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November 7, 2018

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2018 7:29 pm

    Chuckle … BTW it’s Rocky not Rockie fkn journalists …

    Why didn’t he drive to Bundy and then on to Rocky? … like Queenslanders do! FMD if he wants to play Aussie fkn Hero – be one … and he should fkn drive!

    Typical Cockroach …

    I see he studied “economic geography” … he should have studied geography – period !

    Only Western Australians and Queenslanders understand how big this bloody continent is! Oh! And the NT’ers …

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2018 8:53 pm

    I don’t blame him for flying. It’s a long way and there is nothing to see except dull bits of Queensland and the only people around are Queenslanders.

  3. November 7, 2018 9:23 pm

    I don’t blame him for flying either, I just blame them all for having taxpayers fund their largesse.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2018 10:07 pm

    Hear! Hear! Toylet!

    Think they are fkn royalty!

  5. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 8, 2018 6:46 am

    Flying while also sending a bus, what a wonderful example of austerity from the party that demands less for the poor and more for the rich. Blood sucking leeches and thieves. The hypocrisy is astounding.

    The LNP had better be paying for this propaganda election campaign and not the tax payer under the guise of policy information.

  6. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 6:56 am

    Utterly hilarious, the party and the energy minister, that demands privatisation of everything to their mates, so they can buy shares and staunchly claim that the market forces drive competition, have asked the energy retailers to reduce their charges, out of cycle and before an election.

    Honestly the corruption is disgusting. No doubt they would have said to them, you can fuck the customers again after we are re elected.

    Once again the privatisation ideology and fanaticism of selling off everything we own, turns around and screws the citizens within an inch of their pay packet while the arsehole CEOs get richer and richer with more and more dividends.

    Amazingly the daily availability charge on electricity bills is becoming more and more of the total cost as the retailers massage the bill by increasing the availability while not increasing the KW charge. Thereby claiming that the price of electricity has stagnated. They are doing a bank smoke and mirrors where a fee is introduced while the rate stays the same.

    All blood sucking leeches.

  7. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 7:04 am

    Honestly the most dictatorial, partisan and hate filled POTUS ever who has derided the democrats and anyone else he chooses, is now calling on the two parties to come together in bipartisanship.

    The Republicans were so hate filled against Obama for 8 years that I hope the Democrats give him the middle finger salute and put the boot in as far as they can.

  8. November 8, 2018 9:00 am

    “I’m just interested in the point of the bus if you’re not on it.”

    Precisely.

  9. November 8, 2018 9:01 am

    A reminder that Talcum will be on Q&A tonight at the special time of 8:00pm.

    I wonder if the pentecostal prick will be tuning in.

  10. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 9:27 am

    I will watch Malcolm on Saturday when it is repeated.A new episode of the middle is far more interesting tonight and a better laugh as well.

  11. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 9:45 am

    What amazes me is that the LNP claim the 2 best PMs that have kept out of politics has been John Howard and Julia Gillard. For fucks sake John Howard has been just as active on the political since he was booted, giving lectures about politics, supporting candidates, giving opinions and out campaigning. Julia Gillard has kept quiet. There is absolutely no comparison.

    Funny how Abbott has shut his flapping arsehole since the shock of Wentworth and the instillation of a religious nutter to the MP. Maybe he is shitting himself for his own seat as well. Wentworth shows that most voters support action on climate change, action on private schools being able to discriminate, action on renewables, action on the murray darling, action on aged care, action on refugees. All things that Abbott hates.

  12. November 8, 2018 9:47 am

    “All things that Abbott hates.”

    Oh, he hates a lot more than that.

    How much time do you have?

  13. November 8, 2018 9:48 am

    This video clip is a sight to behold..

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  14. November 8, 2018 11:10 am

    chuckle…

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  15. November 8, 2018 12:20 pm

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  16. November 8, 2018 12:23 pm

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  17. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2018 12:36 pm

    chuckle…

    Chuckle? I sat here giggling with glee …

    Hope dem bus gags keep comin’

  18. Ride`the`Bus`Teabag permalink
    November 8, 2018 2:00 pm

    Haw Haw Haw! Teabags drive their bus off the Cliff and of course lts all labors fault. l notice we all seem to be in agree-ance with the off-bus taxpayer funded jetsetting too.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2018 2:18 pm

    chuckle…

    sreb, have another look at that Shorten photo WTF is draped over the book behind him? White cloth blue border, cross over the southern cross?

  20. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 5:14 pm

    Luke Foley needs to resign now !

  21. Know`Standing`Teabag permalink
    November 8, 2018 6:17 pm

    Yes l noticed too reb. Now that he is booted, im-a-strong leader finally has the nads to turn-up to my abc qandaland. l hope the in studio audience give the weak tunc hell. Yeah, probably watch.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2018 7:22 pm

    Luke Foley must have missed the memo about behaviour at Christmas Parties.

    What a sleazy f***wit

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2018 8:13 pm

    And Mark Latham is going well with Pauline Hanson.

    The ALP’s had some sensational leaders

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 8, 2018 10:14 pm

    Once again the privatisation ideology and fanaticism of selling off everything we own, turns around and screws the citizens within an inch of their pay packet

    Shane

    I have told you a million times privatisation has nothing to do with rising electricity prices. It is the push for renewables causing the problem. SA got rid of coal generated electricity and then found the govt had to spend $100M on diesel generators as a backup then build a new gas fired power station costing who knows what.

    Also I read on another blog the so called gold plating of the network which has been blamed on the rising costs was done because renewable energy needs more maintenance and more substations etc

  25. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2018 6:08 am

    So another Labor pollie is booted from Parliament from a leaked accusation that is contested by the participants.

    And who ultimately gains from this grubby tactic?

    Also, quite sickening watching the entire media and twitter armies taking one side, when there are two alternate versions, from which a multitude of scenarios could be the actual truth

    One thing is clear. Two lives are ruined because of the leaking by one man/party

    Which life deserved it, if any, is yet to be ascertained.

    Politics in Oz is filthy.

  26. shaneinqld permalink
    November 9, 2018 8:43 am

    Tom R

    I agree politics is filthy but I would state that an MP should resign form any party if allegations are made. They can then be investigated and can sue for defamation. Having said that, these allegations made under parliamentary privilege without the consent of the victim is disgraceful and the MP should be sacked immediately.

  27. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2018 3:01 pm

    I agree politics is filthy but I would state that an MP should resign form any party if allegations are made.

    I don’t know about resign, but certainly make themselves absent.

    But really, allegations should be tested before being made public imo. And penalties should be incurred for anybody disseminating allegations before those findings are in.

    And the lolstralian (ok, all ltdnews) should be run out of the country

    http://about.abc.net.au/statements/statement-on-report-in-the-australian/

  28. Beam`Me`Up`Teabag permalink
    November 10, 2018 1:47 am

    The grass is brown, not green.

    The sky is gray, not blue.

    lts all labors fault !

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 10, 2018 5:32 pm

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-10/pellegrinis-owner-sisto-malaspina-remembered-by-restaurant-staff/10485084

    The person killed by the nutcase yesterday was the owner of Pelligrini’s – one of the original Italian cafes in Melbourne.

    Random violence and terrorism

  30. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    November 10, 2018 7:51 pm

    Teebz, did you see this on reportland this week?

    https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/power-bills-up-appliances-burning-out-you-may-have/10481024

    ” LIZ HOBDAY: Pensioner Paul Ryan installed solar panels more than a year ago but for much of the time the voltage on the grid near Paul Ryan’s house runs too high, and that forces his solar system to shut down to protect itself. That’s a common problem with home solar. ”

    @this is a little bit fakenewsy or timid reporting, probably to not draw fire from corporate teabags. As you know l will be going offgrid, along with others, once price is right. Corporate suppliers will be intentionally running the grid at highest possible, to prevent as much private feed-in as possible, as my sparkie mate told me ages ago. This is why we want the double/multi battery system. (along with the obvious avoiding having to deal with continual goal-post moving by corporate suppliers)

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2018 10:22 am

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/i-got-him-but-he-didn-t-go-down-trolley-man-tells-how-he-rammed-bourke-street-attacker-20181110-p50fau.html#comments

    Trolley man is homeless but acted instinctively to help others that were in danger. I’ll kick in to the fund.

    Here’s a guy that probably is treated poorly by the community and the police, but helped anyway. It’s a good story in the middle of all the tragedy.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2018 10:46 am

    … LEST WE FORGET …

    … we will remember them …

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2018 3:34 pm

    Ditto TB

  34. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2018 9:11 am

    Why would their polling being going down I wonder?

  35. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2018 10:38 am

    .… we will remember them …

    And their sacrifices which were for ……?

    “Died In A Foreign Field. And For What?”

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-incontrovertible-truth-about-world-war-i-20181109-p50f0t.html

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2018 11:12 am

    I see some are saying that the actions of the Bourke St terrorist was a cry for help.

    Really? He attempted to use his ute as a bomb, and killed a guy that was going to his aid. He’s a c*** who had his mind filled with extreme religious poison.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2018 11:55 am

    Watch the body language — astounding stuff … Vladimir owns Donny …

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/11/thumbs-up-from-putin-as-trump-rains-on-armistice-parade

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And their sacrifices which were for ……?

    That’s exactly WHY “we remember them” … war is and never can be a “glorious adventure” … a friend lost his brother in Vietnam and I lost a mate with I met at 3TB Singleton …

    Note: Most people still don’t figure out that East Timor (a family member served there) was all about GAS …

    VN was about fkn ideology! USA christians had to fight the communist tide of atheism … the North VN just wanted to reunite VN … and boot out the corrupt US puppet government …

    Soldiers do what POLITICIANS tell them to do … volunteers or conscripts …

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2018 11:57 am

    Judging by the headlines the Harry & Meghan media circus honeymoon is over …

  39. shaneinqld permalink
    November 12, 2018 4:48 pm

    ToM

    Totally agree, there are many people with mental health issues and this was not one of them based my experience with mental health sufferers, the majority want to hurt themselves, not others.

  40. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 8:35 am

    shaneinqld, I’m no expert in the field, so won’t comment either way.

    All I know is, there are assholes everywhere, it’s called the the Human Condition 😦

    Our grubmint only seems to freak out over certain aspects of that condition though

  41. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 8:46 am

    Even when they back track and say they are doing the ‘right’ thing (only due to political pressure mind you), they lie about it!

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 9:30 am

    Fkn smoke and mirror shit does not work! Unless your constituents are still uneducated peasants!

  43. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 9:46 am

    Unless your constituents are still uneducated peasants!

    And that leads us into Gonski 2.0 😦

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2018 10:43 am

    it’s called the the Human Condition

    And it’s certainly exacerbated when there is an organised cheer squad that encourages murderous and suicidal inclinations

  45. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 11:00 am

    And it’s certainly exacerbated when there is an organised cheer squad that encourages murderous and suicidal inclinations

    Exactly

    And our pollies and media really shouldn’t repeatedly place themselves within that category (as no one should)

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 11:19 am

    Even when they back track And the damage is already done!

    BTW, apologies to all uneducated peasants …

  47. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 12:03 pm

    non taken 😉

  48. November 13, 2018 1:20 pm

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  49. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 1:49 pm

    If there was someone who was teaching things not in accordance with what our faith believed they’d be pointing it out.

    Are they aware that one of their conflagration is torturing children on a remote island?

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 2:27 pm

    “conflagration” ?? Chuckle 🙂

    Could you confirmation that, please?

  51. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 2:29 pm

    Valedictory it yerself 😉

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 2:38 pm

    And while we are on the subject I too noticed that it was GG Cosgrove in France and had the same thought …

    … there was no Prime Minister Morrison there … Why wasn’t he there …The answer I’m told by his spokesperson is that his schedule was too crowded, with three other overseas commitments this month – despite the fact that it was in Malcolm Turnbull’s calendar to go had he still been prime minister.

    We can at least be allowed mild surprise, I think, that the bus shenanigans in Queensland last week were clearly scheduled as of more importance than what could have been gained by being in Paris for the ceremony and the lead-up.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/morrison-should-have-been-by-macron-s-side-20181112-p50fgp.html

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 5:10 pm

    Speaking of valedictories … I’m off to see my g/daughter receive her first subject in her study’s at the local ACU … in a half hour or so … she’ll be study her degree(s) there …

    She graduates from H/school on Thursday but completed her first subject in Nursing/Paramedics during her last school holidays …

    Proud as punch … and new video camera ready to go! 🙂

  54. November 13, 2018 5:11 pm

    Unlike a government to try & maximise a terrorist incident for political gain.

    And yes, this was a deranged, indoctrinated, religious extremist. Not dissimilar to a few of the very recent xtian nutjobs who shot Jews or sent parcel bombs to Trump’s well recorded ideological sparring partners.

    It’s interesting to watch vested interests embrace ‘mental illness’ (precluding, or renouncing the individuals membership of their self professed religion/affiliation) when it’s one of their team doing the killing; only to reject same diagnoses when it’s ‘them’.

    Fucking hypocritical, transparent, shameful & expedient.

    This should not be read as me arguing that the cunt in Melbourne wasn’t a terrorist; I think he fits that category well.
    Islam may get most of the bad press (rightly, most often)…but it sure as fuck doesn’t have a monopoly on religious violence & apologetics for said.

  55. November 13, 2018 5:23 pm

    Congrats to her, TB!

  56. November 13, 2018 7:56 pm

    “Islam may get most of the bad press (rightly, most often)…but it sure as fuck doesn’t have a monopoly on religious violence & apologetics for said.”

    Indeed.

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 10:45 pm

    Hear! Hear!

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:03 am

    This is what is happening in the real world, ToM

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/13/abc-management-bars-sally-mcmanus-from-entering-sydney-headquarters

    I know they did a back flip BUT the damage was already done …

    Really stupid people in management these days … I might consider going back into business …

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:03 am

    correction – replace stupid with ignorant (the true meaning)

  60. Keep`Snorting`Teabag permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:29 am

    Okay pinkists. Did everybody pay attention to last weeks news? Did we all see slomo rearrange the foodbank finances, which equated foodbank getting cut? Did we all notice blib didn`t just let slomo trudge of the cliff edge with those foodbank cuts and remain quiet; but loudly shoo-ed zombies from cliff edge? Do we all understand the importance of the election strategy; shhh.blib? He doesn`t. Not happy with merely shoo-ing zombies from cliff edge; Did we all see blib start spouting his repug crap? Which is even less popular and less important among viewers! l`m starting to think blib is trying to make pauline prez!

  61. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 8:40 am

    Highlight from that abc v unions story TB

    Sources said management increasingly had a “hostile agenda” towards the union and regularly refused entry to union officials.

    This is our PUBLIC broadcaster ffs

    fully stocked with right wing ideologues from the top ……………….. how far down does it go is the question?

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 9:07 am

    Is there a suggestion that the ABC is doing anything other than meeting their obligations to provide right of entry?

    Because observing their legal obligations is what a public institution should do.- anything more than this is a favour.

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  64. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 9:37 am

    for yomm

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:09 am

    No worries at all, I’m sure employees can attend during their lunch break.

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:11 am

    Or even schedule it after work – maybe 5pm?

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:33 am

    Or even schedule it after work – maybe 5pm?

    From memory it was an after work function?

    Does James Pearson get turned down? Or Innes Wilcox?

    I bet they just wander in whenever …

    But your bitterness towards UNIONS (or is it really ignorance) is getting Neel-like …

    As if you have been told stuff and you are repeating it … or you’ve read stuff with an anti union bias … or you’ve simply grown up in a particularly comfortable and warm environment …

    History … keep putting the peasants down and you’ll eventually lose your head …

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:37 am

    I think it’s fine if people at the ABC invite whoever they like as guest speakers – after work.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:38 am

    And BTW I’ve attended plenty of “business union” (CoC, MTIA, Mining Industries to name a couple) meetings … where grog and grub (and bullshit) are usually free flowing in business hours …

    This … one for the elite and one for the workers shyte has always annoyed me … and obviously will continue to …

  70. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:40 am

    yomm, the staff were already arranged to have a meeting

    Management just weren’t allowing someone to speak

    where’s #freedomboy when you need him?

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:43 am

    sreb, re PK … dis you see the 7:30 interview?

    He also had a third level of security for the over 85s? (I think) a “life insurance” … that I’ve never heard of …

    Only touched on a National Super – would have liked to hear more … 6% target (he quoted) has worked for us … (depends on lifestyle and retirement capital of course)

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:54 am

    I really have no idea about the issue with the ABC, the bureaucrats that manage that place there are probably particularly clumsy and incompetent – so I won’t be defending decisions they make

    …but I presume the union sought a meeting under their legal right of entry and then sought to do something that is not part of their right of entry

  73. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:59 am

    …but I presume the union sought a meeting under their legal right of entry and then sought to do something that is not part of their right of entry

    FOR YOMM

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 11:04 am

    That’s fine – and as I’ve said – I have no intention of defending the decisions of the ABC bureaucracy

    …but there are legal rights unions have, and requests outside this that con be cooperatively accommodated

    It seems that Sally McManus wanted cooperative accommodation (outside legal right of entry) and I think this has now occurred.

  75. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 11:42 am

    and I think this has now occurred.

    It should have occurred from the start

    OUR ABC has been hijacked by right wing warriors who are simply combative against unions.

    Aunty is displaying all the virtues and behaviours of a born and bred Liberal apparatchik

    And we now know why.

    It needs a clean out, from top down

  76. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:21 pm

    The people responsible for the corruption of OUR ABC should be held responsible

    but malcolm etal never will be

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:23 pm

    OUR ABC has been hijacked by right wing warriors who are simply combative against unions.

    I think, ToM, already knows that … seems quite pleased too …

    It needs a cleanout of Board and Senior managers … and then a rehiring of the great journos they booted out … and bring back fkn Lateline!

    apparatchik = is that the one that lives in the Andes and looks like a llama?

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 1:37 pm

    I don’t have any particular knowledge of what’s happening at the ABC, other than the various factions seem to deserve each other. The pity is that they play their games at taxpayer expense.

    …but, it is reasonable that a publicly funded institution assiduously observes legal obligations.

    So if Sally McManus doesn’t qualify for entry as her legal right, it’s reasonable that there is some further discussion about the topic.

    I really can’t see that this view is “right wing” or unreasonable.

  79. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 1:54 pm

    other than the various factions seem to deserve each other.

    Any evidence of this?

    All we have seen so far is an ideological infiltration of a public broadcaster which has very evidently treated one political party with kid gloves, whilst applying all resources against the other.

    And now they are exhibiting anti Union sentiments that align with what can really only be called their political masters, for no other known reason than pure pettiness.

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 2:28 pm

    You’re talking about right vs left and you want evidence of factions???

    I was using the term more broadly… you know … Englih.

    But (as is typical of the left) you’re looking for some organised management agenda. I suspect it’s just typical public sector incompetence at a low level of the ABC.

  81. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 3:29 pm

    You’re talking about right vs left and you want evidence of factions???

    I simply asked for you to provide evidence that the ‘various factions’ deserve each other

    Considering one ‘faction’ is management, please provide evidence of why the ‘faction’ asking for Sally to appear deserves this management ‘faction’

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 3:43 pm

    If you think the groups in public sector organisations are that easily delineated, you’re fooling yourself

    Where yo see a conspiracy, I just see incompetence, there is probably a low level clerk in charge of filling out forms and ticking boxes on right of entry.

    Clerk – “and what is the permit number for Ms McManus?”
    Union – “I don’t think she has one”
    Clerk – “I don’t think we will be able to grant her entry”
    Union – ***expletive***
    Clerk – “I’ll have to check and get back to you”
    ———————-
    By the way – I voted in the Victorian election today – ALP – 5, Liberals – 6

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 3:51 pm

    You voted 11 times!

  84. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 4:09 pm

    Where yo see a conspiracy, I just see incompetence

    The incompetence arises because of hte conspiracy

    The libs have stacked the board with political appointments, and none of them are up to the job

    Of course, that suits the libs fine, they’l just try and argue that obviously a public broadcaster is better run by private

  85. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 4:09 pm

    You voted 11 times!

    🙂

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 4:13 pm

    I also filled out every box for the Legislative Council – 45

    Good luck to the scrutineers in counting my vote!

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 4:19 pm

    Maybe this one is correct – it is the experience of anyone who deals with the public service
    – Computer says no

  88. November 14, 2018 5:09 pm

    I dunno about the rest of you, but I don’t think YomM is rightwing at all. Read his long historical record of not siding with incompetent arsehats like Trump etc.

    He sure has an axe to grind against specific branches/elements of the Union movement; a bit like a disgruntled former Union Official, if I had to guess. But, if you give specific examples, you will receive mostly specific answers.

    For instance, I know his axe isn’t ground against my particular division of the CFMMEU. Recent replies to my comments, in fact, suggest that he thinks we should be ‘less benign’ with our P.I.A.
    I trust his judgement, because, over the last decade+ he’s demonstrated insight; not just ideological repulsion (for the most part).

    I would characterise YomM as economically conservative/libertarian (maybe), but generally socially progressive.

    Same as I always thought that ToSY was much more Libertarian (almost classically) than RightWing.

    I don’t think either of these blokes would fistpumpingly endorse Trumpism (in its purest, obnoxious, ignorant forms) because they are both smart enough to recognise dangerous, vulgar populism.
    Quite often, their playing Devil’s Advocate is mistaken for tacit approval of Nasty Conservatism.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 5:23 pm

    Thanks HD – can I put you down as a referee?

    But seriously thank you.

    It’s only in Australia that the orientation of people towards unions produces the political label. In other countries the political complexion is based on view around a range of progressive issues

  90. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 14, 2018 5:32 pm

    We had one of these years ago and it was closed down after the privatisation of the CBA. It was called the Commonwealth Development Bank. Now it is going to cost tax payers over $2,000,000,000 to do the same fucking thing. My dog they are all arseholes in that parliament, both sides. Paul Keating shut down the CDB.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/14/farmers-welcome-coalitions-2bn-plan-to-help-small-businesses-secure-loans

  91. shaneinqld permalink
    November 14, 2018 5:42 pm

    ToM

    If you think only in Australia the orientation of people towards unions produces the political label, then you are sorely mistaken. I suggest you read the link I provided days ago.

    You chastised me for assuming and then you assume yourself at 10.54am.

    I have never thought you were a right wing extremist as we have agreed on many things over the years. I just think you are terribly anti union with a blind spot to the actual facts.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 6:04 pm

    Good luck to the scrutineers in counting my vote!

    Hope you got the numbers in sequence … or its a donkey vote!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Quite often, their playing Devil’s Advocate is mistaken for tacit approval of Nasty Conservatism.

    toylet, I agree with your comments to some degree and ToM does concede arguments (one of the few) …

    … but I think you’ll find ToM gets a bit anxious when others (ME) play Devil’s Advocate …

    There’s Devil’s Advocate and there’s blind belief* …

    *Naive?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s only in Australia that the orientation of people towards unions produces the political label.

    Ya think?

    Just proved my point … as I write …

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 6:06 pm

    I just think you are terribly anti union with a blind spot to the actual facts.

    Sums it up pretty well …

  94. November 14, 2018 6:18 pm

    With the exception of kneel, a tragic ideologue, YomM represents the most arguable differing opinion here, most of the time.

    I’d hate to see him driven away by being piled upon.

    I am pleased, but not surprised that you other lads have recognised that he’s not entirely the devil.

    I never thought that you thought he was, and hell knows, he doesn’t need me defending him. But, having a contrarian (especially an intelligent, lucid, nuanced one…or two [ToSY]) to lock argumentative horns with is actually a gift, I reckon .

    Otherwise, just join me at boltbog and subtly take the piss out of the winged monkeys.

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 7:46 pm

    boltblog – banned a decade a go … but I like it ‘ere … and I actually like ToM (I think he knows that anyway) … well his comments at least …

    And having been the target of other commenters here (ToM has never been one) I understand “piled upon” …

    And I too would not like to “drive him away” … I actually miss my Achilles Heel who I agreed with often … hey Wally?

    Christmas gigs are up again … gotta practice … first is a “social group” of local JPs … I refused payment (they do it for free, I couldn’t charge a fee) but the last couple of years I’ve had a nice bottle of Wild Turkey as thanks … so …

    See youse tomorrow …

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 8:06 pm

    Shane, I still struggle to understand the point you are making.

    A week ago you posted a link to a group of cafe workers that wanted stronger legislation about payment of wages and entitlements

    And you might recall that is exactly what I was suggesting – whereas you and TB were saying unions are required

    The other article was by Josh Borenstein – the well known labor lawyer – he made a series of assertions that I’m not going to bother to deal with – unless you want to specifically argue points – this is a reason that I don’t go for the “debate it with the link” style of blogging

    He laments the decline in union density, and the effect of this on collective bargaining, but neglects to acknowledge that this has been a steady trend for over 40 years, not simply due to regulation.

    If there are any particular point you want to raise – fine, but I’m not debating with a link.

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 9:12 pm

    This should be interesting… I’m going overseas shortly and there is a strike at the hotel where I’m staying.

    …i hope someone will give me a turn with the water cannon… I can’t get away from the enjoyment of labor disputes

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 11:22 pm

    i hope someone will give me a turn with the water cannon

    D’ja wot? Oh, at management … now I get it … LOL!

  99. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 8:49 am

    I dunno about the rest of you, but I don’t think YomM is rightwing at all.

    Oh, I don’t think he is right wing, even though, he ends up arguing on that side much of the time.

    But, imo, that stems from his visceral HATRED of anything UNION (and, it appears, Public Servant also)

    And that very hatred clouds much of what would otherwise be quite a keen insight.

    Case in point, he fails/refuses to see Shanes point that THIS government is one of the main reasons wages are stagnating, and work sites are becoming more dangerous. He sees it all within the prism of Unions and public servants, and all locked within some historically distant point in time

    imo 😉

  100. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 9:04 am

    Another needless death, because of continual attacks on workers rights

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 11:06 am

    I actually don’t think I have a blind spot regarding unions.

    I’ve been a full time official and have dealt with the unions in about 6 – 8 diverse public and private industries. Without boasting, I diubt whether there are many with the diversity of experience. So I think I’m entirely qualified to make the observations.

    But I’m not posting my resume.

    In the past I’ve specifically said unions in health and education should receive more support.

    But… the good work of some is polluted by the grubbiness of other prominent unions, particularly in the construction sector.
    ———
    And I see the UFU have printed their own Vic election ticjets- put Jane Garrett last.

    Nice

  102. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 11:29 am

    But… the good work of some is polluted by the grubbiness of other prominent unions

    #turc told us otherwise

  103. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 11:55 am

    GOLD

  104. November 15, 2018 12:50 pm

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  105. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 15, 2018 12:51 pm

    ToM

    My point is that you need unions to enforce strong legislation.

    Unions are the police of the employment industry. Workers are mostly too frightened to complain due to losing their job if they do.

    The 40 year trend of union membership has been at the same time individual payments and non standard wages, along with casualisation and extreme privacy of employees wages plus continual attack on unions power and ability. I have worked for 40 years ToM and been in unions and a union delegate and have seen the effects and the gradual destruction of the unions, while management pressured every one to resign, especially anyone other than the bottom rung of employees.

    The start of the union run down was when many employers stopped deducting union membership fees from pay packets and banned union delegates from meeting workers on site. Then the blame unions for everything started and has increased to a crescendo of hysteria for management to achieve their aims. When there is no unions left and something happens just who will the right blame then? Strikes are almost unheard of yet there is still hysteria if any union calls for a strike as though the world will come to Armageddon.

    An employer can pay its staff to break any union action, but a union is no longer permitted to gift its members any money while they are on strike to support family or bills. Howard made sure of that.

    I witnessed the pressure from the top, the legislation against unions since Fraser, the intimidation, the insinuation that any action would result in you being managed out of your job as a result of other purposes. While it may be illegal to sack a worker because they are in a union, only an idiot would not realise that many members are massaged out of their employment under the guise of many other reasons.

    Unions are political beasts just like all associations are like the NFF they all charge for membership and they all lobby government. The CBA, CEO while I was there actually tried to coerce staff into voting for the LNP on our internal TV Broadcast, it was a disgrace !!!

    Is it against the law for a union to print a how to vote card?

  106. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 1:24 pm

    I wonder if barry has had any interaction with sebastion?

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 4:23 pm

    Shane,

    1. Unions just won’t have the resources to inspect the time and wages records of a retail store or a restaurant/cafe.

    That simply isn’t realistic and I am at a loss why you consider unions with 10% of private sector membership a preferable option to properly resourced regulation.

    If the ALP/Greens win the next election, do you really think they will leave this policing up to unions, or do you think they are likely to put more resources into workplace inspection?

    2. Unions can’t rely on employers to do their recruiting, even unions acknowledge that.

    3. Unions have a strike fund as I recall and ask members to kick in to support strikes. My recollection is that employers cannot make payment to employees during industrial action, but union members are entitled to kick into a fund.

    4. I don’t mind any organisation donating, supporting or advocating if they feel so inclined. So the point you seem to miss is that the unions form part of the ALP, and that is now a relationship that is past it’s use by date. Many people in unions and the ALP acknowledge this, but others support it – because they enjoy the political intrigue, poser and career opportunities.

    I think the dual political/industrial objectives prevents unions from maintaining their undivided attention on membership interests.

  108. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 4:37 pm

    because they enjoy the political intrigue, poser and career opportunities.

    Or they still hold to the same values?

    https://twitter.com/CFMEU_ME/status/1062933064458788864

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2018 5:18 pm

    I hope everyone opted out

    Months ago TR … but another reason we need a Federal ICAC … if he had conflicts of interest since 2016 … he should resign from the Health Dept post immediately … that’s two fkn years! I don’t give a shit that he’s “opted out” of advising Serco (he probably still is!) …

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2018 5:27 pm

    preferable option to properly resourced regulation.

    ‘Cause they aren’t resourced and they don’t have to worry about union oversight.

    Unions can’t rely on employers to do their recruiting, even unions acknowledge that

    Agree … unions need to ramp up their PR – ’cause its been trampled by LNP governments and management supporters – with far mor resources …

    Unions have a strike fund

    Laughable — unions have legislative difficulty calling a strike even after a secret ballot …

    unions form part of the ALP

    Check your history as to why … and who supports LNP? The original crowd land owners, property developers, big industry, resource giants … the ALP was formed to get a better deal originally for shearers and then for all workers … now those rights and conditions are being eroded by the LNP mob …

    I think the dual political/industrial objectives prevents unions from maintaining their undivided attention on membership interests.

    Looking at the current IR pendulum I think the unions need to ramp up their support for the ALP and influence change just like big business unions/associations/clubs do with LNP …

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 7:36 pm

    Laughable — unions have legislative difficulty calling a strike even after a secret ballot …

    You seem to deliberately miss the point, Shane said unions can’t have strike pay, my point is that unions can and do raise money to support striking workers, but they can’t have their employer pay them.

    Do you think this should or should not be the case?

    Check your history as to why … and who supports LNP?

    Again, you seem to deliberately miss the point – I don’t have a problem with any individual, business, or organisation participating in the political process. Unions in the USA generally provide strong support to the Democrats. That’s fine.

    To restate my opinion – direct affiliation conflicts the unions, and specifically makes them even more a political target.

  112. November 15, 2018 8:36 pm

    If you need further proof of why we need strong unions in this country, look no further than the recent debacle at the Royal Hobart Hospital site. More than 100 Chinese plasterers went nine weeks without pay and were collectively owed more $1 million. Worse still, the Muppets favourite apologists, the Master Builders Association, were paid to provide the workers with a safety induction. This was done in English despite most of the plasterers not being able to speak the language. Fortunately the CFMEU Vic-Tas intervened and the workers were eventually paid what they were owed. And despite the ABCC being on site most days, they took no action whatsoever to address the safety and underpayment issues. As I have said before, if someone is legally allowed to work in this country they should be afforded basic rights and protection from greedy bosses. Thank goodness the CFMEU Vic-Tas were there to protect these vulnerable workers.

  113. November 15, 2018 8:38 pm

    That last post was from Doug Cameron, a “union apologist” I suppose… 🙄🙄🤔😐

  114. November 15, 2018 8:41 pm

    “I hope everyone opted out”

    At the earliest fukn opportunity I can assure you.

  115. November 15, 2018 8:45 pm

    “Workers are mostly too frightened to complain due to losing their job if they do.”

    Don’t worry Shane.

    Yom seems convinced that tougher enforcement of regulations is the answer, because you know, that’s been working so well up until now… 🙄🙄🙄

  116. November 15, 2018 8:48 pm

    “Thank goodness the CFMEU Vic-Tas were there to protect these vulnerable workers”

    But, but the CFMEU are the devil’s spawn, isn’t Doug aware of this…..??? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 8:53 pm

    I could relate a personal anecdote regarding Doug Cameron, which (in my opinion is reflective of his character) I don’t regard him as having one.

    On the other hand, his successor, Dave Oliver, was an outstanding and committed labour man.

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 8:55 pm

    Do you think the ALP or Greens will leave enforcement of awards and minimum conditions up to the unions, or do you think they are likely to commit to tougher regulation?

  119. November 15, 2018 9:01 pm

    I opted myself, and my extended family out (at their request) months ago too.

    Fucked if I trust government with personal information; much less that which may be tempting to on-sell to insurance providers etc.

  120. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 8:43 am

    Dougie Cameron has more Character than the entire liberal party.

    ” Just because you are a character doesn’t mean that you have character.”
    Winston Wolfe

    Cameron has both.

    Do you have either?

  121. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 8:44 am

    This is beyond repulsive, Free Speech warriors? They are afraid of anything that criticizes them

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2018 10:35 am

    It is a slippery slope when union officials seek a personal favour and have a little tantrum when the favour isn’t delivered exactly as expected

  123. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 10:54 am

    yep, keep sliding down it yomm

    You can either put an allegation with some proof, or simply slime people innuendo, which does nothing but make you look like a petty little snark

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2018 11:21 am

    Yes, evidence is always required when something challenges our preconceptions.

    You are welcome to maintain your preconceptions

  125. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 11:47 am

    You are welcome to maintain your preconceptions

    And you are welcome to remain a petty sniper flinging shit from the sidelines.

    It’s pretty easy to see when you have nothing left to support your case (whatever that may be), just start flinging shit

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