Serendipity and fate
Believe it or not, I actually (occasionally) think a great deal about some of the comments made here on the blog, more recently taking some time to consider other’s points of view – especially when those views may challenge my own deep rooted beliefs.
Some folks here may be familiar with my contempt for christianity, especially those who seek to impose their christian-based beliefs on non-believers. This has caused many ructions throughout my life; particularly in my childhood and formative years growing up in a religious household. Without going into further detail, the emotional and psychological damage this caused would be felt for many years afterward in many ways.
Obviously I’m not Robinson Crusoe in that regard and the damage inflicted by religious institutions on many other people (young and old and) numbers many hundreds of thousands.
My outspoke disdain towards christians has been called out on a couple of occasions on the blog as a form of bigotry, an accusation I’ve given pause to reflect upon.
Fate or serendipity (or both)
A few days ago on twitter, someone was asking someone else for some recommended podcasts to while away the hours and the name John O’Donohue was suggested; an Irish philosopher and poet. Clearly having way too much time on my hands (I was on holiday after all) I decided to look up who this O’Donohue character was and checked out the link to his webpage.
I’ve never really been one for poetry, however some of his thoughts and observations about life (and death), living and consciousness really resonated with me and so I have been reading his works online and have just ordered one of his books – Anam Cara: A Book of Celtic Wisdom. I may have discovered a new-found interest in poetry as a result. Or at least O’Donohue’s anyway.
To make such a discovery in such a random and unpremeditated way in some circles might be considered serendipity, however I may be forgiven for thinking other forces may be at work when I learnt that at the age of 52 O’Donohue passed away suddenly and unexpectedly in his sleep almost to this very day ten years ago. Coincidentally, being of the same age and a fellow Celt, this made listening to this fascinating interview all the more poignant; almost as if receiving a message from the past about living here and now.
If you have the time or inclination, I’d encourage you to listen to the podcast episode rather than reading the transcript as so much more meaning is conveyed in O’Donohue’s diction than just reading the words alone.
“Transience is the force of time that makes a ghost of every experience. There was never a dawn, regardless how beautiful or promising, that did not grow into a noontime. There was never a noon that did not fall into afternoon. There was never an afternoon that did not fade toward evening. There never was a day yet that did not get buried in the graveyard of the night. In this way transience makes a ghost out of everything that happens to us.”
John O’Donohue
theguttertrash.com 
I will certainly check it out, reb.
Another strange date/time coincidence; today is my brother’s birthday.
As if that wasn’t coincidental enough…
About two decades ago, he began working (no longer in the same employment) with a bloke from South Africa who was born on exactly the same date as him (Jan 7, 197…). This day.
We are all still tight. Not surprising, as I value my brother above all others; but to even know the other individual is uncanny as fuck.
Anyone who wants to be spun the fuck out by a philosopher, should watch the Youtube vid (recent) of Slavoj Zizek carrying on like an interesting fruitcake at Oxford (I think).
* Please note, it was still Jan 7 in SA, when I made these comments above…
Having read a bit, my region of Australia, is known as The Limestone Coast.
Curiouser & curiouser.
Hint, canoeland isn`t as `fascinating` to the rest of the nation as those that live there believe it to be.
There is no point feeling guilty because the folks that claim you are a `bigot` of some type; is caused by their ilk trying to ram skyfairy down your throat; in particular, `their` skyfairy. When we look at the world we can see; buddists cleansing ethnically burma; hindus raping their way thru their caste system; the jewish nation running their industrial military landGrab complex; xtians operating global pedophile complexes. And Don`t forget the mooooooslims! The whole lot of`em are snorting their `brand` of skyfairy dust and are not truly happy unless they hook more addicts onto `their` skyfairy dust which they believe stops them being frightened of death.
On a long enough timeline; the survival rate for every primate falls zero.
So enjoy.
On a long enough timeline; the survival rate for every primate falls TO zero.
So enjoy.
Transience is the force of time that makes a zombie of every parliament. There was never a policy, regardless how beautiful or promising, that did not turn into a monster. There was never a team that did not trip over itself. There was never an idea that did not fade before the public. There never was a leader yet that did not get buried in the graveyard of their team. In this Canberra way, transience makes a zombie out of everything that happens in Aust.
“”Anyone who wants to be spun the fuck out by a philosopher, should watch the Youtube vid (recent) of Slavoj Zizek carrying on like an interesting fruitcake at Oxford (I think).””
Thanks boss, I’ll check that out tonight.
“There is no point feeling guilty because the folks that claim you are a `bigot` of some type; is caused by their ilk trying to ram skyfairy down your throat.”
Rest assured there’s no sense of guilt or anything like that involved, Bagz.
I still think that christians are hypocritical and delusional – particularly the born again happy clappy mob and those that are convinced that the Bejebus is coming back. Special mention goes out to the catholics who maintain wealth, power and influence based on decades of fear, manipulation, torment and persecution.
It’s more about reflecting on my own disdain towards christians (which borders on hatred with a passion) and whether this is really healthy. After many years of harbouring resentment over what this mob did to my childhood (and to many others over the years, and still to this day), I don’t think it’s particularly healthy for me to hold on to this anger and hatred any more.
So I’ve kind of reached the realisation that I’m perhaps more inclined to feel ambivalent towards them and perhaps even a little sorry for them.
As someone wiser than me once said “holding on to anger is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.”
Interesting reflection reb. I think some of us also reflect on the hasty comments we make during luvely discussions, but that’s what makes this a (generally) intelligent and lively blog!
reb
Sadly so many of our politicians these days preach anger and hate and intolerance and greed with so many of them also acting on those feelings in their policies. They are also breeding anger at things that do not affect many people at all.
It’s not just politicians Shane.
Society today is all about instant gratification. And if people can’t get it, or feel that they’re somehow being denied it, while others are (perceived to be, or in reality are) getting ahead, then it breeds anger and resentment.
Where there’s anger and resentment, ppl will seek to blame someone else and minority groups or immigrants become an easy target.
What’s puzzling in all of this, is that Australia’s economy is actually doing quite well and yet there’s this creeping sense that ppl are being denied something because of other minority groups. You need look no further than the recent St Kilda protests for evidence of this.
This anger and resentment isn’t really warranted but as you point out, politicians are only to happy to play into this and use it as a way to garner votes and distract from their own incompetence.
In the space of the last 10 or twenty years or so we’ve lost a lot of the “real connectivity” we once had with each other. This morning on the tram to work, I looked around and without a hint of exaggeration 95% of passengers were staring into their handheld devices completely oblivious to the world around them.
The world of celebrity has always been around us with trashy magazines and the like but with the advent of social media ppl seem to spend a great deal of their time online staring into little devices posting photos and crap about their own lives or indulging in the fantasy lives posted by others. Very little person-to-person engagement is actually taking place in the real world anymore. It’s pretty fuckn’ sad when you go to a restaurant and you see toddlers staring into ipad screens playing cartoon games and the like but that’s the reality of society today.
I was reading an article about an “epidemic of loneliness” in society in which it attributes part of the problem to social media. I had largely expected the most lonely people to be the elderly who had perhaps lost a spouse, but was surprised to find that it is in fact young people aged 16-25. Could it be that the generation brought up addicted to hand held devices are suffering from a lack of social skills? I suspect so. I imagine it will only get worse when we now have toddlers using the fuckn’ things.
95% of passengers were staring into their handheld devices completely oblivious to the world around them.
Guess what! I’m just overlooking some of the spectacular Victorian coast, and what am I doing…
Yeah mate, dump the hate; anger; greed; envy; negative vibes, they are all no good for a healthy happy life, and you shouldn`t give team skyfairy any more of your happiness or sanity etc. Like shane; l think its disgusting that clowntown zombies have been pushing the negative vibes upon citizens.
(drink poison quote, heard it before for `hate`, its a beauty)
Hypocrites don’t know they are … and call others who disagree with their belief system … bigots …
Personally I have no “guilt” or need for “revenge” when calling out organised religions’ hypocrisies …
Facts are facts … organised religion and the programs to “make” others believe has caused more harm to the human race than anything else I can think of …
Communism, fascism and religion fall under one heading POWER & CONTROL …
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tbagz, i noticed you didn’t mention christianity in your little soliloquy above
January 8, 2019 6:57 am
xtians operating global pedophile complexes @teebz
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Three years ago; Did rainbows just `perceive` inequality?
While some of the `economic` stuff may be perceived reb; there has been a hell of a lot of `real` economic unfairness inflicted on many (and more to come). Had the FakeNews outlets not only reported home price `growth`; shareprice growth; and profit growth; but alongside reported homeless growth; poverty growth; junkjob growth; drug use growth; and mental illness growth, then folks would have a more sober and realistic view of what the situation is.
pology, tbagz … must stop skimming … have no time just lately … busy with all sorts of projects – all of them for free and all for other people!
LG tho’ … 🙂
“”While some of the `economic` stuff may be perceived reb; there has been a hell of a lot of `real` economic unfairness inflicted on many””
Absolutely.
reb
You are so correct with the isolation of our youth. They are also losing the ability to operate and associate in real world with real interactions. Instead they enter a world on facebook, or games with people they have never met, will never meet and will never know personally. They are filled with falsehoods and totally unbelievable worlds. We all know the world of the internet is filled with falsehoods and trickery.
From my perspective the change started under Keating actually. Wages used to rise by a certain number of dollars rather than a percentage. So when a wage rise was granted it was for say $10 or $15 a week. So all staff even the top got the same rise, all were compensated equally for cost of living. The only true wage rise was through promotion.
Then it was changed to a percentage rise which has totally changed the gap between the top and the bottom. From there the greed for ones own salary took over. Wages were to be hidden and private and used as a tool to drive a wedge between staff. My first job in the CBA was to tear the wages slips apart and deliver them to each staff member. All payslips were in a roll and available for all to see. By the time I left wages were a tool to drive staff to compete against each other rather than a means to provide service to customers.
“They are also losing the ability to operate and associate in real world with real interactions. “
Yep, I see it where I work… Millenials in their twenties who are completely socially awkward, have no idea how to even say hello or good morning and instead just sit at their desks staring at their phones..
Its not just at work – its in the streets and cars and restaurants and shops and homes, and its not just Millenials … its all generations … from boomers to schoolkids …
The Walking Dead are already here!
Speaking of those who think everyone should believe as they do …
Did anyone mention Vegans?
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/outrage-as-vegans-deface-queensland-butcher-with-spraypaint/news-story/3f92fa5ed7eac1f96ec89995a9cacb6b
Meat=delicious
“In the space of the last 10 or twenty years or so we’ve lost a lot of the “real connectivity” we once had with each other.”
This is a very important recognition.
II think, maybe the last 10-15 years or so?
Maybe because we couldn’t afford the devices 20yrs ago?
My progeny is almost 19yo, but was ‘device deprived’ until she was through most ‘socially formative’ periods, then supervised; now adult.
Hasn’t really been a problem for us.
My nephews…6+ years behind her. Sometimes you’d struggle to get recognition from them if they had their gaze FIXATED upon their tablets etc.
Anyhow, there’s no replacement for genuine, first person interaction, to engender humanity within a human, imho.
I’m going to ignore bagz’ cheap jibe at SA. Although, it should be acknowledged that I am not within 500km of the State Capital, where the ‘identity’ & decisions originate; I’m almost Victorian, geographically.
I’d rather focus upon bagz’ rather excellent comment. @Jan 8, 6:57am
“Thanks boss, I’ll check that out tonight.”
Zizek says many interesting/contrversial things.
But what makes that particular video interesting, is that he looks like he just snorted colombian marching dust. I’m probably overlooking his normal mannerisms here…and I did find what he said fascinating.
l don`t doubt your young co-workers zombies exist reb; hypnotized by their iproduct screen; but l think it is a case of primate see, primate do. Their parents can`t go to the fcuking supermarket for 20 minutes without having to waffle on the mobile. l had one tunc nearly end up road kill in the carpark. Twice. While waffling on her mobile, about 40year old. l really don`t have a clue why any of these parents think some toddler, kinder, primary school kid needs 24/7 access to internetPorn. The kiddies are really just the product of facebook zombies that think giving away all their personal data to zuck was a good idea.
Why Millenials can’t afford to buy a home … (one reason anyway)
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/marriage/bridezilla-slammed-for-aggressive-savethedate/news-story/d99a38b136fbfdd81d7e0239e3ff2aad
The Minister and I were married in a methodist church (now a kindy) … our reception was a a tiny club my Mum was a member of … catered by family and friends … entertainment by my (then) band … and a quick two minute drive around the lagoon to our flat …
That marriage is into its 51st year and we bought our first home three years after the wedding … second 11 years later (owned the first) and lived here for 35 years … (owned for 30) … our first overseas trip I turned 50 on the Nile …
Different generations, different expectations, different lifestyles … thanks yanks … 🙂
l wonder how many times highway signage is outsauced in boltsville; and how many skims get taken to reach their current third world level.
… how many skims get taken to reach their current third world level.
You’re becoming more lucid by the comment, tbagz …
From now on every time we go up (or down) the highway, when we come to a sign we’ll all shout – “DUCK!” (only in Melbourne – at the moment)
Just checked the story, empathy for the family of the lady injured and her family …
Sue the bastards!
lucid
You’re always so diplomatic TB
LOL!
The short odd bet is that sign is NOT the only one teebz. How many more? and where? have budget skimmed signs been placed. Not just restricted to boltsville either. These things usually take time to develop; that sign did not go up today or yesterday; it will be `one` of a series of signs (and other constructions) to be using cheap dodgey failing component/s (bracket,joiner,bolt).
Remember; AxBxC equals X and if X is less than the cost of a recall; We don`t do one.
The LNP in Cahoot with irrigators are environmental vandals. The terrible consequences of their actions and Images they will not be able to escape, are now arriving at their doorstep and they are terrified of even meeting with the voters. I hope they are thrown out in a big way. There is no balance anymore just greed and theft.
Sorry meant to add this link
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/09/darling-river-fish-kill-ministers-office-says-threats-prompted-decision-to-bypass-residents
There is an algae bloom/ fish kill on the west coast too shane. l reckon the hawksbury will have one soon; if it doesn`t have one already. lt is usually the first to algae bloom and often quite persistent. All the damn farms fertilizer runoff sets this shit off.
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That footage of the sign in boltsville dropping on the car is so hypnotic, l can`t not look. That chick was so damn lucky. Also we are lucky that the following car had a dashcam.
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Between opal tower, dropping sign and river/s full of dead fish; l reckon we are looking exactly like a third world country.
Teabag
I think putting up road signs has also been outsourced these days to private contractors 😉
l just noticed that boltsville sign had a street name; then `essenden` on it. From memory `essenden` is near moonee fcuking ponds. We just lost the opportunity for a blib-free election and blib-free nation. Didn`t the fcuking sign understand that. (-:
For certain shane; road-depts (and signs) are all contracted out; obviously without due diligence sometimes. On my abc they say all thru the night the road-dept has had lots of signs `inspected` (by outsauced inspectors no doubt) since gravity related teabag panic set in. Bet it cost a small fortune.
Interesting, the most democratic counties are Australia, NZ, Scandinavian countries
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-10/democracy-index-economist-intelligence-unit-2018/10703184
Iceland and Finland are not Scandinavian they are Nordic … what about Canada, or Ireland or Switzerland – you mention none in your comment … are you cherry picking data again?
Attention to detail and accuracy is important at TGT as well you know …
There is a pattern to be noted here …
I think you meant:
In countries designated as full democratic, the Nordic countries, New Zealand, Canada, Ireland, Australia and Switzerland rate in the top ten …
Just sayin’ …
😉
ToM
According to the link you provided Norway and Iceland are the most democratic countries, while Aust and NZ are the only full democracies in the Asia Pacific Region.
I would have hoped we would have been higher than 9 although our system seems to be getting trashed and open to corruption and bribery along with entitlement rorting.
Anyone watch Channel 7 News And the report on Private Certifiers?
I think we can rest our case, shane!
… getting trashed and open to corruption and bribery along with entitlement rorting …
Bring on the Shorten Government and a Federal ICAC!
It was a general observation TB.
I think this research demonstrates some room for improvement but not a reason for complaint.
I think this research demonstrates some room for improvement but not a reason for complaint.
No complaints, ToM, just a learning exercise … you must recall my major? 😉
NYC 😉
I see lefties want more govt. Govt spending was approx 19% of GDP in 1972. It is now at 25%, one quarter of the economy. And still not enough govt for some. How much govt is enough?
Not looking forward to a Shorten govt. Corruption, bribery and entitlement rorting always goes up under labor.
I really cannot comprehend objection to such things as a Federal ICAC, from any non-partisan.
Seriously.
All of these cnuts making decisions ‘for us’ need scrutiny, and (more importantly) to know that we are scrutinising them
I don’t care how many of each/which side fall…Federal ICAC NOW!
Kneel.
I look forward to you enduring a Shorten Gov.
As you reap, shall it be…
Anybody looking at next clowntown vote as merely teams zombies-v-me-too could be in for a vainglorious shock. l still don`t think knifed kevin07 voters and knifed jooLiar voters will be swinging in behind 17% if they get the option for a quality greenish ethical phelpsish nonRepug indy.
While l didn`t see the story tb mentions above; the hive of leftists at network7 were banging on about opal tower and building inspectors a few nights earlier thanks to melissa doyle and her team of gravity alarmists. We need conclusive evidence that this so-called gravity actually exists; and isn`t just a hoax perpetuated by the science community. Just because opal tower now leans slightly means nothing. The piza tower has leaned for centuries and has been a great tourist attraction for italy. The public of the right really need to question the leftist intent of destroying what could be our leaning tower tourist attraction. Labor has questions to answer.
The total disregard for taxpayers money by the rightists who claim smaller government and lower taxes while spending our money on themselves and their ideology like pissed and drunkard sailors while slashing anything for the masses is becoming disgusting. The rules are wrong and must be changed to stop this.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/11/mathias-cormann-spent-37000-on-flights-in-one-day-to-lobby-for-tax-plan
Hi all, hope youse all had good break. I know I did, although, as always, even my relatively long one was too short.
But, I need to start the year in disagreement with some of the comments here
Could it be that the generation brought up addicted to hand held devices are suffering from a lack of social skills?
And a range of similar comments.
To be fair, it’s an easy line to run, but, to me anyway, the reality is it’s not really the kids being disengaged, just that they are becoming engaged in another manner.
I’m not saying that, compared to some ‘adults’ (I don’t include myself here, as I am becoming more and more socially awkward and disengaged than I was, but that’s another story) kids ARE socially stilted (mostly). But hasn’t that always been the case? It’s called youth, and it’s wasted on them for a reason. I mean, I look back to my youth, and marvel at the social indiscretions made in the name of learning (and ignorance and selfishness).
But I digress. ‘Millenials’ and such, to me, have a much broader social circle than we could ever have dreamed of when I was younger. Yes, they are on their phones a lot, but, as has been noted on trains etc, so is everyone. But is that wrong? I caught public transport for years when younger, and, to work and back, my head was almost always lost in a book. As were most peoples. Now, it’s in my phone, where I have either a book, movie, news or social medias. My world has expanded from what it was back then.
I also know, at least for my kids, that friendships span continents these days. We often see them sitting with their friends, all on their phones, but often, they are all talking with each other THROUGH their phones, and also with a wider group who are not present physically. And even games are a social playground these days, with as much time being spent chatting through Discord etc as playing the actual game. in effect, the games have become the local hangout.
Personally, I rejoice in this expansion, and also commend these kids who are not only learning social interaction as we did, but with a multitude of options, and challenges to learn along the way.
I support true independents, not ones like Pauline Hanson who are simply LNP hard right.
“Anyone watch Channel 7 News And the report on Private Certifiers?”
Yes………..the previous ALP Government introduced the current laws in relation to private certifiers
When everybody else here was running down the burnt-batts rabbit hole; l was the only one that pointed out building laws and inspectors were the responsibility of EACH state. l am pointing this out again (to blubbers) that 10000 structures have been wrapped in solidified PETROL across the nation under BOTH zombie and me-too state govts. Not relevant what `introduced` shit-laws when the NEXT lot were too stupid; or too corrupt; or both; to `remove` shit-laws.
the previous ALP Government introduced the current laws in relation to private certifiers
The one with eddie obeid. Explains a lot 😉
fyi, there was a good reddit post recently about the Opal Tower issue
Regulations need to be tightened, and brought back under Government control and responsibility.
TB
Mate I have no doubt we can rest our case:) and the evidence will simply get larger and larger. However corruption and greed will prevent anything happening like it does so often. Too much money being paid to too may levels of outsourcing and greased palms rather than full time public service staff who can develop a profile and monitor situations.
Tom R
That reddit link was really interesting and shows how much shit is going to hit the fan in the future due to all this outsourcing and building corruption in the name of greed. The LNP more interested in destroying the building unions than monitoring the real corruption in the building industry. So glad I do not live in a unit or house that has been built in the last 10 years.
The LNP more interested in destroying the building unions than monitoring the real corruption in the building industry
Unfortunately, as Wally pointed out, the lnp weren’t alone in this, Labor have their fair share of blame too, although, from the messages coming out, it seems they have learnt their lesson (one hopes)
So many Royal Commissions waiting to happen. They need it into the deregulation of … well everything.
Industries CANNOT regulate themselves (it seems patently obviously typing out loud)
Mind you, even obeid pales into what some are up to right now
Fan fcuking tastic reddit find teamcheerer. Nice to see the engineers admitting the faults too. Not just the blue collar plebs like us. Too bad they didn`t have more to say; particularly the stacking of `no speak english` within some construction outfits that cannot report on the cut corners.
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l wouldn`t live in `any` of these termite mounds shane; even if l won it in raffle. l`d flog it immediately.
Tom R
Agree the ALP were not innocent but at least they support a union that investigates these types of matters, not try to destroy it through ideology gone mad.
Teabag
Neither would I
Yes………..the previous ALP Government introduced the current laws in relation to private certifiers
So what – get rid of the pricks!
l was the only one that pointed out building laws and inspectors were the responsibility of EACH state.
No you weren’t …
s?w” Yes l was. And you had tumbled into the echo chamber (-: (-:
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DW `on way to canadia` (saudi chick holed up in thailand)
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The building, which cost Australian developer Ecove $165 million to build, was given the green light under the Government’s significant development legislation, which gives major developments a way of side-stepping council approval.
The legislation was introduced to address the significant housing shortage
@another big piece of the `co-dependent` corporo-govt corruption jigsaw.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-11/opal-tower-to-reopen-for-some-residents/10707392
Just to make a point, tbagz …
“””TB Queensland permalink
February 19, 2015 9:54 am
So what will be the reaction of the media, the opposition and indeed the government to the additional 17 mine and construction workers killed in 2014 while those industries contracted markedly?
Your politicising the issue, TR …
The insulation scheme was a great concept poorly managed by an incompetent minister (Garrett should have stuck to wailing on stages) and an overconfident PM. Both admitted culpability.
But the states had greater responsibility being responsible for training – even tho’ we have a national training system it is administered via each states’ Act and Regs … WH&S is also each individual state’s responsibility … registration of contractors is also a state responsibility … the contractors themselves were not charged as I understand it … the RC was indeed a travesty for all concerned and I bet the families are feeling no better because of it …
However … blaming the Abbott government for deaths in the construction industry (obviously taking notice of the CFMEU campaign) … is no better than the LNP political snottery of a RC…
WH&S is still a passion of mine … and I’ve been involved in many campaigns to raise awareness of deaths and serious injury* and as you may recall the better part of my career was in training the workforce from the then Qld President of BHP Coal to high school kids about to go to work experience …
But making safety a political football only makes it worse … more needs to be done in learning and assessment …”””
Burnt batts happened during the kevin07 era(2007-2009). Take a look at ya`own timestamp. 5-or 6-years later. lf you check the week burnt batts happened (here or maybe coffee blog) you will find a post where everybody was in the echo chamber; and everybody got unhinged with me for telling them they were all wrong and FakeNews were wrong. lt will have a timestamp of 2008, 2009 (2010???). lt stuck in my mind because it was blatant FakeNews, just as feminist jooLiar does, and mh17 has for 4`n a half years (not that im counting). Not from any `team` aspect.
Seagulls on a chip. l was the chip. (-:
Coffee2 Mar 2013
https://theaimn.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/perception-becomes-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-4658
(but not the `chip` post)
lt will have a timestamp of 2008, 2009 (2010???).
You find it …
I’ve worked with the Qld WH&S legislation since 1979 why would I suddenly “not know” who was responsible …
Watch that chip doesn’t get too big …
That seemed to be a lively discussion 5+ years ago.
Legacy outlets aborting FakeNews attempt for their echo chamber. (-:
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You`re self-identifying again, wrongly, defending self-impressive trainy trainy papers and chasing yourself down your own rabbit hole. l made no claim that you didn`t or did “not know” ohs in the (at blubbers) comment above.
I don’t really care which day we have Australia Day, bu 26 Jan is too Sydney-centric
As for citizenship ceremonies, I don’t think local councils should use them for a political statement. Seeking citizenship should involve more than just turning up. It should involve a commitment to things like –
* Support of the democratic system
* Acceptance of the rule of law
Seeking citizenship should be as important as a job application
https://www.theage.com.au/national/scott-morrison-pushes-to-make-citizenship-ceremonies-compulsory-on-australia-day-20190113-p50r2o.html
We need to change the date. It has become obvious in retrospect that it was done as another troll against our Indigenous population by the usual suspects.
We should get it back to the original imo
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/07/27/4281586.htm
We won’t, cos ‘the bbq’, but we a really lacking a break at that time of year too (mid winter)
Either way, it’s got to change …………………… again. This time hopefully for the last time.
I’d prefer 1 January, the date of federation.
Do you think the date of federation is very inclusive of the Aborigines?
Well I think it’s better than some single use fund raising day. I don’t think the date of federation excludes anyone, unless you can point out how.
I’m not particularly bothered though, 27 May was the date of the 1967 referendum . I’d be happy with that too, but I doubt whether that date would be a popular choice.
However, I don’t think ANZAC Day is suitable. And that can stand on it’s own as a commemoration.
I don’t care about the date for Australia Day … I’d like to know what date the First People recommend?
I think Federation Day date is a no … for most folks there wouldn’t be much day left!
ANZAC no … a remembrance day is different … Australia Day is a day of celebration … and should not be combined …
Get the Queen to nominate a day … she’s Head of State… NO … hate committees but a if we could get a group consisting of First People, Immigrants and, say, First Born Aussies … or whatever? ie a wide representation … of US …I like this concept:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/13/scott-morrison-forces-councils-to-hold-citizenship-ceremonies-on-australia-day
Common sense? Please explain … is it common-sense? Or commonsense?
Unfortunately SloMo no-one has commonsense, common-sense, common sense … its a fucking non-sense, nonsense, none sense word!
When you were born you couldn’t wipe you’re arse … but you’d say it was common sense … now …
All of us have learned knowledge, skill and experiences … NOTHING is COMMONSENSE!
Its a hideaway phrase or a defensive phrase – particularly for managers and supervisors avoiding responsibility! And more particularly when its a WH&S issue – “they should have known – its common sense” !
I don’t think councils should run political agendas about citizenship. 26 January is currently Australia Day. Councils have to cop it.
But, I’m entirely happy with another day!
I don’t think councils should run political agendas about citizenship
Agree, nor should the Prime Preacher …
Its a ” hideaway phrase or a defensive phrase; particularly for managers and supervisors avoiding responsibility! And more particularly when its a WH&S issue ”
@For managers, boardrooms, supervisors and others occupying seats or positions of power; l absolutely agree that `commonsense` is a piss poor answer, excuse, response to anything they are questioned about; especially 1.underlings seeking proper knowledge; and; 2.seniors seeking accountibility. However; most primates are not part of the power structure. For those primates commonsense, self-evident and bleedin`obvious are part of their common language as they observe the higher ranked circus. Working Example. There are some primates, no matter what the topic, will always come down on the side of `wealth` or the perceived `most powerful` in the debate; and usually abdicate thinking `for-self` in the process. We can see this played out nationally as the corporo-political structure follows the `failed-yank blue-print`. War on drugs; tuff on crime; work for dole; private health; outsauced inspectors and many more are all proven yank blue print failures. Bleedin`obvious, common sense, self evident failure to those of us that paid attention.
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ORIGINAL STORY: CNN requests KUSI for local view on the border, declines our reporter after finding out wall works
https://www.kusi.com/kusi-news-gets-a-shoutout-from-the-president-of-the-united-states/
@since the pilot episode cnn has been shooting itself in the head and making foxtard look sane
Yomm, with Federation came the White Australia Policy
I suppose the first federal parliament reflected a range of views that seemed suitable for the times. Just as the current one does.
That’s an insufficient reason in my opinion.
There should be a national day, and the date of federation seems most suitable to me.
suitable for the times.
It lasted almost 80 years ffs
We have too much bad history. imo, we cannot have a national day until we acknowledge and rectify OUR mistreatment of the Aboriginal people (there is probably a more exhaustive list, but this MUST come first)
Otherwise, it will always be Invasion Day.
I’d prefer not to simply leave a national day as a Sydney-centric celebration
Celebrating the day Australia became a single country makes sense to me.
I’m very supportive of indigenous reconciliation but I don’t think we have to delay moving the day until we rectify every wrong
The first clowntown business this year that a properly functioning press pack should be tackling is; 1.the scribbling away of citizens rights by zombies and me-too before last years close; and; 2.phelps boatie bill that was timed out by filabustering. Thanks to greenist and pinkists that didn`t do their due diligence by getting the 300ish tribes to come back to them with the `actual` date they want them to fight for; all they have done is provided the zombies with their hysteric Aust-day `defenders of the faith` distraction which the zombies are already leading the FakeNews outlets by the nose with; and feeding the usual echo chambers.
ToM
I just think that January 1 as the date would ensure that the Australia Day side of things would be lost in the New Years Day celebrations.
I think there should be a number of dates proposed and then let voters decide.
How about 3 March when the Australia Act come into force that made us truly independent from the UK.
What is really important now is; the zombies work the greenist and pinkists into such a lather that; in their over stimulation they trade away a paid public holiday; so of course Jan.01 fits the program.
… made us truly independent from the UK.
Truly independent? I don’t think so …
Truly independent?
Yea, who’s our head of state again?
This is gold…
https://thebugonline.com.au/2019/01/14/howard-v-coward-eyewitnesses-tell/
Otherwise, ” it will always be Invasion Day. ” @say the greenist and pinkists correctly. But look at the conundrum they have thrown themselves into. There is only 350ish other dates (not xmas, easter, newyears) that don`t have other `events` booked and drown out Aust-day. Of those 350ish remaining days; and once they consult the 300ish tribes; just how many dates are there that won`t attract the `local-invasion-day` label; or other labels like chained-slave day; rape-day; murder day; kidnap day; massacre day; genocide day; nukietest guinee pig day. The greenist and pinkists on the ground will `endlessly` continue to be disappointed on this matter because their team leaders have no where near the levels of `ability` (of all types) to resolve the matter any time soon. So it will remain a club for the zombies to thump them with.
just how many dates are there that won`t attract the `local-invasion-day` label;
fer the slow of understandment
“imo, we cannot have a national day until we acknowledge and rectify OUR mistreatment of the Aboriginal people (there is probably a more exhaustive list, but this MUST come first)”
TB and ToM R
Ok point taken , but I think it is a good date as it made us more independent, not totally, is that ok
we cannot have a national day until we acknowledge and rectify OUR mistreatment of the Aboriginal people
We already have a national day – 26 January, whether or not you accept it. There is a century/generations of effort required to rectify the mistreatment/dispossession of aboriginal people. I don’t think the issues are necessarily sequential.
ToM R
Didn’t Kevin Rudd say sorry ?
Are you using the word rectify to mean reimbursement or compensation ?
Now don’t go off the handle I am being devils advocate.
ToM
Yes we do already have a national day, but it would be nice if it was a day we could agree on, not just white old men and women. After all it has only been this day since 1994.
Didn’t Kevin Rudd say sorry ?
And at the same time, supported the Intervention (which you will recall was all built on lies)
It would have been a good place to start, but our actions since diminish it.
we ” cannot have a national day until ” @bullshit, we have one already.
until ” we acknowledge ” @sorryDay?
and ” rectify OUR mistreatment ” @generally speaking teamcheerer, l agree, (300ish tribes)
a ” more exhaustive list ” @correct (300ish tribes)
but ” this MUST come first ” @really? Do all 300ish tribes demand this? Or is this greenist and pinkist white folk dumping all tribes into one generic tribe? Pretending that one generic tribe all suffered identical abuse; need identical `rectifyings` is false. Pretending the duopoly or greenist leadership have any ability to solve anything; including tribe affairs; is false too.
Aborigines have been railing against the date of Australia day since it begun being held on that date
And, try to write with some English understanding, it’s not usually worth bothering attempting to interpret you
Teamcheerer wants `another` date set. Teamcheerer wants various un-specified pre-conditions (rectifyings) met `before` date can be set. Teamcheerer setting self up for failure. Teamcheerer has delusional belief in various leaderships. Plain enough?
Teamcheerer wants `another` date set. Teamcheerer wants various un-specified pre-conditions (rectifyings) met `before` date can be set. Teamcheerer setting self up for failure. Teamcheerer has delusional belief in various leaderships. Plain enough?
The ColouredCartonCounter wants to keep plodding on regardless of the hurt caused or the ignorance maintained
Some Invasion Day reading for you
https://meanjin.com.au/essays/11312/
January ” 14, 2019 3:28 pm ” @your whole comment shows you didn`t actually read the previous comments dummy; you just skimmed and went into `teamDefence` without comprehending. Caught out. (-:
without comprehending.
yor inane blatherings. Of course not
And I have explained to you before about this.
Don’t whinge to me if I’ve missed some cryptic meaning within yor blatherings. Write in English, or stop yer whinging
Write in English, or stop yer whinging
Hear! Hear!
Attempting to decipher comments 3:04 and 3:06 … is like unscrambling Scrabble form a couple of five year olds …
Or Yoda’s retarded brother …
Yoda’s retarded brother
😆
(Caaaaaaaaaaaaarp!)
Yoda’s retarded brother
That seems a little unfair to Yoda
Apparently I’v already said LOL! So LOL! Again! WordPress!
Not sure how to reply to ivi … aaaaaaaaaaa … I get it … I know who ivi is … duh!
I have a lot of empathy for our First People … and because of that I will not accept responsibility for the present … this IS a two way street … but consecutive governments do not seem to understand the concept of:
Feed a village for a week … or show the village how to feed itself …
And I’ve done a lot of work in the bush … just out West … and I’ve met some very smart Aboriginal folk … they want to be part of the nation – BS they are the nation …
I reckon we should declare our First People – Custodians of Australia … They belong to the Land … They are the Land … and we combine science and tradition to educate, train and develop our First People to manage National Parks, Waterways and Coastal Regions (including the Great Barrier Reef) … and here’s the rub … with Absolute Control!*
Wow! That`s a mighty fine echo chamber you`ve got there TC (-:
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with Absolute Control!* @ditto
WTF is TC?
(Troooooooooout!!)
What’s happening with the MDB is a travesty, and it is mainly due to human greed, nothing else.
I wonder from that article T
CB what time in 2013 the strategy was ‘shelved’, and why?What a sneaky pathetic NSW government they have, just read how they planned to drain part of the lakes dry. The secrecy, lies and deceit are really getting out of hand now even to the extent of contempt for the senate. How anyone in their right mind could vote for this criminal LNP is now totally beyond me. They all need to be locked up and the keys thrown away.Fucking reduced evaporation toward covering a shortfall. The mob of utter cnuts.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/15/murray-darling-fish-kill-greens-accuse-coalition-of-hiding-information-from-senate
“The NSW government can then count the water savings from reduced evaporation toward covering its shortfall of 345GL of water that it still needs to meet its obligations under the Murray Darling basin plan to deliver 1,312GL of water to the environment.”
NSW Government . Shitting itself now in total panic.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/15/lake-hume-fish-kill-thousands-of-new-deaths-on-murray-river
I see that the AFP are unable to convict a criminal. Auspol 2019 (carrying on from where we left in 2018)
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/01/15/michaela-cash-bill-shorten-awu/
“While I respect the independence of the AFP and CDPP, it has to be said that it is very disappointing that no charges are to be laid in a matter where Senator Cash confirmed to the Senate that a staffer confessed to a crime,”
Although, it might not be the AFP in this instance. The libs have our law enforcement stacked to the rafters
With multiple fish kills; opal tower returning to a construction site for structural repairs; another 10,000 structures wrapped in grenfell inferno-cladding; and plod not prosecuting political criminals; does anybody seriously think our corrupt duopoly will actually `fix` anything.
Yes, because Labor introduced the much maligned and now ignored MDB plan, which the farmers, (and libs) railed against
Seems they were correct.
And an ICAC would help …
And re government services being privatised – one the worst sell offs was the Labour Exchanges … unemployment was handled in a far more efficient and effective way by having a central focus tied to regional needs … now we have a mish mash of recruitment businesses sucking on the Federal teat and useless, compulsory “how to get a job” “training” … by amateurs who would have trouble getting a real job themselves …
Still it made Mr & Mrs Rudd a motza!
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-15/rob-oakeshott-announces-a-run-for-federal-seat-of-cowper/10716914
Relevance deprivation syndrome
Relevance deprivation syndrome
That sound very intelechual, ToM … WevaTF it means … I think I agree … Oakshott was a decision making loose cannon …
Mr ” Oakeshott said the recent success of Independent Kerryn Phelps in the Wentworth by-election showed him he had a chance at a return to Federal Parliament. ”
Mr “ Oakeshott believed there was a mood for change across the nation, and within his local region, where he believed his experience in politics would count when it came to his opposition. ”
@oakey has the potential to romp in. Hope he does as it will be one less seat for the duopoly.
Mr ” Oakeshott said the recent success of Independent Kerryn Phelps in the Wentworth by-election showed him he had a chance at a return to Federal Parliament. ”
Mr “ Oakeshott believed there was a mood for change across the nation, and within his local region, where he believed his experience in politics would count when it came to his opposition. ”
@oakey has the potential to romp in. Hope he does as it will be one less seat for the duopoly.
Oakshott ” was a decision making loose cannon ” @example? @can you really find an example that will outdo the duopoly?
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Or just echo chamber?
Sorry folks for the multi/double comments. At the moment w0rdpress seems to enjoy `punking` me.
While Oakshotts speech when deciding on Julia Gillard was oh so painful. He is a far better person and politician than the utter shit we have in there at the moment. Rather a boring orator with some empathy than a pack of lying bastards out to fuck everything including the environment with sell offs, outsourcing and creating more and more wealth gap.
Relevance deprivation syndrome
Are you referring to Oakshott or you?
Sorry folks for the multi/double comments.
yea, but which ones in particular?
Oakshott is a conceited windbag. But that seems to be the main criteria for a politician.
Interesting article on the pure bastard politics being played by the libs, the greens, and Adani. And Labor is stuck well and truly in the middle.
The greens are the worst, as they play the pretense that it is all for the good of the country, but again, are oblivious to the (possible) financial impact
https://insidestory.org.au/adanis-potemkin-village/
But that seems to be the main criteria for a politician.
hmm, I feel a new career beckoning 🙂
Oakshott may be a bit conceited but he has nothing on the mob in there at the moment and at least he has empathy, something lacking in the lot at the top at the moment.
something lacking in the lot at the top at the moment.
Morals?
Brains?
Compassion?
Charity?
Principles?
Where to start? 😦
And they wonder why there is no fucking water.
“Cubbie Station is licensed to take 460 Billion litres from the Darling each year.
The same amount as all the water in Sydney Harbour.”
DITCH WATER GREEDY COTTON AND GROW MORE HEMP!
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-is-hemp-2018-5
And who PAYS these politicians and public servants to allow cotton farmers to suck the nations life giving arteries … to death?
The Cotton Industry … a blight on our national agriculture, akin to tobacco!
Cubbie Station has been an abortion of business greed since it opened …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubbie_Station
“investors from China and Japan” … the commercial invasion continues!
the commercial invasion continues!
Aided and abetted by a serial rorter
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-something-stinks-in-the-coalition-and-its-not-just-dead-fish,12286#.XD8TRcOfulw.twitter
Wattawewant – FEDERAL ELECTION!
Wendowewannit! – NOW!
OK, SloMo, you know what the people want … ya reckon … so go to the polls NOW!
‘Cause that’s what the majority of Aussies want … oh, wait! I see! 🙂
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/socialist-utopia-2050-what-could-life-in-australia-be-like-after-the-failure-of-capitalism
Quaint guardian socialist utopia dream.
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l`m pretty sure cubby has dug huge lakes in their paddocks and built huge levy/s preventing flood waters flowing thru to their downstream neighbors shane. Pack of tuncs.
Royal Commission into aged care.Once again an RC into something privatised and outsourced to contractors in a claim to save money. Allowing the elderly to be treated like a commodity. Well done Bronwyn Bishop and John Howard, you two will never experience what so many elderly and their families have as a result of the greed in the industry since it was privatised. May you both rot in hell.
The ideology of privatisation is coming back to haunt us again and again.
Shane, when was aged care privatised? That sector has always been a combination of private, church/charitable and government.
It was outsourced and privatised under Howard and Bronwyn Bishop
Just how low can an LNP government go !!!. All to save the skin of the LNP in NSW. I hope the SA people remember this at the next election.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/18/murray-darling-commissioner-offers-to-include-menindee-fish-kill-in-inquiry
My opinion is that children should be looking after their aged parents.
Shane
If you want to teach me how to lock up 50,000 boat people, I am all ears
The recent murder of a young woman in Melbourne shows-
1. The toxic attitude and culture among some men
2. The need for permanent tracking of anyone with a history of violence to women
I’m a little tired of tennis players like Tomic whinging about everything.
Tomic has a history of tanking, poor sportsmanship and self delusion.
It’s time to have a HECS system for sporting types that were developed at taxpayer expense
How much will Kelly O’Dwyer receive annually after ten years
federal serviceas a senator?@ 42 years old she wants to have a third child …
Played the system hypocritically well one would say …
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My opinion is that children should be looking after their aged parents.
Those without kids should be left out on the footpath?
You really are a dick … Neeeeeeel
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It’s time to have a HECS system for sporting types that were developed at taxpayer expense
Yep, been saying it for years … AIS students are no different UNI students – only the subjects change and how the country is hooked on sports … and those that are “super” successful should pay a percentage of winning earned on top of that …
And it still baffles me at the taxpayer $$$$ “donated” to the racing industry … why aren’t sports stadiums privatised? Surely with privatisation the prices would lower and a bag of chips would be cheaper …
“Those without kids should be left out on the footpath?”
I had thought if that. But in general children should look after their aged parents, not the govt. The govt should look after people who have nobody to look after them
The recent murder of a young woman in Melbourne shows-
1. The toxic attitude and culture among some men
2. The need for permanent tracking of anyone with a history of violence to women
#METOO
Watching the “mens” going all shitty over a friggin razor add simply highlighted that the extremes are not the only problem. The casual acceptance of violence on females was put on sharp display then.
Almost makes me want to use a Gillette (oh, shit, I already do)
Wasn’t it Kelly O’Dwyer who said that the “Liberal Party was the natural party for women.”
l`m not buying the odwyers critters 3rd child and family bullshit; my bet is; the teabags have had their private pole results; the odwyer critter was doomed; so bent over and took one for the team. Pay attention gladys!
As long as the smarmy faced boofhead disappears I really don’t care about the “reason” … rats ‘n’ ships, rats ‘n’ ships …
But $70-75,000 a year for the rest of her life, just for for 10 years
workignorantly making other people’s lives miserable ain’t bad …I think it is entirely understandable that anyone would say “enough ” to politics after 10 years. Particularly if they have a young family. Politics is an awful occupation.
Politics is an awful occupation.
Agree, if you are an awful politician …
But its a lot better (pay too) than many occupations … you’d think they were the only people who work long hours (although that seems to be “occasionally”) … or are away from family and friends .for work … try 10 months in East Timor with two days leave in Darwin and your wife two year old are in Townsville … or 15 on 7 off FIFO …
Or, dare I say it, a consultant working 15 hour days Friday to Monday and back out again on Thursday …
Yeah, politics is such an awful occupation … did I mention police officers? Nurses? Firies? Ambos?
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/man-who-shot-two-police-officers-in-glen-innes-was-a-big-game-hunter/news-story/f927fe4de2c5b4b3a8e9345ccf02846d
I rest my case …
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TB, I don’t think it is the hours, or the time away from family that makes politics such an awful occupation. You’re right, there are dozens of occupations that require that.
Politics has the awful combative culture, with hundreds of people in the opposing party researching every aspect of your private life to use against you and distorting any opinion you have expressed.
Ugly
ToM, people scramble to get a seat on the Canberra Magical Mystery Tour being shot at either in cams or blue uniform would strike me as more ugly … and try selling H&S in the real world …
… awful combative culture FFS … not many of ’em walk early! And they all end up in cushy jobs …
I kicked Luke Howarth out of my lounge room a few years ago, ’cause he was the fucking drongo, wandering around in his work boots on new carpet, on his mobile, like he owned the place … next thing I know he’s the member for Petrie FFS! I knew his old man – all Lukey wanted to do was get a seat on the gravy train … these people have no idea what fkn hard and ugly is AND most folks I know don’t just drop out of a job – ’cause they CAN’T afford to!
I really doubt the odwyer critter is chucking in her 5k, 6k, 7k, 8k, 9k, ? each and every week of the year, plus gravy train perks. The look on her `resigning` for breeding bullshit face was obvious her numbers are to bad and was going to be smoked at election, or members were going to smoke her team nomination. The tunc is 42 and her greedy wide arse will be collecting gravy train level taxpayer funded pension, while `they` want poor fcukers that actually work hard have to wait until 70. They should have to wait till 70 too, then get the same 13k/pa the rest of the pensioners get.
Actual ” Liberal Party footage ” @part of this l suppose?
sbs news is hinting at more teabag rats set to jump from sinking ship
Or thrown over board.
I really doubt the odwyer critter is chucking in her
We agree Barb W … whoever you are*
Heee *
13k/pa … ’tis actually 17k … couple 34K … think about the the couple and one dies!
sbs news is hinting BTW that’s referring to the USA … but still appropriate here …
Or thrown over board. Meaning you and me of course, wotsyernamenow?
So the LNP gives $443,000,000 of taxpayers money to a private company for the reef, for that private company to then outsource the first job to a government agency. This is just amazing and their ideology has gone mad. Talk about money for the boys and taxpayers money to boot.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/21/great-barrier-reef-foundation-funds-first-project-after-controversial-443m-grant
TB fully agree about your comments to ToM in relation to politicians. There are far worse jobs with far worse conditions for far less benefits. Over the years PMs have feathered their nest to the extent that it has become a cash cow for life for most of them and they lose their ability to relate to the real employee situation, while benefits and conditions to all other workers have been eroded the benefits and conditions for MPs have increased and now they are proposing to have us taxpayers support them and their families to live in Canberra during weekdays and their electorate on weekends. FFS what about all the other workers that are away from their families. The poor little shithead MPs want to be with their family all the time, well when all other employees have that benefit then the fuckers can have it. Otherwise get your greedy filthy grubby theft ridden hands off the public purse for more money and benefits you scum sucking leeches of the world. Including the jobs for the boys for all failed MPs .
Never thought I would ever have so much hatred for our politicians, but the lot in power have pushed peoples to the end.
*** PMs should be MPs as it is all of them and not just the PMs.
I haven’t said it is the worst job in the world, but the political culture is ugly. Having an entire organisation with the objective of trawling through your personal history to find something damaging is not attractive.
The innuendos about family …. a decade in politics would be 10 years too long for most.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-21/cctv-footage-shows-police-officer-assaulting-man/10729284
And another thing… I’m quite sick of the way police are feted. They have a poor culture, are rude, unresponsive to requests for assistance, are lazy and bullies.
For pbluc servants they would rank bottom for service.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-21/cctv-footage-shows-police-officer-assaulting-man/10729284
And another thing… I’m quite sick of the way police are feted. They have a poor culture, are rude, unresponsive to requests for assistance, are lazy and bullies.
For pbluc servants they would rank bottom for service.
Oliver Yates is a member of the Liberal party and former chief executive of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/20/we-are-paying-scott-morrison-527k-to-essentially-run-a-caretaker-government
For pbluc servants they would rank bottom for service.
Not politician warmongers (historically Liberal) responsible for killing and maiming thousands … in wars around the globe?
Mmmm …
In my experience police are deliberately provocative, dumb bullies.
They go for soft targets and they have no sense of public duty. If the counter staff at Centrelink had a similar attitude there would be outrage.
You obviously haven’t been to centrelink for a while, have you?
Must be a personality “thing” … I find the thin blue liners to be professional and courteous and to have a sense of humour and empathy in many cases …
Centrelink the same – time drags waiting to be served … but the quality and demeanour of staff is also professional and the Financial Service Information (FIS) officers are second to none when it comes to investment advice – we recommend them to everyone … they are independent and don’t have a barra to push (or flog) … and the service is free to anyone – anyone, ToM
I could provide examples of stupid and deliberate police harassment of a few young people I know, and the rudeness when my wife was randomly breathalyzed… not to mention the disinterest and incompetence when our house was burglarized a few years ago.
Every interraction I’ve had with the police has shown them to be dumb bullies. They haven’t changes since it was the preferred career option for dumb bullies when I was a youth.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction …
You do know that “investigating” burglaries is pretty useless use of police time, don’t you?
NB: We too were burgled in 2011 … police officers were fine arrived within ten minutes of our call (coppers found our car, that the thieves also stole, within two days) … but the insurance company claim ended up with the Ombudsman … talking about incompetence, disinterest, stalling and bloody mindedness …
“The innuendos about family …. a decade in politics would be 10 years too long for most.”
ToM if it is so bad, why do they seek re election, why do they have 6 years senate terms, why do they lie and cheat to stay in office ?
I see 7.30 has a report about police violence . How totally unsurprising. The police culture is bullying because there are so many dumb violent bullies in the police.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-21/doctor-claims-she-was-assaulted-by-police/10731622
Police assault doctor. I’m sure they were just doing their job… and no doubt she deserved it.
Shane, I didn’t say it was intolerable. I said I could understand anyone thinking 10 years is enough.
I have no doubt there are plenty that are willing to sacrifice their families and ethics.
ToM
“I have no doubt there are plenty that are willing to sacrifice their families and ethics.”
Yes and what for, if it is not greed and wealth ?.
While my experience with the police is mixed I would much rather they be there than not, that’s for sure. You seem to be branding all police as bullies, just like you accused me of branding all Americans 😉
So, the libs are shoring up the system for their time in the wilderness.
Labor needs to come in with a big brush, right off the bat.
The government has come under fire for appointing six new members to the Fair Work Commission, all of whom had similar backgrounds.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2019/01/21/coalition-fair-work-commission/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020190122
And there was a recent lib pollie just got the job that abbott swiped off of Steve Bracks when he came in. Yes, Labor SHOULD be petty in this case.
And yes, many cops earn the title “pigs”, although, like so many other examples, I feel it is the few making the lot seem bad. I have had several interactions with extremely capable officers, only a few with bad apples.
Warren Mundine to become Liberal candidate in Gilmore!
That’s quite interesting, Mundine is an excellent individual regardless of his political affiliation.
No doubt there will be many ALP barrackers that will provide a stream of insults.
TomR
From your link
“The Rudd and Gillard Labor governments appointed 22 members with two – Ingrid Asbury and John Stanton – coming from employer backgrounds and some others coming from government.”
Sounds like Rudd/Gillard stacked the board
numbnuts, from my link
“But not till the Abbott government was elected in 2013 has balance been abandoned.”
Rudd/Gillard were elected before Abbott. In fact they were in power from 2008-2013
“The Rudd and Gillard Labor governments appointed 22 members with two – Ingrid Asbury and John Stanton – coming from employer backgrounds and some others coming from government.”
ToM
I have a feeling many of his indigenous family will trade the insults rather than anyone else.
Yes nil, and that came after heavy stacking from howard, which Labor rebalanced.
This is why conversing with you is pointless, you’re stupid.
I have a feeling many of his indigenous family will trade the insults rather than anyone else.
😉
FWC did not exist under Howard.
And I still remember people saying Howard stacked the ABC board. Then found out the truth. He managed to have the ABC board have 40% Conservatives which is directly equal to their proportion in the population.
And as usual you are lying again. labor does not re-balance anything. labor just stacks
yor a moron nil
Since the days of the Howard government in the 1990s, appointments to the FWC and its predecessors have been slanted towards the political hue of the serving government. But not till the Abbott government was elected in 2013 has balance been abandoned.
Mr Howard made 17 appointments to the key industrial relations tribunal and at least two, Michael Roberts and Bill Mansfield, had union backgrounds.
I would call this abandoning balance
“The Rudd and Gillard Labor governments appointed 22 members with two – Ingrid Asbury and John Stanton – coming from employer backgrounds and some others coming from government.”
That’s because you are an idiot
his indigenous family will trade the insults rather than anyone else
I don’t see why that would be the case. I’d suggest you watch the usual barrackers rip into him!
So, the libs are shoring up the system for their time in the wilderness.
I doubt that but you are right about time in wilderness. But why? Unemployment is lower than any time under hawke/keating. The economy is doing OK. We are not locking up boat people any more
When labor gets back in you can forget about the budget returning to surplus hence our debt will continue to increase but faster than under the Coalition. Unemployment will rise. Whatever manufacturing industry we have will be destroyed. And the boats will start again.
I cannot think of a single good thing a ALP govt will bring
I cannot think of a single good thing a ALP govt will bring
I’ve mentioned before why that may be the case
No hiding from who is to blame now !!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/22/the-darling-river-fish-kill-is-what-comes-from-ignoring-decades-of-science
This from 2004
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/warning-of-global-anarchy-20040224-gdiexo.html
A secret report prepared by the Pentagon warns that climate change may lead to global catastrophe costing millions of lives and is a far greater risk than terrorism, a British weekly has said…..
Some examples given of probable scenarios in the dramatic report include:
-Britain will have winters similar to those in Siberia as European temperatures drop off radically by 2020.
-By 2007, violent storms will make large parts of the Netherlands uninhabitable and lead to a breach in the aqueduct system in California that supplies all water to densely populated southern California.
“Catastrophic” shortages of potable water and energy will lead to widespread war by 2020.
AFR ” Construction giant Lendlease is under pressure to complete fortification works at federal Parliament, delayed into 2019 after strengthening of secure entrances ground to a halt.
The long-running delays at the building’s House of Representatives and Senate entrances are being blamed on the failure of Melbourne-based subcontractor Steelvision to meet a mid-2018 deadline in replacing metal and glass work, part of efforts to secure MPs from security threats including bomb blasts.
The doors ; used by thousands of people on sitting days, including MPs, staff and visitors ; have been closed since early 2018. Stalled construction works have sat untouched for months at the Senate entrance to Canberra’s Parliament House. No work has taken place for months, despite the original target for completion in July 2018. ”
https://www.afr.com/news/politics/parliament-security-upgrade-delays-push-fortification-works-into-2019-20181229-h19jnk
@no complaints about daOnions yomm @take a look at more 20%skim shane
At my abc ” It has been revealed that last year, the company received a grant worth more than $500,000 from the Victorian Government, which, weeks later, took Steelvision to court to recoup $135,000 in unpaid payroll tax. ”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-22/subcontractors-working-on-parliament-house-left-unpaid/10736440
my abc “ Subcontractors working on a multi-million-dollar security upgrade at Parliament House have been left hundreds of thousands of dollars out of pocket after the company that hired them went broke.
Key points:
* Steelvision won the contract to work on Parliament but stopped paying its suite of subcontractors around August last year * The massive upgrade of Parliament House security has turned the building into a construction site for more than a year * Steelvision is due to appear in the Victorian Supreme Court on Wednesday
Victorian-based company Steelvision won the contract to make and install hardened entrance doors, but stopped paying its suite of subcontractors around August last year.
Its contract has now been terminated but the troubles have delayed the $126 million project by at least eight months and no new completion date has been set. ”
@reality seems to reflect your and mine comments shane. The inHouse, not so much (-:
No point listening to them dummy. When have da pentagon `ever` got anything right. Just keep your own eye on that greenland iceblock for all your global cooling fun!
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Yep just another privatisation ideological cockup from these cnuts, gifting taxpayers money to profit making enterprises instead of the public broadcaster.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jan/23/coalitions-171m-pacific-broadcasting-plan-was-not-sought-out-by-commercial-networks
shaneinqld, shades of the GBR giveaway. Their not even hiding their acts now. And what’s even stranger, the recipients seem oblivious to the largess
No point listening to them dummy. When have da pentagon `ever` got anything right. Just keep your own eye on that greenland iceblock for all your global cooling fun!
The point is how wrong the climate scientists were. Britain was going to have a climate like Siberia by 2020
Global warming/climate change/climate cooling or whatever they call it now has to be one of the biggest frauds in human history. The fact that the ALP supports it without question is all the reason I need to know global warming/climate change is fraudulent. ALP and its supporters are frauds and attracted to anything fraudulent
ToM R
The LNP is going to infiltrate our neighbours with the likes of MKR and Married at first sight and other utter shit while paying the private operators to broadcast this rubbish with my taxes. They can fuck off and give the broadcasting back to the ABC. The absolute worst government in history.
Shane
U annoy me. Govt was 19% of the economy under Whitlam. It is now at approx. 25%. How big do u think the govt should be? I don’t know anything about the link you posted but you can find wasteful and/or inappropriate govt spending under any govt. You are only concerned about inappropriate Coalition govt spending. You are so one-sided
So we have a new Captain after Tony Abbott and this captains call will not go down well at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/23/local-backlash-after-liberal-party-installs-warren-mundine-as-gilmore-candidate
Misda Boss! Mistda Boss! What dis for? Don`t ya worry about those NoSpeakEnglish, just toss em in the back of the ute and let the primary signage contractor earn his 20% and worry about those five bits of metal. We didn`t get any paperwork on them!
(this conversation may or may not have taken place in boltville in the not too distant past)
Shane
If the same things you moan about happen when Labor is in govt will you say the same things you are saying now? Let me answer. No. You have only one eye. A left eye
Paris 2015. Siberia 2020. Austria 2019. These are merely global cooling sideshows dummy. Greenland (sooner than expected) will remain the main show.
U have any evidence for that? Global warming is a load of left wing garbage
I was having a conversation with friends this evening and we observed that Australia Day wasn’t celebrated a generation ago.
It’s time for a new date and reset to low key recognition
Just what else would you expect form this crooked lot of thieves in the lodge at the moment.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/24/coalitions-plan-for-anti-corruption-body-a-sham-set-up-to-protect-mps-former-judge-says
ToM
You only realised that now !! ?
The official date of 26 January was set in 1994, of course it is time to set a new date but the right wing nutjobs and their hysteria, destroy anything that is sensible to debate, in the name of tradition. A tradition that is less than 30 years old. Idiots.
They harp on about tradition yet our PM wants those attending citizenship ceremonies to dress like we live in cold England rather than hot Australia. Ceremonies conducted in our boiling hot summers should reflect thongs and stubbies, not ridiculous ties and long sleeve shirts and trousers. Typical ridiculous garbage as though a persons integrity and honesty is based on a shirt and tie. More criminals and thieves dress like an Englishman than don thongs and stubbies.
I’d be quite happy with whatever date indigenous Australians are happy with.
I wonder if anyone’s thought about asking them.
our PM wants those attending citizenship ceremonies to dress like we live in cold England rather than hot Australia
Really Shane? I thought he simply suggested some reasonable dress standards. And I agree .
It is reasonable to expect people to dress as they might for (say) a job interview.
But the date was set by the Keating government, so the history isn’t exactly the work of right wing nut jobs.
It’s time for a new date and reset to low key recognition
IAGREE!
The greatest thing about being australian, is apathy.
howard changed all that, and got bogans draping themselves in flags and beating on anybody different.
Thank fuck none of the current crop of libs are anywhere near as effective as he is, as their hatred seems to run even deeper
Shane, l spelled it out on January 14, 2019 12:12 pm to TeamCheerer. The soft minds still don`t understand its really a mathematical problem.
I wonder if anyone’s thought about asking them.
bizarre idea reb. It’ll never take off
l spelled it out on
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engfe hjusdf jnmioer hoish hiuohsdf UNDERSTAND!
I “ wonder if anyone`s thought about asking them ”
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January 14, 2019 12:12 pm (-: (-: (-: (-:
How is this possible.
Oh yes, ‘protecting’ us from tewwawists
But under legislation changes published in November, Perceptive and its parent company Illion, along with betting agency Betfair and three other companies including marketing giant ACXIOM, were also granted access to the data on millions of Australian voters as part of the anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism financing push.
January 14, 2019 12:12 pm (-: (-: (-: (-:
IF what I get from that garbled mess you driveled is correct, that MAY be kinda what you were asking, but in some form of Vogon dialect?
howard changed all that, and got bogans draping themselves in flags and beating on anybody different.
It never amazes me how shameless you lefties are. I guess it is how you locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013 and not feel bad about it
“Thank fuck none of the current crop of libs are anywhere near as effective as he is, as their hatred seems to run even deeper”
This is true.
I was at a BBQ (how Australian!) on Sunday night and oddly enough the topic of conversation turned to “politicians we hate most”…
I nominated Peter Dutton and there was much wailing and groaning about how loathsome an individual he is.
Except for one member of the group who said “who’s Peter Dutton?”
Oh, just the guy who almost became prime minister I said.
ToM
Our climate is very hot in January when we have the celebrations, why on earth do you want people to dress like they are going for a job interview. Pants and Ties and Shirts and Shoes are NOT traditional dress for Australia. Traditional dress is naked if you want the truth. While I do not think we should be naked I think we should dress to our climate not to the standards and climate of a country where the temperature is many degrees below ours. Just ridiculous.
It is right wing nutjobs screaming about keeping it this date, when we know it is a touchy date for many of our citizens. that is what I meant about the right wing nut jobs. Keating may have set the date, which was a stupid date in hindsight it is the extreme right wanting to keep it this date.
Except for one member of the group who said “who’s Peter Dutton?”
I have never been more jealous of someone else before 😉
I disagree Shane. People show respect for the occasion by their dress standards. Gaining citizenship seems as important as a job interview . The country deserves as much respect as a potential employer.
I doubt whether many applicants for a job as (say) a storesperson will wear a suit. Neat clothes seems reasonable, or national dress.
I really don’t understand why this is anything contentious
I really don’t understand why this is anything contentious
because our fuckwit pm made it so.
Had to share.
“”The country deserves as much respect as a potential employer.””
Blimey.
“”Neat clothes seems reasonable, or national dress.“”
What, like this….
ToM
The country deserves loyalty. Wearing certain clothes does not align with loyalty, or honesty, or integrity, or decency. I personally suffer from a disease that reacts to heat and humidity and wear the bear minimum of clothing in this heat. Ridiculous to expect me to wear anything else.
And so it begins…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-24/nab-raises-mortgage-interest-rates-for-owner-occupiers-investors/10746426
* Apologies, I forgot to credit TB for modelling “The Gutter Trash Official Australia Day Ensemble” pictured above.
What, like this….
Modelled by Bob Katter. It has been the fashion for Queensland males for 4 decades!
“I ain’t spending any time on it because in the mean time, every three months, a person is forced to wear Invasion Day shorts in North Queensland”.
I nominated Peter Dutton and there was much wailing and groaning about how loathsome an individual he is.
Why? Dutton released from detention all the children you locked up from 2008-2013. Why is Dutton loathsome for doing that?
Perhaps you should look in the mirror and claim responsibility for the loathsome things the Rudd/Gillard govt did
reb and ToM.
That was what we wore when I first started in QLD with my previous employer. Much more cooler than black trousers, long sleeve shirt and tie. Rather comfort than looks any day.
I see Australia is taking on the might of Sri Lanka for the cricket test!!
Go Aussies!!
many ” applicants for a job as (say) a storesperson will wear a suit. Neat clothes seems reasonable ” @chuckle
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Some pinkists don`t seem to know what a `conundrum` is (-:
Even dutto knows that global cooling has the local pensioners flocking to Lowes for the day so they can enjoy shopping center grade air conditioning.
Dutton? Reb you need to look in the mirror. This is what YOU did and anybody who voted for Rudd/Gillard
Dutton is a saint compared to the sickoe deviants who voted for Labor in 2007
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore
“Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard…..he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.”
* Apologies, I forgot to credit TB for modelling “The Gutter Trash Official Australia Day Ensemble” pictured above.
Mexican Bitch* … I’ve been “entertaining” a past (think 60fkn years!) school “friend”* for the last three days** – along with his wife and son … who escaped from Melbourne and his nephew’s wedding!
I’m now “relaxing with a Bowler’s Run Semillon Sauv Blanc … and I find this …
** Now I know why I love The Minister!
Can you even imagine!
My My the desal plant built by the ALP and hounded as a white elephant by the LNP and the likes of Alan Jones and the right wing nutters is being switched on to help with the drought. So glad one side of politics actually has vision and builds things we will need in the future and doesn’t wait until a catastrophe happens in the first place. Unlike the disaster in our rivers presided over by that idiot Barnaby Joyce.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/24/sydneys-desalination-plant-likely-to-start-up-to-ease-water-shortages
Thats the east coast wankerism tho shane. ln 2003ish while john-w was goose stepping into iraq with george-w; the west-coast built a desal, powered by renew, and turned off a coalburner. lf there was a jones or bolt type stridently acting against their states safety and interest ; they would probably be shot resisting arrest while running drugs etc. @wink.wink
Bowlers Run Semillion? Does your wife use it to remove her nail polish or polish the silver?
Surely you’re not drinking it?
Surely you’re not drinking it?
You really are a wannabe “upper class” twit, ToM … and so easy to bait!
Keep it up(per lip) I luv it … I’ve see so many of your “class” come unstuck in the real world … just like Happy Clappy SloMo … the People’s Prime Preacher …
Wouldn’t have a fkn clue!
(And BTW, insults aimed at/including family have never been condoned on, sreb’s, blog – just sayin’ … )
“My My the desal plant built by the ALP and hounded as a white elephant by the LNP and the likes of Alan Jones and the right wing nutters is being switched on to help with the drought.”
A new dam would have solved the problem. But the ALP sickoes do not believe in dams. And the money spent on the desal plant would have given everybody in Australia a rainwater tank, solving our water problems for the next 100 years
Shane
You support the evil side of politics
A new dam would have solved the problem.
No rain no water in dam …
And the money spent on the desal plant would have given everybody in Australia a rainwater tank, solving our water problems for the next 100 years
I have two tanks (5000ltr 3000 ltr)
No rain, no water in tanks ….
Desal – access to the bloody oceans?
You support the evil side of politics
You support the stupid side of politics.
Go to bed, Kneeeeel. And stay there!
TB
I have 3 dams and 5 tanks and am luckier than most as I do get run off from a pipe under the cross road. 2 Dams have been empty for 2 years. 1 Dam empty as of 2 months ago. 3 Tanks empty. 2 tanks 1/2 full after that will be buying in water again. $280 for 16,000 litres which lasts a bit more than a week as I have gardens. No rain, plenty of storage but no rain.No Rain. Dams and Lakes all around western QLD and NSW are either bone empty or just about. Rivers bone dry that have never been bone dry since records began. The only water we can create when there is no rain, is desal. If people in the cities had their water stolen by irrigators and they had no water for gardens or the house there would be immediate action against the irrigators.
The quote about transience is for me highly evocative. Reflection often passes from reminiscence to regret; the passing of time and the acknowledgement of things that can’t be taken back and of the scars of age.
Many writers have had a crack at transience from different angles.
Robert Frost’s commentary:
Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.”
I also like Billy Joel’s shorter form:
Every year’s a souvenir
that slowly fades away.
and Grant McLennan’s even shorter take:
Memory wastes
So many great songs – ‘Dive For Your memory’, ‘Yesterday’, ‘Time in a Bottle’, ‘Changes’.
As an antidote to somber reflections I recommend ‘Being Boring’ one of the greatest of all songs (with a truly great video) to be sung, or shouted, full-throated, loud and life-affirming – preferably with your partner and friends.
It seems the global cooling decided to dump all the airborne moisture in Austria this year and didn`t do Capetown`s dam/s or our dams much good.
Is everybody in boltsville enjoying their privatized for profit power system today? .. Thats Nice! .. Thank dog global cooling has had no effect!
Welcome back SB
Thanks ToM. I’ll try to stay away from politics, though.
Welcome Back SB but why stay away from politics, a good debate is healthy. Sadly our politicians no longer debate but rather scream, especially our PM, and the current govt have an ideology that is just overwhelming them.
Now don`t go given splatters a hard time shane, he is just exercising his right to think for himself. Wish more citizens did so.
LOL! @ tbagz
“That was what we wore when I first started in QLD with my previous employer.”
You know, that’s not something I would’ve fessed up to, tbh..
Welcome back arsehole.
“Surely you’re not drinking it?
YoM really does have a point TB..
Did you read recently that doctors are now warning that even the smallest amount of alcohol can be hazardous for your health…?
It’s your taste in wine they were talking about.
I,on the other hand, enjoyed a rather splendid Bethany Shiraz last night with dinner and can highly recommend it as a reliable “cure all” health tonic.
While the stuff that you drink, well that stuff will fkn kill you.
“As an antidote to somber reflections I recommend ‘Being Boring’
Not really sure I’d consider that an antidote to somber reflections, rectum. More likely to induce them I suspect.
But I agree, it is a great song from a great album.
reb
TBH it was far more comfortable in swealtering heat and humidity in far north QLD than the english dress we wear now for some unknown reason.
Isn’t comfort more important than looks?.
Sorry I forgot, you are one of the fashion police as evidenced by your posting complete with pictures above LOL.
Sorry, but politicians of any persuasion being honoured in the Australia Day Awards just makes me want to puke.
Trump has to completely back down and then comes out with a speech using only the words. I and Me. The man is a disgrace and a narcissist with totally dictatorial nature.
“Isn’t comfort more important than looks?”
Blasphemy!
Another one bites the dust!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-26/nigel-scullion-quits-politics-indigenous-affairs-national-clp/10747898
even the smallest amount of alcohol can be hazardous for your health…?
Yes. That’s why it is important to stick to good reds.
Although gargling Bowlers Run is probably good for tonsillitis
Only if you have tonsils … 🙂
Another one bites the dust!
Wonder where they all got their new jobs?
Rats ‘n’ sinking ships, methinks …
…politicians of any persuasion being honoured in the Australia Day Awards
Especially the likes of Peter Herr Reith … who used taxpayer money (along with Howard) to train ex ADF personnel in Dubai … WTF!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Australian_waterfront_dispute
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/20-years-on-war-on-the-waterfront-20180406-h0yfqz.html
YoM really does have a point TB..
ToM, always has a point … but never considers other people’s circumstances … particularly those of us who live glass to mouth each fortnight waiting for the government assistance to imbibe, (I don’t gamble or smoke BTW) that ToM is loathe to support, for the people who built this nation … * 🙂
… but never considers other people’s circumstances …
I’d prefer to be an abstinent than drink Bowlers Run!
An absent drinker! A ghost incaholic?
I’d prefer to be an abstinent than drink Bowlers Run!
I think you meant …
“I prefer to be abstinent than drink Bowlers Run!”
Just correctin’ …
smh ” Zali Steggall is running as an independent against Tony Abbott in Warringah.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zali_Steggall
smh ” She has had no contact with GetUp! and is on the School Council of Queenwood. Her father-in-law is close friends with the same John Howard who once gave her grandmother a certificate of appreciation for her life-long service to the Liberal Party branch of Maitland. Notwithstanding that her political hero is Michelle Obama, she is one from broadly within the Liberal fold, with two themes driving her to take on Abbott.”
“I want action on climate change, ” she says simply. ” On that issue, as so many, Tony Abbott is not remotely representative of the views of this electorate. I am. And I want the people of this electorate to have an alternative to him. ”
smh ” She is equally appalled by the lack of female representation in the Liberal Party, the allegations of bullying within its ranks, and perceives Abbott as being inimical to the interests of women generally.”
smh ” She is not taking on Abbott from the left side of politics and has never voted Labor, though notes she was raised in a `socially progressive, financially conservative` household.”
She ” is not convinced, yet, of the virtues of the Australian republic.”
She ” is not convinced, yet, of the virtues of the Australian republic.”
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fitz-on-sunday-tony-abbott-meets-his-match-in-warringah-20190126-p50tsy.html
@Context ; `not convinced` on the repug topic; translates to NOT repug. The smh author is Lisa`s wife ; bandana wearing rabidRepug peteFitzsim0ns.
@while early days at the moment ; she hasn`t shot herself in the head at the starting line with the repug topic ; zali can smoke mrRabbit (phelpStyle).
… and perceives Abbott as being inimical to the interests of women generally.” …
Dem rite whingers is slow but dey get close eventually, afta a lot of pain and sufferin’ by lotsa folk!
I can only assume – with turquoise T shirts -she has entered the destruction of the LNP as an independent … (indie in your scribble scrabble)
You now stutterin’ boy?
She ” is not convinced, yet, of the virtues of the Australian republic.”
She ” is not convinced, yet, of the virtues of the Australian republic.”
Or just layin’ eggs?
Just seeing the NSW Premier on TV telling utter, utter bullshit. She states that they have been working on the water in western NSW for years, that they put in the 6 bores at Coonabarabran (my home town). The 6 bores were installed only about 8 months at the most so the years is utter crap. The town was on level 6 many months before the bores were dug and that was only after desperation. The LNP have not given a flying fuck allwoing irrigators to decimate water and our rivers, ( because they are die hard LNP seats) until now when the dying fish has become an international talking point. It is a total disgrace.
Don`t worry shane ; the voters are waiting for gladys with cricket bats ; the blood won`t be dry before they get to use them on the clowntown zombies.
!
The similar shit happens on the hawksbury river too ; runoff causing blue green algae blooms ; stuffing the water quality ; sometimes causing fish die offs ; too much corruption to stop it ; cycle starts again.
Teabag
What shits me is when one leader says there will be changes and then 3 years later nothing has happened and the next leader even from the same party comes in and says this is a new era I cannot be held responsible for the actions of my predecessor even if they were from the same party. Just crap all the time these days.
Over at your guardian echo chamber, 21jan, ” Susan Moylan-Coombs, as she launched her campaign to take the federal seat of Warringah from the former prime minister Tony Abbott.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/21/susan-moylan-coombs-launches-campaign-to-beat-tony-abbott-in-warringah
guardian ” An Indigenous woman, the grandchild of Labor legend HC `Nugget` Coombs, a resident of Warringah for 50 years, Moylan-Coombs is not shy about wading in on one of the contentious issues de jour: the date for Australia Day.”
the “ grandchild of Labor legend ”
@about here l`m thinking coombs won`t do as well as zali
guardian ” lt might not be front-of-mind for many of the well-off voters of Warringah, but Moylan Coombs is running on a platform that takes in local issues and a strong stance on Indigenous reconcilliation. Moylan-Coombs is the first independent out of the blocks in Warringah, though there will likely be another, backed by a group, Voices of Warringah, which includes a number of disaffected Liberal party members. ”
@ `disaffected` my favorite way to enjoy zombie!
Coombs ” Party politics has failed Warringah. The party that represents this seat, has stopped listening to the people. They are in a policy death spiral,” she said ” As your independent MP I would have the ability to agitate for this electorates needs,”
Coombs ” Our obsession about GDP is destroying us, ” she said. ” It is an insufficient measure of progress. Until we start properly analysing environmental and social impacts of this system, it can only be flawed. ” @correct
Do not do it. After spending decades upon decades swooning, do not do it. Your favorite echo chamber just may shatter if you do it, so do not do it. At your age being dragged kicking and screaming into reality may frighten you, so do not do it. You will remain warm and cozy in your echo chamber if you do not do it. So do not do it. So do not click this!
After some thought I have an opinion on 26th January.
1. If you consider Australia Day as piss up and a BBQ … WGAS what day its on …
2. If you think that Australia Day is an inclusive day for all Australians to celebrate our past, present and future as a nation … WGAS what day its on …
3. If our First People feel offended (they do not feel included), then as our blogmeister suggested earlier ASK THEM what date would be acceptable …
Our Aboriginal Community dwindles each decade but they are our First People and they do deserve respect even though they are less than 16% of our population … they’re value to this nation is not based on numbers but their value to our society and their understanding of the land we live in …
Can’t see the Saxons celebrating Britain Day in 1266 either …
Note: 26th of January was decided in 1994 and Aboriginals have been protesting since 1938 …
ASK!
I fully agree with this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/29/red-mass-child-abuse-survivors-protest-against-catholic-event-for-legal-profession
You want to see further bias in the media. The Greens poll vote is 9% which is 150% of One Nation Vote at 6% yet the media give One Nation at least 500% more coverage than the Greens.
So sick to death of our shouting PM spouting bullshit. I want the following questions answered.
1) When he says 1,000,000 new jobs is that on top of existing jobs. In other words is that 1,000,000 EXTRA jobs than we have now so it covers all job losses during the same period.
2) The unemployment rate is the same whether the jobs are full time or only 5 hours a week. What is the true situation in relation to our actual full time jobs compared to part time and casual jobs since 2013. Don’t want to hear full time equivalent bullshit stats, but actual real full time job numbers.
3) How many people now have to work 2 or more jobs to cover their previous full time job.
Isn’t comfort more important than looks?
With a face like mine, comfort is all I really have left 😦
I see kerryanne kennel is back in the doghouse
racist old has been
and, all based on lies (which STILL gets propagated by other racists)
https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/28/a-decade-on-the-fraud-of-the-nt-intervention-is-exposed/
I recall the glee with which conservatives pointed to Venezuela as a great example of a socialism fail. Seems the reason for the fail had nothing to do with the Venezuelan economy itself, but rather from crippling sanctions imposed on it, led by the US
Pity the President of Venzuela looks so much (models himself) on Stalin … uncanny …
Russian socialism failed for a similar reason … and yet Chinese socialism (now embracing capitalism is thriving!)
So Tom R… Venezuela has a policy of self contained economic development s their socialist objective, but now they complain that the biggest capitalist economy didn t cooperate as they needed!
Yes, it’s a failure of their policy if tgey needed the help of the USA
So Tom R… Venezuela has a policy of self contained economic development s their socialist objective, but now they complain that the biggest capitalist economy didn t cooperate as they needed!
Yes, it’s a failure of their policy if tgey needed the help of the USA
Yes, the socialists have been in charge if Venezuela for sbout 2 decades. They introduced a range of “innovative ” economic policies… and haven’t they been hugely successful!!
ToM
Has the USA had any sanctions whatsoever against Venezuela over the last 30 years ?
Why suddenly is the NSW Government wanting bipartisan agreement with the ALP regarding the water disaster when they have treated them with contempt since they were elected. Why are they asking for help when they colluded and assisted farmers in lying, cheating and stealing water from the river system. I hope this brings them down massively. No different to dictators and those who think they are above the law. Please rural areas vote for some independents and get your voice back from the multinationals that your LNP support.
Don’t blame the US for economic mismanagement – inflation of 1300% and 3,000,000 people getting out of the place.
Answer my question !!!
Why? Venezuela’s economic situation is due to the policies if the Venezuelan government.
Like all failed governments, their response is – look over there! and – don’t blame us!!
Because the USA has placed sanctions on Venezuela ever since a socialist government was elected and it now recognises the opposition as the government, for no other reason than it hates anything to do with socialist policies. Why does it not treat China with the same scorn and threats, the hypocrisy in bullying smaller countries, especially those that have assets such as oil is so glaringly obvious. That’s why. How on earth can the economy of a country be allowed to operate fairly under its own volition when it is undermined by a big brother in more than one underhanded tactic.
I am not defending the government I am pointing out the hypocrisy of the USA in its so called morals and standards.
I think you might find that the US had reasons to impose sanctions. Even Obama agreed.
But the bizarre policy settings they introduced are all their own.
I hope my TV survives 5 months of the Prime Preachers Election Sermons … and I just wish he would fuck off out of Queensland … surely his visa runs out soon?
And what are all those Ministers doing for their $400,000 a year – the ones that have resigned? Five fkn months!
I think you might find that the US had reasons to impose sanctions.
Perhaps we should explore those reasons?
It just seems ……………… coincidental, that the countries real problems began around the time of those sanctions beginning.
… their socialist objective …
The dictat of a Communist President … because the people suffered under Uber Kapitalism … and still suffer …
You really need to research the differences (and similarities) between, democracy, communism and socialism … (there’s also a few in between/hybrids mostly in the Nordic states)
And while the Command System has not been the success it should have been, for The People … as we are discovering Capitalism isn’t the answer either (especially the distortion of Neo-Liberal trickle down bullshit) … and especially when both economic systems are high-jacked by the rich and greedy … political or economic systems (whatever combination) will never work as the theory expects … because of simple human traits – greed – actually one – greed … eveything else stems from that – cheating, stealing, avoiding taxes, manipulation (individuals, lobbyists, political parties), deceit/deception … and finally overseas political interference …
Imagine if China decided that it would sanction Australia because it didn’t like SloMo and the way he ran the country … SloMo wouldn’t suffer … THE PEOPLE would! (Either way!)
The Yanks used to berate the Europeans for their Imperialism around the world … the USofA is the most interfering imperialist country the world has ever seen, from covert assassinations, propping up corrupt dictatorships (that play democracy), to sanctioning or invading countries (particularly civil wars) who do not “comply” with the American Way … Uber Kapitalism, belief in the Christian God (that just happens to be the same god worshipped by Judaism and Islamists) – hypocrisy writ large …
Venezuelans don’t want to see their country fail … they just want to have a roof over their heads, a job that pays to support a family, happy educated children with a future, the occasional celebration and to be looked after in the twilight years … JUST LIKE 90% of the people I’ve met in 37 countries …
wot TB said
isms suck (Except TISM)
And that’s a Truism!!!!
Venezuelans don’t want to see their country fail …
Their government has failed the people. Their experiment was a disaster for the people.
Isn’t that what I said … do you think that only communist governments fail the people?
When was the last time you visited Vietnam?
TR, I hate acronyms without explanation … WTF is TISM (the band?)
I hope that includes democratism 🙂
Is Venezuela communist?
Do you yhink the policies that caused the economic collapse are communist?
Exactly who has suggested that TB?
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But… the policies the government has adopted are an experiment and they caused a flight of investment, industry and so many professional people.
It gas been a disaster, but was admired by a number of left oriented types
Do you yhink the policies that caused the economic collapse are communist?
But DID the policies cause it, or did the sanctions?
Or, did the policies begin it, and the sanctions magnify it?
Or, were they just small fish caught in the big Game of Oil?
Are you serious? 1,000,000% inflation… a flight of capitol, a flight of capability.
Venezuela is a basket case because of government policy. H
But regardless of that, their economic policy was to be self contained.
Relying on the world’s major capitalist economy was the antithesis of their policy.
Is Venezuela communist?
Do you yhink the policies that caused the economic collapse are communist?
Exactly who has suggested that TB?
Actually the President of Venezuela that the Western nations are trying to remove IS a communist.
But you, like many other people in the past and present, tend to see communism and socialism as one and the same … they are not … as I attempted to point out … (and you accuse me of being obtuse with my replies?)
Yes, the socialists have been in charge if Venezuela for sbout 2 decades. They introduced a range of “innovative ” economic policies… and haven’t they been hugely successful!!
their economic policy was to be self contained.
Reminds me of a certain US President … a global economy without borders would be wonderful … trouble is the rich and greedy would rape and pillage till there was no Christmas!
Are you serious? 1,000,000% inflation… a flight of capitol, a flight of capability.
Venezuela is a basket case because of government policy. H
And that sounds like Germany in the 1930’s as the Western “winners” of WWI (particularly France) slowly screwed Germany to the rafters … then guess what happened …
I suggest this as a read …
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjriLCX65LgAhVb7mEKHYa0CoIQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.in%2FHitlers-Rise-Power-Movement-Bavaria-ebook%2Fdp%2FB01M2YXIBU&psig=AOvVaw1vDpLaUDpDxf_wnks-9Pih&ust=1548846011991794
Wars don’t just happen – they are caused – we are so close … Trump is desperate for a win at any cost … except his own …
Motto: Stay out of other people’s shit or you could get bitten …
“”I suggest this as a read … “”
Hint, it wasn’t all about Hitler … but he did take advantage of what the people were feeling … because of “sanctions” …
All about oil and ideology again … continental group dynamics at work …
No TB, I’m not confused about the difference between a communist government ans a socialist one. But your earlier comments suggested you were.
Venezuela is a basket case, despite being resource rich. Failed economic policies are the cause.
a “ basket case, despite being resource rich ”
Describes a lot of places; australia, africa, east europe, most of the americas, and islands around the americas, haiti, cuba, portareeko, dominica. Mainly due to being sabotaged by colonial powers and their corporations for decades. The yank murder machine being the worst since ww2.
FFS you can be resource rich, but if a country places sanctions on you and the assets you are trying to sell, simply because you have a different ideology, then you ARE affecting a country. What is your excuse for us not imposing sanctions on China which IS communist and NOT socialist, which has purchased massive areas of land in Australia yet we are not allowed to own any land in China. Where their leader is now a dictator as well and there are no free lections at all. Where hundreds of thousands of citizens are being interned in camps for re education. What if China decided not to buy our coal or any of our other products or behind the scenes manipulated pricing and pressured other countries to follow suit.Just total silence or pathetic trading excuses. Why because so many rich arseholes are selling their shit that is made in China ( the communisty system they claim so hysterically to hate) to us at massive profits. The silence and inaction for over 40 years is Utter hypocrisy ToM.
When businesses and governments purchase their goods from democratic countries that have the same values as ourselves, then they have the right to complain. While they still purchase their goods from Communists, Dictators, Religious Dogmas and Tyrants, then they absolutely NO RIGHT to dictate to another country. The USA has millions of people living in abject poverty, thousands die every year without medical assistance, thousands die every year because they cannot afford heating in winter, thousands live in their cars permanently, thousands live on the streets, the biggest bankruptcy percentage is those made bankrupt for health costs, the USA is the most indebted country on the planet and you have the audacity to complain about Venezuela. Once again I am not supporting the regime I am pointing out the utter hypocrisy of those complaining about Venezuela
I see that Australia will become the first country in the world were (through corporate policy) over 30% of boards are women
I really don’t think it’s as bad here as we sometime think
I see that Australia will become the first country in the world were (through corporate policy) over 30% of boards are women
I really don’t think it’s as bad here as we sometime think
Honestly Shane, do you really think that the sanctions in Venezuela are so serious that they have created 1,000,000% inflation and an economy in free fall?
That’s due to government policy.
Sometimes it’s easier to draw a line for people
In 2014, the Venezuelan economy tanked
They blamed oil prices and the countries policies
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela
At the same time, the US (and who knows who else, see the tweet previous about Britain) began sanctions.
https://www.wikitribune.com/article/84767/
Was the Venezuelan Government to blame?
Possibly
Would sanctions help or hinder an economy under pressure?
DOH!
It’s all about oil. Seems it’s ALWAYS about oil.
Alan Jones this morning talking about parents driving their kids to school instead of walking them, or the kids walking themselves.
Could that be because idiots like him are always being hysterical about gangs and thugs and terrorists. They scream from the rafters instilling fear in everyone and then wonder why parents do what they do. If the dickheads put things into perspective rather than hysteria maybe parents would calm down.
ToM
Why is there a “w” at the end of your name now ?
Refer to ToM R comment.
Sanctions have brought down many a government, yet you are so sure that it has nothing to do with what is happening in Venezuela. Big Business tactics are part of the sanctions you know.
shane, he’s also one who pushes the ‘choice’ in schools.
And now complains when parents have to travel to achieve this ‘choice’
shane, he’s also one who pushes the ‘choice’ in schools.
fyi, that was in response to the jones post 😉
re the Rutger Bregman above, he has written an article about it
ToM R , yep I realised that 🙂
Just in case yommw didn’t shane 😉
But, i light if the jones tirade, this article highlights how much damage the libs have done to #Gonski
I fear it is back to the drawing board, as it will be with #NBN and #NDIS
It isn’t going to be an easy job, IF Labor are up to it?
The education gulf is widening with the numbers of high achieving HSC students increasingly concentrated in advantaged schools at the expense of disadvantaged schools, new research shows.
Aspirational parents are driving the shift as they “trade up” schools for educational institutions which have students like their own children or even more advantaged.
https://www.smh.com.au/education/winners-and-losers-school-shopping-widens-education-gap-20190128-p50u5d.html
yes ToM R we need to stop funding private schools all together. An education service is provided for all. If you want anything else you pay for it fully yourself.
I am from a catholic and catholic boarding education. I never went to public school ever. I am fully supportive of a public system and a private system but only where the private system is not subsidised by the state in any shape or form.
… do you really think that the sanctions in Venezuela are so serious that they have created 1,000,000% inflation and an economy in free fall?
As pointed out earlier it did in Germany in the 1930’s … so YES! (At least exacerbated the situation)
Something else for Labor to fix because the libs broke it beyond repair?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/25/murray-darling-basin-authority-should-be-broken-up-to-protect-system-review-finds
So TB… if they cause that type of economic chaos… would you like to explain what the sanctions are and why they are so effective against Venezuela? There are a range of other counties that don’t seem to be as adversely effected despite econimic sanctions.
… to fix because the libs broke it beyond repair?
That begs the question too … what happens if it can’t be fixed?
Jail time for Bananaby & Co?
Deliberate damage to national environment for profit is a crime isn’t it?*
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BTW ToM … we did notice
the first country in the world *were (through corporate policy) over 30% of boards are women
I think you meant … *”where” … and …
I really don’t think it’s as bad here as we sometime think
You may not, because of you’re chauvanism, but I do … it should be at least 50%!
There are a range of other counties that don’t seem to be as adversely effected despite econimic sanctions.
Is that because they are run by true dictators?
Is it your assertion that sanctions don’t make a countries economy suffer?
Do you agree that the countries economy plummeted at the same time as the sanctions were imposed?
“Jobs and growth” bellowed Malcolm
“One million new jobs” says SloMo..
https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js
From Engineer to cafe intern
It’s called getting a go 😉
And, more jobs (temporarily anyway)
I must say it is rather nice visiting here every so often to get a reminder of the stupidity and downright ignorance and then return to the relative sanity of the Real World where even those of the Left are relatively more sane
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-lessons-of-goulburn-resonate-in-schools-50-years-later-20120820-24ik2.html
Gerard Henderson
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WTF!
So what part is factuallu incorrect then ?………………………I’ll just wait here for your answer
A wonderful example of farmers loving their animals. I am from the land and this is unbelievable and the silence and excuses always seem to be accepted. The WA government needs to throw the book at these people. But as always they are farmers and the NFF will protect them and come up with some cock and bull story to sweep it away. Yet farmers wonder why PETA and others get so much attention.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/30/two-wa-cattle-stations-could-face-animal-cruelty-charges-after-hundreds-of-deaths
Probably not the headline he was hoping for…
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/30/scott-morrisons-economic-pitch-straight-from-fawlty-towers-just-dont-mention-the-recession
Simple. I would have nationalised the catholic schools there and then. Problem solved.
“”He might not have answered the question satisfactorily himself but the answer is pretty obvious. It’s the same reason he unconvincingly wears a surf-brand cap and peppers ‘fair dinkum’ into every sentence he says with a frequency that is, quite frankly, alarming. He wants the appearance of authenticity without having earned any of it. He is, in short, a fuckwit.”
https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/scott-morrison-bus-farce/
reb
When you want to start scaring people with the economy and those same people have not got any pay rises and so many have been casualised or forced to set up a private ABN and reapply for their current job as a contractor then you can expect to be challenged with your fear rhetoric. It seems to me that Morrison has turned to Tony Abbott for guidance on how to scare people, however we all remember the many lies and broken promises Mr Abbott did as soon as he was elected, so I don’ think it will work quite as well this time around.
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So now Shane is fine with theft of private property. That seems so normal around here
“It seems to me that Morrison has turned to Tony Abbott for guidance on how to scare people””
Perhaps, although I suspect the cold dead hand of John Howard is also involved…
It’s very Howard-esque to fabricate what was a non-issue and and whip it up into a some sort of culture war about “Australian values” as a way of distracting from the government’s woeful performance… Oh, look Captain Cook!
So if you do socialise them who is going to fund them 100% then ?
Oh let me guess the Federal Government. So around and around we go in a big circle
Looks like Walrus is back from a boozy lunch and just itching for a fight.
Prolly best ignored..
So rather than question what Henderson said in his article all you can do is ridicule him.
That’s the normal intellectually barren viewpoint that resides around these parts.
I’m still waiting by the way Tom R
“Prolly best ignored..””
Especially when you cant answer the question
reb
I usually do ignore him but he wanted an answer and I gave it to him. Education should be provided by all from the state, so that all have the same level of opportunity and resources, instead of wealth and religion determining your education. Religions want their freedom, well they can have their freedom and fuck off from the teat of the taxpayer.
“……………………but he wanted an answer and I gave it to him”
What utter bullshit !
Who would then fund them……………….?
It’s pretty easy to make a profoundly stupid comment without thinking through the consequences.
So who funds them ?
Now I expect to get your usual coward response of ………….
“”cry cry he’s upset me……..I wont read his comments or answer his questions anymore my name is Shane and I’m a snowflake””
reb
There was a very interesting link to a SMH story form 2009 and how the elected candidate for the seat currently held by Morrison was accused of lies and criminal activity by the Murdoch Press which destroyed his reputation and Morrison was catapulted into the seat instead. He sued and accepted a settlement out of court on advice from his lawyers but did not have to maintain silence. It was a classic example of the corruption and collusion of the right and Murdoch getting their own way over the members who had overwhelmingly elected the other candidate. Just cant locate the link anymore.
No coward response just ignore you like normal
The government would fund them just like they do in so many other countries where all education is provided by the government.
After the horrific actions of the catholics and the clergy in schools, including the one I attended, they should all be taken over immediately by the government as far as I am concerned.
How would the government fund it. Stop all the fucking tax perks for the wealthy and stop all the accountants blood sucking schemes and trusts and simplify the tax system so we don’t need blood sucking accountants charging ridiculous hourly fees as though they are some type of life saving hero and the money we save could educate all including universities.Bring all the funds back offshore and out of tax havens.
So you actually have no solutions to the funding problem as I’m sure your hero Bill will “…………………stop all the accountants blood sucking schemes and trusts and simplify the tax system ………………””
But wait even he supports state aid. So either he is wrong or you are wrong. Even Gillard supported State Aid………………..but hey ………..you know better LOL
By the way I dont do too much advising these days on trusts or other schemes kinda semi retired now living off the 6% LOL.
Most of my advice is to small business on whether they should use casual or part time staff and which ones will get the bullet when Bill reintroduces the former penalty rates regime on weekend.
Many a time its just much cheaper for small business to get extended family members in to man the restaurant or cafe or pub and let the other staff go. Why pay more than you need to ?
And no I dont do their payroll
Bill is not my hero, he is simply less toxic than Morrison and he is wrong if he supports state aid and so was Gillard and anyone else you care to druge up. Unlike yourself I can criticise and do criticise, both sides of politics.
I would have thought by now you would know I support Independents as a preference as they actually act for their constituents and not an ideology. However I would prefer proportional representation as in New Zealand which is true democracy not this crap we have.
I note your silence on the horrific actions of the clergy in schools over the last 60 years as not being a significant reason to nationalise them.
And just for a change of pace… I’m thinking of offering my literary skills to a quailty publication.
Book reviews! My offer will be – I’ll read the first 10 pages and the last 2, and write a review about whether it is interesting enough to read the rest.
It’s a great approach! How many times have we persevered with a book in the hope that it will get better? My book reviews will save people the trouble of even starting a book that might be a dud!!
And just for a change of pace… I’m thinking of offering my literary skills to a quailty publication.
Book reviews! My offer will be – I’ll read the first 10 pages and the last 2, and write a review about whether it is interesting enough to read the rest.
It’s a great approach! How many times have we persevered with a book in the hope that it will get better? My book reviews will save people the trouble of even starting a book that might be a dud!!
“I note your silence on the horrific actions of the clergy in schools over the last 60 years as not being a significant reason to nationalise them.”
There are peds everywhere not just in church schools and that is not a good reason to nationalise them.
“And just for a change of pace… I’m thinking of offering my literary skills to a quailty publication.”
Are your reviews going to be published twice like your comments ?
“A PREDATORY principal who sexually assaulted young boys was moved to another state school after allegations of his abuse surfaced, a court has heard.”
https://www.examiner.com.au/story/3184818/department-transferred-pedophile-principal/
The overwhelming majority of ped action in schools was in religious schools, that is sufficient for me to believe they should be nationalised, I think we should ask the victims what they think.
ToM
What happens if the action really starts on page 11 and the conclusion finalises on the third last page 😉
” I’m thinking of offering my literary skills to a quailty publication.”
This is to be commended YoM.
I think your approach is unique, yet something that’s sorely lacking in today’s literary circles.
Far too often have I gone out on a limb and bought a book that appeared to be intellectual or whimsical or both only to subsequently discover that I can’t be bothered reading it. Sometimes I have the best of intentions and sit down to give a book its undivided attention only to find that my interest wanes after reading the acknowledgements at the beginning.
I for one would certainly read your reviews, as by all account you seem to make much more headway getting to page 10 than I’ve ever been able to master.
In fact, maybe you could just outline what happens in the first few pages and what happens at the end and then we can just fill in the gaps ourselves rather than have to go out and buy the fucking thing.
Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?
I’ll tell you why. Lefty fucking intellectuals that’s why.
So who funds them ?
As shane said, the taxpayer (the one who is currently paying private schools almost the same amount they pay public ones).
And, to answer your question, is it factually correct. Probably, possibly (but considering the source, I wouldn’t put money on it). But it’s morally and logically repugnant.
Of course, if you have a hissy fit like the catholics did and just dump all your students on the public system, it will break.
The catliks did to the Federal government the same as it was doing to it’s male students at the time.
And we now have this dogs breakfast where taxpayer dollars is used to artificially inflate the cost of schooling, which feeds into it’s own demise, and leaves the public system further and further behind
Who would then fund them……………….?
The fucking CATLICK HYPOCRITES as they always should have!
Want to brainwash little kiddies … with parental consent … pay for it!
State schools for all children properly funded by ALL people and BUSINESSES paying TAX (not a dirty word) …
Want to twist the mind of your child to christian, jewish, islamic, singh, sikh, buddhist, taoist, or JW?
Send to the church, temple, mosque, synagogue at their expense …
Reminder: This IS a secular country …
But to this secularist its like tip toeing through religious cow shit !
Wally “I’m not a catlik” I call BS!
I’m thinking of offering my literary skills
sreb, could you pass on my invoice, to ToM for a new keyboard, screen (29″) and half a bottle of Bowlers Run … oh and the Leather Doctor quote for my chair!
And a bottle of Oyster Bay. Everyone else fudges the system!
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There are peds everywhere not just in church schools and that is not a good reason to nationalise them.
1. there are peds everywhere … but they don’t have a captive audience and duped parents to help them … nor the “sanctity” of church nor the protection of senior clerics and collusion with judges and senior police …
2. I would not “nationalise” them … I’d simply stop supporting them! Especially the taxpayer “supported” monstrosities!
“The fucking CATLICK HYPOCRITES as they always should have!”
You really can’t keep up these days. Shane has already nationalised them. Why should the RC fund them anymore?
Following things to their consequences really escape you as usual
By the way ………
Section 51(xxxi) of the Constitution currently allows the Parliament to make laws for the acquisition of property on just terms from any state or person for any purpose in respect of which the Parliament has power to make laws.
Good luck changing that
Good to see your bigotry alive and well
Honestly I don’t know why you idiots are even discussing this. It already has broad bipartisan support by both the ALP and LNP. All you lot do is look like outlying Leftist idiots as usual
So pathetic really
Shane has already nationalised them. Why should the RC fund them anymore?
Following things to their consequences really escape you as usual
What consequences … as usual you just make up fantasies … Shane can’t nationalise anything … ’tis but a suggestion …
Good to see your bigotry alive and well
Good to see you don’t understand the meaning of bigotry nor obviously the Constitution …
All you lot do is look like outlying Leftist idiots as usual
So we should just spread ’em and smile … typical … not all peasants are like your “clients” … some of us have very sharp pitchforks … and happy to use ’em!
Just as a matter of interest, I’m having a vacation for the entire summer on the coast, and I’ve started half a dozen books and preserved beyond 10 pages… generally I should have stopped at 8.
So that’s the reason for my contribution to efficiency in literature!
(I’ve just finished a bottle of 2013 Warribilla shiraz, and I suggest it is kinder to the bsck palate than a Bowlers Run)
Lefty fucking intellectuals that’s why.
Yes! They have a lot to answer for, and it goes beyond improving efficiency in literature
Yes! They have a lot to answer for
Education for all?
Medicare?
A welfare system?
our libs just prove again that they are snowflakes
And that our media is beyond broken
farfax is now a clone of ltdnews, and aunty is still stacked with apologists.
… bsck palate than a Bowlers Run
Luckily I don’t have a “bsck palate” … whatever that is …
However, I have just replaced six garden taps with 1/2 turn ceramic taps and Bowlers Run is great for cleaning the threads up – with a tipple every now and then makes the work slide by nicely! Hic …
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Education for all?
Medicare?
A welfare system for everyone in need?
An NBN that works for all?
Acceptance of climate change?
Fair tax system – no negative gearing – no capital gains tax?
Federal ICAC?
RC Financial Banking INDUSTRY?
USofA … -50 and plunging
Australia … +50 and rising
At the SAME time
If that doesn’t tell Climate Change Deniers something … nothing will!
Our religious leaders will be right onto this of course … demanding action in favour of renewables, hey?
FFS we have just had my idiot member David Littleproud saying we should be proud of what we have achieved in relation to the MDB. The fucking death of 100 year old fish who have lived through many droughts and he says we should be proud. No fucking water in the rivers and he says we should be proud. Massive fish kills in many areas and he says we should be proud. Honestly I thought he was sensible, he is now a fucking idiot.
TB
The funny thing is Pope Francis believes in Climate Change, he believes in helping the poor and the sick. Its just the fucking right wing nut jobs like Abbott and Walrus who simply ignore the pope when he says something that doesn’t agree with their own toxic ideology. Catholicism and Christianity have been hijacked by greed and money in disgraceful terms.
Shane, the real culprit is cotton …
Kill Cubby Station … and much of the MDB problem would be solved quickly …
Just saw this …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/31/photos-reveal-queensland-cotton-farms-full-of-water-while-darling-river-runs-dry
Cotton farmers in Emerald sucked the Fairbairn Dam almost dry in the 1990’s …
Substitute hemp for cotton …
Yes, and apparently, Cubbie are just doing what they are legally allowed to.
Did they mention the grifting of asshats like joyce, that bastardised the MDBP in order so they can lagally do this.
Not morally, because they knew what they were doing was wrong, else why pay a pollie to change the MDBA like the libs did
At this one to growing list of complete balls up this mob has made
NBN
Gonski
NDIS
MDBA
“……………Walrus who simply ignore the pope when he says something that doesn’t agree with their own toxic ideology.”
There would be very little I would agree on with any Pope.
The Science is in 97% of scientists blah blah blah………………….ROFLMAO
I’ll believe you can control the planet’s temperature as soon as you manage to make it rotate in the other direction
What happened to No. 8 … not bearing false witness?
And this Trump tweet …
GMAFB!
Religion and oil … religion and power … religion and insult … religion and land … religion and another war … on and fkn on!
fyi wally, fucking something up aint ‘controlling’ it 😉
TB
Agree it is cotton and rice. But for the idiot water minister to stand in front of the camera and claim how proud we should be, while the rivers are dry, 100 year old fish are dead and towns have no water at all just shows how totally out of touch he is with the real world and not his big business mates and family. He is a disgrace.
Trees are one of the main items that control the planets temperature yet we are cutting them down in unbelievable numbers, exposing soil to erosion, freezing winds, terribly hot winds, no moisture drawing for rain, no shade of the soil, nothing to hold the soil together, massive landslides and yet we continue to do so in total ignorance and greed.
in total ignorance and greed.
Certainly greed!
And yet Walrus thinks there is nothing we can do about the temperature, thats ignorance
And yet Walrus thinks …
“And yet Walrus thinks there is nothing we can do about the temperature, thats ignorance”
No that’s your arrogance that you actually think that based on mathematical models you can control the temperature in 1000 years
And China India and the USA won’t have a bar of it anyway. You might get USA on board after Trump but good luck with China LOL
Wow have I got a horse race mathematical model for you.
Or would you be more interested in an economic model stretching out to 1000 years ?
Same type of model with less inputs.
You people just don’t understand how stupid your ideas are
Groupthink cordial
“And yet Walrus thinks there is nothing we can do about the temperature, thats ignorance”
No that’s your arrogance that you actually think that based on mathematical models you can control the temperature in 1000 years
And China India and the USA won’t have a bar of it anyway. You might get USA on board after Trump but good luck with China LOL.
Wow have I got a horse race mathematical model for you.
Or would you be more interested in an economic model stretching out to 1000 years ?
Same type of model with less inputs.
You people just don’t understand how stupid your ideas are
Groupthink cordial
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
What a bout a graph showing past, present data from NASA?
I’m just hoping that you understand trends … sigh …
Do you have any final words?
You people just don’t understand how stupid your ideas are …
Scientific evidence with greater than 95 percent probability (see NASA link above) is far more than “ideas” … and carries far more weight than … mathematical models (that’s how it began)
Note 1: Burning coal will kill you … along with 7.7 billion other human beings …
Note 2: Climate Change is now indisputable and not a script for a comedy routine …
Are your reviews going to be published twice like your comments ?
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
No point arguing TB, Walrus knows more than any scientist, specialist or evidence and models are only proof when it suits his agenda or his hip pocket. Fortunately most of our youth think completely differently to the old white farts who are destroying the planet. Hopefully the youth will take control soon and implement or force change before it is too late.
“Climate Change is now indisputable and not a script for a comedy routine …”
You really cant comprehend stuff can you ?
The climate is changing. You just cant stop that change
You just cant stop that change
Take it up with scientists!
You obviously know better than 95% of them
You mean 77 scientists out of 79 out of an original survey of 10,000
What did those 77 actually agree upon ?
What did those 77 actually agree upon ?
That wally’s an idjit? 😉
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…………….Karma at last
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/alls-well-that-ends-well/news-story/911b4cb13a2697c711befd7bbedf3b43
Yeah I didn’t think you’d answer that question LOL
Karma at last
Sent me to a subscription page
Karma saved me again 😉
I didn’t think you’d answer that question
or, you didn’t like the answer 😉
Sent me to a subscription page……………………….
“”Things haven’t gone according to plan for Cindy Prior, who used 18C legislation in a bid to wreck the lives of three QUT students:
The administration worker who launched a $250,000 racial discrimination lawsuit against three Queensland University of Technology students has been declared bankrupt over failing to pay court-ordered costs after she lost her high-profile case.
The Federal Circuit Court yesterday declared former QUT staffer Cindy Prior bankrupt over the debts.
Ms Prior took a case against students Alex Wood, Jackson Powell and Calum Thwaites over Facebook posts in 2013, claiming the online posts contravened section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act …
Ms Prior was ordered to pay more than $100,000 in court costs to legal representatives of Mr Wood.
She also owes an estimated $150,000 to legal representatives of the other two students.
Maybe Gillian Triggs or Tim Superdaveosborne have a few spare dollars they can throw Cindy’s way………………….””
So its a massive FUCK YOU CINDY………………………………. ROFLMAO
Perfect Karma for a complete and utter arsehole
So, is this further proof of how wrong 18C is, or how it works within the legal framework?
No its just proof of Gillian Triggs’stupidity
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Meanwhile in Wally’s world…
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Caption: Reflections*
*(Nice bit of photoshop)
LUV IT!
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/wealth/dutch-historian-who-called-out-billionaires-at-davos-goes-viral-becomes-social-media-star/news-story/45d75de96d5161ed3bf9205d79a0c063
Don’t luv this …
I’m sure Wally will explain why everything’s just fine and dandy …
https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/thwaites-glacier-has-an-enormous-cavity-beneath-it-melted-by-warm-ocean-waters/news-story/d76c01e23593eab1d85324db89c3cd79
Glad I live on a hill!
Michaelia Cash to give evidence on AWU raids
And there was calm upon the land … as knowledge and peace descended via facts, data and true evidence …
Build More Dams
With the downfall in NQ there IS good reason to build more dams – that would mitigate flooding and be pumped (using solar/battery systems and hydro power) and pipe-lined south and west …
However, this would need politicians and engineers with vision and determination to inspire the nation … bringing flood relief for some and drought relief for others and employment for many … a bit like the Snowy River Scheme, built utilising immigrant and refugee labour, almost a century ago …
What’s happened to this fkn country!
Trickle down economics … idiotic decisions based on profit for the few (Elites, Robber Barons) … privatisation of public assets … greedy, ignorant, incompetent politicians, media collusion, corruption and corporatocracy writ large!
And of course the Wally Factor* … they vote!
*Not alone!
Whatever happened to the real world … my world when people could enjoy other people laughing at them?
I’m privileged to have a couple who are (still) friends of ours after 35 years … they lived next door when our home was being built (our daughter now lives there) … I knocked on their door to ask if I could use their hose (to wet down the concrete slab) … door opened – a bit – “Yes” … she said … Me, “G’day, I’m TB … could I borrow your hose?” … “No!” … silence ……………………… She … “Not unless you come in for a drink!”
First gotcha … been happening ever since!
On global cooling ; l`ve always thought `kyoto` was already too-late ; since then it is obvious, self-evident that the global cooling kaos has well and truly kicked off; it could never be `controlled` as the blubbering fool claims; tho had the primates meaningfully acted ; there may have been some mitigation possible. Unfortunately nobody in power has meaningfully acted, what they did was abdicate at each and every step. Earlier, l thought john-w and george-w had abdicated the global cooling leadership to china and lndia. However, lndia is quite the poverty and corruption stricken basket case; that even IF they wanted to act meaningfully on global cooling; they do not actually have the capacity to do so. Therefore l have written them off. On china; they are building a couple of hundred coalburners across asia, africa and east europe as we speak. Doing this `negates` their solar city, 3-gorge generators, green city and peking clean air programs. ln short ; china is going backwards too.
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Conclusion, all nations are either too `powerless`; or; have abdicated their global cooling leadership and any possible `actions` to greenland. No! Not the greenland govt. Yes! The iceblock sitting on top of greenland. @GlugGlugGlug
Abdicated …
1. (of a monarch) renounce one’s throne.
“in 1918 Kaiser Wilhelm abdicated as German emperor”
synonyms: resign, retire, quit, stand down, step down, bow out, renounce the throne; More
archaicdemit
“in 1936, Edward VIII abdicated in favour of George VI”
resign from, relinquish, renounce, give up, hand over, turn over, deliver up, surrender, vacate, forswear, abjure, cede;
disclaim
“Napoleon compelled Ferdinand to abdicate the throne”
antonyms: be crowned, accede to
2. fail to fulfil or undertake (a responsibility or duty).
“the government was accused of abdicating its responsibility”
Abrogated …
1. repeal or do away with (a law, right, or formal agreement).
“a proposal to abrogate temporarily the right to strike”
synonyms: repudiate, revoke, repeal, rescind, overturn, overrule, override, do away with, annul, cancel, break off, invalidate, nullify, void, negate, dissolve, countermand, veto, declare null and void, discontinue; More
renege on, go back on, backtrack on, reverse, retract, remove, withdraw, abolish, put an end to, get rid of, suspend, end, stop, quash, scrap;
disaffirm, avoid, vacate, vitiate;
informalaxe, ditch, dump, chop, give something the chop, knock something on the head;
rarederacinate
“the government has formally abrogated the 1977 treaty”
antonyms: institute, introduce
2. evade (a responsibility or duty).
“we believe the board is abrogating its responsibilities to its shareholders”
Combination, methinks, tbagz …
Ignorant, lazy, incompetent, selfish, stupid pricks … springs to mind!
jasper ” Qantas will move heavy maintenance operations for its Boeing 717 fleet to Singapore”
rutger ” Most wealth is not created at the top, but merely devoured there”
@how fcuking poetic you guys dropped those tweets.
shane ” Alan Jones this morning talking” @faaaaark shane, why do waste your time listening to the `hendo` of the airwaves? Both henderson and jones are only going to peddle ipa claptrap.
blubbering goblin ” is fine with theft” @what theft? 1.the current water/ rights/ buyback theft? 2.general taxpayer assets theft? 3.bank royal-comm theft?
LimitedNews ” Thwaites Glacier” @big fcuking deal. Limitednews is having to pretend to report properly on global cooling in 2019 after decades of being trolls for big-fuel. This antarctic stuff has been on docos for a decade and more. Just pretending its all `new-today` to try and retain their imbecile herd of viewers. The main global cooling game is; and will remain greenland. 1.greenland is completely out of the sea. 2. is melting the most, fastest, and continuous. 3.represents about 7-metres or 21-feet of sea-rise.
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The crisis engulfing the Victorian Greens has deepened, with former Batman candidate Alex Bhathal calling in her lawyers and dozens of members planning to resign in protest at her treatment.
Relentless bullying in the Greens!!
Who’d have guessed that the Greens would be bullying nutcases.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/the-tail-is-wagging-the-dog-bitter-greens-consider-their-options-20190131-p50uvm.html
I would have thought the Greens would have been better, however we all have black sheep in families.
You Lefties are so comprehensively stupid you are now moving beyond parody……………..
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/everything-is-racist-coal-miner-edition
Do keep up, Walrus. Forget the coal miners – the real racist is Mary Poppins! However, she might be able to redeem herself with a remake – Mary Strap-ons.
Hello Splatter
Not really sure I’d consider that an antidote to somber reflections, rectum. More likely to induce them I suspect.
Hi reb! I always feel happy singing that song. Especially with my wife while driving fast. Recently when visiting friends I discovered they liked PSB a lot. Later that night, half cut, we were sliding across their polished wood floor on large pillows bellowing the words – sheer exhilaration. I woke up buzzing in the morning realising that such joy, letting go with friends equally caught up in the moment, is a rare and beautiful thing.
PSB also have a great uplifting single B side The Truck Driver and His Mate.
Hello Walrus. Nice to chat with you again.