Prince Andrew hails TV interview as “Great Success”

No sweating…that’s a good excuse!!

Pity he’s not king because that would cause an immediate republic!

How dare they not allow racist pricks into the country!!

And yet Labor are the ones who are called racist in our meeja because they want Australians to have first shot at jobs in ………Australia

go figure

So do we.

Really? Do you seriously think the 2 countries are comparable?

I’m saying perhaps have a look at this and then decide whether we should keep our mouths shut because we’re not perfect.

I find it concerning that the future only superpower has this record.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/china/report-china/

“So do we.

Should we ignore that”

Of course we should, and, while we’re at it, we’ll misrepresent what Keating said too

I can’t see that anyone here has misrepresented Keating. He’s advocating a more pragmatic approach to China, and in that context I don’t think he mentioned their appalling human rights record.

I’m entirely comfortable that some MPs voice their concerns about this, and I really don’t think it’s a media beat up (as Keating claims)

I voted for Keating (and the ALP) but it was the way unions stymied his attempts at reform of the waterfront during his last term that persuaded me that unions and the ALP would be better off with an amicable divorce.

And there I was thinking that a comment at 11.35 was moving off the subject. But that’s only a fact.

Things are going well. our pierless leaders want 60 year olds to retool (even though 50 year olds can’t get another job)

And, we can think back to the GFC as ‘good times’ (you, debt and deficit disaster time 😉 )

National household living standards in 2018-19 were actually below what they were in 2011-12, and this was broadly the case across all states. Only South Australia and Tasmania had higher levels of household disposable income per capita in 2018-19 than they did in 2011-12:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2019/nov/19/australia-now-has-a-one-speed-economy-and-that-speed-is-slow?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I think you have selective memory TB.
You were adamant that Australia was heading for a severe recession or depression, plunging property values, and share priced and mass unemployment.

I always said we can expect a downturn, but Australia would be spared the worst of it because our public debt was significantly lower than other countries.

You and John disagreed.

So rather than reflect that you were right, I’ll just say that you were way off the mark.

I also argued that our strong trade with China would provide a buffer to the downturn in other developed countries. But you disagreed with that too.

So I’m sure you’ll excuse me if I don’t agree with your self congratulations.

And why?

Cos hazards gonna be hazards

So what exactly was the GFC?

DENIER! (it was a northern hemisphere only event (just that a lot of southern hemisphere countries moved north for a while, while one actually had a Government prepared to do the right thing))

So I wouldn’t quite go self-congratulating your prescient wisdom just yet.

Stop panicking. our benephelant leaders have said the ‘stimulus’ word’, so all is good (not sure how leaking dribs of what was pulled out over the past decade is ‘stimulus’, but there ya have it)

Was he lying then or now?

I mean, both is an option, right?

when I was right!
😆
Thanks hazard, I needed that 😉

Without Labor’s stimulus, we would have been toast. *Assuming your claim is correct, Perhaps they were operating under the impression that the libs would be in power when this happened? 😉

“And I suspect John McPhilbin, like me, is keeping his current thoughts, low profile, considering the flack we got over our concerns with regard to our predictions about what became known as the GFC ”

Yeah and that was because absolutely none of your stupid predictions came through. You were out there with that nutty economist Steve Keen and his predictions of 40% property price crash, mass unemployment, plagues of locusts, crop failures, fires from the heavens.

You think we forgot about your crazy predictions ?

Your memory might be failing but plenty on here have not forgotten.

Thank Dog for China

Thank Dog for the Labor party

The Federal Government is immediately halting a key part of the controversial robodebt scheme, and will freeze some existing debts in what appears to be a major backdown in the operation of the scheme.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-19/robodebt-scheme-human-services-department-halts-existing-debts/11717188

They kept telling us it was fine, Until the lawyers come in, then ………….

“Last year’s worst-case scenarios came true. The global financial pandemic that I and others had warned about is now upon us. But we are still only in the early stages of this crisis. My predictions for the coming year, unfortunately, are even more dire: The bubbles, and there were many, have only begun to burst – Nouriel Roubini in 2009

“The DJIA hit a market low of 6,469.95 on March 6, 2009, having lost over 54% of its value since the October 9, 2007 high The bear market reversed course on March 9, 2009, as the DJIA rebounded more than 20% from its low to 7924.56 after a mere three weeks of gains.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bear_market_of_2007%E2%80%932009

Lets repeat that bit above “But we are still only in the early stages of this crisis.”

Keep quoting Roubini TB at your peril

See how effective the stimulus was. 😉

nil

fuck off idiot. Come back when you grow a brain cell

TomR

Also that was a Labor Party media release I posted. Robodebt was started by the ALP in 2011

First stimulus, now batteries. The libs are doing a 180?

Don’t know her problem is, plenty of time to watch the cricket now, it’s the ozzie thing to do.

whew, at least there’s nothing unprecedented about this 😉

Scientists and experts say that Australia’s fire season has grown longer and more intense due to climate change.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50483410

But wot would they know, it’s not like they can access wikipedia (or even detailed historical data that tells us more than ‘fire was hot’ ffs)

To all the fireys out there, keep your eyes peeled for falling scuba divers 😉

This is related to Prince Andrew in a non sycophantic manner 😉

“Markets doin’ well … again
Down 52.3 (0.77%)”

I moved my Super into a conservative option because I have a suspicion something bad is about to happen. I most probably am wrong and will lose a lot of investment returns if I am.

BUt we should have been running surplus budgets since 2014 but Australia did not want to do that. Shows you how great Howard was. He was handed a trashed budget in large deficit and was running surplus budgets within 12 months and with unemployment at 8%. Much higher than now

I was listening to the ABC earlier, the announcer said “experts have described the situation as unprecedented…”

So there was an interview with an expert who described the situation as “significant”

Then they interviewed another expert who described the situation as”significant”

Apparently the ABC uses “unprecedented” and “significant” as synonyms

18 warnings by experts since the Coalition was elected in 2013, all of which have been ignored.

Just as a matter of interest, can anyone cite a single instance where a public sector spokesperson has said (something like)- “we’re satisfied that the government has done enough” or “we don’t require additional resources”

Still they did a marvellous job of fucking up the NBN … can’t wait … and wait .. and wait … and zzzzzzzzzzzz

Personally I would not have touched it since it was labors idea but I am glad the Coalition did.

Labors brain fart on a plane flight in 2009 (after LYING in 2007) would never be finished and who knows what it would cost.

People are not even going for the highest speeds you can get with FTTN because of the cost. People drive the cars they can afford not the cars they would like to drive. Anyway there is a chance 5G will wipe out the NBN

but which countries do you think would have accepted our help?</i.

An unanswerable question isn't it.

I think you used the word “help”

But regardless of that, I think it is naive in the extreme to imagine any country, “little lone” the major emitters would give a flying f**k about our help or leadership.

The purpose of doing a bit more is only to make us feel a little better about ourselves.

Your point being?

My point is- people shouldn’t bother to say – “our inaction on climate change is a cause of bushfires”

Even if we closed every coal fired power station and all immediately switched to electric cars, we would face the same fire risk.

This whole thread is worth the read, especially for deniers in denial

Yes, there’s no public instrumentality that’s ever said – “we have enough resources and don’t require additional funding”

Not education, police, health, tax dept, Centrelink, welfare agencies, the ABC, government call centres…or firemen.

I’m not sure what your point is. If agencies saying the government hasn’t taken the proper precautions after warnings from across the experts in the field, is just agencies looking for more cash, then …. we should just ignore them all?

Of course they will always want more, but when they are pleading their case, with scientific evidence to back it up, and the government ignores them, and it turns out, the agencies were correct to be asking for more, then, who is to blame?

Even worse, if, as morrison now says, he didn’t need to speak to these retired chiefs, because he had heard the same from the current chiefs, then that’s willful negligence.

The buck stops where?

LOL Michael LIEbreich.

Gee he doesn’t have a vested interest does he………………..completely neutral.

You should quote Wiki.

how much do Australia’s emissions affect the global climate

The bigger question is, how much do Australia’s actions as a leader effect the actions other countries may or may not take?

We are currently at the bottom of the pile, and other countries look at us and say, why not, instead of looking to us and say, we can too?

One is not the same as the other.

Why not? Both are world issues. We stood up for one, and have run from the other.

“Here, I’ll try and educate you.”

LOL ……………..It’s a hopeless case

“Ahh, westpac”

What’s that got to do with tax ?

Anyway the CEO needs to go immediately as do any execs associated with the internal audit function and risk management/compliance management.

I get the feeling the other big 3 are now double checking their own internal controls

https://www.amyerson.com/faqs/what-is-the-difference-between-corporation-tax-and-income-tax/

LOL TomR gives us a link to a UK based firm of chartered accountants to prove a point on Australian Tax. ROFLMAO 61 Rodney Street, Liverpool,Merseyside, L1 9ER

And that definition is wrong TomR. Income tax is not paid on personal income it is paid on taxable income after allowable deductions.

To say it’s paid on personal income would mean a tradie would not be able to claim a deduction for tools, travel etc. Your definition makes no allowance for that

lol reb

What year are you reading your info from Tony?

Also, not sure where she mentioned the big four in her original article?

https://www.seng.org.au/node/767

Awkward\

Any year you like.

It’s kinda unfair to compare 2019 data with a story written in 2018 don’t you think

Can you highlight where she mentions westpac not paying the taxes in the banned story?

It doesn’t say they didn’t pay any tax.

fer you tosy, from ‘within’ the tweet

In 2015/16, among the top 50 companies, 17 paid no corporate tax, leaving just 33 to shoulder the burden. Between them, they provided just under $20 billion. This includes the big four banks and our two big miners and retailers, Woolworths and Wesfarmers.

Needless to say if they don’t make a profit or make a loss there’s no corporate income tax payable in that year.

We live in a deceitful world run by lefties when you need to make obvious comments like that.

[facepalm]

have a wrong good weekend 😉

And it looks like the articles we’ve been dealing with today are the rewritten versions.

I linked to a copy of the original back up thread Tony (which makes it difficult to know which one we are talking about, it is true)

But the simple fact of the matter is, there were no errors by alberici in the article. Some of the editing done had errors, and some people misrepresented her errors (one of the nine I recall was describing MYOB as a corporate adviser instead of a software company, which, yes, they are foremost a software company, but they also provide corporate advise, so, the errors were in fact in error.

And then there is the misrepresentation, as we saw this afternoon where it is claimed she said the big four paid no tax (I still cannot find this in the original), but the article you were referring to quite distinctly did not say this.

She never said that what was being done was ‘legal’, or outside of our rules. She was questioning the rules themselves. And, instead of defending them, the right wing, free speech warriors silenced her.

In fact, the only ones who had an issue, were the right wing conservatives, and their blatantly, and proven, biased and partisan hacks within their abc.

It was a totally correct and accurate article, and our oppressive regime shut it down.

China were drooling with envy. 😉

I’m a little late into this discussion, and I’ve had a bottle of red at a pleasant local restaurant. But… Media Watch says-
You can still see Alberici’s news story online, but it has now been drastically rewritten, and we believe it needed to be – to clear up the confusion between income and profit, to moderate the tone, and to get rid of gratuitous swipes

Yes, it sounds entirely accurate when Media Watch this way.

“ABC Senior Economics Editor”, if an undergraduate wrote that as a research paper, they would fail.

There is another thing to say about Emma’s comment. ABC employees are paid by the taxpayer and apparently Public Servants are not allowed to speak about govt policy.

I think they can chair a program and get people from each sides of politics to comment. But govt workers are not allowed to have an opinion in public. Is this right?

It is easy to tell Emma loves the ALP. Fine. She should leave the ABC, work for a private company and fund her anti-Coalition crap herself

I see GetUp is going to start a campaign to stop super finds investing in fossil fuels.

Get them to f**king mind their own business. Super finds should invest in a sny legal industry, and maximize returns for members.

What a bunch of tossers they are.

“””Perhaps you’ve heard of a little thing called the abc charter?
Yes, it has been abandoned in recent years, but not in the way you imagine”””””

Please inform me?? ABC people are paid for by the taxpayer so I am guessing they are treated like Public Servants. Right??

Same goes for the CSIRO. I remember under Rudd a CSIRO scientist was banned from publishing a paper on climate change. Not because the scientist did not believe in climate change but because his solution to the so-called problem was different to what govt policy was

People paid by the taxpayer are not allowed to speak against govt policy.I guess that applies to ABC presenters

That is a great speech.

GetUp should f**k off out of superannuation and leave investment decisions to professionals that are acting in the interest of members.

GetUp have already failed with their overreach.

Super funds already have an option for “ethical investment” so GetUp should just allow people to make their personal choices

Just as a matter of interest, why would any public company pay more tax than they are legally required to?

So that dividends to shareholders can be lower?

This is what got me banned at The Guardian yesterday. I made no comments but just posted this link from The Australian with a quote from it. It was deleted twice. The third time I posted it was up long enough for some comments, all nasty. They said Murdoch cannot be trusted and links to ultra ultra ultra right wing newspapers should be banned at The Guardian. Obviously someone complained and got me banned

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nation/labor-flips-on-robodebt-system-shorten-plibersek-pioneered/news-story/0a2bb18f5a6ab279073f6bcd36f712d7

Labor’s leadership team of Bill Shorten and Tanya Plibersek pioneered the “robo-debt” data-matching system Centrelink is using to target current and former welfare recipients for apparently not declaring their income properly — but they now argue it should be suspended.
The automated system of matching income data from the tax office and income as reported to Centrelink to identify discrepancies was announced in a joint release­ by the then minister for human services, Ms Plibersek, and the then assistant treasurer, now Opposition Leader, in June 2011, adding an extra $71 million to the budget. The release said the “tax garnishee process had been carried out manually once a year for the past 15 years and involved a significant amount of time on the part of departmental officers”.
“The automation of this process will free up resources and result­ in more people being referred to the tax garnishee process, retrieving more outstanding debt on behalf of taxpayers,” Mr Shorten said at the time.

Robodebt started in 2011. What falsehoods are in the link I posted? I posted it because all the lefties in The Guardian were saying it started in 2016

What falsehoods are in the link I posted?

The same ones I’ve pointed out to you numerous times you ignorant wank

The fact that there was no manual oversight

The fact that the onus was put on the recipient

The fact that there was no way to respond before being hit

The fact that all the stuff the libs put into it is illegal, not just in an immoral manner, but just FUCKING ILLEGAL

You stupid little prick

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-23/robodebt-scheme-political-disaster-why-government-is-ditching-it/11730090

(But Robodebt started in 2011

I still tend to doubt that NoS reads-for-comprehension.)

I posted a link from The Australian which you have not really addressed.

It says Robdebt started in 2011 BUT Labor had human oversight of the computers results.

In 2016 the Coalition removed human oversight of the computer. It was the next step which would have happened anyway no matter who was in govt

AFAIK the only change the Coalition made to Robodebt started by Labor in 2011 was removing human oversight of the results the computer spat out. That change was made in 2016

I notice in your ABC link Tingle did not even mention Robodebt was started by Labor in 2011. Gee that tells me Tingle votes Labor

An “Unprecedented” comment

An international security expert has described Australia’s fire strategy as ‘‘abysmal’’, warning that the nation needs to ramp up investment in fire-fighting equipment and be prepared for the possibility of terrorists starting bushfires to try and cause mass casualties.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/international-security-expert-slams-australia-s-abysmal-fire-strategy-20191121-p53cp2.html

https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20111114210628/http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/65939/20111115-0804/www.mhs.gov.au/media/media_releases/2011/06/29_june_2011_-_new_data_matching_to_recover_millions_in_welfare_dollars.html

Media Release:
New data matching to recover millions in welfare dollars
29 June 2011

A new data matching initiative between Centrelink and the Australian Taxation Office is expected to claw back millions of dollars from welfare recipients who have debts with the Australian Government.
Minister for Human Services Tanya Plibersek and Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten today said the new initiative will enhance Centrelink’s debt recovery ability and is expected to recover more than $71 million over four years.
Beginning on July 1 this year, Centrelink and the ATO will automatically match data on a daily basis as a way of cross-checking former welfare recipients who have a debt with the Commonwealth.
Those who are identified as having debts and who haven’t made repayment arrangements with Centrelink may have their tax refunds garnisheed when they lodge their income tax return.
“The Government prefers to work with people and provide them with flexible debt repayment options, rather than having to garnishee their tax refunds,” said Ms Plibersek.
“But if people fail to come to an arrangement to settle their debts, the Government has a responsibility to taxpayers to recover that money.”
Ms Plibersek said Centrelink customers sometimes incurred a debt with the Commonwealth because they either inadvertently or intentionally claimed a benefit they were not entitled to.
Mr Shorten said the tax garnishee process had been carried out manually once a year for the past 15 years and involved a significant amount time on the part of the departmental officers.
“The automation of this process will free up resources and result in more people being referred to the tax garnishee process, retrieving more outstanding debt on behalf of taxpayers,” he said.

but why the outright abuse?

Because, no matter how often he is told, he ignores the reality, and just keeps repeating the same stupid lie.

If he cannot recognize that introducing a raft of sweeping changes to a policy changes a policy, then he’s wither just a troll, or fucking idiot.

I think he’s too dumb to be a troll

Robodebt started in 2011. Read the media release.

The only change the Coalition made was to remove human oversight of the computers results. That started in 2016 and would have happened no matter who was in power. Computers are taking over more and more

Have I mentioned that there’s a christian convention going on in Melbourne?

Why didn’t you mention something earlier reb?

Do you have any suggestions about what might be done with those attending?

They could be forced to try and and explain simple concepts to nil?

Like, record numbers aren’t always …. a record in the way we wish

I mean, record jobs also coincides with …. record layoffs

Especially when many jobs make you re-apply for them every year.

It’s meaningless

WOOHOO

The fires are out!

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1198692063513993216.html

(Have I mentioned that there’s a christian convention going on in Melbourne?

Once or twice; but I’m giving the JW’s a pass this week; because my Mum had a nice, long chat about climate change with a JW, who shared her Sun umbrella, at the shops t’other day; so they can’t all be in Melbourne; even if, and especially as, there’s some awareness that we’re all in this thing together.)

Freaks aint what they used to be

I’m reading “Identity Crisis” by Ben Elton at the moment. It is absolutely hilarious! A satire about political correctness, and it is so savage, it almost makes m cringe!

Nothing is out of bounds.

Apparently Ben Elton is regarded as progressive!

42

42

🙂

Two to go! Years not gears …

Unless we’re locked into a continual descent into maelstrom

Playing politics with the elderly: 2016: cut $1.2 billion in aged care funding. 2019: put less than $600 million back in response to a Royal Commission. That’s it?

Unless we start making budget cuts the budget will be in eternal deficit. Govt debt was MINUS $40B in 2007 ie less than zero. It is now at $360B, an increase of $400B since 2007. What did we spend that $400B on?

Also the State seems to be taking over more and more. Shouldn’t children look after their parents? My Grandmother lived with her daughter and died in her daughters house

TomR

Do you know that after receiving Robodebt notices, 2,030 people died? And of those 2,030 they all committed suicide.

Anyway that is what is doing the rounds on social media

These people should get some advice from Paul Keating about how to get along with China

They obviously don’t understand

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/early-lead-for-hong-kong-prodemocracy-candidates/news-story/f3c5853790582d0ecae917cca0f6d856

yea, independent lol

the ‘daily liberal’ is right behind them

And, he got 50 people together, from a group of 69,000, that’s ‘representative’ I guess???

https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/817939/fire-group-rises-from-the-ashes/

What Tom R calls a “fiefdom” is actually a local community. One that acts in the mutual interest of everyone buy volunteering to protect its community members

Tom R probably isn’t familiar with the concept of doing things on a voluntary basis, time and a half is his going rate

is actually a local community

As I said, the ‘local community’ is not as it once was, and as that show on the abc showed, the volunteers are unable to respond to their new ‘local community, and paid firefighters are making it to save houses while the local volunteers haven’t even answered the call

So, not UNprecedented then?

Just so we can clear up some (perhaps) misunderstanding

WHO SAID THEY WERE!

(oops, caps locked 😉 )

Do you scuba dive too yomm?

Hows the GBR lookin’ to ya?

but you disparage them.

Actually, I’m disparaging a couple of loons who disagree, but cannot explain why.

Not sure you know if volunteer or not, and if it makes any difference.

lying on your deckchair watching others volunteering after a life spent making workplaces unsafe for people isn’t the moral high ground from which to preach, I’d say.

tossing Molotovs in hopes of garnering a few extra Victorian votes at a 2016 Federal election

Yea, and I’m the one playing politics

fer real yomm

https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/vffa-executive-council-representatives

Every one of them is “a rich prick”

No worries!!

I’m not really sure what that vffa (read, rich pricks who want to own the volunteer fire services) are trying to say there?

they want to protect their little fiefdoms

Got a link that identifies the “rich pricks” amongst them?

Didn’t you read the article? What they are saying is quite clear

And Qantas is 4th best airline in the world! With the world’s best lounges and the world’s best domestic service!

Yes, Alan Joyce has really screwed it up!

No, the “rich pricks” advocated a range of policies, some consistent with the retired firemen.

But they suggested that there are significantly more immediate and effective actions to manage the risk of bushfires, than a response to climate change.

How can argue with that? Certainly not the main spokesperson of the retired firemen. His comprehensive strategy is based on “taking the moral high ground”

Yes, that should reduce the bushfires and save lives, property, national parks and various kinds of animals

Extraordinary to hear Morrison Government defend failure to invest in more home care by saying the workforce isn’t there to support more packages. What excuse are they going to use next – the dog ate their homework? Here are the facts.

The retired firemen emphasised the carbon emissions,

They emphasized a range of things. Some nutjobs got upset because they used science to describe what is happening.

They simply had a broader approach than denial.

Do this research and you’ll get a hint about their main priority!

I’m not sure if you’ve followed much of this thread (or the previous), but I’ve actually put a little bit up in regards to this.

Ignoring the factor of climate means you are ignoring the reality of the fires. Which is precisely what the angry old men from the vffwhatever are doing

Is that what you want, to ignore a major contributing factor?

(or lack of it)

That’s it!

Correct: the angry old fire chiefs (un)covered all of that, and in detail, and more; whereas the (re)charge of the alt-hippies-on-lighthorses-brigade cobbled their superficial pseudo-science, particularly their notions about how that greenie ideology stuff about how carbon emissions ‘in 2030’ might affect all their (mis)calculations, together.

TomR

Do you agree with this?

https://logicmag.io/justice/austerity-is-an-algorithm/

The scandal’s origins date back to 2011, when the Australian Labor Party introduced a data-matching algorithm officially known as Online Compliance Intervention. Its purpose was to compare the earnings reported by welfare recipients to the social services agency Centrelink with the earnings reported to the Tax Office by their employers. Discrepancies would be investigated by Centrelink staff members, who would then decide whether to follow up with the recipient by letter or phone.
Things changed in December 2016, when the government announced that the system had undergone full automation. Humans would no longer investigate anomalies in earnings. Instead, debt notices would be automatically generated when inconsistencies were detected. The government’s rationale for automating the process was telling. “Our aim is to ensure that people get what they are entitled to—no more and no less,” read the press release. “And to crack down hard when people deliberately defraud the system.”
The result was a disaster.

I’ve no doubt that there will be no detail on exactly how reducing Australian emissions will reduce the risk of bushfires. Because there is no detail beyond-
*We’ll take the moral high ground
*We’ll help other countries
*We’ll show leadership

In the real world, the politicisation is disingenuous. No matter how much we cut emissions, there will be no discernible difference in the risk of bushfires.

There’s no moral high ground to be taken with the major emitters. Certainly it is exceptionally vain of Australia to imagine that China, USA, EU… or anyone else will change their policies as a result of our moral high ground.

Really TB? I think Tom R I’d quite capable of defending himself, an he said-

Tom R PERMALINK
November 26, 2019 8:45 am
I’m not really sure what that vffa (read, rich pricks who want to own the volunteer fire services) are trying to say there?

Perhaps if they supplied evidence that runs counter to the fire chiefs statement, that might have helped?

Perhaps your “compression bias” caused you to neglect to read what Tom R said

Aw ffs tosy, when it comes to coal generation, generation is usage. Doesn’t matter what happens after its generated, but the coals been used

That really is semantic bullshit

(It’s getting late.

Yes; I suppose it is far too late to bagsy a tea party conversation about fewer apples produced (under-/-over)filling a produced larger orange box, or vice versa, when the fruity word-salad is the cherry-on-top; especially with an indigestible glut of ‘natural gas’ backed-up in North America; and India sloooowly chowing down on Leakian solar panels, with or without chutney.)

“with or without chutney”

Perfectly put. It’s where we are here too, bickering over usage,production and capacity while the country burns.

That cartoon was pretty horrendous though, in cuntry well known for the horrendous.

Jeebus may have well wept, but the Satanic Mills are laughing

Not sure I get what you mean Tony?

😉

I don’t bring ’em here, honest.

ENABLER!

TomR

I don’t think you made a comment on this. Robodebt started in 2011

https://logicmag.io/justice/austerity-is-an-algorithm/

The scandal’s origins date back to 2011, when the Australian Labor Party introduced a data-matching algorithm officially known as Online Compliance Intervention. Its purpose was to compare the earnings reported by welfare recipients to the social services agency Centrelink with the earnings reported to the Tax Office by their employers. Discrepancies would be investigated by Centrelink staff members, who would then decide whether to follow up with the recipient by letter or phone.
Things changed in December 2016, when the government announced that the system had undergone full automation. Humans would no longer investigate anomalies in earnings. Instead, debt notices would be automatically generated when inconsistencies were detected. The government’s rationale for automating the process was telling. “Our aim is to ensure that people get what they are entitled to—no more and no less,” read the press release. “And to crack down hard when people deliberately defraud the system.”
The result was a disaster.

What other changes?? The ALP replaced manual checking with computers in 2011 BUT had human oversight of the computers results. That is what the Coalition removed in 2016. A change which most probably would have happened no matter who was in govt.

Sounds a little like the Terminator movie where human oversight was removed from Skynet.

But Robodebt started in 2011.

Simple question for a simple person nil

Did Labor ever robotically send out debts to people?

Did Labor ever robotically send out debts to people?

I changed my mind. I think the answer is yes. But Labor had humans check the result before the computer sent out the letter.

Humans do not write letters anymore.

So I see you have joined the chorus of saying the deaths were due to suicide. If Conservative Australia does not stand up to you liars who knows where we will end up

Death rate is 7.3/1,000

https://www.indexmundi.com/australia/death_rate.html

That means approx. 6,000 deaths in a population of 900,000.

And what is the likelihood of the 2,030 who died all 2,030 committed suicide?

(….who knows where we will end up….

Applying (derived) general epidemiological (mis)understandings to specific (vulnerable) populations, composed of particular persons; and still not quite grasping why the profound honesty of ‘Conservative Australia’ might be held in such high repute?)

Bit hard to prove the suicide link.

Not when it’s in the bloody suicide note, is it.

And I’m not “commenters at The Guardian ” so piss off with that shit

And yor reading tells you .. fuck all, cos you have no cognitive ability

But removing human checking in 2016 would have been the next step started in 2011

Except they didn’t, and they warned the current grubmint when they did

Because Labor never sent debts roboticallly, because they had the human oversight

So stop lying you stupid fool

nil, I’m not running around after you, because you ignore plain text, you ignore reality, and you ignore common sense.

nitey nite dopey

In other words you most probably have no links for your statements. I am going to believe this until proven otherwise from my earlier link. Robodebt started in 2011 and lefties mislead and deceive when they say it started in 2016

The scandal’s origins date back to 2011, when the Australian Labor Party introduced a data-matching algorithm officially known as Online Compliance Intervention. Its purpose was to compare the earnings reported by welfare recipients to the social services agency Centrelink with the earnings reported to the Tax Office by their employers. Discrepancies would be investigated by Centrelink staff members, who would then decide whether to follow up with the recipient by letter or phone.

OK when did income averaging start? You see I no longer believe anything a ALP supporter says because 90% of the time it is wrong.

Has income averaging got anything to do with data matching algorithm introduced in 2011? Robodebt started in 2011. It appears the problems started in 2016 when the Coalition removed human checking.

That is what I am going to believe until proven otherwise

Garnishee?? Garnishee?? Gee that sounds familiar.

Media Release:
New data matching to recover millions in welfare dollars
29 June 2011

https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20111114210628/http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/65939/20111115-0804/www.mhs.gov.au/media/media_releases/2011/06/29_june_2011_-_new_data_matching_to_recover_millions_in_welfare_dollars.html

Mr Shorten said the tax garnishee process had been carried out manually once a year for the past 15 years and involved a significant amount time on the part of the departmental officers.
“The automation of this process will free up resources and result in more people being referred to the tax garnishee process, retrieving more outstanding debt on behalf of taxpayers,” he said.
He said more than $27.5 million was recovered from over 43,000 former Centrelink customers’ tax refunds in the 2009/10 financial year through the tax garnishee process.

Lol reb, Operation Garrad

I didn’t know the context this afternoon 🙂

All they’ll find is nil

(Pretty sure that statement will turn out to be prophetic)

So the idiots on the opposition bench screech demands Angus Taylor due to a NSW Police Force investigation stepdown .

I didn’t hear the same idiots in Government when Gillard was under AFP investigation over her slush fund demand the same of their PM