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It’s all going to Hell in a hand basket! (or is it?)

July 11, 2019

 

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Australia S&P/ASX 200 Stock Market Index

 

So I was thinking we could talk about something sensible for a change (and see how long it lasts).

The word on the street is that the Australian share market is due for a correction with some pundits claiming it could be as much as 10 or 20%. Given that most of your are capitalistic pigs conscientious investors, I’d be interested to know whether you think there is an element of truth in this, or is it just bullshit.

Surely, the so-called “fundamentals” of the Australian economy are looking shaky, with the RBA practically begging the government to bring forward infrastructure spending in order to spark up Australia’s languishing economy which is spluttering along on life support.

Consumer and business confidence is in the doldrums, interest rates are at record lows, retail is technically in recession and the construction industry is predicting mass layoffs as the housing market continues to struggle.

Yet the ASX continues to climb. Something has to give, or does it..?

 

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  1. July 11, 2019 3:44 pm

    Here is a new post.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2019 6:31 pm

    Best of luck, reb …

    So I was thinking we could talk about something sensible for a change (and see how long it lasts).

    Yet the ASX continues to climb. Something has to give, or does it..?

    Bit like the “lull” before the storm, methinks … you could always pray and show more love …

    BTW, dead cats bounce under lots of “conditions” …

    All it needs is a (successful) re-enactment of Dallas, 1963 …

    The markets will collapse … and then FLY!

    And has the Philip Lowe been given the “word” …

    (Seriously … we have already put our GFC v2.0 plan in place … ) Oddly enough based on our GFC v1.0 plan!)

    And I am seriously (note Wally) interested in Wally’s take on your post …

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/11/need-for-speed-is-the-netflix-effect-to-blame-for-the-nbns-failures

    Interesting read – in context if you understand the “need for speed” in business …

    (Note: I just checked my speed: 93.39mbps … just so you don’t think “it’s about me”!) I pay for … 100 mbps)

    I believe that NZ is still running @ over 400 mbps …

  3. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2019 7:34 pm

    Fact is nobody knows. The worlds greatest Treasurer Wayne Swan was preparing his first May 2008 to fight inflation which he said the Howard govt had caused. Only a few months later the GFC hit.

    But there are a number of people saying the market will crash and the crash will be worse than the GFC.

    PS. TB -a bit off topic but that article about the NBN is talking about the fixed wireless network used by maybe 7% of Australians in regional areas. It is not talking about fixed lines used by most people

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2019 9:03 pm

    PS Neeeeel! I know … fixed line/cable/hybrid is even worse!

    Do ya homework!

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2019 9:09 pm

    But the article is about fixed wireless for regional areas. I have never seen those problems mentioned in the article applying to fixed line.

  6. July 12, 2019 9:37 am

    Where’s Walrus when you need him?

  7. July 12, 2019 9:39 am

    But, but, but the HIA was saying there’s signs that things are picking up…

    https://www.afr.com/real-estate/residential/loans-to-housing-investors-slide-20190711-p5267a

  8. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2019 9:43 am

    Just prey harder reb

    I mean, the guys that our pm hangs out with seem to prey a lot. Mostly on younger people it seems, but prey they do.

    Thank dog there is no god, he’d be striking down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger like crazy by now.

  9. Tony permalink
    July 12, 2019 9:47 am

    “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” ~ Yogi Berra

  10. July 12, 2019 9:48 am

    “he’d be striking down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger like crazy”

    Oddly enough, I’ve been thinking of mending my ways, after seeing that pic of Brian Houston with his slicked back Gordon Gecko hairstyle and sky blue suit preying with FauxMo I thought “yes, I could carry off that look” (but I’d add the braces and cigar, for that extra air of self-entitlement).

  11. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2019 10:02 am

    Brian Houston with his slicked back Gordon Gecko hairstyle and sky blue suit preying with FauxMo

    “I was a worship leader in an AOG church when it became public knowledge that Brian Houston had needed to take the step of disciplining his own father for “sexual immorality”.”

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1148915387322384386.html

  12. July 12, 2019 11:29 am

    At the end of Tom’s link…

    “Every fairy tale has a dark side”

    prophetic! 😆

  13. July 12, 2019 6:19 pm

    In the digital age, digital economy, where a nation runs its telegraphWire banking/retail system one day, and the very next day its tax/govt system so successfully, while loading up its treasury/s with construction liability/s and starving the consumption based trading of consumers able to consume? We`ll be fine.

  14. Tony permalink
    July 12, 2019 7:46 pm

    Anyone remember John Elferink, the immediate past Attorney General of Northern Territory? (He was one of the central figures in the ‘4 Corners’ Don Dale youth detention story.)

    I met him today. A very intelligent and interesting fellow, as it happens.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2019 10:57 pm

    “Every fairy tale has a dark side”

    “Every dark-side has a fairytale”

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2019 11:00 pm

    I met him today. A very intelligent and interesting fellow, as it happens.

    So? Your point is? You met him?

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2019 11:01 pm

    We`ll be fine.

    Are you suggesting Australia is Bejing HACKED!?

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2019 9:48 am

    It’s interesting that Trump is offended because the British Ambassador called his presidency- inept, clumsy, dysfunctional, insecure, incoherent…

    That’s a fairly mild and diplomatic description.

    Divisive, maniacal and driven only by ego should have been included

  19. Tony permalink
    July 13, 2019 10:33 am

    So? Your point is? You met him?

    I’m sorry you are so miserable.

  20. Boo Of Pixar permalink
    July 13, 2019 12:03 pm

    x.. x.. Oh its just a britannia ambassaBore going under the trump-train. But guess who is riding 1st-class.

    Here comes theBoris, Let the teabag-panic begin .. Johnson’s far-from-sunny view of the French has also now been revealed. He thinks they are `turds`, a remark disgracefully pulled from a BBC documentary on the Foreign Office last year because it threatened to derail the Brexit negotiations .. what self-respecting news organisation censors its greatest scoop? @there`s always the time my ABC handed back to govt filing cabinets full of political papers!

  21. July 13, 2019 12:39 pm

    is “ Bejing HACKED!? ” @nah. Why would they bother distracting a govt that is so successfully wrecking its own country which can`t even deal with rubbish.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2019 4:36 pm

    We can always rely on Trump… to bullshit…

    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/by/

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2019 2:17 pm

    I’m pleased that Simona Halep won at Wimbledon.

    I’m not fond of the players that have a history of gamesmanship and poor sportsmanship.

    * Williams
    – tantrums to put a young player off their game
    – rarely recognises the great game of a player that beats her, she usually just says – “I played badly”
    – often pushes in front of a defeated opponent to shake hands with the umpire, against sporting convention

    * Nadal
    – there is a rule allowing 20 seconds to serve. Nadal takes up to 40, this is a tactic to annoy his opponent (among other behavioural idiosyncrasies)

    * Sharapova
    – various prima donna behaviours, also pushes in front of opponent after a win
    – screeching to disguise the sound of the racket
    – turns back on server to apply lipstick (or whatever reason) and unsettle opponent

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2019 6:47 pm

    I’m sorry you are so miserable.

    I’m not you’re attempts don’t bother me one bit … it was a question … again … you’re point was?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s a fairly mild and diplomatic description. And very accurate I thought, ToM … Trump has insulted more allies of the USA and than traditional “enemies” why don’t others see it? … see above … millennial ignorance?

    Wimpleton ToM … Wimpleton …

    And yes, Ash Barty, was a breathe of fresh air in international tennis … and Dylan Alcott wheelchair win was great!

    We had a friend that stuffed up pronunciation comically all around the world … our favourite (we were actually in the city) was … Instanbul … over and over … could not get it right … and never knew …

  25. Tony permalink
    July 14, 2019 7:31 pm

    I’m not you’re attempts don’t bother me one bit

    I think you mean ‘your’. 🤣😂

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2019 7:39 pm

    I think you mean ‘your’.

    Now you think your ToM … originality has never been your style forte … it comes with a sense of humour and life experiences … that leads to cynicism, irony and sarcasm … and a couldn’t give a flying fuck attitude … wheeeeeeeeee!

  27. Tony permalink
    July 14, 2019 7:46 pm

    originality has never been your style forte

    Cheerfulness has never been yours.

  28. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 8:30 am

    rarely recognises the great game of a player that beats her, she usually just says – “I played badly”

    Rarely?
    Usually?

    Or do you mean the few times she has, and it’s been amplified to the maximum degree. Usually by white, male, conservative wannabes

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 8:40 am

    No… I mean Williams regularly lacks grace in defeat.

  30. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 8:53 am

    fer yomm 😉

    https://www.vox.com/2018/9/10/17837150/serena-williams-us-open-tennis-2018-sexism

    originality has never been your style forte

    Cheerfulness has never been yours.

    does too … does not …. does too ………………………………….

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:22 am

    Are you suggesting that she only showed bullying and poor sportsmanship against Osaka?

    There is a long history there. Just like Nadal taking twice as long to serve, and Sharapova turning her back when an opponent is ready toto serve.

    It is an issue about being a good sport, not about colour. Williams is particularly arrogant and a poor sport, in my opinion.

  32. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:25 am

    Are you suggesting that she only showed bullying and poor sportsmanship against Osaka?

    I’m suggesting you read the article I linked to, especially about your baseless smear with regards to Osaka

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:43 am

    It’s interesting that William’s coach admitted he was coaching her, but that she may not have seen him.

    Yeah, right.

    …So the umpire saw him coaching her, applies the rules, and WIlliams throws a tantrum

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:53 am

    Williams doesn’t regret her behaviour – typical of a tantrum thrower.

    Anyone with good grace would have apologised to the umpire (who applied the rules) and taken it up with their coach – who was encouraging her to break the rules.

  35. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:57 am

    Another way of looking at it is, Williams did nothing wrong, and got penalised for it 😉

    Asked for her perspective on the match, Williams instead turned attention back to Osaka. “She played well, and this is her first Grand Slam,” Williams said, her voice breaking.

    “Let’s make this the best moment we can,” she urged the crowd. “Let’s give everyone the credit where credit’s due and let’s not boo anymore. We’re going to get through this and let’s be positive, so congratulations, Naomi!”

    Yea, what a tantrum

  36. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 9:59 am

    Williams doesn’t regret her behaviour

    Why should she apologise for something she didn’t do. Even the coach admitted she never looked at him.

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:24 am

    It’s against the rules to coach from the stand. So where does Williams say – my coach broke the rules and the ump was right…

  38. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:40 am

    Why do you not apologise for the actions of others?

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:43 am

    It’s her team that broke the rules and I think Williams would be aware of the rules.

    She was wrong in the dispute and the manner in which she disputed it

  40. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:57 am

    Even if she was, in that one instance, the events show that she treated her opponent with respect.

    I see that our current traditional cultural expert has deemed climbing Uluru to be just fine and dandy

    fuck our msm is trashed

  41. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 10:59 am

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 11:24 am

    Her press conferences are usually used as an excuse for her playing poorly. Not to say she was beaten by a better opponent.

    You should look at the examples of her tantrums, she is the McEnroe of this generation.

  43. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 11:32 am

    You should look at an example of her graciousness

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 11:58 am

    McEnroe was also charming and gracious on occasions. But he is remembered for his tantrums, deservedly so too. Williams deserves the same reputation.

  45. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 12:13 pm

    yomms left the planet

    Meanwhile, I understand the promised surplus is no longer promised

    So, was it Back In Black, Or Dirty Deeds?

  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2019 1:27 pm

    “Meanwhile, I understand the promised surplus is no longer promised”

    Shows you how great Howard was. handed a totally trashed budget in 1996 and unemployment at 8%. Much higher than now. After years of deficit budgets under Keating. Within 12 months Howard was running surplus budgets. He did it by cutting govt spending. The only way to get the budget back into continual surplus

  47. ivi permalink
    July 15, 2019 1:41 pm

    (So, was it….?

    Apparently, it was all ‘we see the world through the same eyes; but, that was then, and this is now.)

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 1:56 pm

    It’s hardly isolated behaviour

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/serena-williams-sore-loser-grand-slam-us-open-roberta-vinci

  49. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 2:26 pm

    It’s hardly isolated behaviour

    “Rarely?
    Usually?”

    lol

    Pretty sure everybody on the circuit has lost their shit. It’s called being competitive. Sure, not everyone is like Federrer, but there’s few in the league of mcenroe or our own Kyrgios

    But you just keep on ya haten’ yomm. it’s good for the soul???

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2019 3:26 pm

    Is there another men’s or women’s player in the top 20 that has this record of behaviour?

    Yes, Kyrgios and Tomic show poor behaviour, but where are they ranked?

    ..but then I suppose you are entitled to accept the behaviour of people by the standards you set – for example the CFMEU

  51. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2019 3:29 pm

    , but where are they ranked?

    ROFL

  52. July 15, 2019 5:15 pm

    Only Three? (dog damn-it, why don`t these young-uns just listen and join me and the rest of my generation in the `hopeSayers` echo chamber, instead of being difficult) Ooops! (and whats with all this ornery idle chatter coming out of southYarra now`a days, they don`t grow bananas) Rising damp.

  53. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2019 9:08 am

    Only Three?

    Aged care, along with child care, is failing us badly.

    Privatization does not work for essential services, emphasis on services.

    We are on the verge of privatising our rail system in SA. They did it with the electricity and buses, both are major failures. Our bus system, even though the Government still spends $millions on a privatised system, is a bad joke. And the electricity speaks for itself. They also sold off the gas turbines and battery storage Weatherill built, or are in the process of. The idea of having it Government owned was to help keep prices down. Instead, prices keep on flying up. And some rich dude in China rakes it in.

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2019 9:42 am

    Yes. In SA electricity does speak for itself. SA blew up its coal fired power stations and replaced them with renewables. Why are you lefties so deceitful? Privatisation has nothing to do with high power prices in SA. Then SA found they were in trouble so they had to lease diesel generators for megabucks

  55. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2019 10:10 am

    Not sure if you’ve been told yet today nil, but you’re an idiot

    Perhaps you should “right” for the lolstrayan?

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2019 10:18 am

    At least I am not deceitful like you. Privatisation has nothing to do with high electricity prices in SA. Getting rid of coal fired power stations is the reason. Then after finding they were in trouble SA had to lease CO2 producing diesel generators for megabucks and then build a gas fired CO2 producing power station. All additional costs.

  57. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2019 11:15 am

    yawn nil, ya ramblings have all been discussed before, and then you just come back with the same old crap. boring

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2019 11:32 am

    How the hell can privatisation have anything to do with electricity costs in SA? They got rid of their privatised coal fired power stations. BTW all the wind farms in SA. Who owns them because I do not know? Are they govt or private? And because they do not work well SA had to lease diesel generators for $100M and then build a CO2 producing gas fired power plant all adding to the cost of electricity

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 12:24 pm

    Earthquake in bali…

    I’ve been in Bali during a fairly strong earthquake, and as the building was shaking, I thought- “I hope this isn’t one of the buildings where they substituted straw for concrete”

  60. July 16, 2019 3:09 pm

    RE, tewwa, cutting, wed-tape, gwenfell, da-onions! (-:

    The Government will not release its list of high-risk buildings, citing the potential terrorism threat. “I don’t think (releasing the list) would be a very wise thing to do,” Mr Andrews said. The Government said the “highest level of rigour” would be applied to whoever was contracted to do rectification works, which Mr Andrews said would take five years.

    Cladding has been a major headache for the Andrews Government, as well as in other jurisdictions across Australia. In recent days, industry has been pleading with the Federal Government for a national response ; especially building surveyors worried about insurance. Insurance companies have stopped giving surveyors personal indemnity coverage for properties with cladding..16.07.2019

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 5:25 pm

    The NSW Court of Appeal has upheld cricketer Chris Gayle’s $300,000 defamation win against publications including The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age

    There are so many examples of the media inventing or exaggerating stories about individuals, that it is good to see another successful action against them.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/herald-and-age-lose-appeal-against-chris-gayle-defamation-win-20190716-p527k5.html

  62. July 16, 2019 5:44 pm

    Remember when we heard so often and so stridently about turning off corporate traffic lights and cutting corporate red-tape? Well the wreckage is really starting to pile-up in the intersections now! All for their very-own baby primates to spend the rest of lifetime cleaning-up and paying off. The OwnGoal is spectacular!

    16.07.2019, my abc “Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars will be spent to deal with the flammable cladding crisis in Victoria, where about 500 buildings need rectification work to be made safe. Half of the $600 million plan will be funded directly from state coffers.”

    Premier Daniel Andrews has announced a $600 million package to fund the work, and is asking the Commonwealth to cover half of that cost.

    If it refuses, the Victorian Government will instead increase a building permit levy to raise the money, Mr Andrews said. @snip!!

    Consumer advocate Anne Paten, from the Victorian Building Action Group, said the $600 million funding package would not come close to fixing the state’s cladding issues. @Tick

    She told ABC Radio Melbourne the real cost was ” many, many billions of dollars“. @Tick

    @see url in tweet

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 5:51 pm

    I see Trunt is playing the race card. What a complete f***wit, so are his supporters and apologists

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2019 6:02 pm

    TomR

    Those articles are from 2014. This is why electricity prices are going up

    https://theurbandeveloper.com/articles/south-australias-last-coal-fired-power-station-demolished

    South Australia’s last coal-fired power station is under demolition.
    Explosives were used to demolish the Port Augusta’s 47-metre-high east coal bunker and towers.
    Last month, the station’s west coal bunker and tower were blown up…….When demolitions conclude in July, South Australia will no longer produce coal-powered electricity, marking a step forward in line with the state government’s plan for clean energy…Following the closure of the Port Augusta power plant in 2015, 185 jobs were lost for the local area, and power prices immediately spiked and was trailed by a period of blackouts.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2019 6:41 pm

    Tennis, NeeeeeeeeeeeL, Victoria being treated like Queensland’s fire ant plague “its your problem – not Australia’s …” As if fucking fire-ants know where the borders are … cane toads anyone?

    And people DIE in unit fires! Fuhrer Morrison! And some have to be Christians – where’s the LOVE … PRAYERS are no good when people DIE! They can’t fucking hear ’em!

    The Federal Government is HELL bent on creating chaos —- and pretending to manage it —- the concept is so old … but people still fall for it …

    NeeeeeeL!!!! It’s 2019 the dodgy Liberal/National Coalition Government has now been in dodgy “control” of our (ugh!) nation for over six years and a further three … Labor is just a spot on the horizon … unless a major crisis occurs and LNP will just disappear until the crisis is over and Labor take over … and dickwits/fuckwits/RWNJs/Murdoch press/dumb (in the true sense) journalists and .. you … vote the wankers back into wonky power … its Aussie history FFS … a bunch of dickwankers conning the dumb when everything’s hunky-dory and leaving the wicket when the balls are too fast!

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 6:50 pm

    dickwits/fuckwits/RWNJs/Murdoch press/dumb (in the true sense)

    Heavens TB, that’s an intreating view of the electorate. Is there any evidence to support your bland generalisation?

    As a matter of interest, a study was conducted in the UK of the relationship between IQ and voting

    Labour voters ranked as the least intelligent, then came Conservatives, then the Lib-Dems and Greens were the most intelligent voters. I suspect the pattern is similar here.

  67. July 16, 2019 7:36 pm

    “a study was conducted in the UK of the relationship between IQ and voting”

    Fascinating. Would you have a link to this study by any chance…?

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 7:41 pm

    There are some details here…

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/03/greenpolitics-liberaldemocrats

  69. Tony permalink
    July 16, 2019 7:45 pm

    Quote of the day: If you’re going through hell, keep going.

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 7:49 pm

    But does TB have anything to support his baseless assertion?

  71. July 16, 2019 7:52 pm

    Thank you ToM, I must say I’m impressed to see you arguing the case that Green voters are the most intelligent of all.

    Good on you.

  72. Tony permalink
    July 16, 2019 8:01 pm

    Greens elder ‘statesman’ Bob Brown has certainly demonstrated his intelligence. When a wind farm is proposed in his back yard he campaigns against it. I’m sure Greens voters would do the same, given the opportunity. #nimby

  73. July 16, 2019 8:17 pm

    Bob Brown is a bit of a tosspot tbh.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2019 9:00 pm

    Yes, Green voters are intelligent and well educated, the average IQ of their protests and cafe gatherings is high. Unfortunately Green voters are of little use to society.

  75. July 16, 2019 9:08 pm

    Keep it right up tunc. Somebody is going to find their gay arse booted out of the echo chamber of political correctness. lts cold out here. (-: (-: (-:

  76. Tony permalink
    July 16, 2019 10:43 pm

    Bonus quote of the day (BQOTD): Don’t look back. That’s not where you’re going.

  77. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 5:39 am

    If you’re going through hell, keep going.

    I call bullshit 😉

  78. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 5:51 am

    seems qanda is still providing a mouthpiece for anti Labor stunts

    You Need To Watch Linda Burney Schooling A ‘Q&A’ Boomer On Australia’s Racist Past

    https://junkee.com/linda-burney-q-a/213919

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2019 10:25 am

    There are some details here…

    A LINK! FMD! Things must be getting sofistikated around here …

    Is there any evidence to support your bland generalisation?

    You must be joking, or blind … mmm a blind surfer I’m sure I saw a story on you a few years ago?

    BTW is Trump a racist?

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 10:40 am

    The Andrews government could be heading for a serious industrial clash with 40,000 public servants demanding an extra week off work each year on top of a 3.5 per cent pay rise and boosted superannuation.

    The 3.5 per cent pay claim would see an employee on the service’s median wage of $83,000 get a pay boost of about $12,000 over the life of a three-year new agreement.

    The average cardigan wearing public servant is on $83,000 a year, and now they want an extra week off each year!!

    What planet do these people live on??

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/state-s-public-servants-demand-3-5-percent-pay-rise-and-extra-week-s-holiday-20190716-p527s7.html

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2019 10:48 am

    Of course Trump isn’t racist. Neither is Pelosi, AOC notwithstanding.

    However, there are plenty of racists saying he is.

  82. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 10:49 am

    yawn yomm

    This is the paper that lied, repeatedly, about the cfs dispute.

    Why you read it is beyond me.

    Oh yea, they hate Unions

  83. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 11:00 am

    Of course Trump isn’t racist

    Telling people born in the USofA to go back home ROFL

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2019 11:22 am

    Stupidity isn’t racism.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 11:52 am

    Right… the CFA dispute, I see the fire chief has resigned after an international executive search – another one. Just one year in the job.

    That must be half a dozen in the last few years.

    It must be a great organisation that the ALP government is overseeing.

  86. July 17, 2019 11:53 am

    Stupidity isn’t racism.

    No but the former is usually a prerequisite for the latter.

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2019 12:18 pm

    “””The average cardigan wearing public servant is on $83,000 a year, and now they want an extra week off each year!”””””

    You forgot to add 15.4% Super when most of the country gets 9%. Plus lots of those would be on defined benefit schemes with a pension for life. Don’t know when those DBS were stopped.

    Govt is a necessary evil but should de as small and efficient as possible. Trouble is human nature. Once a human gets access to taxpayer money he can always justify why he needs more.

  88. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 12:21 pm

    Stupidity isn’t racism.

    Wot reb said

    “Sorry judge, I’m too stupid to be a racist”

    It must be a great organisation that the ALP government is overseeing.

    I thought malcum had fixed it all?

    You know, like he fixed the nbn 😦

    regardless, it doesn’t change the perpetual LIES spouted by farfax over the years.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 12:32 pm

    Really? Wasn’t it you that suggested that the union intervention into the volunteer CFA was one of the outcomes of the RC into the bushfires?

    But please, provide the details of the reports of The Age you say are untrue. Links too.

  90. July 17, 2019 12:51 pm

    Know Knead Two Pan Nick .. during the 1970s, Greenland accumulated 47 gigatonnes of ice per year, on average. Then, it lost an equivalent volume in the 1980s. The melting continued at that rate in the 1990s, before a sharp acceleration in the 2000s (187 Gt/year) and even more since 2010 (286 Gt/year). .. the ice loss we’ve seen in the last eight years is as much as was lost in the preceding four decades

    @this`ll sort the primates out

  91. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:06 pm

    Wasn’t it you that suggested that the union intervention into the volunteer CFA was one of the outcomes of the RC into the bushfires?

    LINK

    (no idea what you even mean here, or why it has ANY relevance to malcum promising to fix shit during an election campaign, and then ………… doing jack shit)

    But please, provide the details of the reports of The Age you say are untrue. Links too.

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  92. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:16 pm

    It’s all Labor fault

  93. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:17 pm

    Stoopid is wot stoopid dus

    Instances of bigotry involving Donald Trump span more than four decades. The Atlantic interviewed a range of people with knowledge of several of those episodes. Their recollections have been edited for concision and clarity.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:19 pm

    Does the EBA have provisions that provide consult and agree?

    Withholding agreement is… a veto?

  95. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:33 pm

    er, did you read the link yomm?

    The 2010 MFB agreement, the 2016 proposed CFA agreement, and presumably the proposed 2018 MFB agreement, all stipulate that if consultation discussions do not result in agreement, the matter proceeds to external dispute resolution.

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2019 1:48 pm

    Well isn’t that an improvement on the previous version. And such an efficient way to run an organization

  97. Tony permalink
    July 17, 2019 2:03 pm

    News flash for those fretting about franking credits: Labor lost the election. Get over it.

  98. Tony permalink
    July 17, 2019 2:04 pm

    ‘Falling down is not a failure. Failure comes when you stay where you have fallen.’ ~ Socrates

  99. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 2:09 pm

    Well isn’t that an improvement on the previous version

    wtf are you rambling about.

    Or is this your way of sweeping away from the fact that our media lied, repeatedly, again, about union matters?

    Falling down is not a failure.

  100. July 17, 2019 2:56 pm

    about “ franking credits: Labor lost ” @their problem isn`t the franking credits. Devotionals of team dishwater like vickyR don`t understand the maths to win, or the factors that drive the maths. This always gives the teabags an extremely large advantage at the ballot.

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2019 3:41 pm

    The word “racism” has become devalued by its overuse as the epithet of choice of leftists so that it now means little more than “I disagree with you and I’m too dumb to put a rational argument.”

    It would be better applied to actual racists like Omar, Pressley and the like.

  102. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 4:03 pm

    “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

    We are now in Humpty land, when you cannot call a racist a racist, because that’s probably being …. racist?

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2019 4:22 pm

    Trump didn’t say anything racist! He was condemning racists but that doesn’t make him racist.

  104. Tony permalink
    July 17, 2019 7:10 pm

    ‘Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.’ ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

  105. July 17, 2019 7:56 pm

    while “ democracy seeks equality in liberty ” @sounds like crap tinfoil`osy. The teabags have been feverishly scribbling away the average citizens rights under the pretense of `security` every chance they get, while the dishwaters me-too, me-too`d right along with`em.

  106. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2019 9:32 pm

    He was condemning racists

    “Go back home to your own country” is ‘condemning racists’ GUFFAAWW

    in case you missed it 😉

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

  107. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 1:48 pm

    SJWs can choke on their faux outrage. What Trump did last week was good strategy – just as Sleazy Pelosi was trying to distance the slightly less crazed democrats form the flying monkey squad Trump got Pelosi to embrace and defend them.

    Normal people seem to understand. Trump’s approval rating went up four points in the last week, no doubt due at least in part to his tweets.

    Meanwhile racist brotherfucker Ilhan Omar has a 9% approval rating.

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 1:54 pm

    Alexis de Tocqueville speaks truth, Tony. Also, socialism is people lining up for bread. Capitalism is bread lining up for people.

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 1:54 pm

  110. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 3:02 pm

    ‘A theory which is not refutable by any conceivable event is nonscientific. Irrefutability is not a virtue of a theory (as people often think) but a vice.’ ~ Karl Popper

  111. July 18, 2019 3:19 pm

    Great Toon splats, kind of sums-up everything the Legacy FakeNews outlets have thrown at theRonald over the last four years. l can`t see more pelosi and the fossils running the dnc being an answer to anything myself, except going under the trump-train (again) in 2020. However the `show` will be spectacular and production rumors the fifth season may include theBoris making many guest appearances.

  112. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2019 3:20 pm

    So, George Washington should have just gone back to England?

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 3:27 pm

    Did I say that?

  114. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 4:09 pm

    Did George Washington hate America? His actions would say probably not. But that’s not to say he didn’t tell some British to go back from whence they came. Racist!

  115. Toot permalink
    July 18, 2019 5:01 pm

    l`m surprised you lot don`t have anything to say on theBoris replacing britannia`s dud leader.

  116. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2019 5:13 pm

    Well, the Brits were the Government, and je was simply pointing out issues as he saw them

  117. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2019 5:14 pm

    Well, the Brits were the Government, and je was simply pointing out issues as he saw them

  118. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 5:42 pm

    I think he did more than point them out. The War for Independence springs to mind.🤣

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 6:54 pm

    Also, socialism is people lining up for bread. Capitalism is bread lining up for people.

    And delusion is believing propaganda … 3000 Vet Diggers on the street … what’s that? Capitalist GREED!

    FYI … democratic socialism supports capitalism AND supporting its people … especially the people who give you to the right to spout your “values” … I have no idea why you are so obtuse but it must have been traumatic and I empathise …

    Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2019 1:54 pm

    Do you have links for that cartoon? Trump Rants does not qualify …

    BTW how many weapons do you own?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see ToSy is on the sauce again!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And finally a question to stir a minimum of intellectual movement in a few bowels … is the Pope racist … who established the Vatican and when?

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 7:07 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/18/how-good-are-jobs-scott-morrison-says-rejecting-calls-to-raise-newstart

    The problem with religious nutcases running a nation! Lack of LOVE and too many PRAYERS!

    Anyone who believes that 100% employment (with a minimum of one hour a week) is possible … needs a brain implant!

    Oddly enough when their world comes crashing down all politicians expects is empathy!

    Well … if the Happy Clappy has a problem … guess what!

    ‘Cause life has some miserable KARMA … if ya wanna be serious!

  121. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 7:19 pm

    I see ToSy is on the sauce again!

    I see TB Queensland’s still an insufferable old fool. 🙄

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 7:42 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/widow-stripped-of-her-50000-life-savings-for-putting-away-too-much-of-her-pension/news-story/5bafa7089bc1bde91b552658572535ad

    The difference between capitalism and socialism …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see TB Queensland’s still an insufferable old fool. 🙄

    The difference between having a joke and ageist comments …

  123. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 7:55 pm

    The difference between having a joke and ageist comments …

    Now that’s hilarious.

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2019 8:14 pm

    WTF??? Just who does Albanese think he is?

    There will be several on his front bench that now won’t have anything to say.

    Anthony Albanese has asked frontbench colleagues to stop branding their opponents “liars”, in a concerted new effort by the Labor leader to lift the standard of political discourse.

  125. July 18, 2019 8:14 pm

    I notice when citizens .. of a certain age group .. get all het-up .. and all-CAPS shouty .. the certain age group .. should well and truly .. know by now .. there is no fcuing answer .. what so ever .. from anything in clowntown .. on just about anything .. and should have by now .. developed a robust sense of humor .. and sit back and watch .. and enjoy .. the nonstop imbecile show .. instead of having .. a hernia ..

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:37 pm

    Now that’s hilarious.

    Ahh … you do have sense of humour

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:38 pm

    There will be several on his front bench that now won’t have anything to say.

    Won’t stop the lying tho’!

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:38 pm

    Interesting demographics of the voting behaviour of AFL supporters.

    I was looking at this stuff after watching the Adam Goodes documentary, which was confronting.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-26/vote-compass-a-how-do-fans-of-your-afl-team-lean-politically/5919062

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:41 pm

    Won’t stop the lying tho’!

    Of course TB, no one would expect someone of your old age era to change their ways

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:45 pm

    tbagaz (I know your yer being nice) … I have very few regrets in life … one was not taking to the streets during the American War (as the Vietnamese call it) …

    We have many issues today even more dangerous … this forum is my street marching …

    How can you “enjoy” political sewerage without complaining about the stench?

    And FYI … my health is excellent … age … FYI and others, is just a fucking number … build a bridge – get over it!

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2019 9:48 pm

    Of course TB, no one would expect someone of your old age era to change their ways

    FFS! ToM I expected better from you … if all you pricks have is ageist attack comments … that is a reflection our society …

    Really sad day here …

  132. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2019 10:31 pm

    Oh, the faux outrage! What a fucking hypocrite.

  133. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:19 am

    Just who does Albanese think he is?

    Theon Greyjoy?

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:47 am

    Talk about sky fairies! There is no such thing as democratic socialism!

    No socialist regime has ever been democratic. Not Valenzuela, not Cuba, China, Vietnam, North Korea, the Soviet Union, Romania, Albania, Poland, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia – none of them. Even if they start with a popular vote the democracy doesn’t last long. Venezuela is now about APCs mowing down protesters.

    Remember when a bunch of terminally stupid dumb-ass cnuts (i.e. Labor, Greens and unionists) joined Phlatulant Phil Adams in begging Chavez to bring his wonderful system to Australia. Fuckwits one and all!

    And don’t even try to call capitalist welfare states “socialist”. They’re not.

    “Democratic socialism” – the perfect example of magical thinking. Seek help.

  135. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:53 am

    I think you are mixing Socialism with Democratic Socialism

    Probably deliberately

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/democratic-socialist-countries/

    You didn’t mention countries like Germany, Greenland or Denmark etal

    You know, the ones performing quite well thank you (probably because they haven’t had the USofA hammering down on them for years, aka Valenzuela(?)

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:56 am

    And the most interesting point he makes about system in Debmark is that it is taxed twice as much as the US.

    Hands up everyone that wants to pay twice as much tax.

  137. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 9:32 am

    Hands up everyone that wants to pay twice as much tax.

    Well, if you get twice the amount of services ……………

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQetpyA16jCHR8-yvOe5FS2s7kNRd8PiTo0UMTqh04Nr41urOmYPA

  138. ivi permalink
    July 19, 2019 9:52 am

    (Hands up everyone that wants to pay twice as much tax.

    Yeah; we ain’t payin’ no stinkin’ Godwin’s law tax; merely for mentionin’ Drumpf’s latest and greatest tirade about women on the younger side who are/n’t Amerika‘s type began with…. )

  139. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 9:58 am

    Hands up everyone that wants to pay twice as much tax.

    I want to give 100% of my income to the government and let it provide me with everything I need want. I’m sure all those smart-sounding politicians can handle my money much more wisely than I ever could.

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:09 am

    Well, if you get twice the amount of services 

    Yes, it would be marvelous to have twice as msnt public servants on $83,000 (plus 15% super) all wanting an extra week off.

  141. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:25 am

    Well, if you get twice the amount of services ……………

    I’d like twice as big a house, twice as many cars, twice as long holidays, twice as many restaurant meals, twice as many overseas trips … let’s see, what else …

  142. ivi permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:55 am

    (… let’s see, what else …

    Twice as many synapses; to allow that some (political-)market-interventions, on their own, or, more usually, in combination with ‘tax cuts’, might be understood as (il)legitimate(d) transfers of (in)effective(ly privatise)d) taxations from a ‘We, the People’ demos to ‘screw you, Jack (and, appreciably more often, Jill), I’ve got (yours and) mine’ vested interests?)

  143. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 11:21 am

    Twice as many synapse

    lol

    watch it, he’ll be doing the ‘old’ shtick on you soon 😉

  144. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 1:06 pm

    I usually don’t bother translating Metatron Meta ivi. He(?) knows why. I prefer plain English. His ‘style’ is over complicated, IMO. He disagrees, evidently.

  145. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 1:37 pm

    IMO. He disagrees, evidently.

    Of course, the other interpretation is … They understand what a “service” is 😉

  146. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 1:59 pm

    He disagrees about plain English being preferable to his writing style. He and I have discussed it before.

    As for ‘services’ they can be whatever ‘we’ want them to be. If I am taxed 100% I want them to be all my needs and wants.

    On the other hand, If I pay zero tax I don’t want any services.

    Services could be optional, according to how much tax you (want to) pay.

  147. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 2:14 pm

    As for ‘services’ they can be whatever ‘we’ want them to be.

    yea, sure humpty

    Government Services are services provided by the Government that benefits all society, not just you

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service

    If I am taxed 100%

    Then you are being robbed, and you are also probably a fucken idiot. It could be argued that you are a fucken idiot for even bringing it into the debate

    If I pay zero tax I don’t want any services.

    Then you probably the one most in need of the services.

    Although, in this country, I challenge you to find anyone who sits within that category.

  148. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 2:19 pm

    It could be argued that you are a fucken idiot for even bringing it into the debate

    Is that what you think?

  149. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 3:09 pm

    No, I don’t think you are an idiot tosy

    But I think it was a fucken stupid thing to say

  150. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 3:19 pm

    Perhaps you deliberately missed my point. I did use the first person singular. “If I pay zero tax, I don’t want any services.”

    In other words, I wish I had that option.

  151. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 3:25 pm

    I’m sure ivi doesn’t use one of these, but it’s fun to try.

    http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/gobbledygook-generator-2.html

  152. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 3:47 pm

    I pay zero tax,

    Not to labor (sic) the point, but the stupid thing you said was

    If I am taxed 100%

    Although, I would still be interested in seeing those who are paying ZERO tax? 😉

  153. July 19, 2019 3:53 pm

    ( l always find it strangely amusing that there are folks that are happy to (treasury)spend 100-mill to oppose a 15-mill program. They never have any outrage at the fools that give 13-bill to corporate agriculture water(theft) or loading state/s(treasury) with billions in corporate/s construction liability/s. The fcuk-u Jack, l`ve got mine(and yours) won`t convince the ice(melt) to spare them. Glug(Glug.) Glug.)

  154. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 4:00 pm

    the stupid thing you said was If I am taxed 100%

    Again, you miss the point. (Why do I bother?)

    Hypothetically(!), If I was paying 100% tax I would expect 100% of my needs catered for. They would then be my ‘services’.

  155. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 4:08 pm

    Hypothetically

    lol

    They would then be my ‘services’.

    it’s our time lol

  156. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:02 pm

    ‘It is not that we have so little time but that we lose so much. … The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully.’ ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca,

  157. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:09 pm

    George Orwell was also a bit of a fan of plain English.

    http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit/

  158. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:19 pm
  159. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:37 pm

    I’ll try and keep it “precise” then tosy 😉

    You keep confusing “mine” with “ours”

  160. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 5:51 pm

    Yeah, I don’t think I used either word. But I may be missing your point.

  161. July 19, 2019 6:13 pm

    ( Listen-up pinkist. The argument against national health systems by (neo)teabags has always been; ” they are not worth treasury saving, nor their children, nor their species.”

    l concur.)

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2019 6:42 pm

    “… The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully.’

    Obviously some of “we” do …

    But I may be missing your point.

    Not an uncommon trait …

    BTW, the “small government” that you seem to support … does not mean “no government” … but, small government, does mean less services … like infrastructure – roads – hospitals -bridges – railways – dams – power – schools – hospitals that “we” all use (at some time in our lives) … obviously “youse” don’t need them in your hover cars … and self medicated condition … and common sense** learning …

    … hope you or yours never get sick, or run out of water (I’ve got 20000 litres), or you need to get to work to earn all those $$$$, or to spend all them $$$$, or need electricity to charge your Blackberry (they’re back BTW) ( I’ve got solar power and hot water too!) and if you ever pro-create and need your kids educated you’ll need a school or three (much better than home tutored), oh and thanks for reducing the income for my wife and child by 70%, so I could play green machine games in the “we” army for a Liberal government … certainly not “my” army … where were you when I needed “you” … ?

    If you don’t like a social democratic nation … as, James Rohn, said, “Move, yer not a tree” …

    Your comment demonstrate a the naivety of someone who has never lived or experienced life … “… The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully.’

    And seeing as how you like quotes …

    Selfish … adjective … (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one’s own personal profit or pleasure.

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2019 6:47 pm

    Once again, Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News has been a crucial component of the outrage in Washington this week. Its leading voices have, in the eyes of critics, gone all out to excuse the inexcusable, although some critics of Trump had appeared on the network.

    Murdoch is either dead … or should be …

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/19/trump-fox-news-ilhan-omar-attack

  164. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 6:57 pm

    so I could play green machine games in the “we” army for a Liberal government … certainly not “my” army … where were you when I needed “you” … ?

    Yes, yes, I know you did National Service. So did my father. His father’s brother served in WW11. And my mother’s father served in WW1. None of them boasted or complained about it.

    Where was I? I was not yet born.

    Any more questions?

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:03 pm

    … but, small government, does mean less services … like infrastructure – roads…. pen pushing public sevants earning a median salary of $83,000 (plus 15% super) and demanding an extra week off a year.

  166. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:04 pm

    ” Yeah, I don’t think I used either word”

    Yor arguments are littered with “I” and “my”

    Try using “us” and “ours” instead 😉

  167. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:07 pm

    “Pen pushing public sevants earning a median salary of $83,000”

    Is that a fact or did you read it in farfax?

  168. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:14 pm

    Yor arguments are littered with “I” and “my”. Try using “us” and “ours” instead 😉

    Ohhh. I get it. Talk about the collective rather than the individual. Wait. Isn’t that the very essence of socialism? The state over the individual?

    No thanks. I believe the individual is sovereign over his/her own life, not the state.

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:18 pm

    It looks like Fairfax underestimated it!!

    $92,500… that seems a lot to turn up in a cardigan, eat some tim tams, go to a meeting and take the afternoon off on flexitime.

    https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Salaries/public-servant-salary-SRCH_KO0,14.htm

  170. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:23 pm

    $92,500… that seems a lot to turn up in a cardigan, eat some tim tams, go to a meeting and take the afternoon off on flexitime.

    Nice! Do they make you retire? Because that sounds like a job to keep till they carry you out toes first.

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2019 7:38 pm

    Yes, the tim tams are a lure… has anyone ever met a skinny public servant? But the downside is that the meetings are with other public servants.

  172. July 19, 2019 7:58 pm

    Sorry tinfoil`osy, this quote/ poem/ whatever/ The life we receive is not short but we make it so; we are not ill provided but use what we have wastefully. .. is pretty much crap in isolation/ without context. A baby dies soon after birth. Most would consider its life short, baby didn`t make it so, nor was baby wasteful. Sometimes quotes need background/ context, or they seem silly.

  173. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:00 pm

    If you don’t like a social democratic nation … as, James Rohn, said, “Move, yer not a tree” …

    You mean like Trump said to Teh Squad?

  174. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:13 pm

    Seneca was from Ancient Rome. I’m providing the quotes for interest’s sake. You can provide your own context.

    (What do they say now? Retweet is not endorsement, or something like that.)

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2019 8:37 pm

    “$92,500… that seems a lot to turn up in a cardigan, eat some tim tams, go to a meeting and take the afternoon off on flexitime.”

    That is an abomination. Plus 15.4% Super. No wonder all our manufacturing industries have gone. Govt is a necessary evil but is should be as small as possible.

  176. July 19, 2019 9:09 pm

    This week should we be celebrating; 1-moon landing 50-years ago, 2-mh17 5-years of FakeNews, 3-construction liability/s accumulation economy slide, 4-return of traditional industrial relations???

  177. Tom R permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:00 pm

    No thanks. I believe the individual is sovereign over his/her own life, not the state.

    Yea, then fuck off move and live on an island. Until then, while you share the space with the rest of us, then try to remember that you are living in a society from which you have derived your standard of living.

    And that didn’t happen just because of you.

    Glass door yomm, you really are grasping.

    Although, I would imagine the salary of the average Public Servant would be elevated, since the libs have basically outsourced the majority of jobs, especially low paying ones, to private contractors.

    Which is working a treat obviously, since they won’t let us see the figures on their performance.

    But haven’t OUR services worked great in recent years?

    #robodebt, #medicarehacks, #censusfail, #cladding

    Yea, bring BACK the public servants, and put back that bloody RED tape that helped stop most of this rot.

  178. Tony permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:13 pm

    Yea, then fuck off move and live on an island. Until then, while you share the space with the rest of us, then try to remember that you are living in a society from which you have derived your standard of living.
    And that didn’t happen just because of you.

    I’m pretty sure it didn’t happen because of government. Governments don’t add anything to the GDP of a country. Nothing. They tax productive individuals and enterprises and redistribute those taxes to unproductive sectors of the economy.

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 19, 2019 10:14 pm

    TomR

    U believe what u want to believe. like all lefties you are most probably evil. U locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013 and u have never apologised.

    Thank goodness Shorten did not win govt. Then the locking up of kiddies would have started again. What an abomination the ALP is

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2019 8:49 am

    So Tom R what is the average salary for a public servant, if you are dismissve of that link?

    I’m fine with the median quoted in Fairfax of $83,000 (plus the 15% super)

    But of course that isn’t enough for those admin consumers of tim tams, they want an extra week off, because they work soooooo hard!!

  181. Tony permalink
    July 20, 2019 8:58 am

  182. Tony permalink
    July 20, 2019 8:05 pm

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2019 10:26 pm

    Private school bullies…

  184. July 21, 2019 12:52 pm

    I`m ” pretty sure it didn`t happen because of government. Governments don`t add anything

    Correct. Not for us LogCabin`rs in southYarra anyway. Just because those soft commies in moonee fcuking ponds have drainage, gas, sewer, piped fresh water, telecom, post, electric, paved roads and fancy footpaths does not mean this taxpayer funded extravagance should spread. Fetch your own water. Chop your own fire wood.

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