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Frankly, George Calombaris is really just a bit of cunt.

August 1, 2019

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He’s the poor little Greek boy who hit the big time and made millions from his reputation as a restaurateur and television personality.

However, his reputation has since been dragged through the proverbial gutter after it was revealed that he had underpaid his 500 employees to the tune of 7.83 million dollars.

George Calombaris appeared on the ABC’s flagship current affairs program “730” last night to explain that it was “an honest mistake,” wasn’t intentional, and that he “didn’t know anything about it.”

His performance has been widely slammed as a “desperate PR stunt,” and shameless attempt to rescue his rapidly unravelling reputation and professional standing.

In an industry that is widely regarded as paying the lowest levels of remuneration at the best of times, and demands of its workers – long hours, often poor conditions and arduous work – ripping them off by failing to pay overtime or other penalty rates is quite possibly the worst of the worst.

But of course, Calombaris would no doubt assume that some lowly apprentice chef or kitchenhand would so relish the opportunity to work alongside his magnificent ego that payment in monetary terms would seem so woefully inadequate and unnecessary by comparison.

In George’s defence, who amongst us hasn’t noticed a spare 8 million dollars sitting in our bank account that we would have otherwise thought would have been allocated towards entirely expected and predictable business expenses? It’s an easy mistake to make, and one that George misguidedly assumed everyone would believe. He even threw in some tears for good measure.

Let’s not forget, this is the same George Calombaris who in 2012 slammed the Fair Work Act for instituting penalty rates for restaurant staff, claiming they were “uneconomical” for small businesses.

He complained that some of his restaurants were unprofitable on a Sunday because he was required to pay staff up to $40 an hour. He is quoted to have said:

“The problem is that wages on public holidays and weekends greatly exceed the opportunity for profit – it’s not like they’ve had to go to uni for 15 years.”

In that same year, Calombaris moved from a $740,000 Victorian terrace in Fitzroy North to a $2.7 million house in Toorak.

He then upgraded again in 2013, buying another Toorak property for $4.75 million.

Nevertheless, it seems that people have already made up their minds about George Calombaris and don’t like what they see.

From picking a fight with a spectator at a football match, to ripping off his staff, to now begging people to eat at his restaurants, it appears the ego has finally landed.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

 

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  1. August 1, 2019 1:33 pm

    The one question that Leigh Sales should’ve asked but didn’t:

    “Did any of your employees approach you directly to raise their concerns about underpayment?”

  2. Walrus permalink
    August 1, 2019 1:35 pm

    “In George’s defence, who amongst us hasn’t noticed a spare 8 million dollars sitting in our bank account……………………”

    OK I’ll bite

    1) The Modern Award in this industry is one of the most complex that I have ever seen with extraordinarily detailed classifications impacting upon the hourly rate.

    e.g Have you ever waited by the “Please Wait to be Seated” sign frustrated that wait staff know you are standing there but ignoring you. That’s because they are not allowed to seat you per the Award. That’s upto the staff on a higher classification and of course a higher rate. So until one of those sees you then you are going to be left like a shag on a rock

    2) George was the front of shop owner when he started opening restaurants. His business partner was in charge of the back office.

    3) George went to Fair Work voluntarily

    4) Over all those years there is no evidence (not that I know of) of any employee complaining about their rates of pay to the management. So even the employees had no idea. It’s only since all this became public that ex employees started screaming like banshees

  3. Walrus permalink
    August 1, 2019 1:42 pm

    And as far as the $200K penalty is concerned even the ATO (if you get a reasonable ATO staffer) will impose a minimal penalty for voluntary disclosure

  4. August 1, 2019 1:48 pm

    “So even the employees had no idea”

    Are you seriously suggesting the employees had no idea they were being underpaid…??

  5. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 1:53 pm

    The Modern Award in this industry is one of the most complex that I have ever seen with extraordinarily detailed classifications impacting upon the hourly rate.

    Some would say ‘concise’

    It’s like dejavu here. I recall how some idiot tried to tell us how each Award was over two feet thick

    The Award system is there for clarity. Most businesses only require a few to operate. A part of running a business is knowing how to treat your workers. If you don’t like the way they are treated here, take your place of business overseas!

    It also provides consiseness for the employer, who, when someone complains about a job, the employer can just point to the Award.

    That’s upto the staff on a higher classification and of course a higher rate

    I think that you will find it also provides the flexibilty for this to be designated to others. It is simply the base point from which individual businesses can deviate.

    George was the front of shop owner when he started opening restaurants. His business partner was in charge of the back office.

    Sorry officer, I started out in the back seat…………… 😯

    AND

    “Let’s not forget, this is the same George Calombaris who in 2012 slammed the Fair Work Act for instituting penalty rates for restaurant staff, claiming they were “uneconomical” for small businesses.”

    For someone who was ignorant, he had a lot to say

    George went to Fair Work voluntarily

    Shit, they’re onta me 😦

    Over all those years there is no evidence (not that I know of)

    We’ll just leave that there 😉

  6. Walrus permalink
    August 1, 2019 1:57 pm

    “Are you seriously suggesting the employees had no idea they were being underpaid…??”

    FWA would have been onto George et al if they were aware and had taken it to FWA. That’s especially the case if they became an ex-employee since there is then no risk of recrimination.

    I’ll guarantee George is not alone.

  7. August 1, 2019 2:06 pm

    “Top ABC radio presenter Jon Faine has lashed Leigh Sales’ 7.30 over a prerecorded interview with celebrity chef George Calombaris, which he attacked as nothing more than an ‘ad’ for the embattled restaurateur.”

    Jon Faine said he accepted his words might lose him friends but said he was disappointed by last night’s interview with the former MasterChef judge, which was aired on the flagship 7.30 program.

    “I personally, if this costs me friendships and relationships with some of my colleagues in other parts of this organisation, then I’m sorry,” he said on air this morning.

    “But I was very disappointed that the ABC agreed to do the interview on his turf in a way that he could … turn it into an ad.”

    Speaking to a worker who said she has yet to receive backpay, Faine said:“ What did you think of the ABC agreeing to interview him in one of his own restaurants, allowing him to constantly turn it into an ad, by saying we’re committed to great food and great service?”

    Fair Work inspectors found significant underpayments occurred because they failed to correctly apply annualised salary arrangements for some staff, including by failing to conduct annual reconciliations to check that workers on annual salary arrangements were paid for overtime and penalty rate hours worked.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/george-calombaris-jon-faine-lashes-abc-interview/news-story/44a4ddc62117b9703b746ae9cd80d680

  8. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2019 2:14 pm

    I’ll guarantee George is not alone.

    No ones taking that bet

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/30/we-might-laugh-at-sushi-pizza-but-wage-theft-can-be-a-deliberate-business-strategy

    failing to conduct annual reconciliations to check that workers on annual salary arrangements were paid for overtime and penalty rate hours worked.

    SLASH RED TAPE!

  9. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 1, 2019 10:00 pm

    The ego has landed. Splat !

    ____

    Yes, Sales missed (my thoughts too) Over the years how many of your workers have complained about their pay?

    ____

    No sympathy here blubbers, he tripped over his own self inflicted accounting tricks.

  10. August 1, 2019 10:32 pm

    Of course faine is correct that it was much more ad/puff than solid interview, but it has been for quite a while now, ever since they threw out the `report` and downBranded to a mere `number` show. ls faine just noticing this now. Rumors came out of ultimo years ago that; the new host of the time struggled to find her inner `kerry`, the assigned clowntown side-kick was highly annoying, and some tunc live on twitter kept apologizing to viewers for her mistakes, side-kicks mistakes, shows mistakes, and general network breach of charter.

    It`s All Twitters Fault !

  11. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 8:22 am

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Who’s religions gonna win this one ROFL

  12. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2019 9:07 am

    ‘a synagogue of Satan’ and ‘a paganistic ritual’

    I think it’s kinda accurate lol

    Then again, it could be turned back on who said it too 🙂

    FUCK ‘EM ALL!

  13. August 2, 2019 10:53 am

    iv.. Jan.2018 More than half of the 1,900 ultra-luxury apartments built in London last year failed to sell, raising fears that the capital will be left with dozens of “posh ghost towers “.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/26/ghost-towers-half-of-new-build-luxury-london-flats-fail-to-sell

    He says hundreds of Asian investors who had bought London developments off-plan in 2015-16 in the hope of making a quick profit by selling apartments on closer to completion have instead lost hundreds of thousands of pounds. “They intended to flip (buy and sell on) the apartments and make big profits, but it hasn`t worked out like that, and now they are trying to get out at the smallest possible loss.”

    He adds that in one case a Russian investor bought an off-plan property in 2014 for 3.1m, but couldn`t afford to complete and sold it for 2.55m.

    Herd says the Nine Elms development, near the new US embassy in south London, was one of the best redevelopment schemes in Europe but consisted of ” the wrong properties that Londoners(@locals) don`t need“.

    “We need `affordable` one- or two-bedroom apartments priced at 500,000. We don`t need swimming pools and empty rooftop bars with no one living at home to buy drinks at them. There`s just way too many 1.5m-2m-3m flats that all look the same.

    @-ghost towers (and ghost homes) already in jonestown folks, coming to boltsvillage and southport real soon.

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2019 3:57 pm

    So until one of those sees you then you are going to be left like a shag on a rock

    Sounds like a personal problem to me …

    BTW … my employees had access to their Award, Workplace Health and Safety and Workers Compensation Legislation … in the lunch room … you’s besurprised how many workers can actually read now …

    (Sarc Alert: You’d think a person pay rate would be commonsense, hey?)

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2019 11:26 pm

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lawyersweekly.com.au/biglaw/25814-are-employment-contracts-being-used-to-control-employees-lives/amp

    Josh Bornstein on the danger of Rugby Australia winning.

  16. August 3, 2019 9:53 am

    Publicly claimed, but in reality, wedged or forced.

    Obviously you`re blubbering like an apologist dill coz they got caught-out using the same krusty-burger staffing model you have bragged using for your clients. As puffy as sales show was, the critical details were obtained. The biz has been going 25-plus years. The audit was only for last 7-years, averaging OVER 1.1(-mill) of wage THEFT.pa. The earlier 18-years of wage THEFT the biz has got away with, so far. That would still total OVER 10-mill of wage THEFT by my guestimates. The 200k `fine` and refund of STOLEN wages is a joke.

  17. August 3, 2019 9:58 am

    3) “ went to Fair Work voluntarily

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2019 7:02 pm

    Shine Lawyers legal consultant Samantha Mangwana subsequently said that all lawyers must show restraint on social media, especially partners, as their conduct can have a reputational impact upon the firm.

    Last paragraph … sorta buggers the article concept …

    “At the time they sign the contract, they have not seen any of these documents. But nevertheless, it’s binding. Interestingly, the contracts usually also, almost invariably, contain a provision saying, ‘You are bound to comply with those commitments in those documents, but the company is not’.”

    But in Folau’s case … he had been made aware of the contractual agreement, warned and he went ahead and did the same (only worse) thing again … and thus breached his contract …

    $10 million, reinstatement and apology is an ambit claim extraordinaire … and if Folau does “win” … I suspect a class action for defamation from a wide range of the LGBTI community … and his cousin ain’t helped his case one bit …

    Everyone has freedom of speech and freedom of religious expression (including agnosticism and atheism) but with freedom of speech comes responsibility of speech … and the consequences if someone’s lifestyle is denigrated or harmed …

    The case, arguments, outcomes and fallout are going to make interesting reading …

  19. August 3, 2019 7:13 pm

    “Where is the outrage over the fate of the other Folau?”

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/where-is-the-outrage-over-fate-of-the-other-folau-20190802-p52dcd.html

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2019 7:28 pm

    And while we “discuss” a couple of ranting religious nutjobs … Trump dumps a nuclear weapons treaty, Morrison’s Marauders talk about nuclear power and the government encourages a right wing rant tank @$559 a pop – guess who pays for that …

    I don’t recall any mention of nuclear power stations during the election?

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2019 7:32 pm

    Thanks, reb … and goodonya Pete!

    Religion=Hypocrisy

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2019 10:06 pm

    Workplace Relations Partner of the Year at the recent Lawyers Weekly Partner of the Year Awards, Maurice Blackburn partner Josh Bornstein (pictured) said that while the Israel Folau saga had raised the issue of freedom of religious expression in mainstream conversation, the broader issue of employee rights to express views online is not new.

    His “fundamental concern”, he explained, is that employers are using employment contracts to “control more and more of employees’ lives well beyond the workplace”, in ways that undermine the rights of a citizen to engage in debate. 

    I find it amusing that this outcome is the precedent that the left are barracking for!!

    Their fury about Folau’s comments are preventing them from understanding the consequesnes of ARU being successful in this case.

    Bornstein expresses this risk very well

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2019 10:10 pm

    Where is the outrage over the fate of the other Folau?”

    May I suggest you have a look at how the Fair Work Act expresses employment protection

  24. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 8:52 am

    So yomm, which religous nutjob is right with the katlicks kicking out and folau things rellie for calling their religion ‘a synagogue of Satan’ and ‘a paganistic ritual’

    Also, I don’t think Bornstein is defending Folau’s case in this. Perhaps a re-read is in order?

  25. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 10:59 am

    I see dutton thinks Oz needs to catch up with the US on the mass murder counts.

    He’s got the hate going, next step, the guns

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/15/peter-dutton-considering-request-for-gun-importers-to-review-rule-changes

  26. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2019 11:34 am

    I see dutton thinks Oz needs to catch up with the US on the mass murder counts.
    He’s got the hate going, next step, the guns

    How do you work that out? That article was from 15 March, 2018. Have you noticed any change in our gun laws since then? Not to mention the minister’s spokesperson was quoted in that article saying “In relation to firearms policy generally, the government has a strong policy in place and the fundamentals of that won’t be changing.”

    #histrionics #bullshit

  27. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 11:56 am

    Yes, in relation to looking after the disabled, the grubmint has a policy

    Stealing their money and pretending they have a surplus

    You’ll excuse me if I ignore statements from proven liars, won’t you 😉

    It’s their actions I watch

  28. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2019 12:03 pm

    It’s their actions I watch

    That’s fine. So instead of changing the subject, what actions has the government taken in regards to our gun laws since that article was written?

  29. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 12:11 pm

    what actions has the government taken in regards to our gun laws since that article was written?

    Pretty sure nobody knows, considering the secrecy going on

    I see that dutton released a ONE page report on his office. Heavily redacted 😉

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 12:13 pm

    I think you need to read the FWC link, and that will clarify the legal status re Folau 2

    Re Boreinstein, of course he wasn’t defending Folau, he was making the very valud pount about the restrictions that corporate policy places on the adility people to participte in public debate.

    That is the fact and the left is barrackung for a High Court decision that is likely to extend this.

    But typically, the left are blinded by their anger about the individual.

    When the consequences of the High Court decision become clear, the left will complain about the result.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 12:16 pm

    * typos aren’t poor grammar or incorrect spelling

  32. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 12:20 pm

    I think you need to read the FWC link, and that will clarify the legal status re Folau 2

    I need to read a link for yor opinions

    How the worm has turned.

    So, you’re batting with the catlicks this time?

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 1:00 pm

    No, I’ve never said I agrred with Folau 1 either.

    I’ve pointed to the legal employment protections about expression of religious (and other) opinion/orientation. The link summarieses this.

    The law specifically excludes cases like Folau 2.

    But… are you interested in the precedent this case is likely to set in the rights of employers., through policy, to direct the opinions employees may express

  34. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 1:13 pm

    are you interested in the precedent this case is likely to set in the rights of employers., through policy, to direct the opinions employees may express

    I’m more interested in how a religious nutjob can sign a contract he disagrees with so he can get shitloads of cash, deliberately break that contract, and still expect shitloads of cash.
    They didn’t sack him because of his religion. They sacked him cos he said stupid thing publicly he had signed a contract not to say.
    The link summarizes this (see example 1:) 😉

    As for the teacher crying, I just love the spectacle of religious nutjobs fighting it out over who’s nuttiest (I reckon it’s a stalemate)

  35. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2019 1:24 pm

    Pretty sure nobody knows, considering the secrecy going on

    The correct answer is: None. Our gun laws haven’t changed.

    #cutthecrap #bullshitartist

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 1:24 pm

    So all those people that work for in a restaurant and sign a contract that says – “your salary is $45,000 per year, and this compensates you for all hours worked… ” – they have contracted out of their LEGAL protections?

    Because protection of wages/hours is protected the same way as rekigioys expression- people cannot contract out of their legal rights.

    Do you support this?

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 1:25 pm

    rekigioys – that’s a good word

  38. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 2:10 pm

    your salary is $45,000 per year, and this compensates you for all hours worked

    I think you will find is illegal for that sort of work, it’s why we have the Award system 😉

  39. August 5, 2019 2:57 pm

    The ghost of blib stooten will be haunting albo`s run, telling my abc he is: committed to a future in the Federal Parliament, vowing he has “still got the fire for politics” in his first formal interview since May’s election loss.

    @-dare l predict 138 weeks before the next fedvote |-:

  40. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 3:06 pm

    Albo doesn’t need ill to stuff things up. He’s doing a wonderful job of that all by himself.

    Consider the Crown casino fiasco, he’s been able to make it all about Labor. What a tosser

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 3:06 pm

    Employment protections in the FWA apply to pay, hours and a range of other matters including protection of employment relating to religion.

    Do you think employers should be able to limit the opinions of employees through their policies?

  42. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2019 3:18 pm


    Albo doesn’t need ill to stuff things up. He’s doing a wonderful job of that all by himself … What a tosser

    Who else have you got? It’s like a reserves team playing in the firsts.

  43. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 3:22 pm

    Do you think employers should be able to limit the opinions of employees through their policies?

    As long as those opinions don’t interfere with the businesses operations, they shouldn’t be limited

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 3:36 pm

    There will be dozens of examples about (former) friends, partners, spouses, who deal with one another in business, particularly customer and supplier .

    Just an easy example – someone says on facebook, about a (former) friend who happens to be the customer of the business – “he cheats at golf”

    Employer says – he’s an important customer and our policy is that you can’t insult our customers. Here’s your warning… second time – here is your dismissal.

    That is the right leftists will give to employers

  45. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 3:42 pm

    and our policy is that you can’t insult our customers.

    Did they sign on with that policy in mind? (I would assume yes, I mean, we cannot bag our clients, in or out of work)

    Of course, someone who drives business away is a liability, of course they will be terminated.

    Bloody leftist, protecting business owners like that

    Meanwhile, wear a sticker that is non confrontational and a danger to no one, get the sack!

    That’s the right the right have given employers

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 3:50 pm

    Or how about a union delegate who is letting it be known in the industry that he considers the company to be behaving unethically in their dealings with the union.

    That isn’t protected industrial action, and it is damaging to the standing and reputation of the business.

    1.Warning
    2. Dismissal

  47. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 4:19 pm

    Or how about a union delegate who is letting it be known in the industry that he considers the company to be behaving unethically in their dealings with the union.

    #ChangeTheRules

    This is because Union delegates are breaking the law when highlighting the wrong business is doing.

    That’s the right the right have given employers

    And how they get to call the CFMMEU law breakers

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 4:25 pm

    Hilsrious. You’re supporting a High Court decision that will greatly increase the control employers have over views employees express!

    I think you’ll finish up being very unhappy with the consequences of the decision you want.

  49. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2019 4:27 pm

    Hilsrious. You’re supporting a High Court decision that will greatly increase the control employers have over views employees express!

    Actually, I see it as them upholding existing legislation.

    And not one of the dumbass add ones the libs have done that actually attacks workers rights

    Meanwhile, yomm wants workers to be able to bring a business to it’s knees, cos a worker has an issue with a client.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2019 5:08 pm

    So you disagree with the head partner for employment law at Maurice Blackburn!

    …and meanwhile, Tom R wants to allow the policies of an employer to supersede legislated employment rights which are intended to prevent discrimination.

  51. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 8:13 am

    and meanwhile, Tom R wants to allow the policies of an employer to supersede legislated employment rights which are intended to prevent discrimination.

    You read bad

    So, it’s legislated that an employee can abuse clients outside of work hours, with no recourse from the employer.

    You’ll have to point me to the relevant section.

  52. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 9:20 am

    That’s the right the right want to give employers!

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2019 10:44 am

    At present there is little authoritative case law about the extent that employment contracts can limit the out of hours “free speech” of employees.
    The ARU / Folau case will establish the limits of this and wherher an employment contract can supercede statutory employment protections.
    While MB’s Josh Bornstein understands this, most of the left are blind to the likely consequences of an ARU win.

  54. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 11:08 am

    From my earlier link yomm

    “Social media policies must be clear and understood by all employees”

    They specifically wrote it into his contract. They mediated with him over it. They warned him about it.

    He flouted it!

    Someone who wants to kick workers off sites for wearing stickers, wants a multi millionaire to get awarded damages for flagrantly breaking a specific contract.

    Privilege has no bounds

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2019 11:33 am

    The ARU case is baed on employees being able to contract out of their statutory employment protections.

    That’s what you are supporting.

  56. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2019 11:53 am

    [facepalm]

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 9:37 am

    Shorten Failed to Understand the Middle Class, says Keating

    NO!!! BLAME PALMER AND THE MEDIA!!

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bill-shorten-failed-to-understand-the-middle-class-paul-keating-says-20190806-p52ejk.html

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 11:15 am

    Public servant loses free speech case in the High Court, that should be great news to the left, and we can now expect more employer control over the expression of personal views and opinions

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/former-public-servant-michaela-banerji-loses-high-court-free-speech-case-20190807-p52enu.html

  59. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2019 11:50 am

    Do you notice the difference between this case and the religious nutjobs?

    This case should not even have gone ahead, let alone won.

    But silence from the free speech warriors who are vehemently defending a multi millionaire who used his platform to spread hatred, but leave an anonymous poster to the wolves.

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 12:04 pm

    I’m not aware that anyone has suggested that the views either expressed were illegal.

    Therefore both expressed views that were contrary to their employer’s policy and were dismissed as a consequence.

  61. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2019 12:33 pm

    <i.Therefore both expressed views that were contrary to their employer’s policy and were dismissed as a consequence.

    One did it publicly, the other did it anonymously.

    There was no direct blowback on her employer, only the Government

    It’s in BigBrother district.

  62. Enemy`Of`The`People`Teabag permalink
    August 7, 2019 12:58 pm

    osy is being over generous with .. reserve-team .. and keating is full of carp .. 2/3rds of voters have dumped blib stooten .. pole after pole .. after pole .. after pole .. after pole .. after pole .. after pole x70

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 1:30 pm

    I see.

    Folau expressed a legal opinion about religion, which was contrary to the policy of his employer. He was dismissed.

    Michaela Banerji expressed a legal view about a political issue, which was contrary to the policy of her employer. She was dismissed.

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 1:41 pm

    And expect more of this control via employer policy, so you have what you were hoping for.

  65. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2019 1:48 pm

    And expect more of this control via employer policy, so you have what you were hoping for.

    You don;’t seem to grasp the difference between an employer publicly mocking compared with someone anonymously mocking

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 2:07 pm

    If the law allows dismissal for anonymous opinion, Folau will probably lose, but the consequences of both cases will be to enable employers to restrict the participation of employees in public debate.

    As I’ve said, that’s the consequence that much of the left haven’t comprehended

  67. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2019 2:21 pm

    that’s the consequence that much of the left haven’t comprehended

    The consequences are miles apart, and the outcomes of both will send a stark reminder about what freedoms we do and don’t have.

    if you agree with the grubmint, you are free to spout it.

    That’s the opposite of ‘debate’

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 2:35 pm

    if you agree with the grubmint, your employer you are free to spout it.

  69. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2019 3:23 pm

    I think you’ll find the relisous nutter isn’t the first one to disagree with Rugby Australia

    I think he’s about the only one to malign a group of people, fans no less (and think he can get away with it)

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 3:41 pm

    As I’ve said employer policy is limiting the right of employees to express legal opinions.

    But you are supportive of that

  71. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2019 3:59 pm

    As I’ve said employer policy is limiting the right of employees to express legal opinions.

    ah, ‘legal opinions’

    So, is abusing a minority group ‘legal’?

    And try and think about it without using religion as a protection.

  72. August 7, 2019 4:19 pm

    the “ other did it anonymously ” @-hey dummy, once she was found-out she was no longer anon, a bit like a bank robber in a ski mask. Then Not. She signed the aps contract or accepted aps as conditions of job; just as falou was given a 2nd chance and choice of preacher or player; he accepted the conditions too. Both were foolish, both broke contract, both are stuck with their self inflicted blowback.

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2019 4:49 pm

    So, is abusing a minority group ‘legal’?

    I haven’t heard of an opinion to the contrary. Sre you aware of any legal advice that it contravened a law?

  74. Tony permalink
    August 7, 2019 6:49 pm

    Labor’s version of free speech: make it illegal to criticise (their favourite) religion.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2019 10:13 pm

    Sre you aware of any legal advice that it contravened a law?

    I’d go for breach of contract … and the law of torts to begin with …

  76. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 5:37 am

    once she was found-out

    The doxed her you fool

    Sre you aware of any legal advice that it contravened a law?

    It was hypothetical. Which I thought would have been clear with the wavers I gave it.

    Labor’s version of free speech: make it illegal to criticise (their favourite) religion.

    Agreed, she went a bit far there in her jihad against a dick.

  77. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 5:56 am

    Speaking of what is legal and what isn’t.

    I’m sure this will be found to be ‘legal’

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/the-government-claimed-this-woman-s-tax-return-now-she-s-taking-them-to-court

  78. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 6:10 am

    And this happens, even when the ‘valid reasons for not meeting obligations’ are onerous and unreasonable.

    One in five who had support cut were later found by job agency to have had valid reason for not meeting obligations

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/08/more-than-120000-people-whose-welfare-was-suspended-were-not-at-fault-data-shows?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    All to try and get a surplus. Paid for by the poor and the handicapped.

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2019 8:06 am

    ’d go for breach of contract … and the law of torts to begin with …

    That’s absolutely fascinating TB. HOw would you go about that?

  80. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 8:15 am

    As suspected, according to the law, the public servant almost had to lose

    #ChangeTheRules

    Governments don’t like exposure, especially negative.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/08/social-media-is-a-dangerous-space-for-public-servants-they-are-being-locked-out-of-modern-life

  81. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 8:24 am

    Interesting (and kinda supports the decision, and some posters here who shall remain unnamed ……. yomm 😉 )

    Doesn’t mean that the law isn’t wrong.

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2019 8:54 am

    Yes, public servants have always been restricted in participation in public debate, and now there’s case law to support this. When case law extends to the private sector, you should be very pleased!

  83. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 9:00 am

    And I see ulman etal are at the wind wars again, with AER taking the wind generators to court over the SA system Black event

    It alleged the companies failed to comply with performance requirements to ride through major disruptions and disturbances, and breached the National Electricity Rules.
    ………..
    These alleged failures contributed to the black system event, and meant that AEMO [Australian Energy Market Operator] was not fully informed when responding to system-wide failures in South Australia in September 2016.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-07/regulator-legal-action-against-energy-companies-over-sa-blackout/11390400

    Although, it appears they can’t blame ignorance, so just stupidity?

    Giving testimony for the SA Parliamentary Inquiry into the blackouts, AEMO acknowledged it knew about the lower windfarm tolerance settings months before the blackout on 28 Sept 2016.

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/aer-sues-four-wind-farm-companies-over-south-australian-blackout-56577/

  84. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 9:01 am

    When case law extends to the private sector, you should be very pleased!

    yomm. As I pointed out, in one, he was publicly abusing customers, after being warned not to, in another, she was anonymously pointing out defects.

  85. ivi permalink
    August 8, 2019 9:52 am

    (When case law extends to the private sector, you should be very pleased!

    Correct(-ish).

    I’m almost perty sure that an (a)political) HCA, unanimously, left open to itself, purely by happenstance, and with utmost subtlety, a relatively easy path to (contra)distinguishing(s): by explicitly stressing its obliged/ing observance of the (un)coverage(s) of the decayed/ing remnants of the antiqu(at)ed figleaf of the (a)political) public(-service)/private(-sector) dichotomy. Or, something(s) like that.)

  86. Tony permalink
    August 8, 2019 9:59 am

    in another, she was anonymously pointing out defects.

    Which all sounds very reasonable on the face of it, until you look at the relevant APS policy.

    It’s always safest to assume that anything you say will be traced back to you and that you will be identified as an employee of this agency. Making comments anonymously, or using a pseudonym, can’t be relied on to protect you.

    Then there’s this, under dos and don’ts:

    Don’t criticise the agency or the Minister. If you feel that we’re not doing everything as well as we could, there are other avenues for you to make complaints

    Don’t comment on policy matters that we’re involved with

    https://www.apsc.gov.au/making-public-comment-and-participating-online

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2019 10:27 am

    Yes, in the private sector this translates as – “Do not provide public commentary that adversely effects (or has the potential to effect) our business operations, our reputation, our commercial interests, or the confidence of our customers.”

    Let’s see how that plays out with the rights of –
    * banking employees to publicly discuss finance industry practices,
    * airline employees discussing safety,
    * transport discussing working hours,

    Welcome to the consequences of overarching corporate intrusion into the ability of individuals to speak their mind.

  88. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 11:01 am

    Welcome to the consequences of overarching corporate intrusion into the ability of individuals to speak their mind.

    Well, I’m guessing “gays will die on planes” is a bit different from “people will die on planes”

    #justsaying

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2019 12:59 pm

    I don’t think the ARU will be relying on whether his opinions are homophobic or not, or religious or not.

    I think they will mainly argue that his actions had the potential to cause damage to the reputation and commercial interests of the ARU, that they have policies to protect such interests. Therefore dismissal was reasonable.

    The same argument can be applied to each of the examples I provided.

    But go ahead, continue to support the intervention of employer policy into the ability of people to participate in a debate.

  90. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 1:03 pm

    I think they will mainly argue that his actions had the potential to cause damage to the reputation and commercial interests of the ARU, that they have policies to protect such interests. Therefore dismissal was reasonable.

    Not sure if I’m concerned that you agree with me or not?

    But go ahead, continue to support the intervention of employer policy into the ability of people to participate in a debate.\

    Not sure where you get your delusions from?

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2019 1:16 pm

    Not sure if I’m concerned that you agree with me or not?

    That’s the ARU argument, I’m not endorsing it.

  92. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 1:21 pm

    That’s the ARU argument, I’m not endorsing it.

    whew 🙂

  93. Tony permalink
    August 8, 2019 1:40 pm

    You have to feel bad for this person, being dealt such a bad hand in life.

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2019 2:47 pm

    I’m a male too! So how do you think I feel?

  95. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2019 3:49 pm

    I’m a male too! So how do you think I feel?

    With your hands?

  96. Tony permalink
    August 8, 2019 3:49 pm

    I’m a male too!

    Even more disgusting and shameful! How do you live with yourself?

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 8, 2019 4:24 pm

    The comments on that tweet are pure gold!

    What a sorry excuse for a human being Rosanna is.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2019 4:50 pm

    I’m considering becoming a male version….

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C5CHFA_enAU820AU830&biw=1577&bih=918&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=8MVLXam5NNn5rQH6nJrIAw&q=rachel+dolezal&oq=rach&gs_l=img.1.0.0i67j0l2j0i67l2j0l5.17710.22350..24805…2.0..0.269.1178.0j4j2……0….1..gws-wiz-img…….0i5i30.6HGPdQr_9ck

  99. Tony permalink
    August 8, 2019 5:27 pm

  100. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 7:02 am

    Government owned broadband? What could possibly go wrong?

  101. ivi permalink
    August 9, 2019 7:12 am

    (I’m considering becoming a male version….

    No comment.)

  102. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 8:17 am

    What could possibly go wrong?

    er, the libs…………..

  103. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 8:31 am

    er, the libs…………..

    That’s the government part of government-owned broadband. Those who come up with a given scheme may not necessarily control it.

  104. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 8:38 am

    Those who come up with a given scheme may not necessarily control it.

    And if the libs had kept to the plan that the experts devised, then we wouldn’t be in this shit.

    But the libs had to be libs

  105. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 8:45 am

    That’s just one of the inherent flaws with governments getting involved with things better left to the market to sort out: the management can change at the drop of a hat.

  106. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 8:52 am

    I see the grubmint is trying their hardest to get their surplus

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/this-is-incompetence-families-out-of-pocket-after-centrelink-glitch-20190806-p52eis.html

    funny reading a bout freedomtimmy complaining about the RBA not doing enough, when the RBA had specifically said the grubmint need to stimulate the economy by borrowing

    I can’t see it ending well

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/tim-wilson-accuses-rba-of-giving-up-on-stimulating-the-economy-20190807-p52esf.html

  107. Walrus permalink
    August 9, 2019 9:28 am

    The Left in their Wokeness just destroy so much. Even women’s cricket

    From the Courier Mail (behind a paywall)

    “We should call it “sisterhood Sunday” — the greatest day in Australia’s female sporting history.

    Last Sunday, Sally Fitzgibbons cruised to the world number one ranking in surfing. A few hours later, Ashleigh Barty — fresh from her French Open win — became Australia’s first tennis world number one in 16 years and the first Australian woman since 1976.

    If that wasn’t enough, golfer Hannah Green (ranked a mere 114 in the world) won the Women’s PGA Championship. And to top the day off, the Australian women’s eight won gold at the World Rowing Cup in Poland.

    It was a remarkable — and let’s face it, rare — achievement.

    And so how do we celebrate this milestone? How do we bolster the numbers of girls in sport to ensure that Australian women as world champions are not a rare occurrence but a frequent reality?

    Do we have a commitment to greater investment in women’s sport funding? Do we have a push for better pay for professional sportswomen?

    No. We have national guidelines asking all sporting clubs to allow males to compete as females.”

    When does the Left’s madness end

  108. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 9:30 am

    When does the Left’s madness end

    lol. All of those achievements can probably thank ‘teh left’

    ROFL

    Here’s a hint of where you went wrong 😉

    “From the Courier Mail (behind a paywall)” [snicker]

  109. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 9:53 am

    Mystery bags are ruining Teh Universe.

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 9, 2019 9:56 am

    Go CFMMEU!!

    Top official charged with receiving secret commissions…. but thus doesn’t reflect on the union. It’s a one off… like all those other ones

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/criminal-charges-for-senior-cfmmeu-official-over-alleged-secret-commissions-20190807-p52elr.html

  111. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 9:57 am

    Oh no, this can’t be happening!

    Global meat-eating is on the rise, bringing surprising benefits

  112. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:00 am

    lol yomm

    ‘charged’

    ‘alleged’

    We hear that so often wit the #CFMMEU

    Then, months later, it quietly goes away with no prosecutions 😉

  113. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:05 am

    Seems junk science don’t know shit about real science, hey tony 😉

  114. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:11 am

    lol tosy, a Chinese butcher is booming, so all is good.

    But I thought the Chinese were the new Nazis (or so our grubmint seem to think?)

    Anyways, here’s
    ‘s some non junk sciences

    https://skepticalscience.com/animal-agriculture-meat-global-warming.htm

  115. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:13 am

    Seems junk science don’t know shit about real science, hey tony 😉

    You’d know all about junk science. You’ve fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

  116. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:18 am

    Yeah, I heard the Alarmist Broadcasting Corporation this morning. All global warming, all the time! “The IPCC stopped short of saying people shouldn’t eat meat”.

    Stopped short of? In other words they didn’t say it. Not that the IPCC has the authority to dictate our diet.

    Yet.

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:22 am

    Kangaroo meat is the future – no methane, no land clearing, no grain…

  118. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:46 am

    You’ve fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

    I tell you what, you listen to your <1% of scientists who are financed by foossil fuel companies, and I'll listen the remaining 99%+ from a broad range of backgrounds 😉

  119. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:50 am

    First they came for my barbecue …

    KIM LANDERS: The world’s leading climate scientists have stopped short of recommending people eat less red meat in a major report released in Geneva.

    But the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) found global warming cannot be slowed without major changes to land use and food production.

    So what does that mean for Australia’s beef producers?

    Barbara Miller reports.

    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/beef-industry-responds-to-un-climate-report/11398470

  120. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 10:55 am

    I tell you what, you listen to your <1% of scientists who are financed by foossil fuel companies

    Don’t forget Big Airline!

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-boss-warns-climate-hysteria-threatens-air-travel/news-story/aadd12c423ae9296d7eed0c6e0d3b2bd

  121. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 11:01 am

    and I’ll listen the remaining 99%+ from a broad range of backgrounds

    Quoting that widely debunked statistic only goes to show how gullible you are. It doesn’t prove anything else.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/amp/

  122. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 11:52 am

    I’m sorry this is happening to you.

  123. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 11:54 am

    First link bad, maybe?

    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

  124. Walrus permalink
    August 9, 2019 11:59 am

    Now this is a very suitable trigger warning for a forum

    Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, chauvinists, and last but not least a couple of “know-it-alls” constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Admin not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

  125. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 1:15 pm

    I see we’re linking to a lot of watts stuff. Laughable

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/best-reconfirm-warming-is-happening

  126. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 1:33 pm

    The head of Australia’s central bank says raising Newstart would deliver a bigger economic boost in the short term than cutting taxes for high income earners.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/rba-boss-says-raising-newstart-more-effective-than-tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy?cid=news:socialshare:twitter

    But not for the high income earners. Dopey dipshit.

  127. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 2:02 pm

    I see we’re linking to a lot of watts stuff. Laughable

    Well The Grauniad seems to be where you find most of your rubbish, so it’s only fair.

  128. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2019 2:43 pm

    so it’s only fair.

    I’m not sure if the Grauniad has a long history of getting science wrong like watt has

  129. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 3:28 pm

    (Still nobody mentions the grammar in this thread’s heading.)

  130. Walrus permalink
    August 9, 2019 4:11 pm

    really isi ?

  131. Tony permalink
    August 9, 2019 4:36 pm

    Probably. But there seems to be “a” word missing.

  132. August 9, 2019 5:23 pm

    That`s a cracker of a site disclaimer blubbers, facebookistan could have saved itself a lot of crap from govt/s if it had thought of it.

    kangaroo meat, agree, we have it semi-regularly, great beef swap.

    Can`t say l agree with this weeks teabagPanic (due to beef fart) on eating beef tho. Some folks have died (suicide) by shutting themselves in the garage with their car running, others have accidentally died, gassed by various exhausts, gas heaters, coal flu, chimney leak or blocked. Just how many moo`ers would we need to shove into our garage to suicide. Even if govt/s outlaw`d beef coz-of fart, 8-ish billion lentil-fueled primates will still produce plenty of fart to help melt the beautiful grey ice-block of greenland.

    Amusingly foreseeable teabagPanic over plastic waste at coag meeting too.

  133. Tony permalink
    August 10, 2019 8:36 am

    Green tax on sausages a step too far for Germans

    the idea was swiftly shelved after an outcry from the opposition and an icy response from the farming minister

  134. Tony permalink
    August 10, 2019 8:55 am

    New Michael Moore-backed doc tackles alternative energy

    What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker Michael Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators … The film … is a low-budget but piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises of the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots climate change movements.

    … Moore said they were shocked to find how inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging stations are tethered to the grid … “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ‘Yeah, but where is the electricity coming from? And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about that, I’m glad we have electric cars,'” Moore said …

  135. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2019 8:37 am

    another quote from tosy’s moores fillum

    “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us … but (also) that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money … It dawned on me that these technologies were just another profit center.

    Well, DOH

    Of course an emerging technology that is proving to be cheaper than fossil fuels is going to attract ‘corporate’ shysters. But, isn’t that just the free market at work?

    Meanwhile, in answer to but where is the electricity coming from?

    Here’s a link 😉

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/opennem-widget/

  136. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2019 8:57 am

    Guess in oz we don’t have the same issue with corporates as the US, as our grubmint props up the dark money with taxpayers money

    Federal energy minister Angus Taylor will form a new taskforce to investigate the implications of the looming closure of the Liddell power station, a move that will continue pressure on owner AGL Energy to keep the ailing coal-fired generator operating for as long as possible.

    Taylor said the taskforce, to be established in partnership with the NSW Government, will consider “all options”, and did not rule out using taxpayer money to extend the life of the plant. AGL responded by saying doing so would cost “a lot of money” and any such move “does not stack up.”

    The announcement of the taskforce – whose members have not yet been named – has already been slammed by environmental groups as a delay tactic and is a pretext to the government to pour money into ageing coal infrastructure.

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/angus-taylors-liddell-taskforce-slammed-as-guise-for-propping-up-coal-69572/

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