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Liberals in Complete Meltdown as internal fighting erupts!

December 3, 2018

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If you needed any further evidence that the right-wing faction within the Liberal party is little more than just a mob of bully boys and thugs then you need look no further than the current conduct of controversial right-wing backbencher and former used furniture salesman Craig Kelly.

Aided and abetted by his right wing cronies Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison, Craig Kelly is in the fight of his political life less he face an embarrassing return to flogging dining tables and filing cabinets.

Conservative and moderate factions in the Liberal Party are tearing each other apart with Conservatives attempting to stack the deck so that Kelly is preselected for the safe southern Sydney seat of Hughes.

This from the mob that only moments earlier argued that “members were selected on merit” in the face of accusations of misogyny and bullying.

In an extraordinary twist of internal blackmail, Kelly has threatened to run as an independent if he is not preselected for Hughes – clearly aware that his political career is finished if he’s not parachuted into the safe seat.

The sense of entitlement and barely repressed seething anger is strong with Craig Kelly and he let rip with an explosive tirade after being snubbed by fellow Liberal party colleagues on Sunday night.

According to our “exclusive sources,” apparently Kelly sauntered into a local gymnastics club and spotted a group of Liberal politicians who were there to hand out awards to club members.

The group included Lee Evans, a Liberal member of the NSW Parliament, and Carmelo Pesce, the Liberal mayor of the Sutherland Shire Council.

When Kelly extended his hand to greet the mayor, Pesce put his hand behind his back.

“You’re a f—ing prick!” Kelly shouted at Pesce.

“Are you f—ing kidding me? You’re not going to f—ing shake my hand?”

Pesce refused to speak but Kelly – who had spent much of Sunday trying to save his career – didn’t take the hint:

“What? Do you mean you’re not going to f—ing shake my hand.”

Eventually Pesce relented and told Kelly he “couldn’t stomach” the thought of shaking his hand.

“You’re a disgrace for what you’re doing to the party,” Pesce told Kelly.

“You’re the disgrace,” Kelly shot back.

Gymnastics coach Graham Spooner intervened and told the men to cool it. So did Evans.

The incident marks just another episode in what is rapidly becoming a series of almost daily catastrophes for the Morrison Government.

 

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:01 am

    Do these “right wing” “Liberals” (surely that’s an oxymoron?) still meet in beer halls?

  2. December 3, 2018 10:04 am

    And another one…!

    Jim Molan warns he is “not to be taken for granted” if Prime Minister Scott Morrison doesn’t intervene to save his political career…

    https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/i-m-not-to-be-taken-for-granted-molan-eyes-morrison-intervention-20181202-p50jqn.html

  3. Aussie Centrist permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:07 am

    Mate. If you think about it. @ScottMorrisonMP lost his preselection 80-4 to @MichaelTowke in a dirty, grubby political move then was Parachuted into #cook by the same @LiberalNSW executive.. Now he’s an unelected #PMScum by chance? It apparent #Scumo hates democracy. This rabble needs an enema to purge itself of the neo-conservative cancer and reclaim progressive liberalism. This ATM government is bankrupt on all fronts

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:14 am

    Do Australians really think the playground comments below are from mature adults? Or just a display of Private School Bullies at work?

    Senior federal government minister Angus Taylor has accused Labor of “running a protection racket for terrorists” by refusing to rush through laws around encrypted messages.

    Mr Taylor, who was a key architect of proposed laws giving security and police agencies easier access to encrypted communications, said the opposition was siding with terrorists by baulking at the bill.

    “I’ll tell you what’s offensive, it’s running a protection racket for terrorist networks who communicate using encrypted applications,” he told Sky News on Monday.

    “Terrorist networks, drug smuggling networks, child sex offender networks all (use) encrypted apps to undertake their heinous activities.”

    The coalition wants parliament to pass its national security legislation this week, before the long summer break, but Labor is resisting pressure to wave the bill through.

    Scott Morrison has accused Bill Shorten of being “happy” for terrorists to plot attacks using encrypted messages.

    “Labor are quite happy for terrorists and organised criminals to chat on WhatsApp, leaving our security agencies in the dark,” Mr Morrison told The Australian.

    “There is no excuse for this type of weakness.”

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/shorten-happy-for-terrorists-morrison/news-story/f1f24d9ec8322a03c05103a2a6db5e40

  5. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:39 am

    Seems to me that the right, including Abbott and Abetz are shitting themselves as the party members, they so doggedly supported in letting them have a more democratic vote are, in reality, true liberals and not right wing religious nutters as they continue to vote for centre candidates by a massive majority, only to now be overruled by those desperate to keep their mouths on the teat of taxpayers money. The biggest pack of born to rule blood sucking leeches.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 11:46 am

    Just out of interest TB, is Scott Morrison a “private school bully” or is Bill Shorten?

  7. Way`Out`West`Teabag permalink
    December 3, 2018 11:59 am

    rebs fairfax .. We’ve lost a million votes since 2013. @yaaay Wouldn’t you think our party was sensitive to that?” he said. We need a left wing and a centre and right wing in this party. At the moment, we’re driving conservative voters away in droves. @guffaw

    Sounds like the coldwar geriatric is going to come out fighting. On with show! (this bleating was on perth radio, and many a listener would have been thinking east-coast wanker)

  8. shaneinqld permalink
    December 3, 2018 12:50 pm

    ToM

    I don’t know, who is the bully ?

  9. shaneinqld permalink
    December 3, 2018 1:06 pm

    I hope those who will still vote liberal do one thing. Vote below the line on the senate paper and vote for a more moderate liberal than the right wing nutters the party has put at No1. That way they can still vote for their party but influence this extremism that is driving voters away.

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 1:15 pm

    Well Shane I’m only asking TB who he is talking about. Because Moiison went to a public school whereas Shorten went to one of the most expensive private schools, and a ‘catlick’ one at that!

  11. shaneinqld permalink
    December 3, 2018 1:34 pm

    So neither is really a bully. Shorten went private because his parents sent him there and now Morrison sends his kids private because he now hates public schools after his parents sent him public as they are not happy clapper areas.

    I find Morrison a far more aggressive person than Shorten and he YELLS all the time and a bully usually does that.

  12. December 3, 2018 1:35 pm

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  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:04 pm

    I know Shane, but TB has a fixation on “private school bullies” and I’m keen to figure out who he is referring to.

    It obviously isn’t Morrison, he doesn’t qualify. But Shorten might!

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:31 pm

    Bugger me !!! Who would have ever thought that Penny Wong would qualify as a “private school bully” ?

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:46 pm

    … but TB has a fixation on “private school bullies”

    Its a term I’ve used since ” Howard’s Private School Bullies” simply because that’s how they act … been around since dot … Tom Brown’s School Days is a classic on the subject … as was Lord of the Flies … these days just check Youtube!

    I think you’ll find that the Opposition Leader is actually C of E and has a LL.B and MBA …

    The Prime Preacher has a Bsc. App Econ. Geo. … and Sydney Boys High School isn’t the normal run of the mill HS either!

    Chuckle …

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:48 pm

    Bugger me !!! Who would have ever thought that Penny Wong would qualify as a “private school bully” ?

    That’s your interpretation* … see above … keep trying … I’ll keep chuckling …

    *Not mine … so? You went to a private school, didja?

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:52 pm

    “That way they can still vote for their party but influence this extremism that is driving voters away.”

    Shane

    What do you mean by extremist? I find most ALP supporters extremists because they want to thrust their left-wing ideas down everybodies throat

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 2:59 pm

    Bill shorten went to Xavier!! That must qualify as a factory for “private school bullies ” !!

    And there I was thinking that Gough Whitlam was a decent and well intentioned individual…. but guess what he is TB!!

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 3:53 pm

    ToM, WGAF!

    ‘Cept you … life’s desperate or is this a look over there …?

    ’cause the Liberal Party just avoided democratically choosing candidates in sitting member electorates across NSW …

    Captain Morrison’s call … just another Mad Abbott flunky … true Liberal members must be mad as all hell … (well most of them are anyway) …

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 5:00 pm

    WGAF!

    I thought you did TB! You’re endlessly talking about “private school bullies” and I’m only trying to get a little clarity around who qualifies!!

    But it seems that you don’t have to go to a private school to be considered one! Very egalitarian

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 7:53 pm

    I’m only trying to get a little clarity around who qualifies!!

    Anyone who acts like a private school bully … you really are upset … is it personal?

    What do you think about the NSW Captain Happy Clappy, Captain’s Call to bypass democratic process and just endorse anyone who is now sitting … don’t most of the fascists extreme right wing of your the Liberal Party come from NSW? Odd that, hey?

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:08 pm

    “Acts like a private school bully, even though he’s not ”

    Yes, that makes sense TB

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:11 pm

    I mean, even Mordoch’s* news.com.au is laughing at the Muppets# Liberal Party …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/angela-merkel-needed-a-background-info-sheet-on-scott-morrison-during-their-g20-summit-meeting/news-story/6539fa93d3dfec1f04774ecce1172be3

    * hasn’t Mordoch bonked himself off yet … Jerry must be so frustrated!

    # acknowledgement – Prime Preacher Scotty M. 🙂

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:12 pm

    John Howard was clearly a public school bully…. who wanted to be a private school bully.

    Is that how you see it TB?

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:13 pm

    I think you meant …

    “Acts like a private school bully”

    Don’t put words into my comments …

    You didn’t answer my question — AGAIN!

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:15 pm

    You’re so predictable I removed this from my comment @ 7:53 …

    You may “like” a personal opinion discussion but the “discussion” is you asking the questions and not answering questions in return …

    That’s NOT a discussion that’s an INTERROGATION … BTW I also studied Interviewing and Counseling … can I help?

  27. Own`Goal`Teabag permalink
    December 3, 2018 10:16 pm

    Probably too frightened to, knowing we have read it 15-years ago on teh ipa site.

  28. December 4, 2018 8:27 pm

    Aussie Centrist, makes plenty of sense!

  29. How`are`my`Teabags permalink
    December 5, 2018 2:19 pm

    At least we know exactly what we get with slomo; another weak leader that folds like a house of cards; already capitulated to craig kelly; can`t wait to see if he tries to save the coldwar geriatric.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2018 3:37 pm

    Yet another example of Trump’s lack of ethics. I doubt that he’ll see out the term. Impeachment awaits

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/has-trump-crossed-a-legal-line-abuse-of-power-could-trigger-impeachment/news-story/f0405ef8f59e7f16a5c781f695561c58

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2018 4:10 pm

    Impeachment awaits

    I certainly hope so, after the weeks market debacles around the world … and here.

    Has the boofheadoops, man done anything positive in the world?

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2018 4:50 pm

    I know TB. He’s a disaster, practically illiterate, sleazy, misogynist, racist, gauche. Trump’s legacy will be a benchmark for embarrassment

  33. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabags permalink
    December 5, 2018 5:12 pm

    You claimed you had trainy trainy; but here you are cosy in yomms echo chamber. Stay put and l`ll toss in a couple of SaveTheSwampers to keep you company.

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 9:20 am

    Talking points from Bolt pop up again.

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 9:24 am

    The Liberal Party is totally consumed by itself. It is an unfortunate combination of selfishness, ignorance and pure arrogance to ignore what has happened to the standing of the party in the Longman and Wentworth byelections, and the Victorian state election and, even worse, to deny any lessons, simply offering spurious and fallacious excuses blaming everything and everybody else.

    Occasionally even John Hewson is right

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/a-directionless-self-obsessed-rabble-liberal-brand-is-damaged-goods-20181205-p50kau.html

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:21 am

    The report, published on Wednesday, found the battery’s response time is 100 milliseconds. This means it can go from full output and back within the blink of an eye.

    It also suggests the battery has saved the electricity grid nearly $40 million in its first year – savings that have flowed directly through to South Australians and is reflected in their energy bills.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2018/12/05/south-australian-tesla-battery-national/

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Occasionally even John Hewson is right

    I would suggest more “than occasionally” … always thought he would make a good PM … certainly better than the last three we’ve had … probably the last four …

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:32 am

    I think Hewson is too much like (the late) Malcolm Fraser, expressing opinions now that he did not while in parliament, probably craving relevance.

    But on this occasion he’s right.

  38. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:39 am

    ToM

    The right of the Liberal Party has totally consumed it. Any moderate is terrified of upsetting them. The right will happily destroy the party rather than capitulate in any way to the moderates. The right will happily see the country totally ruined to support their donors and extremely rich members. The right itself has been consumed by corporate buyout.

    The Liberal party is now simply filled with self interest spongers sucking off the public teat while proclaiming smaller government as long as it isn’t their income, allowances, benefits, pensions or entitlements. The MPs are simply trying anything to get re elected.

    John Hewson is very right.

  39. shaneinqld permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:44 am

    ToM

    I don’t think it is a craving for relevance. I think it is more an opening of their eyes to reality rather than a smokescreen of ideological blindness when in parliament and the influence of donors and the rich at the time.

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:02 am

    Because people do not vote for the Liberals does not necessary mean anything is wrong.

    In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling, govt debt was ZERO, our detention centers were empty, the economy was booming and the Coalition had better govt programs than Rudd.

    But Australia voted for Rudd in 2007. And every major problem we now face was caused by that horrible LABOR govt. Australia has turned to the dark side

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:11 am

     The MPs are simply trying anything to get re elected.

    Rhere is nothing uniquely Liberal in rhat Shane, for example (apparently) the ALP detested Rudd but gave him the PMs job because he was more likely to salvage a few seats.

    But Fraser particularly was the most divisive politician in Australia’s history, he seemed to spend his latter years trying to repair his ugly legacy.

    I think he has motivated by guilt and vanity rather than sincwrity.

    I also think Hewson has relvance deprivation syndrome

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:12 am

    There and that… it’s due to this mobile!

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:31 am

    Would someone please tell Neel there was Global Financial Crisis in 2008 … or just hit the reset button …

    +++++++++++++++++++

    sincwrity … yet L koticed murs te qwarfl …

    You’ve been hacked by Klingons … brace for impact!

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2018 12:16 pm

    What has the GFC to do with people voting Labor in 2007 when unemployment was at 4.3%, the lowest rate since the 1970’s, govt was debt free, budget was in surplus and our detention centers were empty? If labor was in govt in 2007 with those economic numbers they would have won the election

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 2:18 pm

    And Shane, I don’t really see the right of the Liberals as representing a corporate buyout, I think they are odd, mean spirited politicians representing a very narrow and conservative social agenda.

  46. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 6, 2018 3:02 pm

    ToM

    Corporate itself is a narrow and conservative area in itself. Corporate represents the very few at the top just like the right of the liberals are a very narrow and conservative social agenda.

    I didn’t say it was unique to the Liberals. But we are now in 2018 and not 2013 and the government is the LNP. I think you would have to agree that I have been critical of both sides on many issues and this lurch to the extreme right and hysteria over security and border issues as though we were under threat from an invasion in an attempt to scare the voters, is nothing short of a disgrace which I hope and believe will achieve nothing at the next election.

    TB

    I don’t even read Neil’s comments, I scroll past them, so it wont be me telling him that’s for sure, as I have no idea what he types anymore.

  47. Reality`Denial`Teabags permalink
    December 6, 2018 3:54 pm

    The teabags continually trudge over the line; often due to the faults and sameness of the other lot/s at the fed level; take the repug topic, it locks out a percentage of voters in 130ish electorates before the vote process even starts. There is a reality denial among greenz and alp members on just how much some voters hate the idea; and therefore hand the teabags a head start.

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2018 4:24 pm

    Shane

    What was a disgrace was locking up 8,469 children from 2008-2013. Border security is a important govt function. Without borders you get swamped by greedy people. The USA is getting 30,000 asylum seekers/month crossing the Rio Grand. They are fleeing a unpleasant life in poverty stricken countries not persecution

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 4:57 pm

    Corporate itself is a narrow and conservative area in itself. Corporate represents the very few at the top just like the right of the liberals are a very narrow and conservative social agenda.

    Really Shane? As has been noted, I do quite a lit if work in the corporate area and that’s not my experience. Companies are certainly interested in profitability and tax rates, the things that have an effect on yhe bittom line, but very few show any opposition to progressive social reforms.

    You may be thinking that the likes of Gina Rinehart is typical of the corporate eorld, but that’s not the case in my experience.

    You might provide some rationale as to your reasoning

  50. shaneinqld permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:02 pm

    I have provided many examples from my previous employment on the corporate world I don’t think I need to provide any more examples of the corporate world. My experience as an employee is totally different to yours obviously.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:15 pm

    I don’t think the corporate world has any consistent position on social issues such as –
    * Marriage equality
    * Treatment of asylum seekers
    * Immigration

    If anything companies are yearning for a rational policy on energy, and the ASX boards I have experience with that their corporate responsibilities quite seriously, I think they are very aware of the effect poor compliance and governance has on the share price.

  52. Reality`Denial`Teabags permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:21 pm

    Nope. Nothing to see here, coz yomm sayz so. We all just need to forget the airlines fly 1000s of consumers without their knowledge over war-bird graveyards mh17 style. Nor pay any attention to royal-comm theft. Cranes, scaffolds and cuttings now collapse on a near monthly basis. Willfully blind dumbfcuk?

  53. shaneinqld permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:32 pm

    ToM

    Well you and i disagree on so called corporate responsibilities, being involved in the underhanded tactics of management and their actions and lies and deceit in order to achieve their aims, I remain convinced that corporations only worry about their responsibilities once caught out.

    We have bastardry in Banks, Water Allocation, Franchises, Wage Theft, Workers Safety, Aged Care, Electricity Providers. Honestly I could make the list a mile long.

  54. Reality`Denial`Teabag permalink
    December 6, 2018 5:50 pm

    Primate see. Primate do.

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2018 6:43 pm

    Shane

    I am more worried about the lies and deceit of the ALP. Rudd in 2007 promised a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. When a major political party like the ALP lies so badly to win an election why do you care so much about corporate dishonesty?

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 8:57 pm

    I’d only say Shane – if you go through the list of ASX companies, or even the ASX 200, I don’t think you’ll find many behaving in the manner you suggest.

  57. December 6, 2018 9:30 pm

    I don’t think the corporate world has any consistent position on social issues such as – Marriage equality.

    I think your mates at Qantas would beg to differ.

    But dog forbid I wouldn’t want to be seen as accusing you of making a gross generalisation…

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2018 9:49 pm

    Yes. Alan Joyce was in favour of marriage equality. I can’t recall too many voicing their opposition.

  59. Ruvinii permalink
    December 6, 2018 10:50 pm

    I wa counted under fauna act qld before 1967

    What my rights man I’m angry

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2018 11:07 pm

    Aks, ToM,

  61. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2018 8:54 am

    I am horrified that Labor capitulated …. again, on security issues. I had hoped that they were playing chicken with the Government over the Nauru bill, which it looked like they had done, almost successfully, and then caved in AFTER they had won and shown the libs to be hollow on all of their outrageous claims.

    As reb said, A pox on all their houses 😦

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2018 12:00 pm

    TR, I found yesterday completely confusing … and demonstrates that parliament is way to personal and about scoring political and personal points … when they ALL should be getting on with GOVERNING AUSTRALIA! For ALL Australians not just the faithful …

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2018 12:31 pm

    I think you mean too personal

    But seriously, the tactics and games are deeply concerning, it is university student level games.

    I’m quite happy to see a couple of dozen independents in the next parliament. I’m in Frydenberg’s seat, and I think it is entirely possible that there will be an independent voted in.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2018 12:53 pm

    Did any party vote against the encryption Bill?

  65. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2018 2:53 pm

    Did someone mention Qantas

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2018 3:53 pm

    And I read that The Leprechaun’s pay was over $24 million this year with shares … WTF is wrong with this corporate democracy? Oh, wait!

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2018 6:01 pm

    Shorten’s cop out …

    “There are legitimate concerns about the encryption legislation,” the opposition leader told reporters on Friday.

    “But I wasn’t prepared to walk away from my job and leave matters in a stand-off and expose Australians to increased risk in terms of national security.”

    That is utter BS!

    And this is really concerning! (my bold)

    The government will have three levels of requests. The first stage is voluntary while the second stage is compulsory and includes fines up to $10 million and $50,000 for an individual. The third stage is also compulsory and demands companies proactively work to build mechanisms to help authorities collect information.

    And you thought “1984” was just fiction?

    Wonder what would happen if you typed bomb, target, trigger in a couple of months … I’ll let you know if anything happens!

    After this schmozzle I’ll be looking for an independent candidate too.

    Incredibly dumb on Labor’s part.

  68. Know`Idea`Teabag permalink
    December 8, 2018 2:36 pm

    Yesterday was an all round display of weak dud leaderships being shored up. Team teabag phillabustering away the time so they didn`t have to face phelps boatie bill; while team stooten collapsed like a house of cards and scribbled away more of our rights in the name of `tewwa` defense. Which kinda doesn`t match the borderFarce lay offs.

  69. Know`Idea`Teabag permalink
    December 8, 2018 3:10 pm

    in “ Frydenberg’s seat, and I think it is entirely possible that there will be an independent voted in

    That`s good to hear yomm, hope ya`right. From afar the odwyer critter looks like she could be smoked. What do the local think on odwyer? (no doubt moonee fcuking ponds will keep their dud blib)

    ____

    thought `1984` was just fiction? Wonder what would happen if you typed bomb, target, trigger @haw haw haw, been thinking the same teebz. l am half tempted to code some emails and send them all over the place just to keep the spooks code monkeys busy.

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 8, 2018 3:36 pm

    It’s great to see Trump in increasingly deep s**t. Hope he drowns in it and gets booted out in in the most undignified manner possible. He’ll tweet all the way to irrelevance

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2018 9:45 am

    So Trump’s Chief of Staff is “leaving” after calling him an idiot and unhinged

    Facts are no defence for John Kelly – Trump is an idiot and is certainly unhinged

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2018 6:36 pm

    Closer, and closer, ToM …

    Softly, softly, catchee monkey …

    Slowly I turned … step … by step …

  73. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2018 10:45 am

    I don’t know how accurate this is. If it’s accurate, then I can can see why Labor voted as it did, even though it didn’t want to.

    https://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/2018/12/07/labor-outrage-and-encryption-but-why-a-wicked-problem/

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 11:34 am

    TR,

    Imagine the ranting from the Prime Preacher & Acolytes if Bill hadn’t passed the bill (apparently Bill does all the work in the Labor Party).

    AND there had been a “terrorist attack” over christmas … all Bill’s fault!

    The politics in all this is pretty awful …

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2018 12:10 pm

    I’m glad to see Emma Husar suing for defamation.

    There is far too much reporting gossip as fact in every facet of the media, Chris Gale (cricketer) was successful for suing an unfounded allegation – and that all started following a media frenzy after he flirted with a female sports reporter.

    It’s tiresome and I hope some substantial damages will cause a change in gossip reporting

  76. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2018 12:26 pm

    <iIt’s tiresome and I hope some substantial damages will cause a change in gossip reporting

    Nothing will change, regardless of the outcome.

    If Emma wins, then Buzzfeed and Alice will suffer. And, they’ll find they have become usefull idiots in their desire to be considered “mainstream” byt the m(?)sm

    murdoch laughing spreads his wings 😉

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2018 2:08 pm

    Fair enough, but news outlets are far too inclined to report gossip as fact, and I’d like some huge damages payouts to demonstrate that it’s unsatisfactory,

  78. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 10, 2018 4:42 pm

    Ditto. l also enjoyed seeing rebel wilson clobber the fakenews outlets in court. Too bad the courts lost their bottle during the appeal.

  79. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 10, 2018 5:21 pm

    ToM

    I agree news outlets are far too inclined to report gossip as fact, huge damages would help change that culture, however I would also like the huge damages to apply to politicians and corporate Australia as well, who massage lies and information into facts that are totally false.

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 10, 2018 6:13 pm

    Damages applying to politicians? How about we start with Rudd and Labor who promised in 2007 a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. One of the biggest lies ever to win an election

  81. Airforce`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 10, 2018 7:25 pm

    Did we all notice that today Aust took delivery of our first two overpriced F35 flying junkcraft that canadia won`t touch. Let`s hope the govt didn`t skim on the trainy trainy. Especially the ejectorSeat technicians. Remember orange is the new black, and the legacy FakeNews outlets are no fcuking help what`so ever.

  82. December 10, 2018 8:01 pm

    It’s great to see Trump in increasingly deep s**t. Hope he drowns in it and gets booted out in in the most undignified manner possible. He’ll tweet all the way to…Jail, hopefully.

    Demagogue cnut.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:06 pm

    Did I just hear on the TV that the SPORTING INDUSTRY wants more governnent money …

    Nobody repays the AIS … and multi-millionaires don’t support their INDUSTRY …

    And in all honesty I’ve never understood why some of the most unproductive single talented people in the world, live such “luxurious” lives …

    And they want us to fund them … with 3000 ex-Diggers (male and female) homeless! Priorities!

  84. December 10, 2018 8:07 pm

    I certainly noticed the junkF-35 story.

    I’ve been following & commenting upon said for years.

    Because we have our noses tucked a mile up UncaSam’s arse (for National Security!!!!!!!!!), apparently we must cop clearly losing deals on military contracts (without the cost benefit analysis that we so readily squeal about when it’s something else considered to be contentious) just to keep BigUSArma happy.

    I say fuck that!

    What with all of the clamour about subsidising this & that…and fucking French submarines.

  85. December 10, 2018 8:08 pm

    The legacy News outlets have drip fed information about how fucking shit & obsolete the F-35’s are, for at least the last decade.

    I have read it all along the way.

  86. December 10, 2018 8:09 pm

    That QANTAS story also makes my fucking blood boil.

  87. December 10, 2018 8:13 pm

    “So Trump’s Chief of Staff is “leaving” after calling him an idiot and unhinged

    Facts are no defence for John Kelly – Trump is an idiot and is certainly unhinged”

    My take-away was that General Kelly is being ‘removed’ because he was interviewed by Mueller, and his position will likely become untenable; as he is apt to have answered honestly.

    What’s worse is the new nom for UN. A former FoxNews anchor!!! who’s on record describing the ‘highpoint’ of US – German relations as ‘The Normandy Landing’…what the actual fuck!

    You couldn’t make this shit up!

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:14 pm

    I would also like the huge damages to apply to politicians and corporate Australia

    I would like to see Parliamentary Privilege revoked … and more senior execs and board members in jail … (much more destructive than the CFMMEU)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re Trump … only two Presidents have been impeached Clinton and … Johnson/Jackson? … neither was carried …

    Nixon resigned before being impeached …

    The “good guys” seem to suffer JFK’s fate … an odd world …

    Market crumbled 2.3% today … my capital is being sucked away – again!

    If the trade wars erupt into real wars … I might become a Chinese citizen … and ask for a special assignment!

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:17 pm

    I certainly noticed the junkF-35 story.

    Me too as I wouldn’t!

    What with all of the clamour about subsidising this & that…and fucking French submarines.

    What with all of the clamour about subsidising this & that…and fucking Indian trains here.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY!

  90. December 10, 2018 8:19 pm

    No cost benefit analysis necessary for a multi-billion dollar contract with BigArma.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:20 pm

    The legacy News outlets have drip fed information about how fucking shit & obsolete the F-35’s are, for at least the last decade.

    Bit like the – LNP v22.16 – NBN

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:21 pm

    You couldn’t make this shit up!

    Welcome to 1933 … in reverse?

  93. December 10, 2018 8:33 pm

    I prefer to imagine that Nauert is just another Trump loyalist (the only reason she was chosen?)…rather than focus on her incredible ignorance, or deliberate antagonism, if that’s her sum knowledge of the’highpoint’ between US/Germany…

  94. December 10, 2018 8:33 pm

    Kushner should be nowhere near the fucking gears of State.

    Nepotism much.

  95. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:35 pm

    Le frog canoes, bombay trains, it gets better; boltsville is doing some tunneling somewhere, underground road or rail. The borer moles are coming in from china as we speak.

  96. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 10, 2018 8:53 pm

    Its hilarious the foxtard chick is replacing nicky at the u.n. Viewers are sure to be treated to an even high level of comedy in season-3.

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 10, 2018 9:25 pm

    Israel ordered the F35. If they were bad planes I doubt the Israelis’ would have ordered them since they are in a life and death struggle for survival against many Arab countries

  98. December 10, 2018 10:04 pm

    Once again, Kneel…look at Israel, the technological imperative of its surrounding threats. Check other potential ‘Thetres’ of armed conflict around the globe.
    Have a bit of a look at who is, or maybe about to, locking horns with who. Who is buying what/which, from whom…etc

    Then get back to me.

    Ignorant shitwipe.

  99. December 10, 2018 10:35 pm

    Draw Down The Moon…

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 10, 2018 11:16 pm

    I don’t get your point. Israel is in a life and death struggle for survival. They would not be buying planes that do not work. The British are also buying the F-35s. But I did not know you were a aircraft expert?

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2018 11:23 pm

    Neeeeeel Expurt Aircraft Spotter and Tech Guru … LOL! 🙂

  102. December 11, 2018 12:42 am

    Kneel + expurt in unREEL politik

  103. December 11, 2018 12:45 am

    “I don’t get your point. Israel is in a life and death struggle for survival. They would not be buying planes that do not work.”

    But wot abowt dat part were I sed “look at Israel, the technological imperative of its surrounding threats.”

    I don’t like to use the phrase “dumb as dogshit” lightly…but you are readying me.

  104. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 4:35 am

    Still don’t get your point. I think the Russians are supplying weapons to the Arab countries. I think Britain and the USA sell some stuff as well. Israel would not be buying the F35’s if they did not work

  105. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 8:56 am

    No cost benefit analysis necessary for a multi-billion dollar contract with BigArma.

    It’s fucken frustrating

    They complained no end about alleged ‘blowouts’ by ASC, but are very forgiving for exactly the same thing happening from international bidders

    The french subs are going to cost more than if we had built them ourselves, that’s for sure, and, we will miss out on all that knowledge training, along with the jobs and economic stimulus it would drive. Although, once they closed Holdens, our homemade subs were for the chop anyway, they cannot support themselves.

    Hate really isn’t a strong enough word. It appears to be calculated plan to kill any kind of self supporting industry on our shores

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:13 am

    TomR

    WE are building the French subs. ON Conservative blogs a lot of people think they were just to provide jobs to help Pyne win his seat in SA

  107. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:23 am

    Further to the article I put up the other day attempting to explain away Labors actions in regards to the encryption bill, somebody else has countered that.

    Suffice to say, they disagree with article lol

    View story at Medium.com

    Personally, I think both articles contains grains of truth. But the one simple fact remains. The libs were prepared to drop this in order to keep torturing kiddies on Nauru. They had made their decision, and shown that they were willing to ignore the security agencies pleas that this was ‘required’ over xmas (I call bull on that one too)

    Labor could have sat still, and the libs could have worn all of the blame.

    I personally think that Labor wanted this more than the libs. Either through fear of a fear campaign, or the desire for the powers that they will soon themselves have. Either way, despicable in my book.

    Is it worth changing your vote for?

    Why, everyone esle in the parliament played politics with this too.

    As some wise man said ……. A pox on all their houses!

  108. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:25 am

    nil, I’m not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but, in case others have refrained ………… You are a fucken idiot!

  109. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:25 am

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:51 am

    TomR

    I read somewhere that 60% of the building work for the subs will be done by Australian companies

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 1:11 pm

    NeeeeeeeL

    The question is … WHY not 100% Why French … they buggered up the desal plant here … it was rusting before it even started up … the French excuse “we don’t have experience in tropical climates” … a desal plant is in the fkn sea … and another French company built trains for Queensland … with air conditioners on the roof … they hit the tunnels!

    Australians NEED a heavy (and light) manufacturing industry!

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 1:44 pm

    I guess it is not 100% because we do not have the expertise. Same goes for the Collins Class. WE needed help from the Americans to get them working

    I have no idea why the French were chosen. I would think in most things a govt would follow Public Service advice. I wonder if Abbott was PM what would have happened? We may have gone for the Japanese

  113. shaneinqld permalink
    December 11, 2018 1:49 pm

    Horrified.
    Snickers now made in China.
    Well there is another chocolate company that has lost my business in addition to Cadbury.
    They do it so sneakily I am running out of options from the local supermarket.
    Rolo still made in Aus from what I can gather.

  114. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 2:17 pm

    I may be paranoid, but, imo, the only reason they chase manufacturing away, is their hatred of Unions.

    Yes, I’m beginning to think that they are just that petty.

    Nothing else makes sense (except of course feathering their own nests)

  115. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 3:23 pm

    TomR

    Manufacturing is leaving because it is too expensive to make stuff here. Why don’t you start your own manufacturing company and show us how it is done. Perhaps if govt was not so big and tax the crap out of people companies may stand a better chance. Size of govt has exploded since Whitlam was elected

  116. Tony permalink
    December 11, 2018 6:04 pm

    Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines. I’ll come back.

  117. Individual`Won`Teabag permalink
    December 11, 2018 6:09 pm

    Sorry teamcheerer, it is neither stupid, petty, etc. What it has been is willful sabotage of our nation by the duopoly; they have all willfully inflicted the failed yank blueprint upon citizens. Not just manufacturing, wireCo, all the outsauced govt responsibility and flogging off national assets (power,phone). l consider the whole lot of it as willful sabotage. lf a bluecollar bozo without uni degree (me) can easily identify our corporate owned corrupt duopoly following this failed yank blueprint and selling out all other citizens. You really need to think hard about all these uni trained staff in the legacy fakenews outlets; most corporate owned; and for how long they have happily prattled ‘investment creates-jobs’ since thatcher and theGipper days.

  118. shaneinqld permalink
    December 11, 2018 7:24 pm

    Hi Tony

    I am talking about chocolate 🙂

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 7:28 pm

    Snickers now made in China.

    Milky Way … Crunchie … made in Oz Cadbury.

    Rolo was/is a Pommie choc … Mackintosh from memory the toffee makers … but they were bought out by Nestle and they’re Swiss … its all so confusing!

    I too am a Snickers fan … when my parents owned a “corner store” (remember them?) we could by outers – a counter box of chocolate bars at wholesale price … I used to put a box in the freezer …

    For the times they are a changing …

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 7:40 pm

    I guess it is not 100% because we do not have the expertise. Same goes for the Collins Class. WE needed help from the Americans to get them working

    1. We do have the expertise – the engineers and tradespeople that designed, built, modified and improved the Collins … all that knowledge, skill and expertise destroyed by the government …

    2. The Collins Class was the best none nuclear submarine in the WORLD after four years of tweaking … a very short time considering Aus had never built a sub … think F35 and its still not “perfick” …

    3. In exercises against the US, two US aircraft carriers were sunk by Collins Class subs … an event that military planners had deemed “impossible” …

    4. We did need “help” from the Yanks …. because the US would not share electronics and codes that any first level ally would be entitled too … actually need to fight a war with the US (think Five Eyes)

    Do you understand anything at all?

    Did you know that China now makes Snickers?

    Although I’d bet that Snickers are made by Hershey in the USofA … do they have Snickers in the US?

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 7:45 pm

    Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines. I’ll come back.

    G’day ToSY … Neel is talking BS … ?

    What’s happening in your neck of the woods … ie what would you like to discuss?

    At my age I’ll talk about anything …

    BTW The Minister has decided to scrap all the fish oil and krill oil and we now “indulge” in hemp oil … hehehehehe … it has no ss-ii-i-de efffffffcts at alllllll … mhmh 🙂

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2018 8:40 pm

    Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines

    People are very dependable here

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 8:57 pm

    TB

    Significant work on the Collins Class was done overseas

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 11, 2018 8:59 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine#Construction

    “One of the main criteria of the project was that Australian industries contribute to at least 60% of the work; by the conclusion of the project 70% of the construction and 45% of the software preparation had been completed by Australian-owned companies.[27] Work was sub-contracted out to 426 companies across twelve countries, plus numerous sub-sub-contractors.[39] In many cases, components for the first submarine were constructed by companies outside Australia, while those for the following five boats were replicated by an Australian-owned partner or subsidiary”

  125. Whether`Whys`Teabag permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:17 pm

    2nd blah Yes teebz; both nation and citizens need “ heavy (and light) ” industries. Unfortunately many have gone unnecessarily; won`t be back anytime soon; with more to go. By the time the teabag panic sets in with the imbeciles in charge; it will be way too fcuking late for them to change their mind and change direction. Working example; global cooling. Federal fcukwits still in denial of existence of weather; only thing hospitals and city mayors around the world could do since paris heatwave 2014ish, is expand morgue dead primate capacity. No hope on any other front.

  126. Tom R permalink
    December 11, 2018 9:34 pm

    a very short time considering Aus had never built a sub … think F35 and its still not “perfick”

    Exactly.

    When you consider it in light of what they achieved in a relatively short time, it was an outstanding effort, which was simply ridiculed and misrepresented by the libs in order to achieve their goal, destruction

    Oh. You’re talking about unions. And F35’s. And submarines

    What about the bloody Chocolates! (and a little diversion into encryption and poxes)

    Maybe he’ll stay if we do some poetry?

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 11:24 pm

    People are very dependable here

    Some are …

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 11:26 pm

    Significant work on the Collins Class was done overseas

    Parts suppliers is not significant work …

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2018 11:28 pm

    Maybe he’ll stay if we do some poetry?

    They seek him here

    They seek him there

    That damned elusive ToSY

    Is … everywhere!

  130. Whether`Whys`Teabag permalink
    December 11, 2018 11:57 pm

    You would think a so-called small govt libertarian like tinfoil`osy would definitely have something to say on the sheer waste; and NO bang for bucks on; F35junkcraft, wireCo and canoes that will be six decades of good jobs (with economic benefit) for 9000-to 13000 fulltime workers.

    ___

    The collins class canoes defeating the yanks in wargames has been a doco too. Did you see it teebz.

  131. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 8:45 am

    Is … everywhere!

    Nevermore 😦

  132. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 8:52 am

    After all the blow up about the Emma Alberici article where they claimed errors where there were none, this article just drips with liberal propaganda, most obviously, the repeated threats of recession and disaster, without a dissenting voice, but also the repeated lie that ” more than half of negative gearers earn less than $80,000.”

    It’s taxable income dimwits.

    So, will we see the same outrage a they portrayed over the perfectly valid Alberici column?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-12/housing-industry-insiders-issue-negative-gearing-warning/10602484

  133. Shane in QLD permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:04 am

    TB
    Milky Way are made by Mars the same people who make snickers so no doubt they will migrate to China as well.

    A lot of Cadbury is no longer made in OZ and all Cadbury roses chocolates are made in NZ or further afield. Also it does not taste the same anymore.

    Rolo while being owned by Nestle is still made in Australia. Actually I think the Nestle chocolate is now far superior to Cadbury

  134. shaneinqld permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:10 am

    Trump saying he will take delight in shutting down government if he doesn’t get his own way. Sounding more like a dictator every day.
    The USA no longer the leader of the free and democratic world, but rather the leader of a religious, gun toting, election rigging, gerrymandering, senator stripping right wing, nutjob of a country.

  135. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:20 am

    Sounding more like a dictator every day.

    Sounding more like our grubmint every day.

    Oh, yea, you just said that 😉

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 9:21 am

    nutjob of a country

    So this is the same country that twice elected Barak Obama and gave the majority of votes to Hilary Clinton.

    To treat the US as a homogeneous entity is no less prejudiced than making the same statement about other nationalities.

    Trump is a complete and dishonest f***wit, but 30 years ago we had Jo for Canberra and more recently Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson.

    I’m obviously all for the most vehement criticism of Trump, but the majority of US citizens didn’t support him, so I don’t go for the generalisations.

  137. shaneinqld permalink
    December 12, 2018 10:42 am

    ToM

    You are more than happy to generalise about unions !!

    Please tell me which part of my comment was a generalisation instead of the truth based on facts and actions since 2016.
    States where republicans have lost their positions at the mid terms are now trying to limit powers of the democrats who have been elected to replace them. The thuggery of the party is really starting to show.
    That would be like the LNP here trying to stop the new ALP PM having exactly the same powers as the LNP did before they lost the election. It has become a laughing stock to state the USA is democratic and a bastion of leadership and a leading example for the rest of the world.

  138. shaneinqld permalink
    December 12, 2018 10:43 am

    ToM

    Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson are not the government.

  139. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 10:56 am

    Clive Palmer and Pauline Hanson are not the government.

    No, the grubmint is 😦

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:01 am

    No Shane, I don’t generalise about unions. If you rwad my comments you would know that I’m specifically critical of unions that have coverage of mining, construction and most of manufacturing

    Or the politicization and mixed/inconsistent objectives that occurs through affiliation

    I think calling an entire, diverse country a nutjob is prejudiced. It is diverse and has country that has elwcted more progressive governments than Australia.

    Like most countries the USA has cultural elements that are ugly and others to be admired.

    There is no reason to lump New York, San Francisco, Boston, New Oreans etc with Alabama and Mississippi etc

    A friend recently observed that ge used to dislike the US, but then reflected on the books he read, the music he listened to and the films he watches. He decided that such generalisations didn’t make sense.

  141. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:18 am

    No Shane, I don’t generalise about unions

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Wait! What?

    😯

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:21 am

    … the books he read, the music he listened to and the films he watches …

    A generalisation if ever I read one … actually a very narrow minded one … books, music and films from around the world are usually far more sophisticated than US “trash” …

    The USA is/has/and will always be a War Monger …

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:22 am

    Now where’s ToSY?

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 11:25 am

    TB are you simply being ignorant or deliberately and ignorantly provocative?

  145. shaneinqld permalink
    December 12, 2018 1:42 pm

    ToM

    Funny how you cannot see how you generalise about unions but you can see how I generalise about the USA.

    Books and music and films are created by individual minds not from the country as a whole.

    I am generalising the country as whole because even the democrats support a lot of the capitalist ideas that are reducing its working class to poverty.

    I generalise because I DO NOT want us to follow the USA. Far better to follow many other countries including Norway for our taxes and social services and New Zealand for our elections and parliamentary make up.

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 2:25 pm

    Shane, I think you’re very wrong, and here are a couple of examples of why.
    • I recently stayed at a hotel for a vacation, the employees were on strike. I posted in a positive way about how they conducted themselves.
    • I’ve commented regularly about the good work of several unions, and the way they are singularly/unequivocally focused on obtaining better conditions for their members.
    I could provide more details, but you’ve obviously made up your mind about my orientation
    Being specific about the inherent conflict between member’s interests and political/affiliation interests isn’t a general comment. It is specific.
    Outlining specific examples of unsatisfactory behaviour by union officials also isn’t general.
    Calling a country of 325,000,000 a “nutcase” while ignoring its diversity is an example of bigotry in my opinion.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 2:50 pm

    https://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/dear-male-cyclists-lose-the-attitude-20181211-p50ljk.html

    Dear male cyclists, please lose the attitude

    Finally a sensible opinion piece from Fairfax some media company

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2018 3:15 pm

    And while I’m at it… should this report continue to be suppressed?

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-12/cfa-bullying-sexism-veohrc-ufu-union-firefighting-culture/10605368

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