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Liberals in Complete Meltdown as internal fighting erupts!

December 3, 2018

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If you needed any further evidence that the right-wing faction within the Liberal party is little more than just a mob of bully boys and thugs then you need look no further than the current conduct of controversial right-wing backbencher and former used furniture salesman Craig Kelly.

Aided and abetted by his right wing cronies Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison, Craig Kelly is in the fight of his political life less he face an embarrassing return to flogging dining tables and filing cabinets.

Conservative and moderate factions in the Liberal Party are tearing each other apart with Conservatives attempting to stack the deck so that Kelly is preselected for the safe southern Sydney seat of Hughes.

This from the mob that only moments earlier argued that “members were selected on merit” in the face of accusations of misogyny and bullying.

In an extraordinary twist of internal blackmail, Kelly has threatened to run as an independent if he is not preselected for Hughes – clearly aware that his political career is finished if he’s not parachuted into the safe seat.

The sense of entitlement and barely repressed seething anger is strong with Craig Kelly and he let rip with an explosive tirade after being snubbed by fellow Liberal party colleagues on Sunday night.

According to our “exclusive sources,” apparently Kelly sauntered into a local gymnastics club and spotted a group of Liberal politicians who were there to hand out awards to club members.

The group included Lee Evans, a Liberal member of the NSW Parliament, and Carmelo Pesce, the Liberal mayor of the Sutherland Shire Council.

When Kelly extended his hand to greet the mayor, Pesce put his hand behind his back.

“You’re a f—ing prick!” Kelly shouted at Pesce.

“Are you f—ing kidding me? You’re not going to f—ing shake my hand?”

Pesce refused to speak but Kelly – who had spent much of Sunday trying to save his career – didn’t take the hint:

“What? Do you mean you’re not going to f—ing shake my hand.”

Eventually Pesce relented and told Kelly he “couldn’t stomach” the thought of shaking his hand.

“You’re a disgrace for what you’re doing to the party,” Pesce told Kelly.

“You’re the disgrace,” Kelly shot back.

Gymnastics coach Graham Spooner intervened and told the men to cool it. So did Evans.

The incident marks just another episode in what is rapidly becoming a series of almost daily catastrophes for the Morrison Government.

 

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:01 am

    Do these “right wing” “Liberals” (surely that’s an oxymoron?) still meet in beer halls?

  2. December 3, 2018 10:04 am

    And another one…!

    Jim Molan warns he is “not to be taken for granted” if Prime Minister Scott Morrison doesn’t intervene to save his political career…

    https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/i-m-not-to-be-taken-for-granted-molan-eyes-morrison-intervention-20181202-p50jqn.html

  3. Aussie Centrist permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:07 am

    Mate. If you think about it. @ScottMorrisonMP lost his preselection 80-4 to @MichaelTowke in a dirty, grubby political move then was Parachuted into #cook by the same @LiberalNSW executive.. Now he’s an unelected #PMScum by chance? It apparent #Scumo hates democracy. This rabble needs an enema to purge itself of the neo-conservative cancer and reclaim progressive liberalism. This ATM government is bankrupt on all fronts

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:14 am

    Do Australians really think the playground comments below are from mature adults? Or just a display of Private School Bullies at work?

    Senior federal government minister Angus Taylor has accused Labor of “running a protection racket for terrorists” by refusing to rush through laws around encrypted messages.

    Mr Taylor, who was a key architect of proposed laws giving security and police agencies easier access to encrypted communications, said the opposition was siding with terrorists by baulking at the bill.

    “I’ll tell you what’s offensive, it’s running a protection racket for terrorist networks who communicate using encrypted applications,” he told Sky News on Monday.

    “Terrorist networks, drug smuggling networks, child sex offender networks all (use) encrypted apps to undertake their heinous activities.”

    The coalition wants parliament to pass its national security legislation this week, before the long summer break, but Labor is resisting pressure to wave the bill through.

    Scott Morrison has accused Bill Shorten of being “happy” for terrorists to plot attacks using encrypted messages.

    “Labor are quite happy for terrorists and organised criminals to chat on WhatsApp, leaving our security agencies in the dark,” Mr Morrison told The Australian.

    “There is no excuse for this type of weakness.”

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/shorten-happy-for-terrorists-morrison/news-story/f1f24d9ec8322a03c05103a2a6db5e40

  5. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:39 am

    Seems to me that the right, including Abbott and Abetz are shitting themselves as the party members, they so doggedly supported in letting them have a more democratic vote are, in reality, true liberals and not right wing religious nutters as they continue to vote for centre candidates by a massive majority, only to now be overruled by those desperate to keep their mouths on the teat of taxpayers money. The biggest pack of born to rule blood sucking leeches.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 11:46 am

    Just out of interest TB, is Scott Morrison a “private school bully” or is Bill Shorten?

  7. Way`Out`West`Teabag permalink
    December 3, 2018 11:59 am

    rebs fairfax .. We’ve lost a million votes since 2013. @yaaay Wouldn’t you think our party was sensitive to that?” he said. We need a left wing and a centre and right wing in this party. At the moment, we’re driving conservative voters away in droves. @guffaw

    Sounds like the coldwar geriatric is going to come out fighting. On with show! (this bleating was on perth radio, and many a listener would have been thinking east-coast wanker)

  8. shaneinqld permalink
    December 3, 2018 12:50 pm

    ToM

    I don’t know, who is the bully ?

  9. shaneinqld permalink
    December 3, 2018 1:06 pm

    I hope those who will still vote liberal do one thing. Vote below the line on the senate paper and vote for a more moderate liberal than the right wing nutters the party has put at No1. That way they can still vote for their party but influence this extremism that is driving voters away.

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 1:15 pm

    Well Shane I’m only asking TB who he is talking about. Because Moiison went to a public school whereas Shorten went to one of the most expensive private schools, and a ‘catlick’ one at that!

  11. shaneinqld permalink
    December 3, 2018 1:34 pm

    So neither is really a bully. Shorten went private because his parents sent him there and now Morrison sends his kids private because he now hates public schools after his parents sent him public as they are not happy clapper areas.

    I find Morrison a far more aggressive person than Shorten and he YELLS all the time and a bully usually does that.

  12. December 3, 2018 1:35 pm

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  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:04 pm

    I know Shane, but TB has a fixation on “private school bullies” and I’m keen to figure out who he is referring to.

    It obviously isn’t Morrison, he doesn’t qualify. But Shorten might!

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:31 pm

    Bugger me !!! Who would have ever thought that Penny Wong would qualify as a “private school bully” ?

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:46 pm

    … but TB has a fixation on “private school bullies”

    Its a term I’ve used since ” Howard’s Private School Bullies” simply because that’s how they act … been around since dot … Tom Brown’s School Days is a classic on the subject … as was Lord of the Flies … these days just check Youtube!

    I think you’ll find that the Opposition Leader is actually C of E and has a LL.B and MBA …

    The Prime Preacher has a Bsc. App Econ. Geo. … and Sydney Boys High School isn’t the normal run of the mill HS either!

    Chuckle …

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:48 pm

    Bugger me !!! Who would have ever thought that Penny Wong would qualify as a “private school bully” ?

    That’s your interpretation* … see above … keep trying … I’ll keep chuckling …

    *Not mine … so? You went to a private school, didja?

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:52 pm

    “That way they can still vote for their party but influence this extremism that is driving voters away.”

    Shane

    What do you mean by extremist? I find most ALP supporters extremists because they want to thrust their left-wing ideas down everybodies throat

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:59 pm

    Bill shorten went to Xavier!! That must qualify as a factory for “private school bullies ” !!

    And there I was thinking that Gough Whitlam was a decent and well intentioned individual…. but guess what he is TB!!

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 3:53 pm

    ToM, WGAF!

    ‘Cept you … life’s desperate or is this a look over there …?

    ’cause the Liberal Party just avoided democratically choosing candidates in sitting member electorates across NSW …

    Captain Morrison’s call … just another Mad Abbott flunky … true Liberal members must be mad as all hell … (well most of them are anyway) …

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 5:00 pm

    WGAF!

    I thought you did TB! You’re endlessly talking about “private school bullies” and I’m only trying to get a little clarity around who qualifies!!

    But it seems that you don’t have to go to a private school to be considered one! Very egalitarian

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 7:53 pm

    I’m only trying to get a little clarity around who qualifies!!

    Anyone who acts like a private school bully … you really are upset … is it personal?

    What do you think about the NSW Captain Happy Clappy, Captain’s Call to bypass democratic process and just endorse anyone who is now sitting … don’t most of the fascists extreme right wing of your the Liberal Party come from NSW? Odd that, hey?

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:08 pm

    “Acts like a private school bully, even though he’s not ”

    Yes, that makes sense TB

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:11 pm

    I mean, even Mordoch’s* news.com.au is laughing at the Muppets# Liberal Party …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/angela-merkel-needed-a-background-info-sheet-on-scott-morrison-during-their-g20-summit-meeting/news-story/6539fa93d3dfec1f04774ecce1172be3

    * hasn’t Mordoch bonked himself off yet … Jerry must be so frustrated!

    # acknowledgement – Prime Preacher Scotty M. 🙂

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:12 pm

    John Howard was clearly a public school bully…. who wanted to be a private school bully.

    Is that how you see it TB?

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:13 pm

    I think you meant …

    “Acts like a private school bully”

    Don’t put words into my comments …

    You didn’t answer my question — AGAIN!

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:15 pm

    You’re so predictable I removed this from my comment @ 7:53 …

    You may “like” a personal opinion discussion but the “discussion” is you asking the questions and not answering questions in return …

    That’s NOT a discussion that’s an INTERROGATION … BTW I also studied Interviewing and Counseling … can I help?

  27. Own`Goal`Teabag permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:16 pm

    Probably too frightened to, knowing we have read it 15-years ago on teh ipa site.

  28. December 4, 2018 8:27 pm

    Aussie Centrist, makes plenty of sense!

  29. How`are`my`Teabags permalink
    December 5, 2018 2:19 pm

    At least we know exactly what we get with slomo; another weak leader that folds like a house of cards; already capitulated to craig kelly; can`t wait to see if he tries to save the coldwar geriatric.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2018 3:37 pm

    Yet another example of Trump’s lack of ethics. I doubt that he’ll see out the term. Impeachment awaits

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/has-trump-crossed-a-legal-line-abuse-of-power-could-trigger-impeachment/news-story/f0405ef8f59e7f16a5c781f695561c58

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2018 4:10 pm

    Impeachment awaits

    I certainly hope so, after the weeks market debacles around the world … and here.

    Has the boofheadoops, man done anything positive in the world?

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2018 4:50 pm

    I know TB. He’s a disaster, practically illiterate, sleazy, misogynist, racist, gauche. Trump’s legacy will be a benchmark for embarrassment

  33. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabags permalink
    December 5, 2018 5:12 pm

    You claimed you had trainy trainy; but here you are cosy in yomms echo chamber. Stay put and l`ll toss in a couple of SaveTheSwampers to keep you company.

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 9:20 am

    Talking points from Bolt pop up again.

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 9:24 am

    The Liberal Party is totally consumed by itself. It is an unfortunate combination of selfishness, ignorance and pure arrogance to ignore what has happened to the standing of the party in the Longman and Wentworth byelections, and the Victorian state election and, even worse, to deny any lessons, simply offering spurious and fallacious excuses blaming everything and everybody else.

    Occasionally even John Hewson is right

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/a-directionless-self-obsessed-rabble-liberal-brand-is-damaged-goods-20181205-p50kau.html

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:21 am

    The report, published on Wednesday, found the battery’s response time is 100 milliseconds. This means it can go from full output and back within the blink of an eye.

    It also suggests the battery has saved the electricity grid nearly $40 million in its first year – savings that have flowed directly through to South Australians and is reflected in their energy bills.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2018/12/05/south-australian-tesla-battery-national/

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Occasionally even John Hewson is right

    I would suggest more “than occasionally” … always thought he would make a good PM … certainly better than the last three we’ve had … probably the last four …

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:32 am

    I think Hewson is too much like (the late) Malcolm Fraser, expressing opinions now that he did not while in parliament, probably craving relevance.

    But on this occasion he’s right.

  38. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:39 am

    ToM

    The right of the Liberal Party has totally consumed it. Any moderate is terrified of upsetting them. The right will happily destroy the party rather than capitulate in any way to the moderates. The right will happily see the country totally ruined to support their donors and extremely rich members. The right itself has been consumed by corporate buyout.

    The Liberal party is now simply filled with self interest spongers sucking off the public teat while proclaiming smaller government as long as it isn’t their income, allowances, benefits, pensions or entitlements. The MPs are simply trying anything to get re elected.

    John Hewson is very right.

  39. shaneinqld permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:44 am

    ToM

    I don’t think it is a craving for relevance. I think it is more an opening of their eyes to reality rather than a smokescreen of ideological blindness when in parliament and the influence of donors and the rich at the time.

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:02 am

    Because people do not vote for the Liberals does not necessary mean anything is wrong.

    In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling, govt debt was ZERO, our detention centers were empty, the economy was booming and the Coalition had better govt programs than Rudd.

    But Australia voted for Rudd in 2007. And every major problem we now face was caused by that horrible LABOR govt. Australia has turned to the dark side

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:11 am

     The MPs are simply trying anything to get re elected.

    Rhere is nothing uniquely Liberal in rhat Shane, for example (apparently) the ALP detested Rudd but gave him the PMs job because he was more likely to salvage a few seats.

    But Fraser particularly was the most divisive politician in Australia’s history, he seemed to spend his latter years trying to repair his ugly legacy.

    I think he has motivated by guilt and vanity rather than sincwrity.

    I also think Hewson has relvance deprivation syndrome

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:12 am

    There and that… it’s due to this mobile!

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:31 am

    Would someone please tell Neel there was Global Financial Crisis in 2008 … or just hit the reset button …

    +++++++++++++++++++

    sincwrity … yet L koticed murs te qwarfl …

    You’ve been hacked by Klingons … brace for impact!

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2018 12:16 pm

    What has the GFC to do with people voting Labor in 2007 when unemployment was at 4.3%, the lowest rate since the 1970’s, govt was debt free, budget was in surplus and our detention centers were empty? If labor was in govt in 2007 with those economic numbers they would have won the election

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 2:18 pm

    And Shane, I don’t really see the right of the Liberals as representing a corporate buyout, I think they are odd, mean spirited politicians representing a very narrow and conservative social agenda.

  46. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 6, 2018 3:02 pm

    ToM

    Corporate itself is a narrow and conservative area in itself. Corporate represents the very few at the top just like the right of the liberals are a very narrow and conservative social agenda.

    I didn’t say it was unique to the Liberals. But we are now in 2018 and not 2013 and the government is the LNP. I think you would have to agree that I have been critical of both sides on many issues and this lurch to the extreme right and hysteria over security and border issues as though we were under threat from an invasion in an attempt to scare the voters, is nothing short of a disgrace which I hope and believe will achieve nothing at the next election.

    TB

    I don’t even read Neil’s comments, I scroll past them, so it wont be me telling him that’s for sure, as I have no idea what he types anymore.

  47. Reality`Denial`Teabags permalink
    December 6, 2018 3:54 pm

    The teabags continually trudge over the line; often due to the faults and sameness of the other lot/s at the fed level; take the repug topic, it locks out a percentage of voters in 130ish electorates before the vote process even starts. There is a reality denial among greenz and alp members on just how much some voters hate the idea; and therefore hand the teabags a head start.

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2018 4:24 pm

    Shane

    What was a disgrace was locking up 8,469 children from 2008-2013. Border security is a important govt function. Without borders you get swamped by greedy people. The USA is getting 30,000 asylum seekers/month crossing the Rio Grand. They are fleeing a unpleasant life in poverty stricken countries not persecution

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 4:57 pm

    Corporate itself is a narrow and conservative area in itself. Corporate represents the very few at the top just like the right of the liberals are a very narrow and conservative social agenda.

    Really Shane? As has been noted, I do quite a lit if work in the corporate area and that’s not my experience. Companies are certainly interested in profitability and tax rates, the things that have an effect on yhe bittom line, but very few show any opposition to progressive social reforms.

    You may be thinking that the likes of Gina Rinehart is typical of the corporate eorld, but that’s not the case in my experience.

    You might provide some rationale as to your reasoning

  50. shaneinqld permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:02 pm

    I have provided many examples from my previous employment on the corporate world I don’t think I need to provide any more examples of the corporate world. My experience as an employee is totally different to yours obviously.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:15 pm

    I don’t think the corporate world has any consistent position on social issues such as –
    * Marriage equality
    * Treatment of asylum seekers
    * Immigration

    If anything companies are yearning for a rational policy on energy, and the ASX boards I have experience with that their corporate responsibilities quite seriously, I think they are very aware of the effect poor compliance and governance has on the share price.

  52. Reality`Denial`Teabags permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:21 pm

    Nope. Nothing to see here, coz yomm sayz so. We all just need to forget the airlines fly 1000s of consumers without their knowledge over war-bird graveyards mh17 style. Nor pay any attention to royal-comm theft. Cranes, scaffolds and cuttings now collapse on a near monthly basis. Willfully blind dumbfcuk?

  53. shaneinqld permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:32 pm

    ToM

    Well you and i disagree on so called corporate responsibilities, being involved in the underhanded tactics of management and their actions and lies and deceit in order to achieve their aims, I remain convinced that corporations only worry about their responsibilities once caught out.

    We have bastardry in Banks, Water Allocation, Franchises, Wage Theft, Workers Safety, Aged Care, Electricity Providers. Honestly I could make the list a mile long.

  54. Reality`Denial`Teabag permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:50 pm

    Primate see. Primate do.

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2018 6:43 pm

    Shane

    I am more worried about the lies and deceit of the ALP. Rudd in 2007 promised a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. When a major political party like the ALP lies so badly to win an election why do you care so much about corporate dishonesty?

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 8:57 pm

    I’d only say Shane – if you go through the list of ASX companies, or even the ASX 200, I don’t think you’ll find many behaving in the manner you suggest.

  57. December 6, 2018 9:30 pm

    I don’t think the corporate world has any consistent position on social issues such as – Marriage equality.

    I think your mates at Qantas would beg to differ.

    But dog forbid I wouldn’t want to be seen as accusing you of making a gross generalisation…

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 9:49 pm

    Yes. Alan Joyce was in favour of marriage equality. I can’t recall too many voicing their opposition.

  59. Ruvinii permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:50 pm

    I wa counted under fauna act qld before 1967

    What my rights man I’m angry

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:07 pm

    Aks, ToM,

  61. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2018 8:54 am

    I am horrified that Labor capitulated …. again, on security issues. I had hoped that they were playing chicken with the Government over the Nauru bill, which it looked like they had done, almost successfully, and then caved in AFTER they had won and shown the libs to be hollow on all of their outrageous claims.

    As reb said, A pox on all their houses 😦

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2018 12:00 pm

    TR, I found yesterday completely confusing … and demonstrates that parliament is way to personal and about scoring political and personal points … when they ALL should be getting on with GOVERNING AUSTRALIA! For ALL Australians not just the faithful …

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2018 12:31 pm

    I think you mean too personal

    But seriously, the tactics and games are deeply concerning, it is university student level games.

    I’m quite happy to see a couple of dozen independents in the next parliament. I’m in Frydenberg’s seat, and I think it is entirely possible that there will be an independent voted in.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2018 12:53 pm

    Did any party vote against the encryption Bill?

  65. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2018 2:53 pm

    Did someone mention Qantas

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2018 3:53 pm

    And I read that The Leprechaun’s pay was over $24 million this year with shares … WTF is wrong with this corporate democracy? Oh, wait!

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2018 6:01 pm

    Shorten’s cop out …

    “There are legitimate concerns about the encryption legislation,” the opposition leader told reporters on Friday.

    “But I wasn’t prepared to walk away from my job and leave matters in a stand-off and expose Australians to increased risk in terms of national security.”

    That is utter BS!

    And this is really concerning! (my bold)

    The government will have three levels of requests. The first stage is voluntary while the second stage is compulsory and includes fines up to $10 million and $50,000 for an individual. The third stage is also compulsory and demands companies proactively work to build mechanisms to help authorities collect information.

    And you thought “1984” was just fiction?

    Wonder what would happen if you typed bomb, target, trigger in a couple of months … I’ll let you know if anything happens!

    After this schmozzle I’ll be looking for an independent candidate too.

    Incredibly dumb on Labor’s part.

  68. Know`Idea`Teabag permalink
    December 8, 2018 2:36 pm

    Yesterday was an all round display of weak dud leaderships being shored up. Team teabag phillabustering away the time so they didn`t have to face phelps boatie bill; while team stooten collapsed like a house of cards and scribbled away more of our rights in the name of `tewwa` defense. Which kinda doesn`t match the borderFarce lay offs.

  69. Know`Idea`Teabag permalink
    December 8, 2018 3:10 pm

    in “ Frydenberg’s seat, and I think it is entirely possible that there will be an independent voted in

    That`s good to hear yomm, hope ya`right. From afar the odwyer critter looks like she could be smoked. What do the local think on odwyer? (no doubt moonee fcuking ponds will keep their dud blib)

    ____

    thought `1984` was just fiction? Wonder what would happen if you typed bomb, target, trigger @haw haw haw, been thinking the same teebz. l am half tempted to code some emails and send them all over the place just to keep the spooks code monkeys busy.

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 8, 2018 3:36 pm

    It’s great to see Trump in increasingly deep s**t. Hope he drowns in it and gets booted out in in the most undignified manner possible. He’ll tweet all the way to irrelevance

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2018 9:45 am

    So Trump’s Chief of Staff is “leaving” after calling him an idiot and unhinged

    Facts are no defence for John Kelly – Trump is an idiot and is certainly unhinged

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2018 6:36 pm

    Closer, and closer, ToM …

    Softly, softly, catchee monkey …

    Slowly I turned … step … by step …

  73. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2018 10:45 am

    I don’t know how accurate this is. If it’s accurate, then I can can see why Labor voted as it did, even though it didn’t want to.

    https://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/2018/12/07/labor-outrage-and-encryption-but-why-a-wicked-problem/

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 11:34 am

    TR,

    Imagine the ranting from the Prime Preacher & Acolytes if Bill hadn’t passed the bill (apparently Bill does all the work in the Labor Party).

    AND there had been a “terrorist attack” over christmas … all Bill’s fault!

    The politics in all this is pretty awful …

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2018 12:10 pm

    I’m glad to see Emma Husar suing for defamation.

    There is far too much reporting gossip as fact in every facet of the media, Chris Gale (cricketer) was successful for suing an unfounded allegation – and that all started following a media frenzy after he flirted with a female sports reporter.

    It’s tiresome and I hope some substantial damages will cause a change in gossip reporting

  76. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2018 12:26 pm

    <iIt’s tiresome and I hope some substantial damages will cause a change in gossip reporting

    Nothing will change, regardless of the outcome.

    If Emma wins, then Buzzfeed and Alice will suffer. And, they’ll find they have become usefull idiots in their desire to be considered “mainstream” byt the m(?)sm

    murdoch laughing spreads his wings 😉

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2018 2:08 pm

    Fair enough, but news outlets are far too inclined to report gossip as fact, and I’d like some huge damages payouts to demonstrate that it’s unsatisfactory,

  78. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 10, 2018 4:42 pm

    Ditto. l also enjoyed seeing rebel wilson clobber the fakenews outlets in court. Too bad the courts lost their bottle during the appeal.

  79. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 10, 2018 5:21 pm

    ToM

    I agree news outlets are far too inclined to report gossip as fact, huge damages would help change that culture, however I would also like the huge damages to apply to politicians and corporate Australia as well, who massage lies and information into facts that are totally false.

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 10, 2018 6:13 pm

    Damages applying to politicians? How about we start with Rudd and Labor who promised in 2007 a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. One of the biggest lies ever to win an election

  81. Airforce`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 10, 2018 7:25 pm

    Did we all notice that today Aust took delivery of our first two overpriced F35 flying junkcraft that canadia won`t touch. Let`s hope the govt didn`t skim on the trainy trainy. Especially the ejectorSeat technicians. Remember orange is the new black, and the legacy FakeNews outlets are no fcuking help what`so ever.

  82. December 10, 2018 8:01 pm

    It’s great to see Trump in increasingly deep s**t. Hope he drowns in it and gets booted out in in the most undignified manner possible. He’ll tweet all the way to…Jail, hopefully.

    Demagogue cnut.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:06 pm

    Did I just hear on the TV that the SPORTING INDUSTRY wants more governnent money …

    Nobody repays the AIS … and multi-millionaires don’t support their INDUSTRY …

    And in all honesty I’ve never understood why some of the most unproductive single talented people in the world, live such “luxurious” lives …

    And they want us to fund them … with 3000 ex-Diggers (male and female) homeless! Priorities!

  84. December 10, 2018 8:07 pm

    I certainly noticed the junkF-35 story.

    I’ve been following & commenting upon said for years.

    Because we have our noses tucked a mile up UncaSam’s arse (for National Security!!!!!!!!!), apparently we must cop clearly losing deals on military contracts (without the cost benefit analysis that we so readily squeal about when it’s something else considered to be contentious) just to keep BigUSArma happy.

    I say fuck that!

    What with all of the clamour about subsidising this & that…and fucking French submarines.

  85. December 10, 2018 8:08 pm

    The legacy News outlets have drip fed information about how fucking shit & obsolete the F-35’s are, for at least the last decade.

    I have read it all along the way.

  86. December 10, 2018 8:09 pm

    That QANTAS story also makes my fucking blood boil.

  87. December 10, 2018 8:13 pm

    “So Trump’s Chief of Staff is “leaving” after calling him an idiot and unhinged

    Facts are no defence for John Kelly – Trump is an idiot and is certainly unhinged”

    My take-away was that General Kelly is being ‘removed’ because he was interviewed by Mueller, and his position will likely become untenable; as he is apt to have answered honestly.

    What’s worse is the new nom for UN. A former FoxNews anchor!!! who’s on record describing the ‘highpoint’ of US – German relations as ‘The Normandy Landing’…what the actual fuck!

    You couldn’t make this shit up!

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:14 pm

    I would also like the huge damages to apply to politicians and corporate Australia

    I would like to see Parliamentary Privilege revoked … and more senior execs and board members in jail … (much more destructive than the CFMMEU)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re Trump … only two Presidents have been impeached Clinton and … Johnson/Jackson? … neither was carried …

    Nixon resigned before being impeached …

    The “good guys” seem to suffer JFK’s fate … an odd world …

    Market crumbled 2.3% today … my capital is being sucked away – again!

    If the trade wars erupt into real wars … I might become a Chinese citizen … and ask for a special assignment!

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:17 pm

    I certainly noticed the junkF-35 story.

    Me too as I wouldn’t!

    What with all of the clamour about subsidising this & that…and fucking French submarines.

    What with all of the clamour about subsidising this & that…and fucking Indian trains here.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY!

  90. December 10, 2018 8:19 pm

    No cost benefit analysis necessary for a multi-billion dollar contract with BigArma.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:20 pm

    The legacy News outlets have drip fed information about how fucking shit & obsolete the F-35’s are, for at least the last decade.

    Bit like the – LNP v22.16 – NBN

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:21 pm

    You couldn’t make this shit up!

    Welcome to 1933 … in reverse?

  93. December 10, 2018 8:33 pm

    I prefer to imagine that Nauert is just another Trump loyalist (the only reason she was chosen?)…rather than focus on her incredible ignorance, or deliberate antagonism, if that’s her sum knowledge of the’highpoint’ between US/Germany…

  94. December 10, 2018 8:33 pm

    Kushner should be nowhere near the fucking gears of State.

    Nepotism much.

  95. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:35 pm

    Le frog canoes, bombay trains, it gets better; boltsville is doing some tunneling somewhere, underground road or rail. The borer moles are coming in from china as we speak.

  96. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:53 pm

    Its hilarious the foxtard chick is replacing nicky at the u.n. Viewers are sure to be treated to an even high level of comedy in season-3.

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 10, 2018 9:25 pm

    Israel ordered the F35. If they were bad planes I doubt the Israelis’ would have ordered them since they are in a life and death struggle for survival against many Arab countries

  98. December 10, 2018 10:04 pm

    Once again, Kneel…look at Israel, the technological imperative of its surrounding threats. Check other potential ‘Thetres’ of armed conflict around the globe.
    Have a bit of a look at who is, or maybe about to, locking horns with who. Who is buying what/which, from whom…etc

    Then get back to me.

    Ignorant shitwipe.

  99. December 10, 2018 10:35 pm

    Draw Down The Moon…

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 10, 2018 11:16 pm

    I don’t get your point. Israel is in a life and death struggle for survival. They would not be buying planes that do not work. The British are also buying the F-35s. But I did not know you were a aircraft expert?

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 11:23 pm

    Neeeeeel Expurt Aircraft Spotter and Tech Guru … LOL! 🙂

  102. December 11, 2018 12:42 am

    Kneel + expurt in unREEL politik

  103. December 11, 2018 12:45 am

    “I don’t get your point. Israel is in a life and death struggle for survival. They would not be buying planes that do not work.”

    But wot abowt dat part were I sed “look at Israel, the technological imperative of its surrounding threats.”

    I don’t like to use the phrase “dumb as dogshit” lightly…but you are readying me.

  104. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 4:35 am

    Still don’t get your point. I think the Russians are supplying weapons to the Arab countries. I think Britain and the USA sell some stuff as well. Israel would not be buying the F35’s if they did not work

  105. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 8:56 am

    No cost benefit analysis necessary for a multi-billion dollar contract with BigArma.

    It’s fucken frustrating

    They complained no end about alleged ‘blowouts’ by ASC, but are very forgiving for exactly the same thing happening from international bidders

    The french subs are going to cost more than if we had built them ourselves, that’s for sure, and, we will miss out on all that knowledge training, along with the jobs and economic stimulus it would drive. Although, once they closed Holdens, our homemade subs were for the chop anyway, they cannot support themselves.

    Hate really isn’t a strong enough word. It appears to be calculated plan to kill any kind of self supporting industry on our shores

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:13 am

    TomR

    WE are building the French subs. ON Conservative blogs a lot of people think they were just to provide jobs to help Pyne win his seat in SA

  107. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:23 am

    Further to the article I put up the other day attempting to explain away Labors actions in regards to the encryption bill, somebody else has countered that.

    Suffice to say, they disagree with article lol

    View story at Medium.com

    Personally, I think both articles contains grains of truth. But the one simple fact remains. The libs were prepared to drop this in order to keep torturing kiddies on Nauru. They had made their decision, and shown that they were willing to ignore the security agencies pleas that this was ‘required’ over xmas (I call bull on that one too)

    Labor could have sat still, and the libs could have worn all of the blame.

    I personally think that Labor wanted this more than the libs. Either through fear of a fear campaign, or the desire for the powers that they will soon themselves have. Either way, despicable in my book.

    Is it worth changing your vote for?

    Why, everyone esle in the parliament played politics with this too.

    As some wise man said ……. A pox on all their houses!

  108. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:25 am

    nil, I’m not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but, in case others have refrained ………… You are a fucken idiot!

  109. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:25 am

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:51 am

    TomR

    I read somewhere that 60% of the building work for the subs will be done by Australian companies

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 1:11 pm

    NeeeeeeeL

    The question is … WHY not 100% Why French … they buggered up the desal plant here … it was rusting before it even started up … the French excuse “we don’t have experience in tropical climates” … a desal plant is in the fkn sea … and another French company built trains for Queensland … with air conditioners on the roof … they hit the tunnels!

    Australians NEED a heavy (and light) manufacturing industry!

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 1:44 pm

    I guess it is not 100% because we do not have the expertise. Same goes for the Collins Class. WE needed help from the Americans to get them working

    I have no idea why the French were chosen. I would think in most things a govt would follow Public Service advice. I wonder if Abbott was PM what would have happened? We may have gone for the Japanese

  113. shaneinqld permalink
    December 11, 2018 1:49 pm

    Horrified.
    Snickers now made in China.
    Well there is another chocolate company that has lost my business in addition to Cadbury.
    They do it so sneakily I am running out of options from the local supermarket.
    Rolo still made in Aus from what I can gather.

  114. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 2:17 pm

    I may be paranoid, but, imo, the only reason they chase manufacturing away, is their hatred of Unions.

    Yes, I’m beginning to think that they are just that petty.

    Nothing else makes sense (except of course feathering their own nests)

  115. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 3:23 pm

    TomR

    Manufacturing is leaving because it is too expensive to make stuff here. Why don’t you start your own manufacturing company and show us how it is done. Perhaps if govt was not so big and tax the crap out of people companies may stand a better chance. Size of govt has exploded since Whitlam was elected

  116. Tony permalink
    December 11, 2018 6:04 pm

    Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines. I’ll come back.

  117. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 11, 2018 6:09 pm

    Sorry teamcheerer, it is neither stupid, petty, etc. What it has been is willful sabotage of our nation by the duopoly; they have all willfully inflicted the failed yank blueprint upon citizens. Not just manufacturing, wireCo, all the outsauced govt responsibility and flogging off national assets (power,phone). l consider the whole lot of it as willful sabotage. lf a bluecollar bozo without uni degree (me) can easily identify our corporate owned corrupt duopoly following this failed yank blueprint and selling out all other citizens. You really need to think hard about all these uni trained staff in the legacy fakenews outlets; most corporate owned; and for how long they have happily prattled ‘investment creates-jobs’ since thatcher and theGipper days.

  118. shaneinqld permalink
    December 11, 2018 7:24 pm

    Hi Tony

    I am talking about chocolate 🙂

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 7:28 pm

    Snickers now made in China.

    Milky Way … Crunchie … made in Oz Cadbury.

    Rolo was/is a Pommie choc … Mackintosh from memory the toffee makers … but they were bought out by Nestle and they’re Swiss … its all so confusing!

    I too am a Snickers fan … when my parents owned a “corner store” (remember them?) we could by outers – a counter box of chocolate bars at wholesale price … I used to put a box in the freezer …

    For the times they are a changing …

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 7:40 pm

    I guess it is not 100% because we do not have the expertise. Same goes for the Collins Class. WE needed help from the Americans to get them working

    1. We do have the expertise – the engineers and tradespeople that designed, built, modified and improved the Collins … all that knowledge, skill and expertise destroyed by the government …

    2. The Collins Class was the best none nuclear submarine in the WORLD after four years of tweaking … a very short time considering Aus had never built a sub … think F35 and its still not “perfick” …

    3. In exercises against the US, two US aircraft carriers were sunk by Collins Class subs … an event that military planners had deemed “impossible” …

    4. We did need “help” from the Yanks …. because the US would not share electronics and codes that any first level ally would be entitled too … actually need to fight a war with the US (think Five Eyes)

    Do you understand anything at all?

    Did you know that China now makes Snickers?

    Although I’d bet that Snickers are made by Hershey in the USofA … do they have Snickers in the US?

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 7:45 pm

    Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines. I’ll come back.

    G’day ToSY … Neel is talking BS … ?

    What’s happening in your neck of the woods … ie what would you like to discuss?

    At my age I’ll talk about anything …

    BTW The Minister has decided to scrap all the fish oil and krill oil and we now “indulge” in hemp oil … hehehehehe … it has no ss-ii-i-de efffffffcts at alllllll … mhmh 🙂

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2018 8:40 pm

    Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines

    People are very dependable here

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 8:57 pm

    TB

    Significant work on the Collins Class was done overseas

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 8:59 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine#Construction

    “One of the main criteria of the project was that Australian industries contribute to at least 60% of the work; by the conclusion of the project 70% of the construction and 45% of the software preparation had been completed by Australian-owned companies.[27] Work was sub-contracted out to 426 companies across twelve countries, plus numerous sub-sub-contractors.[39] In many cases, components for the first submarine were constructed by companies outside Australia, while those for the following five boats were replicated by an Australian-owned partner or subsidiary”

  125. Whether`Whys`Teabag permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:17 pm

    2nd blah Yes teebz; both nation and citizens need “ heavy (and light) ” industries. Unfortunately many have gone unnecessarily; won`t be back anytime soon; with more to go. By the time the teabag panic sets in with the imbeciles in charge; it will be way too fcuking late for them to change their mind and change direction. Working example; global cooling. Federal fcukwits still in denial of existence of weather; only thing hospitals and city mayors around the world could do since paris heatwave 2014ish, is expand morgue dead primate capacity. No hope on any other front.

  126. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:34 pm

    a very short time considering Aus had never built a sub … think F35 and its still not “perfick”

    Exactly.

    When you consider it in light of what they achieved in a relatively short time, it was an outstanding effort, which was simply ridiculed and misrepresented by the libs in order to achieve their goal, destruction

    Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines

    What about the bloody Chocolates! (and a little diversion into encryption and poxes)

    Maybe he’ll stay if we do some poetry?

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 11:24 pm

    People are very dependable here

    Some are …

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 11:26 pm

    Significant work on the Collins Class was done overseas

    Parts suppliers is not significant work …

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 11:28 pm

    Maybe he’ll stay if we do some poetry?

    They seek him here

    They seek him there

    That damned elusive ToSY

    Is … everywhere!

  130. Whether`Whys`Teabag permalink
    December 11, 2018 11:57 pm

    You would think a so-called small govt libertarian like tinfoil`osy would definitely have something to say on the sheer waste; and NO bang for bucks on; F35junkcraft, wireCo and canoes that will be six decades of good jobs (with economic benefit) for 9000-to 13000 fulltime workers.

    ___

    The collins class canoes defeating the yanks in wargames has been a doco too. Did you see it teebz.

  131. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 8:45 am

    Is … everywhere!

    Nevermore 😦

  132. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 8:52 am

    After all the blow up about the Emma Alberici article where they claimed errors where there were none, this article just drips with liberal propaganda, most obviously, the repeated threats of recession and disaster, without a dissenting voice, but also the repeated lie that ” more than half of negative gearers earn less than $80,000.”

    It’s taxable income dimwits.

    So, will we see the same outrage a they portrayed over the perfectly valid Alberici column?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-12/housing-industry-insiders-issue-negative-gearing-warning/10602484

  133. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:04 am

    TB
    Milky Way are made by Mars the same people who make snickers so no doubt they will migrate to China as well.

    A lot of Cadbury is no longer made in OZ and all Cadbury roses chocolates are made in NZ or further afield. Also it does not taste the same anymore.

    Rolo while being owned by Nestle is still made in Australia. Actually I think the Nestle chocolate is now far superior to Cadbury

  134. shaneinqld permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:10 am

    Trump saying he will take delight in shutting down government if he doesn’t get his own way. Sounding more like a dictator every day.
    The USA no longer the leader of the free and democratic world, but rather the leader of a religious, gun toting, election rigging, gerrymandering, senator stripping right wing, nutjob of a country.

  135. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:20 am

    Sounding more like a dictator every day.

    Sounding more like our grubmint every day.

    Oh, yea, you just said that 😉

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:21 am

    nutjob of a country

    So this is the same country that twice elected Barak Obama and gave the majority of votes to Hilary Clinton.

    To treat the US as a homogeneous entity is no less prejudiced than making the same statement about other nationalities.

    Trump is a complete and dishonest f***wit, but 30 years ago we had Jo for Canberra and more recently Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson.

    I’m obviously all for the most vehement criticism of Trump, but the majority of US citizens didn’t support him, so I don’t go for the generalisations.

  137. shaneinqld permalink
    December 12, 2018 10:42 am

    ToM

    You are more than happy to generalise about unions !!

    Please tell me which part of my comment was a generalisation instead of the truth based on facts and actions since 2016.
    States where republicans have lost their positions at the mid terms are now trying to limit powers of the democrats who have been elected to replace them. The thuggery of the party is really starting to show.
    That would be like the LNP here trying to stop the new ALP PM having exactly the same powers as the LNP did before they lost the election. It has become a laughing stock to state the USA is democratic and a bastion of leadership and a leading example for the rest of the world.

  138. shaneinqld permalink
    December 12, 2018 10:43 am

    ToM

    Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson are not the government.

  139. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 10:56 am

    Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson are not the government.

    No, the grubmint is 😦

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:01 am

    No Shane, I don’t generalise about unions. If you rwad my comments you would know that I’m specifically critical of unions that have coverage of mining, construction and most of manufacturing

    Or the politicization and mixed/inconsistent objectives that occurs through affiliation

    I think calling an entire, diverse country a nutjob is prejudiced. It is diverse and has country that has elwcted more progressive governments than Australia.

    Like most countries the USA has cultural elements that are ugly and others to be admired.

    There is no reason to lump New York, San Francisco, Boston, New Oreans etc with Alabama and Mississippi etc

    A friend recently observed that ge used to dislike the US, but then reflected on the books he read, the music he listened to and the films he watches. He decided that such generalisations didn’t make sense.

  141. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:18 am

    No Shane, I don’t generalise about unions

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Wait! What?

    😯

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:21 am

    … the books he read, the music he listened to and the films he watches …

    A generalisation if ever I read one … actually a very narrow minded one … books, music and films from around the world are usually far more sophisticated than US “trash” …

    The USA is/has/and will always be a War Monger …

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:22 am

    Now where’s ToSY?

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:25 am

    TB are you simply being ignorant or deliberately and ignorantly provocative?

  145. shaneinqld permalink
    December 12, 2018 1:42 pm

    ToM

    Funny how you cannot see how you generalise about unions but you can see how I generalise about the USA.

    Books and music and films are created by individual minds not from the country as a whole.

    I am generalising the country as whole because even the democrats support a lot of the capitalist ideas that are reducing its working class to poverty.

    I generalise because I DO NOT want us to follow the USA. Far better to follow many other countries including Norway for our taxes and social services and New Zealand for our elections and parliamentary make up.

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 2:25 pm

    Shane, I think you’re very wrong, and here are a couple of examples of why.
    • I recently stayed at a hotel for a vacation, the employees were on strike. I posted in a positive way about how they conducted themselves.
    • I’ve commented regularly about the good work of several unions, and the way they are singularly/unequivocally focused on obtaining better conditions for their members.
    I could provide more details, but you’ve obviously made up your mind about my orientation
    Being specific about the inherent conflict between member’s interests and political/affiliation interests isn’t a general comment. It is specific.
    Outlining specific examples of unsatisfactory behaviour by union officials also isn’t general.
    Calling a country of 325,000,000 a “nutcase” while ignoring its diversity is an example of bigotry in my opinion.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 2:50 pm

    https://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/dear-male-cyclists-lose-the-attitude-20181211-p50ljk.html

    Dear male cyclists, please lose the attitude

    Finally a sensible opinion piece from Fairfax some media company

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 3:15 pm

    And while I’m at it… should this report continue to be suppressed?

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-12/cfa-bullying-sexism-veohrc-ufu-union-firefighting-culture/10605368

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 6:15 pm

    Calling a country of 325,000,000 a “nutcase” while ignoring its diversity is an example of bigotry in my opinion.

    Well this might sober your thoughts a little …

    https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

    https://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-us-when-where-they-have-occurred-in-2018

    or this perhaps …

    U.S. foreign military sales total $55.6 billion, up 33 percent: U.S. official

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-sales/u-s-foreign-military-sales-total-55-6-billion-up-33-percent-u-s-official-idUSKCN1MJ2ES

    TB are you simply being ignorant or deliberately and ignorantly provocative?

    Could you be more specific – or are you just generalising?

    Ignorant? Deliberately provocative? Perhaps I have knowledge of things you don’t …

    … the USA is a WAR GENERATING MACHINE run by nutcases … to make money … at our expense – blood and treasure …

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 6:24 pm

    TB are you simply being ignorant or deliberately and ignorantly provocative?

    Could you be more specific or are you just generalising?

    Or maybe I see the world in a different light to you … or maybe I know thing you don’t …

    U.S. foreign military sales total $55.6 billion, up 33 percent: U.S. official

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-sales/u-s-foreign-military-sales-total-55-6-billion-up-33-percent-u-s-official-idUSKCN1MJ2ES

    2018 ‘worst year for US school shootings’

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46507514

    Mass shootings in the U.S.: When, where they have occurred in 2018

    https://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-us-when-where-they-have-occurred-in-2018

    The USA is a MURDER MACHINE run by nutcases … and coming to a suburb near you!

    Provocative enough?

    Not the first time you’ve called me “ignorant” because I don’t hold you’re “beliefs” point of view …

  151. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 12, 2018 7:31 pm

    Re shootings- who on earth says that the gun culture of the US is acceptable? Certainly not even the majority of Americans.

    Over 66% are in favour of gun law reform and less than a third want laws unchanged.

    As for war mongering, which are the wars they have participated in that Australia hasn’t?

    Just continue to demonstrate your narrowminded bigotry TB, I expect it.

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 12, 2018 7:35 pm

    “As for war mongering, which are the wars they have participated in that Australia hasn’t?”

    If the Japanese did not attack Pearl Harbour I doubt the Americans would have taken part in WW2.

  153. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 12, 2018 7:50 pm

    Interestingly the US comes in at 26th for military expenditure % of GDP

    https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=132

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 7:51 pm

    What’s wrong with this sentence … its from emergency services …

    “The body of a 37-year-old woman was located deceased …”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/12/olga-edwards-sydney-woman-whose-ex-husband-murdered-her-children-found-dead

    *******************************************************

    FFS! 66% want gun laws changed … it is a democracy isn’t it? WTF is wrong with you ToM?

    As for war mongering, which are the wars they have participated in that Australia hasn’t?

    The question isn’t Australia’s participation (however stupid that was) … it was the wars that the USA engaged in! And then called on Australia to join …

    And its Australia that cleans up the mess that the US makes of ITS wars …

    Just continue to demonstrate your narrowminded (sic) bigotry TB, I expect it.

    Bigotry? Did you ring, Wally? Calling names is a last resort. You have a strange understanding of difference of opinion …

    The world has never been as simple as you would like to think … and you call me ignorant and narrow minded … chuckle …

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 7:56 pm

    https://www.google.com.au/search?ei=zMwQXPeHDJLgrQGHz5SgAQ&q=World%27s+largest+arms+exporters&oq=World%27s+largest+arms+exporters&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0l3j0i22i30l7.12418.12418..13774…0.0..0.170.170.0j1……0….1j2..gws-wiz…….0i71.-MSWf-meHyg

    ToM there is a difference between Military Expenditure and Arms supplying …

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 7:59 pm

    ToM … from your link …

    Military expenditures – percent of GDP

    Do you really know the difference …

    Try this …

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2017/02/10-countries-export-major-weapons-170220170539801.html

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 8:00 pm

    Its like dealing with an intelligent Neel!

  158. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 12, 2018 8:13 pm

    Calling the US a nutcase country or a MURDER MACHINE and then using mass shootings as a means to justify the statement is no different to calling moslems terrorists and using the actions of the few as justification.

  159. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 12, 2018 8:23 pm

    And it seems thecYS comes in at a lowly 81st in murder rates, but let’s not let that get in the way of bigotry

  160. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 12, 2018 8:32 pm

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html

    USA is 81st in murder rate

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:46 pm

    I lived in the USA. Most of the guns deaths are drug related. If you are not involved in anything illegal the murder rate is similar to here

  162. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:58 pm

    The yank system is utter crap and is based on dog eat dog abuse of its own citizens; inflicts poverty and misery upon them for benefit of corporate profits. Only 5ish% of the planets population; has 25ish% of the planets prisoners. Private, for profit prisons need to be filled. The yanks in power are war mongers; they have to be when 60ish% of annual tax receipts are swallowed by the industrial military complex in one way or another, or associated and backdoors to the complex. Just because our clowntown dumbfucks goosestep along with the yanks into vietnam, korea, afghan, and iraq disasters does not attract any merit to your argument; it just means clowntown is full of corrupt corporate lacky`s bleeding their homeland too.

  163. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 12, 2018 10:02 pm

    If the USA is so bad how come they are getting 30,000 asylum seekers/month from South America crossing the Rio Grande?

  164. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 12, 2018 10:31 pm

    I “ lived in the USA ” If the USA is so ” fcuking great then YOU need to explain why YOU did not stay. Obvious answer is because it is crap.

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 13, 2018 6:06 am

    What? I am not an American plus my visa did not allow me to stay. Even if it did I would still come home

  166. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 13, 2018 7:11 am

    ToM

    None of the 80 countries above the USA murder rate claim to be leaders of the free world and bastions of democracy, many of them are despots.
    I used to be a staunch USA supporter, but as the truth of manipulation of elections in other countries, invasions of other countries, support for dictators totally against their so called democracy ideals in the name of profit and trade, jobs for their own companies ahead of locals after they invade, their ignorance of anything outside the USA, all slowly become more and more obvious after the events, has changed my mind about how this country operates and how it sucks the wealth out of every country it can get its hands on, not unlike the Empire under the Royals of England for so many years.

    Individual

    Totally agree with your latest comments.

  167. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 13, 2018 8:46 am

    Shane

    Why do you agree with individuals comments? Lots of Australians work overseas for a short time. Most come home for various reasons. One reason is to look after their elderly parents.

    But where I was in the USA was great. Best cycleways I have ever seen. I visited Canada as well and that was very nice. But why is it strange that I would want to come home. I am not an American. I am an Australian

  168. Walrus permalink
    December 13, 2018 8:47 am

    Censorship alive and well is Oz

    Oh look who got convicted……………

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2018/12/cardinal-george-pell-convicted-of-child-sex-abuse-suppression-order-in-place-in-australia-.html

  169. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2018 9:07 am

    should this report continue to be suppressed?

    I’m generally not in favour of hiding things away, but, as with Emma Husar, and this report, the media have a field day misrepresenting things.

    There is currently a big hooha about somebody in Melbourne who has been convicted of a crime, but they are not releasing details, as they are standing trial for another crime in a few months

    I don’t have an issue with that (although, I know who it is, and YAAAY!!) as I want to ensure their next trial is successful too

    Although., since every other country is releasing details, it’s kinda moot

  170. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2018 9:43 am

    Well done wally 😦

  171. Walrus permalink
    December 13, 2018 10:17 am

    In an era of social media its pretty unrealistic to think the news wont get out

  172. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 13, 2018 10:26 am

    That’s an interesting bit of news!
    ———
    Shane, my view of the USA has changed very significantly over the years. I used to have an intense dislike of the culture, and 20+ years ago I would have expressed views similar to TB. But over that time I have become less bigoted.
    The US is a particularly diverse country and the friends I have there share the same values as people here, they feel embarrassment about aspects of their society and are very critical of their government . They are in the 66% that would like gun law reform.
    They are also in the majority that preferred Clinton to Trump. They would have given Obama a third term if they could have.
    The US has a huge population, and the equivalent of our regional cities of 20,000 will have over half a million there, but with a similar redneck attitude.
    Americans appear more overtly patriotic than Australians and that seems odd to me, and they have a long way to go in the cafe society.
    But to suggest it is a nutcase country or a MURDER MACHINE is just ignorant and bigoted, and I’m not inclined to overlook that.

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 13, 2018 10:36 am

    We have a lot in common with the USA. They have the common law of England as their legal system except for one State. They speak English. Most of their govt is of English origin. Their right to bear arms is ancient English law which the English eventually got rid of but the USA did not.

    But to say that because I like the USA I should have staid their just makes me detest you people even more. I have my relatives here and parents to look after. Plus how do you get the legal right to work in the USA permanently?.

    But I do like Trump and detest Clinton and Obama

  174. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2018 10:47 am

    So the question is, does yomm agree with michael smith releasing the details?

  175. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 13, 2018 10:52 am

    I don’t mind the details being released.

    I also think if a public authority reviews the bullying culture of another publicly funded organisation, the report ought to be available for public review

  176. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2018 10:57 am

    lol

  177. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2018 10:59 am

    I don’t mind the details being released.

    #ChangeTheRules

    Only when it suits you though, hey yomm 😉

  178. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 13, 2018 11:02 am

    I don’t think any law has been broken because the suppression order only applies in Victoria

  179. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2018 11:16 am

    hmm, so flouting the laws is fine then?

  180. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 13, 2018 11:24 am

    Who is flouting the law?

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2018 11:30 am

    I would have expressed views similar to TB. But over that time I have become less bigoted.

    So, if you don’t agree with ToM’s view of life and the world you are automatically …

    Ignorant
    Provocative
    Bigoted
    Narrow minded

    Only last week ToM was railing about people not expressing their personal views and perspectives …

    I’ll take a bet that there are no Devil’s Advocate types allowed in either work or social groups that ToM “controls” … just a personal viewpoint of course …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  182. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2018 11:30 am

    Someone who knows that their site is being published in Victoria (because he is from there) and publishing what is not permitted

    Interesting to see if the courts do anything

  183. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 13, 2018 11:36 am

    No TB, if you choose to deliberately, ignorantly, provicatively call a country of 325,000,000 people of various views, backgrounds, ethnicity, a MURDER MACHINE – don’t whinge about the reaction

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2018 12:20 pm

    don’t whinge about the reaction

    I’m not you are … the USA has never been invaded … it has been attacked twice … once on the mainland …

    How many countries has the USA invaded and how many millions have died defending their families, culture, land and resources … now apply that answer to Australia …

    We DO NOT want to become the 51st State … especially if the people of the USA are as powerless as you say … its not actually powerless the majority are ignorant of the world they live in … and you don’t change what you are used to …

  185. Tom of Melbourneer permalink
    December 13, 2018 12:31 pm

    I see so you think it’s ok to call the entire country a MURDER MACHINE

    Using that type of bigoted and narrow minded terminology has nothing to do with Australia being a 51st state, it is simply reflective of your ingrained/entrenched prejudice.

    If there are going to be several superpowers, I’d prefer to have one that is democratic (even though flawed)

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2018 1:37 pm

    The reporting isn’t limited to the sites Wally posted-

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2018 2:13 pm

    And another thing TB, calling an entire country a MURDER MACHINE isn’t simply a personal view point or being a devil’s advocate

    It is entrenched and provocative bigotry. You sought to be provocative and you succeeded, so don’t complain that I’m trying to prevent your personal point of view.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2018 2:46 pm

    … so don’t complain that I’m trying to prevent your personal point of view.

    I’m not complaining and you’re not preventing my personal view … that’s your perspective … and … as usual personally biased … and wrong …

    … fact … the USA has invaded other countries … Australia has blindly followed (only invaded once) … you do know where Australia’s first Boat People came from … and all the other boat people come from? The countries that the USA and Australia invaded …

    Australia BTW, didn’t set East Timor “free” from the tyranny of Indonesia … it did it for the gas fields in the Timor Sea! A lesson learned from the — superpower, I’d prefer to have … that is democratic (even though flawed)

    (entrenched and provocative bigotry … is that designed to anger me or sumfink? … or are you struggling with the truth?)

  189. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2018 3:04 pm

    The reporting isn’t limited to the sites Wally posted-

    As faar as I know, smith is the only australian ‘alleged’ journalist who has reported it.

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2018 4:56 pm

    TB, None of the points you make are capable of justifying your bigoted comment.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2018 5:38 pm

    ToM

    Why do you think that calling me names like bigoted prove anything, or change my thinking … although you say you are well travelled and widely read … its not being demonstrated …

    Perhaps you prefer the term (I do hope you take the time to read ALL of this extract from the New York Times … below is a just a paragraph …

    It is difficult to measure how many enemy deaths American armed forces have inflicted. Americans and their allies typically cause 10 to 20 times more combat casualties than American forces suffer. Estimates of Iraqi soldiers killed in the Gulf War range from 1,500 to 100,000. The lowest figure would still be 10 times the number of Americans killed in the war. Approximately 850,000 Vietcong died in the Vietnam War, 18 times the 47,000 U.S. dead. More than 600,000 North Korean and 1 million Chinese fighters died in the Korean War, almost 50 times the 33,000 American dead. In World War II, 3,250,000 German and 1,507,000 Japanese soldiers, sailors, and pilots were killed, 16 times the 291,000 American servicemen who were killed.

    How much does it cost the United States to maintain its armed forces? …

    This paragraph only discusses military deaths the article goes on to civilian deaths the cost in blood … it also discusses the cost in treasure …

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2018 6:01 pm

    I agree TB, no amiunt if rational debate and pointing out the outrageous slur against many decent people will persuade you.

    You obviously endorse George Brandis’ opinion that people are entitled to be bigots.

    Labling an entire country a MURDER MACHINE is narrow minded bigotry and now trying to justify it rather than retract it is typical of entrenched narrow mindedness

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2018 6:40 pm

    Narrow minded? You defend killing millions of people at enormous cost for profit for the Elites … and you see that as bigotry?

    I don’t have to justify anything – it is fact …

    And what does that say about you?

  194. Ware`is`My`Teabag permalink
    December 13, 2018 6:54 pm

    l guess the yanks that you (and kneel) claim to know in the dog eat dog murder machine are definitely not negro or native indian.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2018 7:04 pm

    And who’s the Head of State of the Cayman Islands?

    No, its not Malcolm Turnbull …

    … its Elizabeth, CEO of the The Firm Pty. Ltd.

    It really is sad – that so many people have been/are suckered by the Saxe-Coburg family for so long – actually its sickening …

  196. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2018 7:10 pm

    I haven’t made a single point about US policy, during this exchange.

    I’m pointing iut that your slur against an entire nation is closed minded bigotry and there is no justification for that.

  197. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    December 13, 2018 7:36 pm

    The nutcases in the yank murder machine only have one policy; keep corporate looting and profit rolling in by corralling da-base with patriotic bullshit and skyfairy dust. The rest is decoration.

  198. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    December 13, 2018 8:14 pm

    And it was all going on before theRonald came to town chuckles.

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 13, 2018 8:21 pm

    Just to play devils advocate, North Korea invaded South Korea, North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam and Iraq invaded Kuwait. The USA would not have got involved if those things did not happen.

    The USA would not have taken part in WW2 if Japan did not attack Pearl Harbour. And then it was Germany who declared war on the USA. They would have concentrated on defeating japan if Hitler did not declare war on them

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2018 11:40 pm

    The USA would not have got involved if those things did not happen

    Devils Advocate my arse … the USA was already involved with puppet governments in what is now South Korea and was South Vietnam … and the fear of communism …

    As for your interpretation of WWII do some reading … start with looking up Axis.

  201. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 14, 2018 7:27 am

    USA only got involved in WW2 because Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. And then Hitler declared war on the USA. The USA did not declare war on Germany

    The fear of communism? Yes like I said if N Korea, N Vietnam, Iraq did not invade there would be no wars. War started when those countries started invading.

  202. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2018 9:31 am

    USA only got involved in WW2 because Japan attacked Pearl Harbour.

    Inevitable is the word that springs to mind.

    It takes two to tango, and, if Pearl Harbour hadn’t happened, war was happening anyway. It just so happened that the Japanese got the drop in first.

    https://www.history.com/news/why-did-japan-attack-pearl-harbor

    Let’s face it, the USA has issues, but I can’t think of many other countries I’d like to have the same power as the US does

    https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-62-supernova-in-the-east-i/

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2018 10:26 am

    TR, I’m not going to bother with this anymore … obviously people commenting are not familiar with 20th/21st Century political/military history … the whole conversation has become rather silly … based upon personal opinions and emotions rather than fact …

    When we refer to countries its the decisions made by those countries’ leaders that is the pivot … not the poor plebs who work their arses off for their family and end up shooting at some other poor pleb who also works their arses off for their family …

    The USA has become a WAR MACHINE … just as we call Colombia a DRUG FACTORY … or Afghanistan a TERRORIST HAVEN … oe Saudia Arabia a 15th CENTURY KINGDOM …

    The USA promotes war, provides weapons of war and invades countries to promote and conduct warlike activities …

    Currently, there are about 9,800 US troops stationed in Afghanistan and more than 26,000 contractors.

    The Pentagon defines a defence contractor as “any individual, firm, corporation, partnership, or other legal non-federal entity that enters into a contract directly with the DOD to furnish services, supplies, or construction.”

    This also includes intelligence analysis, translation and interpretation, as well as private-security contractors — who began taking over roles once held by uniformed soldiers after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

    The defence industry has also made incredible profits since 2001, including nearly $US100 billion in Afghanistan since 2007.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/this-is-how-many-private-contractors-and-us-troops-are-in-afghanistan-2017-8?r=US&IR=T

  204. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2018 10:43 am

    The USA has become a WAR MACHINE … just as we call Colombia a DRUG FACTORY … or Afghanistan a TERRORIST HAVEN … oe Saudia Arabia a 15th CENTURY KINGDOM …

    Yes, I recall someone telling us how dangerous middle east countries were to visit because ‘the vibe’ he got while there.

    Probably the same ‘vibe’ I get when I see surfies at the beach.

    But I blame Point Break for that 😉

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2018 10:45 am

    … the whole conversation has become rather silly … 

    And started with the entirely silly – MURDER MACHINE

    So TB, when you make provocative and silly comments for a reaction, don’t cimplaint about getting a reaction.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2018 10:45 am

    … the whole conversation has become rather silly … 

    And started with the entirely silly – MURDER MACHINE

    So TB, when you make provocative and silly comments for a reaction, don’t cimplaint about getting a reaction.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2018 12:11 pm

    So TB, when you make provocative and silly comments for a reaction, don’t cimplaint about getting a reaction.

    FFS! Sorry, Teach … patronising – or what!

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2018 12:11 pm

    But there is one piint that we agree, as do all intelligent and reasonable people – Trump is a dishonest f***wit and hopefully he won’t complete the term.

    Drag him out while he is tweeting his usual incoherent nonsense

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/trump-vortex-legal-nightmare-worsens-for-president/news-story/4a4fa3e8e0a973541ce4e51eaf665e50

  209. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2018 12:12 pm

    Typos aside TB, if you post provocative nonsense, you’re likely to get a reaction.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2018 2:09 pm

    Just a RELIGIOUS NUTCASE!

    On Saturday Australia’s prime minister, Scott Morrison, is expected to announce in an address to the Sydney Institute whether the country will move its embassy from Tel Aviv.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/14/palestinians-call-on-muslim-states-to-boycott-australia-over-jerusalem-embassy

    Just a happy clapper dickhead, who either knows what moving the Embassy to Jerusalem means and doesn’t care, or he’s just another ignoramus who doesn’t know history – particularly related to the Middle East and religious history …

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2018 2:15 pm

    Typos aside TB, if you post provocative nonsense, you’re likely to get a reaction.

    Typos? Oh, your typos …

    Better tell these Americans who actually LIVE there …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=4R4TXP-ROI2z9QP91p_QDg&q=the+american+war+machine&oq=the+American+war+machine&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i22i30.1249.8590..9900…0.0..0.452.9331.2-4j11j10….2..0….1..gws-wiz…..0..0j35i39j0i131j0i67j0i3.HxMFgbKWUEo

    BTW … it is supposed to be provocative … but it ain’t nonsense … maybe you’re bubble will burst sooner than you think?

    Some good videos on small arms use, handling and maintenance on Youtube … made in America … may be useful …

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2018 3:12 pm

    Yes, my typos!! Using this mobile isn’t as friendly for typos. But I don’t think I’ve confused your and you’re so far!

  213. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 14, 2018 3:25 pm

    ToM
    you said”But there is one point that we agree, as do all intelligent and reasonable people – Trump is a dishonest f***wit and hopefully he won’t complete the term”

    And I agree

    So just what will be your opinion of the USA if not only does he complete his 4 year term, he is re elected and completes 8 years.

  214. Walrus permalink
    December 14, 2018 3:54 pm

    “ToM there is a difference between Military Expenditure and Arms supplying …”

    I seem to recall someone here owning shares in an armaments company

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2018 3:59 pm

    Australia elected Abbott, who is reasonably similar in demeanour, though probably more honest.

    The Liberals under Abbott win the majority of 2pp votes. Trump didn’t

    If Trump is re-elected I’d be very disappointed and so would many decent people in the US. But simply because the US elects Trump is no reason to slur the nation.

    I’m entirely comfortable in criticising all those that vote for him.

  216. On`With`the`Show`Teabag permalink
    December 14, 2018 4:12 pm

    Correct shane, the theRonald has another six seasons with the networks; only possible of course, because of all the previous nutjobs running the murder machine and creating the desperation of viewers.

    ____

    ln ww2 the crippled prez was much more interested in warGouging the allies; with minimal yank military assistance (bombing raids out of britannia) then joining (for warSpoils) once the hard yards were done by others, as per ww1. The japs insisted the yanks join the game in hawaii.

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2018 4:53 pm

    I seem to recall someone here owning shares in an armaments company

    Then I should know something about it … ?

    … the weapons you refer to were to be designed for individual operation (eg fingerprint and/or code) … Metalstorm was an Australian company … I guess Tony/Mal/Scotty turned up too late to save my shares! The LNP want to be amongst the Top 10 Arms Suppliers in the world …

    Best of luck with that … who’s going to manufacture the weapons?

    And there IS a difference between between Military Expenditure and Arms supplying … and Military Invasion …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But simply because the US elects Trump is no reason to slur the nation. I’m entirely comfortable in criticising all those that vote for him.

    Chuckle … forgive him for he knows not what he writes … the irony …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The japs insisted the yanks join the game in hawaii.

    And the Septic Tanks have been playing the game – HARD! – ever since …

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 14, 2018 6:24 pm

    Individual
    Totally agree with your latest comments.

    Shane

    You really should apologise for saying that. I was homesick living in the USA and wanted to come home. So you agree with this?

    I “ lived in the USA ” If the USA is so ” fcuking great then YOU need to explain why YOU did not stay. Obvious answer is because it is crap.

    I went a while ago but could go back I guess. But my parents are very old and I have to look after them and I would miss my relatives. Bit hard to look after my elderly parents on the other side of the world.

    Now you lefties really do like destroying things. Now you want to destroy families as well

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2018 7:33 pm

    Now you want to destroy families as well

    You really are a self centred fuckwit …

  220. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 15, 2018 8:29 am

    ToM

    Yes Australia did elect Abbott and his policies, actions, deceit of lies to get elected, broken promises and captains calls are all totally foreign to the way I was raised and educated as a catholic and schooingl for my whole childhood up bringing and education. If Jesus existed, he would be striking them down with bolts of lightning for the manipulation of his words, actions and deeds. The despicable politicisation of religion in the name of Jesus has sunk to disgraceful levels, especially in the USA.

    Just like the extremists in Islam have misinterpreted the Koran for their own evil aims, so too are the Christians now doing exactly the same. Gone is empathy, sympathy, love of your fellow man, all men are equal, turn the other cheek, respect your elders, the 10 commandments, the 7 deadly sins, morals, ethics, I can go on and on and they have all been thrown on the scrap heap in the name of ideology and greed.

    Either my up bringing by a very religious and loving family , combined with nuns and priests and brothers during my whole schooling was all a lie, or people like Abbott, Abetz and Bernardi and Hanson are the liars and have hijacked the whole basis of Christianity to achieve a political and not a religious aim.

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2018 9:57 am

    THE BIGOT REPORT

    Revealed The Firm Ireland – Oz in Waiting

    Australia had its own well-hyped royal visit in 2018 when Prince Harry and new bride Meghan Markle touched down in October.

    While it is not yet known how much that visit cost taxpayers, it is expected to be an eye-watering sum.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-shocking-cost-of-a-royal-visit-revealed-in-viral-tweet/news-story/0141b399f3323d0037c0d4c0a2454837

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2018 10:00 am

    … people like Abbott, Abetz and Bernardi and Hanson are the liars and have hijacked the whole basis of Christianity to achieve a political and not a religious aim.

    As an agnostic on the sidelines … I get the impression you understand my distaste of organised religions and the associated hypocrisy …

    Oddly enough I’m a firm believer in the concept of the 10 Commandments … the person who wrote them was pretty switched on I’d say!

  223. shaneinqld permalink
    December 15, 2018 11:10 am

    TB

    I was raised a catholic but now am an atheist.

    However the morals and integrity, human rights and love for your fellow man remain embedded in me forever, they are not negotiable for money or trade or greed like politicians.

    I am also amazed at those who hated communism with a passion, yet are now more than happy to trade with China, to turn a blind eye to their human rights record, to sell their products to make a profit. their morals, integrity and so called democratic beliefs suddenly all disappeared when money was to be made,hypocrites.

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 15, 2018 11:55 am

    “Now you want to destroy families as well
    You really are a self centred fuckwit …”

    Why do you say that. I came home because my family is in Australia

    Shane in QLD agreed with the comment that I should have staid in the USA if I liked it their and not look after my elderly parents. And I did like it. Much less govt. More get up and go. Work much harder than we do. Very friendly people. When I went to McDonalds or the movies I could not tell what country I was in

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 15, 2018 12:32 pm

    Yes Shane. Australia has had a share of very ordinary leaders. But I think Trump is probably worse than anything we’ve seen. Even so, I wouldn’t be critical of the entire country.

    I think Trump’s election reflects deep dissatisfaction with established political institutions. So did the popularity of Bernie Sanders, who probably would have beaten Trump.

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2018 12:55 pm

    One American asked a friend of mine if he’d driven to the States from Australia … as for Yanks working harder than Australians that is critical of an entire country … and utter BS …

    I’m getting the impression that Neel was born somewhere in Europe with his comments especially about Russian scientists … odd fellow

  227. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 15, 2018 1:07 pm

    Americans do work harder than we do. However I did not say smarter. They only get 2 weeks annual leave/year

    I was born in Brisbane General Hospital. The biggest hospital in Queensland

  228. shaneinqld permalink
    December 15, 2018 2:09 pm

    TB

    Don’t know where Neil was born, don’t care and don’t read anything he says. Haven’t for ages.

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2018 5:05 pm

    Don’t know where Neil was born, don’t care …

    Neither do I, Shane, but I am the local provocateur … apparently 🙂

  230. Which`Hunt`Teabag permalink
    December 15, 2018 9:00 pm

    not “ yet known how much that visit cost taxpayers, it is expected to be an eye-watering sum

    Utter crap teebz, the whole harry, markle and invictus show was under 40-mill, ya`really gotta ditch the Limitednews FakeNews as a source, unless ya`tryin to look foxtard and replace kneel as inHouseOne. (-: lt was on tv news just after they departed.

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    December 16, 2018 12:50 am

    under 40-mill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  232. Build`The`Wall`Teabag permalink
    December 16, 2018 12:10 pm

    Merely a drop in the bucket teebz considering we spend `billions` on obsolete telegraphWire, F35junkcraft, canoes yet to be proven, offshore gulags, open ended wars, towns competing against each other for commgames, limpdicks and fifa. The harry, markle and invictus show seemed to provide value to viewers and those with military grade injuries.

    ____

    Just watching the team stooten meeting in canoeland on my abc. Unfortunately, its still blib.

  233. Shut`It`Down`Teabag permalink
    December 16, 2018 12:46 pm

    NOT claiming that huge spends on invictus or concrete political warFawning objects should replace funding for military grade psychosis and injury treatment; or preventing homelessness teebz. lt shouldn`t.

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    December 16, 2018 1:09 pm

    No problem with Invictus and honestly I like Harry … its the “company” (ie The Firm) he keeps that I dislike and the way people just don’t get that it is the 21st Century not the 12th and they are simply being ripped off left right and centre!

  235. Sing`Like`Canary`Teabag permalink
    December 16, 2018 1:52 pm

    The “ Firm) he keeps that I dislike ” @yes l understand you`re on team repug and think people “ are simply being ripped off left right and centre ” @but this vague general stuff. Be specific. Where? How? etc. These are not an absolute monarchy but merely hood ornaments. Liz didn`t and couldn`t stop any prime meddler goose stepping into the post ww2 war disasters they have; nor forced them to do so. All politicians.

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    December 17, 2018 12:04 am

    tebagz — its about money, greed and power … The Firm is a multinational conglomerate that WE pay for … its fkn stupid … The Firm does nothing but fleece the peasants … the origina ROBBER BARONS !

    Where’s the 21st Century Robin Hood and his Sherwood Foresters!

  237. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 17, 2018 4:25 pm

    You keep stating echo chamber stuff teebz, as l said before, be specific. Who exactly is `we`, and what exactly do `we` pay for? Hint, doco l saw ages ago proved teh-royals were a profit churner for britannia, most of the land, castles etc teh royals use are held in govt/trust, which teh royals cannot sell and pocket. Most of the royal used assets also run as tourist funded or event funded operations, which require none/minimal taxpayer funds. The days of the `colonies` sending chests of gold in homage are also gone long ago, so Aust, kiwiland, canadia, india are off the hook here too.

    Yes, yes, yes. Their luck of birth has given them the ability to be wealthy too by inheriting certain assets. But so too has folks in Aust that inherited thru generations great tracts of land that are often called sheep or cattle stations (kidman) mountain ranges of iron (hancock) or banana, cane and pineapple plantations (guess where). Why fret so hard about the northern hemisphere and ignore under `nose` events?

  238. Dog`Save`The`Thing`Teabag permalink
    December 17, 2018 5:01 pm

    Is anybody else tired of the blib-v-slomo preFedVoteCampaign campaign too, or is it just me. Both are fcuking duds. Tho l am looking forward to seeing gladys booted to oblivion in jonestown.

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    December 17, 2018 5:01 pm

    https://www.businessinsider.com/where-does-the-royal-family-get-money-2017-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T

    And WE is you me and every other tax payer who pay for – for their del>holidaystrips to Australia for the seven governors general …

    If you can’t see the farce here you’ve got the royal virus too …

    One massive marketing exercise for the weak of mind and gullible …

  240. Dog`Save`The`Thing`Teabag permalink
    December 17, 2018 5:47 pm

    Hey trainy trainy, did ya`bother to read ya`own link. lt says (near exactly) the same as l said above. Desperately trying to mix/muddle Aust costs of GovGen`s as cash in pocket for Liz tends to show `repugVirus`.

    Without repug virus; l tend to the recent harry, markle, invictus show under 40-mill as an Aust taxpayer spend with some good bang-for-buck. The did not just invictus, opened warFawning monument, visited peasants in several towns etc All in one hit.

    I suppose you prefer another `fifa` spend?

  241. Do`The`Numbers`Teabag permalink
    December 17, 2018 6:17 pm

    Team repug is basically made up of two demographics; 1) anti-royals, they just dislike or even hate the royals; and 2) dribblers, we want to be an `adult-nation`, a `big-boy` and cut the apron strings to mother britannia by going repug, often couched in FakeIntelectualism.

    l can `respect` the antiRoyals. The `dribblers` are idiotic.

    The membership of both team greenz and team fakeleft obviously have a majority of repugs within their memberships; which at best only plays well in 20 fedVote seats. And gives the zombies a running head start in the other 130 fedVote seats.

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    December 17, 2018 6:22 pm

    trying to mix/muddle Aust costs of GovGen`s as cash in pocket for Liz tends to show `repugVirus`.

    Not cash in pocket for The Firm you twit … its a COST Australia doesn’t need … you drew that conclusion not me – what’s wrong with people’s comprehension here? And why do you all tell me what I didn’t say? (Rhetorical question – I know as well as you do) … if you read the link, The Firm is self sufficient and playing kings and queens is just a joke dodgy brothers marketing exercise … and gets ’em a few million more in the coffers … cutting ribbons and shaking hands and dealing with fawning twits all day is hard work … dontcha know … FFS!

    I support Invictus … I’m an ex-serviceman ya wally … but just what did Australia spend $40 million on? And what a coincidence it was held here? Just after Harry was married – where was the honeymoon again?

    You disappoint me, tbagz … and I see you too try the “insults” to make your “point” with your first three words … don’t work – sticks and stones … (did I mention the drill sergeant?)

    Silly silly …

  243. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 17, 2018 6:31 pm

    I had a look at the link. It says the Queen gets 15% Crown Estates profits. Who gets the other 85%?

    The Monarchy would generate millions in tourist dollars for the Brits. Certainly more than anything that replaced the Monarchy like a President. They provide some interesting ceremonial functions which would be hard to replace by someone else like Trooping of the Colour

  244. Do`The`Numbers`Teabag permalink
    December 17, 2018 7:53 pm

    You “ disappoint me, tbagz .. insults ” Faaarken`ell After accusing me of royalvirus you go all princess over repugVirus! FFS are you in bananaland or boltsville. They don`t even sook like that in southyarra. Let me guess, you`re in moonee fcuking ponds. (-:

    where “ was the honeymoon again? ” Along with invictus, baby bump, new wife markle, warFawning monuments, town hopping and peasant meet and greets. All here. All done in one hit. All done for the one low price under 40-mill. Bang For Buck! Whats not to like? We probably won`t see`em for another decade!

  245. Think`Harder`Teabag permalink
    December 18, 2018 6:08 pm

    The problem with repugVirus blindness is the level of denial involved that would make da-base proud. The main duckieTrust pays Liz a 15% dividend, with 85% going elsewhere. Some of the 85% is sure to go to general treasury; some to duckieTrust asset maintaining. To quibble exactly how the 85% pie is sliced, without knowing who decides; or what traditional documents dictates will become silly.

    Had previous imbeciles in our parliaments had any national/state interest and forethought; they might have noticed the corporate lacky takeover of the parliaments and set up duckieTrusts to protect our state/national assets.

    Had our state/s (say) put sec etsa electricty assets/depts into duckieTrusts with say 1% profit dividend to Liz; then our GovGens would be able to dismiss privateer parliaments for acting against crown. The 1% would have been chickenfeed insurance against the corporate lacky parliaments; and much less than the tripling of electric prices on consumers.

    At the clowntown level, creating a same duckieTrust for telecom would have cut out all the wireCo waste to build something obsolete; as telecom would have just run out fiber in the due course of operations.

    Unfortunately devotionals continue to fight on the fringe over minimal crumbs and continue to make `perfection` and ideology the enemy of the `pretty-good`.

  246. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2018 6:24 pm

    I think it’s fair to say that there is an insulting protocol here, and it’s the original contributors that understand it

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2018 6:40 pm

    Andrew Broad a great example of hypocrisy . Really… he’s behaving like a member of UKs Conservative Party.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/nationals-mp-andrew-broad-to-quit-parliament-over-sugar-daddy-scandal-20181218-p50mwx.html

  248. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 18, 2018 7:38 pm

    ToM

    The nationals seem to be filled with sex addicts and males who cannot keep their dick in their pants and are happy to use taxpayers money to fund their sex holidays.
    Seems like union leaders have nothing on MPs and their theft of taxpayers money at every opportunity 😉

  249. Warez`My`Teabag permalink
    December 18, 2018 7:46 pm

    Well said shane, agree.

    __

    I think it`s fair to say that there is an insulting protocol here, and it`s the original contributors that Don`t understand that Josh is only smoked by an indy if that indy is NON-repug. ln their own electorate!

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    December 18, 2018 8:29 pm

    WTF … no wonder the AFP want to decrypt comments on the interwebby …

    best of luck to them …

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    December 18, 2018 8:33 pm

    Re: Nats Board drama … no mention of Michael McCormack keeping shtum when he knew about it … hoping for a cover up?

    I see he comes from that magic state of conservatism Victoria – long may she shame!

  252. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 18, 2018 9:20 pm

    Did anybody else find the kevin07 speech at the canoeland team meeting a tad repulsive; considering the lot of them spent their efforts knifing each other when in govt.

  253. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2018 9:29 am

    I see that Labor has been raided …. again, in a highly publicised, and what looks to be leaked, raid by ICAC ………. over donations that they have already fully revealed.

    “NSW Labor is aware of extensive media coverage today of an investigation into historic political donation matters,” he said.

    “The donations in question were received in 2015 and have been fully investigated by the NSW Electoral Commission with the full cooperation of NSW Labor, including the provision of all relevant documents.”

    It is so obvious now that these are purely political mud slinging exercises.

    Meanwhile, the actual grubmint continue to pursue quite probably illegal means to kick those less well off.

    I knew it was immoral, thought it was illegal, now I know

    Centrelink’s “robo-debt” system is a form of illegal extortion allowed by failings across a “plethora” of democratic and legal institutions, according to a former member of the administrative appeals tribunal.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/18/expert-attacks-centrelink-robo-debt-and-moral-bankruptcy-that-allows-it

  254. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 19, 2018 3:51 pm

    What planet are these federal government idiots on. Every state minister that has spoken has said the COAG meeting was a disaster, even NSW Minister.

    Then Angus Taylor comes and speaks saying how great the meeting was. It is a disgrace, these fucking idiots are just getting worse and worse.

    NSW realises that even they are in trouble come the next election, yet the redneck religious right wing nutters at the federal level are so blind and so stupid and so dumb and so unbelievably self absorbed that I hope so many of them are thrown on the scrapheap by the voters.

  255. shaneinqld permalink
    December 19, 2018 3:53 pm

    Also the fucking idiot Angus keeps spouting about keeping the lights on. The fucking lights have stayed on all the time you idiot. They only went out when the towers were knocked down by a severe storm. They have never gone out because of renewables.

  256. shaneinqld permalink
    December 19, 2018 4:15 pm

    Private Health Insurance to rise on average 3.25% which once again is well above inflation.

    I stayed 1 night in a private hospital while being tested for sleep apnea. The hospital itself provided the room and nothing more, the tests were being completed by a totally separate company. No food, no breakfast, in at 6pm out at 6am and it cost my health insurer $1,025 for the room alone. No wonder the cost of health insurance is so expensive. I could have stayed in a 5 star hotel with all the trimmings for a third of the price. The hospital is one of those so called christian not for profit hospitals. Not for profit, what a croc of utter shit !!!!

  257. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 19, 2018 4:41 pm

    Shane

    Looks like your dream will come true. We will have a righteous Labor govt which will lock up people humanely. Increase our debt humanely etc

  258. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 19, 2018 4:51 pm

    That`s the problem with parliaments filled with corporate lackys shane. Everything gets reduced in quality and is overpriced to become a mere profit churner; or is asset stripped and knowledgeable tossed on scrap heap. These imbecile will be shown to have been totally destructive to their countries and the world as global cooling ramps up.

    ____

    On the tech side; l saw a doco not too long ago that there is a battery shortage. (rechargeable for renews) lndia and china aren`t making/ exporting enough to europe, so germany is building a state of the art battery factory. Our govt missed this business opportunity, too busy distracting itself bullying gays and peddling coal and fcuking the powerGrid and wireCo. On the upside; germany will be using some of our glorified dirt delivery service.

  259. shaneinqld permalink
    December 19, 2018 5:00 pm

    Teabag

    I honestly believe that our generation will be hated and detested in the annuls of history based on our destruction of the planet, its flora and fauna, climate change and the concentration of wealth and assets in the hands of so few, when it was once all owned by the whole population.

    Our current government cannot see past coal and oil, it just amazes me. They are not the future in any shape, but the old rich bastards who own the companies keep paying off the LNP right wingers and religious nutters to keep telling lies and keep supporting them for better or worse.

  260. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 19, 2018 5:53 pm

    Shane

    We Australians have the wealth. Even the poorest Australian is better off than millions if not billions of people on this planet.

    And the day the ALP bans coal exports is the day I will believe the ALP actually believes that coal is bad for humanity

  261. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    December 19, 2018 6:53 pm

    Pointless comment as usual. “ We .. have the wealth ” Which is immediately pissed away on waste and does the nation no good.

  262. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 19, 2018 7:49 pm

    Shanes comment was pointless. He is so stupid he does not realise that he is one of the few where the wealth has been concentrated. As Australians we are the people where the wealth has been concentrated. We are so much better off than most of the planet it is not funny. Even the poor in this country have access to flush toilets

  263. Glug`Glug`Glug`Teabag permalink
    December 19, 2018 8:00 pm

    I don`t know if there will be much in the way of “ annuls of history ” shane. l have always thought kyoto was probably too late; the primates are not waiting for no space rock; the primates in charge had already decided to consume all they could of the planet; and we are heading towards our near extinction experience or e.l.e. To me, the evidence has always been; three quarters of the university grade imbeciles don`t really get it.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2018 8:10 pm

    Which is immediately pissed away on waste and does the nation no good.

    Especially on the Royal Windsor Corporation Unlimited …

    Pointless comment as usual.

    Agree …

    Not only pointless but untrue …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/16/more-than-three-million-australians-living-in-poverty-acoss-report-reveals

    3,000 Australian Diggers HOMELESS!

    $500,000,000 for War Memorial to display trucks and planes …

    Wealthy bt fucking stupidly dumb morons running the joints!

    What happened to listening to the people (who OWN parliament*) not the fucking $orporate$!

    * and I hope the right wing dickheads get the message good and strong next year!

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2018 8:17 pm

    … three quarters of the university grade imbeciles don`t really get it.

    Oh! Its their fault … WTF … its greedy corporate pricks (and most of them don’t have a degree) … what has a uni degree got to do with stupid government pollies being greased (in so many ways) by the big corps – and let’s not forget Rupie M?

    ‘Cause people have a degree? Between you and Neel this week and ToM last week … I know what the issue is … and it ain’t uni undergrads … FFS! Grow up.

  266. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 19, 2018 8:36 pm

    TB

    Next year you can start locking up children again. Increase the budget deficit. Increase the number of people without jobs. further destroy what manufacturing industry we have.

    Why do you get pleasure destroying the lives of people?

  267. Glug`Glug`Glug`Teabag permalink
    December 19, 2018 8:42 pm

    Look harder teebz; you will easily find a politico, boardroom, FakeNews echo chamber ignoring the majority and physics; among university grade imbeciles. l will point you in the correct direction to get you started. Janet albrectsen is a lawyer that spent lots of effort on weather denial for Limitednews. Watchdogs of the banks. Didn`t.

  268. Glug`Glug`Glug`Teabag permalink
    December 19, 2018 8:51 pm

    Teebz, if you want a working example, head over to my abc and watch a show hosted by Ali Moore (female) with exPremier brumby and a bunch of university types. lt has a catostrophic fatal flaw in it. Tell me if you find it.

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2018 9:49 pm

    Tell me if you find it.

    Ahhh … you think people with a degree should be smarter than you … silly boy ..

  270. How`Drunk`R`U`Teabag permalink
    December 19, 2018 10:19 pm

    Ya reckon.

    three quarters of the university grade imbeciles don`t really get it.

    Seems l indicated earlier the majority of`em are dense. And you got unhinged.

  271. Open`Your`Eyes`Teabag permalink
    December 19, 2018 11:01 pm

    Which is immediately pissed away on waste and does the nation no good.

    Especially on the Royal Windsor Corporation

    Teebz, you`re showing your repug blindness again. Go and see how much Aust spent on `where the bloody hell are you` campaign with bingle; and hoges `toss another shrimp on the bar-bee` campaign; per slot; per country.

    The under 40-mill harry, markle and invictus show was a pure bargain; a fact; not my opinion; that appeared in multiple countries; on multiple networks; on news around the globe.

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2018 11:22 pm

    Oh! You do have a degree …

  273. Curing`Repug`Blindness`Teabag permalink
    December 19, 2018 11:27 pm

    So where the bloody hell are you? was a A$180 million advertising campaign launched by Tourism Australia in 2006. (wiki)

    https://www.smartcompany.com.au/marketing/advertising/tourism-australia-airs-dundee-super-bowl-ad/

    Australia`s tourism body has revealed marketing for what many thought was a real Crocodile Dundee sequel has, in fact, been a tourism campaign all along, airing the final piece of the puzzle at the US Super Bowl.

    The tourism advertisement, aired at the sporting event which holds the title of the most-watched US TV broadcast each year, is part of a larger $36-million campaign to attract the US market.

    The campaign aired at half-time in the Super Bowl and sparked speculation an actual Crocodile Dundee sequel was in the works.

    Bang For Bucks Numb Nuts (-:

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2018 11:28 am

    Describes the Septic Tanks … ignorant, sexist … and dumb …

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/netball/americas-clueless-reaction-to-netball-celebration/news-story/6645026087500c0404a4326272b2bb8a

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2018 11:34 am

    Go and see how much Aust spent on `where the bloody hell are you` campaign

    And you know who was responsible for that fiasco?

    You see the Windsors (or should we say Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) as an advertising advantage … I see it as a cost to the nation … and yes I am a Republican … and I don’t believe in the divine right of kings … power by birthright is a stupid concept for stupid people … just as religion by force and fantasy is …

  276. Reality`Check`Teabag permalink
    December 20, 2018 12:53 pm

    fiasco? ” or not. lt is neither here nor there. The 36-mill was spent. Like you now; l would normally bleat about royal taxpayer costs to Aust treasury`n taxpayer. But as l`m not blinded by the team repug echo chamber; l quickly realized the harry, markle, invictus show had huge bang for bucks when vice, pbs, bbc, deucheWelle, france24, aljazeeraEnglish all were transmitting the show to their respective viewers. So l had to concede to myself the show had a huge bang for bucks.

    ____

    And this; “ Oh! You do have a degree ” just proves my point. You know damn well l am not contaminated with university grade blindness; but that can`t be seen by those self impressed with the university grade bullshit. As long as an imbecile has a uni-cert the echo chamber is impressed and the imbecile is fawned over.

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2018 2:42 pm

    If only everyone was uneducated. The world would be a far happier place!

    In other word – ignorance is bliss.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2018 3:15 pm

    Chuckle … @ ToM 🙂

  279. Warez`My`Teabag permalink
    December 20, 2018 3:16 pm

    Oh look! Somebody else wants a smack!

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2018 4:30 pm

    The average IQ for the population is 100. The average IQ for people with a degree is 112 to 120.

    There seems to be ample evidence of that here

  281. Warez`My`Teabag permalink
    December 20, 2018 4:46 pm

    Now we`re trotting out mensa! (another echo chamber of pre agreed echo chambering and self congratulation) Well Done!

  282. Warez`My`Teabag permalink
    December 20, 2018 5:43 pm

    characteristics+of+an+unintelligent+person

    Ignoring notams? Flying 100s of consumers over live volcanos or white hot battle fields? Or just following teebz down the reality denial rabbit hole alice?

  283. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2018 6:10 pm

    https://www.google.com/search?q=fuckwit&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjo_t-N7K3fAhXDCCsKHbKzDVAQ2-cCegQIABAB&oq=fuckwit&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3…4361.11633..12667…1.0..1.413.5933.3-12j4……0….1…….5..0j35i39j0i67.4FpPYA_fT8E&ei=PT8bXKjsHcORrAGy57aABQ&client=ms-android-telstra-au&prmd=ivmn&biw=412&bih=604#imgrc=_cTMI61wTx3SiM

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2018 6:18 pm

    Or just following teebz down the reality denial rabbit hole alice?

    Fiction? As a defence? Ahhh I get it the queen of hearts …and Liz II both fictional characters

  285. Warez`My`Teabag permalink
    December 20, 2018 6:48 pm

    Of course you are engaging in reality denial. Context is king. Primates destroying planet, global cooling. Fossilcorp boardrooms with a small army of lawyers, taxagents and communicationsLiars; mostly university grade imbecile; diligently working against the survival ability of their own baby primates. Politicians, similar army of mediaWranglers, advisers, chiefsOfStaffs, spinDoctorLiars; also mostly university grade imbecile. FakeNews legacy outlets; DITTO. (what? you want to blame brickies and plumbers?) FMD

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2018 6:54 pm

    Talks like Trump

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2018 8:16 pm

    mostly university grade imbecile;

    Glad you said “mostly”

    (what? you want to blame brickies and plumbers?) FMD

    YES! As a tradie – with a degree! That’s insulting to tradies … you paint (‘scuse the pun Dad!) tradies as not having the same say as undergraduates … well they do … its called compulsory voting … boof!

    27% of Aussie have a degree …

  288. December 21, 2018 1:09 am

    “If only everyone was uneducated. The world would be a far happier place!

    In other word – ignorance is bliss.”

    The very antithesis of my worldview.

    Lucky I know you’re taking the absolute piss, YomM.

  289. December 21, 2018 1:17 am

    I have no degree, but my IQ is ‘well above’ your upper range for the average IQ for ‘people with a degree’.

    I must also say that it’s a bit of a bullshit way of ‘measuring’ ‘intelligence’, but I’ve done their tests a few times, and on their scales, I am always in a very similar spot.

    Having said that, I helped my daughter study for the UMAT, for the last twelve months, and it really does seem like a deleterious way of creating entry requirements for Medicine. Strange. She did well, obviously, but I’m intimately acquainted with it now…and I think it’s a stupid criteria.

    Such metrics are not necessarily a useful way of finding the best individuals for the role, so to speak.

    I’m quite confident I outrank most of the degree holders I work with/around, IQ-wise at least.

  290. Tom R permalink
    December 21, 2018 10:53 am

    characteristics+of+an+unintelligent+person

    Counting Coloured Cartons?

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2018 11:04 am

    I’m quite confident I outrank most of the degree holders I work with/around, IQ-wise at least.

    I’d be confident too, toylet. Agree – I think it’s a stupid criteria

    My kids have all been brainwashed – Learn the system and use it to your advantage – Don’t cheat …

    Talking about our girls … my favourite (only) grand-daughter rang yesterday … she has been accepted into ACU for a double in Nursing/Paramedics … she passed her driving test on Wednesday and received news of her OP4 on Monday (1-25 1 highest) …

    Some other good news but won’t bore the listeners.

    Early Family Xmas Dinner tonight (12 of us) … should be fun! (It will be fun!!!)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just watched the last ep of “Das Boot” on SBS On Demand last night … expect series 2 next year!

    We’re also in the middle of “Salvation” … S01 (there is a S02)

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2018 11:22 am

    Trump is such a success – another one goes. He’s doing so well !!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trumps-defence-secretary-james-mattis-quits-after-decision-to-withdraw-from-syria/news-story/a9280c36528b33de756cf8af56697f75
    ———–
    Yes, a degree isn’t a particular reflection of an individual’s intelligence, but it can put some structure around thinking. And generally requires rational construction of sentences.

    HD shows all this and more, without tertiary qualifications, others without a degree demonstrate neither

  293. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2018 11:36 am

    These are not an absolute monarchy but merely hood ornaments. Liz didn`t and couldn`t stop any prime meddler goose stepping into the post ww2 war disasters they have; nor forced them to do so.

    I don’t think that is true. Queen Elizabeth is the Monarch so she could sack the Parliament if she wanted to. But the Monarch and Parliament have appeared to come to a gentlemens agreement that if the Monarch does not get involved in politics the Parliament will allow the Monarchy to continue. I still think the Monarchy is useful for Britain even if it is only a tourist attraction. But Harry got those games going. I doubt if anyone else would have

  294. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2018 1:06 pm

    No thanks. Additional windbags are not required in parliament

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/rob-oakeshott-preparing-to-announce-he-will-contest-the-2019-election-20181220-p50nj4.html

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2018 1:10 pm

    HD shows all this and more, without tertiary qualifications, others without a degree demonstrate neither

    In fact I’ve come across some very naive (that’s the nice word) undergraduates and indeed graduates …

    I think the benefit of a degree or higher is a demonstration the ability to research and develop an intellectual structure from that knowledge … it doesn’t always work that way unfortunately …

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2018 1:17 pm

    But Harry got those games going. I doubt if anyone else would have

    I agree as an ex-serviceman I salute Harry and his idea … he has used his Royal Title to good advantage … but The Firm has not donated a farthing to Invictus …

    As with most subjects discussed here you have no idea of the reality … Queen Elizabeth is the Monarch so she could sack the Parliament if she wanted to. … no she cannot – it requires a vote of two thirds of parliament to dissolve it … it is a 2011 Act … look it up …

    … have you ever checked any factual information discussed here?

  297. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    December 21, 2018 1:47 pm

    Yes, ” a degree isn`t a particular reflection of an individual`s intelligence ”

    @correct, and regularly displayed (-:

    but ” it can put some structure around thinking ”

    @also known as an echo chamber

    And ” generally requires rational construction of sentences ”

    @ .. l .. quite enjoy .. tbs dots .. and spleling .. misteaks .. keep the .. soft of mind .. busy!

    HD ” shows all this and more, without tertiary qualifications, others with a degree demonstrate neither ”

    ___

    Merry Giftmas folks and may all your holiday dreams be wet.

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2018 4:51 pm

    and spleling .. misteaks

    LOL!

    The occasional “your – ‘re – methinks …

  299. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2018 6:01 pm

    TB

    QE2 is the Monarch. So she has to have some power to do something. Over the centuries the Monarchs govt functions were slowly taken over by Parliament. But she has to have some power left to do something, I am not sure what, otherwise she is not the Monarch

  300. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 21, 2018 6:23 pm

    lt would be easy to point to local past success stories like; telstra to wireCo; powerGrid utility market and global cooling as we discuss (teamCheer) university grade imbecile. But what do we all think when it comes to cambridge analytica and todays story of china hacking major data center storage. Are we all going to give the mostly university grade imbeciles the free pass; and blame the brickies and plumbers again?

  301. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2018 7:07 pm

    Is there any (sane) person around who thinks Trump is fit to be President?

  302. Enemy`Of`The`People`Teabag permalink
    December 21, 2018 9:01 pm

    Look at clowntown. Who says leaders are fit for purpose?

  303. December 22, 2018 12:24 am

    Great news about the grand daughter, TB!

    I’ll be looking up Das Boot too. I thought it was just the movie!

    Have you played Battlefield V? Back to WWII. I love my Stuka, MG42, Spitfire etc…haha.

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2018 12:35 am

    Thanks, toylet … great family night, everyone just left …

    I bought Battlefield 1 – hardly played … my all time favourite was BF II … Wake Island ring a bell?

    I played as a squad member with my (then) three grandsons and son … the youngest*, nine, or ten, then, played medic and made sure I was always revived!

    My son would ring me up late Sundays and ask me if I wanted to go a-sniping … great fun I’d spot for him … he’d do the hits … I remember getting lost in the swamps in a jeep one night …

    *He’s 20 now and we play Age of Mythology most Sundays for about six hours … clobbers the crap out of me!

    I’m learning tho’ … ’tis like chess, the more you lose the more you learn … UNTIL!

  305. December 22, 2018 12:36 am

    “I think the benefit of a degree or higher is a demonstration the ability to research and develop an intellectual structure from that knowledge … it doesn’t always work that way unfortunately …”

    I agree.

    And please, don’t get me wrong, I believe in Higher Education. I should’ve stayed there; I probably would have avoided shift work.
    I went far enough with it to understand, and have experienced the benefits of what you both mean by ‘research & intellectual structure’.
    On the other hand, by just being a ‘grunt’ (for want of a better word) in the workforce, I can relate to most other (employed) people & certainly don’t have airs or fancies. I also respect some of the blokes I’ve worked with for their practical & technical skills above all else; it’s own kind of wisdom & intelligence. The ‘engineers’ I know almost always FAIL at such things. I try to emulate the hard working, canny, fair, hands-on but capable of intricate problem solving individuals I spend a lot of time with. Most of them couldn’t give two squirts about geopolitical issues…which is where I align with many of those I enjoy here.

    It’s a good thing to be a mixture of all sorts of complicated, layered, nuanced ideas, influences & people.

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2018 12:36 am

    Is there any (sane) person around who thinks Trump is fit to be President?

    Morrison … oh! Wait!

  307. December 22, 2018 12:39 am

    “Merry Giftmas folks and may all your holiday dreams be wet.”

    Same to you.

    The best thing about wet dreaming is they’re so fucking random, haha.

    also *fuck cuntmas!

  308. December 22, 2018 12:46 am

    “I’m learning tho’ … ’tis like chess, the more you lose the more you learn … UNTIL!”

    Excellent work!

    There’s a lot of bad press about BFV, but I love it. I’m a bit of a WWII history tragic (and it violates that a lot, haha)…but the materiel! The uniforms! etc…

    My youngster is about to fly the nest. I take some solace in the fact that she plays this stuff with me online & it can/should/will be like having a phone conversation while we shoot/build/explore. The world has changed a fuckload in the last couple of decades (and prior too, I know…but the communication revolution is pronounced…we can be separated by +100’s of km’s & still talk like we’re sitting on the same couch. Sharing sights & sounds is virtually a norm now).

  309. December 22, 2018 12:49 am

    Did I mention…Fuck Hereditary Entitlement…and, even more…Fuck Those Who Support Or Bow To The Concept Of Hereditary Entitlement. ie The Monarchy

    Can anyone else see the suppurating lesser Trump dynasty, Ivanka/Kushner, waiting in the entitled wings? All it takes is enough ignorant, enraptured fuckheads to make it reality.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  310. December 22, 2018 12:51 am

    Mattis bailing out is genuinely concerning.

    Not even funny.

  311. December 22, 2018 12:56 am

    “Is there any (sane) person around who thinks Trump is fit to be President?”

    Have a look at my incredulous bolt trolling.

    It’s very easy to spot me.

    The incredulity is borne by a recognition that plenty will march in lockstep with Trump (even here, in our country)…no matter what indefensible, ignorant, barely coherent, grifting, demonstrably dishonest shit he does then, now or into the future. I mean…What The Actual Fuck!

    He’s a dangerous, populist fuckwit.

  312. December 22, 2018 1:00 am

    Wake Island was a great map (for BF).

    I hope they redo it, again.

    I play in 4K HDR, it is phenomenal.

  313. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 22, 2018 11:24 am

    Now we know who the fucking leaners in this country are. mob of arseholes and thieves.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/22/australian-mps-who-billed-taxpayers-for-trips-copying-and-pasting-text-for-reports

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2018 11:31 am

    Did I mention…Fuck Hereditary Entitlement…and, even more…Fuck Those Who Support Or Bow To The Concept Of Hereditary Entitlement. ie The Monarchy

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2018 11:36 am

    Did I mention…Fuck Hereditary Entitlement…and, even more…Fuck Those Who Support Or Bow To The Concept Of Hereditary Entitlement. ie The Monarchy

    If a group of people agree to a form of govt I see nothing wrong with that. The Brits have a very very very limited Monarchy with little govt power. It is mainly a ceremonial role which brings in lots of tourist dollars

    Plus the Brits are not harming people. The French got rid of their Monarchy and out of that came Napoleon. The Russians got rid of their monarchy and out of that came communism and the gulags. The Germans got rid of their monarchy and out of that came Hitler.

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2018 1:15 pm

    You do know WHY those countries got rid of their monarchs … nah, probably not …

    creepy alright … false smiles … and the eyes … “we’re coming to get you” … eerie

  317. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 22, 2018 1:48 pm

    I don’t care at all if the UK retains the monarchy. It probably works for them. Although the House of Lords seems bizarre.

    It’s Australia’s retention of the system that really irks me. The Queen would never dismiss a government. The act would risk the continuation of the monarchy if the sacked government was returned.

    But an Australian Governor General can take that risk, the GG is more powerful than the Queen

  318. Steel`Slats`Teabag permalink
    December 22, 2018 1:54 pm

    To squirt, or not to squirt? That is our question. There is multi nation teabag panic over china hacking the data centers. The university grade imbecile decided to expose the data to the world using convenience and cost savings as the excuse. What a fcuking surprise it got hacked.

    Politically, decades of corralling herds of imbecile, cheating, lying and ripping off voter citizens. What a surprise there is theRonald and brexit.

    Primates abusing the planet, and jonestown has gone from drought and heatwave to icebergs from the sky wrecking half the town. What a surprise.

    As more teabag panic sets in; primates will turn to leaders not fit for purpose to provide solutions that will be as effective as skyfairy.

  319. Six`Of`One`Teabag permalink
    December 22, 2018 2:30 pm

    On ” dynasty ” dunny. l haven`t seen anything on the repug side. On the dems there has been efforts to renew the dems machinery and move their antiques along, and pushing chelsea clinton as the name to be one of those new drivers of the machinery.

  320. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2018 2:37 pm

    “I don’t care at all if the UK retains the monarchy. It probably works for them. Although the House of Lords seems bizarre. ”

    Tom

    Like most Australians I had no idea where parliament came from but its history is fascinating. It started as an advisory body to the Monarch, got the taxing power, evolved into parliament and then over centuries slowly stripped away the Monarchs power.

    England was a Republic once. Under Cromwell they abolished the Monarchy and got rid of the House of Lords. But the Republic did not work so they brought back the Monarchy and the House of Lords. I found this interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_reform_of_the_House_of_Lords#Abolition_of_the_House_of_Lords,_1649

    This is what Cromwell, a Republican, did in 1649


    The Commons of England assembled in Parliament, finding by too long experience that the House of Lords is useless and dangerous to the people of England to be continued, have thought fit to ordain and enact, and be it ordained and enacted by this present Parliament, and by the authority of the same, that from henceforth the House of Lords in Parliament shall be and is hereby wholly abolished and taken away; and that the Lords shall not from henceforth meet or sit in the said House called the Lords’ House, or in any other house or place whatsoever”

  321. Half`Dozen`Of`Other`Teabag permalink
    December 22, 2018 3:12 pm

    really “ irks me. The Queen ” So you are on team repug too yomm. You probably won`t enjoy the next fedVote as blue ribbon teabag and teabumpkin seats usually have a strong dislike of the repug idea. They won`t go greenz, and probably won`t go team stooten, and can`t switch to teabumpkin because of the `no-compete` agreement. I think by the time the fedVote comes around, boltsville and jonestown teabags won`t be getting quite the hammering the echo chambers are now claiming, tho electorate by electorate it will be very entertaining.

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2018 5:12 pm

    Although the House of Lords seems bizarre.

    It’s Australia’s retention of the system that really irks me.

    Agree with both statements …

    The Queen would never dismiss a government … But an Australian Governor General can take that risk

    The Whitlam Dismissal was cleverly contrived between Fraser, the GG and collusion with the queen … however, Fraser did block supply – and that’s enough to go to the GG with …

    In the UK …

    The Queen has the power to form governments. The Queen previously wielded the power to dissolve Parliament and call a general election, but the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act put an end to that in 2011. Now a two-thirds vote in the commons is required to dissolve Parliament before a five-year fixed-term is up.

    As Neeel constantly flogs they are good for tourism and not much else in the UK … in Australia they are simply a cost … its like paying for a board of directors in London when you are the owner of the the company in Sydney … pretty useless maybe a tax dodge … but still an unwanted cost …

    Especially if the Managing Director is a multi billionaire (probably) … and a shared interest with Malfunction TurnAbbott!

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/revealed-queen-private-estate-invested-offshore-paradise-papers

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2018 5:37 pm

    Like most Australians I had no idea where parliament came from but its history is fascinating. It started as an advisory body to the Monarch, got the taxing power, evolved into parliament and then over centuries slowly stripped away the Monarchs power.

    And you still don’t know .

    1. You need to study the Viking history for the first parliament … Althing … and Jorvik (York) was the largest Viking city in Britain … occupied in 866 …

    2. As for English Parliament you need to begin with the Magna Carta

    3. Richard 1 The Lionheart … first raised taxes for the second (I think) crusade.

    William Pitt introduced income tax to raise money for the Napoleonic Wars – and its being going on since!

    4. The Monarchy’s power has been stripped … it cost two kings their heads … one before and one after Cromwell became the Puritan Dictator … HOWEVER …

    The British Monarchy holds a huge amount of historic property in the UK, which is managed by the Crown Estate.

    The Crown Estate announced in June last year that it returned a record £328.8 million ($US464 million) to the Treasury in 2016 as the value of the overall estate rose to an astonishing £13.1 billion ($US18.5 billion).

    Under current arrangements, the Queen receives 25% of the Crown Estate’s revenues in the form of a Sovereign Grant, which is used to fund her official work and the upkeep of her residences.

    Alongside property historically owned by the monarchy, the Queen also personally owns property assets – rather those attached to the office of the monarch – and her holdings include some of the grandest properties in Britain.

    Business Insider took a look at the most spectacular royal assets. The list includes some of the country’s best-known buildings: Iconic race courses, grand hotels, historic castles, and an offshore energy portfolio worth over £1 billion ($US1.4 billion).

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-much-of-the-uk-does-the-queen-own-2017-6?r=US&IR=T

    Why do we have a Head of State with power over Australia given by Divine Right*, lounging 17,000 km away in London, again?

    If you believe that stuff in 2018 …

    (Going to have a rest before the next contrived comment)

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2018 5:38 pm

    Aw shit its here already!

  325. Dog`Save`The`Thing`Teabag permalink
    December 22, 2018 6:30 pm

    Yet everybody on team repug fail to address what goes on in Aust. We already had repugs-v-Liz and followed l`m-a-strong elizabethan-leader and hopeful-founding father-keating down the dead-end rabbit hole. Folks are still distracting themselves with a `goal` that has move further away. This distraction means more often than not team greenz and team me-too die in the ditch at fedVote elections and allow the zombies to trudge over the line.

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2018 6:48 pm

    Trump calls for The Nuclear Option … what a dumb title … especially considering all the people in the US and around the world don’t know what it really means!

    Bunch of Fuckwits!

    https://www.vox.com/2018/12/21/18151744/nuclear-option-explained-senate-trump

    I wake every morning and think “has Trump gone?” … every time I check the news I think :has Trump gone” …

    Is there a Crowdfund to get rid of the fkn moron! He’s caused more damage than the GFC in less time!

  327. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2018 9:47 pm

    “And you still don’t know .”

    What did I say wrong? Parliament evolved from the Monarchs advisory body. When the King was the govt he had all power but not all knowledge. So the Monarch had a council which advised him. Parliament arose from that body

  328. December 23, 2018 12:42 am

    I like Trump’s (on the record, live in technicolor) statements chest thumping about owning the government shutdown…only to seamlessly pivot into the exact opposite within a matter of days.

    I can only assume that he recognises that his limpets have VERY short attention spans.

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2018 12:16 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/23/catholic-archbishop-australia-secularism-threats-to-religious-freedoms

    This arrogant prick wants to get his own house in order before he starts pontificating about “hard edged secularism” …

    Catholic hypocrisy is unfknbelievabel … in so many ways!

  330. Lights`Camera`Action`Teabag permalink
    December 23, 2018 2:37 pm

    Waking up in a squirt over theRonald each morning won`t do you any good. You would do yourself a favor by developing a robust sense of humor (as theRonald has another 6-year deal with the networks that will be piped into your life via the idiot box). To develop your sense of humor, all you need to do is imagine yourself as a bottom rung pleb in planetcorp and watch the primates get sillier the higher up they are. Don`t Fret. Sit back and enjoy the show. (its a disaster film)

  331. Shut`It`Down`Teabag permalink
    December 23, 2018 4:09 pm

    An increased rate of melting was detected in the ice cores beginning in the mid-1800s, which was around the same time as the onset of industrial-era Arctic warming.

    But it was only during the 1970s that the melting clearly breached the natural range of variability.

    In other words, we expect to see some differences in melting between years, but during the 1970s that melting occurred on a scale beyond what could possibly be explained by a fluctuation around a stable average of ice cover.

    Over 7 metres of sea-level rise locked in Greenland ice sheet

    Significantly, they’ve confirmed that the increasing melting rate is following an exponential trajectory, caused by positive feedbacks like the albedo effect, according to Dr Trusel.

    The albedo effect describes the phenomenon where dark surfaces absorb more heat than reflective white surfaces like ice and snow.

    As ice melts, the darker ground beneath absorbs more energy from the sun, which causes even more melting – creating a feedback loop.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-12-06/greenland-ice-sheet-melting-accelerating/10581980

    @the great thing about a feedback loop is; they are even more predictable than an echo chamber

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2018 10:00 pm

    The Prime Preacher has just put 600 Aussie Digger at extreme risk!

    How do we elect these fucking morons … and Labor opting for a “bipartisan” stance is fkn ludicrous …

    I have reached a stage of despair with dopey politicians who will never have to fire a weapon, never have to live on the Centrelink pension, never have children on Newstart, never lived in the bush or worked in factory or a busy call centre … and never been poor!

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2018 10:05 pm

    You do not leave 600 troops with limited or no support in a highly volatile location … unless you have NOT been informed by the US (TRUMP) of an imminent withdrawal and have no clue what to do …

    Morrison is probably happy clapping at his church as Diggers are at “stand to” and wait for the first Taliban resurgence …

    FUCKING STUPID MORONS!

  334. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 23, 2018 11:22 pm

    TB

    Your link said that the US is withdrawing troops from Syria and Afghanistan. It says nowhere that our 600 troops would be left with little or no support

  335. Cut`The`Wires`Teabag permalink
    December 23, 2018 11:47 pm

    There is 7.7billion primates on the planet and enough firepower to murder each of them several times over. We don`t have enough body bags.

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2018 10:40 am

    Seasons greetings to all!!

    And that’s as sincere as it gets!!

  337. Ka`Booom`Teabag permalink
    December 24, 2018 12:43 pm

    Krakatoa blew its volcanic gasket. Wonder how it will effect flights, reb might be stuck in penang for a while this year.

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2018 6:40 pm

    But when Trump abandons the fight against Islamic State terrorists and places British, Kurdish and other allied forces in Syria and Afghanistan at increased risk by withdrawing US troops, as he did last week, when he ignores European partners and does the bidding of authoritarian leaders hostile to western democratic values, and when he indulges in a destructive tariff war that helped crash the markets last week, stokes international tensions and threatens global prosperity, then his reckless behaviour is everybody’s business.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/23/observer-view-on-donald-trump-reckless-behaviour

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2018 6:43 pm

    Have an Enjoyable and Safe Yuletide Everyone!

    Commenters and Watchers included … you know who you are … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToM, I look forward to our discussions and skirmishers next year … and that’s as sincere as it gets … 🙂

  340. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 24, 2018 7:08 pm

    Tb

    Trump withdrawed all US troops from Syria. He withdrew the majority of US troops from Afghanistan

    He did not leave 600 Aussie troops in danger as you stated

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2018 7:21 pm

    He did not leave 600 Aussie troops in danger as you stated

    What size are the two NATO rounds … and what size is a Kalashnikov round …

  342. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 24, 2018 7:58 pm

    TB

    You sated there were 600 Aussie troops now in danger. Prove it.The USA has removed all US troops from Syria and most but not all from Afghanistan. In iraq the USA is still there

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2018 8:03 pm

    Answer my question Neel …

    OR STFU!

  344. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 25, 2018 5:48 am

    Merry Christmas to all, to you and those you love, even Neil, however any response from Neil will be scrolled on past.

  345. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 25, 2018 2:27 pm

    TB

    You said our PM is putting 600 aussie troops at risk. Why? The USA is withdrawing all troops from Syria and half the 14,000 troops in Afghanistan. That still leaves 7,000. And no US troops and being withdrawn from Iraq

  346. December 25, 2018 4:22 pm

    Happy Christmas everyone..!! 🙂🥳

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    December 25, 2018 9:44 pm

    G’day, sreb … Merry Yuletide to you a V.

    A big thanks for keeping this place running in 2018 …

  348. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 26, 2018 9:47 am

    Hello reb! And seasons greetings to you!

  349. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    December 26, 2018 1:29 pm

    Developer Ecove has confirmed that evacuated apartment block the Opal Tower in Sydney Olympic Park is safe for occupation following investigations by two structural engineers late on Christmas Eve.

    But although the building was declared safe, engineers would be further investigating 51 apartments to determine the cause of the `cracking` sounds and building movements.

    We `confirm that late last night two structural engineers approved the building safe for occupation and 341 apartments were re-opened for resident access,` Ecove chief executive Bassam Aflak said.

    https://www.afr.com/news/sydneys-opal-tower-51-units-in-olympic-park-highrise-deemed-unsafe-20181226-h19gpz

    @looks like jonestown beats boltsville again. lt took about 18months for boltsville docklands tower to burst into flames. This thing was only finished 4months ago and the residents haven`t even moved in! This will be the gift that keeps on giving, as the new crumbling building on gladys watch. (-:

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    December 26, 2018 7:34 pm

    Late Christmas present, ToM …

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/dec/26/donald-trump-quiz-of-2018

    I missed one …

  351. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 26, 2018 9:06 pm

    I got 1 wrong too TB, 11/12 must signify intelligence!

  352. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 26, 2018 9:09 pm

    I think the term Trump should be an insult. Maybe a Trunt

  353. Barbed`Wire`Used`Properly`Can`Be`A`Beautiful`Sight`Teabag permalink
    December 27, 2018 12:50 am

    Only an echo chamber filled with SaveTheSwampers would bother to remember all the silly things theRonald has spouted. The legacy FakeNews outlets have way too much time on their hands and should probably spend less time on twitter. @guardian

  354. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2018 10:40 am

    Those that make excuses for Trump are also Trunts

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2018 11:07 am

    Rhymes with? I see your modus … 🙂

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2018 2:32 pm

    I’m just at the coast and it seems that obese people are more inclined to cover their fleshy expanse with tattoos.

    Is it intended as a distraction? Or are tattois slimming?

    Regardless, I think it’s time for beach inspectors – “I’m sorry sir/ madam, if you wish to remain in the beach you will have to either put a full wetsuit on, a tracksuit or remain in your beach tent”

    Yes it’s time to restore some standards here!

  357. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 27, 2018 2:41 pm

    I see those with university grade trainy trainy are enjoying their `structuresd` `thinking` within their echo chamber today. Enjoy!

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2018 3:23 pm

    Oh look, there’s a fat Trunt, probably with a tattoo

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2018 6:01 pm

    I got 1 wrong too TB, 11/12 must signify intelligence!

    As usual (at Yuletide) I wholeheartedly agree with you conclusion, ToM.

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2018 6:03 pm

    I see those with university grade trainy trainy are enjoying their `structuresd` `thinking` within their echo chamber today. Enjoy!

    I suspect, (never sure), that whiny, whiny is whinging about us, Tom, I think, maybe …

  361. Warez`My`Teabag permalink
    December 27, 2018 6:41 pm

    Nah, l`m just not going to follow`ya down yomms misogyny rabbit hole. (-:

  362. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2018 7:11 pm

    An admirable Trunt – “what’s the use of learning stuff?”

    https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&q=trump+misogny

  363. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2018 7:34 pm

    How’s that wall going? You know – the one Mexico is going to pay for – “100%”

    Oh yeah, Trunt has shut down the government.

    Trunts are all the same – bulls**t artists, with no need for education because they already know everything they need to know.

  364. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2018 7:43 pm

    Misogynist, bully, abusive… and FAT

    https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&ei=248kXLnHJ5qwrQGT9JTYDA&q=trump+is+the+fattest+president+in+100+years+&oq=trump+is+the+fattest+president+in+100+years+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3…31880.51972..53258…1.0..0.1183.14383.3-17j10j2j2j1……0….1………0i71j30i10.xizPoyc2qoE

  365. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2018 8:03 pm

    Or maybe he really is intelligent and a statesman…

    https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+fat&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiYmoKZ0r_fAhUabCsKHYu9BSAQ2-cCegQIABAB&oq=trump+fat&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3..0l5.44755.50196..50688…0.0..2.1215.7061.2-1j5j1j1j1j3……0….1………35i39j0i67.ev94raMn3GU&ei=_ZMkXNinBZrYrQGL-5aAAg&client=ms-android-telstra-au&prmd=inv&biw=412&bih=604#imgrc=KUaEN0XOui9TkM&imgdii=-9jkU9AxlLhaAM

  366. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2018 8:05 pm

    Or maybe not…

    https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/trump-pooped-his-pants-golfing-nasty.187978/

  367. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 27, 2018 8:49 pm

    Outside the university grade `structured` `thinking` echo chamber; some experts have suggested the problems in the building could trigger a fire sale.

    The apartments sell for $620,000 for one bedroom and one bathroom and up to $935,000 for a two-bedroom, two-bathroom apartment.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-27/opal-tower-residents-told-to-leave-for-a-second-time/10669834

    residents were told they would need to spend another night in the tower despite looming questions about the structural integrity of the building.

  368. December 27, 2018 11:24 pm

    “ Regardless, I think it’s time for beach inspectors – “I’m sorry sir/ madam, if you wish to remain in the beach you will have to either put a full wetsuit on, a tracksuit or remain in your beach tent”

    I completely agree. The whole country is going to hell in a hand basket as a result of flailing standards. Fat ppl with tattoos are just the thin edge of the wedge.

    I’m here in Penang where the local fatties (most notably the women) go to the beach wearing a respectable full head to toe black kaftan. Whether it conceals innumerable tattoos underneath remains open to conjecture as the fabric is cunningly designed to avoid anyone catching a glimpse of their fat flabby skin lurking below.

    Understandably it does make swimming a bit problematic, so they tend to congregate en masse at the foreshore and simply roll around in the surf where the tide meets the sand.

    From a distance, you could be forgiven for thinking you’d simply stumbled across a beached sea lion colony but at least you’re not subjected to some heavy metal inspired ink scratchings indulged in by some meth head bogan blonde from Broadmeadows!

    There’s just no sense of public decency anymore.

  369. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2018 12:10 am

    The King of the Bogans lives across the road … he told me so when he was wandering around my backyard pissed as a parrot one day … I’d introduced myself two years before and he had completely ignored us … a Trunt for sure …he is a skinny little Trunt tho’ …

    He disappeared for three months … oddly enough after a carload of plain clothes cops visited him the next day …

  370. December 28, 2018 12:13 am

    “The King of the Bogans lives across the road … “

    Well it was bound to somewhere in QLD. I just didn’t expect it to be so close to home.

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 28, 2018 11:21 am

    Yes, this is a very picturesque and popular part of the coast, so why isn’t there a law against fat, tattooed bogans ?

    It seems odd that it is legal to display so much ugly flesh

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2018 12:14 pm

    “The King of the Bogans lives across the road … “

    Oh, did I mention he came from Melbourne? (whelped in Perth)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The genius that now resides in the Whitehouse has now revealed the location and photos of US Navy Seal Team Five …

    Did you hear the one about the heel spurs … Trumps magically disappeared after the VN War … suffered all through it! DuH!

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 28, 2018 12:34 pm

    Yes TB, Trunt wimped it. Even though he got the fake diagnosis, he played sport all through college.

    He would have to have the worst character of anyone to hold high office in a western (civilised) country for decades.
    ———-
    I was looking at the symbols that adorned some nearby flab, and was trying to identify the meaning. I think most of it is pagan for “f***wit”

  374. Barbed`Wire`Used`Properly`Can`Be`A`Beautiful`Sight`Teabag permalink
    December 28, 2018 3:24 pm

    The `structured` `thinking` echo chamber obviously didn`t watch john pilgers doco last night. Whats the squirt on seal team five. They have fcuking loads of them; probably in every yank base around the globe. (1000s of yank bases) Wasn`t the echo chambers criticizing theRonald not too long ago for not going out and blowing smoke up arses on the war bases.

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2018 3:54 pm

    I think most of it is pagan for “f***wit”

    Sure its not “f***me” … or it might be “don’t f*** with me” my pagan’s pretty rusty …

    tbagz, dabbles in obscure wordage he may academically dissect it for you … send a foto*. 🙂

    * Make sure you include $$$$$

  376. Which`Hunt`Teabag permalink
    December 28, 2018 5:03 pm

    Usually the first thing a new prez does is the warFawning at the war bases. l think theRonald has shown incredible restraint and resisted huge pressure to wait two years before his first warFawning tour.

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2018 7:01 pm

    LOL!

  378. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 28, 2018 7:17 pm

    Trunt is such a man of his word.

    What’s happening with that wall that Mexico will pay for ???

  379. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 28, 2018 9:29 pm

    The traits of Trump supporters, summary – they’re misfits and bigots. That’s my observation too

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201712/analysis-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits%3famp

  380. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2018 4:23 pm

    Trunt is a narcissist

    1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

    2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

    3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

    4 Needing constant admiration from others.

    5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

    6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

    7 Unwilling to empathize with others’ feelings, wishes, or needs.

    8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

    9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2018 6:10 pm

    Trump: “So which button turns the computers off – this big red one?”

    Laughs … hits button …

    “Nope …

    Is that a map of the world up there? What are all those curvy red lines …

    Will somebody turn that friggin’ siren off! Maybe this other button will turn it off?

    Oh, look more red curves … ”

    Silence

    “What was it you were trying to say General?”

    Just how close will we come?

    And I thought Bush Jr and Ronny Reagan were dangerously stupid!

    The nightmare continues.

  382. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2018 7:25 pm

    My city is becoming a warren of tiny houses and apartments … just one reason it is a dangerous strategy for ALL governments …

    The home lawn is the greatest cleaner of carbon and pollution from our city air of any other plant type we grow. In fact, just 15m2 will produce enough clean oxygen to keep a person alive forever…

  383. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2018 7:26 pm

    I wonder if Elon Musk knows that?

  384. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 30, 2018 8:22 pm

    The nightmare continues

    Yes TB. Trunt is an absolute disaster. I’d love to see him impeached.

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2018 10:13 pm

    You could start a crowdfund?

  386. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2018 3:22 pm

    Donald Trumpnt averaged 15 false claims a day, and it’s getting worse

    There is no rational person that admires Trunt

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-averaged-15-false-claims-a-day-and-it-s-getting-worse-20181231-p50ovx.html

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2018 5:31 pm

    Certainly now that John Kelly has walked out of the revolving door … if a general can’t control the mindless ramblings who can?

    I know – a bloody good drill sergeant!

  388. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 31, 2018 5:48 pm

    I am getting in early to all at the Gutter wishing you a Happy New Year and may 2019 bring peace and joy to you and those you love.

    ToM. Yes Trunt is a very apt word.

    TB. Do you know a good drill sergeant that could control the orange nutter, he seems to be a simple dictator demanding to be surrounded with yes men, rather than real men ( or women ).

  389. Barbed`Wire`Used`Properly`Can`Be`A`Beautiful`Sight`Teabag permalink
    December 31, 2018 5:50 pm

    I agree yomm; thats pretty piss weak. lnHouse we have `structured` `thinkers` that can do 30-false claims per hour without crack`en a sweat. lt just shows how hysteric the legacy FakeNews outlets are now`a days.

    ____

    Happy new calendar folks; hope ya`all enjoy the `peach` and `lime` aspects of treasury going up in smoke around midnight; and may 2019 contain all the `structured` `thinking` you desire.

  390. shaneinqld permalink
    December 31, 2018 5:51 pm

    ToM

    Funny that Trunt blames the Democrats for shutting down the government, when it was supposed to be Mexcio paying for the wall and not American taxpayers. In which case he should not be asking congress for funds to build the wall, he should be asking Mexico.

  391. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2018 7:19 pm

    Happy New Year to all the Trashers and Lurkers! Wherever ye may be …

    Thanks shane …

    I only ever knew two “good” drill sergeants (one was my RSM – he was a WO2 VN Vet who served with the SVNA Tiger Battalion and the other my training sergeant a VN Vet – in ’70)

    They’d probably contribute to the crowdfund …

    And I like your take on the Trunt version of the Berlin Wall … no wonder Vlad the Infiltrator ia a fan … that is very insightful! Agree absolutely!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    tbagz are you digging shitholes again? One can never really decipher the the code …

  392. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 1, 2019 9:30 am

    Yes, happy new year to just about everyone!

  393. Barbed`Wire`Used`Properly`Can`Be`A`Beautiful`Sight`Teabag permalink
    January 1, 2019 5:02 pm

    Just heard on pbs; (a gift for `structured` `thinkers` that believed 2016 was `her` `turn`) elizabeth poke-a-hontus warren is running for prez in 2020. lt is nice to see the demz finally breath some life into the upcoming yank election. This will provide endless chortling among the yank legacy outlets. Just watch `structured` `thinkers` in Aust legacy outlets echoChamber the yank outlets verbatim!

  394. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 1, 2019 7:26 pm

    A mirror of the USA… people here that admire Trunt also distain education.

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2019 10:21 pm

    Chuckle …

    https://www.studyinternational.com/news/trump-student-wharton/

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 2, 2019 7:59 am

    Yes, he’s a dumb Trunt. His vocabulary is limited to – big, great and if he’s really boasting – tremendous

    The most awful character in recent history

  397. Shane in QLD permalink
    January 3, 2019 9:46 am

    NSW Government to come down hard on construction cowboys. I have an idea. STOP Fucking Privatising and Outsourcing everything you can in the name of ideology and wake up to yourselves that self regulation does not work and invites corruption through donations and underhand cash deals, you fucking imbeciles. Keep things in the public realm and let public servants who are far, far, far, far fucking less subject to corruption and manipulation than outsourced cowboys in any field.

    ALP and Independents stand up and state you will bring all this outsourced privatised crap back in house under public service standards and proper scrutiny and you will get elected in a landslide. People are sick of everything being flogged off and then abused, sucked dry and destroyed for an ideology that is decimating our country and its assets.

    I have also noticed that the private media seem only to investigate that which it can throw stones at a government because private companies pay for advertising. Whereas the ABC out truly honestly and only independent media reports on both government AND private enterprise disasters. The bias is astounding when it comes to private media reporting of private companies who do the wrong thing. That should be the investigation into media not the current bullshit in trying to decimate the ABC.

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2019 11:38 am

    Off to a great start to 2019, shane!!!

    Whole-heartedly agree!

  399. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2019 1:45 pm

    Well I don’t think government ownership is any panacea to corporate behaviour.

  400. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2019 4:01 pm

    And I don’t think privatising public services is the panacea to anything … except milking the taxpayers … for profit …

    Neo-liberal economics has failed miserably … ask anyone who pays a power bill … or water bill … or has to use a building certifier … or use a toll road or bridge … etc etc etc … expensive failures all …

  401. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2019 4:51 pm

    I’ve never found politicians or public servants the least bit interested in serving the public

    And I’m entirely comfortable with funding more regulation of privatised services, but returning them the the pork barreling play things of politicians, and having public servants in charge isn’t an appealing solution at all.

  402. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 3, 2019 5:36 pm

    Shane, if you scroll up, you will notice that since l mentioned RCR Tomlinson; the `structured` `thinkers` have been going berserk with antiRonald `look over there`. The Reason is the structured thinkers don`t want you to notice that RCR Tomlinson out on the west-coast; has also possibly smoked another 4000 downstream contractors and businesses. Last year re-phoenix-ing smoked 670 downstreamers in jonestown; and 400 downstreamers in boltsville. So much for a `pro-biz` environment huh?

    While l agree with your sentiments above; l am rather certain we do not have the technical, licensed, qualified people any more.

  403. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 3, 2019 7:14 pm

    And “ I`m entirely comfortable with funding more regulation of privatised services, but ” EVERY comment you ever made before has been; cut red tape; remove traffic lights.

    ____

    ls it finally sinking in with structured thinkers that corporate landmines laid, could one day be stepped on by own baby primate?

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2019 8:06 pm

    And I’m entirely comfortable with funding more regulation of privatised services,

    So we pay civil servants to audit and monitor regulated private services that they are obviously capable of conducting (if they can monitor others they must have higher skills) …

    So we hire a builder/tradie (who quotes), who hires at certifier (who charges a ridiculous fee) and pay rates to a city council that employs civil servants to audit/monitor certifiers … can you see an extra (un-needed) layer of cost in this? And yet inflation remains at a decades low?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    l am rather certain we do not have the technical, licensed, qualified people any more.

    Absolutely!

  405. January 3, 2019 9:36 pm

    Trunt has only just begun to face some scrutiny and legislative opposition.

    Hopefully he doesn’t pull the whole edifice down around himself. He’s that type of vainglorious cunt, after all.

  406. January 3, 2019 9:37 pm

    “A mirror of the USA… people here that admire Trunt also distain education.”

    I am loathe to do this, but…

    I think you mean DISDAIN ?

  407. January 3, 2019 9:41 pm

    I’m having my NYE tonight…after bday tea for my brother, thirteen months my junior.

    I worked all public holidays recently; rostered.

    A great Big FUCK YOU, to all those who champion the erosion of penalty rates!

    A Happy Fucking Tick Of The Clock to the rest of my people!

  408. January 3, 2019 9:48 pm

    “Yes, he’s a dumb Trunt. His vocabulary is limited to – big, great and if he’s really boasting – tremendous

    The most awful character in recent history”

    I’m am aghast that all intelligent people everywhere aren’t on the record being repelled by trunt’s obvious ignorance, semi-literacy & profound boorishness.

    I can only assume it’s because disruptors aligned to either side of politics see him as being ‘disruptive’, rather than any sense of respect for the hereditarily wealthy, arrogant, out of touch, braggart, coward piece of shit?

  409. January 3, 2019 9:51 pm

    The whole bone spur thing!

    Seriously…imagine if that had been Obama et al.

    He represents my base repulsion for such individuals. That he ascended so far with so little substance is a sad commentary on voluntary democracy.

  410. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2019 10:24 pm

    I am loathe to do this, but…

    Hilarious!! The most polite put down in the history of the gutter!

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2019 10:29 pm

    Right-wing groups promising to unleash a Cronulla-style race riot on Melbourne this weekend are on the national intelligence agency’s radar, with growing fears of the threat posed by a new breed of homegrown extremists.

    Only in Mexico!

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2019 10:34 pm

    Hilarious!! The most polite put down in the history of the gutter!

    It’s actually a learning experience, ToM 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    toylet,

    Just finished a couple of games with my grandsons …

    Vermintide … really intense but bloodthirsty nonsense …

  413. January 3, 2019 10:51 pm

    That’s Warhammer, TB?

    I am eternally grateful for the reference to Das Boot…extended family are onto it now also.

    I am neck deep in BFV in my downtime.

    I have followed RockStar Games for decades, and the hype is real about RedDeadRedemption2…truly a crossover of video/music/scripting/art…you’d have to play it to appreciate it.
    Astounding.

  414. January 3, 2019 10:54 pm

    “It’s actually a learning experience, ToM”

    If I didn’t like yomM, sport would’ve been in order..like when Spud Flogsoss said “little lone”…

  415. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 3, 2019 11:40 pm

    Oh FFS, even l know enough euroTrash to understand `cronulla` was only a pillow fight.

  416. January 3, 2019 11:50 pm

    I am me, completely me.

    Unassimilated.

  417. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2019 7:42 am

    I think Trunt would say – “little lone”

  418. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 4, 2019 7:43 am

    Is that when you`re in the SaveTheSwampers echoChamber; or when you`re part of the teamRepug hiveMind.

    Good morning structured thinkers.

  419. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 4, 2019 9:04 am

    Shane, team gladys will be cacking themselves over opal tower; my bet is they are being told it needs to be demolished or it will come down under full load capacity and high winds. There will also be runaway teabag panic beyond team gladys as all states try to find out how many and which other structures have the dodgey load bearing parts/panels in them.

  420. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2019 10:53 am

    “A great Big FUCK YOU, to all those who champion the erosion of penalty rates!”

    Apparently penalty rates were brought in to stop people working on weekends and public holidays. The idea was that men should stay at home on the weekend and spend some time with the wife and kids

    But the current cut in penalty rates was for casual workers and not for full time workers. I am sure someone who got some casual work when they had none would be happy with the cut

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2019 12:03 pm

    That’s Warhammer, TB?

    Yep, part of the WH “series” …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Apparently penalty rates were brought in to stop people working on weekends and public holidays.

    And “apparently” you’re wrong again … FFS stop commenting on stuff you obviously have no idea about.

    I’m not sure whether you’re old and senile or, my original thoughts, you’re a young liberal wannabe … or just fucking stupid!

    … and stop listening to Hadley and Jones’ bullshit … not everybody sits on their arse and makes shit up about other people’s work … some of us do it (or have done it)

  422. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2019 12:06 pm

    I notice that restaurants and cafes have put more people on or given existing workers more hours? NOT! I have two members of my family work in hospitality – the only change they got was a smaller pay packet and less incentive to go work and listen to DH like NEEEEEEL telling them how well off they are now penalty rates have been taken off them.

    FUCKWIT!

  423. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2019 1:03 pm

    TB

    I read it somewhere but do not have a link. Back in more religious days the powers that be thought that a husband should spend the weekends with his wife and family. So they made it more difficult to employ workers by increasing their pay on weekends and Public holidays. It was not a reward for working extra hours but to stop men working and give them some quality time with his family

  424. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2019 2:09 pm

    Here’s a little background

    Professor Patmore also says the education system has come to reflect the standard working week and its weekends, so parents could spend time with their children on Saturday and Sunday.

    “Given the importance of the family and the raising of children, that has to be considered when looking at weekends because our school system works that way,” Professor Patmore says.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/national/the-origin-of-the-weekend-20150807-giu3ay.html

  425. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2019 2:39 pm

    That is right. penalty rates were not introduced to compensate workers. They were introduced to stop people working on weekends especially Sunday. Back when aussies were more religious it was regarded wrong to work on a Sunday. They should be spending time with the wife and kids or at Church.

  426. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2019 3:40 pm

    Did some research but unfortunately can only find something from the IPA which is an organisation people here do not like.

    https://ipa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Penalising-Work-A-historical-account-of-penalty-rates-in-Australia.pdf

    “Penalty rates have been a fixture of Australian industrial relations regimes since the late 1800s. With federation, a series of decisions by various state and federal wage-setting bodies began, culminating in the first ‘national’ penalty rate decision in 1947.
    These early decisions indicate that penalty rates were imposed not as a compensatory measure for workers for performing weekend work, but in order to deter the ‘social evil’ of Sunday labour. This rationale obviously became less relevant throughout the post-war economic boom, as attendances at religious services declined while Australian work and consumption habits underwent significant change”

  427. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 4, 2019 7:26 pm

    Neighbors, friends, “ family work in hospitality; the only change they got was a smaller pay packet and less incentive to go work ” lt is nice to see the `structured` thinkers together inside their structure again!

  428. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2019 8:18 pm

    WTF does that mean tbagz? You are the only free thinker or somfink? Or you don’t have a family (everyone does but some don’t admit it) or that you have no idea what we are talking about? Structure? Structured thinkers? Yer waffling sunshyne!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As for this nonsense …

    These early decisions indicate that penalty rates were imposed not as a compensatory measure for workers for performing weekend work, but in order to deter the ‘social evil’ of Sunday labour.

    They don’t indicate that at all … after working an eight hour day on servicing and repairing cars … I would be asked to work another four … ie 12 hours … I agreed because my employer paid me time and a half … I had a family, wife and two children … we would only work four days a week … had we worked Friday we would have lost half of the previous four days work in tax!

    I’M NOT RELIGIOUS you dopey buggers … but I work to provide for my family … because of my skills, knowledge and application … its NOTHING to do with religion its based upon eight hours work, eight hours rest, eight hours play … you want half my playtime you fucking PAY!

    Workers are not TOOLS for management to MANIPULATE they are PEOPLE with FAMILIES and LIVES!

    When management are paid a “reasonable” compensation – ie no more than $300,000 a year then you can whinge about PENALTY RATES!

    I have no idea WTF Prof Patmore is

    Your research is flawed as usual!

  429. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2019 9:16 pm

    TB

    I was giving you the history of penalty rates. They were introduced to stop people working on the weekends, especially on Sunday. That is why they were called penalty rates. They were not to compensate but to penalise

    BTW I have lived in NSW and Queensland but I seem to recall that AFL games were always played on a Saturday and not Sunday in Victoria. Is this correct?

  430. Shane in QLD permalink
    January 5, 2019 9:35 am

    TB

    2019 has made me ff to a good start because it is looming as a disaster for a number of reasons and I totally agree with your comments re a second layer.

    Those who seem to detest public servants are more than happy to pay a fortune to outsource and then pay a fortune to monitor that outsourcing by public enquiries and monitoring by very expensive old farts that cost a fortune to hold. A far more expensive two tier layer of cost than the old public service system, with unstable contracts, unstable employment, unstable costs.

    How on earth outsourcing to a private company that wants to make at least 20% profit plus a public body to monitor them is cheaper than public servants simply amazes me.

    What is also amazing is those that hate the public service are the ones that are increasing the number of assistants and advisers to themselves in ever increasing numbers the utter hypocrites.

    Whenever there is a disaster with outsourcing they always go back to public servants to solve and investigate the problems. Don’t create the fucking problems in the first place you mob of shunts.

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2019 10:12 am

    shane

    I do hope these two photos represent the past (white male old farts) …. and …

    our FUTURE … our KIDS!

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/04/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-photos-congress-border-wall

  432. shaneinqld permalink
    January 5, 2019 10:50 am

    TB

    I do have an element of hope in the next generation as they are far more aware of climate change, pollution and social aspects of society as a whole. Hopefully the greed of those like Donald Trump etc will not invade them as they become the next generation of politicians.

  433. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2019 11:30 am

    I must have missed the bit where public servants and politicians are so great at responding to the public interest and when they provide great service.

    Really, there are examples of poor corporate behaviour, but the notion that privatised corporations should return to government ownership doesn’t stack up.

  434. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2019 3:02 pm

    And “apparently” you’re wrong again … FFS stop commenting on stuff you obviously have no idea about.

    TB- I did do my research. Perhaps u should apologise but like all ALP supporters u never will

    Penalty rates were bought in to penalise companies who employed people on the weekend, especially on Sundays. Hence they were called penalty rates

  435. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2019 3:39 pm

    the notion that privatised corporations should return to government ownership doesn’t stack up.

    Did you mean privatised PUBLIC (essential) service organisations?

    Give me one example of a privatised essential service improvement @ a lower price …

    (Hint: Trickle down economics is now considered by most economist to be a miserable failure)

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2019 3:55 pm

    NEEL … its 2019 not 1819 … the religious history does not interest me at all …

    Penalty rates are not just applied to weekends … you did read my comment earlier?

    Workers are not TOOLS for management to MANIPULATE they are PEOPLE with FAMILIES and LIVES! … you want half my playtime you fucking PAY!

    Most families socialise after work, on Saturday and/or Sunday … employees are compensated for working those odd hours …

    When politicians open parliament 7 days a week for at least six months in the year then you can whinge about people being paid a decent wage …

    I know of no business employing more staff on weekends … but I can tell you that the Coffee Club had a 10% surcharge sign up directly opposite the local ANZAC Dawn Service cenotaph for the last fours years …

    And I can tell you that my local tavern had a 10% surcharge last Easter – and bar staff, wait staff and kitchen staff were not paid penalty rates … ’cause I went round and asked them!

    And IPA waffle is not research …

  437. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2019 4:09 pm

    TB, are you suggesting that outsourcing and privatisation repesent “trickle down economics” ?

    Do you think the government should be in the aviation industry (for example)?

  438. shaneinqld permalink
    January 5, 2019 4:59 pm

    ToM

    Of course they should be back in government hands. You cannot compare public servants who are employees of the commonwealth, who work for the common good and politician public servants who work only for their re election.

    I am talking about all the services and assets that have been offloaded to the utter detriment of the population to the benefit of a few and the superannuation claim is a load of hogwash because those with more money own more of the assets that used to be equally owned by us all. It is a total bullshit claim by those who have the massive super balances courtesy of Howard’s Government and Costello’s tax deductions for super.

    I much rather trust a public servant to tell me the truth than a contractor or outsourced company. What a massive ripoff the unemployment system is now, far more expensive than when it was centrelink and the corruption is endemic.

  439. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2019 5:23 pm

    TB

    U said I was wrong about my comments. My comments were correct. I was giving u history. Penalty rates were brought in to stop companies employing people on the weekends, especially on Sunday. That is why they were called penalty rates

    The idea that people should be compensated for working odd hours came later. And I think the AFL used to be played only on a Saturday for the same reason. Sunday should be a day of rest where people spend time with their family and go to Church

  440. Warez`MY`Teabag permalink
    January 5, 2019 6:25 pm

    Do you think the government should be in the aviation industry (for example)?

    Have some courage yomm, you post plenty of questions to others but rarely have the guts to state your answers to questions from others.

    Are you claiming via your question above that you would like to see our faa and ntsb equivalents privatized? Or just outsauced?

  441. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 5, 2019 8:19 pm

    As every body knows I hate the ALP. Here is one reason. SA Labor just destroys things

    https://www.transcontinental.com.au/story/5259819/leigh-creek-and-copley-in-ruins/

    “Two-and-a-half years after the closure of the coal mine, Leigh Creek and neighbouring town Copley are on the verge of becoming ghost towns.
    The Packsaddle General Store – Copley’s only destination for camping, hardware and groceries – will shut its doors in the next month after 20 years of operation.

    The town’s post office is also based in the general store, but has been given notice to find a new home.
    Packsaddle owner Karyn Ridsdale said everyone is leaving the area and things are falling apart.
    “I tried to sell, but nobody is interested at all and I don’t blame them,” she said.
    “Who would want to come over to this area with the way things are now? It’s just gone downhill.”
    The closure of the Leigh Creek coal mine in November 2015 came as a result of the decommissioning of the Augusta Power Stations, putting over 400 people in the Far North region out of employment.”

  442. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2019 8:22 pm

    In Victoria the government owns the railway infrastructure, operating the services are contracted.

    I think the system is better that having the government directly operate the system, and employ thousands of chain draggers lots of public servants

  443. Warez`MY`Teabag permalink
    January 5, 2019 9:32 pm

    Squibbed it again huh. lf it; Waddles like a corporateTroll; Quacks like a corporateTroll; Then it must be a ??

    Structured Thinker!

  444. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2019 11:11 pm

    ToM

    Give me one example of a privatised essential service improvement @ a lower price …

    Do you think the government should be in the aviation industry (for example)?

    And you answer a question with a question … again … tiresome strategy …

    You do know the difference between an essential service and a profit centre … I hope …

  445. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2019 8:15 am

    I see TB.

    The ABC has been an icon of effective management of public resources and the politicians always keep their hands off!

    It’s a model that should apply to so many organisations.
    —–
    By the way TB, is contracting “trickle down economics”?

  446. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 6, 2019 8:54 am

    Trickle “ down economics is now considered by most economist to be a miserable failure

    Hint.1 most `economists` are university grade imbecile.

    Hint.2 most university grade imbecile peddled `starve the beast; asset strip; trickle down` for the last 3-decades

    Hint.3 these stupid fcuks have no hope in hell of fixing anything.

  447. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2019 10:49 am

    In Hungary …

    Passed in December, it allows companies to demand that staff work up to 400 hours overtime a year – or the equivalent of an extra day a week.

    Is this what you want in Australia?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    By the way TB, is contracting “trickle down economics”?

    Tricky ToM … but contracting is a way around unions for some companies, that I’m sure you know … the tradie who becomes a “contractor” generally has little or no knowledge or skill (or time) to manage a business and has a costs that a full time employee doesn’t … and runs the big risk of not being paid thousands by unscrupulous owners/operators/developers/builders …

    In short, contracting is mean spirited way of avoiding trickle down economics … the ultimate failure of trickle down economics is the greed of the people who should be trickling down the “economics” … it more like pissing on economics …

    Big businesses generally have more clout that any contractor I’ve met …

    (Disclaimer: I was a contractor as I’m sure you will recall luckily for me I also studied business and contract law)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    tbagz,

    1. All economists are undergraduates (eg have to be uni qualified) … and like all professions/trades education doesn’t actually make them smarter … you can’t improve on raw intelligence (as demonstrated by some of the commenters here over the last decade, or more!)

    2. Trickle down economics is a politically driven paradigm attributed to Ronald Reagan (if memory serves) … economists generally deal with historic results and then predict what could happen from the data … not exactly science …

    3. Economist have never “fixed” anything, like all good consultants, they advise, recommend and suggest – politicians make the decisions and trickle down economics is a right wing politically driven aberration that has gone on too long – many economists now have enough data to agree … its absolute bullshit … ’cause economists (for some unknown reason) generally don’t study human psychology and motivation …

    4. This is the guy you shoul read – constantly … he was one of the very few who saw the GFC before it was on the horizon! And he makes effective predictions.

    https://www.theguardian.com/profile/nourielroubini

  448. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2019 4:08 pm

    I think you’re misusing the term – trickle down economics.

    It has nothing to do with outsourcing , contestibility is provision of public services or privatisation.

    Even the Productivity Commission recognises the need to some competitionin a public sector monopoly.

  449. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2019 7:01 pm

    erm ?

    Who said the PC knows everything … the IPA?

    I know what worked and what now doesn’t!

  450. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2019 7:06 pm

    Monopolies are inefficient, whether public or private.

    Public servants don’t like contestability, because it breaks their monopoly

  451. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2019 9:00 pm

    Not much about conteacting or privatisation…

    Trickle-down economics, also called trickle-down theory, refers to the economic proposition that taxes on businesses and the wealthy in society should be reduced as a means to stimulate business investment in the short term and benefit society at large in the long term. In recent history, the term has been used by critics of supply-side economicpolicies, such as “Reaganomics.” Whereas general supply-side theory favors lowering taxes overall, trickle-down theory more specifically targets taxes on the upper end of the economic spectrum.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

  452. Shane in QLD permalink
    January 7, 2019 5:46 am

    ToM

    A monopoly owned by the people is open to far more scrutiny than a monopoly owned by private enterprise and that is fact.

    Even duopolies or 4 pillars like the banks are simply money making greed centres operating in collusion behind the scenes.

  453. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2019 8:04 am

    Shane I don’t see what is so appealing about political interference, political appointments and sensless point scoring, as happens with the ABC regardless of who is in government.

    I think the model of the Victorian transport system (where the assets are owned by the public and the operations are tendered) is reasonably efficient, transparent and is far better than the previous monolithic public service operated system.

  454. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2019 11:37 am

    I’ve just discovered Paul Dolan … and now that I’ve reached the age of “I don’t have to give a shit” … I’m pleased to say I’ve lived/am living pretty much as Paul suggests/described …

    Recommended read for “wet rags” …

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/06/happiness-index-wellbeing-survey-uk-population-paul-dolan-happy-ever-after

  455. shaneinqld permalink
    January 7, 2019 12:01 pm

    The Victorian model is crap, the government responsible for the assets, the operators paid to run the service while not giving a shit about maintenance or running times or future development. It is not reasonably efficient at all, it comes with just as many breakdowns, accidents, non meeting of timetables and utter disregard for the travelling public while allowing operators to gouge a profit while offering less service.

    If I have $10,000,000 to provide a public service I can hire lets say 100 public service staff at $100,000 full time to provide service to the public and keep it all publicly owned and operated.

    If I outsource the $10,000,000, then 20% is taken off the top for the top contractor so now there is $8,000,000 left and the top contractor then outsources their contract to the lowest bidder for their labour and service who also want to make 20% profit. So the amount left to provide the actual public service to the actual public is $6,400,000. So $3,400,000 has simply gone into the pockets of the companies before a service is even started to be provided.

    How on earth anyone can think this is better or sustainable in comparison to the actual real public service is beyond me.

    As for efficiency I have never seen anything that has been privatised become more efficient unless cutting corners, less service, closing of branches, casualisation of staff and poor results are considered efficiency returns.

  456. shaneinqld permalink
    January 7, 2019 12:02 pm

    ToM

    Please show me an example of ABC point scoring from the ALP while it was in government.

  457. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2019 1:43 pm

    I have no doubt that public transport in Victoria is now far more ounctual and reliable now than when the government ran it’s operations.

    It used to be a lottery.

    To it’s credit the state government is putting plenty of money into improvement and renewal of transport assets.

    So I disagree Shane. It is a good model.

  458. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2019 1:46 pm

    And I doubt whether any of the successful tenderers are making anything like 20%

    I think that is a gross and inaccurate generalisation. Operating contracts with a stable government have a far smaller margin.

  459. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 7, 2019 10:00 pm

    Shane @ January 7, 2019 12:01 pm 100% Correct and great explainer shane. What `yomm` `thinks` usually has little to do with facts; or history. Everybody also knows boltsville spent HUGE sums on their dodgey new electric ticket system to benefit the outsauced service provider too.

  460. You`Have`Been`Assimilated`Teabag permalink
    January 8, 2019 12:58 am

    She works for a prestigious media company and basically spent the whole evening describing how miserable she was at work; she variously moaned about her boss, her colleagues, and her commute. At the end of dinner, and without a hint of irony, she said: `Of course, I love working at MediaLand.`

    lnside the echo chamber all is not bliss. Did you notice just how many of my comments had been scraped for that post. (-:

  461. Shane in QLD permalink
    January 8, 2019 9:45 am

    ToM

    Your opinion is not fact or truth or evidence or reality. When AGL entered the retail electricity market they stated publicly that they will make a 20% return on electricity in the retail sector no matter what, I believe that public record statement much more than your doubts.

    Your continual silence on providing a service or product that has been privatised which is now benefiting the whole community more than when it was publicly owned, simply shows that one does not exist that you can defend.

    In addition the expected return of the CBA branches once privatised was 20% so it was not a figure I plucked form the air.

    If there is so little to be made on government contracts why do so many people want them and then outsource them to a lower service level. You may wish to do a bit of evidence searching about how far down the ladder the person who actually provides the service is under these outsourcing contracts.

  462. shaneinqld permalink
    January 8, 2019 9:53 am

    ToM

    The ALP made selection of the board of the ABC independent, they were not political appointments under the ALP if you disagree please provide evidence, not your opinion. The ALP has never been so politically interventionist as the current LNP in relation to reporting by the ABC.

  463. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 10:18 am

    I’ve worked in a public sector organisation that was privatised.

    I observed the bizarre appointments governments made.

  464. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 10:22 am

    Shane, I wasn’t referring to AGL, you said the contractors operating Victorian public transport have a 20% margin. Contracting operations is an entirely different model to investing/owning and I don’t believe you are right, but you are welcome to provide a link to demonstrate they’re on that margin.

  465. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2019 11:38 am

    I’ve worked in a public sector organisation that was privatised.

    I observed the bizarre appointments governments made.

    Chuckle, did you think about that comment and what it implies, ToM? 🙂

  466. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 8, 2019 1:22 pm

    Telstra is much better than the old Telecom. If you rang Telecom for help they might show some interest in a couple of weeks. Testra provides a much better service privatised than it did when govt owned

  467. shaneinqld permalink
    January 8, 2019 3:30 pm

    ToM

    The standard return expected from any contract or operation is 20% which is the usual model. I was using AGL as an example of a company that is determined to make 20%.

    I also worked in a public sector for 25 years privatised 15 years after I joined years and I saw a company that was created as a service for all Australians gutted and replaced with an ideology of theft and greed in the name of profit for shareholders and bonuses for the bosses. This also altered the culture of the whole industry. Staff were promoted on experience and you had the right of appeal. Once privatised it was jobs for the boys and who you knew not what you knew. I know, I was given the opportunity to stop staff being promoted if I wanted to. It was and is a disgrace.

  468. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 4:17 pm

    The standard return expected from any contract or operation is 20% which is the usual model.

    I’m very familiar with operating models in that sector Shane, and I’ll say directly – you’re wrong

    Stable established operations, insignificant risk, and the security of a government that doesn’t become insolvent make low margins entirely acceptable.

  469. January 8, 2019 4:36 pm

    ~making popcorn.

  470. January 8, 2019 4:37 pm

    Please continue…

  471. shaneinqld permalink
    January 8, 2019 4:40 pm

    Please show me the company that you claim is operating on low margins.

  472. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2019 5:09 pm

    Still ain’t named a benefit for tax/ratepayers after privatisation … service, cost, jobs … anything?

    Cost centres are different to profit centres entirely … that’s why lawyers and businessmen can’t run a country … a fixation on profit and increasing margins and beholden to shareholders sucks … from service users to profit takers …

  473. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 5:12 pm

    Shane, it’s not up to me to demonstrate anything. To recap-
    * I said the model of Victorian public transport was good
    * Government retains ownership of the asset
    * Operations are put out to tender
    * I recall that reliability of services has improved with this structure
    * I commended the state government for investing in renewal and expansion

    You disagreed, on several grounds, including that successful tenderers required a 20% margin.

    This is your assertion and it is up to you to show it is a fact.

  474. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 5:51 pm

    I see there are a few papers that show a typical margin of 5-6%

  475. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2019 5:59 pm

    Still ain’t named a benefit for tax/ratepayers after privatisation … service, cost, jobs … anything?

    Just one business …

  476. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 6:22 pm

    I think Victorian public transport is better following the outsourcing model.

    I doubt whether the PMG would provide a satisfactory telecommunications service.

    Power generation and distribution has produced benefits, such as better reliability but it requires a lot more regulation.

    Qantas is far superior as a private sector company

  477. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2019 7:51 pm

    Mmmm … all arguable … and I weary of the chase … again …

    F’rinstance I don’t live in Mexico with the neo-Nazi lot … and can’t comment on the public transport … except to ask – is there shareholder involvement? I f so – they are the focus of any benefits …

    F’instance … we get three days a week snail-mail that now includes small parcel delivery and the CEO now gets? The previous Muslim* CEO’s “package” was eye watering and you’d think he was working against Auspost not for it.

    F’rinstance power has increased abnormally in all states and is NOT more reliable for many … long live solar power and water systems I say … take control …

    F’rinstance … $24 million to the CEO … if it was a government owned? And “far superior” GMAFB! I was a Gold member for over 15 years … now I struggloe to find a decent airline in Aus …

    * ya think that’s racist its not but I do know that values are a little different to us agnostics, when his bonus supported his families Islamist Centre … ever seen and agnostic church?

  478. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2019 7:54 pm

    I doubt whether the PMG would provide a satisfactory telecommunications service.

    I can assure you they did! One advantage of my I don’t give a shit anymore status is that I’ve experienced the postie on the pushbike and the postie on the motorbike … the troops are just as dedicated but management … as usual … is shyte … and think their shyte don’t stink!

  479. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 9:14 pm

    TB, with 2 in the top 10 you must find unusual reasons to object

    AirlineRatings.com’s top 10 airlines in the world
    Singapore Airlines
    Air New Zealand
    Qantas
    Qatar Airways
    Virgin Australia
    Emirates
    All Nippon Airways
    EVA Air
    Cathay Pacific
    Japan Airlines

  480. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 9:21 pm

    Tops for safety too…

    This year’s top 20 list in alphabetical order is:

    Air New Zealand
    Alaska Airlines
    All Nippon Airways
    American Airlines
    Austrian Airlines
    British Airways
    Cathay Pacific Airways
    Emirates
    EVA Air
    Finnair
    Hawaiian Airlines
    KLM
    Lufthansa
    Qantas
    Qatar Airways
    Scandinavian Airline System (SAS)
    Singapore Airlines
    Swiss
    United Airlines
    Virgin group of airlines (Atlantic and Australia).

  481. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2019 9:33 pm

    … now I struggloe to find a decent airline in Aus …

    …so what criteria do you apply TB?
    Safety?
    Reliability?
    Lounges? (Qantas won that)
    Regional network ? (Qantaslink won regional airline of the year)

  482. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2019 11:44 pm

    Did I mention company tax?

  483. January 9, 2019 12:50 am

    Unholy wowfuck!

    After all these years, I think I just worked out which industry you’re ‘from’, YomM!

    Hope you’re enjoying the coast.

  484. Barbed`Wire`Used`Properly`Can`Be`A`Beautiful`Sight`Teabag permalink
    January 9, 2019 7:56 am

    Shane, l would suggest you are arguing against sheer nonsense from yomm. Greedy yank monster Connex was one of boltsvilles train operators. Don`t know if they still are, ask reb. l do know connex canceled many trains during their management. Each cancellation was meant to incur a `service-failure` fine; deducted from connex payment/s; and returned to boltsville rail-dept/treasury. There is no hope in hell connex would only want 6ish% return; their boardroom wages are huge. They may have had to trim a little off their 20ish% `hopes` if any bidding occurred ; but it would only be 1-or 2%. l don`t know if connex is still the outsauced operator; but their sardine tin operations still exist for passenger comfort; and yomm has never used it.

  485. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 9, 2019 8:33 am

    Well HD, I’m pleased to advise that I’ve never worked in the finance sector!

  486. TB Queensland permalink
    January 9, 2019 11:13 am

    Shows …

  487. Barbed`Wire`Used`Properly`Can`Be`A`Beautiful`Sight`Teabag permalink
    January 9, 2019 11:45 am

    Ya don`t say!

  488. Shane in QLD permalink
    January 9, 2019 12:00 pm

    ToM.
    You and I will just disagree on this matter then. I will try to investigate further the tenderers of the victorian public transport system and try to ascertain their return if I can locate financials, before making any comment on the public transport system in that state. I stand by all of my comments in relation to returns expected and the rorting of government contracts by private enterprise ( they are unfolding in so many areas now with unemployment being the latest disaster along with aged care) in addition to the decimation of publicly held assets through privatisation.

    Teabag. I have witnessed the 20% return rule in so many areas that I know it is considered the norm. Now there may be a very limited number of areas where that return is reduced by a small margin however I have never witnessed it where a government contract is involved and the amount of trickle down outsourced contracts is truly becoming amazing. Just like the hundreds of millions given to the barrier reef scam who will not do the work, but rather outsource down and down the line so funds are skimmed form so many levels before money is actually used on the reef itself. It is endemic in so many industries, skimming 20% for doing nothing other than outsourcing the contract already won to a lower bidder.

  489. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 9, 2019 12:12 pm

    I think you might find a couple of papers here that indicate a margin of 5%-6%

    Which is consistent with my understanding. There is nothing like a 20% margin in government contacting.

    The revenue is predictable, operations are low risk. I don’t think you fully understand the model.
    https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&ei=aEk1XMDsNsr28gXO8ZKYBA&q=government+contracting+margins+australia&oq=government+contracting+margins+australia&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3..35i39.24145.24724..26072…0.0..0.502.819.3-1j0j1……0….1………0i71j35i304i39.-jIBZnHYpq8

  490. Barbed`Wire`Used`Properly`Can`Be`A`Beautiful`Sight`Teabag permalink
    January 9, 2019 1:02 pm

    The 20%skim is taken off the top of the 100%govtBudget, leaving 80%forJob.

    The (skim)biz then pays its bills and wages from the 20%skim, leaving the 6%(profit)margin.

  491. shaneinqld permalink
    January 10, 2019 5:07 am

    Exactly Teabag

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