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May 18, 2019

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  1. May 18, 2019 5:01 pm

    The excitement is building!

  2. May 18, 2019 5:02 pm

    The only words I want to hear from Scott Morrison tonight:

    “A few moments ago I called Bill Shorten…”

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2019 6:00 pm

    It is?

    Actually, The Minister, is preparing a finger food dinner for the ABC election presentation this evening – easier to watch and guzzle, apparently … I’ve got the local police and ambulance number pre-programmed in my Nokia mobile (updated to Android 9 Pie just today!) … I have no idea what she may do if the LNP Rabble slip over the line … I’m comfortable either way … the Coalition’ll have far less passion than, The Minister, and just wobble along as usual …

    Clink!

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2019 6:00 pm

    Noice Bingo Card BTW – already printed! Hic!

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2019 6:02 pm

    Whoo … the bewitching hour 18:00 in the land of sunshine (except at night then its starshine) … he-e-e-e-e-re we go!

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2019 6:04 pm

    First Exit Poll Labor 52 – ‘Tothers 48

  7. May 18, 2019 6:52 pm

    Looking forward (hopefully) to seeing Dutton and Abbott booted from their seats..

    *clink*

  8. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2019 8:11 pm

    Yes, Abbott has lost. What a famous victory!

  9. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2019 8:47 pm

    It’s odd. Sportsbet paid out bets on Labor the other day, yet their current odds are Coalition 1.18 and Labor 4.50. (They haven’t paid out my bet on the coalition at 5.50, so there’s that.)

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2019 9:01 pm

    So we’re stuck with fuckwit Howarth for another four years … so we are now surrounded by fuckwits and Sikhs – temple up the road annoyed the shit out of us all day on Mother’s Day! Loudspeaker rantings and Gupta music …

  11. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2019 9:39 pm

    Dammit! Dutton won. Oh well, one out of two ain’t bad.

  12. Cheer`Up`Teabags permalink
    May 18, 2019 9:44 pm

    There was 1.5mill mail votes and 4.7mill pre-poles, which is over 1/4 and nearly 1/3 of the votes. There will still be some time before some of the seats will be decided. There is no way to foresee outcomes

    and all we can do is listen to hillary predictors from the Legacy outlets.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2019 9:50 pm

    Climate change – buggered

    Tax multinationals – buggered

    Remove taxpayer subsidies – buggered

    First home buyers – buggered

    Renewable energy – buggered

    I suppose that’s enough …

    Over the next three years – “I didn’t vote for ’em”, will become a catch-cry

    2020 and the next GFC looms … let’s see how good the economic managers are then – I’ll be in cash!

    Astounding stuff!

  14. Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2019 10:02 pm

    ROTFLMAO

    Suck it up losers

    Something about counting chickens LOL

  15. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2019 10:20 pm

    But but but Abbott’s lost. Do that’s all that matters.

  16. Know`Counting`Teabag permalink
    May 18, 2019 10:29 pm

    You might not want to bleat so hard. The team dishwater vote collapsed to 24% a few weeks ago in bananaland.

  17. More`Excuses`Teabag permalink
    May 18, 2019 11:15 pm

    No sign of blib stooten yet (11pm), he must of done a hillary and went down like a sack of crap behind the scenes. Coming soon, but,but,but, rusher meddled! .. comey shived me! .. manning hacked my emails! .. lts all twitters fault!

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2019 12:22 am

    That’s a surprise!

    I see that Tanya P is complaining about the libs getting preferences from One Nation and Palmer… I didn’t notice her commenting on the help the ALP gets from GetUp and Greens.

    Quite a non event really. Does anyone feel sympathy for Shoten? Or Abbott? **sound od crickets**

  19. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2019 7:28 am

    Yomm, GetUps not a political party (just in case that had escaped your notice)

    The libs also get a little bit of help from the Nats.

    But, the thing that really won it, was Australians Fear, Racism and Greed. Simple really.

    We can blame palmer, msm and libs for their lies and subterfuge, but that only works if the voters want it to, and they wanted it to.

    I think the libs will regret this, should the unfolding trade war between the US and China go it’s full expectations

    However, Australia will regret it more. And watching the numbnuts who voted for palmer etal gnashing their teeth at how they’ve been tricked; again, will be cold comfort.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2019 8:03 am

    All the talk about the Greensor independents having a chance in Kooyong, Higgin, Goldstein, Flinders etc, didn’t amount to much.

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2019 8:05 am

    Tom R… I really don’t think the media etc is to blame. People just don’t want a government with Shorten as PM.

    Morrison is exceptionally dull and uninspiring but people don’t resent him.

  22. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2019 8:43 am

    There must be a reason other than Shorten was a piss weak candidate. Hillary lost to Trump because he colluded with the Russians. Clearly something similar has happened here.

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 8:53 am

    Was this really about Shorten? Or as TR put it Greed – (falsely understood BTW) …

    Time to move on … will make no difference to me personally but a lot of people may come to regret their collective decisions in the next couple of years …

    You can lead people to thought but you can’t make them think © TB 2005 – 2019

    Does anyone know where Melissa Price is yet ? Cause the planet is still dying … and she still received 65% of the vote … nothing sane about this election …

  24. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:00 am

    No, it wasn’t about Shorten. It was about voters rejecting Labor’s radical green-left agenda. I hope Labor keeps putting climate change at the head of their policy platform because sane practical voters won’t go for it.

  25. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:14 am

    “will make no difference to me personally“

    Well that’s all that matters.

    It *will* affect me personally – for the better. What a lovely day.

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:20 am

    As Chris Bowen said – if you don’t like it, don’t vote for us…

    I think lots of people took up his suggestion

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:24 am

    Well that’s all that matters.

    Mmmmmm … nothing changes, nothing is new …

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:25 am

    I think lots of people took up his suggestion

    Well enough did, ToM … but were you surprised or not?

    A certain Prof at Griffith Uni will be more than chuckling … and in high demand I suspect …

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:33 am

    I expected ALP to win. I thought the Libs were so divided and without direction, even Shorten would seem acceptable by comparison.

    But there we are, I was wrong.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:40 am

    Yates got 10% in Kooyong, Burnside, a little over 20% , the media presented both as likely winners.

    Incompetent rather than biased.

  31. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:55 am

    It was a ‘surprise’ and a ‘shock’ because the so-called experts and the opinion polls got it completely wrong. Whereas the voters knew what they wanted, – and they got it.

  32. May 19, 2019 9:57 am

    “I expected ALP to win. I thought the Libs were so divided and without direction, even Shorten would seem acceptable by comparison.
    But there we are, I was wrong.”

    That’s how I feel too.

    I can’t believe people preferred the bloke god-botherer. But there you go.

    I blame QLD.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 11:48 am

    I blame QLD

    Me too … really!

    Next the dopey pricks’ll want to secede from the Commonwealth/Federation!

  34. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2019 1:34 pm

    But there we are, I was wrong

    Seems a lot were

    I did read an article (no idea who by) a few weeks ago, after palmer etal did the deal, that this changed everything.

    And a few people showing the choices in queensland, it was described by someone on twitter (I think) as basically gerrymandering through lack of choice, there was Labor and Greens on the ticket, and about 7 or 8 other choices, all of them hard right (including the libs)

    So not matter what, some hard right party got a third place, and, from preferences, everything seemed to roll back to the libs.

    They flooded the market

    Not sure how it felt to you TB trying to fill the card out?

    Mind you, almost everywhere, trends went back to the libs. It was like the last three years hadn’t happened?

    I don’t watch that much tele or read the newspapers, but I do see enough to know that fairfax and abc are now almost to the point ltdnews was over a decade ago, and that was bad then.

    So many negatives for Labor on all fronts, with no respite.

    Interesting to see what they do now though? Let Albo off the leash and try an abbott period from opposition?

    I can tell you right now, abbotts only worked because of the murdoch support, for Labor, it would be a massive mistake.

  35. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2019 4:29 pm

    Whereas the voters knew what they wanted, – and they got it.

    I disagree. I’m sure they know what they wanted, but it aint what they got.

    How the country could vote for nats after what they did to the river system beats me (let’s not start with education, nbn or health for the country), and buggered if I’ll shed a tear next time they go through a drought with their sticky maws out.

    Sowed it, reap it!

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2019 6:02 pm

    NBN for countries areas? Well TomR Howard had signed contracts with Optus/Opel to bring broadband to the bush but Rudd/Conroy broke the signed contracts because they did not like Howard.

    And Coalition has made no changes to labors NBN policy for regional Australia. Those areas get fixed wireless and/or satellite. Coalition only changed fixed line policy. But u are partially correct. Some areas were going to get FTTP but installition in some homes was costing $90,000/premise in rural areas so the Coalition put them onto fixed wireless

  37. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2019 6:07 pm

    “I disagree. I’m sure they know what they wanted, but it aint what they got.”

    I see. So they wanted Labor but still voted for the Coalition. We need a new electorate.

  38. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2019 6:24 pm

    No tosy, they voted for promises from this mob that they cannot/will not deliver.

    Like action on climate change, support for public hospitals and public schools. Higher wages. Protecting the Murray Darling river system ROFL

    We know they are lying, because they promised it last time, and killed it.

  39. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2019 6:32 pm

    Okay, so the voters were sucked in. The stoopid electorate is to blame.

  40. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2019 6:37 pm

    The stoopid electorate is to blame.

    I thought I was pretty clear about that above.

    We are a nation of Greedy, Frightened Racists, stocked in the flames of murdochs vitriol.

    They fell for the false fantasy of ‘get a go’, whilst feeding them a blatantly bullshit scare campaign.

    We got what we deserved.

  41. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2019 6:40 pm

    We got what we voted for. You are in the minority. Get over it.

  42. Saw`It`Coming`Teabags permalink
    May 19, 2019 7:02 pm

    with ” their sticky maws out. Sowed it, reap it! ”

    Agree. l`ve felt the same way about the teabumpkins for decades after they drove away their own work(consumer)force.

    ____

    Everybody is suffering shock`n awe because they don`t realize the dishwater membership is disfunctional and will continue to send `their-guy` into the boxing with his hands tied behind his back, then are surprised he ends-up on the canvas. Last election(2016) told you folks if they run blib stooten again they would get a similar result.

    For NEXT election

    Labor(members) still has not worked out (any other KNIFER) cannot be sold to knifed JG voters and knifed KR voters.

    My bet is the membership will continue down the road of `death by a thousand cuts` and Not clean house.

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 7:18 pm

    I see a lot of “I told you so” coming up …

    This mob has screwed Australians for the last six years and Howard before them … and they want more … astounding … its like watching half a nation with Helsinki Syndrome …

    And the plot continues … all over the world …

    The good book says … “You reap what you sow” … as far as I’m concerned wear the shit you are about to receive …

  44. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2019 7:39 pm

    Labor should dissolve the people and elect another.

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 7:45 pm

    Labor should dissolve the people and elect another.

    Snow Town Syndrome?

  46. Wrong`Again`Teabag permalink
    May 19, 2019 8:01 pm

    with ” Helsinki Syndrome”

    Try `fixation` (but you won`t like it)

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2019 8:10 pm

    This mob has screwed Australians for the last six years and Howard before them

    Really? How? Rudd in 2007 was handed a budget with a $20B surplus. Within 12 months Labor had turned it into a $27B deficit and we have been in budget deficit ever since. Labor then dropped our borders and locked up 50,000 boat people costing us $15B and counting. Our car industry died under Labor.

    I cannot see where the current Coalition govt has screwed Australians. But Labor was certainly threatening to do that. Renewable energy is expensive and Labor wants to get rid of cheap coal produced electricity.

    Labor screws people not the Coalition

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 8:27 pm

    And that’s the real problem … a world full of NEEEEEELs …

  49. Need`Strategy`Teabag permalink
    May 19, 2019 8:52 pm

    Nah, the “real problem” is always the fixation. Legacy outlets fixated on 2pp-team poles ; and applied willful blindness to the 70-poles straight on dud-leader. Then it flows on, teams and swooners are now fixated on bullshit.

    This then makes it extremely easy for the zombies to play on mistakes and errors. Any dishwater leader running back and forth, claiming greenish credentials in boltsvillage, then to bananaland to imply adani possibilities. This `grey` behavior makes any dishwater leader look fake. Pick a side and fight your corner!

    Same again with pensions/dole. A `review` is grey. Pick a fcuking number and fight your corner! Grow some nads and not look fake!

    But no. Hand the zombie a club to beat the dishwater about the head with and claims of phony and fake to fixate the Legacy outlets and viewer-voters on.

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:07 pm

    tbagz I have no idea what you are talking about …

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:08 pm

    ICAC’s a big loss … let’s the Robber Barons run riot in the villages … and the rivers …

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2019 9:40 pm

    Yes it may have been a good election to lose. If we have another GFC and economic conditions get worse I expect labor voters to say it is all the Coalitions fault. Just like ALP supporters do when Howard was Treasurer in the early 1980’s even though the economic numbers were the same in the USA.

    But at least a Coalition govt will not lock up 50,000 boat people

  53. Know`Victory`Teabag permalink
    May 19, 2019 10:04 pm

    I ” have no idea what you are talking about”

    Wow, that`s quite an admission. With that self-impressive cv and all that managementy trainy trainy but can`t admit the blueCollar dude understands fixation and not him. (-: (-: (-:

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2019 10:50 pm

    Di Natale complaining that the Greens didn’t win Kooyong etc…

    Greens leader Richard Di Natale blamed the Liberals’ “ultra-negative tactics and millions received in big corporate donations”

    Really, what crap. I wasn’t about for the last week or 2 but prior to that I’ve never seen a more intensive local advertising campaign by the Greens.

    It hurt the Greens that Oliver Yates, a high profile and well resourced independent, also ran.

  55. Obvious`Teabag permalink
    May 19, 2019 11:10 pm

    But that seat is 40-years deep teabag blue. It had near zero chance of going green or dishwater red anyway. Same as the odwyer critters seat nearby.

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2019 2:12 am

    Shorten’s “top end of town” clearly rhetoric didn’t resonate.

    That type of commentary might go down well with the unions that run the ALP, but the people that vote don’t think that way.

    Self funded retirees aren’t the “top end of town” and people objected to Shorten’s divisive insinuation.

  57. Tweet`Tweet`Teabag permalink
    May 20, 2019 4:05 am

    T

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2019 8:51 am

    I ” have no idea what you are talking about”

    And I still have no idea whta you are talking about …

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2019 8:55 am

    Self funded retirees aren’t the “top end of town” and people objected to Shorten’s divisive insinuation.

    Oh, FFS … you still believe the BS … astounding … facts don’t seem to figure in Oz anymore … we truly are the 51st State … next it will be that hypocrisy the septic tanks call Thanksgiving …

    Hallelujah … Praise the Lord!

  60. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2019 8:56 am

    And I still have no idea whta you are talking about …

    Do what I do, ignore. Him and nil are both scrollers.

    Some Twit just put up the link about the Queensland results I referred to earlier

    Looking at the candidates in Queensland, it is wall to wall rightwing minor and micro parties, many of whom are far-right extremists.

    For some reason, the more progressive types are missing.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/will-the-coalition-lose-after-all,12621

    The left can;t compete against big mining money. GetUp (again, not a political party yomm) can agitate the grassroots, but can’t spam 20million voters for months leading into an election.

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2019 8:56 am

    Voters just drove the Trump-Train over them! Again!

    And there may be something in the psychology in that … however big the bullet in the foot … a country cannot operate without people paying tax …

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2019 8:58 am

    The left can;t compete against big mining money.
    \\
    Or the Real Estate Institute …

    BTW the sky in Brissy fell in last night … pissed it down … 🙂

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2019 9:19 am

    Oh, FFS … you still believe the BS …

    I was just quoting Shorten, so there’s nothing BS in my comment TB.

    You might prefer it if the class war lingo resonated in Australia, but it doesn’t (with the vast majority)

    It plays well in union forums, not in the electorate. Shorten and the ALP only have themselves to blame for their chosen (and failed) tactics.

  64. Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2019 9:22 am

    LOL look at all you sooks

    ROFLMAO

    Get over yourselves

  65. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2019 9:26 am

    It’s not easy being robbed by corrupt politicians, media and mining magnets wally.

  66. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2019 9:27 am

    I was just quoting Shorten,

    mis-quoting is the term yomm. As evidenced by your inability to reply to any of my questions earlier about that topic.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2019 9:35 am

    OK, it was “the big end of town” and while you might think he was talking about companies, he was not distinct. And therefore people got the feeling that he was attacking self funded retirees and those seeking to get ahead.

    That’s the fault of Shorten and the ALP. Middle Australia doesn’t like class based name calling, even though committed union types love it (and that’s probably one of the reasons union density is heading towards single figure in the private sector)

  68. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2019 9:48 am

    he was not distinct

    He was very distinct

    The media ran interference quite well though, as is always the way, except this time, abc and fairfax were almost as bad as ltdnews

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2019 10:00 am

    Every time the ALP lose , you (and lots of others) blame the media. It’s a crap excuse.

    People get more information from the completely random social media, and anyway… how many people watch SkyNews?

    News Corp spent years attacking the Turnbull Government. It’s nonsense to suggest it has been pro Liberal. On the other hard Fairfax has reported on ALP and Greens policies in a very favourable.

    As for the ABC, any political type can identiy dozens of examples of biss against their orientation.

    The ALP will not get anywhere unless it has a good hard look at itself.

    Stop blaming the media (and mining) and recognize the numerous inadequacies of the ALP.

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2019 10:01 am

    People don’t like Shorten, and he communicates poorly. That’s his problem, not the media’s

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2019 10:48 am

    And therefore people got the feeling that he was attacking self funded retirees and those seeking to get ahead.

    FMD! So why make the earlier comment …

    People don’t like Shorten, and he communicates poorly. That’s his problem, not the media’s

    Probably too much detail … he would have been better with better healthcare, better education, better climate management, better pay …

    Or to make it simple for the simpletons …”we stand for – healthcare, education, climate, pay”

    Like many of us they overestimated the sophistication of voters … too much too early and costings way too soon …

    Time to fight fire with fire …

    I recall reading that written communication for groups should be aimed at 12 year old level … seems verbal may be the same …

    People don’t like Shorten, and he communicates poorly. That’s his problem, not the media’s

    Not the only person around either … you do know that people don’t like Happy Clappy … and that’s the problem its about personality not policy …

    Yep, more than once I heard he ran “funny” … and he should get rid of his man boobs …

    Yeah, he should take lessons from Bananaby … what bunch of fuckwits voted that fkn moron back to destroy their lives …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do what I do, ignore. Him and nil are both scrollers.

    I’d be interested in what, tbagz, has to say , but my mind reading skills are pretty poor and I never did learn baby talk code …

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2019 1:18 pm

  73. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2019 1:30 pm

    case rested

  74. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2019 1:35 pm

    Much weeping and gnashing of teeth!

    🤣

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2019 1:59 pm

    Australia has dodged a bullet due to the good sense of the voters.

    Getting rid of Turdball was the best thing for the party. Even better is that his backstabbing brat-pack has been gutted with the departure of Bishop, Banks, Pyne and Laundy.

    Turdy and his malignant son worked hard at curating their status as moral exemplars to us all. But now with this glorious election result his real status as a worthless loser is thrown into stark relief. Just another multi-millionaire empty suit desperate to purchase positional goods. I’m pretty sure his cat didn’t survive Saturday night.

  76. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2019 2:25 pm

    My share portfolio is up 3.5% today. Clearly investors love ScoMo!

  77. Toot`Toot`Teabag permalink
    May 20, 2019 3:38 pm

    Think harder dcikheads. The dishwater team did not get creamed by team teabag. Slomo ran the one-man `slomo-show`. You`re team got creamed by One-Zombie.

  78. Wrong`Again`Teabag permalink
    May 20, 2019 3:48 pm

    and that`s the problem its about personality not policy

    TRY

    the problem is team strategy not team policy

    (watch team dishwater recruit paul howes to lead them to victory)

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2019 4:00 pm

    Paul Howes?

    Actually Howes probably could. The people rejected socialism on Saturday night. The ALP needs to purge itself of loonie lefties and recognise it was at its greatest under Hawke, its most enduring and least leftist PM. Albo could too if he came to the same conclusion.

    Save the party, boot the leftists!

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2019 4:09 pm

    My, my a lot of gloating comments here today! 🙂

    Move on kiddies …

  81. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2019 4:17 pm

    Haha. You Labor types were doing your gloating *before* the election. Now you want us to shut up. Hilarious.

  82. Toot`Toot`Teabag permalink
    May 20, 2019 4:28 pm

    ‘gloating’ ~ Still not learning in bananaland l see. lf that`s all you can glean from what l`ve said from my NON-team perspective ; then prepare ya`self for the Voters to bring out the Trump-Train again next election.

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2019 5:47 pm

    Australians all let us rejoice!

    ScoMo is flush with success and the ALP is flushed down the toilet!

    It’s not about gloating rather it is about celebrating the very clear message that Australians do not want to empower leftist overlords to crush their freedoms!

    The sacking of the Gladstone Ports employee showed us exactly how the mongrel left deals with people who ask the wrong questions. Decent people voted accordingly.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2019 6:13 pm

    Haha. You Labor types were doing your gloating *before* the election. Now you want us to shut up. Hilarious.

    You have a link?

    And BTW its over …

    Australians do not want to empower leftist overlords to crush their freedoms!

    Oh! FFS. They prefer Robber Barons to bleed ’em dry …

    The sacking of the Gladstone Ports employee showed us exactly how the mongrel left deals with people who ask the wrong questions.

    The ALP/Shorten didn’t sack him … it was dopey manager … still as thick as a brick shit-house … and the man was earning $200,000+ …

    Still like I said … lets see just how the next three years pans out … for you lot …

    … especially ToSY and his shares portfolio (I’d sell now BTW) … I have some experience in losing money in shares – just ask Wally! 🙂

    Clink!

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2019 6:14 pm

    ‘gloating’ ~ Still not learning in bananaland l see.

    Nor are you …

  86. Know`Hope`Teabag permalink
    May 20, 2019 6:16 pm

    Slomo is ” flush with success ” because team dishwater are absolutely fcuking hopeless on `strategy` which allows the zombies free reign to offer minimal amounts of nothingness and easily frighten ” decent people.”

    The next three years of summers, winters and cyclones will decide who exactly ends up ” flushed down the toilet! ” and who will “rejoice!”

  87. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2019 6:24 pm

    “… especially ToSY and his shares portfolio (I’d sell now BTW) ”

    Guffaw! I’ll be taking financial advice from you. Not. 🙄

  88. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2019 6:42 pm

    My gross dividend income will be three sevenths higher than it would have been had Labor won (and got their franking credits ‘reforms’ into law). So, yeah, I’m pretty happy.

  89. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2019 6:47 pm

    … and that’s the problem its about personality not policy …

    I find that a strange comment coming from a ALP supporter. Labor leaders usually have the better charisma than the Coalition but Coalition policies are better. That is why Rudd won in 2007. Howard seemed old but had better policies.

    Take broadband policy. Coalition already had signed contracts with Optus/Opel to bring broadband to rural areas and had a policy for the cities. However labor won everybodies hearts with their broadband policy. However after winning the election Labor threw its election policy into the bin. The current NBN was decided on a plane flight in 2009 costing who knows what finished who knows when

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2019 10:59 pm

    Does Tom R and TB think Albanese is a bulls*** artist?

    Mr Albanese started making his economic case with a firm indication that the policy to abolish refundable franking credits would itself be on the chopping block.

    “The dividend issue impacted on people’s hip pockets, and some of those, of course, weren’t very wealthy people,” he told 5AA radio.

    “They were people for whom a small cheque was what they paid their rates with or their car rego, or other essentials in life.”

  91. Winter`Begins`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2019 6:58 am

    Did everybody notice plib has made `family-reasons` noises as her excuse for not running as team leader?? Sounds like she is abandoning ship. Let`s hope she tosses blib stooten overboard before goes.

    ____

    l have also been enjoying the non-stop comedy of my abc staff blaming `da-poles` for their arse-hat punditry. The 70-dud-leader `poles` were correct and matched the pole that `counted.`

  92. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2019 7:17 am

    Poor ol`shane must be fcuking devastated with bananaland turning zombie blue too. Hope he feels better soon and drops by.

  93. May 21, 2019 10:26 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  94. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2019 10:43 am

    Haha. What that genius doesn’t understand is companies pay dividends as a percentage of *after-tax* profits. Lower company tax = higher dividends. Yes, franking credits will be lower but the gross dividends will be the same. Try again Ash Tinybrain.

  95. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2019 10:53 am

    Does Tom R and TB think Albanese is a bulls*** artist?

    No, but I’d also assume that this is some very adept cherrry picking of what he said.

    These people would not have been affected by the changes.

    Basically, the media continue to misrepresent Labor. Business as usual.

  96. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2019 10:53 am

    He’s trying to out abbott abbott

  97. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:01 am

    “ the non franked portion of your dividend will also get smaller as companies move from paying dividends to investing in their own businesses. Suckers again.“

    Boards make dividend payout policies. They may change them from time to time, but a company’s share price is directly related to its grossed-up dividend. A board would need a serious and pressing reason to reduce dividends. Lower company tax is not likely to be one of those.

  98. Know`Idea`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:09 am

    but a company`s share price is directly related to its grossed-up dividend

    utter bullshit

    share price is what the punters will pay for it

    market forces, remember?

  99. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:19 am

    Shows how much you know Bagz. A share’s ‘yield’ is calculated as a percentage of its share price. That is, share price divided by grossed-up dividend [i.e. dividend + franking credits] = yield. Yes, share price fluctuates – and so, accordingly, does yield.

    They are directly related.

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:28 am

    Welcome to Australia the 51st State of the Onion … this demonstrates just how low News Corpse will drag itself … disgusting …

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/may/21/news-corp-paper-refuses-to-apologise-for-putting-queensland-premiers-face-in-crosshairs

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:29 am

    Poor ol`shane must be fcuking devastated with bananaland turning zombie blue too. Hope he feels better soon and drops by.

    Queenslanders are wonderfully perceptive people. Australia owes them a debt of gratitude and they ought to save some of that for Arse-clown Bob Brown and his convoy of cuntiness getting in the faces of Queenslanders.

  102. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:31 am

    the `yield` is derived from the stockprice, not the other way around

  103. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:37 am

    Queenslanders are wonderfully perceptive people.

    Right there is why questions need to be asked.

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:39 am

    Welcome to Australia the 51st State of the Onion … this demonstrates just how low News Corpse will drag itself … disgusting …

    The left have a penchant for actual violence (in common with their fellow fascist extremists the neo Nazis).

    It was a Sanders campaign worker who gunned down republicans at a charity baseball game, a green who punched Abbott, an Antifa goon who gunned down five cops and lefties in general who revel in mongrel green supporters throwing food and drinks at political enemies.

  105. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:45 am

    “the `yield` is derived from the stockprice, not the other way around”

    The price a dividend investor is prepared to pay for a ‘mature’ company is based on its dividend yield. Ergo, share price is directly related to dividend yield.

    (Newer companies paying no/low dividends but with high growth prospects are another matter.)

  106. Bang`Bang`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:47 am

    After the gifford / palin? event ; nobody can argue limitednews is not `inciting` assassination. lf any other halfwit did similar ; plod`n spooks would be kicking in their door. Now Watch!

  107. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:59 am

    After the gifford / palin?

    Oh that hoax! This is the NYT apology which I assume you should also now be making:

    “An earlier version of this editorial incorrectly stated that a link existed between political incitement and the 2011 shooting of Representative Gabby Giffords,” the correction reads. “In fact, no such link was established.”

  108. Toot`Toot`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2019 12:09 pm

    Yep, we`re saying the same thing using different terminology.

    What you are saying is ; the dividend investor-buyers stockprice `bid` is determined by .. directly related to dividend yield

    NOT as l read, the marketprice

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2019 1:22 pm

    Meanwhile “The Independent” provides one more example of leftists as violent dipshits. I guess that is the closest thing the left has to a rational argument.

  110. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2019 4:11 pm

    I don’t know what your point is, Tom R. I don’t like extremists of any sort. Like the left, right wing extremists hate Trump for his pro-Israel stance.

    Good riddance to this Antifa PoS. And this is nice chap is now no longer with us.

  111. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2019 4:30 pm

    I don’t know what your point is splatter.

    In so many ways

  112. Toot`Toot`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2019 5:01 pm

    So MrFrankingCredits has tossed his hat into the ring with albo for the leadership. l guess we can expect 90% of the members to want albo and the partyroom will stomp them and back mrFrankingCredits so that we can all relive the blib stooten era. I can already hear the Trump-Train returning.

  113. Walrus permalink
    May 21, 2019 5:44 pm

    It’s hilarious over at this site. John Lords is melting down.

    https://theaimn.com/john-lords-election-diary-no-17-how-wrong-could-i-be/

    “………..I have left until almost last the Bill Shorten factor and it may be fair to say that he bit off more than he could chew. His policies could have changed the face of the nation but the changes were so complex that people didn’t understand and became scared of them.”

    They just dont fucking well get it do they ?

    The voters dont want to “change the face of the nation”

    A few tweaks every now and then will do

  114. Walrus permalink
    May 21, 2019 6:01 pm

    Same theme

    “It is why we seek government. Not for history’s sake. And not for our own. Not for the trappings or ornamentation of office, but to build things that last, to change the nation, to write Australia larger and better.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/federal-election-2019/change-the-nation-forever-shorten-invokes-whitlam-in-final-push-20190516-p51nxz.html

    Change the Nation pervaded the entire campaign along with Change the Rules.

  115. Know`Regrets`Teabag permalink
    May 21, 2019 9:20 pm

    Poor john lord, the folks at coffee-2 will be taking it badly for quite a while l reckon.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2019 9:45 pm

    They just dont fucking well get it do they ?

    The voters dont want to “change the face of the nation”

    A few tweaks every now and then will do

    I agree …

    Oddly enough I was saying this to a Liberal mate today …

    People don’t like change much (I spent a couple of decades as a change agent) and in this case there was just TOO MUCH detail … and that clouded the message … along with a bunch of fogging by the Caretaker Mob …

    Bearing in mind it was also The Mad Abbott’s problem too especially the 2014 Budget … along with Captain’s Calls – who gives a Prince a fkn Knighthood?

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 21, 2019 10:29 pm

    U can tell Malcolm Farr votes labor because he is so deceitful. What the hell does this mean?

    However, the Liberals could rely on the preference support of a million Liberal National Party voters in Queensland, and 34,000 Country Liberal Party voters in the Northern Territory.

    LNP votes in QLD are not preference support they are primary votes. But I think it is QLD which won the Coalition the election. Not much changed anywhere else

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:05 pm

    So Chris Bowen will contest the ALP leadership. Despite him authoring some of the ALP’s unappealing policies, I think he’s a good candidate. He’s a little like Keating.

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2019 11:17 pm

    …and the disgraceful waste of taxpayer’s money by Daniel Andrews – political advertising on federal issues during a federal election! I think that my have annoyed a few people.

    Certainly it didn’t change any votes.

  120. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2019 5:43 am

    Change the Nation pervaded the entire campaign along with Change the Rules.

    The thing that pervaded the election was lies about death taxes, retirees taxes, middle class tax cuts, and everything palmer said.

    And our media pushed it for them.

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2019 7:02 am

    From The Age-

    Defeated Labor leader Bill Shorten has stunned colleagues by actively involving himself in the selection of his successor and attempting to hinder the run of left-wing powerbroker Anthony Albanese

    Great work Bill, you’ve earned the right to f*** the ALP a little more!

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2019 7:02 am

    From The Age-

    Defeated Labor leader Bill Shorten has stunned colleagues by actively involving himself in the selection of his successor and attempting to hinder the run of left-wing powerbroker Anthony Albanese

    Great work Bill, you’ve earned the right to f*** the ALP a little more!

  123. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2019 8:22 am

    Great work Bill

    Oh my Dog, he’s actively participating in politics!

    A former Leader and current elected member of a political party

    ROFL

    Meanwhile, the newly elected grubmint broke a promise before they were elected

    ie, they lied, and the gullible numbnuts on facebook swallowed the bullshit.

    I see king clive still hasn’t paid his workers either

    people are so gullible.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2019 8:33 am

    From The Age- From The Age-

    Wow! Getting excited ToM!

  125. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2019 9:01 am

    The arrogance of winners

    It’s gonna be a long three years of lies and bullshit

  126. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2019 10:45 am

    “Great work Bill, you’ve earned the right to f*** the ALP a little more”

    Yep, knifed 2 sitting PMs then failed twice to become PM and now attempts to thwart one of the only ALP member with a bit of credibility.

    Bill’s work is never done. He will always be in the background

  127. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2019 10:53 am

    “Right so here is the actual story behind this photo: it was taken by SMH photographer…”

    So what ?

    It was Bowen that tweeted it with a caption “We Are Ready” last week

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2019 10:58 am

    Obviously analysing politics didn’t work BEFORE the election … why do people think analysing them AFTER the election is going to be any different, or serve any real purpose?

    I feel for the thousands of out of work miners and their families who think they could get a job out of Adani … because if it goes ahead, no alternatives will be offered (ie renewable manufacturing) …

  129. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2019 11:05 am

    It was Bowen that tweeted it with a caption “We Are Ready” last week

    Got a screen cap?

    Because they clearly implied this photo was taken specifically for the expected win, not a budget reply.

  130. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2019 11:27 am

    palmer confirms that he didn’t try to win, he tried to get the libs elected.

    So, Labor battle not only all the major media companies, but mining millionaires

    And yomm cries about GetUp

    Our democracy was bought

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2019 11:37 am

    Our democracy was bought

    You have such a low opinion of others. You never accept that people exercise their free will, and are quite capable of indetifying an ambitious, devious, dishonest bulls*** artist when presented with one.

  132. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2019 11:47 am

    and are quite capable of indetifying an ambitious, devious, dishonest bulls*** artist when presented with one.

    They voted for palmer, not the lnp

    They got the lnp

    Not sure how much more devious you need to be?

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2019 11:54 am

    You have such a low opinion of others.

    That’s not what was written nor implied … that’s you’re thinking …

    As for … … are quite capable of indetifying (SIC) an ambitious, devious, dishonest bulls*** artist when presented with one.

    Ask the people who are still owed $7 million …

    Nothiing’s changed … just another three years of lies, cheating, manipulation, graft and corruption … eventually the “others” you mention will figure it out … and if anything is left after a calamitous 2020 … we’ll see what happens …

  134. Know`Renewal`Teabag permalink
    May 22, 2019 4:55 pm

    MrFrankingCredits has canceled his challenge for leader giving albo clear air, tho others still can challenge.

    Overworking ya`self over blib stooten is silly teamcheerer, it would be heaps better for the team if moonee fcuking ponds had to have a by-election.

  135. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2019 5:05 pm

    Bowen couldn’t endure Shorten’s kiss of death.

    Shorten has the Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to a muffler.

  136. Toot`Toot`Teabag permalink
    May 22, 2019 6:18 pm

    I think albo will struggle to achieve the 70-dud-leader poles required by the Legacy FakeNews outlets to declare him winner of next election.

  137. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2019 6:47 pm

    I know some are upset about others calling their fellow countrymen idiots, but ………….

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2019 6:54 pm

    MrFrankingCredits has canceled his challenge for leader giving albo clear air, tho others still can challenge.

    As any gentleman would under the circumstances …

    Bowen couldn’t endure Shorten’s kiss of death.

    You really do have a nasty personality … and ignorance to boot … Shorten has the Midas touch.

    blockquote The most famous King Midas is popularly remembered in Greek mythology for his ability to turn everything he touched into gold.

    You’re worse than NEEEEEEEL!

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2019 7:03 pm

    Suck on this little gem, ToSY ….

    Supporters of the environment minister, Melissa Price, say she was deliberately gagged during the election campaign, as the embattled MP faces calls for her demotion from cabinet.

    As Coalition MPs jostle for promotion in Scott Morrison’s new frontbench, Price is understood to have told colleagues it was a tactical decision made by the prime minister and Coalition headquarters to keep her out of the limelight during the campaign. Price was supportive of the move, which ensured Morrison kept the focus on the economy and Labor’s tax agenda.

    Not that it surprises my lot! Melissa who?

    Now SloMo Happy Clappy isn’t smart enough to be Australia’s Trump … I wonder who that could be?

    Democracy is a joke (hijacked by capitalism) … communism is a joke (high jacking capitalism) …

    What’s left?

  140. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2019 7:15 pm

    “You really do have a nasty personality … and ignorance to boot …”

    And you really are a cranky, humourless, old git.

    (You wilfully ignore the bit about mufflers. Midas, mufflers, geddit?)

  141. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2019 7:23 pm

    “You’re worse than NEEEEEEEL!”

    You must be suffering, with all the personal attacks. It’s not like you. Wait, yes it is. You’ve always been an intolerant bigot!

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2019 7:27 pm

    (You wilfully ignore the bit about mufflers. Midas, mufflers, geddit?)

    Not at all you pompous prick! Humourless … you’ve never understood humour, cynicism, sarcasm – just nasty … old git? Like I said … nasty personality … enjoy your franking credits Leaner!

    Muffler WTF does that mean … cold …

  143. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2019 7:42 pm

    Everyone can see who started the personal sniping. But just in case you really don’t understand. It was a play on words. Of course I know who King Midas was. But Bill doesn’t turn things into gold.

    https://www.midas.com.au/automotive-services/exhaust-services/

  144. Vroom`Vroom`Teabag permalink
    May 22, 2019 9:53 pm

    Actually l thought his muffler midas crack was pretty good. lt might be that bananaland nerves are still pretty frayed. (-:

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2019 11:01 pm

    Chuckle …

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2019 11:20 pm

    Committed ALP barrackers don’t have a sense of humour when “Our Bill” has been dudded out of the Prime Ministership by MURDOCH & GINA!!

  147. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 6:08 am

    yea, it’s just not cricket, is it yomm.

    Been funny watching the assembled throng telling Labor supporters to be nice.

    Apparently the only time you are allowed to be assholes is during the election itself.

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2019 8:35 am

    Who are the assholes? TR 🙂

  149. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 9:11 am

    Who are the assholes?

    According to the paid shills on tele, Labor supporters, for voicing their disapproval of a corrupted election system.

    According to me, palmer, murdoch and the libs etal for leveraging that corruption to further their own ends

  150. May 23, 2019 9:30 am

    “Shorten has the Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to a muffler.”

    😆 😆

  151. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 9:56 am

    “According to me, palmer, murdoch and the libs etal for leveraging that corruption to further their own ends”

    LOL what a load of BS coming from a supporter of a party that masqueraded as Medicare HQ in an sms to voters at the last election. Mediscare anyone ?

    I think Bob Brown and his convoy of pathetics might have swung Qld. Look at Anna Palaszczuk’s backflip on Adani yesterday in her call for action. She sniffed the political breeze and smelt the stench about her party in the regions.

    Thankyou Bob Brown………………………what a fucking moron you are

  152. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 10:03 am

    If you think a bunch of greenies in the buh has more impact than $60million in facebook lies, then you’re dumber than pretend to be

  153. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 10:16 am

    LOL

    I dont think TomR’s coping mechanism is doing very well ROFLMAO

  154. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 10:26 am

    I’m not sure your thinking mechanisms are doing anything wally

    But you seem quite happy to accept the lies and corruption that went on, as long as your team wins

  155. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:10 am

    Corruption ? Lies ?

    Links please

  156. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:19 am

    Thankyou Bob Brown………………………what a fucking moron you are

    True That! But he is not sleazily smug as di Natale is.

    If Palmer’s ads were effective he might have got a few votes. That he didn’t shows they were useless (except as an excuse for the condescending born-to-rule ALP elitists to blame anyone but themselves for the fact that voters saw straight through them).

    “as long as your team wins” says the world’s greatest one-eyed troll!

  157. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:20 am

    Oh perhaps you are referring to Andrew Leigh’s 2006 paper

    https://cpd.org.au/2006/03/bring-back-the-inheritance-tax/

    You must remember Andrew. He was the guy who didn’t know what a Nominee company was.

    https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-five-faceless-investors-who-own-much-of-australias-largest-companies-20170312-guwi2h.html

    Like I said ROTFLMAO

  158. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:27 am

    groan

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:46 am

    Corruption ? Lies ?

    Links please

    The AEC is investigating 87 at the moment* … yu still hav’ ze trouble keeping up, Valter!

    I see the link above! LOL!

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:50 am

    Someone was seen torching it before fleeing. It is amazing how the left call for tolerance but act like they’re above the law when you don’t agree with their ideologies. -PH

    Its amazing how the RWNJs seem to have a fixation with violence and keep trying to transfer it to anyone who doesn’t agree with their ideologies … we saw you trying fire a pistol and your minions negotiating with the NRA -PH … fucking hypocrite!

  161. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:54 am

    “yu still hav’ ze trouble keeping up”

    LOL

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/jail-time-for-mediscare-campaign-tactics

  162. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:56 am

    lol, so the libs change the laws because they can’t handle the truth (yes, they WERE planning to privatise the payment system, which is pretty much medicare), and then do worst

    hypocrits spring to mind

  163. May 23, 2019 1:31 pm

    “”I think Bob Brown and his convoy of pathetics might have swung Qld””

    It certainly didn’t endear the locals to the cause.

  164. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 1:54 pm

    It certainly didn’t endear the locals to the cause.

    No, the Greens asz a whole did more damage than good, as per usual

    But it pales when compared to what clive was unleashing up there

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/23/self-interest-didnt-swing-the-election-results-but-the-scare-campaign-did

  165. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2019 2:52 pm

    The Guardian would say that, wouldn’t they?

    This is just like Hillary blaming Russia rather than admitting she was repulsive and unelectable (same as Shorten).

  166. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 3:11 pm

    lol

    and you complain about me blaming the media, you know, the one who actively promotes the conservative side, unashamedly

  167. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 3:29 pm

    “But it pales when compared to what clive was unleashing up there”

    Or what Getup did in NSW and Victoria

    I can hardly wait to see at the results of the next Newspoll.

    I wonder by what margin the ALP will still be in front LOL

  168. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2019 3:38 pm

    Everything about the ALP campaign was a complete clusterf*ck, Tom R – Shorten came across as sneering, duplicitous and shifty. The tax policies were so bad and people actually took Bowen’s advice and voted against them. They wouldn’t support Adani because they were shit-scared of the Greens. They wouldn’t cost their promises which were deranged in any case. Yet you, and the rest of the ass-clown left, want to shoot the messenger.

    The highlight of the election was to see the ALP operatives in the media and the pollies themselves have a bad case of the sads. And then to read their deranged vitriol on Twitter.

    Unless and until the ALP realises that the policies of the lefty elites are out of touch they will remain unelectable in the eyes of voters.

    If the ALP seriously wants power they would appoint as leader the closest thing they’ve got to a human being in caucus – Albo – and move swiftly to the political centre. Hawke was the most successful ALP leader precisely because he was able to shed his far left politics.

  169. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 3:41 pm

    Or what Getup did in NSW and Victoria

    They spent $55million telling lies?

    Link

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2019 4:09 pm

    I wonder by what margin the ALP will still be in front LOL

    Said the same this morning to mate (a Liberal BTW …)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Or what Getup did in NSW and Victoria

    The AEC styled Chinese sign had to be the classic …

    Examples include:

    Deployment of fake AEC-styled signage in Mandarin telling voters in Chisholm to give their first preference to the Liberal party. The AEC said it translated the signs and found them to contain the proper authorisation, so found there was no breach of the electoral act and took no action.

    An unauthorised mass robocall by prominent businessman Mark Bouris telling voters not to vote Labor or their house values would fall. The AEC said this was a technical breach of the Electoral Act and directly warned Bouris, who undertook to stop the calls until they were properly authorised.

    The handing-out of fake how-to-vote cards that told Greens voters to direct their preferences to Peter Dutton in Dickson. The AEC said this was not an issue because the “flyer does not purport to be an official [how-to-vote] card” and contained an authorisation.

    The unauthorised fake eviction notices put up by unions in Victoria on office windows of Liberal MPs. A warning was given and the unions promised to authorise the material.

    The failure to authorise Liberal party ads appearing on major news websites, including the Sydney Morning Herald. A warning was given, and ads were authorised and removed.

    A string of false claims made in election advertising, including that Labor planned to introduce a death tax and car tax. Section 329 of the Electoral Act prohibits “misleading or deceptive” claims about the process of how to vote, but does not extend to general truth in political advertising.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/22/australian-electoral-commission-finds-87-cases-of-election-ads-breaching-law

    Unusually most “breaches” were from one side of the political spectrum … 🙂 🙂

  171. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2019 4:09 pm

    I think you’re doing the right thing, Tom R. After all, if it wasn’t the fault of the media, Clive, the Libs’ lies, and the stoopid, gullible electorate, the answer would have to be that Shorten and Labor weren’t good enough, weren’t acceptable to voters. But that would be just too hard to accept.

  172. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 5:02 pm

    “”But that would be just too hard to accept.””

    I’m quite happy for them to blame everyone else. They have as much self awareness as Bowen did in nominating for leader.

    So let them cast the blame so the LNP can beat them again next time.

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2019 5:09 pm

    Blame –
    * Palmer
    * Murdoch
    * Gina
    * Dumb gullible voters

    But NEVER accept
    * that the ALP is on the nose
    * Shorten is unpopular
    * Voters aren’t interested is a huge change in policy settings

  174. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 5:25 pm

    Look at how the ALP’s primary vote has crashed since the 1970’s. Even Whitlam got a better primary vote than Shorten ever has

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party#Federal_election_results

  175. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 7:08 pm

    The only thing that looks worst than that wally, is the libs

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Australia#Federal_election_results

    They’d be screwed without the mining millions to lull dopes into they are voting for “none of the above”

    Lies and deceit win #auspol again and again.

    And again and again, the same idiots vote against their best interests, like that dopey woman above

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2019 7:11 pm

    The ALP needs to get over the “blame someone else” attitude for it’s electoral failure, and acknowledge that its structure and policy settings are the main problem… and are within their control.

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2019 7:31 pm

    Wally, ToM, ToSY … you also need to be mindful that almost half of the nation voted ALP … if you include the Greens its over 50% … but then you add almost half a million fuckwits for Clive Palmer (appropriate surname BTW in more than one way) …

    Lets look at %age

    Combined LNP/Palmer/ One Nation- 48.2%

    Labor/Greens – 43.5%

    Others – 8.3%

    So … less than 50% of the Australians voted for the Happy Clappy Coal Collective

    Oddly it was a promise of change that saw Trump elected … Australia chose to hope for stability … poor buggers …

    Find yer own link … it won’t be around much longer if Supreme Leader Rupert has its way …

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2019 7:40 pm

    … you also need to be mindful that almost half of the nation voted ALP 

    TB, I think you need to be mindful that the ALP has been beaten successively by conservatives on 3 occasion. Not only that their leaders have been Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison.

    But you, Tom R and other committed ALP barrackers don’t seem to acknowledge the fundamental deficiencies in the party. The defeats only result in repetition of the same blame.

    Don’t you think the ALP should deal with the factors that are completely within its control?

  179. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2019 7:40 pm

    “ you also need to be mindful that almost half of the nation voted ALP … if you include the Greens its over 50% …”

    Yeah, I don’t think that’s correct. Otherwise Labor would have won. Your figures are rubbery.

  180. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2019 8:00 pm

    From the AEC website just now. National 2PP vote (number and percentage):

    Liberal/National Coalition 5,736,355 51.44
    Australian Labor Party 5,415,551 48.56

    National Primary (percentage):

    Liberal/LNP/Nats 41.80
    Labor 33.63
    Greens 9.87

    Liberal 3,548,586 28.05
    Liberal National Party 1,096,932 8.67
    The Nationals 607,274 4.80
    Country Liberals (NT) 35,945 0.28

    Australian Labor Party 4,254,483 33.63
    The Greens 1,248,133 9.87

  181. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2019 8:13 pm

    Just one third of the electorate voted 1️⃣ Labor. Not really good enough, is it?

  182. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2019 8:19 pm

    Put it this way. Under our system, the majority of voters weren’t going to vote for the eventual government (first preference wise) – be it Labor or Coalition.

  183. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2019 9:17 pm

    put it this way, 41% voted the conservatives, 43% voted the left, and 14.7% voted none of the above (of which most were lied to, and fed the libs instead of their preference of …………. none of the above)

    And those mugs are the ones who will be hit worst by palmers double dealing.

    We have our own deplorables, which is even more embarrassing, because, we had forewarning. And they did it anyway.

  184. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2019 9:28 pm

    Of course. All votes for teh Left were pure. The rest were tainted in some way.

  185. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2019 9:44 pm

    Labor got a third of the vote. But they was robbed!

  186. Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2019 10:05 pm

    Excellent news. Bring on 2022 and really get smashed. In fact at this rate ScoMo will call it early LOL

    #letsgofurtherleft

    https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/23/tony-burke-floats-green-new-deal-style-approach-to-labors-climate-policy

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2019 10:57 pm

    Since the 1993 election, the ALP has formed majority government on 1 (that’s ONE) occasion.

    But ALP barrackers won’t accept that the party has a problem, of its own making.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:15 pm

    But ALP barrackers won’t accept that the party has a problem, of its own making.

    And despite, ToSY, mathematics … or lack thereof … ALP barrackers won’t go away either … eventually the dam breaks … oh, hang on there’s no water in the river!

  189. ivi permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:25 pm

    (And they did it anyway.

    Who is they (redux)?)

    ——————————-

    #letsgofurtherleft

    Let’s?)

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2019 11:31 pm

    Beats me why ALP supporters are so tribal. It is very much a religion for ALP supporters to vote ALP much more than for people who vote for the Coalition.

  191. ivi permalink
    May 24, 2019 12:33 am

    (Beats me why ALP supporters are so tribal.

    Maaaate, it’s almost as if a perpetual minority government — whose perfectly-agreeable sacred articles of (renovated) association and side letters (divvying up the (de)spoils) must never be cited or sighted by an exalted-yet-profane(d) hoi polloi — is both a broad church and a (post)modern singularity of (anti-)aspirational, (mock-)conservative, (neo-)classical-(il))liberal, judaeo-christian-catholic, (revisionary-)western-civilizational (pseudo-)secularity.)

  192. Toot`Toot`Teabag permalink
    May 24, 2019 12:54 am

    It looks like the trump-train is having a busy month. ln britannia their dud-leader looks like going under the wheels real soon.

    Back in bananaland the teabag panic is gushing down premier anna`s leg. She fears the trump-train returning for her, so is rushing the adani enviro-report/study. At the same time the neighboring coal site to adani has closed/canceled its development.

    I still can`t see any benefits of an automated pit-to-port project, connecting to an automated port, most likely serviced by a handful of fifo techs out of bombay, my bet is the construction phase will probably be done by no-speak-english fifo workers from the punjab so they can`t talk to the Legacy outlets. l think recent bananaland voters are going to discover they were well and truly `punked` and are in for a rude shock.

  193. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2019 8:35 am

    “And despite, ToSY, mathematics … or lack thereof … ”

    Haha. My maths skills are marginally better than yours, it seems. At least I can work out that 33.63% of the electorate who gave their first preference to Labor is almost exactly one third of voters. Not the “almost half of the nation” you claim.

  194. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2019 9:04 am

    Since the 1993 election the media in Australia has become more concentrated and unashamedly partisan, to the point where even the abc is politically compromised, as evidenced by the fallout in recent months over the behaviour of senior management

    Channel 7 is run by a former Federal LNP Treasurer for dogs sake, and ltdnews …. well, they are worst than the lot of the rest put together, and has far more sway than them all.

    (tosy forgets the greens, because the libs, without the nats, are worst off than Labor)

    And yes, when a filthy rich asshat of questionable integrity can buy an election, there is definitely something wrong in the state of Redneck Wonderland

  195. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2019 9:06 am

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2019 9:07 am

    ToSY – Australia IS preference voting not First Past The Post!

    And the figure you quote is not for Liberal … its a Coalition – ie Union!

  197. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2019 9:30 am

    Correct. We are not first past the post.

    Correct again. The AEC calls it the ‘Liberal/National Coalition’. Not really controversial, and voters know a vote for Liberal or National is a vote for this coalition.

    Whichever way you want to look at it, Labor lost, and you are in the minority.

  198. For`Clarity`Teabag permalink
    May 24, 2019 9:59 am

    If ya talking about costello teamcheerer, l think he is the bigwig of network9`n fairfax. Sorry teebz but tinfoil`osy is more correct than what you`re trying to claim. The teabag coalitions is no secret. To claim greenz votes are somehow dishwater votes is bullshit. When di-natale was at the pressclub, blib stooten and a string of dishwaters were arrogantly saying they were going to run the show without greenz. (this cost`em a few votes too)

  199. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2019 10:04 am

    Whichever way you want to look at it, Labor lost, and you are in the minority.

    Thems the facts

    Also a fact, a filthy rich asshat of questionable integrity lost them that election

  200. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2019 10:16 am

    May as well laugh at it

  201. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2019 11:08 am

    How many preferences did Palmer voters give the Coalition? Nobody knows because the AEC hasn’t worked it out yet.

    But these numbers are available:

    Coalition:
    First preferences 5,288,896
    Two party preferred 5,739,469
    Difference 450,663

    Labor:
    First preferences 4,254,457
    Two party preferred 5,418,264
    Difference 1,163,807

    Labor benefited more from preferences than did the coalition. Without the Greens, Labor would be stuffed.

    https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-24310-NAT.htm

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2019 11:12 am

    Sorry teebz but tinfoil`osy is more correct than what you`re trying to claim.

    Let me simplify …

    From ToSY’s comment above …

    National Primary (percentage):

    Liberal/LNP/Nats 41.80
    Labor 33.63
    Greens 9.87

    More people DIDN’T vote for the CoalitionS than did … Labor/Greens 43.5 CoalitionS 41.8

    Got it now?if the Greens and Labor became an Alliance??

  203. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2019 11:14 am

    “if the Greens and Labor became an Alliance??”

    That would be wonderful.

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2019 11:14 am

    Without the Greens, Labor would be stuffed.

    Without the Nationals the Liberals would be stuffed … 1/2 the country is not a fan of the government … move on …

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2019 11:19 am

    TB, I think you need to be mindful that the ALP has been beaten successively by conservatives on 3 occasion. Not only that their leaders have been Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison.

    I’m mindful alright, and quite frankly baffled like many other people … another three years of renewable denial … climate change denial … water management denial … power prices denial … reviews, committees, royal commissions … wrining of hands and then sitting on them … ’cause the most important thing is to WIN not GOVERN for all Australians … next it will be sabre rattling along with the USofA …

    Conservatives are — well, conservative …

  206. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2019 11:21 am

    (The total numbers will change slightly as more votes come in, but my point stands.)

  207. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2019 11:28 am

    “move on …”

    Why? This is fun.

  208. Know`Counting`Teabag permalink
    May 24, 2019 12:12 pm

    Got it now? ” if the Greens and Labor became an Alliance??”

    But you`re imagining things. Many members of team dishwater told us all loud and clear that they are NOT a coalition, an alliance and were totally different to da-greenz during di-natales press club address. You are trying to seek comfort in numbers that do not exist.

  209. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2019 4:39 pm

    “Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
    No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
    the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time.” –
    Winston Churchill, 1947.

  210. Ka`Ching`Teabag permalink
    May 25, 2019 7:00 am

    Previously here, we have commented on 1.bitcoin and 2.pollys trying to tax online trade even tho they have refused to properly tax the bricks`n mortar biz`s at home. The teabag panic now kicks in.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48383460

    Nicknamed Project Libra, Facebook’s plans for a digital currency network were first reported last December.

    The project will see it join forces with banks and brokers that will enable people to change dollars and other international currencies into its digital coins.

    A small group of co-founders are expected to launch the Swiss-based association in the coming weeks.

    Facebook is also reportedly in talks with a number of online merchants to accept the currency as payment in return for lower transaction fees.

    (snip!!)Conservatively, he estimated that around 30 million people use crypto-currencies today. That compares to Facebook’s 2.4 billion monthly users.

    @somewhere else l`ve seen amazon will have a crypto`coin` too

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2019 11:34 am

    @somewhere else l`ve seen amazon will have a crypto`coin` too

    And then the satellites failed and the dictators closed down the interwebby … or Trump decided to go to war with everyone … and everyfuckingthing failed …

    Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
    the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time.” –
    Winston Churchill, 1947.

    Churchill never was much of a visionary …

    Henry Ford had more vision …

    1.

    If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.

    2.

    ‘Whether you think you can, or you think you can’t–you’re right.’

    Read the last one a couple of times …

    Ford Myth & Legend says that when he asked for an eight cylinder V8 engine, his engineers said it was impossible … “think you can you will, think you can’t you won’t” … he fired the project engineers … the next team came up with a design … BTW the V8 was a French invention not HF …

    “there’s always a way” … TB family saying …

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2019 11:38 am

    Got it now? ” if the Greens and Labor became an Alliance??”

    But you`re imagining things.

    Exactly – that’s what IF means.

    Let me repeat myself … repeat myself … repeat myself …. repeat myself

    More people DIDN’T vote for the CoalitionS than did … Labor/Greens 43.5 CoalitionS 41.8

    More people DIDN’T vote for the CoalitionS than did … Labor/Greens 43.5 CoalitionS 41.8

    More people DIDN’T vote for the CoalitionS than did … Labor/Greens 43.5 CoalitionS 41.8

    Meaning that – the government needs to heed the other half of the population, not just its gloaters …

    Got it now? 🙂

  213. Any`Witch`Way`Teabag permalink
    May 25, 2019 12:32 pm

    there`s always a way” .. TB family saying

    Yeah there`s always a way to be arse fcuked too. Haven`t elections taught you anything.

  214. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2019 1:33 pm

    Those are primary or first preference votes. You were at great pains to point out we are not a first past the post system.

    National two-party preferred vote on AEC website just now:

    Party / Coalition…………………Votes Vote % Swing %
    Liberal/National Coalition…5,901,904 51.57 +1.21
    Australian Labor Party………5,541,971 48.43 -1.21

    Labor lost and you are in the minority.

    But

    🎼🎶🎵Whatever gets you through the night, it’s all right, it’s all right.🎵🎶

    But whatever gets you through the night, is all right

  215. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2019 1:55 pm

    (Not that Labor would have been first past the post. Under that system the Coalition would still win, with Labor second and Greens third.)

    Whatever gets you through your life …

  216. ivi permalink
    May 25, 2019 2:18 pm

    (Whatever gets you through your life …

    So: one ‘person’, one ‘vote’, ’24/7/365/3′; same as it ever was (; and assuming someone(s) are/n’t confusing ‘democracy’ with anything else; say, mandatory (re)manufacture of consent(s), or majoritarianism, or kakistocracy, or (crony) capitalism)?)

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2019 2:53 pm

    <I.Yeah there`s always a way to be arse fcuked too. Haven`t elections taught you anything.

    What is you’re problem?

    Labor lost and you are in the minority.

    Not by as much as you think … that’s my point …

    Actually the conservatives are rife if you look at this list … its the bits and pieces that the LNP Coalition picked up that makes a real difference … all those second preference votes … Anning, Palmer, Hanson … just surprised their wasn’t a Catholic Party … although a couple come close …

  218. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2019 2:58 pm

    “Not by as much as you think … that’s my point …”

    Really? How much do I think they lost by?

    🎶Whatever gets you to the light …🎶

  219. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2019 3:19 pm

    Maybe I think Labor won 11 fewer lower house seats than the Coalition.

    Coalition 78
    Labor 67
    Greens 1
    Katter Australia Party 1
    Centre Alliance 1
    Independents 3
    Total 151

    Anything ringing a bell?

    🎵Don’t need a watch to waste your time🎵

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2019 5:45 pm

    Don’t need to waste my time … period …

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2019 11:31 pm

    Not by as much as you think … that’s my point …

    It was a HUGE loss, because they were expected to win easily. There was a view that the Liberals would be decimated, with the expectation of even a good majority, a loss is significant.

    The ALP barrackers just don’t understand that the electorate doesn’t trust them, particularly with a numbers hack/warlord as leader.

    The ALP lost ground after 2 terms in opposition. When was the last time that happened?

  222. Burn`it`Now`Teabag permalink
    May 26, 2019 11:18 am

    But BHP has “no appetite for growth in energy coal regardless of asset attractiveness,” the company said in a briefing slide.

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/business/mining/bhp-foresees-phase-out-of-energy-coal-ng-s-1945403

    BHP is looking to add more oil, copper, and nickel resources to its portfolio, while souring on energy coal because it thinks the fossil fuel will be phased out, “potentially sooner than expected”.

    @the slack jawed yokels and premier anna must have missed this!

  223. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 26, 2019 12:57 pm

    Article said BHP sees no growth in energy coal used for generating electricity but a bright future for “metallurgical coal, used in steelmaking and mined by BHP in central Queensland.”

  224. Burn`it`Now`Teabag permalink
    May 26, 2019 8:24 pm

    Correct. So you think adani is interested in foundry coal???

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2019 9:00 pm

    By the way TB, I don’t see why you are being so selective with your parties. A more reasonable comparision of “conservative” vs “progressive” is –
    * ALP/Greens
    vs
    *LNP/ON/PUP

    How do the numbers then compare?

    The only conclusion is that the ALP is seriously on the nose when a divided Liberal/National Party wins the 2pp.

  226. Toot`Toot`Teabag permalink
    May 27, 2019 9:29 am

    For anybody else that`s interested in trump-train travels, euro-trash political duopoly`s are going under the wheels as voters choosing hard left greenists and hard right kkk-teabags. France voters have dumped macron and selected Le-Pen the `frExit` candidate. Scheduling indicates the trump-train will be arriving at ten-downing on Jun7 to collect theresa.

  227. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2019 11:02 am

    It was a HUGE loss, because they were expected to win easily.

    Can’t disagree with that.

    the electorate doesn’t trust them

    And why is that do you think? I mean, they have proven time and again to be more trustworthy than the libs, who, especially in the last few years, have corrupted and debased anything and everything they touch.

    Yet the ALP are always portrayed as unscrupulous, and the Conservatives as …………conservative.

    And who does the portraying?

  228. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2019 11:03 am

    What’s the bet the average pensioner will continue to pay for the libs largesses

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-27/the-baby-boomer-budget-problem-election-franking-credits/11147852

  229. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2019 11:05 am

    And facebook continues to be the rights chosen weapon of misinformation.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/alt-right-facebook-memes-pushed-anti-labor-message-20190522-p51pvy.html

  230. Tony permalink
    May 27, 2019 11:30 am

    QUESTION: You’ve been very emotional here today. What sort of personal toll has this taken on you?

    ANTHONY ALBANESE: Well this is tough. I like fighting Tories. That’s what I do. That’s what I do.

    Sounds like the right leader to win back Queensland.

  231. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2019 11:40 am

    Sounds like the right leader to win back Queensland.

    Yea, I’m not sure he’ll be there at the next election, but at least he’ll give a channel for us die hards aggression 🙂

  232. Tony permalink
    May 27, 2019 5:03 pm

    Albanese says he wants to reach out to all those who didn’t vote Labor. Guffaw.

    What about all those nasty Tories?

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2019 6:13 pm

    And why is that do you think? 

    The ALP want change, lots of people aren’t willing to just accept the word of politicians that the change will be beneficial.

    Whereas conservatives generally promise more of the same. That doesn’t sound as disruptive.

    The ALP doesn’t sell irs change program

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2019 9:20 pm

    The ALP doesn’t sell irs change program

    That’s because most people have become selfish pricks like you and ToSY …

    I think you meant “it’s” …

    Have you noticed that the only thing that brings a society together is a massive catastrophe – either natural of man-made … but there is always a certain percentage of the population that will take advantage of hardship …

    That hardship is coming …

    Beware … all those nasty Tories?

    Or in my case, any nasties beware …

    “And the meek shall inherit the world” … more fkn organised religious bullshit!

    JC was the first recorded socialist … he’s probably turning in his cryogenic chamber as we speak!

  235. Tony permalink
    May 27, 2019 9:41 pm

    “That’s because most people have become selfish pricks like you and ToSY …”

    Haw haw. Still bitter and twisted I see. You, of course, are not selfish. It’s only ever the other person who’s selfish.

    (BTW, I think you mean ‘its’. 🤣)

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2019 9:55 pm

    Still bitter and twisted I see. You, of course, are not selfish.

    Have you ever read my comments? I am an agnostic … I am a social democrat …

    You are a consistent, dickwit!

    I’m happy to discuss anything, reasonably … but you constantly seem to have a need to attack … I’m not “bitter”, I live a very comfortable and relaxed life* … but, attack me and expect retaliation! What else do you expect? Unless you get away with bullying in your “real” world … and I have no toleration for that at all!

    And you obviously don’t understand the standing banter, “I think you meant”, between ToM and me …

    *and this is part of it … oddly … and thanks to the Blogmeister …

  237. Tony permalink
    May 27, 2019 10:03 pm

    Whatevs, TB. The only thing you’ve consistently done is prove you can’t take it when your ‘arguments’ are defeated. [Invoking the ‘Blogmeister’ may or may not help you. I’m comfortable either way.]

    But …

    Whatever gets you through the night …

  238. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2019 11:09 pm

    That’s because most people have become selfish pricks like you and ToSY …

    It is hardly selfish to pay a whole lot of tax and expect the government to spend it efficiently. I just expect a government to be as prudent with my taxes as I am with my money

    The fact is (as you point out regularly) that people often become anxious about change. And (as you also point out) it is up to those proposing the change to manage, resolve or ameliorate the anxiety.

    The fault is squarely with the ALP for being unable to sell their plan for change . The fault is NOT with those that were anxious or concerned about change.

    In disciplines outside politics you seem to understand this TB and post that you have professionally consulted as a change agent . But when it comes to the ALP you’re inclined to blame the voting public, not those charged with the responsibility to “sell” the change.

    Why is it that you accept that business leaders are responsible for selling change, but don’t have the same expectation of political /ALP leaders?

    I think you meant “it’s” …

    I think I mean “its”, not it’s… it’s is only short for “it is”

    Its is a possessive pronoun like his.

  239. Soylent`Era`Teabag permalink
    May 28, 2019 8:01 am

    All the but,but,but, under the sun won`t change the fact that team dishwater is internally dis-functional. They will fail to clean house of knifers and jettison blib stooten. They will also continue to tie themselves in knots over their stupid demographic strictness that will continue to annoy the majority of voters and continue to allow the zombies to trudge over the line.

  240. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2019 8:44 am

    I just expect a government to be as prudent with my taxes as I am with my money

    #NBN spent more creating a dilapidated outdated service than the original plan
    half a billion to advertise the death of a reef
    paid tens of millions to a mates farm for water that will go to another farming corporation anyway
    pays a mate to a credit card for welfare that costs more than welfare recipients receive in the first place
    and how much went to a shock on Kangaroo Island

    yea, better economic managers my arse. we are in a per capita recession, driven mainly by the libs harsh industrial laws.

    Remember how the little ol innocent abc always introduced Labors policy as the “retiree tax”

    I’d say sucked in pensioners, but, that’d be mean.

    https://www.afr.com/news/policy/tax/retirement-incomes-face-review-20190524-p51qsi

  241. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2019 8:53 am

    Lies, damned lies, and #auspol #msm

  242. Soylent`Era`Teabag permalink
    May 28, 2019 10:03 am

    I`d have to admit tc, l`d have a bit of chuckle if my abc got a little budget clip. lt tends to get them over stimulated.

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2019 11:17 am

    ToM

    It is hardly selfish to pay a whole lot of tax and expect the government to spend it efficiently. I just expect a government to be as prudent with my taxes as I am with my money

    You seem to think no-one else pays taxes? I too paid a “whole lot of taxes” before I retired and still do …

    I’ve never complained about paying taxes – but I do complain about how they are spent … so we agree on that …

    The fact is (as you point out regularly) that people often become anxious about change. And (as you also point out) it is up to those proposing the change to manage, resolve or ameliorate the anxiety.

    And I did point those issues out – so I’m not sure what your point is (BTW I just read all of my comments above) …

    The fault is squarely with the ALP for being unable to sell their plan for change . The fault is NOT with those that were anxious or concerned about change.

    Once again I made the same point above … my role as a learning consultant was to “make complex issues simple to understand” and Labor failed to do this – as a also comment above …

    In disciplines outside politics you seem to understand this TB and post that you have professionally consulted as a change agent . But when it comes to the ALP you’re inclined to blame the voting public, not those charged with the responsibility to “sell” the change.

    Now you are beginning to sound like “superior” uni lecturer talking to a student … something you do quite often … I don’t, “seem to understand”, it – I do understand it … and I have applied it in the real world …

    And … at no time, (see above), have I “blamed” the voting public … nor am I “inclined to” … once again those are your words not mine …

    Why is it that you accept that business leaders are responsible for selling change, but don’t have the same expectation of political /ALP leaders?

    Who said I didn’t … I certainly haven’t …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And a last word to ToSY.

    [Invoking the ‘Blogmeister’ may or may not help you. I’m comfortable either way.]

    You do realise that is insulting to, reb, (not me) and he maintains this site … not me … and I certainly don’t need to “invoke” anyone …

    Now I’ve tried this before but I’ll have another go … I’m happy to play nicely here … are you?

  244. ivi permalink
    May 28, 2019 2:52 pm

    (The ALP lost ground after 2 terms in opposition. When was the last time that happened?

    I know, right; because convincing* relatively-poor, relatively-ill-educated, relatively-low-culture, absolutely-oft-denigrated people in already-quasi-secessionary (North) Queensland to (re-)embrace a 19th Century blacklung economy as their immediate/only future instead of (just(ly)-)transitioning to a (early-)mid-21st Century solar-hydrogen-ammonia economy is just so trustworthy on any (time)scale; fair’d’income, as a party to a Party or Parties intent on promising to Keeping the Promise of Australia for all Australians, especially the childrens, you’d have to be mad not to mine the heck out of that (shallow) reservoir of resentiment as your contribution to local, national, and global leaderships in an emergent, low(er)-carbon world.

    Or, to put it another way: when was the last time that Australia and Australians, including North Queenslanders, did/n’t progress, on any metric, compared with global peers and/or competitors, per sometimes-underbaked-in-the-heat-of-not-barracking (Coalition) policy prescriptions?

    ————

    Fascinating article-said, Neil….

    “….But there’s a possibility that gas will be leapfrogged by emerging markets as they opt for renewable energy, Mr Beaven said.

    BHP also sees potash, used in fertiliser, as a valuable asset in the long-term as food insecurity drives increased need for potassium….)

    ————

    Apparently, everyone’s SWOTting up; is that a progressive or a conservative thang; b’coz both ‘parties of government’ seem to be engaging in a bit of it, lately, after their respective little-big win(s)-loss(es) in their Parties’ (ir)respective ‘traditional heartlands’?)

  245. Soylent`Era`Teabag permalink
    May 28, 2019 3:43 pm

    (“Behavioural Economics” overlooked the primary “Lesson” as Legacy outlets tend to do.

    Once bitten. Twice shy.)

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2019 4:41 pm

    Hear! Hear! @ ivi!

    🙂

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2019 4:41 pm

    #NBN spent more creating a dilapidated outdated service than the original plan

    So many falsehoods. Whose original plan, Howards or Rudds? Labors original 2007 election policy was a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. That original plan was thrown into the bin after the election. One of the biggest lies ever to win an election. Labors next plan was decided on a plane flight in 2009 costing who knows what and finished who knows when.

    And only a fool would believe FTTP would be cheaper than FTTN.

    And the topic was govt waste. Rudd/Conroy put the NBN off-budget so it is not funded by the taxpayer like other govt programs

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2019 5:36 pm

    TB if you say – That’s because most people have become selfish pricks like you and ToSY … no amount of lofty self justification can address that insult or generalisation.

  249. Cut`Da`Why`Errz`Teabag permalink
    May 28, 2019 5:56 pm

    So you still think the rest of the planet is nation building with telegraph wire???

  250. May 28, 2019 6:13 pm

    I think you meant “it’s” …

    Have you noticed that the only thing that brings a society together is a massive catastrophe

    I think you mean “apostrophe”…

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2019 6:42 pm

    ToM

    no amount of lofty self justification can address that insult or generalisation.

    ToM, No amount of lofty self justification can address that insult or generalisation.

    Try this … It *will* affect me personally – for the better. What a lovely day … I hope Labor keeps putting climate change at the head of their policy platform because sane practical voters won’t go for it. Okay, so the voters were sucked in … The stoopid electorate is to blame … My share portfolio is up 3.5% today. Clearly investors love ScoMo!

    And ToM … if anyone on this blog considers themselves, “lofty”, its you …

    Want some examples of your lofty self justifications? Read above … or I can research it for you …

    You’re right wing Liberals won the election and you are still frightened that we might challenge the government … that’s what we do (it seems) … but we won’t challenge like The Mad Abbott … at least hopefully we won’t …

    As I keep saying … move on … when the Happy Clappy Clan fuck up I’ll fire up … FFS you lot will never be satisfied until you have a diktat!

    My lot fucked up … I’ve moved on … and with Albanese in charge … you lot got a bonus … he’s not the ALP’s answer … actually Plibersek was …

    All I want is a government that will GOVERN!

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2019 6:44 pm

    I think you mean “apostrophe”…

    Are you moderating me?

    Ok, ToM, does get a bit serious …

    Are you really Kamahl?

  253. Tony permalink
    May 28, 2019 7:10 pm

    “I’ve moved on”

    Hilarious!😉🤣

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2019 7:17 pm

    You’re right wing Liberals…

    I think you mean “Your right wing Liberals…”

  255. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2019 8:31 am

    Hear! Hear! @ ivi!

    I AGREE!

    fucken religious nutters
    This is what all those dumbasses were tricked into voting for

    Didn’t see that in their policy positions (or the pension fiddles, or the GST increases)

    https://thewest.com.au/news/religion-and-belief/religious-freedom-on-top-of-governments-agenda-christian-porter-ng-b881213102z

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2019 8:50 am

    “I think you mean “apostrophe”…”

    Brilliant!

  257. Praise`da`blib`Teabag permalink
    May 29, 2019 9:08 am

    Nah, for some, its just easier to believe in a skyfairy they can`t see; instead of a blib stooten they can see!

  258. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2019 9:45 am

    The universe had a beginning – before that was only god.

  259. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2019 10:09 am

    before that was only god.

    And his name was Rod

  260. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2019 10:32 am

    Miranda Devine…………..

    “The party of the worker, founded in Barcaldine, rural Queensland, under the fabled “Tree of Knowledge” during the shearer’s strike of 1891, is caught in a cultural pincer movement.

    On one side, stand the stern frauleins of EMILY’s List, representing hard-left feminism. On the other is Rainbow Labor, the political mainstreaming of the fringe LGBTQI movement. Woe betide anyone who doesn’t meekly acquiesce to their demands….

    ……A friend in the Socialist Left recently complained to him privately after a conference caucus meeting about how “doctrinaire” colleagues had become.

    “He just could not believe how much of the meeting had been turned over to talking about sexuality/gender matters when there were so many other issues that needed to be discussed. They sucked up so much of the meeting’s oxygen.

    “People wanted to move on to other issues but the protagonists kept talking and demanded to be heard.”

    Those shearers who gathered for a fair go under that Queensland tree, wouldn’t recognise their party. The electorate in which they met, Maranoa, is now the safest Coalition seat in the country and recorded Queensland’s highest No vote in the same-sex marriage survey.

    But, like Joe Bullock, the founders of the Labor Party wouldn’t even vote for themselves today. Why would the rest of mainstream Australia? “”

  261. Try`Again`Teabag permalink
    May 29, 2019 10:33 am

    There is a lot of hostility from travelers that were not on the trump-train last week. Those travelers should refocus their hostility toward their team strategists where it rightfully belongs. lf those team strategists were doing their job properly they would ; 1.invite the ghost of blib stooten to fcukoff immediately and not haunt future chances 2.run albo and plib `the dream team` as leader and deputy 3.stop tying their team in knots over internal demographics that will shit voters to death 4.set smart and limited policy platform, not a fcuking shopping list.

  262. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2019 10:42 am

    Why would the rest of mainstream Australia?

    I was hoping it was because they wouldn’t believe the lies that dopes like devine print.

    I was Wroo .. wro oo ..

    inaccurate 😉

  263. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2019 10:52 am

    ; 1.invite the ghost of blib stooten to fcukoff immediately and not haunt future chances 2.run albo and plib `the dream team` as leader and deputy 3.stop tying their team in knots over internal demographics that will shit voters to death 4.set smart and limited policy platform, not a fcuking shopping list.

    Good points all of them. Hawke and Keating were the dream team after the ALP ditched the Drover’s Dog. Hawke transitioned from the far left to the centre and became the most successful ALP PM.

    Albo has an endearing personality but can he and the party curb its radical leftist streak? And can Albo stay away from the Vietnamese brothels?

  264. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2019 10:59 am

    “And can Albo stay away from the Vietnamese brothels?”

    LOL you and me must speak to similar people

  265. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2019 11:07 am

    And can Albo stay away from the Vietnamese brothels

    I see killAlbo hasn’t taken long to get rolling 😉

  266. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2019 11:18 am

    Bring back Blib! Who reflects the ALP better a rapist or a brothel creeper?

  267. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2019 11:22 am

    “LOL you and me must speak to similar people”

    We’ve all seen the pic. He said he only went to the premises to discus planning issues. I hope his planning came to fruition in the one hour session.

  268. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2019 11:29 am

    We’ve all seen the pic.

    I didn’t. Better to share it.

  269. Tony permalink
    May 29, 2019 12:16 pm

    This is all a beat up. I have it on good authority that Albo’s cheque book stub on that day clearly states it was for ‘Drainage’.

  270. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 29, 2019 1:15 pm

    So you still think the rest of the planet is nation building with telegraph wire???

    OK what would u say if Labors FTTP network cost $500/month for basic internet? Is fibre worth the extra cost? Would people be willing to pay that much for basic internet service?

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2019 1:58 pm

    Yawn … zzzzzzzzzz

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2019 4:56 pm

    For those obsessed with political extreme, point scoring games – guess which one is the fascist and which one is the socialist …

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/people/2019/05/28/egg-boy-donation-christchurch-victims/

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2019 6:27 pm

    Is egg boy a socialist? I can see he’s anti nutcase racist. Is there more?

    I think Stalin was a socialist, it isn’t necessarily a sign of progressive compassion

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2019 6:29 pm

    Here’s a clue …

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2019 6:32 pm

    I think Stalin was a socialist

    Oh, dear … again …

    … he’s anti nutcase racist … What does that mean?

  276. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2019 6:50 pm

    What does that mean?

    Хэн нэгэн тэдний оюун ухаан алдаж байна

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2019 9:09 pm

    From The Age…

    Rank-and-file union members are demanding that the CFMMEU’s Victorian secretary John Setka be sacked after he indicated he would plead guilty to harassing a woman, while criticising the case’s handling by union and Labor party leadership.

    Setka has to go, and the CFMEU should be thrown out of the ALP if he stays in a leadership role

  278. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 29, 2019 9:12 pm

    I mwan egg boy doesn’t like racist nutcases. That’s fine with me!! I think at a similar age, I might have thrown a tomato at Fraser.

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2019 10:28 pm

    Chuckle @ TR … mmmm

  280. Toot`Toot`Teabag permalink
    May 30, 2019 8:16 am

    Well comrades, albo will be getting his instructions at the team meating today, from those internal demographics that are commonly referred to as da-factionz. By the end of the day we will all find out if there is perfect balance between the white faction and the black faction, and between the penis faction and the vagina faction, and between the right faction and the left faction, and so forth. The ghost of blib stooten will be endorsed by all as the shadow minister of haunting the albo opposition. l can already hear voters booking their tickets on the trump-train for 2022.

  281. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2019 8:48 am

    The “conservatives” are still pushing the ‘it’s ok to be a bigot’ line.

    Next step, “it’s OK to be a pedophile (as long as you are doing it in Rods name)”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/folau-s-law-coalition-mps-push-for-bolder-action-in-a-new-dawn-for-religious-freedom-20190529-p51s9m.html

    Yes, my fellow, gullible Ostrayans voted for this. I had a chat on the weekend with a friend I thought was astute, and he is ropable about palmer sending his vote to the libs.

    I had nothing but derision for him. I had assumed he was a smart person. Boy, was I wrong

  282. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    May 30, 2019 9:33 am

    Only the dills vote above the line teamcheerer. Only voting below the line stops team-dealing and preference whisperers.

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2019 11:29 am

    The “conservatives” are still pushing the ‘it’s ok to be a bigot’ line.

    I guess the major difference between democracy and communism is that the former representatives generally believe one of two reasons for their actions – 1. god made me do it; or 2. God has forgiven me (so I’ll keep doing it) … the latter representatives are told … nah … you did it … bang!

  284. Walrus permalink
    May 30, 2019 11:31 am

    “…….and he is ropable about palmer sending his vote to the libs.”

    Yeah I gotta say now that 1 to 12 below the line counts I certainly wont go above the line from now on. Too many party hacks get the top positions

    We should just go back to the original winner in the Senate takes all as created upon Federation and since progressively bastardised ever since

  285. Why`T`Pow`Err`Teabag permalink
    May 30, 2019 11:46 am

    But in parliament and bananaland they like that color. Getting all het-up b`coz the barking mad think their dog is still fluttering around in an angry rampage coz a couple of primates nicked an apple or two from the talking snakes enchanted fruit patch, well, what kind of skyfairy is that. Or sanity.

  286. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 30, 2019 2:10 pm

    Good points all of them. Hawke and Keating were the dream team after the ALP ditched the Drover’s Dog. Hawke transitioned from the far left to the centre and became the most successful ALP PM.

    I first heard statements like that in 2007. Any good economic numbers which happened under Howard was due to reforms brought in by hawke/keating according to ALP supporters.

    But what did they actually do? Debt went from 6% to 18% of GDP under Hawke/keating and we lost our AAA credit rating. Unemployment was high from 1983-1996 and was at 11% when keating became PM.

    Keating did introduce compulsory Super but it is not working. When retiring people are cashing in their Super, spending the money and then going on the pension. Super was supposed to replace the aged pension

  287. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2019 2:23 pm

    But what did they actually do?

    Has it been mentioned recently that nil, you are an idiot

  288. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 30, 2019 2:40 pm

    All I can remember is debt tripling and we lost our AAA credit rating under Hawke/Keating and we had more than 2 years of double digit unemployment in the early 1990’s. No good economic numbers from 1983-1996. Victoria went close to being bankrupt, banks closing etc

    And Super is not working. It was supposed to stop people going on the aged pension

    TomR have I mentioned u r a FOOL?

  289. Tony permalink
    May 30, 2019 6:20 pm

    “But obviously we were up against corporate leviathans — a financial behemoth — spending unprecedented hundreds of millions of dollars, advertising, telling lies, spreading fear. And they got what they wanted.”

    – Bill Shorten. Not my fault. It was Palmer and Murdoch.

  290. Tony permalink
    May 30, 2019 6:27 pm

    What I’d like to know is which one is the Leviathan and which one the Behemoth.

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2019 6:37 pm

    – Bill Shorten. Not my fault. It was Palmer and Murdoch.

    SMH …

    BTW, didn’t I show you how to link news articles many years ago?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/30/bill-shorten-blames-powerful-vested-interests-for-labors-election-defeat

    So, you didn’t take up my peace offer again, ToSY?

    Just checking? 🙂

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2019 6:44 pm

    What I’d like to know is which one is the Leviathan and which one the Behemoth.

    You had to check Wiki to find out???

    BTW, the corporates (that’s big companies) are the leviathans and the financials refer to banking and real estate interests … but you knew it was Murdoch and Palmer that threw millions of dollars Labor …

    So you obviously know that big business media, mining, real estate, banking and insurance impacted the votes of ordinary Australians

    Along with dodgy signs, advertising and lies about tax …

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2019 6:47 pm

    TR … thanks for the Iron Maiden – Sheriff of Huddersfield (got a bit busy here)

    A town dear ta me ‘art, lad! 🙂

  294. Tony permalink
    May 30, 2019 7:01 pm

    “So, you didn’t take up my peace offer again, ToSY?”

    Oh, you made a peace offer? I must have misssed ignored it.

  295. Tony permalink
    May 30, 2019 7:13 pm

    Palmer? Murdoch?

  296. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2019 7:47 pm

    There you go TB again, it wasn’t Shorten’s fault that he couldn’t persuade the public of the benefits of his significant change agenda, it was-
    * Murdoch
    * Palmer
    * Financial institutions
    * The selfish public…

    Don’t you think it’s time that you stopped blaming everyone except Shorten?

  297. Tony permalink
    May 30, 2019 7:52 pm

    I think it’s hilarious. It shows Labor has learnt nothing from their defeat. I’m happy for them to go right through to the next election blaming everyone but themselves. See where that gets them.

  298. Tony permalink
    May 30, 2019 7:56 pm

    It’s only a matter of time before some junior strategist comes up with the bright idea that the Russians interfered in the election. And ScoMo colluded with them.

  299. ivi permalink
    May 30, 2019 10:46 pm

    (Yes, indeedy: I blame Pig Iron Bob for the We-Believe retardation; as Quietly Australian as the Forgotten People’s champion was about his fervour for open-cut coal-mines, eradicating commie-unionist-socialist-perverts, and coopting the Xtian vote, after the collapse into the Murdoch-IPA-(co-)originated Liberal Party of his Labor-vote-splitter UAP; and it’s not as if the Back-in-Blacks weren’t especially fresh in their in-the-reds-under-the-beds campaign-theme(s) the last few elections).)

  300. File`N`Rank`Teabags permalink
    May 31, 2019 7:40 am

    estimates that by 2020 renewables will be cheaper than fossil fuels in every major region of the world. Investment in new coal power in India is also falling, where new solar power can now be delivered for $40 per megawatt hour as opposed to $60 to $70 per megawatt hour for new coal power. And as the penetration of renewables grows, prices will continue to fall, a process many analysts believe will lead to a rapid decline in the value of fossil fuel investments of all kinds.

    Although they should not distract from the scale and urgency of the task ahead, these developments are part of a larger transformation of the debate. Only a decade ago the notion the world needed to transition away from coal was a fringe idea, seldom heard outside environmental circles; now it is widely accepted as an inevitability. But these developments also underscore one of the key conundrums facing those who seek action on climate change. Those in power are not going to fix the problem: even when they are not working actively to frustrate action, the institutional inertia and influence of the fossil fuel industry make change incredibly difficult. Left to its own devices conventional politics would already have delivered not just Carmichael but also mass exploitation of the Galilee; the only reason that has not happened is because activists, community groups and others have worked tirelessly to prevent it.

    Simultaneously, though, the systemic change needed to transition from coal will only be delivered through the mechanisms of representative politics. Governments will only do better when they are compelled to. There is no one path to this goal, although as the shift to renewables accelerates, the economic logic will become more and more difficult to resist. Nor will it be easy, and time is desperately short. But as the battle over Carmichael shows, it can be done.

  301. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 8:27 am

    We don’t need the ruskies tosy, we have our own oligarchs already buying off the electorate.

    Glad you liked it TB 😉 apparently, their manager didn’t 🙂

    Here’s a tribute to the aussie electorate who voted based on their social media adverts. Cambridge Analytica is alive and well, they’ve just gone underground.

  302. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 8:35 am

    Sad, but soon to be true

  303. Tony permalink
    May 31, 2019 8:50 am

    “We don’t need the ruskies tosy, we have our own oligarchs already buying off the electorate.”

    No worries. Just don’t blame the ‘pardy’.

  304. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 8:54 am

    Just don’t blame the ‘pardy’.

    Not sure why you would blame the ‘pardy’ for not being able to combat the same forces that garnered the US election and Brexit

    Both of whom are now experiencing buyers remorse on steroids 😉

  305. Tony permalink
    May 31, 2019 9:05 am

    “for not being able to combat the same forces that garnered the US election and Brexit”

    The voters.

  306. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 9:10 am

    The voters.

    What part of buyers remorse don’t you understand?

    I mean, Brexit is moving along fabulously, isn’t it 😉

  307. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 9:12 am

    Looks like our msm have learnt a lot from the election

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/bill-shorten-may-not-have-abandoned-his-leadership-ambitions-20190530-p51sr4.html

  308. Tony permalink
    May 31, 2019 9:31 am

    “I mean, Brexit is moving along fabulously, isn’t it 😉”

    You must have missed the results of the EU elections. The only buyers remorse ‘Leave’ voters have is how ineptly Brexit has been handled by Teresa May. Other than that, they just reiterated their will by electing Brexit Party to 29 of 73 UK seats.

    “Mr Farage’s party won 29 seats, the Lib Dems 16, Labour 10, the Greens seven, the Tories four, the SNP three, and Plaid Cymru and the DUP one each.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48418834

  309. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 9:46 am

    Or, Labour handled Brexit, and it’s aftermath, worst than even may did?

  310. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:00 am

    New Labor leader Anthony Albanese agrees “vested interests” had a hand in the election loss.

    “There is no doubt that vested interests did play a role,” he told Nine’s Today program.
    “But we also have to accept our responsibility that some of the policies that we put forward clearly didn’t connect with enough people.”

    “vested interests” ?……………………………………..Most people just call them voters

  311. Tony permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:00 am

    Perhaps. But the political ‘elite’ certainly did not carry out the clear will of the people.

  312. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:14 am

    Most people just call them voters

    true, palmer is also a voter

    and an influencer with a lazy $55 million

    What’s his reward is the question

  313. Tony permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:21 am

    Hopefully every member of Teh Pardy believes they bear no responsibility for the election loss. As long as they think it was the Leviathans and Behemoths wot dunnit, they won’t address their inherent internal problems.

  314. Caaaarp`Teabag permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:23 am

    Utter crap teamcheerer. Dying the death of 1000 cuts. Cambridge Analytica, facebook, and twitter won`t be needed. The ghost of blib stooten and LimitedNews will be all that`s needed to recall the trump-train in 2022.

  315. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:31 am

    they won’t address their inherent internal problems.

    You mean, like throwing their public support behind a convicted pedophile?
    Or giving half a billion dollars to their mates to advertise the GBR?
    or killing a river system by buying non existent water from their mates?

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:32 am

    Oh, you made a peace offer? I must have misssed ignored it.

    Duly noted for future reference … sniping does risk ricochets …

  317. Far`age`Teabag permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:48 am

    Do the maths teamcheerer, farage got twice as many (plus-one) seats as labor and teabags combined. So called `major` teams are on the nose globally.

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:54 am

    * Murdoch, * Palmer, * Financial institutions Guilty as charged

    * The selfish public… Your words – once again slipping in a little of your words and trying to transfer them to others … (pity its not the real world – I’m assuming you are familiar with defamation …)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “vested interests” ?……………………………………..Most people just call them voters

    er … media moguls, mining conglomerations, real estate institutes, big business, multinationals, government funded lobbyists, industry associations (business unions), multi-millionaires/billionaires* all … are not voters – they are vested interests that spend bloody ‘uge amounts of dollars and time influencing the outcome of Australian elections …

    8 Some with $4000, 000,000 apparently 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In fact this thread has been swamped by giddy LNP supporters telling us all how and why the ALP lost the election … I haven’t read one comment about how the LNP WON the election … ’cause they didn’t … the ALP lost it … their GST moment …

    Next year is shaping up as a GFC II … so I suggest a planning session for when it happens … ’cause I can’t see the “economic managers” handling it … unless they can contact You Know Who … via the Happy Clappy Club …

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:57 am

    Reap what you sow … Luke 8:4-18

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 11:05 am

    Albo, says it all …

    Speaking on Today this morning, new Labor leader Anthony Albanese was asked about Mr Shorten’s comments.

    “We listened to the verdict of the people. The people always get it right. There’s no point complaining about what happened on the field,” he said.

    “When you look at the scoreboard at the end of the day, we were defeated by about 77-68 will be the final score.

  321. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 11:43 am

    Lipstick, meet pig

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 12:23 pm

    Nice play on words there, TR – sort of … (reap – sow – lipstick – pig)

    Glad, Albo, reads our comments anyway … 🙂

  323. Burn`it`Now`Teabag permalink
    May 31, 2019 12:46 pm

    But you`re still guzzling the koolade teebz, which seems to be wiping out you`re managementy trainy trainy and changey agenty trainy trainy and reducing you to “in-box” thinking. Are you really satisfied with any of the team dishwater strategy?

    (and l`ve suggested plenty above)

  324. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 1:35 pm

    and l`ve suggested plenty above

    like anyone could understand if you had lol

  325. Choo`Choo`Teabag permalink
    May 31, 2019 1:56 pm

    I`m certain that “anyone could understand if ” a team and team swooners remain arc-welded to proven failed strategies that resulted in voters driving the trump-train over them twice already; then not changing strategy will just result in voters doing it again.

  326. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 2:02 pm

    I`m certain that “anyone could understand if ” you didn’t dribble like a moron

  327. Know`Counting`Teabag permalink
    May 31, 2019 2:39 pm

    Now, Now, Now, tc, play nicely. Knock off the adhoms. l`m not telling you anything l didn`t tell you 156 weeks ago, and likely to be telling you again in 156 weeks time.

  328. Tony permalink
    May 31, 2019 3:26 pm

    Albanese at least is (mouthing words) accepting responsibility for the loss. “The people always get it right.” Correct. Shorten has lost it, if he ever had it. We dodged a bullet there.

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 3:41 pm

    Are you really satisfied with any of the team dishwater strategy?

    Are you asking me a question?

    If you are trying to say do I agree with the policies of the ALP the answer is yes … now can you tell me what the LNP policies are and what they will do?

  330. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2019 4:18 pm

    can you tell me what the LNP policies are and what they will do?

    “Well, they won’t be bringing in a death tax” (live from the street)

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2019 5:17 pm

    Just to quote you TB – “That’s because most people have become selfish pricks…”

  332. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2019 5:24 pm

    “We dodged a bullet there.”

    Morison came across as a smiling optimistic character

    Shorten just came across as divisive, untrustworthy, unhappy and as an arsehole.

    Exhibit 1. The bullshit line to the Gladstone port worker who the ALP heavies then sacked

    Exhibit 2. Repeatedly on morning TV referring to the PM as “that other bloke”. He just came across as a nasty cunt

    Exhibit 3. The stupidity of refusing to cost out his Climate policies inferring anyone asking what it would cost was dumb or a charlatan

    Exhibit 4. The stupid attempt IN THE FINAL WEEK to wedge Scot Morison’s religious beliefs and the Israel Folau comments. That would have played out well in the non Christian religious parts of Western Sydney especially Lindsay where there is a massive Hillsong following

    Shorten is just not likeable.

    I know which of them I’d rather have a beer with

    Then add in Bowen and his arrogant vote for someone else comments.

    The choice was simple

  333. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2019 5:25 pm

    And I have not even addressed the policy shortcomings

  334. Walrus permalink
    May 31, 2019 5:30 pm

    Having said all that I do hope Shorten somehow becomes Opposition Leader prior to 2022. That way he can become the modern day version of Arthur Caldwell and lose 3 elections in a row 1961,1963 and 1966

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 6:01 pm

    Just to quote you TB – “That’s because most people have become selfish pricks…”

    Should I have qualified that with “like you” … didn’t I do that? Or is it out of context again?

    Can you refer me to my comment please?

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2019 6:08 pm

    TB, could you just explain why you said – “Your words – once again slipping in a little of your words and trying to transfer them to others …”

    When earlier you said- That’s because most people have become selfish pricks…

    I’m hardly misrepresenting the sentiments you have expressed about most peiple becoming selfish pricjs

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2019 6:09 pm

    Yes, you said most people are selfish pricks like me and Tony…

    So how have I misrepresented your sentiments?

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 6:33 pm

    Morison came across as a smiling optimistic character

    I think you mean Morrison … he came across as a false dick playing games with kids (poorly) and drinking piss in any pub he could find …

    Exhibit 1. The bullshit line to the Gladstone port worker who the ALP heavies then sacked

    Shorten or the ALP did not sack the guy … management did …

    xhibit 2. Repeatedly on morning TV referring to the PM as “that other bloke”. He just came across as a nasty cunt

    Heard of KillBill and your comment says it all …

    Exhibit 3. The stupidity of refusing to cost out his Climate policies inferring anyone asking what it would cost was dumb or a charlatan

    Can you cost the LNP claim of a “surplus” if ya cut taxes? (Rider: Telstra cutting 6000 jobs – and so it continues)

    Did LNP cost out its planned coal powered plant grants and subsidies

    xhibit 4. The stupid attempt IN THE FINAL WEEK to wedge Scot Morison’s religious beliefs and the Israel Folau comments. That would have played out well in the non Christian religious parts of Western Sydney especially Lindsay where there is a massive Hillsong following

    Shorten didn’t wedge anyone – he is a Christian, C of E brought up Catholic – Folau’s outbursts were not freedom of speech they were offensive to many people including many Christians … Morrison stumbled and fudged the question – ’cause he’s a fringe dweller christian like Folau … and if you use Hillsong as an example you have issues too … you also demonstrate the Liberal art of deception …

    Shorten is just not likeable. To you … you’re a victim supporter of KillBill Syndrome – just read above … and BTW you’re not the only player on the ground!

    Your Team won 77-68 … do you think my Team will just away and take their football home? See ya … SOON! (Than you think)

    I know which of them I’d rather have a beer with I know which one would pay for the round – out of his own pocket!

    Then add in Bowen and his arrogant vote for someone else comments. Here we agree (always something) … that was dumb – remember Keating’s “Get a job” (he could almost have been a Liberal …) 🙂

    The choice was simple Actually …. that was the problem … someone forgot KISS … as (I think) I said earlier … this election was the ALP GST moment …

    ****

    And I have not even addressed the policy shortcomings

    You call them shortcomings … you investor, you … (I confess I’ve retired from investments … did well 75% total return … guess where 5% of that 25% went? Chuckle)

    ****

    as for your ALP history … I’ll leave that alone – especially how the Liberals abdicated in wars and serious economic global issues … 🙂

    Like old times … Wally

    Catch ya …

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2019 6:35 pm

    Yes, you said most people are selfish pricks like me and Tony…

    So how have I misrepresented your sentiments?

    I suspect you missed the “context” out as usual … refer me to my comment – ’tis not difficult …

  340. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2019 6:42 pm

    No… calling most of the public “selfish pricks ” like me and Tony just demonstrates your distain for people when they choose not to agree with you.

    If there is any other way of interpreting your wirds, you’re welcome to explain.

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2019 7:06 pm

    …disdain and words…

    Commenting on a phone …
    ——–
    But really TB, calling the public (or anyone else) selfish pricks because they don’t hapoen to share your political is intolerant. But you regularly complain about sniping

  342. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2019 7:34 pm

    Here is the new Opposition leader in action

  343. Tony permalink
    May 31, 2019 10:01 pm

  344. Bockz`Kar`Teabag permalink
    June 1, 2019 5:24 am

    but,but,but, lt was `his-turn` (-:

    Well if somebody with such a self-impressive cv can`t tell the difference between `strategy` and `policy` then team dishwater really is stuffed in 2022 aren`t they.

  345. ivi permalink
    June 1, 2019 8:08 am

    (Speaking of #libspill, or more generally, I s’pose it’d be gauche to recall that some manchilds are better than others at fabricating/wearing/interpreting their (and others’) smiling-and-optimistic/glib-and-superficial-charm masks.)

  346. Tony permalink
    June 1, 2019 8:09 am

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2019 9:17 am

    So, who won the last Federal Election again?

    On and fkn on … The ToSY & Tom Comedy Show …

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2019 9:22 am

    Thanks, ivi … but I doubt other will understand it … let’s see shall we …? 🙂

    Ethical egoism claims that I morally ought to perform some action if and only if, and because, performing that action maximizes my self-interest. (There are possibilities other than maximization. One might, for example, claim that one ought to achieve a certain level of welfare, but that there is no requirement to achieve more. Ethical egoism might also apply to things other than acts, such as rules or character traits. Since these variants are uncommon, and the arguments for and against them are largely the same as those concerning the standard version, I set them aside.)

    One issue concerns how much ethical egoism differs in content from standard moral theories. It might appear that it differs a great deal. After all, moral theories such as Kantianism, utilitarianism, and common-sense morality require that an agent give weight to the interests of others. They sometimes require uncompensated sacrifices, particularly when the loss to the agent is small and the gain to others is large. (Say the cost to me of saving a drowning person is getting my shirtsleeve wet.) Ethical egoists can reply, however, that egoism generates many of the same duties to others. The argument runs as follows. Each person needs the cooperation of others to obtain goods such as defense or friendship. If I act as if I give no weight to others, others will not cooperate with me. If, say, I break my promises whenever it is in my direct self-interest to do so, others will not accept my promises, and may even attack me. I do best, then, by acting as if others have weight (provided they act as if I have weight in return).

    It is unlikely that this argument proves that ethical egoism generates all of the standard duties to others. For the argument depends on the ability of others to cooperate with me or attack me should I fail to cooperate. In dealings with others who lack these abilities, the egoist has no reason to cooperate. The duties to others found in standard moral theories are not conditional in this way. I do not, for example, escape a duty to save a drowning person, when I can easily do so, just because the drowning person (or anyone watching) happens never to be able to offer fruitful cooperation or retaliation.

  349. Box`Karr`Teabag permalink
    June 1, 2019 3:45 pm

    Somebody didn`t understand the last paragraph! (Toot. Toot.)

  350. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2019 4:02 pm

    TB, when you call most people “selfish pricks” how can that possibly not be interpreted as –
    * blaming the public for the election result,and
    * an insult ??

    You’ve blamed Murdoch, Palmer, banks and the public for the result. Don’t you think it might be that Shorten and the ALP are just in the nose? And that after years of being front runners they took the win for granted?

  351. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2019 4:58 pm

    You’re telling your story, ToM … you seem to be able to read everyone’s mind … never learned how to do that …

    BTW …

    Those fucking unions again!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/dirty-trick-huge-win-for-workers-stood-down-without-pay-over-tshirt-dispute/news-story/0a83ad0cb04e3569d47d5c661e6ea5a6

    Don’t tell me unions are no longer necessary!

  352. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2019 5:50 pm

    TB Queensland May 27, 2019 9:20 pm

    That’s because most people have become selfish pricks like you and ToSY …

    They’re your words TB, not mine – insulting and blaming the public.

    And you regularly complain about sniping

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2019 6:31 pm

    1. That’s not “sniping” … sniping is turning up out of the blue not being in the “discussion/debate/argument” and aiming at a particular person not a comment … see above for examples …

    2. People are more selfish these days … don’t blame me for stating the bleeding obvious or for the ALP’s administration of their election campaign – they lost I’m over it why aren’t you … I’m not responsible for either

    Shall I find ToSY’s comment and yours … they’re sitting above …

    But … I’m getting concerned … you really have a problem … see a shrink … soon

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2019 6:37 pm

    Here’s a surfer story … surfer competition interference or assistance?

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/conner-coffins-incredible-ride-was-boosted-by-the-help-of-some-locals/news-story/e96b347917ef3544564397eed9076cad

    Watch the vid!

  355. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2019 7:10 pm

    RB, you simply provide an insult and then deny it.

    You blame a selfish public for the ALP’s loss, and deny that you blame the electorate

    You say – “see a shrink”, you’ll probably say that’s not an insult or personal too.

    Have a look in the mirror.

  356. Tony permalink
    June 1, 2019 7:19 pm

    “Shall I find ToSY’s comment and yours … they’re sitting above ”

    Please do. By the way, are you familiar with the term ‘gaslighting’?

  357. ivi permalink
    June 1, 2019 9:48 pm

    (We dodged a bullet there.

    Whew! For a moment I almost thought that NewsCrop was say-admitting ‘It was the HUN wot won it’; but it was only a squawking Parrot claiming credit for playing a peripheral-yet-(self)-assuredly-pivotal investiture role; because not even the Smellograph seemingly had much ‘change agency’ impact, let alone Rupert’s Melbourne rag, loosely-judging by the statuses quo ante in Victoria and NSW; still, there’s always the Sunny Coast Daily and ‘you’re next Anna’ to fantasise about; I s’pose.

    ————

    Teach your children to go on (un)representative ‘democracy’ strike; screw with everyone’s glorious Age of Majority calculations; selectively engage in everyday participatory-democractic activities; and give Mandy, The-Devine-Right (il)legitimate conniptions about teh social(-liberal)ist yoof? No way! Go back to correctional-state-mandated citizenship-re-re-education campus, leetle sheets!)

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2019 8:52 am

    This where we are heading!

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/01/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-bar-tipped-minimum-wage-queens-new-york

    Where is Australia’s, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

  359. Bockz`Car`Teabag permalink
    June 2, 2019 11:26 am

    (Usually when bullet dodging (my)taxpayer(funded)ABC tend to claim lt(s)All-Twitters-Fault(s) while (will)Fully ignoring the deeply embedded (rectal)Cancer-Of (global)Limited(news) infecting so(called)many democracy(s). Dwindling (incre)mental gymnastic(s) efforts within Legacy outlets can never overcome any outfit(s) ultimately pushing a (dud)product(s).)

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2019 12:17 pm

    Why do people get so anxious when they actually win something? Very odd.

  361. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2019 4:31 pm

    A partisan barracker who thinks most people are greedy pricks because they don’t agree with his political orientation should see a shrink.

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2019 7:43 pm

    Whooo …anxious alright … misquoting again!

  363. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2019 8:25 pm

    Not anxious TB, just finding the hypocrisy, denial and bland/careless insults a little tedious.

    So I’ve decided not to overlook all that, and certainly there’s not much you overlook

  364. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2019 8:36 pm

    Who’d have thought that $55 million in targeted saturation ads that worked in both the us and UK (at far less expense and saturation) would have no impact here with our tuned in and insightful voters

    I mean, it’s even got alan jones seal of approval 😯

  365. Walrus permalink
    June 2, 2019 9:27 pm

    Newspoll out just now

    ALP still leads by 3% 2pp

    😀

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2019 9:39 pm

    ToM, what does any of that mean? Want to know where this all began …

    ToSY

    “will make no difference to me personally“

    Well that’s all that matters.

    It *will* affect me personally – for the better. What a lovely day.

    Out of context … and you jumped on board …

    This is what I said …

    “”” Time to move on … will make no difference to me personally but a lot of people may come to regret their collective decisions in the next couple of years … “””

    And ToSY went on …

    “move on …”

    Why? This is fun. etc …

    I offered to make peace with ToSY (again)…

    May 30, 2019 7:01 pm

    “So, you didn’t take up my peace offer again, ToSY?”

    Oh, you made a peace offer? I must have misssed ignored it.

    Now as I’ve said a number of times … I’m happy to move on … are you?

    It’s a simple question …

  367. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2019 9:57 pm

    I see, so Tony said something you disagree with, so you called him a selfish prick, and specifically included me in the insult.

    Have I got that cintext right?

    Then because I pressed you on the issue, you suggested I “see a shrink”

    I think that’s the context as I see it. A

    nd no TB, I’m not “moving on” because I can’t see anything in your “context” that justifies calling me a “selfish prick” or that i “should see a shrink”

    I think you’ll have to justify your insults or put up with being reminded of them.

  368. Tony permalink
    June 3, 2019 2:06 am

    TB Queensland: *makes statement about how election will affect him personally*

    Me: *make statement about how election will affect me personally*

    TB Queensland: “Selfish prick!”

  369. ivi permalink
    June 3, 2019 6:10 am

    (Indeed; (un)resolved tensions oft are contradictory:

    Social liberalism (also known as modern liberalism in the United States and left liberalism or Ordo-liberalism in Germany) is a political ideology and a variety of liberalism that endorses a regulated free market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights. A social liberal government is expected to address economic and social issues such as poverty, health care, education and the climate using government intervention whilst also emphasising the rights and autonomy of the individual.

    Under social liberalism, the common good is viewed as harmonious with the freedom of the individual. Social liberal policies have been widely adopted in much of the capitalist world. Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left.)

  370. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2019 10:58 am

    Very shrill around here … paranoia has really set in I see … if little petals can’t move on … I certainly can …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do any sensible people still questions climate change is not an emergency … ?

    https://www.news.com.au/national/severe-weather-warning-issued-as-storms-approach-south-east-australia/news-story/78f7b25edac26d02764f3532bd7c72c0

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/india-weather-temperature-passes-50c-celsius-in-northern-india/news-story/0985e58e9ded4524fe586312b5154aef

    I’m beginning to think it may be too late for all of us …

  371. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2019 4:41 pm

    And the lies and deceit continue …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/03/disgrace-angus-taylor-under-pressure-after-failing-to-release-emissions-data

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m pretty well convinced that Trump has little or no knowledge of modern history, nor geography (like many US citizens) …

    The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison has downplayed – but not denied – speculation the United States considered placing trade tariffs on Australian aluminium imports last week.

    The New York Times reported that the Trump administration had discussed placing tariffs on Australian aluminium, which, under a deal struck by former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull, remains exempt from tariffs Donald Trump placed on metal imports to the US in 2018.

    The NYT reported the White House decided against making any changes to the Australian arrangement after defence and diplomatic advisers cautioned against any actions which could potentially alienate a key ally in the Asia-Pacific region.

    Speaking in the Solomon Islands, Morrison did not deny the report, but said Australia remained in communication with the States.

    “We have an arrangement with the United States and we are working within that arrangement and working closely with the US officials and the White House on all those issues,” he said.

  372. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2019 4:59 pm

    Yes TB, it takes all kinds, from reasonable, intelligent people, to ill-informed deliberately abusive and abrasive bigoted bullies like you

  373. Soylent`Era`Teabag permalink
    June 3, 2019 6:28 pm

    Global Cooling? Emergency? Too late. The primates pissed away the ability to mitigate global cooling effects. The planet will now mitigate the primates.

  374. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 3, 2019 6:29 pm

    I’m pretty well convinced that Trump has little or no knowledge of modern history, nor geography (like many US citizens) …

    And no doubt like many Queenslanders
    ————-
    And I’m now happy to “move on”.

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2019 6:31 pm

    Time to move on … will make no difference to me personally but a lot of people may come to regret their collective decisions in the next couple of years …

    And I apologise, ToM … that you feel that way …

    … you did get sucked into ToSY’s ongoing “feud” with me … (I have no idea how or why it began) …

    Even you must know that I react to personal insults … the source is often forgotten …

    That’s my final word on the subject …

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2019 6:33 pm

    “And I’m now happy to “move on”.”

    Good … beat me by a couple of minutes … but the apology stands!

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2019 6:36 pm

    The planet will now mitigate the primates.

    Its managed to bump off other “dominant” species, tbagz …

    And it has more reasons to get rid of us than the others … is Trump, Earth’s messenger?

  378. Tony permalink
    June 3, 2019 7:59 pm

    “… you did get sucked into ToSY’s ongoing “feud” with me … (I have no idea how or why it began) …”

    Guffaw. You do have an inflated opinion of yourself. Any feud exists only in your tiny mind.

    (There’s an actual personal insult to react to. Go your hardest.)

  379. June 3, 2019 8:12 pm

    Don’t you just love the way we all just get along.

  380. June 3, 2019 8:14 pm

    It’s almost like family.

    Like the Waltons…

    “Goodnight John boy.”

    “WHATEVER CUNT FACE!”

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2019 11:09 pm

    (There’s an actual personal insult to react to. Go your hardest.)

    Nah! Just build a bridge, ToSY … life’s way too short …

  382. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2019 12:44 am

    Here on the Basque Coast, it’s just mellow, good food, coffee, surf and company! It’s so much more civilised than its surfing counterparts in Queensland!

  383. Tom R permalink
    June 4, 2019 9:36 am

    Here on the Basque Coast

    nothing like enjoying a taxpayer funded holiday, and then rubbing taxpayers noses in it.

    Well done Clive

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2019 11:29 am

    Don’t you just love the way we all just get along.

    Strange perspective … I thought …

    … and then I saw the next comment … chuckle …

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2019 11:37 am

    Ah … basking in Basque …

    … got some Basque blood in my family line, coincidentally, on my maternal grandmother side …

  386. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2019 5:09 pm

    Well , I don’t think the taxpayers have much to do with my holiday. But you can watch here!!

    https://www.hastea.com/webcam-hd

  387. Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2019 5:13 pm

    Hillarious……………..

    Anthony Albanese seat of Grayndler a few days before the election ……per Daily Telegraph
    With just four days to go until polling day, these Grayndler voters have shared what issues matter to them this Federal Election.

    Real estate agent Belinda Cassano
    “I’m concerned about negative gearing because there are varying opinions about what impact it will have, so it’s not clear what effect it will have on the housing market and the wider economy,”

    Writer, actor and teacher Ned Manning said climate change, support for childcare workers, wealth redistribution, social equity and education “The Coalition’s only policy is to oppose Labor and their support of Clive Palmer (United Australia Party), and One Nation says everything about their ideology,This is one of the most important elections in our history. The cost of doing nothing on climate change is the end of the planet.”

    Labourer Royce Parker, 29, is backing Labor because he feels the party provides better support to the working class instead of “people who are making millions of dollars”.
    Nicole Jackson, 35, said Labor was the “frontrunner “Human rights is a big issue for me and I’m not a fan of putting caps on refugees because people have the right to seek asylum,” she said.

    Olivia Bartram, 20, will probably vote Liberal as her parents do but wants more done to improve housing affordability and public transport.

    Anthony Albanese seat of Grayndler a two weeks AFTER the election ……per Daily Telegraph

    After convening his first shadow cabinet meeting in Brisbane, Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has played down the “Quexit” phenomenon that saw voters in his electorate refer to Queenslanders as racist, bogan and redneck.

    On his home turf, about as far removed from regional Queensland as you can get, latte-sipping hipsters have taken a swipe at Maroons voters, demanding we stop digging “deep into the earth” for coal and to change our ways before the 2022 federal election.

    ..voters in Grayndler returned Albanese with a 66.2 per cent two-party-preferred vote – securing 51 per cent of the primary vote.

    While the majority of punters did not support “Quexit” – Queensland breaking away from the rest of the states ¬following the federal drubbing for Labor – many of them told The ¬Courier-Mail that they wouldn’t support Mr Albanese if he backed Adani.

    Retail worker Zoe Hinman, 22, said she was sad that her children would never be able to see the Great Barrier Reef. When asked what she thought about coal mining, she replied that it was “terrifying”. “Absolutely terrifying, you’re not meant to go that deep into the earth,” she said.
    “Yes, 100 per cent (coal mining should be banned), it’s crime in front of your eyes.”

    Ms Hinman, who did not know where the Adani project would be located, said there was no way she would support Mr Albanese if he backed the mine. “I feel like Labor are wolf dressed in sheep’s clothing,” she said.

    Stella O’Dwyer with Evie Weily. Laura Capplis, 27, said the word “Queenslander” made her think of rednecks. “I think it’s a bit questionable that none of the banks wanted to offer them (Adani) loans,” she said. Ms Capplis, who is studying jewellery at TAFE, said she didn’t live in Grayndler, but if federal Labor supported Adani, she wouldn’t vote for them. When asked what she thought of when she heard the word “Queenslander”, university student Stella O’Dwyer, 20, said “kind of bogan”. “I think it (coal mining) should be more heavily governed and maybe more money put into other areas than coal (renewables),” she said. Queensland voters should think of other people aside from themselves before heading to the next election, Ms O’Dwyer said. “Be more open-minded,” she said.

    Comedian Rodney Todd, 41, said he was sad the Great Barrier Reef was “going”.
    However, Mr Todd empathised with Queenslanders who were annoyed at Bob Brown’s Stop Adani convoy. An anti-Adani sign posted in the street in Grayndler. “I wouldn’t want someone coming down here saying you shouldn’t drink coffee,” he said. “Local issues are local issues.”
    He urged Queenslanders to research before they voted.

    Labourer Indiana Stone, 28, said he was against Adani and would vote against Mr Albanese if the Labor leader backed the mine. “Because coal mining is a defunct power source,” he said. “I think people should wake up and realise it’s not going to last.”
    Mr Stone also told Queensland voters to wake up and “actually do some research”.

    “I know the general area (of where Adani is proposed to go), I don’t know exactly where though,’ he said.

    Cobbler Nathan Baxter, 50, said that he felt that the “general opinion” others held of Queenslanders would be that they’re “a little bit backward and a ¬little bit racist”. “We’d like to blame it (the election result) on other people not in our own neighbourhood, but seeing that there was quite a few pockets that were voting Liberal (across the country),” he said.
    “I think it would be very hard to support someone comprehensively that was supporting the coal industry.” Mr Baxter urged Queenslanders to vote for the future – which was not coal.

  388. Tom R permalink
    June 4, 2019 5:24 pm

    Hilarious that they are correct wally?

  389. Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2019 5:34 pm

    Hillarious that Albo with those types in his seat is going to need to get Queenlanders to vote for him

    The same dilemna as Shortern had. He would say something or would be perceived to be saying something about Adani in Melbourne then he would say the opposite or a non committal answer in northern Queensland

    But I like Zoe’s statement the best … Zoe Hinman, 22, said she was sad that her children would never be able to see the Great Barrier Reef. When asked what she thought about coal mining, she replied that it was

    …..“terrifying”. “Absolutely terrifying, you’re not meant to go that deep into the earth,” she said.
    “Yes, 100 per cent (coal mining should be banned), it’s crime in front of your eyes.”

    LOL

    What the fuck are these people reading ?

  390. Tom R permalink
    June 4, 2019 6:46 pm

    What the fuck are these people reading ?

    The lefts version pf palmer?

    apparently, all these yokels in Queensland are under the impression adani means thousands of jobs

    suckers

    Although, by next election, the non existent jobs will be albos fault, for having the same, continuous policy that they have had all along, no matter what morons think.

  391. June 4, 2019 8:38 pm

    “The “Quexit” phenomenon that saw voters in his electorate refer to Queenslanders as racist, bogan and redneck.”

    “Stella O’Dwyer with Evie Weily. Laura Capplis, 27, said the word “Queenslander” made her think of rednecks.”

    Finally…! Some truth in reporting.

  392. Tony permalink
    June 4, 2019 9:37 pm

    “The “Quexit” phenomenon that saw voters in his electorate refer to Queenslanders as racist, bogan and redneck.”

  393. Tony permalink
    June 4, 2019 9:38 pm

    Quogans.

  394. Tony permalink
    June 4, 2019 9:40 pm

    Qogans?

  395. Tony permalink
    June 4, 2019 10:47 pm

    Shallbo was in Brisbane today. It’s the policies, stoopid.

  396. June 4, 2019 10:48 pm

    “When asked what she thought about coal mining, she replied that it was
    …..“terrifying”. “Absolutely terrifying, you’re not meant to go that deep into the earth,” she said.
    “Yes, 100 per cent (coal mining should be banned), it’s crime in front of your eyes.”

    Poor old Zoe has never heard of the Marianna Trench

  397. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2019 8:33 am

    Poor old Zoe has never heard of the Marianna Trench

    Is it as stupid though than someone who wants action on climate change, health and education voting for the coalition?

    Unless of course they meant negative action?

    Isn’t it great that home loans are so cheap these days? Strong Economy that 😉

  398. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2019 8:43 am

    What is it with this new fangled measurement of ‘per capita recession’?

    They didn’t bother with it during the GFC.

    Weird hey 😉

  399. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2019 9:16 am

    Imagine living in a police state like China

  400. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2019 10:36 am

    🙂

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2019 11:24 am

    And Telstra terminating the employment of 10,000 contractors …

    Not sure if that includes the 6,000 “workers” or not …

    Interest rate 1.25%

    Minimum wage too low … rising prices …

    Global trade wars looming … along with politics shifting to the far right across the world (and here?) … leads to nationalism and that leads to ….. nasty outcomes …

    Who’re the best “economic managers again? … mmmm

  402. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2019 11:42 am

    Wow! The Central Queensland economy is set to soar! (sarc)

    … It comes after the reemergence of an interview with the Nationals MP, Bridget McKenzie, now the agriculture minister, on Sky News.

    In the interview, from late 2018, McKenzie discusses the Carmichael mine and the number of jobs that will be available.

    “I think it’s great news they’ll be employing 1,500 through the construction phase and around about 100 in ongoing,” she says …

    …When asked, McKenzie’s office said her comments were made in November and Adani had since reviewed its numbers.

    “The figure placed on the number of jobs that Adani would require for ongoing operations was made in November last year and it is very pleasing to see that Adani have reviewed these figures, indicating that up to 1,800 ongoing positions could be created at their operations, based on other Queensland coal mines of a similar size,” a spokesman said.

    “We unequivocally support creating jobs in regional Australia and if Adani say there could be up to 1,800 ongoing jobs resulting from their mine operations, that is a great opportunity for central and northern Queenslanders, their families and their communities.” …

    … The confusion doesn’t end there. Adani, in its latest statements about its job figures says the number of ongoing operational jobs at the mine would not be 1,800, but between 800 and 1,500, based on mines of similar size in Queensland.

    A spokeswoman said there would also be “1,500 direct jobs and 6,750 indirect jobs created during ramp up and construction on the Carmichael project” …

    … The company’s current jobs forecast is smaller than the 10,000 jobs it originally promoted when it was planning a mine producing 60m tonnes of coal per year (it now plans an output of 10m tonnes), a figure that has regularly been cited by Australian federal MPs.

    … Tom Swann, a senior researcher at the Australia Institute … has followed Adani’s jobs claims over many years and compared them to other industries in Queensland.

    He cites Australian Bureau of Statistics data that shows the number of jobs in renewable energy in the state almost doubled from 2016 to 2018 to reach more than 5,000. Much of this increase is being driven by large-scale solar and there is more construction in the pipeline.

    A 2017 Deloitte report put the number of jobs supported by the Great Barrier Reef, which is under threat from climate change caused by human activities such as burning fossil fuels, at 64,000.

    Swann questioned why Adani’s current jobs forecasts for ongoing work, which the company is basing on mines of similar size, were not more concrete.

    “It is unusual they have now declined to make a specific promise about ongoing employment,” he said.

    One thing that is clear is that Adani has been posting fresh advertisements for roles since gaining some of the final approvals it needs before preparatory construction can start at the mine. There are currently 14 positions listed on the Adani jobs portal.

    On Monday, the Adani Australia Facebook page posted that it was “recruiting for more than 50 jobs as pre-project works ramp up” and encouraged interested workers to email a cover letter and CV.

    “The mine will not be automated. We will use the same conventional coal mining techniques and equipment used in other Queensland coal mines.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/05/adani-jobs-explained-why-there-are-new-questions-over-carmichael-mine

    Can’t wait for the BS to be revealed … my concern is that the groundwater and artesian basin may easily be damaged … (I hate the concept of fracking too, for the same reason!)

    TB Queensland May 19, 2019 8:53 am

    … a lot of people may come to regret their collective decisions in the next couple of years …

    Note: My bold …

  403. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2019 11:42 am

    Who’re the best “economic managers again? … mmmm

    Kind of irrelevant now 😦

    The media voted for their chosen party, and are now reaping the rewards.

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2019 1:22 pm

    Talk about a right wing diktat!

  405. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2019 1:43 pm

    Strong Economy

  406. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2019 5:15 pm

    So it seems the AFP raided a News Ltd journalist!! I can’t figure out why Rupert would order a raid on his own journalist!

  407. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2019 6:24 pm

    He cites Australian Bureau of Statistics data that shows the number of jobs in renewable energy in the state almost doubled from 2016 to 2018 to reach more than 5,000.

    Yes but renewables are subsidised by the taxpayer. Remove the subsidies and renewables would collapse. Furthermore coal mining brings royalties for the State govts something renewables don’t plus coal provide export income.

    Facts are renewables are expensive and economically bad for Australia. Plus we have to import solar panels, windmills etc. You would have a better argument if global warming believers say we must pay the extra cost to save the planet

  408. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2019 6:31 pm

    I can’t figure out why Rupert would order a raid on his own journalist!

    I can … iggorance is bliss …

    Here’s a clue tho’ …

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jun/05/abc-offices-raided-by-australian-federal-police

    You need to read more, ToM, Tom Clancy, novels are a starter (actually Republican biased – “right” (chuckle) up your alley) … and then you might progress to political/military history – particularly the Cold War – ’tis about to get Freezing BTW … but WWI and WW2 will give you a good grounding … and never, ever forget the Korean War – everyone else does … then there is the Ten Year war … the Vietnamese call it the American War we call it the Vietnam War … and you can then move onto the First and Second Gulf Wars (both quite different of course – you would understand the history and politics of the Bush Snr and Jnr years – both Republicans)

    Then we have the Afghanistan War … and the devastation of troops from the US, UK,Swedish, French, German, et al … but particularly, for you and me, Australian Diggers … left traumatised (read PTSD) on the streets in all our capital cities … how cold is it in Melbourne tonight? (Apologies you were last in Basque … luckily …) 3000 Diggers are freezing and hungry …

    Nothing is new … nothing changes (Aishe, Egyptian Professor and our Guide in 1997) …

  409. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2019 6:42 pm

    Yes but renewables are subsidised by the taxpayer. Remove the subsidies and renewables would collapse.

    WRONG!

    Furthermore coal mining brings royalties for the State govts something renewables don’t plus coal provide export income.

    WRONG!

    Facts are renewables are expensive and economically bad for Australia.

    WRONG!

    Plus we have to import solar panels, windmills etc.

    WRONG!

    You would have a better argument if global warming believers say we must pay the extra cost to save the planet

    WRONG!

    He cites Australian Bureau of Statistics data that shows the number of jobs in renewable energy in the state almost doubled from 2016 to 2018 to reach more than 5,000. Much of this increase is being driven by large-scale solar and there is more construction in the pipeline.

    A 2017 Deloitte report put the number of jobs supported by the Great Barrier Reef, which is under threat from climate change caused by human activities such as burning fossil fuels, at 64,000.

    Q&A: Labor made ‘huge error’ in being silent over coal, Joel Fitzgibbon says
    Read more

    Swann questioned why Adani’s current jobs forecasts for ongoing work, which the company is basing on mines of similar size, were not more concrete.

  410. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2019 7:13 pm

    I see. So the devious Rupert Murdoch got the AFP to raid a News Ltd journalist because he read a Tom Clancy novel. I’m understanding this now.

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2019 9:04 pm

    No your not …

  412. Tom R permalink
    June 5, 2019 9:23 pm

    No your not …

  413. Tony permalink
    June 5, 2019 10:23 pm

    Whose who’s going to too point it out?

  414. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2019 6:52 am

    Your write.

  415. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 8:39 am

    AAUGGHH

    someone spelt yor wrong

    Get the afp to raid ’em

    Anybody who argues the afp is not completely owned by the libs is a crack head!

  416. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 8:47 am

    Strong Economy

  417. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 9:06 am

    Even their lies are getting worst. Will the press go after him for this? He claims he didn’t know until AFTER the execution of the warrants, but, it turns out, he needs to sign off BEFORE the execution of the warrants.

    “I have had no involvement in the AFP’s investigation into these matters. Following the execution of each search warrant on 4 June and 5 June respectively, my office was informed that search warrants had been executed.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/05/peter-dutton-denies-prior-knowledge-of-afp-raids-on-abc-and-news-corp

    But, under his super powers

  418. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2019 9:24 am

    QUEENSLANDER!

  419. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 9:29 am

    Splitters! 😉

  420. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2019 10:26 am

    Construction union trio snared in Sydney cocaine bust
    The second most powerful official in the NSW construction union has been arrested and charged for buying cocaine from two other officials who were allegedly dealing drugs from a union car.

    No doubt there’s an innocent explanation

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/construction-union-trio-snared-in-sydney-cocaine-bust-20190605-p51uub.html

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2019 10:42 am

    No doubt there’s an innocent explanation

    Guilty by association?

  422. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2019 10:51 am

    “Furthermore coal mining brings royalties for the State govts something renewables don’t plus coal provide export income.
    WRONG! ”

    State govts get billions in royalties from coal mining. What royalties do State govts get from renewables?

  423. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 11:18 am

    auggh, union thugs ae cuming for your drugs

    I love the way they closely link them with the ALP, but refrain from same linkage when banker types go down for the same.

    They is just rogue players (lot’s of them)

  424. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2019 3:02 pm

    Banker types are usually linked to the bank which employees them. But I think the comparison is apt – like the banks the CFMEU is a lawless bunch of stand-over merchants enriching management at the expense of the rest of us.

  425. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 3:47 pm

    like the banks the CFMEU is a lawless bunch of stand-over merchants enriching management at the expense of the rest of us.

    Except of course, we had two royal commissions, one spent years combing over Unions with millions of dollars spent for a handful of prosecutions, the other was spun through as quickly as possible with the least money spent, and found copious amounts of issues

    Compare the pair

    Hows that “Strong Economy” going so far?

  426. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 3:56 pm

    A proud day for our cuntry

    “Australia May Well Be the World’s Most Secretive Democracy”

  427. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2019 4:44 pm

    The raid on the ABC is a severe infringement on the freedom of the press.

    The AFP should have arrested the entire senior management for misappropriating public assets in the service of their personal political agenda!

  428. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 5:30 pm

    And we know who’s agenda that is. It became apparent that the libs have been directing editorial decisions for years now

  429. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2019 5:33 pm

    I love the way they closely link them with the ALP, but refrain from same linkage when banker types go down for the same.

    As you know, the CFMEU is a formal part of the structure of the ALP, they nominate members to participate on all ALP forums, the choose members of parliament.

    Banks don’t have that type of representation.

  430. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2019 5:53 pm

    “”Sacked former rugby international Israel Folau has launched legal proceedings with the Fair Work Commission against Rugby Australia and the Waratahs for breach of contract.
    Key points:

    Israel Folau’s lawyers said it was unlawful of Rugby Australia to terminate employment on the basis of religion

    Folau is seeking “substantial remedies from his former employers”

    Folau’s lawyers said under Section 772 of the Fair Work Act, it was unlawful to terminate employment on the basis of religion.

    So it comes down to God v Rugby Australia

    Good luck with that Rugby Australia

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-06/israel-folau-sues-rugby-australia-for-breach-of-contract/11185064

  431. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2019 5:56 pm

    “As you know, the CFMEU is a formal part of the structure of the ALP, they nominate members to participate on all ALP forums, the choose members of parliament. ”

    Exactly. Who knows who the heads of banks vote for. The head of Qantas is obviously a ALP supporter. Malcolm Turnbull is a natural ALP guy who was in the wrong party although he was a fiscal conservative. And lots of working class people vote for the Coalition. That is why Queensland voted for the Coalition.

  432. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2019 6:21 pm

    Banks don’t have that type of representation.

    Of course not 😎 … how many in the financial pirate industry have been jailed for fraud, theft/stealing and/or misleading government inquiries … how many bank managers were promoted who were actually involved in fraud, theft/stealing and/or misleading government inquiries …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Israel Folau’s lawyers said it was unlawful of Rugby Australia to terminate employment on the basis of religion

    It was breach of contract …

    So it comes down to God v Rugby Australia

    I can prove RA exists … can you prove any god exists? …

    Good luck with that Rugby Australia

    Unless there has been a recent change I am unaware of, Australia is still a declared Secular country … Contracts Rule … not the rantings of a religious acolyte … insulting other sectors of the community …

    A secular state is a country where the state is keep separate from religion, and the state does not discriminate or favor persons based on their religious beliefs. Within a secular state, the government does not interfere with religion and its activities, as long as such activities are done under the confines of the law. A secular state is not inspired by religion when formulating laws and policies. The establishment of a secular state is necessary if a country is to have true freedom of religion.

    There are a total of 96 secular states in the world. Africa and Europe have the highest number of secular states in the world, with 27 and 33 secular states respectively. There are 20 secular states in Asia, while South America has seven secular states. Oceania and North America have the least number of secular states, with only 4 (Australia, New Zealand, Micronesia, and Fiji) in Oceania and 5 (The United States, Mexico, Cuba, Canada, and Honduras) in North America. However, many secular states exhibit tendencies seen in religious states.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Who knows who the heads of banks vote for.

    The LNP Coalition … duh!

    The head of Qantas is obviously a ALP supporter.

    Why?

    Malcolm Turnbull is a natural ALP guy who was in the wrong party although he was a fiscal conservative.

    Says who?

    And lots of working class people vote for the Coalition. That is why Queensland voted for the Coalition.

    Explain “working class” people?

  433. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2019 6:26 pm

    As usual we take our friends out for a lovely lunch in at top restaurant and I come back to all this BS …

    2020 … be afraid, very afraid … this government is continuing its trajectory sending Australia’s economy downward … backward?

    Folau will be the least of our worries … and the Telstra termination exodus … will be the beginning …

  434. June 6, 2019 8:03 pm

    “we take our friends out for a lovely lunch in at top restaurant”

    La Porchetta?

  435. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2019 8:09 pm

    2020 … be afraid, very afraid … this government is continuing its trajectory sending Australia’s economy downward … backward?

    There have been 3 Labor govts in the lifetime of most Australians. Whitlam. Hawke/keating, Rudd/Gillard.

    All 3 were economic disasters. Gough doubled the unemployment rate. Unemployment was at 11% when keating became PM. We were debt free in 2007 until Rudd/Swan trashed the budget.

    The ALP and their supporters just destroy the lives of people

  436. Tony permalink
    June 6, 2019 8:47 pm

    “La Porchetta?”

    😂🤣

  437. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2019 9:23 pm

    So it comes down to God v Rugby Australia

    No, it comes down to someone abusing people on social media, against his signed contract.

    I went to Sunday School, none of these religious types remind me of the HeyZeus I read about.

    These are the same fuckwits who defend a convicted pedophile because ……….. Rod!

    I’ll be pissing myself laughing when their all burning in a hell of their own contrivance and I’m looking down at them from my Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Banks don’t have that type of representation.

    ROFL

    nah, they actually hold more sway over the libs than any Union does over the ALP

  438. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2019 10:43 pm

    La Porchetta?

    Nah! Lee Bebique … smart-arse …

    Nothing changes – nothing is new 🙂

  439. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2019 11:44 pm

     … how many in the financial pirate industry have been jailed for fraud, theft/stealing and/or misleading government inquiries … how many bank managers were promoted who were actually involved in fraud, theft/stealing and/or misleading government inquiries …

    You might explain how that is relevant to a political party. Were they members of a political party?

  440. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2019 11:48 pm

    nah, they actually hold more sway over the libs than any Union does over the ALP

    Really? How do you figure that out?

    Unions actually have a controlling interest in the ALP

  441. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2019 12:00 am

    Israel Folau seems like a delusional dill, but I think ARU will struggle to aviod a huge payout,

    He expressed a religious view and was dismissed from his employment.

    Those that support his dismissal would probably be vocal in their condemnation of a religious organisation that dismissed an advocate of gay rights (for example)

  442. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 7:20 am

    Yea yomm, cos advocating for the rights of a group is the same as just abusing them?

  443. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2019 8:52 am

    Every year the Mardi Gras is an occasion for mocking religious people. Nuns, who basically dedicate their lives to helping others, are pilloried by the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. These vindictive bitches do not face consequence or criticism for their blatant hate-mongering.

    Funny how when Falou pointed out basic Christian teaching – unrepentant sinners go to hell; please repent – all hell is reigned down on him by people pretending to be offended who don’t even believe in hell.

    A call to repentance is not hate. The real hate is from the Gaystapo who make it their business to destroy the lives and livelihood of anyone not conforming to their sick and twisted view of the world. Fucking fascists!

  444. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 9:02 am

    are pilloried by the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

    Again, pilloried and abused, not the same thing.

    There’s a reason we have different words for different things 😉

  445. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 9:25 am

    I think you meant “rained” … ToM, must be asleep or on strike … oh, hang on, that’s illegal …

  446. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 9:30 am

    … oh, hang on, that’s illegal …

    Everything is these days it seems, except of course breaking your signed contract to abuse people for Rod!

  447. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2019 9:38 am

    Try pillorying some LGBT types and see how far it gets you!

  448. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 9:42 am

    Try pillorying some LGBT types and see how far it gets you!

    Do they snark back at ya wally

    Meanies!

  449. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 10:40 am

    Don’t fret, Wally, the Mardi Gras always has a couple dressed as CPA’s with big briefcases to collect “donations” from the crowd …

    BTW did you know that the Mardi Gras attracts over 1,000,000 million visitors to Sydney? Money, money, money! 🙂

    I’m curious – you seem to have got religion seriously – particularly defending nuns?

    I think the AFP raids would be more of a concern than the Mardi Gras … even News Corp thinks so …

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/im-on-to-you-albo-and-duttons-fiery-clash-over-afp-raids/news-story/6e5fc6b01fe17668f49d76fa22db996d

    Still its time journalists got serious about reporting the nonsense this government has got away with for the last six years … and now with its tail up (phew!), after the election, it’s becoming more Draconian (Timing is everything and, Dutton, did know about the raids – or their was a serious breach of protocol!) … he lied or breached protocol … either way …

    No such thing as coincidence in politics or business … or some blogs …

  450. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2019 10:47 am

    drunks,
    homosexuals,
    adulterers,
    liars,
    fornicators,
    thieves,
    atheists,
    idolators”
    “Hell awaits you!
    Repent!
    Only Jesus saves.”

    Yeah I can see why Qantas boss Alan Joyce was sooooo upset by these remarks that he pressured RA to terminate Folau’s contract.

    I await to see the termination of all commercial contracts with the gay loving Emirates and Qatar airlines next.

    Just another example of Corporate Social Justice at work.

    Hypocrites all

    OK so back to my list

    drunks, Tick
    homosexuals, Cross
    adulterers, Cross
    liars, Tick
    fornicators, Tick
    thieves, Cross
    atheists,Cross
    idolators” Tick

    I’m outraged…………………Not

  451. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 11:07 am

    Wally, I’d suggest you read some of these before you get to “fired” up …

    https://australia.rugby/about/codes-and-policies/all-codes-and-policies

    Folau broke his contract and any commitment to Rugby Australia …

    Objectively … not emotionally … nor religiously … he broke a business contract – period …

    1.3 Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby.

    1.6 Do not make any public comment that is critical of the performance of a match official, player, team official, coach or employee/officer/volunteer of any club or a Union; or on any matter that is, or is likely to be, the subject of an investigation or disciplinary process; or otherwise make any public comment that would likely be detrimental to the best interests, image and welfare of the Game, a team, a club, a competition or Union.

    1.7 Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.

    1.8 Do not otherwise act in a way that may adversely affect or reflect on, or bring you, your team, club, Rugby Body or Rugby into disrepute or discredit. If you commit a criminal offence, this is likely to adversely reflect on you and your team, club, Rugby Body and Rugby.

    Pretty clear … best of luck with an appeal … freedom of speech and religion are essential rights in our society … but as with all rights comes responsibility … particularly for figures of influence and more particularly those who may influence children …

  452. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 11:08 am

    My comment …

    Pretty clear … best of luck with an appeal … freedom of speech and religion are essential rights in our society … but as with all rights comes responsibility … particularly for figures of influence and more particularly those who may influence children …

  453. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2019 11:17 am

    “Objectively … not emotionally … nor religiously … he broke a business contract – period … “”

    But did he ?

    The question is whether RA even has the power to insert such clauses and or restrain his freedom of speech

  454. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 11:31 am

    The question is whether RA even has the power to insert such clauses and or restrain his freedom of speech

    He signed the bloody contract.

    He had been warned before.

    Fuck these free speech warriors, who are silent when it’s not a religious nutjob, but a whistle blower exposing wrong doing

  455. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2019 11:46 am

    “He signed the bloody contract.

    He had been warned before.”

    Both those points are completely irrelevant if its found that the contract is itself unenforceable which is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility

  456. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 12:02 pm

    And knowing our discerning FWC, anythings on the cards

  457. June 7, 2019 12:23 pm

    “These vindictive bitches do not face consequence or criticism for their blatant hate-mongering.”

    But wait, aren’t they going to hell…?

  458. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2019 12:38 pm

    “freedom of speech and religion are essential rights in our society” Absolutely.

    “but as with all rights comes responsibility” The weasel words of the sticky-fingered wanker.

    So free speech is OK so long as it doesn’t upset you or some self-entitled snowflake somewhere? That isn’t free speech. Not when you’ve got the Gaystapo and all the other sick haters ready to haul your arse to court for offending some precious poodle.

    Also, love to see Rugby Australia millions of dollars the poorer for breaching Falou’s contract.

    Also, Wallabies go to hell! In fact bugger the Wallabies

    Also, as Walrus mentioned, what kind of stinking hypocrite persecutes Falou while jumping into bed with Emirates?

  459. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2019 12:42 pm

    “But wait, aren’t they going to hell…?”

    Hell no. Don’t tell me a whole lot of whingers have now started believing in hell so they can take offence? Well paint my arse purple and spank it all night long!

  460. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2019 1:12 pm

    I hope Rugby Australia has the evidence that Hell actually exists.

    Other wise how can anyone be offended ?

  461. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 1:32 pm

    Other wise how can anyone be offended ?

    LGBT can’t be xtians?

    xtians are such free speech warriors

  462. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 1:39 pm

    FREEDOM!

  463. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2019 2:35 pm

    Ain’t socialism grand – case in point the Castro family fiefdom of Cuba.

  464. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 2:42 pm

    My, my, talk about knicker, knot twisters …

    The weasel words of the sticky-fingered wanker. Sorta proves my point … 😉

    1.7 Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.

    … this is a clause from just one Code …

    I’m assuming you did read the other Codes above?* … there are a few that it relates to …

    As for the “norm” I recall that acceptance of the LGBTI community was overwhelmingly endorsed via a wasteful $80 million Referendum … by 61.6% of Australians who voted … including many Christians (and other religions) …

    And I don’t believe in heaven/hell/valhalla/purgotory/any happy clappy cult … or the tooth fairy …

    I do believe in the process of law and contracts … justice and strewth!

    *Just jokin’ … ‘course ya didn’t … ya should …

  465. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 2:46 pm

    Ain’t socialism grand – case in point the Castro family fiefdom of Cuba.

    At least everyone knows they live in a dictatorship … now Australia still manages to fool some folk …

    BTW … Cuba is a communist country … :O

  466. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2019 3:30 pm

    “… this is a clause from just one Code … ”

    How many times do I need to say ………………..IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT CLAUSE YOU WRITE INTO A CONTRACT . IF IT CONFLICTS WITH ANOTHER STATUTE OR ASPECT OF COMMON LAW IT IS UNENFORCEABLE.

  467. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2019 3:52 pm

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/rights-and-obligations/workplace-discrimination#what%20is%20unlawful%20discrimination

    What is unlawful workplace discrimination?

    Unlawful workplace discrimination occurs when an employer takes adverse action against a person who is an employee or prospective employee because of the following attributes of the person:

    race
    colour
    sex
    sexual orientation
    age
    physical or mental disability
    marital status
    family or carer’s responsibilities
    pregnancy
    religion
    political opinion
    national extraction or social origin

    Where an investigation finds that the employer has (or had) discriminatory practices that are linked to adverse actions for employees or prospective employees, the Fair Work Ombudsman may take enforcement action.

    Designed by Bill Shorten and Julia Gillard

  468. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2019 3:59 pm

    I think if “the code” restrains religios freedom, it will be deemed to be unenforceable. Therefore any action taken on the basis of it will be in breach of the employment protections.

    An example- if an individual signed a contract to attend work without exception, Mon – Fri, and they were ill on a Wed and took the day off, their employment would be protected. A restraint in an employment contract that is in breach of an employees statutory rights, is unenforceable.

    And it is irrelevant whether they have been warned. The protected employment right is stronger than the policy of a sporting organisation (I think)

    That’s why I’d prefer to be arguing Folua’s case.

  469. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 4:20 pm

    it gets murkier

  470. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2019 4:28 pm

    “The protected employment right is stronger than the policy of a sporting organisation”

    Correct

  471. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2019 4:39 pm

    “… this is a clause from just one Code …”

    The law relating to employment contracts is a little more complicated than that, sonny Jim!

  472. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 5:00 pm

    Ahhh Franking Credits again …

    Richard Denniss, the chief economist and former executive director of influential progressive think tank The Australia Institute, said the very issue that could have helped the Coalition this year may come back to bite it next time around.

    “When Peter Costello first introduced this loophole, it was estimated to cost around $500 million a year — now it costs $5000 million, and that was before most people knew it was there,” he told news.com.au.

    “The Liberal Party spent the last six months defending the right of people to pay negative tax, so it would hardly be a surprise if a lot more people were now eager to pay negative tax.

    “Millions of Australians have now learnt of the existence of paying negative tax, and if they pursue these tax strategies then it will definitely blow a big hole in the Coalition’s surplus.”

    Dr Denniss said the Coalition’s “scare campaign” about an “imaginary retirement tax” might have had some impact on the election results.

    “Even though only 4 per cent of Australians receive franking credit refunds, the Coalition did a great job of scaring a large number of people, and it may well have done a great job of selling a highly effective tax minimisation strategy,” he said.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/federal-budget/graph-reveals-potential-franking-credit-nightmare-facing-morrison-government/news-story/96bcc4f1e5a2bc1a8aabfa8a10afb0dd

  473. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 5:19 pm

    IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT CLAUSE YOU WRITE INTO A CONTRACT . IF IT CONFLICTS WITH ANOTHER STATUTE OR ASPECT OF COMMON LAW IT IS UNENFORCEABLE.

    And which statute, or common law precedent does it infringe?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    An example- if an individual signed a contract to attend work without exception, Mon – Fri, and they were ill on a Wed and took the day off, their employment would be protected. A restraint in an employment contract that is in breach of an employees statutory rights, is unenforceable.

    I agree with that example … for one thing its simply unenforceable anyway … but Folau is more than an employee he is a marketable employee and “the face of Rugby Australia” … if he wishes to become a minister and preach then he needs to find alternative employment …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “The protected employment right is stronger than the policy of a sporting organisation”

    Correct

    Correct … but is preaching fire and brimstone on social media, that causes issues for his employer and damages its public image, and embodied in Codes of Practice supported by Legislation … also a breach of the contract …

    In fact, Wally and ToM, the ruling is going to be interesting and set a far reaching precedent for IR …

    Far be it for me (and you I suspect) to do the reading in law that this will create … always my favourite subjects … and still are …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The law relating to employment contracts is a little more complicated than that, sonny Jim!

    Exactly why I suggested you read ALL the codes … and also said, “just one” … implying there was more … linked above

    Comprehension … ignorance … patronising and arrogant don’t make you clever, or right … I see you haven’t changed …

  474. Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2019 5:30 pm

    “And which statute, or common law precedent does it infringe? ”

    The Fair Work Act 2009 which was authored by Shortern and Gillard

    Specifically S772 clause (f)

    (1) An employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following reasons, or for reasons including one or more of the following reasons:
    (a) temporary absence from work because of illness or injury of a kind prescribed by the regulations;
    (b) trade union membership or participation in trade union activities outside working hours or, with the employer’s consent, during working hours;
    (c) non-membership of a trade union;
    (d) seeking office as, or acting or having acted in the capacity of, a representative of employees;
    (e) the filing of a complaint, or the participation in proceedings, against an employer involving alleged violation of laws or regulations or recourse to competent administrative authorities;
    (f) race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin;
    (g) absence from work during maternity leave or other parental leave;
    (h) temporary absence from work for the purpose of engaging in a voluntary emergency management activity, where the absence is reasonable having regard to all the circumstances.

    http://www6.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fwa2009114/s772.html

    But there is one proviso further down the section which RA might argue

    And that is………………………

    (2) However, subsection (1) does not prevent a matter referred to in paragraph (1)(f) from being a reason for terminating a person’s employment if:

    (a) the reason is based on the inherent requirements of the particular position concerned; or

    And that’s why the lawyers earn the big bucks

  475. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2019 5:37 pm

    … if he wishes to become a minister and preach then he needs to find alternative employment …

    You see TB, you’re advocating discriminating against an individual on the basis of their religious beliefs. That is exactly what the law is intended to prevent.

    There is no (or little) difference in the employment protection offered on the basis of religious beliefs and the protection offered to someone who is ill

  476. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 6:46 pm

    The AFP’s just trolling us now

    The Australian Federal Police is bracing for fresh scrutiny over its decision to raid major media organisations after officers quietly abandoned a separate investigation into who leaked classified national security advice at the height of a major political dispute over border protection.

    The leak, which Australia’s top spy decried as “seriously damaging” and Labor claimed was orchestrated by the Morrison government to discredit proposed laws to fast track asylum seeker medical transfers, was referred to police by Department of Home Affairs secretary Michael Pezzullo earlier this year.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/breathtaking-development-afp-drops-investigation-into-who-leaked-classified-medevac-advice-20190607-p51vir.html

    Their political affiliation is just Loud and Proud

  477. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2019 7:10 pm

    And that’s why the lawyers earn the big bucks

    No argument there … I’m assuming you are referring to para (f)?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You see TB, you’re advocating discriminating against an individual on the basis of their religious beliefs. That is exactly what the law is intended to prevent.

    That’s where I disagree, ToM, you may see me as biased* but I respect the law (even if its an ass sometimes) … but I do not respect religious zealots using their position or status to promote their beliefs (religious or otherwise – I can imagine the outrage if Folau was promoting Communism) especially when they have signed a contract not to …

    *I do have issues with all organised religion for a number of reasons – their lack of respect for women, gays, truth and justice, athiests, agnostics and their history of violence … ALL of them but most of all the HYPOCRISY of LOVE for one another … the most vitriolic people I have encountered are religious … and I confess to countering that with my own version … the only way I know how to deal with bullies is to stand up to them … I learned that at a very early age …

    And Folau comes across to me as a religious bully!

    His only chance is that he gets judges who are as “christian” as he is …

  478. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2019 7:21 pm

    you may see me as biased* but I respect the law

    No you don’t because the ALP government legislated certain employment protections. One is that you cannot be dismissed as a result of religious beliefs. But that’s exactly what you are advocating.

    It is prohibited. And that’s why the previous warnibg is probably irrelevant.

    As for advocating communism, can you imagine the reaction if a union delegate was dismissed because of his political orientation?

    The ARU has a real problem here, and I rhink they will have to find a very generous benefactor to cough up and get them out of it.

  479. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2019 7:25 pm

    Apparently Folau’s comments about going to hell included Catholics, Buddhists, drunks, thieves, adulters etc.

    Most of the population could have taken offence. So why is it that it is seem as singularly anti homosexual?

  480. ivi permalink
    June 7, 2019 7:42 pm

    (I</a>ANAL)

  481. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2019 9:29 pm

    The ANAL makes much sense ivi, far more than those conserves with their “malignant piety”

  482. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2019 10:25 pm

    The Folau case will be determined on the law, “malignant piety” won’t have anything to do with the outcome.

    And the law will be the one the ALP enacted

  483. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2019 2:15 pm

    “malignant piety” won’t have anything to do with the outcome.

    It will be done on interpretation of the law.

    The ALP may have enacted it, but the libs have polluted it, like they have with all laws. Just ask our stupid fucking media

  484. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2019 3:20 pm

    Most of the population could have taken offence. So why is it that it is seem as singularly anti homosexual?

    That’s Wally’s and your take on it … not “most” people “seem” it that way … (couldn’t help it 🙂 )

    And the law will be the one the ALP enacted So you keep pointing out, why does that excite you so much?

    +++++++++++++++

    The ALP may have enacted it, but the libs have polluted it, like they have with all laws.

    And rivers, and air, and workplaces, and media, and honesty, and society, and the economy, and foreign aid, and politics, and public schools … etc. etc.

    Just ask our stupid fucking media

  485. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2019 3:43 pm

    “And rivers, and air, and workplaces, and media, and honesty, and society, and the economy, and foreign aid, and politics, and public schools … etc. etc. ”

    You must be talking about the ALP. You obviously do not realise how fundamentalist ALP types are. You want to thrust your extreme left wing beliefs down everybodies throat. But you think or say you are doing it for our good.

    Honesty? I have never met anything more dishonest than a ALP supporter

  486. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2019 6:19 pm

    You want to thrust your extreme left wing beliefs down everybodies throat.

  487. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2019 6:21 pm

    BTW, ToM, would tell you … I think you meant, “everybody’s ” … he’s quite anal, y’know …

  488. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2019 6:22 pm

    And I don’t want to thrust anything down anyone’s throat! FMD!

  489. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2019 8:34 pm

    Anthony Albanese has lashed Victorian construction union boss John Setka for disparaging family violence campaigner Rosie Batty, as the Labor leader seeks to minimise the damage of the party’s ongoing affiliation with the controversial figure.

    Speaking to reporters in Perth on Sunday, Mr Albanese described Mr Setka’s comment that the work of Ms Batty had led to men having fewer rights as “totally unacceptable”.

    But Setka and the thuggish CFMEU remain a powerful part of the ALP

  490. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2019 2:30 pm

    “BTW … Cuba is a communist country … “

    And therefore, by definition, it is socialist. What was your point again?

    “Comprehension … ignorance … patronising and arrogant don’t make you clever, or right … I see you haven’t changed …”

    Yes, you’re a big old sweetie too :-). Think of it this way – if you weren’t so convinced of your own infallible brilliance it wouldn’t be necessary to patronise you as much!

  491. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2019 11:18 am

    But Setka and the thuggish CFMEU remain a powerful part of the ALP

    and abbott threatened to punch a woman, did they kick him out, or make him pm?

    And therefore, by definition, it is socialist

    Our Government are far right, anti Union, racist and threatening press freedom, which, by definition, is Nazi. What was your point again?

  492. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2019 11:26 am

    Edification time – again … (talk a bout deja vu) …

    Socialism can refer to a vast swath of the political spectrum, in theory and in practice. Its intellectual history is more varied than that of communism: “The Communist Manifesto,” an 1848 pamphlet by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, devotes a chapter to criticizing the half-dozen forms of socialism already in existence at the time, and proponents have taken just about every left-of-center stance on the ideal (or best achievable) structure of economic and political systems.

    Socialists can be pro- or anti-market. They may consider the ultimate goal to be revolution and the abolition of social classes, or they may seek more pragmatic outcomes: universal healthcare, for example, or a universal pension scheme. Social Security is a socialist policy that has been adopted in the unabashedly capitalist United States (as are the eight-hour working day, free public education and arguably universal suffrage). Socialists may run for election, forming coalitions with non-socialist parties, as they do in Europe, or they may govern as authoritarians, as the Chavista regime does in Venezuela.

    Facts trump personal insults, every time …

  493. ivi permalink
    June 11, 2019 11:33 am

    (Si.)

  494. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2019 11:46 am

    (Si.) is the free market from the point of view of the winners

  495. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2019 11:47 am

    Speaking of winners and Losers

  496. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2019 1:47 pm

    You could do with some edification, TB.

    “Facts trump personal insults, every time …”

    Why not try some logic – socialism is the broader term. Communism is merely one subset of socialism. Even that gibberish quote you are so fond of doesn’t deny that communism is a form of socialism. Also consider this (and the footnotes 1-10):

    “Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers’ self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.”

    Communism is well within that definition. Social ownership of the means of production
    and workers self-management are typical of the major species of communism.

    TomR: “Our Government are far right, anti Union, racist and threatening press freedom, which, by definition, is Nazi. What was your point again?”

    My point (which your nonsense quote exemplifies so well) – is that you are all too often a dribbling loon. On a good day you can rise to the level of frothing lunacy and once in a while you even make sense. Better luck tomorrow!

  497. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2019 1:56 pm

    Better luck tomorrow!

    Better check the top of the page tomorrow wallsy 😉

  498. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2019 2:18 pm

    My point (which your nonsense quote exemplifies so well) – is that you are all too often a dribbling loon. On a good day you can rise to the level of frothing lunacy and once in a while you even make sense. Better luck tomorrow!

    Sorta proves OUR point …

  499. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2019 2:27 pm

    Sorta?

  500. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2019 2:42 pm

    Here is what Troll R said:

    “Our Government are far right, anti Union, racist and threatening press freedom, which, by definition, is Nazi.”

    It makes no sense. There is no such definition except in the mind of a troll. “Nazi” has nothing to do with the Australian government. It is patently illogical name-calling.

  501. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2019 2:59 pm

    It is patently illogical name-calling.

  502. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2019 3:28 pm

    Oh Tom R:

  503. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2019 3:37 pm

    Sounds like a Nazi rip off to me 😉

  504. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2019 4:06 pm

    F*kn Nazi!

  505. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2019 5:58 pm

    Chuckle … winna!

    It’s not a fkn competition!

  506. June 11, 2019 6:03 pm

    “It is patently illogical name-calling.”

    “Here is what Troll R said”

  507. Tony permalink
    June 11, 2019 8:46 pm

    If patently illogical name-calling was ruled out here, there’d be very few comments.

  508. ivi permalink
    June 11, 2019 10:30 pm

    (Shh.)

  509. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2019 5:54 am

    You say, Shh, TrollR says NAZI (Like it’s a bad thing)

  510. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 12, 2019 9:27 am

  511. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2019 9:33 am

    Troll Nazi says NO YOUTUBE FOR YOU!

  512. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2019 2:48 pm

    What a surprise and people wonder why I detest the ALP. If the ALP has done anything good it is only by borrowing money and getting us into debt.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/queensland-budget-2019-winners-and-losers/ar-AACHmDI?ocid=spartanntp

    “Loser: Queensland’s debt
    The state’s debt sits at $71.4 billion but will soar to a massive $90 billion within four years.”

  513. Tony permalink
    June 13, 2019 6:56 pm

    Queensland: Bob Brown convoy one day. Adani approval the next.

  514. June 13, 2019 7:58 pm

    The Greens have an uncanny knack of fucking up everything they touch.

  515. ivi permalink
    June 14, 2019 12:23 am

    (The Greens have an uncanny knack of fucking up everything they touch.

    Indeed; that’s possibly why it’s so very important to run a few head of cattle on your greenfields coal agistments; to agitate to introduce stronger (un)lock-the-gate and no-tre(e)s-pass laws; and never to allow the map-happy Green Movement’s econazis to go on (pre-emptive) reconnaissance missions; also, blithely to ignore the pseudo-separate Parliamentary Greens’ return of all their cross-bench Senators, including those from Queensland?)

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