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July 3, 2018

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There’s a scene in the movie Children of Men where the character played by Michael Caine (Jasper Palmer) walks outside of the family home to be knowingly shot dead by government officials who suspect he’s colluding with other anarchists who fail to subscribe to the prevailing government’s ethos.

The movie points to a dystopian future where the media and the government are complicit in forming popular opinion and actively encourage citizens to commit suicide as a way to lessen the burden on the rest of society.

While we may not have arrived at this stage yet, I fear our current government has set us upon a path that could see such a scenario unfold in the distant future. Let’s face it, voting citizens are just an unnecessary inconvenience to an otherwise omnipotent government.

While this prediction may seem melodramatic, consider for a moment, the state of things in Australia.

Our current media landscape is dominated by three main players; Fairfax, News Ltd, and the government funded/subsidised ABC and SBS.

As most of us already know, News Ltd content, and its coverage is pretty much exclusively pro-conservative in its leanings and this extends to the current government.

Fairfax has, for the last ten to 15 years or so, presented a fairly ‘balanced’ view when it comes to political coverage, however this has become compromised in recent years in no part due to its declining audience, and therefore an increasing pressure to present coverage that is favourable to its ever reducing base of corporate advertisers .

If you’ve ever wondered why Fairfax continues to spruik residential property as a “sure fire” investment you need only consider that the weekend real estate supplement in both The Age and Sydney Morning Herald respectively, are responsible for the overwhelming majority of its revenue. This, despite recurring figures that show we’re heading towards a monumental property crash.

The ABC, already on life support after savage budget cuts, is under increasing pressure to provide pro-government coverage (irrespective of whoever is in power), for its very survival, a move that serves as both a disservice to Australians (who fund it) and pushes it further towards becoming a government propaganda channel, rather than a mechanism for holding the government of the day to account as per its charter.

Scott Morrison and Mathias Cormann would have us all believe that the economy is doing fine and the future is rosy, but you’d have to be a moron to believe this is true.

Interest rates are at record lows, not because the economy is doing well, but because it’s on life support, and with no prospect of recovering any time soon.

Trump is rapidly heading the world towards an international trade war that will see share markets tumble and plunge the world into economic crisis.

Meanwhile in Australia, we have among the highest (if not the highest) level of household debt in the developed world, high levels of underemployment, escalating job insecurity, and wage stagnation.

The Turnbull govt is busy slashing penalty rates and subsidising big business – with OUR money – while telling us ‘we’ve never had it so good.’

This whole sorry saga is about to some crashing down on our heads and it will be all thanks to the neo-cons at the LNP.

My advice – get out of debt now, while you still can.

 

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489 Comments leave one →
  1. July 3, 2018 8:46 pm

    BTW, that’s not me in the photo.

    It’s ToM.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2018 11:19 am

    Great read, sreb! Still “got it”, pal.

    Trump is rapidly heading the world towards an international trade war that will see share markets tumble and plunge the world into economic crisis. That historically leads to a blood and treasure wasting war … check out the 1930’s …

    My advice – get out of debt now, while you still can.

    Or at the very least don’t vote Liberal, LNP, Conservative, One Nation or any Independent crackpots – especially to the Senate … Hinch, Katter, Leyonjhelm spring immediately to mind …

    +++++++++++++++++++

    BTW, that’s not me in the photo.

    It’s ToM.

    I knew that – no helmet – and blowing in the wind … 🙂

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 4, 2018 7:38 pm

    And that’s after going to the hairdresser!

  4. Price`Of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 6, 2018 9:19 am

    Nice post reb. l haven’t seen the film yet, tho it sounds a little soylent green. The legacy outlets have not served viewers well for decades now, l have always considered it pretty gutless of them (say) to scream about ‘ruski’ corruption and oligarchy while remaining near silent on ‘our’ corruption and oligarchy. Currently legacy outlets ‘scream’ about the-ronald, in lockstep with their echo chamber off-shore, so l don’t share the teabagPanic if/when the-ronald shakes up the system.

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2018 12:18 am

    My mistake. I said 95% of people here didn’t bother with dressing for the peloton when riding a bike.

    It’s more like 99.9%

    It’s a wonder they’re not all dead with their lack of safety features!

  6. July 7, 2018 2:13 pm

    “95% of people here didn’t bother with dressing for the peloton”

    The “peloton”. Is that like a festival of Morris dancing or something similar..?

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2018 2:42 am

    Cycling in lycra makes men look healthy!!

    Just look at Tony Abbott!

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2018 6:35 pm

    Are these people on suicide missions?!! They all need lycra and a crash helmet!

    http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/2012/01/simply-beautiful.html

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2018 10:14 am

    You do realise that all those cyclists are on wide bikeways and crossings with lights?

    (Are you one of those riders who think a red light means GO for bikes and stop for cars)

    Cycling in lycra makes men look healthy!!

    Just look at Tony Abbott!

    I rest my case … it obviously causes severe brain damage too!

    You are, of course, referring to this Tony Abbott?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-11/tony-abbott-in-bike-helmet/5014484

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2018 12:21 pm

    Now if Abbott had worn a helmet when he was a child?? (He was a child …?)

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2018 12:24 pm

    Now if Abbott had worn a helmet when he was a child?? (He was a child …?)

    Are these people on suicide missions?!!

    No, but these guys are … whoo! Look and they wear helmets!

    https://www.funker530.com/russian-special-forces-2018/

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2018 3:04 pm

    So.. ALP supporters generally no longer recommend Kevin Rudd and Mark Latham,

    That means (on their own admission) that the ALP barrackers get their choice wrong 40% of the time (based on the past 5 leaders) or 50% of the time (if we count Rudd twice in the past 6)

    Given that Latham and Rudd were apparently such duds, but were vociferously supported by ALP barrackers, what’s the point of accepting their word that Shorten will be such a great leader?

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2018 7:04 pm

    I’m busy at the moment but … I shouldn’t talk to hurriedly about … DUD leaders?

    I have big rocks and you obviously live in a glass house … 🙂

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2018 12:58 pm

    Nothing for me to be worried about, I can’t recall a politician I’ve recommended…although i voted for Rudd

  15. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2018 3:22 pm

    Rudd was a dick, but he (with the Labor party) did far more good than howard did for his entire time in office.

    Latham would have been similar (and dumped just as quickly)

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2018 5:40 pm

    “Rudd was a dick, but he (with the Labor party) did far more good than howard did for his entire time in office.”

    Garbage.

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2018 5:48 pm

    Swan was handed a budget with a $20B surplus and within 12 months had turned it into a $27B deficit and we have been in deficit ever since. We were debt free in 2007 until Rudd/Swan trashed the budget

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2018 8:09 pm

    Rudd was a dick… Latham would have been similar

    Fine… but why should we have confidence that Shorten will be a non-dick given that you say 40% of the recent ALP leaders have been dicks

  19. July 14, 2018 12:04 am

    (No conclusions. Yet.)

  20. Price`Of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 14, 2018 7:22 am

    Rudd .. “ did far more good than howard did for his entire time in office.

    Sorry Day. Rudds fiber rollout. Wrangled the GFC. No doubt about it teamCheerer, rudd did way more in his 2years than the zombieOf96 did in 11years. But you are mistaken that rudds achievements will transfer to 29% in upcoming fedVote or even sooner byElections. Many folks still stinging from being knifed; and single mums beaten up by jooLiar. The federal election will not be blibs to win, but will be the teabags to lose.

  21. Price`Of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 14, 2018 8:52 am

    BTW, l`m really enjoying the trumptyDumpty balloon protesters are displaying in britannia while theRonald visits their dud leader.

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2018 6:50 pm

    TomR

    Rudd/Gillard did more good than Howard? Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 costing us $10-$15B and costing us $1B/year since 2013 for the 20,000 still in community detention.

    Rudd/Gillard turned a $20B budget surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months and we have been in deficit ever since. They took unemployment from 4.3% and falling in 2007 to 58% and rising by 2013.

    Basically Rudd/Gillard trashed everything they touched

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2018 9:56 pm

    Basically Rudd/Gillard trashed everything they touched

    I think you’ll find that it was Wall Street in 2008!

    Trump’s Disaster is only months away!

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2018 10:13 am

    The GFC is over but the budget is still in large deficit with unemployment lower than any time under Hawke/Keating. Shows you how great Howard was. He got the budget back into surplus within 12 months of winning govt with unemployment at 8%

  25. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    July 15, 2018 10:23 am

    Trump`s “ Disaster is only months away ” @FakeNews

    The Legacy outlets echoChamber has been saying that on a daily basis for nearly 4years now. Can l now hear ‘impeachment’ from all our leftists out there? (-: (-: (-:

  26. July 15, 2018 6:23 pm

    (Can l now hear….

    ‘Nyet’?

    Shows you how great Howard was.

    да, да, да, да.)

  27. Noise`Poles`Teabag permalink
    July 16, 2018 6:10 am

    Over at LimitedNews “ unchanged two party vote of 51/49 ” (teamKnife/teabags)

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll-malcolm-turnbull-leaves-bill-shorten-in-the-dust/news-story/7a3b6110427fa43d00597bf7f04bd49c?nk=b5ec4848ff1b2e078b4827e956cc1f5b-1531683964

    Turnbull increased his rating as preferred PM by two points to 48 per cent.

    ” Shorten dropped two points to 29 per cent. “

    @To me, it really doesn`t look like blib will do any better at the next fedVote than he did earlier, all that seems to be happening is albo, plib and others are having their lustre diminish while hanging on to blib. l just can`t see voters wanting to swap to blib, so we’re probably going to be stuck with the current wuss again. @fcuk.its.annoying

  28. Noise`Poles`Teabag permalink
    July 16, 2018 9:45 am

    The “ real criminals are the Australian government, ” Senator Wilkie said.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/senators-refer-timor-leste-spy-case-to-afp-for-investigation

    Independent “ MP Andrew Wilkie has written to the Australian Federal Police, urging the agency to investigate whether Australia’s foreign spy agency ASIS broke the law by allegedly bugging the offices of Timor-Leste’s cabinet in 2004.

    Mr Wilkie joined “ with fellow crossbenchers, Centre Alliance Senator Rex Patrick and Greens Senator Nick McKim, to claim the alleged bugging could constitute “conspiracy to defraud” under Section 334 of the ACT’s Criminal Code, according to the letter to the AFP that has been seen by SBS News.

    @Another working example of our ethics being led by non-duopoly folk. For those of us NOT team aligned; this looks like teabag-lite me-tooing with the teabumpkin and teabag zombies. Just whereTF is blib and teamKnife on this? And whyTF are they not supporting wilkie,greens,patrick with this? Equally grubby perhaps? No fcuking ethics from the spooks either huh?

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2018 6:09 pm

    Agree! Tbagz!

    I’m a big fan of Wilkie … one of my family spent 10 months in E T (UNTAET) … two days leave – in Darwin … his family had moved from Townsville to Brisbane!

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2018 6:11 pm

    No fcuking ethics from the spooks either huh?

    Ethics?

    Religions? Politicians? Business? Charities? Journalists? Banks? the list goes on … we live in Sodom … or Gomorrah! (According to well bastardised fairy tales.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2018 7:15 pm

    What an egotistical a***hole Musk has proven to be.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/elon-musk-s-pedo-slur-british-cave-diver-considers-legal-action-20180716-p4zrtv.html

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2018 9:42 pm

    Agree ToM … very disappointed with Musk … mouth as big as his ego …

  33. July 16, 2018 10:54 pm

    (Equally grubby perhaps?

    Stranded with the clap after guzzling spiked champagne?)

  34. July 16, 2018 11:26 pm

    (Also agreed; an immensely short-sighted and offensive response by Musk; and, perhaps, not at all presaged by someone’s dubbing spelunkian basecamp as ‘Pattaya Beach’; but, his protypically-alpha idea(s) of the ‘sub’ and, possibly more intriguingly, (re)deployable robust (de)formational pneumatic tubing, with a lot, lot more imagineering/(re)iterative (re)design work, potentially could result in workable beta model(s), potentially with a wide range of applications, including safety and rescue in adverse operating environments; ergo, definitely not just PR per se.)

  35. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2018 9:44 am

    #MyHealthFail is starting to make #CensusFail look decidedly professional

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2018 3:04 pm

    TR just read that the opt out site crashed – overloaded with people trying to escape!

    Can these people manage anything – except abject failure?

  37. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    July 17, 2018 5:05 pm

    Nice find TC, any of the shit that google gives people to load into their webpages also includes ‘scripts’ that hoover up user data. Clearly the dumbfcuks in clowntown are fcuking clueless to this and will end up letting google hoover up and sell citizens medical data.

    ,

    (Yes. The over inflated ‘SubX’ ego was on display.)

  38. July 17, 2018 6:03 pm

    Happy 4th anniversary to those that enjoy partially crumbed journalism and joy flights to locations where war-birds get smoked.

  39. July 17, 2018 7:12 pm

    I’ve opted out.

    Why would you trust these fuckers with anything.

  40. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    July 18, 2018 5:43 am

    (MARTIN “ FERGUSON, MINISTER FOR RESOURCES AND ENERGY, 2007-2013: ” @So during both the kevin07 era ‘and’ jooLiar era Ferguson seems to be upholding/ defending the asis/ asio/ zombie corruption against eTimor. What a fcuking insult to the boots-on the-ground folk that provided peacekeep/ security/ rebuild/ aid to get eTimor functioning normally. Only to have their efforts undermined by the teabag infected asis/ asio/ spooks.)

  41. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    July 18, 2018 5:53 am

    When it comes to ‘ethics’ and ‘taxAgents’; l wonder if the inHouse blubberer noticed the ATO started agreeing with bigBad bagz this week. (-: (-:

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2018 8:44 am

    The world has gone mad when a council is considering a ban on surfing at Bondi for “safety reasons”

    Bondi often has great surf and it generally breaks well off shore. The northern end already bans fibreglass boards during summer.

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/waverley-council-wants-to-ban-surfing-at-bondi-beach/news-story/6f94b98d23b4bc25f0e8357faf88fe7b

    …meanwhile, cyclists ride their bikes on footpaths without any speed restriction!

  43. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2018 11:03 am

    The world has gone mad when people consider bans on surfing and bike riding instead of the very public displays of Government mismanagement of people’s information they didn’t agree for them to have in the first place

    https://www.smh.com.au/technology/government-left-red-faced-by-health-privacy-commissioner-s-website-bungle-20180717-p4zs1t.html

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2018 11:59 am

    I’ve opted out.

    Why would you trust these fuckers with anything.

    We’re all done here too …

    (I hope we are both referring to the Medical Records Opt Out Scramble and not TGT?) Chuckle!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What a fcuking insult to the boots-on the-ground folk

    Most of ’em I know are well aware of why they went in the first place … can you really imagine Australia suddenly “relieving” Indonesian occupation under arms?

    Nah! I always suspected a big US stick waved at Indonesia in the background … and don’t forget the long term presence of the UN (one of mine was there from day 2 for 10 months with ADF and UN)

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2018 12:03 pm

    … public displays of Government mismanagement of people’s information they didn’t agree for them to have in the first place

    The ignorance concerning technology and privacy is absolutely astounding … globally …

    fick as bricks!

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2018 3:56 pm

    My medical records are mainly about the flu and repairs due to activity, I don’t think I can be bothered worrying about who might look at them

  47. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2018 4:14 pm

    I don’t think I can be bothered worrying about who might look at them

    she’ll be right. mate 😉

    What could go wrong?

    Considering that this Government is already targeting people with drug issues, have shown that they will use the information they have for retribution purposes, the fears of third parties getting a hold of information is really the lest of our worries

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/16/my-health-record-privacy-cybersecurity-and-the-hacking-risk

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2018 6:08 pm

    I don’t think I can be bothered worrying about who might look at them

    Even when we become a satellite territory of the New USSR!

    Ya see ToM … the Jews gave up info before the Nazis came to power in 1933 (couldn’t happen – they said … the Weimar Republic was a democratic republic, they said … )

    Trust not thy government – for the future shall engulf thee …

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2018 6:09 pm

    BTW, ToM, yo are making decisions about your medical records NOW … things can change medically within hours!

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2018 6:45 pm

    Elon musk has apologised I see … good on him …

  51. Wear`Is`My`Teabag permalink
    July 19, 2018 10:40 am

    Obviously ‘another’ wise decision!

  52. Wear`Is`My`Teabag permalink
    July 19, 2018 12:26 pm

    Your guardian echoChamber “ once the data is out, it’s out. You can never get it back. The danger in building such systems is that it`s enough if they fail once.

    @Start the clock! Shall we measure the time until the first hack in weeks or months??

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2018 12:55 pm

    Shall we measure the time until the first hack in weeks or months??

    Well we know it won’t be the Russians, Donny said so …

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2018 1:07 pm

    Well we know it won’t be the Russians, Donny said so …

    What a small minded, snivelling sycophant he has turned out to be. Even worse than anticipated.

  55. Wear`Is`My`Teabag permalink
    July 19, 2018 1:47 pm

    Depends how you look at it folks. During the pilot episode theRonald had said he would make his own decisions and not blindly follow the spooks that claimed saddam had wmd and the sycophants in congress that blindly followed. So theRonald is probably playing nicely now to not fcukup the mid-terms. On the other end of this is the spooks and dems can’t make a single fcukup for next six years. Which may be worth the temporary cow-tow.

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2018 2:42 pm

    Trump has his head so far up Putin’s arse it explains the brown shade of his complexion.

  57. Wear`Is`My`Teabag permalink
    July 19, 2018 2:59 pm

    Stuck in the echoChamber huh?? You should watch oliver stones interviews with the realDeal; stone even asked the realDeal about yank elections, Putin basically said it didn’t matter to him who wins; they all say many things before winning; but once their (yank) system/congress get hold of them, they all turn into the same thing. Which is quite accurate. Remember ‘hope’ and ‘change’?? Lots of ‘hope’ may have been delivered. Not much ‘change’ tho. The realDeal was also fully aware he could sink any candidate he wanted to; by publicly supporting them. All Putin would have to do is say how much he looked forward working with prez hilary on their many projects; and she would be a goner.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2018 3:07 pm

    At least the misogynistic racist wears goggles when he shoves his head up Putin’s arse.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2018 3:14 pm

    Image of Trump getting a bit of Putin out of his brown nose – Trump is not simply satisfied with being a brown nose to Putin – he’s a full brown head

  60. Wear`Is`My`Teabag permalink
    July 19, 2018 3:14 pm

    Maybe he just went for the soccer ball??

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2018 3:32 pm

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2018 4:41 pm

    What irks me is the way the US influence our lives so much and we don’t get a vote …

    Trump is just an obnoxious sycophant … or not or maybe or could be couldn’t he, no, no he isn’t er is?

    Trump is also a fool … and has no idea (like most Septic Tanks) when it comes to world history or geography … its like someone playing with a machine gun who keeps turning the safety catch off and on, off and on … and on – oops!

    Did that bullet hurt? I didn’t mean to … its actually the weapon’s fault not mine … the safety should be better …

  63. Wear`Is`My`Teabag permalink
    July 19, 2018 4:41 pm

    The ” novvyChock ” in britannia. The echoChamber has been chanting ‘ ruski ‘, ‘ ruski ‘, ‘ ruski ‘. Now the echoChamber will soon be tested. On my abc24 the ‘banner’ said they have identified the people they want. Will they be ‘ ruski ‘? Or will it turn out they are mi5, cia, mossad??

  64. Wear`Is`My`Teabag permalink
    July 19, 2018 5:13 pm

    What irks me TOO is the way the US influence our lives so much because our politicians have been continual conga line of weak sycophants(word.of.the.day) and our legacy outlets behave as mere outposts of the yank echoChamber.

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2018 11:38 am

    (like most Septic Tanks)

    I don’t think that is the case TB, the US is a huge country and has it’s fair share of ignorance, but their are also a lot of entirely sophisticated cities and people.

    I often explain that the US version of Kingaroy or Bundaberg would have a million people – but they would still see their city as an outpost. The residents can reflect the types of views that Australians often experience when they visit Queensland.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2018 4:25 pm

    There is hope for the future … watch to the end!

    Michael Moore did a similar exercise decades ago … same result …

    However, it would be interesting to see the same exercise conducted in Oz … mmmmm …

    Noice map too!

  67. Fiff`Tea`States`Of`Teabag permalink
    July 20, 2018 4:29 pm

    the US is a huge country and has MUCH, MUCH MORE THAN it`s fair share of ignorance, COUPLED with an intense arrogance drilled into their public from the earliest age; resulting in their master race self belief of arsebackwardness where every looney has the right to military grade weaponry and a national health program to remove the bullets is promoted as a communist plot

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2018 5:04 pm

    LOL! Funny teebagz!

    Pity it fkn true!

    We do not want to be the 51st State! Ever!

  69. July 21, 2018 12:41 am

    (I’ll just linkdrop this here, for any (if any) who might be interested; since the Commonwealth’s present government seems to have robustly and pragmatically memory-holed a slightly more fulsome account(ing) of/for the ‘targets’ from its public-facing explications of (its (in)actions pro/con) fulfilment of) the Sustainable Development Goals, to which it theoretically subscribes.)

  70. July 21, 2018 6:06 am

    (And, by one updated current assessment, between 2016 and 2018, under the Government’s (ir)responsible domestic central coordinating and implementing (co-)agency, being the Department of PM&C, Australia progressed from 20th to 37th (of 156) in the world; possibly because substantive work(s) towards Sustainable Development Goals achievement(s) (in)formally remain(s) in the ‘gunna’ (maybe, maybe not)/(un)planning stage(s); and about which Goals, and/or their (un)planful (un(der)achievements, an 2016-2018 Australian Prime Minister assiduously has not made a single public statement to-date.)

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    July 21, 2018 5:27 pm

    I think you all know what I think of organised religions particularly the Catholic Church …

    But for the life of me I cannot understand why the Prime Minister of Australia has the right to tell the Pope (Head of State of the Vatican, BTW) what to do …

    The recalcitrant Arch Bishop has been charged, found guilty and sentenced by Australia’s justice system (we may not like the outcome – but that’s it!) …

    Would TurnAbbott tell t*rump what to do?

    And while all this shyte is going on Australia is wandering about the Pacific like a lost child – still!

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2018 1:28 pm

    That’s nonsense TB. If a back executive remained in their position following a conviction, you would be critical, even if their boss lived in another country.

    The moral guardian of a congregation has no place remaining in their job following conviction of concealing such a serious crime.

    If George Pell is convicted I doubt whether he will remain in his job until he has exhausted his appeal rights.

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2018 1:29 pm

    a bank executive

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2018 5:17 pm

    Problem is ToM … banks have a different standard and greedy bosses … and money to make (Ok, a bit like the Catholic Church)

    The Arch Bishop “works” for the Vatican (another STATE BTW) … if Poppa keeps him on, all hell will break loose here, won’t it? Let it! Or is that what Malfunction is trying to avoid?

    Keep him on I say …

    BUT!

    TurnAbbout should worry about attempting to manage the country (if that’s possible), instead he prefers to waste time playing “good guy” …

    Government, Judiciary and religion are considered are to be separate … TurnAbbott is (as usual) mixing shyte up …

  75. July 23, 2018 1:35 am

    (Indeed. In contemporary Australia, I’m perty sure that the rule of law prescribes that criminal(ised) character)s are (to be) annihilated; the Constitutional separation of powers and common law due process prescribe that extra and extrajudicial punishments are to be meted out quasi-arbitrarily, while matters are still sub judice, if not before; and that the rule of man’s Johnny-deciderer(r)-on-the-spot has considerable form for phoning up CEOs late at night on weekends to have someones who somehow irk him given a de facto clip around the ear and a rapid firing by 6am Monday morning; in any event, we already have a renovated Homeland Affairs department operating on alike principles, so extending those sorts of rehabbed good community relations to putative Vatican gang members doesn’t seem too much of a stretch; although, as noted, some lingering question remains as to why a legally-trained rule-of-mannerist characteristically-conveniently is so intent on demonstrating to/for (some kind of) a (domestic) audience his ‘superior’ (religious) convictions; a very tentative answer to which, perhaps, is for all sorts of currently-(un(der)contested in-Party and extra-Party and extra-parties political(-positional) reasons.)

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2018 8:44 am

    Agree M

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2018 10:40 am

    It would be unusual if the opposition lost a seat to the government in a by election, and it would kind of entertaining to hear all the excuses that the ALP barrackers would make-
    * It’s Murdoch’s fault
    * It’s Abbott’s fault
    * The electorate is dumb
    * Shorten is such an attractive and visionary leader, but the media hate him

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2018 11:38 am

    I prefer to wait until AFTER the election …

    Braddon and Longman are neck and neck … “attractive” … visionary – yes … pilloried by incompetent ignoramuses – yes …

    How childish is “Kill Bill” FFS!

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2018 1:22 pm

    TB recently lamented the ignorance of Americans. This might balance the views about ignorance – and these people are Australian graduates and potential journalists!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/are-you-smarter-than-a-journalist-comically-underprepared-candidates-fail-basic-knowledge-quiz/news-story/5861cc82d0fe0a8f39be526da5c1c845

  80. 29%`Teabag`Lite permalink
    July 23, 2018 6:11 pm

    dotpoint ” an attractive and visionary leader ” (-:

  81. 29%`Teabag`Lite permalink
    July 23, 2018 6:30 pm

    dotpoint Nobody claimed any yank could not get into our press club!

  82. 29%`Teabag`Lite permalink
    July 23, 2018 8:10 pm

    How ” childish is “Kill Bill” FFS! ” @You seem to be giving the teabags credit for blib-killing (hint). l suspect blib will end up misplacing at least one of his seats. While the legacy outlets squirt about the east coast seats, remember there is two seats on the west coast which could be quietly misplaced. l am quite chuffed the young ipa downer teabag looks like getting well trounced in canoeland. Fcuk her and her intergenerational entitlement.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2018 10:28 am

    Interestingly enough re Matthew Stephen (Longman) … I had a phone call about six months ago … someone asking me to put a note in Stephen’s letterbox … naturally I said “no” … but I did check up the company that called at the time (can’t remember it now) – it was a debt collection agency … how the fk they got my telephone number but couldn’t call Stephen, leaves a few questions in the air?

    He doesn’t live in Longman … he lives in a rental home near me and that’s Petrie electorate …

    Pretty dodgy … and struggling for a quid is my suspicion …

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    ToM, I long laughed at Australian "journalists" (in fact most "journalists") but you're not really comparing oranges with oranges …

    The people in the video above couldn't even point out their OWN country the USA!

  84. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2018 11:37 am

    It would be unusual if the opposition lost a seat to the government in a by election

    Unusual, perhaps, but the #auspol #msm are running it like it’s DOOMSDAY for KILLBILL

    it’s a pathetic joke

    Just like this #AfrikanGangs #MiddleEasternGangs #NDIS FRAUD scare they are running in sync with the bi-elections

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2018 2:52 pm

    He said Labor was behind the smear campaign, calling it “political bastardy”.

    Fkn Labor’s fault again!

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/one-nation-candidate-denies-debt-claims/news-story/c713551b3cd29c31d455188b5ed400c5

    I know who’s lying … and I can guess why Poorlean Hanson has gone to Ireland … don’t they have a low tax regime for investments? Primarily of course not to get caught in the shitstorm Matthew Stephen has stirred up!

    Haven’t One nation voters figured out yet that ON candidates are all dodgy and simply broke and after a bankroll … just like their “leader” and that slippery, sly prick, Ashby … ?

    Dumb and dimmer …

    Maybe we should have a “values” assessment for people to be able to vote?

  86. Walrus permalink
    July 24, 2018 4:20 pm

    The ALP’s economic model in action…………………….

    http://time.com/5346708/imf-forecast-venezuela-inflation-2018/

  87. Walrus permalink
    July 24, 2018 4:22 pm

    The usual Leftie excuses………………….. (what ? no Murdoch ?)

    “Socialist President Nicolas Maduro often blames Venezuela’s poor economy on an economic war that he says is being waged by the United States and Europe.

    Maduro won a second six-year term as president despite the deep economic and political problems in a May election that his leading challenger and many nations in the international community don’t recognize as legitimate……..”

  88. 29%`Teabag`Lite permalink
    July 24, 2018 4:58 pm

    So because the team chose to be non electable at the next fedVote (or-sooner) and are basically having a ‘by’, it is somehow doomsday, and somehow twitters fault, and somehow FakeNews outlets fault, even tho the only people that has secured their position of loss is inside the partyroom?? How the hell did you deduce that TC??

  89. 29%`Teabag`Lite permalink
    July 24, 2018 5:10 pm

    So Teebz, do you reckon the ‘bigTrev’ teabag ‘willfully’ puffed up his medal info on his CV on purpose; or likely to be genuine accident or typo??

  90. July 24, 2018 6:25 pm

    Four Corners was interesting last night.

    “A Royal Commission into the financial services industry would be rank socialism”

    ~ John Howard.

  91. Final`Fronteer`Teabag permalink
    July 24, 2018 6:52 pm

    Another privatization success!

  92. Final`Fronteer`Teabag permalink
    July 24, 2018 7:35 pm

    long “ laughed at Australian `journalists` (in fact most `journalists`) but you`re not really comparing oranges with oranges ” @correct/agree

    While yomm has taken the bait; l noticed the post quiz was stuff older generations pay attention to or think important etc. l am not sure the same metrics can be applied to the kiddies. The voter and viewer demographics have shattered and fragmented. The kiddies don`t watch teh-news or legacy networks generally. Do they even have any interest in our idiot politics??

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2018 10:58 pm

    Socialist President Nicolas Maduro often blames Venezuela’s

    We don’t live in VENEZUELA!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    So Teebz, do you reckon the ‘bigTrev’

    Let me put it this way … I only served for two years involuntarily … but I know the difference between medals … I know Big Trev served in the powder puffs (airforce to you) for only six years but … come on!

    And BTW I have a defence medal! Service medals are a bit different!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    Four Corners was interesting last night.

    Best program on TV! Surprised its still “funded”.

    Watched a recording over lunch … people need to be in fkn jail!

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Do they even have any interest in our idiot politics??

    Its not really about politics – its about woeful education and incompetent teachers (no three generations …)

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2018 1:54 pm

    One of the reasons I didn’t have a political career – I couldn’t afford to pay off the Playboy models…

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-cohen-recording-of-pay-off-talk-broadcast-on-us-tv-20180725-p4zth1.html

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2018 2:30 pm

    So we have taxpayer funded ALP election promoters in Victoria, the Red Shirts – misuse of public funds

    Now we have taxpayer funded domestic servants/dog walkers for an ALP MP

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-25/bill-shorten-emma-husar-bullying-allegations-simon-birmingham/10031470

    That’s nice

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2018 4:38 pm

    Before I read your link ToM, I notice the word allegation and then lo and behold , Simon fkn Birmingham!

    Can’t wait … here goes …

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2018 4:42 pm

    Yep I’ll wait … Simon is still Slimy tho’ isn’t he?

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2018 5:02 pm

    Yes… no worries. It’s entirely appropriate to use taxpayer dollars to walk your dig, if you’re an MP.

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2018 5:03 pm

    Or even a dog!

  100. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2018 5:53 pm

    It’s entirely appropriate to use taxpayer dollars to walk your dig, if you’re an MP.

    I think you mean ‘allegedly’ there yomm 😉

  101. July 25, 2018 6:08 pm

    Asking a staff member to walk your dig is pretty reprehensible to be fair.

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 25, 2018 6:18 pm

    “Australia’s national broadband network, the NBN, will not return a profit on the billions invested in the project, a new report from credit ratings agency Standard & Poors says.

    The Australian reported that S&P predicted a write-down of the NBN, which would be politically damaging to the Coalition Government.

    The ratings agency claimed that the NBN Co’s business model had led to Australian telecommunications companies investing heavily in mobile services in order to avoid paying the NBN Co’s price”

    https://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/83761-s-p-report-says-damaging-writedown-of-nbn-inevitable.html

    And that is with Turnbull cheaper version. Labors FTTP would bankrupt the country. When 5G comes in a lot of people will go to mobile

  103. Walrus permalink
    July 25, 2018 6:25 pm

    “I think you mean ‘allegedly’ there yomm”

    Except it’s no longer allegedly if ACA captures a staff member on film walking said dog.

    And there are approximately 20 ex staffers making these allegations. They must all have it in for her.

    Then again you still believe Craig Thomson…………… LOL

  104. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    July 25, 2018 6:28 pm

    its ” about woeful education ” @assuming correct

    and ” incompetent teachers (no three generations) ” @but why/how do you think there has been 3generations of crap teachers; when l look at electric/ telco; it is not the techs/tradies fcuking them all up; it IS the political idiots. Are you claiming fed/state idiots aren`t stuffing education?? And noddy improved bananaland education?? lt is not the case in other states, NT.

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2018 6:52 pm

    Asking a staff member to walk your dig is pretty reprehensible to be fair.

    What;s a “dig” … 🙂

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2018 6:54 pm

    Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink

    YES!

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2018 6:59 pm

    Except it’s no longer allegedly if ACA captures a staff member on film walking said dog.

    Yeah, is stupid … and from ToM’s link …

    “I’m a single mum and my first priority is the safety and wellbeing of my children,” she said.

    Then get out of the ‘kitchen” … a politician’s first priority is to the federal government, their constituents and lawmaking …

  108. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    July 25, 2018 7:53 pm

    Except “ it`s no longer allegedly ” @so 20 ex staffers claim they had to pick up turds, yet not one of them was caught on camera picking up blib.

    ,

    Well its good to hear noddy pleased you on education Teebz.

    ,

    Fancy that kneel. Who would of ever guessed 5g, 4g, 3g, 2g, carrier pigeon was technically superior to telegraph wire.

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 25, 2018 8:16 pm

    “Fancy that kneel. Who would of ever guessed 5g, 4g, 3g, 2g, carrier pigeon was technically superior to telegraph wire.”

    Did you read the link? Turnbulls cheaper NBN is going to find it hard to compete with 5G. Labors fibre network which is double the cost would have NO chance

  110. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    July 25, 2018 8:51 pm

    The teabags obsolete telegraph wire “ is going to find it hard to compete with ” everything.

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 25, 2018 9:13 pm

    Mate NBN is not competing because of high CVC fees. Just google “CVC and NBN”. Labors fibre would be even worse. Copper has nothing to do with the current NBN problems

  112. July 26, 2018 12:20 am

    (And that is with Turnbull cheaper version….Copper has nothing to do with the current NBN problems

    I imagine that the big words the investor report used to describe Mr Broadband’s (un)crystallised equity-blackhole were “retrograde technologies”; and failure to compete with whomever wherever with whatever is only enhanced by nominal substitutions, instead of building complementary technologies, or a quasi-whole-of-nation-backbone, as originally designed by NBNCo; then there’s the comparatively high data-unit fees for the spineless NBMTMNCo malware and opportunistic nGs, and their contributions to considerable extant and growing internet gaps between and among regions and across socioeconomic demographics, briefly assessed in the SDG progress report cited above. In short, the ad Libs, as better economic and telco policy managers, achieved much, much less for more, the public pays more for much less, and a nation-building asset was deftly converted into a national liability; win-win-win, ‘ey, mate? And all of it explained ad nauseum. to you, from the beginning(s), despite or in cause of your selective idées fixe, by various civic-minded commentators.)

  113. July 26, 2018 3:56 am

    (Oh, lookie, here’s UN-member-State-member//Commonwealth of Australia-member/Executive Council-member/’Party’-member/’Cabinet’-member/’Party’-member/’Minister’/’Party’-member/’Government’-member/’Party’-member/MP/’Party’-member/Citizen Dutto (mis)representin’ the functional (in)exercise of the Commonwealth of Australia’s Constitutionally-defined treaty-making powers, the nature of conventional/Conventional representative governance, and the (in(con)sequence(s) of (optional) public international law(-making), for a now-better-informed 2GB subscriber-base, which presumably likes contrived (jingoistic) narratives of strong-yet-intrinsically-false-oppositional-defiance; and the (normative) subject matter to which Pete’s ostensibly pro(re)acting is, perhaps, somewhat interesting, too.)

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2018 8:55 am

    “Donald Trump’s Hollywood star vandalised with a pickaxe, man arrested after nearly destroying landmark”

    That seems like a pretty fair type of protest! No one hurt, plenty of publicity and removes some ugly visual pollution from the footpath!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-26/donald-trump-hollywood-star-vandalised/10037214

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2018 8:59 am

    Fake news, ToM …

  116. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2018 9:17 am

    Dot – read this from my link

    “The ratings agency claimed that the NBN Co’s business model had led to Australian telecommunications companies investing heavily in mobile services in order to avoid paying the NBN Co’s price””

  117. Bypass`The`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 11:13 am

    Other telcos will be “ investing heavily in mobile services in order to avoid paying ” WireCo`s high price for WireCo`s dud wire.

  118. July 26, 2018 11:27 am

    (Why? It’s probably already manifest in NBMTMNCo’s strategic (d)evolution of an exhilarating paradimensionality of (pseudo-)de-throttling re-pricings, rocksolid guarantees of sub-sub-standard, not-even-(fast(er)r)-)broadband(floor-premia), and expanded voice-only (re-)provisionings, as the (im)potent(ial) realities of its master-architect’s retrotechno(un)leash(ed) set in.)

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2018 12:07 pm

    https://www.innovationaus.com/2018/06/NBN-financially-doomed-from-start

    NBN Co was doomed to be a “financial disaster” regardless of whether it used Labor’s all-fibre model or the current multi-technology mix, respected independent telecommunications analyst firm New Street Research has told a joint parliamentary committee.

    New Street’s respected senior analyst Ian Martin said taxpayers faced a bill for around $30 billion on write downs to the value of NBN Co under the MTM model and that the cost could have been as high as $60 billion under Labor’s all-fibre mode

  120. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 12:09 pm

    (Those that are easily impressed by high level econoBabble are (un)easily fooled by paperWaffle products regularly (re)produced to holdup their (non)technical understandings of (you)tilities and national infrastructure(s); when simply put, kevin07fiber was a Ferrari and we were being delivered a Ferrari. (Some here would be happy to pay for a Ferrari and be delivered a Datsun.) Under the current teabag obsolete wireCo deal we are now paying for two Ferrari(s) and will be lucky to be delivered half a Datsun.)

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2018 12:18 pm

    U almost got it right. People drive the cars they can afford not the cars they would like to drive like a Ferrari. U can get fibre installed cost = $15,800/premise. Pay for it yourself if U want fibre

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2018 1:23 pm

    Why flying Qantas is totally worth the extra $50
    Yes, and in addition to all the reasons outlined in the article, here are a few more-
     Qantas carries out most of the maintenance on its aircraft in Australia, rather than sending it to an anonymous facility offshore.
     Qantas employs large numbers of apprentices – one of the few remaining large companies to do this.
     It maintains its own standards for engineering, rather than simply defaulting to the generic Airbus or Boeing minimum requirements
     It employs over 30,000 people
     The insufferable Richard Branson isn’t promoting himself at every opportunity
    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/plush-af-why-flying-qantas-is-totally-worth-the-extra-50/news-story/65f401a29387d7c27fb9c7dcf2df326f

  123. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 1:33 pm

    While you are happy paying for two Ferrari(s) and receiving half a Datsun, others have decided half a Datsun doesn`t work for them and going ‘mobile’ to avoid it.

  124. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 1:41 pm

    dotpoint Obeys notams and closed airspace.

    dotpoint Doesn`t take its customers over war-bird graveyards.

  125. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 2:17 pm

    Actually kneel, while kevin07fiber IS the Ferrari. The teabags wireCo obsolete telegraph wire is closer to horse`n cart.

  126. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2018 2:28 pm

    Kevin07fibre is the Ferrari that most people would like to drive but cannot afford. Even Turnbulls FTTN is expensive. High CVC fees charged by NBNCo means that telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds. People are not even paying for the highest speeds they can get with Turnbulls horse n cart because of the cost

  127. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 3:23 pm

    You keep waffling nonsense because you do not have any technical skill or knowledge. We have all paid for our Ferrari via treasury, paye, gst, booze, baccy and petrol tax. In NEW suburbs and developments they do not have or allow power poles or nodes, and ALL services are underground. ln these areas those that chose a level of Ferrari/ horse’n cart driving have then connected the fiber to the building. Those that chose to not drive, but PARK their Ferrari have their fiber coiledup under the footpath or have a connection/jack under the footpath until they (or next owner) decides to drive their Ferrari.

    But WE have all paid for our Ferrari. Got it.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2018 3:24 pm

    Does anyone really give a crap about the “merger” between Chanel 9 and Fairfax?

    The Age (and to a less extent the SMH) have become rags, with poor (agenda driven) reporting usually with factual errors, combined with an infuriating level of illiteracy.

    Keating and the hack “journalist” union can complain all they like, but The Age will disappear without trace at its present trajectory of readership.

    Really… who gives a crap about whether The Age is owned by Chanel 9 or it just disappears as a result of its own success “strategy”?

  129. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 4:10 pm

    Nope. Five years (or more) ago; l would have probably muttered that losing a media ‘perspective’ was more loss than gain. Too many topics are mere echo chamber now. Has been for FOUR years now, not that l`m counting, nor would l need to point out those topics.

  130. July 26, 2018 5:53 pm

    “Qantas carries out most of the maintenance on its aircraft in Australia, rather than sending it to an anonymous facility offshore.”

    How can it be an anonymous offshore facility, if they know where to send said aircraft.

    #questionablelogic

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2018 5:56 pm

    “But WE have all paid for our Ferrari. Got it.”

    No i don’t get it. Most suburbs are not new but old. Installing fibre costs twice as much as using copper. And even using copper is expensive which is the main problem with the NBN. Cost

  132. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 6:23 pm

    Yes most suburbs can be considered ‘old’ and infested with nodes and legacy optsus wire and legacy rupert cable; which the teabags stupidly bought for fraudulent ‘connections’ count; where already existed horse’n cart drivers that also own Ferrari(s). Even tho some paid the big bucks to fuel up the Ferrari and wanted to burn rubber up the information super highway; they had to take the horse’n cart to the local node to pickup the Ferrari. The drivers found their Ferrari could not be put into top gear; the nodes caused traffic jams; promises were not delivered; and they could not take their Ferrari home and park it in the driveway to use whenever they wish. With this level of frustration and disappointment; most drivers returned to their horse’n cart to trot around the information super highway for price of a few bags of oats.

  133. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2018 6:34 pm

    “and legacy optsus wire and legacy rupert cable; which the teabags stupidly bought for fraudulent ‘connections”

    Mate get your facts right. The Optus HFC network was purchased by Rudd/Conroy to decommission the network. Since we had paid megabucks Turnbull thought we could use it. I guess the contract had to be re-written.

    But the OPtus HFC cable network was purchased by LABOR because they wanted to decommission it

  134. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 6:53 pm

    1. Who bought the legacy rupert wire???

    2. Who decided to re-use obsolete legacy scrap wire???

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2018 7:00 pm

    https://www.whistleout.com.au/Broadband/News/nbn-ditching-optus-cable-for-fttdp

    Under the 2011 Labor government, NBN paid Optus $800 million to eventually decommission its HFC network and eventually transfer its customers. Under the following Liberal government, a revised agreement was made that gave NBN the option to use and acquire parts of the Optus HFC network to deliver the National Broadband Network.

  136. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    July 26, 2018 7:28 pm

    and infested with nodes and legacy optsus wire and legacy rupert cable; which the teabags stupidly re-used and bought for fraudulent `connections` count

    Feel better??

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2018 8:01 pm

    The Coalition did not buy anything. Labor paid $800M for the HFC network. Turnbull thought that since we had paid megabucks to decommision the HFC network maybe we could use it

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2018 9:32 pm

    CFA firefighter John* was a member of the United Firefighters Union (UFU) for more than 20 years until he quit in protest after receiving a letter from a debt collector, demanding $2,040 for a union levy he says he never agreed to.

    The UFU sure know how to service their members! And that’s “service” in the animal husbandry sense

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-26/ufu-members-quit-after-debt-collectors-order-payment-for-levies/10036096

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2018 10:24 pm

    Does anyone really give a crap about the “merger” between Chanel 9 and Fairfax?

    Nah! Just the extreme right wing wankers that own Nine!

    You are not that naïve, ToM …

    BTW, I live in Brisbane and I’ve visited the QANTAS maintenance facility (as a Member of the Safety Institute of Australia), however!

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/shifting-jobs-to-overseas-one-of-the-biggest-benefits-to-qantas-rules-changes-20140304-345bd.html

    For the record I’m a Gold FF of QANTAS …

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2018 9:52 am

    https://www.solarcitizens.org.au/townsville?utm_campaign=townsville_bulletin_liftout&utm_medium=email&utm_source=solarcitizens

    Waffle away Malfunction … we saw your destruction of our NBN … but it won’t happen to our renewables energy industry!

    QUEENSLANDER!

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2018 10:30 am

    I don’t think Qantas does any heavy maintenance in Brisbane – I think it’s mainly the aircraft version of tyre kicking and oil checks

  142. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2018 12:43 pm

    The UFU sure know how to service their members

    I AGREE!

    (maybe even in the double entendre way too?) 😉

    And our media sure know how to misrepresent Unions

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2018 2:31 pm

    Stephen asked them at the time to resubmit invoices and said “we now await the clearing of funds”. Guardian Australia has seen invoices totalling more than $20,000 and has spoken to contractors who claim they are owed more.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/27/one-nation-candidate-received-66000-payout-three-weeks-before-selling-debt-laden-company

    If anyone in Longman votes for Matthew Stephan they have rocks in their heads … even his One Nation profile is concocted bullshit!

    This wanker lives in the Sandgate area … with the One Nation van a big clue! He tried for State government last year!

    Quite some way from Caboolture! And Longman!

    An obvious leech sniffing a $200,000 pa trough!

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2018 4:15 pm

    The Age – 10 years ago daily circulation was 208,000, fast forward to 2018 – circulation is 83,000.

    it has lost 60% of it’s readers in 10 years. It is no use all the lefty hand-wringers lamenting its demise, it is a failed business and it either changes or it ceases to exist.

    Of course the 80,000 readers might consider the option of coughing up $25,000 each to pay the $2bn to buy it!

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 27, 2018 4:43 pm

    I think newspapers are doing it tough. I still remember the weekend SMH. It was huge. Real Estate advertising, cars sales furniture etc etc etc. Now people search online.

    That is why it is so unfair that the ABC gets $1B/year of taxpayers money doing the job that SMH, News, Telegraph etc used to do

  146. Walrus permalink
    July 27, 2018 5:49 pm

    “That is why it is so unfair that the ABC gets $1B/year of taxpayers money doing the job that SMH, News……………..””

    There is some truth to that. The ABC”s bias is bigger better and cheaper than any bias Fairfax could have ever put up.

    So the ABC basically ate Fairfax whilst the News Limited stable flourishes .i.e. News Limited owns 61% of Realestate.com.au which is where Fairfax used to make its money and that site is much more heavily used than the Domain.com.au site of Fairfax

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2018 5:57 pm

    It is no use all the conservative hand-wringers lamenting coals demise, it is a failed business and it either changes or it ceases to exist.

    Now what’s more important – really?

    BTW I agree print is dead … just like the parrot …

    And I don’t know anyone who ride a a horse to work either …

    Its called fkn progress!

    There is some truth to that. The ABC”s bias is bigger better and cheaper than any bias Fairfax could have ever put up.

    More tory handwringing … if you want bias 2GB 3AK 4BC, SKY, NINE the list disappears over the horizon!

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2018 6:00 pm

    I think you’ll find that Google Facebook and Twitter are the culprits not the ABC …

    The “bias” you refer to is actually good journalism … along with intelligent satire, drama and docos …

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 27, 2018 6:26 pm

    ” if you want bias 2GB 3AK 4BC, SKY, NINE the list disappears over the horizon!”

    As usual you miss the point. They are not taxpayer funded like the ABC. The organisations you mentioned have to generate their own revenue to survive. I suspect fairfax have lost a lot of readers to the online ABC

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2018 10:46 pm

    Volunteer who ran Emma Husar’s campaign spent weeks in psychiatric hospital

    It’s all a media beat up… and this guy is probably a Liberal Party plant

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/volunteer-who-ran-emma-husar-s-campaign-spent-weeks-in-psychiatric-hospital-20180727-p4zu21.html

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2018 8:55 am

    Nothing to see here either…

    Gee … talk about ABC bias … LOL! Bang, ouch, foot!

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    As usual you miss the point.

    er, no, as usual you do … the point was political bias …

    Nothing changes – nothing’s new …

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2018 12:16 pm

    What? And the ABC does not have a political bias?

  153. Stooten`Satday`Teabag`s permalink
    July 28, 2018 1:08 pm

    suspect “ fairfax have lost a lot of readers to the online ABC ” @echoChamber

    Nah, limitednewsAU, my abc, fairfax have been losing viewers to reuters, vice, nyti, washpo, bbc, aljazeera, france24 during the fragmentation of online viewers. The tired limitednews myth of my abc gobbling up limitednews viewers is pure crap. lf the stupid teabags got their wish of closing my abc; limitednews wouldn’t gain a single viewer. lnstead pollies would have to start lending their arse and buckets of cash to the media above to get their waffle covered. Or facebook where half the viewers are.

  154. Stooten`Satday`Teabag`s permalink
    July 28, 2018 1:47 pm

    Hear are some predictions. The downer teabag will be smoked and the xeno rebrand will return in canoeland.

    Due to team zombie charity team stooten will return in Freo and Perth.

    ln Tassie the fisherman will frighten the fcuk out of the duopoly by getting a larger ‘firstChoice’ vote, but will end up pushing blib over the line.

    In bananaland team pauline will help smoke team blib and push the zombie over the line.

    (anybody else got the nads) (-:

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2018 1:52 pm

    Fact is Fairfax have lost a lot of readers to the taxpayer funded free of charge ABC. The taxpayer funded ABC just gobbles up fellow leftie blogs. Too funny to watch

  156. Stooten`Satday`Teabag`s permalink
    July 28, 2018 2:48 pm

    Crap. Prove it. (hint dummy, half of aussieViewers are on facebook and follow whatever they want from there.)

  157. Stooten`Satday`Teabag`s permalink
    July 28, 2018 5:08 pm

    the fisherman will frighten the fcuk out of the duopoly by getting a larger `firstChoice` vote than legacy outlets and talking heads claim, but

  158. Stooten`Satday`Teabag`s permalink
    July 28, 2018 9:11 pm

    The bananaland teabag has just conceded. @mybad

    The Downer teabag conceded earlier. @tick @results

  159. July 28, 2018 11:31 pm

    (@mybad

    Mhm. Someone has ‘questions to answer‘.)

  160. StootenS`Satday`Teabag`s permalink
    July 29, 2018 9:20 am

    Barrie has “l’m a fixer” mincing shrilly on insiderp, and plib is looking relieved.

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2018 11:00 am

    And Malfunction is no-where to be seen … while The Mad Monk will be pissing itself or getting pissed!

  162. Stootens`Satday`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 11:44 am

    Laughing all the way. l`m a strong potatoHead went to great pains to say the byElection(s) were also about the ‘teams’ and also about the ‘leaders’. Then promptly LOST all three byElection(s) his team was in. While at the same time 29%potatoHead WON all four byElections team29% was in. @ROFL Now we have to wait until around May next year for the national battle for next potatoHead. (-:

  163. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 12:45 pm

    Beats me what people see in the ALP. I guess people want this that and whatever from the govt for free and people think they will get free stuff from the ALP

  164. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 2:22 pm

    Your zombie chose to make it `Stooten-Satday` which DID turn into Stootens Satday with a total cleanSweep of an ownGoal.!!

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2018 2:34 pm

    … people think they will get free stuff from the ALP

    erm, who do think pays the taxes … or do you have investments in Cayman Island with Malfunction TutnAbbott too …

    Its actually not about paying taxes its how they are spent and taxing multi billion corporate profits less than the average taxpayer is simply dumb … especially when they pay CEO’s millions and workers peanuts …

    Education, health, accommodation, living incomes are more important than any corporate greed … and still the RC on Banking and Financial Services discovers what some of us have always known …

    The Robber Barons are alive and well and still pillaging the villages of ordinary hard working people …

    Nothing changes. Nothing is new!

    I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

  166. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 3:00 pm

    I rest my case. Greed is the reason people vote ALP. They are not thinking about the country but themselves

  167. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 3:10 pm

    the “ RC on Banking and Financial Services discovers what some of us have always known ” @ditto

    On any topic the `same` crowd will always come down on the side of bile-hate-envy-greed because they do not have ambition-vision-ethics.

    The zombies could have passed gay marriage for near zero cost, but instead chose to waste tens/hundreds of millions of dollars worth of parliaments time for decades; plus another 120mill on postal poll. The teabags had no problem with corporate monsters stealing from clients fee-for no-service accounts; but tough-on crime when the homeless steal food or blanket.

  168. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 3:18 pm

    “The zombies could have passed gay marriage for near zero cost, but instead chose to waste tens/hundreds of millions of dollars worth of parliaments time ”

    Too funny a leftie worried about govt expense. And in case you have forgotten Parliament voted on SSM under Rudd/Gillard and Parliament said no

  169. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 3:44 pm

    And “ in case you have forgotten ” the johnW visionless zombie STARTED the decades of waste by scribbling on the fed marriage act so that a state could not allow it. Just as the same teabag zombie flogged off telstra at the dawn of the digital age resulting in all the obsolete telegraph wire waste. @yaaay.zombies

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 4:16 pm

    More garbage. Howard incorporated the Common law definition of marriage into the act. In other words Howard changed nothing,

    But since you had forgotten, Parliament voted on SSM in 2012 and Gillard and Swan voted against it. So spare me your concern about the Coalition wasting money.

    Speaking of wasting money there were only 6 boat people in detention before Labor abolished the Pacific Solution. 50,000 boat people later and thousands drowned and a cost of $10B-$20B the ALP has never apologised

  171. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 4:39 pm

    The johnW teabag wasted 11years doing nothing meaningful. Just started lots of waste. 15year iraq war waste. Telegraph wire waste. Gay marriage waste. Nothing but fcuking waste from these tnucs. Too fcuking stupid to even stop the boatie waste over 10bill now. @yaaay.wasters

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 4:45 pm

    You are insane. Howard paid off $96B of debt stated a $80B Future Fund and left $40B in the kitty. Howard/ Costello saved more than $200B in just 11 years.

    Boat waste? It was the ALP who locked up 50.000 boat people.

  173. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 4:55 pm

    As l said. Nothing meaningful.

  174. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 5:04 pm

    Marine Park Network was a Howard govt creation. He also spent more on infrastructure than any previous govt. Started APRA which re-regulated the banking industry after being de-regulated by hawke/keating. Started funding Public Service Superannuation which was never funded. Took unemployment from 8% to 4%- the lowest for a generation

    Other than Superannuation which is not working because people still go on the pension what did Hawke/keating do? They doubled our debt, lost our AAA credit rating. oversaw high unemployment from 1983-1996. Bascially they stuffed everything they touched

  175. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 5:54 pm

    The marine authority and apra were paper lions not funded enough to enforce or prosecute anything. Thanks for reminding me the johnW turd started and ‘entrenched’ the junkjobs. As l said. Nothing meaningful.

  176. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 6:26 pm

    What? I mentioned the marine park network created by Howard and you mentioned marine authority.

    APRA stopped aussie banks giving NINJA loans meaning our banks were in good shape when the GFC hit.

    You are one deluded human being. No wonder the ALP trashes everything it touches when in govt

  177. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 6:41 pm

    The so called marine parks had so many ifs and buts there was still plenty of fish taken. Do ya research dummy. The marine authority/s were too under funded to do any enforcement. On apra, go read some RC testimony and findings. Not enforced as not funded. All meaningless toothless pandas.

  178. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 6:51 pm

    I said APRA stopped banks giving NINJA loans saving the banks from disaster during the GFC You then went off on the RC tangent

    And i have no idea what you are raving on about re:marine parks

    But Howard/Costello did plenty. Much more than Hawke/Keating did.

    And all Rudd/Gillard did was lock up 50,000 boat people costing us $10B-$20B plus $1B/year since 2013

  179. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 7:12 pm

    Nothing meaningful. Couldn’t even stop the boatie waste.

  180. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 7:20 pm

    They did stop the boats. Stop telling lies. But both major parties say anybody who arrived by boat will not be settled in Australia. So we have 20,000 boat people in limbo left over from the Rudd/Gillard years costing us $1B/year

    They also got back our soon to be lost AAA credit rating which we lost under Hawke. And Howard took unemployment to 4% a level not seen since the 1970’s

  181. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 7:36 pm

    That’s right. 1bill a year wasted on putting boaties in gulags and the teabags condoned it and didn’t stop the waste. Nothing meaningful.

  182. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 8:14 pm

    Just apologise. Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them locked up 50,000 boat people and created a massive problem. Only 6 boat people in detention in 2008 before Labor abolished the Pacific Solution

    Also Howard started AUSLINK the biggest infrastructure program in Australian history

    Also Labor locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013. How many kiddies do you think ALP will lock up next time?

  183. Suck`It`Up`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2018 8:27 pm

    Auslink? More fcuking waste. The johnW turd let so many inventions go offshore. And all he ever knew about infrastructure was to flog it off. He didn’t even have the brains to use the thermo generation sites he was offered. Not a single iota of anything meaningful. Just waste.

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2018 10:24 pm

    The masters of waste are the ALP. Rudd/SWan turned a $20B surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months and we have been in deficit ever since with unemployment lower than 6% a rate which Hawke/Keating never achieved. In contrast Howard got the budget back into surplus within 12 months of being elected with unemployment at 8%.

    Waste? We spent $10B-$20B on the 50,000 boat people the ALP locked up. There were only 6 boat people in detention in 2008 before Labor abolished the Pacific Solution

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2018 11:47 am

    The weekend was a disaster for Turnbull & Albanese

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2018 2:57 pm

    Donald Trump, Lauren Southern, Brexit, the election of extremists in Greece and Italy… are all symptoms of masses of people tiring of the “business as usual” model of politics/policy.
    I think people are reacting to being asked to be apologetic/remorseful/feel guilty over things they have no control over, and usually, nor did their parents.

    Western society is generally more participative, engaging, and tolerant than others, from what I have observed over several decades.

    Generally, I’m quite grateful that Australia isn’t experiencing a monumental f**k up or fracturing.

  187. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2018 3:52 pm

    Yes, it was terrible for Albanese, as his party is closer to becoming the Government

    What a tragedy for him 😉

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2018 4:26 pm

    “The weekend was a disaster for Turnbull & Albanese”

    It was a disaster for Australia. Looks like people want the ALP back to finished the job of destroying Australia which Labor started in 2007. The ALP sickoes locked up 50,000 people last time in govt. I wonder how many net time?

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2018 6:01 pm

    The weekend was a disaster for Turnbull & Albanese

    Chuckle … only if you believe news.com and (where RU again?) ahh 3AK … beat-ups …

    C’mon ToM yer better than that … TurnAbbott got fkn fried! By us ordinary folks!

    We is not Umerika! Thanks all the deities … and true blue Aussies!

    Here’s some three worders for ya:

    Society Not Economy!

    People Not Business!

    Service Not Profit!

    Health Not Tax- Reduction!

    Education Not Tax-Reduction

    Welfare Not Wars!

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2018 6:06 pm

    I’m sure CASH has more problems than any of them … paranoia has its consequences!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/30/police-refer-evidence-to-prosecutors-over-michaelia-cash-office-union-raid-leak

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2018 6:40 pm

    Yes and when the moral ALP gets into govt they do nothing but borrow money to pay for their wacky ideas and then everybody is worse off

  192. Lap`Of`Victory`Teabag permalink
    July 30, 2018 6:57 pm

    l`m totally enjoying the painful look on talkbulls face as he tries to keep the teabagPanic from running down his leg, while 29% runs the victory laps talkbull created for him. l also notice mrRabbit is out’n about haunting talkbull with his simple slogans. At least the byElections will provide the country until May; with a fine mini series featuring lots of teabagPanic. (-: (-:

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2018 8:54 pm

    Listened to Chris Smith (or is it Christmas?) in the car this pm … talk about panic … he was in a lather about Turnbull not being anywhere near as “great” as Sir John Winston Howard & the Private School Bullies … a chortling experience … almost stopped the car when he started ranting about the “Shorten Government” and all the things that would “change” …

    Obviously Neel’s source of enlightenment, paranoia and ignorance … 🙂

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2018 7:46 am

    Paranoia? ALP govts are economic disasters.

  195. July 31, 2018 9:04 am

    (Obviously Neel’s source of enlightenment….

    I’d almost assumed NoS had delved somewhat recently into Harold Lasswell’s works; in lieu, perhaps, of the Young Lib’s renaisscentWe Believe‘ credo, whose Menzian precepts are loosely and conveniently abstracted from an even-greater-man-than-Howard’s best and most (geo)politically paranoid, openly rac(ial)ist, free- and social-market(s)-distorting, open-cut-coal-mine-extolling, and etcetera campaign speeches of the late-40s and early-50s.)

  196. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2018 10:11 am

    Paranoia? Rudd/Swan turned a $20B budget surplus into a $27B deficit within 12 months and we have been in deficit ever since. We were debt free in 2007. Now we are hundreds of billions in debt

  197. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2018 10:20 am

    ALP gets into govt they do nothing but borrow money

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2017/03/26/coalition-debt-exceeds-labor/

    I think Neel’s source of enlightenment (such as it is) is more akin to Sponge Bob than any “one-man university”

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2018 11:02 am

    NET govt debt was minus 3.3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero, 13% in 2013 and 19% now.

    Labor started a runaway debt truck which appears unstoppable.

    I wish you lefties would just apologise for once instead of giving your ignorant opinions

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2018 2:28 pm

    Cricket Australia’s sacking of Angela Williamson over abortion tweets ‘should face inquiry

    This is interesting – someone tweets about abortion, and is critical of the government policy and is then dismissed.

    While she might have had a role that involved government liaison, dismissal is too severe, I think.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/call-to-investigate-cricket-australia-sacking-angela-williamson/10055334

  200. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2018 3:34 pm

    ” dismissal is too severe, I think.”

    ya think 😯

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2018 4:02 pm

    Well, it’s not game set and match to the employee,

    if her position involved maintaining professional and courteous relations with the government, and politicians, in order to advance the interests of her employer, then she might not have maintained the standards of personal conduct that could reasonably be expected.

  202. House`Of`Teabag permalink
    July 31, 2018 7:46 pm

    (Between now and 2020, Lasswell would have enjoyed studying the `absolutely` committed value(s) entrenched at youngteabag(org) for advancing his knowledge on Politico Psychosis in the (pre)modern era. Unfortunately he would most likely not be allowed inside to observe the youngteabags and their lesson(s) in un(lightenment)arsebackward(ness) so Lasswell would most likely be locked outside and reduced to count(ing) the trucks that delivered the coo(lay)de.)

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2018 9:02 pm

    she might not have maintained the standards of personal conduct that could reasonably be expected. for a woman …

    Abortion is a the right of the woman concerned no-one else … not politicians and governments, not organised religion, not anti-abortionists, not an employers and certainly not a sports body …

    And these are people that rattle on about freedom of speech FFS! Hypocrisy writ large.

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2018 9:35 pm

    If your job is to maintain good relations with the government… it may not be appropriate to describe them as “most irresponsible … gutless and reckless’’

    It adds a little complication to doing your job.

  205. House`Of`Teabag permalink
    July 31, 2018 10:05 pm

    The corporate puppet would rather defend his daughters employer instead of his daughters rights to her own medical needs. @teabags

  206. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2018 6:03 am

    maintaining professional and courteous relations

    It was her personal Twitter

    The only ones acting unprofessional and being discourteous are the cricket ostraya and the Government.

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 1, 2018 8:13 am

    Her position was basically a lobbyist for CA. If you’re a lobbyist it isn’t wise to use emotive and insulting language to those you’re empolyed to lobby.

    Even so, dismissal seems a bit harsh.

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2018 10:09 am

    No …

    Yes …

    People are not paid for 24/7 “loyalty” …

    And in this country we are were entitled to express our opinions in a public forum without being checked by the “thought police” …

    I guess that’s what happens when the government of the day sets a poor example/precedent …

  209. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2018 12:18 pm

    I see the #GetEmma campaign ran into a bit of difficulty with reality this morning.

    But no matter what, she’s toast. They want her gone, so gone she will be.

  210. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2018 5:50 pm

    With reality? Please explain?

  211. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2018 6:16 pm

    explained

  212. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2018 6:38 pm

    It has been stated that Emma had 2 days to spend in Nth Queensland. She came back a day early so she could use the free tickets she was given.

    They all do it. They schedule commitments to be in town when they want to go to something

    Gillard did that when she was PM. She used Commonwealth planes to go to an event and then went to a wedding at the same place. What a coincidence!!!

  213. Scoop`it`out`Teabag permalink
    August 1, 2018 6:45 pm

    I see inHouseThree still seems to want to import hobarts arsebackwardness into boltsville for his own daughter. Well done!

  214. Scoop`it`out`Teabag permalink
    August 1, 2018 6:57 pm

    MrRabbit did his `eventShopping` when he went to britannia to flog his book, shopped around for an event to waffle at; so treasury could be stuck with bookpromotion tour costs. All the fcukers do it. More Waste.

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2018 7:17 pm

    ” so treasury could be stuck with bookpromotion tour costs.”

    You have a link for that or are you just making stuff up?

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 1, 2018 8:23 pm

    People are not paid for 24/7 “loyalty” …

    You know there are dozens of examples where that isn’t true TB, you’d know you can’t bully a colleague out of hours. Can’t engage in activities agaisnt the interests or in opposition to the employer…

  217. Scoop`it`out`Teabag permalink
    August 1, 2018 8:42 pm

    Can`t “engage in activities agaisnt the interests or in opposition to the employer ” @chuckle

    Hey numbNuts, remember all those time YOU gargled in favor of various junkJob conditions. At least half the workforce nowodays work MonTue for ’employer’ and WedThu for their ‘competitor’.

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2018 10:29 pm

    You know there are dozens…

    You can’t “bully” anyone out of hours or in hours … its called assault … verbal or physical!

    Activities against employer etc … are contractual … and I doubt the issue in question was in WRITING … if it was, then Cricket Australia is dumber than I thought …

  219. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2018 6:11 am

    It has been stated that Emma had 2 days to spend in Nth Queensland

    No ,what WAS stated (as can be seen clearly from the fabricated headline) that she had no official duties, which was demonstrably false

    As to your further smear

    you’d know you can’t bully a colleague out of hours. Can’t engage in activities agaisnt the interests or in opposition to the employer…

    She tweeted something on her private twitter account ffs She wasn’t organising a national boycott!

    And for neel, who seems to have the memory of a goldfish when it suits

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/abbott-repaid-cost-of-2009-book-trips-20130707-2pkav.html

  220. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2018 6:21 am

    Let’s hope Labor go for the jugular this time they are in power.

    Considering the bastardy shown to them, especially by abbott and his turc, I reckon if I were a lib mp, I’d be more than a bit worried

    Get the popcorn ready 😉

    Labor says a future federal anti-corruption commission could examine incidents from past governments.

    Labor says it will establish a federal ICAC, that would examine government corruption, should it win the next election.

    The opposition says the ICAC would determine what matters to investigate, but that Labor would consider referring the Coalition’s decision this year to grant $443.8m towards a small Great Barrier Reef foundation.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5816465162001

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2018 8:53 am

    TomR

    They all do it. They arrange a meeting at a place where they want to do some private business. Technically not wrong but does it pass the sniff test? How convienent to be in town for a work related meeting at the same time a concert for which she had some free tickets was on

  222. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2018 9:55 am

    You can’t “bully” anyone out of hours or in hours … its called assault … verbal or physical!

    There is an entirely different standard regarding “assault” to bullying. Bullying maybe on-line gossip and taunting – I don’t think that will reach the standard of assault, but decent companies may have policies about that type of behaviour – even out of hours.

    I’d imagine you would support those types of policies to protect people from bullying TB.

    The problems with the tweet in the Cricket Australia case is that they weren’t simply political – they were inflammatory and insulting… and this is by an employee who is supposed to lobby the government and politicians for support!

    As I said, I think dismissal is too harsh if this was a single misdemeanour.

  223. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2018 10:24 am

    They all do it.

    What, they all have a life away from ‘the office’

    How convienent to be in town for a work related meeting at the same time a concert for which she had some free tickets was on

    You know the concerts were elsewhere too. Unless you have evidence, like with abbott, bishop etal then stop smearing people. Your not even employed by murdoch, you’re just tagging along

  224. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2018 10:27 am

    Wow, this is faarked

    And Andrews was one of the good grubmints

    Seems they are all as bad as each other

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/02/arrested-victoria-labor-party-rorts-for-votes-investigation?CMP=share_btn_tw

  225. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2018 10:32 am

    And what the ACTUAL!!

    David De Garis resigned in October 2017, when he admitted to leaking news of AFP raids to the media.

    De Garis had only recently returned to the roleas a stopgap measure

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/media-and-policy-advisers-comprise-list-of-high-staff-turnover-from-frontbenchers-employ/news-story/00653705e90c92df9849357781d940cf

    Will we see the same level of unhingement as with Husar and her so far discredited accusations?

  226. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2018 1:33 pm

    Looks like popcorn shares are in order

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2018 1:56 pm

    Yeah!! Labor staffers are Liberal plants… or Murdoch’s

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2018 2:00 pm

    Andrews was one of the good grubmints

    Dan is proof that anyone can become Victorian Premier, regardless of ability and intelligence.

    Go Dan!

  229. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2018 2:50 pm

    Labor staffers are Liberal plants… or Murdoch’s

    plot lost

  230. Drain`it`now`Teabag permalink
    August 2, 2018 7:12 pm

    rebsFairfax “ The Greens senator is suing Senator Leyonhjelm over a series of comments ” @Ha.ha Glad to see this teabag get his comeupence.

    sky ” Labor says a future federal anti-corruption commission could examine incidents from past governments. Labor says it will establish a federal ICAC, that would examine government corruption, should it win the next election.” @Sounds great TC. l always thought kevin07 should have done it. The indys/ greenz would have backed it. Also may have stopped the team self imploding. The biggest challenge is still; will team stooten be able to hammer throw blib over the line as l`m not certain recent victory laps will translate to bananaland (mostly) switching to blib.

  231. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2018 9:03 am

    This is just turning into a Gutter Trashing (no offense intended reb ) smear campaign of the lowest order

    Well done again Oz Meeja

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2018 9:11 am

    Labor fury over dawn raids by police in red shirts rort investigation

    Diddums

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/labor-fury-over-dawn-raids-by-police-in-red-shirts-rort-investigation-20180802-p4zv78.html

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2018 9:20 am

    ‘I was shocked and afraid’: Women say Greens botched their sexual misconduct complaints

    Yes, all political parties try to bury or ignore embarrassing complaints rather than transparently deal with them.

    The Greens are no different

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-02/women-say-greens-botched-sexual-misconduct-complaints/10060954

  234. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2018 9:41 am

    Diddums

    Yea, the same mob who tried to stitch up the CFMEU (and ended up with egg all over their face) launch a dawn raid on Labor people, dragging them out of their beds, ARRESTING them, just to question them (without legal representation)

    And you think this is all cool?

    It’s like a friggin bad reproduction of 1984

  235. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2018 9:45 am

    rather than transparently deal with them.

    Aren’t workplace complaints supposed be kept confidential until an outcome?

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2018 10:18 am

    The outcome isn’t even transparent to those making the complaint! The Greens are just like other political parties – motivated by concealing embarrassment rather than dealing with the issues in the interests of those that made the complaint.

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2018 10:23 am

    The police have stated they followed standard procedures, do you know that this wasn’t the case?

    …and by the way, my personal view of the police (in general) is that they are dumb bullies, attracted to the job because it pays well and allows them to remain bullies without regard to a real sense of public service.

    The police culture hasn’t changed for decades

  238. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2018 10:51 am

    I was referencing Husar with the confidentiality. I don’t really know anything about the Greens one, my excuse, lack of interest

    re “standard procedures”

  239. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2018 1:09 pm

    “You know the concerts were elsewhere too. Unless you have evidence,”

    What are the chances of Emma being in Brisbane for work at the same time when she had free tickets to go to a concert? I would say zero. Nothing wrong doing things in Brisbane if you just happen to be there but scheduling an appointment to use taxpayer funds is different

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/julia-jets-off-to-a-vip-wedding/news-story/238017071de7e648eaeb89a809a65365

    “FRESH from being returned in a farcical leadership spill, Julia Gillard yesterday flew to northern NSW on a taxpayer funded VIP jet for a staffer’s wedding and several low key announcements.”

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2018 1:15 pm

    re confidentiality of Husar – the leaks are obviously coming from the ALP, so… who is likely to replace her, that’s the leading leaking candidate!

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2018 1:36 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/qantas-flight-attendant-sacked-after-new-york-night-out-results-in-20000-hospital-bill/news-story/de9df560d07439c931c4feac9fc9206d

    In her decision, Fair Work Commission deputy president Lyndall Dean said it was “well established that in some circumstances an employee may be validly dismissed because of out of hours conduct”.

    Fair enough

  242. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2018 1:36 pm

    the leaks are obviously coming from the ALP

    Yea, because there’s no such thing as computer hacking or moles

    Most probably from some disgruntled Labor person, but, there are other options

    I would say zero

    Here’s a scenario

    “Hi, I’ll be up your way on my birthday, how about a catch up”

    “Cool I might get you a present ”

    yea, implausable right 😉

    Funnily enough, same thing happened to me once though

  243. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2018 1:41 pm

    Besides, it’s irrelevant where the leaks are coming from. Printing them, without checking veracity, and just leaving them out there as if it is fact, is not just the lowest journalism there is, it is most probably breaking their code of conduct.

    No wonder our media are treated with contempt

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2018 2:11 pm

    Julia Gillard yesterday flew to northern NSW …

    What do you know about helicopters?

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    No wonder our media are treated with contempt

    Enemies of the people? 😉

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2018 2:16 pm

    And then there’s Micky Money! LOL!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/03/police-say-awu-raid-tip-off-to-media-may-have-breached-the-law

    Anyone detecting a tit-for-tat set up here?

    Probably just my cynical nature … reinforced at Sunday School …

  246. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2018 7:42 pm

    “What do you know about helicopters?”

    Bronnie was going to an official event but should have taken a taxi.

    What are the chances there was an official meeting on at the same time that wedding was on in northern NSW? Answer = zero. Gillard just arranged a meeting to be on the same day the wedding was on. Just to save a few bucks for someone earning megabucks. Nobody rorts better than the ALP

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 4, 2018 12:24 pm

    PM Gillards use of a taxpayer funded VIP get to attend a staffers wedding shows the big difference between Coalition and ALP supporters. If Howard had done that lefties would always be speaking about it. With Gillard it was in the news for a few days and then forgotten.

    I doubt most ALP supporters even know and do not care that Gillard abused the taxpayer by attending that wedding

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2018 12:41 pm

    Today I got an email from the ALP about the Red Shirts scandal… blaming the police for questionable process.

    Perhaps an apology for their very questionable use of public funds might have been more appropriate

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2018 7:32 pm

    Nobody rorts better than the LNP! There ya go! Fuxed (been hanging out wiv a couple of Kiwi bros ) Chuckle!

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2018 7:42 pm

    Today I got an email from the ALP about the Red Shirts scandal…

    Coupla points, ToMMY

    The police were over the top and it seems unnecessarily extreme … (compared to “serious crimes” usual – “report to the station” approach by the cops) Serious fkn crimes?

    No charges were laid …

    People were denied lawyers – why …?

    It’s a grey area AND the ALP is not alone!

    Your* (again) making assumptions before the final “report” …

    AND you know by now that I will come down on anything illegal!

    AND you know that I will wait for the outcome before shooting my comments out!

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2018 8:09 pm

    This is a NEWS LTD (news.com.au) headline …

    ‘Don’t tell me being homeless is stunt television. That’s an insult’ by Debbie Schipp

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/dont-tell-me-being-homeless-is-stunt-television-thats-an-insult/news-story/c9e645bfcd65ebebbb72294e99857e7b

    Notice that in comes under “Entertainment” …

    AND … I can’t tell her it’s a fkn sham … and an insulting publicity stunt aimed at making money off poor and homeless people … this article even ends up with a “what I can I do” meme !

    What has Australia become … over 2300 ex ADF personnel are on the street, homeless and ignored by the government that sent them to WAR!

    This Federal government has to GO!

  252. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2018 8:28 pm

    Nope the ALP rort better than anyone. Take Julia Gillard. She arranges a minor meeting to take place where a wedding for one of her staffers is taking place so she can use a VIP jet to get there free of charge. At least Bronnie used the helicopter flight to attend a proper official meeting. And Gillard was PM at the time earning megabucks. If Howard did what Gillard did Labor would never let anybody forget it

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2018 9:41 pm

    If Howard did what Gillard did Labor would never let anybody forget it

    Give it a fkn rest!

    Three comments … one bitch!

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2018 9:52 pm

    police were over the top and it seems unnecessarily extreme

    Police command said they followed standard procedures.

    So I suppose I have the choice if believing you and the ALP or the police. Not an attractive choice.

  255. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2018 8:51 am

    Police command said they followed standard procedures.

    Denying people a legal representation is standard procedure?

    Arresting people to question them over financial matters is standard procedure?

    Dragging people out of bed at the crack of dawn for said questioning is standard procedure?

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2018 9:26 am

    So I suppose I have the choice if believing you and the ALP or the police. Not an attractive choice.

    Obviously you are comfortable with “police state” dictatorial tactics … I’m not …

    I know who I’d be backing if it happened to any of my friends or family …

    Bet you’re a big fan of Peter Dutton (ex cop), Chris Smith (ex cop) and Ray Hadley (son a soon to be an ex cop).

    Cops have been breaking the law since they were invented – cops that is … just ask Robert Peel!

  257. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2018 10:31 am

    Tom R – Denying people a legal representation is standard procedure?

    Well know criminal defence barrister Rob Starey said there was nothing unusual about having witnesses without legal representation. Apparently legal representation is required at the point where charges may be laid.

    TB – Obviously you are comfortable with “police state” dictatorial tactics … I’m not …

    If you see my comment above, you might like to clarify what you’re talking about – look here – https://theguttertrash.com/2018/07/03/conclusions/#comment-146420

  258. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2018 10:33 am

    Apparently legal representation is required at the point where charges may be laid.

    THEY WERE ARRESTED!!

  259. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2018 11:53 am

    Vic Police said they followed standard procedure, and I see that Starey has labelled it unorthodox or something like that.

    If that’s as critical as their lawyer gets – i think all the outrage is confected, just a “look over there!!

  260. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2018 12:25 pm

    Vic Police said they followed standard procedure

    How many people (apart from Unions officials)

    • get dragged out of bed at dawn
    • get arrested merely to be questioned
    • Are denied legal representation after being arrested
    That isn’t “standard” in anybodies interpretation (except yours)

    I wonder if you would feel ok if [someone you knew] was treated in that manner if she was caught carrying mace?

  261. August 6, 2018 1:51 pm

    (That isn’t “standard” in anybodies interpretation (except yours)

    Sure it is; it’s the quintessence of ‘discretion(ary (mis)use of (police) powers)’; which is why it’s almost certainly a misnomer for a ‘follower’-qua-initiator to say it’s ‘standard procedure’, when (self-)characterising (mis)use-of-force dynamic(s); theoretically, and actually, there are lots of (in)formal studies of (differential) (mis)applications of ‘standard procedure(s)’, including (over- and under-)rigorous application(s) of ‘standard procedures’, and their consequents, including (sometimes, objectively and (inter-)subjectively, quite radical) diminution(s) of citizens’ (legal, civic, and personal) rights.)

  262. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2018 1:25 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-07/australia-population-set-to-hit-25-million-today/10077100

    Australia’s population to hit 25 million, newest resident likely to be young, female and Chinese

    I don’t really care about the ethnicity of our next resident, but I think we have about enough people in our cities.

    I’m quite happy to have more in regional centres – I always wonder why we can’t make our immigration conditional on agreeing to work outside cities for 5 years.

  263. August 7, 2018 2:20 pm

    “I always wonder why we can’t make our immigration conditional on agreeing to work outside cities for 5 years.”

    Could it be because there are no jobs there. 🤔😐

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2018 2:39 pm

    Well maybe, but (for example) the unemployment rate in Ballarat is lower than in Melbourne.

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2018 3:04 pm

    Many regional areas have employment opportunities. Cities are already sufficiently expensive, congested and (in some areas) dysfunctional

    Regions have cheaper housing and less congestion.

    The rationale for immigration is to support economic growth, fine. But to focus this on increasingly congested, expensive and troubled cities seems misdirected.

  266. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2018 3:41 pm

    unemployment rate in Ballarat is lower than in Melbourne

    https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5305882/ballarat-youth-unemployment-rate-second-lowest-in-australia/

    “While the figures point to a healthy jobs sector, employment providers have shared concerns Ballarat’s young people are being underemployed.

    but I think we have about enough people in our cities.

    Says Tom of …… where again?

  267. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:00 pm

    I’d be surprised if that was limited to Ballarat, but there needs to be a base line for comparison, and ABS figures provide that.

    Regional development is a policy supported by all political parties I think – so what’s the problem with having our immigration policy reducing city congestion and supporting regions?

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:03 pm

    Put your moniker where your words are!

    https://www.alp.org.au/support_the_nic

    Every Australian has a right to feel confident that their government is open, transparent and free from corruption.

    Corruption has no place in Australia – at any level of government – and governments should do everything they can to prevent it.

    In recent years there has been a loss of public faith in our Commonwealth institutions.

    It’s time to restore that trust, and show that we can do better.

    In January, Bill Shorten announced that a Labor Government will establish a National Integrity Commission – a new federal anti-corruption commission tasked with investigating allegations of serious corruption, and preventing any serious problems before they arise.

    It’s been six months since Bill made that announcement and the government has done nothing. They think there is “no persuasive evidence” such a body is needed. We disagree.

    Sign the petition to pledge your support for a political system where Australians have confidence in the integrity of their government, their parliament, the public service and our public institutions.

    Let’s send the government a message.

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:12 pm

    … what’s the problem with having our immigration policy reducing city congestion and supporting regions?

    The lack of other policies including but not conclusive:

    ► Commercial opportunities/employment/facilities

    ► Infrastructure – roads, rail, bridges, water

    ► Housing

    ► Education facilities

    ► Immigrants’ support

    ► Health facilities

    ► Welfare support

    ► Local support

    ► Emergency services

    ► Entertainment/sport facilities

    ► Intelligent/educated/qualified politicians and advisers

    ► A new Federal Governmnet

  270. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:14 pm

    Good to see Emma Husar standing up against the cpg pile on

    Either way though, the shit is stuck

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fighting-to-survive-emma-husar-details-her-side-of-the-story-20180806-p4zvva.html

  271. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:17 pm

    what’s the problem with having our immigration policy reducing city congestion and supporting regions?

    Well, for one thing, the internet sucks out there

    If only there was a way to remedy that?

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:27 pm

    The minister has also called on business leaders to rethink their approach to skilled migration, arguing it is not always a case of the more, the merrier.

    “The Minister” wants to think more about spending on apprenticeships for locals!

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:29 pm

    Labor’s infrastructure spokesman Anthony Albanese used the population milestone to argue for more spending on roads and public transport projects, including high speed rail.

    “Even if we don’t want to build it tomorrow, we should secure the corridor now so it can proceed in the future,” Mr Albanese said.

    Or “The Minister” wants to learn from the alternative “Minister”…

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:30 pm

    If only there was a way to remedy that?

    General Election?

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:33 pm

    Australia is one of the most urbanised country in the world, although perhaps Singapore or Iceland beats us.

    I really can’t see the problem with requiring people that voluntarily move here put a little time in regional Australia.

    Partisan labelling really isn’t an intelligent typical response TB.

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:34 pm

    THE Australian government is hitting back against dole bludgers and they’re starting at the top, targeting the area with the most prolific welfare cheats in the country.

    Fraudsters living in Melbourne’s southwest will be the first to feel the force of the crackdown after the suburb of Werribee was identified as the country’s dole bludging hotspot.

    Over the next few days, investigators from the Australian Federal Police (AFP) and Federal Department of Human Services (DHS) will be stationed at the Werribee and Sunshine Centrelink offices.

    AFP? Haven’t they got better things to do?

    Does ToM live near Werribee?

    Must be a General Election coming to bring out the cops to catch a few welfare cheats

    Maybe the budget is short $444 million?

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:35 pm

    TB – are you suggesting that those services don’t exist in Ballarat, or Albury, or Newcastle, or Cairns…???

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:41 pm

    Partisan labelling really isn’t an intelligent typical response TB.

    Nothing partisan there at all in fact each arrow point is a fkn fact.

    Describe urbanised (BTW I live in the largest capital city in Australia) and spent quite a few years in Europe …

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:45 pm

    TB – are you suggesting that those services don’t exist in Ballarat, or Albury, or Newcastle, or Cairns…???

    Of course not … but the cities, let alone the regions they are situated in, have a variety of insufficient facilities for most, if not all, on my list – to varying degrees …

  280. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2018 4:48 pm

    “Well, for one thing, the internet sucks out there

    If only there was a way to remedy that?”

    The regional areas get the NBN via fixed wireless or satellite. That is one area where Turnbull made NO changes. REgional Australia gets what the ALP thought up on that plane flight in 2009 with NO changes by the Coalition.

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 5:01 pm

    That is one area where Turnbull made NO changes.

    And the one area that he should have … the LNP DID vote against the satellite … and then said how clever they were when it was deployed!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I hope everyone has signed up for the National Integrity Commission

    TB Queensland permalink

    August 7, 2018 4:03 pm

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2018 5:04 pm

    So aparently the standards of regional Australia are good enough for Australians but not good enough for people that voluntarily seek to live here.

  283. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2018 9:55 pm

    https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/nbn-to-boost-data-quotas-available-over-sky-muster/


    To their surprise and dismay, many more customers in outer metropolitan areas and outer regional centres are now finding themselves being allocated to Sky Muster for their NBN services, whereas previously under Labor’s NBN plan they were allocated FttP or fixed-wireless,” he said

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2018 10:28 pm

    So aparently the standards of regional Australia are good enough for Australians but not good enough for people that voluntarily seek to live here.

    Whoever said that?

    (Apparently, BTW) 🙂

  285. August 8, 2018 8:12 am

    (Apparently, indeed; prolly why Tudge voluntarily is ‘sharpening his case’ for de facto boundary streets and workcamps, with hopey-feely in his policy development heartwood; either that, and/or Government’s fetish for ‘designated/declared areas’, across divers policy areas and departments, typically DHA-coordinated, like terrorism-related no-go-zones, already passed, and new and expanded domestic military call out provisions, on the books, has been brought to the forefront of policy development(s), and the proposal for some rather curious ‘negotiated agreements’ and special ‘visa arrangement arrangements’ (complementary with scheduled visa(s)-processing(s) outsourcing/quasi-privatisation, perhaps) are just a co-incidental bonus.)

  286. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 8:43 am

    Tom R

    What was the point of your last post? REgional areas get the NBN via fixed wireless or satellite. That is something Turnbull made no changes

  287. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 8:46 am

    Whoever said that?

    You listed a range of reasons that you suggested immigrants should not have to spend an initial few years in regional Australia, I pointed out that plenty of people already deal with those issues. They do in cities too.

    There is no great hardship in living in places like Geelong, Newcastle, Ballarat, Toowoomba, Cairns etc. The hardship is no greater than living in Broadmeadows or Cabramatta

  288. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 8:57 am

    That is something Turnbull made no changes

    Your information is incorrect. Moving people from FTTP onto Satellite doesn’t just mean they moss out on FTTP, it means the Satellite is now tring to service more people than it was designed for, hence the worst performance people are experiencing.

    * development heartwood

    seems our three-sector model is down a sector 😦

  289. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 9:06 am

    I pointed out that plenty of people already deal with those issues.

    I’m not sure too many regional Australians will agree that the standards of regional Australia are good enough for Australians

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-14/nbn-fixed-wireless-congestion-target-high-definition/9865362

  290. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 9:07 am

    TomR

    Bit deceitful. They would be decisions made by NBNCo.

    Even more deceitful. OK Turnbull did make the change to FTTN. So your sentence should read “Moving people from FTTN onto satellite”

    Why would NBNCo move people from FTTN to satellite?

  291. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 9:10 am

    I’m not sure too many regional Australians will agree that the standards of regional Australia are good enough for Australians

    So you think Geelong, Albury, Newcastle, Cairns… aren’t acceptable places for immigrants because of the internet?

  292. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 9:25 am

    Why would NBNCo move people from FTTN to satellite?

    Ask the inventor of the internet, he did it

    So you think Geelong, Albury, Newcastle, Cairns… aren’t acceptable places for immigrants because of the internet?

    No, I’m saying Geelong, Albury, Newcastle, Cairns… aren’t acceptable places for Australians OR immigrants because of the internet?

  293. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 9:26 am

    Fine, so are those places worse than Broadmeadows or Cabramatta?

  294. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 9:31 am

    Is ANY place worse than Broadmeadows or Cabramatta?

  295. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 9:32 am

    But, for access to jobs and services, Broadmeadows or Cabramatta would be streaks ahead

  296. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 10:28 am

    “Ask the inventor of the internet, he did it”

    You have a link for that? I have never been able to understand why you lefties are so deceitful. Decisions you mentioned would be made by NBNCo with no input from the govt. But this conversation started when you said this

    “Well, for one thing, the internet sucks out there

    If only there was a way to remedy that?”

    The Coalition made NO changes to what was Labors plan for regional Australia. You then posted some red herring to justify your false statement

  297. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 10:37 am

    The Coalition made NO changes to what was Labors plan for regional Australia.

    You mean, except for removing FTTP from large swathes and pushing them onto a Satellite service that was designed for far fewer people?

    That’s all on malcaymans head, as he was the one charged with destroying the NBN, which he has succeeded at very well.

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 10:55 am

    Broadmeadows has an unemployment rate of 22%, Geelong’s is 6%

    So there are more jobs in Broadmeadows????

  299. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 11:04 am

    Geelongs not really the outback is it.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-regional-unemployment-2018-1

  300. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 11:08 am

    TomR

    You brought up a red herring to justify your false statement that Turnbull made changes to the NBN for regional areas. Your red-herring link said this

    “under Labor’s NBN plan they were allocated FttP or fixed-wireless,” he said”

    Firstly i would not believe anything a ALP politican says. And why would NBNCo push people from fixed wireless onto satellite? Please tell me

  301. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 11:16 am

    i don’t think migrants should go to the outback, but regional cities and towns like Geelong, Bendigo, Cairns, Bathurst, Toowoomba are entirely reasonable places to live and for the economic stimulus that the additional population would provide.

    is there any rationale for supporting increasing city population through the migration program to put pressure on aging infrastructure, increasing house prices and increasing congestion?

  302. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 11:30 am

    Knock yerself out her nil

    https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2464034#r48795909

  303. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 11:49 am

    TomR

    What are you trying to say? The only change i know of that Turnbull changed is from FTTP to FTTN. He made no changes to what regional areas were going to get.

    If NBNCo is shifting people from FTTN and fixed wireless to satellite- so what? Anyway regional areas get fixed wireless and/or satellite. I don’t think they even get FTTN

  304. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 11:54 am

    nil

    The current Government provide that they will now provide services to 400,000 services!

    This is the result of malcaymans ‘faster, cheaper’

    But it isn’t even that

    It’s just worst

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 12:18 pm

    And another thing! I note that the investigation re Emma Husar have been described as “a witch-hunt”

    It is outrageous that we continue to reinforce gender stereo types with archaic and sexist terms like “witch-hunt”

    We should refer to this as a “Wicca practitioner hunt”

  306. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 12:21 pm

    It’s simply an abuse of process yomm

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 12:43 pm

    What? It’s an abuse of process to make a complaint about workplace behaviour? Heavens!

    So it is a Wicca practitioner hunt?

  308. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 1:24 pm

    TomR

    I am still not sure what you are saying. Also the link just under the post where you got the quote from said this (whatever that means)

    “You keep beating that drum but it doesn’t make the statement any less incorrect.

    AFAIK you’re confusing covered premises with serviced ones.”

  309. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 1:39 pm

    What? It’s an abuse of process to make a complaint about workplace behaviour?

    It’s an abuse of process to splash it across the front page of a paper

    I am still not sure what you are saying

    Read the reply two posts down from the statement you copied.

    It’s the same one I referenced above 😉

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 1:44 pm

    Interesting…

    The investigation of the bullying complaints about Emma Husar is either–
    • An abuse of process (Tom R)
    • Done by the book (NSW ALP)
    • A Wicca practitioner hunt (me)

    Who knows…but –
    The former Victorian Minister for Emergency Services, Jane Garrett, claimed to be bullied by the UFU secretary. She was dismissed.

    The Human Rights Commission has investigated the bullying culture of fire services, and written a report – the UFU launched legal action to suppress the report. So the public is not informed about the pervasive culture in this public institution.

    The ALP appointed head of Emergency Services (Craig Lapsley) has resigned over bullying allegations.

    I must admit that I find it difficult to see how the ALP can impose a standard of behaviour on Craig Lapsley, when it neglected to protect the interests of a Minister who was being bullied in the course of her work.

  311. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 1:50 pm

    She was dismissed.

    Did she make a formal complaint? Did she instigate a process?

    The Human Rights Commission has investigated the bullying culture of fire services, and written a report – the UFU launched legal action to suppress the report. So the public is not informed about the pervasive culture in this public institution.

    Yes, the public as well ‘informed’, t’wern’t they

    No wonder the UFU tried to suppress it, their fears were correct. The press would try and lay the blame on Firefighters, when it was the white collar upper echelon (the same ones who are trying to slander the UFU) who were found to be the bullies.

  312. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 2:04 pm

    Do you have a copy of the report? I’d be interested in it.

    Jane Garrett was dismissed following her airing of a complaint. A young woman in a tough job dealing with a blokey culture deserved much better, but you don’t seem to think so.

  313. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 2:13 pm

    Jane Garrett was dismissed following her airing of a complaint.

    Why didn’t she go through the proper channels, instead of complaining to the media?

    Do you have a copy of the report?

    Like nil, do some reading

    View story at Medium.com

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 2:23 pm

    “Read the reply two posts down from the statement you copied.”

    I still don’t get it but will have a go. NBNCo provides 3 services- fixed line (FTTPand FTTN), fixed wireless and satellite. Regional areas get fixed wireless and satellite. I think you are saying that a larger number of people are going to get fixed wireless and satellite than Labor planned. Even if true so what? Labors “plan” was thought up on a plane flight. Plans usually change during construction

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2018 2:23 pm

    This is THE Breakthrough?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-08/hydrogen-fuel-breakthrough-csiro-game-changer-export-potential/10082514

    Some of you may remember be pushing the benefits of hydrogen cars … along with thorite power stations …

    Hydrogen power may well be the power storage “golden fleece” we’ve been hoping for …

    Why would ANY government reduce funding to CSIRO!

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2018 2:30 pm

    I pointed out that plenty of people already deal with those issues. They do in cities too.

    This is what you wrote:

    … what’s the problem with having our immigration policy reducing city congestion and supporting regions?

    And I gave you a list … and you rightly stated that the regional issues I quoted exist … add a few thousand struggling immigrants to an already overstretched community and I’m sure even you can guess the consequences …

    Maybe we should suspend immigration until Liberal Party members get their act together?

  317. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 2:32 pm

    Why would ANY government reduce funding to CSIRO!

    The same reason they’d shove people off FttP and onto a Satellite not designed to cope with that many users

    They’re bloody idiots

  318. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 3:05 pm

    lol

    Yesterday, yomm was of about immigrants in the regions, until TB highlighted where his inspiration came from

    Today, he started ranting about some Craig Lapsley guy

    Then I see this

    fer yomm

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1395/5529/products/75009_5B1_5D_large.png?v=1485272542

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 4:25 pm

    “he same reason they’d shove people off FttP and onto a Satellite not designed to cope with that many users”

    WEll that would not be true. They would be pushing them from FTTN to satellite. And even that may not be true. If i read your link correctly the people on fixed wireless not satellite are increasing from 4% of users to 5% of users. So what? The same thing may have happened if Labor was in power

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 4:40 pm

    So far there’s been no rational explanation as to why it is unreasonable to require people that voluntarily seek to move to Australia, put a few years in regional Australia.

    Cities are congested, housing is expensive and infrastructure is overburdened. But the ALP barrackers hear seem to think it is fine to simply add to the population . Rather than address the actual issue, the response is that it’s a conservative agenda!!
    My comment was prompted by news that we have reached 25mill people a couple of decades earlier than expected.
    RB you’re often lamenting that housing is unaffordable and yet you’re unwilling to consider that increasing city population is part of this problem.
    ——–
    Meanwhile we have an ALP government minister who was sacked after complaining about bullying, but Tom R considers other bullying claims “an abuse of process”

  321. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 4:43 pm

    They would be pushing them from FTTN to satellite.

    Except under Labor it was FttP

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 4:55 pm

    OK so what? REgional Australia was always going to get fixed wireless and/or satellite. I think the plane flight plan in 2009 was 93% fixed line (FTTP) and 7% fixed wireless and/or satellite. So all you are saying is that 7% in regional areas may be increasing to 8% getting wireless and/or satellite. So what? The same thing may have happened under Labor

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2018 5:01 pm

    My comment was prompted by news that we have reached 25mill people a couple of decades earlier than expected.

    And my comments were to highlight the lack of infrastructure etc in regions and cities because the Federal Government sits on its arse calling for review after paper after consultation on every issue under the sun (something they deny as being the main answer to Australia’s civic problems) … the LNP governments are owned by banks and big business and the profit god who they choose to serve rather than the people who actually own the fkn country!

    Shifting immigrants to the regions might relieve your angst (frightened to go out at night are we?) but it will exacerbate many regions already doing it tough because of a lack of facilities and support for their communities … add that to a massive drought in NSW and QLD and you have a major headache …

    Oddly enough the real answer is somewhere in between our comments … massively increase employment opportunities outside the cities and employ immigrant families to work on them … it worked in the 150/60’s …

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2018 5:10 pm

    1950/60’s

  325. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2018 5:13 pm

    I’m not proposing that we ask people to live in Crapperville.

    Geelong, Newcastle, Albury etc are well supported for services.

  326. Cancel`it`now`Teabag permalink
    August 8, 2018 5:20 pm

    Chortle Time!! While at work last week, elderly pensioner mother went to see her Quack. During quack visit, the computerized govt pushed health records was raised, mum wanted to NOT be in it, don”t trust the govt. The quack replied ‘neither do l’ ,, ‘l`m not going in it’ ,, ‘and l am meeting with all my referring quacks on the subject’ ,, ‘not at all comfortable with patients dumped in automatically’. Quack will contact mum in next few days. (lt sounds like there is groups of quacks that may be going to try and opt-OUT their own patients by default, until they get patient permission or request.)

    zzzzzzz

    I notice upthread at Aug3 some viewers are losing faith in their Legacy outlets. @chuckle

  327. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2018 5:45 pm

    nil you dimwit as all those links confirm the libs have at least doubled the load the satellite takes and a load they were not designed for. That is why the regions have such poor internet and it is the direct result of liberal policies

  328. Cancel`it`now`Teabag permalink
    August 8, 2018 6:10 pm

    for “access to jobs and services, Broadmeadows or Cabramatta would be streaks ahead ” @mostly.Correct @junkJobs??

    Places like ‘geelong’ won’t be determinable for a while folks. The ‘wreckage’ won`t be totaled for a couple of years after collapse of auto ‘and’ shipyards (canoes in cherbourge) ‘and’ connected manufacturers. From what l`ve seen, the larger rural centers will probably grow as young and poorer citizens will possibly relocate due to capital city unreachable home prices. The smaller rural places will mostly remain the wastelands their own farmers created during late 1980’s as they are now fully captured by the backpacker and visa slave labor market and have nothing to offer most Aussies. (some coastal ‘tourism’ and ‘seasonal’ industry areas suffer similar for ‘same’ reasons) Remember teabags, junkjobs don’t buy homes, and service poverty aint much of a sales pitch.

  329. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 6:18 pm

    I didn’t get that from your links. What i have seen is that people will not be getting 100mbps speeds on the fixed wireless network for regional areas because of the cost

  330. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2018 6:50 pm

    Geelong, Newcastle, Albury etc are well supported for services.

    You know this how?

    BTW I have lived in the outer suburbs of Brisbane for most of my life … my Mum was smart – she decided we would emigrate … she decided on the outer suburbs near the sea … where I live now I can see the ships sailing through the treetops … can’t actually see water!

    And further my family had to have a sponsor or a job, we had to live here for two years or pay to return and the for the trip out (12 men to a cabin – six women) … my dad looked for work on my pushbike with an apple for lunch and fourpence for a phone call (in case of emergencies) … and roads in the Brisbane suburbs in 1961 were mostly gravel …

    In fact the Pommies that turned up here in the sixties reckoned it was a decade behind the UK … but The Minister’s family from Nederland and my family from England knuckled down and we …

    The above is to explain where my arguments come from … we’ve been there done that …

    As for your inclusion of Albury above it’s an ADF town … my son and I both spent time training there … ADF generally means ——– facilities … and isn’t Newcastle struggling? AND I would suspect Geelong (car manufacturing – ZILCH) ?

  331. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2018 6:53 pm

    … people will not be getting 100mbps speeds on the fixed wireless network for regional areas because of the cost

    AND you can’t get that speed on wifi … only HFC or FttP …

    Leave the arena … your no longer breathing!

    Chuckle!

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2018 6:59 pm

    A quick disclaimer … in the 21st century I am a firm believer that we should be setting up satellite towns and villages …

    Diversification is as important as building submarines and drones if the military security of Australia is so critical!!

    Try convincing Malfunction TurnAbbott that while they are wasting time trying to Kill Bill …

  333. Cut`The`Crap`Teabag permalink
    August 8, 2018 7:33 pm

    What “ i have seen is that people ” from youngteabag(org) or ipateabag(org) or very, very similar teabaglike(org) continue to turnip to spout physicsfree nonsense on behalf of the teabags obsolete wireCo system. What a surprise the market does not want to pay or use obsolete telegraph wires. What a surprise it is that ITbiz won’t relocate or invest in a country where their workforce cannot work from home, or serve their biz to the world from any location at global best practice. What a surprise it will be in a few short years to discover the AussieIT brain drain; as fresh trained ITnerds are based in Alberta, siliconValley and Auckland. Damn that kiwiFiber.

  334. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 8:22 pm

    TB

    There are lots of links saying Morrow canned Fixed wireless 100mbps speeds in regional areas because of the cost

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-25/nbn-boss-dumps-top-speed-for-fixed-wireless-customers/9797772

    NBN Co on Thursday night announced it had dumped plans to provide 100 megabit per second (mbps) speeds on its fixed wireless network.

    “We killed it,” NBN boss Bill Morrow told a Senate Estimates committee.

    Fixed wireless uses mobile phone technology to provide broadband to properties in regional areas.

    Mr Morrow said consistently achieving 100mbps would cost “billions and billions of dollars” — a taxpayer spend he described as “outrageous”.

  335. Cut`The`Crap`Teabag permalink
    August 8, 2018 10:06 pm

    No matter how hard youngTeabag(org) members polish the teabags obsolete WireCo turd; it will always remain an obsolete system that gives all of wireCo`s competitors in the market a massive advantage. Suck it up princess!!

  336. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2018 10:20 pm

    Deadbeat

    WE have been talking about the NBN for regional areas which the Coalition has made no changes. REgional Australia is getting fixed wireless and/or satellite

  337. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2018 10:54 pm

    No African gangs in Melbourne. None at all. #Taylorstreetleftieidiots

  338. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2018 11:23 pm

    My mistake Taylor’s Hill
    No probs there
    Ok

  339. August 9, 2018 12:11 am

    (REgional Australia is getting fixed wireless and/or satellite

    Correct. The fixed has been fixed, and the wireless has been fixed, and the fixed wireless has been fixed, and the relatively-low actual-uptake of the fixed fixed fixed wireless vis-a-vis (potential/claimed) ‘connections to the network’ has fixed the fixed fixed fixed wireless so well that Bill Morrow is blaming existing ‘(super)users’ for NBMTMNCo’s demonstrated fixed wireless successes, and, further, is spontaneously presenting a strong, very strong business case, for a nation-building utility, one which originally included fulfilling the purpose(s) of national and (inter-)regional network(s) (com)parity(ies), for no (outrageous) changes to no changes, other than the almost inconsiderable, outrage-ous no-changes already wrought. Then there’s the wholesale sell-off of scarce-but-somehow-spare Sky Muster bandwidth to fly-by-night operatives, like QANTAS, instead of meeting remote and regional demand on-the-ground, as envisaged and designed, and further diversion(s) of that now-underprovisioned Sky Muster bandwidth to urban and peri-urban users within what used to be the fixed fixed network footprint which NBMTMCo has just no-change(s)-bypassed, for no doubt also very good (ac)claimed-(pseudo-)connectivity and user-experience reasons.)

  340. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2018 5:58 am

    Apart from the numerous changes made, there have been NO (more) changes made!

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2018 6:34 am

    I have heard of problems with the fixed wireless network for regional areas

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbn-chief-blames-online-gamers-for-fixed-wireless-congestion-offers-solution/news-story/24fa0c337b628e5d78fab22ade5a02b6

    THE National Broadband Network is evaluating how to fix wireless congestion problems after discovering what it believes is the cause of the problem.

    At a parliamentary hearing in Sydney on Monday, NBN chief executive Bill Morrow blamed those pesky online gamers for being the major cause of congestion on the network.

    “While people are gaming it is a high bandwidth requirement that is a steady streaming process,” Mr Morrow told the committee, reports ABC.

    “This is where you can do things, to where you can traffic shape — where you say, ‘no, no, no, we can only offer you service when you’re not impacting somebody else’.”

    As part of a fix for the problem, Mr Morrow said the NBN would consider introducing a fair use policy similar to the one that already applies to satellite users that limits peak-hour data usage of individual customers to no more than 75 gigabytes in any four week period…….A spokesman for Communications Minister Mitch Fifield put the onus back on Labor.

    “If we had stuck to Labor’s planned fixed wireless and satellite coverage, at least 200,000 homes and farms would have found themselves without any service at all,” the spokesman said.

    “NBN is taking steps to upgrade and augment the group of towers experiencing congestion, and is prudently planning to manage future demand so that fixed wireless users can make the most of the available network capacity.”

  342. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2018 8:39 am

    No Restaurant will escape unharmed

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/riot-squad-called-gang-youths-throw-rocks-police-220152049.html

  343. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2018 10:52 am

    TomR

    I guess there were some changes. Fixed wireless was planned to give speeds of 100mbps for regional areas. Upon reflection they find it would cost billions and billions and billions of dollars for perhaps 600,000 people so that policy was canned.

  344. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2018 11:12 am

    I guess there were some changes.

    NoShitSherlock

    and this cluster**** is now costing more than Labors initial “Rolls Royce” solution (and we’ve explained to you before why)

  345. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2018 11:21 am

    Turnbull has made no major changes for the rollout of the NBN to rural areas. Fixed wireless giving speeds of 100mbps was found to be ultraexpensive. So that policy was canned. You obviously are too stupid to understand that.

    And Labors fixed line FTTP rollout would never be finished and bankrupt the country

  346. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2018 11:39 am

    yawn

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2018 2:11 pm

    FFS! Turn it off someone …

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2018 2:16 pm

    AGL $1.6 BILLION PROFIT … can you see a link here between higher electricity prices?

    Just for the record … an essential service should never be a profit centre!! Never!

    If the state governments operated power supply as a service guess where the $1.6 BILLION would be going?

    JFC! It’s not even economics 101 …

  349. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2018 2:49 pm

    “AGL $1.6 BILLION PROFIT … can you see a link here between higher electricity prices?

    Yes i can. Renewable energy with govt subsidies is very profitable

    But like TomR you are too stupid to see that

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2018 7:20 pm

    But like TomR you are too stupid to see that

    COAL is subsidised!

    What PLANET are you from?

    Grade 3 education?

    Only stupid people call other people stupid!

    How much is you’re quarterly power bill? Mine is – $200

    How fast is you’re NBN … mine is 94 mbps …

    Stupid? Call me stupid but never think I am! At your peril … LOL!

  351. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2018 7:56 pm

    Stupid? Of course you are. AGL just loves govt subsidies for renewable energy.

    Stupid? Maybe? Traitors to Australia is more correct.

  352. Walrus permalink
    August 9, 2018 10:02 pm

    “COAL is subsidised!………”

    So is every other mineral or agricultural product by a diesel rebate or am I missing something ?

    Otherwise no not really and certainly not to the extent of your big fans .

  353. August 9, 2018 10:47 pm

    (….or am I missing something ?

    Tim Flannery blathering on about the statistical probability of longer. more-intense, and more-widespread droughts over the medium-term? Malcolm tossing accounting-units around like externality-chaff? A no-not-really tethered to some sort of a really-real-reality?)

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2018 11:06 pm

    Otherwise no not really and certainly not to the extent of your big fans .

    Yep … here’s one — railways are built by taxpayers exclusively for coal companies …

  355. Its`In`Uranus`Teabag permalink
    August 9, 2018 11:07 pm

    Intergalactically speaking, (on)grid subsidized, politicized, privatized energy generation scheme/s tend to get more expensive as more and more (in)vested interests gain more and more influence and control of those generation scheme/s; until of course the personal and business (end)user makes purchase of their own (off)grid (base)load (re)newable and storage (off)grid (base)load system of their own. The (off)grid (end)users will never be asking the (on)grid subsidized, politicized, privatized electricity influencer’s “What planet are you from?” as it is obvious it is the planet of the primates and telegraph wires. Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! The (off)grid (end)users will really only opine to where the influencer’s will end up storing their stranded assets!

  356. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2018 9:03 am

    http://joannenova.com.au/2018/08/lets-close-coal-so-agl-triples-its-profits/

    Last year AGL made $539 million net profit. This year, $1,600 million. What’s not to like about closing Hazelwood?

    Profit statements confirm what we’ve said — closing cheap coal boosts profits for generators. No wonder AGL won’t sell Liddell for a hundred million dollars. It also shows us that the big “bubble” in electricity prices is from the doubling of wholesale electricity costs. These corporates are reaping it in far above costs. The way to cut wholesale prices is to get rid of the RET, and fix our old coal.

  357. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2018 9:04 am

    bloody free loaders! (literally)

    There is no doubt that Australian taxpayers have spent tens of billions of dollars building the railway lines, coal loaders and other infrastructure for the coal industry.

    https://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/adani-and-the-end-of-subsidy-denial-20170529-gwfbrq

  358. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2018 9:11 am

    Profit statements confirm what we’ve said

    that privatising essential services is stoopid?

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2018 10:37 am

    that privatising essential services is stooped

    Absofknlutely!

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2018 10:45 am

    The point regarding a $1.6 billion profit to a company means that money is skimmed from public coffers and not into improving the power systems.

    Its actually $1.6 billion wasted … that could be used to improve service …

  361. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2018 10:52 am

    Privatising essential services is stupid?. TomR why be so deceitful? SA has high electricity prices because they do not want coal. In fact Playford was blown up costing the jobs of hundreds of people at Playford and the Leigh Creek coal mine supplying the coal

    SA Labor then found themselves in trouble so they leased diesel generators for $100M and announced the construction of a gas fired power plant.

    What has privatisation got to do with that?

  362. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2018 11:20 am

    What has privatisation got to do with that?</i.

    Could it be because a private company blew Playford up?

  363. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2018 11:23 am

    No. SA Labor chased out coal. Deceitful must be your middle name. Then Labor found themselves in trouble so leased diesel generators for $100M as a backup. That cost is added to everyones power bills.

    What has privatisation got to do with labor not wanting to use coal?

  364. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2018 11:38 am

    It got pushed out because solar and wind were cheaper than coal. It couldn’t compete

  365. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2018 12:41 pm

    Garbage. Subsidies make renewables cheaper. Why do you think AGL tripled its profit?

  366. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2018 1:22 pm

    Subsidies make renewables cheaper

    You mean like the way the coal fired stations were subsidised when they were built?

    Why do you think AGL tripled its profit?

    have you checked your bill lately?

  367. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2018 1:56 pm

    How were coal fired power stations subsidised?

  368. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2018 2:11 pm

    I appears that li’l alice might be in a fair bit of strife.

  369. Walrus permalink
    August 10, 2018 3:40 pm

    “”……….railways are built by taxpayers exclusively for coal companies”

    And the taxpayers are repaid via royalties.

    NOTE FROM TB’s SCHOOL TEACHER
    TB tends to day dream alot of fictitious robber barons. He really needs to try harder

  370. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2018 3:44 pm

    And the taxpayers are repaid via royalties.

    In the same way that taxpayers will be repaid by cheaper power prices, which only renewables can provide

    Nice to see after all these years you finally accept the fact of subsidies for coal

  371. No`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 10, 2018 4:29 pm

    You can blubber all you want. lt won`t stop the rest of us enjoying watching the teabags (both inHouse and in clowntown) tying themselves into pretzels trying to explain away the continual growing list of teabag gluttony and stupidity based failures. You still haven`t worked out we are most likely in, or on the edge of stagflation, and it will only take a couple of percent interest rise to set the homeloan and credit card system into panic. l just wonder how much more that would scale back shareholder equity in the AMP and the big4.

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2018 7:11 pm

    NOTE FROM TB’s SCHOOL TEACHER
    TB tends to day dream alot of fictitious robber barons. He really needs to try harder

    NOTE TO TB’S “BS TEACHER”*

    Do some research … or simply watch the Royal Commission on Banking & Financial Services (sic oxymoron) …

    ROBBER BARONS are alive and feeling a bit of heat lately …

    The BANKS are nothing but 21st Century Robber Barons … the … Royal Commission on the Energy Supply Industry … will be even more interesting … the sooner the better … it too will reveal ROBBER BARONS … humans never change – just the technology and weapons …

    (*Note: this is the self proclaimed “teacher”* who whinges about people putting solar sytems on their homes … *who knows all about accounting – but NOT economics …

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Oops! Watch the slip-up … Nice to see after all these years you finally accept the fact of subsidies for coal … gets ’em everytime

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    And teabagz is more national in-tune with finance than Wally the CPA!

    <<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Wait for Metalstorm … BTW I’m seriously looking at Graphene at the moment!

  373. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2018 7:41 pm

    “Nice to see after all these years you finally accept the fact of subsidies for coal”

    But do the coal fired power stations get subsidies? I would think the major costs would be salaries and wages followed by building the power station and maintenance. I would think coal is a minor cost.

  374. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2018 8:27 pm

    But do the coal fired power stations get subsidies?

    “When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
    Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
    Till I get to the bottom and I see you again”

  375. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2018 8:32 pm

    What? Do coal fired power stations get subsidies like wind and solar get?

  376. Helter`Skelter`Teabag permalink
    August 11, 2018 12:15 am

    Yes the graphene 2D semi conductor stuff does look interesting. l have also been watching the semi conductor future ‘upgrade’ tech too, along with battery tech, renews, solar cell tech and hydrogen tech of petros zogrof. Have you noticed the teabags raise the topic of nukiePower from time to time? Talk about arsebackward. Sooner or later one/some of these new techs will take off and punch thru price barriers and the teabagPanic will set in over stranded assets. Cheered till the end by fools.

  377. Walrus permalink
    August 11, 2018 12:16 am

    “n the same way that taxpayers will be repaid by cheaper power prices, which only renewables can provide…..”

    You must be profoundly stupid if you actually believe that.

    And by the way don’t verbal me about you fiction on coal subsidies. Ever heard about haulage. Ok

    Ignorant greenies like you have no idea

  378. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2018 10:43 am

    Come on somebody tell me what subsidies coal fired power stations get? My understanding of business is that the major cost for any business is salaries and wages. Then you have the cost of building the power station and then maintenance and upkeep. I would think coal would be a minor cost for a power station.

    In contrast renewables are given hundreds of millions in subsidies. That is why AGL is getting out of coal and into renewables. Just follow the money. It is strange listening to radio 2GB where the Coalition supporters hate AGL and say they are taking their business elsewhere and Labor supporters are in favor of big business AGL

  379. August 11, 2018 11:18 am

    (Oh, the monkeys-in-business-suits seem to have a somewhat piquedawareness of a (macro/micro)grid(s)-of-(micro/macro)grid(s)-future (un)like the past, or a present-ed business-as-(un)usual scenario, perhaps. Still, ‘Cheered till the end by fools’ v. ‘Ignorant greenies like you have no idea’: whose barrow-load to buy/bye?)

  380. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2018 1:26 pm

    I’ve bought a couple of these, particularly for my daughter – just in case HD happens to be popping in (interesting technology) –

  381. Russia`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    August 11, 2018 8:10 pm

    verbal me “ about you fiction on coal “ and utility(s) professed as ‘markets’
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

    Ignorant coalies “ like you have no idea ” how fraudulent markets piss away treasury wealth even when ‘working-examples’ already exist.

    Have we “ Ever heard about haulage. ” Yes ‘we’ have. The national cost per year for all quantities of wind haulage is $zero and sunray haulage is $zero and will remain so for the foreseeable future, way beyond the life of the current boardroom.

  382. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2018 10:15 am

    wind haulage is $zero and sunray haulage is $zero

    Classic! Chuckle!

  383. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2018 10:17 am

    ToM, saw a segment on TV re Sharkbanz … looks promising … might get rid of the shark nets too …

    Didn’t realise they were on the market already … may I enquire cost?

  384. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 12, 2018 11:19 am

    Hi TB, they’re about $100 and is most effective on bull sharks.
    (eventually technology will come up with more effective solutions, and until then a serious culling is fine with me!)

  385. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2018 12:50 pm

    “The national cost per year for all quantities of wind haulage is $zero and sunray haulage is $zero”

    But are far as i know coal fired power stations do not get any subsidies unlike wind and solar. That is why AGL wants to get out of coal. Just follow the money

  386. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2018 2:00 pm

    Thanks, ToM, sounds lik cheap insurance …

    BTW … … a serious culling is fine with me! … you do realise that its not always about you! 🙂

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2018 2:03 pm

    That is why AGL wants to get out of coal. Just follow the money

    I think AGL has already found the pot o’ gold … at the end of your rainbow …

  388. No`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 12, 2018 6:40 pm

    Squirt all you want dummy. While you and teamCheerer and your teams believe the ‘race’ is between a ‘fossil-grid’ and a ‘renew-grid’; agl has woken up to the fact that the REAL race is between OFFgrid baseload/ storage and keeping users ONgrid. That is why liddell is slated for demolition and the site converted to a ‘hydro’ and ‘renew’ complex (probably solar) and won`t be selling liddell to appease unhinged prime meddlers or zombie followers.

  389. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2018 8:27 pm

    AGL knows where the money is. Subsidised renewable energy which unsubsidised coal fired power stations cannot compete with

  390. No`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 12, 2018 10:33 pm

    If you choose not to look hard enough you will never find any taxpayerfunded coalports or taxpayerfunded coalrail or taxpayerfunded taxloopholes or taxpayerfunded roads being damaged by coaltrucking or taxpayerfunded political system to gift them all these taxpayerfunded goodies.

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2018 10:42 pm

    What has that to do with coal fired power stations? The major cost of any business is salaries and wages, maintenance etc. Building the coal fired power station would also be expensive. If they get slightly cheaper coal because the coal mine gets subsidies so what?

  392. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2018 9:01 am

    Whilst the Usual Subsidyspects perform some form of depraved death struggle with the existentialism or otherwise of or not of fossil subsistence on the taxpayer, I thought I’d repost this from the vaults of the metafiles

    Summary of results for financial year ended 30 June 2018

    Statutory Profit after tax: $1,587 million, up 194 percent

  393. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2018 12:07 pm

    TomR

    What R U raving on about? Whatever subsidies coal mines may get the govt gets more back in royalties and other taxes otherwise they would not give the subsidies in the first place.

    But what subsidies does a coal fired power station get? In contrast renewables get hundreds of millions in subsidies

  394. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2018 1:18 pm

    But what subsidies does a coal fired power station get?

    Apart from the ones already highlighted?

    Hard to Tell

  395. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2018 2:53 pm

    Even if true so what? Coal is our second biggest export generating billions of dollars in export income and the govt would get back more than they put in from royalties and taxes.

    The coal fired power station may get slightly cheaper coal because of the subsidies but for any business by far the major cost is salaries and wages followed by maintenance and building costs

  396. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2018 3:24 pm

    and the govt would get back more than they put in from royalties and taxes.

    Tell it to the Automotive Industry

  397. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2018 6:09 pm

    Car industry left because nobody wanted to buy aussie made cars.

    But NSW got $1.6B in royalties last year from coal mining and Australia wide it was $5B. Coal mining companies also paid income tax, company tax on profits, payroll tax etc etc etc. And i don’t think coal fired power stations got a cent from the govt

    Solar and wind infrastructure has to be imported since we don’t make it here and would not survive without subsidies

  398. Russia`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    August 13, 2018 7:59 pm

    Your team of dumbfcuks insisted we ‘miss the jobs boat’ in their abdication at kyoto and renew obstruction since and long term destruction of manufacturing development. Now we can merely wait for battery(s) from chindia or tesla to fall low enough for the masses to afford’em. Sooner or later the ‘grid’ is smoked. Coal or otherwise. Subsidy or not.

  399. Russia`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    August 13, 2018 9:09 pm

    Hey TC, l think your ‘reneweconomy’ link is bullshitting on the ‘new-house’ connected to gas. lt only applies to them if GAS appliance/s is stipulated in the build (like-jonestown). There is no way consumers (or-developers) want to give work and pay to gasfitters (or any other tradie) if they don’t have to. (note, all ‘Lots’ do have a connection point a couple of feet inside the consumers fenceline when the mains goes thru, but there is no Billing involved.) The reneweconomy site is being dishonest ‘implying’ that consumers with a NO-Gas home will be paying gas bills.

  400. Grow`some`Nads`Teabag permalink
    August 13, 2018 10:35 pm

    Be a big boy. You tell us.

  401. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2018 8:46 am

    So… is Barnaby Joyce right or wrong on this??

    What, that unfounded allegations detrimental to one person from another unsourced person with a political axe to grind shouldn’t be piblished? Is that what he said? Because I agree with that.

    Or that when runours of infidelity spread far and wide, the assembled throng should hide it’s assembled head in the ground until after a certain bi-election, and then only acknowledge it when the bump is about to explode?

    Here’s a hypothetical

    Allegations about a Labor woman proven to be wrong were published by our media

    Allegaitions about a conservative male proven to be correct were hidden from us.

    Do you see the pattern (and it IS a pattern, this is not in isolation)

  402. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2018 9:53 am

    I did like this from yomms link to poor widdle barny

    took aim at the Labor figures believed to have leaked details of the investigation

    So, in article where he (well, actually, his (current) missus) laments the crucifixion by media of Emma Husar, he openly blames people who are ‘believed’ to have done something.

    The hypocrisy/idiocy is just amazing

  403. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2018 2:43 pm

    So after reading the comments i conclude that coal fired power stations get no govt subsidies. No wonder AGL wants to get out of coal

  404. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2018 2:50 pm

    Melbourne is no longer the world’s most liveable city!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/melbourne-loses-most-liveable-city-title-to-vienna/10117338

  405. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2018 3:13 pm

    i conclude

    The Oracle has Spoekens

    Melbourne is no longer the world’s most liveable city!

    #AfrikanGangs

    or just victorians?

  406. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2018 8:29 pm

    I see the CFMEU has been fined another half mill for their disregard for the law. Fines like that are just the cost of doing business. Apparently.

  407. Cooling`to`the`Node`Teabag permalink
    August 14, 2018 8:35 pm

    Just watched chaser dude ‘craig’ on my abc foreign corespondent; in Sweden checking out their trash-furnace (on)grid generators. Doesn`t look as good as the usual suspects try to tell us.

  408. No`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 14, 2018 11:17 pm

    and “ it IS a pattern, this is not in isolation ” as some viewer/s seem to be less and less satisfied with their Legacy outlets and what they keep “ hidden from us ” and what gets rapidly put on viewer/s screens. Who says viewers need facebook to receive FakeNews??

  409. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2018 11:26 pm

    “The Oracle has Spoekens”

    Well since nobody spoke up looks like I am right. Coal fired power stations get no govt subsidies. Now coal mines might. But State govts get $5B in royalties from coal mines so I don’t care what subsidies they get.

    But the Andrews ALP govt in Victoria tripled the royalties on brown coal making coal generated electricity more expensive which is one of the reasons Hazlewood closed.

    You lefties should be more honest. What you should be saying is that renewables are expensive. But CO2 will destroy the planet so we have to pay a higher cost for power to save the planet

  410. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2018 7:30 am

    Lol nils

    Cos noone talks to me I’m right

  411. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2018 9:16 am

    fer yomm of Cartourne

  412. Walrus permalink
    August 15, 2018 10:08 am

    “……………..so we have to pay a higher cost for power to save the planet””

    Yep every single Nation that has embraced renewablse has suffered from increased power prices and now they are building new coal fired power stations burning Australian coal.

    So all of those Nations are wrong and the Australian Left is right.

    ROFLMAO

  413. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2018 10:50 am

    “Yep every single Nation has suffered from increased power prices ”

    fixed it fer ya 😉

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/16/world-going-slow-coal-misinformation-distorting-facts

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2018 11:08 am

    So all of those Nations are wrong and the Australian Left is right.

    OR!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/these-games-have-got-to-stop-former-energy-exec-slams-power-price-gouging/news-story/9aeb16185bb4ff55e43f47970c4a213f

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2018 11:10 am

    ROFLMAO

    OR!

    FFOMAA

  416. Walrus permalink
    August 15, 2018 12:13 pm

    Nothing at all “fixed”

  417. Will`it`Float`Teabag permalink
    August 15, 2018 5:10 pm

    Both teams are in the FakeNews echo chamber when it comes to electricity ‘cost’ to (on)grid users. Take a look at the area(s) around the old ‘hazelwood’ coal burner; which has gone gangbuster putting (off)grid systems or (sell)back renew(solar) on their business and home property(s). Fossil or Renew; it makes no difference to (on)grid users ‘cost’ as abandonment is underway, and falling (grid)demand is also underway due to (self)supply. The west coast govt identified the falling westcoast(grid)demand due to (self)supply about five years ago; (l dropped a link) lt then took reportland about two years to tell east coasters of this; (not that l`m counting); (l dropped a link); it is not like legacy outlets play the public with weak team1-v-team2 (bad)choices FakeNews.

  418. No`it`Wont`Teabag permalink
    August 15, 2018 9:07 pm

    Australian “News Channel is embarking on a 50/50 joint venture with the Nine Network to create a 24-hour channel dedicated to business and personal finance news. The new platform, titled ‘Your Money’ will be broadcast on a Nine free-to-air channel and Foxtel, in addition to distributing content across various digital platforms. Australian News Channel is the parent company of Sky News and Sky News Business, and is wholly owned by News Corp Australia. Australian News Channel is embarking on a 50/50 joint venture with the Nine Network to create a 24-hour channel dedicated to business and personal finance news. The new platform, titled ‘Your Money’ will be broadcast on a Nine free-to-air channel and Foxtel, in addition to distributing content across various digital platforms. Australian News Channel is the parent company of Sky News and Sky News Business, and is wholly owned by News Corp Australia.

    @seems like just another pointless channel l will have to ‘skip’, just like those stupid ‘shopping’ channel/s.

  419. August 15, 2018 10:07 pm

    2x-Doh! https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5801313512001

    Don’t know how l managed to ‘double-paste’ above either. (-:

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2018 10:10 am

    ♦ Politicians actually do more harm to society than good

    ♦ Trickle Down Economics has one fatal flaw – it doesn’t work

  421. August 16, 2018 5:50 pm

    TrickleDown? Your pinkist-left echo chamber is only finding the most minor of outsaucing faults. “ About 12 bridges and overpasses have collapsed in Italy since 2004, killing seven people between them. In early 2015 a viaduct in Palermo collapsed within days of opening. Poor structural maintenance was identified as the cause in most of the cases. ” Full indoctrination proves without doubt that investment creates jobs and red-tape cutting increases productivity and safety.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/14/genoa-motorway-bridge-collapses-italy

    dotpoint A full update from YouKnowWho will be supplied in the near future when he returns from the Autostrade boardroom meeting.

  422. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2018 6:21 pm

    TrickleDown? Your pinkist-left echo chamber is only finding the most minor of outsaucing faults.

    You only need one!!

  423. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2018 6:25 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/16/construction-union-and-act-branch-secretary-charged-with-criminal-cartel-conduct

    More Liberal bullshit! How can a union be involved in cartel activity!

  424. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 16, 2018 8:09 pm

    Did you actually bother to read the article TB? THe CFMUE (allegedly) “encouraged” several companies to act as a cartel.

  425. Suck`it`up`Teabag permalink
    August 16, 2018 8:58 pm

    Yeah, read it. lts teabag bullshit. Made for suckers like you princess.

  426. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 16, 2018 9:05 pm

    Yep, Katter’s band of racist nutcases are supported by the ETU and CFMEU.

    Those unions really show outstanding political judgement , and ethics!

  427. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 7:42 am

    If this goes ahead the Award system will be considered ‘Cartel’ behaviour

  428. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 8:44 am

    lols, the CFMMEU is getting dragged through the courts, AGAIN, on trumped up bullshit, yet they must make a stand IMMEDIATELY against some racist dickhead. On the say so of another racist dickhead no less.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/almost-certifiable-bob-katter-pays-political-price-for-backing-fraser-anning-s-final-solution-speech-20180816-p4zxun.html

    Here’s a thought ensch, concentrate more on your own dog whistling brethren, and leave the CFMMEU spend Union membership money defending itself against your own Nazi inspired laws

  429. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 8:56 am

    How unbelievable is this, the liberal grubmint is creating the 2nd largest system of protected marine habitats in the world. That sounds AMAZING

  430. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 8:59 am

    Oh, the are creating the second largest from what USED to be the LARGEST

    Is it just me, or does this grubmint have a LOT in common with Nazis? First, the demononisation and outlawing of Unions, and then, the double speaking propaganda that Goebbels would have been proud of

  431. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2018 9:03 am

    No… the Victorian ETU has been a contributor to Katter for many years and a range of left leaning articles have been critical of this,

    The CFMEU now also contributes to Katter, and this is the representation they get for their money.

  432. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 9:11 am

    Up until now, Katter has been seen as just you’re average Queensland nutter.

    Yet ensch, who’s party for years has relied on his vote, is now demanding the CFMMEU drop everything (that’s probably more the reason) and make a statement

    Have the libs made a statement about not accepting their votes yet?

  433. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2018 9:29 am

    Katter has always been a nutcase – irrational, and a long term Nationals MP, as a range of articles pointed out when the ETU started to support him.

    But they coughed up their member’s cash for his election, so did the CFMEU – and this is the representation ETU and CFMEU members get for their money.

  434. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 9:38 am

    So, no cares about the libs accepting his vote, or their preferences?

  435. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2018 9:45 am

    So… CFMEU & ETU members cough up their money for decent representation… and they get racist nutcases.

    That’s a bit of a reflection on the judgement of the leadership of the unions

  436. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 9:50 am

    No, they cough up money to get better workplace conditions.

    Which only Unions can provide. And the CFMMEU and ETU are the best at providing that.

    So, any news on an actual political party making a statement about THEIR position yomm, or is it only Unions who must be at the beck and call of racist nazi politicians?

  437. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 9:51 am

    I understand that malcayman has a bad case of “Big Stick Energy”

  438. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2018 10:18 am

    No, they cough up money to get better workplace conditions.

    That’s probably what the union members think too, but some of the union income goes to racist nutcases.

  439. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 10:41 am

    Wow yomms off on a rampage today

    Welcome to Oztraya mate

  440. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2018 3:21 pm

  441. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2018 5:01 pm

    Did you actually bother to read the article TB? THe CFMUE (allegedly) “encouraged” several companies to act as a cartel.

    Did you actually read what you wrote? “Allegedly encouraged” … FFS!

  442. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2018 6:31 pm

    Earth is Sick

    ► World politics is operated by large, rich corporations, religious zealots and super rich individuals who manipulate egocentric politicians into quite happily waging war with other nations … with combatants from the ordinary folk

    ► The remaining 7 billion people just want to raise their children in a safe environment, with food on the table a roof over their heads and a decent education, jobs and adequate income …

  443. Fish`Nibble`Teabag permalink
    August 17, 2018 8:00 pm

    but “ some of the union income goes to racist nutcases ” Da-onions are private clubs. So What? Plenty of taxpayerfunded farmer welfare will “definitely” be going to racist nutcases.

    The legacy FakeNews outlets continue to play you like a fiddle. Even tho apra at the royalcomm basically said that the theft of super (from public) was mostly done by the amp, big4 and their brands and not cbus industrysuper. Unfortunately for you, the pond you bottomfeed in; is continually shrinking.

  444. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2018 2:20 pm

    I see the CFMEU is encouraging support for the NEG. ETU & AWU are against it.

  445. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2018 2:31 pm

    “Oh, the are creating the second largest from what USED to be the LARGEST
    Is it just me, or does this grubmint have a LOT in common with Nazis? First, the demononisation and outlawing of Unions, and then, the double speaking propaganda that Goebbels would have been proud of”

    I think it is labor doing the spinning. The marine park network was a creation of the Howard govt. My understanding is that there have been no marine parks created since 2007.

    In 2012 Gillard proposed increasing the size of Howards marine parks, drafted some legislation but never presented it to parliament. So the marine parks Tony Burke is referring to do not exist

    I would not trust a single thing Tony Burke says

  446. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2018 7:24 pm

    I would not trust a single thing Tony Burke says

    And you are THE political expert! Spin Boy!

  447. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2018 8:52 pm

    How do you think is right on the NEG TB and Tom R ? CFMEU or ETU & AWU?

  448. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2018 7:04 pm

    TomR

    Your twitter posts about the marine park network is a good example of the deceit of the ALP.

    John Howard created our marine park network and there have been no new marine parks created since 2007. In 2012 labor proposed to triple the size of Howards marine parks, drafted some legislation but never put it to Parliament for a vote. So they don’t exist.

    But use your brains.Do you really think parliament would be voting to reduce the size of the marine parks if they were legislated in 2012? It would never get through Parliament.

  449. August 20, 2018 12:00 am

    How do you think “ is right on the NEG TB and Tom R ? “

    Under the plan, “ solar panels would be installed on 650,000 homes over 10 years. Premier Daniel Andrews said it would help thousands of households save up to $890 dollars a year on their power bills. “We were promised that privatisation would lead to lower prices, that simply hasn’t happened, every household can tell you that,” he said. “Now we have a plan for the future that’s practical, based on common sense that will happen.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-19/victorians-to-get-half-price-solar-panels-in-government-scheme/10137484

    The @neg is a dog princess.

  450. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 8:30 am

    “We were promised that privatisation would lead to lower prices, that simply hasn’t happened, every household can tell you that,”

    Just some more LIES by the most deceitful of all people, Daniel Andrews. Victoria Labor tripled the royalties on brown coal making coal generated electricity more expensive so Hazlewood up and left

  451. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 8:53 am

    Apparently Bill Shorten has Questions to answer over spuds maneuvering within the liberal party

    #youknowitmakessense

  452. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 9:20 am

    TomR

    Use your brains. If the marine parks were legislated by Labor in 2012 there is no way the Senate would be passing legislation to make them smaller. The 2012 ALP policy to triple the size of the Howard govt marine parks was just that- a proposal

    The only people imitation Goebbels is Tony Burke and the ALP

  453. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 9:54 am

    faark nil

    “The policy includes a commitment to reinstate Australia’s national network of marine parks, established by Labor in 2012 and suspended by the Abbott Government.

  454. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 10:00 am

    TomR

    The Coalition did not have the numbers to suspend anything. In 2012 Labor drafted some legislation to triple the size of the Howard govt marine parks. But it was never passed through Parliament so it never became law. They actually do not exist because they were never legislated. If it as legislated there is no way parliament would pass legislation to make them smaller.

    Tony Burke and the ALP can teach Goebbels a few things

  455. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 10:05 am

    yea, and the papers are lying about Labor establishing them and abbott suspending them too

    you idiot

  456. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 10:10 am

    TomR

    You really think there are numbers in the Senate to reduce the size of the marine parks allegedly created in 2012?

    They were never legislated in 2012. It was just a proposal which Labor never presented to Parliament for a vote. Tony BURKE is LYING

  457. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 10:19 am

    Tony BURKE is LYING

    Please, pinpoint the lie for us?

  458. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 10:52 am

    How the hell can Abbott suspend something which has passed through both houses of Parliament and become law? Labors 2012 policy to triple the size of the Howard govt marine parks was never passed by Parliament.

    Burke is LYING because Parliament agreed to nothing in 2012. It was just a proposal which was never made law.

    Tony Burke can teach Goebbels how to spin

  459. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 10:55 am

    Ever wondered about Govt spin? This is how the Australian Gov announced it had secured the largest removal of area under conservation in world history. Half of what parliament had agreed in 2012 as highly protected sanctuaries, now open to industrial fishing.\

    Pinpoint the lie?

    I don’t see where he ever said it was legislated

  460. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 11:01 am

    If it wasn’t legislated those protected areas do not exist. Does a national park exist if the govt proposes to create a National park. Or does the park come into existence when the legislation is passed?

    The govt in power can propose lots of things but they don’t become law until legislated. There have been no new marine parks created since 2007

  461. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 11:11 am

    It didn’t need to be legislated for them to be in operation

    In 2012, the then-Gillard government expanded the network of marine reserves but they were suspended from operation under then-prime minister Tony Abbott, who ordered an independent review.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-17/australian-marine-parks-criticism-of-new-conservation-plan/8944594

  462. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 11:23 am

    How the hell can Abbott suspend anything if they were legislated by Parliament? The legislation was hanging around parliament like a bad smell and was never voted on. Abbott then dropped the legislation when the Coalition won govt. The parks do not exist because they never were made law by Parliament

    The media is spinning what the ALP did which was nothing.

  463. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 11:37 am

    How the hell can Abbott suspend anything if they were legislated by Parliament?

    Ask all those media reports to explain it for you.

  464. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2018 11:46 am

    How the pendulum swings … and the worms squirm …

    Mr Turnbull’s case will not be helped by a horror Fairfax/Ipsos poll released overnight, which showed support for the government plunging.

    In its worst result since early last year and it would result in the government losing more than 20 seats at a general election.

    According to the poll, the Coalition’s primary vote has dropped from 39 to 33 in just one month, and Labor now leads 55-45 on the two-party preferred measure.

    Mr Turnbull’s support as preferred prime minister dived from 57 to 48, with Bill Shorten’s rating improving by six points to 36 per cent.

    “Polls like this are disasters. People do not like governments that fight among themselves, and polls like this lead to infighting, which leads to more bad polls. It is a downward spiral and it is very difficult to get out of it,” Seven’s political editor Mark Riley said this morning.

    Riley said he does not believe Mr Dutton has the numbers to overthrow Mr Turnbull, and suggested the “real game here” was an effort to damage the Prime Minister before the election and pave the way for “the return of Tony Abbott after an election defeat next year”.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/peter-dutton-looms-malcolm-turnbull-support-drops-poll/news-story/b6de9c6a9ab9af3e76a63793382ed258

    Thanks Christ for that!

  465. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 12:46 pm

    TomR

    The media is wrong. The fact that Abbott suspended the legislation means it was never presented to Parliament. It was just hanging around like a bad smell. I heard that the area to be legislated was too big and simple things would be impossible like a father teaching his son how to fish so Labor never presented the legislation to Parliament

    If parliament proposes the Pacific Ocean be a sanctuary does it mean anything?

  466. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 1:00 pm

    yea nil, everyones a liar but you

  467. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 1:11 pm

    Now we are getting somewhere. Abbott can not suspend legislation if it was passed by Parliament. Abbott suspended the legislation because it was never presented to Parliament

  468. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2018 1:27 pm

    Funny … I just looked at Neel’s gravatar … someone has tried to shut him up before! :0

  469. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 1:30 pm

    OK from your link. Is this what you are saying Labor did in 2012 re marine parks?

    “This is law made by the executive government, by ministers and other executive office-holders, without parliamentary enactment”

  470. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 2:04 pm

    trying

    very trying

  471. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 2:05 pm

    and suggested the “real game here” was an effort to damage the Prime Minister before the election

    hmm, I thought malcayman was doing that well enough all by hisself?

  472. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 3:32 pm

    “trying
    very trying”

    Are you referring to me?

  473. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 4:24 pm

    I would probably need https://theguttertrash.com/2018/07/03/conclusions/#comment-146785 to explain it to you, as I appear unable to get through.

    btw, have you apologised to Tony Burke yet? 😉

  474. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2018 4:32 pm

    I’m quite tired of factionalism in politics. I’d prefer just to have the major parties split, and then figure out which smaller one most closely reflected my values.

    If Dutton were to lead the Libs, or Abbott, I think they’d come last on my ballot paper

  475. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2018 4:36 pm

    lolz, I followed this back up from one of nils rants

  476. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 5:32 pm

    “It was passed using the same legal instruments that the government has used this time. ”

    OK what the hell does that mean? Dot mentioned it is possible for Cabinet to make an executive decision without Parliament voting. Is that what Burke is talking about?

    Burke said this

  477. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2018 5:34 pm

    Burke said this

    “Half of what parliament had agreed in 2012 as highly protected sanctuaries”

    What does that mean? If Cabinet made an executive decision Parliament agreed to nothing

  478. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2018 5:41 pm

    If Dutton were to lead the Libs, or Abbott, I think they’d come last on my ballot paper

    Not everyone agrees, ToM (I do BTW) …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/queensland-mps-urged-to-rebel-against-malcolm-turnbull/news-story/d7b5e18b1186a58a14a20bc21aeb1b41

    Oddly enough … this not on the headline page of news.com.au …

  479. August 20, 2018 5:53 pm

    Don’t get overStimulated by recent ‘excita-pole’ as it is still the biggest ask for team stooten to hammer throw blib over the line. Take a look at the ‘neg’; it is a dud for all the reasons da-gweenz say it is. Yet team stooten have been saying the wrong thing (yet-again) me too-ing; teabag-lite-ing and serving i’m-a-strong leader’s wishes. A smarter team would just stand with the physics and facts as da-gweenz have, and declare the zombies neg the dud it is; and land on the correct side of history for once. The added bonus-for no-effort is letting the zombies maul each other.

  480. August 20, 2018 6:57 pm

    Shut your eyes tighter kneel while you enjoy our MidWinter stateWide drought, total fireBan and bushFires with lots of carbon released; to eventually wreck reef/s and mangrove/s nursery/s for baby fish with oceanAcid. No peeking now; l don`t want you to see your teams ownGoals. l want to surprise you. We won`t bother counting the chunk of canoeland or half of bananaland or half of boltsland enjoyng the same benefits as jonesland. Just relax and think cool thoughts of rupertWire.

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