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It’s all going to Hell in a hand basket! (or is it?)

July 11, 2019

 

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Australia S&P/ASX 200 Stock Market Index

 

So I was thinking we could talk about something sensible for a change (and see how long it lasts).

The word on the street is that the Australian share market is due for a correction with some pundits claiming it could be as much as 10 or 20%. Given that most of your are capitalistic pigs conscientious investors, I’d be interested to know whether you think there is an element of truth in this, or is it just bullshit.

Surely, the so-called “fundamentals” of the Australian economy are looking shaky, with the RBA practically begging the government to bring forward infrastructure spending in order to spark up Australia’s languishing economy which is spluttering along on life support.

Consumer and business confidence is in the doldrums, interest rates are at record lows, retail is technically in recession and the construction industry is predicting mass layoffs as the housing market continues to struggle.

Yet the ASX continues to climb. Something has to give, or does it..?

 

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  1. July 11, 2019 3:44 pm

    Here is a new post.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2019 6:31 pm

    Best of luck, reb …

    So I was thinking we could talk about something sensible for a change (and see how long it lasts).

    Yet the ASX continues to climb. Something has to give, or does it..?

    Bit like the “lull” before the storm, methinks … you could always pray and show more love …

    BTW, dead cats bounce under lots of “conditions” …

    All it needs is a (successful) re-enactment of Dallas, 1963 …

    The markets will collapse … and then FLY!

    And has the Philip Lowe been given the “word” …

    (Seriously … we have already put our GFC v2.0 plan in place … ) Oddly enough based on our GFC v1.0 plan!)

    And I am seriously (note Wally) interested in Wally’s take on your post …

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/11/need-for-speed-is-the-netflix-effect-to-blame-for-the-nbns-failures

    Interesting read – in context if you understand the “need for speed” in business …

    (Note: I just checked my speed: 93.39mbps … just so you don’t think “it’s about me”!) I pay for … 100 mbps)

    I believe that NZ is still running @ over 400 mbps …

  3. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2019 7:34 pm

    Fact is nobody knows. The worlds greatest Treasurer Wayne Swan was preparing his first May 2008 to fight inflation which he said the Howard govt had caused. Only a few months later the GFC hit.

    But there are a number of people saying the market will crash and the crash will be worse than the GFC.

    PS. TB -a bit off topic but that article about the NBN is talking about the fixed wireless network used by maybe 7% of Australians in regional areas. It is not talking about fixed lines used by most people

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2019 9:03 pm

    PS Neeeeel! I know … fixed line/cable/hybrid is even worse!

    Do ya homework!

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2019 9:09 pm

    But the article is about fixed wireless for regional areas. I have never seen those problems mentioned in the article applying to fixed line.

  6. July 12, 2019 9:37 am

    Where’s Walrus when you need him?

  7. July 12, 2019 9:39 am

    But, but, but the HIA was saying there’s signs that things are picking up…

    https://www.afr.com/real-estate/residential/loans-to-housing-investors-slide-20190711-p5267a

  8. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2019 9:43 am

    Just prey harder reb

    I mean, the guys that our pm hangs out with seem to prey a lot. Mostly on younger people it seems, but prey they do.

    Thank dog there is no god, he’d be striking down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger like crazy by now.

  9. Tony permalink
    July 12, 2019 9:47 am

    “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” ~ Yogi Berra

  10. July 12, 2019 9:48 am

    “he’d be striking down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger like crazy”

    Oddly enough, I’ve been thinking of mending my ways, after seeing that pic of Brian Houston with his slicked back Gordon Gecko hairstyle and sky blue suit preying with FauxMo I thought “yes, I could carry off that look” (but I’d add the braces and cigar, for that extra air of self-entitlement).

  11. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2019 10:02 am

    Brian Houston with his slicked back Gordon Gecko hairstyle and sky blue suit preying with FauxMo

    “I was a worship leader in an AOG church when it became public knowledge that Brian Houston had needed to take the step of disciplining his own father for “sexual immorality”.”

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1148915387322384386.html

  12. July 12, 2019 11:29 am

    At the end of Tom’s link…

    “Every fairy tale has a dark side”

    prophetic! 😆

  13. July 12, 2019 6:19 pm

    In the digital age, digital economy, where a nation runs its telegraphWire banking/retail system one day, and the very next day its tax/govt system so successfully, while loading up its treasury/s with construction liability/s and starving the consumption based trading of consumers able to consume? We`ll be fine.

  14. Tony permalink
    July 12, 2019 7:46 pm

    Anyone remember John Elferink, the immediate past Attorney General of Northern Territory? (He was one of the central figures in the ‘4 Corners’ Don Dale youth detention story.)

    I met him today. A very intelligent and interesting fellow, as it happens.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2019 10:57 pm

    “Every fairy tale has a dark side”

    “Every dark-side has a fairytale”

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2019 11:00 pm

    I met him today. A very intelligent and interesting fellow, as it happens.

    So? Your point is? You met him?

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2019 11:01 pm

    We`ll be fine.

    Are you suggesting Australia is Bejing HACKED!?

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2019 9:48 am

    It’s interesting that Trump is offended because the British Ambassador called his presidency- inept, clumsy, dysfunctional, insecure, incoherent…

    That’s a fairly mild and diplomatic description.

    Divisive, maniacal and driven only by ego should have been included

  19. Tony permalink
    July 13, 2019 10:33 am

    So? Your point is? You met him?

    I’m sorry you are so miserable.

  20. Boo Of Pixar permalink
    July 13, 2019 12:03 pm

    x.. x.. Oh its just a britannia ambassaBore going under the trump-train. But guess who is riding 1st-class.

    Here comes theBoris, Let the teabag-panic begin .. Johnson’s far-from-sunny view of the French has also now been revealed. He thinks they are `turds`, a remark disgracefully pulled from a BBC documentary on the Foreign Office last year because it threatened to derail the Brexit negotiations .. what self-respecting news organisation censors its greatest scoop? @there`s always the time my ABC handed back to govt filing cabinets full of political papers!

  21. July 13, 2019 12:39 pm

    is “ Bejing HACKED!? ” @nah. Why would they bother distracting a govt that is so successfully wrecking its own country which can`t even deal with rubbish.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2019 4:36 pm

    We can always rely on Trump… to bullshit…

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/by/

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2019 2:17 pm

    I’m pleased that Simona Halep won at Wimbledon.

    I’m not fond of the players that have a history of gamesmanship and poor sportsmanship.

    * Williams
    – tantrums to put a young player off their game
    – rarely recognises the great game of a player that beats her, she usually just says – “I played badly”
    – often pushes in front of a defeated opponent to shake hands with the umpire, against sporting convention

    * Nadal
    – there is a rule allowing 20 seconds to serve. Nadal takes up to 40, this is a tactic to annoy his opponent (among other behavioural idiosyncrasies)

    * Sharapova
    – various prima donna behaviours, also pushes in front of opponent after a win
    – screeching to disguise the sound of the racket
    – turns back on server to apply lipstick (or whatever reason) and unsettle opponent

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2019 6:47 pm

    I’m sorry you are so miserable.

    I’m not you’re attempts don’t bother me one bit … it was a question … again … you’re point was?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s a fairly mild and diplomatic description. And very accurate I thought, ToM … Trump has insulted more allies of the USA and than traditional “enemies” why don’t others see it? … see above … millennial ignorance?

    Wimpleton ToM … Wimpleton …

    And yes, Ash Barty, was a breathe of fresh air in international tennis … and Dylan Alcott wheelchair win was great!

    We had a friend that stuffed up pronunciation comically all around the world … our favourite (we were actually in the city) was … Instanbul … over and over … could not get it right … and never knew …

  25. Tony permalink
    July 14, 2019 7:31 pm

    I’m not you’re attempts don’t bother me one bit

    I think you mean ‘your’. 🤣😂

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2019 7:39 pm

    I think you mean ‘your’.

    Now you think your ToM … originality has never been your style forte … it comes with a sense of humour and life experiences … that leads to cynicism, irony and sarcasm … and a couldn’t give a flying fuck attitude … wheeeeeeeeee!

  27. Tony permalink
    July 14, 2019 7:46 pm

    originality has never been your style forte

    Cheerfulness has never been yours.

  28. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 8:30 am

    rarely recognises the great game of a player that beats her, she usually just says – “I played badly”

    Rarely?
    Usually?

    Or do you mean the few times she has, and it’s been amplified to the maximum degree. Usually by white, male, conservative wannabes

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 8:40 am

    No… I mean Williams regularly lacks grace in defeat.

  30. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 8:53 am

    fer yomm 😉

    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/10/17837150/serena-williams-us-open-tennis-2018-sexism

    originality has never been your style forte

    Cheerfulness has never been yours.

    does too … does not …. does too ………………………………….

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:22 am

    Are you suggesting that she only showed bullying and poor sportsmanship against Osaka?

    There is a long history there. Just like Nadal taking twice as long to serve, and Sharapova turning her back when an opponent is ready toto serve.

    It is an issue about being a good sport, not about colour. Williams is particularly arrogant and a poor sport, in my opinion.

  32. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:25 am

    Are you suggesting that she only showed bullying and poor sportsmanship against Osaka?

    I’m suggesting you read the article I linked to, especially about your baseless smear with regards to Osaka

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:43 am

    It’s interesting that William’s coach admitted he was coaching her, but that she may not have seen him.

    Yeah, right.

    …So the umpire saw him coaching her, applies the rules, and WIlliams throws a tantrum

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:53 am

    Williams doesn’t regret her behaviour – typical of a tantrum thrower.

    Anyone with good grace would have apologised to the umpire (who applied the rules) and taken it up with their coach – who was encouraging her to break the rules.

  35. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:57 am

    Another way of looking at it is, Williams did nothing wrong, and got penalised for it 😉

    Asked for her perspective on the match, Williams instead turned attention back to Osaka. “She played well, and this is her first Grand Slam,” Williams said, her voice breaking.

    “Let’s make this the best moment we can,” she urged the crowd. “Let’s give everyone the credit where credit’s due and let’s not boo anymore. We’re going to get through this and let’s be positive, so congratulations, Naomi!”

    Yea, what a tantrum

  36. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:59 am

    Williams doesn’t regret her behaviour

    Why should she apologise for something she didn’t do. Even the coach admitted she never looked at him.

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:24 am

    It’s against the rules to coach from the stand. So where does Williams say – my coach broke the rules and the ump was right…

  38. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:40 am

    Why do you not apologise for the actions of others?

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:43 am

    It’s her team that broke the rules and I think Williams would be aware of the rules.

    She was wrong in the dispute and the manner in which she disputed it

  40. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:57 am

    Even if she was, in that one instance, the events show that she treated her opponent with respect.

    I see that our current traditional cultural expert has deemed climbing Uluru to be just fine and dandy

    fuck our msm is trashed

  41. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:59 am

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 11:24 am

    Her press conferences are usually used as an excuse for her playing poorly. Not to say she was beaten by a better opponent.

    You should look at the examples of her tantrums, she is the McEnroe of this generation.

  43. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 11:32 am

    You should look at an example of her graciousness

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 11:58 am

    McEnroe was also charming and gracious on occasions. But he is remembered for his tantrums, deservedly so too. Williams deserves the same reputation.

  45. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 12:13 pm

    yomms left the planet

    Meanwhile, I understand the promised surplus is no longer promised

    So, was it Back In Black, Or Dirty Deeds?

  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2019 1:27 pm

    “Meanwhile, I understand the promised surplus is no longer promised”

    Shows you how great Howard was. handed a totally trashed budget in 1996 and unemployment at 8%. Much higher than now. After years of deficit budgets under Keating. Within 12 months Howard was running surplus budgets. He did it by cutting govt spending. The only way to get the budget back into continual surplus

  47. ivi permalink
    July 15, 2019 1:41 pm

    (So, was it….?

    Apparently, it was all ‘we see the world through the same eyes; but, that was then, and this is now.)

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 1:56 pm

    It’s hardly isolated behaviour

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/serena-williams-sore-loser-grand-slam-us-open-roberta-vinci

  49. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 2:26 pm

    It’s hardly isolated behaviour

    “Rarely?
    Usually?”

    lol

    Pretty sure everybody on the circuit has lost their shit. It’s called being competitive. Sure, not everyone is like Federrer, but there’s few in the league of mcenroe or our own Kyrgios

    But you just keep on ya haten’ yomm. it’s good for the soul???

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 3:26 pm

    Is there another men’s or women’s player in the top 20 that has this record of behaviour?

    Yes, Kyrgios and Tomic show poor behaviour, but where are they ranked?

    ..but then I suppose you are entitled to accept the behaviour of people by the standards you set – for example the CFMEU

  51. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 3:29 pm

    , but where are they ranked?

    ROFL

  52. July 15, 2019 5:15 pm

    Only Three? (dog damn-it, why don`t these young-uns just listen and join me and the rest of my generation in the `hopeSayers` echo chamber, instead of being difficult) Ooops! (and whats with all this ornery idle chatter coming out of southYarra now`a days, they don`t grow bananas) Rising damp.

  53. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2019 9:08 am

    Only Three?

    Aged care, along with child care, is failing us badly.

    Privatization does not work for essential services, emphasis on services.

    We are on the verge of privatising our rail system in SA. They did it with the electricity and buses, both are major failures. Our bus system, even though the Government still spends $millions on a privatised system, is a bad joke. And the electricity speaks for itself. They also sold off the gas turbines and battery storage Weatherill built, or are in the process of. The idea of having it Government owned was to help keep prices down. Instead, prices keep on flying up. And some rich dude in China rakes it in.

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2019 9:42 am

    Yes. In SA electricity does speak for itself. SA blew up its coal fired power stations and replaced them with renewables. Why are you lefties so deceitful? Privatisation has nothing to do with high power prices in SA. Then SA found they were in trouble so they had to lease diesel generators for megabucks

  55. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2019 10:10 am

    Not sure if you’ve been told yet today nil, but you’re an idiot

    Perhaps you should “right” for the lolstrayan?

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2019 10:18 am

    At least I am not deceitful like you. Privatisation has nothing to do with high electricity prices in SA. Getting rid of coal fired power stations is the reason. Then after finding they were in trouble SA had to lease CO2 producing diesel generators for megabucks and then build a gas fired CO2 producing power station. All additional costs.

  57. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2019 11:15 am

    yawn nil, ya ramblings have all been discussed before, and then you just come back with the same old crap. boring

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2019 11:32 am

    How the hell can privatisation have anything to do with electricity costs in SA? They got rid of their privatised coal fired power stations. BTW all the wind farms in SA. Who owns them because I do not know? Are they govt or private? And because they do not work well SA had to lease diesel generators for $100M and then build a CO2 producing gas fired power plant all adding to the cost of electricity

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 12:24 pm

    Earthquake in bali…

    I’ve been in Bali during a fairly strong earthquake, and as the building was shaking, I thought- “I hope this isn’t one of the buildings where they substituted straw for concrete”

  60. July 16, 2019 3:09 pm

    RE, tewwa, cutting, wed-tape, gwenfell, da-onions! (-:

    The Government will not release its list of high-risk buildings, citing the potential terrorism threat. “I don’t think (releasing the list) would be a very wise thing to do,” Mr Andrews said. The Government said the “highest level of rigour” would be applied to whoever was contracted to do rectification works, which Mr Andrews said would take five years.

    Cladding has been a major headache for the Andrews Government, as well as in other jurisdictions across Australia. In recent days, industry has been pleading with the Federal Government for a national response ; especially building surveyors worried about insurance. Insurance companies have stopped giving surveyors personal indemnity coverage for properties with cladding..16.07.2019

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 5:25 pm

    The NSW Court of Appeal has upheld cricketer Chris Gayle’s $300,000 defamation win against publications including The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age

    There are so many examples of the media inventing or exaggerating stories about individuals, that it is good to see another successful action against them.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/herald-and-age-lose-appeal-against-chris-gayle-defamation-win-20190716-p527k5.html

  62. July 16, 2019 5:44 pm

    Remember when we heard so often and so stridently about turning off corporate traffic lights and cutting corporate red-tape? Well the wreckage is really starting to pile-up in the intersections now! All for their very-own baby primates to spend the rest of lifetime cleaning-up and paying off. The OwnGoal is spectacular!

    16.07.2019, my abc “Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars will be spent to deal with the flammable cladding crisis in Victoria, where about 500 buildings need rectification work to be made safe. Half of the $600 million plan will be funded directly from state coffers.”

    Premier Daniel Andrews has announced a $600 million package to fund the work, and is asking the Commonwealth to cover half of that cost.

    If it refuses, the Victorian Government will instead increase a building permit levy to raise the money, Mr Andrews said. @snip!!

    Consumer advocate Anne Paten, from the Victorian Building Action Group, said the $600 million funding package would not come close to fixing the state’s cladding issues. @Tick

    She told ABC Radio Melbourne the real cost was ” many, many billions of dollars“. @Tick

    @see url in tweet

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 5:51 pm

    I see Trunt is playing the race card. What a complete f***wit, so are his supporters and apologists

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2019 6:02 pm

    TomR

    Those articles are from 2014. This is why electricity prices are going up

    https://theurbandeveloper.com/articles/south-australias-last-coal-fired-power-station-demolished

    South Australia’s last coal-fired power station is under demolition.
    Explosives were used to demolish the Port Augusta’s 47-metre-high east coal bunker and towers.
    Last month, the station’s west coal bunker and tower were blown up…….When demolitions conclude in July, South Australia will no longer produce coal-powered electricity, marking a step forward in line with the state government’s plan for clean energy…Following the closure of the Port Augusta power plant in 2015, 185 jobs were lost for the local area, and power prices immediately spiked and was trailed by a period of blackouts.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2019 6:41 pm

    Tennis, NeeeeeeeeeeeL, Victoria being treated like Queensland’s fire ant plague “its your problem – not Australia’s …” As if fucking fire-ants know where the borders are … cane toads anyone?

    And people DIE in unit fires! Fuhrer Morrison! And some have to be Christians – where’s the LOVE … PRAYERS are no good when people DIE! They can’t fucking hear ’em!

    The Federal Government is HELL bent on creating chaos —- and pretending to manage it —- the concept is so old … but people still fall for it …

    NeeeeeeL!!!! It’s 2019 the dodgy Liberal/National Coalition Government has now been in dodgy “control” of our (ugh!) nation for over six years and a further three … Labor is just a spot on the horizon … unless a major crisis occurs and LNP will just disappear until the crisis is over and Labor take over … and dickwits/fuckwits/RWNJs/Murdoch press/dumb (in the true sense) journalists and .. you … vote the wankers back into wonky power … its Aussie history FFS … a bunch of dickwankers conning the dumb when everything’s hunky-dory and leaving the wicket when the balls are too fast!

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 6:50 pm

    dickwits/fuckwits/RWNJs/Murdoch press/dumb (in the true sense)

    Heavens TB, that’s an intreating view of the electorate. Is there any evidence to support your bland generalisation?

    As a matter of interest, a study was conducted in the UK of the relationship between IQ and voting

    Labour voters ranked as the least intelligent, then came Conservatives, then the Lib-Dems and Greens were the most intelligent voters. I suspect the pattern is similar here.

  67. July 16, 2019 7:36 pm

    “a study was conducted in the UK of the relationship between IQ and voting”

    Fascinating. Would you have a link to this study by any chance…?

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 7:41 pm

    There are some details here…

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/03/greenpolitics-liberaldemocrats

  69. Tony permalink
    July 16, 2019 7:45 pm

    Quote of the day: If you’re going through hell, keep going.

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 7:49 pm

    But does TB have anything to support his baseless assertion?

  71. July 16, 2019 7:52 pm

    Thank you ToM, I must say I’m impressed to see you arguing the case that Green voters are the most intelligent of all.

    Good on you.

  72. Tony permalink
    July 16, 2019 8:01 pm

    Greens elder ‘statesman’ Bob Brown has certainly demonstrated his intelligence. When a wind farm is proposed in his back yard he campaigns against it. I’m sure Greens voters would do the same, given the opportunity. #nimby

  73. July 16, 2019 8:17 pm

    Bob Brown is a bit of a tosspot tbh.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 9:00 pm

    Yes, Green voters are intelligent and well educated, the average IQ of their protests and cafe gatherings is high. Unfortunately Green voters are of little use to society.

  75. July 16, 2019 9:08 pm

    Keep it right up tunc. Somebody is going to find their gay arse booted out of the echo chamber of political correctness. lts cold out here. (-: (-: (-:

  76. Tony permalink
    July 16, 2019 10:43 pm

    Bonus quote of the day (BQOTD): Don’t look back. That’s not where you’re going.

  77. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 5:39 am

    If you’re going through hell, keep going.

    I call bullshit 😉

  78. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 5:51 am

    seems qanda is still providing a mouthpiece for anti Labor stunts

    You Need To Watch Linda Burney Schooling A ‘Q&A’ Boomer On Australia’s Racist Past

    https://junkee.com/linda-burney-q-a/213919

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2019 10:25 am

    There are some details here…

    A LINK! FMD! Things must be getting sofistikated around here …

    Is there any evidence to support your bland generalisation?

    You must be joking, or blind … mmm a blind surfer I’m sure I saw a story on you a few years ago?

    BTW is Trump a racist?

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 10:40 am

    The Andrews government could be heading for a serious industrial clash with 40,000 public servants demanding an extra week off work each year on top of a 3.5 per cent pay rise and boosted superannuation.

    The 3.5 per cent pay claim would see an employee on the service’s median wage of $83,000 get a pay boost of about $12,000 over the life of a three-year new agreement.

    The average cardigan wearing public servant is on $83,000 a year, and now they want an extra week off each year!!

    What planet do these people live on??

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/state-s-public-servants-demand-3-5-percent-pay-rise-and-extra-week-s-holiday-20190716-p527s7.html

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2019 10:48 am

    Of course Trump isn’t racist. Neither is Pelosi, AOC notwithstanding.

    However, there are plenty of racists saying he is.

  82. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 10:49 am

    yawn yomm

    This is the paper that lied, repeatedly, about the cfs dispute.

    Why you read it is beyond me.

    Oh yea, they hate Unions

  83. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 11:00 am

    Of course Trump isn’t racist

    Telling people born in the USofA to go back home ROFL

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2019 11:22 am

    Stupidity isn’t racism.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 11:52 am

    Right… the CFA dispute, I see the fire chief has resigned after an international executive search – another one. Just one year in the job.

    That must be half a dozen in the last few years.

    It must be a great organisation that the ALP government is overseeing.

  86. July 17, 2019 11:53 am

    Stupidity isn’t racism.

    No but the former is usually a prerequisite for the latter.

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2019 12:18 pm

    “””The average cardigan wearing public servant is on $83,000 a year, and now they want an extra week off each year!”””””

    You forgot to add 15.4% Super when most of the country gets 9%. Plus lots of those would be on defined benefit schemes with a pension for life. Don’t know when those DBS were stopped.

    Govt is a necessary evil but should de as small and efficient as possible. Trouble is human nature. Once a human gets access to taxpayer money he can always justify why he needs more.

  88. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 12:21 pm

    Stupidity isn’t racism.

    Wot reb said

    “Sorry judge, I’m too stupid to be a racist”

    It must be a great organisation that the ALP government is overseeing.

    I thought malcum had fixed it all?

    You know, like he fixed the nbn 😦

    regardless, it doesn’t change the perpetual LIES spouted by farfax over the years.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 12:32 pm

    Really? Wasn’t it you that suggested that the union intervention into the volunteer CFA was one of the outcomes of the RC into the bushfires?

    But please, provide the details of the reports of The Age you say are untrue. Links too.

  90. July 17, 2019 12:51 pm

    Know Knead Two Pan Nick .. during the 1970s, Greenland accumulated 47 gigatonnes of ice per year, on average. Then, it lost an equivalent volume in the 1980s. The melting continued at that rate in the 1990s, before a sharp acceleration in the 2000s (187 Gt/year) and even more since 2010 (286 Gt/year). .. the ice loss we’ve seen in the last eight years is as much as was lost in the preceding four decades

    @this`ll sort the primates out

  91. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:06 pm

    Wasn’t it you that suggested that the union intervention into the volunteer CFA was one of the outcomes of the RC into the bushfires?

    LINK

    (no idea what you even mean here, or why it has ANY relevance to malcum promising to fix shit during an election campaign, and then ………… doing jack shit)

    But please, provide the details of the reports of The Age you say are untrue. Links too.

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  92. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:16 pm

    It’s all Labor fault

  93. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:17 pm

    Stoopid is wot stoopid dus

    Instances of bigotry involving Donald Trump span more than four decades. The Atlantic interviewed a range of people with knowledge of several of those episodes. Their recollections have been edited for concision and clarity.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:19 pm

    Does the EBA have provisions that provide consult and agree?

    Withholding agreement is… a veto?

  95. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:33 pm

    er, did you read the link yomm?

    The 2010 MFB agreement, the 2016 proposed CFA agreement, and presumably the proposed 2018 MFB agreement, all stipulate that if consultation discussions do not result in agreement, the matter proceeds to external dispute resolution.

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:48 pm

    Well isn’t that an improvement on the previous version. And such an efficient way to run an organization

  97. Tony permalink
    July 17, 2019 2:03 pm

    News flash for those fretting about franking credits: Labor lost the election. Get over it.

  98. Tony permalink
    July 17, 2019 2:04 pm

    ‘Falling down is not a failure. Failure comes when you stay where you have fallen.’ ~ Socrates

  99. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 2:09 pm

    Well isn’t that an improvement on the previous version

    wtf are you rambling about.

    Or is this your way of sweeping away from the fact that our media lied, repeatedly, again, about union matters?

    Falling down is not a failure.

  100. July 17, 2019 2:56 pm

    about “ franking credits: Labor lost ” @their problem isn`t the franking credits. Devotionals of team dishwater like vickyR don`t understand the maths to win, or the factors that drive the maths. This always gives the teabags an extremely large advantage at the ballot.

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2019 3:41 pm

    The word “racism” has become devalued by its overuse as the epithet of choice of leftists so that it now means little more than “I disagree with you and I’m too dumb to put a rational argument.”

    It would be better applied to actual racists like Omar, Pressley and the like.

  102. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 4:03 pm

    “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

    We are now in Humpty land, when you cannot call a racist a racist, because that’s probably being …. racist?

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2019 4:22 pm

    Trump didn’t say anything racist! He was condemning racists but that doesn’t make him racist.

  104. Tony permalink
    July 17, 2019 7:10 pm

    ‘Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.’ ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

  105. July 17, 2019 7:56 pm

    while “ democracy seeks equality in liberty ” @sounds like crap tinfoil`osy. The teabags have been feverishly scribbling away the average citizens rights under the pretense of `security` every chance they get, while the dishwaters me-too, me-too`d right along with`em.

  106. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 9:32 pm

    He was condemning racists

    “Go back home to your own country” is ‘condemning racists’ GUFFAAWW

    in case you missed it 😉

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

  107. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 1:48 pm

    SJWs can choke on their faux outrage. What Trump did last week was good strategy – just as Sleazy Pelosi was trying to distance the slightly less crazed democrats form the flying monkey squad Trump got Pelosi to embrace and defend them.

    Normal people seem to understand. Trump’s approval rating went up four points in the last week, no doubt due at least in part to his tweets.

    Meanwhile racist brotherfucker Ilhan Omar has a 9% approval rating.

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 1:54 pm

    Alexis de Tocqueville speaks truth, Tony. Also, socialism is people lining up for bread. Capitalism is bread lining up for people.

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 1:54 pm

  110. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 3:02 pm

    ‘A theory which is not refutable by any conceivable event is nonscientific. Irrefutability is not a virtue of a theory (as people often think) but a vice.’ ~ Karl Popper

  111. July 18, 2019 3:19 pm

    Great Toon splats, kind of sums-up everything the Legacy FakeNews outlets have thrown at theRonald over the last four years. l can`t see more pelosi and the fossils running the dnc being an answer to anything myself, except going under the trump-train (again) in 2020. However the `show` will be spectacular and production rumors the fifth season may include theBoris making many guest appearances.

  112. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2019 3:20 pm

    So, George Washington should have just gone back to England?

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 3:27 pm

    Did I say that?

  114. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 4:09 pm

    Did George Washington hate America? His actions would say probably not. But that’s not to say he didn’t tell some British to go back from whence they came. Racist!

  115. Toot permalink
    July 18, 2019 5:01 pm

    l`m surprised you lot don`t have anything to say on theBoris replacing britannia`s dud leader.

  116. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2019 5:13 pm

    Well, the Brits were the Government, and je was simply pointing out issues as he saw them

  117. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2019 5:14 pm

    Well, the Brits were the Government, and je was simply pointing out issues as he saw them

  118. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 5:42 pm

    I think he did more than point them out. The War for Independence springs to mind.🤣

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 6:54 pm

    Also, socialism is people lining up for bread. Capitalism is bread lining up for people.

    And delusion is believing propaganda … 3000 Vet Diggers on the street … what’s that? Capitalist GREED!

    FYI … democratic socialism supports capitalism AND supporting its people … especially the people who give you to the right to spout your “values” … I have no idea why you are so obtuse but it must have been traumatic and I empathise …

    Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 1:54 pm

    Do you have links for that cartoon? Trump Rants does not qualify …

    BTW how many weapons do you own?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see ToSy is on the sauce again!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And finally a question to stir a minimum of intellectual movement in a few bowels … is the Pope racist … who established the Vatican and when?

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 7:07 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/18/how-good-are-jobs-scott-morrison-says-rejecting-calls-to-raise-newstart

    The problem with religious nutcases running a nation! Lack of LOVE and too many PRAYERS!

    Anyone who believes that 100% employment (with a minimum of one hour a week) is possible … needs a brain implant!

    Oddly enough when their world comes crashing down all politicians expects is empathy!

    Well … if the Happy Clappy has a problem … guess what!

    ‘Cause life has some miserable KARMA … if ya wanna be serious!

  121. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 7:19 pm

    I see ToSy is on the sauce again!

    I see TB Queensland’s still an insufferable old fool. 🙄

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 7:42 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/widow-stripped-of-her-50000-life-savings-for-putting-away-too-much-of-her-pension/news-story/5bafa7089bc1bde91b552658572535ad

    The difference between capitalism and socialism …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see TB Queensland’s still an insufferable old fool. 🙄

    The difference between having a joke and ageist comments …

  123. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 7:55 pm

    The difference between having a joke and ageist comments …

    Now that’s hilarious.

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2019 8:14 pm

    WTF??? Just who does Albanese think he is?

    There will be several on his front bench that now won’t have anything to say.

    Anthony Albanese has asked frontbench colleagues to stop branding their opponents “liars”, in a concerted new effort by the Labor leader to lift the standard of political discourse.

  125. July 18, 2019 8:14 pm

    I notice when citizens .. of a certain age group .. get all het-up .. and all-CAPS shouty .. the certain age group .. should well and truly .. know by now .. there is no fcuing answer .. what so ever .. from anything in clowntown .. on just about anything .. and should have by now .. developed a robust sense of humor .. and sit back and watch .. and enjoy .. the nonstop imbecile show .. instead of having .. a hernia ..

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:37 pm

    Now that’s hilarious.

    Ahh … you do have sense of humour

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:38 pm

    There will be several on his front bench that now won’t have anything to say.

    Won’t stop the lying tho’!

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:38 pm

    Interesting demographics of the voting behaviour of AFL supporters.

    I was looking at this stuff after watching the Adam Goodes documentary, which was confronting.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-26/vote-compass-a-how-do-fans-of-your-afl-team-lean-politically/5919062

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:41 pm

    Won’t stop the lying tho’!

    Of course TB, no one would expect someone of your old age era to change their ways

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:45 pm

    tbagaz (I know your yer being nice) … I have very few regrets in life … one was not taking to the streets during the American War (as the Vietnamese call it) …

    We have many issues today even more dangerous … this forum is my street marching …

    How can you “enjoy” political sewerage without complaining about the stench?

    And FYI … my health is excellent … age … FYI and others, is just a fucking number … build a bridge – get over it!

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:48 pm

    Of course TB, no one would expect someone of your old age era to change their ways

    FFS! ToM I expected better from you … if all you pricks have is ageist attack comments … that is a reflection our society …

    Really sad day here …

  132. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 10:31 pm

    Oh, the faux outrage! What a fucking hypocrite.

  133. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:19 am

    Just who does Albanese think he is?

    Theon Greyjoy?

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:47 am

    Talk about sky fairies! There is no such thing as democratic socialism!

    No socialist regime has ever been democratic. Not Valenzuela, not Cuba, China, Vietnam, North Korea, the Soviet Union, Romania, Albania, Poland, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia – none of them. Even if they start with a popular vote the democracy doesn’t last long. Venezuela is now about APCs mowing down protesters.

    Remember when a bunch of terminally stupid dumb-ass cnuts (i.e. Labor, Greens and unionists) joined Phlatulant Phil Adams in begging Chavez to bring his wonderful system to Australia. Fuckwits one and all!

    And don’t even try to call capitalist welfare states “socialist”. They’re not.

    “Democratic socialism” – the perfect example of magical thinking. Seek help.

  135. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:53 am

    I think you are mixing Socialism with Democratic Socialism

    Probably deliberately

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/democratic-socialist-countries/

    You didn’t mention countries like Germany, Greenland or Denmark etal

    You know, the ones performing quite well thank you (probably because they haven’t had the USofA hammering down on them for years, aka Valenzuela(?)

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:56 am

    And the most interesting point he makes about system in Debmark is that it is taxed twice as much as the US.

    Hands up everyone that wants to pay twice as much tax.

  137. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 9:32 am

    Hands up everyone that wants to pay twice as much tax.

    Well, if you get twice the amount of services ……………

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQetpyA16jCHR8-yvOe5FS2s7kNRd8PiTo0UMTqh04Nr41urOmYPA

  138. ivi permalink
    July 19, 2019 9:52 am

    (Hands up everyone that wants to pay twice as much tax.

    Yeah; we ain’t payin’ no stinkin’ Godwin’s law tax; merely for mentionin’ Drumpf’s latest and greatest tirade about women on the younger side who are/n’t Amerika‘s type began with…. )

  139. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 9:58 am

    Hands up everyone that wants to pay twice as much tax.

    I want to give 100% of my income to the government and let it provide me with everything I need want. I’m sure all those smart-sounding politicians can handle my money much more wisely than I ever could.

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:09 am

    Well, if you get twice the amount of services 

    Yes, it would be marvelous to have twice as msnt public servants on $83,000 (plus 15% super) all wanting an extra week off.

  141. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:25 am

    Well, if you get twice the amount of services ……………

    I’d like twice as big a house, twice as many cars, twice as long holidays, twice as many restaurant meals, twice as many overseas trips … let’s see, what else …

  142. ivi permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:55 am

    (… let’s see, what else …

    Twice as many synapses; to allow that some (political-)market-interventions, on their own, or, more usually, in combination with ‘tax cuts’, might be understood as (il)legitimate(d) transfers of (in)effective(ly privatise)d) taxations from a ‘We, the People’ demos to ‘screw you, Jack (and, appreciably more often, Jill), I’ve got (yours and) mine’ vested interests?)

  143. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 11:21 am

    Twice as many synapse

    lol

    watch it, he’ll be doing the ‘old’ shtick on you soon 😉

  144. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 1:06 pm

    I usually don’t bother translating Metatron Meta ivi. He(?) knows why. I prefer plain English. His ‘style’ is over complicated, IMO. He disagrees, evidently.

  145. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 1:37 pm

    IMO. He disagrees, evidently.

    Of course, the other interpretation is … They understand what a “service” is 😉

  146. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 1:59 pm

    He disagrees about plain English being preferable to his writing style. He and I have discussed it before.

    As for ‘services’ they can be whatever ‘we’ want them to be. If I am taxed 100% I want them to be all my needs and wants.

    On the other hand, If I pay zero tax I don’t want any services.

    Services could be optional, according to how much tax you (want to) pay.

  147. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 2:14 pm

    As for ‘services’ they can be whatever ‘we’ want them to be.

    yea, sure humpty

    Government Services are services provided by the Government that benefits all society, not just you

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service

    If I am taxed 100%

    Then you are being robbed, and you are also probably a fucken idiot. It could be argued that you are a fucken idiot for even bringing it into the debate

    If I pay zero tax I don’t want any services.

    Then you probably the one most in need of the services.

    Although, in this country, I challenge you to find anyone who sits within that category.

  148. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 2:19 pm

    It could be argued that you are a fucken idiot for even bringing it into the debate

    Is that what you think?

  149. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 3:09 pm

    No, I don’t think you are an idiot tosy

    But I think it was a fucken stupid thing to say

  150. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 3:19 pm

    Perhaps you deliberately missed my point. I did use the first person singular. “If I pay zero tax, I don’t want any services.”

    In other words, I wish I had that option.

  151. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 3:25 pm

    I’m sure ivi doesn’t use one of these, but it’s fun to try.

    http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/gobbledygook-generator-2.html

  152. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 3:47 pm

    I pay zero tax,

    Not to labor (sic) the point, but the stupid thing you said was

    If I am taxed 100%

    Although, I would still be interested in seeing those who are paying ZERO tax? 😉

  153. July 19, 2019 3:53 pm

    ( l always find it strangely amusing that there are folks that are happy to (treasury)spend 100-mill to oppose a 15-mill program. They never have any outrage at the fools that give 13-bill to corporate agriculture water(theft) or loading state/s(treasury) with billions in corporate/s construction liability/s. The fcuk-u Jack, l`ve got mine(and yours) won`t convince the ice(melt) to spare them. Glug(Glug.) Glug.)

  154. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 4:00 pm

    the stupid thing you said was If I am taxed 100%

    Again, you miss the point. (Why do I bother?)

    Hypothetically(!), If I was paying 100% tax I would expect 100% of my needs catered for. They would then be my ‘services’.

  155. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 4:08 pm

    Hypothetically

    lol

    They would then be my ‘services’.

    it’s our time lol

  156. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:02 pm

    ‘It is not that we have so little time but that we lose so much. … The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully.’ ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca,

  157. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:09 pm

    George Orwell was also a bit of a fan of plain English.

    http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit/

  158. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:19 pm
  159. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:37 pm

    I’ll try and keep it “precise” then tosy 😉

    You keep confusing “mine” with “ours”

  160. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:51 pm

    Yeah, I don’t think I used either word. But I may be missing your point.

  161. July 19, 2019 6:13 pm

    ( Listen-up pinkist. The argument against national health systems by (neo)teabags has always been; ” they are not worth treasury saving, nor their children, nor their species.”

    l concur.)

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2019 6:42 pm

    “… The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully.’

    Obviously some of “we” do …

    But I may be missing your point.

    Not an uncommon trait …

    BTW, the “small government” that you seem to support … does not mean “no government” … but, small government, does mean less services … like infrastructure – roads – hospitals -bridges – railways – dams – power – schools – hospitals that “we” all use (at some time in our lives) … obviously “youse” don’t need them in your hover cars … and self medicated condition … and common sense** learning …

    … hope you or yours never get sick, or run out of water (I’ve got 20000 litres), or you need to get to work to earn all those $$$$, or to spend all them $$$$, or need electricity to charge your Blackberry (they’re back BTW) ( I’ve got solar power and hot water too!) and if you ever pro-create and need your kids educated you’ll need a school or three (much better than home tutored), oh and thanks for reducing the income for my wife and child by 70%, so I could play green machine games in the “we” army for a Liberal government … certainly not “my” army … where were you when I needed “you” … ?

    If you don’t like a social democratic nation … as, James Rohn, said, “Move, yer not a tree” …

    Your comment demonstrate a the naivety of someone who has never lived or experienced life … “… The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully.’

    And seeing as how you like quotes …

    Selfish … adjective … (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one’s own personal profit or pleasure.

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2019 6:47 pm

    Once again, Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News has been a crucial component of the outrage in Washington this week. Its leading voices have, in the eyes of critics, gone all out to excuse the inexcusable, although some critics of Trump had appeared on the network.

    Murdoch is either dead … or should be …

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/19/trump-fox-news-ilhan-omar-attack

  164. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 6:57 pm

    so I could play green machine games in the “we” army for a Liberal government … certainly not “my” army … where were you when I needed “you” … ?

    Yes, yes, I know you did National Service. So did my father. His father’s brother served in WW11. And my mother’s father served in WW1. None of them boasted or complained about it.

    Where was I? I was not yet born.

    Any more questions?

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:03 pm

    … but, small government, does mean less services … like infrastructure – roads…. pen pushing public sevants earning a median salary of $83,000 (plus 15% super) and demanding an extra week off a year.

  166. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:04 pm

    ” Yeah, I don’t think I used either word”

    Yor arguments are littered with “I” and “my”

    Try using “us” and “ours” instead 😉

  167. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:07 pm

    “Pen pushing public sevants earning a median salary of $83,000”

    Is that a fact or did you read it in farfax?

  168. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:14 pm

    Yor arguments are littered with “I” and “my”. Try using “us” and “ours” instead 😉

    Ohhh. I get it. Talk about the collective rather than the individual. Wait. Isn’t that the very essence of socialism? The state over the individual?

    No thanks. I believe the individual is sovereign over his/her own life, not the state.

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:18 pm

    It looks like Fairfax underestimated it!!

    $92,500… that seems a lot to turn up in a cardigan, eat some tim tams, go to a meeting and take the afternoon off on flexitime.

    https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Salaries/public-servant-salary-SRCH_KO0,14.htm

  170. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:23 pm

    $92,500… that seems a lot to turn up in a cardigan, eat some tim tams, go to a meeting and take the afternoon off on flexitime.

    Nice! Do they make you retire? Because that sounds like a job to keep till they carry you out toes first.

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:38 pm

    Yes, the tim tams are a lure… has anyone ever met a skinny public servant? But the downside is that the meetings are with other public servants.

  172. July 19, 2019 7:58 pm

    Sorry tinfoil`osy, this quote/ poem/ whatever/ The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully. .. is pretty much crap in isolation/ without context. A baby dies soon after birth. Most would consider its life short, baby didn`t make it so, nor was baby wasteful. Sometimes quotes need background/ context, or they seem silly.

  173. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:00 pm

    If you don’t like a social democratic nation … as, James Rohn, said, “Move, yer not a tree” …

    You mean like Trump said to Teh Squad?

  174. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:13 pm

    Seneca was from Ancient Rome. I’m providing the quotes for interest’s sake. You can provide your own context.

    (What do they say now? Retweet is not endorsement, or something like that.)

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:37 pm

    “$92,500… that seems a lot to turn up in a cardigan, eat some tim tams, go to a meeting and take the afternoon off on flexitime.”

    That is an abomination. Plus 15.4% Super. No wonder all our manufacturing industries have gone. Govt is a necessary evil but is should be as small as possible.

  176. July 19, 2019 9:09 pm

    This week should we be celebrating; 1-moon landing 50-years ago, 2-mh17 5-years of FakeNews, 3-construction liability/s accumulation economy slide, 4-return of traditional industrial relations???

  177. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:00 pm

    No thanks. I believe the individual is sovereign over his/her own life, not the state.

    Yea, then fuck off move and live on an island. Until then, while you share the space with the rest of us, then try to remember that you are living in a society from which you have derived your standard of living.

    And that didn’t happen just because of you.

    Glass door yomm, you really are grasping.

    Although, I would imagine the salary of the average Public Servant would be elevated, since the libs have basically outsourced the majority of jobs, especially low paying ones, to private contractors.

    Which is working a treat obviously, since they won’t let us see the figures on their performance.

    But haven’t OUR services worked great in recent years?

    #robodebt, #medicarehacks, #censusfail, #cladding

    Yea, bring BACK the public servants, and put back that bloody RED tape that helped stop most of this rot.

  178. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:13 pm

    Yea, then fuck off move and live on an island. Until then, while you share the space with the rest of us, then try to remember that you are living in a society from which you have derived your standard of living.
    And that didn’t happen just because of you.

    I’m pretty sure it didn’t happen because of government. Governments don’t add anything to the GDP of a country. Nothing. They tax productive individuals and enterprises and redistribute those taxes to unproductive sectors of the economy.

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:14 pm

    TomR

    U believe what u want to believe. like all lefties you are most probably evil. U locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013 and u have never apologised.

    Thank goodness Shorten did not win govt. Then the locking up of kiddies would have started again. What an abomination the ALP is

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2019 8:49 am

    So Tom R what is the average salary for a public servant, if you are dismissve of that link?

    I’m fine with the median quoted in Fairfax of $83,000 (plus the 15% super)

    But of course that isn’t enough for those admin consumers of tim tams, they want an extra week off, because they work soooooo hard!!

  181. Tony permalink
    July 20, 2019 8:58 am

  182. Tony permalink
    July 20, 2019 8:05 pm

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2019 10:26 pm

    Private school bullies…

  184. July 21, 2019 12:52 pm

    I`m ” pretty sure it didn`t happen because of government. Governments don`t add anything

    Correct. Not for us LogCabin`rs in southYarra anyway. Just because those soft commies in moonee fcuking ponds have drainage, gas, sewer, piped fresh water, telecom, post, electric, paved roads and fancy footpaths does not mean this taxpayer funded extravagance should spread. Fetch your own water. Chop your own fire wood.

  185. ivi permalink
    July 22, 2019 6:34 am

    (Incorrect. No LogCabins! No AisleLands! No My Secret Valets! Asgardia, or Bust!)

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2019 9:04 am

    You didn’t mention countries like Germany, Greenland or Denmark”

    Wrong again! I actually linked to a statement from the Danish PM saying:

    “I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,”

    Again, no socialist countries are democratic. History says you can be one or the other. There are socialist countries that call themselves democratic such as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. That is about as close to democracy socialism gets.

  187. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2019 10:51 am

    I’m pretty sure it didn’t happen because of government. Governments don’t add anything to the GDP of a country.

    I suppose when you only have half a brain it’s much easier to ‘argue’ against half a quote.

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2019 11:17 am

    Yes and as the Danish PM said, all this only requires twice as much tax as the US (or Australia)

    That’s the way to prosperity! Twice as much tax, twice as many public servants…

  189. July 22, 2019 2:02 pm

    when “ you only have half a brain

    Don`t be so harsh on splatters, his quote is very reasonable. And you`re forgetting your traditional southYarra, LogCabin manners. Don`t we pride ourselves on everybody being allowed to express their own views, and folks being polite to each other and not abused. Aren`t we part of a broad church.

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2019 2:12 pm

    How old is the Vatican?

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2019 2:14 pm

    That’s the way to prosperity!

    Prosperity has many meanings … what do you mean?

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2019 2:56 pm

    Forget the SouthYarra, LogCabin manners. Guttertrash etiquette is the go here. Our world-class troll is given due respect (or lack thereof as required from time to time), we are usually polite to the proprietor unless the daft fucker is wrong again, leftists are variously pitied and pilloried (depending on their pertinacity and perversity) and rancorous old cnuts get called out for their flatulant logorrhea.

  193. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2019 3:39 pm

    lol splats, he pretty much described a Social Democratic state

    ““The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added. ”

    But you are right, they are not Socialist.

    But that obviously wasn’t what was being discussed, was it?

    I suppose when you only have half a brain it’s much easier to ‘argue’ against half a quote.

    I used the other half to work out that, if the country entered recession, GDP would tank, but, thanks to Government spending on infrastructure (which, doh, increases the GDP output), that didn’t happen

    Yes and as the Danish PM said, all this only requires twice as much tax as the US (or Australia)

    1 != 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

  194. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2019 3:49 pm

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2019 3:51 pm

    “Our … “? potty mouthed Johnny come lately … claims “membership” LOL!

    “My craziest prediction is that within the decade we’re going to see almost a revolutionary change in how we think about politics, social enterprise and the economy,” Dr Hames said, citing climate change and the widening gap between rich and poor as key catalysts.

    “Governments will seriously consider how they can put a cap on personal wealth, thus challenging the capitalist framework. We will shift our thinking away from growth at all costs to how humanity thrives without growth and even negative growth. Economists will say that’s impossible, but it isn’t if you look at more things than just the economy.”

    Dr Hames believes Nordic countries will be the first to make this shift, and “as always Australia will lag by up to a decade”.

    “We need to change our thinking so we burst through the threshold,” he said.

    “We’re in a gridlock at the moment, unable to solve the problems.”

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/futurist-who-predicted-911-and-the-gfc-says-there-will-be-a-global-crash-by-the-end-of-next-year/news-story/1cbfb302a172303db20ab62fe6251ac6

  196. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2019 3:54 pm

    I honestly can’t tell if he’s sarcastic or not half the time Tony

    One of the problems of being sarcastic most of the time 😉

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:04 pm

    “But that obviously wasn’t what was being discussed, was it?”

    The term TB used, and I was commenting on, Tom R, was “democratic socialism”.

    Socialism is an economic system that has failed every time it has been tried. Its modern boosters attempt to put lipstick on that disgusting pig by adding the word “democratic”. But that linguistic trickery cannot even begin to disguise the stench of the 100 million rotting corpses socialism as produced.

    There is no such thing as democratic socialism. People who bang on about it it are either delusional or full stupid!

    If you want to talk about capitalist states with high welfare, then just say so. For example we could discuss Sweden:

    “Sweden began rolling back government in the early 1990s, recapturing the entrepreneurial spirit that made it a wealthy country to begin with. High taxation and a generous array of government benefits are still around. But now it’s also a nation of school vouchers, free trade, open immigration, light business regulation, and no minimum wage laws.”

    If you want to talk about socialist states then all there is to talk about is poverty, misery and death.

    If you want to talk about democratic socialism then you are well into sky fairy territory.

  198. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:11 pm

    ““My craziest prediction is that within the decade we’re going to see almost a revolutionary change in how we think about politics, social enterprise and the economy,”

    Agreed. Crazy.

  199. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:21 pm

    But that linguistic trickery cannot even begin to disguise the stench of the 100 million rotting corpses socialism as produced.

    Linguistic trickery? Sounds like a Humpty to me.

    Socialism isn’t Communism. I think that once you get past that, we might be on our way somewere

    Socialism is also not Democratic Socialism

    Words mean something.

    “Democratic socialism describes a socialist economy where production and wealth are collectively owned, but the country has a democratic system of government. The goal of democratic socialism is to achieve socialist goals of equality while opposing socialist ideologies. Democratic socialism is opposed to the Soviet economic model, command economies and authoritarian governance.

    Under Democratic socialism, the ownership of private property is limited. The government regulates the economy. There are also different programs that offer assistance and pensions.

    There are democratic socialist parties located all around the world. The nations that have socialist parties include:”

    Of course, some take it to different degrees, everything has shades of grey.

    If you want to talk about socialist states

    Then we would be talking about Socialist states, not Democratic Socialist ones.

  200. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:29 pm

    Communism is a form of socialism. Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production.

    “Democratic socialism describes a socialist economy where production and wealth are collectively owned, but the country has a democratic system of government. “

    The problem is that this has never happened. Ever. Unicorns all the way down!

  201. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:31 pm

    Communism is a form of socialism.

    Yea, and Capitalism is a form of Fascism.

    Be realistic, and realise not everything is the extreme

    “everything has shades of grey.”

    Try and understand that concept.

  202. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:32 pm

  203. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:36 pm

    ‘Every woman has a right to have her scrotum waxed’

    https://t.co/PHv7vI1uKG

  204. July 22, 2019 4:37 pm

    More blather from LimitedNews teebz. Only for dopes. FFS. 911, ln 1972ish ntsb warned faa and other govt of, 1-airport security needed to be ramped-up 2-wall`n door between cabin and cockpit to be made much more impregnable. 912, faa and govt listened. _ theRonald, theBoris, our weak corrupt govt gutting corporate lackies couldn`t lead their way out of a wet paper bag. Obvious, self-evident shit. Not much of a `guru`.

  205. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:48 pm

    “Yea, and Capitalism is a form of Fascism.”

    That is definitely not true. You are out of your depth here. Even TB makes more sense than you!

    “everything has shades of grey.” Socialism is pure evil. It has failed every time it has been tried. Wealthy societies rely on market economies to produce their wealth. That is how the vast majority of humanity has been lifted out of abject poverty.

    If people want to argue the merits of having a larger or smaller welfare net, that is fine. But if they want to impose socialism they are evil.

    The worst cancer of the human soul is to believe that you have the answers and if only you can get enough power to implement them the world will be a better place.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:53 pm

    * the world happiness index… interesting and it shows about nil correlation between the government tax take and happiness

    But what it does demonstrate is that citizens of western democracies are the happiest. Whether the government occupies 25% or 50% of the GDP people are happy with the western democratic model.

    And interestingly that won’t stop left types from complaining about western democracy at every opportunity.

  207. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2019 4:58 pm

    and it shows about nil correlation between the government tax take and happiness

    No, but even a guy as bright as you could see that the countries you rail against for their debilitating taxes are at the top, right?

    That is definitely not true

    Perhaps you need to read a bit more about how a certain party came to power in 1930’s, and how they leveraged private industry for state purposes, and how their biggest enemies were the Communists and the Unions.

    Socialism is pure evil.

    Sounds like something they’d say 😉

  208. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2019 5:04 pm

    Sounds like something they’d say”

    Is that why they named themselves Socialist?

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2019 5:06 pm

    they leveraged private industry for state purposes”

    That is precisely why they are socialist – their ownership of the means of production was very real but indirect.

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2019 5:09 pm

    I think the Scandinavian countries are sensational… for a visit… but if you look at this, what is the link between government spending and happiness?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending#As_a_percentage_of_GDP

    I’d suggest it has more to do with history of social cohesion

  211. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2019 5:22 pm

    So yomm, are you saying that the Scandinavian countries are hoarding all of this 2XUS tax, or are not helping tosy, and Government spending CAN in fact be great for GDP

    Is that why they named themselves Socialist?

    They named themselves socialist for the same reason the North Koreans call themselves Democratic. The Nazis were masters of propoganda

    in 1933, he introduced policies aimed at improving the economy. The changes included privatization of state industries, autarky, and tariffs on imports

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2019 5:33 pm

    1, There is no relationship between ranking on the happiness index and government spending, as a percentage of GDP

    2. There is no relationship between standard of living ($ per capita) and government spending, as a percentage of GDP

    So… on what basis do you and TB wish to move to the high tax model that you both admire?

  213. Tom R permalink
    July 22, 2019 5:50 pm

    government spending, as a percentage of GDP

    Is there a difference between the Scandinavian countries and the usofa on that measure yomm?

  214. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2019 6:35 pm

    ‘In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.’ ~ Confucius

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2019 6:39 pm

    Have a look at tax as a percentage of GDP too

  216. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2019 7:11 pm

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2019 7:40 pm

    Waxing her balls !! What right does anyone have to refuse to do that??

    One day I’ll be telling my grandchildren that people used to be allowed to refuse to wax a woman’s scrotum. They won’t believe it!

  218. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2019 9:07 am

    Wax my testicles”

    FMD! This sick fuck is trying to put 16 women out of business because it is suffering from gender dysphoria and a bad case of looney leftist activism:

    “The suggestion that these Canadian female waxers are ‘transphobes’ because they refused to wax a dick confirms the cynical, sinister nature of that term ‘transphobic’. It really is just a way to demonise and punish anyone who refuses to bow down to the ideology of genderfluidity. It is stick used to beat those who refuse to buy into the Orwellian notion that war is peace, freedom is slavery, and a penis can be female. You can now be a bigot simply for believing in reality itself, in this case that people with penises are not women. Pressuring women to handle male genitalia against their will is dreadful and it suggests woke politics has now crossed the line from irritating to disgusting.”

  219. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2019 10:44 am

    I know you wanted it, so here it is 😉

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2019 11:43 am

    And good on Mack Horton for making a stand on drug taking. I really don’t understand how anyone could think his behaviour is inappropriate, all he did was choose not to join a drug cheat on a podium.

  221. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2019 1:48 pm

    This is pure racism. The Chinese swimmer has served his time and is now allowed to compete. Horton might make his point more cogently by winning not whining.

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2019 2:36 pm

    The worst cancer of the human soul is to believe that you have the answers …

    And you do … I see … if capitalism is not controlled it is no different to the command system uncontrolled … the poor remain poor the rich get richer …

    Ignore the name calling and fix the problems …

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2019 2:54 pm

    The Chinese swimmer has served his time and is now allowed to compete.

    Technically true … and FINA has to maintain “order” …

    However …

    Sun, who served a 2014 doping ban, has been allowed to compete ahead of a Court of Arbitration for Sport hearing in September that may end the Chinese star’s career.

    Sun has been accused of smashing vials of his blood with a hammer during a clash last year with testers.

    He faces a lifetime ban if found guilty.

    I think I’d be pissed off under the circumstances … a gold medal! If Horton is awarded it later this year … it will always be tarnished …

    “Racism”? … is everything extreme with you? It’s actually about cheating … and drug use …

    I believe Horton has the right to freedom of expression … does FINA have any regulations about “having” to climb the podium … he could have told them he had vertigo? 🙂

  224. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2019 2:56 pm

    I think if Horton had abused the swimmer on religious grounds, all would be fine 😉

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2019 3:11 pm

    The boss of health insurance provider NIB has called on the government to scrap Medicare and institute compulsory private coverage for all Australians.

    Mark Fitzgibbon made the stunning pitch in an opinion piece in today’s Australian Financial Review, calling on the country to adopt a similar healthcare model to the United States.

    He said health insurers faced a growing crisis due to skyrocketing costs and described the Medicare system as a “government monopoly”.

    “(The) sensible policy approach would be to make private health insurance compulsory for all Australians with taxation devoted to subsidising the premiums for those who would otherwise be left behind,” Mr Fitzgibbon wrote in the business newspaper.

    “That is, high-income earners would at one end of the scale pay the entire premium while at the other, those with low income fully subsidised.”

    My bold … LOL! LOL!

    Yep, heading for the 51st State of the USofA … this system works so well over there … hey?

    Private super companies are so much better than industry or member companies … not!

    Highlights the “extremes” of capitalism and social responsibility (notice the phrase “government monopoly”?) … health of citizens of Australia is a “government responsibility” not a profit centre for shareholders* …

    *Disclaimer: We were members of NIB before it was privatised (no survey, no GM Notice), we just recieved a letter … advising that we would be given 800 shares … we sold at a profit and moved to a non-profit health insurance …

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2019 3:12 pm

    “That is, high-income earners would at one end of the scale pay the entire premium while at the other, those with low income fully subsidised.”

  227. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2019 3:36 pm

    The bolded bit sounds remarkably like medicare under a proper taxation system

    They just want the tax dollars to go to them rather than …. the system

  228. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2019 5:32 pm

    “Yep, heading for the 51st State of the USofA … this system works so well over there … hey?”

    I think it works OK. I was told nobody is ever turned away. It is also the place where wealthy people travel because the USA system is much better than elsewhere

    BTW that Fitzgibbon fellow is the brother of the ALP politician.

  229. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2019 5:40 pm

    BTW that Fitzgibbon fellow is the brother of the ALP politician.

    How does that make you not a dickhead?

    I mean, his brother is.

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2019 6:25 pm

    NEEEEEEEL! Research, research, research … this is why people call you names …

    The United States as a whole does not have a fully implemented universal health care system, but about 92% of its citizens have health insurance coverage as of 2017.[33] Massachusetts became the first state to mandate universal health insurance in 2006.[34]

    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) as amended by the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, sought to have expanded insurance coverage to legal residents by 2014.[35] Full implementation of the ACA was blocked when some states refused to implement Medicaid expansion that would have increased subsidies of moderately low-income households. From the enactment of the ACA in 2010 until at least 2017, the portion of U.S. residents without health insurance has been decreasing.[36]

    The ACA provides for federally mandated health insurance to be implemented in the United States during the 2010–2019 decade with the federal government subsidizing legal resident households with income up to 400% of the Federal poverty level.[37] This threshold varies according to state and household size, but for an average family of four, subsidies would be available for families whose income was about $88,000 or lower.[38] In June 2010 adults with pre-existing conditions became eligible to join a temporary high-risk pool.[39] In 2014, applicants of the same age began to be able to obtain health insurance at the same published rate regardless of health status — the first time in U.S. history that insurers no longer had the right to load the premium or deny coverage prior to contract, or cancel a policy after contract due to an adverse health condition, or test result indicating that one may be imminent.

    How easy would it be for people to pay tax to the Federal Government and EVERYONE is covered … at any hospital in the country (some US citizens are turned away because they do not have private insurance) …

    Let’s get rid of police officers and we all pay for security guards … or go back to the old system of having fire insurance plaques on the wall of your home … no fire insurance plaque – no fire fighters …

    Australia had the system worked out pretty well in the 50/60/70’s and then the Yankee profit from anything, anywhere virus hit … and two generations were fucked!

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2019 6:31 pm

    So… on what basis do you and TB wish to move to the high tax model that you both admire?

    The successful Nordic basis …

    I paid taxes in the high 40’s as a small business owner and never whinged and whined like some here … I knew my parents and kids and other people’s parents and kids were being taken care in health and education …

    We now have a private aged care that is all about ripping money off the most vulnerable and a national education system that can’t train kids to spell correctly … and that’s just two of the issues with shareholder wealth generation!

  232. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2019 6:34 pm

    “Australia had the system worked out pretty well in the 50/60/70’s and then the Yankee profit from anything, anywhere virus hit”

    I am not sure what your point is. I think you may have shot yourself in the foot. Gough Whitlam/ALP changed the system we had in the 50/60/70’s. I was not really around then so I am not sure how it worked but I would think it was more similar to the American system than what we have today

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2019 6:59 pm

    So TB you think it’s all about the marginal tax rate you mighthave paid?

    In Australia someone on the average income will pay a little over 20% of their income as income tax.

    In Demark they will pay about 50% of their income as income tax.

    So you’re proposing a system that has the average worker pay twice as much tax.

  234. July 23, 2019 7:31 pm

    The “ successful Nordic basis

    By all means admire it teebz, who doesn`t. But it would be delusional to believe it could be transplanted in Aust, and by that l mean any of the successful gold standard nordic programs. For example, when nords go to their village shopping center, they toss their carryBags and box of recyclable trash in the boot, at the shopping center nords place bottles in bottleBins, cans in canBins and plastic in another bin. Then go shopping with their own carryBags. All this is considered `normal` and no big deal to nords (see warOnWaste) But here it is blown into super-hard hysteria. That`s just `recycle` and `carryBags`. No hope for say finland style education, etc.

  235. July 23, 2019 8:18 pm

    Haw! Haw! On my abc24 8pm-to 9pm is britannia`s new prime meddler.

    Here comes theBoris _ Toot toot for Hunt.

  236. July 23, 2019 9:18 pm

    Too Late for teabagPanic now tuncs.

    theBoris Has Landed !!!!

  237. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2019 6:00 am

    “So you’re proposing a system that has the average worker pay twice as much tax”

    Or where citizens get ten times as much 😉

    https://www.health.com/depression/8-million-americans-psychological-distress

  238. July 24, 2019 8:33 am

    “The front-runner to become Britain’s next prime minister is a portly white man with unkempt blond hair, an adoring base of supporters, disdain for Europe, a dodgy private life and a loose relationship with truth and principle,” the New York Times editorial board wrote last month. “There are also differences between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump.”

    lol…

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49050937

  239. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2019 8:47 am

    As I saw on twitter reb, this paring makes it difficult for satirists. The only solution for satirizing the two together, is having two people carrying on a lucid conversation

  240. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2019 9:26 am

    There is no comparison. Trump is a very stable genius. Doris is a frump not a Trump.

  241. Tony permalink
    July 24, 2019 9:32 am

    “The front-runner to become Britain’s next prime minister is a portly white man with unkempt blond hair, an adoring base of supporters, disdain for Europe, a dodgy private life and a loose relationship with truth and principle,” the New York Times editorial board wrote last month.

    They say that like it’s a bad thing.

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2019 9:39 am

    Australia had the system worked out pretty well in the 50/60/70’s and then the Yankee profit from anything, anywhere virus hit … and two generations were fucked

    TB- what are you talking about? I am not sure what the health system in Australia was like back in those days. Does anybody know what it was ? But I do know Whitlam changed things. I suspect it was more like the USA health system is now.

    And the USA system is not as bad as people make out. Apparently if you don’t have health insurance you are not turned away if you need health care

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2019 9:49 am

    So you’re proposing a system that has the average worker pay twice as much tax.

    There you go again …

  244. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2019 10:15 am

    Doris is only the warm-up act for Nigel Farage who will sweep to victory when Doris fails to deliver.

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2019 11:18 am

    I see TB, so maybe explain how your personal tax rate, at some point in the past apparently, is relevant to your desire that we follow the Nordic model, with their typical tax take of twice that of Australia?

    How much more tax do you think we should pay?

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2019 3:02 pm

    I’d be happy with a 20% across the board … no deductions no special cases … no tiers …

  247. July 24, 2019 3:20 pm

    You`re under estimating theBoris splats, at yesterdays team meeting the votes were 2-to-1 for theBoris, hunt got trump-train`d along with theresa. When it comes to theNigel he will be backing theBoris crash out and theNigel can`t take over as he isn`t in team teabag. They are also friendly theRonald, theBoris, theNigel. Not a blib stooten among them.

  248. July 24, 2019 3:54 pm

    be “ happy with a 20% across the board

    So now you`re sharing a teabag delusion and joined the herds of imbecile grazing the kooyong plains. Anybody with the slightest common sense would know you can`t really pick any kind of number while treasury/s are being loaded with construction liability/s and obsolete wireCo infrastructure or being pissed away buying 13-bill of (non)existing water. But hey, that`s a fine bit of stick fetching!

  249. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2019 4:02 pm

    TB

    Since you have not replied I can only assume you have told a falsehood. We did have a health system in the 50/60/70’s. I have been told it worked well. In the early 1970’s Gough Whitlam/ALP changed the system we had.

    I believe the system we had in the 50/60/70’s was similar to what the USA has now. What did Whitlam do to make the older system better?

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2019 4:18 pm

    This week, the Government is introducing the Ensuring Integrity Bill to Parliament.

    This will give courts the power to disqualify officials. It will mean courts have the power to cancel registration of organisations where they: don’t work in the interests of their members; commit serious offences; or have a record of law-breaking.

    This will help ensure vital infrastructure (like hospitals, schools and roads) is affordable.

    Regards,

    Christian Porter
    Minister for Industrial Relations

    So what? We-e-ll … history does repeat itself often … if ignored …

    May 2, 1933
    Nazis seize control of trade unions
    Storm Troopers (SA) and police occupy the offices of trade unions. Trade union officials and activists are terrorized. The trade unions’ records are impounded and their assets seized. The unions are forcibly merged with the Nazi organization, the German Labor Front. Independent labor representation is thus abolished.

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2019 4:22 pm

    I have been told it worked well. WTF???

    Anybody with the slightest common sense would know you can`t really pick any kind of number

    teebagz, I’ve actually worked in a country under that tax system … it is arbitrary I agree … but that’s for Treasury to figure out …

    Common sense ain’t so common (in fact there is no such thing!)

  252. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2019 4:42 pm

    TB

    We had a health system in the 50/60/70’s. My aged relatives told me it worked well. When Saint Gough was elected he wanted to make everything free. So Whitlam socialised lots of things. He made healthcare free, University education free. But we had a healthcare system before Gough. I am not old enough to comment on what it was or how well it worked. I am guessing that the poor were looked after and the well off had private insurance. But I do not know.

    Since you seem to know about these things perhaps you could tell me what our system was in the 1950’s, 60’s, 70’s?

  253. July 24, 2019 5:29 pm

    in “ fact there is no such thing! ” @common-sense

    Wow! Denial. Now you`re joining the folks that deny the existance of weather, gravity, physics and planet roundness. l`m sure you have some self-impressive managementyWaffle you base this on. lt must be a great yarn.

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/common-sense

    collins ” Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way.”

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2019 6:55 pm

    TB doesn’t like catlicks and thinks regulation of unions is what nazis do. Hilarious!!

    Ever heard of Solidarity?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union)

  255. Tony permalink
    July 24, 2019 8:30 pm

    ‘Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.’ ~ Mark Twain

  256. July 24, 2019 10:45 pm

    I’m currently suffering from very bad toothache.

    2x Panadol with 2 x Nurofen every hour doesn’t seem to be helping.

    Any suggestions?

    (I’m think of just taking to my teeth with a pair of pliers)

  257. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2019 8:16 am

    As twitter said reb, Cloves

    They smell and taste like shit, but, whats a smell and taste when compared to toothache

    Smother that shit on!

    I mean, you can always wash the taste down with bourbon 😉

  258. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2019 8:32 am

    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect

    I AGREE!
    ..
    ..
    ..
    wait 😯 ❓

  259. July 25, 2019 12:06 pm

    “As twitter said reb, Cloves”

    Thanks you Tom, however I called in the artillery and went to see “Doctor Feel Good” this morning and he sent in some serious reinforcements..!

    I’m now feeling fkn fantastic!

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2019 1:03 pm

    There’s nothing like a dentist with a huge hypodermic needle and a 3/4 inch drill to take worry out of a tooth ache!

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2019 1:10 pm

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-25/politician-accused-of-hotel-damage-in-canberra/11344948

    So this (ALP) politician got bothered because he couldn’t get his bag. So he broke the door. Who here hasn’t broken a hotel door or a reception desk when things haven’t quite turned out as expected??

    It’s the normal reaction of a very important person doing very
    important stuff.

  262. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2019 1:51 pm

    Whatever “poison” works reb 😉

  263. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2019 2:34 pm

    Guffaw!

  264. July 25, 2019 2:50 pm

    Halfwit doesn`t like prevention and thinks regulation of airlines is what commies do. Hilarious!!

    Ever heard of 9.11?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Airlines_Flight_523

    wiki ” Also, in February 1974, a man named Samuel Byck attempted to commandeer a plane at Baltimore Washington International Airport with the intention of forcing the pilots to fly into Washington and crash into the White House to kill the President.”

  265. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2019 3:39 pm

    Also, Woman plans wedding to her favourite chandelier
    .

    I know men are keen on sex with animals and inanimate objects but it may be that women more prone to marry them.
    Vive la differénce, I guess.

  266. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2019 4:11 pm
  267. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2019 4:24 pm

    Edouard Manet, A bar at the Folies-Bergère

  268. July 25, 2019 5:04 pm

    Great find tinfoil`osy. l too share your guffaw on feeble old mueller, moore sums-up both mueller and the fossilized pelosi Dems excellently. l totally enjoyed the mueller-senate and theBoris news clips last night (-:

    ____

    Get ya dentist to yank the tooth before ya happy pills wear off reb

  269. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2019 5:22 pm

  270. July 25, 2019 9:17 pm

    And ” he caused a minor scene at Canberra restaurant Madam Woo on Tuesday, where he was attending the Victorian Right`s regular pow wow.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/cbd/bill-shorten-s-dinner-dummy-spit-leaves-a-sour-taste-20190724-p52aej.html

    On the way in, Shorten stopped by a table where Network Ten`s Peter van Onselen was dining

    Ever sensitive about his portrayal in the media, Shorten was unhappy about a line in PVO`s news bulletin in which he asked whether Labor really wanted Shorten asking questions in Question Time.

    As far as slights go, it was barely perceptible. But that didn’t stop Shorten getting stuck into PVO about the `cheap-shot` in front of the whole table.

    ____

    @-Okay Team Fans, does anybody really believe the ghost of blib stooten and other knifers, haunting the team and spoiling their fresh start under albo, will get the team over the line next time.

  271. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2019 9:06 am

    Try and keep up cardboard counter, the loss had little to do with Labor, and all to do with palmer.

    Proof of that is is the way the media have refused to examine his role at all.

    I mean, a guy spends over $50 million on advertising, sets up puppet candidates across the country, most who had no chance of winning, but all who bled votes from Labor and gave them to the libs, is helped by the libs, advertises for the libs, and our media go ‘meh’

  272. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2019 9:25 am

    In non news

    Power prices would be lower under emissions trading scheme

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/amazonian-rainforest-near-unrecoverable-tipping-point?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Every time you whinge about power prices, remember, the biggest culprits are libs voters, and Green voters. And the biggest single culprit is abbott

  273. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 10:12 am

    I mean, a guy spends over $50 million on advertising, sets up puppet candidates across the country, most who had no chance of winning, but all who bled votes from Labor and gave them to the libs, is helped by the libs, advertises for the libs, and our media go ‘meh’

    What laws did he break?

  274. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 10:12 am

  275. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2019 10:23 am

    What laws did he break?

    #WTF!

  276. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 11:21 am

    #WTF!

    In other words, why should the media be interested?

    It’s only sore losers who care.

  277. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2019 11:30 am

    why should the media be interested?

    A massive upset occurrred in an election of the government (you know, the people who make laws, and who are currently attacking …. the media (jesus wpet)

    The media spent barrels of ink postulating on what Labor did wrong

    They studiously ignored the elephant in the room

  278. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 11:35 am

    Like I said … 🙄

    Here’s an idea. Why don’t you go over to the AEC website and study the preference flows. That way you’ll be able to come back with facts and figures rather than just speculating about where Palmer’s preferences went. And before you ask why don’t I do it, it’s because I couldn’t give a shit. The election’s over and Labor lost!

  279. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2019 11:56 am

    “Blame the media”

    Why is it that ALP barrackers think voters are manipulated n the media but they alone have the intellectual strenght to resist the manipulation?

    It’s a particularly arrogant argument.

  280. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2019 11:57 am

    That way you’ll be able to come back with facts and figures

    Soooo

    I should do the journalists job?

  281. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 12:09 pm

    Soooo
    I should do the journalists job?

    Why not? Once you know what you are talking about have gathered your facts you can start an informed campaign. You could be one of those citizen journalists I keep hearing about.

    Until then you’re just pissing in the wind.

  282. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2019 1:13 pm

    Until then you’re just pissing in the wind. pointing out how fucked our media is 😉

  283. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 1:44 pm

    pointing out how fucked our media is

    You can keep bawling like s little baby complaining, or actually do something about it – like proving how Palmer’s preferences were the difference between Labor winning or losing.

    Pretty sure I know which one you’ll end up doing.

  284. July 26, 2019 5:44 pm

    But none of that is what l asked team cheerer. What l`m showing is blib stooten is remaining a `topic` (as are any other remaining knifers) and is sucking oxygen from a `fresh` start under albo. The memberships dream team of albo and plib is not being run either. Do you want to keep running the blib stooten experiment?

    ____

    the way “ the media have refused to examine

    the winning of 70-dud leader poles by blib stooten

    ( before voters drove the trump train over the lot of them, its all twitters fault !!)

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2019 6:44 pm

    Wow! Denial. Now you`re joining the folks that deny the existance of weather, gravity, physics and planet roundness.

    Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way.”

    Based upon what? Yout (sic) referral to “existance (sic) of weather, gravity, physics and planet roundness” is a good example … we’re you born with knowledge of all those things – or did you experience and learn about them … common-sense does not exist, it implies that you should “know” things but we don’t … ’tis a nonsense

    Here’s a clue … observation, learned behaviour, practised skill, education and experience are not commonsense … as a child you “literally” know nothing … seems many adults fall into the same category …

    Common sense is a “get out” clause for ignorance … “Oh, I didn’t know that?”

    l`m sure you have some self-impressive managementyWaffle you base this on.

    And the more personal sniping you attempt makes you look like an uneducated twit … (it’s simply common sense 🙂 )… and a member of the bully mob … that’s learned experience BTW …

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2019 6:56 pm

    There is so much twattle here its really difficult to discuss any common – sense, commonsense, common sense issues …

    As the world falls apart around you’re ears … surely that’s common sense … or is it, common-sense … or, hang on, commonsense?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToM

    Ever heard of Solidarity?

    Absolutely! I grew up in that era – remember! And I supported them!

    Any EXTREME of government LEFT of RIGHT is WRONG …

    And for your edification …

    July 20, 1933
    Adolf Hitler signs concordat (agreement) with the Catholic Church
    A treaty between the German government and the Vatican (the highest authority in the Roman Catholic church) guarantees Catholics the freedom of private religious practice, but dissolves Catholic political and trade union organizations. The Vatican (which had the status of a sovereign state) was the first state to recognize formally the legitimacy of Adolf Hitler’s government. Despite the treaty, the Nazis continue to persecute Catholic religious and cultural organizations, priests, and schools.

    This Fascist/Communist argument is wrong – particularly in Australia … most of us a centrist … but the world is heading for 1939 at break neck speed … forget history at your peril …

    BTW did anyone answer my question about The Vatican City State? No? It was sanctioned by Benitto Mussolini in 1929 (the Father of Fascism – and trains running on time – apparently) …

    Beware what you wish for!

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2019 6:58 pm

    I know men are keen on sex with animals and inanimate objects but it may be that women more prone to marry them.
    Vive la differénce, I guess.

    Makes you one sick puppy!

  288. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2019 7:38 pm

    And I supported them!

    So did the Pope and the CIA. Opposing them were left union leaders, like Arthur Scargill.

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2019 8:09 pm

    TB

    When did private health insurance start in Australia? My understanding is that BG ie before Gough the poor were looked after and the wealthy had private health insurance or something like that. Then Whitlam came along and socialised medicine.

    It was Whitlam/ALP who changed the health system we had in the 50/60/70’s which I am told worked very well.

    Does anybody know what Gough actually did because TB refuses to answer?

  290. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 8:12 pm
  291. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2019 8:21 pm

    (Pope)Francis praised unions on spiritual grounds, calling them “prophetic” institutions that give “a voice to those who have none, denounces those who would [as in the Biblical Book of Amos] ‘sell the needy for a pair of sandals’ … unmasks the powerful who trample the rights of the most vulnerable workers, defends the cause of the foreigner, the least, the discarded. … But in our advanced capitalist societies, the union risks losing its prophetic nature, and becoming too similar to the institutions and powers that it should instead criticize.”

    He also criticized the idea of a purely “market economy,” praising instead a “social market economy” balancing the goals of business with care for those “outside the walls” of industry, meaning those denied work by physical infirmity or condition, or those who, as immigrants, do not have the right to work.

    “The capitalism of our time does not understand the value of the trade union,” Francis added, “because it has forgotten the social nature of the economy, of the business.”

    Hilarious!! He sounds like TB!! But maybe more articulate

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2017/6/29/15887710/pope-francis-called-labor-unions-prophets

  292. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 8:27 pm

    “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.” ~ Adam Smith

  293. July 26, 2019 8:32 pm

    I can`t help it if you dislike collins definition of common sense teebz. By all means select another dictionary, they too will show common sense exists, by including it.

    Based upon what? ” Well l can`t mindread the dictionary folks but perhaps the folks at collins should have added to the end of their definition; based on life experience and knowledge. Just to placate you.

    seems ” many adults fall into the same category” @Tick

    clue .. ” observation, learned behaviour, practised skill, education and experience are not commonsense” & “did you experience and learn about them .. common-sense does not exist, it implies that you should `know` things”

    @-Says Who? The same managementyWafflers that peddle `merit` by any chance? Who the fcuk says some of that does NOT go into making up one`s common sense?

    Commonly speaking common sense has been a verbal phrase commonly spoken for a commonly long time among the commonly known people among commonly known areas and commonly known regions amid commonly known trades and commonly known skill sets and commonly known classes of people, which is commonly known!

    But then there is the self-impressive managementyWaffle.

    Common sense is a “get out” clause for management ignorance and weakness and used to berate underlings seeking instruction etc

  294. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2019 9:07 pm

    Well I have been blocked from twitter again. leftists are evil

  295. ivi permalink
    July 26, 2019 10:09 pm

    (Anthropologists, sociologists and linguists have sometimes studied “linguistic masking“.)

  296. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2019 10:33 pm

    What’s your twitter handle Neil? I’ll see what I can do.😉

  297. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2019 11:11 pm

    Well that is weird. I have been temporally suspended but I can post in 11 hours time. I guess some leftie complained. I will go to bed and hopefully I will be back in action in the morning

  298. July 26, 2019 11:16 pm

    ( Carefull. Mixing marks theory with common terms and slang would be as sane as mixing trickle down teabag theory with mathematics. Effectively.)

  299. Tony permalink
    July 27, 2019 5:03 am

    Fascinating. Boris explains Churchill’s rhetorical style:

  300. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2019 9:28 am

    Interesting reports that the Vic anti corruption commission is looking at the deals between the government and the UFU.

    Rich pickings there

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2019 9:44 am

    March 5, 1933
    Nazis fail to win majority in Reichstag (German parliament) elections
    Despite the state of emergency declared in February 1933 and the extraordinary powers assumed by Adolf Hitler, the Nazis fail to win a governing majority in parliamentary elections. The Nazis win only about 45 percent of the vote. Later in March 1933, Hitler introduces a bill that would give his government the power to decree laws without submitting them to a vote in the German parliament. The bill will pass, in part because of the arrest of many Communist and Socialist opponents before the vote on the bill.

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2019 9:49 am

    A new group of prominent ex-judges and anti-corruption experts has warned that national security is being used to clamp down on whistleblowers and journalists on an unprecedented scale.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/27/national-security-being-used-to-stifle-public-interest-journalism-former-judges-warn

    March 13, 1933
    Joseph Goebbels heads Reich Propaganda Ministry
    Joseph Goebbels, one of Adolf Hitler’s most trusted associates, is appointed to head the Reich Ministry for Popular Enlightenment and Propaganda. This agency controls the writing and broadcast of all media (newspapers, radio programs, and movies) as well as public entertainment and cultural programs (theater, art, and music). Goebbels integrates Nazi racism and ideas into the media.

  303. July 27, 2019 3:31 pm

    Oh good .. somebody else can hear the goosestepping too .. by using their sense of bleedin` obvious .. no doubt .. theft is investment .. any data on this in the memory hole .. what year is it winston.

  304. Tony permalink
    July 27, 2019 5:46 pm

  305. July 27, 2019 5:54 pm

    ( Terms Of Service .. Are a Wonderful Thing.)

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2019 6:48 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/small-business/something-has-to-give-chef-claims-most-restaurants-arent-making-any-money-on-ubereats-and-deliveroo/news-story/2cfd4852fb8a119f9c1ac20609789a65

    Doncha, luv, modern capitalism … monsters eating the locals … and the dumbies feeding the frenzy … stupid is as stupid does …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Reminds me of this wonderful directive from Churchill demanding brevity in intergovernmental reports.

    Reminds me of a typical right wing government … having said that I made a lot of money taking superfluous words and phrases out of training and business documents … however, “autocratic instructions” are … instructions … no how, why, what …

    bearing in mind our present “economic leaders” spend a lot of money on reviews and reports that never seem to be actioned …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well I have been blocked from twitter again … leftists are evilI (sic) will be back in action in the morning

    RPG right at ya, NEEEEEEEEL! Duck!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fascinating. Boris explains Churchill’s rhetorical style:

    Why, fascinating? Churchill murdered thousands of Australian, Indian and Canadian soldiers! In two world wars … and Johnson sees him as someone to emulate? Its the 21st Century … Johnson lives in the 19th/20th century … both damaged by international warfare

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Opposing them were left union leaders, like Arthur Scargill.

    Your point? … I’m not a radical trade unionist but a human being that is saddened at inequality and extreme control and hurt to other human beings for politics and religion?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Common sense is a “get out” clause for management ignorance and weakness and used to berate underlings seeking instruction etc

    Well thanks for making my point … eventually … did I mention I made a lot of money removing waffle … you really need to read my comments logically rather than emotionally … as many her seem to do …

    Or read some Jack Reacher books … you do read books?

  307. July 27, 2019 8:09 pm

    You distract yourself with your own lecturing tone teebz. You claimed it didn`t exist. All l have shown is it exists in common use, AND, manageWaffle. With pesky dictionary. Just because you are held hostage by your own manageWaffle, belief system, or whatever. Does not make the `other` people outside `your` system wrong.

  308. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 27, 2019 8:51 pm

    “Why, fascinating? Churchill murdered thousands of Australian, Indian and Canadian soldiers!”

    TB

    The world is lucky you were not PM of Britain in 1940. Pigs like you would have sided with Hilter. What an evil man you are

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 28, 2019 12:18 pm

    “The world is lucky you were not PM of Britain in 1940.”

    The war would have been a lot shorter if TB was in control. The UK would have been neutral. No UK or Commonwealth soldiers would have been killed. And there would be no Jews left.

  310. July 28, 2019 5:29 pm

    Seems like WireCo is digging itself a deeper grave.

    https://www.kotaku.com.au/2019/07/nbn-cos-great-idea-to-make-australian-internet-even-worse/

    Post includes some cracker tweet comments too.

  311. July 28, 2019 6:48 pm

    There is even more WireCo guffaw in the tco link above. Here`s a taste.

  312. Tony permalink
    July 28, 2019 7:05 pm

    Will be interesting to see if sanctimonious principled Aussie swimmer Mack Horton will quit the National team now that his teammate Shayna Jack has tested positive. #glasshouses

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/swimming-sstorm-makes-australia-laughing-stock-of-world-sport/news-story/56eafae278c4959cb6d8a6735208831e

  313. July 28, 2019 8:55 pm

    smh ” Fletcher(teabag) demanded to review the recommendations before they were publicly released in April and is understood to have told the committee chair – veteran Liberal MP Russell Broadbent – that the final report could not contain the specific Newstart recommendation. The committee, which included Liberal MPs Kevin Andrews, Bert van Manen, Ben Morton and Rowan Ramsey, as well as Labor MPs Ged Kearney and Sharon Bird, was then hastily reconvened to change the wording of the report.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/push-to-lift-newstart-erased-before-election-20190723-p52a19.html

    @-Okay Team Fans, but,but,but, they didn`t lose the election coz blib stooten won 70-dud leader polez, no-sir-ree, nor coz they were timid teabag-lite on dole-eez and welfare. lt Was All Twitters Fault !!!

  314. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 8:38 am

    Doncha, luv, modern capitalism … monsters eating the locals … and the dumbies feeding the frenzy … stupid is as stupid does …\

    But doncha know, it’s not deliveroo etal ripping off restaurants, or the pricey rents from an overheated market. It’s not even a lack of disposable income which is the result of years of stagnant wage growth. No, it’s payiong people too much that’s at fault 😯

    our media is an abomination.

    Kyle and Dave paid award wages at their restaurant. They went bust in three months

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/kyle-and-dave-paid-award-wages-at-their-restaurant-they-went-bust-in-three-months-20190727-p52bc2.html

    So, not only does our media care enough to investigate the elephant in the room re the election result, they also want to pin businesses going broke on paying people a living wage.

    Mars is looking decidedly enticing right now, and humane.

  315. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 9:00 am

    ROFL

  316. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 9:03 am

    🤣

  317. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 9:08 am

    Ah religious nutters tosy, one thing they always have in common

    nuttery 😉

  318. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 9:09 am

    I see #doingittoughlikeBarnaby is a thing now

    What a fuckwit he is.

  319. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 9:17 am

    lol (sob)

  320. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 9:27 am

    Yeah, Kyle and Dave had more (self-inflicted) problems than just award wages. Do read the thread.

  321. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 9:37 am

    Do read the thread.

    Perhaps the ‘churnalist’ should have 😉

    Instead, they made the story about wages, when it should have been about stupid people running a business in an economy that is tanking.

  322. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 10:20 am

  323. Soylent`Era`Teabag permalink
    July 29, 2019 12:53 pm

    Poor barney struggles on four grand (plus perks) per week. Really.

  324. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2019 1:04 pm

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company-news/nbn-could-eventually-become-worthless-telstra-ceo/ar-AAEYm4l?ocid=spartandhp

    Telstra CEO Andy Penn says the high cost of the NBN’s wholesale price may cause retailers to look at other technologies in order to make a profit.

    The Morrison government has rejected calls by the industry to cut the wholesale price which NBN Co has set at $45 a month for its most popular package…….Mr Penn says the high price is causing all operators “to basically lose money”.
    Some telcos including Vodafone and Optus are moving towards bypassing the NBN altogether and offering customers access to the cheaper but less reliable 5G technology.

  325. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 1:13 pm

    Who’d have thought making 21st century infrastructure from 19th century technology would be a failure?

    Well, apart from about half the country that is …………

  326. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 1:55 pm

    Plenty of us said from the start that this should be left to the market. It’s only a matter of time before 5G (then6G, 7G etc etc) takes over.

    What a waste of taxpayers’ money and the so-called experts couldn’t see it.

    https://iconsofinfrastructure.com/5g-is-so-near-future-a-look-ahead-to-6g-and-7g/

  327. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 2:07 pm

    Plenty of us said from the start that this should be left to the market.

    yea, that was working a treat. A decade of howard trashing Telstra with nothing to show for it

    Plenty of us said from the start that this should be left all fiber!

  328. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 2:15 pm

    Plenty of us said from the start that this should be left all fiber!

    Those of you who said that are part of the problem.

    All fibre or not, the NBN will be obsolete in the foreseeable future and we taxpayers will be left paying the bill.

    Governments should not be trying to pick winners. Private businesses only do it moderately well. Governments are just hopeless at it.

  329. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 2:20 pm

    All fibre or not, the NBN will be obsolete in the foreseeable future

    So, the only people who disagree with you are experts in the field.

    Hmmm, who to go with 😉

    Governments should not be trying to pick winners.

    Have you seen the way they are dolling out water buy backs these days. No scientific or expert advise. Whatever the minister wants, they get.

    And then they wonder why all the fucking fish die!

  330. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 2:38 pm

    Time will tell. My money’s on wireless: 5G, then 6G and 7G plus who knows what else will be invented. NBN (All-fibre or any other configuration of wires and/or cables) will be the dinosaur of the internet – and the hapless taxpayer will own the museum.

  331. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 2:50 pm

    5G, then 6G and 7G plus who knows what else will be invented. </i.

    lol, these are not 'invented' tosy, they are 'developed'

    wireless was 'invented'. These are simply implementations of that invention.

    And they are all held back by a little thing called physics.

    But, why do we invest in roads, when tomorrow, we could all be in flying cars? Lets just sit back and wait hey 😉

  332. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2019 2:52 pm

    TomR

    Did you read the link? Technology is not the problem with the NBN. It is the price. People are not even going for the highest speeds you can get with copper because of the cost. Labors all fibre network most probably would be double the cost and completely unaffordable for people

  333. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 3:00 pm

    Are you trying to be a smart arse. I specifically said “plus who knows what else will be invented”. You don’t. You’ll still be trying to tap out your bullshit over the defunct NBN, wondering why nothing is happening, as people drive past your house laughing and pointing.

  334. July 29, 2019 3:21 pm

    of “ wires and/or cables) will be the dinosaur

    Mister`osy, sir. lf you board the main street trolley car headed to boltsvillage, take a seat behind the driver and look out the window as your trolley car travels over the main street bridge that crosses the rail line. You will see in the sky, the local cell phone tower/s opposite the rail station. The big seven storey thing under cell phone tower/s is the local telecom exchange. Filled with fiber and telegraph wires. (-: Guess who worked there decades ago.

  335. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 3:25 pm

    You’ll still be trying to tap out your bullshit over the defunct NBN, wondering why nothing is happening, as people drive past your house laughing and pointing.

    Thei’re ( 🙂 ) probably doing that as we speak 😉

    Did you read the link? Technology is not the problem with the NBN. It is the price.

    Do you think it costs more to move lots of things by horse and cart or train?

  336. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 3:25 pm

    I think you’ll find that’s defunct too Bagz. Apartment building last time I checked.

  337. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 29, 2019 3:35 pm

    Who could have predicted that a government created monopoly would be an expensive white elephant?

    The government should have left it up to the market and then decided on a case-by-case basis if any subsidies to remote areas were warranted. The vast majority of people would have cheaper faster internet. And sooner.

    The real problem now is the price. Under Labor’s plan it would have cost double and therefore be twice as fucked as it is now. And the government still has it on the books as an asset when in fact it is worse than worthless. It is an economic black hole – a voracious vortex sucking money out of the pockets of most users.

    Time for the government to take the loss, allow competition again and sell it off.

  338. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 3:58 pm

    Who could have predicted that a government created monopoly would be an expensive white elephant?

    Those who said don’t ditch fibre for copper etal

    Under Labor’s plan it would have cost double

    Considering the available bandwidth would have been astronomically times higher than it is now, it would be far cheaper for the bandwidth

  339. July 29, 2019 5:42 pm

    The problem mister`osy is the `wifi` mostly uses “ wires and/or cables) “. lf you were in main street southYarra and called your friend in geelong for 3-minutes, that call would be very similar to a 3-min call on landlines, even tho you are both using cell phones. lf we were to then turn OFF all cables, and just use tower ONLY for the same 3-min call, both cell phones would be very walkie-talkie like. Your geelong friend would have to wait for your words to relay thru tower after tower after tower, and you likewise wait for his, and your previous 3-min call would take 5,6,7-mins. You may even hear the relaying echo back to you. This is remote-africa style cell phoning.

    Also, if you use the boltsvillage metro, without cables your cell phone is dead underground.

  340. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2019 5:52 pm

    All right Mr Teabagz of Neverland. I shall take that under advisement. 🙃

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2019 6:55 pm

    The war would have been a lot shorter if TB was in control. The UK would have been neutral. No UK or Commonwealth soldiers would have been killed. And there would be no Jews left.

    Your first sentence proves your ignorance … Menzies was a disaster in London during WWII … and the second – UK could never have been neutral it was under attack and had to defend itself and its people … and the third – wot rot and insulting … both my parents fought in WWII along with three uncles and an aunt and two younger uncles in during Germany’s occupation in the 50’s, father in the RN convoys and mother during the blitz on London in as a plotter in an anti aircraft battery battery … I served (not overseas) during the VN war and two brothers in law served in the army and RAAF … and my son in E Timor and Bougainville …

    Insulting me seems to be a game around here … but all it really shows is nasty right wing ignorance … and religious hypocrisy … your Happy Clappy PM said you need more prayers and love …

    Where are the comments about the Newstart Allowance … and Angus Taylor stealing … and Bananaby’s BS … and what happened to the Murray Darling Disaster …

    This is typical right wing shyte … shut down the dissent … and alternatives …

    And the Shithead talks about me killing Jews … GMAFB! Hypocrite its was the Fascists that killed Jews! Make your mind up I’m either a Communist or a Fascist … talk about dopey white supremacist BS!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The government should have left it up to the market and then decided on a case-by-case basis if any subsidies to remote areas were warranted. The vast majority of people would have cheaper faster internet. And sooner.

    Yep … privatisation is a wonderful fairytale … how’s ya power bill … BTW thanks for paying mine … plus income … Dickheads is as Dickheads are …

    But wait! There’s more … just go 5G! Puleese! LOL!

    Ignorance is such ……….. a waste of fucking time!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You distract yourself with your own lecturing tone teebz. You claimed it didn`t exist. All l have shown is it exists in common use, AND, manageWaffle. With pesky dictionary. Just because you are held hostage by your own manageWaffle, belief system, or whatever. Does not make the `other` people outside `your` system wrong.

    Its alright teebagz I didn’t forget you …

    Here we go …

    You distract with your rambling nonsense … not much more coherent (I know that’s a big word for you) than NEEEEEEL!

    I didn’t calim it didn’t exist … I know it doesn’t – its used by mangers and supervisors to cover their arses … I know its in “common use” but its a problem in health and safety in particular and workplaces generally! You may think I use “manageWaffle” but you also seem to forget, or don’t know, I started my working life as an apprentice (five fucking years of it!) … my belief system is mine not yours … just like yours … so fuck off … if you want to continue to say “duh, its just common sense” … go ahead … surely that’s common-sense …

    Play with Shitarse … he thinks like you …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Bugger, time wins again … I don’t know how you buggers do it …. no wonder national productivity is down …

  342. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2019 7:07 pm

    “I’m either a Communist or a Fascist ”

    To fascists conservatives, they are one and the same

  343. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 29, 2019 7:25 pm

    “Insulting me seems to be a game around here … “

    Don’t get all thin-skinned on me now TB …. cue the violins .. there there TB … please stop sobbing….. come and have a big hug from sweet little Splatterbottom.

    And any way you old twat, you’ve been insulting me for years! Including throwing my children in for a cheap shot.

    “UK could never have been neutral it was under attack”

    I thought the UK started it when it declared war on Germany! Anyway, given your insane hatred of all things Churchill you must think you could have done a better job of leading the country in WWII? Of course you would be entirely alone in that opinion.

    “I’m either a Communist or a Fascist “

    I suppose it depends what side of the bed you get up on any given day! Senile dementia will do that to you!

  344. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2019 7:29 pm

    “Yep … privatisation is a wonderful fairytale … how’s ya power bill …”

    South Australia has the highest electricity prices. Privatisation has nothing to do with it. Getting rid of coal generated electricity is the reason. That plus subsides for renewables. Plus someone told me the network needs much more maintenance, substations etc than when electricity was generated by coal. Renewables have distorted the market. Queensland is lucky because they get most of their energy from coal

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2019 8:40 pm

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/most-unemployed-australians-are-skipping-meals-in-order-to-get-by-on-newstart

    Do people really need to give up breakfast because Newstart is too low? A bowl of cornflakes would be about 50 cents, tops. Lunch – a can of tuna and a banana – $1.50

    Maybe if people on the dole weren’t 1.8 times as likely to smoke dope as those that are employed…

  346. July 29, 2019 8:42 pm

    Some fret about crazy ants. l say watch the termite mounds. Now bananatown joins the east coast mess with the 3-duds in jonestown.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-29/queensland-building-defects-unit-owner-faces-bankruptcy/11335478

    We`ve got a colander for a roof pouring (water) down through the concrete.”

    A Brisbane unit owner is facing bankruptcy after a serious defect in her new $1.7 million luxury apartment caused thousands of dollars worth of damage, forcing her family to move out.

    Louisa Carter purchased a new four-bedroom sub-penthouse in The Johnson apartment tower in inner-city Brisbane in 2017.

    The former Department of Transport building in Spring Hill was transformed into an art series hotel and residential complex by developer and Melbourne-based Asian Pacific Group, now known as the Deague Group.

    But Dr Carter said her roof began leaking just days after she and her family moved into the apartment.

  347. July 29, 2019 9:34 pm

    Remember the days of stridently squealing `boardrooms should do what they want to`. The OwnGoals sure are stacking-up for their very-own baby primates. Coming to boltsvillage soon.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-29/opal-tower-class-action-suit-by-owners-sydney-olympic-park/11354562

    Owners of units in Sydney`s Opal Tower are seeking millions of dollars in compensation from the State Government in a class-action lawsuit.

    In documents lodged with the NSW Supreme Court late on Friday, owners of the western Sydney apartment tower are suing the Sydney Olympic Park Authority (SOPA), the owner of the land on which the Opal Tower sits.

    The Sydney Olympic Park Authority is a NSW State Government-controlled entity, meaning residents are effectively suing the Berejiklian Government – not the developer or builder.

    The lawsuit claims a “breach of warranty” and that design and construction of the $170 million apartment complex, which was evacuated on Christmas Eve after residents spotted cracks in its foundations, was not designed or constructed with “due care and skill”.

  348. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2019 12:36 am

  349. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 7:25 am

    They’ve all got the “Interpreting in Tongues” app open.

    Hey yomm, there was a discussion somewhere yesterday about how much the dole should be raised to. One guy had the temerity to say at least to the poverty level.

    I hope that opens your eyes a bit 😉

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2019 9:55 am

    So what happened to the “Australia needs love and prayers”? All talk no walk … JC had one thing going for him … empathy!

    Fucking Happy Clappy hypocrites … religious nutters seem to be the meanest people in Oz.

  351. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 10:11 am

    I’m Not against an increase in the dole. It seems reasonable.

    My point is that it’s a beat up to suggest that people go without breakfast because they can’t afford it.

  352. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 10:24 am

    My point is that it’s a beat up to suggest that people go without breakfast because they can’t afford it.

    Do have any idea just WHY they might refer to it as a “poverty” level?

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/poverty

  353. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 10:26 am

    Seems like ‘opting out’ of the Health fiasco just isn’t enough

    This mob is accessing your medical information for a range of things, including alleged ‘welfare cheats’

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1155804093924855808.html

    I also read that the Indue card is being used not to just prevent alcohol (it’s legal, isn’t it) but other items.

    and poor barny wants more people on it, fuckwit

  354. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 10:44 am

    People on the dole –
    * spend more time at poker machine venues than employed people
    * smoke more
    * smoke more dope and take more illicit drugs

    So, as I’ve just said, I’m entirely happy to cough up for an increase in the dole. But sugfesting they skip a bowl of cornflakes because they can’t afford it! Crap.

  355. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2019 10:51 am

    Getting back to the topic of this thread, the ASX has just reached an all time high. The resident Grinch is sure to find something negative to say, but we “conscientious investors” (Reb’s words, not mine) will enjoy the ride while it lasts.

  356. ivi permalink
    July 30, 2019 10:56 am

    (My point is….

    No(t against) unfun, dead, emp(a)t(h)y?)

  357. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2019 10:57 am

    I’m in two minds about the Indue card. On the one hand I think people should be able to spend their own money on whatever they want. On the other hand, if someone gives you money (which is what taxpayers are doing) they are entitled to do so conditionally. Like it or not, we elected the government to decide on our behalf what, if any, those conditions would be.

  358. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 10:58 am

    People on the dole –

    have a lot more spare/bored/pointless/hopeless/empty time on their hands

    and yes, Poverty is a word, and measurement, that means something.

    I’d suggest you get out of your bubble from time to tome yomm

    the ASX has just reached an all time high

    yaays

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/jul/30/without-a-wages-boost-we-face-a-lost-decade-of-living-standard-growth

  359. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 11:26 am

    Yes… if there is going to be an increase in the dole, it should be a card that can only be used for fresh food – not canned, not take away.

    And those that can afford to smoke can afford breakfast

  360. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 11:29 am

    And those that can afford to smoke can afford breakfast

    Who said that they are one and the same?

    And who said a craving like smoking won't overcome missing a meal (you really don't understand, do you yomm)

  361. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 11:34 am

    A single cigarette is more expensive than breakfast,

    Aren’t you’re the one who originally posted that alcoholism is a “choice “?

  362. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 11:45 am

    A single cigarette is more expensive than breakfast,

    A single cigarette is craved more than food at times

    Aren’t you’re the one who originally posted that alcoholism is a “choice “?

    I don’t think so, but it’s irrelevant.

    You want to dictate peoples lives. People who are currently living BELOW the poverty line. People who already, according to all accepted measures, don’t have enough to live on, and in addition you want to dictate their lives down to a cigarette or a bowl of cereal?

  363. July 30, 2019 11:57 am

    People on the dole –
    * spend more time at poker machine venues than employed people
    * smoke more
    * smoke more dope and take more illicit drugs

    Stats sourced from the Ponds Research Institute…?

  364. July 30, 2019 11:59 am

    “Getting back to the topic of this thread”

    Thank you.

    It’s only taken 360 comments so I guess that’s “progress”.

  365. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2019 12:02 pm

    “…..the ASX has just reached an all time high”

    Yep and I’m a seller on the ASX today. Not everything just building up some liquidity selling stocks that have had a good run up of late

  366. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 12:26 pm

    Yep and I’m a seller on the ASX today.

    I’m craving a smoke 😦

  367. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2019 12:28 pm

    Some people say there is a crash coming. Even bigger than the GFC. Debt worldwide has just continued to increase since then

  368. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 1:15 pm

    Hands up everyone who think taxpayer money should support the tobacco industry and illicit drug dealers

  369. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2019 1:36 pm

    And poker machines and booze

  370. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 1:36 pm

    Hands up everyone who think taxpayer money should support the tobacco industry and illicit drug dealers

    better check what all those ‘self funded’ retirees are spending their taxpayer funded dollars on too then

    We’ll start a list 😉

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 1:53 pm

    When I’m looking at the data about dole recipients being more inclined to smoke, take illicit drugs and gamble, I recommend this site, it is really useful for finding out stuff like that.

    https://www.google.com.au/
    —————

    These days many employers conduct random drug and alcohol tests, safety is a primary reason.

    Many also require employees to have a pre-employment medical. The medical will often include a drug and alcohol test. People that test positive aren’t likely to be offered employment

    It therefore seems reasonable that people that are actively (allegedly) looking for work, don’t get into a habit of substance abuse.

    So, what’s the problem with testing people that are on the dole?

  372. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 2:00 pm

    So, what’s the problem with testing people that are on the dole?

    Why don’t we start with, THEY DON’T GET PAID.

    They get a dribble of social security that is worse than poverty. It is sub subsistence level social security

    Let’s not forget the fact that, many of these people cannot get work because they are addicted.

    Let’s criminalize them more.

  373. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2019 2:01 pm

    Labor MP Steven Jones is calling for a public sector pay increase. Let’s see if that urgent matter comes up in question time. 🙄

  374. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 2:08 pm

    Random drug testing isn’t criminalising them. It’s making sure they can pass a pre-employment medical.

    If they’re trying to get a job, getting tast that process seems reasonable.

    If people are getting taxpayer money while they look for work, they should be capable of getting past some initial screening.

  375. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 2:27 pm

    Random drug testing isn’t criminalising them.

    Booting them off the already sub subsistence level of subsistence because they had a joint is relegating them to basically stealing in order to exist.

    Hense, you are criminalizing them.

    If people are getting taxpayer money while they pretend they are financing their own retirement, they should be capable of getting past some initial screening.

  376. July 30, 2019 2:51 pm

    “Random drug testing isn’t criminalising them”

    Oh my aching sides…

  377. July 30, 2019 2:58 pm

    Dear random Centrelink recipient

    It appears your recent urine sample has come up positive for methamphetamine. We are therefore immediately cancelling all Centrelink payments to allow you the flexibility to pursue the healthcare you require.

    In the meantime we have notified the AFP who are currently standing at your front door with a warrant for your arrest, and an Officer from Social Services to accompany your children to a safer environment.

    Please remain calm. Any verbal or physical resistance will not be tolerated.

    Thank you for your cooperation.

    The robo-debt-cop recovery team.

  378. July 30, 2019 3:00 pm

    The best form of welfare is a position in Parliament.

  379. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2019 3:25 pm

    “The best form of welfare is a position in Parliament.”

    True that! Unless you can’t keep your cock in your jocks and are supporting two families, in which case you can take the money and whine about being poor.

    All politicians should spend a half day a month in stocks so that they stay in touch with the feelings of the people.

  380. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 3:33 pm

    The comment I made a few minutes ago seems to have disappeared, it was…

    People on the dole are voluntarily excluding themselves from most industries and occupations- transport, delivery, driving, manufacturing, power generation/distribution, mining, construction, warehousing, airlines/aviation, anything that requires use of machinery, much of the public sector…

    So if they choose to exclude themselves from employment in most industries, are they entitled to the dole? And isn’t the best approach to provide them with plenty of encouragement to be able to qualify for the maximum number of jobs?

  381. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 3:42 pm

    if they choose to exclude themselves from employment
    😯

    All politicians should spend a half day a month in stocks so that they stay in touch with the feelings of the people.

    That may need to apply to some ‘self funded’ surfers 😉

  382. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2019 3:53 pm

    So if they choose to exclude themselves from employment in most industries, are they entitled to the dole? And isn’t the best approach to provide them with plenty of encouragement to be able to qualify for the maximum number of jobs?”

    The best encouragement is to abolish both the dole and minimum wage laws.

  383. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2019 3:57 pm

    The best encouragement is to abolish both the dole and minimum wage laws.

    I’d have thought whips ‘n’ chains might be better incentive?

  384. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2019 3:57 pm

    “The best encouragement is to abolish both the dole and minimum wage laws.”

    LOL even I wouldnt go that far.

    From a different angle the Award system does need a serious overhaul. Its just far too complex especially in the hospitality area

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2019 4:05 pm

    Random drug testing isn’t criminalising them.

    No of course not … duh!

    Especially is some dopey dick accidentally gets samples mixed up …

    Or they were slipped a mickey …

    … and the onus is on the “donor” to prove their innocence (the payments are immediately stopped) … guilty until proved innocent … great system … welcome to Stalag LXIX …

    More “love and prayers” … I’m underwhelmed with all the “unfunded empathy” … hypocrites

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    When I’m looking at the data about dole recipients being more inclined to smoke, take illicit drugs and gamble, I recommend this site …

    Google isn’t a “site” its a search engine … which websites did you get your information from? The process is usually called “providing a LINK or LINKS” as you have so often been informed.

    So you approve of Australia being tightly controlled as a nanny state … maybe you could organise a compulsory Liberal Youth plan … based upon healthy outdoor activities and a bit of military training and if no jobs are available a stint with a Panzer Unit chain gang … ?

  386. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2019 4:05 pm

    “I’d have thought whips ‘n’ chains might be better incentive?”

    I usually have to pay extra for that – why shouldn’t they????

  387. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2019 4:08 pm

    “Google isn’t a “site””

    Try https://www.google.com. That should get you to the site!

  388. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2019 4:51 pm

    “Google.com is the most visited website in the world.”

    “For the search engine, see Google Search”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google

  389. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 5:24 pm

    TB- … guilty until proved innocent … great system … welcome to Stalag LXIX …

    You regularly remind us that you were a safety cinsultant in the mining industry, did you express the same views in that capacity?

  390. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2019 5:31 pm

    “You regularly remind us that you were a safety cinsultant in“

    Careful ToM, you might get the ‘(sic)’ treatment if your you’re not careful.

    #glasshouses

  391. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 5:42 pm

    Thank you. I expect TB to be along shortly to score that point.

  392. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2019 6:26 pm

    “Thank you. I expect TB to be along shortly to score that point.”

    He’s probably watching the ABC”s outrage program de jour getting himself all worked up again. Likely doing ABC catchup on some climate change or underpayment special.

    He’ll be coming through the door on the Left before you know it

    Mind you he should be watching Skynews for some actual facts. But sems he just enjoys fiction rather than non fiction

    Gee I didn’t know he was in OH&S. wow ! nothing he has ever said made me think he was actually in OH&S

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2019 6:42 pm

    You regularly remind us that you were a safety cinsultant in the mining industry, did you express the same views in that capacity?

    Meaning? I see the “Gangs” all here … one of you reminded me a few months ago about cyber-bullying … do you know what mirroring is?

    Mind you he should be watching Skynews for some actual facts LOL!
    The Liberal TV version of 4BC (I live in the politically dumb state) …

    Its a constant Liberal Election Campaign … we’re (note ToM) not all blank …

    Gee I didn’t know he was in OH&S. wow ! nothing he has ever said made me think he was actually in OH&S

    An upgrade to cynicism …. retirement obviously enhances your cognitive application … impressed! For a change … BTW still live on the hill? Or the local Over 60’s Resort?

    Wally have you joined the Happy Clappy Church yet? Its just down the road … I know how Google works BTW! LOL!

  394. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2019 6:55 pm

    Insulting me seems to be a game around here … but all it really shows is nasty right wing ignorance … and religious hypocrisy … your Happy Clappy PM said you need more prayers and love …

    I see the “Gangs” all here … one of you reminded me a few months ago about cyber-bullying … do you know what mirroring is?

    I’m so sorry this is happening to you.

  395. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 6:58 pm

    Meaning?

    I thought the question was quite straightforward. You say you had a safety position in the mining indusrty. Mining was the first industry to introduce rigorous drug and alcohol testing.

    When you were involved in safety, did you tell the company that was paying you –
    “… guilty until proved innocent … great system … welcome to Stalag LXIX …”

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2019 9:17 pm

    BuzzFeed apologises to Emma Husar for ‘hurt and distress’

    Good. The media is various forms has attacked people’s personal affairs and made a range of unsubstantiated allegations about sexual behaviour.

    It’s good to see some retractions.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/buzzfeed-apologises-to-emma-husar-for-hurt-and-distress-20190730-p52c92.html

  397. Soylent`Era`Teabag permalink
    July 30, 2019 11:16 pm

    ( You commies can stick your indue card up your arse. We don`t need it. The main street shopfronts were only boarded-up because the socailist street drainage was installed and left our localGovt without a surplus. Take your indue cards back to northYarra where they belong.)

  398. July 30, 2019 11:45 pm

    zubzFood apologizes for their knees together primate hurting the feelings of a knees apart primate .. none of this was ever news.

    zuck mi dcyk zubzFood

  399. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2019 5:55 am

    Centrelink gets another

    What’s the difference between this and pink batts?

    Well, with one, the deaths were caused by shonks breaking the law, the other is a deliberate policy by the government to target vulnerable people for cash

  400. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2019 8:37 am

    nuff said

  401. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2019 8:48 am

    Time this really got the attention it deserved

  402. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2019 11:43 am

    After thinking about the discussion about the dole, my attitude has hardened.

    I’m quite comfortable to increase it, but the conditions should be far more stringent.

    Most of the benefit (say 80%) should be in the form of a card that can only be used for food, utilities, housing, fuel, medical, public transport.

    Taxpayers should not provide funds for gambling, tobacco, alcohol or illicit drugs.

  403. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2019 11:57 am

    Taxpayers should not provide funds for gambling, tobacco, alcohol or illicit drugs.

    Did you think of this all by yourself whilst shooting Wombats at Crown Casino?

  404. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2019 1:29 pm

    It used to be Teh Planet. These people are insane.

  405. July 31, 2019 4:55 pm

    “”It used to be Teh Planet.””

    Maybe he just meant it “metaphorically”..

    Like the way jesus freaks do when it comes to explaining basically “everything in the bible”.

    *Disclaimer: I couldn’t be arsed watching the clip.

  406. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2019 5:56 pm

  407. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2019 6:19 pm

    Well I have been banned from Twitter again but this time something knew. I have been blocked from posting for 7 days. Some leftie most probably complained about something I said. Actually a seven day banning may be a good thing. Better than being blocked forever. And gives me time to think. Social media brings out the worst in people.

  408. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2019 6:25 pm

    “And gives me time to think. ”

    Be careful Neil.

  409. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2019 6:27 pm

    Sounds believable.

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2019 6:49 pm

    Ahhhh … “Australia needs more love and prayers” means more bullshit and and lies … of course … fits the pattern … we can all live on “love and prayers” …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/aussie-taxpayers-confused-by-scott-morrisons-1080-promised-offset/news-story/f1445c353ee26396d25c305e3bd46122

    If this crap keeps up … all hell (‘scuse pun 🙂 ) is about to hit the government! I “hope and pray” it does … profit worshippers, abusing the Sabbath, dis-respect for the elderly, liers, cheats, adulterers, thieves … hypocrisy does not cover our “political class” … when did they become a “class” in a classless society? More hypocrisy!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m so sorry this is happening to you.

    Hypocrite!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I thought the question was quite straightforward. You say you had a safety position in the mining indusrty. Mining was the first industry to introduce rigorous drug and alcohol testing.

    Your comprehension (or lack) astounds me, ToM. I have only ever worked on a minesite (many actually, soft and hard – under and over) as a consultant.

    And FYI … a colleague and I demonstrated to major mining companies that some people who were tested as positive could operate equipment better then those who passed the D&A testing … what we proposed was a competency test (a system we had used with better results that drug and alcohol testing) … that could show and score the ability of the operator …

    As a consultant I made recommendations, suggestions and gave advise … decisions needed your level – obviously! But I bet you asked … easier to blame the consultant, hey?

    See how I always answer your questions … I look forward to the same from you …
    one day! Oh! Here comes one …

    After thinking about the discussion about the dole, my attitude has hardened. etc etc …

    Hardened? FFS! Here are three simple questions … the first is a Yes – No and the second requires a bit more detail, and the third a number and description ie days, weeks, months, …

    1) Have you ever been unemployed?

    2) At what stage of your life? (ie After graduation, single, married, divorced)

    2) If so, how long for?

    Anyone can join in …

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2019 6:56 pm

    Social media brings out the worst in people.

    Whoooooh! I know!

    Some leftie most probably complained about something I said.

    Piers Ackerman did the same thing to me … !

    Some RWNJ most probably complained about something I said.

  412. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2019 7:07 pm

    “Some RWNJ most probably complained about something I said.”

    Boo fucking hoo. Keep playing the victim card, though. It has to work out eventually.

  413. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2019 7:11 pm

    Something just dawned on me – I’m half listening to the TV,(in the next room), as I’m “playing” on my computer – it’s about the, Joh Bjelke Peterson, era and it reminds me of what is now happening Federally … now I know what you poor sods are in for … and it ain’t gonna be good! JBP was steeped in religion too! Beware what you hope for!

  414. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2019 7:18 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh_Bjelke-Petersen#State_development

    Considerable development of the state’s infrastructure took place during the Bjelke-Petersen era. He was a leading proponent of Wivenhoe and Burdekin Dams, encouraging the modernising and electrifying of the Queensland railway system, and the construction of the Gateway Bridge.[9] Airports, coal mines, power stations, and dams were built throughout the state. James Cook University was established. In Brisbane, the Queensland Cultural Centre, Griffith University, the Southeast Freeway, and the Captain Cook, Gateway and Merivale bridges were all constructed, as well as the Parliamentary Annexe that was attached to Queensland Parliament House. Bjelke-Petersen was one of the instigators of World Expo 88 (now South Bank Parklands) and the 1982 Brisbane Commonwealth Games.[9]

  415. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2019 7:30 pm

    “it’s about the, Joh Bjelke Peterson, era ”

    Since you’re a self-declared expert in the English language who has “made a lot of money taking superfluous words and phrases out of training and business documents”, I’m hoping you’ll share your knowledge. Why do you place commas around people’s names like that?

  416. July 31, 2019 7:32 pm

    Ahh yes, getting back to the post. Some decades ago, before manufacturing was totally trashed, financial sections of the paper reported that the `all mining sector` was more than twice the size(in-dollars) of all other sectors combined. Now l like to work out the `relevance` of such data. What does it mean to me. So draw a circle, divide it into three equal wedges. We now have a pie graph. Label one slice `other` and two slices `mining`. Does this not represent the GDP of that time decades ago?

    Now consider the employment of that time. 1%,2% in mining, 98% in `other`.

    Can we consider GDP being total bullshit to 98% of us?

    When it comes to asx200, the richest 200 corps, just what% of us does benefit, beyond mega investors and boardroom monster salary/s.

    Going to hell in a hand basket? lf only we had the hand basket.

    (the best kind of freedom is a gulag)

  417. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 1, 2019 12:28 am

     a colleague and I demonstrated to major mining companies that some people who were tested as positive could operate equipment better then those who passed the D&A testing 

    Here’s TB-
    *who ridiculed James(for example) of using personal experience as a debating point
    *who will use phrases like 97% of climate scientists agree…
    … now uses absolute bullshit to make a vacuous point

    Please post the peer reviewed paper that justifies your bullshit point.

    And you might explain why every credible safety advocate is wrong.

  418. August 1, 2019 6:25 am

    d+a testing , Contestant-1 is mid-manage brown nose with a hatred of those that actually work. His dream was to join the plod, but was too much of a wimp. He enjoys setting plebs payrates, making excuses for boardrooms and surfing. Please welcome yomm.

    Contestant-2 is an escapee of britannia that settled in bananaland and later joined up for vietnam. After impressing his troopmates one too many times with his resume, his troopmates left him on the dock before they set sail. He enjoys manageWaffle, safari suits and lecturing. Please welcome teebz.

    Both you dills are arguing shit that often produces the same result and/or does NOT change a damn thing. Previously l have said some of the boozebus drug tests are questionable, a deskjockey busted on monday morn for smoking choof on friday night is bullshit, he is NOT stoned, teebz argued against this. Of course yomm is riding his hobby horse wanting to give every/any company their own boozebus powers is not only wrong, but also an obsolete(see pbs, wisconsin and ohio, prisons) yank wet dream. WhyTF you`re arguing against what ohs-law says beats me.

    The problem is usually `pets`, being owners/managers brother, uncle, best school friend or bimbo they`re fcuking on the side. All of whom WILL disappear on drugtest day, even tho they have the fulltime job and holiday pay.

  419. August 1, 2019 7:26 am

    That was actually pretty funny, Teabag. 🙂

  420. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 1, 2019 9:45 am

    ” yank wet dream

    The whole point of a wet dream is that you don’t have to yank! Its just a beautiful warm moist feeling as you dreamily sleep.

  421. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 10:30 am

    Splats IS an ExSpurt in something after all 😯

  422. Tony permalink
    August 1, 2019 10:32 am

    The New Gas Revolution That Could Make Renewable Energy Obsolete

  423. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 10:33 am

    fer the Yanks 😉

  424. Tony permalink
    August 1, 2019 11:01 am

  425. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 1, 2019 11:02 am

    Reggae is wonderful:

  426. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 1, 2019 11:06 am

    “Results show that 86% of islands remained stable. 43% increased in area over the timeframe of analysis…”

    Something doesn’t add up – maybe -29% shrank?

  427. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 11:15 am

    The New Gas Revolution That Could Make Renewable Energy Obsolete

    Interesting. If it works, it works

    Will it be cheaper than renewables though? If so, it will render it ,,, not as feasible 😉

  428. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 11:17 am

    lol, you gotta love our meeja

    before the election, they pushed the $1000 tax gift from the libs with the implication it was for everyone.

    after the election, they wonder where the confusion from people comes from ROFL

    dicks

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/aussie-taxpayers-confused-by-scott-morrisons-1080-promised-offset/news-story/f1445c353ee26396d25c305e3bd46122

  429. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2019 11:34 am

    TomR

    Anything is cheaper than renewables

  430. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 11:50 am

    nil

    yor an idiot

  431. Walrus permalink
    August 1, 2019 1:39 pm

    “And FYI … a colleague and I demonstrated to major mining companies that some people who were tested as positive could operate equipment better then those who passed the D&A testing … “”

    OK so next time I am pulled over by a NSW Highway Patrol cop for an RBT or MDT I’ll mention that to him I’m sure he’ll just wave me through

  432. Walrus permalink
    August 1, 2019 1:43 pm

    Oops wrong thread

  433. Walrus permalink
    August 1, 2019 1:44 pm

    Withdraw that Ooops

  434. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 2:17 pm

    if you insert and withdraw that Oops once more, does that constitute a Yank?

  435. Tony permalink
    August 1, 2019 2:44 pm

    TRIGGER WARNING: Tom R and others who subscribe to the CO2 theory of climate change might find this podcast confronting. Others with a more sceptical view may find it interesting. (Around 45 minutes.)

    Key participant in the Global Weather Experiment, former director within NOAA, and notable CO2 heretic, Dr. Rex Fleming explains how and why the major US scientific organizations suppress “deniers”–and why he’s right and they’re wrong. His book tells all: https://www.amazon.com/Carbon-Dioxide-Theory-Climate-Change/dp/3030168794/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=rex+fleming&qid=1563890818&s=gateway&sr=8-3

  436. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 3:00 pm

    I wouldn’t waste 45 seconds on delingpole (I kept my googling to 30 secs 😉 )

    https://skepticalscience.com/uk-acidification-coordinator-attacks-spectator-delingpole.html

  437. Tony permalink
    August 1, 2019 3:08 pm

    That’s fine Tom R. As per my trigger warning, it was posted for the enjoyment of others. Your reaction was entirely predictable.

  438. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 3:27 pm

    Your reaction was entirely predictable.

    What, ignoring a ‘Willfully Misleading’ Denier?

  439. Tony permalink
    August 1, 2019 3:36 pm

    Dr Rex Fleming, the interviewee, is a highly credentialed scientist. But anyone who cares to listen (not you!) will quickly realise that.

  440. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 8:19 am

    Anyone who cares to listen to Deniers anymore is a fool. And most of them are asshole fools. Exhibit (A). Reading some of his descriptions of her, it would be easy to see him back in court again. Guess the convicted racist has a found a new target, young girls. Remember when he attacked Adam Goodes for calling out a girl for racially abusing him?

  441. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 9:35 am

    Yes! We should respect the science and listen to the world’s leading scientific authority –
    Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg. Surely Greta is Gaia’s daughter. All hail Greta! Time for a new Children’s Crusade.

    Even as we speak, children the world over sit before mirrors practicing her crazy eyes and smug smirk. This mystical visionary prodigy scientist will surely win the Nobel Prizes for physics, chemistry, peace and literature. Next year she will be awarded the medicine prize after confirmation of two documented miracles involving the resurrection of people who have died of climate change.

    Her likeness to Mona Lisa is uncanny:

  442. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 10:09 am

    We should respect the science and listen to the world’s leading scientific authority

    Yet dolts like bolt won’t, when even a kid can understand that scientists are best placed to understand what is happening.

    And others want us to waste time listening to glorified bloggers with a history of lying?

    Bizarro world

  443. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 10:34 am

    I listen to scientists like Bob Carter, Peter Ridd, Judith Curry, Richard Lindzen and others. And I listen to Bjorn Lomberg. The people who opposed his appointment at two Australian universities are academic thugs, not scientists.

    Michael Mann, lead author of the discredited hockey stick graph papers even faked his own Nobel Prize, the poor delusional cunt!

    Leftists leap to deploy two main tactics against their opponents – de-platforming and abuse. These are the main tactics because leftists are by and large plug stupid and don’t want to engage in rational argument.

    Also, any climate change alarmist who doesn’t support nuclear power is an unserious hypocrite.

  444. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 10:44 am

    what is it with fucken Deniers?

  445. Walrus permalink
    August 2, 2019 11:14 am

    “Her likeness to Mona Lisa is uncanny:”

    I think she’s quite creepy looking…………………………….kinda looks like she needs an exorcism

  446. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 11:25 am

    “what is it with fucken Deniers?”

    So-called deniers usually tell the truth. Sadly others embarrass themselves by blindly trusting “scientists” like Michael Mann.

    The thing is Dr Fraudpants Mann has claimed in superior court pleadings to be a “Nobel prize recipient”. (At paras 2, 5 and 17).

    But as he later admitted he didn’t receive a Nobel prize. He received a certificate from the International Panel of Climate Clowns. He later changed his pleadings but his delusional lying is now part of the permanent record.

  447. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 11:31 am

    I was being sarcastic Wally. She has all the grace and beauty of some of the more deformed protagonists in GoT.

  448. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 11:37 am

    yes wally, the IPCC received the Nobel Peace prize.

    The PICC is an organisation, which, s shown by his tweet, consists of the scientists involved.

    I did like that link though, “have conducted investigations in Dr mann’s work and found the allegations of academic fraud to be baseless”

    You aint helpin yaself lol

  449. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2019 12:10 pm

    Typical of the left. They use a teenage girl, somebody you really cannot attack.

  450. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 12:37 pm

    “You aint helpin yaself lol”

    Admit it Tom R: I was right – Mann falsely claimed to be a Nobel prize recipient. Nothing you have said casts any doubt on that fact.

    The link helps me perfectly – it is Mann lying to a court. No surprise that it has many other lies in it as well.

  451. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 12:58 pm

    The document confirms in para 17 that Mann shared the award with other IPCC members. It means you’re in DeNile

  452. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 2:18 pm

    “The document confirms in para 17 that Mann shared the award with other IPCC members.”

    That is precisely my point. The document also “confirms” that Dr Fraudpants was a “Nobel prize recipient”. Both of those statements are lies.

    Repeat after me: “Dr Fraudpants Mann did not, either alone or together with others, receive a Nobel Prize. He is, however, a delusional liar who told a court that he did in fact receive a Nobel prize.”

  453. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 2:38 pm

    yawn

    It’s interesting that, in order to defame someone, you use a document where someone else trying to defame him failed lol

    It says repeatedly in there that he shared this with the team, One instance fails to mention it, but, I think there’s a term for that

    A term that has become synonymous with Deliars

  454. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 2:45 pm

    “The PICC is an organisation, which, s shown by his tweet, consists of the scientists involved.”

    What is wrong with you today??? This is very low grade trolling – not what I expect of you – and completely wrong to boot. The IPCC is a UN organisation which produces a report ultimately finalised by politicians:

    “Thousands of scientists and other experts contribute on a voluntary basis to writing and reviewing reports, which are then reviewed by governments. IPCC reports contain a “Summary for Policymakers”, which is subject to line-by-line approval by delegates from all participating governments. Typically, this involves the governments of more than 120 countries.”

  455. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 3:10 pm

    It’s interesting that, in order to defame someone, you use a document where someone else trying to defame him failed lol

    FFS. Dr Fraudpants wrote the document!!!!! Not “someone else” Dr Fraudpants himself wrote it! It is his statement of claim. The lies in it are all his. He lied to the court. He didn’t win a Nobel prize. He had nothing to share with his team. In no sense is he a Nobel prize recipient. The 2007 Nobel peace prize recipients were the IPCC and Al Gore. The IPCC then sent out 2,000 certificates of appreciation like the one Dr Fraudpants got. He didn’t need to share that because everyone and their dog got one too.

    Also this may help you understand: In a statement of 29 October, 2012 the IPCC clarified that the “prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organisation, and not to any individual involved with the IPCC. Thus it is incorrect to refer to any IPCC official, or scientist who worked on IPCC reports, as a Nobel laureate or Nobel Prize winner.

  456. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 3:17 pm

    The IPCC is a UN organisation which produces a report ultimately finalised by politicians:

    refer to the tweet I put up earlier in case you are confused

    yaawns

  457. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 3:18 pm

    Meanwhile, watchin the market

  458. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 4:00 pm

    “yaawns”

    This began with my assertion that: “Michael Mann, lead author of the discredited hockey stick graph papers even faked his own Nobel Prize, the poor delusional cunt!”

    I’ve shown you Michael Mann’s court document where he said he was a “Nobel prize recipient”.

    I’ve shown you the IPCC statement that :“it is incorrect to refer to any IPCC official, or scientist who worked on IPCC reports, as a Nobel laureate or Nobel Prize winner”.

    You have not demonstrated that any of these statements is wrong!

    I know logic is not the strong point of climate alarmists but do try to keep up! You must be having a tough day down at the troll farm!

  459. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2019 4:12 pm

    Boo fucking hoo. Keep playing the victim card, though. It has to work out eventually.

    It was irony … you fucking moron …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Also, any climate change alarmist who doesn’t support nuclear power is an unserious hypocrite.

    WTF is an “unserious” hypocrite? (Is unserious even a word …

    I’m all for nuclear power:

    As long as its fusion

    No radioactive waste (that is possible with fusion … not fission)

    And meltdowns can never (never) occur …

    I know logic is not the strong point of climate alarmists but do try to keep up!

    If you’re really into logic … does that mean visual evidence and records or just the daily temperature in your bunker?

  460. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2019 4:28 pm

    “(Is unserious even a word …”

    Yes. Google it – >750k hits plus loads of dictionary definitions.

    I’m really into logic. That is why I reject the delusional Dr Fraudpants Mann as source of scientific information. I have no time for individuals and institutions who won’t even listen to scientists who disagree with them, who replace logical argument for de-platforming and abuse. Many Australian Universities are in this category. James Cook being a prominent example.

  461. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2019 5:29 pm

    It was irony … you fucking moron …

    You lie, on both counts.🙄

  462. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 5:31 pm

    Except as the document shouty put up, all of the abuse hurled at Dr Mann is simply that, abuse. And they continue it a decade later lol

  463. August 3, 2019 1:47 pm

    in.. Jul 2019 greenland shed 197 GT of ice, my abc24.

    since 2010 shed (286 Gt/year)

    the 2000s shed (187 Gt/year)

    the 1990s 47 Gt/pa .. the 1980s 47 Gt/pa

  464. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2019 7:36 pm

    Tried to post on Twitter. Says I am banned for 1 day and 15 hours. So it is counting down from the 3 days I was originally banned for. This is a new experience for me. The lefties have been more lenient. Instead of banning me forever they have placed me in purgatory for 3 days

  465. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2019 8:16 pm

    You lie, on both counts.🙄

    OK … it was sarcasm you fucking imbecile …

    Here it comes again … you had your three chances …
    _____________________________________________

    I’m really into logic.

    Gasp!

    Yes. Google it … ha, so criticism of nuclear waste disposal is “light hearted” FFS, the shit lasts for 240,000 years! Nuclear power plants provide the MOST EXPENSIVE electricity and damage the environment more that coal power while providing nuclear weapons material …

    You have obviously never lived under the cloud of the Cold War …

    ________________________________________________

    … they have placed me in purgatory for 3 days …

    JFC another Catholic hypocrite …

  466. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2019 8:21 pm

    “JFC another Catholic hypocrite …”

    What? I am not Catholic. OK the lefties have placed me in detention for 3 days. Something lefties enjoy doing.

    TB- you locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 because that is what people like you do.

    TB- why do you enjoy locking up people?

  467. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2019 8:45 pm

  468. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2019 9:35 am

    “all of the abuse hurled at Dr Mann is simply that, abuse”

    Stating that Mann lied to a court that he was a “Nobel prize recipient” is not abuse – it is a statement of fact.

    I merely stated that fact and you’ve been carrying on like a pork chop ever since trying to deny the bleeding obvious. Why not just admit that Mann is a delusional liar and go about your day? You should save your considerable skills for cases where you have a grain of truth to work with!

    * * * * * *

    “Nuclear power plants provide the MOST EXPENSIVE electricity and damage the environment more that coal power while providing nuclear weapons material …

    You have obviously never lived under the cloud of the Cold War …”

    None of those statements are true.

  469. ivi permalink
    August 4, 2019 3:45 pm

    (None of those statements are true.

    Of course they aren’t; which possibly is why a game-changing (but not really) ‘net zero’ gas-plex is heavily-backed by North America’s largest-(de)commissioning unviable-merchant-nuclear-energy purveyor; and the new nominal cycle is supercritically reliant both on manufactured tax credits and ‘sequestering’ the ‘it’s not waste, it’s a feature’ for ‘millions of years’.)

  470. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2019 5:14 pm

    None of those statements are true.

    Prove it!

  471. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2019 6:43 pm

    Do you really want to become the 51st State?

  472. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2019 6:46 pm

    What a fucking travesty … this Federal Parliament has become a farce within weeks …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/04/anthony-albanese-says-he-has-seen-no-evidence-of-corruption-in-federal-politics

  473. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2019 6:53 pm

    Number 4 wins, obviously.

  474. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2019 9:01 pm

    Do you really want to become the 51st State

    Prove it

  475. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2019 10:09 pm

    This all seems pretty reasonable.

  476. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2019 10:26 pm

    Young Americans Against Socialism
    ‏ @YAAS_America
    11h11 hours ago

    We are going to reach MILLIONS of people every month, but we need your help.

    As we prepare to launch on August 15 with a series of viral videos, we are asking for your financial support.

    If you or someone you know would be willing to support YAAS, please send us a
    message.

    _________

    Pretty well sums it up!

  477. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2019 10:47 pm

    Hwavens!! Can you imagine!! They are using exactly the same methods as GetUp

  478. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2019 11:18 pm

  479. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2019 11:21 pm

  480. ivi permalink
    August 5, 2019 2:37 am

    (They are using exactly the same methods as GetUp

    Erm, not exactly?)

  481. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2019 7:11 am

  482. ivi permalink
    August 5, 2019 8:37 am

    (Yeehaw!)

  483. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2019 8:49 am

    “Prove it!”

    You go first alter cocker – you made the ridiculous assertions in the first place.

  484. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2019 10:20 am

    Do you really want to become the 51st State

    Prove it

    Prove what? It was a question.

    Anyhoo …

    I suppose its difficult to keep up to date with the news on a surf safari … 🙂

  485. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2019 10:27 am

    OK so next time I am pulled over by a NSW Highway Patrol cop for an RBT or MDT I’ll mention that to him I’m sure he’ll just wave me through

    Probably wouldn’t apply to your “operating” skills anyway, Sir Walter … 🙂 🙂 🙂

    ——————————————————–

    Seriously, you just couldn’t make this up.

    Probably as silly as pumping diesel with using electricity … hey? 8~I

  486. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2019 11:23 am

    Probably as silly as pumping diesel with using electricity … hey?

    Nothing like it whatsoever. For a start nobody has ever claimed ‘pumping diesel’ to be carbon free or even carbon neutral. Secondly, the amount of energy required to electrically pump full an average size fuel tank is minuscule compared to the energy used running a Diesel engine for many hours to charge a small electric car. Plus, that tank full of diesel would easily get an average sized car from Melbourne to Sydney while the electric car is still sitting at the charging station. So basically it’s your analogy that’s silly. Unsurprisingly.

  487. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 11:29 am

    So basically it’s your analogy that’s silly.
    What is it about Cherry Picking that attracts some people

  488. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 11:32 am

    re my above

  489. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2019 3:13 pm

    I have charged there myself in a $30k EV

    Another bullshit artist. There are no $30k electric vehicles in Australia. If you’re going to lie at least get your cover story straight.

    https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/cheapest-electric-car-in-australia-74220

  490. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2019 8:49 pm

    “Be Water!”: seven tactics that are winning Hong Kong’s democracy revolution

    https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2019/08/be-water-seven-tactics-are-winning-hong-kongs-democracy-revolution

  491. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 8:20 am

    If you’re going to lie at least get your cover story straight.

    If you’re going to call someone a liar, Google first 😉

    https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Nissan-LEAF-2014/SSE-AD-6214988/?gts=SSE-AD-6214988&gtssaleid=SSE-AD-6214988&rankingType=Spotlight

  492. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2019 10:05 am

    Yes, yes. I’m sure EV Grin was referring to a used 2014 Nissan Leaf.

    Let’s assume for a minute he was, though. That Carsales ad brags about a range of 120kms. If he charged his car at that temporary charging station while it was in Jurien Bay and wanted to travel into, say, Perth, 220kms away, he would need to stop halfway and get access to someone’s private charger (there are no public charging stations outside Perth and its suburbs. https://www.google.com.au/maps/search/ev+charging+stations+in+west+australia/@-31.8672494,115.7853028,13z?hl=en-au&gl=au)

    He would then need to wait 7 hours for a normal charge. The alternative would be a 21 hour trickle charge using the Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment that comes with the vehicle and a normal power point.

    The advertised Leaf had its battery pack changed at 96,500 kms, which is good for the new owner but probably cost the seller many thousands.

    All in all, not a very practical car choice. But, hey, who cares when you’re saving the Universe!?

  493. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 10:29 am

    Yor getting a little obsessed there tosy. Have a coffee. I’d offer you a Latte, but, not sure it’s yor style 😉

  494. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2019 10:37 am

    What’s the time? I’ll take an espresso martini with my fact obsession, thanks barkeep.

  495. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 10:42 am

    It’s always martini time somewhere on the planet Tony. In fact, I might grab one for myself 😉

  496. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2019 12:07 pm

    I’m feling like a bit of a genius after liquidating 35% of my share portfolio early last week. Every single day the ASX has dropped big time.

  497. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 12:20 pm

    I liquidated all of my shares in pay

    I bought a slab of Coopers 😦

  498. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2019 12:26 pm

    I’m feling like a bit of a genius after liquidating 35% of my share portfolio early last week. Every single day the ASX has dropped big time.

    Well done Wally. Now you just have to pick when to buy back in.

  499. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2019 12:38 pm

    “Now you just have to pick when to buy back in.”

    Yeah that’s the hard part

  500. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 1:32 pm

    Yet the ASX continues to climb. Something has to give, or does it..?

    Seems wally timed it nicely

  501. ivi permalink
    August 6, 2019 3:05 pm

    (What’s the time?

    <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=Hiroshima“>Apparently, the 74th Anniversary of Hiroshima, or something.

    ————-

    In fact, I might grab one for myself 😉

    Soon….we’ll (almost) have departed the showroom, and moved onto (quasi-)custom-builds, what with ‘replacement’ batteries costing thousands, and all; like an earlyadaptin’ enthusiast, or an entrepreneurial boss(-o’-(n)one)?)

  502. ivi permalink
    August 6, 2019 3:08 pm

    (Apparently*)

  503. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2019 6:22 pm

    How TF do you get a job as a journalist is you can’t spell!

    After Queensland Nickel collapsed, liquidators poured over its books …

  504. August 6, 2019 6:44 pm

    “How TF do you get a job as a journalist is you can’t spell!”

    Indeed.

  505. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2019 6:55 pm

  506. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2019 7:06 pm

    Stop what you are doing and watch this

    So what’s your “take” on that ToSY? (Good? Bad? Indifferent?)

  507. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2019 8:04 pm

  508. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2019 5:51 am

    +CUMIN

    I’m not even going to ask how they make THAT!

  509. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2019 10:01 am

    Silly old coot shouldn’t be driving at all. Bad luck for the school kids now the fucker knows he can speed with impunity.

    At least the old fossil looks more alert than Joe Biden!

  510. ivi permalink
    August 7, 2019 11:42 am

    (You know you want teh Fury Road extended edition.)

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