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Turnbull’s Legacy will be sweet FA.

August 21, 2018

Jewellery Bishop arrives at Canberra disguised as Catwoman

It’s business as usual over at the LNP government and any talk of a leadership coup is pure speculation and practically non-existent.  

That’s the message senior pollies at the Liberal Party would like us to believe if Scott Morrison’s performance on ABC’s 7:30 show is anything to go by who rejected claims of an all-out assault on Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership saying that “no one has called me about it.”

Josh Frydenberg has also thrown his support behind the PM as has Peter Dutton insisting that he won’t [personally] challenge Turnbull for the top job.

All three are considered leadership aspirants who would relish the opportunity to occupy the highest office in the land.

The not-so-silent assassin in all of this, former PM Tony “there will be no wrecking, back-grounding or sniping” Abbott is on a personal vendetta to destroy Malcolm Turnbull and backed with his conservative cronies – the likes of Kevin Andrews and Eric Abetz – they’re hell-bent on his success.

Whether or not Abbott is reinstated as leader of the Liberal Party is a moot point. The cabal will be happy if Peter Dutton is installed as he’ll basically do whatever they tell him anyway, and if recent history is anything to go by, Dutton isn’t afraid to take things even further to the far right; particularly in terms of national security and immigration, of which he has pretty much unfettered control and has already demonstrated his rabid right-wing credentials.

He’s pretty much the poster-boy for the right-wing nutter brigade.

Having abandoned every principle he once held, incumbent Prime Minister Turnbull’s leadership is in its final death throes and when the assassination is unleashed, as it most undoubtedly will, he’ll go down in history as one of Australia’s most ineffectual Prime Ministers.

A PM who dumped his passion for action on climate change, slapped the LGBT community in the face with his divisive plebiscite, and left us all with a less than third world internet service as his lasting legacy.

Thanks for nothing Talcum.

 

 

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  1. August 21, 2018 9:31 am

    Well that escalated quickly – Malcolm Turnbull has declared the leadership vacant.

  2. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2018 9:33 am

    To think that by the end of the day, we could have a potatoe as pm

    It could be worst, we could have the onion muncher back again 😦

    If it is the potatoe, how do you force the pm to the High Court to evaluate his S44(?) issues lol

    Why is there no popcorn in the shops?

  3. August 21, 2018 9:34 am

    Malcolm Turnbull won vote 48 to Peter Dutton 35.

    Onward to electoral oblivion they go.

  4. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2018 9:43 am

    Malcolm Turnbull has declared the leadership vacant.

    tbh, it has been for the past 5 or so years

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2018 10:46 am

    If over a third of the Libs think Dutton is leadership material, they’re truly rooted

  6. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 21, 2018 11:31 am

    reb

    I agree they will roll on to electoral oblivion. They have lurched so far to the right and if they think installing Dutton would save them, then sadly they will be even worse. If I was a moderate I would be in panic with Turnbull but in absolute desperation with Dutton. The swinging voters are hating the lurch to the right, the inequality, the wage rises for the bosses and nothing for the worker, the tax cuts for comapnies of which 80% will go to overseas investors and do nothing regarding job creation. While people are worried about their electricity bills, they also now that it is a result of privatisation of our electricity assets which has resulted in this greed and profit. How about they actually ask the voters why they are voting a particular way and not rely on business telling them and assuming why a person is voting a particular way.

  7. August 21, 2018 11:36 am

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  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 11:37 am

    “hey also now that it is a result of privatisation of our electricity assets which has resulted in this greed and profit. ”

    Garbage. But it is most probably what people believe. In SA Labor blew up Playford costing hundreds of jobs at Playford and the Leigh Creek coal mine supplying the coal. Then they had to lease diesel generators for $100M as a backup. And then had to build a new gas fired power station. Costs which increase electricity prices

    In Victoria labor tripled the royalties on brown coal and then Hazlewood closed. labor hates coal and it is the cheapest form of electricity generation

    Privatisation has nothing to do with rising electricity costs. It is ALL due to renewables

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2018 11:38 am

    I quote our guide, Aish, in Egypt in 1997:

    “Nothing changes, nothing is new”

    And I just heard on my car radio – “A couple of weeks Turnbull will be the longest serving PM in the last ten years” … chuckle …WTF is he serving?

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2018 11:44 am

    I suppose Dopey Dutton was being truthful when he said he had Turnbull’s back … just depends on the context (or the position of the knife!)

    Privatisation has nothing to do with rising electricity costs. It is ALL due to renewables

    Misses nowt this lad, hey? Sharp as a broom handle.

    Perhaps he meant:

    “Privatisation has nothing to do with rising electricity costs. It is ALL due to re-foolables”

  11. shaneinqld permalink
    August 21, 2018 11:50 am

    FFS Neil you are so blind . The retailers have increased the prices with AGL even stating it will take 20% proift minimum and put prices up to achieve this. WE have a daily availability charge that never existed before privatisation. It allows your bill to increase while the electricity price goes down. My kw price went down by 0.6c per kw while my daily availability charge increased by 1.815c which is more than 300% increase over the kw decrease. If it is not privatisation why is your mob getting ready to stare down and demand the private companies reduce prices or they will be broken up. By the way I will never respond to your comments on Guardian as you know and this is my final response to you here. You cannot comprehend anything other than what you want to absorb with you blind hatred and ideology. I have no doubt you must be related to Tony Abbott.

  12. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 11:57 am

    Shane

    You are the blind idiot. Why does SA have the highest electricity prices? Privatisation? There is nothing left to privatise re: coal in SA. Labor got rid of all the coal fired power stations in South Australia

  13. shaneinqld permalink
    August 21, 2018 12:01 pm

    TB

    Dutton has always had Abbotts back not Turnbulls. Duttons appointment and growing power was a peace offering to the extreme right. Turnbull is damaged and walking dead. He should have had the balls to stand up for his convictions but somehow he gave away his integrity to the right simply to remain a lame duck PM.

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 12:07 pm

    Also Queensland still has coal fired power stations but Labor wants to get rid of our cheapest from of electricity generation.

    But ALP in SA got rid of coal generated electricity so you what do you expect? Higher electricity prices. The ALP has never really cared about the poor

  15. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2018 12:11 pm

    In SA the libs privatised electricity years ago

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 12:20 pm

    So what? SA no longer has ANY coal fired power stations. Privatisation has nothing to do with the fact that SA has the highest electricity prices in Australia

    If QLD got rid of their coal fired power stations they would have much higher electricity prices as well. Privatisation has NOTHING to do with our increasing electricity prices. It is all due to labors war on coal

  17. shaneinqld permalink
    August 21, 2018 12:22 pm

    Tom R

    One of the major costs in our electrcicity bills is the daily supply charge. It never existed before privatisation. So if you look at the areas with expensive kwh prices their supply charge is cheaper whereas where the kwh cost is lower their supply charges are more expensive.

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 12:32 pm

    “One of the major costs in our electrcicity bills is the daily supply charge. It never existed before privatisation. ”

    Most probably never existed before State govts started pushing renewables down our throat. It was the solar energy rebates in NSW which caused a spike in electricity bills

    Privatisation? South Australia no longer has ANY coal fired power stations to privatise. After getting rid of them SA had to lease diesel generators for $100M. Costs just added to the bill. Hundreds of people lost their jobs, govt lost revenue from coal mine royalties and tax from coal station workers

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 12:48 pm

    Then why does SA have the highest electricity prices in the country? They have no coal fired generated electricity to gold plate.

    Give it a miss. You should be like Churchill. Just say CO2 will destroy the planet so we have to pay higher prices for renewables.no matter the hardship

    WE never had such price rises until govts started pushing renewables down our throats

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2018 12:57 pm

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/nz-surfers-shot-at-after-surfing-break-usually-accessed-by-invitation-20180821-p4zyoq.html

    Wellington: A bullet hit the water near a 14-year-old surfer at a surf break on New Zealand’s west coast which some surfers say is by invitation only.
    Police believe whoever fired three shots from the coast south of Kawhia took exception to three surfers “using their waters”.

    Very friendly in NZ!

  21. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2018 1:06 pm

    I see their abc is introducing us to the “real Peter Dutton”

    vomitous

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 2:45 pm

    One of the major costs in our electrcicity bills is the daily supply charge. It never existed before privatisation.

    Shane

    You are from Queensland and as far as I now Queensland did not privatise its coal fired power stations. Are you referring to other states or QLD or am I missing something?

  23. August 21, 2018 2:50 pm

    (WE never had such price rises until govts started pushing renewables down our throats

    Renewables like a statutory pseudo-market (as sales feature) to dole out ‘(un)reasonable RoR’ on ‘Capex’ as key determinant of price-setting in the ‘privatised’ distribution segment ? The kind of smarter, better, cheaper proposal, for wholesale generation and/or retail supply, which reportedly was the last/only (w)hole-of-LNP-supportable element of the NEG? Not that the RET, Million Solar Homes, Smart Cities and Smart Schools, 20 Million Trees, Green Army, ‘Biochar’, and etcetera inititatives of the pledged and guaranteed Direct Action Policy necessarily were (un)der)appreciated by some LNP supporters, even the DAP’s own authors?)

  24. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2018 3:44 pm

    or am I missing something?

    Perish the thought

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2018 4:02 pm

    … as far as I now (sic) Queensland did not privatise its coal fired power stations. Are you referring to other states or QLD or am I missing something?

    As usual you are missing a BIG something … selling off power stations brought a government down in Qld … Energex and Ergon are still the wholesalers (that’s what controls power pricing) …

    For Neels’ edification (for what good it will do!)

    https://www.business.qld.gov.au/industries/mining-energy-water/energy/electricity/queensland/generation

    But all is not what it seems in Qld … especially for our Sydley* flutterby …

    https://www.business.qld.gov.au/industries/mining-energy-water/energy/renewable/projects-queensland/renewables-400

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 4:56 pm

    Electricity prices started to go up when renewables were pushed by govt.

    Privatisation has nothing to do with price increases. Renewable energy will always be more expensive than coal. And they pollute as well. Solar panels require metals

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2018 6:02 pm

    Malfunction TurnAbbott just emailed me!!!

    Our job is to deliver for 25 million Australians.

    That means doing everything we can to ensure their taxes are lower, their energy bills are lower, that the economy is growing and they have a better chance of getting a job.

    It means ensuring we can invest more resources to spend on essential services like health and education and infrastructure.

    Unity is critical. We cannot allow the risk that Bill Shorten would come in with higher taxes on everyone.

    We’ve had record jobs growth and strong economic growth. We’ve reduced business taxes and personal taxes and spending on essential services is higher than ever.

    That’s what we must deliver, united.

    How fkn pathetic … what really annoys me is the patronising tone … and the assumption that I’m a fkn gullible peasant!

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2018 6:03 pm

    Neel pollutes too … boy, does it pollute!

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2018 6:52 pm

    HOHOHO!

    The PLOT gets ridiculous … why do I smell a push for an early election? From the Liberal fascist faction …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2018/aug/21/liberal-leadership-dutton-turnbull-energy

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2018 7:06 pm

    Dutton may be illegal!

    No cabinet … can’t govern …

    Maybe GG Cosgrove will dissolve parliament? Ah, no he’s a Liberal flunky!

    What a miserable fkn mess … and I thought the Labor Rudd – Gillard knifings were dumb …

    Is democracy dead?

    Capitalism is compromised … or seriously misunderstood if you read the ramblings from the Sydney Liberal Acolyte (you may know it as Neel) …

    I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

  31. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 7:17 pm

    “I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!”

    GREED is the reason vote Labor. People want this that and whatever from the govt free of charge. Don’t want to contribute anything and just take things from other people.

    I lost interest in the Coalition when they got rid of Abbott but whatever the problem the answer is not ALP/Greens

    ALP/Greens locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013. Only sickoes do that

  32. August 21, 2018 8:07 pm

    You’re fucked in the head Neil.

  33. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 8:13 pm

    Thanks.

    People vote labor because they want STUFF from the govt. People did not like Howard running surplus budgets and us being debt free. We now have a runaway debt truck which appears unstoppable

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2018 9:20 pm

    and left us all with a less than third world internet service as his lasting legacy.

    One of the few things Turnbull did I agree with. Nobody is arguing that fibre to the home is not wonderful. It is the cost. We would most probably be paying $400-$500/month for basic internet service. FTTP requires an underground conduit and most homes do not have one.

    People drive the cars they can afford not the car they like to drive otherwise I would be driving a Porsch.

    With copper you can get 100mbps but people are not even going for that speed with copper because of the cost. Fibre would be even worse

  35. Solar`Panels`Teabag permalink
    August 21, 2018 10:10 pm

    Actually his ‘Legacy’ is; talkbull is the only clown-in-town that managed to step on ‘every’ land-mine ‘he’ laid. l take it by this post the local homosexual-fanboy-club-of-talcum has not only closed its doors, but has demolished the building as well. (-: Don’t worry reb, there was a lot of qandaland leftists in the audience that swooned for talkbull as well.

    When it comes to ‘oblivion’ under talkbull or the dutton zombie, (or other zombie) l am less convinced (or blib cake walk) as l don`t think this will stop voter fragmentation to other (pauline, katter, cory) as a total. lf the zombies go dutton and save some bananaland furniture; it will just mean the fragmentation will go ape-shit in other state/s as far as l can tell. Not at all convinced zombie losses will transfer to stooten.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2018 10:20 pm

    GREED is the reason vote Labor

    I wonder how much tax you have actually paid …

    And how long you have actually worked …

    ‘Cause reading your shit for the last decade … I suspect you live in a little shack feeding off society … not your own labours!

    Unlike other people who comment here … years of paying taxes to help others … and improving their lives through hard work … not parents’ handouts …

    Finally … why does Malfunction Tremble invest in the Cayman Islands? Do you?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    With copper you can get 100mbps

    What utter cock!

  37. Solar`States`Teabag permalink
    August 21, 2018 10:55 pm

    Mr Rabbit “ No Wrecking. No Undermining. No Sniping.

    l also enjoy that talkbull ended up getting treated exactly the same as the rest of us by Mr-Rabbt. @Ha-ha-ha

    Mr Rabbit “ No cuts to ‘this’. No cuts to ‘that’. No cuts to my ABC.

    Now viewers get to sit back and enjoy the show.

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2018 7:49 am

    Nice photo reb. A balding old bloke with a beard!

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2018 10:05 am

    Nice photo* reb. A balding old bloke with a beard!

    I always knew he’d look like that! 🙂

    *gravatar

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2018 11:01 am

    Finally … why does Malfunction Tremble invest in the Cayman Islands? Do you?

    I am not a Turnbull fan . I lost interest in the Coalition when they got rid of ABBott but Turnbull has stated why he put his money in the Cayman Islands. To avoid a conflict of interest. Especially when he was communications minister any fund he invested in would have Telstra shares. He does pay tax in Australia on his Caymans Island stuff contrary to what some people say. Rudd did the same. His wife took her business to the UK

    With copper you can get 100mbps
    What utter cock!

    Yes you can but people are not getting those speeds because of high CVC fees. Just google “cvc and NBN”

    But if you want fibre to your home NBNCo do individual installations. Cost = $15,800 Pay for it yourself if you want fibre.

  41. August 22, 2018 4:23 pm

    “You’re fucked in the head Neil.”

    Timeless wisdom!

  42. August 22, 2018 4:27 pm

    This, and the mounting evidence of The Mill Grinding Slowly against arsehat Trump, has rekindled my attention in rightard political implosions.

    I genuinely believe that the Trumplite Abbotteers genuinely believe that they are going to ride a Trumpian wave of discontent…but this is Australia. So Fuck Right Off, Farage/Bannon/Le Pen et al…

  43. August 22, 2018 4:29 pm

    “People vote labor because they want STUFF from the govt.”

    Like your fucking hero, Howard, and his middle class handout pre-election pork barrels?

  44. August 22, 2018 4:30 pm

    “If over a third of the Libs think Dutton is leadership material, they’re truly rooted”

    Head, meet nail hit.

  45. August 22, 2018 4:45 pm

    ” Why does SA have the highest electricity prices? Privatisation? There is nothing left to privatise re: coal in SA. Labor got rid of all the coal fired power stations in South Australia”

    FYI, deadshit, I have always lived here, and the rising of electricity prices directly correlates with Privatisation…well before numbskulls and political spin artists had ever blamed everything on ‘renewables’.

  46. August 22, 2018 4:48 pm

    “Most probably never existed before State govts started pushing renewables down our throat.”

    Demonstrable fucking crap!

  47. August 22, 2018 4:53 pm

    “Very friendly in NZ!”

    LOCALS ONLY!

  48. August 22, 2018 4:55 pm

    What IvIeta…erm, *, said.

  49. August 22, 2018 5:00 pm

    “How fkn pathetic … what really annoys me is the patronising tone … and the assumption that I’m a fkn gullible peasant!”

    You & me both!

    It’s hard to determine who the electorate at large would eviscerate more profoundly…Abbott or Herr Dutton.

  50. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 22, 2018 5:10 pm

    Hi Toilet

    I totally agree if Peter Dutton is elected PM then they will lose even more seats at the next election. Peter Dutton is one of the Right Wing Extremists and as such he may get back the One Nation voters, but he will lose all the true swinging voters. So they will gain all the red necks that Abbott and Abetz and Joyce claim they talk to, but lose those who are middle of the road conservatives. I for one will be happy if he is elected PM because their demise will be almost certain. The moderates in the party must be shitting their pants.

  51. August 22, 2018 5:16 pm

    FFS, even the damned ‘Business Lobby’ is turning on the uncertainty, mayhem & general confusion wrought by the current government.

    Says heaps.

    Dutton’s hastily cobbled together populist brainfarts today are just that.Electricity GST exemption etc., etc.

    Desperate scrambling. Disparate desperation from the rightard rumptards…

    I personally am employed by a multinational Business who would like nothing more than to see some sort of reliable, forward thinking certainty with regard to the electricty/Nat Gas Sector; they couldn’t give a fuck about the backwardsarsed ideological arguments holding up getting the fuck on with it.

    I eagerly await my beloved CFMMEU taking the reins shortly. Fuck you haters, the uneducated, ignorant cnuts amongst you are what has allowed this to imminently transpire.

  52. August 22, 2018 5:25 pm

    ” So they will gain all the red necks that Abbott and Abetz and Joyce claim they talk to, but lose those who are middle of the road conservatives. I for one will be happy if he is elected PM because their demise will be almost certain. The moderates in the party must be shitting their pants.”

    Completely agree Shane (and hello).

    Also, regaining votes in QLD, from ON enthusiasts, is hardly a winning strategy nationally.

    I actually don’t relish a landslide for the ALP, because that forebodes them implementing their agenda, unfettered, pising off the middle & re-opening the door for nutcase Trumpism.

    Steady, balanced, moderate government seems like a pipe dream; but most unbeholden voters yearn for it.

    My local Member is Pasin. Arch Christian Conservative do nothing, entitled, bad neighbour prick. Unsurprisingly, he’s nailed his colours to the Abbotteers mast, long ago, but prolific in the last fortnight. One of the safest seats, for them, in Australia; burn them down.

  53. August 22, 2018 5:29 pm

    I regularly slum it through the comments of the Bolt Blog…a perverse fascination I’ve long held.

    It’s become apparent that there are several camps. Those such as me, incorrectly, lazily & easily derided as ‘Leftists’. Moderates, who aren’t scared to offer rebuttals to Herr’s incessant wet dream of reinstalling Abbott. And those who share the wet dream…along with irrational devotion to the most dubious POTUS ever seen- and all that he utters or enacts.

  54. shaneinqld permalink
    August 22, 2018 5:39 pm

    I don’t want the ALP to win by much I just want them to have more seats than the LNP. I am even happy with some moderate Independents with the balance of power, just as long as they are moderates and not LNP stool pigeons like ON or Zenephon (my what a terrible decision I made to vote for them in the senate at the last election).

  55. shaneinqld permalink
    August 22, 2018 5:42 pm

    TB

    Have you seen any polls for QLD State lately, is Anastasia still more popular or are the LNP ahead these days in the polls. I just haven’t seen any lately, maybe that’s because the ALP are in front and the Australian doesn’t want to release the result.

  56. August 22, 2018 5:49 pm

    “Tony PERMALINK
    May 18, 2018 1:27 pm
    What’s up motherfuckers!”

    I keep missing you by mere months! haha!

    Hopefully the political intrigue has you paying attention here again? haha.

    Please, come and mount a defence of Abbott, Dutton or (for my edification) Troompf? I’m yet to read a cogent one, and Krauthammer is fkn dead.

  57. August 22, 2018 5:57 pm

    “I don’t want the ALP to win by much I just want them to have more seats than the LNP. I am even happy with some moderate Independents with the balance of power, just as long as they are moderates and not LNP stool pigeons like ON or Zenephon (my what a terrible decision I made to vote for them in the senate at the last election).”

    Agreed.

    Although, I think Centre Alliance (or whatever Nick’s people call themselves now) are pretty sound. I am wary of populist nutters & ideological extremists of all persuasions. We need some balanced alternatives outside of the ‘Majors’.
    I tend to agree with a lot of what Leyonhjelm says, my inner individual…but am repelled by some of his fundamentalist shit (gun nuttery, economic laissez faire etc).

  58. August 22, 2018 6:21 pm

    “I go for a jog each night, I take a transistor, a mobile and a dog. For the dog, I take a few plastic bags to collect his turds, but so far I have not taken a toilet roll for myself… only in Queensland is a toilet roll an essential part of the daily jogging routine!”

    Haha…sorry, TB, but that’s genuinely amusing.

    Yes, I’m reading back through months of comments which aren’t necessarily relevant.

  59. August 22, 2018 6:23 pm

    Also, worth saying that all of IVIeta’s…err, ‘*’s’ comments have been BOSS thus far!

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2018 6:28 pm

    “Like your fucking hero, Howard, and his middle class handout pre-election pork barrels?”

    In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling govt debt was zero, the economy was booming and our detention centers were empty

    Labor locked up 50,000 people from 2008-2013. How many next time?

  61. August 22, 2018 6:50 pm

    …and how does that rebut my rebuttal of your utterly oblivious smear, for ostensibly the same fucking point of contention, “People vote labor because they want STUFF from the govt.”…ie
    like your fucking hero, Howard, and his middle class handout pre-election pork barrels?

    Or are you conveniently ignoring Herr Howard’s middle class welfare pre-elections? (it was one of his signature acts…aside from becoming embroiled in foreign conflicts with no rational impetus apart from SuperPower arselicking etc.)…

  62. August 22, 2018 6:50 pm

    I couldn’t give two powerful squirts about your red herrings or distractions, kneel.

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2018 6:57 pm

    Howard was running surplus budgets. His last budget was a $20B surplus. Australia does not like surplus budgets because they want the money spent on them

    Same goes for Kennett in Victoria.

    PS How many boat people do you think Labor will lock up next time?. 50,000 is the number to beat

  64. August 22, 2018 7:05 pm

    I could give a fuck about ‘boat people’. They’re not the push button issue you imagine them to be in my life.

    It’s just a sop to the (your) base, like abortion/ermergrants/muslims/socialists/fake news/witch hunt in the US.
    My understanding of the world and my reactions to it are a bit broader than having my buttons pushed.
    Congratulations on being easily manipulated.

    I’m more concerned about how the Business Lobby & its cohorts are going to try & fuck me hard where I work. The genuine threat to my livelihood.

  65. August 22, 2018 7:07 pm

    “Howard was running surplus budgets. His last budget was a $20B surplus. Australia does not like surplus budgets because they want the money spent on them”

    So pre-election middle class vote purchasing is fine, in Kneel-Land?

    Excellent.

    Enjoy the oncoming ALP ascendancy.

    Can’t wait until my beloved CFMMEU shit upon you from a great height!

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2018 7:09 pm

    What? I said people voted Labor because of greed. Social conscience? BS.

    And you find what people believe by what they do not by what they say. Labor locked up 50,000 people because that is what lefties do.

    And unemployment always goes up under Labor because their policies suck.

  67. August 22, 2018 7:10 pm

    * that’s not to say that I don’t care about people being incarcerated in ‘detention’, by my government. It’s just not a fearsquirting issue which will distract me from the shit they’re trying to pull while they try & get everyone to ‘Look Over There!!!”.

  68. August 22, 2018 7:13 pm

    So, you contend that Howard didn’t buy votes pre-election via middle class welfare hand outs?

    Interesting.

    Ignorant.

    Partisan.

    I couldn’t have been clearer.

  69. August 22, 2018 7:15 pm

    “And unemployment always goes up under Labor because their policies suck.”

    You might wanna consider geopolitical timelines with the partisan arsehattery you are contending.

    Truly, definitely not a paid hack…(I don’t believe there are many genuine paid hacks, just rusted on fuckwits)…certainly the same kneel.

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2018 7:18 pm

    Partisan?

    Have you looked in the mirror.

    We were fine in 2007. Debt free, low unemployment, detention centers empty, refugees from UNHCR camps coming to Australia, economy booming and we had a car industry.

    Sounds like you have a guilty conscience if you have one

  71. August 22, 2018 7:24 pm

    The word on the street is that there’s another leadership coup attempt currently underway.

  72. August 22, 2018 7:32 pm

    “We were fine in 2007. Debt free, low unemployment, detention centers empty, refugees from UNHCR camps coming to Australia, economy booming and we had a car industry.

    Sounds like you have a guilty conscience if you have one”

    Erm, no.

    I am not welded on to anything, much less times of yore from eleven years ago.

    Guilty?

    You are a tremendous fool.

    You are besotted by talking points…old talking points.

  73. August 22, 2018 7:34 pm

    I think Turnbull is well fucked, reb.

    I think the replacements, from the Trumpian reactionary sphere will fuck the LNP even harder at the next election.

    They are making the mistake of assuming that a majority ‘think’ like them.

    I beg to differ.

  74. August 22, 2018 7:35 pm

    Are you really THAT famous movie critic?!

  75. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2018 7:44 pm

    Toilet

    Not welded on to anything? have you ever voted for the Coalition?

    Two things ALP supporters believe in

    1. ALP does not believe in borders
    2. ALP does not care about people.

    That is what I believe

  76. August 22, 2018 7:52 pm

    “I think Turnbull is well fucked, reb.”

    Indeed. And the even funnier thing is they think their salvation lies in Herr Dutton.

  77. August 22, 2018 7:53 pm

    “Are you really THAT famous movie critic?!”

    Try to pretend you didn’t see that. I inadvertently blew my cover for a while there.

  78. August 22, 2018 7:59 pm

    Apparently Dutton now has the numbers, and there will be a ballot tomorrow.

    I wonder if Cormann has defected to Dutton…

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2018 8:19 pm

    Indeed. And the even funnier thing is they think their salvation lies in Herr Dutton.

    Too funny. Labor locks up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 and you want to say Dutton is a Nazi

  80. Russia`Is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    August 22, 2018 8:44 pm

    On my Abc24 the local Swamp Draining episode seems to have been turned into a mini-series. Also good to see dunny return to lather the bot in its own flop sweat. (-:

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2018 9:13 pm

    Hi HD!

    Politics is rather uninspiring…

    I had a bothersome surfing injury recently, apparently it’s nature’s way of advising me that I’m too old for it

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2018 10:31 pm

    G’day toylet!!!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    … advising me that I’m too old for it

    Bloody hell, Tom! Just what did you injure?

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2018 8:43 am

    What a rabble, and if Dutton and Shorten are the best the major political parties can come up with, we’re stuffed!
    —————-
    Yes TB – shoulder dislocation, serious rotator cuff tear, followed by surgery….ouch!

  84. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2018 8:50 am

    The word on the street is that there’s another leadership coup attempt currently underway.

    And Labor are pushing for the aspirant to visit the High Court.

    Fun times.

    G’day toiletdonalddumbfuckconservativepisstakemonument (I hope I copy and pasted that ok?) great to hear from you.

    As for me, I hope Labor win in a landslide, and can both the neocons and the greensleaves to FO

    Then we can get a real
    #NBN
    #Gonski
    #NDIS
    #CarbonPrice
    #FWA
    #PPL
    #MarineParks

  85. William`Kilgores`Teabag permalink
    August 23, 2018 9:23 am

    I love the smell of blow-back in the morning.

    lt smells like . . History.

  86. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2018 9:59 am

    dutton finally remembered his favourite ACDC song

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2018 10:08 am

    Dutton!!!??? FMD, ***VOMIT***
    I’ll be blushing and dry reaching next time I talk to anyone overseas
    They are truly F**KED

  88. Its`MY`abc`Teabag permalink
    August 23, 2018 10:16 am

    Viewers are being treated to the local Swamp Draining mini-series today. HiLites include the three stooges grave faced serious speak of talkbull has now lost support in his (weak)leadership and the issue needs to be settled in the partyroom(again) by cormannBot, fifield and cash; all claiming they were taken by surprise of Tues challenge. We have to wait(excitedly) where it will go from here. But oh my; isn`t that dutton zombie a big fellow, l never noticed before. It looks like a big strong fellow like dutton; with a bit of practice, could nearly hammer throw blib over the line all by himself!!

  89. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2018 10:19 am

    lolz

  90. shaneinqld permalink
    August 23, 2018 10:47 am

    Tom of Melb

    I agree I feel sick if Dutton gets elected.

  91. Russia`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    August 23, 2018 10:57 am

    Scomo-v-dutton is the latest on the swamp draining shane. @abc

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2018 11:09 am

    Dutton or Morrison… a choice between vomit or bile

    So much talent

  93. shaneinqld permalink
    August 23, 2018 11:17 am

    Apparently Dutton is being championed to win voters in QLD. Well I am one QLD voter that could never vote for Dutton.

    Morrison is at least a better choice than Dutton but they are both screamers and I am so sick of the childish screaming and hysteria.

  94. shaneinqld permalink
    August 23, 2018 11:23 am

    Duttons record as Health Minister is coming back to haunt him, it shows he is just as hard and miserable as he has been portrayed over the last few years. How he can soften his image is beyond me now that his term as health minister is back in the spotlight.

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2018 11:25 am

    I agree Shane. Morrison is awful, whereas Dutton is ugly, an offensive.

    Add Shorten (dishonest), how the f*** is this the best we can come up with?

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2018 11:27 am

    Dutton was a cop. Plod was an appropriate career choice for an arsehole bully

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2018 11:27 am

    And a Queensland plod at that.

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2018 11:46 am

    Dutton!!!??? FMD, ***VOMIT***
    I’ll be blushing and dry reaching next time I talk to anyone overseas
    They are truly F**KED

    Tom

    I sort of understand. But ALP supporters look for charisma and sex appeal in a leader. Conservatives tend to look for a guy who can get the job done. But Labor has an appeal for some reason the Coalition does not have and can do things the Coalition would never get away with.

    From 2008-2013 ALP/Greens locked up 8,469 children. There were 2,000 in detention when the Coalition won govt in 2013. Morrison found that Labor had not even arranged for the kids to have proper schooling and were bored out of their brains with nothing to do. One of the first things Morrisson did was to arrange for the kids to have proper schooling. You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say

    No can you imagine what Labor would say if Howard had done something like that?

  99. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2018 11:55 am

    ALP supporters look for charisma and sex appeal in a leader.

    lol

  100. shaneinqld permalink
    August 23, 2018 12:09 pm

    Well they should be booted from office for their disgusting adjournment of parliament just so they can sort out their internal fighting and arguing, costing us millions of taxpayers dollars. First time ever this has happened and a total fucking disgrace the mob of gutless arseholes. No one voted for a government to adjourn itself so it does not face question time.

  101. No`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 23, 2018 12:12 pm

    It sounds like ‘ouch’ has tumbled off the top branch of the tea-tree. Back in the swamp team stooten are having lots of fun at zombie expense, and zombies have just closed the house to sort out their partyroom shit. l also just realized l will miss lots of fun on these type of days if l ‘skip’ the new ‘sky9’ channel which l intended to ‘skip’ in an earlier comment. Can you imagine how unhinged the bedsheetwearers and crossburners are getting over this fantabulous zombie implosion.

  102. August 23, 2018 4:10 pm

    “Not welded on to anything? have you ever voted for the Coalition?

    Two things ALP supporters believe in

    1. ALP does not believe in borders
    2. ALP does not care about people.

    That is what I believe”

    Errr, no. I have never voted for the Coalition, I can’t really think of many circumstances by which I would vote for conservative (or even their pseudo-conservative-manipulative-populist) politics.
    Having said that, you are gravely mistaken if you think I vote ALP by default; I don’t. I have most often voted for Independent’s in my sickly safe Liberal seat…both State & Federal. Their margin of arrogance is being gradually whittled down, and this weeks antics will disillusion this rural seat more & whittle it further. Lumpy Pasin needs to feel nervous.

    So, in closing…fuck you Kneel! your implications with regard to my allegiance are spurious and laughable.

  103. August 23, 2018 4:13 pm

    “It looks like a big strong fellow like dutton; with a bit of practice, could nearly hammer throw blib over the line all by himself!!”

    Except, blib, and my beloved CFMMEU have far scarier, bigger, more threatening golems than Dutton in the wings.

  104. August 23, 2018 4:15 pm

    “Dutton or Morrison… a choice between vomit or bile

    So much talent”

    As ever…”Do you want your shit sandwich with sauce, or without?”

    * (it’s been a while, not sure if my question mark is supposed to be before, or after, the quotation mark…sigh…went with my gut)

  105. August 23, 2018 4:17 pm

    “…at least a better choice than Dutton but they are both screamers and I am so sick of the childish screaming and hysteria.”

    Indeed.

    Unfortunately, a lot of them seem to see the success the screamer across the Pacific has had with rallying thralls.

  106. August 23, 2018 4:26 pm

    “But Labor has an appeal for some reason the Coalition does not have and can do things the Coalition would never get away with.”

    People don’t genuinely warm to arrogant, unconcealed nastiness.

    * this should not be read as an endorsement of the ALP; which would be your normal reflexive, incorrect response. Think about it…

  107. August 23, 2018 4:44 pm

    Gotta say, I enjoyed Turnbull’s big fuck you, and rearguard defence, in the face of the RWNJ’s trying to ‘take back’ the Liberal Party.

  108. August 23, 2018 4:46 pm

    Bolt is shitting kittens!

    His winged monkeys are in uproar!

    They, stupidly, thought it was going to be a lay down misere.

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2018 5:04 pm

    People don’t genuinely warm to arrogant, unconcealed nastiness.

    The point I was trying to make is that the ALP is nasty but get away with it for some reason

    Dutton did not lock up 8,000 children the ALP did. After locking them up the ALP did not provide schooling. It was Morrison who arranged for the bored children to go to school

    Labor even sent young children to manus as a deterrent to show what Australia does to kids if people smugglers want to send them to Australia

    But lefties like to say Herr Dutton. It was the left/ALP who did the locking up like the natural totalitarians they are

  110. August 23, 2018 5:38 pm

    Better wank hard for Morrison then?

    Of course not. The self appointed right wing kingmakers are already mounting anti-Morrison attacks; in lieu of him supposedly (how easily they pretend to forget…and move onto the next perceived threat) being a Turnbull-lite. seriously, you cnuts deserve the reckoning which is coming.

    They want a return to (religious) conservative rule. Dumb cnuts.
    If the enforced plebiscite on SSM didn’t give them a subtle hint that they are a dying, marginalised, noisy, disproportionate breed then nothing will. Suffer and die.

  111. August 23, 2018 5:40 pm

    “The point I was trying to make is that the ALP is nasty but get away with it for some reason”

    Perhaps a majority of people are more able to rationalise against the push button rubbish of contemporary conservatism than not? Rather obvious?

  112. August 23, 2018 5:41 pm

    Dancing shoes, not polished, but comfortably refitted…in anticipation of grave dancing. My very favourite thing.

  113. August 23, 2018 6:53 pm

    I see Jewellery Bishop has thrown her fascinator into the ring.

    It’s not difficult to speculate that Dutton has just been used by the Abbott/Abetz/Andrews cabal to purely depose Talcum and Dutton doesn’t even realise he’s been thrown under the bus (he’s that fkn stupid, but then he is from QLD after all and a former pig).

    The beauty in all of this is that regardless of who accepts the poisoned chalice the Libs are destined to languish in opposition for the foreseeable future.

    You’ll just have to suck it up Neil. 😆 😆 😆

  114. August 23, 2018 6:57 pm

    “It’s not difficult to speculate that Dutton has just been used by the Abbott/Abetz/Andrews cabal to purely depose Talcum and Dutton doesn’t even realise he’s been thrown under the bus (he’s that fkn stupid, but then he is from QLD after all and a former pig).”

    Entirely rational!

    I like bacon too…but not as my PM.

    “The beauty in all of this is that regardless of who accepts the poisoned chalice the Libs are destined to languish in opposition for the foreseeable future.”

    Clearly you haven’t heard about John Howard and the amazing contortions of Peter Trump ‘s effort to rekindle the conservatard spark!

    Yay for backwardsarsed thinking political, conservative religious limpets of yesteryear…

  115. August 23, 2018 6:59 pm

    * Jewellery Shop –

    * snigger

  116. August 23, 2018 7:08 pm

    I find the magnitude of the potential swing against the incumbents somewhat disturbing.

    We do not want such a correction that a sway towards Trumpian arsehattism is the next most logical outcome.

    I value conseidredn eductaed perspectives..even if they’re conservative perspectives.

    I don’t favour reactionary, ignorant, emotional electioneering: from either polarity.

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2018 7:09 pm

    Perhaps a majority of people are more able to rationalise against the push button rubbish of contemporary conservatism than not? Rather obvious?

    What?? It was not Conservatives who locked up 8,000 children. It was the lefties who think they are morally superior to anyone else who did the locking up

    You don’t get it. You think you are morally superior but actually you are morally worse than the people you condemn

  118. Wear`is`my`Teabag permalink
    August 23, 2018 7:11 pm

    in “ anticipation of grave dancing

    Very glad to hear the good news that bolt is crapping felines and his winged (yet-unflyable) primates are hysteric, yaaay mrRabbit. Also glad to hear your beloved cmfu2 are well equiped with “ scarier, bigger, more threatening golems ” available to blib. lt is certain to keep the teabagPanic steadily flowing down the legs of ‘ouch’. (-:

    Talkbull-Lite? Dutto-Lite? Scomo-Lite? MrRabbit-Lite? Sorry folks, they all seem pretty interchangeable to me and (will)do some form of reverseRobinHood, take from the poor, and give to the rich. The hood ornament doesn’t really matter.

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2018 7:26 pm

    It’s not difficult to speculate that Dutton has just been used by the Abbott/Abetz/Andrews cabal to purely depose Talcum and Dutton doesn’t even realise he’s been thrown under the bus (he’s that fkn stupid, but then he is from QLD after all and a former pig).

    Can’t argue with that … well, won’t is better … but I do hope the shit sticks to his “neighbour” Luke Howarth … I only kicked the wanker out of my lounge, one day, wandering around on my carpet with his fkn workboots leaving ‘impressions” … just after he had taken over his old man’s pest control business – the fucker has a “marketing background” (his quote) and knows fuck all about anything – his monthly glossy brochures are slick and chock full of shit!

    “The beauty in all of this is that regardless of who accepts the poisoned chalice the Libs are destined to languish in opposition for the foreseeable future.”

    Oh! I do hope that’s true … the mining boom is over – but my grandchildren are poised to reap the benefit of the renewable energy/digital age in Australia with the left government in control … (so much shit to clean up tho’) …

    We must be vigilant where China is concerned tho’ … although I have advised my adult grandchildren that they may have to make a choice between China and Muslim one day!

    +++++++++++++++++++

    One of my cousins told me he and his wife would be considering a holiday soon … I’d like to share my tongue in cheek reply (I’d love them to visit again) …

    Re: your holiday, locations are pretty limited these days … Europe is in trouble with Trump, Brexit, Turkey and Putin wiggling his sabre about! The Middle East and Africa in general is a basket case, China is disappearing down the 1950’s Communist hole again and scaring the crap out of its neighbours, Canada is about to go to war with the USA or Saudi Arabia (against 900 armoured vehicles made in Canada – I read!), South America is overrun with drug cartels and dictators, the Arctic and Antarctic are simply bloody freezing …

    … all I can safely recommend would be the Antipodes … I know a lovely spot on the East Coast of Australia and thence just a three hour flight to New Zealand, or Norfolk Island, Vanuatu, Fiji … and accommodation and meals are free in Australia … and Tasmania is amazing!

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Exciting to see, sreb and toylet active again!

    BTW toylet, as usual, you reflect my opinions as always! 

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2018 7:28 pm

    I saw Chris Uhlman got a bit “angry” with the shock jocks too! Finally saw reason!

  121. August 23, 2018 7:46 pm

    “You don’t get it. You think you are morally superior but actually you are morally worse than the people you condemn”

    No…YOU don’t get it.

    Don’t fucking compartmentalise me into your preconceived political boxes of yesteryear.

    Utter crud.

  122. August 23, 2018 7:47 pm

    “Sorry folks, they all seem pretty interchangeable to me and (will)do some form of reverseRobinHood, take from the poor, and give to the rich. The hood ornament doesn’t really matter.”

    I concur…

  123. August 23, 2018 7:54 pm

    “BTW toylet, as usual, you reflect my opinions as always!”

    My political ears are pricked, TB.

    The next 24hrs will be something to behold, upon the Australian political spectrum.

    I knew I couldn’t ignore it when I started to get genuinely angry about it early this arvo.

    To be frank, it was Di Natale’s speech in the Senate which struck the major chord so far…and I am no Greens adherent.

    I challenge Kneel to counter his speech cogently.

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2018 8:05 pm

    Don’t fucking compartmentalise me into your preconceived political boxes of yesteryear.

    I call it as I see it. People on the left of politics believe they are morally superior to anyone else. Lefties say they have a social conscience whereas Conservatives do not. Lefties care for people whereas Conservatives do not. Lefties prefer to live in a society whereas Conservatives only care about the economy

    ALP/Greens supporters really believe they are morally superior

  125. Russia`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    August 23, 2018 8:11 pm

    got a “ bit `angry` with the shock jocks too! ”

    Fcuk Toolman and his phoney ‘anger’ or outrage with imbecile shock jocks behaving similar to himself. Remember his easyPass FakeNews interviews with ‘candidate’ Rabbit when compared to continual ‘crushing’ Swanny interviews. Remember his FakeNews scribbling when canoeland got hit with near ‘cyclone’ level winds that wrecked 20-pylons, yet he FakeNews’d it as ‘renews’.

    Finally saw reason! ” Utter crap. Toolman is lobbying. Nine(network)’s boy, or his boy is going down. Output is to match either; Toolmans, ViewerSegment or Networks ‘flavor’.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2018 8:24 pm

    I can’t even figure out who to blame! On this occasion it isn’t Swan

  127. August 23, 2018 8:27 pm

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  128. August 23, 2018 8:28 pm

    “I can’t even figure out who to blame!”

    Have you considered Michaelia Cash…?

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2018 9:34 pm

    She does have an annoying manner about her.

    I’m inclined to blame destructive types like Abbott and Andrews… and I’m only starting in alphabetical order

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2018 10:57 pm

    Cruel, sreb, cruel! Tarring a whole state because half a dozen half witted politicians …

    I have no idea who votes for these cretins … probably retired Victorians …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    She does have an annoying manner about her.

    Annoying!!!! GMAFB!

  131. Which`Hunt`Teabag permalink
    August 24, 2018 7:55 am

    Late last night l couldn`t sleep with all the swamp excitement so l decided to take a nice long walk. lt had been quite a while since l had paid any attention to my pet bricks, and as they had been neglected l took them with me. The whole sack of them. After some time of walking l got quite exhausted so l sat down and took a breather, placing my sack of bricks beside me. While resting l got distracted by a group of people across the street arguing. After the arguing people passed by, l decided to head back home so l picked up my sack of pet bricks. And it was empty! All my pet bricks had escaped and run away while l was distracted. l do hope somebody in Dickson finds them.

  132. August 24, 2018 8:40 am

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  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 8:45 am

    I heard Chris Ulhmann about Sky, Jones, Bolt, Hadley etc – I think he nailed it – exactly. He got it right about that incoherent c**t Trump too.

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 9:26 am

    I’ve never had a particular problem with Turnbull, moderate, reasonably progressive on social issues, reasonable in advocating economic policy.

    But he’s been swamped by bigots and luddites – Dutton reflects the narrow minded bigotry of the deep north, and is unacceptable in the civilised parts of the country. For example I live in the Kooyong electorate, I think it is entirely possible that the Greens will win the seat at the next election.

    The place is full of doctors and their tennis playing wives partners, a bigoted fascist like Dutton is absolutely unacceptable for this demographic.

    So… I know people say we should focus on policy not the personality – my reply is that the political complexion/orientation of the leader is the reflection of the majority of the party- so if the Liberals choose a bigoted fascist, that represents the majority view.

    Now excuse me, I’m just going to throw up.

  135. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2018 9:47 am

    I think he nailed it – exactly

    He should, cos he’s one of the ‘players’ who did exactly the same thing he’s crying about now to Gillard and Wind Farms.

    He’s a hypocritical cnut!

  136. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2018 9:50 am

    I’ve never had a particular problem with Turnbull

    I see your problem right there

    He’s always talked the talk, but never walked the walk. All of his policy decisions have been right wing nutter territory, from way back

  137. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2018 9:58 am

    Gold

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 10:13 am

    Blot, Hadley, Jones are vicious fascists – they try put a veneer of respectability on their divisive and puke inducing opinions. They scream intolerance, over microphones covered in their spittle.

    Ulhmann is nothing like that.
    ————————–
    Re – Turnbull etc

    I think the NEG was a reasonable start – Turnbull and Josh Frydenberg were capable and reasonable advocates of it.

    The tax plan was similar to one previously supported by the ALP, and certainty around taxation (and power price and availability) has a significant impact on investment

    Abbott (and his couple of mates), with the support of f**kwits in the media, have put the Liberal Party out of business.

  139. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    August 24, 2018 10:21 am

    been “ swamped by bigots and luddites

    That`s only coz he is a weak leader that doesn`t really believe in anything, and to press for it. His bad judgment was shown to us all via godwin gretch. His weakness was exposed as telegraphwire minister and reinforced his bad judgment. Then he spent 120mill proving to the world he was rabbits stupid, weak puppet. He even flushed his repug cred, becoming ‘elizabethan’ and even weaker. Made a fool of himself (and-Josh) attacking the canoeland premier. Every landmine he stepped on, he laid.

    Dutto got the green light from solicitor general (my-abc) which could be good news, as he might just lead the zombies over the cliff. That is, if we can stop team stooten from shoo-ing the zombies away from the cliff edge.

  140. August 24, 2018 10:41 am

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  141. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2018 10:50 am

    Ulhmann is nothing like that.

    nah, he smoozes intolerance, over microphones covered in his vapour.

    ‘We have nearly enough souls for him to take human form’.

    🙂

    “here is the soul of a man”

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 10:51 am

    Gold

    PLATINUM!

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 10:54 am

    TB

    Have you seen any polls for QLD State lately, is Anastasia still more popular or are the LNP ahead these days in the polls. I just haven’t seen any lately, maybe that’s because the ALP are in front and the Australian doesn’t want to release the result.

    Apologies Shane … I meant to answer this ‘tother day got side tracked!

    Have to agree with you I haven’t seen any polls lately …

    Stirling Hinchcliffe is a knobhead … he buggered up QR in Brisbane and now he’s rooted Ipswich … there was no need to sack the whole bleeding council!

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 10:56 am

    I heard that Border Force is actually surrounding Parliament House and a coup is imminent … !

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:01 am

    Blot, Hadley, Jones are vicious fascists – they try put a veneer of respectability on their divisive and puke inducing opinions. They scream intolerance, over microphones covered in their spittle.

    Thrilled to read that you’ve just reached that conclusion some of us have been aware of it for a decade or more … well done … assessed as Competent!

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:03 am

    nah, he smoozes intolerance, over microphones covered in his vapour.

    I think it’s best to support all those that are critical of bigots and fascists, rather than holding partisan grudges.

    For example, I was pleased to see Rudd pointing out that Dutton was the only MP who walked out on the apology to indigenous people.

    That’s indicative of the c*** that Dutton is.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:09 am

    WRONG!

    Dutto got the green light from solicitor general

    last sentence p27 “… not possible to reach a definitive conclusion”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/24/solicitor-generals-crucial-legal-advice-on-peter-dutton-in-full

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:20 am

    Blot, Hadley, Jones are vicious fascists – they try put a veneer of respectability on their divisive and puke inducing opinions. They scream intolerance, over microphones covered in their spittle

    I like them. I only listen to 2GB. Obviously they get things wrong from time to time like most of us do. Especially since they are on the radio all week for years. Do you have any examples that stand out of puke inducing opinions?

    I know Alan Jones raises a lot of money for charity. More than anybody who posts here

  149. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:24 am

    I think it’s best to support all those that are critical of bigots and fascists

    I think it’s hypocritical to be critical of bigots and fascists when you are one yourself

    “… not possible to reach a definitive conclusion”

    And so the High Court will find! ROFL

    George RR Martin must be taking notes here

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:29 am

    I lived in Sydney for years. I’m familiar with the bile Jones spews. There were others on in the evening – Stan Zemanak and a nutcase conspiracy theorist.

    They’re all FITH. Button pushers.

    Jones was the instigator of the Cronulla riots

  151. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:36 am

    Would you trust this lot, if their ‘leader’ won’t

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:47 am

    “Jones was the instigator of the Cronulla riots”

    Perhaps. Maybe, I do not know enough to argue. But overall Jones does more good than harm. More good than I or anyone who posts here has done.

    Did Labor instigate the Parliament House riot in 1996 against the Howard govt industrial relations and budget cuts policies?

  153. Wear`is`My`Teabag permalink
    August 24, 2018 11:55 am

    the “ instigator of the Cronulla riots

    Cheeses. You`re quite the wetter aren`t you. Cronulla was little more than a pillow fight and nothing like a real riot they have in the rest of the world. John-w started ALL the race baiting in 1997? trying to outdo pauline. He even stole her racial ideas “we will decide”. Remember? The three imbeciles you bleat about are not journo’s either. While Toolman barely is.

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 12:02 pm

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/alan-jones-im-the-person-thats-led-this-charge-20051213-ge1f12.html
    Alan Jones was the instigator of the Cronulla riots, he broke the broadcasting code of conduct for this. Then cash for comments. How is the prick ever trusted?
    The riot was still three days away and Sydney’s highest-rating breakfast radio host had a heap of anonymous emails to whip his 2GB listeners along. “Alan, it’s not just a few Middle Eastern bastards at the weekend, it’s thousands. Cronulla is a very long beach and it’s been taken over by this scum. It’s not a few causing trouble. It’s all of them.”
    He assured his huge audience he “understood” why that famous text message went out and he read it right through again on air. “Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge. This Sunday every Aussie in the Shire get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day …”
    Daily he cautioned his listeners not to take the law into their own hands, but he warmed to listeners who had exactly that on their minds.
    Last Thursday Charlie rang to suggest all junior footballers in the Shire gather on the beach to support the lifesavers. “Good stuff, good stuff,” said Jones.
    “I tell you who we want to encourage, Charlie, all the Pacific Island people because, you want to know something, they don’t take any nonsense. They are proud to be here — all those Samoans and Fijians. They love being here. And they say, ‘Uh huh, uh huh. You step out of line, look out.’ And, of course, cowards always run, don’t they?”
    When John called on Tuesday to bluntly recommend vigilante action — “If the police can’t do the job, the next tier is us” — Jones did not dissent. “Yeh. Good on you, John.” And when he then offered a maxim his father had picked up during the war — “Shoot one, the rest will run” — the broadcaster roared with laughter. “No, you don’t play Queensberry’s rules. Good on you, John.”

    That’s the background of the bigoted c** you listen to Neil

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 12:42 pm

    Watching MY ABC at the moment … I’m getting a feeling that SloMo may crack the leadership … have no idea why?

    Julie won’t make it – the Libs are not exactly female friendly … and Dutton isn’t very popular anywhere … see his office was vandalised last night bricks through the windows and doors …

    Back to the 1930’s in Germany?

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2018 12:46 pm

    “That’s the background of the bigoted c** you listen to Neil”

    I started to read your link and then saw it was written by David Marr so I stopped reading. Shocking if true but is it? I would suspect that most of the people who turned up to Cronulla would not even listen to Alan Jones. Young people do not listen to Jones. His listeners are older. Pensioners.

    But if true it is shocking. But after years of reading dishonest comments by ALP supporters I rest my judgement on what Jones said. But all humans get things wrong from time to time. Overall Jones does more good than harm. Apparently he responds to all his emails. Write to him and see what he says re: Cronulla

  157. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:17 pm

    then saw it was written by David Marr so I stopped reading.

    he does use some big words.

    I see that that they’ve elected ScoMo for next opposition leader

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:22 pm

    Neil, I highlighted the actual words Jones used. It doesn’t matter who reported them.

    Jones is always a bigot and a “confirmed bachelor” who is against gay people being treated decently and equally. It’s time for the old c**t to f**k off.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:23 pm

    Scott Morrison is also a bigot and a member of some cult. Great.

  160. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:27 pm

    Popcorn overdrive

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:31 pm

    “I see that that they’ve elected ScoMo for next opposition leader”

    I have never been able to understand the power hunger some humans have. Who would want to lead the Libs at the next election? Morrison is just another power hungry politican

    WE have had political instability when Australia made the mistake of voting for Rudd in 2007

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:31 pm

    Scott Morrison is also a bigot and a member of some cult. Great.

    Wow! Noticed that too, Cobber! Things are looking up around … 🙂

    Must be the pain killers, ToM

    (Seriously that shoulder injury sounds bloody painful – I recently had a couple of months struggling with bloody shingles in a most sensitive spot … that was bad enough … and still its lingering … empathy!)

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:33 pm

    The Minister asked a very pertinent question …

    … “with all these Prime Ministers, how much is this costing taxpayers for Gold Cards, first class travel, offices, staff and a lifetime income?”

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:35 pm

    I have never been able to understand the power hunger some humans have.

    Finally an intelligent statement I can agree with! Impressive!

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 1:45 pm

    When the federal election happens, I’m going to find a decent independent in Dickson and donate. maybe I’ll even donate to the GetUp! campaign against Dutton.
    ——————–
    And yes TB, the shoulder injury was quite painful – and getting out of the water was particularly OUCH! The surgery and rehab hasn’t been too bad.

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 2:36 pm

    Morrison was raised in the Uniting Church, but later became a follower of Pentecostalism. He now attends the Shirelive Church, which is affiliated with the Australian Christian Churches and the Assemblies of God.

    FFS … are they fairytale followers?

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 3:43 pm

    There’s trouble ahead … don’t pay the Ferryman!

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/no-healthy-level-of-alcohol-consumption-says-major-study

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 3:46 pm

    We should also give up driving, flying, having sex, walking, cycling, working … having children … living …

  169. Its`MY`abc`Teabag permalink
    August 24, 2018 4:49 pm

    More of the same out of slomo and josh ” work is welfare “, already lost me. Any fcuking dcikhead that says my minimal wage (for making other/s wealthy) is some type of ‘welfare’ can be knelt in front of a rifleman as far as l`m concerned. Funny how everybody got unhinged last week over speech with “final solution” in it; yet the teabags have regularly used their version of “work will set you free” and has gone totally unnoticed by the FakeNews outlets and the so-called ‘workers friends’. l hope a horde of indy’s take clowntown next time round. @fcuk`em

  170. August 24, 2018 5:04 pm

    Well then…

    Congratulations conservative rump!

  171. August 24, 2018 5:06 pm

    “Late last night l couldn`t sleep with all the swamp excitement so l decided to take a nice long walk. lt had been quite a while since l had paid any attention to my pet bricks, and as they had been neglected l took them with me.”

    Hahahaha!

    Good work.

    Too far for me to drive for days.

  172. August 24, 2018 5:17 pm

    “I heard Chris Ulhmann about Sky, Jones, Bolt, Hadley etc – I think he nailed it – exactly. He got it right about that incoherent c**t Trump too.”

    Amen, brother!

    It’s them who’re (is that even a word?!haha) out of touch…not the reasonable rest of us!

  173. August 24, 2018 5:24 pm

    “Tom of Melbourne PERMALINK
    August 24, 2018 9:26 am”

    Strongly agree with all of that comment. Apart from living in Kooyong…fuck that! Too many metrocentric cnuts!

  174. August 24, 2018 5:26 pm

    “Abbott (and his couple of mates), with the support of f**kwits in the media, have put the Liberal Party out of business.”

    Almost an irrefutable assertion, at this point.

  175. August 24, 2018 5:42 pm

    “I heard that Border Force is actually surrounding Parliament House and a coup is imminent … !”

    Just one of several legitimate concerns regarding concentrating power in Herr’s hands…which, hilariously, didn’t eventuate.

  176. August 24, 2018 5:44 pm

    This is why I enjoy reading here.

    You people (us people) are far more amusing…and also prone to insight & the acumen of seasoned pro’s (sarc). Truly.

  177. August 24, 2018 5:45 pm

    “I think it’s best to support all those that are critical of bigots and fascists, rather than holding partisan grudges.

    For example, I was pleased to see Rudd pointing out that Dutton was the only MP who walked out on the apology to indigenous people.

    That’s indicative of the c*** that Dutton is.”

    So true.

  178. August 24, 2018 5:51 pm

    “I lived in Sydney for years. I’m familiar with the bile Jones spews. There were others on in the evening – Stan Zemanak and a nutcase conspiracy theorist.

    They’re all FITH. Button pushers.

    Jones was the instigator of the Cronulla riots”

    I am loving the older more ‘seasoned’ YomM. For the record, I always knew that you were one of the good guys.

    Anti-Union fetish, but a social conscience supported by consistent comments. A lot of people miss the wood for the trees, between the anti-Union stuff; which I have certainly never interpreted as allegiance to nasty conservatism (and, let’s face it, nasty conservatism is precisely what’s raised its ugly head again this week).

  179. August 24, 2018 5:54 pm

    “Would you trust this lot, if their ‘leader’ won’t”

    My inner cynic…the hitchhiking ‘freethinker’ in my mind…means that I’ve never trusted any of them; noone should, as a rule.

    We should all be reading every utterance they undertake & running it through a damage filter, to try a
    & determine just exactly they are trying to dupe us ‘this time’.

  180. August 24, 2018 5:59 pm

    “That’s the background of the bigoted c** you listen to Neil”

    Read

    Process

    Think…cogs grind…ideological blinkers rein in the malfeascance…cogs grind…electric shock…think.

    “But John Howard…blahblahblah…etc”

  181. August 24, 2018 6:06 pm

    “But if true it is shocking. But after years of reading dishonest comments by ALP supporters I rest my judgement on what Jones said. But all humans get things wrong from time to time. ”

    The cognitive dissonance on display in this comment is profound.

    YomM is hardly what could possibly be categorised (based upon a VERY prolonged & solid digital commentary record) as ALP supporter.

    You absolute arsehat.

    Go back to your confirmation bias & stop muddying the fucking waters with general ignorance, FakeNewsItis and duuurbrained incredulity…even when presented with facts by a source who has regularly spoken out (intelligently, as opposed to your stances) against your ideological enemies.

    Seriously. What The Actual Fuck? Do you ever introspect?

  182. August 24, 2018 6:09 pm

    “Scott Morrison is also a bigot and a member of some cult. Great.”

    Straight up…someone needs to ask him if he actually believes the planet is only 6000yrs old.

    For me, that is an instant game breaker.

    Defy conventional wisdom and go & take your cultish, rationally indefensible shit to the niches of the tardnet- where it belongs.

  183. August 24, 2018 6:14 pm

    “More of the same out of slomo and josh ” work is welfare “, already lost me. Any fcuking dcikhead that says my minimal wage (for making other/s wealthy) is some type of ‘welfare’ can be knelt in front of a rifleman as far as l`m concerned. Funny how everybody got unhinged last week over speech with “final solution” in it; yet the teabags have regularly used their version of “work will set you free” and has gone totally unnoticed by the FakeNews outlets and the so-called ‘workers friends’. l hope a horde of indy’s take clowntown next time round. @fcuk`em”

    Totally agree.

    Precisely why strong Unions are a social imperative.

    Without them, we’d all just be getting killed at work & cheaply replaced, not to mention discraded every ‘off season’…

    You say Union, I say Power…

  184. August 24, 2018 6:20 pm

    *discarded

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 6:33 pm

    Go HD!! Incisive and entertaining as always!

    Now going out to steady sensitivities with a good red… or 6

  186. August 24, 2018 6:35 pm

    Laundy: “We need generational change in politics, because right now politics is broken, and I trace it back to, this is 10 years of tumultuous times, starting back in 2007 with the [Kevin] Rudd era.

    “The people that came in in 2013 and 2016, you know, inside my party but also across the chamber, inside our party at the moment you’ve got this great chasm of the left and the right, and historically those that are the senior leaders of both sides have been at each other’s throats for 20 to 30 years, but the hope of the [party] is the next generation.

    “The guys on the right of our party right now, the next generation – Michael Sukkar, Zed Seselja, Tony Pasin, these sorts of guys – are good mates of mine and the people on the left of the party that came in more recently.

    “We didn’t experience those first lot of horrible years. We’ve sort of inherited and watched on and now, I think hopefully with Scott [Morrison] and Josh [Frydenberg], is a generational change which I think’s needed.

    “Let’s hope” A quote from Liberal MP Craig Laundy @The Guardian.

    Well, let me just say that this caught my eye, because Pasin’s father lives over the fence from one of my very solid friends & workmates…and I strenuously dispute Laundy’s weak, incorrect characterisation of Pasin as “the next generation”…he is a socially conservative, pseudo-lawyer with little experience & a whole lot of Young Lib entitlement syndrome going on.

    Hope he gets a hell of a fucking scare down here in the upcoming reckoning.

    Also, he was glady and gleefully pictured alongside Abbott et al on the back bench as all of this unfolded this week…

    Stain.

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2018 6:53 pm

    “maybe I’ll even donate to the GetUp! campaign against Dutton.”

    Why Dutton. What evil deeds has he done? Did you campaign against the party who locked up 8,000 children from 2008-2013? When the Coalition won got they found that Rudd/Gillard did not even provide schooling for the kids they had locked up

    Spit it out what evil deeds has Dutton done?

  188. August 24, 2018 6:56 pm

    “maybe I’ll even donate to the GetUp! campaign against Dutton.”

    I am inspired to do same.

    Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2018 7:22 pm

    “Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!”

    I understand. It is the ALP who enjoys locking people up. Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them locked up 8,000 children from 2008-2013. They even sent young children to Manus Island as a deterrent to show what the ALP does to children who come here by boat.

    The ALP is just an abomination of a political party

  190. toiletconservativerumpgrinder permalink
    August 24, 2018 7:43 pm

    You need some new material, kneel.

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2018 7:48 pm

    Why? You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    How many people do you plan to lock up next time?

    PS are you the same Toilet who used to post here from SA? The previous Toilet did not post so many times

  192. August 24, 2018 9:07 pm

    “How many people do you plan to lock up next time?

    PS are you the same Toilet who used to post here from SA? The previous Toilet did not post so many times”

    I don’t lock people up, fool.

    I am the same toilet, yes. The 2nd gravatar is from my phone & I have been the same for over a decade at least.

    If you had a morsel of analytical intelligence you’d probably easily recognise my ‘style’ of prose…like everyone else does.

    Who the actual fuck else do you think I would be?! seriously dense. 🙄

    I’m quite certain reb can verify my emails; which haven’t changed for a fucking eternity.

    Keep grasping.

  193. August 24, 2018 9:09 pm

    That would be ‘toilet’, lower case…same as it’s ever been, fwiw.

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2018 9:35 pm

    TB Queensland permalink

    August 24, 2018 12:42 pm

    “””” Watching MY ABC at the moment … I’m getting a feeling that SloMo may crack the leadership … have no idea why?

    Julie won’t make it – the Libs are not exactly female friendly … and Dutton isn’t very popular anywhere …””””

    You buggers do realise that I called this BEFORE the announcement? Shakes head – goes to bed ….

  195. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2018 9:37 pm

    “I don’t lock people up, fool.”

    Yes you do. When you voted for Rudd in 2007 you voted for locking 50,000 people up.

  196. August 24, 2018 9:38 pm

    “”he does use some big words.””

    😆 😆 😆

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 10:51 pm

    Why Dutton. What evil deeds has he done

    Dutton is typical of the narrow minded bigots that should be in thevpolitical margins. Leave the fascists to One Nation and Trump. They have no place in mainstream Australian politics

    Dutton (and Abbott and bBolt and Jones and Hadley…) only seek tovwedge and divide. They have no sense of commin purpose. Dutton is dumb as dog shit and just as appealing.

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2018 10:52 pm

    (And I’m willing to acknowledge a couple of typos… duye to some very good red)

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2018 7:37 am

    “Dutton (and Abbott and bBolt and Jones and Hadley…) only seek tovwedge and divide.”

    Strong beliefs are divisive. If you don’t want to divide people don’t have a strong belief on anything

    Dutton has not locked anybody up. The ALP did that so why call him a fascist?

  200. Its`MY`abc`old`Teabag permalink
    August 25, 2018 8:09 am

    that “ I called this BEFORE the announcement? @Tick

    Yep. l was thinking the same Teebz, but you beat me to it. (l had to fcukoff for a while, and forgot when l got back) Not that l really see any meaningful difference for us, no matter how hard they shake up the Tea-Caddy.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2018 8:45 am

    Not that l really see any meaningful difference for us

    Indeed.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    (And I’m willing to acknowledge a couple of typos… duye to some very good red)

    And obviously reached a similar conclusion to me after reading this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/no-healthy-level-of-alcohol-consumption-says-major-study

    🙂 🙂 😉

  202. August 25, 2018 9:40 am

    I read that study over a glass of reasonable red and decided that it had little merit.

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2018 10:37 am

    I don’t read that nonsense.

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2018 10:58 am

    And thanks HD for all that intelligent commentary!

    But… my issue with unions… started after a few deliberately screwed up Keatings reform agenda, they wilfully derailed the focus of an effective government.

    Since then I’ve observed behaviour in several industries that have undermined plant maintenance and overhaul. In the linger term this has reduced willingness to invest and maintain power generation, manufacturing etc

    The behaviour isn’t usually reflected in the ongoing production unions, it’s those that disrupt overhaul and maintenance work to push an agenda.

    …just in case you’re wondering…

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2018 11:12 am

    Anyone now why the Coalition got rid of Turnbull? Economy is actually doing OK. Unemployment is low, lower than anytime under Hawke/Keating. And my Super fund is going gangbusters

  206. Ya`didnt`notice`Teabag permalink
    August 25, 2018 12:01 pm

    just “ in case you`re wondering ” @yeah, generic and vague, nothing specific. Frightened we might look a little deeper? Or we might already know some of the history you don`t? Hint-1 Manufacturing was sunk by its own management or/and owners, aided by its own ‘industry-associations’. Hint-2 PowerGen, chunks of your own state has burned to the ground at least three times due to pylon wires clashing in high wind areas. The owners lobby to not put them underground, biz-on-biz wreckage.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2018 4:29 pm

    “I’m from the city. I’m not pretending to know one end of a sheep from the other …”

    Scott Morrison

    D’ja wot? Any two year old could tell you that one end has eyes and ‘tother end has a tail (I refrain from further obvious detail)… not a good start SloMo …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/calls-mount-for-wrecker-tony-abbott-to-quit-politics/news-story/433969c9bc6d76c70a50922b01c32ae1

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2018 7:22 pm

    Dutton looks like a fascist to me.
    Authoritarian, secretive, racist and… former Queensland police officer

  209. Wear`is`MY`Teabag permalink
    August 25, 2018 10:51 pm

    looks “ like a fascist to me ” With all your practice viewing one in your mirror; l do believe you are correct. (-:

  210. August 25, 2018 11:13 pm

    ” I’ve observed behaviour in several industries that have undermined plant maintenance and overhaul. In the linger term this has reduced willingness to invest and maintain power generation, manufacturing etc

    The behaviour isn’t usually reflected in the ongoing production unions, it’s those that disrupt overhaul and maintenance work to push an agenda.

    …just in case you’re wondering…”

    I appreciate the clarification.

  211. August 25, 2018 11:19 pm

    “Any two year old could tell you that one end has eyes and ‘tother end has a tail ”

    Where I am from, we pick them up (a physical challenge, if you let the fuckers get too heavy), put them in a cradle, inoculate them with B12, drench them, spin the cradle, remove their tail with a gas knife, dump them back out into the paddock…wrestle with the next one; with affection – because being eaten alive by maggots is far more heart wrenching than tailing…and we don’t mules (which is gruesome…and to me, extreme).

    Life outside of the city, y’all.

  212. August 25, 2018 11:20 pm

    “I don’t read that nonsense.”

    I shouldn’t have!

  213. August 25, 2018 11:23 pm

    I eagerly anticipate SloMo’s picks for Cabinet.

    If Abbott gets a gig it will be a red flag. I don’t think he will, but the nutjobs will be after some sort of placation after the shitstorm they proved themselves able to provoke in the last month or so (overtly).

  214. Blame`da`onions`Teabag permalink
    August 25, 2018 11:52 pm

    that “ disrupt overhaul and maintenance work

    Yet no working example! Just vague strawman statements without context or evidence! @chuckle

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2018 10:23 am

    “ disrupt overhaul and maintenance work ”

    And in many cases senior management trying to save a quick quid – and sometimes creating a “union issue” (from an ex-service , production and WH&S manager, management training consultant … )

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2018 10:42 am

    I don’t think so TB. The disruption has usually been related to union claims.

    Shutdowns are shortened, the bare minimum of work is done to avoid exposure to industrial action. This leads to plant degradation and unreliability.

    It is part of the reason for underinvestment in Australian industry.

    For example the CFMEU division that looks after pulp and paper production has an entirely different industrial orientation to the division that looks after the overhaul and maintenance work.

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2018 10:50 am

    I shouldn’t have!

    If you stick to good red, the price causes moderate consumption!

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2018 11:18 am

    People have a go at Dutton by saying he is nasty but perhaps those people should pull the plank out of their own eyes. This is what Labor did and anybody who voted for the ALP

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard And children detained in facilities on Nauru are suffering illnesses and mental conditions caused by unsanitary and inhospitable conditions on the island nation while all refugees are subjected to a broad “intention to dehumanise”. ……..Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

  219. Which`Hunt`Teabag permalink
    August 26, 2018 11:37 am

    What a week its been for smoking teabags. Spectacular self inflicted swamp implosions all week. Overnight the cold war geriatric died after refusing further medical treatment. lf the world could have a solid three months of this; the planet could be near teabag-free!

    (and no, l`m not referring to our TB, but the arizona arseclown john mccain)

  220. Cut`the`wires`Teabag permalink
    August 26, 2018 11:56 am

    Only knucklehead would think dutto is better or different to slomo. Neither of these nasty idiots have any gravitas among the public outside their own electorate; now the zombies have made it ‘possible’ (not probable) for team stooten to cobble together a watermelon govt after next election. The zombies are going to lose both talkbull and joobish and that is because neither slomo or josh have gravitas. They needed to a stable elder statesman type WITH gravitas like kevin andrews or eric abetz to have at least one of the top spots. Cory and pauline will end up cleaning up big time next election.

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2018 12:07 pm

    Shutdowns are shortened …

    By management … not unions … its all about profit! Poor maintenance leads to accidents (and in many cases loss of profit!)

    I worked for an HR Manager who actually fomented, Ironworkers Union, stoppages under senior management instructions …

    As a union rep I stopped strikes …

    Note: I’ve also had my run-ins with the CFEMU …

    The pendulum has two extremes … stop one side and the clock stops – all sides lose …

    Poor/greedy management created unions … I’ve seen both extremes and worked with great management/union co-operation …

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2018 12:50 pm

    Actually a very appropriate theme for the Liberal Party … now led by a very “serious” godbotherer …

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2018 6:17 pm

    Kelly O’Dwyer takes over jobs and industrial relations

    Michaelia Cash, moves to small business, skills and vocational training.

    Deck Chairs? Or Musical Chairs? No difference … MickeyMoney … needs some fkn SKILLS! Come to think about it so does Kelly Hairdryer!

  224. Deck`Chairs`Teabag permalink
    August 26, 2018 8:38 pm

    the “ bare minimum of work is done to avoid exposure to industrial action ” @chuckle

    Try, boardrooms get bare minimum repairs done to avoid production loss or Legal action. Often, long after a much increased time period than; equipment supplier require service period. @GenoaWhatiMean

    _____

    Kelly O`Dwyer takes over jobs and industrial relations ~ Michaelia Cash, moves to small business ~ @deckchairs (-: Can`t wait to see the `neg` replacement biz demand from her. Then what the zombie retardright do! Enjoy the ‘show’!

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2018 10:15 pm

    Scott Morrison shows his age …

    GMAFB!

  226. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 8:58 am

    Since then I’ve observed behaviour in several industries that have undermined plant maintenance and overhaul. In the linger term this has reduced willingness to invest and maintain power generation, manufacturing etc

    Is that because they pushed for things like preventative maintenance over the more popular “break n fix” policy?

    the bare minimum of work is done to avoid exposure to industrial action.

    I think you mean to save money

    I worked for an HR Manager who actually fomented, Ironworkers Union, stoppages under senior management instructions …

    As a union rep I stopped strikes …

    exactly, one thing that cam out of #turc was that the building companies were far more militant than any Union could be. And they were the ones employing Bikies as hitmen (rather than just having Bikies who work on site being a member of a Union.)

    Unions aren’t prefect. But they are far less bad than the businesses they deal with.

  227. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 9:47 am

    And they all said I was mad

    First uhlman, now Rudd

    (hang on, madmen are now saying what I’ve been saying for years?)

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2018 9:50 am

    TB and Tom R have their own experiences and perspectives, I think mine are broad and multi industry, so I’ll stick with my own views.

    A few years ago i was working with an investment group. They were looking at building a plant in regional Vic or SA, their major concern was industrial relations. They weren’t anti union – they just didn’t want a multitude of unions covering production and maintenance work post construction.

    Competition for union coverage is poison for reliability.
    —————–
    The latest Newspoll has the Libs being absolutely flogged, which is quite understandable and deserved.

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2018 10:23 am

    I think , so I’ll stick with my own views.

    WTF? An investment group? IR? Didn’t want a multitude of unions? I’ve worked as a manager in organisations with over 1000 people and at least six unions …

    Try working at the coalface AND management … literally … mining (coal, copper, gold, silver) … reo steel and mesh production … transport … service & maintenance – (retail/commercial/production) … sales … light and heavy engineering … training … insurance and re-insurance … the “broad and multi industries” serviced by the NSCA … fertiliser production … performing arts … the arts … electricity generation and distribution … uni’s colleges and schools … and of course management and H&S training and assessment in four countries!

    FFS! ToM … yours …are broad and multi industry … ?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Let’s hope Labor can maintain the impetus … congrats to Bill Shorten … seems Kill Bill failed … Trample Turnbull seems successful tho’ …

    Can’t wait for the next episode of The Next Generation!

  230. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 10:25 am

    They weren’t anti union – they just didn’t want …….. to pay a fair days wage for a days work?

    seems Kill Bill failed

    murdoch is working to install Shroten

    #youknowitmakessense

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2018 10:29 am

    Split union coverage limits flexibility and requires more management.

    A multitude of unions intervening isn’t a model for lean management.

    Investors won’t cough up a billion$$$ if the outcome looks inefficient.

  232. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 10:47 am

    Investors won’t cough up a billion$$$ if the outcome looks inefficient.

    You mean mining companies investing billion$$$ in highly Unionised mining companies, or building companies doing the same whilst dealing with the CFMMEU?

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2018 11:06 am

    Investors want lean management and reliable operations

    A multitude of unions isn’t consistent with that. But in my experience they don’t want non union, that is a vacuum that will attract union activity.

    There is little new investment in mining or manufacturing. usually existing assets change hands.

  234. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 11:13 am

    Investors want lean management………….

    One union to RULE them all!

    Sorry, but if you are in a diverse industry, working with a diverse range of skills, you have to manage a diverse range of people.

    And they are represented by a diverse range of unions.

    Lean Management is corporate speak for lazy to management

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2018 11:19 am

    Sorry, but if you are in a diverse industry, working with a diverse range of skills, you have to manage a diverse range of people.

    And they are represented by a diverse range of unions.

    Lean Management is corporate speak for lazy to management

    Fine, and if management here gets complicated and “unlean” the investment goes somewhere else.

    People looking for a place to invest go wherever they get the best return, and as we don’t offer low priced labour, real estate or energy, we have to find something else that is attractive.

    Having a “take it or leave it” attitude about reliability and efficiency usually results in “leave it’

  236. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 11:49 am

    the investment goes somewhere else.

    Yea, right, cos they’ll dig up the coal ……….. oh yea,

    Or, as with the car industry, a stable, safe and educated society creates a better investment environment

    until the grubmint tells them to piss off!

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2018 11:58 am

    No, the case I was talking about was one where the product could be shipped off shore without any local refinement or value add, or there could be more processing in Australia (which would employ people)… and then it could be shipped overseas.

    For additional stuff to be done on it here, investors wanted certainty around construction firstly, then efficient and reliable production.

    But tou probably think efficient production is some capitalist agenda that should be resisted by unions.

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2018 12:29 pm

    Talk about spin!

    But tou (sic) probably think efficient production is some capitalist agenda that should be resisted by unions.

    But tou (sic) probably think efficient production is some capitalist agenda that should be shared by the workforce who do the WORK.

    You really are sounding like a shiny arse office wallah that struggles to get the lid off the coffee, ToM …

    I’ve worked on both side of the fence AND as a consultant to both … and I simply cannot sympathise with your point of view …

    German IR has it nailed, with workers required to be on company boards … it’s worked well for at least 40 years that I know of!

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2018 1:06 pm

    Fine then TB, you must know better

    If investors have a billion $$$ and we have high wages, expensive real estate, high energy costs, a small domestic market and we’re along way from anywhere… what do you think our competitive advantage should be if it isn’t industrial reliability and lean management?

  240. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 1:16 pm

    Fine then TB, you must know better

    As opposed to yomms self proclamation of same 😉

    Why don’t you try using some evidence instead of corporate squeaks like ‘lean’ and ‘flexible’, which as we know is simply another way of saying ‘CHEAP’

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2018 1:16 pm

    just out of interest, would Christine Foster get any press coverage if she wasn’t Abbott’s sister?

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/tony-abbott-s-sister-christine-forster-confirms-tilt-for-wentworth-20180827-p50001.html

  242. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 1:22 pm

    Who?

  243. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2018 1:23 pm

    Then again, would abbot himself get any press coverage if he’d born in the outback to Aboriginal parents?

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2018 9:49 pm

    I wonder whether the Liberals will hold Wentworth. Maybe there will be an independent to support

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2018 10:58 pm

    One Nation?

    What a dumb name …

  246. August 28, 2018 1:52 am

    “Is that because they pushed for things like preventative maintenance over the more popular “break n fix” policy?”

    Interestingly, the ‘Run To Fail’ mentality began here, where I am, around the same as our 4+ year wage freeze (still going) began.
    The only time we rate a mention in the media is when we undertake Protected Action; and trust me, we have been polite about what we can do if we actually decide to ‘regulate’ our ‘labour’ (in my industry, it’s much more like technical expertise than ‘labour’, but the company likes preparing a high speed technological Paper Mill to local Saw Mills [incomparable- have been in both] an easily rebutted red herring).
    It’s almost a national strategy of Big(ger) Business to stall, disrupt or avoid EA negotiations which may rsult in wage rises, contemporarily. I wonder if they could possibly all be pursuing the same strategies which the Business Party enables for them? 🙄

    “Split union coverage limits flexibility and requires more management.”

    There is one very large Union (CFMMEU) and a couple of maintenance Unions with almost negligible membership, on my site. The change in the Company’s stance with regard to IR over the last half a decade is the genuinely notable antagonism (after veritable decades of NO Industrial Action, acrimony or lack of cooperation). Multiple Unions isn’t the problem here in any way shape or form.

    “I wonder whether the Liberals will hold Wentworth. Maybe there will be an independent to support”

    Let’s hope for an Independent.

    I fucking hate political dynasties & the Abbotts starting one makes my gorge rise.

    Was so glad to see the voters of Mayo show Alexander’s entitled fucking daughter (an IPA adherent/contributor, who had left the electorate long ago) get her Born To Rule By Blood arse handed to her at the recent by election.

  247. August 28, 2018 1:57 am

    * preparing – was supposed to be ‘comparing’

  248. August 28, 2018 1:57 am

    “One Nation?

    What a dumb name …”

    Indeed!

  249. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 28, 2018 6:47 am

    When politicians like Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton and Tony Abbott decided that all their operations should be conducted in absolute secrecy and the public were denied any information whatsoever from a department that is NOTHING to do with our defence force or our sovereignty then they lost any respect they deserve. I can imagine the outrage if the Rudd or Gillard governments had attempted to be so secretive, extremists like Abbott would have claimed communisim. It is funny that it depends on which makes the same decision as to the reaction of the extremists and the murdoch partisan to the extreme press.

  250. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 28, 2018 8:26 am

    “department that is NOTHING to do with our defence force or our sovereignty”

    Border control is of course something to do with our sovereignty. This is where Rudd/Gillard failed by letting in 50,000 boat people most who are here for a better life and not fleeing persecution. It is also unfair for the people in UNHCR camps who we used to take until Labor only let people in who had $$$$$$10,000 to pay a people smuggler

    The USA is getting 30,000 people/month from South America. they are going to the USA for a better life. They are not fleeing persecution

  251. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2018 8:56 am

    the ‘Run To Fail’ mentality

    The most public example of this is our power networks. Having been subjected to having a transformer blow up down the street, which actually started a fire in our house, and blew/destroyed everything currently plugged in, I’m no fan. The stinger was the hoops we had to jump through to get our equipment ‘fixed’ No replacements, they had an electrician on contract who dodged appliances back up, but shortened their lives considerably. Our nice new fridge struggled on for a few more years before finally succumbing, and our printer blew up a few weeks after everything else was settled, just after we’d signed off 😦

    The other consequence of privatisation has been a decline in service reliability, with the regular failure of fuses and transformers across South Australia. Before privatisation ETSA had maintenance teams which monitored transformers and replaced them before they failed, thus ensuring minimal interruption to the electrical supply.

    https://www.uow.edu.au/~sharonb/afr-power.html

  252. shaneinqld permalink
    August 28, 2018 9:01 am

    Everything these days is “run to fail” or built to fail. Sadly we have become a terrible disposable society so that big business can achieve continual repeat sales while our garbage mountains become bigger and bigger with disposed of items. Kettles and toasters built to last less than 12 months then thrown on the rubbish heap. Washing machines and fridges and TVs only getting 12 months warranty and then told it is more expensive to fix than to replace, so mountains of them at the tip.What a terrible waste and massive pollution in the name of more profit and sales.

  253. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2018 9:39 am

    What a terrible waste and massive pollution in the name of more profit and sales.

    And we can’t even implement plastic bag use. I laughed/cried when, in the midst of plastic awareness week, coles decided to release a range of little plastic copies of their crap to entice dumbasses to throw away even more plastic.

    I love walking past coles and watching the sheeple within. (up until the point I have to go in to get something lol)

  254. shaneinqld permalink
    August 28, 2018 10:32 am

    Religion is infesting our so called secular government. Being a christian does not give you honour, respectability, integrity, honesty or morals. Your actual actions do this and the actions of the so called Christians within our current government resemble nothing like how I was raised as a Christian. Their lust for money, their gifts to the rich while taking from the poor, their treatment of those less fortunate than themselves, the total indifference to those fleeing persecution, their insistence on borders against people while creating a world economy to reduce wages for the citizens, is completely at odds with the teachings of Christ. It seems Christianity has been hijacked by the wealthy and now used as a commercial enterprise to generate wealth and power from money. A true disgrace.

  255. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 28, 2018 10:59 am

    “the total indifference to those fleeing persecution”

    Garbage. We have a quota system. Every person who comes by boat means one less person we can take from a UHCR camp.

  256. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2018 6:13 pm

    “Washing machines and fridges and TVs only getting 12 months warranty ……….””

    Clearly you know nothing about statutory warranties

  257. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2018 6:16 pm

    “the total indifference to those fleeing persecution”

    OK virtue signaler…………….why don’t you take a few refugees into your own home then….?

  258. Tony permalink
    August 28, 2018 6:25 pm

    “Turnbull’s Legacy will be sweet FA.”

    Correct.

  259. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2018 7:11 pm

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Alexandra+Deuwel&client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&prmd=imvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjT_v7tso_dAhUTd94KHZdDAnAQ_AUICSgB&biw=412&bih=604&dpr=2.63#imgrc=m-6stf024nApHM

    I suppose this lass would be on Nauru if she was a dusky country…

    But Dutton has criteria to apply to these cases!

  260. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2018 9:50 pm

    “Correct.”

    Correct

    Hello TOSY

  261. August 29, 2018 12:20 am

    ““Turnbull’s Legacy will be sweet FA.”

    Correct.”

    And now, perhaps, a comment on Abbott’s legacy? (being an obstructionist is not really something most Catholics would engrave upon their tombstone- except possibly the ones who self righteously burned Lutherans & what not).

    But, full points for addressing the thread’s title.

    If I had to, I’d say Turnbull’s legacy, in my eyes, is drawing the Mad Monk out into the light & out-maneuvring the conservative rightwing rump in the Liberal Party into tilting at windmills (several puns intended) and arsefucking itself; probably driving more ‘base’ voters unto fringe nutters like Cory Conservatardi & Poorlean Hanson Inc. .
    Excellent work, tin ear ideologists. Australia is not the DisUnited States of Trumpland.

  262. August 29, 2018 12:22 am

    * fkn maneuvering

  263. August 29, 2018 12:24 am

    ” I can imagine the outrage if the Rudd or Gillard governments had attempted to be so secretive, extremists like Abbott would have claimed communisim. ”

    Partisan political adherents are the same all over the world, I reckon.

    Free thinking is apostasy.

    Trumpism could easily be applied to your excellent analysis.

  264. August 29, 2018 12:27 am

    “Having been subjected to having a transformer blow up down the street, which actually started a fire in our house, and blew/destroyed everything currently plugged in, I’m no fan. ”

    That would fuck me off tremendously.

    I spend much time monitoring the state of the national electricity market & reacting to its notorious whims.

    A very stupid system for maintaining the integrity of a supply network.

  265. August 29, 2018 12:29 am

    * and by that, I mean ‘Run To Fail’.

  266. August 29, 2018 12:31 am

    shaneinqld @ August 28, 2018 10:32 am

    &

    Tom of Melbourne @ August 28, 2018 7:11 pm

    I strongly agree with the sentiment of both of those comments!

  267. August 29, 2018 12:33 am

    “Hello TOSY”

    I also strongly agree with the sentiment of this comment.

    …and greetings, prickly Walrus too!

  268. shaneinqld permalink
    August 29, 2018 5:39 am

    I certainly am fully aware of statutory warranties, but obviously you are unaware that they are enforced by government legislation and NOT offered by the creators of the product of whom I was talking about in relation to disposable items !!!!

  269. shaneinqld permalink
    August 29, 2018 5:44 am

    Because it is not my job to take in refugees as an individual it is the job of government who has the resources to do so. You know the so called Christians occupying the government at the moment who appear to have less sympathy for refugees but much more for an au pair when influenced by those at the top !!!!

  270. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2018 6:27 am

    Less sympathy for refugees? Are you kidding?

    Labor gives priority to people with $$$$$$$10,000 living in a safe place to pay a people smuggler while the refugees we took under Howard are stuck in a UNHCR camp

    As usual Howard got it right. We stop the boats and take our refugees from UNHCR camps

  271. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2018 9:27 am

    That would fuck me off tremendously.

    To say the least.

    We talked to lawyers, who adviced us that the laws were written quite specifically once ETSA was sold to protect the private owners ‘investment’

    We had no leg to stand on. We could either accept the appliances being soldered back to working condition, or get nothing. That was all that was required.

    All to save a few dollars on maintenance, and we, the consumer, pay for it.

    Yet the price of line rental went up, whilst their ‘investment’ in it’s maintenance went down.

    So when people try to tell me privatisation is good, well, I have a different outlook, let’s say that 😉

  272. August 29, 2018 10:05 am

    Latest polling shows Wentworth on a knife edge 50/50 two party preferred basis.

    Imagine if the poshest electorate in Australia fell to Labor… 😆 😆

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/29/liberals-and-labor-neck-and-neck-in-byelection-race-for-turnbulls-seat-poll

  273. August 29, 2018 10:06 am

    “We stop the boats and take our refugees from UNHCR camps”

    I thought we got them from the Paris School of Etiqutte and Childcare.

  274. August 29, 2018 10:16 am

    BTW, hello ToSy hello Walrus.

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2018 10:19 am

    Yes… it’s great to see the old crew here!

    AO should pop in!

  276. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2018 10:23 am

    “………….but obviously you are unaware that they are enforced by government legislation””

    So what big deal. They could refuse a 1 year warranty as well if you get the right type of c*nt

    If any c*nt of a retailer gives me shit about a product I let them know what my rights are and then tell them they are engaging in an illegal act if they refuse replacement/repair/refund.

    Call their fucking bluff because they know what the law is

    That’s enforcement !

  277. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2018 10:26 am

    “Imagine if the poshest electorate in Australia fell to Labor… ”

    Unlikely to go to ALP

    More likely Independent or very narrow Lib win.

    Karen Phelps is the leading Indi

  278. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2018 10:27 am

    Greetings Toilet !

    Greetings Reb !

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2018 10:58 am

    “Hate to break it to ya nil”

    So what? The boat people are just queue jumpers who have money to pay a smuggler. They are safe in Indonesia. WE have a quota system and should take the most needy

  280. Tony permalink
    August 29, 2018 12:00 pm

    Oops, where are my manners? Hello everyone!

    Love what you’ve done with the place Reb.

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2018 12:38 pm

    No NBN for 30+ hours and intermittent for last six!

    Did I miss anything?

    Oh! The Gang’s All Here!

    Noice … and friendly I see … great!

    AO should pop in! Yes that would be noice too.

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2018 12:41 pm

    And who else would use a gravatar of a loud mouthed piss pot? 😉

    (And he’s not even holding a shiraz … its gotta beWild Turkey!!!)

  283. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2018 1:35 pm

    “Hate to break it to ya nil……….”

    So what ?

    They still have to go through our vetting process either way

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2018 2:26 pm

    “special envoy for the drought”

    So he’ll be sorting the shit out that he made?

    (Joyce served as Minister for Agriculture (2013-2015), Minister for Agriculture and Water Resources (2015-2017), Minister for Resources and Northern Australia (2017)

    More astounding hypocrisy from the, Next Generation, “government” … I bet he gets a very large Higher Duties Allowance too! Jobs for the fkn boys still …

  285. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2018 2:36 pm

    Oh! The Gang’s All Here!

    Let the GAMES begin (yaays (sob))

    Example (A)
    They still have to go through our vetting process either way

    😦

  286. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2018 2:39 pm

    hehehe

    Although MPs cannot be compelled to answer questions in Senate committees, Turnbull’s decision to resign as member for Wentworth on Friday means he could be forced to front the inquiry examining the grant.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/aug/29/turnbull-could-be-forced-to-front-senate-inquiry-to-explain-444m-reef-grant?CMP=soc_568

    So he’ll be sorting the shit out that he made?

    Yea, so the guy who was in charge when massive rorting of the MDBP thingy was being perpetrated, is now put in charge of drought relief!!! ROFL (sob (again))

  287. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2018 9:04 pm

    “The Farmer’s get Climate Change!”

    Sounds like some deadbeat ALP supporter gets climate change because there are taxpayers dollars to be obtained

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2018 9:07 pm

    Sounds like some deadbeat ALP supporter

    The president of the National Farmers’ Federation, Fiona Simson, has declared that climate change is making drought worse in Australia and says tiptoeing around the subject does not do regional communities any good.

    “It is the effect of climate change we need to be aware of that makes the impacts of a drought even worse,” she told the National Press Club.

    “As a community, we want to talk about it and the more discussions we have about and the more open people are in talking about it, then the less uncomfortable it becomes.

    Or an “ideological idiot” (M. Turnbull) following the extreme right wing of the Australian Liberal Party …

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2018 9:19 pm

    OK Fiona Simson is a deadbeat ALP supporter

  290. No`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 29, 2018 10:14 pm

    DlLL “ TB, you must know better ” @He.Does!

    IF ” investors have a billion $$$ and we have high wages,@False expensive real.estate,@Tick high energy@Tick costs, a small.domestic@Tick market and we`re along way from anywhere .. what do you think our competitive advantage should be if it isn`t industrial reliability and lean.management@False?”

    Manufacturing has fallen (ballpark) from 42ish% to 6ish% , along with ‘retirement’ of aged workers. The result is a ‘deficient’ quantity of ‘skilled'(1) workers in some areas.

    Other threats are the political buffoonery with both electricty(2) and telegraphWires.(3)

    Most ‘management'(4) is overpaid for mediocre performance, tho paying selves at ‘superman’ levels.

    Govts failing to ‘enforce'(5) regulations, rules, laws and trying to ‘outsauce’ responsibilty.

    With skills and regulations white anted, and wire, energy, and responsiblity outsauced, efficiency(6) and productivity will always remain impossible to plan for.

    There is SIX investment THREATS that far more serious than ‘screwing a little bit more’ out of a workforce (probably working alongside robots), or any inconvience da-onion ‘may’ make. “ German IR has it nailed, with workers required to be on company boards ” @big.Tick

    _____

    Enjoy the teabag hysteria but don’t let it go to your heads pinkists. We should all know that 29% is ten points above his rightful level due to zombies throwing themselves off the cliff. When it gets nearer to fedVote and slomo is giving stooten big numbers; the zombies will be begging jooBish to come off the backbench and lead them thru the fedVote. l also noticed a female zombie quit because of zombie misogyny just like husar quit because of teabagLite misogyny. @yaaay.TEAMs

  291. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2018 10:38 pm

    What???

  292. August 30, 2018 12:01 am

    (Sounds like some deadbeat ALP supporter gets climate change because there are taxpayers dollars to be obtained

    Yep, sounds like.)

  293. August 30, 2018 12:50 am

    “We talked to lawyers, who adviced us that the laws were written quite specifically once ETSA was sold to protect the private owners ‘investment’”

    But, hang on a sec…kneel told me it was renewables??? (I doubt he’s ever learned a fucking mote about ETSA, what it was, or what happened after it was sold- anyone who has paid a power bill in SA since the mid 90’s [?] would be able to school him)…but then he’s a tragically welded on disseminator of ideological nonsense, somehow stuck in the ‘Howard Era’. So, Fuck. Him. Right.

  294. August 30, 2018 12:54 am

    “Greetings Toilet !”

    * lower case ‘l’ ! haha

  295. August 30, 2018 1:08 am

    “The Farmer’s get Climate Change!”

    From my personal observances, over 40+yrs (and, more importantly, those of my father, who has farmed the same patch of land since before I was born)…

    You can’t make this shit up…and I’m more than aware that weather doesn’t equal climate & trends are trends and nobody was here to countenance geological time scales…BUT

    The paddock at the bottom of the hill our Soldier Settler’s farm house was built upon was inundated for the midwinter months of the year at the vestiges of my living memory; swamplike. The flats were inaccessible at the same time…under water.
    Ours is some of the agricultural land in the country not currently in drought; ie. not marginal.
    It has not been under water/swamplike/inundated since the mid 80’s. Take what you will from that, but it’s mine own fucking eyeballs filing the report & I wouldn’t bother ‘deliberately misleading’ about it.
    And if you don’t believe me, ask someone who’s been there since he was 3 (now 65ish); my Dad.

    AGW or not. Farmers observe things which metro-dwellers are utterly oblivious to.

    Personally, I trust mine own eyes, and I certainly trust my Dad (he’s one of the rare people in this world who doesn’t pick sides and is a critical thinker) .

    Influential ‘farmers’ corroborating his/my personal observations doesn’t surprise me at all…and about fucking time; the penchant for social conservatism in such rural areas certainly hasn’t helped the ‘message’ getting out.

  296. Shane in QLD permalink
    August 30, 2018 8:32 am

    The party currently in government that coerced, threatened and downright bullied states into selling off their energy assets to private companies, because that would reduce prices, is now advertising using taxpayers hard earned money in telling us that they are threatening the retailers and it also looks like we will receive a government subsidy (taxpayers money) to lower prices. Once again a massively failed disposal of previously publicly owned assets which could be price controlled if need be, to price gouging of a massive king. Who would have thought that private companies driven solely for profit, greed and bonuses would rip off a captive market.

  297. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 30, 2018 10:35 am

    Shane

    The Labor govt in SA forced out coal generated electricity. If fact they blew them up costing the jobs of hundreds at Playford and the Leigh Creek coal mine supplying the coal. The town is now dead. SA now does not generate any electricity using coal and have the nations highest prices.

    In Victoria Labor tripled the royalties on brown coal.

    Labor does everything it can to drive out the cheapest method of generating electricity- coal. Privatisation has nothing to do with increasing electricity prices

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2018 10:44 am

    More of the bleedin’ obvious to the blinkered ideology freaks …

    While the Morrison government has identified lowering power prices as a key early priority, a new analysis says wholesale prices will almost halve over the next four years because of the technology many Coalition conservatives oppose – renewables.

    The latest renewable energy index compiled by Green Energy Markets confirms analysis by the Energy Security Board that wholesale electricity prices are on the way down because of an addition of 7,200 megawatts of extra large-scale supply from renewable energy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/30/renewables-forecast-to-halve-wholesale-energy-prices-over-four-years

    It’s like franchising blacksmith shops in the 1930’s instead of building service stations!

    I weary of the brick wall …

  299. shaneinqld permalink
    August 30, 2018 11:30 am

    TB

    Exactly, now the proof is starting to emerge and renewables are forming part of the mix DESPITE this despicable government and Tony Abbotts actions as PM, because the profit gouging from private ownership has forced those with the ability to build their own renewable energy.Even the partisan LNP supporters the NFF actually are starting to mention the words climate change again after being scared off by Tony Abbott into mentioning it.

    If all the solar panels in NSW stopped working tomorrow they would need to build 2 new generation plants to meet the demand during the SUNNY and HOT DAYS alone. The panels have saved the NSW Government BILLIONS in construction costs. While it may have cost when they were first heavily subsidised, they are now performing the desired result. ONce again a VISION for the future, a PLAN for the future and ACTION for the future from the ALP not the LNP.

    Did you know that Bob Menzies attempted to halt and stop the Snowy Mountains Scheme then took credit for it after it was finished. Seems like history is repeating itself.

  300. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 30, 2018 12:24 pm

    Good. Queensland still gets most of its electricity from coal. It would not matter if the coal fired power stations were govt or privately owned. If Queensland got rid of coal like SA has done and replaced them with renewables electricity prices would rise like they have in SA

  301. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2018 1:32 pm

    and it also looks like we will receive a government subsidy (taxpayers money) to lower prices.

    Nice post Shane. It’s amazing how so many ‘private’ institutions wouldn’t survive without the public teat to suckle from

  302. shaneinqld permalink
    August 30, 2018 2:21 pm

    Tom R

    It’s amazing how many previously publicly owned assets have become greed, profit and theft institutions determined to screw as much blood out of the public before they are caught. The Gouging from Power, the Gouging from Banks, The Gouging from Private Health. All gouging as soon as the publicly owned portion of the area is privatised to mob of thieving, scheming arseholes. Nothing sold off by either side, and this includes the mongrel ALP as well on this matter has benefited all our citizens, absolutely nothing. If the ALP have the audacity to privatise anything from here on in they will be just as complicit and just as guilty as the LNP and I will call it as such too. We have a RC into Banks because Keating did a despicable thing in closing down the CDB and selling off the CBA, a terrible decision, left the government completely unable to control the banking industry.

  303. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 30, 2018 3:21 pm

    “It’s amazing how so many ‘private’ institutions wouldn’t survive without the public teat to suckle from”

    And where does the govt get its money from? That is right. The taxpayer. Govt does not generate any revenue.

  304. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2018 3:38 pm

    If the ALP have the audacity to privatise anything from here on in they will be just as complicit and just as guilty as the LNP and I will call it as such too.

    Fair call too

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2018 3:55 pm

    I’d be quite happy for commercial operations of the ABC to be sold, and probably thecrest of it too.

    It should sell real estate, and probably Austraia Post too.

  306. Tony permalink
    August 30, 2018 5:46 pm

    At least the mulberry bush is still here for everyone to go round and round.

  307. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 30, 2018 5:56 pm

    Tony

    Politics is like religion. You will never change a persons beliefs no matter what the evidence.is. Facts are irrelevant

    You either have a correct belief or an incorrect belief

    For me the ALP preaches false things. It destroys the lives of people.

    Two things the ALP believes
    1. Labor does not believe in borders
    2. Labor does not care about people

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2018 6:27 pm

    If the ALP have the audacity to privatise anything from here on in they will be just as complicit and just as guilty as the LNP and I will call it as such too.

    And I agree, shane, and in fact left leaners tend to chastise the ALP for poor or damaging decisions … ’cause its been done here and as far back as Blogocracy … LNP right whingers tend to defend all and any decisions … damaging or not …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It should sell real estate, and probably Austraia Post too.

    I’m sure you meant Australia, ToM … rather than more “common” Astraya …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    At least, Kneel, is consistent … Facts are irrelevant … You either have a correct belief or an incorrect belief

    I’m surprised it doesn’t vote, One Nation … please explain?

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2018 6:28 pm

    DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO GO THERE BECAUSE I. WILL. GO. THERE.

    Thanks, sreb!

  310. August 30, 2018 9:05 pm

    “AO should pop in!”

    Agree! How about Nasking? And Scaper! This place could use some rational thought.

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2018 9:12 pm

  312. August 31, 2018 12:56 am

    “Politics is like religion. You will never change a persons beliefs no matter what the evidence.is. Facts are irrelevant”

    What utter shit.

    Try some persuasive facts on intelligent people, then watch their opinions evolve.

  313. August 31, 2018 1:01 am

    Didn’t Shane & TB both demonstrate an inherent capacity to criticise both sides of the duopoly in Australia, with regard to privatisation?

    Something which you, kneel, have rarely (if ever) demonstrated, to my recollection (which is quite good).

    ToSy, there are so many facets to the mulberry bush…why not hear a few divulgent branches; please beg to differ. Ignore wht you think is the routine, or partisan; give personal opinions?

  314. August 31, 2018 1:04 am

    “Politics is like religion”

    Politics is beholden to Real Politik.

    Religion tries to fit everything into a filter of predetermined outcomes or suppositions; usually upon a foundation of unsubstantiable, outdated texts or uncritical dogma.

  315. August 31, 2018 1:05 am

    “Agree! How about Nasking? And Scaper! This place could use some rational thought.”

    Bring it, rockshifter.

  316. August 31, 2018 1:07 am

    “This place could use some rational thought.”

    Please, dispense some of yours.

    Change my mind. It is possible. You’ve done it before.

  317. August 31, 2018 1:10 am

    Or, maybe correct what you believe to be my irrational thoughts.

    I actually think contrary, intelligent challenges from rational opponents sharpen my mind and either confirm or modify my stances.

  318. August 31, 2018 1:18 am

    “You either have a correct belief or an incorrect belief”

    Hmmmm.

    Very hard to quantify, Neil.

    You can certainly hold your own beliefs & opinions, but facts are fucking facts.

    Fake News is the new jargon for ‘information’ which is inconvenient or ideologically dismissible.

    Of all slippery slopes…calling unpleasing commentary ‘Fake News’ is greased, buttered & KY’d.

    The shortsighted fuckheads purveying the term need to wake up & smell the inevitability of their political opponents, crackpot dictatorships (the real ones), aberrant corporations, beholden media, beholden incumbents everywhere…all appropriating this language of easy dismissibility & cheap escape from accountability.
    We should all be concerned about this.

  319. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2018 8:55 am

    Scaper! This place could use some rational thought.

    Ah, the old “I’ve snorkelled the reef, and it’s fine” scaper?

    I saw a recent photo of the environmental worrier

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2018 9:05 am

    Yes!! Nasking!! And how about we get him to fill up this thread with video clips that no one is interested in??

  321. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2018 9:16 am

    You’re a genius yomm

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2018 9:18 am

    “You can certainly hold your own beliefs & opinions, but facts are fucking facts.”

    Yes and no. Facts can change. Ultimately all decisions are based on faith because nobody has access to all the facts

  323. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2018 9:32 am

    nobody has access to all the facts

    Or the most recent thread it seems?

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 9:43 am

    Jesus wept!

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 10:14 am

    “As I understand it, she never overstayed the visa, hasn’t committed any offences, and I thought it was an application of common sense.”

    Dutton

    PROVED AGAIN!

    Commonfuckingsense does not exist! (In future substitute “bullshit”.

    And in Dopey Dutton’s mind only one thing exists … air!

  326. shaneinqld permalink
    August 31, 2018 10:18 am

    FFS Neil the government does generate revenue when it owns assets. Are you trying to tell me that the CBA did not generate revenue when it was publicly owned, yet now it does as a private enterprise. Same goes for Medibank Private, Toll Roads, Airports, Qantas, Telecom the list goes on and on and on.

    Sadly our assets that DID GENERATE REVENUE have been sold off to allow greedy private companies to collect and keep that revenue. I actually gave you more credit for commonsense than it appears you possess.

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 10:22 am

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/hockey-backs-trump-he-will-be-reelected/news-story/09a4d5d9c615c1d21cb7328fcb7e6000

    Just remember this is the same “entitled leaner” who told us there are lifters and leaners and the days of entitlement are over (while he lives it up as ambassador to the USofA and is headed for a pension that would feed 5,000 people for life!) he also said that we would all live for 3,222 years and work until we fall of the perch at around 2,000yo or sumfing like that! That last bit is commonsense. Init!

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 11:02 am

    I actually gave you more credit for commonsense than it appears you possess.

    Once again proving that common-sense is actually bullshit …

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 11:05 am

    He (Hockey) revealed the Trump administration often sought counsel on policies, noting Australia – unlike other nations – had not been judgemental about the president or his team.

    “They respect us for not going down the path so many other countries have.”

    Maybe we should try HARDER!

  330. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2018 12:05 pm

    “FFS Neil the government does generate revenue when it owns assets”

    Even if true so what? My point still stands. Most govt money comes from taxing the private sector. TomR was trying to say that govt had money to give private companies. Govt gets most of its money from taxing private business.

    And I read somewhere the govt is getting more money from the Commonwealth Bank after privatisation because the bank is making bigger profits and so is contributing more in income tax than when govt owned.

    But you changed the topic. Most money govts gets come from taxing private enterprise. It is a joke to try and make out that govt has money to give it generated itself

  331. shaneinqld permalink
    August 31, 2018 12:38 pm

    You blatantly stated that Govt Does Not Generate Revenue and I pointed out to you it does, how is that changing the topic. While this government generates no revenue it still does have money to gift to private companies all the time. There are literally thousands of private companies now being paid billions of dollars to perform functions that were once performed by public servants while also making a profit on those services, thereby actually costing us taxpayers more in the long run. Govt gets most of its money from taxing individuals by way of GST and Income Tax, not from business.

    If the government owned the CBA if would be getting 100% of the dividend like it used to, not simply the tax on the profit after all deductions.So unless the government is getting $20,000,000,000 that’s Twenty Billion from the CBA then it has lost on the deal of privatisation. Can you not comprehend that. If we still owned it we would get ALL of the dividend !!!!. The comment regarding tax is simply privatisation cheer squad trying to justify the sale of government assets.

  332. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2018 1:29 pm

    OK. Govt gets most of its revenue from taxation. Better?

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 2:25 pm

    The Australian Catholic Bishops Conference has formally rejected a recommendation from the child sexual abuse royal commission that reports of abuse disclosed to priests during confession be reported to police.

    Just who runs this country … the church?

    If priests and or bishops do not report abuse they should be charged with obstruction of justice …

    This is still a secular country, I believe?

    Run by godbotherers …

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 2:26 pm

    OK. Govt gets most of its revenue from taxation. Better?

    No its not its fudging …

  335. shaneinqld permalink
    August 31, 2018 3:21 pm

    It gets most of its revenue from taxation NOW because ANYTHING THAT EARNED IT REVENUE WAS SOLD OFF !!!!!

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 3:39 pm

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2018 3:51 pm

    Shane, i think most that has been sold should have been sold.

    Australian Airlines would never have survived competition from Virgin if it had remained in government ownership. Qantas faces even more competition and government ownership would have resulted in protection via international rights, and higher prices

    I don’t think Telstra would provide a better service if it was government owned. I think government ownership would have promoted protection from competition rather than better service

    With regarding to power generation and distribution, I’m not sure the government runs the industry any better than the private sector. I think regulation is needed – and the proposal for a benchmark price is a good one.

    You know a lot about banking, and so my only observation is that most of the state government owned banks didn’t turn out so well under government ownership. Again – banks are guaranteed and protected, and the trade off for this should he strongly enforced regulation.

  338. shaneinqld permalink
    August 31, 2018 4:26 pm

    ToM

    I disagree completely, we had 100% land mobile coverage under Telecom, there were technicians in all areas in case of breakdowns, you were guaranteed a time for service connection and a guaranteed time of arrival, maintenance was performed correctly and not with sticky tape and glue. Communications is an essential service and should be in public ownership.

    Ownership of energy ensures that we are not beholden to any company for power generation and we can regulate the price as we own the operation. I have no doubt that the government runs the industry better, we have only had massive power bills and increases since privatisation of the industry.

    Medibank Private was a classic example, as soon as privatised the CEO salary increased by 400%, they started plotting to remove certain benefits from policies and seeking even higher premium increases for less benefits and less service. This industry makes $1,000,000,000 profit with most of that going back to the UK, yet policies and benefits and being reduced year in year out.

    Service by any publicly owned enterprise is open to far more scrutiny than any privately owned company, the long long list of private companies ripping off staff, hiring illegal workers, not paying super levy, going bankrupt and then starting again under another name is things that never happen under public ownership.

    Ownership is far more preferable than regulation, regulations are ignored, abused, campaigned against and bribed for change all the time.

    State government banks were fine until they corporatised them and the top management went on a lending spree to the wrong people. Surely you remember that Westpac almost went to the wall with a loss of $750,000,000 in one year after the bond fiasco. Not a State bank but a private bank and one of the biggest in Australia.

    What banks had to rely on a government guarantee during the GFC to obtain finance? All of them and all privately owned. May as well all be owned by the government if we have to guarantee them during the tough times yet let them screw the public during the good times.

    Regulation is always an afterthought with private companies and lobbying behind the scenes ensures it is never ever the regulation that is required.

    I much prefer ownership where we can determine strategy, outcomes, employment, service, return on investment and pricing, while having no need for regulation enforcement.

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 6:12 pm

    ToM

    I disagree completely

    me too and I haven’t even read your comment!

    One thing that old farts (complements of my son) we’ve seen what works and what doesn’t!

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 6:14 pm

    ToM

    Again – banks are guaranteed and protected, and the trade off for this should he strongly enforced regulation.

    Have you followed the RC on the Financial Sector as closely as you did the RCU … Jesus wept …

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 6:16 pm

    Service by any publicly owned enterprise is open to far more scrutiny than any privately owned company

    And that’s why they do it! Well said, shane!

  342. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2018 6:19 pm

    And THE ROBBER BARONS are still at work … we need a ROBIN HOOD!

    Nothing changes …. nothing is new …

    Just the weapons to attack the peasants!

  343. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2018 7:28 pm

    “It gets most of its revenue from taxation NOW because ANYTHING THAT EARNED IT REVENUE WAS SOLD OFF !!!!!”

    Really? There are thousands of private companies. And small business employs more people than big business. I doubt that CBA, Qantas, TAA etc were giving the govt more than the fraction of the revenue it got from private business.

    And I saw somebody post that the govt is getting more money from CBA since privatisation because it is making bigger profits than when govt owned.

    And I remember the monopoly Telcom. Ring them up for help and you might get it in several weeks time. Then Optus entered the market and they became more people friendly

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2018 10:03 pm

    1. Government ownership didn’t do much for the state owned banks
    2. Telecom was good service?
    3. Commercial airlines should be owned by the government?
    4. What are 3 or 4 examples of successful government enterprises?

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2018 10:08 pm

    Shane – you point out that government ownership of banks isn’t the issue – (“State government banks were fine until they corporatised them and the top management went on a lending spree to the wrong people”), it is the behaviour of people

  346. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2018 10:55 pm

    And the NBN is being built by the govt. Private enterprise would do it cheaper

    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b3302712caeafaed0b13a421db8a24ad?width=650

  347. September 1, 2018 12:30 am

    “Yes!! Nasking!! And how about we get him to fill up this thread with video clips that no one is interested in??”

    * nostalgia of idiocy!

    I must admit, I had forgotten.

    Inane Hall, was another ‘tremendous’ contributor.

  348. September 1, 2018 12:44 am

    The eternal clash of comprehension VS ideological reaction

    ” Govt gets most of its money from taxing individuals by way of GST and Income Tax, not from business.”

    V

    “OK. Govt gets most of its revenue from taxation. Better?”

    =

    “It gets most of its revenue from taxation NOW because ANYTHING THAT EARNED IT REVENUE WAS SOLD OFF !!!!!”

  349. shaneinqld permalink
    September 1, 2018 6:10 am

    ToM

    I worked for Telecom for 3 years before starting wit the CBA. I can tell you the service was far, far better than we get now. The cost was more expensive but they were still building the network for the whole of Australia and covering every square inch with mobile coverage, unlike the private companies who only build in profit generating areas. WE now have tax payers money building towers in black spots that telecom would have built form its own funds generated from REVENUE rather than tax.

    The old service adage was the usual suspects seeking to privatise a government asset for their own greed. When you want to own something that is publicly owned create scandal, doubt, inquiries ( but stack them with people who will achieve the outcome you desire), get the Management onboard with promises of massive rewards and share bonuses. Have management manipulate the staff and coerce the staff into believing they will have a far better career and job prospects while knowing full wellk that jobs will be slashed, benefits decimated, services outsourced to overseas, allowances scrapped, while at the same time the top gorge themselves on dividends and bonuses and rights issues. I know the strategy because I have been in the corporation that was privatised TWICE.

    When a charter is changed form service to the people of Australia to profit for shareholders, how on earth you can claim that the service is better privatised for all citizens is beyond my comprehension.

  350. shaneinqld permalink
    September 1, 2018 6:21 am

    FFS Neil all the private companies make their profit from a lot of government workers. Accountants, Solicitors, Doctors, Retail, Mechanics, Car Dealers, Construction Companies, Myself, Banks, Telecommunications.

    Take away all government contracts, any workers who works for the government and gets a salary, any person who is employed by a company that gets its income from the government via a contract.

    If i removed every single customer of mine that is in some way paid for by government money I would lose more than 70% of my clients.

    It is not just public servants you know. If a person in any way paid for my the government buys something from you then your income comes from the government.

    YOu need ot ask those private companies how much of their revenue is from the government in any way before you start spruking that private enterprise spends or contributes more.

    Are you able to comprehend this ?

    If an accountant has a client and that person receives their wages in any way from the government. Or their employer or contractor does, then that income comes from the government not from private enterprise. Ask a small business person you know ( if you know any) to do the calculation then get back to me with this utter crap of private enterprise do the hard yards.

    Farmers would have no mobile or telephone service if it was left up to private enterprise to build the network in the first place.

  351. shaneinqld permalink
    September 1, 2018 7:11 am

    My apologies for the spelling in previous posts I am in a hurry this morning, long drive to see clients where 4 out of 5 of them are in some way paid for by Government money.

  352. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2018 8:40 am

    “Are you able to comprehend this ?”

    I comprehend I just do not believe in your opinion. Govt jobs suck money from the productive private sector making it worse off for everybody. Govt is a necessary evil but should be as small as possible

    “It gets most of its revenue from taxation NOW because ANYTHING THAT EARNED IT REVENUE WAS SOLD OFF !!!!!”

  353. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2018 8:43 am

    “It gets most of its revenue from taxation NOW because ANYTHING THAT EARNED IT REVENUE WAS SOLD OFF !!!!!””

    Do you have any evidence that there was a time when govt owned companies contributed a significant amount of govt revenue?

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2018 8:58 am

    If a business focuses on shareholder dividends and profit centres … then the customer/client will always be dudded … the focus is not on service …

    I have a long held suspicion that politicians privatise sections of government so that they cannot be held accountable to any “failure” … and benefit monetarily …

    When power was generated as an essential service by state governments, the pricing was structured around cost to generate, maintain and improve …

    Add privatisation to the mix and you now have a profit oriented third party AND shareholders demanding a return on their investment. This leads to shortcutting, skimming, manipulating and downright law breaking … and a higher risk of buying political favours … all for profit …

    And if you can’t see that, simply look at the current royal commission … the Murray/Darling debacle … all about profit any cost (except to the profiteers!)

    I’ve said it before … essential services should be owned and operated by the people ie government … eg water, power, medical/health, education, training …

    … how long before security services are applying for tenders as police … how long before we call in mercenary soldiers and disband the ADF …

    … why bother with a government at all … employ a Council of the People … and select them at random just like juries (that do seem to be effective BTW) …

  355. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2018 9:30 am

    “If a business focuses on shareholder dividends and profit centres … then the customer/client will always be dudded … the focus is not on service ”

    Perhaps. But look at the service provided by privately run airlines compared to govt run Russian airline Aeroflot

    Govt workers have problems as well. They do not care about providing a service if they know they have a permanent job. If they don’t like the colour of the new coffee machine they thrown it out and buy a new one and increase rates or taxes to pay for it. Govt workers do not care about waste because they have secure jobs with unlimited money from the taxpayer

    Why bother with private industry at all then? Just have 100% govt

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2018 11:41 am

    Years ago I worked for one of the privatised companies. Through privatisation I observed it’s culture move from being non responsive to customers and consumer expectations to one that is relatively successful and stable.
    It provides far more jobs now than it did when it was owned by the government.
    Government ownership politicises board appointments and management – ex politicians and hacks make it to boards or executive management and run their political agendas.
    The government can regulate commercial enterprises . It does not have to tie up public funds in owning them.

  357. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2018 12:06 pm

    Most new inventions have good and bad things. Govt running things and private enterprise both have good and bad things. In all things there needs to be a balance somewhere.

    Lefties want more govt. Righties want less govt.

    fact is when a human being gets a govt job they always justify themselves higher wages and working conditions. For example govt workers now get 15.4% Super whereas most people in private enterprise get only 9%

    And when someone in local govt does not like the colour of their coffee machine they order a new one and increase rates to pay for it.

    Nobody in govt should be paid more than the Prime Minister

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2018 1:59 pm

    Why bother with private industry at all then? Just have 100% govt

    Because I’m a capitalist … I ran my own business for 16 years … and serviced my clients pretty well … I believe … I have a simple motto “Provide the service and the dollars will follow” … not seek a profit at all costs and fuck the service …

    Essential services are not the same … they are essential for life … no-one is suggesting that we become communists (don’t go there) … I am, if anything, a social democrat … I believe that services as mentioned above should be available to all … at a fair price – not a “market” price … people should not have to seek out a fair price (many don’t know how) … and capitalist competition is not the way to provide essential services …

    There is a place for privately owned business’s to create a profit … and a place for government monopolies to simply provide services …

    Problem is some people want to privatise everything … and in many cases that has been an abject failure …

    How Aeroflot got into the discussion is beyond me …

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2018 2:00 pm

    The government can regulate commercial enterprises

    Ya reckon? A system is only as good as the people who operate it!

  360. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2018 3:35 pm

    That’s right TB, and the community style banks didn’t seem to cop too much flack in the Royal Commission.

    So it is more about ethical standards than ownership.

    Government ownership results in politicisation of institutions- jobs for hacks and has-beens. Government ownership does not mean good service, just ask anyone who has dealt with public servants

  361. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2018 5:53 pm

    How Aeroflot got into the discussion is beyond me …

  362. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2018 5:54 pm

    I think Aeroflot is govt owned and provides a terrible service

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2018 6:27 pm

    erm … its Russian … do you know what country you are in?

    Ah! Memory serves me you know Russian scientists … do you know which hospital you are in?

  364. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2018 6:45 pm

    I was trying to make the point that in general govt workers do not care about service because they don’t have to. Their jobs are secure

    What really annoys me about govt workers now is that they appear to be better paid than the private sector. They certainly have better Super. 15.4% compared to 9% for most people in private industry. University workers get 17%. Once people get on the govt teat they can always find ways to justify higher benefits

  365. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 3, 2018 6:56 am

    Neil: That almost all businesses get income from the government is not an opinion, it is fact, you obviously are unable to separate fact from opinion. Are you related to Donald Trump ?

    ToM disagree, I have worked on both sides of the fence as well and went through one of the privatisations. When we were publicly owned the service to the public was the paramount thing bashed into us, 2 in a queue get up and serve, staffing numbers were based on customer service matrix, a customer must never be waiting. When we were sold off it all became profit, let the customer wait, unless the queue is out the door keep working and not serving, divert phone calls from branches to a call centre where the staff still have to call the branch to find out the answer, push customers to automated banking whether they wan ti or not. Manipulate interest rates based on so called risk matrix to make as much profit as you can. Bonuses on profit not on service. Of course we had lazy staff, so did all the other private banks, actually even worse who sent anyone who didn’t have a job down to the CBA to open an account. Have you never shopped in Woolies or Coles and seen how lazy so many of the staff are. How indifferent the staff are, how the “How was your day” is so scripted it is fake.

    Public servants are no lazier than private staff. I suppose you think Doctors, Nurses, Teachers, ATO Tax Staff etc etc are all lazy. Actually I find them far more responsive and helpful than many private workers thats for sure.

    TB I agree I am a social democrat as well. Essential services publicly owned. Other services that can be manipulated such as finance to have a government owned body running alongside the private companies just like the CBA did. A CDB for development. Anything that cannot fully manipulate the public can be completely privatised.

    Regulation is a total failure I witnessed it from within.

    Community Style Banks did not cop the flack because the RC had limited powers of investigation and focused on the major complaints and major lending is held by the big 4. I can tell you that the Community Style Banks are no different in their model they are just not an exciting target like the big 4. When it comes to business and rural lending the Community Banks do very little. When the big 4 command almost 90% share of the lending just who do you think will be the headline for the RC.

  366. September 6, 2018 6:34 pm

    “Ah! Memory serves me you know Russian scientists … do you know which hospital you are in?”

    Hahahahahaha!

    My memory recalls same.

    Bizarre confabulations, maketh thee kneel.

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