Liberals in Complete Meltdown as internal fighting erupts!

Just out of interest TB, is Scott Morrison a “private school bully” or is Bill Shorten?

Well Shane I’m only asking TB who he is talking about. Because Moiison went to a public school whereas Shorten went to one of the most expensive private schools, and a ‘catlick’ one at that!

Bugger me !!! Who would have ever thought that Penny Wong would qualify as a “private school bully” ?

Bill shorten went to Xavier!! That must qualify as a factory for “private school bullies ” !!

And there I was thinking that Gough Whitlam was a decent and well intentioned individual…. but guess what he is TB!!

WGAF!

I thought you did TB! You’re endlessly talking about “private school bullies” and I’m only trying to get a little clarity around who qualifies!!

But it seems that you don’t have to go to a private school to be considered one! Very egalitarian

“Acts like a private school bully, even though he’s not ”

Yes, that makes sense TB

John Howard was clearly a public school bully…. who wanted to be a private school bully.

Is that how you see it TB?

Yet another example of Trump’s lack of ethics. I doubt that he’ll see out the term. Impeachment awaits

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/has-trump-crossed-a-legal-line-abuse-of-power-could-trigger-impeachment/news-story/f0405ef8f59e7f16a5c781f695561c58

I know TB. He’s a disaster, practically illiterate, sleazy, misogynist, racist, gauche. Trump’s legacy will be a benchmark for embarrassment

Talking points from Bolt pop up again.

ToM

The right of the Liberal Party has totally consumed it. Any moderate is terrified of upsetting them. The right will happily destroy the party rather than capitulate in any way to the moderates. The right will happily see the country totally ruined to support their donors and extremely rich members. The right itself has been consumed by corporate buyout.

The Liberal party is now simply filled with self interest spongers sucking off the public teat while proclaiming smaller government as long as it isn’t their income, allowances, benefits, pensions or entitlements. The MPs are simply trying anything to get re elected.

John Hewson is very right.

Because people do not vote for the Liberals does not necessary mean anything is wrong.

In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling, govt debt was ZERO, our detention centers were empty, the economy was booming and the Coalition had better govt programs than Rudd.

But Australia voted for Rudd in 2007. And every major problem we now face was caused by that horrible LABOR govt. Australia has turned to the dark side

There and that… it’s due to this mobile!

What has the GFC to do with people voting Labor in 2007 when unemployment was at 4.3%, the lowest rate since the 1970’s, govt was debt free, budget was in surplus and our detention centers were empty? If labor was in govt in 2007 with those economic numbers they would have won the election

ToM

Corporate itself is a narrow and conservative area in itself. Corporate represents the very few at the top just like the right of the liberals are a very narrow and conservative social agenda.

I didn’t say it was unique to the Liberals. But we are now in 2018 and not 2013 and the government is the LNP. I think you would have to agree that I have been critical of both sides on many issues and this lurch to the extreme right and hysteria over security and border issues as though we were under threat from an invasion in an attempt to scare the voters, is nothing short of a disgrace which I hope and believe will achieve nothing at the next election.

TB

I don’t even read Neil’s comments, I scroll past them, so it wont be me telling him that’s for sure, as I have no idea what he types anymore.

Shane

What was a disgrace was locking up 8,469 children from 2008-2013. Border security is a important govt function. Without borders you get swamped by greedy people. The USA is getting 30,000 asylum seekers/month crossing the Rio Grand. They are fleeing a unpleasant life in poverty stricken countries not persecution

Nope. Nothing to see here, coz yomm sayz so. We all just need to forget the airlines fly 1000s of consumers without their knowledge over war-bird graveyards mh17 style. Nor pay any attention to royal-comm theft. Cranes, scaffolds and cuttings now collapse on a near monthly basis. Willfully blind dumbfcuk?

Primate see. Primate do.

I’d only say Shane – if you go through the list of ASX companies, or even the ASX 200, I don’t think you’ll find many behaving in the manner you suggest.

Yes. Alan Joyce was in favour of marriage equality. I can’t recall too many voicing their opposition.

in “ Frydenberg’s seat, and I think it is entirely possible that there will be an independent voted in ”

That`s good to hear yomm, hope ya`right. From afar the odwyer critter looks like she could be smoked. What do the local think on odwyer? (no doubt moonee fcuking ponds will keep their dud blib)

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thought `1984` was just fiction? Wonder what would happen if you typed bomb, target, trigger @haw haw haw, been thinking the same teebz. l am half tempted to code some emails and send them all over the place just to keep the spooks code monkeys busy.

So Trump’s Chief of Staff is “leaving” after calling him an idiot and unhinged

Facts are no defence for John Kelly – Trump is an idiot and is certainly unhinged

I don’t know how accurate this is. If it’s accurate, then I can can see why Labor voted as it did, even though it didn’t want to.

https://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/2018/12/07/labor-outrage-and-encryption-but-why-a-wicked-problem/

I’m glad to see Emma Husar suing for defamation.

There is far too much reporting gossip as fact in every facet of the media, Chris Gale (cricketer) was successful for suing an unfounded allegation – and that all started following a media frenzy after he flirted with a female sports reporter.

It’s tiresome and I hope some substantial damages will cause a change in gossip reporting

Fair enough, but news outlets are far too inclined to report gossip as fact, and I’d like some huge damages payouts to demonstrate that it’s unsatisfactory,

ToM

I agree news outlets are far too inclined to report gossip as fact, huge damages would help change that culture, however I would also like the huge damages to apply to politicians and corporate Australia as well, who massage lies and information into facts that are totally false.

Did we all notice that today Aust took delivery of our first two overpriced F35 flying junkcraft that canadia won`t touch. Let`s hope the govt didn`t skim on the trainy trainy. Especially the ejectorSeat technicians. Remember orange is the new black, and the legacy FakeNews outlets are no fcuking help what`so ever.

Its hilarious the foxtard chick is replacing nicky at the u.n. Viewers are sure to be treated to an even high level of comedy in season-3.

I don’t get your point. Israel is in a life and death struggle for survival. They would not be buying planes that do not work. The British are also buying the F-35s. But I did not know you were a aircraft expert?

Still don’t get your point. I think the Russians are supplying weapons to the Arab countries. I think Britain and the USA sell some stuff as well. Israel would not be buying the F35’s if they did not work

TomR

WE are building the French subs. ON Conservative blogs a lot of people think they were just to provide jobs to help Pyne win his seat in SA

nil, I’m not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but, in case others have refrained ………… You are a fucken idiot!

TomR

I read somewhere that 60% of the building work for the subs will be done by Australian companies

I guess it is not 100% because we do not have the expertise. Same goes for the Collins Class. WE needed help from the Americans to get them working

I have no idea why the French were chosen. I would think in most things a govt would follow Public Service advice. I wonder if Abbott was PM what would have happened? We may have gone for the Japanese

I may be paranoid, but, imo, the only reason they chase manufacturing away, is their hatred of Unions.

Yes, I’m beginning to think that they are just that petty.

Nothing else makes sense (except of course feathering their own nests)

Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines

People are very dependable here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine#Construction

“One of the main criteria of the project was that Australian industries contribute to at least 60% of the work; by the conclusion of the project 70% of the construction and 45% of the software preparation had been completed by Australian-owned companies.[27] Work was sub-contracted out to 426 companies across twelve countries, plus numerous sub-sub-contractors.[39] In many cases, components for the first submarine were constructed by companies outside Australia, while those for the following five boats were replicated by an Australian-owned partner or subsidiary”

a very short time considering Aus had never built a sub … think F35 and its still not “perfick”

Exactly.

When you consider it in light of what they achieved in a relatively short time, it was an outstanding effort, which was simply ridiculed and misrepresented by the libs in order to achieve their goal, destruction

Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines

What about the bloody Chocolates! (and a little diversion into encryption and poxes)

Maybe he’ll stay if we do some poetry?

You would think a so-called small govt libertarian like tinfoil`osy would definitely have something to say on the sheer waste; and NO bang for bucks on; F35junkcraft, wireCo and canoes that will be six decades of good jobs (with economic benefit) for 9000-to 13000 fulltime workers.

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The collins class canoes defeating the yanks in wargames has been a doco too. Did you see it teebz.

After all the blow up about the Emma Alberici article where they claimed errors where there were none, this article just drips with liberal propaganda, most obviously, the repeated threats of recession and disaster, without a dissenting voice, but also the repeated lie that ” more than half of negative gearers earn less than $80,000.”

It’s taxable income dimwits.

So, will we see the same outrage a they portrayed over the perfectly valid Alberici column?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-12/housing-industry-insiders-issue-negative-gearing-warning/10602484

nutjob of a country

So this is the same country that twice elected Barak Obama and gave the majority of votes to Hilary Clinton.

To treat the US as a homogeneous entity is no less prejudiced than making the same statement about other nationalities.

Trump is a complete and dishonest f***wit, but 30 years ago we had Jo for Canberra and more recently Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson.

I’m obviously all for the most vehement criticism of Trump, but the majority of US citizens didn’t support him, so I don’t go for the generalisations.

No Shane, I don’t generalise about unions. If you rwad my comments you would know that I’m specifically critical of unions that have coverage of mining, construction and most of manufacturing

Or the politicization and mixed/inconsistent objectives that occurs through affiliation

I think calling an entire, diverse country a nutjob is prejudiced. It is diverse and has country that has elwcted more progressive governments than Australia.

Like most countries the USA has cultural elements that are ugly and others to be admired.

There is no reason to lump New York, San Francisco, Boston, New Oreans etc with Alabama and Mississippi etc

A friend recently observed that ge used to dislike the US, but then reflected on the books he read, the music he listened to and the films he watches. He decided that such generalisations didn’t make sense.

TB are you simply being ignorant or deliberately and ignorantly provocative?

Shane, I think you’re very wrong, and here are a couple of examples of why.
• I recently stayed at a hotel for a vacation, the employees were on strike. I posted in a positive way about how they conducted themselves.
• I’ve commented regularly about the good work of several unions, and the way they are singularly/unequivocally focused on obtaining better conditions for their members.
I could provide more details, but you’ve obviously made up your mind about my orientation
Being specific about the inherent conflict between member’s interests and political/affiliation interests isn’t a general comment. It is specific.
Outlining specific examples of unsatisfactory behaviour by union officials also isn’t general.
Calling a country of 325,000,000 a “nutcase” while ignoring its diversity is an example of bigotry in my opinion.

And while I’m at it… should this report continue to be suppressed?

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-12/cfa-bullying-sexism-veohrc-ufu-union-firefighting-culture/10605368

“As for war mongering, which are the wars they have participated in that Australia hasn’t?”

If the Japanese did not attack Pearl Harbour I doubt the Americans would have taken part in WW2.

And it seems thecYS comes in at a lowly 81st in murder rates, but let’s not let that get in the way of bigotry

I lived in the USA. Most of the guns deaths are drug related. If you are not involved in anything illegal the murder rate is similar to here

If the USA is so bad how come they are getting 30,000 asylum seekers/month from South America crossing the Rio Grande?

What? I am not an American plus my visa did not allow me to stay. Even if it did I would still come home

Shane

Why do you agree with individuals comments? Lots of Australians work overseas for a short time. Most come home for various reasons. One reason is to look after their elderly parents.

But where I was in the USA was great. Best cycleways I have ever seen. I visited Canada as well and that was very nice. But why is it strange that I would want to come home. I am not an American. I am an Australian

should this report continue to be suppressed?

I’m generally not in favour of hiding things away, but, as with Emma Husar, and this report, the media have a field day misrepresenting things.

There is currently a big hooha about somebody in Melbourne who has been convicted of a crime, but they are not releasing details, as they are standing trial for another crime in a few months

I don’t have an issue with that (although, I know who it is, and YAAAY!!) as I want to ensure their next trial is successful too

Although., since every other country is releasing details, it’s kinda moot

In an era of social media its pretty unrealistic to think the news wont get out

We have a lot in common with the USA. They have the common law of England as their legal system except for one State. They speak English. Most of their govt is of English origin. Their right to bear arms is ancient English law which the English eventually got rid of but the USA did not.

But to say that because I like the USA I should have staid their just makes me detest you people even more. I have my relatives here and parents to look after. Plus how do you get the legal right to work in the USA permanently?.

But I do like Trump and detest Clinton and Obama

I don’t mind the details being released.

I also think if a public authority reviews the bullying culture of another publicly funded organisation, the report ought to be available for public review

I don’t mind the details being released.

#ChangeTheRules

Only when it suits you though, hey yomm 😉

hmm, so flouting the laws is fine then?

No TB, if you choose to deliberately, ignorantly, provicatively call a country of 325,000,000 people of various views, backgrounds, ethnicity, a MURDER MACHINE – don’t whinge about the reaction

I see so you think it’s ok to call the entire country a MURDER MACHINE

Using that type of bigoted and narrow minded terminology has nothing to do with Australia being a 51st state, it is simply reflective of your ingrained/entrenched prejudice.

If there are going to be several superpowers, I’d prefer to have one that is democratic (even though flawed)

And another thing TB, calling an entire country a MURDER MACHINE isn’t simply a personal view point or being a devil’s advocate

It is entrenched and provocative bigotry. You sought to be provocative and you succeeded, so don’t complain that I’m trying to prevent your personal point of view.

The reporting isn’t limited to the sites Wally posted-

As faar as I know, smith is the only australian ‘alleged’ journalist who has reported it.

The nutcases in the yank murder machine only have one policy; keep corporate looting and profit rolling in by corralling da-base with patriotic bullshit and skyfairy dust. The rest is decoration.

Just to play devils advocate, North Korea invaded South Korea, North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam and Iraq invaded Kuwait. The USA would not have got involved if those things did not happen.

The USA would not have taken part in WW2 if Japan did not attack Pearl Harbour. And then it was Germany who declared war on the USA. They would have concentrated on defeating japan if Hitler did not declare war on them

USA only got involved in WW2 because Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. And then Hitler declared war on the USA. The USA did not declare war on Germany

The fear of communism? Yes like I said if N Korea, N Vietnam, Iraq did not invade there would be no wars. War started when those countries started invading.

… the whole conversation has become rather silly … 

And started with the entirely silly – MURDER MACHINE

So TB, when you make provocative and silly comments for a reaction, don’t cimplaint about getting a reaction.

Typos aside TB, if you post provocative nonsense, you’re likely to get a reaction.

ToM
you said”But there is one point that we agree, as do all intelligent and reasonable people – Trump is a dishonest f***wit and hopefully he won’t complete the term”

And I agree

So just what will be your opinion of the USA if not only does he complete his 4 year term, he is re elected and completes 8 years.

Australia elected Abbott, who is reasonably similar in demeanour, though probably more honest.

The Liberals under Abbott win the majority of 2pp votes. Trump didn’t

If Trump is re-elected I’d be very disappointed and so would many decent people in the US. But simply because the US elects Trump is no reason to slur the nation.

I’m entirely comfortable in criticising all those that vote for him.

Yes Shane. Australia has had a share of very ordinary leaders. But I think Trump is probably worse than anything we’ve seen. Even so, I wouldn’t be critical of the entire country.

I think Trump’s election reflects deep dissatisfaction with established political institutions. So did the popularity of Bernie Sanders, who probably would have beaten Trump.

Americans do work harder than we do. However I did not say smarter. They only get 2 weeks annual leave/year

I was born in Brisbane General Hospital. The biggest hospital in Queensland

NOT claiming that huge spends on invictus or concrete political warFawning objects should replace funding for military grade psychosis and injury treatment; or preventing homelessness teebz. lt shouldn`t.

The “ Firm) he keeps that I dislike ” @yes l understand you`re on team repug and think people “ are simply being ripped off left right and centre ” @but this vague general stuff. Be specific. Where? How? etc. These are not an absolute monarchy but merely hood ornaments. Liz didn`t and couldn`t stop any prime meddler goose stepping into the post ww2 war disasters they have; nor forced them to do so. All politicians.

You keep stating echo chamber stuff teebz, as l said before, be specific. Who exactly is `we`, and what exactly do `we` pay for? Hint, doco l saw ages ago proved teh-royals were a profit churner for britannia, most of the land, castles etc teh royals use are held in govt/trust, which teh royals cannot sell and pocket. Most of the royal used assets also run as tourist funded or event funded operations, which require none/minimal taxpayer funds. The days of the `colonies` sending chests of gold in homage are also gone long ago, so Aust, kiwiland, canadia, india are off the hook here too.

Yes, yes, yes. Their luck of birth has given them the ability to be wealthy too by inheriting certain assets. But so too has folks in Aust that inherited thru generations great tracts of land that are often called sheep or cattle stations (kidman) mountain ranges of iron (hancock) or banana, cane and pineapple plantations (guess where). Why fret so hard about the northern hemisphere and ignore under `nose` events?

Team repug is basically made up of two demographics; 1) anti-royals, they just dislike or even hate the royals; and 2) dribblers, we want to be an `adult-nation`, a `big-boy` and cut the apron strings to mother britannia by going repug, often couched in FakeIntelectualism.

l can `respect` the antiRoyals. The `dribblers` are idiotic.

The membership of both team greenz and team fakeleft obviously have a majority of repugs within their memberships; which at best only plays well in 20 fedVote seats. And gives the zombies a running head start in the other 130 fedVote seats.

I had a look at the link. It says the Queen gets 15% Crown Estates profits. Who gets the other 85%?

The Monarchy would generate millions in tourist dollars for the Brits. Certainly more than anything that replaced the Monarchy like a President. They provide some interesting ceremonial functions which would be hard to replace by someone else like Trooping of the Colour

The problem with repugVirus blindness is the level of denial involved that would make da-base proud. The main duckieTrust pays Liz a 15% dividend, with 85% going elsewhere. Some of the 85% is sure to go to general treasury; some to duckieTrust asset maintaining. To quibble exactly how the 85% pie is sliced, without knowing who decides; or what traditional documents dictates will become silly.

Had previous imbeciles in our parliaments had any national/state interest and forethought; they might have noticed the corporate lacky takeover of the parliaments and set up duckieTrusts to protect our state/national assets.

Had our state/s (say) put sec etsa electricty assets/depts into duckieTrusts with say 1% profit dividend to Liz; then our GovGens would be able to dismiss privateer parliaments for acting against crown. The 1% would have been chickenfeed insurance against the corporate lacky parliaments; and much less than the tripling of electric prices on consumers.

At the clowntown level, creating a same duckieTrust for telecom would have cut out all the wireCo waste to build something obsolete; as telecom would have just run out fiber in the due course of operations.

Unfortunately devotionals continue to fight on the fringe over minimal crumbs and continue to make `perfection` and ideology the enemy of the `pretty-good`.

Andrew Broad a great example of hypocrisy . Really… he’s behaving like a member of UKs Conservative Party.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/nationals-mp-andrew-broad-to-quit-parliament-over-sugar-daddy-scandal-20181218-p50mwx.html

Well said shane, agree.

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I think it`s fair to say that there is an insulting protocol here, and it`s the original contributors that Don`t understand that Josh is only smoked by an indy if that indy is NON-repug. ln their own electorate!

I see that Labor has been raided …. again, in a highly publicised, and what looks to be leaked, raid by ICAC ………. over donations that they have already fully revealed.

“NSW Labor is aware of extensive media coverage today of an investigation into historic political donation matters,” he said.

“The donations in question were received in 2015 and have been fully investigated by the NSW Electoral Commission with the full cooperation of NSW Labor, including the provision of all relevant documents.”

It is so obvious now that these are purely political mud slinging exercises.

Meanwhile, the actual grubmint continue to pursue quite probably illegal means to kick those less well off.

I knew it was immoral, thought it was illegal, now I know

Centrelink’s “robo-debt” system is a form of illegal extortion allowed by failings across a “plethora” of democratic and legal institutions, according to a former member of the administrative appeals tribunal.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/18/expert-attacks-centrelink-robo-debt-and-moral-bankruptcy-that-allows-it

Shane

Looks like your dream will come true. We will have a righteous Labor govt which will lock up people humanely. Increase our debt humanely etc

Pointless comment as usual. “ We .. have the wealth ” Which is immediately pissed away on waste and does the nation no good.

I don`t know if there will be much in the way of “ annuls of history ” shane. l have always thought kyoto was probably too late; the primates are not waiting for no space rock; the primates in charge had already decided to consume all they could of the planet; and we are heading towards our near extinction experience or e.l.e. To me, the evidence has always been; three quarters of the university grade imbeciles don`t really get it.

Look harder teebz; you will easily find a politico, boardroom, FakeNews echo chamber ignoring the majority and physics; among university grade imbeciles. l will point you in the correct direction to get you started. Janet albrectsen is a lawyer that spent lots of effort on weather denial for Limitednews. Watchdogs of the banks. Didn`t.

Which is immediately pissed away on waste and does the nation no good.

“ Especially on the Royal Windsor Corporation ”

Teebz, you`re showing your repug blindness again. Go and see how much Aust spent on `where the bloody hell are you` campaign with bingle; and hoges `toss another shrimp on the bar-bee` campaign; per slot; per country.

The under 40-mill harry, markle and invictus show was a pure bargain; a fact; not my opinion; that appeared in multiple countries; on multiple networks; on news around the globe.

So where the bloody hell are you? was a A$180 million advertising campaign launched by Tourism Australia in 2006. (wiki)

https://www.smartcompany.com.au/marketing/advertising/tourism-australia-airs-dundee-super-bowl-ad/

Australia`s tourism body has revealed marketing for what many thought was a real Crocodile Dundee sequel has, in fact, been a tourism campaign all along, airing the final piece of the puzzle at the US Super Bowl.

The tourism advertisement, aired at the sporting event which holds the title of the most-watched US TV broadcast each year, is part of a larger $36-million campaign to attract the US market.

The campaign aired at half-time in the Super Bowl and sparked speculation an actual Crocodile Dundee sequel was in the works.

Bang For Bucks Numb Nuts (-:

“ fiasco? ” or not. lt is neither here nor there. The 36-mill was spent. Like you now; l would normally bleat about royal taxpayer costs to Aust treasury`n taxpayer. But as l`m not blinded by the team repug echo chamber; l quickly realized the harry, markle, invictus show had huge bang for bucks when vice, pbs, bbc, deucheWelle, france24, aljazeeraEnglish all were transmitting the show to their respective viewers. So l had to concede to myself the show had a huge bang for bucks.

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And this; “ Oh! You do have a degree ” just proves my point. You know damn well l am not contaminated with university grade blindness; but that can`t be seen by those self impressed with the university grade bullshit. As long as an imbecile has a uni-cert the echo chamber is impressed and the imbecile is fawned over.

The average IQ for the population is 100. The average IQ for people with a degree is 112 to 120.

There seems to be ample evidence of that here

This makes sense…

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&q=characteristics+of+an+unintelligent+person&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwja85KW3K3fAhULQI8KHSkVCvYQ1QIoAHoECAsQAQ&biw=412&bih=708&dpr=2.63

https://www.google.com/search?q=fuckwit&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjo_t-N7K3fAhXDCCsKHbKzDVAQ2-cCegQIABAB&oq=fuckwit&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3…4361.11633..12667…1.0..1.413.5933.3-12j4……0….1…….5..0j35i39j0i67.4FpPYA_fT8E&ei=PT8bXKjsHcORrAGy57aABQ&client=ms-android-telstra-au&prmd=ivmn&biw=412&bih=604#imgrc=_cTMI61wTx3SiM

Of course you are engaging in reality denial. Context is king. Primates destroying planet, global cooling. Fossilcorp boardrooms with a small army of lawyers, taxagents and communicationsLiars; mostly university grade imbecile; diligently working against the survival ability of their own baby primates. Politicians, similar army of mediaWranglers, advisers, chiefsOfStaffs, spinDoctorLiars; also mostly university grade imbecile. FakeNews legacy outlets; DITTO. (what? you want to blame brickies and plumbers?) FMD

These are not an absolute monarchy but merely hood ornaments. Liz didn`t and couldn`t stop any prime meddler goose stepping into the post ww2 war disasters they have; nor forced them to do so.

I don’t think that is true. Queen Elizabeth is the Monarch so she could sack the Parliament if she wanted to. But the Monarch and Parliament have appeared to come to a gentlemens agreement that if the Monarch does not get involved in politics the Parliament will allow the Monarchy to continue. I still think the Monarchy is useful for Britain even if it is only a tourist attraction. But Harry got those games going. I doubt if anyone else would have

Yes, ” a degree isn`t a particular reflection of an individual`s intelligence ”

@correct, and regularly displayed (-:

but ” it can put some structure around thinking ”

@also known as an echo chamber

And ” generally requires rational construction of sentences ”

@ .. l .. quite enjoy .. tbs dots .. and spleling .. misteaks .. keep the .. soft of mind .. busy!

HD ” shows all this and more, without tertiary qualifications, others with a degree demonstrate neither ”

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Merry Giftmas folks and may all your holiday dreams be wet.

TB

QE2 is the Monarch. So she has to have some power to do something. Over the centuries the Monarchs govt functions were slowly taken over by Parliament. But she has to have some power left to do something, I am not sure what, otherwise she is not the Monarch

Is there any (sane) person around who thinks Trump is fit to be President?

Did I mention…Fuck Hereditary Entitlement…and, even more…Fuck Those Who Support Or Bow To The Concept Of Hereditary Entitlement. ie The Monarchy

I don’t care at all if the UK retains the monarchy. It probably works for them. Although the House of Lords seems bizarre.

It’s Australia’s retention of the system that really irks me. The Queen would never dismiss a government. The act would risk the continuation of the monarchy if the sacked government was returned.

But an Australian Governor General can take that risk, the GG is more powerful than the Queen

On ” dynasty ” dunny. l haven`t seen anything on the repug side. On the dems there has been efforts to renew the dems machinery and move their antiques along, and pushing chelsea clinton as the name to be one of those new drivers of the machinery.

really “ irks me. The Queen ” So you are on team repug too yomm. You probably won`t enjoy the next fedVote as blue ribbon teabag and teabumpkin seats usually have a strong dislike of the repug idea. They won`t go greenz, and probably won`t go team stooten, and can`t switch to teabumpkin because of the `no-compete` agreement. I think by the time the fedVote comes around, boltsville and jonestown teabags won`t be getting quite the hammering the echo chambers are now claiming, tho electorate by electorate it will be very entertaining.

Yet everybody on team repug fail to address what goes on in Aust. We already had repugs-v-Liz and followed l`m-a-strong elizabethan-leader and hopeful-founding father-keating down the dead-end rabbit hole. Folks are still distracting themselves with a `goal` that has move further away. This distraction means more often than not team greenz and team me-too die in the ditch at fedVote elections and allow the zombies to trudge over the line.

“And you still don’t know .”

What did I say wrong? Parliament evolved from the Monarchs advisory body. When the King was the govt he had all power but not all knowledge. So the Monarch had a council which advised him. Parliament arose from that body

An increased rate of melting was detected in the ice cores beginning in the mid-1800s, which was around the same time as the onset of industrial-era Arctic warming.

But it was only during the 1970s that the melting clearly breached the natural range of variability.

In other words, we expect to see some differences in melting between years, but during the 1970s that melting occurred on a scale beyond what could possibly be explained by a fluctuation around a stable average of ice cover.

Over 7 metres of sea-level rise locked in Greenland ice sheet

Significantly, they’ve confirmed that the increasing melting rate is following an exponential trajectory, caused by positive feedbacks like the albedo effect, according to Dr Trusel.

The albedo effect describes the phenomenon where dark surfaces absorb more heat than reflective white surfaces like ice and snow.

As ice melts, the darker ground beneath absorbs more energy from the sun, which causes even more melting – creating a feedback loop.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-12-06/greenland-ice-sheet-melting-accelerating/10581980

@the great thing about a feedback loop is; they are even more predictable than an echo chamber

TB

Your link said that the US is withdrawing troops from Syria and Afghanistan. It says nowhere that our 600 troops would be left with little or no support

Seasons greetings to all!!

And that’s as sincere as it gets!!

Tb

Trump withdrawed all US troops from Syria. He withdrew the majority of US troops from Afghanistan

He did not leave 600 Aussie troops in danger as you stated

TB

You sated there were 600 Aussie troops now in danger. Prove it.The USA has removed all US troops from Syria and most but not all from Afghanistan. In iraq the USA is still there

Merry Christmas to all, to you and those you love, even Neil, however any response from Neil will be scrolled on past.

Hello reb! And seasons greetings to you!

I think the term Trump should be an insult. Maybe a Trunt

Those that make excuses for Trump are also Trunts

I’m just at the coast and it seems that obese people are more inclined to cover their fleshy expanse with tattoos.

Is it intended as a distraction? Or are tattois slimming?

Regardless, I think it’s time for beach inspectors – “I’m sorry sir/ madam, if you wish to remain in the beach you will have to either put a full wetsuit on, a tracksuit or remain in your beach tent”

Yes it’s time to restore some standards here!

Oh look, there’s a fat Trunt, probably with a tattoo

An admirable Trunt – “what’s the use of learning stuff?”

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&q=trump+misogny

Misogynist, bully, abusive… and FAT

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&ei=248kXLnHJ5qwrQGT9JTYDA&q=trump+is+the+fattest+president+in+100+years+&oq=trump+is+the+fattest+president+in+100+years+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3…31880.51972..53258…1.0..0.1183.14383.3-17j10j2j2j1……0….1………0i71j30i10.xizPoyc2qoE

Or maybe not…

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/trump-pooped-his-pants-golfing-nasty.187978/

The `structured` `thinking` echo chamber obviously didn`t watch john pilgers doco last night. Whats the squirt on seal team five. They have fcuking loads of them; probably in every yank base around the globe. (1000s of yank bases) Wasn`t the echo chambers criticizing theRonald not too long ago for not going out and blowing smoke up arses on the war bases.

Usually the first thing a new prez does is the warFawning at the war bases. l think theRonald has shown incredible restraint and resisted huge pressure to wait two years before his first warFawning tour.

Trunt is such a man of his word.

What’s happening with that wall that Mexico will pay for ???

Trunt is a narcissist

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.

The nightmare continues

Yes TB. Trunt is an absolute disaster. I’d love to see him impeached.

Donald Trumpnt averaged 15 false claims a day, and it’s getting worse

There is no rational person that admires Trunt

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-averaged-15-false-claims-a-day-and-it-s-getting-worse-20181231-p50ovx.html

I am getting in early to all at the Gutter wishing you a Happy New Year and may 2019 bring peace and joy to you and those you love.

ToM. Yes Trunt is a very apt word.

TB. Do you know a good drill sergeant that could control the orange nutter, he seems to be a simple dictator demanding to be surrounded with yes men, rather than real men ( or women ).

Yes, happy new year to just about everyone!

A mirror of the USA… people here that admire Trunt also distain education.

Yes, he’s a dumb Trunt. His vocabulary is limited to – big, great and if he’s really boasting – tremendous

The most awful character in recent history

Shane, if you scroll up, you will notice that since l mentioned RCR Tomlinson; the `structured` `thinkers` have been going berserk with antiRonald `look over there`. The Reason is the structured thinkers don`t want you to notice that RCR Tomlinson out on the west-coast; has also possibly smoked another 4000 downstream contractors and businesses. Last year re-phoenix-ing smoked 670 downstreamers in jonestown; and 400 downstreamers in boltsville. So much for a `pro-biz` environment huh?

While l agree with your sentiments above; l am rather certain we do not have the technical, licensed, qualified people any more.

I am loathe to do this, but…

Hilarious!! The most polite put down in the history of the gutter!

Is that when you`re in the SaveTheSwampers echoChamber; or when you`re part of the teamRepug hiveMind.

Good morning structured thinkers.

“A great Big FUCK YOU, to all those who champion the erosion of penalty rates!”

Apparently penalty rates were brought in to stop people working on weekends and public holidays. The idea was that men should stay at home on the weekend and spend some time with the wife and kids

But the current cut in penalty rates was for casual workers and not for full time workers. I am sure someone who got some casual work when they had none would be happy with the cut

Here’s a little background

Professor Patmore also says the education system has come to reflect the standard working week and its weekends, so parents could spend time with their children on Saturday and Sunday.

“Given the importance of the family and the raising of children, that has to be considered when looking at weekends because our school system works that way,” Professor Patmore says.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/national/the-origin-of-the-weekend-20150807-giu3ay.html

Did some research but unfortunately can only find something from the IPA which is an organisation people here do not like.

Click to access Penalising-Work-A-historical-account-of-penalty-rates-in-Australia.pdf

“Penalty rates have been a fixture of Australian industrial relations regimes since the late 1800s. With federation, a series of decisions by various state and federal wage-setting bodies began, culminating in the first ‘national’ penalty rate decision in 1947.
These early decisions indicate that penalty rates were imposed not as a compensatory measure for workers for performing weekend work, but in order to deter the ‘social evil’ of Sunday labour. This rationale obviously became less relevant throughout the post-war economic boom, as attendances at religious services declined while Australian work and consumption habits underwent significant change”

TB

2019 has made me ff to a good start because it is looming as a disaster for a number of reasons and I totally agree with your comments re a second layer.

Those who seem to detest public servants are more than happy to pay a fortune to outsource and then pay a fortune to monitor that outsourcing by public enquiries and monitoring by very expensive old farts that cost a fortune to hold. A far more expensive two tier layer of cost than the old public service system, with unstable contracts, unstable employment, unstable costs.

How on earth outsourcing to a private company that wants to make at least 20% profit plus a public body to monitor them is cheaper than public servants simply amazes me.

What is also amazing is those that hate the public service are the ones that are increasing the number of assistants and advisers to themselves in ever increasing numbers the utter hypocrites.

Whenever there is a disaster with outsourcing they always go back to public servants to solve and investigate the problems. Don’t create the fucking problems in the first place you mob of shunts.

And “apparently” you’re wrong again … FFS stop commenting on stuff you obviously have no idea about.

TB- I did do my research. Perhaps u should apologise but like all ALP supporters u never will

Penalty rates were bought in to penalise companies who employed people on the weekend, especially on Sundays. Hence they were called penalty rates

Do you think the government should be in the aviation industry (for example)?

Have some courage yomm, you post plenty of questions to others but rarely have the guts to state your answers to questions from others.

Are you claiming via your question above that you would like to see our faa and ntsb equivalents privatized? Or just outsauced?

In Victoria the government owns the railway infrastructure, operating the services are contracted.

I think the system is better that having the government directly operate the system, and employ thousands of chain draggers lots of public servants

Trickle “ down economics is now considered by most economist to be a miserable failure ”

Hint.1 most `economists` are university grade imbecile.

Hint.2 most university grade imbecile peddled `starve the beast; asset strip; trickle down` for the last 3-decades

Hint.3 these stupid fcuks have no hope in hell of fixing anything.

I think you’re misusing the term – trickle down economics.

It has nothing to do with outsourcing , contestibility is provision of public services or privatisation.

Even the Productivity Commission recognises the need to some competitionin a public sector monopoly.

Monopolies are inefficient, whether public or private.

Public servants don’t like contestability, because it breaks their monopoly

ToM

A monopoly owned by the people is open to far more scrutiny than a monopoly owned by private enterprise and that is fact.

Even duopolies or 4 pillars like the banks are simply money making greed centres operating in collusion behind the scenes.

And I doubt whether any of the successful tenderers are making anything like 20%

I think that is a gross and inaccurate generalisation. Operating contracts with a stable government have a far smaller margin.

She works for a prestigious media company and basically spent the whole evening describing how miserable she was at work; she variously moaned about her boss, her colleagues, and her commute. At the end of dinner, and without a hint of irony, she said: `Of course, I love working at MediaLand.`

lnside the echo chamber all is not bliss. Did you notice just how many of my comments had been scraped for that post. (-:

Shane, I wasn’t referring to AGL, you said the contractors operating Victorian public transport have a 20% margin. Contracting operations is an entirely different model to investing/owning and I don’t believe you are right, but you are welcome to provide a link to demonstrate they’re on that margin.

Telstra is much better than the old Telecom. If you rang Telecom for help they might show some interest in a couple of weeks. Testra provides a much better service privatised than it did when govt owned

The standard return expected from any contract or operation is 20% which is the usual model.

I’m very familiar with operating models in that sector Shane, and I’ll say directly – you’re wrong

Stable established operations, insignificant risk, and the security of a government that doesn’t become insolvent make low margins entirely acceptable.

I see there are a few papers that show a typical margin of 5-6%

I think Victorian public transport is better following the outsourcing model.

I doubt whether the PMG would provide a satisfactory telecommunications service.

Power generation and distribution has produced benefits, such as better reliability but it requires a lot more regulation.

Qantas is far superior as a private sector company

Tops for safety too…

This year’s top 20 list in alphabetical order is:

Air New Zealand
Alaska Airlines
All Nippon Airways
American Airlines
Austrian Airlines
British Airways
Cathay Pacific Airways
Emirates
EVA Air
Finnair
Hawaiian Airlines
KLM
Lufthansa
Qantas
Qatar Airways
Scandinavian Airline System (SAS)
Singapore Airlines
Swiss
United Airlines
Virgin group of airlines (Atlantic and Australia).

Shane, l would suggest you are arguing against sheer nonsense from yomm. Greedy yank monster Connex was one of boltsvilles train operators. Don`t know if they still are, ask reb. l do know connex canceled many trains during their management. Each cancellation was meant to incur a `service-failure` fine; deducted from connex payment/s; and returned to boltsville rail-dept/treasury. There is no hope in hell connex would only want 6ish% return; their boardroom wages are huge. They may have had to trim a little off their 20ish% `hopes` if any bidding occurred ; but it would only be 1-or 2%. l don`t know if connex is still the outsauced operator; but their sardine tin operations still exist for passenger comfort; and yomm has never used it.

ToM.
You and I will just disagree on this matter then. I will try to investigate further the tenderers of the victorian public transport system and try to ascertain their return if I can locate financials, before making any comment on the public transport system in that state. I stand by all of my comments in relation to returns expected and the rorting of government contracts by private enterprise ( they are unfolding in so many areas now with unemployment being the latest disaster along with aged care) in addition to the decimation of publicly held assets through privatisation.

Teabag. I have witnessed the 20% return rule in so many areas that I know it is considered the norm. Now there may be a very limited number of areas where that return is reduced by a small margin however I have never witnessed it where a government contract is involved and the amount of trickle down outsourced contracts is truly becoming amazing. Just like the hundreds of millions given to the barrier reef scam who will not do the work, but rather outsource down and down the line so funds are skimmed form so many levels before money is actually used on the reef itself. It is endemic in so many industries, skimming 20% for doing nothing other than outsourcing the contract already won to a lower bidder.

The 20%skim is taken off the top of the 100%govtBudget, leaving 80%forJob.

The (skim)biz then pays its bills and wages from the 20%skim, leaving the 6%(profit)margin.