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Livid Liberal Party members unite to Expel Malcolm Turnbull

November 21, 2018

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Livid Liberal Party members are pushing to expel Malcolm Turnbull from the party in an extraordinary move sparked by his support of a grass-roots campaign to force Tony Abbott out of parliament.

Earlier this week, the Roseville branch of the Liberal Party voted to boot Turnbull from the party by an overwhelming vote of 16 to two.

According to our exclusive sources, the shock move was triggered after Malcolm Turnbull threw his support behind the ‘Vote Tony Out’ campaign which is gathering momentum to force Tony Abbott out of the seat of Warringah.

In passing the motion, branch sources cited Mr Turnbull’s failure to support the party during the Wentworth by-election, as well as his knifing of Mr Abbott and Brendan Nelson during his time in parliament.

The motion will go before the Liberal Party’s Federal Electorate Conference – and if successful – will move to the party’s state council.

 

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  1. shaneinqld permalink
    November 21, 2018 12:55 pm

    I don’t think Malcolm would care actually.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2018 1:54 pm

    I wonder who will kick in the million to prop up the Libs now that Malcolm won’t

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2018 3:19 pm

    I wonder who will kick in the million to prop up the Libs now that Malcolm won’t

    Because nothing will save the Governor General Liberal party now … oh, the irony of the paraphrase!

    The LNP have been cheating the system for a long time …

  4. Ricky Pannowitz permalink
    November 21, 2018 6:32 pm

    A Delicious shit sandwich best served with a side of Scumo surprise. This ATM delicacy won’t break break the Camans bank.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2018 7:04 pm

    He! He! indeed Ricky P!

    Wot woz that old Frank Ifield song again? LOL!

  6. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2018 7:41 pm

    Malcolm was always in the wrong party. He is smart. I think he would have made a good Treasurer. But he loves himself more than he loves the country.

    He should be a member of the ALP where he really belongs

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2018 8:21 pm

    He is smart. He should be a member of the ALP where he really belongs

    Well not smart enough for the ALP … that’s why he was PM with the Liberal Party …

    But you are getting the hang of it …

    Malfunction TurnAbbott might become the leader of the Cayman Offshore Wealthy Party …

    FFS!

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2018 9:29 pm

    I suspect Turnbull joined the Liberals because he knew with the ALP factional system he could never lead the ALP and therefore become PM. So he joined the Libs.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2018 11:15 pm

    I suspect Turnbull joined the Liberals because he knew with the ALP factional system he could never lead the ALP and therefore become PM. So he joined the Libs.

    And that worked out well for him … hey? Thank goodness there are no factions in the LNP!

    Chortle!

  10. November 22, 2018 12:57 am

    But hey, more praying & gospel studies in schools should send em flocking back to the LNP…Anthony Abbott, man of the people. Incredible reader of the ‘vibe’.

  11. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2018 10:55 am

    Turns out malcayman is just as petty and vindictive as rudd

    I see he’s trying to paint himself as some kind of lefty again. Faark him. I recall the policies he implemented. NONE of htem were progressive. He completely ruined #GONSKI , #NDIS and the #NBN. As far as I can see, they are almost beyond saving now.

    “For many non-government schools, fees are almost icing on the government-funded cake”, says Chris Bonnor, a fellow of the Centre for Policy Development and a former school principal.

    “But they are not taking an equal share or even a significant share of the responsibilities and obligations that alone belong to government schools … They choose, in a sense, [which families] they serve.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-22/counting-the-cost-of-the-education-revolution/10495756

  12. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 22, 2018 1:38 pm

    “He completely ruined #GONSKI , #NDIS and the #NBN. As far as I can see, they are almost beyond saving now.”

    That would only be true if they were up and running, functional and working. That is not true. Labors NBN only had 80,000 connections by 2013. There are 12 million connections in Australia. The NBN Labor started had not even started

    And based on past history it would be a disaster like all/most ALP policies.

    The only thing the ALP is good at is locking up people. Labor locked up 50,000 humans from 2008-2013

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 4:39 pm

    There are 12 million connections in Australia

    Bit like promising everyone a VW and then giving … them a scooter … it might work … but it’s bloody hard work!

    Anyone got a sow’s ear for Malfunction? We could all have silk purses … all we really need is five loaves a few fish … oops, wrong PM …

  14. Wears`the`Cash`Teabag permalink
    November 22, 2018 4:39 pm

    l agree with shane. Talkbull gets to leave his cash in the caymans and teabag panic sets in seeking donors.

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 22, 2018 4:47 pm

    “Bit like promising everyone a VW and then giving … them a scooter”

    The only promises were made by the ALP. In 2007 Rudd promised a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013.

    No wonder you vote ALP. Liars are attracted to liars

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2018 5:56 pm

    So I’ll see you pushing the LNP scooter wheelbarrow … any day soon?

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2018 3:54 pm

    Meanwhile, I’m reading the David Sedaris book- Calypso. Hilarious and incisive.

  18. November 23, 2018 4:44 pm

    For Neil:

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  19. November 23, 2018 4:49 pm

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  20. Know`Future`Teabag permalink
    November 23, 2018 8:59 pm

    like ” promising everyone a VW ”

    Unfortunately in this arsebackward country all we get is yesteryear visions of yesteryear technology at both fed and state/s level. Take a look at my abc peddling the boltsville election. Their dud premier is spending up big on last century rail (don`t know how much) but maybe he will toss in a few more steam engines to improve service. l am pleased to see yomm put the duopoly last on his ballot, he gives me so little opportunity to praise him, but in this case; WELL DONE YOMM!! Sincerely. The same arsebackwardness is inflicted on jonestown too; dudPremier gladys is spending 20-bill on 20-mile of last century light rail tramline; which once up and running will additionally clutter the already well cluttered roads of jonestown. Of course dudpremier gladys is sensitive to voters wishes and keeping running cost down and she has already found `savings` by ensuring the tram cars are horse drawn. No. There will be no dreaming big of electric driverless pods on elevated skyways overhead, uncluttering our largest arsebackward towns. We cannot be first to innovate such an idea, that would put together existing, but new technology.

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2018 11:04 pm

    For Neil:

    Chuckle @ 1. Chortle @ 2.

    As I keep telling The Minister … people eventually catch up …

    Economic managers? Biggest spendthrift government I’ve seen in my lifetime!

  22. November 24, 2018 12:22 am

    I’m finding reb’s links to be hilarious & illuminating.

    Let’s face it, if you’ve had a recent terrorist attack to whip up the reactionary base…and you’re still getting raped in the polls, the day before an election…you may want to re-examine what it is you’re trying to sell; and why it isn’t bought.

  23. November 24, 2018 4:58 pm

    BREAKING: And now we cross live to Scott Morrison who says Matthew Guy’s election defeat was down to State based issues and not a reflection on the Federal Govt…

    The Gutter Trash – bringing you news b4 it actually happens..!

  24. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    November 24, 2018 5:19 pm

    RCR Tomlinson. Not da onions. All boardroom. Big Wreckage.

  25. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 24, 2018 8:47 pm

    “you may want to re-examine what it is you’re trying to sell; and why it isn’t bought”

    OK Toilet please tell me. In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling, we were debt free, the budget was in large surplus, our detention centers were empty and the economy was booming. But Australia voted for Rudd

    ????? “For Neil”

    And Jim Chalmers is very deceitful. We were debt free in 2007. Rudd/Gillard started a runaway debt truck. Spending cuts is the only way to stop increasing debt and get the budget back into surplus but Australia does not want to do that. Anytime spending cuts are tried Labor blocks them in the Senate

  26. November 24, 2018 9:31 pm

    Thank dog common sense has prevailed and Victoria has re-elected the progressive Andrews Government. There’s just no room for race-based fear-mongering in our harmonious multicultural society and today’s result shows that people have simply had enough of the politics of fear and division. This is a big wake up call for the Federal Govt that ordinary people have simply had enough of their unnecessary scare-mongering, We all know that we’re bigger than that. But will they take heed? I doubt it.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2018 11:28 pm

    people have simply had enough of the politics of fear and division.

    Neels love fear and division!

    Gurgle … gurgle!

    Predicted 60 of 88 seats! Go Danny!

    IBut will they take heed? I doubt it.

    I hope not!

  28. November 25, 2018 12:35 am

    Wot reb said @ 9:31pm 24/11/18 !

  29. Know`Rehearsals`Teabag permalink
    November 25, 2018 1:05 am

    l totally enjoyed my abc coverage of boltsvilleVote. l particularly enjoyed it when the terms slaughter, wipeout and bloodbath became the descriptions. Equally enjoying was hearing several top-hat, blue ribbon, wentworth-like areas dumped the teabags. l guess `austerity` just doesn`t sound so appealing these days in boltsville. Now we just have to sit back and wonder IF boltsville will manage to hammer throw blib over the line. The teabag panic will be spectacular and l can confidently predict our viewers will enjoy the show.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2018 3:38 am

    A party that thinks people like Abbott and Dutton are acceptable will never win enough public support.

    Yws, they’re federal, but it is the hateful attitudes that they represent. They are unacceptable in the civilised parts of the country

  31. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 25, 2018 6:40 am

    The size of Daniel Andrews win is a real shock and should have the Feds shitting themselves.
    I think 50 to 75% of the 6% swing can be traced back to the Federal LNP. I also think the massive pre polling votes shows that the majority of voters have now switched off and made up their minds already for the next federal election.
    If Tony Abbott loses his seat or if it comes under serious threat at the next election, that will prove that aussies are not in favour of the following despite what the LNP parrots.

    1) Selling everything off that we used to own and could control
    2) Tax cuts at the top while slashing services a the bottom
    3) Inequality
    4) Fucking around with the ABC
    5) Media control by the RWNJ and Murdoch
    6) Fear mongering in relation to terrorism and trying to wedge society over it
    7) Climate Change is real to most of us and not just latte sipping lefties
    8) That Malcolm Turnbull was much more popular than the troglodytes that ousted him with ideology hard right action under pressure from Reinhart, Murdoch and Co.

    I am looking forward to the excuses and outright lies and deflection from people such as Jeff Kennett, Mark Latham, Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison, Eric Abetz etc etc who will still shut their eyes and ears and open their mouths and simply say it was nothing to do with any of the above things.

    I am so pleased that the Murdoch controlled Media was ignored and actually rebutted by the voters in VIC. Proves that your partisan and determined manipulation of the facts has been rejected.

    The swing by the LNP to Tea Party style politics has been rejected. In VIC at least.

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2018 8:43 am

    “Yws, they’re federal, but it is the hateful attitudes that they represent. They are unacceptable in the civilised parts of the country”

    Hateful? Well then tell me what is a nice attitude? It was Rudd/Gillard and their supporters who locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013. Abbott/Dutton did not lock anybody up. Our detention centers were empty in 2007. Howard had solved the problem. We stop the boats and take our refugees from UNHCR camps

  33. November 25, 2018 9:05 am

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  34. November 25, 2018 9:13 am

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  35. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2018 9:54 am

    A party that thinks people like Abbott and Dutton are acceptable will never win enough public support.

    If only that were true, ToM, they were acceptable just a few years ago. One became a fkn prime minister, the other a wannabe pm and they STILL run the roost in the LNP! TOO MANY people supported them (and many still do) … let’s hope the experiment at becoming an arsehole country is fading … I somehow doubt it (they) will ever go away.

    I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2018 10:09 am

    The Victorian Election Defeat is BIG news everywhere but here …

    https://www.news.com.au/

    How telling is that!

  37. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2018 10:48 am

    I still prefer to live in a society rather than feed the greed in an LNP economy!

    I prefer to live in a society without the greed, lies and deceit of the ALP and its supporters. How much free stuff did Dan Andrews promise?

    And you need people like Abbot and Dutton. labor will never make the tough decisions to defend our borders and to make spending cuts to bring the budget back into surplus

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2018 11:34 am

    Abbott and Dutton are arseholes and we don’t need arseholes governing us.

    I see there are a couple of funds around to support the ousting of Abbott, I’ll happily donate to them. If there is one for Dutton, I kick in for that too.

    Those people aren’t inclined to make “tough” decisions, only bigoted ones

  39. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2018 11:46 am

    Tom

    I suspect you might say that for anyone that makes a hard decision. Arseholes? Why? They secured our borders and stopped locking up children.

    For me I would say people who locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013 are arseholes. That means YOU and anyone who voted for Rudd/Gillard/Swan

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2018 11:58 am

    No, I’m entirely fine with tough economic decisions, but Dutton and Abbott are divisive bigots, looking to. Mske political capital out of bigotry

    Abbott is a goose, and so is Dutton.

    My main question is – are they geese or gooses? I don’t know the correct grammar for a multiple of political goose

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2018 12:11 pm

    At the moment I look at Abbot and Dutton as people who make hard decisions which a lot of people do not like. Labor people do not believe in borders

    Regarding hard economic decisions we need a 5%-10% cut in govt spending to get the budget back into surplus. There is no other way. But Australia does not want to do that

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2018 12:23 pm

    There is no other way

    Ignorance is bliss … or stupidity is blind …

    god bless america … and thank god i don’t live there …

    there is always a way!

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2018 12:34 pm

    I bet Bolt is pleased with the electoral success now that Turnbull is out!

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2018 12:37 pm

    OK TB how can we get the budget back into surplus without govt spending cuts?

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2018 12:42 pm

    I think Chris Bowen is an intelligent and competent shadow treasurer, he is quite careful to detail expenditure and revenue measures.

    The problem with the ALP is that he’s shadow treasurer rather than leader, and Shorten is a duplicitous arsehole

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2018 4:03 pm

    OK TB how can we get the budget back into surplus without govt spending cuts?

    Do some research you’ve already been told here at TGT many times … you prefer to waffle LNP propaganda … don’t waste my time …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think Chris Bowen is an intelligent and competent shadow treasurer

    I agree, I also believe the Shadow Ministry to be more intelligent and competent than the government front bench.

    However I see the ToM UnionTaint when it comes to Bill Shorten … what we need is someone who listens to people around the country (not “think” for them) and how that relates to the world … someone who knows how to negotiate on Australia’s behalf with local and overseas neighbours, enemies and friends … bit like a union leader with an extensive background in gaining a fair deal for his constituents, hey?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The landslide win in Victoria actually disturbs me for a few related reasons …

    1. The political pendulum has swung way too far left and it will be difficult for an Opposition to gain ground.

    2. I’d be pretty sure that some very good Liberal representatives have been “thrown out with the LNP bathwater”

    3. And with both of the above … debate in the Victorian parliament will be limited to say the least … bills need to be robustly debated before being passed into statute.

    4. It may just have a deleterious affect on the Federal Election (for Labor) if swinging/ex-liberal voters expect a big swing they may attempt to soften it and thus swing the result the wrong way.

    5. The Victorian result may just rally members of the LNP and supporters … when they realise that the extreme right wing of their party is causing them so much damage and decide on their own Operation Hummingbird within the Party!

    6. And I’ve always been wary of political landslide victories – way to easy for Groupthink to fester in the ranks …

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2018 4:14 pm

    TB

    I have done some research. Spending cuts is the only way to get the budget back into surplus

    There is no other way

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2018 4:30 pm

    No… Shorten is not the person to do that. He’s a little turd.

    Howard was called an unflushable turd, Shorten seems to share that characteristic

  49. Count`to`60`Teabag permalink
    November 25, 2018 5:59 pm

    the correct grammar for a multiple of political goose? TeamGaggle? (-: You seem to be agreeing with me on rabbit and duttoZombie now`a days. The most fun will be watching the odwyer critter, andrewsZombie and other feds that are from boltsville, the teabag panic must be gushing down their leg by now.

    _____

    2gb and Limitednews, ha,ha,ha their irrelevance has landed. And my abc24 has said our coldwar geriatric teabag jim molan has abdicated appearing on tomorrows qandaland.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2018 6:28 pm

    I also believe the Shadow Ministry to be more intelligent and competent than the government front bench.

    You’re welcome to “believe” whatever you want TB

    I don’t think there’s much in the way of intelligence on either front bench, and certainly (I believe) the ALP’s is remarkably dull

  51. Know`Certainty`Teabag permalink
    November 25, 2018 7:38 pm

    4. “ It may just have a deleterious affect

    While l don`t rule out boltsville may hammer throw blib over the line at next fedVote, l wouldn`t treat it as a sure thing either. l expect the next jonestownVote to somewhat mimic yesterdays boltsvilleVote bloodbath. After the clowntown talkbull knifing muppet show; wentworth teabag voters and boltsville teabag voters have now dealt out their punishment to team teabag; with jonestown teabag voters punishment still to come. Once this punishment is dealt out to team teabag; the teabagLite and greenz teams will remain `Warringah-ed`, padlocked out of the usual amount seats due to their own toxic policy`s in the two largest seat states; and allow the slomo zombies to trudge over the line in clowntown.

  52. Drain`it`now`Teabag permalink
    November 26, 2018 7:50 am

    Over at my ABglee everybody seem so cheerful on `national-wrap`, insiderp and breakfast claptrap when reporting on boltsvilleVote. They all seem very distressed pointing out to both state and fed teabags that there may have been a muppet-show effect in the results. They also seem to show a clip of premierDan saying (`don`t promise voters no cuts to this, no cuts to that, no cuts to my abc, then turn around and do the opposite`) a fair bit. l predict the folks at my abc will be in mourning for the next six months until the fedVote. For the time being they have forgot about the jonestownVote due in march, maybe that will cheer them up as everybody else will be enjoying the show for the next six months of solid teabag panic.

    (this round of teabag panic will nearly reach the same level theRonald enjoyed)

  53. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    November 26, 2018 9:22 am

    I guess the nodes and telegraph wires didn`t go down well in boltsville last week!

  54. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2018 10:03 am

    lol

    I hope he doesn’t get better soon

  55. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2018 10:10 am

    it just keeps getting better.

    Or, is this why he is in hiding?

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2018 1:29 pm

    You’re welcome to “believe” whatever you want TB

    Thank you so much,ToM …

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2018 6:17 pm

    Dr Norman Abjorensen of the ANU Crawford School of Public Policy has written three books about the Liberal Party and its leaders, and said it had always been “strongly pragmatic”.

    “The party entertains and has been happy to accommodate a range of social views,” Dr Abjorensen told news.com.au.

    The Liberal party was formed to support business and to reward ambitious entrepreneurs and Dr Abjorensen said moves to define policy on a more ideological basis was a new thing for the party. He said the use of terminology such as “the base” had been influenced by the conservative Tea Party movement in the US.

    “This is something new for the Liberal party and is a long way from (former Liberal prime minister Robert) Menzies’s approach. He always accepted people with a range of views, he encouraged it,” Dr Abjorensen said.

    Interesting comments for a couple of commenters here …

  58. Copy`Paste`Teabag permalink
    November 26, 2018 7:16 pm

    DrNorman needs to stop lifting my comments and pasting them on Limitednews or there`ll be trouble (-:

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2018 8:56 pm

    Not sure he’d understand your comments, tbagz?

  60. March`Bloodbath`Teabag permalink
    November 27, 2018 6:58 am

    It sounds like premier gladys is expecting a bit of a bloodbath in march and has already asked that clowntown zombies and bus NOT try and help her team in march. Haw,Haw,Haw

  61. Overdosing`On`Glee`Teabag permalink
    November 27, 2018 7:38 am

    ls everybody else as pleased as l am that the bitter`ol coldwar geriatric molan got smoked at his teabag pre selections. He wouldn`t turn up on qandaland last night, and was replaced by abetz.

    For those interested in quite a funny video clip; check for clowntown airport doorstops for yesterday; most of the teabags looked shit scared; but jooBish was grinning ear to ear like the cheshire cat.

  62. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2018 8:41 am

    Not sure he’d understand your comments, tbagz?

    I don’t understand?

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2018 11:46 am

    ls everybody else as pleased as l am that the bitter`ol coldwar geriatric molan

    Oh! Yes! Quite cowardly for a conservative ex-general I thought! Thoroughly expected tho’! 🙂

  64. On`With`the`Show`Teabag permalink
    November 27, 2018 5:40 pm

    lt just keeps getting better! Julia banks has quit team teabag and gone indy. l`m overdosing on glee!!!

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2018 5:48 pm

    It’s all going really well for the Liberals since they dumped Turnbull

  66. Know`Reality`Teabag permalink
    November 27, 2018 7:17 pm

    More fun!! The odwyer critter has reported to prime meddler slomo that the electorate see team teabag as homophobic, antiWomen climate deniers. So funny. Not too long ago the odwyer critter was on insiderp telling barrie the opposite.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2018 7:36 pm

    This’ll have Neel up all night!

    https://www.lnp.org.au/lnp-shop/

  68. Warez`Da`Base`Teabag permalink
    November 28, 2018 6:54 am

    I notice da-base haven`t turned up for a while, they`re probably curled up under their beds in the fetal position, remote control in hand, listening to comforting reassurances from 2gb and sky after dark.

  69. Whether`Whys`Teabag permalink
    November 28, 2018 8:49 am

    After enjoying denial based drought and mid winter bushfires in jonesland this year; today teabumpkins across the state are enjoying watching their topsoil wash away in the climate stagnant deluge.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2018 9:21 am

    Seems John Howard’s Private School Bullies have finally been lined up for a good caning …

    Very poor behaviour from Prefects and Monitors for far too long … but totally expected by this state school lad!

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2018 10:36 am

    I see reports that we are due to have a surplus next year. That’s good,

    Bringing a budget into balance relieves the burden of tax and restraint on the next generation. It provides a buffer and more options in the event of an economic downturn.

    An economic stimulus just isn’t even an option if the government is loaded with debt.

    Many of those economically ignorant just don’t get the importance of achieving balance in revenue and expenditure – I think the ALP leadership understands this these days, although
    many of their barrackers don’t

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2018 11:06 am

    So why has the National Debt doubled under the Economic Management of the Abbott, Turnbull & Morrison governments?

    Maybe we shouldn’t be building all those weapons of war … that would “save” a few bob … maybe we should cull the population … anyone over 70?

    Or just get rid of the politicians in Parliament sucking on the teat and put in a business team who actually listened to the people …

    And whack all the Canberra treats and goodies for politicians after they are made redundant particularly ex PM’s and Ministers … and we have seven governors’ general and a royal family costing us a fortune …

    The list goes on …

    And some of the barrackers actually study economics and understand the BS from this government … and its barrackers …

    Like younger taxpayers supporting investors with a tax break and then not being able to buy their first home because investors inflate the price in the market. What irony.

    Houses are homes for families first … and an investment asset last!

    If ALL players in the economy paid their rightful tax the economy would be swimming in it … just think of all that money stolen from financial and banking customers … being used in the economy …

    A balanced budget ANYWHERE household, business, nation how much you earn and how much you spend – and where …

    As a brother – in – law once told me … when your income is less than your outgo then your downfall will be your upkeep …

    Shimples!

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2018 11:25 am

    Like younger taxpayers supporting investors with a tax break and then not being able to buy their first home because investors inflate the price in the market. What irony.

    Yes, but one of my concerns about the ALP policy is that the negative gearing is allowed on new developments – which can only encourage the bulldozing of existing houses, and in heritage areas there has already been too many bulldozed

  74. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 28, 2018 1:27 pm

    ToM

    I think you would find that the young fully support the heritage areas, it is the developers,the large landholders and conservative governments that pressure a government or council into allowing demolition of heritage buildings. History proves this.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2018 1:55 pm

    i agree Shane – that is why i think the policy of the ALP is lacking, a young person will see an older place as something to renovate/preserve, whereas a developer will have a tax incentive to bid higher and send is a bulldozer

  76. shaneinqld permalink
    November 28, 2018 2:05 pm

    But that is not a fault of the policy of the ALP it is a fault of the Heritage Laws and Lobbying Groups and developers who take councils and governments to court to achieve their own aims. Stronger legislation would stop the loss of Heritage Buildings, not a policy regarding Negative Gearing. Although I think Negative Gearing should be phased out on investment properties and be phased ion on Owner Occupied properties. That would be better for the young.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2018 2:11 pm

    But that is not a fault of the policy of the ALP

    Shane, it the ALP chooses to give a tax break to people who will bulldoze established houses over those that plan to preserve/restore/renovate – why isn’t it the responsibility of the ALP to address that part of their policy.

    It isn’t up to other instrumentalities and governments to figure out how to protect established and heritage housing from this policy.

    The ALP is aware that this is a potential consequence of their policy, but they have chosen to ignore it.

    I think there is quite enough traditional housing being knocked over without providing this new incentive.

  78. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    November 28, 2018 2:40 pm

    When you say `new-development` yomm, it usually means green-field. Knocking down existing stuff is usually RE-development. Can`t really blame any specific team either, as both teams have bent over for the developers in both jonestown and boltsville and fcuked things up on the city planning front, including all the ugly new stuff put in areas that had great ambiance.

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2018 2:43 pm

    “So why has the National Debt doubled under the Economic Management of the Abbott, Turnbull & Morrison governments?”

    Because the Senate blocks any spending cuts. Govt spending cuts is the only way to get the budget back to surplus. Actually it has not doubled yet but is getting close.

    Net debt was minus $40B in 2007 ie less than zero. By 2013 debt had increased to $209B. An increase of $249B in just 6 years. And nothing was built with that $249B of debt

    It is now at $350B. A increase of $141B since 2013.

    And nothing was built with that extra increase in debt

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2018 3:22 pm

    Table 4 from my link

    Net debt in 2007 = minus $40B ie less than zero
    Net debt in 2013= $209B

    A increase of $249B under Labor. You cannot put a increase under LABOR because it went from negative to positive

    Net debt in 2018 = $350B. A increase of $141B since 2013.

    But just apologise TB but you never will. We were debt free in 2007. As a person you do nothing but destroy the lives of people like ALL Labor supporters

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2018 3:48 pm

    GFC did not exist … apparently … in tiny worlds …

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-01/swan-dont-be-fooled-the-gfc-required-a-strong-response/5710802

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2018 3:59 pm

    And the only reason that the GFC stimulus could be considered is because Australia had such a low level of debt.

    In another economic downturn, the stimulus option would be far more restricted given the current level of debt – which began with the ALP and has continued since.

  83. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2018 8:25 am

    the GFC stimulus could be considered
    ……………
    current level of debt – which began with the ALP

    Interesting reading ……………… kinda 😉

  84. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2018 8:46 am

    It sure is nice watching someone who has survived on murdoch attacking and destroying people for him getting attacked and destroyed by him in turn.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2018 9:03 am

    It is entertaining to watch the Liberals eating themselves, all that divisiveness is now being turned on each other.

    It’s just a pity that the ALP is the beneficiary

  86. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2018 9:17 am

    For some reason yomm, yor distress just adds to the icing 😉

  87. Placate`Da`Base`Teabag permalink
    November 29, 2018 9:32 am

    Still wanting to be players; team rupert is peddling FakeNews that talkbull is covertly installing phelps and covertly having banks defect. ln reply talkbull “briefly” tweeted psychosis had set in. The teabag meltdown is hilarious! Did everybody catch the odwyer critter trying to placate da-base by claiming the teabags are the team for women. Guffaw.

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2018 9:43 am

    yor distress just adds to the icing</i?

    I'm always pleased to be of service

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 10:45 am

    I’m always pleased to be of service

    Nah … you’re just a partisan … ya don’t fool me …

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 10:55 am

    It struck me recently that a society that ceases to ensure that Maslow’s basic needs are readily available to all its citizens, has given up the right to call itself a society – it has become an economy. When this happens, the entire narrative drifts to the right and we all bow down to the all holy, sanctified bottom line. So what does this mean? What does it mean in actual terms when a “society” becomes an “economy”?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/29/life-on-the-breadline-450-on-a-coffee-who-can-afford-that

    I claim copyright!

    I prefer to thrive in a society NOT survive in an economy!

    TBQ

  91. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 29, 2018 11:17 am

    “It’s just a pity that the ALP is the beneficiary”

    ToM, the beneficiary in Wentworth was an Independent. The beneficiary in Indi was an Independent. Defecting MPs are becoming Independents not ALP members.

    I think the major beneficiary sadly will be Pauline Hanson and other extremists.

    In all of our elections either the LNP or the ALP govern. Did you think it was a pity that the LNP was the beneficiary of the ALP divisiveness of the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd years ?

    Who would you like the divisiveness to benefit ?

  92. Tasers`on`Stun`Teabag permalink
    November 29, 2018 12:36 pm

    Wilkie, phelps, bandt, hinch and other indy/s just fronted press to re-open parliament biz with a list of topics; boaties off nauru/ mannis, fed-icac, live-meat and several others. Pushing team stooten to join the indys to get these done before end of year, and over-ride teabags. lt won`t look good for team stooten to reject the indys suggestions.

    When it comes to pauline; she has got things done; she has nibbled a few voters off john-w and made him adopt her stop boaties panic and convinced his base that it good to be white.

    The show will go on shane, and it always gets good when da-base are reduced to nothing but econoBabble as the panic sets in.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 12:52 pm

    When it comes to pauline; she has got things done;

    Do mental homes have wifi?

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2018 12:54 pm

    I think the Liberals benefited from the undermining of Rudd by Gillard and her supporters, and again from the undermining of Gillard by Rudd and his supporters.

    Now the ALP is set to benefit from the far more divided Liberals

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2018 12:57 pm

    The AP has always been factionalised and has managed to live with this. The divisions between Rudd and Gillard were primarily based around style and power.

    The divisions in the Liberals are more deeply philosophical – so it is a huge rift

  96. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2018 1:30 pm

    hmmm

    He talks about the surplus budget the Morrison government has previewed. He won’t talk about how big the surplus is though. Again, it’s worth pointing out that this is a surplus budget, not a budget surplus – the difference being while there will be money left over, largely from increased revenues, when the accounts are all done up for this budget, there is still an overall deficit (the debt).

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2018/nov/29/malcolm-turnbull-accuses-critics-of-paranoia-amid-meddling-claims-politics-live?page=with:block-5bff4940e4b04b34b3e5cdf7#block-5bff4940e4b04b34b3e5cdf7

    Is this for real? Have we entered that level of newspeak?

  97. shaneinqld permalink
    November 29, 2018 1:55 pm

    This is not good for the LNP. Seems even their staunchest supporters and members can see the right wing extremism taking over.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/i-was-a-rusted-on-liberal-party-member-this-year-i-joined-the-alp-20181127-p50iob.html?fbclid=IwAR20SDmOuNXRY1rCMg3yczR_WQ-Qwprm9suflZoYEFtMhoy_pUkeIT_sZNY

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2018 2:34 pm

    Shane

    What is a right wing extremist?

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2018 2:59 pm

    I think (in that context) right wing extremists means those whose views would have been regarded as mainstream in the 1960’s

    They should regard this as something of a compliment – because religious extremists would be those whose views would have been regarded as mainstream in the 1400’s

    Right wing extremists (in the Liberal Party) are relatively contemporary

  100. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2018 3:03 pm

    Someone to the left of you nil

  101. shaneinqld permalink
    November 29, 2018 3:55 pm

    ToM

    Right wing extremists are those that want the government and its citizens to own nothing, the wealth to be at the top of the pile, that citizens be subject to user pays in all aspects of their lives, that all profits be privatised but that losses be socialised, that the rich pay less tax and that government cut services to the bottom to achieve that aim, that development trump environment. I could continue to go on ToM but I am sure you are fully and totally aware of what a right wing extremist comprises.

    Funny how you mention the 60s when the government owned so many of our assets before they were sold off, when the workforce was highly unionised, when the wealth was much more fairly distributed, when 1 job supported a whole family allowing 1 parent to remain home to care for the children, when the boss didn’t earn 270 times his employee, etc etc

    Religious extremists views have always been mainstream of the 1400’s, even the catholic church went backwards in the last 40 years after throwing out vatican 2 which was a modernisation of the church only to have the conservatives undermine and destroy it. I wonder when we will be back to latin on Sundays?

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:13 pm

    Shane

    The main reason 1 job supported a whole family was because women stayed home and looked after the kids. As soon as women entered the workforce there were now 2 people in the household with a job, hence house prices doubled

    And left wing extremists want to tax the crap out of people and for the govt to run everything. The more left wing people become the more they rely on the govt and the more dishonest they become. Govt was a much smaller part of society in the 1960’s

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:21 pm

    Just arrived in my inbox … from “Nick Grenier” (sic)

    Labor has an agenda for $200 billion of higher taxes – on retirees, electricity, family businesses, housing and incomes. Bill Shorten’s higher taxes – and his subservience to his union masters – would hurt our economy and cost everyday Australians.

    Ring any bells here! Chortle!

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:24 pm

    The divisions in the Liberals are more deeply philosophical – so it is a huge rift

    That’s what happens in a “broad church” – catholics, CofE, Methodists, Baptists, Orthodox, unorthodox, JWs, Hillsong … they’re all there with their agendas and hands out … or happy clapping …

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:28 pm

    Yes TB, I suppose you can take a lot of comfort from the fact that all the destabilisation in the more recent history of ALP was only about lust for power and personalities

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:29 pm

    That’s one perspective Shane.

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:31 pm

    I think (in that context) right wing extremists means those whose views would have been regarded as mainstream in the 1960’s

    Ya’think? Menzies governments were never as right wing as Abbott et al … even the Tories in the UK weren’t quite as RW …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    As soon as women entered the workforce there were now 2 people in the household with a job, hence house prices doubled ………….. Govt was a much smaller part of society in the 1960’s ….

    Yep! They do have wifi in mental homes …

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:44 pm

    I suppose you can take a lot of comfort …

    It comforts me not one iota!

    As always it saddens me …

    What angers me is the Federal Parliament leaners and their incompetence …

    Have you ever wondered why a multimillionaire would want to be a PM? Or just a parliamentarian?

    What’s happening to “democracy” is exactly what happened in the USSR … corporate GREED!

    And Russia is just another page in the history of greed, corruption, manipulation and the destruction of lives!

    The West is heading in the same direction … in 1914 the rich (royalty) and corrupt went to war … and millions died … for what? The only real winners … royalty and the US Corporate world … and it continued …

    WWII began because its population was starved after WWI to the point of despair against Europe …

    Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and let’s not forget Australia’s foray into hypocrisy … East Timor …

    Chaos is good for business … and the LNP want to build weapons to sell to the world – profiteering from misery and death …

    Comfort? You have to be fkn joking!

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:48 pm

    “Menzies governments were never as right wing as Abbott et al … even the Tories in the UK weren’t quite as RW ”

    What is right-wing about Abbott and the Coalition? And if they are right-wing, whatever that is why is that worse than left-wing?

  110. shaneinqld permalink
    November 29, 2018 4:49 pm

    ToM

    I think it is the only perspective. If you have another feel free to tell me.

  111. Tasers`on`Stun`Teabag permalink
    November 29, 2018 5:31 pm

    Teebz, look harder mate, pauline has forced the duopoly to adopt her boatie policy, NOT the other way around. THEY are her bitch, and da-base are shit scared of her.

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2018 5:41 pm

    The left-wing were in charge from 2008-2013. During this time they locked up 8,469 children. Only sickoes would lock up 8,000 kiddies.

    The left-wingers enjoy locking up people

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2018 7:02 pm

    Shane –

    Protectionist, overt nationalism/patriotism/racial superiority, yearning for the glorious past, not particularly anchored to a rational economic philosophy…

    Trump springs to mind.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 7:34 pm

    Trump springs to mind.

    Absolutely agree with that comment, ToM …

    Trump is not only a danger to USA’s allies but to the globe!

    And the “descriptions” you use are exactly the same as the German National Socialist Party … and similar in some ways to Communism …

    People always confuse Socialism and Communism … along with capitalism and democracy … rarely a mention of Command System … that’s why China is Socialist and Russia was Communist … Socialists can utilise either economic system …

    GREED is still the problem in the world! It sucks “average” families dry! Leaving them little choice if they are starving!

    Why do you think Australia and the USA needed conscription for Vietnam? Who would volunteer for a stupid war between christian bigots and communist bigots? Dumb!

  115. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2018 8:20 pm

    “GREED is still the problem in the world!”

    Exactly. That is why people vote ALP/socialist.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2018 10:43 pm

    Exactly. That is why people vote ALP/socialist.

    So, you are greedy? Or a socialist? (the last question is a bit tricky) …

    While you’re thinking … here’s a song for you …

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2018 10:58 pm

    Tb

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say. I do not care what comes out of your mouth.

    Fact is you locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013. That is all I need to know what you are like as a human being

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2018 3:08 pm

    I see Michelle Gurhrie was in the bottom 4% for leadersip integrity, as assessed by her colleagues at the ABC.

    I don’t think any corporate leader would survive if that’s how they are regarded.

  119. Shane in QLD permalink
    November 30, 2018 3:46 pm

    ToM

    It depends on what colleagues they are talking about. If the colleagues are their peers then no they would not survive, but if the colleagues are their subordinates then they survive through it all. I remember my previous employer holding a survey of all staff being held over the leadership at the time. It was promised in writing that all the results would be provided to the staff, warts and all. The survey was held and it was a real in depth survey of many pages and guess what, No results were or have ever been provided. It was brushed under the carpet because the results were damning on the leadership who presumed we would all love and agree with them and their drive to change a 75 year culture of service to customers, to greed and profit.

    That is how dishonest and deceitful management can be.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2018 4:39 pm

    … and their drive to change a 75 year culture of service to customers, to greed and profit.

    Sounds like it worked too, Shane … (re: RC)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    May favourite was a Management Survey (for all managers to complete – I was OHS Mgr at the time for three factory sites) … the survey was confidential, no names no pack drill … I deliberately “missed” two “crucial” questions … the survey came back to me four days later from the Sydney Personnel Manager (I was in Brisbane) … had to chuckle …

    Amateurish dicks …

  121. November 30, 2018 5:03 pm

    Donald’s threads seem to be unravelling.

    Anyone who has read the least bit about Mueller’s storied history, would be well aware of whom the Orange Ignoramus is trifling with.

    Of course, no matter how horrendous Trump is proven to be, no matter how profligate his deceptions & deliberate mistruths…it won’t shift any of his rusted ons.
    The Law, on the other hand, may catch up with him.

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2018 5:10 pm

    The Law, on the other hand, may catch up with him.

    I really hope that’s the case

  123. November 30, 2018 5:51 pm

    Mueller, seems to me to be about as straight an arrow as is conceivable.

    Trump, is about as loose a cannon as I can imagine, in his position. Too many skeletons, too few closets.

    But yes, I am not certain that any amount of reason, evidence or demonstrably abhorrent public behaviour will be enough to bring him down (until he’s out of Office, and can’t issue pardons at will).

  124. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 1, 2018 2:43 pm

    Sadly TB it did work, but many of us kept our morals within the new greed and profit industry. The RC needs to look back to the privatisation of the CBA to find the beginning of the toxic culture of bonuses for profit. Sadly the RC seems to be focusing on blaming brokers for the toxic culture that exists, it has obviously been compromised by the big 4 in having a scapegoat to blame other than themselves.

  125. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    December 1, 2018 7:01 pm

    Dunny, ” threads unraveling ” is echo chamber stuff; started by the enemy of the people; and regurgitated in lockstep by global fakenews outlets; ever since theRonald was candidate. The dems and other SaveTheSwampers will not ” bring him down ” as theRonald has successfully rustled and securely corralled the various herds of imbecile that make up da-base for 2020. From what l`ve seen most of the rustbelters will stick with theRonald for 2020 too, tho slightly down from 2016.

    lnstead of fretting, learn to enjoy the show. lt will run for another 6-seasons. Viewers should find much comedy in watching our clowntown duopoly backpeddling from aspects of the failed yank blueprint they previously followed in lockstep.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2018 8:48 am

    In my opinion Trump is a dishonest areshole. And that probably isn’t just an opinion because there’s plenty of evidence to show it’s a fact.

    Peoplee are deeply suspicious of Hilary Clinton but she won the popular vote. Trump is correctly loathed by people in the civilised parts of the US. He’s a misogynist, racist, irrational turd.

  127. December 2, 2018 10:24 am

    But what do you really think of Trump, ToM?

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2018 10:48 am

    Fake tan and he dyes his hair

  129. Alternative`Facts`Teabag permalink
    December 2, 2018 2:09 pm

    After all these years making excuses for corporates, and `now` you fret over the level of `truthiness`. ROFL

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2018 4:24 pm

    Also, Trump’s supporter base appears to comprise misfits and extremists

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2018 4:44 pm

    https://mailchi.mp/liberal/getting-on-with-the-job?e=948b96905d

    Just in to my inbox, from the Prime Preacher … I do hope the meedja get off their arses and rip this BS open for what it is …

    Just one example …

    After the last Labor government, which (sic)* racked up six record deficits totalling $240 billion, fixing the Budget has been difficult.

    *that

    Talk about deceptive? Misleading? Amateurish marketing … oh, wait. Where the bloody hell are ya, slomo?

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2018 4:45 pm

    Also, Trump’s supporter base appears to comprise misfits and extremists

    It really does sound like the Liberal Party, hey?

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2018 5:15 pm

    More like the Clive Palmer supporters

  134. December 2, 2018 7:53 pm

    ” Trump’s supporter base appears to comprise misfits and extremists”

    * and tinfoil hatters

  135. December 2, 2018 7:54 pm

    I am no Patriot, nor Nationalist…but I am soooo fucking glad I was born here (by default).

    Fuck that place. (The Orange Gibbon’s Enclosure)

  136. December 2, 2018 7:55 pm

    S M E G M A

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2018 8:16 pm

    … but I am soooo fucking glad I was born here

    You sound like Prince Charles in an honest moment 🙂

    I thank my Mum that she insisted on coming here (always suspected my old man was playing up – again) …

    I am a parochial Queenslander! A very Proud Aussie! And love my birthplace and its history – but would never live there. (although its 33C, 70% humidity at 7:00pm!)

    On that note …

    I just had a phone call from the past … (I arrived here in Jan 1961) …

    … last Thursday The Minister (she objected to Leader of the Opposition so I’ve reverted – back-flipped?) took a phone call and the caller, a man, with Yorkshire dialect, tha’ ‘nows, insisted on talking to me … when I answered, he told me his nickname and surname and said, “do you remember me?” Well of course I did … 60 fkn years ago I went to school with him, he lived about ten houses away on the council estate and he was a great friend …

    I was flabbergasted … he told me that I had been very hard to find (that’s good!) … I asked him what made him think to find me … as it turned out he’s visiting his nephew in Melbourne … he now lives in the States, and of course, I asked how he ended up there?
    I knew his family were from Scotland and he married a Scottish lassie who had a USA passport …

    One thing that still bugs me is my question “What made you think of me?” … his reply … “I think about you a lot” … just say that to yourself a couple of times … mmm …

    Anyhoo I gave him my email and he has replied very nicely and I replied this morning!

    What a weird (and wonderful) world we reside in!

    ++++++++++

    S M E G M A ????? I looked that up ….yuk!

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2018 8:43 pm

    Yes TB, technology now means you don’t have you lose contact with anyone.

    Which has plenty of benefits and the enjoyment of reunions… and some that I’d prefer not to become reacquainted with!

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2018 8:47 pm

    And… Trump is exactly what you don’t want in a politician-
    * Egotistical
    * Vainty overrides judgement
    * No core philosophy
    * Insane
    * Dumb
    * Bitter and twisted
    * Willing to issue threats
    * A c***

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2018 11:23 pm

    … and some that I’d prefer not to become reacquainted with!

    Oh! Yeah! 🙂

    And… Trump is exactly what you don’t want in a politician-

    Pity that describes so many of the buggers, ToM!

  141. shaneinqld permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:45 am

    ToM

    You and I are in total agreeance on Trump.

  142. Enemy`Of`The`People`Teabag permalink
    December 3, 2018 11:06 am

    Howz da global cooling where you are teebz. l been watching the weather on my abc, 40c to 46c degrees from rocky to cairns and bushfires (100s) but they haven`t said anything about the reef; my guess is its getting well poached.

    ____

    Local unhingement over theRonald `s ability to stridently ignore fact and preferring predetermined thought bubbles tends to show a lack of self awareness.

    ____

    The jonestown voters have the cricket bats out for gladys; she may not be hit for six; but will be smashed for four. Now, talkbull is doing the rounds of the legacy outlets today; trying to convince clowntown call the vote beforehand, thinking it may save gladys. Wrong. (-:

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 11:27 am

    Howz da global cooling where you are teebz.

    Hot mid 30s … humid at least 60% city’s covered in smoke and a nearby bushfire (we are 30ks from CBD …

    Grass is yellow throughout the suburbs … not a drop of rain in sight!

    And Urban Utilities are working across the road water flowing like a river out of the mains they just opened … ironic …

    I can feel a drought coming on … however we do have a desal plant (or two) and SE Qld dams are all connected and water able to be pumped back and forth … cost a motza let’s hope it helps …

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 3, 2018 12:02 pm

    After the last Labor government, which (sic)* racked up six record deficits totalling $240 billion, fixing the Budget has been difficult.

    Shows you how great John Howard was. He was handed a similarly trashed budget in 1996 and was running surplus budgets within 12 months of winning govt. But his spending cuts industrial relations changes caused a Parliament House riot.

    Govt spending cuts is the only way to get the budget back to surplus and to stay in surplus but Australia does not want to do that

  145. Own`Goal`Teabag permalink
    December 3, 2018 12:24 pm

    Waffle all ya`want dummy. Your beloved warcriminal is the imbecile that set the zombies on their path to be slaughtered in march; just as they were slaughtered last week; and may eventually hammer throw blib stooten over the line in may. Just another dud in a whole fcuking string of visionless weak duds at the top. None of which are of any value to nation or citizen.

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 3, 2018 1:37 pm

    I am not waffling. Howard got the budget back into surplus after years of large Keating deficits by cutting spending. Howards first surplus was within 12 months of winning govt and unemployment at 8%. Spending cuts is the only wat to have surplus budgets but Australia does not want to do that

    And all our current problems were caused by Rudd/Gillard. Looks like Australia wants the ALP back to finish the job of destroying Australia

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:56 pm

    Howz da global cooling where you are teebz. l been watching the weather on my abc, 40c to 46c degrees from rocky to cairns and bushfires (100s) but they haven`t said anything about the reef; my guess is its getting well poached.

    Sounds like a typical Australian summer

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 9:20 pm

    I’m not sure what you mean TB.

    I think you have a number of trite sayings that you use as a generalisation, and all I’m doing is pointing out that they are generalisations that really don’t make much sense.

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 9:42 pm

    … that really don’t make much sense.

    So why the panic attack?

    And once again no answers to my questions … that affect the nation … not your personal issues …

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:06 pm

    No TB, it’s simply that you display your narrow-mindedness with those trite generalisations.

    You don’t ignore the prejudices of others, so I’m sure you don’t mind me pointing out your own.

    …and for the record, I’ve said several times here that I didn’t go to a private school, but my kids do and I’m entirely satisfied with the results.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 11:14 pm

    Still not answering my question … and its not a prejudice its just a means of bringing attention to poor behaviour … very much like yours now …

    Answer my question … (once again ignored) …

    And thanks for the “narrow minded” comment … just another insult … when you don’t get your own way … just like a private school bully does …

    You are aware that your comments above actually demonstrate my point? Ooops another question …

    Chuckle …

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2018 8:54 am

    TB, narrow minded isn’t an insult. It’s simply that you use a number of (disparaging) generalisations to portray particular demographic groups within society.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 9:33 am

    Labor 54% to Liberal 46%

    (ToM, lecture some one else … have you ever replied to Neel)

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2018 9:47 am

    Lecture Neil? There’s already plenty doing that. I’m not joining the queue!

  155. December 4, 2018 10:47 am

    “” It’s simply that you use a number of (disparaging) generalisations””

    “”Trump is exactly what you don’t want in a politician””

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 12:31 pm

    This article is a great read…

    Especially the comment referring to Lord of The Flies! LOL!

  157. December 4, 2018 1:19 pm

    Australia’s net foreign debt:

    Sep 2013: $824 billion
    Latest: $1.044 trillion

    Not that it seems to matter to Neil.

  158. December 4, 2018 1:21 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 2:51 pm

    Funny, the pricks, like Howard, who promoted the American(Vietnam) War never turned up in my Nasho Battalion … although looking at him he’d need someone to carry his rifle … once a leaner, always a leaner …

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2018 3:22 pm

    TB

    You say Howard promoted the Vietnam war. Do you have any evidence for that? Howard did not enter Parliament until 1974

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2018 3:22 pm

    Trump is exactly what you don’t want in a politician””

    Is there a sane person on the planet that would disagree?

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 6:09 pm

    Do you have any evidence for that?

    Oh! Yes!

    You haven’t done your research again … Just wrote the first thing that groped your mind …

  163. December 4, 2018 6:16 pm

    “Is there a sane person on the planet that would disagree?”

    It’s just that you use a number of (disparaging) generalisations

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 6:50 pm

    Zinger!

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 6:52 pm

    ToM, I suggest a weekly dose of Shaun Micallef’s Mad as Hell …

    Satire and cynicism so you may not like it! (or understand it)

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 6:54 pm

    BTW ToM … here’s the clue …

    “” It’s simply that you use a number of (disparaging) generalisations””

    “”Trump is exactly what you don’t want in a politician””

    Recall my comment about Devil’s Advocate?

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2018 6:54 pm

    About Trump? I thought I was fairly specific about what I detest in him.

    On the other hand, according to TB, “private school bullies” don’t even have to be from a private school.

    I think it would make more sense if he referred to “school bullies” or “bullies from any educational institution”

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2018 6:54 pm

    About Trump? I thought I was fairly specific about what I detest in him.

    On the other hand, according to TB, “private school bullies” don’t even have to be from a private school.

    I think it would make more sense if he referred to “school bullies” or “bullies from any educational institution”

  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2018 7:15 pm

    TB

    Howard did not enter Parliament until 1974. Even if he did promote the Vietnam war he would have been a private citizen with no influence.

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 7:51 pm

    I think it would make more sense if he referred to “school bullies” or “bullies from any educational institution”

    Now you are defending private school bullies? FMD!

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2018 7:51 pm

    Neel, did you support the Vietnam War?

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2018 8:00 pm

    TB

    You said Howard promoted the Vietnam War. Implying he did this when he was in politics. He did not enter Parliament until 1974. Like most conservatives he supported the war.

    As for me I have no idea whether it was right or wrong

  173. December 4, 2018 8:26 pm

    “As for me I have no idea whether it was right or wrong”

    Quelle surprise!

  174. December 4, 2018 9:14 pm

    “I thought I was fairly specific about what I detest in him.”

    “It’s simply that you use a number of (disparaging) generalisations”

    “Is there a sane person on the planet that would disagree?”

    Posted without comment.

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2018 12:00 am

    Updated 21 Nov 2006, 5:45pm

    Mr Howard and his wife Janette visitied Long Tan yesterday.
    Photo: Mr Howard and his wife Janette visitied Long Tan yesterday. (ABC TV)

    The Prime Minister, John Howard, says he still supports Australia’s controversial involvement in the Vietnam War.

    Mr Howard made the comment as he was leaving Ho Chi Minh City at the end of his first official visit to Vietnam.

    He told reporters he will not recant his support for Australia’s military role in Vietnam in the 1960s and ’70s.

    As for me I have no idea whether it was right or wrong

    IT WAS! And yes you have no idea … about SFA!

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2018 6:22 am

    Well of course!

    Being specifically critical of Trump is the same as making generalisations about various and non specific demographic groups.

    That makes sense, if you don’t bother to think about it.

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2018 10:44 am

    TB

    I misunderstood when you said Howard promoted the Vietnam war. I assumed you meant when he was in Parliament in the 1960’s he promoted the war. Howard did not enter Parliament until 1974. He was a private citizen during the 1960’s but did support the war

    There was this domino theory around at the time I believe. If the communists took over Vietnam other countries would be next followed by us in Australia.

  178. Enemy`of`the`People`Teabag permalink
    December 5, 2018 3:07 pm

    have ” a number of trite sayings that you use as a generalisation

    display your narrow-mindedness with those trite generalisations

    sure you don`t mind me pointing out your own

    didn`t go to a private school, but (@did`ya go to any?)

    use a number of (disparaging) generalisations to portray particular demographic groups within society @daOnions

    Is there a sane person on the planet that would disagree? ”

    @Wow! the corporate fluffer echo chamber don`t seem to engage in any form of self awareness!

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