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Australia’s highest-ranking Catholic condemned to prison as a sex offender

August 21, 2019

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George Pell will remain behind bars after his appeal against a conviction for sexually abusing two choirboys was dismissed by the Victorian Court of Appeal.

  • Pell slumped in his chair and blankly looked into space on hearing the ruling
  • Pell’s haters could be heard cheering outside the court house amid celebrations
  • The disgraced Cardinal had previously compared himself to Jesus suffering persecution through the trial
  • Pell’s actions in the prison dock showed a defeated man contemplating his fate behind bars

The court in a two-to-one decision on Wednesday upheld the original conviction, meaning Australia’s most senior Catholic official must serve out his six-year sentence with a non-parole period of three years and eight months.

On hearing the decision after the 15 second delay, a loud cheer could be heard from outside the Supreme Court where Pell’s detractors had congregated.

After the judgement was read out, Pell – wearing his priestly robes for likely the last ever time – was escorted to a prisoner transport van and taken back to jail.

He had waited for this moment for nine long weeks.

In legal circles, such a wait usually indicates the kiss of death.

Innocent men are not made to wait in jail for such lengthy periods while judges make their decisions on their fate.

And at the end of the day, the cunt lost.

 

 

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  1. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 2:11 pm

    He’s innocent!

    And so the High Court will hold!

    :groan: 😦

  2. August 21, 2019 2:22 pm

    So can we expect that John Howard will be in high demand for his “character reference” services?

    (I suspect not).

  3. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 2:29 pm

    howard should be in demand for jack shit after this

    In fact, there is a range of conservative figures who SHOULD be run out of public life for their stance here.

    They won’t.

  4. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2019 2:44 pm

    Interesting Graphic

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:29 pm

    I seem to be locked into the last fred ,,, ToM’s stalking me!

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:30 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tony-abbotts-awkward-interview-about-australias-greatest-churchmen-george-pell/news-story/b6f46a7f2f5e47b959555795d302da27

    So can we expect that John Howard will be in high demand for his “character reference” services?

    They’ll just go to The Mad Abbott?

    FORMER prime minister Tony Abbott’s seriously awkward interview surrounding his meeting with “mentor” Cardinal George Pell has resurfaced today.

    In 2004, a young Mr Abbott, then health minister, denied he had met with Cardinal Pell in the interview with ABC Lateline host, Tony Jones. But seconds later was backtracking.

    He was asked by Jones if he had met with Cardinal Pell recently and denied he had.

    Mr Abbott’s denial was short lived, because in just a few seconds, Mr Abbott would say: “Actually now that you mention it, I did meet with Cardinal Pell. So what? Why shouldn’t I meet with Cardinal Pell?”

    And they still keep voting for these dodgy, religious, incompetent, thieves and liars to run their lives!

    I see Happy Clappy is eager to go to war on TWO fronts … WTF is it with these LOVING religious folk?

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:30 pm

    WTF … Firefox?

  8. August 21, 2019 6:32 pm

    Dont forget that one of the judges was going to let the dirty filthy child rapist walk free, so when it goes to the high court if 4 of the judges are like him then it wont be Pell iIn A Cell it will be Pell With The Gel.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2019 7:03 pm

    Oh, jOC … I haven’t had dinner yet!

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2019 7:06 pm

    Yes one of the judges was not convinced

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/victoria/why-justice-mark-weinberg-believed-george-pell-should-go-free-20190821-p52jaj.html

    Justice Weinberg, a former Federal Court judge who presided over the trial of Melbourne’s Bourke Street killer James Gargasoulas last year, said there was a body of evidence that made it “impossible to accept” the victim’s account.
    “From … the complainant’s evidence, it can be seen that there was ample material upon which his account could be legitimately subject to criticism. There were inconsistencies, and discrepancies, and a number of his answers simply made no sense,” Justice Weinberg wrote in his judgment released on Wednesday.
    “An unusual feature of this case was that it depended entirely upon the complainant being accepted, beyond reasonable doubt, as a credible and reliable witness. Yet the jury were invited to accept his evidence without there being any independent support for it.”

    After assessing the evidence presented at Pell’s County Court trial last year, Justice Weinberg said he would have quashed the cardinal’s five convictions for child sex offences.

  11. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 8:38 am

    Yes, two of the judges were completely convinced, one, not 100%

    That’s why we have three, so there is no ‘split’ decision.

    2 out of three IS a decision

    The kiddy fiddler got caught

    What is it with the right wings support of not only Nazis, but also pedophiles?

  12. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 9:11 am

    So, we can’t believe the ABS press releases. How soon before the data itself is compromised (or is it already?)

    https://theconversation.com/what-the-bureau-of-statistics-didnt-highlight-our-continuing-upward-redistribution-of-wealth-121731

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2019 10:20 am

    I m not supporting Pell. Based on my limited amount of legal knowledge it is amazing that it even made it to trial.

    Bill Shorten was accused of something in the 1980’s but the allegation never made it to trial because there was no other evidence. Just one persons testimony. The person is still around making the same allegation but police will not do anything because there is no other evidence. The Pell case seems very similar.

    You should not be able to make a case on the testimony of one person Read what Justice Weinberg about Pell said in the link

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 10:28 am

    Hi nil

    You’re a piece of shit 🙂

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2019 10:45 am

    I am not saying Pell is not guilty but based on my very limited knowledge the case should never have made it to court. There is more evidence that Bill Shorten should be taken to court than Pell

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2019 10:49 am

    “I am the Chosen One”

    Who woulda thunk … time to go Donny!

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2019 10:50 am

    … based on my very limited knowledge … of just about anything …

    And you’ve served on how many juries?

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2019 11:09 am

    I have not served on any juries. I am saying based on my limited knowledge of legal stuff which is close to zero, the case should never have made it to court even if the crime did happen.

  19. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 11:24 am

    What is it with catliks and their abhorrent defense of pedophiles?

    I WISH there was a hell for you pigs

  20. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 11:39 am

    This is what pedophile defenders are doing to our kids

  21. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2019 11:40 am

    I am not Catholic. Based on what I have read which is limited, Pell was convicted on the testimony of one person. There was NO evidence. No DNA, no eyewitness, no fingerprint, nothing. Based on what I know a case like that normally would not make it to court even if the crime did occur.

    There is more evidence for Bill Shortens crime I think. But it never made it to court because there was no other evidence

    What is it with you lefties and your inability to tell truth from falsehood?

  22. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 11:45 am

    nil wants to defend a convicted pedophile, while slurring an innocent person.

    You’re a piece of shit nil!

  23. August 22, 2019 12:22 pm

    Based on what I know a case like that normally would not make it to court even if the crime did occur.”

    That sentence says all you really need to know about Neil.

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2019 12:42 pm

    OK I know nothing about legal stuff. Who does? But based on what I have read is that we are all in serious trouble if you can be convicted based on the testimony of one person with NO other evidence.

    The Victorian police threw out a case against Bill Shorten on that basis

  25. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 1:05 pm

    holy shit, the police threw out a case, based on ………… what they knew (laymans terms for ‘evidence’!)

    Hey nil

    You’re still a piece of shit!

  26. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 1:06 pm

    “conflicted”?

    “I believe both [men],” Archbishop Comensoli said.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/george-pell/2019/08/22/melbourne-archbishop-george-pell/

    This really is appalling, from so many people.

  27. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 1:20 pm

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2019 2:10 pm

    No I think the Victorian legal system is a piece of shit. I have no reason to support Pell apart from the fact there was no vigorous legal process. It was all based on the testimony of one person. Read what Justice Weinberg said.

    Justice Weinberg, a former Federal Court judge who presided over the trial of Melbourne’s Bourke Street killer James Gargasoulas last year, said there was a body of evidence that made it “impossible to accept” the victim’s account.
    “From … the complainant’s evidence, it can be seen that there was ample material upon which his account could be legitimately subject to criticism. There were inconsistencies, and discrepancies, and a number of his answers simply made no sense,” Justice Weinberg wrote in his judgment released on Wednesday.
    “An unusual feature of this case was that it depended entirely upon the complainant being accepted, beyond reasonable doubt, as a credible and reliable witness. Yet the jury were invited to accept his evidence without there being any independent support for it.”
    After assessing the evidence presented at Pell’s County Court trial last year, Justice Weinberg said he would have quashed the cardinal’s five convictions for child sex offences.

  29. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 2:23 pm

    I think the Victorian legal system is a piece of shit

    Interestingly, bolt etal have in the past screamed about the Vistorian legal system being too lenient.

    How that worm turned.

    As for “here was no vigorous legal process.”

    So, are you saying the two who were absolutely convinced are not applying rigour? I think that there is a legal term for that, which I hope is applied to these pedophile protectors from the right

  30. August 22, 2019 2:24 pm

    “OK I know nothing about legal stuff. Who does?”

    If I had to hazard a guess, I might suggest barristers, solicitors, QCs and judges.

  31. August 22, 2019 2:24 pm

    You know, the ones who found Pell guilty after a thorough and exhaustive process.

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2019 2:36 pm

    OK. The legal system in Victoria found Pell guilty. That is a fact.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2019 2:53 pm

    RIP Tim Fischer …

  34. August 22, 2019 4:44 pm

    “The legal system in Victoria found Pell guilty. That is a fact.”

    It’s almost as if you were trying to make a point, but then…nothing happened.

  35. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2019 5:04 pm

    Let’s be clear, no judge found him innocent.

    Two judges found him to be guilty, with no doubt, one judge could not find beyond reasonable doubt.

    This monster ruined lives. Think on that when you defend him

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2019 6:39 pm

    This monster ruined lives.

    And not just the young boy he was found guilty of molesting … all the boys that were molested by other priests that he protected as Archbishop …

    And Tony Abbott referred to him as a Mentor … what a mentor he must have been!

    And Happy Clappy Scotty is cast in the same mould!

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2019 6:40 pm

    No I think the Victorian legal system is a piece of shit.

    No, Kneel, you don’t think at all!

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2019 9:47 pm

    I know you say you’re anti all religions TB, but do you have an equivalent to “cstlicks” for Muslims (for example)?
    Or is that religion a particular/special target for your bigotry?

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2019 10:37 pm

    Or is that religion a particular/special target for your bigotry?

    Do you know anyone who has experienced rape … ToM?

    What about domestic violence … ToM?

    How many juries have you served on … ToM?

    Do you know what bigotry actually is … ToM?

    What religion do you favour … ToM?

    What do you think about the Jewish community … ToM?

    Or the Indian community … ToM?

    And what about Tim Fischer’s demise … ToM?

    When did you study … active listening … ToM?

    Are you familiar with transactional analysis … ToM?

    What about pedophilia in religious institutions … ToM?

  40. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:00 am

    Australians are working(?) hard for that elusive surplus 😉 😦

  41. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:04 am

    Pedophile defenders are the same everywhere, full of shit!

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2019 7:56 am

    All those questions TB… it’s look over there!

    Do you have a ridiculing name for people of other faiths and religious beliefs? Or is your bigotry really limited to “catlicks”?

  43. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 8:16 am

    … it’s look over there!

    Isn’t that what you were doing?

    And, I know I am more bigoted against xtians than any other faith, but that’s because I’ve had far more negative contact with them.

    catliks I’ve always disliked, mainly from rumours, which have all turned out to be proven facts these days.

    They should be an outlawed organisation.

  44. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 8:26 am

    So yomm, do you agree that pell is guilty?

    Or has our legal system broeken down?

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2019 8:50 am

    I’m satisfied that he’s had a fair trial, and I have no argument with the outcome.

    But it’s great to see that you accept you’re a bigot.

    Although you generally don’t accept the right of others to use personal experience as the basis of their opinions/orientation.

  46. August 23, 2019 9:07 am

    “… it’s look over there!”

    Isn’t that what you were doing?

    EXACTLY

  47. August 23, 2019 9:09 am

    It seems like ToM’s in one of those moods again where he’s just looking for an argument and throwing out lines to see if he can catch one.

    It’s a bit weird, tbh.

  48. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 9:27 am

    It’s a bit weird, tbh.

    Yes, but he has cum to the right place 😉

    Although you generally don’t accept the right of others to use personal experience as the basis of their opinions/orientation.

    I’d have described it more as ‘to use bullshit’ as the basis 😉

  49. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 9:27 am

    Speaking of the ipa, is pell still a member?

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:09 am

    No, I’m just applying the accepted practice of this blog- identifying bigots and hypocrites

  51. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:13 am

    So yomm, are you bigoted against pedophiles?

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:19 am

    Do you think there’s a difference between criminality and spirituality?

  53. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:22 am

    Do you think there’s a difference between criminality and spirituality?

    are you bigoted against pedophiles?

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:24 am

    No, I’m just applying the accepted practice of this blog- identifying bigots and hypocrites

    First define “bigot” and “hypocritical” in the context of the Catholic Church and my comments …

    And answer one one those questions above … How many juries have you served on?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do you think there’s a difference between criminality and spirituality?

    Do you think they are the same???

  55. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:36 am

    Do you think they are the same???,/i>

    The way things stand, there’s an ever narrowing thin line between them 😉

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:39 am

    Definition of bigot. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

    Definition of hypocrite. 1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

  57. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2019 10:49 am

    Definition of not answering a question

    yomm

    He’s our own skateaway 😉

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 4:46 pm

    ToM … your source?

    It is considered correct process to verify the authenticity of the source of “definitions”

    eg

    Bigot: A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

    Origin:
    Late 16th century (denoting a superstitious religious hypocrite): from French, of unknown origin.

    https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/bigot

    Hypocritical: Behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

    https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/hypocritical

    Do you have a ridiculing name for people of other faiths and religious beliefs? Or is your bigotry really limited to “catlicks”?

    Well according to, lexico, I’m no bigot … but many religious believers are … and it seems they are also hypocrites …

    I have only ever highlighted bigotry and hypocrisy in religious/semi religious organisations – usually based upon extremes that demonstrate hypocrisy, theft, cheating, lying, secretive actions, meddling in state affairs and ignoring the separation of state and religion (Parliaments still say the Lord’s Prayer – how does that work in a multi-religious and declared secular country?)

    As for catlicks … as a religious group they have caused me more heartache and pain than any other organisation I have ever had contact with … like all the major religions in Australia THEY want to control the population … and like all major religions (and many smaller churches and cults) they are run by MEN and controlled by MEN … and the evidence is pretty obvious in right wing politics that “religious” “men” believe in controlling women and their bodies and minds … and any other group they think they can enslave, the young, the weak, the old, LGBTI community the list goes on …

    Call me a bigot … I don’t GAF … if religious hypocrites and bigots make fools of themselves and others and continue to hurt people to control them … then:

    I will speak up – every fucking time!

    Now answer my question … why do you want to know? 🙂

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 4:52 pm

    Doesn’t Happy Clappy SloMo realise that he has won the election or is he just wasting time and everyone else’s energy? Doing SFA!

    Just in

    Dear T,

    We’re getting on with the job and delivering on our plan.

    This includes delivering tax relief for 10 million Australians. We believe you should keep more of what you earn.

    We’ve delivered practical help for our drought-affected farmers.

    We’ve taken action to lower electricity, child care and medical costs.

    We’re taking tough action against law-breaking unions. We’re also stopping activists from threatening farming families.

    We’re building congestion busting infrastructure. This will create jobs and get you home to your family sooner.

    To keep Australians safe, we are taking action against returning foreign fighters and those who seek to harm children.

    And we’re getting on with making sure we actually recycle plastic waste rather than shipping it overseas or dumping it in landfill.

    We will continue to back you and your family. This means working to deliver a stronger economy, lower taxes, better infrastructure and guaranteed services.

    For more information about what we are delivering, click here.

    Scott Morrison

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:04 pm

    A bigot isn’t simply being intolerant of other opinions. If that was the definition, every politician would be a bigot. They aren’t.

    Being a bigot requires intolerance towarss a particular type of group. Cultural, racial, religious… that’s why you qualfy, but not every opinionated person is a bigot.

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:19 pm

    Being a bigot requires intolerance towarss a particular type of group.

    I’m guessing you mean “towards” …

    You do realise that the catlicks (I stopped using that term but you’ve reintroduced it) are intolerant of atheists, agnostics, protestants, blacks, women, any other religion … ?

    that’s why you qualfy, but not every opinionated person is a bigot.

    I think you meant … “qualify” … I know, it happens when you are angry and frustrated and typing quickly to make a point … or typing on a surfboard? … do you really surf? You don’t like competition much …

    Who says I “qualify”?

    So what you are saying is that I’m a bigot for calling out catlicks … because you say so? (Be careful now – that’s a question!)

    BTW … how many juries have you served on?

    And come to think of it … you didn’t answer your OWN question … does that mean you disregard other people’s opinions? Making you …. w a i t f o r i t ! A BIGOT!

    AND?

    Do you think there’s a difference between criminality and spirituality?

    Do you think they are the same???

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:20 pm

    A bigot isn’t simply being intolerant of other opinions. If that was the definition, every politician would be a bigot. They aren’t.

    Prove that statement!

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:20 pm

    I can easily disprove it!

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:21 pm

    Chuckle … which Catholic church do you support … chuckle …

  65. Tony permalink
    August 23, 2019 6:53 pm

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 7:16 pm

    ToSY … they are not talking about you … I’ve never seen you that way … misguided maybe but never a cunt …

    This may cheer you up …

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/23/pell-is-in-jail-where-he-belongs-and-culture-warriors-let-fly-their-rage-at-the-fall-of-their-creature

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 7:16 pm

    Because cunts are very nice …

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2019 7:34 pm

    Ahhh …

    Former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has threatened to sit on the crossbench and destroy Scott Morrison’s one-seat majority in federal Parliament over the abortion debate.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/08/22/barnaby-joyce-switch-crossbench-abortion/

    Above …

    August 23, 2019 4:52 pm

    Doesn’t Happy Clappy SloMo realise that he has won the election or is he just wasting time and everyone else’s energy? Doing SFA!

    ToM … note the referencing … you would have done that at uni surely?

  69. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2019 7:08 pm

    So, Gays shouldn’t get married because they are unlikeable cunts?

  70. Tony permalink
    August 25, 2019 8:18 pm

    😂 Haha. Good one TomR.🤣

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2019 10:50 am

    What a pity the G7 is meeting in Biarritz. I was there for a month- June/July

    It has great surf, wonderful restaurants/cafes, and now Trump is there to spread his crap all over it.

  72. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2019 2:07 pm

    Just trying to follow through that tweets lofic Tony. It’s not easy 😉

  73. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2019 3:16 pm

    lofic? logic :facepalm:

  74. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2019 3:16 pm

    I see our grubmint is pleading with business not to do what their policies have enabled them, put profits ahead of wages.

    Dickheads

  75. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2019 3:24 pm

  76. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2019 11:20 am

    More ALP division!!

    And much of that is directly the fault of albanese. He should have researched before telling Setka to leave.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2019 12:09 pm

    And the Supreme Court has given the green light to the federal executive to give Setka the boot. That should be even more fun!

  78. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2019 1:24 pm

    yep, albos fighting Unionists, not Tories

    he’s a fuckwit.

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2019 3:09 pm

    That’s interesting. So you think about half the ALP leaders since Keating are fuckwits.

    Does that fill you with confidence about the talent in the party?

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2019 6:46 pm

    So the Government is “going after” tradies who accept “cashies” … the multinationals must be too hard or donate more …

    A “””mate”””” of mine voted Liberal because he was now a “businessman” … he was a fucking tiler that his brother had “trained” (his brother was qualified) …

    Just for the record, my “”””mate”””” was a “qualified” — wool classer …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s interesting. So you think about half the ALP leaders since Keating are fuckwits.

    Apologies for butting in … but I do … but it beats 100% fuckwits in the government.

    And Don’t Blame Me – I Voted Labor!

    the Supreme Court has given the green light to the federal executive to give Setka the boot

    There ya go again … that’s not what the Court said … that’s what you said …

    The more you prattle I know you ain’t educated … no referencing … pure “I know better than anyone” shyte … and someone once told you to answer a question with a question … you wobble with a little knowledge … probably promoted via Peter’s Principle …

    You’re problem is — we know what you aren’t!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    he’s a fuckwit.

    Agree … sadly … Bill Shorten was our best chance … the only one I can see working effectively at the moment is Kenneally … and I was not a “fan” – still not … but …

  81. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 6:13 am

    So you think about half the ALP leaders since Keating are fuckwits.

    2 aint half, genius, so stop making shit up.

    … that’s what you said …

    It’s kinda his thing, he’s our skateaway, “he’s makin’ movies ………… he don’t know what it means” 😉

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2019 7:18 am

    Latham, Rudd and Albanese is 2 ???

  83. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 8:18 am

    I’d forgotten about latham

    I stand corrected, about half the ALP leaders since Keating are fuckwits.

    But, as TB said, it’s better than all of them 😉

  84. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 8:23 am

    It is akin to the government appointing Crown casino’s Victorian wombat-hunting associates to advise the Wildlife Protection Agency, or recruiting the services of Ivan Milat to counsel the Crime Task Force on how to deal with serial killers

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2019/08/27/josh-frydenberg-tax-advisers/

    Meanwhile …………… #robodebt

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/23/robodebt-target-pensioners-sensitive-groups-leaked-documents?CMP=share_btn_tw

  85. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 8:51 am

    Instead of investing in apprenticeships, Michaelia Cash and the Gov’t are giving car washes thousands to hire “interns” at $4 an hour. This is just abuse of our kids, and their future

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahryan/path-internships-car-washes-jobs-young-australia?fbclid=IwAR2IyqZp-0sDaIwMFZHnv7K9f0m3tA_mFdSDXXHDb8-gu2WdqI67PbxzloI

  86. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2019 10:12 am

    “… the only one I can see working effectively at the moment is Kenneally …”

    ROTFLMAO

    Are you doing a TAFE course in Comedy.

    That is hilarious

  87. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 10:31 am

    That is hilarious

    yep, they’re all pretty fucked right now. And nsw labor aren’t helping them at all (like they ever did)

    Mind you, could you imagine the outcry had several Labor leaders (fuckwits or not) who vociferously (memories 🙂 ) defended a convicted pedophile, AFTER his conviction?

  88. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 11:08 am

  89. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2019 11:29 am

    “And nsw labor aren’t helping them at all (like they ever did)”

    I know someone very very very well who when he worked for a certain Sydney CBD property developer circa 1986 had to make arrangements to cash a cheque for $200k and have the cash delivered to a very very high ranking state government minister.

    Apparently the safe of the Commonwealth Bank in Martin Place is an architectural marvel with all of its ornate trimmings on the walls and ceilings………………….or so he told me.

  90. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 1:25 pm

    .or so he told me.

    And he lived to tell the tale?

  91. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2019 1:45 pm

    Who’d have thought that centerlink lie?

  92. August 28, 2019 2:50 pm

    Everything is fucked, basically.

    Australia is just a little bit less fucked (at the moment) than the rest of the world.

    Apparently, $2 is the average monthly income in Venezuela.

    So $4 an hour to wash cars is absolute luxury (or so Miss White Trash would have us believe I suppose).

  93. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2019 3:46 pm

    “And he lived to tell the tale?”

    It’s certainly not a “tale” but yes he did.

    I remember him detailing to me how difficult it was to find a Commonwealth Bank branch that carried that much cash on a typical Wednesday morning (he diarized the entire day in a black leather diary just in case of any later ramifications).

    Finally the Town Hall bank manager suggested Commonwealth Bank Martin Place as it held millions in its underground vault.

    Well that’s what he told me

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2019 7:47 am

    I was just listening to the ABC, interviewing Wayne Swan. What a complete loudmouth, waffling bulls*** artist.

    Thankfully we don’t have to put up with him these days.

  95. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2019 8:23 am

    It’s certainly not a “tale” but yes he did.

    I didn’t mean to imply that, I didn’t have reason not to believe it. I worked briefly in the finance district in Sydney. It was filthy

    And not just physically

    What a complete loudmouth, waffling bulls*** artist.

    incisive take down yomm 😉

    But, was he wrong? After all, he is one of the main reasons that “Australia is just a little bit less fucked (at the moment) ” 🙂

    Then again, we could be (probably are) more fucked than we know (or are led to believe)

  96. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2019 10:39 am

    Australia managed to survive the global recession – but all that good work has been wasted | Greg Jericho

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/aug/29/australia-managed-to-survive-the-global-recession-but-all-that-good-work-has-been-wasted?CMP=share_btn_tw

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2019 7:59 pm

    Australia is just a little bit less fucked (at the moment) than the rest of the world.

    Like the GFC … there are signals – but more of them … market jitters, business fails, business downsizing, projected massive jobs losses, stagnation of household incomes, large corporate/shareholder profits (the “successful” ones), massive household debt, low interest mortgages, political inconsistency of policies, an obsession with surplus, attacks on the most vulnerable in our society (again), corruption both political and corporate, an increase in protest groups, the inequality of haves and have-nots (extremely rich and extremely poor), lies/deceit/ cheating, disrespect for police/paramedics- ambos/rescue (police or fire) and authority in general … the list is longer BUT they are all signals of a breakdown in global and national society norms …

    Read your history … and what bothers me are these disturbing factors for Australia …

    … the rise of religious right wing extremism (where do they come from?) – that historically lead to wars …

    … trade wars – that historically lead to real wars …

    … the manipulation of established democratic principles that generations of soldiers, sailors and air personnel have either volunteered or been “press ganged” into defending …

    “It is not so long ago that a member of the Diplomatic Body in London, who had spent some years of his service in China, told me that there was a Chinese curse which took the form of saying, ‘May you live in interesting times.’ There is no doubt that the curse has fallen on us.”

    “We move from one crisis to another. We suffer one disturbance and shock after another.”

    Sir Austen Chamberlain, MP (late 1930’s)

    We live in exciting times alright …

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2019 9:49 pm

    An obsession with surplus? I don’t see that but if we had been running budgets surpluses we may not have recessions. Debt has been exploding since the GFC so the next recession will most probably be worse

  99. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2019 8:13 am

    … the rise of religious right wing extremism

    Queue the Pee Police

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2019 10:55 am

    “Albo has failed to launch”

    I think he’ll come good, and there’s 3 years until an election. The ALP would be wise to reset their message – less focus on the class warfare of Shorten

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-30/analysis-project-albo-seeking-to-change-labor-leadership/11462790

  101. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2019 10:58 am

    albo has simply proved that Shorten was the correct decision 😉

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2019 11:33 am

    Now the Melbourne bike hire scheme has been abandoned. It was doomed from the time they decided a helmet was required.
    So people can’t just hire a bike to get around, they have to BUY a helmet.
    People don’t want to buy a helmet just so that they can hire a bike for 40 minutes

  103. Tony permalink
    August 30, 2019 6:15 pm

    At first I thought: urinals should be banned because they are a symbol of the patriarchy, not to mention manpissing. But then I figured: leave them there and let everyone use them. After all, why should only penis owners be allowed to pee standing up?

  104. Tony permalink
    August 31, 2019 8:51 am

  105. ivi permalink
    August 31, 2019 11:11 am

    (So, with respect to the state (of) taking the piss, one might conclude, too, that ‘traditional urinal(-user/-owner)s‘ are/n’t full of (s(h))it?)

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2019 11:37 pm

    This person has lost it. And a Liberal party MP to.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/speaker-sue-hickey-says-her-dollar190000-salary-isnt-enough-calls-for-pay-rise/ar-AAGDS0g?ocid=spartandhp

    Sue Hickey believes Tasmanian parliamentary speakers — like herself — deserve to earn more than their $190,000 annual salary.

  107. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2019 8:25 am

    At first I thought:

    And then he stopped 😉

    ALP in diabolical situation!

    On the upside, at least it’s being recognized.

  108. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2019 8:44 am

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2019 12:49 pm

    There was an article in the newspaper this morning, no link, about the struggle politicians have in finding work after they are turfed out of their seat. My reaction- who gives a F***

    Maybe if they entered parliament after they’d established a career, they could return to it. But most just go from uni to electioal assistant (or union official) to political advisor to pre selection.

    They know nothing else.

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2019 3:39 pm

    Obviously Happy Clappy Slomo’s hopes and prayers only work for christians …

    What a bunch of right wing religious nutters run (down) this country!

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2019 6:04 pm

    Do you really think asylum seeker policy is a subset of Christianity?

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2019 6:49 pm

    Clever question, ToM – as usual – The case of the Tamil family from Biloela (I’ve been there often BTW and met quite a few of the townsfolk in the late 90’s/early 2000’s!) is one of HUMAN concern … not christianity …

    … but the present Happy Clappy Messiah talks about hope and prayers … but certainly doesn’t walk the talk … he’s a self centred hypocrite …

    And Potato Head is just the Bovver Boy … boots an’ all init?

    In many politician’s minds … no matter their “politics” … it IS one of religion … remember those poor South African white farmers? ‘Course ya won’t …

    Your naivety (for someone who is obviously intelligent ) is astounding … as is your obfuscation … in politics are/were you?

    Ya think the White Oz Policy was really a “Labor” policy … it flew through parliament!

    Parliament still say the Lord’s Prayer … this country is supposed to be secular … but the christians and their supporters, still running the farce, don’t get it … or maybe they do …?

    I’m agnostic … you are obviously a christian … I’ll challenge any and all religions’ hypocrisy … with or without your blessing …

    And I’m sick of your government and their dumb and dumber supporters treating intelligent educated Australians like morons … sitting on their arses and fiddling while the world literally burns …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/02/sri-lankan-asylum-surge-story-comes-at-a-convenient-moment-for-the-government

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2019 7:30 pm

    I suppose that’s a “yes”

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2019 7:50 pm

    you are obviously a christian

    Hilarious!! I’m simply not a bigot. Whereas you just can’t resist assigning christian motivations to every government decision

    I’m sick of your government and their dumb and dumber supporters

    Hilarious!! And you complain about me being presumptive!

  115. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2019 8:23 am

    Do you really think asylum seeker policy is a subset of Christianity?

    Draw the line yomm

    I’m simply not a bigot.

    Except when it comes to Labor and/or Unions because ……………….. they make work places safer and pay packets healthier? 😯

    And I’m quite comfortable being bigoted towards an organisation that continues to defend a convicted pedophile (plural).

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2019 9:11 am

    I think it is entirely understandable to loathe people that have used their position of trust to abuse vulnerable children in their care, and the officials that concealed the crimes.

    But, it is bigoted to assign the guilt to the entire community they belong to.

    There are people that need a sense of faith or spirituality to give meaning to their life and I’m not inclined to ridicule them.

  117. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2019 9:46 am

    But, it is bigoted to assign the guilt to the entire community they belong to.</i.

    So, my comment about you and Unions/Labor was pretty accurate then 😉

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2019 10:01 am

    No, because the difference is – I don’t attack rank & file union members.

  119. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2019 10:06 am

    I don’t attack rank & file union members.

    But you attack representatives without any knowledge of anything, except an assumption of guilt

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2019 10:14 am

    Really? Which attacks are without basis?

    John Setka?

  121. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2019 10:44 am

    John Setka?

    to name one

    or

    any number of posts you make with derogatory comments towards union officials

  122. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2019 10:56 am

    Speaking of bigoted

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has conceded he ordered the release of new data on Sri Lankan boat arrivals to “keep the threat of illegal arrivals” alive.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2019/09/02/scott-morrison-sri-lankan/

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2019 12:52 pm

    My comments about union officials are not general. They are directed to those in construction, manufacturing and mining. There’s 3 or 4 that are the main offenders and there is plenty of evidence of their bullying and thuggish behaviour.

  124. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2019 1:02 pm

    and there is plenty of evidence of their bullying and thuggish behaviour.

    Shame a certain Royal Commission doesn’t agree with you.

    And that was a bigoted one too 🙂

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2019 2:11 pm

    I stopped short of saying – criminal. But that applies to Setka.

  126. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2019 2:23 pm

    Yea, when the criminal charges are made of things like the police charging you for a domestic which your wife doesn’t want to prosecute, but they do anyway, then ……. somethings up with the system

    And recall, many of those who want to crucify Setka for losing it after years of bullying from certain quarters, are the same ones who now defend a convicted pedophile.

  127. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2019 2:48 pm

    “You can’t discriminate against someone for their religion, but they can discriminate against you

    One law for them, and another for the rest of us”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/03/ken-the-hen-gender-ambiguity-chicken-explains-the-religious-discrimination-bill?CMP=share_btn_tw

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2019 3:11 pm

    BTW, ToM, its been explained to you before … calling out religious hypocrisy is not bigotry … its challenging the decisions that religious believers make … they, or you, can believe what they/you want – I’m agnostic remember – but the Tamils from Biloela need charity and kindness, not to be played with like a political football …

    It was the Prime Minister that used the phrase – “with prayer and hope” … he hasn’t shown any to a young, battling New Australian family living and working in an accepting rural/regional town in Queensland … those people “know” whether they “fit” the community – let them decide … not a bunch of hard headed, mean spirited politicians …

    Why do you believe they should be deported?

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2019 5:53 pm

    … calling out religious hypocrisy is not bigotry …

    But saying each catlicks carries the guilt because they remained in “the club” is extreme bigotry.

  130. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2019 5:53 pm

    ” Why do you believe they should be deported?”

    Because on 7 occasions the Courts have found that they are not refugees further evidence of this is that the father has traveled back to SL 3 times.

    You either come here the proper way or you get deported.

    They have used every legal avenue to stay which is why they have been here 7 years.

    Kick them out NOW !

    They can then reapply from SL and then the government has an even bigger opportunity to send the message you must apply the correct way.

    And dont start on au pairs there is absolutely no comparison to a couple of backpackers traveling on the wrong visa to work here.

    Doing so just shows how little depth your argument has

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2019 5:56 pm

    when the criminal charges are made of things like the police charging you for a …. range of serious crimes such as assault by kicking, assault of police, theft …stretching back many years

  132. Walrus permalink
    September 3, 2019 5:58 pm

    “Of the charges successfully pursued by police 20 years ago, Mr Setka was found guilty five times of assaulting police, five times of assault by kicking, seven times for wilful trespass, five times for resisting arrest, once for theft and once for attempted theft by deception.

    The Australian reported in May that Mr Setka had been jailed twice after being found in contempt of court. ”

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/rap-sheet-reveals-60-charges-for-would-be-union-boss-john-setka/news-story/a7be856aaf25e3120b660a8a995c15e2

    I suppose you are still defending Craig Thomson too

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2019 7:40 pm

    Yes, I haven’t followed the case of the SL family. My default position is to support the legal process and rights of appeal.

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 3, 2019 8:32 pm

    And dont start on au pairs there is absolutely no comparison to a couple of backpackers traveling on the wrong visa to work here.

    Don’t know the story but they may be able to work legally. I know you can go to the USA and work without a visa because I did it. There is the visa waver program between Australia and the USA where you can go to the USA for 3 months for business or pleasure. I went on business and worked but I was paid by my employer from Australia so I broke no law.

    And I went another time on a business visa for longer than 3 months where I was not allowed to be paid but the USA company I worked for paid for my lodging and gave me “expenses” so I could buy stuff to eat. I actually got a lot of money even though I was not allowed to be paid a wage.

    I am sure au pairs can be paid for board and lodging if they do some work. They just cannot be paid a wage

  135. ivi permalink
    September 3, 2019 9:11 pm

    (Yes, I haven’t followed the case of the SL family. My default position is to support the legal process and rights of appeal.

    GLWT)

  136. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2019 8:26 am

    support the legal process and rights of appeal.

    You know they changed the legal process after they arrived, don’t you.

    Chicken Curry, yums 🙂

    ” been jailed twice after being found in contempt of court.”

    It can be argued the courts often deserve contempt. Just ask Pell 😉

  137. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2019 8:27 am

    The ‘legal’ process in action

  138. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2019 8:54 am

    “It was the Prime Minister that used the phrase – “with prayer and hope” … he hasn’t shown any to a young, battling New Australian family living and working in an accepting rural/regional town in Queensland …..”

    Oh I get it. So immigration policy should now be determined on religious grounds according to our resident chief mullah from Queensland

  139. September 4, 2019 9:03 am

    Organized Crime. Organized Skyfairy. ls there a difference. Pell has been looking like the dogfather of an international PedoFileMafia for quite some time now. Keep him in the gulag with El-Chappo.

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2019 9:15 am

    If you find it safe enough to repeatedly return to SL, the chances are that you’re probably not requiring assylum

    But that’s a matter for the legal process, not for politicians

  141. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2019 9:43 am

    If you find it safe enough to repeatedly return to SL

    do you have a link for that?

    It was my understanding he hasn’t left the country since he arrived here?

    I also heard a story about his fiance being burned?

  142. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    September 4, 2019 10:41 am

    Unfortunately l`ve noticed albo is quite underwhelming too, in a kim beazleyish way, can`t say l see what da-memebership/s see in him. But l`m sure that between; playing their `B`team, keeping blib stooten and assorted knifers, with sam and sheila and the aldi sack of cash, they`ll be rocketing ahead in the pref-leader poles, and will push the zombies off the cliff at next fedvote.

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2019 10:49 am

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/biloela-tamil-family-melbourne-federal-circuit-court-hearing/11468874?pfmredir=sm

    This article suggests that visits back to Sri Lanka are prejudicial to his claims

  144. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2019 11:08 am

    So, he traveled to and fro back when he lived there. Because, people gotta work, no matter how bad it is.

    You understand Palestinians travel in and out of Israel. It’s not from choice.

    That’s pathetic

    Everywhere I’ve read it online has alluded that he went from here.

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2019 11:48 am

    If the legal process has found they are not a genuine asylum seekers, I’m not sure why a politician should overturn the decision.

  146. Walrus permalink
    September 4, 2019 12:00 pm

    The fact is the husband lied by saying on his application to be granted refugee status that he was forced to fight with the Tamil Tigers. That has ben found to be utter bullshit

    There is no way that could have been true if he was free to travel to the Middle East.

    However it is heatening to se Kristina Kenneally making speeches to activist groups who want to dismantle the borders. Its a great association for someone who is the ALPs Immigration spokesperson who claims they are in lockstep with government policy.

    It just demonstrates to the electorate that the ALP cannot be trusted on tight borders.

    The woman is a TV camera seeking fool

  147. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2019 12:24 pm

    I’m not sure why a politician should overturn the decision.

    Could it be because he has done it thousands of times before?
    Could it be because, as the politician THAT CHANGED THE RULES on them, perhaps he might consider those RULES ARE NOW WRONG!

  148. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2019 1:35 pm

    I see the AFP are bored again.

    At the same time numbers show the economy to be …. like it aint being run by the Best Economic Managers around ?

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2019 3:17 pm

    This like reading a cartoon strip …

    But then I suppose most of the Western nations are run by slapstick and/or stand up comedians in the Komedy Klub …

    Trouble is no-one seems to be laughing …

    Bet the recipe for Soylent Green is on Happy Clappy’s desk right now!

  150. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2019 4:04 pm

    Looks like the libs learnt from Swan 😉

    If you take away government spending, the economy would have shrunk in the June quarter. So much for ‘remarkable resilience’

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/sep/04/no-surprise-but-shocking-theres-no-other-way-to-spin-australias-gdp?CMP=share_btn_tw

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2019 6:12 pm

    I felt sorry for Theresa May. There was no way through for her.

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2019 6:50 pm

    Who?

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2019 7:22 pm

    This seems to be going well! Union affiliation is such a positive for the ALP.

    Controversial unionist John Setka’s rift with much of his own union has deepened with the CFMMEU’s national office moving buildings in a bid to distance themselves from Mr Setka.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/cfmmeu-rift-deepens-as-national-office-moves-to-get-away-from-setka-20190904-p52nz7.html

  154. September 4, 2019 7:25 pm

    xib d7s q8i

    Think again o1`tunc, we are already in the soylent era. Of course there is no recipe on Happy Clappy`s desk right now! ” there is no space, make room, make room, as it is covered in pet(black) rocks. The silver lining is “ nations are run by slapstick ” and clever viewers know they can`t follow a recipe for success anyway.

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 4, 2019 8:11 pm

    FRom TomR’s link.

    Gee I wonder who was elected in 2007?

  156. September 4, 2019 8:17 pm

    That`s right. Do not feel sorry for dead-workers, biloela4, homeless, poor, K/whistleBlowers, gulagedBoaties, pensioners, vets or others down trodden. Much better to feel “sorry for Theresa” who arsefcuked herself and her “way through” brexit with a self inflicted election that swept out lots of her own parliament support/ers. Way to go dummy.

  157. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2019 8:38 am

    his own anaphylactic bloviation

    That’s brilliant reb 🙂

  158. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2019 8:49 am

    lol yomm

    So, the organization that just hosted a money making dinner for the unions political enemy writes a story about offices being moved (has this EVER happened before 😯 ) and, without attribution anywhere, decide it’s a ‘rift’, and then proceed to list a litany of allegations, and, on the one piece of information that is accurate, fail to mention that he was sending the messages TO HIS WIFE!!

    And any bigoted reader laps it up, and stokes their own bigotry

    pathetic

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2019 9:09 am

    Also reported by the ABC, but I suppose you’d prefer to get your news from the daily CFMMEU newsletter!

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-04/national-and-manufacturing-divisions-moving-away-from-cfmeu/11479128?pfmredir=sm

  160. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2019 9:25 am

    Also reported by the ABC

    lol

    Who’s their current boss again now, after all the exposure of political tampering

    oh yea, miss lib herself ROFL

    Our media is broeken, far more so than when I started pointing out to you how broeken it was years ago.

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2019 9:29 am

    It’s a media conspiracy!!
    Setka is nice and he only has about 20 criminal convictions and they were only for things like assault by kicking. Nothing serious.

  162. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2019 9:32 am

    I’m just saying that the media have decided, without a word from anybody, the reasons for something.

    And used that to repeat allegations that continue to smear a political enemy

    And bigots lap it up.

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2019 10:12 am

    Yes, I doubt whether a political activist from the CFMMEU national office would have provided the media with the story. Because it’s just an invention by the media conspiracy!!

  164. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2019 10:36 am

    Because it’s just an invention by the media conspiracy!!

    You know, like they keep trying to make out that he goes around threatening random women, when it turns out it’s a domestic dispute. 😉

  165. Walrus permalink
    September 5, 2019 11:12 am

    Fuck anyone linking to Michael Taylor must be desperate.

    I thought that cunt of a human being would be dead for sure by now.

    Perhaps it was just attention seeking all those years ago.

  166. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2019 11:53 am

    Fuck anyone linking to Michael Taylor must be desperate.

    ??

    Yep, a world of pain TB

    And, they say “worst for a decade”, only because they are changing the measurements.

    It’s the worst since the last recesssion. It wasn’t this bad during the GFC

    Media still playing cover for the libs

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2019/09/04/worst-gdp-growth-since-1990-91-recession/

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2019 3:36 pm

    I don’t know why the media is feigning so much surprise about Boris Johnson and the UK parliament. He’s basically repeatedly said he would crash through or crash, and create a crisis to force an outcome.

    So it’s all really unsurprising

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2019 6:47 pm

    So it’s all really unsurprising

    Hopefully its the first crack in the right wing re-resurgence since before WWII … people don’t forget … they just don’t know …

    Hopefully, Trump’s next … and then maybe a domino effect …

    Have you considered what could happen to Australia if Iran suddenly became belligerent (as Trump is now and Isreal) and actually went to war?

    Do you get the sense that so many right wing led countries want to rattle the sabre … and left wing countries want to retaliate … ?

    Is it time for Australia to become the Switzerland of Asia?

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2019 9:30 pm

    I’m not going to turn into Nasking, but… the Optus advert that’s been playing made me look at this! Hilarious and fun!

  170. Walrus permalink
    September 6, 2019 9:02 am

    “Do you get the sense that so many right wing led countries want to rattle the sabre”

    Advice from Mr Chamberlain LOL

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2019 9:16 am

    Yes, Iran , Russia are right wing?

  172. September 6, 2019 9:19 am

    Being the nation of deepest embedded roid-cream in teh yank arse; it would be the longest and hardest journey for clowntown politicians to undertake for “Australia to become the Switzerland of Asia“; dare l say; a mission impossible. They will all continue to grovel.

  173. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    September 6, 2019 11:32 am

    Anustralia!

  174. September 6, 2019 12:53 pm

    In case you missed it:

    “”Boris Johnson’s speech at a police academy in Wakefield was the shitshow to end all shitshows.””

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/05/bumbling-boriss-speech-at-police-academy-was-classic-dom

  175. Walrus permalink
    September 6, 2019 1:33 pm

    “”Boris Johnson’s speech at a police academy in Wakefield was the shitshow to end all shitshows.””

    I heard an interesting bit of info the other day. Not only was the referendum vote for Brexit was 52% to 48% but astonishingly an analysis of the vote found that out of the 650 odd seat parliament over 400 seats voted in the majority for Brexit as well with many of those Labour seats

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2019 4:39 pm

    Universities should stop trying to stymie debate. Hope this payment causes a little reflection.

    The Federal Circuit Court has awarded Peter Ridd $1.2 million in damages after earlier finding James Cook University acted unlawfully in sacking the physics professor.

    Dr Ridd was dismissed by the university last year after he repeatedly questioned colleagues’ research on the impact of global warming on the Great Barrier Reef, criticising the work as untrustworthy and “misleading”.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/damaged-goods-professor-awarded-1-2m-for-uni-s-unlawful-sacking-20190906-p52op3.html

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2019 5:07 pm

    I think current polling on Brexit is still about 50/50. So despite people now fully understanding the likely difficulty and consequences, there has been no measurable swing back to remain.

    Open, uncontrolled borders is probably the main concern of voters.

    It seems to be an international sentiment.

  178. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2019 5:15 pm

    “Open, uncontrolled borders is probably the main concern of voters.”

    Exactly. The poms are getting swamped by people from Eastern Europe. Put a pile of money of the table and watch people come running

  179. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    September 6, 2019 8:50 pm

    Over at your guardian echo chamber they are having a fine bit of sport with theBoris ol`chap. What sticks out like dogs nads to me tho is; for ages now the corbyn mutt has been yapping for an election and putting it back into the peoples hands. Well, theBoris just gave parliament the `snap` election vote and team corbyn abstained. Looks like team corbyn has dishwater disease too. ls blib stooten over in britainnia advising team corbyn.

  180. September 7, 2019 3:26 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  181. September 7, 2019 10:34 am

    gfv nhi Shane Warne on Brexit: ‘Get on with it’

    Shane Warne has said that the UK should just “get on with” Brexit, telling the (bbc)Today programme: “Boris is good, everyone’s great, it’s a great country”.

    Asked if the Ashes could be a distraction from Brexit, the former Australian leg-spinner said that as an `outsider` he was amused by suggestions “people didn`t know what they were voting for” in the 2016 EU referendum.

    He spoke to Today ahead of the fourth Ashes Test, in a week where the government is taking on the Commons over no-deal Brexit and a possible general election.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-49581690/shane-warne-on-brexit-get-on-with-it

    @Warnies bbc and the `commons` has forgotten theNigel is waiting in the wings to support theBoris on a quick brexit. l doubt it will play out well for the dishwaters, or obstructing teabags that have already forgotten 2/3rds of the teabag membership backed theBoris and his well known `get on with it` ; deal-or-not plan. Banning no-deal was idiotic, by the commons.

  182. ivi permalink
    September 7, 2019 1:37 pm

    (I thought we were meant to ‘listen to the muzak‘: oh well.)

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2019 1:45 pm

    I think ACOSS misses the point about drug and alcohol testing of unemployed people.

    Many/most employers conduct a pre employment medical test, which usually includes drug and alcohol testing.

    If people are seeking work they should be able to present for this examination in a condition that will pass the test, otherwise they will not gain employment

    Employers in many industries have safety procedures that include random drug and alcohol testing.

    Unemployed people and those seeking work have to be aware of the standards of fitness for work that will be required of them, and the the time to get ready is before being tested by a prospective employer, neglecting this will simply cause them to remain unemployed.

    https://www.acoss.org.au/media_release/governments-drug-testing-policy-demeaning-and-flawed/

  184. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2019 9:07 am

    Is that a heart I see there yomm?

    Or just common sense filtering through?

    This is just another form of punching down on people, with no evidence to show it will help. Like the indue card, the evidence is all against it.

    The indue card itself is a horrendous way to inflict pain and suffering on the poor and/or unfortunate, and to further push taxpayers dollars into their mates wallets, this will only exasperate this

    Guess torturing brown people just isn’t doing it anymore?

  185. ivi permalink
    September 9, 2019 9:14 am

    (Hands up everyone who think taxpayer money should support the tobacco industry and illicit drug dealers

    Ooh, me, me; err, no, not me: them, them; but, only ‘coz this citizen is kinda hooked on the idea of (il)legitimate(d) (un)der)employment; as a(n im)personal-shopper; for a ‘Government’ pushing Indue Blues as (a(nti)social panacaea.)

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2019 9:46 am

    It stands to reason that if employers require a pre employment drug test, they will decline employment to those that don’t pass it.

    What’s the right time to have unemployed people ready for this if it isn’t while they’re unemployed?

  187. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2019 10:00 am

    What’s the right time to have unemployed people ready for this if it isn’t while they’re unemployed?

    When they get to that stage of the employment process perhaps?

    Also, we don’t need drug test for our employment. Why should I, if/when I become unemployed, be required to pass a test for something I am not going to be required for?

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2019 11:45 am

    When they get to that stage of the employment process perhaps?

    All that happens then is that they are unsuccessful, they haven’t been able to get themselves ready for employment.

    You would be amazed at the number of people that test positive in a pre employment medical, even though they can schedule the appointment at a time of their choice, and are advised in advance that there will be a drug & alcohol test.

    Too many people just don’t bother to get themselves ready for employment and I don’t think the time to consider getting yourself ready to pass a d&a test is just before talking it.

    Also, we don’t need drug test for our employment. Why should I, if/when I become unemployed, be required to pass a test for something I am not going to be required for?

    I don’t understand what you mean.

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2019 11:49 am

    You would be amazed at the number of people that test positive in a pre employment medical,

    I would be very interested to know just how many, ToM?

  190. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2019 12:04 pm

    I don’t understand what you mean.

    I mean, for my job, which I am qualified for, WHEN I become unemployed (because that is how work is these days), WHY should I be required to a drug test?

    My employment does not require it.

    Why should I be stigmatized for something that is not appropriate to my occupation?

  191. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2019 12:16 pm

    I would be very interested to know just how many, ToM?

    Don’t go confusing the issue with data and evidence TB

    “Compassionate Conservatives” call those things Straw Men 😉

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2019 12:18 pm

    Tom R, I don’t know which industry you work in, but… manufacturing, warehousing, logistics, anything that requires driving or use of machinery/equipment, mining, most building & construction, maintenance, labour contracting, councils,, power generation & distribution, telecommunications, airlines… require drug and alcohol testing.

    That’s quite a lot of areas of employment to opt out of.

  193. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2019 1:56 pm

    That’s quite a lot of areas of employment to opt out of.

    Well done for not addressing my point 😉

  194. September 9, 2019 6:33 pm

    “You would be amazed at the number of people…”

    According to research carried out by the YoM Research Institute. 🙄

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2019 9:54 pm

    Yes. Oddly I happen to have been involved in the employment of many thousands of people.

  196. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    September 9, 2019 11:32 pm

    Your bleeding heart pinkwashing doesn`t pass muster teamcheerer. lt is just porkbarrelling. Pure and simple. Jamming another two grand obstacle between welfare`ers and their pittance. Quite frankly l`m all for it, the zombies will sooner or later push some poor fcuker over the edge, and they`ll go all columbine, christchurch or oklahomaCity. Bring it on l say. Then the zombies can then spend 110Kpa on gulag time for those that crack. (130Kpa-in-boltsville) l`m sure the gulag costs added to the trillion dollar shoddy tower liabilitys won`t impinge on their precious surplus. After all, with villages wrapped in solidified petrol, what could possibly go wrong.

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2019 10:41 am

    … this farcical example of how our the Vatican controlled Australian Parliament works, is just one of the reasons this country is dying in so many ways …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/10/labor-defends-12bn-private-school-package-it-previously-called-a-slush-fund

    I’m more convinced than ever that Labor is now just another puppet of corporatocracy, religion … and … Liberal Party …

    (The Vatican State has certainly infiltrated Australia’s Parliaments … who can you trust? … The Royal Family! They’re all CofE … sick)

    Maybe they’re right (well they all are, aren’t they?) there is a hell … and they’re just creating another one for all of us atheists and agnostics …

    The economy – fucked

    The largest river system in Australia – fucked

    The national communication system – fucked

    The school system – fucked

    National morality and pride – fucked

    Welfare – fucked

    Health – fucked

    Education – fucked

    Parliamentarians – need to get fucked!

    Political Class? WTF is that?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Oddly I happen to have been involved in the employment of many thousands of people.

    Oddly? It’s fucking frightening considering some of the shit you believe and actually commit to the keyboard …

    Involved in? Sitting in a AC office playing HR generalissimo, I suspect …

    Just another BS comment, ToM … no context, no detail, no meaning …

    Now, when I was employing nuclear energy scientists … 🙂 🙂

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2019 12:20 pm

    You really are a particularly grumpy old bloke TB.

    … and by the way, you bang on constantly about your role in safety, but disparage my role in employing many thousands of people?

  199. September 10, 2019 12:53 pm

    Manufacturing has gone from 42% of workforce to 6%. Construction has a trillion dollar liability. Flightpaths over live volcanoes and battlefields are fine. Yomm says he helped. The evidence seems to back him.

  200. September 10, 2019 2:16 pm

    Senior politicians in Germany`s ruling parties have voiced anger at the election of a neo-Nazi as mayor of a town in the central state of Hesse.

    Stefan Jagsch of the far-right National Democratic Party (NPD) was elected unanimously by seven councillors in Waldsiedlung, near Frankfurt am Main.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49632409

    Mr Jagsch won because no rival stood against him. The small town has about 2,650 residents.

    The NPD has survived efforts to ban it, but is seen as “anti-constitutional”.

    Local councillors representing Chancellor Angela Merkel`s Christian Democrats (CDU), its governing partner the centre-left Social Democrats (SPD), and the liberal Free Democrats (FDP) all voted for Mr Jagsch.

    @-don`t get too het up. The dishwaters aren`t doing too well selling themselves as teabag-lite. Globally.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2019 3:50 pm

    You really are a particularly grumpy old bloke TB.

    And you – the HR specialist – practice ageism – you do know what that is? … seems to be a specialty around here … as for …

    … you bang on constantly about your role in safety … … (very British, old boy) … I don’t “bang on” … I actually give you information based on personal experiences – with detail (often used as ammunition by my antagonists here) and FYI my career “roles” cover a far wider range than simply workplace health and safety and in a number of workplaces and industries – from overalls to line and staff management … we could swap CV’s? 🙂

    Give us the “where, what, why, how, who and when” of your “odd, happenings” employing 1000’s of people and provide comments with facts and/or links, rather than “amazing” adjectives and you may increase your credibility.

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2019 4:13 pm

    Hilarious TB, as if I need to prove anything.

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2019 5:17 pm

    … as if I need to prove anything.

    Typical “hilarious” arrogance … you don’t need to prove a thing … nor do we need to believe anything you write either … old boy … 🙂

    Shimples …

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2019 5:30 pm

    nor do we need to believe anything you write either …

    “…we” ? You’re posting on behalf of a collective now are you TB?

    But, when you boast about nonsense like a 10 second interview, and a “competency test” for drunk workers, it’s no wonder you feel you have something to prove.

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2019 6:46 pm

    “…we” ? You’re posting on behalf of a collective now are you TB?

    Figure of speech … although other commenters here have noticed the lack of substance in your comments and poor comprehension theirs …

    But, when you boast … it was no boast … and as always, you ignore the remainder of my comment – I later applied a more refined approach, based on my uni studies and experience … and I certainly don’t recommend it to people who constantly and deliberately misread, misunderstand, misinterpret and struggle with nuance and technique … interpreting body language and NVC would be beyond their capability…

    a “competency test” for drunk workers … once again you foolishly comment on something you simply can’t or won’t understand … the competency test was not for “drunk workers” … it was to test workers for skill competency and considered as a replacement for random drug/alcohol testing …

    … you feel you have something to prove.

    No, I don’t (never had to) – my career is over, I’m happily retired (before I turned 60) – I’ve seen and experienced the world, it’s people and many interesting and different workplaces and industries, through my work and in retirement, and I’m very grateful to have had the opportunity to be able to do so.

    I have nothing to prove … in fact my only original reason to begin commenting (@ Tim Dunlop’s Blogocracy) was to share information and ideas … certainly not to impress you, or anyone else …

    However, ToM, you may have something to prove, or at least provide some evidence:

    You would be amazed at the number of people that test positive in a pre employment medical, even though they can schedule the appointment at a time of their choice, and are advised in advance that there will be a drug & alcohol test.

    Just 150 people with serious substance problems are expected to be detected by the Government’s controversial plan to drug test 5000 people on working-age benefits, it was revealed for the first time today.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/how-many-drug-users-government-expects-to-catch/news-story/929e00ba2a1be7fb3edeb4dde269d2bc

    So how many is “amazing”, ToM?

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2019 10:07 am

    That’s all very interesting TB but if you post comments that promote poor practice, do you think it should be overlooked?

    As for the D&A testing picking up 150 out of 5000, that seems to suggest that it will be genuinely random, not targeted.

  207. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2019 10:10 am

    Manufacturing has gone from 42% of workforce to 6%. Construction has a trillion dollar liability. Flightpaths over live volcanoes and battlefields are fine. Yomm says he helped. The evidence seems to back him.

    Just thought it needed repeating 😉

    Fantastic. Great move. Well done yomm

  208. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2019 8:38 am

    Seagulls are fed up?

    We need to stop privatisation. It’s a failed experiment.

    Remember how much is cost to get child care out of the stink?

    Bet it’s basically back the way it was by now 😦

    Bupa’s aged care homes failing standards across Australia

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-12/bupas-aged-care-homes-failing-standards-across-australia/11501050

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2019 11:24 am

    Oddly enough, TR, I just read this article and thought – finally people are catching up! And as usual – people have to die before they do …

    Read and be enlightened saddened … (more precisely – frightened!)

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/11/boeing-capitalism-deregulation

    How does that mantra about “bringing more people out of poverty” go again? And “trickle down economics” … I know what trickles down …

    The 21st Century version of Uber Kapitalism operated by Robber Barons* is putting most people into poverty!

    (“Nothing changes … nothing is new”, Aish, Cairo University Prof. and our Guide, 1997.)

  210. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    September 12, 2019 12:57 pm

    Enjoyed your guardian echo chambers boeing yarn, tho it isn`t new, the yank, gordon gecko style asset stripping and worker, supplier ripping. l still reckon their main game is war-toys while peace-toys are just a sideline between wars. As the yank govt is always corrupted to fill armory`s with half million dollar rockets, boeing will remain taxpayer funded profitable. The airlines can always be supplied by airbus or others, so their `woes` are voluntary beyond the `max` crashes. You may remember when hockey chased auto away, l pointed out that auto had spent too much time`n effort extorting govt/s for handouts and not building wanted product. lts the same disease.

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2019 1:48 pm

    Does anyone talk about”trickle down economics” now? A very 1980s term and philosophy.

  212. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2019 2:07 pm

    Does anyone talk about”trickle down economics” now?

    You mean, apart from the current Australian Government?

  213. September 12, 2019 2:24 pm

    Just because the parrot in the cage is screeching `teabags build the strongest cage` ; does not mean the cage is strong. lt may just mean the parrot is bright enough to screech a few slogans and not bright enough to escape.

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2019 2:38 pm

    “Uber Kapitalism”… well the Uber share price isn’t a measure of success…

    And I don’t understand why TB always refers to a taxi company as the model of the free market.

    https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-google&source=android-browser&q=uber+share+price

  215. Tony permalink
    September 12, 2019 4:27 pm

    Uber Kapitalism has Lyfted more people out of poverty than any other system that’s ever been tried.

    R U 🙂K?

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2019 4:40 pm

    I prefer Ola Kapitalism

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ola_Cabs

  217. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2019 9:16 am

    Uber Kapitalism has Lyfted more people out of poverty than any other system that’s ever been tried.

    You sure it not social capitalism coupled with the scientific advances that social capitalism has brought because …. governments fund research?

  218. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2019 12:21 pm

    It’s hardly racist to identify an MP with mixed loyalties.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-14/gladys-liu-scott-morrison-hubris/11511280

  219. September 14, 2019 12:35 pm

    What`s wrong with our future owners knowing what they`re buying.

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 15, 2019 1:59 pm

    It wasn’t the send-off a beloved leader gets. Half full stadium.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-15/zimbabwe-says-goodbye-to-robert-mugabe-in-state-funeral/11513946

  221. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2019 8:33 am

    It’s ok to be racist to Sam Dastyari, cos he’s brown, but not Glady Liu, cos she’s liberal

    The #auspol rules are easy once you have them explained to you 😉

  222. Tony permalink
    September 16, 2019 9:51 am

    Beats thinking for yourself.🤣

  223. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2019 9:54 am

    Beats thinking for yourself.

    That’s why I’m here tosy, to do it for you.

    Else, you end up thinking the GBR is fine, cos some numbnut scooby dived there, and they knows betters 😉

  224. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2019 9:55 am

    Better economic manager ROFL

    Australia is providing a classic study in how not to build a productive economy.

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/australia-a-classic-study-in-how-not-to-build-a-productive-economy/

  225. Tony permalink
    September 16, 2019 10:10 am

  226. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2019 10:27 am

    Of course, if you say something that’s only funny cos, you know, it’s racist/sexist/ righist, then people have the right to call you out for being a dickhead too 😉 Free Speech and all that

    Ricky Gervais is a legend
    I really liked his recent series about the guy who wanted to commit suicide. He knows how to skate the edge

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 16, 2019 6:41 pm

    I’m on the coast in northern NSW, it’s very pleasant too.

    … however, I’m just watching the news, and it really is annoying that regional people complain so much about the price of things like airfares. I haven’t heard them complain that the cost of their housing in about half as much as we pay in capital cities.

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2019 10:17 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/17/australian-ceo-bonuses-at-near-record-highs-despite-royal-commission

    There’s only one class war – the fucking rich and the fucking rest of us!

    No-one … but no-one … is worth $23+ million a year!

    CEO’s annual income needs to be seriously looked at … as for bumper profits shareholders and wage earners should share them EQUALLY!

  229. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2019 10:18 am

    Jazz Hands!

  230. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2019 1:49 pm

    That’s quite mesmerizing Tony. For something that looked so good, that girl in the front worked hard 😉

    Meanwhile, seems Labor might have some spine after all

    Robodebt class action lawsuit to be brought against Federal Government

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-17/robodebt-centrelink-class-action-lawsuit-announced/11520338

  231. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 17, 2019 2:54 pm

    I thought Robodebt was started by the ALP. So what is the problem?

  232. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2019 3:19 pm

    Not sure about tomatoes in fried rice, but these kids will never starve if their mum has to work late.

  233. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2019 3:24 pm

    I thought Robodebt was started by the ALP

    Yes, but that’s because you are a fucking idiot nil

  234. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 17, 2019 3:26 pm

    So what is the problem? So labor started it but the Coalition introduced less oversight? Is that right?

  235. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2019 3:28 pm

    Apparently this person’s singing voice was Contralto.

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