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Scott Morrison call to Police Chief another example of Peak Smuggery

November 28, 2019
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Angus Taylor enjoys Question Time in Parliament

Scott Morrison never expected to become Prime Minister but he’s quickly settled into the role as if it’s his god-given right.

In the midst of an AFP investigation into one of his own ministers, someone with a bit of skin in the game would keep a safe distance from the controversy and offer some excuse along the lines of “allowing the law to take its course,” “inappropriate to make any comment while investigations are still underway.” That sort of thing.

Heck, back in the day, a minister facing such allegations would step aside while the investigations proceeded until a final conclusion, but not so in the Morrison government.

No, Scott Morrison simply picks up the phone for a neighbourly chat with the New South Wales Police Commissioner Mick Fuller ostensibly to uncover where there’s any truth to the allegations.

The fact that this didn’t even occur to Morrison as improper is just further evidence of his ineptitude in the top job.

Even his former mate (remember his loyalty: “I’m ambitious for him”) Malcom Turnbull took to the airwaves to state that “he wouldn’t have made that call.”

Morrison, by his sheer ignorance and stupidity has compromised the position of the NSW Police Commissioner and pinned himself to the mast of that other moron Angus Taylor.

I guess this is what happens when he’s clinging on to government with the slimmest of majorities but it’s the rest of us who suffer.

We deserve better than this shambolic shit pile of a so-called “government.”

 

 

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  1. November 28, 2019 9:52 am

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  2. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 9:53 am

    Watching our meejay pussy foot around him is embarrassing to the extreme

    What a bunch of cowed dogs they are

  3. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 10:24 am

    Are we running a sweeps on who’s taking the fall?

    That’s assuming the pigs find anything, which seems unlikely

    Commissioner Fuller said he hoped to have the investigation wrapped up next week.

    “To be honest with you, I actually don’t feel as though the allegations themselves are serious, in terms of the things that I would normally stand up and talk about the types of crimes,” he said.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-27/albanese-turnbull-criticise-morrison-over-fuller-taylor-call/11740174

    Seems it’s already decided. Obviously, strip searching young girls is far more fun than sleuthing after perpetrators of the criminal forgery of documents. It’s a no brainer really

    Fuck our pigs are Pigs

  4. November 28, 2019 11:42 am

    “To be honest with you, I actually don’t feel as though the allegations themselves are serious, in terms of the things that I would normally stand up and talk about the types of crimes,” he said.

    What’s a case of clear fraud between friends these days anyway…

    Nothing to see here, move along..

  5. November 28, 2019 11:46 am

    [David] Ipp, who served on the NSW court of appeal and as an Independent Commission Against Corruption commissioner, said the call was clearly not appropriate.

    He said it appears to have been made to aid Morrison’s party-political decision-making, rather than the interest of the state.

    “An ordinary citizen would not be able to get that information from the police … so what is it about the prime minister that entitles him to that information?” Ipp told Guardian Australia.

    “You can’t see that it’s information that relates to matters of state interest. It can only relate to matters of party interest. If it relates to matters of party interest then he’s using his influence as prime minister to try to obtain the information so that he can make the politically correct decision – that is, whether to keep Taylor or to fire him.

    “I don’t think that’s appropriate. It’s not appropriate.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/28/pms-phone-call-to-police-chief-an-inappropriate-attempt-to-use-position-former-top-judge-says?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  6. Tony permalink
    November 28, 2019 12:13 pm

    “I don’t think that’s appropriate. It’s not appropriate.”

    Well that settles it then. Ipp agrees with Turnbull who agrees with Labor.

  7. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2019 12:16 pm

    Has Jackie Tradd stood aside yet ?

  8. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 12:16 pm

    Ipp agrees with Turnbull who agrees with Labor.

    It’s almost like a …… consensus 😉

    (some would say commons sense, but hey, #auspol and all 😉 )

  9. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 1:05 pm

    I think your pretty fixated with ‘over there’ hey wally

    Apoligised for the Gillard slur yet, or you doing a morriscum?

  10. November 28, 2019 2:13 pm

    “Well that settles it then. Ipp agrees with Turnbull who agrees with Labor.”

    Oh I dunno..

    What would a former Commissioner of the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption and High Court Judge know about anything.

    I’d like to know what Chris Ulhmann thinks first.

  11. Tony permalink
    November 28, 2019 2:35 pm

    What would a former Commissioner of the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption and High Court Judge know about anything.

    He’d probably know if any laws have been broken, being a Fire Law Chief and all. So far he’s only opined on whether it’s ‘appropriate’.

  12. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 2:35 pm

    I’d like to know what Chris Ulhmann thinks first.

  13. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 2:46 pm

    So far he’s only opined on whether it’s ‘appropriate’.

    What was his opinion again Tony?

  14. Tony permalink
    November 28, 2019 2:55 pm

    What was his opinion again Tony?

    That ScoMo committed a crime against appropriateness? Or was it worse, a sin?

  15. ivi permalink
    November 28, 2019 2:55 pm

    (Another exculpatory letter from The Esteemed Brandis’s mum might help with clarifying the unprecedents. Incidentally, have the MSM explored if that was the only call Morrison et. al. made to a NSW public servant that day, on like matter, because there’s considerable back-chatter about Morrison’s premiere phonecall?)

  16. November 28, 2019 2:55 pm

    “What was his opinion again Tony?”

    Let me help out seein’ as ToSY is struggling to find the words…

    “It’s not appropriate.”

  17. November 28, 2019 3:09 pm

    Albo:

    “I refer to the Strike Force Garrad investigation and to a report that just before 2pm it has taken copies of correspondence and the metadata showing details of any alterations from the City of Sydney website relating to travel and the suggestions from the minister for emissions reduction. Has the government also provided all relevant emails, documents, text messages, phone records, data, metadata and encrypted messages to the New South Wales police and will it …”

    “How do you know that,” interjects Tim Wilson from the government backbench.

    Oh I don’t know? Perhaps because it is in the public domain?

    😆 😆 😆

  18. November 28, 2019 3:14 pm

    This is getting more interestinger by the minute….

    Taylor’s reliance on the altered document, made by an unknown person, raises possible offences under section 253 and section 254 of the NSW Crimes Act.

    These make it an offence for a person to make a false document with the intention of using it to inducing a person ( in this case the journalist from the Daily Telegraph) to influence a person in public office in the exercise of their duties.

    Inducing a person to accept the document as genuine is also an offence.

    Labor has also suggested there may be an offence under section 316 if Taylor or his office covered up the use of a false document.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/28/angus-taylor-controversy-city-of-sydney-reveals-it-has-data-logs-of-visits-to-website

  19. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 3:18 pm

    Labor has also suggested there may be an offence under section 316 if Taylor or his office covered up the use of a false document.

    I wonder why the cops called it “Strike Force Garrad” ROFL

    This is even dumber than #utegate

  20. November 28, 2019 4:08 pm

    But wait, there’s more…

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  21. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 4:13 pm

    And More lol

    David Shoebridge refers NSW police commissioner to integrity commission
    Our colleague Naaman Zhou has just spoken to David Shoebridge, who says he has referred Mick Fuller to the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission over the phone call with Scott Morrison regarding the Angus Taylor investigation.

    Shoeman is referring Fuller under s10 of the LECC act for serious misconduct

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2019/nov/28/morrison-albanese-coalition-medevac-taylor-politcs-live?page=with:block-5ddf50dd8f08dcf251b4a7f4#block-5ddf50dd8f08dcf251b4a7f4

  22. November 28, 2019 4:49 pm

    From Tom R’s link…

    “Commissioner Fuller either knew, or reasonably ought to have known, that Prime Minister Morrison and Minister Taylor were close political colleagues. Given this, it was highly inappropriate for Commissioner Fuller to be disclosing any details of the police investigation into Mr Taylor to Prime Minister Morrison.”

    Shoebridge also claimed there was a conflict of interest between Fuller and Morrison because of the “personal relationship” the pair have previously spoken of, and being neighbours (or bin-gate) which they now claim was a joke.

    LULZ…

  23. Tony permalink
    November 28, 2019 5:05 pm

    Uh oh.

    The consensus among people in the Canberra bubble deep thinkers of a certain political view seems to be that Morrison’s behaviour was “not appropriate”.

    However, that all looks insignificant now. Things just got real!

    Commissioner Fuller’s behaviour was … wait for it … “highly inappropriate”.

    Heads will roll.

  24. ivi permalink
    November 28, 2019 5:21 pm

    (Kinda redundant, now, but anyways….

    “It’s not appropriate.”

    I wish lawyer-types would use Plain English; it probably alludes to an improper purpose underlying a decision-maker’s exercise (and/or decision-makers’ exercises) of (otherwise) lawful powers, or abuse(s) of (position)al) power(s), or something(s) else best known to the arcana of administrative(-cum-criminal) law; or, more fundamentally, simply the administration of justice (sans political(ly-motivated) interference); but how’s the average Jo(e) Q. Citizen to know, and why should s/he even care, if a lawyer-type is going to mystify plain meaning and an Everyperson’s understanding with a convoluted, “it’s not appropriate”?

    Even worse, though, I suppose, would be that lawyer-type’s bizarrely spotlighting substantively a (deliberate) blindspot in the formal extant (and/or proposed) body of the law, such that Jo(e) Q. Citizen is impelled to (merely (not)) look at (and not (expect) act(ion) on) the ‘inappropriate’ behaviour(s) anywhere but ‘over there’,)

  25. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2019 5:33 pm

    “not appropriate” and “highly inappropriate”.

    Bugger that I raise you to “Unprecedented”

  26. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 5:36 pm

    -cum-criminal

    What’s Thom(p)son got to do with this?

  27. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2019 5:39 pm

    “Unprecedented” when we can Ensure Integrity because the Ensuring Integrity bill is voted down.

  28. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2019 5:42 pm

    “NSW Police refuse to deny PM Scott Morrison has interfered in the investigation into paedophile protecto…..””

    They have not refused to deny anything. They simply have yet to respond to an email sent at 1:33 pm this afternoon.

    You do realise that Shane Dowling was jailed for contempt of Court. The guy is a real piece of shit for his involvement in the Channel 7 saga.

    But if you want to refer to him………………….LOL

  29. ivi permalink
    November 29, 2019 1:42 am

    (“Unprecedented” when we can Ensure Integrity because the Ensuring Integrity bill is voted down.

    And having Ensured Integrity, let’s smugly announce to the BCA dindins-set an evinced intention to effect a raft of new integrity ensurance enhancers, under (de)regulatory guise of colourful tapes- and ribbons-cuttings, as subtly-sympatico sales-pitch for “the role of business is to do the bidding of business”, and ‘the role of government is to do the bidding of….’; not to mention the self-congratulations due a Good Government’s world-class digital performances, whether it’s the board-dom of oversighting Big Banking transactions or those little, everyday Services Australia deliveries.)

  30. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 8:33 am

    Some twitter stoopid for the mornings

    Just remember, this cums hot on the heels of this one 😉

    From Peter van IKnow Politicsalls lol

  31. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 8:42 am

    the role of government is to do the bidding of….

    The crosbench, by the looks of it 🙂

  32. November 29, 2019 9:04 am

    My #thoughtsandprayers are with YoM at this difficult time…. 😆 😆

    “Senior Government figures left reeling after a shock vote in the Senate harpooned their signature laws aimed at cracking down on unions.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-29/pauline-hanson-blindsides-coalitions-union-bursting-bid/11748346

  33. November 29, 2019 9:09 am

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  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2019 9:22 am

    It’s a bad day for the rule of law!

  35. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 9:29 am

    It’s a bad day for the rule of law!

    But a great day for the rule of what is right 😉

  36. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 9:45 am

    A great article on just how wrong, and inhuman, the robodebt scheme was (and probably still is)

    https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/21/robo-debt-and-denial-the-protocols-of-centrelink/

  37. November 29, 2019 10:10 am

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  38. Tony permalink
    November 29, 2019 10:44 am

    You people just don’t get the seriousness of what’s happening here.

    Yesterday Greens MP David Shoebridge called Commissioner Fuller’s behaviour “highly inappropriate” and referred him to the Law Enforcement Conduct Commission.

    Things have escalated again this morning. Labor MP Mark Butler just referred to the “deeply inappropriate” call made by the PM”. Deeply inappropriate! Just let that sink in for a minute.

    Shit just got even more real.

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2019 10:54 am

    So did unions raise the underpayment or is it the general community expectation of observing the law? You know things like awards and regulations.

    Unions just don’t have enough coverage to be effective and all the complaining by their barrackers won’t change that. Strong regulation and enforcement is required.

  40. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 10:54 am

    Bunnings reveals underpayment bill of $6.1 million

    Shit just got even more real.

  41. November 29, 2019 10:58 am

    “Strong regulation and enforcement is required.”

    Hear hear!

    In fact, I can think of 23 million reasons why I agree!

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2019 11:10 am

    A great article on just how wrong, and inhuman, the robodebt scheme was (and probably still is)

    Why should I believe anything U lefties say? Labor started something in 2011 which is never mentioned and Coalition made changes in 2016 which is the cause of the problems. But my experience is you mislead and deceive.

    For example it was stated that 2,030 people died after Coalition made changes in 2016. That then morphed into they died due to those notices. That then morphed into all 2,030 committed suicide due to those notices. Shocking if true.

    Turns out 900,000 were sent notices and of those 2,030 died. Guess what? That is a normal death rate for a population that size.

    You evil lefties are using dead bodies for political purposes so even if what you are saying is true that Robdebt started in 2016 why should I believe anything you say?

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2019 11:25 am

    Unions just don’t have enough coverage to be effective …

    That’s exactly what you and Tory governments want … its in your DNA … absolute control … and this statement proves the point … Strong regulation and enforcement is required.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2019 11:31 am

    Commissioner Fuller’s behaviour was … wait for it … “highly inappropriate”.

    Heads will roll.

    Great – I’ll just go and find my knitting … 😉

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2019 11:36 am

    Has Jackie Tradd stood aside yet ?

    Good point, Wally … I see we all agree on what is not appropriate …

    Mr Happy Clappy is the PM tho’ … more power more inappropriateness … the Legalese is an odd world …

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2019 11:49 am

    You’ll have to stop complaining about it TB, the ALP were in government for 2 terms and union density continued in free fall during their term.

    Most union officials are dinosaurs and self respecting people prefer not to be seen to associate with them.

    Unions only have themselves to blame – it’d the poor and irrelevant service they offer.

  47. November 29, 2019 12:05 pm

    “Unions only have themselves to blame – it’d the poor and irrelevant service they offer.”

    Like the Nurses Union ToM…?

  48. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 12:40 pm

    GOOD

    The Morrison government’s “robo-debt” bill could run to hundreds of millions of dollars, as it faces calls to provide welfare recipients with more information about how it will review old debt recovery decisions which relied on invalid methods.

    On Wednesday, in a landmark court case, the federal government admitted a key element of the beleaguered robo-debt system is unlawful. The admission follows last week’s news that the Morrison government would no longer rely solely on averaged income data from the tax office to raise debts, and would review hundreds of thousands of robo-debt cases.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-s-robo-debt-bill-could-run-to-hundreds-of-millions-after-landmark-case-20191128-p53ewl.html

  49. November 29, 2019 1:00 pm

    “In a landmark court case, the federal government admitted a key element of the beleaguered robo-debt system is unlawful.

    For ToSY…

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2019 1:21 pm

    The ANF is a fine union and us a model for others. They aren’t conflicted by political affiliation and provide a single focus on their members.

    They also respect the law.

  51. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 1:30 pm

    They also respect the law.

    Unlike the current grubmint

    Unprecedented

  52. Tony permalink
    November 29, 2019 1:34 pm

    unlawful.
    For ToSY…

    Fascinating.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2019 1:42 pm

    12 new submarines … first build 2024 … life expectation (ie maintenance) till 2080 (yeah?)

    Cost: $50 billion oops! $225 billion!

    Economic managers, hey?

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2019 2:15 pm

    “”GOOD”””

    Why? I am still not sure if Robodebt started in 2016 but if it did so what? Politicians are not that smart and usually follow Departmental advice. Computers are taking over more and more and some policy changes work and some don’t.

    But U lefties are so full of hate I never believe anything you say even if you are right. 2,030 people did not commit suicide because of Robodebt. 2,030 people died out of 900,000 who were sent notices. A normal death rate for a population that size.

    But you lefties are using dead bodies to score political points

  55. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 2:55 pm

    nil, the grubmint ignored departmental advice. They went ahead despite warnings. They deliberately victimized Australian citizens. They led some to suicide.

    There is simply no defending their sadistic policy

  56. November 29, 2019 3:08 pm

    “They led some to suicide.”

    But, but, but PINK BATTS….!!!!

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2019 3:11 pm

    If true so what?? Departmental advice is not right all the time. Coalition obviously disagreed with the Department if what you say is true. OK they got it wrong. Who hasn’t??

    You do not care about the so-called suicides. You are using them for political purposes. Do you have a link that they went against Departmental advice?

  58. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 3:21 pm

    Yea nil, back up the thread

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2019 3:29 pm

    Yeah it was stated that after Coalition made changes in 2016 there were 2,030 people who died. That was then changed to 2,030 people died because of the Robodebt notices. That then morphed into all 2,030 committed suicide. There were 900,000 notices sent and 2,030 people dying is a normal death rate for a population that size.

    How many suicides were there before 2016?

    You evil lefties are just using the deaths for political purposes. How you live with yourself is beyond me.

    And I still think Robodebt started in 2011

  60. November 29, 2019 3:36 pm

    “You evil lefties are just using the deaths for political purposes. How you live with yourself is beyond me.”

    I think you mean ‘yourselves’.

  61. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 4:10 pm

    I thought he meant your elves doh

    Did you mention something about pink batts reb?

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2019 4:25 pm

    TomR

    It is now going around on the interwebs that after the Coalition made changes in 2016, 2,030 people died. That then changed to those 2,030 people committed suicide due to the Coalition

    Notices were sent to 900,000 people and 2,030 people dying is a normal death rate for a population that size

    You just provide more evidence that you lefties mislead and deceive people

  63. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2019 5:15 pm

    It’s going around the internet that your a fuckwit nil.

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2019 5:25 pm

    Good. At least I am not called a deceiver like you are. U lefties mislead and deceive.

    It was started that 2,030 people died after the Coalition made changes in 2016. That then morphed into 2,030 people died due to Coalition policy. That then morphed into all 2,030 people committed suicide due to Coalition policy .

    900,000 people were sent notices and 2,030 died. A normal death rate for a population that size.

    Please do not expect me to believe anything you, TB of Queensland, REb, or anybody who votes LABOR. The most dishonest political party I have ever seen

  65. November 29, 2019 6:11 pm

    “It’s going around the internet that your a fuckwit nil.”

    I think you mean “you’re”..

    (I wouldn’t want to be accused of only correcting ‘some people’s grammar’..)

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2019 7:39 pm

    (I wouldn’t want to be accused of only correcting ‘some people’s grammar’..)

    So don’t be a fuckwit ToM … we understand typos, we’re not fuckwits … ToM makes up shit but do we correct him? Oh, wait!

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2019 7:44 pm

    Please do not expect me to believe anything you, TB of Queensland, REb, or anybody who votes LABOR. The most dishonest political party I have ever seen

    How many have you “seen” … Communist, Fascist, Catholic, Islam, Jehovah’s Witness, Republican, Conservative, One Nation, Clive Palmer … nuf TB!

    BTW what makes you think I vote Labor?

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2019 7:49 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/28/ice-sculpture-to-replace-boris-johnson-in-channel-4-climate-debate

    Sound familiar?

    One thing I noticed wandering around the world is that the right wing parties in Western countries sing from the same songbook! Labor/Labour/Democrats need to lift their international comms!

  69. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2019 9:15 pm

    nil, the grubmint ignored departmental advice. They went ahead despite warnings. They deliberately victimized Australian citizens. They led some to suicide.

    If true so what? Do you have a link for that?? At the moment I agree that the changes the Coalition made in 2016 have caused all the problems. Some new ideas work and some new ideas do not. So what?

    But 2030 people did die after Coalition changes in 2016 out of 900,000 people who received notices. A normal death rate for a population that size.

    But please give me a link that the Coalition ignored Departmental advice?

  70. Tony permalink
    November 29, 2019 9:48 pm

    Youse lefties might believe this if your favourite rag says it.

    China’s appetite for coal power returns despite climate pledge

    China’s growing appetite for new coal-fired power stations has outstripped plant closures in the rest of the world since the start of last year, data shows.

    Then again, you’ll probably just bag the writer.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/20/china-appetite-for-coal-power-stations-returns-despite-climate-pledge-capacity

  71. November 30, 2019 8:17 am

    Whoever wrote that has no idea what they’re on about.

  72. Tony permalink
    November 30, 2019 9:36 am

    🤣😂

  73. Tony permalink
    November 30, 2019 2:51 pm

    World’s second largest economy and largest emitter of carbon dioxide takes moral high ground wags finger and demands money from other developed countries.

    CHINA on Wednesday accused developed countries, including the US, of doing too little to curb global warming, ahead of a UN summit discussing controversial issues including climate compensation.

    China is the world’s second-largest economy and the biggest emitter of carbon dioxide, but has repeatedly argued that developed nations should lead on tackling international climate obligations.

    Mr Zhao called for developed countries to honour financial commitments including providing US$100 billion to poorer states harmed by climate change.

    The US$100 billion – which China has said it is entitled to part of – was a non-binding accompaniment to the Paris Agreement, and was the annual amount that rich countries pledged to muster by 2020.

    Beijing said on Wednesday it had reduced carbon emissions intensity by 45 per cent between 2005 and 2018. But China’s absolute carbon emissions have continued to rise, according to Tuesday’s UN report.

    A separate study earlier this month warned that Beijing’s planned coal powerplants were equivalent to all of the EU’s current generating capacity.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2019 4:13 pm

    If only we could take the moral high ground, I’m sure China would cancel all those power stations

  75. ivi permalink
    November 30, 2019 5:18 pm

    (Whoever wrote that has no idea what they’re on about.

    Prolly the same person who occasionally writes about highly-populated Ghost Cities lit-up like Xmas trees. Or, someone who now accepts that guns don’t kill people, people kill people; and they’ve reached that epiphany ‘testing’ their appetite for risk in a game of Russian roulette ‘at capacity’.)

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2019 9:41 pm

    Prolly the same person who occasionally …

    That comment is (while a little less subtle than usual) probably lost on certain commenters here … V

    I feel ya pain!

    If only we could take the moral high ground,…

    Ya have a choice, bro … take the “moral high ground” or BURN IN HELL!

  77. Tony permalink
    November 30, 2019 10:27 pm

    Yeah, whatever.🙄

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2019 11:30 am

    House prices surge (apparently)

    I’m comfortable to have steady prices, even though that’s often regarded as an indicator of a slow economy.

    But I’m also fine with an economy that is only growing slowly. That’s a sign of changing community sentiments about consumption.

    It is reasonable to suggest that concern about emissions and climate will have an effect on consumption. There seems to be a more frugal mindset these days, and that’s a good thing.

  79. December 2, 2019 12:10 pm

    Hard not to disagree..

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  80. December 2, 2019 12:13 pm

    “I’m also fine with an economy that is only growing slowly. That’s a sign of changing community sentiments about consumption.

    It is reasonable to suggest that concern about emissions and climate will have an effect on consumption. There seems to be a more frugal mindset these days, and that’s a good thing.”

    OMG! I actually agree with YoM!

    I’d also suggest that the fact that ppl have massive mortgages and zero wages growth means they NF money to buy anything else with anyway…

  81. Tony permalink
    December 2, 2019 12:46 pm

    Hard not to disagree..

    That’s kind of a double negative – not sure if that’s what you meant.

    However … I actually agree with Van Badham! WTF is happening here?

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2019 1:49 pm

    Yes, it’s difficult to think of consumer products that don’t contribute to emissions, and most people give (at least) some consideration to the environment in their spending behaviour

    So low growth is likely to be a permanent feature of the economy.

  83. December 2, 2019 2:59 pm

    “That’s kind of a double negative – not sure if that’s what you meant.”

    You’re quite right. I actually meant I agree with her too. 😯

  84. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2019 6:06 pm

    Ah, I get it, the libs didn’t run the economy into the ground, its the jolly ockers natural empathy with the environment wots dun it.

    Trouble is, the greedy fucken ocker wpuld probably agree with you as he cranks the aircon up and opens the windows so it’s a bit cooler sitting outside on his concrete patio

  85. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2019 6:07 pm

    IAgree!! With all the agreements

  86. Tony permalink
    December 2, 2019 6:40 pm

    U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said Sunday that the world’s efforts to stop climate change have been “utterly inadequate” so far and there is a danger global warming could pass the “point of no return.” … He noted that the world has the scientific knowledge and the technical means to limit global warming, but “what is lacking is political will.”

    “The point of no return is no longer over the horizon,” Guterres told reporters in the Spanish capital. “It is in sight and hurtling toward us.”

    Fine. Let’s plan for that then. I’m pretty sure with our proven levels of ingenuity we humans can adapt to a few degrees of warming. (Who knows, it might even be beneficial in some regions.) Then we can stop scaring children and start planning for the new normal.

    https://time.com/5742006/united-nations-climate-change-conference/

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2019 7:15 pm

    Then we can stop scaring children and start planning for the new normal.

    Brisbane has been covered in smoke for a month … all we hear about is Syddelley!

    I’ve never seen it like this … we had a smattering of rain and a couple of lightning/thunderclaps yesterday … flashbangs would cause more rain …

    Don’t insult children’s intelligence and knowledge far more than your cynicism …

    If we don’t do anything … it will get worse …

    If we do something … it might get better …

    It’s like any human serious disease … leave it alone and it will spread … take steps to manage it and it might improve …

    BTW, ToSY, I doubt it will affect me personally … (as you often point out) … but it will affect my kids and grand-kids … and my friends’ kids and grand-kids … mortality …

    Complacency sank the Titanic …

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/01/scientists-theory-of-climates-titanic-moment-the-tip-of-a-mathematical-iceberg

    Complacency led to WWII …

    Complacency led to the GFC …

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2019 7:18 pm

    How do these lying pricks (acknowledgement PH) get to sit in Parliament … “littlelone” become a Minister!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/02/naomi-wolf-accuses-angus-taylor-antisemitism-false-claim-about-oxford-university

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2019 7:23 pm

    Peter Fitzsimons is the left’s version of Alan Jones

    BS … Fitzimons can write a sentence coherently … and actually researches before he writes of open his mouth …

    And Fitsimons is clever enough to be a Republican!

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2019 7:41 pm

    And the shyte keeps coming!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/12/02/woolies-wage-theft-class-action/

    Good government means looking after ALL Australians … this is what happens when the “economic managers” dismiss thousands of public servants, remove decades of regulations, attack the workers’ voices UNIONS Boo! and lie cheat and deceive voters …

    If this government doesn’t want people on the streets … they need to get off their arses and listen … educate themselves … and take some REAL action … this country is on a slippery slope to a big, deep, black pit of misery!

    One of the richest countries in the world … and we are stuffed!

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2019 7:44 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/one-step-closer-to-disaster-photo-reveals-chinas-bold-land-grab/news-story/dd618b96f496d1278fa451b4ba765a95

    The Federal Government needs to learn how to play Age of Empires … they can use computers?

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2019 7:55 pm

    educate themselves … and take some REAL action … this country is on a slippery slope to a big, deep, black pit of misery!

    What is your solution TB?? Spend more money? Don’t tell me Labor is the solution because it is not. Nothing bad happened from 1983-1996??

    And speaking of lying and deceiving voters, in 2007 Rudd/ALP promised a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. It NEVER got off the ground but was thrown into the bin. It was one of the biggest lies EVER to win an election

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2019 8:11 pm

    its the jolly ockers natural empathy with the environment wots dun it.

    Yes, but I’d be interested to know what type of consumption doesn’t produce emissions.

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2019 8:18 pm

    One of the richest countries in the world … and we are stuffed!

    Really TB, you’re such a pessimist. We have reasonably low unemployment, low inflation, there is economic growth, even though It’s low. We’re a long way from “stuffed”

    Stuffed is when we have >10% unemployment and >10% inflation

    Have you forgotten those days?
    ————-
    Everything Fitzsimmons does is for self promotion, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him wandering around with a billboard. He’s
    *Arrogant
    *A bully
    *A loudmouth
    *A fake

    Yes, much like Alan Jones (who incidentally, has never had an audience in civilised Melbourne)

  95. December 2, 2019 8:19 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  96. December 2, 2019 8:20 pm

    “Everything Fitzsimmons does is for self promotion”

    What sort of nuff nuff wears a red bandana..?

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2019 8:30 pm

    Yes unemployment at 5.3% is lower than anytime from 1983-1996. It was at 11% when Keating became PM. Times are tough but they always are.

    What I am worried about is what do we do when the next GFC hits? Deficit spend?? Recessions seem to happen every 15-20 years or so

  98. Tony permalink
    December 2, 2019 8:32 pm

    What sort of nuff nuff wears a red bandana..?

    I’d assumed he was a Blood. The fact that he’s .an ageing white man living in inner city Sydney didn’t even cross my mind

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2019 8:44 pm

    I think the red bandana would be more effective, and popular, if he wore it across his mouth.

  100. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2019 10:33 pm

    Yea reb, watching farmers abusing the nats for destroying the mdbp is kinda bitter sweet

    Dumbasses the lot of them

  101. Tony permalink
    December 3, 2019 9:54 am

    Saint Greta blesses us with the truth about ‘climate crisis’.

    On the next two Fridays, we will again take to the streets … That action must be powerful and wide-ranging. After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities … Collective action works; we have proved that. But to change everything, we need everyone.

    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/climate-strikes-un-conference-madrid-by-greta-thunberg-et-al-2019-11

  102. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2019 10:21 am

    lol, tony crabbott is visiting convicted pedophiles with his best wishes (remember how he didn’t waste his time with people like Bernie Banton, only real victims will he see), and grown men (allegedly ) are being spooked by a little girl in pony tails.

    Gotta luv the conservative mindset 😉

  103. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2019 10:23 am

    Labour productivity in Australia has fallen for the first time in 25 years, raising serious concerns about what economic reforms are in place to improve the productivity of workers.

    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/labor-productivity-falls-for-the-first-time-in-25-years-abs-20191202-p53fzw

    Obviously they are not paying them little enough already

    Love the way the heading is ‘Labor” productivity. lol

  104. Tony permalink
    December 3, 2019 10:45 am

    grown men (allegedly ) are being spooked by a little girl in pony tails.
    Gotta luv the conservative mindset 😉

    Typical. Don’t address what was said in the article. Attack the mindset of those questioning it.

    By the way, two of the three authors of that article are adults.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luisa_Neubauer

    https://www.efe.com/efe/english/destacada/young-women-lead-climate-fight-in-latin-america/50000261-4084791

  105. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2019 10:50 am

    Attack the mindset of those questioning it.

    BOO!

  106. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2019 11:10 am

    “…….and grown men (allegedly ) are being spooked by a little girl in pony tails.”

    Yes the blokes at the UN really do need to get a grip dont they ?

  107. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2019 11:14 am

    “Brisbane has been covered in smoke for a month … all we hear about is Syddelley!…””

    So what ?

    Back in I think it was 2003 ash was falling from the sky in Sydney. So smoke and ash was the combination.

    For this year to just get smoke and without the ash is really UNPRECEDENTED.

  108. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2019 11:23 am

    UNPRECEDENTED

  109. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2019 11:49 am

    Is that the best you can do ?

    Reference individuals whose entire lifestyle/job/career depends on future government funding which will only come if they ramp up the “dangers”.

    How about some independent references next time ?

  110. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2019 12:20 pm

    How about some independent references next time ?

    Greta said it too 😉

    BOO!

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2019 12:50 pm

    Why are people who disagree with something called protesters?

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2019 12:51 pm

    Should it be detesters?

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2019 12:55 pm

    the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it.

    That’s interesting. They must be targeting China because they meet each criterion

  114. December 3, 2019 1:14 pm

    “How about some independent references next time ?”

    What, like Alan Jones….?? 😆

  115. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2019 1:21 pm

    What, like Alan Jones….?

    Because professionals in the field are ‘paid for’ because …… they are ‘Professionals’

    [facepalm]

  116. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 3, 2019 1:31 pm

    According to Tudge it was Labor who introduced data matching between Centrelink and the ATO. And it looks like Robodebt started in 2011 when Labor replaced humans with computers to do the data matching to save money

    https://www.openaustralia.org.au/debates/?id=2017-02-08.82.2

    This data-matching between Centrelink information and Australian Taxation Office information actually originated back in 1990, when Graham Richardson introduced what is called the Data-matching Program (Assistance and Tax) Act. That is when the process started. Since that time, essentially the same methodology has been used, where that information is compared and, where there is a discrepancy, a request is made of the recipient to explain that discrepancy. If they can, that is the end of the story. If they cannot, a debt may be raised against that person.
    In 2011 it was actually the Labor Party, again, who introduced some sort of automation into the system. Indeed, the now Leader of the Opposition and the Deputy Leader of the Opposition were the two people in charge of introducing some form of automation into the system. Then in the 2015-16 budget we decided that we would expand the system to cover more people, and consequently my department has been implementing that system since. But I stress that the methodology which is being used to compare the Centrelink information with the Australian Taxation Office information is essentially the same that has always been the case.

  117. December 3, 2019 1:34 pm

    Neil can you fuck off with the robotdebt thing FFS enough already.

  118. Tony permalink
    December 3, 2019 2:51 pm

    Apologies in advance for the following on-topic comment:

    NSW police chief annoyed over ‘diversions’

    The NSW police commissioner described a referral to him about Energy Minister Angus Taylor as yet another “great diverter of my time” … “He said that matters like the one that was referred by the shadow attorney-general are, in his words, ‘a great diverter of my time’.”

    Mr Porter condemned Mr Dreyfus over a series of referrals to police in regard to coalition members.

    “What has come of those referrals? Absolutely nothing.”

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/ag-present-for-call-to-nsw-police-chief/news-story/f5b180c248e96cc3788480f48ac8d6a2

  119. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2019 2:57 pm

    Yea, cos seeing how a minister of the crown ended up leaking a forged document to the press to try and get his wife onto the council is not as important as strip searching young girls

    That’s almost as dumb as nil

  120. Tony permalink
    December 3, 2019 3:06 pm

    Yea, cos seeing how a minister of the crown ended up leaking a forged document to the press to try and get his wife onto the council is not as important as strip searching young girls
    That’s almost as dumb as nil

    What the fuck are you even talking about? For someone who is the self-appointed arbiter of who or what is dumb, you do speak a load of shit at times.

  121. ivi permalink
    December 3, 2019 3:55 pm

    (Move on: absolutely nothing to see, here.)

  122. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2019 4:01 pm

    What the fuck are you even talking about?

    I thought it was clear

    angus used an (allegedly (lol)) forged document to try and embarrass the Mayor of Sydney in the press.

    angusses wife wants to get on the Sydney council

    The police dude would rather be strip searching young girls

    I thought it was pretty clear?

  123. Tony permalink
    December 3, 2019 4:07 pm

    It’s still murky, but clearer. The first point I know about – it’s under investigation. The second is news (to me) but I’ll take your word for it.

    The third, however, I’ll need to insist on a link. The police commissioner is strip searching young girls? Really?

  124. Tony permalink
    December 3, 2019 4:28 pm

    Yes, that’s a link all right. But it certainly doesn’t support your assertion that “The police dude would rather be strip searching young girls”.

    You’re just wasting my time and energy.

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