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Barnaby Joyce lashes out at “traitor” Malcolm Turnbull

August 28, 2018
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Talcum and Rooter in happier times

On today’s episode of I DON’T GIVE A FUCK, former Deputy PM and Nationals Leader Barnaby “rooter” Joyce has taken a swipe at Malcolm Turnbull for resigning from parliament, saying he owes it to the Coalition to stay because otherwise they might lose the next federal election.

Teetering on a one-seat majority, Turnbull’s resignation will force a by-election in the upmarket inner-Sydney Eastern suburbs electorate of Wentworth.

The newly appointed “special envoy for the drought” (whatever the hell that is), made the remark in a round of media appearances coinciding with his national tour to promote his new book “Weatherboard and Iron” which currently has a one star rating over at Angus and Robertson.

Joyce told Channel Seven’s Sunrise program that Turnbull had been elected to “the highest office in the land” which came with a “sense of honour,” suggesting that part of that honour should include continuing to serve constituents in Wentworth after being deposed.

Marriage vows tend to come with a sense of honour and commitment too, yet Barnaby had no qualms about ditching the commitment he made to his wife and kids before shacking up with his shag-muffin and former media adviser Vikki Campion.

The drought has dried up my field of fucks for Barnaby Joyce. But if I had a spare, I’d shove it down his fucking throat.

 

 

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2018 1:16 pm

    It would be great if Abbott and Dutton were “traitors” too!

  2. shaneinqld permalink
    August 28, 2018 1:32 pm

    Funny how Turnbull is the only traitor amongst them all when he is the one that lost his job. I would have thought all those undermining him since the last election are all traitors, after all he did go to an election as the PM and won, albeit with a terribly slim majority. Barnaby claiming some moral high ground in all this is utterly amazing.

  3. August 28, 2018 1:36 pm

    “Barnaby claiming some moral high ground in all this is utterly amazing.”

    Isn’t it just..!

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2018 1:44 pm

    Who would have imagined that the mates of a former Queensland cop might be dumb and incompetent?

  5. August 28, 2018 2:03 pm

    Colour me surprised.

  6. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2018 2:27 pm

    The drought has dried up my field of fucks for Barnaby Joyce. But if I had a spare, I’d shove it down his fucking throat.

    I fucken love Poetree

  7. August 29, 2018 12:34 am

    “Talcum and Rooter in happier times”

    * snigger

  8. August 29, 2018 12:40 am

    Matching cheesecloth!

    “The drought has dried up my field of fucks for Barnaby Joyce. But if I had a spare, I’d shove it down his fucking throat.”

    I wish I’d written that. It’s almost verbatim the kind of retributive word spears flourishing in me own brainbox.

  9. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2018 9:05 am

    It’s almost verbatim the kind of retributive word spears flourishing in me own brainbox.

    Now if only meta would pop in some of his wordells my day would be complete 🙂

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2018 2:43 pm

    Some locals who have voted for Mr Abbott in the past could barely hide their anger at their MP’s involvement in last week’s chaotic events and told news.com.au they didn’t want to vote for him again.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/how-warringah-voters-feel-about-tony-abbott/news-story/8f9b66aeba71cbad5dfe88a6ac230689

    Good. Abbott should do everyone a favour and just f*** off.

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2018 2:57 pm

    And speaking of former leaders… the ALP barracjers get at least a third of their choices hopelessly wrong… here’s today’s example-

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/no-mean-feat-latham-s-extraordinary-defamation-defence-thrown-out-20180830-p500p4.html

    The rational and reliable Mark Latham

  12. Russia`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    August 30, 2018 7:57 pm

    My sentiments exactly. Too bad barney wasn`t bent over and impregnated ‘live’ for viewers. Where`s poodle when we need him??

    ___

    l notice on the previous thread; the inhouse imbecile herd are stridently denying reality; l won`t tell them that newcastleUni is testing their printed flexible solarPanel on their buildings. The cost is ten bucks a square meter. The short odd bet is this will be available well before the teabags can build a new coal burner or have finished mangling snowy.

  13. August 31, 2018 8:36 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2018 9:04 am

    There really isn’t going to be enough popcorn to go around, is there

    Cabinet minister Michaelia Cash has become the latest target of the payback culture inside the Liberal Party, after allegations emerged that she declined to provide a witness statement to the Australian Federal Police investigating the leaking of a union raid from within her office.

    https://www.afr.com/news/michaelia-cash-declined-to-give-afp-statement-on-union-raids-fresh-claims-20180829-h14pks

  15. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2018 9:36 am

    Heh this is the sort of pettiness I can get behind.

    Words of wisdom 🙂

  16. September 1, 2018 12:27 am

    “Cabinet minister Michaelia Cash has become the latest target of the payback culture inside the Liberal Party, after allegations emerged that she declined to provide a witness statement to the Australian Federal Police investigating the leaking of a union raid from within her office.”

    A little song,
    A little dance,
    Michaelia’s head on a lance…

    The abuse of power should be curtailed hard to stop successive ‘ministers’ from trying to play that game for political gain…

  17. September 1, 2018 12:40 am

    Anyone else been watching this?

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2018 2:37 pm

    Melbourne’s population reaches 5mill today – I think that’s about enough in the present housing structure.

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2018 2:37 pm

    …and thanks HD, but Nasking would have put up 40 or 50 videos

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2018 3:44 pm

    But didn’t we ruin Nasking journalistic rise to fame? They even got fed up with him at the “other place”

  21. September 2, 2018 4:01 pm

    “But didn’t we ruin Nasking journalistic rise to fame?”

    Apparently I’m personally responsible for destroying what was, at the time, his imminent career in journalism.

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 2, 2018 5:33 pm

    “In other words – “we’re all doomed”

    I hope interest rates go up. I am sick of getting bugger all on my term deposits And it might stop people investing in property forcing up prices

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2018 8:08 pm

    I am sick of getting bugger all on my term deposits

    GUFFAW!

    Shane … no advice — please! 😉

  24. shaneinqld permalink
    September 3, 2018 6:58 am

    TB Couldn’t be bothered, no matter what I typed Neil would not believe it, it needs to be posted on the LNP website for Neil to believe it.

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2018 8:07 am

    Nailed it, shane! Again.

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 3, 2018 8:43 am

    After years of reading posts I do not believe anything a leftie says. Also I have never seen such hatred from people. Reading posts at the Guardian makes me physically sick.

    The economy is doing OK. Unemployment is lower than any time under Hawke/Keating. I would hate to see the posts at the Guardian if unemployment was at 11% like it was when Keating became PM

  27. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2018 9:46 am

    I do hope he keeps it up !

  28. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2018 9:47 am

    What sort of moron gets his kids to do that ?

  29. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2018 10:13 am

    What, paste a stream of “40 or 50” twitter tweets?

    Nasking?

  30. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2018 10:20 am

    Scroll down to Sep 2 2018

    Charming father……………………

    As I said I hope he gets plenty of airtime

  31. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2018 10:40 am

    As I said I hope he gets plenty of airtime

    MeToo

    Hopefully, they can compare a few swear words with the trauma of having had your father dragged from his car by a cadre of armed pigs, with his kids in it, on trumped up, politically motivated charges.

    And you get upset over sweary. For FUCKS Sake!

  32. September 3, 2018 12:43 pm

    I think you mean “For FUCK’S Sake!”

    #justsaying

  33. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2018 1:21 pm

    “I think you mean “For FUCK’S Sake!””

    Thug’s dont’ care!

  34. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2018 1:41 pm

    “And you get upset over sweary.”

    LOL…….Yeah right………………uses his kids to fight on his behalf.

    What a tough guy ……………………………fucking coward he is !

  35. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2018 2:02 pm

    fucking coward he is !

    wow, a week ago, he was a thug intimidating people, now he’s a coward

    get’s dizzy keeping up sometimes 😉

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2018 5:02 pm

    … fucking coward he is ! Yoda speak?

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2018 5:03 pm

    I think I just found rebs new banner 🙂

    For yourself you are speaking?

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2018 6:32 pm

    National Australia Bank has hit back at allegations at the banking royal commission that it mistreated its superannuation customers arguing it did not owe them an “overarching obligation” to act in their interests.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/nab-cba-hit-back-at-claims-they-engaged-in-criminal-conduct-20180903-p501fi.html

    Surely it would be “common-sense” … and whatever happened to duty of care?

    Did someone here mention “service” v profit?

  39. September 3, 2018 9:56 pm

    “”I think I just found rebs new banner””

    😆 😆

  40. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 4, 2018 4:47 am

    Farmers use their kids to fight on their behalf all the time when they protest. Their kids were at the ditch the witch rally as well. Whats the difference ?

  41. shaneinqld permalink
    September 4, 2018 6:52 am

    Morrison wants to deregister the CFMEU for involving children. Is he going to Deregister the NFF for involving children as well or are the rules different for the supporters of the LNP?

  42. shaneinqld permalink
    September 4, 2018 7:25 am

    Fucking hilarious, when there is threats and intimidation in the LNP against their MPs it is called robust conversations. When there is intimidation or threats from a union it is bullying and thuggery. If the CFMEU gets deregistered then the LNP needs to be deregistered as well. Honestly does the LNP have anything ?, ANYTHING ????? other than to blame unions and the ALP. In one breath they claim unions are dying as they represent so few workers, in the next breath the unions are the root of all evil with massive influence. Do they even believe their own bullshit ?

  43. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2018 8:55 am

    Do they even believe their own bullshit ?

    They don’t need to. They just need voters to.

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2018 8:59 am

    Yes, I think there are better reasons to deregister the CFMEU than John Setka being a dickhead with his kids.

    And really Shane, people take their kids to political rallies all the time, there is nothing wrong with that. But to get your kid – a toddler – hold a sign that contains offensive language is just outrageously irresponsible. But that just shows what a f**kwit Setka is,

  45. shaneinqld permalink
    September 4, 2018 9:16 am

    ToM

    The word Fuck is used all over the place now and is allowed even on TV after 7.30pm. The actual word was not spelt as fuck either. So a child holding a card with ditch the witch against our PM is ok but one saying F*ck off isn’t.

  46. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2018 9:29 am

    AAAAH

    Children know the word FUCK

    But having their dad dragged from the car by armed pigs in a political stitch up. Silence

    btw, the sign said Fu#k (or similar) There is a store in town emblazoned by it’s name Fukc Get a grip

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2018 9:33 am

    No Shane, using a toddler – who probably can’t read yet in this way is not acceptable (in my view)

    I’d object to it regardless of the politics –

    Was a child holding a ditch the witch sign? In any event,

    I might be old fashioned, but I think telling someone to F*** Off is more offensive, and Setka is teaching his kids of typical CFMEU behaviour at an early opportunity.

  48. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2018 9:55 am

    Hey yomm

    F*** Off

    🙂

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2018 9:59 am

    Are you a toddler? I thought so!

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2018 10:08 am

    … even on TV after 7.30pm …

    Actually 24/7 now, shane … I’ve winced through a couple of lunch time D Grade films …

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    No Shane, using a toddler – who probably can’t read yet in this way is not acceptable (in my view)

    “Then, ya, need ta take a spoonful of cement and toughen up …” Alan Jones (AlJo?)

    Funny how LNP supporters play ping pong with their feelings … and probably other things too …

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2018 10:39 am

    Really TB… I think I’ve posted plentyy of comments about Jones and the stupidity of the Liberals.

    But… it’s interesting that you as a father and grandfather have chosen not to criticise encouraging kids to use abusive language

  52. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2018 10:40 am

    So, is yomm happy about our pm playing politics with his kids, and attacking safe schools at the same time?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/03/scott-morrison-sends-his-children-to-private-school-to-avoid-skin-curling-sexuality-discussions

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2018 11:21 am

    No, I think it is up to parents to choose the education for their kids.

    And as I’ve said – there are better reasons to deregister the CFMEU than Setka being a dickhead with his kids, but if Setka chooses to get his toddlers to use abusive language in the public domain for publicity purposes, people will comment on that.

  54. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2018 11:25 am

    people will comment on that.

    AAAUUGGHHH

    Now you’re “commenting” ROFL

    Stupidly too one might note 😉

  55. September 4, 2018 2:37 pm

    I think the Union official concerned has already apologised for the tweet.

    And as far as using kids for political purposes is concerned, it might be worth keeping in mind that it was one ill-considered tweet.

    I mean, it’s not like he’s been locking kids up indefinitely in offshore gulags where they’re setting fire to themselves out of sheer anguish and desperation.

    If anything, I would’ve thought that YoM would be castigating Setka for being a bit of a light weight in that respect.

  56. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2018 3:31 pm

    context

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2018 4:20 pm

    But… it’s interesting that you as a father and grandfather have chosen not to criticise encouraging kids to use abusive language

    I haven’t … but I will criticise hypocrisy when I see it … the “results” of the RC on Unions demonstrated blind ideology … keep pushing folk and eventually … for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction (unless the lawmakers are on one side) …

    The most successful IR government was Hawke/Keating and the Accords … how it should be done … communication, discussion, negotiation and agreement by all parties … I doubt anyone would say the current mob ensconced on government benches are capable of any of the stages above … and if they were that they could stick to an agreement for longer than a couple of months …

    And why the LNP call for so many reports is beyond me … they rarely enact the Recommendations … why waste all that money … and time … and productivity …

    I think I’ve posted plenty of comments about the CFMEU* and the stupidity of the Liberals.

    Not my favourite union … but I have also seen them work hard (without biff) for their members and hold employers accountable for a variety of IR and WHS issues …

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2018 4:24 pm

    No, I think it is up to parents to choose the education for their kids.

    So do I … as long as THEY foot the bill …

    State schools are as capable as their private school counterparts … if you want to have your kids believe in fairytales send them to Sunday School … and BTW keep your fkn chaplains away from state schools with their hidden meanings and “christianity” covertly introduced …

    See the hypocrisy … again …

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2018 4:40 pm

    I mean, it’s not like he’s been locking kids up indefinitely in offshore gulags where they’re setting fire to themselves out of sheer anguish and desperation.
    If anything, I would’ve thought that YoM would be castigating Setka for being a bit of a light weight in that respect.

    So am I supposed to start all my comments with – “By the way, I don’t think indefinite detention of children is a great policy”…???

    I suppose I’ll have to figure out whether I put that at the start of end of each comment, yes even when we’re just talking about the issues that arise day to day.

  60. September 4, 2018 4:46 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  61. September 4, 2018 4:48 pm

    “I suppose I’ll have to figure out whether I put that at the start of end of each comment, yes even when we’re just talking about the issues that arise day to day.”

    I think a spoiler alert at the end would be just fine.

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2018 4:50 pm

    Luv it …

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 4, 2018 8:33 pm

    “context”

    Labor locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013. How many kiddies do you think you will lock up next time? Only sickoes would lock up 8,000 kiddies

  64. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 5, 2018 7:31 am

    Very rare do I cut and paste another persons comments or make a comment this long but this comment from Robert Davie pretty much sums up everything I have been saying for years. I have cut and paste his comment and hope he is happy with me doing so.

    “As industries and jobs have left our shores an increasing tax burden has fallen on the shoulders of those businesses and workers who are still producing. This has forced up both the cost of living and the cost of doing business in this country as the three levels of government seek funds through increasing taxation to cover their responsibilities. For example, state governments in the past funded local councils but, in recent years that finding has declined and councils have increased their rates to make up the difference. This is an example of the growing taxation burden experienced by homeowners as an increase in their cost of living.

    At the same time, big business have then used their political influence to shift their tax burden away from themselves and on to workers and the community, who experience this as a reduction in public spending on benefits and services through the loss of this taxation revenue followed by an increase in taxation upon themselves as described above, further increasing the cost of living for the community.

    As the cost of living rises consumer spending declines resulting in reduced employment conditions and lower wages which, in turn, result in reduced discretionary spending in the retail, hospitality and trades sector of the economy where most people are employed. This becomes a feedback cycle, hence the stubbornly low inflation level.

    Total tax collected from individuals by all levels of government in 2015-2016 was $464 724 million or $464.724 billion as shown by the ABS at http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/5506.0

    Total tax collected from Corporate Australia in 2015-2016 was $38 209 498 144 or $38.209 billion as can be found at https://data.gov.au/dataset/corporate-transparency/resource/b84c2b8d-c595-4219-987d-fc1add7f00f0?view_id=d693b8f3-d00e-422d-92ce-a1d24fcb9563

    Given that we citizens contributed $464.7 billion dollars in tax in 2015-2016 while big business only contributed $38.2 billion, why should big business be given a tax cut?

    Big business paid 7.6% of all taxes paid. How is that reasonable?

    What about our schools, hospitals, defence and other expenses we must meet? No wonder the cost of living has got out of hand in this country as the tax burden of big business has been transferred onto the shoulders of the community.

    Australians should be reaping the benefits of the wealth of this land such as its natural gas and minerals. Politicians from both Labor and the LNP need to explain why this country can sell 100 cubic litres of natural gas for$800 million while Qatar can sell the same quantity for $27 billion? “…. when both countries are each forecast to export roughly 100bn cubic metres of LNG, Australia’s government is expected to receive just $800m in PRRT revenues, while Qatar’s government is expected to receive $26.6bn in royalties.” https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/11/fears-australia-losing-billions-in-liquefied-natural-gas-tax-sparks-calls-for-inquiry
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/staggering-90-billion-lost-in-resources-tax-20180305-p4z2uv.html

    Struggling to raise taxes has even led governments to open up property sales to foreign buyers who have pushed up prices to such an extent that our own young are now locked out of home ownership. While governments enjoy the benefit of increased stamp duty returns from this strategy, the community experiences this practice as a detrimental cost of living increase.”

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 5, 2018 9:26 am

    Shane

    Everybody knows that small business is the biggest employer of people in Australia.so therefore would pay more tax than big busienss

    And if people want the govt to run a surplus budget so our debt does not reach dangerous levels we need to cut govt spending. That is how Howard/Costello ran surplus budgets

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2018 11:36 am

    Who would have thought that Trump is a f***wit and his own CoS thinks that!
    A surprise to all.
    An upcoming book by Washington journalist Bob Woodward says President Donald Trump’s chief of staff privately called him an “idiot” and presidential aides stole sensitive documents from Trump’s desk to stop him from making damaging trade and national security decisions.
    An advanced copy of the 448-page book, titled Fear, was obtained by The Washington Post. It paints a harrowing portrait of the Trump presidency, based on in-depth interviews with administration officials and other principals.

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/crazytown-trump-s-chief-of-staff-privately-called-him-idiot-explosive-new-book-claims-20180905-p501rm.html
    ————–
    By the way, I don’t think indefinite detention of children is a great policy

  67. September 5, 2018 12:48 pm

    LOL @ YoM… 🙂 🙂

  68. September 5, 2018 12:49 pm

    “this comment from Robert Davie pretty much sums up everything I have been saying for years.”

    Totally agree.

    Or as the GFC proved; “capitalism for profits, socialism for losses.”

  69. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2018 1:20 pm

    GREED IS GOOD!

  70. September 5, 2018 1:39 pm

    That’s the Hillsong mantra.

  71. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2018 2:35 pm

    Do hillsong whisperer in Tongues?

    https://junkee.com/scott-morrison-gender-whisperer/174136

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2018 3:03 pm

    Shane …

    I prefer to support our society … not feed the LNP economy

    If GDP is up and company profits are up why are wages stagnant/falling?

    ‘Tis a plan by the Robber Barons to return the peasants to their rightful place … supported of course by the Church …

  73. Russia`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    September 5, 2018 4:05 pm

    I agree with robert davie and shane. l would also add that at least ‘half’ of the consumerBase is also starvedOut of the economy, and/or on ‘credit’ to the hilt, which means there is no bang-for-buck when any govt spending does occur.

  74. Russia`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    September 5, 2018 4:13 pm

    Funny to see slomo dump the teabags work till ya drop ideals too. Already trying to flee their ‘greatest’ policy ever. Must be a total disapointment for ‘ouch’ to see slave-like conditions being abandoned.

    _____

    Yes, lm still enjoying theRonald circus.

  75. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 5, 2018 8:48 pm

    “I prefer to support our society … not feed the LNP economy”

    The society you supported locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013. You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    How many people do you plan to lock up next time TB of Queensland?

  76. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 6, 2018 6:18 am

    Jesus fucking Christ Neil.
    The ALP admit that they got border protection wrong. They have stated time and again that the current border protection policies will not change, although they will be more transparent in their operations.
    Both sides of politics have gotten things wrong. I could harp ON and Fucking ON like you do on boat people, about Howard sending us to war in Iraq for non existent Weapons of Mass Destruction, the decimation of the dairy industry by Howard and many more terrible decisions made by the LNP (or the ALP for that matter) but I accept that is now history and only use those in context if the debate relates to those issues.
    Both sides of politics back-flip just like Morrison back flipping on retirement age especially given the arsehole politicians can retire very young AND earn as much as they like while getting taxpayer funded pensions the thieving pricks.
    Just to let you know, if you mention boat people and 5,000 and locked them up,I will truly never respond to any of your comments again, let go or blame the ALP for something else for a change, or for Christs sake talk about something else for at least a week, or use that argument only when we are talking about immigration or border protection, your answer to anything and every fucking things is 5,000 boat people locked up (especially when you cannot argue the actual topic being discussed) it is truly boring and just shows how ignorant, stubborn and partisan you are.
    To the rest of you please excuse the language but I am sick to death of one thing coming out of his mouth to argue any topic we ever cover simply because he cannot debate the topic under discussion. He uses exactly the same comment at the Guardian at me and everyone else consistently no matter what the topic and then wonders why people give up commenting.

  77. shaneinqld permalink
    September 6, 2018 6:40 am

    TB

    Yes I agree, wages are stagnant because unions have been decimated by the LNP. There is no bargaining power,strikes are virtually illegal in our so called democracy but lock outs and workplace deaths are common place. The pendulum has swung so far to the right it is stuck.

    The young have no future as they are casualised and lose benefit after benefit and right after right as an employee. They are not aware of what has been lost over the last 30 years but those of us who had those benefits and saw them all whittled away by stealth and claims of inability to pay while making bigger profits for the top are aware.

    Funny thing is the LNP seem to hate the unemployed, but the problem for them now is that the age of the unemployed is becoming older as employers sack their older and permanent staff and employ juniors on lower rates of pay. Apparently over 40% of the unemployed are now aged over 40, and that age and over is the biggest demographic that vote LNP.

    One of my new clients has worked for KMart for over 15 years and she told me they are actively removing and getting rid of their older ( she is one of them) staff who were recruited as full time to employing juniors ( she said down to the age of 13) as casuals. So the loss of 50 full timers and the recruiting of 100 casuals actually skews the unemployment rate and makes it look better when in fact it is worse because all of the casuals will probably need government assistance to top up their meagre wages and obtain a health benefit card as they earn so little. So K Mart makes more profit, unemployment rate is skewed, and it now costs us tax payers money to support the underemployed. It makes no sense to me.

  78. Walrus permalink
    September 6, 2018 10:53 am

    “”………wages are stagnant because unions have been decimated by the LNP.””

    One word……………………..Bullshit

    The ALP brought in the FWA

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    September 6, 2018 11:04 am

    Gillard’s “consolidation” of unions was never a good idea either … unions would always ally with other unions with mutual issues … these days they are all lumped together with no choice … no right to strike and very little input into awards …

    One word……………………..Bullshit

    There has been an ongoing war against all unions by the LNP for as long as I can remember … unless they are “professional unions” like the CPA … if you don’t want to see that … its NMFP …

    Without unions the IR pendulum will stay jammed in the right side of the clock!

    Just what the LNP works for standing still …

    Unions are the product of poor management … something voters are seeing n the LNP every day … in so many ways …

  80. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2018 11:43 am

    The ALP brought in the FWA

    It’s not the FWA, it’s the slack rules it now operates under (or lack thereof), and organisations like the ABCC with extreme rules for Unions

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-06/royal-hobart-hospital-redevelopment-plasterers-walk-off-the-job/10207316?pfmredir=sm

  81. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2018 11:52 am

    jbishop shows her hypocrisy

  82. Walrus permalink
    September 6, 2018 12:13 pm

    “”………….please watch @JuliaGillard’s misogyny speech…………”

    You mean Gillard’s “Peter Slipper look over there speech”

  83. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2018 1:08 pm

    You mean Gillard’s “Peter Slipper look over there speech”

    Yes, the one that highlighted the libs hypocrisy towards slipper, which has now been exposed for even the blindest (looking at you 😉 )

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    September 6, 2018 2:21 pm

    … exposed for even the blindest (looking at you 😉 ) …

    He can’t see anyfing … init?

  85. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2018 3:07 pm

    “At the end of the day, even though Charlie and Jack weren’t union affiliated, the only support we received was from the CFMEU.”

    https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/5621235/families-of-delacombe-trench-victims-take-emotional-plea-to-canberra/

    Bloody CFMEU!**

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    September 6, 2018 6:03 pm

    Bloody Liberals!*

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    September 6, 2018 6:04 pm

    Oh! Bloody Labor!*

  88. September 6, 2018 6:24 pm

    ” typical CFMEU behaviour at an early opportunity.”

    Except, it’s not typical behaviour at all.

    I personally know hundreds of CFMMEU Members, and I can’t think of one who would use their young children like that (although I understand Setka’s sentiment…his arrest proved to be a political exercise and amounted to fuck all, from memory).

    So, rather than ‘typical’ CFMMEU behaviour, at best it’s the aberrant behaviour of a single CFMMEU Official being highlighted (for undeniable political expedience & the ultimate ‘LookOverThere’ while the current government flounders) in this case.

  89. September 6, 2018 6:37 pm

    ” there are better reasons to deregister the CFMEU than Setka being a dickhead with his kids, but if Setka chooses to get his toddlers to use abusive language in the public domain for publicity purposes, people will comment on that.”

    De-registry of the CFMMEU would be a fraught, blatant politically partisan act of desperation, at this point; but the gist of this comment is reasonable.

  90. September 6, 2018 6:41 pm

    “State schools are as capable as their private school counterparts”

    Indeed.

    My own attended the local public High School. Able to get a near perfect ATAR; UMAT results out today…proud household here. Didn’t give the Catholic Education Monolith one red fucking cent.

  91. September 6, 2018 6:46 pm

    “and BTW keep your fkn chaplains away from state schools with their hidden meanings and “christianity” covertly introduced ”

    One of my pet hates.

    I personally had to fight against an opt out system for student attending christian band events etc (under the guise of youth counselling) at said public High School; organised by the fucking ‘school chaplain’ of course.
    To be clear, at a public school, it was set up (until I vigorously objected through the school council) so that attendance at this travelling christian band was compulsory unless you opted your child OUT .
    Seriously, what the fuck?!

  92. September 6, 2018 6:49 pm

    “wages are stagnant because unions have been decimated by the LNP. There is no bargaining power,strikes are virtually illegal in our so called democracy but lock outs and workplace deaths are common place. The pendulum has swung so far to the right it is stuck.”

    Sad and true.

  93. September 6, 2018 6:52 pm

    “It’s not the FWA, it’s the slack rules it now operates under (or lack thereof), and organisations like the ABCC with extreme rules for Unions.”

    Indeed.

    But that will hopefully change in the near future, seeing as how the idiot government is gifting Unions a probable landslide. Yay.

  94. September 6, 2018 6:53 pm

    Strong Unions are a societal imperative.

  95. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2018 7:07 pm

    TB

    I doubt there have been any cuts to the ABC. perhaps their funding has not been increased. But we have a budget deficit. The ABC for most Coalition voters is just a taxpayer funded arm for the Labor Party. The fact that ALP voter support the ABC so much proves that

    Fact is we were debt free in 2007 but now we have runaway debt. Without govt spending cuts there will be no budget surplus and our foreign debt will continue to increase

  96. September 6, 2018 7:13 pm

    “I doubt there have been any cuts to the ABC.”

    G U F F A W !

    Of course you do. You’d doubt that the Earth is a sperical astrological body, if’n a ‘leftist’ said it was so.

    Arsehat.

  97. September 6, 2018 7:13 pm

    *spherical

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2018 7:29 pm

    OK give me a link.

    But there should be cuts. If I was PM and had the numbers there would be a 5% cut to all govt depts. If that did not get the budget back into surplus I would increase the cuts to 10%

  99. September 6, 2018 7:53 pm

    “But there should be cuts. ”

    Hmmm. Not quite the same as “I doubt there have been any cuts to the ABC.”

    Rather less definitive.

    Dare I say,dealing with wants, rather than actualities; Kneel Bolt.

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2018 8:03 pm

    OK give me a link. Where there any cuts to the ABC or where there just stops to further spending increases?

    But if I was PM and had the numbers there would be 5% cuts to all govt departments eg ABC. defence, social security, health whatever.

    If that did not get the budget back into surplus there would be further cuts

  101. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 7, 2018 6:47 am

    Neil

    ABC, Health, Social Security have all been cut in terms of inflation costs, almost every election which you call a stop to spending increase and every other living person calls it a cut because the increase no longer covers the CPI increase. Smoke and mirrors and lies and deception by politicians and you seem to only believe one set of lies and deception.

    Go back to your LNP and ask them for an immediate halt to any increases in expenditure for the next 3 years for
    Defence
    MPs Allowances
    MPs Overseas Trips
    MPs Accommodation gift of $290 cash per night
    MPs Flights
    MPs Cheap already parliamentary meals
    Outsourced Contracts
    Media Staff who are trolls on the internet for the MPs
    Chaplains in State Schools (should never ever be in there)

    The list is endless of where they could share the pain, but they only attack a few areas and those areas are where their petty ideology is focused.

    If the arseholes lead by example then some of us would understand. If they actually shared the pain.

    The only party that has frozen MPs salaries and conditions is the ALP and they do it far too rarely as well.
    Campbell Newmann presided over a 40% increase in MPs fucking salaries ( it was reduced to 9% after a massive outcry) while slashing and burning the state under a claim of being broke. Are you even remotely capable of understanding how wrong that is.

    If a budget, spouting increases to a department, that are less than inflation, which forces that department to cut its services, as it can no longer cover those services it provides now, due to inflation, is some sort of actual increase or not cost cutting, is just utter garbage.

  102. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2018 8:51 am

    Strong Unions are a societal imperative.

    Which is why the libs are doing all they can to destroy them.

    OK give me a link.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-19/abc-funding-cuts-announced-by-malcolm-turnbull/5902774

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/government-defends-abc-budget-cuts

    For what it is worth

  103. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2018 9:06 am

  104. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 7, 2018 9:28 am

    TomR

    Your second link says it was a funding freeze. But if we want the budget to get back to surplus so our foreign debt does not keep increasing we need spending cuts yesterday. That is how Howard got the budget back into surplus after Hawke/Keating had trashed the budget

  105. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2018 9:41 am

    Your second link says it was a funding freeze.

    Yea, a funding freeze, after years of cuts

    fyi, a “funding freeze” is a cut you tool

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2018 10:07 am

    That is how Howard got the budget back into surplus

    That was the MINING BOOM ya twit!

    They are wrong and the nostalgia is misplaced. Howard failed conservatives as well as the rest of us. But he doled out so much cash that few noticed.

    https://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/dont-be-nostalgic-for-john-howard-he-was-a-bigspending-biggovernment-pm-20170518-gw7lkv

  107. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 7, 2018 10:23 am

    TB

    Howard got the budget back into surplus within 12 months of winning govt by cutting spending. The economic conditions were the same as when keating produced his last deficit budget with unemployment at 8%. Howard ran surplus budgets, his last being $20B in 2007. If they were any bigger there would have been a riot.

    And the mining boom did not start until 2004 but exploded from 2008-2013 ie under Rudd/Gillard

    http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/commodity-prices.html

  108. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2018 10:28 am

    A surplus is just an example of over taxing

    howard excelled at it

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 7, 2018 11:26 am

    So Howard overtaxed? If true so what? He ran surplus budgets which mean our foreign debt was not increasing. But Howard was running surplus budgets within 12 months of winning govt by cutting spending.

    You just cannot admit the Howard govt was a good govt

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2018 12:02 pm

    Strong Unions that comply with the law are a societal imperative.

  111. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2018 1:03 pm

    that comply with the law

    yea, laws written by a grubmint who took their own unprotected industrial action because they couldn’t work WITH THEMSELVES!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-21/have-the-right-to-strike-laws-gone-too-far/8370980

  112. September 7, 2018 2:24 pm

    Just in case your were left in any doubt that Tony Abbott isn’t living in a parallel universe…

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/politics/tony-abbott/bizarre-twitter-post-from-tony-abbott-on-anniversary-of-his-government-ng-b88953438z

  113. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2018 3:18 pm

    lol reb

    Have I missed a spill?

    #ATMA

    🙂

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2018 3:54 pm

    Still chuckling … right thru some very clever replies … TNX sreb! 🙂

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2018 4:09 pm

    Pentecostal leaders have warned their congregation that “darkness” will spread across Australia and Christians will be persecuted if Scott Morrison does not win the next election.

    Others have been told that Morrison’s rise to power was a “miracle of God” that answered three days of prayer and fasting. They have been told that Morrison has made a public stand for Christian freedoms, and has promised to keep doing so, so God intervened to ensure he beat the home affairs minister, Peter Dutton, in the Liberal leadership spill.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/07/darkness-coming-if-scott-morrison-not-re-elected-pentecostal-leader-claims

    NO! NO! A thousand times fkn NO!

    SloMo is already prancing about like his preacher … the body language “mirroring” is so bleeding obvious … I just can’t find a vid of his Liberal Party “sermon” …

    What is also obvious is that there is a movement by the christian churches to control a secular government … if one religion can, why not others …

    Religion has no place in the government, in the workplace and especially in schools …

  116. September 7, 2018 4:23 pm

    Can I get an Amen…?

  117. September 7, 2018 4:23 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2018 4:35 pm

    Can I get an Amen…?

    Sure … $50 each … send a self addressed, stamped envelope to … Faith For Australians PO Box 6004, Kingston ACT 2604*.

    You’ve already got amen – haven’t you? 🙂

    *c/o Liberal Party Australia

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2018 4:52 pm

    Just in case your were left in any doubt that Tony Abbott isn’t living in a parallel universe…

    I think you mean “you”

  120. September 7, 2018 6:21 pm

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Blatant endorsement of offshore detention of children!

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2018 6:31 pm

    I think you mean “you”
    ————–
    By the way, I don’t think indefinite detention of children is a great policy

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2018 6:34 pm

    think you mean “you”

    We wouldn’t mind, ToM, if you were grammatically perfick yersel’ …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Blatant endorsement of offshore detention of children!

    Oh, yes! … ToM personally signed each detention order … to ensure grammatic authenticity … ToM is responsible for 8,000 children … and being a Mexican he must be loaded (have you seen the price of HOMES in Meburn? … we should start a Change.og petition for his monetary support support! (I’m sure Neel will donate)

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2018 3:19 pm

    “That was the MINING BOOM ya twit!”

    TomR says it was Howard taxing the crap out of people why Howard got the budget back into surplus. You say it was due to the mining boom which did not start until 2004 even though Howard produced his first budget surplus in 2007. It is amazing the lengths lefties go to suppress the truth.

    TB you locked up 50,000 boat people last time. How many next time do you plan to lock up?

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2018 4:07 pm

    Just one … guess who?

  125. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2018 4:16 pm

    TB

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

  126. September 8, 2018 4:37 pm

    Kneel killed Iraqi civilians.

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2018 6:04 pm

    And 3,000,000 Vietnamese civilians … and 478 Australian soldiers and 143 National Servicemen two of them my mates! (Actually ALL of them) …

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    TB

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    And WTF have you ever done!

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2018 6:05 pm

    Creepy little shit!

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2018 8:10 pm

    “Kneel killed Iraqi civilians.”

    I take your point. If it was an illegal was I am partly responsible because I voted for Howard. But I have not heard to many Iraqi people complain that the Americans/British got rid of Saddam

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2018 10:39 pm

    ?>?

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 9, 2018 10:22 am

    TB. You finally said something intelligent

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2018 11:49 am

    Finally figured out who Neel is!

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/Gerard%20Henderson

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2018 2:27 pm

    SERENA Williams’ shocking US Open loss to Naomi Osaka left a bad taste in a lot of mouths and as much as most of the world’s Serena superfans don’t want to admit, it was almost entirely the 23-time champion’s fault.

    Yes, Serena Williams often shows a lot of poor sporting behaviour on the court and this time she completely allowed her self indulgence to overshadow the sensational game of a 20 year old.

    Her behaviour was disgraceful and with regard to her claims of sexism – when was the last time Federer, Nadal or Djokovic used such abuse?

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/serena-williams-camp-should-be-ashamed-after-ruining-naomi-osakas-us-open-fairytale/news-story/19bfa5e39fadd88e54a0ddd217c37816

  134. September 9, 2018 8:08 pm

    (Finally figured out who Neel is!

    A pedantic ABC-stalker, like Gerard, might have noticed this LEFTIE LIE:

    “A slide into what economists call “dis-saving” — and everyone else knows as spending more than you earn — is rare, but not unprecedented.

    Australian households spent a large part of the early 2000’s “dis-saving”, much to the chagrin of then-Reserve Bank governor Ian Macfarlane.”)

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2018 9:29 pm

    A slide into what economists call “dis-saving”

    And no-one wins, M, not even those of us who save for almost a lifetime, we keep on having to pay the piper for the spendthrifts … and particularly for the actions of Robber Barons in the financial sector …

  136. September 9, 2018 10:06 pm

    “I have not heard to many Iraqi people complain that the Americans/British got rid of Saddam”

    Maybe ask a few what they thought/think of the score settling & political vacuum left in the (ongoing) aftermath?

  137. September 9, 2018 10:08 pm

    Also, the ‘Americans’ were more than happy to support Saddam when he indulged their proxy campaign against Iran.

    Wise up.

  138. September 9, 2018 10:21 pm

    “I take your point. If it was an illegal was I am partly responsible because I voted for Howard. ”

    Not really. I was merely trying to illustrate the absurdity of you directly blaming individuals here for what you presume to be the way they vote.

    Politicians, by and large, don’t couch their pre-election self promotions in terms of gritty consequences. They are much more ambiguous and impenetrable than that; by design.

    Your absolute pronouncements attributing ultimate responsibility are ludicrous.

    My hyperbolic assertion is just a good example of how we can all play that game…and how it negates meaningful argument.

  139. September 9, 2018 10:23 pm

    Of course, if you are true to form, we will now descend into a pissing contest measured whose voting rendered the greater body count…all the way back through recorded history, possibly?

  140. September 9, 2018 10:27 pm

    “Gerard, might have noticed this LEFTIE LIE:”

    Perhaps Gerard & Andrew drink each other’s bath water?

    Perhaps ‘we’ are measuring ‘our’ ‘success’ as a Nation incorrectly (certainly unsustainably)?

  141. September 9, 2018 11:53 pm

    This is Dick, for Kneel…no warloving nostalgia going on here at all…

  142. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 10, 2018 6:01 am

    I still say I have not heard too many Iraqi people say there are upset the British/Americans got rid of Sadam

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2018 8:04 am

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  144. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2018 10:51 am

    Can I get an Amen…?

    Sorry for the late reply 😉

  145. September 10, 2018 6:32 pm

    “At the other end of the backbench sat the Abbott ministry in exile.

    There was the former prime minister himself, Tony Abbott, and next to him was former minister Kevin Andrews.

    In front of them and to their right, in the space reserved for Nationals MPs, sat Barnaby Joyce, the former party leader and deputy PM.

    On the front bench was Peter Dutton, the challenger who ousted his rival but still failed to get his job.”

    I don’t think they’re fooling too many people…probably not even Kneel…

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2018 6:53 pm

    …probably not even Kneel…

    Aw c’mon!

    Don’t you mean … Gerard?

  147. Wear`is`my`Teabag permalink
    September 11, 2018 9:24 am

    This week; the inHouse crowd would not have noticed; 1. that dropping buckets of cement randomly from cranes in boltsville can be lethal; or 2. koala numbers expected to lower until 2050.

    On a long enough timeline; the survival rate for everybody falls to zero.

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2018 11:04 am

    I think you meant … Wear`is`my`Teabag

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2018 11:11 am

    WHERE is my Teabag

    (phone call distraction!)

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2018 10:21 am

    Alan Jones has to pay $3.7 mill for defamation. Good.
    I don’t even care what it’s about, it’s just great that the c*** has to cough up serious money for running off at the mouth.

  151. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 10:33 am

    Mark Knight should cough up too, just for being a fuckwit

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2018 11:20 am

    Mark Knight should cough up too, just for being a fuckwit … Knight did his job as a satirical cartoonist … Ramos did his job as an experienced tennis umpire … pity Williams didn’t do hers … as a female sports star and role model for African Americans …

    All depends on how you look at it … emotionally or logically …

  153. September 12, 2018 11:55 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 12, 2018 12:10 pm

    Pauline is correct. And the only ignorant people are the scientists who think they know everything

  155. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 12:15 pm

    Respectively TB

    Williams may well have acted like a dickhead. That is no reason to portray her as an apelike Sambo

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-dont-get-why-the-serena-cartoon-was-racist/ar-BBNaieK?ocid=spartanntp

  156. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 12:52 pm

    “That is no reason to portray her as a charicature……..”

    Fixed

    Cartoonists exaggerate physical features

    Dont you get satire ?

  157. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 12:54 pm

    “Climate change happens naturally through the sun and through the moon. It’s just natural occurrences that have happened for centuries.”

    And only via the arrogance of the Human Race do some believe they can reverse Mother Nature

  158. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 1:11 pm

    Dont you get satire

    Don’t you get racism?

    And only via the arrogance of the Human Race do some believe they can reverse Mother Nature

    It’s clear you don’t ‘Get’ Science

  159. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 1:22 pm

    Predictions of being able to steer the World’s climate to a certain point in one thousand years time is NOT Science anymore than an economist can say with certainty that his prediction about the economy in one thousand years time are certain.

    Only the truly naive would believe otherwise.

    Climate change is going to happen so just adapt

  160. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 1:27 pm

    Climate change is going to happen real fast because of what we spew into the environment so just adapt

    Fixed it 😉

  161. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 1:39 pm

    Yeah …………..we’re all going to burn up in 3-6 months.

  162. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 1:46 pm

    we’re all going to burn up in 3-6 months.

    Now that’s just being silly 😉 😯

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/experts-gobsmacked-by-nsw-winter-fires/news-story/fcf8f5c629c11232e5165ada91677f16

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2018 2:02 pm

    I think Williams was correctly portrayed as a bullying poor sport. Which seems entirely accurate.

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2018 2:11 pm

    The caricature is unflattering, which is unsurprising, so I googled – caricature of bully.

    Is it possible to do a one that doesn’t look big and aggressive?

    https://www.google.com.au/search?biw=1600&bih=876&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=6pCYW7jEDZj7-QbHsZX4Ag&q=caricature+of+bully&oq=caricature+of+bully&gs_l=img.3…28197.28197.0.28561.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0….0…1c.1.64.img..0.0.0….0.tLL1meOVeRI

  165. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 2:29 pm

    Is it possible to do a one that doesn’t look big and aggressive?

    Yes, but not required.

    What wasn’t required was the Sambo caricature. THAT is the issue

    Google that one expert 😉

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2018 3:03 pm

    I think the caricature makes Williams look big, angry, aggressive and out of control, Sambo it your term.

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2018 3:08 pm

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sambo+caricature&FORM=AWIR

    Doesn’t look much like Serena to me

  168. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 3:24 pm

    Did everyone object to these? Or is the outrage selective?

    Do any of them look like a Sambo caricature?

  169. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 3:27 pm

    fyi yomm, expand yor search to Serena Sambo caricature 😉

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2018 4:04 pm

    1. When I search Sambo, it doesn’t look anything like Serena.

    2. When I search Serena caricature the images look like a fair bit like the one you’re objecting to without so much anger.

    3. As it was meant to portray Serena Williams as an angry, bullying, bad sport, I don’t see that it is any more offensive in the circumstances than any of the others.

    ————–
    By the way, I don’t think indefinite detention of children is a great policy

  171. Bate`Goblin`ol`Teabag permalink
    September 12, 2018 4:12 pm

    Yes! l`m glad to see the judge `insert` the buffoons microphone to the tune of a few mill.

    @fcuk.him

  172. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 4:14 pm

    TomR only sees what he wants to see not what is actually there.

    He’s a bit like the yank commentator who saw the pacifier (we call it a dummy) as a swipe towards her having a baby.

    Grow up you lot

  173. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    September 12, 2018 4:31 pm

    only “ sees what he wants to see not what is actually there ” @pot.kettle

    We have a few more ‘ inHouse ‘ that suffer the same!

    ____

    You “ cannot invent this level of ignorance

    l guess some twits didn`t notice our midWinter bushfires and swedens arctic circle going up in smoke. @winterlsGoing

  174. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2018 4:43 pm

    TomR only sees what he wants to see not what is actually there

    Yea me, and the entire international audience

    Funny how it’s just a small,cloistered set of privileged white Australians who cannot see it.

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2018 4:51 pm

    Perhaps you could explain why all those other caricatures of Serena Williams showing her with-
    • Big lips
    • Frizzed hair
    • Huge rear
    • Black
    • Headband
    …weren’t the cause of serious outrage. It seems to me that the main difference is that the recent cartoon showed her to be a poor sport, a bully and angry. Which is exactly correct.

  176. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 5:00 pm

    “Yea me, and the entire international audience”

    WRONG ! Go read the comments on LA Times . It’s leaning heavily in favour of the Cartoonist

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2018 5:28 pm

    LA Times!!!! WGAF what the Yanks think … I’ve been called worse … here!

    And I see we are no targeting nine year old kids with an opinion …

    (Disclaimer: I got in the shit at the local cinema when I was 15 and didn’t stand for God Save the Queen – ever after!) Fucking nonsense … and before idiots start BS about people dying for the flag …

    1. Soldiers try and stay alive for their mates (no-one chooses to fkn die especially for Queen & Country)

    2. Australian troops did not “serve” under the flag as we know it, until Vietnam …

    3. Standing – hearts on heart crap is for the Yanks … Australians are already proud of their country … (if Mundine wants to play silly buggers … let him) …

    4. I don’t like our flag … but I’ll respect it … until its changed … I’d like to see the Aboriginal flag incorporated, unfortunately the colours they chose actually reflect the original German Empire … no-one bothers with fkn history!

  178. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 5:42 pm

    “WGAF what the Yanks think …” Apparently TomR does. He claims universal condemnation which I dont see.

    “And I see we are no targeting nine year old kids with an opinion …”

    It’s not targeting. Its a case of parents signing their kid upto a school with its own set of rules and being told to obey them. If you don’t like them go to school elsewhere.

    Next she’ll bleat about having to wear a school uniform.

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2018 5:52 pm

    Poor Management breeds Unions! Told ya!

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/11/tennis-umpires-union-serena-williams-us-open-final-carlos-ramos

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … Its a case of parents signing their kid upto (sic) a school with its own set of rules and being told to obey them. If you don’t like them go to school elsewhere.

    ‘Tis a state school … show me the “rule” … and where do parents “sign up” to these “school rules” …

    BTW – go back and read the rest of my comment …

  180. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 12, 2018 6:05 pm

    “4. I don’t like our flag … but I’ll respect it … until its changed … I’d like to see the Aboriginal flag incorporated, ”

    I am not against changing the flag but the problem is what to change it to. The Canadians were faced with the same situation. They got it right when they changed it to the maple leaf. When people see it they say Canada. When people see our flag they have no idea what country it is.

  181. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 6:09 pm

    ‘Tis a state school … show me the “rule” … and where do parents “sign up” to these “school rules” …

    https://kenmoresouthss.eq.edu.au/Enrolments/Enrollingatourschool/Pages/Enrollingatourschool.aspx

    You’ll find it in the Enrolment Documents dealing with Responsible Behaviour Policy. Scroll down a fair way

    It clearly states that students must obey orders and directions from teachers

  182. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2018 6:23 pm

    “”2. Australian troops did not “serve” under the flag as we know it, until Vietnam …”

    Yeah but not much difference

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Australian_Defence_Force

    And even more enlightening is here…………..

    “General Birdwood dispatched an Australian flag to the 15th Infantry brigade with orders that it be flown over Harnonnieres, an honour that the commander of the 59th battalion bestowed on the first man to reach the objective, 22 year old Private Ernest Forty.[38][39] In 1918 as the 2nd Division entered the Belgian town of Chaleroi the locals turned out to greet them waving Australian flags made out of brown paper bags.[40] The children of Villers-Bretonneaux still maintain the tradition of raising the Australian flag in memory of the Australians who died in liberating the area in world war one.[41] The Australian flag was flown above the general headquarters during the Hundred Days Offensive.[42]

    Even the USA flag was different in WW2 to now. A new star was added for Hawaii in 1949

    And yes TB even I thought what you said was correct.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2018 6:27 pm

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  184. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2018 6:30 pm

    The Australian flag was the red ensign until 1953! As I tried to show above!!!!

    In Korea Australia flew the UN flag …

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2018 6:43 pm

    Wally!

    Found this …

    “”Act at all times with respect and show tolerance towards other students and staff “”

    Then:-

    “”Work hard and comply with requests or directions from teacher and principal “”

    In the present circumstances highly contradictory … “work hard” how is that judged?

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2018 7:02 pm

    https://www.pmc.gov.au/government/australian-national-anthem/australian-national-anthem-protocols

    Customary is distinctly different to compulsory …

    And no mention of “standing” for the flag …

    Protocols are protocols … and the child is entitled to an apology …

    Surely Australians are still free thinkers and NOT clones of America even if you are nine years old!

    BTW I was nine when I rebelled (against ALL my family) about the nonsense of my CofE “education and sunday school. I’d had enough!

    I battled into my teens! Hard against the people you love.

    But The Minister and I have two kids, three adult g/children and two teenagers who are “free” thinkers!

    Sometimes a pain … but well worth the effort …

    BTW The Minister has put up with me for 52 years … later this month we celebrate our Golden wedding anniversary … had no idea she would be such a great manager*, book-keeper and chef when she was 17!

    * Not only our household but our business … proves the point the Four Pillars of Management – Planning, Leading, Organising an Controlling … exactly what any good mum/parent/housekeeper does!

  187. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    September 12, 2018 7:09 pm

    In “ Korea Australia flew the UN flag

    That`s nice. We got global approval before ‘that’ fcukup. @yaaayTableCloth

  188. Bate`Goblin`ol`Teabag permalink
    September 12, 2018 8:10 pm

    Its way too late to give the inHouse teabags ploc trainy trainy, they couldn`t organize a shag in the cathouse with a hundred bucks stapled to their foreheads.

    ____

    Canadia may or may not have got it correct with its maple leaf table cloth. With our clowntown buffoons they could only get it wrong, they haven`t got anything correct for years! l suppose you could suggest to them that they lighten that gloomy darkBlue to the brighter shade of `teabagBlue` the zombies use. Perhaps replace those stupid stars with nodes, as we are the now worlds largest buyer of nodes. Maybe we could cover that unionJack too (as it agitates the pinkists so much) with a nice big chinaRed flag (we can skip teh stars’n stripes shit) which l`m sure will pacify the pinkists.

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 12, 2018 8:53 pm

    “Canadia may or may not have got it correct with its maple leaf table cloth”

    Canada got it right. When people see the maple leaf they say Canada. We are saddled with the same problem.

    Perhaps a outhouse dunny in the corner, people would acknowledge our flag

  190. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2018 8:45 am

    So, the right wing nutcases spent yesterday defending a racist, and at the same time attacking a nine year old who has shown the courage of her convictions.

    Way to go Straya!

  191. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2018 8:49 am

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2018 12:46 pm

    Perhaps a outhouse dunny in the corner, people would acknowledge our flag

    Humour!!! A breakthrough?

  193. Walrus permalink
    September 13, 2018 12:51 pm

    “So, the right wing nutcases spent yesterday defending a racist, and at the same time attacking a nine year old who has shown the courage of her convictions.”

    Both were carrying on like dickheads. In fact acting like spoilt brats so both deserve the scorn heaped upon them

    Chess is a black and white example of inherent racism, why do whites always go first?

    The sooner we ban this sort of thing the better.

    Next they’ll need to repaint the fucking Whitehouse

    Seriously when are you going to grow up ?

  194. Walrus permalink
    September 13, 2018 1:05 pm

    The Australian flag was the red ensign until 1953! As I tried to show above!!!!

    Yes it was in circulation but the blue version also was….

    “In 1908, Australian Army Military Order, No 58/08 ordered the blue “Australian Ensign” to replace the Union Jack at all military establishments. From 1911 it served as the saluting flag of the Australian army at all reviews and ceremonial parades with the Union Jack being reserved for “all occasions when a representative of His Majesty the King reviews the Commonwealth forces” By traditional British understanding, the blue ensign was reserved for official government use although the red ensign, formerly the popular favourite with the general public, was nevertheless still to be seen in military circulation until after the 1953 legislation, meaning the 1st and 2nd Australian Imperial Forces served under both the blue and red versions……””

  195. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2018 1:15 pm

    Seriously when are you going to grow up ?

    Are you able to establish a period where the black and white chess pieces were used to denigrate a race.

    Or the same with the colour of the Whitehouse

    Seriously!

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2018 4:55 pm

    Yes it was in circulation but the blue version also was….

    That’s interesting, Wally … do you have a link?

    The red ensign of course was at odds with the Merchant Navy Flag … although I suspect that the Australian Merchant Navy flew the Pommie “red duster” themselves …

    My understanding tho’, is still that in battle the Aussies and Canadians were considered to be part of the British Army … colonials that we were …

  197. Walrus permalink
    September 13, 2018 5:26 pm

    Same Link as before TB

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Australian_Defence_Force#The_Australian_ensigns_at_war

    I must say I’m a bit surprised by this. Seems the idea none of them fought under either the blue or red ensign at a minimum is just a very widespread urban myth. Both the red and blue are pretty much what we have today.

    It’s basically the same flag but just not Commonwealth official until 1953.

  198. Beight`Goblin`ol`Teabag permalink
    September 13, 2018 6:32 pm

    need to “ repaint the fucking Whitehouse

    lts being painted ‘ teabagFloridaOrange’ as we speak. (-:

    ___

    l think the legacy outlets are overstimulating the pinkists with cultchaWar n’policticalCorrectnes bullshit at the moment. l don’t reckon there really is much ‘newsWorthyness’ in the 9yearOld not standing or serenas tanty myself, and is really just echoChamber stuff. Those that can’t see the ‘outrage’ can’t. Those that can, can. But neither is really important to most primate on the planet.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2018 6:43 pm

    I must say I’m a bit surprised by this. Seems the idea none of them fought under either the blue or red ensign at a minimum is just a very widespread urban myth

    Yeah me too, Wally … however …

    All Australians fought under (not for) the Union Jack in the Boer War. Most Australians fought under the Union Jack in World War I. Most Australians fought under either the Australian Red Ensign or the Union Jack in World War II. All Australian Naval personnel fought under the British Naval Ensign in both world wars. Relatively few have fought in declared wars under the Australian Blue Ensign as we now know it.

    http://www.ausflag.com.au/fought_under_other_flags.asp

    As you know most myths and legends have an element of truth …

  200. Russia`is`Phaic`Knews`Teabag permalink
    September 13, 2018 7:35 pm

    Shit l`m surprised you didn`t realize da colonies fought under da empires naval white ensign variants, or yoonyun jacque.

  201. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 13, 2018 8:06 pm

    “I must say I’m a bit surprised by this”

    I was also surprised to find out we did not get a standing army until 1947.

  202. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 9:18 am

    So, companies are caught ripping off workers, and our grubmint jumps in to defend them.

    And people wonder why pays are not going forward.

    Some idiots even try to blame the FWA?

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2018 9:23 am

    The problem with changing the flag is that designers always try to come up with something completely different

    The easiest change is to replace the union jack with a simplified version of the Australian Coat of Arms

  204. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 9:41 am

    Yes, but what IS an Australian “coat of arms”

    Does it have only one arm, to represent NSw and their ‘one arm bandits”?

    Is it loud and flashy to represent the tastless Queensland kulture

    Or dull and dreary for Adelaide?

    Does it have a hood to cope with the Melbourne weather?

    And will it have two neck holes for Tasmanians?

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2018 9:41 am

    Why would a casual employee get annual leave ? That’s why they get an extra 25%

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2018 9:45 am

    … a simplified version of the Australian Coat of Arms

    Easy … not sure the financial “industry” would approve …

    http://cliparts101.com/free_clipart/62045/Ned_Kelly_

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2018 9:48 am

    Enjoy yer weekend … fly out in a couple of hours to Hamilton Island for a couple of days … (not my fave place – but daughter leased an apartment!) … 🙂

  208. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 9:55 am

    Why would a casual employee get annual leave ?

    Because he wan’t working ‘casual’ hours. He was working fulltime hours.

    “worked regular, predictable hours”

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2018 10:10 am

    Chuckle … another no-brainer, TR … for some!

  210. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 10:24 am

    only for some TB, only for sum 😉

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2018 10:44 am

    Can anyone explain the purpose of the 25% casual loading?

  212. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 11:19 am

    Did he get 25%

    and even IF he did

    https://theconversation.com/the-costs-of-a-casual-job-are-now-outweighing-any-pay-benefits-82207

  213. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 11:28 am

    hmm, from the article

    Mr Maher said casual labour hire workers in the coal mining industry were typically paid an hourly rate 30 per cent below that of permanents and had no paid holidays, sick leave or job security.

    “This isn’t double dipping, it’s a double whammy for casual workers. Employers should stop complaining and accept the jig is up,” he said.

    How do they get away with this in the first place?

  214. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 11:33 am

    Enjoy yor holiday TB

    We’re flying out to ……………….. the backyard 😦

    .
    .
    .

    But it’s a nice backyard 🙂

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2018 11:43 am

    This is what the ACTU says…

    Casual Leave Entitlements

    The loading that casuals are paid is compensation for the lack of paid leave provisions that casuals are entitled to, as well as the insecurity of their employment.

    https://www.australianunions.org.au/casual_workers_factsheet

  216. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 12:08 pm

    Yes, and, that is ASSUMING you get 25%

    I’ll highlight this again yomm, in case you are having reading difficulties again

    Mr Maher said casual labour hire workers in the coal mining industry were typically paid an hourly rate 30 per cent below that of permanents and had no paid holidays, sick leave or job security.

    And that’s before we get into all those points raised in the Conversation article

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2018 12:27 pm

    So are the labour hire people covered by the agreement or arrangement that provides that pay? If there is an agreement that delivers that rate for the business, maybe the union hasn’t got the scope right.

  218. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2018 12:37 pm

    maybe the union hasn’t got the scope right.

    Talk to the judge

  219. Weir`izz`Mie`Teabag permalink
    September 14, 2018 7:29 pm

    Just sit back and enjoy the strawberry flavored industrial relations playing out TC. (-:

  220. Strawberry`Fields`Teabag permalink
    September 14, 2018 8:16 pm

    Living is easy with eyes closed

  221. September 16, 2018 8:05 pm

    “Knight did his job as a satirical cartoonist … Ramos did his job as an experienced tennis umpire … pity Williams didn’t do hers … as a female sports star and role model for African Americans …

    All depends on how you look at it … emotionally or logically …”

    I agree with this

    …and this

    “I think Williams was correctly portrayed as a bullying poor sport. Which seems entirely accurate.”

    As somewhat of an ‘artist’ myself, & I’m sure anyone familiar with my verbiage & output may guess, caricature is a pronounced illustration of prominent features; not racism.

    The whole world getting outraged by every tiny, veritably imaginary morsel plays into the arms of ignorant Trumpism.

  222. September 16, 2018 8:11 pm

    “And I see we are no targeting nine year old kids with an opinion …

    (Disclaimer: I got in the shit at the local cinema when I was 15 and didn’t stand for God Save the Queen – ever after!) Fucking nonsense … and before idiots start BS about people dying for the flag …”

    I have always made a point of NOT standing for the national anthem. Fuck all jingowankers. If that causes you tremendous offense, stop for a few minutes and consider what ‘free’ truly means? …certainly not assimilation by default, flying the ‘correct’ flag or ‘singing’ the right song…

    I can easily defend myself, unlike a 9 yo thrown to the idiot Nationalist fearsquirting jingowankers.

  223. September 16, 2018 8:13 pm

    “3. Standing – hearts on heart crap is for the Yanks … Australians are already proud of their country … (if Mundine wants to play silly buggers … let him) …

    4. I don’t like our flag … but I’ll respect it … until its changed … I’d like to see the Aboriginal flag incorporated, unfortunately the colours they chose actually reflect the original German Empire … no-one bothers with fkn history!”

    Mmhmm

  224. September 16, 2018 8:15 pm

    “Next she’ll bleat about having to wear a school uniform.”

    Bullshit strawman, flagwaver.

  225. September 16, 2018 8:18 pm

    “The problem with changing the flag is that designers always try to come up with something completely different

    The easiest change is to replace the union jack with a simplified version of the Australian Coat of Arms’

    Strongly agree.

    Unholy fucking shit, New Zealand is hardly a backwards country. Way more political courage than here.

  226. September 16, 2018 8:52 pm

    “Surely Australians are still free thinkers and NOT clones of America even if you are nine years old!”

    I raised my child to be a fucking Free Thinker. More power within that than in any ideological or nationalist wankfest.

    The world needs more freethinkers, not more fucking unapologetically aligned, desperate to belong, Nationalist pissants.

  227. September 16, 2018 8:53 pm

    “BTW The Minister has put up with me for 52 years … later this month we celebrate our Golden wedding anniversary … had no idea she would be such a great manager*, book-keeper and chef when she was 17!”

    Congratulations, TB.

    We are 20+ years, and I feel like that’s been an amazing effort of compromise! haha

  228. September 16, 2018 8:59 pm

    “Why would a casual employee get annual leave ? That’s why they get an extra 25%”

    This is fine, up until the point that they are deliberately kept intransigent, and casual, for a protracted period.

    Easily dismissible.

    No job security.

    Fuck that!

  229. September 16, 2018 9:03 pm

    * sit back and wait for the oncoming ‘re-balance’ of ‘Fair’Work which the new Federal Government should re-adjust…(thanks to the rightard Liberal Implosion- praise be!)

  230. September 16, 2018 9:06 pm

    So now I’m rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun…

  231. September 16, 2018 9:10 pm

    From Birtherism to this new ignorant, self defensive, reactionary shit…this absolutely disgraceful human’s depths know no bottom.

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/donald-trumps-staggering-new-conspiracy-theory/news-story/5544d67523932859bc29134d70c32bc7

    Reflexive dismissal of ‘elitist’ undertakings. Bone spur, draft dodging, coward, belligerent piece of shit.

  232. September 16, 2018 10:23 pm

    Also…

    FUCK COLLINGWOOD!

    Richmond V West Coast/ Melbourne (sentimental favourites) GF…anyone but cnutingwood!

    ToSY’s Tigers!

  233. September 16, 2018 10:49 pm

    All along the scifi tower…

    My youngster used to play this for me on my mother’s piano…then life got busy…

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2018 1:23 pm

    I think the national anthem should be respected for what it represents, not because of the words it contains. I would never had stood for the national anthem when it was “god save the queen” – because it wasn’t Australia’s national anthem.

    The French national anthem is an interesting example of words in a song that very few would endorse these days, but I don’t think there’s any controversy about it in France.

  235. September 17, 2018 7:03 pm

    “BTW The Minister has put up with me for 52 years … later this month we celebrate our Golden wedding anniversary … had no idea she would be such a great manager*, book-keeper and chef when she was 17!”

    Congratulations TB…!

    Guess who just got hitched on the weekend? 🙂

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2018 9:46 pm

    Well, congratulations to you reb!!

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2018 10:44 pm

    Guess who just got hitched on the weekend?

    Great news! Love and best wishes to you both! 🙂

  238. Walrus permalink
    September 18, 2018 12:04 pm

    “I raised my child to be a fucking Free Thinker.I raised my child to be a fucking Free Thinker.”

    That’s fine. But for school to function properly pupils need to obey the directions of teachers. That’s what her parents signed up for. If they want to take her out of that school then fine. Otherwise she should be expelled and they can home school her if they like.

    We either teach kids about discipline or not and the parents here accepted that she had to obey teachers when they enrolled her. There is enough disobedience towards teachers already without starting them at 9 years old. What next ?

    And as ToM points out………

    First verse

    “Arise children of the fatherland
    The day of glory has arrived
    Against us tyranny’s
    Bloody standard is raised
    Listen to the sound in the fields
    The howling of these fearsome soldiers
    They are coming into our midst
    To cut the throats of your sons and consorts

    To arms citizens Form your battalions
    March, march
    Let impure blood
    Water our furrows…………………”

  239. Tom R permalink
    September 18, 2018 1:00 pm

    Congrats reb.

    All the bests to ya

  240. Tom R permalink
    September 18, 2018 1:05 pm

    caricature is a pronounced illustration of prominent features; not racism.

    Why have so many been able to caricaturize Williams (and many other African Americans) without evoking this charge of racism?

    We either teach kids about discipline or not

    We also teach them independent thought. I mean, yomm allows his daughter out with illegal materials. (not that there is anything wrong with that 😉 )

  241. Walrus permalink
    September 18, 2018 1:14 pm

    “Why have so many been able to caricaturize Williams (and many other African Americans) without evoking this charge of racism?”

    There is barely any difference in the prominent features. It’s just not a contorted face of anger.

    https://www.greghalbert.com/serena-williams-caricature/

  242. Tom R permalink
    September 18, 2018 1:23 pm

    There is barely any difference in the prominent features

    Not that I agree with you (perish the thought), but I ask you, why has he not suffered the same OUTRAGE (anger)

    Could it be that he has accurately portrayed her as a caricature, instead of simply some generic ‘ angry black woman with big lips’, the same lips used by racist cartoons of a century ago?

    I mean, there is no way you could describe that image as ‘Sambo’, unlike knights

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2018 3:19 pm

    I see Serena Williams is advertising Tempur mattresses … hilarious? clever? cynical? hypocrite? greedy I’d say …

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2018 3:21 pm

    Chaned my mind – clever advertising (wonder how many get the irony – I really giggled myself!)

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 18, 2018 4:13 pm

    As i said, if you google caricature of Serena Williams – they all look about the same as teh one by Knights – just not angry. But the point of his cartoon was to portray her as an angry, bullying bad sport – which is exactly how she behaved.

    Serena has a history of being a bad sport, and I think she attempted to put an inexperienced 20 year old off her game with the outrageous antics,

  246. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 18, 2018 4:15 pm

    And anyone with any taste will prefer Melbourne over the Weages and Richmond over Collingwood

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2018 6:44 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/18/coalition-defends-lobbying-rules-and-denies-corporate-takeover-of-democracy

    Must be catch up time – some of us here have been saying that democracy was hijacked by the ROBBER BARONS years ago!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And anyone with any taste will prefer Melbourne over the Weages and Richmond over Collingwood

    WTF are you waffling about … sounds like Mexican to me!

    My old mentor used to go silly over Hawthorne … who, as I vaguely recall, rarely hit the final!

  248. September 18, 2018 7:07 pm

    “We either teach kids about discipline or not and the parents here accepted that she had to obey teachers when they enrolled her. There is enough disobedience towards teachers already without starting them at 9 years old. What next ?”

    I’d be very interested to know if this student ‘disobeys’ teachers during ‘class time’?

    I see the failing to stand for a tablecloth wank off as entirely different to general disobedience, or troublemaking; more of an uncomfortable (for some) social protest.
    As I said, I did this (still do) throughout my schooling & life. I could give zero fucks about the actual words, it’s always been the mindless jingoistic alignment (and the expectation of same) which has reviled me.
    Each to their own.

    Free country, supposedly.

  249. September 18, 2018 7:49 pm

    * congrats, reb & partner!

  250. September 18, 2018 7:52 pm

    Thank youse… 🙂

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2018 11:01 pm

    “Arise children of the fatherland
    The day of glory has arrived

    ?????????????????????

    WTF!

  252. Strawberry`Fields`Teabag permalink
    September 19, 2018 8:13 am

    misunderstanding all you see

  253. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 8:48 am

    they all look about the same as teh one by Knights

    Firstly, no they don’t

    secondly, as I asked above, why was his picked out from all of them (then see if you can spot the difference, and the likeness, with the Sambo caricature)

  254. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2018 8:50 am

    “……….“Arise children of the fatherland
    The day of glory has arrived

    ?????????????????????

    WTF!……….””

    Yes…………it sounds better in French

  255. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2018 8:57 am

    “I’d be very interested to know if this student ‘disobeys’ teachers during ‘class time’?”

    Irrelevant………….you cannot have different lines in the sand whether its in the classroom, playground or on an excursion.

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 9:01 am

    Most of the caricatures show Serena with big lips, huge backside, frizzy hair – and Afro-American. They just don’t portray the anger – and that’s because the (tactical) anger wasn’t relevant to those earlier ones.

    Really Tom R, if a satirical & exaggerated cartoon is supposed to show satirical & exaggerated physical features, can you post a link to an earlier caricature that you think is suitable?

    Because if the Knights one was racist, so were 90% of the previous ones that no one seemed to object to.

  257. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 9:08 am

    I see the failing to stand for a tablecloth wank off as entirely different to general disobedience,

    Interestingly, the new pm wants to give religious schools the right to break the rules, which stands in stark contrast to the current OUTRAGE over someone not singing a song

  258. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 9:22 am

    big lips, huge backside, frizzy hair – and Afro-American

    Many caricatures do that

    But it’s the STYLE in which it’s done that’s the issue

    Can you answer my question

  259. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 9:27 am

    At a simple level, the court has assigned a meaning to casual that does not appear to allow for rostered permanence.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Wait, WHAT!

    😯

    Yea, sorry, but “rostered permanence.” doesn’t seem to gell with the term “casual” in any way or form.

    https://outline.com/xvab7V

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 9:37 am

    Which caricature do you think is most suitable and doesn’t exaggerate Serena’s features in a way that many seem to object to?

  261. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 9:45 am

    The ones not steeped in racist bigotry

  262. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 9:56 am

    Fine, then which of the non bigoted ones that were apparently previously inoffensive, but show Serena with huge backside, big lips and frizzy hair, do you recommend as the guide?

  263. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 10:06 am

    All of them. Since none of them have caused the same backlash

    I understand if you cannot see the difference, but thousands have, and a professional definitely should

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 10:23 am

    So all of the exaggerated caricatures were ok – they showed big lips, huge rear, frizzy hair etc. But the Knights one showed anger too.

    I’m afraid I still can’t see the racism

  265. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 10:37 am

    I’m afraid I still can’t see the racism

    Of course, that PROVES it doesn’t exist.

    I’ll ask again, why did so many immediately react to that ONE

    (and other caricatures have shown anger. they just don’t draw the lips as boldly red and seemingly stuck on or the hair as upright and … well … Samba-like

  266. Wear`is`mie`Teabag permalink
    September 19, 2018 11:15 am

    Congratulations to those freshly ‘hitched’ and to those ‘hitched’ for half a century. @yolk.of.happiness

  267. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2018 11:15 am

    “I’ll ask again, why did so many immediately react to that ONE”

    Simple…………….they seek to be continually outraged because of something they think they see but its not actually there

  268. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2018 11:16 am

    Especially when she announced post match she was actually standing up for women rather than admit to behaving like an arsehole

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 11:20 am

    People react because of the context – Williams’ behaviour was polarising – some were sympathetic, others just regarded her as a poor sport showing seasoned gamesmanpersonship against a very inexperienced opponent.

    The outraged were reacting to anything that seemed to be anti- Serena.

    Knights’ cartoon was no more offensive from a racial point of view that hundreds of earlier ones, but the controversy and context around Williams’ rant and poor sporting behaviour got it some attention.

    Those looking for more reasons to be outraged (and support Williams) found another target.

    The real story (to me) is that a 20 year old woman of mixed ethnicity beat Williams despite her antics, showed amazing composure …and may turn into the sporting role model that Williams should be, but now can’t be

  270. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 12:40 pm

    Knights’ cartoon was no more offensive from a racial point of view that hundreds of earlier ones

    That I agree with

    He has a histroy

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 12:53 pm

    …and in further signs of how hopeless the ABC is – they’ve lost half their audience for the local breakfast radio program since they dumped Red Symons.

    Good.

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 1:17 pm

    I’m referring to the hundreds of previous Serena caricatures that were (apparently) harmless.

    The difference between them and the one by Knights – an an angry poor sport – not the race

  273. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 1:56 pm

    The difference between them and the one by Knights – an an angry poor sport – not the race

    No one (well, not many) were complaining about anger. It was the use of the Sambo technique

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 2:07 pm

    Well, I just can’t see that – which of these would not be subject to exactly the same criticism?

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=serena+caricature&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjo_oOXmMbdAhVXPHAKHVvlCjEQ_AUIDigB&biw=1365&bih=605

  275. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    September 19, 2018 2:35 pm

    While you lot maintain your concern/outrage over yank friviolities, l tend to think rupert and the rest of the legacy outlets being part of dumping another prime meddler much more newsworthy myself.

  276. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 2:38 pm

    I don’t think it is possible to have a caricature of Serena Williams without it being capable of being called “Sambo” or “black mamma” or labled as stereotyping in some other way.

  277. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 2:49 pm

    hmm, this ones angry. Why no anger?

    https://www.greghalbert.com/serena-williams-caricature/

    See if you can note the difference in the manner the lips alone are represented

  278. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 3:06 pm

    Yes, I saw that one, and my reaction is that the stereotyping is about the same as the Knights one.

  279. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    September 19, 2018 3:25 pm

    I notice the pinkists and gweenists are fcuking it up again this week. Here the zombies are, yet again trudging toward the cliff edge and dash themselves on the jagged ‘woman-problem’ rocks on the canyon floor below. But the pinkists and gweenists just won`t shut their fcuking yap and let the zombies do that. They`re out shoo-ing the zombies away from the cliff edge again. You would think they would have learned by now.

  280. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2018 3:32 pm

    Ah yes, yomms finessed reaction to cultural stigmas is put into play once more

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2018 3:48 pm

    …and in further signs of how hopeless the ABC is – they’ve lost half their audience for the local breakfast radio program since they dumped Red Symons.

    Good.

    Hopeless? Red Symons? Radio Show? GMAFB!

    No mention of 7:30? Four Corners? Insight? Foreign Correspondent? Mad As Hell? The Weekly? Insiders? iView?

    Hopeless my arse!

    I suppose you are a Rupert Murdoch Sky fan …

    Red fkn Symons! (Must have run out of funds – vote Labor!)

  282. September 19, 2018 5:48 pm

    “Irrelevant………….you cannot have different lines in the sand whether its in the classroom, playground or on an excursion.”

    Entirely relevant to your comment…”There is enough disobedience towards teachers already without starting them at 9 years old. What next ?”

    For instance, I was a model student, in the classroom, on excursion & in the playground…but, Fuck that flagwanking shit! I never disrupted another student, nor a teacher. Completely different. Did she cause a riot? Is a mass of other students causing trouble? What the actual fuck.
    Demanding such patriotic lockstep is the very ANTITHESIS of a ‘free’ society.

    It didn’t affect my ability to be educated (I’d argue freethinking actually enhanced it) or that of those around me.
    Storm in a teacup from flagsturbating, tablecloth loving (without even thinking about why, mostways) , too scared to wonder about mindless allegiance, conformist conformers: imho. 😉

  283. September 19, 2018 6:05 pm

    “No mention of 7:30? Four Corners? Insight? Foreign Correspondent? Mad As Hell? The Weekly? Insiders? iView?”

    Exactly how the Winged Monkey Boltite rendition works…never mention the value the ABC adds.

  284. September 19, 2018 6:10 pm

    People of many kinds of ill considered, automatic allegiance hate the whole ‘not standing for the flag’, ‘kneeling for the national flagsturbation song’…too fucking bad.

    Just try and expel someone from a ‘free’ country for not being a lockstepping, unthinking, tablecloth jizzing, oi-oi-oi, USA-USA-USA, GodSaveOurWankyQueen non-participant. The people getting all bent out of shape over it are the true dickheads.

  285. September 19, 2018 6:12 pm

    CONFORM

  286. September 19, 2018 6:14 pm

    OUR GOVERNMENT, ably abetted by vague arousals towards ‘our flag’ & ‘our culture (what even the fuck is that?…please define), SAYS WE SHOULDN’T QUESTION JINGOWANKERY; I wonder why(?).

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2018 6:51 pm

    Yo Bro! You bin sluggin’ dat hemp oil again … ? 🙂

  288. September 19, 2018 7:28 pm

    No, TB, I haven’t.

    If that was intended as a cheap disagreement with my comments above, it’s way off the mark.

    I wouldn’t have had any contact with ‘hemp oil’ for 15 years, and I’m not even sure what ‘slugging’ it would be.

    I accept that people don’t like sneering at the flag. I don’t care. It is fuck all, in the big scheme of things.

  289. September 19, 2018 7:31 pm

    If I’ve misinterpreted your comment I apologise. I suppose it could be read as a misinterpretation of my response to your comment about the ABC, where I quoted you. If so, I was actually agreeing with you on that, but I can see how I may have poorly worded my agreement, to the point of it looking a bit like the opposite of agreement.

  290. Wear`is`my`Teabag permalink
    September 19, 2018 7:53 pm

    kneeling “ for the national flagsturbation song

    l Love it that nike signed up the kneeling NFL negro that started the whole thing (-:

    ____

    lockstepping, unthinking, tablecloth jizzing, oi-oi-oi, USA-USA-USA, GodSaveOurWankyQueen

    l always go on instrumental, rock guitar. Oh-canadia passes the test. Girt-by-sea does not. DogSaveTheThing also passes, also good on punk/thrash instrumental guitar.

  291. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2018 7:53 pm

    No need to give it another thought HD…

    National symbols like flags should be unifying – the current one doesn’t meet the requirement

  292. Wear`is`my`Teabag permalink
    September 19, 2018 8:23 pm

    Not really compareable. The skyhooks leftover is/was on myAbcRadio. These are Telly. 7:30?@reportland has gone to cack(mostly) since captain Kerry left the bridge. Throwing toolman overboard lifted both the show and the network. Tingle is a big plus to both reportland and insiderp. 4Corners?@Tick Insight?@sbs ForeignCorrespondent?@sbs Mad As Hell? TheWeekly? Insiders?provides the regular regurgitation of political(yCorrect) talkpoints infused with churno wonderment so viewers will know what to think.@derp iView? @Fully agree that foxtard type groaning about my abc is for the ever shrinking teabag imbecile audience. This does not mean my abc doesn`t need a good boot in the arse from time to time. lt does. Just not for what foxtards groan shrilly about.

  293. September 19, 2018 10:09 pm

    “National symbols like flags should be unifying”

    Really…? I must’ve been absent from class that day.

  294. ivi permalink
    September 20, 2018 5:39 am

    (Crib notes?)

  295. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2018 9:28 am

    Seems our Granfalloon Gruvmint (That’s a keeper meta, although not sure if they were the intended target?) are launching a War on Strawberries

    Which the industry isn’t too happy about.

    Who/what will be the first casualty?

  296. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2018 9:42 am

    Re the story about murdoch influencing Australian elections (No Shit Sherlock), it was worrying to hear him tell stoakes that hte ALP will only be in for three years.

    He is a lot of things, but he isn’t stupid. To turn around a loss like will be inflicted on the libs if the polls maintain their trajectory would be unprecedented.

    So, what does he know? Another GFC on the horizon? Or is he relying on his slurs to win through, as they did with Gillard?

  297. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:00 am

    So if Murdoch undermined Turnbull to the point of him getting kicked out , where’s the anti ALP bias?

  298. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:03 am

    where’s the anti ALP bias?

    It’s been mused (mainly by “TEH paranoids”) that he only went after malcayman because his #KillBill wasn’t working

    Low hanging fruit was the term employed 😉

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:13 am

    WOW!! So Murdoch undermined Turnbull with the intention of hurting the ALP and Shorten!

    That makes sense!

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:18 am

    No, TB, I haven’t.

    If that was intended as a cheap disagreement with my comments above, it’s way off the mark.

    Chuckle – no, mate … The Minister is currently researching HEMP OIL as a health supplement (now available at a chemist near you) …

    “cheap disagreement”? … not a chance, cobber! Agree wiv every word! 😉

  301. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:21 am

    So Murdoch undermined Turnbull with the intention of hurting the ALP and Shorten!

    How in the hell did you get there?

    For the slower ones, malcayamn couldn’t deliver Shorten’s head, so off with his

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:21 am

    … but I can see how I may have poorly worded my agreement, to the point of it looking a bit like the opposite of agreement.

    er, no I understood perfickly … that last sentence is … erm, very Donny T tho’s … 🙂

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:25 am

    … it was worrying to hear him tell stoakes that hte ALP will only be in for three years.

    He is a lot of things, but he isn’t stupid.

    But he is an arrogant prick … I had hopes he would have humped himself silly with Jerry by now and left us all alone …

  304. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:27 am

    Yes, the devious Murdoch is so fanatical about getting rid of Shorten and so intent on hurting the ALP that he got the Libs to replace a popular PM with an unpopular one!!

  305. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:39 am

    I know right

    But he is an arrogant prick

    That is my hope, his arrogance has taken over

  306. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:41 am

    Apparently I’m more cynical than most…

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-20/in-a-nation-of-cynics-we-are-flocking-to-the-fringe/10281522

  307. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2018 11:47 am

    Wow, this is just desperate grovelling from malcayman

    Guardian Australia understands that Turnbull, who is believed to habitually take notes of his conversations, was so alarmed by the call from Stokes and what he perceived to be a gathering News Corp campaign against him that he later made a separate approach to Murdoch himself.
    ……………..
    He pointed out he had shifted on the national energy guarantee policy so hated by many News Corp commentators and Tony Abbott and he had delivered, in part, on tax cuts.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/turnbull-was-warned-rupert-murdoch-was-trying-to-remove-him-as-prime-minister/ar-BBNxnmL?ocid=spartanntp

  308. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2018 12:05 pm

    An acquaintance of mine was approached by a political party take a seat – so he told his wife. Her reply was “NO! Please don’t – I couldn’t stand the humiliation”

    That sums up the attitude most people have to politicians.

  309. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 20, 2018 12:49 pm

    Reb

    Congratulations !!

    ToM

    I am more cynical as well.

    Tom R

    Malcolm gave up his soul, his integrity and his honour as soon as he became PM.

    Now we have an RC into Aged Care. Once again another privatisation and outsourcing success story of epic proportions.

  310. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2018 1:07 pm

    Once again another privatisation and outsourcing success story of epic proportions.

    Yes

    That link TB put up the other day summed it up well

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2018 4:55 pm

    Nursing homes & aged care are awful business sectors – costs are always under pressure, and government funding always attracts shady types who know that regulations won’t be enforced.

    It is probably an industry that should be limited to charitable/not for profit institutions – they tend to run aged care more efficiently than the government and more ethically than those trying to make a profit out of it.

  312. September 20, 2018 5:19 pm

    “Chuckle – no, mate … The Minister is currently researching HEMP OIL as a health supplement (now available at a chemist near you) …

    “cheap disagreement”? … not a chance, cobber! Agree wiv every word! ”

    Not sure how my wires got crossed, TB. 😉

    As far as medical uses of cannabis go, there should be more of them; when they are proven to help, no doubt.

    Thankyou for the clarification.

    I am glad I qualified my comment as soon as I sent it.

  313. September 20, 2018 5:22 pm

    iVi pretty much summed up my feelings about flags, patriotism & actual allegiances, with those extremely cogent links.

  314. September 20, 2018 5:49 pm

    Interestingly, the ‘?’ link, which I initially missed, leads me to concede that perhaps the student in question had assimilated parental ideals (don’t we all, at that age)…and perhaps my lifelong contempt for (the jingowank) such things (still intellectually preferable – the contempt – in my opinion) was also cultivated by my assimilation of what I’d heard and seen at a young age? However, my parents were never overt, forceful or propagandist (for, instance, I was sent to Sunday School, at the expectation of my Lutheran Grandparents, until I began to question it…it’s not like I was never given no option, or exposure, to the ‘other’…in fact, I also lived in a Catholic Institution for four years, I think my own exposures have been as broad as any person’s).

    Anyhow, interesting.

    I suppose I see myself as, “Level 3 (Post-Conventional)
    5. Social contract orientation
    6. Universal ethical principles
    (Principled conscience)”, although I’m sure plenty may dispute that.

    I would certainly argue that ‘sickly patriotism’ is not a universal ethical principle; it regularly sets its adherents up as ‘exclusive’ and innoculates them from sympathy towards non-Patriots, as the State decrees, usually expeditiously. Fuck that.

  315. September 20, 2018 5:51 pm

    # Stage 6

  316. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 20, 2018 6:18 pm

    So did Murdoch arrange for PM Abbott to be replaced by Turnbull? Then that did not work out so Murdoch then arranged for Morrison to replace Turnbull.

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    September 20, 2018 7:01 pm

    So did Murdoch arrange for PM Abbott to be replaced by Turnbull? Then that did not work out so Murdoch then arranged for Morrison to replace Turnbull.

    Hey. You. Are. Really. Cookin’. Bro!

    (all wiv the intenshun of gettin’ B.I.L.L.Y!)

    And that’s worked well, Hey?

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Anyhow, interesting.

    Ma-a-a-te … then ya lost me … wif da jargon … an’ me a undergrad an all from UniSA!

  318. September 20, 2018 7:37 pm

    Was from the link, posted by iVi, TB. Cunningly hidden in the question mark?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development#Stages

  319. September 20, 2018 7:43 pm

    Worth reading.

    So were these…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granfalloon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagined_community

    I particularly enjoyed, granfalloon, and may well use it against soft targets, haha.

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:10 am

    Cunningly hidden in the question mark?

    Ahhhhhh … M’s tricks, hey? … chuckle …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    $4 billion … $4 billion … $4 billion … $4 billion!

    SloMo giving parents a “choice” of school for their kids …

    However! Why should the people with NO CHOICE have to foot the bill for rich pricks who can afford to have a choice … if they want their children brainwashed with fairytales for adults … let THEM pay …

    The Robber Barons at schools!

    This is a local catlick Taj Mahal where poor rich folk send their kids

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:13 am

    That school BTW overlooks Moreton Bay and is slowly buying out the local shopping strip

    The photo shows only a fraction of the complex.

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:14 am

    Or this monster …

  323. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:17 am

    I particularly enjoyed, granfalloon, and may well use it against soft targets, haha.

    Go easy on me, I’m still stuck at Level 1:1 😦

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:17 am

    Compared to a local State high school …

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:20 am

    Or this local State high school …

    This LNP government must think we are a bunch of really dumb arseholes to lap up SloMo’s “we want to give parents a choice” crap!

  326. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:32 am

    SloMo giving parents a “choice” of school for their kids …

    And the new ‘religious freedoms’ coming to a school near you (which is code for, we have our own rules, but we’ll still take your money)

  327. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:40 am

    Or this monster …

    That was probably built by the funds Rudd and Gillard kicked in

  328. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:50 am

    That was probably built by the funds Rudd and Gillard kicked in

    Which was distributed evenly among everyone (not that I agreed with that)

    This is pure pork barrelling

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 10:37 am

    This is pure pork barrelling

    Or the catlick church influencing political decisions … this SloMo Morrison government is turning out to be more sickening than the Tremble and Mad Abbott iterations …

    Next we’ll all be sent a signed copy of the fkn bible!

    Keep ALL fkn religions in the churches, synagogues, temples and mosques FFS!

    This is supposed to be a secular country … not a church bazaar (bizarre???)

  330. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2018 11:16 am

    As other nations chop and change government leaders on a whim, Australia has shown rare fortitude, opting to stay the course with one man for several decades.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2018/09/20/a-beacon-of-stability-australia-hasnt-changed-leaders-in-30-years/

    🙂

    This is supposed to be a secular country … not a church bazaar (bizarre???)

    😦

  331. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 21, 2018 12:34 pm

    Kerryn Phelps will be preferencing the Liberals. So much for being an Independent, she should have no preference for distribution and leave it to the voters. She may as well run as the Liberal candidate.

  332. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2018 2:16 pm

    I’m not sure you’re right about private schools and the way religion is included TB.

    As you probably know, my kids attend good private schools ostensibly run by a religion. It seems to me that any religious/church content is scheduled entirely separately from the academic content

    If there is some type of religious activity, it is held in a chapel – and students are not required to attend. These services aren’t very regular and seem to be around things like Remembrance Day, Easter etc

    Neither of my kids studied “Ethics” which seemed to be the closest to religious content – but I had a look at the content of the subject and there was some religious analysis, but it looked to be about all religions without pushing any in particular.

    In no sense do my kids have a sense of being inducted into a religion – my daughter is particularly rebellious about religions – and she seems to be very highly regarded by the school academically and for her general vociferousness about contentious issues.

    The teachers are very good and certainly a whole lot better than the teachers I had a few decades ago at a public school.

  333. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2018 2:44 pm

    All the religious schools around us (and there are many, thanks to howards destruction of the public system and ‘choice’) do prayers etc everyday

    Not sure if it is ‘forced’, but definitely ‘encouraged’

    And sheeples follow

    I still laugh as one ex family friend who shipped their kids off have now lost ’em all to the church

    suckers

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 5:13 pm

    I’m not sure you’re right about private schools and the way religion is included TB.

    I may not have made myself clear … you want your kids in a private school you pay OR send them to a state school – not expect a subsidy from the taxpayers who struggle each week … religious schools have an agenda … and its not “better learning” … get ’em young – and suck ’em in …

    The only school bus around here (full size council type) is a church school … all the other kids walk, ride their bike, are driven to, or catch public transport to school …

    No elitism in our egalitarian nation, hey?

    I also hate to tell you but you are probably wasting your money too …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?newwindow=1&source=hp&ei=-ZikW_TSKsj08gWA9I_IDg&q=research+shows+state+school+kids+better+in+uni&oq=research+shows+state+school+kids+better+in+uni&gs_l=psy-ab.12…1207.19289.0.20865.49.42.1.1.1.0.519.6064.2-16j4j1j1.22.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..25.14.3551.0..0j0i131k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1.0.kKTdOX2Mhlc

    Apart from my distaste for any organised religion and the rampant hypocrisy … study and application of pedagogy and andragogy featured heavily in my major from UniSA …

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 5:18 pm

    Kerryn Phelps will be preferencing the Liberals.

    She was never an “independent”, Shane, its clever play by the Libs … burn the candle at both ends … if Lib voters are unhappy and don’t want to vote Labor … Phelps will be the obvious choice … along with her preferences …

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 5:19 pm

    … and suck ’em in …

    Apologies for the poor choice of words above ..

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 21, 2018 5:29 pm

    Phelps said on the news tonight that her preferencing the Libs will help her win.

  338. September 21, 2018 5:54 pm

    “If there is some type of religious activity, it is held in a chapel – and students are not required to attend. These services aren’t very regular and seem to be around things like Remembrance Day, Easter etc”

    Certainly not the same as my experience at a Catholic M.S.C. boarding school, in the late 80’s, early 90’s, YomM.
    Maybe it’s changed.

    I can expand, if necessary.

    I don’t doubt your recountance, but mine was lived over four years and is still very vivid. Did you go to Private School, YomM? just askin’

  339. September 21, 2018 6:09 pm

    “Kerryn Phelps will be preferencing the Liberals. So much for being an Independent, she should have no preference for distribution and leave it to the voters. She may as well run as the Liberal candidate.”

    I suspect she is trying to distance her self from frequent, recent Liberal attacks that she is just a Labor stooge, Shane.

    I agree with your comment, but also think that that particular electorate may be quite prepared to punish the Libs anyway; by electing an ‘Independent’, rather than their teacher ridiculing, parachuted-in option-B. Time will tell.

  340. September 21, 2018 6:18 pm

    “The teachers are very good and certainly a whole lot better than the teachers I had a few decades ago at a public school.”

    Sorry, I should have finished reading your comment for mine own answer.

    I also agree about the standard of Teachers (generally)…but then again, you get what you pay for…and Private SchoolCorp. pays for experience & results; with public money pumping up its tyres.

    Great way of entrenching educational disparity; which commonly leads to ‘career’ disparity?

  341. September 21, 2018 6:24 pm

    “All the religious schools around us (and there are many, thanks to howards destruction of the public system and ‘choice’) do prayers etc everyday

    Not sure if it is ‘forced’, but definitely ‘encouraged’”

    Couldn’t be forced, where I was, but was every day.

    But let a kid just try being the odd few out who refused to go up for a patronising ‘blessing’ (while the indoctrinate offspring of fable adherents got their communion), or didn’t ‘sing’ songs of praise, as the mass (Mass) droned in lockstep.

    Luckily, my skin has always been thick enough to maintain my rsolve, and anyone trying to paint me as a black sheep was shit upon from my great heights. I’m not convinced that a lot of others don’t acquiesce, under such peer pressure.
    Having said that. If you don’t want your kids getting any religious bullshit, don’t send them to an Explicitly Religious School; simple.
    Which is a different argument altogether, to school funding, between public & private. Level playing field doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.

  342. September 21, 2018 6:26 pm

    ” you want your kids in a private school you pay OR send them to a state school – not expect a subsidy from the taxpayers who struggle each week … religious schools have an agenda … and its not “better learning” … get ’em young – and suck ’em in …

    The only school bus around here (full size council type) is a church school … all the other kids walk, ride their bike, are driven to, or catch public transport to school …

    No elitism in our egalitarian nation, hey?”

    T H I S !

  343. September 21, 2018 6:27 pm

    I do think that, in my experience, you get what you pat for, with regard to Teachers.
    Another reason why the playing field isn’t level, and disparities, both socio-economical & educational, are entrenched by the fucking system.

  344. September 21, 2018 6:28 pm

    * pay for

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2018 7:23 pm

    The Queen of Asbestos Legal Obfuscations…

    NO surprises there … as a WHS Superintendent for JH in the 90’s I experienced the heartache/agony/aftermath of asbestosis and mesothelioma (from the men who were checked every two years) + the strange loyalty of victims to JH … shaking my head now! Just realised my pursed lips and anger too!

    I do think that, in my experience, you get what you pat for, with regard to Teachers.

    Did you check my link, Bro? Very disappointed you always check Meta’s! 🙂

  346. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:28 pm

    shane “ gave up his soul, his integrity and his honour as soon as he became PM

    Sorry shane disagree bigtime. By the time talkbull became prime meddler he had proven himself as mr-rabbits willing rent boy to team and nation; by filling the fiber network with telegraph wire. Those that paid attention already had him marked as a weak, obedient fool; which we confirmed thru treasury to the tune of 120mill; on optional postal voting. Yes the swooners thought he had the charm to get the ‘deals’ done. Just not the brains to know the ‘deals’ were duds.

    Now “ we have an RC into Aged Care. Once again another privatisation and outsourcing success story of epic proportions

    At least the slomo tunc ‘seems’ to be learning. He doesn`t seem to need dragging kicking and screaming to this one; unlike the finance royal-comm. l don`t think much of him tho; he is just another zombie that is now pretending friendly after a reasonably solid history of couching vileness toward others in econoBabble and skyfairy talk.

  347. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    September 21, 2018 9:59 pm

    Phelps “ will be preferencing the Liberals. So much for being an Independent, she should have no preference for distribution and leave it to the voters. She may as well run as the Liberal candidate

    Shane, this area is teabag alley, more billionaires per square inch than anywhere else in the country. l really don`t know why team stooten is wasting their members cash running here. They should let phelps and the teabags fight it out. l hope phelps wins just to irritate the teabags. lt would be grand fun to see her win and then start her own femaleTeabag team and start poaching jooBish and other chicks off the zombies. Of course they would allow men to join them, if they have ‘merit’ (-: (-:

  348. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 22, 2018 2:10 am

    he had proven himself as mr-rabbits willing rent boy to team and nation; by filling the fiber network with telegraph wire.

    Get stuffed. You want to pay $500/month for fiber, pay for it yourself. NBNCo do individual installations. Cost =$15,800/premise. Like all ALP supporters you do not care about poorer people

  349. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2018 11:59 am

    I’d like to see a link for that last comment, Neel …

    As for … Like all ALP supporters you do not care about poorer people … twisted lack of logic and knowledge …

    The main reason people here – laff in your face!

  350. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 22, 2018 1:57 pm

    If you are talking about the $15,800 cost to upgrade from FTTN to FTTP there are lots of links. Just google “NBN $15,800”

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22media/pressrel/5322410%22

    “On 24 May 2017, in response to questions from the Senate that were already 24 days overdue, NBN Co submitted evidence which stated the average quoted cost for consumers to self-upgrade their NBN connection from copper to fibre was $15,800 under the Technology Choice Program. This figure is five times – or a shocking $12,800 per premises – greater than the $3,000 Malcolm Turnbull said it would cost. “

  351. September 22, 2018 6:45 pm

    “Did you check my link, Bro? Very disappointed you always check Meta’s!”

    I was commenting from my own personal experience, TB. Generally, we all rely upon our own.

    I am certainly willing to concede studies suggesting otherwise, and wouldn’t be at all surprise. That certainly doesn’t invalidate my personal experiences (in my mind)…. (8 years at a rural area school, then 4 at a Catholic Public school).

    Am about to check your link, which I’m sure I will probably strongly agree with…dats just how we roll.

  352. September 22, 2018 6:53 pm

    I’m a firm believer in, if your student applies themselves enough, has a bit of direction & guidance at home, then the shortcomings of the Public VS Private system are largely negated.

    Worked well for my offspring…but a lot of the teaching staff here leave a lot to be desired.
    Of course they (wherever you are) claim the credit for academic results when things go well, every now and again.
    Not a huge fan of ‘teachers’; have had a couple next door for the last decade plus…believe in ouija boards etc…very hard for me to not give such things the contempt which they deserve…

  353. September 22, 2018 6:56 pm

    “As for … Like all ALP supporters you do not care about poorer people … twisted lack of logic and knowledge …

    The main reason people here – laff in your face!”

    Yup.

  354. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2018 9:47 pm

    TB, you’ll note that universities are offering teaching places to students with a result that suggests they are barely literate.

    That’s the quality of teachers in the public system.

    I still can not understand why anyone would think that a taxpayer shouldn’t be able to obtain support for education of their children based on preference of school.

    Particularly when there aren’t sufficient places in the public system.

  355. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2018 9:50 pm

    believe in ouija boards etc…

    Yes, teaching seems to attract some dumb people.

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2018 12:14 pm

    It’s interesting the way union orientation here generally characterises political orientation.

    For example I’ve read the LA Times for years. It is generally regarded as left – that’s it’s tradition.

    But it fought doggedly against unionisation of its operations for many years.

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2018 9:00 pm

    That’s the quality of teachers in the public system.

    Wrong, ToM, they ALL go to uni, the uni system (and acceptance levels) is faulty …

    You will always get competent (intellectual advantage – not socio-economic- who understand the concept of facilitating learning rather than “teaching” at learners) and incompetent “teachers” as long as we “educate” trainee teachers rather than assess their competency to facilitate learning in others …

    Yes, teaching seems to attract some dumb people.

    Or unis accept a low standard of people for what should be the highest …

    Our children are the future … but spending money is NOT the answer …

    I still can not understand why anyone would think that a taxpayer shouldn’t be able to obtain support for education of their children based on preference of school.

    I can … we struggled to send our children (economically) to STATE schools … you’ll be surprised to know both our children and three (adult) grandchildren are doing well in business and the workplace … ‘tother two are doing well in high school – one of them about to study nursing and paramedics – at – the CUA! Oh! The irony! 🙂

  358. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 8:47 am

    On 24 May 2017

    Yeah, who would have thought that the cost of one connection would cost so much more than if every connection was done with the same technology

    Reminder nil, our copper nobn now costs more than Labor’s “Rolls Royce” mocel EVER would have

    Better economic managers …… ROFL

    That’s the quality of teachers in the public system.

    Posibly one of the most ignorant posts yomm has ever done. And that’s saying something!

    Who’d have thought that giving PRIVATE (wtf does that even mean anymore) schools $billions while simultaneously CUTTING $Billions from public schools would see standards drop in public schools.

    Our local school just cut Drama because the state government cut funding because of the feds funding cuts.

    Makes school hard for the daighter, who only enjoys Drama, and only put up with the rest because of it.

    And then you come out with inanities like this. Dumb doesn’t begin to describe it.

  359. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 8:51 am

    Yes, teaching seems to attract some dumb people.

    Going on his post, yomm is a prime candidate for a teaching career

  360. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 9:19 am

    We really need this mob voted out

    “The government has chosen to subsidise fees for all of the students,” he told Fairfax Media.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-government-giving-catholic-schools-10-times-what-they-need-analysis-20180923-p505gz.html

    Sure the Holden workers understand.

  361. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 24, 2018 9:30 am

    “Sure the Holden workers understand.”

    In 2006 we made 25% of cars locally. By 2013 that had crashed to only 10%. When Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM anyone with a brain knew the others would leave. The industry died because nobody wanted to buy aussie made cars. It was dead. It ceased to be.

  362. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 9:34 am

    So sayeth he who knows all

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2018 9:42 am

    I still can not understand why anyone would think that a taxpayer shouldn’t be able to obtain support for education of their children based on preference of school.

    Would you send your child to private school if it wasn’t subsidised? (If no, I rest my case … if yes … why should poorer tax payers subsidise your choice?)

    Why should taxpayers fund your choice when the choice is not available to them?

    Why waste taxpayer dollars on a (false) belief that teachers in private schools are better than those in state schools?

    If your theory that the best teachers do end up in private schools – its generally believed its because they are paid more … why on earth would any parent want to subsidise a few Elite children to the disadvantage of their own?

    If teachers are better in private schools* then that pool of talent needs to be spread throughout the community … otherwise we are supporting and promoting discrimination … ALL children should have the opportunity to develop their unique skills and talents …

    The list goes on … I’ll continue if you wish?

    *Not convinced

  364. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 10:25 am

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-24/michelle-guthrie-leaves-as-md-of-the-abc/10297608

    Michelle Guthrie dismissed! That’s interesting – I think the ABC has been marginally more balanced over the past year or so

  365. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 10:35 am

    I think the ABC has been marginally more balanced over the past year or so

    Nice try yomm, but you’ll have to do better than that to outdo your “quality of public education teachers” rot

    Only reason she’s going imo is so the libs can re-stack it for another 5 years, cos they know they’re toast

  366. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 10:47 am

    The fact is that the government doesn’t fund places in public schools for all students.

    The government relies on the private schools to provide places – in my locality, the government would have to build an additional 6 or 7 high schools if people didn’t send their kids to private schools

    So let me know when the government funds sufficient places for all students, until then private school students are entitled to taxpayer support

  367. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 10:54 am

    The fact is that the government doesn’t fund places in public schools for all students.

    The fact is that the government doesn’t fund places in public schools to an acceptable for any students.

    That’s because the private system is getting almost as much per student, which is criminially WRONG

    And without them blowing that, they COULD fund ALL students to their appropriate level

  368. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 11:13 am

    Criminally wrong? Really which law is that?

    I’d be quite happy with a voucher – to spend at any school. If you can get a good education for the amount on the voucher – great! If not, cough up a bit more and choose another

    And right now we have real estate prices inflated because of things like “the Balwyn school zone”

    Just let people choose any school they like

  369. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 11:36 am

    FFS Neil if everyone was expected to foot the bill for services like the NBN. NO ONE oustide the major cities could have afforded, electricity, telephones, water or any other esential service. We would have no infrastructure beyond the blue mountains or even 100km from major cities. Our electricity and telephone networks were built across the country by CROSS SUBSIDISATION. In other words the cost was the same whether you lived in Sydney or Alice Springs even though it cost Telecom a fortune to connect in Alice Springs and nothing in Sydney. Do you have the capacity to understand the size of our country in comparison to our population.

    It is the same as these idiots who expect our electricity to be cheaper because we have coal. But we have fucking millions and millions of km of wires and poles to support a sparse population so our population must spend more each on the cost of poles and wires or once again the would not have power beyond the cities.

    QLD has a population of 4,691,000 to cover poles and wires for land size of 1,853,000 km2.

    VIC has a population of 6,359,000 to cover poles and wires for land size of 237,629 km2.

    So VIC has 26 people to cover each km2 of poles and wires where as QLD has 2 to cover each km2 of poles and wires. So VIC cost should be 13 times cheaper than QLD.

    The comparison with world power prices is also garbage unless you do a population and land size comparison. Then we are very cheap compared to most.

    If idiots woke up and actually looked at ALL the evidence and not just the bullshit hysteria we would be much better off. They could tell some truth instead of twisted lies.

    So sick to death of one sided crap that does not look at reality, but rather simply hysteria and political ideology and hatred of the people owning anything for the benefit of all citizens.

  370. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 11:38 am

    I went to private schools my whole life. They SHOULD NOT be funded by taxpayers. There should be ONE publicly funded education system for all. If you want anything else pay for it yourself completely.

  371. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 11:41 am

    ToM

    If you think the ABC has been marginally more balanced then your scales seriously need servicing as they are weighing heavily to the right.

    Also could you thinking the ABC has been more balanced is because it has dying a thousand cuts as its political, investigative, consumer rights and news broadcasting sectors are being savaged and shut down to focus on lifestyle crap.

  372. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 24, 2018 12:48 pm

    ” NO ONE oustide the major cities could have afforded, electricity, telephones, water or any other esential service”

    Shane

    Not sure what you are trying to say but my point is Labors Rolls Royce NBN is too expensive for Australia whether you live in the city or country. The ALP does not care about poorer people

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 12:55 pm

    Right, she sounds like an expert on education, yep. Well qualified and you’re welcome to parrot whatever views she happens to spruik!

    Elizabeth Farrelly is a Sydney-based columnist and author who holds a PhD in architecture and several international writing awards. A former editor and Sydney City Councilor, she is also Associate Professor (Practice) at the Australian Graduate School of Urbanism at UNSW.

  374. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 1:00 pm

    Shane, what I’ve noticed is that ABC interviewers now seem to allow politicians to complete a sentence before they interrupt.

    Previously they’d interrupt to argue the point after about 3 words.

  375. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 1:13 pm

    https://www.domain.com.au/advice/buying-a-house-in-melbourne-the-right-school-zones-attract-a-price-premium-20160601-gp7s6p/

    School zones have long been an established, much analysed driver of real estate prices

    And
    https://www.realestateview.com.au/blog/2018/06/school-zones-melbourne-property-prices/

    Parents: expect to pay an extra $169,000 for a home inside the Camberwell High zone, and an extra $142,500 if you’d like your kids to attend Balwyn High.

    The current approach to schools just isn’t working at any level-
    • Teaching attracts the lowest ranked year 12 students
    • The zoning policy drives real estate to be even more unaffordable
    • We’re dropping down the international rankings for academic results

  376. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 2:45 pm

    ToM

    Why do you think teaching attracts the lowest ranked students ?, This is a genuine question to you.

  377. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 2:46 pm

    Neil

    If you cannot work out what my point is then there is no hope in me trying to explain it.

  378. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 2:54 pm

    The current approach to schools just isn’t working at any level-

    No shit

    And attacking a person over her qualifications rather than her argument just reeks of desperation

  379. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 3:06 pm

    Really? I’ve responded to you Tom R, I don’t have to respond to someone who won’t even read this!

    …and the current policy/zoning structure penalises those that can’t afford to live in wealthy suburbs. people probably find it easier to pay school fees than find $$$$$$$$ x 100000 to buy a house in a particular school zone.
    ———————-
    Shane – i think teaching used to be regarded as a genuine profession – it was respected and teachers were respected for their role in the community. teaching was on par with other professions that required a tertiary education for entry.

    I’m not sure why teaching doesn’t command the same level of respect anyone, but I think some of the reputation damage is self inflicted.

  380. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 3:32 pm

    Really? I’ve responded to you Tom R, I don’t have to respond to someone who won’t even read this!

    Yea, my fault for agreeing with you for once

    More fool me really.

  381. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 3:38 pm

    ToM

    Here are my thoughts. My brother in law is a teacher.

    1) Male teachers have become like golden eggs all due to the fact that they face being labelled pedophiles with false accusations. They are now so rare.
    2) The education departments tend to support the students accusations instead of their staff.
    3) The ramifications for false accusations are non existent.
    4) Parents no longer support teachers but rather would prefer to bash and abuse them if anything is dared to be done to their precious child who would never do anything wrong.
    5) Disrupting students make the classroom a misery and cannot be properly disciplined.
    6) The teaching profession has been rubbished and trashed by the right accusing all of them of being left wing nutters simply because the curriculum is not the same as it was in 1958. Forgetting that everything including employment, wages, conditions, morals, standards and a fair go have been trashed and destroyed by the right as well. They even hate history lessons now because they tell the truth, unlike the white washed trash I was taught.
    7) Young people see no stable future, no stable job, no permanency, no holidays, no sick leave, no home ownership and therefore are happy to be nomadic.

  382. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 3:51 pm

    I think that is pretty accurate Shane.

    And I think teachers in private schools have a greater sense of classroom control. Parents are probably more inclined to support the teachers too… you wouldn’t pay all that money and try to undermine it!

  383. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 3:59 pm

    And I think teachers in private schools have a greater sense of classroom control.

    Consider these factors

    1. You mentioned parents. TRUE
    2. Private schools can get rid off, or not take in trouble students
    3. Private schools can afford to pay more, so can select best. Public is left with the remainder, and have to take what is given.

    Parents are probably more inclined to support the teachers too

    Precisely. This pushing people into private has created a true three tier system. And the public is left at the bottom

  384. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 4:04 pm

    I see – so your solution is to kill off the part of the system that’s producing reasonably successful students.

  385. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 4:33 pm

    ! see – so your solution is to kill off the part of the system that’s producing reasonably successful students.

    No, my solution is to kill of the overfunding of private schools, and fund the public system apporopriately

    The fact the private system is better now is only because the libs have so completely underfunded, and over politicized, the public system

  386. September 24, 2018 5:43 pm

    “Or unis accept a low standard of people for what should be the highest …”

    I am certainly aghast at some of the low ATAR’s I’ve seen for teaching.

    What The Actual Fuck…

  387. September 24, 2018 5:49 pm

    “If your theory that the best teachers do end up in private schools – its generally believed its because they are paid more … why on earth would any parent want to subsidise a few Elite children to the disadvantage of their own?”

    My thoughts, too.

    Note. I went to a Private school (for the last four years of my initial education) and acknowledged that they paid more money, and got ‘better’ teachers (where I was)…but then sent my child to the local Public school.

  388. September 24, 2018 5:52 pm

    “The government relies on the private schools to provide places – in my locality, the government would have to build an additional 6 or 7 high schools if people didn’t send their kids to private schools”

    All well and good, and I’ve never known you to be untrue…but that does suggest a lot about the demographic of your area, which kinda reinforces a lot of the other points against your argument?

  389. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2018 6:35 pm

    How To Dig a Hole – Deeper

    The current approach to schools just isn’t working at any level-
    • Teaching attracts the lowest ranked year 12 students
    • The zoning policy drives real estate to be even more unaffordable
    • We’re dropping down the international rankings for academic results

    Yep, time to shift your ideology from being rich and famous, ToM, to living in a society …

    And I think teachers in private schools have a greater sense of classroom control. Parents are probably more inclined to support the teachers too… you wouldn’t pay all that money and try to undermine it!

    So you obviously don’t need any government support.

    I see – so your solution is to kill off the part of the system that’s producing reasonably successful students.

    And you accuse TR of not reading your propaganda but don’t read my facts – see above …

    You sound like a Pommie officer in WW2 who finds himself seated next to an Aussie officer from Cunnamulla … FFS! get down of that pony.

    If you want to play … I’m richer an’ better … go ahead but WITHOUT taxpayer support … class war or fkn wot?

    Shit, Tom, I may have been 45 when I graduated but I did graduate … and I can fix (old) cars … and most of the stuff around home … can U?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re Guthrie … this government is clearing the “path” for a General Election before christmas … long live SloMo’s arrogant, bible bashing, confidence … same brush different tar …

  390. Ware`is`My`Teabag permalink
    September 24, 2018 7:24 pm

    8) Public school teachers will have the ‘needs’ based kids dumped on them babysitter-like, while still expected to train the other 20-to 25 kids. A problem religioPrivate teachers don`t face. A problem created by teabags closing down and flogging off the various special ‘needs’ institutions. (for adults of these institutions, most are homeless or prisoners) @another.teabag.suck.sess.story

  391. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 8:40 pm

    So a child should be denied support because if the choices of their parents?

  392. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2018 9:48 pm

    Choices? ToM … or simply elitist greed … lifters always seem to be those less well off than the leaners …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/why-are-catholic-schools-getting-more-money/news-story/be13f1e4501d4cdfa00af9e28eb77f4f

    Mate, I’d give it rest … you really did give it your best shot … but the can is full of holes …

  393. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 25, 2018 6:07 am

    ToM

    You are aware that academic achievement, despite the glaring disparity in resources and benefits is actually line ball between public and private schools.

    Private school delinquency is massive in comparison to the funding they receive. Drugs and Violence are prevalent in many private schools, they are not the miracle so many see,m to think they are. They are simply an expensive arm of education that should not be funded by taxpayers money. Same as private health insurance, should not be subsidised as a public alternative is available.

    The government should provide education for all at the same level. If you want anything more you pay for it yourself, not the tax payer. your choice, not our cost.

  394. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2018 8:39 am

    If you want anything more you pay for it yourself, not the tax payer. your choice, not our cost.

    And that doesn’t mean subsidising competition for public schools, which raises the cost of teachers and teaching aids, making it even harder for under resourced schools to survive.

    Choice should not be a taxpayer funded option, at least not until our basic resources are adequately funded.

  395. shaneinqld permalink
    September 25, 2018 9:03 am

    So our PM is bringing the nation together by suggesting we have an Australia Day for white people on 26 Jan and an Australia Day for our Indigenous Australians on some other date.

    My how unifying, I actually cannot think of anything more divisive.

  396. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2018 9:06 am

    yer just trolling us now,aren’t you Shane

    Please tell me tour trolling

  397. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2018 9:38 am

    “………………by suggesting we have an Australia Day for white people on 26 Jan….”

    So he is suggesting that is he ?

    Please provide the exact quote as I’m having trouble finding any factual evidence of it……………why am I not surprised.

  398. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2018 10:16 am

    alas, it isn’t trolling wally

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/pm-scott-morrison-suggests-a-second-special-day-to-recognise-indigenous-australians/news-story/056bde03d1d51613cee1dfb4b179aace

    “That is the day the ships turned up. That is the day 60,000 years of history in this country moved into the most recent, modern form of our history,” the PM told the Today Show.

    wow

  399. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2018 10:24 am

    I know he’s not trolling as I saw Scomo on TV at the gym at 5:45am this morning extolling its virtues. But no mention of white people did I note.

    I actually have no real problem with it. Maybe we should just have an Indigenous Day on the Queens Birthday holiday which as we know is not even her birthday. And move Naidoc week to the same week. Or perhaps declare a holiday Melbourne Cup day Australia wide. Nothing gets done anyway
    .
    Only problem is the Left will still scream and shout about the 26th of January anyway.

  400. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2018 10:25 am

    I think another day is a great idea.

    Replace the October bank holiday in NSW and Grand Final holiday in Vic…. and a sickie in Qld.

    Reconciliation Day or the date of the apology would be fine. But I’m also fine with just reallocating 26 Jan

  401. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2018 10:37 am

    So, you think mollifying thems peasants with a ‘special day’ whilst the rest run about enjoying invasion day like nothing happened is fine.

    Are you as blindly ignorant as a happy clapper?

  402. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2018 11:34 am

    “……..whilst the rest run about enjoying invasion day like nothing happened is fine.”

    I agree plenty happened. It was the beginning of the introduction of modern medical care , education, judicial system, law and order, social welfare.

    Plenty to celebrate

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2018 11:40 am

    I’d be entirely happy to use 1 Jan – and call it Federation of Australia Day.

    Or have another national day to replace the Queens Birthday or the NSW bank holiday etc

  404. September 25, 2018 11:58 am

    I think creating a separate day while retaining white supremacist day is a monumentally fucking stupid idea.

  405. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2018 12:00 pm

    Plenty to celebrate

    Depends on your privilege doesn’t it?

  406. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2018 12:11 pm

    creating a separate day while retaining white supremacist day

    Well, when you put it like!
    (it kinda explains it purrfectly)

  407. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2018 1:08 pm

    “I think creating a separate day while retaining white supremacist day is a monumentally fucking stupid idea.”

    Really ?

    I’ve been to a few Australia Day citizenship ceremonies and plenty of Australia Day events over the years and there are plenty of people celebrating that are certainly not white. In fact the whites are sometimes in a minority.

    Plenty of Arabs, Indians and Asians celebrating the day.

    You must live in a very cloistered inner city green leftist white area I guess.

  408. shaneinqld permalink
    September 25, 2018 2:14 pm

    There may well be other races celebrating Australia Day on 26 January, but most of our Indigenous Peoples are not one of them. I am calling it white Australia Day because it was the day whites landed to permanently occupy a land ALREADY occupied and farmed and lived from, the day white people introduced diseases, alcohol, guns, pests, fencing and land holdings. There was ALREADY a judicial system, their own laws of the land. There was ALREADY education, their own dreamtime and handed down education. There was ALREADY social welfare as their culture was one of sharing, no fences, no gates, no single ownership, no greed. Did we ask them if we could change their systems and laws to western systems and laws. Did we ask them if we could divide land into personal ownership. Did we ask them if they thought the 26 January was the correct day to celebrate Australia Day for ALL of us ?.

    Lets have a referendum on the matter, or a plebiscite if it is so important that we keep Jan 26th as the date.

    I think there should be one date and it should be a date that makes all of us happy not just those who invaded and stole the country.

  409. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2018 3:28 pm

    Keep up the “white “self loathing……….it suits you

  410. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2018 4:28 pm

    “no greed”

    Shane

    You lefties really are deluded

  411. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2018 4:30 pm

    So, expecting true inclusiveness is ‘self loathing’

    Please Explain?

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2018 4:40 pm

    Keep up the “white “self loathing……….it suits you

    I think the point is about the First People … not white, brown, yellow or black …

    Gawd forbid that an alien race with advanced technology decides they want to take Earth … maybe then we’ll know how it feels for Australia’s Indigenous population …

    … bit like the Poms, I suppose, and how they “remember” those fkn Vikings (no such thing of course) … just the Norsemen with better ships, battle formations and leaders that put the Romans to shame and a thriving society ruled by their god’s and religion coupled with a royal hierarchy not dissimilar to the one sitting in Buckingham Palace today … explorers and builders across the known globe … that they expanded constantly …

    Perhaps we should have an Immigrant’s Day … ? 😉

  413. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2018 4:53 pm

    “………………..battle formations and leaders that put the Romans to shame”

    LOL……….but then came the Normans in 1066

  414. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2018 4:56 pm

    “So, expecting true inclusiveness is ‘self loathing’…………..”

    But that’s not what I said is it.

    I’m referring to his constant references to “white”

    Its such a tiresome argument when its a multi-coloured crowd that actually attend the ceremony.

    Although redneck Queensland it still mainly Anglo I suppose.

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2018 10:55 pm

    LOL……….but then came the Normans in 1066

    Read yer history … Norman — look closely — Norseman … yep one and the same …

    Although redneck Queensland it still mainly Anglo I suppose.

    You need to get out more … I now live in Little India!

  416. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 26, 2018 7:12 am

    My references to “White” ( bear in mind that I am 50% English and 50% Irish and pure white) is because it was the “Whites” that did all of those things to the Aboriginals. Aboriginals were called BLACKS so why can I not call those who did these things WHITE when they WERE WHITE.

    I have no self loathing at all, however I understand truth in history, not white washed crap. Truth does eventually come out and then the so called righteous right and religious nutters start the hysteria of claiming culture, white rights and religious freedoms while wanting to throw history into the cupboard now that it doesn’t suit their ideology and religious beliefs.

    No matter what spews from the left or the right the fact is this land was occupied by a human race and those peoples had their land, culture, beliefs, laws, welfare system, health system stolen and totally trashed and were treated and part of the fauna until 1948. That’s One Hundred and Sixty years of being treated as an animal with no rights. That’s the truth and the facts.

    When you are not a citizen for 160 years how on earth can you claim the moral high ground of western advancements. When you are shot and driven off your own land, how can you claim the moral high ground of western advancements. When the life expectancy of Aboriginals is far less than all other citizens, how can you claim the moral high ground.

    A certificate of title is a paper ( or now computer) registration of ownership by a system that was never approved or agreed to by the owners of the land.

    I am not that naive to think it should all go back to the way it was, however acknowledgement and the correct teaching of history, along with changing Australia day to another day suitable for all is a small price to pay to address wrongs.

    This is a response to the debate from a reader at the Guardian. Maybe this is a day to look at.

    “An Act to constitute the Commonwealth of Australia
    9th July 1900
    WHEREAS the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and under the Constitution hereby established:
    And whereas it is expedient to provide for the admission into the Commonwealth of other Australasian Colonies and possessions of the Queen:
    Be it therefore enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:.
    So I nominate July 7 as Australia Day; the day the legal process of creating the united nation of Australia began.”

  417. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 9:18 am

    Its such a tiresome argument when its a multi-coloured crowd that actually attend the ceremony.

    They will soon learn, like the ‘Afrikaan gangs’ have, that it is ALL about colour. (then class, then sex)

    And for you to pretend it doesn’t exist is …………. not surprising 😦

  418. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 9:27 am

    “…………… were treated and part of the fauna until 1948. That’s One Hundred and Sixty years of being treated as an animal with no rights. That’s the truth and the facts………..””

    And yet again you claim utter bullshit as a fact

    “Aboriginal people in Australia have never been covered by a flora and fauna act, either under federal or state law……………………Although the claim has been repeated more frequently during the past 10 years, there is evidence to suggest the myth originated in the early 1970s.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650

  419. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 10:13 am

    “”………… along with changing Australia day to another day suitable for all is a small price to pay to address wrongs.”

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN !

    Yet more virtue signaling.

    I know let’s have an “Apology Day”…………………………..oh hang on ! LOL

  420. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 10:14 am

    And lets add in some Identity Politics as well…………….

    “They will soon learn, like the ‘Afrikaan gangs’ have, that it is ALL about colour. (then class, then sex)”

  421. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 10:23 am

    Yet more virtue signaling.

    Why is being inclusive “Yet more virtue signaling.”?

    Why is pointing out blatant racism “Identity Politics”?

    Why do you feel the need to wrap everything in vapid, derogatory snipes?

  422. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 10:28 am

    Here we go again more “racism ”

    “QANTAS has been accused of racism by internationally acclaimed Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty after an attendant allegedly created a scene over her carry-on luggage.”

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/shilpa-shetty-goes-public-over-qantas-racism/news-story/38f1e5f079e406fcdae802e0554d68c8

    Absolutely nothing to do with racism. Anyone who has flown Qantas can attest to their general attitude to all passengers

  423. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 10:29 am

    “Why do you feel the need to wrap everything in vapid, derogatory snipes?”

    Because I like your writing style so much I try to copy it

  424. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 10:30 am

    “Why is pointing out blatant racism “Identity Politics”?”

    What racism ?

  425. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 11:41 am

    What racism ?

    Ignoring the Aboriginal issues with Australia day reflects our grubmints racism

    Trying to fob it off with a pittance to mollify them is just embarrassing

  426. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 12:19 pm

    “Ignoring the Aboriginal issues with Australia day reflects our grubmints racism”

    What a load of BS.

    You know full well that no date at all would satisfy the morons of the activist Left.

    Nothing other than the expulsion of every non aboriginal would satisfy these morons.

    “WAR will not rest until we burn this entire rotten settler colony called Australia, illegally and violently imposed on stolen Aboriginal land at the expense of the blood of countless thousands, to the fucking ground, until every corrupt and illegal institution of white supremacist, patriarchal, capitalist settler colonial power forced upon us is no more,”

  427. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:07 pm

    No matter what you screech and scream the date will be changed , there are far more citizens with their eyes open these days than closed.

  428. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:14 pm

    the morons of the activist Left.

    Why does expecting inclusion make one a ‘moron’ (of any spectrum)?

  429. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:16 pm

    It would be refreshing if you actually dealt in FACTS occasionally. It can become a habit

    Your own Lefty chronicle

    “A majority of Australians want to leave Australia Day where it is on 26 January and 70% say they believe everyone can celebrate on that day, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll “.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/sep/05/most-voters-want-australia-day-to-stay-on-26-january-guardian-essential-poll

  430. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:19 pm

    “Why does expecting inclusion make one a ‘moron’ (of any spectrum)?”

    Oh I see so this is inclusion is it ?

    “WAR will not rest until we burn this entire rotten settler colony called Australia, illegally and violently imposed on stolen Aboriginal land at the expense of the blood of countless thousands, to the fucking ground, until every corrupt and illegal institution of white supremacist, patriarchal, capitalist settler colonial power forced upon us is no more,”

  431. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:27 pm

    Perhaps it’s the result of an anxiety EXclusion

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