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The right to Protest and Boycott are basic tenets of our democracy

November 1, 2019
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A photo of Victoria Police Officer taken yesterday, who has covered his bodycam with a sticker that reads “EAD (Eat a Dick) Hippy”

Not content with maligning unemployed people as drug addicts and pensioners as ‘welfare’ recipients, the Morrison government is determined to further subjugate Australians into submission with calls by the PM to ban the perfectly legitimate right for consumers to boycott businesses whose conduct goes against their personal ethics or principles.

Earlier today the PM called protesters “anarchists” and called for a radical crackdown on the right to protest saying ‘progressives’ are seeking to “deny the liberties of Australians”.

Morrison referred to the “worrying development” of environmental groups targeting businesses or firms involved in the mining sector with “secondary boycotts,” such as businesses involved in providing banking, insurance or consultancy services.

“They are targeting businesses of all sizes, including small businesses, like contracting businesses in regional Queensland,” he said.

“Let me assure you this is not something my government intends to allow to go unchecked.”

“Together with the attorney general, we are working to identify mechanisms that can successfully outlaw these indulgent and selfish practices that threaten the livelihoods of fellow Australians.”

Fucksake.

The right to boycott is a basic principle of democratic liberalism. Only authoritarians would challenge the inherent right of business owners and consumers to withdraw custom from any business and to explain to that business and the community why it’s happening.

Why should we as consumers be compelled to support businesses that damage the environment and the health and wellbeing of future generations?

Not to be outdone, the avuncular Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton, announced that he wants protesters to be charged for the cost of police to attend demonstrations.

“Many of them they don’t even believe in democracy,” said Dutton

“This is not about free speech, it’s not about the ability to protest. These people are completely against our way of life,” he said.

Which is a bit of a stretch.

It seems this government won’t be satisfied until we’re all just bludgeoned into silent obedient taxpayers funding their police state.  The “quiet Australians” as Morrison would say. Fuck that.

 

 

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481 Comments leave one →
  1. November 1, 2019 7:14 pm

    The government who finds this activism inconvenient is the same government who has sparked the activism, given its purpose and salience and traction, because of its own woeful record on climate change.

    In some circles, that sort of behaviour – where you massively bugger things up, and someone has the temerity to call you on it, either individually, or institutionally – is known as an own goal.

    But that kind of introspection, the kind where you reflect and arrive at an epiphany that you might just have brought this upon yourself, is of course unhelpful if you are a prime minister intent on making your reality – a made-up world where there are goodies, and baddies, and you and your mates are the goodies, and everyone else should just shut up, and if you don’t shut up, we just might make you.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/01/as-he-rails-against-activism-morrison-turns-a-bit-sinister-a-little-bit-threatening?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  2. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 7:16 pm

    morrison-turns-a-bit-sinister-a-little-bit-threatening?

    Wow, who’d have thought that the guy who started the brutalisation of dark skinned people on a foreign soil under our watch would turn out like that.

    fucken dumbass media who bootstrapped his dorky daddy routine whilst bagging Shorten all along.

  3. November 1, 2019 7:21 pm

    I’m looking forward to the press release from Victoria Police explaining the photo in the main post above..

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2019 7:32 pm

    The police has always had a target demographic for recruitment-
    * IQ of 80 or less
    * Bully
    * Declined for recruitment by the army
    * Social misfit
    * Ability to treat every member of the public as a likely criminal

    Post recruitment, police are trained to-
    * Become fat, surly and lazy
    * Rort their roster
    * Use a baton on members of the public

    It has always been the same.
    ————-

    It makes me want to puke when state politicians chime in with suck up thank you to the police.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2019 9:10 pm

    I think Happy Clappy Morriscum spent way too much time with Donald Cunt Trump

    It makes me want to puke when state politicians chime in with suck up thank you to the police.

    It makes me wonder just what happened to you in that Watchhouse, ToM?

    * Declined for recruitment by the army

    Don’t worry, ToM, you would fall into that same category!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m looking forward to the press release from Victoria Police explaining the photo in the main post above..

    EAD … that’s another one to add to the memory bank!

  6. Tom R permalink
    November 1, 2019 9:41 pm

    Don’t worry, it’s all just “OK” 😉

    (Let’s see them explain that one too reb)

  7. November 1, 2019 9:57 pm

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  8. Tony permalink
    November 1, 2019 11:19 pm

    The government who finds this activism inconvenient is the same government who has sparked the activism, given its purpose and salience and traction, because of its own woeful record on climate change.

    I agree. Morrison should take his climate policies to an election and let the voters decide whose they prefer.

    Right ‘Murpharoo’?

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2019 11:43 pm

    Look for a “speshul” armband in your letter box soon!

  10. November 2, 2019 8:07 am

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  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 2, 2019 9:34 am

    The worst airline food…

    https://www.traveller.com.au/worst-airline-food-ryanair-tops-list-of-worst-inflight-meals-h1ja3t

  13. Tony permalink
    November 2, 2019 9:41 am

    By the way, secondary boycotts are already illegal in Australia.

    https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/cfmeu-to-pay-1m-in-penalties-for-secondary-boycott

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 2, 2019 11:20 am

    Should people’s employment be at risk because they post their personal opinions?

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-02/hong-kong-cathay-pacific-staff-speak-out/11657254

  15. November 2, 2019 11:56 am

    That food looks DISGUSTING ToM.

    But then what else do people expect in coach.

    Whenever I fly Business with SIA or Thai, there’s always a warm and enthusiastic greeting.

    “Hi, it’s reb of Melbourne! Great to see you!” I shout at the cabin crew, but they pretend not to recognise me.

    (Usually they’re preoccupied with pre-departure procedures, so it’s understandable).

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 2, 2019 1:00 pm

    Yes, but the worst airline meal(s) I’ve ever experiences was many, many years ago.

    I was returning to Australia and particularly short of money, so I booked a leg on Biman Airways – the national carrier of Bangladesh !

    It stopped everywhere, and each time it took off, there was a plate of brown stuff placed in front of me, apparently to eat!

    And what were the other passengers carrying in those hessian bags they used as carry on luggage? Was that a chicken squawking? And a small pig?

    Security has tightened up a little since then!

    **Now off to the races to look at some sloshed and drenched young people

  17. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    November 4, 2019 7:07 am

    This is about insurance. The rest is noise. When john-w abdicated kyoto, and then mr-rabbit re-instated the abdication by killing the carbon tax structure, they abdicated to global insurance. SloMo will make some noise, huff`n puff, pretending he can stand up to global insurance, but will ultimately collapse like a house of cards. Much of the biz sector is frustrated that muppet island does not have a sane power policy or sane global cooling policy so are taking things into their own hands and following the insurance industry lead. SloMo can huff`n puff all he wants, but he can`t make the banks anywhere lend to adani, nor can he make insurers cover red-lined (no-cover) areas. TIP, expect the spit and southport to be some of our first red-lined areas once sea-level starts jumping (both are Low land with ocean on one side, sea lagoon on other side) as well as coast. This is my laugh of the week story, check aje, f24, dw, bbc for more info, then you will see just how idiotic slomo is.

  18. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 8:48 am

    Morrison should take his climate policies to an election and let the voters decide whose they prefer.

    He did. But he did lie 😉

    Also, people voted not to have a death tax.

    Basically, people got lied to which ever way you look at it.

    By the way, secondary boycotts are already illegal in Australia.

    Only for Unions. Like a lot of things.

    Unions are also banned from checking employees pays. Howard did that. Guess when mass underpayments began???

  19. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 8:50 am

    You just wonder how deep the Nazi sentiment runs in our police forces?

    I know I can’t look at ANY officer now without a bit of a sneer. I assume the worst.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2019 11:59 am

    The police have always had dumb, fat, redneck bullies as their target recruitment pool.

    It’s annoying to constantly see Daniel Andrews constantly congratulate them

  21. November 4, 2019 12:00 pm

    remove one “constantly”

  22. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 12:05 pm

    The police have always had dumb, fat, redneck bullies as their target recruitment pool.

    Yea, but now they also have Nazis.

    That’s truly troubling

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2019 12:44 pm

    I think the police have always had the racist redneck element.

    Lots of dumb bullies tend to be like that, and that’s the police demographic

  24. Tony permalink
    November 4, 2019 12:51 pm

    Yea, but now they also have Nazis.

    If Victoria Police have actual Nazis then I blame Daniel Andrews. He’s been Premier for five years.

    But I’m not sure the original premise is true. Could Tom R give us a name or names of these Nazis and point is to any evidence that they are actual Nazis. (Presumably he means Neo-Nazis, because most of the original Nazis wouldn’t meet Vic Pol’s age requirements.)

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2019 1:09 pm

    Another example of the police being RACIST C**TS

    They are absolutely fucked in the way they deal with 2 entirely inoffensive women.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/officer-in-controversial-traffic-stop-of-muslim-women-identified-as-bikiebusting-raptor-13/news-story/ffc4270aff6a1d9a0efe05e0d87b8545

  26. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 1:12 pm

    point is to any evidence that they are actual Nazis.

    Probably not ‘actual Nazis’ tosy, but they tick all the boxes. Definitely of the ‘neo’ brand

    I’ll just highlight the evidence again, you might have to follow the trail 😉

    “Their first reaction was to lie for him”

    Start there, follow through 😉

  27. ivi permalink
    November 4, 2019 1:23 pm

    (**Now off to the races to look at some sloshed and drenched young people

    There’s nothing like a good shubshub race to bring out the best in antipodean eugenicists, mayhaps.)

  28. Tony permalink
    November 4, 2019 1:39 pm

    Probably not ‘actual Nazis’ tosy.

    Alt right is Nazism, right ? We now allow Nazis to sign up ?

    Trouble is, when everybody’s a Nazi (or Hitler), nobody’s a Nazi (or Hitler).

  29. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 2:55 pm

    nobody’s a Nazi

    Yea, and everything is just OK 😉

  30. Tony permalink
    November 4, 2019 3:17 pm

    Now we’ve gone the full circle back to #handgate. 🙄

    #conspiracytheories #tomroswell

  31. ivi permalink
    November 4, 2019 3:40 pm

    (Now we’ve gone the full circle back to #handgate

    Shhh.)

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 4, 2019 3:47 pm

    Yea, and everything is just OK

    TomR

    I think you will find it was photoshopped

  33. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 3:48 pm

    #conspiracytheories

    😉

  34. November 4, 2019 4:26 pm

    Let’s all bring a cake to the office for Melbourne Cup day they said.

    It’ll be fun they said…

  35. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 4:29 pm

    I think you will find it was photoshopped

    lol

    “It’s just an OK sign”

    “NO, it’s photoshopped”

    lol

    It’s on the libs twitter account for fucks sake ROFL

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 4, 2019 4:46 pm

    OK I did not know. I just thought it could be photoshopped. I doubt Jenny Morrison is a white supremacist. But these days you cannot trust any photo as it is easy to manipulate them. So are you saying it was deliberate?

  37. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 5:30 pm

    Yea, she’s not a racist, their best friends aren’t #qanon crackpots, and he doesn’t speak to sky faeries in gibberish

    Except of course for all the evidence that says otherwise

  38. November 4, 2019 5:48 pm

    “”I doubt Jenny Morrison is a white supremacist.””

    I prefer her earlier work anyway, like that song “She Has to be Loved”.

  39. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 6:09 pm

    Let them eat cake reb 😉

    Is there a horse thing on this week?

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 4, 2019 6:19 pm

    Shows you demented lefties are. Most normal people would have not even noticed it

  41. Tony permalink
    November 4, 2019 8:37 pm

    This “probably not ‘actual nazi’” cop. I’m still trying to work out what he has done.

    As far as I can tell he hasn’t broken any laws. He hasn’t lynched anyone, he hasn’t assaulted anyone, he hasn’t burnt any books or even a cross (so far reported). AFAIK it hasn’t been suggested he broke any conditions of his employment contract either.

    So what has he done wrong, actually? Offended the outrage industry by posting memes on Facebook and making a hand signal.

    Yes. He has committed thought crimes.

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 4, 2019 8:50 pm

    Well it looks like it was true all the time. Labors NBN started on a napkin

    https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-napkin-lists-on-ebay-for-5000-402273

    Exclusive: Rudd’s former pilot lets go of long-held treasure.

    The pilot of former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s ministerial jet has confirmed the existence of a long-rumoured napkin used to sketch out the first iteration of the national broadband network, today listing the used serviette for sale.
    Rumours have long circulated that the first version of the $37.4 billion national broadband network was laid out by former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy to Rudd on the back of a table napkin during a prime ministerial flight in 2009.
    Evidence for the tale has, until now, been thin on the ground.
    But a new listing on global ecommerce site eBay – made without fanfare – reveals for the first time that the rumours were, in fact, true.

  43. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2019 10:31 pm

    Hard to pick the dumbest comment from those two. I’ll go with tosy, cos nils got a natural advantage

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 4, 2019 10:57 pm

    Well it was published on April 1. This apparently is labors first draft of their NBN dreamt up in 2009

    https://i.nextmedia.com.au/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=http%3a%2f%2fi.nextmedia.com.au%2fNews%2fnbn+napkin.JPG&w=480&c=0&s=1

  45. Tony permalink
    November 5, 2019 8:26 am

    Careful Neil. That could be one of those meme thingys.😳

  46. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2019 8:37 am

    That could be one of those meme thingys

    perhaps it’s been photoshopped?

  47. Tony permalink
    November 5, 2019 8:52 am

    It’s clearly not the original. Conroy’s plan was on the back of a napkin.

  48. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2019 9:16 am

    🙂

  49. Tony permalink
    November 5, 2019 9:19 am

    ‘This is the original landscape-format version of the short movie Cosmic Eye, viewed over 200 Million times on Facebook since 2016, when the movie first went viral. The movie zooms through all well-known scales of the universe from minuscule elementary particles out to the gigantic cosmic web. In doing so, it shows the ultimate size comparison in our universe.’

  50. Tony permalink
    November 5, 2019 9:23 am

    That’s not the one I meant. Hope this is it …

  51. Tony permalink
    November 5, 2019 9:25 am

    I give up. It’s called Cosmic Eye on You Tube if anyone’s interested.

  52. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2019 10:51 am

    Thanks Tony, don’t give up (cos it worked the first time 😉 )

    Pretty sure that ones photoshopped though. I found the original 😉

  53. Tony permalink
    November 5, 2019 11:12 am

    Thanks for that Tom. Yours is much more likely.

  54. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2019 11:29 am

    👌

  55. Tony permalink
    November 5, 2019 11:46 am

    👽 👾

  56. November 5, 2019 1:15 pm

    u8i ntf In an exclusive interview to air on Four Corners

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-04/william-tyrrell-bill-spedding-speaks-about-being-wrongly-accused/11646010

    Bill Spedding became the highest-profile person of interest in the police investigation into the 2014 disappearance of three-year-old William Tyrrell, who became known as the “boy in the Spiderman suit”.

    Despite an intensive police investigation and a record $1 million reward for information, no trace of William has ever been found and the case remains unsolved.

    ~

    @-the plod made a pigs breakfast out of this one, and premier gladys will have to write spedding a huge cheque

  57. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2019 3:02 pm

    The worst economic results in 28 years

    It’s the recession we didn’t need to have?

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 5, 2019 3:15 pm

    Unemployment at 5.3% is better than any time from under hawke/keating and for most of the time under Howard.

    But we should have running surplus budgets years ago to save us from what is coming but Australia did not want to do that

  59. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2019 3:17 pm

    Someones photoshopped a nil rant.

  60. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2019 3:46 pm

    How good is the melbone cup

  61. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2019 3:51 pm

    apparently a horse wun it

  62. Tony permalink
    November 5, 2019 7:21 pm

    news.com.au, the left wing of news limited

  63. November 5, 2019 7:34 pm

    r2s 2nd

    Hey stupid tunc, nobody gives a flying fcuk about paper napkins. And l got the Daily Double!

    (1) Water authorities say the rain across Sydney in recent days has done virtually nothing to boost dam levels. Only about 10 to 20 millilitres of rain fell across the Sydney catchment, according to Water NSW.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-05/morning-briefing/11670784

    @-Let`s hope a few wireCo nodes were drowned. l notice the teabags still don`t know where to build those new dams they keep bleating about. Must be harder to find heavy rainfall areas than they thought. (-:

    (2) The NSW Government has a list of nearly 450 buildings across the state with potentially flammable cladding ; and is keeping it secret due to security concerns.

    @-more like premier gladys `Job` security concerns.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2019 8:14 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/05/climate-crisis-11000-scientists-warn-of-untold-suffering

    Easy to read – its got pitchers …

  65. Tom R permalink
    November 6, 2019 8:25 am

    Or maybe its simply religious hypocrisy …

    It’s not hypocrisy when your religion tell you poor people deserve their fate.

    And this mob are doing their utmost to make sure the undeserving get what they deserve (according to their interpretation of some scriptures)

  66. Tony permalink
    November 6, 2019 9:21 am

    Or, how bad would consumer activity be if the tax cuts hadn’t happened?

    Keane spins left.

  67. November 6, 2019 9:59 am

    Imagine how much worse things would’ve been if Hitler was even more of a mad c**t than he was?

    We should be happy he was just the way he was…

    TosyLogic ™

  68. Tony permalink
    November 6, 2019 10:36 am

    Yeah, nah. All but the first couple of paragraphs of that Keane article is pay-walled so his logic is a mystery to me. But is he really saying income tax cuts lead to lower consumer spending? Or only Morrison tax cuts?

    The Morrison government has achieved the rare feat of a tax cut that leads to lower consumer activity

  69. November 6, 2019 10:47 am

    “Is he really saying income tax cuts lead to lower consumer spending? Or only Morrison tax cuts?”

    “All but the first couple of paragraphs of that Keane article is pay-walled so his logic is a mystery to me.”

    I think you just answered your own question.

  70. Tony permalink
    November 6, 2019 10:57 am

    Okay, so tax cuts do lead to more consumer activity except when Morrison does them.

  71. Tom R permalink
    November 6, 2019 11:23 am

    Do you have any previous examples of tax cuts increasing spending?

    Or only Morrison tax cuts?

    It is probably that, as, WHAT FUCKEN TAX CUTS?

    AND

    Coupled with driving everything else in opposite directions, prices up, wages, down.

  72. November 6, 2019 11:29 am

    What counts as consumer activity`osy. Stock buy backs? Debt reduction? Pretty skeptical the teabags can stimulate consumer activity myself. lts not their nature. They have been crushing consumer/workers for decades now.

    And .. Mythical surplus only fools 2gb`rs within muppet island, not those offshore in biz centers like singapore and london, analyzing for their clients.

  73. November 6, 2019 11:36 am

    “Keane spins left.”

    I’m not entirely sure that comes as a startling revelation to anyone, but I think the point he was making is that:

    1. The tax cuts didn’t do anything.
    2. Scott Morrison happens to be in government.

    I think it would be fair to say that they are both fairly indisputable facts.

  74. Tony permalink
    November 6, 2019 11:39 am

    OK, okay, so personal income tax cuts don’t lead to an increase in consumer activity. Think I’ve got it now.

  75. Tom R permalink
    November 6, 2019 11:48 am

    Now someones photoshopping Tony’s comments?

  76. Tom R permalink
    November 6, 2019 12:13 pm

  77. November 6, 2019 12:27 pm

    “OK, okay, so personal income tax cuts don’t lead to an increase in consumer activity. Think I’ve got it now.”

    Or – “personal income tax cuts didn’t lead to an increase in consumer activity.”

    It’s really not that complicated.

  78. Tom R permalink
    November 6, 2019 12:30 pm

    Think how much worst things would have been under Labor 😯

  79. Tony permalink
    November 6, 2019 1:03 pm

    Or – “personal income tax cuts didn’t lead to an increase in consumer activity.”

    Finally, I’ve worked it out!

    Sometimes personal income tax cuts lead to an increase in consumer activity, sometimes they don’t. It all depends on who the prime minister is.

    Think how much worst things would have been under Labor 😯

    I think you mean ‘worse’.🤪

  80. November 6, 2019 1:14 pm

    “Sometimes personal income tax cuts lead to an increase in consumer activity, sometimes they don’t. It all depends on who the prime minister is.”

    If you say so.

  81. Tom R permalink
    November 6, 2019 1:52 pm

    “I think you mean ‘worse’.”

    I think I’m confused just who’se 🙂 quoting whose

  82. Tom R permalink
    November 6, 2019 2:09 pm

    Is our grubmint stupid, or evil?

    (my Belief is, they aint stoopid)

    Medical specialists and aged-care researchers say outsourcing critical assessment teams would further strain an already “dysfunctional” aged-care system.

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2019/11/02/outsourcing-hit-dysfunctional-aged-care-system/15726132009026

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 6, 2019 5:55 pm

    I’m finding the economy fine at the moment. A couple of days at Flemington, I even saw a few horses this year, and now back on the coast.

    I might pop out later and provide a little stimulus to the local economy.

    My only complaint is that the wind is a little strong, and the surf is not meeting my requirements.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2019 6:21 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/bad-news-and-bad-omens-graph-that-proves-governments-1080-plan-has-failed/news-story/e1e57fa6d5eb3944f4a0b55989d11f84

    Must be Labor’s fault surely? The Economic Managers are in charge!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ’m finding the economy fine at the moment. A couple of days at Flemington, I even saw a few horses this year, and now back on the coast.

    I might pop out later and provide a little stimulus to the local economy.

    My only complaint is that the wind is a little strong, and the surf is not meeting my requirements.

    Australia’s population – 25,203,198 … but only one counts, hey, ToM 😉

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 6, 2019 6:41 pm

    Well TB, I think most people agree that the endless cycle of strong economic growth actually isn’t endless.

    Unemployment has flatlined, and wages are increasing at about the rate of inflation. It isn’t sensational and it isn’t dreadful. And in all of that I’m fine, because I’ve been reasonably prudent, I’ve even gone without a flatscreen TV in every room.

  86. November 6, 2019 7:28 pm

    As much as I’m looking for something to disagree with, YoM makes a good point.

    In these austere times, the ‘reb of Melbourne’ household has also forgone indiscriminate spending.

    I’m not sure how much it costs to go to the Melbourne Cup, but parting with a few hundred dollars to clobber-up and be part of some bogan piss-fest strikes me as both lacking class and a frivolous waste of money.

    Similarly we don’t subscribe to Netflix, Foxtel or other pay-for-garbage subscription services.

    We have also made considerable concessions when it comes to two of life’s absolute necessities. Food and wine.

    We’ve made the arduous sacrifice of not buying any fast food, instead often just ‘getting by’ every night with some crusty bread, some prosciutto, perhaps some seafood, a handful of olives, a bit of cheese and a meagre bottle of red wine (or two).

    These are the sacrifices we’re making, and those who claim to be crying poor would do well to follow our example (but perhaps not too closely).

    Thank you for your kind attention.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 6, 2019 8:36 pm

    I know!! And have you seen the price of decent prosciutto?

    Also, it seems that Penfolds are cashing in on the popularity of the 389. I remember when you could get a bottle for $60.

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 6, 2019 10:02 pm

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison was responsible for cutting $1.2 billion from the sector in his first Budget as Treasurer. The $1.2 billion cut followed his $500 million cut from aged care in the 2015 MYEFO.

    Even if true so what? Govt debt was MINUS 3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero, 13% by 2013 and 19% now. Without govt spending cuts govt debt will increase forever. Someone will always squeal when a govt program is cut. We all know the ALP does not care about govt debt. But for people who care about govt debt where do we make the govt spending cuts?

  89. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2019 8:18 am

    Even if true so what?

    Ignorance is like your thing, aint it

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/31/aged-care-system-cruel-and-harmful-and-underfunded-say-inquiry-commissioners

    I myself am looking forward to the yomm led recovery. Yor cuntry welcomes it’s new sayvyor

  90. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2019 8:36 am

    “The crimes of ritual sexual abuse happened in schools, churches, youth groups, scout troops, orphanages, foster homes, sporting clubs, group homes, charities, and in family homes as well.”
    ..
    @BurnedSpy34 — claimed to have influenced the prime minister to make a reference to “ritual” abuse.

    https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/10/31/scott-morrison-qanon/

    Out from behind the paywall for a week(?)

    Fun times, when a conspiracy theorist becomes the center of a “conspiracy theory” (except with facts)

    “Great moment,” tweeted Stewart’s son, Jesse, as @jesse_onya_m8. “You know #theGreatAwakening is in full swing when the Australian Prime Minister @ScottMorrisonMP mentions #RitualAbuse.”

    We are so down the rabbit hole, Alice got off for tea long ago

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2019 10:23 am

    These are the sacrifices we’re making, and those who claim to be crying poor would do well to follow our example (but perhaps not too closely).

    Wot no puddin’?

    No mention at all of eating cake?

  92. November 7, 2019 10:44 am

    “bread roll .. tossed it”

  93. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2019 11:39 am

    According to the Australia Institute poll from last month, Australians believe coal mining accounts for 12.5 percent of Australia’s economic output and employs 9.3 percent of its work force. “In reality,” the report says, “coal mining employs only 0.4 percent of workers in Australia and is 2.2 percent of Australia’s G.D.P.”

    Of the roughly 238,000 jobs that mining provides in Australia, only around 50,000 are tied to coal, according to government figures.

    “The government relies on ignorance,” Professor Eckersley said. “It’s a very toxic politics.”

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2019 12:42 pm

    How about getting someone to advise-

    * What is the percentage of exports coal makes up?
    *What would the current account look like without coal?
    *What would the exchange rate be without this export?
    *What would be the economic impact of this?

  95. Walrus permalink
    November 7, 2019 1:05 pm

    Excellent news……………….it looks like the ALP’s Election Review concludes that the tax policies did not contribute to their defeat.

    How about cutting franking credits for those on average tax rates below 30%, income tax rises and death duties peoples ?

  96. Tony permalink
    November 7, 2019 1:08 pm

    Those facts wouldn’t suit the ScoMo=Bad narrative, ToM.

  97. Walrus permalink
    November 7, 2019 1:17 pm

    LOL from the Australian

    “An Alliance of World Scientists petition declaring a climate emergency has been blocked online after questions were raised about some of its celebrity signatories.

    Mickey Mouse from the Mickey Mouse School of the Blind, Namibia made it through onto an official list published with a major article in BioScience on Tuesday.

    After the statement had been submitted to the journal, claiming the support of 11,000 world scientists, Mickey was joined on the list by Albus Dumbledore, Headmaster of Hogwarts.

    The first signature on the online list was Araminta Aadvark, professor of Zoology at University of Neasden, UK. Neasden University does not have a zoology department.”

  98. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2019 1:40 pm

    What would be the economic impact of this?

    Didn’t they pretend to do that about telling the automotive industry to Fuck Off?

    That’s panned out Brilliantly, hasn’t it 😉

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2019 2:09 pm

    So what you mean is – don’t know, don’t care

  100. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2019 2:21 pm

    What I mean is, they obviously lied about the automotive Industry, I wouldn’t believe a thing they said 😉

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2019 2:31 pm

    To those that seek to close the coal industry, they are reasonable questions.

    Or are you among those that would prefer not to know?

  102. Tony permalink
    November 7, 2019 2:36 pm

    That’s panned out Brilliantly, hasn’t it 😉

    Yeah, pretty good. Anyone who wants one can buy a car of their choosing. And taxpayers aren’t subsidising multinational corporations (or as lefties would call them if they hadn’t been closed shop union honey pots: Big Car!).

  103. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2019 3:27 pm

    And taxpayers aren’t subsidising multinational corporations

    Someone should tell the mining/banking/private health/private security firms ffs

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2019 3:45 pm

    During the final years of domestic manufacture, there were as many Mercedes sold as Commodores.

    Look at a graph of domestic market share and sales, no one wanted Camrys, Falcons and Commodores.

    The market moved to a European (brand) preference, and manufacturers were expecting the local market to buy clunky cars that seemed a decade old while still in the showroom.

    So exactly where is the Australian competitive advantage in motor vehicle manufacturing?

  105. Tony permalink
    November 7, 2019 3:57 pm

    So exactly where is the Australian competitive advantage in motor vehicle manufacturing?“

    It’s certainly not labour cost. The average all-up hourly rate on the shop floor at Ford, Broadmeadows was $50. At their Thailand plant where they built Ranger, and later Focus, the equivalent rate was $7.50.

  106. Tony permalink
    November 7, 2019 4:04 pm

    Someone should tell the mining/banking/private health/private security firms ffs

    We shouldn’t be subsidising any of them,. But at least we got rid of one group of bloodsucking rent-seekers. (Mind you, I don’t blame the companies for taking the money. If governments are stupid enough to wave huge cheque’s At them, what company wouldn’t say yeah, okay then.)

  107. Tony permalink
    November 7, 2019 4:08 pm

    *cheques

  108. Tom R permalink
    November 7, 2019 4:25 pm

    During the final years of domestic manufacture, there were as many Mercedes sold as Commodores.

    There was a little thing called the GFC around that time, kind of restricts exports

    But at least we got rid of one group of bloodsucking rent-seekers.

    And that’s playing out beautifully isn’t it 😉

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2019 4:34 pm

    I don’t think labour rates are a huge factor. More important is the lack of predictibility around union claims and action during plant upgrade, overhaul and shutdown maintenance.

    Because of the industrial exposure during these times upgrades, investment and overhaul was kept to a minimum. Ultimately this means there’s no investment and plant performance falls. Closure inevitably follows.

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2019 4:36 pm

    There was a little thing called the GFC around that time, kind of restricts exports

    Yeah, right. That bypassed Germany Japan, France, Korea and the USA didn’t it?

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2019 4:46 pm

    A few years ago, i did some work with some people that were looking at places to invest in a processing plant. It was a long term investment.

    They weren’t so bothered about labour rates or unions, but they were very concerned about the multitude of unions that claimed coverage and the reputation here of union disputes during shutdowns

    They eventually decided they had better places to invest their billion

  112. Walrus permalink
    November 7, 2019 5:52 pm

    The ALP Election Report basically asks one question.

    How can we keep our Left Wing causes and at the same time win over voters who don’t believe in those Left Wing causes.

    LOL it’s so simple really

  113. Walrus permalink
    November 7, 2019 6:14 pm

    LOL from above

    “….the report says, “coal mining employs only 0.4 percent of workers in Australia and is 2.2 percent of Australia’s G.D.P.”..”Of the roughly 238,000 jobs that mining provides in Australia, only around 50,000 are tied to coal, according to government figures…..“The government relies on ignorance,” Professor Eckersley said. “It’s a very toxic politics.”

    Now that’s very funny

    Queensland Budget Forecast 2019-2020 Forecast…….

    Coal Royalties $ 4,339 million (Yes that’s $4.339 Billion)
    Petroleum Royalties $ 577 million

    Predicted Queensland Budget Surplus 2019-2020 $189 million

    Yeah………it’s such an unimportant industry

    https://budget.qld.gov.au/files/4.%20Revenue.pdf

  114. November 7, 2019 7:15 pm

    Yes…Care needs to be taken to avoid Labor becoming a grievance-focused organisation

    In other words, stop pandering to the whingers

  115. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 7, 2019 7:28 pm

    Look at a graph of domestic market share and sales, no one wanted Camrys, Falcons and Commodores.

    Exactly, auto industry died because for whatever reason people stopped buying aussie made cars. Also it shows the way we gave subsidies does not work. They got all the money they asked for and all they did was make cars nobody wanted to buy.

    Perhaps subsidies should have been tied to performance. If locally made product increases in market share you get a little more money or something like that.

  116. November 8, 2019 12:32 am

    we “don`t subscribe to Netflix, Foxtel or other pay-for-garbage” The reb household seems to be copying the bagz household on this little matter. (-:

    ~

    This but,but,but, from my abc is kind`a funny.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-07/labor-election-review-blames-loss-on-bill-shorten-unpopularity/11678324

  117. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 8:19 am

    LOL it’s so simple really

    I think you are referring to the media narrative.

  118. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 8:27 am

    Findings
    Chapter 1: Why did Labor lose?
    Finding 1: Labor did not settle on a persuasive strategy for winning the election.
    Finding 2: No formal campaign committee was established, creating no forum for formulating
    an effective strategy or for receiving reports evaluating progress against the strategy.
    Finding 3: Labor did not craft a simple narrative that unified its many policies.
    Finding 4: Labor’s campaign lacked a culture and structure that encouraged dialogue
    and challenge, which led to the dismissal of warnings from within the Party about the
    campaign’s direction.
    Finding 5: Labor failed to campaign sufficiently and consistently on reasons to vote
    against the Coalition.
    Finding 6: Labor targeted too many seats, such that resources were spread too thinly and
    the campaign’s impact was diluted.
    Finding 7: Labor’s election campaign did not adapt to the new Liberal leader and his
    reframing of the election as a choice between himself and Bill Shorten.
    Finding 8: Bill Shorten’s unpopularity contributed to the election loss.
    https://alp.org.au/media/2043/alp-campaign-review-2019.pdf

    What number do ya reckon the media will latch onto?

  119. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 8:37 am

    Those facts wouldn’t suit the ScoMo=Bad narrative, ToM.

    Of course, it’s a Labors fault (you know, the ones who have been in opposition for the past 6 or so years), or is it just all Shortens fault?

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/housing-crisis-confirms-australias-economy-tanking-alone-in-the-developed-world/

  120. Tony permalink
    November 8, 2019 8:37 am

    Findings

    But, but they don’t mention the media. TomR assured us it was all the media’s fault.

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 8:40 am

    I think those findings suggest that the ALP (in developing its campaign strategy) spent too much time listening to people like Tom R and TB.

    It might have had a better chance of it listened to people like me.

  122. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 8:57 am

    But, but they don’t mention the media.

    Try clicking the link before spouting of tony 😉

  123. Walrus permalink
    November 8, 2019 9:05 am

    Great news for the LNP

    Bill Shorten is planning a comeback…………………

    “Were the universe to grant reruns, I would campaign with fewer messages, more greatly emphasise the job opportunities in renewable energies and take a different position on franking credits,”

    “I’m personally committed to continue contributing in public life, serving my constituents, the people of Australia — including people with disabilities and the vulnerable — for the next 20 years.”

  124. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 9:25 am

    Bill Shorten is planning a comeback…

    It’s irrelevant who’s there. If Shorten wasn’t there, they’d (lnp’s media lapdogs) play ‘leadership challenge’ with [pick a name]

  125. Tony permalink
    November 8, 2019 9:33 am

    Try clicking the link before spouting of tony 😉

    Yeah, I’m not reading it. But I’m sure if they blame the media you’d be quoting them. So …

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 9:36 am

    I didn’t see a finding that was “blame the media”

    But there are plenty about muddled messages, incoherent planning etc

    As well as not being a party of grievances (ie whingers) and that means it should stop listening to people like TB and Tom R who routinely fail to see anything positive in the direction of Australian society

  127. Walrus permalink
    November 8, 2019 10:09 am

    The Brompton report commissioned by Michael O’Connor, now CFMEU national secretary, following Labor’s 2004 loss under Mark Latham.

    “There was a time when our unambiguous defence of workers’ jobs and their livelihoods was seen as progressive, admired and respected, ………….”

    “What has changed over this period is the people running the Labor Party machine — the apparatchiks, advisers and politicians — are no longer attuned to the basic aspirations of honest working men and women but sing to a completely misguided (and electorally wrong) tune that seeks to appease the unappeasable………………..”

    “They place their faith … in the shallow and cheap propaganda of a wealthy, inner-city elite which has a barely concealed contempt for a bunch of workers from the bush or outer suburbs…………………”

    “Until such time as the Labor Party machine realises that they have a fundamental disconnection with large sections of mainstream Australia, they will continue to face electoral isolation. If they do not address this problem, Labor could face a period of opposition equivalent to the lost years of the 1950s and 60s…………….”

  128. Tony permalink
    November 8, 2019 10:26 am

    “They place their faith … in the shallow and cheap propaganda of a wealthy, inner-city elite

    Not much has changed then.

    #slowlearners

  129. November 8, 2019 10:48 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  130. November 8, 2019 11:47 am

    On telly l heard somebody say blib stooten is intending to be in politics (l-assume-fed) for 20-years. lf that`s the case, l think that 50s, 60s, `wilderness` quote will become true again blubbers. The dishwaters seem oblivious that its a numbers game. ln the near future l am going recount the seats and re-figure out how many in-play seats there are. The last time l counted them up was just before the first blib stooten run.

  131. ivi permalink
    November 8, 2019 12:10 pm

    (Mission accomplished: not even a SC from the AEC can detect anything intrinsically wrong, for Australian democracy, in parsing-off.)

  132. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 1:01 pm

    Free Speech Warriors, nows the time to brush ya weapons off

  133. Tony permalink
    November 8, 2019 1:13 pm

    WTF are you talking about? I don’t watch that crap, but if I wanted to see that episode here it is:

    https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2019-04-11/11646878

  134. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 1:23 pm

    It’s been taken off Iview, guessing they haven’t got around to that

  135. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 1:26 pm

    I didn’t see a finding that was “blame the media”

    (btw, I “assured” you it was mostly palmers fault (you know, facts n all 😉 ))

    :Finding 50: The magnitude of Clive Palmer’s expenditure crowded out Labor’s advertising
    in broadcast, print and digital media.
    : While many media outlets were hostile to
    Labor’s attempts to talk about the Government
    :Did Labor lose because of powerful vested interests in Clive Palmer? The entry of Palmer
    as a high-wealth individual willing to outspend the entire Labor Party was a new factor in
    2019. However, whether in 2022 it is Palmer, another conservative high-wealth individual or
    conservative media outlet hostile to Labor, Labor’s task is to win the next election in spite
    of wealthy opponents, rather than taking the easy path of blaming them for a further loss.
    We do, however, recommend Labor pursue measures to prevent high-wealth individuals
    essentially buying elections, as this represents a threat to our democracy.
    :What role did Clive Palmer play?
    Following a preference deal with the Coalition, Clive Palmer dovetailed his $70 million
    advertising spend with the Liberal Party’s in the final two weeks of the campaign, moving
    his attack to Bill Shorten as “Shifty Shorten” and, in Western Australia, to a bizarre claim
    the McGowan Government sold an airport to China for $1.00.
    Palmer’s advertising blitz strongly amplified the Coalition’s anti-Labor message to
    economically insecure, low-income voters. In focus groups of soft voters, Palmer was
    described in the most derogatory terms, helping explain the poor vote he and his party
    received, but his blitz against Shorten took its toll on Shorten’s leadership standing.
    Finding 40: The large size and targeted nature of Clive Palmer’s campaign
    had a significant negative effect on Bill Shorten’s popularity and on Labor’s
    primary vote.
    The emergence on the Australian political scene of high-wealth individuals who deploy
    substantial financial resources to influence the outcome of elections must be resisted.
    Money can distort democracy. A policy response from Labor should be pursued despite the
    difficulty of success in this Parliament.
    As occurred in the 2016 US election, social media platforms were used in the 2019
    Australian federal election to carry messages that were entirely untrue, best exemplified
    by references to a death tax and Palmer’s claim the McGowan Government sold an airport
    to China for $1.00. Unchecked, this practice is likely to feature more prominently in future
    federal elections.
    We recommend spending caps and truth in political advertising legislation based on the
    South Australian model be investigated and pursued in the Australian Parliament. Reforms
    to electoral laws are further discussed in Chapter 10.
    (there’s another 4 or 5 pages dedicated to this fyi 😉 )

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 2:31 pm

    : While many media outlets were hostile to
    Labor’s attempts to talk about the Government

    Do is there any further justification for this in the report? How many pages is it again?

    But the ABC tends to lean left, and no one in Victoria hears about Alan Jones’s comments. Do they blame him too?

  137. November 8, 2019 2:35 pm

    Clive is getting way too much credit. The dishwaters didn`t lose a single deep red seat like moonee fcuking ponds. The only (if-any) influence clive may have had was in the (15)in-play seats. The (68)dud-leader poles were always spot-on. (but,but,but,)

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 2:37 pm

    Free Speech Warriors, nows the time to brush ya weapons off

    No worries, as long a free speech also applies to the RWNJs and people that express a sincere religious belief.

    Would you have a problem with that?

  139. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 2:46 pm

    But the ABC tends to lean left

    yer on drugs dude

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 2:56 pm

    Who are the right leaning commentators on the ABC? I must have missed them.

  141. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 3:09 pm

    Have you seen probyn or fran kelly, just to start. And uhlmann was there for a long time. I’ve stopped watching, so not sure what other sycophants they have, these are just the ones I know off the top of my head

    Of course, let’s not forget the libs proven political interference

  142. Tony permalink
    November 8, 2019 3:18 pm

    Fran Kelly, self-declared global warming activist, is right-leaning? Bwahahahahahah

  143. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 3:20 pm

    is right-leaning?

    I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that. But definitely right loving 😉

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 3:22 pm

    Fran Kelly is conservative??

    Are you joking?? She give the Greens (particularly) the softest interviews. I think the write the questions for her!

    Andrew Probyn sounds like he’s right in the Liberal’s pocket!!
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Probyn#Political_views_and_complaints

    And Ulhmann… Yes which ABC program is he on?

    I don’t think there are any conservatives.

  145. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 3:35 pm

    fran kelly is a lib lover for years, try and listen to the morning news, where she massages lib ministers, and treats Labor as if they were the grubmint, probyn repeats government lines like they are gospel (yea, who’d have thought right wingers would complain for people saying the bleeding obvious) and uhlman was the lead for their premier news segment for years, Tom of Memoryhole

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 3:43 pm

    I think you’re joking because the ABC leans left.
    Much the same way public servants do.

    People that are attached to the public teat prefer political parties that are less austere with public finances.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 3:49 pm

    And what a surprise, from your link…

    So if anything, Dick, the ABC has been bullied into a bias toward the status quo. In the media profession, this counts as a right-wing bias

    So the evidence according to your link is that the ABC is even handed about the status quo!! And that’s a right wing bias!!

    Yes, I’m sure that’s both evidence and logical according to the left!!

  148. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2019 3:59 pm

    People that are attached to the public teat

    yea, like that little shack on Kangaroo Island 😉

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2019 4:28 pm

    I don’t know much about Kangaroo Island, but if the best you can do to come up with evidence of right wing bias is… a left wing article complaining that the ABC isn’t as overt in its push for change from the status quo… you’ll have to excuse me while I LOL!!

  150. Omega`Teabag permalink
    November 10, 2019 1:39 am

    So on the 50th anniversary of that grand slam year it would ordinarily be fitting to honour Margaret Court. Sadly for her, there are questions. Indeed, I can’t help feeling that if her past comments about our LGBT brothers and sisters were a little kinder, things might be very different for her now.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/how-tragic-that-margaret-court-s-dogged-tenacity-is-now-her-undoing-20191107-p538dn.html

    @-Let the hypocrisy Flow! .. Let the bleating Begin!

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    November 10, 2019 10:39 am

    So who’s writing ToM’s comments these days? I wonder.

    Do is there any further justification for this in the report?

    She give the Greens (particularly) the softest interviews.

    Andrew Probyn sounds like he’s right in the Liberal’s pocket!!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re: Court – anyone who demands recognition should simply be ignored.

  152. Omega`Teabag permalink
    November 10, 2019 11:52 am

    So blib stooten “It is my intention to try and be in public life for the next 20 years” will be haunting the teams run for the next 20-years. Still not fcuking learning. Even pauline gets it.

    l quite enjoy watching the fools derail their own gravy train on behalf of their imaginary friend.

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 10, 2019 1:37 pm

    Yes TB, it’s dropped off a bit since I’ve stopped using San actual keyboard! What’s your excuse?

    But what do you think about the recommendation that the ALP listens less to whingers??

  154. November 10, 2019 8:55 pm

    “Who are the right leaning commentators on the ABC?”

    Annabel Crabb
    Leigh Sales
    Fran Kelly

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 10, 2019 11:35 pm

    That’s very funny! But seriously… Who are the right leaning commentators on the ABC?

  156. Omega`Teabag permalink
    November 11, 2019 7:38 am

    There is a lot of tuncs on telly from bananaland, jonesland and california bitching about global cooling for the last couple of weeks.

    Too Late tuncs! .. That`s the three word slogan that has replaced all those other three word slogans you decided to follow.

  157. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 8:19 am

    Here’s that bleeding lefty, lying to a Labor pollie again, oh, and holding the opposition to account (with lies), while giving cover to the government.

    Bleeding LEFTIES!

    l quite enjoy watching the fools using poorleen to try and score political points. The bucket must be pretty empty lol

  158. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 8:21 am

    BAN PROTESTS!

  159. November 11, 2019 10:34 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  160. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 10:53 am

    I’m hoping that Indue card is photoshopped reb

    Maybe check with tosy and nil, they seem to be the experts 😉

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2019 10:55 am

    l quite enjoy watching the fools derail their own gravy train on behalf of their imaginary friend.

    And quote Pauline Hanson? LOL!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Brisbane looks like the Apocalypse … we live 20 clicks to the north of CBD can’t see the city for smoke – in fact we can only see for about two clicks … we’re ten minutes from the sea and a bit of breeze but the smoke just sits there … grass is now going grey and trees are shedding leaves …

    More hope and prayers? – or is this what the happy clappers were hoping for?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Bushfire aid hand delivered#auspol

    What marketing skill! Just the way he holds the card is a lesson in itself!

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2019 10:57 am

    Yes TB, it’s dropped off a bit since I’ve stopped using San actual keyboard! What’s your excuse?

    It’s not just the grammar but the childish turn of phrase you tend to use …

  163. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 11:45 am

    Maybe check with tosy and nil, they seem to be the experts 😉

    In my expert opinion it’s been … what’s the word? .. oh yeah, photoshopped!

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 11:48 am

    So half a dozen interrupted words from Fran Kelly is your evidence?? Hilarious!

    Have you ever listened to her interview the Greens? Soft and I think they write the script in advance.

  165. November 11, 2019 12:12 pm

    “Maybe check with tosy and nil, they seem to be the experts”

    😆 😆 😆

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 12:18 pm

    but the childish turn of phrase you tend to use …

    Apparently there are no mirrors in the TB household

  167. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 12:19 pm

    So half a dozen interrupted words from Fran Kelly is your evidence?

    It’s every single time yomm. But, for you, no amount of evidence is enough

  168. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 12:31 pm

    Thoughts and Prayers (but fuck all else)

  169. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 12:54 pm

    I see. So if the government had have met with the ‘Emergency Leaders for Climate Action’, these fires would have been avoided?

    If that’s not what Zoe Daniel (another ABC Green-left activist) is implying, WTF is her point?

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 11, 2019 1:05 pm

    So half a dozen interrupted words from Fran Kelly is your evidence?

    I doubt Fran votes for the Coalition. She would vote for the Greens. But I am not sure the ALP and Greens really like each other. What binds them together is their mutual enemy, the Coalition. Fran is an anti-labor Green rather than a anti-Labor Coalition supporter

  171. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 1:28 pm

    So if the government had have met with the ‘Emergency Leaders for Climate Action’, these fires would have been prepared for 😉

  172. Omega`Teabag permalink
    November 11, 2019 1:34 pm

    As you know tinfoil`osy; “its all about choice”. Just like gold-plated cockpits could have prevented sep11. Many of jonesland and boltsland bonfires could have been prevented, and that`s before the global cooling ramped up.

  173. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 1:36 pm

    these fires would have been prepared for 😉

    Ohhhhh. So the respective fire services, SES, ambulance etc don’t prepare for fires unless the government meets with an unofficial group calling themselves Emergency Leaders for Climate Action. Got it.

  174. November 11, 2019 1:45 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 11, 2019 1:45 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/rural-firefighters-heartbreaking-plea/news-story/602b8b84c7092a232fd6fdceecb37f86

    Smith said the environmental authorities who have a put a stop to reduction burns — which include controlled burning, mechanical clearing like slashing undergrowth, or even reducing the ground fuel by hand — “need to be held personally accountable for the losses people have endured. People have lost their lives as a direct result of the decisions made by the environmental authorities!”
    The firey ended the post, asking, “Tell me why these enviros shouldn’t be stood up in front of a judge and charged with manslaughter? Enough is enough!”

  176. November 11, 2019 1:47 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  177. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 1:56 pm

    ‘Emergency Leaders for Climate Action
    We, the undersigned, who are formersenior Australian fire and emergency service leaders’

    ‘Emergency Leaders for Climate Action is a project of the Climate Council.’

    ‘The Climate Council was founded in 2013 by tens of thousands of Australians to create a new, an independent and 100% community-funded organisation in response to the abolition of the Australian Climate Commission.’

  178. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 1:58 pm

    his concern we’re unprepared for this “uncharted territory” of extreme weather – ignored.

    I’m not sure how to highlight it more?

  179. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:00 pm

    wow, murdor found an angry old man from the bush blaming greenies for …………banning burnoffs?

    Welcome to #auspol 2019

    Except, wouldn’t it be better to present actual cases of this happening, instead of simply ‘fanning the flames’?

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:00 pm

    So can someone advise, if we shut every coal fired power station, all converted to electric cars, and became vegetarian, would we avoid these bushfires?

    Would a carbon tax stop bushfires? I’m all in favour of carbon reduction, but linking a specific event to climate change and then blaming the lack of government policy in carbon reduction is dishonest (I think)

  181. November 11, 2019 2:01 pm

    “Ohhhhh. So the respective fire services, SES, ambulance etc don’t prepare for fires unless the government meets with an unofficial group calling themselves Emergency Leaders for Climate Action. Got it.”

    Richard Thornton, the chief executive of the Bushfire and Natural Hazards Cooperative Research Centre, did this very successfully on Monday. He was asked whether now was an appropriate time to talk about climate change. Thornton said: “It’s always a good time to have a conversation around … what the impacts of climate change are going to be.”

    He said it was too early to say definitively these particular fires were the result of climate change, but “what we are seeing, and what we do know, is fire seasons are starting earlier”.

    “We know that cumulatively over the length of the fire season, there is a higher amount of fire danger during those times, so we’ve got a 1C increase in temperature over the long-term averages.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/11/dear-michael-mccormack-the-only-raving-lunatics-are-those-not-worrying-about-climate-change

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:09 pm

    So…is he saying that if we eliminated all carbon emissions we’d have avoided the fires?

  183. November 11, 2019 2:20 pm

    Is he saying if we didn’t, they’d just be the same as in the past?

  184. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:22 pm

    That’s a trick question ToM. It contains logic.🤣

  185. November 11, 2019 2:31 pm

    Oh look, a furry thing…

  186. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:39 pm

    is he saying that if we eliminated all carbon emissions we’d have avoided the fires?

    Perhaps he’s sayin that, if we’d listened to scientists in the first place 20 fucken years ago, it would not be so bad now.

    And if we don’t listen to scientists NOW, in 20 years, it’s just gonna be fucken worst.

    What is it with the stoopid, that you need to advertise it so loudly?

  187. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:46 pm

    What I don’t get is if there’s such a climate emergency, why don’t activists have protest 24/7 outside every Chinese embassy in the world.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nG84N4AFOzxFgX8X1iM70tOND2w7hwQ_4aAUPyJLXMk/htmlview

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:48 pm

    Fine, so if 20 years ago Australia had reduced carbon emissions to zero, would we have avoided these bushfires?

  189. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:50 pm

    if 20 years ago Australia had reduced carbon emissions to zero, would we have avoided these bushfires?

    You mean these ones now?

    Sorry, just trying to gauge where the stoopid stops, and moron begins

  190. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 2:57 pm

    why don’t activists have protest 24/7 outside every Chinese embassy in the world.

    We can’t even do it here ffs.

    Or is it fine that we are worst than China?

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:01 pm

    The stupidity is trying to link a specific, current bushfire with a specific policy of the federal government.

    And just calling it stupidity is probably kind

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:06 pm

    …if only we still had Gillard as PM, and the price on carbon, we would have avoided these tragic bushfires.

    I must let my friends in California know that their terrible fires are Abbott’s fault.

  193. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:06 pm

    The stupidity is trying to link a specific, current bushfire with a specific policy of the federal government.

    The stupidity is ignoring that they are not linking it to a specific fire, but that fires specific intensity

    The stupidity is thinking this grubmint has a policy. It’s related to decades of the libs doing all they can to stop any action, and succeeding.

    Hence, we have these ‘unprecedented’ events.

    And of course, it’s a world wide effort, that the entire world is failing at. But, that doesn’t remove our leading role in … going backwards

    Shit, even bolt gave up these stupid arguments a decade ago … didn’t he?

  194. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:07 pm

    Or is it fine that we are worst than China?

    In what way are we worse than China? This’ll be good …

  195. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:16 pm

    In what way are we worse than China?

    lol, the fact that we are at the point of ‘are we worst’ should be enough for you.

    At least they don’t pretend to be a free democracy. Yet here, the country who wants to protect pedophile organisations under the banner of ‘free speech’, won’t allow signs pleading for climate action.

  196. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:24 pm

    lol, the fact that we are at the point of ‘are we worst’ should be enough for you.

    I’m not at that point at all. China has 1032 coal fired power plants and another 202 in production. We have 20. Who is the worst emitter?

    No worries though, they don’t even pretend to be a free democracy. All good. We’ll just destroy our economy to no effect. And I haven’t even mentioned India.

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:33 pm

    Hence, we have these ‘unprecedented’ events.

    I’ll be sure to let my friends in California know, because I think they probably blame Trump for their fires

  198. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:33 pm

    Who is the worst emitter?

    hmm, a country with over 1.3 billion people, or a country with under 25 million

    I’m tryin to Math it 😉

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:36 pm

    Yeah, because bushfires care about the per capita emissions

  200. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:37 pm

  201. November 11, 2019 3:38 pm

    “”Sorry, just trying to gauge where the stoopid stops, and moron begins””

    It’s hard to tell, I agree…

    On a scale of Pauline Hanson to Michael McCormack, I’d say it’s currently sitting at somewhere around Barnaby Joyce.

    Speaking of Pauline, what ever happened to James Ashby?

  202. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:39 pm

    So this climate emergency youse have been talking about. Not really an emergency emergency then. Otherwise you’d be freaking out over China’s emissions. It’s almost like it’s just political or something.

  203. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:42 pm

    If anyone tells you, “This is part of a normal cycle” or “We’ve had fires like this before”, smile politely and walk away, because they don’t know what they’re talking about.
    ….
    Warmer, drier conditions with higher fire danger are preventing agencies from conducting as much hazard reduction burning – it is often either too wet, or too dry and windy to burn safely. Blaming “greenies” for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/this-is-not-normal-what-s-different-about-the-nsw-mega-fires-20191110-p5395e.html

    Ignorance cannot be the excuse, so what is it (I’m sticking with Stoopid for now)

  204. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:44 pm

    Otherwise you’d be freaking out over China’s emissions.

    LOOK ……….. OVER THERE!

    On a scale of Pauline Hanson to Michael McCormack, I’d say it’s currently sitting at somewhere around Barnaby Joyce.

    lol

  205. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 3:50 pm

    LOOK ……….. OVER THERE!

    Which is exactly what that is.

    I’m trying to work out where the evasion ends and the prevaricating begins.

    Plus, I’ll believe there’s a climate emergency when those that say there’s a climate emergency start acting like there’s a climate emergency.

  206. November 11, 2019 3:54 pm

    “It’s almost like it’s just political or something.”

    Yeah! Here’s another bloody raving lefty lunatic getting all hysterical about climate change!

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  207. November 11, 2019 3:56 pm

    “I’m trying to work out where the evasion ends and the prevaricating begins.”

    Oh the irony… 😆

  208. November 11, 2019 4:01 pm

    “I’ll believe there’s a climate emergency when those that say there’s a climate emergency start acting like there’s a climate emergency.”

    If only there was some sort of “scientific research” that could back it all up.

    🙄

  209. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 4:02 pm

    Oh the irony

    you spelted stoopid rong reb

  210. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 4:10 pm

    you spelted stoopid rong reb

    Gee you got me there. What a witty retort.

  211. November 11, 2019 4:22 pm

    Oh noes… damn these so-called “experts**” with their “facts”***…

    The link between rising greenhouse gas emissions and increased bushfire risk is complex but, according to major science agencies, clear.

    Climate change does not create bushfires but it can and does make them worse.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/11/what-are-the-links-between-climate-change-and-bushfires-explainer?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Why can’t we just believe people’s feelpinions instead…??

    **The Bureau of Meteorology, The CSIRO and The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

    ***Warning: contains logic.

  212. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 4:29 pm

    Yea, but why aren’t the damn Millenials stormin’ China reb!

    PROOF that it’s all a SCAM!

  213. Tony permalink
    November 11, 2019 4:38 pm

    The IPPC you say. On whose scientific input the Paris Agreement was based? The Agreement whose targets Australia is on track to meet? Then why are our bushfires getting worse?

    https://www.environment.gov.au/climate-change/publications/factsheet-australias-2030-climate-change-target

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 4:39 pm

    The link between rising greenhouse gas emissions and increased bushfire risk is complex but, according to major science agencies, clear.

    So are Australian domestic carbon emission policies able to address the risk or not?

  215. November 11, 2019 5:02 pm

    Good question ToM. I look forward to your feelpinions research on the matter.

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 5:17 pm

    Here’s my research.

    I’m currently looking through some gum trees to the ocean (there’s no surf), it’s a couple of hundred metres away. About 500 metres in the other direction, the Otways start. There are a lot of trees in the Otways.

    It doesn’t look to me as if a meeting between Morrison and some firemen back in May would make much difference to whether all this wood is likely to catch fire or not. But then some don’t see it that way, and while they’re entitled to their opinion. That opinion doesn’t make much sense (to me)

  217. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 5:55 pm

  218. November 11, 2019 7:35 pm

    “I’m currently looking through some gum trees.”

    Is Neil with you, or ToSY…?

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2019 7:41 pm

    What I don’t get is if there’s such a climate emergency, why don’t activists have protest 24/7 outside every Chinese embassy in the world.

    Thick or what? Heard of Tienanmen Square? You’re dumb “arguments” are so transparent I don’t know why we bother replying … but as we say in this household “you can lead people to thought – but you can’t make them think!”

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2019 7:43 pm

    The stupidity is trying to link a specific, current bushfire with a specific policy of the federal government.

    Because there isn’t any!

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2019 7:51 pm

    Ignorance cannot be the excuse, so what is it (I’m sticking with Stoopid for now)

    Hope and prayers … hope and prayers … and the Book of Revelations of course – to religious folk of Islam (and factions), Jews, Christian (Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic and all the Christian spin off (let’s make a quick quid) cults eg Hillsong) … the religious believers are revelling in this … and the political nutjobs are blaming each other …

    Its like living in an endless Monty Python sketch FFS!

    The.Climate.Is.Changing. … weather events (as predicted) – Are.Increasing.In.Intensity!

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2019 7:53 pm

    Then why are our bushfires getting worse?

    You have to be fucking joking!

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 7:54 pm

    I’m not sure. It’s likely that posting nonsensical comments that link federal government policy (or lack of it) to the bushfires meets the definition of “trolling”

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2019 7:57 pm

    It doesn’t look to me as if a meeting …

    Is that all you’ve got as an argument … “it doesn’t look to me?”

    Well outside my fucking house it looks to me that fires hundreds of miles away are out of control …

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 8:02 pm

    it looks to me that fires hundreds of miles away are out of control …

    Is that because Morrison didn’t have a meeting with some retired firemen?

    Or because Abbott got rid of the carbon price?

    Or perhaps firefighting has moved from a state to a federal responsibility?

  226. November 11, 2019 8:44 pm

    Or are you just retired and bored and asking a string a relentless idiotic questions looking for an argument just to keep your little mind entertained… ??

  227. November 11, 2019 8:52 pm

    Don’t waste your time/breath TB.

    It’s just not worth it… 🙄

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 11, 2019 9:01 pm

    In Sept, former Chief of Fire & Rescue NSW, Greg Mullins told #thedrum of vain attempts to meet with PM & ministers on #bushfires. His letters ignored. His pleas that we act now on climate, his concern we’re unprepared for this “uncharted territory” of extreme weather – ignored.

    Don’t blame me, I don’t post this type of nonsense that seeks to link the current bushfires with climate change policy, or lack of it, in Australia.

    As for retirement, it certainly beats working.

  229. Tom R permalink
    November 11, 2019 9:40 pm

    Are you trying to say that not meeting constituents who are concerned with the lack of a policy to deal with enhanced fire conditions is ….. a policy?

    Or are you saying jughjugf hgtyhgf gddfggyyg hfdd?

  230. November 12, 2019 8:11 am

    Know knead to Freak out. Since the 1950s Team-Physics has continually warned that primates can not endlessly pollute the world. The nose nuffings preferred to ignore Team-Physics and buy tickets for the global cooling roller coaster instead of spending on gold-plated prevention. Now the primates will take the ride.

  231. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 8:34 am

    If only there was some we could have foreseen unprecedented fires?

  232. November 12, 2019 8:41 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  233. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 8:46 am

    Never is WAY #TooSoon

  234. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 9:00 am

    Thick or what? … You’re dumb “arguments” are so transparent I don’t know why we bother replying … You have to be fucking joking! …

    Your ‘rebuttals’ speak for themselves.

  235. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 9:04 am

    BTW, I think you meant ‘your’.

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2019 9:20 am

    So, now with the benefit of hindsight, what would have been different if Morrison had met with the retired firemen 6 months ago?

  237. ivi permalink
    November 12, 2019 9:24 am

    (Your ‘rebuttals’ speak for themselves.

    “When you’re burnt, you’ve got nothing”….’cept smoking-gun-screens; pseudo-logical charred-strawman-arguments; and ritual thoughts’n’prayers abuse?)

  238. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 9:27 am

    what would have been different if Morrison had met with the retired firemen 6 months ago?

    perhaps they wouldn’t have allowed the nsw libs to take millions away from firefighters

    Perhaps they could have invested some money into buying the planes that we no longer can get from America, because their issues reflect ours.

    Perhaps he coulda started praying fucken earlier!

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2019 9:38 am

    Perhaps…

    I was under the impression that the links from you and reb were critical of a lack of government action on climate change as a factor in the bushfires. Have a look at the Zoe Daniels one.

    If you’d explained that it was about new federal government resourcing of firefighting services, the entire exchange would have been unnecessary.

  240. ivi permalink
    November 12, 2019 9:50 am

    (I was under the impression….

    Dear Michael. It is possible to do more than one thing at once.

    Perhaps multitasking has never been a particular strength of the deputy prime minister’s, and that’s fine, because juggling is certainly not for everyone, but I’ll venture it is possible for emergency services to extinguish fires and for politicians and various experts to speak informatively about the underlying causes of fires so catastrophic that they have been designated a state of emergency in the middle of November, not in mid-to-late summer.

    I reckon those things can happen simultaneously – both the analysing and the doing – without anything terrible happening or without anything fundamental being compromised.

    I think we are that clever. Truly, I do.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/11/dear-michael-mccormack-the-only-raving-lunatics-are-those-not-worrying-about-climate-change )

  241. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 10:04 am

    Kathryn Murphy:

    fires so catastrophic that they have been designated a state of emergency in the middle of November, not in mid-to-late summer.

    NSW Rural Fire Service:

    Bush Fire Danger Period and Fire Permits
    A Fire Permit is required for burning activities during the Bush Fire Danger Period. Fire Permits help ensure fire is used safely and minimise the danger to you, your property and the community.

    When are permits required?
    The statutory Bush Fire Danger Period runs from 1 October to 31 March, however it may vary due to local conditions. If you are planning to light a fire in the open during this time, you will need a Fire Permit.

    https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/BFDP

  242. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 10:17 am

    “perhaps they wouldn’t have allowed the nsw libs to take millions away from firefighters

    Perhaps they could have invested some money into buying the planes that we no longer can get from America, because their issues reflect ours.” – TomR

    Perhaps perhaps you should do some research…………

    https://www.nsw.gov.au/news-and-events/news/aircraft-boosts-bush-firefighting-capability/

    “It is the first time NSW will have a Large Air Tanker ready to respond to bushfires at any time and across the State. In previous years, this type of aircraft has been contracted from the United States during the warmer months.

    It is named Marie Bashir in honour of The Honourable Dame Marie Bashir AD CVO, the former and second longest serving Governor of NSW and the first female Governor of the State.

    The fully operational $26.3 million aircraft has a cruising speed of 850km an hour, drops 15,000 litres of fire suppressant and can transport firefighters.”

  243. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 10:20 am

    sigh tosy

    The NSW Rural Fire Service (NSW RFS) has declared the nine areas across the state’s north will commence the Bush Fire Danger Period from Saturday 17 August 2019 – bringing to more than 20 the number of local government areas which have commenced their bush fire season.

    NSW RFS Acting Commissioner Rob Rogers said conditions remain extremely dry, and with no prospect of good rainfall, the fire danger is increasing.

    https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/news-and-media/media-releases/nsw-rfs-declares-start-of-bush-fire-danger-period2

    It indicates the time to start being extra careful, not the time when catastrophic, UNprecedented fires are out of control.

    Mind you, we have already had, this year, a few months a go even, Rain forests on fire

    RAIN FUCKEN FORESTS!

  244. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 10:31 am

    Perhaps perhaps you should do some research…………

    And they didn’t rip millions from the budget?

  245. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 10:49 am

    sigh tosy

    Yeah, whatever.

    Major bushfires in NSW in November are not uncommon. There were those in 1944, 1957, 1960 and 1980, for example.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushfires_in_Australia

  246. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 11:10 am

    ffs tosy, you gonna start quoting Dorothea Mackellar next

    What part of “Unprecendented’ do you not understand?

    There have been numerous articles linked to explaining why they are unprecedented.

    A frigging RAINFOREST burnt down

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 11:16 am

    Don’t waste your time/breath TB.

    It’s just not worth it… 🙄

    Yeah, I know … it reminds me of the human life-cycle …

    … we pop out confused and surprised at what’s happening to us …

    …then find out that we don’t have to do anything, someone else takes care of us …

    … you eat on a regular basis – or when you whinge, piss and shit in your pants and someone else will clean it up …

    … then you get bigger and people expect you to take care of yourself, some do, some can’t, some pay others to do it for ’em …

    … at some time (not everyone’s the same) we reach the top of the life-cycle and go around the top and head on down …

    … we expect someone to do stuff – not you – get your meals – not you – sleep a lot more – what a happy life …

    … then get confused – again – (for some that’s a lifetime issue) …

    … then comes the incontinence pads, followed by who gives a shit – oops!

    Or you simply grab a surf board and piss in the ocean and on anyone who gets in your way … it’s their problem not yours …

  248. November 12, 2019 11:19 am

    “What part of “Unprecendented’ do you not understand?”

    😆

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 11:21 am

    And on our port side you’ll see a large iceberg … WGAF we’ll just ignore it and it’ll go away … where’s that orchestra? On the stern?

    It’ll be A Night To Remember … lots of hymns and prayers …

    BTW we’re planning for when it does rain again (bit of hope there – human not religious) and installing another 3000l tank … will give us a total of 11,000l (plus what’s in the two ponds)

  250. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 11:25 am

    What part of “Unprecendented’ do you not understand?

    I’ve quoted four precedents. Not my problem if you want to regurgitate green-left talking points.

    #educateyourself

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 11:26 am

    So what I’m reading here …

    … is that some commenters think that the climate is normal and we should ignore any thought of a global issue … and others that believe there is a global issue with the climate via increased CO2 emissions from human activity … and that there are some interventions that are available but not being engaged?

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 11:32 am

    I’ve quoted four precedents.

    Yes, you did ToSY.

    Here’s a part of that …

    Australia’s climate has been trending toward more bushfire weather over the last 30 years.[20] The Climate Commission found that “The intensity and seasonality of large bushfires in south-east Australia appears to be changing, with climate change a possible contributing factor.”[21]

    A 2006 report by the Bushfire CRC acknowledges the complexity of climate predictions pointing out “Much of [Australia’s] vegetation has a complex evolutionary and dependent relationship with fire. Fire has been part of these environments for tens of thousands of years and much native flora and fauna remains dependent on it in various ways.”[22] In 2007, a study by the CSIRO (the national government body for scientific research in Australia), found evidence that climate change will lead to increases in very high and extreme fire danger rating days and earlier onset of the fire season.[23] Other studies investigating the historical record identify significant changes in Australia’s bushfire season as a result of human activity.[24]

    Bushfires have accounted for over 800 deaths in Australia since 1851 and the total accumulated cost is estimated at $1.6 billion.[25] In terms of monetary cost however, they rate behind the damage caused by drought, severe storms, hail, and cyclones,[26] perhaps because they most commonly occur outside highly populated urban areas.

  253. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2019 11:40 am

    … is that some commenters think that… there is a
    carbon/climate policy that the federal government could adopt that would reduce the risk of bushfires in Australia….

    Although in fairness, they haven’t yet suggested that Morrison meeting some retired firemen would reduce the risk of bushfires in California.

  254. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 11:52 am

    I’ve quoted four precedents.

    I’m sorry, but none of them were this early, extensive, or extreme.

    THAT’S the unprecedented part you fail to acknowledge

  255. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 12:01 pm

    ‘ I’m sorry, but none of them were this early, extensive, or extreme.’

    Wrong.

  256. ivi permalink
    November 12, 2019 12:04 pm

    (Not my problem if you want to regurgitate green-left talking points?)

  257. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 12:14 pm

    Wrong

    How so?

    And, you think a link to a wikipedia site, that doesn’t even show any fires this early, this extreme (before the turn of the century anyway), dispels what multiple experts in the area have agreed on?

  258. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 12:15 pm

    wow ivi, took me a while, but I just got your grunt reference

    tosyhunt lol

  259. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 12:32 pm

    I’m sorry, but none of them were this early, extensive, or extreme

    The 1980 fire, for example, started on 3/11, burned a million hectares, and killed five people.

  260. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 12:55 pm

    “And they didn’t rip millions from the budget?”

    The $12.9m was capital expenditure for their brand new HQ. So not recurrent anyway unless you want them to build another HQ.

    Oh sorry I think I misread your initial comments. You must have meant this state government……..

    “QUEENSLAND’S Rural Fire Service has had its budget slashed by almost 25 per cent as the state moves into what is expected to be a catastrophic fire season.

    The state government has pulled almost $13 million from the volunteer service with just over $40 million allocated to the group in the 2019/20 financial year.”

    Like I said………..do some research

    https://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/story/6452760/sparks-fly-after-budget-cuts/?cs=4733

  261. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 12:59 pm

    From the Auistralian more common sense but from a Greenie

    “The greenies have a lot to answer for over the incendiary state of the Australian bush.

    This is the view of Michael Balderstone, hemp candidate, deep environmentalist and leading figure in the Nimbin community, which is now beset by fire.

    “They (greenies) own it,” Mr Balderstone said. “The Greens have to cop it on the head, they have been obsessed with no fires and no burning.”

    Mr Balderstone says the lessons from indigenous land managers have been forgotten.

    “The Aboriginals say it is country gone wild,” he said. “We were just blind to their knowledge.”

    The hills of northern NSW are ablaze with an out-of-control bushfire that, with an expected change in wind, could on Tuesday race for the coast near Byron Bay.

    Des Layer has for 30 years ridden his horses through hills now being ravaged by fire. For decades he has watched the structure of the bush change from what he says is poor logging and lax management.

    Nimbin resident Des Layer says he has not seen such a large fuel load in the national parks in his 30 years of riding horses in northeast NSW.
    Nimbin resident Des Layer says he has not seen such a large fuel load in the national parks in his 30 years of riding horses in northeast NSW.

    Before the area became ­national park, Mr Layer said, he would get permits to collect firewood from the state forests. Since the national park was declared there had been no permits issued.

    “It has just been building up,” he said………………”

    Yeah……… what would they know

  262. ivi permalink
    November 12, 2019 1:19 pm

    (Yes; I’m almost sure that freemarketeering reinsurers increasingly will be convinced by Malcolm Robert’s #homeschooled logics; I know I am; and I can barely understand how a basic wood-drying kiln turned up to 11, or 451oF, might function.)

  263. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 1:37 pm

    they have been obsessed with no fires and no burning

    I’m sure there is a link to back up that claim?

    I mean, the previous links put up, it has been forestry not doing it because, it’s too hot and dry, or too wet, to back burn.

    The windows for these operations are closing.

    Also, apparently gladys the perpetual liar disagrees that they cut funding

    who’d have thought.

    I recall other libs making the same claim

  264. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 1:50 pm

    Seems the empathy consultants were a further waste of taxpayers money

  265. November 12, 2019 2:07 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  266. ivi permalink
    November 12, 2019 2:12 pm

    (Seems the empathy consultants were a further waste of taxpayers money

    I quite enjoyed Teh Boris’s grinning like a Cheshire Cat while waving a mop around, too; but not quite as much as Teh Ronald’s tossing paper-towels around like confetti in a hurricane; someone should develop an obvious(ly-charming)-sociopath-at(-glib-and-superficial)-work scale, maybe?)

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 2:35 pm

    From the Auistralian more common sense but from a Greenie

    Commonsense/common-sense/common sense – is a nonsense phrase, often used to steer blame away from the issue … especially by managers and supervisors …

    The Federal/state governments are responsible for reduction burning and forest management … to my knowledge The Greens are not in power in any state or territory … (?)

    The current (pointless) political bickering, is an – “attack is the best defence” – strategy and does no-one any good … especially by the Nationals …

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/greens-policies-blamed-for-increased-fire-risks/news-story/bdf3d8ac083d06ba468f7135881f45b8

    As a firm believer in the efficacy reduction burning I also believe the best qualified people to carry it out are our First People … they know country better than any politician, bureaucrat, environmentalist, or amateur armchair experts …

  268. November 12, 2019 2:37 pm

    As fires burn across eastern Australia, the government is in textbook authoritarian mode, deliberately inflaming division and manufacturing outrage towards its critics in an attempt to divert from its own manifest failure to protect the regions..

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2019/nov/12/the-government-is-in-authoritarian-mode-and-now-is-not-the-time-for-complacency?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=soc_568&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1573528408

  269. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 2:43 pm

    It’s amazing that the party who has been in power for the majority of the past two decades is unable to stop a party that can barely get a vote in the senate from controlling so much of the cuntry

  270. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 2:52 pm

    The Hemp Party?

  271. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 2:54 pm

    From the Auistralian

    I think you meant Oistralian.

  272. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:06 pm

    This won’t be turned into memes.

    https://t.co/4bAA23ZfzQ?amp=1

  273. November 12, 2019 3:31 pm

    (It seems to be the correct week to tally(up) the quantity numerically of singed(-to-well-done) teabumpkin electorates across muppet island .. lf only we could find an accountant.)

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:32 pm

    I think you meant Oistralian.

    Dunno, ask Wally … he wrote it …

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:35 pm

    This won’t be turned into memes.

    No, just right wing obsession … build a bridge …

  276. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:38 pm

    Dunno, ask Wally … he wrote it …

    I was, you humourless git.

  277. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:46 pm

  278. Tony permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:47 pm

  279. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:49 pm

    “I think you meant Oistralian.”

    Why are you asking the bleedin’ obvious ?

  280. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:51 pm

    “….to my knowledge The Greens are not in power in any state or territory …”

    Local Councils are also responsible.

    Yes I’m looking at you Byron Bay and Blue Mountains

  281. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:53 pm

    “New Greta Thunberg Mural in San Francisco is coming on a treat….”

    Mmmmmm…………………there is a resemblance there.

    Has Putin ever dated Greta’s mum ?

  282. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:54 pm

    Remember how the Liberals “didn’t politicise” Pink Batts? Or the GFC? Or the 1,200 souls who died at sea fleeing violence and death?

    Regarding the deaths at sea. Howard had stopped the boats so problem solved. Then Rudd dropped our borders and the boats started again. In fact Labor/Greens say we should let boat people in. Labor restarted a problem Howard had solved. Labor encourages people to come by boat

  283. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 3:58 pm

    Yes I’m looking at you Byron Bay and Blue Mountains

    So, you have a link to where they didn’t do clearing burns because of ‘greenies’, and not because the conditions were not suitable?

  284. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 4:26 pm

    Well it is good to see that TomR and TB have a place of pilgrimage in San Francisco for their climate cult.

    Of course they will need to catch a fossil fuel belching aircraft to get there.

  285. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 4:36 pm

    “………..and not because the conditions were not suitable?”

    And that’s the point. They are always unsuitable.

    We have a rather modest cottage at Mount Victoria in the Blue Mountains. We don’t go up there every weekend but in the 4 years since we have had it there has been no fuel reduction in the council owned lands around 2km from us. We are rather elevated where we are and the only smoke I have seen of late was last July coming from chimneys

    And before you ask it is NOT negatively geared

  286. November 12, 2019 4:56 pm

    “We have a rather modest cottage at Mount Victoria in the Blue Mountains.”

    We used to have one in Blackheath.

  287. ivi permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:06 pm

    (lf only we could find an accountant

    Erm; isn’t Teh Accountant busy calculating how many Greenie( voter)s ‘most likely’ burnt to death; not that he’d want to do actual ‘body politic’ counts?)

  288. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:18 pm

    Climate Change creates arsonists too

    The Oztralien

    “A nine-year-old boy has been caught red-handed with a blowtorch after he deliberately lit a grass fire in Worrigee, south of Wollongong.

    The boy admitted to lighting the fire and police were able to quickly extinguish the small blaze. He was issued with a warning under the Young Offenders Act.

    The boy is one of four people who have been caught breaching the total fire bans in place across NSW.

    A 27-year-old man was caught allegedly setting a small campfire to boil water for a cup of tea at Fowler Reserve, Wallacia. Police immediately extinguished the flames and issued the man with an on-the-spot fine of $2200.

    In Prestons, south-west of Sydney, police attended to reports of a 35-year old man allegedly burning fence palings in a cylindrical barbeque at about 7pm on Monday. A secondary fire started after embers ignited a pile of palings, and both fires were extinguished by emergency services.

  289. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:24 pm

    Blackheath is very nice too

    Well we were could have been neighbours if you had stayed in Sydney

    Beaufort Avenue Mount Victoria near the Sunset Rock lookout

  290. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:28 pm

    Because global warming didn’t exist 4 years ago

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:43 pm

    I was, you humourless git.

    whooo … temper … me humourless LOL!

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:45 pm

    And before you ask it is NOT negatively geared

    Touchy, touchy? And modest too I see … wonder what modest means?

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:48 pm

    We used to have one in Blackheath.

    In Scotland? Or London? Or NSW? Specifics please … modest is personal assessment …

  294. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:51 pm

    Well here is another opinion

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/rural-firefighters-heartbreaking-plea/news-story/602b8b84c7092a232fd6fdceecb37f86?fbclid=IwAR00upXFSNGPvG2WxDnJvuppO7XlLfMo5-YkkkqhSbg9ipaoIsD_ktehI6s

    The “authority figures that have stood for environmental protection” over the past five years are “directly responsible for this devastation”, Smith wrote.
    “The fuel loading we are seeing out on the ground is ridiculous. We are looking at 5-10 years of growth, this fuel source is making these fires untouchable, we can’t even get near them to fight them…..Smith said the environmental authorities who have a put a stop to reduction burns — which include controlled burning, mechanical clearing like slashing undergrowth, or even reducing the ground fuel by hand — “need to be held personally accountable for the losses people have endured. People have lost their lives as a direct result of the decisions made by the environmental authorities!”
    The firey ended the post, asking, “Tell me why these enviros shouldn’t be stood up in front of a judge and charged with manslaughter? Enough is enough!”

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:53 pm

    Because global warming didn’t exist 4 years ago

    Indeed, TR, but the arguments did! 😉

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2019 5:56 pm

    Well here is another opinion

    I suggest you start at Saturday’s comments and work your way through to now … you may find that it’s no longer “another opinion” … in fact it is just that …

  297. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 6:12 pm

    “Because global warming didn’t exist 4 years ago”

    Global warming existed 2,000 years ago just like all the other great global religions/cults

  298. November 12, 2019 6:17 pm

    “Well we were could have been neighbours if you had stayed in Sydney”

    Indeed! Heck we may have even eaten in the same restaurant at the same time!

    You didn’t bump into the Glavonjics by any chance? (Friends of mine who also have a holiday house in Mt Vic)

  299. November 12, 2019 6:19 pm

    In Scotland? Or London? Or NSW?

    Blue Mountains TB, NSW.

    A lovely part of the world.

  300. Cut`Da`Wires`Teabag permalink
    November 12, 2019 7:00 pm

    Well here is another opinion .. Just exactly how many wireCo nodes were incinerated this week!

  301. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2019 7:50 pm

    Just exactly how many wireCo nodes were incinerated this week!

    Bit early to be playing politics isn’t it? But I have relatives up Taree way and they tell me they have had power failures due to the fires. And guess what? Labors NBN does not work during a power failure meaning the landline also does not work during a power failure. That was part of Labors NBN from the beginning.

    Most probably not a big problem as most people have mobile phones these days but who knows?

  302. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2019 9:52 pm

    “Indeed! Heck we may have even eaten in the same restaurant at the same time“

    We only bought just on 4 years ago. You were well out of Sydney by then.

    Before that we hung out in Leura but just too many wankers up from Mosman on weekends there

  303. Cut`Da`Wires`Teabag permalink
    November 13, 2019 5:13 am

    And guess what? .. the landline also does not work during a power failure. That was part .. of the zombie idiocy of chopping-up and sticky-taping; the old telecom telegraph wires; adsl; legacy rupert cable; optsus cable; and whatever other junk the zombies spent taxpayers treasury on; to fool 2gb`rs with big-connection numbers. There is good news tho. Next year, once wireCo cuts the old telecom telegraph wires to the bagz household, the bagz household won`t be keeping their 60-plus year landline. (also won`t be paying dial-up) Another Own-Goal. And as always, own goals are always Spectacular! Now Here is the Best bit kneel. l will then be Only using taxpayer funded internet access! (provided wireCo is actually working)

  304. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 6:21 am

  305. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 7:09 am

    “And that’s the point. They are always unsuitable”

    Someones finally getting it. The window available to cardigan clad public servants to safely conduct burnoffs is narrowing, which has been documented extensively in this thread. It’s not greenies, it’s the environment as it exists today.

    Not sure what’s changed though? 😯

  306. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 13, 2019 7:53 am

    . the landline also does not work during a power failure. That was part .. of the zombie idiocy of chopping-up and sticky-taping; the old telecom telegraph wires; adsl; legacy rupert cable

    Be really helpful if you could speak English but if I get what you are saying you are wrong.

    The landline not working during a power failure was always part of Labors fibre network unlike the old system which worked during a power failure

  307. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 7:58 am

  308. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:01 am

    Well someone is being misleading and based on passed experience it is ALP supporters. My earlier link

    The “authority figures that have stood for environmental protection” over the past five years are “directly responsible for this devastation”, Smith wrote.
    “The fuel loading we are seeing out on the ground is ridiculous. We are looking at 5-10 years of growth, this fuel source is making these fires untouchable, we can’t even get near them to fight them…..Smith said the environmental authorities who have a put a stop to reduction burns — which include controlled burning, mechanical clearing like slashing undergrowth, or even reducing the ground fuel by hand — “need to be held personally accountable for the losses people have endured. People have lost their lives as a direct result of the decisions made by the environmental authorities!”
    The firey ended the post, asking, “Tell me why these enviros shouldn’t be stood up in front of a judge and charged with manslaughter? Enough is enough!”

  309. Cut`Da`Wires`Teabag permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:12 am

    Local Connections “not working during a (Local)power failure was always part of AnyBodys fibre network” .. teamcheerer already dropped links ages ago that showed Labor was NOT going to chop-up other wire systems and sticky-tape other wire systems to the fiber .. if the telecom telegraph wire was NOT chopped-up by the zombies .. the bagz household would keep their telecom telegraph wire landline .. Fiber To-User has no need to chop and sticky-tape, imbecile.

  310. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:27 am

    Fiber To-User has no need to chop and sticky-tape, imbecile.

    Labors FTTP-NBN network does not work during a power failure so the landline does not work during a power failure.

    Changes made by the Coalition have made no difference to that. I think Labor was originally going to install battery backup for the fibre network but it was too expensive

  311. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:41 am

    so the landline does not work during a power failure.

    NO modern landline works in a power failure you idiot.

    And stop quoting one random cuntry bumkin who knows nothing about land clearing or the cuts to the public servants used to do it. It’s simply embarrassing

  312. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:47 am

    I can hear Lefty heads exploding all over the country now that Pell has won his right to appeal

  313. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:53 am

    “NO modern landline works in a power failure you idiot””

    https://www.telstra.com.au/support/category/home-phone/phone-line/can-i-use-my-home-phone-on-the-nbn-during-a-power-outage

    “If you have nbn Fixed Wireless and you keep your home phone on the copper network, then it will still work in a power failure if your handset does not rely on mains power. For example, cordless phone handsets commonly reply on mains power, and would not work in the event of a power failure.”

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:59 am

    NO modern landline works in a power failure you idiot.

    You means Labors NBN does not work during a power failure so the landline does not work during a power failure. Labor was going to provide battery backup systems for all households but that proved too expensive

    That was not the case with the old system which had a UPS. That is until ALP/Conroy changed it.

  315. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 10:09 am

    if your handset does not rely on mains power.

    Try and buy a new handset that doesn’t. It’s not an easy task

  316. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 10:14 am

    It’s interesting about Pell. I saw an article that suggested his application was likely to be unsuccessful because the court didn’t seek any verbal submissions.

    Apparently it usually does this if an application is likely to be granted- because it provides the opportunity for questions to both parties.

  317. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 13, 2019 10:30 am

    Try and buy a new handset that doesn’t. It’s not an easy task

    Why is that??

  318. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 10:39 am

    Why is that??

    Because they all require power to work

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 13, 2019 10:46 am

    Yeah but that not the case in the past. Furthermore I think you are putting up a smokescreen to cover the fact that Labors NBN does not work during a power failure meaning the landline does not work also

  320. November 13, 2019 10:51 am

    I have no qualms about Pell winning a right to appeal.

    I had the pleasure of having a rather lengthy and wine fuelled dinner with a prominent QC in Hobart last Friday night and have a fairly confident view of the full process of the court system.

    The ground level AFP not so much.

  321. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 10:51 am

    [blink]

  322. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 10:51 am

    Because they all require power to work

    Yeah I don’t think so.

    https://www.telstra.com.au/home-phone/handsets

  323. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 10:59 am

    yay, you found … 1

    “It’s not an easy task” 😉

  324. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 11:21 am

    “It’s not an easy task” 😉

    Depends what you mean by easy. It took me literally 5 seconds googling to find out that Telstra’s standard rental phone does not require electricity. And two out of four handsets they offer don’t either. Soooo hard.

    So both of your assertions are bullshit: “ NO modern landline works in a power failure you idiot.”, and “Because they all require power to work”

    Not surprising though. You’ve been wrong a lot recently. “UNprecedented fires!”

    🤣😂

  325. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 11:36 am

    UNprecedented fires!”

    That’s because nothing in your little wikipedia page resembles what we see now.

    Just because there were fires (wow, they’ve happened before) doesn’t mean that they are anything like now.

  326. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 11:56 am

    “ Just because there were fires (wow, they’ve happened before) doesn’t mean that they are anything like now.”

    The 1980 fire was everything like this one. And it started earlier. So cut the crap.

  327. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:11 pm

    By the way TomR. What policy could the current Australian federal government have put in place to prevent the current bushfires? What policy could any previous federal government have put in place to prevent them. What policy could any government ever – federal, state, or local – have put in place to prevent any bushfires ever?

  328. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:12 pm

    Listen up you bunch of fucking arseholes it’s …………………..

    World Kindness Day

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Kindness_Day

    Yeah fuck you too !

  329. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:17 pm

    Fuck of Walrus with your little Wikipedia page. It’s Fuck Everybody Day where I come from.

  330. November 13, 2019 12:25 pm

    Don’t you just love the way we all just ‘get along’..

  331. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:34 pm

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:36 pm

    I can hear Lefty heads exploding all over the country now that Pell has won his right to appeal

    “Lefty” … Micks and Libs will be pleased?

    WTF does “Left” have to do in the context of a peodophiliac catholic priest?

    +++++++++++++++

    Question

    If fossil fuels are causing climate change and we do nothing – it will get worse

    If fossil fuels aren’t causing climate change and we do nothing – nothing will change

    If we continue to use fossil fuels things may get even worse

    If we switch to renewable energy things may get better

    I’m not a gambling man … but I am biased towards renewable energy (and some self reliance) …

    Which path would you take … ?

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:37 pm

    Fuck of Walrus

    I think you meant – Fuck off Walrus …

  334. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:39 pm

    Just because there were fires (wow, they’ve happened before) doesn’t mean that they are anything like now.

    You are correct. Now fuck off.

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:39 pm

    It’s Fuck Everybody Day

    And I think you meant … “It’s Fuck Everybody Day Every Day, where I come from”

    🙂 😉 🙂 😉

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:41 pm

    I’m entirely willing to agree that climate change lengthens the fire season and that emissions are a cause of climate change. BUT…

    I find it entirely disingenuous when people politicise tragedy by suggesting that there is a carbon policy that could be adopted by an Australian government that would reduce the risk of bushfires.

    Because that’s bulls**t

    (***Brought to you by World Kindness Day)

  337. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:42 pm

    I think you meant – Fuck off Walrus …

    You are correct. Now fuck off.

    (Please disregard my comment before this one. My second mistake ever.)

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:42 pm

    Don’t you just love the way we all just ‘get along’..

    Yo tolkin’ ta me, Willis!

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:43 pm

    My second mistake ever

    LOL! Fuck off!

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:49 pm

    I find it entirely disingenuous when people politicise tragedy by suggesting that there is a carbon policy that could be adopted by an Australian government that would reduce the risk of bushfires.

    And I agree … ’cause deep down none of us really know … but its the old workplace “we’ve never had anyone injured before” argument … and a month later I’m investigating a LTI …

    And the time is not now … but it needs to be addressed …

    On another note those fireys (WELL DONE!) must be absolutely buggered now … and I’m wondering why Morrison hasn’t sent the ADF in yet?

    I remember firefighting around Singleton as a Nasho … in 1970!

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2019 12:55 pm

    Correction to my last comment – checked to see if there had been “call out” (never rely on word of mouth!)

    On Monday, the Morrison government directed ADF Chief Angus Campbell to give all military base commanders the authority to use local Defence assets and resources to respond to any local firefighting and clean-up efforts.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/defence-minister-preparing-to-send-reserve-forces-to-support-fire-efforts-20191112-p539zc.html

    (Please disregard my comment before this one. My 2000th mistake ever.)

  342. November 13, 2019 12:56 pm

    What if climate change is a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing.

  343. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:06 pm

    If Australia immediately reduced emissions by 25%, the world would be producing 99.8% as much as it does now. This is unlikely to make any difference to climate change and certainly not to the risk of bushfires.

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:11 pm

    What if climate change is a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing.

    Yes, I’d start with office workers and regulate – no heating above 16′ and no cooling below 26′

    They are more comfortable temperatures than people experience in warehouses, building sites and factories, and I think this temperature code should start with the public service.

    In fact I can’t understand why the public service union isn’t demanding this!

  345. ivi permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:12 pm

    (Not surprising though.

    Indeed.)

  346. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:12 pm

    This is unlikely to make any difference to climate change and certainly not to the risk of bushfires.

    My taxes, although meaningless in the big picture, are a major imposition to me.

    My taxes should be brought down to what major corporations pay!

    Better still. DO NOTHING (as yomm suggests), then I wouldn’t even need to dodge ’em 😉

  347. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:24 pm

    I’m not saying do nothing, because I think we should participate more willingly in carbon reduction.

    But it is absolute bullshit to suggest that even an immediate Australian 25% reduction will make any difference to the risk to the risk of bushfires. The Greens and others are dishonest in their politicisation of this.

  348. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:37 pm

    But it is absolute bullshit to suggest that even an immediate Australian 25% reduction will make any difference to the risk to the risk of bushfires.

    who has said that?

  349. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:44 pm

    No one has nominated 25% – I’m using that as an example. But the Greens are demanding immediate action in response, and so have some of the retired firemen

  350. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:52 pm

    Or maybe those links that were posted yesterday weren’t really suggesting immediate action on climate policy by the government in response to the bushfires

  351. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:53 pm

    I’m not saying do nothing

    I am.

    Global warming catastrophic climate change emergency is a theory or hypothesis set up in such a way so as to be unfalsifiable, therefore unscientific. (See little Wikipedia page here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability )

    And who says getting rid of fossil fuels will necessarily create a better world?

  352. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 1:59 pm

    But it is absolute bullshit to suggest that even an immediate Australian 25% reduction will make any difference to the risk to the risk of bushfires.

    It is bullshit to suggest if Australia’s emissions were immediately reduced to zero it would have any effect on bushfires in particular, or global warming in general.

  353. ivi permalink
    November 13, 2019 2:01 pm

    (I am…..

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.)

  354. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 13, 2019 2:14 pm

    Speaking of the NBN, I recently switched from Telstra to TPG for one reason only- cost. Telstra are very good but expensive. The package with TPG is $50/month cheaper. But I am on the NBN12 plan which gives me download speeds of 11.1mbps. And I have FTTP. So what is the point of fibre if my plan only gives me 11.1Mbps?

    People are interest in cost not speed when it comes to the NBN.

  355. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 2:49 pm

    It is bullshit to suggest

    I fear some wikipedia “science” is cuming our way 😦

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 2:56 pm

    And by the way, speaking of those using the bushfires for politics & demanding climate change action this was in an email I received yesterday from GetUp … quite disgraceful.

    This is what climate change looks like. And while the government tries to silence those demanding action – the bushfire season is starting earlier and getting worse with each passing year.

    Fire chiefs are calling on the Government to take real action. The head of the Defence Force has said natural disasters caused by climate change will strain our defence forces. Mayors in cities across the country are calling for immediate support, and a long term plan to tackle the causes of these disasters.

    Scott Morrison and other right wing conservatives are saying this isn’t the time to talk about climate change. But you can’t fight a problem without being honest about the causes.

  357. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2019 3:23 pm

    quite disgraceful.

    I AGREE!!

    Scott Morrison and other right wing conservatives are quite disgraceful

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2019 3:32 pm

    And the Greens don’t seek to escalate this or make some political milage, do they?

    Greens Senator Jordon Steele-John has refused to back away from calling Labor and coalition senators “arsonists” during a fierce spray on climate action.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/greens-senator-brands-major-party-politicians-arsonists-over-climate-policy

  359. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 3:37 pm

    Adam Bandt doing his bit.

    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/1f996c3d584a02d58322c766b8dd4e19?width=1024

  360. Tony permalink
    November 13, 2019 3:39 pm

    And why Victoria has been spared (so far).

    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/9c3433dffe52ba5501ad9feba788c635?width=1024

  361. ivi permalink
    November 13, 2019 3:39 pm

    (And by the way, speaking of those using the bushfires for politics….

    Honestly? Not today?)

  362. ivi permalink
    November 13, 2019 3:46 pm

    (I have no qualms about Pell winning a right to appeal.…..It’s interesting about Pell.

    Someone (in)subordinate – possibly a prolix, semi-retired, otherwise-reserved appellate judicial officer – made enough deliberate brainfarts to attract the HCA’s full attention?)

  363. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2019 3:47 pm

    “And who says getting rid of fossil fuels will necessarily create a better world?”

    What sort of idiot could even contemplate that a world without the ear piercing rev of the V8 would be a better world

  364. November 13, 2019 7:07 pm

    I agree. V8 is a most agreeable vegetable juice.

  365. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2019 7:55 pm

    What sort of idiot could even contemplate that a world without the ear piercing rev of the V8 would be a better world

    Certainly not my son! Took me to the local Bunnings this arvo – in his new Mustang … long time since I’ve felt a car like that!

  366. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:54 pm

    Ok as we approach midnight can I just say….

    Fuck you arseholes !!!!!!!!!!

  367. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2019 9:59 pm

    “Long time since I’ve felt a car like that!”

    TBs Doctor: ………………

    “Sorry TB I think you have……..

    “Long time since you have felt anything disease”

  368. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 7:03 am

    Some thoughts yomm can rail at

  369. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 7:23 am

  370. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 12:31 pm

    China’s getting out of coal, or so we are constantly being told by our moral and intellectual superiors.

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2019 12:46 pm

    Yes, China is fully committed to power generation other than coal!

    As of 2019 China is also building coal-fired power stations in other countries

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China

  372. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 1:05 pm

    Seems that the “Quiet Australians” aren’t so

    From that bunch of bleeding lefties at newscorpse their abc

  373. November 14, 2019 2:39 pm

    OMG. This sounds suspiciously like a boycott. Will Smirko declare war with Sweden in return?

    Sweden dumps Aussie bonds as country ‘not known for good climate work’

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/sweden-dumps-aussie-bonds-as-country-not-known-for-good-climate-work-20191114-p53agw.html

  374. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 2:53 pm

    “For the same reason, we have recently sold our holdings in bonds issued by the Australian states of Queensland and Western Australia.”

    For every seller there must be a buyer. Which means someone else wanted the bond yield more than the cheers from the green left. Net effect on those states’ bonds? Zero.

  375. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:19 pm

    “must” be?

  376. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:21 pm

    Another stunning contribution from the greens.

  377. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:24 pm

    “must” be?

    Yes, must be. How do you sell something if there is no buyer? Do you even know how the bond market works?

    “If I stop replying to you it’s because you are right.” ~ Tom R

  378. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:29 pm

    lol, I love watching murdochs winged monkeys winging it

  379. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:31 pm

    “If I stop replying to you it’s because you are right.” ??

    I see you assume that somebody wanted them more?

    Of course, they coulda got them for a bargain price because …….. nobody else wants them.

    Do you even know how the bond market works?

  380. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:34 pm

    And palmer used this to his advantage.

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:40 pm

    China’s getting out of coal, or so we are constantly being told by our moral and intellectual superiors.

    They also “believe” in Communism – should Australia follow suit?

    Nice to see you recognising your superiors … please let me know who they are? So I can send ’em a quick well done. 🙂

  382. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:42 pm

    “Facebook won’t take down fake posts about Sally McManus and Bill Shorten”

    What’s so fake about the inheritance tax post ?

    We all know that had the ALP won the election they would have needed Green support in the Senate and would have caved in to a new Death Tax to get that support.

    Its the modus operandi of the ALP. Deny then do

    Or have you forgotten the Carbon Tax or Peter Garrett’s “we’ll change everything once we get elected”

    A vote for the ALP would have been a vote for new Death Taxes.

  383. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:45 pm

    “Another stunning contribution from the greens.”

    Sherele Moody , the one making that claim has a job at the Evil Murdoch Empire.

    Rupert’s gone all Lefty

  384. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:48 pm

    I see you assume that somebody wanted them more?

    Somebody was prepared to buy them at a price Sweden was prepared to accept. A mutually beneficial transaction, or win-win.

    Stop embarrassing yourself.

  385. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:50 pm

    They also “believe” in Communism – should Australia follow suit?

    WTF are you even talking about?

  386. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 3:57 pm

    Somebody was prepared to buy them at a price Sweden was prepared to accept.

    Which could have been higher or lower. You made the assumption.

    Or have you forgotten the Carbon Tax

    You mean the one even peta cretin denied was? THAT ONE??

    Go on, keep embarrassing yaself

  387. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2019 4:04 pm

    Doesn’t matter Gillard promised not to do it. Even Kevin Rudd called it a Carbon Tax.

    We dodged a bullet that had “Death Tax” engraved on it on 18 May

  388. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 4:04 pm

    You made the assumption.

    It wasn’t an assumption. It was a fact: Someone wanted the bonds more than the cash they paid for them. Sweden wanted the cash more than the bonds.

    The states of WA and Qld are not affected in any way. They’ve already issued the bonds and will pay interest to whoever owns them. It makes no difference to them whether it’s Sweden or Fred Nerk.

  389. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 4:09 pm

    Doesn’t matter Gillard promised not to do it.

    So …. Gillard promised to what she … didn’t do …. ?????

    Someone wanted the bonds more than the cash they paid for them.

    How do you know this? They dumped them as a stand against something, not to make money

  390. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 4:17 pm

    How do you know this?

    It’s called a logical inference, something you seem to know nothing about.

  391. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2019 4:21 pm

    It’s called a logical inference

    Or …. an assumption 😉

  392. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 4:43 pm

    Whatever 🙄

  393. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2019 4:53 pm

    And this is the new level of stupid that the EU employs to reach their climate targets.

    Bunch of fucking idiots….

    “As they steadily wean themselves off coal, European Union nations are banking on wood energy, or “biomass,” to meet their obligations under the Paris climate agreement.”

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/3/4/18216045/renewable-energy-wood-pellets-biomass

    And as for Sweden

    “A growing proportion of Sweden’s energy is derived from burning biomass (wood), which increases CO2 emissions 65% and 285% more than coal and natural gas energy generation, respectively. And yet because governmental policy – not science – has (wrongly) declared biomass burning “renewable” and “carbon neutral”, Greta Thunberg’s Sweden is falsely credited with reducing its carbon footprint.”

    https://notrickszone.com/2019/09/19/sweden-gretas-home-is-rapidly-increasing-its-co2-emissions-with-worse-than-coal-biomass-burning/

    Bunch of fucking hypocrites

  394. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2019 6:07 pm

    “How do you know this? They dumped them as a stand against something, not to make money”

    My God you are cringe worthy embarrassing.

    I know TomR is actually the group name for a bunch of Leftists. No one person could be that stupid

  395. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 8:16 pm

    Just read in today’s Herald Sun (hard copy, no link): “Of the 48 major bushfires in NSW between 1926 and 2006, 11 occurred in October or earlier.”

    October! Not even November. So much for the current fires being “UNprecedented”.

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2019 8:18 pm

    They’ve dumped Canada too! What’s that f**king Trudeau Government ever done!

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2019 8:22 pm

    Its the modus operandi of the LNP. Deny then do

    Where have you been for the last six years … or is you memory so bad?

    Actually the LNP don’t do – anything …

    A vote for the ALP would have been a vote for new Death Taxes.

    Can you actually prove that?

    Or have you forgotten the Carbon Tax or Peter Garrett’s “we’ll change everything once we get elected”

    The Carbon Tax – as the Tony Abbott labelled it is now considered to be a way forward … as for Peter Garrett … fuck! quoting a simpleton … Rudd’s worst folly!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WTF are you even talking about?

    You really have no idea …

    It’s called a logical inference

    Don’t fool yerself we watch you try do it all the time … very illogical … do you know what oxymoron means?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    My God you are cringe worthy embarrassing.

    Or much smarter that you ?

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2019 8:23 pm

    than

  399. Tony permalink
    November 14, 2019 8:46 pm

    Don’t fool yerself we watch you try do it all the time

    Who is this “we” you rant about speak of?

  400. ivi permalink
    November 14, 2019 11:29 pm

    (It’s called a logical inference, something you seem to know nothing about.

    You might be right.)

  401. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 1:02 am

    You stalking me ivi?

  402. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 8:22 am

  403. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2019 8:30 am

    It’s simply the ongoing murdfication of their abc

    Used ex Crosby Textor to “source” them too.

    I’d say unprecedented, but I’m pretty sure it aint

  404. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 8:51 am

    What “measures could have been taken months ago” that Greg Mullins says would “make the firefighters more effective and make communities safer”?

    Serious question. I’m not even being sarcastic. I genuinely want to know.

  405. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2019 8:59 am

    fer tosy

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-14/former-fire-chief-calls-out-pm-over-refusal-of-meeting/11705330

    In a statement to 7.30, Mr Littleproud said the Australian Government contributed almost $15 million annually to the National Aerial Firefighting Centre and “is currently considering further funding towards this capability”.

    Imagine if they had ‘considered’ this months ago, you know, like when RAINFORETS were on fire 😉

  406. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 9:04 am

    Okay. More aerial firefighting capability would certainly help. Is that the “measures” Greg Mullins was talking about?

  407. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:17 am

    The group Greg Mullins is part of wanted a meeting to talk about new federal funding for equipment and the effects of climate change.

    The media (ABC particularly), the Greens, and some comments here, have tended to focus on their demand for immediate action on climate change – like that’s going to do anything to reduce the risk of bushfires.

  408. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:27 am

    😂 😆 😝

  409. November 15, 2019 10:31 am

    “The media (ABC particularly), the Greens, and some comments here, have tended to focus on their demand for immediate action on climate change – like that’s going to do anything to reduce the risk of bushfires.”

    Utter bollocks.

  410. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:48 am

    Really? What about this, from the ABC via a link posted here-

    His pleas that we act now on climate, his concern we’re unprepared for this “uncharted territory” of extreme weather – ignored.

  411. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:51 am

    That was the one specifically mentioned, but he referred to “resources” generally

    Meanwhile MILITANTS!

  412. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:52 am

    More firefighting aircraft is a wonderful idea. Why has nobody thought of it before?

  413. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:52 am

    More firefighting aircraft is a wonderful idea. Why has nobody thought of it before?

  414. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:52 am

    But I repeat myself.

  415. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:58 am

    Quiet Australians are quiet achievers

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1195074513974611968.html

  416. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 11:00 am

    Morey Bromberg! Lol.

    Justice Mordecai Bromberg found the CFMMEU, Mr Long and Mr Benstead had engaged in coercion and adverse action in their organisation of the work stoppage.

    “I accept that the contravening conduct on 22 April, 2015, should be regarded as objectively serious. The conduct was deliberate and, I would infer given Long and Bensteads’ long-standing experience as union officials, engaged in in the knowledge that it was unlawful,” he said.

  417. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 11:01 am

    *Mordy*

  418. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 11:30 am

    Yeah, it’s all utter bollocks!

    The ABC headline-

    Former fire chiefs escalate call for action on climate change

    I might get some of those apolitical and constructive Green quotes too

    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/worldtoday/former-fire-chiefs-escalate-call-for-action-on-climate-change/11703684

  419. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 11:46 am

    Utter bollocks –

    By the way, Greens Senator Steele-John (on ALP & Lib/Nats)- “no better than a bunch of arsonists”.

    Very constructive

  420. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 11:49 am

    If only ScoMo had met with those climate extremists the Emergency Leaders for Climate Action he would have found out it’s possible to have more firefighting aircraft. What a missed opportunity.

  421. November 15, 2019 11:50 am

    “The media (ABC particularly), the Greens, and some comments here

  422. November 15, 2019 11:50 am

    (You might be right .. Con Firm ationBias surely belongs to both Teams. While some LogCabin`rs have clearly abandoned first principles, and joined team (whether)Denial after 2gb econoBabble comforters, and AfterDark promises that corporates won`t feed (Their)baby primates into the grinder.(Yet.) .. Surely all the hopey, mitigatey, preventy, changey stuff the other team manageWaffles about, is `another` form of denial. There is know evidence that muppet island has the leadership `capability` (enuff-nads) within the duopoly politic, or the system will ever attract more than grubz`n slugz.)

  423. November 15, 2019 11:55 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  424. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 12:04 pm

    Well, I thought if you post a link containing the comment, it suggested support. Or am I mistaken?

  425. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2019 12:12 pm

    Appears “Quiet Australians” don’t believe in other “fake science”, like electric cars 😯

    Fyi yomm, greens are loons, in case you’d missed it

  426. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 12:43 pm

  427. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 2:13 pm

    “Premier Li Keqiang has re-emphasised coal as China’s primary source of energy security, and toned down the urgency of the low-carbon transition“

  428. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 2:18 pm

    China has 1032 coal fired power plants with another 202 in production – a total of 1234.

    Australia has 20.

  429. November 15, 2019 3:18 pm

    Correct .. And clearly a victory for baby primates in southYarra and kooyong too .. Also building 350-to 400 coalburners outside china by 2025 .. Which will burn for the next 40, 50, 60-years on top of the quarry they are plopped on .. Smoke`em if`ya got`em

  430. November 15, 2019 3:43 pm

    And people say there’s nothing interesting going on on twitter…

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  431. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 4:03 pm

    Loafers are perfectly acceptable, particularly when you don’t feel like dealing with the shoelace problem.

  432. November 15, 2019 4:10 pm

    I don’t know.

    I’ve been thinking of buying a pair, but I remain undecided as to whether they’re perfectly acceptable or just Wankwear™

    It’s a dilemma.

  433. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 15, 2019 4:16 pm

  434. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 4:28 pm

    Good one Neil. Nothing like hearing it straight from the commissioner’s mouth. No doubt he’ll now be called a partisan hack.

  435. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 4:30 pm

    I think penny loafers are fine. Horse bit loafers quite nice too. I’m not sure about tasseled ones though.

  436. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 4:31 pm

    No, boat shoes and loafers aren’t acceptable. They’re for dull and pretentious types. That look is very 90s

    Leather sneakers are ideal for mature, active types.

  437. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 4:42 pm

    Loafers were quite popular with younger men over the Flemington carnival, usually worn sans socks.

  438. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 5:01 pm

    This is the type shoe for dignified men

    https://runrepeat.com/skechers-relaxed-fit-elvino-lemen

    And it looked to me as if those blokes at the races without socks were wearing polyester suits

  439. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 5:07 pm

    But more importantly, which style is preferred? Single or double vent in a suit? Or (shudder) none?

    I’m a double vent man, and I noticed plenty of people wearing none and single at the races. Standards are slipping.

  440. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 5:15 pm

    These are essential with ones smoking outfit.

  441. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 5:20 pm

    Brogues are a good option for most non-formal occasions.

  442. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 5:38 pm

    Most of my suits have double vents, however I do have a dinner suit and a blazer with none.

  443. November 15, 2019 6:04 pm

    “These are essential with ones smoking outfit.”

    Indeed. Perfect for metaphorically sinking the crushed velvet slipper into the maligned underclasses while one sups on a brandy and cigar.

  444. November 15, 2019 6:06 pm

    BTW, I can recommend Herrings Shoes. The choice of reb of melbourne…

    https://www.herringshoes.co.uk

    They deliver to Australia within 10 days!

  445. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 6:20 pm

    Thanks for the tip Mr Of Melbourne.

  446. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 6:35 pm

    I bought my dinner suit over 20 years ago, it was expensive! And I just checked – no vent! How humiliating!

    I need a new one!

  447. November 15, 2019 6:58 pm

    My suits are sans vents also.

    How’s the embarrassment. 😯

  448. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 7:07 pm

    You would think Emilio Zegna would know a little more about style.

  449. Tony permalink
    November 15, 2019 7:09 pm

    Lol

  450. November 15, 2019 10:12 pm

    That’ll learn me for shopping at comme de garcon.

  451. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2019 10:20 pm

    https://www.realmenrealstyle.com/suit-jacket-vents-transcript/

    I think Antonio nails it !

  452. November 15, 2019 10:33 pm

    Without a doubt that is the definitive article on the subject, ToM.

    Where do you get this stuff from………..?

  453. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2019 9:24 am

    Yes, and this is the telling point – Whenever I see a single vent again, it immediately signals to me that I think it’s a little bit lower quality of a jacket

    No one will now be able to walk around the city without checking out whether men are wearing the low quality single vent suit!

  454. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2019 9:26 am

    Obviously little fashion sense in the comments above … oh, well …

    https://www.sportitude.com.au/p/new-balance-624-mens-cross-training-shoes-brown-suede

  455. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2019 9:35 am

    No thank you TB, but it’s great to see that you’ve progressed beyond the velcro straps

  456. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2019 1:01 pm

    No thank you TB, but it’s great to see that you’ve progressed beyond the velcro straps

    There you go again, ToM … making assumptions again …

    The model I showed is discontinued but I stocked up BTW it is real leather suede lasts for years!

  457. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2019 2:47 pm

    Controversial union boss John Setka has told federal opposition leader Anthony Albanese to “grow some balls”, amid the latter’s no-show at Victoria’s Labor Party conference.

    That doesn’t seem very nice.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/setka-tells-albo-to-grow-some-balls/news-story/6b50ec7a884e982bce6d2342ad302a9f

  458. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2019 4:02 pm

    Style and quality never goes out of fashion, does it TB?

  459. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2019 5:37 pm

    Style and quality never goes out of fashion, does it TB?

    So predictable, ToM … but … to correct you – again …

    https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/male-model-poses-wearing-a-safari-jacket-designed-by-tom-news-photo/506173899

    Short sleeves!

  460. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2019 5:40 pm

    Truth is I hate the fucking things … had a manager who wore the shit – every.fucking.day … a pisspot and the biggest twit I ever had to make excuses for!

  461. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2019 5:40 pm

    Even the “model” in your comment looks like a dork!

  462. Tony permalink
    November 17, 2019 11:10 pm

    😂🤣

    View this post on Instagram

    🤭😂

    A post shared by Brendan O’Neill (@burntoakboy) on

  463. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2019 8:47 am

  464. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2019 1:09 pm

    Scott Morrison condemns Israel Folau for linking bushfires to same-sex marriage and abortion

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/18/israel-folau-says-bushfires-and-drought-are-gods-punishment-for-same-sex-marriage-and-abortion

    They catch up eventually, I guess

  465. Tony permalink
    November 18, 2019 3:31 pm

    From today’s Herald Sun, pp13 (hard copy, no link): “The 1968 Blue Mountain fires started in September and raged for 68 days, killing 14 people”.

    The current NSW fires are not UNprecedented.

  466. Tony permalink
    November 18, 2019 3:32 pm

    *Blue Mountains

  467. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2019 5:49 pm

    Lol tosy

    And the climates always changed too

    Now you’ve shown you know more than 98% of the worlds scientists AND the firefighters, who’ll be next?

    Engineers? Historians?

    Lefties? 🙂

  468. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2019 6:09 pm

    Lefties? Chuckle … 🙂

  469. November 18, 2019 6:42 pm

    😆

  470. Tony permalink
    November 18, 2019 6:49 pm

    “ Now you’ve shown you know more than 98% of the worlds scientists AND the firefighters, who’ll be next?”

    WTF are you even talking about? Why can’t you just admit you were wrong. The current NSW fires are not UNprecedented.

  471. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2019 8:19 pm

    I’m just repeating what the experts in the fire services are telling us tosy, and they are getting their info from the front line, not cherry picked “start dates” from Wikipedia (which you ignore RAINFORESTS that have already been on fire, and intensity etc

    But hey, you’n’wiki know best 😉

  472. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2019 8:40 pm

    unprecedented
    -never done or known before.

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