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Half of us are financially rooted, new report

August 12, 2019

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From the files of “news that surprises no one,” a new report has found that almost half of all Australian households spend their entire monthly income, while one in five don’t feel confident they could raise $3000 in an emergency.

The ME Bank ‘six monthly survey of financial comfort’ report found that stagnant wages were leaving many Australians struggling to cover day-to-day bills.

The euphemistically titled ‘financial comfort’ indicator of full and part-time workers has seen a steep decline since February, with just a third of households reporting an increase in annual income over the past 12 months.

One in every two Australians also felt it would be difficult to find a new job, which is the highest number recorded since late 2016.

“It’s clear from the latest report that there are increased concerns around job availability and underemployment,” ME consulting economist Jeff Oughton said.

The report also revealed a decline in comfort levels from homeowners with a mortgage and renters.

“It’s evident that despite the latest monetary policy changes, there remains high levels of housing debt worry and actual payment stress among Australians,” he said.

“The number of households contributing more than 30 per cent of their disposable income towards paying off a mortgage has remained steady at about 43 per cent, while the corresponding figure for renters has risen to 62 per cent – partly reversing the improvement reported in the previous two surveys.”

Financial comfort only increased in high-income households with more than $200,000 in income a year and for those with more than $1 million in their superannuation.

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe has called for state and federal governments to lift wages for public servants, which accounts for a third of the nation’s workforce, arguing it would stimulate growth across the broader economy.

The government has since shutdown the proposal such a move would have negative repercussions on keeping the budget in surplus.

Nine finance editor Ross Greenwood said the RBA is also calling for more jobs to be created as a possible solution to ease concerns.

“They believe if more people are in work, there is more competition, so wages will rise,” he said.

The “rest of Australia” responded with a hearty chuckle.

 

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  1. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2019 2:46 pm

    And poor ‘financial comfort’ is a feature, not a bug 😉

    https://theconversation.com/ultra-low-wage-growth-isnt-accidental-it-is-the-intended-outcome-of-government-policies-113357

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2019 2:52 pm

    AS you say, From the files of “news that surprises no one,”

    It also includes this group of bludgers too … *

    The 2014­–15 Budget proposes to change indexation arrangements for the Age Pension, veterans’ pensions, Carer Payment, Disability Support Pension and Parenting Payment (Single) so that payment rates are only adjusted by movements in the Consumer Price Index (CPI). The measure will save $449.0 million over five years.

    And 3000 ADF vets on the street … welcome to Uber Kapitalism and the Corporatocracy …

    Is it true that a gasworks is being considered for the Outback?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Meanwhile in other newsworthy “chuckles” … that may (or not) surprise quite a few naysayers …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/11/sydneys-desalination-plant-set-to-expand-as-drought-continues

    Wonder if Sydneyside commenters here, think about where the water is coming from when they make a cuppa? oh, the irony …

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2019 2:55 pm

    Ultra low wage growth isn’t accidental. It is the intended outcome of government policies

    Yep … keep ’em hungry, keep ’em cold, keep ’em frightened to keep ’em controlled!

  4. August 12, 2019 3:01 pm

    The standard of governence in this country is appalling from all sides of politics and the whole lot of em should be sacked!

  5. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2019 3:02 pm

    In more laughable statements

    Hank Jongen, a spokesman for the Department of Human Services, said the department was reviewing the case. “We take the wellbeing of our customers very seriously,” he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/12/homeless-woman-says-centrelink-took-her-entire-3500-tax-return?CMP=share_btn_tw

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2019 3:49 pm

    Yeah, read that tale of woe, TR, sad, very sad … ’cause she is not the only one … suspect her story made the news because of the amount … $100 can be a fortune to many Australians … and Robodebt must make people more fearful for their future … it would me …

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2019 6:16 pm

    Half of us are financially rooted, new report

    I’ve been financially rooted all my life … so what’s fkn new?

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2019 6:18 pm

    I’ve been financially rooted all my life … so what’s fkn new?

    Usually by the Federal Government …

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2019 6:24 pm

    If its true that women are from Venus and men are from Mars … it’s time we declared Venal Martian Law … and turf all politicians back to where they came from!*

    The Politikans fucked up their own planets now they’re fucking up ours …

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2019 6:47 pm

    Unemployment is at 5.2% which is lower than anytime under Hawke/Keating. We are doing OK. It was at 11% when keating became PM. Fact is times have always been tough.

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 12, 2019 9:50 pm

    Yes, a higher rate of wage growth would be good, but annual wage growth is still higher than the rate of inflation.

  12. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2019 5:37 am

    but annual wage growth is still higher than the rate of inflation.

    yaays

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/feb/21/wages-are-growing-faster-than-inflation-but-thats-not-saying-much

    I note nil no longer likes to compare us with the rest of the world, but with other times, times when underemployment wasn’t the issue it is now.

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2019 1:32 pm

    I think the real problem is the massive debt levels around the world. Here in Australia we were debt free in 2007. Then Swan/ALP trashed the budget and we have not run a surplus budget since 2007. Swan was able to spend spend spend because he was handed an economy with zero debt. That no longer applies. If another GFC hits we would have no solution. We are already running deficit budgets and that does not seem to be doing much. Unemployment at 5.2% is better than anytime under Hawke/keating. It was at 11% when keating became PM

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2019 1:51 pm

    Perhaps the current mob shouldn’t have doubled the debt, hey

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2019 2:14 pm

    Net govt debt was minus 3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero, 13% in 2013 and 19% now. Debt has increased under the Coalition but it has not doubled. May 2014 was the time to hit Labor debt and deficit disaster but Australia did not want to do that. Without surplus budgets debt will increase forever and that could not be a good thing

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2019 3:09 pm

    What is your point? Coalition tried to do something about Labors runaway debt truck but were blocked by the Senate. Looks like they then gave up. Govt spending cuts will get the budget back into surplus but Australia does not want to do that.

    Table 4 says net debt was minus $3.4% of GDP in 2007 ($40B) ie less than zero, 13.1% ($209B) in 2013 and $373B (19%) now.

    You should be apologising not giving your stupid opinion

    https://www.budget.gov.au/2019-20/content/bp1/download/bp1_bs10.pdf

  17. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2019 3:12 pm

    What is your point?

    that you’re full of shit

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2019 3:25 pm

    I posted a comment. You did not have to reply. You commented to my post on debt that the Coalition should not have doubled the debt. They have not.

    It was minus 3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero, 13% in 2013 and 19% now. But they tried to do something in their first May 2014 budget but were blocked by the Senate.

    But you should be ashamed what Swan/ALP did to the budget. Have you ever tried to fix up a ALP mess?

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2019 7:06 pm

    You did not have to reply.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/13/christopher-pyne-had-discussions-with-ey-while-still-a-minister

    So comment on this shyte! (You might have to communicate with your Liberal Partisan members first)

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2019 7:11 pm

    I think the real problem is the massive debt levels around the world. Here in Australia we were debt free in 2007.

    Chuckle … and the calendar went from 2007 to 2009 … oops!

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2019 7:13 pm

    Without surplus budgets debt will increase forever and that could not be a good thing

    Do you have any debt?

    The fucking capitalist world RUNS on debt!

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2019 7:34 pm

    Govt spending cuts will get the budget back into surplus but Australia does not want to do that.

    AND the poor, aged, disabled, unemployed and veterans (who fought for your bullshit) SUFFER and pay the price … not the rich, privileged, corporate and politicians who pay less and retire on more …

    As usual they will eventually “reap what they sow” … as THEIR Good Book tells ’em … I refer to Hong Kong …

    I do wish I had been on the streets during the American War! (Ooops! We still call it the Vietnam War!)

    GO AND SEE – “DANGER CLOSE – The Battle of Long Tan” and remember ordinary 20+yo men conscripted from a life just like yours, killed in a fucking civil war about religion/capitalism/democracy or communism/capitalism …

    Of the 18 Diggers who died 11 of them were National Servicemen … no choice … no vote (21 not 18) … couldn’t legally have a drink (21 not 18) … less income (Army pay was shit!) … and careers fucked up by … the infamous Pig Iron Bob Menzies … and the Liberal Party!~

  23. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 13, 2019 7:43 pm

    that ” surprises no one ” @-lt certainly doesn`t. This is what you get when you have a Govstapo destroying important things the nation needs at the behest of adolfCorp and its goose stepping white-shirts. As l`ve been saying for quite a while now, our problems are rapidly converging, and the type of fcukwits we have running the show, and the joint into the ground, have no hope in hell turning the ship around. But hey, if the dumbfcuks in charge had bothered to work out the `gdp` of everybody(99%) outside the all-mining sector, it was obvious the wheels were going to fall-off sooner or nearer.

    FMD, silly old tunc has tumbled into the echo chamber trying to claim as much victimhood as he can, even tho he has managed to have enough job stability to pay-off `two` houses. Yeah, you`re a `real` economic refugee. )-:

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2019 8:00 pm

    How did we get onto the Vietnam war? Fact is without budget surpluses govt debt will increase forever and that is not a good thing. Only someone that does not care about people would vote for something like that

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 13, 2019 8:16 pm

    Is there a single success story that involves high and increasing government debt?

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2019 9:05 pm

    Lefties do not care about people. They think they are doing good if they run deficit budgets and give free stuff to people. It is that attitude why debt always increases under Labor and has continued to increase under the current govt. But that is not caring about people.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2019 1:43 pm

    “The fucking capitalist world RUNS on debt!”

    That isn’t even Eco 101.

  28. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2019 2:45 pm

    Nil just can’t accept the Fact that the libs jave doubled the debt lol

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2019 3:18 pm

    Whatever. Fact is govt debt was minus 3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero, 13% in 2013 and 19% now.

    Do you know anything about maths and the difference between small and big numbers? It is much easier to double a small number than a big number. So taking debt from 4% to 8% is much easier than taking debt from 50% to 100%.

    But you cannot put an increase in debt under Rudd/Gillard because it went from negative to positive. It went from minus 3% to plus 13%.

  30. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2019 8:59 am

    It’s all going so well

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2019/08/14/wages-growth-june-quarter-2019/

    I also note that a certain bishop is “playing the gender card”

    Hypocritical fuckwit!

  31. August 15, 2019 9:56 am

    koj bhd ngu

    The commies at my abc are chortling pretty loud over their recent victory. ” NSW Minister for Better Regulation Kevin Anderson ” l wonder if this will spread to boltsvillage. Can you imagine. Who would of ever thought there would be a Minister for Better Red-Tape anywhere in this country. LimitedNews must be having kittens.

  32. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2019 10:01 am

    Cutting red tape will be one of the government’s top priorities in this term of parliament, with the Prime Minister vowing to remove regulatory blockages to economic growth.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6051435729001

    blundering on towards Oblivion

  33. August 15, 2019 11:10 am

    Hee Haw .. Hee Haw .. As herds of imbecile bray their mythical `surplus` econoBabble .. which will never arrive, as state/s treasury/s are already pre-loaded with (not)insured constructionCorp negligence cladding crumbling liability/s .. the only `surplus` that WILL be delivered to their veryOwn baby brayers is plenty of micro plastic in the food chain.

    ~

    sbs ” Ice samples collected from a remote section of the Arctic has researchers stressing the threat of pollution to marine life, after the scientists discovered the global scourge of pollution extends to some of the most pristine and remote areas of the world. Micro-plastic pieces were uncovered by teams during an 18-day ice breaking expedition through the Northwest Passage linking the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.”

  34. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2019 12:18 pm

    It’s not the droughts killing our river system, it’s vested interests.

    And the documents prove it

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/15/documents-reveal-500m-broken-hill-pipeline-built-for-benefit-of-irrigators

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2019 2:17 pm

    My comment about a really important issue… reclining a seat on an aircraft.

    *Only recline the seat if the flight is over 3 hours, and
    *It is during a time that when sleep may be expected

    I think regular flyers would see the sense in this.

  36. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2019 3:36 pm

    OR

    i”f there’s an aging surfer behind you you want to piss off”

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2019 7:34 pm

    *Only recline the seat if the flight is over 3 hours, and

    LOL! MOst companies and especially government fly employees and consultants Business Class over 3 hours … where/who did you work for? LOL!

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2019 7:39 pm

    Fact is govt debt was minus 3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero, 13% in 2013 and 19% now.

    er … the remainder of the comment is childish gibberish!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “The fucking capitalist world RUNS on debt!”

    That isn’t even Eco 101.

    Please explain?

    Bet ya can’t …

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2019 9:47 pm

    I think I may have done a little more flying than you TB and –
    1. I fly first class overseas (for leisure) using my vast accumulation of points, and
    2. Anyone would be foolish paying for real business or first class for leisure on domestic flights, and
    3, How long is it since you’ve worked? I think you were retired when you started on blogocracy about 12 years ago. Standards have changed and these days the differentiation is domestic vs international.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2019 10:23 pm

    Please explain?
    Bet ya can’t …

    It means that the comment is trite, sub Eco 101.

    Do you think public debt is the same as private debt?

  41. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2019 8:27 am

    yomms done more flying than anyones ……………..

  42. Walrus permalink
    August 16, 2019 10:15 am

    But why didn’t all the water flow out of the bath tubs as the plane banked to Tahiti ?

    #truthinadvertising

  43. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2019 10:25 am

    But why didn’t all the water flow out of the bath tubs as the plane banked to Tahiti ?

    Dude, this advert was made years after the first series of Star Trek

    wow 😉

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2019 6:12 pm

    WE ARE ALL SAVED!

    news.com.au has proved, The Bible, is TRUTH!

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/new-evidence-proves-bible-story-of-babylonian-siege-really-happened/news-story/17fbf97b8705a34ad5273006fbbb9f48

    Oddly enough the story is about Jews – see – the Torah … and also oddly enough the Quran quotes the same history

    As a declared agnostic I feel so ashamed … ***********************************

    Jesus fucking wept ….

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2019 6:22 pm

    I think I may have done a little more flying than you TB and –

    You wouldn’t have a clue … you live in your own dreamland …

    1. I fly first class overseas (for leisure) using my vast accumulation of points,

    And you assume I didn’t?

    2. Anyone would be foolish paying for real business or first class for leisure on domestic flights,

    WTF is “real” BC/FC?

    3, How long is it since you’ve worked? I think you were retired when you started on blogocracy about 12 years ago. Standards have changed and these days the differentiation is domestic vs international.

    Get your own fucking life you arrogant prick and stop “re-creating” (guessing) mine … life doesn’t end when you retire … and your numbers are (like most of your comments) – once again, BS!

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2019 8:22 pm

    Boy TV, you’re very easily offended! But the odds are with me, I fly more than 99% of frequent flyers.

    So maybe get over it.

  47. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2019 8:37 am

    So, the Jews were right were they TB 😉

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2019 2:42 pm

    Now Trump wants to buy Greenland. Abigail real estate deal… What a complete f***wit.

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2019 2:43 pm

    “A big real estate deal”… new phone…

  50. August 19, 2019 5:15 pm

    It will make a nice golf course once the rest of the ice and micro plastics wash off it.

  51. August 19, 2019 5:34 pm

    Quarter to tank o`clock .. @HongKongTime

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2019 6:26 pm

    Boy TV, you’re very easily offended!

    GUFFAW! If only you knew … LOL!

    So maybe get over it.

    Get over what? You’re not “projecting” again? Are you? … I don’t give a fuck if you fly around the world every month … planes and arsehole passengers (no names no pack drill) are on every flight … I think you may have been on a couple of mine?

    “A big real estate deal”… new phone… You have Donny Dickhead on your phone?!!!

    So, the Jews were right were they TB 😉

    Trick question, TR … unless ToM is a Jew?

    And Mr Bean cannot foot a put wrong (* – fer ToM)

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2019 6:41 pm

    TR, Re: Thanks for the clip … watched all of it again!

    You have checked out Monty Python I hope? They’re 50th Anniversary!

    Look for the Fish Dance!

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2019 6:43 pm

    Quarter to tank o`clock .. @HongKongTime

    Brilliant comment, tebagz, … let’s hope not …

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2019 1:31 pm

    For some reason teaching has become an unattractive career option.

    The pay isn’t too bad, the hours are pretty good, I suspect it is unattractive because of the classroom pressure. Who would want to spend their days with kids that often have little structure or discipline at home?

    But teachers rather than parents are usually blamed for adolescent behaviour.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/are-marks-to-get-into-teaching-getting-lower-and-lower/11387970

  56. August 20, 2019 8:12 pm

    This monument is to acknowledge that we know what is happening and what needs to be done. Only you know if we did it.

    ~

    @-Hint. We didn`t do it. We chose the soylent-era instead.

  57. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:09 am

    For some reason teaching has become an unattractive career option.

    Couldn’t have anything to do with murdochs decades long war against teachers, and multiple streams of bullshit about ‘they don’t work much, so lets hate on them”?

  58. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 8:26 am

    Big day for pell today

    Let’s hope Justice gets a run.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2019 9:22 am

    Teaching seems to only appeal to a particular demographic these days.

    I don’t see how Murdoch has caused that.

  60. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 9:29 am

    I don’t see how Murdoch has caused that.

    says the guy who obviously reads a lot of it

    Example A

    “Teaching seems to only appeal to a particular demographic these days.”

    :facepalm:

  61. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 9:50 am

    So, wonder what the defenders will say about this?

    two ex prime ministers publicly defended a convicted child molester.

    And then still want to lecture people on morals!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/george-pell/2019/08/21/george-pell-appeal-verdict/

  62. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 9:54 am

    From the link

    Justice Ferguson made her introductory remarks at 9.30am before handing down the decision to uphold the convictions with her two fellow judges – Justice Chris Maxwell and Justice Mark Weinberg – at the Supreme Court of Victoria in Melbourne.

    She told the court that the judges decided the surviving choirboy was “not a liar, was not a fantasist and was a witness of the truth.”

    Which means that, in addition to being a pedophile, pell was also a liar and fantasist, among many other things

    What does that make of those who publicly supported him, after the evidence had been established?

  63. ivi permalink
    August 21, 2019 10:18 am

    (For some reason teaching has become an unattractive career option.

    Maybe it’s the deprofessionalisation; consistent with a reduction of ‘education’ to ‘teaching’, and a concommitent loss of a notion of the ‘teachable moment‘; which is a consequence of a persistent rehearsal of a Big-Daddy-always-knows-best heuristic?)

  64. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 10:30 am

    That “persistent rehearsal ” is laughable when you consider that this mob is responsible for #robodebt etal

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 11:10 am

    Will George Pell, go to Hell? I do hope so …

  66. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 11:18 am

    It’s times like these I wish there really was a hell TB 😦

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2019 11:33 am

    What does that make of those who publicly supported him, after the evidence had been established?

    Apparently there was NO evidence. Just the testimony of one man. I first thought Pell innocent but it is hard to believe that someone would testify against Pell for so long if the crime did not occur.

    But we are all in trouble if you can be condemned on the testimony of one person with no other evidence

  68. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 11:48 am

    nil and bolt, lawyers of the highest distinction

  69. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2019 11:57 am

    I obviously do not know the full facts and am not a lawyer. But from what I have read there was NO evidence. Just the testimony of one person. The fact that one person still keeps saying the crime occurred does indicate the crime did occur.

    But surely you cannot convict anybody on the testimony of one person with no evidence even if the crime did occur. If so we are all in trouble

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2019 2:07 pm

    That’s part of the difficulty of sexual assault cases, generally there aren’t witnesses. I have more confidence in the decision of the appeal judges than the jury.

    The jury is more likely to have a few people with the prejudices of anti catlicks

  71. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 2:13 pm

    The jury is more likely to have a few people with the prejudices of anti catlicks

    With fucking good reason, the court does find!

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:07 pm

    The jury is more likely to have a few people with the prejudices of anti catlicks

    And you’ve served on how many juries … ToM?

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:10 pm

    In a brief statement issued after the decision the Vatican reiterated that Pell maintained his innocence, and that it was now “Pell’s right to appeal to the high court”.

    “At this time, together with the church in Australia, the Holy See confirms its closeness to the victims of sexual abuse and its commitment to pursue, through the competent ecclesiastical authorities, those members who commit such abuse,” the statement also said. No mention was made of stripping Pell of his cardinal title.

    Anyone else see the hypocrisy and arrogance here … ?

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:27 pm

    I see Happy Clappy wants to go to war on two fronts …

    His daughters attend an independent Baptist school. Morrison has stated that one of the reasons for this choice was so that he could avoid “the values of others being imposed on my children”.

    What a fucking hypocrite …

    That’s why we preferred our children and grandchildren to attend a state school … then they installed Christian Chaplains … where to turn …

    And next will be my grandchildren being conscripted to fight for his children … as our guide in Egypt (’97) said … nothing changes – nothing is new …

    Why do people continue to elect this rabble of incompetent, religious, liars, thieves, cheats and warmongers?

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:45 pm

    “Anyone else see the hypocrisy and arrogance here …?”

    It’s always on show…

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 7:04 pm

    It’s always on show…

    So … you’ve finally seen the light to all your shyte defending the ryght?

    Hallelujah!

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2019 7:09 pm

    TB… Who do you think I was referring to?

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 10:06 pm

    Yourself of course … ToM 😉

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 10:07 pm

    And you’ve served on how many juries … ToM?

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2019 10:51 am

    HELLO? And you’ve served on how many juries … ToM?

  81. Tony permalink
    August 23, 2019 9:25 am

    And you’ve served on how many juries

    There seems to be an awful echo in this chamber.

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:06 am

    No doubt TB would use the same rigorous standards on a jury as he does when interviewing for a position- his 20 second rule (or was it a more generous 30 seconds?)

  83. Tony permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:20 am

    This standard that ‘you can’t express an opinion on juries unless you’ve served on one’ (or more than one – we are yet to be told the required number) makes articulating most opinions very problematic.

    Unless of course the standard is applied only when it suits your argument. Then it works just fine in shutting up the other person.

  84. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    August 23, 2019 2:50 pm

    continue to “ elect this rabble

    Simple. The dishwaters can`t do basic maths. And don`t understand the factors that drive the maths. So we keep getting stuck with zombie/s.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:26 pm

    There seems to be an awful echo in this chamber.

    You are referring to ToM … I take it?

    No doubt TB would use the same rigorous standards on a jury as he does when interviewing for a position- his 20 second rule (or was it a more generous 30 seconds?)

    Comprehension was never your strong suite … ToM … twisting the truth is a skill you must have learned in private school … it could be an inherent genetic fault – I’ve seen it before …

    Unless of course the standard is applied only when it suits your argument. Then it works just fine in shutting up the other person.

    How many juries have you served on … ToSY?

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:29 pm

    Unless of course the standard is applied only when it suits your argument.

    And how many years have you been reading my comments? ToSY ToM intimates a “collection” … but his “recollections” aren’t a “collection” …

    I’ve got archives back to Tim Dunlop days …

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:35 pm

    To put you out of your misery I served on two juries (back to back) after I retired … both rape cases … and commented here on my conviction that the system works and the interaction within in both juries … and a firm belief that the system works …

    I had previously been recused five times do to work and self employment status … ToM/ToSY can explain that …

  88. August 23, 2019 8:22 pm

    (Nah, theory/s x,y,z are obsolete, if ever useful. lt always comes down to the JUF.

    JUF=((RF/DF)/TF)/HF

    The minimum value for rf, df, tf, or hf is 1.

    The job usefulness factor can also be applied by the worker to determine if specific training is is worth doing.)

  89. Tony permalink
    August 23, 2019 9:27 pm

    “To put you out of your misery I served on two juries (back to back) after I retired”

    Haw haw. To put you out of your misery you mean. No one else could GAF! Your leading question was so obvious. You couldn’t wait to boast about your jury ‘service’.

  90. Tony permalink
    August 23, 2019 9:31 pm

    “How many juries have you served on … ToSY?”

    What the fuck has that got to do with you or anyone else?

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2019 11:10 pm

    Did you use your 20 second rule to decide guilt TB?

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2019 4:28 pm

    ALP unity at its best!

    WA Labor’s state conference has been engulfed by chaotic scenes, with a large number of delegates walking out, and the party’s president left on the verge of tears.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-24/chaos-breaks-out-at-wa-labor-conference/11445260

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2019 4:46 pm

    ALP unity at its best! (2)

    John Setka’s war on perceived enemies in his own union has intensified after he hired a former homicide squad detective to conduct an investigation into who leaked information against him.
    The move prompted one CFMMEU official to say Mr Setka had “lost the plot” as divisions within the union deepen over Mr Setka’s determination to hang on to power.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/john-setka-declares-war-on-his-own-union-by-hiring-a-private-investigator-20190823-p52k57.html

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2019 4:49 pm

    ALP unity at its best!! (3)

    Former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd has bluntly rebuked his own party’s strategy at the election, saying it was particularly unwise for Bill Shorten to campaign on changes to negative gearing and franking credits.
    Speaking at a Canberra Writers Festival event this afternoon, Mr Rudd nominated three key reasons for Labor’s defeat in May.
    First, he said, the Australian people never warmed to Mr Shorten personally.
    “They didn’t like him or trust him,” he said.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/absolutely-nuts-kevin-rudd-rebukes-bill-shorten-over-election-strategy/news-story/c6123bc1c50e637f5d508ae9dd967e9e

  95. Tony permalink
    August 24, 2019 6:06 pm

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2019 6:27 pm

    To make steel you need iron ore + heat + carbon. The carbon becomes imbedded in the iron ore to form steel. U need carbon to make steel. U can get carbon from wood, natural gas and anything that contains carbon. But u cannot make steel without carbon.

    Coal is the best carbon source because you get heat + carbon from coal. Coal is going nowhere

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2019 7:26 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/pauline-hanson-gets-stuck-climbing-uluru/news-story/c9271a87ec171239c3b08451b88ab89b

    I think Uluru got stuck up Hanson!

    How much do we pay these fucking turkeys to make twits of themselves?

    Disclaimer: For ToM and ToSY … I have visited Uluru … AND firmly believe it is a sacred site … NOT to be climbed by tourists …

    I can only imagine the outcry if freestyle climbers started climbing cathedrals around the world … or the wailing war … or statues of buddha …

    Ignorance abounds in this country (and the world) when it comes to our First People …

  98. Tony permalink
    August 24, 2019 7:47 pm

    I’ve climbed Ayers Rock and firmly believe it is a very large rock formation of some kind.

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2019 8:14 pm

    You couldn’t wait to boast about your jury ‘service’.

    1. I don’t “boast” * about decisions concerning two grieving families … decisions made by 12 ordinary people including me … you actually highlight the point I make …

    … unless you’ve served on a jury, you have no idea of the massive responsibility, and realisation, that your decision impacts on families and individuals for the rest of their lives! And every jury member feels the same over a two or three day trial …

    … the presentation, body language and NVC of accuser(s), defendants and “witnesses” cannot be described … all jury members become ultra conscious of it …

    * I have no reason to boast to people like you, ToSY …

    What the fuck has that got to do with you or anyone else?

    2. It has nothing to do with me … but my comments fall under your own claim … what the fuck has it to do with you? You constantly play back-up to ToM attacking my comments – wear the shit that you get! Or STFU!

    Did you use your 20 second rule to decide guilt TB?

    3. A touch more nastiness. Read my comment above and understand how insulting your comment is! 24 jurors, complete strangers, not me, made the decision … quickly … unanimously ** … logically … and with intelligent discussion … twice … that impressed me …

    And for the record … I used to employ people within “10 seconds” (an arbitrary figure) – 10 seconds is longer than most people think – stop watch it …

    I then studied Counseling and Interview Techniques as part of my degree (boasting ToSY – no apology) … and struggled a bit applying the new techniques … The Minister, wisely suggested that I continue using my “10 second arbitrary” decision and then confirm it applying my new knowledge … worked a treat …

    * I understand that Pell’s jury decision was by majority …

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2019 8:18 pm

    I’ve climbed Ayers Rock and firmly believe it is a very large rock formation of some kind.

    More fool you … its actually the remains of an interstellar starship …

    You’re beliefs are irrelevant compared to 60,000 years of First Peoples’

    Go and climb this instead …

    https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwju_oDro5vkAhWDXSsKHXkrCoYQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tripadvisor.com.au%2FAttraction_Review-g255060-d256719-Reviews-St_Mary_s_Cathedral-Sydney_New_South_Wales.html&psig=AOvVaw10VjFIjTWmD2LE5gCRtMLD&ust=1566728285284240

  101. Tony permalink
    August 24, 2019 8:24 pm

    … unless you’ve served on a jury

    You have no idea. Literally.

  102. Tony permalink
    August 24, 2019 8:38 pm

    You constantly play back-up to ToM attacking my comments – wear the shit that you get! Or STFU!

    ToM does not need my back-up, Nor do I give it. I criticise (“attack”!) your comments when they are ridiculous. Which is more often than not.

  103. Tony permalink
    August 24, 2019 8:44 pm

    Or rather, I criticise your comments because they are ridiculous.

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2019 9:36 pm

    I find it disgraceful that any “professional” would consider it appropriate to come to an employment decision before the even the basics of an interview were complete.

    Regardless of using the balance of an interview to “confirm” a 10 second decision, it is simply disrespectful to people that have spent plenty emotional energy, and anxiety, in preparation.

    I’m amazed that any decent company allowed you to apply such a shoddy and third rate practice

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2019 4:43 pm

    Vic police call for fairer conditions…

    When I was a youth every dealing I had with the police was unsatisfactory.

    They recruited lazy, dumb bullies. I’d had little to do with them for a couple of decades. But my recent experience suggests that they haven’t changed their recruitment practices.

    They don’t deserve anything beyond the CPI

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/vic-police-call-for-fairer-work-conditions/news-story/5982b21f60cae378c3e709631d0fa821

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2019 7:18 pm

    You have no idea. Literally.

    Actually I have more than you suspect ….

    Or rather, I criticise your comments because they are ridiculous.

    Only to you ToSY … but ignorance is bliss … enjoy!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I find it disgraceful that any “professional” would consider it appropriate to come to an employment decision before the even the basics of an interview were complete.

    I’m amazed that any decent company allowed you to apply such a shoddy and third rate practice

    “Amazed” … you’ve never employed anyone in your life! Long live the HR Dept. , hey?

    Shows your ignorance … in two ways … but ignorance is bliss … you think I’ve never applied for jobs …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    When I was a youth every dealing I had with the police was unsatisfactory … But my recent experience suggests that they haven’t changed their recruitment practices.

    And there is another “hint” at your life experiences … I’ve never had a problem with police (all my life) … whenever I’ve interacted with them (I’ve lived in three countries BTW – and visited 40) its always been amiable and to my advantage …

    Just to highlight … back in my “band” days, my car broke down just over a railway crossing at around 2AM … the two cops that “checked us out” ended up helping to push start the old FX … great guys …

    Active listening, transactional analysis, NVC, body language … they are not just words … they actually work! (If you know how to apply them) … especially if combined with Interaction Management.

    Maybe that’s your problem, ToM! Communication … experience and skill …

    I know why yer mates and you keep trying … its interesting …

  107. ivi permalink
    August 28, 2019 1:18 pm

    (… its interesting

    indeed*)

  108. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 1:44 pm

    lol ivi

    (I don’t get the reference, but Mr Bean is just funny 🙂 )

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2019 2:01 pm

    Maybe that’s your problem, ToM! Communication … experience and skill …

    Hilarious TB. That’s probably why various companies were willing to allow me to change premium rates and even kick in shares.

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