to Putin – he’s a full brown head
Maybe he just went for the soccer ball??
What irks me is the way the US influence our lives so much and we don’t get a vote …
Trump is just an obnoxious sycophant … or not or maybe or could be couldn’t he, no, no he isn’t er is?
Trump is also a fool … and has no idea (like most Septic Tanks) when it comes to world history or geography … its like someone playing with a machine gun who keeps turning the safety catch off and on, off and on … and on – oops!
Did that bullet hurt? I didn’t mean to … its actually the weapon’s fault not mine … the safety should be better …
The ” novvyChock ” in britannia. The echoChamber has been chanting ‘ ruski ‘, ‘ ruski ‘, ‘ ruski ‘. Now the echoChamber will soon be tested. On my abc24 the ‘banner’ said they have identified the people they want. Will they be ‘ ruski ‘? Or will it turn out they are mi5, cia, mossad??
What irks me TOO is the way the US influence our lives so much because our politicians have been continual conga line of weak sycophants(word.of.the.day) and our legacy outlets behave as mere outposts of the yank echoChamber.
(like most Septic Tanks)
I don’t think that is the case TB, the US is a huge country and has it’s fair share of ignorance, but their are also a lot of entirely sophisticated cities and people.
I often explain that the US version of Kingaroy or Bundaberg would have a million people – but they would still see their city as an outpost. The residents can reflect the types of views that Australians often experience when they visit Queensland.
There is hope for the future … watch to the end!
Michael Moore did a similar exercise decades ago … same result …
However, it would be interesting to see the same exercise conducted in Oz … mmmmm …
Noice map too!
the US is a huge country and has MUCH, MUCH MORE THAN it`s fair share of ignorance, COUPLED with an intense arrogance drilled into their public from the earliest age; resulting in their master race self belief of arsebackwardness where every looney has the right to military grade weaponry and a national health program to remove the bullets is promoted as a communist plot
LOL! Funny teebagz!
Pity it fkn true!
We do not want to be the 51st State! Ever!
(I’ll just linkdrop this here, for any (if any) who might be interested; since the Commonwealth’s present government seems to have robustly and pragmatically memory-holed a slightly more fulsome account(ing) of/for the ‘targets’ from its public-facing explications of (its (in)actions pro/con) fulfilment of) the Sustainable Development Goals, to which it theoretically subscribes.)
(And, by one updated current assessment, between 2016 and 2018, under the Government’s (ir)responsible domestic central coordinating and implementing (co-)agency, being the Department of PM&C, Australia progressed from 20th to 37th (of 156) in the world; possibly because substantive work(s) towards Sustainable Development Goals achievement(s) (in)formally remain(s) in the ‘gunna’ (maybe, maybe not)/(un)planning stage(s); and about which Goals, and/or their (un)planful (un(der)achievements, an 2016-2018 Australian Prime Minister assiduously has not made a single public statement to-date.)
I think you all know what I think of organised religions particularly the Catholic Church …
But for the life of me I cannot understand why the Prime Minister of Australia has the right to tell the Pope (Head of State of the Vatican, BTW) what to do …
The recalcitrant Arch Bishop has been charged, found guilty and sentenced by Australia’s justice system (we may not like the outcome – but that’s it!) …
Would TurnAbbott tell t*rump what to do?
And while all this shyte is going on Australia is wandering about the Pacific like a lost child – still!
That’s nonsense TB. If a back executive remained in their position following a conviction, you would be critical, even if their boss lived in another country.
The moral guardian of a congregation has no place remaining in their job following conviction of concealing such a serious crime.
If George Pell is convicted I doubt whether he will remain in his job until he has exhausted his appeal rights.
a bank executive
Problem is ToM … banks have a different standard and greedy bosses … and money to make (Ok, a bit like the Catholic Church)
The Arch Bishop “works” for the Vatican (another STATE BTW) … if Poppa keeps him on, all hell will break loose here, won’t it? Let it! Or is that what Malfunction is trying to avoid?
Keep him on I say …
BUT!
TurnAbbout should worry about attempting to manage the country (if that’s possible), instead he prefers to waste time playing “good guy” …
Government, Judiciary and religion are considered are to be separate … TurnAbbott is (as usual) mixing shyte up …
(Indeed. In contemporary Australia, I’m perty sure that the rule of law prescribes that criminal(ised) character)s are (to be) annihilated; the Constitutional separation of powers and common law due process prescribe that extra and extrajudicial punishments are to be meted out quasi-arbitrarily, while matters are still sub judice, if not before; and that the rule of man’s Johnny-deciderer(r)-on-the-spot has considerable form for phoning up CEOs late at night on weekends to have someones who somehow irk him given a de facto clip around the ear and a rapid firing by 6am Monday morning; in any event, we already have a renovated Homeland Affairs department operating on alike principles, so extending those sorts of rehabbed good community relations to putative Vatican gang members doesn’t seem too much of a stretch; although, as noted, some lingering question remains as to why a legally-trained rule-of-mannerist characteristically-conveniently is so intent on demonstrating to/for (some kind of) a (domestic) audience his ‘superior’ (religious) convictions; a very tentative answer to which, perhaps, is for all sorts of currently-(un(der)contested in-Party and extra-Party and extra-parties political(-positional) reasons.)
Agree M
It would be unusual if the opposition lost a seat to the government in a by election, and it would kind of entertaining to hear all the excuses that the ALP barrackers would make-
* It’s Murdoch’s fault
* It’s Abbott’s fault
* The electorate is dumb
* Shorten is such an attractive and visionary leader, but the media hate him
I prefer to wait until AFTER the election …
Braddon and Longman are neck and neck … “attractive” … visionary – yes … pilloried by incompetent ignoramuses – yes …
How childish is “Kill Bill” FFS!
TB recently lamented the ignorance of Americans. This might balance the views about ignorance – and these people are Australian graduates and potential journalists!
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/are-you-smarter-than-a-journalist-comically-underprepared-candidates-fail-basic-knowledge-quiz/news-story/5861cc82d0fe0a8f39be526da5c1c845
dotpoint ” an attractive and visionary leader ” (-:
dotpoint Nobody claimed any yank could not get into our press club!
How ” childish is “Kill Bill” FFS! ” @You seem to be giving the teabags credit for blib-killing (hint). l suspect blib will end up misplacing at least one of his seats. While the legacy outlets squirt about the east coast seats, remember there is two seats on the west coast which could be quietly misplaced. l am quite chuffed the young ipa downer teabag looks like getting well trounced in canoeland. Fcuk her and her intergenerational entitlement.
Interestingly enough re Matthew Stephen (Longman) … I had a phone call about six months ago … someone asking me to put a note in Stephen’s letterbox … naturally I said “no” … but I did check up the company that called at the time (can’t remember it now) – it was a debt collection agency … how the fk they got my telephone number but couldn’t call Stephen, leaves a few questions in the air?
He doesn’t live in Longman … he lives in a rental home near me and that’s Petrie electorate …
Pretty dodgy … and struggling for a quid is my suspicion …
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ToM, I long laughed at Australian "journalists" (in fact most "journalists") but you're not really comparing oranges with oranges …
The people in the video above couldn't even point out their OWN country the USA!
It would be unusual if the opposition lost a seat to the government in a by election
Unusual, perhaps, but the #auspol #msm are running it like it’s DOOMSDAY for KILLBILL
it’s a pathetic joke
Just like this
#AfrikanGangs#MiddleEasternGangs #NDIS FRAUD scare they are running in sync with the bi-electionshttps://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/sydney-suburb-is-bucking-the-stereotypes-when-it-comes-of-sudanese-youths/news-story/9bf360c980dfc2bc0a8a461899d95a2b
Fkn Labor’s fault again!
https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/one-nation-candidate-denies-debt-claims/news-story/c713551b3cd29c31d455188b5ed400c5
I know who’s lying … and I can guess why Poorlean Hanson has gone to Ireland … don’t they have a low tax regime for investments? Primarily of course not to get caught in the shitstorm Matthew Stephen has stirred up!
Haven’t One nation voters figured out yet that ON candidates are all dodgy and simply broke and after a bankroll … just like their “leader” and that slippery, sly prick, Ashby … ?
Dumb and dimmer …
Maybe we should have a “values” assessment for people to be able to vote?
The ALP’s economic model in action…………………….
http://time.com/5346708/imf-forecast-venezuela-inflation-2018/
The usual Leftie excuses………………….. (what ? no Murdoch ?)
“Socialist President Nicolas Maduro often blames Venezuela’s poor economy on an economic war that he says is being waged by the United States and Europe.
Maduro won a second six-year term as president despite the deep economic and political problems in a May election that his leading challenger and many nations in the international community don’t recognize as legitimate……..”
So because the team chose to be non electable at the next fedVote (or-sooner) and are basically having a ‘by’, it is somehow doomsday, and somehow twitters fault, and somehow FakeNews outlets fault, even tho the only people that has secured their position of loss is inside the partyroom?? How the hell did you deduce that TC??
So Teebz, do you reckon the ‘bigTrev’ teabag ‘willfully’ puffed up his medal info on his CV on purpose; or likely to be genuine accident or typo??
Four Corners was interesting last night.
“A Royal Commission into the financial services industry would be rank socialism”
~ John Howard.
Another privatization success!
long “ laughed at Australian `journalists` (in fact most `journalists`) but you`re not really comparing oranges with oranges ” @correct/agree
While yomm has taken the bait; l noticed the post quiz was stuff older generations pay attention to or think important etc. l am not sure the same metrics can be applied to the kiddies. The voter and viewer demographics have shattered and fragmented. The kiddies don`t watch teh-news or legacy networks generally. Do they even have any interest in our idiot politics??
Socialist President Nicolas Maduro often blames Venezuela’s
We don’t live in VENEZUELA!
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So Teebz, do you reckon the ‘bigTrev’
Let me put it this way … I only served for two years involuntarily … but I know the difference between medals … I know Big Trev served in the powder puffs (airforce to you) for only six years but … come on!
And BTW I have a defence medal! Service medals are a bit different!
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Four Corners was interesting last night.
Best program on TV! Surprised its still “funded”.
Watched a recording over lunch … people need to be in fkn jail!
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Do they even have any interest in our idiot politics??
Its not really about politics – its about woeful education and incompetent teachers (no three generations …)
One of the reasons I didn’t have a political career – I couldn’t afford to pay off the Playboy models…
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-cohen-recording-of-pay-off-talk-broadcast-on-us-tv-20180725-p4zth1.html
So we have taxpayer funded ALP election promoters in Victoria, the Red Shirts – misuse of public funds
Now we have taxpayer funded domestic servants/dog walkers for an ALP MP
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/bill-shorten-emma-husar-bullying-allegations-simon-birmingham/10031470
That’s nice
Before I read your link ToM, I notice the word allegation and then lo and behold , Simon fkn Birmingham!
Can’t wait … here goes …
Yep I’ll wait … Simon is still Slimy tho’ isn’t he?
Yes… no worries. It’s entirely appropriate to use taxpayer dollars to walk your dig, if you’re an MP.
Or even a dog!
It’s entirely appropriate to use taxpayer dollars to walk your dig, if you’re an MP.
I think you mean ‘allegedly’ there yomm 😉
Asking a staff member to walk your dig is pretty reprehensible to be fair.
“Australia’s national broadband network, the NBN, will not return a profit on the billions invested in the project, a new report from credit ratings agency Standard & Poors says.
The Australian reported that S&P predicted a write-down of the NBN, which would be politically damaging to the Coalition Government.
The ratings agency claimed that the NBN Co’s business model had led to Australian telecommunications companies investing heavily in mobile services in order to avoid paying the NBN Co’s price”
https://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/83761-s-p-report-says-damaging-writedown-of-nbn-inevitable.html
And that is with Turnbull cheaper version. Labors FTTP would bankrupt the country. When 5G comes in a lot of people will go to mobile
“I think you mean ‘allegedly’ there yomm”
Except it’s no longer allegedly if ACA captures a staff member on film walking said dog.
And there are approximately 20 ex staffers making these allegations. They must all have it in for her.
Then again you still believe Craig Thomson…………… LOL
its ” about woeful education ” @assuming correct
and ” incompetent teachers (no three generations) ” @but why/how do you think there has been 3generations of crap teachers; when l look at electric/ telco; it is not the techs/tradies fcuking them all up; it IS the political idiots. Are you claiming fed/state idiots aren`t stuffing education?? And noddy improved bananaland education?? lt is not the case in other states, NT.
Asking a staff member to walk your dig is pretty reprehensible to be fair.
What;s a “dig” … 🙂
Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
YES!
Except it’s no longer allegedly if ACA captures a staff member on film walking said dog.
Yeah, is stupid … and from ToM’s link …
Then get out of the ‘kitchen” … a politician’s first priority is to the federal government, their constituents and lawmaking …
Except “ it`s no longer allegedly ” @so 20 ex staffers claim they had to pick up turds, yet not one of them was caught on camera picking up blib.
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Well its good to hear noddy pleased you on education Teebz.
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Fancy that kneel. Who would of ever guessed 5g, 4g, 3g, 2g, carrier pigeon was technically superior to telegraph wire.
“Fancy that kneel. Who would of ever guessed 5g, 4g, 3g, 2g, carrier pigeon was technically superior to telegraph wire.”
Did you read the link? Turnbulls cheaper NBN is going to find it hard to compete with 5G. Labors fibre network which is double the cost would have NO chance
The teabags obsolete telegraph wire “ is going to find it hard to compete with ” everything.
Mate NBN is not competing because of high CVC fees. Just google “CVC and NBN”. Labors fibre would be even worse. Copper has nothing to do with the current NBN problems
(And that is with Turnbull cheaper version….Copper has nothing to do with the current NBN problems
I imagine that the big words the investor report used to describe Mr Broadband’s (un)crystallised equity-blackhole were “retrograde technologies”; and failure to compete with whomever wherever with whatever is only enhanced by nominal substitutions, instead of building complementary technologies, or a quasi-whole-of-nation-backbone, as originally designed by NBNCo; then there’s the comparatively high data-unit fees for the spineless NBMTMNCo malware and opportunistic nGs, and their contributions to considerable extant and growing internet gaps between and among regions and across socioeconomic demographics, briefly assessed in the SDG progress report cited above. In short, the ad Libs, as better economic and telco policy managers, achieved much, much less for more, the public pays more for much less, and a nation-building asset was deftly converted into a national liability; win-win-win, ‘ey, mate? And all of it explained ad nauseum. to you, from the beginning(s), despite or in cause of your selective idées fixe, by various civic-minded commentators.)
(Oh, lookie, here’s UN-member-State-member//Commonwealth of Australia-member/Executive Council-member/’Party’-member/’Cabinet’-member/’Party’-member/’Minister’/’Party’-member/’Government’-member/’Party’-member/MP/’Party’-member/Citizen Dutto (mis)representin’ the functional (in)exercise of the Commonwealth of Australia’s Constitutionally-defined treaty-making powers, the nature of conventional/Conventional representative governance, and the (in(con)sequence(s) of (optional) public international law(-making), for a now-better-informed 2GB subscriber-base, which presumably likes contrived (jingoistic) narratives of strong-yet-intrinsically-false-oppositional-defiance; and the (normative) subject matter to which Pete’s ostensibly pro(re)acting is, perhaps, somewhat interesting, too.)
“Donald Trump’s Hollywood star vandalised with a pickaxe, man arrested after nearly destroying landmark”
That seems like a pretty fair type of protest! No one hurt, plenty of publicity and removes some ugly visual pollution from the footpath!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-26/donald-trump-hollywood-star-vandalised/10037214
Fake news, ToM …
Dot – read this from my link
“The ratings agency claimed that the NBN Co’s business model had led to Australian telecommunications companies investing heavily in mobile services in order to avoid paying the NBN Co’s price””
Other telcos will be “ investing heavily in mobile services in order to avoid paying ” WireCo`s high price for WireCo`s dud wire.
(Why? It’s probably already manifest in NBMTMNCo’s strategic (d)evolution of an exhilarating paradimensionality of (pseudo-)de-throttling re-pricings, rocksolid guarantees of sub-sub-standard, not-even-(fast(er)r)-)broadband(floor-premia), and expanded voice-only (re-)provisionings, as the (im)potent(ial) realities of its master-architect’s retrotechno(un)leash(ed) set in.)
https://www.innovationaus.com/2018/06/NBN-financially-doomed-from-start
NBN Co was doomed to be a “financial disaster” regardless of whether it used Labor’s all-fibre model or the current multi-technology mix, respected independent telecommunications analyst firm New Street Research has told a joint parliamentary committee.
New Street’s respected senior analyst Ian Martin said taxpayers faced a bill for around $30 billion on write downs to the value of NBN Co under the MTM model and that the cost could have been as high as $60 billion under Labor’s all-fibre mode
(Those that are easily impressed by high level econoBabble are (un)easily fooled by paperWaffle products regularly (re)produced to holdup their (non)technical understandings of (you)tilities and national infrastructure(s); when simply put, kevin07fiber was a Ferrari and we were being delivered a Ferrari. (Some here would be happy to pay for a Ferrari and be delivered a Datsun.) Under the current teabag obsolete wireCo deal we are now paying for two Ferrari(s) and will be lucky to be delivered half a Datsun.)
U almost got it right. People drive the cars they can afford not the cars they would like to drive like a Ferrari. U can get fibre installed cost = $15,800/premise. Pay for it yourself if U want fibre
Why flying Qantas is totally worth the extra $50
Yes, and in addition to all the reasons outlined in the article, here are a few more-
Qantas carries out most of the maintenance on its aircraft in Australia, rather than sending it to an anonymous facility offshore.
Qantas employs large numbers of apprentices – one of the few remaining large companies to do this.
It maintains its own standards for engineering, rather than simply defaulting to the generic Airbus or Boeing minimum requirements
It employs over 30,000 people
The insufferable Richard Branson isn’t promoting himself at every opportunity
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/plush-af-why-flying-qantas-is-totally-worth-the-extra-50/news-story/65f401a29387d7c27fb9c7dcf2df326f
While you are happy paying for two Ferrari(s) and receiving half a Datsun, others have decided half a Datsun doesn`t work for them and going ‘mobile’ to avoid it.
dotpoint Obeys notams and closed airspace.
dotpoint Doesn`t take its customers over war-bird graveyards.
Actually kneel, while kevin07fiber IS the Ferrari. The teabags wireCo obsolete telegraph wire is closer to horse`n cart.
Kevin07fibre is the Ferrari that most people would like to drive but cannot afford. Even Turnbulls FTTN is expensive. High CVC fees charged by NBNCo means that telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds. People are not even paying for the highest speeds they can get with Turnbulls horse n cart because of the cost
You keep waffling nonsense because you do not have any technical skill or knowledge. We have all paid for our Ferrari via treasury, paye, gst, booze, baccy and petrol tax. In NEW suburbs and developments they do not have or allow power poles or nodes, and ALL services are underground. ln these areas those that chose a level of Ferrari/ horse’n cart driving have then connected the fiber to the building. Those that chose to not drive, but PARK their Ferrari have their fiber coiledup under the footpath or have a connection/jack under the footpath until they (or next owner) decides to drive their Ferrari.
But WE have all paid for our Ferrari. Got it.
Does anyone really give a crap about the “merger” between Chanel 9 and Fairfax?
The Age (and to a less extent the SMH) have become rags, with poor (agenda driven) reporting usually with factual errors, combined with an infuriating level of illiteracy.
Keating and the hack “journalist” union can complain all they like, but The Age will disappear without trace at its present trajectory of readership.
Really… who gives a crap about whether The Age is owned by Chanel 9 or it just disappears as a result of its own success “strategy”?
Nope. Five years (or more) ago; l would have probably muttered that losing a media ‘perspective’ was more loss than gain. Too many topics are mere echo chamber now. Has been for FOUR years now, not that l`m counting, nor would l need to point out those topics.
“Qantas carries out most of the maintenance on its aircraft in Australia, rather than sending it to an anonymous facility offshore.”
How can it be an anonymous offshore facility, if they know where to send said aircraft.
#questionablelogic
“But WE have all paid for our Ferrari. Got it.”
No i don’t get it. Most suburbs are not new but old. Installing fibre costs twice as much as using copper. And even using copper is expensive which is the main problem with the NBN. Cost
Yes most suburbs can be considered ‘old’ and infested with nodes and legacy optsus wire and legacy rupert cable; which the teabags stupidly bought for fraudulent ‘connections’ count; where already existed horse’n cart drivers that also own Ferrari(s). Even tho some paid the big bucks to fuel up the Ferrari and wanted to burn rubber up the information super highway; they had to take the horse’n cart to the local node to pickup the Ferrari. The drivers found their Ferrari could not be put into top gear; the nodes caused traffic jams; promises were not delivered; and they could not take their Ferrari home and park it in the driveway to use whenever they wish. With this level of frustration and disappointment; most drivers returned to their horse’n cart to trot around the information super highway for price of a few bags of oats.
“and legacy optsus wire and legacy rupert cable; which the teabags stupidly bought for fraudulent ‘connections”
Mate get your facts right. The Optus HFC network was purchased by Rudd/Conroy to decommission the network. Since we had paid megabucks Turnbull thought we could use it. I guess the contract had to be re-written.
But the OPtus HFC cable network was purchased by LABOR because they wanted to decommission it
1. Who bought the legacy rupert wire???
2. Who decided to re-use obsolete legacy scrap wire???
https://www.whistleout.com.au/Broadband/News/nbn-ditching-optus-cable-for-fttdp
Under the 2011 Labor government, NBN paid Optus $800 million to eventually decommission its HFC network and eventually transfer its customers. Under the following Liberal government, a revised agreement was made that gave NBN the option to use and acquire parts of the Optus HFC network to deliver the National Broadband Network.
and infested with nodes and legacy optsus wire and legacy rupert cable; which the teabags stupidly re-used and bought for fraudulent `connections` count
Feel better??
The Coalition did not buy anything. Labor paid $800M for the HFC network. Turnbull thought that since we had paid megabucks to decommision the HFC network maybe we could use it
CFA firefighter John* was a member of the United Firefighters Union (UFU) for more than 20 years until he quit in protest after receiving a letter from a debt collector, demanding $2,040 for a union levy he says he never agreed to.
The UFU sure know how to service their members! And that’s “service” in the animal husbandry sense
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-26/ufu-members-quit-after-debt-collectors-order-payment-for-levies/10036096
Does anyone really give a crap about the “merger” between Chanel 9 and Fairfax?
Nah! Just the extreme right wing wankers that own Nine!
You are not that naïve, ToM …
BTW, I live in Brisbane and I’ve visited the QANTAS maintenance facility (as a Member of the Safety Institute of Australia), however!
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/shifting-jobs-to-overseas-one-of-the-biggest-benefits-to-qantas-rules-changes-20140304-345bd.html
For the record I’m a Gold FF of QANTAS …
https://www.solarcitizens.org.au/townsville?utm_campaign=townsville_bulletin_liftout&utm_medium=email&utm_source=solarcitizens
Waffle away Malfunction … we saw your destruction of our NBN … but it won’t happen to our renewables energy industry!
QUEENSLANDER!
I don’t think Qantas does any heavy maintenance in Brisbane – I think it’s mainly the aircraft version of tyre kicking and oil checks
The UFU sure know how to service their members
I AGREE!
(maybe even in the double entendre way too?) 😉
And our media sure know how to misrepresent Unions
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/27/one-nation-candidate-received-66000-payout-three-weeks-before-selling-debt-laden-company
If anyone in Longman votes for Matthew Stephan they have rocks in their heads … even his One Nation profile is concocted bullshit!
This wanker lives in the Sandgate area … with the One Nation van a big clue! He tried for State government last year!
Quite some way from Caboolture! And Longman!
An obvious leech sniffing a $200,000 pa trough!
The Age – 10 years ago daily circulation was 208,000, fast forward to 2018 – circulation is 83,000.
it has lost 60% of it’s readers in 10 years. It is no use all the lefty hand-wringers lamenting its demise, it is a failed business and it either changes or it ceases to exist.
Of course the 80,000 readers might consider the option of coughing up $25,000 each to pay the $2bn to buy it!
I think newspapers are doing it tough. I still remember the weekend SMH. It was huge. Real Estate advertising, cars sales furniture etc etc etc. Now people search online.
That is why it is so unfair that the ABC gets $1B/year of taxpayers money doing the job that SMH, News, Telegraph etc used to do
“That is why it is so unfair that the ABC gets $1B/year of taxpayers money doing the job that SMH, News……………..””
There is some truth to that. The ABC”s bias is bigger better and cheaper than any bias Fairfax could have ever put up.
So the ABC basically ate Fairfax whilst the News Limited stable flourishes .i.e. News Limited owns 61% of Realestate.com.au which is where Fairfax used to make its money and that site is much more heavily used than the Domain.com.au site of Fairfax
It is no use all the conservative hand-wringers lamenting coals demise, it is a failed business and it either changes or it ceases to exist.
Now what’s more important – really?
BTW I agree print is dead … just like the parrot …
And I don’t know anyone who ride a a horse to work either …
Its called fkn progress!
There is some truth to that. The ABC”s bias is bigger better and cheaper than any bias Fairfax could have ever put up.
More tory handwringing … if you want bias 2GB 3AK 4BC, SKY, NINE the list disappears over the horizon!
I think you’ll find that Google Facebook and Twitter are the culprits not the ABC …
The “bias” you refer to is actually good journalism … along with intelligent satire, drama and docos …
” if you want bias 2GB 3AK 4BC, SKY, NINE the list disappears over the horizon!”
As usual you miss the point. They are not taxpayer funded like the ABC. The organisations you mentioned have to generate their own revenue to survive. I suspect fairfax have lost a lot of readers to the online ABC
Volunteer who ran Emma Husar’s campaign spent weeks in psychiatric hospital
It’s all a media beat up… and this guy is probably a Liberal Party plant
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/volunteer-who-ran-emma-husar-s-campaign-spent-weeks-in-psychiatric-hospital-20180727-p4zu21.html
Nothing to see here either…
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-27/victoria-labor-party-rorts-claims-fraud-squad-investigation/10044076
Nothing to see here either…
Gee … talk about ABC bias … LOL! Bang, ouch, foot!
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As usual you miss the point.
er, no, as usual you do … the point was political bias …
Nothing changes – nothing’s new …
What? And the ABC does not have a political bias?
suspect “ fairfax have lost a lot of readers to the online ABC ” @echoChamber
Nah, limitednewsAU, my abc, fairfax have been losing viewers to reuters, vice, nyti, washpo, bbc, aljazeera, france24 during the fragmentation of online viewers. The tired limitednews myth of my abc gobbling up limitednews viewers is pure crap. lf the stupid teabags got their wish of closing my abc; limitednews wouldn’t gain a single viewer. lnstead pollies would have to start lending their arse and buckets of cash to the media above to get their waffle covered. Or facebook where half the viewers are.
Hear are some predictions. The downer teabag will be smoked and the xeno rebrand will return in canoeland.
Due to team zombie charity team stooten will return in Freo and Perth.
ln Tassie the fisherman will frighten the fcuk out of the duopoly by getting a larger ‘firstChoice’ vote, but will end up pushing blib over the line.
In bananaland team pauline will help smoke team blib and push the zombie over the line.
(anybody else got the nads) (-:
Fact is Fairfax have lost a lot of readers to the taxpayer funded free of charge ABC. The taxpayer funded ABC just gobbles up fellow leftie blogs. Too funny to watch
Crap. Prove it. (hint dummy, half of aussieViewers are on facebook and follow whatever they want from there.)
the fisherman will frighten the fcuk out of the duopoly by getting a larger `firstChoice` vote than legacy outlets and talking heads claim, but
The bananaland teabag has just conceded. @mybad
The Downer teabag conceded earlier. @tick @results
(@mybad
Mhm. Someone has ‘questions to answer‘.)
Barrie has “l’m a fixer” mincing shrilly on insiderp, and plib is looking relieved.
And Malfunction is no-where to be seen … while The Mad Monk will be pissing itself or getting pissed!
Laughing all the way. l`m a strong potatoHead went to great pains to say the byElection(s) were also about the ‘teams’ and also about the ‘leaders’. Then promptly LOST all three byElection(s) his team was in. While at the same time 29%potatoHead WON all four byElections team29% was in. @ROFL Now we have to wait until around May next year for the national battle for next potatoHead. (-:
Beats me what people see in the ALP. I guess people want this that and whatever from the govt for free and people think they will get free stuff from the ALP
Your zombie chose to make it `Stooten-Satday` which DID turn into Stootens Satday with a total cleanSweep of an ownGoal.!!
… people think they will get free stuff from the ALP
erm, who do think pays the taxes … or do you have investments in Cayman Island with Malfunction TutnAbbott too …
Its actually not about paying taxes its how they are spent and taxing multi billion corporate profits less than the average taxpayer is simply dumb … especially when they pay CEO’s millions and workers peanuts …
Education, health, accommodation, living incomes are more important than any corporate greed … and still the RC on Banking and Financial Services discovers what some of us have always known …
The Robber Barons are alive and well and still pillaging the villages of ordinary hard working people …
Nothing changes. Nothing is new!
I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!
I rest my case. Greed is the reason people vote ALP. They are not thinking about the country but themselves
the “ RC on Banking and Financial Services discovers what some of us have always known ” @ditto
On any topic the `same` crowd will always come down on the side of bile-hate-envy-greed because they do not have ambition-vision-ethics.
The zombies could have passed gay marriage for near zero cost, but instead chose to waste tens/hundreds of millions of dollars worth of parliaments time for decades; plus another 120mill on postal poll. The teabags had no problem with corporate monsters stealing from clients fee-for no-service accounts; but tough-on crime when the homeless steal food or blanket.
“The zombies could have passed gay marriage for near zero cost, but instead chose to waste tens/hundreds of millions of dollars worth of parliaments time ”
Too funny a leftie worried about govt expense. And in case you have forgotten Parliament voted on SSM under Rudd/Gillard and Parliament said no
And “ in case you have forgotten ” the johnW visionless zombie STARTED the decades of waste by scribbling on the fed marriage act so that a state could not allow it. Just as the same teabag zombie flogged off telstra at the dawn of the digital age resulting in all the obsolete telegraph wire waste. @yaaay.zombies
More garbage. Howard incorporated the Common law definition of marriage into the act. In other words Howard changed nothing,
But since you had forgotten, Parliament voted on SSM in 2012 and Gillard and Swan voted against it. So spare me your concern about the Coalition wasting money.
Speaking of wasting money there were only 6 boat people in detention before Labor abolished the Pacific Solution. 50,000 boat people later and thousands drowned and a cost of $10B-$20B the ALP has never apologised
The johnW teabag wasted 11years doing nothing meaningful. Just started lots of waste. 15year iraq war waste. Telegraph wire waste. Gay marriage waste. Nothing but fcuking waste from these tnucs. Too fcuking stupid to even stop the boatie waste over 10bill now. @yaaay.wasters
You are insane. Howard paid off $96B of debt stated a $80B Future Fund and left $40B in the kitty. Howard/ Costello saved more than $200B in just 11 years.
Boat waste? It was the ALP who locked up 50.000 boat people.
As l said. Nothing meaningful.
Marine Park Network was a Howard govt creation. He also spent more on infrastructure than any previous govt. Started APRA which re-regulated the banking industry after being de-regulated by hawke/keating. Started funding Public Service Superannuation which was never funded. Took unemployment from 8% to 4%- the lowest for a generation
Other than Superannuation which is not working because people still go on the pension what did Hawke/keating do? They doubled our debt, lost our AAA credit rating. oversaw high unemployment from 1983-1996. Bascially they stuffed everything they touched
The marine authority and apra were paper lions not funded enough to enforce or prosecute anything. Thanks for reminding me the johnW turd started and ‘entrenched’ the junkjobs. As l said. Nothing meaningful.
What? I mentioned the marine park network created by Howard and you mentioned marine authority.
APRA stopped aussie banks giving NINJA loans meaning our banks were in good shape when the GFC hit.
You are one deluded human being. No wonder the ALP trashes everything it touches when in govt
The so called marine parks had so many ifs and buts there was still plenty of fish taken. Do ya research dummy. The marine authority/s were too under funded to do any enforcement. On apra, go read some RC testimony and findings. Not enforced as not funded. All meaningless toothless pandas.
I said APRA stopped banks giving NINJA loans saving the banks from disaster during the GFC You then went off on the RC tangent
And i have no idea what you are raving on about re:marine parks
But Howard/Costello did plenty. Much more than Hawke/Keating did.
And all Rudd/Gillard did was lock up 50,000 boat people costing us $10B-$20B plus $1B/year since 2013
Nothing meaningful. Couldn’t even stop the boatie waste.
They did stop the boats. Stop telling lies. But both major parties say anybody who arrived by boat will not be settled in Australia. So we have 20,000 boat people in limbo left over from the Rudd/Gillard years costing us $1B/year
They also got back our soon to be lost AAA credit rating which we lost under Hawke. And Howard took unemployment to 4% a level not seen since the 1970’s
That’s right. 1bill a year wasted on putting boaties in gulags and the teabags condoned it and didn’t stop the waste. Nothing meaningful.
Just apologise. Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them locked up 50,000 boat people and created a massive problem. Only 6 boat people in detention in 2008 before Labor abolished the Pacific Solution
Also Howard started AUSLINK the biggest infrastructure program in Australian history
Also Labor locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013. How many kiddies do you think ALP will lock up next time?
Auslink? More fcuking waste. The johnW turd let so many inventions go offshore. And all he ever knew about infrastructure was to flog it off. He didn’t even have the brains to use the thermo generation sites he was offered. Not a single iota of anything meaningful. Just waste.
The masters of waste are the ALP. Rudd/SWan turned a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months and we have been in deficit ever since with unemployment lower than 6% a rate which Hawke/Keating never achieved. In contrast Howard got the budget back into surplus within 12 months of being elected with unemployment at 8%.
Waste? We spent $10B-$20B on the 50,000 boat people the ALP locked up. There were only 6 boat people in detention in 2008 before Labor abolished the Pacific Solution
The weekend was a disaster for Turnbull & Albanese
Donald Trump, Lauren Southern, Brexit, the election of extremists in Greece and Italy… are all symptoms of masses of people tiring of the “business as usual” model of politics/policy.
I think people are reacting to being asked to be apologetic/remorseful/feel guilty over things they have no control over, and usually, nor did their parents.
Western society is generally more participative, engaging, and tolerant than others, from what I have observed over several decades.
Generally, I’m quite grateful that Australia isn’t experiencing a monumental f**k up or fracturing.
Yes, it was terrible for Albanese, as his party is closer to becoming the Government
What a tragedy for him 😉
“The weekend was a disaster for Turnbull & Albanese”
It was a disaster for Australia. Looks like people want the ALP back to finished the job of destroying Australia which Labor started in 2007. The ALP sickoes locked up 50,000 people last time in govt. I wonder how many net time?
The weekend was a disaster for Turnbull & Albanese
Chuckle … only if you believe news.com and (where RU again?) ahh 3AK … beat-ups …
C’mon ToM yer better than that … TurnAbbott got fkn fried! By us ordinary folks!
We is not Umerika! Thanks all the deities … and true blue Aussies!
Here’s some three worders for ya:
Society Not Economy!
People Not Business!
Service Not Profit!
Health Not Tax- Reduction!
Education Not Tax-Reduction
Welfare Not Wars!
I’m sure CASH has more problems than any of them … paranoia has its consequences!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/30/police-refer-evidence-to-prosecutors-over-michaelia-cash-office-union-raid-leak
Yes and when the moral ALP gets into govt they do nothing but borrow money to pay for their wacky ideas and then everybody is worse off
l`m totally enjoying the painful look on talkbulls face as he tries to keep the teabagPanic from running down his leg, while 29% runs the victory laps talkbull created for him. l also notice mrRabbit is out’n about haunting talkbull with his simple slogans. At least the byElections will provide the country until May; with a fine mini series featuring lots of teabagPanic. (-: (-:
Listened to Chris Smith (or is it Christmas?) in the car this pm … talk about panic … he was in a lather about Turnbull not being anywhere near as “great” as Sir John Winston Howard & the Private School Bullies … a chortling experience … almost stopped the car when he started ranting about the “Shorten Government” and all the things that would “change” …
Obviously Neel’s source of enlightenment, paranoia and ignorance … 🙂
Paranoia? ALP govts are economic disasters.
Paranoid Paramania
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/jun/14/new-research-abbott-and-turnbull-the-worst-economic-managers-since-menzies
(Obviously Neel’s source of enlightenment….
I’d almost assumed NoS had delved somewhat recently into Harold Lasswell’s works; in lieu, perhaps, of the Young Lib’s renaisscent ‘We Believe‘ credo, whose Menzian precepts are loosely and conveniently abstracted from an even-greater-man-than-Howard’s best and most (geo)politically paranoid, openly rac(ial)ist, free- and social-market(s)-distorting, open-cut-coal-mine-extolling, and etcetera campaign speeches of the late-40s and early-50s.)
Paranoia? Rudd/Swan turned a $20B budget surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months and we have been in deficit ever since. We were debt free in 2007. Now we are hundreds of billions in debt
ALP gets into govt they do nothing but borrow money
https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2017/03/26/coalition-debt-exceeds-labor/
I think Neel’s source of enlightenment (such as it is) is more akin to Sponge Bob than any “one-man university”
NET govt debt was minus 3.3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero, 13% in 2013 and 19% now.
Labor started a runaway debt truck which appears unstoppable.
I wish you lefties would just apologise for once instead of giving your ignorant opinions
Cricket Australia’s sacking of Angela Williamson over abortion tweets ‘should face inquiry
This is interesting – someone tweets about abortion, and is critical of the government policy and is then dismissed.
While she might have had a role that involved government liaison, dismissal is too severe, I think.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/call-to-investigate-cricket-australia-sacking-angela-williamson/10055334
” dismissal is too severe, I think.”
ya think 😯
Well, it’s not game set and match to the employee,
if her position involved maintaining professional and courteous relations with the government, and politicians, in order to advance the interests of her employer, then she might not have maintained the standards of personal conduct that could reasonably be expected.
(Between now and 2020, Lasswell would have enjoyed studying the `absolutely` committed value(s) entrenched at youngteabag(org) for advancing his knowledge on Politico Psychosis in the (pre)modern era. Unfortunately he would most likely not be allowed inside to observe the youngteabags and their lesson(s) in un(lightenment)arsebackward(ness) so Lasswell would most likely be locked outside and reduced to count(ing) the trucks that delivered the coo(lay)de.)
she might not have maintained the standards of personal conduct that could reasonably be expected. for a woman …
Abortion is a the right of the woman concerned no-one else … not politicians and governments, not organised religion, not anti-abortionists, not an employers and certainly not a sports body …
And these are people that rattle on about freedom of speech FFS! Hypocrisy writ large.
If your job is to maintain good relations with the government… it may not be appropriate to describe them as “most irresponsible … gutless and reckless’’
It adds a little complication to doing your job.
The corporate puppet would rather defend his daughters employer instead of his daughters rights to her own medical needs. @teabags
maintaining professional and courteous relations
It was her personal Twitter
The only ones acting unprofessional and being discourteous are the cricket ostraya and the Government.
Her position was basically a lobbyist for CA. If you’re a lobbyist it isn’t wise to use emotive and insulting language to those you’re empolyed to lobby.
Even so, dismissal seems a bit harsh.
No …
Yes …
People are not paid for 24/7 “loyalty” …
And in this country we
arewere entitled to express our opinions in a public forum without being checked by the “thought police” …I guess that’s what happens when the government of the day sets a poor example/precedent …
I see the #GetEmma campaign ran into a bit of difficulty with reality this morning.
But no matter what, she’s toast. They want her gone, so gone she will be.
With reality? Please explain?
explained
It has been stated that Emma had 2 days to spend in Nth Queensland. She came back a day early so she could use the free tickets she was given.
They all do it. They schedule commitments to be in town when they want to go to something
Gillard did that when she was PM. She used Commonwealth planes to go to an event and then went to a wedding at the same place. What a coincidence!!!
I see inHouseThree still seems to want to import hobarts arsebackwardness into boltsville for his own daughter. Well done!
MrRabbit did his `eventShopping` when he went to britannia to flog his book, shopped around for an event to waffle at; so treasury could be stuck with bookpromotion tour costs. All the fcukers do it. More Waste.
” so treasury could be stuck with bookpromotion tour costs.”
You have a link for that or are you just making stuff up?
People are not paid for 24/7 “loyalty” …
You know there are dozens of examples where that isn’t true TB, you’d know you can’t bully a colleague out of hours. Can’t engage in activities agaisnt the interests or in opposition to the employer…
Can`t “engage in activities agaisnt the interests or in opposition to the employer ” @chuckle
Hey numbNuts, remember all those time YOU gargled in favor of various junkJob conditions. At least half the workforce nowodays work MonTue for ’employer’ and WedThu for their ‘competitor’.
You know there are dozens…
You can’t “bully” anyone out of hours or in hours … its called assault … verbal or physical!
Activities against employer etc … are contractual … and I doubt the issue in question was in WRITING … if it was, then Cricket Australia is dumber than I thought …
It has been stated that Emma had 2 days to spend in Nth Queensland
No ,what WAS stated (as can be seen clearly from the fabricated headline) that she had no official duties, which was demonstrably false
As to your further smear
you’d know you can’t bully a colleague out of hours. Can’t engage in activities agaisnt the interests or in opposition to the employer…
She tweeted something on her private twitter account ffs She wasn’t organising a national boycott!
And for neel, who seems to have the memory of a goldfish when it suits
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/abbott-repaid-cost-of-2009-book-trips-20130707-2pkav.html
Let’s hope Labor go for the jugular this time they are in power.
Considering the bastardy shown to them, especially by abbott and his turc, I reckon if I were a lib mp, I’d be more than a bit worried
Get the popcorn ready 😉
Labor says a future federal anti-corruption commission could examine incidents from past governments.
Labor says it will establish a federal ICAC, that would examine government corruption, should it win the next election.
The opposition says the ICAC would determine what matters to investigate, but that Labor would consider referring the Coalition’s decision this year to grant $443.8m towards a small Great Barrier Reef foundation.
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5816465162001
TomR
They all do it. They arrange a meeting at a place where they want to do some private business. Technically not wrong but does it pass the sniff test? How convienent to be in town for a work related meeting at the same time a concert for which she had some free tickets was on
You can’t “bully” anyone out of hours or in hours … its called assault … verbal or physical!
There is an entirely different standard regarding “assault” to bullying. Bullying maybe on-line gossip and taunting – I don’t think that will reach the standard of assault, but decent companies may have policies about that type of behaviour – even out of hours.
I’d imagine you would support those types of policies to protect people from bullying TB.
The problems with the tweet in the Cricket Australia case is that they weren’t simply political – they were inflammatory and insulting… and this is by an employee who is supposed to lobby the government and politicians for support!
As I said, I think dismissal is too harsh if this was a single misdemeanour.
They all do it.
What, they all have a life away from ‘the office’
How convienent to be in town for a work related meeting at the same time a concert for which she had some free tickets was on
You know the concerts were elsewhere too. Unless you have evidence, like with abbott, bishop etal then stop smearing people. Your not even employed by murdoch, you’re just tagging along
Wow, this is faarked
And Andrews was one of the good grubmints
Seems they are all as bad as each other
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/02/arrested-victoria-labor-party-rorts-for-votes-investigation?CMP=share_btn_tw
And what the ACTUAL!!
David De Garis resigned in October 2017, when he admitted to leaking news of AFP raids to the media.
De Garis had only recently returned to the roleas a stopgap measure
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/media-and-policy-advisers-comprise-list-of-high-staff-turnover-from-frontbenchers-employ/news-story/00653705e90c92df9849357781d940cf
Will we see the same level of unhingement as with Husar and her so far discredited accusations?
Speaking of popcorn…..
https://www.smh.com.au/national/sarah-hanson-young-makes-good-on-threat-to-sue-david-leyonhjelm-20180802-p4zv0n.html
Looks like popcorn shares are in order
Yeah!! Labor staffers are Liberal plants… or Murdoch’s
Andrews was one of the good grubmints
Dan is proof that anyone can become Victorian Premier, regardless of ability and intelligence.
Go Dan!
Labor staffers are Liberal plants… or Murdoch’s
plot lost
rebsFairfax “ The Greens senator is suing Senator Leyonhjelm over a series of comments ” @Ha.ha Glad to see this teabag get his comeupence.
sky ” Labor says a future federal anti-corruption commission could examine incidents from past governments. Labor says it will establish a federal ICAC, that would examine government corruption, should it win the next election.” @Sounds great TC. l always thought kevin07 should have done it. The indys/ greenz would have backed it. Also may have stopped the team self imploding. The biggest challenge is still; will team stooten be able to hammer throw blib over the line as l`m not certain recent victory laps will translate to bananaland (mostly) switching to blib.
This is just turning into a Gutter Trashing (no offense intended reb ) smear campaign of the lowest order
Well done again Oz Meeja
Labor fury over dawn raids by police in red shirts rort investigation
Diddums
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/labor-fury-over-dawn-raids-by-police-in-red-shirts-rort-investigation-20180802-p4zv78.html
‘I was shocked and afraid’: Women say Greens botched their sexual misconduct complaints
Yes, all political parties try to bury or ignore embarrassing complaints rather than transparently deal with them.
The Greens are no different
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-02/women-say-greens-botched-sexual-misconduct-complaints/10060954
Diddums
Yea, the same mob who tried to stitch up the CFMEU (and ended up with egg all over their face) launch a dawn raid on Labor people, dragging them out of their beds, ARRESTING them, just to question them (without legal representation)
And you think this is all cool?
It’s like a friggin bad reproduction of 1984
rather than transparently deal with them.
Aren’t workplace complaints supposed be kept confidential until an outcome?
The outcome isn’t even transparent to those making the complaint! The Greens are just like other political parties – motivated by concealing embarrassment rather than dealing with the issues in the interests of those that made the complaint.
The police have stated they followed standard procedures, do you know that this wasn’t the case?
…and by the way, my personal view of the police (in general) is that they are dumb bullies, attracted to the job because it pays well and allows them to remain bullies without regard to a real sense of public service.
The police culture hasn’t changed for decades
I was referencing Husar with the confidentiality. I don’t really know anything about the Greens one, my excuse, lack of interest
re “standard procedures”
“You know the concerts were elsewhere too. Unless you have evidence,”
What are the chances of Emma being in Brisbane for work at the same time when she had free tickets to go to a concert? I would say zero. Nothing wrong doing things in Brisbane if you just happen to be there but scheduling an appointment to use taxpayer funds is different
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/julia-jets-off-to-a-vip-wedding/news-story/238017071de7e648eaeb89a809a65365
“FRESH from being returned in a farcical leadership spill, Julia Gillard yesterday flew to northern NSW on a taxpayer funded VIP jet for a staffer’s wedding and several low key announcements.”
re confidentiality of Husar – the leaks are obviously coming from the ALP, so… who is likely to replace her, that’s the leading leaking candidate!
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/qantas-flight-attendant-sacked-after-new-york-night-out-results-in-20000-hospital-bill/news-story/de9df560d07439c931c4feac9fc9206d
In her decision, Fair Work Commission deputy president Lyndall Dean said it was “well established that in some circumstances an employee may be validly dismissed because of out of hours conduct”.
Fair enough
the leaks are obviously coming from the ALP
Yea, because there’s no such thing as computer hacking or moles
Most probably from some disgruntled Labor person, but, there are other options
I would say zero
Here’s a scenario
“Hi, I’ll be up your way on my birthday, how about a catch up”
“Cool I might get you a present ”
yea, implausable right 😉
Funnily enough, same thing happened to me once though
Besides, it’s irrelevant where the leaks are coming from. Printing them, without checking veracity, and just leaving them out there as if it is fact, is not just the lowest journalism there is, it is most probably breaking their code of conduct.
No wonder our media are treated with contempt
Julia Gillard yesterday flew to northern NSW …
What do you know about helicopters?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No wonder our media are treated with contempt
Enemies of the people? 😉
And then there’s Micky Money! LOL!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/03/police-say-awu-raid-tip-off-to-media-may-have-breached-the-law
Anyone detecting a tit-for-tat set up here?
Probably just my cynical nature … reinforced at Sunday School …
“What do you know about helicopters?”
Bronnie was going to an official event but should have taken a taxi.
What are the chances there was an official meeting on at the same time that wedding was on in northern NSW? Answer = zero. Gillard just arranged a meeting to be on the same day the wedding was on. Just to save a few bucks for someone earning megabucks. Nobody rorts better than the ALP
PM Gillards use of a taxpayer funded VIP get to attend a staffers wedding shows the big difference between Coalition and ALP supporters. If Howard had done that lefties would always be speaking about it. With Gillard it was in the news for a few days and then forgotten.
I doubt most ALP supporters even know and do not care that Gillard abused the taxpayer by attending that wedding
Today I got an email from the ALP about the Red Shirts scandal… blaming the police for questionable process.
Perhaps an apology for their very questionable use of public funds might have been more appropriate
Nobody rorts better than the LNP! There ya go! Fuxed (been hanging out wiv a couple of Kiwi bros ) Chuckle!
Today I got an email from the ALP about the Red Shirts scandal…
Coupla points, ToMMY
The police were over the top and it seems unnecessarily extreme … (compared to “serious crimes” usual – “report to the station” approach by the cops) Serious fkn crimes?
No charges were laid …
People were denied lawyers – why …?
It’s a grey area AND the ALP is not alone!
Your* (again) making assumptions before the final “report” …
AND you know by now that I will come down on anything illegal!
AND you know that I will wait for the outcome before shooting my comments out!
This is a NEWS LTD (news.com.au) headline …
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/dont-tell-me-being-homeless-is-stunt-television-thats-an-insult/news-story/c9e645bfcd65ebebbb72294e99857e7b
Notice that in comes under “Entertainment” …
AND … I can’t tell her it’s a fkn sham … and an insulting publicity stunt aimed at making money off poor and homeless people … this article even ends up with a “what I can I do” meme !
What has Australia become … over 2300 ex ADF personnel are on the street, homeless and ignored by the government that sent them to WAR!
This Federal government has to GO!
Nope the ALP rort better than anyone. Take Julia Gillard. She arranges a minor meeting to take place where a wedding for one of her staffers is taking place so she can use a VIP jet to get there free of charge. At least Bronnie used the helicopter flight to attend a proper official meeting. And Gillard was PM at the time earning megabucks. If Howard did what Gillard did Labor would never let anybody forget it
If Howard did what Gillard did Labor would never let anybody forget it
Give it a fkn rest!
Three comments … one bitch!
police were over the top and it seems unnecessarily extreme
Police command said they followed standard procedures.
So I suppose I have the choice if believing you and the ALP or the police. Not an attractive choice.
Police command said they followed standard procedures.
Denying people a legal representation is standard procedure?
Arresting people to question them over financial matters is standard procedure?
Dragging people out of bed at the crack of dawn for said questioning is standard procedure?
So I suppose I have the choice if believing you and the ALP or the police. Not an attractive choice.
Obviously you are comfortable with “police state” dictatorial tactics … I’m not …
I know who I’d be backing if it happened to any of my friends or family …
Bet you’re a big fan of Peter Dutton (ex cop), Chris Smith (ex cop) and Ray Hadley (son a soon to be an ex cop).
Cops have been breaking the law since they were invented – cops that is … just ask Robert Peel!
Tom R – Denying people a legal representation is standard procedure?
Well know criminal defence barrister Rob Starey said there was nothing unusual about having witnesses without legal representation. Apparently legal representation is required at the point where charges may be laid.
TB – Obviously you are comfortable with “police state” dictatorial tactics … I’m not …
If you see my comment above, you might like to clarify what you’re talking about – look here – https://theguttertrash.com/2018/07/03/conclusions/#comment-146420
Apparently legal representation is required at the point where charges may be laid.
THEY WERE ARRESTED!!
Vic Police said they followed standard procedure, and I see that Starey has labelled it unorthodox or something like that.
If that’s as critical as their lawyer gets – i think all the outrage is confected, just a “look over there!!
Vic Police said they followed standard procedure
How many people (apart from Unions officials)
• get dragged out of bed at dawn
• get arrested merely to be questioned
• Are denied legal representation after being arrested
That isn’t “standard” in anybodies interpretation (except yours)
I wonder if you would feel ok if [someone you knew] was treated in that manner if she was caught carrying mace?
(That isn’t “standard” in anybodies interpretation (except yours)
Sure it is; it’s the quintessence of ‘discretion(ary (mis)use of (police) powers)’; which is why it’s almost certainly a misnomer for a ‘follower’-qua-initiator to say it’s ‘standard procedure’, when (self-)characterising (mis)use-of-force dynamic(s); theoretically, and actually, there are lots of (in)formal studies of (differential) (mis)applications of ‘standard procedure(s)’, including (over- and under-)rigorous application(s) of ‘standard procedures’, and their consequents, including (sometimes, objectively and (inter-)subjectively, quite radical) diminution(s) of citizens’ (legal, civic, and personal) rights.)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-07/australia-population-set-to-hit-25-million-today/10077100
Australia’s population to hit 25 million, newest resident likely to be young, female and Chinese
I don’t really care about the ethnicity of our next resident, but I think we have about enough people in our cities.
I’m quite happy to have more in regional centres – I always wonder why we can’t make our immigration conditional on agreeing to work outside cities for 5 years.
“I always wonder why we can’t make our immigration conditional on agreeing to work outside cities for 5 years.”
Could it be because there are no jobs there. 🤔😐
Well maybe, but (for example) the unemployment rate in Ballarat is lower than in Melbourne.
Many regional areas have employment opportunities. Cities are already sufficiently expensive, congested and (in some areas) dysfunctional
Regions have cheaper housing and less congestion.
The rationale for immigration is to support economic growth, fine. But to focus this on increasingly congested, expensive and troubled cities seems misdirected.
unemployment rate in Ballarat is lower than in Melbourne
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5305882/ballarat-youth-unemployment-rate-second-lowest-in-australia/
“While the figures point to a healthy jobs sector, employment providers have shared concerns Ballarat’s young people are being underemployed. ”
but I think we have about enough people in our cities.
Says Tom of …… where again?
I’d be surprised if that was limited to Ballarat, but there needs to be a base line for comparison, and ABS figures provide that.
Regional development is a policy supported by all political parties I think – so what’s the problem with having our immigration policy reducing city congestion and supporting regions?
Put your moniker where your words are!
https://www.alp.org.au/support_the_nic
… what’s the problem with having our immigration policy reducing city congestion and supporting regions?
The lack of other policies including but not conclusive:
► Commercial opportunities/employment/facilities
► Infrastructure – roads, rail, bridges, water
► Housing
► Education facilities
► Immigrants’ support
► Health facilities
► Welfare support
► Local support
► Emergency services
► Entertainment/sport facilities
► Intelligent/educated/qualified politicians and advisers
► A new Federal Governmnet
Good to see Emma Husar standing up against the cpg pile on
Either way though, the shit is stuck
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fighting-to-survive-emma-husar-details-her-side-of-the-story-20180806-p4zvva.html
what’s the problem with having our immigration policy reducing city congestion and supporting regions?
Well, for one thing, the internet sucks out there
If only there was a way to remedy that?
Ahhh! ToM’s pushing Tudge’s fudge barrow!
https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/minister-stresses-need-to-spread-migrants/news-story/669acc52bae7b70ed5d335555d1a700a
“The Minister” wants to think more about spending on apprenticeships for locals!
Or “The Minister” wants to learn from the alternative “Minister”…
If only there was a way to remedy that?
General Election?
Australia is one of the most urbanised country in the world, although perhaps Singapore or Iceland beats us.
I really can’t see the problem with requiring people that voluntarily move here put a little time in regional Australia.
Partisan labelling really isn’t an
intelligenttypical response TB.AFP? Haven’t they got better things to do?
Does ToM live near Werribee?
Must be a General Election coming to bring out the cops to catch a few welfare cheats
Maybe the budget is short $444 million?
TB – are you suggesting that those services don’t exist in Ballarat, or Albury, or Newcastle, or Cairns…???
Partisan labelling really isn’t an
intelligenttypical response TB.Nothing partisan there at all in fact each arrow point is a fkn fact.
Describe urbanised (BTW I live in the largest capital city in Australia) and spent quite a few years in Europe …
TB – are you suggesting that those services don’t exist in Ballarat, or Albury, or Newcastle, or Cairns…???
Of course not … but the cities, let alone the regions they are situated in, have a variety of insufficient facilities for most, if not all, on my list – to varying degrees …
“Well, for one thing, the internet sucks out there
If only there was a way to remedy that?”
The regional areas get the NBN via fixed wireless or satellite. That is one area where Turnbull made NO changes. REgional Australia gets what the ALP thought up on that plane flight in 2009 with NO changes by the Coalition.
That is one area where Turnbull made NO changes.
And the one area that he should have … the LNP DID vote against the satellite … and then said how clever they were when it was deployed!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I hope everyone has signed up for the National Integrity Commission
TB Queensland permalink
August 7, 2018 4:03 pm
So aparently the standards of regional Australia are good enough for Australians but not good enough for people that voluntarily seek to live here.
https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/nbn-to-boost-data-quotas-available-over-sky-muster/
”
To their surprise and dismay, many more customers in outer metropolitan areas and outer regional centres are now finding themselves being allocated to Sky Muster for their NBN services, whereas previously under Labor’s NBN plan they were allocated FttP or fixed-wireless,” he said
So aparently the standards of regional Australia are good enough for Australians but not good enough for people that voluntarily seek to live here.
Whoever said that?
(Apparently, BTW) 🙂
(Apparently, indeed; prolly why Tudge voluntarily is ‘sharpening his case’ for de facto boundary streets and workcamps, with hopey-feely in his policy development heartwood; either that, and/or Government’s fetish for ‘designated/declared areas’, across divers policy areas and departments, typically DHA-coordinated, like terrorism-related no-go-zones, already passed, and new and expanded domestic military call out provisions, on the books, has been brought to the forefront of policy development(s), and the proposal for some rather curious ‘negotiated agreements’ and special ‘visa arrangement arrangements’ (complementary with scheduled visa(s)-processing(s) outsourcing/quasi-privatisation, perhaps) are just a co-incidental bonus.)
Tom R
What was the point of your last post? REgional areas get the NBN via fixed wireless or satellite. That is something Turnbull made no changes
Whoever said that?
You listed a range of reasons that you suggested immigrants should not have to spend an initial few years in regional Australia, I pointed out that plenty of people already deal with those issues. They do in cities too.
There is no great hardship in living in places like Geelong, Newcastle, Ballarat, Toowoomba, Cairns etc. The hardship is no greater than living in Broadmeadows or Cabramatta
That is something Turnbull made no changes
Your information is incorrect. Moving people from FTTP onto Satellite doesn’t just mean they moss out on FTTP, it means the Satellite is now tring to service more people than it was designed for, hence the worst performance people are experiencing.
* development heartwood
seems our three-sector model is down a sector 😦
I pointed out that plenty of people already deal with those issues.
I’m not sure too many regional Australians will agree that the standards of regional Australia are good enough for Australians
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-14/nbn-fixed-wireless-congestion-target-high-definition/9865362
https://regionaldevelopment.org.au/remote-rural-australia-dudded-nbn/
TomR
Bit deceitful. They would be decisions made by NBNCo.
Even more deceitful. OK Turnbull did make the change to FTTN. So your sentence should read “Moving people from FTTN onto satellite”
Why would NBNCo move people from FTTN to satellite?
I’m not sure too many regional Australians will agree that the standards of regional Australia are good enough for Australians
So you think Geelong, Albury, Newcastle, Cairns… aren’t acceptable places for immigrants because of the internet?
Why would NBNCo move people from FTTN to satellite?
Ask the inventor of the internet, he did it
So you think Geelong, Albury, Newcastle, Cairns… aren’t acceptable places for immigrants because of the internet?
No, I’m saying Geelong, Albury, Newcastle, Cairns… aren’t acceptable places for Australians OR immigrants because of the internet?
Fine, so are those places worse than Broadmeadows or Cabramatta?
Is ANY place worse than Broadmeadows or Cabramatta?
But, for access to jobs and services, Broadmeadows or Cabramatta would be streaks ahead
“Ask the inventor of the internet, he did it”
You have a link for that? I have never been able to understand why you lefties are so deceitful. Decisions you mentioned would be made by NBNCo with no input from the govt. But this conversation started when you said this
“Well, for one thing, the internet sucks out there
If only there was a way to remedy that?”
The Coalition made NO changes to what was Labors plan for regional Australia. You then posted some red herring to justify your false statement
The Coalition made NO changes to what was Labors plan for regional Australia.
You mean, except for removing FTTP from large swathes and pushing them onto a Satellite service that was designed for far fewer people?
That’s all on malcaymans head, as he was the one charged with destroying the NBN, which he has succeeded at very well.
Broadmeadows has an unemployment rate of 22%, Geelong’s is 6%
So there are more jobs in Broadmeadows????
Geelongs not really the outback is it.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-regional-unemployment-2018-1
TomR
You brought up a red herring to justify your false statement that Turnbull made changes to the NBN for regional areas. Your red-herring link said this
“under Labor’s NBN plan they were allocated FttP or fixed-wireless,” he said”
Firstly i would not believe anything a ALP politican says. And why would NBNCo push people from fixed wireless onto satellite? Please tell me
i don’t think migrants should go to the outback, but regional cities and towns like Geelong, Bendigo, Cairns, Bathurst, Toowoomba are entirely reasonable places to live and for the economic stimulus that the additional population would provide.
is there any rationale for supporting increasing city population through the migration program to put pressure on aging infrastructure, increasing house prices and increasing congestion?
Knock yerself out her nil
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2464034#r48795909
TomR
What are you trying to say? The only change i know of that Turnbull changed is from FTTP to FTTN. He made no changes to what regional areas were going to get.
If NBNCo is shifting people from FTTN and fixed wireless to satellite- so what? Anyway regional areas get fixed wireless and/or satellite. I don’t think they even get FTTN
nil
The current Government provide that they will now provide services to 400,000 services!
This is the result of malcaymans ‘faster, cheaper’
But it isn’t even that
It’s just worst
And another thing! I note that the investigation re Emma Husar have been described as “a witch-hunt”
It is outrageous that we continue to reinforce gender stereo types with archaic and sexist terms like “witch-hunt”
We should refer to this as a “Wicca practitioner hunt”
It’s simply an abuse of process yomm
What? It’s an abuse of process to make a complaint about workplace behaviour? Heavens!
So it is a Wicca practitioner hunt?
TomR
I am still not sure what you are saying. Also the link just under the post where you got the quote from said this (whatever that means)
“You keep beating that drum but it doesn’t make the statement any less incorrect.
AFAIK you’re confusing covered premises with serviced ones.”
What? It’s an abuse of process to make a complaint about workplace behaviour?
It’s an abuse of process to splash it across the front page of a paper
I am still not sure what you are saying
Read the reply two posts down from the statement you copied.
It’s the same one I referenced above 😉
Interesting…
The investigation of the bullying complaints about Emma Husar is either–
• An abuse of process (Tom R)
• Done by the book (NSW ALP)
• A Wicca practitioner hunt (me)
Who knows…but –
The former Victorian Minister for Emergency Services, Jane Garrett, claimed to be bullied by the UFU secretary. She was dismissed.
The Human Rights Commission has investigated the bullying culture of fire services, and written a report – the UFU launched legal action to suppress the report. So the public is not informed about the pervasive culture in this public institution.
The ALP appointed head of Emergency Services (Craig Lapsley) has resigned over bullying allegations.
I must admit that I find it difficult to see how the ALP can impose a standard of behaviour on Craig Lapsley, when it neglected to protect the interests of a Minister who was being bullied in the course of her work.
She was dismissed.
Did she make a formal complaint? Did she instigate a process?
The Human Rights Commission has investigated the bullying culture of fire services, and written a report – the UFU launched legal action to suppress the report. So the public is not informed about the pervasive culture in this public institution.
Yes, the public as well ‘informed’, t’wern’t they
No wonder the UFU tried to suppress it, their fears were correct. The press would try and lay the blame on Firefighters, when it was the white collar upper echelon (the same ones who are trying to slander the UFU) who were found to be the bullies.
Do you have a copy of the report? I’d be interested in it.
Jane Garrett was dismissed following her airing of a complaint. A young woman in a tough job dealing with a blokey culture deserved much better, but you don’t seem to think so.
Jane Garrett was dismissed following her airing of a complaint.
Why didn’t she go through the proper channels, instead of complaining to the media?
Do you have a copy of the report?
Like nil, do some reading
View at Medium.com
“Read the reply two posts down from the statement you copied.”
I still don’t get it but will have a go. NBNCo provides 3 services- fixed line (FTTPand FTTN), fixed wireless and satellite. Regional areas get fixed wireless and satellite. I think you are saying that a larger number of people are going to get fixed wireless and satellite than Labor planned. Even if true so what? Labors “plan” was thought up on a plane flight. Plans usually change during construction
This is THE Breakthrough?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/hydrogen-fuel-breakthrough-csiro-game-changer-export-potential/10082514
Some of you may remember be pushing the benefits of hydrogen cars … along with thorite power stations …
Hydrogen power may well be the power storage “golden fleece” we’ve been hoping for …
Why would ANY government reduce funding to CSIRO!
I pointed out that plenty of people already deal with those issues. They do in cities too.
This is what you wrote:
… what’s the problem with having our immigration policy reducing city congestion and supporting regions?
And I gave you a list … and you rightly stated that the regional issues I quoted exist … add a few thousand struggling immigrants to an already overstretched community and I’m sure even you can guess the consequences …
Maybe we should suspend immigration until Liberal Party members get their act together?
Why would ANY government reduce funding to CSIRO!
The same reason they’d shove people off FttP and onto a Satellite not designed to cope with that many users
They’re bloody idiots
lol
Yesterday, yomm was of about immigrants in the regions, until TB highlighted where his inspiration came from
Today, he started ranting about some Craig Lapsley guy
Then I see this
fer yomm
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1395/5529/products/75009_5B1_5D_large.png?v=1485272542
“he same reason they’d shove people off FttP and onto a Satellite not designed to cope with that many users”
WEll that would not be true. They would be pushing them from FTTN to satellite. And even that may not be true. If i read your link correctly the people on fixed wireless not satellite are increasing from 4% of users to 5% of users. So what? The same thing may have happened if Labor was in power
So far there’s been no rational explanation as to why it is unreasonable to require people that voluntarily seek to move to Australia, put a few years in regional Australia.
Cities are congested, housing is expensive and infrastructure is overburdened. But the ALP barrackers hear seem to think it is fine to simply add to the population . Rather than address the actual issue, the response is that it’s a conservative agenda!!
My comment was prompted by news that we have reached 25mill people a couple of decades earlier than expected.
RB you’re often lamenting that housing is unaffordable and yet you’re unwilling to consider that increasing city population is part of this problem.
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Meanwhile we have an ALP government minister who was sacked after complaining about bullying, but Tom R considers other bullying claims “an abuse of process”
They would be pushing them from FTTN to satellite.
Except under Labor it was FttP
OK so what? REgional Australia was always going to get fixed wireless and/or satellite. I think the plane flight plan in 2009 was 93% fixed line (FTTP) and 7% fixed wireless and/or satellite. So all you are saying is that 7% in regional areas may be increasing to 8% getting wireless and/or satellite. So what? The same thing may have happened under Labor
My comment was prompted by news that we have reached 25mill people a couple of decades earlier than expected.
And my comments were to highlight the lack of infrastructure etc in regions and cities because the Federal Government sits on its arse calling for review after paper after consultation on every issue under the sun (something they deny as being the main answer to Australia’s civic problems) … the LNP governments are owned by banks and big business and the profit god who they choose to serve rather than the people who actually own the fkn country!
Shifting immigrants to the regions might relieve your angst (frightened to go out at night are we?) but it will exacerbate many regions already doing it tough because of a lack of facilities and support for their communities … add that to a massive drought in NSW and QLD and you have a major headache …
Oddly enough the real answer is somewhere in between our comments … massively increase employment opportunities outside the cities and employ immigrant families to work on them … it worked in the 150/60’s …
1950/60’s
I’m not proposing that we ask people to live in Crapperville.
Geelong, Newcastle, Albury etc are well supported for services.
Chortle Time!! While at work last week, elderly pensioner mother went to see her Quack. During quack visit, the computerized govt pushed health records was raised, mum wanted to NOT be in it, don”t trust the govt. The quack replied ‘neither do l’ ,, ‘l`m not going in it’ ,, ‘and l am meeting with all my referring quacks on the subject’ ,, ‘not at all comfortable with patients dumped in automatically’. Quack will contact mum in next few days. (lt sounds like there is groups of quacks that may be going to try and opt-OUT their own patients by default, until they get patient permission or request.)
zzzzzzz
I notice upthread at Aug3 some viewers are losing faith in their Legacy outlets. @chuckle
nil you dimwit as all those links confirm the libs have at least doubled the load the satellite takes and a load they were not designed for. That is why the regions have such poor internet and it is the direct result of liberal policies
for “access to jobs and services, Broadmeadows or Cabramatta would be streaks ahead ” @mostly.Correct @junkJobs??
Places like ‘geelong’ won’t be determinable for a while folks. The ‘wreckage’ won`t be totaled for a couple of years after collapse of auto ‘and’ shipyards (canoes in cherbourge) ‘and’ connected manufacturers. From what l`ve seen, the larger rural centers will probably grow as young and poorer citizens will possibly relocate due to capital city unreachable home prices. The smaller rural places will mostly remain the wastelands their own farmers created during late 1980’s as they are now fully captured by the backpacker and visa slave labor market and have nothing to offer most Aussies. (some coastal ‘tourism’ and ‘seasonal’ industry areas suffer similar for ‘same’ reasons) Remember teabags, junkjobs don’t buy homes, and service poverty aint much of a sales pitch.
I didn’t get that from your links. What i have seen is that people will not be getting 100mbps speeds on the fixed wireless network for regional areas because of the cost
Geelong, Newcastle, Albury etc are well supported for services.
You know this how?
BTW I have lived in the outer suburbs of Brisbane for most of my life … my Mum was smart – she decided we would emigrate … she decided on the outer suburbs near the sea … where I live now I can see the ships sailing through the treetops … can’t actually see water!
And further my family had to have a sponsor or a job, we had to live here for two years or pay to return and the for the trip out (12 men to a cabin – six women) … my dad looked for work on my pushbike with an apple for lunch and fourpence for a phone call (in case of emergencies) … and roads in the Brisbane suburbs in 1961 were mostly gravel …
In fact the Pommies that turned up here in the sixties reckoned it was a decade behind the UK … but The Minister’s family from Nederland and my family from England knuckled down and we …
The above is to explain where my arguments come from … we’ve been there done that …
As for your inclusion of Albury above it’s an ADF town … my son and I both spent time training there … ADF generally means ——– facilities … and isn’t Newcastle struggling? AND I would suspect Geelong (car manufacturing – ZILCH) ?
… people will not be getting 100mbps speeds on the fixed wireless network for regional areas because of the cost
AND you can’t get that speed on wifi … only HFC or FttP …
Leave the arena … your no longer breathing!
Chuckle!
A quick disclaimer … in the 21st century I am a firm believer that we should be setting up satellite towns and villages …
Diversification is as important as building submarines and drones if the military security of Australia is so critical!!
Try convincing Malfunction TurnAbbott that while they are wasting time trying to Kill Bill …
What “ i have seen is that people ” from youngteabag(org) or ipateabag(org) or very, very similar teabaglike(org) continue to turnip to spout physicsfree nonsense on behalf of the teabags obsolete wireCo system. What a surprise the market does not want to pay or use obsolete telegraph wires. What a surprise it is that ITbiz won’t relocate or invest in a country where their workforce cannot work from home, or serve their biz to the world from any location at global best practice. What a surprise it will be in a few short years to discover the AussieIT brain drain; as fresh trained ITnerds are based in Alberta, siliconValley and Auckland. Damn that kiwiFiber.
TB
There are lots of links saying Morrow canned Fixed wireless 100mbps speeds in regional areas because of the cost
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-25/nbn-boss-dumps-top-speed-for-fixed-wireless-customers/9797772
NBN Co on Thursday night announced it had dumped plans to provide 100 megabit per second (mbps) speeds on its fixed wireless network.
“We killed it,” NBN boss Bill Morrow told a Senate Estimates committee.
Fixed wireless uses mobile phone technology to provide broadband to properties in regional areas.
Mr Morrow said consistently achieving 100mbps would cost “billions and billions of dollars” — a taxpayer spend he described as “outrageous”.
No matter how hard youngTeabag(org) members polish the teabags obsolete WireCo turd; it will always remain an obsolete system that gives all of wireCo`s competitors in the market a massive advantage. Suck it up princess!!
Deadbeat
WE have been talking about the NBN for regional areas which the Coalition has made no changes. REgional Australia is getting fixed wireless and/or satellite
No African gangs in Melbourne. None at all. #Taylorstreetleftieidiots
My mistake Taylor’s Hill
No probs there
Ok
(REgional Australia is getting fixed wireless and/or satellite
Correct. The fixed has been fixed, and the wireless has been fixed, and the fixed wireless has been fixed, and the relatively-low actual-uptake of the fixed fixed fixed wireless vis-a-vis (potential/claimed) ‘connections to the network’ has fixed the fixed fixed fixed wireless so well that Bill Morrow is blaming existing ‘(super)users’ for NBMTMNCo’s demonstrated fixed wireless successes, and, further, is spontaneously presenting a strong, very strong business case, for a nation-building utility, one which originally included fulfilling the purpose(s) of national and (inter-)regional network(s) (com)parity(ies), for no (outrageous) changes to no changes, other than the almost inconsiderable, outrage-ous no-changes already wrought. Then there’s the wholesale sell-off of scarce-but-somehow-spare Sky Muster bandwidth to fly-by-night operatives, like QANTAS, instead of meeting remote and regional demand on-the-ground, as envisaged and designed, and further diversion(s) of that now-underprovisioned Sky Muster bandwidth to urban and peri-urban users within what used to be the fixed fixed network footprint which NBMTMCo has just no-change(s)-bypassed, for no doubt also very good (ac)claimed-(pseudo-)connectivity and user-experience reasons.)
Apart from the numerous changes made, there have been NO (more) changes made!
I have heard of problems with the fixed wireless network for regional areas
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbn-chief-blames-online-gamers-for-fixed-wireless-congestion-offers-solution/news-story/24fa0c337b628e5d78fab22ade5a02b6
THE National Broadband Network is evaluating how to fix wireless congestion problems after discovering what it believes is the cause of the problem.
At a parliamentary hearing in Sydney on Monday, NBN chief executive Bill Morrow blamed those pesky online gamers for being the major cause of congestion on the network.
“While people are gaming it is a high bandwidth requirement that is a steady streaming process,” Mr Morrow told the committee, reports ABC.
“This is where you can do things, to where you can traffic shape — where you say, ‘no, no, no, we can only offer you service when you’re not impacting somebody else’.”
As part of a fix for the problem, Mr Morrow said the NBN would consider introducing a fair use policy similar to the one that already applies to satellite users that limits peak-hour data usage of individual customers to no more than 75 gigabytes in any four week period…….A spokesman for Communications Minister Mitch Fifield put the onus back on Labor.
“If we had stuck to Labor’s planned fixed wireless and satellite coverage, at least 200,000 homes and farms would have found themselves without any service at all,” the spokesman said.
“NBN is taking steps to upgrade and augment the group of towers experiencing congestion, and is prudently planning to manage future demand so that fixed wireless users can make the most of the available network capacity.”
No Restaurant will escape unharmed
https://au.news.yahoo.com/riot-squad-called-gang-youths-throw-rocks-police-220152049.html
TomR
I guess there were some changes. Fixed wireless was planned to give speeds of 100mbps for regional areas. Upon reflection they find it would cost billions and billions and billions of dollars for perhaps 600,000 people so that policy was canned.
I guess there were some changes.
NoShitSherlock
and this cluster**** is now costing more than Labors initial “Rolls Royce” solution (and we’ve explained to you before why)
Turnbull has made no major changes for the rollout of the NBN to rural areas. Fixed wireless giving speeds of 100mbps was found to be ultraexpensive. So that policy was canned. You obviously are too stupid to understand that.
And Labors fixed line FTTP rollout would never be finished and bankrupt the country
yawn
FFS! Turn it off someone …
AGL $1.6 BILLION PROFIT … can you see a link here between higher electricity prices?
Just for the record … an essential service should never be a profit centre!! Never!
If the state governments operated power supply as a service guess where the $1.6 BILLION would be going?
JFC! It’s not even economics 101 …
“AGL $1.6 BILLION PROFIT … can you see a link here between higher electricity prices?
Yes i can. Renewable energy with govt subsidies is very profitable
But like TomR you are too stupid to see that
But like TomR you are too stupid to see that
COAL is subsidised!
What PLANET are you from?
Grade 3 education?
Only stupid people call other people stupid!
How much is you’re quarterly power bill? Mine is – $200
How fast is you’re NBN … mine is 94 mbps …
Stupid? Call me stupid but never think I am! At your peril … LOL!
Stupid? Of course you are. AGL just loves govt subsidies for renewable energy.
Stupid? Maybe? Traitors to Australia is more correct.
“COAL is subsidised!………”
So is every other mineral or agricultural product by a diesel rebate or am I missing something ?
Otherwise no not really and certainly not to the extent of your big fans .
(….or am I missing something ?
Tim Flannery blathering on about the statistical probability of longer. more-intense, and more-widespread droughts over the medium-term? Malcolm tossing accounting-units around like externality-chaff? A no-not-really tethered to some sort of a really-real-reality?)
Otherwise no not really and certainly not to the extent of your big fans .
Yep … here’s one — railways are built by taxpayers exclusively for coal companies …
Intergalactically speaking, (on)grid subsidized, politicized, privatized energy generation scheme/s tend to get more expensive as more and more (in)vested interests gain more and more influence and control of those generation scheme/s; until of course the personal and business (end)user makes purchase of their own (off)grid (base)load (re)newable and storage (off)grid (base)load system of their own. The (off)grid (end)users will never be asking the (on)grid subsidized, politicized, privatized electricity influencer’s “What planet are you from?” as it is obvious it is the planet of the primates and telegraph wires. Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! The (off)grid (end)users will really only opine to where the influencer’s will end up storing their stranded assets!
http://joannenova.com.au/2018/08/lets-close-coal-so-agl-triples-its-profits/
Last year AGL made $539 million net profit. This year, $1,600 million. What’s not to like about closing Hazelwood?
Profit statements confirm what we’ve said — closing cheap coal boosts profits for generators. No wonder AGL won’t sell Liddell for a hundred million dollars. It also shows us that the big “bubble” in electricity prices is from the doubling of wholesale electricity costs. These corporates are reaping it in far above costs. The way to cut wholesale prices is to get rid of the RET, and fix our old coal.
bloody free loaders! (literally)
There is no doubt that Australian taxpayers have spent tens of billions of dollars building the railway lines, coal loaders and other infrastructure for the coal industry.
https://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/adani-and-the-end-of-subsidy-denial-20170529-gwfbrq
Profit statements confirm what we’ve said
that privatising essential services is stoopid?
that privatising essential services is stooped
Absofknlutely!
The point regarding a $1.6 billion profit to a company means that money is skimmed from public coffers and not into improving the power systems.
Its actually $1.6 billion wasted … that could be used to improve service …
Privatising essential services is stupid?. TomR why be so deceitful? SA has high electricity prices because they do not want coal. In fact Playford was blown up costing the jobs of hundreds of people at Playford and the Leigh Creek coal mine supplying the coal
SA Labor then found themselves in trouble so they leased diesel generators for $100M and announced the construction of a gas fired power plant.
What has privatisation got to do with that?
What has privatisation got to do with that?</i.
Could it be because a private company blew Playford up?
No. SA Labor chased out coal. Deceitful must be your middle name. Then Labor found themselves in trouble so leased diesel generators for $100M as a backup. That cost is added to everyones power bills.
What has privatisation got to do with labor not wanting to use coal?
It got pushed out because solar and wind were cheaper than coal. It couldn’t compete
Garbage. Subsidies make renewables cheaper. Why do you think AGL tripled its profit?
Subsidies make renewables cheaper
You mean like the way the coal fired stations were subsidised when they were built?
Why do you think AGL tripled its profit?
have you checked your bill lately?
How were coal fired power stations subsidised?
I appears that li’l alice might be in a fair bit of strife.
“”……….railways are built by taxpayers exclusively for coal companies”
And the taxpayers are repaid via royalties.
NOTE FROM TB’s SCHOOL TEACHER
TB tends to day dream alot of fictitious robber barons. He really needs to try harder
And the taxpayers are repaid via royalties.
In the same way that taxpayers will be repaid by cheaper power prices, which only renewables can provide
Nice to see after all these years you finally accept the fact of subsidies for coal
You can blubber all you want. lt won`t stop the rest of us enjoying watching the teabags (both inHouse and in clowntown) tying themselves into pretzels trying to explain away the continual growing list of teabag gluttony and stupidity based failures. You still haven`t worked out we are most likely in, or on the edge of stagflation, and it will only take a couple of percent interest rise to set the homeloan and credit card system into panic. l just wonder how much more that would scale back shareholder equity in the AMP and the big4.
NOTE FROM TB’s SCHOOL TEACHER
TB tends to day dream alot of fictitious robber barons. He really needs to try harder
NOTE TO TB’S “BS TEACHER”*
Do some research … or simply watch the Royal Commission on Banking & Financial Services (sic oxymoron) …
ROBBER BARONS are alive and feeling a bit of heat lately …
The BANKS are nothing but 21st Century Robber Barons … the … Royal Commission on the Energy Supply Industry … will be even more interesting … the sooner the better … it too will reveal ROBBER BARONS … humans never change – just the technology and weapons …
(*Note: this is the self proclaimed “teacher”* who whinges about people putting solar sytems on their homes … *who knows all about accounting – but NOT economics …
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Oops! Watch the slip-up … Nice to see after all these years you finally accept the fact of subsidies for coal … gets ’em everytime
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And teabagz is more national in-tune with finance than Wally the CPA!
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Wait for Metalstorm … BTW I’m seriously looking at Graphene at the moment!
“Nice to see after all these years you finally accept the fact of subsidies for coal”
But do the coal fired power stations get subsidies? I would think the major costs would be salaries and wages followed by building the power station and maintenance. I would think coal is a minor cost.
But do the coal fired power stations get subsidies?
“When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again”
What? Do coal fired power stations get subsidies like wind and solar get?
Yes the graphene 2D semi conductor stuff does look interesting. l have also been watching the semi conductor future ‘upgrade’ tech too, along with battery tech, renews, solar cell tech and hydrogen tech of petros zogrof. Have you noticed the teabags raise the topic of nukiePower from time to time? Talk about arsebackward. Sooner or later one/some of these new techs will take off and punch thru price barriers and the teabagPanic will set in over stranded assets. Cheered till the end by fools.
“n the same way that taxpayers will be repaid by cheaper power prices, which only renewables can provide…..”
You must be profoundly stupid if you actually believe that.
And by the way don’t verbal me about you fiction on coal subsidies. Ever heard about haulage. Ok
Ignorant greenies like you have no idea
Come on somebody tell me what subsidies coal fired power stations get? My understanding of business is that the major cost for any business is salaries and wages. Then you have the cost of building the power station and then maintenance and upkeep. I would think coal would be a minor cost for a power station.
In contrast renewables are given hundreds of millions in subsidies. That is why AGL is getting out of coal and into renewables. Just follow the money. It is strange listening to radio 2GB where the Coalition supporters hate AGL and say they are taking their business elsewhere and Labor supporters are in favor of big business AGL
(Oh, the monkeys-in-business-suits seem to have a somewhat piquedawareness of a (macro/micro)grid(s)-of-(micro/macro)grid(s)-future (un)like the past, or a present-ed business-as-(un)usual scenario, perhaps. Still, ‘Cheered till the end by fools’ v. ‘Ignorant greenies like you have no idea’: whose barrow-load to buy/bye?)
I’ve bought a couple of these, particularly for my daughter – just in case HD happens to be popping in (interesting technology) –
verbal me “ about you fiction on coal “ and utility(s) professed as ‘markets’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis
Ignorant coalies “ like you have no idea ” how fraudulent markets piss away treasury wealth even when ‘working-examples’ already exist.
Have we “ Ever heard about haulage. ” Yes ‘we’ have. The national cost per year for all quantities of wind haulage is $zero and sunray haulage is $zero and will remain so for the foreseeable future, way beyond the life of the current boardroom.
wind haulage is $zero and sunray haulage is $zero
Classic! Chuckle!
ToM, saw a segment on TV re Sharkbanz … looks promising … might get rid of the shark nets too …
Didn’t realise they were on the market already … may I enquire cost?
Hi TB, they’re about $100 and is most effective on bull sharks.
(eventually technology will come up with more effective solutions, and until then a serious culling is fine with me!)
“The national cost per year for all quantities of wind haulage is $zero and sunray haulage is $zero”
But are far as i know coal fired power stations do not get any subsidies unlike wind and solar. That is why AGL wants to get out of coal. Just follow the money
Thanks, ToM, sounds lik cheap insurance …
BTW … … a serious culling is fine with me! … you do realise that its not always about you! 🙂
That is why AGL wants to get out of coal. Just follow the money
I think AGL has already found the pot o’ gold … at the end of your rainbow …
Squirt all you want dummy. While you and teamCheerer and your teams believe the ‘race’ is between a ‘fossil-grid’ and a ‘renew-grid’; agl has woken up to the fact that the REAL race is between OFFgrid baseload/ storage and keeping users ONgrid. That is why liddell is slated for demolition and the site converted to a ‘hydro’ and ‘renew’ complex (probably solar) and won`t be selling liddell to appease unhinged prime meddlers or zombie followers.
AGL knows where the money is. Subsidised renewable energy which unsubsidised coal fired power stations cannot compete with
If you choose not to look hard enough you will never find any taxpayerfunded coalports or taxpayerfunded coalrail or taxpayerfunded taxloopholes or taxpayerfunded roads being damaged by coaltrucking or taxpayerfunded political system to gift them all these taxpayerfunded goodies.
What has that to do with coal fired power stations? The major cost of any business is salaries and wages, maintenance etc. Building the coal fired power station would also be expensive. If they get slightly cheaper coal because the coal mine gets subsidies so what?
Whilst the Usual Subsidyspects perform some form of depraved death struggle with the existentialism or otherwise of or not of fossil subsistence on the taxpayer, I thought I’d repost this from the vaults of the metafiles
Summary of results for financial year ended 30 June 2018
Statutory Profit after tax: $1,587 million, up 194 percent
TomR
What R U raving on about? Whatever subsidies coal mines may get the govt gets more back in royalties and other taxes otherwise they would not give the subsidies in the first place.
But what subsidies does a coal fired power station get? In contrast renewables get hundreds of millions in subsidies
But what subsidies does a coal fired power station get?
Apart from the ones already highlighted?
Hard to Tell
Even if true so what? Coal is our second biggest export generating billions of dollars in export income and the govt would get back more than they put in from royalties and taxes.
The coal fired power station may get slightly cheaper coal because of the subsidies but for any business by far the major cost is salaries and wages followed by maintenance and building costs
and the govt would get back more than they put in from royalties and taxes.
Tell it to the Automotive Industry
Car industry left because nobody wanted to buy aussie made cars.
But NSW got $1.6B in royalties last year from coal mining and Australia wide it was $5B. Coal mining companies also paid income tax, company tax on profits, payroll tax etc etc etc. And i don’t think coal fired power stations got a cent from the govt
Solar and wind infrastructure has to be imported since we don’t make it here and would not survive without subsidies
Your team of dumbfcuks insisted we ‘miss the jobs boat’ in their abdication at kyoto and renew obstruction since and long term destruction of manufacturing development. Now we can merely wait for battery(s) from chindia or tesla to fall low enough for the masses to afford’em. Sooner or later the ‘grid’ is smoked. Coal or otherwise. Subsidy or not.
Hey TC, l think your ‘reneweconomy’ link is bullshitting on the ‘new-house’ connected to gas. lt only applies to them if GAS appliance/s is stipulated in the build (like-jonestown). There is no way consumers (or-developers) want to give work and pay to gasfitters (or any other tradie) if they don’t have to. (note, all ‘Lots’ do have a connection point a couple of feet inside the consumers fenceline when the mains goes thru, but there is no Billing involved.) The reneweconomy site is being dishonest ‘implying’ that consumers with a NO-Gas home will be paying gas bills.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/disgraceful-barnaby-joyce-reaches-across-the-aisle-to-support-emma-husar-20180813-p4zx83.html
So… is Barnaby Joyce right or wrong on this??
Be a big boy. You tell us.
So… is Barnaby Joyce right or wrong on this??
What, that unfounded allegations detrimental to one person from another unsourced person with a political axe to grind shouldn’t be piblished? Is that what he said? Because I agree with that.
Or that when runours of infidelity spread far and wide, the assembled throng should hide it’s assembled head in the ground until after a certain bi-election, and then only acknowledge it when the bump is about to explode?
Here’s a hypothetical
Allegations about a Labor woman proven to be wrong were published by our media
Allegaitions about a conservative male proven to be correct were hidden from us.
Do you see the pattern (and it IS a pattern, this is not in isolation)
I did like this from yomms link to poor widdle barny
took aim at the Labor figures believed to have leaked details of the investigation
So, in article where he (well, actually, his (current) missus) laments the crucifixion by media of Emma Husar, he openly blames people who are ‘believed’ to have done something.
The hypocrisy/idiocy is just amazing
So after reading the comments i conclude that coal fired power stations get no govt subsidies. No wonder AGL wants to get out of coal
Melbourne is no longer the world’s most liveable city!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/melbourne-loses-most-liveable-city-title-to-vienna/10117338
i conclude
The Oracle has Spoekens
Melbourne is no longer the world’s most liveable city!
#AfrikanGangs
or just victorians?
I see the CFMEU has been fined another half mill for their disregard for the law. Fines like that are just the cost of doing business. Apparently.
Just watched chaser dude ‘craig’ on my abc foreign corespondent; in Sweden checking out their trash-furnace (on)grid generators. Doesn`t look as good as the usual suspects try to tell us.
and “ it IS a pattern, this is not in isolation ” as some viewer/s seem to be less and less satisfied with their Legacy outlets and what they keep “ hidden from us ” and what gets rapidly put on viewer/s screens. Who says viewers need facebook to receive FakeNews??
“The Oracle has Spoekens”
Well since nobody spoke up looks like I am right. Coal fired power stations get no govt subsidies. Now coal mines might. But State govts get $5B in royalties from coal mines so I don’t care what subsidies they get.
But the Andrews ALP govt in Victoria tripled the royalties on brown coal making coal generated electricity more expensive which is one of the reasons Hazlewood closed.
You lefties should be more honest. What you should be saying is that renewables are expensive. But CO2 will destroy the planet so we have to pay a higher cost for power to save the planet
Lol nils
Cos noone talks to me I’m right
fer yomm of Cartourne
“……………..so we have to pay a higher cost for power to save the planet””
Yep every single Nation that has embraced renewablse has suffered from increased power prices and now they are building new coal fired power stations burning Australian coal.
So all of those Nations are wrong and the Australian Left is right.
ROFLMAO
“Yep every single Nation has suffered from increased power prices ”
fixed it fer ya 😉
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/16/world-going-slow-coal-misinformation-distorting-facts
So all of those Nations are wrong and the Australian Left is right.
OR!
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/these-games-have-got-to-stop-former-energy-exec-slams-power-price-gouging/news-story/9aeb16185bb4ff55e43f47970c4a213f
ROFLMAO
OR!
FFOMAA
Nothing at all “fixed”
Both teams are in the FakeNews echo chamber when it comes to electricity ‘cost’ to (on)grid users. Take a look at the area(s) around the old ‘hazelwood’ coal burner; which has gone gangbuster putting (off)grid systems or (sell)back renew(solar) on their business and home property(s). Fossil or Renew; it makes no difference to (on)grid users ‘cost’ as abandonment is underway, and falling (grid)demand is also underway due to (self)supply. The west coast govt identified the falling westcoast(grid)demand due to (self)supply about five years ago; (l dropped a link) lt then took reportland about two years to tell east coasters of this; (not that l`m counting); (l dropped a link); it is not like legacy outlets play the public with weak team1-v-team2 (bad)choices FakeNews.
Australian “News Channel is embarking on a 50/50 joint venture with the Nine Network to create a 24-hour channel dedicated to business and personal finance news. The new platform, titled ‘Your Money’ will be broadcast on a Nine free-to-air channel and Foxtel, in addition to distributing content across various digital platforms. Australian News Channel is the parent company of Sky News and Sky News Business, and is wholly owned by News Corp Australia. Australian News Channel is embarking on a 50/50 joint venture with the Nine Network to create a 24-hour channel dedicated to business and personal finance news. The new platform, titled ‘Your Money’ will be broadcast on a Nine free-to-air channel and Foxtel, in addition to distributing content across various digital platforms. Australian News Channel is the parent company of Sky News and Sky News Business, and is wholly owned by News Corp Australia. ”
@seems like just another pointless channel l will have to ‘skip’, just like those stupid ‘shopping’ channel/s.
2x-Doh! https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5801313512001
Don’t know how l managed to ‘double-paste’ above either. (-:
♦ Politicians actually do more harm to society than good
♦ Trickle Down Economics has one fatal flaw – it doesn’t work
TrickleDown? Your pinkist-left echo chamber is only finding the most minor of outsaucing faults. “ About 12 bridges and overpasses have collapsed in Italy since 2004, killing seven people between them. In early 2015 a viaduct in Palermo collapsed within days of opening. Poor structural maintenance was identified as the cause in most of the cases. ” Full indoctrination proves without doubt that investment creates jobs and red-tape cutting increases productivity and safety.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/14/genoa-motorway-bridge-collapses-italy
dotpoint A full update from YouKnowWho will be supplied in the near future when he returns from the Autostrade boardroom meeting.
TrickleDown? Your pinkist-left echo chamber is only finding the most minor of outsaucing faults.
You only need one!!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/16/construction-union-and-act-branch-secretary-charged-with-criminal-cartel-conduct
More Liberal bullshit! How can a union be involved in cartel activity!
Did you actually bother to read the article TB? THe CFMUE (allegedly) “encouraged” several companies to act as a cartel.
Yeah, read it. lts teabag bullshit. Made for suckers like you princess.
Yep, Katter’s band of racist nutcases are supported by the ETU and CFMEU.
Those unions really show outstanding political judgement , and ethics!
If this goes ahead the Award system will be considered ‘Cartel’ behaviour
lols, the CFMMEU is getting dragged through the courts, AGAIN, on trumped up bullshit, yet they must make a stand IMMEDIATELY against some racist dickhead. On the say so of another racist dickhead no less.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/almost-certifiable-bob-katter-pays-political-price-for-backing-fraser-anning-s-final-solution-speech-20180816-p4zxun.html
Here’s a thought ensch, concentrate more on your own dog whistling brethren, and leave the CFMMEU spend Union membership money defending itself against your own Nazi inspired laws
How unbelievable is this, the liberal grubmint is creating the 2nd largest system of protected marine habitats in the world. That sounds AMAZING
Oh, the are creating the second largest from what USED to be the LARGEST
Is it just me, or does this grubmint have a LOT in common with Nazis? First, the demononisation and outlawing of Unions, and then, the double speaking propaganda that Goebbels would have been proud of
No… the Victorian ETU has been a contributor to Katter for many years and a range of left leaning articles have been critical of this,
The CFMEU now also contributes to Katter, and this is the representation they get for their money.
Up until now, Katter has been seen as just you’re average Queensland nutter.
Yet ensch, who’s party for years has relied on his vote, is now demanding the CFMMEU drop everything (that’s probably more the reason) and make a statement
Have the libs made a statement about not accepting their votes yet?
Katter has always been a nutcase – irrational, and a long term Nationals MP, as a range of articles pointed out when the ETU started to support him.
But they coughed up their member’s cash for his election, so did the CFMEU – and this is the representation ETU and CFMEU members get for their money.
So, no cares about the libs accepting his vote, or their preferences?
So… CFMEU & ETU members cough up their money for decent representation… and they get racist nutcases.
That’s a bit of a reflection on the judgement of the leadership of the unions
No, they cough up money to get better workplace conditions.
Which only Unions can provide. And the CFMMEU and ETU are the best at providing that.
So, any news on an actual political party making a statement about THEIR position yomm, or is it only Unions who must be at the beck and call of racist nazi politicians?
I understand that malcayman has a bad case of “Big Stick Energy”
No, they cough up money to get better workplace conditions.
That’s probably what the union members think too, but some of the union income goes to racist nutcases.
Wow yomms off on a rampage today
Welcome to Oztraya mate
Did you actually bother to read the article TB? THe CFMUE (allegedly) “encouraged” several companies to act as a cartel.
Did you actually read what you wrote? “Allegedly encouraged” … FFS!
Earth is Sick
► World politics is operated by large, rich corporations, religious zealots and super rich individuals who manipulate egocentric politicians into quite happily waging war with other nations … with combatants from the ordinary folk
► The remaining 7 billion people just want to raise their children in a safe environment, with food on the table a roof over their heads and a decent education, jobs and adequate income …
but “ some of the union income goes to racist nutcases ” Da-onions are private clubs. So What? Plenty of taxpayerfunded farmer welfare will “definitely” be going to racist nutcases.
The legacy FakeNews outlets continue to play you like a fiddle. Even tho apra at the royalcomm basically said that the theft of super (from public) was mostly done by the amp, big4 and their brands and not cbus industrysuper. Unfortunately for you, the pond you bottomfeed in; is continually shrinking.
I see the CFMEU is encouraging support for the NEG. ETU & AWU are against it.
“Oh, the are creating the second largest from what USED to be the LARGEST
Is it just me, or does this grubmint have a LOT in common with Nazis? First, the demononisation and outlawing of Unions, and then, the double speaking propaganda that Goebbels would have been proud of”
I think it is labor doing the spinning. The marine park network was a creation of the Howard govt. My understanding is that there have been no marine parks created since 2007.
In 2012 Gillard proposed increasing the size of Howards marine parks, drafted some legislation but never presented it to parliament. So the marine parks Tony Burke is referring to do not exist
I would not trust a single thing Tony Burke says
I would not trust a single thing Tony Burke says
And you are THE
political expert!Spin Boy!How do you think is right on the NEG TB and Tom R ? CFMEU or ETU & AWU?
TomR
Your twitter posts about the marine park network is a good example of the deceit of the ALP.
John Howard created our marine park network and there have been no new marine parks created since 2007. In 2012 labor proposed to triple the size of Howards marine parks, drafted some legislation but never put it to Parliament for a vote. So they don’t exist.
But use your brains.Do you really think parliament would be voting to reduce the size of the marine parks if they were legislated in 2012? It would never get through Parliament.
How do you think “ is right on the NEG TB and Tom R ? “
Under the plan, “ solar panels would be installed on 650,000 homes over 10 years. Premier Daniel Andrews said it would help thousands of households save up to $890 dollars a year on their power bills. “We were promised that privatisation would lead to lower prices, that simply hasn’t happened, every household can tell you that,” he said. “Now we have a plan for the future that’s practical, based on common sense that will happen. ”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-19/victorians-to-get-half-price-solar-panels-in-government-scheme/10137484
The @neg is a dog princess.
“We were promised that privatisation would lead to lower prices, that simply hasn’t happened, every household can tell you that,”
Just some more LIES by the most deceitful of all people, Daniel Andrews. Victoria Labor tripled the royalties on brown coal making coal generated electricity more expensive so Hazlewood up and left
fer dopey nil
https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/national-network-marine-parks-reinstated/3042105/
Apparently Bill Shorten has Questions to answer over spuds maneuvering within the liberal party
#youknowitmakessense
TomR
Use your brains. If the marine parks were legislated by Labor in 2012 there is no way the Senate would be passing legislation to make them smaller. The 2012 ALP policy to triple the size of the Howard govt marine parks was just that- a proposal
The only people imitation Goebbels is Tony Burke and the ALP
faark nil
“The policy includes a commitment to reinstate Australia’s national network of marine parks, established by Labor in 2012 and suspended by the Abbott Government.“
TomR
The Coalition did not have the numbers to suspend anything. In 2012 Labor drafted some legislation to triple the size of the Howard govt marine parks. But it was never passed through Parliament so it never became law. They actually do not exist because they were never legislated. If it as legislated there is no way parliament would pass legislation to make them smaller.
Tony Burke and the ALP can teach Goebbels a few things
yea, and the papers are lying about Labor establishing them and abbott suspending them too
you idiot
TomR
You really think there are numbers in the Senate to reduce the size of the marine parks allegedly created in 2012?
They were never legislated in 2012. It was just a proposal which Labor never presented to Parliament for a vote. Tony BURKE is LYING
Tony BURKE is LYING
Please, pinpoint the lie for us?
How the hell can Abbott suspend something which has passed through both houses of Parliament and become law? Labors 2012 policy to triple the size of the Howard govt marine parks was never passed by Parliament.
Burke is LYING because Parliament agreed to nothing in 2012. It was just a proposal which was never made law.
Tony Burke can teach Goebbels how to spin
Ever wondered about Govt spin? This is how the Australian Gov announced it had secured the largest removal of area under conservation in world history. Half of what parliament had agreed in 2012 as highly protected sanctuaries, now open to industrial fishing.\
Pinpoint the lie?
I don’t see where he ever said it was legislated
If it wasn’t legislated those protected areas do not exist. Does a national park exist if the govt proposes to create a National park. Or does the park come into existence when the legislation is passed?
The govt in power can propose lots of things but they don’t become law until legislated. There have been no new marine parks created since 2007
It didn’t need to be legislated for them to be in operation
In 2012, the then-Gillard government expanded the network of marine reserves but they were suspended from operation under then-prime minister Tony Abbott, who ordered an independent review.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-17/australian-marine-parks-criticism-of-new-conservation-plan/8944594
How the hell can Abbott suspend anything if they were legislated by Parliament? The legislation was hanging around parliament like a bad smell and was never voted on. Abbott then dropped the legislation when the Coalition won govt. The parks do not exist because they never were made law by Parliament
The media is spinning what the ALP did which was nothing.
How the hell can Abbott suspend anything if they were legislated by Parliament?
Ask all those media reports to explain it for you.
How the pendulum swings … and the worms squirm …
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/peter-dutton-looms-malcolm-turnbull-support-drops-poll/news-story/b6de9c6a9ab9af3e76a63793382ed258
Thanks Christ for that!
TomR
The media is wrong. The fact that Abbott suspended the legislation means it was never presented to Parliament. It was just hanging around like a bad smell. I heard that the area to be legislated was too big and simple things would be impossible like a father teaching his son how to fish so Labor never presented the legislation to Parliament
If parliament proposes the Pacific Ocean be a sanctuary does it mean anything?
yea nil, everyones a liar but you
Now we are getting somewhere. Abbott can not suspend legislation if it was passed by Parliament. Abbott suspended the legislation because it was never presented to Parliament
( https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Odgers_Australian_Senate_Practice/Chapter_15 )
Funny … I just looked at Neel’s gravatar … someone has tried to shut him up before! :0
OK from your link. Is this what you are saying Labor did in 2012 re marine parks?
“This is law made by the executive government, by ministers and other executive office-holders, without parliamentary enactment”
trying
very trying
and suggested the “real game here” was an effort to damage the Prime Minister before the election
hmm, I thought malcayman was doing that well enough all by hisself?
“trying
very trying”
Are you referring to me?
I would probably need https://theguttertrash.com/2018/07/03/conclusions/#comment-146785 to explain it to you, as I appear unable to get through.
btw, have you apologised to Tony Burke yet? 😉
I’m quite tired of factionalism in politics. I’d prefer just to have the major parties split, and then figure out which smaller one most closely reflected my values.
If Dutton were to lead the Libs, or Abbott, I think they’d come last on my ballot paper
lolz, I followed this back up from one of nils rants
“It was passed using the same legal instruments that the government has used this time. ”
OK what the hell does that mean? Dot mentioned it is possible for Cabinet to make an executive decision without Parliament voting. Is that what Burke is talking about?
Burke said this
Burke said this
“Half of what parliament had agreed in 2012 as highly protected sanctuaries”
What does that mean? If Cabinet made an executive decision Parliament agreed to nothing
If Dutton were to lead the Libs, or Abbott, I think they’d come last on my ballot paper
Not everyone agrees, ToM (I do BTW) …
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/queensland-mps-urged-to-rebel-against-malcolm-turnbull/news-story/d7b5e18b1186a58a14a20bc21aeb1b41
Oddly enough … this not on the headline page of news.com.au …
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