Barnaby Joyce lashes out at “traitor” Malcolm Turnbull

The drought has dried up my field of fucks for Barnaby Joyce. But if I had a spare, I’d shove it down his fucking throat.

I fucken love Poetree

Some locals who have voted for Mr Abbott in the past could barely hide their anger at their MP’s involvement in last week’s chaotic events and told news.com.au they didn’t want to vote for him again.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/how-warringah-voters-feel-about-tony-abbott/news-story/8f9b66aeba71cbad5dfe88a6ac230689

Good. Abbott should do everyone a favour and just f*** off.

My sentiments exactly. Too bad barney wasn`t bent over and impregnated ‘live’ for viewers. Where`s poodle when we need him??

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l notice on the previous thread; the inhouse imbecile herd are stridently denying reality; l won`t tell them that newcastleUni is testing their printed flexible solarPanel on their buildings. The cost is ten bucks a square meter. The short odd bet is this will be available well before the teabags can build a new coal burner or have finished mangling snowy.

There really isn’t going to be enough popcorn to go around, is there

Cabinet minister Michaelia Cash has become the latest target of the payback culture inside the Liberal Party, after allegations emerged that she declined to provide a witness statement to the Australian Federal Police investigating the leaking of a union raid from within her office.

https://www.afr.com/news/michaelia-cash-declined-to-give-afp-statement-on-union-raids-fresh-claims-20180829-h14pks

…and thanks HD, but Nasking would have put up 40 or 50 videos

“In other words – “we’re all doomed”

I hope interest rates go up. I am sick of getting bugger all on my term deposits And it might stop people investing in property forcing up prices

Privatization. Yay!

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/alarm-as-top-level-security-vetting-is-outsourced-to-private-contractors-20180831-p500yy.html

I do hope he keeps it up !

What, paste a stream of “40 or 50” twitter tweets?

Nasking?

As I said I hope he gets plenty of airtime

MeToo

Hopefully, they can compare a few swear words with the trauma of having had your father dragged from his car by a cadre of armed pigs, with his kids in it, on trumped up, politically motivated charges.

And you get upset over sweary. For FUCKS Sake!

“I think you mean “For FUCK’S Sake!””

Thug’s dont’ care!

“And you get upset over sweary.”

LOL…….Yeah right………………uses his kids to fight on his behalf.

What a tough guy ……………………………fucking coward he is !

Farmers use their kids to fight on their behalf all the time when they protest. Their kids were at the ditch the witch rally as well. Whats the difference ?

Yes, I think there are better reasons to deregister the CFMEU than John Setka being a dickhead with his kids.

And really Shane, people take their kids to political rallies all the time, there is nothing wrong with that. But to get your kid – a toddler – hold a sign that contains offensive language is just outrageously irresponsible. But that just shows what a f**kwit Setka is,

AAAAH

Children know the word FUCK

But having their dad dragged from the car by armed pigs in a political stitch up. Silence

btw, the sign said Fu#k (or similar) There is a store in town emblazoned by it’s name Fukc Get a grip

Hey yomm

F*** Off

🙂

So, is yomm happy about our pm playing politics with his kids, and attacking safe schools at the same time?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/03/scott-morrison-sends-his-children-to-private-school-to-avoid-skin-curling-sexuality-discussions

people will comment on that.

AAAUUGGHHH

Now you’re “commenting” ROFL

Stupidly too one might note 😉

context

Very rare do I cut and paste another persons comments or make a comment this long but this comment from Robert Davie pretty much sums up everything I have been saying for years. I have cut and paste his comment and hope he is happy with me doing so.

“As industries and jobs have left our shores an increasing tax burden has fallen on the shoulders of those businesses and workers who are still producing. This has forced up both the cost of living and the cost of doing business in this country as the three levels of government seek funds through increasing taxation to cover their responsibilities. For example, state governments in the past funded local councils but, in recent years that finding has declined and councils have increased their rates to make up the difference. This is an example of the growing taxation burden experienced by homeowners as an increase in their cost of living.

At the same time, big business have then used their political influence to shift their tax burden away from themselves and on to workers and the community, who experience this as a reduction in public spending on benefits and services through the loss of this taxation revenue followed by an increase in taxation upon themselves as described above, further increasing the cost of living for the community.

As the cost of living rises consumer spending declines resulting in reduced employment conditions and lower wages which, in turn, result in reduced discretionary spending in the retail, hospitality and trades sector of the economy where most people are employed. This becomes a feedback cycle, hence the stubbornly low inflation level.

Total tax collected from individuals by all levels of government in 2015-2016 was $464 724 million or $464.724 billion as shown by the ABS at http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/5506.0

Total tax collected from Corporate Australia in 2015-2016 was $38 209 498 144 or $38.209 billion as can be found at https://data.gov.au/dataset/corporate-transparency/resource/b84c2b8d-c595-4219-987d-fc1add7f00f0?view_id=d693b8f3-d00e-422d-92ce-a1d24fcb9563

Given that we citizens contributed $464.7 billion dollars in tax in 2015-2016 while big business only contributed $38.2 billion, why should big business be given a tax cut?

Big business paid 7.6% of all taxes paid. How is that reasonable?

What about our schools, hospitals, defence and other expenses we must meet? No wonder the cost of living has got out of hand in this country as the tax burden of big business has been transferred onto the shoulders of the community.

Australians should be reaping the benefits of the wealth of this land such as its natural gas and minerals. Politicians from both Labor and the LNP need to explain why this country can sell 100 cubic litres of natural gas for$800 million while Qatar can sell the same quantity for $27 billion? “…. when both countries are each forecast to export roughly 100bn cubic metres of LNG, Australia’s government is expected to receive just $800m in PRRT revenues, while Qatar’s government is expected to receive $26.6bn in royalties.” https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/11/fears-australia-losing-billions-in-liquefied-natural-gas-tax-sparks-calls-for-inquiry
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/staggering-90-billion-lost-in-resources-tax-20180305-p4z2uv.html

Struggling to raise taxes has even led governments to open up property sales to foreign buyers who have pushed up prices to such an extent that our own young are now locked out of home ownership. While governments enjoy the benefit of increased stamp duty returns from this strategy, the community experiences this practice as a detrimental cost of living increase.”

fer nil to ignore

https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2018/05/which-federal-government-taxed-aussies-the-most-infographic/

GREED IS GOOD!

Do hillsong whisperer in Tongues?

https://junkee.com/scott-morrison-gender-whisperer/174136

I agree with robert davie and shane. l would also add that at least ‘half’ of the consumerBase is also starvedOut of the economy, and/or on ‘credit’ to the hilt, which means there is no bang-for-buck when any govt spending does occur.

“I prefer to support our society … not feed the LNP economy”

The society you supported locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013. You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

How many people do you plan to lock up next time TB of Queensland?

jbishop shows her hypocrisy

You mean Gillard’s “Peter Slipper look over there speech”

Yes, the one that highlighted the libs hypocrisy towards slipper, which has now been exposed for even the blindest (looking at you 😉 )

TB

I doubt there have been any cuts to the ABC. perhaps their funding has not been increased. But we have a budget deficit. The ABC for most Coalition voters is just a taxpayer funded arm for the Labor Party. The fact that ALP voter support the ABC so much proves that

Fact is we were debt free in 2007 but now we have runaway debt. Without govt spending cuts there will be no budget surplus and our foreign debt will continue to increase

Neil

ABC, Health, Social Security have all been cut in terms of inflation costs, almost every election which you call a stop to spending increase and every other living person calls it a cut because the increase no longer covers the CPI increase. Smoke and mirrors and lies and deception by politicians and you seem to only believe one set of lies and deception.

Go back to your LNP and ask them for an immediate halt to any increases in expenditure for the next 3 years for
Defence
MPs Allowances
MPs Overseas Trips
MPs Accommodation gift of $290 cash per night
MPs Flights
MPs Cheap already parliamentary meals
Outsourced Contracts
Media Staff who are trolls on the internet for the MPs
Chaplains in State Schools (should never ever be in there)

The list is endless of where they could share the pain, but they only attack a few areas and those areas are where their petty ideology is focused.

If the arseholes lead by example then some of us would understand. If they actually shared the pain.

The only party that has frozen MPs salaries and conditions is the ALP and they do it far too rarely as well.
Campbell Newmann presided over a 40% increase in MPs fucking salaries ( it was reduced to 9% after a massive outcry) while slashing and burning the state under a claim of being broke. Are you even remotely capable of understanding how wrong that is.

If a budget, spouting increases to a department, that are less than inflation, which forces that department to cut its services, as it can no longer cover those services it provides now, due to inflation, is some sort of actual increase or not cost cutting, is just utter garbage.

Your second link says it was a funding freeze.

Yea, a funding freeze, after years of cuts

fyi, a “funding freeze” is a cut you tool

TB

Howard got the budget back into surplus within 12 months of winning govt by cutting spending. The economic conditions were the same as when keating produced his last deficit budget with unemployment at 8%. Howard ran surplus budgets, his last being $20B in 2007. If they were any bigger there would have been a riot.

And the mining boom did not start until 2004 but exploded from 2008-2013 ie under Rudd/Gillard

http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/commodity-prices.html

So Howard overtaxed? If true so what? He ran surplus budgets which mean our foreign debt was not increasing. But Howard was running surplus budgets within 12 months of winning govt by cutting spending.

You just cannot admit the Howard govt was a good govt

that comply with the law

yea, laws written by a grubmint who took their own unprotected industrial action because they couldn’t work WITH THEMSELVES!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-21/have-the-right-to-strike-laws-gone-too-far/8370980

lol reb

Have I missed a spill?

#ATMA

🙂

Just in case your were left in any doubt that Tony Abbott isn’t living in a parallel universe…

I think you mean “you”

I think you mean “you”
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By the way, I don’t think indefinite detention of children is a great policy

“That was the MINING BOOM ya twit!”

TomR says it was Howard taxing the crap out of people why Howard got the budget back into surplus. You say it was due to the mining boom which did not start until 2004 even though Howard produced his first budget surplus in 2007. It is amazing the lengths lefties go to suppress the truth.

TB you locked up 50,000 boat people last time. How many next time do you plan to lock up?

TB

You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

“Kneel killed Iraqi civilians.”

I take your point. If it was an illegal was I am partly responsible because I voted for Howard. But I have not heard to many Iraqi people complain that the Americans/British got rid of Saddam

TB. You finally said something intelligent

SERENA Williams’ shocking US Open loss to Naomi Osaka left a bad taste in a lot of mouths and as much as most of the world’s Serena superfans don’t want to admit, it was almost entirely the 23-time champion’s fault.

Yes, Serena Williams often shows a lot of poor sporting behaviour on the court and this time she completely allowed her self indulgence to overshadow the sensational game of a 20 year old.

Her behaviour was disgraceful and with regard to her claims of sexism – when was the last time Federer, Nadal or Djokovic used such abuse?

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/serena-williams-camp-should-be-ashamed-after-ruining-naomi-osakas-us-open-fairytale/news-story/19bfa5e39fadd88e54a0ddd217c37816

This week; the inHouse crowd would not have noticed; 1. that dropping buckets of cement randomly from cranes in boltsville can be lethal; or 2. koala numbers expected to lower until 2050.

On a long enough timeline; the survival rate for everybody falls to zero.

Mark Knight should cough up too, just for being a fuckwit

Respectively TB

Williams may well have acted like a dickhead. That is no reason to portray her as an apelike Sambo

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-dont-get-why-the-serena-cartoon-was-racist/ar-BBNaieK?ocid=spartanntp

“Climate change happens naturally through the sun and through the moon. It’s just natural occurrences that have happened for centuries.”

And only via the arrogance of the Human Race do some believe they can reverse Mother Nature

Predictions of being able to steer the World’s climate to a certain point in one thousand years time is NOT Science anymore than an economist can say with certainty that his prediction about the economy in one thousand years time are certain.

Only the truly naive would believe otherwise.

Climate change is going to happen so just adapt

Yeah …………..we’re all going to burn up in 3-6 months.

I think Williams was correctly portrayed as a bullying poor sport. Which seems entirely accurate.

Is it possible to do a one that doesn’t look big and aggressive?

Yes, but not required.

What wasn’t required was the Sambo caricature. THAT is the issue

Google that one expert 😉

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sambo+caricature&FORM=AWIR

Doesn’t look much like Serena to me

Did everyone object to these? Or is the outrage selective?

Do any of them look like a Sambo caricature?

1. When I search Sambo, it doesn’t look anything like Serena.

2. When I search Serena caricature the images look like a fair bit like the one you’re objecting to without so much anger.

3. As it was meant to portray Serena Williams as an angry, bullying, bad sport, I don’t see that it is any more offensive in the circumstances than any of the others.

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By the way, I don’t think indefinite detention of children is a great policy

TomR only sees what he wants to see not what is actually there.

He’s a bit like the yank commentator who saw the pacifier (we call it a dummy) as a swipe towards her having a baby.

Grow up you lot

TomR only sees what he wants to see not what is actually there

Yea me, and the entire international audience

Funny how it’s just a small,cloistered set of privileged white Australians who cannot see it.

“Yea me, and the entire international audience”

WRONG ! Go read the comments on LA Times . It’s leaning heavily in favour of the Cartoonist

“WGAF what the Yanks think …” Apparently TomR does. He claims universal condemnation which I dont see.

“And I see we are no targeting nine year old kids with an opinion …”

It’s not targeting. Its a case of parents signing their kid upto a school with its own set of rules and being told to obey them. If you don’t like them go to school elsewhere.

Next she’ll bleat about having to wear a school uniform.

“4. I don’t like our flag … but I’ll respect it … until its changed … I’d like to see the Aboriginal flag incorporated, ”

I am not against changing the flag but the problem is what to change it to. The Canadians were faced with the same situation. They got it right when they changed it to the maple leaf. When people see it they say Canada. When people see our flag they have no idea what country it is.

“”2. Australian troops did not “serve” under the flag as we know it, until Vietnam …”

Yeah but not much difference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Australian_Defence_Force

And even more enlightening is here…………..

“General Birdwood dispatched an Australian flag to the 15th Infantry brigade with orders that it be flown over Harnonnieres, an honour that the commander of the 59th battalion bestowed on the first man to reach the objective, 22 year old Private Ernest Forty.[38][39] In 1918 as the 2nd Division entered the Belgian town of Chaleroi the locals turned out to greet them waving Australian flags made out of brown paper bags.[40] The children of Villers-Bretonneaux still maintain the tradition of raising the Australian flag in memory of the Australians who died in liberating the area in world war one.[41] The Australian flag was flown above the general headquarters during the Hundred Days Offensive.[42]

Even the USA flag was different in WW2 to now. A new star was added for Hawaii in 1949

And yes TB even I thought what you said was correct.

Its way too late to give the inHouse teabags ploc trainy trainy, they couldn`t organize a shag in the cathouse with a hundred bucks stapled to their foreheads.

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Canadia may or may not have got it correct with its maple leaf table cloth. With our clowntown buffoons they could only get it wrong, they haven`t got anything correct for years! l suppose you could suggest to them that they lighten that gloomy darkBlue to the brighter shade of `teabagBlue` the zombies use. Perhaps replace those stupid stars with nodes, as we are the now worlds largest buyer of nodes. Maybe we could cover that unionJack too (as it agitates the pinkists so much) with a nice big chinaRed flag (we can skip teh stars’n stripes shit) which l`m sure will pacify the pinkists.

So, the right wing nutcases spent yesterday defending a racist, and at the same time attacking a nine year old who has shown the courage of her convictions.

Way to go Straya!

The Australian flag was the red ensign until 1953! As I tried to show above!!!!

Yes it was in circulation but the blue version also was….

“In 1908, Australian Army Military Order, No 58/08 ordered the blue “Australian Ensign” to replace the Union Jack at all military establishments. From 1911 it served as the saluting flag of the Australian army at all reviews and ceremonial parades with the Union Jack being reserved for “all occasions when a representative of His Majesty the King reviews the Commonwealth forces” By traditional British understanding, the blue ensign was reserved for official government use although the red ensign, formerly the popular favourite with the general public, was nevertheless still to be seen in military circulation until after the 1953 legislation, meaning the 1st and 2nd Australian Imperial Forces served under both the blue and red versions……””

need to “ repaint the fucking Whitehouse ”

lts being painted ‘ teabagFloridaOrange’ as we speak. (-:

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l think the legacy outlets are overstimulating the pinkists with cultchaWar n’policticalCorrectnes bullshit at the moment. l don’t reckon there really is much ‘newsWorthyness’ in the 9yearOld not standing or serenas tanty myself, and is really just echoChamber stuff. Those that can’t see the ‘outrage’ can’t. Those that can, can. But neither is really important to most primate on the planet.

Shit l`m surprised you didn`t realize da colonies fought under da empires naval white ensign variants, or yoonyun jacque.

So, companies are caught ripping off workers, and our grubmint jumps in to defend them.

And people wonder why pays are not going forward.

Some idiots even try to blame the FWA?

Yes, but what IS an Australian “coat of arms”

Does it have only one arm, to represent NSw and their ‘one arm bandits”?

Is it loud and flashy to represent the tastless Queensland kulture

Or dull and dreary for Adelaide?

Does it have a hood to cope with the Melbourne weather?

And will it have two neck holes for Tasmanians?

Why would a casual employee get annual leave ?

Because he wan’t working ‘casual’ hours. He was working fulltime hours.

“worked regular, predictable hours”

only for some TB, only for sum 😉

Did he get 25%

and even IF he did

https://theconversation.com/the-costs-of-a-casual-job-are-now-outweighing-any-pay-benefits-82207

Enjoy yor holiday TB

We’re flying out to ……………….. the backyard 😦

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But it’s a nice backyard 🙂

Yes, and, that is ASSUMING you get 25%

I’ll highlight this again yomm, in case you are having reading difficulties again

Mr Maher said casual labour hire workers in the coal mining industry were typically paid an hourly rate 30 per cent below that of permanents and had no paid holidays, sick leave or job security.

And that’s before we get into all those points raised in the Conversation article

maybe the union hasn’t got the scope right.

Talk to the judge

Living is easy with eyes closed

I think the national anthem should be respected for what it represents, not because of the words it contains. I would never had stood for the national anthem when it was “god save the queen” – because it wasn’t Australia’s national anthem.

The French national anthem is an interesting example of words in a song that very few would endorse these days, but I don’t think there’s any controversy about it in France.

Well, congratulations to you reb!!

“I raised my child to be a fucking Free Thinker.I raised my child to be a fucking Free Thinker.”

That’s fine. But for school to function properly pupils need to obey the directions of teachers. That’s what her parents signed up for. If they want to take her out of that school then fine. Otherwise she should be expelled and they can home school her if they like.

We either teach kids about discipline or not and the parents here accepted that she had to obey teachers when they enrolled her. There is enough disobedience towards teachers already without starting them at 9 years old. What next ?

And as ToM points out………

First verse

“Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny’s
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts

To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows…………………”

caricature is a pronounced illustration of prominent features; not racism.

Why have so many been able to caricaturize Williams (and many other African Americans) without evoking this charge of racism?

We either teach kids about discipline or not

We also teach them independent thought. I mean, yomm allows his daughter out with illegal materials. (not that there is anything wrong with that 😉 )

There is barely any difference in the prominent features

Not that I agree with you (perish the thought), but I ask you, why has he not suffered the same OUTRAGE (anger)

Could it be that he has accurately portrayed her as a caricature, instead of simply some generic ‘ angry black woman with big lips’, the same lips used by racist cartoons of a century ago?

I mean, there is no way you could describe that image as ‘Sambo’, unlike knights

And anyone with any taste will prefer Melbourne over the Weages and Richmond over Collingwood

misunderstanding all you see

“……….“Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived

?????????????????????

WTF!……….””

Yes…………it sounds better in French

Most of the caricatures show Serena with big lips, huge backside, frizzy hair – and Afro-American. They just don’t portray the anger – and that’s because the (tactical) anger wasn’t relevant to those earlier ones.

Really Tom R, if a satirical & exaggerated cartoon is supposed to show satirical & exaggerated physical features, can you post a link to an earlier caricature that you think is suitable?

Because if the Knights one was racist, so were 90% of the previous ones that no one seemed to object to.

big lips, huge backside, frizzy hair – and Afro-American

Many caricatures do that

But it’s the STYLE in which it’s done that’s the issue

Can you answer my question

Which caricature do you think is most suitable and doesn’t exaggerate Serena’s features in a way that many seem to object to?

Fine, then which of the non bigoted ones that were apparently previously inoffensive, but show Serena with huge backside, big lips and frizzy hair, do you recommend as the guide?

I’m afraid I still can’t see the racism

Of course, that PROVES it doesn’t exist.

I’ll ask again, why did so many immediately react to that ONE

(and other caricatures have shown anger. they just don’t draw the lips as boldly red and seemingly stuck on or the hair as upright and … well … Samba-like

“I’ll ask again, why did so many immediately react to that ONE”

Simple…………….they seek to be continually outraged because of something they think they see but its not actually there

People react because of the context – Williams’ behaviour was polarising – some were sympathetic, others just regarded her as a poor sport showing seasoned gamesmanpersonship against a very inexperienced opponent.

The outraged were reacting to anything that seemed to be anti- Serena.

Knights’ cartoon was no more offensive from a racial point of view that hundreds of earlier ones, but the controversy and context around Williams’ rant and poor sporting behaviour got it some attention.

Those looking for more reasons to be outraged (and support Williams) found another target.

The real story (to me) is that a 20 year old woman of mixed ethnicity beat Williams despite her antics, showed amazing composure …and may turn into the sporting role model that Williams should be, but now can’t be

…and in further signs of how hopeless the ABC is – they’ve lost half their audience for the local breakfast radio program since they dumped Red Symons.

Good.

When you look at this photo the cartoon could have been entered into the Archibald Prize

https://www.mykhel.com/tennis/defiant-australian-newspaper-reprints-serena-cartoon-098840.htmlhttps://www.mykhel.com/tennis/defiant-australian-newspaper-reprints-serena-cartoon-098840.html

Well, I just can’t see that – which of these would not be subject to exactly the same criticism?

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=serena+caricature&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjo_oOXmMbdAhVXPHAKHVvlCjEQ_AUIDigB&biw=1365&bih=605

I don’t think it is possible to have a caricature of Serena Williams without it being capable of being called “Sambo” or “black mamma” or labled as stereotyping in some other way.

Yes, I saw that one, and my reaction is that the stereotyping is about the same as the Knights one.

Ah yes, yomms finessed reaction to cultural stigmas is put into play once more

No need to give it another thought HD…

National symbols like flags should be unifying – the current one doesn’t meet the requirement

Seems our Granfalloon Gruvmint (That’s a keeper meta, although not sure if they were the intended target?) are launching a War on Strawberries

Which the industry isn’t too happy about.

Who/what will be the first casualty?

So if Murdoch undermined Turnbull to the point of him getting kicked out , where’s the anti ALP bias?

WOW!! So Murdoch undermined Turnbull with the intention of hurting the ALP and Shorten!

That makes sense!

So Murdoch undermined Turnbull with the intention of hurting the ALP and Shorten!

How in the hell did you get there?

For the slower ones, malcayamn couldn’t deliver Shorten’s head, so off with his

I know right

But he is an arrogant prick

That is my hope, his arrogance has taken over

Wow, this is just desperate grovelling from malcayman

Guardian Australia understands that Turnbull, who is believed to habitually take notes of his conversations, was so alarmed by the call from Stokes and what he perceived to be a gathering News Corp campaign against him that he later made a separate approach to Murdoch himself.
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He pointed out he had shifted on the national energy guarantee policy so hated by many News Corp commentators and Tony Abbott and he had delivered, in part, on tax cuts.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/turnbull-was-warned-rupert-murdoch-was-trying-to-remove-him-as-prime-minister/ar-BBNxnmL?ocid=spartanntp

Reb

Congratulations !!

ToM

I am more cynical as well.

Tom R

Malcolm gave up his soul, his integrity and his honour as soon as he became PM.

Now we have an RC into Aged Care. Once again another privatisation and outsourcing success story of epic proportions.

Nursing homes & aged care are awful business sectors – costs are always under pressure, and government funding always attracts shady types who know that regulations won’t be enforced.

It is probably an industry that should be limited to charitable/not for profit institutions – they tend to run aged care more efficiently than the government and more ethically than those trying to make a profit out of it.

I particularly enjoyed, granfalloon, and may well use it against soft targets, haha.

Go easy on me, I’m still stuck at Level 1:1 😦

Or this monster …

That was probably built by the funds Rudd and Gillard kicked in

Kerryn Phelps will be preferencing the Liberals. So much for being an Independent, she should have no preference for distribution and leave it to the voters. She may as well run as the Liberal candidate.

All the religious schools around us (and there are many, thanks to howards destruction of the public system and ‘choice’) do prayers etc everyday

Not sure if it is ‘forced’, but definitely ‘encouraged’

And sheeples follow

I still laugh as one ex family friend who shipped their kids off have now lost ’em all to the church

suckers

Phelps said on the news tonight that her preferencing the Libs will help her win.

shane “ gave up his soul, his integrity and his honour as soon as he became PM ”

Sorry shane disagree bigtime. By the time talkbull became prime meddler he had proven himself as mr-rabbits willing rent boy to team and nation; by filling the fiber network with telegraph wire. Those that paid attention already had him marked as a weak, obedient fool; which we confirmed thru treasury to the tune of 120mill; on optional postal voting. Yes the swooners thought he had the charm to get the ‘deals’ done. Just not the brains to know the ‘deals’ were duds.

Now “ we have an RC into Aged Care. Once again another privatisation and outsourcing success story of epic proportions ”

At least the slomo tunc ‘seems’ to be learning. He doesn`t seem to need dragging kicking and screaming to this one; unlike the finance royal-comm. l don`t think much of him tho; he is just another zombie that is now pretending friendly after a reasonably solid history of couching vileness toward others in econoBabble and skyfairy talk.

he had proven himself as mr-rabbits willing rent boy to team and nation; by filling the fiber network with telegraph wire.

Get stuffed. You want to pay $500/month for fiber, pay for it yourself. NBNCo do individual installations. Cost =$15,800/premise. Like all ALP supporters you do not care about poorer people

If you are talking about the $15,800 cost to upgrade from FTTN to FTTP there are lots of links. Just google “NBN $15,800”

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22media/pressrel/5322410%22

“On 24 May 2017, in response to questions from the Senate that were already 24 days overdue, NBN Co submitted evidence which stated the average quoted cost for consumers to self-upgrade their NBN connection from copper to fibre was $15,800 under the Technology Choice Program. This figure is five times – or a shocking $12,800 per premises – greater than the $3,000 Malcolm Turnbull said it would cost. “

TB, you’ll note that universities are offering teaching places to students with a result that suggests they are barely literate.

That’s the quality of teachers in the public system.

I still can not understand why anyone would think that a taxpayer shouldn’t be able to obtain support for education of their children based on preference of school.

Particularly when there aren’t sufficient places in the public system.

It’s interesting the way union orientation here generally characterises political orientation.

For example I’ve read the LA Times for years. It is generally regarded as left – that’s it’s tradition.

But it fought doggedly against unionisation of its operations for many years.

On 24 May 2017

Yeah, who would have thought that the cost of one connection would cost so much more than if every connection was done with the same technology

Reminder nil, our copper nobn now costs more than Labor’s “Rolls Royce” mocel EVER would have

Better economic managers …… ROFL

That’s the quality of teachers in the public system.

Posibly one of the most ignorant posts yomm has ever done. And that’s saying something!

Who’d have thought that giving PRIVATE (wtf does that even mean anymore) schools $billions while simultaneously CUTTING $Billions from public schools would see standards drop in public schools.

Our local school just cut Drama because the state government cut funding because of the feds funding cuts.

Makes school hard for the daighter, who only enjoys Drama, and only put up with the rest because of it.

And then you come out with inanities like this. Dumb doesn’t begin to describe it.

We really need this mob voted out

“The government has chosen to subsidise fees for all of the students,” he told Fairfax Media.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-government-giving-catholic-schools-10-times-what-they-need-analysis-20180923-p505gz.html

Sure the Holden workers understand.

So sayeth he who knows all

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-24/michelle-guthrie-leaves-as-md-of-the-abc/10297608

Michelle Guthrie dismissed! That’s interesting – I think the ABC has been marginally more balanced over the past year or so

The fact is that the government doesn’t fund places in public schools for all students.

The government relies on the private schools to provide places – in my locality, the government would have to build an additional 6 or 7 high schools if people didn’t send their kids to private schools

So let me know when the government funds sufficient places for all students, until then private school students are entitled to taxpayer support

Criminally wrong? Really which law is that?

I’d be quite happy with a voucher – to spend at any school. If you can get a good education for the amount on the voucher – great! If not, cough up a bit more and choose another

And right now we have real estate prices inflated because of things like “the Balwyn school zone”

Just let people choose any school they like

fer yomm

https://www.theage.com.au/opinion/elizabeth-farrelly-why-private-schools-should-be-banned-20171208-h010p1.html

Right, she sounds like an expert on education, yep. Well qualified and you’re welcome to parrot whatever views she happens to spruik!

Elizabeth Farrelly is a Sydney-based columnist and author who holds a PhD in architecture and several international writing awards. A former editor and Sydney City Councilor, she is also Associate Professor (Practice) at the Australian Graduate School of Urbanism at UNSW.

https://www.domain.com.au/advice/buying-a-house-in-melbourne-the-right-school-zones-attract-a-price-premium-20160601-gp7s6p/

School zones have long been an established, much analysed driver of real estate prices

And
https://www.realestateview.com.au/blog/2018/06/school-zones-melbourne-property-prices/

Parents: expect to pay an extra $169,000 for a home inside the Camberwell High zone, and an extra $142,500 if you’d like your kids to attend Balwyn High.

The current approach to schools just isn’t working at any level-
• Teaching attracts the lowest ranked year 12 students
• The zoning policy drives real estate to be even more unaffordable
• We’re dropping down the international rankings for academic results

Really? I’ve responded to you Tom R, I don’t have to respond to someone who won’t even read this!

…and the current policy/zoning structure penalises those that can’t afford to live in wealthy suburbs. people probably find it easier to pay school fees than find $$$$$$$$ x 100000 to buy a house in a particular school zone.
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Shane – i think teaching used to be regarded as a genuine profession – it was respected and teachers were respected for their role in the community. teaching was on par with other professions that required a tertiary education for entry.

I’m not sure why teaching doesn’t command the same level of respect anyone, but I think some of the reputation damage is self inflicted.

And I think teachers in private schools have a greater sense of classroom control.

Consider these factors

1. You mentioned parents. TRUE
2. Private schools can get rid off, or not take in trouble students
3. Private schools can afford to pay more, so can select best. Public is left with the remainder, and have to take what is given.

Parents are probably more inclined to support the teachers too

Precisely. This pushing people into private has created a true three tier system. And the public is left at the bottom

! see – so your solution is to kill off the part of the system that’s producing reasonably successful students.

No, my solution is to kill of the overfunding of private schools, and fund the public system apporopriately

The fact the private system is better now is only because the libs have so completely underfunded, and over politicized, the public system

So a child should be denied support because if the choices of their parents?

ToM

You are aware that academic achievement, despite the glaring disparity in resources and benefits is actually line ball between public and private schools.

Private school delinquency is massive in comparison to the funding they receive. Drugs and Violence are prevalent in many private schools, they are not the miracle so many see,m to think they are. They are simply an expensive arm of education that should not be funded by taxpayers money. Same as private health insurance, should not be subsidised as a public alternative is available.

The government should provide education for all at the same level. If you want anything more you pay for it yourself, not the tax payer. your choice, not our cost.

“………………by suggesting we have an Australia Day for white people on 26 Jan….”

So he is suggesting that is he ?

Please provide the exact quote as I’m having trouble finding any factual evidence of it……………why am I not surprised.

I know he’s not trolling as I saw Scomo on TV at the gym at 5:45am this morning extolling its virtues. But no mention of white people did I note.

I actually have no real problem with it. Maybe we should just have an Indigenous Day on the Queens Birthday holiday which as we know is not even her birthday. And move Naidoc week to the same week. Or perhaps declare a holiday Melbourne Cup day Australia wide. Nothing gets done anyway
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Only problem is the Left will still scream and shout about the 26th of January anyway.

So, you think mollifying thems peasants with a ‘special day’ whilst the rest run about enjoying invasion day like nothing happened is fine.

Are you as blindly ignorant as a happy clapper?

I’d be entirely happy to use 1 Jan – and call it Federation of Australia Day.

Or have another national day to replace the Queens Birthday or the NSW bank holiday etc

Plenty to celebrate

Depends on your privilege doesn’t it?

“I think creating a separate day while retaining white supremacist day is a monumentally fucking stupid idea.”

Really ?

I’ve been to a few Australia Day citizenship ceremonies and plenty of Australia Day events over the years and there are plenty of people celebrating that are certainly not white. In fact the whites are sometimes in a minority.

Plenty of Arabs, Indians and Asians celebrating the day.

You must live in a very cloistered inner city green leftist white area I guess.

Keep up the “white “self loathing……….it suits you

So, expecting true inclusiveness is ‘self loathing’

Please Explain?

“………………..battle formations and leaders that put the Romans to shame”

LOL……….but then came the Normans in 1066

Its such a tiresome argument when its a multi-coloured crowd that actually attend the ceremony.

They will soon learn, like the ‘Afrikaan gangs’ have, that it is ALL about colour. (then class, then sex)

And for you to pretend it doesn’t exist is …………. not surprising 😦

“”………… along with changing Australia day to another day suitable for all is a small price to pay to address wrongs.”

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN !

Yet more virtue signaling.

I know let’s have an “Apology Day”…………………………..oh hang on ! LOL

Yet more virtue signaling.

Why is being inclusive “Yet more virtue signaling.”?

Why is pointing out blatant racism “Identity Politics”?

Why do you feel the need to wrap everything in vapid, derogatory snipes?

“Why do you feel the need to wrap everything in vapid, derogatory snipes?”

Because I like your writing style so much I try to copy it

What racism ?

Ignoring the Aboriginal issues with Australia day reflects our grubmints racism

Trying to fob it off with a pittance to mollify them is just embarrassing

No matter what you screech and scream the date will be changed , there are far more citizens with their eyes open these days than closed.

It would be refreshing if you actually dealt in FACTS occasionally. It can become a habit

Your own Lefty chronicle

“A majority of Australians want to leave Australia Day where it is on 26 January and 70% say they believe everyone can celebrate on that day, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll “.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/sep/05/most-voters-want-australia-day-to-stay-on-26-january-guardian-essential-poll

Perhaps it’s the result of an anxiety EXclusion