Perhaps John Setka is just “misunderstood”.
Hate him or hate him John Setka is set to be booted from the Australian Labor Party when it meets next month after a chequered history of controversy culminating in remarks he made recently about ant-violence campaigner Rosie Batty.
The Victorian secretary of the CFMEU has been under fire after he told a union meeting that men had “fewer rights” because of Ms Batty’s work.
Ms Batty’s role as a campaigner began in 2014 after her 11-year-old son Luke Batty was murdered by his father Greg Anderson.
Batty’s personal story of domestic violence and the murder of her son Luke by her ex-partner received widespread public and media attention.
She became an advocate for domestic violence survivors and victims, and sought to address perceived systemic failures in responses to domestic violence in Australia. She has spoken about a lack of communication between services, about public perceptions of domestic violence, about a lack of funding, and about police and legal procedures that she felt disempowered her ability to protect herself and her son.
Batty was appointed 2015 Australian of the Year, awarded the Pride of Australia’s National Courage Medal in 2014, awarded an honorary doctorate by the University of the Sunshine Coast, and was ranked number 33 in the list of the World’s Greatest Leaders 2016 by Fortune magazine.
Despite his affable demeanour, The Gutter Trash can also reveal that a former deputy president of the Fair Work Commission gave a statement to police alleging that Mr Setka repeatedly intimidated and terrified a woman over several months.
Police analysis of Mr Setka’s phone activity reveals on a single evening last October, he called the woman 25 times and sent her 45 text messages, calling her a “weak f—en piece of shit” and a “treacherous Aussie f—en c—” and a “f—en dog”.
Apparently Setka will plead guilty to charges of harassing a woman.
However Setka insists his comments about Rosie Batty were “taken out of context”.
Witnesses at a national executive meeting of the CFMEU Construction last week said Mr Setka had repeatedly told them he had “nothing to be ashamed of”.
They say he spoke uninterrupted and at length, insisting he could not be blamed for Labor’s federal election loss as he had bowed to pressure to go on long-term leave during the campaign due to his criminal charges.
He told the meeting that Labor could “suck me off”.
theguttertrash.com 
He’s not the Messiah ……….. 😉
He told the meeting that Labor could “suck me off”.
Pretty sure no one in Labor atm has the wind left for that 😦
If the comments he reportedly said are true, he needs to be kicked out of the CFMMEU too.
I can almost guarantee he wont be kicked out of the CFMEU. Arseholes like him would have collected plenty for a dirt file that would severely compromise other senior management of the CFMEU.
He’ll keep his job that’s my bet
He’ll keep his job that’s my bet
Ahh, so this is how the libs keep their places 😉
Kick him out?? Setka is emblematic of the CFMMEU!
He won’t be missed … actually more trouble than he’s worth!
He’s certainly not unique. Unions have plenty like him.
Unions have plenty like him.</i.
You'd have thought a multi million dollar witch hunt would have exposed them then, you know, like it did with banks 😉
Haven’t a few Cunts Fucking ME & U types been charged with crimes?
Seems yomms been listening attentively to the Prime Preacher.
Also, seems two sides to the Rosie Batty story
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/06/11/john-setka-emma-walters/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM%20Update%2020190611
Mr Setka conceded he did say – in a union meeting – that lawyers had told him laws had been too skewed against women in the past and were now – in the wake of the Victorian royal commission into family violence and Ms Batty’s campaigns – skewed against men.
Not quite what I’d been hearing he said.
You’d have thought a multi million dollar witch hunt would have exposed them then, you know, like it did with banks
How many people have been charged with criminal offenses out of the banking RC?
skewed against men
That makes it all ok then – “a lawyer told me so it must be true!!”
How many people have been charged with criminal offenses out of the banking RC?
#ChangeTheRules
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-19/royal-commission-criminal-charges-unlikely-to-hit-court/10913066
“a lawyer told me so it must be true!!”
It doesn’t mention if he agreed with it or not (it doesn’t really matter if he does), it appears to have been more a comment on it.
I see… so when the outrageous behaviour of union officials is exposed, your response is – how many have been charged/ convicted.
Even though a range of legislative/regulatory changes were recommended to correct this.
When the outrageous behaviour of banks is exposed… your reaction to the similar lack of charges is… there’s a problem with the rules???
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And now Setja is blaming grubby ALP politics for all this!!
Yep. That makes sense!!
You get the feeling facebook quite likes the conservative status quo
They do pay better
https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/29/facebook-accused-of-blocking-wider-efforts-to-study-its-ad-platform/
He’s certainly not unique. Unions have plenty like him.
And many many more in the banks, financial advise (apologies to Shane – seriously) , superannuation and insurance …
I’ll be out on the streets if this government wants banks on the board of my superannuation!
Yep. That makes sense!!
Tiny minds – yep – it would make “sense” …
UNIONS! BOO! HOO!
How many people have been charged with criminal offenses out of the banking RC?
And that’s another problem that seems to have gone under the bridge under these LNP governments … too many to actually grasp … the flood of shit continues … and shit is hard to grasp … just ask splatterbum …
When the outrageous behaviour of banks is exposed… your reaction to the similar lack of charges is… there’s a problem with the rules???
So you agree the behaviour of the banks was/IS outrageous …
I can give you an example of outrageous!
More Catholic nonsense “He” created all of us you fuckwits … you can have an each way bet on course … but not in LIFE!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/11/vatican-launches-guide-to-tackle-educational-crisis-on-gender
Absofuckinglutely astounding …
Is the Catholic Church a Communist State? One Party, Dictatorship, State ownership … mmmm
And so it begins (continues?) … still, we do have the “economic managers” * in charge …
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/nab-business-survey-declares-grim-retail-sector-in-recession/news-story/9a11d5acd56d55e34029d20f782485be
*sarc alert
So you agree the behaviour of the banks was/IS outrageous …
That’s the difference between me and barrackers. I accept the findings of the RC into banks and unions. Barrackers like you and Tom R are selective about the findings you accept.
You don’t accept RC findings that are inconsistent with your political orientation.
You’ll have to highlight where I said anything about the findings yomm.
Plenty about how differently both were run, sure.
Yes. They were both run with witnesses by an esteemed former member of the judiciary.
But it’s late onthe surf safari, so more sometime
by an esteemed former member of the judiciary.
ROFL
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/justice-heydon-forced-to-pull-out-of-liberal-fundraiser-as-alp-calls-for-turc-shutdown/news-story/ac0f2939684bad547c32137640622a74
“Not quite what I’d been hearing he said.”
Setka should sue for defamation of his sterling character! Worked a treat for Craig Thomson.
Worked a treat for Craig Thomson.
exactly. when the lawyers mob want you gone, you’re gone.
Especially when you aren’t an angel to begin with
Different when you are within the protection racket
Is the PM saying Dutton is not subject to the law?
Hard to explain it another way
Either he’s ignorant of the Attorney generals advice (hard, as it’s been put to him), or he’s acknowledging duttons not subject to the law
The advice was that Dutton is “not incapable” of sitting.
If parliament chooses not to refer him then the matter rests there.
The “parliament chosses’ not to uphold the law. Nice when ya mates control who gets the law, and who doesn’t
“exactly. when the lawyers mob want you gone, you’re gone.”
I know what you mean Tom R, Thomson was another victim of the the robber barons and their police state!
The trouble with that theory is that it wasn’t the lawyers who went after Thomson. It was Thomson who called in the lawyers to extort Fairfax. If he hadn’t done that his offending would probably not have come to light.
He was convicted because he did in fact steal union money to root whores and lied to parliament about it. It was the truth that lost him the case and resulted in his conviction. Just another thieving unionist. But in this case he actually got caught, unlike most of the mongrel union officials out their rorting their members.
lawyers mob splats
you read bad
Don’t blame the lawyers, Tom R. Thomson unleashed the lawyers on Fairfax. He was full stupid to do so.
But for that act of hubris he would now be a prominent ALP politician and we would be unaware that he was a thief who stole money from poor workers to spend rooting whores in the Red Turbo Room.
Craig at least can serve as a lesson to the rest of us: don’t claim to be defamed when you are a lying, thieving, harlot-humper!
“rooting whores in the Red Turbo Room”
NTTAWWT.
That’s the difference between me and barrackers …You don’t accept RC findings that are inconsistent with your political orientation.
Evidence? ToM, UNIONS BOO! You’ve been at it for a fkn decade or more …
Political orientation my arse, ToM … yours is bigger than mine? … schoolyard nonsense … half of those CEO’s at least should be in prison for STEALING and the other half should resign for allowing senior managers to perpetrate STEALING …
You attack the unions for business reasons (and LNP policy) … the plan is to get rid of unions (there is more than the CFMMEU, BTW), so that business can run riot over working conditions and wages … the rot has already set in … USA – $2 an hour and tips …
Pretty sure you work in politics the way you fudge everything you are asked and ask stupid questions … and then whinge when you are given an answer you don’t like … either that or you are just an LNP lemming … like NEEEEEL only a bit smarter …
when you are a lying, thieving, harlot-humper!
Sounds like Folau’s brother, brother …
NTTAWWT!!!! I had to Google that for an acronym that’s almost a word!
either that or you are just an LNP lemming … like NEEEEEL only a bit smarter …
TB
I did not lock up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013. You did.
Rudd/Swan were handed a budget with a $20B surplus. Within 12 months Labor had turned it into a $27B deficit. A $47B turn around and we have been in budget deficit ever since. In 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free. That is until YOU voted for Rudd.
The ALP just destroys things. It is a party of evil that just destroys the lives of people
No TB… you don’t accept the findings of a RC into unions, but you simply expect endorsement of the one into banking.
That displays your political orientation.
On the other hand, I endorse both sets of findings
On the other hand, I endorse both sets of findings
And so do I … your take is not omnipotent! You’re arrogant patronising is astounding …
The RCU actually charged people … where are the charges for the RCFS?
You endorse double standards because of your Liberal Party affiliation … and then say That displays your political orientation.
It’s the old trick of accusing others of what YOU do, and doesn’t work around here …
This should be fun!!
A powerful union figure says Labor leader Anthony Albanese should consider resigning for accepting “false allegations” against controversial construction union leader John Setka.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-12/union-boss-says-labor-leader-anthony-albanese-should-resign/11203312
It will be interesting to see if a setka video/ audio turns up. There has already been a dude that was `in the room` at so-called rosie hate speak saying it was bullshit, not much good for albo and the dishwaters that have already dived head first into the echoChamber.
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” NTTAWWT!!!! I had to Google that ” .. GiddyUp!
yep, methinks albo has run his mouth off, again.
Although, from what I hear, he is no fan of Setka, so could be using this himself.
All I know is, the libs and media haven’t wasted any time in hunting Unions again.
I mean, farfax has always been anti union, but this is stupid, even by their standards
I am not a member of the union and the union won’t help me
https://www.smh.com.au/business/workplace/they-sold-me-out-lawyers-compete-with-unions-for-business-to-settle-wage-disputes-20190528-p51rx7.html
News avoidance and fatigue: The proportion of Australians avoiding news has increased from 57% in 2017 to 62% in 2019, and 28% say they are worn out by the volume of news. Eighty-eight per cent of those who are worn out by news, also avoid it.
Interest in news and politics: The proportion of Australians who say they are interested in news has dropped from 64% in 2016 to 58% in 2019; and 65% of Australians say they have a low interest in politics. @and-they-vote
https://www.canberra.edu.au/research/faculty-research-centres/nmrc/digital-news-report-australia-2019
Let’s not forget the rabid defense of a convicted pedophile either.
Seems if you fight for the lives of workers, you are fair game, pray to a sky faerie, and anything can be forgiven.
Question though, have the laws gone too far since the campaign led by Rosie Batty etal?
Or is that misogynist to ask?
Neither should lose their job.
And you should be free to discuss the impact of Rosie Batty. I see her as playing a minor role in the war on men and wouldn’t limit the discussion to her campaign.
Aren’t we waiting to find out if falou should have lost his job, considering their claim is he broke the contract?
I’m interested in the wider issue. I don”t think employers should dictate speech codes outside the workplace. Do you think teachers in Christian schools should be sacked for supporting non-Christian lifestyles outside the school?
Also there is a wider issue of social media monopolies restricting free speech by essentially shutting down dissenting views in what is the virtual public square.
I don”t think employers should dictate speech codes outside the workplace.
Neither do I, but, when you are a high profile player recognised because of the company, you are in the spotlight because of them, and so owe some kind of behavioral pattern to them, especially if you have signed a contract stipulating this.
It’s different from a person working behind the scenes, who, outside of work, says stuff, without bringing their company into it.
falou owes his reach of people to his employer, and, as such, should abide by their code of conduct, at all times he is in the public eye (as all sports stars so)
Setka is a high profile Leader of an organisation, and therefore should be held to high standards
unlike falou, who said things against a group of people, Setka has a range of allegations, nothing more (as yet)
“”You’re arrogant patronising is astounding …””
I think you mean “Your patronising arrogance”..
That is the trouble with emotional types – stir them up and in their haste to retaliate they get it all bass-ackwards! Happens to me all the time.
Happens to me all the time.
BALLSHIT!
oh, did I type in haste 🙂
Has some surf shots for ToM.
pertinent
(Neither should lose their job.
Yes; I miss the good ol’ days, when a self-motivated Federal Attorney-General could just phone a State Police Minister, and thence a State Police Commissioner for a friendly, late-night, forty-minute chat on the weekend to discuss nothing(s) in particular, too; these days, it’s all alleged defamatory claims about (ir)responsible Ministers’ Departmental Secretaries, (in)appropriate conversations, and ad hoc counselling sessions.
Still, I guess, in this all–too–PC era, it also might be somewhat apt, occasionally, to be recognisant of employers’ general duty to provide a ‘safe workplace’, pursuant to relevant legislations and/or code(s) of conduct(s), for (un)particular employees and patrons.)
Now Sally McManus is telling Setka to resign too!! She is too easily influenced by the media.
She is too easily influenced by the media.
Quite obviously, as she said he should, even if innocent.
They know what’s coming, it’s all political, and it’s all the libs long game of killing off Unions
it’s all the libs long game of killing off Unions
Heavens!! And Sally Mc is part of that!!! It’s a bigger conspiracy than even I thought!!
And Sally Mc is part of that
Yor an idiot yomm
It’s all going swimmingly
Instead, markets and economists lifted their expectations of a rate cut in July as the gap widened between what the RBA and policy makers want and what they’re getting.
Compared to our international peers, Australia’s job market is performing poorly. The jobless rate is 3.6 per cent in America, 3.8 per cent in Britain, 4.2 per cent in New Zealand and 2.5 per cent in Japan.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/jobs-data-moves-rba-closer-to-another-rate-cut-20190613-p51xda.html
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/host-of-new-faults-revealed-in-australias-billiondollar-fighter-jets/news-story/1c8156144f92d4f61d14703d47f8e58b
I suppose we should get ready for an outpouring of outrage from the left over the extradition process for Julian Assange.
I struggle to figure out why he evokes such passion from the left. He delivered the presidency to the biggest reactionary f***wit that’s ever been a candidate.
We should all be concerned at the attack on a publisher such as Assange. The charges seem very thin indeed.
The left don’t want him in the US as he may do a deal to reveal their dirty secrets to the authorities – who really hacked the DNC servers, who Arkancided Seth Rich and how the Klintoon Foundation received hundreds of millions of dollars from entities that had business with Hillary as Secretary of State at the very same time their deals were going down. That’s why the left are shitting themselves.
These “people” really are thick as bricks …
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/15/chile-bishop-resigns-after-suggesting-there-is-a-reason-the-last-supper-had-no-women
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I suppose we should get ready for an outpouring of outrage from the left over the extradition process for Julian Assange.
There ya go again … whitewashing the windows as well as the walls … who says its the fkn left … YOU! BOO! Build a fkn bridge!
That’s why the left are shitting themselves. Alongside yer dopey mate “commies under the beds” SplatterBum McCarthy …
You really need to be careful what you wish for … this government has all the hallmarks of of a fascist government … in 1930 far more than any left wing uprising …
Read this and see if you can continue to argue that Setka is being set up by the media.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/setka-the-survivor-stands-firm-amid-the-wreckage-20190613-p51xkh.html
Of course TB. Assange is so popular with the right.
Cool yomm, an article written by a churnalist who himself pled guilty to breaking into an ALP database.
Should be good 😉
Or is it just a collection of stories to shed him in the worst light possible?
this government has all the hallmarks of of a fascist government … in 1930 far more than any left wing uprising …
Really? Please tell me why. The previous Rudd/Gillard govt which you voted for locked up 50,000 boat people costing us $15B and $1B/year since 2013
You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say. And YOU TB of Queensland locked up 50,000 people from 2008-2013.
Yes Tom R. Attack the author, and don’t worry about the content. The usual tactics
and don’t worry about the content.
Yea, he is an ‘author’, not a journalist. tilting everything in the story in the worst light, like his dad wasn’t working on the bridge when it collapsed, he was having a smoke.
Everything in that piece drips of vengeance. It’s atrocious.
(Read this and see if you can continue to argue that Setka is being set up by the media.
Mmmhmm)
(Odd. I* was vaguely under the impression that latter-day-Assange was/is mildly (un)popular with teh swiftboat–set.)
Fascinating that a former ETU state secretary would look for reasons to find in favour of a union delegate who has used threatening and bullying language.
(Yes; it’s usually-tactically sensible to interact in a ‘thoughtful, caring and polite manner’.)
(“The Age and Herald stand by their reporting – which did not report that he had criticised Ms Batty personally – a position confirmed by attendees, including Setka (to the New Daily) and others.”
“Mr Setka has been under intense pressure to step down since The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald reported last Saturday graphic details of his harassment of a woman.
Mr Albanese has defended his move to expel Mr Setka from Labor.
“The comments are very clear … whether he argues that they were misinterpreted or not.”)
Tom R:
“Yea, he is an ‘author’, not a journalist. tilting everything in the story in the worst light, like his dad wasn’t working on the bridge when it collapsed, he was having a smoke.
Everything in that piece drips of vengeance. It’s atrocious.”
Magnificent sense of humour, old chap. I take it you’ve never seen a mirror!
So “mobbing” is like when the SJWs swarm to make an example of someone?
TB:
“You really need to be careful what you wish for … this government has all the hallmarks of of a fascist government … in 1930 far more than any left wing uprising …”
More fascist is the weaponisation of the intelligence community under Obama to spy on and attempt to take down a sitting president based on Russian disinformation bought and paid for by the Klintoon campaign.
What I wish for in my most fevered dreams, what I have already wasted gallons of bodily fluids over, is that the whole scheme be exposed, the swamp drained, the ringleaders bought to justice and Obama executed.
Well didn`t sallyMc collapse like a house of cards over the setka road bump. l thought she was more muscular, and more renegade than the rest of the dishwaters. Obviously l was wrong. Tho others can still squirt over imaginary dishwater uprising/s.
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ongoing ” and persistent cracking with about half of tenants offered the possibility of an escorted trip back inside to collect some personal belongings. Mascot Towers was vacated on Friday night after engineers became increasingly concerned about cracks in the primary support structure and facade masonry of the decade-old building in the inner-south suburb of Mascot. Residents were told to be ready to leave at short notice and a temporary structural support was urgently installed on Thursday after building management noticed the cracks were widening.
@-l guess its just the era we live in
(@-l guess its just the era we live in
Yes; I still sometimes think that the ‘lessons (not) learned’ chapter of the Final Orgill Report into the BER makes for an interesting general read; possibly more interesting than persistent (re)iterations of an ongoing neoliberal/economic-rationalist obsession – including exciting recommendations issuing from an ersatz-Productivity Commission tasked to follow-up on an over-/under-performing Construction Industry – with addressing a 30%-overpaid, unionised workforce holding back (already-)fantabulous (re)development(s) in Emerald City.)
ABC to have mire diversity of views… diversity of views is definately something the left won’t like.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/abc-boss-to-push-for-more-diversity-of-views-among-panel-show-guests-20190616-p51y7k.html
The ABC should appoint Ross Cameron host and executive producer of Insiders.
And Gerard Henderson to run Media Watch.
Also a new nightly show – Luvvie Lunacy with Rowan Dean.
And howsabout “Latham Unleashed – Mad Mark Says What He Really Thinks!”
ABC to have mire diversity of views
Interesting choice of typo there yomm, or ……. wasn’t it?
From right, to Far right
Hard to believe, but obviously true. Setkas viscous violence against Rosie Batty has caused many buildings his layabout thugs smoked around are now cracking, as probably intended from when he studied at the feet of the great Mao
What was said about Rosie is irrelevant. Setka should be expelled for his stellar career of bullying, violence and thuggery. This is unlikely to happen as those skills are highly prized in the ALP and in unions generally.
Setka should be expelled for his stellar career of bullying, violence and thuggery.
Funny, why then has the media expended so much on the Rosie Batty comments
Is because his stellar career of bullying, violence and thuggery is built from being convicted of defending workers rights under the most extreme laws in the western world?
Where a Union gets fined $millions for blockading a company that is found guilty for causing the deaths of workers through repeated negligence?
Yea, not a good look there is it
Utterly demented thug: “You just f—ing watch, I’ll get you. I’ve got a 12-year-old son and I swear on his f—ing life, I swear on my son’s life, you watch, I’ll fix you up.”
Union jerk threatening other peoples’ kids: “They will not be able to show their faces anywhere. Their kids will be ashamed of who their parents are when we expose all these ABCC inspectors.”
He is also a great respecter of women: Mr Setka sent some 45 text messages to the woman including calling her a “c–t”, “drunken moron” and a “weak f—n piece of s–t”.
No doubt you have no problem with any of the above Tom R, being Setka’s most devoted arse-licker but some of us can see in those examples and in his previous convictions a volatile maniac. No wonder he is mates with Mick Gatto and the Comancheros.
So, his his stellar career of bullying, violence and thuggery comprises of leaked allegations from a current case
gotcha 😉
I had no doubt you would like his style, Tom R. Bet you use some of his lines to chat up the ladies, eh?
You looking for pointers are splats?
There is nothing inconsistent with high minded words in calmer moments and the thuggish brutality of a volatile crackpot when he loses his shit. Talk about toxic masculinity!
Still, to your point, he does fight for his members rather than sell them out like Shorten or steal their money to root whores like Thomson.
Never been a member but, l entirely enjoy the mighty cmfu2 on the basis of who they make squirt. What`s not to like. (-: lts a great show.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/17/elderly-victorians-being-treated-for-hypothermia-as-heating-costs-bite
Privatisation at it’s worst (best?)
Privatisation at it’s worst (best?)
Nope. Push for renewables means coal produced electricity which is the cheapest is out of fashion. Nobody wants to invest in a coal fired power plant because the competition, renewables, is subsidised by the govt
Just so you remember … failing memories seem to be a problem here … like poor comprehension and twisted interpretations …
TB Queensland permalink
June 11, 2019 2:20 pm
He won’t be missed … actually more trouble than he’s worth!
I was a union member, rep actually (AMWU), but forced into it (they actually threatened to take my workmates out if I didn’t join) … I was the last one standing apparently … as a manager I dealt unions daily, usually amicably, and even invited one union to present their case to my workforce …
As a consultant on mine sites I had more that one run in with the CFMEU … but usually reached an amicable agreement with any issue they had … usually there misinterpretation of my OH&S competency learning programs for managers/supervisors – they wanted their member to attend too!
Just so you have a background for my next comment.
The problem I have with Setka is not his dedication, passion and fire for his members BUT the way he goes about it … it is aggressive, abusive and attacks people who are simply doing their jobs like him … (and I can’t find what he “actually” said about Rosie Batty? )
And don’t think for one minute that Setka is THE UNION …
I have been in Boardrooms listening to senior managers planning … operations that will not only put workers at risk but the local POPULATION … they go about it surreptitiously, Setka, opens his big mouth and the media boost the volume … he’s a hero to the potential victims …
Workers are being exploited in this country daily … without employee unions, the business unions will run the roost … $2 an hour and tips … no medicare – medical insurance after two years service … one weeks leave after two years, two weeks after three years … no paid public holidays … and no basic wage …
Setka is a frustrated, uncouth, thug of a union boss … because of thugs who run businesses who don’t get the media magnification … ’cause they sit in Boardrooms …
Don’t be fooled with the ignorance of the media … the stupid buggers can’t even spell … and don’t even consider grammar … and I’ve never seen any in Boardrooms!
Setka, has to go but the that does not mean that managers and directors should not go too – to jail …
The poor buggers who have to go to work every day to earn a quid for their families and simply survive have to rely on the Setkas of this world … in some cases … to stay alive!
The worst quote from any Boardroom (I heard!) … “they’re like pencils … once one breaks … you just get another” … (I just closed my eyes and shook my head … again)
(CNN) Over 40% of Greenland experienced melting Thursday, with total ice loss estimated to be more than 2 gigatons (equal to 2 billion tons) on just that day alone. While Greenland is a big island filled with lots of ice, it is highly unusual for that much ice to be lost in the middle of June. The average “melt season” for Greenland runs from June to August, with the bulk of the melting occurring in July. ((snip!!!))
This much melting this early in the summer could be a bad sign, indicating 2019 could once again set records for the amount of Greenland ice loss. Mote explained how snow and ice melt off the Greenland ice sheet, especially early in the season, makes it easier to for additional melt to occur later in the summer. ((snip!!!))
Mote says “all signs seem to be pointing to a large melt season,” and he is far from the only scientist to think so. Jason Box, an ice climatologist at the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, predicted in late May that “2019 will be a big melt year for Greenland.” Box pointed out that this year had unusually early-season melt days in April, and the melt season was “happening about three weeks earlier than average, and earlier than the record-setting melt year of 2012.”
@nothing like a little global cooling to sort out the primates.
At a naming ceremony on Sunday, Mr Netanyahu said Trump Heights honoured Mr Trump for his decision to recognise Israeli sovereignty over the territory. Building work has yet to begin but a sign bearing Mr Trump’s name and US and Israeli flags was unveiled.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/john-setka-declares-war-on-union-movement-spineless-leakers-20190617-p51ynj.html
It’s all going really well for union solidarity and ALP affiliation.
Hilarious!!! But… blame the media!!
Oh no yomm, I blame albo for being a pussy.
OR
He wants Setka gone.
But the media have been atrocious, again.
As highlighted by your hit piece above, and better by ivi’s “which did not report that he had criticised Ms Batty personally ” yet ………….
And then went on about a “pattern” of behaviour which boiled down to …….. the current charges.
Pattern of behaviour- bullying, abuse, threats!
Ideal union leadership. CFMEU style.
I blame albo for being a pussy.
No wonder you want him to lead a government , what was it Hawke said about governing your party? And maybe that’s even been quoted here… but not about the ALP structure, of course.
No doubts the ALP have big problems in the aftermath of the loss.
They are handling it terribly
And Albo, to date, has shown that they were correct to choose Shorten.
I think Albo will take them further back.
And we saw Union Leadership above
here’s more of the same 😉
Here’s a ‘pattern’ of behaviour
‘I know nothing’………..
Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton is one of the most powerful operators in the re-elected Morrison government, but you wouldn’t know it if you took him at his word.
Everything that is contentious about his giant department has apparently nothing much to do with him.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/06/17/peter-dutton-manus/
It’s kind of wonderful watching the Left devour its own LOL
It’s kind of wonderful watching the Left devour its own LOL
it’s not pretty to watch from this side 😦
😉
Meanwhile, while the cpg make it all about Labor
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/its-time-end-strong-economy-propaganda-230414837.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw
“I think Albo will take them further back.”
Agreed. I’m not sure he will even make it to the next election.
The really need a fresher look
If Albo looks too Lefty he will alienate the mainstream electorate like they just did in the election but if he is not Lefty enough he might lose his own seat. And Tanya wont be far behind him.
Those 2 electorates are all about electric cars, poetry, long beards, the local vegan butcher and almond milk
Fuck this was the joint 4 years ago
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-25/humans-of-newtown-suburbs-unique-characters-come-to-life-in-blog/6722440
Bigger issues afoot … especially a dangerously spiraling – downwards – economy … these dicks could find a fuck in a brothel!
Easier to attack the opposition (after winning the election?) than get on governing the country … kindergarten mentality …
“I’m not sure he will even make it to the next election. The really need a fresher look”
I fear you may be right.
It seems that these days in politics, all you need to be is a knock-around blokey religious nutjob and consummate liar in order to succeed.
The whole place is fucked, basically.
Easier to attack the opposition (after winning the election?) than get on governing the country … kindergarten mentality …
Hilarious, Setka and his bullying mates are the only ones attacking the ALP at the moment. It looks like the Libs are shutting up and leaving the attacking to militant union bullies!!
Retreating pessimists already reckon “The whole place is fucked, basically.“, because they have lost skyfairy-level faith in; blib stooten clawing his way back to leadership; team dishwater being able to build a brand beyond `teabag-lite` with the majority of voters; and frontyard signage that just doesn`t cut-it! Seek the path of reality oh pessimist, as this reveals the silverlining of the show. More of the same will produce the same. No matter which leader or team we ever select, none will have the strength or brains to resist china, theRonald, theBoris or theCorporates.
“… these dicks could find a fuck in a brothel!”
Bring back Craig Thomson – one of the truly great fuck-finders!
https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/oh-the-irony-of-these-signs-xx-photos-25-1.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=641&zoom=2
It looks like the Libs are shutting up I wish they would … and do something to get this country out of the shit that’s rolling down the mountain …
one of the truly great fuck-finders … at least Thomson could find one … this dopey lot would want to fund their cola fired mates …
Seek the path of reality oh pessimist, as this reveals the silverlining of the show. More of the same will produce the same. No matter which leader or team we ever select, none will have the strength or brains to resist china, theRonald, theBoris or theCorporates.
Jesus fucking wept!
and do something to get this country out of the shit that’s rolling down the mountain
We are doing OK. The current unemployment rate is lower than any time under hawke/keating. In fact they never got close to the current rate. It was at 11% when keating became PM
(The whole place is fucked, basically.
Basically….
Speaking to Sky News yesterday, Mr Bernardi said he was open to the idea.
“I am open to having a conversation with the Government about how best I can support their agenda, but I’m not compromising myself,” he said. “I do want to see this government succeed, so I’ll think about how best I can do that.”
Senior Liberals appear to be on-board as well.
“I speak to Cory from time to time, of course. In relation to the reports this morning, that is really a matter for the Liberal Party in South Australia,” Mr Cormann said this morning. “I would always like to see additional members in the Senate join the Liberal-National team, of course.”)
(“I speak to Cory from time to time, of course” .. the conversation is exhilarating from the colony`s and does the britannia empire proud. “I would always like to see additional members” .. before the teabag-panic really sets-in.)
( .. before the teabag-panic really sets-in
Frenemies, of the People, all round, eh.)
What would expert international investigators know?
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/suspects-to-be-charged-over-shooting-down-of-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17/news-story/4a128a7229171677cbc2ab0b8b85f020
So many union officials are traitors to the cause, siding with the vast right wing conspiracy and their media mates to oust Our John
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/john-setka-s-opponents-in-the-unions-vastly-outnumber-his-supporters-20190619-p51z8j.html
hmm, I wonder if Ben Schneiders got his ‘analysis’ when he illegally hacked an ALP database?
Lovely friends you got there yomm. These are you ‘fair minded’ reporters hey lol
Mind you, as I said, Setka is toast. When even the gormless alp drop you, you have nothing left, not even the assumption of innocence.
Meanwhile, The whole place is fucked, basically.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2019/06/19/retail-tough-conditions-insolvencies/
Businesses struggle as retail ‘worse than the GFC’
Apparently Anne Aly is “recklessly irresponsible and wrong”, even though, everything else says… NOT!
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/state-budgets-reveal-much-bleaker-outlook-for-economies-than-canberra-predicts-20190619-p51z3k.html
State and territory treasuries are warning the national economy is at risk from slowing wages and subdued jobs growth that could also undermine the federal budget and the spending plans of the Morrison government.
Well done oz, this is what you voted for, continued corruption.
But hey, Setka said something totally unremarkable about Rosie Batty, so there is that.
Ever get the feeling the cuntry is being trolled?
“Police analysis of Mr Setka’s phone activity reveals on a single evening last October, he called the woman 25 times and sent her 45 text messages. In the messages he called her a “weak f—en piece of shit” and a “treacherous Aussie f—en c—” and a “f—en dog”.
A witness, a former judicial figure, described how Mr Setka had allegedly repeatedly intimidated and terrified the woman over several months.”
Of course all this toxic masculinity is just rumours and lies. And next Wednesday when Setka enters his guilty plea Tom aRse will have found a fallback excuse to justify continuing his slobbering analingus of this union thug.
Remember how Tom R barracked so hard for Thomson right to the bitter end, long after the judge had found that Thomson stole funds from poor workers to root whores? He certainly has a fetish for crooked and thuggish union officials. In fact it would surprise me if he isn’t one himself!
allegedly
Of course, I’m sure he’ll be proven guilty
In which case, if he was just a religious nut job kiddy fiddler, then the ltdnews stable and lib pollies would be out to defend him.
Do you see a logical imbalance here?
It’s OK, Tom R. You are allowed to be imbalanced. Otherwise you wouldn’t be such a wonderful troll!
If septic Setka is proven guilty by his own guilty plea would you accept that then?
If septic Setka is proven guilty by his own guilty plea would you accept that then?
Unlike the conserves currently attacking him, yes
IF!
“IF!”
You won’t have to wait too long. His plea hearing is next Wednesday.
(You won’t have to wait too long.
Yes; it is and it isn’t the bracket-creep, stoopid.)
You won’t have to wait too long. </i.
it's obviously too long for some (lots).
it is
“The Prime Minister was asked in a question and answer session on Tuesday: “Are you actually saying we could go back into recession under Labor?”
Mr Morrison answered: “I’m saying the economy will be weaker under Labor.”
He added: “That’s exactly what I’m saying because they’re going to put …..”
Reardon wuits as Setka’s deputy!! He’s another traitor to the cause!
He’s been manipulated by the right wing media, just like Sally McManus
Oh noes! Call the thought police! The right-wing media made them do it!!!
Pretty much everyone on the Union movement gets slandered like Setka has been, hey reardon.
Yeah!! Obviously Setka is really, really opposed to abuse of women. That’s why he’s pleading guilty.
a) it’s allegedly pleading guilty
b) it’s sending abusive texts to a person. (if he did)
See ivi’s link way back when
sending abusive texts to a person
I think that’s what I said.
I think that’s what I said.
I thought you’d said this
Obviously Setka is really, really opposed to abuse of women.
You always focused on the fact it was a woman
Yep… that’s because his (admitted) outrageous bullying was directed to a woman.
Setka absued a woman in the most vile and insulting way. Or do you think there’s some other way to describe his behaviour?
Ironically MH`17` was the `17`th plane shot down over the battlefield. Sorry yomm, not even going to waste my time on`ya LimitedNews link. lt will not be as comprehensive as the `aircrash` show. Limitednews will obviously Omit 16-warbirds already shot down, yank airlines and qantas obeying notam/s while malaysia-air disobeyed along with many other reckless. Limitednews will Just be peddling mr-rabbits imbecile politics which the dutch have swallowed along with most of the FakeNews outlets. Until now, faa/ntsb and international equivalents have been one of the very few global co-operation successes. l now await to see just how much of this co-operation falls away for dutch`s faa/ntsb and aust`s faa/ntsb(casa/atsb) between current whipping-boys (china, korea, rusher, iran) and future whipping-boys, and any other nation/s that perceive co-operating with teh-west as a threat. Then there is the mangling of insurance and shipping. Happy Flying!
Lot of look over there – here … The whole place is fucked, basically.</i … so while the country and the planet are going to shit … let’s play kick the shit out of a union boss …
That actually tells you something about kindy mentality that’s fucked the country and the planet …
Victoria may become very busy soon …
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the `17`th plane shot down over the battlefield
Nah … many more than that (over a century and a bit 🙂 ) … fake news … you do know that civilian aircraft send identifier signals … constantly?
http://mentalfloss.com/article/550073/aircraft-tracker-shows-one-busiest-days-ever-air-travel
If you can fire a missile you can track a commercial flight!
FYI … I think MalAir were dumb as shit too … but that doesn’t mean someone has the right to blow their bloody plane up with almost 200 people on board!
that’s because his allegedly (admitted) outrageous bullying was directed to a woman.
That doesn’t make it about his treatment of women though, like you and the media are attempting. It is about his alleged treatment of somebody. And, IF he did, WHY?
churnos are supposed to ask these sorts of questions. But they are too busy framing him. It’s all too neat.
Start with unfounded rumours of him slogging of a womens rights campaigner.
Let that wash over without an apology or explanation, just neatly move into another set of allegations about his alleged treatment of a woman.
Just keep the smear rolling.
If he was a kiddy fiddling priest, they’d have the pack out defending him to the last. Instead, he’s tried, judged and executed before anybody knows anything but some juicy tidbits.
IF he’s guilty of something, then sure, hang him out.
I’ll wait a week or so to make my judgement.
let’s play kick the shit out of a union boss …
It’s like it’s never been done before. Before we know it, the recession will be over, and people will be wondering why it feels like they’re in a third world cuntry.
If ” you can fire a missile you can track a commercial flight! ”
That`s a pretty big call teebz. l would NOT bet the mobile military equipment on the ground includes SquawkBox tech. Even when there is things can still go wrong as the yank-warship parked under known flightpath and blew iran-air out of the sky proved. They `hooked` the squawk of a fighterjet still on the ground.
that ” civilian aircraft send identifier signals” @yep^^squawks
more ” than that (over a century”
NOT, Ironically MH`17` was the `17`th plane shot down over ANY-OLD battlefield.
TRY, Ironically MH`17` was the `17`th plane shot down over THAT-SPECIFIC battlefield.
By the way, you can all just fuck off as far as I’m concerned.
That`s a pretty big call teebz. l would NOT bet the mobile military equipment on the ground includes SquawkBox tech.
You need to get some education on 21st century military capability, matey …
By the way, you can all just fuck off as far as I’m concerned.
How many flagons of Shiraz have you fkn consumed today, Grumpy?
LOL! I typed, shiraz – it’s got a wriggly red line under it! This Yankee “English” wants a capital S … giggle …
Ya full`o crap gram`pa. l didn`t claim to be knowledgeable on rusky `buk` launchers. HINT ” l would NOT bet” But you failed to display evidence of your “education” on rusky buk launchers. Ya also a bit deluded that pre-bombed jumpy ground crews won`t fcuk things up either.
(Crypto Coin Frenemies of the People and SnowFlakes having hissy fits as 800 million primates depend on meltwater to sustain their rivers.)
And IF he did, WHY?
Of ccourse Setka would have had a perfectly goid reason for that vile, obscene, bulllying of a
womanperson.He probably thought she was a construction site manager
Hilarious !!!
Go argue with the prosecutors and investigators.
For the first time since Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down in July 2014, prosecutors have announced charges against suspects in the case.
By the way, you can all just fuck off as far as I’m concerned.
It’s nice here
(Go argue with the prosecutors and investigators.
Nar: “At the same press conference, Malaysian prosecutor Mohamad Hanafiah bin Zakaria told reporters the findings ‘are based on extensive investigations and also legal research.).
Go ” argue with the prosecutors and investigators.”
Don`t need to dummy. lt has already been to air worldwide on the `aircrash` show. Much of what the atsb/jit/investigators (including military technical advisors, and flight data recorder) will bring to court will not be helping the prosecutors, but will be helping any defence arguments, that is, if this political panto bothers pretending to have a defence. As they`re dusting off the hague l wonder if they`ll go after the 100s (if not 1000s) of on-whim murder by drone and `collateral-murder` events committed in iraq.
Hate to break in on the plane talking here, but, apparently, all those greedy pensioners got just what they deserved.
SUCKED IN!
Almost a million retirees are being short-changed by the Morrison government as it fails to increase their fortnightly payments to reflect the hit long-term savings are taking because of falling interest rates.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/we-re-sick-of-being-milked-retirees-demand-deeming-changes-20190620-p51zm5.html
Dumb Twats.
EVERYTIME they get fed and led, and EVERYTIME, they get screwed.
I didn’t get past – No need to… because everything else is just…
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-telstra-au&source=android-browser&q=sound+of+fart
The script is so tired and tried, but, in the end, it’s gonna work, cos it only has to work once
Seems the goal of the Morrison government is even worse when it come to Diggers!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/21/psychologists-fear-for-defence-staff-as-bupa-poised-to-take-over-contract
What if they had a war and nobody came … sickening, self interested, bastards …
Ya full`o crap gram`pa.
‘Scuse me?
And while I’m here … That`s a pretty big call teebz … … l didn`t claim to be knowledgeable on rusky `buk` launchers.
I didn’t claim to be “knowledgeable” on the Buk (Gadfly) … but I knew of it and some of its capabilities … (and yes ’tis an interest of mine … from memory Wally has an interest too)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
Not hard to find …
And FYI I do keep up with (ADF particularly) military technology advancements … for personal reasons and because I have access to some of the (publicly available) info … once a member always a member of the green machine …
Did you know that the RAA (artillery) can analyse an exploded shell on a battlefield … identify where it came from, who fired it and where from, quickly enough to return fire!!
More RELIGIOUS HYPOCRISY!
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/israel-folau-forgives-teammates-barbs-in-first-interview-since-sacking/news-story/8a2ed0c33db107927ac66cd2720fe016
The command component is intended to discern `friendly` military aircraft from foes (IFF)
You do realize the IFF supports my args teebz. The iff ground sends secret code on secret frequency to aircraft. The `friendly` aircraft reply with secret code on secret frequency. Both the `unfriendly` AND `neutral` aircraft cannot/do not receive the secrets so cannot/do not reply. Both unfriendly and neutral cannot be separated by iff system. lt really seperates `friendly` from `rest`.
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Qantas says it will reroute flights away from the Strait of Hormuz and Gulf of Oman after Iran shot down a US military surveillance drone. Qantas said it would affect its flights between Australia and London. The decision on Friday comes after the US Federal Aviation Administration barred American-registered aircraft from flying over Iranian-administered airspace in the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman over the Revolutionary Guard shooting down the US drone, affecting a region crucial to global air travel.((snip!!!!))
Its not only “ironic” – its stupidly sad …
Too funny. A ALP supporter talking about creating jobs. That is one thing the ALP does not know how to do
A ALP supporter talking about creating jobs. … An ALP supporter … once it becomes an acronym … just ask ToMmy … unless he’s been eaten by a shark …
That is one thing the ALP does not know how to do.
You do have a link for that stupidity of course …
In the meantime … enjoy …
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/jun/21/seth-meyers-trump-winston-churchill-late-night
I don’t need a link. There have been 3 Labor govts in the lifetime of most Australians. Whitlam, Hawke/Keating, Rudd/Gillard. None of them have a good record in creating jobs
Hawke/Keating never got close to the current low unemployment rate. It was at 11% when keating became PM
Don Aitkin – a thoughtful and interesting blogger – reflects on his new life in a nursing home.
I dread the day (hopefully at least 20 years away) when my belongings and the locus of my life are reduced to a room in a nursing home as I slowly dribble and drool my way off this mortal coil in a soggy fog of confusion and incontinence.
The early signs of decline are probably already with me. And some of you bastards aren’t that young either!
Also the Setka show is getting more interesting:
“Troy Gray, Setka’s ally, stated the obvious when he declared: “John Setka is not going anywhere.” Gray also announced that the union he leads, the Victorian Electrical Trades Union, intends to trawl through the personal lives of state and federal ALP politicians in a search for dirt to use against them: “If sending a text message is the standard for resignation then there definitely will be some nervous politicians out there because we will audit them.”
Gray said the ETU will “be looking to see if people have skeletons in their closet” and “if people are going to demand a certain benchmark … then let’s make sure all these Labor MPs meet that standard as well”. He went on to observe that various Labor politicians “will be there in three years’ time lined up outside the front of the ETU, Oliver Twist style, with their hands out, asking the ETU for more porridge”, adding: “It’s going to be a lean and hungry time for them.”
I love this spectacle. The unions will show the ALP who is boss.
I sort of agree with Tom R (although he may phrase it differently):
Setka goes nowhere – his members have benefited greatly from his aggressive defence of their rights in a very tough industry. So he won’t have to step down from the union and in fact he will become more popular among his members as he will be seen as a victim.
Albanese was stupid to try this on – particularly when the stated casus belli was likely a misrepresentation of an innocuous comment. Albo, who always had more bottle than brains, will suffer more damage from this incident than Setka.
Some of the millions the CFMMEU regularly donates to the ALP may be spent supporting the Greens candidate in Grayndler next election.
Even if Setka pleads guilty or is convicted of harassment this is unlikely to damage his union career. He has been convicted before. Being a thug isn’t a negative in the corrupt union/bikie cartel known as the CFMMEU.
Indonesian environmentalists are calling on Australia to tighten its regulation and enforcement of waste exports to foreign countries, claiming it is effectively `smuggling` huge amounts of plastic and waste paper supposedly sent for recycling.
((snip!!!)) Millions of kilograms of Australia`s waste has ended up in Indonesia`s East Java province. During 2018, imports of waste materials to East Java from Australia reached 52,000 tonnes, a 250 per cent increase from 2014.
@between shirtfronting and rubbish smuggling, our clowntown fools waste so much resources on Lost causes.
What a waste!
Yes, Albo seems to have f***ed himself. The militant thugs are compelled to teach him a lesson about who actually controls the ALP.
“once a member always a member of the green machine”
Funny you say that ol`trainy trainy, yet argue along with team shirtfront. Had the ground crew been aussie, yank, britannia or any other, they all would have smoked that plane. While there is the anti-rusky, lick yank arse, political aspect to this, there is also the insurance aspect. All those flights that flew thru the battlefield made their (and-passengers) insurance null and void for the rest of flight. Had any of them crashed on landing, say due to mechanical fault of wheel/s collapsing and plane breaking-up on runway, the insurers won`t pay-out, it was cancelled the minute they willfully entered the battlespace.
As an aside, if you wonder why troop flights cost the country/s as small fortune, its da special warzone insurance. You may be able to dig-up some numbers via britannia-air that did some of the troop carrying into bagdad, 1991? or 2003? not sure which? both?
What a waste! ha .. ha … ha .. . ha … you obviously don’t have any grand- children who will be the victims of your selfish “humour” – its not humor you dopey fkn computer!
Meanwhile the “government” stagnates and allows the economy to slip and slide into the abyss … economic morons … is its some kind of right wing political plan to achieve Hitler’s Neuordnung … ?
‘Cause we are slowly but surely slip sliding in that direction and like the German population in 1930 not seeing the signs … Sieg!
Absofknlutly astounding!
TB
You need to take a bex and lie down
Should people be dismissed from their employment for expressing a religious belief?
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/do-you-believe-homosexuals-go-to-hell-australian-christian-lobby-boss-grilled-on-the-sunday-project/news-story/658fa138683b792a2715bf240425895a
Should people be dismissed from their employment for expressing a religious belief?
Or vilifying … non-believers?
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they all would have smoked that plane.
More ignorance … ROE’s would deny that …
Once again … MalAir were dickheads to fly over …
In boltsvillage .. the council could have defied the MFB`s advice for many other city buildings.
“The fire brigade has got internal fire engineers in house that assess the risk,” Mr Bhasin said.
“Melbourne City Council does not. You should be following the advice issued by the MFB.
“If there`s a cladding fire there`s more than minor cuts and abrasions.
@some places have fire engineers `in-house`. Others have imbeciles. l know what we`ve got!!! (-: How about dem country fire volunteers yomm??? What they got in-house??? (-: (-: (-: (-:
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The Lacrosse blaze caused millions of dollars of damage to the 21-storey building, prompting apartment owners to launch legal action against the builder, LU Simon, in a bid to recoup more than $12 million in damages.
That claim for damages covered the cost for owners of replacing non-compliant cladding, damaged property, additional insurance premiums and “anticipated future losses”.
In a decision handed down in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) by Judge Ted Woodward on Thursday, LU Simon was ordered to pay more than $5.7 million to apartment owners.
And some of you bastards aren’t that young either!
Some of us not so young bastards aren’t showing the signs of decline others are either 😉
Should people be dismissed from their employment for expressing a religious belief?
I guess that depends on the conditions of their employment, don’t it!
Labor might not back the government’s tax cuts, apparently.
We’d all be much better off giving 100% of our earnings in tax and letting the government provide everything we need. Politicians and public servants already spend our money much more wisely than we ever could and are better at deciding what we need or should have.
That’s the absurd conclusion of the argument against tax cuts, anyway.
Gofundme just shut down Israel Folau’s page.
Prediction: An alternative bank account will be set up within hours.
I guess that depends on the conditions of their employment, don’t it
Or maybe the law, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs.
That’s the absurd conclusion of the argument against tax cuts, anyway.
Link?
Prediction: An alternative bank account will be set up within hours.
Along with all the cries of stifling religious freedoms and free speech. It’s almost like it was desinged to fail.
Or maybe the law, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs.
Yes, let priests fuck who Dog told them to fuck!
Link?
https://www.iep.utm.edu/reductio/
By the way, you can run that argument the other way if you like.
Would we be better off giving 0% of our money in tax and getting rid of government?
While I find that an attractive proposition, I’m not an advocate of anarchy. I just think government should be strictly limited to defence, foreign affairs, and a few other things.
To me the argument is about how big government should be, therefore how much tax we are required to pay. I prefer smaller government and lower tax. Others, particularly the Labor party, public servants, and everyone who lives and works in Canberra, do not.
So your argument is … an absurden
Thanks for the contribution tosy 😉
I prefer smaller government and lower tax. ,/i>
Then you must HATE the libs
https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2018/05/which-federal-government-taxed-aussies-the-most-infographic/
Thanks for that Tom. This is interesting too:
https://data.oecd.org/tax/tax-revenue.htm
A bit of hypocrisy ???????????
https://www.gofundme.com/notgodspresident
Thanks tosy, for ……………… well, participating 😉
Thanks wally for ……….. meaningless.
What is ‘hypocritical’ about it if I may?
#IzzyStupid seems to be getting a run 🙂
Then you must HATE the libs
https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2018/05/which-federal-government-taxed-aussies-the-most-infographic/
Not that garbage again. Tax/GDP can mean a number of things but mainly it is a measure of the health of the economy. During recessions tax/gdp drops because less people have jobs paying tax. During good times tax/GDP increases because more people have jobs paying tax.
Look at the picture at that link. Tax/gdp drops under Keating and Rudd because there were recessions going on and unemployment was rising. Tax/gdp increased under Howard not because he taxed more but because unemployment fell from 8% to 4% meaning hundreds of thousands of people had jobs and paying tax
hundreds of thousands of people had jobs and paying tax
I think you meant to say …. MORE tax 😉
you know, like “small taxing” grubmints do 😉
So you should
You Can Sue Media Companies Over Facebook Comments From Readers, Court Rules
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/dylan-voller-facebook-defamation
“I think you meant to say …. MORE tax ”
Yes and no. Howard got more tax revenue not because he taxed more but because the economy was booming. Unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard so hundreds of thousands of people started paying income tax. Before Howard they were paying nothing.
Just look under the heads of Keating and Rudd in that diagram you provided. There was a drop in tax/gdp. Was this because they dropped taxes or because taxation revenue dropped die to bad economic conditions?
It’s really getting tiresome …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/24/scott-morrison-flags-trump-style-economic-plan-in-pledge-to-cut-more-red-tape
… unfknbelievable …
oh …and god just texted me …
“The early signs of decline are probably already with me. And some of you bastards aren’t that young either!”
I feel your pain.
I’m sorry this is happening to youse. 🙄
No early signs for me… I’m still on the surf safari, 2 months and still going!
Unfortunately there’s no surf today. https://www.hastea.com/webcam-hd
Graham ‘Richo’ Richardson: “I’ve never met a taxpayer who wanted to pay more. I’ve only ever met a taxpayer who wanted to pay less.”
Good…
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-25/turkey-politics-mayoral-election-in-istanbul-rocks-erdogan/11242064
The historic city of Istanbul has fallen into Opposition hands for the first time in 25 years
‘$800 A MINUTE: Cash floods in for new $500k+ Folau fundraiser’
https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/australian-christian-lobby-hands-folau-100k-for-new-fundraiser/news-story/d2a3d37ac5266b57de42588fed282375
The new page:
https://www.acl.org.au/donate_izzy
(Good sNooze….He is Raisin’
ACL also emerges as a winner as it will now get access to the details of donors to their new site, building a more potent campaigning vehicle for Folau than GoFundMe would have.
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It’s really getting tiresome …
Nothing is new.)
Religions don’t deserve special treatment…
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/oct/19/acgrayling?CMP=share_btn_tw
“Religions don’t deserve special treatment…”
Yeah……………………. Nah !
“What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.”
-Salman Rushdie
It’s interesting that those who want to defend companies who use contracts to exploit workers, seem quite happy for religious nutjobs to ignore these same companies contracts when it suits them.
Is there a reason for this?
Tom R why are you so obsessed with contracts? It is not clear that Falou’s dismissal is authorised by the contract.
The reason for the court case is to determine the effect of the contract in the context of the applicable law. Those presuming the answer one way or the other may be in for a shock when the case is finally decided.
I enjoy refreshing the Donate Izzy page every now and then – $835k and counting . He seems to be raising about $1,000 per minute.
” for religious nutjobs “”
And that about says it all about your level of religious tolerance and the Right to Free Speech.
Besides if you dont believe in Hell then how the fuck can anyone but the Permanently Outraged Snowflake Brigade take offence.
If you would like to prove Hell actually exists then I’ll support you
Would you also like to provide a few examples of where some of us here “want to defend companies who use contracts to exploit workers,”
I’ll just wait here
$839 K now. Yes $1K per minute
The support for Folau is probably a reaction to the sense that political correctness has gone too far.
It’s similar to the reaction people have to the AFL policing raucous barracking.
It’s a reason the Libs were reelected.
Lots of people are tired of being unable to express their opinions.
I have plenty of tolerance for free speech, non whatsoever for religion. Isn’t that my free speech right?
As for contracts, the gofundme one was quite clear. He didn’t read it. Simple
As I’ve said, Folau’s beliefs aren’t logical. But they are religious.
The law specifically prohibits dismissal on the basis of religious beliefs. Therefore the ARU company policy about use of social media etc is unlikely to be an acceptable, fair reason for termination of his employment.
Dismissing an employee for taking sick leave, even following a warning for being absent due to illness, would be a similar prohibited dismissal.
“”……..non whatsoever for religion”
No……….you have no tolerance for someone to express their religious beliefs.
I don’t agree with Folau but I agree he has a right to express himself provided he does not advocate violence
Since I don’t believe Hell exists I just take the commonsense approach………I ignore him.
So please lay out logically why someone could take offence at being cast into a place that there is no evidence actually exists.
Trump’s latest accuser. There’s a slight chance she might have one or two marbles left.
Trump:”It never happened; she’s not my type.” 🤣😂
(As I’ve said, Folau’s beliefs aren’t logical. But they are religious.
Yes; the contract has been terminated; it’s not on-foot, in any shape or form, since Israel’s well-considered abandonment of an internal/contract-determined/determinative appeal process, and/or Israel was/is dismissed; hence the claim for remedies, especially damages, at the FWC, pursuant to statute, and not straight-up court, pursuant to contract; Folau’s ‘personal services’ contra(di)ction won’t be restored, no matter the ‘price’ of/for ‘unfair dismissal’; shocking, presumably, to no-one, and least of all to Israel’s appealingly-priced lawfare-wagers.)
donate_izzy: $1.1m at 5:59pm
TomR
You still have not admitted that the point of the graph you posted is wrong. Look at the large drop in tax/gdp under Rudds head. Was this because Rudd taxed less or because he got a drop in taxation revenue due the GFC?
Tax/GDP reflects the health of the economy because taxation revenue increases during good times and decreases during bad times
https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2018/05/which-federal-government-taxed-aussies-the-most-infographic/
“donate_izzy: $1.1m at 5:59pm”
Another $30K now and the ACL donation of $100k is not in that figure yet.
Rugby Australia must be looking on in horror at this as their strategy would have been to bleed him financially LOL
This is one big fuck you to Raelene Castle (“every sport’s body I touch turns to shit”) and Cameron Clyne
“This is one big fuck you to Raelene Castle (“every sports body I touch turns to shit”) and Cameron Clyne”
Izzy should give a shout-out to the GoFundMe hypocrites, Peter Fitzfuckwit and the moralising mongrels who want to criminalise normalcy.
“Lots of people are tired of being unable to express their opinions.”
Um, like would you happen to have any evidence to back that up?
Or do you mean, it’s because people are too afraid to say what’s really on their minds like “gay people are the fucking scum of the earth” or “black people are cunst” … That sort of thing..?
“This is one big fuck you to Raelene Castle”
I’d never heard of her before this, but she didn’t seem that impressive at the press conference. She must have impressed the ARU enough to land the job though.
“Lots of people are tired of being unable to express their opinions.”
Well they certainly seem not to admit to the pollsters who they are voting for.
You’ve got to hand it to ‘Teh Left’ though. They certainly know how to take control of an institution.
They’ve infested the AFL. ‘Choice’ is now an active campaigner on leftist issues. And the RACV board now has public transport advocates on it. It’s a car club, FFS! They should be arguing for roads, not trains and teams.
*trams, not teams.🙄
(Own Goals
l see teabags (self)scoring all over the place on this.)
Um, like would you happen to have any evidence to back that up?
Well… the AFL has people patrolling the football as “Behaviour Monitoring Officers” . People get thrown out for insulting umpires in a manner that would have been considered lame less than a decade ago.
A fooballer is dismissed from employment for expressing a religious belief. Lots of people rally to fund him even though he is comparatively well off. And even though his perceived slight was also directed to people like me.
The Morrison government is reelected.
I think people are tired of their traditional expressions and opinions being so closely monitored and scrutinised
Lots of people are tired of being unable to express their opinions.
I know the feeling …
As for contracts, the gofundme one was quite clear. He didn’t read it. Simple
Agreed …
Nor did he read the ARU contract – after being warned the first time (critical to his upcoming case BTW, as ToM would know if he really understands IR law) …
If Folau wants to be a lay preacher of fire and brimstone – fair enough – but expect his bullshit to be called out AND particularly his comments that put people at risk of self-harm (and suicide) … would Jesus really have wanted that … what happened to love thy neighbour … suffer the little children … but no, we ALL apparently go to HELL … well guess what Israel … driving young people and adults who believe in your god to suicide doesn’t give them hope … hypocrisy …
Folau is a football player a physically aggressive game (a substitute for the gladiators) and by evidence over these few months he’s certainly not meek … and guess who shall inherit the world … and there is no mention in the bible that they should be believers … just meek …
What is it with religious club members that they can’t understand that all people, ALL people were His creation … and that the two testaments are written by MEN … not one woman … sometimes it sickens me to be a man … when I see the cruelty to children and women around the world that my gender seems to perpetrate on the weak and vulnerable …
And Jesus said to give your wealth to the poor not steal it on a beggaring web site … nor use your position of power to steal from the weak and the needy … Jesus would be sickened just as the kids are who need the funds that you are sucking from them on your greedy websites … hypocrisy!
Imagine the same Facebook page from a Muslim … followed by agofundme … maybe I should start a gofundme for Agnostics!
And recall the furore here as I ridicule the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church … all I see here is bigotry and hypocrisy …
Is this about Israel or about preaching and promoting the christian beliefs to non-believers – it is sick and hypocritical … just because Israel and a few million others are brainwashed and deluded that doesn’t mean they they have the right to vilify others … in the name of a “loving” god …
Or just a massive new way to reap tithes …
Jesus wept!
I think people are tired of their traditional expressions and opinions being so closely monitored and scrutinised
What? … “traditional expressions and opinions” … “monitored” by whom? scrutinised” by whom? …. expand your usual vagueness?
Unions have tradition and opinions BTW … just to spice up your reply!
“A fooballer is dismissed from employment for expressing a religious belief”
A “religious belief”
I see. Please point out that bit in the bible where it says gay people are “going to hell.”
Er!
Nor did he read the ARU contract – after being warned the first time (critical to his upcoming case BTW, as ToM would know if he really understands IR law) …
I think that’s the point you miss TB. A contract cannot have a restraint that is against the law. Just as an employment contract cannot require an employee to attend work without exception (ie they cannot take sick days) … a contract cannot restrain an employee from expressing a religious belief . Even if there has been a warning, the discrimination is prohibited.
And i doubt whether religios beliefs are an inherent part of the role of a footballer.
Although I’m not entirely familiar with the contracts between “player” and their “employer” (like every other fucker on this site), I suspect there may be some such clause that says the player “shouldn’t bring the game into disrepute.”
What an outrageous condition of employment….!*
*sarcasm alert..
better off giving 0% of our money in tax and getting rid of government? .. I just think government should be strictly limited to defence, foreign affairs, and a few other things. .. To me the argument is about how big government should be, therefore how much tax we are required to pay. .. I prefer smaller government and lower tax.
That`s right. l worked near chapel street for a time. l can vouch for you that southYarra is a place where men are men and sheep are scared. The locals all live a logcabin lifestyle. Up every morning to chop firewood, light the potbelly, and draw water from stream or well for their morning coffee or tea. Trudge to work down muddy roads while avoiding neighbors tossing their nightsoil out the windows, which unfortunately gets washed indoors during downpours.
Not like those Pig-Ignorant snowflakes in moonee fcuking ponds, with their fancy drainage, sewer, paving, gas, electric and `piped` freshwater right into their homes, all provided by taxpayer funded level of govt. Fcuk l hate`em. Even AlanJones wouldn`t accept this level of snowflake living.
And if there is specific privision for employment protection on the basis of religious beliefs, it will be difficult to argue that quoting a mainstream religious text is “disreputable ”
Particularly when religious beliefs aren’t relevant to playing foitball.
19:47: $1,260,472
Quiet Australians have deep pockets, evidently. It must be all those Protestants and their pesky work ethic.
it will be difficult to argue that quoting a mainstream religious text is “disreputable
Seeing as you ignored me the first time I asked it, I’ll ask it again:
Please tell me where in the bible it says that gay people are going to hell.
I’m no expert so you’ll have to forgive me for googling the question.
I think there’s some explanation here…
https://www.livingout.org/the-bible-and-ssa
And yet Folau’s comments were also directed to Catholics, adulters, drunks, thieves… the majority of the population could have taken offence.
“all provided by taxpayer funded level of govt”
Or ratepayer level. The three R’s of local government: roads, rates and rubbish.
And this is brief and intelligent discussion about both sides.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/one-unresolved-legal-question-at-the-heart-of-israel-folaus-case/news-story/387b057b25ab325d35ea494b9ed087b3
“I think there’s some explanation here…”
Wrong on both counts. (unsurprisingly). 🙄
Who knows? But that’s a perspective from someone who is familiar with the bible.
Well as “someone who is familiar with the bible,” for the third time, please show me where it says “gay people are going to hell.”
‘I know the feeling …’
I’m sorry this is happening to you.
Did you read any of the link? What is your understanding of what it says?
It’s an explanation in plain English if several biblical texts. I’m not trying to justify or paraphrase it. It’s what they think.
21.07: $1,379,821
There appears to be plenty of people who are willing to put up their own cash to fund Folau’s legal challenge, in spite of his apparent personal wealth. Here’s an idea, maybe they see him as a symbol of what could happen to them.
No……….you have no tolerance for someone to express their religious beliefs.
I don’t agree with Folau but I agree he has a right to express himself provided he does not advocate violence
He can express himself all he wants, but on rugby Australia’s time.
Again, it’s not about his “free speech”, it’s about his allegedly breaching his contract. And it’s about him using a platform created by another entity that does not want him to use that platform to express those hateful views. He had already been warned, he knew that RA did not want him vilifying the LGBT community, but he went on ahead anyway. Against the explicit wishes of his employer, and more importantly, his profile raising entity.
And yet Folau’s comments were also directed to Catholics, adulters, drunks, thieves
Did you forget about the previous comments, most of which were directed solely to the gay community. This was just another in a long list of his hate speech, speesh which which means something, as was beautifully articulated on QandA last night.
https://junkee.com/qanda-sally-rugg-folau/210830
Quiet Australians have deep pockets
The nation voted for LGBT rights, strongly. The fact that miserly xtians suddenly flood open their tight arse wallets when murdoch tells them to says more about xtians than anybody else.
Especially for a numbnut who is going to launch a case about reading contracts, and can’t read a fucken T&C on a website himself.
21.07: $1,379,821
There appears to be plenty of people who are willing to put up their own cash to fund Folau’s legal challenge, in spite of his apparent personal wealth. Here’s an idea, maybe they see him as a symbol of what could happen to them.
And you don’t see the hypocrisy here … JC and the money lenders, springs to mind,
(I too was raised with the bible) … and questioned the BS from a CofE primary school age … it concerned my family considerably … and often didn’t help me … but BS is BS …
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I think that’s the point you miss TB. A contract cannot have a restraint that is against the law.
So the contract is void, you’re saying? That brings with it other issues for Folau … namely emoluments …
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it will be difficult to argue that quoting a mainstream religious text is “disreputable ”
“mainstream religious text”? Could you please quote chapter and verse?
BTW … what Folau wrote may have been acceptable in the 12 Century (or some of the Pacific Islands – I lived in PNG you may recall) … but trying to put the fear of gawd up the general population in Australia shows his fkn stupidity and or ignorance … and the arrogance of his powers as a lay preacher …
It does take the limelight of the government’s inability to manage a steadily decaying economy and rising threat of global conflict … when it all goes belly up the Liberals (from Menzies to Howard) have all thrown their hands up and tossed the problem to Labor … 2020 will be no different!
‘And you don’t see the hypocrisy here … JC and the money lenders, springs to mind’
Not really. Nobody is lending money. People are donating to (what they see as) a cause. In fact the only ones profiting were Gofundme with their 2.2% fee – before they caved to the twitter mob.
” before they caved to the twitter mob”
I think you meant to say, upheld their t&c’s 😉
Oh suck it up princess. Have you ever read any of the skyfairy stuff. All primates are going to hell. Not just the parading rainbow primates. The breeders that `enjoyed-it` are too. Personally I take great comfort that l won`t be locked-up for eternity with; xtians, hindus, joobs, scientologists, mormons, baptists, hillsong, slomo, mrRabbit and don`t forget the mooooooslims.
You read those t’s & c’s have ya?
Link?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/24/israel-folau-donations-page-taken-down-by-gofundme-for-breaching-terms-of-service
Never mind. Here’s the link.
https://au.gofundme.com/terms
Can you find anything other than point A.27 that could justify the shutting down of Folau’s account? I myself cannot.
“27. Any other activity that GoFundMe may deem in its sole discretion to be unacceptable.”
Tom, your link references point A.8 which states
“campaigns we deem, at our sole discretion, to be in support of, or for the legal defence of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity or serious disabilities or diseases;”
Folau is not alleged to have committed any crime. Except maybe an Orwellian thought crime.
“and can’t read a fucken T&C on a website himself.”
and…
So the contract is void, you’re saying?
I think the provisions that relate to expressiin of religious beliefs are unable to be legally enforced. Is that clear?
It’s not a matter of agreeing or not, it’s a matter of whether he has a legal right to express a religious view. And I don’t think an employment contract can enforce this on a rugby union player.
By the way, who drafted thus law? Perhaps blame them.
23.12: $1,513,401
For perspective about whether an employment contract that seeks to restrain an employment right is enforceable-
Your contract restrains you from
expressing a religious beliefbeing absent from work for any reason. You were warned about this last time youexpressed a religious beliefwere absent from work.You have again
expressed a religious beliefbeen absent from work. Therefore your employment is terminated.l see nothing but silver-lining on this. lt is skyfairy-teabags-v corporate-teabags. My favorite type of self destruction. Can corporate-teabags impose `marketing` conditions on rockstar earners? And just how far can corporates reach into a workers life, once the worker has clocked-off? Can the nrl win and keep current corporate contract advantages? Can Falou win so that we can `all` go skyfairy, david koresh style, with free speech prefixed with; The SkyFairySaid .. .. so that folks like me are no longer restrained?
“so that folks like me are no longer restrained?”
God forbid.
(Particularly when religious beliefs aren’t relevant to playing foitball.
Or anything(s) really; ‘cept routinely breaching a host of liber(-)al(l)-democratic/’social contract’ norms; which possibly is why ‘exceptions’ have been made ‘customarily’, if the State (finds) need(s) to (un)involve itself at all; but ‘zealots’ will have their unquestionably-positive, catholic-theocratic ‘traditional’ (public-)private legislations’ primacies recognised and endorsed, with a co(n)vert-latent-patent view to being enforced, by the State, as against any and all (other(ed) community members, and as against all other public legislations, in all places and at all times, including on grounds elucidated in very same anti-discrimination provisions (possibly some even rehearsed in contracts engrossing codes of conducts rehearsing generally-prevailing public legislations, to which (un)particular employees (like unparticular employers, and unparticular patrons, and an unparticular State), perversely, are expected to adhere, if they are to (be seen to) retain ‘lawful’ employ); which anti-discrimination provisions public-facing legal-personalities also are (and are not!?) to recognise: verily, ‘repent’ ye unrighteous, for (heaven-and/or-)hell is brought upon you; by the I-am-whatever-I-say-I-am(-and-I-say-I-am-the-inheritor-of-a-divine-right-of-king(s)dom)-demigods other(ed)wise (un)recognised in your midsts; or, something(s) like that.)
Free speech warriors don’t agree with sole discretion. Unsurprising.
Also, those who are telling us that nothing is known until he has his day in court, are also telling us that RA had no right to sack him.
The same lot who defend a corporations right to block unions from unsafe worksites
jeebus, he’s lucky he doesn’t play in the Ivi League
Well I’ve just been out for dinner and had a few reds. It’s now summer!
Naturally the conversation turned to… “the work of the devil”
So we discussed some updating of things that are “the work of the devil”… in my opinion the best suggestion was – pumpkins
God forbid.
LOCK HIM UP!
Folau is not alleged to have committed any crime.
But he could definitely be seen to be “in support of” such a thing. At their discretion (which they have used before for a certain bigoted baker in the US)
oh, indubitably yomm, indubitably
Is now a good time to remind peeps that workers get sacked for wearing stickers on their helmets?
Maybe the union should have followed through and fought the dismissal all the way to the High Court. But…
1. What was the case?
2. Was the employee actually dismissed?
3. Did the union argue that it was adverse action regarding a protected employment right?
4. Was the case settled?
5. Was it about the sticker or the wearing of an approved uniform/protective safety clothing?
I was just pointing out how silent the “free speech” warriors were in those instances yomm
For yomm
https://www.fcbgroup.com.au/news/the-sticky-issue-of-union-logos/
“But he could definitely be seen to be “in support of” such a thing.”
Comma placement is critical in that clause. And somewhat ambiguous, perhaps.
And somewhat ambiguous, perhaps.
As ambiguous as “GAYS ARE GOING TO HELL”?
10.04: $1,694,846
In fact the only ones profiting were Gofundme with their 2.2% fee – before they caved to the twitter mob.
“https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Gofundme+fee”
Actually it’s 2.9% plus $0.30 per donation
Remember this: “The decent thing to do is support ,marriage equality. Nothing will change other than more couples can get married. You are just doing the right and decent thing.”
And we did. And then tick … tick … tick … the Gaystapo unleashed a cavalcade of cuntery aimed at demonising Christians and anyone else they disagree with. And God help anyone who dares criticise their jackboot tactics.
“SHUT UP AND BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE YOU EVIL CHRISTIAN!!! OFF TO COURT WITH YOU!!!”
“SAYING GOD CREATED THEM MAN AND WOMAN IS HAAAAAATE SPEECH!!! OFF TO THE TRIBUNAL WITH YOU!!!”
“AND A 10 YEAR OLD BOY IN DRAG PERFORMING NEXT TO NAKED ADULT DRAG QUEEN ID PERFECTLY NORMAL YOU CRAZED GAY-HATER!!! YOUR EMPLOYER MUST SACK YOU IMMEDIATELY”
and that’s before we even get to the Gender Nazis’ school grooming programs.
“I think you meant to say, upheld their t&c’s”
Yeah……………Folau was refused a service based on what he believes
Kind of like the cake makers who refuse to provide a cake for a gay wedding but hey their t&c’s dont count in Snowflake Lefty land
Triggs:
Stephen Jones, Labor MP:
Splatter you beat me to the cake
Oh my God I’m agreeing with Gillian Triggs ?
Someone wake me from this nightmare
You really are cray-cray-crazy when Gillian Triggs makes more sense than you. Seek help now, my friends, before it is too late!
Those two will be banished from the tribe in 3, 2, 1 …
Triggs – It’s foolish and disproportionate to prevent him from preaching something that he believes is a matter of religious expression
I think the “disproportionate” bit is what a court is likely to find.
And the only reason we are at this point is because the stupid gay leprechaun from Qantas wanted Folau’s scalp to show his diminishing fan base that he is suitably woke.
The push by corporates to take on these type of social issues has to stop. They (in the woke marketing areas) do not necessarily represent their shareholders or staff or customers. Therefore they should shut the fuck up
Now ANZ Bank are in on the act.
As a shareholder who the fuck are they to decide how my money or any other shareholder’s money should be spent.
What fucking idiot in their “Woke” department thinks I hold their views on Folau or his wife ?
11.04: $1,735,011
Momentum is slowing. It’s down to $1,000 every minute and a half.
Waiting on the phone to ANZ now to close my account.
Well the ANZ facebook page is now on fire. Look under the Gay Mardi Gras thread
https://www.facebook.com/ANZAustralia/
Fancy a bank lecturing people about morality LOL
Account closed super moves soon.
Why don’t these big institutions just stick to their core business and leave politics and social commentary to experts like us?
(It always amused me how a ‘company’ could have an opinion on social matters – or anything. The CEO and members of the board can have opinions. So can the staff. But a company?)
Also not sure if a company (or a sporting organisation) can have ‘values’. Code of conduct – absolutely. But values, maybe not.
3 cricketers use a piece of sandpaper on a ball and get a 12 month ban.
1 rugby player quotes from the bible and gets a life ban from Rugby and the NRL.
Yes very proportional
1 rugby player abuses an entire segment of society simply because of their sexuality, and gets dropped from a team. After being asked not to by his employer.
I recall someone getting run out of the country for putting out a tweet on Anzac day, and another losing his job at the ABC for similar.
Where were you all then? Oh yea, shoe, meet other foot 😉
Meanwhile, Setka pleads guilty
To a domestic argument! WTF!
So, the family who complained about being hounded to the brink of a marriage breakup because of who he is, has that brink splashed across the pages and used as a political weapon.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-26/cfmeu-boss-john-setka-gets-good-behaviour-bond/11247432
I’m sorry this is happening to John Setka.
You forgot the sarc tag Tony 😉
I knew you’d work it out.🙃
14.18: $1,830,666
This will be at 2 million by tonight.
That 666 won’t have escaped anyone’s attention. It’s a coded message to you-know-who. That’s right, satanists. Don’t fuck with the might of the ACL!
(There are deeper underlying differences between Christians over the extent to which Christianity can be open to exploring new forms of itself while staying true to its founding message.
Recognising this would involve a serious discussion of the diverse theological meanings of tradition, culture and ethics.
No, Geoff; the multi(various-mono)cultural Righteous, seek, nay, demand, that the State (be recruited to) intervene against any impingement on their ‘tradition(al (mis(understanding and prejudice)s’, by anyone, including (shunnable/’hell’-able) members of their own (and others’, and the liberal-democratic, multicultural State’s) wayward flocks; but especially depredations by Leftie Snowflakes and the Gaystapo, from whom they need especial protections, and very special legislations, to render their ultramundane authoritarian tendencies beyond reproach; in, erm, civil society.)
“………..and another losing his job at the ABC for similar.”
“remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these ‘brave’ Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan”.
Sacked for using the employee linked SBS twitter account. He was given the opportunity to delete the tweets but he refused.
Folau used his own personal twitter account.
And that idiot who said Islam was kind to women or words to that effect left of her own accord.
(And somewhat ambiguous, perhaps.
Indeed; maybe thank Wally’n’Splatters’n’Shits’n’Giggles for their nominal endorsements in ‘support’ of the ‘campaign(s)’, as evidenced by (proposed) underwritings of it, prayhaps? [ Also, there’s a remote possiblity of some issue with t3h h4x0rs playin’ mother-of-millions/army-of-one, or so the ACL said, which collaterally might have resulted in g4m3 0v3r].)
He was given the opportunity to delete the tweets but he refused.
Were his facts incorrect?
And it was his personal twitter account, only linked to sbs because that’s where he worked
So, what’s the difference, apart from one being factually accurate?
“only linked to sbs because that’s where he worked”
So is Folau linked ?
Whether his facts were completely correct we will never know. However you make yourself a big target when you insult all because of just a few.
Arguably a political journalist on a publicly funded national broadcaster providing contentious political views has a greater professional obligation to impartiality than a footballer posting personal religious views.
They’re the facts.
Nothing contentious about it, it happened, which was what he was saying. Some parts of history just want to be covered up.
So yomms defense is rugby players are stupid?
If you’re on the public teat (particularly as a journalist) you have some professional responsibilities about being circumspect (particularly on days of national significance)
If you’re a footballer for a non government, nfp organisation I’m not sure you have the same professional responsibilities.
The individual SBS journo should not have got the chop. He did no damage to that organisation whatsoever. Everyone knows SBS and the ABC are, at core, a bunch of lefties appropriating public assets to their lefty politics. Which is why they all need to be sacked and those organisations need to be closed down.
$1.9m and growing.
“Why don’t these big institutions just stick to their core business and leave politics and social commentary to experts like us?”
LOL!!
Kevin Sheedy, former AFL coach, will be in trouble with Qantas, ANZ, probably the AFL… he said Israel Folau is “nice” and “entitled to his opinion”
That’s a lot more than Folau’s wife said, and she got into strife!!
Sheedy should stop this hate speech NOW!!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/nice-folau-gave-up-money-never-made-anti-gay-slurs-in-afl-sheedy-20190626-p521lr.html
Victorian government bans mobile phones in state schools.
Yeah, that’ll work. 🙄
https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/11246414
5. Was it about the sticker or the wearing of an approved uniform/protective safety clothing?
Because the integrity of the safety helmet can be affected … nothing to do with the “message” …
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And we did. And then tick … tick … tick … the Gaystapo unleashed a cavalcade of cuntery aimed at demonising Christians and anyone else they disagree with. And God help anyone who dares criticise their jackboot tactics.
Er, I think Folau “demonised” gays (and a few others – probably a lot of others) … not your twisted version …
What if the vilifying came from a Muslim football player? There are quite a few of those in all codes … and quite a few gays BTW!
Note: Hypocrisy grade 3 … upper case and bold Shrill grade 10 …
From the most aggressive and insulting commenter this blog has ever seen … hilarious!
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Your super is with ANZ??????????????????? Credence 0
And how emotional closing your bank and super accounts …
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Why don’t these big institutions just stick to their core business and leave politics and social commentary to experts like us?
Yeah, like they did during the last election … duh!
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Yes very proportional
But the cricketers won’t do it again … will Folau?
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I knew you’d work it out.🙃
I’m worried about you ToSY … seriously … lalalalalalala
BTW, you’re slow off the mark as usual re 666 … it’s more probably 616 … more fkn myth legend and human BS
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Folau used his own personal twitter account.
Open to the world! He is either a footballer or a fucking preacher …
So is Folau linked ?
Yep, its called a contract of employment!
Would a priest’s appointment be terminated if he (oddly enough only a “he” qualifies) if he said that people who do not believe in heaven or hell are probably right and probably god doesn’t really exist … would he be in breach of his covenant with the church …
gawd forbid the present Prime Preacher decides to do a Folau … oh, wait “coal is good for you” … talk about craven images …
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Arguably a political journalist on a publicly funded national broadcaster providing contentious political views has a greater professional obligation to impartiality than a footballer posting personal religious views.
They’re the facts.
1. Contentious political views – that’s actually his job … and they were factual BTW … read some military history
2. They are not just personal religious views … “I believe in God” is a personal view … “you will all go to hell” is a statement of abuse … always has been and always will be in the christian world … deny it at your peril … its a threat and a method of blackmail to believe in the religion that poorly educated people are forced to believe …
3. It’s not a fucking fact! Prove God exists …
Everyone knows SBS and the ABC are, at core, a bunch of lefties appropriating public assets to their lefty politics.
Grow up …
Would a priest’s appointment be terminated if he (oddly enough only a “he” qualifies) if he said that people who do not believe in heaven or hell are probably right and probably god doesn’t really exist … would he be in breach of his covenant with the church …
Are you familiar with the exemptions? Obviously not.
It’s also interesting that you consider a corporate policy to have a higher authority than the actual law.
And how is it the role of a publicly funded journalist, bound by the charter of the ABC , to personally tweet contentious and provocative comments in a day of respectful acknowledgement of sacrifice in the service of the country?
It’s just a slightly different context to a footballer sending a personal religious view.
I’m worried about you ToSY … seriously … lalalalalalala
Haha! Fear not, TB. All’s well here.
How ‘bout you though? How’s the blood pressure? You sound a bit
manicworked up.BTW, you’re slow off the mark as usual re 666 … it’s more probably 616 … more fkn myth legend and human BS
Great criticism TB. You really skewered me there. I’ll be much more careful with my numbers of the beast in future.
Studies have found that the mental health of LGBTQI+ people is amongst the poorest in Australia.
Between 24-36% of LGBTQI+ people filled the criteria for a major depressive disorder in 2005, which is 4-6 times greater than the general population.
For transgender women (male to female), this statistic reaches almost 60%.
55% of young LGBTQI+ women, and 40% of young LGBTQI+ men are likely to experience psychological distress, compared with 18% and 7% in the general population respectively.
The LGBTQI+ community are almost twice (31%) as likely to experience anxiety disorders.
A Beyondblue study conducted in 2011 showed 80% of the LGBTQI+ community experienced an anxiety attack within the previous year (Rosenstreich, 2013 ).
LGBTQI+ Australians also have the highest rates of suicide in Australia, with 20% of transgender and 16% of lesbian, gay and bisexual Australians having suicidal ideations.
A UK study found that 84% of trans participants wanted to complete suicide at some point in their life, and alarmingly, 50% of the Australian transgender community had attempted to do so.
Same-sex attracted Australians have suicidal ideations that are 14 times higher than the general population, and six times higher amongst younger LGBTQI+ members.
The average age of suicide is just 16.
Just thought I’d mention that while you’re all celebrating the “success” of Israel Folau’s fundraising campaign and mocking the “gay leprechaun from Qantas” etc etc… After all, it’s really Folau who’s the victim in all this, right…?
Well that’s a buzz kill.
Anyhoo:
20.31: $2,002,900
(might have resulted in g4m3 0v3r .. (un)plausible look over there at sporty and skyscary may dis(tract) mass(es) from (in)ept local power wreckage from trade piece(talks) among super power(s) while being dragged arseback(wards) into tooled(up) friendly(s) some(wear) near teh(ran).)
Is expressing a religious belief a reason for dismissal from employment?
Haha Bagz! If you’ve gonna use someone else’s shtick at least do it correctly. Ivi’s trick is you can remove the bracketed letters and the sentences still make sense. Well, as much sense as ivi’s sentences ever make. But let’s try doing that to your ‘effort’ shall we?
plausible look over there at sporty and skyscary may dis mass from ept local power wreckage from trade piece among super power while being dragged arseback into tooled friendly some near teh.
My apologies. It actually makes more sense than your usual comments.
“Is expressing a religious belief a reason for dismissal from employment?”
Consider the following scenario:
A company has organised a morning tea for a staff member to celebrate their birthday.
That staff member happens to be openly gay.
The Manager makes a small speech and presents the staff member with a gift.
Another staff member stands up and declares that “gay people are going to hell.”
In this scenario, it would be sufficient grounds for that staff member to be given an official warning or quite possibly face termination. Naturally other circumstances would be considered such as whether this was a one-off event or if something similar had occurred in the past.
From what I understand, Folau had been “counselled” about this sort of thing in the past so his termination shouldn’t really have come as a surprise.
“After all, it’s really Folau who’s the victim in all this, right…?”
Reb IS Sally Rugg
Another staff member stands up and declares that “gay people are going to hell.”
I think there’s a difference between expression of a religious belief, which only paraphrases biblical text, and wilfully prococative, disruptive behaviour.
Religious beliefs are protected from discrimination in employment in exactly the same way as sexual orientaion and age.
How would you like it if a football club councelled a gay player- “our demographic is very heterosexual, our major sponsor is Ford V8 Performance Vehicles. Would you please refrain from your public comments about your sexual orientation. It’s really bad with our sponsor and we’ll dismiss you if you continue
I think that would also be in breach of the law
The trouble is reb, your senario seems to have the workforce `clocked-on` in one form or another. Skyfairy-boy was definitely `clocked-off` from the nrl job.
Or –
“Here at Pacific Airlines our target customers are the young, and our customer service staff have to be able to connect with them. You’re too old to be able to do this, so unless you can become younger, we will have to terminate your employment. This is your first warning”
“Yep, its called a contract of employment!”
Oh good so you have seen it. Could you post the contents on here
Thanks
I’m waiting
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
That was by this guy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
Fuck youse all.
“Is expressing a religious belief a reason for dismissal from employment”
No, but targeting one group of people over a period of time, after being warned about it, is. Trying to hide behind religion is just pathetic.
Like I said, others have lost their jobs for presenting facts, which is pretty much their job description, but the free speech warriors were to busy running them out of the country to care.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/27/with-israel-folau-the-church-demands-a-kind-of-free-speech-that-keeps-gays-in-the-firing-line
Folau used his own personal twitter account.
So did the SBS journo. But, a journo’s job is to talk about these things, not go with the accepted story. The accepted story does not countenance the fact that Diggers are not always angels.
But vilify a group and hide behind religion, yea, that’s all Kosher. (unless those people were Jews I guess)
There’s one rule for them and another for the rest of us. Folau is free as a footballer to vilify homosexuals without losing his job but were he coaching rugby at a Sydney Anglican school and tweeting approval of gays it might well see him shown the door.
Here’s another simple principle: if you are demanding rights for yourself which you won’t extend to others, that’s not freedom. It’s privilege.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/27/with-israel-folau-the-church-demands-a-kind-of-free-speech-that-keeps-gays-in-the-firing-line?CMP=twt_a-sport_b-gdnausport_c-au_g-3
Our priorities, and our laws, are fucked up.
Then they came for filthy rich accountants live in Sydney’s North shore— and they said:
“It’s okay boys, he’s one of us.”
Snap rebbie Rugg
Then they came for filthy rich accountants live in Sydney’s North shore— and they said: “It’s okay boys, he’s got a nice Leather Jacket”
My only comment on Israel Falou.
DRUNKS
HOMOSEXUALS
ADULTERERS
LIARS
FORNICATORS
THIEVES
ATHIESTS
IDOLATORS
Out of the 8 accusations above which is the ONLY FUCKING ONE THAT IS NOT A CHOICE BUT RATHER THE WAY A PERSON IS BORN.
How on earth so called fucking Christians can claim that a person chooses homosexuality, chooses to be vilified, chooses to live under stress and pressure, chooses to face disownment from their family, chooses to be in the highest suicide bracket, chooses to be in a group that is vilified and hated by most religions, chooses the most difficult sexual orientation, simply astounds me. They are brain washed brain dead cretins and Don’t give me that fucking love the sinner hate the sin shit either.
Also why the obsession with the Old Testament, there is a fucking New Testament in the bible that updates and dismisses most of this vile hatred shit.
I was raised a strict catholic and would have attended more masses and ceremonies than every single one of you on this site, guaranteed !!!, as I was 5 houses from the church from the age of 7 being raised by a fire and brimstone catholic grandmother. The church held 2 masses a day and 3 on Sundays at that time, along with all the 100s of other religious ceremonies.
I now think it is the biggest load of horse shit invented by witch doctors to explain away what could not be explained until science came along.
Yet I still accept others want to be religious, but not when that person attacks people as a result of the way they were born.
To all the arseholes claiming freedom of fucking speech and religious beliefs I will accept you can choose to be utter religious nut job arseholes on 7 of those things but not on Homosexuals.
You have a CHOICE to be religious and even the fucking laws and governments have protected you for centuries to have that right a person does NOT HAVE A CHOICE to be Homosexual and yet it has only been legal for a few years.
If you cannot tell the difference between 7 of those words and the 8th then you too have been brainwashed to reject reality over opinion.
Shane, great to see you back …
For me the Folau Fizzle has become a “sticks and stones” moment …
… but the religious hypocrisy continues … and so will my ridicule of hypocrisy by all organised religions … that’s secular freedom of speech BTW … for those who like to call me a “bigot” …
Seems religious beliefs are gauged by how much money you can con out of the believers …
More evidence of hypocrisy (deception and secrecy) …
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/donations-to-israel-folau-surge-past-2-million-on-australian-christian-lobby-fundraising-site/news-story/97cfaf703398c752bc6d7410da4e4ba8
How much will they donate to veteran service men and women now struggling on the streets?
Compassion … my arse …
I think there’s a difference between expression of a religious belief, which only paraphrases biblical text, and wilfully prococative, disruptive behaviour.
Link please … I don’t recall a “text” that said that?
Out of the 8 accusations above which is the ONLY FUCKING ONE THAT IS NOT A CHOICE BUT RATHER THE WAY A PERSON IS BORN.
Yet I still accept others want to be religious, but not when that person attacks people as a result of the way they were born.
NAILED IT PRECISELY!!!
shane, WELL BLOODY SAID
Link please … I don’t recall a “text” that said that?
I think you will find that is Lev.15: 19-24
oops, that’s about secret womens business, my bad
try Leviticus 25:44
oops, that’s the bit about how slavery is cool
How about Exodus 21:7.
oops, slaves again.
Lev. 11:10
nope, shellfish is the baddy here
Lev. 11:6-8
nope again, something about don’t touch footies (awkward)
It is there somewhere, but it’s in amongst other gems like killing your daughter if she’s raped etc
https://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/01/03/dear-dr-laura-why-cant-i-own-canadians-slaves
Funny, nothing about swearing to your wife when you are having a relationship breakdown that is splashed across the front pages with titillating pleasure. reminds me of another time and place, hey Slipper.
Out ” of the 8 accusations above ” Disagree Shane.
ATHIESTS, No matter how hard l try, l just could never believe fact free nonsense, never could, not a choice either!
FORNICATORS, All primates, just like all critters, have the urge, not a choice.
HOMOSEXUALS, rainbows, @tick @agree.
DRUNKS, alcoholics, illness, medical.
THIEVES, cleptomania, illness.
LIARS, Unsure, is there a lying mania or psychosis?
ADULTERERS @pass @not married.
IDOLATORS, Does this mean idol worshipping. Like a cross on top of the club-house. Or hanging around ones neck.
@-l`d say at least 3 of them are not `choice` and 2, possibly 3 are illness. And when we take it from the zealots point of view, anything less than a tea-totaller is a drunk.
“… and so will my ridicule of hypocrisy by all organised religions …”
Seriously, who gives a fuck? Your ridicule might be worth reading if your vestigial sense of humour was as fully fledged as of your sense of your own importance!
For someone with such a fine tuned sense of humor, you sure get worked up a lot Wally’n’Splatters’n’Shits’n’Giggles 😉
Teabag
Sorry but never seen a person born a Atheist, Fornicator, Drunk, Thief, Liar, Adulterer or Idolator. All of those, even if they become an illness later in life, are a result of a persons exposure after they have been born. They are NOT born that way.
If a picture is worth a thousand words ………….?
Tony, my favourite Eminem song is by the sublime Pet Shop Boys:
pet shop boys are drips
You’re being a bit harsh, Tom R. Eminem is a great lyricist but so is Neil Tennant. Overall PSB are my favourite band group especially compared to ageing juvenile metalheads like Brucie Dickinson & his arthritic mates.
yea, but I wish I got arthritic like this 😉
Just read Dickinson’s Wikipedia entry. What an interesting guy! As a fellow boarder I can relate:
“Dickinson was expelled from Oundle for participating in a prank in which he urinated in the headmaster’s dinner.”
Also a man of many talents:
“Outside his career in music, Dickinson is well known for his wide variety of other pursuits. Most notably, he undertook a career as a commercial pilot for Astraeus Airlines, which led to a number of media-reported ventures such as captaining Iron Maiden’s converted charter aeroplane, Ed Force One, during their world tours. Following Astraeus’ closure, he created his own aircraft maintenance and pilot training company in 2012, Cardiff Aviation. Dickinson presented his own radio show on BBC Radio 6 Music from 2002 to 2010, and has also hosted television documentaries, authored novels and film scripts, created a successful beer with Robinsons Brewery and competed at fencing internationally.”
And obviously he is a very sensible chap:
“In an interview with Sarah Montague for BBC’s HARDtalk in 2012, Dickinson agreed with Montague’s description of himself as a conservative and a eurosceptic.”
yep, Bruce is a very conservative rebel 😉
Hi Splats. Yes, Eminem is okay but that’s just the one version of that song I chose. Here is a longer 5 minute ‘movie’ version without him.
“……………..person does NOT HAVE A CHOICE to be Homosexual”
That’s correct.
But YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE to ignore the rantings of what you might call a “religious nut job”
just like everyone else on Folau’s list have.
And if you don’t believe in Hell how the fuck can you possibly be offended ?
You don’t have to believe what someone says to be fucking offended for fucks sake.
Most things are offensive because they are not true for fucks sake.
Everyone else on his list was not born with their affliction, maybe that’s why they chose to ignore the rantings, you seem unable to comprehend that.
I do ignore the rantings of what ARE!! religious nut jobs not what I MIGHT CALL religious nut jobs.
But when the fuckers have a go at someone for something that is beyond a persons control it is fucking OFFENSIVE to me. Its called standing up for what is FUCKING RIGHT, NOT FUCKING RELIGIOUS ARSEHOLES WHO ARE PROTECTED BY MORE FUCKING LAWS THAN ANYONE ELSE, PAY NO FUCKING TAX AND STILL FUCKING WANT TO HAVE THEIR FUCKING RULES AND BELIEFS FORCED ON EVERYONE ELSE ALONG WITH THE RIGHT TO BE DISCRIMINATING CUNTS AND SACK PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF THEIR SO CALLED FUCKING WONDERFUL RELIGION.
Wot Shane said at 9:08am!!
Why do you all assume that homosexuality is not a choice? It might be a little more complicated then that.
I remember in the early eighties Denis Altman, one of the pioneers of gay rights, was strongly of the view that it was a choice and that the opposite view was demeaning as it denied agency to homosexual people.
I can also understand the other point of view. I had a friend explain to me at the time that for him that his orientation was what it was, not a choice at all. If it was a matter of choice then it certainly wasn’t a choice he would make given the legal, social and familial consequences of that choice.
The advantage of the “no choice” position is that it licenses hate-filled loons like shaneinqld to show their inner fascist, spew their bile and bully anyone who disagrees with them.
And what he said again at 12:43pm!!!
But YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE to ignore the rantings of what you might call a “religious nut job”
You’d have to move to bloody Siberia to miss all this. When the ‘Quiet Australian’s have front page run of every bloody news outlet and shock jock, there’s no bloody missing it.
How about we have a rule that no one can say anything that anyone else finds offensive?
“Why do you all assume that homosexuality is not a choice?”
Ok, please tell us all about the time you decided to be straight?
Here is a story from Sydney Morning Herald AGENDA Wednesday, July 14, 1993.
It raises a few of the issues under discussion here. I often wonder how it turned out for Hector? There may be a clue in the last sentence.
“Hector Padilla, 42, of Burwood, says he has beaten his spirit of homosexuality. Hector, who now takes a “leadership role” in the Grace Tabernacle Christian Centre of the United Pentecostal Church, spent 15 years completely absorbed in the “gay life”. His wife of two years and 3 months, Dianne, 34, said there is no doubt that Hector was now “cured.”
“Obviously there are a lot of adjustments,” she said, “but God helps us through.” Hector said: “I felt no attraction at all to women. Even thinking about sexual relationships with women was something totally out of my mind. I couldn’t think how to do it. “Before we got married I said to Dianne, ‘I have never been with a woman’. It came to be something normal.”
Hector and Dianne are now wanting to start a family. “We are just waiting to see when Dianne will fall pregnant. Before, I didn’t even like children. However, now I have this really great desire to have them.” Originally from Mexico, Hector explained: “Ever since I can remember, I knew there was something wrong with me.”
Eventually he reached a point where he believed that if he could not stop being gay, then he would prefer to be dead. The final straw was the advice of a pastor in the United States who told him that the solution for people in his situation was masturbation. “After hearing this I felt like killing myself,” he said.
Four years ago he found himself listening to a preacher who had been “cured” of homosexuality. “So I ran to the front,” Hector said. “The pastor put a hand on my head and a hand on my stomach. I thought he was going to say a simple prayer, but he started to rebuke the spirit of homosexuality that was in me. As he was praying I literally felt as though something broke loose in me – I’m not making this up. I knew I was free from the slave of the unclean spirit that was in me.” Hector said it was “very hard in Sydney because the gay people are really proud of their homosexuality. But they really do need Jesus.” He now works in a greengrocery in Darlinghurst, with its large homosexual community.”
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/reformed-homosexulasformer-homosexulas-hector-padilla-and-his-wife-picture-id1080121438?s=2048×2048
How about we have a rule that no one can say anything that anyone else finds offensive?
Fuck OFF!
Splatter
Really how have I bullied anyone. It is no choice because I know because i am fucking gay.
I had to live a lie for 40 years due to my up bringing and religious arseholes and bigotry and family pressure.. I speak from actually being one you idiot. It IS NOT a choice. Do you think I would choose to be gay with the upbringing I had. Honestly you fucktards who have absolutely no idea really shit me. Facts fly out the window because some religion says something else that it is a lifestyle and a choice. There is no doubt, there is no maybe, there is no what if. You are FUCKING BORN THAT WAY.
Your utter shit about anything anyone finds offensive is such a default bullshit of words by dickheads who are trying to defend the indefensible. There is offensive to be laughed at, offensive to be ignored and offensive that results in suicides, self harm, self mutilation, lack of self worth, loss of employment. Pity you seem unable to determine the degrees of offensive words and deeds.
If we are all born in Gods image which is what Christians believe then why the fuck was I and around 10% of the human beings born gay?.
“”Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn’t exist in any declaration I have ever read. If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people”
-Salman Rushdie
Or in other words grow a set snowflake !
Overall, I tend to agree with you on the choice issue, reb. But I also think their are complications. It’s not one rule for all. And I don’t think I should delve into my personal situation but it is not as “straight” forward as you might think.
My point was that, between Altman and now, as the politics changed so the theory changed.
I think the rate of progress on these issues from illegality and social stigma in the eighties to general acceptance now reflects a rapid change in social attitudes.
My issue is that with each advance their is a frenzied doubling down on social conservatives to the point now that, instead of letting things work themselves out to their inevitable conclusion, the hard-line activists want to immediately destroy those they disagree with.
In our society it is a fairly major move to have in the space of a generation or two a total rejection of Christianity which has underpinned society for almost two millennia. I would favour a more gradual change.
“Those who are determined to be ‘offended’ will discover a provocation somewhere. We cannot possibly adjust enough to please the fanatics, and it is degrading to make the attempt.”
― Christopher Hitchens
The Lefties just want to censor people with political correctness. That’s why people who did not agree with Folau still donated to his legal fund
The Lefties just want to censor people with political correctness
yea like bolt and the dog botherer, who preach free speech, but are quick on the draw to sue people who upset them.
I have a set fuckwit !!! its arseholes like you that are making the world such a hate filled place for anyone other than what you accept as the right way for anything !!
There are different degrees of Offensive.
There you go fucking lefties, honestly you mob of pricks cannot argue a case without resorting to left and right. Argue the fucking case for its worth. It is NOT a left or right issue you twit !!! The only ones I know who are trying to silence anyone are the religious arseholes silencing their hidden gay congregation and staff with the idle threat of loss of employment, now there’s a censorship issue for you!!
Was the catholic church a bunch of lefties when it was silencing all opposition 500 years ago?. Was the catholic church a bunch of lefties when it censored what could be said?
As for donating to Folau, how do we know whether it was simply 3 churches donating all the funds, or a couple of rich sympathisers. Could be any combination. If you think the ACL are telling the truth then I have a bridge for sale for you.
FFS.
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Nail, meet head. Nice one reb
Speaking of “free speech”
“Overall, I tend to agree with you on the choice issue, reb. But I also think their are complications.”
I couldn’t give a fuck whether you agree with me or not.
All the fucks I’ve given and then just Spongebob! Oh well, life can be cruel.
“Nail, meet head. Nice one reb”
Isn’t it all a matter of contract, Tom R.
Also, how about one rule for all. Which one do you want – contracts rule or contracts can’t be cruel?
ROFLMAO @ Shane the snowflake
“I couldn’t give a fuck whether you agree with me or not.”
Careful Splatter might take offence at that…………………………………though maybe not as he does have a set at least
Contracts can have thing defined about behaviour and actions, not beliefs or lifestyle.
Hitchens. Those who are determined to be `offended` will discover a provocation(gays,abortion) somewhere. We cannot possibly adjust enough to please the (skyfairy)fanatics, and it is degrading to make the attempt.
@-the quote cuts both ways blubbers, teh-ipa and LimitedNews Goblins spend all the time they can scouring the interwebs seeking topics their herds can be `offended` by, and then overstimulating them with those topics.
@-unlike shane, l`m a bit more sciency and accept that biology may play a role in skyfairy affliction and/or resistance to affliction.
“Contracts can have thing defined about behaviour and actions, not beliefs or lifestyle.”
But if the contract breaches the statute or the common law that part of the contract becomes unenforceable.
Is there a difference between behaviour and lifestyle?
One in the same I would have thought
“Lifestyle refers to people’s behaviour patterns. Cultural values and beliefs shape these behaviours, which are influenced by personal socio-economic circumstances. Harmful behaviours, for example heavy drinking, can be met with approval within some groups or circumstances, making behaviour change very challenging.”
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=behaviour+lifestyle
Is there a difference between behaviour and lifestyle?
probably not, bad choice of words 😉
So no one has ventured an opinion if it’s ok for bolt to sue people cos his feelings woz hurts?
I must have missed that one Tom R. Seriously, can you refer me to the details?
The fundraiser account has been closed.
https://www.acl.org.au/pledge_izzy
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I think the ones who could be most traumatised by Folau’s tweet and similar are those who *do* believe in hell, know they are good people, yet are told they can’t go to heaven because of their sexuality. Someone very close to me struggles with this.
I just watched @PatsKarvelas on my abc and david marr took on a skyfairy goblin spectacularly. To add to the fun the banner below said `acl halts donations to falou cause` (or-similar) l always enjoy marr, he is actually one of the very few talking heads l stay on-channel for. lt looks like the penny has dropped with teh-acl that this is really a teabag-V teabag fight. @Haw @Haw
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Those who are determined to be `offended` will discover a provocation(AnySocialProgram) somewhere. We cannot possibly adjust enough to please the (TrickleDown)fanatics, and it is degrading to make the attempt.
Blame the law as it prevents people from being discriminated against in their employment in the basis of their religious beliefs!!***
…by the way… which government was responsible for this legislation??
***conditions apply
Then they came for filthy rich accountants live in Sydney’s North shore
He’ll be going straight to hell then! (Something about camels and needles…)🤣
And I think Shane is wrong.
* There are people whose sense of spirituality is as much a part of their character as the sexual orientation of others.
* Alcoholism is an addiction for some. The dependence is not optional for them.
It isn’t true that these charateristics are optional.
“I think the ones who could be most traumatised by Folau’s tweet and similar are those who *do* believe in hell, know they are good people, yet are told they can’t go to heaven because of their sexuality. Someone very close to me struggles with this.”
FMD. ToSY finally gets it.
Not too mention kids coming to terms with their sexuality attending religious schools.
Can you imagine the mental anguish? I guess not, otherwise you cunts wouldn’t be so fucking flippant about the whole topic. 🙄
“There are people whose sense of spirituality is as much a part of their character as the sexual orientation of others.”
Get fucked.
People have the freedom to choose whatever it is they want to believe in.
Jeesus FKN Christ I can’t believe I’m even having to explain such simple fucking facts.
Really? Plenty of people are attracted to religion because they have an innate need to think there is more to existance than what they can physically observe. The spirituality is in their DNA
“Alcoholism is an addiction for some. The dependence is not optional for them.”
That’s bullshit too.
It’s a chemical and psychological addiction that can be treated.
The first step is recognising that they have a problem.
Or are you suggesting that homosexuality is “a problem” that could be overcome if only they would just attend some sort of “fags anonymous?”
Honestly the naivety around this place fkn astounds me sometimes.
“an innate need to think there is more to existance than what they can physically observe.”
Sure, then they can pick and choose whatever religious/spiritual flavour suits their particular leanings from the smorgasbord that’s available.
Are you seriously suggesting that somehow you might wake up tomorrow and think “homosexuality sounds like me, I think I’ll give that a crack (if you’ll pardon the pun) and see how I go with that for a while”…???
FMD. ToSY finally gets it.
I always did get it. It’s actually my sister I’m talking about. But I still think Folau should have the right to say what he did.
I know, strange isn’t it. Or is it?
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/01/defend-say/
Some people have a prediliction for spirituality. They probably don’t consider that optional. Some see it as a the characteristic that defines them personally.
And not only that, but the law prohibits discrimination against them in employment in exactly the same way as it protects against discrimination on the basis of age or sexual orientation.
If you have such a problem with that law, maybe try getting it changed. Good luck with that.
homosexuality sounds like me, I think I’ll give that a crack
Lol.
I was thinking I’d have a go at bisexuality. After all, it doubles your options doesn’t it?
… yeah, and all those homeless alcoholics, their condition is entirely their choice isn’t it? If only they would choose not to be homeless alcoholics their problems would be over.
I’d probably start with a quick rubdown and see if anything popped up.
…and all the indigenous communities where alcoholism is rampant, if only they would make the choice not to be alcoholics, just as you so sensibly recommend!
Honestly the naivety around this place fkn astounds me sometimes.
Yeah. I know how that feels.
I’d only go to one of the very best five star ‘bathhouses’. I do have standards you know.
Not sure if one is born bisexual, but to me it would be a choice. Then I’d be one of the B’s in LGBTIQ+ alphabet. (Does anyone check your ratio? You know, percentage of women to men you have sex with. Is there a threshold to being admitted to the B community?)
If there’s no audit by the ‘Gaystapo’, I might start identifying as a B from now on. On account of I’m bi-curious and will consummate my choice in due course.
In our society it is a fairly major move to have in the space of a generation or two a total rejection of Christianity which has underpinned society for almost two millennia. I would favour a more gradual change.
Sounds like a “in my life” statement …
1. There has never been “total rejection of Christianity” in Australia … but most Australians don’t agree with extremism in any form …
2. Christianity hasn’t “underpinned society for almost two millennia” it has raped, pillaged, murdered, razed, warred, controlled, stolen and jeopardised human societies across the world … and still tries to … particular churches, cults and sects within christianity still control and persecute women and children, some in the most barbaric ways …
3. You might like a “gradual change” but many others want an end to biblical fiction and religious controls in our society …
Any religion is acceptable providing it does not interfere with the workings of a general secular society … you choose to follow a religion in a secular society, then that society makes the rules – including employment contracts – not the church …
No-one forces you to go to church … but you and your church would love to force me, and others like me, to go! It’s called brainwashing and it begins in primary schools … and you burble about gulags and communism …
On another note. I filled out an online form the other night trying to get off a speeding fine. I know! At one point I was asked if I identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. Nothing else about any other race. I was extremely tempted. I mean why ask that question unless it might make a difference to the decision?
The fine was $322, so it’s worth a try, right?
Fkn revenue raising.
But if the contract breaches the statute or the common law that part of the contract becomes unenforceable.
Well that’s BS to start with … in Australia, NZ, UK, Canada and any other country that uses Common Law as the basis for its legal system it can ONLY be overridden by Statute …
If there is a statute you know of please provide a link … I don’t …
it can ONLY be overridden by Statute …
FMD. What do you think the act of parliament says about discrimination in employment on the basis of religious beliefs, sexual orientation, or age… among other prohibited grounds?
Folau says RA offered him money to delete his tweet.
Folau going to Fair Work Commission tomorrow.
Says he’s looking for an apology.
Well I’m only glad that the solution to the alcoholism in indigenous communities (and homeless and victims of domestic violence and other disadvantaged/dispossessed people) is so straightforward.
They just need to personally decide not to be alcoholics. Maybe all the alcoholics around Katherine in the NT could just book in to their local rehab centre.
“They just need to personally decide not to be alcoholics.”
Like gay people should just decide to no longer be gay?
I once thought more of you ToM.
I guess my judgement was misplaced.
Really it was you and Shane that said alcoholism is a personal choice.
You specifically said alcoholics should just get treatment, because it’s chemical.
You don’t think you might reflect on those comments? Because I can’t see that you would seriously hold them if you thought about it.
…and where have I even suggested that being gay is a personal choice? Quite the contrary. It wasn’t me that differentiated between optional characteristics and those that aren’t. I specificalky suggested that there are mire in the non optional
“Really it was you and Shane that said alcoholism is a personal choice.”
WTF…?
You need help.
“I specificalky suggested that there are mire in the non optional”
I can see what I’m up against here…
Excuse me while I go and do something a little more meaningful with my time… 🙄
It’s not about being Gay it’s about the right to offend someone/ everyone.
However We won’t tolerate inciting violence
Plenty of arseholes have been banned from speaking tours here or even concerts because previously they have preached violence or sung about it.
Even David Irving many years ago should have been allowed in with his Holocaust denials. If they are idiots let them speak and the Mob will work them out
Milo offends but I don’t care and he’s gay
You said –
It’s a chemical and psychological addiction that can be treated.
The first step is recognising that they have a problem.
Yeah, all those homeless people, all that alcoholism in indigenous communities, all those women with violent husbands that seek solace in alcohol, now know what to do!
And I need help. What a narrow prespective you seem to have about alcoholism and the range of people it effects.
Get fucked.
Succinct and to the point. I AGREE!
“Really it was you and Shane that said alcoholism is a personal choice.”
I think that you will find that I was the one going on about ‘personal choice’, although, I never said alcoholism was specifically. Often it is, often it is just treatable. This is where it differs from sexual orientation.
Says he’s looking for an apology.
Satire is dead.
It’s not about being Gay it’s about the right to offend someone/ everyone.
Exactly, the right to be a bigot is still being fought. And, apparently the one who wants that right, also wants an apology ROFL (sob)
I also love the way yomm argues that since Labor introduced some IR legislation, every tweak and turn the libs have done since is on Labors heads.
It’s like all the numbnut greens on the Twitter who blames rampant capitalism on Keating. It’s nonsensical.
btw, is everyone comfortable with pyne getting a massive private defense gig a couple of months after running from parliament as Defense minister?
It’s not like he sold the Darwin ports to the Chinese and then went straight to work for that company after he quit parliament, is it?
No worries and I’m willing to say that I may have reacted a intemperately.
“may have”?
Apparently, “dole bludgers” (read, people who cannot find suitable work) are going to be forced to pick fruit.
Why does rampant capitalism look a lot like rampant Communism?
The more you read about the Setka case, the more it reminds me of the rancid pursuit of Slipper, and the innuendo that followed.
So, it was the cops who decided to pursue the charges, even though the wife didn’t want to.
More political motivation by our constabulary.
She said she understood why Ms Walters had decided not to press charges against her husband, leaving police to pursue just two out of dozens of charges originally laid against him.
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Ms Batty said that she, along with most of the public, had been confused over the identity of Mr Setka’s victim, originally assuming the harassment charge had related to behaviour towards a work colleague – and was disturbed to note that some felt this would have been more serious.
“That type of behaviour and intimidation [of a partner] is equally abhorrent as if it was a stranger,” she said.
Legal restrictions meant Ms Walters could only be identified by the media after she outed herself on the steps of the Melbourne Magistrates Court on Wednesday.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/rosie-batty-understands-why-emma-walters-is-standing-by-john-setka-20190627-p521y7.html
So, it was the cops who decided to pursue the charges, even though the wife didn’t want to.
Gee, and Setka entered a guilty plea, so the cops were correct under the law in spite of the wife’s wishes.
By the way, how are you going with the details of Bolt’s lawsuit against someone whose speech he didn’t like?
Oh, this would be worth it, just for the POUTRAGE! (no, not a typo)
The ACL is a registered charity with the ACNC and is subject to its reporting and governance rules. If raising funds to support Folau’s legal action falls outside the ACL’s charitable purpose, it could risk losing its status as a registered charity – and all the benefits that come with that.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/could-the-australian-christian-lobby-be-investigated-for-its-israel-folau-fundraiser
I also understand that israel may be guilty of lying about being offered money to take down his tweet. If true, does this mean he’ll spend an eternity with gays?
By the way, how are you going with the details of Bolt’s lawsuit against someone whose speech he didn’t like?
I may have mistaken that for one of his numerous threats to do so. Doesn’t change the fact of the many others who have sued for defamation (not that I’m against them doing that mind you)
so the cops were correct under the law
“under the law” is becoming a bit of a joke in this day and age.\
“under the law”, employers can change their rules and sack people for wearing Union stickers if they want. “under the law”, the workers don’t have a leg to stand on
I’m not saying Setka didn’t make a mistake. But, it was one he had already worked out with his wife, the hurt party. All the pigs did was make her hard time harder. Which, from all reports, is what caused this in the first place.
Yes, often they deserve the term ‘pigs’
You just need to say it.
I was wr… I was wro…I was wron…wrong!
There, doesn’t that feel better?
Without ‘under the law’ what do we have? The rule of law is meant to take away the power of kings (or despots, etc) to run things how they might feel from time to time. So yes, I prefer that way.
Or from moralising moralists running the show.
I was wr… I was wro…I was wron…wrong!
You say tamato 😉
Without ‘under the law’ what do we have?</i.
peoples right to not pursue charges? Oh yea ………. free will isn't?
I'm sure that the cops "upholding the law", and thereby making a bad time worst for the victim is 'right' in the outcome, isn't it?
I thought laws were supposed to help the victim, not the privileged?
Everyone is equal under the law. Or so the saying goes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_before_the_law
Some are more equal than others
Especially banks 😉
‘under the law’ WOOHOOOO
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/afp-raids-and-prosecution-of-whistleblowers-sparks-global-condemnation/
Some are more equal than others
Could be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
Should be 😉
Scott Morrison says Australia has not yet been asked to take part in any military action in Iran but says any request from the Trump administration will be considered “seriously and on its merits”.
“Australia has not yet been asked to take part in any military action” FFS!
YET? Well there’s a clue …
Jesus fucking wept another tag-a-long war monger and another generation going to war for the Yanks!
When will politicians stop wanking their tiny guns and pick up a fucking rifle themselves instead – just send your own kids off to war … not mine …
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FMD. What do you think the act of parliament says about discrimination in employment on the basis of religious beliefs, sexual orientation, or age… among other prohibited grounds?
Your statement implied that common law was the same as statute …
In Folau’s case his employment was breached by bringing the RA “into disrepute” – actually nothing to do with his religion or gay bashing mentality that is the evidence … his “star” status as a “representative” of the RA was used to push an agenda (any agenda would do) … that ultimately damaged the reputation of RA … and after warnings he did it willingly and consciously aware of the consequences …
The “breach” was nothing to do with his religious views … it was his public outbursts – had he been just another preacher — nothing would have occurred … as it was — it was Folau’s EMPLOYMENT that made hims a Krishtun Rok Sta … and thus very visible to a global market … he effectively affected RA revenue stream … selfish, hey?
Quick test … what is the name of the preacher of Folau’s church … googling is cheating … you wouldn’t have a clue …
Folau breached his side of the contract … (contarcts are Two way – Wally will explain that to you …)
I look forward to seeing the consequences of the case … it will be more than interesting … and will set many precedents …
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This is what “believers” feel OK with … ? What’s next, burning at the stake?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/alabama-pregnant-woman-shot-manslaughter-charge-marshae-jones
Jeez TB, you’re sounding more
unhingedworked up than ever. Sure you’re okay?I’m just here to have “what it’s like to be gay” straightsplained to me by YoM.
ToM
How on earth you can put being gay and alcoholic aboriginal women in the same sentence is amazing.
No matter what excuses or bullshit reasons you come up with a person is NOT BORN an alcoholic. They become an alcoholic after being exposed to either alcohol or trauma. It is however curable by removing yourself from the terrible situation or not driking.
You CANNOT remove yourself from being gay or stop taking something to stop being gay.
I have lived in Coonamble, Brewarrina and Cobar and have witnessed many aboriginal cases of violence and alcoholism, but it is still their situation or circumstances at the time, they were not born that way.
Firstly, I’m at the end of my 10 week surf trip, and returning home fo a brief rest before continuing in about a month, so I’m feeling very rested and particularly magnanimous
Shane, I can’t believe you downplay the plight of aboriginal people to such an extent. Suggesting that their alcoholism is their choice.
I’d also venture to say that sexuality isn’t quite as black and white as you suggest.
ToM
I did not say it was their choice at all, how about you read my comments again I said they were exposed to either alcohol or trauma, what a disgrace you are to state I said it was their choice !!!. Where is the word choice in my comment?
Id venture to say sexuality is definitely black and white, if not you are deluding yourself. Problem is so many so called straight guys are actually bi. That is their black and white sexuality.
Folau: RA offered me money to take down my post.
RA: No we didn’t.
He Said, She Said.
“No matter what excuses or bullshit reasons you come up with a person is NOT BORN an alcohol”
Bullshit…………..you can be born an alcoholic and worse
Foetal Alcohol Syndrome
*Inappropriate sexual behavior: Sexual advances, sexual touching, or promiscuity, experienced by about 50% of the subjects (age 12 and older)
*Alcohol and drug problems: Abuse or dependency, experienced by 35% of the subjects (age 12 and older)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_spectrum_disorder#Prognosis
Is now a good time to state that
Perhaps John Setka is just “misunderstood”.
Not to mention, been targeted, in the Peter Slipper sense of the term.
Shane l think you`ve painted yourself into the corner mate. You are all caught-up on the word `born`. Neo-natal nurses/staff have various booze`n drug damaged baby/s to help. You may know/believe you were born gay from the moment could crawl and earliest memory/s. Does that mean you are a `real` rainbow and the folks on `gaycation`(viceTV) are 2nd-class rainbows because they spent years in the wilderness, didn`t find their sprinkles or glitterballs until later stages of life development. Without trying to straightsplain, it is probably false to use yourself as a `cookie-cutter` model for the rainbow spectrum.
As I said sexuality isn’t always black and white. It is an oversimplification – don’t ignore nature/nurture
I did not say it was their choice at all,
A common problem with ToM’s (in)comprehension, he translates everyone else’s comments into ToMspeak … I’m convinced he works for a politician … office cleaner, probably …
Bullshit…………..you can be born an alcoholic and worse
Another futile “argument” for the sake of arguing … if you don’t get what Shane is saying then you really have a BIG problem both of you.
As for teebagz …. I know who’s off with the fairies and glitter balls …
Let’s put it this way … you can be born straight or gay and anyone can be affected by an alcoholic or drug affected mother (with respect to mum’s everywhere, I don’t believe alcoholism is carried in sperm or egg … its in what baby feeds on as it grows …)
And if the baby is born (straight or gay) the alcoholism can be “repaired” … the fact of gender remains the same …
To say that gender at birth can be “cured” is as silly as sounds … and either you buggers are dumber than you sound … or making shit up to prove a dud thesis … either way it explains why you think Folau sin’t having a lend of the whole country …
Check under your beds … what year is it again? 1950/60 something?
I’m not worked up … just astounded at what I always thought were intelligent people arguing wishy washy reasons that Folau must be right …
Truly frightening … ’cause its all over the world – not just here … ground hog day for me … trust no-one …
As I said sexuality isn’t always black and white. It is an oversimplification – don’t ignore nature/nurture
Please explain?
Oh Look, gram`pas having a moment (-: (-: (-: he didn`t watch single gaycation episode (-: (-: he doesn`t watch much sciency stuff either (-: (-: but next he`ll declare discovery of the rainbow gene (-: (-: or the `gayness` stage of development (-: (-: he`s even muddled me in with yomms dribble (-: (-: he missed that l was replying to shane and our 8-point comments!!!
The straightsplaining continues.
“don’t ignore nature/nurture”
Oh just get fucked.Honestly… 🙄
Perhaps yomm was suckled by wolves?
Oh just get fucked.Honestly…
People seem so tense these days
And I’m sure we’re all enjoying the aboriginalsplaining, the victimofdomesticviolencesplainimg overlaid with the alcoholismsplaining – because the “experts” advise that their dependence on alcohol is their choice, being born to an alcoholic mother in an alcoholic community is also their choice, no doubt..
I’ve no doubt that explanation would be very helpful to their welbeing. Nice.
Yep
(Good point(s), ToM; We’ll add (ATSI) Indigenes to the list of nominal (sub-)humans worthy of relentless torments unto singular deaths; in custody, for fines non-payments, if need be; so they can live on as statistics in coronial inquests and royal commissions, whose findings and recommendations We routinely can overlook; also, We shall ignore the umpteenth ANAO red–flagging of present(ed) doubleplusgood Liberal* Government; and (in)effective contributions to (not-)closing-the-gap(s), while We are at it.)
Balanced analysis here…
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-matter-of-folau-v-rugby-australia-your-honour-20190628-p522af.html
(Yep.)
Balanced analysis here…
Surely an oxymoron statement from, ToM?
And teebagz … I’m getting a bit tired of your insults … just sayin’
Oh noes! Trump is sitting down with Kim of N Korea again, right now.
Trump’s supporters: Statesman!
Trump’s opponents: Traitor!
Also, Trump joked with Putin at G20 about election interference.
Traitor!
Plus, he stepped over the DMZ into North Korea! How very dare he?
Treason!
Breaking: Trump pulls Kim’s finger who then farts very loudly. They both giggle and run behind the ‘Peace House’.
You can see the meeting was in fact impromptu as claimed. There are weeds growing out of the DMZ footpath.
I mean, if you had warning this was going to happen and it’d be broadcast around the world, you’d at least tidy the joint up a bit.
Meeting over. US and N Korea agree to set up negotiating teams.
Kim gone home. Trump and Moon of S Korea looked pleased with themselves.
Trump’s opponents: Traitor!
Link?
Trump’s just an ignorant fuckwit …
Also, Trump joked with Putin at G20 about election interference.
He actually said “get rid of all journalists” … Putin does … literally … he jails ’em or executes ’em! Funny, hey …
Plus, he stepped over the DMZ into North Korea! How very dare he?
Treason!
Nup … “keep your enemies close” Tsu … but he’s in love with Kim – apparently …
You can see the meeting was in fact impromptu as claimed. There are weeds growing out of the DMZ footpath.
Sarcasm at last!
I mean, if you had warning this was going to happen and it’d be broadcast around the world, you’d at least tidy the joint up a bit.
Or it just great manipulation … *
Meeting over. US and N Korea agree to set up negotiating teams.
Kim gone home. Trump and Moon of S Korea looked pleased with themselves.
Can’t wait for the outcomes*
It really is odd seeing all the left oriented types defending the right of corporations to control the statements of employees outside work.
The precedent this sets will be interesting
The precedent this sets will be interesting
You mean the precedent that has been applied to everyone todate.
Except when some don’t break contacts, but just voice opinions/FACTS that fly in the face of the opinions/beliefs of the powers that be?
jeebus yomm that age column is a load of shit.
To start with, Yassmin Abdel-Magied, didn’t get run out of the country via hate speech for “asserting her religious view”. It was because she reminded us of an awkward truth of what our country was doing to those worst of, on a day when we were supposed to be feeling good about ourselves for …….. losing?
But that’s Straya, re-writing history all the way down.
“You mean the precedent that has been applied to everyone todate.”
No… the reason it’s interesting is that there is no (or litle) legal precedent. An employers discretion to regulate the behaviour of an emloyee outside working hours hasn’t been tested through the court system. To date all cases have been settled.
As I said, it’s also interesting to see left oriented types do vociferously support the rights of employers to control the behaviour of emploees during non working hours.
ABC ‘AM’ just now: “Australia gets a new Head of State today.”
I must have missed news of the Queen’s demise. The Queen is dead, long live the King.
To date all cases have been settled.
Yes, and the Union members found they had no leg to stand on.
And all they were doing was wearing bloody stickers, for no reason whatsoever except Unions = BOO!
https://www.workplacelaw.com.au/you-can-leave-your-hat-on-but-take-the-union-sticker-off/
long live the King.
shh, don’t tell morriscum, he’s already got delusions of grandeur.
At least Tom Gleeson deserves his delusion 😉
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/jul/01/tom-gleeson-wins-gold-logie-after-ruthless-campaign-of-mockery
Traitors, compare the Pair lol
STRAYA, what a headline!
More than 2030 people died after receiving a Centrelink debt notice
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-have-died-after-receiving-centrelink-robodebt-notice/10821272
TrumpTB’s just an ignorant fuckwit …There. Fixed it.
That vacuous idiot Abdul Maggot lost all credibility when it came out that she took her riding instructions from Hizb ut-Tahrir.
you been reading too many of the tbagz posts splats, word salad much?
Try to make sense like Meta does!
Link?
FMD TB. You gotta get out more. Backwater blogs don’t know everything.
Try reading the comments below this tweet for a start. Might give you some idea of the chasm between Trump’s supporters and his detractors.
Diktators got a right to put with trump too, don’t they 😉
l really don`t mind which bunch of teabags meet the trump-train in court yomm, corporate of skyfairy. Nothing but silverlining as far as the eye can see.
Straya voted for it, so suck it up and enjoy it. lies and deceit is what we wanted, apparently
Still can’t find any news reports about the death of our Head of State. Coincidentally, the new Governor General is just about to be sworn in.
Andrew Leigh seems pretty concerned that low- and middle-income Australians haven’t yet received the promised tax cuts. Perhaps he can convince his Labor colleagues to vote for them.
Perhaps he can convince his Labor colleagues to vote for them.
Perhaps the libs shouldn’t have promised what they can’t deliver?
Labor are happy to pass them, but they aren’t going to pass tax cuts for wealthy people we can’t afford to do it. It’s called blackmail.
“Perhaps the libs shouldn’t have promised what they can’t deliver?”
I predict the government will get the cuts through with or without Labor’s support. Just another loss for Labor.
Doesn’t change the fact that the libs lied about getting a tax cut this year.
What’s your point?
My point, for the slow ones at the back, was that the voters were promised their tax cuts this year. Even IF Labor voted through the entire package (which wasn’t part of the promise at all) they wouldn’t get it.
Oh, I get it now. The Coal(!)ition went to the electorate with their tax plan – and won. Now the government should legislate a different plan – one the losing party says voters should have.
Labor: Still not listening.
The Coal(!)ition went to the electorate with their tax plan
LINK!
cos I’m pretty sure they went to the election to stop a non existent death tax (and not being Boring Bill)
Did you sleep through the last two budgets?
https://www.liberal.org.au/budget#taxrelief
Did you sleep through the last two budgets?
I’m pretty sure most of the electorate did. They only wake up for the election remember
(I was vaguely under the impression that Scott-the-Exaltant decided he could rule by regulatory fiat, was told that he could not, by all and sundry, and Treasury; and still proceeded to say that he could; and, now that he has to return to Parliament, MAG(A) cap in hand, he claims a mandate he doesn’t have, and never had, to rectify an egregious mistake at worst or to ratify a persistent, wilful lie at best; because that’s how he, and Josh-the-Sophisticate, and Mathias-the-Loyal roll; publicly, in ‘their’ People’s House, and in ‘their’ House of Review, dealings.
Libs: Still born-to-rule (but not in a winner-takes-all kinda way, judging by all their posturing and whining)?)
Josh-the-Sophisticate, and Mathias-the-Loyal roll;
lol
Why is it the ones claiming they have a ManDate also seem to hate gays the most?
Are they just confused, or jealous?
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/editorial/2019/06/29/maybe-god-didnt-make-your-penis/15617304008367
Mandate or not (funny how it’s always the losing side that argues against mandate doctrine), those of us who managed to stay awake during the last two budgets knew those tax cuts were government policy. And yet they were re-elected anyway. Now, the no-mandate mob wants the non-winning mob’s version to be implemented instead.
OR
They want the grubmint to pass legislation in the democratic manner.
Because, if you actually HAD a mandate, you wouldn’t need to threaten people into voting with you, would you 😉
If the government has no mandate for their policies, what authority does Labor have for their ‘policies’? The public just rejected them at an election. I’d say none whatsoever, but that’s just me.
Perhaps you need to look again how our system of Government works Tony. It could be illuminating 😉
Labor called Abbott Dr No when he was in Opposition even though he let most of Labors policies through. Then in Opposition Labor blocks worse than Abbott. Labor blocked the May 2014 budget which was the time to stop the runaway debt truck Swan started
Nice condescension Tom R. You really wounded me with that one.
I’ll be keeping the no-such-thing-as-a-mandate thing in the locker in case Labor ever wins another election. There’s still the government-should-keep-the-promises-they-made-at-the-election thing though.
The only promise they made was to stop a non existent death tax. Go for it, condi 😉
Promises, promises.
We need to warn the public to read the fine print, hey 😉
“From a pure economic rationalist perspective … what is often not recognised is that inheritance taxes are also an efficient form of revenue raising”
– Andrew Leigh, New Matilda, 7 March 2006
“All things being equal, surely people would prefer to be taxed when they were dead than when they’re alive”
-Ben Oquist, Executive Director, The Australia Institute, ABC News, 11 February 2016
“An inheritance tax on the wealthiest estates can restore fairness to our tax system and ensure the very wealth and big business pay tax”
-ACTU, Daily Telegraph, 21 July 2018
Note that wealth to the Left is always someone earning over $80K p.a.
We need to warn the public to read the fine print, hey
Mebe.
There’s still the government-should-keep-the-promises-they-made-at-the-election thing though.
There is that, t’is true; it’s such a shame that someones voluntarily time-shifted their (in)ability(ies) to keep (a) ‘solemn’ promise(s), two different ways: first, by firmly not having a policy, as a government with an interest in governing, of actually securing passage of their government’s ‘budget’ (at budget-time/prior to an election); and, secondly, by knowing, when calling an election, that they’d (‘have to’) backdate their ‘blank(et)’ promise-(non-)fulfilment ‘check’ IF they ‘miraculously’ won; but, then, again, with a remarkably strong economy and (an) acclaimed solid surplus(es) already under their belt(s), as evidence of their reliable fiscal (mis)management(s), further tinkering(s) structurally was/is always going to be achieved in a canter; I guess, eh?)
Lefties are just money grubs, hey wally
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-government-refuses-to-rule-out-return-of-death-duties-20151114-gkywn9.html
Looks like the govt will get their tax cuts through the Senate.
Winning!
(Winning!
Yep; the ‘winners’, serfing their way(s) to victory(ies), get a real wage (growth) cut and a pretend pay raise, in return for diminished public services; and accelerating wealth transfers and wealth accumulations inequalities in a (near-)ZIRPy environment; how good is that? But, really, that central banks are floundering in the zero-bounds quagmire, and crying out for productivity-enhancing, government(s)-backed infrastructural investments, to temporarily support ailing economies, is a global phenomenon, not anyone’s fault, and especially not, say, globally-successful members of, and advocates for, an International Democrat Union’s class(less)-war(-is-peace)fare programme; obsessed as an a(nti)social Thatcherite-Reaganite quasi-cabal might or might not be with austerities, and tax cuts, and organised labour and wage constraints, and fending-off challenges to (incipient?, heriditary) capital-hording-and-frittering oligarchies, and peddling (more) cultya-warez opiate(-of-the-masse)s.
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(However We won’t tolerate inciting violence
Good to know, Walrus; but Gillian seems to think that the accepted threshold begins with incitement to discrimination, typically, a civil matter; and the ALRC, in report after report after report, including present(/absent?) (Abbott-Turnbull-)Morrison Government’s gathering-dust-on-the-shelf Traditional Freedoms review, keeps noting the Commonwealth of Australia’s (dis)proportionality in (not) introducing specific (criminal) sanctions for (discrimination(s)-based) incitements to hatred and to violence, per conformity with ratified treaties obligations and international practice, subject to Australia’s very-temporary, decades-long reservations about Australians’ abilities successfully to wrap their everyday-discriminatory heads and lips around the basic idea that extremists and hatemongers might be a little bit ungood for everyone else around them – their freedoms and their peaceful enjoyments of their lives – despite, or in cause of, all the ‘good people on both sides’ (of the Parliamentary Chambers?).
And, speaking of the ALRC, and of a Morrison Government’s pledge to ‘govern for all Australians’ (as contrasted with, say, (over)ruling on behalf of the few), how’s that promised ‘informative-consultative’ report on religious (anti-)discrimination(s)-qua-freedom(s) of/(from?) religion(s) going; and the (Turnbull-)Morrison Government’s broad(er) jurisdictional ‘consultations’, consequent upon its response to its expertly-appointed open-and-yet-conspicuously-secretive ‘review’?)