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John Setka shafted by Labor!

October 23, 2019
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John Setka strolling the streets of Melbourne with what appears to be an inflatable marital aid.

John Setka, “colourful” secretary of Victoria’s Construction Forestry Maritime Mining and Energy Union (CFMMEU), has been formally booted from the Labor party.

The move came after Setka withdrew his legal challenge against the Labor Party’s decision to expel him.

Back at the end of August, Victoria’s Supreme Court denied Mr Setka’s request for an injunction to stop the expulsion.

Speaking in Canberra earlier today, Opposition leader Anthony ‘Albo’ Albanese announced the union boss had dropped any further legal action, which paved the way for the party to give him the heave.

“Today John Setka has withdrawn his appeal to that decision and John Setka has now been removed as a member of the Australian Labor Party,” the Opposition Leader said.

Until now, Setka had defied calls for him to stand down from the Union, arguing only his members could remove him from the post.

His case has split the labour movement, with many unions backing him while others called him a…

 

 

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  1. October 23, 2019 3:02 pm

    I think he’s just misunderstood, tbh.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    October 23, 2019 3:54 pm

    Bugger, I just popped in to see the private school gloating and giggling show …

    … must be at the local wine bar (or Airport Lounge?) celebrating …

    Giving thanks* at church, maybe?

    * I the plate’s empty … 🙂

  3. Tom R permalink
    October 23, 2019 3:57 pm

    I think he’s just misunderstood, tbh.

    I think he’s just another victim of the ongoing war against Unions and a fair days pay, and a victim of Labors capitulation to political expediency.

    Gutless fucks!

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 23, 2019 4:21 pm

    Such a marvellous asset to the ALP, how could the do this???

    …blame Murdoch

  5. Tom R permalink
    October 23, 2019 4:24 pm

    …blame Murdoch

    Well, his papers did salaciously leak information, which should have been behind closed doors considering its nature, implying all kinds of things, when it turned out to be a domestic with his wife (which they constantly forget to inform readers about)

  6. October 24, 2019 8:48 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  7. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2019 8:54 am

    Is our Prime Minister a nutter?

    talks in tongues to an imaginary sky faerie

    tries to get a pedophile defender to meet a serial philanderer, then lies about it.

    spends his free times with terrorists who think the Democrats run some kind of pedophile ring (when his own liberals literally DEFENDED a CONVICTED pedophile ffs (yes, it hasn’t escaped my attention that this in a thread where these same liberals are stitching up a guy for having a domestic dispute, brought on largely by the liberals own actions against him and his family))

    You decide!

  8. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2019 9:24 am

    Keating nails it

  9. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2019 9:27 am

    Well, quite obviously, lies are in, considering how the libs and palmer kept playing the ‘death tax’ bullshit all through the campaign here

    Facebook is an abomination, and, quite frankly, a threat to democracy

  10. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2019 9:00 am

    The Daily Telegraph is furious at being misled. The public should be furious too. The answer is in the government’s hands

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/25/angus-taylor-the-doctored-documents-mystery-will-weaken-trust-in-politicians-and-journalism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    You know, if the terrorgraph had done it’s due diligence (or even listened to Clover Moore, who advised them it was rubbish), they didn’t need to be ‘furious’

    Good to see Labor doing what most journos are afraid of (with reason) and passing it through to the cops. Wonder if the AFP and whiteboards will be mobilized?

    And I wonder if straws are being passed around the office to see who the fall guy will be

  11. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2019 9:23 am

    Another stitch up fails

    ‘Insufficient evidence’: AFP drops investigation into John Setka

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/insufficient-evidence-afp-drops-investigation-into-john-setka-20191024-p533z3.html

    And if albo wasn’t such a spineless toad ………

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2019 10:11 am

    And I wonder if straws are being passed around the office to see who the fall guy will be

    Don’t know about you, TR, but I’m finding that keeping up with all the lies, deceit, personal attacks, obfuscation and cheating, from the right wing of politics around the world, is getting really difficult to keep up with …

    Perhaps that’s the strategy?

    As for the Happy Clappy Preacher Man & Disciples they are “considering” a drought assistance package … then they’ll form a committee to investigate if there is a drought and people need help, there will have to be a report, that will be shelved for a few months, and then they will need to form a commission and develop a “policy” … and then help out the banks who will have lost $billions in lost mortgages as the economy finally collapses …

    Economic managers my arse!

    At least Nero made a decision!

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2019 10:50 am

    “the right wing of politics around the world…”

    Did you happen to see this about one of the leading lights of the left??

    Is it incompetence, dishonesty or both? Either way it’s absolutely hilarious?

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/books-magazines/books/naomi-wolf-book-pulled-by-us-publisher-after-error-discovered/news-story/9baedab7aad47a806af196274a7ac903

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 25, 2019 12:03 pm

    but I’m finding that keeping up with all the lies, deceit, personal attacks, obfuscation and cheating, from the right wing of politics around the world, is getting really difficult to keep up with

    TB

    Misleading and deceiving people is a characteristic of the left. If you cannot see that you are totally deluded

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2019 12:17 pm

    The left (eg Naomi Wolf) are in such a hurry to find a new reason to be outraged, they don’t bother with basic research, such as checking a definition

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2019 12:21 pm

    Here’s another example of questionable outrage from the politically correct class

    It’s a cartoon!!

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/leunig-cartoon-criticising-mother-use-of-instagram-sparks-debate/11634522?pfmredir=sm

  17. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2019 1:15 pm

    Is our Prime Minister a nutter? ….meh

    The government and its business and media mates are determined to damage superannuation ….meh

    Facebook admits it lies (for conservatives only it seems) which influences election outcomes ….meh

    A senior government minister sends a doctored document to a media outlet to try and bring disrepute to a political opponent ….meh

    Another stitch up falls flat on a Union official ….meh

    But some lefty somewhere got a fact wrong ……OUTRAGE!

    https://i.chzbgr.com/full/2340781824/h4A6845B6/

  18. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2019 1:20 pm

    Shadow Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus has called on New South Wales Police to investigate an allegedly forged document, which Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor used in a political attack against Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-25/prime-minister-rules-out-referring-taylor-incident-to-police/11638776

    Queue the calls from our assembled media for Labor making this political.

    Good on them though.

  19. Tony permalink
    October 25, 2019 3:14 pm

    “Queue the calls from our assembled media”

    I think you mean ‘cue’. 🤣

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2019 4:07 pm

    Pacific Magazines insists it’s a coincidence but staff are not happy they signed a new workplace agreement earlier this month which significantly reduced their redundancy entitlements only to discover days later the company was being sold to Bauer Media. Redundancies are, of course, inevitable when Bauer overtakes Pacific and the two magazine companies are merged.

    The new agreement reduced staff’s maximum redundancy pay from the standard 52 weeks to 18.

    At a staff meeting after the announcement, management was asked how much they knew about the takeover when the new agreement was drafted. Pacific insisted they had no idea; staff muttered “bullshit” under their breaths.

    According to the new agreement lodged with Fair Work, a staffer who has 10 years employment can now get a maximum of 18 weeks, which is 12 weeks plus an additional six “if their position is terminated on the grounds of redundancy”.

    Seven West Media, owners of Pacific Magazines, declined to comment.
    Press club feud

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2019 4:10 pm

    Here’s another example of questionable outrage from the politically correct class

    I agree with, leunig … see it every day … and it applies to both parents …

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2019 4:11 pm

    Did you happen to see this about one of the leading lights of the left??

    There ARE no leading lights of the left … anywhere!

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2019 4:37 pm

    Just as a matter of interest TB, who is the authority that says 52 weeks is ‘the standard”?

  24. Tony permalink
    October 25, 2019 6:43 pm

    “who is the authority”

    The left’s newspaper of record, of course, The Grauniad.😂

  25. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2019 10:32 pm

    Why does this matter? Because Australia confronts the lessons of an election campaign that turned, in part, on an avalanche of private money that surprised many with its speed and scale. Palmer knew what he wanted to buy. He also knew that nobody could stop him.

    Two laws made this possible. Both should be under review in the parliamentary inquiry into the election by the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters. Unfortunately, nobody should hold their breath for change.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/democracy-for-sale-what-did-clive-palmer-get-for-his-50m-plus-20191024-p533vv.html

    Queue Cue the ‘sore losers’ brigade.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2019 10:39 pm

    Just as a matter of interest ToM, who is the authority that says 18 weeks is ‘the standard”?

    And why was it changed surreptitiously?*

    How to kill productivity …

    Deliberately “missed” the point again …

    The French aristocracy did that in 1789 …

    be careful what you create … mon ami!

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2019 11:12 pm

    And what is Australia’s analysing, committeeing, reporting, studying, reviewing, waiting for LNP governmnet doing? SFA! Living in the 1960’s … still

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/24/offshore-windfarms-can-provide-more-electricity-than-the-world-needs

    BTW … mining employees can do most infrastructure work involving renewable energy … and are remarkably capable of learning and up-skilling … digging out coal isn’t done with a pick and shovel anymore!

    I have that on good authority!

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2019 2:53 pm

    Really TB , you posted a comment or a quote that said 52 weeks is a standard. I’m interested to know which standard it is.

    But typically you react with your usual ducking it.

    And it you do a search on, say “major factors contributing to labour productivity”… guess what you’ll find ! But of course, your experience provides far more insight that nonsense like research.

  29. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2019 6:04 pm

    If you had read the story yomm, it was implied it was their previous agreement.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2019 7:55 pm

    Do you know what “a standard” is?

  31. ivi permalink
    October 27, 2019 4:51 am

    (Do you know what “a standard” is?

    Meh; something(s) one walks past?)

  32. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2019 11:27 am

    Do you know what “context” is?

  33. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2019 11:30 am


    Jobactive workers speak out: ‘How the hell did I end up doing this to these people?'</i?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/24/jobactive-workers-speak-out-how-the-hell-did-i-end-up-doing-this-to-these-people?CMP=share_btn_tw

  34. October 27, 2019 4:12 pm

    Hang on, I thought the Liberal party were all about letting the free market decide…

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-27/government-unveils-details-of-first-home-buyers-scheme/11644018

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2019 9:09 pm

    You’re absolutely correct!

    And by the way when the ALP platform says – “The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields”.… why hasn’t the ALP been out there promising to socialise 7 Eleven, George Calombaris’ restaurants, Donut King and some banks?

    I think they’ve wimped it

  36. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2019 8:35 am

    I think you’ve over egged it

    “to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields”

    Considering the laws currently make what these pariahs do illegal, then socializing them may be a tad overreach

    Of course, correctly applying those laws would go a long way to stamping the behaviour out, but that’s a governance issue, not a policy one.

    Much of the failures in today’s market is a governance one, where the grubmint prefer laissez faire for corporates, as opposed to ‘big stick’ thrashings to social security recipients and Union members.

    Class warfare writ large

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2019 9:21 am

    I heard Pat Dodson criticising Morrison for not attending the closure of the Uluru trail.

    I’m sure Albanese was there…. ??? No

  38. October 28, 2019 9:54 am

    Is Albanese the PM….?

  39. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2019 9:59 am

    In reality, not showing up to something like that is small cheese, The bigger news should have been scumo replacing the welcome to country with some militaristic bombardistry

    Among many other things, like dwindling jobs, dwindling earnings, dwindling environmental attention, dwindling responsibility of his ministers, who spend their days playing petty politics with lies and illegal means, and getting away with it

  40. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2019 11:18 am

    yep, reduce taxes for corporations and billionaires, then ………….

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2019 11:25 am

    Thank goodness we have the best “economic managers” in charge … since 2013? Check out the chart …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/wages-growth-in-australia-the-truth-about-this-viral-graph/news-story/d75327cfb07c8a961b3688873397bb17

  42. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2019 11:33 am

    From the link TB

    And we still don’t know exactly why it has happened.

    yea, right 😉

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2019 1:13 pm

    yea, right 😉

    Murphy writes “apologetic” articles (for the happy Clappy Churchgoers)… the twist is usually near the end … a bit like Hildebrand tries to appear unbiased – until you get near the end of the article …

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2019 1:17 pm

    TR, Murphy got one thing right … they don’t how an economy works … apparently its “complex” … only if you want it to be, or really don’t get it …

    “Where the bloody hell are ya?” Yea, nah they really don’t get it …

    Markets are doin’ well … just like they were in 2008 … as you said earlier

    Here we go, here we go, here we go … wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2019 1:28 pm

    We should have been getting out of govt debt however govt debt has exploded since 2007. It just means when the next recession hits and it will, we have no bullets to spend because Swan spent them all during the last GFC

    Govt debt was MINUS $40B in 2007 ie less than zero. It is now at plus $370B and increase of approx. $400B since 2007 with nothing to show for it. We could have built 5 of Labors Rolls Royce FTTP=NBNs with that money

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2019 2:24 pm

    apparently its “complex” … only if you want it to be, or really don’t get it …

    If only TB was Treasurer, because he “gets” how simple the economy is

  47. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2019 3:34 pm

    Swan spent them all during the last GFC

    What explains the continuing ‘explosion’?

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2019 3:49 pm

    “What explains the continuing ‘explosion’?”

    I guess govt spending decisions locked in. Swan increased govt spending by a whopping 12.7% in 2008 and it has never been wound back

  49. October 28, 2019 7:16 pm

    Seems to me, albo has just lost the fedvote due in 116 weeks. Selling out setka will not go down well with the mighty cmfu2 members. They don`t sponsor team dishwater to dictate cmfu2 in-house options `at` them. Wonder if da-greenz or indyz get cmfu2 backing next fedvote?

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2019 7:19 pm

    If only TB was Treasurer, because he “gets” how simple the economy is

    Unfortunately you’ll never know … like most things discussed here …

  51. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    October 28, 2019 7:21 pm

    (Wear are my dree maz? .. Hoo nose whata-Red-Tape” is?

    something(s) one walks past? .. Kood Bee

    Or iz it something fools demand kutting?)

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2019 8:03 pm

    economics medicine – apparently its “complex” … only if you want it to be, or really don’t get it …

    Dr TB – “you are a bit sick. therefore I suggest you take some white pills. Most sick people take some white pills and they usually become well…”

  53. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    October 28, 2019 11:57 pm

    After all the Leftish anti-ronald bleating that is still trying to get hilary over the line ; did everybody enjoy last nights episode of theRonald show. Legacy FakeNews outlets were invited to the whitehouse and hear deathCult destruction tails, in a most modest of formats. (-:

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2019 11:45 am

    Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2019 8:03 pm

    I know who needs a quack! (From economics to medicine in one giant leap?)

    FYE* – I’m not the only one who thinks there is a better approach to the “economy” – here’s a novel approach …

    Alpo88
    3h ago
    9 10

    “Right now the cash rate is 0.75%. According to standard economic theory the lowest it can go is 0%, but negative interest rates just ignore that and set a rate where the RBA is effectively paying banks to borrow money.”….

    Meaning that under negative interest rates even more money goes to the banks, whereas normal people will still need to pay some kind of interest rate if they borrow money from the bank, even though such interest rate may decline further.

    For how long are we continuing to use such stupid monetary policies?…. Don’t the Neoliberal masters of this country understand that the only thing that can reactivate this economy is money (far more money) in the pockets of low- and middle-income Australians? You can only achieve that by creating proper FULL TIME and STABLE jobs that PAY GOOD SALARIES and provide GOOD SUPERANNUATION and other ENTITLEMENTS!!

    How hard is that to understand?…. Too hard?…. Then vote LABOR at the next opportunity: Queensland State election…. and kick this Neoliberal mob out in two-and-a-bit years time.

    Gees, will one day Australia get rid of Voter Moronism?…. Let’s hope…. and pray….

    *For Your Edification

  55. Tony permalink
    October 29, 2019 12:02 pm

    Gees, will one day Australia get rid of Voter Moronism?…. Let’s hope…. and pray….

    The Solution, by Bertolt Brecht

    After the uprising of the 17th of June
    The Secretary of the Writers’ Union
    Had leaflets distributed on the Stalinallee
    Stating that the people
    Had forfeited the confidence of the government
    And could only win it back
    By increased work quotas. Would it not in that case be simpler
    for the government
    To dissolve the people
    And elect another?

    Stoopid voters!

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 29, 2019 12:31 pm

    “”””You can only achieve that by creating proper FULL TIME and STABLE jobs that PAY GOOD SALARIES””””

    Unemployment is now at 5.3%. That is lower than anytime under Hawke/Keating. It was at 11% when keating became PM. Times are tough but they always are. But we have no bullets left to spend when the next GFC hits because Swan used them all during the least one

  57. ivi permalink
    October 29, 2019 1:38 pm

    (Stoopid voters!

    Eh?)

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2019 3:12 pm

    *For Your Edification

    I’m grateful for that TB, but I think you’ve confused “rant” with “economics”

    As for “voter moronism”, I really admire elitists who know so much more than everyone else

  59. October 29, 2019 5:11 pm

    Often reality deniers resort to terms like Viewer Moronism; Voter Moronism; (dud-leader)Polls are Wrong; and 24-7 NewsCycle when they want to delegate blame elsewhere for their own stupidity. We all remember the worldwide riots by citizens demanding Legacy outlets drown them in a deluge of 24-7 bullshit, right? When folks start blaming Voter Moronism for results that differ from your team or topic(repug) desires, you are really just giving the goblins a club to whack you with teebz.

  60. Tony permalink
    October 29, 2019 6:21 pm

    Labor will definitely create more jobs if they ever regain office. And they’ll be “FULL TIME and STABLE jobs that PAY GOOD SALARIES and provide GOOD SUPERANNUATION and other ENTITLEMENTS!!” Trouble is they won’t be in the private sector. They’ll be public service jobs paid for by the hapless taxpayer.

    Here’s an idea: Why not reduce the number of public servants and put “money (far more money) in the pockets of low- and middle-income Australians” by cutting their income tax.

    Oh, wait …

  61. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    October 29, 2019 7:02 pm

    Both are wrong`osy .. the dishwaters won`t be able to create any jobs, just as zombies aren`t .. and neither will stripping more tax from treasury create jobs .. the porkbarrel Waste as shown in the centerlink system (above) .. will still keep eroding the economy .. these centerlink scams are a bit like a teabag owned tax office .. citizens are forced under threat of losing pissy dole to generate service fees for teabag donors .. or else lose dole. This is just another wreckage baby primates will inherit.

  62. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2019 8:19 am

    Why not reduce the number of public servants

    Because ‘public servants’ run the fucken cuntry

    We already have too few to do the job required, and outsourcing it just removes knowledge and responsibility, and costs more in the long run.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/23/privatisation-has-failed-we-need-a-moratorium-on-all-new-proposals

    https://theconversation.com/people-have-lost-faith-in-privatisation-and-its-easy-to-see-why-63198

  63. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2019 8:26 am

    I see some violent thug (wonder if she’s also a Union member bikie wannabe?) took out her aggressions on a poor defenseless baton in Melbourne yesterday.

    Yea, looks like ‘some’ public servants need to be removed! our cops have become very getapo like lately (when it’s not actual Nazis they are facing anyway)

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2019 9:15 am

    Thanks ETU!!

    The ETU today published a full page advert with the contact details of 3 senators – they suggest we contact them about the Ensuring Integrity Bill.

    So that’s what I’ve done!!

  65. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2019 10:17 am

    Perhaps Labor is not so lost after all

    Mr Albanese on Tuesday flagged a new debate on portable entitlements including super and holiday pay for workers in the gig economy.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/29/anthony-albanese-portable-entitlements-gig-economy/

  66. Tony permalink
    October 30, 2019 10:39 am

    Because ‘public servants’ run the fucken cuntry

    They run the bureaucracy. Big difference.

  67. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2019 10:48 am

    Nurses are ‘public servants (as are pigs)

    But, also, let’s not forget, ‘bureaucracy’ runs the country too.

    These are the people who SHOULD be checking that our buildings are safe, and that companies are adhering to the rules so that business can compete on an even basis.

    They also perform those socialist things like making sure roads are built and maintained, and public transport is available to the masses who make profits possible for the big corporations, who all leech off the infrastructure, but return little or nothing to it.

    Without ‘bureaucracy’, we’d have anarchy.

    We almost have it now, but that’s because ‘bureaucracy’ has been outsourced to the leeches

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2019 10:48 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/30/woolworths-underpaid-thousands-of-staff-by-up-to-300m

    Lock ’em Up!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why not reduce the number of public servants and put “money (far more money) in the pockets of low- and middle-income Australians”

    Because public servants also get paid and pay taxes too … you do understand the concept of robbing Peter to pay Paul? Nah! Silly question …

    They run the bureaucracy. Big difference.

    So that means nobody runs the country then! It shows …

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2019 10:50 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/30/woolworths-underpaid-thousands-of-staff-by-up-to-300m

    Lock ’em Up!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why not reduce the number of public servants and put “money (far more money) in the pockets of low- and middle-income Australians”

    Because public servants also get paid and pay taxes too … you do understand the concept of robbing Peter to pay Paul? Nah! Silly question …

    They run the bureaucracy. Big difference.

    So that means nobody runs the country then! It shows …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So that’s what I’ve done!!

    What a clever boy … such a bright lad …

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2019 12:34 pm

    So that means nobody runs the country then! It shows …

    Yes, the public service is full of time servers and clock watchers.

    As for nurses, they remain in short supply. Governments have filled health and hospitals with bureaucrats. Those that provide a service to actual patients are relegated to the backbreaking and busy work.
    —————-
    Does anyone seriously think the service to the public would be effected if the least efficient 10%-15% of public servants were given the heave ho ?

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2019 12:42 pm

    I suppose we can take the minister’s word for it!

    Police Minister Lisa Neville has stridently defended the force’s handling of climate change activists who have accused officers of using excessive violence to break up their protests in the CBD.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/minister-says-police-used-reasonable-force-to-handle-mining-protest-20191030-p535nv.html

  72. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2019 1:16 pm

    Yes, the public service is full of contractors and “consultants”

    Governments have filled health and hospitals with contractors and “consultants”

    and pigs with nazis!

  73. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    October 30, 2019 4:29 pm

    I saw albo waffling on telly last night teamcheerer. lt looks like under albo the team will be remaining teabag-lite. All his waffling in support of uberized-gig economy; which is just workhouse serfdom with a bit of fancy tech slapped on the front end; won`t get his team selected next fedvote.

  74. October 30, 2019 5:44 pm

    The Fair Work Ombudsman has issued a scathing rebuke of Woolworths after it was revealed the supermarket giant underpaid thousands of staffers by as much as $300 million.

    Woolworths has been underpaying staff for up to nine years.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/woolworths-supermarket-staff-underpaying-workers-national-news/f134aa62-4eb3-4363-b8b4-78035c9f24d7

    disturbing number of large corporates publicly admitting that they have underpaid

    Salaried staff are not ‘Award free’ and their salary must exceed what they would have been paid if they were working under the award.

    @-another dose of systematic wage Theft to keep sapping the economy.

  75. Tom R permalink
    October 31, 2019 8:28 am

    support of uberized-gig economy

    support?

  76. Tony permalink
    October 31, 2019 11:00 am

    Woolworths shares are up 1% in early trading.

  77. Tom R permalink
    October 31, 2019 2:04 pm

    Conspiracies RUS

    “Ritual sexual abuse”? This was not a phrase used by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse — yet it had made its way the PM’s historic address to the nation.

    https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/10/31/scott-morrison-qanon/

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2019 3:12 pm

    This is the type of uninformed nonsense that media just regurgitates-

    Australia’s aviation engineering union has called on Qantas to ground its entire Boeing 737 fleet after a crack was discovered on a second aircraft overnight.

    The ALAEA is one of 8 or 9 unions with coverage of Engineering & Maintenance in Qantas. It is probably about 3rd or 4th in terms of size.

    It shares coverage, with other unions, of what most people would regard as leading hands and some advanced trades.

    Another union has coverage of what is generally regarded as “professional engineers”

    The airline industry is a little old fashioned, in that it uses the term “engineer” in place of “tradesperson”

    The ABC has (as usual) given the ALAEA a status it really doesn’t deserve.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-31/cracks-discovered-on-second-qantas-boeing-737/11657146

  79. Tom R permalink
    October 31, 2019 3:41 pm

    “professional engineers”

    yomm engages in a round of ‘casual racism professional-ism’

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2019 4:30 pm

    No, it’s just the way most people understand the use of words that relate to occupations.

    The ALAEA is a small union in coverage of Qantas, but people misunderstand the term “engineer”

    They have a base trade, then in house and on the job training that relates to aircraft systems.

    Most people assume “engineers” have an “engineering” qualification – but this terminology doesn’t apply in the Australian aircraft industry.

    In the USA, for example, the same qualification is called – “mechanic”

    I think that puts the union coverage in the right context.

  81. October 31, 2019 4:52 pm

    The dumbfcuk has landed at October 31, 2019 3:12 pm on the kooyong airfield.

    Ya might want to find out what L.A.M.E Engine means, perhaps googl will help, go back to my abc and read what ALAEA is. Fool.

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2019 4:58 pm

    Bizarre and completely ignorant. Which is ne

    You might try checking the CASA site.

    Fuckwit

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2019 5:06 pm

    And it’s interesting to note that the ABC has now edited the article, deleting the inaccurate “Australia’s aviation union” part.

  84. Walrus permalink
    October 31, 2019 5:09 pm

    Wow……………………..another has come to their senses………

    “There is a culture developing in the progressive movement where membership is granted with a box of ideas. And if you don’t accept one of the ideas in the box, you do not merely have a different opinion, you are ­obviously wrong, probably stupid and possibly subhuman …”
    “Not everyone with a concern about the immigration rate is a bigot. Not everyone with a hesitation about changing gender roles is sexist. Not every social change is inarguably a good one.”

    ALP front bencher Clare O’Neil

  85. Walrus permalink
    October 31, 2019 5:25 pm

    “Not everyone with a concern about the immigration rate is a bigot. Not everyone with a hesitation about changing gender roles is sexist. Not every social change is inarguably a good one.”

    ALP front bencher Clare O’Neil

  86. Walrus permalink
    October 31, 2019 5:26 pm

    Ooops posted twice

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2019 5:41 pm

    It’s hilarious when a complete FUCKWIT posts comments about a subject in complete ignorance

    Hey FUCKWIT, how many aircraft systems are there?

  88. October 31, 2019 6:08 pm

    Most people assume “managers” have a “managing” qualification ; but this terminology doesn`t apply in the Australian mid-manage brown-nose industry.

    In the USA, for example, in the 1970s, ntsb/faa recommended fortifying cockpits to prevent intrusion; while airline mid-manage brown-noses bleated to congress red-tape and gold plated cockpits. l`m sure fdny and nypd thank them.

    I think that puts the yomm`s coverage in the right context.

    Shhhh, don`t mention hawian-air.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2019 6:19 pm

    Yep. The FUCKWIT knows nothing.

    How unsurprising

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2019 7:39 pm

    They have a base trade, then in house and on the job training that relates to aircraft systems.

    Unusually I agree with you re terminology … however, they have a long and respected history of keeping aeroplanes in the air!

    And secondly – can you service your own car? Can you change a wheel? Can you change the oil? Or battery?

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2019 7:40 pm

    And BTW never relate US “mechanics” to Australian mechanics … their trade structure is quite different …

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2019 7:43 pm

    yomm engages in a round of ‘casual racism professional-ism’

    You sound surprised, TR? … modus operandi … I’m beginning to think he’s a digital troll … 🙂

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2019 7:44 pm

    Wow……………………..another has come to their senses………

    You have no idea what you think you are “experiencing” … chuckle …

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2019 7:50 pm

    Yes, the public service is full of time servers and clock watchers.

    Who didn’t let the rivers run dry and monitored the red tape … paid taxes and provided loyal service to your crown …

    Nurses have always been in short supply because of LNP funding cuts to Unis … doctors are in short supply because the doctors union AMA restrict the numbers of places for doctors in unis – funding again …

    BS around your own BBQ or invite someone who has an alternative opinion to your Liberal Party advert breaks …

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2019 7:53 pm

    Woolworths shares are up 1% in early trading.

    Shearing time? Or did you buy a couple of boxes of wine?

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2019 7:54 pm

    Hey FUCKWIT, how many aircraft systems are there?

    What do you mean by “systems”?

    ‘Cause I have no idea?

  97. October 31, 2019 8:19 pm

    And “secondly ; can you” .. We All Know He Can`t .. That`s why he spends all his effort De-Valuing everybody else and their Quals .. Even tho they are all higher/more trained, skilled and knowledgeable than he ever will be.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2019 10:37 pm

    What do you mean by “systems”?

    Google it,because the other participant in the discussion has no idea.

  99. November 1, 2019 12:14 am

    This is the type of uninformed nonsense that yomm just regurgitates-

    Google it, because the other participant in the discussion has no idea.

  100. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 8:46 am

    however, they have a long and respected history of keeping aeroplanes in the air!

    BINGO!

    fyi yomm, my title is ‘engineer’, but I can tell you, I’m not an Engineer.

    Most European fitters are ‘Engineers”.

    And, that is really just ignorance on yor behalf, and shaming of professionals with a high level of qualification, and knowledge, and, as TB pointed out for the dumber one (yes, YOU) a high level of achievement.

    Professionals in the field telling management (ie, anyone who spends their time backstabbing instead of producing) that their decision is reckless should be listened to, not dismissed because you think they are just ‘grease monkeys’

    Stop it with yor ‘casual isms’ and address their concerns, because, to this point, you have done nothing but slander workers whose record alone should mean that their advise should be taken seriously

  101. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 8:49 am

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 10:00 am

    LAMES are part of the engineering & maintenance structure of an airline, they are not the be all and end all. It is the entire engineering system that keeps aircraft in the air, not a single specific occupation.

    The LAMES are part of the system – they are not the system
    ———–
    There are 5 aircraft systems, engine, airframe, electrical, radio, instrument, but modern aircraft have integrated the latter 3 into “avionics”

    So the no nothing FUCKWIT proves… he’s a no nothing FUCKWIT

  103. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 10:31 am

    The LAMES are part of the system

    A Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer ‘was’ an integral part of what used to be a highly effective system.

    Just curious, but which Union do think should be overriding The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers’ Association over safety issues

    The TWU? The AWU?

    Just who would know better about the planes safety than ……. the people responsible for the planes safety?

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 10:45 am

    There are lots of Engineers with post graduate qualifications in aircraft systems, and many started their careers as LAMES, that are far better qualified than LAMES to determine aircraft safety.

    LAMES are responsible for performing and confirming that the work is carried out in accordance with safety regulation. They aren’t the be all and end all, even though they seek to present this as the public image, and yesterday the ABC fell for the line.

    But later the ABC report deleted the ALAEA propaganda

  105. November 1, 2019 10:51 am

    “So the no nothing FUCKWIT proves… he’s a no nothing FUCKWIT”

    I think you mean “know nothing”

    *justsayin’

  106. November 1, 2019 10:57 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  107. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 11:08 am

    LAMES are responsible for performing and confirming that the work is carried out in accordance with safety regulation.

    And they have raised serious safety issues, and been ignored

    There are lots of Engineers with post graduate qualifications in aircraft systems

    And their Union is………..?

    or are they now all company men. Reeks of Building inspectors being paid for by ….. builders.

    They were ‘engineers’ to, you know, the ‘real’ ones you hold in such high esteem, unlike grease monkeys!

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 11:21 am

    I think you mean “know nothing”

    You’re right, and I’m happy to be corrected, because it allows me to say – he’s know nothing FUCKWIT

    …and did I mention illiterate and incoherent?
    ——————
    The union with coverage is APESMA

    They are the ones that actually determine the standard of maintenance work to be carried out. The LAMES carry out the work in accordance with those instructions and procedures.

    And generally all levels of certification of airworthiness carry out the work diligently. The system of certification in Australia is probably the best in the world, and it is the entire system – not just the function of a single group/classification.

    The Qantas engineering and maintenance system is regarded as about the best in the world and has a better reputation that the OEMs.

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 11:26 am

    And while I’m on the subject, all the tradespeople involved in overhaul of aircraft components (including aircraft engines) aren’t LAMES.

    There are no LAMES involved in component & engine repair and overhaul.

    The safety of the aircraft is often the product of the quality of the components that are installed on it.

    The safety isn’t simply the product of the skilled LAMES that certify that the component has been installed in accordance with the instructions written by engineers.

  110. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 11:46 am

    The union with coverage is APESMA

    They are the ones that actually determine the standard of maintenance work to be carried out.

    APESMA is called Professionals Australia, and is aimed at IT workers, I know, I toyed with them years ago. Calling them a Union is a misnomer. They are a networking company that came across more as a datamining operation than anything involved in looking after workers.

  111. November 1, 2019 12:18 pm

    Is anyone else not the least bit interested in what this so-called ‘conversation’ is about….?

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 12:39 pm

    Calling them a Union is a misnomer.

    I don’t know why that is. They are registered as a union, they are respondent to many awards, they participate in collective bargaining.

    Many of their members are covered by a classification structure that integrates with a trades and technical structure.

    In Qantas they are part of the bargaining process.

    What is it that doesn’t allow them to qualify as a union – is it because they aren’t affiliated with the ALP?

  113. ivi permalink
    November 1, 2019 12:46 pm

    (Is anyone else not the least bit interested in what this so-called ‘conversation’ is about….?

    It’s fascinating.)

  114. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 12:47 pm

    What is it that doesn’t allow them to qualify as a union

    I didn’t say that though, did I

    What is it that doesn’t allow grease monkeys to qualify as …….. qualified?

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 1:34 pm

    And I haven’t talked about grease monkeys. I’m simply pointing out that contrary to the PR spin ofthe ALAEA , the safety of aircraft is due to an engineering and maintenance system.

    That covers a lot more people, skills and classifications than those claimed by the ALAEA

  116. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 2:04 pm

    And I haven’t talked about grease monkeys

    racist</strike? professionalist? ME?

    Another union has coverage of what is generally regarded as “professional engineers”

    What would aircraft engineers (oops, ” most people would regard as leading hands and some advanced trades.”) know.

    the safety of aircraft is due to an engineering and maintenance system.

    Yes, and the part of the system at the coal face has raised concerns

    If only the building industries “professional engineers” had them

  117. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 2:05 pm

    struck out lol

    just like Qantas is going to be

  118. Walrus permalink
    November 1, 2019 3:57 pm

    “You have no idea what you think you are “experiencing” …….””

    Oh I’m quite content to see the ALP move more and more to the Left.

    Believe me I really am.

  119. Walrus permalink
    November 1, 2019 4:03 pm

    Someone posted a picture of that turd the Irish Leprachaun.

    I agree he is obsenely overpaid and would you like to know why his profit and loss looks so good year after year then have a look at this. Qantas ranks 10th and Aeroflot has one of the youngest

    Oldest Airfleets in the World

    1 Delta Airlines 17 years
    2 Air Canada 14.2 years
    3 United Airlines 14.1 years
    4 British Airways 13.2 years
    5 Air France 12.6 years
    6 Lufthansa 11.5 years
    – Southwest Airlines 11.5 years
    8 KLM 10.7 years
    9 American Airlines 10.3 years
    10 Qantas 9.7 years
    11 Thai Airways 9.6 years
    12 All Nippon Airways 9.4 years
    13 Jet Blue Airways 9.3 years
    14 Korean Air 9.2 years
    15 Japan Airlines 8.7 years
    16 LATAM Brazil 8.1 years
    – Singapore Airlines 8.1 years
    18 Cathay Pacific 7.7 years
    19 EasyJet (UK) 7.2 years
    20 China Southern Airlines 6.9 years
    21 Ryanair 6.5 years
    22 Air China 6.3 years
    23 Etihad 6.1 years
    – Qatar Airways 6.1 years
    25 Saudi Arabian Airlines 5.9 years
    26 Emirates 5.4 years
    27 China Eastern Airlines 5.3 years
    28 Hainan Airlines 4.9 years
    29 Aeroflot 4.2 years

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 4:32 pm

    Yes, and the ALAEA is critical of Qantas for maintaining a fleet of that age. It’s a great pity that Qantas isn’t more like Aeroflot.

    The ALAEA overlooks this-

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/safest-airlines-2019-qantas-flights-airlineratings-flybe-air-new-zealand-a8711101.html%3famp

    Qantas the world’s safest airline

  121. November 1, 2019 5:02 pm

    Qantas is a shit airline.

    It’s basically the Australian version of British Airways. The so-called ‘customer service’ if you can call it that. Is non existent.

    Who wants to be ‘served’ if you can call it that, by some surly crusty old cabin crew member who looks upon you as an inconvenience as a passenger rather than a customer who’s actually paying their wages.

    I flew with them reluctantly last month and vowed never to do it again.

    Even just trying to contact them is nightmare. I called their 13 number and was greeted with the message “your call is important to us, your current wait time is one and a half hours.”**

    Get fucked.

    **True story

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 5:17 pm

    Yes, unions have really screwed up the customer service of Qantas

  123. November 1, 2019 5:24 pm

    It`s hilarious when a complete FUCKWIT posts comments about a subject in complete ignorance .. Correct .. But know matter how hard we try .. We Can`t Stop You

    ~

    Most European fitters are Engineers. @Tick

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 6:05 pm

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

  125. Walrus permalink
    November 1, 2019 6:06 pm

    “Qantas the world’s safest airline”

    I’m not disputing that.

    What I’m saying is when he first landed the job he pretty much wrote-off his entire fleet ($2.84 Billion loss in 2014) on some lame pretext of currency movement. Then he had the good fortune of low oil prices. So 2 of his greatest costs Amortisation and Fuel were greatly diminished and so his bonuses grew. Then he set about cutting staff (probably overdue) which is really the only instance of his management skills depending what side of that argument you sit

    So beware Qantas shareholders as sooner than later this fleet will need renewing and upwards goes the amortisation again.

    Now its a shit airline that I have not/refused to fly since 2016. And that’s just domestic. I have not flown international Qantas since 1999 when sitting in my window seat the stewardess instead of handing me a bread roll on a plate tossed it to me. You call that “Business Class” to London ?

  126. November 1, 2019 6:58 pm

    “You call that “Business Class”

    Yes it is SHIT!

    Whenever I fly business with Thai or Singapore Airlines I’m politely welcomed on board by name as Mr “of Melbourne”.

    In Qantas Business all you get is “gidday mate”.

    ‘Scuse me. I didn’t spend X amount of dollars to be called “your mate” you decrepit old bag.

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 7:05 pm

    I think a fair bit of the risk of airline investment is reflected in the PE ratio

    Qantas employs 30,000 people, and is these days probably the biggest employer of apprentices in the country. It deserves a little more support for this reason alone.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 7:08 pm

    Well… I use to fly Aust to London in FIRST class, and that was quite comfortable.

    The first time the cabin crew brought out a huge crystal dish of caviar in dry ice, it was quite spectacular!

    You can get used to that kind of thing.

  129. November 1, 2019 7:18 pm

    “Qantas employs 30,000 people, and is these days probably the biggest employer of apprentices in the country. It deserves a little more support for this reason alone.”

    So what.

    If their service is shit they get the support they deserve.

  130. November 1, 2019 7:20 pm

    The only evidence of crystal I’ve seen is in the saucer sized eyes of the cabin crew.

  131. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    November 1, 2019 7:27 pm

    cutting staff (probably overdue)

    bread roll .. tossed it

    Now its a shit airline

    Do you know if there is any `Linkage` between staff quality, service quality and brand quality blubbers?

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 7:35 pm

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    And did I mention illiterate & unintelligent ?

  133. November 1, 2019 7:36 pm

    “bread roll .. tossed it”

    Everything that’s wrong with the world neatly summed up in those four little words.

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2019 9:02 pm

    … and many started their careers as LAMES,

    A rare if not extinct breed in 2019 …

    Old MM’s “joke” – yesterday I couldn’t spell engineer, today I are one!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The TWU? The AWU?

    ToM, probably thinks its the CFMMU …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    With regard to the discussion and cracks in the “pickle fork”, that is part of the landing gear.

    “It is a primary structure which takes the load off the wing,”

    Does this make sense to anyone else?

    ToM
    And generally all levels of certification of airworthiness carry out the work diligently. The system of certification in Australia is probably the best in the world, and it is the entire system – not just the function of a single group/classification.

    (My bold … )

    It is now (to my knowledge) three 737’s with cracks – and safety protocols would mean that all 737’s (particularly QANTAS) should be grounded.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wally

    Agree … no-one – but no-one is worth $24m a year … tops should be $2m at most – with KPI’s covering more than “profit”!

    I flew DELTA once – NEVER again! Its Geruda on steroids but staff who speak English … even Egyptair beats them – just … and I’ve uncomfortably flown in a 1945 Otter from Mt. Hagen to Tabubil! (Ok Tedi)

    The list is interesting I’m assuming its an average of ages …

    I’m not disputing that.

    None of us are – but the leprechaun couldn’t find a crack in a brothel let alone on a fucking aeroplane!

    I agree he is obsenely overpaid I think you meant “obscenely”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes, unions have really screwed up the customer service of Qantas

    WTF? BOO!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Whooo! You are awful

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I use to fly Aust to London in FIRST class – You can get used to that kind of thing.

    Oh FFS!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Luvved every second … enjoy your flight – out!

  135. Tony permalink
    November 1, 2019 11:03 pm

    The only evidence of crystal I’ve seen is in the saucer sized eyes of the cabin crew.

    Funny!😂🤣

  136. November 2, 2019 6:44 pm

    Hey nose nuffing, l already read this well before you dropped your link and got hysterical.

    Infographic: Pickle forks help to hold the wings to the body of a plane. (ABC News)

    The pickle fork is supposed to last the life of an aircraft ; which means roughly 90,000 take-off and landing cycles for a 737.

    It`s a known problem in the Boeing 737s and last month the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued an urgent directive for all airlines to check their 737s that had completed more than 30,000 cycles for pickle fork cracks.

    However, none of Qantas`s planes have done that many.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-31/qantas-737-cracking-does-not-justify-fleet-grounding-expert-says/11658588

    Hint, `faa directive` makes yank plains NOT fly wear 16-war-birds gets smoked.

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:19 pm

    I’ve just burst out laughing at this – l already read this…

    What the FUCKWIT means is – “my carer read this to me, after wiping the drool from my chin and changing my incontinence pad…”

  138. ivi permalink
    November 3, 2019 5:53 am

    (Most assuredly, the (product) quality engineers have been busy; crunching (on) the, erm. stats.)

  139. November 3, 2019 6:52 am

    Laugh it up nose nuffing, teamcheerer has already handed you and your stupidity your arse with his grease-primates comments.

  140. November 3, 2019 7:49 am

    (There are known unknowns; there are things we nose, yomm does not know. There are unknown unknowns; there are things yomm does not know, he does not know. There are unknown knowns; there are things yomm does not know, what others nose.)

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 3, 2019 10:13 am

    semi-literate
    /sɛmɪˈlɪt(ə)rət/

    adjective
    unable to read or write with ease or fluency; poorly educated.
    “a high proportion of the population is still relatively poor and semi-literate”

    noun
    a person who is poorly educated or unable to read or write with ease or fluency
    ————–
    fuckwit
    /ˈfʌkwɪt/
    noun
    a stupid or contemptible person

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    November 3, 2019 1:13 pm

    Another indicator that people are being dudded and simply don’t get it …

    Significant paragraph …

    The secretary of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, Sally McManus, wants penalties for underpayment beefed up and unions given back the right to check pay records, which they lost under the Howard government.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/03/adly-checking-their-payrolls-the-ugly-truth-of-australias-underpayment-epidemic

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToM

    “a high proportion of the population is still relatively poor and semi-literate”

    Do you think that refers to Australia?

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 3, 2019 3:18 pm

    No TB, that is an example of usage from the definition, and certainly the semi-literate FUCKWIT is a prime example of a…. semi-literate FUCKWIT

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 3, 2019 3:50 pm

    I think all up salaries (ie inclusive of payment for all hours) are dangerous for companies, and it is a particularly foolish corporate strategy.

    So is relying on an expired agreement, or other mechanisms that provide lower pay than the relevant award.

    The only employees that should be paid all up salaries are senior managers.

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    November 3, 2019 7:18 pm

    The only employees that should be paid all up salaries are senior managers.

    Eight hours work for eight hours pay … penalty rates for overtime … shimples …

    8 hours work, 8 hours play, 8 hours rest …

    No-one should be on a salary. Senior managers should be qualified and and paid based on an eight hours base like everyone else (might help to justify some of the ridiculous incomes senior managers earn are paid)

    But then I realised – you didn’t discuss wage theft at all! Lock ’em Up!

  146. November 3, 2019 7:28 pm

    That`s some mighty fine copy`n paste, nose nuffing. No doubt from your favorite dictionary site. lmitation is the greatest form of flattery. With all those adhoms above, does your favorite dictionary list closet trumpian on it.

    Getting back to your very-own link that you`ve unhinged yourself with. Considering the pickles sticky-tape most of the plane together; Can You deduce the reason Team-Physics are getting on the record with Legacy outlets. And could the pickles be more pressing than Team-Crack-Denial want to admit.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 3, 2019 7:44 pm

    I find it quite invigorating to tell a imbecilic, illiterate FUCKWIT that they’re a FUCKWIT

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 3, 2019 7:47 pm

    TB, if a company deliberately and wilfully underpays employees, and this is proven to the criminal standard, I don’t have problem with a criminal conviction.

  149. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 8:35 am

    Hi, everyone have a good weekend? 🙂

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2019 6:38 pm

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/tas/2019/11/04/tasmanian-pizza-shop-fined-for-ripping-off-staff/

    ‘nover wun!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yep, TR, number 3 g/son wups my arse every Sunday playing PC strategy games from Age of Empires, 0 AD to Army Men and Warhamme 40,000: Dawn of War Soulstorm (Naturally I play Sisters of Battle – weapon totin’ nuns 🙂 )

  151. November 5, 2019 9:35 am

    ALL “managers should be qualified” teebz. The world has too many nose nuffing, mid-manage brown-noses turning too many things into a cesspool. When pressed, many prove they aint much in the `manage` dept, and tend to excel in the brown-nose and halfwit dept.

    Working Example. “The ABC has (as usual) given the ALAEA a status it really doesn`t deserve.”

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 5, 2019 4:57 pm

    WARNING!
    Incoherent FUCKWIT above

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