Skip to content
Advertisements

It’s On: Election 2019!

April 11, 2019

smirk

Advertisements
416 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2019 6:01 pm

    YES PLEASE, SIR!

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2019 10:29 pm

    I used to admire Julian Assange. But then he delivered the presidency to Trump, so now I think he’s a f***wit

    Good on Ecuador for tossing him out.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2019 3:55 pm

    I’ve never liked Assange … puts soldiers and intelligence officers’ lives at risk and provides our enemies with strategic information … GT Bay sounds good …

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2019 4:39 pm

    Just in case you missed it … (apologies, at first I thought you were ignoring it, then realised you wouldn’t do that) 🙂

    ToM

    I went back to your original supposition … Take the annual taxpayer subisdy and divide it by the number of cars manufactured.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Australia

    Take the lowest number of vehicles manufactured – 167,538 2015

    Being generous @ $200,000,000 (its actually closer to $100,000,000)

    You do the numbers …

    So you’re happy with taxpayers subsidising submarines to the tune of $50 billion over four years?

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2019 5:10 pm

    No idea how submarines are procured by the government TB.

    So, even given the figures you’ve posted, how much were you willing to cough up for a car subsidy?

    Australia used to manufacture over 50% of vehicles sold here. At the time of it’s demise I think it was about 20%. People just didn’t want those cars, despite the subsidy.

  6. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2019 6:11 pm

    how much were you willing to cough up for a car subsidy?

    More than millionaires claim on accountants

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 12, 2019 9:21 pm

    Tom of Melbourne

    By the end of Labors term in 2013 locally made cars had crashed to only 10% of the market. Take away fleet car sales eg taxis, local govt etc, nobody was buying aussie made cars. No wonder they left.

    There should be an investigation why that happened because the automakers were getting billions in subsidies

  8. Drink`it`Down`Teabag permalink
    April 13, 2019 12:48 am

    used to ” admire Julian Assange. But then he delivered the presidency to Trump” @crap, the yank duopoly did, particularly the dems

    puts ” soldiers and intelligence officers lives at risk” @ZERO

    and ” provides our enemies with strategic information” @doubtful

    @great to see everybody is reaching across the isle and guzzling the yank koolade and not letting pesky facts get in the way.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2019 4:17 pm

    ToM, let’s start at the very beginning …

    Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2019 6:01 pm

    Sure, we would all prefer to maintain all industries, but really, is a subsidy of $10,000+ per car good use of our taxes?

    When does it stop, at $20,000 per car?

    Because eventually motor vehicle manufacturing here was always unlikely to be sustainable for the long term

    Let’s now do some sums …

    “”””””Take the lowest number of vehicles manufactured – 167,538 – 2015

    Being generous @ $200,000,000 (its actually closer to $100,000,000)””””””

    So, $200,000,000 ÷ 167,538 vehicles

    Calculate on my trusty solar powered calculator …

    Mmmmmm … $1,193.76 each vehicle

    Now bearing in mind that the $200 million was over four years … lets divide $1200 by 4 =

    Wow $300 per vehicle … not $10,000 …

    Another Liberal economic management balls up! And still being perpetuated …

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2019 4:42 pm

    Australia used to manufacture over 50% of vehicles sold here. At the time of it’s demise I think it was about 20%. People just didn’t want those cars, despite the subsidy.

    And yet in 2018 Ford was No 5 and Holden No 6 in sales … as usual Toyota was No 1 and Nissan No 8 …

    https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/australian-car-market-car-sales-statistics-and-figures-70982

    And while I agree with the statement that GM Holden in particular was not manufacturing what Australians wanted (in fact I wrote the same in more than one comment on this blog and elsewhere) … the furphy of subsidies being the issue still perpetuated … it was the marketing and sales side that dropped the ball … not production … and the subsidies kept over 50,000 people in work and spending and paying taxes … the government lost more revenue than it thought it had saved! FFS!

    $50 billion subsidies on 12 submarines will keep 4,000 people employed …

    Oh bugger that’s in France …

    Just 2,800 people will be employed here in good old Oz … and that’s over 10 years …

    While 50,000 people lose their jobs …

    Dudded again with that stealthy Liberal economic management skill set …

    Now, everyone light your cigars … and smirk …

  11. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2019 4:47 pm

    https://www.business.gov.au/Assistance/Automotive-Transformation-Scheme

    “The ATS has two stages as follows:
    Stage 1 – capped assistance of $1.5 billion from 2011 to 2015 and
    Stage 2 – capped assistance of $1 billion from 2016 to 2020.”

    $1.5 B from 2011-2015 is $375M/year

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2019 4:59 pm

    By the end of Labors term in 2013 locally made cars had crashed to only 10% of the market.

    Evidence?

    In fact under the LNP, PM trifecta, vehicle manufacturing dropped to ZERO!

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2019 5:11 pm

    https://www.caradvice.com.au/269528/end-of-australian-made-cars-what-happened-and-what-it-means/

    “Australian-made vehicles overall totalled nearly 250,000 in 2005 but had more than halved by 2013 (118,510).”

    There were 1.1M cars sold in 2013. And only 118K of those were made in Australia. Locally made car sales crashed under labor. When Ford announce they were leaving when Gillard was PM the industry was dead

  14. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2019 6:49 pm

    Just 2,800 people will be employed here in good old Oz … and that’s over 10 years …

    I wouldn’t even bank on them being here. The subs have no minimum Aussie component. Sold down the river on that one too.

    Not that we could support that sort of industry once they booted the cars out.

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2019 7:10 pm

    TomR

    Telling lies helps nobody. Ford was not booted out. They announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM. That was it. The industry was dead

    Calling humans like you evil is an understatement. TomR you have no ethics, morals or a conscience. telling lies is your natural state

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2019 8:54 pm

    Calling humans like you evil is an understatement.

    I always knew you were the walking dead …

  17. Tri`Colour`Teabag permalink
    April 13, 2019 11:37 pm

    have “ no minimum Aussie component. Sold down the river on that one too.” @correct

    Not ” that we could support that sort of industry once they booted the cars out.” @agree, assembling `imported components` is Low-end and not the same level of bang-for-bucks as high-end, fully made here items.

    subsidies ” on 12 submarines will keep 4,000 people employed .. Oh bugger that`s in France” @everything l`ve seen, once the canoe building is up and running, it will provide Le-frogs with 9000 to 13000 jobs, not junkjobs either, full time, well paid jobs. Generating zero tax receipts for clowntown. @own.goal @-l can`t see blib stooten being able to reverse this either.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2019 11:56 am

    The Victorian government’s attack ads on federal funding for hospitals and schools will be referred to the anti-corruption watchdog.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/vic-govt-anti-canberra-ads-draws-oppn-ire

    I think it is disgraceful that the Vic government is using taxpayer dollars for attack advertising in the federal election campaign

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2019 1:50 pm

    I think it is disgraceful

    Have you seen the advertisement?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/16/tony-abbott-says-he-would-be-willing-to-resume-leadership-if-drafted-in

    ROFLMAO!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/australia-accused-of-siphoning-millions-in-timor-leste-oil-revenue

    It was always about the OIL never about freeing ET from Indonesian rule!

    Economic managers alright – try thieving bastards …

  20. April 16, 2019 4:03 pm

    I think it’s very generous of TAbbott to offer himself up as a new PM contender. I think in the interests of transparency though, the decent thing would be to challenge sooner rather than later. By the end of the week would be ok with me.

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2019 4:25 pm

    Yes, I saw it on TV!! That’s when I decided it was disgraceful!

    And Tony for opposition leader!! Great, that’s a party going places!!

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2019 8:27 pm

    We’re now in pre-election caretaker mode TB.

    But the ALP is using a state government to circumvent that convention

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2019 8:36 pm

    But the ALP is using a state government to circumvent that convention

    How disgraceful!

    So this is OK then?

    As for political campaign adverts LNP – $137,000,000 of TAXPAYER money – since the beginning of the year?

    Fucking rules … we should publish the Pub Test Rules … but then if you vote for the LNP you only visit pubs at election time … hey?

    Luckily for the LNP Neeeel seems to emulate the majority (for the time being) of Australian voters … ’tis like surviving the Walking Dead …

    https://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.s-nbcnews.com%2Fj%2Fnewscms%2F2017_41%2F2187676%2F171012-phone-crowds-paris-njs-601p_d92bb74d3b997379f38aa038131918d8.fit-760w.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fthink%2Ftech%2Ftech-addiction-more-problem-people-realize-ncna810246&docid=9mbKHvG22XMVvM&tbnid=QyPFpNk90R6PpM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwib1Oa_tdThAhVFeH0KHWFFBjMQMwhQKAUwBQ..i&w=760&h=458&hl=en&bih=966&biw=1488&q=mobile%20telephone%20crowds&ved=0ahUKEwib1Oa_tdThAhVFeH0KHWFFBjMQMwhQKAUwBQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2019 9:45 pm

    Economic money managers my arse …

    https://www.afr.com/news/politics/national/morrison-s-plan-requires-40b-cut-20190415-p51e6l

  25. Knotta`Diff`Rants`Teabag permalink
    April 17, 2019 9:15 am

    How will front yard signage differentiate the teams on this. As slomo instantly promised macron le-frog big taxpayer funded donations to rebuild incinerated house of skyfairy, blib stooten immediately went me-too, me-too. The vatican has more than enough to build and rebuild all the houses their fluttering skyfairy could ever need. But it looks like both teams are prepared to piss away some of our treasury on offshore skyfairy dwelling. @fcuk.em.both

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 17, 2019 9:52 am

    TB, try googling “caretaker mode”

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2019 10:04 am

    ToM, stop trying to play the school teacher … I know what caretaker mode is … the issue is about the wasted TAXPAYER coinage … these boofheads think they are royalty – they could be they are just as much wasted space … and where did the phrase “political class” come from … since when did politicians ever have “class” …

    tbagz … ’cause all our pollies are dog botherers … and don’t forget the close relationship we have with the French shipbuilding community … I considering barbed wire all around my property … to keep the “believers” out …

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 17, 2019 10:08 am

    I’m not arguing about excessive advertising by governments. ALL governments do it.

    The difference here is that a state ALP government is spending taxpayer money on political advertising during an election campaign.

    Do you have anything to say about that TB?

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2019 10:26 am

    Some interesting reading here … Domelli from the Prime Preacher’s Pentecostal Podium is quite amusing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/17/secular-lobby-advocates-equality-as-religious-leaders-highlight-election-issues

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do you have anything to say about that TB?

    I haven’t seen the advert … and have only your opinion that it is “political” … does it promote the Federal Caretaker Government or Opposition or simply provide factual differentiation between policies affecting Mexico?

    Shouldn’t you let “the anti-corruption watchdog” decide? 🙂

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2019 10:33 am

    A Liberal candidate in Adelaide invited 10,000 voters to a small café for an election forum, but forgot to tell the business about it.

    Shaun Osborn is running in the seat of Adelaide and distributed flyers across his electorate asking people to come for a coffee and a chat tomorrow at Pane e Latte.

    The Broadview café had no clue until its owner Matteo Giordano caught wind on social media

    “I was very surprised, because no one consulted me,” Mr Giordano told ABC News.

    Couldn’t organise SFA!

    (Still any advertising I guess)

  31. Ware`lz`Meye`Teabag permalink
    April 17, 2019 10:38 am

    Me either. l`m pretty sure each state can decide what their own interests are and lobby them. Highly doubtful anti corruption watchdog is needed, most likely you know who can`t tell the difference whether state treasury, state team or other interest group paid for them anyway, wouldn`t notice when the teabags have done the same either.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2019 11:33 pm

    Joshy were innocent I tells yer!

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2019 7:40 pm

    A hundred thousand? Chicken feed – contempt of court should be at least jail time AND a fine – 3 months minimum … law is law … want to play Sharia law fuck of to where you came and stop fucking my country up!

  34. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2019 6:39 pm

    You would hope that this is the nail in a very corrupt coffin

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2019 2:54 pm

    Here on the coast, long weekend don’t have the same appeal these days.
    I can’t get my table at the cafe and the surf is crowded.

  36. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2019 3:57 pm

    If we could just make it legal to pay people the same (minimum) rate any day of the year regardless, your troubles would be cured.

    Although, to me, that’s simply another reason to restore the penalty rates 😉

  37. Know`Collusion`Teabags permalink
    April 21, 2019 11:01 am

    Here`s the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel: The whole point of the Mueller Investigation was to see if a conspiracy with Russia existed to affect the 2016 election. Dems like Adam Schiff promised otherwise, but it ended without a single American charged for colluding with Russia. ; Why? Because there was no collusion.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/23/no-collusion-after-all/?noredirect=on

    @happy chocolate egg time teabags (-:

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2019 1:46 pm

    And yet there was evidence of obstruction of justice … that maybe led to a lot of bending the truth with regard to collusion?

    Once ya start telling porkies ya gotta keep on tellin’ porkies … ’til someone kills the pig!

    Amazes me still that politicians, directors and senior mangers just don’t understand the simple concept of telling the truth … ’cause eventually the truth will tell …

    chocolate is not good for you … especially milk chocolate …

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2019 1:46 pm

    Is it easter?

  40. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabags permalink
    April 21, 2019 2:36 pm

    Russians weren`t waiting for Robert Mueller`s report with quite the same excitement as Americans. Russian state media`s coverage of Donald Trump`s campaign and presidency has vacillated between breathless adoration, mockery and outrage, but one thing has been consistent: The idea of Russia electing and controlling an American president has always been deemed absurd. Most references to the Mueller inquiry and the Trump-Russia story in state media are preceded by a qualifier: “the so-called Russia investigation,” as the prominent TV host Dmitry Kiselyov puts it. It`s not just the state media that has rejected the idea that Mr. Trump colluded with Russia. Even liberals and opponents of President Vladimir Putin have been deeply skeptical, pointing out that Russia`s ruling circles are barely competent enough to prop themselves up, let alone manipulate a superpower.

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2019 4:15 pm

    Amazes me still that politicians, directors and senior mangers just don’t understand the simple concept of telling the truth … ’

    As well as union officials and just about every other occupation.

  42. Warez`Mie`Teabag permalink
    April 22, 2019 3:11 am

    You know who doesn`t comprehend ; Leadership needs to come from the top. @chortle

  43. R`wee`Learning`Nyet`Teabags permalink
    April 22, 2019 6:48 am

    Volodymr Zelensky, a popular comedian initially brushed off by Ukraine`s political elite as a novice, won the nation`s presidential election in a landslide vote Sunday. Zelensky, 41, earned more than 70% of the votes, according to exit polls, and his supporters expressed hopes the victory would usher in a new generation of leaders committed to weeding out oligarchs and political corruption.

    Zelensky was running against incumbent President Petro Poroshenko, a billionaire chocolate tycoon(snip!)

    Many Zelensky supporters said they were voting for him not because they backed whatever largely unstated plans he might have for running the post-Soviet nation of 44 million, but because they sought to reject Poroshenko`s entanglement in Ukraine`s corrupted political elite.(snip!)

    https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-ukraine-elections-20190421-story.html

    Poroshenko, 53, campaigned as a wartime president who brought economic stability to the country despite the ongoing threat of Russian attacks. But he failed to convince voters he had done enough to combat the country`s endemic corruption. The president received just 25% of the vote, according to exit polls, representing a humiliating defeat at the hands of a political newcomer. Poroshenko conceded shortly after the exit numbers came out Sunday evening.

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2019 8:38 am

    Yep… them Catlicks cause so many problems…

    Hundreds killed, 450 injured as explosions rock Catholic churches during Easter mass

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/scores-hurt-in-sri-lanka-easter-church-bombings-20190421-p51fyn.html

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2019 10:26 am

    It has been widely stated that the Christchurch terrorism was enabled by anti immigration /Muslim comments and attitudes.

    I wonder whether that is true of the overt anti catlick comments, leading to the slaughter of a couple of hundred…

  46. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2019 10:49 am

    I wonder whether that is true of the overt anti catlick comments

    Or the fact that the doctrine is heavily influenced and controlled by pedophiles?

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2019 11:39 am

    Exactly the type of sentiment that may give comfort to extremists that think it’s ok to slaughter hundreds of people that mustbe pedophile sympathisers.

    You know, that’s what catlicks are

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2019 11:51 am

    I wonder whether that is true of the overt anti catlick comments, leading to the slaughter of a couple of hundred…

    Given that the murderers were religious extremists? (Sri Lanka’s dominant religion is Buddhism – 70% of the population … christians (were they all catholic?) number about 1.5% …

    I wonder if organised religions have caused more deaths, destruction, terror and cruelty than any other factor in human existence … religions ALL religions are about power and control … nothing else …

    Still that wasn’t your covert intent, ToM, was it, don’t let the truth get in the way of a snarky comment? I wonder too …

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2019 11:57 am

    Remember that you’ve supported the sense of collective blame for catlicks ?

    You know, when you said- if you’re a member of the club, you have to share responsibility

    I wonder whether that type of sentiment enables extremists ?

  50. Wears`Mie`Teabag permalink
    April 22, 2019 2:12 pm

    I see our inHouse catlick pedofile defender is fluttering on behalf of his skyfairy again. That`s mighty white of you. Too bad you you haven`t worked out that skyfairy extremists are as bad as whitepower extremists.

  51. ivi permalink
    April 22, 2019 2:19 pm

    (I wonder whether that type of sentiment enables extremists ?

    It’s complicated.

    ————————-

    Askin’ for a friend.

    ————————-

    ….deemed absurd….

    Trump Tower, Moscow: “not memorable“!)

  52. Keep`Fishing`Teabag permalink
    April 22, 2019 3:00 pm

    (everybody at rolling stone had fishing poles yet nobody hooked the clownhaired cod) (-:

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2019 4:44 pm

    1. Remember that you’ve supported the sense of collective blame for catlicks ?

    No, you said that, not me … I don’t “support” any “collective” … never have – never will … I’ve joined one club in my life – BRMA and will not renew my membership this year … ’cause its run by old fart wankers …

    And I certainly don’t support violence nor encourage it.

    2. You know, when you said- if you’re a member of the club, you have to share responsibility

    Or leave it or change it …

    3. I wonder whether that type of sentiment enables extremists ?

    I have no idea … does it?

    I wonder where you are going with this? And why?

    Just a point here – I answer to no one … no club, collective, you and especially blame trips … so get off the arrogant guilt trip …

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2019 5:44 pm

    No, that was your comment TB, and if I could be bothered , I’d find it.

    But the point is that anti immigration/Muslim/right comments are blamed for enabling the terrorist in Christchurch and I’m asking why anti catlick comments haven’t enabled this terrorist act.

    And TB, you reserve your most vitrolic comments for catlicks, rather than all religions

  55. Tom R permalink
    April 22, 2019 9:12 pm

    I see barny has just won the train crash award for the 21st Century.

    All other applicants need not apply

    https://radio.abc.net.au/programitem/pgM7rge83G?play=true

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2019 10:04 pm

    And TB, you reserve your most vitrolic comments for catlicks, rather than all religions

    You say they’re vitriolic – a few days ago its was ridicule … as I said then, I criticise the catholic church because of its hypocrisy and the fact that it dominates Australian politics like no other (not Sri Lanka) …

    Your overt comments are actually nothing more than personal vindictiveness towards me.

    And that demonstrates a catholic trait I’ve noticed over the years …

    Freedom of speech works both ways … not just for religion …

    Challenge my comments but don’t snidely insinuate that I am somehow responsible for the deaths and injuries to innocent people by a bunch of religious/political nutters … blowing up three churches and two hotels – that really is despicable.

    Never thought you’d stoop so low … disappointing …

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2019 10:15 pm

    As I’ve said, I’m not a catlick or even religious, but i try not to ridicule the sincerely held spiritual beliefs of people. Whereas you’re entirely willing to ridicule catlicjs in particular TB.

    There has been plenty of comments about how anti Muslim/ immigration comments “enabled” terrorism in Christchurch. I’m asking whether anti catlick comments have also “enabled” the latet terrorism.

    You’ll note that I didn’t specify your comments did this TB, but I have previously said your sentiments represent bigotry.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2019 9:41 am

    LOL! Another example of the LNP thinking people are dumb and gullible.

    Toxic alright and it stinks to high heaven!

    A host of government MPs fighting to hold on to their seats have erased the Liberals’ name and logo from campaign material, sparking Labor claims that the party’s brand is “toxic”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/22/liberal-mps-erase-partys-name-and-logo-from-election-campaign-material

  59. Inhale`Deeply`Teabag permalink
    April 23, 2019 10:03 am

    As the Coalition struggles to lift its standing among voters in the lead-up to next month’s poll, MPs across the country appear to be relying on their personal standing to counter any backlash against the Liberals’ brand.

    l am not a teabag .. l am not a catlick ..

  60. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2019 11:42 am

    l am not a teabag .. l am not a catlick ..

    Null?

    Our msm cheersquad are getting pretty desperate.

    Good

  61. Know`Change`Teabag permalink
    April 23, 2019 12:14 pm

    Of course the Legacy outlets are full of crap teamcheerer.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2019/guide/higg/

    Look at all the noise they are making about safe zombies seats at risk. That link is higgins, the retiring odwyer critters seat. lts been blue for 40 years, l reckon there is fcuk all chance of it changing. Same with joshs seat nearby, another 40 year blue seat.

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2019 12:28 pm

    An Australian prime minister would be forced from office if they commited just a fraction of the questionable acts US President Donald Trump was accused of in the Mueller report, according to former prime minister Kevin Rudd.

    Rudd is correct. And Trump is a complete arsehole as are the mindless f***wits that support him.

  63. E`MC2`Teabag permalink
    April 23, 2019 12:32 pm

    Hey genius, italic quoting doesn`t mean much without a link. @justsayin

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2019 1:09 pm

    Hey fuckwit, ever hear of google?

  65. Keep`Snorting`Teabag permalink
    April 23, 2019 1:10 pm

    Via tbs limitednews ; Morrison hit back at the people who had mocked him in an extraordinary spray. “There was another one, another group, who was likening my praise in my own church on the weekend to some sort of Hitler salute,” @yes, that`s what l thougt too ; meta dropped the photo link above at April 22, 2019 2:19 pm.

    He(slomo) faced awkward questions on another subject though ; specifically, the fact that Clive Palmer`s incessant TV ads and billboards seem to be working. A Newspoll of four marginal seats out today shows a surge in support for Mr Palmer`s United Australia Party. The UAP recorded a stunning primary vote of 14 per cent in the Queensland seat Herbert, where its candidate is former State of Origin player Greg Dowling.

    @there must be plenty of `blo` in herbert. l`m sure dowling was one of the nrl gang of snorters busted in southport a few years ago. @yaaay.team

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2019 2:32 pm

    And Trump is a complete arsehole as are the mindless f***wits that support him.

    All of a sudden I’m thinking about shifting my support to Trump … have no idea why … 🙂

  67. Enemy`of`the`People`Teabag permalink
    April 23, 2019 3:52 pm

    wordpress..com ” has chosen the 12 newsrooms that will help shape Newspack, the core business platform for small and medium-sized news organizations. Newspack is a project of WordPress..com and its parent” https://newspack.blog/ @looks like the Legacy outlets will shed more viewers and it will be all twitters fault!

    There is no doubt theRonald `show` will be spectacular in 2020 (and featuring favorite guests `lock her up`, build the wall and drain the swamp), but l`m expecting the zelensky `show` fresh from the ukraine to top the ratings.

  68. Show`Me`The`Money`Teabag permalink
    April 23, 2019 5:05 pm

    There was initial speculation that billionaire donors were contributing to Notre Dame to receive a generous tax break from the state. Typically, the French government allows corporations a 60 percent tax deduction on donations made in the realm of culture.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/billionaires-raced-to-pledge-money-to-rebuild-notre-dame-then-came-the-backlash/2019/04/18/7133f9a2-617c-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html?noredirect=on

    “Billionaires should pay taxes,” tweeted economist Julia Cage, “not give when they feel like it, benefiting from enormous tax breaks.”

    (snip!!)the cascade of cash that materialized overnight to save the cathedral has raised eyebrows in France, still in the throes of a crippling protest over rising social inequality and whose leader is regularly decried as the “president of the rich.

  69. Tom R permalink
    April 23, 2019 5:46 pm

    With all the lies being spread about death taxes, here’s trip down memory lane.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2019 6:20 pm

    So if its not Labor! Labor! Labor! Labor!

    Its Lies! Lies! Lies! Lies! Lies! Lies!

    See a pattern?*

    Seems ISIS are claiming responsibility for the Sri Lankan murders …

    *Panic! Panic! Panic! Panic! Panic! Attack! Attack! Attack! Attack!

    Even on backwater blogs it seems … get rid of the dangerous commenters … LOL!

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2019 7:19 pm

    Why do the left disdain volunteers? This example is particularly poor taste, just a day after 2 volunteer lifesavers died trying to rescue a tourist, GetUp releases an advert putting shit on Abbott via him being a volunteer lifesaver.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/federal-election-2019-live-tuesday-april-23/live-coverage/82165f0ba712455266a78bb5b1a0cbd7

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2019 8:32 pm

    Why do the left disdain volunteers?

    Your “belief” system is really in overdrive …

    THE LEFT don’t … SOMEONE(s) in GetUp have cocked up … its is an atrocious ad and in extremely poor taste (even tho I suspect it was scripted long before the tragic deaths of a father and son)* … the timing of its release is awful …

    Drawing extremely long bows like this only shows you’re panicking … anyway, I thought you couldn’t spread the blame to the whole club?

    Make yer fkn mind up …

    *Contrary to popular belief these ads are not created overnight (or over a couple of weeks) … even the time slots are planned/booked weeks ahead …

  73. E`MC2`Teabag permalink
    April 23, 2019 8:55 pm

    Let me guess teamcheerer ; blib stooten is saying `there will be no death tax under a govt l lead` (-:

    ____

    Did everybody see reportland tonight ; cracker story on wireCo ; the area with fiber to user works perfectly ; everywhere else, folks aint getting what they pay for, but problems.

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2019 9:58 am

    https://www.katherinetimes.com.au/story/6085299/labor-wants-to-fast-track-nt-fracking-too/

    Well this is a dilemma … I am absolutely opposed to any fracking – anywhere … wonder who the local independents are …

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 24, 2019 3:28 pm

    Why do the left disdain volunteers?

    Tony Abbott’s problem is that he exhibits signs of basic human decency – for example by being a volunteer fire-fighter and lifesaver. However, exhibiting decency to a leftist is like holding a cross to a vampire. They froth and scream to destroy the hated thing.

    Leftists believe that volunteers are an impediment to state hegemony. Drongo Dan Andrews smashed volunteer fire-fighters to empower his mongrel union mates. People coming together to help each other strengthens communities.

    Imagine if people come to realize that they can get by with less interference from the government! Hell, some people might escape the learned helplessness foisted on them by the welfare state. And then what? People might start standing up to the fascist enforcers of the new puritism – the Human Rights Commissars and the Gaystapo.

    As to the particular ad in question, Getupthemselves! is the perfect place for self-regarding virtue-signaling socialists – a cashed-up private company owned by a cabal of wealthy wankers trying to buy power and influence to reshape the world in their own misshapen image. Hold a mirror up to them and they’d see … nothing, fucking vampires that they are: sucking the life-blood of decency out of society and replacing it with the politics of grievance and victimhood.

  76. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2019 4:00 pm

    “Lefties” don’t hate volunteers. They hate bottom feeding pollies sucking off the public teet and using volunteer organisations to further their own agenda

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2019 4:34 pm

    TR, I think you meant …

    “Lefties” don’t hate volunteers. They hate bottom feeding pollies sucking off the public teet and using volunteer organisations to further their own agenda

    Oh, wait …

    Paranoia is ever present … shrill panic and fantasy … definitely a best seller!

  78. ivi permalink
    April 24, 2019 4:41 pm

    (Make yer fkn mind up …

    Yes. Poor, misunderstood, underappreciated Tony.

    See how he suffers* for his exemplary service to God, Queen, Country, and Community!

    I* blame the petunia oil; and that leather-jacketed turncoat.)

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2019 5:57 pm

    Just arrived in my inbox …

    Sarah was in the fertilized egg business. She had several hundred young pullets and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.
    She kept records and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.
    This took a lot of time, so she bought some tiny bells and attached them to her roosters.

    Each bell had a different tone, so she could tell from a distance which rooster was performing. Now, she could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

    Sarah’s favourite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen but, this morning she noticed old Butch’s bell hadn’t rung at all! When she went to investigate, she saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover.

    To Sarah’s amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn’t ring. He’d sneak up on a pullet, do his job, and walk on to the next one.

    Sarah was so proud of old Butch, she entered him in a show and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

    The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the “No Bell Peace Prize” they also awarded him the “Pulletsurprise” as well.

    Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the unsuspecting populace and screwing them when they weren’t paying attention?
    Vote carefully in the next election. You can’t always hear the bells.

    If you don’t send this on, you’re chicken ….. no yolk.

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2019 6:04 pm

    Yes. Poor, misunderstood, underappreciated Tony.

    That’s a bit cheeky, ivi … double entendre?

    Which Tony are we talking about? 🙂

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2019 6:09 pm

    Even the organization representing volunteer lifesavers has condemned the ad.

    GetUp are up themselves.

    By the way, I joined because I like being on the mailing list.

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2019 6:22 pm

    Even the organization representing volunteer lifesavers has condemned the ad.

    GetUp are up themselves.

    I agree!

    By the way, I joined because I like being on the mailing list.

    But I hope you are on the Young Liberals website … ’cause I am …

    And they are up themselves.

    I’m also on the the Liberals and Labor mailing lists …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On another issue I actually witnessed (heard mostly) a police break-in and arrest on my morning walk … ya know to the “stay on the floor!” from the bashing on the door* … stuck around in case the police needed a hand … the neighbors played on their mobiles … astounding Walking Dead ….

    *swearing that would have left ToM breathless and reb giggling!

  83. Tom R permalink
    April 24, 2019 6:22 pm

    The man with A face like a mass extinction 😆

    Thanks ivi 😉

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2019 6:30 pm

    Chuckle!

  85. Cry`Me`A`River`Teabag permalink
    April 24, 2019 7:15 pm

    The ad l saw was lifeguard tony sitting on the beach. Somebody runs up and says `help tony, somebody is drowning`. Tony replies `the science on that isn`t in yet` and takes a bite out of his onion.

    You really have to have your head planted deeply up your own arse to not enjoy that ad. (even if the science isn`t in yet)

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2019 8:53 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/24/brendan-nelson-denies-conflict-of-interest-after-passing-on-fees-from-arms-firm-to-war-memorial

    GRRRRRRRR!

    What fkn hypocrisy … 3,000 veterans on our streets!

    The AWM has drawn criticism for accepting funding from weapons manufacturers, including Thales, which is a sponsor and supporting partner of the institution. The Medical Association for Prevention of War told a Senate inquiry last year such sponsorship was “contemptible” and pointed out the “stark” irony of an institution commemorating the horrors of war accepting money from companies that profit from conflict.

    Nelson has been a staunch defender of the sponsorship arrangements, saying arms companies had a corporate responsibility to help explain “what is being done in the name of our country”.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 25, 2019 12:26 pm

    10 meter waves around here!! I think I’ll remain dry.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/freak-waves-up-to-10-metres-to-hit-victoria-s-west-coast-on-friday-20190424-p51gyn.html

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 25, 2019 1:09 pm

    I see Bill Shorten’s sport at the hugely expensive catlick school – Xavier College- was sabre fencing.

    Was that Star Wars inspired? It’s an unusual choice, and an exclusive choice at an exclusive school.

    Is fencing provided at the local public high school? Only the chiicken wire type.

  89. War`Fawning`Teabag permalink
    April 25, 2019 3:35 pm

    Yes its really closing the circle isn`t it. Weapon makers fund corrupt weak pollies that stick us into disasters we have no business being in. Pollies make lots of hot air and appearances beside war fawning memory stones. WeaponsCorp then gets branding rights to war fawning memory stones for small fee, no doubt tax deductible before offshoring profits. All while ignoring the folks with military grade injury. @Turds

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    April 25, 2019 4:51 pm

    Shorten was raised Catholic, but converted to Anglicanism before his second marriage – as well as it being his wife’s religion, he “had come to disagree with the [Catholic] Church on a number of issues”

    Just another godbotherer …

  91. Its`a`Yawn`Teabag permalink
    April 25, 2019 5:21 pm

    He can bother dog all he wants. lt won`t do him any good. l can`t wait for this shit election to be over. The pre poll can`t open soon enough for me.

  92. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    April 25, 2019 6:08 pm

    Is the frontyard signage up to scratch this year!

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    April 26, 2019 9:23 am

    No-one’s asked (perhaps its a sign? – couldn’t help it!)… I’d have to think about it tho’ …

  94. EnemA`of`the`People`Teabag permalink
    April 26, 2019 11:47 am

    l don`t have any indy`s to back this time round, only 4-options. 1-greenz ; 2-clivez ; 3-teabag ; 4-dishwater. l saw the local teabag some years ago, fcuking hopeless, but somehow team dishwater managed to find a bigger dud, so l`ve switched my arse end vote sequence from usual, as l don`t like the dishwater dud blib stooten is trying to shove down my throat. (saw it live last week) At least we have a `clivez` to frighten the zombies with.

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    April 26, 2019 6:07 pm

    At least we have a `clivez` to frighten the zombies with.

    DON’T this prick still owes workers MILLIONS of $$$$$ … and the bastard has just spent over $30,000,000 … a donkey vote would have more value for the nation … he’s also facing criminal charges … every business he’s “owned” has failed … this wanker is worse, stupider and more egotistic than Trump … and they both deserve the same …

    The only thing Palmer is uniting is his arse cheeks!

  96. Flush`Em`All`Teabag permalink
    April 27, 2019 4:59 am

    I know all that teebz. Unfortunately l`m in a deep teabag blue electorate and won`t change. This election l just get to stick my hand in the main sewer and try and select the firmest turd.

  97. Feelin`Green`Teabag permalink
    April 27, 2019 12:23 pm

    more than 30 firefighters were called to a plant at Broadmeadows where a 15 square metres pile of recycling rubbish was alight.

    “An adjoining factory full of old mattresses was threatened by the fire,” the MFB said in a statement, adding that the fire gave off large plumes of black smoke.

    It took 30 minutes to bring under control and a nearby wall was damaged but no one was injured.

    The fires follow a blaze at a factory containing toxic chemicals at West Footscray, which burned for days and sent an acrid smoke plume over parts of the city, forcing the temporary closure of nearby schools and businesses.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic-car-parts-fire-near-toxic-blaze-033108637–spt.html

    @guffaw, it looks like boltsvillage has found a way of dealing with recyclables since china stopped importing them. Let`s hope that toxic smoked didn`t float into moonee fcuking ponds or onto blib stooten

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2019 12:48 pm

    Labor locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013. The only answer i want is how many boat people will labor and their supporters like TB of Queensland lock up next time?

  99. Kutt`Da`Why`Errs`Teabag permalink
    April 27, 2019 1:14 pm

    What a fcuking imbecile?? You actually believe blib stooten will win?? Keep squirting dummy!!

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2019 3:56 pm

    You actually believe blib stooten will win??

    Mmmmm that’s a problem actually … if the the drones fear their hive is really under attack the dirtier they’ll get … as far as I can see the polls are actually closing up in LNP favour …

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2019 3:59 pm

    er, what uranium mine? WTF!

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/27/uranium-miner-coaxed-government-to-water-down-extinction-safeguards

    Approved just before the election!

  102. Know`Counting`Teabag permalink
    April 27, 2019 5:34 pm

    as I ” can see the polls are”

    The legacy outlets like to play up that blib stooten will win, to build hope for the pinkist fanbase and scare the teabag fanbase, as it suits and satisfies both psychological profiles. lt will continue to work as long as viewers are not distracted with the last 70 preferred `leader` poles favoring blib stooten.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2019 6:08 pm

    Just got two emails – one from the LNP … one from the ALP …

    One described its policies for women … equal representation, equal pay, violence against women, fairer retirement incomes for women, women’s reproductive health and 50% female representation in parliament …

    The other described Bill Shorten and his presentation of more taxes on superannuation, housing tax, emmissions policy, higher incomes tax ….

    Kill Bill is alive and well … let’s hope it gets a terminal disease soon …

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2019 6:09 pm

    lt will continue to work as long as viewers are not distracted with the last 70 preferred `leader` poles favoring blib stooten.

    er? Wrong, sunshine …

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2019 6:54 pm

    CentreLink goes after cheats all the time … BUT … it works both ways … we are SFRs with some pension and our own super (before you start – my taxes from 1963 to 1992 were based on a pension HIGHER than taxes now and in 1992 we were self employed! The year compulsory super was introduced)

    Here’s the rub … in late 2011 I bought a brand new Hyundai Santa Fe – Red Book $44,000 … CentreLink review assets and income in March and September each year … what they don’t tell you is that YOU have to inform them that the value of your vehicle has decreased … my car is seven years old and they are still using the purchase value as an asset – it is now worth about $18,000! That’s translates to $36 (for a couple) a fortnight … $976 pa …

    I call CentreLink a rip off!

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2019 9:26 pm

    Kill Bill is alive and well …

    You sound desperate TB

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2019 10:14 pm

    You sound desperate TB

    Just telling it like it is … BOO!

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2019 10:21 pm

    You’re very sensitive TB.

    I think the ALP uses the “shady ad man” lable about Morrison at every opportunity, but you only notice criticism of Shorten

  109. Knot`Black`Teabag permalink
    April 28, 2019 6:27 am

    ROFL “ only notice criticism of ” . . . “ sensitive

    l see potKettle is providing the comedy again (-:

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2019 8:22 am

    You’re very sensitive TB.

    Why thank you, ToM … you can be a sweetie too sometimes … 🙂

  111. Tom R permalink
    April 28, 2019 10:45 am

    It’s an unusual choice, and an exclusive choice at an exclusive school.

    he’s a pussy right!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bruce+dickinson+fencing

  112. Derp`Derp`Derp`Derp`Derp`Teabag permalink
    April 28, 2019 10:54 am

    This HeadLine “ If you vote early, it may cost you more than an election sausage ” is just braindead FakeNews from my Legacy outlet abc. 1.The `on-page` headline is totally different. 2.The `news-value` to viewers is fcuking zero. l strongly believe my abc does NOT need to compete rigorously with LimitedNews for this level of derp.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-28/early-voting-revolution-pre-poll/11046984

    @elderly mother and self have already signed-up for postal vote this week and await papers. lf we like this method, we will switch to `always-postal`, so fcuk my abc!

  113. What`the`fcuk`Teabag permalink
    April 28, 2019 12:31 pm

    l was watching my abc24 and blib stooten is holding a team meating. Knot interested so l switched to my abc2. Same fcuking team meeting, same fcuking blib stooten. Now why the fcuk does my abc bother running the same shit on two channels. To double their expense?? Yaaaay fcuking digital.

  114. Dem`Poles`Teabag permalink
    April 28, 2019 2:42 pm

    new opinion poll shows voters are pretty unimpressed with the performances of Scott Morrison and Bill Shorten on the campaign trail so far. You can hardly blame them. The most interesting highlights to date have been a reporter(toolman!!) yelling at Mr Shorten. A YouGov Galaxy poll published in The Sunday Telegraph today shows 60 per cent of Australians aren`t pleased with Mr Shorten and 54 per cent aren`t gelling with Mr Morrison. While the Coalition`s hopes are improving, most voters are unimpressed with both leaders. Just 31 per cent were impressed by the Labor leader, while the Prime Minister fared only marginally better with a 38 per cent campaign approval rating.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/federal-election-campaign-rolling-coverage-from-the-trail-on-sunday-april-28/news-story/62254e01c88c5f82ab6924d0d77a42c1

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2019 6:44 pm

    And why is fencing an “unusual sport” (at a private school) – certainly not a public school offering) …

    tbagz Dem Poles gel with my own take on stuff … although I’d rate the buggers 50/50 … the LNP still have no polices tho’ … just plannings … and reviewings …

    At this stage I wouldn’t be voting … I do think honesty and early release of ALP policies ain’t done ’em no favours … with the plebs …

  116. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    April 28, 2019 7:13 pm

    l do think ” honesty and early release of”

    Nah, disagree big time. Look mate, they failed to clean house after the knifing era and have decided to die the death of 1000 cuts. Take my family, mum used to vote alp, but changed to greenz decades ago, l usually seek an indy. Neither of us voted for kevin07, but once elected we both wanted to vote for kevin10, but instead team dishwater knifed him. So we both stuck with our `usual` vote. We are not `special`, the same thing would have played out in hundreds of households around the country. Then, compounding the problem, team dishwater put the chief `knifer` as the face of the team to continually remind all the knifed voters of getting knifed. lts just a total gift to the `tax-cut`, no policy of any worth zombies. Don`t forget, very few seats tend to change anyway.

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2019 7:49 pm

    Fencing is an unusul choice. It isn’t a team sport (which has all the benefits of team play)

    It seems a little insular and certainly exclusive

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2019 9:58 pm

    https://www.ausfencing.org/

    Yep, ya wrong again, ToM … no teams here … duh!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ahhh … that explains a lot, tbagz, no issue with the last three PM’s then?

    BTW, how long is a grudge … ?

  119. Tom R permalink
    April 29, 2019 10:20 am

    Yes, a guy who’s job was to try anf form consensus between first workers, and then workers and employers, is ‘insular’ ROFL

    I note that ltdnews is still ‘adjusting’ their newspoll results

    The Bookies seem to have ignored them.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 11:52 am

    Dan Tehan had a chat to ABC radio this morning, where he had a few things to say about Labor’s multi-billion childcare plan:

    “I mean this is a fast track to a socialist, if not communist economy. It is unheard of,” he said.

    “… When they say it is going to be free, taxpayers are paying for this.”

    These dopey pricks will try anything … talk about shrill!

    The Reds are coming! The Reds are coming!

    Look under your bed, Danny bhoy … !

    And BTW I’ve spent a lifetime paying taxes for things I disagree with but know are necessary … and things I don’t … a good idea would be to stop funding private schools (ie the only schools around here with their own private buses!) … the money saved would easily pay for free kindy for parents who need to put tucker on the table … and a roof over their heads …

    Are Australian voters really as dumb as politicians think they are?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Bookies seem to have ignored them.

    But will the punters? (Actually in the past the bookies have been better than the polls if memory serves)

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 11:57 am

    How did I guess … was it something he said?

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/thanks-for-your-concern-but-my-religion-is-not-in-need-of-protection-20180712-p4zr3t.html

    So free kindy is socialist/communist … now I’m sure I read somewhere – “suffer the little children to come unto me” …

    Utter, contradictory, hypocrisy …

  122. Knot`Blue`Knot`Red`Teabag permalink
    April 29, 2019 12:15 pm

    no ” issue with the last three PM’s then?” . . . ” how long is a grudge?”

    But that`s the continual pretense maintained by the duopoly `and` the legacy outlets (when a voter is subtracted from the deep dishwater red column, then the voter must be added to the deep zombie blue column, while ignoring all other options and circumstances) Even tho prime meddlers are a conga-line of duds.

    Take a look at the vote compass crap my abc is peddling on telly. lt mostly pretends a `this`team `that`team choice for `political-consumers`, also known as voters. The last time political consumers bought a deep red prime meddler they were knifed and had no recourse. They are still `weary` of buying another one; just as an auto-consumer would be weary and reluctant to buy a new car from an auto-dealer that sold them a lemon, and had to be taken to court to get the car fixed/refunded etc (politics is just another product, and you need to measure the brand `grudge`, damage etc the SAME way)

  123. Tom R permalink
    April 29, 2019 1:09 pm

    round and round and round it goes ………..

    anywhere but the river apparently

    Barnaby Joyce’s department paid ‘tens of millions’ too much for water

    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/barnaby-joyce-s-department-paid-tens-of-millions-too-much-for-water-20180321-p4z5dd.html

  124. Feelin`Yellow`Teabags permalink
    April 29, 2019 1:30 pm

    Did our pinkists just see clivez address to da press??? He called out blib stooten over lying about team dishwater trying to do pref-deals with clive and their public hypocrisy toward clive while backrooming. So clive went public supplying names and times, and clive will pref da zombies. @own-goal

  125. Mello`Yello`Teabag permalink
    April 29, 2019 2:20 pm

    Did clive just smoke blib stooten ?? All the effort of running off to FN-bananaland to imply adani possibilities then back to boltsvillage to pretend greenist credentials has been quite a juggling act for blib stooten. l think clive may have just eaten the FN-bananaland lunch blib stooten had worked so hard to prepare. ls the frontyard signage yellow??

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 2:28 pm

    Most Queenslanders think Palmer is a liar and a thief … with “$4000 million” apparently …

    Palmer models himself on Trump … believe his shyte at you peril (and mine eventually) …

    I notice the fish and chip twit still has her head down in the trenches …

  127. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    April 29, 2019 2:43 pm

    Most bananalanders ” think ” barny is the worlds greatest retail politician. He bought $80bill of nonexistent water.

  128. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2019 3:45 pm

    There are no good available outcomes from this election. It is all juvenile politics, shallow politicians and wanking journalists. And that’s just on the coalition side. The lefties and independent ratbags are worse!

    It seems like a bad reality TV show gone horribly, horribly wrong. The longer this goes on the more suicides.

    About the only bright spot is to watch the occasional President Donald J Trump rally. If only Clive was that brilliant!

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 4:34 pm

    Most bananalanders ” think ” barny is the worlds greatest retail politician.

    Not sure about that … but someone should knock a hole in those fkn dams at Cubby!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The lefties and independent ratbags are worse! ROFLMAO – I think that’s what you used emphasise a point … 🙂

    If only Clive was that brilliant!

    Blink, blink … brilliant? pheeeewwwww … It seems like a bad reality TV show gone horribly, horribly wrong. Yep!

    We are slowly sinking to 51st spot!

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 4:40 pm

    Needs “full disclosure” TR …

    Anthony Chisholm has responded to Clive Palmer’s allegations. From his statement:

    Most Australians know that Clive Palmer is chaotic and dishonest, and his recent press statement was another example of that.

    In regards to the 2019 Federal election, I attempted to do due diligence on what the Palmer Party’s intentions were, as I have done in previous elections.

    In recent weeks I had two very brief phone conversations in an attempt to discover what role Mr Palmer would play in the Federal election.

    At no stage did I negotiate or offer Mr Palmer anything in regard to preferences.

    I was not authorised to offer anything and I didn’t.

    Bill Shorten has made it clear that no arrangements with Mr Palmer could be entertained while Queensland Nickel workers remained out of pocket, and I agree with Mr Shorten’s principled position.

    There is only one Party that has a deal in place with Mr Palmer and it is the Liberal National Party.

    That deal could see Mr Palmer, and his shambolic team, elected to the Senate and control the balance of power.

    Mr Morrison needs to explain how the chaos and dysfunction Mr Palmer would bring to the Senate is a good outcome for the Australian people.

    It’s clear that a vote for the LNP is a vote for Clive Palmer, and vice versa.

    Scott Morrison will bring the cuts, and Clive Palmer will bring the chaos.

    BTW, the Clivey Chaos is already here … never went away … oh, it did once …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1488&bih=966&ei=wpvGXKOVL5P59QPc85_oBQ&q=clive+palmer+asleep+jpg&oq=clive+palmer+asleep+jpg&gs_l=img.12…2761.11925..13882…0.0..0.156.3391.0j23……0….1..gws-wiz-img…..0..0j0i24j0i10i24j0i30.6o8LXqfJbCE#imgrc=DgNIEXwY5mDdaM:

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 4:59 pm

    Just one example of “the best economic management” in the last six years …

    When it comes to internet speeds, Australia continues to go backwards when compared to our international peers.

    The country has dropped to 62nd place in a global ranking of broadband speeds, putting us behind a number of developing countries including Kosovo, Kazakhstan and Barbados.

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/australian-broadband-speeds-are-improving-but-not-compared-to-the-rest-of-the-world/news-story/4cac80e9b13d6484ea69c3aad9633b8c

    It would be laughable if it wasn’t costing Australia so much in business, learning, medical, military, entertainment, speedy diplomacy, IT development, communication and international embarrassment!

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 5:08 pm

    Forgot to highlight the HUGE news.com.au furphy …

    Given the huge difference in the size of the two countries — Australia’s vast continental landscape compared to Singapore’s small and densely populated city nation — it’s not a particularly fair comparison. Rounding out the top five was Hong Kong, Monaco, Romania and South Korea — also small nations. However the US came in at number eight with an average speed of 117.31 Mbps.

    Just stop and think where the majority of Australians actually live … on the densely populated East Coast (NT has 250, 000 … Tasmania 500,000 … WA 2.5 million … that leaves most of us 21.5 million) …

    Fkn ludicrous management and waste of money! The LNP should be fired for this alone! It will takes and billions to correct what they have done … now, let’s look at the Murray Darling … there are so many clusterfucks it becomes difficult to counter the shyte!

  133. Send`in`the`chicks`Teabag permalink
    April 29, 2019 5:52 pm

    Yeah, l agree splatters, theRonald is the best `show` in Aust politics. l ust hope we can maintain a prime meddler worth him abusing (-:

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 6:04 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/apr/29/morrison-dodges-question-over-clive-palmers-unpaid-queensland-nickel-workers

    ROFLMAO!

    Labor still has not worked out blib stooten cannot be sold to knifed JG voters and knifed KR voters.

    We You all have (y)our cross to bear! ROFLMAO! 🙂

  135. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2019 6:06 pm

    Don’t laugh – Little Billy Two-Knives will be PM soon enough.

  136. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    April 29, 2019 8:15 pm

    Look at the flock of pork landing at the airport splatters!

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 29, 2019 9:04 pm

    “Fkn ludicrous management and waste of money! The LNP should be fired for this alone! It will takes and billions to correct what they have done ”

    At the moment slow speeds have nothing to do with the technology. High CVC fees mean Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speed. People are not even going for the highest speeds you can get with copper because of the cost. They are going for the cheaper slower speeds plans. Labors FTTP would be worse

    Just google “cvc and NBN”

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 9:41 pm

    Just google “cvc and NBN”

    You fkn Dick … it simply means there is not enough bandwidth … and that what FIBRE is supposed to improve …

    Go and play tiddlywinks!

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2019 9:45 pm

    For the record

    While 25 audience members declared Mr Shorten the winner, only 12 voted for Mr Morrison and another 11 were undecided.

  140. Know`Counting`Teabag permalink
    April 29, 2019 10:00 pm

    l`m just glad they could muster up an audience of 48.

  141. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 29, 2019 10:06 pm

    Nope. High CVC fees means Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds. At the moment technology is not a problem.

    I have seen it stated that the cvc problem would be even worse with fibre.

    Just google “cvc and NBN”. Labor set up the NBN so that speed is related to how much bandwidth a Telco purchases. But because of the price people are going for cheaper slower speed plans

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2019 8:26 am

    I see reports today that UFU leader Peter Marshall is paid over $400k a year. That seems like a good earner for a man of the people.

  143. Tom R permalink
    April 30, 2019 8:29 am

    I recall going around the cvc merry go round a while back with nil.

    rinse repeat

    I bet he still reckons wireless will save us all. 😦

    btw, Shorten should only agree to a debate at the npc. These other ones are a joke. He still wiped the floor with shouty though.

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 30, 2019 8:43 am

    “I bet he still reckons wireless will save us all”

    Where did I say that? But wireless is what people want. And I do not remember going on any cvc merry go round.

    Fact is technology is not the problem at the moment. High CVC fees charged by NBNCo means Telcos like TPG, Optus, Telstra do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speed. People are not even going for the highest speeds u can get with copper because of the cost. I have FTTP and I get nowhere near 100 mbps which u can get with copper

  145. Tom R permalink
    April 30, 2019 9:18 am

    Bewildering isn’t it?

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2019 10:09 am

    I have FTTP and I get nowhere near 100 mbps which u can get with copper

    1. Do you pay for 100mbps?

    2. What do you pay for and what speed do you get?

    3. Copper is ancient (an slow) tech … stop fooling yourself

    (Note: I pay for 100mbps – HFC hybrid – and consistently get 94mbps)

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 30, 2019 12:12 pm

    From memory i get 42mbps with fibre. I cannot do the test now because i have gone over my monthly download limit. But that shows u Telcos can control speed. If you go over your limit they do not stop u using the internet they just slow down your speed to dialup.

    People are not even going for the highest speeds you can get with copper because of the cost. Most people are going for the slower speed cheaper plans

  148. Kutt`Da`Why`Errrz`Teabag permalink
    April 30, 2019 3:14 pm

    May your local nodes drown regularly stoopid tunc.

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2019 3:23 pm

    recall going around the cvc merry go round a while back with nil.

    And I’m already dizzy (again)

    … over my monthly download limit* … People are not even going for the highest speeds you can get with copper because of the cost. Most people are going for the slower speed cheaper plans

    It’s like a three year old telling you how to build an IKEA wardrobe … using a Lego instruction booklet!

    Limit and slow? FMD! A $5 plan?

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2019 3:24 pm

    May your local nodes drown regularly stoopid tunc.

    He claims FTTP????

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 30, 2019 3:39 pm

    Stupid? Why? If u really want fibre NBNCo do individual installs. Cost =$15800. But at the moment technology is not the problem. It is the high CVC fees charged by NBNCo meaning Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speed. With the much more expensive fibre network the CVC problem would be worse.

    But there is a solution. Write off the NBN as a loss and add the debt onto the govt debt. Then CvC fees could be removed. NBNCo would then charge just enough to cover their costs

  152. Lotza`Joyntz`Teabag permalink
    April 30, 2019 6:36 pm

    Its most likely an `off-cut` of fiber that replaces the telegraphWire, from node, to user. Drowned node, (or hit by car) will take-out both fiber and telegraphwire. The zombies added all the cuts and joints, and the `node` is pretty much a `joiner`box.

  153. WTF`Teabag permalink
    April 30, 2019 8:03 pm

    This is Weird, anybody understand the `point` of this site, please.

  154. Tom R permalink
    May 1, 2019 8:33 am

    But at the moment technology is not the problem.

    This is perhaps the dumbest thing you have ever said.

    And you have said some absolute corkers

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2019/march/1551445200/michael-quigley/what-happened-broadband-australia

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 1, 2019 11:27 am

    Tom R

    What r u raving on about. I said the slow internet speeds that are mentioned in the media are not due to the technology. That is a fact. Because of high CVC fees charged by NBNCo Telcos do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speed. People are not even going for the highest speeds u can get with copper because of the cost.

    And nobody knows what FTTP would cost or how long it would take to build. It may be in the long run it was a huge mistake for the Coalition to change Labors FTTP plan. But we really will not know for at least 10 years. One advantage of copper is that FTTN can be built much quicker giving NBNCo cash flow much sooner.

  156. Tom R permalink
    May 1, 2019 12:29 pm

    I know what you said nil

    it was stupid

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 1, 2019 1:00 pm

    Why? At the moment technology is not the problem for slow speeds. That is a fact. In fact i have seen it stated that speeds would be glacial with fibre because the CVC fees would be much higher meaning Telcos would be purchasing even less bandwidth.

    Now another question is whether the Coalition made a mistake changing Labors fibre policy. In the long run it may be a big mistake. But technology is not the reason for our current slow speeds. Most people are going for the slowest cheaper plans rather than for the faster more expensive plans

  158. Tom R permalink
    May 1, 2019 1:34 pm

    oh, you saw it stated did you nil?

    Was this by the same people who said it’d faster, cheaper, sooner? ffs

  159. Oooops`Teabag permalink
    May 1, 2019 2:30 pm

    Watchout dummy 30% of voters are voting early and so far its a landslide for blib stooten. lt doesn`t look like wireCo bullshit can save the zombies.

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 1, 2019 2:57 pm

    Coalition said NBN would be cheaper and built sooner using copper. I doubt they said it would be faster. How many brains do u need to work that out? Anybody who believes Quigley about cost needs help. FTTP requires and underground conduit. I suspect that is why i got fibre. I already had an underground conduit

    Yes i saw it stated that speeds would be even slower with Labors FTTP

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/labors-nbn-triple-the-costs-and-glacial-speeds/news-story/6699c4a288dc2a402efda86cf93153d2

    “Slow connections plaguing the National Broadband Network would have been even worse under Labor’s gold-plated scheme because the costly bandwidth charges that are causing the problem would have been up to three times higher.

    The assessment comes from New Street Research’s Ian Martin, who added that if NBN Co had stuck with the former Labor government’s plan the likely losses to taxpayers over the scheme would have been “$50 billion to $60bn”, as opposed to an estimated $30bn under the ­Coalition’s approach.

    Mr Martin, who advises institutional investors on telco stocks, said it was not possible to model how slow NBN connections would have been under Labor’s fibre-to-the-premises model, because they would have been so glacial and service costs so high that consumers would have rejected the scheme outright.

    Under the original plan bandwidth charges would have to double or triple,” Mr Martin said. “It’s an impossible dream because the market just won’t bear the cost, it wouldn’t work.”

  161. Price`of`Nodes`Teabag permalink
    May 1, 2019 3:23 pm

    Guffaw! lts just fcukwit fodder from LimitedNews regurgitated from teabag-org and teh-ipa. They don`t even have the nads to tell you the cost of replacing those drowned nodes.

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    May 1, 2019 3:29 pm

    They don`t even have the nads to tell you the cost of replacing those drowned nodes.

    For decades to come …

  163. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    May 1, 2019 6:20 pm

    Also missing.

  164. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 8:22 am

    My heart burns for poor retirees who are able to retire at 61 with a boat (at least) and be able to live for ten years comfortably without having to dive into their super at all.

    What was the point of Superannuation again? To provide an inheritance for the kids?

    https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/the-fury-over-franking-credits/11064834

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2019 10:21 am

    I presume employees in child care centres are paid an award rate.

    So what exactly requires a wage subsidy to increase the rate? Can somone explain why those private sector employees are more deserving than other people that are paid an award rate.

  166. Walrus permalink
    May 2, 2019 10:44 am

    “My heart burns for poor retirees who are able to retire at 61 with a boat (at least) and be able to live for ten years comfortably without having to dive into their super at all.””

    In the unlikely event that the ALP even gets its changes through the Senate there are ways a retiree can continue to pay no tax and still receive tax refunds just by varying their investment mix. It’s relatively simple and yet again simply shows the ALP just cannot think things through.

    This policy will not raise the $$$$ the ALP thinks it will

    Having just returned from Europe after investing in a Carbon Credits Brokerage company I now welcome the downfall of these neanderthal climate changing deniers in the Coalition.

    I am with you comrades bring on international carbon credit trading ASAP

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 11:41 am

    Can somone(sic) explain … even if we did you wouldn’t understand it.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am with you comrades bring on international carbon credit trading ASAP

    Welcome to the Dark Side … or is that the Red Side or the Green Side? 🙂

    There is another advantage – no need to keep checking under your bed … 😉

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 11:44 am

    This policy will not raise the $$$$ the ALP thinks it will

    Don’t care … its a principle … no-one should get a tax return if they don’t pay tax … its not a tax return its a gift from taxpayers to the wealthy … and there are other investments …

    I don’t get one from my super …

  169. Final`Outcome`Teabag permalink
    May 2, 2019 11:50 am

    For once we agree blubbers, `if` blib stooten wins. l still reckon an expanded (with clivez, coreyz, katterz, paulinez) house of zombie will end up winning.

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2019 1:08 pm

    It’s entertaining the way the ALP dismisses the modelling of economist Brian Fisher, and the projected cost.

    But the ALP won’t advise of it’s own modelling or cost.

    That’s dodgy Bill for you

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2019 1:10 pm

    even if we did you wouldn’t understand it.

    What TB means is – I don’t understand it, but it’s a great idea because the ALP said so!

  172. Walrus permalink
    May 2, 2019 1:13 pm

    “…………….no-one should get a tax return if they don’t pay tax ”

    There are plenty of welfare recipients who pay negative net tax.

  173. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 1:14 pm

    But the ALP won’t advise of it’s own modelling or cost.

    As was explained, again, on 7.30 last night, it realistically cannot be.

    which is just one of the reasons this latest modeling is bogus.

  174. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 1:35 pm

    There are plenty of welfare recipients who pay negative net tax.

    That’s not getting a tax return, that’s ……. social security.

    Calling yourself ‘self funded, whilst living off welfare is just self delusion

  175. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 1:50 pm

    Some lite reading for yomm 😉

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-25/childcare-workers-frustrated-over-low-wages/9575176

    #ChangeTheRules

  176. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 2:04 pm

    Some lite reading for yomm 😉

    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/brian-fisher-modelling-whats-the-story/

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2019 2:26 pm

    Walrus

    Did you say that climate change statement tongue in cheek or have u turned to the dark side? If so just look at the company u are keeping. Almost everything lefties say is wrong

  178. Show`Me`the`Seats`Teabag permalink
    May 2, 2019 2:29 pm

    That`s all `pie` in sky teamcheerer. Do the maths, blib stooten has 66 seats and `needs` 10 to claim his dishwater govt. Which 10 seats?? All the teabumbkin and teabag seats strongly under threat, (yes the zombies will lose some) are so by indy`s and minors. Even the `indi`electorate looks like it will be successfully handed from mcgowan(indy) to another indy.

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 2:43 pm

    What TB means is – I don’t understand it, but it’s a great idea because the ALP said so!

    There ya go again … speak for yourself (for a change) not guessing what other people might think …

  180. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 2:54 pm

  181. Method`To`Madness`Teabag permalink
    May 2, 2019 2:56 pm

    but ” it`s a great idea because ” (the long held personal ideology) ” said so!”

    Nah teebz, for once he`s correct-ish. You can always tell because folks then get agro, huffy, defensive, or go silent. Most folks like to think they make their own choices and think for self, until its pointed out they haven`t.

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2019 3:17 pm

    I see… so the ALP has a climate policy and has absolutely no idea of its cost or economic impact, other than… it’s not whathe says

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2019 3:21 pm

    And TB & Tom R support a wage subsidy in a specific industry, which currently meets its award obligations, because… well… just because!

    And Tom R… they’re frustrated by low wages? They’re on the award, why are they entitled to a new boost courtesy of the taxpayer, when other award employees don’t get that taxpayer largesse??

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2019 3:23 pm

    And by the way… I’m off on my international surf safari for a couple of months, hope everyone enjoys the misery of whichever party wins!!

  185. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 3:43 pm

    yomm, I think you will find I support a subsidy already given to a specific industry be made to go to the workers, not the corporations

    The protest is the first since their union, United Voice, lost a five-year battle at the Fair Work Commission for a wage increase.

    The FWC has proven to be conflicted beyond repair. It needs a boot put through it, like most things the lnp have bastardised during their tenure.

    absolutely no idea of its cost or economic impact

    It has been shown by multiple reports that their policy will have almost the same impact as the lnps

    The costings though are impossible to ascertain.

    Can you show the lnps costings?

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2019 3:58 pm

    From your link to justify child care subsidy…

    The 25-year-old earns $49,000 per year — an amount, she says, that forces her to live with her sister.

    She’s 25, earns about $1000 per week, shares a house with her sister… and tis is justification for a wage subsidy courtesy of taxpayers, including many that will earn a lot less than her!!

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:02 pm

    They’re on the award,

    That screeches … “I’ve never been on an award … I’m so much better than that”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Nah teebz, for once he`s correct-ish.

    He’s needling, tbagz … does it all the time …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Can you show the lnps costings?

    Actually the cost of doing nothing (productive) … meetings and reviewings don’t count as productive …

    It’s always easy to knock someone else’s idea … especially if you don’t have a viable alternative …

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:06 pm

    From your link to justify child care subsidy…

    See what happens when you make (what has become) an essential service into a profit centre?

    If child care was a government service there would be a nominal fee for all kids … oh, but that would be a communist plot!

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:09 pm

    I’ve noticed, ToM, is always happy to tell people that their wage is satisfactory or excessive for what they do … especially lower paid workers …

    Enjoy your global holiday … watch out for sharks … and big fish with teeth wherever you enter the water too!

  190. Walrus permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:17 pm

    “”That’s not getting a tax return, that’s ……. social security.”

    Well lets get rid of Family Tax Benefit A as it in many cases creates a negative tax effect

  191. Walrus permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:24 pm

    “Almost everything lefties say is wrong”

    I know that. But I didn’t realise how much money there was to be made from Carbon Credits until i was invited to a meeting in Paris last month

  192. Walrus permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:28 pm

    “”… its not a tax return its a gift from taxpayers to the wealthy “”

    Actually that statement is not correct since the wealthy (those on an average tax rate including medicare levy of over 30%) will still get to claim all their tax credits.

    The policy only affects those on an average tax rate lower than 30%

  193. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:33 pm

    including many that will earn a lot less than her!!

    With the same level of qualification?

    Who?

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:33 pm

    Well lets get rid of Family Tax Benefit A as it in many cases creates a negative tax effect

    To take care of Australia’s future … and that’s a bad thing?

  195. Think`About`it`Teabag permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:48 pm

    I still think it is quite a long shot for voters to believe that the team that last spent their time in power manufacturing an oh so special, special, special, superProfits tax that ultimately raised zero-ish revenue; will actually be competent enough and have the nads to raise the required revenue to deliver their promises. l tend to agree with blubbers that there will be so many `wide`open loop holes remaining open; that wealthy welfare cheques will not be skipped by any.

  196. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2019 4:50 pm

    Walrus

    Sounds like u have sold your soul for money. Don’t follow the lefties, everything they say is wrong

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2019 5:31 pm

    I don’t think $1000 a week at 25 and living in a share house is such hardship that it requires taxpayers to cough up.

    It’s poor policy to take the taxes from someone that is paid an award rate of about $20 an hour and give someone that is paid already paid 30% more than then a taxpayer funded pay increase/subsidy.

  198. Walrus permalink
    May 2, 2019 5:38 pm

    “Sounds like u have sold your soul for money”

    Not at all

    I have no problem taking money off stupid people making stupid decisions to trade carbon permits

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 5:41 pm

    MISLEADING

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-30/fact-check-labors-dividend-imputation-policy/10626204

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I don’t think $1000 a week at 25 …

    Not “I think” —- WHY?

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 5:51 pm

    What a wonderful place Mexico is …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/02/melbourne-couple-shocked-after-signing-for-parcel-that-contained-10m-in-ice

    Had to look uo Hoppers Crossing! CHKL 🙂

  201. Tom R permalink
    May 2, 2019 6:18 pm

    I don’t think $1000 a week at 25 and living in a share house is such hardship that it requires taxpayers to cough up.

    These are qualified workers, and your measurement of a decent wage for a decent days work is “I don’t think it’s a hardship” (as if you’d even know what that means)

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2019 6:31 pm

    (as if you’d even know what that means)

    Can I add my earlier comment …

    That screeches … “I’ve never been on an award … I’m so much better than that”

    And then …

    And by the way… I’m off on my international surf safari for a couple of months,

    Gawd its hard … keep the plebs struggling with the kids … and your lot screech communism/socialism! BOO!

  203. Tom R permalink
    May 3, 2019 8:08 am

    I keep wondering if yomm appeared recently on 7.30 with his yacht and taxpayer subsidised ‘self funding’?

  204. Tom R permalink
    May 3, 2019 9:23 am

    Gold

  205. Band`Aids`Teabag permalink
    May 3, 2019 11:14 am

    The trouble with the childcare stuff blib stooten is spouting is that it is one of the things the govt pays 10K to biz for; to take work-4-dole `program` (or other program) to continue to fudge so-called `unemployment` numbers. l took my neighbor (on-dole) to library 6,7,8 weeks ago, he showed me the 10K-offer to biz once he logged-in. By doing that; in short; the govt is actively wrecking the ability for a `demand` to be created within childcare industry, just churn `dept-supplied` program slaves. Check it yourself if have any unemployed/ centerlink family or friends. l still think there is so much of the consumer base screwed down, even `fixing` childcare, it won`t produce any economic upside of significance, and still reckon there will be more `slumping` of most of the economy. Keep watching retail.

  206. Walrus permalink
    May 3, 2019 11:43 am

    I cant fucking believe that the LNP the ALP and the Greens dont do better background checks on the the idiots they nominate.

    We have an LNP gal ranting about muslim women and their genitalia and an ALP nominee joking about rape.

    What sort of moron would not check up on their social media posts before allowing their nominations.

    Especially after the citizenship debacle.

    What the fuck does it take ?

  207. Still`Not`Learning`Teabag permalink
    May 3, 2019 12:26 pm

    Pathetic aint it. They`ve also been bleating about team clivez too.

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2019 4:55 pm

    No yacht for me, they’re for people that enjoy sea sickness!!
    Just burn some carbon to get to a surf spot is my hobby!

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2019 6:13 pm

    What the fuck does it take ?

    A National Socialist agenda … ?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just burn some carbon to get to a surf spot is my hobby!

    Yep, no award wages shit for this lad!

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2019 6:28 pm

    I have a very good mate who has shares in a horse … nowt wrong with that … but during the conversation about the filly’s last run … a question sprang to mind …

    Now I don’t know about other states but Queensland spends a fortune subsidising a multi-million dollar industry … including building and owning race tracks and training facilities for all forms of horse racing … why?

    That thought progressed to football and cricket … the state government spend millions on stadiums and support for cricket, soccer, NRL, AFL and Union … why? They are multi-million dollar industries …

    The AIS is subsidised by the Federal government to train/educate sports hopefuls year in year out … none have to pay any fees … even if they drop out … or end up earning millions … Uni students PAY

    Is sport – even gambling sport, a national (expensive) obsession?

    Sport used to be sport … now its a business … so why do taxpayers have to subsidise it?

    We dropped the subsidy for the car industry and it was far less costly? And provided work for far more people!

  211. Know`Div`Rants`Again`Teabag permalink
    May 3, 2019 7:05 pm

    But don`t stop there teebz. (yes, boltsvillage and jonestown DO stadium welfare too) Also lots of slot machines to hoover up truckloads of cash in so-called sports clubs(casinos) with loud claims of generous(minimal) returns to community. And have BOTH teams in pocket.

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2019 7:12 pm

    Luke Creasey seems nice…

    https://www.lukecreasey.com.au/the-issues/

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2019 7:24 pm

    1. People at the AIS should pay HECS
    2. Major sports are non profit (though growth oriented) .
    3. Art, theatre, films also receive subsidies, let’s get rid of those ones too!

    …just in the airport lounge getting ready to produce a few tons of carbon in pursuit of some meaningful leisure.

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2019 9:34 pm

    2. Major sports are non profit (though growth oriented) .

    Up to $500,000 a year for players is not – non profit?* What planet do you wish you live on?

    *In my world anyway!

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 3, 2019 10:18 pm

    “We dropped the subsidy for the car industry and it was far less costly? ”

    No we did not. Who told u that? Subsidies are still available

    https://www.business.gov.au/assistance/automotive-transformation-scheme
    .
    The Automotive Transformation Scheme (ATS) commenced on 1 January 2011 and will run until 31 December 2020. It aims to encourage competitive investment, innovation and economic sustainability in the Australian automotive industry.

  216. Vroom`Vroom`Teabag permalink
    May 4, 2019 3:27 pm

    I know. lts wonderful. Subsidies for something that doesn`t exist! At least wireCo can handle all the electronic applications without too much buffering.

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2019 6:03 pm

    Up to $500,000 a year for players is not – non profit?

    Year!! People in the medical profession get paid that too, abd we still hand out cash to the industry.

    The film industry gets subsidies, and some actors are paid that.

    What’s your point TB?

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2019 7:04 pm

    Year!! People in the medical profession get paid that too, abd we still hand out cash to the industry.

    You’re comparing footballers and actors with the medical profession? And hospitals and clinics and paramedics* are an “industry”?

    I have a granddaughter studying a paramedic/nursing double right now and you compare her with a cricketer? FFS!

    What’s my point? Can you repair your car – mechanics with all their trade knowledge $50,000 a year is my fkn point!

    What planet do you wish you live on?

    Go back ’cause its ignorant people like you who are destroying mine!

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2019 8:44 pm

    I see… but you were whinging about how much foitballers get. I’m only pointing out that the government supports a range if high income industries.
    * medical
    * films
    * manufacturing

    In football, all the government does is assist in the building and maintenance of a public asset.

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2019 10:41 pm

    I see…

    No, you don’t … I’d stop now …

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2019 11:17 pm

    Yes TB, the government invests in facilities that people use for various types of leisure and you object!

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2019 12:25 pm

    Yes TB, the government invests in facilities that people use for various types of leisure and you object!

    There you go again – that’s not what I said – let me make it simple and repeat … “Queensland spends a fortune subsidising a multi-million dollar industry …”

    Have you ever paid to go to a football match?

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 5, 2019 12:40 pm

    The subsidy you’re referring to is development of a public asset, that is used for a variety of purposes, including music and sport

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2019 2:22 pm

    Why isn’t it privatised = everything (more important) is?

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2019 2:23 pm

    including music and sport

    Both multi million dollar industries …

  226. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2019 2:56 pm

    * manufacturing

    i know a few Holden workers who beg to disagree.

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2019 6:13 pm

    TR, my head has been bandaged so many times here … it doesn’t hurt anymore …

    “Thick as a brick ” has brought a new meaning too … maybe we should say … sick as a surfer …

    The Minister and I were the M1 to see aGold Coast client a few many years ago and playing silly buggers with words and phrases (the stock in trade of instructional designers/technical writers) we had a bit of fun with … “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” … we came up with … “you can lead a person to thought but you can’t make them think”* (*copyright TB Queensland, 2005 – 2019)

  228. Know`Kidding`Teabag permalink
    May 5, 2019 6:50 pm

    You can lead a goose to facts, but you can`t make it think.

    (l`ve often said this over the years teebz) with `goose` interchanged with; lemming, jackass, clown, imbecile, idiot, fool, bozo, bunny, dodo and more.

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2019 7:22 pm

    tbagz … that’s so fkn crude … ToM is – if nothing else – is a person (and obviously of great esteem -somewhere … 🙂 )

  230. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2019 8:58 am

    somewhere

    But where?

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2019 9:26 am

    I’m in a fairly isolated surf spot – just to tick it off my list!! And it is certainly not tropical!!
    Very picturesque though.

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2019 2:32 pm

    Unproductive as usual!

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2019 2:48 pm

    Leisure is very productive !!
    …surf Tofino!

  234. Ware`To`Next`Teabag permalink
    May 6, 2019 6:40 pm

    Do we still have any inHouse team swooners left for blib stooten?? Did anybody watch the team meeting (or-attend) on sunday?? l watched a decent chunk of it; the kevin07 and jooLiar buddy, buddy, playing nice was kinda sickening. l noticed blib said all the nice things, but it doesn`t overcome the distrust factor of knifing previous KR+JG voters. l really do think it is a crying shame the membership are soiling plib their team by running blib again without thought to the rest of the voting public, that still don`t seem to be buying blib stooten.

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2019 6:41 pm

    My word you do have a problem, tbagz … build a bridge

  236. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2019 7:06 pm

    build a bridge

    Some people are more whinger than builderTB 😉

  237. Fetch`Teabag`Fetch permalink
    May 6, 2019 7:26 pm

    build a bridge

    Okay its done! Here`s ya bridge. lt goes from here to the long grass to make it easier for ya to fetch the sticks the zombies throw into the long grass. Sorry l asked ya something that was `too-hard`.

  238. Know`Doubt`Teabag permalink
    May 6, 2019 8:31 pm

    have a problem ????

    He could?? l still reckon bandt, wilkie, mcgowan, oakshot, zali, phelps and ipswich will smash blib stooten.

  239. ivi permalink
    May 6, 2019 9:14 pm

    (Sorry l asked ya something that was `too-hard`.

    Dats otay …

    Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.

    —————–

    Speaking of “shady ad man…… )

  240. Knew`Ticket`Teabag permalink
    May 6, 2019 10:39 pm

    (Am l correct in believing you have bought ya ticket to the blib stooten show.)

  241. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 6, 2019 10:40 pm

    “i know a few Holden workers who beg to disagree”

    Telling lies again TomR. Beats me why u tell so many lies. When Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM the industry was dead. Coalition was handed a corpse

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/gillard-seeks-ford-help-for-workers/news-story/3a0c3870e4ec48b4e81bb7b0340b25fc

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has called on Ford Australia to chip in to an assistance package to help workers and communities affected by the company’s 2016 shutdown of car making.
    Ford announced on Thursday it would shed 1200 workers and close its factories in Victoria in October 2016.

  242. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    May 6, 2019 10:49 pm

    So fcuking what dummy. GM/holden and ford are `actually` different biz`s.

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2019 1:16 am

    The ABC is facing “inevitable” job cuts and programming disruption if the Morrison government is returned to power, the national broadcaster’s new managing director has warned.

    Diddums

    https://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/abc-cuts-inevitable-if-coalition-government-returned-managing-director-warns-20190506-p51koc.html

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2019 11:38 am

    Diddums????

    So, explain this ToM?

    From Canberra, and from Foxtel’s North Ryde headquarters, a deafening silence surrounds the $30 million for women’s sports coverage given to Foxtel in the last federal budget.

    It’s been the source of growing anger from a public and commentariat who cannot understand why the government would gift $30 million to a pay TV operator seen in (at best) a third of households part-owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    And why didn’t Happy Clappy turn up to Q&A last night? Not his congregation?

    BTW, I’ll remember “diddums” in the coming weeks … 🙂 Sweetie …

  245. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2019 12:39 pm

    It’s turning into an Eggsellent campaign 🙂

  246. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2019 2:00 pm

    Teabag

    What is your point? TomR was trying to make out Holden workers are unemployed because of the Coalition but says nothing about the Ford workers. Ford announced they were closing when Gillard was PM. And this was when the auto maufacturers were getting all the money they wanted from the govt. Ford leaving meant the auto industry was dead and it died under labor.

    And it died for the simple reason nobody was buying aussie made cars. They were either too expensive, bad quality or they made cars not suitable for Australia. it was not because of a lack of funding from the govt. If anyone is to blame it is management for making cars nobody wanted for whatever reason

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2019 2:01 pm

    It was just a yolk but she should have waited till she saw the whites of his eyes …

  248. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2019 2:13 pm

  249. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2019 2:15 pm

    Just in case some missed ivi’s punctuation 😉

  250. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2019 2:37 pm

    Someone doesn’t realise that a treasurer telling a company to piss off is not the same as trying to save a company.

    Sad.

  251. Know`Yoke`Teabag permalink
    May 7, 2019 4:51 pm

    pay TV operator “ seen in (at best) a third of households

    Gotta Link?? to that please teebz. The last numbers l saw (quite a while ago) was paytv was still stagnant in single digit(%) signups which churn 90%+ once the `period` was over.

    ____

    Seems there has been some egg-citement with slomo, and viewers finding egg-stra uses for poultry efficiency dividends! (-:

  252. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 7, 2019 5:55 pm

    TomR

    U R insane. Hockey never said that. And as if a multi-national company would up and leave Australia if they felt insulted. U r one deluded person. In fact deluded is wrong. Dishonest is more correct. When Ford annouced they were leaving when Gillard was PM the industry was dead. It died under Labor because nobody was buying aussie made cars.

    Have u walked into a Harvey Norman store recently? What percentage of the toasters, washing machines, TV’s etc are made in Australia? In the 1970’s we made everything here.

  253. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2019 6:04 pm

    hahahaha

    The replies are priceless

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2019 10:52 pm

    Sad. Nah! Fucking dumb as usual!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Gotta Link?? to that please teebz.

    Lots @ Murdoch 30 million … easy peasy …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In the 1970’s we made everything here.

    What cock!

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2019 10:59 pm

    The replies are priceless

    aren’t they! Especially like the pie vid and comment!

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2019 9:47 am

    Bananby doen’t even know when he’s lying …

    But it was one final question that set Barnaby on fire.

    “Gardesil vaccine prevents cancer of the cervix. On the 27th of January 2006, Barnaby Joyce opposed the free provision of Gardesil vaccine. He was quoted as saying, ‘Don’t put something out that gives a 12-year-old daughter of mine the license to be promiscuous’. Does Mr Joyce still hold this view?”, came the question.

    Barnaby, who seemed relatively bored throughout the night, had a barney — raising his voice and slapping down the question.

    “That article was one of the most atrocious, misquotings of me,” he fired back. “My father’s a vet, my mother’s a physio. I had to deal for years after that reporter put that out. (It’s) absolute garbage. Of course I support something that’s going to save people’s lives.

    “You don’t understand. Just because you read it, doesn’t mean I said it.”

    It was one of many Barnaby responses that caused the room to erupt in cheers.

    The comments referred to by the voter were made during a 2006 debate about the breakthrough cervical cancer vaccine.

    During discussions about the rollout of a national immunisation campaign using Gardisil, a vaccine that protects young women from the virus that causes 70 per cent of cervical cancers, Mr Joyce expressed fears it would encourage young women to be promiscuous.

    “There might be an overwhelming backlash from people saying ‘don’t you dare put something out there that gives my 12-year-old daughter a license to be promiscuous’,” he said.

    Mr Joyce argued against making the vaccine available because of the “social implications” and the implication of permissiveness around sex.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/new-england-candidates-including-barnaby-joyce-grilled-in-live-pub-test-ahead-of-the-federal-election/news-story/ab03941344451eedee81417d3d4b81ff

    My emphasis … bold and italics …

  257. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2019 11:35 am

    barnies own example should be enough to prevent his daughters being ‘promiscuous’

  258. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2019 11:36 am

    “In the 1970’s we made everything here.
    What cock!”

    Why? OK in the 1970’s we made most things here. My understanding is that we made almost everything here except high quality cameras. We are now what economics textbooks call a third world country. First world countries import raw materials and turn them into manufactured goods. Third world countries export raw materials and import manufactured goods.

  259. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2019 11:54 am

    WE MADE EVERYTHING

    We Made Some things

    now we don’t make anything, because manufacturers can’t work with governments that tell them to piss off!

  260. ivi permalink
    May 8, 2019 12:06 pm

    (My understanding is….

    Made in Japan)

  261. Tom R permalink
    May 8, 2019 12:17 pm

    Maiden Japan?

  262. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2019 12:39 pm

    “now we don’t make anything, because manufacturers can’t work with governments that tell them to piss off!”

    That story is wrong. It shows how deluded and dishonest you are. I suspect more dishonest than deluded. It was just announced that we will not be making nappies here anymore. Did they leave because they were told to rack off?

    You invent fairy tales to sooth your dishonest conscience. Our car industry died under Rudd/Gillard because for whatever reason nobody was buying aussie made cars

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2019 12:45 pm

    Look at the economy model, right, top, of … ivi’s link

    Tells it all … 😉

    NEEEEEEEEL will understand it immediately!

  264. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 8, 2019 9:03 pm

    “THE newly appointed head of General Motors international operations, Stefan Jacoby, has admitted it was he who pulled the trigger on Holden’s factory closures – and that no amount of government money was going to save them, even the so-called "blank cheque" offered by the Labor Government in the final days of the last Federal election.
    Mr Jacoby also said the highly publicised outburst from Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time, calling on Holden to “come clean” with its decision, had no impact on the outcome – because the phone conference to decide Holden’s fate was happening at the same time.
    “I proposed the decision and … the final approval came from the board,” Mr Jacoby told Australian media at the Detroit motor show.”

    https://www.news.com.au/meet-the-executive-who-shut-holdens-factory-stefan-jacoby/news-story/51ddb0f3d6e977903faedef879896c5f

  265. Rusher`is`FakeNews`Teabag permalink
    May 8, 2019 9:15 pm

    Hockey; `get the fcuk out or we`ll boot ya out`

    Detroit; `okay we`ll go`
    ____

    l didn`t watch the `debates` the echo chambers keep bleating about. l already know they`re both duds.

  266. May 8, 2019 10:40 pm

    So, this place is still here. Nice.

    “In the unlikely event that the ALP even gets its changes through the Senate there are ways a retiree can continue to pay no tax and still receive tax refunds just by varying their investment mix.”

    Hello Walrus, long time no speak. I’d love to hear more about this. Asking for a friend. 😉

  267. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2019 12:34 am

    https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/folau-shouldn-t-suffer-an-employment-penalty-for-views-shorten-says-20190508-p51lgf.html

    Interesting… Shorten is sympathetic about Israel Folau not suffering loss of employment for his religious beliefs. Whereas Morrison seems to think the employer is within their rights!

    Plenty of anti religious types here will probably think Folau should have his contract terminated. Siding with Morrison!

    That’s quite amusing!

    (And hello Tony!)

  268. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2019 8:46 am

    Hi Tony, welcome back, even if briefly

    I’d love to hear more about this.

    Yes, next law to be changed please.

    I know there are a raft of these havens available to people with means, so, the more we know about them, the more we can shut them back down 😉

    That’s quite amusing!

    No it’s not. The worlds gone crazy when I agree more with morrison than I do with Shorten

  269. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2019 10:06 am

    Hello ToM and Tom R. Good to see you.

    Looks like Labor is going to war with Murdoch. That should go well for them.

  270. Walrus permalink
    May 9, 2019 10:20 am

    Hi ToSY

    The most obvious strategy is listed investment trust (that dont pay tax at source unlike companies) either real estate or infrastrucure. However if your average tax rate is above 30% you dont need to do anything as you will still receive franking credits anyway.

    The ALPs argument that this attack the super wealthy is bullshit and demonstrates they dont understand how franking credits work. By its very nature the policy can only affect those on average tax rates below 30%

    Franking credits can be applied to untaxed income as is a distribution from a Unit Trust

    2 examples of infrastructure are Transurban yielding 4.12 % on todays asx but if spare franking credits not used (which is your cash ATO refund) are applied the yield goes upto 5.9%. Sydney Airport yields 5% on the asx today but if spare credits become appled it becomes 7.1%

  271. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2019 10:40 am

    Hello Walrus. My friend is a self-funded retiree whose SMSF consists of mostly Australian equities paying fully franked dividends. Their fund is in retirement mode and is in a tax-free environment, as I understand it. How would the distributions from those infrastructure trusts be treated any differently under Labor’s proposed changes? Thank you in advance.😉

  272. Walrus permalink
    May 9, 2019 10:51 am

    If their average tax rate is say 20% (note I’m talking average not marginal) and the franking credit is 30% currently they would receive the excess of 10% as a cash refund. So by purchasing untaxed unit trusts and the taxable distribution they provide they can then use the 5% rather than completely lose it under the ALP which artificially increases the unit trust yield.

    So the credit from BHP lets say is then applied to say the untaxed Transurban income. ASX trusts do not pay company tax so generally all their distributions are non franked. But the excess BHP credit can be applied to the unit trust distribution.

    The ALP policy does not affect those on average tax rates over 30%. It does not affect the wealthy only everyone under the 30%

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2019 10:58 am

    Plibersek says Labor was “not contemplating a royal commission” and there would not be “retribution” from a future Labor government.

    “But I think it is fair enough to call out the fact, that News Limited is doing their very best … we are happy to call out what is a pretty obvious bias in the News Limited media, aimed at protecting their business interests.

    “This is a company that between 2013 and 2017 paid no corporate tax in Australia. In 2015 the ATO said this is the number one company to watch, in terms of reducing or avoiding tax.

    “More to the point, Rupert Murdoch gave up his Australian citizenship. He does not have a vote in this election. Millions of Australians do.

    “They should decide for themselves, not based on misinformation from corporate interests protecting their right to pay no tax.”

  274. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2019 11:00 am

    Thanks Walrus. I think I understand. Such a strategy would involve having a balance of Equities and trusts, where the franking credits from the equities are applied against the taxable income of the trusts?

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2019 11:06 am

    The preamble to the code outlines Rugby Australia’s “core values”, including a safe, fair and inclusive environment for all involved in the game. More specifically, a key clause states that players must “use social media appropriately”. Examples of related breaches of the code include making

    any public comment that would likely be detrimental to the best interests, image and welfare of the game.

    In addition, there is a clause in the code that asks players to

    treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability.

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2019 11:09 am

    blockquote>Shorten defended his changes to franking credits, saying the tax concession had blown out to now be worth $6bn a year, which was not sustainable.

    “It is not a refund, it’s a gift,” Shorten said. “It’s not illegal. It’s not immoral. It’s the law. But it’s not sustainable.

    Labor’s franking credit changes, which will raise $57bn over a decade, are being stridently opposed by the Coalition, while crossbench parties have pledged to block the reform in the Senate even if Labor forms government after the 18 May election.

  277. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2019 11:09 am

    But that’s not going to help this person whose income I think is below the taxable threshold. So in their case the trust distributions would not be taxed anyway?

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2019 11:11 am

    It does not affect the wealthy only everyone under the 30%

    Is that because they earn so much that they actually PAY TAX?

  279. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2019 11:58 am

    The ALPs argument that this attack the super wealthy is bullshit

    Got a bridge for sale too?

  280. Knot`Comprehensive`Teabag permalink
    May 9, 2019 5:25 pm

    Those that already receive five and six figure franking credit refund gifts will have the cash to `rejig` their investments to continue to collect the gifts. Those that get a few hundred bucks to a few thousand bucks will be caught out. (The whales will swim free. The sardines will be harpooned.) While meaning well, blib stooten will end up hurting the poorer end of the situation.

  281. Walrus permalink
    May 9, 2019 5:36 pm

    “Such a strategy would involve having a balance of Equities and trusts….”

    Correct but also dont forget that some major ASX companies pay only partially franked dividends so an excess franking credit could be applied to their dividend as well

  282. Walrus permalink
    May 9, 2019 5:38 pm

    Tom R.that’s referring to franking credits not franking credit refunds. There is a difference you realise.

  283. Walrus permalink
    May 9, 2019 5:45 pm

    “But that’s not going to help this person whose income I think is below the taxable threshold. So in their case the trust distributions would not be taxed anyway?”

    That’s true at the zero rate not alot can be done in terms of investment mix.

    That’s because anyone below the tax threshold is regarded by the ALP as wealthy

    Anyway I doubt it will get through the Senate but as per ALP’s record they will spend the money anyway.

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2019 6:10 pm

    Timing is everything, hey?

    Wally and ToSY turn up when a Federal Election is on the doorstep … let’s start with an Aunt Sally question and get into it.

    Hilarious …

    That’s because anyone below the tax threshold is regarded by the ALP as wealthy

    Chuckle … and …

    Anyway I doubt it will get through the Senate but as per ALP’s record they will spend the money anyway.

    But …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/09/voters-think-crossbench-should-pass-labor-policies-if-shorten-wins-election-poll-finds

    So … did Malcolm Turnbull, place the million dollar bet for the ALP to win? 😉

  285. Blubber`Blubber`Teabag permalink
    May 9, 2019 6:21 pm

    record they will “ spend the money anyway

    So govt/s collecting tax should merely hoard it in treasury to drool over??

  286. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2019 6:32 pm

    “A new poll of 1,426 voters commissioned by the progressive think tank, the Australia Institute, finds 58% want Labor’s emissions target passed by the crossbench, including 48% of Coalition voters

    Lol.

  287. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2019 6:37 pm

    “Wally and ToSY turn up when a Federal Election is on the doorstep … let’s start with an Aunt Sally question and get into it.”

    Gee, you caught me red handed. Okay, I admit it. I’m a covert operative working for the Kremlin!

    You really do live in Lala Land, TB. Nothing’s changed. SMH

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2019 8:46 pm

    Likewise, ToSY .. LOL back at ya …

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2019 8:48 pm

    Ahhh … political investigative reporter for the Sydney Morning Herald … LOL!

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2019 8:50 pm

    Few hundred years late but welcome …

    Pope Francis has issued a new law requiring all Catholic priests and nuns around the world to report clergy sexual abuse and cover-ups by their superiors to church authorities, in a groundbreaking effort to hold the Catholic hierarchy accountable for failing to protect their flocks

    But will the sheep start bleating?

  291. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 9, 2019 9:20 pm

    “Hockey; `get the fcuk out or we`ll boot ya out`

    Detroit; `okay we`ll go`’

    U R a liar like all ALP supporters. Did u read the link? The phone call from Jacoby to head office was going on while Hockey was making his speech. What Hockey said had no effect on what happened

    Only a FOOL would believe a large multi national company would up and leave for no reason. U lefties make up stories to sooth your conscience Worse after telling lies and destroying our manufacturing industry u blame anybody but yourselves for the lives u destroy.

    If Shorten wins the next election this country deserves all the destruction the next ALP govt will bring

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2019 6:46 am

    The interpretation and imagination of the committed barrackers is far removed from reality.

  293. Rye`Zinger`Numbers`Teabag permalink
    May 10, 2019 7:03 am

    I`m lovin the spectacular OwnGoal from LimitedNews. By attacking his mother, blib stooten has finally gained popularity as a sympathetic character and Could be hammer thrown over the line by ruperts trolls.

  294. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2019 7:17 am

    That’s nice… the Greens man of the people candidate, Julian Burnside, has finally resigned from the men only Savage Club!! After 40 years of his membership of this most exclusive mens club, he said he was resinging after his efforts to modernise and increase diversity were unsuccessful!!

    Really? It took him 40 years to realise ?? What a complete bulls**t artist! Peddling bulls**t like that – he should do well in the Greens!

  295. Knothing`To`See`Here`Teabag permalink
    May 10, 2019 12:28 pm

    Years ago l said trainy trainy had become a ponzi scheme,

    `when l was a boy` disagreed,

    https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/cash-cows/11084858

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2019 2:31 pm

    Pity the pope’s bulletin st peter’s out after three years! Doesn’t require reporting to police! And leaves the confessional out!

    So what’s changed? Really?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Years ago l said trainy trainy had become a ponzi scheme,

    They all catch up eventually …

    I’m helping a guy with his Masters (Project Management) right now … the uni is in UK/Switzerland, the quality of assignments are a joke … and eight 3,000 word assignments and a 15,000 word dissertation is about a quarter of a BBus … expensive tho’ …

  297. Walrus permalink
    May 10, 2019 4:15 pm

    Funniest quote I’ve heard all year

    “We can deliver these bigger budget surpluses and the bigger investments of health and education while also assuming tax relief going forward,” Mr Bowen said.

    That is hilarious…………………..Bigger budget surpluses ROFLMAO

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2019 4:45 pm

    The obsession with surpluses avoids/fogs the bigger issue of low wages, lack of disposable income, leading to reduced spending and a slowing economy …

    No churn and no multiplier … no multiplier leads to stagnation and may lead to more dangerous stagflation …

  299. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 10, 2019 7:16 pm

    Howard was handed a trashed budget in 1996 with unemployment at 8%. By cutting spending he was running surplus budgets within 12 months. No problems occurred. In fact it lead to the best economic numbers for a generation by 2007.

  300. Watch`Em`All`Teabag permalink
    May 10, 2019 7:27 pm

    Not saying you`re wrong teebz, but DO YOU actually notice teabag-lite play into the `surplus-fog` just as often the teabags do?? Both teams are too willing and too often pushing the imbeciles delight of `debt` and surplus and deficit and the rest of the econobabble to frighten and appeal to the most ignorant. None of it is leadership. None of it provides vision for citizens or business.

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2019 8:19 am

    tbagz, DO YOU actually read my comments … I know most here don’t … or at least don’t comprehend their meaning … in fact many make shit up about them … its fun … actually …

  302. Add`it`up`Teabag permalink
    May 11, 2019 1:51 pm

    I DO notice the `team-fog` often means inHouse bloggers only think their comment applies to the `other-team` and are oblivious to the fact it applies equally to `their-team` as well. l DO notice that Legacy outlet staff pre-load questions to polly`s with lots of econobabble, triggering pollyWaffle answers chock full of econobabble that is utterly useless to viewers, so viewers hit their remote and change to footy or cricket.

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2019 4:34 pm

    Seems the “rolling mist” has dissipated … again? Weird …

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2019 9:36 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/all-black-tj-perenara-speaks-out-against-taniela-tupous-comments-following-israel-folau-saga/news-story/276bf5d77618769f06a22833b0d4f6d7

    Why has this shit become about religious freedom when some religious nutter decided to humiliate a whole range of people different to HIS BELIEFS!

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2019 11:26 am

    Has the government cut $14,000,000,000 from public schools?

    Misleading – says the ABC fact check

    Labor’s claim is misleading — again.

    Under the Coalition, public school funding has grown each year and is projected to continue that way over the forward estimates.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-12/federal-election-fact-check-coalition-cuts-public-school-funding/11084514

  306. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2019 5:12 pm

    One of the first lies i was told by ALP supporters was that Howard introduced a new rule. Work one hr/week and you are employed so unemployment fell under Howard because he changed the rules. Nobody could ever tell me when Howard did this. Turns out it is not true. One hr/week is an international definition used in all OECD countries. It is a definition codified by the ILO (International Labour Organisation)

    From page 9

    http://www.ilo.org/public/english/bureau/stat/download/articles/2007-1.pdf

    “The one-hour criterion

    For measuring the number of persons employed, employment is broadly defined in the labour force framework. The 13th ICLS Resolution stipulates that, for operational purposes, the notion of “some work” should be interpreted as work for at least one hour during the reference period. This means that engagement in an economic activity for as little as one hour is sufficient for a person to be classified as employed on the basis of the labour force framework. There are several inter-related reasons for the use of the one-hour criterion in the international definition of employment. One is to make this definition as broad as possible, in order to cover all types of employment that may exist in a given country, including short-time and part-time work, casual and temporary employment, stand-by work, employment in the informal sector and other types of informal employment, etc. Another reason is to ensure that at an aggregate level total labour inputs correspond to total production.”

  307. May 12, 2019 6:15 pm

    Funniest quote I’ve heard all year:

    “It is my vision for this country as your Prime Minister to keep the Promise of Australia to all Australians.”

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2019 9:27 am

    G’day Stranger

    please explain … Promise? what fkn Promise … the Land of Milk and Honey? Gawd’s Promise? The Promised Land?

    Promise? Halleluja! Happy Clappy Clappy shyte?

    NEEEEEEEEEL! It is a definition codified by the ILO (International Labour Organisation)

    WE ALL KNOW!

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2019 5:01 pm

    This election is boring. Apart from the Green eggs and coconut bashing.

    Also, TB, you can find out about the promise of Australia here.

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2019 6:30 pm

    Thanks SB …

    Explains all from the “failed” marketing “exec” …

    From SB’s link …

    Morriscum has Stolen the term “ The Promise of Australia” from Bob Hawkes (sic) amazing Election Speech of 1987 , but he has Not Promised anything to the 96% of Australians ! He can not come up with Anything Original what a Tosser !

    Where the bloody hell are the policies … SloMo … in committee, under review, being analysed, being considered … etc etc …

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2019 6:52 pm

    Howard is like a rabid dog! Sickening man!

  312. Soylent`Era`Teabag permalink
    May 13, 2019 6:53 pm

    K

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2019 6:53 pm

    Ooops! Sickening thing!

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2019 12:14 pm

    I see TB, the bitterness continues

    Howard makes a fair point, about what the ALP calls “the big end of town”

    Most of those that will be hit by the taxation changes are middle class. Hardly the “big endof town”

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 1:03 pm

    So its not a new tax then?

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 1:05 pm

    Most of those that will be hit by the taxation changes are middle class. Hardly the “big endof town”

    Your evidence?

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 1:08 pm

    I’ve got some but ’tis au contraire …

  318. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2019 1:10 pm

    Your evidence?

    Genuine self funded retirees are hardly “the big end if town”

  319. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2019 3:11 pm

    Genuine self funded retirees are hardly “the big end if town”

    Franking Credit changes is hardly the only policy on offer, in case you hadn’t been paying attention 😉

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 3:23 pm

    Genuine self funded retirees are hardly “the big end if town”

    Not arguing that … but …

    Most of those that will be hit by the taxation changes are middle class.

    Your evidence?

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 3:43 pm

    Haha … so what relation is The Lying Rodent, ToM? I just read what he said about Bill Shorten … almost word for word what you wrote … you’ve always done “plagiarism” well … 🙂

  322. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2019 6:00 pm

    Shorten’s “top end of town” are retired people. That’s who he is targeting

    What a hero

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 6:21 pm

    You have evidence?

    You do know what hyperbole means?

  324. Warez`Mie`Teabag permalink
    May 14, 2019 6:23 pm

    Somebody is making his non-point without evidence-links as usual. While blib stooten remains underwhelming, it is great that he frightens the fcuk out of teabags outside `and` inHouse, with great big scary scary `no tax cheques for self managed fund` welfare recipients with squillions in loot stashed away with accounting tricks.

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 6:27 pm

    ToM … what do you think about this … ?

    I have already made a statement. It is not my view that’s the case. My faith is about the – God’s love is for everybody.

    That is what I have always believed.

    I found it very disappointing that without even prompting he sought to try and politicise this. And seek to exploit opportunity for it. I thought that was very disappointing.

    I don’t think that should have a place in this election campaign. People’s faith are people’s faith.

    I’m not running for pope, I’m running for prime minister.

    So, you know, theological questions you can leave at the door.

    Question: Do you believe … [gay people go to hell]

    Morrison: I just said no, I don’t.

    Question: Why didn’t you say that when you were asked yesterday?

  326. Guzzle`Guzzle`Teabag permalink
    May 14, 2019 6:52 pm

    But what`s ya point teebz. lt is common knowledge both team leaders are untrustworthy and afflicted with skyfairy. They both lead teams that have peddled trickle down rubishnomics that denies first year high school finance class. The current wreckage in country/world has been created and/or maintained by both teams. Neither team has any solution to anything. lf you don`t drink the koolaide.

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 9:33 pm

    You need to get out of the park more, tbagz … ToM does – apparently – I think he’s gone back to the surf tho’ …

    Can you provide evidence of untrustworthy? oh the change of PM’s … forgot your obsession … carry on …

    I’m just waiting for “evidence” from ToM

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2019 9:42 pm

    Seems it was Bill Shorten’s fault that SloMo didn’t answer a question about gays in hell yesterday … fkn bigot … just ask ToM!

  329. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2019 12:46 am

    As the population ages people must have certainty about their financial planning. Otherwise many won’t bother to provide for their retirement. They then default to the government pension.

    The ALP could have grandfathered, or phased the changes but they’ve chosen to take the sledge hammer to retirement planning.

    That’s the ALP for you, because if you try not to rely on the government, you’re “the top end of town”.

  330. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2019 1:02 am

    This is an interesting way to get the orientation of independents that align with your own political orientation.

    But I voted a couple of weeks ago…

    https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/hawke-backs-shorten-as-consensus-leader-in-new-open-letter-20190514-p51nbm.html

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2019 1:12 am

    Well…. the vote guide was on that page somewhere…

    As for Hawke’s endorsement of Shorten… many union officials were of an entitely different standard and ethic a generation ago.

  332. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2019 8:50 am

    Shorten’s “top end of town” are retired people. That’s who he is targeting

    https://www.alp.org.au/policies/standing-up-for-pensioners/

    yep, seems yer right. Is this the top end of town you are referring to?

    https://www.alp.org.au/policies/labors-plan-for-making-multinationals-pay-their-fair-share/
    https://www.alp.org.au/policies/labors-banking-fairness-fund/
    https://www.alp.org.au/policies/reforming-negative-gearing-and-capital-gains-tax-arrangements/

    Or are you unable to focus on more than one thing at a time?

  333. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2019 9:12 am

    Yep, Shorten and the ALP target fully self funded retirees in the same way he targets tax avoiding multinationals.

    Shorten’s “top end of town” includes anyone that is outside the demographics of an ALP voter

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 9:55 am

    Shorten’s “top end of town” includes anyone that is outside the demographics of an ALP voter

    And just what is that?

  335. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2019 9:57 am

    Shorten and the ALP target fully self funded retirees in the same way he targets tax avoiding multinationals.

    Labor are taking away Franking Credits from multi nationals?

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 10:09 am

    Retired now are we …

    As the population ages people must have certainty about their financial planning.

    I agree … but after I retired you managed to elect a couple of fuckwits called Leaner Hockey and Leanherr Cormann … and I had to run around re-organising MY super … get used to it …

    As for… giving handouts of other people’s hard earned tax to the top 20% … read on …

    “Franking credits benefit households in the top 20% of income and wealth distribution considerably more than other households,” the analysis says. “While these households often have low taxable incomes, they tend to have large wealth balances or be in households with high incomes, even when the individual affected has a low income.”</blockquote

    And you do know what bunkum means, ToM?

    A new analysis of Labor’s tax policies says the proposed overhaul of franking credits, changes to negative gearing, trusts and capital gains tax if Bill Shorten wins the election on 18 May will have a negligible impact on the bottom 50% of households in Australia measured by income and wealth.

    While the Morrison government has played up the negative impact of revenue measures, particularly franking credits, on self-funded retirees with modest incomes, the distributional analysis of Labor’s tax measures by the Australian National University’s Centre for Social Research and Methods says that’s largely bunkum.

    Find the link yourself … you rarely provide one … just your opinionated comments …

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2019 11:33 am

    I am sure lots of low income or even unemployed people have some Telstra shares. They will be affected by labors policy

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 12:17 pm

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  339. Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2019 12:53 pm

    Good to see TB still has absolutely no idea how the franking system works. I doubt he’d be able to work out what to put in the box of a tax return

  340. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2019 1:36 pm

    Can you explain to us how the franking system is the same as labors banking fairness fund wally?

    yomm doesn’t seem to be able to

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 2:03 pm

    Good to see Wally still misses the point …

    “Franking credits benefit households in the top 20% of income and wealth distribution considerably more than other households,” the analysis says.

    There’s a box for your tax return? Last time I did a tax return was online … Wally must still use cheques to pay his bills …

    Where do they keep this box? 🙂 🙂

  342. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2019 2:26 pm

    Yes, the top end of town… people that don’t rely in government pensions for retirement.

    Outside the prejudices of the ALP, they are known as “middle class”

  343. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2019 2:47 pm

    people that don’t rely in government pensions for retirement.

    seems ‘self funded’ retirees actually rely (lol) on a Government “pension” to survive (if you believe the stories from yachts)

  344. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 3:40 pm

    Gee, ToM, your bias, prejudice and ignorance are really showing today …

    So, let’s get this clear … anyone who receives an age pension has to be “working class”?

    Anyone who is a self funded retiree … is “middle class” …

    And anyone who wouldn’t give a shit is “upper class”

    What about all those in between that fall through the cracks of your little “theory”?

    Fkn “classes” – it’s 2019 in Australia! It’s not fkn 1919 in Europe …

    Get those kids out’ owt’ primary school and down’t mines reet now, lad!

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 3:54 pm

    Yes, the top end of town… people that don’t rely in government pensions for retirement.

    And had the LNP governmnets of past and p/p/present stuck with Keating’s original plan of raising super contributions there would be more at the “top end of town” – as you quantly call it … as it is many more have to rely on a pension …

    BTW, the first Baby Boomers born in 1946 worked and paid taxes – including the promise of an age pension – until 1992 … that’s 46 years … take off 16 years (growing up) that’s 30 years first Baby Boomers reached pension age (65) in 2011 … just 19 years after Compulsory Superannuation began @ 3% …

    Mr Keating resigned as treasurer in June 1991 and then in July gave an attention-grabbing speech on superannuation.

    His proposal was for a retirement income scheme for all “based on the aged pension and… augmented by a privately funded and employment related national superannuation scheme fuelled by a fully mature level of contributions”

    “Such a scheme would maintain the age and service pensions as the foundation of equity and adequacy in retirement income arrangements, but be complemented by the income of private superannuation with the dual systems integrated through to tax and social security systems,” Mr Keating said.

    Mr Keating proposed compulsory superannuation payments, phasing up to 12 per cent of income over a decade.

    The superannuation guarantee charge was announced in the Hawke government’s 1991-92 Budget, handed down in August 1991 by treasurer John Kerin.

    “Superannuation is the cornerstone of encouraging greater self-provision”, Mr Kerin said at the time.

    “That will help improve retirement living standards and will reduce the budgetary cost of the pension system as the population ages into the next century.”

    At the release of an information paper a few months later, Mr Kerin said that “[t]he age pension will, of course, remain to provide retirement income security for those who have not had the opportunity to save during their working lives”.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-18/fact-check-was-super-designed-to-get-people-off-the-pension/6923582

    Do some research instead of listening the dodgy fake electioneering from the Happy Clappy Churchgoers and Fryburger …

    You can fool yer mates …

  346. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2019 4:50 pm

    “And had the LNP governmnets of past and p/p/present stuck with Keating’s original plan of raising super contributions there would be more at the “top end of town”

    It is not working. You are allowed to own your own home without it affecting your pension apparently. So when retiring people cash in their Super and buy homes they cannot normally afford and then go on the pension.

  347. May 15, 2019 5:03 pm

    For those having a sook over Labor’s proposed franking credits reforms, you may be interested to know that 53% of those affected have superannuation balances of some $2.5million and above while an additional 18% have balances between $1.5million and $2.5million.

    But please, tell me once again how these so-called “self-funded retirees” need a tax-payer funded handout to supplement their retirement lifestyle..*

    *Keep in mind that someone with a super fund balance of $2.5m would be comfortably earning an annual tax-free income of around $130,000…

    I’m all ears…

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 6:03 pm

    I’m agog!*

    For the uneducated surfers amongst us …

    * adjective: agog

    very eager or curious to hear or see something.

  349. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 6:45 pm

    THIS IS BLACKMAIL! A criminal offence! The workers are entitled to thier pay under “no duress” … this abhorrent dickwit needs to be in jail!

    Instead the LNP are preferencing his votes …

    Former Queensland Nickel workers are being told to sign a document gagging them from making any disparaging comments about Clive Palmer in exchange for receiving their outstanding entitlements.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/15/clive-palmer-gag-clause-qn-workers-told-to-make-no-disparaging-comments-if-they-want-entitlement

  350. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2019 7:45 pm

    I’m calling this in from the back deck of my yacht.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/M1YCK9DoC7CW919r6

    I piss on your franking credits.

  351. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2019 7:47 pm

    Hmmm. I think I’m in moderation. Mhave been the picture of my yacht what done it.

  352. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2019 7:59 pm

    I have just been blocked from Twitter. They want my telephone number to be unblocked. I do not want to give Twitter my telephone number. Can anybody help me out? I want to post on Twitter but i do not want to give them my telephone number

  353. May 15, 2019 9:44 pm

    “I do not want to give Twitter my telephone number.”

    Try giving them your bank account number and date of birth. I’ve heard that works.

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2019 10:03 pm

    LOL!

  355. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2019 10:23 pm

    Wow. I has a second email addres so i rejoined Twitter. Made about 10 posts and was blocked within 5 minutes of joining and all my posts were deleted. Twitter seems to be controlled by lefties.

    Same thing again. They want my telephone number to continue posting

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2019 12:40 am

    People should be able to make retirement plans, and political parties should ensure there is an orderly, phased process of change. But the ALP just uses a sledge hammer.

  357. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2019 8:37 am

    lol, stopping a tax rort is a ‘sledge hammer’ lol

    The yacht market will crumble

    Is telling the automotive industry to piss off, and selling our submarine jobs out from under the feet of workers a ‘sledge hammer’?

  358. Tony permalink
    May 16, 2019 9:07 am

    My yacht could require some minor repairs at some stage.

  359. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2019 9:52 am

    My yacht could require some minor repairs at some stage.

    Did you take wally out for a cruise?

  360. Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2019 9:59 am

    “But please, tell me once again how these so-called “self-funded retirees” need a tax-payer funded handout to supplement their retirement lifestyle..*..””

    I dont know where you got your figures from but yet again you display complete ignorance of the Franking Credit System. People with large balances benefit from the Franking System (as introduced by Keating) but in so far as cash refunds are concerned they ARE NOT AFFECTED.

    How many times do I have to point out that the ALP policy on Franking Credits only affects those on average tax rates of 30% or lower.

    But just keep on talking crap you seem to find some amusement in it

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:00 am

    People should be able to make retirement plans, and political parties should ensure there is an orderly, phased process of change.

    You do know that Hockey/Cormann introduced deeming of super – accounts based pensions in, 2015?

    Did you read any of my comments? ‘Course not …

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:05 am

    Wally, see above … (May 15, 2019 10:09 am) but I’ll repeat it for the slow of comprehension …

    “Franking credits benefit households in the top 20% of income and wealth distribution considerably more than other households,” the analysis says. “While these households often have low taxable incomes, they tend to have large wealth balances or be in households with high incomes, even when the individual affected has a low income.”

    A new analysis of Labor’s tax policies says the proposed overhaul of franking credits, changes to negative gearing, trusts and capital gains tax if Bill Shorten wins the election on 18 May will have a negligible impact on the bottom 50% of households in Australia measured by income and wealth.

    While the Morrison government has played up the negative impact of revenue measures, particularly franking credits, on self-funded retirees with modest incomes, the distributional analysis of Labor’s tax measures by the Australian National University’s Centre for Social Research and Methods says that’s largely bunkum.

    Think I trust the ANU analysis rather than a conflicted Liberal CPA …

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:09 am

    Wally – no good hiding behind, ivi’s gravatar … 🙂

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:20 am

    Wally, if you like charts (managers do not sure about bean counters) …

    https://theconversation.com/at-last-an-answer-to-the-5-billion-question-who-gets-the-imputation-cheques-labor-will-take-away-117075

    Its so simple when you start to look with an unbiased expectation … even if it may impact you … (eg me and mine) …

  365. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:35 am

    Seems wally is behind the times, again 😉

  366. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:59 am

    TomR

    https://www.news.com.au/meet-the-executive-who-shut-holdens-factory-stefan-jacoby/news-story/51ddb0f3d6e977903faedef879896c5f

    “Mr Jacoby also said the highly publicised outburst from Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time, calling on Holden to “come clean” with its decision, had no impact on the outcome – because the phone conference to decide Holden’s fate was happening at the same time.
    “I proposed the decision and … the final approval came from the board,” Mr Jacoby told Australian media at the Detroit motor show.”

  367. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:10 am

    so, it was …………. coincidence 😉

    right

    tell, me, did GMH still want to sell cars in the country?

    yea, sure they’d start a war with the government

    have you given twitter your number yet? 😉

  368. Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:15 am

    “Think I trust the ANU analysis rather than a conflicted Liberal CPA …”

    Of course you would.

    But if it only affects all those wealthy types why dont they simply put a threshold in place where a certain amount of franking refunds is capped.

    Answer because their analysis is Bullshit

  369. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:15 am

    “”We understand also that this decision has an impact on the entire automotive industry in Australia,” said Mr Jacoby.
    “Local production, even if would be a pure assembly (operation) doesn’t make any sense.
    “Our business is driven by scale of economics, of productivity, of an efficient supplier industry … optimised logistics … Australia is just too small in these scales.”
    Mr Jacoby said “I really reject … to say we demand something from the government” because the decision to close the factories would have happened any way.
    “The decision was not made on any (government) incentives or any reduction of incentives”, said Mr Jacoby.He said the Federal Government’s proposed Free Trade Agreements had an impact on the Holden shutdown.
    “If you just see these rationales, (manufacturing in) Australia doesn’t make sense when you put this in a global context,” said Mr Jacoby.”

  370. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:42 am

    But if it only affects all those wealthy types why dont they simply put a threshold in place where a certain amount of franking refunds is capped.

    Simple answer is

    It’ll exempt charities, non-profits, pensioners and part pensioners and other Australians on government allowances, including future pensioners. Self-managed super funds that had pensioner members at the time Labor announced its policy will also be spared.

  371. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:57 am

    Anybody with telstra shares will be affected. Lots of Mum and dad investors bought telstra shares and get a few hundred dollars extra when they put in their tax return.

    But i really wonder what ALP supporters would say if it was a Coalition policy? My experience is that the answer given by labor supporters to any question depends on which political party brings in the new policy.

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:57 am

    Answer because their analysis is Bullshit

    Could you provide your analysis source, please?

  373. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 1:32 pm

    Back on the pension/Superannuation topic.

    My understanding is that you can own your own home without it affecting your pension no matter how much it is worth.

    So people are cashing in their Super, buying homes they cannot afford and then go on a round the world trip is any money is left and then go on the pension. So Labors great idea is not working

  374. Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2019 1:35 pm

    Exactly NoS

  375. Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2019 1:49 pm

    The couples pension per annum is $32,386

    A couple with a portfolio of share worth say $647,712 with a return of 5% including the franking credit would receive net dividends during the year of $22,670. If they then claim their franking credits they would receive $9,718 to match the couple on the pension $32,388

    Under the ALP they are worse off by $9,718.

    So now they have to live on $22,670.

    So liquidate the shares and spend it then go on the pension.

    But these idiots dont understand that. They keep bleating about franking credits going to the wealthy which wont change as the wealthy will be in a tax bracket above 30% so they pay tax anyway and get their franking credits.

    Its all about Class Warfare with this lot.

    They dont get the fact that Poor people employ fucking no one

  376. Tom R permalink
    May 16, 2019 2:39 pm

    Exactly NoS

    I think I can pinpoint exactly where you went wrong

  377. May 16, 2019 2:50 pm

    “”I think I can pinpoint exactly where you went wrong””

    😆 😆 😆

  378. May 16, 2019 3:01 pm

    Crikey has released all their election coverage articles from behind the paywall, so it’s all free to read..

    There you go Walrus, I know you’ll be thrilled…

    https://www.crikey.com.au/

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 3:36 pm

    The couples pension per annum is $32,386

    Wrong … full pension for a couple $36,302 pa

    So liquidate the shares and spend it then go on the pension … $647,712

    Wrong … keep the shares and get a part pension around $260 per fortnight each over $13,000 pa … (or any other investment … preferably superannuation – better pension $290)

    Its all about Class Warfare with this lot.

    True … you are talking about the Liberal/national “coalition” of course …

    They dont get the fact that Poor people employ fucking no one

    WTF does that even mean? Poor people don’t drive cars either according to Leaner Hockey … duh!

  380. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 3:40 pm

    Answer because their analysis is Bullshit

    Could you provide your analysis source, please?

    Obviously you don’t have one and you obviously aren’t in touch with super/age pension structures …

  381. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 3:54 pm

    Is that true? I would think that anybody with $647,000 worth of shares would not be able to get the pension. I think u can have $250,000 in cash and/or shares before your pension is affected

  382. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 4:44 pm

    Is that true? I would think that anybody with $647,000 worth of shares would not be able to get the pension.

    Did you read my fkn comment? FMD! whewww! I need a bandage …

    See how BS gets around … annoys the shit out of me …

    For the really slow of comprehension! (Read understanding)

    “””” Wrong … keep the shares and get a part pension around $260 per fortnight each over $13,000 pa … (or any other investment … preferably superannuation – better pension $290) “””””

  383. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 4:45 pm

    NEEEEEEEL! Find a calculator … on the interwebby thingy!

  384. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 4:56 pm

    Yes i read your comment. i find it hard to believe that anybody with $647,000 in shares and/or cash who owns their own home would still be able to get a pension.

    I base my statement on the fact that 80=90% of things ALP supporters say is wrong

  385. Tony permalink
    May 16, 2019 8:48 pm

    If the Libs had any chance, they can’t win now. Bob Hawke’s passing will have saturation coverage. People will remember him with affection and Labor will benefit at the ballot box.

  386. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2019 9:53 pm

    I base my statement on the fact that 80=90% of things ALP supporters say is wrong

    Don’t take my word for it … find a calculator …

  387. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:30 pm

    Tb why do you not give me a link?

  388. Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:31 pm

    Yes Tosy I agree

    Thank God their are no children in Australia living in poverty

    But perhaps the Hawke policy of inclusion contrasts with Class Warfare

    TB you are as usual placing people on the pension when they are happily independent

    You seriously are an idiot

  389. Tony permalink
    May 16, 2019 10:44 pm

    Bill Shorten: Bob Hawke was s friend of mine.

    Everybody else: You, sir, are no Bob Hawke.

  390. Tony permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:01 pm

    There’s an eight page wraparound cover devoted to Hawke in tomorrow’s Daily Telegraph. The Liberals are fucked!

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:21 pm

    What did Bob hawke do? I cannot think of anything

  392. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2019 11:23 pm

    Actually i can. He sided with Ansett and used the military to destroy the unions or something like that. Ansett no longer exists

  393. Know`Counting`Teabag permalink
    May 17, 2019 12:35 am

    Sorry tinfoil`osy, the ghost of bob hawke won`t be hammer throwing blib stooten over the line. 30% of us have already voted (yes,me+mum). Team katter has already cut a deal to join/back team teabag. ln tassie team dishwater look set to lose two seats to team teabag. The teabumpkins and teabags may be being molested elsewhere, mostly by indys/others, not blib stooten. ln two seats the greenz are the serious challenge, not blib stooten.

    The echo chambers that are so certain blib stooten will win, are the same echo chambers that were certain about hillary! (-:

  394. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2019 3:28 am

    You, sir, are no Bob Hawke.

    Hilarious and so true!

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2019 8:09 am

    I’m an idiot?

    TB you are as usual placing people on the pension when they are happily independent

    You seriously are an idiot

    “These” people are getting a taxpayer handout … that’s not “independent” …

    I’m, the idiot?

  396. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2019 8:55 am

    People will remember him with affection and Labor will benefit at the ballot box.

    The libs were already faarked tosy

    Of course, this will be their excuse, not their 12th century policies

  397. Tom R permalink
    May 17, 2019 8:57 am

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2019 10:09 am

    ‘Cause its really easy to find yourself …

    https://www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/services/centrelink/age-pension/eligibility/assets-test/assets#assetstestlimits

    A couple – homeowners – can have $387,500, non-homeowners $594,500

    After that, the pension is reduced $3 per $1000 fortnight (age pension is sent every fortnight)

    http://guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/4/2/3

    So the fortnightly pension of $1396 per couple is reduced by $30 if you have $10,000 over the limit above.

    Enjoy …

  399. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2019 10:34 am

    NEEEEEEL!

    $647,000 – $387,000 = $260,000

    260 x $3 = $780

    Full pension couple with home = $1396.00 pf – $780 = $616 pf = $16,016 pa per couple

    Note: Other assets will affect this figure including car, bank A/C, yachts and beach-houses etc …

    Shimples …

  400. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2019 10:52 am

    Thanks

    And a couple can have $853,000 cash/shares before they lose the pension. But for a lot of people they will only want to have $387,500 in the bank because they will lose the full pension if they go over that.

    So some people will be tempted to cash in their Super, buy a more expensive home and have money in the bank under $387,500 and get the full pension. So keatings idea of replacing the pension with Super is not really working. If retirees lose their franking credits that will be even more incentive to cash in Super and buy a nicer home.

    That is what i might do when i retire. Why have lots of money in the bank and lose the pension when u could use that money to buy a nicer home?

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2019 11:42 am

    So keatings idea of replacing the pension

    That was not Keatings “plan” … and even if it was, the Liberal Party has thwarted all attempts to raise the percentage of compulsory superannuation …

    People will always “play the system” … that’s why they are so upset about losing the franking credit tax rebate … WHEN THEY DON’T PAY TAX!

    My home is fine, has been for 35 years …

    Some people have a need to buy yachts and expensive cars and caravans and additional houses but unfortunately they are assets and included in the assets test … poor them … hey?

  402. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2019 2:31 pm

    I thought it was keatings plan for Super to replace the pension. And the fact that people will always play the system is why ALP policies fail. Labor assumes people are honest.

    But why not? If you have $500,000 in Super that will affect your pension. So cash it in and buy a home $500,000 more expensive than you could afford and then go on the pension. Your link says a couple who own their home can have $387,000 in cash/shares and still get a full pension

  403. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2019 3:13 pm

    So what’s your answer … ?

    Remember these are people that have contributed to Australia for a lifetime in a variety of ways and for different lengths of time (ie I started full-time work at 14) … there is a few age pension alternatives around … eg

    > A Universal Income that all adults get – no strings and you can build on that for the future …

    > The Kiwi approach – everyone who turns 65 gets a full pension – no questions asked

    > The Nordic System https://norden.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:968720/FULLTEXT01.pdf

    > UK, Canada or USA https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/age-pensions-around-the-world/5388102

    > The Australian Age Pension/Super System …

    Let us know what you think in a couple of weeks … 🙂

Go on say something, you'll feel better...

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: