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Why was Michelle Guthrie Sacked from the ABC?

September 24, 2018

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Controversial Managing Director Michelle Guthrie has been sacked from the ABC effective immediately.

According to a statement released by the ABC, the decision was made when the directors resolved that it was “not in the best interests of the ABC” for Ms Guthrie to continue to lead the organisation.

Guthrie has been widely criticised as an LNP lackey who has orchestrated a “dumbing down” of the national broadcaster steering its focus away from political analysis and current affairs and more towards “lifestyle” programming.

No explanation has been offered for Guthrie’s sacking but given the broadcaster has kicked around as a political football for the last ten years or so it begs the question as to whether there has been political intervention in this latest turn of events.

Are they paving the way for a potential Labor Federal Government, or has there been some divine intervention in the interim?

 

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  1. September 24, 2018 10:37 am

    The Australian recently published a “rift” between Guthrie and the Chairman of the Board.

    Warning: this comment contains a link to The Australian..

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/abc-chair-milne-md-guthrie-split-over-its-future-ties-frosty/news-story/8442517257a72d3b985d9a5cf4aaa9f0

  2. Shane in QLD permalink
    September 24, 2018 10:52 am

    Hi Reb

    What is interesting is that the board has been stacked with IPA stooges, so was Michelle not disruptive enough for them to destroy the ABC from within. Or are the board worried about the fist full of dollars they are rewarded each fortnight for the disgraceful job they are doing and will probably lose if the ALP win the next election.

    I have heard that there are a number of big businesses that have are no longer donating to the LNP coffers for the next election and are secretly meeting with the ALP due to them believing that an ALP win is inevitable.

  3. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 10:57 am

    libs are about to get kicked out
    their toady was halfway through her term

    yea, it’s a mystery 😉

  4. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2018 10:58 am

    An alternative possibility

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 24, 2018 11:02 am

    “What is interesting is that the board has been stacked with IPA stooges”

    I am not really up on this. Do you have a link? I remember people saying the same thing about the Howard govt -that he stacked the board. I eventually found out the truth. Instead of being stacked with lefties Howard managed to get one or 2 conservative people onto the ALP stacked ABC board

  6. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 11:46 am

    Neil

    Look up the people on the board yourself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 11:47 am

    Tom R

    They could be right, it could be sacking for the ABC breaking the Murdoch, Stokes election manipulation. Seems the most logical reason.

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 24, 2018 12:39 pm

    Shane

    You made the statement that the ABC board has been stacked with IPA stooges. Prove it.

    In my experience the only party who stacks boards is the ALP

  9. September 24, 2018 1:12 pm

    “”In my experience””

    As what, exactly…?

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2018 1:15 pm

    Should have posted here –

    ————
    Shane, what I’ve noticed is that ABC interviewers now seem to allow politicians to complete a sentence before they interrupt.

    Previously they’d interrupt to argue the point after about 3 words.

  11. Another`Dud`Teabag permalink
    September 24, 2018 1:34 pm

    Just another dud. I reckon the short odd bet is my abc boardroom is trying to save themselves by dumping the guthrieDud, anointed by the talkbullDud, before next fedVote results in a cleansweep of teabagStooges from my abc boardroom.

  12. shaneinqld permalink
    September 24, 2018 2:42 pm

    ToM

    Really, what I see now are LNP politicians raising their voices to end up yelling at the host if they are not allowed a totally unreasonable amount of time to answer a questions with waffle and fluff and skirt around the actual question because the hosts are now terrified to be independent.

  13. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    September 24, 2018 3:15 pm

    So “ VIC has 26 people to cover each km2 of poles and wires where as QLD has 2 to cover each km2 of poles and wires. So VIC cost should be 13 times cheaper than QLD. ” @Tick

    The @same applies to; sewer, drainage, gas, and freshWater pipes, telecom wires, electric wires, sealed roads and railway lines. (and probably more stuff)

    The inHouse dumbfcuk regularly quotes; “ 15,800 .. 12,800 per premises ” and ignores ALL OTHER info, implying it is a ‘paid to dribble’ troll run out of an ipa/teabag ‘sabotage the fiber’ unit.

    ____

    You would have to be a ‘wilfull’ troll to swallow the numbers and continually regurgitate them. Why? Because they are an ‘average’ or ‘median’ number; which includes running fiber thousands of KMs across the nullabor, and hundreds of KMs between populated areas. All without a single user connected.

    All the inHouse dumbfcuk proves is its own stupidity. lt is clearly satisfied with the sheer waste its team has created by sabotaging the fiber and; entrenching the failure of wireCo to its competitors.

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 24, 2018 4:04 pm

    Cut the Wires

    You are on the wrong thread.

    BTW did Rupert Murdoch arrange this sacking?

  15. September 24, 2018 5:06 pm

    [”In my experience””

    As what, exactly…?]

    Excellent question!

  16. September 24, 2018 5:12 pm

    Kneel, had Bolt for breakfast…again.

    YumYum, shit sandwich with the lot.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2018 6:57 pm

    Why was Guthrie kicked? She’s a Fifield agent and a fuckwit to boot … (intended)

  18. Its`my`ABC`Teabag permalink
    September 24, 2018 8:36 pm

    Oh hasn`t the wailing been grand over at my ultimo centric abc tonight. Tehdrum was nearly non stop on the guthrie dud and reportland followed suit. Don`t forget its monday so qandaland and mediawatch echoChambering is sure to follow. Nothing pleases the legacy outlets more than talking to themselves about themselves.

  19. Its`MY`Abc`Teabag permalink
    September 24, 2018 9:18 pm

    Bagzy had a little network,

    its echo chamber black as charcoal.

    And every time that rupert passed,

    he`d boot it up the arse hole!

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2018 9:18 am

    Why ALL religion is dangerous … with too much power

    https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/sep/24/maldives-authorities-destroy-marine-artwork-for-being-un-islamic

    Fucking ridiculous!!!

  21. September 25, 2018 11:56 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  22. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    September 25, 2018 4:29 pm

    Your guardian echo chamber was

    Ahead of the pack on this one.

    When “ asked about The Forgotten Children, the heartbreaking program about the children stranded on Nauru as a result of Australia`s refugee policies, Guthrie qualified her praise of the program by saying they should have sought out some happy children to interview as well. There weren`t any, said one staffer. Underwhelmed and gobsmacked were just some of the reactions to Guthrie’s contribution, sources told Guardian Australia.

    An indication of “ how controversial her leadership has become emerged on Friday when her Wikipedia page was defaced. She was described as a “corporate_stooge” for News International and as “director of corporate greed” for Foxtel.

    In December 2015, “it was announced that Guthrie would become damaging director of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), replacing Mark Scott who retired in April 2016,” her Wiki page has been edited to say.

    ROFL @it seems my friends of my abc had some great fun with that wiki page (-:

  23. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 9:22 am

    So, murdoch gets a pm sacked, and the pm gets the ABC head sacked

    Welcome to #auspol 😦

    “We are tarred with her brush. I think it’s simple. Get rid of her. We need to save the ABC – not Emma. There is no guarantee they [the Coalition] will lose the next election.”

    https://www.afr.com/business/media-and-marketing/abc-chairman-justine-milne-wanted-emma-alberici-fired-report-20180925-h15v8h

    https://twitter.com/NickRossTech was just the first one to succumb, as he said at the time.

    The political interference in the public broadcaster is just out of control, and nothing is being done about it.

    Labor need a big broom when they get in.

  24. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    September 26, 2018 12:20 pm

    The teabag interference in my abc HAS been continual, and on all fronts. Emma and my abc techNerd are just a couple of many, that have been personally attacked for doing their job PROPERLY. There has also been teabag flavored PROGRAMMING interference too, remember qandaland being wrongly removed from the ‘entertainment’ division, and put in the ‘news and’ whatever division?? Are we all enjoying the scienceFact based cattlist now converted to a LifeStyleHealth show??

  25. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 12:31 pm

    “”Emma and my abc techNerd are just a couple of many, that have been personally attacked for doing their job PROPERLY””

    Utter Bullshit

    Emma does not know the fundamentals of tax law and that was illustrated in her article. That’s why the ABC had to correct her crap article.

  26. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    September 26, 2018 12:53 pm

    Such as??

  27. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:17 pm

    Carry forward tax losses would be a good start

  28. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:21 pm

    Emma does not know the fundamentals of tax law and that was illustrated in her article.

    Please, explain HER mistakes (not debunked rabble)

  29. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:39 pm

    So why was it corrected

    Oh maybe because it was completely misleading……………

    “But it’s hard to see how a lower tax rate is an incentive for investment when one in five of our biggest companies haven’t paid any corporate tax at all in at least three years.”

    Of course she “””forgot” to point out that was due to carry forward tax losses prefering to allow the reader to use their imagination of evil tax accountants and lawyers dreaming up schemes to avoid tax.

  30. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:44 pm

    And she has no idea of the difference between Revenue and Profit

    “Ditto for JPMorgan Chase which raked in collected $2.2 billion and hasn’t paid corporate tax since at least 2013.”

  31. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:45 pm

    So why was it corrected

    Have you not been watching the headlines the past few days?

    #theirabc is truly THEIR abc

    it is corrupted almost beyond repair

    it is the political whipping boy of the conservatives, and does it’s bidding

  32. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:46 pm

    And she has no idea of the difference between Revenue and Profit

    That doesn’t show ignorance, it clearly shows the outcome of of our bullshit laws.

  33. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 1:54 pm

    “””That doesn’t show ignorance, it clearly shows the outcome of of our bullshit laws.”

    They are not “bullshit laws””.

    You pay tax on your profit not on your revenue.

    You can have a problem with how the tax is calculated but it’s complete ignorance to get revenue and profit mixed up

  34. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 2:04 pm

    As I pointed out, this doesn’t display them getting mixed up, just the outcome

  35. Show`Me`The`Teabag permalink
    September 26, 2018 2:35 pm

    Carry ” forward tax losses would be a good start ” @strike.one

    she ” forgot to point out that was due to carry forward tax losses ” @strike.two!

    alberici ” 2) I acknowledged repeatedly that Qantas forward carried losses to offset against profits ” @see.tweet

    So ” explain HER mistakes ” @Tick

    YES @numbNuts l DID keep a copy of her ORIGINAL post and will return later to club you with your own factless stupidy @bye.bye @back.under.rock

  36. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 3:19 pm

    You cannot interchange/mix up Revenue and Profit without showing ignorance

  37. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 3:22 pm

    Teabag you are too difficult to decipher due to your stupid style so I will not reply to your posts

  38. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 3:32 pm

    You cannot interchange/mix up Revenue and Profit without showing ignorance

    But you CAN highlight how much revenue a company is churning, and how much tax they are paying.

    It doesn’t show ignorance of the system, it highlights the inequities in it

    I mean, if I only paid tax on profit, I wouldn’t pay bugger all either

    After my bills, there isn’t really much ‘profit’ left.

  39. Ware`is`My`Teabag permalink
    September 26, 2018 3:51 pm

    are “ too difficult to decipher ” @ROFL

    That`s ok blubbers, l fully understand you. For some around here, anything more than slogan-in, slogan-out to form their opinion is way `too-difficult` to deal with. We definitely wouldn`t want to stray into thinking-for-self territory. We could find ourselves getting quite huffy if we did so.

  40. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 4:01 pm

    “I mean, if I only paid tax on profit, I wouldn’t pay bugger all either”

    So you want to tax gross income is that correct. If so what %

    I’ll just wait here smiling

  41. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2018 4:15 pm

    So you want to tax gross income is that correct.

    They do it with me.

    Which really is what that article was highlighting

  42. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 4:34 pm

    What you have absolutely no expenses in earning income ?

    None at all

  43. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    September 26, 2018 4:48 pm

    if ” I only paid tax on profit, I wouldn`t pay bugger all either .. After my bills, there isn`t really much `profit` left. ” @same.here @sometimes its a negative number

    you ” CAN highlight how much revenue a company is churning, and how much tax they are paying ” @Tick

    It ” doesn`t show ignorance of the system, it highlights the inequities in it ” @Tick

    Yes @both emma`s post and the ato stats that triggered it WERE highlighting the inequalities and unfairness between the average citizen and corporates treatment by the ato. (now watch dopey say but its legal)

    ____

    So ” you want to tax gross income is that correct ”

    TeamCheerer didn`t say that. You are being dishonest. TC is pointing out that corporations get to pay all kinds of ‘bills’ before (if) taxable profit is declared. Yet minimal earners pay tax first, before they pay ANY ‘bills’ and can NOT avoid most (all) other taxes. You claim to be an accountant and yet you need me to correct you on this?

  44. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 5:01 pm

    “”You claim to be an accountant and yet you need me to correct you on this?””

    Don’t bother thinking you are boosting your standing you are not correcting me on anything you fucking idiot .

    Go read the Tax Act you fucking moron. Read the part that talks about business expenses in producing income and try and differentiate that from domestic personal consumption. Then try and explain how your home gas bill contributes directly to producing taxable income.

    Your arguments are a complete fucking waste of time. They are just profoundly fucking stupid like you

  45. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    September 26, 2018 6:14 pm

    A factory worker cannot deduct his airconditioning power costs that ensure he gets proper sleep to return to work safely the following day. Yet the factory and office space aircon is deductable.

    The factory worker also has an old car used solely for driving to the factory and return home only, this car/fuel/rego/insur was not deductable years ago, Has it changed? (the wife has the good car) Yet the factory and office vehicles and fuel/rego/insur are all deducable. Yes legal and not the point. Just UNFAIR which is the point of the ato stats and emma`s post, which you seem to have zero concept of. And yes, l know you did not read emma`s original post.

  46. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2018 10:06 pm

    You truly are profoundly stupid aren’t you.

    What the fuck don’t you get about domestic v business expenditure you idiot ?

    Business expenses are for direct income producing activity.

    Using your stupid fucked logic I should also be able to deduct my bbq lobster and prawn dinner because it gives me the energy to jump in my tax deductible luxury car to go to work.

    You are a fucking moron just fuck off with your stupidity

  47. Tom R permalink
    September 27, 2018 8:56 am

    None at all

    Nope, none at all.

    Unlike the multi $billion companies, I don’t have an extensive swathe of tax loopholes with which to hide my ‘profits’ away in

    business expenses in producing income

    So, all of these companies spend all the money they make, including ‘profits’, on running their business? Even you can’t believe that

    Which is what Alberici’s accurate article highlighted.

    Which is why #theirabc came up with their bullshit ‘nine errors’

  48. Tom R permalink
    September 27, 2018 9:16 am

    This whole thing still reeks of the libs restacking the board just before they get turfed.

    All of this is because of their past stacking. It’s only going to get worst

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2018/09/26/abc-chairman-justin-milne-exit-ramp/

  49. Tom R permalink
    September 27, 2018 9:57 am

    “@barriecassidy nails it about how Murdoch’s hatred of the ABC emboldened the government to go after the ABC itself”

  50. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    September 27, 2018 4:43 pm

    Just got in and saw the good news on my abc24 from previous mediawatch dude jonathan holmes. Holmes said ‘milne was talkbulls pick for the position and his mate from their ozemail days. For the last 3-weeks my abc boardroom has known about trying to dump guthrie, alberici and probyn.’ @very glad to see talkbulls stooge jettisoned.

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 27, 2018 6:21 pm

    So, all of these companies spend all the money they make, including ‘profits’, on running their business? Even you can’t believe that

    Why don’t you show us how it is done. Use your spare bedroom to make something. Don’t know what, say clocks. Buy the raw materials, make the clocks, deduct all your expenses and see if you make a profit.

    People can do what companies do. You can run a business from your home, deduct the expenses, sell what you make and maybe you may make a profit. But maybe not

  52. Can`You`Count`Teabag permalink
    September 27, 2018 6:55 pm

    I “ don`t have an extensive swathe of tax loopholes

    Nah, neither do l TC. The tax agent is trying to impress you with its knowledge (pointless) of `line-items` and `tax-regs` while stripping the `context` of the ato stats and emma`s post which we have told it several times; the context is `fairness`. As we both know, desk jockeys impressed with their own paper shuffling; usually can`t relate the `line-items` to the world outside.

    ____

    There also seems to be no reason now; not to take a new broom to my abc boardroom and management; and cleansweep all teabag and other political or other corporate lemmings right out of my abc once and for all. The public continually tell us; my abc is one of the most trusted organisations in the country; and they want it fully functional too.

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 27, 2018 7:11 pm

    “I “ don`t have an extensive swathe of tax loopholes ”

    Bit unfair. But if you got off your butt, made something like say clocks in your home you could deduct all the expenses for making the clocks. Would you make a profit? I doubt it. It is a tough job to run a business and make a profit

  54. Clockwork`Teabag permalink
    September 27, 2018 8:47 pm

    By all means; teabags should start clock building factories; l`m sure da-banks will back them. They will fit right in with teabags telegraphWires and `last-century` transport being re-installed in jonestown by state based teabags. @yaaay.waste @yaaay.gladys

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 27, 2018 8:59 pm

    My point was why don’t you get off your butt and make something rather than winging and complaining all the time

    How about making a contribution rather than taking all the time

  56. Its`My`ABC`Teabag permalink
    September 27, 2018 11:00 pm

    Mr denmore is agreeing with me again

    http://failedestate.com/the-abc-of-trust/

    ____

    l prefer to stay on the ground instead of winging or flying

  57. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 8:43 am

    How did it ever get to this?

    Exclusive: Documents reveal almost all the directors of the ABC’s eight-member board appointed by communications minister

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/27/abc-board-members-appointed-by-fifield-despite-being-rejected-by-merit-based-panel?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  58. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 8:49 am

    btw nil, you are a priceless idiot

  59. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 9:08 am

    Hell yes. Shove that one where yor bike seat don’t fit.

    “The people of Borroloola people are expressing what a lot of First Nations people are feeling across Australia, that this is a waste of their time,” McCarthy said.

    “They don’t want Tony Abbott as their voice, they have their own voice and they are prepared to use it.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/27/tony-abbott-condemned-by-indigenous-parliamentarians-after-nt-visit

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 9:10 am

    Milne failed the IQ test. Why would he write an email like that!?

  61. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 9:16 am

    Why would he write an email like that!?

    THAT’S yor take out of all this?

    Not “How can almost the entire board become so compromised!!” ??

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 28, 2018 9:19 am

    “btw nil, you are a priceless idiot”

    I take that as a complement. By the way looks like Labor will win the next election. YOU locked up 50,000 boat people last time. How many people do you plan to lock up next time?

  63. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 9:28 am

    At least they had a process (that is, they didn’t keep them there indefinitely) and they didn’t treat them inhumanely

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 28, 2018 9:44 am

    Typical. Rather than apologise for creating all this stinking mess you try and make some kind of moral equivalence argument. Just apologise

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report/2-onshore-detention-and

    2.4 Mental health impacts of detention
    Between January 2011 and February 2013 there were 4,313 incidents of actual, threatened and attempted serious self-harm recorded in immigration detention facilities in Australia.[73] In the 2012–2013 financial year there were 846 incidents of self-harm across the immigration detention network.[74]
    Between 1 July 2010 and 20 June 2013, there were 12 deaths in immigration detention facilities. Coroners have found that six of those deaths were suicides

  65. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 9:47 am

    So are you ok with a public broadcaster beiong subverted like this and made into a government mouthpiece?

  66. Know`Solutions`Teabag permalink
    September 28, 2018 9:53 am

    Quite frankly l`m sick to death of the corporate owned duopoly running the ‘trickle-down’, ‘starve-the-beast’ gutting of govt, flogging off public assets and private-public pork-barreling making corporates kings and turning more of us into serfs. This puppet democracy we are stuck with is just running the country into the ground. l wonder just how bad it will actually need to get before any of the real problems are attempted to be solved.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 10:20 am

    The ABC is so full of partisan types there’s no danger of it becoming a mouthpiece, unless the Greens happen to form government

  68. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 10:23 am

    So, the only evidence of any partisanship comes from the conservative side, and there is massive amounts of evidence for that, and you still claim no problem.

    Keep yor head well and truly planted yomm, nothing to see here

  69. Come`Fly`With`Me`Teabag permalink
    September 28, 2018 10:37 am

    Keep “ yor head well and truly planted yomm

    lt has been inserted deep for 4-years now, not that l`m counting. The ‘teabag-partisan’ my abc has diligently regurgitated two prime meddlers unchallenged that imbecile boardrooms flying over war-bird graveyards is tewwa. @mh17

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 10:44 am

    No, obviously Milne is partisan, and there’s plenty of partisan opinions on ABC radio – although I think Fran Kelly has toned it down a little over the last few months.

    Jon Faine hasn’t

  71. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 10:47 am

    I think Fran Kelly has toned it down a little over the last few months.

    Yes, she isn’t cheering the libs as much since malcayman went is she

    Jon Faine is a pretty straight shiite
    Do you have evidence of partisanship, or is it just he calls the bullshit?

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 11:01 am

    Faine – generally soft interviews for state government ministers and very soft on Greens

    I think Fran Kelly has been more carefully balanced for many months. She now interviews politicians rather than debating them

  73. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 11:04 am

    Faine isn’t soft on anyone

    yor on drugs yomm

  74. Flavor`Of`The`Teabag permalink
    September 28, 2018 1:08 pm

    l don`t listen to radio; but my short odd bet is fran and faine toed the line and maintained the mh17 framed as tewwa and not challenged prime meddlers on airline boardroom stupidity flying over war-bird graveyards for viewers. The ‘flavor’ of the radio will match the flavor of my abcTV and website.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 2:00 pm

    I don’t mind if the ABC has opinionated people broadcasting, but it needs to reflect the various political opinions.

    This is where it fails

  76. Tom R permalink
    September 28, 2018 2:42 pm

    This is where it fails

    Yes

    The only “opinion” presented is the current grubmints

  77. Back`Under`Rock`Teabag permalink
    September 28, 2018 3:53 pm

    I guess we won`t be seeing the tax agent for a while TC. The royal-comm preliminary findings are agreeing with you and me, not him and his support for boardroom level entrenched crime and corruption. The toothless tiger so called ‘regulators’ are getting a good spanking too.

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 4:00 pm

    I think Raphael Epstein is very balanced and is great radio, unlike Faine he doesn’t behave as a smart arse with people he disagrees with.

    He has informed and respectful interviews. There ought to be more like him on the ABC.

  79. Walrus permalink
    September 28, 2018 4:47 pm

    “…..not him and his support for boardroom level entrenched crime and corruption”

    Got a link for that dickhead ?

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 5:34 pm

    You should regard having a personal troll as a badge of honour!

  81. Walrus permalink
    September 28, 2018 5:50 pm

    I would if it was at all intelligent.. Teabagz is like lava lamps…fun to look at but not very bright.

    If you don’t know what you are talking about don’t put it in writing

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 5:54 pm

    When Faine doesn’t badger his guests into submission, he turns into a smart arse, and even a racist one –

    https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/offensive-jon-faine-complaint-upheld-20180820-p4zyho.html

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2018 5:59 pm

    Or he gets his entertainment by hanging s**t on people with a disability, Faine is an opioniated arsehole –

    https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/abc-s-jon-faine-criticised-over-deeply-uncomfortable-interview-20180329-p4z6u3.html

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    September 30, 2018 6:21 pm

    How many people do you plan to lock up next time?

    Just one make sure you have your clock making tools handy.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He has informed and respectful interviews. There ought to be more like him on the ABC.

    Would you’re non-partisan opinion apply to the other media outlets too? … 9, 7, 10, 4BC (in Qld) and whatever radio call sign applies elsewhere … the Hadley’s and Smith’s and Jones’s … ie the RIGHT WING ATTACK SQUADRON!

    If nothing else ABC brings balance to the political discussion … and like union bashing to rid the workplace playing field of the other teams along with strategies like “kill Bill” … the media ALL attack the ABC – simply because of the BALANCE it brings to the “game”.

    Welcome to the 51st State of the Republican USA …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “…..not him and his support for boardroom level entrenched crime and corruption”

    Got a link for that dickhead ?

    https://financialservices.royalcommission.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Noice to see the “gang’s all here still”

    (Not a computer in sight for four days – heaven ……………. and hell)

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 30, 2018 7:01 pm

    I don’t care about the political orientation of commercial stations TB, but I am required to support the ABC, without any option of not supporting them.

  86. Ware`is`my`Teabag permalink
    September 30, 2018 8:27 pm

    but “ I am required to support the ABC

    Pretty much utter crap yomm, on many levels. For a start browsers, tv, radio can all be changed to ‘other’ sites and channels.

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    September 30, 2018 9:09 pm

    I don’t care about the political orientation of commercial stations TB, but I am required to support the ABC, without any option of not supporting them.

    So you are happy for the moronic millions to be brainwashed by the Murdoch Bullshit Machine?

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 30, 2018 9:23 pm

    TB, If I had the option of not paying for the ABC, I’d be happy for them to broadcast whatever they like.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 30, 2018 9:27 pm

    I have the option of not listening to or reading other news programs.

    But what do you think about a taxpayer funded broadcaster making a racist point about NBN contractors and teasing someone with a disability?

  90. Ware`is`my`Teabag permalink
    September 30, 2018 9:35 pm

    My bet is he is chewing on the 7-cents a day, 50-cents a week (imbeciles delight) taxation bolt has convinced him to fret about. While ignoring he pays a shit load more to all other media via advertising budget product royalty on nearly all products he buys, or govt advert spends.

  91. Shane in QLD permalink
    October 1, 2018 6:55 am

    ToM

    The ABC is able to investigate the private sector without the threat of advertising revenue being removed. What TV station would investigate Aged Care, Greyhound Racing, Franchises, Banks, Insurance Companies etc etc. They can do so because they are not reliant on advertising revenue. The rest of the channels are gutless and use smoke and mirrors to cloud any reporting because they would lose the revenue from that organisation.

    The other stations only report the after facts once the ABC has done the investigation, prepared a programme and reported on the theft and utter disgraceful actions of CEOs in so many companies.

    The ABC is now needed more than ever when a media mogul is happy to lose hundreds of millions of dollars to maintain a media presence for the sole objective of influencing political outcome for his advantage.

    Very sad if you fail to see the reason we have a public broadcaster of the calibre of the ABC.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 8:16 am

    Just read this article

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/01/how-a-disastrous-change-in-perspective-disempowered-the-left-and-let-the-right-rise

    Considerable evidence could thus be adduced for the Bush-was-a-moron theory.

    But what followed politically? If Bush was the stupidest of the stupid white men, how had he come to power? Who had voted for him? Most of all, why weren’t ordinary people rising up against the dangerous buffoon who ruled them?

    Moore’s book drew a simple conclusion. “[I]f you live in a country,” he wrote, “where 44 million can’t read – and perhaps close to another 200 million can read but usually don’t – well, friends, you and I are living in one very scary place.” The moron president remained in power because the American people were themselves moronic. Stupid White Men described Bush as the “idiot leader of an idiot nation”, and explained that “it comes as no surprise to foreigners that Americans, who love to revel in their stupidity, would ‘elect’ a president who rarely reads anything – including his own briefing papers”.

    Frightening stuff when you consider Trump, Duterte, Putin, Kim, Ji Jingping, May and our “lovable all round Aussie Bogan” Morrison …

    Seven people who can have a massive influence (life and death) over 7.5 million people.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 8:17 am

    But what do you think about a taxpayer funded broadcaster making a racist point about NBN contractors and teasing someone with a disability?

    No idea what you mean. (Seriously)

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 8:20 am

    Very sad if you fail to see the reason we have a public broadcaster of the calibre of the ABC.

    Hear! Hear! Shane! Well (and succinctly) put!

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 8:27 am

    But what do you think about a taxpayer funded broadcaster making a racist point about NBN contractors and teasing someone with a disability?

    Actually if that’s true … I’m a little disappointed that you need to ask … and I’m sure there are “explanations” …

    But the odd “mistake” does not outweigh the greater good of news and in depth reporting as Shane points out … politics aside the ABC drama, docos, satire and comedy is usually way more entertaining and “adult” (read intellectually stimulating) than Neighbours, 800 Words, Home and Away … The Block, Bachelor or Beachfront Bargain Hunt!

  96. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 8:37 am

    Thanks TB

    I have also been angry at the ABC at times but I acknowledge they are absolutely required in a democracy where otherwise our media is controlled by advertisers and their almighty dollar or very rich billionaires who can affords to lose money while maintaining political pressure on governments.

    One classic example, Kochi always claimed we did not need a RC into Banks, why ?. Probably because the CBA and Commsec are a big part of their revenue.

    Also Murdoch is subsidised by us as well, what about the $30,000,000, what did we get for that, where is it, where is the cost benefit analysis, why is Murdoch not open to scrutiny and fairness for that $30,000,000 of taxpayers money he received?

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2018 9:04 am

    Look at the links I provided TB – that’s just in the past 6 months – they’ve had to apologies for the behaviour of Faine.

    Faine behaves in the same argumentative and provocative manner with anyone he feels like. If he can’t badger people he disagrees with – he becomes snide and tried to irritate them.

    Taxpayers should not fund broadcasters like that.

    And I’m not sure what point TB & Shane are trying to make about my comments – I’ve already said I appreciate people like Raphael Epstein on the ABC – he is an inquisitive journalist who doesn’t try to impose his opinions or personality. If all ABC broadcasters and TV hosts followed his approach – there would be no political criticism.

    And they would be providing an outstanding public service.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2018 9:32 am

    And by the way, “Community Radio” 3CR gets plenty of public funding – it broadcasts the left equivalents of loudmouth shock jocks – and no one listens.

    I presume there are equivalents in other states.

    The left have their own dedicated radio stations- supported by taxpayers

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:03 am

    ToM … I have no idea who fkn Faine is … you seem to be cherry picking one DH amongst 100+ professional presenters… as for listening to radio I generally listen to (my era) music on 4KQ Classic Hits … and occasionally keep the “enemy closer” and chuckle at 4BC wankers … and their BS!

  100. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:21 am

    ToM

    3CR is a totally different entity than the ABC. It is not funded by the taxpayer and it is supported by mostly volunteers. It relies on community donations, so there must be someone listening who is prepared to donate, Its audience is limited while the ABC audience is the whole country.

    The point i am trying to make is that we need a strong ABC not one that is being accused of being left wing bias every week while all investigations have virtually found nothing. A mistake here or there is hardly a left wing conspiracy of epic proportions.

    As for paying for it, my taxes pay for schools and I have never had children. There are cross subsidisations everywhere, that is what a community is.

    As for no political criticism, I am not adverse to criticism of the ABC, as both sides do it. I am utterly appalled at the political interference over the last 5 years from one side of politics in electing board members, slashing funding, bowing to demands from Pauline Hanson. Demanding that the ABC provide equal time for things such as immunisation by the proven scientists and some nut jobs who claim immunisation is bad. It is utterly ridiculous to expect the ABC to give equal time to both sides of an argument if one side is not proven.

    The board has been stacked and for that this government should be sacked itself. It has politicised the ABC by stealth.

    There are far more people who love the ABC than hate it and it will be a real election issue come next year. It already has the strictest charter of any media organisation in the country where the others can actually tell lies, bullshit and total utter crap and not have to worry about being brought to task. The US Supreme Court ruled that Murdoch tabloid can tell lies, that it was ok to tell lies to the public, that lies were ok. Thats enough for me to want to keep a public broadcaster paid for by taxation and not donations, advertising or any other means of manipulation.

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:22 am

    Well TB, Hadley & Jones aren’t broadcast here, but you use them as examples of broadcasting to be avoided. They don’t rate here because Melbourne doesn’t have the mass bogan demographic of Brisbane and Sydney.

    But Faine’s huge salary is entirely paid by taxpayers- taxpayers deserve impartiality and inquiry, not loudmouths that insult the disabled, and use needling tactics and racism when the interview/opinion piece isn’t going their way.

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:33 am

    Shane, 3CR gets plenty of public funding, and donations. The point is that the station is a vehicle for broadcasting left views, it’s just that no one is interested in listening to lefty whingers

    The ABC needs more dedicated journalists – like Epstein and fewer celebrities that use taxpayer funding for (self) promotion of their personal opinions

    …and by the way – I think Waleed Aly is another broadcaster who does his best to be reasonably balanced.

    Those types exist in the ABC, but opinionated self promoters are more common, and if they want to behave like that – go and do it without putting your hand out for taxpayer money.

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:47 am

    And do we still need a mechanism to take the heat out of the housing market, when it is in steep decline ?

    Housing is in decline and most think banking reform will tighten lending, which will also reduce demand.

    Is the ALP still intent on getting rud of negative gearing ?

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-01/melbourne-and-sydney-continue-to-lead-house-price-decline/10324270

  104. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:53 am

    I am utterly appalled at the political interference over the last 5 years from one side of politics in electing board members

    I don’t watch the ABC but knowing your political background you are just upset that the ALP does not get 100% support from the ABC. I remember similar statements made back in 2007. Turns out Howard appointed 2 conservatives to the ALP board which lefties called stacking the board. No it wasn’t. It was bringing balance to the board.

    Lefties don’t do balance. They want everything stacked by like minded people. Slashing funding? From what I have seen there has been no spending increases for the ABC. That is not slashing fundung

  105. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:54 am

    ToM

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3CR_Melbourne

    Look under Governance in relation to funding !

  106. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:59 am

    ToM

    Yes we do still need to reduce Negative Gearing to a far more sensible criteria. Like ONE investment property only. Like BUILD a new building for Negative Gearing.

    That money needs to go the First Home Buyers.

    As you know I am in the industry and borrowing is becoming extremely difficult and will continue to become even more so. While 5% of refinance applications were refused it is now over 40%. A lot of work for a broker with no payment as payment is only on success.

  107. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 11:04 am

    FFS Neil.

    How many did the current Communications Minister appoint and how many did he appoint outside the recommendation of the panel ? Get your head out of the past and into the current. Read something up to date in 2018 and not 11 or more years ago.

    “Documents reveal almost all the directors of the ABC’s eight-member board appointed by communications minister”

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/27/abc-board-members-appointed-by-fifield-despite-being-rejected-by-merit-based-panel

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2018 11:17 am

    Shane – from the 3CR website –

    Finances
    3CR is financially independent, relying on memberships and donations for financial support. We do not advertise, nor do our programmes rely on commercial sponsorship (effectively this is advertising). Government funding is accepted in the form of one-off grants for specific projects or programs, as well as grant money through the Community Broadcasting Foundation.

    …and the Community Broadcasting Foundation gets plenty of money from taxpayers.

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2018 11:20 am

    Shane – the ALP policy will provide a positive incentive to bulldoze heritage houses and completely change the character of many older suburbs.

    It is a disaster for maintaining a sense of traditional suburbs – as if developers need more encouragement to bulldoze traditional housing.

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2018 11:23 am

    How many did the current Communications Minister appoint and how many did he appoint outside the recommendation of the panel ?

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2018 11:25 am

    I don’t know. But I always thought the Communications Minister appointed the board. Hence the accusation that Howard stacked the board by appointing 2 conservative people

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2018 11:55 am

    Shane

    I flicked through your link. First sentence said this

    “Almost all the directors of the ABC’s eight-member board were appointed directly by the minister for communications, Mitch Fifield”

    Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought the Communications Minister appointed the board. If true what is the problem?

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:11 pm

    Is the ALP still intent on getting rud of negative gearing ?

    I fucking hope so! I’m sick of supporting investors with my tax money! Much sooner help first home buyers!

    Happy to see my tax spent on in depth investigative reporting by the ABC … but I’m now understanding why 4 Corners hasn’t gone down the negative gearing path recently … and what happened to The Panama Papers?

    the ALP policy will provide a positive incentive to bulldoze heritage houses and completely change the character of many older suburbs.

    Link?

  114. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:19 pm

    Teebz, l don`t doubt moore`s stupidity factor being one of the factors. The main factor tho, is the corporate takeover of political duopoly`s in most democracy`s. This is why voters are`dumping` the duopoly`s globally. Macron, theRonald, brexit and pauline are all results of the corporate owned duopoly screwing over the masses.

  115. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:19 pm

    ToM

    The only thing that bulldozes heritage housing are developers who donate to the LNP. The biggest bulldozer was Jo Bjelke Petersen. There are 300,000 units being built, they could be the first homes. A very poor argument indeed in relation to heritage buildings. There are laws in relation to heritage buildings and how you can put those laws in the same basket as Negative Gearing amazes me. I am all for heritage buildings, my own house was built before WW1 and I am doing it up. You can save Heritage Buildings while removing Negative Gearing you know.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:21 pm

    Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought the Communications Minister appointed the board. If true what is the problem?

    You’ll struggle to understand … but here goes …

    The people nominated for the Board are researched by an Advisory Panel – that rejected eight of the board members that The Minister installed …

    To stack the ABC Board is to control and limit the freedom the journalists and editors to produce objective information that MAY hurt the government … that generally happens in countries controlled by a dictator … certainly not in Australia the Fourth Estate has, until recently been well recognised by all political players …

    Unfortunately we have been lumbered with a government that studies the US Republican form of right wing aggressive control of news and information outlets …

    Just as the LNP want to eliminate the unions for more corporate control in the workplace, so they want do with the ABC … and any independent news sources (the ones that Trump calls “fake”) …

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:28 pm

    This is why voters are`dumping` the duopoly`s globally. Macron, theRonald, brexit and pauline are all results of the corporate owned duopoly screwing over the masses.

    Your partly right … but the masses are jumping out of the frying pan into the fire that is extreme right wing … question is why not to the left (just as bad BTW)? Ah! Fake Fkn News!

  118. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:35 pm

    ToM

    The CBF grants around $14.3Million to over 450 community radio stations around Australia. 3CR receives $256,000 out of revenue of $809,808. There are conditions attached to each grant and what programme it will support.

    Murdoch received a $30,000,000 grant with no conditions and no community requirement. A billionaire receives 117 times the amount a small community radio station received.

    Enough said really.

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:35 pm

    And this is the shit that has made us such a dishonourable bunch of fkn liars and cheats … and find it “funny” …

    I wonder if people who bet might sue?

  120. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:37 pm

    Thanks TB Obviously Neil never read the whole story just the headline as usual.

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:46 pm

    You’ll struggle to understand … but here goes …
    The people nominated for the Board are researched by an Advisory Panel – that rejected eight of the board members that The Minister installed …

    OK for comparison do you have examples of what previous govts have done?

    My experience is that ALP supporters are blind to their own faults

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2018 4:51 pm

    Yes Shane – the fact is that the government partially funds this radio station which broadcasts all sorts of extreme views.

    I don’t particularly care, but the fact is – those views are constantly available in Melbourne – and very few people are interested in listening.

  123. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    October 1, 2018 5:29 pm

    the ” masses are jumping out of the frying pan into the fire that is extreme right wing ” @macron, doubt it, yet to be seen with brexit and theRonald

    question is ” why not to the left ” @wrong question teebz

    Why would voters keep voting for the same duopoly and expect a different result?

    Why would voters keep voting for the same duopoly that created the mess?

    The greenz dinatali was at the press club and performed well, but his main troubles STILL are, 1) the greens will continue to struggle due to the `crimson-politburo` rhiannon created within nsw greens and its `special` arrangements other states greens do not have, and 2) Their repug wet dream deters more voters than it gains.

    The fakeLeft (alp) me-too with the teabags on nearly all corporate gifting; and ALL stripping of citizens rights in the name of tewwa protection. With the added bonus of nicking the greenz repug wet dream. Not to mention self imploding under kevin07 and knifing their own voters.

  124. Drain`it`Now`Teabag permalink
    October 1, 2018 6:17 pm

    and ” I have never had children.@ditto There are cross subsidisations everywhere, that is what a ” @nation or state or community is.

    Oh shane will you ever not learn. Our job as Limitednews farmed trolls is to sit at the feet of bolt and recite his kum-bah-yah and guzzle tea in front of the ipa wishlist. We work so hard to find micro details in the world to get hysteric over while remaining willfully blind to mega problems that hit you so hard in the face they could break your nose. Do you know how hard it is to ignore the tens of billions wasted on offshore gulags; tens of billions wasted on building obsolete wireCo systems; tens of billions wasted on F35 flying junk canadia won`t touch; while over stimulating ourselves over their abc and fish nibble?

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 6:18 pm

    My experience is that ALP supporters are blind to their own faults

    Faults? What faults?

    My experience is that LNP supporters always blame Labor … even after FIVE years its Labor’s fault (or anyone else’s except LNP’s) …

    Just read (or watch) Malfunction bleating in New York (New fkn York!) why not the Whitsundays … or Tassie … anywhere in Australia? He’ll be in the Cayman’s counting out his money next week!

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 6:24 pm

    We work so hard to find micro details in the world to get hysteric over …

    And in that microcosmic world we had a wonderful four day with our five g/kids and their parents and our two best friends … see it can be done …

    https://www.minjerribahcamping.com.au/file/resize/r1400x1200/315_170622_min_d3_mavic_054.jpg?s=91788a9f1f9e10b1b0eeaa97be356a7ade650a6e

  127. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 6:40 pm

    I don’t think I am overstimulating myself when it comes to the ABC. If the ABC disappears then we wont know about the billions being wasted everywhere else you are talking about.

  128. shaneinqld permalink
    October 1, 2018 6:41 pm

    Neil

    Read the whole god damn story and then get back to me. Honestly you are the headline hero of the right !!

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2018 7:04 pm

    Shane

    I have read enough articles by leftie journalists that there is always some truth in what they say mixed with an abundance of lies. I suspect the current minister has done nothing different to any previous minister from any party.

    Actually perhaps some difference. Instead of ALP ministers stacking the ABC board with lefties the current minister has managed to get some conservatives on the board.

    But the lady just appointed to run the ABC sounds like an ultra-leftist

  130. Drain`it`Now`Teabag permalink
    October 1, 2018 7:38 pm

    Horseshitforbrains is just lucky l don`t get to choose the boardroom, if it were up to me l`d fill it with fcukers so far left it would make da-greenz look like nazis and ‘really’ give you something to cack youself/s over.

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2018 7:56 pm

    Typical

    Like I have always said. You lefties are natural totalitarians. You want the ABC stacked with lefties. When some conservatives get on the board it drives ALP supporters nuts.

    Fairness is not in the DNA of ALP supporters

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    October 1, 2018 10:12 pm

    Fairness is not in the DNA of LNP supporters …

    LNP supporters don’t have DNA … they just are …

  133. October 2, 2018 12:37 am

    “The ABC is able to investigate the private sector without the threat of advertising revenue being removed. What TV station would investigate Aged Care, Greyhound Racing, Franchises, Banks, Insurance Companies etc etc. They can do so because they are not reliant on advertising revenue. The rest of the channels are gutless and use smoke and mirrors to cloud any reporting because they would lose the revenue from that organisation.”

    I always kinda got this, in the background, but Shane’s comment gave me an epiphany.

    The ABC, which I grew up on (only ABC & a local tripe station, for viewing pleasure…most often ABC on my childhood TV), must be protected from inaccurately aggrieved interference by ‘conservatives’. Shane is correct about investigating without being Privately beholden.

  134. October 2, 2018 12:39 am

    “The ABC is now needed more than ever when a media mogul is happy to lose hundreds of millions of dollars to maintain a media presence for the sole objective of influencing political outcome for his advantage.

    Very sad if you fail to see the reason we have a public broadcaster of the calibre of the ABC.”

    THIS!

  135. October 2, 2018 12:44 am

    “Frightening stuff when you consider Trump, Duterte, Putin, Kim, Ji Jingping, May and our “lovable all round Aussie Bogan” Morrison …”

    Scary indeed.

    At least everyone commenting here, and in other political digital niches, can read & discern (albeit, thinly at times…there is at least an attempt to ‘discern’).

    But, surely Morrison is well read (apart from Jesus’ Fables). His vocabulary & careful, strategic choices of language (over the years) don’t lead me to believe he’s a numbskull.

  136. October 2, 2018 12:46 am

    “, Kochi always claimed ”

    Like I needed another reason to hate on Portscum!

  137. October 2, 2018 12:57 am

    ” I think Waleed Aly is another broadcaster who does his best to be reasonably balanced.”

    Me too.

    I recently watched a replay of an episode of Q&A featuring Waleed & Christopher Hitchens (as close as I come to having a ‘hero’), and thought that Waleed was the only ‘opposed’ contributor on that panel whom Hitchens didn’t flay.

  138. October 2, 2018 1:04 am

    “But the lady just appointed to run the ABC sounds like an ultra-leftist”

    More Bolt for breakfast.

    You ARE what you eat.

  139. October 2, 2018 1:06 am

    “LNP supporters don’t have DNA … they just are …”

    Even worse than viral DNA…or just ‘are’, like jeebus?

  140. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2018 9:02 am

    Very sad if you fail to see the reason we have a public broadcaster of the calibre of the ABC.

    example A through Z

  141. shaneinqld permalink
    October 2, 2018 9:02 am

    ToM

    Actually Tom I do care about government funding of the radio station you mentioned. I agree with you. I honestly think that the ABC and the SBS should be the only government funded media organisations. The rest can either survive from advertisements and or donations and or volunteers.

  142. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2018 9:38 am

    Kerry O’Brien???? Wasn’t he the guy who shouted out when the Coalition was going to win an election— WE HAVE LOST THE ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!

  143. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2018 9:50 am

    Link?

  144. shaneinqld permalink
    October 2, 2018 10:28 am

    A bit more for you Neil form a deputy LIBERAL leader under your lord and master John Howard. You can’t call this lefty ALP crap.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/more-honoured-in-the-abuse-than-application-abc-panel-member-hits-out-at-board-appointments-20180930-p506zy.html

  145. shaneinqld permalink
    October 2, 2018 10:31 am

    WE HAVE LOST THE ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!

    Whether he said it or not, he was right in relation to the ABC and the funding cuts, political interference in appointing board members and downright hostility to anything that paints the LNP in anything but glorious champions.

  146. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2018 10:51 am

    Whether he said it or not

    Considering the sauce … 😉

    nils making shit up …. again.

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2018 11:04 am

    Shane

    I posted this over at the Guardian in relation to that article

    “Well maybe Neil Brown is correct. And maybe the same thing happened under the previous govts. My experience is that lefties are the biggest whingers. But they only start whinging when the Coalition is in govt. They did nothing when Rudd/Gillard locked up 50,000 boat people but started to protest strongly when Abbott became PM.

    I suspect Fifield had managed to get one or two conservatives on the ABC board previously stacked with ALP supporters”

  148. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2018 11:10 am

    to get one or two conservatives

    5 of the 8 dopey

    btw, Where’s ya link?

  149. shaneinqld permalink
    October 2, 2018 12:25 pm

    Neil

    Many of us disagreed with the refugee situation and the ALP have stated that the current rules will stand, they acknowledged it was a mistake but you cannot even see that you hypocrite.Have you ever listened to what Bill has had to say about boat people and the refugee situation, I guarantee NO..

    What did I tell you about vomiting up the 50,000 again ?. No further comment to you EVER. I will now skip past ALL your comments. Truly had enough this time.

  150. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2018 12:27 pm

    5 out of 8 are conservative supporters? How do you know? BTW the person who replaced Guthrie seems to be an ultra-left fundamentalist and she was appointed by the govt

  151. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2018 12:29 pm

    where’s your link nil

  152. shaneinqld permalink
    October 2, 2018 12:31 pm

    Tom R

    Mate not interested in anything he has to say anymore, could not even keep the refugee hysteria out of the ABC story. Lacks the ability to argue any case without resorting to the refugees although the story has nothing absolutely nothing to do with refugees, he spouts the same thing over and over thinking he is smart by attacking the ALP over refugees. He is a child who lacks the ability to argue the case at hand. Over it permanently this time.

  153. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2018 1:02 pm

    Mate not interested in anything he has to say anymore

    He’s not the only blindly ignorant tool out there though, although ignoring is advised

    The libs have been caught red handed manipulating news from a publicly funded institution

    Instead of mea culpas, all they can do is cry ‘lefties’ and how a corrupted board proves a publicly funded organisation shouldn’t exist.

    What shouldn’t exist is a political party so ready to break down rules and laws to benefit the few at the expense of the many

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2018 1:05 pm

    There are parts of the ABC that are ok, and I’ve indicated a couple of areas that I’m fine with, but there are plenty of areas that deserve criticism

    And it’s no use saying – “but look at New/Murdoch” – because I’m REQUIRED to fund the ABC

  155. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2018 1:21 pm

    because I’m REQUIRED to fund the ABC

    I’m also required to fund private schools and private health

    I know which ones are less use to our society

    REVOLUTION NOW!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/01/leave-the-abc-alone-you-miscreants-says-brenda-the-civil-disobedience-penguin

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2018 1:24 pm

    And it’s no use saying – “but look at New/Murdoch” – because I’m REQUIRED to fund the ABC

    No you’re not … go and live somewhere else … Cayman’s, USA, UK, Ireland has tax breaks … what about China?

    Or simply accept that MOST Australians who ALSO pay tax for other things (as pointed out by Shane) want the ABC …

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7641-media-net-trust-june-2018-201806260239

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2018 1:26 pm

    Want to keep flogging a dead horse … go for it …

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2018 1:43 pm

    Why is it that ALP people cannot tell the truth? This from form PM Rudd

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/culture-of-fear-murdoch-the-abc-and-how-to-fix-a-media-in-crisis-20181001-p5073f.html

    Rupert Murdoch has been up to his neck in the elevation and removal of Australia prime ministers for the better part of a decade.

    So Rupert organised getting you replaced by Gillard hey Kevin? The man is deluded

    The ABC has seen the conservatives politicise its board, demolish its funding and pressure its management to get rid of troublesome journalists.

    POliticise the board? No Kevin the Coalition has managed to get some conservatives onto a ALP stacked board. Slashed funding?? Are you serious? It gets $1B/year of taxpayers money

    Then there’s Murdoch. Owning nearly 70 per cent of Australian print, in addition to Sky,

    No Kevin. 70% of the people who buy newspapers purchase Murdoch.

    Truth and fairness are words the ALP and its supporters do not practise

  159. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2018 1:57 pm

    onto a ALP stacked board.

    LINK!

  160. Taxpayer`Funding`Teabag permalink
    October 2, 2018 2:49 pm

    because ” I`m REQUIRED to fund the ABC ”

    No you`re not .. ” go and live somewhere else

    Absolutely correct Teebz. Our Limitednews trolls and useful idiots could always grow the nads to move to yankeeland where their trollpractice of fact ignoring soars and pay their tax there. Then they could enjoy seeing 60% of ‘their’ tax being swallowed by the ‘industrial military complex’, plus a bit more for nasa which is the backdoor to the industrial military complex. Nah. Much better for boltforbrains to dwell on 50-cents a week hysteric and idiotic taxpayer funding.

  161. shaneinqld permalink
    October 2, 2018 2:49 pm

    ToM

    I think there are very few areas of the ABC that deserve criticism, honestly do you not think this LNP right wing religious nutter of a govt would be he howling to the rafters if they could actually find a bias in the ABC.
    Claiming it is so is not fact, yet people are told something over and over again until they think it is. Then it is claimed good politics, not that is is actually lying and manipulation and outright deception, instead it is good politics as it achieved an outcome that was desired despite the lies manipulation and deception. It really is distasteful.

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2018 3:12 pm

    No Kevin. 70% of the people who buy newspapers purchase Murdoch.

    No Neelie … why was (News Corp) Murdoch given $30,000,000 by the LNP government – when all the News Corp profit goes to the USA – where Murdoch happily resides as a US CITIZEN!!!

    Pay-off? Just sayin’?

  163. Its`MY`ABC`Teabag permalink
    October 2, 2018 3:21 pm

    For the most part l agree with you shane. But because my abc IS treasury funded; it does have the obligation to report truth to viewers of this nation. When it came to mh17; my abc along with the rest of the Aust media only reported (ad-nauseum) the teabag-govt echo chamber of spin. Framing boardroom greed and stupidity as tewwa. Four years later my abc has not corrected this deception. Aust viewers had to by-pass the Aust echo chamber and go to bbc to get full truth and full facts.

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2018 4:17 pm

    why was (News Corp) Murdoch given $30,000,000 by the LNP government

    Don’t know. Apparently it was to cover womens sport. But I will play devils advocate. Why shouldn’t a private company get some govt money? The ABC gets $1,000M/year. The $30M was over 4 years. Furthermore the govt would get a lot more from Murdoch from tax on employees income plus tax on profits the company makes plus more from the economic activity from his companies. Does Newscorp profit go to the USA. I doubt it.

    Your attitude would just drive more companies off-shore reducing employment and tax for the govt

  165. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    October 2, 2018 4:35 pm

    Any slomo-v-29% poles out yet? Who`z winning pref`d leader?

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2018 6:50 pm

    Framing boardroom greed and stupidity as tewwa.

    Please explain??

    We still don’t know WTF happened.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why shouldn’t a private company get some govt money? …. Your attitude would just drive more companies off-shore reducing employment and tax for the govt

    You really need to seek some remedial psychological treatment before a layperson fixes it for you … you’re sick, Neelie Weelie!

  167. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2018 7:01 pm

    TB

    You socialists just look at private companies as cash cows to fund your socialist lifestyle and policies. Most private companies are doing it tough having to make their money to pay their staff from hard work and effort. In contrast govt workers do not face the same pressure. If they do not like something they just increase taxes on private companies to please themselves

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2018 7:57 pm

    Socialism: One of the big critiques of capitalism is the fact that one of the forms of capital that is privately owned is the means of production (factories, farms, etc.). Socialists contend that private ownership of the means of production allows a disproportionate amount of wealth to accumulate in the hands of a small class of people, the capitalists, or the Bourgeoisie. This concentration of wealth then warps the supposed efficiency of the market, as the bourgeois class controls a share of it to make it meet their needs above the needs of the poor. The socialists therefore advocate some form of socializing the means of production, or giving control of them to a broader portion of society. Different means of doing this include worker-ownership and workplace democracy (each company becomes a small democracy), democratic state ownership (the people elect the government, so they indirectly control the means of production), and various nuanced arrangements for giving people power over production.

    Yep, I’m a social democrat … and a capitalist … just not you’re type of capitalist …

    You do know that socialism, communism and democracy are political concepts … and market demand and command demand are economic systems …

    I suspect that you don’t realise that the capitalism that we now experience – privatisation of essential services is destroying your family (you do have a family don’t you?) and mine with profiteering … you see, socialism embraces capitalism but recognises societies essential needs (water, power, health, education, care for the weak and support for the poor) not profit for a few ROBBER BARONS!

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2018 8:01 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/morrison-wont-consult-labor-on-abc-board/news-story/13ac8820d9b082a2f28c2185f1488c94

    Maybe why ToM has no faith in the ABC is the lack of competence in the Fifield stacking!

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 2, 2018 8:07 pm

    TB

    Your beliefs do not work because you do not take into account the greed in all humans

  171. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    October 2, 2018 8:37 pm

    Teebz the main bbc link is here (along with explainers and other links)

    https://theguttertrash.com/2018/05/12/past-performance-is-no-guarantee-of-future-returns/

    1.Aust legacy outlets have been in lockstep with mrRabbits bullshit.

    2.Other viking pres/pm in lockstep with mrRabbit (then-talkbull). l don`t read/speak the lingo, but his name is `Mark`somebody. Maybe your viking wife knows the the lingo, don`t believe me. Believe her!

    3.Legacy outlets, mrRabbit, talkbull, (viking leader?), malaysia-air did not tell public; insurance is canceled when killed or wrecked in a warzone.

    4.You know this because teabagz knows this.

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2018 10:39 pm

    Your beliefs do not work because you do not take into account the greed in all humans

    Neel from now on you will be called DICK .. you obviously do not read my comments or simply do not comprehend the English language … I suspect the latter …

    Do you have any idea why I rail against Robber Barons, the Catholic Church and particularly Christian Liberal politicians … because it seems you have to be steeped in religion to be a mean spirited arsehole …

    In one comment above you call me a socialist as if that’s bad … and the next I don’t take into account the greed in SOME people …

    You a are a hypocrite, Dick …

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 8:13 am

    because it seems you have to be steeped in religion to be a mean spirited arsehole …

    You should read this article TB.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/10316846

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 10:45 am

    I just did … and?

    BTW I was baptized when I was 7yo – ’cause if anything happened to me “I wouldn’t go to heaven” …

    … and … I’m not 85, I’m agnostic (not atheist) and I rail against “organised religion” and the damage the powerful clerics of all religions have done to the very people they should be protecting …

    Now why do you think Bill’s story should affect me?

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 10:55 am

    Because you said – “… because it seems you have to be steeped in religion to be a mean spirited arsehole …”

    And it seems to me that there are plenty of decent people who don’t see it that way

  176. Another`Teabag`Success permalink
    October 3, 2018 1:04 pm

    Now ” why do you think Bill`s story should affect me? ”

    As an easily frightened primate he knows most primates are frightened of death, fish nibble and death by fish nibble. He also knows bolts most reliable of friends strongly recommend skyfairy to ease their fears. Now that atheist bill is in decline health wise and decided to seek the protection of skyfairy; bolts reliable friends have been proven right again, and you should believe them more often.

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 1:05 pm

    And it seems to me that there are plenty of decent people who don’t see it that way

    And evil exists where good (decent) people do nothing …

    Hence my statement … “organised religion” and the damage the powerful clerics of all religions have done to the very people they should be protecting …

    I know catholics who defend how the church defended pedophilia! Lie! Cheat! Steal! Deceive their wives/hunbands! Abuse their kids! … look at IS, look at the witch hunts, inquisitions, the meddling in LGBTI rights, euthanasia another list that just goes on … Myanmar, Buddhist revolts …

    Just ’cause Bill decides to hedge his bets at 85 isn’t going to change all that …

    … the most giving of my friends and acquaintances are not religious … the most avaricious, including my own family, are catholics … so anecdotally, personally and historically organised religions have done more damage in the world than any other organisations I can think of …

    … that has survived for millennia … fear is their catchword … brainwashing early is their overt method of recruitment… and interference in politics is their covert manipulation of society modern via corporate and political infiltration … just look up a few political and corporate “leaders” and check their organised religion association …

    If Jesus Christ actually existed he was a social democrat … if god exists I’ll find out when I get there … I’m simply not presumptuous to know either way …

    And especially for you … make sure you read the words …

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 1:41 pm

    Getting baptised as an adult means voluntarily joining an “organised religion”

    That’s what Bill Hayden has chosen to do – and he’s made that decision with the support of a nun! one of the main supporters of organised religion!

    The point is TB, you go out of your way to negatively characterise people with a genuine belief – I’m not religious but I think people with a genuine belief should be respected.

    Apologists for child molesters don’t deserve this respect, but you don’t appear to differentiate between them and others

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 1:47 pm

    Show me one and I will … anecdotally, personally and historically organised religions have done more damage in the world than any other organisations I can think of …

    If you “belong” you own the responsibility … and the blame.

    I’m not religious … are agnostic, an atheist or a believer?

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 1:54 pm

    People that get comfort from a sense of spirituality should be respected, not ridiculed

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 2:23 pm

    Why? Why not?

    Religions ridicule and denigrate non-believers every day.

    You are a believer then?

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 2:30 pm

    Why? Why not?
    Religions ridicule and denigrate non-believers every day.

    An eye for an eye

  183. Another`Teabag`Success permalink
    October 3, 2018 2:32 pm

    are ” agnostic, an atheist or a believer? ”

    You are wee bit wrong here. When talking about `devotionals` they are not limited to spiritual, ethical or skyfairy. Previous working examples would include the fascists and commies of the early 1900s. Now l refer to all them simply as teabags; even if they or others subdivide them as boltists, reaganists, repugs, tories, corporatists, etc But they are devotionals. Often so devotional it is against their own kids interest. (how many parents handed over their kids to pedo priests) Take a good hard look at the teabags everywhere. lts a cult, and it mirrors the established cults/religions. Globally teabags drown the public square with scarcity and econoBabble. (previously the public square was drowned with evil and angry skyfairy) The teabags have their ipa wishlist. (bible, torah, quaran) The teabags have their talking heads and commenters and promoters. (prophets, disciples) If you really analyze global teabag system; the corporations are now dog; political duopoly`s are their bishops and high priests and nuns. Every action taken and comment made is anti-people and pro-corporate.

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 4:35 pm

    the fascists and commies

    Fascists were actually believers …

    The Communist Party were atheists … but the Greek Orthodox thrived underground …

    Fascism and Communism are the extreme right and left of politics … so much so that they were as nasty as each other …

    As for the rest of your comment I would have to agree … The Robber Barons still rule … from Queen Elizabeth II to Rupert Murdoch and Donald Trump … the world is awash with wealth and power seeking oligarchs of all shades and colours …

    Don’t ever be fooled -= the Royal Family is a business pure and simple … why its called The Firm by all who sail in it!

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 5:06 pm

    An eye for an eye

    Ahhh! Yer a Jewish lad … a Christian would have turned the other cheek (surely …

  186. Another`Teabag`Success permalink
    October 3, 2018 5:28 pm

    Fully agree that history is full of royalist devotionals that looted and died for their emporor and empire teebz. Much less convinced on the fascist and commie part tho. l didn`t specify any particular flavor of fascist or commie simply because there would be so much variation. l would expect both fascists and commies in spain and italy were devotional to their fascist or commie `cause`, yet both contain closet catlicks and closet atheists. Did all of uncle adolfs devotionals really swallow uncle adolfs airean, super viking bloodline, cartload of crap mythology? Especially the ones visiting the stalingrad pocket? Was uncle ho`s and uncle fidels fighters really commie devotionals? Or freedom from colonial powers devotionals? There is a hell of a lot of crossover and overlap trying lump all fascist or all commie groups as a one generic group.

  187. October 3, 2018 5:50 pm

    “People that get comfort from a sense of spirituality should be respected, not ridiculed”

    Oh that’s just complete and utter shite.

    If people are so delusional to believe in some sky fairy or a talking snake or all the rest of it, they need psychological help, not fucking respect, FFS. 🙄

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 6:28 pm

    Was uncle ho`s and uncle fidels fighters really commie devotionals?

    Irrelevant … the Vietnamese (North at the time) just wanted the fkn invaders out the Septic Tanks and the Francais were just the last of 200 years worth of invasion … while the country is still tightly controlled most people we met were quite happy (third world too remember) … our guide in VN was in her mid 20’s and quite surprised that when I told her I had been “pressed ganged” into National Service …

    They call the VN War the American War (and rightly so!) … they also call Dr Ho Chi Min – Uncle Ho … he is revered in VN … (and rightly so!)

    Fidel falls into the same category in many ways – why do you think Cuba was isolated by the Yanks for so long? And then along came Obama …. and then along came Trump!

    Substitute Abbott and Turnbull for Trump and there you have it … Morriscum will do the same … unravel the progress of Hawke/Keating/Rudd/Gillard … LNP are spoiler/destroyers … just like their Yankee mentors … WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME the 51st State of the USA … (must fix that USA acronym one day)

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 6:30 pm

    If people are so delusional to believe in some sky fairy or a talking snake or all the rest of it, they need psychological help, not fucking respect, FFS. 🙄

    I love the, boy!

    BTW, reb, I was trying to be nice to ToM … great debater … now look at your link (although I suspect the title tells all)

  190. Ware`is`my`Teabag permalink
    October 3, 2018 6:51 pm

    note ” blames gay Australians for things such as the current drought experienced ”

    Wow! This level of looney is straight out of topeka kansas reb. lt seems our teabags are in lockstep with yankeeland idiocy again. l wonder what freedomboy has to say on this.

    ____

    6:28 pm, yep agree

    great debater (-: (-: (-: and so factual

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 6:54 pm

    And it does … tell it all …

    … have you noticed how nice children are – until they grow up … the son of my neighbour was in his mid 20’s and he had attended a NYE party at our home … I walked him to the gate between our properties and he suddenly turned around, “Do you believe in God, TB?” … I don’t know if god exists or not … but I know right from wrong … that’s enough for me … his mother was a “devout” catholic – I mean devout – and she had destroyed this bloke – sent him to cat ed schools and college (where he discovered drugs) and she lied about his addiction …

    Remember the time in state school when all the religions could turn up and spread their viruses?

    My kids asked which one they should go to … we told them … try all of them … the only class they were ejected from —– Catholic – because they weren’t Catholics???

    I would welcome a subject on Global Religion in state schools … conducted by professional educators with … no I wouldn’t I agree with, reb, utter skyfairy BS ..

    My daughter told me only a couple of days ago that she “experimented” with religion when she was younger late 20’s early 30’s … and she discovered “there was something that was not right” … my son the soldier … he has some great mates! That’s what its about for them!

    And there’s Scientology set up by a sci fi writer (I was a fan) and controlled by a bunch of multi millionaire “artists” … tax break anyone?

    And WTF do religions get a tax break at all! Because they should be “respected”

    BTW ToM … you resent paying for the ABC’s contribution to society … I resent paying for religions not paying tax … to foster a fairytale …

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 7:10 pm

    Exhibit A…

    Yeah!! that makes sense – we should blame everyone with a religious view because of the actions of a couple of nutcases!! Right!!

    I think Bolt does that too, only with a different religion.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 7:37 pm

    I think Bolt does that too, only with a different religion.

    Now yer cookin’ … religion don’t help … it festers …

  194. October 3, 2018 7:59 pm

    “Yeah!! that makes sense – we should blame everyone with a religious view because of the actions of a couple of nutcases!! Right!!”

    Right, so perhaps you can enlighten us as to how we ought to distinguish between the “nutcases” and those who aren’t….?

    Is it the level of their conviction that we should evaluate them on, or is more like their sky fairy has more cred than a different sky fairy…??

    Genuinely interested to know.

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 8:16 pm

    Just as Bolt ridicules Muslims for the actions of a few extremist, reb and TB ridicule other people with religious convictions.

    I doubt you approve of Bolt’s ridicule, so perhaps you might both explain how your version is different

    (and TB, I’m not at all religious)

  196. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 8:31 pm

    I notice that churches seem to speak out against detention of asylum seekers, lefty types (that aren’t religious) take great pleasure in posting images of the messages outside a church in Gosford… that religion was the main enduring institution in Poland that supported Solidarity in Poland when it opposed the oppressive regime… etc.

  197. October 3, 2018 8:36 pm

    I’m not an avid reader of Bolt, but nevertheless perhaps you can respond to my earlier question, when it comes to religious people, how should be distinguish between the mentally ill and those who hold religious convictions…??

    If you genuinely believe the latter are worthy of our respect then it shouldn’t be too difficult to articulate why.

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 8:39 pm

    How about you try explaining why your ridicule is reasonable and Bolt’s isn’t?

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 8:43 pm

    bigotry

    If a person is intolerant of other ideas, races, or religions, we call that person a bigot. The intolerance expressed by that bigot is called bigotry. Bigotry is ugly.

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 8:47 pm

    Believes of the sky fairy at work. Probably mentally ill… It’s difficult to tell the difference between this type of attitude and mental illnes…

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=gosford+anglican+minister&client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&prmd=nmiv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYkNS4h-rdAhXKA4gKHVWACeUQ_AUICygD&biw=412&bih=604&dpr=2.63

  201. October 3, 2018 8:48 pm

    People have a right to be bigots, apparently.

  202. October 3, 2018 8:50 pm

    I’m still wondering how we should distinguish between people who have religious convictions and those who need psychological help.

    Care to enlighten us ToM…??

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 8:56 pm

    More evidence of the mentally ill running organised religion

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=church+condemns+detention+of+asylum+seekers&oq=church+condemns+detention+of+asylum+seekers&aqs=chrome..69i57.20797j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:02 pm

    Fine – I’m agreeing with you and TB, so I’ll just keep posting information that demonstrates that it’s impossible to tell the difference between person with a mental illness and those with a sincere religious belief

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:08 pm

    Angela Merkel is another that is clearly insane – the leader of Germany’s Christian Democrats acted completely contrary to her political interests by giving asylum seekers a place to live.

    Clearly she is another who needs “psychological help” – I know I can’t tell the difference between that type of decency by a Christian Democrat and someone with a mental illness.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:13 pm

    We all know Barak Obama is a nutcase – Barack Obama is a Protestant Christian. While in his twenties, Obama was involved with the Black churches. From 1992 until 2008, he was a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ—a Reformed denomination. Obama left it in the wake of the Jeremiah Wright controversy. Since 2008, he attends various Protestant churches, including Baptist, Methodist and Episcopalian churches.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_religion_conspiracy_theories

  207. Ware`is`my`Teabag permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:17 pm

    How should We ” distinguish between the mentally ill and those who hold religious convictions?? ”

    That is easy. The mentally ill were evicted and had their institution sold from underneath them by teabags, resulting in many becoming homeless or part of the prison system. Those that believe in skyfairy still have their taxbreaks and club house. However, if we were to take a number of primates from both groups and scatter them randomly about the park; we would struggle to identify which group each individual was from.

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:23 pm

    Another religious nutcase, – Martin Luther King Jr. (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968) was an American Baptist minister and activist who became the most visible spokesperson and leader in the civil rights movement from 1954 until his death in 1968. Born in Atlanta, King is best known for advancing civil rights through nonviolence and civil disobedience, tactics his Christian beliefs and the nonviolent activism of Mahatma Gandhi helped inspire.

    Yep, he had a dream – indoctrination of the young into religion!

  209. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:38 pm

    And what did Mother Teresa and Desmond Tutu ever do for anyone other than support religion?

    Nutcases!

  210. Ware`is`my`Teabag permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:44 pm

    Somebody is stuck paddling in the shallow end of debatepool again. Next he will post saint patrick for driving the snakes out of ireland. But of course he can`t explain the halfwits we see on telly defending pedo priest, screaming halfwits outside womens medical centers; arrogant halfwits demanding they should dictate to the nation who people can love or marry; or when they decide to leave this life. Up for the challenge. Of course he aint.

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:45 pm

    Just for a quick reference, in case we need a list of religious nutcases, because THEY ALL ARE NUTCASES!!

    There is just no way to tell the difference between people with a sincere belief, and those with a mental illness.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2018 9:45 pm

    How about you try explaining why your ridicule is reasonable and Bolt’s isn’t?

    Because Bolt is an Islamaphobe … I ridicule ALL organised religions … its just that the Micks seem to want to take centre stage in my life …

    that type of decency by a Christian Democrat Clue there …

    However, if we were to take a number of primates from both groups and scatter them randomly about the park; we would struggle to identify which group each individual was from.

    LOL!

    Finally, ToM, why do you care about my opinions … why does it bother you so … I’m flattered but really … WGAF … anymore …

    Let’s let ’em run rampant as usual … Jesus wept! (He’d spin on the cross if he knew how they took his name in vain).

    Sweet dreams …

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2018 10:03 pm

    Fine TB, and when you said – rganised religions have done more damage in the world than any other organisations I can think of …
    If you “belong” you own the responsibility … and the blame.

    …you mean that all Muslims need to “own the responsibility and the blame” of the actions of Muslim extremists

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2018 8:45 am

    Why would you ask me that?

  215. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 8:48 am

    And what did Mother Teresa and Desmond Tutu ever do for anyone other than support religion?

    I don’t think that it is because they were religious that they have the standing they do, it was because of the acts they performed, which are quite able to be performed with or without religion. It’s true religion may have helped them do this, but it is just as likely that they would have performed these acts without religion

    Same as everything, there is good and bad in all.

    Except of course for one religion, which flies high above all others!

    https://www.venganza.org

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2018 8:55 am

    Well TB, that’s because I said – “Apologists for child molesters don’t deserve this respect, but you don’t appear to differentiate between them and others”

    And you replied – “If you “belong” you own the responsibility … and the blame.”

    So I presume that because you have the same opinion of all religions (eg “catlicks” have to accept responsibility and blame for child molestation by other catlicks) , you would apply that rule also to Muslims

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2018 9:08 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/03/glencore-seeks-injunction-against-tax-commissioner-to-prevent-use-of-paradise-papers

    Speaking of Panama and Paradise …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So I presume that because you have the same opinion of all religions …

    Already answered …

    How about you try explaining why your ridicule is reasonable and Bolt’s isn’t?

    “””Because Bolt is an Islamaphobe … I ridicule ALL organised religions … its just that the Micks seem to want to take centre stage in my life …”””

    Now … about your comments on unions …

  218. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 9:17 am

    I’m still wondering how we should distinguish between people who have religious convictions and those who need psychological help.

    A very good question reb.

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2018 9:32 am

    No TB, you suggested catlicks belonged and therefore had to accept blame and responsibly for the actions of a minority.

    Does that equally apply to all religions?

  220. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 9:36 am

    And back to the actual topic

  221. Walrus permalink
    October 4, 2018 9:40 am

    Yeah nothing to see here…………………..

    “A RAMPAGING mob of 100 youths have ripped open train doors and screamed abuse at passengers in Melbourne overnight. ”

    “She added the majority of the group were understood to be of African appearance”

    https://www.news.com.au/news/national/mob-of-around-100-youths-cause-chaos-in-melbournes-southeast/news-story/a4ae99f87e19c100e9c18820ad6f04c3

  222. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 9:49 am

    Yeah nothing to see here…………………..

    You mean like a photo?

    Nope

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2018 11:06 am

    Yes, we bring people in from a war torn, lawless region, we provide little in the way of social and family support, few employment opportunities, and then wonder why there is some anti social behavior

  224. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 11:18 am

    Front page stories with our nations leaders making up shit about them probably isn’t helping either

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2018 11:40 am

    I don’t think you can blame the media for reporting masses of youths rampaging around the suburbs.

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 4, 2018 11:45 am

    Back to the actual topic? What was the topic?

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2018 11:58 am

    Yes, we bring people in from a war torn, lawless region, we provide little in the way of social and family support, few employment opportunities, and then wonder why there is some anti social behavior

    Religion is the obvious answer, surely?

    Find god and you find yourself and your spirituality?

    Or maybe they have found god? Allahu Akbar?

    (BTW, I agree with your comment … many of the VN Boat People from the 70’s settled, worked and reared children who are contributing members to our society … although Labor did hold government for 28 of the years between 1972 and 1993 …different approach to refugees from countries we invaded) …

    As an aside I read yesterday that we now have 2900 Sikhs in our neighborhood with two story temple planned down the road … that’ll complete the Tao Temple and the Greek Church, the Catholic Church, Presbyterian, Methodist and C of E … (no Mosque or Synagogue – to my knowledge) … all within ten minutes walking distance … I well remember the Sunday bells (recorded of course) being STOPPED … thank Christ for that … imagine the cacophony if that started up again … ?

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2018 11:59 am

    Back to the actual topic? What was the topic?

    Chuckle … Dick, gets so confused … 🙂

  229. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 12:04 pm

    Dick, gets so confused

    I know right

    Maybe reb could write the title in the …………… title or something?

  230. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 12:13 pm

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2018 12:35 pm

    I don’t know what the restaurant scene is like in the suburbs where these incidents occur.

    I think if there were groups of unruly youths hanging the restaurants I go to, i might be a little less inclined to go there withmy family

  232. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 1:17 pm

    if there were groups of unruly youths hanging the restaurants I go to

    Like maccas?

    Should be upper case IF

  233. Ware`is`My`Teabag permalink
    October 4, 2018 1:23 pm

    Ha ha. l see somebody still can`t explain his own position sanely. Newsflash, comparing the scary, scary moooslims with da-catlicks `structure` is like claiming joe-the-plumber has the same biz-structure as exxonmobiles corporate structure.

  234. Warez`Mie`Teabag permalink
    October 4, 2018 1:56 pm

    Don`t be too hard on them teamcheerer. l always find much humor in dick and nancy using the convicted Limitednews racist and freshly convicted 2gb lying troll as their models of excellence and suppositories of wisdom. Can we give them a bigger shovel.

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2018 2:15 pm

    For example, Victoria St in Abbortsford/Richmond has a lot of great Vietnamese restaurants, it is also a hub for dealing drugs (these days)

    I probably don’t go there for a meal as often these days – because it doesn’t feel particularly safe wandering back to a car with the family later in the evening.

    The sense safety is a factor in going out in particular localities.

  236. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2018 2:28 pm

    That’s true yomm

    I’m afraid to go to the beach because of assholes with surfboards

    I’ve seen Point Break, I know what they’re like.

  237. Film`Actors`Guild`Teabag permalink
    October 4, 2018 6:17 pm

    surfboards ” I`ve seen Point Break ” @ROFL

    Ya better see the one called JAWS, then you`ll really squirt (-: @fishNibble

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2018 6:48 pm

    Is there surf in Melbourne?***********

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2018 9:07 pm

    It seems to cover a number of points and, as you would expect from Michael Kirby, the points are well made

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2018 9:12 pm

    Although he has a mental illness as I note – Kirby is religious, describing himself as a “Protestant Anglican Christian” 

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2018 10:07 pm

    Although he has a mental illness as I note – Kirby is religious, describing himself as a “Protestant Anglican Christian”

    Thank goodness he’s not a catholic … 🙂

  242. Tom R permalink
    October 5, 2018 8:40 am

    Oh my god, it’s a cavalcade of terror

    Union Thugs AND Surfers!

    (Although definitions of HUGE may vary)

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 9:31 am

    I see unions want to get rid of enterprise bargaining and replace it with industry bargaining or arbitration if bargaining doesn’t give them what they want.

    Great!

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 10:00 am

    ToM, you do know how awards work?

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 10:02 am

    Remember the Accords?

    One of the best systems of IR I can remember.

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 10:08 am

    (Although definitions of HUGE may vary)

    I counted ’em … 32 … that’s a far cry from the old AMWU marches!

    Fear has no bounds I guess!

    32 = bloody ‘uge!

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 10:15 am

    Yes TB. I know how awards work, but Sally McMannus doesn’t seem to.

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 10:19 am

    And the Accord system died off because workers couldn’t see the point of being in a union.

    There was no bargaining, no negotiation with employers, the increases just came through the system. Unions lost relevance and haven’t yet found a way to get it back.

  249. Tom R permalink
    October 5, 2018 10:43 am

    There is no bargaining because employers simply won’t bargain.

    And that’s because of a range of factors. Which is talked through here

    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/09/14/647979229/episode-864-the-central-bankers-question

    Although they don’t mention globalization and IT advances, which imo is as important a factor as monopolies and Union decline

  250. Tom R permalink
    October 5, 2018 11:02 am

  251. Ware`is`My`Teabag permalink
    October 5, 2018 11:29 am

    to ” cover a number of points and, as you would expect from Michael Kirby, the points are well made ”

    Kirby was on my abc with stan grant last night discussing skyfairy. Viewers can go watch it if they want to see what kirby said, in context and without the distortion youKnowWho is trying to create. One of kirby`s points was Freedom From Skyfairy.

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 11:31 am

    And the Accord system died off because workers couldn’t see the point of being in a union.

    You really don’t believe that surely … the whole system has been manipulated in favour of employers … eg striking is virtually illegal but lock outs aren’t … bargaining is usually stalled by employers … conditions are still being eroded … and casual and part time jobs are rife …

    The unions have to step up soon I agree … but they need to educate TWO generations … as they slip slide down the bloody IR pendulum … and get pot shotted by Liberal Governments to satisfy their puppet masters – The Robber Barons … no real increase in wages for how many years … ?

    And FYI Gillard stupidly consolidated unions and fiddle with the awards system … typical of a lawyers approach to IR …

  253. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 3:19 pm

    Strikes occur regularly – there is a process to follow that’s all.

    Which part of the process do you (TB & Tom R) object to?

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 3:23 pm

    It really doesn’t seem too onerous to comply with getting a strike organised if parties can’t reach an agreement

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/rights-and-obligations/industrial-action

    I think the problem is that unions want to rely on strikes rather than figure out how to negotiate. Officials certainly aren’t what they once were.

  255. Tom R permalink
    October 5, 2018 3:37 pm

    Were you aware that Stopping work in support of, or in protest against, laws that directly impact on workers’ rights or living standards is completely unlawful?

    Which is against international conventions.

  256. Tom R permalink
    October 5, 2018 3:39 pm

    This is a very onerous list of ‘requirements’ to take ‘protected’ industrial action

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/rights-and-obligations/industrial-action#initiateprotection

    The FWC can make an order to suspend or terminate protected industrial action on its own initiative, or on application by:

    ……..
    the Minister for Employment

    Wow, so michaelia crash can just say no!

    It’s worst than I thought

    thanks for the link yomm

  257. Tom R permalink
    October 5, 2018 3:41 pm

    the action is protracted and is causing, or is going to cause, significant economic harm to the employer or employees who will be covered by the agreement.

    THAT’S THE FUCKING POINT OF A STRIKE YOU TOOLS

    (of course, they understand that, which is why it is there)

  258. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    October 5, 2018 3:57 pm

    to ” rely on strikes rather than figure out how to negotiate ”

    Utter Crap. The 90-ish % of workforce not in da-onions get to so-called ‘negotiate’ and ‘all’ they get from da-boss is ‘take-it’ or ‘leave-it’. Don`t you think you should stop residing in teabagistan and pull your head out of gerard hendersons arse.

  259. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 4:01 pm

    1. I think unions use the economic harm provision to get arbitration when their industrial action is failing
    2. The minister can make an application (an application isn’t an order) – but the FWC has to determine the matter and issue the order if they decide there is evidence of significant economic harm
    3. How many such orders have been made since that provision has been included?

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 4:07 pm

    Tom R – I think you should look up the difference between “unprotected ” and “unlawful” industrial action.

  261. Tom R permalink
    October 5, 2018 4:19 pm

    I think unions use the economic harm provision to get arbitration when their industrial action is failing

    Yea, right

    ya think do ya lol

    How many such orders have been made since that provision has been included?

    ask the fucken abc fwc (yea, we knows how this works)

    the difference between “unprotected ” and “unlawful” industrial action.

    in this cuntry, there is little difference

    #ChangeTheRulez

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 4:47 pm

    Lotta “thinking” going on here …

    I can assure you members do not go on strike just because they are union members (most of them have families to feed and bills to pay.

    Have you ever been on strike, ToM?

    I THINK not.

    Just ” guessin’ ”

    I recommend two books that were given to me by my mentor (then Personnel Manager).

    Both long in the tooth but now even more relevant in today’s IR environment:

    Richard Hayman – (1977) Strikes, 2nd Edition

    Tom Clarke; Laurie Clements – (1977) Trade Unions Under Capitalism

  263. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    October 5, 2018 5:07 pm

    Our corporate fluffer from teabagistan has never been on strike; but has never done a days hard yakka either; that is why he cannot and does not value anybody or their work; outside the corporate fluffing industry. While he fluffers-on about the minor issues;

    ___

    l noticed that jonetown is being extorted on their 20kms of lightrail costing about 20-bill now, extorted by the offshore corporates; not da-onion/s. Now does anybody really believe any onion will cause anywhere near the financial wreckage the teabagGovts create with their outsauced corporate benefactors.

    ___

    ln other wreckage; the west-coast property has slumped and not recovered. While east-coast property has started to slide. Are we learning yet.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 6:12 pm

    We need government decisions for homes for families … not investment properties for the rich (ie Negative gearing)

    A lot of decision makers really need to visit (or revisit) Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs …

    I prefer to thrive in a society … not survive in an economy!

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 6:46 pm

    I’m surprised you both aren’t a little more familiar with history.
    Prior to the early 90s there was no right to strike. All strikes were illegal and unprotected, but they were tolerated by employers because the process involved in obtaining and enforcing orders of the Commission was particularly onerous.

    If orders were issued the employer was required to enforce them – this required seeking penalties for the breach. Employers were loath to seek specific penalties against union officials (Clarrie O’Shea is the case study)

    Orders were very rarely sought, and no one really enforced them.

    In the early 90s the right to strike was legislated as part of enterprise bargaining – so unions obtained a right they’d never had before, but with the right came some responsibilities – such as observing process and pursuing claims only about the employment relationship.

  266. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    October 5, 2018 7:21 pm

    l`m sure you`ve cherry selected o`shea to fit your pov. All you are doing tho is; insisting we relive history. You would do better learn some of the history around hoffa, and who the public/ consumer/ worker end up supporting when they don`t get treated fairly. Jobs too are a market; when white market jobs go to shit; you only build black market jobs. Along with a tad of violence too usually.

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 7:46 pm

    Funny I went on strike in the 70’s and my father who was a shop steward when they were building the Gladstone Aluminium plant in the 1960’s took his members out … ask me what for ToM …

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 7:47 pm

    I’m surprised you both aren’t a little more familiar with history.

    That’s patronising and arrogant ToM … I was fkn there!

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    October 5, 2018 8:10 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/famous-fairy-hoax-photos-sell-for-a36k/news-story/511b6db3485a72e0e537f3899f6e8c82

    Anyone interested in my fotos of god?

    Going cheap … all originals.

  270. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    October 5, 2018 8:22 pm

    How many dudes killed/ hurt?

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 5, 2018 9:01 pm

    Patronising TB? That’s a bit severe!

    Nonetheless, lots of union types suggest that unions have lost rights – but they don’t seem to understand that there was never a right to strike until enterprise bargaining. And the protected industrial action has to be about employment matters between the employer and the employees.

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2018 8:35 am

    Now yer prattling, ToM …

    What about your opinion on another issue … you’ll already know mine …

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/oct/05/alan-jones-demands-sacking-opera-house-chief-executive-racing-ads

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2018 8:46 am

    https://www.marxists.org/history/australia/1945/18201920.htm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_labour_movement#World_War_II_and_after

    And the fight for wages and conditions and human rights goes on!

    Nothing changes … nothing is new … Aish, Assoc. Prof. Cairo Museum (1997) (our tour guide in Egypt)

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2018 10:36 am

    Alan Jones? He’s a complete unknown in Victoria. He’s only loved in Sydney and Brisbane

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2018 10:36 am

    Alan Jones? He’s a complete unknown in Victoria. He’s only loved in Sydney and Brisbane

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2018 12:53 pm

    Yer stuttering, ToM … or are you on the piss already … its not Melbourne Cup Day yet?

    As for Alan Jones he’s certainly not “loved” in this part of the Deep North … in fact he’s considered to be a cockroach! 😉

    The Wagners were very innovative QUEENSLANDERS! (or had you inconveniently forgotten?)

    🙂

  277. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2018 2:29 pm

    Cockroach? Alan jones was born in Queensland. I doubt if Jones is loved but a lot of people do respect him. He was a very successful Australian Rugby Union coach. How many people have coached an Australian team in anything?

  278. Ware`is`my`Teabag permalink
    October 6, 2018 2:36 pm

    I have given this some more thought teebz.

    question is ” why not to the left ”

    lt also seems to me the `left` have abandoned the working class and their needs. Both greenz and fakeleftAlp seem to be more preoccupied with quasi(fake) intellectualisms peddled by the `teaching` workforce that pandas to the well(enough) to do `LatteBelt`. When it comes to; carbon-not-a tax-price, repugSwooning, the too-late paris weather club; change the anthum; change the tablecloth; these are Luxury or irrelevant topics to voters struggling along on junkjobs or pensions, being wrecked by general living costs. These topics also have questionable merit, which makes both teams spend huge amounts of time trying to defend and explain them to voters tired of listening to bullshit. (the ‘way’ we vote and compulsory ‘turn-up’ also distorts results toward the duopoly too)

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2018 3:00 pm

    He was a very successful Australian Rugby Union coach. WOW! What can say!

    Oh! This is interesting … bit more significant than a fkn Union coach …

    Personal life

    Jones has never been married and has no children.[4] He resides in Sydney.[12]

    Political aspirations

    In 1974, a parent at The King’s School, Parramatta, Doug Anthony, leader of the Country Party (now the National Party of Australia) in the Australian Parliament, offered Jones a position with the party in Canberra.[9] In 1975, Jones sought party preselection as the candidate for the Federal parliamentary seat of Eden-Monaro, but lost the bid.[8]

    In 1978, he was the candidate for the July 1978 by-election for the NSW state seat of Earlwood for the Liberal Party of Australia, formerly held by deposed Liberal leader Sir Eric Willis. He lost what had been considered a “safe seat”.[13] Jones again contested the seat for the Liberal Party at the 1978 New South Wales state election held in October. The ALP candidate was returned with a greater majority.[14]

    In September 1979, Jones stood for Liberal preselection for the Federal Division of North Sydney, placing third in the ballot. The winning candidate, Peter Solomon was later disendorsed, but Jones did not re-contest the ballot in March 1980, with John Spender taking preselection and winning the seat.[4][10]

    In 1986, Jones nominated for the Liberal preselection for the Federal Division of Wentworth in Sydney, but was a late withdrawal from the ballot; the preselection and seat was won by future Liberal leader Dr John Hewson.[4][10]

    Health issues

    In July 2008 Jones underwent surgery for prostate cancer.[15] In December 2008, he had surgery to remove a benign brain tumour.[16]

    Jones is a fkn arrogant, self-centred, mealy mouthed, small minded cockroach! Wherever he was born.

    Dick …

  280. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2018 3:13 pm

    TB

    At least he did not lock up 50,000 boat people like you did. How many do you plan to lock up next time?

    Jones helps people. And he has his problems but the good outweighs the bad

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2018 4:04 pm

    Jones helps people. And he has his problems but the good outweighs the bad

    Yer a dick, Dick …

  282. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2018 4:14 pm

    Why don’t you email him. They say he answers all his emails.

    Furthermore it is a great honour to be verbally abused by a person like you.

  283. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2018 5:57 pm

    Alan Jones tried to get a foothold in Melbourne. But people here are cultured and don’t take to racist, loudmouthed, obnoxious, insulting bigots.

    But understandably he’s popular in Brisbane and Sydney. Is he broadcast in Perth? I think he’d go well there too.

  284. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2018 6:59 pm

    Tom of Melbourne

    Why don’t you e-mail your opinion to Mr Jones. I have been told he personally answers all his emails.

    Many times I have wanted to throw something at the radio about some things he says. As you may have guessed I listen to 2GB. I will agree that he is loudmouthed.

    People in Melbourne do not take to Rugby is why he is not popular in Melbourne. I will never forget the time I was talking to someone from Perth about the great Rugby League matches between Britain and Australia . The ASHES. Just like in cricket we had the ASHES in Rugby League as well. The guy from Perth did not even know what Rugby was

  285. October 6, 2018 7:17 pm

    “And what did Mother Teresa and Desmond Tutu ever do for anyone other than support religion?”

    I believe that you would find Christopher Hitchens’ take on Mother Teresa enlightening, YomM.

    He was actually a contributor to her canonisation process, from memory.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missionary_Position:_Mother_Teresa_in_Theory_and_Practice

    If you can argue against his essay, I will stand impressed.

  286. October 6, 2018 7:26 pm

    ” the whole system has been manipulated in favour of employers … eg striking is virtually illegal but lock outs aren’t … bargaining is usually stalled by employers … conditions are still being eroded … and casual and part time jobs are rife …”

    I have been living this for the last half decade+…right up until this very day, and going forwards, still unresolved.

    A cynical person may come to the conclusion that the Company, by such stalling, imposition & suffocating legislation hobbling meaningful PIA, has just secured a 5year+ pay freeze (ongoing)?

    Striking has been made almost toothless and the burden of responsibility from the Company side is laughable. I wonder why?

    I wish I wasn’t bound by a confidentiality agreement…the things I could add to this discussion.

  287. October 6, 2018 7:29 pm

    “Strikes occur regularly – there is a process to follow that’s all.

    Which part of the process do you (TB & Tom R) object to?”

    Once again, if I could actually comment upon Company actions & strategies, with regard to this, without fear of cessation of employment (all laid out very clearly in their Americanised Code Of Conduct…applied cynically, when fortuitous, and not at all, when expedient) …most of your dismissal of the current bargaining process could be easily rebutted, YomM.

  288. October 6, 2018 8:00 pm

    “Anyone interested in my fotos of god?

    Going cheap … all originals.”

    I can go to Penola & capture vials of the very same air that St. Mary MacKillop breathed!!!

    This week only, $549.95 per vial.

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 6, 2018 8:33 pm

    For the Southern Staters there were several games called the Battle of Brisbane between Australia and the POMS. We had the ASHES in Rugby League just like in cricket

    http://www.eraofthebiff.com/memorable-matches-from-the-biff-era/m31-_2nd_test-_lang_park-_july_16-_1966_battle_of_brisbane_2

    “For the first time in 33 years an Australia-Great Britain Test ended tryless. But alhough the second Test of the 1966 tour lacked free-flowing football, the blood at least flowed freely on the Lang Park turf.

    The match, won 6-4 by Australia, was one of the most violent in rugby league history, with one player needing 33 stitches after being kicked in the head, another knocked senseless by a punch in the opening minutes and a spectator running on to the field to take a swing at British fullback Arthur Keegan. ”

    PS People in Melbourne would have no idea why Alan Jones has respect in NSW and QLD. He was Australian Rugby coach and very successful . He also coached Rugby League as well. He coached Balmain in Rugby league

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2018 10:46 pm

    Secret ballot, claims about employment and observing agreed schedule of meetings are the main requirements. It’s not that onerous.

    I think msny unions struggle with limiting their claims to ones about about employment. They often get untidy and make claims about the interests of the union, or about the industry.

  291. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 6, 2018 10:49 pm

    Jones was involved in Balmain and South Sydney. He f***ed both

    Because his main attribute is being a loudmouth self promoter.

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 7, 2018 9:10 am

    Recently I suggested something like this . Lefty types ridiculed the idea. Any further comments??

    In his letter seen by The Weekend Australian, Mr Shorten has placed population growth among the great policy challenges facing the nation.

    He (Shorten) indicated he could support a new settlement policy that would redistribute people away from the congested capitals of Sydney and Melbourne.

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2018 2:47 pm

    ToM, refer my previous comments to your comments re redistribution of REFUGEES and MIGRANTS to regional centres …

    I see Shorten is talking about redistribution of people out of the capitals … I don’t have access to The Weekend Australian (nor would I want or pay for it) so I can only comment on the snippet you provide … I would bet (having watched and listened to Shorten for some time) that in that article he discusses INFRASTRUCTURE to make it all work …

  294. Noyze`Poles`Teabag permalink
    October 7, 2018 3:57 pm

    Mr Morrison ” now leads Mr Shorten by 45 to 32 as preferred Prime Minister, but although the Coalition has narrowed the gap after preferences, Labor still leads 54 to 46.

    https://www.9news.com.au/2018/09/24/02/12/newspoll-scott-morrison-bill-shorten-coalition-government-federal-politics

    While it is always exciting to see; team scores that overstimulate the zombies; and blib break the 17% pref`d leader barrier; with their prezzydential style campaigns; it will also be interesting to see which leader will actually be able to drag their team over the line next time.

  295. Ware`is`your`dog`Teabag permalink
    October 7, 2018 7:15 pm

    This week only, $549.95 per vial.

    l can go into my backyard and supply soil touched by the paw-of-dog. The very same soil used by the talking snake in the magic apple garden!

  296. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 7, 2018 8:30 pm

    I would bet (having watched and listened to Shorten for some time) that in that article he discusses INFRASTRUCTURE to make it all work …

    Yeah and in 2007 Rudd promised a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B nd finished by 2013. After winning the election they put their policy out for tender and could find no takers. So they threw their 2007 policy into the bin. Current policy was thought up on a plane flight in 2009 costing who knows what finished who knows when

    I would not trust anything the ALP says

  297. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2018 9:19 am

    All strikes were illegal and unprotected

    Up until employers began using the law to prosecute people. The it was required

    Now employers complain about the law ROFL

    Striking has been made almost toothless

    And as that link from yomm showed, it wasn’t the FWA itself, but the myriad ‘minor’ ‘tweaks’ that have made it unworkable from a Union stand point.

    The pendulum swung far to the side of the employers, and continues.

    The FWA act brought it back towards the center, but quite obviously (expecially in retrospect) should have gone further

    We are still feeling the effects of work choices.

    Secret ballot, claims about employment and observing agreed schedule of meetings are the main requirements. It’s not that onerous.

    well, add them to others like these
    The FWC can make an order to suspend or terminate protected industrial action on its own initiative, or on application by:

    ……..
    the Minister for Employment

    or


    the action is protracted and is causing, or is going to cause, significant economic harm to the employer or employees who will be covered by the agreement.

    and the bigger list here

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/rights-and-obligations/industrial-action#initiateprotection

    Yea, it gets ‘onerous’ pretty quick

    Any further comments??

    Yea, it’s from the lolstrayan

    I’ll wait until I hear what Shorten actually said, and the context it appeared in, before making any further comment.

    I don’t have access to The Weekend Australian

    I did the google trick, and, rather than releasing his letter, they ‘parsed’ it, probably in hte lolstrayan inimitable manner, which is, whatever suits their purposes 😉

  298. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2018 9:23 am

    And just to highlight the onerous nature of our laws (remember, people have been fined for wearing Union badges)

    Fair Work Ombudsman Sandra Parker has warned that unions and workers face investigation for taking part in ACTU-backed ­rallies across the country, potentially exposing them to fines if the regulator pursues them for ­organising or engaging in ­allegedly unprotected industrial action.

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2018 1:49 pm

    I would not trust anything the ALP says

    Yer a dick, Dick … what speed is your NBN?

  300. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2018 2:06 pm

    Tom R, many employers only need a skeleton crew to run for a day, so participation in protests is available.

    In Victoria there are programmed RDOs, one a fortnight , but the unions often choose a working day for their protests. Why is that?

    I think it is mainly to inconvenience employers. If the protests were held on the programmed RDOs there would be no question about the rights of people to attend.

  301. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2018 2:24 pm

    I think it is mainly to inconvenience employers.

    No shit, That’s the aim!

    They are withholding labour, not marching for world peace ffs

    Which makes this so onerous

    the action is protracted and is causing, or is going to cause, significant economic harm to the employer or employees who will be covered by the agreement.

    The main aim of a strike is to make the owner notice, not get on the evening news!

  302. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2018 3:34 pm

    So if people are stopping work with the objective of damaging an employer about an issue that the employer has no control over, I’m not surprised that employers will seek to stop that action.

    There I was thinking people wanted to be involved in a mass protest, but I was mistaken.

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2018 3:36 pm

    They are withholding labour, not marching for world peace ffs

    LOL! Naïve or what!

    And BTW the RDO’s are “earned” by employees not “given” by the employers … just like the misconception re compulsory super … (it is and always has been part of an employment package going back to the original swap for a pay rise).

    Inconvenience employers! GU-FF-AW!

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2018 3:38 pm

    … about an issue that the employer has no control over

    ???????????? Where did that come from …

    There I was thinking people wanted to be involved in a mass protest, but I was mistaken.

    Yep. BTW if a “skeleton crew” is working how do they vote in ballot?

    Skeleton crew … chuckle …

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2018 3:49 pm

    Well, I think you’ll find that unions call it protest action. And try to argue that point whenever they’re in the FWC about these stoppages.

    So are the unions being untruthful in the Commission?

  306. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2018 4:30 pm

    an issue that the employer has no control over

    who (under)pays employees then? Fairy fucken Godmothers?

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2018 4:33 pm

    Really?All employers do that?

    If all the employees of a power station attend a “protest” and therefore shut down power generation, is that reasonable? Or is that decision just up to the judgement of a union?

  308. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2018 4:44 pm

    I think you find that most strikes are aimed at hurting the business, not the consumer.

    Not that they are perfect …………..

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2018 5:04 pm

    But is it reasonable to shut down (say) power generation so that employees can attend a protest?

    If unions decide to “hurt” a business because they disagree with a government policy, I’m not sure it’s reasonable to expect the business just to cop the “hurt” without seeking a legal remedy?

    But that might be a little old fashioned for you progressive types.

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2018 5:05 pm

    Or is that decision just up to the judgement of a union?

    After a couple of years attempting to negotiate, probably is …

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2018 5:09 pm

    If unions decide to “hurt” a business because they disagree with a government policy,

    Duh? Link?

  312. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2018 7:53 pm

    TB – perhaps you or Tom R could post a link that demonstrates that the intent of protests by unions is to “hurt” employers.

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2018 8:14 pm

    ToM … unions go on strike because members pay and conditions need to be improved … as I recall no-one but you brought up “government policy” …

    As for links how many would suffice … and its not to “hurt” employers … its to make them realise that the relationship is symbiotic … the old chestnut that people wouldn’t have jobs without employers/entrepreneurs has always been a nonsense … businesses thrive because of the people who work their AND good management … its not fkn hard!

    Upset the equilibrium and suffer the consequences – especially if unfairness “creeps” in …

    Key word “unfairness” … 😉

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2018 8:33 pm

    TB- Tom R said – I think you find that most strikes are aimed at hurting the business, not the consumer.

    That was in the context about protest action. And I don’t know that unions often own up to that.

  315. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2018 9:44 pm

    Yomm for eg when bus drivers go on strike,they do it by not taking fares.

    It hits the owners in the hip pocket, but keeps services running

    And that was in the context of strike action

  316. Ware`is`My`Teabag permalink
    October 8, 2018 11:34 pm

    Key word ” unfairness “

    Yet you keep fetching the thrown sticks from the long grass. The only IR it will ever agree with is absolutely no rights for workers/onions and only rights for biz. The zealot is a full throated americanist dreaming the corporate americanist dream. Even if his own kid got smoked in a `going-postal-IR` event, he would willfully not join the dots.

  317. October 11, 2018 6:20 pm

    ” its not to “hurt” employers … its to make them realise that the relationship is symbiotic … the old chestnut that people wouldn’t have jobs without employers/entrepreneurs has always been a nonsense … businesses thrive because of the people who work their AND good management … its not fkn hard!”

    Precisely!

  318. October 11, 2018 6:20 pm

    * people who work there … (sorry TB)

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2018 6:38 pm

    Chuckle! Accepted ToM toylet!

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