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April 11, 2019
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YES PLEASE, SIR!
I used to admire Julian Assange. But then he delivered the presidency to Trump, so now I think he’s a f***wit
Good on Ecuador for tossing him out.
I’ve never liked Assange … puts soldiers and intelligence officers’ lives at risk and provides our enemies with strategic information … GT Bay sounds good …
Just in case you missed it … (apologies, at first I thought you were ignoring it, then realised you wouldn’t do that) 🙂
ToM
I went back to your original supposition … Take the annual taxpayer subisdy and divide it by the number of cars manufactured.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Australia
Take the lowest number of vehicles manufactured – 167,538 2015
Being generous @ $200,000,000 (its actually closer to $100,000,000)
You do the numbers …
So you’re happy with taxpayers subsidising submarines to the tune of $50 billion over four years?
No idea how submarines are procured by the government TB.
So, even given the figures you’ve posted, how much were you willing to cough up for a car subsidy?
Australia used to manufacture over 50% of vehicles sold here. At the time of it’s demise I think it was about 20%. People just didn’t want those cars, despite the subsidy.
how much were you willing to cough up for a car subsidy?
More than millionaires claim on accountants
Tom of Melbourne
By the end of Labors term in 2013 locally made cars had crashed to only 10% of the market. Take away fleet car sales eg taxis, local govt etc, nobody was buying aussie made cars. No wonder they left.
There should be an investigation why that happened because the automakers were getting billions in subsidies
used to ” admire Julian Assange. But then he delivered the presidency to Trump” @crap, the yank duopoly did, particularly the dems
puts ” soldiers and intelligence officers lives at risk” @ZERO
and ” provides our enemies with strategic information” @doubtful
@great to see everybody is reaching across the isle and guzzling the yank koolade and not letting pesky facts get in the way.
ToM, let’s start at the very beginning …
Tom of Melbourne permalink
April 8, 2019 6:01 pm
Sure, we would all prefer to maintain all industries, but really, is a subsidy of $10,000+ per car good use of our taxes?
When does it stop, at $20,000 per car?
Because eventually motor vehicle manufacturing here was always unlikely to be sustainable for the long term
Let’s now do some sums …
“”””””Take the lowest number of vehicles manufactured – 167,538 – 2015
Being generous @ $200,000,000 (its actually closer to $100,000,000)””””””
So, $200,000,000 ÷ 167,538 vehicles
Calculate on my trusty solar powered calculator …
Mmmmmm … $1,193.76 each vehicle
Now bearing in mind that the $200 million was over four years … lets divide $1200 by 4 =
Wow $300 per vehicle … not $10,000 …
Another Liberal economic management balls up! And still being perpetuated …
Australia used to manufacture over 50% of vehicles sold here. At the time of it’s demise I think it was about 20%. People just didn’t want those cars, despite the subsidy.
And yet in 2018 Ford was No 5 and Holden No 6 in sales … as usual Toyota was No 1 and Nissan No 8 …
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/australian-car-market-car-sales-statistics-and-figures-70982
And while I agree with the statement that GM Holden in particular was not manufacturing what Australians wanted (in fact I wrote the same in more than one comment on this blog and elsewhere) … the furphy of subsidies being the issue still perpetuated … it was the marketing and sales side that dropped the ball … not production … and the subsidies kept over 50,000 people in work and spending and paying taxes … the government lost more revenue than it thought it had saved! FFS!
$50 billion subsidies on 12 submarines will keep 4,000 people employed …
Oh bugger that’s in France …
Just 2,800 people will be employed here in good old Oz … and that’s over 10 years …
While 50,000 people lose their jobs …
Dudded again with that stealthy Liberal economic management skill set …
Now, everyone light your cigars … and smirk …
https://www.business.gov.au/Assistance/Automotive-Transformation-Scheme
“The ATS has two stages as follows:
Stage 1 – capped assistance of $1.5 billion from 2011 to 2015 and
Stage 2 – capped assistance of $1 billion from 2016 to 2020.”
$1.5 B from 2011-2015 is $375M/year
By the end of Labors term in 2013 locally made cars had crashed to only 10% of the market.
Evidence?
In fact under the LNP, PM trifecta, vehicle manufacturing dropped to ZERO!
https://www.caradvice.com.au/269528/end-of-australian-made-cars-what-happened-and-what-it-means/
“Australian-made vehicles overall totalled nearly 250,000 in 2005 but had more than halved by 2013 (118,510).”
There were 1.1M cars sold in 2013. And only 118K of those were made in Australia. Locally made car sales crashed under labor. When Ford announce they were leaving when Gillard was PM the industry was dead
Just 2,800 people will be employed here in good old Oz … and that’s over 10 years …
I wouldn’t even bank on them being here. The subs have no minimum Aussie component. Sold down the river on that one too.
Not that we could support that sort of industry once they booted the cars out.
TomR
Telling lies helps nobody. Ford was not booted out. They announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM. That was it. The industry was dead
Calling humans like you evil is an understatement. TomR you have no ethics, morals or a conscience. telling lies is your natural state
Calling humans like you evil is an understatement.
I always knew you were the walking dead …
have “ no minimum Aussie component. Sold down the river on that one too.” @correct
Not ” that we could support that sort of industry once they booted the cars out.” @agree, assembling `imported components` is Low-end and not the same level of bang-for-bucks as high-end, fully made here items.
subsidies ” on 12 submarines will keep 4,000 people employed .. Oh bugger that`s in France” @everything l`ve seen, once the canoe building is up and running, it will provide Le-frogs with 9000 to 13000 jobs, not junkjobs either, full time, well paid jobs. Generating zero tax receipts for clowntown. @own.goal @-l can`t see blib stooten being able to reverse this either.
The Victorian government’s attack ads on federal funding for hospitals and schools will be referred to the anti-corruption watchdog.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/vic-govt-anti-canberra-ads-draws-oppn-ire
I think it is disgraceful that the Vic government is using taxpayer dollars for attack advertising in the federal election campaign
I think it is disgraceful
Have you seen the advertisement?
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/16/tony-abbott-says-he-would-be-willing-to-resume-leadership-if-drafted-in
ROFLMAO!
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/australia-accused-of-siphoning-millions-in-timor-leste-oil-revenue
It was always about the OIL never about freeing ET from Indonesian rule!
Economic managers alright – try thieving bastards …
I think it’s very generous of TAbbott to offer himself up as a new PM contender. I think in the interests of transparency though, the decent thing would be to challenge sooner rather than later. By the end of the week would be ok with me.
Yes, I saw it on TV!! That’s when I decided it was disgraceful!
And Tony for opposition leader!! Great, that’s a party going places!!
Liberal money management at work …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/16/liberal-mp-gave-one-and-a-half-million-novelty-cheque-to-sports-club-despite-warning-funds-not-yet-approved
Remember this one?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/22/georgina-downers-giant-novelty-cheque-sparks-inquiry-into-funding-program
They love to throw money around – other people’s …
As for political campaign adverts LNP – $137,000,000 of TAXPAYER money – since the beginning of the year?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-09/understanding-government-and-political-advertising-rules/10981482
We’re now in pre-election caretaker mode TB.
But the ALP is using a state government to circumvent that convention
But the ALP is using a state government to circumvent that convention
How disgraceful!
So this is OK then?
As for political campaign adverts LNP – $137,000,000 of TAXPAYER money – since the beginning of the year?
Fucking rules … we should publish the Pub Test Rules … but then if you vote for the LNP you only visit pubs at election time … hey?
Luckily for the LNP Neeeel seems to emulate the majority (for the time being) of Australian voters … ’tis like surviving the Walking Dead …
https://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.s-nbcnews.com%2Fj%2Fnewscms%2F2017_41%2F2187676%2F171012-phone-crowds-paris-njs-601p_d92bb74d3b997379f38aa038131918d8.fit-760w.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fthink%2Ftech%2Ftech-addiction-more-problem-people-realize-ncna810246&docid=9mbKHvG22XMVvM&tbnid=QyPFpNk90R6PpM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwib1Oa_tdThAhVFeH0KHWFFBjMQMwhQKAUwBQ..i&w=760&h=458&hl=en&bih=966&biw=1488&q=mobile%20telephone%20crowds&ved=0ahUKEwib1Oa_tdThAhVFeH0KHWFFBjMQMwhQKAUwBQ&iact=mrc&uact=8
Economic money managers my arse …
https://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/morrison-s-plan-requires-40b-cut-20190415-p51e6l
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/federal-election-live-coverage-of-day-six-on-the-campaign-trail/live-coverage/21628aab4d9b76b73d56b880714a00ba
On and on …
How will front yard signage differentiate the teams on this. As slomo instantly promised macron le-frog big taxpayer funded donations to rebuild incinerated house of skyfairy, blib stooten immediately went me-too, me-too. The vatican has more than enough to build and rebuild all the houses their fluttering skyfairy could ever need. But it looks like both teams are prepared to piss away some of our treasury on offshore skyfairy dwelling. @fcuk.em.both
TB, try googling “caretaker mode”
ToM, stop trying to play the school teacher … I know what caretaker mode is … the issue is about the wasted TAXPAYER coinage … these boofheads think they are royalty – they could be they are just as much wasted space … and where did the phrase “political class” come from … since when did politicians ever have “class” …
tbagz … ’cause all our pollies are dog botherers … and don’t forget the close relationship we have with the French shipbuilding community … I considering barbed wire all around my property … to keep the “believers” out …
I’m not arguing about excessive advertising by governments. ALL governments do it.
The difference here is that a state ALP government is spending taxpayer money on political advertising during an election campaign.
Do you have anything to say about that TB?
Some interesting reading here … Domelli from the Prime Preacher’s Pentecostal Podium is quite amusing.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/17/secular-lobby-advocates-equality-as-religious-leaders-highlight-election-issues
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Do you have anything to say about that TB?
I haven’t seen the advert … and have only your opinion that it is “political” … does it promote the Federal Caretaker Government or Opposition or simply provide factual differentiation between policies affecting Mexico?
Shouldn’t you let “the anti-corruption watchdog” decide? 🙂
Couldn’t organise SFA!
(Still any advertising I guess)
Me either. l`m pretty sure each state can decide what their own interests are and lobby them. Highly doubtful anti corruption watchdog is needed, most likely you know who can`t tell the difference whether state treasury, state team or other interest group paid for them anyway, wouldn`t notice when the teabags have done the same either.
Yes, Get Up are very reliable… what a dill!!
https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/getup-boss-in-car-crash-interview-over-claims-josh-frydenberg-was-part-of-liberal-coup-20190417-p51f1h.html
Joshy were innocent I tells yer!
A hundred thousand? Chicken feed – contempt of court should be at least jail time AND a fine – 3 months minimum … law is law … want to play Sharia law fuck of to where you came and stop fucking my country up!
You would hope that this is the nail in a very corrupt coffin
Here on the coast, long weekend don’t have the same appeal these days.
I can’t get my table at the cafe and the surf is crowded.
If we could just make it legal to pay people the same (minimum) rate any day of the year regardless, your troubles would be cured.
Although, to me, that’s simply another reason to restore the penalty rates 😉
Here`s the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel: The whole point of the Mueller Investigation was to see if a conspiracy with Russia existed to affect the 2016 election. Dems like Adam Schiff promised otherwise, but it ended without a single American charged for colluding with Russia. ; Why? Because there was no collusion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/23/no-collusion-after-all/?noredirect=on
@happy chocolate egg time teabags (-:
And yet there was evidence of obstruction of justice … that maybe led to a lot of bending the truth with regard to collusion?
Once ya start telling porkies ya gotta keep on tellin’ porkies … ’til someone kills the pig!
Amazes me still that politicians, directors and senior mangers just don’t understand the simple concept of telling the truth … ’cause eventually the truth will tell …
chocolate is not good for you … especially milk chocolate …
Is it easter?
Russians weren`t waiting for Robert Mueller`s report with quite the same excitement as Americans. Russian state media`s coverage of Donald Trump`s campaign and presidency has vacillated between breathless adoration, mockery and outrage, but one thing has been consistent: The idea of Russia electing and controlling an American president has always been deemed absurd. Most references to the Mueller inquiry and the Trump-Russia story in state media are preceded by a qualifier: “the so-called Russia investigation,” as the prominent TV host Dmitry Kiselyov puts it. It`s not just the state media that has rejected the idea that Mr. Trump colluded with Russia. Even liberals and opponents of President Vladimir Putin have been deeply skeptical, pointing out that Russia`s ruling circles are barely competent enough to prop themselves up, let alone manipulate a superpower.
Amazes me still that politicians, directors and senior mangers just don’t understand the simple concept of telling the truth … ’
As well as union officials and just about every other occupation.
You know who doesn`t comprehend ; Leadership needs to come from the top. @chortle
Volodymr Zelensky, a popular comedian initially brushed off by Ukraine`s political elite as a novice, won the nation`s presidential election in a landslide vote Sunday. Zelensky, 41, earned more than 70% of the votes, according to exit polls, and his supporters expressed hopes the victory would usher in a new generation of leaders committed to weeding out oligarchs and political corruption.
Zelensky was running against incumbent President Petro Poroshenko, a billionaire chocolate tycoon(snip!)
Many Zelensky supporters said they were voting for him not because they backed whatever largely unstated plans he might have for running the post-Soviet nation of 44 million, but because they sought to reject Poroshenko`s entanglement in Ukraine`s corrupted political elite.(snip!)
https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-ukraine-elections-20190421-story.html
Poroshenko, 53, campaigned as a wartime president who brought economic stability to the country despite the ongoing threat of Russian attacks. But he failed to convince voters he had done enough to combat the country`s endemic corruption. The president received just 25% of the vote, according to exit polls, representing a humiliating defeat at the hands of a political newcomer. Poroshenko conceded shortly after the exit numbers came out Sunday evening.
Yep… them Catlicks cause so many problems…
Hundreds killed, 450 injured as explosions rock Catholic churches during Easter mass
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/scores-hurt-in-sri-lanka-easter-church-bombings-20190421-p51fyn.html
It has been widely stated that the Christchurch terrorism was enabled by anti immigration /Muslim comments and attitudes.
I wonder whether that is true of the overt anti catlick comments, leading to the slaughter of a couple of hundred…
I wonder whether that is true of the overt anti catlick comments
Or the fact that the doctrine is heavily influenced and controlled by pedophiles?
Exactly the type of sentiment that may give comfort to extremists that think it’s ok to slaughter hundreds of people that mustbe pedophile sympathisers.
You know, that’s what catlicks are
I wonder whether that is true of the overt anti catlick comments, leading to the slaughter of a couple of hundred…
Given that the murderers were religious extremists? (Sri Lanka’s dominant religion is Buddhism – 70% of the population … christians (were they all catholic?) number about 1.5% …
I wonder if organised religions have caused more deaths, destruction, terror and cruelty than any other factor in human existence … religions ALL religions are about power and control … nothing else …
Still that wasn’t your covert intent, ToM, was it, don’t let the truth get in the way of a snarky comment? I wonder too …
Remember that you’ve supported the sense of collective blame for catlicks ?
You know, when you said- if you’re a member of the club, you have to share responsibility
I wonder whether that type of sentiment enables extremists ?
I see our inHouse catlick pedofile defender is fluttering on behalf of his skyfairy again. That`s mighty white of you. Too bad you you haven`t worked out that skyfairy extremists are as bad as whitepower extremists.
(I wonder whether that type of sentiment enables extremists ?
It’s complicated.
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Askin’ for a friend.
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….deemed absurd….
Trump Tower, Moscow: “not memorable“!)
(everybody at rolling stone had fishing poles yet nobody hooked the clownhaired cod) (-:
1. Remember that you’ve supported the sense of collective blame for catlicks ?
No, you said that, not me … I don’t “support” any “collective” … never have – never will … I’ve joined one club in my life – BRMA and will not renew my membership this year … ’cause its run by old fart wankers …
And I certainly don’t support violence nor encourage it.
2. You know, when you said- if you’re a member of the club, you have to share responsibility
Or leave it or change it …
3. I wonder whether that type of sentiment enables extremists ?
I have no idea … does it?
I wonder where you are going with this? And why?
Just a point here – I answer to no one … no club, collective, you and especially blame trips … so get off the arrogant guilt trip …
No, that was your comment TB, and if I could be bothered , I’d find it.
But the point is that anti immigration/Muslim/right comments are blamed for enabling the terrorist in Christchurch and I’m asking why anti catlick comments haven’t enabled this terrorist act.
And TB, you reserve your most vitrolic comments for catlicks, rather than all religions
I see barny has just won the train crash award for the 21st Century.
All other applicants need not apply
https://radio.abc.net.au/programitem/pgM7rge83G?play=true
And TB, you reserve your most vitrolic comments for catlicks, rather than all religions
You say they’re vitriolic – a few days ago its was ridicule … as I said then, I criticise the catholic church because of its hypocrisy and the fact that it dominates Australian politics like no other (not Sri Lanka) …
Your overt comments are actually nothing more than personal vindictiveness towards me.
And that demonstrates a catholic trait I’ve noticed over the years …
Freedom of speech works both ways … not just for religion …
Challenge my comments but don’t snidely insinuate that I am somehow responsible for the deaths and injuries to innocent people by a bunch of religious/political nutters … blowing up three churches and two hotels – that really is despicable.
Never thought you’d stoop so low … disappointing …
As I’ve said, I’m not a catlick or even religious, but i try not to ridicule the sincerely held spiritual beliefs of people. Whereas you’re entirely willing to ridicule catlicjs in particular TB.
There has been plenty of comments about how anti Muslim/ immigration comments “enabled” terrorism in Christchurch. I’m asking whether anti catlick comments have also “enabled” the latet terrorism.
You’ll note that I didn’t specify your comments did this TB, but I have previously said your sentiments represent bigotry.
LOL! Another example of the LNP thinking people are dumb and gullible.
Toxic alright and it stinks to high heaven!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/22/liberal-mps-erase-partys-name-and-logo-from-election-campaign-material
l am not a teabag .. l am not a catlick ..
l am not a teabag .. l am not a catlick ..
Null?
Our msm cheersquad are getting pretty desperate.
Good
Just what we want as a Prime
PreacherMinisterhttps://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/prime-minister-scott-morrison-hits-back-at-mockery-of-his-church-photos/news-story/c2f09635a348de85c6e6c24c6e7ef3e6
Jesus fkn wept!
Of course the Legacy outlets are full of crap teamcheerer.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2019/guide/higg/
Look at all the noise they are making about safe zombies seats at risk. That link is higgins, the retiring odwyer critters seat. lts been blue for 40 years, l reckon there is fcuk all chance of it changing. Same with joshs seat nearby, another 40 year blue seat.
An Australian prime minister would be forced from office if they commited just a fraction of the questionable acts US President Donald Trump was accused of in the Mueller report, according to former prime minister Kevin Rudd.
Rudd is correct. And Trump is a complete arsehole as are the mindless f***wits that support him.
Hey genius, italic quoting doesn`t mean much without a link. @justsayin
Hey fuckwit, ever hear of google?
Via tbs limitednews ; Morrison hit back at the people who had mocked him in an extraordinary spray. “There was another one, another group, who was likening my praise in my own church on the weekend to some sort of Hitler salute,” @yes, that`s what l thougt too ; meta dropped the photo link above at April 22, 2019 2:19 pm.
He(slomo) faced awkward questions on another subject though ; specifically, the fact that Clive Palmer`s incessant TV ads and billboards seem to be working. A Newspoll of four marginal seats out today shows a surge in support for Mr Palmer`s United Australia Party. The UAP recorded a stunning primary vote of 14 per cent in the Queensland seat Herbert, where its candidate is former State of Origin player Greg Dowling.
@there must be plenty of `blo` in herbert. l`m sure dowling was one of the nrl gang of snorters busted in southport a few years ago. @yaaay.team
And Trump is a complete arsehole as are the mindless f***wits that support him.
All of a sudden I’m thinking about shifting my support to Trump … have no idea why … 🙂
wordpress..com ” has chosen the 12 newsrooms that will help shape Newspack, the core business platform for small and medium-sized news organizations. Newspack is a project of WordPress..com and its parent” https://newspack.blog/ @looks like the Legacy outlets will shed more viewers and it will be all twitters fault!
There is no doubt theRonald `show` will be spectacular in 2020 (and featuring favorite guests `lock her up`, build the wall and drain the swamp), but l`m expecting the zelensky `show` fresh from the ukraine to top the ratings.
There was initial speculation that billionaire donors were contributing to Notre Dame to receive a generous tax break from the state. Typically, the French government allows corporations a 60 percent tax deduction on donations made in the realm of culture.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/billionaires-raced-to-pledge-money-to-rebuild-notre-dame-then-came-the-backlash/2019/04/18/7133f9a2-617c-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html?noredirect=on
“Billionaires should pay taxes,” tweeted economist Julia Cage, “not give when they feel like it, benefiting from enormous tax breaks.”
(snip!!)the cascade of cash that materialized overnight to save the cathedral has raised eyebrows in France, still in the throes of a crippling protest over rising social inequality and whose leader is regularly decried as the “president of the rich.“
With all the lies being spread about death taxes, here’s trip down memory lane.
So if its not Labor! Labor! Labor! Labor!
Its Lies! Lies! Lies! Lies! Lies! Lies!
See a pattern?*
Seems ISIS are claiming responsibility for the Sri Lankan murders …
*Panic! Panic! Panic! Panic! Panic! Attack! Attack! Attack! Attack!
Even on backwater blogs it seems … get rid of the dangerous commenters … LOL!
Why do the left disdain volunteers? This example is particularly poor taste, just a day after 2 volunteer lifesavers died trying to rescue a tourist, GetUp releases an advert putting shit on Abbott via him being a volunteer lifesaver.
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/federal-election-2019-live-tuesday-april-23/live-coverage/82165f0ba712455266a78bb5b1a0cbd7
Why do the left disdain volunteers?
Your “belief” system is really in overdrive …
THE LEFT don’t … SOMEONE(s) in GetUp have cocked up … its is an atrocious ad and in extremely poor taste (even tho I suspect it was scripted long before the tragic deaths of a father and son)* … the timing of its release is awful …
Drawing extremely long bows like this only shows you’re panicking … anyway, I thought you couldn’t spread the blame to the whole club?
Make yer fkn mind up …
*Contrary to popular belief these ads are not created overnight (or over a couple of weeks) … even the time slots are planned/booked weeks ahead …
Let me guess teamcheerer ; blib stooten is saying `there will be no death tax under a govt l lead` (-:
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Did everybody see reportland tonight ; cracker story on wireCo ; the area with fiber to user works perfectly ; everywhere else, folks aint getting what they pay for, but problems.
https://www.katherinetimes.com.au/story/6085299/labor-wants-to-fast-track-nt-fracking-too/
Well this is a dilemma … I am absolutely opposed to any fracking – anywhere … wonder who the local independents are …
Why do the left disdain volunteers?
Tony Abbott’s problem is that he exhibits signs of basic human decency – for example by being a volunteer fire-fighter and lifesaver. However, exhibiting decency to a leftist is like holding a cross to a vampire. They froth and scream to destroy the hated thing.
Leftists believe that volunteers are an impediment to state hegemony. Drongo Dan Andrews smashed volunteer fire-fighters to empower his mongrel union mates. People coming together to help each other strengthens communities.
Imagine if people come to realize that they can get by with less interference from the government! Hell, some people might escape the learned helplessness foisted on them by the welfare state. And then what? People might start standing up to the fascist enforcers of the new puritism – the Human Rights Commissars and the Gaystapo.
As to the particular ad in question, Getupthemselves! is the perfect place for self-regarding virtue-signaling socialists – a cashed-up private company owned by a cabal of wealthy wankers trying to buy power and influence to reshape the world in their own misshapen image. Hold a mirror up to them and they’d see … nothing, fucking vampires that they are: sucking the life-blood of decency out of society and replacing it with the politics of grievance and victimhood.
“Lefties” don’t hate volunteers. They hate bottom feeding pollies sucking off the public teet and using volunteer organisations to further their own agenda
TR, I think you meant …
“Lefties” don’t hate volunteers. They hate bottom feeding pollies sucking off the public teet and using volunteer organisations to further their own agenda
Oh, wait …
Paranoia is ever present … shrill panic and fantasy … definitely a best seller!
(Make yer fkn mind up …
Yes. Poor, misunderstood, underappreciated Tony.
See how he suffers* for his exemplary service to God, Queen, Country, and Community!
I* blame the petunia oil; and that leather-jacketed turncoat.)
Just arrived in my inbox …
Yes. Poor, misunderstood, underappreciated Tony.
That’s a bit cheeky, ivi … double entendre?
Which Tony are we talking about? 🙂
Even the organization representing volunteer lifesavers has condemned the ad.
GetUp are up themselves.
By the way, I joined because I like being on the mailing list.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/more-than-au14-million-raised-for-boy-thrown-from-shopping-mall-balcony-by-stranger/news-story/2cad0dcac49168c7c2364576a0999b44
BAIL! BAIL! Another reason I don’t want my country to become the 51st State!
Even the organization representing volunteer lifesavers has condemned the ad.
GetUp are up themselves.
I agree!
By the way, I joined because I like being on the mailing list.
But I hope you are on the Young Liberals website … ’cause I am …
And they are up themselves.
I’m also on the the Liberals and Labor mailing lists …
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On another issue I actually witnessed (heard mostly) a police break-in and arrest on my morning walk … ya know to the “stay on the floor!” from the bashing on the door* … stuck around in case the police needed a hand … the neighbors played on their mobiles … astounding Walking Dead ….
*swearing that would have left ToM breathless and reb giggling!
The man with A face like a mass extinction 😆
Thanks ivi 😉
Chuckle!
The ad l saw was lifeguard tony sitting on the beach. Somebody runs up and says `help tony, somebody is drowning`. Tony replies `the science on that isn`t in yet` and takes a bite out of his onion.
You really have to have your head planted deeply up your own arse to not enjoy that ad. (even if the science isn`t in yet)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/24/brendan-nelson-denies-conflict-of-interest-after-passing-on-fees-from-arms-firm-to-war-memorial
GRRRRRRRR!
What fkn hypocrisy … 3,000 veterans on our streets!
10 meter waves around here!! I think I’ll remain dry.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/freak-waves-up-to-10-metres-to-hit-victoria-s-west-coast-on-friday-20190424-p51gyn.html
I see Bill Shorten’s sport at the hugely expensive catlick school – Xavier College- was sabre fencing.
Was that Star Wars inspired? It’s an unusual choice, and an exclusive choice at an exclusive school.
Is fencing provided at the local public high school? Only the chiicken wire type.
Yes its really closing the circle isn`t it. Weapon makers fund corrupt weak pollies that stick us into disasters we have no business being in. Pollies make lots of hot air and appearances beside war fawning memory stones. WeaponsCorp then gets branding rights to war fawning memory stones for small fee, no doubt tax deductible before offshoring profits. All while ignoring the folks with military grade injury. @Turds
Just another godbotherer …
He can bother dog all he wants. lt won`t do him any good. l can`t wait for this shit election to be over. The pre poll can`t open soon enough for me.
Is the frontyard signage up to scratch this year!
No-one’s asked (perhaps its a sign? – couldn’t help it!)… I’d have to think about it tho’ …
l don`t have any indy`s to back this time round, only 4-options. 1-greenz ; 2-clivez ; 3-teabag ; 4-dishwater. l saw the local teabag some years ago, fcuking hopeless, but somehow team dishwater managed to find a bigger dud, so l`ve switched my arse end vote sequence from usual, as l don`t like the dishwater dud blib stooten is trying to shove down my throat. (saw it live last week) At least we have a `clivez` to frighten the zombies with.
At least we have a `clivez` to frighten the zombies with.
DON’T this prick still owes workers MILLIONS of $$$$$ … and the bastard has just spent over $30,000,000 … a donkey vote would have more value for the nation … he’s also facing criminal charges … every business he’s “owned” has failed … this wanker is worse, stupider and more egotistic than Trump … and they both deserve the same …
The only thing Palmer is uniting is his arse cheeks!
I know all that teebz. Unfortunately l`m in a deep teabag blue electorate and won`t change. This election l just get to stick my hand in the main sewer and try and select the firmest turd.
more than 30 firefighters were called to a plant at Broadmeadows where a 15 square metres pile of recycling rubbish was alight.
“An adjoining factory full of old mattresses was threatened by the fire,” the MFB said in a statement, adding that the fire gave off large plumes of black smoke.
It took 30 minutes to bring under control and a nearby wall was damaged but no one was injured.
The fires follow a blaze at a factory containing toxic chemicals at West Footscray, which burned for days and sent an acrid smoke plume over parts of the city, forcing the temporary closure of nearby schools and businesses.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic-car-parts-fire-near-toxic-blaze-033108637–spt.html
@guffaw, it looks like boltsvillage has found a way of dealing with recyclables since china stopped importing them. Let`s hope that toxic smoked didn`t float into moonee fcuking ponds or onto blib stooten
Labor locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013. The only answer i want is how many boat people will labor and their supporters like TB of Queensland lock up next time?
What a fcuking imbecile?? You actually believe blib stooten will win?? Keep squirting dummy!!
You actually believe blib stooten will win??
Mmmmm that’s a problem actually … if the the drones fear their hive is really under attack the dirtier they’ll get … as far as I can see the polls are actually closing up in LNP favour …
er, what uranium mine? WTF!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/27/uranium-miner-coaxed-government-to-water-down-extinction-safeguards
Approved just before the election!
as I ” can see the polls are”
The legacy outlets like to play up that blib stooten will win, to build hope for the pinkist fanbase and scare the teabag fanbase, as it suits and satisfies both psychological profiles. lt will continue to work as long as viewers are not distracted with the last 70 preferred `leader` poles favoring blib stooten.
Just got two emails – one from the LNP … one from the ALP …
One described its policies for women … equal representation, equal pay, violence against women, fairer retirement incomes for women, women’s reproductive health and 50% female representation in parliament …
The other described Bill Shorten and his presentation of more taxes on superannuation, housing tax, emmissions policy, higher incomes tax ….
Kill Bill is alive and well … let’s hope it gets a terminal disease soon …
lt will continue to work as long as viewers are not distracted with the last 70 preferred `leader` poles favoring blib stooten.
er? Wrong, sunshine …
CentreLink goes after cheats all the time … BUT … it works both ways … we are SFRs with some pension and our own super (before you start – my taxes from 1963 to 1992 were based on a pension HIGHER than taxes now and in 1992 we were self employed! The year compulsory super was introduced)
Here’s the rub … in late 2011 I bought a brand new Hyundai Santa Fe – Red Book $44,000 … CentreLink review assets and income in March and September each year … what they don’t tell you is that YOU have to inform them that the value of your vehicle has decreased … my car is seven years old and they are still using the purchase value as an asset – it is now worth about $18,000! That’s translates to $36 (for a couple) a fortnight … $976 pa …
I call CentreLink a rip off!
Kill Bill is alive and well …
You sound desperate TB
You sound desperate TB
Just telling it like it is … BOO!
You’re very sensitive TB.
I think the ALP uses the “shady ad man” lable about Morrison at every opportunity, but you only notice criticism of Shorten
ROFL “ only notice criticism of ” . . . “ sensitive ”
l see potKettle is providing the comedy again (-:
You’re very sensitive TB.
Why thank you, ToM … you can be a sweetie too sometimes … 🙂
It’s an unusual choice, and an exclusive choice at an exclusive school.
he’s a pussy right!
https://www.google.com/search?q=bruce+dickinson+fencing
This HeadLine “ If you vote early, it may cost you more than an election sausage ” is just braindead FakeNews from my Legacy outlet abc. 1.The `on-page` headline is totally different. 2.The `news-value` to viewers is fcuking zero. l strongly believe my abc does NOT need to compete rigorously with LimitedNews for this level of derp.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-28/early-voting-revolution-pre-poll/11046984
@elderly mother and self have already signed-up for postal vote this week and await papers. lf we like this method, we will switch to `always-postal`, so fcuk my abc!
l was watching my abc24 and blib stooten is holding a team meating. Knot interested so l switched to my abc2. Same fcuking team meeting, same fcuking blib stooten. Now why the fcuk does my abc bother running the same shit on two channels. To double their expense?? Yaaaay fcuking digital.
new opinion poll shows voters are pretty unimpressed with the performances of Scott Morrison and Bill Shorten on the campaign trail so far. You can hardly blame them. The most interesting highlights to date have been a reporter(toolman!!) yelling at Mr Shorten. A YouGov Galaxy poll published in The Sunday Telegraph today shows 60 per cent of Australians aren`t pleased with Mr Shorten and 54 per cent aren`t gelling with Mr Morrison. While the Coalition`s hopes are improving, most voters are unimpressed with both leaders. Just 31 per cent were impressed by the Labor leader, while the Prime Minister fared only marginally better with a 38 per cent campaign approval rating.
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/federal-election-campaign-rolling-coverage-from-the-trail-on-sunday-april-28/news-story/62254e01c88c5f82ab6924d0d77a42c1
And why is fencing an “unusual sport” (at a private school) – certainly not a public school offering) …
tbagz Dem Poles gel with my own take on stuff … although I’d rate the buggers 50/50 … the LNP still have no polices tho’ … just plannings … and reviewings …
At this stage I wouldn’t be voting … I do think honesty and early release of ALP policies ain’t done ’em no favours … with the plebs …
l do think ” honesty and early release of”
Nah, disagree big time. Look mate, they failed to clean house after the knifing era and have decided to die the death of 1000 cuts. Take my family, mum used to vote alp, but changed to greenz decades ago, l usually seek an indy. Neither of us voted for kevin07, but once elected we both wanted to vote for kevin10, but instead team dishwater knifed him. So we both stuck with our `usual` vote. We are not `special`, the same thing would have played out in hundreds of households around the country. Then, compounding the problem, team dishwater put the chief `knifer` as the face of the team to continually remind all the knifed voters of getting knifed. lts just a total gift to the `tax-cut`, no policy of any worth zombies. Don`t forget, very few seats tend to change anyway.
Fencing is an unusul choice. It isn’t a team sport (which has all the benefits of team play)
It seems a little insular and certainly exclusive
https://www.ausfencing.org/
Yep, ya wrong again, ToM … no teams here … duh!
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Ahhh … that explains a lot, tbagz, no issue with the last three PM’s then?
BTW, how long is a grudge … ?
Yes, a guy who’s job was to try anf form consensus between first workers, and then workers and employers, is ‘insular’ ROFL
I note that ltdnews is still ‘adjusting’ their newspoll results
The Bookies seem to have ignored them.
Dan Tehan had a chat to ABC radio this morning, where he had a few things to say about Labor’s multi-billion childcare plan:
“I mean this is a fast track to a socialist, if not communist economy. It is unheard of,” he said.
“… When they say it is going to be free, taxpayers are paying for this.”
These dopey pricks will try anything … talk about shrill!
The Reds are coming! The Reds are coming!
Look under your bed, Danny bhoy … !
And BTW I’ve spent a lifetime paying taxes for things I disagree with but know are necessary … and things I don’t … a good idea would be to stop funding private schools (ie the only schools around here with their own private buses!) … the money saved would easily pay for free kindy for parents who need to put tucker on the table … and a roof over their heads …
Are Australian voters really as dumb as politicians think they are?
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The Bookies seem to have ignored them.
But will the punters? (Actually in the past the bookies have been better than the polls if memory serves)
How did I guess … was it something he said?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/thanks-for-your-concern-but-my-religion-is-not-in-need-of-protection-20180712-p4zr3t.html
So free kindy is socialist/communist … now I’m sure I read somewhere – “suffer the little children to come unto me” …
Utter, contradictory, hypocrisy …
no ” issue with the last three PM’s then?” . . . ” how long is a grudge?”
But that`s the continual pretense maintained by the duopoly `and` the legacy outlets (when a voter is subtracted from the deep dishwater red column, then the voter must be added to the deep zombie blue column, while ignoring all other options and circumstances) Even tho prime meddlers are a conga-line of duds.
Take a look at the vote compass crap my abc is peddling on telly. lt mostly pretends a `this`team `that`team choice for `political-consumers`, also known as voters. The last time political consumers bought a deep red prime meddler they were knifed and had no recourse. They are still `weary` of buying another one; just as an auto-consumer would be weary and reluctant to buy a new car from an auto-dealer that sold them a lemon, and had to be taken to court to get the car fixed/refunded etc (politics is just another product, and you need to measure the brand `grudge`, damage etc the SAME way)
round and round and round it goes ………..
anywhere but the river apparently
Barnaby Joyce’s department paid ‘tens of millions’ too much for water
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/barnaby-joyce-s-department-paid-tens-of-millions-too-much-for-water-20180321-p4z5dd.html
Did our pinkists just see clivez address to da press??? He called out blib stooten over lying about team dishwater trying to do pref-deals with clive and their public hypocrisy toward clive while backrooming. So clive went public supplying names and times, and clive will pref da zombies. @own-goal
Did clive just smoke blib stooten ?? All the effort of running off to FN-bananaland to imply adani possibilities then back to boltsvillage to pretend greenist credentials has been quite a juggling act for blib stooten. l think clive may have just eaten the FN-bananaland lunch blib stooten had worked so hard to prepare. ls the frontyard signage yellow??
Most Queenslanders think Palmer is a liar and a thief … with “$4000 million” apparently …
Palmer models himself on Trump … believe his shyte at you peril (and mine eventually) …
I notice the fish and chip twit still has her head down in the trenches …
Most bananalanders ” think ” barny is the worlds greatest retail politician. He bought $80bill of nonexistent water.
There are no good available outcomes from this election. It is all juvenile politics, shallow politicians and wanking journalists. And that’s just on the coalition side. The lefties and independent ratbags are worse!
It seems like a bad reality TV show gone horribly, horribly wrong. The longer this goes on the more suicides.
About the only bright spot is to watch the occasional President Donald J Trump rally. If only Clive was that brilliant!
before the coloured carton counter loses his shit
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2019/apr/29/federal-election-2019-coalition-morrison-shorten-labor-politics-live?page=with:block-5cc680598f08c89bd906a484#block-5cc680598f08c89bd906a484
Most bananalanders ” think ” barny is the worlds greatest retail politician.
Not sure about that … but someone should knock a hole in those fkn dams at Cubby!
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The lefties and independent ratbags are worse! ROFLMAO – I think that’s what you used emphasise a point … 🙂
If only Clive was that brilliant!
Blink, blink … brilliant? pheeeewwwww … It seems like a bad reality TV show gone horribly, horribly wrong. Yep!
We are slowly sinking to 51st spot!
Needs “full disclosure” TR …
BTW, the Clivey Chaos is already here … never went away … oh, it did once …
https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1488&bih=966&ei=wpvGXKOVL5P59QPc85_oBQ&q=clive+palmer+asleep+jpg&oq=clive+palmer+asleep+jpg&gs_l=img.12…2761.11925..13882…0.0..0.156.3391.0j23……0….1..gws-wiz-img…..0..0j0i24j0i10i24j0i30.6o8LXqfJbCE#imgrc=DgNIEXwY5mDdaM:
Just one example of “the best economic management” in the last six years …
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/australian-broadband-speeds-are-improving-but-not-compared-to-the-rest-of-the-world/news-story/4cac80e9b13d6484ea69c3aad9633b8c
It would be laughable if it wasn’t costing Australia so much in business, learning, medical, military, entertainment, speedy diplomacy, IT development, communication and international embarrassment!
Forgot to highlight the HUGE news.com.au furphy …
Just stop and think where the majority of Australians actually live … on the densely populated East Coast (NT has 250, 000 … Tasmania 500,000 … WA 2.5 million … that leaves most of us 21.5 million) …
Fkn ludicrous management and waste of money! The LNP should be fired for this alone! It will takes and billions to correct what they have done … now, let’s look at the Murray Darling … there are so many clusterfucks it becomes difficult to counter the shyte!
Yeah, l agree splatters, theRonald is the best `show` in Aust politics. l ust hope we can maintain a prime meddler worth him abusing (-:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/29/morrison-dodges-question-over-clive-palmers-unpaid-queensland-nickel-workers
ROFLMAO!
Labor still has not worked out blib stooten cannot be sold to knifed JG voters and knifed KR voters.
WeYou all have (y)our cross to bear! ROFLMAO! 🙂https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/28/question-mark-over-eligibility-of-at-least-19-clive-palmer-candidates
ROFLMAO!
Don’t laugh – Little Billy Two-Knives will be PM soon enough.
Look at the flock of pork landing at the airport splatters!
“Fkn ludicrous management and waste of money! The LNP should be fired for this alone! It will takes and billions to correct what they have done ”
At the moment slow speeds have nothing to do with the technology. High CVC fees mean Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speed. People are not even going for the highest speeds you can get with copper because of the cost. They are going for the cheaper slower speeds plans. Labors FTTP would be worse
Just google “cvc and NBN”
Just google “cvc and NBN”
You fkn Dick … it simply means there is not enough bandwidth … and that what FIBRE is supposed to improve …
Go and play tiddlywinks!
For the record
l`m just glad they could muster up an audience of 48.
Nope. High CVC fees means Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds. At the moment technology is not a problem.
I have seen it stated that the cvc problem would be even worse with fibre.
Just google “cvc and NBN”. Labor set up the NBN so that speed is related to how much bandwidth a Telco purchases. But because of the price people are going for cheaper slower speed plans
I see reports today that UFU leader Peter Marshall is paid over $400k a year. That seems like a good earner for a man of the people.
I recall going around the cvc merry go round a while back with nil.
rinse repeat
I bet he still reckons wireless will save us all. 😦
btw, Shorten should only agree to a debate at the npc. These other ones are a joke. He still wiped the floor with shouty though.
“I bet he still reckons wireless will save us all”
Where did I say that? But wireless is what people want. And I do not remember going on any cvc merry go round.
Fact is technology is not the problem at the moment. High CVC fees charged by NBNCo means Telcos like TPG, Optus, Telstra do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speed. People are not even going for the highest speeds u can get with copper because of the cost. I have FTTP and I get nowhere near 100 mbps which u can get with copper
Bewildering isn’t it?
I have FTTP and I get nowhere near 100 mbps which u can get with copper
1. Do you pay for 100mbps?
2. What do you pay for and what speed do you get?
3. Copper is ancient (an slow) tech … stop fooling yourself
(Note: I pay for 100mbps – HFC hybrid – and consistently get 94mbps)
From memory i get 42mbps with fibre. I cannot do the test now because i have gone over my monthly download limit. But that shows u Telcos can control speed. If you go over your limit they do not stop u using the internet they just slow down your speed to dialup.
People are not even going for the highest speeds you can get with copper because of the cost. Most people are going for the slower speed cheaper plans
May your local nodes drown regularly stoopid tunc.
recall going around the cvc merry go round a while back with nil.
And I’m already dizzy (again)
… over my monthly download limit* … People are not even going for the highest speeds you can get with copper because of the cost. Most people are going for the slower speed cheaper plans
It’s like a three year old telling you how to build an IKEA wardrobe … using a Lego instruction booklet!
Limit and slow? FMD! A $5 plan?
May your local nodes drown regularly stoopid tunc.
He claims FTTP????
Stupid? Why? If u really want fibre NBNCo do individual installs. Cost =$15800. But at the moment technology is not the problem. It is the high CVC fees charged by NBNCo meaning Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speed. With the much more expensive fibre network the CVC problem would be worse.
But there is a solution. Write off the NBN as a loss and add the debt onto the govt debt. Then CvC fees could be removed. NBNCo would then charge just enough to cover their costs
Its most likely an `off-cut` of fiber that replaces the telegraphWire, from node, to user. Drowned node, (or hit by car) will take-out both fiber and telegraphwire. The zombies added all the cuts and joints, and the `node` is pretty much a `joiner`box.
This is Weird, anybody understand the `point` of this site, please.
But at the moment technology is not the problem.
This is perhaps the dumbest thing you have ever said.
And you have said some absolute corkers
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2019/march/1551445200/michael-quigley/what-happened-broadband-australia
Tom R
What r u raving on about. I said the slow internet speeds that are mentioned in the media are not due to the technology. That is a fact. Because of high CVC fees charged by NBNCo Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speed. People are not even going for the highest speeds u can get with copper because of the cost.
And nobody knows what FTTP would cost or how long it would take to build. It may be in the long run it was a huge mistake for the Coalition to change Labors FTTP plan. But we really will not know for at least 10 years. One advantage of copper is that FTTN can be built much quicker giving NBNCo cash flow much sooner.
I know what you said nil
it was stupid
Why? At the moment technology is not the problem for slow speeds. That is a fact. In fact i have seen it stated that speeds would be glacial with fibre because the CVC fees would be much higher meaning Telcos would be purchasing even less bandwidth.
Now another question is whether the Coalition made a mistake changing Labors fibre policy. In the long run it may be a big mistake. But technology is not the reason for our current slow speeds. Most people are going for the slowest cheaper plans rather than for the faster more expensive plans
oh, you saw it stated did you nil?
Was this by the same people who said it’d faster, cheaper, sooner? ffs
Watchout dummy 30% of voters are voting early and so far its a landslide for blib stooten. lt doesn`t look like wireCo bullshit can save the zombies.
Coalition said NBN would be cheaper and built sooner using copper. I doubt they said it would be faster. How many brains do u need to work that out? Anybody who believes Quigley about cost needs help. FTTP requires and underground conduit. I suspect that is why i got fibre. I already had an underground conduit
Yes i saw it stated that speeds would be even slower with Labors FTTP
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/labors-nbn-triple-the-costs-and-glacial-speeds/news-story/6699c4a288dc2a402efda86cf93153d2
“Slow connections plaguing the National Broadband Network would have been even worse under Labor’s gold-plated scheme because the costly bandwidth charges that are causing the problem would have been up to three times higher.
The assessment comes from New Street Research’s Ian Martin, who added that if NBN Co had stuck with the former Labor government’s plan the likely losses to taxpayers over the scheme would have been “$50 billion to $60bn”, as opposed to an estimated $30bn under the Coalition’s approach.
Mr Martin, who advises institutional investors on telco stocks, said it was not possible to model how slow NBN connections would have been under Labor’s fibre-to-the-premises model, because they would have been so glacial and service costs so high that consumers would have rejected the scheme outright.
Under the original plan bandwidth charges would have to double or triple,” Mr Martin said. “It’s an impossible dream because the market just won’t bear the cost, it wouldn’t work.”
Guffaw! lts just fcukwit fodder from LimitedNews regurgitated from teabag-org and teh-ipa. They don`t even have the nads to tell you the cost of replacing those drowned nodes.
They don`t even have the nads to tell you the cost of replacing those drowned nodes.
For decades to come …
Also missing.
My heart burns for poor retirees who are able to retire at 61 with a boat (at least) and be able to live for ten years comfortably without having to dive into their super at all.
What was the point of Superannuation again? To provide an inheritance for the kids?
https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/the-fury-over-franking-credits/11064834
I presume employees in child care centres are paid an award rate.
So what exactly requires a wage subsidy to increase the rate? Can somone explain why those private sector employees are more deserving than other people that are paid an award rate.
“My heart burns for poor retirees who are able to retire at 61 with a boat (at least) and be able to live for ten years comfortably without having to dive into their super at all.””
In the unlikely event that the ALP even gets its changes through the Senate there are ways a retiree can continue to pay no tax and still receive tax refunds just by varying their investment mix. It’s relatively simple and yet again simply shows the ALP just cannot think things through.
This policy will not raise the $$$$ the ALP thinks it will
Having just returned from Europe after investing in a Carbon Credits Brokerage company I now welcome the downfall of these neanderthal climate changing deniers in the Coalition.
I am with you comrades bring on international carbon credit trading ASAP
Can somone(sic) explain … even if we did you wouldn’t understand it.
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I am with you comrades bring on international carbon credit trading ASAP
Welcome to the Dark Side … or is that the Red Side or the Green Side? 🙂
There is another advantage – no need to keep checking under your bed … 😉
This policy will not raise the $$$$ the ALP thinks it will
Don’t care … its a principle … no-one should get a tax return if they don’t pay tax … its not a tax return its a gift from taxpayers to the wealthy … and there are other investments …
I don’t get one from my super …
For once we agree blubbers, `if` blib stooten wins. l still reckon an expanded (with clivez, coreyz, katterz, paulinez) house of zombie will end up winning.
It’s entertaining the way the ALP dismisses the modelling of economist Brian Fisher, and the projected cost.
But the ALP won’t advise of it’s own modelling or cost.
That’s dodgy Bill for you
even if we did you wouldn’t understand it.
What TB means is – I don’t understand it, but it’s a great idea because the ALP said so!
“…………….no-one should get a tax return if they don’t pay tax ”
There are plenty of welfare recipients who pay negative net tax.
But the ALP won’t advise of it’s own modelling or cost.
As was explained, again, on 7.30 last night, it realistically cannot be.
which is just one of the reasons this latest modeling is bogus.
There are plenty of welfare recipients who pay negative net tax.
That’s not getting a tax return, that’s ……. social security.
Calling yourself ‘self funded, whilst living off welfare is just self delusion
Some lite reading for yomm 😉
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-25/childcare-workers-frustrated-over-low-wages/9575176
#ChangeTheRules
Some lite reading for yomm 😉
https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/brian-fisher-modelling-whats-the-story/
Walrus
Did you say that climate change statement tongue in cheek or have u turned to the dark side? If so just look at the company u are keeping. Almost everything lefties say is wrong
That`s all `pie` in sky teamcheerer. Do the maths, blib stooten has 66 seats and `needs` 10 to claim his dishwater govt. Which 10 seats?? All the teabumbkin and teabag seats strongly under threat, (yes the zombies will lose some) are so by indy`s and minors. Even the `indi`electorate looks like it will be successfully handed from mcgowan(indy) to another indy.
What TB means is – I don’t understand it, but it’s a great idea because the ALP said so!
There ya go again … speak for yourself (for a change) not guessing what other people might think …
but ” it`s a great idea because ” (the long held personal ideology) ” said so!”
Nah teebz, for once he`s correct-ish. You can always tell because folks then get agro, huffy, defensive, or go silent. Most folks like to think they make their own choices and think for self, until its pointed out they haven`t.
I see… so the ALP has a climate policy and has absolutely no idea of its cost or economic impact, other than… it’s not whathe says
And TB & Tom R support a wage subsidy in a specific industry, which currently meets its award obligations, because… well… just because!
And Tom R… they’re frustrated by low wages? They’re on the award, why are they entitled to a new boost courtesy of the taxpayer, when other award employees don’t get that taxpayer largesse??
And by the way… I’m off on my international surf safari for a couple of months, hope everyone enjoys the misery of whichever party wins!!
yomm, I think you will find I support a subsidy already given to a specific industry be made to go to the workers, not the corporations
The protest is the first since their union, United Voice, lost a five-year battle at the Fair Work Commission for a wage increase.
The FWC has proven to be conflicted beyond repair. It needs a boot put through it, like most things the lnp have bastardised during their tenure.
absolutely no idea of its cost or economic impact
It has been shown by multiple reports that their policy will have almost the same impact as the lnps
The costings though are impossible to ascertain.
Can you show the lnps costings?
From your link to justify child care subsidy…
The 25-year-old earns $49,000 per year — an amount, she says, that forces her to live with her sister.
She’s 25, earns about $1000 per week, shares a house with her sister… and tis is justification for a wage subsidy courtesy of taxpayers, including many that will earn a lot less than her!!
They’re on the award,
That screeches … “I’ve never been on an award … I’m so much better than that”
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Nah teebz, for once he`s correct-ish.
He’s needling, tbagz … does it all the time …
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Can you show the lnps costings?
Actually the cost of doing nothing (productive) … meetings and reviewings don’t count as productive …
It’s always easy to knock someone else’s idea … especially if you don’t have a viable alternative …
From your link to justify child care subsidy…
See what happens when you make (what has become) an essential service into a profit centre?
If child care was a government service there would be a nominal fee for all kids … oh, but that would be a communist plot!
I’ve noticed, ToM, is always happy to tell people that their wage is satisfactory or excessive for what they do … especially lower paid workers …
Enjoy your global holiday … watch out for sharks … and big fish with teeth wherever you enter the water too!
“”That’s not getting a tax return, that’s ……. social security.”
Well lets get rid of Family Tax Benefit A as it in many cases creates a negative tax effect
“Almost everything lefties say is wrong”
I know that. But I didn’t realise how much money there was to be made from Carbon Credits until i was invited to a meeting in Paris last month
“”… its not a tax return its a gift from taxpayers to the wealthy “”
Actually that statement is not correct since the wealthy (those on an average tax rate including medicare levy of over 30%) will still get to claim all their tax credits.
The policy only affects those on an average tax rate lower than 30%
including many that will earn a lot less than her!!
With the same level of qualification?
Who?
Well lets get rid of Family Tax Benefit A as it in many cases creates a negative tax effect
To take care of Australia’s future … and that’s a bad thing?
Don’t think they quite captured the smirk …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/02/wood-you-believe-its-the-pm-timber-portrait-has-scott-morrison-beaming
I still think it is quite a long shot for voters to believe that the team that last spent their time in power manufacturing an oh so special, special, special, superProfits tax that ultimately raised zero-ish revenue; will actually be competent enough and have the nads to raise the required revenue to deliver their promises. l tend to agree with blubbers that there will be so many `wide`open loop holes remaining open; that wealthy welfare cheques will not be skipped by any.
Walrus
Sounds like u have sold your soul for money. Don’t follow the lefties, everything they say is wrong
I don’t think $1000 a week at 25 and living in a share house is such hardship that it requires taxpayers to cough up.
It’s poor policy to take the taxes from someone that is paid an award rate of about $20 an hour and give someone that is paid already paid 30% more than then a taxpayer funded pay increase/subsidy.
“Sounds like u have sold your soul for money”
Not at all
I have no problem taking money off stupid people making stupid decisions to trade carbon permits
MISLEADING
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-30/fact-check-labors-dividend-imputation-policy/10626204
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I don’t think $1000 a week at 25 …
Not “I think” —- WHY?
What a wonderful place Mexico is …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/02/melbourne-couple-shocked-after-signing-for-parcel-that-contained-10m-in-ice
Had to look uo Hoppers Crossing! CHKL 🙂
I don’t think $1000 a week at 25 and living in a share house is such hardship that it requires taxpayers to cough up.
These are qualified workers, and your measurement of a decent wage for a decent days work is “I don’t think it’s a hardship” (as if you’d even know what that means)
(as if you’d even know what that means)
Can I add my earlier comment …
That screeches … “I’ve never been on an award … I’m so much better than that”
And then …
And by the way… I’m off on my international surf safari for a couple of months,
Gawd its hard … keep the plebs struggling with the kids … and your lot screech communism/socialism! BOO!
I keep wondering if yomm appeared recently on 7.30 with his yacht and taxpayer subsidised ‘self funding’?
Gold
The trouble with the childcare stuff blib stooten is spouting is that it is one of the things the govt pays 10K to biz for; to take work-4-dole `program` (or other program) to continue to fudge so-called `unemployment` numbers. l took my neighbor (on-dole) to library 6,7,8 weeks ago, he showed me the 10K-offer to biz once he logged-in. By doing that; in short; the govt is actively wrecking the ability for a `demand` to be created within childcare industry, just churn `dept-supplied` program slaves. Check it yourself if have any unemployed/ centerlink family or friends. l still think there is so much of the consumer base screwed down, even `fixing` childcare, it won`t produce any economic upside of significance, and still reckon there will be more `slumping` of most of the economy. Keep watching retail.
I cant fucking believe that the LNP the ALP and the Greens dont do better background checks on the the idiots they nominate.
We have an LNP gal ranting about muslim women and their genitalia and an ALP nominee joking about rape.
What sort of moron would not check up on their social media posts before allowing their nominations.
Especially after the citizenship debacle.
What the fuck does it take ?
Pathetic aint it. They`ve also been bleating about team clivez too.
No yacht for me, they’re for people that enjoy sea sickness!!
Just burn some carbon to get to a surf spot is my hobby!
What the fuck does it take ?
A National Socialist agenda … ?
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Just burn some carbon to get to a surf spot is my hobby!
Yep, no award wages shit for this lad!
I have a very good mate who has shares in a horse … nowt wrong with that … but during the conversation about the filly’s last run … a question sprang to mind …
Now I don’t know about other states but Queensland spends a fortune subsidising a multi-million dollar industry … including building and owning race tracks and training facilities for all forms of horse racing … why?
That thought progressed to football and cricket … the state government spend millions on stadiums and support for cricket, soccer, NRL, AFL and Union … why? They are multi-million dollar industries …
The AIS is subsidised by the Federal government to train/educate sports hopefuls year in year out … none have to pay any fees … even if they drop out … or end up earning millions … Uni students PAY
Is sport – even gambling sport, a national (expensive) obsession?
Sport used to be sport … now its a business … so why do taxpayers have to subsidise it?
We dropped the subsidy for the car industry and it was far less costly? And provided work for far more people!
But don`t stop there teebz. (yes, boltsvillage and jonestown DO stadium welfare too) Also lots of slot machines to hoover up truckloads of cash in so-called sports clubs(casinos) with loud claims of generous(minimal) returns to community. And have BOTH teams in pocket.
Luke Creasey seems nice…
https://www.lukecreasey.com.au/the-issues/
1. People at the AIS should pay HECS
2. Major sports are non profit (though growth oriented) .
3. Art, theatre, films also receive subsidies, let’s get rid of those ones too!
…just in the airport lounge getting ready to produce a few tons of carbon in pursuit of some meaningful leisure.
2. Major sports are non profit (though growth oriented) .
Up to $500,000 a year for players is not – non profit?* What planet do you wish you live on?
*In my world anyway!
“We dropped the subsidy for the car industry and it was far less costly? ”
No we did not. Who told u that? Subsidies are still available
https://www.business.gov.au/assistance/automotive-transformation-scheme
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The Automotive Transformation Scheme (ATS) commenced on 1 January 2011 and will run until 31 December 2020. It aims to encourage competitive investment, innovation and economic sustainability in the Australian automotive industry.
I know. lts wonderful. Subsidies for something that doesn`t exist! At least wireCo can handle all the electronic applications without too much buffering.
Up to $500,000 a year for players is not – non profit?
Year!! People in the medical profession get paid that too, abd we still hand out cash to the industry.
The film industry gets subsidies, and some actors are paid that.
What’s your point TB?
Year!! People in the medical profession get paid that too, abd we still hand out cash to the industry.
You’re comparing footballers and actors with the medical profession? And hospitals and clinics and paramedics* are an “industry”?
I have a granddaughter studying a paramedic/nursing double right now and you compare her with a cricketer? FFS!
What’s my point? Can you repair your car – mechanics with all their trade knowledge $50,000 a year is my fkn point!
What planet do you wish you live on?
Go back ’cause its ignorant people like you who are destroying mine!
I see… but you were whinging about how much foitballers get. I’m only pointing out that the government supports a range if high income industries.
* medical
* films
* manufacturing
In football, all the government does is assist in the building and maintenance of a public asset.
I see…
No, you don’t … I’d stop now …
Yes TB, the government invests in facilities that people use for various types of leisure and you object!
Yes TB, the government invests in facilities that people use for various types of leisure and you object!
There you go again – that’s not what I said – let me make it simple and repeat … “Queensland spends a fortune subsidising a multi-million dollar industry …”
Have you ever paid to go to a football match?
The subsidy you’re referring to is development of a public asset, that is used for a variety of purposes, including music and sport
Why isn’t it privatised = everything (more important) is?
including music and sport
Both multi million dollar industries …
* manufacturing
i know a few Holden workers who beg to disagree.
TR, my head has been bandaged so many times here … it doesn’t hurt anymore …
“Thick as a brick ” has brought a new meaning too … maybe we should say … sick as a surfer …
The Minister and I were the M1 to see aGold Coast client
a fewmany years ago and playing silly buggers with words and phrases (the stock in trade of instructional designers/technical writers) we had a bit of fun with … “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” … we came up with … “you can lead a person to thought but you can’t make them think”* (*copyright TB Queensland, 2005 – 2019)You can lead a goose to facts, but you can`t make it think.
(l`ve often said this over the years teebz) with `goose` interchanged with; lemming, jackass, clown, imbecile, idiot, fool, bozo, bunny, dodo and more.
tbagz … that’s so fkn crude … ToM is – if nothing else – is a person (and obviously of great esteem -somewhere … 🙂 )
somewhere
But where?
I’m in a fairly isolated surf spot – just to tick it off my list!! And it is certainly not tropical!!
Very picturesque though.
Unproductive as usual!
Leisure is very productive !!
…surf Tofino!
Do we still have any inHouse team swooners left for blib stooten?? Did anybody watch the team meeting (or-attend) on sunday?? l watched a decent chunk of it; the kevin07 and jooLiar buddy, buddy, playing nice was kinda sickening. l noticed blib said all the nice things, but it doesn`t overcome the distrust factor of knifing previous KR+JG voters. l really do think it is a crying shame the membership are soiling plib their team by running blib again without thought to the rest of the voting public, that still don`t seem to be buying blib stooten.
My word you do have a problem, tbagz … build a bridge
build a bridge
Some people are more whinger than builderTB 😉
build a bridge
Okay its done! Here`s ya bridge. lt goes from here to the long grass to make it easier for ya to fetch the sticks the zombies throw into the long grass. Sorry l asked ya something that was `too-hard`.
have a problem ????
He could?? l still reckon bandt, wilkie, mcgowan, oakshot, zali, phelps and ipswich will smash blib stooten.
(Sorry l asked ya something that was `too-hard`.
Dats otay …
“Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.”
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Speaking of “shady ad man” …… )
(Am l correct in believing you have bought ya ticket to the blib stooten show.)
“i know a few Holden workers who beg to disagree”
Telling lies again TomR. Beats me why u tell so many lies. When Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM the industry was dead. Coalition was handed a corpse
https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/gillard-seeks-ford-help-for-workers/news-story/3a0c3870e4ec48b4e81bb7b0340b25fc
PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has called on Ford Australia to chip in to an assistance package to help workers and communities affected by the company’s 2016 shutdown of car making.
Ford announced on Thursday it would shed 1200 workers and close its factories in Victoria in October 2016.
So fcuking what dummy. GM/holden and ford are `actually` different biz`s.
The ABC is facing “inevitable” job cuts and programming disruption if the Morrison government is returned to power, the national broadcaster’s new managing director has warned.
Diddums
https://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/abc-cuts-inevitable-if-coalition-government-returned-managing-director-warns-20190506-p51koc.html
Diddums????
So, explain this ToM?
And why didn’t Happy Clappy turn up to Q&A last night? Not his congregation?
BTW, I’ll remember “diddums” in the coming weeks … 🙂 Sweetie …
It’s turning into an Eggsellent campaign 🙂
Teabag
What is your point? TomR was trying to make out Holden workers are unemployed because of the Coalition but says nothing about the Ford workers. Ford announced they were closing when Gillard was PM. And this was when the auto maufacturers were getting all the money they wanted from the govt. Ford leaving meant the auto industry was dead and it died under labor.
And it died for the simple reason nobody was buying aussie made cars. They were either too expensive, bad quality or they made cars not suitable for Australia. it was not because of a lack of funding from the govt. If anyone is to blame it is management for making cars nobody wanted for whatever reason
It was just a yolk but she should have waited till she saw the whites of his eyes …
Just in case some missed ivi’s punctuation 😉
Someone doesn’t realise that a treasurer telling a company to piss off is not the same as trying to save a company.
Sad.
pay TV operator “ seen in (at best) a third of households ”
Gotta Link?? to that please teebz. The last numbers l saw (quite a while ago) was paytv was still stagnant in single digit(%) signups which churn 90%+ once the `period` was over.
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Seems there has been some egg-citement with slomo, and viewers finding egg-stra uses for poultry efficiency dividends! (-:
TomR
U R insane. Hockey never said that. And as if a multi-national company would up and leave Australia if they felt insulted. U r one deluded person. In fact deluded is wrong. Dishonest is more correct. When Ford annouced they were leaving when Gillard was PM the industry was dead. It died under Labor because nobody was buying aussie made cars.
Have u walked into a Harvey Norman store recently? What percentage of the toasters, washing machines, TV’s etc are made in Australia? In the 1970’s we made everything here.
hahahaha
The replies are priceless
Sad. Nah! Fucking dumb as usual!
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Gotta Link?? to that please teebz.
Lots @ Murdoch 30 million … easy peasy …
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In the 1970’s we made everything here.
What cock!
The replies are priceless
aren’t they! Especially like the pie vid and comment!
Bananby doen’t even know when he’s lying …
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/new-england-candidates-including-barnaby-joyce-grilled-in-live-pub-test-ahead-of-the-federal-election/news-story/ab03941344451eedee81417d3d4b81ff
My emphasis … bold and italics …
barnies own example should be enough to prevent his daughters being ‘promiscuous’
“In the 1970’s we made everything here.
What cock!”
Why? OK in the 1970’s we made most things here. My understanding is that we made almost everything here except high quality cameras. We are now what economics textbooks call a third world country. First world countries import raw materials and turn them into manufactured goods. Third world countries export raw materials and import manufactured goods.
WE MADE EVERYTHING
We Made Some things
now we don’t make anything, because manufacturers can’t work with governments that tell them to piss off!
(My understanding is….
Made in Japan)
Maiden Japan?
“now we don’t make anything, because manufacturers can’t work with governments that tell them to piss off!”
That story is wrong. It shows how deluded and dishonest you are. I suspect more dishonest than deluded. It was just announced that we will not be making nappies here anymore. Did they leave because they were told to rack off?
You invent fairy tales to sooth your dishonest conscience. Our car industry died under Rudd/Gillard because for whatever reason nobody was buying aussie made cars
Look at the economy model, right, top, of … ivi’s link
Tells it all … 😉
NEEEEEEEEL will understand it immediately!
“THE newly appointed head of General Motors international operations, Stefan Jacoby, has admitted it was he who pulled the trigger on Holden’s factory closures – and that no amount of government money was going to save them, even the so-called "blank cheque" offered by the Labor Government in the final days of the last Federal election.
Mr Jacoby also said the highly publicised outburst from Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time, calling on Holden to “come clean” with its decision, had no impact on the outcome – because the phone conference to decide Holden’s fate was happening at the same time.
“I proposed the decision and … the final approval came from the board,” Mr Jacoby told Australian media at the Detroit motor show.”
https://www.news.com.au/meet-the-executive-who-shut-holdens-factory-stefan-jacoby/news-story/51ddb0f3d6e977903faedef879896c5f
Hockey; `get the fcuk out or we`ll boot ya out`
Detroit; `okay we`ll go`
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l didn`t watch the `debates` the echo chambers keep bleating about. l already know they`re both duds.
So, this place is still here. Nice.
“In the unlikely event that the ALP even gets its changes through the Senate there are ways a retiree can continue to pay no tax and still receive tax refunds just by varying their investment mix.”
Hello Walrus, long time no speak. I’d love to hear more about this. Asking for a friend. 😉
https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/folau-shouldn-t-suffer-an-employment-penalty-for-views-shorten-says-20190508-p51lgf.html
Interesting… Shorten is sympathetic about Israel Folau not suffering loss of employment for his religious beliefs. Whereas Morrison seems to think the employer is within their rights!
Plenty of anti religious types here will probably think Folau should have his contract terminated. Siding with Morrison!
That’s quite amusing!
(And hello Tony!)
Hi Tony, welcome back, even if briefly
I’d love to hear more about this.
Yes, next law to be changed please.
I know there are a raft of these havens available to people with means, so, the more we know about them, the more we can shut them back down 😉
That’s quite amusing!
No it’s not. The worlds gone crazy when I agree more with morrison than I do with Shorten
Hello ToM and Tom R. Good to see you.
Looks like Labor is going to war with Murdoch. That should go well for them.
Hi ToSY
The most obvious strategy is listed investment trust (that dont pay tax at source unlike companies) either real estate or infrastrucure. However if your average tax rate is above 30% you dont need to do anything as you will still receive franking credits anyway.
The ALPs argument that this attack the super wealthy is bullshit and demonstrates they dont understand how franking credits work. By its very nature the policy can only affect those on average tax rates below 30%
Franking credits can be applied to untaxed income as is a distribution from a Unit Trust
2 examples of infrastructure are Transurban yielding 4.12 % on todays asx but if spare franking credits not used (which is your cash ATO refund) are applied the yield goes upto 5.9%. Sydney Airport yields 5% on the asx today but if spare credits become appled it becomes 7.1%
Hello Walrus. My friend is a self-funded retiree whose SMSF consists of mostly Australian equities paying fully franked dividends. Their fund is in retirement mode and is in a tax-free environment, as I understand it. How would the distributions from those infrastructure trusts be treated any differently under Labor’s proposed changes? Thank you in advance.😉
If their average tax rate is say 20% (note I’m talking average not marginal) and the franking credit is 30% currently they would receive the excess of 10% as a cash refund. So by purchasing untaxed unit trusts and the taxable distribution they provide they can then use the 5% rather than completely lose it under the ALP which artificially increases the unit trust yield.
So the credit from BHP lets say is then applied to say the untaxed Transurban income. ASX trusts do not pay company tax so generally all their distributions are non franked. But the excess BHP credit can be applied to the unit trust distribution.
The ALP policy does not affect those on average tax rates over 30%. It does not affect the wealthy only everyone under the 30%
Thanks Walrus. I think I understand. Such a strategy would involve having a balance of Equities and trusts, where the franking credits from the equities are applied against the taxable income of the trusts?
blockquote>Shorten defended his changes to franking credits, saying the tax concession had blown out to now be worth $6bn a year, which was not sustainable.
“It is not a refund, it’s a gift,” Shorten said. “It’s not illegal. It’s not immoral. It’s the law. But it’s not sustainable.”
Labor’s franking credit changes, which will raise $57bn over a decade, are being stridently opposed by the Coalition, while crossbench parties have pledged to block the reform in the Senate even if Labor forms government after the 18 May election.
But that’s not going to help this person whose income I think is below the taxable threshold. So in their case the trust distributions would not be taxed anyway?
It does not affect the wealthy only everyone under the 30%
Is that because they earn so much that they actually PAY TAX?
The ALPs argument that this attack the super wealthy is bullshit
Got a bridge for sale too?
Those that already receive five and six figure franking credit refund gifts will have the cash to `rejig` their investments to continue to collect the gifts. Those that get a few hundred bucks to a few thousand bucks will be caught out. (The whales will swim free. The sardines will be harpooned.) While meaning well, blib stooten will end up hurting the poorer end of the situation.
“Such a strategy would involve having a balance of Equities and trusts….”
Correct but also dont forget that some major ASX companies pay only partially franked dividends so an excess franking credit could be applied to their dividend as well
Tom R.that’s referring to franking credits not franking credit refunds. There is a difference you realise.
“But that’s not going to help this person whose income I think is below the taxable threshold. So in their case the trust distributions would not be taxed anyway?”
That’s true at the zero rate not alot can be done in terms of investment mix.
That’s because anyone below the tax threshold is regarded by the ALP as wealthy
Anyway I doubt it will get through the Senate but as per ALP’s record they will spend the money anyway.
Timing is everything, hey?
Wally and ToSY turn up when a Federal Election is on the doorstep … let’s start with an Aunt Sally question and get into it.
Hilarious …
That’s because anyone below the tax threshold is regarded by the ALP as wealthy
Chuckle … and …
Anyway I doubt it will get through the Senate but as per ALP’s record they will spend the money anyway.
But …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/09/voters-think-crossbench-should-pass-labor-policies-if-shorten-wins-election-poll-finds
So … did Malcolm Turnbull, place the million dollar bet for the ALP to win? 😉
record they will “ spend the money anyway ”
So govt/s collecting tax should merely hoard it in treasury to drool over??
“A new poll of 1,426 voters commissioned by the progressive think tank, the Australia Institute, finds 58% want Labor’s emissions target passed by the crossbench, including 48% of Coalition voters”
Lol.
“Wally and ToSY turn up when a Federal Election is on the doorstep … let’s start with an Aunt Sally question and get into it.”
Gee, you caught me red handed. Okay, I admit it. I’m a covert operative working for the Kremlin!
You really do live in Lala Land, TB. Nothing’s changed. SMH
Likewise, ToSY .. LOL back at ya …
Ahhh … political investigative reporter for the Sydney Morning Herald … LOL!
Few hundred years late but welcome …
But will the sheep start bleating?
“Hockey; `get the fcuk out or we`ll boot ya out`
Detroit; `okay we`ll go`’
U R a liar like all ALP supporters. Did u read the link? The phone call from Jacoby to head office was going on while Hockey was making his speech. What Hockey said had no effect on what happened
Only a FOOL would believe a large multi national company would up and leave for no reason. U lefties make up stories to sooth your conscience Worse after telling lies and destroying our manufacturing industry u blame anybody but yourselves for the lives u destroy.
If Shorten wins the next election this country deserves all the destruction the next ALP govt will bring
The interpretation and imagination of the committed barrackers is far removed from reality.
I`m lovin the spectacular OwnGoal from LimitedNews. By attacking his mother, blib stooten has finally gained popularity as a sympathetic character and Could be hammer thrown over the line by ruperts trolls.
That’s nice… the Greens man of the people candidate, Julian Burnside, has finally resigned from the men only Savage Club!! After 40 years of his membership of this most exclusive mens club, he said he was resinging after his efforts to modernise and increase diversity were unsuccessful!!
Really? It took him 40 years to realise ?? What a complete bulls**t artist! Peddling bulls**t like that – he should do well in the Greens!
Years ago l said trainy trainy had become a ponzi scheme,
`when l was a boy` disagreed,
https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/cash-cows/11084858
Pity the pope’s bulletin st peter’s out after three years! Doesn’t require reporting to police! And leaves the confessional out!
So what’s changed? Really?
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Years ago l said trainy trainy had become a ponzi scheme,
They all catch up eventually …
I’m helping a guy with his Masters (Project Management) right now … the uni is in UK/Switzerland, the quality of assignments are a joke … and eight 3,000 word assignments and a 15,000 word dissertation is about a quarter of a BBus … expensive tho’ …
Funniest quote I’ve heard all year
“We can deliver these bigger budget surpluses and the bigger investments of health and education while also assuming tax relief going forward,” Mr Bowen said.
That is hilarious…………………..Bigger budget surpluses ROFLMAO
The obsession with surpluses avoids/fogs the bigger issue of low wages, lack of disposable income, leading to reduced spending and a slowing economy …
No churn and no multiplier … no multiplier leads to stagnation and may lead to more dangerous stagflation …
Howard was handed a trashed budget in 1996 with unemployment at 8%. By cutting spending he was running surplus budgets within 12 months. No problems occurred. In fact it lead to the best economic numbers for a generation by 2007.
Not saying you`re wrong teebz, but DO YOU actually notice teabag-lite play into the `surplus-fog` just as often the teabags do?? Both teams are too willing and too often pushing the imbeciles delight of `debt` and surplus and deficit and the rest of the econobabble to frighten and appeal to the most ignorant. None of it is leadership. None of it provides vision for citizens or business.
tbagz, DO YOU actually read my comments … I know most here don’t … or at least don’t comprehend their meaning … in fact many make shit up about them … its fun … actually …
I DO notice the `team-fog` often means inHouse bloggers only think their comment applies to the `other-team` and are oblivious to the fact it applies equally to `their-team` as well. l DO notice that Legacy outlet staff pre-load questions to polly`s with lots of econobabble, triggering pollyWaffle answers chock full of econobabble that is utterly useless to viewers, so viewers hit their remote and change to footy or cricket.
Seems the “rolling mist” has dissipated … again? Weird …
https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/all-black-tj-perenara-speaks-out-against-taniela-tupous-comments-following-israel-folau-saga/news-story/276bf5d77618769f06a22833b0d4f6d7
Why has this shit become about religious freedom when some religious nutter decided to humiliate a whole range of people different to HIS BELIEFS!
Has the government cut $14,000,000,000 from public schools?
Misleading – says the ABC fact check
Labor’s claim is misleading — again.
Under the Coalition, public school funding has grown each year and is projected to continue that way over the forward estimates.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-12/federal-election-fact-check-coalition-cuts-public-school-funding/11084514
One of the first lies i was told by ALP supporters was that Howard introduced a new rule. Work one hr/week and you are employed so unemployment fell under Howard because he changed the rules. Nobody could ever tell me when Howard did this. Turns out it is not true. One hr/week is an international definition used in all OECD countries. It is a definition codified by the ILO (International Labour Organisation)
From page 9
Click to access 2007-1.pdf
“The one-hour criterion
For measuring the number of persons employed, employment is broadly defined in the labour force framework. The 13th ICLS Resolution stipulates that, for operational purposes, the notion of “some work” should be interpreted as work for at least one hour during the reference period. This means that engagement in an economic activity for as little as one hour is sufficient for a person to be classified as employed on the basis of the labour force framework. There are several inter-related reasons for the use of the one-hour criterion in the international definition of employment. One is to make this definition as broad as possible, in order to cover all types of employment that may exist in a given country, including short-time and part-time work, casual and temporary employment, stand-by work, employment in the informal sector and other types of informal employment, etc. Another reason is to ensure that at an aggregate level total labour inputs correspond to total production.”
Funniest quote I’ve heard all year:
“It is my vision for this country as your Prime Minister to keep the Promise of Australia to all Australians.”
G’day Stranger
please explain … Promise? what fkn Promise … the Land of Milk and Honey? Gawd’s Promise? The Promised Land?
Promise? Halleluja! Happy Clappy Clappy shyte?
NEEEEEEEEEL! It is a definition codified by the ILO (International Labour Organisation)
WE ALL KNOW!
This election is boring. Apart from the Green eggs and coconut bashing.
Also, TB, you can find out about the promise of Australia here.
Thanks SB …
Explains all from the “failed” marketing “exec” …
From SB’s link …
Where the bloody hell are the policies … SloMo … in committee, under review, being analysed, being considered … etc etc …
What a couple of wankers!
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/federal-election-2019-live-coverage-from-the-campaign-trail/live-coverage/30480538ed1c6860b889ce0a689564ae
Howard is like a rabid dog! Sickening man!
K
Ooops! Sickening thing!
I see TB, the bitterness continues
Howard makes a fair point, about what the ALP calls “the big end of town”
Most of those that will be hit by the taxation changes are middle class. Hardly the “big endof town”
So its not a new tax then?
Most of those that will be hit by the taxation changes are middle class. Hardly the “big endof town”
Your evidence?
I’ve got some but ’tis au contraire …
Your evidence?
Genuine self funded retirees are hardly “the big end if town”
Genuine self funded retirees are hardly “the big end if town”
Franking Credit changes is hardly the only policy on offer, in case you hadn’t been paying attention 😉
Genuine self funded retirees are hardly “the big end if town”
Not arguing that … but …
Most of those that will be hit by the taxation changes are middle class.
Your evidence?
Haha … so what relation is The Lying Rodent, ToM? I just read what he said about Bill Shorten … almost word for word what you wrote … you’ve always done “plagiarism” well … 🙂
Shorten’s “top end of town” are retired people. That’s who he is targeting
What a hero
You have evidence?
You do know what hyperbole means?
Somebody is making his non-point without evidence-links as usual. While blib stooten remains underwhelming, it is great that he frightens the fcuk out of teabags outside `and` inHouse, with great big scary scary `no tax cheques for self managed fund` welfare recipients with squillions in loot stashed away with accounting tricks.
ToM … what do you think about this … ?
But what`s ya point teebz. lt is common knowledge both team leaders are untrustworthy and afflicted with skyfairy. They both lead teams that have peddled trickle down rubishnomics that denies first year high school finance class. The current wreckage in country/world has been created and/or maintained by both teams. Neither team has any solution to anything. lf you don`t drink the koolaide.
You need to get out of the park more, tbagz … ToM does – apparently – I think he’s gone back to the surf tho’ …
Can you provide evidence of untrustworthy? oh the change of PM’s … forgot your obsession … carry on …
I’m just waiting for “evidence” from ToM
Seems it was Bill Shorten’s fault that SloMo didn’t answer a question about gays in hell yesterday … fkn bigot … just ask ToM!
As the population ages people must have certainty about their financial planning. Otherwise many won’t bother to provide for their retirement. They then default to the government pension.
The ALP could have grandfathered, or phased the changes but they’ve chosen to take the sledge hammer to retirement planning.
That’s the ALP for you, because if you try not to rely on the government, you’re “the top end of town”.
This is an interesting way to get the orientation of independents that align with your own political orientation.
But I voted a couple of weeks ago…
https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/hawke-backs-shorten-as-consensus-leader-in-new-open-letter-20190514-p51nbm.html
Well…. the vote guide was on that page somewhere…
As for Hawke’s endorsement of Shorten… many union officials were of an entitely different standard and ethic a generation ago.
Shorten’s “top end of town” are retired people. That’s who he is targeting
https://www.alp.org.au/policies/standing-up-for-pensioners/
yep, seems yer right. Is this the top end of town you are referring to?
https://www.alp.org.au/policies/labors-plan-for-making-multinationals-pay-their-fair-share/
https://www.alp.org.au/policies/labors-banking-fairness-fund/
https://www.alp.org.au/policies/reforming-negative-gearing-and-capital-gains-tax-arrangements/
Or are you unable to focus on more than one thing at a time?
Yep, Shorten and the ALP target fully self funded retirees in the same way he targets tax avoiding multinationals.
Shorten’s “top end of town” includes anyone that is outside the demographics of an ALP voter
Mind you… life coyld be worse… I’m on the first leg of my surf safari!
https://www.google.com/search?q=tofino&client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&prmd=minv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiezISrk5ziAhWCMH0KHZCkBVsQ_AUoAnoECBcQAg&biw=412&bih=612&dpr=2.63
Shorten’s “top end of town” includes anyone that is outside the demographics of an ALP voter
And just what is that?
Shorten and the ALP target fully self funded retirees in the same way he targets tax avoiding multinationals.
Labor are taking away Franking Credits from multi nationals?
Retired now are we …
As the population ages people must have certainty about their financial planning.
I agree … but after I retired you managed to elect a couple of fuckwits called Leaner Hockey and Leanherr Cormann … and I had to run around re-organising MY super … get used to it …
As for… giving handouts of other people’s hard earned tax to the top 20% … read on …
I am sure lots of low income or even unemployed people have some Telstra shares. They will be affected by labors policy
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
More LNP Bunkum!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/15/coalition-claims-house-prices-will-fall-under-labor-what-do-the-experts-say
Good to see TB still has absolutely no idea how the franking system works. I doubt he’d be able to work out what to put in the box of a tax return
Can you explain to us how the franking system is the same as labors banking fairness fund wally?
yomm doesn’t seem to be able to
Good to see Wally still misses the point …
There’s a box for your tax return? Last time I did a tax return was online … Wally must still use cheques to pay his bills …
Where do they keep this box? 🙂 🙂
Yes, the top end of town… people that don’t rely in government pensions for retirement.
Outside the prejudices of the ALP, they are known as “middle class”
people that don’t rely in government pensions for retirement.
seems ‘self funded’ retirees actually rely (lol) on a Government “pension” to survive (if you believe the stories from yachts)
Gee, ToM, your bias, prejudice and ignorance are really showing today …
So, let’s get this clear … anyone who receives an age pension has to be “working class”?
Anyone who is a self funded retiree … is “middle class” …
And anyone who wouldn’t give a shit is “upper class”
What about all those in between that fall through the cracks of your little “theory”?
Fkn “classes” – it’s 2019 in Australia! It’s not fkn 1919 in Europe …
Get those kids out’ owt’ primary school and down’t mines reet now, lad!
Yes, the top end of town… people that don’t rely in government pensions for retirement.
And had the LNP governmnets of past and p/p/present stuck with Keating’s original plan of raising super contributions there would be more at the “top end of town” – as you quantly call it … as it is many more have to rely on a pension …
BTW, the first Baby Boomers born in 1946 worked and paid taxes – including the promise of an age pension – until 1992 … that’s 46 years … take off 16 years (growing up) that’s 30 years first Baby Boomers reached pension age (65) in 2011 … just 19 years after Compulsory Superannuation began @ 3% …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-18/fact-check-was-super-designed-to-get-people-off-the-pension/6923582
Do some research instead of listening the dodgy fake electioneering from the Happy Clappy Churchgoers and Fryburger …
You can fool yer mates …
Oh, dear! If you can’t run a political party how can you run Australia …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/14/liberal-party-formally-warned-after-breaching-electoral-laws
But wait – there’s more …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/15/liberal-candidate-phillip-fusco-may-be-dual-us-citizen-labor-warns
How many “votes” do some people get?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/15/real-estate-agents-warn-tenants-against-labors-negative-gearing-policy
“And had the LNP governmnets of past and p/p/present stuck with Keating’s original plan of raising super contributions there would be more at the “top end of town”
It is not working. You are allowed to own your own home without it affecting your pension apparently. So when retiring people cash in their Super and buy homes they cannot normally afford and then go on the pension.
For those having a sook over Labor’s proposed franking credits reforms, you may be interested to know that 53% of those affected have superannuation balances of some $2.5million and above while an additional 18% have balances between $1.5million and $2.5million.
But please, tell me once again how these so-called “self-funded retirees” need a tax-payer funded handout to supplement their retirement lifestyle..*
*Keep in mind that someone with a super fund balance of $2.5m would be comfortably earning an annual tax-free income of around $130,000…
I’m all ears…
I’m agog!*
For the uneducated surfers amongst us …
* adjective: agog
very eager or curious to hear or see something.
THIS IS BLACKMAIL! A criminal offence! The workers are entitled to thier pay under “no duress” … this abhorrent dickwit needs to be in jail!
Instead the LNP are preferencing his votes …
Former Queensland Nickel workers are being told to sign a document gagging them from making any disparaging comments about Clive Palmer in exchange for receiving their outstanding entitlements.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/15/clive-palmer-gag-clause-qn-workers-told-to-make-no-disparaging-comments-if-they-want-entitlement
I’m calling this in from the back deck of my yacht.
https://images.app.goo.gl/M1YCK9DoC7CW919r6
I piss on your franking credits.
Hmmm. I think I’m in moderation. Mhave been the picture of my yacht what done it.
I have just been blocked from Twitter. They want my telephone number to be unblocked. I do not want to give Twitter my telephone number. Can anybody help me out? I want to post on Twitter but i do not want to give them my telephone number
“I do not want to give Twitter my telephone number.”
Try giving them your bank account number and date of birth. I’ve heard that works.
LOL!
Wow. I has a second email addres so i rejoined Twitter. Made about 10 posts and was blocked within 5 minutes of joining and all my posts were deleted. Twitter seems to be controlled by lefties.
Same thing again. They want my telephone number to continue posting
People should be able to make retirement plans, and political parties should ensure there is an orderly, phased process of change. But the ALP just uses a sledge hammer.
lol, stopping a tax rort is a ‘sledge hammer’ lol
The yacht market will crumble
Is telling the automotive industry to piss off, and selling our submarine jobs out from under the feet of workers a ‘sledge hammer’?
My yacht could require some minor repairs at some stage.
My yacht could require some minor repairs at some stage.
Did you take wally out for a cruise?
“But please, tell me once again how these so-called “self-funded retirees” need a tax-payer funded handout to supplement their retirement lifestyle..*..””
I dont know where you got your figures from but yet again you display complete ignorance of the Franking Credit System. People with large balances benefit from the Franking System (as introduced by Keating) but in so far as cash refunds are concerned they ARE NOT AFFECTED.
How many times do I have to point out that the ALP policy on Franking Credits only affects those on average tax rates of 30% or lower.
But just keep on talking crap you seem to find some amusement in it
People should be able to make retirement plans, and political parties should ensure there is an orderly, phased process of change.
You do know that Hockey/Cormann introduced deeming of super – accounts based pensions in, 2015?
Did you read any of my comments? ‘Course not …
Wally, see above … (May 15, 2019 10:09 am) but I’ll repeat it for the slow of comprehension …
Think I trust the ANU analysis rather than a conflicted Liberal CPA …
Wally – no good hiding behind, ivi’s gravatar … 🙂
Wally, if you like charts (managers do not sure about bean counters) …
https://theconversation.com/at-last-an-answer-to-the-5-billion-question-who-gets-the-imputation-cheques-labor-will-take-away-117075
Its so simple when you start to look with an unbiased expectation … even if it may impact you … (eg me and mine) …
https://news.sportsbet.com.au/novelty/sportsbet-pays-out-early-on-labor-to-win-election/
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics
Seems wally is behind the times, again 😉
TomR
https://www.news.com.au/meet-the-executive-who-shut-holdens-factory-stefan-jacoby/news-story/51ddb0f3d6e977903faedef879896c5f
“Mr Jacoby also said the highly publicised outburst from Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time, calling on Holden to “come clean” with its decision, had no impact on the outcome – because the phone conference to decide Holden’s fate was happening at the same time.
“I proposed the decision and … the final approval came from the board,” Mr Jacoby told Australian media at the Detroit motor show.”
so, it was …………. coincidence 😉
right
tell, me, did GMH still want to sell cars in the country?
yea, sure they’d start a war with the government
have you given twitter your number yet? 😉
“Think I trust the ANU analysis rather than a conflicted Liberal CPA …”
Of course you would.
But if it only affects all those wealthy types why dont they simply put a threshold in place where a certain amount of franking refunds is capped.
Answer because their analysis is Bullshit
“”We understand also that this decision has an impact on the entire automotive industry in Australia,” said Mr Jacoby.
“Local production, even if would be a pure assembly (operation) doesn’t make any sense.
“Our business is driven by scale of economics, of productivity, of an efficient supplier industry … optimised logistics … Australia is just too small in these scales.”
Mr Jacoby said “I really reject … to say we demand something from the government” because the decision to close the factories would have happened any way.
“The decision was not made on any (government) incentives or any reduction of incentives”, said Mr Jacoby.He said the Federal Government’s proposed Free Trade Agreements had an impact on the Holden shutdown.
“If you just see these rationales, (manufacturing in) Australia doesn’t make sense when you put this in a global context,” said Mr Jacoby.”
But if it only affects all those wealthy types why dont they simply put a threshold in place where a certain amount of franking refunds is capped.
Simple answer is
It’ll exempt charities, non-profits, pensioners and part pensioners and other Australians on government allowances, including future pensioners. Self-managed super funds that had pensioner members at the time Labor announced its policy will also be spared.
Anybody with telstra shares will be affected. Lots of Mum and dad investors bought telstra shares and get a few hundred dollars extra when they put in their tax return.
But i really wonder what ALP supporters would say if it was a Coalition policy? My experience is that the answer given by labor supporters to any question depends on which political party brings in the new policy.
Answer because their analysis is Bullshit
Could you provide your analysis source, please?
Back on the pension/Superannuation topic.
My understanding is that you can own your own home without it affecting your pension no matter how much it is worth.
So people are cashing in their Super, buying homes they cannot afford and then go on a round the world trip is any money is left and then go on the pension. So Labors great idea is not working
Exactly NoS
The couples pension per annum is $32,386
A couple with a portfolio of share worth say $647,712 with a return of 5% including the franking credit would receive net dividends during the year of $22,670. If they then claim their franking credits they would receive $9,718 to match the couple on the pension $32,388
Under the ALP they are worse off by $9,718.
So now they have to live on $22,670.
So liquidate the shares and spend it then go on the pension.
But these idiots dont understand that. They keep bleating about franking credits going to the wealthy which wont change as the wealthy will be in a tax bracket above 30% so they pay tax anyway and get their franking credits.
Its all about Class Warfare with this lot.
They dont get the fact that Poor people employ fucking no one
Exactly NoS
I think I can pinpoint exactly where you went wrong
“”I think I can pinpoint exactly where you went wrong””
😆 😆 😆
Crikey has released all their election coverage articles from behind the paywall, so it’s all free to read..
There you go Walrus, I know you’ll be thrilled…
https://www.crikey.com.au/
The couples pension per annum is $32,386
Wrong … full pension for a couple $36,302 pa
So liquidate the shares and spend it then go on the pension … $647,712
Wrong … keep the shares and get a part pension around $260 per fortnight each over $13,000 pa … (or any other investment … preferably superannuation – better pension $290)
Its all about Class Warfare with this lot.
True … you are talking about the Liberal/national “coalition” of course …
They dont get the fact that Poor people employ fucking no one
WTF does that even mean? Poor people don’t drive cars either according to Leaner Hockey … duh!
Answer because their analysis is Bullshit
Could you provide your analysis source, please?
Obviously you don’t have one and you obviously aren’t in touch with super/age pension structures …
Is that true? I would think that anybody with $647,000 worth of shares would not be able to get the pension. I think u can have $250,000 in cash and/or shares before your pension is affected
Is that true? I would think that anybody with $647,000 worth of shares would not be able to get the pension.
Did you read my fkn comment? FMD! whewww! I need a bandage …
See how BS gets around … annoys the shit out of me …
For the really slow of comprehension! (Read understanding)
“””” Wrong … keep the shares and get a part pension around $260 per fortnight each over $13,000 pa … (or any other investment … preferably superannuation – better pension $290) “””””
NEEEEEEEL! Find a calculator … on the interwebby thingy!
Yes i read your comment. i find it hard to believe that anybody with $647,000 in shares and/or cash who owns their own home would still be able to get a pension.
I base my statement on the fact that 80=90% of things ALP supporters say is wrong
If the Libs had any chance, they can’t win now. Bob Hawke’s passing will have saturation coverage. People will remember him with affection and Labor will benefit at the ballot box.
I base my statement on the fact that 80=90% of things ALP supporters say is wrong
Don’t take my word for it … find a calculator …
Tb why do you not give me a link?
Yes Tosy I agree
Thank God their are no children in Australia living in poverty
But perhaps the Hawke policy of inclusion contrasts with Class Warfare
TB you are as usual placing people on the pension when they are happily independent
You seriously are an idiot
Bill Shorten: Bob Hawke was s friend of mine.
Everybody else: You, sir, are no Bob Hawke.
There’s an eight page wraparound cover devoted to Hawke in tomorrow’s Daily Telegraph. The Liberals are fucked!
What did Bob hawke do? I cannot think of anything
Actually i can. He sided with Ansett and used the military to destroy the unions or something like that. Ansett no longer exists
Sorry tinfoil`osy, the ghost of bob hawke won`t be hammer throwing blib stooten over the line. 30% of us have already voted (yes,me+mum). Team katter has already cut a deal to join/back team teabag. ln tassie team dishwater look set to lose two seats to team teabag. The teabumpkins and teabags may be being molested elsewhere, mostly by indys/others, not blib stooten. ln two seats the greenz are the serious challenge, not blib stooten.
The echo chambers that are so certain blib stooten will win, are the same echo chambers that were certain about hillary! (-:
You, sir, are no Bob Hawke.
Hilarious and so true!
I’m an idiot?
TB you are as usual placing people on the pension when they are happily independent
You seriously are an idiot
“These” people are getting a taxpayer handout … that’s not “independent” …
I’m, the idiot?
People will remember him with affection and Labor will benefit at the ballot box.
The libs were already faarked tosy
Of course, this will be their excuse, not their 12th century policies
‘Cause its really easy to find yourself …
https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/services/centrelink/age-pension/eligibility/assets-test/assets#assetstestlimits
A couple – homeowners – can have $387,500, non-homeowners $594,500
After that, the pension is reduced $3 per $1000 fortnight (age pension is sent every fortnight)
http://guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/4/2/3
So the fortnightly pension of $1396 per couple is reduced by $30 if you have $10,000 over the limit above.
Enjoy …
NEEEEEEL!
$647,000 – $387,000 = $260,000
260 x $3 = $780
Full pension couple with home = $1396.00 pf – $780 = $616 pf = $16,016 pa per couple
Note: Other assets will affect this figure including car, bank A/C, yachts and beach-houses etc …
Shimples …
Thanks
And a couple can have $853,000 cash/shares before they lose the pension. But for a lot of people they will only want to have $387,500 in the bank because they will lose the full pension if they go over that.
So some people will be tempted to cash in their Super, buy a more expensive home and have money in the bank under $387,500 and get the full pension. So keatings idea of replacing the pension with Super is not really working. If retirees lose their franking credits that will be even more incentive to cash in Super and buy a nicer home.
That is what i might do when i retire. Why have lots of money in the bank and lose the pension when u could use that money to buy a nicer home?
So keatings idea of replacing the pension
That was not Keatings “plan” … and even if it was, the Liberal Party has thwarted all attempts to raise the percentage of compulsory superannuation …
People will always “play the system” … that’s why they are so upset about losing the franking credit tax rebate … WHEN THEY DON’T PAY TAX!
My home is fine, has been for 35 years …
Some people have a need to buy yachts and expensive cars and caravans and additional houses but unfortunately they are assets and included in the assets test … poor them … hey?
I thought it was keatings plan for Super to replace the pension. And the fact that people will always play the system is why ALP policies fail. Labor assumes people are honest.
But why not? If you have $500,000 in Super that will affect your pension. So cash it in and buy a home $500,000 more expensive than you could afford and then go on the pension. Your link says a couple who own their home can have $387,000 in cash/shares and still get a full pension
So what’s your answer … ?
Remember these are people that have contributed to Australia for a lifetime in a variety of ways and for different lengths of time (ie I started full-time work at 14) … there is a few age pension alternatives around … eg
> A Universal Income that all adults get – no strings and you can build on that for the future …
> The Kiwi approach – everyone who turns 65 gets a full pension – no questions asked
> The Nordic System https://norden.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:968720/FULLTEXT01.pdf
> UK, Canada or USA https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/age-pensions-around-the-world/5388102
> The Australian Age Pension/Super System …
Let us know what you think in a couple of weeks … 🙂