John Setka shafted by Labor!

Such a marvellous asset to the ALP, how could the do this???

…blame Murdoch

Keating nails it

The Daily Telegraph is furious at being misled. The public should be furious too. The answer is in the government’s hands

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/25/angus-taylor-the-doctored-documents-mystery-will-weaken-trust-in-politicians-and-journalism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

You know, if the terrorgraph had done it’s due diligence (or even listened to Clover Moore, who advised them it was rubbish), they didn’t need to be ‘furious’

Good to see Labor doing what most journos are afraid of (with reason) and passing it through to the cops. Wonder if the AFP and whiteboards will be mobilized?

And I wonder if straws are being passed around the office to see who the fall guy will be

but I’m finding that keeping up with all the lies, deceit, personal attacks, obfuscation and cheating, from the right wing of politics around the world, is getting really difficult to keep up with

TB

Misleading and deceiving people is a characteristic of the left. If you cannot see that you are totally deluded

Here’s another example of questionable outrage from the politically correct class

It’s a cartoon!!

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/leunig-cartoon-criticising-mother-use-of-instagram-sparks-debate/11634522?pfmredir=sm

Shadow Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus has called on New South Wales Police to investigate an allegedly forged document, which Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor used in a political attack against Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-25/prime-minister-rules-out-referring-taylor-incident-to-police/11638776

Queue the calls from our assembled media for Labor making this political.

Good on them though.

Really TB , you posted a comment or a quote that said 52 weeks is a standard. I’m interested to know which standard it is.

But typically you react with your usual ducking it.

And it you do a search on, say “major factors contributing to labour productivity”… guess what you’ll find ! But of course, your experience provides far more insight that nonsense like research.

Do you know what “a standard” is?

Do you know what “context” is?

I think you’ve over egged it

“to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields”

Considering the laws currently make what these pariahs do illegal, then socializing them may be a tad overreach

Of course, correctly applying those laws would go a long way to stamping the behaviour out, but that’s a governance issue, not a policy one.

Much of the failures in today’s market is a governance one, where the grubmint prefer laissez faire for corporates, as opposed to ‘big stick’ thrashings to social security recipients and Union members.

Class warfare writ large

yep, reduce taxes for corporations and billionaires, then ………….

From the link TB

And we still don’t know exactly why it has happened.

yea, right 😉

apparently its “complex” … only if you want it to be, or really don’t get it …

If only TB was Treasurer, because he “gets” how simple the economy is

“What explains the continuing ‘explosion’?”

I guess govt spending decisions locked in. Swan increased govt spending by a whopping 12.7% in 2008 and it has never been wound back

economics medicine – apparently its “complex” … only if you want it to be, or really don’t get it …

Dr TB – “you are a bit sick. therefore I suggest you take some white pills. Most sick people take some white pills and they usually become well…”

“”””You can only achieve that by creating proper FULL TIME and STABLE jobs that PAY GOOD SALARIES””””

Unemployment is now at 5.3%. That is lower than anytime under Hawke/Keating. It was at 11% when keating became PM. Times are tough but they always are. But we have no bullets left to spend when the next GFC hits because Swan used them all during the least one

*For Your Edification

I’m grateful for that TB, but I think you’ve confused “rant” with “economics”

As for “voter moronism”, I really admire elitists who know so much more than everyone else

Why not reduce the number of public servants

Because ‘public servants’ run the fucken cuntry

We already have too few to do the job required, and outsourcing it just removes knowledge and responsibility, and costs more in the long run.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/23/privatisation-has-failed-we-need-a-moratorium-on-all-new-proposals

https://theconversation.com/people-have-lost-faith-in-privatisation-and-its-easy-to-see-why-63198

Thanks ETU!!

The ETU today published a full page advert with the contact details of 3 senators – they suggest we contact them about the Ensuring Integrity Bill.

So that’s what I’ve done!!

So that means nobody runs the country then! It shows …

Yes, the public service is full of time servers and clock watchers.

As for nurses, they remain in short supply. Governments have filled health and hospitals with bureaucrats. Those that provide a service to actual patients are relegated to the backbreaking and busy work.
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Does anyone seriously think the service to the public would be effected if the least efficient 10%-15% of public servants were given the heave ho ?

Yes, the public service is full of contractors and “consultants”

Governments have filled health and hospitals with contractors and “consultants”

and pigs with nazis!

This is the type of uninformed nonsense that media just regurgitates-

Australia’s aviation engineering union has called on Qantas to ground its entire Boeing 737 fleet after a crack was discovered on a second aircraft overnight.

The ALAEA is one of 8 or 9 unions with coverage of Engineering & Maintenance in Qantas. It is probably about 3rd or 4th in terms of size.

It shares coverage, with other unions, of what most people would regard as leading hands and some advanced trades.

Another union has coverage of what is generally regarded as “professional engineers”

The airline industry is a little old fashioned, in that it uses the term “engineer” in place of “tradesperson”

The ABC has (as usual) given the ALAEA a status it really doesn’t deserve.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-31/cracks-discovered-on-second-qantas-boeing-737/11657146

No, it’s just the way most people understand the use of words that relate to occupations.

The ALAEA is a small union in coverage of Qantas, but people misunderstand the term “engineer”

They have a base trade, then in house and on the job training that relates to aircraft systems.

Most people assume “engineers” have an “engineering” qualification – but this terminology doesn’t apply in the Australian aircraft industry.

In the USA, for example, the same qualification is called – “mechanic”

I think that puts the union coverage in the right context.

Bizarre and completely ignorant. Which is ne

You might try checking the CASA site.

Fuckwit

Wow……………………..another has come to their senses………

“There is a culture developing in the progressive movement where membership is granted with a box of ideas. And if you don’t accept one of the ideas in the box, you do not merely have a different opinion, you are ­obviously wrong, probably stupid and possibly subhuman …”
“Not everyone with a concern about the immigration rate is a bigot. Not everyone with a hesitation about changing gender roles is sexist. Not every social change is inarguably a good one.”

ALP front bencher Clare O’Neil

Ooops posted twice

What do you mean by “systems”?

Google it,because the other participant in the discussion has no idea.

however, they have a long and respected history of keeping aeroplanes in the air!

BINGO!

fyi yomm, my title is ‘engineer’, but I can tell you, I’m not an Engineer.

Most European fitters are ‘Engineers”.

And, that is really just ignorance on yor behalf, and shaming of professionals with a high level of qualification, and knowledge, and, as TB pointed out for the dumber one (yes, YOU) a high level of achievement.

Professionals in the field telling management (ie, anyone who spends their time backstabbing instead of producing) that their decision is reckless should be listened to, not dismissed because you think they are just ‘grease monkeys’

Stop it with yor ‘casual isms’ and address their concerns, because, to this point, you have done nothing but slander workers whose record alone should mean that their advise should be taken seriously

LAMES are part of the engineering & maintenance structure of an airline, they are not the be all and end all. It is the entire engineering system that keeps aircraft in the air, not a single specific occupation.

The LAMES are part of the system – they are not the system
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There are 5 aircraft systems, engine, airframe, electrical, radio, instrument, but modern aircraft have integrated the latter 3 into “avionics”

So the no nothing FUCKWIT proves… he’s a no nothing FUCKWIT

There are lots of Engineers with post graduate qualifications in aircraft systems, and many started their careers as LAMES, that are far better qualified than LAMES to determine aircraft safety.

LAMES are responsible for performing and confirming that the work is carried out in accordance with safety regulation. They aren’t the be all and end all, even though they seek to present this as the public image, and yesterday the ABC fell for the line.

But later the ABC report deleted the ALAEA propaganda

I think you mean “know nothing”

You’re right, and I’m happy to be corrected, because it allows me to say – he’s know nothing FUCKWIT

…and did I mention illiterate and incoherent?
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The union with coverage is APESMA

They are the ones that actually determine the standard of maintenance work to be carried out. The LAMES carry out the work in accordance with those instructions and procedures.

And generally all levels of certification of airworthiness carry out the work diligently. The system of certification in Australia is probably the best in the world, and it is the entire system – not just the function of a single group/classification.

The Qantas engineering and maintenance system is regarded as about the best in the world and has a better reputation that the OEMs.

The union with coverage is APESMA

They are the ones that actually determine the standard of maintenance work to be carried out.

APESMA is called Professionals Australia, and is aimed at IT workers, I know, I toyed with them years ago. Calling them a Union is a misnomer. They are a networking company that came across more as a datamining operation than anything involved in looking after workers.

Calling them a Union is a misnomer.

I don’t know why that is. They are registered as a union, they are respondent to many awards, they participate in collective bargaining.

Many of their members are covered by a classification structure that integrates with a trades and technical structure.

In Qantas they are part of the bargaining process.

What is it that doesn’t allow them to qualify as a union – is it because they aren’t affiliated with the ALP?

What is it that doesn’t allow them to qualify as a union

I didn’t say that though, did I

What is it that doesn’t allow grease monkeys to qualify as …….. qualified?

And I haven’t talked about grease monkeys

racist</strike? professionalist? ME?

If only the building industries “professional engineers” had them

“You have no idea what you think you are “experiencing” …….””

Oh I’m quite content to see the ALP move more and more to the Left.

Believe me I really am.

Yes, and the ALAEA is critical of Qantas for maintaining a fleet of that age. It’s a great pity that Qantas isn’t more like Aeroflot.

The ALAEA overlooks this-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/safest-airlines-2019-qantas-flights-airlineratings-flybe-air-new-zealand-a8711101.html%3famp

Qantas the world’s safest airline

Yes, unions have really screwed up the customer service of Qantas

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Well… I use to fly Aust to London in FIRST class, and that was quite comfortable.

The first time the cabin crew brought out a huge crystal dish of caviar in dry ice, it was quite spectacular!

You can get used to that kind of thing.

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And did I mention illiterate & unintelligent ?

(Most assuredly, the (product) quality engineers have been busy; crunching (on) the, erm. stats.)

I think all up salaries (ie inclusive of payment for all hours) are dangerous for companies, and it is a particularly foolish corporate strategy.

So is relying on an expired agreement, or other mechanisms that provide lower pay than the relevant award.

The only employees that should be paid all up salaries are senior managers.

TB, if a company deliberately and wilfully underpays employees, and this is proven to the criminal standard, I don’t have problem with a criminal conviction.

WARNING!
Incoherent FUCKWIT above