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November 7, 2018

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2018 7:29 pm

    Chuckle … BTW it’s Rocky not Rockie fkn journalists …

    Why didn’t he drive to Bundy and then on to Rocky? … like Queenslanders do! FMD if he wants to play Aussie fkn Hero – be one … and he should fkn drive!

    Typical Cockroach …

    I see he studied “economic geography” … he should have studied geography – period !

    Only Western Australians and Queenslanders understand how big this bloody continent is! Oh! And the NT’ers …

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2018 8:53 pm

    I don’t blame him for flying. It’s a long way and there is nothing to see except dull bits of Queensland and the only people around are Queenslanders.

  3. November 7, 2018 9:23 pm

    I don’t blame him for flying either, I just blame them all for having taxpayers fund their largesse.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2018 10:07 pm

    Hear! Hear! Toylet!

    Think they are fkn royalty!

  5. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 8, 2018 6:46 am

    Flying while also sending a bus, what a wonderful example of austerity from the party that demands less for the poor and more for the rich. Blood sucking leeches and thieves. The hypocrisy is astounding.

    The LNP had better be paying for this propaganda election campaign and not the tax payer under the guise of policy information.

  6. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 6:56 am

    Utterly hilarious, the party and the energy minister, that demands privatisation of everything to their mates, so they can buy shares and staunchly claim that the market forces drive competition, have asked the energy retailers to reduce their charges, out of cycle and before an election.

    Honestly the corruption is disgusting. No doubt they would have said to them, you can fuck the customers again after we are re elected.

    Once again the privatisation ideology and fanaticism of selling off everything we own, turns around and screws the citizens within an inch of their pay packet while the arsehole CEOs get richer and richer with more and more dividends.

    Amazingly the daily availability charge on electricity bills is becoming more and more of the total cost as the retailers massage the bill by increasing the availability while not increasing the KW charge. Thereby claiming that the price of electricity has stagnated. They are doing a bank smoke and mirrors where a fee is introduced while the rate stays the same.

    All blood sucking leeches.

  7. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 7:04 am

    Honestly the most dictatorial, partisan and hate filled POTUS ever who has derided the democrats and anyone else he chooses, is now calling on the two parties to come together in bipartisanship.

    The Republicans were so hate filled against Obama for 8 years that I hope the Democrats give him the middle finger salute and put the boot in as far as they can.

  8. November 8, 2018 9:00 am

    “I’m just interested in the point of the bus if you’re not on it.”

    Precisely.

  9. November 8, 2018 9:01 am

    A reminder that Talcum will be on Q&A tonight at the special time of 8:00pm.

    I wonder if the pentecostal prick will be tuning in.

  10. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 9:27 am

    I will watch Malcolm on Saturday when it is repeated.A new episode of the middle is far more interesting tonight and a better laugh as well.

  11. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 9:45 am

    What amazes me is that the LNP claim the 2 best PMs that have kept out of politics has been John Howard and Julia Gillard. For fucks sake John Howard has been just as active on the political since he was booted, giving lectures about politics, supporting candidates, giving opinions and out campaigning. Julia Gillard has kept quiet. There is absolutely no comparison.

    Funny how Abbott has shut his flapping arsehole since the shock of Wentworth and the instillation of a religious nutter to the MP. Maybe he is shitting himself for his own seat as well. Wentworth shows that most voters support action on climate change, action on private schools being able to discriminate, action on renewables, action on the murray darling, action on aged care, action on refugees. All things that Abbott hates.

  12. November 8, 2018 9:47 am

    “All things that Abbott hates.”

    Oh, he hates a lot more than that.

    How much time do you have?

  13. November 8, 2018 9:48 am

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  14. November 8, 2018 11:10 am

    chuckle…

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  15. November 8, 2018 12:20 pm

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  17. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2018 12:36 pm

    chuckle…

    Chuckle? I sat here giggling with glee …

    Hope dem bus gags keep comin’

  18. Ride`the`Bus`Teabag permalink
    November 8, 2018 2:00 pm

    Haw Haw Haw! Teabags drive their bus off the Cliff and of course lts all labors fault. l notice we all seem to be in agree-ance with the off-bus taxpayer funded jetsetting too.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    November 8, 2018 2:18 pm

    chuckle…

    sreb, have another look at that Shorten photo WTF is draped over the book behind him? White cloth blue border, cross over the southern cross?

  20. shaneinqld permalink
    November 8, 2018 5:14 pm

    Luke Foley needs to resign now !

  21. Know`Standing`Teabag permalink
    November 8, 2018 6:17 pm

    Yes l noticed too reb. Now that he is booted, im-a-strong leader finally has the nads to turn-up to my abc qandaland. l hope the in studio audience give the weak tunc hell. Yeah, probably watch.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2018 7:22 pm

    Luke Foley must have missed the memo about behaviour at Christmas Parties.

    What a sleazy f***wit

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2018 8:13 pm

    And Mark Latham is going well with Pauline Hanson.

    The ALP’s had some sensational leaders

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 8, 2018 10:14 pm

    Once again the privatisation ideology and fanaticism of selling off everything we own, turns around and screws the citizens within an inch of their pay packet

    Shane

    I have told you a million times privatisation has nothing to do with rising electricity prices. It is the push for renewables causing the problem. SA got rid of coal generated electricity and then found the govt had to spend $100M on diesel generators as a backup then build a new gas fired power station costing who knows what.

    Also I read on another blog the so called gold plating of the network which has been blamed on the rising costs was done because renewable energy needs more maintenance and more substations etc

  25. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2018 6:08 am

    So another Labor pollie is booted from Parliament from a leaked accusation that is contested by the participants.

    And who ultimately gains from this grubby tactic?

    Also, quite sickening watching the entire media and twitter armies taking one side, when there are two alternate versions, from which a multitude of scenarios could be the actual truth

    One thing is clear. Two lives are ruined because of the leaking by one man/party

    Which life deserved it, if any, is yet to be ascertained.

    Politics in Oz is filthy.

  26. shaneinqld permalink
    November 9, 2018 8:43 am

    Tom R

    I agree politics is filthy but I would state that an MP should resign form any party if allegations are made. They can then be investigated and can sue for defamation. Having said that, these allegations made under parliamentary privilege without the consent of the victim is disgraceful and the MP should be sacked immediately.

  27. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2018 3:01 pm

    I agree politics is filthy but I would state that an MP should resign form any party if allegations are made.

    I don’t know about resign, but certainly make themselves absent.

    But really, allegations should be tested before being made public imo. And penalties should be incurred for anybody disseminating allegations before those findings are in.

    And the lolstralian (ok, all ltdnews) should be run out of the country

    http://about.abc.net.au/statements/statement-on-report-in-the-australian/

  28. Beam`Me`Up`Teabag permalink
    November 10, 2018 1:47 am

    The grass is brown, not green.

    The sky is gray, not blue.

    lts all labors fault !

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 10, 2018 5:32 pm

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-10/pellegrinis-owner-sisto-malaspina-remembered-by-restaurant-staff/10485084

    The person killed by the nutcase yesterday was the owner of Pelligrini’s – one of the original Italian cafes in Melbourne.

    Random violence and terrorism

  30. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    November 10, 2018 7:51 pm

    Teebz, did you see this on reportland this week?

    https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/power-bills-up-appliances-burning-out-you-may-have/10481024

    ” LIZ HOBDAY: Pensioner Paul Ryan installed solar panels more than a year ago but for much of the time the voltage on the grid near Paul Ryan’s house runs too high, and that forces his solar system to shut down to protect itself. That’s a common problem with home solar. ”

    @this is a little bit fakenewsy or timid reporting, probably to not draw fire from corporate teabags. As you know l will be going offgrid, along with others, once price is right. Corporate suppliers will be intentionally running the grid at highest possible, to prevent as much private feed-in as possible, as my sparkie mate told me ages ago. This is why we want the double/multi battery system. (along with the obvious avoiding having to deal with continual goal-post moving by corporate suppliers)

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2018 10:22 am

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/i-got-him-but-he-didn-t-go-down-trolley-man-tells-how-he-rammed-bourke-street-attacker-20181110-p50fau.html#comments

    Trolley man is homeless but acted instinctively to help others that were in danger. I’ll kick in to the fund.

    Here’s a guy that probably is treated poorly by the community and the police, but helped anyway. It’s a good story in the middle of all the tragedy.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2018 10:46 am

    … LEST WE FORGET …

    … we will remember them …

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2018 3:34 pm

    Ditto TB

  34. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2018 9:11 am

    Why would their polling being going down I wonder?

  35. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2018 10:38 am

    .… we will remember them …

    And their sacrifices which were for ……?

    “Died In A Foreign Field. And For What?”

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-incontrovertible-truth-about-world-war-i-20181109-p50f0t.html

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2018 11:12 am

    I see some are saying that the actions of the Bourke St terrorist was a cry for help.

    Really? He attempted to use his ute as a bomb, and killed a guy that was going to his aid. He’s a c*** who had his mind filled with extreme religious poison.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2018 11:55 am

    Watch the body language — astounding stuff … Vladimir owns Donny …

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/11/thumbs-up-from-putin-as-trump-rains-on-armistice-parade

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And their sacrifices which were for ……?

    That’s exactly WHY “we remember them” … war is and never can be a “glorious adventure” … a friend lost his brother in Vietnam and I lost a mate with I met at 3TB Singleton …

    Note: Most people still don’t figure out that East Timor (a family member served there) was all about GAS …

    VN was about fkn ideology! USA christians had to fight the communist tide of atheism … the North VN just wanted to reunite VN … and boot out the corrupt US puppet government …

    Soldiers do what POLITICIANS tell them to do … volunteers or conscripts …

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2018 11:57 am

    Judging by the headlines the Harry & Meghan media circus honeymoon is over …

  39. shaneinqld permalink
    November 12, 2018 4:48 pm

    ToM

    Totally agree, there are many people with mental health issues and this was not one of them based my experience with mental health sufferers, the majority want to hurt themselves, not others.

  40. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 8:35 am

    shaneinqld, I’m no expert in the field, so won’t comment either way.

    All I know is, there are assholes everywhere, it’s called the the Human Condition 😦

    Our grubmint only seems to freak out over certain aspects of that condition though

  41. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 8:46 am

    Even when they back track and say they are doing the ‘right’ thing (only due to political pressure mind you), they lie about it!

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 9:30 am

    Fkn smoke and mirror shit does not work! Unless your constituents are still uneducated peasants!

  43. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 9:46 am

    Unless your constituents are still uneducated peasants!

    And that leads us into Gonski 2.0 😦

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2018 10:43 am

    it’s called the the Human Condition

    And it’s certainly exacerbated when there is an organised cheer squad that encourages murderous and suicidal inclinations

  45. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 11:00 am

    And it’s certainly exacerbated when there is an organised cheer squad that encourages murderous and suicidal inclinations

    Exactly

    And our pollies and media really shouldn’t repeatedly place themselves within that category (as no one should)

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 11:19 am

    Even when they back track And the damage is already done!

    BTW, apologies to all uneducated peasants …

  47. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 12:03 pm

    non taken 😉

  48. November 13, 2018 1:20 pm

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  49. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 1:49 pm

    If there was someone who was teaching things not in accordance with what our faith believed they’d be pointing it out.

    Are they aware that one of their conflagration is torturing children on a remote island?

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 2:27 pm

    “conflagration” ?? Chuckle 🙂

    Could you confirmation that, please?

  51. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2018 2:29 pm

    Valedictory it yerself 😉

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 2:38 pm

    And while we are on the subject I too noticed that it was GG Cosgrove in France and had the same thought …

    … there was no Prime Minister Morrison there … Why wasn’t he there …The answer I’m told by his spokesperson is that his schedule was too crowded, with three other overseas commitments this month – despite the fact that it was in Malcolm Turnbull’s calendar to go had he still been prime minister.

    We can at least be allowed mild surprise, I think, that the bus shenanigans in Queensland last week were clearly scheduled as of more importance than what could have been gained by being in Paris for the ceremony and the lead-up.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/morrison-should-have-been-by-macron-s-side-20181112-p50fgp.html

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 5:10 pm

    Speaking of valedictories … I’m off to see my g/daughter receive her first subject in her study’s at the local ACU … in a half hour or so … she’ll be study her degree(s) there …

    She graduates from H/school on Thursday but completed her first subject in Nursing/Paramedics during her last school holidays …

    Proud as punch … and new video camera ready to go! 🙂

  54. November 13, 2018 5:11 pm

    Unlike a government to try & maximise a terrorist incident for political gain.

    And yes, this was a deranged, indoctrinated, religious extremist. Not dissimilar to a few of the very recent xtian nutjobs who shot Jews or sent parcel bombs to Trump’s well recorded ideological sparring partners.

    It’s interesting to watch vested interests embrace ‘mental illness’ (precluding, or renouncing the individuals membership of their self professed religion/affiliation) when it’s one of their team doing the killing; only to reject same diagnoses when it’s ‘them’.

    Fucking hypocritical, transparent, shameful & expedient.

    This should not be read as me arguing that the cunt in Melbourne wasn’t a terrorist; I think he fits that category well.
    Islam may get most of the bad press (rightly, most often)…but it sure as fuck doesn’t have a monopoly on religious violence & apologetics for said.

  55. November 13, 2018 5:23 pm

    Congrats to her, TB!

  56. November 13, 2018 7:56 pm

    “Islam may get most of the bad press (rightly, most often)…but it sure as fuck doesn’t have a monopoly on religious violence & apologetics for said.”

    Indeed.

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2018 10:45 pm

    Hear! Hear!

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:03 am

    This is what is happening in the real world, ToM

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/13/abc-management-bars-sally-mcmanus-from-entering-sydney-headquarters

    I know they did a back flip BUT the damage was already done …

    Really stupid people in management these days … I might consider going back into business …

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:03 am

    correction – replace stupid with ignorant (the true meaning)

  60. Keep`Snorting`Teabag permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:29 am

    Okay pinkists. Did everybody pay attention to last weeks news? Did we all see slomo rearrange the foodbank finances, which equated foodbank getting cut? Did we all notice blib didn`t just let slomo trudge of the cliff edge with those foodbank cuts and remain quiet; but loudly shoo-ed zombies from cliff edge? Do we all understand the importance of the election strategy; shhh.blib? He doesn`t. Not happy with merely shoo-ing zombies from cliff edge; Did we all see blib start spouting his repug crap? Which is even less popular and less important among viewers! l`m starting to think blib is trying to make pauline prez!

  61. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 8:40 am

    Highlight from that abc v unions story TB

    Sources said management increasingly had a “hostile agenda” towards the union and regularly refused entry to union officials.

    This is our PUBLIC broadcaster ffs

    fully stocked with right wing ideologues from the top ……………….. how far down does it go is the question?

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 9:07 am

    Is there a suggestion that the ABC is doing anything other than meeting their obligations to provide right of entry?

    Because observing their legal obligations is what a public institution should do.- anything more than this is a favour.

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  64. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 9:37 am

    for yomm

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:09 am

    No worries at all, I’m sure employees can attend during their lunch break.

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:11 am

    Or even schedule it after work – maybe 5pm?

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:33 am

    Or even schedule it after work – maybe 5pm?

    From memory it was an after work function?

    Does James Pearson get turned down? Or Innes Wilcox?

    I bet they just wander in whenever …

    But your bitterness towards UNIONS (or is it really ignorance) is getting Neel-like …

    As if you have been told stuff and you are repeating it … or you’ve read stuff with an anti union bias … or you’ve simply grown up in a particularly comfortable and warm environment …

    History … keep putting the peasants down and you’ll eventually lose your head …

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:37 am

    I think it’s fine if people at the ABC invite whoever they like as guest speakers – after work.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:38 am

    And BTW I’ve attended plenty of “business union” (CoC, MTIA, Mining Industries to name a couple) meetings … where grog and grub (and bullshit) are usually free flowing in business hours …

    This … one for the elite and one for the workers shyte has always annoyed me … and obviously will continue to …

  70. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:40 am

    yomm, the staff were already arranged to have a meeting

    Management just weren’t allowing someone to speak

    where’s #freedomboy when you need him?

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:43 am

    sreb, re PK … dis you see the 7:30 interview?

    He also had a third level of security for the over 85s? (I think) a “life insurance” … that I’ve never heard of …

    Only touched on a National Super – would have liked to hear more … 6% target (he quoted) has worked for us … (depends on lifestyle and retirement capital of course)

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:54 am

    I really have no idea about the issue with the ABC, the bureaucrats that manage that place there are probably particularly clumsy and incompetent – so I won’t be defending decisions they make

    …but I presume the union sought a meeting under their legal right of entry and then sought to do something that is not part of their right of entry

  73. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 10:59 am

    …but I presume the union sought a meeting under their legal right of entry and then sought to do something that is not part of their right of entry

    FOR YOMM

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 11:04 am

    That’s fine – and as I’ve said – I have no intention of defending the decisions of the ABC bureaucracy

    …but there are legal rights unions have, and requests outside this that con be cooperatively accommodated

    It seems that Sally McManus wanted cooperative accommodation (outside legal right of entry) and I think this has now occurred.

  75. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 11:42 am

    and I think this has now occurred.

    It should have occurred from the start

    OUR ABC has been hijacked by right wing warriors who are simply combative against unions.

    Aunty is displaying all the virtues and behaviours of a born and bred Liberal apparatchik

    And we now know why.

    It needs a clean out, from top down

  76. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:21 pm

    The people responsible for the corruption of OUR ABC should be held responsible

    but malcolm etal never will be

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 12:23 pm

    OUR ABC has been hijacked by right wing warriors who are simply combative against unions.

    I think, ToM, already knows that … seems quite pleased too …

    It needs a cleanout of Board and Senior managers … and then a rehiring of the great journos they booted out … and bring back fkn Lateline!

    apparatchik = is that the one that lives in the Andes and looks like a llama?

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 1:37 pm

    I don’t have any particular knowledge of what’s happening at the ABC, other than the various factions seem to deserve each other. The pity is that they play their games at taxpayer expense.

    …but, it is reasonable that a publicly funded institution assiduously observes legal obligations.

    So if Sally McManus doesn’t qualify for entry as her legal right, it’s reasonable that there is some further discussion about the topic.

    I really can’t see that this view is “right wing” or unreasonable.

  79. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 1:54 pm

    other than the various factions seem to deserve each other.

    Any evidence of this?

    All we have seen so far is an ideological infiltration of a public broadcaster which has very evidently treated one political party with kid gloves, whilst applying all resources against the other.

    And now they are exhibiting anti Union sentiments that align with what can really only be called their political masters, for no other known reason than pure pettiness.

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 2:28 pm

    You’re talking about right vs left and you want evidence of factions???

    I was using the term more broadly… you know … Englih.

    But (as is typical of the left) you’re looking for some organised management agenda. I suspect it’s just typical public sector incompetence at a low level of the ABC.

  81. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 3:29 pm

    You’re talking about right vs left and you want evidence of factions???

    I simply asked for you to provide evidence that the ‘various factions’ deserve each other

    Considering one ‘faction’ is management, please provide evidence of why the ‘faction’ asking for Sally to appear deserves this management ‘faction’

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 3:43 pm

    If you think the groups in public sector organisations are that easily delineated, you’re fooling yourself

    Where yo see a conspiracy, I just see incompetence, there is probably a low level clerk in charge of filling out forms and ticking boxes on right of entry.

    Clerk – “and what is the permit number for Ms McManus?”
    Union – “I don’t think she has one”
    Clerk – “I don’t think we will be able to grant her entry”
    Union – ***expletive***
    Clerk – “I’ll have to check and get back to you”
    ———————-
    By the way – I voted in the Victorian election today – ALP – 5, Liberals – 6

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 3:51 pm

    You voted 11 times!

  84. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 4:09 pm

    Where yo see a conspiracy, I just see incompetence

    The incompetence arises because of hte conspiracy

    The libs have stacked the board with political appointments, and none of them are up to the job

    Of course, that suits the libs fine, they’l just try and argue that obviously a public broadcaster is better run by private

  85. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2018 4:09 pm

    You voted 11 times!

    🙂

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 4:13 pm

    I also filled out every box for the Legislative Council – 45

    Good luck to the scrutineers in counting my vote!

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 4:19 pm

    Maybe this one is correct – it is the experience of anyone who deals with the public service
    – Computer says no

  88. November 14, 2018 5:09 pm

    I dunno about the rest of you, but I don’t think YomM is rightwing at all. Read his long historical record of not siding with incompetent arsehats like Trump etc.

    He sure has an axe to grind against specific branches/elements of the Union movement; a bit like a disgruntled former Union Official, if I had to guess. But, if you give specific examples, you will receive mostly specific answers.

    For instance, I know his axe isn’t ground against my particular division of the CFMMEU. Recent replies to my comments, in fact, suggest that he thinks we should be ‘less benign’ with our P.I.A.
    I trust his judgement, because, over the last decade+ he’s demonstrated insight; not just ideological repulsion (for the most part).

    I would characterise YomM as economically conservative/libertarian (maybe), but generally socially progressive.

    Same as I always thought that ToSY was much more Libertarian (almost classically) than RightWing.

    I don’t think either of these blokes would fistpumpingly endorse Trumpism (in its purest, obnoxious, ignorant forms) because they are both smart enough to recognise dangerous, vulgar populism.
    Quite often, their playing Devil’s Advocate is mistaken for tacit approval of Nasty Conservatism.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 5:23 pm

    Thanks HD – can I put you down as a referee?

    But seriously thank you.

    It’s only in Australia that the orientation of people towards unions produces the political label. In other countries the political complexion is based on view around a range of progressive issues

  90. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 14, 2018 5:32 pm

    We had one of these years ago and it was closed down after the privatisation of the CBA. It was called the Commonwealth Development Bank. Now it is going to cost tax payers over $2,000,000,000 to do the same fucking thing. My dog they are all arseholes in that parliament, both sides. Paul Keating shut down the CDB.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/14/farmers-welcome-coalitions-2bn-plan-to-help-small-businesses-secure-loans

  91. shaneinqld permalink
    November 14, 2018 5:42 pm

    ToM

    If you think only in Australia the orientation of people towards unions produces the political label, then you are sorely mistaken. I suggest you read the link I provided days ago.

    You chastised me for assuming and then you assume yourself at 10.54am.

    I have never thought you were a right wing extremist as we have agreed on many things over the years. I just think you are terribly anti union with a blind spot to the actual facts.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 6:04 pm

    Good luck to the scrutineers in counting my vote!

    Hope you got the numbers in sequence … or its a donkey vote!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Quite often, their playing Devil’s Advocate is mistaken for tacit approval of Nasty Conservatism.

    toylet, I agree with your comments to some degree and ToM does concede arguments (one of the few) …

    … but I think you’ll find ToM gets a bit anxious when others (ME) play Devil’s Advocate …

    There’s Devil’s Advocate and there’s blind belief* …

    *Naive?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s only in Australia that the orientation of people towards unions produces the political label.

    Ya think?

    Just proved my point … as I write …

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 6:06 pm

    I just think you are terribly anti union with a blind spot to the actual facts.

    Sums it up pretty well …

  94. November 14, 2018 6:18 pm

    With the exception of kneel, a tragic ideologue, YomM represents the most arguable differing opinion here, most of the time.

    I’d hate to see him driven away by being piled upon.

    I am pleased, but not surprised that you other lads have recognised that he’s not entirely the devil.

    I never thought that you thought he was, and hell knows, he doesn’t need me defending him. But, having a contrarian (especially an intelligent, lucid, nuanced one…or two [ToSY]) to lock argumentative horns with is actually a gift, I reckon .

    Otherwise, just join me at boltbog and subtly take the piss out of the winged monkeys.

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 7:46 pm

    boltblog – banned a decade a go … but I like it ‘ere … and I actually like ToM (I think he knows that anyway) … well his comments at least …

    And having been the target of other commenters here (ToM has never been one) I understand “piled upon” …

    And I too would not like to “drive him away” … I actually miss my Achilles Heel who I agreed with often … hey Wally?

    Christmas gigs are up again … gotta practice … first is a “social group” of local JPs … I refused payment (they do it for free, I couldn’t charge a fee) but the last couple of years I’ve had a nice bottle of Wild Turkey as thanks … so …

    See youse tomorrow …

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 8:06 pm

    Shane, I still struggle to understand the point you are making.

    A week ago you posted a link to a group of cafe workers that wanted stronger legislation about payment of wages and entitlements

    And you might recall that is exactly what I was suggesting – whereas you and TB were saying unions are required

    The other article was by Josh Borenstein – the well known labor lawyer – he made a series of assertions that I’m not going to bother to deal with – unless you want to specifically argue points – this is a reason that I don’t go for the “debate it with the link” style of blogging

    He laments the decline in union density, and the effect of this on collective bargaining, but neglects to acknowledge that this has been a steady trend for over 40 years, not simply due to regulation.

    If there are any particular point you want to raise – fine, but I’m not debating with a link.

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2018 9:12 pm

    This should be interesting… I’m going overseas shortly and there is a strike at the hotel where I’m staying.

    …i hope someone will give me a turn with the water cannon… I can’t get away from the enjoyment of labor disputes

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2018 11:22 pm

    i hope someone will give me a turn with the water cannon

    D’ja wot? Oh, at management … now I get it … LOL!

  99. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 8:49 am

    I dunno about the rest of you, but I don’t think YomM is rightwing at all.

    Oh, I don’t think he is right wing, even though, he ends up arguing on that side much of the time.

    But, imo, that stems from his visceral HATRED of anything UNION (and, it appears, Public Servant also)

    And that very hatred clouds much of what would otherwise be quite a keen insight.

    Case in point, he fails/refuses to see Shanes point that THIS government is one of the main reasons wages are stagnating, and work sites are becoming more dangerous. He sees it all within the prism of Unions and public servants, and all locked within some historically distant point in time

    imo 😉

  100. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 9:04 am

    Another needless death, because of continual attacks on workers rights

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 11:06 am

    I actually don’t think I have a blind spot regarding unions.

    I’ve been a full time official and have dealt with the unions in about 6 – 8 diverse public and private industries. Without boasting, I diubt whether there are many with the diversity of experience. So I think I’m entirely qualified to make the observations.

    But I’m not posting my resume.

    In the past I’ve specifically said unions in health and education should receive more support.

    But… the good work of some is polluted by the grubbiness of other prominent unions, particularly in the construction sector.
    ———
    And I see the UFU have printed their own Vic election ticjets- put Jane Garrett last.

    Nice

  102. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 11:29 am

    But… the good work of some is polluted by the grubbiness of other prominent unions

    #turc told us otherwise

  103. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 11:55 am

    GOLD

  104. November 15, 2018 12:50 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  105. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 15, 2018 12:51 pm

    ToM

    My point is that you need unions to enforce strong legislation.

    Unions are the police of the employment industry. Workers are mostly too frightened to complain due to losing their job if they do.

    The 40 year trend of union membership has been at the same time individual payments and non standard wages, along with casualisation and extreme privacy of employees wages plus continual attack on unions power and ability. I have worked for 40 years ToM and been in unions and a union delegate and have seen the effects and the gradual destruction of the unions, while management pressured every one to resign, especially anyone other than the bottom rung of employees.

    The start of the union run down was when many employers stopped deducting union membership fees from pay packets and banned union delegates from meeting workers on site. Then the blame unions for everything started and has increased to a crescendo of hysteria for management to achieve their aims. When there is no unions left and something happens just who will the right blame then? Strikes are almost unheard of yet there is still hysteria if any union calls for a strike as though the world will come to Armageddon.

    An employer can pay its staff to break any union action, but a union is no longer permitted to gift its members any money while they are on strike to support family or bills. Howard made sure of that.

    I witnessed the pressure from the top, the legislation against unions since Fraser, the intimidation, the insinuation that any action would result in you being managed out of your job as a result of other purposes. While it may be illegal to sack a worker because they are in a union, only an idiot would not realise that many members are massaged out of their employment under the guise of many other reasons.

    Unions are political beasts just like all associations are like the NFF they all charge for membership and they all lobby government. The CBA, CEO while I was there actually tried to coerce staff into voting for the LNP on our internal TV Broadcast, it was a disgrace !!!

    Is it against the law for a union to print a how to vote card?

  106. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 1:24 pm

    I wonder if barry has had any interaction with sebastion?

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 4:23 pm

    Shane,

    1. Unions just won’t have the resources to inspect the time and wages records of a retail store or a restaurant/cafe.

    That simply isn’t realistic and I am at a loss why you consider unions with 10% of private sector membership a preferable option to properly resourced regulation.

    If the ALP/Greens win the next election, do you really think they will leave this policing up to unions, or do you think they are likely to put more resources into workplace inspection?

    2. Unions can’t rely on employers to do their recruiting, even unions acknowledge that.

    3. Unions have a strike fund as I recall and ask members to kick in to support strikes. My recollection is that employers cannot make payment to employees during industrial action, but union members are entitled to kick into a fund.

    4. I don’t mind any organisation donating, supporting or advocating if they feel so inclined. So the point you seem to miss is that the unions form part of the ALP, and that is now a relationship that is past it’s use by date. Many people in unions and the ALP acknowledge this, but others support it – because they enjoy the political intrigue, poser and career opportunities.

    I think the dual political/industrial objectives prevents unions from maintaining their undivided attention on membership interests.

  108. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2018 4:37 pm

    because they enjoy the political intrigue, poser and career opportunities.

    Or they still hold to the same values?

    https://twitter.com/CFMEU_ME/status/1062933064458788864

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2018 5:18 pm

    I hope everyone opted out

    Months ago TR … but another reason we need a Federal ICAC … if he had conflicts of interest since 2016 … he should resign from the Health Dept post immediately … that’s two fkn years! I don’t give a shit that he’s “opted out” of advising Serco (he probably still is!) …

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2018 5:27 pm

    preferable option to properly resourced regulation.

    ‘Cause they aren’t resourced and they don’t have to worry about union oversight.

    Unions can’t rely on employers to do their recruiting, even unions acknowledge that

    Agree … unions need to ramp up their PR – ’cause its been trampled by LNP governments and management supporters – with far mor resources …

    Unions have a strike fund

    Laughable — unions have legislative difficulty calling a strike even after a secret ballot …

    unions form part of the ALP

    Check your history as to why … and who supports LNP? The original crowd land owners, property developers, big industry, resource giants … the ALP was formed to get a better deal originally for shearers and then for all workers … now those rights and conditions are being eroded by the LNP mob …

    I think the dual political/industrial objectives prevents unions from maintaining their undivided attention on membership interests.

    Looking at the current IR pendulum I think the unions need to ramp up their support for the ALP and influence change just like big business unions/associations/clubs do with LNP …

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 7:36 pm

    Laughable — unions have legislative difficulty calling a strike even after a secret ballot …

    You seem to deliberately miss the point, Shane said unions can’t have strike pay, my point is that unions can and do raise money to support striking workers, but they can’t have their employer pay them.

    Do you think this should or should not be the case?

    Check your history as to why … and who supports LNP?

    Again, you seem to deliberately miss the point – I don’t have a problem with any individual, business, or organisation participating in the political process. Unions in the USA generally provide strong support to the Democrats. That’s fine.

    To restate my opinion – direct affiliation conflicts the unions, and specifically makes them even more a political target.

  112. November 15, 2018 8:36 pm

    If you need further proof of why we need strong unions in this country, look no further than the recent debacle at the Royal Hobart Hospital site. More than 100 Chinese plasterers went nine weeks without pay and were collectively owed more $1 million. Worse still, the Muppets favourite apologists, the Master Builders Association, were paid to provide the workers with a safety induction. This was done in English despite most of the plasterers not being able to speak the language. Fortunately the CFMEU Vic-Tas intervened and the workers were eventually paid what they were owed. And despite the ABCC being on site most days, they took no action whatsoever to address the safety and underpayment issues. As I have said before, if someone is legally allowed to work in this country they should be afforded basic rights and protection from greedy bosses. Thank goodness the CFMEU Vic-Tas were there to protect these vulnerable workers.

  113. November 15, 2018 8:38 pm

    That last post was from Doug Cameron, a “union apologist” I suppose… 🙄🙄🤔😐

  114. November 15, 2018 8:41 pm

    “I hope everyone opted out”

    At the earliest fukn opportunity I can assure you.

  115. November 15, 2018 8:45 pm

    “Workers are mostly too frightened to complain due to losing their job if they do.”

    Don’t worry Shane.

    Yom seems convinced that tougher enforcement of regulations is the answer, because you know, that’s been working so well up until now… 🙄🙄🙄

  116. November 15, 2018 8:48 pm

    “Thank goodness the CFMEU Vic-Tas were there to protect these vulnerable workers”

    But, but the CFMEU are the devil’s spawn, isn’t Doug aware of this…..??? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 8:53 pm

    I could relate a personal anecdote regarding Doug Cameron, which (in my opinion is reflective of his character) I don’t regard him as having one.

    On the other hand, his successor, Dave Oliver, was an outstanding and committed labour man.

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2018 8:55 pm

    Do you think the ALP or Greens will leave enforcement of awards and minimum conditions up to the unions, or do you think they are likely to commit to tougher regulation?

  119. November 15, 2018 9:01 pm

    I opted myself, and my extended family out (at their request) months ago too.

    Fucked if I trust government with personal information; much less that which may be tempting to on-sell to insurance providers etc.

  120. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 8:43 am

    Dougie Cameron has more Character than the entire liberal party.

    ” Just because you are a character doesn’t mean that you have character.”
    Winston Wolfe

    Cameron has both.

    Do you have either?

  121. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 8:44 am

    This is beyond repulsive, Free Speech warriors? They are afraid of anything that criticizes them

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2018 10:35 am

    It is a slippery slope when union officials seek a personal favour and have a little tantrum when the favour isn’t delivered exactly as expected

  123. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 10:54 am

    yep, keep sliding down it yomm

    You can either put an allegation with some proof, or simply slime people innuendo, which does nothing but make you look like a petty little snark

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2018 11:21 am

    Yes, evidence is always required when something challenges our preconceptions.

    You are welcome to maintain your preconceptions

  125. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 11:47 am

    You are welcome to maintain your preconceptions

    And you are welcome to remain a petty sniper flinging shit from the sidelines.

    It’s pretty easy to see when you have nothing left to support your case (whatever that may be), just start flinging shit

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2018 12:10 pm

    People here post about their experiences.

    I have no intention of detailing my CV in order to illustrate this experience. So you’ll have to get over it, because i knew that comment would bother you particularly.

    Of all the union officials I dealt with – there was only one that had a little tanty about their request.

  127. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 12:24 pm

    In my cv experienced lived lives, I’ve found people often throw ‘tanties’ when they are dealing with an individual who expresses outright hatred towards them for no obvious reason, except they are a hater

    But just like the wounded and when it’s too late
    They’ll remember they’ll surrender
    Never a care for the people who hate
    Underestimate me now

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2018 12:27 pm

    Well, back in those days I was regarded as particularly union friendly and even unnecessarily accommodating! So you’ll have to get over it.

  129. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 12:33 pm

    hmm, the plot thickens. I always assumed it was Gillard who turned you down. Perhaps it was Dougie?

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2018 1:00 pm

    The ignorance of our politicians constantly astounds me … particularly in the subjects of history and geography …

    “Israel is the only country in the world where Australia doesn’t put its embassy in that nation’s capital. It stands alone.

    The capital of Holland is Amsterdam … The Australian Embassy is situated an hour away in the city of The Hague …

    As for this crap …

    Australia “will make its own decisions in its own national interest”.

    It is absolutely NOT in the interests of Australia to be squabbling over Jewish, Muslim, Christian insults and other religious BS … in a declared SECULAR country!

    Moving embassies to Jerusalem is not political it is a RELIGIOUS battle … that has been going on for centuries! FFS!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/16/josh-frydenberg-malaysia-mahathir-mohamad-antisemitic-comments

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2018 1:01 pm

    … committed labour man.

    Please explain?

  132. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2018 1:45 pm

    The ignorance of our politicians is never ending

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2018 7:45 pm

    Intriguing

    RefugeesBrian Bilston

    They have no need of our help
    So do not tell me
    These haggard faces could belong to you or me
    Should life have dealt a different hand
    We need to see them for who they really are
    Chancers and scroungers
    Layabouts and loungers
    With bombs up their sleeves
    Cut-throats and thieves
    They are not
    Welcome here
    We should make them
    Go back to where they came from
    They cannot
    Share our food
    Share our homes
    Share our countries
    Instead let us
    Build a wall to keep them out
    It is not okay to say
    These are people just like us
    A place should only belong to those who are born there
    Do not be so stupid to think that
    The world can be looked at another way

    (now read from bottom to top)

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2018 9:01 pm

    Has Neel been banned here too?

    just jokin’ …

    I guess the write ring have a few “problems” … 🙂

    bubble hubble bubble whOOO

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2018 9:14 pm

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/11/china-creates-artificial-sun-that-s-six-times-hotter-than-the-real-thing.html

    Free energy forever … maybe the Command System is the way forward … if you’re not a Happy Clappy or Virgin Dreamer? Headed for End of Days …

    Associate Professor Matthew Hole from the Australian National University told ABC News about the achievement and its significance.

    “The benefit is simple in that it is a very large-scale base load continuous energy production, with zero greenhouse gas emissions and no long-life radioactive waste,” he explained.

    The research team responsible for EAST say it achieved this milestone through the use of various new techniques in heating and controlling the plasma, but were only able to maintain the record temperature for about 10 seconds.

    Dr Hole also adds that the nuclear fusion reactors avoid the risks associated with the current nuclear fission reactors, which can be adapted into dangerous weapons and are prone to possible meltdowns with disastrous outcomes.

    My BOLD …

    That must be a pain for the Muslim, Christian and Jewish nuclear nations … Imagine that …

  136. November 16, 2018 9:24 pm

    I could relate a personal anecdote regarding Doug Cameron, which (in my opinion is reflective of his character) I don’t regard him as having one.

    Good for you.

    From what I’ve seen, I’ll side with Doug.

    Thanks all the same…

  137. Fish permalink
    November 17, 2018 1:02 am

    Good to see the Jew haters expressing themselves. It seems that one of the posters here woulda have looked good in an SS uniform.

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2018 10:54 am

    Of course you’d side with Doug, another Scottish rabble rouser.

  139. November 17, 2018 12:16 pm

    Aye, and dinnae you forget it!

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2018 1:46 pm

    All the good union leaders come from Scotland, Ireland or the North of England … that’s a given, surely?

  141. November 17, 2018 5:32 pm

    “Good to see the Jew haters expressing themselves. It seems that one of the posters here woulda have looked good in an SS uniform.”

    Don’t be coy…precisely whom are you (wrongly) smearing as ‘Jew haters’?

    If you’re a lurker, you are a very short term voyeur.

  142. November 17, 2018 5:33 pm

    Albert Fish?

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2018 7:46 pm

    fish – aptly named methinks, toylet … 🙂

    Bugger just saw “don’t be coy” … very subtle! LOL!

  144. November 18, 2018 9:37 am

    CARP!

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2018 9:52 am

    Pretty good line tho’ …

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2018 10:40 am

    Well… I’m staying at a hotel where there is a strike !! Currently
    the protesters are chanting for free drinks for the guests!!

    Australian strikers have a lot to learn about public relations…

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2018 10:59 am

    … protesters are chanting for free drinks for the guests!

    And you have a problem with that?!

    Question is what’s the background to the strike (BTW its not fun!)

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2018 10:59 am

    Yes I definately prefer the chant about “free drinks for guests” to the one about “wadda we wannnn !!!!”

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2018 7:25 pm

    I see Pamela Anderson has suggested Scott Morrison is smutty because he said some of his mates wanted to be special envoy to sort out her requests re Julian Assange.

    This is from a woman who has made her career out of fake boobs, fake blonde, and skimpy bikinis?

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2018 7:27 pm

    This is from a woman who has made her career out of fake boobs, fake blonde, and skimpy bikinis?

    Mmmm … Toni Abbott … 🙂

  151. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2018 9:43 am

    This is from a woman who has made her career out of fake boobs, fake blonde, and skimpy bikinis?

    And from a man who thinks he’s a moralistic xtian

    “I’ve lived in filth, I’ve lived in sin
    But I still smell cleaner than the shit yor in”

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2018 9:52 am

    We all know that Morrison is a dork!

    It’s embarrassing to have Morrison, Abbott and Gillard among our recent PMs

  153. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2018 9:54 am

    you forgot howard, rudd and …. the last guy?

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2018 11:29 am

    I think Rudd and Turnbull were up to the job. Howard was probably competent , but mean spirited.

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2018 11:47 am

    Howard was probably competent , but mean spirited.

    Actually he was incompetent AND mean spirited …

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/howard-buggered-up-the-economy-20071025-ge64q9.html

    Some of us were there at the time …

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2018 12:23 pm

    That’s exactly why I don’t debate links TB.

  157. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2018 12:39 pm

    That’s exactly why I don’t debate links TB.

    cos, you know. Facts

    They destroy “The Vibe”

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2018 2:15 pm

    No… TB posts an article by Bob Hawke, and I have great admiration for him, but I think TB should be capable of making the points in his own words

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2018 4:57 pm

    I think TB should be capable of making the points in his own words

    Thanks, ToM, I must try that … ?

    Straight from the heart … no proof … no evidence …

    Here we go …

    John Howard was the worst fucking Treasurer in Australia’s history … he left the post in a fucking shambles … and all us plebs paying for the disaster …

    I reckon that sums it up … BTW, Bob Hawke agrees with me …

    Shakes head …

  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2018 5:02 pm

    Very articulate and laden wth facts!

  161. November 20, 2018 12:28 am

    I’m enjoying the bi-play!

  162. November 20, 2018 12:29 am

    Has anyone here ever been to Punta Arenas?

    Going to be there for three nights in early March. Any suggestions?

  163. Enemy`of`the`People`Teabag permalink
    November 20, 2018 1:12 am

    Folks. Laugh of the week has to be pauline making the teabags extend `opt`out to Jan2019 for myDudHealthPrivacyInvasionRecord. (is anybody here still in dudRecord? my family bailed out pretty much on the week dudRecord was launched)

    ____

    Teamcheerer, l agree with my former abcTechNerd; over at my abc they had a congaLine of reality deniers, teabag stooges and weak or foolish slotted into the positions of power within my abc over the years. Outgunned guthrie and talkbulls ozemail pal are only the latest of zombies wandering the halls trying to bite and infect nonZombie staff.

    ____

    Dunny, you`re spending to much time snorting the skyfairy dust at the boltbog, and mistaking idiotic for ” intelligent, lucid, nuanced “. Screaming about a byproduct of tunc employers is always idiotic, while willfully blind to the root cause.

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 20, 2018 9:42 am

    John Howard was the worst fucking Treasurer in Australia’s history … he left the post in a fucking shambles

    Typical lies and deceit from TB. There was a nasty worldwide recession when Howard was Treasurer. The economic numbers in the USA were identical. The USA also had double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates

    Fraser/Howard handed Hawke, govt debt at 7% of GDP. Hawke/keating increased that to 18% of GDP and we lost our AAA credit rating under Hawke.

    Talking about unemployment there were only a few months of double digit unemployment when Howard was Treasurer. During Keatings recession we had to have we had more than 2 years of double digit unemployment. Nothing like it since the Great Depression

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2018 11:38 am

    I haven’t been that far south HD, but I’ve no doubt the trip will be sensational!

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2018 12:26 pm

    Nor me, toylet, Santiago’s my limit … bet its fkn cold tho’ … learn a few Spanish words ’cause the Chileans don’t generally speak Englese …

    I agree with ToM (unusual I know) should be great trip …

    Bloody hell! It will be fkn cold, I just had a quick research (don’t let ToM know) of the place – hop, skip, and 1200km to Antarctica!

  167. Don`t`Gag`Teabag permalink
    November 20, 2018 4:12 pm

    We know exactly how far `south` corporate fluffers go!

  168. Will`it`Float`Teabag permalink
    November 20, 2018 5:04 pm

    That boatie poem, top to bottom, bottom to top is brilliant teebz. Have you noticed the clowntown soft cocks are trying to blame boaties for jonestown and boltsville being `full` and traffic crawling and housing shortage; and not fed and state/s gutting selves and services and infrastructure. Does this stuff make it into the bananatown fakenews outlets?

  169. Planet`of`the`Teabags permalink
    November 20, 2018 7:09 pm

    Hey teamcheerer, sallyMc performed well on tehDrum tonight, worth catching iview if you missed it.

    ____

    Well folks, we all know that teabags love growth, so l will give you the heads up that sometime this month the planet will have gained another 0.1-bill primates to total 7.7-bill primates. (my calculation)

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2018 7:37 pm

    Time to …

    DUMP TRUMP!

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2018 7:40 pm

    That boatie poem, top to bottom, bottom to top is brilliant teebz.

    Thought the same, tbagz, came from my daughter … and why I put it up here … no-one else here commented … that surprised me a bit …

    Does this stuff make it into the bananatown fakenews outlets?

    Please explain?

  172. November 20, 2018 8:04 pm

    Youse are talking about unions. I’ll come back.

  173. Tewwa`Wades`Teabag permalink
    November 20, 2018 8:27 pm

    Does this stuff make it into the bananatown fakenews outlets? the clowntown soft cocks are trying to blame boaties for jonestown and boltsville being `full` and traffic crawling and housing shortage; and not fed and state/s gutting selves and services and infrastructure. Does this stuff make it into the bananatown fakenews outlets?

    (meaning, surely this echo chamber crap coming out of the jumped up south east paddocks doesn`t play well in the rest of the nation)

    ____

    Hi tinfoil`osy

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2018 8:35 pm

    Youse are talking about unions. I’ll come back.

    LOL! G’day Tosy!

    Here ya go …

    https://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/employers-in-lastditch-challenge-to-cfmmeu-merger-20180724-h132kk

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2018 8:42 pm

    … doesn`t play well in the rest of the nation

    At the moment, tbagz, Brisbane is “flying” .. the Liberal Council under Quirk is doing well in my opinion … unfortunately, personally for us the city is now “on our doorstep” but that comes with better roads, and particularly better facilities for kids a new pool a new BMX track and a new sports complex approved … great for the local kids (noise and really lights are a pain for me – but I see the benefits and happy to see the kids enjoying) …

    Having said that infrastructure does need upgrading on the foreshore and parks areas … but we can use them during the week (if these fkn domestic projects disappear! 🙂 )

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2018 7:41 am

    Youse are talking about unions. I’ll come back.

    Yes, it’s unusual. TB and Tom R just won’t drop the subject. But here… we still have union protesters chanting “free drinks for guests”

    I even made a donation to their fund raising in appreciation of that!!

  177. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    November 21, 2018 10:03 am

    Yeah sure numb nads, `they` derail every thread with daOnions crap.

    ____

    A dead sperm whale that washed ashore in a national park in Indonesia had nearly 6kg (13 lbs) of plastic waste in its stomach, park officials say.

    Items found included 115 drinking cups, four plastic bottles, 25 plastic bags and two flip-flops.

    The carcass of the 9.5m (31ft) mammal was found in waters near Kapota Island in the Wakatobi National Park late on Monday.

    It was not possible to say whether the plastic had caused the whale’s death because of its advanced state of decay

    Hard plastic (19 pieces, 140g), plastic bottles (4 pieces, 150g), plastic bags (25 pieces, 260g), flip-flops (2 pieces, 270g), pieces of string (3.26kg) & plastic cups (115 pieces, 750g).

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46275742

    ____

    The agency at the centre of a controversial decentralisation scheme spearheaded by former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce has convinced just eight of 170 staff to move from Canberra to Armidale.

    (A staff survey in February found up to 80 staff are expected to leave the agency rather than move to Armidale)

    Australia’s chemical regulator, the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA), said a further 14 staff are “considering” a move, two years after it was formally announced by the Coalition Government.

    “The risk associated with loss of staff are patently obvious,” the agency’s chief executive officer Chris Parker told a Senate hearing on Tuesday.

    “The relocation to Armidale has disrupted our operations and the departure of staff has impacted our productivity and brought many underlying historical faults to the surface.

    “The relocation is a challenge and there are risks we continue to manage.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-11-20/chemical-regulator-staff-refuse-to-go-bush-senate-hears/10515406

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2018 10:13 am

    I even made a donation to their fund raising in appreciation of that!!

    And I bet you’ve seen the pigs flying around the hotel too, ToM … 🙂

  179. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 21, 2018 12:52 pm

    The CBA an unmitigated privatisation disaster. The RC needs to go back to the CEO of the Bank when it was first privatised to examine the forced change in culture upon honest and decent staff. Who were constantly trained BEFORE privatisation to put the interests of customers first. This then became put the interests of shareholders first. Bonuses based on profit and sales became the norm, for all segments of the bank, this created a greed and smoke and mirrors culture. Staff massaged out of the bank for not having the right culture in the newly privatised CBA.

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2018 1:56 pm

    No flying pigs TB, but the protesting and strike seems quite orderly . So I don’t have a problem with it

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2018 3:16 pm

    put the interests of customers first. This then became put the interests of shareholders first

    And oddly enough, Shane, if you put customers first – the shareholders to better! (Its often referred to turnover in other businesses)

    My own business mantra was – “Service the client and the dollars will folla …” proved it many times …

    I have a family member who works at the front of a bank branch her KPI’s and Performance Review are all about “selling” she just wants to provide “service”!

    Took a long time for the auto industry to realise the importance of excellent service to sales retention and extension … people returning for new cars and telling family and friends to buy!

    Shimples!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … the protesting and strike seems quite orderly

    Like most strikes then, ToM … actually you sound surprised … y’know wif all yer union background an’ all.

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2018 4:13 pm

    Strikes in Aust seem to gain political and media attention far more quickly.

    And really TB, given the naivety of some of your comments I sometimes wonder whether you quite have the depth of experience you claim.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2018 4:39 pm

    Aw, insults … I claim nothing … I just am …

    Strikes in Aust seem to gain political and media attention far more quickly.

    And which political party would be responsible for that?

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2018 6:37 pm

    You should know TB, that because unions ARE the ALP, there will be a political element.

    Whereas in most other countries, there is far less politicization of disputes, and industrial relations.

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2018 7:07 pm

    And you should Know ToM that because the LNP IS farming business and big business there will be a political element trying to control IR …

    far less politicization of disputes, and industrial relations. Name ’em …

    Call me naive? 🙂

  186. November 22, 2018 12:39 am

    “Dunny, you`re spending to much time snorting the skyfairy dust at the boltbog”

    I would beg to differ.

    And I ALWAYS recognise idiotic when I read it (most boltian enthusiasts, but not all).

    I wouldn’t piss on skyfairy dust/excrement/adherence/claims/firmament etc. I could piss upon skyfairy publications just as easily as I’d expel my bladder upon the flag/tablecloth.

    You have me confused with someone else.

  187. November 22, 2018 12:39 am

    Hat tip, ToSY.

  188. November 22, 2018 12:42 am

    “I haven’t been that far south HD, but I’ve no doubt the trip will be sensational!”

    I suspect you know where I’m going, YomM. The expedition vessel I am going on only takes 54 passengers; not a cruise!

    Experience of a lifetime, I’m thinking. Drake Passage looks exhilarating; hoping for insane weather & massive seas!

  189. November 22, 2018 12:46 am

    “Nor me, toylet, Santiago’s my limit”

    Adelaide>Sydney>Santiago>Punta Arenas>may as well be on the fucking Moon.

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2018 7:27 am

    I love those types of trips HD. Exhilarating!

    Although these days my criteria is –
    * Is alcohol accessible
    * Local cuisine and coffee
    * Is it on the coast

    On this basis there are a number of places that I won’t be visiting!

  191. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2018 10:49 am

    Whereas in most other countries, there is far less politicization of disputes, and industrial relations.

    ROFL

    Pray tell?

    Strikes in Aust seem to gain political and media attention far more quickly.

    No shit. That’s because our media is controlled by moguls, who want to maximise their profits, and that usually comes at the expense of their workers.

    we still have union protesters chanting “free drinks for guests”

    It kind of highlights your attitude. You’re happy to support the workers (allegedly) only if YOU profit from it. But if they are chanting “More pay for us”, you don’t give a shit.

  192. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2018 10:51 am

    Experience of a lifetime, I’m thinking. Drake Passage looks exhilarating; hoping for insane weather & massive seas!

    Hoping you have a great time toylet. I had to google where it was. A rather unique destinaton.

    Adelaide>Sydney>Santiago>Punta Arenas>may as well be on the fucking Moon.

    Alas, for us, the other side of town is the fucking moon 😦

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 11:33 am

    Although these days my criteria is –
    * Is alcohol accessible
    * Local cuisine and coffee
    * Is it on the coast

    * No unions

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pray tell?

    Still waiting for ToM to “name ’em” TR!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Make sure you wear clean undies, toylet, in case you sink!

    Enjoy, Cobber! Sounds – different … I’ll stick to houseboats, methinks!

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2018 11:41 am

    It seems the nain sticking point is – the company is offering USD $23/hour , the union wants $25.
    So I wouldn’t presume to take a position, I have no idea of settlements or labour rates here, or in this industry. But no doubt TB and Tom R will advise, being experts.

  195. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2018 12:14 pm

    I even made a donation to their fund raising in appreciation of that!!

    “So I wouldn’t presume to take a position”

    😯

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 12:53 pm

    still waiting for “name ’em” …

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2018 3:01 pm

    Yes, here the strike is orderly, people protest, chant, hold banners.

    There’s no picket line, no obstruction and no abuse. Officials lead a march along the beach, stop for 5 minutes, explain their position and move on. The people that are working aren’t abused or threatened.

    The dispute is orderly, mature and will allow people to re-establish working relationships without acrimony.

    So I’m quite happy to kick into their fund.

  198. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2018 3:25 pm

    but you wouldn’t presume to take a position, ………right? lol

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2018 3:32 pm

    The process and dispute seems less acrimonious than in Australia.

    Those working are criticised but not abused, it isn’t personal. There is no harassment. The workers are trying to financially hurt the employer, but not destroy relationships in the process.

    It’s interesting and there’s a maturity in the way people conduct themselves.

  200. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2018 3:54 pm

    The process and dispute seems less acrimonious than in Australia

    seems hey

    Although, if you had followed #turc at all, you would have heard builders declaring how they deliberately create volatile situations, where they then use their #mediamates to portray the Unions as the bad gys

    Not that Unions have clean skins, but, if the people you are trying to dialogue with will not do so fairly, you don’t have many choices left.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 4:02 pm

    Although these days my criteria is –

    I think you meant … “criteria are” …

    Any countries for me yet?

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2018 4:17 pm

    Suprisingly I seen some behaviour during disputes. Harassment and abuse are the tools of trade.

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 5:53 pm

    Fucking UNIONS! Oh! Wait!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/22/more-than-1m-in-lost-wages-recovered-for-2500-fruit-farm-workers

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Suprisingly I seen some behaviour during disputes. Harassment and abuse are the tools of trade.

    Chuckle … mmm item 1. on the list of criteria?

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2018 6:11 pm

    That’s interesting TB.

    1. There is no mention that unions got any money for those workers. It was the Fairwork Ombudsmen
    2. Sally McManus wants stronger regulation on this issue. I suppose she’s wrong too

  205. November 22, 2018 6:32 pm

    Fuck me, ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT FUCKING UNIONS.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2018 6:51 pm

    YEAH!! TB and Tom R just bang on about it endlessly

  207. Gulag`Time`Teabag permalink
    November 22, 2018 7:15 pm

    Shane, it will get interesting after the royalComm to see if state/s ccc or icac plod actually have the nads to convict any of these tuncs from the banks.

  208. Gulag`Time`Teabag permalink
    November 22, 2018 7:18 pm

    Hear Hear! @reb

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 7:42 pm

    That’s interesting TB.

    And you call me naive!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fuck me, ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT FUCKING UNIONS.

    No thanks, sreb!

    TR AND I are simply pointing the error of ToM’s one sided witch hunt … his poor grammar and his constant ignoring valid questions to his unsupported self opinionated claims …

    And you wander into this intellectual forum and start making lewd offers and shouting … not to mention the included foul language that we commenters do not condone (am I right fellow commenters?) its no wonder MeToo advocates ignore TGT!

    DUMP TRUMP!

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 7:48 pm

    AW shyte do you shtill own thish playshe … shilly me … I shound like ToM … hehe …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    <I. … to see if state/s ccc or icac plod actually have the nads …

    Only if they replace the current crop of plod actually have the nads … and I’m betting on a Recommendation to replace current Boys & Girls Bankers Club!

    DUMP TRUMP!

  211. Not`da`Saudis`Teabag permalink
    November 22, 2018 8:19 pm

    hate ” filled POTUS ever who has derided ”

    Really shane? lt seems like echoChamber stuff to me. The dems and legacy outlets have dug their own respective holes they find themselves in. Just take a look at the saudi embassy murder. lt seems theRonald has been cool, calm and very straight forward. Basically said ‘ not going to smoke billions of dollars trade with saudi, that will only benefit china or russia, america first, maga, etc

    Compared to; 15 of-19 plane jackers were saudi, yet we (Aust and britannia) goose stepped along with george-w to have our mostly male military mass murder iraq citizens (many women) and the mass murder spillover into syria under obama dems; mostly the same dems that backed george-w invading iraq (except obama) and didn`t pursue punishment or even investigation of invasion.

    When you say `hate filled prez` you really need to strip away all recent history context.

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 8:40 pm

    This dickhead of a President is slowly but surely causing a world war (and destroying the world economy)* … he is a puppet of Vladimir … Vladimir is a mate of Xi Ping …

    The Right Wing has never had so much power …

    * That means your job (if you have one?) and any means of surviving a corporate nuclear holocaust – ’cause that’s where we are heading … and BTW Trump is not a fkn comedian … he is fkn dangerous …

    Laugh at your own risk … but NOT MY family’s …

    DUMP TRUMP NOW!

  213. Show`Time`Teabag permalink
    November 22, 2018 9:10 pm

    Echo chamber stuff teebz. The total collapse and failure of ballot box and political duopoly`s among huge amounts of citizens are the root cause of brexit, pauline and theRonald and others. You should know from history that citizens will only take so much crap from their tyrants before they storm the Basteille and put heads on pikes. You should know by now l also don`t subscribe to frighteners peddled by the legacy outlets and their echo chambers. Much prefer to observe, analyze, think for self, than blindly follow fakenews outlets that DID manage to be wrong seventeen times straight. lt was quite a show.

  214. Maybe`He`Did`Teabag permalink
    November 22, 2018 10:04 pm

    That “ means your job

    Oh FFS teebz, are you referring to the 42ish dropping to 6ish% of value adding, better paying jobs lost in Aust and mostly workers doing everything they were told to in Aust manufacturing. Or the yankee rustbelt. Both of which existed before theRonald came to town.

    and “ destroying the world economy

    Which was `working` for who exactly? Not the rustbelters, and not the Aust manufacturing workers. Just china and our dudLeaders parriscite mates. Go back and check on various deals, trades with china, anything that has a value add to it means china wins, and we lose. All we can sell is raw produce and our glorified dirt deliver service.

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 10:53 pm

    Wotever, tebagz … ignorance has always been bliss … until the first shot is fired …

    You have your echo chamber – I have mine …

    I heard the same “sentiments” when a gentleman named John McPhilbin and I suggested the world markets were about to nose-dive …

    All I’m suggesting is – be prepared … its not a comedy show … or ..

    DUMP TRUMP NOW!

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 10:54 pm

    All we can sell is raw produce and our glorified dirt deliver service.

    And that really demonstrates a limited understanding of the country you live in.

  217. November 23, 2018 12:37 am

    “Alas, for us, the other side of town is the fucking moon”

    It would be for me too, TomR.

    I am only going because it’s on Dad’s bucket list & he married a woman who was a farmer’s wife, then Nurse, then (@40) got into & through Medicine & became a GP…and here’s the catch…she can’t go, so I got the request. Would be supremely stupid to turn it down methinks.

    My daughter has an interview for Medicine at Adelaide Uni on Monday. If she gets in (if she doesn’t get into Medicine, she’ll be at Adelaide Uni doing similar she’s already accepted…so, GONE…I will miss her), I’ll be moving her, then a few days later, leaving the country to Antarctica. Spare a thought for her Mum; we’ve not had an empty nest since 2000ish & I’ll be absent too. I almost feel guilty for going!

  218. November 23, 2018 12:42 am

    “Make sure you wear clean undies, toylet, in case you sink!”

    My Sea-legs are pretty good TB.

    I see it as a privileged opportunity to visit a part of the world, in rather intimate circumstances, that most of humanity will never see, let alone (little lone…I will never forget the rubbish of that self important flog) set foot upon. The Zodiacs go ashore two to three times a day; should be amazing.

    The videos I’ve watched of B I G ships crossing that piece of water are illuminating. I could be riding every wave.

  219. November 23, 2018 12:47 am

    I probably shouldn’t say so, YomM, but we are in dispute (again).

    I wish I could say more.

    Many threads converging.

    Maybe, go and google the behaviour of certain global, US based paper companies since Trump’s tax largesse for Big Business. It’s been extortionate, similar & psychologically reticent across the globe since Jan 2018.

  220. On`With`The`Show`Teabag permalink
    November 23, 2018 7:12 am

    This; ” DUMP TRUMP NOW! ” ; is very echo chamber teebz, but you`re entitled to be warm and cozy inside your chamber enjoying the reverberations that please you. (even if theRonald has successfully rustled the various herds of imbecile that make up ‘da-base’ and successfully hijacked team repug with highly likely return as prez at next fedVote)

    ____

    Enjoy your snow trip dunny, take photos, it may not be there too much longer.

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2018 7:47 am

    since Trump’s tax largesse for Big Business.

    One of the points the union here is making is that the company got huge tax cuts and won’t share the benefit with their workers.

    As I said it’s interesting to observe an orderly and articulate union

  222. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2018 8:21 am

    I almost feel guilty for going!

    It’s a hard feeling to overcome, but I’m sure she’d be upset if your feelings of guilt put a damper on your enjoyment.

    It’s therefore imperative that you enjoy yourself for her “Piece Of Mind”

    And best of luck to your daughter. A big change for all. But, who knows, she may even return to the area a fully qualified nurse.

  223. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2018 8:37 am

    Yes yomm, Australian Unions should just orderly and articulately take it up the ….. when the grubmint and their corporate mates screw workers down with outright unmanageable laws

    #ChangeTheRules

  224. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2018 9:06 am

    More UNION stuff reb 😉

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2018 10:34 am

    My daughter has an interview for Medicine at Adelaide Uni on Monday.

    Best of luck to your young lady, toylet (although I’m suspecting she doesn’t need any!) 🙂

    And congratulations to you and her Mum!

    Spare a thought for her Mum; we’ve not had an empty nest since 2000ish & I’ll be absent too. I almost feel guilty for going!

    We understand this feeling only too well in this household … The Minister is feeling “lost” as our youngest g/son becomes a senior in high school … he the last of five … and of course two kids one married at 19 the other in the ADF at 17 … then the g/kids started popping out … very glad I retired in 2005 and could share in their upbringing … we rarely see them these days everyone is “busy” …

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2018 10:35 am

    Industrial relations is highly politicised in Australia.

    There is no reason that the media is more partisan than in the US, or workers more militant, or businesses more aggressive.

    I put it down to unions forming half of a political party essentially a controlling interest. That provides a clear political focus on IR.

  227. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2018 10:50 am

    Industrial relations is highly politicised in Australia.

    I wonder why?

    “Kelly O’Dwyer to run roughshod over the rights of working people”

    There is no reason that the media is more partisan than in the US

    We have one of the least diferse media landscapes in the world, dominated by murdoch

    Channel 7 and 9 are now owned by liberal associated entities

    I put it down to unions forming half of a political party

    Whilst continuing to ignore the above

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2018 11:11 am

    Really?

    The Liberals and ALP will always attack each other. That’s what political parties do, that means that the Lberals will attack the unions that make up the ALP, and the politicised unions will attack the Liberals.

    That’s politics , but it need not be like that.

  229. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2018 11:34 am

    that means that the Lberals will attack the unions

    But she’s not “attacking” a union.

    She is attacking a worker who is being supported by a Union.

    Or, is all fair………….

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2018 11:46 am

    I put it down to unions forming half of a political party

    And I put it down to Australians being more pragmatic than the USofA Dream (actually a nightmare myth) that everyone can be a millionaire …

    This obsession with splitting unions from the Labor Party is just LNP propaganda and nothing new its being going on for centuries … literally!

    Who do you think formed the Liberal Party … nurses and motor mechanics? Or business owners and farmers? Private school graduates, or primary school drop outs? … officers and gentlemen, or Diggers and sergeants …?

    Who do you think funds the LNP? Now that the multi-millionaire is counting his money in the Cayman’s … and even the business world is turning on the LNP … except Mining & Resources, I see …

    Naive?

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2018 11:49 am

    Great, a debate via an ACTU press release! How original and such a demonstration of independent analysis.

  232. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2018 12:10 pm

    a debate via an ACTU press release!

    lol yomm, it’s called letting you know what’s going on in the real world.

    So when you make dumb ass statements like “it’s simply the libs attacking Labor”, I can easily show, it’s quite demonstrably not 😉

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2018 1:30 pm

    TB, you don’t get the difference between owning and support in

    Is that wilful or obtuse?

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2018 1:31 pm

    “supporting”

  235. November 23, 2018 4:47 pm

    “And you wander into this intellectual forum and start making lewd offers and shouting …”

    “” intellectual forum “” ?? 😯 😯 😯

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2018 5:53 pm

    I was talking about ToM … he tries so hard … or is that so trying?

    You looked pissed, sreb? Is that Wild Turkey?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TB, you don’t get the difference between owning and support in …

    Course I do! Big business and big media owns the LNP and the unions support workers …

    See! Easy! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  237. Ware`is`My`Teabag permalink
    November 23, 2018 6:05 pm

    Corporate farms own the teabumpkins; corporate coal owns the teabags; daOnions own teabagLite; the majority of voters are centerists; and ALL the teams are fcuking miles away from voters needs.

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2018 7:28 pm

    Yep! tbagz …

    But the Greenz (to coin yer frase) couldn’t run a greengrocers … the Liberals are just profiteers (and couldn’t run a fish and chip shop – they dumped Pawleen and my local member voted 25 times against a RC into the Finance & Banking Robbery Dept.) .. . independents are pretty powerless unless a minority govt (but I like a lot of ’em) … Labor has legacies to deal with BUT they do have renewable credentials … and the unions are on side (ToM said so!) …

    So who ya gonna call … POLLBUSTERS!

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2018 7:29 pm

    Have you ever noticed that the Young Liberals are always in the news for the wrong reasons? Is there a Young Labor?

  240. November 24, 2018 12:02 am

    ” But, who knows, she may even return to the area a fully qualified nurse.”

    A fully qualified GP, hopefully; the interview is for Medicine.

    And yes, we are screaming for Doctors down here as it’s very hard to retain them. I’m pretty sure she’ll be coming back.

  241. November 24, 2018 12:03 am

    “Enjoy your snow trip dunny, take photos, it may not be there too much longer.”

    Indeed!

    And thank you.

  242. November 24, 2018 12:04 am

    #ChangeTheRules

    Amen…

  243. November 24, 2018 12:15 am

    “we rarely see them these days everyone is “busy”

    Time marches on…too quickly.

    I’d be happy if she never left TB, but that would be me being selfish.

    She’ll make the world better with more experience. She is a good, intelligent person: I am proud. We need more of them out there.

    She’s been reading some of the stuff here since she got old enough to have a social conscience. If you asked her, she’d be familiar with most regulars.
    I told her, these are the sometimes divergent opinions of some clearly informed, balanced & articulate people…and to pay as much attention (maybe even more) to those you don’t agree with as to those whom you do.

    Free thinker.

  244. November 24, 2018 12:19 am

    I can always imagine the parents of ‘Young Liberals’.

    It’s the sad reality of how they get ‘that way’.

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2018 9:56 am

    … and to pay as much attention (maybe even more) to those you don’t agree with as to those whom you do.

    Chuckle … I know where she gets her smarts from … her Mum must be a very clever lady … 🙂

  246. Self`Smoked`Green`Teabags permalink
    November 24, 2018 6:33 pm

    l agree teebz. The jonestown greenz under rhiannon set themselves up as a crimson politburo; superior to other states greenz; and then went about shitting in their own latte belt. Then there has been the staying quiet on about half a dozen sex grubs in jonestown which is utterly stupid considering the greenz are chick heavy team. Unfortunately the greenz jonestown disease has spread to boltsville with a bunch of chicks outing more sex grubs there. l`m starting to think da greenz won`t be making any gains for a while. Hiding sex grubs while publicly pretending they`re a chick friendly team won`t play well across the latte belts.

  247. November 25, 2018 12:41 am

    Onwards, Union Soldiers!

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