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The Gutter Trash Annual Budget Night Drinking Game!  

April 2, 2019

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I’m not sure if I can bring myself to witness the insipid drone of that monumental dullard Josh Frydenberg lie unashamedly about some fanciful return to surplus, but for those with stronger intestinal fortitude, here is The Gutter Trash Annual Budget Night Drinking Game!

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2019 12:25 pm

    Many thanks blogmeister … we’ll be out delivering dinner to a friend who recovering from knee surgery … this is sure to keep us all entertained and our friend painlessly medicated (for one night at least!)

    Her husband has a nice stash of good scotch too!

    Have to toss up for who’s driving home … my weighted 20 cents generally works … 🙂

    Luv, “insipid drone” …

    Noice one, reb … !

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2019 12:25 pm

    who’s … grammar nazis abou7nd in these waters …

  3. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2019 1:23 pm

    Good to see “projected” isn’t in there. That won’t get a showing.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2019 2:21 pm

    I notice “infrastructure” missing too, TR … although a clever move by, reb … we’d all be pissed withing ten minutes!

  5. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2019 3:13 pm

    I really didn’t foresee AC/DC being on the list though.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2019 5:31 pm

    I’m spending most of my time on the surf coast, and that’s part of Sarah Henderson’s marginal seat. Apparently the government is spending $700,000,000 on stuff in the electorate to retain the seat!!

    That seems like a great idea.

    Maybe the ALP could provide a subsidy to surfboard shapers, because they are a form of emission free transport!

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2019 8:25 pm

    Free hair implants is a great idea!! Botox too!

    The Mayor of Crapperville could make a comeback!

  8. April 3, 2019 12:14 am

    Unless it’s well hidden, I sensed no major funding for Crapperville.

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2019 8:26 am

    Great to see you HD! Currently I’m spending most of my time on the coast, and I haven’t found it boring yet!

    Free hair implants (and botox), as per reb’s bingo guide, would appeal to the vanity of the mayor!

    I recall him saying he’d had botox, I think it seeped into his brain.

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2019 10:26 am

    Brunei enacts Islamic laws to punish gay sex with stoning to death

    Is there any statement from the moral guardians (the Greens) about tis?

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-03/brunei-introduces-sharia-law-lgbt-whipping-stoning-to-death/10959618

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2019 1:34 pm

    Journalism in this country has gone from primary school to kindy …

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/pauline-hanson-rushed-to-hospital-for-emergency-operation/news-story/f5274f843cdaaacef42546b49686c2b4

    Was the “tick” on the left side or the right side of Poorly Pauline’s face?

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2019 1:39 pm

    Industrial manslaughter should have been law at least two decades ago!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/calls-for-industrial-manslaughter-laws-after-teenagers-tragic-death/news-story/4d764c0c377d15bcb10cadac928627bb

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2019 5:58 pm

    Bloody Unions! And IR Rules! Just fucking up good profitable businesses …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/staff-at-melbourne-wine-bar-revolt-over-fistmas-party-sackings/news-story/54b534a989cec7501d17410d68614f90

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2019 6:01 pm

    More ridicule for them catholics … just like good sales they keep coming …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/complaints-see-new-tas-priest-moved-on/news-story/5c52b6fc2e0515c8afb8118519ac5b0a

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 3, 2019 6:35 pm

    Well another 200 jobs going offshore. We will no longer be making nappies in Australia

    https://www.wollondillyadvertiser.com.au/story/5991426/220-staff-at-kimberly-clarks-ingleburn-factory-to-lose-their-jobs/

  16. April 3, 2019 7:27 pm

    “We will no longer be making nappies in Australia”

    How will you cope?

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2019 8:34 pm

    Does that include incontinence pads??

    I think the incoherent/illiterate ###<<>>>>》》》》”” would object to wearing imported ones.

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2019 9:18 pm

    We will no longer be making nappies in Australia

    Thanks to the Australian “economic managers” … another industry fucked!

    They probably have some 1 hour part time jobs to keep them going alive … and the $125 ONE OFF payment for Newstart will help … oh, hang on if they are employed for an hour a week – no Newstart …

    How much do our ex-PMs get?

    The HYPOCRISY is ludicrous … I may emigrate to NZ!

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2019 9:20 pm

    Does that include incontinence pads??

    I think you mean incompetence pads!

    Trump will save us … probably not … its ONLY 200 workers (and their families!)

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2019 9:23 pm

    Brunei sounds awful …

    Maybe Fraser Island … nah … I know Norf’k Island! Aw shit the ATM lot fucked took them over too!

  21. Walrus permalink
    April 3, 2019 10:20 pm

    Not being to make nappies which contain plastic is great news under an ALP Australia

    You are either Green or not

    They are the first of many for a carbon free economy

    I hope they enjoy poverty as their Union helped their situation come to be

    Yay yay CFMEU plus MUA for me

    Overpaid workers are easily replaced by robots

    Let’s increase the minimum wage and see what happens LOL

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2019 10:31 pm

    Wally only pops in when he’s pissed … (or off)

  23. April 4, 2019 12:33 am

    “I hope they enjoy poverty as their Union helped their situation come to be

    Yay yay CFMEU plus MUA for me

    Overpaid workers are easily replaced by robots”

    The closure is part of a global restructuring by KC.

    Clearly no comprehension of that Mill, as the workers are not being replaced by robots.

    I feel for the workers and staff at Ingleburn, all KC Mills were put on notice over twelve months ago.

    https://www.macarthuradvertiser.com.au/story/5991393/220-staff-at-kimberly-clarks-ingleburn-factory-to-lose-their-jobs/?fbclid=IwAR0yH4NuNtyJegPFwEmorgJtvGf5xgDMN4l1-qsNtZrCYq0Kh_GHGL9wK3A

    Instead of baseless assertions, it would be worth looking into available information on Corporate strategies in this instance.

  24. Walrus permalink
    April 4, 2019 10:01 am

    “Clearly no comprehension of that Mill, as the workers are not being replaced by robots. ”

    ROFLMAO

    “…….Kimberly-Clark Australia and New Zealand managing director Doug Cunningham said: “Going forward, production will move to Kimberly-Clark’s facilities in Asia, enabling faster access to the latest research and engineering advancements in nappies and pants,” he said.”

    “latest research and engineering advancements” = Robots LOL

    You need fossil fuel to make plastics so these workers should be proud of their position as some of the first martyrs of the fossil fuel free generation

    Onward we march united in our poverty

  25. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2019 3:38 pm

    Cannot even make nappies here anymore. The ALP just destroys things.The next ALP govt will just destroy this country. After destroying our manufacturing industry ALP/Greens want to stop coal exports which is now our biggest export. LABOR is pure evil

    Strange things is after losing their jobs due to ALP policies those people who lost their jobs still vote ALP

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2019 5:14 pm

    Cannot even make nappies here anymore. The ALP just destroys things.

    Labor doesn’t run the government and hasn’t for six years (mores the pity) …

    People who lose their jobs don’t make decisions to move off-shore Boards and Senior Managers do … the people who generally support LNP …

    Not all people who work on the floor in factories, in mines, retail and hospitality, in the ADF, emergency services, on wards, in ambulances vote ALP … some (oddly enough) vote the amateur wannabe failures we are laughing at now …

    And Joe Hockey destroyed the manufacturing industry not the ALP … and the ALP do not want to stop coal exports China and Japan do …

    Are you sure your mum isn’t actually Pauline Hamstrung?

  27. April 4, 2019 8:48 pm

    “I hope they enjoy poverty as their Union helped their situation come to be”

    That’s pretty good I have to admit. Are you planning on taking that on the road with you, I mean; can I buy tickets direct, or do I need to go through the Melbourne International Comedy Festival….?

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2019 10:48 pm

    Sounds a lot like Yoda speak to me …

  29. April 5, 2019 12:50 am

    ““latest research and engineering advancements” = Robots LOL”

    Laugh all you like, you are wrong.

    I am in a position to know. You know fuck all about it apart from what you’re reading in the media.

  30. Walrus permalink
    April 5, 2019 9:29 am

    “You know fuck all about it apart from what you’re reading in the media.”

    Really ??????????????????

    I know you are fucking overpaid that’s for sure. You cannot compete anymore which has been forecast for many years. Ridiculously high rates of pay for basically unskilled workers like you.

    Grab your mop and bucket as it wont be long until you will be doing cleaning as a career. If you enjoy driving try Uber

    Yeah no technology used here LOL…………………..

  31. Walrus permalink
    April 5, 2019 9:34 am

    “You know fuck all about it apart from what you’re reading in the media.”

    Besides there is only one thing I actually need to know.

    It’s cheaper to make nappies in South East Asia

    That is ALL I need to know ROFLMAO

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2019 10:32 am

    The high labiur rates aren’t a particularly significant reason for manufacturing moving off shore . The they’re a second order rwason.

    Australian plant became old and unreliable. Owners have been unwilling to invest in overhaul, upgrade and construction.

    The Australian industrial relations environment is a significant factor, not the unions representing plant operators, it is the unions that represent the shutdown and construction workers.

    Companies plan to limit their exposure to opportunities for disruption. And the decaying manufacturing plants are a consequence.

    Investors can choose to put a billion into a plant in Asia, and have a project completed on budget and in time or they can put it into Australia.

    Guess where they put their billion?

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2019 11:09 am

    Try tax avoidance … oh, Wally knows about that too … engineer, CPA, IR, lobbyist … the list of skills and knowledge is endless …

    “A liitle knowledge can be dangerous”

    The video above shows the process – it still requires people to design, service and monitor … most production is the same these days … stick the ingredients in one end and the product comes out the other …

    (Wally probably thinks tomato sauce is produced by people stomping in buckets … and James Hardie make fibre-cement boards with cement workers using trowels … )

    However … we do know that AI is taking over the jobs of number crunchers … (one of the most unproductive activities on the globe)

    https://finance.toolbox.com/articles/is-artificial-intelligence-set-to-replace-accountants-in-the-future

    Jobs have constantly changed with the evolution of research and science … don’t see many blacksmiths around these day – quite a few mechanics, welders, fitters … heard an idiot on 4BC yesterday raving about how electric cars will destroy the auto parts industry ie NGK spark plugs not needed — NGK!!! FFS … then fan belts and oil and and and – and then he ran out of shite to say!

    Time for a Universal Basic Income …

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2019 11:58 am

    Try tax avoidance …

    Weather it is warranted or not, Australia has a poor reputation for delivering overhaul, construction and upgrade projects on time and on budget.

    Unions have used shutdowns and plant upgrade as a lever for their industrial claims in a way that doesn’t occur in neighbouring countries.

    Investors make their decisions as a result. It isn’t that operators are overpaid, it is the we don’t represent a stable investment destination for manufacturing.

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2019 12:25 pm

    Weather it is warranted or not …

    I think you meant … “Whether”

    Unions have used … ” Unions BOO!

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2019 12:33 pm

    “And Joe Hockey destroyed the manufacturing industry not the ALP ”

    TB

    It is statements like that why i think all ALP supporters are liars or deceived

    In 2006 we made 25% of cars locally. By 2013 that had crashed to only 10%. When Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM anybody with a brain knew the others would leave. Hockey was handed a corpse

    Blame the consumer. Car industry died under LABOR because aussies did not buy the cars they made

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2019 2:06 pm

    True TB, I’ll admit to the spelling/grammar error.

    Australian manufacturing got into the rust bucket state because of a lack of investment in plant upgrade, overhaul and renewal.

    Owners limited exposure to the unpredictability** of union behaviour by only ever doing the minimum work to maintain some operating capacity. Meanwhile they would put their money into Asuan expansion

    ** actually the behaviour was predictable, in many industries, just unsatisfactory.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2019 5:52 pm

    Blame the consumer. Car industry died under LABOR because aussies did not buy the cars they made

    Make your mind up … that’s word for word what I wrote about consumers when Hockey withdrew funding …

    The industry actually died when Hockey pulled the plug … it got sick – because of poor model marketing when the ALP was in government and still dealing with the GFC of 2008 … oh, that’s right the GFC never happened in your LNP Playbook …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    By paragraph:

    1. We all do it, ToM, but you made yourself a target years ago …

    2. Agree re “rustbucket” comment … Programmed Maintenance is a bit like Risk Assessment/Management in many large organisations – a blank stare … (eg many companies – some international – run plant and mobile equipment until it breaks down and then just repair it … as in safety it often takes an accident causing death and/or serious injuries for some Boards/Management to change their systems of training, H&S, and IR process, policies, procedures and protocols … and the number of sub contractors who take a lead from the Principal Contractor simply acerbates the problem(s)

    3. ** actually the behaviour was predictable, in many industries, just unsatisfactory.

    And applies equally to many Boards and Management groups …

    My experience on both sides of the fence – mainly management I see the responsibility of operating the business as the Board/Management Team not unions, whose prime concern is (or should be) the welfare of their members … it’s a little like saying Teachers are responsible for Education policies … or Nurses for Health policies … bus drivers for Transport policies …

    You do have a tendency to “shift” responsibility for business decisions onto unions, ToM … unions and members should, I believe, be given the opportunity by management to be involved in major decisions within the organisation they work within …

    The German system of 50% employees on Boards is pure genius from my personal experience … particularly as a Production Manager of a greenfield enterprise in solar energy …

  39. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2019 6:23 pm

    TB

    Hockey did NOT withdraw funding? Who told you that? Hockey told them they were going to get what was legislated until 2020 but nothing more. There were NO funding cuts. Funding is still available if you want to apply

    Industry died because aussies stopped buying aussie made cars

  40. April 5, 2019 7:16 pm

    Ok…so, as I said, I am in a position to know; you are NOT.

    You are incorrect about Robots, as I said.

    You are speaking from ignorance and ideological objection.

    Do you really need me to school you in the difference between high speed automation & ‘robots’?

    Do you really think you know more about converting technology?

    Give up, old, rich, soon to be extinct prick.

  41. April 5, 2019 7:20 pm

    “I know you are fucking overpaid that’s for sure. You cannot compete anymore which has been forecast for many years. Ridiculously high rates of pay for basically unskilled workers like you.”

    More pure ignorance.

    You don’t know what I am worth, much less what my skills are.

    I say, with extreme confidence, that you cannot do what I do. You would fucking wilt. You would need years of training. Complacent fool.
    You would be treated like a leper by my peers.

  42. April 5, 2019 7:22 pm

    I don’t make nappies & never have.

    I do, however, have a bit more insight into the industry than fat fucks who commentate from their ivory towers.

  43. April 5, 2019 7:26 pm

    FWIW…there has been ten million invested in where I am, over the next 18 months.

    This, after the last decade of tens of millions of dollars of investment.

    I have plenty of specifics, which I’m not free to share.

    Arsehats should stick to their niches before spouting off.

    Stay out of mine.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2019 7:28 pm

    … they were going to get what was legislated until 2020 but nothing more. There were NO funding cuts.

    I sigh every time I reply to you NeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeL … nothing more?

    Did you know that there is an election soon? Are you old enough to vote yet?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    @ toylet! Luv ya bro! Miss ya too … stick it too ’em … chuckle …

  45. April 5, 2019 7:35 pm

    “Australian manufacturing got into the rust bucket state because of a lack of investment in plant upgrade, overhaul and renewal.”

    It is a gross generalisation to claim that all Australian manufacturing is the same.

    My employer has ploughed not much less than $100,000,000 into the site in the decade+ that I have been there. We are regularly toured by government Ministers, State & Federal.

    People outside of the place have no fucking idea what goes on inside it.

    I’d like to watch them melt under real pressure.

  46. April 5, 2019 7:36 pm

    Greetings, TB.

    I find it difficult to bite my tongue, especially when other tongues are flapping obvious shit.

  47. April 5, 2019 7:46 pm

    That others are celebrating 200+ people, who worked for a living, and actually wanted a job, being offshored to China (is China Sth East Asia now?…do these celebrators even know what sort of capacity or technological strata of converting materiel even exists within China?) says heaps.

    Absolute fucking nasty, insulated, arrogant, self-differentiated flogs.

    Physically remote from the pathetic claims they are boldly making.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2019 8:41 pm

    My employer has ploughed not much less than $100,000,000 into the site in the decade+ that I have been there. 

    That’s obviously why it is still operating. Other manufacturing plants have been just nursed to the grave and that is significantly due to lack of investment due to unreliable upgrades

  49. April 5, 2019 9:16 pm

    Most likely, YomM.

    I note that your generalisations are a lot more specific and a lot less vindictive (and almost certainly better informed) than certain others who appear to promulgate ignorant ideological observations regarding industries they’re clearly unfamiliar with.

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2019 12:03 am

    That’s obviously why it is still operating. And probably working with the union(s) and their members productively rather than … antagonistically … bipartisanship truly is a synergistic miracle!

  51. Walrus permalink
    April 6, 2019 12:24 am

    Grab your mop asshat your time is coming. And it will come

    I’m sure I can’t do your job.

    But By the way I don’t want to do your crappy fucking job and who brought in the swearing comments you arsehole and the vindictive ?

    By the way I’m semi retired AI has no effect on me in my Ivory Tower

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2019 6:27 am

    TB

    There were no car industry funding cuts. Funding was legislated until 2020 and the Coalition did not have the numbers in the Senate to abolish them anyway. Hockey told Holden they were going to get what was legislated until 2020 but no extra money

    Funding is still available. You can apply at this link

    https://www.business.gov.au/assistance/automotive-transformation-scheme

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2019 5:00 pm

    FRom my link

    “The ATS has two stages as follows:
    Stage 1 – capped assistance of $1.5 billion from 2011 to 2015 and
    Stage 2 – capped assistance of $1 billion from 2016 to 2020.”

    Anybody eg people like TB, who say the Coalition cut subsidies for car manufacturers is telling lies. Funding was legislated until 2020. What Hockey told Holden in 2013 was that they would get the money legislated till 2020 but not a penny more

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2019 10:38 pm

    … but not a penny more

    And you would not consider that meaning cutting your pocket money off?

    You keep writing the words but missing the meaning.

    I don’t lie I tell you things you don’t like and deny.

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2019 12:27 am

    What? Hockey told Holden this

    “The ATS has two stages as follows:
    Stage 1 – capped assistance of $1.5 billion from 2011 to 2015 and
    Stage 2 – capped assistance of $1 billion from 2016 to 2020.”

    That is what auto manufacturers would get but not a penny more

    There were no funding cuts under the Coalition like you said

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2019 5:29 pm

    There were no funding cuts under the Coalition like you said

    Of course not they just stopped funding after 2020 … ie it would be cut off!

    The irony of that is that the “eco-comic managers” won’t be in government in 2020 …

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2019 5:41 pm

    U said the car industry died when Jockey pulled the plug. I take that to mean funding cuts from 2013. The ATS was funded till 2020. There were no funding cuts. You are just being deceitful. No govt could extend a program past 2020 until 2018 at least.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2019 7:29 pm

    I take that to mean funding cuts from 2013.

    Most people (including the car industry) took it to mean no more funding after 2020 – finito, finished, nein, non, CUT OFF forever! No More Funding means EVER … CUT! OFF!

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2019 8:06 pm

    Well that is a story I have never heard before. It is also something Hockey never said. It would have been impossible for any govt to say what would happen after 2020.

    And it was not what Holden was asking. Holden asked Hockey to increase the subsidies. Hockey said no. What was legislated till 2020 was all they were going to get under the Coalition

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2019 12:52 pm

    TomR

    They left because nobody was buying the cars they made. When Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM the others were always going to leave.

    But you can tell the writer of that article, Hawthorne is a Labor supporter because he lies. Lying is the characteristic of the ALP. Without govt assistance Hawthorne proclaims implying the Coalition was giving them nothing. Fact is they were told what was legislated till 2020 was all they were going to get but not a penny more.

    But telling lies helps nobody. In the late 1970’s we made most stuff here but now most of our manufactured goods are imported. Why?

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2019 2:11 pm

    But telling lies helps nobody.

    Agreed … so why do you continue to do it?

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2019 3:25 pm

    So Holden were getting about $10,000+ per vehicle as a subsidy.

    I’m not sure cars are that valuable to the taxpayers

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2019 3:34 pm

    TB

    The story used to be that the Coalition stopped car subsidies after being elected. That is what the journalist in TomR;s link was saying. That was wrong. Subsides are legislated till 2020.

    Then u say that the Coalition did not promise anything beyond 2020. That is a story I have never heard before because you just made it up. No govt could promise things that far in advance.

    The only people telling lies are ALP supporters

  64. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2019 5:49 pm

    I’m not sure cars are that valuable to the taxpayers

    Maybe not, but a healthy manufacturing industry is, and all it supports

  65. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2019 5:58 pm

    When did the coalition stop paying subsidies nil?

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2019 6:01 pm

    Sure, we would all prefer to maintain all industries, but really, is a subsidy of $10,000+ per car good use of our taxes?

    When does it stop, at $20,000 per car?

    Because eventually motor vehicle manufacturing here was always unlikely to be sustainable for the long term

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2019 6:28 pm

    TomR

    Obviously u did not read the previous posts. I posted this link earlier. Subsidies were never stopped and are still available. Hockey told Holden that they would get what was legislated until 2020 but not a penny more.

    https://www.business.gov.au/assistance/automotive-transformation-scheme

    “The ATS has two stages as follows:
    Stage 1 – capped assistance of $1.5 billion from 2011 to 2015 and
    Stage 2 – capped assistance of $1 billion from 2016 to 2020.”

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2019 6:59 pm

    I’m not sure cars are that valuable to the taxpayers

    You just proved you have no idea how national economies work …

    When does it stop, at $20,000 per car?

    You do you know that the mining industry has been subsidised for decades? Why FFS!

    Better to subsidise the farmers … oh wait!

    You do know that Australia was caught with its pants down at the beginning of WWII (that we declared before Britain BTW) because we had virtually destroyed our manufacturing industry and relied on Britain and …. wait for it … Japan … this time we rely on China … wait for it!

    Australia could not build an aeroplane until 1943 (the Wirraway) … bad business leads to war … check out the world … resource grabbing is bad business … the world is run by crooks and simpletons … and we suffer if we just watch on …

    You do know that most governments in the world support an auto manufacturing industry for two reasons economic churn of wages (the Multiplyer Effect) and the safety buffer in the event of conflict … that’s why buying from French military production companies concerns people like me …

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2019 7:06 pm

    ToM forgot how much we subsidise politicians in their pursuit of personal wealth and retirement …

    Naive, springs to mind …

    I have no idea what you did/do for a living but you obviously never got a cynic gene, or you were never exposed to the dickheads I had to deal with in 45 years!

    ’cause a lot of stupid people had way too much influence on my plans for a comfy life … don’t misunderstand … I fucked ’em all!

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2019 7:17 pm

    This is interesting ToM …

    The union representing pharmacists, Professionals Australia,

    Even pharmacists have a UNION … BOO!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/08/pharmacists-furious-about-guilds-15000-one-nation-donation

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2019 7:23 pm

    LOL!

    Is this subsidy? For Bullshit?

    This is LNP POLICY!

    Hi T,

    The majority of Australia’s most popular cars would not meet Labor’s reckless vehicle emissions targets.

    As a result, Labor’s Car Tax would increase the cost of vehicles by up to $5,000.

    Labor is already slugging big new taxes on retirees, housing, incomes, investments, family businesses and electricity. Now they’re going after your car?

    We’re sending bumper stickers to STOP Labor’s Car Tax, to everyone who chips in $3 or more.

    GET YOUR BUMPER STICKER

    Australia can’t afford Labor’s $200 billion of higher taxes.

    Thanks,
    Liberal HQ

    Authorised by A. Hirst for the Liberal Party of Australia.
    Corner of Blackall and Macquarie Streets, Barton ACT 2600.

    Click here to unsubscribe from this list.

    I call DESPERATE! LOL!

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2019 7:57 pm

    It looks like taxpayers were paying for about 30% of a car. How much moree would you have them pay TB?

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2019 8:43 pm

    From Liberal (what a laff) HQ

    The majority of Australia’s most popular cars would not meet Labor’s reckless vehicle emissions targets.

    As a result, Labor’s Car Tax would increase the cost of vehicles by up to $5,000.

    Labor is already slugging big new taxes on retirees, housing, incomes, investments, family businesses and electricity. Now they’re going after your car?

    What’s ANNOYING is that people believe this shite!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It looks like taxpayers were paying for about 30% of a car. How much moree would you have them pay TB?

    Show me the link …

    I think you meant “more” – sounding shrill again … I don’t GAF about Moree it’s in cockroach country!

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2019 8:46 pm

    Whoever puts these bastards on parole should be held accountable … jail is good …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/convicted-double-killer-on-the-loose-in-sydney-after-breaking-tracking-device/news-story/6c76b5bf864533bdb2dccff7436d88f5

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2019 1:24 pm

    Arithmetic TB… not maths and most definately not Economics 101

  76. Tom R permalink
    April 9, 2019 6:11 pm

  77. Tom R permalink
    April 9, 2019 6:29 pm

    It looks like taxpayers were paying for about 30% of a car. How much moree would you have them pay TB?

    Seems the skies the limit

    https://www.finder.com.au/half-price-car

    And that’s taxpayer money now subsidising foreign manufacturing.
    … not maths and most definately not Economics 101

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2019 7:46 pm

    Arithmetic TB… not maths and most definately not Economics 101

    Every once in a while I feel sorry for, ToM … 2+2 sometimes = 20 fkn 2!

    BTW, I think you meant “definitely” … red squiggly lines are a bit of a clue … 🙂

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2019 8:00 pm

    Tom R permalink
    April 9, 2019 6:11 pm

    My one hope is that Bill Shorten shows this country what a Prime Minister’s job really is* … if Labor does win government … and Bill does govern as I always believed he will … then two generations behind my kids will continue to vote for Labor …

    If I’m disappointed, I will, sadly, shift my vote to the Greens, hopefully with a more intelligent leader than Di Natalie …

    *involvement, listening to the people, managing the environment, entrusting the land to our indigenous citizens, supporting renewable energy and research into better generation systems and energy storage (all this will provide jobs), education needs a massive overhaul (we have kids in uni that can’t spell or put together a grammatically correct sentence ..) uni teacher training is abysmal – the NAPLAN should be based upon competency – to do “simple” maths, spelling, science, history and geography … not competent find out why and look at the teacher’s skills and knowledge. (Money does not make teachers smarter! Education does!) … and finally holding Labor Party politicians to the HIGH standards we all expect … **

    **At least Dastyari had the balls to come clean … Dutton is obviously lacking soemthing …

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2019 8:24 pm

    *”At least Dastyari had the balls to come clean … Dutton is obviously lacking soemthing ”

    What? Dutton met a constituent. That is he was doing his job. What is your problem?

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2019 10:55 pm

    Dutton met a constituent

    Chuckle!

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2019 5:35 pm

     … 2+2 sometimes = 20 fkn 2!

    Only in lefty TB land. And I don’t think that’s part of economics 101.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2019 7:22 pm

    … 2+2 sometimes = 20 fkn 2!

    I was referring to your maths, ToM … hence feeling sorry for you … but as usual … you just don’t get irony, sarcasm, or cynicism … what a clean and tidy little world you must reside in … (or at least think you do) …

  84. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2019 8:26 pm

    Too funny. Shorten condemned Dutton for meeting with that Chinese guy. Nothing wrong with that. It was a organised meeting which lead to nothing. Actually Dutton eventually cancelled his visa.

    Just came out that Shorten had attended that Chinese guys daughters wedding. And the ALP received a $50,000 donation from that person.

    However the Coalition are so clueless that the mud sticks to them rather than to Shorten

  85. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2019 8:37 pm

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/shorten-attended-huang-family-wedding-as-he-and-pm-downplay-chinese-interference

    “Mr Huang also met Mr Shorten in 2015 after he donated more than $50,000 to the Labor party, and the businessman was behind the resignation of Labor senator Sam Dastyari in 2017.
    Attorney-General Christian Porter announced photographs showed Mr Shorten dining at Mr Huang’s daughter’s wedding at the Shangri-La Hotel in Sydney in 2016…….Mr Huang has met with many people in the Labor party, in other sides of politics, and it’s a free country, they can meet with who they like,” Mr Morrison told reporters in Launceston on Wednesday.
    “But at the end of the day, we’re the ones who cancelled his visa, we are the ones who wouldn’t give him citizenship and we’re the ones who said he’s never returning to Australia.”

  86. Tom R permalink
    April 10, 2019 9:43 pm

    I like how that story forgot to mention robb was there, or how much money the libs have received.

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2019 10:10 pm

    How much money have the Libs received? Anyway the main point is that Dutton meeting with someone is not a big deal. Politicians meeting people is normal. Now Shorten attending that mans daughters wedding is interesting. Plus the ALP getting $50,000

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2019 10:21 pm

    Try this TB…
    Take the annual taxpayer subisdy and divide it by the number of cars manufactured.
    Let me know what you come up with!!
    Maybe somewhere in the vicinity of $10,000 per car.

  89. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    April 11, 2019 5:48 am

    But that`s the main part of the problem yomm. Auto boardrooms have always focused (globally) on extorting govts for corp welfare (nothing to do with da-onions) resulting in product unwanted by consumers.

    ____

    Agree with everything you said dunny, imbecile/s delude themselves they understand engineering, science, technology and production techniques by reading `accounting` papers and listening to manageWaffle.

    ____

    Quite frankly both teams are looking like yuck to me, blib stooten is running around spouting electric auto nonsense while forgetting the auto industry is long gone. Team zombie are hysteric claiming blib will take folks `utes` off them while forgetting our nation is now an auto `taker` of what the rest of the world (china) makes. @fcukwitsAllRound

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 10:01 am

    .. blib stooten is running around spouting electric auto nonsense while forgetting the auto industry is long gone …

    Why is it “electric” nonsense?

    Why does the auto industry’s demise create a problem?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country

    The more they build the cheaper they get …

    The government should subsidise a few CKD electric vehicle plants to employ ex-vehicle assemblers … and subsidise construction of re-charge stations across the nation – that would provide a few more jobs, generate spending, The Multiplier Effect kicks in, the economy is boosted along with increased tax revenue … link battery manufacturing, hydrogen fuel and transport, wind turbine and solar power in central Australia … water pipelines from the top end into the desert, satellite towns with plenty of power and water …

    Where’s the Rockshifter!!!!!

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 10:17 am

    ToM

    I went back to your original supposition … Take the annual taxpayer subisdy and divide it by the number of cars manufactured.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Australia

    Take the lowest number of vehicles manufactured – 167,538 2015

    Being generous @ $200,000,000 (its actually closer to $100,000,000)

    You do the numbers …

    So you’re happy with taxpayers subsidising submarines to the tune of $50 billion over four years?

  92. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    April 11, 2019 10:30 am

    Of course it is nonsense. We will be importing electric auto`s (and batteries) well before our turds ever get their act together to even build the factory to make them in.

  93. April 11, 2019 10:57 am

    Search and rescue teams found wreckage from a crashed Japanese F-35 stealth fighter in the Pacific Ocean close to northern Japan, and are scouring the waters for the missing pilot, authorities say.

    The aircraft, less than a year old, was the first F-35 assembled in Japan and was in flight for only 28 minutes on Tuesday before contact was lost, a defence official said.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-11/japanese-f35-wreckage-found-in-pacific-but-pilot-missing/10991118

    @and you realise l`m not all surprised with this of coure.

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 11:30 am

    @and you realise we are not at all surprised with this of course.

    (Assembled in Japan?) Mmmm

  95. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2019 1:11 pm

    So you’re happy with taxpayers subsidising submarines to the tune of $50 billion over four years?

    Subsidising French jobs

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2019 1:36 pm

    “Dutton met a constituent
    Chuckle!”

    Yes he did Dutton was doing his job. Shorten met that Chinese guy to. Not only did he meet him he went to his daughters wedding. Then labor took a $50,000 donation from that guy.

    What do you think about that TB?

  97. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2019 1:38 pm

    robb did too

    What do you think about that nil?

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2019 1:51 pm

    Don’t know. When did Robb meet this guy. Did he go to his daughters wedding like Shorten did? Did he accept $$$$$$$$$50,000 like Labor did?

  99. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2019 2:02 pm

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 2:19 pm

    Did he accept $$$$$$$$$50,000 like Labor did?

    No, even better he collects $450,000 a year on the Board of the CHINESE company now running DARWIN Harbour with a 99 year lease … Minister for Trade and Investment …

    Robb is a Board Member of the Kidman cattle enterprise and the Network Ten television station. He is the Chairman of Asialink and CNSDose, and a strategic advisor to Beef Innovations Australia, as well as a range of national and international businesses.[12]

    In October 2016, it was announced that Robb had joined the Landbridge Group,[13][14] a Chinese company which had been granted a 99-year lease on the Port of Darwin in 2015, as a “high-level economic consultant”.[15] It was reported that Robb had accepted the $73,000 per month position before leaving Parliament.[16][17] Landbridge Group is chaired by the Chinese Communist Party-connected billionaire, Ye Cheng.[17]

    What do you think about that nil?

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2019 2:29 pm

    TomR

    From your link

    “Labor leader Bill Shorten visited Huang Xiangmo at his Sydney mansion to secure political donations several months after Labor officials were warned the controversial business figure was of interest to ASIO over links to the Chinese government.
    Fairfax Media can reveal Mr Shorten – along with his family – travelled to the tycoon’s home in Mosman in March 2016, seeking help to fund Labor campaign ads for the widely expected double dissolution election in July.”

    And Dutton cancelled the guys visa

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 2:56 pm

    And Dutton cancelled the guys visa

    Was that before or after Dutton had lunch with Huang?

    Correction: Andrew Robb is paid $876,000 a year by Landbridge.

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2019 3:16 pm

    I believe it was after lunch that Dutton cancelled his visa. But Shorten went to his daughters wedding and Labor took a $50,000 donation from him

  104. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2019 4:21 pm

    Labor no longer take donations, haven’t for a couple of years (back when this story was new s).Dutton had dinner and let the family in, after ASIO stopped him.

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 4:37 pm

    Five weeks of this shite, TR … aghhhhh

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2019 4:37 pm

    FRom my earlier link

    ““Mr Huang also met Mr Shorten in 2015 after he donated more than $50,000 to the Labor party, and the businessman was behind the resignation of Labor senator Sam Dastyari in 2017.”

    Why is everything you say wrong?

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2019 5:27 pm

    Interesting…

    The media is always complaining about the defamation laws here, but really, it seems they’re often in a competition to be the most salacious.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/geoffrey-rush-has-won-his-defamation-suit-against-the-daily-telegraph/news-story/cef9b45c76d875b454bef3ad45b065aa

  108. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2019 5:57 pm

    Why is everything you say wrong?

    What was wrong?

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 6:04 pm

    Just in case you missed it … (apologies, at first I thought you were ignoring it, then realised you wouldn’t do that) 🙂

    ToM

    I went back to your original supposition … Take the annual taxpayer subisdy and divide it by the number of cars manufactured.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Australia

    Take the lowest number of vehicles manufactured – 167,538 2015

    Being generous @ $200,000,000 (its actually closer to $100,000,000)

    You do the numbers …

    So you’re happy with taxpayers subsidising submarines to the tune of $50 billion over four years?

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 6:08 pm

    Why is everything you say wrong?

    It’s all in the timing and the event … you get that being a scientist an’ all …

    Y’know … wedding party with lots of MPs from all parties, as opposed to a private one on one lunch … TWO years after the baby wedding …

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2019 6:12 pm

    What was wrong? Firstly u said Labor did not take donations when that story was news. It was around that time when the $50,000 donation to the ALP was made. Then i did not understand your next point. Dutton canceled the guys visa after advice from ASIO

  112. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2019 6:35 pm

    It was around that time when the $50,000 donation to the ALP was mad

    It was after it.

    And ASIO did advice to cancel the visa, but he still made the family citizens.

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2019 7:04 pm

    So what? And what do u mean :”it was after it” So he made the $50,000 donation to the ALP after Shorten went to his daughters wedding? How does that improve things?

  114. Drink`Some`More`Teabag permalink
    April 11, 2019 7:33 pm

    “My one hope” Oh FFS, that`s just continuing to guzzle the duopoly coolade! There is no way blib stooten is going to do as well in jonestown or FN bananaland as the usual echo chambers are claiming.

  115. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2019 11:30 am

    So he made the $50,000 donation to the ALP after Shorten went to his daughters wedding?

    Try reading the stories, and try to understand the flow time while doing it.

  116. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2019 11:46 am

    An interesting story about barnyard, angus taylor and dead fish

    Almost as interesting as the tweeter who posted the thread, who then got deleted overnight, for reasons not yet known

    Gestapo tactics at play in election 2019?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190411105608/https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1115882318927933445.html

  117. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2019 11:51 am

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